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0:00:00so put your little hand in mine

0:00:04no he'll mountain we can't climb babe I

0:00:11got you babe I got you been the

0:00:19incomparable number 232 Groundhog Day

0:00:27welcome back and ready to the

0:00:28uncomfortable podcast I'm your host

0:00:29Jason Snell and tonight we're going to

0:00:31be talking about a fine fine film some

0:00:35might say one of the classics it not

0:00:39just of recent memory but of all time I

0:00:43might actually make that proposal but we

0:00:46will get we will will take some time

0:00:47introducing people when i mentioned that

0:00:49the movie i'm talking about is Groundhog

0:00:51Day starring bill murray who is beloved

0:00:56as well as other actors who are less

0:00:59love it

0:01:00ante in deed joining me to talk about

0:01:04groundhog day are fine group of people

0:01:07Steve let's hello

0:01:09okay campers rise and shine and don't

0:01:11forget your booties because it's cold

0:01:13out there

0:01:14yes indeed Erica and signs also out

0:01:16there hi hello i sure as heckfire agree

0:01:19that this is a movie is a classic ships

0:01:21others is also out there hi chip

0:01:23Jason I'm reliving the same podcast over

0:01:26and over the incomparable Groundhog Day

0:01:28review today

0:01:29that's right how'd it go in previous

0:01:31loops chip dammit you called me out

0:01:35dan Frakes joins us who is a an

0:01:38occasional participant in this little

0:01:40podcaster virus High Dam

0:01:42hello Jason occasional it's good to have

0:01:44you here thank you

0:01:45do you have a reference for me know okay

0:01:48I'm here because my wife hates this

0:01:50movie and this is the only time I get to

0:01:51talk about it so well there are people

0:01:54that hate this movie

0:01:55dan needlenose dan dan the head oh

0:01:58that's right yeah and Monty actually is

0:02:01also the also here hi Monty hi i can

0:02:04think of a lot of references but I have

0:02:05this weird feeling that somebody else

0:02:07has already done them already

0:02:09haha yes

0:02:12previous universe so I 1983 little bit

0:02:17let's let's get some things out of the

0:02:18way here

0:02:18first off that I'm your wet I'm your

0:02:21weatherman song

0:02:22is atrocious and must be can i love it

0:02:27necessarily because we're like harold

0:02:29ramis incident not not a not a good song

0:02:31i disagree completely i love that song

0:02:34everytime i hear it starting up like I

0:02:35was grooving on the couch I don't know

0:02:37what stephen thought I was doing but I

0:02:39was having a very good time I enjoy the

0:02:41list

0:02:41it's better when the work before the

0:02:42word start but once the word start is

0:02:45not know the way it's ridiculous but I

0:02:47like ridiculous it is very much of its

0:02:50time

0:02:51yes that yeah i'll make you smile game

0:02:55if you don't win

0:02:59take me about can't you

0:03:06and then this was my larger point is

0:03:10it's got that it's got the goofy song

0:03:12there's so many things in this that

0:03:14would lead you to believe that this is a

0:03:15kind of disposable early nineties comedy

0:03:21romantic comedy the poster also with

0:03:24Bill Murray throwing up his hands in a

0:03:26clock in an alarm clock as and Miguel

0:03:29does a sort of sears photo studio pose

0:03:33with a fist on her chin really just the

0:03:36existence of Andie McDowell and I was

0:03:38going to say and then also the existence

0:03:40of Annie miquelon chris elliott as

0:03:42supporting players in this film Lee

0:03:45would lead you to believe that this

0:03:46might not be a film added to the united

0:03:48states national film registry as

0:03:51culturally historically wrong or

0:03:53aesthetically significant' but indeed it

0:03:55has

0:03:56so I guess that that might be where I

0:03:59want to start is the credits over the

0:04:01clouds don't both very well well you

0:04:05know you get some stock footage of blue

0:04:07sky with some clouds to make sense later

0:04:10but it doesn't really get the juices

0:04:12flowing for the fellow mile thick not

0:04:14well erica was was bobbing and weaving

0:04:16during that sure was a series is all

0:04:19those clouds i was you know and i think

0:04:20this is definitely a case of the the the

0:04:23some it is greater than the sum of its

0:04:25parts because yeah if that weatherman

0:04:27song was in a different movie and

0:04:29probably wouldn't have the nice fuzzy

0:04:30warm feelings toward that I do i forgot

0:04:32existed frankly until I was such a short

0:04:35time the movie of the song the song i

0:04:37remember the movie very well I know that

0:04:39guitar parts on another guitar far apart

0:04:41from the store man cause it's in the DVD

0:04:44menu and like oh yeah right away it just

0:04:47got about a PowerPoint file right we're

0:04:50just having different originally because

0:04:51mine plays the score

0:04:54Jason you have the DVD i have which has

0:04:56like the old almost like it looks like

0:04:58Annie world cartoon city and that might

0:05:02be right i I have a very early DVD and

0:05:04then I just got the blu-ray

0:05:06last year so nobody why have the blu-ray

0:05:08the 15th anniversary edition that very

0:05:10nice menu with the score over in the

0:05:12middle of miles from my calendars and

0:05:16then there's some heated shots of the

0:05:18phil getting slapped

0:05:20now that's better oh no I'm old-school

0:05:22I've got a clear original DVD cartoon

0:05:24punxsutawney layout map ya that ya might

0:05:27be more grading just to get rid of that

0:05:29guitar I don't they have room for me to

0:05:31go on an hour long rant about how men

0:05:34you should just not have sound on them

0:05:36at all

0:05:37oh I might be right there with ya it's

0:05:40so good just saying I watched it on

0:05:41amazon streaming video on a reading the

0:05:44imac with chris elliott walking around

0:05:46carrying a betacam and it just broke my

0:05:48mind it is it's an old movie now I guess

0:05:51issued this should be old movie club

0:05:53this movie is 22 years old now you can

0:05:56say that don't so no no this yeah I must

0:05:59got the DVD very very early that there

0:06:00was a blu-ray sale i think it

0:06:02conveniently like about a week after

0:06:04Groundhog Day last year when that they

0:06:05had run out the prices in advance of

0:06:07Groundhog Day and then afterward there

0:06:09was a sale and blu-ray was like seven

0:06:10bucks or something huh

0:06:12looks good looks good on blu-ray the HD

0:06:15version is very nice

0:06:16we need a screenshot of that of the old

0:06:18one Jason I do have that somewhere i

0:06:20should actually take that awful DVD out

0:06:22because it is it's very bad it's it's so

0:06:25bad anyway the movie is not bad although

0:06:28ok so the funny thing about this movie

0:06:31the remarkable thing about this movie

0:06:32right is that obviously Bill Murray is

0:06:35stuck in a time loop he lives groundhog

0:06:37day over and over again

0:06:39spoilers for Groundhog Day you know

0:06:41seven groundhog day are you listening to

0:06:44this

0:06:44what is wrong with you if you haven't

0:06:47seen the movie and right you listen to a

0:06:49podcast about groundhog day and then get

0:06:50mad at us when it turned out to be about

0:06:52groundhog day yeah haha they thought it

0:06:54was about the holiday

0:06:55yeah salute to ground it was like one

0:06:58listener out there who's like quietly

0:07:00talking to be dissing me I'm sorry

0:07:02listener but you should stop and watch

0:07:04and watch the movie anyway what what

0:07:07struck me this time watching it is all

0:07:09the scenes before they get get to

0:07:12Punxsutawney seem like like everything

0:07:16else seem like out of another left

0:07:19the movie the whole he's got his whole

0:07:22weatherman stick at the TV station in

0:07:24Pittsburgh where he's in front of the

0:07:26blue screen doing his his wacky

0:07:30weatherman sort of like when David

0:07:31Letterman was a weatherman Indiana I

0:07:33think I I me like it's a very similar

0:07:35kind of thing he's it these are the

0:07:37jokes folks and obviously the the

0:07:39anchorwoman hates him and everybody else

0:07:42hates him argument it all just seems so

0:07:45it's like something out of a totally

0:07:47different movie and i find it it must

0:07:49mean something that my brain just

0:07:50completely blocks out everything before

0:07:52we get to Punxsutawney i was watching

0:07:55the the the director commentary and

0:07:58Danny Ruben was saying that actually

0:08:00that was never supposed to be in the

0:08:01movie when he wrote the original

0:08:03screenplay

0:08:04he wanted the movie to start right where

0:08:06where the things are happening over and

0:08:09over and over he didn't want any of the

0:08:11backstory he didn't think it mattered

0:08:12and harold ramis had to say you've got

0:08:14to set it up people have to like no

0:08:16that's guy's a jerk beforehand and

0:08:17they've got to know you know what she

0:08:19was coming from and why there and and it

0:08:22was a big point of debate actually

0:08:24between them and / the the DVD

0:08:26commentary Ramos told him for sure that

0:08:29that is the one thing he would not

0:08:30change about his script it turns out

0:08:31that was the first thing that changed

0:08:33the batteries Korea which i think is

0:08:35great because it would be to me a much

0:08:38lesser movie if it started somewhere in

0:08:39the middle of the it needs the origin

0:08:42story I think well indeed the origin

0:08:43story but as far as I'm concerned you

0:08:45can start with his first time going

0:08:47through that day you can rely on Bill

0:08:49Murray to convey that this character is

0:08:51a Dirk and no one likes him

0:08:53just on the first iteration of Groundhog

0:08:56Day certainly in my head that's where

0:08:57the movie starts

0:08:59possibly because everything and that

0:09:00they happen so many times that right we

0:09:02need we need time to be introduced to

0:09:04the other great characters in this how

0:09:07could we do without the the whimsical

0:09:09andie macdowell playing in front of the

0:09:11blue screens and that's that

0:09:14well it helps that there's 12 times as

0:09:16much Stephen Tobolowsky as there is

0:09:18anybody else the I i would also say

0:09:22something about this that struck me was

0:09:23when they get to Punxsutawney on the on

0:09:26on the first I'm also surprised it out

0:09:30how perfunctory that is I think it's an

0:09:32interest

0:09:33a choice that we spend time in the

0:09:34weather you weather Center than in the

0:09:37newsroom for the and the TV set in

0:09:39Pittsburgh where we learn that Phil is

0:09:41you know not very happy and not very

0:09:43well-liked and all these things and and

0:09:46almost no time in Punxsutawney where I

0:09:48was wondering to myself maybe it

0:09:50would've been better to start the movie

0:09:51with them coming in to Punxsutawney and

0:09:53setting up Phil is kind of an unpleasant

0:09:55person there but we never leave the

0:09:56outskirts you know the boundary of

0:09:58Punxsutawney because as it is they get

0:10:01there and you know they're they're going

0:10:03to the cheap hotel and he's gonna

0:10:04complain and be a prima donna right

0:10:06prima donnas right i'm donna and she's

0:10:10like oh no we're going to drop you off

0:10:11here and he's like alright and then and

0:10:13then cut to its the next morning and I i

0:10:15always think like what what did you do

0:10:18that night did he do anything

0:10:20interesting you know have been thinking

0:10:22that tomorrow would be a normal day and

0:10:24the answer is nope nope no time for that

0:10:26Sonny and Cher need to play let's just

0:10:27move along and I think that's a little

0:10:29strange i wonder if the if the movie

0:10:30might have been better if they had just

0:10:34started in Punxsutawney on the evening

0:10:36of the first rather than having the

0:10:37Pittsburgh thing i don't know i don't

0:10:38think so I like the contrast I like the

0:10:40fact that we do get a little bit of time

0:10:43that's outside punxsutawney where things

0:10:45change and things progress and then all

0:10:48of a sudden he's in the wormhole and

0:10:50there and there we go

0:10:51it's also nice to see where he's coming

0:10:53from you know he spends a lot of time

0:10:54talking about how he he wants to move on

0:10:57and become you don't do something better

0:10:58and he acts like such a prima donna but

0:11:01we've seen in the beginning of the film

0:11:02now she was going to have anything to be

0:11:04a prima donna about he's not really his

0:11:07job

0:11:08no just call himself the talent he's

0:11:10always be not only and that is the thing

0:11:13the TV people saying I always thought it

0:11:15was ridiculous but that the best one

0:11:16right is that you know how it there's

0:11:18not gonna be any snow it's gonna be fine

0:11:20it's gonna miss us the blizzards not

0:11:21going to happen and he and every gonna

0:11:23every day he gets hit with the fact that

0:11:26he made the wrong protection as you

0:11:28cycle through he's a very bad weatherman

0:11:30so something I noticed that for the

0:11:32first time when I was watching this time

0:11:34was that as a drive into punxsutawney

0:11:36they pass by the Alpine theatre which is

0:11:39is presume the one theater in

0:11:40Punxsutawney right Heidi 10 and it's

0:11:43playing I'd had never seen that Heidi

0:11:44too

0:11:45classic was the one movie he was stuck

0:11:47with and then you and then it turns out

0:11:50later when he's a when he shows up at

0:11:52the film with the dresses Clint Eastwood

0:11:54wouldn't have made my he he talks about

0:11:57how he loves this movie he's seen it

0:11:58over a hundred times

0:12:00that's the film he had to watch over a

0:12:02hundred times it's heidi to you too

0:12:05Emily classic I which doesn't exist by

0:12:07our way there is no Heidi to unless you

0:12:09count the fact that there is a Heidi to

0:12:10which is a pornographic German feeling

0:12:12pretty kind of class family classic the

0:12:16Marquis is referring to Rome and explain

0:12:18her costume when he takes the french

0:12:20maid that's just why I just always

0:12:22assumed it was wishful thinking on

0:12:23Harold Ramis part yeah you're creating

0:12:26your own world some of a perfect world

0:12:28to its yeah always dreamed up its really

0:12:30could have made Heidi to why wouldn't he

0:12:32do that

0:12:33well he died too soon taken us one of

0:12:36the great games to play with this movie

0:12:37is to try to guess how long he bill

0:12:40murray spending his time loop and and

0:12:42that's one of those moments that gives

0:12:44you some perspective on the the depths

0:12:46of of how he's lived this life is that

0:12:48he's he's watched Heidi to like a

0:12:51hundred times Heidi too and that's that

0:12:54certainly didn't watch that every night

0:12:56no I hate those trivia questions that I

0:12:59see sometimes it asking how many times

0:13:01to Bill Murray lived through his life in

0:13:02Groundhog Day and the answer is always

0:13:04whatever however mean more like you

0:13:06however many you see on screen and it's

0:13:08clear that that is not how many there

0:13:10are it i mean in that this is one of the

0:13:12few movies I've ever watched the DVD

0:13:14extras for because I'm not usually a fan

0:13:16of the VAM the value-added material but

0:13:18this one was really interesting talking

0:13:20I think it's harold ramis talking about

0:13:21how how dark this movie actually is the

0:13:24the number of lifetime's that this poor

0:13:27guy has lived over and over and over

0:13:28again

0:13:29I mean I did that when you get to the

0:13:31suicide part it makes sense the original

0:13:34script was even darker it was I think

0:13:36the original treatment it was supposed

0:13:38to be like about 10,000 years yeah well

0:13:41just the piano like crazy practicing the

0:13:44piano one hour a day

0:13:46yes but everything

0:13:48and maybe not even everyday i'm sure

0:13:50there are some days he decided he just

0:13:52wanted to flip cards into a hat

0:13:54I'm gonna assume that's the only song he

0:13:56knows good yeah I think that's probably

0:13:59right well he played at the day several

0:14:01he played me played aren't you want for

0:14:03my improv jazz and everything what's not

0:14:05improv if you know exactly what's

0:14:07happening tonight everybody in the world

0:14:09and every second yeah

0:14:11oh don't know he had to work on those

0:14:13was faking process euphoric own back 2x

0:14:16take what I'm gonna try and be sharp

0:14:18there

0:14:18oh now I've got something but several a

0:14:22third he becomes the least popular man

0:14:24in town because he can no longer do

0:14:25everything else but also he robbed that

0:14:27Bank i assumed afterwards that he

0:14:29retained all that knowledge maybe yeah

0:14:31artistic but I think so absolutely i

0:14:34mean look okay with it he's a god let's

0:14:36get it let's go you're not the god just

0:14:38a guy's guy I i do love that I love to

0:14:40be a barking dog but whenever he's

0:14:43walking through the day where you get

0:14:45the sense that he's just reading writing

0:14:46the script of the day barking dog or

0:14:48Cobra our media picks up the pics of the

0:14:52bag of money and then when he does that

0:14:53for reading in the diner and and and and

0:14:57then goes through who everybody is and

0:14:58how he knows every single fact there is

0:15:01to know every atom of everything in this

0:15:04town he knows at this point that's that

0:15:06moment of of you know you think I'm

0:15:08crazy but I can prove that I can i

0:15:10actually have all these things you

0:15:11realize he has spent literally you know

0:15:14air every amount of time you could ever

0:15:17conceive of a lifetime in this one day

0:15:19and this in this one town knows it

0:15:20completely that moment reminds me of a

0:15:23video game you played a lot where you

0:15:25can walk into the letter say

0:15:26all right that guy has the script that

0:15:28guy is this script at exactly six turned

0:15:31up for I walk in the King goes over

0:15:32there

0:15:33yeah you know I wondered and maybe it

0:15:35wasn't meant to be this but this time i

0:15:36watched I was thinking about it

0:15:38perhaps you know the fact that people

0:15:40want to repeat the same exact things

0:15:42every single day no matter kind of what

0:15:44he starts to say to them is a commentary

0:15:46on how much people are simply waiting

0:15:48for you to shut up so they can see the

0:15:49next things in the brain or is that a

0:15:51commentary on our podcast work

0:15:53ah interesting interesting what having

0:15:56just been on a podcast about a subject

0:15:58that we did a podcast about for the

0:15:59uncomfortable

0:16:00and having not listen to our episode

0:16:02about it since we recorded i discovered

0:16:05that i was saying the same things that I

0:16:07had said in the previous podcast I just

0:16:08you know so i think there's also that of

0:16:10just were programmed to react when I

0:16:12added a podcast honestly this is very

0:16:14narrow groundhog day when I had a

0:16:16podcast i find myself laughing at things

0:16:19that people say and I can hear myself

0:16:21laughing at the same time in the same

0:16:23way on a recording to the things that

0:16:26people are saying so yeah that's what I

0:16:28mean that that's part of the fascination

0:16:30of this movie right is that these

0:16:31characters he he can he can kind of

0:16:34program them but they're also they have

0:16:36their default responses and and it one

0:16:39of the joys of stephen tobolowsky and

0:16:42the character is that that is a great

0:16:44that is a great sequence of reactions

0:16:46that lead to a very funny plant

0:16:48literally punch line where it's like let

0:16:52me try this let me try this let me try

0:16:54this and and there's like I could punch

0:16:56him

0:16:57I can hug him there are many things i

0:16:59could do with this guy

0:17:00let's see what he does and that's kind

0:17:02of beautiful because you know that he's

0:17:05just he's trying to find all the

0:17:06variations of behavior from all these

0:17:08people because they will start in the

0:17:09exact same place every time it does make

0:17:11me wonder after all of the time he spent

0:17:12on this one day weather after the

0:17:15credits roll the realization dawns on

0:17:18him that suddenly he's got to live a

0:17:19different day and he just falls into a

0:17:21deep depression about the fact that he

0:17:23has he no longer has the whole thing peg

0:17:25dsds to work it out on his own now he's

0:17:28used to getting up and walking down and

0:17:29turning on jeopardy and now something

0:17:31else is happening and the first time

0:17:34someone says hey there's that guy

0:17:36what you didn't say that oh no that's

0:17:39why i might he become so unpopular in

0:17:40the next day because the next day and

0:17:42jeopardise number not gonna know all the

0:17:43answers

0:17:44yeah this is a totally different episode

0:17:45of Jeopardy I I think that's why the

0:17:49last couple of scenes in the movie are

0:17:51really important it's really important

0:17:53to see him on the third and to see that

0:17:55he's and we can get into the philosophy

0:17:58of this later because i think that's

0:18:00that's one of the most important things

0:18:01about this movie but the when you see

0:18:05him at the end

0:18:05he's at peace right hehe has come to a

0:18:08point where he's a he's a piece he's

0:18:12he's that's it that's how he escaped

0:18:14loop essentially is that he perfects

0:18:16this day and and he moves on and and so

0:18:19I think it's super important he says I

0:18:21think we should live here you know what

0:18:23will rent to start you know and all that

0:18:25and that he seems ok because you're

0:18:27right the other way to view this is that

0:18:29he is a complete wreck because after

0:18:3110,000 years he's in another day and now

0:18:34he doesn't know what to do and that

0:18:35would be really depressing ending or

0:18:37third option

0:18:38he now has to live the third over and

0:18:40over again and I thought about that day

0:18:42all around hard day to the day after day

0:18:46after grandma 93 groundhog you to you

0:18:50know watching this is steven spending

0:18:51the first day of every third so he

0:18:53decided that this is one of the cruelest

0:18:55movies he had ever seen because it's

0:18:57always almost as first day and it never

0:18:58gets there the universe gave him a break

0:19:00the third was the day that they changed

0:19:02reels at the movie theater

0:19:04Heidi to imagine being trapped in that I

0:19:07love that joke is there but it's just

0:19:10sitting there for you to notice which is

0:19:11how you're trapped in the town where the

0:19:13only movie you can watch as Heidi to the

0:19:15only TV show you can watch you can watch

0:19:17that one episode of jeopardy but he

0:19:19learned to love Heidi too he did after a

0:19:22hundred-plus view exposed to anything

0:19:24that's one of the things are exposed to

0:19:26anything for long enough to learn all of

0:19:28its nuances like this town that he hates

0:19:31that hates going to he learns to love it

0:19:33but after after knowing it properly

0:19:36uh I i tried what we do these movies on

0:19:39the hot podcast i tried to take notes

0:19:41about what's going on and I i did like

0:19:43five of them and I i gave up because

0:19:45this is a movie that's impossible to

0:19:47chart on one level and on another level

0:19:50I've seen it so many times that I can I

0:19:52know what's in it so I i just kind of

0:19:54gave up because it's so weird because

0:19:56once we're in the time loop

0:19:57it's just you know really where replay

0:19:59events i always wonder that I assume

0:20:02they shot it where all of the different

0:20:03sequences were just shot in a row

0:20:05because you want everything to be

0:20:07exactly the same and that this must have

0:20:09been a very strange movie to shoot then

0:20:10because you're literally just doing

0:20:12eight variations on one scene 4 days and

0:20:16then you move on to the next set of

0:20:17scene so you're you know you're at the

0:20:19at the little gazebo where the where the

0:20:21groundhog is for three days and then

0:20:24you're off to punching net Ryerson for

0:20:27for three days and we'll Ramos said that

0:20:30about that scene with with phil and Ned

0:20:32Ryerson where they they had to be

0:20:34careful because every time they date

0:20:36they they showed this the scene they

0:20:38wanted the the fog be the same they

0:20:40wanted the lighting to be the same that

0:20:41time of day so they just you know we get

0:20:44up in the morning and they would do like

0:20:45shot after shot after shot after shot

0:20:47and each time Murray would be like well

0:20:49I'm gonna be sarcastic this time right

0:20:51I'm gonna be I'm gonna hug you this time

0:20:53and they would just keep doing it over

0:20:54and over again and then if it didn't get

0:20:56enough shoots shots in then they'd have

0:20:58to like you know take photos the sky and

0:21:00then wait till next day it was like that

0:21:02and they do a bunch more but he said

0:21:04yeah he said it was actually hard acting

0:21:06because you're like okay I got two

0:21:07different the last time rather than the

0:21:09same which is how you usually do when

0:21:10you act right

0:21:11mmm yeah very strange I've been a miner

0:21:15this is like sort of blending but not

0:21:17really

0:21:18they shot this movie in which documents

0:21:21to kill annoy which I've been to yes

0:21:24I've been in that town square and it is

0:21:26yeah well right Indian you're from

0:21:28Chicago and it's like every time I see

0:21:30you I'm like oh yeah I had a I had a hot

0:21:32chocolate and a doughnut at that bakery

0:21:34that's on the corner there and they did

0:21:36they actually have signs now of right

0:21:38raspberry this is where this is where

0:21:41Ned priors cut it simply was just bored

0:21:46here this is the puddle my high school

0:21:49used to a nice to play against

0:21:51woodstocks team in tournaments

0:21:53wow yeah amazing like famous yeah aren't

0:21:57letting me yet like i was ever a team to

0:21:59get a plumbing amazing so it's a cute

0:22:03too cute little town it's not my mom

0:22:05actually grew up next to Punxsutawney

0:22:07Pennsylvania but they didn't shoot it in

0:22:09Punxsutawney Pennsylvania once I learned

0:22:10it was Woodstock I can't see the movie

0:22:12now and think tanks on yeah I know stock

0:22:14III somebody on Twitter the other night

0:22:17was talking about how you can view this

0:22:20movie is Bill Murray progressively gets

0:22:23improves as a human being and so is a

0:22:26dip but he tries to get better

0:22:27where's chris elliott the more you know

0:22:29about him the more awful he is easter

0:22:32thought it was kind of talked about that

0:22:34on the

0:22:35I'm the holiday vault episode where this

0:22:36was brought up and I i reject the theory

0:22:38because I don't think he changes that

0:22:40much in the movie no I I think it's just

0:22:41revealed to us that using the more we

0:22:44learn about him the more awful he is

0:22:46right where she does really he tries to

0:22:49pick up Nancy poorly and then he shapes

0:22:53the waiter on the I'll get this exit and

0:22:56then he embarrasses himself at the

0:22:57bachelor auction

0:22:58yeah things that yeah that's true but

0:23:00that's not it that's not really it's not

0:23:01just all these he's an unattractive just

0:23:04appeal you know the way it is his fault

0:23:06the way that he sort of like tries to

0:23:08you know flex its muscles and dance

0:23:10around a little bit that's that's just

0:23:11icky i wouldn't care if he did have nice

0:23:13muscles that looks stupid but why like

0:23:17the idea of that sort of parallel

0:23:18timeline going on i just i don't see it

0:23:20that much

0:23:21although i don't think i don't think

0:23:22that that bill murray actually comes off

0:23:25as that awful at the beginning either

0:23:27mean he's clearly kind of a broken man

0:23:30but the worst he does really is he talks

0:23:33a little trash to Andie MacDowell

0:23:34clearly deserves it prima donnas he

0:23:36thinks he's a little bit you know higher

0:23:38and mightier than he is he thinks he's

0:23:40the talent and then he treats a chris

0:23:43elliott kind of poorly as well but then

0:23:44again you know it's true what most would

0:23:47not exactly a quick perhaps I actually

0:23:49was like crystals led in the role though

0:23:51I think he was good for ya

0:23:53he works very well he has one of my

0:23:55favorite one of my favorite lines in one

0:23:57of my favorite movies with lots of great

0:23:58lines is when fill in the groundhog

0:24:02drive off the great races into the into

0:24:05the quarry is a swell he might have

0:24:06survived and then there's a gigantic

0:24:08impossible explosion assistance as well

0:24:11probably not probably not now

0:24:14now now that's beautiful minus rod I

0:24:17didn't actually want to see this movie

0:24:18when it came out because for one thing

0:24:20the trailer made it look ridiculous

0:24:22because it showed scenes of him driving

0:24:23with the groundhog don't Drive Angry

0:24:25thing and then I was like oh chris

0:24:27elliott isn't it i I can't stand that

0:24:29guy I'm i refuse to see this movie and

0:24:31then when I was Andie McDowell's just

0:24:33like nope

0:24:33okay I'm out but eventually somebody

0:24:36wants me to watch all the signs were

0:24:38there that it would favor

0:24:40I'm starting to think you guys are not

0:24:41gonna be on board for the Hudson Hawk

0:24:43yeah Andy Miguel ok let's talk let's

0:24:50talk about the individual problems much

0:24:51and she's in several movies that i

0:24:54really like I still don't like her like

0:24:56I love for weddings and a funeral but i

0:24:58just cannot can't take her

0:25:00I i think there are things in this movie

0:25:03that made me laugh because I think

0:25:05they're very ending the dow like like

0:25:06the love of rhinestones and they're all

0:25:09these things that I think you know if

0:25:10this was me if this was make Ryan or

0:25:12some other kind of romantic comedy

0:25:13actress we would be like look like the

0:25:16quirks that sally has and when harry met

0:25:18sally right if those were the quirks of

0:25:20Rita here it would be like oh that's so

0:25:23adorable and instead they're also

0:25:24annoying she likes the French poetry and

0:25:27she has the sweet vermouth on the rocks

0:25:29is your favorite rain for god sake

0:25:32and.and she--and and wanted to post to

0:25:34like to toast to world peace and she

0:25:36goes oh hi mom when Bill Murray says he

0:25:38gives a prayer and social world peace

0:25:41and she live in altitude from the

0:25:44mountain back at high elevation I do

0:25:47think she's less offensively bad in this

0:25:49movie than most of the movies she's been

0:25:50in certainly because in this she's she's

0:25:53supposed to be kind of a big doofus

0:25:55so when she turns out to be one it

0:25:57actually works a little bit although she

0:25:59is still irritating but she does I think

0:26:00she does successfully pull off sweet

0:26:02yellow although it is it's it's kind of

0:26:05in a to brain-damaged for malice kind of

0:26:07way she's almost sort of an ethereal

0:26:10Pixie dream girl you know she's just

0:26:12she's just she's there to be an object

0:26:15to be adored I mean she's not really a

0:26:17character

0:26:18yeah you're right you're right i think

0:26:20there's there's a progression there we

0:26:21learn more about here but I think you're

0:26:23right in the sense that this is not a

0:26:24movie about

0:26:25Bill Murray learning who she is and

0:26:29appreciating who she is it's it's I mean

0:26:32it's about him perfecting himself but by

0:26:34being willing to learn about her not

0:26:36about her her i mean literally she can't

0:26:39grow right cuz ya groundhog day but I i

0:26:44I'm so I think that's I think that's

0:26:46fair i mean what we really see is Bill

0:26:48Murray learning to appreciate her for

0:26:49who she is given you know what little

0:26:52information he can clean on this one

0:26:54particularly well but she's also a the

0:26:57antithesis for his character the

0:26:59beginning right men that he's a jerk and

0:27:00sleazy and she's you know at heart a

0:27:03good nice simple person who who you

0:27:07can't dislike right and then it's just

0:27:09kind of like this is your everything

0:27:11she's not that's basically what his

0:27:13character was the beginning right this

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0:28:53the incomparable I think the one the one

0:28:56thing that bugs me a tiny little bit

0:28:58about this movie is the resolution when

0:29:00it comes to her because that last day

0:29:03for whatever reason she completely Falls

0:29:07for him in one day so she's known him

0:29:09for you know she's new with the new

0:29:10station but she's been there long enough

0:29:12to get an idea of who hear the person

0:29:14and then suddenly he makes an abrupt

0:29:16shift in acts different and just because

0:29:19he's nice to everybody else she

0:29:20completely Falls for him and it just

0:29:22seems a little bit and maybe maybe

0:29:24that's just she is that sweet and nice

0:29:26and perhaps a little bubble-headed that

0:29:28that's the kind of thing that she'll

0:29:29just go for I don't know

0:29:31yeah the last day is sort of problematic

0:29:32for a variety of reasons but i think

0:29:34that's the main well and we spend the

0:29:36whole movie with her not falling for

0:29:38that and not falling for him even when

0:29:40he does everything perfectly right

0:29:42staged and then you could argue that

0:29:46what makes her fall for him is not him

0:29:50it so it's not him trying to put the

0:29:52moves on it and then it's not him trying

0:29:54to do exactly what she thinks she wants

0:29:57to hear

0:29:58in the end the thing that gets her is

0:30:01him being in this community and

0:30:05understanding these people and knowing

0:30:07about them and sort of caring for them

0:30:09and being able to do the right things

0:30:10and being liked by them and so you could

0:30:12argue that in the end what winter / is

0:30:14that she didn't realize that when they

0:30:16go to Punxsutawney Pennsylvania he is

0:30:18completely beloved by all the people in

0:30:20the town and cares about all these you

0:30:23know strangers essentially so I mean I'm

0:30:26not sure I buy that but that that's the

0:30:27difference is that it she really

0:30:28impressed with how he works with the

0:30:30town more than when he's working on her

0:30:32and I could like a goodbye that if they

0:30:34were if they were there for several days

0:30:35but when you think about the amount of

0:30:37time he spends running around town

0:30:39making everybody else like him she only

0:30:41really sees him like that at that party

0:30:42scene at the end and then when they

0:30:44wander around town afterwards so exact

0:30:46wherewhere with them all day but she she

0:30:48sees him in the morning and she sees him

0:30:50again at night and the only thing that

0:30:51really mean sure all these people are

0:30:53coming up to him and say well he did all

0:30:55these great things during the day but

0:30:56she doesn't really know what those

0:30:57things are so why does you know and and

0:31:00the other thing is that makes me think

0:31:03that she's really falling for him

0:31:04because he can play the piano because

0:31:06the other stuff is so minor and that

0:31:09doesn't add much to her character for me

0:31:11why did he fall for her there's no he

0:31:12fell for her because she's the only one

0:31:14in town that he can't bet that's my

0:31:16that's my opinion to theory so your

0:31:18theory is that there's a whole series of

0:31:20scenes where he had sex with every other

0:31:21person in town yes i like and that's one

0:31:24of the reason for his attraction to her

0:31:25is because she's the only chickentown

0:31:27has no chance a point i don't know he he

0:31:29does say that the first time he saw her

0:31:31and this is when she's asleep so he has

0:31:32no reason to lie

0:31:33the first time he saw her she changed

0:31:35something in him and made him want to be

0:31:36better so I think that maybe groundhog

0:31:38day was just an opportunity for that to

0:31:41play itself out whereas if you didn't

0:31:42relive the steak and again he would have

0:31:44just like squash that down like we all

0:31:46do with so many good intention that I

0:31:48started I these made up that mythology

0:31:50in his own mind to explain why key by

0:31:53easy but that's not really it she's

0:31:55gonna tease been doing this for ten

0:31:57thousand years he's going to get some of

0:31:59the details wrong in the know about when

0:32:01he first met well that's an interesting

0:32:03point you'll notice for all his talk of

0:32:05falling in love with her at first sight

0:32:06he does not start in on her until he's

0:32:09already had his way with half if not all

0:32:11of the town do you think even remembers

0:32:13what it's like what temporary first was

0:32:15like does he know his old address may be

0:32:17that one needs to move to this town has

0:32:20not been a weatherman a long time and

0:32:23all the weather has been exactly the

0:32:24same so he's really out of practice

0:32:26yeah it doesn't know where the studio is

0:32:27c by fascinated by your theory juices

0:32:30are you positing that uh that Phil

0:32:33Connors has bedded the the tree of the

0:32:35trio of old ladies

0:32:37yes he's definitely been with them he

0:32:39was Doris the way to break in

0:32:40Robin ducal for a spin alrighty old hobo

0:32:43for a bit of variety Debbie the bride

0:32:45you absolutely girls are wearing yeah

0:32:47she's already having questions about her

0:32:49upcoming wedding that one of the

0:32:51brilliant things about this movie is

0:32:52that we really can there there are huge

0:32:54gaps here because this this is not

0:32:57anybody who has that trivia question

0:32:59like Erica said about how

0:33:00he loops are shown yes but the

0:33:03implication here is that there is a you

0:33:06know nearly infinite number of loops

0:33:07that we haven't seen that has allowed

0:33:09all sorts of crazy things to happen and

0:33:11I actually like the movie gets dark in

0:33:12the middle where he despairs that he

0:33:14goes through these various points it end

0:33:18up the process of being trapped in this

0:33:19day it is the learning i enjoy the the

0:33:23you know we can drive on the railroad

0:33:24tracks so i can get put in jail and it

0:33:26doesn't matter

0:33:27and then and then I can rob the better

0:33:29the armored car and it doesn't matter

0:33:32and yeah and then that aggression he

0:33:34goes through seems very very natural yes

0:33:37he gets he skis confused then he's

0:33:39panicked then he's despairing then he

0:33:41goes through like a risk-taking phase

0:33:43that he realizes you can take advantage

0:33:44of the situation and then there's a

0:33:46whole segment trying to bed and mcdowell

0:33:48which seems kind of ill-advised maybe

0:33:49still is risk-taking but whatever that

0:33:52he's depressed then he suicidally

0:33:55depressed then finally has resigned and

0:33:57decides he's willing to take a stab at

0:33:59redemption and that all kind of seems

0:34:00like a really organic way that most

0:34:04people would probably deal with this

0:34:05situation will he snap at the moment he

0:34:07snaps we're here where he steals the

0:34:09groundhog

0:34:09hey which is maybe my favorite thing in

0:34:11the movies like destroy the ground dog

0:34:14and and ends up going off the cliff at

0:34:17the quarry which also has a fascinating

0:34:19moment that I think maybe the only

0:34:21example of this video in the entire

0:34:22movie which is they see his dead body so

0:34:24the implication there is that the day

0:34:26continues whether he's alive or dead and

0:34:29then it resets oh no that's I want after

0:34:31he after jumping off the tower of the

0:34:33right okay don't you write writes that

0:34:35to their lease Oded seeing the dead body

0:34:38that's fascinating because it's like

0:34:39it's not just his perspective the whole

0:34:40day goes on but there's nobody there to

0:34:42observe it minute and then reset switch

0:34:44is fast me but I love that he in that in

0:34:46those depths he's that that he hits rock

0:34:50bottom and then realizes there's nothing

0:34:51you can do there's like literally

0:34:52nothing he can do to stop this in my

0:34:55dark head I you know I a fill-in extra

0:34:57days like there had to have been times

0:34:58where he went still some guns and went

0:35:00on shooting rampages okay yes I'm sure

0:35:02you've got much much darker but they had

0:35:04to cut that sort of you know he doesn't

0:35:05have that in a family we when you get

0:35:07right down to it when he's trying to bed

0:35:09and mcdowell that is actually really

0:35:11creepy

0:35:12oh yeah

0:35:13I was 40 yeah i mean eat when he's

0:35:15moving he's been pushing the right

0:35:17buttons right room and trying harder and

0:35:18harder it's it gets really damn

0:35:21uncomfortable for me and I didn't know

0:35:23if I was just watching it with the

0:35:242014-2015 eyes or if it felt that creepy

0:35:28one when i saw in the first in theater

0:35:30and I didn't remember it but that's

0:35:33awfully don't if you're still reading

0:35:342014 on your eyes

0:35:37no you're right no any and it's meant to

0:35:39be the idea there is that he is he is

0:35:42manipulating those situations he is

0:35:44robotic Lee laughs I i think it's a

0:35:47chilling scene where he is getting his

0:35:50rehearsing what he says to her at the

0:35:52bar and is there something wrong way and

0:35:54the world yeah anything he says he says

0:35:56like okay this remove remove you know

0:35:58what he's getting been toasted world

0:35:59peace right that is super creepy because

0:36:02that and that that's like the phase of

0:36:04of his relationship with her where there

0:36:06he's just trying to please her and say

0:36:08the right thing and it and it still

0:36:10doesn't work the the Isle of the moment

0:36:12also where he totally is freaked out and

0:36:15trying to rush through the snowball

0:36:16fight

0:36:17hey yeah really and i love the whole

0:36:20read a courtship exclusively because it

0:36:23gives the opportunity for them to show

0:36:25how on the first day as the extract some

0:36:28new tidbit of information from from from

0:36:30rita he sounds totally natural and then

0:36:32on subsequent repeats of the same lines

0:36:34they sound more and more force like he's

0:36:37reading from a script and it culminated

0:36:39in that that snowball fight scene where

0:36:41he's in the first scene is playful and

0:36:43he's having this that the fight with the

0:36:44kids and he's kind of you know it seems

0:36:46like he's having fun and then he goes

0:36:48out early manic in the last one that we

0:36:50see it's it's like a video game right i

0:36:52mean we we made this analogy earlier

0:36:53he's literally just going through steps

0:36:56and realizes if he doesn't trace retrace

0:36:58his steps he can't get to the next bit

0:37:01and it's gonna reset and he's gonna have

0:37:02to do it again and again it's like

0:37:04losing in the middle of a level and

0:37:05going back to the save point right so

0:37:07Leslie a compare this particular so

0:37:09great oh you guys unless there's some

0:37:12snowballs right we're going kids lots of

0:37:14kids posture your adoption it i like to

0:37:18go back for a second because i think one

0:37:21of my favorite things from just a

0:37:22character standpoint is the risk-taking

0:37:24phase because

0:37:26so many people in movies get stuck in

0:37:28weird twilight zone environments and

0:37:31they never investigate what the rules

0:37:34are of their reality but he has to and I

0:37:37really appreciate seeing a kick your

0:37:39character say alright well it's a

0:37:42basically has a checklist

0:37:44well what happens if I die okay what

0:37:47happens if i stay up all night

0:37:48nope alright he's like defining for

0:37:52himself the rules of his world while the

0:37:54same time defining for the character

0:37:55that excuse me

0:37:56defining for the audience what the rules

0:37:58are and i would like more people to do

0:38:00that when they're in crazy nutso world

0:38:03has happened so often in movies i wanted

0:38:05to say about the repeated scenes where

0:38:07we see things sort of change aspect I i

0:38:09think that's that's a huge that says a

0:38:12lot about Bill Murray's acting

0:38:13capability i think he really does a

0:38:16fantastic job in this just some of them

0:38:19are very subtle I mean that as he's you

0:38:21know repeatedly coming in and doing the

0:38:22vermouth and then the world peace thing

0:38:24it's it's just fascinating to me how

0:38:27those those repeated lines he does such

0:38:30a good job of making it clear that he's

0:38:32you know he's just kind of going through

0:38:33the motions of that part because he

0:38:34knows how this part works and and the

0:38:38other thing i want to say about his is

0:38:40acting in this film is a when Phil Marie

0:38:42tries to be emotional

0:38:44he usually doesn't really bad job he

0:38:47usually either seems like he's he's

0:38:48sarcastic or he's just being straight-up

0:38:50psychotic like Scrooge i think is the

0:38:53best example where you know he has a big

0:38:55turnaround at the end of screwed and he

0:38:57seems like he should be locked up

0:39:00yeah once he's been redeemed he seems

0:39:02like you know he's totally manic and

0:39:04he's frightening more than he is you

0:39:06know heartwarming but in this movie he

0:39:08really does i think a really great job

0:39:10of pulling off the emoting he's he does

0:39:13the like even the the kind of ridiculous

0:39:15speeches like that when you stand in the

0:39:18snow you look like an angel that comes

0:39:20off is really real and I was completely

0:39:22unaware before this movie that pit bill

0:39:24murray was actually capable of that even

0:39:27is little to his long declaration of

0:39:29love for reading while she's asleep i

0:39:30think that works like gangbusters

0:39:32yeah so although i keep saying to myself

0:39:34oh if only were not and even tell that

0:39:37he was talking about it

0:39:38don't I really don't like her I think

0:39:40it's a testament to this movie how much

0:39:42i love this movie that I i love it even

0:39:44though Andy McDowell is the is the the

0:39:47romantic lead here because i don't like

0:39:50her I don't I don't I don't I do does

0:39:54say repeatedly series mean maybe it's

0:39:56the Heidi to effect and the reason the

0:39:58hands up liking her so much is simply

0:40:00because he spends all that time with her

0:40:02and just gets used to it like everybody

0:40:04else in town maybe she reminds him of

0:40:06hiding his favorite think it's possible

0:40:09that doesn't make sense

0:40:11she's a handwriting remind him of

0:40:12everything at that point mm you know I i

0:40:16do think this is the perfect moon match

0:40:18of a character to an actor in bill

0:40:19murray in anyway don't know in bill

0:40:22murray that that you want the the fact

0:40:24that it's the cynical weatherman and

0:40:26that he starts off in a place where he's

0:40:28not he's not a horrible human being but

0:40:30he's not in a good place his priorities

0:40:32are all screwed up

0:40:34he doesn't know what he wants he's

0:40:35unhappy and uh and then ya see if you're

0:40:39totally right hehe takes this he takes

0:40:41this journey and it was really

0:40:43well-suited to what what Bill Murray's

0:40:45good at and then when he gets them the

0:40:47moment where you where he's finally

0:40:48perfected this day and show some genuine

0:40:52emotion that isn't you know anchor or

0:40:55mania that that uh that it is it's it

0:40:59comes across well i agree and he doesn't

0:41:02become an angel he still recognizably

0:41:04Bill Murray

0:41:05yeah like I if you walked in saw

0:41:07somebody playing the piano like that

0:41:09with those sunglasses back i don't i

0:41:13thought that that last day that's when

0:41:15the other things that always bugged me

0:41:16about the last days that he still kind

0:41:18of an arrogant jerk and he had more

0:41:21crazy night last at last seriously he

0:41:24kept getting better and better and like

0:41:25a nicer guy and everything else in the

0:41:27last days kinda like he's very smug and

0:41:29I always bugged me so here's another

0:41:31theory that I have which is the it's not

0:41:35about the perfect day right

0:41:37it's about getting the perfect ending to

0:41:39the perfect day and he reaches the point

0:41:41where he's he is there with read at the

0:41:44end and is not putting like putting the

0:41:47moves on her

0:41:48he's happy to be there with her

0:41:51and it has resigned that he's gonna

0:41:53reset and he's gonna lose everything I

0:41:55if I've got my theory for why it moves

0:41:58to februari third it's that which is

0:42:00that's that's what gets him over the

0:42:02edge is that in the end he's not doing

0:42:04anything in that last moment with her

0:42:06that is that is any of his game playing

0:42:10but from before or particularly selfish

0:42:12he sort of like he's content and

0:42:14in-the-moment yeah he's happy to spend

0:42:15that time with her he reaches the be

0:42:17here now sort of philosophy that we get

0:42:19the ramdev philosophy which my dad

0:42:21always tells me he finally gets to that

0:42:23point where he's not wishing it was a

0:42:24different day he is comfortable where he

0:42:26is and you know its enlightenment in a

0:42:28way so he moves on however throughout

0:42:30none of this does he ever eat the

0:42:32chocolates on the nightstand

0:42:34what kind of monster is he haha i assume

0:42:37that he's had the you know the the giant

0:42:40the giant brunch or lunch at the diner

0:42:43every day

0:42:44those are probably fresh chocolates on

0:42:46his nightstand each night he's probably

0:42:48in the date the morning chocolates and

0:42:50the maid is coming and put our table

0:42:52doesn't eat the chocolates immediately

0:42:54when walking in the room I think he's

0:42:56had those chocolates thousands of time

0:42:58beer propane-burning yeah he's a little

0:43:00liars Jocelyn's he's eating them a

0:43:02thousand times he's pooped about a

0:43:03thousand yeah i know not if he eats them

0:43:06at the end of the day might actually end

0:43:07up pooping at all for 10,000 years it's

0:43:10possible that there is going to be

0:43:12unpinned and then morning before this

0:43:14for me

0:43:15yeah poor read almost his alcoholism not

0:43:17having warm water for that entire time

0:43:19yeah follow through on the ram dass note

0:43:22i really like the idea this is the story

0:43:23of him learning to live in the moment

0:43:25when he's been forced to live

0:43:27essentially in one moment forever

0:43:30mmhmm yeah but he ultimately makes his

0:43:33peace with it and that's what gets him

0:43:35out of it yeah i think so very very

0:43:37Buddhist what what yeah absolutely

0:43:39what do you think about so one of the

0:43:43obviously the philosophical implications

0:43:45here are fascinating what do you think

0:43:48about the choice to have no clear

0:43:51mechanism for him getting in or out of

0:43:53this I i love it but I I'm just curious

0:43:56that we never there's never an

0:43:58explanation in this movie it's kind of

0:43:59refreshing to me but there's no we all

0:44:01just get to make it up i watch this with

0:44:03Stephen who had never seen this movie

0:44:05for and the the one thing that he said

0:44:06when the movie ended he threw his hands

0:44:09in the air innocent us he was not sure

0:44:14that he could handle not knowing where

0:44:15to me that the questions never even

0:44:17occurred to me maybe it did the first

0:44:18time I saw and I just forgot about that

0:44:20but i like not knowing that means it's

0:44:23not just why did this day get repeated

0:44:25that's why did the universe or fate or

0:44:27whatever pick this particular porsche

0:44:29love for this torturous Redemption does

0:44:31this happen to everybody at some point

0:44:32in their life or is it just this guy for

0:44:34some reason and because you don't know

0:44:36why it started you get to make up for

0:44:38yourself why it ended with i think makes

0:44:40the end of the movie much more

0:44:41interesting

0:44:42yeah yeah i mean it would to me it would

0:44:45ruin the whole movie for someone to say

0:44:46this is exactly what happened why he got

0:44:48out of it because if you set that up it

0:44:51serve takes all the mystery out of it in

0:44:52android i I'm like Jason glad that they

0:44:56never say a thing about it it would make

0:44:58it mechanical and I feel like the the

0:45:00beauty of this movie is that it really

0:45:01flows well i think it works really well

0:45:04without it i think it could work with it

0:45:06the movie edge of tomorrow which

0:45:08recently came out the tom cruise movie

0:45:10with this exact plot was actually really

0:45:13good and it does have an explanation for

0:45:15it but it but that was the worst part of

0:45:17the whole movie I thought huh

0:45:18explanation was the worst part of the

0:45:22source code is a similar kind of theme

0:45:24and I enjoyed that movie too

0:45:25oh yeah me too there's a great novel i'm

0:45:27going to mention it i think i put my

0:45:29plug it when we did the holiday ball

0:45:30episode 2 called replay by a guy named

0:45:34Ken Grimwood and it's about somebody who

0:45:38gets thrown back in time like 30 years

0:45:41in his life and lives it over again and

0:45:43gets to the same moment and then gets

0:45:44thrown back in time like 28 years in his

0:45:47life so weak his cycle keeps getting

0:45:48closer but he's reliving his chunk of

0:45:51his life over and over again and have

0:45:54and it's from like nineteen ninety or

0:45:56personally predates 19 or meet the

0:45:59ladies it predates this movie but it's

0:46:02similar kind of themes except there

0:46:03you've got a much longer time scale and

0:46:05so you can you can see sort of like how

0:46:07your decisions play out over time rather

0:46:09than here

0:46:11Bill Murray has no I mean he's he's

0:46:13trapped here there's nothing he can do

0:46:15that has any lasting impact which is a

0:46:17little bit different but I love

0:46:18I love having that that approach and I

0:46:20do love that that is completely open to

0:46:24interpretation is very clear that he he

0:46:27sets on this journey of self-improvement

0:46:28and the end he gets out of it so you

0:46:32know i don't i don't know I maybe

0:46:34everybody in this world lives through

0:46:37that right on i think that's enough even

0:46:39though our protagonist is an infinite

0:46:41stalker

0:46:42this isn't romantic fantasy well and in

0:46:45this unit area that mean you can't leave

0:46:47so he stalks everybody in town once you

0:46:50know exactly where everyone is

0:46:53yeah i think that if I think I don't

0:46:55think he starts out as a stalker I think

0:46:57he developed into a stalker because he's

0:46:59been on this day yes I was in dreams

0:47:01yeah we go stalk that guy down with your

0:47:04story right so I'm gonna hang out with

0:47:07this guide for the next year you know

0:47:09everything about him and tell you bored

0:47:11with him so I think it's kind of a

0:47:13developed stockers yeah he probably

0:47:15rummages through everyone's house where

0:47:16they're not home right now he had enough

0:47:19time to he probably did and you know

0:47:21that's one of the things that about this

0:47:22movie watching it

0:47:24this is the first time I've seen it in

0:47:25years and I I I didn't feel as warm and

0:47:30fuzzy about it as I did the way back

0:47:32then and I keep coming back to mi older

0:47:35and wiser now or am I just words i'm

0:47:38just looking through it through more

0:47:39cynical eyes or was it or you know I

0:47:42just do I just don't know but it is the

0:47:45I do see such darkness in the character

0:47:48that i almost have trouble coming to the

0:47:51end of the movie when he's redeemed and

0:47:53and a a good guy again is it helps to

0:47:57think about you think about it on on the

0:47:59scale

0:48:00I mean throughout somebody's life you

0:48:02know safe 50 or 60 years that person is

0:48:05not necessarily the same person that

0:48:07they were from when they were young you

0:48:08know maybe they did something terrible

0:48:09in your twenties and then you know

0:48:11redeem themself i don't think i would

0:48:13necessarily judge a 65 year old person

0:48:15on what they were doing when they were

0:48:17in their twenties in this case is dark

0:48:19period could be three and a half

0:48:21thousand years from the end of the movie

0:48:23where he gets his Redemption so for me

0:48:25I'm able to sort of mitigate it in that

0:48:27way

0:48:28yeah he's certainly burn this town down

0:48:30a few times murdering everybody sure and

0:48:33some somebody in the chat room is asking

0:48:34about the boundaries of the magical zone

0:48:36i had actually one of the brilliant

0:48:37things in here is its implied that

0:48:39because of the blizzard that hit just

0:48:41out of sight outside of town and cut off

0:48:43all the long-distance lines and all of

0:48:44those things that essentially

0:48:46punxsutawney is in a bubble and it's cut

0:48:48off by the weather from the outside

0:48:50world but it has the net effect of it

0:48:52being that he can't leave town

0:48:54he is trapped in this time bubble for

0:48:57all eternity essentially Whelan

0:49:00yeah in fact even say during the movie

0:49:02that the blizzards basically shutting

0:49:04off all everything from the outside

0:49:05world but it misses the talent

0:49:07completely completely yea even

0:49:09communications you know he can't get a

0:49:11long-distance line which is watching at

0:49:12this time made me giggle at things

0:49:14different

0:49:15this could have been a very very

0:49:16different movie had his head the day

0:49:18changed februari third right after one

0:49:21of his killing spree de mi yeah I

0:49:24thought of that every time for his death

0:49:26right i mean that boy he was willing to

0:49:28die because you need to be out of there

0:49:30but we've been like up and then it was

0:49:32the next day

0:49:33oh well we'll never know why he did that

0:49:35it's possible that there are 10,000

0:49:37years worth of alternate realities

0:49:39spawned by each of those days

0:49:41very nice I anybody have any words for

0:49:44uh for Stephen Tobolowsky as Ned Ryerson

0:49:47every this is my kids favorite thing in

0:49:49the entire movie is when he said this

0:49:51Ned and punches punches Stephen

0:49:54Tobolowsky in the face it in riga so am

0:49:57i right am i right all right

0:49:58am I right or am i right right i think

0:50:00it was probably a bad idea for Stephen

0:50:02Tobolowsky to be so great in this

0:50:04because i'm certain that for the rest of

0:50:06his life

0:50:07this is how people come up to him and

0:50:09greet him right oh yeah I know any he's

0:50:12been in hundreds of films and this is

0:50:14this is you know that what you're known

0:50:16for I'm a crybaby does that mean the

0:50:18other an actor to have a role that's so

0:50:20iconic that people come up to you and

0:50:22talk about it all the time when they

0:50:23talk about yes but specifically a

0:50:25character who runs up to people and the

0:50:28costs them

0:50:30people are running up to him and costing

0:50:32him

0:50:33yes because I've been playing a

0:50:35memorable polite character it's just

0:50:37great it's just a great little bit i

0:50:38love i love that bryerson it's just it's

0:50:41just crazy and hey watch out for that

0:50:45first step it's a doozy your other

0:50:51favorite one is one that they don't

0:50:53repeat it nearly as many times but it's

0:50:55a guy on the stairs at the beginning

0:50:56haseeno says off to see the groundhog

0:50:58and that actor actually was a

0:51:01short-lived sitcom called Herman's head

0:51:02that yes I remember him from alongside

0:51:05the voice of lisa simpson and and he had

0:51:09area Molly Kagan we all know the full

0:51:10cast and jelly time it's really this is

0:51:13handling guys so she's also in down

0:51:16periscope anyway but anyway so that at

0:51:21the last time where Bill Murray gives

0:51:24that the little speech about it about it

0:51:26and he just liked the look on his face

0:51:28as Bill Murray walks away down the

0:51:30stairs like yeah he's straightened

0:51:32himself up and use has this big grand

0:51:33and that's where I first really start

0:51:35seeing that bill murray's making a

0:51:36positive or has the ability to make a

0:51:38real positive impact on the town

0:51:41it's even just just little things like

0:51:42this it works yeah I like baby yeah he

0:51:45created the he quotes the French poetry

0:51:47at him and that's what is no man-made

0:51:50that is yeah well that this is the kind

0:51:52of thing where you look at the cast list

0:51:53minutes and he's man in hallway and you

0:51:55think well that is just like a throwaway

0:51:56it's like nope he's got a lot of stuff

0:51:58to do is manage hallway because we see

0:52:01that seemed you know good eight or nine

0:52:03times amazing i want to throw in a few

0:52:08good words for Gus and Ralph yes do come

0:52:12and who I remember from I can't even say

0:52:14he was well he was in spaceballs right

0:52:17ya think he's one of the dark helmet

0:52:20students and he's an even and and die

0:52:22hard and a lot of other things you know

0:52:24over the over the years Rickman and and

0:52:27the other guy who I recognized but I

0:52:29can't think of what it all was in and I

0:52:31love those guys those are the guys that

0:52:33there's the classic line like what would

0:52:34you guys do if every day was the same is

0:52:36via the last and has no meaning to

0:52:39commit to the like

0:52:41pretty much sums it up for me yeah yes

0:52:43oh that's the most heartbreaking moment

0:52:45my feelings for me

0:52:47I mean that you know i'm i'm too drunk

0:52:48to drive my car and I'll Drive you and

0:52:50then and then at if I wanted to run into

0:52:52you in 24 mailboxes I couldn't

0:52:54clarifications people don't matta

0:52:58district do command is prison guard in

0:53:00space ball haha yeah that's it there you

0:53:02go

0:53:02I just remember him with wacky makeup

0:53:05and stuff and ya know whatever get

0:53:06advantage about something like that how

0:53:08now we didn't we drop the Herman's head

0:53:10reference we're good for the rest of the

0:53:13episode anyway I love those guys they're

0:53:14not they're not around much after that

0:53:16but i I just I i love that he spend that

0:53:20time with them in the bowling alley and

0:53:21that they have the it there's this

0:53:23commentary on how you know they're

0:53:25living life as if it was in that loop

0:53:27where it's always the same sort of thing

0:53:29I also like how they suddenly even

0:53:31through the drunken stupor get concerned

0:53:33about them dying as the car chases

0:53:36killing you oh yeah don't drive on the

0:53:39railroad tracks

0:53:40that's what I happen to agree with my

0:53:43favorite part of that is don't mix beer

0:53:44and wine ever headline cracks me up

0:53:48everytime let me ask you something about

0:53:49the final day

0:53:50alright do you think he robbed the bank

0:53:53on that day know where did you get those

0:53:56wrestlemania tickets

0:53:57mm you might still have a credit card

0:54:01yeah WrestleMania is coming out of you

0:54:02forward that how did you forward a

0:54:04thousand-dollar piano lesson on every

0:54:06water cash remember because he gave it

0:54:08he gave it to the old guy early in the

0:54:11movie so he had massive out Cashin as

0:54:14well this isn't 1910 the ATM machine

0:54:16still work

0:54:17yeah no I don't want the lines of my

0:54:20wives going but that's when the blizzard

0:54:22hits before the blizzard there's there's

0:54:23there's no problem and I thought about

0:54:25the piano lessons was that you know the

0:54:27first day he goes he offers a thousand

0:54:29dollars if it was me the next day i

0:54:31would offer 800 ya see how that might

0:54:33just keep pulling it down till you get

0:54:34to the point where you know she's gonna

0:54:35say no and then that's your baseline

0:54:37just me piano lessons on the last day

0:54:39but he's no he has to take some other

0:54:41veggies are proud of your right you're

0:54:43right that that poor piano student is so

0:54:45devastated every to Bhutan ceremoniously

0:54:48from her lesson

0:54:49hey you're right you're right i i i

0:54:52don't know i don't think he is allowed

0:54:54to

0:54:54rob the bank and get to the next day I

0:54:57think he I think it's a good that's a

0:54:59very good question now but I don't think

0:55:00it's allowed i feel good almost be a

0:55:02waste of time because he has to sit

0:55:03there for a while watching them doing

0:55:05that and he's got a lot of other stuff

0:55:06to do you have it timed out so he

0:55:07doesn't have to spend that time like you

0:55:09played the level often enough you know

0:55:11when the fireballs coming he's got that

0:55:13sweet sweet weatherman money he doesn't

0:55:15need around the Pacific he needs to be

0:55:16done this game

0:55:17yeah he's doing fine so something I

0:55:19noticed this time that I maybe I didn't

0:55:22notice before but i didn't pay as close

0:55:23attention to is how good the direction

0:55:25and the cinematography and editing our I

0:55:29mean there are some scenes here that are

0:55:31just so well done there's that super

0:55:33close up shot of the clock numbers

0:55:35turning over which i think is really

0:55:36messing in the whole movie when it's

0:55:39just you know that when they actually

0:55:39built a model that that they could get

0:55:42real for a video of the clock radio as

0:55:45that as the time changes from 559 26 and

0:55:47it's that's a great shot

0:55:49I love the starkness of the scene where

0:55:51where Phil is reciting the DJ speech in

0:55:54bed on one of his dark days he looks so

0:55:57motherly haunted as he saying it's cold

0:55:59out there every day no yeah no good and

0:56:03the the cameras kind of pulling back

0:56:05from is though it's like we're repelled

0:56:07by his his sadness and then I never

0:56:11noticed this before but he he goes

0:56:13through the whole sequence where the old

0:56:15guys you know dying repeatedly from old

0:56:17age and there's the scenery is trying to

0:56:19resuscitate them out in the snow and it

0:56:23the camera pulls back after he tries to

0:56:25breathe you know some breath into him

0:56:27and you can see the steam from that

0:56:29breath kind of escaping on the breeze up

0:56:32into the air and that is just such

0:56:34genius cinematography right there and

0:56:36and of course there isn't a you know a

0:56:38subsequent breath as he kinda looks

0:56:39around and looks up at the sky as though

0:56:41you know why did this happen but it's so

0:56:43lovely

0:56:44well that and at that moment that whole

0:56:46sequence where he's trying to take care

0:56:48of the of the the old man is wonderful

0:56:52because that's the moment where he

0:56:54realizes that he's severely limited in

0:56:58what he can do like there's some things

0:56:59you can't change

0:57:00he's not a god at that point that's

0:57:02that's when he knows yeah it is a little

0:57:05weird that he keeps calling him father

0:57:07dad and I kind of wished you would've

0:57:09gotten the guys name at some point I

0:57:11don't know what does unless a mock

0:57:13anything yeah yeah maybe yeah I'll i do

0:57:17like the scene where he just keeps

0:57:18feeding him soup but I think that's

0:57:20going down there get far down there at

0:57:22the bottom up but yeah that's so good

0:57:25what else should we talk about about

0:57:27this i like I said my notes are sort of

0:57:29like a they just keep repeating things

0:57:31over and over again highlighting my

0:57:33notes to and and like often happens with

0:57:35these movies that we watch that i love

0:57:36all i do is end up just writing down all

0:57:38the quotes that I know and love anyway

0:57:40just because I like them

0:57:42I'm betting he's gonna swerve first

0:57:45oh my favorite one of my favorites is

0:57:51the have killed myself so many times I

0:57:53don't even exist anymore house i think

0:57:55that that is such a plaintiff the moment

0:57:58it is so bleak that it's which is the

0:58:01one line captures the mood of all of

0:58:03those scenes right there that's the

0:58:04annihilation of the self that is like he

0:58:06has to basically except that he's

0:58:09nothing and then he can start to put

0:58:12something together but it

0:58:14yeah i mean this this is I I think

0:58:16that's a really great example of a disc

0:58:18or one of the others core while of this

0:58:20movie is that it is both meaningful and

0:58:23funny at the same time which is really

0:58:27really hard to do and this movie does it

0:58:30like you know Bill Murray

0:58:31oh it's wacky Bill Murray and it is a

0:58:33frilly funny movie and yet at the same

0:58:35time it gets really dark and it is it's

0:58:38meaningful it's about somebody trying to

0:58:40search for meaning and like being given

0:58:42this opportunity that is a blessing and

0:58:44a curse to understand like why you know

0:58:47who people are and appreciating other

0:58:49people and and that's that you know

0:58:51that's a perfect example of its a very

0:58:53funny moment at the same time it is a

0:58:55super meaningful moment there are

0:58:57moments when it manages really a good

0:58:58heartbreak to like that after his big

0:59:01heartfelt speech to read in bed that

0:59:03first time when you hear that click of

0:59:05the clock turning over and then freakin

0:59:07bono is back

0:59:08it's like being stabbed in the gut but

0:59:10you're thinking how could he did it

0:59:12this was all about help help ok and you

0:59:15know character good character

0:59:16development is something that is

0:59:17important for for excellent films but i

0:59:20think very

0:59:20few films hang everything on the

0:59:23development of a character the way that

0:59:25this movie does that's that's really the

0:59:27whole point of all of it and this could

0:59:29have been Jim Belushi and michael caine

0:59:31and mr. destiny and why you got a chip

0:59:37on his podcast by raising Jim Belushi's

0:59:39that after my repeated grease two

0:59:41references you get mad at him nice I

0:59:45question the ice sculpting lessons I

0:59:47think that was probably a waste of time

0:59:49that seems a little odd doesn't it mhm

0:59:51and education is never a waste Jason if

0:59:53you got that much time

0:59:54what a cool thing to be able to there's

0:59:56a chainsaw and their blocks of ice why

0:59:58not pay bribe the guy

0:59:58not pay bribe the guy

1:00:00they teach you how to do some my

1:00:01sculpting he's gonna be sculpted nice

1:00:02today anyway and Bill Murray's he's

1:00:04actually using the chainsaw at one point

1:00:06which is pre-cut pretty good but she

1:00:08just kind of cutting cutting slots into

1:00:10the right they still a change huh

1:00:13and they went back to that like three or

1:00:15four times during the movie right

1:00:17oh we're back to the high school team

1:00:18again yeah that's a weird one but the

1:00:21thing is that with all these new skills

1:00:23he's got you know that you know on

1:00:25subsequent days nowadays out of the time

1:00:26loop he's still going to be kind of a

1:00:28stud mean he's a guy who can i sculpt

1:00:30and play the piano and you can sculpt

1:00:32one head all right yeah let's just

1:00:34sculpt you know you're usually too many

1:00:36teenage on the Eagle right all right

1:00:39yeah maybe skills know maybe boy talk

1:00:43about hell you're trapped listening to

1:00:45the morning zoo every morning and seeing

1:00:47terrible jokes they're ready badge but

1:00:50that's what it's like listening to a

1:00:52morning zoo in real life though the

1:00:55rotating new jokes you never had the

1:00:57best elementary school and high school

1:00:59they they had the morning zoo on and i

1:01:01think i have no escape

1:01:03okay campers rise and shine well that's

1:01:05what that's what makes that morning

1:01:07scene so have such impact is that

1:01:10everybody's ever listen to morning radio

1:01:11is like yes this is exactly how it goes

1:01:14right yeah no I have a theory that I

1:01:16first noticed for the first time in this

1:01:18one on his last day something changes

1:01:22before the end because its nose when he

1:01:26and Anna MacDonald are outside and we

1:01:27had never seen that before which I never

1:01:30noticed in the past but this time i

1:01:31noticed Bill Murray's reaction to it

1:01:33when it starts snowing

1:01:34he looks visibly surprise like this is

1:01:37something different so I i think that

1:01:39maybe at that point he somehow knew or

1:01:43suspected at least that it was it was

1:01:45finally over

1:01:47it's because there's a butterfly in

1:01:48South America also having the same day

1:01:51over and over again

1:01:52it finally figured out what to do that's

1:01:55a chaos theory joka its rightful is it

1:01:58thanks for explaining that to me that's

1:01:59why is your funny fashion culture is

1:02:03implanted them all

1:02:04yeah male Andie McDowell we should do a

1:02:09movie together okay

1:02:10yes they should because and you

1:02:12complained about me talking about

1:02:13involution all right some people got to

1:02:15do their favorite lines i'm throwing

1:02:16mine okay do a tie for me it's a tie

1:02:18between I don't know where you're headed

1:02:20but can you call in sick and what do you

1:02:26say what do you say you little brat you

1:02:28have never thank me tomorrow i love that

1:02:31yeah I could just runs away with this

1:02:32big smile on his face every single time

1:02:35i'll see you tomorrow maybe maybe 51 out

1:02:39of 10 times I just let you die

1:02:41yeah actually my all-time favorite line

1:02:44is yes but my father was a piano mover

1:02:47we don't know why I had an ex-boyfriend

1:02:49for you that line all the time and it's

1:02:52just cracked me up ever since

1:02:53yeah I'm with jason i think my favorite

1:02:55is well no probably not now

1:02:59yeah it's very light you could still be

1:03:02a lot that is great my favorite line

1:03:04isn't one of the funny ones i just it

1:03:06always gets me when he says not today

1:03:08like this is my day

1:03:11oh that's right when he started dying

1:03:12that's why I just died yeah oh yeah

1:03:14that's a great line very possessive of

1:03:17his day more than of his town I think

1:03:19well what if there is no tomorrow there

1:03:21wasn't one today

1:03:24don't you worry about cholesterol I

1:03:26don't worry about anything anything

1:03:27that's what makes me so special that

1:03:31scene isn't simultaneously my most and

1:03:33least favorite scene of the movie

1:03:35because that spread of food there and

1:03:37just off of all of the things that he is

1:03:39able to do in the movie i think just

1:03:41being able to eat all of that stuff is

1:03:44the one thing that I'm the most jealous

1:03:45of and I don't like what that says about

1:03:47myself but it's true i mean you totally

1:03:49do that if there's absolutely no

1:03:51consequences to anything

1:03:53then why wouldn't you do it because you

1:03:55know nothing's going to change that mean

1:03:57that that's what the whole movies about

1:03:58is you can literally do anything it

1:03:59doesn't it doesn't matter

1:04:01I going out jump off the clock tower

1:04:03doesn't matter

1:04:04yeah i mean watching watching this thing

1:04:06it makes me you know wistful about we're

1:04:09wishing i had more time to learn the

1:04:10piano don't learn to draw all that yeah

1:04:13you know he has that he has this

1:04:15he's at the he gets past the I want to

1:04:18get something from these other people

1:04:20stop moments and he gets into the I want

1:04:23to learn all this stuff and do all of

1:04:25this really cool stuff

1:04:26and that's that's the that's the

1:04:29bittersweet thing for me it's not so

1:04:30much the the the spread of pastry but

1:04:34the the stuff that he gets to do that i

1:04:40will never have all the time that I want

1:04:42to do that's one of my favorite parts of

1:04:43the movie is that there's this

1:04:44underlying theme of what would you do if

1:04:46you had all the time in the world and

1:04:49you know and he was never gonna run out

1:04:50right

1:04:51learn to be an ice sculptor but there's

1:04:52a limited number of things in the town

1:04:54for him to use as resources and it's not

1:04:57as turn that exists so you can only you

1:05:00can only read the books that are in the

1:05:01library or bookstore

1:05:02yeah I imagine he's read every book at

1:05:04the library there's only one diner and

1:05:06they serve exactly the same meal in

1:05:08exactly the same way every single day

1:05:10yeah you probably think of those

1:05:12pastries pretty quick but we know he did

1:05:14not learn to become a great chef on this

1:05:16day actually one of the things that's

1:05:19funny is that if that if if the diner

1:05:21literally has the same food every day

1:05:25you could be like I want that pastry on

1:05:27the left because that's a good that's

1:05:29the goodness a good one you really have

1:05:31literally no that that was the good

1:05:33pastry but even if you order something

1:05:35off the menu it's going to be made

1:05:36exactly the same way unless you run back

1:05:38into the kitchen and then you know throw

1:05:40some salt in there so but i do like the

1:05:41idea that you might have a favorite

1:05:42donut my tree house that's a good donut

1:05:46you gotta get that don't but you gotta

1:05:47get it right away because then this

1:05:48other guys gonna order that donut if you

1:05:50don't get in line right away so you got

1:05:52to get that done before he does like

1:05:54that the perfect donut

1:05:55i goddamn orchestrated nobody ever

1:05:57orders the pastry know it's gonna be

1:05:59there at the end of the day they'll give

1:06:00it to give it to you at the end of the

1:06:01day to come in

1:06:02that's a certain thing they just give it

1:06:03to you that that is the meaning of this

1:06:05movie the true meaning of this movie is

1:06:06if you understand all the food at the

1:06:08diner then you can finally be at peace

1:06:12you're right he's a total mess on

1:06:13februari third disney and probably for

1:06:16weeks or months afterwards he's he's a

1:06:19mess

1:06:20what people are saying things I don't

1:06:21expect and don't understand he's

1:06:23probably gonna get hit by a car because

1:06:25not even used to looking both ways when

1:06:26crossing the center because we know

1:06:28what's wrong with others are that's why

1:06:29he needs reader reader needs to take

1:06:31care of him

1:06:32yeah she strikes me as the kind of

1:06:33person who would be ok with that with

1:06:35her sweet vermouth on the ice just fire

1:06:37some rice rhinestones will be happy that

1:06:39this

1:06:40this conversation we've we've spent a

1:06:42lot of time you know dissecting and

1:06:43cutting way deep into this and finding

1:06:46all the darkest resource recesses of

1:06:48this movie

1:06:49welcome to the uncomfortable tip all

1:06:52about dark recesses here we've poked all

1:06:54kinds of holes in the redemption arc and

1:06:56still we love the redemption arc well

1:06:59it's true it feels true true to itself

1:07:01and even though

1:07:04well I think we can ask questions about

1:07:05it because there's a lot of this that is

1:07:07open to interpretation but i think it at

1:07:13its core it is true it is true to itself

1:07:15it is you can overlook because it's so

1:07:18kind of hazy and weird you can overlook

1:07:21some of the the specifics and just you

1:07:26know i I don't I can't watch this movie

1:07:28without feeling like it is it is earned

1:07:31the the journey that takes I think the

1:07:34thing for me is that every single person

1:07:36has a certain amount of darkness and

1:07:38them and if you found yourself in this

1:07:41situation you know maybe not you

1:07:42specifically but i think a lot of people

1:07:44would go through and do some of the same

1:07:46awful things that he finds himself going

1:07:48through have systemic time if not you

1:07:52know all i know is sometimes when I'm

1:07:54dreaming i realize i'm dreaming and in

1:07:56the lucid dream state when I realized oh

1:07:59I can do anything and the world is

1:08:01completely controlled by my imagination

1:08:03is a good thing to do monte sometimes

1:08:05you do nice things for people sometimes

1:08:09sir

1:08:09hey why not clean not at all dirty

1:08:13things i do I it's a terrible thing that

1:08:17he does early in the movie but i do

1:08:19enjoy his strategy with Nancy just

1:08:23because it's the it is that question of

1:08:26like well this is something you can do

1:08:28because there are no consequences when

1:08:29he just he just asked the questions and

1:08:32he's like very businesslike just what I

1:08:34no no just don't just tell me and then

1:08:36you flip it and and he's acting like he

1:08:39knows her and and he goes from there and

1:08:41I that's really amusing even though

1:08:43again it is

1:08:45skeezy I do find it highly unlikely that

1:08:47she would believe that she shared a 12th

1:08:49grade class with Bill Murray the Dino

1:08:51but she's just gonna lie

1:08:53don't she looks about a third his age I

1:08:56but I'm i don't believe i don't remember

1:08:59most of the people that I was in high

1:09:00school with somebody could absolutely do

1:09:02that to me and I would just buy it so

1:09:04but they wouldn't they wouldn't look

1:09:05three times your age more than little

1:09:07bit you think maybe if you know all of

1:09:09this is our way it's like that there's

1:09:11that study where they had the the person

1:09:13who's behind a receptionist desk and

1:09:16when you weren't looking

1:09:18they they dropped under the desk and a

1:09:20different person popped up and they

1:09:22continue the conversation and most

1:09:23people had no idea that the person was

1:09:25different because their brain just

1:09:27wasn't even tracking who this person was

1:09:28they weren't paying attention to it

1:09:30I feel like it's a little bit like that

1:09:31it's like if you've got these key facts

1:09:33that unlocks the key and you're like all

1:09:34right well I guess how how else could

1:09:36you know you must have been there you

1:09:38know you you haven't aged well i guess

1:09:40but you must have been in my class so I

1:09:44i took that on i'm right and well that's

1:09:46not that that's not that than the nicest

1:09:48way to pick somebody up

1:09:49I don't really feel that that one is

1:09:51necessarily to terrible because I mean

1:09:53she

1:09:54it's not like he does anything too weird

1:09:56he just says he knows some things and

1:09:58she completely goes along with it and is

1:10:00you know apparently has a good time so

1:10:02it does seem to take only one shot with

1:10:04Nancy so perhaps she's not announced

1:10:06never sees more accessible

1:10:09she's she's she's comfortable in her own

1:10:11sexuality and good liquor

1:10:13yeah he just needs to he just needs to

1:10:14get the right icebreaker you gotta

1:10:16wonder how many tonight's it took him to

1:10:18get the chipmunk noises their pic you

1:10:21know I you know I wonder if you needed

1:10:23to bother with that I mean she just

1:10:24seems like she's she's pretty cool girl

1:10:26so maybe he could have just had some

1:10:27honest fun with her but he wasn't at

1:10:29that point in his journey at the

1:10:30beginning so maybe he did later maybe

1:10:32maybe he tried the the real approach

1:10:35later on i like to think maybe Nancy

1:10:37maybe nancy was like a little bit of a

1:10:38vacation for him every now and then he'd

1:10:40be like hi then I've been doing a lot of

1:10:42sculpting and piano lessons and reading

1:10:44books at the library i'm going to take a

1:10:45Nancy day now just hang out with Nancy a

1:10:48little bit yeah tonight's of fat guy at

1:10:50the hotel kind of pay tonight it's

1:10:54jeopardy with the old people and

1:10:55throwing cards and a hat I'm feeling

1:10:57down I like the fact that he takes the

1:10:59time to push the toast in before he

1:11:01drops the toaster

1:11:03yeah that's how you turn the electricity

1:11:06that is coming as a carpenter august if

1:11:09you don't do that the heating coils

1:11:11aren't getting power

1:11:12yeah but it's still an electrical the

1:11:14appliance dropped in the middle of water

1:11:16you gotta you gotta you know training

1:11:18yeah something like that the toast is

1:11:20very important Steve it's very important

1:11:22to now the I think you're curious as to

1:11:24what will happen if he you know the

1:11:26toast is made well he's being

1:11:28electrocuted course I've never texted

1:11:30checking out the next hundred days

1:11:32before that this and this is the best

1:11:34way to do it you have determined the

1:11:35first time you did it without the

1:11:36toasted didn't work so then he just

1:11:38knows this time that you have the toast

1:11:40fell out and it blocked the toaster from

1:11:42you know landing in the bathtub and when

1:11:44he remind someone in the chatroom said

1:11:46that toast is the most conductive what

1:11:51those bridges the gap yeah it's nothin

1:11:54that's exactly it i think they figured

1:11:56it out the chatroom should have their

1:11:57own podcast should the involving toast

1:12:00I I do i do feel to cut circle back to

1:12:03where we started as unlikely as it is i

1:12:06do think this is actually one uh I think

1:12:08this is a monumental film i think this

1:12:10is one of my favorites and I I think you

1:12:12could argue can make a strong argument

1:12:14that is it is in the you know you can

1:12:17pick a number but it is among the three

1:12:19great films because it is not only funny

1:12:22but it is meaningful and it is of it is

1:12:25it is itself it is this unique amazing

1:12:29thing and clever

1:12:31yeah and I like a lot of movies like I

1:12:34would I would never say that real genius

1:12:36which is one of my very favorite movies

1:12:38of all time is among the great films

1:12:40that have ever been made but groundhog

1:12:42day I think it is one of the great films

1:12:45that have ever been made i really really

1:12:46do i'm excited about the fact that this

1:12:48is one of the great comedies from my

1:12:51youth that I can actually show the kids

1:12:54oh yeah I haven't done it yet but I mean

1:12:56this is it's a pg-rated film IQs

1:12:58innovated PG is for thematic elements

1:13:00which means probably the segment where

1:13:02he commits suicide repeatedly yeah so

1:13:05you know I there isn't a single thing in

1:13:07here where I have to you know like cough

1:13:09to cover up a word or well there's the

1:13:11suggestions of of of sex and but they're

1:13:15pretty right hand but they are six

1:13:16and rolling around making out kind of

1:13:18stay exactly if you if you are old

1:13:20enough to get what they're about

1:13:22e you're old enough to watch the movie

1:13:24because I younger than that you won't

1:13:26get it don't matter i'm more concerned

1:13:29about the use of the phrase gobblers

1:13:31knob and I am good i have that may know

1:13:33it's too i don't get the final line of

1:13:36the film i just want to say that was the

1:13:39final line

1:13:39well the father it the legislature here

1:13:42that's ripped Ricans we can rent to

1:13:44start at follow-up and I there's a joke

1:13:47in there

1:13:47I don't get it the joke is that he

1:13:49doesn't although he has accepted the

1:13:51city

1:13:53he's not accepted permanence yet let's

1:13:57keep our options open yeah I can tell

1:13:59how does that apply to what's come

1:14:00before it doesn't mean maybe he just

1:14:02realizes how weird is that he just tried

1:14:05to get someone who he's been with for a

1:14:07day to my house of them out places make

1:14:10a meat that maybe I I think it's kind of

1:14:12a joke about about the the fact that he

1:14:14spent 10,000 years in this town and so

1:14:16he doesn't want to fully commit to

1:14:18staying just bizarre

1:14:20I don't know why but I were you're right

1:14:22Steve it's like a joke that's not a joke

1:14:25it's like to live here is great if it

1:14:27ended on let's live here I'd have been

1:14:29happy and and I actually forgotten that

1:14:30there was the follow up there but it's

1:14:33if if you're going to end on a line

1:14:35that's a joke like that you should end

1:14:37on a line that's really applicable to

1:14:39the themes of the movie and to me it's

1:14:41just kinda know I like that he's not

1:14:43willing to commit to the place yet

1:14:45like let's try it out for me bent only

1:14:48been here ten thousand days exactly

1:14:50maybe you'll get the next one we went on

1:14:53the edge

1:14:53well I think he's sold i mean i think to

1:14:55him thanks x become home right and he

1:14:58doesn't want to freak out Rita yeah

1:15:00exactly i just think that he's yes it's

1:15:02home for him now but stepping out for

1:15:04her

1:15:04we're we're you're right it isn't it is

1:15:07kind of weird i think it's funny because

1:15:08it is that undercut of like he's at

1:15:10let's live here rent with you will just

1:15:12try out but just didn't he backs off of

1:15:15but you know a lot of perhaps it's just

1:15:17he's not entirely gone over to the

1:15:20do-gooder lifestyle there's still a

1:15:22little bit of a little bit of the road

1:15:24is ongoing be a terrific the groundhog

1:15:27is great

1:15:28yeah that groundhog is extremely

1:15:30cute yes I've angry don't Drive Angry

1:15:31Drive Angry you doing pretty well for a

1:15:33cock blood yeah everything according to

1:15:36the commentary is seconds after that

1:15:38don't Drive Angry the the groundhog

1:15:41turned around and bit a chunk of the

1:15:43leather gloves he was wearing very

1:15:45excited that the spoon he puts on just

1:15:48the line the second don't Drive Angry

1:15:50don't Drive Angry it's really really

1:15:54good

1:15:54yeah yeah i would say i would put that

1:15:55would say this is probably memories best

1:15:57work

1:15:58yeah oh yeah I mean yeah I mean that's

1:16:01hard to say there's so many good ones i

1:16:03really like obviously like Ghostbusters

1:16:06I really like him quick change em I i

1:16:10really like quick-change actually I

1:16:12think that's one of his best movies but

1:16:13i like you know that what kind of clever

1:16:15you have the crying on the inside kind i

1:16:17guess i like him that I like him in like

1:16:21a min Rushmore but I feel like he's kind

1:16:22of OneNote there

1:16:24yeah yeah that's good darling the broken

1:16:25schlubs a really good note but i mean

1:16:27that's that's like his standard note

1:16:29well it was more revelation when he

1:16:31played in Rushmore he's played in every

1:16:34movie since rush to get yeah like I

1:16:37liked him and steve zissou doing the

1:16:39same thing right well he kind of plays

1:16:41it here too i mean it's it's been his

1:16:43sort of lost in translation

1:16:45Yeah right right it's good it's a good

1:16:48note they were agreed its best movie

1:16:50stripes

1:16:52I like stripes it's gonna be like

1:16:55stripes a lot a good movie

1:16:57I this might be Harold Ramos is best

1:16:59moment too although i still hold out

1:17:01that Caddyshack might be better but

1:17:03Caddyshack does not have the sort of

1:17:06spiritual elevation yeah yeah you really

1:17:08just like him as neurologist

1:17:10yeah his bloated cameo which reminds me

1:17:13so much of the bloated cameo and elf

1:17:15where jon favreau yes as a doctor for a

1:17:17few space is the same it's the it's the

1:17:20doctor cameo it's really impressive to

1:17:22look at this next to caddy shack where

1:17:23Kenny Shaq is

1:17:25barely organized and is just overrun

1:17:29with people improvising and throwing out

1:17:32the actual plot and then look at you

1:17:34look at Groundhog Day which is so

1:17:35tightly plotted and so you can't really

1:17:39very anything that I up and apparently I

1:17:43I because i do think this movie

1:17:44obviously such a great critical success

1:17:46of HS it works and yet apparently there

1:17:51was during the making of this movie a

1:17:52falling-out between Bill Murray and

1:17:54harold ramis and until shortly before

1:17:56harold ramis died they basically didn't

1:17:59speak which is really yeah which is

1:18:01really sad nobody knows nobody seems to

1:18:03know why and I think that happens a lot

1:18:06with things involving Bill Murray nobody

1:18:08in the interview with him on the DVD he

1:18:10has nothing but good things to say about

1:18:12the memory so yeah I i get a set of

1:18:14one-sided night yeah I get the sense

1:18:16that Bill Murray had something that

1:18:18really bugged him we don't know but but

1:18:21I did read that before fairly shortly

1:18:25before when it was clear that Harold

1:18:26Ramis was very ill that they that they

1:18:29spoke and they kind of buried the

1:18:31hatchet which is which is good but that

1:18:33is good it is a shame because that was a

1:18:35collaboration

1:18:35I mean again Ghostbusters one of my very

1:18:37favorites and then this is a you know

1:18:39this is this spectacular movie and and

1:18:41there they both deserve a lot of credit

1:18:43for daz does Danny rubin who who wrote a

1:18:46book called how to write Groundhog Day

1:18:47which tells the story of what he did did

1:18:50the makers of edge of tomorrow read that

1:18:52I do wonder how much of this is really

1:18:54his original script and how much of it

1:18:56is is Ramos well as well in the end of

1:18:58his script is in the book apparently

1:19:00he's really well yeah it's the story of

1:19:02of the screenplay and the process of

1:19:05getting it from from screenplay the

1:19:07screen and how it changed and and all

1:19:08that is is apparently in in the book I

1:19:10haven't read might have to pick the

1:19:11right about yeah i'm intrigued by myself

1:19:13in this interview he talks about how it

1:19:15you know he picked up the script and he

1:19:17did all these things within the way you

1:19:19phrase it is then I rewrote it

1:19:21yeah oh well I get this is the Reuben

1:19:24was involved to a certain degree and

1:19:25that it was it was a conversation that

1:19:28they kept having about it that could be

1:19:29i just wonder how much of his original

1:19:31script actually survived and given his

1:19:33other filmic output you know compared to

1:19:36what Harold rain has produced over his

1:19:38lifetime and

1:19:38astex over how much absolutely agree

1:19:41completely but you know sometimes you

1:19:44catch lightning in a bottle in IE

1:19:46absolutely this there's a really cute

1:19:48groundhog on the cover of how to write

1:19:49ground without i'm sold check out how I

1:19:53can't believe this hasn't been mentioned

1:19:54yet

1:19:54strike up the music the band has begun

1:19:58don't you have a little vain ya poka

1:20:01very nice pick up your partner and join

1:20:05in the fun bow Erica just do that remind

1:20:08you of home

1:20:09the pencil fame this lots of polkas in

1:20:12Wisconsin there are so many focus at

1:20:14this

1:20:15the funny thing is is Steven didn't he'd

1:20:17never heard that song before I he

1:20:18thought it sounded kind of creepy as

1:20:20like you've never heard the Pennsylvania

1:20:21point and it's like okay Terry Francona

1:20:23want right there yeah but i love how we

1:20:25get deeper and deeper into this and the

1:20:27more uncomfortable he gets the the Polka

1:20:30gets this reverb on reverbnation me and

1:20:33creepier and creepier cat that was that

1:20:35was what Stephen and he thought he

1:20:37thought it sounded like a polka being

1:20:38played to the speakers at the Overlook

1:20:40Hotel because employers gasps

1:20:42fundamentally it does you know we

1:20:43actually we used to sing the abbey sing

1:20:45the Pennsylvania polka in elementary

1:20:47school in music class our memories and

1:20:50you weren't even in Pennsylvania

1:20:52nope nope amazing Wisconsin has adopted

1:20:56poka poka is was for Wisconsin it

1:21:00doesn't matter

1:21:00well so Erica and dan you're both

1:21:02Midwestern nurses it strikes me

1:21:04western Pennsylvania my family is from

1:21:07my mom's side of the family is from

1:21:08western Pennsylvania and I've argued in

1:21:10the past that it is more Midwestern an

1:21:13Eastern there are a lot of people who

1:21:14think that eastern Pennsylvania is just

1:21:16an eastern state but but uh regardless

1:21:18of that i mean this movie it is this is

1:21:20a Midwestern town shot in illinois right

1:21:22it it's got the bulk of that that do you

1:21:24guys have any I mean just does this

1:21:26resonate with you because it is it is

1:21:29this little slice of kind of classic

1:21:31Midwestern town yes absolutely

1:21:34I've been to so many church festivals

1:21:36and you know town things like that it

1:21:38that that is true to life you know get

1:21:40the little little diner restaurant with

1:21:42the same people in their everyday and

1:21:44you know the the the line about what

1:21:46would you do if every day was the same

1:21:48and you're stuck in one place and

1:21:49nothing you didn't matter

1:21:50yeah I know what people don't realize

1:21:53that way so welcome to grade school

1:21:56yeah i know i mean i-i I went to high

1:21:59school and grew up later than life

1:22:00outside of Chicago but when I was

1:22:02younger it was this kind of town right

1:22:04where the small town square where

1:22:06everyone knows each other there's like

1:22:07you know a hundred people in your high

1:22:10school and everybody knows everyone

1:22:12else's business

1:22:13yeah it is totally a Midwestern type of

1:22:16film rather than Eastern there's no

1:22:18doubt about it yeah i mean i picked

1:22:20punxsutawney again like I said western

1:22:22Pennsylvania especially it is yeah it is

1:22:24a mixture it is much more Midwestern

1:22:26than you might think or you know right

1:22:28there by the ohio border but this this

1:22:31to me even feels like you know it's

1:22:34fitting that they shot in Illinois

1:22:36because it feels a little more like that

1:22:37than it does like western Pennsylvania

1:22:39but what will oremus for saying that

1:22:41they were actually driving around

1:22:42Chicago we're just looking for sites and

1:22:44stuff and they were pulled through into

1:22:46Woodstock and pulled up into the Town

1:22:48Square to get coffee and they stepped

1:22:49out and they all can look around there

1:22:51like yep

1:22:52huh this is it yeah that looks just like

1:22:56that i can accept with the plaques now

1:22:59tell you now they have examined grand in

1:23:01advertisements corner here was it

1:23:03pennsylvania hotel or something like

1:23:04that

1:23:05yeah yeah the one that the one that

1:23:07ended with allstate at all right do they

1:23:09purposely keep a pot hole right there

1:23:11where Ned Ryerson i'll show ya i find

1:23:13myself wondering you know if they got to

1:23:15jackhammer out the pothole to create the

1:23:18slush

1:23:18yeah at all for the story there i'm sure

1:23:21there is like the bonus material on the

1:23:24D found a couple more quick notes okay

1:23:26Leila respected my this is just a plan

1:23:29for killing the president will skip that

1:23:30for now we'll get back to the bonus

1:23:34track that's more bonus traffic dear my

1:23:37favorite early mean Phil moment is is on

1:23:41the first day when he encounters the old

1:23:42beggar he doesn't think where he

1:23:44pretends to feel for his wallet and then

1:23:46he walks on

1:23:46oh yeah and then on the second day even

1:23:49though he's in the midst of this near

1:23:50panic where he's realizing what's going

1:23:52on he does it again

1:23:53yes it's just it's completely part of

1:23:55his character is part of his being that

1:23:57he fakes out that the guy begging for

1:23:59money and doesn't give him anything

1:24:01and then last thing does the black

1:24:05bartender who's job seems to be just to

1:24:07shake his head at people

1:24:08does he know what's going on Oh is he do

1:24:11you you think he's the magical angel who

1:24:14spends ten thousand years standing there

1:24:16saying when is this tour could ask me

1:24:18why I keep taking my head and he never

1:24:20actually gets noticed there's gotta be a

1:24:22reason why his whole purpose is to like

1:24:24look at in kind of smirk and shake his

1:24:27head and go back to wiping his glass but

1:24:29it doesn't matter what happens around

1:24:31him

1:24:32that's too maybe that's just it maybe he

1:24:34just does that no matter what happens

1:24:36around him that's his character he's

1:24:39also stuck in the state but he gave up a

1:24:41long yeah I like I'm actually play

1:24:44that's one of the one of the things

1:24:45that's interesting about the novel

1:24:46replays that he he discovers as he goes

1:24:50there are some other people who are also

1:24:51replaying from various times who have

1:24:54frames of reference that nobody should

1:24:55know in that time and after that is

1:24:57something that's interesting in this

1:24:58movie where he doesn't have he doesn't

1:24:59have anybody again it's a very short

1:25:02time scale but that's a that's kind of

1:25:04fun moment in that book where they

1:25:05actually take out a classified ad in

1:25:07like the new york times in the early

1:25:09seventies where they list a whole bunch

1:25:11of facts about things that happen in the

1:25:13future hoping that they can draw out

1:25:16other people who remember the future

1:25:17they just get crazy people as it turns

1:25:21out yeah

1:25:22edge of tomorrow being more explicitly a

1:25:24riff on these concepts as somebody who

1:25:27used to have this problem but doesn't

1:25:29anymore huh

1:25:30so several times time Cruz has to go to

1:25:33the per se I i have that thing you had a

1:25:36business I tell you this okay let's move

1:25:38on with that wide while they're still

1:25:40standing there goggle-eyed he has to

1:25:42push them to move the plot is that the

1:25:44movie they changed the name of so they

1:25:45could sell dvds yeah yeah it's a pretty

1:25:48good movie but nobody would see it so

1:25:50now it's called lived I repeat

1:25:52yeah that was supposedly the original

1:25:54name well the other it was it was all

1:25:56you need is kill was the was the name of

1:25:58the the book that is based on and that's

1:26:00a better name too and they change the

1:26:01edge of tomorrow which was a really bad

1:26:03name and it was a lot and it got good

1:26:06reviews and people everybody likes it

1:26:08and it was just poorly marketed so they

1:26:09yeah they basically retitled it for the

1:26:12marketing of the of the video version

1:26:13it's fun watching

1:26:15I'm Cruz turn into an action hero over

1:26:17several cycles and it's fun how brutal

1:26:21that movie is and saying well it's time

1:26:24to start a new cycle shoot head

1:26:26yep i couldn't have lived that day over

1:26:29and over i do like haha wasn't making

1:26:32love like sea otters yeah yeah yeah yeah

1:26:34yeah man you know how others make love

1:26:36their horrifying little Monteith's know

1:26:40like I'm not why do you because they are

1:26:43answer that okay

1:26:47gosh I wish we could all live in the

1:26:49mountain so high altitude high altitudes

1:26:51yeah that's where I see myself in five

1:26:53years under your winter prediction was

1:26:56gonna be cold it's gonna be crazy and

1:26:58it's gonna laugh at you and rest of rest

1:26:59so good gonna be a long winter it all

1:27:05right well we've reached the end or have

1:27:08we know what

1:27:09oh uh huh I'd like to thank my guests

1:27:12for coming i'm talking about groundhog

1:27:13day chips under thanks for being here

1:27:17Jason this podcast capture the true

1:27:19excitement of a large squirrel

1:27:20predicting the weather

1:27:22Erica and sign thank you thank you i was

1:27:26glad to be able to be here even though

1:27:27it was the end of a very long day

1:27:29very long day funny how that is what he

1:27:32actually thank you very much i could

1:27:34watch this movie again and again Dan

1:27:37Frakes thanks for being on is it too

1:27:40early for flapjacks Steve let's thank

1:27:44you very much

1:27:45okay campers rise and shine and don't

1:27:48forget your booties because it's cold

1:27:49out there

1:27:50this however you restart the podcast

1:27:53from the beginning morons

1:27:54your bus is leaving thanks everybody for

1:27:58listening to the uncomfortable we will

1:28:01see you next time

1:28:03in comfortable number 230 who Groundhog

1:28:08Day 2015

1:28:11welcome back to be uncomfortable i'm

1:28:13your host Jason snow night when talking

1:28:16about think we're in the suicide lupinus

1:28:19want your little hand in mine

1:28:22no is a little mountain we can't plan

1:28:25who you can't plan a podcast like this

1:28:28well you can it just takes a lot of work

1:28:30why is it sunny singing that line his

1:28:32hand has to be at least half the size of

1:28:34shares for that matter why is it sunny

1:28:35outside it's 6am on februari second good

1:28:41point okay you've ruined this for movie

1:28:44is ruined

1:28:44oh my god is it why didn't he ever stay

1:28:47up past 6am in this man i wondered about

1:28:49that too and i figured it's probably a

1:28:51woman when he was in bed with andie

1:28:53mcdowell did me no notions midnight one

1:28:55presumes he falls school I think that's

1:28:57what happens is is you can stay home he

1:28:59liked it starts over

1:29:00yeah he just there's a moment of lost

1:29:02consciousness and then boot at six

1:29:04o'clock again and they could have had a

1:29:05scene where things go jump cut to him

1:29:08back in the bed have clarified that for

1:29:11me it was 19

1:29:13it was 93 did they do jump cuts back

1:29:15then point it's not a lens flare in this

1:29:19movie either

1:29:20no mm so the thing that bugs me most

1:29:23about Andie McDowell is the fact that

1:29:25she's she seems to be like turning on a

1:29:27dime between good-natured goofiness and

1:29:29just seething anger are we really doing

1:29:32this podcast again it really confuses me

1:29:37now wait a minute Steve you do that all

1:29:39the time

1:29:40yeah not not in McDowell know it's it's

1:29:45weird one second she's she's like

1:29:47good-naturedly laughing along with the

1:29:49comment that film makes and then

1:29:51actually like no he suddenly extremely

1:29:53angry with him are you drunk or

1:29:54something because she's a terrible

1:29:57actress I think that maybe it in its

1:30:00trapped in a good movie i think you may

1:30:03have you may have hit the nail on the

1:30:05head there

1:30:05I feel bad business this is I'm glad

1:30:08nobody on the podcast profess their

1:30:10undying love for Brady McDowell as as

1:30:13Erica expressed her her in enjoyment of

1:30:15michael biehn and the Terminator

1:30:17terrible things I i will stand up for

1:30:21Michael be mad i yank I too can't stand

1:30:23and mcdouble

1:30:24she's in she's in this which is one of

1:30:26my all-time favorite because i love sex

1:30:27lies and videotape and and for weddings

1:30:30and if you know for very different

1:30:31reasons I'm on board with all those plus

1:30:33i really do like Hudson Hawk a lot she

1:30:35loves rhinestones and living at high

1:30:37altitude and french romantic poetry and

1:30:39I just I take all of her traits as being

1:30:42satirical comments on what an awful

1:30:44actress and how I don't like her

1:30:47it is because i don't like her character

1:30:48I don't like to think she likes I don't

1:30:50find them

1:30:51romantic or attractive in any way and

1:30:53the fact that he learns them i find

1:30:54laughable but again i love the movie i

1:30:57love it I love it

1:30:58is it possible that sweet vermouth on

1:30:59the ice is good i mean no no you haven't

1:31:02tried to have you no one has no one like

1:31:05you know don't forget I think you forgot

1:31:07the twist jason with yes makes the right

1:31:09you're right with it was great

1:31:11sweet sweet that is I itself is is X

1:31:13script that is a great moment by the way

1:31:15just to look at Bill Murray's a Gatsby

1:31:17expression when when she orders it and

1:31:20then we tasted i'm going to use it yeah

1:31:22oh yeah that's beauty like the very

1:31:25first scene where you see her where

1:31:27she's doing the green screen thing

1:31:29yeah she's so evil she has even said

1:31:31anything yet

1:31:33yeah all this green screen I can't

1:31:35believe how hilarious this is 0 and

1:31:38she's like does the little hand thing to

1:31:39fill

1:31:40I can't believe you get to do this

1:31:42everyday is the best

1:31:44alright well i guess i guess thats

1:31:46that's it I guess we're done where we

1:31:48keep waiting for her to repeat and

1:31:52welcome back everybody the incumbent

1:31:55like asking your host Jason Snelling

1:31:56joining us today aren't I was hoping it

1:31:58would be tomorrow it tomorrow but i'm

1:32:01about to get out my toaster

1:32:07we can

1:32:26I got it

1:32:28I got it

1:32:32everybody's got their it's cold out

1:32:38there every day when I'm hardly and you

1:32:42know you can expect hazardous travel

1:32:43later today with that you know that the

1:32:45closer that Blizzard think blizzard

1:32:48thank you oh well here's the report the

1:32:50National Weather Service is calling for

1:32:51a big lizard there they are but you know

1:32:54there's another reason why today is

1:32:56especially excited especially cool

1:32:58especially cold okay but the big

1:33:00question on everybody's lips together

1:33:01chapel on their chaplain at right lift

1:33:04do you think Phil's gonna come out and

1:33:07see a shadow Punxsutawney Phil that's

1:33:09right Woodchucker zits round on one out