0:00:00so put your little hand in mine
0:00:04no he'll mountain we can't climb babe I
0:00:11got you babe I got you been the
0:00:19incomparable number 232 Groundhog Day
0:00:27welcome back and ready to the
0:00:28uncomfortable podcast I'm your host
0:00:29Jason Snell and tonight we're going to
0:00:31be talking about a fine fine film some
0:00:35might say one of the classics it not
0:00:39just of recent memory but of all time I
0:00:43might actually make that proposal but we
0:00:46will get we will will take some time
0:00:47introducing people when i mentioned that
0:00:49the movie i'm talking about is Groundhog
0:00:51Day starring bill murray who is beloved
0:00:56as well as other actors who are less
0:00:59love it
0:01:00ante in deed joining me to talk about
0:01:04groundhog day are fine group of people
0:01:07Steve let's hello
0:01:09okay campers rise and shine and don't
0:01:11forget your booties because it's cold
0:01:13out there
0:01:14yes indeed Erica and signs also out
0:01:16there hi hello i sure as heckfire agree
0:01:19that this is a movie is a classic ships
0:01:21others is also out there hi chip
0:01:23Jason I'm reliving the same podcast over
0:01:26and over the incomparable Groundhog Day
0:01:28review today
0:01:29that's right how'd it go in previous
0:01:31loops chip dammit you called me out
0:01:35dan Frakes joins us who is a an
0:01:38occasional participant in this little
0:01:40podcaster virus High Dam
0:01:42hello Jason occasional it's good to have
0:01:44you here thank you
0:01:45do you have a reference for me know okay
0:01:48I'm here because my wife hates this
0:01:50movie and this is the only time I get to
0:01:51talk about it so well there are people
0:01:54that hate this movie
0:01:55dan needlenose dan dan the head oh
0:01:58that's right yeah and Monty actually is
0:02:01also the also here hi Monty hi i can
0:02:04think of a lot of references but I have
0:02:05this weird feeling that somebody else
0:02:07has already done them already
0:02:09haha yes
0:02:12previous universe so I 1983 little bit
0:02:17let's let's get some things out of the
0:02:18way here
0:02:18first off that I'm your wet I'm your
0:02:21weatherman song
0:02:22is atrocious and must be can i love it
0:02:27necessarily because we're like harold
0:02:29ramis incident not not a not a good song
0:02:31i disagree completely i love that song
0:02:34everytime i hear it starting up like I
0:02:35was grooving on the couch I don't know
0:02:37what stephen thought I was doing but I
0:02:39was having a very good time I enjoy the
0:02:41list
0:02:41it's better when the work before the
0:02:42word start but once the word start is
0:02:45not know the way it's ridiculous but I
0:02:47like ridiculous it is very much of its
0:02:50time
0:02:51yes that yeah i'll make you smile game
0:02:55if you don't win
0:02:59take me about can't you
0:03:06and then this was my larger point is
0:03:10it's got that it's got the goofy song
0:03:12there's so many things in this that
0:03:14would lead you to believe that this is a
0:03:15kind of disposable early nineties comedy
0:03:21romantic comedy the poster also with
0:03:24Bill Murray throwing up his hands in a
0:03:26clock in an alarm clock as and Miguel
0:03:29does a sort of sears photo studio pose
0:03:33with a fist on her chin really just the
0:03:36existence of Andie McDowell and I was
0:03:38going to say and then also the existence
0:03:40of Annie miquelon chris elliott as
0:03:42supporting players in this film Lee
0:03:45would lead you to believe that this
0:03:46might not be a film added to the united
0:03:48states national film registry as
0:03:51culturally historically wrong or
0:03:53aesthetically significant' but indeed it
0:03:55has
0:03:56so I guess that that might be where I
0:03:59want to start is the credits over the
0:04:01clouds don't both very well well you
0:04:05know you get some stock footage of blue
0:04:07sky with some clouds to make sense later
0:04:10but it doesn't really get the juices
0:04:12flowing for the fellow mile thick not
0:04:14well erica was was bobbing and weaving
0:04:16during that sure was a series is all
0:04:19those clouds i was you know and i think
0:04:20this is definitely a case of the the the
0:04:23some it is greater than the sum of its
0:04:25parts because yeah if that weatherman
0:04:27song was in a different movie and
0:04:29probably wouldn't have the nice fuzzy
0:04:30warm feelings toward that I do i forgot
0:04:32existed frankly until I was such a short
0:04:35time the movie of the song the song i
0:04:37remember the movie very well I know that
0:04:39guitar parts on another guitar far apart
0:04:41from the store man cause it's in the DVD
0:04:44menu and like oh yeah right away it just
0:04:47got about a PowerPoint file right we're
0:04:50just having different originally because
0:04:51mine plays the score
0:04:54Jason you have the DVD i have which has
0:04:56like the old almost like it looks like
0:04:58Annie world cartoon city and that might
0:05:02be right i I have a very early DVD and
0:05:04then I just got the blu-ray
0:05:06last year so nobody why have the blu-ray
0:05:08the 15th anniversary edition that very
0:05:10nice menu with the score over in the
0:05:12middle of miles from my calendars and
0:05:16then there's some heated shots of the
0:05:18phil getting slapped
0:05:20now that's better oh no I'm old-school
0:05:22I've got a clear original DVD cartoon
0:05:24punxsutawney layout map ya that ya might
0:05:27be more grading just to get rid of that
0:05:29guitar I don't they have room for me to
0:05:31go on an hour long rant about how men
0:05:34you should just not have sound on them
0:05:36at all
0:05:37oh I might be right there with ya it's
0:05:40so good just saying I watched it on
0:05:41amazon streaming video on a reading the
0:05:44imac with chris elliott walking around
0:05:46carrying a betacam and it just broke my
0:05:48mind it is it's an old movie now I guess
0:05:51issued this should be old movie club
0:05:53this movie is 22 years old now you can
0:05:56say that don't so no no this yeah I must
0:05:59got the DVD very very early that there
0:06:00was a blu-ray sale i think it
0:06:02conveniently like about a week after
0:06:04Groundhog Day last year when that they
0:06:05had run out the prices in advance of
0:06:07Groundhog Day and then afterward there
0:06:09was a sale and blu-ray was like seven
0:06:10bucks or something huh
0:06:12looks good looks good on blu-ray the HD
0:06:15version is very nice
0:06:16we need a screenshot of that of the old
0:06:18one Jason I do have that somewhere i
0:06:20should actually take that awful DVD out
0:06:22because it is it's very bad it's it's so
0:06:25bad anyway the movie is not bad although
0:06:28ok so the funny thing about this movie
0:06:31the remarkable thing about this movie
0:06:32right is that obviously Bill Murray is
0:06:35stuck in a time loop he lives groundhog
0:06:37day over and over again
0:06:39spoilers for Groundhog Day you know
0:06:41seven groundhog day are you listening to
0:06:44this
0:06:44what is wrong with you if you haven't
0:06:47seen the movie and right you listen to a
0:06:49podcast about groundhog day and then get
0:06:50mad at us when it turned out to be about
0:06:52groundhog day yeah haha they thought it
0:06:54was about the holiday
0:06:55yeah salute to ground it was like one
0:06:58listener out there who's like quietly
0:07:00talking to be dissing me I'm sorry
0:07:02listener but you should stop and watch
0:07:04and watch the movie anyway what what
0:07:07struck me this time watching it is all
0:07:09the scenes before they get get to
0:07:12Punxsutawney seem like like everything
0:07:16else seem like out of another left
0:07:19the movie the whole he's got his whole
0:07:22weatherman stick at the TV station in
0:07:24Pittsburgh where he's in front of the
0:07:26blue screen doing his his wacky
0:07:30weatherman sort of like when David
0:07:31Letterman was a weatherman Indiana I
0:07:33think I I me like it's a very similar
0:07:35kind of thing he's it these are the
0:07:37jokes folks and obviously the the
0:07:39anchorwoman hates him and everybody else
0:07:42hates him argument it all just seems so
0:07:45it's like something out of a totally
0:07:47different movie and i find it it must
0:07:49mean something that my brain just
0:07:50completely blocks out everything before
0:07:52we get to Punxsutawney i was watching
0:07:55the the the director commentary and
0:07:58Danny Ruben was saying that actually
0:08:00that was never supposed to be in the
0:08:01movie when he wrote the original
0:08:03screenplay
0:08:04he wanted the movie to start right where
0:08:06where the things are happening over and
0:08:09over and over he didn't want any of the
0:08:11backstory he didn't think it mattered
0:08:12and harold ramis had to say you've got
0:08:14to set it up people have to like no
0:08:16that's guy's a jerk beforehand and
0:08:17they've got to know you know what she
0:08:19was coming from and why there and and it
0:08:22was a big point of debate actually
0:08:24between them and / the the DVD
0:08:26commentary Ramos told him for sure that
0:08:29that is the one thing he would not
0:08:30change about his script it turns out
0:08:31that was the first thing that changed
0:08:33the batteries Korea which i think is
0:08:35great because it would be to me a much
0:08:38lesser movie if it started somewhere in
0:08:39the middle of the it needs the origin
0:08:42story I think well indeed the origin
0:08:43story but as far as I'm concerned you
0:08:45can start with his first time going
0:08:47through that day you can rely on Bill
0:08:49Murray to convey that this character is
0:08:51a Dirk and no one likes him
0:08:53just on the first iteration of Groundhog
0:08:56Day certainly in my head that's where
0:08:57the movie starts
0:08:59possibly because everything and that
0:09:00they happen so many times that right we
0:09:02need we need time to be introduced to
0:09:04the other great characters in this how
0:09:07could we do without the the whimsical
0:09:09andie macdowell playing in front of the
0:09:11blue screens and that's that
0:09:14well it helps that there's 12 times as
0:09:16much Stephen Tobolowsky as there is
0:09:18anybody else the I i would also say
0:09:22something about this that struck me was
0:09:23when they get to Punxsutawney on the on
0:09:26on the first I'm also surprised it out
0:09:30how perfunctory that is I think it's an
0:09:32interest
0:09:33a choice that we spend time in the
0:09:34weather you weather Center than in the
0:09:37newsroom for the and the TV set in
0:09:39Pittsburgh where we learn that Phil is
0:09:41you know not very happy and not very
0:09:43well-liked and all these things and and
0:09:46almost no time in Punxsutawney where I
0:09:48was wondering to myself maybe it
0:09:50would've been better to start the movie
0:09:51with them coming in to Punxsutawney and
0:09:53setting up Phil is kind of an unpleasant
0:09:55person there but we never leave the
0:09:56outskirts you know the boundary of
0:09:58Punxsutawney because as it is they get
0:10:01there and you know they're they're going
0:10:03to the cheap hotel and he's gonna
0:10:04complain and be a prima donna right
0:10:06prima donnas right i'm donna and she's
0:10:10like oh no we're going to drop you off
0:10:11here and he's like alright and then and
0:10:13then cut to its the next morning and I i
0:10:15always think like what what did you do
0:10:18that night did he do anything
0:10:20interesting you know have been thinking
0:10:22that tomorrow would be a normal day and
0:10:24the answer is nope nope no time for that
0:10:26Sonny and Cher need to play let's just
0:10:27move along and I think that's a little
0:10:29strange i wonder if the if the movie
0:10:30might have been better if they had just
0:10:34started in Punxsutawney on the evening
0:10:36of the first rather than having the
0:10:37Pittsburgh thing i don't know i don't
0:10:38think so I like the contrast I like the
0:10:40fact that we do get a little bit of time
0:10:43that's outside punxsutawney where things
0:10:45change and things progress and then all
0:10:48of a sudden he's in the wormhole and
0:10:50there and there we go
0:10:51it's also nice to see where he's coming
0:10:53from you know he spends a lot of time
0:10:54talking about how he he wants to move on
0:10:57and become you don't do something better
0:10:58and he acts like such a prima donna but
0:11:01we've seen in the beginning of the film
0:11:02now she was going to have anything to be
0:11:04a prima donna about he's not really his
0:11:07job
0:11:08no just call himself the talent he's
0:11:10always be not only and that is the thing
0:11:13the TV people saying I always thought it
0:11:15was ridiculous but that the best one
0:11:16right is that you know how it there's
0:11:18not gonna be any snow it's gonna be fine
0:11:20it's gonna miss us the blizzards not
0:11:21going to happen and he and every gonna
0:11:23every day he gets hit with the fact that
0:11:26he made the wrong protection as you
0:11:28cycle through he's a very bad weatherman
0:11:30so something I noticed that for the
0:11:32first time when I was watching this time
0:11:34was that as a drive into punxsutawney
0:11:36they pass by the Alpine theatre which is
0:11:39is presume the one theater in
0:11:40Punxsutawney right Heidi 10 and it's
0:11:43playing I'd had never seen that Heidi
0:11:44too
0:11:45classic was the one movie he was stuck
0:11:47with and then you and then it turns out
0:11:50later when he's a when he shows up at
0:11:52the film with the dresses Clint Eastwood
0:11:54wouldn't have made my he he talks about
0:11:57how he loves this movie he's seen it
0:11:58over a hundred times
0:12:00that's the film he had to watch over a
0:12:02hundred times it's heidi to you too
0:12:05Emily classic I which doesn't exist by
0:12:07our way there is no Heidi to unless you
0:12:09count the fact that there is a Heidi to
0:12:10which is a pornographic German feeling
0:12:12pretty kind of class family classic the
0:12:16Marquis is referring to Rome and explain
0:12:18her costume when he takes the french
0:12:20maid that's just why I just always
0:12:22assumed it was wishful thinking on
0:12:23Harold Ramis part yeah you're creating
0:12:26your own world some of a perfect world
0:12:28to its yeah always dreamed up its really
0:12:30could have made Heidi to why wouldn't he
0:12:32do that
0:12:33well he died too soon taken us one of
0:12:36the great games to play with this movie
0:12:37is to try to guess how long he bill
0:12:40murray spending his time loop and and
0:12:42that's one of those moments that gives
0:12:44you some perspective on the the depths
0:12:46of of how he's lived this life is that
0:12:48he's he's watched Heidi to like a
0:12:51hundred times Heidi too and that's that
0:12:54certainly didn't watch that every night
0:12:56no I hate those trivia questions that I
0:12:59see sometimes it asking how many times
0:13:01to Bill Murray lived through his life in
0:13:02Groundhog Day and the answer is always
0:13:04whatever however mean more like you
0:13:06however many you see on screen and it's
0:13:08clear that that is not how many there
0:13:10are it i mean in that this is one of the
0:13:12few movies I've ever watched the DVD
0:13:14extras for because I'm not usually a fan
0:13:16of the VAM the value-added material but
0:13:18this one was really interesting talking
0:13:20I think it's harold ramis talking about
0:13:21how how dark this movie actually is the
0:13:24the number of lifetime's that this poor
0:13:27guy has lived over and over and over
0:13:28again
0:13:29I mean I did that when you get to the
0:13:31suicide part it makes sense the original
0:13:34script was even darker it was I think
0:13:36the original treatment it was supposed
0:13:38to be like about 10,000 years yeah well
0:13:41just the piano like crazy practicing the
0:13:44piano one hour a day
0:13:46yes but everything
0:13:48and maybe not even everyday i'm sure
0:13:50there are some days he decided he just
0:13:52wanted to flip cards into a hat
0:13:54I'm gonna assume that's the only song he
0:13:56knows good yeah I think that's probably
0:13:59right well he played at the day several
0:14:01he played me played aren't you want for
0:14:03my improv jazz and everything what's not
0:14:05improv if you know exactly what's
0:14:07happening tonight everybody in the world
0:14:09and every second yeah
0:14:11oh don't know he had to work on those
0:14:13was faking process euphoric own back 2x
0:14:16take what I'm gonna try and be sharp
0:14:18there
0:14:18oh now I've got something but several a
0:14:22third he becomes the least popular man
0:14:24in town because he can no longer do
0:14:25everything else but also he robbed that
0:14:27Bank i assumed afterwards that he
0:14:29retained all that knowledge maybe yeah
0:14:31artistic but I think so absolutely i
0:14:34mean look okay with it he's a god let's
0:14:36get it let's go you're not the god just
0:14:38a guy's guy I i do love that I love to
0:14:40be a barking dog but whenever he's
0:14:43walking through the day where you get
0:14:45the sense that he's just reading writing
0:14:46the script of the day barking dog or
0:14:48Cobra our media picks up the pics of the
0:14:52bag of money and then when he does that
0:14:53for reading in the diner and and and and
0:14:57then goes through who everybody is and
0:14:58how he knows every single fact there is
0:15:01to know every atom of everything in this
0:15:04town he knows at this point that's that
0:15:06moment of of you know you think I'm
0:15:08crazy but I can prove that I can i
0:15:10actually have all these things you
0:15:11realize he has spent literally you know
0:15:14air every amount of time you could ever
0:15:17conceive of a lifetime in this one day
0:15:19and this in this one town knows it
0:15:20completely that moment reminds me of a
0:15:23video game you played a lot where you
0:15:25can walk into the letter say
0:15:26all right that guy has the script that
0:15:28guy is this script at exactly six turned
0:15:31up for I walk in the King goes over
0:15:32there
0:15:33yeah you know I wondered and maybe it
0:15:35wasn't meant to be this but this time i
0:15:36watched I was thinking about it
0:15:38perhaps you know the fact that people
0:15:40want to repeat the same exact things
0:15:42every single day no matter kind of what
0:15:44he starts to say to them is a commentary
0:15:46on how much people are simply waiting
0:15:48for you to shut up so they can see the
0:15:49next things in the brain or is that a
0:15:51commentary on our podcast work
0:15:53ah interesting interesting what having
0:15:56just been on a podcast about a subject
0:15:58that we did a podcast about for the
0:15:59uncomfortable
0:16:00and having not listen to our episode
0:16:02about it since we recorded i discovered
0:16:05that i was saying the same things that I
0:16:07had said in the previous podcast I just
0:16:08you know so i think there's also that of
0:16:10just were programmed to react when I
0:16:12added a podcast honestly this is very
0:16:14narrow groundhog day when I had a
0:16:16podcast i find myself laughing at things
0:16:19that people say and I can hear myself
0:16:21laughing at the same time in the same
0:16:23way on a recording to the things that
0:16:26people are saying so yeah that's what I
0:16:28mean that that's part of the fascination
0:16:30of this movie right is that these
0:16:31characters he he can he can kind of
0:16:34program them but they're also they have
0:16:36their default responses and and it one
0:16:39of the joys of stephen tobolowsky and
0:16:42the character is that that is a great
0:16:44that is a great sequence of reactions
0:16:46that lead to a very funny plant
0:16:48literally punch line where it's like let
0:16:52me try this let me try this let me try
0:16:54this and and there's like I could punch
0:16:56him
0:16:57I can hug him there are many things i
0:16:59could do with this guy
0:17:00let's see what he does and that's kind
0:17:02of beautiful because you know that he's
0:17:05just he's trying to find all the
0:17:06variations of behavior from all these
0:17:08people because they will start in the
0:17:09exact same place every time it does make
0:17:11me wonder after all of the time he spent
0:17:12on this one day weather after the
0:17:15credits roll the realization dawns on
0:17:18him that suddenly he's got to live a
0:17:19different day and he just falls into a
0:17:21deep depression about the fact that he
0:17:23has he no longer has the whole thing peg
0:17:25dsds to work it out on his own now he's
0:17:28used to getting up and walking down and
0:17:29turning on jeopardy and now something
0:17:31else is happening and the first time
0:17:34someone says hey there's that guy
0:17:36what you didn't say that oh no that's
0:17:39why i might he become so unpopular in
0:17:40the next day because the next day and
0:17:42jeopardise number not gonna know all the
0:17:43answers
0:17:44yeah this is a totally different episode
0:17:45of Jeopardy I I think that's why the
0:17:49last couple of scenes in the movie are
0:17:51really important it's really important
0:17:53to see him on the third and to see that
0:17:55he's and we can get into the philosophy
0:17:58of this later because i think that's
0:18:00that's one of the most important things
0:18:01about this movie but the when you see
0:18:05him at the end
0:18:05he's at peace right hehe has come to a
0:18:08point where he's a he's a piece he's
0:18:12he's that's it that's how he escaped
0:18:14loop essentially is that he perfects
0:18:16this day and and he moves on and and so
0:18:19I think it's super important he says I
0:18:21think we should live here you know what
0:18:23will rent to start you know and all that
0:18:25and that he seems ok because you're
0:18:27right the other way to view this is that
0:18:29he is a complete wreck because after
0:18:3110,000 years he's in another day and now
0:18:34he doesn't know what to do and that
0:18:35would be really depressing ending or
0:18:37third option
0:18:38he now has to live the third over and
0:18:40over again and I thought about that day
0:18:42all around hard day to the day after day
0:18:46after grandma 93 groundhog you to you
0:18:50know watching this is steven spending
0:18:51the first day of every third so he
0:18:53decided that this is one of the cruelest
0:18:55movies he had ever seen because it's
0:18:57always almost as first day and it never
0:18:58gets there the universe gave him a break
0:19:00the third was the day that they changed
0:19:02reels at the movie theater
0:19:04Heidi to imagine being trapped in that I
0:19:07love that joke is there but it's just
0:19:10sitting there for you to notice which is
0:19:11how you're trapped in the town where the
0:19:13only movie you can watch as Heidi to the
0:19:15only TV show you can watch you can watch
0:19:17that one episode of jeopardy but he
0:19:19learned to love Heidi too he did after a
0:19:22hundred-plus view exposed to anything
0:19:24that's one of the things are exposed to
0:19:26anything for long enough to learn all of
0:19:28its nuances like this town that he hates
0:19:31that hates going to he learns to love it
0:19:33but after after knowing it properly
0:19:36uh I i tried what we do these movies on
0:19:39the hot podcast i tried to take notes
0:19:41about what's going on and I i did like
0:19:43five of them and I i gave up because
0:19:45this is a movie that's impossible to
0:19:47chart on one level and on another level
0:19:50I've seen it so many times that I can I
0:19:52know what's in it so I i just kind of
0:19:54gave up because it's so weird because
0:19:56once we're in the time loop
0:19:57it's just you know really where replay
0:19:59events i always wonder that I assume
0:20:02they shot it where all of the different
0:20:03sequences were just shot in a row
0:20:05because you want everything to be
0:20:07exactly the same and that this must have
0:20:09been a very strange movie to shoot then
0:20:10because you're literally just doing
0:20:12eight variations on one scene 4 days and
0:20:16then you move on to the next set of
0:20:17scene so you're you know you're at the
0:20:19at the little gazebo where the where the
0:20:21groundhog is for three days and then
0:20:24you're off to punching net Ryerson for
0:20:27for three days and we'll Ramos said that
0:20:30about that scene with with phil and Ned
0:20:32Ryerson where they they had to be
0:20:34careful because every time they date
0:20:36they they showed this the scene they
0:20:38wanted the the fog be the same they
0:20:40wanted the lighting to be the same that
0:20:41time of day so they just you know we get
0:20:44up in the morning and they would do like
0:20:45shot after shot after shot after shot
0:20:47and each time Murray would be like well
0:20:49I'm gonna be sarcastic this time right
0:20:51I'm gonna be I'm gonna hug you this time
0:20:53and they would just keep doing it over
0:20:54and over again and then if it didn't get
0:20:56enough shoots shots in then they'd have
0:20:58to like you know take photos the sky and
0:21:00then wait till next day it was like that
0:21:02and they do a bunch more but he said
0:21:04yeah he said it was actually hard acting
0:21:06because you're like okay I got two
0:21:07different the last time rather than the
0:21:09same which is how you usually do when
0:21:10you act right
0:21:11mmm yeah very strange I've been a miner
0:21:15this is like sort of blending but not
0:21:17really
0:21:18they shot this movie in which documents
0:21:21to kill annoy which I've been to yes
0:21:24I've been in that town square and it is
0:21:26yeah well right Indian you're from
0:21:28Chicago and it's like every time I see
0:21:30you I'm like oh yeah I had a I had a hot
0:21:32chocolate and a doughnut at that bakery
0:21:34that's on the corner there and they did
0:21:36they actually have signs now of right
0:21:38raspberry this is where this is where
0:21:41Ned priors cut it simply was just bored
0:21:46here this is the puddle my high school
0:21:49used to a nice to play against
0:21:51woodstocks team in tournaments
0:21:53wow yeah amazing like famous yeah aren't
0:21:57letting me yet like i was ever a team to
0:21:59get a plumbing amazing so it's a cute
0:22:03too cute little town it's not my mom
0:22:05actually grew up next to Punxsutawney
0:22:07Pennsylvania but they didn't shoot it in
0:22:09Punxsutawney Pennsylvania once I learned
0:22:10it was Woodstock I can't see the movie
0:22:12now and think tanks on yeah I know stock
0:22:14III somebody on Twitter the other night
0:22:17was talking about how you can view this
0:22:20movie is Bill Murray progressively gets
0:22:23improves as a human being and so is a
0:22:26dip but he tries to get better
0:22:27where's chris elliott the more you know
0:22:29about him the more awful he is easter
0:22:32thought it was kind of talked about that
0:22:34on the
0:22:35I'm the holiday vault episode where this
0:22:36was brought up and I i reject the theory
0:22:38because I don't think he changes that
0:22:40much in the movie no I I think it's just
0:22:41revealed to us that using the more we
0:22:44learn about him the more awful he is
0:22:46right where she does really he tries to
0:22:49pick up Nancy poorly and then he shapes
0:22:53the waiter on the I'll get this exit and
0:22:56then he embarrasses himself at the
0:22:57bachelor auction
0:22:58yeah things that yeah that's true but
0:23:00that's not it that's not really it's not
0:23:01just all these he's an unattractive just
0:23:04appeal you know the way it is his fault
0:23:06the way that he sort of like tries to
0:23:08you know flex its muscles and dance
0:23:10around a little bit that's that's just
0:23:11icky i wouldn't care if he did have nice
0:23:13muscles that looks stupid but why like
0:23:17the idea of that sort of parallel
0:23:18timeline going on i just i don't see it
0:23:20that much
0:23:21although i don't think i don't think
0:23:22that that bill murray actually comes off
0:23:25as that awful at the beginning either
0:23:27mean he's clearly kind of a broken man
0:23:30but the worst he does really is he talks
0:23:33a little trash to Andie MacDowell
0:23:34clearly deserves it prima donnas he
0:23:36thinks he's a little bit you know higher
0:23:38and mightier than he is he thinks he's
0:23:40the talent and then he treats a chris
0:23:43elliott kind of poorly as well but then
0:23:44again you know it's true what most would
0:23:47not exactly a quick perhaps I actually
0:23:49was like crystals led in the role though
0:23:51I think he was good for ya
0:23:53he works very well he has one of my
0:23:55favorite one of my favorite lines in one
0:23:57of my favorite movies with lots of great
0:23:58lines is when fill in the groundhog
0:24:02drive off the great races into the into
0:24:05the quarry is a swell he might have
0:24:06survived and then there's a gigantic
0:24:08impossible explosion assistance as well
0:24:11probably not probably not now
0:24:14now now that's beautiful minus rod I
0:24:17didn't actually want to see this movie
0:24:18when it came out because for one thing
0:24:20the trailer made it look ridiculous
0:24:22because it showed scenes of him driving
0:24:23with the groundhog don't Drive Angry
0:24:25thing and then I was like oh chris
0:24:27elliott isn't it i I can't stand that
0:24:29guy I'm i refuse to see this movie and
0:24:31then when I was Andie McDowell's just
0:24:33like nope
0:24:33okay I'm out but eventually somebody
0:24:36wants me to watch all the signs were
0:24:38there that it would favor
0:24:40I'm starting to think you guys are not
0:24:41gonna be on board for the Hudson Hawk
0:24:43yeah Andy Miguel ok let's talk let's
0:24:50talk about the individual problems much
0:24:51and she's in several movies that i
0:24:54really like I still don't like her like
0:24:56I love for weddings and a funeral but i
0:24:58just cannot can't take her
0:25:00I i think there are things in this movie
0:25:03that made me laugh because I think
0:25:05they're very ending the dow like like
0:25:06the love of rhinestones and they're all
0:25:09these things that I think you know if
0:25:10this was me if this was make Ryan or
0:25:12some other kind of romantic comedy
0:25:13actress we would be like look like the
0:25:16quirks that sally has and when harry met
0:25:18sally right if those were the quirks of
0:25:20Rita here it would be like oh that's so
0:25:23adorable and instead they're also
0:25:24annoying she likes the French poetry and
0:25:27she has the sweet vermouth on the rocks
0:25:29is your favorite rain for god sake
0:25:32and.and she--and and wanted to post to
0:25:34like to toast to world peace and she
0:25:36goes oh hi mom when Bill Murray says he
0:25:38gives a prayer and social world peace
0:25:41and she live in altitude from the
0:25:44mountain back at high elevation I do
0:25:47think she's less offensively bad in this
0:25:49movie than most of the movies she's been
0:25:50in certainly because in this she's she's
0:25:53supposed to be kind of a big doofus
0:25:55so when she turns out to be one it
0:25:57actually works a little bit although she
0:25:59is still irritating but she does I think
0:26:00she does successfully pull off sweet
0:26:02yellow although it is it's it's kind of
0:26:05in a to brain-damaged for malice kind of
0:26:07way she's almost sort of an ethereal
0:26:10Pixie dream girl you know she's just
0:26:12she's just she's there to be an object
0:26:15to be adored I mean she's not really a
0:26:17character
0:26:18yeah you're right you're right i think
0:26:20there's there's a progression there we
0:26:21learn more about here but I think you're
0:26:23right in the sense that this is not a
0:26:24movie about
0:26:25Bill Murray learning who she is and
0:26:29appreciating who she is it's it's I mean
0:26:32it's about him perfecting himself but by
0:26:34being willing to learn about her not
0:26:36about her her i mean literally she can't
0:26:39grow right cuz ya groundhog day but I i
0:26:44I'm so I think that's I think that's
0:26:46fair i mean what we really see is Bill
0:26:48Murray learning to appreciate her for
0:26:49who she is given you know what little
0:26:52information he can clean on this one
0:26:54particularly well but she's also a the
0:26:57antithesis for his character the
0:26:59beginning right men that he's a jerk and
0:27:00sleazy and she's you know at heart a
0:27:03good nice simple person who who you
0:27:07can't dislike right and then it's just
0:27:09kind of like this is your everything
0:27:11she's not that's basically what his
0:27:13character was the beginning right this
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0:28:53the incomparable I think the one the one
0:28:56thing that bugs me a tiny little bit
0:28:58about this movie is the resolution when
0:29:00it comes to her because that last day
0:29:03for whatever reason she completely Falls
0:29:07for him in one day so she's known him
0:29:09for you know she's new with the new
0:29:10station but she's been there long enough
0:29:12to get an idea of who hear the person
0:29:14and then suddenly he makes an abrupt
0:29:16shift in acts different and just because
0:29:19he's nice to everybody else she
0:29:20completely Falls for him and it just
0:29:22seems a little bit and maybe maybe
0:29:24that's just she is that sweet and nice
0:29:26and perhaps a little bubble-headed that
0:29:28that's the kind of thing that she'll
0:29:29just go for I don't know
0:29:31yeah the last day is sort of problematic
0:29:32for a variety of reasons but i think
0:29:34that's the main well and we spend the
0:29:36whole movie with her not falling for
0:29:38that and not falling for him even when
0:29:40he does everything perfectly right
0:29:42staged and then you could argue that
0:29:46what makes her fall for him is not him
0:29:50it so it's not him trying to put the
0:29:52moves on it and then it's not him trying
0:29:54to do exactly what she thinks she wants
0:29:57to hear
0:29:58in the end the thing that gets her is
0:30:01him being in this community and
0:30:05understanding these people and knowing
0:30:07about them and sort of caring for them
0:30:09and being able to do the right things
0:30:10and being liked by them and so you could
0:30:12argue that in the end what winter / is
0:30:14that she didn't realize that when they
0:30:16go to Punxsutawney Pennsylvania he is
0:30:18completely beloved by all the people in
0:30:20the town and cares about all these you
0:30:23know strangers essentially so I mean I'm
0:30:26not sure I buy that but that that's the
0:30:27difference is that it she really
0:30:28impressed with how he works with the
0:30:30town more than when he's working on her
0:30:32and I could like a goodbye that if they
0:30:34were if they were there for several days
0:30:35but when you think about the amount of
0:30:37time he spends running around town
0:30:39making everybody else like him she only
0:30:41really sees him like that at that party
0:30:42scene at the end and then when they
0:30:44wander around town afterwards so exact
0:30:46wherewhere with them all day but she she
0:30:48sees him in the morning and she sees him
0:30:50again at night and the only thing that
0:30:51really mean sure all these people are
0:30:53coming up to him and say well he did all
0:30:55these great things during the day but
0:30:56she doesn't really know what those
0:30:57things are so why does you know and and
0:31:00the other thing is that makes me think
0:31:03that she's really falling for him
0:31:04because he can play the piano because
0:31:06the other stuff is so minor and that
0:31:09doesn't add much to her character for me
0:31:11why did he fall for her there's no he
0:31:12fell for her because she's the only one
0:31:14in town that he can't bet that's my
0:31:16that's my opinion to theory so your
0:31:18theory is that there's a whole series of
0:31:20scenes where he had sex with every other
0:31:21person in town yes i like and that's one
0:31:24of the reason for his attraction to her
0:31:25is because she's the only chickentown
0:31:27has no chance a point i don't know he he
0:31:29does say that the first time he saw her
0:31:31and this is when she's asleep so he has
0:31:32no reason to lie
0:31:33the first time he saw her she changed
0:31:35something in him and made him want to be
0:31:36better so I think that maybe groundhog
0:31:38day was just an opportunity for that to
0:31:41play itself out whereas if you didn't
0:31:42relive the steak and again he would have
0:31:44just like squash that down like we all
0:31:46do with so many good intention that I
0:31:48started I these made up that mythology
0:31:50in his own mind to explain why key by
0:31:53easy but that's not really it she's
0:31:55gonna tease been doing this for ten
0:31:57thousand years he's going to get some of
0:31:59the details wrong in the know about when
0:32:01he first met well that's an interesting
0:32:03point you'll notice for all his talk of
0:32:05falling in love with her at first sight
0:32:06he does not start in on her until he's
0:32:09already had his way with half if not all
0:32:11of the town do you think even remembers
0:32:13what it's like what temporary first was
0:32:15like does he know his old address may be
0:32:17that one needs to move to this town has
0:32:20not been a weatherman a long time and
0:32:23all the weather has been exactly the
0:32:24same so he's really out of practice
0:32:26yeah it doesn't know where the studio is
0:32:27c by fascinated by your theory juices
0:32:30are you positing that uh that Phil
0:32:33Connors has bedded the the tree of the
0:32:35trio of old ladies
0:32:37yes he's definitely been with them he
0:32:39was Doris the way to break in
0:32:40Robin ducal for a spin alrighty old hobo
0:32:43for a bit of variety Debbie the bride
0:32:45you absolutely girls are wearing yeah
0:32:47she's already having questions about her
0:32:49upcoming wedding that one of the
0:32:51brilliant things about this movie is
0:32:52that we really can there there are huge
0:32:54gaps here because this this is not
0:32:57anybody who has that trivia question
0:32:59like Erica said about how
0:33:00he loops are shown yes but the
0:33:03implication here is that there is a you
0:33:06know nearly infinite number of loops
0:33:07that we haven't seen that has allowed
0:33:09all sorts of crazy things to happen and
0:33:11I actually like the movie gets dark in
0:33:12the middle where he despairs that he
0:33:14goes through these various points it end
0:33:18up the process of being trapped in this
0:33:19day it is the learning i enjoy the the
0:33:23you know we can drive on the railroad
0:33:24tracks so i can get put in jail and it
0:33:26doesn't matter
0:33:27and then and then I can rob the better
0:33:29the armored car and it doesn't matter
0:33:32and yeah and then that aggression he
0:33:34goes through seems very very natural yes
0:33:37he gets he skis confused then he's
0:33:39panicked then he's despairing then he
0:33:41goes through like a risk-taking phase
0:33:43that he realizes you can take advantage
0:33:44of the situation and then there's a
0:33:46whole segment trying to bed and mcdowell
0:33:48which seems kind of ill-advised maybe
0:33:49still is risk-taking but whatever that
0:33:52he's depressed then he suicidally
0:33:55depressed then finally has resigned and
0:33:57decides he's willing to take a stab at
0:33:59redemption and that all kind of seems
0:34:00like a really organic way that most
0:34:04people would probably deal with this
0:34:05situation will he snap at the moment he
0:34:07snaps we're here where he steals the
0:34:09groundhog
0:34:09hey which is maybe my favorite thing in
0:34:11the movies like destroy the ground dog
0:34:14and and ends up going off the cliff at
0:34:17the quarry which also has a fascinating
0:34:19moment that I think maybe the only
0:34:21example of this video in the entire
0:34:22movie which is they see his dead body so
0:34:24the implication there is that the day
0:34:26continues whether he's alive or dead and
0:34:29then it resets oh no that's I want after
0:34:31he after jumping off the tower of the
0:34:33right okay don't you write writes that
0:34:35to their lease Oded seeing the dead body
0:34:38that's fascinating because it's like
0:34:39it's not just his perspective the whole
0:34:40day goes on but there's nobody there to
0:34:42observe it minute and then reset switch
0:34:44is fast me but I love that he in that in
0:34:46those depths he's that that he hits rock
0:34:50bottom and then realizes there's nothing
0:34:51you can do there's like literally
0:34:52nothing he can do to stop this in my
0:34:55dark head I you know I a fill-in extra
0:34:57days like there had to have been times
0:34:58where he went still some guns and went
0:35:00on shooting rampages okay yes I'm sure
0:35:02you've got much much darker but they had
0:35:04to cut that sort of you know he doesn't
0:35:05have that in a family we when you get
0:35:07right down to it when he's trying to bed
0:35:09and mcdowell that is actually really
0:35:11creepy
0:35:12oh yeah
0:35:13I was 40 yeah i mean eat when he's
0:35:15moving he's been pushing the right
0:35:17buttons right room and trying harder and
0:35:18harder it's it gets really damn
0:35:21uncomfortable for me and I didn't know
0:35:23if I was just watching it with the
0:35:242014-2015 eyes or if it felt that creepy
0:35:28one when i saw in the first in theater
0:35:30and I didn't remember it but that's
0:35:33awfully don't if you're still reading
0:35:342014 on your eyes
0:35:37no you're right no any and it's meant to
0:35:39be the idea there is that he is he is
0:35:42manipulating those situations he is
0:35:44robotic Lee laughs I i think it's a
0:35:47chilling scene where he is getting his
0:35:50rehearsing what he says to her at the
0:35:52bar and is there something wrong way and
0:35:54the world yeah anything he says he says
0:35:56like okay this remove remove you know
0:35:58what he's getting been toasted world
0:35:59peace right that is super creepy because
0:36:02that and that that's like the phase of
0:36:04of his relationship with her where there
0:36:06he's just trying to please her and say
0:36:08the right thing and it and it still
0:36:10doesn't work the the Isle of the moment
0:36:12also where he totally is freaked out and
0:36:15trying to rush through the snowball
0:36:16fight
0:36:17hey yeah really and i love the whole
0:36:20read a courtship exclusively because it
0:36:23gives the opportunity for them to show
0:36:25how on the first day as the extract some
0:36:28new tidbit of information from from from
0:36:30rita he sounds totally natural and then
0:36:32on subsequent repeats of the same lines
0:36:34they sound more and more force like he's
0:36:37reading from a script and it culminated
0:36:39in that that snowball fight scene where
0:36:41he's in the first scene is playful and
0:36:43he's having this that the fight with the
0:36:44kids and he's kind of you know it seems
0:36:46like he's having fun and then he goes
0:36:48out early manic in the last one that we
0:36:50see it's it's like a video game right i
0:36:52mean we we made this analogy earlier
0:36:53he's literally just going through steps
0:36:56and realizes if he doesn't trace retrace
0:36:58his steps he can't get to the next bit
0:37:01and it's gonna reset and he's gonna have
0:37:02to do it again and again it's like
0:37:04losing in the middle of a level and
0:37:05going back to the save point right so
0:37:07Leslie a compare this particular so
0:37:09great oh you guys unless there's some
0:37:12snowballs right we're going kids lots of
0:37:14kids posture your adoption it i like to
0:37:18go back for a second because i think one
0:37:21of my favorite things from just a
0:37:22character standpoint is the risk-taking
0:37:24phase because
0:37:26so many people in movies get stuck in
0:37:28weird twilight zone environments and
0:37:31they never investigate what the rules
0:37:34are of their reality but he has to and I
0:37:37really appreciate seeing a kick your
0:37:39character say alright well it's a
0:37:42basically has a checklist
0:37:44well what happens if I die okay what
0:37:47happens if i stay up all night
0:37:48nope alright he's like defining for
0:37:52himself the rules of his world while the
0:37:54same time defining for the character
0:37:55that excuse me
0:37:56defining for the audience what the rules
0:37:58are and i would like more people to do
0:38:00that when they're in crazy nutso world
0:38:03has happened so often in movies i wanted
0:38:05to say about the repeated scenes where
0:38:07we see things sort of change aspect I i
0:38:09think that's that's a huge that says a
0:38:12lot about Bill Murray's acting
0:38:13capability i think he really does a
0:38:16fantastic job in this just some of them
0:38:19are very subtle I mean that as he's you
0:38:21know repeatedly coming in and doing the
0:38:22vermouth and then the world peace thing
0:38:24it's it's just fascinating to me how
0:38:27those those repeated lines he does such
0:38:30a good job of making it clear that he's
0:38:32you know he's just kind of going through
0:38:33the motions of that part because he
0:38:34knows how this part works and and the
0:38:38other thing i want to say about his is
0:38:40acting in this film is a when Phil Marie
0:38:42tries to be emotional
0:38:44he usually doesn't really bad job he
0:38:47usually either seems like he's he's
0:38:48sarcastic or he's just being straight-up
0:38:50psychotic like Scrooge i think is the
0:38:53best example where you know he has a big
0:38:55turnaround at the end of screwed and he
0:38:57seems like he should be locked up
0:39:00yeah once he's been redeemed he seems
0:39:02like you know he's totally manic and
0:39:04he's frightening more than he is you
0:39:06know heartwarming but in this movie he
0:39:08really does i think a really great job
0:39:10of pulling off the emoting he's he does
0:39:13the like even the the kind of ridiculous
0:39:15speeches like that when you stand in the
0:39:18snow you look like an angel that comes
0:39:20off is really real and I was completely
0:39:22unaware before this movie that pit bill
0:39:24murray was actually capable of that even
0:39:27is little to his long declaration of
0:39:29love for reading while she's asleep i
0:39:30think that works like gangbusters
0:39:32yeah so although i keep saying to myself
0:39:34oh if only were not and even tell that
0:39:37he was talking about it
0:39:38don't I really don't like her I think
0:39:40it's a testament to this movie how much
0:39:42i love this movie that I i love it even
0:39:44though Andy McDowell is the is the the
0:39:47romantic lead here because i don't like
0:39:50her I don't I don't I don't I do does
0:39:54say repeatedly series mean maybe it's
0:39:56the Heidi to effect and the reason the
0:39:58hands up liking her so much is simply
0:40:00because he spends all that time with her
0:40:02and just gets used to it like everybody
0:40:04else in town maybe she reminds him of
0:40:06hiding his favorite think it's possible
0:40:09that doesn't make sense
0:40:11she's a handwriting remind him of
0:40:12everything at that point mm you know I i
0:40:16do think this is the perfect moon match
0:40:18of a character to an actor in bill
0:40:19murray in anyway don't know in bill
0:40:22murray that that you want the the fact
0:40:24that it's the cynical weatherman and
0:40:26that he starts off in a place where he's
0:40:28not he's not a horrible human being but
0:40:30he's not in a good place his priorities
0:40:32are all screwed up
0:40:34he doesn't know what he wants he's
0:40:35unhappy and uh and then ya see if you're
0:40:39totally right hehe takes this he takes
0:40:41this journey and it was really
0:40:43well-suited to what what Bill Murray's
0:40:45good at and then when he gets them the
0:40:47moment where you where he's finally
0:40:48perfected this day and show some genuine
0:40:52emotion that isn't you know anchor or
0:40:55mania that that uh that it is it's it
0:40:59comes across well i agree and he doesn't
0:41:02become an angel he still recognizably
0:41:04Bill Murray
0:41:05yeah like I if you walked in saw
0:41:07somebody playing the piano like that
0:41:09with those sunglasses back i don't i
0:41:13thought that that last day that's when
0:41:15the other things that always bugged me
0:41:16about the last days that he still kind
0:41:18of an arrogant jerk and he had more
0:41:21crazy night last at last seriously he
0:41:24kept getting better and better and like
0:41:25a nicer guy and everything else in the
0:41:27last days kinda like he's very smug and
0:41:29I always bugged me so here's another
0:41:31theory that I have which is the it's not
0:41:35about the perfect day right
0:41:37it's about getting the perfect ending to
0:41:39the perfect day and he reaches the point
0:41:41where he's he is there with read at the
0:41:44end and is not putting like putting the
0:41:47moves on her
0:41:48he's happy to be there with her
0:41:51and it has resigned that he's gonna
0:41:53reset and he's gonna lose everything I
0:41:55if I've got my theory for why it moves
0:41:58to februari third it's that which is
0:42:00that's that's what gets him over the
0:42:02edge is that in the end he's not doing
0:42:04anything in that last moment with her
0:42:06that is that is any of his game playing
0:42:10but from before or particularly selfish
0:42:12he sort of like he's content and
0:42:14in-the-moment yeah he's happy to spend
0:42:15that time with her he reaches the be
0:42:17here now sort of philosophy that we get
0:42:19the ramdev philosophy which my dad
0:42:21always tells me he finally gets to that
0:42:23point where he's not wishing it was a
0:42:24different day he is comfortable where he
0:42:26is and you know its enlightenment in a
0:42:28way so he moves on however throughout
0:42:30none of this does he ever eat the
0:42:32chocolates on the nightstand
0:42:34what kind of monster is he haha i assume
0:42:37that he's had the you know the the giant
0:42:40the giant brunch or lunch at the diner
0:42:43every day
0:42:44those are probably fresh chocolates on
0:42:46his nightstand each night he's probably
0:42:48in the date the morning chocolates and
0:42:50the maid is coming and put our table
0:42:52doesn't eat the chocolates immediately
0:42:54when walking in the room I think he's
0:42:56had those chocolates thousands of time
0:42:58beer propane-burning yeah he's a little
0:43:00liars Jocelyn's he's eating them a
0:43:02thousand times he's pooped about a
0:43:03thousand yeah i know not if he eats them
0:43:06at the end of the day might actually end
0:43:07up pooping at all for 10,000 years it's
0:43:10possible that there is going to be
0:43:12unpinned and then morning before this
0:43:14for me
0:43:15yeah poor read almost his alcoholism not
0:43:17having warm water for that entire time
0:43:19yeah follow through on the ram dass note
0:43:22i really like the idea this is the story
0:43:23of him learning to live in the moment
0:43:25when he's been forced to live
0:43:27essentially in one moment forever
0:43:30mmhmm yeah but he ultimately makes his
0:43:33peace with it and that's what gets him
0:43:35out of it yeah i think so very very
0:43:37Buddhist what what yeah absolutely
0:43:39what do you think about so one of the
0:43:43obviously the philosophical implications
0:43:45here are fascinating what do you think
0:43:48about the choice to have no clear
0:43:51mechanism for him getting in or out of
0:43:53this I i love it but I I'm just curious
0:43:56that we never there's never an
0:43:58explanation in this movie it's kind of
0:43:59refreshing to me but there's no we all
0:44:01just get to make it up i watch this with
0:44:03Stephen who had never seen this movie
0:44:05for and the the one thing that he said
0:44:06when the movie ended he threw his hands
0:44:09in the air innocent us he was not sure
0:44:14that he could handle not knowing where
0:44:15to me that the questions never even
0:44:17occurred to me maybe it did the first
0:44:18time I saw and I just forgot about that
0:44:20but i like not knowing that means it's
0:44:23not just why did this day get repeated
0:44:25that's why did the universe or fate or
0:44:27whatever pick this particular porsche
0:44:29love for this torturous Redemption does
0:44:31this happen to everybody at some point
0:44:32in their life or is it just this guy for
0:44:34some reason and because you don't know
0:44:36why it started you get to make up for
0:44:38yourself why it ended with i think makes
0:44:40the end of the movie much more
0:44:41interesting
0:44:42yeah yeah i mean it would to me it would
0:44:45ruin the whole movie for someone to say
0:44:46this is exactly what happened why he got
0:44:48out of it because if you set that up it
0:44:51serve takes all the mystery out of it in
0:44:52android i I'm like Jason glad that they
0:44:56never say a thing about it it would make
0:44:58it mechanical and I feel like the the
0:45:00beauty of this movie is that it really
0:45:01flows well i think it works really well
0:45:04without it i think it could work with it
0:45:06the movie edge of tomorrow which
0:45:08recently came out the tom cruise movie
0:45:10with this exact plot was actually really
0:45:13good and it does have an explanation for
0:45:15it but it but that was the worst part of
0:45:17the whole movie I thought huh
0:45:18explanation was the worst part of the
0:45:22source code is a similar kind of theme
0:45:24and I enjoyed that movie too
0:45:25oh yeah me too there's a great novel i'm
0:45:27going to mention it i think i put my
0:45:29plug it when we did the holiday ball
0:45:30episode 2 called replay by a guy named
0:45:34Ken Grimwood and it's about somebody who
0:45:38gets thrown back in time like 30 years
0:45:41in his life and lives it over again and
0:45:43gets to the same moment and then gets
0:45:44thrown back in time like 28 years in his
0:45:47life so weak his cycle keeps getting
0:45:48closer but he's reliving his chunk of
0:45:51his life over and over again and have
0:45:54and it's from like nineteen ninety or
0:45:56personally predates 19 or meet the
0:45:59ladies it predates this movie but it's
0:46:02similar kind of themes except there
0:46:03you've got a much longer time scale and
0:46:05so you can you can see sort of like how
0:46:07your decisions play out over time rather
0:46:09than here
0:46:11Bill Murray has no I mean he's he's
0:46:13trapped here there's nothing he can do
0:46:15that has any lasting impact which is a
0:46:17little bit different but I love
0:46:18I love having that that approach and I
0:46:20do love that that is completely open to
0:46:24interpretation is very clear that he he
0:46:27sets on this journey of self-improvement
0:46:28and the end he gets out of it so you
0:46:32know i don't i don't know I maybe
0:46:34everybody in this world lives through
0:46:37that right on i think that's enough even
0:46:39though our protagonist is an infinite
0:46:41stalker
0:46:42this isn't romantic fantasy well and in
0:46:45this unit area that mean you can't leave
0:46:47so he stalks everybody in town once you
0:46:50know exactly where everyone is
0:46:53yeah i think that if I think I don't
0:46:55think he starts out as a stalker I think
0:46:57he developed into a stalker because he's
0:46:59been on this day yes I was in dreams
0:47:01yeah we go stalk that guy down with your
0:47:04story right so I'm gonna hang out with
0:47:07this guide for the next year you know
0:47:09everything about him and tell you bored
0:47:11with him so I think it's kind of a
0:47:13developed stockers yeah he probably
0:47:15rummages through everyone's house where
0:47:16they're not home right now he had enough
0:47:19time to he probably did and you know
0:47:21that's one of the things that about this
0:47:22movie watching it
0:47:24this is the first time I've seen it in
0:47:25years and I I I didn't feel as warm and
0:47:30fuzzy about it as I did the way back
0:47:32then and I keep coming back to mi older
0:47:35and wiser now or am I just words i'm
0:47:38just looking through it through more
0:47:39cynical eyes or was it or you know I
0:47:42just do I just don't know but it is the
0:47:45I do see such darkness in the character
0:47:48that i almost have trouble coming to the
0:47:51end of the movie when he's redeemed and
0:47:53and a a good guy again is it helps to
0:47:57think about you think about it on on the
0:47:59scale
0:48:00I mean throughout somebody's life you
0:48:02know safe 50 or 60 years that person is
0:48:05not necessarily the same person that
0:48:07they were from when they were young you
0:48:08know maybe they did something terrible
0:48:09in your twenties and then you know
0:48:11redeem themself i don't think i would
0:48:13necessarily judge a 65 year old person
0:48:15on what they were doing when they were
0:48:17in their twenties in this case is dark
0:48:19period could be three and a half
0:48:21thousand years from the end of the movie
0:48:23where he gets his Redemption so for me
0:48:25I'm able to sort of mitigate it in that
0:48:27way
0:48:28yeah he's certainly burn this town down
0:48:30a few times murdering everybody sure and
0:48:33some somebody in the chat room is asking
0:48:34about the boundaries of the magical zone
0:48:36i had actually one of the brilliant
0:48:37things in here is its implied that
0:48:39because of the blizzard that hit just
0:48:41out of sight outside of town and cut off
0:48:43all the long-distance lines and all of
0:48:44those things that essentially
0:48:46punxsutawney is in a bubble and it's cut
0:48:48off by the weather from the outside
0:48:50world but it has the net effect of it
0:48:52being that he can't leave town
0:48:54he is trapped in this time bubble for
0:48:57all eternity essentially Whelan
0:49:00yeah in fact even say during the movie
0:49:02that the blizzards basically shutting
0:49:04off all everything from the outside
0:49:05world but it misses the talent
0:49:07completely completely yea even
0:49:09communications you know he can't get a
0:49:11long-distance line which is watching at
0:49:12this time made me giggle at things
0:49:14different
0:49:15this could have been a very very
0:49:16different movie had his head the day
0:49:18changed februari third right after one
0:49:21of his killing spree de mi yeah I
0:49:24thought of that every time for his death
0:49:26right i mean that boy he was willing to
0:49:28die because you need to be out of there
0:49:30but we've been like up and then it was
0:49:32the next day
0:49:33oh well we'll never know why he did that
0:49:35it's possible that there are 10,000
0:49:37years worth of alternate realities
0:49:39spawned by each of those days
0:49:41very nice I anybody have any words for
0:49:44uh for Stephen Tobolowsky as Ned Ryerson
0:49:47every this is my kids favorite thing in
0:49:49the entire movie is when he said this
0:49:51Ned and punches punches Stephen
0:49:54Tobolowsky in the face it in riga so am
0:49:57i right am i right all right
0:49:58am I right or am i right right i think
0:50:00it was probably a bad idea for Stephen
0:50:02Tobolowsky to be so great in this
0:50:04because i'm certain that for the rest of
0:50:06his life
0:50:07this is how people come up to him and
0:50:09greet him right oh yeah I know any he's
0:50:12been in hundreds of films and this is
0:50:14this is you know that what you're known
0:50:16for I'm a crybaby does that mean the
0:50:18other an actor to have a role that's so
0:50:20iconic that people come up to you and
0:50:22talk about it all the time when they
0:50:23talk about yes but specifically a
0:50:25character who runs up to people and the
0:50:28costs them
0:50:30people are running up to him and costing
0:50:32him
0:50:33yes because I've been playing a
0:50:35memorable polite character it's just
0:50:37great it's just a great little bit i
0:50:38love i love that bryerson it's just it's
0:50:41just crazy and hey watch out for that
0:50:45first step it's a doozy your other
0:50:51favorite one is one that they don't
0:50:53repeat it nearly as many times but it's
0:50:55a guy on the stairs at the beginning
0:50:56haseeno says off to see the groundhog
0:50:58and that actor actually was a
0:51:01short-lived sitcom called Herman's head
0:51:02that yes I remember him from alongside
0:51:05the voice of lisa simpson and and he had
0:51:09area Molly Kagan we all know the full
0:51:10cast and jelly time it's really this is
0:51:13handling guys so she's also in down
0:51:16periscope anyway but anyway so that at
0:51:21the last time where Bill Murray gives
0:51:24that the little speech about it about it
0:51:26and he just liked the look on his face
0:51:28as Bill Murray walks away down the
0:51:30stairs like yeah he's straightened
0:51:32himself up and use has this big grand
0:51:33and that's where I first really start
0:51:35seeing that bill murray's making a
0:51:36positive or has the ability to make a
0:51:38real positive impact on the town
0:51:41it's even just just little things like
0:51:42this it works yeah I like baby yeah he
0:51:45created the he quotes the French poetry
0:51:47at him and that's what is no man-made
0:51:50that is yeah well that this is the kind
0:51:52of thing where you look at the cast list
0:51:53minutes and he's man in hallway and you
0:51:55think well that is just like a throwaway
0:51:56it's like nope he's got a lot of stuff
0:51:58to do is manage hallway because we see
0:52:01that seemed you know good eight or nine
0:52:03times amazing i want to throw in a few
0:52:08good words for Gus and Ralph yes do come
0:52:12and who I remember from I can't even say
0:52:14he was well he was in spaceballs right
0:52:17ya think he's one of the dark helmet
0:52:20students and he's an even and and die
0:52:22hard and a lot of other things you know
0:52:24over the over the years Rickman and and
0:52:27the other guy who I recognized but I
0:52:29can't think of what it all was in and I
0:52:31love those guys those are the guys that
0:52:33there's the classic line like what would
0:52:34you guys do if every day was the same is
0:52:36via the last and has no meaning to
0:52:39commit to the like
0:52:41pretty much sums it up for me yeah yes
0:52:43oh that's the most heartbreaking moment
0:52:45my feelings for me
0:52:47I mean that you know i'm i'm too drunk
0:52:48to drive my car and I'll Drive you and
0:52:50then and then at if I wanted to run into
0:52:52you in 24 mailboxes I couldn't
0:52:54clarifications people don't matta
0:52:58district do command is prison guard in
0:53:00space ball haha yeah that's it there you
0:53:02go
0:53:02I just remember him with wacky makeup
0:53:05and stuff and ya know whatever get
0:53:06advantage about something like that how
0:53:08now we didn't we drop the Herman's head
0:53:10reference we're good for the rest of the
0:53:13episode anyway I love those guys they're
0:53:14not they're not around much after that
0:53:16but i I just I i love that he spend that
0:53:20time with them in the bowling alley and
0:53:21that they have the it there's this
0:53:23commentary on how you know they're
0:53:25living life as if it was in that loop
0:53:27where it's always the same sort of thing
0:53:29I also like how they suddenly even
0:53:31through the drunken stupor get concerned
0:53:33about them dying as the car chases
0:53:36killing you oh yeah don't drive on the
0:53:39railroad tracks
0:53:40that's what I happen to agree with my
0:53:43favorite part of that is don't mix beer
0:53:44and wine ever headline cracks me up
0:53:48everytime let me ask you something about
0:53:49the final day
0:53:50alright do you think he robbed the bank
0:53:53on that day know where did you get those
0:53:56wrestlemania tickets
0:53:57mm you might still have a credit card
0:54:01yeah WrestleMania is coming out of you
0:54:02forward that how did you forward a
0:54:04thousand-dollar piano lesson on every
0:54:06water cash remember because he gave it
0:54:08he gave it to the old guy early in the
0:54:11movie so he had massive out Cashin as
0:54:14well this isn't 1910 the ATM machine
0:54:16still work
0:54:17yeah no I don't want the lines of my
0:54:20wives going but that's when the blizzard
0:54:22hits before the blizzard there's there's
0:54:23there's no problem and I thought about
0:54:25the piano lessons was that you know the
0:54:27first day he goes he offers a thousand
0:54:29dollars if it was me the next day i
0:54:31would offer 800 ya see how that might
0:54:33just keep pulling it down till you get
0:54:34to the point where you know she's gonna
0:54:35say no and then that's your baseline
0:54:37just me piano lessons on the last day
0:54:39but he's no he has to take some other
0:54:41veggies are proud of your right you're
0:54:43right that that poor piano student is so
0:54:45devastated every to Bhutan ceremoniously
0:54:48from her lesson
0:54:49hey you're right you're right i i i
0:54:52don't know i don't think he is allowed
0:54:54to
0:54:54rob the bank and get to the next day I
0:54:57think he I think it's a good that's a
0:54:59very good question now but I don't think
0:55:00it's allowed i feel good almost be a
0:55:02waste of time because he has to sit
0:55:03there for a while watching them doing
0:55:05that and he's got a lot of other stuff
0:55:06to do you have it timed out so he
0:55:07doesn't have to spend that time like you
0:55:09played the level often enough you know
0:55:11when the fireballs coming he's got that
0:55:13sweet sweet weatherman money he doesn't
0:55:15need around the Pacific he needs to be
0:55:16done this game
0:55:17yeah he's doing fine so something I
0:55:19noticed this time that I maybe I didn't
0:55:22notice before but i didn't pay as close
0:55:23attention to is how good the direction
0:55:25and the cinematography and editing our I
0:55:29mean there are some scenes here that are
0:55:31just so well done there's that super
0:55:33close up shot of the clock numbers
0:55:35turning over which i think is really
0:55:36messing in the whole movie when it's
0:55:39just you know that when they actually
0:55:39built a model that that they could get
0:55:42real for a video of the clock radio as
0:55:45that as the time changes from 559 26 and
0:55:47it's that's a great shot
0:55:49I love the starkness of the scene where
0:55:51where Phil is reciting the DJ speech in
0:55:54bed on one of his dark days he looks so
0:55:57motherly haunted as he saying it's cold
0:55:59out there every day no yeah no good and
0:56:03the the cameras kind of pulling back
0:56:05from is though it's like we're repelled
0:56:07by his his sadness and then I never
0:56:11noticed this before but he he goes
0:56:13through the whole sequence where the old
0:56:15guys you know dying repeatedly from old
0:56:17age and there's the scenery is trying to
0:56:19resuscitate them out in the snow and it
0:56:23the camera pulls back after he tries to
0:56:25breathe you know some breath into him
0:56:27and you can see the steam from that
0:56:29breath kind of escaping on the breeze up
0:56:32into the air and that is just such
0:56:34genius cinematography right there and
0:56:36and of course there isn't a you know a
0:56:38subsequent breath as he kinda looks
0:56:39around and looks up at the sky as though
0:56:41you know why did this happen but it's so
0:56:43lovely
0:56:44well that and at that moment that whole
0:56:46sequence where he's trying to take care
0:56:48of the of the the old man is wonderful
0:56:52because that's the moment where he
0:56:54realizes that he's severely limited in
0:56:58what he can do like there's some things
0:56:59you can't change
0:57:00he's not a god at that point that's
0:57:02that's when he knows yeah it is a little
0:57:05weird that he keeps calling him father
0:57:07dad and I kind of wished you would've
0:57:09gotten the guys name at some point I
0:57:11don't know what does unless a mock
0:57:13anything yeah yeah maybe yeah I'll i do
0:57:17like the scene where he just keeps
0:57:18feeding him soup but I think that's
0:57:20going down there get far down there at
0:57:22the bottom up but yeah that's so good
0:57:25what else should we talk about about
0:57:27this i like I said my notes are sort of
0:57:29like a they just keep repeating things
0:57:31over and over again highlighting my
0:57:33notes to and and like often happens with
0:57:35these movies that we watch that i love
0:57:36all i do is end up just writing down all
0:57:38the quotes that I know and love anyway
0:57:40just because I like them
0:57:42I'm betting he's gonna swerve first
0:57:45oh my favorite one of my favorites is
0:57:51the have killed myself so many times I
0:57:53don't even exist anymore house i think
0:57:55that that is such a plaintiff the moment
0:57:58it is so bleak that it's which is the
0:58:01one line captures the mood of all of
0:58:03those scenes right there that's the
0:58:04annihilation of the self that is like he
0:58:06has to basically except that he's
0:58:09nothing and then he can start to put
0:58:12something together but it
0:58:14yeah i mean this this is I I think
0:58:16that's a really great example of a disc
0:58:18or one of the others core while of this
0:58:20movie is that it is both meaningful and
0:58:23funny at the same time which is really
0:58:27really hard to do and this movie does it
0:58:30like you know Bill Murray
0:58:31oh it's wacky Bill Murray and it is a
0:58:33frilly funny movie and yet at the same
0:58:35time it gets really dark and it is it's
0:58:38meaningful it's about somebody trying to
0:58:40search for meaning and like being given
0:58:42this opportunity that is a blessing and
0:58:44a curse to understand like why you know
0:58:47who people are and appreciating other
0:58:49people and and that's that you know
0:58:51that's a perfect example of its a very
0:58:53funny moment at the same time it is a
0:58:55super meaningful moment there are
0:58:57moments when it manages really a good
0:58:58heartbreak to like that after his big
0:59:01heartfelt speech to read in bed that
0:59:03first time when you hear that click of
0:59:05the clock turning over and then freakin
0:59:07bono is back
0:59:08it's like being stabbed in the gut but
0:59:10you're thinking how could he did it
0:59:12this was all about help help ok and you
0:59:15know character good character
0:59:16development is something that is
0:59:17important for for excellent films but i
0:59:20think very
0:59:20few films hang everything on the
0:59:23development of a character the way that
0:59:25this movie does that's that's really the
0:59:27whole point of all of it and this could
0:59:29have been Jim Belushi and michael caine
0:59:31and mr. destiny and why you got a chip
0:59:37on his podcast by raising Jim Belushi's
0:59:39that after my repeated grease two
0:59:41references you get mad at him nice I
0:59:45question the ice sculpting lessons I
0:59:47think that was probably a waste of time
0:59:49that seems a little odd doesn't it mhm
0:59:51and education is never a waste Jason if
0:59:53you got that much time
0:59:54what a cool thing to be able to there's
0:59:56a chainsaw and their blocks of ice why
0:59:58not pay bribe the guy
0:59:58not pay bribe the guy
1:00:00they teach you how to do some my
1:00:01sculpting he's gonna be sculpted nice
1:00:02today anyway and Bill Murray's he's
1:00:04actually using the chainsaw at one point
1:00:06which is pre-cut pretty good but she
1:00:08just kind of cutting cutting slots into
1:00:10the right they still a change huh
1:00:13and they went back to that like three or
1:00:15four times during the movie right
1:00:17oh we're back to the high school team
1:00:18again yeah that's a weird one but the
1:00:21thing is that with all these new skills
1:00:23he's got you know that you know on
1:00:25subsequent days nowadays out of the time
1:00:26loop he's still going to be kind of a
1:00:28stud mean he's a guy who can i sculpt
1:00:30and play the piano and you can sculpt
1:00:32one head all right yeah let's just
1:00:34sculpt you know you're usually too many
1:00:36teenage on the Eagle right all right
1:00:39yeah maybe skills know maybe boy talk
1:00:43about hell you're trapped listening to
1:00:45the morning zoo every morning and seeing
1:00:47terrible jokes they're ready badge but
1:00:50that's what it's like listening to a
1:00:52morning zoo in real life though the
1:00:55rotating new jokes you never had the
1:00:57best elementary school and high school
1:00:59they they had the morning zoo on and i
1:01:01think i have no escape
1:01:03okay campers rise and shine well that's
1:01:05what that's what makes that morning
1:01:07scene so have such impact is that
1:01:10everybody's ever listen to morning radio
1:01:11is like yes this is exactly how it goes
1:01:14right yeah no I have a theory that I
1:01:16first noticed for the first time in this
1:01:18one on his last day something changes
1:01:22before the end because its nose when he
1:01:26and Anna MacDonald are outside and we
1:01:27had never seen that before which I never
1:01:30noticed in the past but this time i
1:01:31noticed Bill Murray's reaction to it
1:01:33when it starts snowing
1:01:34he looks visibly surprise like this is
1:01:37something different so I i think that
1:01:39maybe at that point he somehow knew or
1:01:43suspected at least that it was it was
1:01:45finally over
1:01:47it's because there's a butterfly in
1:01:48South America also having the same day
1:01:51over and over again
1:01:52it finally figured out what to do that's
1:01:55a chaos theory joka its rightful is it
1:01:58thanks for explaining that to me that's
1:01:59why is your funny fashion culture is
1:02:03implanted them all
1:02:04yeah male Andie McDowell we should do a
1:02:09movie together okay
1:02:10yes they should because and you
1:02:12complained about me talking about
1:02:13involution all right some people got to
1:02:15do their favorite lines i'm throwing
1:02:16mine okay do a tie for me it's a tie
1:02:18between I don't know where you're headed
1:02:20but can you call in sick and what do you
1:02:26say what do you say you little brat you
1:02:28have never thank me tomorrow i love that
1:02:31yeah I could just runs away with this
1:02:32big smile on his face every single time
1:02:35i'll see you tomorrow maybe maybe 51 out
1:02:39of 10 times I just let you die
1:02:41yeah actually my all-time favorite line
1:02:44is yes but my father was a piano mover
1:02:47we don't know why I had an ex-boyfriend
1:02:49for you that line all the time and it's
1:02:52just cracked me up ever since
1:02:53yeah I'm with jason i think my favorite
1:02:55is well no probably not now
1:02:59yeah it's very light you could still be
1:03:02a lot that is great my favorite line
1:03:04isn't one of the funny ones i just it
1:03:06always gets me when he says not today
1:03:08like this is my day
1:03:11oh that's right when he started dying
1:03:12that's why I just died yeah oh yeah
1:03:14that's a great line very possessive of
1:03:17his day more than of his town I think
1:03:19well what if there is no tomorrow there
1:03:21wasn't one today
1:03:24don't you worry about cholesterol I
1:03:26don't worry about anything anything
1:03:27that's what makes me so special that
1:03:31scene isn't simultaneously my most and
1:03:33least favorite scene of the movie
1:03:35because that spread of food there and
1:03:37just off of all of the things that he is
1:03:39able to do in the movie i think just
1:03:41being able to eat all of that stuff is
1:03:44the one thing that I'm the most jealous
1:03:45of and I don't like what that says about
1:03:47myself but it's true i mean you totally
1:03:49do that if there's absolutely no
1:03:51consequences to anything
1:03:53then why wouldn't you do it because you
1:03:55know nothing's going to change that mean
1:03:57that that's what the whole movies about
1:03:58is you can literally do anything it
1:03:59doesn't it doesn't matter
1:04:01I going out jump off the clock tower
1:04:03doesn't matter
1:04:04yeah i mean watching watching this thing
1:04:06it makes me you know wistful about we're
1:04:09wishing i had more time to learn the
1:04:10piano don't learn to draw all that yeah
1:04:13you know he has that he has this
1:04:15he's at the he gets past the I want to
1:04:18get something from these other people
1:04:20stop moments and he gets into the I want
1:04:23to learn all this stuff and do all of
1:04:25this really cool stuff
1:04:26and that's that's the that's the
1:04:29bittersweet thing for me it's not so
1:04:30much the the the spread of pastry but
1:04:34the the stuff that he gets to do that i
1:04:40will never have all the time that I want
1:04:42to do that's one of my favorite parts of
1:04:43the movie is that there's this
1:04:44underlying theme of what would you do if
1:04:46you had all the time in the world and
1:04:49you know and he was never gonna run out
1:04:50right
1:04:51learn to be an ice sculptor but there's
1:04:52a limited number of things in the town
1:04:54for him to use as resources and it's not
1:04:57as turn that exists so you can only you
1:05:00can only read the books that are in the
1:05:01library or bookstore
1:05:02yeah I imagine he's read every book at
1:05:04the library there's only one diner and
1:05:06they serve exactly the same meal in
1:05:08exactly the same way every single day
1:05:10yeah you probably think of those
1:05:12pastries pretty quick but we know he did
1:05:14not learn to become a great chef on this
1:05:16day actually one of the things that's
1:05:19funny is that if that if if the diner
1:05:21literally has the same food every day
1:05:25you could be like I want that pastry on
1:05:27the left because that's a good that's
1:05:29the goodness a good one you really have
1:05:31literally no that that was the good
1:05:33pastry but even if you order something
1:05:35off the menu it's going to be made
1:05:36exactly the same way unless you run back
1:05:38into the kitchen and then you know throw
1:05:40some salt in there so but i do like the
1:05:41idea that you might have a favorite
1:05:42donut my tree house that's a good donut
1:05:46you gotta get that don't but you gotta
1:05:47get it right away because then this
1:05:48other guys gonna order that donut if you
1:05:50don't get in line right away so you got
1:05:52to get that done before he does like
1:05:54that the perfect donut
1:05:55i goddamn orchestrated nobody ever
1:05:57orders the pastry know it's gonna be
1:05:59there at the end of the day they'll give
1:06:00it to give it to you at the end of the
1:06:01day to come in
1:06:02that's a certain thing they just give it
1:06:03to you that that is the meaning of this
1:06:05movie the true meaning of this movie is
1:06:06if you understand all the food at the
1:06:08diner then you can finally be at peace
1:06:12you're right he's a total mess on
1:06:13februari third disney and probably for
1:06:16weeks or months afterwards he's he's a
1:06:19mess
1:06:20what people are saying things I don't
1:06:21expect and don't understand he's
1:06:23probably gonna get hit by a car because
1:06:25not even used to looking both ways when
1:06:26crossing the center because we know
1:06:28what's wrong with others are that's why
1:06:29he needs reader reader needs to take
1:06:31care of him
1:06:32yeah she strikes me as the kind of
1:06:33person who would be ok with that with
1:06:35her sweet vermouth on the ice just fire
1:06:37some rice rhinestones will be happy that
1:06:39this
1:06:40this conversation we've we've spent a
1:06:42lot of time you know dissecting and
1:06:43cutting way deep into this and finding
1:06:46all the darkest resource recesses of
1:06:48this movie
1:06:49welcome to the uncomfortable tip all
1:06:52about dark recesses here we've poked all
1:06:54kinds of holes in the redemption arc and
1:06:56still we love the redemption arc well
1:06:59it's true it feels true true to itself
1:07:01and even though
1:07:04well I think we can ask questions about
1:07:05it because there's a lot of this that is
1:07:07open to interpretation but i think it at
1:07:13its core it is true it is true to itself
1:07:15it is you can overlook because it's so
1:07:18kind of hazy and weird you can overlook
1:07:21some of the the specifics and just you
1:07:26know i I don't I can't watch this movie
1:07:28without feeling like it is it is earned
1:07:31the the journey that takes I think the
1:07:34thing for me is that every single person
1:07:36has a certain amount of darkness and
1:07:38them and if you found yourself in this
1:07:41situation you know maybe not you
1:07:42specifically but i think a lot of people
1:07:44would go through and do some of the same
1:07:46awful things that he finds himself going
1:07:48through have systemic time if not you
1:07:52know all i know is sometimes when I'm
1:07:54dreaming i realize i'm dreaming and in
1:07:56the lucid dream state when I realized oh
1:07:59I can do anything and the world is
1:08:01completely controlled by my imagination
1:08:03is a good thing to do monte sometimes
1:08:05you do nice things for people sometimes
1:08:09sir
1:08:09hey why not clean not at all dirty
1:08:13things i do I it's a terrible thing that
1:08:17he does early in the movie but i do
1:08:19enjoy his strategy with Nancy just
1:08:23because it's the it is that question of
1:08:26like well this is something you can do
1:08:28because there are no consequences when
1:08:29he just he just asked the questions and
1:08:32he's like very businesslike just what I
1:08:34no no just don't just tell me and then
1:08:36you flip it and and he's acting like he
1:08:39knows her and and he goes from there and
1:08:41I that's really amusing even though
1:08:43again it is
1:08:45skeezy I do find it highly unlikely that
1:08:47she would believe that she shared a 12th
1:08:49grade class with Bill Murray the Dino
1:08:51but she's just gonna lie
1:08:53don't she looks about a third his age I
1:08:56but I'm i don't believe i don't remember
1:08:59most of the people that I was in high
1:09:00school with somebody could absolutely do
1:09:02that to me and I would just buy it so
1:09:04but they wouldn't they wouldn't look
1:09:05three times your age more than little
1:09:07bit you think maybe if you know all of
1:09:09this is our way it's like that there's
1:09:11that study where they had the the person
1:09:13who's behind a receptionist desk and
1:09:16when you weren't looking
1:09:18they they dropped under the desk and a
1:09:20different person popped up and they
1:09:22continue the conversation and most
1:09:23people had no idea that the person was
1:09:25different because their brain just
1:09:27wasn't even tracking who this person was
1:09:28they weren't paying attention to it
1:09:30I feel like it's a little bit like that
1:09:31it's like if you've got these key facts
1:09:33that unlocks the key and you're like all
1:09:34right well I guess how how else could
1:09:36you know you must have been there you
1:09:38know you you haven't aged well i guess
1:09:40but you must have been in my class so I
1:09:44i took that on i'm right and well that's
1:09:46not that that's not that than the nicest
1:09:48way to pick somebody up
1:09:49I don't really feel that that one is
1:09:51necessarily to terrible because I mean
1:09:53she
1:09:54it's not like he does anything too weird
1:09:56he just says he knows some things and
1:09:58she completely goes along with it and is
1:10:00you know apparently has a good time so
1:10:02it does seem to take only one shot with
1:10:04Nancy so perhaps she's not announced
1:10:06never sees more accessible
1:10:09she's she's she's comfortable in her own
1:10:11sexuality and good liquor
1:10:13yeah he just needs to he just needs to
1:10:14get the right icebreaker you gotta
1:10:16wonder how many tonight's it took him to
1:10:18get the chipmunk noises their pic you
1:10:21know I you know I wonder if you needed
1:10:23to bother with that I mean she just
1:10:24seems like she's she's pretty cool girl
1:10:26so maybe he could have just had some
1:10:27honest fun with her but he wasn't at
1:10:29that point in his journey at the
1:10:30beginning so maybe he did later maybe
1:10:32maybe he tried the the real approach
1:10:35later on i like to think maybe Nancy
1:10:37maybe nancy was like a little bit of a
1:10:38vacation for him every now and then he'd
1:10:40be like hi then I've been doing a lot of
1:10:42sculpting and piano lessons and reading
1:10:44books at the library i'm going to take a
1:10:45Nancy day now just hang out with Nancy a
1:10:48little bit yeah tonight's of fat guy at
1:10:50the hotel kind of pay tonight it's
1:10:54jeopardy with the old people and
1:10:55throwing cards and a hat I'm feeling
1:10:57down I like the fact that he takes the
1:10:59time to push the toast in before he
1:11:01drops the toaster
1:11:03yeah that's how you turn the electricity
1:11:06that is coming as a carpenter august if
1:11:09you don't do that the heating coils
1:11:11aren't getting power
1:11:12yeah but it's still an electrical the
1:11:14appliance dropped in the middle of water
1:11:16you gotta you gotta you know training
1:11:18yeah something like that the toast is
1:11:20very important Steve it's very important
1:11:22to now the I think you're curious as to
1:11:24what will happen if he you know the
1:11:26toast is made well he's being
1:11:28electrocuted course I've never texted
1:11:30checking out the next hundred days
1:11:32before that this and this is the best
1:11:34way to do it you have determined the
1:11:35first time you did it without the
1:11:36toasted didn't work so then he just
1:11:38knows this time that you have the toast
1:11:40fell out and it blocked the toaster from
1:11:42you know landing in the bathtub and when
1:11:44he remind someone in the chatroom said
1:11:46that toast is the most conductive what
1:11:51those bridges the gap yeah it's nothin
1:11:54that's exactly it i think they figured
1:11:56it out the chatroom should have their
1:11:57own podcast should the involving toast
1:12:00I I do i do feel to cut circle back to
1:12:03where we started as unlikely as it is i
1:12:06do think this is actually one uh I think
1:12:08this is a monumental film i think this
1:12:10is one of my favorites and I I think you
1:12:12could argue can make a strong argument
1:12:14that is it is in the you know you can
1:12:17pick a number but it is among the three
1:12:19great films because it is not only funny
1:12:22but it is meaningful and it is of it is
1:12:25it is itself it is this unique amazing
1:12:29thing and clever
1:12:31yeah and I like a lot of movies like I
1:12:34would I would never say that real genius
1:12:36which is one of my very favorite movies
1:12:38of all time is among the great films
1:12:40that have ever been made but groundhog
1:12:42day I think it is one of the great films
1:12:45that have ever been made i really really
1:12:46do i'm excited about the fact that this
1:12:48is one of the great comedies from my
1:12:51youth that I can actually show the kids
1:12:54oh yeah I haven't done it yet but I mean
1:12:56this is it's a pg-rated film IQs
1:12:58innovated PG is for thematic elements
1:13:00which means probably the segment where
1:13:02he commits suicide repeatedly yeah so
1:13:05you know I there isn't a single thing in
1:13:07here where I have to you know like cough
1:13:09to cover up a word or well there's the
1:13:11suggestions of of of sex and but they're
1:13:15pretty right hand but they are six
1:13:16and rolling around making out kind of
1:13:18stay exactly if you if you are old
1:13:20enough to get what they're about
1:13:22e you're old enough to watch the movie
1:13:24because I younger than that you won't
1:13:26get it don't matter i'm more concerned
1:13:29about the use of the phrase gobblers
1:13:31knob and I am good i have that may know
1:13:33it's too i don't get the final line of
1:13:36the film i just want to say that was the
1:13:39final line
1:13:39well the father it the legislature here
1:13:42that's ripped Ricans we can rent to
1:13:44start at follow-up and I there's a joke
1:13:47in there
1:13:47I don't get it the joke is that he
1:13:49doesn't although he has accepted the
1:13:51city
1:13:53he's not accepted permanence yet let's
1:13:57keep our options open yeah I can tell
1:13:59how does that apply to what's come
1:14:00before it doesn't mean maybe he just
1:14:02realizes how weird is that he just tried
1:14:05to get someone who he's been with for a
1:14:07day to my house of them out places make
1:14:10a meat that maybe I I think it's kind of
1:14:12a joke about about the the fact that he
1:14:14spent 10,000 years in this town and so
1:14:16he doesn't want to fully commit to
1:14:18staying just bizarre
1:14:20I don't know why but I were you're right
1:14:22Steve it's like a joke that's not a joke
1:14:25it's like to live here is great if it
1:14:27ended on let's live here I'd have been
1:14:29happy and and I actually forgotten that
1:14:30there was the follow up there but it's
1:14:33if if you're going to end on a line
1:14:35that's a joke like that you should end
1:14:37on a line that's really applicable to
1:14:39the themes of the movie and to me it's
1:14:41just kinda know I like that he's not
1:14:43willing to commit to the place yet
1:14:45like let's try it out for me bent only
1:14:48been here ten thousand days exactly
1:14:50maybe you'll get the next one we went on
1:14:53the edge
1:14:53well I think he's sold i mean i think to
1:14:55him thanks x become home right and he
1:14:58doesn't want to freak out Rita yeah
1:15:00exactly i just think that he's yes it's
1:15:02home for him now but stepping out for
1:15:04her
1:15:04we're we're you're right it isn't it is
1:15:07kind of weird i think it's funny because
1:15:08it is that undercut of like he's at
1:15:10let's live here rent with you will just
1:15:12try out but just didn't he backs off of
1:15:15but you know a lot of perhaps it's just
1:15:17he's not entirely gone over to the
1:15:20do-gooder lifestyle there's still a
1:15:22little bit of a little bit of the road
1:15:24is ongoing be a terrific the groundhog
1:15:27is great
1:15:28yeah that groundhog is extremely
1:15:30cute yes I've angry don't Drive Angry
1:15:31Drive Angry you doing pretty well for a
1:15:33cock blood yeah everything according to
1:15:36the commentary is seconds after that
1:15:38don't Drive Angry the the groundhog
1:15:41turned around and bit a chunk of the
1:15:43leather gloves he was wearing very
1:15:45excited that the spoon he puts on just
1:15:48the line the second don't Drive Angry
1:15:50don't Drive Angry it's really really
1:15:54good
1:15:54yeah yeah i would say i would put that
1:15:55would say this is probably memories best
1:15:57work
1:15:58yeah oh yeah I mean yeah I mean that's
1:16:01hard to say there's so many good ones i
1:16:03really like obviously like Ghostbusters
1:16:06I really like him quick change em I i
1:16:10really like quick-change actually I
1:16:12think that's one of his best movies but
1:16:13i like you know that what kind of clever
1:16:15you have the crying on the inside kind i
1:16:17guess i like him that I like him in like
1:16:21a min Rushmore but I feel like he's kind
1:16:22of OneNote there
1:16:24yeah yeah that's good darling the broken
1:16:25schlubs a really good note but i mean
1:16:27that's that's like his standard note
1:16:29well it was more revelation when he
1:16:31played in Rushmore he's played in every
1:16:34movie since rush to get yeah like I
1:16:37liked him and steve zissou doing the
1:16:39same thing right well he kind of plays
1:16:41it here too i mean it's it's been his
1:16:43sort of lost in translation
1:16:45Yeah right right it's good it's a good
1:16:48note they were agreed its best movie
1:16:50stripes
1:16:52I like stripes it's gonna be like
1:16:55stripes a lot a good movie
1:16:57I this might be Harold Ramos is best
1:16:59moment too although i still hold out
1:17:01that Caddyshack might be better but
1:17:03Caddyshack does not have the sort of
1:17:06spiritual elevation yeah yeah you really
1:17:08just like him as neurologist
1:17:10yeah his bloated cameo which reminds me
1:17:13so much of the bloated cameo and elf
1:17:15where jon favreau yes as a doctor for a
1:17:17few space is the same it's the it's the
1:17:20doctor cameo it's really impressive to
1:17:22look at this next to caddy shack where
1:17:23Kenny Shaq is
1:17:25barely organized and is just overrun
1:17:29with people improvising and throwing out
1:17:32the actual plot and then look at you
1:17:34look at Groundhog Day which is so
1:17:35tightly plotted and so you can't really
1:17:39very anything that I up and apparently I
1:17:43I because i do think this movie
1:17:44obviously such a great critical success
1:17:46of HS it works and yet apparently there
1:17:51was during the making of this movie a
1:17:52falling-out between Bill Murray and
1:17:54harold ramis and until shortly before
1:17:56harold ramis died they basically didn't
1:17:59speak which is really yeah which is
1:18:01really sad nobody knows nobody seems to
1:18:03know why and I think that happens a lot
1:18:06with things involving Bill Murray nobody
1:18:08in the interview with him on the DVD he
1:18:10has nothing but good things to say about
1:18:12the memory so yeah I i get a set of
1:18:14one-sided night yeah I get the sense
1:18:16that Bill Murray had something that
1:18:18really bugged him we don't know but but
1:18:21I did read that before fairly shortly
1:18:25before when it was clear that Harold
1:18:26Ramis was very ill that they that they
1:18:29spoke and they kind of buried the
1:18:31hatchet which is which is good but that
1:18:33is good it is a shame because that was a
1:18:35collaboration
1:18:35I mean again Ghostbusters one of my very
1:18:37favorites and then this is a you know
1:18:39this is this spectacular movie and and
1:18:41there they both deserve a lot of credit
1:18:43for daz does Danny rubin who who wrote a
1:18:46book called how to write Groundhog Day
1:18:47which tells the story of what he did did
1:18:50the makers of edge of tomorrow read that
1:18:52I do wonder how much of this is really
1:18:54his original script and how much of it
1:18:56is is Ramos well as well in the end of
1:18:58his script is in the book apparently
1:19:00he's really well yeah it's the story of
1:19:02of the screenplay and the process of
1:19:05getting it from from screenplay the
1:19:07screen and how it changed and and all
1:19:08that is is apparently in in the book I
1:19:10haven't read might have to pick the
1:19:11right about yeah i'm intrigued by myself
1:19:13in this interview he talks about how it
1:19:15you know he picked up the script and he
1:19:17did all these things within the way you
1:19:19phrase it is then I rewrote it
1:19:21yeah oh well I get this is the Reuben
1:19:24was involved to a certain degree and
1:19:25that it was it was a conversation that
1:19:28they kept having about it that could be
1:19:29i just wonder how much of his original
1:19:31script actually survived and given his
1:19:33other filmic output you know compared to
1:19:36what Harold rain has produced over his
1:19:38lifetime and
1:19:38astex over how much absolutely agree
1:19:41completely but you know sometimes you
1:19:44catch lightning in a bottle in IE
1:19:46absolutely this there's a really cute
1:19:48groundhog on the cover of how to write
1:19:49ground without i'm sold check out how I
1:19:53can't believe this hasn't been mentioned
1:19:54yet
1:19:54strike up the music the band has begun
1:19:58don't you have a little vain ya poka
1:20:01very nice pick up your partner and join
1:20:05in the fun bow Erica just do that remind
1:20:08you of home
1:20:09the pencil fame this lots of polkas in
1:20:12Wisconsin there are so many focus at
1:20:14this
1:20:15the funny thing is is Steven didn't he'd
1:20:17never heard that song before I he
1:20:18thought it sounded kind of creepy as
1:20:20like you've never heard the Pennsylvania
1:20:21point and it's like okay Terry Francona
1:20:23want right there yeah but i love how we
1:20:25get deeper and deeper into this and the
1:20:27more uncomfortable he gets the the Polka
1:20:30gets this reverb on reverbnation me and
1:20:33creepier and creepier cat that was that
1:20:35was what Stephen and he thought he
1:20:37thought it sounded like a polka being
1:20:38played to the speakers at the Overlook
1:20:40Hotel because employers gasps
1:20:42fundamentally it does you know we
1:20:43actually we used to sing the abbey sing
1:20:45the Pennsylvania polka in elementary
1:20:47school in music class our memories and
1:20:50you weren't even in Pennsylvania
1:20:52nope nope amazing Wisconsin has adopted
1:20:56poka poka is was for Wisconsin it
1:21:00doesn't matter
1:21:00well so Erica and dan you're both
1:21:02Midwestern nurses it strikes me
1:21:04western Pennsylvania my family is from
1:21:07my mom's side of the family is from
1:21:08western Pennsylvania and I've argued in
1:21:10the past that it is more Midwestern an
1:21:13Eastern there are a lot of people who
1:21:14think that eastern Pennsylvania is just
1:21:16an eastern state but but uh regardless
1:21:18of that i mean this movie it is this is
1:21:20a Midwestern town shot in illinois right
1:21:22it it's got the bulk of that that do you
1:21:24guys have any I mean just does this
1:21:26resonate with you because it is it is
1:21:29this little slice of kind of classic
1:21:31Midwestern town yes absolutely
1:21:34I've been to so many church festivals
1:21:36and you know town things like that it
1:21:38that that is true to life you know get
1:21:40the little little diner restaurant with
1:21:42the same people in their everyday and
1:21:44you know the the the line about what
1:21:46would you do if every day was the same
1:21:48and you're stuck in one place and
1:21:49nothing you didn't matter
1:21:50yeah I know what people don't realize
1:21:53that way so welcome to grade school
1:21:56yeah i know i mean i-i I went to high
1:21:59school and grew up later than life
1:22:00outside of Chicago but when I was
1:22:02younger it was this kind of town right
1:22:04where the small town square where
1:22:06everyone knows each other there's like
1:22:07you know a hundred people in your high
1:22:10school and everybody knows everyone
1:22:12else's business
1:22:13yeah it is totally a Midwestern type of
1:22:16film rather than Eastern there's no
1:22:18doubt about it yeah i mean i picked
1:22:20punxsutawney again like I said western
1:22:22Pennsylvania especially it is yeah it is
1:22:24a mixture it is much more Midwestern
1:22:26than you might think or you know right
1:22:28there by the ohio border but this this
1:22:31to me even feels like you know it's
1:22:34fitting that they shot in Illinois
1:22:36because it feels a little more like that
1:22:37than it does like western Pennsylvania
1:22:39but what will oremus for saying that
1:22:41they were actually driving around
1:22:42Chicago we're just looking for sites and
1:22:44stuff and they were pulled through into
1:22:46Woodstock and pulled up into the Town
1:22:48Square to get coffee and they stepped
1:22:49out and they all can look around there
1:22:51like yep
1:22:52huh this is it yeah that looks just like
1:22:56that i can accept with the plaques now
1:22:59tell you now they have examined grand in
1:23:01advertisements corner here was it
1:23:03pennsylvania hotel or something like
1:23:04that
1:23:05yeah yeah the one that the one that
1:23:07ended with allstate at all right do they
1:23:09purposely keep a pot hole right there
1:23:11where Ned Ryerson i'll show ya i find
1:23:13myself wondering you know if they got to
1:23:15jackhammer out the pothole to create the
1:23:18slush
1:23:18yeah at all for the story there i'm sure
1:23:21there is like the bonus material on the
1:23:24D found a couple more quick notes okay
1:23:26Leila respected my this is just a plan
1:23:29for killing the president will skip that
1:23:30for now we'll get back to the bonus
1:23:34track that's more bonus traffic dear my
1:23:37favorite early mean Phil moment is is on
1:23:41the first day when he encounters the old
1:23:42beggar he doesn't think where he
1:23:44pretends to feel for his wallet and then
1:23:46he walks on
1:23:46oh yeah and then on the second day even
1:23:49though he's in the midst of this near
1:23:50panic where he's realizing what's going
1:23:52on he does it again
1:23:53yes it's just it's completely part of
1:23:55his character is part of his being that
1:23:57he fakes out that the guy begging for
1:23:59money and doesn't give him anything
1:24:01and then last thing does the black
1:24:05bartender who's job seems to be just to
1:24:07shake his head at people
1:24:08does he know what's going on Oh is he do
1:24:11you you think he's the magical angel who
1:24:14spends ten thousand years standing there
1:24:16saying when is this tour could ask me
1:24:18why I keep taking my head and he never
1:24:20actually gets noticed there's gotta be a
1:24:22reason why his whole purpose is to like
1:24:24look at in kind of smirk and shake his
1:24:27head and go back to wiping his glass but
1:24:29it doesn't matter what happens around
1:24:31him
1:24:32that's too maybe that's just it maybe he
1:24:34just does that no matter what happens
1:24:36around him that's his character he's
1:24:39also stuck in the state but he gave up a
1:24:41long yeah I like I'm actually play
1:24:44that's one of the one of the things
1:24:45that's interesting about the novel
1:24:46replays that he he discovers as he goes
1:24:50there are some other people who are also
1:24:51replaying from various times who have
1:24:54frames of reference that nobody should
1:24:55know in that time and after that is
1:24:57something that's interesting in this
1:24:58movie where he doesn't have he doesn't
1:24:59have anybody again it's a very short
1:25:02time scale but that's a that's kind of
1:25:04fun moment in that book where they
1:25:05actually take out a classified ad in
1:25:07like the new york times in the early
1:25:09seventies where they list a whole bunch
1:25:11of facts about things that happen in the
1:25:13future hoping that they can draw out
1:25:16other people who remember the future
1:25:17they just get crazy people as it turns
1:25:21out yeah
1:25:22edge of tomorrow being more explicitly a
1:25:24riff on these concepts as somebody who
1:25:27used to have this problem but doesn't
1:25:29anymore huh
1:25:30so several times time Cruz has to go to
1:25:33the per se I i have that thing you had a
1:25:36business I tell you this okay let's move
1:25:38on with that wide while they're still
1:25:40standing there goggle-eyed he has to
1:25:42push them to move the plot is that the
1:25:44movie they changed the name of so they
1:25:45could sell dvds yeah yeah it's a pretty
1:25:48good movie but nobody would see it so
1:25:50now it's called lived I repeat
1:25:52yeah that was supposedly the original
1:25:54name well the other it was it was all
1:25:56you need is kill was the was the name of
1:25:58the the book that is based on and that's
1:26:00a better name too and they change the
1:26:01edge of tomorrow which was a really bad
1:26:03name and it was a lot and it got good
1:26:06reviews and people everybody likes it
1:26:08and it was just poorly marketed so they
1:26:09yeah they basically retitled it for the
1:26:12marketing of the of the video version
1:26:13it's fun watching
1:26:15I'm Cruz turn into an action hero over
1:26:17several cycles and it's fun how brutal
1:26:21that movie is and saying well it's time
1:26:24to start a new cycle shoot head
1:26:26yep i couldn't have lived that day over
1:26:29and over i do like haha wasn't making
1:26:32love like sea otters yeah yeah yeah yeah
1:26:34yeah man you know how others make love
1:26:36their horrifying little Monteith's know
1:26:40like I'm not why do you because they are
1:26:43answer that okay
1:26:47gosh I wish we could all live in the
1:26:49mountain so high altitude high altitudes
1:26:51yeah that's where I see myself in five
1:26:53years under your winter prediction was
1:26:56gonna be cold it's gonna be crazy and
1:26:58it's gonna laugh at you and rest of rest
1:26:59so good gonna be a long winter it all
1:27:05right well we've reached the end or have
1:27:08we know what
1:27:09oh uh huh I'd like to thank my guests
1:27:12for coming i'm talking about groundhog
1:27:13day chips under thanks for being here
1:27:17Jason this podcast capture the true
1:27:19excitement of a large squirrel
1:27:20predicting the weather
1:27:22Erica and sign thank you thank you i was
1:27:26glad to be able to be here even though
1:27:27it was the end of a very long day
1:27:29very long day funny how that is what he
1:27:32actually thank you very much i could
1:27:34watch this movie again and again Dan
1:27:37Frakes thanks for being on is it too
1:27:40early for flapjacks Steve let's thank
1:27:44you very much
1:27:45okay campers rise and shine and don't
1:27:48forget your booties because it's cold
1:27:49out there
1:27:50this however you restart the podcast
1:27:53from the beginning morons
1:27:54your bus is leaving thanks everybody for
1:27:58listening to the uncomfortable we will
1:28:01see you next time
1:28:03in comfortable number 230 who Groundhog
1:28:08Day 2015
1:28:11welcome back to be uncomfortable i'm
1:28:13your host Jason snow night when talking
1:28:16about think we're in the suicide lupinus
1:28:19want your little hand in mine
1:28:22no is a little mountain we can't plan
1:28:25who you can't plan a podcast like this
1:28:28well you can it just takes a lot of work
1:28:30why is it sunny singing that line his
1:28:32hand has to be at least half the size of
1:28:34shares for that matter why is it sunny
1:28:35outside it's 6am on februari second good
1:28:41point okay you've ruined this for movie
1:28:44is ruined
1:28:44oh my god is it why didn't he ever stay
1:28:47up past 6am in this man i wondered about
1:28:49that too and i figured it's probably a
1:28:51woman when he was in bed with andie
1:28:53mcdowell did me no notions midnight one
1:28:55presumes he falls school I think that's
1:28:57what happens is is you can stay home he
1:28:59liked it starts over
1:29:00yeah he just there's a moment of lost
1:29:02consciousness and then boot at six
1:29:04o'clock again and they could have had a
1:29:05scene where things go jump cut to him
1:29:08back in the bed have clarified that for
1:29:11me it was 19
1:29:13it was 93 did they do jump cuts back
1:29:15then point it's not a lens flare in this
1:29:19movie either
1:29:20no mm so the thing that bugs me most
1:29:23about Andie McDowell is the fact that
1:29:25she's she seems to be like turning on a
1:29:27dime between good-natured goofiness and
1:29:29just seething anger are we really doing
1:29:32this podcast again it really confuses me
1:29:37now wait a minute Steve you do that all
1:29:39the time
1:29:40yeah not not in McDowell know it's it's
1:29:45weird one second she's she's like
1:29:47good-naturedly laughing along with the
1:29:49comment that film makes and then
1:29:51actually like no he suddenly extremely
1:29:53angry with him are you drunk or
1:29:54something because she's a terrible
1:29:57actress I think that maybe it in its
1:30:00trapped in a good movie i think you may
1:30:03have you may have hit the nail on the
1:30:05head there
1:30:05I feel bad business this is I'm glad
1:30:08nobody on the podcast profess their
1:30:10undying love for Brady McDowell as as
1:30:13Erica expressed her her in enjoyment of
1:30:15michael biehn and the Terminator
1:30:17terrible things I i will stand up for
1:30:21Michael be mad i yank I too can't stand
1:30:23and mcdouble
1:30:24she's in she's in this which is one of
1:30:26my all-time favorite because i love sex
1:30:27lies and videotape and and for weddings
1:30:30and if you know for very different
1:30:31reasons I'm on board with all those plus
1:30:33i really do like Hudson Hawk a lot she
1:30:35loves rhinestones and living at high
1:30:37altitude and french romantic poetry and
1:30:39I just I take all of her traits as being
1:30:42satirical comments on what an awful
1:30:44actress and how I don't like her
1:30:47it is because i don't like her character
1:30:48I don't like to think she likes I don't
1:30:50find them
1:30:51romantic or attractive in any way and
1:30:53the fact that he learns them i find
1:30:54laughable but again i love the movie i
1:30:57love it I love it
1:30:58is it possible that sweet vermouth on
1:30:59the ice is good i mean no no you haven't
1:31:02tried to have you no one has no one like
1:31:05you know don't forget I think you forgot
1:31:07the twist jason with yes makes the right
1:31:09you're right with it was great
1:31:11sweet sweet that is I itself is is X
1:31:13script that is a great moment by the way
1:31:15just to look at Bill Murray's a Gatsby
1:31:17expression when when she orders it and
1:31:20then we tasted i'm going to use it yeah
1:31:22oh yeah that's beauty like the very
1:31:25first scene where you see her where
1:31:27she's doing the green screen thing
1:31:29yeah she's so evil she has even said
1:31:31anything yet
1:31:33yeah all this green screen I can't
1:31:35believe how hilarious this is 0 and
1:31:38she's like does the little hand thing to
1:31:39fill
1:31:40I can't believe you get to do this
1:31:42everyday is the best
1:31:44alright well i guess i guess thats
1:31:46that's it I guess we're done where we
1:31:48keep waiting for her to repeat and
1:31:52welcome back everybody the incumbent
1:31:55like asking your host Jason Snelling
1:31:56joining us today aren't I was hoping it
1:31:58would be tomorrow it tomorrow but i'm
1:32:01about to get out my toaster
1:32:07we can
1:32:26I got it
1:32:28I got it
1:32:32everybody's got their it's cold out
1:32:38there every day when I'm hardly and you
1:32:42know you can expect hazardous travel
1:32:43later today with that you know that the
1:32:45closer that Blizzard think blizzard
1:32:48thank you oh well here's the report the
1:32:50National Weather Service is calling for
1:32:51a big lizard there they are but you know
1:32:54there's another reason why today is
1:32:56especially excited especially cool
1:32:58especially cold okay but the big
1:33:00question on everybody's lips together
1:33:01chapel on their chaplain at right lift
1:33:04do you think Phil's gonna come out and
1:33:07see a shadow Punxsutawney Phil that's
1:33:09right Woodchucker zits round on one out