The Talk Show

45: I Missed OK

 

  you not technically a back-to-back guess but you're a back-to-back appear on the [TS]

  shell a show as the live show and and you made a surprise parents brought the [TS]

  house down [TS]

  wasn't that fun which are really good I was a blast I really had no idea people [TS]

  like wow I can't believe it you got all three you look nice take it day guys on [TS]

  stage and I had no idea I literally until like 10 minutes before the show is [TS]

  all I did I knew simpson's gonna be there [TS]

  yeah and he was just like we actually didn't even ask just like I'm gonna have [TS]

  some of the guys come out and by the way out of plane doesn't land until like [TS]

  they got delayed he texted me a few days before that and said here you gonna be a [TS]

  dub dub I said no he said I'm doing a thing for the talk show I wrote [TS]

  something for you and Marilyn to perform with me I said yes your plane I guess it [TS]

  was delayed it wasn't you planned it that way but apparently they were going [TS]

  curtains were supposed to go up around 6:30 and you you relate wheels down at [TS]

  SFO it likes 5 after six [TS]

  yeah and I was on camera that morning for one of my one of my shoots that I [TS]

  wasn't directing somebody else was but I was on camera [TS]

  up until like 2 o'clock out a hard cut off and then I literally just had a pick [TS]

  up from where was the crew was all rushing in a like a like a complete wat [TS]

  i said im sorry have to go beyond a podcast and that's it and that's [TS]

  depending on where you were at me now that could be it probably took you [TS]

  longer to get to LAX then it took lax the flight to get to San Francisco yeah [TS]

  it's a real quick hop takes a lot out of you right cuz it's all you know getting [TS]

  in and out of lax it's a nightmare [TS]

  yeah well it was a real 30 I thought it was for me too me too I don't know that [TS]

  the show was it seemed to be a smashing success yeah went off really well Amy [TS]

  brought up one thing and I thought I think she's exactly right everybody is [TS]

  sort of an agreement afterwards is that we didn't really might the audience and [TS]

  we all just did handheld mics on stage and everybody sounds great but because [TS]

  we didn't make the audience if you don't know any worse you might think Scott [TS]

  bombed really because he indeed was the complete opposite I mean I absolutely [TS]

  killed but because he killed he actually had to wait some time for the audience [TS]

  laughter died down to continue with the jokes but on the audio recording it [TS]

  comes to the crisis and maybe sort of like rethinking my god it's the it's the [TS]

  Howard Dean effect it's it's all about the quality of the microphone that can [TS]

  make a Reg somebody's career but anyway anybody was confused or perhaps [TS]

  concerned that that Scott simpson's act on the show last week perhaps did not go [TS]

  over well did the complete opposite is the case it was aight I would I mean [TS]

  this child with no I probably was riotous laughter yeah it was my first [TS]

  time having gotten to see him do that which he's been doing for probably seems [TS]

  like a year now and you've seen him before but it was my first time in so I [TS]

  only had my imagination to go by [TS]

  because I know how funny the man is and he just absolutely was he was Scott [TS]

  Simpson on stage except just more so and it was perfect I find it fascinating [TS]

  because it's you know I would never do it I mean I'm not funny enough and I [TS]

  don't have the demeanor but it's within my imagination to think about screwing [TS]

  around doing right to talk I do conferences and stuff but it's [TS]

  fascinating to watch your friend do it and having just seen him a few months [TS]

  ago he's gotten better cuz that's the thing is a key actually kids around he's [TS]

  working his ass off on this I mean he's doing like eight nights a week [TS]

  yeah but he's good but it's different because when I saw a few months ago it [TS]

  was like an open night comedians at a bar in San Francisco and it's like that [TS]

  toughest it's the toughest room I could ever imagine because it's half the room [TS]

  is other comedians who are all just obsessing over their own stuff because [TS]

  they've just gone on in their thinking about what worked and what didn't work [TS]

  or they're about to go on and they're they're just sort of in that backstage [TS]

  mindset that they don't you know they're they're not paying attention to you and [TS]

  then the other have just drunk people at a bar and it's the expectation in the [TS]

  entitlement of the audience that makes the biggest difference if it's what you [TS]

  do or what I've occasionally done which is actually just going up in talking [TS]

  like a monologue and there's not the expectation the expectation of laughter [TS]

  so the laughter is almost sometimes out of awkward politeness right where it's [TS]

  the kind of joke none joke that sort of like almost like an awkward self [TS]

  reference or like you know common accounting you know what I'm talking [TS]

  about and then you've got that there you get a chuckle from that from the [TS]

  audience but while it's just the pressure must be excruciating I [TS]

  completely agree and I got was [TS]

  I was actually nervous I got in have to do anything I just SAT there with a [TS]

  drink in my hand but I got like I got like these incredibly sweaty palms like [TS]

  I was like hanging by my fingertips like four stories up in the air [TS]

  thinking about my friend going in front of this audience when you when I speak [TS]

  in public conferences you know we go to web stalker or something like that back [TS]

  in the day South by Southwest ER or when I do something like a live episode of [TS]

  the talk show the audience knows us already there they've come the people [TS]

  who come to web stock are there to see people like me and you speak and they [TS]

  already know us and there they want to like what we're about the same whereas [TS]

  when you're just at the open mic at a bar some of the people who are they [TS]

  didn't even know it was open mic yeah they they don't care they want to be [TS]

  entertained and then there's almost there is no benefit of the doubt it's [TS]

  it's it's all it's like I hate you until you please me so when you see people and [TS]

  you know it's not like it's a surprise to me that a common stand up comedy is [TS]

  hard you know there's been some good movies like Seinfeld had a good movie a [TS]

  couple years ago [TS]

  get the title was but about how hard you know how much writing is involved [TS]

  because it's you know it's a lot of writing during the day and its work at [TS]

  night of getting it down and I think it really shows yeah well I think that [TS]

  he'll be doing a lot more of it and bigger contacts and how cool is it the [TS]

  kind of had a built-in audience going in you know smallish audience but at least [TS]

  one that was interested in pursuing his career yeah absolutely and they had [TS]

  these days he's going to be the guy well you know you're at your the other one if [TS]

  you like old guys get to see you know I knew that go back when he would talk to [TS]

  people like me now [TS]

  gotta stop talking to you in the audience were claiming we need to go so [TS]

  weird thing about doing the show the live w monument weird but you know even [TS]

  mentioned it on stage last week show that because you know time was of the [TS]

  essence of a bunch of gas fund was gonna spend a ton of time on it [TS]

  Tech details are nerding out on the design stuff because we could always do [TS]

  that later [TS]

  well now it now is later yeah and in hindsight I really do think like we're [TS]

  recording it on Thursday 2011 days after the Keno boy what really sticks out to [TS]

  me just is is the design 7 sure I get to them really I mean that's what I thought [TS]

  right after the keynote but the more time goes on that really to me it just [TS]

  seems more surprising shocking but surprising sure after what's this [TS]

  it's the thing that people can scrutinize at this point we actually [TS]

  have it how do you think that was to put it in in developers hands at this point [TS]

  being an unbaked product I think that they had to because it's so significant [TS]

  and so much of the success is wrapped up around the App Store and they need is [TS]

  maybe a difficult word so elevated that they may not need anything but they [TS]

  certainly want at least some subset of apps ready to go on day one with this [TS]

  thing and how far along how far away is day one [TS]

  well let's think about that I think that in the past it's always launched with [TS]

  new hardware so they said fall which means from North American or you know [TS]

  northern hemisphere fall last year's schedule was like a late September new [TS]

  iPhone and [TS]

  iPod Touch and then mid-october new iPads I wouldn't be surprised to see [TS]

  that exact schedule reproduced in theory if they have it all ready to go they [TS]

  could just do one big event and do new iPhones and iPads but we're looking at [TS]

  something like September October because that's the new hardware is coming in the [TS]

  new hardware i think is gonna need seven because every single previous year the [TS]

  new hardware has to run the new OS so there's been a lot of talk about this [TS]

  being an opportunity you know there's Marcos post about burning everything [TS]

  down so you can grow you know grow fresh and then there's been a lot of talk [TS]

  about what you just mentioned which is that developers they need refreshed apps [TS]

  in the App Store from day one of the new of the of the of the launch so what do [TS]

  you think is involved in that for most developers is it just a redesign of [TS]

  looking or is it how much re-engineering I really don't know yet and that's [TS]

  really I've been thinking about it nonstop and I probably would have been [TS]

  thinking about it just as much even without that but now I've got a vested [TS]

  interest in it with my own out that just came out and I feel like we're in better [TS]

  shape than most because I feel like we kind of made it a little bit rate [TS]

  correctly gauged which way the wind was blind but it still is a lot of questions [TS]

  you know here's one here's a big one every single app from Apple in Iowa 7 [TS]

  that has a navigation bar at the top in other words I think that title back [TS]

  button at the top left in another table but none that operate its it's white [TS]

  it's a white navigation bar that semi translucent and then they distinguish [TS]

  between them they brand the absolute a bit just by the color of the text [TS]

  are so the calendar app is read the Mail app is blue and yellow but you get to [TS]

  see what I mean they're all white wondering is when I S seven ships and we [TS]

  kind of gathered collective sense of what it means to have a native for iOS 7 [TS]

  user interface is that is everybody going to have to wait now far are we [TS]

  still gonna be allowed to do what what what's what's this isn't even about [TS]

  what's officially prescribed in the Human Interface Guidelines but just sort [TS]

  of what we collectively agree is iowa style design but can we use branded [TS]

  colors in a navigation bar the way yelp is red and that's Perez that slate blue [TS]

  we gonna be able to do that or is that gonna feel weird out of place in the old [TS]

  timey yeah I don't think it's the whiteness the white background [TS]

  necessarily as much as it is the text styling and the you know the borderless [TS]

  labels in the book for those buttons I think that's going to be the universal [TS]

  the only universally accepted unless Apple updates that for some reason which [TS]

  they still may I mean it's it's getting a lot of getting a lot of crap from [TS]

  designers which I guess we'll probably talk some more about but I just as an [TS]

  aside before we got my eye I put it on my everyday phone on day one which was a [TS]

  terrible idea and people warned against I did and that within half a day while I [TS]

  was still up in San Francisco my phone battery was dying within three hours and [TS]

  I was that a cable and it was not so I i downgraded 2614 again soon as I got home [TS]

  and then just before the show so you know I had already kind of foreign my [TS]

  collective opinion about about it by the time I downgraded but I haven't looked [TS]

  at it [TS]

  and then about 45 mins ago I installed on my on a backup phone someone came out [TS]

  again and I set it up as a new phone and it gets you know goes through the [TS]

  welcome you know goes through the selector English your language selector [TS]

  WiFi network and then it says welcome to iPhone on a splash screen and there's an [TS]

  OK button that's not a button it just says okay and I go to tap OK and I [TS]

  missed ok I missed like I felt like it felt like when you when you go to high [TS]

  five somebody and you miss the high five [TS]

  its foreign I definitely think it's you know and I think that the borderless [TS]

  buttons or maybe the most drastic change and that's and I do find it surprising [TS]

  even wrote before and I i sort of a never really didn't know I did not know [TS]

  if this was gone but I did write something along the lines of you know [TS]

  that the gist of it you don't need all that stuff that's bubbly and really over [TS]

  the top [TS]

  making a button super bunny people can get whatever people understand what a [TS]

  touch screen button is now see you don't need to make it look super bunny but [TS]

  they really took out with buttons to the ultimate extreme and completely removed [TS]

  any and all orders from the buttons they're really just text which which [TS]

  means that there is an implied field of where they call it [TS]

  field of interest or something what what is the the top mobile space around the [TS]

  target area the target area there is an implied target area that they that they [TS]

  sort of assume that in 2013 people know where it is but an assumption that whole [TS]

  thing I think it's kind of too early to call really I just missed it [TS]

  yeah I think the thing that sort of feels off to me about no border buttons [TS]

  is that I always associate that with web pages that if the web it never existed I [TS]

  might be more amenable to this then [TS]

  than I am but to me when I see something that you can tap and all it is taxed [TS]

  with no border around it I just think its a linking a webpage right and why is [TS]

  that because of cursor still offers so much more precision targeting than it [TS]

  than it than a finger does right and they do it doesn't seem like it seems [TS]

  like they have generous [TS]

  areas but you know I don't think you missed because the tap areas too small [TS]

  although I don't know maybe in a particular case in that setup screen you [TS]

  did because maybe they haven't seen in a maybe that has everything that they've [TS]

  tested the least because they don't how many times they go through the initial [TS]

  setup screen for a developer beta weightlessness do other things but you [TS]

  know those in some urinals they have like a little printed fly above the [TS]

  drain yes you see ya how clever and invention is that it just seems like the [TS]

  guy who came up with that idea or the manner lady who came up with that idea [TS]

  sorry woman came up with the most pat themselves on the back every single day [TS]

  you know I was gonna say it had to be a man but maybe it was a woman because you [TS]

  know they're the ones who constantly complain about men yeah right it could [TS]

  just be a woman who is managing some sort of facility where they were [TS]

  spending an inordinate amount of time cleaning a sloppy sloppy Pacers [TS]

  so why a fly in like just a tiny balls I or the word ok I wonder that I don't [TS]

  know I don't like depending on with syrians sports teams [TS]

  Obama I mean Red Sox logo in New York Yankees logo in a Boston years actually [TS]

  that probably get a lot of practice spot on targeting I don't know why maybe [TS]

  because at a glance you might think it really is a fly you know I wonder how [TS]

  much they tested it to people if it really were a fly is that it's actually [TS]

  a cool thing to do that to you in a lie [TS]

  seems fun [TS]

  I mean I'm not I'm not a Buddhist or anything but I don't I don't take any [TS]

  extra delight in killing insects crawling on the walls of my house and I [TS]

  gotta get rid of it but you know but I guess I would if I saw your real fly any [TS]

  or all I would try to be so I guess the question well so I just need some I need [TS]

  some sort of an ankle like an object [TS]

  really for me what it's all about the underlying fear of the new of the [TS]

  redesign of the OS for me right now is that none of the buttons are objects in [TS]

  there and I feel like I need objects in my life to touch you not do not as [TS]

  satisfying to touch you know I just had another idea what if you look that up [TS]

  with an actual little hole and they would be like one of those things that [TS]

  the carnival where you should discard cunning and build up a balloon and then [TS]

  get to keep the balloon successfully you know put enough you're into the whole [TS]

  accurately when ya get an inflated blame Justin idea as a free idea that you [TS]

  anybody out there you guys can take three ideas and that's one thing that [TS]

  you know it's need having desperate because I can now say the this is my [TS]

  taste in user interface and one thing we do investor that's completely opposite [TS]

  of the Iowa 7 direction is that for all of our buttons there's really very [TS]

  noticeable tap downstate for when you tap on something terrible but haven't we [TS]

  sort of go the old style ruling from the classic Mac era letterpress does the [TS]

  same thing but it actually in versus the colors so if it's you know a white [TS]

  button and you tap it then it turns dark blue dark blue bunny [TS]

  but it turns white text reverses its lovely how this works where are you to [TS]

  help us sell for a moment it turns it turns out light grey background turns [TS]

  light gray and then the whole cell lift off the page to indicate that its [TS]

  struggle with shadow and I find that to be in other apps just in this modern [TS]

  cutting-edge design aside like when I sometimes CNN and it has like Tiger this [TS]

  is a dark blue nav bar and there's a button I get done by the top right [TS]

  corner and when I tap it if it just gets like a little bit darker that bothers me [TS]

  a little bit because I feel like maybe I missed it I like to know that on my tab [TS]

  down I've hit the target I intended to hit by looking at the pixels that fill [TS]

  out from underneath my finger and I can tell I've got it whereas iOS 7 is the [TS]

  complete opposite sign for most things if you tap them it's almost impossible [TS]

  to see visually on the screen that you did because all they do is really just [TS]

  take the text and make it lighter and the background new nodes and you can [TS]

  tell us doing anything over yet still and that's the only airport texture in [TS]

  the back room still yeah that's your choice it seems almost out of place like [TS]

  the letterpress texture which I love and I'm super happy of the hang on to any of [TS]

  that you look at the Contacts app to have though I do open up the contacts [TS]

  and then a list of people I don't look behind it through the it's like the list [TS]

  itself is translucent and how long does it take you into the parallax trickery [TS]

  with owner and I could tell there was a picture there but it took me took me a [TS]

  surprisingly Laura long amount of time to figure out where that picture was [TS]

  coming from you know [TS]

  so you're saying that the wallpaper is supposed to appear behind its not the [TS]

  wallpaper its you at least for me when I open the context admits using the [TS]

  front-facing camera and showing me but but translucent and very blurred behind [TS]

  the list of all the contacts interesting I'm not saying that maybe I don't know [TS]

  how I got it [TS]

  contacts panel now at a cafe go to favorites I don't have any favorites [TS]

  that's pretty cool I mean what do you think of that is that what does that's [TS]

  what I thought I think it I think it is that it's ready for you to FaceTime ok [TS]

  that's interesting that's interesting aides are always wants you to be aware [TS]

  but that's it but it's only in the context out there right now that's all I [TS]

  see right [TS]

  operating metaphor that is pretty interesting I can't find any I can't [TS]

  think of there being any use for it and like you know because I because I was [TS]

  raised in an era of processor hungry computers by my anxiety it causes [TS]

  anxiety meters eating up processor cycles and at the expense of something [TS]

  else [TS]

  yeah me too little bit my instincts run the other way to be like value [TS]

  efficiency above us but I think you know this is clearly being built I mean [TS]

  literally for like the next 10 years [TS]

  oh absolutely that's it that's the interesting thing about development of [TS]

  this design is that it's not just for iOS that much has to be clear we have to [TS]

  keep that much in mind is that there was a language that's going to be applicable [TS]

  across all their devices even the ones that we don't especially the ones we [TS]

  don't know about yeah yeah I definitely think that that's a big part of it and [TS]

  in fact [TS]

  was like forget who I was talking to at WWDC but I was talking to somebody and [TS]

  you know it's got a second third-hand information but you know somebody i no [TS]

  information there but somebody was talking to somebody and somebody else [TS]

  said that this was largely informed by devices that are coming down the pipe [TS]

  and it's not that it's not supposed to look good on everybody's iPhones and [TS]

  iPads that already existed and upgrade when it comes out but that its hand in [TS]

  hand with new device new stuff that's coming out yeah that makes sense in it [TS]

  it would make sense to me that it's a visual language that's that's not the [TS]

  doesn't have anything to do with touch because you know just personal taste [TS]

  wise I want you know like I said I want objects such as objects to have have to [TS]

  wait and make sense to me that that these new style of weightless buttons or [TS]

  just for things that were also interact with others you know other means whether [TS]

  its voice heard somebody say and you know use an argument that this was meant [TS]

  for because Syria's gonna get stronger and stronger and more intrigued role [TS]

  integral to the US about that I don't know about it either I wanted to follow [TS]

  up with more I think syria remains sort of its own universe and I think sort of [TS]

  sort of rightly so [TS]

  like an entirely second Terry interface to the phone I did it so well you tell [TS]

  me first so I was just going to say it's did I say I do like her daddy do you say [TS]

  that they're serious sort of a secondary interface [TS]

  I said well I like that yeah I don't know I don't think that we see in the [TS]

  touch interface has anything to do with that would make sense but I do like that [TS]

  they're starting to hinted integrating series into deeper controls [TS]

  then just you know where's the nearest gas station yeah I totally agree with [TS]

  that that I think that there's long-term serious plan there too to keep Siri Siri [TS]

  as we know it is baby steps compared to what we're gonna expect of a device in [TS]

  five years in terms of context awareness knowing where you are and what you're [TS]

  doing when you're there I did a video for nuance a few months ago and it was [TS]

  like a vision video that's supposed to sort of imagine how we're gonna be able [TS]

  to interact with their devices through voice and I find myself very frustrated [TS]

  with my cuz when I'm holding my baby and don't have my other hand tree in my my [TS]

  iphone is literally 18 inches from my face that I can't just tell it you know [TS]

  tell it to do something [TS]

  yeah it seems so I don't know why but I rather than just looking at it right now [TS]

  what do you think of the new multitasking and I think it's cool not [TS]

  original I mean in the first I think that the three guys get the credit for [TS]

  this first the webOS palm pre [TS]

  yeah yeah definitely that was that was pretty much exactly the switchers and I [TS]

  think so the one thing Apple added which i think is actually pretty cool is the [TS]

  icons underneath which scroll with a different rate there's a sort of a [TS]

  parallax there so you can go if you wanna go by icon it's a lot faster if [TS]

  you wanna go by screenshot it slower but they're bigger and I think the reason [TS]

  that this works so well is that there are a lot of apps that look almost the [TS]

  same as them just a whitelist with black america text you know now it's the bars [TS]

  all the same it's even harder [TS]

  so the icon is there to disambiguate them and I think that having the icons [TS]

  underneath in a different scrolling list but which matches the screenshots in the [TS]

  center is way cooler than just putting a Nikon badge on screen shots agreed it's [TS]

  taking me a little bit of time he's too how the snap like the physics of the [TS]

  snapping I feel like I i tend to overshoot what I'm going for [TS]

  pretty easily like it's almost too it's almost too classy yeah I guess it's a [TS]

  new messages out and it's I guess it's a new white rectangle so I mean I think [TS]

  having the icons essential yeah the most I think the message is the most [TS]

  controversial for me why so why is that just the well the style of the buns [TS]

  the aquifers buttons in 2006 or so iconic [TS]

  these just seem cheap by comparison like that the fact that they hung onto the [TS]

  dialogue bubble butt just made it to da illustrated without any texture or or [TS]

  death whatsoever and then the cheap little cockeyed animation to bring you [TS]

  up to the top [TS]

  I have to think that the animation for them you know as you type [TS]

  you're saying like when you type the message you hit Send and it pops out of [TS]

  the text field and turned into a bubble it does but it also does it like with [TS]

  one side at a time you know it goes off axis a little bit yeah and the way it [TS]

  feels like a like a train hit off the rails a little bit then why would it why [TS]

  would it do that I'm trying to you know you you always gotta try to force [TS]

  yourself to ask why what's what's behind the decision they had to do something [TS]

  terrible and awful time I mean I was kidding [TS]

  earlier this is terrible and awful but if there's something that you've signed [TS]

  as questionable like there's gotta be some reason behind it but I can't really [TS]

  figure out any reason that one side would go up cockeyed and then settle [TS]

  settle out flat yeah I i cant i really you know again who knows when september [TS]

  twenty something like this thing ships and its ships exactly like this and you [TS]

  know I guess I'll be wrong but I can't help but think that the animation on [TS]

  right now is just not completely but just entombed and yeah that in the right [TS]

  you know I think it was a really hard deadline because they did you know that [TS]

  a certain point no matter how late it was announced to be the BTC they really [TS]

  wanted to get this out at WABC cuz if they didn't get it out at WWDC then when [TS]

  were you know it kinda had to happen and I think it's clear how close they are to [TS]

  being not even having made that deadline having a you know even vaguely usable [TS]

  beta by WTC cuz he didn't even have an iPad version is still down and it is [TS]

  impressive but I do think though that that meant that they had to you know [TS]

  anybody's ever shipped to 1.0 of anything let alone an entire mobile [TS]

  operating system you you really when you have a hard deadline like that you've [TS]

  just gotta start prioritizing what you're going to spend time on before the [TS]

  anything not done by this time isn't gonna make it in [TS]

  I think you know things like crashing bugs or you know actual things that keep [TS]

  you from using the app have to go above getting animation right I'm testing it [TS]

  on a 40 s and that's also one of the things that there's a couple of minutes [TS]

  mostly animation related that real slow enough for us like a bad frame rate and [TS]

  I have full faith that all the time it ships but on the other hand they have [TS]

  shipped it's not like they've never shipped version of iOS that ran slow on [TS]

  older hardware I mean they are you know I mean I think they would certainly [TS]

  would like it to be fast enough for us but I don't know it's a little [TS]

  concerning to me but for us right now as well and i just i mean somebody's [TS]

  animations are really pretty impressive actually realize I just am definitely [TS]

  like just you know going into a nap or going back out to the home screen those [TS]

  don't get jittery at all it's clean it's nice it and it's like its context aware [TS]

  it's like it's not just freezing the frame of what you're looking at and [TS]

  zooming into it [TS]

  there's some dynamic stuff going on feels like yeah definitely I mean and [TS]

  that's you know this isn't breaking any kind of developer NDA be announced that [TS]

  the thing that there is a new an entirely new framework and Iowa 7 could [TS]

  be getting it wrong but I think its dynamics but yes it is you I dynamics [TS]

  it's a physics engine for stuff on screen and it seems to be the ABS the [TS]

  developers that are doing like clever hacks to the SDK for things like save [TS]

  states those of those are going to be the ones that are most kind of screwed [TS]

  by this new stuff where you'll see you like [TS]

  launching into a nap some of the town you know like to eat butter something [TS]

  you'll see a doubling of some of the status bar elements that's not supposed [TS]

  to be there because they're obviously doing something clever to you know [TS]

  refresh their save state from you last launch yeah there's no I mean and that's [TS]

  the nature of the major OS release in you know and and I should say this [TS]

  entire discussion that I even wrote about it earlier this week about people [TS]

  you know don't panic about Iowa seven it's just a bad day to me there's a [TS]

  middle ground it's not the point is not to say hey because it's a beta it's [TS]

  beyond criticism that we've already done half an hour here criticized the point [TS]

  though is you've gotta put it in the context that its beta in early June of [TS]

  something that's probably not gonna ship until late September at the latest I [TS]

  mean at the earliest and who knows maybe not until October so you know it's just [TS]

  don't don't assume that this is what it's going to be when it ships but on [TS]

  the other hand a lot of this you know and and they have design guidelines that [TS]

  are out there pushing a meeting go to apple.com and Iowa seven is what they're [TS]

  showing you in the front pages of daikon so a lot of this is clearly you know is [TS]

  meant to be taken as the final design but as this is pretty much were going to [TS]

  ship so are you in and whiskas and Brent sweating swearing-in at this point or [TS]

  decrease spending long you have long talks about what are you going to [TS]

  redesign now not yet have a few little things but you know we have enough stuff [TS]

  to do in the near term for quick updates to dress a few things that we don't have [TS]

  to worry about it and I you know you know I think we need to have this settle [TS]

  in little bit so that it doesn't feel so foreign before we know what we're [TS]

  supposed to do right somehow it's like you know it's like detecting an accent [TS]

  you know when you say you know it's like when you see it and iPhone app 37 [TS]

  and it just doesn't look right doesn't you know right it's like it's an app [TS]

  that speaking with a foreign accent [TS]

  well i i can't tell what the native Iowa 7 dialect sounds like I agree I don't [TS]

  think there is one cohesive one yet because it's so diverse among all the [TS]

  apps that they shipped me really complain about it is the calendar out [TS]

  yeah I trying to really unusable actually I can't help but think that [TS]

  it's just it's just not even close to finished not even finished being [TS]

  designed feature wise because it doesn't even have a list of events anymore it's [TS]

  just it literally account it's it's like a wall calendar and its you've got the [TS]

  day numbers of the month in one horizontal row where you have to swipe [TS]

  from week to week which is not entirely discoverable or usable like I don't [TS]

  understand why anybody would want that now it just doesn't it doesn't really [TS]

  make sense to me I mean it kind of looks good but in terms of actually using it [TS]

  as your calendar doesn't even seem feasible the animation is slick slick as [TS]

  hell there's like the little bit of offset swipe around but the status by [TS]

  the title bar where the month is them in the search button + it all seems again [TS]

  without any borders are in the objects that all seems crammed together a little [TS]

  bit one thing I noticed was that if you go to the Apple page for iOS 7 they [TS]

  don't even have a demo [TS]

  movies that demo of all the built-in apps for most of the built-in apps [TS]

  calendar doesn't Apple which furthers my vague suspicions that this isn't is so [TS]

  unfinished that they don't even want to show it really but I do it there's some [TS]

  animations of this great like when you're on the annual review [TS]

  2013 shows little Square thumbnails for each month if I tap on june the J UN it [TS]

  doesn't just the whole view doesn't like fade out fade in the June moves up to [TS]

  where it's supposed to go and then the dates you know I mean there's it's a [TS]

  great little animation the way that it it's they they they stay there it's like [TS]

  you're staying in the same position it instead of the whole view sliding over [TS]

  to the left the elements day on screen and zoom up in the position [TS]

  yeah there's some really nice stuff is there any stuff that you know I'm just [TS]

  curious what made you go wow this is brilliant and what made you go I never [TS]

  want to see that again I guess the first thing that made me say wow was just the [TS]

  basic zooming in zooming out feel like there's something better and way just to [TS]

  me way better about just when you tap an icon in it and it's like the icon sorda [TS]

  turns into the apt and assumes that your face to consume the screening when you [TS]

  hit the home button it's like the screens snaps back into the iPhone Icon [TS]

  also I really dig the new photos out yeah I think the thing where you can [TS]

  zoom out to these tiny north on Nelson's Grove over them extremely cool and is is [TS]

  addressing there is a case where they're addressing an actual problem that real [TS]

  people have which is that you've got eight hundred photos on your photo [TS]

  rolling don't know where water where any of them are [TS]

  what about you what was the first thing I made you say wow [TS]

  probably was the was the new home screen for the new other just seeing the text [TS]

  for the first time was it's not necessarily better is just knew and this [TS]

  was the first really the first new thing that we'd seen design ways in the OS [TS]

  version 1 yeah totally and it hasn't changed since version one except for the [TS]

  notifications that they've added in the middle and I don't mean the new [TS]

  notifications when whenever the whatever always was at five I think so those were [TS]

  huge improvement I don't miss the old blue one with the white stroker on them [TS]

  right but I didn't I don't feel like I was just begging to have later text on [TS]

  it and it just the sort of shameful thought is that it now looks more like [TS]

  other mobile devices as a good let's get back to that one will continue from [TS]

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  crazier it looks in a good way [TS]

  yeah they're really crisp and really well printed and it's you know in the [TS]

  same way that you got your retina display i funny like I was like wow [TS]

  these pixels are right on the surface this looks so much better there's that [TS]

  little bit of pair Alexis the same thing with this whereby printing right on the [TS]

  glass it it's instantly you can tell that even from you know couple feet away [TS]

  that it's not a picture underclass that it's a picture on glass and its [TS]

  frameless it's it's just the glasses there's there's there's nothing separate [TS]

  their mean it comes mounted to a piece of which has like a real secure all in a [TS]

  way to come out to your wall everything is really nice it should be a really [TS]

  nicely crafted product and you put your own imagery on it so it's not like you [TS]

  have to go to the frame store anything cuz it's a drag you just like sending a [TS]

  digital photo you get this cool full full-bleed effect because it's printed [TS]

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  gonna think the fix was in [TS]

  as I just thought I literally found this out five minutes started recording [TS]

  they've got it they are they going to yeah we're going to the pool this is how [TS]

  if an editor got an email from them they wanted to confirm that I got that the [TS]

  demos pictures inside adderall listeners are shown in a poor as to who was going [TS]

  to be the guest this week and and I'll dealing with his money was on our minds [TS]

  but the fix was not in I did not know this until I already asked you to be on [TS]

  the show [TS]

  yeah it comes as a surprise to me I didn't know that they were sponsors I [TS]

  think the reason is I think it's inevitable here's why i think its cool [TS]

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  really need thing I I never in a million years would have come up with this idea [TS]

  but now that I've seen it now this is what I want to do with my pictures that [TS]

  I want to put on the wall from companies like to sponsor this show called [TS]

  companies also clearly wants sandwich videos was the last one the last one was [TS]

  shared but then there's the igloo igloo yeah [TS]

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  they've got a whole is like a TV series series as a whole series in there [TS]

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  yeah alright so [TS]

  I'm comfortable sort of uncomfortable fact is I was 7 looks more like other [TS]

  mobile operating systems and in addition maybe the thing that looks most like is [TS]

  not another operating system but sort of looks a lot like the Google static for [TS]

  iOS apps which is not the same as Android right the Google Apps Fri West [TS]

  don't look like Android they look like Google's iOS aesthetic yeah that's an [TS]

  interesting distinction how would you characterize it just like text way back [TS]

  white backgrounds translucency right doesn't think it does [TS]

  you know a lighter lighter weight meaning dinner stroke Helvetica these [TS]

  sort of vibrant blue reds yellows you know the Google palette primary colors [TS]

  maybe his way to say it [TS]

  yeah I mean an interior designer but I but I i and you're not you know you're [TS]

  you're not a designer either but I asked you like 10 in your opinion what is [TS]

  later text mean why why that is that akin why do people see why is it [TS]

  trending that way I don't know I don't know what it means I guess it kind of [TS]

  goes hand in hand with friendliness I don't know maybe just sort of general [TS]

  trend has been going out way marketing wise to ever since the I think starting [TS]

  with the MacBook Air but did you know to emphasize there's lightness they [TS]

  period with a lighter text and then last year with the iPhone 5 they really went [TS]

  later they think they've been commissioned might have commissioned a [TS]

  new version of myriad the myriad of a long story short but it's a multiple [TS]

  master fund so it was always intended to have highly adjustable stroke with but [TS]

  they went super lightweight with it because they wanted to emphasize way of [TS]

  emphasizing the physical fitness of the iPhone 5 with the Denison lightness of [TS]

  the marketing material that surrounded it right and they I get that but why [TS]

  does it have to be everywhere why does everybody everything have to be no [TS]

  universally liked I mean to me first of all was the world clamoring for [TS]

  universally later text people looking at like normal weight text and going how my [TS]

  eyes and then I mean I just prefer that it were used selectively just like bold [TS]

  text is I don't know I think it's too I think a lot of it is just subjective and [TS]

  it's what you know [TS]

  Jony ive in the other designers who were calling the shots on I was 7 like [TS]

  whether it's that they like it at the moment or whether it's what they like [TS]

  forever I think it's what they like it's not to my personal liking you know again [TS]

  Vesper serves as a perfect example I mean where the text there is a little [TS]

  heavier if anything it's a little heavier than standard I mean I mean [TS]

  regular weight of medaka ideal sands book i think is a slightly slightly [TS]

  boulder stroke weight and we used semi bold and a bunch of places to go even [TS]

  bolder but I don't think I again I think that's a way where Apple is going to [TS]

  mean I think Apple is setting their own look for the default abs and I don't [TS]

  think third party apps necessarily need to follow that I could be wrong [TS]

  admit I haven't read the designed transition document [TS]

  maybe it said you got a you know how that a culturally everywhere as you're [TS]

  not going to be home but I don't think that's the case I think it's Apple is [TS]

  setting their own look what's interesting to me is that so much focus [TS]

  is being so much attention is being given to the icon the RBI country [TS]

  designs yeah well I'm not surprised but I'm surprised that a week later people [TS]

  are still spending so much time on my right which is just a small slice it's [TS]

  the most visible front racing slice of the redesign but those can be designed [TS]

  without any implication whatsoever on the rest of this operating system but [TS]

  when it when I look at these grand it's all grad still what they've done away [TS]

  completely with is the is the spec the glossy speculate on all the elements [TS]

  which I'm pretty glad it's there in the game center icon still up for some [TS]

  reason I don't know why those bubbles are still glossy but everywhere else [TS]

  it's got a grad from light to dark and what's interesting is that like in the [TS]

  mail app in AppStore and videos and Safari the lighter side of the grad is [TS]

  this neon greenish blue and the implication of those kind of the [TS]

  highlights was the reason to grant exist is because your simulating like there's [TS]

  a light source on the object right right well I guess that's what used to be well [TS]

  I think I feel like it's still got kind of gotta be like this that it's all [TS]

  about making a light source but the weird thing is that they're basically [TS]

  saying that these objects live under fluorescent green light which weird I [TS]

  saw somebody there's a couple things and it certainly got the most attention [TS]

  agree with all of it but I do think I think it's exciting that it and I'm not [TS]

  offended as a lot of people are some of the decisions [TS]

  but I think the reason everybody obsesses over icon design even even now [TS]

  just professional people who actually make a living design icons who are [TS]

  largely are upset about these changes at least in most of the public reaction [TS]

  i've seen that there's sort of a collective what the fuck from people who [TS]

  actually design icons professionally regarding this but I think the reason [TS]

  even armchair critics of Iowa s always or any system will jump on that by [TS]

  konzi's that app icon designs the one area that so capitulated that everybody [TS]

  can imagine doing it even if they don't have the artistic ability to do it [TS]

  everybody thinks he can only imagine being able to draw nap icon sure you [TS]

  just make a doll and a little square so everybody has ideas in any time you've [TS]

  ever done client work involves an icon god that's just the worst cause [TS]

  everybody has an idea you can you can never please anybody with [TS]

  well I mean I really enjoyed living media is did you see the limit is [TS]

  reached he put it up on durable as a reader now I didn't see it it's really [TS]

  anybody could do it pisses people off I love he's he got no and is it partly why [TS]

  11 those that he's got no off switch things like this is a year or two ago [TS]

  and they've redesign when the itunes logo of people off because he trashed [TS]

  the new one from Apple well I just sent you the link to that and rebel condors [TS]

  have good yeah I got it looks pretty well no actually kind of disagree with [TS]

  some of these ok for example on the mail he went back to these tapered edges on [TS]

  the diagonals things whereas I think that the the new the new look and Iowa [TS]

  seven where they're sort it's more icon defied is actually better they're just [TS]

  these they're not it's a little bit less realistic and little bit more idealized [TS]

  envelope uniformly spaced right but largely I see what you're talking about [TS]

  you see here's the thing I see with the gradients the grads is that I got on the [TS]

  green ones like phone message it looks like they're they're lighted the top [TS]

  dark at the bottom and on the blue ones they're dark at the top and light at the [TS]

  bottom which to me is confusing light source wise if you're talking you know [TS]

  and and in the old iOS the gradients and those the greediness it was all of this [TS]

  was definitely light source and it was about it three dimensionality to them [TS]

  whereas in the new 1 I'm not quite sure why there's great ones that have a [TS]

  gradient because the one if its light at the top target the bottom to me that [TS]

  says it's always get this mixed up a convex shape and if like mail where it [TS]

  starts at the top and light at the bottom it's a concave shape because [TS]

  that's what would catch the light I don't know I don't know I i think is [TS]

  more about sources I mean it's got a basis in photography where sometimes for [TS]

  dramatic effect you under light something one big change though and it's [TS]

  very very clear to me is that the old the old iOS but our icons like the home [TS]

  screen was looked like an array of buttons and I am i dont know thats [TS]

  exactly why they went with this one of the big changes iowa's made and enforces [TS]

  that your icon has to be this round cornered square and a matter what you do [TS]

  it then it is gotta be around corner square and some people have done really [TS]

  clever things to make them 3d books book even though it's still in the US in [TS]

  forest shape to add a bottom edge or something [TS]

  whereas you know on the Mac and Windows and other systems for the outline shape [TS]

  of an icon was completely up to the designer could be anything and I thought [TS]

  I was thought that was clear from this shape and the three dimensionality in [TS]

  the Aqua can do this to them to all of them that they were meant to be like [TS]

  buttons you know any idea what you have a home screen of buttons and these are [TS]

  things you can do on your iPhone in you hit a button to do that and it was [TS]

  almost like you weren't even you didn't even have to think of them as apps thing [TS]

  you did on your phone because they really concerned most people at the time [TS]

  2007 had a phone that they could barely used to make phone calls that they [TS]

  barely program with their friends and families numbers and associated name and [TS]

  if they did figured out it was a huge pain and so here they're asking people [TS]

  to buy a phone that could browse the internet and be an iPod and manager [TS]

  calendar and do all these things and I you know I think they started with this [TS]

  mindset of all let's pretend that it's a regular fun and you just have these [TS]

  features and there's one level of hierarchy go to Home screen Calendar and [TS]

  it's a but the new buttons are the new icons I was 7 don't look like buttons [TS]

  anymore they still have their uniform outline but it's they're not biting me [TS]

  yeah they're more I don't know in this case I think they are more they're more [TS]

  like abstraction but they're they're like things I i guess i agree with you a [TS]

  UCC that diagram that is supposed to be the guidelines the template with the [TS]

  different circles the grid right thing and the circles way bigger than you [TS]

  think it would be yeah and are sharp al Melvin Morgan [TS]

  and Ray and went so far as to say that it was a wrong it was an aesthetically [TS]

  wrong decision and then a photographer friend David Friedman actually made it [TS]

  interesting point that he feels like it's a choice to break the aesthetic [TS]

  pattern of the aesthetic expectation much in the way of it there's a rule of [TS]

  thirds for photographers and and it's an aesthetic choice to break the rule of [TS]

  thirds for intentionally and he thinks that this that's what I've has done with [TS]

  this grade I think he's exactly right I do not think that it was any sort of [TS]

  ignorance about the conventions of Iowa iconography or best practices of iOS [TS]

  iconography you are not a wariness of what was deemed by good icon designers [TS]

  as the best icons I think it's a deliberate attempt to sort of break [TS]

  those expectations I think there is a sort of sounds dismissive and I don't [TS]

  mean it to be but a sort of cargo cult around icon designed for iOS that there [TS]

  is this this is the right look and feel for a good icon and people some of the [TS]

  people who are good at it got really good at it like there are some really [TS]

  cool icons for iOS apps but I think it really got locked into a certain [TS]

  mentality that I don't know is was meant to be forever I agree I mean this is a [TS]

  radical shift in it but it's not going to be the last radical shift that's [TS]

  gonna happen they might even be making them less [TS]

  chefs will be more temporary trend transitory like just like when you go [TS]

  for it I feel like I said Italy when when there's a shift like this then it [TS]

  just almost implies the next ship is going to shift is gonna happen quicker [TS]

  yeah I think so maybe and I do think to the other big thing about the grid is [TS]

  that the grid is not [TS]

  yet to make any individual icon look better [TS]

  the grid is very specifically about making your entire home screen of 20 or [TS]

  24 apps all the raid together look better and I do think there's some [TS]

  harmony to that I got mine I happen to have clock next app store next to [TS]

  settings which are all circles in the round square and it's something nice [TS]

  about the fact that all the circles at the same size is live now [TS]

  yeah I read that sentence it's a sweep its not take right on the second hand [TS]

  right give you agree that you may get worried that it's burning CPU so that it [TS]

  should only be updating once every second not third of a second or whatever [TS]

  its sweeping that it's pretty also it's just like I don't know if they could [TS]

  make that secondhand any any thinner than the one pixel by 20 pixels that it [TS]

  is anything but the new folders I think they're really attractive I do too and I [TS]

  think that it's also one of the best uses of translucency yeah and the system [TS]

  and I think the way that you can pan through them you know and make multiple [TS]

  screens folders just literally put all of your even if you have any games you [TS]

  can put them all in one folder games and just sort of happened Tuesday could you [TS]

  know have to mode for your iPhone you could just have all your apps in a [TS]

  folder just four games [TS]

  service which the game mode and paid through I think it's great it's very [TS]

  very thoughtful and in a way that I think really makes it easier to organize [TS]

  a lot of apps yet is among all the changes that we've been talking about is [TS]

  should be instantly familiar 222 existing iPhone users I don't think [TS]

  anybody will be confused by these new folders I love that frosted glass [TS]

  I I had I was able to tell on the wall pit the default wallpaper though it [TS]

  installed but I just said like a really colorful photo to the home screen and [TS]

  the folder with the frosted glass this super defocused background it looks more [TS]

  real than anything and I was 16 yeah it looks like it really looks like I should [TS]

  be able to touch it and feel like i text frosted glass texture is one thing I [TS]

  think there's two things about it that they could improve so on the home screen [TS]

  all apps into folders have their label underneath when you tap a folder it [TS]

  opens up zooms up it doesn't again it's the same thing like just sort of zooming [TS]

  in and out but the text goes away and a new text label in a bigger fund is [TS]

  written above my link that the label should still be underneath and it should [TS]

  zoom with the icon yeah what's that was I don't know I don't understand it's [TS]

  right there I don't understand why it doesn't seem just like the thing I [TS]

  talked about the calendar a couple minutes ago where the month name even [TS]

  though moves into a different position versus the days of the calendar it is [TS]

  assumed into that position in the days I'm sure that space on the bottom for [TS]

  some the other thing I thought is that you should be able to pinch-hit close it [TS]

  and then I read on 9 to 5 Mac the other day that somebody was like poking around [TS]

  the internet even jailbroken poking around the internals of it and there is [TS]

  a hidden setting that they obviously were plainly that is right now to close [TS]

  it you just tap away from it but I think you should be able to chip in the new [TS]

  folders yeah I think people get used to the icons I think the colors are [TS]

  curiously chosen oh and you brought it up before that it almost don't know how [TS]

  to describe them they're not might there not I don't hate them I don't like this [TS]

  really bothers me [TS]

  but they're not to my liking yeah who knows it's just a guess as a [TS]

  transitional who knows what next year will be do you think that their target [TS]

  audience for the colors question I mean I would think you know younger people [TS]

  that's what I think too [TS]

  to me it's not a masculine feminine thing it's a kids now kids to to rough [TS]

  it doesn't look childish even I've seen a lot of critics of the icons call them [TS]

  childish its youthful and I feel like I'm forty I'm old enough for you know [TS]

  there's people who I can call youths a lot younger than me but aren't kids [TS]

  definitely there's you know colors come in and out of action just like clothes [TS]

  do and I guess that's how it is very current hopefully and like a lot of [TS]

  people of compared to compared it to serve a tease me on like Miami vices [TS]

  that maybe that's why I think it's also true I do think it's true I think this [TS]

  is a lot as it's fundamentally timeless design for the OS but I feel like it [TS]

  forwards for fashionable [TS]

  decoration on top I feel like the metaphors that they're using in a way [TS]

  that they're using zooming in and out and layering is is fundamentally with [TS]

  this for you know probably the the rest of Iowa's life and I think it's a good [TS]

  thing I think the actual specific palette of like the colors used under [TS]

  icons is subject to change in two years [TS]

  definitely that's all just skin but it's interesting in for example I do have my [TS]

  testing phone I have Google Maps and Google Maps app in the Google Maps app [TS]

  really looks like the colors on the icon looks so restrained whereas in general I [TS]

  think Google uses you know colors that are more primary then I like typical me [TS]

  everybody gray color even black but compared in Apple's new icons Google's [TS]

  looks very very flat and I don't mean flattened a three dimensional i mean [TS]

  colors yeah just restrained all there there there is sticking with the design [TS]

  of the maps which I guess maybe maps have to just be universally colored in [TS]

  order to be accessible I don't know D saturated as another yeah I needed it [TS]

  really funny to think of Google is the one using D saturated colors kinda crazy [TS]

  actually [TS]

  the color of them the road in maps as the same color as the same yellow is [TS]

  that the top of the notes very close so here's another thing so you go to for [TS]

  example and I think it's the best maybe the best example you got in the mail app [TS]

  and at the bottom it's the same fundamental layout as the old male you [TS]

  know now barred the top can go up and down messages you can go back to the no [TS]

  further up the hierarchy and then at the bottom is a toolbar where there's a flag [TS]

  button a folder button archiver trash button fly button what do you think [TS]

  about those icons at the bottom in the toolbar the square with the arrow all of [TS]

  them male like the flag holder archive reply like when you're in a message [TS]

  they're they're fine I mean they they they say what they they're just to say [TS]

  they're light and nice and clean [TS]

  I can't get into the one the square with the pointing arrow though ya know what [TS]

  the hell it is that's like replacement share button to share but just action [TS]

  because in some cases it's not as sharing it's just sort of like a do [TS]

  something with this thing yeah yeah I've always thought of it gets but now it's [TS]

  difficult it's it's tricky getting used to the up arrow and it seems like it [TS]

  should make that big of a difference i dont like I don't like this [TS]

  icons like dry cleaning instructions on a piece of clothing they they they just [TS]

  don't fit with anything to my mind and there's this site its [TS]

  like Helvetica cons and it smelled weird its age [TS]

  LV here it is HLB I T I i cos HLV [TS]

  just a Jovi T and then icons . ch as its west and they're not open source their [TS]

  royalty free you pay for them but they're like clipart icons you can use [TS]

  and there you know the idea is that it's like clip clipart icons that are [TS]

  supposed to look like the general aesthetic go Helvetica of the phone and [TS]

  I think that they largely succeed I think that they do kind of I don't know [TS]

  you know I might even quite sure how to describe that but as Jordan rectangular [TS]

  interest to them in uniforms group with characterizes Helvetica these I contact [TS]

  that to me is what the icons seven should look like more or less yeah they [TS]

  should match somehow harm harmoniously with the feel of Helvetica itself [TS]

  whereas these field totally foreign to him and and I you know I actually think [TS]

  a lot like Android robotic to me [TS]

  yeah they just look like two leaders look like really lightweight Helvetica [TS]

  Helvetic ons there's something that doesn't look like there to the linear [TS]

  when things are flattening of etiquette they're very flat rectangular it's a [TS]

  right corner but when things are curved it's very curvy whereas these have very [TS]

  little curved them it's all just rectangles in right angles and 45 degree [TS]

  angles and the other thing about them too is that there's again there's almost [TS]

  no indication when you've tapped on 15 successfully tap Done unless you kinda [TS]

  purposefully tap off to the side because there's no background color change the [TS]

  old the IRS had like a paid when you click on toolbar icon or a glow [TS]

  glow I i guess its glow and it was a large enough radius on the glow that you [TS]

  could see it outside your unless you really covered it up with a big fat [TS]

  bummer but we give you this instant hit you know feedback that hey you hit the [TS]

  thing that you were trying to hit or they didn't hit the thing that you were [TS]

  trying to hit where is this you completely cover them up and the only [TS]

  visual indication is that they get lighter concerned about that yeah maybe [TS]

  maybe they're just making all this stuff so milquetoast that is just encourage [TS]

  people to screw it desires to break it and you know and i hope i know i mean [TS]

  this whole show hasn't sounded like them down I was 7 I'm super excited by it [TS]

  it's great overall but I think there's a lot of little details on what we've seen [TS]

  so far that really need a lot of work [TS]

  agreed we did a second sponsors our second sponsor also very excited about [TS]

  brand new app just launched today I know that it's all right now we're recording [TS]

  on Thursday the 20th I'm not sure though today officially it's in the story [TS]

  get it but I know the show's upcoming Council tomorrow so maybe it launched [TS]

  yesterday depending on your list called into the browser into the browser you [TS]

  can find out more it into the browser . Co CEO here's what it is that iPhone app [TS]

  and it turns any web page into a mobile webpage whole point of the app is mobile [TS]

  application of the web it downloads just the page's HTML parses out the context [TS]

  and content and then it renders it in a beautiful mobile style and it figures [TS]

  out which parts of the page which images actually matter and only gets those and [TS]

  so it's sort of like the way you might use Instapaper something else to read it [TS]

  later it's an aids for reading it now it's a read it now [TS]

  and it's great for any kind of context where you're out you don't have a great [TS]

  mobile connection earlier at a conference or something like that and [TS]

  everything super slow then instead of loading the full web page and then [TS]

  mobile firing it somehow it's just you put it and read it now mode and it [TS]

  doesn't mobile thing right from the get-go it does a really good job this is [TS]

  the hard part sounds like a great idea lots of other apps have done this lots [TS]

  of other services do it but I tried out for big stretch and it does a great job [TS]

  on all the other every site I tried to use it on does a great job of actually [TS]

  figuring out here's the actual part that you want to read and just giving you [TS]

  that as an automatic table of contents for every page where parses out the [TS]

  links on the page and you described over to the side has nice little 3d effect [TS]

  and it just shows you the links on the page which is great if you go to [TS]

  something like home page of a blog or something like that you could just go to [TS]

  during fireball what it shows you is just a list of all the links on during [TS]

  fireball and then you can find the one that you want and just load that so it's [TS]

  meant for speed is meant for browsing table of contents style and most [TS]

  importantly it does a perfect job rendering during fireball on the iPhone [TS]

  it's launching today again I'm quite sure if today is today today or [TS]

  yesterday today but when you hear this if you hear me say this to you it's [TS]

  their introductory price just $2.99 go to the AppStore search for into the [TS]

  browser you'll find it or find out more in the browser dot dot dot com dot Co [TS]

  for more information [TS]

  my only concern is my concern is have already i already every time I say I [TS]

  wanna see Instagram Instapaper and whenever I wanna see Instapaper I say [TS]

  Instagram and now I've got a third one [TS]

  an instant browser so gonna screw them all up 33 is all we need now more [TS]

  instances [TS]

  speaking of Instagram though the path and the news today is video stream so [TS]

  you're not a vine user very much you've done it a couple times yeah I think it's [TS]

  because I'm not good at it I I found to be interesting and I do check once in [TS]

  awhile and I'm not good at either lets I want to make that clear I don't I don't [TS]

  actually think in that format there are some people that are really good at it [TS]

  yeah I am NOT and it does it state tends not to be filmmakers is so there's no [TS]

  point there's no there's no connection between their correlation between people [TS]

  who make good films and people who should finds my favorite fine person is [TS]

  is Will Sasso the comic actor he's to be on MADtv and I don't know what else he's [TS]

  been doing using the Three Stooges movie and he makes the funniest lines I've [TS]

  ever seen and they always be alive he's the Rob Delaney avoids facing potential [TS]

  owners [TS]

  Instagram announced today is doing fine does except they're gonna give you 15 [TS]

  seconds instead of six seconds which in principle it really seems to rip it [TS]

  really seems spiteful it really seems like these other guys built a nice new [TS]

  thing that stands on its own [TS]

  you know it clearly isn't keeping people from using Instagram it's just a nice [TS]

  new thing it just happens to be owned by Twitter arrival of Facebook's and now [TS]

  they've gotta do the same thing all the best thing that could possibly happen [TS]

  and Instagram accidentally poached its own success or [TS]

  what do you call it when the word but basically that that they've they've sort [TS]

  of diluted there they've diluted themselves by allowing video and [TS]

  nobody's going to be interested in going there for stills or video anymore I mean [TS]

  no will to the good people at Instagram but Facebook you know what you took the [TS]

  words right now that I'm feel the same way I I like Instagram out using it but [TS]

  I feel a decision dick move and I also have to say when I go to answer I don't [TS]

  wanna see people's movies divine [TS]

  I kind of like the compartmentalization of Instagram and Vine you know things [TS]

  like that and you know and if people want to if there's a place where they [TS]

  should be sending them are you see amala wants let people post them on their [TS]

  facebook waller put on their Twitter something like that but I tend not to [TS]

  like it when it's something really special I am instantly start thinking [TS]

  about somebody Twitter's all of their Instagram's sure I wanted to see all of [TS]

  your instagrams I would follow you on Instagram yeah now we're probably wrong [TS]

  and it's gonna be Instagram is going to blow up even huge that it is now video [TS]

  is going to be really what ubiquitous in the fifteen seconds for when maybe [TS]

  people forget about that would that would suck but I think the vine still [TS]

  has something really crucial in special which is the videos are meant to [TS]

  autoload and just play without any interaction without any involvement on [TS]

  the other users part and you still have to believe you still have to press play [TS]

  on the ensuing videos they are driving operated by but I can't see how the [TS]

  fifteen seconds [TS]

  who knows maybe but it seems to me like when people would come out with rivals [TS]

  to Twitter and their future would be that it has more than a hundred and [TS]

  forty characters you know that that that hasn't worked so I don't know that it's [TS]

  gonna work here either and it's funny again to see Twitter being the one with [TS]

  the more restrictive limitation yeah but it makes sense I don't know if it makes [TS]

  this is a good idea for Instagram sense I don't know why the the the one point [TS]

  of friction to vie for inviting is in the thing that keeps I think people from [TS]

  using it as much as they want to is is the load times on the videos and I think [TS]

  probably Instagram house I'm just assuming a little bit more capacity but [TS]

  I I don't know I guess you know one thing find us it's pretty clever is that [TS]

  day auto upload in the background as your recordings they don't let you go [TS]

  back right so you start like if you want to have like 33 shots in your mind you [TS]

  you hold down for the one and he let go it starts uploading that video [TS]

  immediately [TS]

  yeah I think so cuz its if you ever try to play with it you never have to wait [TS]

  for it to upload I think they're doing some tricks and then even if you cancel [TS]

  then they just send a link to the server and say I thought that way right but I [TS]

  say they don't sponsors show what else would I S seven [TS]

  he played around with radio yes I have I think it's one of the most polished [TS]

  parts of it i think it's great it feels like a finished it's one of the few [TS]

  things that to me just feels like you don't have to touch it ship it at this [TS]

  is great the whole music app is really pretty well done but radio really seems [TS]

  done to me what you think I'm just playing around with it for the first [TS]

  time actually it's really nice man I just cost us like 15 Grandin music [TS]

  licensing could tell you what it was when I tapped to load a song there was [TS]

  the gave me the status circled the loading circle which is new in that [TS]

  that's across all apps yeah so there's no longer that the dotted line circle [TS]

  yeah I don't think so I think it's it's it's a circle yeah it's it's a little [TS]

  bit more like a watch thing going I feel like every every decision they make the [TS]

  only choice is to be like Bill Murray's character in Royal Tenenbaums when he [TS]

  studying kid who's like very much mentally handicapped in if the kid does [TS]

  something weird and wrong he just goes fascinating and I feel like I keep [TS]

  reacting to this over and over again here's an interesting repercussion of [TS]

  the white background everywhere and the music app which i think is right I [TS]

  really do think is one of the most polished of all these new apps but the [TS]

  music app shows this so any old OS if you had a toolbar at the bottom of your [TS]

  app lets say like mail it would by default have this sort of pale blue [TS]

  gradient background [TS]

  and the buttons were actions so you would hit the reply button and you [TS]

  replying to the message you're looking at something was going to happen and if [TS]

  you had a tab controller at the bottom it was black with you know [TS]

  color screen and and any ideas when you hit these things you weren't doing [TS]

  something you were changing the view it to tap controller whereas in an hour and [TS]

  iOS 7 everything has a white background and so like in the music app but it is [TS]

  still a tab controller at the bottom which it's always been in which makes [TS]

  designed sense but it has the same appearance as the action bar in and [TS]

  other apps true and again I think they're just assuming the users know by [TS]

  now I that's a big assumption I think that they may be right but I think it's [TS]

  it's like a serious change the other thing too is that the icons in this apt [TS]

  to mir much better [TS]

  these are great icons like the radio icon I think it's great and I think it [TS]

  looks like Helvetica like little knowledge of the type of the antenna [TS]

  yeah I do too as it gets a perfect example of gretna first design it's not [TS]

  that the icons warned ratified you know starting three years ago when the iPhone [TS]

  4 came out but they were like ratified versions of the nine icons whereas these [TS]

  are red Nikon stars like this tiny little I mean you really have to like [TS]

  hold the phone close to my eyes to see it but there's like that little not mean [TS]

  tenants great I love their records dexedrine the radio yeah I do to it and [TS]

  the parallax yeah yeah it's subtle way less in-your-face than the old Cover [TS]

  Flow but its way nicer because it's not in your face it's not like showing off [TS]

  lightly this it's you know it's cover flow but it's just a little bit of a [TS]

  depth cue yeah and it and it also gives you a [TS]

  a left-to-right cue as to where you are in the order and then the only thing [TS]

  that is still cover flow like is this is the Safari type switching yes which I [TS]

  like and you realize why I know they switch fart apps which includes the old [TS]

  Safari switching is now the multitasking go right beside aside from now [TS]

  big almost four screen to scroll through left to right it saw there were using [TS]

  that metaphor that card metaphor side to side for apps than they needed something [TS]

  new for taps right and then yeah i do remember you talking about this and that [TS]

  they can get so many more of them on ones which is a good thing as you can [TS]

  have more than eight times which is always driving me crazy in the old [TS]

  Safari yeah and the other thing that this affords is a much nicer interface [TS]

  to iCloud tabs which I use is a great feature because I'm its consulate think [TS]

  lake I'll have you know some article by somebody open and mostly red but if I go [TS]

  to bed and wake up the next morning I cannot remember which device I read it [TS]

  on a dyno its open somewhere but I don't remember where it's really cool it's one [TS]

  of those examples of iCloud working like it should display like you know many [TS]

  complaints on Safari on my Mac there's a nice cloud button right in my toolbar [TS]

  click and it shows all the tabs open on all my devices in on the iPad there's [TS]

  the same thing but the iPhone never had that button because it didn't have room [TS]

  for it I understand that in every room but what they might use to make you do [TS]

  is going to your bookmarks leave whatever folder you were in [TS]

  in switch to iCloud tabs folder to get to your iCloud tabs and then that also [TS]

  meant that when you wanted to go to your regular bookmarks for your iPhone you [TS]

  have to do it all over again [TS]

  yeah where is this you just go to your tabs and it shows your tags that are [TS]

  open on the phone and then scroll down a little bit further and it just shows you [TS]

  all the tabs open as a list on all of your devices [TS]

  yeah I'm a big guy clubs we're getting there you know I mean I like I club for [TS]

  the stuff that it does well it's the third parties and stuff that it still [TS]

  doesn't work well with but for the built-in Apple stuff is really starting [TS]

  to work well I can't remember the last time and it may be years well over a [TS]

  year two years that I've had a problem with something like contact syncing [TS]

  right now that I've entered the contact persons phone number but it hasn't [TS]

  synced across all my devices like and to me that I'll never not be magical [TS]

  the fact that I can enter any contacts in my Mac instantaneously show on the [TS]

  iPhone because we we know what it's like to have to say pilot here [TS]

  mcintosh like that sort of thing you do once a year like this it paid your taxes [TS]

  I get better soon he said the same thing within to Newton [TS]

  command center that was just horrible Mac App [TS]

  some but not all of your information between the devices [TS]

  new Safari with more than eight times as great as always beat me and I'm sure if [TS]

  you're complaining that they would get 28 and get that you were at and then [TS]

  click a link like an email and it would go over and just erase I don't remember [TS]

  what it was [TS]

  well it's the only one with the back button right [TS]

  well it's the only one with the back button right [TS]

  over David always know I don't think they gave you a back button when they [TS]

  did that no way do they think that's how you would know which tower was got over [TS]

  it and then you have to make a choice I used to just throw my phone against the [TS]

  wall that's how you get more than eight tenths of a weird thing when you want to [TS]

  throw at you can only slide it to the one side you have to slide it to the [TS]

  left [TS]

  like I'm not quite sure why can't you slide it both ways I was there were you [TS]

  do have been tapping little access you can just toss it over to the side too [TS]

  close to good I think there's a lot of discoverable stuff like that i mean it's [TS]

  like them it's kinda like the Mac in that way that there are a lot of tips [TS]

  and tricks they are still going left gestures that are left to be discovered [TS]

  well and he was gonna be a long summer how do I think there's gonna be a lot of [TS]

  baby I think I think we're going to see a lot of pages of this thing I think [TS]

  this is the earliest we've ever seen something like this from Apple maybe [TS]

  except for the original public betas of Mac OS 10 back in like that like two [TS]

  thousand or so yeah and I still think I think what we're seeing a sort of like [TS]

  that version of it you know the one where there is the Apple logo in the [TS]

  middle of the menu bar I think that's what that's what this is for the iPhone [TS]

  except that instead of you know having like two years to sort of polish it up [TS]

  they've got about three months but you did a whole episode on the Apple logo [TS]

  being center of the menu bar him 2010 you if I would have had a show I [TS]

  would've sure thing in the world is gonna end [TS]

  I was younger people I just set up a new we got it we got a MacBook Air for our [TS]

  in-house production area he's always been a Windows user and it still beats [TS]

  me as you just as you just said that the menu bar comes translucent by default [TS]

  that Tressel drives me nuts [TS]

  yeah but they do that to people I don't know it is weird eh I find it weird to [TS]

  set up I still find it really hard to set up a new Mac yeah that's the stuff [TS]

  you have to do like throwaway sound effects [TS]

  yeah well you throw a sound effects oh absolutely 100 I cuz they drive me [TS]

  bonkers like the two call when you throw something away or the crumbling [TS]

  crumbling up of trash we have to do is yet to go into court audio services just [TS]

  to get to those files it's it's it's really not something you have to show [TS]

  package contents but I do it like just a virtually every time I set up a new Mac [TS]

  there's no preference for that there is a preference for 500 I hope there is and [TS]

  I've just been spending like wasted [TS]

  contest we got everybody out there helped him figure this out I would so he [TS]

  knows command line all over the is it weird that a weird thing you know shows [TS]

  should be almost over but is it weird that the Mac has sound effects for stuff [TS]

  like that but i OS doesn't seem like if any of them would have cutie sound [TS]

  effects of bis well no I mean I just set up a new new seven install and forcing [TS]

  editor was disabled keyboard clicks and lock sounds like my keyboard clicks [TS]