The Talk Show

56: OS X El Camino

 

  I don't feel like there's a lot going on you should there's a lot going on so you [TS]

  know what's running before you texted me yesterday added to to get on this this [TS]

  just shows how was thinking where is the talk show episode for this week [TS]

  turns out I met exactly but if you let down from me but I must be thinking [TS]

  where the housing new show and then you find out your own show [TS]

  yeah exactly do you like it but yeah but I like it like I said I was a kid I [TS]

  didn't think we had him to talk about and then when I thought about it and a [TS]

  lot has happened so a lot has happened it's good that means you have an agenda [TS]

  ya go to last year I have a few things I have a lot you know it's a classic slow [TS]

  sad news period but I mean look at this link the new phones came out I was seven [TS]

  came out Mavericks NGM [TS]

  second enders who's to use passing [TS]

  apple vodka you think Microsoft had some crazy shit going down into video games [TS]

  and actually thought about what happened this week there's been a lot [TS]

  yeah there's a lot of the sound like a lot but there's not a lot of talk about [TS]

  with a lot of that you know like with the panic in video games thing sounds [TS]

  cool it really does it say they're they're sort of investing in little [TS]

  video games start up with some really cool names attached but but you know but [TS]

  you know what the cool part of that is going to be when actual games come out [TS]

  not just the announcement and events it is what it is he got covered on polygon [TS]

  interview with it cable and the guys there yeah [TS]

  school districts adding something to upset about this week I was about [TS]

  anything that might be the problem the problem might be that nothing made me [TS]

  angry [TS]

  yeah pretty straightforward I think the 64 bit thing I like a marketing gimmick [TS]

  yeah I think that's still interesting I feel like there's like this there's [TS]

  there's still a contingent of love and it's funny because I feel like the [TS]

  people who heard the most skeptical about it are somewhat technically [TS]

  informed but there there is a subset of technically informed nerds who also the [TS]

  Venn diagram is don't like Apple or don't trust outboard don't think Apple [TS]

  stuff is technically cutting edge and that at the intersection of them as [TS]

  people who think that the 64 bit the movies 64 bit is like maybe even almost [TS]

  a scam to work with my cash writer or did you not overlap you guys did [TS]

  overlapping you guys we worked to get a little bit when I was working and and he [TS]

  really really did however right up his blog piece unsorted was a 64 bit and you [TS]

  just got a layman's overview and informed layman's overview of what the [TS]

  actual advantages of 64 bit and I've emailed that to some people who like [TS]

  getting my email is often should sell access to my email but I you know it's [TS]

  not as vitriolic as as comments would be but it's you know it's it's acerbic from [TS]

  the people who don't don't like the stuff that I write you know you know but [TS]

  you know I'm friends with Mike and [TS]

  he got email there was basically arguing with you which is directed at him [TS]

  telling him he's his blog posts to technical and I don't know if you know [TS]

  he does not take that kind of shared a little momentum of you that he does not [TS]

  suffer fools exactly that I couldn't think of a better way to describe you [TS]

  should have seen what it is but yet a very very small piece that explains [TS]

  exactly what the benefits and pros and cons and are not just affect the chip is [TS]

  sixty-four beard but this software changes to the runtime that it be made [TS]

  to take advantage of it right and that's where he really covered well that's what [TS]

  I really I have to say going and it wasn't I kind of knew vaguely the stuff [TS]

  that there was a lot better but that really that's the heart of it and I [TS]

  think maybe in basic terms in general if just platform just call it a platform is [TS]

  32 bit computing platform and then you move it to 64 bit in general that [TS]

  doesn't necessarily mean anything gets faster it might even get so yeah you can [TS]

  tell anything just by doubling everything doesn't doesn't know right [TS]

  it's it's almost like like the canonical logical argument that ok there's a [TS]

  hundred hundred bills of money in a bag and one guy takes 10 of them and get an [TS]

  idea who got more money [TS]

  yes you can answer because you don't know the value of the denominations that [TS]

  the guy who took the 10 bills might have taken all hundreds and the other guy was [TS]

  left with $91 bills you know it's it's it's very productive to just be like [TS]

  well this one's got 32 bit or 64 bits go twice as good just doesn't work like [TS]

  that all right you have to know the specifics but in the specifics of this [TS]

  move of iOS and they seven armed going from 32 to 64 it actually is a lot of [TS]

  very practical advantages yes both in the chip in the there's sort of you find [TS]

  the ISO which is the instruction said did you know the assembly that is [TS]

  generated as you see good less is good ways of doing stuff and it's sort of [TS]

  like Kraft the can accumulate and going to disarm 64 I said it does away with a [TS]

  lot of the craft and so the hitting reset but yeah and they take advantage [TS]

  of that often when Apple Genius architectures Creek the objective on [TS]

  time because it is the Briton binary compatibility anyway so since binary [TS]

  compatibility is going to be booked in they take that opportunity to do fancy [TS]

  stuff the projected time that the kind of unable to do up until that point in [TS]

  the case of the m60 for the deal with them because this pointers 64 bit and [TS]

  they don't need all those bids to accurately represent what's in memory [TS]

  they can do some fancy tricks like having [TS]

  pointers which means it let's say you've got a number you don't actually need it [TS]

  to point to a number you can sort of encoded in line in in what is [TS]

  essentially appointed [TS]

  defacto it is sort of an in-line memory object that seems like one of the bigger [TS]

  ones they came away with is the fact that they don't need all 64 bits in a 64 [TS]

  bit pointer for the printer itself use those extra bits very judiciously to [TS]

  stash some information about the object itself or the pointer big win [TS]

  here's the one thing somebody sent me somebody and I can't say who it was a [TS]

  friend that Apple but in my gashes piece he wrote in short the approved the [TS]

  improvements to Apple's runtime make it so that object allocation and 64 bit [TS]

  mode costs only forty to fifty percent of what it doesn't 32 bit mode if your [TS]

  app creates and destroys a lot of objects that's a big deal and what my [TS]

  friend Alfa Romeo where they just quoted that part the city if your app creates [TS]

  and destroys a lot of objects he said that every so maybe if you're writing [TS]

  let's say a game where the game is only very thin layer of cocoa and it's [TS]

  everything else inside is all custom C or C++ or something like that it may not [TS]

  be as big a deal but there might be other graphics headlines but like for an [TS]

  app that actually doing a lot of standard iOS Coco stuff it's a huge win [TS]

  because object everything's an object yeah that's exactly the case if you [TS]

  braiding Coco you are allocating objects left right and center especially now [TS]

  that it's been made even easier like they hear your ideas but recently couple [TS]

  years ago they added [TS]

  Objective C language so you could you could you could add sign and then a [TS]

  number and I would allocate I can annus number which is a class which represents [TS]

  a number in the old days that would actually have to be like an actual [TS]

  allocation to allocate a small object and now these days with the way that [TS]

  they've rejected the user take pointers and everything that's it's effectively [TS]

  for free so there's a lot of really good wins in a lot of small places that you [TS]

  wouldn't expect but did you know they really do it right I think and so I [TS]

  think one way to look at it is that for most iOS developers the ones that are [TS]

  let's say most non game developers and I think it almost makes sense to separate [TS]

  them because even if you look at the Tech Talks right which are going around [TS]

  the country they've broken up into two now where there's the games one and then [TS]

  everybody else one yeah and I think one way to look at that is are you writing [TS]

  mostly cocoa and Objective C code or you mostly writing sort of cross-platform [TS]

  graphics code for the games for the cocoa people iOS and Mac OS 10 to [TS]

  especially as the years have gone by and and carbon assorted been put out to [TS]

  pasture and even absurd officially are technically carbon absurd really now [TS]

  mostly Coco internally because you know they can do that [TS]

  that the the operating system is more than just what you think of as an [TS]

  operating system it's it's the operating system plus that that Coco runtime on [TS]

  top of it yet and that's where a lot of these you know not all but a lot of this [TS]

  the advantages to going 64 bit and I was 7 really take effect [TS]

  I'm one of those guys who would do 64 bit build because it's not that [TS]

  complicated anyway given the you've been very encouraging you know he doing ok [TS]

  I'm sure didn't spend a lot of time getting this proved to be 64 know even [TS]

  said on his blog I mean literally just a couple minutes he had a couple of [TS]

  buddies it was but it was a couple of things in them is easy to search and [TS]

  replace for throughout the whole so for me personally I wouldn't necessarily [TS]

  need to take a long time evaluating the benefits and would just do it because [TS]

  it's not that big a deal and it they're typically telegraphing with it went to [TS]

  go and that's what brand marlys of behind the scenes was that he'd really [TS]

  does if anybody has a hard time goings has no sympathy for him because Apple [TS]

  may not have actually said they were gonna go 64 bit on iOS iOS soon but he [TS]

  would you know brent perspective was anybody even if you weren't a Mac [TS]

  Developer all even if you're relatively you know if you your introduction that [TS]

  Apple development is iOS you should at least have had the common sense to know [TS]

  that you know iOS trails Mac OS 10 by a couple of years in terms of cards yet [TS]

  some regards and one of them would be 64 bit frankly this is a particularly when [TS]

  I would've guessed I would guess next year [TS]

  yeah yeah like a higher and iPad you know maybe not the media I think I [TS]

  mention this on the show couple weeks ago after the event but I was at the [TS]

  event when I was in the audience I was two seats over from a 909 attack and [TS]

  when they announce the 64 bit thing there are a couple people before the [TS]

  show everybody you know we all just sit around waiting for them to let him [TS]

  everybody starts taking guesses what what might be a surprise and couple [TS]

  people did say that but it was sort of like a [TS]

  just should check but when they announce that I looked over at him on and he [TS]

  seemed like surprised he was and I was like ok and there must be a surprise you [TS]

  know and I i asked him after he said yeah I woulda thought I would have [TS]

  thought that was a 2414 thing yeah I was really can before the event you know [TS]

  there was a couple of 64 bit rumors but there's always liked you know that new [TS]

  mini yes there's there's always a I told him he had something running on 64 bit [TS]

  I'm sheds whether or not that actually product is a totally different question [TS]

  you know and figuring out what the product is actually going to be that see [TS]

  if rumors is a totally different game I'm glad they did this thing looks it [TS]

  governor debate weeks are crazy [TS]

  very very pretty just [TS]

  accessing large amount to memories know what the point of this ship is right and [TS]

  one thing that I've heard it's a one on one PC speculation that's become quick [TS]

  comment is did if they do an Apple TV to compete with his next generation of [TS]

  consoles it'll be built on this which i think is pretty obvious you know they're [TS]

  not going to ship something that's not on this picture [TS]

  yeah I would definitely think that that's the case I mean I whether thats [TS]

  gonna happen this year I would think no I would just think common sense says [TS]

  know that the chip is probably too expensive to put in a $99 Apple TV and [TS]

  it's probably too too too hard to make right now they'd rather you know what [TS]

  why waste time in the $99 Apple TV when there are still three four weeks behind [TS]

  shipping the fight I tend to agree [TS]

  the other thing is is that whatever the Apple TV console de slashed living room [TS]

  thing is going to be the next generation of consoles from Sony and Microsoft [TS]

  coming out with eight gigs of ram and is no way you can put it into a $99 right [TS]

  well maybe they would I mean they're already there for example I mean they're [TS]

  definitely behind in RAM compared to you know cutting-edge Android devices I mean [TS]

  I think if I Vestal as one gigabyte around and I think like the most of the [TS]

  top tier and red concept to pics yet I'll come back to that in bed but I [TS]

  agree I don't think that they would try to compete in terms of raw performance [TS]

  and I think a lot of these articles are you looking at this this new i7 chip in [TS]

  being really excited about its capabilities and China projected into an [TS]

  Apple TV are really seeing it as did [TS]

  I don't think they're appreciating how hard it would be to get that kind of [TS]

  power in the kind of price point Apple TV sales but maybe next year maybe next [TS]

  year [TS]

  yeah exactly so with regards to the Android have any more RAM I think a [TS]

  bunch of that has to do it the more RAM you have them repaired and we talked [TS]

  about this [TS]

  offline before I think maybe this on the show I don't know but if you got like [TS]

  two gigs of ram you need to power there and I think so just wait till I don't [TS]

  empower you know one gigabit and only power the second gate when using I've [TS]

  never heard of anything like that [TS]

  haven't heard that you have to do some crazy swapping stuff in order to get [TS]

  that working out enough never heard of that be the way the more RAM you packing [TS]

  you mean the more chances you see packing device the more power you did a [TS]

  great part of the chain oh well and I still think and i know i've i've sort of [TS]

  banging this drum for years but I still think it's very telling that I know that [TS]

  we can't even talk on this later in the show that's one of my ideas reagan maybe [TS]

  is next year would go with a bigger screen iPhone at least as an option and [TS]

  I know that way more breath is spent wondering why Apple hasn't already gone [TS]

  to a bigger screen and will they go to a bigger screen soon whereas I feel like [TS]

  the thing that doesn't get attention is how come if the current iPhone with a [TS]

  relatively smaller screen and smaller form factor is the single most [TS]

  profitable device in the industry which nobody denies it is the single best [TS]

  selling phone in the industry wide why still don't any of the other you know [TS]

  like Samsung or somebody like that come out with a top tier SPECT phone of that [TS]

  size and I can't help but wonder is that they can't that they don't you know that [TS]

  there [TS]

  the power consumption that they're going through to get the performance that they [TS]

  have that they need a bigger battery and that's why they have one of the reasons [TS]

  why they only had attended you that I think that if they did naked device the [TS]

  same sort of size and form factor then it would be found wanting in battery [TS]

  life the screen would be shittier fast maybe they couldn't call it as well [TS]

  whatever you know I think if they went to tell in the exact same sort of form [TS]

  factor they're just not as good IT hardware Apple you know maybe Nokia yeah [TS]

  and Nokia's the only one who's done it I guess you know although I think it's [TS]

  questionable I feel like you know you could argue that the Lumia is that are [TS]

  the highest regarded and have the best performance are the bigger screen ones [TS]

  but some of the first ones were in a relatively speaking about iPhones and I [TS]

  don't think it's any surprise in Tokyo was the only other company to do it [TS]

  yeah I don't either but they felt they just haven't seen one of the bigger [TS]

  screen one but yeah I totally expect Apple screen next year if only because [TS]

  they think now they're getting it today remember the first few years [TS]

  iPod we're just be after iPod and they just getting bigger more features and [TS]

  then they started diversifying the line I think we're at the point and I for now [TS]

  we were gonna start diversifying having a large screen one effectively iPhone [TS]

  pro which is you know you go to your game and then did you know the disorder [TS]

  more consumers from five see I always forget whether spoke about on the show [TS]

  it's not in the show so if I'd said the Sun maybe I said this on the show last [TS]

  week with months but I still think it's a good question [TS]

  alright clearly there's some demand for a bigger screen i've but I feel there's [TS]

  two entirely different groups who want a bigger screen iPhone one is relatively [TS]

  younger people who have good eyes and want to pack more pixels on the screen [TS]

  so they can fit let's just say if they're reading [TS]

  they can fit more words on the screen at one time the other group is in general [TS]

  relatively older people who have were size who want the same amount of tax but [TS]

  they just wanted twenty percent bigger so that the same data text is different [TS]

  and and how would you implement that one group I think you would want like you [TS]

  know way more pixels per inch they wanted a higher density screen the other [TS]

  group would want what's effectively like the residue [TS]

  264 pixels per inch of the current right now [TS]

  iPad and just cut five-inch iPhone screen out of that same display but I [TS]

  don't see how you make both of those groups happy well so one argument effort [TS]

  for me to remember where I got this from somebody pretty smart but if you get [TS]

  where you want to be attributed in a lot of the world [TS]

  you get to pick one computing device and phones [TS]

  kemal and tablets too big and so you can get a phone like a sort of a mid-range [TS]

  so to screen you can accomplish sort of like to have a DES like I had many sort [TS]

  of stuff on on her phone on something that you can carry in your pocket you [TS]

  know me like it's it's clearly compromised down the line but it but it [TS]

  works if you wanna go one kind of device yeah I think you'd probably want but I [TS]

  don't think that that market is necessarily sensitive to that it's more [TS]

  sensitive to lick well this device would have a sweet spot for you know certain [TS]

  markets I think that some of the note for example is it really is almost silly [TS]

  devices use it doesn't but I feel like maybe it's there's a practical advantage [TS]

  to only carrying one device not you know the guy I think that's too big but I [TS]

  think it does sort of its popular right now while its popular enough and I was [TS]

  able to actually where I was I wrote about this last year was a year ago but [TS]

  it was when I was switching from AT&T or Verizon before the iPhone 5 came out I [TS]

  wanted to get my account switched before the phone came out to suit all be in [TS]

  order so I had to go into a Verizon store and it wasn't there I was a couple [TS]

  that the week before the iPhone came out wasn't by the thought it was too [TS]

  to ask a guy to Verizon story if this is what I'm going to do is it is it gonna [TS]

  go off without a hitch and while I was in the Verizon store it was [TS]

  you know I would say she's probably colleges but role you know real short [TS]

  very short woman was in there you know why you say she was just just just left [TS]

  his college age and then but I think the fact that she was small emphasize she [TS]

  was there looking for [TS]

  got it phone and she and her boyfriend was with you sure you don't wanna knife [TS]

  and she was like right out of a commercial for Sampson she was a no I [TS]

  want you know I don't have a tablet and I wanna do a lot of reading on it so she [TS]

  was gonna buy the Galaxy s3 or whatever the current year ago and then she even [TS]

  said she was obviously well-informed too because then she said I you know I think [TS]

  she and she said can I was even thinking about the note and I think Verizon [TS]

  didn't sell the note and so that was the only if Verizon had sold the Galaxy Note [TS]

  which was even bigger should have bought that she wanted to stay in Verizon so [TS]

  she just wanted the exactly what you mean this is you know I was just there [TS]

  overhearing exactly that she didn't own a tablet didn't want to buy a separate [TS]

  tablet just wanted one thing and I've heard from a lot of people that actually [TS]

  like a big part of the overall sales of these five inches bigger screens are two [TS]

  women in asia and you know who are you know just you know demographically [TS]

  physically smaller and certainly their hands are smaller but they like it [TS]

  because they only have one device to carry and they don't have to worry about [TS]

  putting in a pocket because they have a person with them at all times and they [TS]

  just put it in your purse so it doesn't matter if it doesn't fit in a pocket [TS]

  so would be stupid for your iPad to make calls it is it always is to stick it up [TS]

  your face but it comes with us here but with a talking well any other thing too [TS]

  is you know you don't have to get me anywhere you know that's even vaguely [TS]

  touristy you you don't have to go far before you see someone with the full [TS]

  screen iPod or iPad taking photos with it so if they're going to hold it up and [TS]

  take photos and then why not hold it up and make phone calls I don't mean it is [TS]

  kind of stupid but it's stupid but I mean it's stupid not to do that i mean [TS]

  it does FaceTime FaceTime I think that the thing with using iPads as cameras I [TS]

  see so many people doing it that it's it's like the the repetition of it is is [TS]

  eroding the comedy so many people are doing it that it you can't make fun of [TS]

  it anymore because everybody's doing it was like when the kids wear the pants [TS]

  that their ass showing yeah I clicked the sagging jeans after five or six [TS]

  years of that you just can't get bored of thinking it's stupid it's just the [TS]

  way things are and I'll tell you where I see I'm in any kind of kids event you [TS]

  know little league game [TS]

  school players who might that I mean it's unbelievable how many parents have [TS]

  the iPod iPad in front of their face the whole time just holding it up videoing [TS]

  holding cash that's that's we went good I guess I don't know but I thinks [TS]

  there's something about it they don't i mean maybe they know that they look [TS]

  stupid but they don't care what they have a maybe maybe when you record you [TS]

  did you just did not give it would anybody thinks it's a good one it I want [TS]

  to capture this may be the x-factor on that too is especially for like video in [TS]

  something like that so the argument against using your phone to do it is [TS]

  like the Louie CK argument right but is more or less [TS]

  how about you just put your fucking phone in your pocket and enjoy this [TS]

  moment for real for once you know they hear these kids up on stage singing her [TS]

  heart out being embarrassed and nervous in front of all these people how about [TS]

  you just be in the moment and just enjoy it and remember it I like we going with [TS]

  his cuz you about to say that with the iPad it's a larger screens exactly right [TS]

  it's not so much that you're watching it on a little two or three inch screen [TS]

  missing you're watching it on its own ice cream still which is not the same as [TS]

  watching it for real but it's almost like in terms of your field of vision it [TS]

  is you know relatively comfortable it's interesting I think Louie CK would still [TS]

  have plenty of fish yeah definitely we have but it might explain why people do [TS]

  that so yeah but I so I do think that Apple do I think it's inevitable yeah I [TS]

  think so I think and I think may be the way to go is to put more pixels in it [TS]

  but maybe have some kind of way into settings to you know within a day in [TS]

  that direction that they're going with the the dynamic to say I you know [TS]

  alright I got this bigger phone and as all these pictures I want to text bigger [TS]

  and then when you adjusted and settings once that hopefully systemwide not just [TS]

  in Apple's apps button third party apps will take that Q and make stuff bigger [TS]

  rather than pack more on the screen they mean they can defaulted by device is [TS]

  nothing saying that every day to deal with SSL the same default device should [TS]

  you got a device with a wacky resolution you could just type right it could even [TS]

  be the default is bigger tax and that the the younger nerdier people who want [TS]

  to pack more on screen would have to set lower expect other people to set a [TS]

  higher ok I honestly expected the IP [TS]

  enemies r-iowa 72 have different default type settings I did to the president [TS]

  yeah well I mean that I was seven on that but not quite fully baked yet [TS]

  yeah I think I mention this to I think I actually think they even got worse with [TS]

  the gym I because I was running the bases on iPad and the iPhone over summer [TS]

  and I feel like it got worse with the iPad with the gym I'm still some really [TS]

  kind of surprise announced today that they released it at the same time I [TS]

  really thought maybe they would do like 7.0 would be iphoneonly and we have to [TS]

  wait an extra month for 7.1 and then it would support ya Kos what people want to [TS]

  start like when they had just like the iPad only build yeah I mean I don't [TS]

  think it was a disaster for them and it doesn't seem like it's been a disaster [TS]

  but it is clearly still i mean you know that the WWC right it's just always [TS]

  seemed like it was tracking three weeks through four weeks behind the iPhone [TS]

  version and it still did even when they released the GAO [TS]

  yeah I don't know one thing I've seen over and over again is it you know i i [TS]

  relied on my email on the iPad just catch up on email the end of the day and [TS]

  a lot of my email is you know people send me links at Apple Inc and Apple Inc [TS]

  and usually shoot over to Safari and you read loading you read it but every once [TS]

  in awhile at Apple Inc and I just get like a white screen just wait and it's [TS]

  you know I'm guessing that it's like flushing memory or something like that [TS]

  but it takes a long time 56 seconds and even when it's not happening I can't if [TS]

  I click the home button nothing happens it's his locks up for 56 seconds and [TS]

  then support comes in it's all back to normal but that's very unusual get two [TS]

  days that you click yeah ok so you do eventually get yeah but it's just a very [TS]

  unusual for iOS wait I mean I think it's more or less [TS]

  the the iOS equivalent of Pakistan's rainbow cursor right they just don't [TS]

  show you the rainbow never been killing me it is I were 73 has internet taps [TS]

  thing which just means that I now have infinite number of tabs set up you know [TS]

  somebody told me I had it I said that but somebody told me that there is no [TS]

  limit I think it's like 32 I'm I guess what and don't actually have an infinite [TS]

  but it got way more than like a deal on my Mac and are complaining I felt but it [TS]

  is kinda funny like they used to be pretty disciplined about like it opened [TS]

  something and it had read it within a day now I've got a to Micro yeah hoping [TS]

  that next few weeks ago and she probably didn't write like on the one hand it [TS]

  really sucked when you had all eight tabs lots filled up and you opened the [TS]

  ninth and it would overwrite the oldest or whatever it used to figure out which [TS]

  one would overwrite it would overwrite one of them and if you don't remember [TS]

  what it was you have this nagging feeling about there was something [TS]

  important I had an attack I'm lost it but in a weird way it's it's almost like [TS]

  disciplinarian like every major like to read it and closed it or book market but [TS]

  either way do something with it and get out here and whereas now yeah sorta like [TS]

  you I'm surprised I haven't had the 32 limit yeah me too I actually really an [TS]

  express I do like the fact that they show you all the tabs open only other [TS]

  machines that's awesome yeah I think that's great I think that's one of those [TS]

  little quiet places where for me at least iCloud is working great [TS]

  yes 2010 I should follow it on this but if I engage do not disturb and this is [TS]

  only for people like us who are two stories like stacks and he seems like [TS]

  around but if I put do not disturb on one phone I just want that to put all my [TS]

  devices [TS]

  I got a bad I do not disturb and then get an email and it's got to turn it off [TS]

  in like 30 2012 happen to have an extra terminal just keeping it yes to being a [TS]

  device setting it should be a service said yeah like Cloud accounts like any [TS]

  any machine that has the Maya my iCloud account should also shut up until yeah [TS]

  yeah I could see that gave Golden bit of course looping back to the arm 64 [TS]

  besides the Apple TV console fantasy stuff a lot of people started talking [TS]

  about sticking this chip inside a Mac yeah I did too I should I get done like [TS]

  publicly I just said today that it was announced as I can't help but think you [TS]

  know this procedure you know I don't think you're doing my laundry shocked if [TS]

  it's not running in the labs right I would definitely think so there's no way [TS]

  it's not otherwise you just crazy weird weird weird everybody is trying to do [TS]

  something in for a couple reasons you know i i think for one thing once Mac OS [TS]

  10 moved to 64 bit on on Intel couple years ago [TS]

  clearly any future transition to another platform was also gonna have to be 64 [TS]

  you can't go back to 32 bit [TS]

  but I think for other real good but I don't think it would be weird right i [TS]

  mean they're good at spotting marketing stuff at times I don't think I just [TS]

  don't think that but I think for a couple of other reasons too though like [TS]

  when they describe the new arm [TS]

  64 instruction said and the whole day 7 as a whole is being a desktop class [TS]

  architecture they punch that word times they also punched oh here's one thing [TS]

  for the A six did they were describing inside 25 °c like it if they kept [TS]

  punching console Evan gaming so level graphics and then the a seven was even [TS]

  better [TS]

  explode away and just waited a pic words randomly like when they say desktop [TS]

  class CPU they they want to evoke exactly that sort of thought they want [TS]

  to revoke the conspiracy conspiracy theories of the next MacBook Air is [TS]

  gonna because it's just a powerful well and i also think too that way especially [TS]

  with the MacBook Air MacBook Air and this is one of those areas to wear where [TS]

  you know the iPhone has clearly gone this route now where there's two new [TS]

  devices one of them is about having cutting-edge specs and being like [TS]

  high-end you know very you know the most expensive phone on the market and the [TS]

  other one is about being still great but more about other things right with the [TS]

  MacBook has been like that all along they've always been tears and the [TS]

  MacBook Pro is you know has the Retina screen now you know obviously has as [TS]

  much higher performance than the air the air is always about being lightweight [TS]

  really thin [TS]

  battery life ditch the optical drive early right as his team was auctioning [TS]

  the very first ones I think it was always a sissy I don't think they've [TS]

  ever had a movie a was you can get a spinning hard and it was placed right [TS]

  but it was like what was the point because exactly performance was bad and [TS]

  everything ya know you're right so I feel like they could do that they [TS]

  couldn't theory I think put an arm 64 chip in a MacBook Air and even if [TS]

  performance takes a hit on certain benchmarks if battery life doubles again [TS]

  and they could say you know here now if we have a Mac with 21 hours of battery [TS]

  life that's a win because of your concern is the performance you're buying [TS]

  a MacBook Pro anyway yeah I yes it's so I'm speaking at Coco confident the end [TS]

  of the month in my target actually all about power management and I don't know [TS]

  I think people have been chasing this current track analogy way too much juice [TS]

  I mean its debt that that was what Steve Jobs explanation is Iowa's devices in [TS]

  this the Mac and will always have the Mac is the magazine trapped in the iOS [TS]

  devices around and everybody just needs a car to get around that was circuit [TS]

  2010 which is at the deed whatever All Things D conference about three months [TS]

  after the original iPad came out yes [TS]

  and people keep trying this out over and over and over and I i mean less again [TS]

  but everybody knows he just so you know I think there was a metaphor to describe [TS]

  the situation at the time I don't think that is anything set in stone it's not [TS]

  an immutable fact the way to computers work I think then rather than just [TS]

  seeing cars and trucks I think we're going to end up seeing a continuum of [TS]

  performance versus power consumption and you know and you can't even look at it [TS]

  you can take you know if you want to you could look at it and say there's all [TS]

  sorts of different trucks to there's everything you know [TS]

  yeah you get UFC 150 right now we've got one of the giant which is to make [TS]

  through versus you know my kid lit legitimate Metro that'll be out in about [TS]

  a month ago nothing versus a macbook pro vs MacBook Air Force's an iPad programs [TS]

  iPad with a bunch of extra money [TS]

  storage all the way down to look a little watching something right or [TS]

  you've got something like a member the El Camino Ave El Camino up in canada [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah you know what I want but I wanted to evoke I gotta say is that is [TS]

  the Microsoft Surface a demotion [TS]

  no compromises no compromises to cards truck it's not even just a current [TS]

  attract its sporty car it's a muscle car and that's the problem with it is [TS]

  combined Vegas sports karadzic but it appeals to ascertain like you can say [TS]

  look a Subaru it's kind of a similar sort of hybrid and super 8 for Subaru [TS]

  had one like that I forget what it was all better fuel Subaru welcome you know [TS]

  they had a car that was like a suit like [TS]

  Kamina Daddy super the BRAC look at this [TS]

  you gotta go to the Super have you seen you look at this link [TS]

  yeah I remember hanging out with you got his Subaru Brat and pratt was an acronym [TS]

  for by Dr recreational altering holy crack that is saying you don't want you [TS]

  will see about the draft though is that they didn't go the sports coat job [TS]

  tracking do it it the superb read I think looks like like something that a [TS]

  couple of really clever high school kids yes taking auto shop [TS]

  could could do to a Subaru station wagon yes like they would get hired [TS]

  immediately into [TS]

  designing automobiles yeah right out of high school and then they would be [TS]

  embarrassing yeah but it is at this ones you know seems a little bit more [TS]

  practical but anyway it's like you said there is a continuum even between cars [TS]

  and trucks yeah I think they're holding anything that Steve said to preciously [TS]

  is a mistake just in general I don't think he held anything he said so I [TS]

  don't know why everybody else [TS]

  well i i think just take a look I think that he only meant that metaphor that [TS]

  analogy at a very very shallow level which was that look for a while [TS]

  everybody drove trucks and a you know if you're going to buy a motor vehicle you [TS]

  might as you have to haul stuff around and then all of a sudden there was you [TS]

  know a market opportunity to come out with something that we just moved the [TS]

  people around and didn't have all that cargo you know there's a certain speck [TS]

  in terms of what you can haul that cars you know come out almost practically [TS]

  zero like what you can put in the trunk of a car compared to the bed of a truck [TS]

  is tiny and you know it's true then and there is a point though were the people [TS]

  who you know a diehard truck users are going to assume that everybody needs it [TS]

  and they're gonna say nobody nobody can get by but this and I think that's true [TS]

  that so I would ever talk fully but definitely I see that there's going to [TS]

  be continuing between these things and I i think you know like an armed 64 in the [TS]

  MacBook Air I don't think that's crazy [TS]

  in fact I bet you working there now whether or not it'll be a product that's [TS]

  that has to do with things that we can't possibly guess from the outside [TS]

  yeah and who knows you know it could it could really come down to you know some [TS]

  kind of shoot your meeting you know between Tim cooking and whoever else and [TS]

  executives from Intel and you know they come into the room and there's already [TS]

  the machine running you know here's the here's a prototype running now what kind [TS]

  of deal you wanna give us yes exactly [TS]

  and the funny thing is is it until just throw money at Sampson if you want I can [TS]

  remember from hearing this rate but I seem to recall that maybe they did that [TS]

  with like I did with IBM [TS]

  before they went Intel they showed like the last PowerPC you know what I used to [TS]

  know the code name for them but that they needed one trying to get IBM to [TS]

  actually you know they were begging and pleading they did not want to go to the [TS]

  power PCs right and true I was pretty good just told you start out there so [TS]

  the thing with the power PC as they would IBM was actually developing power [TS]

  chips actually called she's power something but they were high and service [TS]

  yeah yeah they were like you know they were competing with Sun SPARC chips and [TS]

  you know the heavy duty late nineties early two thousands kind of workstations [TS]

  workstations glass chips and the power PC was cut down versions of those and [TS]

  they had promised to be able to fit into a laptop and they just could never get [TS]

  the g5 in there because its way to hot which is kind of a surprising when you [TS]

  think about it because it taking something is built to be working with [TS]

  you no air conditioning fans and all kinds of stuff and you know trying to [TS]

  stick to the laptop it's clearly but if stretch there so this [TS]

  new way of coming out from the ARM chips seems interesting gives us another [TS]

  interesting thing is to identify a an application class where we are required [TS]

  a lot more performance over the years like recently during a mean like seems [TS]

  like we can edit Word files fine you know I mean Rick maps media but even [TS]

  acts more CGP used I feel like I feel like some of the performance stuff [TS]

  recently and one of them I for one of them I feel you can never underestimate [TS]

  is is how computationally expensive HTML rendering yeah like it's you forget [TS]

  about shockingly [TS]

  this investment rate when you try to text is as well but we never used we [TS]

  never used the but prior to iowa 7 you know whatever the text you is that you [TS]

  know what i'm saying is like what people don't understand is if you want to [TS]

  proper training and if you want to measure the lines per correctly just [TS]

  simple just good proper text layout is actually computationally expensive [TS]

  especially when it's in a view that you expect to be able to scroll with your [TS]

  finger at 60 frames as you need to sort of Italy iteratively sold the Lego Harry [TS]

  going way out the text inside of me becoming a little bit extra to find out [TS]

  but the end like you know depending how you see the alignment now it's all [TS]

  expensive and then add in all the arbitrary layout stuff that you know a [TS]

  modern HTML engine do and its end up being very expensive and you can tested [TS]

  I remember testing it with the original iPhone where everybody knew that the [TS]

  edge you know that the cellular network in with super super slow on the original [TS]

  iPhone but even when you were on why fight it took a long time to reply to [TS]

  render web pages [TS]

  general you don't see any more is that you know that checkbox patterns used to [TS]

  school to terry has come a long range so that's one area where performance is [TS]

  still a factor I do I just read this week there is a good piece on MacRumors [TS]

  maybe was last week about deejay and Vijay from the rhythm and the [TS]

  performance gains they saw just by recompiling 464 like the same app before [TS]

  they recompiled 464 ran it on the iPhone 5s so it's you know and it's not when [TS]

  you run a 32 bit app on the 5s it's not emulated it's you know it runs 32 bit on [TS]

  code natively yeah they've actually got a separate section of the chip that will [TS]

  just 132 big coat right [TS]

  32 per code is executing they'll just cut power to it so there is a classic if [TS]

  you guys don't know djane Vijay there these you know really cool but I don't [TS]

  have this crime but you know they're like it for like was indeed a program [TS]

  and program they can mix video in a similar way both very very well done but [TS]

  even even deejay the one just for music though is graphically intensive in terms [TS]

  of having these controls the track your fingers so you can sync up the two songs [TS]

  and do all the stuff that DJs dude to scrub and they must get that as soon as [TS]

  possible and it's super smooth going 64 bit just recompiling [TS]

  without rewriting to Sri compiling 464 way more performance so that I think [TS]

  there's definitely stuff like that so I agree I just think that there was this [TS]

  crazy our I think there [TS]

  in the minority use case probably I think one of the areas where which isn't [TS]

  to say everybody but I think everything started to show ya I know details but [TS]

  once you know what i'm saying is I think maybe now we're camping out in terms of [TS]

  what we need in terms of power and sorry in terms of computational speed and [TS]

  maybe now what we want to be going for his I never want to put my computer [TS]

  yeah yeah like when they be great to get two solid days out of an iPhone still [TS]

  get one day but have to be a little faster yeah I mean average is 1 p.m. [TS]

  this week can we talk about that I think so I'm gonna [TS]

  and you know the major features of that our policy meeting and this isn't a [TS]

  desktop OS in 2013 to head out find it fascinating that sort of the major push [TS]

  air is is too [TS]

  to make your Mac act more like an iPhone I think that's definitely the case [TS]

  wholesalers do this for sponsor reagan and that's about however with 50 minutes [TS]

  any shipments calling it a bit early to start wanting to start the first one [TS]

  early bird outcome if you've ever read certain me god bless you because you [TS]

  know that the companies that most of the company's la register domains all there [TS]

  to do it registering a domain is named in their business their businesses up [TS]

  selling you with all sorts of stuff you don't want if you don't check the right [TS]

  box you gonna buy by accident [TS]

  there's there's their scams really they really are I'm not going to name names [TS]

  but you can probably take against some of the companies however is the complete [TS]

  opposite they never try to upset up so you on anything all they want to do is [TS]

  so you domain names with a great interface a great management interfaces [TS]

  after you register domains and offer you good services that you might want from a [TS]

  domain registrar like who is privacy and domain forwarding features that you know [TS]

  actually makes sense for domain registry they make the whole process easy to get [TS]

  a.com address for.net Dodd co Dods CEO that's what we got 44 Vesper app . me or [TS]

  just about done anything you wanted to legitimate top-level domain they make it [TS]

  easy to search for available domain names which is often one of the hardest [TS]

  parts and they make it easy to see what's available [TS]

  similar to what you're looking for what top-level domains you can get the the [TS]

  word for [TS]

  if you have any problems at all they are well known throughout the industry for [TS]

  having great customer support you just call her in a real human being answers [TS]

  the phone and I'll take care of your problems they even have something called [TS]

  Valley transfers so if you have a domain somewhere else at some domain registry [TS]

  that you're unhappy with you wanna switch they will literally do the whole [TS]

  process of moving the demand a hug her for you and that can be a huge pain in [TS]

  the ass and they recently also didja started offering if you want Google Apps [TS]

  for domains so you can use their using Google Apps to get you know let's say [TS]

  you have your whole demeanor company your small business whatever running [TS]

  gmail through your domain you can go to hover and I'll help you integrate that [TS]

  I'll tell you what they've got is they've got a 30 day free trial to see [TS]

  what you think I bet there's no single person has taken up under 30 day free [TS]

  trial who hasn't stuck with him to go to Harvard ID com slash talk-show TLK SH 0 [TS]

  W find out mourner and demand from you know what I gotta do I gotta use it [TS]

  lasers thing I gotta get it to mean it stuck on network you know the guys you [TS]

  don't forget about it all the time but I'm going to use him Valley think it got [TS]

  a few unlike some oddball registrars where I don't even remember why over the [TS]

  years that I used some oddball one off I got one domain on this one read the [TS]

  story I got it [TS]

  consolidate all have a good they have a tasty beverage with a tasty beverage [TS]

  actually ducked up to two beloved doing here a dream but we talking about [TS]

  the chips power management said we're isn't it interesting that that Apple's [TS]

  direction after 24 Mavericks both the hardware and it was really i mean that [TS]

  was the whole the whole take away from this year's upgrade to the MacBook Airs [TS]

  was really all about battery Li yeah I mean the screen which is a shame I kinda [TS]

  don't envy them working although it is a good page twelve those batteries good [TS]

  whatever 18 hours whatever but the same time since sex you know you don't get to [TS]

  do it Emily the Unreal Engine but you sort right it's definitely harder to [TS]

  demo you know I mean let's face it mean in some ways you know the Mac Pro is [TS]

  almost certainly going to be the by unit sales the least popular Mac that Apple [TS]

  makes it probably always has been [TS]

  because it's so expensive in so one of my most interesting devices looking [TS]

  forward to but it's you know it's not a mass-market device you know it's a race [TS]

  car but it demos it's great for demos because you can you know that's the one [TS]

  where you can do that you know you can run the most advanced demos you can [TS]

  possibly think of right you can do you can create video you know or graphics [TS]

  demos that could only run on a Mac Pro so it's great for demos and and you know [TS]

  what's the MacBook Air and probably almost certainly the Mac with the least [TS]

  graphics capabilities you need to do they need to look like a MacBook Air in [TS]

  a glass cube of the Vegas trip with one of those situations just as a kinder and [TS]

  stuff just have it running she would run last longer while i was thinkin bout [TS]

  whenever I go whenever I'm in an airport and you just walking down the terminal [TS]

  or gate and and you just see you know grown businessman wearing [TS]

  nice suit just sitting on the floor back against the wall because they need to [TS]

  have their laptop near an outlet yep it's a serious something to vote for [TS]

  high school thing for me there and I know it's just weird helplessness of [TS]

  this guy that's like this kinda stuck sitting in the corner with his laptop [TS]

  plugged in sitting like right it's not comfortable but it's the greatest [TS]

  commodity in an airport is battery because there's so few outlets you know [TS]

  very few airlines I mean there's Virgin America which sadly few people fly on [TS]

  their struggling they've got power outlets by the seats but most airlines [TS]

  don't so once you're on the plane it's like whatever battery life you've gotten [TS]

  your laptop when you get on the plane that's all you've got for the flight and [TS]

  Virginia Ave [TS]

  Virgin Wines can you get when I probably to Vegas no Vegas to San Francisco for [TS]

  the weekend then went to be on time I've done the opposite I have owned San [TS]

  Francisco virgin all the two quick of a fight was very nice yeah it really is [TS]

  particularly tasty but there's very few airlines I mean just because the way [TS]

  there you know that planes redesign few of the airlines have planes that were [TS]

  designed for the modern hero where people really desperately need AC power [TS]

  in their seats and who knows you know the way that everything is transitioning [TS]

  to these long life tablets [TS]

  you know by the time you know planes get refresh there may not even be an issue [TS]

  anymore and people still wanna see phones and stuff but [TS]

  version even has a mess I miss remembering I it's been a couple of [TS]

  months since I fly virgin even has USB outlets which is really way need you [TS]

  have seen a few things but anyway it's clearly and I'm not optimistic about [TS]

  battery technology [TS]

  well i think thats you know it certainly hasn't been advancing in the same move [TS]

  you know computer technology no definitely not but that's why some of [TS]

  the things some of the jumps that Apple is taken in recent years stick out like [TS]

  the fact that this year's MacBook Airs went from I forget what they were the [TS]

  year before but it was more than just like a one or two hour bump it was like [TS]

  a five or six hours yet and as far as I haven't looked at this have to do some [TS]

  musicians talking any good but it's not like the batteries got better it's that [TS]

  the software and hardware got better to me but the basic power source is not [TS]

  improving very good you know that's clear like you said that's clearly a lot [TS]

  of averages about what else is in Mavericks that battery oK so that's a [TS]

  good question there's a couple of things they play near if all of the windows in [TS]

  your app recovered you'll get a call back you'll you'll be notified and then [TS]

  you can start doing a kind of background processing because you clearly not [TS]

  rendering right you will be updating [TS]

  that seem like a big one in and of itself the fact that a window that [TS]

  obscured isn't going to consume power cuz I was it really good demo at WWDC [TS]

  yes I was sitting with his parish in where none after the show up as a parish [TS]

  in Luke Adams and whose ex gay very gay we were trying to figure out how that [TS]

  works because if you're expecting to update if you're in you know you're [TS]

  let's say you were you playing something back in the background in expecting to [TS]

  update sixty times a second dividends issues and you do work that isn't purely [TS]

  two-banded but is is to do some sort of housekeeping staff and when you get [TS]

  covered then you don't get a chance to do that housekeeping stuff what happens [TS]

  doing now what's the answer the answer is you get told when you're first of all [TS]

  you often today's [TS]

  even as a web page know we also heard it right and they juggle whatever their [TS]

  legal rights over nap to take advantages have to opt into it yet and you know [TS]

  it's very does update and guess what they don't have to wait for Adobe did [TS]

  make this work they just do it themselves with their own stuff [TS]

  and you just you basically is dominated you you when you get called rendered you [TS]

  just wondering if you don't get called to meet you doing so you try to separate [TS]

  the logic of any kind of housecleaning to do from Jake see get called on it but [TS]

  you can be told it's kind of like the way when you get swept out on iOS you [TS]

  have just gets told by Katie going to sleep well he take that principle bring [TS]

  it to the Mac gets told when her window when the window gets obscured so the [TS]

  rendering is pointless and he gets told winning all of the news in the appt go [TS]

  away so you can you know further turn back any any housekeeping [TS]

  huge win i mean and I've always known it to like you know and armed nerdy enough [TS]

  that I'll be route running activity monitor just to see what's going on but [TS]

  I'll be on an airplane and I'm writing an article and I have two or three tabs [TS]

  open in Safari cuz they're the things I'm referencing for what I'm writing [TS]

  about and I can see that safari is taking thirty percent of my CPU and it's [TS]

  because I have these things open and they're just it's just running [TS]

  JavaScript or something over and over and over again [TS]

  yeah I know it's killing my battery but there's like nothing i dont wanna close [TS]

  the window well so we feature which is currently I'm a little surprised that [TS]

  the surface this but you know had to you know quite this sort of usual level [TS]

  but if you click the battery icon Mavericks it will show you like do you [TS]

  know that how much they charge the battery has but it'll also give you a [TS]

  list of the absentee using the most energy that's pretty interesting and so [TS]

  you can click on it and just kill it and that's kind of weirdly nearly thing for [TS]

  them to do like stan is usually been trying to move away from like pointing [TS]

  out new stuff you know right there or even making you think about like what is [TS]

  running and what is not i mean you know and every couple of years they'll come [TS]

  out with a new doc design and usually the first thing they do is they always [TS]

  take away the indicator of what apps are running and then you guys hey hey hey [TS]

  come on I gotta know what's wrong and what's not running and then I kind of a [TS]

  kind of ok with him not having indicated there well you know what I mean by guys [TS]

  I people who truly at least understand the difference between an app that still [TS]

  running an app that is not yes a gang of Palace I feel that I would be the odd [TS]

  man out being like I don't want to see the little died in theory I think [TS]

  everybody would agree that nobody wants to know what happens actually open and [TS]

  closed it should all be working right which is the eyewear has always been [TS]

  exactly exactly in tractors still a Mac and it still some bullshit going on [TS]

  right and the goal should be that if your app isn't running you should make [TS]

  it is too quick to launch as possible and go break back to where they would [TS]

  you were the last time you are in so that the user doesn't even see the [TS]

  difference maybe there's a couple of seconds of difference but you know some [TS]

  mountain I and Mavericks have both added a bunch of abyei's to make that allows [TS]

  you to do you can save state and Queen you happen should I just come back to [TS]

  exactly what you were with the selection you know you can save off what you have [TS]

  selected so when you realize you had to get the same selection [TS]

  which we define a pin in what you do lose which kinda sucks is that so you [TS]

  can opt in and say that you can quickly kill my appt at any point and what will [TS]

  happen is when you switch away from a little automatically save in the [TS]

  background and then discuss some kind of memory pressure or does no windows on [TS]

  the screen or if the user just loves out your Apple be killed when you love back [TS]

  in whatever when you launch the app your act is expected to be stored state which [TS]

  you can do if you recall correctly but what you lose is the under the state you [TS]

  can keep you and your steak which to me is you're breaking the illusion you're [TS]

  not only a baking in the lesion on do is I think one of the best beaches [TS]

  computers exactly undoing is what computers do you know what the Mac style [TS]

  of interface design chapare did you mess around [TS]

  did you fuck it out and do not a problem and removing that is it that's that's it [TS]

  was you know what they're probably thirty different people who came up with [TS]

  the exact same design for tshirt and you know but I remember like back in college [TS]

  in the early nineties there is a lot of people had a short it just said I never [TS]

  had one I got it but it just said come and see the little as it was you know [TS]

  the best yeah it's good I love it yeah I mean to say that it's it's minor [TS]

  breaking the illusion yeah it's it's actually like losing the end attack is [TS]

  is losing something important it's true destructive behavior [TS]

  exactly and I think it is mostly i mean again [TS]

  to be productive you know guys like us like people that would be listened to [TS]

  the show would notice it and I don't think most people would notice it but I [TS]

  think that while they won't notice exactly what happened they will learn to [TS]

  become mistrustful I did a more seamless you make the illusion the app is running [TS]

  even when it's not the more apparent he will be did the induced at just vanishes [TS]

  its gonna feel random I think given to someone like me like I may not even [TS]

  guess right like I'm fairly technically adept I could be running napkin and [TS]

  sometimes it sometimes undue works and sometimes it doesn't [TS]

  as well it's going to seem like to me because I wasn't even aware that it got [TS]

  closed out the background because I had left it open for two days let us know [TS]

  I'm coming back to this thing I remember what I was doing and now my dad this [TS]

  stupid texts and you may have figured out we may just yell at me and I'll tell [TS]

  you what happen but it's it's an issue [TS]

  go he had something in mind I was going to take a second sponsored by Dan di ang [TS]

  by tight new sponsor what is doing it [TS]

  time tracking for people who are on your own show it's built for freelancers [TS]

  small teams and it's a product that the guys who built it these guys it's there [TS]

  it's it's the Time Tracker they wanted to use the building for themselves and [TS]

  it's meant for any small teams got all the features that managers you know the [TS]

  type of things DAGA type of time tracking software is designed by like [TS]

  managers and it's a real pain for the actual people using at work and they [TS]

  took all those features out and all they did was focus on the features that [TS]

  people actually have to do stuff during the day would want to use focus on hours [TS]

  you put in what you spend it on the money you're gonna make a beautiful UI [TS]

  at all you're actually gonna like using in your day because it just looks cool [TS]

  very fast [TS]

  any iPhone app is designed for Iowa seven and a pretty pretty slick Iowa 7 [TS]

  design in terms of and i know i spent a lot of time last few weeks talking about [TS]

  what to do with the new status bar and endeavour pretty cool solution to it you [TS]

  can to see the screenshots you go to the AppStore and search for Dane but it's [TS]

  designed for Iowa 7 indefinitely looks like it so if you sign up here we go to [TS]

  sign up their website is dangerous I / the talk show the ING died 02 / the talk [TS]

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  credit card required up front that's amazing deal I mean that's like three [TS]

  months thats they well past the end of the year [TS]

  well more than enough time to tell this is the time track of you that's how [TS]

  confident these guys are so you're gonna like it [TS]

  the App iPhone app is in the App Store now [TS]

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  my thanks to Dan anybody out there looking for time tracking software check [TS]

  them out [TS]

  it's really cool stuff very nicely designed and use it in class and work [TS]

  for my company and said I'm actually have much use for it but man keeping [TS]

  track of that stuff span the as i I used to before identifiable full time I do a [TS]

  lot of freelance where I guess you know had some full-time jobs in their most of [TS]

  my career before that [TS]

  doing freelance work and at the time I was doing freelance work there were no [TS]

  good time tracking ups not terrible yeah tell me the worst so you want to make it [TS]

  as easy as possible [TS]

  exactly she then yeah I could see mean you drive across the country in juneau [TS]

  my joke is going to be going to buy one of these are going to get out you know [TS]

  but we gotta get one like this [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  ok so dang designed for ya gonna switch and we're going to go along with [TS]

  whatever going to turn the tables on you [TS]

  Vesper I were seven ya bazi yes or no to go I S seven only yeah I don't think so [TS]

  and it was funny and back at WWDC when they first announced Iowa so I mean this [TS]

  is literally wild Britain Dave and I were all in San Francisco for the BBC [TS]

  and they announced it and it showed in a day or two to think about it and we're [TS]

  like 20 Wednesday of that week and I had a meeting on Thursday with a rapid the [TS]

  App Store just take a sort of meet and greet you know we're happy to have you [TS]

  guys in the store and you know just you know get to know you type of thing and [TS]

  you have any questions for us and I asked then when they said hey do you [TS]

  have any questions I said he would you guys think about us going [TS]

  Iowa seven for our next update I was seven and they even even the guys at [TS]

  Apple really don't know them ideal way to call you know we love we love that [TS]

  you're interested in it we want everybody to get on board with it and we [TS]

  know we want everybody to you know to designed for it but I was seven only [TS]

  right out of the gate we don't know I don't know about that you know that you [TS]

  know think about their do you think about it but the more we thought about [TS]

  it without who is our current audience our current audiences clearly people who [TS]

  are a little bit more dirty right people who know read during fireball know who [TS]

  Brent simmons's [TS]

  there clearly gonna be a day at the leading edge of that you know what is a [TS]

  200 million people very updated 27 and we knew it was going to be like that [TS]

  I I don't know how many people there are who you that's where users who still [TS]

  cleaning tile with six you know maybe for good reasons but doesn't seem like [TS]

  it's been a support issue for us we have had if there are if there are complaints [TS]

  about that I don't even know about it I think it was a no-brainer [TS]

  identity theft protection could use in supporting both six and seven is it s [TS]

  one thing as shown in 28 you know what I don't know a quota because could this [TS]

  could be second hand but didn't compare the rollout of the day the ACA website [TS]

  2007 yeah I just saw that yesterday that fascinating as that I don't think it's a [TS]

  knock against Apple crusades more that leg it's such a cultural touchstone now [TS]

  the yeah you can just compare one to the other as technology shit happens and [TS]

  even the best of his problems [TS]

  politics is gotten so weird and not to turn us into political show but any [TS]

  without taking any partisan side even yeah but it's gotten so weird over the [TS]

  last decade or two where we're certain extraordinarily shirt short catch [TS]

  phrases will capture the coverage for about 48 hours and then gym and the [TS]

  thing that happened this week with the rollout of the Affordable Care Act [TS]

  website was this word glitch instead of bugs you couldn't go anywhere without [TS]

  seeing you know that there were glitches quote unquote glitches and you know that [TS]

  some people jumped on this is somehow sign [TS]

  it was a disaster and it's never gonna work and other people like no it's just [TS]

  a sign that it's way more popular than it was expected and yes Obama as [TS]

  President Obama said something to the effect of luck even you know you always [TS]

  look that's why Obama should look even iOS 7 from Apple shipped with a glitch [TS]

  they fixed it moved on improved do the same thing [TS]

  fix the glitch which is really reasonable he did ten weirdly [TS]

  politically charged and granted but even if you think it's it's crap public [TS]

  policy even if you think it's a mistake [TS]

  public policy was implemented to jump on the fact that the website can keep up [TS]

  with the traffic on day one is you know that's that's a fixable problem yeah no [TS]

  problem that every website has an ejection it was found interesting is [TS]

  that he compared it to Iowa 7 specifically right and dad dad gets back [TS]

  to me off in the weeds because I'm from Canada and we have health insurance I [TS]

  just couldnt occurred avoid that day and I couldn't finish the shoving the night [TS]

  when he gets assume they can go to a doctor in half and put these medical [TS]

  bills [TS]

  yeah you know when the president of the united states the engine stand up in [TS]

  comparing his roll out of his signature legislation of his career probably of [TS]

  his life [TS]

  yeah I mean yeah and and clearly in the big leagues at that point so yeah [TS]

  targeting the latest seems acceptable thing to do I think that's fair to say [TS]

  no matter which side of the partisan divide Iran where even if you like the [TS]

  car dislike the guy that everybody would agree that you know historically that's [TS]

  his signature legislative accomplishment and if you go if you're right maybe you [TS]

  think on one side you think this is why everybody's eventually everybody's gonna [TS]

  agree the guy was a terrible present and on the other side maybe you think this [TS]

  is why I remembered as a guy you accomplish something that really prove [TS]

  it but it's clearly you know it's the biggest thing he he's going to get past [TS]

  the biggest thing I did and then he compared it to something Apple yeah I [TS]

  think too weird it's real it's almost petty in a way like he should be kind of [TS]

  AboveNet but it I think it speaks to the culture the time I think that are the [TS]

  tech crowd underestimates especially with iOS 7 vastly underestimated just [TS]

  how aware the general public is things like Iowa seven right because there are [TS]

  a lot of people who for the whole summer there was a lot of people that you know [TS]

  in the iOS developer circles really look I think when this thing ships people are [TS]

  gonna you know people are going to go nuts and hate it they're going to see [TS]

  the dialogue that says oh you have an update available and you know the last [TS]

  five years when they've seen that dialogue they hit ok they wait five [TS]

  minutes in their phone or iPad restarts and it looks the same as it did before [TS]

  except you know as bugs fixed and stuff and now this one time they're gonna do [TS]

  it and when they hit restart their phone or iPad is gonna look completely [TS]

  different and they're gonna lose their ship because normal people stuff changes [TS]

  and showed probably shouldn't have been delayed should have been to a couple of [TS]

  friends of mine do not text illiterate it all and they really take not plus [TS]

  there's no look it off but they could navigated the same do you like a big [TS]

  deal we we see differences way more easily than most think a lot of us even [TS]

  me when I see me included underestimated how much work I did to keep it at a [TS]

  certain fundamental level from familiar yeah I agree and I didn't really realize [TS]

  that until I put the phone in the hands of people really don't know anything [TS]

  about tech yeah my mom is a good example of that because my mom is more in charge [TS]

  of the Macan in their house then my dad and but she'll never install on Mac OS [TS]

  10 update without calling there just waiting for me to visit and do it myself [TS]

  you know even though they're relatively automated now whereas she never even [TS]

  asked me she just called me after she upgraded her iPad Iowa seven and one [TS]

  question and and in all day one question about it [TS]

  and she said I keep hitting I keep going to the wrong side of the bar in Safari [TS]

  cuz the Bookmarks menu moved and said it wasn't really a complaint use just like [TS]

  isn't it funny how my fingers is always goes the same size and that was it I [TS]

  mean it was I couldn't believe it she didn't even called ask that when you [TS]

  give her Syracuse's number and talk about spatial Ottawa that would be a [TS]

  good show John Siracusa talks to John Gruber's mother about technology would [TS]

  be attributed to solve her problems with their computer that would be pretty sure [TS]

  you can hook that up [TS]

  holy hell that would be good work out a way to get John Siracusa sauce [TS]

  rate by the end of the ten 10 episode series he'd be he'd be like he'd be in [TS]

  Nigeria I love it would be like a limited run we can make this happen I do [TS]

  think that I think that that's kind of I think a lot of all the predictions of [TS]

  doom and gloom about consumer reaction I was 7 of all been overstated you know [TS]

  and if you wanted to make hay out of certain things like the parallax making [TS]

  you know a few ppl motion sickness but I don't want to make like a serious [TS]

  problem and yeah you know what though the way that it got reported it was [TS]

  funny I was talking to somebody else in my family you know total regular [TS]

  consumer person and they were very confused by it because they saw it on TV [TS]

  and said what it's just making that up this is stupid I don't see anything like [TS]

  that because they got the impression from the TV report that everybody was [TS]

  getting sick from Iowa 77 had these 3d effects and Apple screwed up and they're [TS]

  making everybody ill and this is [TS]

  and she you know she has an iPhone and iPad and is upgrading both like the [TS]

  first two days and likes and enjoys it I gotta get it when you don't get is that [TS]

  it's it's people with a certain disorder I don't know if you want to call this or [TS]

  did they just have a proclivity to get motion sickness from from certain 3d [TS]

  effects and this is triggering it for them and she was i didnt get that cause [TS]

  I feel like the way you know it gets reported as a I was 7 makes you sick [TS]

  right which is an ideal in video games be making people sick for right you know [TS]

  and I sympathize because if your video games make you sexually just know bored [TS]

  playing video games good ranking cyclic I'm not going to play this 3d video game [TS]

  right where any and all of a sudden your phone gets screwed that's that sucks you [TS]

  know it's just turn up in the air and I know that you can only turn off some of [TS]

  the effects right now there's some of the zooming ones you can't help but feel [TS]

  but by that by like I was 7.1 or something like that there will be a [TS]

  setting in accessibility or something like that that turns off some of those [TS]

  unis funny subtle distinction is that whenever you talk to Mike on the app how [TS]

  we zoomed in on iOS we need to happen on a seven is zoomed in from where the icon [TS]

  is on the screen rather than from the center right and for some reason that [TS]

  triggers this motion sickness yeah we're and it's for me it's what I one of the [TS]

  things that makes Iowa seven so much more pleasing to me [TS]

  semantically because it's a diving into things this is booming out to take the [TS]

  screen and when you go back the screen is going into that icon yes you know [TS]

  there's this more of this sense of place and there's even a crossfade anacondas [TS]

  canonized yeah I think it's more than just the fact that it's not always from [TS]

  the center though I do think that it seems more [TS]

  and I think its rooms for longer a longer period of time or at least there [TS]

  are at least it seems like it does yeah the animations definitely feel a little [TS]

  bit slower cuz I have also heard from readers like when it when they first saw [TS]

  it in person you know like in the first day or two after it came out some daring [TS]

  fireball readers who emailed emily is there a way to speed that up because [TS]

  they're like it's not that they're getting sicker anything it's that [TS]

  they're so probably they're all jazzed up on coffee but they're so you know [TS]

  intent on making it go as fast as possible that it drives them not that [TS]

  they're waiting for an animation that they see is superfluous now it's easy [TS]

  just wait for 7.1 and no shave her split second I mean if you look at the [TS]

  animations to hand over the course of history they just keep getting that [TS]

  investor and you know they i I think seven point zero introduces a new visual [TS]

  language do things so too did little bit sluggish it lacked a pinstripe sort of [TS]

  win over the top of the accuracy of the speedy animations was slower because [TS]

  there is an immediate prouder of them did they want to show them off they want [TS]

  they want to experience there when the novelty sort of soft and shave down in a [TS]

  lot faster yeah totally agree we do the last sponsored third third and final [TS]

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  wouldn't be here without script but I think I would ever get things back I [TS]

  expect macro by the end of the month is going to drop that any comments to a BBQ [TS]

  see you you eat because it's there's all sorts of ways you could just talk about [TS]

  that and then lets and on what we're both really good to talk about [TS]

  very knowledgeable about Microsoft yeah I'm a long time Microsoft expert devotee [TS]

  tell me you know cue I never heard I saw this I don't even think of him during [TS]

  fireball because not because it was a big deal but because I I never even [TS]

  heard of them before I knew I had her take you had not checked him out he was [TS]

  one of those things that's a good idea and then I just didn't really follow up [TS]

  on it what it is is effectively a service liquid Google mount is in the AM [TS]

  tempted to come up with it we describe the category but it's an aggregator the [TS]

  way I like an aggregated view life [TS]

  yeah and I've heard it is that it's it's this is my layman's understanding but [TS]

  that whatever it is they bought them for surely it's to help populate that today [TS]

  tab of notifications that it what's going on with you today like now we're [TS]

  yeah that's what people have been saying you think it's important that we don't [TS]

  know but in interface calendar weird little [TS]

  like a lot of this stuff should be like why is today different than might like [TS]

  what's the difference between today in Syria well see really comes up when you [TS]

  ask for the voice interface right sort of related though and I think it looks [TS]

  more related I don't know if it's an overlay over the tickets eerie and call [TS]

  her sarah is your personal assistant to be gender whenever you personally would [TS]

  tell you got to do today and then he can just ask the question why are these the [TS]

  same thing [TS]

  weil ich shouldn't she be Sara Jean be servicing information to you late like [TS]

  Google now does well here's an example of that and and so I do I haven't seen [TS]

  this because I don't go anywhere I wake up and just come downstairs coffee but I [TS]

  just got an email you know there's a featured in in Iowa seven where it was [TS]

  two uses the m7 motion co-processor and figures out where you go on a daily [TS]

  basis and when you do it and somebody reads during fire budgets think wow this [TS]

  just happened to me today for the first time pretty impressive is that [TS]

  Thursday afternoon 44 45 you know today tab it gave them an estimate of the [TS]

  traffic to drive home that it will take longer than usual to drive home because [TS]

  there is traffic on the route [TS]

  there is traffic on the route [TS]

  that he usually drives which I guess I remember being advertised as a future [TS]

  but I never really gave much thought to cause a doesn't really apply to me but [TS]

  wasn't sure how work and he was like I never did anything I i mean i you know [TS]

  obviously he opted into the whatever you know ask permission for his location but [TS]

  other than that he did not into it and now like when he goes to work his today [TS]

  tab gives him like a traffic history so I think that's pretty cool and that is [TS]

  definitely that's the sort of cool thing to let's face it the Google is been a [TS]

  lot better at than anybody else [TS]

  yes Apple and Microsoft anybody Google is is clearly leads the industry in that [TS]

  sort of combination of literacy and yes service is in and your history online [TS]

  services the know what the state of the whole world is right now to certain road [TS]

  is backed up [TS]

  combined with the prediction of you know I think you're gonna do this again [TS]

  because everyone in a funny way of things that make them creepy rather [TS]

  strings right and I me and not even trying to be a jerk about that it cuts [TS]

  both ways right they know exactly where you up to you where you goin in your ETA [TS]

  alone isn't creepy it's you know what can be creepy about them in my opinion [TS]

  is what they do with it [TS]

  how far they'd go with it and what and when is you know when you get a 30 [TS]

  minute drive home this vote blocks here why did you stop and have your favorite [TS]

  burger right he was he's a $5 discount right back into little bit weird [TS]

  but so you know i dont to me what this says that they bought cute isn't so much [TS]

  that they wanted to Google Maps Google now kind of thing what he says to me is [TS]

  that they haven't got one going yet or at least they need to get right they [TS]

  were well down there devoted to getting this done they would necessarily need to [TS]

  book you possibly you know let's face it syria was the exact same type of [TS]

  acquisition I mean syria denies any change names they actually mean which is [TS]

  one of the most unusual marketing decision I mean I'm even saying that [TS]

  Steve 10 really yet I wish I could find a source for that it could have been the [TS]

  book I don't remember that from the book but couldn't come up with anything [TS]

  better [TS]

  Siri is going to be something coldly personal assistant state and the [TS]

  building but you know syria was just start of the day [TS]

  Siri used to be an app in the App Store yet [TS]

  so you know you know it's finally settling what we're talking about [TS]

  Microsoft and how well you know I feel like it its it was perfect for him and [TS]

  you know divided everybody away putting it perfect for him it was a perfect [TS]

  Steve Ballmer goodbye and for those who didn't watch it if you skip the video [TS]

  you should go look it up cuz it's worth watching is only four minutes long but a [TS]

  it just shows all sorts of things that I think are unique to Microsoft like the [TS]

  fact that they have a company meeting every year in a fourteen thousand seat [TS]

  basketball arena you know is crazy I mean you know Apple's got lots of [TS]

  employees like that but they never rent out you know the place where the San [TS]

  Jose Sharks play and have them all meet there once for like a effectively a pep [TS]

  rally and I'm gonna lie I put it down because you know i i wouldn't let me [TS]

  know some people go for that Microsoft always gone for things like that [TS]

  yes I mean believe me that is not my stuff there is you know what I would be [TS]

  doing group always accused Apple of being more like a religion like forever [TS]

  but in my experience people who work at Apple are the opposite of that people [TS]

  who work at Apple that they made love Apple in the middle of the products but [TS]

  they're not they don't have a further about it I you know this story hiring [TS]

  the ready to cut off [TS]

  member you thought you ever thought my story I remember was from way back and [TS]

  this was back when Microsoft the space today they screwed IBM over on the next [TS]

  generation operating system where what was it was it was nice to think so [TS]

  alright so you know more night long story short tho OS two it was supposed [TS]

  to be like a joint product of Microsoft and IBM mostly IBM and Microsoft would [TS]

  back it [TS]

  and they'd write apps for it and they'd port office in excel in everything to it [TS]

  and then you know that could work [TS]

  dad a joint team with Canon EOS what the the file system for ways to end up being [TS]

  converted into NTFS but secretly behind the scenes they kept working on Windows [TS]

  day had their own kernel that they dropped in underneath you is to cuddle [TS]

  and anyways we secretly behind the scenes they made and tea while IBM was [TS]

  working on ways to and Microsoft is working on ways to write and they had no [TS]

  real intention of ever putting Word Excel those two and and just kind of [TS]

  sand but I remember reading a story it's politically murky but yet I remember [TS]

  reading and I miss remembering details I guess before it showed us but it was [TS]

  something they had like a big one of these big company meetings with ten [TS]

  twenty thousand Microsoft employees of ones and they like drove out like like a [TS]

  jalopy that said OS two and and everybody boo'd and then they drove out [TS]

  like a cool looking car that said windows and everybody chief [TS]

  this is absurd a falling out after the fire became public it was just you know [TS]

  yes it just seemed vaguely dangerous always seem to rub me the wrong way that [TS]

  it was dangerously close to like a book burning [TS]

  yeah yeah that's horrible to work it just this is totally in his ideas to [TS]

  work and used bookstore in every now and then we'd by a lake [TS]

  you know we will buy books and people who selling them to be so and you know [TS]

  eventually would have like five copies of some romance novel and like three of [TS]

  them have to go in the trash and I could never actually threw them out in the [TS]

  trash I would just take the big box it was tasked with drawing out and I would [TS]

  sit down next to be safe I couldn't bring myself to actually just destroy [TS]

  the box it is always remember working on it but I worked at like a drugstore [TS]

  chain had you know that sold like mass-market books and used after tearing [TS]

  the cover off for the day and they even used to sprint and it probably still do [TS]

  they say if you bought this book without a cover you've bought any legal book you [TS]

  you would tear the cover off and send those covers back to the publisher's [TS]

  proof that you didn't sell those box but in the meantime yet expected the lake [TS]

  shred the box in and out and about you but I was a fuck that in my arms and [TS]

  there's just too much history behind book burning [TS]

  even like you said even if it's just like a totally apolitical just a pope [TS]

  romance or detective thriller just like to just under something I have been me I [TS]

  am NOT putting books in the garbage I am NOT which is weird be anyway back to [TS]

  appoint yes kind of weird company culture [TS]

  what I found striking about this bunker farewell is that he was at his best when [TS]

  he's a sort of creepy and screaming and fist pumping the air sweaty sweaty let's [TS]

  face it there's sort of a even if you love even if you love the guy got it met [TS]

  the guy has a history of sweating yes that's his style what it what I found [TS]

  interesting but this sort of took a bit of the staying away from that developers [TS]

  developers developers in the when I watched that I just thought he was on [TS]

  the hook shield literally take his mind and just whatever maybe doesn't like [TS]

  public speaking to the couple managed to get out there and Jews and this is again [TS]

  this is just interpretation of excitement it had nothing to do with [TS]

  anything else but this was a nice just to legendary very emotional can again [TS]

  and you know what did you know the person that just came down we love you [TS]

  that's weird yeah I would not be screaming at my CEO but it's felt it fit [TS]

  right in [TS]

  did and and I saw that little farewell thing to me was ok this is weird this is [TS]

  not my culture but difficult to culture there this is there a thing and it's [TS]

  interesting I get the verge I think maybe I don't even know how they got the [TS]

  quote unquote exclusive video to a day after mounting [TS]

  but they had the video and their their description of any knows maybe ads [TS]

  partly because they pulled some strings and got it from Microsoft and so they [TS]

  had to frame it positively but they really made it seem like it was like [TS]

  like everybody's gotta love this video where is a couple of readers after [TS]

  failing to it wrote to me in their life [TS]

  you know I don't really even gonna take that video made me uncomfortable if I [TS]

  was there I would have been all I was told I would have been really [TS]

  uncomfortable I can't believe that nobody is mentioning just how kind of [TS]

  uncomfortable missus and I was right there with ya I don't think that they [TS]

  were I don't have a good thing I don't think he was passing off this is just [TS]

  amazing and great and isn't it I think it was more like you gotta love these [TS]

  guys [TS]

  well with this distinction of being I was uncomfortable but the same time [TS]

  everybody in this room seems kind of into this well and it was not sure but I [TS]

  mean that's a lot of people litter kind of into this was definitely his style [TS]

  yeah yeah and went out like he you know when I like you lived I he definitely [TS]

  got her trusted [TS]

  yeah I think so too and I think who knows if anything will come of it but it [TS]

  wasn't reported in a crackpot publication and they was Bloomberg said [TS]

  that there's a group that controls like five percent three to five percent of [TS]

  microsoft shares you want bill gates to step down as chairman exactly so it was [TS]

  believed to be at the top 20 investors which is such a weird thing to say [TS]

  because that's a previous range right you know what is it like number five [TS]

  number eighteen well the big question is are they just the three who are willing [TS]

  to put their names out in public right now and do it do they speak for a larger [TS]

  number of the [TS]

  institutional investors you know normal people like us if we do you when I go [TS]

  out tomorrow and and login or trade accounts and you know to spend a couple [TS]

  hundred thousand dollars we don't give it matters of the big investors the [TS]

  institutional and pension funds hedge funds and somebody who controls even if [TS]

  it's just 1 percent of your control 1 percentage talking serious money [TS]

  billion dollars then you have a say in the matter you know and how many how [TS]

  many is is this just a small group and that's it and it's just gonna float away [TS]

  or is there a serious contingent of institutional Microsoft investors who [TS]

  want you know effectively not just bomber gone but they want the board gone [TS]

  including gates ok so let's just back up a bit and just is running on but let's [TS]

  play this back sort of chronologically when you get stepped down like 15 years [TS]

  ago [TS]

  type thing it was sort of gradual yeah but whatever they give us a while years [TS]

  ago might have been too long I think it was more about about 10 years ago okay [TS]

  but I don't know following that stock price effectively stagnates Microsoft [TS]

  fails to get into mobile does get into consoles but doesn't really make a [TS]

  shitload of money off that window starts to stagnate as tablets can wave to a [TS]

  time when it was over loaded up January 2000 so we're about halfway right about [TS]

  thirteen years not a little bit closer and closer [TS]

  is about to come on his show just gonna be late I'm not going to rub it in his [TS]

  face closer than two months away from being fourteen years [TS]

  halfway between now and you know and and well what happened pretty quickly run [TS]

  here's a quick example and who knows what would have been different if he'd [TS]

  stayed in Benin if you want to do state but a perfect example is XP XP is [TS]

  probably [TS]

  I think everybody my degree was the most successful version of Windows over that [TS]

  at a time it came out it was popular and it remained popular but they got stuck [TS]

  right and you know and it was a long time before the next one came out which [TS]

  was Vista and Windows Vista did come out people didn't like it so it was a [TS]

  disaster and in fact bomber mentioned in the early 2002 failure [TS]

  effectively they vote to business people Longhorn which had this crazy fascist in [TS]

  a whole bunch of other stuff and then this and they've had to back off a bunch [TS]

  of that and then ship which is Canada's half assed we gotta ship something holy [TS]

  shit it's been five yes six years a gay you know we now have 12 to 18 months to [TS]

  get something out the door or we just look like a total idiot right it was [TS]

  more like ok none of this weird now we haven't had any of this stuff from [TS]

  Longhorn here's some invisible windows are ya [TS]

  overdone blur effect that's probably similar effects in Iowa seven right now [TS]

  probably I'm sure there's somebody up in Redmond who you know when the day that I [TS]

  was seven was unveiled in everybody was [TS]

  wow look at that cool blurred the guy who liked wrote the blur for me is what [TS]

  do you think it was like a fist pumper facepalm I think it was like four out of [TS]

  scotch this is why daddy drinks right there was like the exact same people who [TS]

  like in 2007 when mr shipp they're like what the fuck are you wasting my time [TS]

  and now they're like wow the background for battered stock stagnates the end up [TS]

  losing well-known executives left right and center for the past couple years J [TS]

  Allard Sinofsky what's-his-name Ray Ozzie [TS]

  yeah they bought into sort of rejuvenate the technologist side of the company and [TS]

  then I have to equate to use 25 years after he got it wasn't long enough ten [TS]

  you to make its mark you know just recently announced to total viewers to [TS]

  fit the Apple model which is weird only Apple does seemingly effortless for [TS]

  companies of that size where you know there's only one marketing division you [TS]

  know Phil Schiller it is in charge of marketing for Apple not there is no [TS]

  separate Mac marketing manager there's no separate iPhone marketing manager [TS]

  you know there's one and now there's 100 RBIs marketing group does not fly with a [TS]

  man who gets the ad it's a just right not even have to be well there may be a [TS]

  debate but it's a debate within one team yes it's not up to [TS]

  butting heads and writing [TS]

  well and maybe because they know they were always like always I mean you know [TS]

  and and at least always dating back to 1997 to say that you know that Apple [TS]

  effectively truly got you know if they ever had if you give if you give and the [TS]

  problem with Apple Institute in terms of organisation lies before Steve Jobs came [TS]

  back in 97 wasn't really that they were set up in divisions it's just that they [TS]

  would they were just a mess I mean I wasn't really like Microsoft they had [TS]

  separate that the Newton group was separate from app from the Mac group [TS]

  even though they were in it was part of the problem but it was really just more [TS]

  that they were a mess and didn't have you know they were just disorganized [TS]

  disorganized rather than how they were realized yes yes yes that's so whatever [TS]

  in a couple months later mom gets the boot it looks bad [TS]

  makes you wonder just how nervous and desperate they're behind the scenes [TS]

  because you wouldn't do that right if you gonna give given the boot before he [TS]

  doesn't you were gonna let the new guy do it right and how did he how did they [TS]

  let him go you know clearly I the reorg you know I don't know how much how much [TS]

  is that it's just paperwork yet how much the six months you will change your [TS]

  organization to be black and then it's actually changed and you just can't get [TS]

  it said it you can just cancel all the paperwork without actually reassigning [TS]

  people so bomber had been CEO for thirteen years and he had been at the [TS]

  company [TS]

  right-hand man to gates all along so we've been there since the company was [TS]

  you know 1313 fourteen people probably double digits I don't think that you [TS]

  know one thing I don't think Steve Ballmer was lacking in or even still is [TS]

  probably is confidence you know how much does a CEO who's been there for all [TS]

  along he's been CEO for 13 yrs clearly a pretty confident guy how much does he [TS]

  have to run by the Board before he gets through what I would guess something [TS]

  like the reorg is something he has to go to the board and say here's what I want [TS]

  to do I don't think that he can announced a company-wide reorganization [TS]

  without going to the board first but there is some kind of weird dynamic [TS]

  there where he went to the board presumably got the OK for it but at the [TS]

  same time the board must have already been thinking we want to ask this guy to [TS]

  step down it seems weird that they didn't you know say let's slow down on [TS]

  the reorg for a second we want to talk to you about something I don't [TS]

  understand there is a cancer is an area with this is good for my good side maybe [TS]

  maybe just did it without talking to the board I don't know but I like that that [TS]

  kinda makes business sense we publicly wanna shame I hate to make sports [TS]

  analogies were loved him but it's to me it's like a team of trouble and coach [TS]

  announces here's our new playbook for next year's third quarter of the [TS]

  fourteenth season and weaved we're gonna get these [TS]

  gonna sit the whole team up to fit this playbook thats new it's a totally [TS]

  different style of play them what you're talking about a totally different style [TS]

  play we're gonna switch to it [TS]

  gonna set the whole thing up for going to get all the players we gonna get [TS]

  players who fit this new style of play [TS]

  and oh by the way I'm not gonna be here next to the new coach and I you come in [TS]

  but we've already shuffled the team and reorganize the team yet at to me just a [TS]

  very bad about you don't get to set the play [TS]

  desperately try to follow you now you don't get to set up the play and then [TS]

  just walk away from the field in let's let somebody else a deal with the [TS]

  consequences but it seems it's backwards are you really want to pick the leader [TS]

  first and let the leaders at the organizational structure exactly like [TS]

  you structure gonna wait my hands of this and mr Conway good luck with it [TS]

  that's just crazy and even bomber in his belief is trying to remember the email [TS]

  wasn't lying and revelation and she might be needed three pair guess frankly [TS]

  I thought I thought he was unusually honest about the fact that he you know [TS]

  he didn't think you know now would not have been the time he would have picked [TS]

  that's the bit I was going to comment on heeey comes out and says that he wanted [TS]

  to do it [TS]

  leader at least halfway through the transition which even thats weird but [TS]

  the beginning she's weird anyway and now we're hearing the Bill Gates is facing [TS]

  pressure to step is not accompanied it's chaos like this I can't as much as his [TS]

  spent talking about Apple I think microsoft is the most interesting story [TS]

  and textures yeah because there's more drama I mean I think there is any [TS]

  salacious right I mean that in this is a technological powerhouse with a lot of [TS]

  talent that is clearly in turmoil I don't know [TS]

  the other big towel and this is the sort of thing where it because I don't follow [TS]

  Microsoft is closely I never even heard of the guy before back in April of this [TS]

  year Microsoft CFO Peter Klein announced his resignation as he wanted it had [TS]

  literally is the explanation he wanted to spend more time with his family which [TS]

  is you know sort of PR speak for I'm not gonna take it could be anything but MGC [TS]

  was the first one I remember where I was when the bomber resignation was [TS]

  announced he was like you know who's the first one to know you know a typical but [TS]

  it with it like a TV or movie reference but to know when winter is coming to you [TS]

  know sort of Game of Thrones MGS it heat up his sleeve [TS]

  you know what he means yeah I know people give him a hard time about his [TS]

  movie and TV references but he uses a min away where it saves a lot of words [TS]

  and you know what I like and I like you I just think he's like who knows of each [TS]

  the Great Lakes the CFO is the one who knows when bad news coming six months [TS]

  nine months from now which way the wind is blowing and publicly they only talk [TS]

  about what they just didn't in the last quarter and they give guidance for the [TS]

  next quarter I mean I think that's right yeah of course but behind the scenes he [TS]

  might have a better idea of what's going on [TS]

  yeah and you know and and they can say all they want that there you know not [TS]

  worried about the post-pc effect on PC sales but I mean it's been a long time [TS]

  since PC sales have grown quarter quarter they're drinking and that [TS]

  it's the sort of 50 to use this analogy it's the hemingway description of what [TS]

  is how do you go bankrupt and that you go bankrupt two ways [TS]

  slowly then quickly you know that the the pop in and windows licensing sales [TS]

  could happen very quickly and it's seems like before it would get dramatically [TS]

  bad what you would see is exactly what you've seen over the last year or two [TS]

  where it gets lonely bad city thing that's what's happening Microsoft is it [TS]

  it's their executive level and their most informed investors see the writing [TS]

  on the wall that's exactly what I think is happening I think the most informed [TS]

  investors I think that the reason the reorg was made in a way that I think it [TS]

  was contrary to Microsoft us you know the way they've been for 20 years and [TS]

  following who else Apple is about that writing on the wall like we don't know [TS]

  what else to try but to try this because it seems to be working for somebody and [TS]

  I think with the investors what they see is the only good thing about this [TS]

  company over the last 10 years has been the revenue they've had from the [TS]

  institutions of Windows PCs and office sales on top of those PCs and Enterprise [TS]

  Service money they also add whatever else you want to file into that but all [TS]

  of that is going [TS]

  based on people sitting at desks using Windows right i mean the client-side [TS]

  getting voted by Max Gradel whatever you've written books whatever you want [TS]

  to say and the services said getting invited by Google I totally understand [TS]

  that it is Microsoft's revenue and profit centers are way more complicated [TS]

  than it used to be where you really could you say it all just Windows and [TS]

  Office and its [TS]

  I totally understand that it's more complicated than that but I still think [TS]

  that all the stuff that makes it more complicated than that is still sitting [TS]

  on top of Windows PCs and I think that there's a lot of people who say that the [TS]

  bottoms is gonna drop out [TS]

  and I think that it's not a date necessarily think haiti existing team [TS]

  can't possibly be the ones who write this I think it's more or less but we've [TS]

  given them enough time and they've they've dropped the ball enough times [TS]

  that we're going to make a change so she gets go I don't know I don't know it's [TS]

  hard for me to say cuz I don't really know I really have no idea how involved [TS]

  he is well I do know that he's been a big supporter of bomber right but he's [TS]

  always at his bank so maybe it's one of those bombers clear lead let us into [TS]

  these words and it happened on you while we're yeah it's like now we're looking [TS]

  for a new CEO we don't want gays to be the one to pick the next year [TS]

  same thing where he's the one who left bomber stay as long as example but I [TS]

  frankly I can't imagine Microsoft without either bummer gauge it seemed to [TS]

  lose my mind and they're talking about getting it from 42 min Microsoft [TS]

  anything like a pet CCH alright silencer water right it just does not seem to me [TS]

  that they need somebody from outside tech you know I know what they need [TS]

  what do you think you need [TS]

  you know I'm tempted sailing jail orderly ask you something comes back but [TS]

  I mean that's because those names and I know you know what I like is the guy [TS]

  that does all presentations for the for the surface 21 guided on stage he does a [TS]

  great job [TS]

  yeah but I'm sure there's mostly just thinking to stage manage anything today [TS]

  so yeah what do you think they need I wonder I wonder if there's anything that [TS]

  they can do to stay relevant as the type of company that we talked about on shows [TS]

  like this right about blogs like you know to me the easiest out is an end to [TS]

  make investors happy and keep the stock footage to go the IBM room where you [TS]

  just sort of become consulting company and there's all sorts of money to be [TS]

  made the enterprise any still have you know all sorts of people in the [TS]

  enterprise you know and trust Microsoft products but to sort of fade fade from [TS]

  view as a consumer tech company right when his idea when's the last time IBM [TS]

  has done anything that you are I have taken note of my eye I can't remember [TS]

  IBM remains one of the most successful profitable and success you know their [TS]

  stock is successful that profits are high the revenues high earners contains [TS]

  the last time I paid attention to IBM where is always to walk for twenty years [TS]

  ago [TS]

  yeah I would say it was probably for me last time I remember paying attention to [TS]

  him was when they still own the ThinkPad brand and yeah but it's been [TS]

  I just you know and I wasn't like I was buying ThinkPad but I always thought and [TS]

  still good quality hardware right I still think in general I've seen them in [TS]

  Cape Town wherever they say Obama makes good laptops that have had to use a [TS]

  laptop other than a MacBook it probably had to just pick a brand but but IBM's [TS]

  been out of the game for a while but I did that sort of route of you know sort [TS]

  of getting away from consumer technology and off this train of chasing this one [TS]

  solution I can think and I can't help but think too that if they were to hire [TS]

  the Ford guide that that's what they're talking about he would need a Microsoft [TS]

  Word lou gerstner was to IBM yeah it was in his interest in Iraq I mean that [TS]

  companies tanking and he fired for the first time in their history he laid off [TS]

  a bunch of people I'm not change the wrong the wrong way to go but for the [TS]

  enthusiasts the people who read the Virgin really like Microsoft products [TS]

  that people who read Paul throws people like you and I will not fun last time [TS]

  we'd do you know the name of an IBM executive [TS]

  right and you know but I could see them you know I know that Blackberry goes to [TS]

  the way to his chains on airliners at least you know you going down fighting [TS]

  at that point on the other hand though at least at this point with the current [TS]

  board and leadership it certainly doesn't seem like Microsoft's current [TS]

  leadership even with bomber on the way out is thinking the net weight like [TS]

  doesn't cause if they were there is no way they would be you know trying to [TS]

  acquire Nokia's handset business [TS]

  it's you know Microsoft as it stands today [TS]

  wants to fight they want to they want to get ahead of Android and market share [TS]

  and they want to compete get ahead of Apple terms of you know popularity [TS]

  branding and the creepiest things about that bedbugs right but one of the [TS]

  creepiest things about that bomb video ways the signage in the background like [TS]

  above this sort of the first row of seats did you notice it no I don't think [TS]

  so [TS]

  so tall blue and it's it's like a banner ad and it's it's Microsoft call and [TS]

  can't hold us which is weirdly defensive I don't like it we're getting picked on [TS]

  boot we're not going to we have got to stop going to keep fighting to keep [TS]

  fighting sort of message can't hold us in places somebody's trying to hold you [TS]

  down and they're not going to succeed in its that's a weird mentally to be [TS]

  sticking on a banner [TS]

  upstart you copies that's it's [TS]

  funny it's it's a rival leading can't hold us I don't know somebody's getting [TS]

  held down in like having a fit right failure doesn't sit right with anybody [TS]

  maybe failure is well in some regards some of the products have done recently [TS]

  which i think that they were totally serious and put a lot of wood behind the [TS]

  arrows you know like surface I i know i think it is fair to describe surfaces of [TS]

  failure windows I was on the show with you right after the announcer surface [TS]

  things and we both like the surface RT better than the service so totally can [TS]

  you give me too and attacked but in her defense I think we both want to call it [TS]

  the Metro tablet isn't there something else and get reminders to us I still [TS]

  think I think the biggest problem with the whole surface two things that [TS]

  they've stuck with the door you know we don't understand that i dont i dont get [TS]

  it I think I would have rather have killed bedrm version version or just [TS]

  kill I I would have preferred that they stick with the arm and RT version as a [TS]

  product I like that better right [TS]

  outcome given the previous generation pick one of the other great I would be [TS]

  saying the last time even if they just took two of them through my up in the [TS]

  air and whichever one the glass didn't break we'll have one more pic I mean [TS]

  flip a coin but just put put all of your wood behind one of those hours and i [TS]

  cant believe too that that I can see how they launched a year ago with both [TS]

  because I wanted to keep them secret so they didn't talk to people about it but [TS]

  then after they came out and how much palpable confusion there was over what [TS]

  the hell the difference between them and even vaguely interested in one which one [TS]

  should you buy [TS]

  that they didn't realize army and we really screwed this up because people [TS]

  have no idea what the differences between these two things even know the [TS]

  difference is actually pretty significant I can't believe they do that [TS]

  themselves cassini more than Windows right and they named both these things [TS]

  surface even though they're very different they gave him like almost [TS]

  identical names and they run literally run different operating systems that [TS]

  look the same I could almost forgive that of him six service metro and [TS]

  service windows I don't mean they even that's a bit confusing but at least [TS]

  you're describing the device in the USA is running you know maybe maybe Windows [TS]

  Phone maybe failures a bad word for that it's it's having trouble getting [TS]

  traction but it's not zero it seems like it's at least growing a little bit [TS]

  BlackBerry is right [TS]

  definitely has heat and I did and I really thought this software was total [TS]

  mass I thought the hardware was pretty interesting they did a pretty good job [TS]

  at the software was so bad I really can't do the the axe the axe stink the [TS]

  software stack is pretty decent it but if you and then you swipe up to sort of [TS]

  get into the task switcher so it moves into basically like a card like sort of [TS]

  a web of lies covered the camera as you panning around the camera still active [TS]

  down to occurred to me it's it's live updating while you switching we talked [TS]

  about you know what you think [TS]

  from you know it's very serious computer science underneath and yeah I've got a [TS]

  good stack and [TS]

  awful implementation of any kind of ass and in the you know there's some [TS]

  conceptual stuff that you know like going left to get the all messages view [TS]

  it's just shows like a universal inbox of everything but it's not really a nap [TS]

  it's just you've gone left and now here is all your messages to seems like some [TS]

  kind it's one of those things where they're headed to this idea that [TS]

  Blackberry devices all about being communicator first messaging app first [TS]

  so how do you do that well from anywhere you just go after you've got this weird [TS]

  mix in box we can do some stuff you can't assume other stuff and that they [TS]

  would have come out with it two years ago [TS]

  those three years but for this year's to have the pieces he just can't he [TS]

  couldn't do that had to stick to get into a minute they're gone now what's [TS]

  your advice for Microsoft I think Microsoft in credit I think microsoft is [TS]

  his success story I think they've won if you look at the original mission [TS]

  statement it was a PC on every desk did succeed he stayed widely succeeded and [TS]

  then they didn't know what to do next I think they need to figure out what to do [TS]

  next I think they missed you know they told me sort of flood the PC market so [TS]

  that miss their I think they need somebody with a good vision to try to [TS]

  figure out what the next over the top goal is that they can try to aim for you [TS]

  think you have the talent you know to to build the weird given that video the [TS]

  crazy cultish passion to get there I just think they need to know what that [TS]

  is I don't know I don't that is I think if they if they wanted my ten seconds of [TS]

  consulting advice i would tell them [TS]

  I think that they need to be focused on who they're the competitor that really [TS]

  hurt them is into me it's Google not Apple not that Apple's success hasn't [TS]

  been somewhat at their expense but that it's worth organized and they're never [TS]

  gonna be out in the things that Apple's best never gonna be good to see Google [TS]

  because they undercut they basically quantized operating systems they [TS]

  commoditized operating systems and their commoditized during office type [TS]

  applications with docs and stuff like that and that the you know that they've [TS]

  got institutions like schools that are buying based on something other than [TS]

  design and quality of just how nice the stuff is they've got them using you know [TS]

  get all the kids on Google Docs yeah but I disagree with you on that because what [TS]

  can they do ok so you focus on Google what he can do given in with your tree [TS]

  that's doesn't suit a business model you know like I don't think they need to be [TS]

  figuring out Google has gotten their business they need a new business you [TS]

  know what I think I think the biggest mistake Microsoft made in the last 10 [TS]

  years honestly and I've I think I've mentioned this before but I think the [TS]

  biggest mistake they made was that somewhere around 2008 or so they should [TS]

  have focused on shipping versions of Internet Explorer for Windows that [TS]

  blocked all advertising any and all advertising by the fall just to cut [TS]

  their off it from Google is that was the way michael c 2008 slate but you have to [TS]

  give that and you know and I may well have found themselves back in court yet [TS]

  and you know what and in the old days when that happened then they'd financial [TS]

  aid fight it and by the time even if they lost by the time they were no [TS]

  matter what no matter because Google would have been dried up time they [TS]

  needed to cut off advertising to Google was the thing that I think God's [TS]

  Microsoft the most is a Google 2006 I think that almost all of this money that [TS]

  made Google what Google is today came from people using Windows PCs and a day [TS]

  you know and I think a lot of them are using most of them were using IE and [TS]

  they could have just said it couldn't they wouldn't have to come and say we're [TS]

  going to block Google as issues said you know as a great new feature in that [TS]

  locker right its ad blocker built into its on by default it saves you know 20% [TS]

  battery life every time I don't know maybe at this point in time it is too [TS]

  late I don't know how you compete it is it's just for the record I don't mine [TS]

  had bloggers I don't believe I don't have to think that would have really [TS]

  cripple said Google yeah but that was the old Microsoft could you know they've [TS]

  cut off the air supply what was the heir to google it was ads being shown to [TS]

  users yeah I think that would have been about this I think it probably would [TS]

  have been the right move in there here's what happens when they let somebody [TS]

  growing it is you know and I do think I think a lot of people get confused [TS]

  everybody wants to pit Android against iOS and its market share [TS]

  hundred really is hurt is hurt the whole idea of a licensed operating system they [TS]

  use cell from money because now there is what's the price to get totally [TS]

  professional robust modern operating system for a computing device not sure [TS]

  that's entirely fair microsoft said at first because i get charged for Windows [TS]

  but they had these crazy deals where even if you didn't ship Windows on your [TS]

  PC you would pay for Windows anyway you don't you gonna get to guess it get to [TS]

  jail G on the show I should you and you alone getting outbid save me in montana [TS]

  show [TS]

  wants to show he's the regular host I always forget you just getting other [TS]

  weeks let's wrap it up when you wear let me think Microsoft at one point [TS]

  commanded such power in the PC industry that it could force PC manufacturers to [TS]

  give it money even if they didn't ship windows right that was right and that [TS]

  was the terms it effectively crippled BOS right and and that's why I'm saying [TS]

  you should see right let's make up the numbers but it was something like if you [TS]

  agreed to the good contract with Microsoft letting you run Dell Compaq [TS]

  the good contract says every PC you sell dollars in that it doesn't say every PC [TS]

  with Windows every PC [TS]

  you give Microsoft 50 bucks or if you just want a paper copy of Windows well [TS]

  that'll cost you $150 per PC and so crippling and then if you agreed to the [TS]

  one that only $50 but it's for every PC and me on my PC company we take the [TS]

  other one cuz we only want to pay for actual windows are using we might want [TS]

  to ship some of our PCs with Linux or with B or whatever other OS or maybe you [TS]

  know call Apple and see if we get a patent license as a copy for Intel $300 [TS]

  behind on every single Windows PC we sell which is right now our bread and [TS]

  butter on a quarterly basis and $100 per PC [TS]

  you couldn't you couldn't afford that kind of thing so everybody agreed to the [TS]

  other one will definitely crippled BOS [TS]

  and while I don't believe I was using it at the time but Linux and FreeBSD and [TS]

  all that on the desktop would not there yet you're using be I know I used a few [TS]

  BSD the time they weren't there yet major desktop operating systems and as [TS]

  much it is funny to laugh at like has two years to Linux on the desktop no [TS]

  they weren't there yet but in a lot of ways environment just was not could not [TS]

  support that kind of film and because it is kind of weird sweeter deals in my [TS]

  head with the manufacturer's yeah he was the example that sort approved it and [TS]

  NBC actually be never quite got there in terms of having the whole software stack [TS]

  there but they had enough they had enough I mean it was a real compelling [TS]

  they could have had a good way better than windows super 90 definitely in a [TS]

  way more modern than Mac OS Mac OS and you know it certainly would have been [TS]

  compelling enough with Microsoft in have those deals some number of Dell and [TS]

  Compaq PCs would have been sold [TS]

  who knows what percentage in 0345 but that's how something starts short as [TS]

  Microsoft you I think they need a vision I think we need to figure out what the [TS]

  hell is going to do honestly I think that their efforts in consumer [TS]

  electronics mostly by the Xbox combined with this weird thing that they're [TS]

  really good at doing that instead of the people don't appreciate ya [TS]

  disclosure you've been responsible is this your guys but they do a good job as [TS]

  isn't here as I say I said is your people wrote in and said i mispronounced [TS]

  it never mispronounce it in French media it's fine [TS]

  Xbox life is good day have a good one of the first six bucks ship $10.99 yeah so [TS]

  they've got a long history of integrating consumer hardware with [TS]

  back-end services and that's where the world is these days I think I think of [TS]

  infection with Windows is sort of led by bomber but it's kind of lead them down [TS]

  the you know it's almost been putting him out to pasture they need to focus on [TS]

  things that have two attributes that a that they can be the best in the world [TS]

  yes be that have a bigger future ahead of them than their present and that's [TS]

  the problem with Windows Windows future is smaller than the present yeah windows [TS]

  is not helping but anything that doesn't qualify for both of those things they [TS]

  should scratch off the list yes so maybe you know again it could be like an enemy [TS]

  of my enemy is my friend where if they're focused on Google as their [TS]

  primary enemy you know in terms of you know integrated services and stuff like [TS]

  that and companies that just run the back end stuff on Google [TS]

  working with apple or at least 90 min maybe even working with Apple but [TS]

  working with just assume that there's going to be institutions that have an [TS]

  awful lot of iPhone users but making backend services that work great for [TS]

  iPhone users there's money that I still don't think that there what will happen [TS]

  in any way I don't think so either but I feel like buying Nokia confuses that I [TS]

  don't know no more than like Apple's iPhones or office and Microsoft's Nokia [TS]

  phones I would say this I think that they should set themselves up and I [TS]

  think very near future they should set themselves up for how can a profit in a [TS]

  world where awful lot of people at the high end of the market whether their [TS]

  consumers or whether their enterprise users who are using iPhones and iPads [TS]

  are so also using Microsoft products right don't set them up the thing that I [TS]

  think that bomber might have blended into his world where they somehow want [TS]

  to stop the iPhone and iPad and defeat them you know they almost need like that [TS]

  Steve Jobs moment where you know 90710 Gate on-screen macro and said look we [TS]

  have to get past the idea that Microsoft has to lose for Apple to win but I think [TS]

  Microsoft needs the exact opposite to get past the idea that Apple needs to [TS]

  lose from Microsoft exactly well I don't I don't know you you seem fixated on [TS]

  this idea that Microsoft Certified apple and I'm not sure that that's why are [TS]

  they making things like the surface and I don't think is to fight Microsoft and [TS]

  i think is to fight apple pie I think it's and then you used showed it [TS]

  yourself where Apple makes more money like more revenue despite signing [TS]

  hardware then Microsoft and Google dude spelling like signs software [TS]

  I think Blair higher marks which is the remarkable thing which is weird and [TS]

  crazy and I think I don't think Microsoft necessarily want to fuel the [TS]

  phone that will destroy the iPhone I think they want a portion of the market [TS]

  well I don't think I don't know that they can get that kind of need to plan [TS]

  for failing in that regard [TS]

  yeah I I honestly think that they should be teaming up with Apple's much possible [TS]

  to be beat the prize fighting back into Yahoo should be doing the same as I [TS]

  think there's a lot of that where you know and I really do mean it and I know [TS]

  you know trying to say that Apple is you know touchy-feely hippie company that [TS]

  just wants to get along with everybody else but I still think that I still [TS]

  think back to the original iPhone introduction when Steve Jobs had Eric [TS]

  Schmidt from Google come up on stage that Apple didn't want to do all the [TS]

  online stuff well you know how to make the culo ass and will will you know will [TS]

  work with you i think there's a lot of opportunities there for Microsoft may be [TS]

  boring that's but I've got a good way to wrap this up to talking to you at [TS]

  AllThingsD [TS]

  when Bill Gates and Steve Jobs on stage with Kerry and his team wanted that's [TS]

  that's great [TS]

  sometime in the future each was asked what they ended about the other company [TS]

  bill Gates said he envied jobs as sensitive taste [TS]

  and Steve said he envied Microsoft's ability to partner with other people and [TS]

  that if he had had that ability [TS]

  early on in his life things would have been different and he thinks he would [TS]

  have forced a stronger company [TS]

  i think thats asked I think that's very astute analysis of the company's I think [TS]

  microsoft is great at making partners I think historically they've kind of ship [TS]

  them every now and then when they needed to which is not good but I think Apple [TS]

  is little bit timid about it but I do think of both of these companies and and [TS]

  Yahoo in a couple of other companies are going to continue to succeed in 20 [TS]

  they're going to need to swallow their pride and partnerships I curse because [TS]

  that is the show I'll also say this I will say this out loud on that I also [TS]

  think that Google today is more like the Microsoft of old in terms of seemingly [TS]

  having a mindset of we can do it all ourselves just walking down my awesome [TS]

  ending no no I'm kidding yeah no i agree [TS]

  less less interested in partnerships with any other company than anybody else [TS]

  and tech today even Apple which is weird right i mean apples to LinkedIn LinkedIn [TS]

  logo and my Mac OS 10 happy with it exactly right but they have facebook [TS]

  building and Linkedin and I know that I've when I bring this up under [TS]

  incredible people say we don't need those things built into Android because [TS]

  it has this sharing features between apps that when you install the Facebook [TS]

  app has not entered its not untrue that they have great to have that but it [TS]

  doesn't see the point that when you just right out of the factory your eyes on [TS]

  Twitter logo and a LinkedIn logo says something about Apple's relationship [TS]

  with those companies that well ideally I want to see first among equals but I [TS]

  would [TS]

  if Apple is more open with sharing services I would totally I think I [TS]

  honestly think they think they've figured out how to do it yet but anyway [TS]

  somewhere in there is an opportunity for Microsoft a big up and write English [TS]

  thank you for being there is gonna be a short show [TS]