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00:00:00 ◼   ► well as it happens I'm on my way up to the moon [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► are you by any chance going up you're basically yes as a matter of fact I am [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► it is there any particular reason why you ask [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► well I hope you don't think I'm too inquisitive but perhaps you can clear up [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► the mystery about what's going on I'm sorry but I'm not sure I know what you [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► mean [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► well it's just for the past two weeks there have been some extremely odd [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► things happening at Clearview clearly yes well for one thing whenever you [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► phone the base all you get is recording which repeat the phone lines are [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► temporarily out of order [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► well I suppose they've been having a bit of trouble with some of the equipment [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► yes well at first we thought that was the expertise has been going on for the [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► past 10 days you mean you haven't been able to get any one of the base for 10 [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► days that's right I see two days ago when a rocket buses was denied [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► permission for an emergency landing at previous how did they manage to do that [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► without any communication previous Control came on the air just long enough [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► to transmit their refusal well that does sound very odd I'm afraid there's going [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► to be a bit of a row about it [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► denying them in permission to land was a direct violation of the IAS convention [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► and yes well I hope the crew got back safely [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► fortunately they did well I'm glad about that doctor at the region impressing you [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► an appointment reticent to discuss may I ask you a straightforward question [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► certainly quite frankly we have some very reliable intelligence reports that [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► a quite serious epidemic has broken out at Clearview something apparently of an [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► unknown origin is this in fact what has happened I'm sorry doctor smiles love [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► but I'm really not at liberty to discuss this epidemic could you please bring to [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► our based we should be given all the facts are just my life and not permitted [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► to discuss this [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► so I'm here in Chicago who are partners world headquarters with my good friend [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► Jim Kudal jim welcome thank you [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► last night we went to see a screening of 2001 a Space Odyssey the Music Box [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► Theatre Music Box Theatre seventy millimeter print a couple years ago we [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► were there there was a new a new printer this movie that came out and we thought [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► we were going to go see it was a different folder sort of scratched up [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► seventeen we were gonna go we went through the what are our dinner at Ohio [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► State University because we had heard that they had the new print and as soon [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► as it was sold out it was great to see it projected large but as soon as it [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► started rolling there is a ticking artifact the left side channel of the [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► audio in the first section of the film as soon as we heard that taking we knew [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► that we were watching that same old print so if you go to see 2001 in [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► seventy millimeter premium know you got the rape women the picture is absolutely [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► gorgeous and there's no crazy audio thing on the list right and in addition [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► to the fact that we didn't have any audio error last night there was a [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► digital audio right thing was not the the analog audio decided that we were [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► lucky enough to meet to chat with the projectionist last night during [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► intermission how's that your mission in a film so called and he said that [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► originally the seventy million prints were released with an optical audio [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► track that ran alongside the picture and that after that they used a strip of MAG [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► like magnetic tape that ran along picture but then now all that's a long [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► time to pictures time code and its slaves basically a CD player which has [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► all the digital audio life so [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► but you know even though the audit was perfectly clear it is an old track and I [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► believe that it's mono and I also know we also noticed that there's very little [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► bottom and they're very little based on the track and I think that's probably [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► true of most of the films of that era we're sort of spoiled now by you know [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► transformers and everything else these chest-thumping subwoofer later exactly [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► exactly although it did sound great and they did it again no bottom and it was [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► no bueno had been based in addition to a truly truly magnificent picture quality [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► and sounded great [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► yeah it was you know I see my father took me to see 2001 I can't figure out [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► exactly what it was but it was soon after came out I would put me about [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► eight years old so little girl died but and I remember being enthralled and [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► confused by the film but this was certainly the best representation of [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► film I've ever seen and we were sitting in the second row and that was the right [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► place to be for house family can I think the film film has been part of a seventy [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► millimeter festival that they're running and I think every seat for every show [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► sold out right away pretty cool so I don't think anybody who ever go see this [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► movie you come out of it and you do exactly what I was saying I'm not gonna [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► do we start talking about whether we were with my 12 year old line yesterday [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► so we couldn't help his first question is what I actually like I really thought [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► that Spencer had a truly fabulous interpretation of the last shot of the [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► movie which is that it [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► Superman floating over the earth and I know he was kinda half joking but I [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► actually think that you know that to me is the basic gist of the story as I see [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► it yes [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► is that four million years ago whoever these whoever this is with behind the [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► mindless used to model it turn our ape-like ancestors in the men that junk [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► how do we turn from apes two men it was with their help and mom and that now [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► four million years later through the same people's help Dave Bowman has [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► become the first whatever's next after us going from humans to whichever is [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► greater than humans day bowman's the first one is yes and I don't think [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► Spencer is a person with that theory but that's the best I can make of either you [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► know it the more I learn about the film and the more I see it the less I care [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► about what the actual specific meaning of that last reel of film is you know it [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► takes it so interesting me all the details in the middle section of the [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► Jupiter discovery section all the details of everything takes forever and [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► it's you see every little bit of everything and then we make a huge job [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► you know obviously the most famous caught in cinema history between the [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► bone in the spaceship and I jump and then you know jumped on that flits can [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► acid-induced sort of color sex and it really is right there's these two [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► fantastic believes in the movie there's the one where you did jump cut from four [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► million years ago to 40 years in the future I mean I still think of it as the [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► future you know it's eleven years after right but over the past 12 years now but [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► then that last real is another jump like that where I mean who knows when or [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► where you are but the other thing that really strike struck me last night I [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► mean I again is super obvious but up until that last real up until you that [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► this lips skin [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► I I think of it like I always thought he was going through hyperspace or [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► something that's where he's going to wherever the people who made the model [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► are right but at that moment the movie shifts from two hours or so [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► being extremely almost identically scientific like both in from the caveman [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► stuff through the space stuff you know this sort of almost extraordinary [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► precision and an attempt to do everything as realistically as possible [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► to a final reel which every single second of it who knows if anybody's even [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► realize it completely and there is an embodiment ad is it the wormhole fruit [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► basis it you know [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► centers other theory was when the very old man wakes up in the end he said it [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► was all a dream [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► sort of a conventional hollywood way to approach it if you have a chance to see [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► this print and we understand that this will be the print that circulate [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► circulating so I would certainly encourage you to have a chance to see it [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► to see it it the first time I ever saw the film where things started to feel [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► and I don't mean that like as an insult to the film obviously it's special [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► effects and it's from 1968 but the you mentioned last night I think the same [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► thing the 3d model stuff like of the discovery still holds up really well but [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► some of the scenes are actually 2d photo realistic paintings or photographs that [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► are moved across another 2d surface and the fidelity of the picture [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► last night it was a little bit put the light of it looked flat yeah not bad [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► glad so it sort of is sort of interesting to see a projected that such [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► a different thing than to see even the DVD on your big screen flat screen at [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► home whenever so and some of the stuff honestly I really don't think that it's [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► just me being there Norma's fan of the movie special effects seemed still look [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► as good as anything you ever gonna see because it looks absolutely real there's [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► some shots where the camera is sort of stationary and space outer space and the [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► discovery is passing over it and it it looks and only you can never be [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► surpassed because it really looks like what it would look like if you put a [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► seventy millimeter camera in outer space [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► a real discovery and fluid over the camera and every fly by the camera of [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► every space ship since 1968 owes its existence to that particular opening [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► scene and a lot of the interiors opening scene of the discovery of the Jupiter [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► sex in the interiors really hold up like just remarkably well just in terms of [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► does that feel like it this could be a real pod bay station starship and it [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► just feels absolutely we can actually focus wardrobe is sort of right back in [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► style right now everything is like very contemporary yeah I do you know I guess [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► we gotta get on them to to Barry Lyndon extremely I would be there would be a [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► great pic cuz I that's another member I would just love to see it on the big [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► screen of all of the other films I think that would be the one just talking about [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► seeing a projected that would be the next protected [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► I was at that Kubrick exhibit in Amsterdam and that just sort of [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► interesting it's now in LA and I and it seemed as if they had this big space at [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► the new film museum right on the water they're really rebuilding and it each [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► the space was divided up by the movie so there was one section that was dr. [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► Strangelove and it was another section of was 2001 and there was another [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► section that was passed but that really cool thing was they were showing a [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► projection of long sequences from the film on large screens in each of the [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► sections but the sections of the exhibit were not separated from each other so [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► while you were watching Alex in clockwork you could hear how the other [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► side of the room and you could hear work in monthly talking to the russian Prime [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► premier from strangelove it had it was like your head it was like the net [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► effect of it was like maybe what it might have been to be like you because [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► you had all these ideas floating around in your head and one time there's a [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► great app for that exhibit two videos de VC nao yeah and it's got two photos I've [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► never never seen anywhere before that impacts photos are in that episode even [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► in the exhibit interests yes anybody out there is an interesting Kubrick and if [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► you're not you're probably already stopped the podcast [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► you gotta go to the Apple App Store just search for Kubrick and I think that's [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► actually just the name of the app can you but it's it's like a great people [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► get really coffee-table book is really there is another thing just a random [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► thing that stuck out to me I said I mentioned this to you last night after [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► the film but I'd never thought about it before but it really stuck out to me was [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► in the caveman sequence in the pre-history sequence there's a scene [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► where a cheetah is up on like a liberal little small cliff above the the tribe [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► and pounces on the tax one of the tribes people [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► and I don't know how they shot that because I realized it's and it wasn't [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► all my stuff you know with cuts it was like 11 shot I believe I think you when [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► it jumped a cut when the Tigers jumped and then the rest of it is just hold on [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► a shot I got kind of a long shot of guy guy but he's never been fighting a [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► cheetah and and everybody knows that there was it was people in suits doing [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► so they have like a guy in a suit fighting against the front projector [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► glass screen showing the go hard desert like and you know I noticed it seemed to [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► but not do it didn't occur to me i guess im so immune to Hollywood special [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► effects you know they just one of the Oscar nominated films as a boy the tiger [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► in a boat for god sakes maybe it didn't occur to me that that can't actually [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► attacking that guy but the thing that it could mean that Sheen is that the color [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► correction was often its relative to the scenes before and after it and it made [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► me so I can see this movie too many times but it made me think I bet I bet [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► they only got that once like the only got the action they wanted once and [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► maybe the lighting was incorrect but the fact was that they needed the action so [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► they had to do what they could with the color correction to make it sort of fit [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► with the scene that came before and after I i agree with that they were [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► there is something off about the lady I love to see where the leopard turns into [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► the camera and the front projection light is reflected in his eyes from you [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► that's like which probably wouldn't happen in need to know in a way let's [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► talk about one other thing is to see a lot of see that you've got a good big [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► laughs in the movie always gets a big laugh when you see the movie it's the [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► zero-gravity toilet instructions right on the pan-am shuttle yeah that's the [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► way it would put it on ya that he's going to the spaces [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► species and its like paragraphs and paragraphs of text and I believe it's [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► all real texas not late lorem ipsum dolar and that comes up and he he would [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► put looking at it he's like puzzled by it and I sort of think that that scene [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► is like maybe only seen the film that actually doesn't fit that actually [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► they're just as again because as you said he's been he's been flying around [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► the galaxy for a long time he's been on the ship before I if I'm hard to believe [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► he had had to go to the bathroom before right and secondly if everyone who ever [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► flew on these ships used a zero-gravity toilet with they have to have like all [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► of these instruction me it's clearly a joke for the contemporary audience [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► watching the film which is really very little of that is that the stewardesses [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► I think all mister discuss their not really played it to write a stewardess [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► shoes which have some velcro on the bottom to keep her from to allow her to [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► walk in zero gravity [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► it's a grip shoes on the side and for me that and it looked cool its own sake of [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► the gate is looking thing but to me that was another thing like thing for the [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► audience because if everybody wore those shoes you wouldn't put groups you it [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► doesn't stay tennis shoes I'm going to get my shoes you know it doesn't you [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► know like so it was sort of a way to give out to scientific information was [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► almost as though they they did like it was almost the equivalent of putting a [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► graphic on-screen within our oh you know like a pop up ground that like labels it [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► explains it or like you do in you know like some kind of folks will will [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► explain [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► Lake like your dick tracey comics Road withdraw like a little arrow to his [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► watch and say to a wrist radio writer as well as proof of how smart we are about [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► the future you know and I do kinda miss Panama now after seeing it again you [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► know is there any more pain a merely they were gonna be the ones that made it [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► to the major but they didn't yes we we don't really do that is still good right [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► it was my belly and what it was but many interesting great time I do I so many [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► scenes that I love but did the CNN help to me is one of my favorites so when we [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► do what we did a reader here for the opening and there's something about the [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► way that the guy who plays Haywood Lloyd I don't know I know he's never been [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► anything but he's he's so deadpan in terms of obviously knows but he's not [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► under plane is not overplaying it is just dont face about it and he's not you [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► know he's not tight-lipped about it really seems like exactly the sort of [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► guy who you want and the government to trust with the single greatest secret [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► the government ever had [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► yeah it really does seem like the perfect guy yeah and then he does the [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► presentation later he doesn't really say anything to anyone right you know he's a [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► perfect government trying to figure they still really the only guy who knows what [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► the hell is going on even in the presentation yeah yeah right [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► yeah he's just trying to keep them in line right sort of they get it's almost [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► like just like a formality like it just just just good manners I'm not gonna not [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► address you but I'm not going to tell you anything we need to address it right [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► you have to keep up the charade epidemic but it's a beautiful kubrick in thing [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► too is that you she said that the scene was myself in the Hilton and he end and [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► the end of that scene that we just kind of went through is where he [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► he accuses void of hiding the fact that they're just happened to mechanically [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► base and then later he makes the presentation and he talked about what's [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► going on the basis of the end of the presentation shows and that's why it's [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► so important that we keep up the appearance of an epidemic and base so at [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► the moment when we first saw Floyd we didn't know why he thought about this [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► idea of an epidemic and later we find out what a cool caddy is because she's [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► orchestrated this entire cover story it's good [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► exposition Bay Cuba because we know as little as the people in this scene we [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► are like the russians in the first scene and in the second thing of the [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► presentation we are like the ignorant other officials from the garage area so [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► it's nice we learn as characters in the film learn sort of like David hey we've [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► got one over on us too and then there's the you pointed out that on the next [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► shuttle the smaller one that goes from the space station to cuevas where [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► they're wearing actually gotten on suits [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► sandwiches and the guys I great presentation yeah you really fucked up [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► the true but he didn't do anything unless for some authors beachy gave that [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► we didn't see i dont well maybe but I don't think I think it was in reference [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► to that presentation and I think he was just trying to be complementary to [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► clearly you know to the highest-ranking guy that he's he's probably ever gonna [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► encounters yeah but that guy you what was going on right now is one of the [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► guys at Clearview so they clearly the two people who aren't a fan of the movie [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► the well they certainly would have hit pause by now read the complaint and it's [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► really is that the film is tedious its TV is deliberately that [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► racial there's yeah there's there's extended sequences of people doing truly [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► mundane things and the point of it it's almost like a deliberation on what the [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► mundane aspects of the future going to be almost like a painstakingly detailed [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► we've thought of every single thing we're gonna show it to you yeah and it [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► in the pacing of it it doesn't always puts me in a certain mindset where it [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► doesn't Jones me out yeah and and dads and moms breathing through the whole [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► thing has sort of the Zen sort of a quantity quality too late when he opens [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► please give you the explosive bolts to get back into the discovery when he [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► opened that hand crank door it takes for ever like he just turned it in turns it [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► in turns it and turned it and we're waiting we're waiting we're waiting in [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► the tension is building and building a billion it's just beautiful the whole [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► film as I mean the whole middle section at film is the most anti science fiction [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► science fiction film ever made [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► there's like in the time it took him to open that door in most science fiction [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► films civilizations will have borne lived and died in the same time it took [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► to open the door to new generations of weapons will be countered that weapons [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► it would have been shown to 10 minutes ago exactly it is a movie but it's [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► alright movie is now is a lot different than it was in 1968 and most of them [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► over everything I would say one of the little ideas about it is that it's it's [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► a g-rated movie and surely the only G-rated movies Stanley Kubrick ever made [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► yeah which i think is a little weird because I just seems to me like a [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► murderous robot may BPG already I mean 44 people get murdered yeah including [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► Frank pool who'd I think kind of gives more [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► nerd and one of the most terrifying ways imaginable I mean it's maybe even worse [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► than drowning right just to be in a suit knowing that you've been cut you know he [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► had a couple seconds there before he died revenue while going to die and I'm [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► gonna float away into truly oblivion and of course the actual act expires on [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► screen right [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► spent their time can be spent his time shows every little detail of every [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► little thing except for the most crucial moment and that really the film that [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► happens offering frame and the murder of the three crew members who are [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► hibernating hibernating is is something to yeah I did it was a murderers row but [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► it would have been PG-thirteen but it's a dream it's a little difficult right [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► and I do think that might be why they see it that way because how physical [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► instantiation isn't a robot isn't that a humanoid types III PLO thing is really [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► just a presence on the ship camera that you know he's a series of red cameras at [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► a voice like you know if you want to think about it is almost like he's the [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► ship right yeah it's like when we think of being killed by machines generally we [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► made in the marching at us with lasers you know what I mean not turning off the [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► power to our hibernation and that whole as that whole sequence after how kills [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► Frank pool and his body is going out into oblivion [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► what Dave Bowman does then is never explained he doesn't say anything cuz he [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► did only person he would talk to would be how many clearing those against it [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► seems realistic to me it seems you know but it's also seems like unlike most [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► hollywood movies where he never does like a chick's ass fisted how and swears [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► revenge and screams out of me and says well I'm gonna go get his body or [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► something like that you know I'm not gonna let him I'm not gonna let him go [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► like that i mean clearly news dad and doing a reason he went to get him as out [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► of respect for his friend in yeah I wasn't like he thought he had any hope [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► of saving his life he just you know he went out to retrieve his body and it's [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► you know it's minutes long and I wonder how long that it seems is one of the [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► things I would be surprised if somebody told me it was actually twenty minutes [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► maybe 20 minutes before he gets down the steps gets into a tiny leaves until the [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► time you blow through the explosive bolts to get back and that's a long and [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► again glacial and quiet sort of a sequence you know like even when he [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► blows the bowls didn't even hear the explosion attorneys like the middle east [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► Scotland idea is based on your screen like there's no sound of the explosion [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► killed me sound comes as he closed the door in Harrisburg to rush back into the [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► airlock Justin choice they're right and that is one of them when I say it's like [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► super scientific one of the ways that the film is when the camera is exterior [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► space there is no doubt spaceships don't make any whooshing sound it's just pure [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► silence and the sound some of the sounds in the movie was so loud in the theater [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► the silence really pops the silence it's it's like you know a great visual in [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► graphic design where r if you make truly great use of white space its striking [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► but then the only time here burner upset would be to use the breathing of an [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► astronaut [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► and restorative it almost like audio audio wise put you in a first-person [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► perspective yes yes the same way of a point of view camera that's exactly [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► that's exactly it every time you the busy you are days like in a way you know [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► what i mean you are so it almost makes my face feel hot like I can feel my own [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► hot breath [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► classes you know in clothes helmets are you is at how killed me and my body was [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► floating out into the middle of nowhere between Jupiter and Mars would you get [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► pot and come out my speed my body yes because I that moment I did not know [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► that help me to remember how doesn't reveal that he had read his lips until [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► after so I you get the feeling is suspicious beyond the fact just you just [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► from the look on his face but yeah of course I could but of course but then [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► when I got back and I couldn't get in and have to let you get away and I think [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► Bowman at that point is angry I think he knows it tells fall but that he's only [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► unsure whether it's how is malfunctioning [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► forum 11 yeah right and so I think though and I you know and I think he's [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► so in the state of shock because you know I mean I was used for his friend [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► the only guys talked to him last year I don't know how long you been up there a [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► long time [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► month mission and it seems like they're pretty far along well is mostly almost [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► there right because he sees the video transmission from Floyd when he's [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► disconnecting half and that he says [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► we're only gonna give you this message now that you're in reach [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► so much like eighteen months in like 18 months he joined by just known as in [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► Stata shopkeeper gets his helmet or you know whatever whether he completely [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► forgot them and I think we're just made the assumption that I don't really need [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► it cuz I'm not going out of the pod I'm just going to use the arms to get Frank [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► how let me back in here just never even occurred to him that how ya that's [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► actually the and then there's you know you go into that whole sequence of [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► split-screen Cameron everything that goes into their now there's two ways [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► this movie can go really one way is if you stay on the same path he wound up in [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► the room at the way floors and Dave Bowman and the changing of time and [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► place baby but if you make a little left hand turn right there you run right into [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► the currents Malick's Tree of Life and then the move that movie takes over from [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► there so that's the primordial ooze from which or something that you couldn't [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► make science fiction will be held a double feature the coffee would be like [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► six hours I could stand up everybody else [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► Spencer I don't know what kind of state of mind by then do that too [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► alright I was good let me do the first sponsored I want to thank Squarespace [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► where space is back on board this week [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► bunch of the show you guys know his car spaces it's a beautiful intuitive web [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► site platform that allows anyone to easily create professional web pages [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► blogs online stores galleries on a single platform you login and you you [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► get to choose which parts of those things you want for your site you simply [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► start you start with one of their designs you can start with 18 their [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► designs you add your own images and content anything you want to sell you [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► connect your social account your Twitter account your Facebook account that sort [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► of thing and you have a website that looks great on every device because one [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► of the things Squarespace has an all of their templates is that responsive [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► design where the same thing on the same URL is optimized for the iPad is [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► optimized for iPhone or smartphone and looks great on a big desktop monitor all [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► Squarespace accounts come with their award winning 24 7 technical support [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► their cloud hosting they take care of all the hosting needs a new domain name [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► registration they have real-time analytics so you login you get to see [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► who's coming to your site where live and if you sign up if you sign up for a year [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► even give you a free domain name the new thing they have this is the new thing [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► has disintegrated store and its they caught Squarespace scholars and you can [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► have a fully integrated door to your website and start accepting payments and [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► like everything else in Squarespace literally in just minutes you can sell [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► anything you can add a store and you get to set up what type of object you're [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► selling really easy store management and great options for payment I think that [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► the inner stripe that's our primary and everybody nice tribe is just the best [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► way to do online cars so I mean they really took something that's a huge pain [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► in the ass [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► as I mean in gym and I both know this setting up an online store and and made [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► it really really easy so check them out the the URL is square space.com / the [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► talk-show square space.com / the talk show that way don't know you're coming [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► here from the show but check them out especially if you've got something even [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► think about setting up an online store that's news to check out what they have [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► to offer before you make a mistake and go somewhere else [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► yeah I mean just brand new brand new and it's a whole suite of e-commerce [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► features that are loaded into account so it looks cool overnight around a little [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► bit they're sponsoring the deck to like other smart companies very smart [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► companies let's talk about the deck so when I love we've been going since about [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► 2002 was kind of in its infancy and then really started getting going in 2009 so [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► it kinda it really is a small text ads service as a sort of a proof of concept [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► and originally just 39 google.com and then after that I got through about it [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► so I think 2009 was when we might have run a little at the end of 2008 to 2009 [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► would have been the first year the deck here we are in 13 years or older I [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► thought it was going to be sitting in my office I can say what I remember was it [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► first launched with you and 37 signals and and tell them that is correct you [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► are correct and you guys do boxing I think yes [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► 2006 and 2007 2008 2007 yes it really sort of calling sides of their enviable [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► full-time and prior to that I ran into him time feels like it but prior to that [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► I've been selling my own totally text ads same spot where the decades are down [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► fireball rose more than just text and similar model were sort of like my RSS [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► sponsorship still are where 2011 spot a week one sponsor me and you were buying [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► those fights occasionally for Joel boxing and i dont think Ill just then so [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► was just starting today so boxing is back then people actually needed this so [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► that's how old we are displayed this but I think some people still do this is to [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► better still not very many record to the old and I was gonna go when I wanted to [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► take her in trouble time I needed somebody else to solve that I needed [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► bigger better added you as I just emailed you to say hey thanks for all of [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► the boxing things you sponsor here but I'm gonna go with so I'm gonna start [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► looking for something else [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► Brad yeah and you really hope that by John give you a week and then like we [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► usually are you want to be in the day I was always convinced it would work and I [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► believe it was at South by in 2006 where I got it was easy to talk to Jason [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► freedom to because we shared an office [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► Jason Newsted think imma do it and then I talked Jeffrey Feltman into it for us [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► apart and then it ran with us three as the only place where they had appeared [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► for a little bit for a while I believe you were MAC store [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► and the UN do you know who it was really close he bails waxy toria and then it [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► started then it then the group fairly quickly now it's going slowly but we [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► wanted the event was relatively easy to do is difficult earned about getting new [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► affiliates and now we're looking for exactly the right affiliate and when [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► that you know that the ads work well for the audience and that is designed [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► properly whatever but back then nobody was carrying it and when you put the ads [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► on your site or Jason Kottke David or weeded there was some concern that our [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► readers would see that is a betrayal which is kind of funny now doesn't it [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► like to be so worried about that yeah and that is definitely true where was [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► you know I've been doing during fireball for ten years we talked about it as a [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► little bit over 10 years now but as a decade and then that that first half the [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► 2002 2003 2004 years nobody has your weblog nobody had any kind of ads and [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► then Google Adsense thing but that was just text and it was all pay per click [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► and and that was controversy I mean really was controversial people would [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► just add like a single Google was like I don't know if completed version [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► advertising at all and yeah we're more altruistic back in a young days I guess [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► but at the same time there were always been other websites the scene at the new [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► york times as the ones that were not personal but but somehow [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► you know I don't call institutionalized yeah news sites had the worst ads I mean [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► ads that are worse than the ones you see today I mean I think like about 10 level [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► 10 89 years ago [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► advertising online was absolutely it at like the bottom right punch the monkey [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► member that they would have these add that there's plenty of bad you know [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► there now to go and maybe go see it / turned off I don't know I said maybe I [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► shouldn't say that we do you think it should I mean the idea of the deck was [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► just to go over the basics of the notice I'm sorry but the idea of the deck was [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► we thought there is probably a better way to do display advertising that would [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► provide benefits for all three people in the advertising equation and by the [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► three people in the equation I mean the publisher the advertiser and the reader [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► we feel we felt like we made the decade we can come up with the concept for [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► delivering advertiser that would be beneficial to all three of those people [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► that it would work because up until that point it was it wasn't it wasn't fair [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► with for the advertiser was for the publisher was for the reader whatever so [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► our content was if we put together a confederation of like-minded sites that [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► we just played a single ad from an advertiser that was truly relevant to [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► the readership that everybody could benefit and we've never said that if the [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► head is in the deck we endorse it [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► business but it's sort of an implied endorsement since we turn down as all [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► the time since we're fairly local five and low tack and reserving a mini the [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► debt is not any Brisbane programming thing and we're serving up these ads we [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► have very low overhead on the network and so we deliver a lot of impressions [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► for a relatively good cause so every a lot of people want to buy on the deck [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► but we don't want [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► the ad from people who want to add some people we have products and services [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► that appeal to our audience in a real way not just in a sort of you know I am [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► unconvinced that an algorithm can ever really choose relevance for advertising [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► to a marketplace country maybe someday [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► the other thing that's it's not really a direct concern to people who read sites [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► that are on the deck people who read during fireballer cocky they don't need [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► understand this and and it doesn't matter but the fact is the deck has [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► never paid by the page view ever the fact that was part of the concept of [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► this it better for everybody if we do it this way where you [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► advertisers just paid the deck asset be in a run for the month and you know it's [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► not that we don't give them traffic numbers tell them you know [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► collectively we do this we tend to do this many page views a month or whatever [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► but if we happen to do more we do a little last month it's not if it doesn't [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► act right and that's the to me the biggest thing to me that's even bigger [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► than the unobtrusive pneus of the actual physical format of the ad on page is [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► that it takes away any sort of impetus to pump up your page views [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► road is no reason and it so you don't see there's nobody I know about the deck [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► or takes long articles embrace them into six pages right which is truly just it's [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► just a scam I mean I don't even use that word lightly it's a scam to to get your [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► pages up and [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► that works against nobodies so the pain pay-per-view model that most of the rest [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► of online advertising uses is bad for everybody because it's bad for the [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► advertiser because they're getting these numbers that don't correlate to people [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► they correlate to people clicking on web pages so when you go through and and the [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► worst of it now this is the way to thats that sort of bottomed out the slideshow [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► right here's twenty twenty ways that Apple could screw up the iWatch yeah [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► you've got a click twenty times and it counts as twenty pages but that's no [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► good for the advertiser right because each one of those advertisers let's do [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► this for advertisers in the slide you they're all being charged the full price [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► of the page you when it goes without saying that if I'm clicking through to [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► 20 pictures in nineteen twenty pages on one page what the more you know what's [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► more valuable impression you know if if I'm involved in an article I'm reading [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► it fireball I'm reading a post from peanuts with miss or a long thread on [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► Metafilter involved in the ad is there if if I pick click through and she 480 [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► get four more impressions but are those impressions equal to the same person no [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► course it's even worse for the reader I mean nobody ever in history world said [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► you know what I like to do as I like to click twenty times to see all 20 ideas [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► you have about Kate Upton pictures I can handle rate and it's it's no good for [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► the sites themselves because then they're busy themselves with trumped-up [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► SEO headlines there you know who feels good about taking a nice long article [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► that's really a good read and chopping it up in the bits where you know that [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► each one of those times where you make asking readers to click the thing you [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► know that half of them are going to just drop consumer gonna drop away it's [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► almost heartbreaking to know that you if you've written something that really is [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► good I get real nice 2000 word piece it's almost heartbreaking to think that [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► two-thirds of the readers only go to the first seven hundred words just close the [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► window so it doesn't work for anybody get it like entrenched and it's not just [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► that it's the idea of displaying 5 ads on a page and counting them all as you [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► don't count each of those are somehow for some reason you don't count each of [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► those is the fifth of an impression because of all the pressure so I know [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► maybe were over delivering but you know the dirty little secret of the doctors [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► for the right advertiser works very well most of our advertisers Renu advertisers [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► that have the service or a product that fits with sort of the mindset of the [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► affiliates under the deck do very well so we don't have to change all the [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► advertising on the web we just have to write the equivalent I N started to [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► equate the ads in any one medium to another like how is a TV commercial like [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► a magazine that it's hard to draw the comparison but to me the way that [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► there's five ad on a page you know the washington post or something like that [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► and they sell them all as separate page views to me it's like selling a [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► full-page ad in the newspaper and magazine but putting five ads on the [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► page right that's a good way to put it but you know what it is I often think I [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► often they buying a slot on the deck which buys you one slot and that by you [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► three percent of all the impressions across all the sites and services in the [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► network for a calendar month that works out to somewhere between two and three [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► million persons but buying that currently does not buying that is mozdok [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► into buying a full-page in New York in a magazine is more like a magazine it has [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► your buying a monthly thing [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► you your ad is by itself that is not it is adjacent to content but it is not [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► adjacent other air and it's very difficult to quantify the results that [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► you get for it but if you buy the new yorker your sales go up you probably do [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► the ad and you can track who sought in the new yorker will have the same thing [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► with the deck so I think the decade's worth anything at all maybe it's more [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► like a full-page magazine ad in a magazine that it is like a TV commercial [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► or like a traditional Bay Area I just wish the decade like just take over all [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► the pages and the affiliate a decade really big and blot on the continent [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► think readers and advertisers and appreciate their yeah like usual of [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► JavaScript to make the ad march over the page and you have to shoot it before and [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► I'll go back to this spot and then a dialogue with his do you really want to [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► leave the thing that I love those ladies join me this paper you don't know what [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► the Cliq is you feel like you're in the spammers embrace already lake and just [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► click no I don't want to leave your saying yes I appreciate your takeover ad [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► but if you say I want to leave you think maybe they're smart enough to make that [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► the defaulting send you to the Florida property page whatever the advertisers [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► something more nefarious Netflix still does pop under ads I don't see them I [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► don't know why maybe because I don't know what it's like a cat and mouse game [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► I think between the browsers and the right and people who were trying to [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► circumvent the anti pop up thing but every once and I still see him from [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► Netflix and every time I see what I've been unhappy Netflix customer for years [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► I still am but every time I see a popular from Netflix idea in my head [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► that maybe I should unsubscribe from Netflix just because they're using some [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► of the money did too popular which are the words right now working there were [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► tears networking figures counterproductive [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► I didn't know who I don't see no matter how do I have to admit that I used to do [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► pretty good at that [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► blocking right sure if you are like Squarespace and you have a product or [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► service that could benefit by being in front of millions of creative [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► intelligent curious and good-looking people you should go to the deck and [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► give us a holler let me ask about another subject tell me about what you [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► and I were both in New Zealand so tell me about that we were there we could go [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► as a recording today Friday February 22nd a week ago we were together in [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► serbia Chicago we were in Wellington New Zealand just about this time your [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► presentation that's probably about right now though [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► time different rights which is my blog right and there's this whole thing where [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► the international dateline you cross over there there there in tomorrow [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► already well it's like it now is that sort of like the end of 2001 daily [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► though that our friend or mutual great friend Michael lob had a birthday and he [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► he [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► California the nine airplane from San Francisco I was on the plane with them [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► we arrived in Wellington New Zealand on the 11 Michael's birthday can't so he [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► got gypped out of a burglar who are maybe the positive maybe the count right [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► now maybe he had to say it doesn't legally bound is being a girl [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► let's talk about the great conference where did you where did you think I [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► really was I went back I was there two years ago and it was such a long flight [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► as soon as I came back I thought that was great but never again and then I [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► think it's like the way that you know like child bearing where it hurts in in [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► women say when they were going to do it again but then you feel like engineered [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► to forget it's like the fights but if I remember it was such a great conference [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► two years ago so I jumped at the chance to go back and I thought the same thing [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► that it was man I would have loved to have been hearing and speaking just to [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► see these [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► do think it's the best cover diver I believe what I'm conferences and i'd [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► never do that could never been to maybe only rivaled by 2007 2008 by before it [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► turned into the monster that took over the world [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► the thing it's a single track with a small exception it's a single check on [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► to talk about 850 people there and everybody sees all the same talks in the [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► middle of the day there half the people who are more developers go one way and [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► having to learn more designers go the other way but by and large the [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► singletrack conference and I have never been to a conference we're more of the [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► speaker set and rooted for the other speakers for me that really sad [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► interesting and well program conference it was that I wanted to see all the [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► other speakers and not just cuz I knew some of them but because I didn't [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► already know now that was sort of interesting and it's in a cool place [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► well in terms of cool place it's a very cool place and it's nice it is a really [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► nice treat every speaker but I think we're all from the Northern Hemisphere [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► and they had [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► me i'm suppose it depends on where you count Craig modest from being from a [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► disease from san Francisco is one thing but even possible Tokyo yeah but it's [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► really nice to go from mid February northern hemisphere to February South [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► southern hemisphere I guess what is that that's the equivalent of August and and [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► it's not real hot it was seventy everyday was like 70 and sunny and which [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► apparently is not the case and will arrange quite a bit but we didn't see [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► any of that sort of thing where they tell everybody it's windy and rainy all [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► the time to keep people away they want to share these days maybe that I do [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► think the singletrack nature of web stock I mean there's certainly a [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► single-track conference but a lot of the other single track conferences that I go [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► to or been to cart significantly smaller do the new one single 10 which is gone [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► on two years in a row in October in Montreal is about a hundred think 22 [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► years been the hundred and eight hundred and twenty-five people are so and c4 [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► here in Chicago before that you know I was like a 2006 murder yeah those are [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► real those are more focused on Apple developers developers but now clearly [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► Mackinac Island School in there is some dirty this website but it was more of a [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► general developer designer broaden your mind a little bit like for example Craig [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► talked about what he called [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► publishing the subcompact publishing talking about Marco little bit in the [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► magazine but also sort of general trends it was more like that it was more like [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► big idea and then let's break it down as opposed to this is how you clothes [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► shopping cart israel's or whatever right and creating its Craig mobs talk is [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► probably a perfect example of that where I feel like they did the name of the [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► conference web stock implies its roots which was people making websites you [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► know I think this was the seventh year that they ran three and I think a [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► regionally was more specific about designing and building websites and now [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► they've gotten away from that it i mean that certain part of it but I think [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► Craig stalk exemplified why they're getting away from that because there's [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► not that much of a difference and if you're going to do it online publication [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► gonna need web stuff and AB stuff and I did a show of hands in my talks I was [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► curious cuz I remember two years ago I did the same thing we know what are the [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► people in the audience working on it was overwhelmingly websites web stuff and I [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► asked how many people are working on apps and I'd say easily over half the [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► hands well I mean those teams went up we're the ones we use it how many are [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► working on both right as they were going to websites and mobile apps and like the [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► whole everything up and it's you know I am I gonna get caught up in the emotion [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► of and I did that but I think the dad think it speaks to the strength of the [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► programming of the conference that Dave sort of adjusted instead of trying to [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► replay what web stock was in 2007 and it's it's really sort of got their [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► finger on the pulse of what are these people working on today even if it's not [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► with the working on its what what issues but larger issues in design and [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► development can we discuss that will benefit your work and the other thing [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► they do is they have the first two days of the conference are workshops [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► so you can go to a half-day workshop with Craig might for example about [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► subcompact publishing and I think they actually with their iPhones published a [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► book to Amazon in their happy so I mean there is practice I think the more [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► practical sort of things like Karen McGrane stalks and wound up in workshops [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► where people can really get their hands on this stuff and the more conceptual [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► stuff wound up in the main presentation say so but I would encourage anybody who [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► is interested in New Zealand to go to the next website yeah and it's it's one [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► of those things where I guess no matter how a few civ our praise is of the [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► conference anybody you know from North America even on the west coast we're [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► already closer is still going to roll their eyes and then why not go away to [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► New Zealand but if you've ever thought about going to New Zealanders or maybe [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► in some kind of combined two week trip where you go to Australia to or [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► something like that and workout schedule wise to do it with web stock in the [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► middle that would be worth it really is it best is the best conference I know if [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► that's going on and we'll see because it is beautiful Hall invitations are what's [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► called the Wellington Town Hall which was from nineteen old and its big [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► beautiful building the Beatles played there in the talking heads played there [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► and all this other stuff happen then adds quite imposing stage for speaker [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► but we had a big earthquake in Christchurch year-ago no two years you [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► years ago they have made much [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► stronger regulations about how buildings have to be supported so the Town Hall is [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► because for two years while they reinforce it so I don't know what's [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► going to happen it's hard to imagine that happening with all the beautiful [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► building but I suppose it could happen anywhere just got my story on that the [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► earthquake was that it happened so I certainly didn't support online 'cause [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► right but if it happened like two or three hours after our plane took off [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► from Auckland the 12 hour flight from Auckland SFO so we we we were in [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► Auckland and there was no earthquake we've got an airplane two or three hours [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► later when this truly horrifying earthquake again I don't think it's [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► hyperbole devastated Christchurch animals major major world news and so [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► like mine and Amy's family saw this thing major earthquake in New Zealand [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► and they didn't know what city and all they did was we said we're going to New [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► Zealand for Congress in 1800 block of Wellington they didn't know we were in [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► Christchurch I so they all tried calling us and of course couldn't get a call [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► because we were only two or three you know we had nine hours to go before we [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► land in SFO and they just like when we landed in SFO or phone to turn our [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► phones on it was like voicemail voicemail voicemail voicemail [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► alright are you all right or your right and I my first thought was it's the way [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► you always when you get bad news and he just instantly like blank and going to [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► denial of us and they're like I was a different order quick and easy cuz I had [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► just there was an earthquake you didn't occur to you that something like that [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► could happen when you fly over the pacific especially being the other thing [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► about that is remember when you fly from Auckland to tampering Cisco you pretty [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► much arrived at the same time you left because he had a plan to actually [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► there's no time you know right you leave there at three in the afternoon you get [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► to San Francisco to about three in the afternoon it's almost like it's a free [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► flops first even a week later he would have to put it right [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► who have had two oh yes you could have had your birthday and then head your [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► birthday right executive spent the whole time which is not anybody to have a [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► great birthday I did the second sponsor a new sponsor and this is really i'd i'd [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► say this not because those sponsors because I'm really impressed by what [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► they built it ever picks ev er ki IX ever picks is a smart photo platform [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► that helps you make sense of your growing photo collection they have no [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► storage limit so you have all your photos anywhere everywhere [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► organized automatically in the cloud really the bottom line long story short [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► is that they're aiming to replace something like iPhoto or Lightroom as [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► your canonical files 4444 photos and the problem that they're trying to solve is [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► that day thing and I believe that the modern photographer is simply casual [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► photographer is is overwhelmed by the number of photos that they take you know [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► the take hundreds of month thousands in here and you end up with a digital [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► cameras now for probably like 10 years we have libraries of 10 or more thousand [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► files and nobody organizes and let's not pretend that you're going to get back [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► from your vacation and that you have to take those 300 photos and put tags on [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► all of them and name them all so they have done all this algorithmically it's [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► really really smart stuff from a really smart team and they have a great iPhone [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► Apple iPad app for navigating these libraries on the Mac you can still use [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► something like iPhoto or Lightroom to suck the photos off your card and make [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► color corrections and delete the ones that are no good [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► eyes are closed but then it said of organizing them in their albums or [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► anything like that just go through and iPhoto you tell over texts I am a client [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► sort of like Dropbox it's just a simple little face with single runs in the [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► background you get to pick which known file locations you know whether you just [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► pick a folder or you pick your iPhoto library it upload them to your account [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► in the cloud and everything else happens after that that happens really really [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► impressive did by default it is groups everything by date in two events it's [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► really really smart about detecting interesting parts of the photos so it [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► puts them together in a collage on screen for you to pick from scroll [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► through it shows you just great little thumbnails and it's very fast very [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► beautiful you can try it for free the Ab Circle the software is free and you can [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► do with 34 AV 30 day free trial just see how it works you like it you pay I think [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► it's tickets $40 a month of forty dollars a year I'm sorry for $5 a month [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► very reasonable unlimited stormed right and I again I was doubtful at the [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► beginning and I wasn't quite sure what it was but it's not it's not a [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► replacement for flickr is not Instagram it's not photo sharing its your personal [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► library back in the cloud available on all of your devices all the time I'm [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► using it I really couldn't be happier with them really impress I did that [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► before we recorded the show I was showing jim was getting all maudlin and [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► showing baby pictures of Jonas you're all the pictures I haven't seen in [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► forever and it was just great so ever pics what you want to do [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► do is go to ever picks dot com ev er VIX dot com and check it out thanks to them [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► for sponsoring the show will take it up because I attend the other day that I [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► hope that there's actually there is reincarnation because then I will be [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► able to organize my digital photos I think it's a great promise I really do [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► the premises you're never been organizing just given to us and we'll [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► organize a long story short that's the just yet and it's it's I think they've [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► got people even delete do you still believe photos that they that sow [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► together like I think I was just like I do that shoot with my real camera I do [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► so many pictures but I do I used to do I get to pass things first pass is go [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► through like with website I took I don't know 300 pictures first passes just go [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► through and pick out anything that's just all you know how to focus toward [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► the lights way offers them somebody's eyes are closed and it was one right [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► took place let's save for pictures that the same thing [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► quick make it did snap decision which one is the good one and going and then [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► the old way than what I used to do [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► years ago and I still do every once in a while but I have to admit I just never [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► get around to it must have been so then I would go through and really start [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► thinking about which ones are good and giving up four star ranking to this one [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► and five star to this one and stuff like that [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► give him titles are putting me I don't get to do anything to lead I don't delay [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► don't organized and it's not that I don't want to it's just too much is [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► never seems like there's a great time when when you really want to take two [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► hours ago through intense you know when you fall behind I got you know you're [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► with the brothers will see Jason we met her I met you before he did [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► the website said that an eight hour layover in singapore is a good time to [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► organize for only over to be at the hanging out with Vijay Web Start made me [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► feel great about my new zealand to philadelphia by way of Auckland and I [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► went to LAX but there's no difference really been going through us have made [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► me feel a lot better he was going home to Sweden he was flying instead of [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► flying east use file West like New Zealand Australia to Singapore to god [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► knows how to YouTube it was like one of the Indiana Jones trip you know . the [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► plane and the map of the sepia tone map so where would you go back to website I [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► would they think I mean I would be invited again but you know what I would [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► like to do and we should get to talk to Mike Monteiro because he did it a little [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► bit as I would like to go for longer go to web stock and then take a car on the [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► South Island everybody said that like the place and that's where a lot of them [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► there are some locations around Wellington from the Lord of the Rings [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► but that's sort of like their cottage industry [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► tourists Jenny how is is go there and see the Lord of the Rings sites and [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► stuff like that and the studio is in the studio is in Wellington yeah I'll take a [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► guess I'll so long that it's whether yeah but it is really a baby but he'll [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► be surprised because they never have to guess at the pronunciation something [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► like this would be kept everything so maybe he was wrong there some locations [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► on the North Island with the one with Auckland and Wellington but the South [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► Island is the one where it's apparently a little bit more [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► a lot more see more there's a lot of population a lot more public ground is [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► so I think that would be you know I think I would like to talk again I would [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► also like to see more of ya so maybe we can work those two things together at [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► something so what did you think of web stark most gratifying for most [TS]

01:05:05 ◼   ► illuminating that's a good question or a bouncer really good drawing a blank on [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► his name the guy who wrote the novel mister numbers low levels low Robinson [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► there was a great talk gave a great talk on the way we put your by summarizing it [TS]

01:05:29 ◼   ► the wrong way but part of it was about the way that we don't really understand [TS]

01:05:32 ◼   ► any new medium until decades and in one of the ways he proved that was like [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► going back to the turn of the last century and how when the movie's first [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► became a thing people put like sarcastic quotes around the world movies that it [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► was you know right [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► movies with quotes around it and that that lasted for decades and even up [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► through late twenties even though you know until like the nineteen thirties [TS]

01:05:59 ◼   ► when people in newspapers wrote about movies they put the word in quotes like [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► it was sort of not a real thing or form [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► better passing fancy of some sort right he's talked to right around the corner [TS]

01:06:13 ◼   ► and members of the quarters but when they first shown a movie for the first [TS]

01:06:20 ◼   ► time somewhere in India or somewhere [TS]

01:06:24 ◼   ► audience didn't know whether they should look at the screen or the light moving [TS]

01:06:29 ◼   ► through the air like you know from the projection booth like they didn't know [TS]

01:06:32 ◼   ► what was most interesting sort of which way to turn your chair was the best one [TS]

01:06:39 ◼   ► for you I think that was very entertaining I soon have enjoyed Jason [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► Katims talk about the stellar which I don't want it and I believe all the [TS]

01:06:51 ◼   ► videos go up online right right or what it's about but it was a surprising it [TS]

01:06:57 ◼   ► took it was a very typical talk about one guy building a web app that took an [TS]

01:07:03 ◼   ► interesting and surprising turn is very human and emotional and also very [TS]

01:07:09 ◼   ► important if so I like that and then I saw Kelly Anderson to talk about design [TS]

01:07:16 ◼   ► of everyday life which really was grade some super interesting projects and a [TS]

01:07:22 ◼   ► lot of really terrific work presented in a entertaining and intelligent way to [TS]

01:07:27 ◼   ► get a chance to see her speak I would do that and I think those two maybe were [TS]

01:07:31 ◼   ► unsurprisingly have the same taste as you but yet got keys was great and very [TS]

01:07:38 ◼   ► personal and very Jason way yes it was it everyone in the room was surprised at [TS]

01:07:46 ◼   ► one point in it let's put it that way right and I know he doesn't speak a lot [TS]

01:07:49 ◼   ► size is probably a lot of people out there listening who certainly knows say [TS]

01:07:53 ◼   ► probably daily but maybe don't know what he's like in person but he's I think he [TS]

01:08:00 ◼   ► is a lot like what you think is quiet but he's thoughtful observant ran not a [TS]

01:08:09 ◼   ► shower funny you know that doesn't mean it's not funny it just means it's quite [TS]

01:08:14 ◼   ► funny lake and he is talk and the way he gave it was really in a way that I i [TS]

01:08:21 ◼   ► cant do I don't know there's there's a there's a stage John Gruber that I don't [TS]

01:08:27 ◼   ► think it's disingenuous on stage but I don't know I know that I'm not is [TS]

01:08:32 ◼   ► broadly personalise and I really enjoyed that was great [TS]

01:08:38 ◼   ► one of those wondering you said i i'd never I wasn't familiar with her work [TS]

01:08:41 ◼   ► before I never met her before and now consider her hand blown away by the [TS]

01:08:47 ◼   ► quality of our work and then Mike brought the house down my current era [TS]

01:08:53 ◼   ► brought the house down he was the last speech on the last day and he talked [TS]

01:08:56 ◼   ► about designers responsibility to their work and to that end to what's right and [TS]

01:09:01 ◼   ► two aircraft and it was you know what you call that it was a brought the house [TS]

01:09:09 ◼   ► down everybody grows every was it was it was it was powerful and positive and it [TS]

01:09:16 ◼   ► was also a bit of a lecture so good with a good way and it was a boy was that the [TS]

01:09:21 ◼   ► right audience for that talk right [TS]

01:09:24 ◼   ► like in terms of actually him giving you know if you're doing it this way of [TS]

01:09:27 ◼   ► doing it wrong and you should do it this way not just for yourself but really [TS]

01:09:31 ◼   ► literally a minute for the world [TS]

01:09:33 ◼   ► yeah and the people in the audience of the people who you know and you know [TS]

01:09:38 ◼   ► what speakers we're allowed for a fact but he's demand over the lake in a [TS]

01:09:45 ◼   ► speech like that which is a highly structured well-rehearsed right actually [TS]

01:09:50 ◼   ► rigorous presentation he his profanity is powerful I will end in a good way so [TS]

01:09:59 ◼   ► it's a great he's yeah he's his use of profanity is about as eloquent and go [TS]

01:10:05 ◼   ► What is the title of his most famous speech online fuck you pay me he's also [TS]

01:10:11 ◼   ► gonna get a list of this was called how designers destroyed the world right with [TS]

01:10:16 ◼   ► titles is give it was a good way to end with a good way to end the show will [TS]

01:10:24 ◼   ► probably thanks for having me on time listener first time caller as they say [TS]

01:10:28 ◼   ► if you have a chance to see the new seventy million or print of 2001 travel [TS]

01:10:34 ◼   ► all the way from Philadelphia Chicago if you have to it's worth you know what [TS]

01:10:37 ◼   ► this means of course you know that they can schedule the 17th [TS]

01:10:40 ◼   ► screening at this point until he probably will give you better able to [TS]

01:10:46 ◼   ► bury linden we'll go back to Ohio say we could tell the story of account number [TS]

01:10:51 ◼   ► at some point in the future thanks John [TS]