The Talk Show

44: Code 47: Live From WWDC 2013


00:00:00   good evening this is the talk show live during WWDC 2013 we're recording on [TS]

00:00:16   Tuesday June 11th 2013 the day after the keynote we have a nice Aladeen series [TS]

00:00:23   about a dozen two dozen people and I want to thank Microsoft for sponsoring [TS]

00:00:35   this event for Windows Azure we have an open bar here we've to open bars here [TS]

00:00:43   because mezzanine is is aptly named there's a there's a second level up [TS]

00:00:46   there in both open bar drinking on Microsoft's time how awesome is that [TS]

00:00:50   Bill Gates picking up the tab heard people the WBC we are it's a little bit [TS]

00:01:00   in addition to being live it's a it's a somewhat differently structured show [TS]

00:01:04   than the typical episode of the talk show maybe insofar as that it has some [TS]

00:01:10   structure but we have a bunch of gas multiple gas couple of surprises but my [TS]

00:01:19   first guess is no surprise it is I said hey I'm my I'm Larry Sanders this is [TS]

00:01:25   Hank kingsley days ago and I are you are you hank are already I'm when Martin and [TS]

00:01:32   John cannon commercially as my friend guy English [TS]

00:01:38   thank you [TS]

00:01:41   and this is a Vesper 2.0 I just exactly so WTC keno lot of news but I think the [TS]

00:01:57   big one has got to be the others were talking about what was the order that it [TS]

00:02:12   went through in the event was the first thing today announced it was racing cars [TS]

00:02:17   from the future racing cars and you know what that was really cool and it's a [TS]

00:02:22   little weird because they had so much to announce it to our keynote it was [TS]

00:02:26   clearly jam-packed that kind of race through some stuff but they still took [TS]

00:02:30   five minutes up front for a third party company I'd like to remember and nobody [TS]

00:02:40   remembers [TS]

00:02:42   and that's just and K i with a funky lettering described the demo [TS]

00:02:53   so it's AI controlled robot cars race around the track using sensors to [TS]

00:03:00   navigate their way around it i think is probably a lot more complicated than it [TS]

00:03:04   looked like it almost looked like one of those trigger control cars it was [TS]

00:03:12   happening so yeah it really did seem they were you know you know about how [TS]

00:03:24   many times per second the sensors are taking measurements and it was [TS]

00:03:27   incredible [TS]

00:03:28   5,000 measurements but it looked like it like organically and they had the one [TS]

00:03:33   car that was faster than the others and when it was in passing mode it wasn't [TS]

00:03:38   herky-jerky like a remote control car used like really very organic and then [TS]

00:03:45   when they switch the other cars into a block mode where their goal was to block [TS]

00:03:50   the faster car from passing them it really looked organic it look basically [TS]

00:03:56   it's a toy at this point but I think what they said at the end of the [TS]

00:03:59   presentation is important and account number [TS]

00:04:05   now it's like something about company the cars are a demonstration of the [TS]

00:04:10   technology not the product may not even ever actually ship those cars I'm not [TS]

00:04:15   even sure that that was the case I think that the cars were just in the example [TS]

00:04:19   but the interesting thing to me was that the demo and meet at first fail they had [TS]

00:04:24   like the demagogues frowned upon them and it was the nightmare it's five [TS]

00:04:27   minutes into is not just any WBC but like a widely anticipated WWDC and [TS]

00:04:33   they're the only third-party company up there and the hero car wouldn't start [TS]

00:04:37   and I think I thought it was incredible how the CEO I don't know his name but he [TS]

00:04:41   never seemed bothered now is pretty cool comic lady it seemed like he was a well [TS]

00:04:45   we'll get this recall and then it actually worked out better because the [TS]

00:04:50   audience knows and it is kind of a good audience because I feel like it's it's [TS]

00:04:54   all developers and they know that how murphy's law works like it's gonna fail [TS]

00:04:59   the worst possible time so there's a huge sympathy that's instantly build up [TS]

00:05:02   and then when it did work it was lying areas so they did now what then Apple [TS]

00:05:09   started in with its shares of battery life is amazing but we don't waste time [TS]

00:05:22   in the show talking about battery life that's great I mean it's a great deal [TS]

00:05:26   and I think it's interesting that they reduced the price [TS]

00:05:29   didn't go right now and I think the whole thing with the requisite MacBook [TS]

00:05:34   Air still there [TS]

00:05:35   cheap like wrapped up [TS]

00:05:41   and 12 hour battery life is nothing to see pretty 10.9 Mavericks well and it's [TS]

00:05:59   because it's a singular named because the name of the place is Mavericks with [TS]

00:06:04   an end with an ass but it sounds are also talking about it and the singular [TS]

00:06:09   is gonna sound dramatically awkward yes I told you this yesterday to minimize me [TS]

00:06:14   that became pale in average and I just can't get there said it also seems [TS]

00:06:23   trying to be tough when you will get lines are for amateurs but I mean [TS]

00:06:29   seriously they picked a goofy looking see line but pretty shaken fan cooler [TS]

00:06:43   interesting stuff in it but I feel like I can wait next week when a regular talk [TS]

00:06:55   show talked about Pakistan after spending a week and it's probably better [TS]

00:06:59   to talk about it I will honestly like I said yesterday I think I did I kinda [TS]

00:07:05   missed a letter like everything looks flat now if you look at it and Interface [TS]

00:07:13   Builder and I don't need the stitches maybe you just took the stitches away [TS]

00:07:20   and I don't know I think there's going to be a middle ground I think what we're [TS]

00:07:23   going to see in together is joining a little bit more than a lot of [TS]

00:07:30   engineering features in Mavericks [TS]

00:07:33   we can visually though it really does seem that all they did was go into the [TS]

00:07:40   resource folders for like calendar and a couple of other apps and take out a [TS]

00:07:44   bunch of resources and let that calendar on 10.8 by just two leading like one PNG [TS]

00:07:53   they just deleted a bunch of textures and we're too busy with you know I was 7 [TS]

00:08:01   the Mac Pro I guess that's definitely we're talking about me but again it [TS]

00:08:07   seemed interesting yeah I even the design direction I'm still haven't heard [TS]

00:08:14   what I said about it says we don't know yet [TS]

00:08:22   John Siracusa does not like I don't know is that true as judge on here I don't [TS]

00:08:31   know I heard he doesn't like it but I'm I see I i think that anybody who had any [TS]

00:08:35   interest in the macro at all just been relieved and delighted that they at [TS]

00:08:40   least have a new Mac Pro I really know and and you know whether you still [TS]

00:08:45   wanted them to have the big thing like I think that I think the counter argument [TS]

00:08:49   against the design direction are going is I'm a pro I don't care how big the [TS]

00:08:53   cases I just want to be able to throw video cards in get all the stories [TS]

00:08:58   inside that don't want to stack of durable drives I say just be happy that [TS]

00:09:04   they haven't abandoned the Mac Pro you know your ago had said when there was a [TS]

00:09:10   lot of Congress kind of boiled up where the hell is a new Mac Pro and Tim Cook [TS]

00:09:15   was it an email or something like Tim Cook answer to customer email and we're [TS]

00:09:18   gonna have some interesting for you next year just be glad that it wasn't a [TS]

00:09:22   something interesting few that was like the 2007 hey you can make apps for the [TS]

00:09:27   iPhone their web pages [TS]

00:09:29   yes [TS]

00:09:30   I and i actually thinking about it now I think you just put that equipment inside [TS]

00:09:43   the old case and gonna get very standard NextGen you know just a bit of [TS]

00:09:48   everything I think that would have been less interesting and more likely to see [TS]

00:09:53   the editor Mac Pro [TS]

00:09:54   be investing in this home architecture that's built around and maybe it's you [TS]

00:09:59   know you're missing a lot of stuff from the old world but they're really going [TS]

00:10:02   for something new and something that we get a lot of compute power very very [TS]

00:10:06   fast and I think that the new look at it and it doesn't look like anything Apple [TS]

00:10:10   never done a mean there's a there's a serious sort of Death Star look to it [TS]

00:10:14   closest thing I can think of is like SBI machines in the nineties right it's very [TS]

00:10:18   you know super serious low and it has a polished appearance it doesn't look [TS]

00:10:24   anything like Apple logo on the back it's above the all the ports and I [TS]

00:10:35   talked to somebody there and they said they are mostly designed it so they did [TS]

00:10:40   sooner Deportes will face away from you have it on your desk but they made it so [TS]

00:10:43   that if you wanted to and you're putting stuff in all the time you would feel [TS]

00:10:47   that it looks right turn the other way with the ports facing you you know that [TS]

00:10:51   that that's how good the back with the port is supposed to look that you [TS]

00:10:54   shouldn't feel like it's backwards if you face it that way I think it's a nice [TS]

00:10:57   touch you know member of meatball acceptability of those cool little [TS]

00:11:04   touches the indicators well I'm saying like back in the day when the first lady [TS]

00:11:11   right technology it's just a light underneath the things right [TS]

00:11:18   you know they turn it around as a motion sensor with a light on it that's they [TS]

00:11:24   have it in my driveway but this is awesome you know you know that gets us [TS]

00:11:36   to do and so I think one of the most interesting things I know that there was [TS]

00:11:44   a lot of speculation to talk about the way they structure the keynote I think [TS]

00:11:49   it's always so interesting and the order they do things get to say what [TS]

00:11:54   and there was obviously a lot of speculation about iOS 7 in everybody [TS]

00:12:01   knows it's now led by Jony ive and in the question arises Jony ive going to [TS]

00:12:05   take the stage [TS]

00:12:06   talk about it and I didn't think so I mean I never come out and say it but it [TS]

00:12:11   just seems pretty clear if you wanted to you could but it's pretty clear he does [TS]

00:12:14   not like public speaking [TS]

00:12:16   yeah yeah [TS]

00:12:21   opposite right people shy but you hear about that you know there's about [TS]

00:12:28   certain actors who very you know successful and comfortable in front of [TS]

00:12:32   the camera on your TV or movies like that but refused you know can't do like [TS]

00:12:37   a live audience thing you know some people are like that I get the feeling [TS]

00:12:41   he is so but they did but I feel like what they want to do is they still [TS]

00:12:45   wanted him to introduce it and so they did the video first which I don't think [TS]

00:12:51   they've ever done before usually it's somebody on stage who introduces the [TS]

00:12:55   thing whether its hardware or whether its software and [TS]

00:12:58   in its and we've made a video of you would you like to see it to conclusion [TS]

00:13:02   the state the case showed the details the conclusion is that video and this [TS]

00:13:06   was a triumph I'm going to frame it all they did start the event you know what [TS]

00:13:10   they did in step with racing video right they started with this which i think [TS]

00:13:16   they are now pushing is designed by Apple in California this really nice [TS]

00:13:24   little two or three minute just sort of setting a town and a lot of times at WTC [TS]

00:13:38   they open with a video but it's a joke you know like John Hodgman there is a [TS]

00:13:43   great one for John Hodgman came out in a video and said I'm Steve Jobs the show's [TS]

00:13:48   over everybody can go home now down right stop making apps and stuff like [TS]

00:13:54   that it was very funny they often start out with jokes though and this one was [TS]

00:13:58   it not a joke it's this very supportive and it's all to me clearly of a piece [TS]

00:14:02   with the recent ad campaign that saw on television [TS]

00:14:06   photos every day you human [TS]

00:14:10   yeah it's human town where people are using the phone but the phone is just [TS]

00:14:15   part of this scene although the video with no people in it was just motion [TS]

00:14:19   graphics and was kind of just sort of but I thought it effectively set the [TS]

00:14:25   tone of this event is a serious one and we've got some serious shit to announce [TS]

00:14:29   yeah and again I think that California thing is is important because you know [TS]

00:14:34   that it's not a coincidence that they changed the name places in California [TS]

00:14:39   designed by Apple in California looks like it's going to be a big thing the [TS]

00:14:42   Mac Pro is designed by California assembled in the USA [TS]

00:14:46   yeah that's Tim Cook on NBC last year when he said we're going to start [TS]

00:14:53   producing one of our mcintosh products in the United States [TS]

00:14:57   I think it's not a nationalism but it's a pride of place over yeah and I also [TS]

00:15:03   think that it's not a coincidence that it's the highest and model where [TS]

00:15:07   whatever the extra margin costs might be assembling in the us- are eaten by that [TS]

00:15:13   particular marketing [TS]

00:15:14   if it costs fifteen more dollars per unit to build a symbol in Aus forces [TS]

00:15:21   assembled in China it makes it bigger difference if it's a $3,000 work station [TS]

00:15:26   where the $15 is a very small percentage as opposed to a $250 iPad Video Editor [TS]

00:15:36   super excited about the macaroni don't care how much you go right there is [TS]

00:15:45   actually some of course market on my mother's made a boatload of Mac Pros [TS]

00:15:52   wait a second I'm getting a summary backstage said Marco sold the talk show [TS]

00:16:01   we're supposed to stop now [TS]

00:16:09   happens in about 15 minutes to get out of there when you actually do this life [TS]

00:16:23   so I do I do think though that they structured the event with three videos [TS]

00:16:28   and opening video then the one in the middle with johnnie I've personally [TS]

00:16:32   introducing an hour reading the Iowa 7 introduction and the first you got to [TS]

00:16:37   see it is in this video I mean it was like holy shit I mean I was like holy [TS]

00:16:42   fucking shit video and then click victory he demoed it like the way they [TS]

00:16:48   usually do first used to be and then Tim Cook came back for his wrap-up and at [TS]

00:16:54   the end had another video which actually they are going to use as a commercial [TS]

00:16:57   that you know to emphasize this sort of designed by Apple in California and I'm [TS]

00:17:02   not the only one who's no is a Ben Thompson led to his thing today it it it [TS]

00:17:07   evokes the old think different campaign from the nineties where it feels almost [TS]

00:17:10   more like yeah they're putting it on TV for everybody to see but it's almost [TS]

00:17:14   like a centering for Apple iPhone employees like this is what we stand for [TS]

00:17:19   this message rather than a product that's right and I think it really is [TS]

00:17:24   largely about sort of you know part of the message explicitly is we spend an [TS]

00:17:30   enormous amount of time on a very few things and it's it's this reverse of you [TS]

00:17:37   know if anything we're doubling down on doing fewer things and let our [TS]

00:17:41   competition do the spaghetti up against the wall [TS]

00:17:47   5 inch phones for an 8.8 inch phones 4.5 inch phones six-inch bones and if you [TS]

00:17:52   can look at Samsung like refrigerators [TS]

00:17:57   right I don't think any time but yeah it's a very likely work very hard and [TS]

00:18:03   very dejected fashion very carefully to produce this thing that's a labor of [TS]

00:18:07   love me do it in california and we want to share it with you so I had heard two [TS]

00:18:14   words that I've heard beforehand and other ppl her 22 but I said last week on [TS]

00:18:18   the show with most polarizing and the other way to put it in same word [TS]

00:18:24   divisive [TS]

00:18:27   twenty-four 24 hours later I mean it's clear that there's there's some head out [TS]

00:18:36   there for what they've done with Iowa so I think some of its narrative tonight I [TS]

00:18:43   think some of you need to play with a device looking at screenshots and [TS]

00:18:49   comfortable with the direction playing with it I think it's very obvious so [TS]

00:18:57   we've got an audience of developers here how many people in the audience have [TS]

00:19:01   already installed iOS 70 I can just see you that's how many people have [TS]

00:19:11   installed it on their main carry [TS]

00:19:15   how many people who've done that are glad that they did it is getting smaller [TS]

00:19:24   how many people of that set of people that are glad to have done it [TS]

00:19:27   have had more than one drink one guy one again back in after having too many to [TS]

00:19:36   get a few things change I have not have you know when I get home I have a stack [TS]

00:19:47   of all my old iPhones and I didn't bring them with me but my face and then they [TS]

00:19:52   didn't predict which was a sign it did not wanted anywhere near my phone I even [TS]

00:19:59   wrote this the day before that what to think when they show it I said and I you [TS]

00:20:05   know I think I got a pretty raised don't think too much on what it looks like but [TS]

00:20:09   think about how it works and you know the deeper think about it deeper why are [TS]

00:20:13   they doing this and I feel like most of the criticism is focused on the most [TS]

00:20:19   superficial of details you know like hate on the icons in particular ways to [TS]

00:20:27   go about that there's one which is to look at the exact icons as they are and [TS]

00:20:31   Iowa seven today and talk about details of them and say you know this Safari [TS]

00:20:36   icon is not good because of this or that and you can do any and there's merit to [TS]

00:20:40   a lot of that and I think couple the icons probably just news for everyone [TS]

00:20:44   looks like my first gradient circle [TS]

00:20:49   but I like the new whether one I think the weather was great I don't think the [TS]

00:20:57   directions around I think maybe some implementation manners as something to [TS]

00:21:01   be desired [TS]

00:21:02   you know some of this stuff is so subjective those and you know it all [TS]

00:21:07   falls under there's no accounting for taste you know but I also get a larger [TS]

00:21:13   sense though there is a certain design aesthetic to the way iOS icons have [TS]

00:21:19   evolved over the years and there's a specific sort of vibe that's accepted as [TS]

00:21:24   a good iOS icon and that clearly wouldn't work with the overall direction [TS]

00:21:30   of the new iOS system has to change and I feel like some of the need for [TS]

00:21:36   criticism is just you've changed this sort of jelled look to three-dimensional [TS]

00:21:41   icons that you know we've got used to have six years in some of the people [TS]

00:21:47   have gotten really really good at making and I think that they're calling foul on [TS]

00:21:51   changing that all I feel like that's just off base [TS]

00:21:54   yeah I think there's no point in holding the aesthetic to do you have to get some [TS]

00:21:58   point something has to change the fact that this looks drastically different [TS]

00:22:03   isn't by yourself [TS]

00:22:04   Matic there are problems but as the first seed you know like there's also an [TS]

00:22:10   issue today where that blur background check comes up and I think it's over the [TS]

00:22:16   clock and on the right hand side the clock faces black but you can't see the [TS]

00:22:20   icon [TS]

00:22:21   gray and the end so it doesn't show up against the Black Bloc days and she's [TS]

00:22:27   clearly that's a bogus book and its good checks right so I don't think it's it's [TS]

00:22:34   again today when I could show ya John is standing why is in the front row but [TS]

00:22:43   he's standing [TS]

00:22:45   it's like when I came out over the top [TS]

00:22:50   clearly over the saturated lee Partners pinstripes all kinds of transparency is [TS]

00:22:59   it would like way too transparent menus there's a bunch of Asians without [TS]

00:23:03   explaining his peace with its easier to just go over the top like go with a [TS]

00:23:08   design language and then Tony back slowly into you get something what we've [TS]

00:23:11   got now on that closed in which i think everybody Greece's very functional and [TS]

00:23:16   familiar and good looking I wish I thought that was pretty good I like that [TS]

00:23:21   America had a good post today to a link to it where he talked about how you know [TS]

00:23:29   this stuff like the actual exact icons and some of the little inconsistencies [TS]

00:23:34   in the way you know something that should be the same across to absent a [TS]

00:23:38   little different is the exact sort of thing that falls through the cracks as [TS]

00:23:41   the racing through a deadline on and and this is the most important part on a [TS]

00:23:46   project that only started 7 months ago which is just mind-blowing like I agree [TS]

00:23:51   you don't want I saw a tweet from me let me tell you then per se but he countered [TS]

00:24:00   that argument with the headlines like saying that it they did in eight months [TS]

00:24:05   ago it is true but on the other hand they did [TS]

00:24:10   deadline I'm just relating it to again I'm not saying that they deserve to be [TS]

00:24:14   graded on a curve because it was only seven I mean there too [TS]

00:24:19   of hands and you saying that the counter-argument that they don't deserve [TS]

00:24:24   to be graded on a curve that's an apple problem not our problem but internally [TS]

00:24:27   and for people who you know who our engineers and come to something like [TS]

00:24:30   this it is kind of amazing like this a year ago when we were doing the the live [TS]

00:24:35   talk show on day two [TS]

00:24:37   WWDC 2012 and Apple was one day out [TS]

00:24:40   of having shown Iowa sex their plan a year ago for what Iowa seven would be [TS]

00:24:46   was not this their plan was something else and you know this is no secret that [TS]

00:24:52   kids goes to the ouster of Scott Forstall in October I think maybe the [TS]

00:24:58   multi tasking staff some of the energy savings yeah the OS level stuff but the [TS]

00:25:04   design stuff anything visible to you engineering stuff is all sort of been on [TS]

00:25:10   a pace and hasn't been destroyed there's no disruption really well we don't know [TS]

00:25:14   but I would certainly less but in between last year's WWDC and four stalls [TS]

00:25:21   ouster the plan was led you know was it was steady as she goes and it was Tim [TS]

00:25:27   Cook who made them you know made that decision in October and that's when this [TS]

00:25:32   start but I think in hindsight I mean is with no hyperbole I think you know Tim [TS]

00:25:39   Cook could well be the CEO of Apple for another 20 years and I really do think [TS]

00:25:47   is a very strong chance that he'll finish his career and never had made a [TS]

00:25:52   bigger decision than that decision in October not just forestall personally [TS]

00:25:58   but because it it also was the plan was will get rid of forestall johnnie takes [TS]

00:26:04   over software and in six months [TS]

00:26:09   decision to keep Scott B do you keep going with the plan in place and then [TS]

00:26:17   corrected in the next cycle knowing you know that was the big girls at the days [TS]

00:26:23   but I mean this second one is doubling down on you know I guess what could have [TS]

00:26:28   happened as they go over to forestall and I've takes over in four months into [TS]

00:26:32   it [TS]

00:26:32   hopelessly lost in a quagmire designers and zero chance of making it and what do [TS]

00:26:38   you do maybe we stick with the old design and we will keep working on it [TS]

00:26:41   without a year so it's not like they had to do it but no I mean it could have [TS]

00:26:45   gone down any additional forestall isms today [TS]

00:26:48   that they didn't want introduced its word you can use it [TS]

00:26:55   bed and what we're seeing as a result of that and I think they did something [TS]

00:27:00   similar with those ten do when I was 10 10 came out it was kind of an awful [TS]

00:27:07   product in many ways but it showed a lot of promise and I think we're kind of in [TS]

00:27:11   a similar situation here [TS]

00:27:12   well I don't think it's not a product think after having used it it's a great [TS]

00:27:16   product but the interface in particular is clearly 1.0 yeah I think so and i [TS]

00:27:23   think you know stay tuned I think the analogy to Aqua says it all [TS]

00:27:26   you know this is the 1.0 I'm sure it can improve details just inconsistent [TS]

00:27:31   seasons and cleaning up between now and when it ships in the fall but this is [TS]

00:27:34   really more about that the next five six years of iOS and laying a foundation I [TS]

00:27:39   mean yeah I bet stuff like the blurs and stuff like that just like the stripes [TS]

00:27:43   but fundamentally though the logic in order of its to me so appealing [TS]

00:27:49   yeah and I think it really really well it doesn't need it you know it doesn't [TS]

00:27:53   feel like moving in and out of so much anymore as in the devices morphing into [TS]

00:27:57   the new thing that you use a little bit bad for Scott Forstall I really did joke [TS]

00:28:07   in there were some jokes during events about the belt being taken out in [TS]

00:28:12   federal treasury of you who did this result was great and it was funny jokes [TS]

00:28:16   on over and so on but there what they did there never was an interesting way [TS]

00:28:21   to present it was when they talked about these changes that were the most [TS]

00:28:24   egregious of what we called you a morphism and the stitching was taken out [TS]

00:28:28   a calendar and he said no virtual cows were killed for this and when he [TS]

00:28:33   introduced a new game centers like we're all out of virtual felt it was an [TS]

00:28:37   interesting to put it is they were treating their old products as a joke [TS]

00:28:41   like that they were in on ya but I think it's probably have to do some contrition [TS]

00:28:46   by removing esta and I don't think it's necessarily need their dragon on well by [TS]

00:28:52   all accounts is a very billion [TS]

00:28:53   I can credibly I don't know I did meet him once after an event [TS]

00:29:00   backstage and and he was very gracious to me and he said he you know like the [TS]

00:29:04   site and and was very nice and we had a great we learned about on it was the [TS]

00:29:10   event where they introduced the iPhone 4 so is the first threatening device and [TS]

00:29:15   we just get out on retina and I asked him you know like is it true that you [TS]

00:29:19   use a loop yeah everything you know people who work with them and they say [TS]

00:29:26   good things about it and I know also that his enthusiasm for third-party [TS]

00:29:32   developers making money on the platform was enormous like he was so I think he'd [TS]

00:29:38   nobody was a bigger advocate for third-party developers and Scott [TS]

00:29:41   Forstall I just put two and two together and yes I would that be [TS]

00:29:45   he advocated for carbon yes that's true too that's one of the great untold [TS]

00:29:49   stories Dan Martin [TS]

00:29:52   brought this up on your show with Renee couple is great if you want to look up [TS]

00:29:57   down mountain on guys but it was good forestall the next guy who really [TS]

00:30:04   advocated for carbon is this is the right way and specifically because this [TS]

00:30:07   is how we'll get our developers to to meet us halfway right kind of feel bad [TS]

00:30:11   for me kind of feeling he's been going for developers I take a break and I [TS]

00:30:18   thank our first sponsor of the episode and it's it's briefs briefs I have been [TS]

00:30:27   waiting for briefs to actually be in the App Store so I could talk about them for [TS]

00:30:31   like five years it's gonna be crazy long so great briefs is a way for you to [TS]

00:30:39   build prototypes without code using a Mac application built for professionals [TS]

00:30:44   you get this great Mac App it's a design that the serious pro Design out to make [TS]

00:30:48   prototypes of mobile ads you express your ideas on the device [TS]

00:30:53   the way they were meant to be used it you make you laugh out and then you run [TS]

00:30:58   them [TS]

00:30:58   on your actual phone or on your iPad and you can play with these prototypes you [TS]

00:31:02   connect the buttons from one screen to another you can make three screens and [TS]

00:31:06   hook up [TS]

00:31:07   zones and you tap here and you go there and you feel it and you can make these [TS]

00:31:11   ideas you can't ask how they feel rather than just how they look as soon as [TS]

00:31:17   possible and then if that's a if this is in the hands of a designer on your team [TS]

00:31:22   the designer can hand this brief off to the engineers and they have like an [TS]

00:31:27   actual blueprint to start hooking up it really works great I couldn't be happier [TS]

00:31:33   that is actually in the App Store it's been a very long story but anybody who [TS]

00:31:36   does iOS design work if you don't check out briefs you're not you're missing out [TS]

00:31:41   on on Trulia great tool if you have been working on it for a little bit actually [TS]

00:31:48   really really like that most of what shipping has nothing to do with me and [TS]

00:31:54   the team is awesome right is using the leader and his ideas his initial impetus [TS]

00:32:00   for 24 hours ago we have been working on stuff it in the future sometime but it's [TS]

00:32:06   a great app and you know it's not just a web designer designer should be checking [TS]

00:32:09   it out and do so next guess a lot of guests over the last year but there's [TS]

00:32:20   one person in particular who I think I've had the most I can't believe you [TS]

00:32:24   haven't had this person on the talk show yet by far away number one request so I [TS]

00:32:31   thought what better than when better than WBC this from my wife Amy Jane [TS]

00:32:38   grouper [TS]

00:32:48   get a brief dot com should have shown more often get a brief reprieve dot com [TS]

00:33:06   right given give a brief everybody loved it right now crashed give a brief dot [TS]

00:33:14   com leave a brief give a brief dot com text me of that song and I'll fix it so [TS]

00:33:23   I am with you but I did have you seen Iowa seven yet a little bit [TS]

00:33:30   have you seen my my question for you is this is very serious one of the [TS]

00:33:42   criticism i've seen is that I was seven is so different I Anders [TS]

00:33:49   500 million people using devices so there's a lot of people who are used to [TS]

00:33:56   iOS 7 as it has looked since 2007 and that now they're all lost in their [TS]

00:34:01   phones gonna upgrade to this OS and are not going to know how to do anything [TS]

00:34:05   when you look at it did you did you feel like this is when you look at seven do [TS]

00:34:18   you feel like you were gonna be lost if you just feel like hey this just looks [TS]

00:34:21   new I think it looks new and I think that in two weeks [TS]

00:34:26   all of you will look back at the old ones and be like oh so shitty you know I [TS]

00:34:33   think it's just a matter of getting used to it [TS]

00:34:43   you're very kind the funniest thing I've seen about all of our seven was called [TS]

00:35:00   droid life.com and they were it was doing when they wrote that it looks at [TS]

00:35:15   all ripped off from Android including on the lockscreen the use of a new semi [TS]

00:35:21   Roboto find and I thought that was so great because it's was Helvetica and now [TS]

00:35:32   it still is Helvetica on the lock screen just slightly underweight and how [TS]

00:35:36   america's [TS]

00:35:39   1953 and Roboto was invented like last year [TS]

00:35:46   Helvetica Rippon and they said it was my robot go on [TS]

00:35:56   what do you think it's a wrap up of Android [TS]

00:36:00   what's your opinion on Android never seen and the other thing that this week [TS]

00:36:14   is I I have and I want to take this moment to thank them as I know they're [TS]

00:36:18   here I have been working with two guys and we parted company Q branch in our [TS]

00:36:24   appt ship last week that spur and my two colleagues Dave whiskas and friends are [TS]

00:36:37   here I want to thank them we've been working on this for six months or so and [TS]

00:36:42   I just want to thank you guys right here and just say how proud I am to work with [TS]

00:36:48   you guys still and promotional motor anybody who hasn't checked out better [TS]

00:36:55   please go to the AppStore search for Vestberg oda bess Arab . Co find out [TS]

00:37:00   more and so I wanted to ask you what about making and had a good conversation [TS]

00:37:13   I can take them to a couple of guys who did help us a little bit Doug Russell [TS]

00:37:18   and not just a good post on accessibility really helped us make it [TS]

00:37:21   accessible and Nick are nine also helped us a lot with QA these guys are just [TS]

00:37:29   kind of helped out because they wanted to help out and it's great and they're [TS]

00:37:32   not getting as much credit as me and Dave but they really do deserve it and [TS]

00:37:38   and accessibility stuff in one point on really makes me proud because that's [TS]

00:37:41   easily the sort of thing that can slip you think you want to be accessible but [TS]

00:37:45   you get so focused on making it look all that it does but we have some really [TS]

00:37:48   good posts over accessibility in there and it's all thanks to dog really kind [TS]

00:37:54   of like an idiot savant on its accessibility [TS]

00:37:59   was it like working you know there's always does it the end of the keynote [TS]

00:38:05   Steve Jobs to do it does it where they after the done thing and then he did [TS]

00:38:10   take a moment and thank the employees who worked on it and they think the [TS]

00:38:13   employed these families for more less putting up with them when they were in [TS]

00:38:18   this death march to launch and so I'm curious to know whether you thought it [TS]

00:38:22   was difficult living with me over the last six months we're only talking less [TS]

00:38:32   have been horrible absolutely horrible I am used to living with a writer who [TS]

00:38:40   maybe sometimes get stuck and so he absolutely insufferable for a day or two [TS]

00:38:46   but he's been insufferable for six months it's been terrible in what way [TS]

00:38:53   worse than usual [TS]

00:38:55   don't don't talk about the usual way them are just what's worse than usual [TS]

00:39:01   the worst is pretty bad like the way you are everything [TS]

00:39:06   days pretty bad [TS]

00:39:08   but this isn't terrible i mean he doesn't even come to bed until I am [TS]

00:39:15   waking up in the morning beginning to take our Sunday School and he'll just be [TS]

00:39:21   going to bed and he's drunk as hell right so drunk stumbling into the bed [TS]

00:39:31   pushes the bed 6 feet over and I'm like well I guess I'm up now I don't know how [TS]

00:39:39   people do it I think that I should start a support group for the spouses of [TS]

00:39:43   people who make apps like they're so bad yeah I go you know i i I had this [TS]

00:39:53   halfway thought through and I realized if I thought it through I wouldn't have [TS]

00:39:56   done it this way but I had the idea that this would make a good way to expand the [TS]

00:39:59   guestlist cause I thought God I kinda help us sort of like a marriage [TS]

00:40:03   counselor but then I realized it was a problem as part of the problem [TS]

00:40:16   guy is the one who will stay up texting him until 6 a.m. getting him drunk so I [TS]

00:40:22   don't get him drunk [TS]

00:40:26   him the drinks he did I realize it might be a problem maybe you're not going to [TS]

00:40:41   help us pass this up tonight on stage is that you and I have a thing we've done [TS]

00:40:46   for last couple years we're both big fans of the show Mad Men and we watch it [TS]

00:40:49   together and text each other like little school kids during the show and and the [TS]

00:40:55   phrase that has come up a couple times over the last six months is you still [TS]

00:40:58   have time for fucking guy English I have actually brought you know yeah I mean [TS]

00:41:10   sure your son doesn't even know who you are and I hate you but you think I have [TS]

00:41:15   maintained a relationship like a week before he shipped John took me to the [TS]

00:41:25   zoo and it was terrific we had a lovely day there was ice cream I have no no no [TS]

00:41:49   you're the only one who had maintained a good relationship we don't have a good [TS]

00:41:53   relationship and have a coffee mug that says I'm the best fighter in the world [TS]

00:41:57   that was like because I was lazy and that was the stock trading on the weed [TS]

00:42:05   we didn't write that that just came on the muck I want to take a break here and [TS]

00:42:11   and we have everybody was in the audience can see the signs we've we have [TS]

00:42:22   an event sponsor for this show and mentioned at the outset it's it's [TS]

00:42:27   Microsoft for Windows Azure and I want to pick up a miniature I want to invite [TS]

00:42:32   Josh twist from Microsoft [TS]

00:42:36   there is a couple minutes to talk to you guys thanks John I when I started to [TS]

00:42:48   work at Microsoft here but it's also did I am really proud to be the new owner of [TS]

00:42:55   the talk show so thanks Marco the whole while I guess so bright so money's just [TS]

00:43:05   twist I'm a program manager on the Windows Azure team Windows Azure in case [TS]

00:43:11   you're unfamiliar is a complete cloud platform exactly what you'd expect from [TS]

00:43:15   a large vendors like Microsoft we have everything you need to run services in [TS]

00:43:19   the clouds ovum's you know all the windows image as you can imagine and we [TS]

00:43:23   even do Linux if that's your persuasion we have elastic storage capabilities we [TS]

00:43:29   have a ton of legal services that people can use things like identity services [TS]

00:43:33   media encoding services and even really powerful messaging capabilities all very [TS]

00:43:39   powerful components now I work for a group called the Windows Azure mobile [TS]

00:43:43   group and our goal is to make Windows Azure really really compelling for [TS]

00:43:48   mobile developers like you guys who like building for iOS and we launched Windows [TS]

00:43:54   Azure mobile services which is a time key back and that makes it incredibly [TS]

00:43:59   easy for any kind of developer to add all of those powers all of those [TS]

00:44:04   capabilities and windows out your abs and we believe that the best apps are [TS]

00:44:08   connected right you need to have storage can create scenarios that span devices [TS]

00:44:13   and even uses and you can understand who uses are so that's why we built mobile [TS]

00:44:17   services which we launched in August last year I do some examples of what [TS]

00:44:22   this thing can do so it's very very [TS]

00:44:24   easy to use if you're a client-focused developer you can get right on board no [TS]

00:44:28   problem but also if you're a back injury when you like this platform to about [TS]

00:44:32   half of our users at the moment are experienced back and developers we have [TS]

00:44:36   structured storage capabilities you can save data to the cloud or its highly [TS]

00:44:41   available and backed up in triplicates by the Windows Azure sequel service and [TS]

00:44:45   you can access that using our objective see native SDK for iOS which is open [TS]

00:44:51   source on github you are not dreaming this really this is really happening so [TS]

00:44:56   much I doubt we have we have great simplified NCC can sign in with Facebook [TS]

00:45:01   Twitter Google simple configuration entry on the service and one line of [TS]

00:45:05   code norplant you done we also have several objects you can run code in [TS]

00:45:10   response to stimulus from the device or even using our shared your feature which [TS]

00:45:14   is like running for the cloud will run JavaScript in on OJ a service and you [TS]

00:45:19   can use that to send push notifications to an Apple device which is great given [TS]

00:45:23   the recent an hour with a single line of JavaScript code so you don't have to [TS]

00:45:28   take my word for this though a while back a few months back I forced to go [TS]

00:45:32   you might know John doesn't know from Brent Simmons I thought this guy to have [TS]

00:45:37   coffee with me and let me showing the service and it turned out quite into it [TS]

00:45:42   so we ask them would you do some videos for us to Brent candidate three videos [TS]

00:45:47   that show just how easy the services to use and you can see those at memories [TS]

00:45:51   ready now www dot Windows Azure dot com slash iOS go there and see those videos [TS]

00:45:59   you can sign up for the free trial [TS]

00:46:01   you got a ton of free as your stuff for three months and you'll get 10 free [TS]

00:46:05   mobile services they're talking about in perpetuity so we'll give you those and [TS]

00:46:09   you can run them as long as you like [TS]

00:46:11   also in addition and I'll be speaking old WC tomorrow the first session at ten [TS]

00:46:16   o'clock so if you're around for that please come and check out the session [TS]

00:46:18   it'll be fun lotsa live coding and just for this audience the show if anyone [TS]

00:46:25   would like to tweet why their interest in mobile services [TS]

00:46:29   and just make sure my name is at the end of the tweet at Josh twist then I'll [TS]

00:46:32   sort you out with this thing we call an as you pass will give you even more as [TS]

00:46:36   your resources the whole shebang for free so I just want to say thanks to [TS]

00:46:40   John I hope the show continues to be as great as it has been [TS]

00:46:43   and enjoy the bar enjoy the wrestler conference thanks to Josh banks there [TS]

00:46:53   was great that was really great and I really do there's there's a strange [TS]

00:46:59   bedfellows aspect of this but I do think I like to think that I and my other [TS]

00:47:20   friends that promoted in various ways haven't had a chance to use it but very [TS]

00:47:30   smart people have said very nice things about it so I don't think it strange [TS]

00:47:34   bedfellows at all i think is good qualities that truth is everybody knows [TS]

00:47:38   you cannot ship a nap today that doesn't sink [TS]

00:47:44   you just can't do it I think in a different way [TS]

00:47:49   sure ship $5 for it I would like to go to the next gas and it's my my good [TS]

00:48:02   friend show before Mr Scott Simpson [TS]

00:48:21   that was my hope was that I was just gonna do that for 10 minutes just dance [TS]

00:48:25   and then start rappin the digital Underground's blames everybody how are [TS]

00:48:31   you [TS]

00:48:32   nice to see you how is the show been going so far haven't been listening [TS]

00:48:36   today talk about computers they talk about computers [TS]

00:48:41   rounded rex is that thing around a track API lives in the show so when we look at [TS]

00:48:47   the structure that show I realized that I also want to say one thing about [TS]

00:48:52   Windows this word again now pronounce you never knew how to pronounce before [TS]

00:48:56   joining us me to be on the show and I was like I'll do it but I have to follow [TS]

00:49:02   a guy who talks about a service for nerds uses the word ninja and ironically [TS]

00:49:08   and then gets everybody to get out their phone in tweet something thank you for [TS]

00:49:15   that though thank you [TS]

00:49:18   WWDC who's ever WWC clap your hands where I love WWC is the only conference [TS]

00:49:25   whose name is also a pretty good field sobriety test and you were driving [TS]

00:49:31   pretty radically where were you denied WTF about of course the opposite of [TS]

00:49:41   South by Southwest which you can really only pronounced correctly if your [TS]

00:49:45   southern drunk and have a sandwich and a joint in your mouth so I about that name [TS]

00:49:54   with some of the WBC and just kept up a dub dub dub dub is for don't say dubbed [TS]

00:50:05   you left some of your like that actually is atop the people who fought both who [TS]

00:50:13   did both you're my friends out of towners welcome to our lovely city san [TS]

00:50:19   Francisco's a beautiful place is great weather today you know what Mark Twain [TS]

00:50:25   said about San Francisco in the sub officially allowed when anybody starts [TS]

00:50:31   out the sentence you know what Mark Twain said about summer in think you [TS]

00:50:35   just punch them in the face [TS]

00:50:36   also anything about Mexican cokie no Mexican come but it doesn't san [TS]

00:50:47   Francisco's great don't worry about buying souvenirs if you need to buy a [TS]

00:50:50   souvenir they have met the airport official souvenir the city of San [TS]

00:50:54   Francisco's the burrito full of weed it comes in a little holder that's shaped [TS]

00:51:01   like a slut chaps makes a great gift for your children [TS]

00:51:05   works on any Kendall Kendall any GI Joe older style again not really doesn't [TS]

00:51:11   really make sense but I'd say funny it's a B-plus hey guys [TS]

00:51:16   nice to see you telling jokes [TS]

00:51:21   if you knew that if you need to San Francisco maybe you had the chance to [TS]

00:51:26   see one of the ubiquitous Google buses or Apple buses there always rolling [TS]

00:51:30   through the free shuttles that take Apple and Google employees to work maybe [TS]

00:51:35   you're lucky enough to ride one yourself very important to know the difference [TS]

00:51:39   between them though because here at Apple employee who gets on Google+ they [TS]

00:51:44   will literally rip you apart with their hands [TS]

00:51:47   probably like seven multi-tools on that bus they will rip you apart [TS]

00:51:52   here's the difference in Abyssinia Google+ a bus the door is on top which [TS]

00:51:57   seems weird at first but then you watch a really elegantly produced seven and a [TS]

00:52:03   half minute video [TS]

00:52:04   about how the bus is cut from a single he's I'm enjoying this so much because [TS]

00:52:18   this is literally the only time these jokes are ever gonna be so bright as it [TS]

00:52:22   I'm not gonna go to the chapel in Modesto tomorrow if you like the [TS]

00:52:26   difference between Google+ I'll be murdered a bus costs $40 to ride which [TS]

00:52:34   seems expensive for a free shuttle you know you're fired [TS]

00:52:43   announced how much I liked my jokes you know you're fired it up when you get on [TS]

00:52:48   the bus and the only person on there is Tony Soprano [TS]

00:52:52   get the Google+ sounds like the car from the Jetsons and smells like farts so I [TS]

00:53:00   wrote for The Google+ here's the story that happened I think maybe you guys [TS]

00:53:07   might be some of you folks might be able to relate I have two small children and [TS]

00:53:11   now we go to the library a lot more than we used to the public library and I [TS]

00:53:16   don't know if you do that you probably the public library that's when you have [TS]

00:53:22   kids and you go you like books in their free with a free it's amazing the only [TS]

00:53:28   bad thing is that the public library there are two types of people families [TS]

00:53:32   with young kids and old we are dudes checking out conspiracy videos on the [TS]

00:53:37   computers they don't match they don't mix I was in the bathroom with my son at [TS]

00:53:41   the public library washing your hands next to me was a guy who looked exactly [TS]

00:53:46   like beetlejuice [TS]

00:53:48   with no shirt giving himself a sponge bath or a paper towel rub down and I was [TS]

00:53:56   you know shining my son looked up and made accidental eye contact and he [TS]

00:53:59   looked at me and he said no [TS]

00:54:04   as I came and I get it I get it had a college sporting event fine for the mall [TS]

00:54:12   where in the library mother fucker this is Mike call me a nerd here at you I [TS]

00:54:19   just squealed through my kid at him and ran out the door [TS]

00:54:21   Reggie Reggie Regg entire closed now he showed me where he keeps his library one [TS]

00:54:31   helping him get his thousand page letter to Abraham Lincoln senator daniel [TS]

00:54:37   day-lewis I think probably answer but Reggie was right about one thing which [TS]

00:54:43   is you know let's look at my face right like like 45 Scott Simpson body doubles [TS]

00:54:49   in the audience tonight people people have to be like six or seven times to [TS]

00:54:56   remember my name [TS]

00:54:57   face their right and if I missed an opportunity I feel like I should have [TS]

00:55:06   been a murderer because when the cops come to take statements from the [TS]

00:55:10   witnesses the whole like Starbucks turned into a person that help us win [TS]

00:55:26   gotta J Crew gift card in half a shot a testosterone he definitely knows [TS]

00:55:31   Photoshop No [TS]

00:55:34   I want to do one more thing I've been thinking about this a lot lately [TS]

00:55:39   bombed how hard it is to communicate around the world so many languages [TS]

00:55:43   it's so frustrating that we can't just easily understand each other I think the [TS]

00:55:49   EU has something like fourteen official languages that you have to translate all [TS]

00:55:54   the documents into before you can you know you you stuff the Olympics in [TS]

00:56:00   English and French if you don't understand english and French is total [TS]

00:56:02   bummer so I realized recently that answer is right there to fingertips a [TS]

00:56:09   lot of us has been have been using it already to communicate pretty nuanced [TS]

00:56:15   and educated ideas so I can have a couple of friends come out right now and [TS]

00:56:22   help me demonstrate the potential power of this language that I think we could [TS]

00:56:26   all use for better communication so come to the stage right now my good friends [TS]

00:56:31   from the internets mister Merlin Mann and Mr Adams ago or so guys first I love [TS]

00:56:48   you you're the best second this is a scenario that I think will demonstrate [TS]

00:56:54   the power of this language you are two rival countries at the United Nations [TS]

00:57:00   representatives of two countries negotiating an issue that makes sense [TS]

00:57:07   there to negotiators ok so take it away guys slice of pizza slice of pizza [TS]

00:57:19   behind cloud grinning face to face serious face briefcase briefcase in your [TS]

00:57:37   book bag of money [TS]

00:57:40   European castle sunset rolling days [TS]

00:57:43   your trumpet trumpet trumpet [TS]

00:57:51   flexing bicep or powering phase angry face all Japanese symbol for beginner [TS]

00:58:04   pointing finger Statue of Liberty jet plane speedboat rocket fire fire fire of [TS]

00:58:22   my broken heart broken heart broken heart [TS]

00:58:42   ok hands touching chick [TS]

00:59:01   peach clapping hands to hards two people kissing the pair of emoji with Merlin [TS]

00:59:27   Mann and atomistic ladies and gentlemen thank you guys so much [TS]

00:59:31   that's it for my jokes goes on stage though cos I can and will thank you I'm [TS]

00:59:48   never gonna see them again that's it that's that's it for us I I have one [TS]

00:59:53   question was why I did not know what you're going to do right I wasn't [TS]

00:59:57   prepared a Lex Lex Lexi could you hook a brother brother up I was gonna say look [TS]

01:00:05   up bruh I'm sorry Brandon how many black people are here tonight literally my [TS]

01:00:12   comedian friend Brandon as the one black person thank you for coming and [TS]

01:00:16   representing every person in your race [TS]

01:00:20   whiskey if you please I appreciated thank you my question is was was was [TS]

01:00:28   this script written out in English or any was a written in the [TS]

01:00:33   it was written in English and how did I just put your the word as a real dad [TS]

01:00:40   pronunciation notes emoji one last spring I think the other sponsor of the [TS]

01:00:56   episode and its humble words it's an addictive word game works on the iPhone [TS]

01:01:02   iPad iPod touch [TS]

01:01:04   and it quote unquote blends the elements a pocket passes ladies and gentleman it [TS]

01:01:15   blends elements of familiar and novel word games with beautiful artwork [TS]

01:01:20   totally serious really really high quality art including art work from the [TS]

01:01:26   creator of AK would you guys remember that came as a great game Chris Onsted [TS]

01:01:30   he did he did the art for tumble words and it looks great [TS]

01:01:33   single player mode double player mode really fun [TS]

01:01:37   think of it as bob dole plus some really cool to west where you get these groups [TS]

01:01:43   of words and have to find continuous words in the grid but it's a lot more [TS]

01:01:48   than that their stuff at the bottom you can replace tiles you go fast [TS]

01:01:51   beautiful game full of war games you gotta check it out it is in the App [TS]

01:01:56   Store you can go to the App Store and check for tumble words you will find it [TS]

01:02:00   you can also find out more by going to the website of the company behind it [TS]

01:02:05   many-core studios they have a website many cor cor E Studio as dot com and you [TS]

01:02:13   will find out more about the game they're so my thanks to Tom boards check [TS]

01:02:18   it out [TS]

01:02:23   so what we actually have something else we have something and one more thing to [TS]

01:02:33   do to announce actual like serious business so Amy you over the last 23 [TS]

01:02:42   years on several podcasts but now I'm not taking it personally [TS]

01:02:53   problems right but you've been on a bunch of podcasts yours and and you have [TS]

01:02:58   you have a twitter is very funny you do and so this is over the past few years [TS]

01:03:08   since you've been able to her son got older and we could just leave him home [TS]

01:03:12   alone he's home alone right now so nine and he's saying this is a recurring if I [TS]

01:03:28   didn't I didn't plan that a recurring theme is a min I'll be together and WBC [TS]

01:03:35   is ground zero for this and we will be like a walking tour from the hotel or [TS]

01:03:40   something like that and somebody will come up who recognizes us and this is [TS]

01:03:45   the way it goes they say your John Gruber yes and they say you're sharing [TS]

01:03:55   my best marv albert in a savior ami James love your website and I say thank [TS]

01:04:03   you and they say I love your Twitter and you say you do and then they say you're [TS]

01:04:12   funnier than him [TS]

01:04:13   they do we get a lot of money and that has to admit it pains me to admit it and [TS]

01:04:21   that's the moment where you'd go instantly and so smoothly from who is [TS]

01:04:26   this weird fucker on why do they keep bugging us 20 I like you and also I [TS]

01:04:39   think it's sort of a couple months ago here on the show with me and we're on [TS]

01:04:44   with our good friend polka fosse's whose drink feature here today he's really [TS]

01:04:52   good at catching dreams anybody out there needs a drink Paul just raise your [TS]

01:04:54   hand Paul take care of all will handle you we really are pretty funny show I [TS]

01:04:59   thought it was the one we came up with a bill on this business plan no pun [TS]

01:05:02   intended [TS]

01:05:03   velocity hotels you're welcome right and Vesper what is shipped eight-month are [TS]

01:05:09   eight weeks ago if not for the work I've been putting on velocity hotels right [TS]

01:05:13   around we did not ship that one in time we really wanted to ship Vesper for WWDC [TS]

01:05:17   and we made it we really wanted to get in there and we ran into some legal [TS]

01:05:28   issues shipping it for WBC but we're moving on but anyway was very funny guy [TS]

01:05:33   ok he's alright semi familiar is a little bit friendly with you and you [TS]

01:05:39   guys have something to announce you guys are going to start your own podcast you [TS]

01:05:45   and park passes me and just being funny every week [TS]

01:05:52   not sure that the only people who are mean pocket to find out what we need a [TS]

01:06:03   name for the show so that's the name of the show we think we're still enjoy it [TS]

01:06:13   at all what is the name of the show in the invoice called just the tip it's [TS]

01:06:31   just the tip top FM have a a dot Raby domain available I'll be there will be [TS]

01:06:40   handy for your Uncle Fred Doug raping I don't know my cousin and they've got the [TS]

01:06:49   Twitter handle already at @ symbol you pronounce that I can really get that [TS]

01:06:56   East Coast nasally a out there at just the tip on Twitter my suggested that I [TS]

01:07:05   had to get down here what's the story from the from the little weird lounge [TS]

01:07:11   behind us it's weird but you just appear uninvited my suggested title for the [TS]

01:07:23   chauffeur's drunken giggly in the trunk wait who's who was drunk and who's the [TS]

01:07:30   trunk recorded from my car [TS]

01:07:35   because my husband was working on an appt and he couldn't give me the [TS]

01:07:40   microphone and the laptop so pollen I actually deliberated recording our first [TS]

01:07:48   episode in my car in the garage and we were going to call it in the truck I was [TS]

01:08:01   going to run the engine and I'm feeling sleepy 21 episode I am very excited by [TS]

01:08:19   this i think is going to be great I've heard the first episode and it really is [TS]

01:08:23   funny you're wrong here's what I wanna know I wanna know going forward whose [TS]

01:08:28   more likely to actually listen to the other show me are you oh wait which is [TS]

01:08:35   more likely to listen [TS]

01:08:43   still on the line mi listen to your show or you know myself or both tell you [TS]

01:08:51   right fucking now I will never listen to you [TS]

01:08:55   where you really have to listen to my it seems like promised all about want to [TS]

01:09:08   move on to another issue I mean I i really wanna work out i mean this is [TS]

01:09:11   like my best burger was like I have this whole tag on fixing my marriage and I'm [TS]

01:09:15   getting through all of them today because I am almost out of and here's [TS]

01:09:21   the deal and this goes back one year to WTC last year and it was night and more [TS]

01:09:30   of us it was a little bit easier to get a ticket last year didn't sell out and [TS]

01:09:32   71 seconds it's all an hour more my friends and and you know people I know [TS]

01:09:38   passes and so you know we all went to the beer bash but whenever you do that [TS]

01:09:46   if you're hanging out with people who don't have passes it's always a little [TS]

01:09:49   awkward you know if you come with your wife your wife can come in and we're [TS]

01:09:54   having some drinks before the Scot was hanging around did not have a pass and [TS]

01:09:58   he said don't worry about it you know we'll just go somewhere in time we'll [TS]

01:10:02   meet up with you guys later and then they they the two of them and it wasn't [TS]

01:10:06   anybody else everybody else is that the beer bash and and they wound up but [TS]

01:10:09   Harry Denton's starlight lounge it's pronounced with Harry Denton's starlight [TS]

01:10:18   last place well I'm gonna talk about his then after the beer bash everybody else [TS]

01:10:27   we got there they were still there was you know where we are and you know five [TS]

01:10:30   six seven others came up there and we went up to meet them and put in [TS]

01:10:35   perspective it was just me and Scott no one else had you all had tickets to the [TS]

01:10:42   beer bash I had nothing else to do so far so good except that when I get there [TS]

01:10:48   there in a booth like I requested cozy there [TS]

01:10:57   waitress was under the impression that it was their wedding anniversary because [TS]

01:11:02   we told her it was told it would be tailored to be Goten told her that it [TS]

01:11:12   was our big 10 year anniversary and we wanted something special and no just to [TS]

01:11:18   be bear we had John's credit card [TS]

01:11:21   yeah yeah yeah I have a joint credit card and so this was all on John I mean [TS]

01:11:28   he was at the beer bash whatever it was $150 borrow $200 bottle of rose [TS]

01:11:38   champagne with me and got and we told the server that it was our 10th wedding [TS]

01:11:44   anniversary and we were celebrating and so it was special I just in case you're [TS]

01:11:49   wondering [TS]

01:11:50   third base third base is what $200 bottle of champagne with your print my [TS]

01:11:57   continued [TS]

01:12:03   here's my question is do you think that this would be even vaguely acceptable if [TS]

01:12:10   it had gone the other way around [TS]

01:12:12   absolutely fucking like what would happen to me and you do and why is that [TS]

01:12:22   bad [TS]

01:12:26   anything go right at present you with a $200 champagne bill that you didn't get [TS]

01:12:34   any other fucking champagne [TS]

01:12:37   I would have been living but you know you abandoned me and I had Scott we [TS]

01:12:44   manufactured this entire story picture to get her picture taken and I feel like [TS]

01:12:53   we have to go back this week and have our 11 [TS]

01:12:55   pretended like I pretend like I didn't remember that we got a picture it's been [TS]

01:12:59   in my wallet for the last year a meeting grouper [TS]

01:13:08   what the other we're part 2 is it took me awhile to get filled in as it wasn't [TS]

01:13:14   like they came in and they said John John come over and over and gave her a [TS]

01:13:20   nice kiss and it made me feel like they were you know and and this is sort of it [TS]

01:13:30   seems like the swanky lounge place were you know if you're with somebody I think [TS]

01:13:34   we were in a booth where we had to canoodle like I was you know give my [TS]

01:13:41   wife a kiss in church or something you know like and then of course in [TS]

01:13:44   hindsight I really weird we were young young is that was weird which you know [TS]

01:14:05   lands room [TS]

01:14:08   ever is if you've never been there it's one of my favorite places because and [TS]

01:14:14   then you go during the day like when it's still light out and like not only I [TS]

01:14:18   like the couches kind of the carpets threadbare the literally of the servers [TS]

01:14:22   dresses and tuxedos are also threadbare like just it's just just cheesy and [TS]

01:14:29   gross but great it's nothing for the late today I mean that's right it's [TS]

01:14:34   nighttime I have time for a little bit more than 11 other story that's awesome [TS]

01:14:43   whoever did that whatever is happening is all Merlin month Harrell [TS]

01:14:56   I hear you Jeffy adam has recently gotten into e-cigarette it is bending [TS]

01:15:12   over school children I just want to tell them I feel very sleepy [TS]

01:15:22   the other night is what happens when I got back to the hotel was Sunday night [TS]

01:15:26   talking about this time I mean we're gonna talk about a marriage right here [TS]

01:15:31   just the last item in its all worked out [TS]

01:15:35   look to tackle just disappear from Vesper so we had separated it was [TS]

01:15:43   actually Paul who had walked a me back to the hotel for she was tired and I [TS]

01:15:47   came back a little bit later and later I was ready to hit the sack and I go to [TS]

01:15:53   open the door and the chain is on the fuckin door and I was physically not [TS]

01:16:03   like I told her not to put the chain on the door I did not listen and so I [TS]

01:16:13   thought why this has got to be a solvable problem I will call her and I [TS]

01:16:17   could open the door and into my card work you know it was open to three [TS]

01:16:20   inches and and I knocked couple times in his own response senate I called there [TS]

01:16:23   and I can hear her phone it is for me and for ringtone for me as one toke over [TS]

01:16:31   the line I can hear the sweet tunes of one toke over the line and she didn't [TS]

01:16:38   count and so I started telling me nothing I can go to the front desk but [TS]

01:16:51   that seems to be responsible I could probably bus this fucking Jan [TS]

01:16:56   and it turns out the hotel chains are actually pretty sure I got hurt my [TS]

01:17:04   shoulder and that's when the hotel security guy and he's surprised that [TS]

01:17:13   we've had a noise complaint and I said I'm sound asleep inside and the changes [TS]

01:17:22   on the door and ethics at first he was a little bit put off hehe seem to be [TS]

01:17:27   treating me as maybe like drunk I just randomly lost in the hotel making a [TS]

01:17:32   terrible noise and right but then he could see that I had the door open and [TS]

01:17:38   so it really looks like I've got a room key and he says can I see your IDE and I [TS]

01:17:41   showed him my driver's license and jacked up against the room number and [TS]

01:17:45   then here's the best part he gets on his little walkie-talkie and he just goes [TS]

01:17:51   code 47 and gives the room number and that's all he said he was a house you'd [TS]

01:17:57   say there's a gas to change it said code 47 and a minute later this big [TS]

01:18:03   seven-foot guy I mean bigger than jock guy comes with the biggest set of bolt [TS]

01:18:09   cutters I've ever seen and without saying a word or even looking at me just [TS]

01:18:14   snaps chain and then he turns around and walks away from it now here is 47 [TS]

01:18:25   here's my question fairway path and you're drunk outside the door that a [TS]

01:18:32   code 47 here's my question for you three what other of those codes like what do [TS]

01:18:38   you think codes 13 for 36 years here's the thing I think I think the hotel had [TS]

01:18:44   46 codes and then you showed up [TS]

01:18:49   47 it doesn't there's not even like a word for its just a picture of you going [TS]

01:18:55   this hotel definitely have the file troopers are never hotel code 46 3646 to [TS]

01:19:21   rate you guys come up [TS]

01:19:23   John had it twice this is the code number change if when you've locked [TS]

01:19:34   herself out of the room thinking it was the bathroom but it's actually the room [TS]

01:19:38   then you then go on the whole reason you got up was you had to pee that you go [TS]

01:19:44   and politely so as not to make a mess on one of the newspapers that they've laid [TS]

01:19:50   out for a guest to use a different code number or is that some weight that you [TS]

01:19:55   never done that I know what they need to bring a new newspaper at that point so [TS]

01:20:01   it needs a different number and is that difference let's say 4624 up on the 14th [TS]

01:20:11   floor so that's one that's what let's say you're in the hall and let's say [TS]

01:20:16   you're asleep and your style is too casually walked down the hall as if you [TS]

01:20:23   were looking at museum pictures on the wall but the whole time just pissing [TS]

01:20:28   everywhere you think that's a different could you know that code know now you [TS]

01:20:36   know that nama newspaper peer pressure you put on somebody else's newspaper [TS]

01:20:43   rate we're being honest I'm pretty sure it wasn't a WBC so yeah it's pretty safe [TS]

01:20:55   but now worried somebody's somebody else here [TS]

01:20:58   a guy out there was woken up to a wet newspaper and he thinks it's me ladies [TS]

01:21:03   and gentlemen is the particular genius in all honesty the particular genes and [TS]

01:21:08   John Gruber started let's say 75 minutes ago that's fine [TS]

01:21:15   minutes ago talking about like nuanced thoughtful reactions in the new Apple [TS]

01:21:23   announcement menacing now [TS]

01:21:27   newspaper honestly that that is amazing that is my kind of guy next time at the [TS]

01:21:34   Starlight lounge it's me and you baby [TS]

01:21:38   11th anniversary I want to do some thanks here I would like to thank [TS]

01:21:46   everybody here at mezzanine on the staff this has been a great event [TS]

01:21:52   bartenders [TS]

01:21:56   I want to thank jesse charge for organizing the event she was great how I [TS]

01:22:05   would like to thank everybody all of my friends it will radio the last year [TS]

01:22:09   doing a talk show them has been great [TS]

01:22:11   here's to many more years thank you in particular I must thank I cannot thank [TS]

01:22:17   enough Caleb Sexton who handles audio he's tracking the audio for this he [TS]

01:22:25   doesn't the editing of every episode of the podcast every anybody listen to the [TS]

01:22:29   show last week you guys like the ending thanks to Caleb Jackson great great [TS]

01:22:37   editor and he really is a tremendous help to the show I really don I'd be [TS]

01:22:41   lost without him I know my guests I want to thank God I English guy has his blog [TS]

01:22:49   kicking bear died calm but he's also got a great match is done with my friend [TS]

01:22:55   Chris Parrish software company aged in distilled and that happens nap can be [TS]

01:23:01   great now I wanna hang my wife Amy Jane Scott Simpson funny man [TS]

01:23:19   Maryland man what a treat [TS]

01:23:25   47 got raped me and best of all thanks to all of you for attending really this [TS]

01:23:37   is such a thrill to do this in front of you thank you for listening to the show [TS]

01:23:40   thank you for being here and I'll see you next time [TS]