The Talk Show

59: A Dog Named Maverick

 

  you had a rough week this week huh well with the baseball baseball and then you [TS]

  got owned by colossus just one after another [TS]

  cares who has some tiny tiny men exactly I mean I dont care im not superstitious [TS]

  superstitions are for Red as he says everything you need Nova Red Sox fans [TS]

  they did you know when they built the new Yankee Stadium a couple years ago [TS]

  there was some goofball guy in the construction crew who apparently are [TS]

  supposedly purportedly reputedly put a Red Sox jersey in like I provide a [TS]

  concrete thing you know [TS]

  boorda columnist Dan and then they went up like ripping it out or something I [TS]

  don't even know it was there who does stuff like that they were cursed at 86 [TS]

  years or whatever it was they didn't curse they just stunk that's it do is it [TS]

  superstitious Red Sox fans who thought it was a curse [TS]

  whereas Yankee fans to said you know there are they stank [TS]

  good team this year though good team my elderly relatives and call the Yankees [TS]

  bombs always the bombs those bombs always way but they were Yankee fans [TS]

  yeah he's the bombs huh I thought I was that there was also what they used to [TS]

  call the the Brooklyn Dodgers yeah I think it's what every person who grow in [TS]

  our new york city seventy years ago there are bumps [TS]

  big week for you last week do you got to review our aim yeah spending all his [TS]

  podcasts on demand we gonna have here are our little you know the media and on [TS]

  a call the ecosphere call it but they know the way that there's a bunch of [TS]

  Kamal maybe well but it's more than that though there's also people who aren't [TS]

  cabal implies that where there's a plan and there's not yet exactly it's just [TS]

  you know that there are now shows and there's more websites and stuff like [TS]

  that but a lot of people have shows and now you can we can we as you know indeed [TS]

  whatever we ours but when we have something big in new come out when I had [TS]

  Vesper come out last year you when you know you've got the big really it's [TS]

  called them reviews but they're almost like short concise books if you think of [TS]

  them as short concise books they don't seem so long but now we can do what like [TS]

  actors do when the movie comes out as you go on a bunch of shows and you let [TS]

  people know yeah I'm I'm hoping that like when I try to do is gonna have to [TS]

  do that so I don't have to go on all the shows that I don't want to go on it is [TS]

  go on the shows that I do wanna go on and that narrows down considerably [TS]

  like it I don't feel compelled to just you know tons and tons of offers I can i [TS]

  cum on her own and that is always you know offers here and there but it seems [TS]

  this comes out everybody wants to PC on I have two luxury unlike the people of [TS]

  the Gulf promote a movie to write to pick and choose the right so but like so [TS]

  you not gonna go on guy English is stupid show now I know I will just like [TS]

  I couldn't I like literally couldn't fit in the schedule you know what time do a [TS]

  podcast I have like after the kids are in bed and even then usually only on [TS]

  weekdays and just you know when I'm booked up on bucked up five slots [TS]

  weekend and doing five things a night of my life angry so I can believe that [TS]

  trying to get that under control my wife bangers should be happier so how would I [TS]

  do it has a reaction gone to the to the review was good I guess people started [TS]

  taking for granted like I think it you know I think it's been tapering off the [TS]

  past few years in terms of just attention on the Mac at all and so the [TS]

  people who like it's still really really like it like that's my that's my core [TS]

  audience of the people who do like what I do really really like it but then [TS]

  everyone else like this thing around I guess like if you look at the the [TS]

  histogram of [TS]

  that's what up until like pages quote-unquote pages but not really a [TS]

  good look at the histogram of who visits you know the first page second page [TS]

  third page of whatever looks like a big you ship tons of people that the first [TS]

  page and tons of people read the last page and people who read the middle not [TS]

  so much so it's always been like that but now you don't just does well a lot [TS]

  of people read it but I think just the interested in general is people are as [TS]

  excited in Amenas attempt one-tenth major release like you know it's like I [TS]

  did I guess they're still doing that Mac thing let's learn about it a little bit [TS]

  and that everything about doing for iOS to [TS]

  I don't want to do them for iOS I don't feel like I mean I do the MCA's I've got [TS]

  a history in 1984 and everything I've been an iOS users since pretty much they [TS]

  want to win just doesn't feel the same to me you know doesn't is not that's not [TS]

  my thang some kid who was 12 years old and 2007 should be doing these iowa's [TS]

  reviews you know I mean like home [TS]

  iOS is that that seminal technology moment in their life after me that was [TS]

  the Mac whether it's not I was not that for me lol if you look at my reviews iOS [TS]

  is just like the shadow that looms over the entire thing because it's hard to [TS]

  even talk about the Mac without you know comparing comparing it to iOS and [TS]

  thinking about how it is a reaction to our west or how I was maybe reaction to [TS]

  what it's doing like it's impossible to do [TS]

  interview without talking about ISO I do but I wouldn't want to review the OS [TS]

  proper yet so you know the words it's it's it's your obsession with Pakistan [TS]

  that drives it does not just you want to be it's not just that you want to have a [TS]

  big comprehensive review of something that Apple's done it this is the daily [TS]

  you really you know your your mind just naturally latches onto wanting to know [TS]

  all these details and I like and I like Max better like things you can do with [TS]

  them in a lot of the technology things I'm talking about like they're probably [TS]

  equivalents and iOS or they may have started IRS or whatever but maybe it's [TS]

  because I have more back on but it seems like a lot of these things I can get [TS]

  more technical info about the details of OS 10 from Apple doesn't going to be a [TS]

  recession so much more likely to see some in-depth and users and developers [TS]

  really don't need to know that information but they're gonna talk [TS]

  they're going to talk about it in a presentation then you would for iOS and [TS]

  I guess [TS]

  jailbreak ios Center in there with the buggers and poking and prodding it could [TS]

  do a similar type of thing but Apple is not offering up that information as [TS]

  readily as they have historically offered it up for the magazine is like [TS]

  the dev tools and stuff which is common to all platforms and that could be in [TS]

  and I was worried just as easily as an artist interview but I like the you know [TS]

  weird things in this post I know stan has involved the more like its older and [TS]

  so if you look back even though I 07 as big radical break if you compare you [TS]

  know iOS will 136 and then seven that's just like the first quarter of West [TS]

  End's history of the way it's changed and how just look and feel interface [TS]

  technologies underpinning everything that the time before Iowa's existed [TS]

  compared to the time after I was 10 has been through a lot because I was still a [TS]

  spring chicken so it's maybe not as interesting from a historical [TS]

  perspective quite yet [TS]

  one thing that stuck out to me and part of it is the fact that this is the 10th [TS]

  one and that makes the math a lot easier is you can divide and just sort of [TS]

  figure well over the lifetime of Mac OS two even write it sometimes even I know [TS]

  it's hard I tried I am trying to train myself out of it it's like one of those [TS]

  ways around its coverage only cause to me that putting the Mac in Mac OS 10 it [TS]

  just jumps out at you and there's no confusion whereas with iOS and OS 10 it [TS]

  is it's all about that OS and to me it's one of those then then I can get [TS]

  confused and I would write the wrong one or if I'm reading somebody else's read [TS]

  it the wrong way up on reading and like everyone read so much into dropping of [TS]

  the Mac and I still don't quite understand the thinking behind it [TS]

  doesn't just the basic like well it's it's 11 fewer words simplification right [TS]

  but they can drop the mappings then you could have a stint on on Mac platforms [TS]

  and you know fast-forward like four years and like now I'm not so much [TS]

  yeah there and I was one of those ones and God bless my readers but I was like [TS]

  one of those ones where it was I mean like 30 or 40 emails over the next day [TS]

  or two from people who all suggesting the same thing that it meant that Apple [TS]

  was gonna license tho asked to you know probably not everybody but maybe like [TS]

  just for example just Dell Dell make me like I could knows you know who knows [TS]

  how these asians come to pass but you know there was that brief moment where [TS]

  they were trying to say Oosten was like the common platform Mac OS 10 or iPhone [TS]

  OS Mac OS tend to like three days when that was the case and then they [TS]

  backpedaled and then later you know took off the Mac again like you know it could [TS]

  be preparing for possibly doing that are running in the US and something that's [TS]

  not a Mac because it's like a TV thing or would like who knows what you know [TS]

  but they just it seems to have a mind of its own psyche what we're doing this [TS]

  name change and if if the name change was really going to be linked to higher [TS]

  licensing at you think will be announced at the same time it's not like you you [TS]

  change the name first and then announced a licensing later [TS]

  so the name change like has a life of its own and it's one of those things [TS]

  where Apple able to explain why you're trying to ask Apple about you know what [TS]

  to do with like the new iPad when you know and they were just they you know I [TS]

  was like talking to her political anyway it was like talking points yeah they all [TS]

  said the same thing they like you know we have a speech every time you ask us [TS]

  we just like to call the new iPad like they're reading from an index card right [TS]

  but it's in a way that is utterly a a part of nonpartisan is nothing to do [TS]

  with left-to-right liberal conservative Republican Democrat all of them are the [TS]

  same here when you get one of them in public especially like on a campaign for [TS]

  election day you just cannot knock them off the talking points even if you have [TS]

  a question that none of the talking points [TS]

  answer will just pick one of them in it and then end up like a non sequitur it [TS]

  while Apple is as disciplined or even more disciplined than political [TS]

  campaigns at the top of their game because some political campaigns you [TS]

  know good reporters can can you know trip them up or whatever but the very [TS]

  best most efficient political machines cannot be tripped up and they speak with [TS]

  one voice and they stick to the talking points and execute this strategy and [TS]

  it's like talking to a brick wall I mean you know who cares for products and a [TS]

  big deal with Apple implies that strategy to great effect so they don't [TS]

  want to explain why they changed names they're not going to and in the grand [TS]

  scheme of things it doesn't really matter so we're just left to you know [TS]

  scratch our heads and go well call now so I have a little background on that [TS]

  and it's not definitive and i cant you know it's it's off the record and again [TS]

  it's not definitive so I could be wrong but somebody that was telling me that [TS]

  they had the name iPad Aaron mind all along or at least you know like this [TS]

  product was on the road map for a while and then you don't want to call it [TS]

  iPad air but that wanting to call this year's new full-size iPad there when [TS]

  they could make it this size in this way [TS]

  was why they stopped putting the numbers after [TS]

  iPad 3 and four because they felt like if they did two more iPads with numbers [TS]

  it would create it would make the iPad air when I come out of it wasn't called [TS]

  the five make it seem like it I I think they over think stuff like this that it [TS]

  would you know that once you get two for it would have to be 5 to be better than [TS]

  before but they didn't want to call it that they want to call it there so they [TS]

  just stopped just had too much but they didn't but everybody I just call them [TS]

  everybody else I we call them the iPad 3 and iPad for ya like that that strategy [TS]

  whether they thought it was a good idea or not like all they did was traded a [TS]

  future scenario in which people expected number that's one big in the previous [TS]

  number for a more present scenario right people had almost all the same stuff [TS]

  happened when it was the new iPad and so all that stuff that happened that's what [TS]

  they were trying to avoid it was shifted forward in time but just like whatever [TS]

  you know I think it's reasonable to take the numbers off the thing but if it was [TS]

  their strategy to like we don't we don't want that burden on top of the air we [TS]

  want that burden now on top of the iPad 3 you got what you wanted in the flip [TS]

  side of that too is it makes me think that they're going to stick with the [TS]

  numbers for the iPhone if they thought about that and they didn't want to have [TS]

  these numbers and not you know eventually go away for the iPad then why [TS]

  would why are they still numbering iPhones so while you wait wait wait for [TS]

  the drop a number of the iPhone and then you know three years later the iPhone [TS]

  air this can be a thickness of a credit card is gonna exactly that's a good way [TS]

  to maybe I also think in general that not that they're not good at naming [TS]

  things but they're not good at explaining why they need things I think [TS]

  even to themselves that they just you know even without Steve Jobs there even [TS]

  as it goes on it's sort of you know they just picked names that feel right [TS]

  whether there's any sense to it or not they don't care or names that feel wrong [TS]

  like MacBook [TS]

  Marcus talking about now I mean it's you know you get used to anything anything [TS]

  but like you just have to judge a name like when you first see it and say is [TS]

  this name have any awkward aspect of it that's weird and what am i training that [TS]

  awkwardness for my train that awkwardness for better brand name [TS]

  recognition for the word mac we just took it out of the OS names I'm not sure [TS]

  what the grand strategy is their iPod and iPad relying on this you know [TS]

  different vowel sound and very similar looking letters to distinguish not the [TS]

  greatest but you know it worked out in the end like iPod Touch people call it [TS]

  the itouch like it's kind of a mess and in the end the names don't matter that [TS]

  much but certainly I would say naming is not consistent naming is not Apple [TS]

  structure you know you had to pick a weakness that's where we are recording [TS]

  us on Halloween evening I was out trick-or-treating with the boy and his [TS]

  friends earlier this evening when they had kids dads who knows what I do ask me [TS]

  he says he wants to get a new 13 inch notebook or laptop or whatever and [TS]

  wanted to know which one you should get a book or the MacBook Pro and never I [TS]

  don't think I've ever heard that one before the name if you're not in if you [TS]

  don't follow the stuff that sounds and they'll get in the front of them this AM [TS]

  certain areas like in the mix [TS]

  sometimes there's mac and is a pad and pods and people don't know people don't [TS]

  care I think I could answer form I think I think that's become a very easy [TS]

  decision to make just a little bit off topic here but to choose which MacBook [TS]

  to buy if you're I think I think if you spend a lot of time running off the [TS]

  battery you should get there [TS]

  air and if you spend most of your time with the AC cord plugged in and you [TS]

  should spend the extra couple hundred bucks and get that pro I think the [TS]

  screen is still a factor in my mind I get the Pens of you think people care [TS]

  but I think even regular people who know what a bad viewing angle is like they [TS]

  don't they can't articulate it but the life you know it it's the case that a [TS]

  lot of people still can't tell you anything written and unwritten but [TS]

  everybody can tell the difference between you know I P S and TN panels [TS]

  like they just you know the screen doesn't quite look as good as if you had [TS]

  a slightly off angle that's that's the one remaining weakness of the area and I [TS]

  still recommend it was so much easier to recommend it when none of the none of [TS]

  the machines are right now I'd like there is that there was a honeymoon [TS]

  period where which laptop max I get the default answer was 13 inch air and you [TS]

  know and then you get his wall from there and now it's like 13 inch air but [TS]

  have you seen the screen on the 13 inch red not even before the revisions that's [TS]

  those things look so nice and if you're gonna be spending all day looking at the [TS]

  actual laptop screen especially now that 13 inch you know an on-air is getting so [TS]

  thin it's it's a harder decision [TS]

  yeah it's pretty comfortable to like maybe I'm a little off but I think it's [TS]

  getting pretty close to the weight of the original Thirteen age there's as I [TS]

  quite there but like if you like I guess I just imagine the original air but it [TS]

  didn't taper [TS]

  sorry just stuff with extra battery like a bazillion times faster better battery [TS]

  life and you know everything else so much better but let me take a timeout [TS]

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  between each one if you have more than one and all the max you sign into on the [TS]

  same account what's the advantage of it while it's your device you control it [TS]

  you know where it is and there is no cloud component the only part that [TS]

  online that these guys do is the magic to sort of poke holes through your [TS]

  router your you know your home network your office network they don't do any [TS]

  storage though all they do is connect sort of the peer-to-peer basis just sort [TS]

  of get you through the you know what he called the firewall whatever you want to [TS]

  call it the router my time I seen this right on fire while he got a final they [TS]

  don't store your stuff on any kind of cloud-based system and I can't imagine I [TS]

  says her attorneys guys come on I I really can't imagine the the i mean it's [TS]

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  stuff like that that's going on with leaks coming every single week I can't [TS]

  even imagine for thought that went into them launching this product about a year [TS]

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  your distributed ubiquitous everywhere you go [TS]

  file storage they have an app for the iPhone so you can use that you can [TS]

  connect to your stuff from wherever you are even on your phone too great product [TS]

  really as works very simply very quietly it's just it it completely unobtrusive [TS]

  piece of hardware that is one thing I was 18 when I first heard about it [TS]

  months ago my first thought was what do I really want to hook up I'm lazy I [TS]

  really am and older I get the laser really wanna hook up some kinda [TS]

  complicated you know piece of storage hardware this thing is adorably little [TS]

  cute i mean it's you know fits in the palm of your hand very simple to setup [TS]

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  cheap you can do things what was the starting cost for this thing done you [TS]

  know as you say this point your show to 299 I think of the new one that doesn't [TS]

  have the hard drive into the cheaper than they do sell empty one that you can [TS]

  supply your own hard drive for something like that there's one you can get 1 to [TS]

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  $99 that's the little park shape on as a little punk ship one to find anything I [TS]

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  did buy the thing and really it's it's great if you're a nerd you want to buy [TS]

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  otherwise you can get one from them at all set up ready to go right out of the [TS]

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  partnership one looks adorable reminds me of the old Griffin thing member that [TS]

  Griffin [TS]

  other big knob turned or something yeah it was like this it was this hardware [TS]

  thing you plug in USB and or is it so cold that it was ADB I think it was a [TS]

  big with USB and it was just to you does dial and you can like software you could [TS]

  make it [TS]

  control your volume you could if you wanted instead you can have it scroll [TS]

  would ever after in Kabul with it I'm sure you could you must have been able [TS]

  to be criminal not to leave play kaboom that was my favorite one of my favorite [TS]

  games for 2600 was a very good game there is a there was a whole there any [TS]

  way you want to call that there is a huge honour of classic video games which [TS]

  was going side to side caching things [TS]

  dial control electives could be just be childhood no rosy rose-colored childhood [TS]

  memory but I would love for someone to hook one of those things up to find like [TS]

  a TV with IRF interface and everything [TS]

  i hook up with period correct hardware and see what is the latency between when [TS]

  you turn that little analog knob and when you know the image moves on the [TS]

  screen it just felt like you were directly connected wired up to that [TS]

  little stack of things trying to catch up as they fall maybe the leg was [TS]

  horrendous and I just don't remember because I was so young but in my memory [TS]

  that was the most responsive I move part of my body and an image moves on the [TS]

  screen interface that I can remember Tory called it the paddle right they [TS]

  call them that that controller maybe that was the only device will maybe [TS]

  there's a newer ones that come but it was one of the weird things about or is [TS]

  it came with two sets of controllers you had said a joy sticks and a set of [TS]

  powell as it was for two totally different games are types of games my [TS]

  favorite of the genre was circus atari remember that one does not ring a bell [TS]

  who it was a really good one it was the same type of thing is you were a clown [TS]

  on a teeter totter and it just went side to side and then you add a partner who [TS]

  would jump on a trampoline to start and you had to catch him and you know you [TS]

  had to catch him on the upside of the teeter totter and then he would shoot [TS]

  you up in the air and then you'd be the No [TS]

  disco side to side and they were balloons to pop it was breakout really [TS]

  but instead of you know I don't know what the premise and breakout is your [TS]

  work [TS]

  clouds popping balloons yeah my my one friend with the 2600 must not have had [TS]

  that game it was good and it didn't look good it sounded so stupid because of [TS]

  spaceships too many guns you know the box you know showed you that you were a [TS]

  clown so is one of those 14 we got it right when we got our family 2600 for [TS]

  Christmas but I never played it and one day I was home sick like the flu or [TS]

  something miss school and I was sick and not now I was sick but I was also [TS]

  tired bored of all the games I had and then I realized there is the circus star [TS]

  game that it never really played in and put it in and had like us like seven [TS]

  continuous hours just played it look it up is a good one but it would be if it [TS]

  was absolutely dependent upon the panel would make any sense of the joystick [TS]

  yeah I think the latency was pretty good on his things I seem to recall that you [TS]

  can get it was really you can get very precise I don't think I don't think [TS]

  there was much again I we could just be the haze of twenty thirty 30 years she's [TS]

  of memories but it seems that you know is very simple [TS]

  you know there wasn't much going on there wasn't much processing going on I [TS]

  mean it was just electrical impulses from the paddle into the thing and then [TS]

  do shoot-em-up on the TV is a great book on this that I have not read but I keep [TS]

  meaning to call tracing the beam yeah I think I got a copy of that book like [TS]

  like they'd make a courtesy copy is the writer during fireball and it's like I [TS]

  never read it but I it's somewhere on my list of books actually want to read and [TS]

  I think the title is a reference to the practice of of trying to do computations [TS]

  you know the electrons being the scanning left to right to left to right [TS]

  during the rosa time of the television in New Year CRT and it was you know [TS]

  there wasn't enough memory to do anything for an entire screen image so [TS]

  what you would do is do some calculations in the beam was started [TS]

  draw them and then you would ditch what you did it start doing new calculations [TS]

  before the beam got to the road that you are figuring out what was going to look [TS]

  like right I think that's one of the reasons they end up not having read the [TS]

  book I'm surmising based but that's that's what makes you think it must have [TS]

  been pretty darn responsive is that you just so little to work with and so [TS]

  little to do that how could you take time to do anything because you know [TS]

  everything had to be respond immediately there was no like big long hard thinking [TS]

  about what you gonna do you didn't have time you just have to figure out with [TS]

  dr. going to be in throwing up on the screen and reacting but immediately [TS]

  one of my friends from college I don't think he listened to the show but if [TS]

  he's out there hello Andrew Ross good friend from college Banaue reads the [TS]

  site and he corrected me a couple weeks ago somehow pac man came up on during [TS]

  fireball and I called the bad guys [TS]

  ghosts but they weren't ghosts they were monsters that was there for you know [TS]

  what were the bad guys impact man according to the official game they were [TS]

  monsters but at re called them ghosts for the Pacman version or the Atari [TS]

  version of pac-man because they couldn't figure out a way to animate all for them [TS]

  at the same time and so they did they would dry each of them only one-fourth [TS]

  of the time and so they looked Flickr and transparent because they were only [TS]

  drawing one at a time of the four ghosts are formed monsters so they decided this [TS]

  instead of calling it a bug they renamed them ghosts and called it a feature all [TS]

  they do look kinda like those they do look kinda like right thing with a sheet [TS]

  over its head right holes cut in like a ragged bottom to the sheet you know [TS]

  right so if it quite well beyond the monsters thing is just sounds like a you [TS]

  know a bad translation of whatever the word is in Japan for these things like [TS]

  well roughly means monster will probably because you're talking to that Web stock [TS]

  now you know what I think well maybe I was maybe it was maybe it was my website [TS]

  maybe that's what it was I don't even think I linked to that talked under the [TS]

  maybe he just saw it on somebody else yeah I don't know how I saw it but [TS]

  whatever may be just the web stock account someone who retweeted it or [TS]

  whatever and I do think though that you're right though no reason that I [TS]

  remember them as ghosts because they do they have that that that classic you [TS]

  know she'd she'd over ahead look like when Charlie Brown special yeah and in [TS]

  simi kids dress like that [TS]

  me neither [TS]

  good costumes on the kids but it's alright I mean we don't get a lot of [TS]

  kids here again like maybe you know three quarters of a bowl of candies with [TS]

  the kids and they like younger kids with parents some of them are cute but [TS]

  nothing super impressive also not not a lot this year not a lot of the kids who [TS]

  are not really dressed up like the kids are a little bit too old and didn't even [TS]

  put in the effort to put on a thing for just 13 candy to trick or treating is in [TS]

  my wife goes out with the kids and I am the person who mans house so you know we [TS]

  can hand out to be a good neighbor whatever and let me tell you you can [TS]

  learn not everything needed no but you can learn a hell of a lot in about three [TS]

  seconds but every kid that comes to your door [TS]

  based on how they deal with the candy situation because some some some people [TS]

  when you come to the door they let you know immediately how it's gonna be [TS]

  I i just simply extend the bowl and do not offer any advice about how many can [TS]

  you should take or anything like that some kids asked how many can we take [TS]

  some kids don't ask just take one some condone asking take two hands the kids [TS]

  like some kids try to take one say thank you and then rotate around their friend [TS]

  coming the other side take another one and you could just like I should have [TS]

  taken his kids name down right I got your number yet ok I know about you ok [TS]

  just it is a thirty second personality tests for very young children how they [TS]

  deal with that ball candy Jonas would certainly be a eight take one he's he's [TS]

  very about asking if you extended it and the ball that he would he would region [TS]

  and very selectively pick whatever you know take a look and pick one thing that [TS]

  he thought looked best for the people asking like it's also the way they asked [TS]

  some people are asking as they just want to make sure they're not doing anything [TS]

  bad but they're also asking price they're hoping the answer is not one and [TS]

  I give different answers a different kids you know I'm running experiments [TS]

  depending on how the kids lucky you know since they won some state to really [TS]

  towards the end the night I want I want the ball to be pleased to have leftover [TS]

  can easily get higher numbers but occasionally they canceled come and I'll [TS]

  see a couple greedy people in there and one of their friends will ask and I say [TS]

  one actually liked 1 I'm trying not to interfere with the experiment but [TS]

  fascinating as you should film it should tell them take what you feel you deserve [TS]

  that's like your conscience be your guide and Elmo say to these kids but I [TS]

  feel like though you know I don't feel weird house what you've learned about my [TS]

  father's little ministers they responded to Marco and and tips to read about [TS]

  their their candy and what which can do you think would go first and you know i [TS]

  i read it later on and get the answer but I knew the answer but I didn't see [TS]

  it what were the options I didn't see the tweet was like whoppers dots like [TS]

  look at the Jolly Rancher looking things and butterfingers I think and maybe the [TS]

  range Iran's about it being dumb but I you know the kids I've learn this room [TS]

  during Halloween they love the crappiest can be whatever is just like sugar just [TS]

  like nerds or you know like donald was the first one to go there just terrible [TS]

  you know completely sure can be my memories from childhood is that you [TS]

  always go for the chocolate first even lower little crazy Snickers bar vs [TS]

  anything else like you're not get who wants a jolly rancher who wants a piece [TS]

  of gum want some nerds who wants . everyone want to talk let the kids these [TS]

  days they want sour patch kids they want dots they want skittles like and we and [TS]

  what we get is you know Snickers bars Milky Way bars three musketeers [TS]

  butterfingers and also you know skittles and some other type of candy and the [TS]

  terrible crap sugar candy always goes first [TS]

  boggles my mind I think I've told this story before I think back on the old [TS]

  show with Dan but that the gold standard for me and I my neighborhood growing up [TS]

  as a kid was always full size pack of Reese's peanut butter cups filled to max [TS]

  right you get to a whole peanut butter cups or some other similar full-size [TS]

  milk chocolate covered candy bar for Snickers or a full Hershey bar lot of [TS]

  people are doing that like it's it's a trend and just posted that s what he was [TS]

  doing but like the full size ones that was hard to get spending with the amount [TS]

  of kids that we get and I honestly I don't think their parents get a stink I [TS]

  have given like this two year old kid a Snickers bar sizes farm right you know I [TS]

  I know what it's like to have kids with the small ones you can say we can have [TS]

  one candy and the one they're not wired all night one of those Snickers bars too [TS]

  much remember there is that the state average family in my neighborhood [TS]

  and missus average was always really into Halloween she was one of those moms [TS]

  who just loved it added [TS]

  pretty quiet house and had like a second-floor porch balcony / porch on [TS]

  the second floor and they always every year they hung up a which she probably [TS]

  was one of those acres tricks of perspective or I'm sure in real life she [TS]

  wasn't actually a five-foot tall taller something but from the street it looked [TS]

  like a full-size witch on a broom hanging up there and some lighting to [TS]

  letter up in a great she always give up full size candy bars and because she [TS]

  knew me you know around the corner she would like let me take two and I and CNN [TS]

  I would be like really I would think like this is a trick you're going down [TS]

  again trouble on it except the second one right this is this can't be true [TS]

  though is that still think I don't think it's no but that these days like these [TS]

  days when the kids come we have a super bowl for a peanut-free like that's the [TS]

  level things are you know in our neighborhood right and the kids coming [TS]

  they asked for the safety of any peanut free to do here you go [TS]

  ready for it had a razor blade thing that has got to be one of those things [TS]

  that like never actually happen now I don't think it ever did but they just [TS]

  the thought of it was just there was nothing you just turn it over in your [TS]

  mind as little kids like I love candy on Halloween but biting into a piece of [TS]

  candy in finding a straight razor heading into the roof of my mouth would [TS]

  not be good don't stop til you get the candy and I remember the other 12 was [TS]

  I don't know if it was because somebody figured it out that Hayden even make [TS]

  that would actually be like kinda hard to put a razor blade and candy bar and [TS]

  then sela back up the other one was that there were rumors that some people put [TS]

  straight pins in you know like he's like the things like they give you an apple [TS]

  the Apple have the tiny thin straight razor in that you could sneak in there [TS]

  and that's just like you know you bite into an Apple you don't want to really [TS]

  be involved every year that's all just things that scare kids far as I know [TS]

  I've never read an actual documented case of it really happy when it's pretty [TS]

  amazing considering how prevalent that myth was and how much you know copycat [TS]

  people do exactly like nobody would ever think to do it until it became the [TS]

  prevalent mean and then all sorts of weirdoes I guess maybe weirdos have [TS]

  trouble attracting children to their houses there really are things like I [TS]

  don't really think it was everything where that was an actual problem but I [TS]

  know that there were things were you can take your Halloween candy to like the [TS]

  emergency room and get an x-ray and I mean that's like an actual thing in some [TS]

  places and it's like imagine if you actually like like suffered some kind of [TS]

  accident or injury on Halloween and you're waiting you're always wait too [TS]

  long the emergency room and then you gotta sit there and wait for kids to get [TS]

  their dams sectors explain their candy irradiated yeah I do stuff like that [TS]

  just make parents feel better but now I just think that offer that as a service [TS]

  at the airport to take one of the TSA lines and let kids walk through their [TS]

  candy and see if it's not then you just see the candy like they did about the [TS]

  rapper but you actually see what's inside it [TS]

  see all the hard hit the gummy bears genitalia [TS]

  Mavericks got used to the name of it like in the grand scheme of things it's [TS]

  it's weird and awkward but it's fine it's not it's not like MacBook it's not [TS]

  like we it's not embarrassing it's just eccentric just fine and apparently it it [TS]

  did start I read the story behind the name of the location some point in the [TS]

  60 I guess it until then [TS]

  surfing culture got to be big and then a bunch of surfers in the sixties found [TS]

  this great beach and one of them at a dog named maverick and that somehow that [TS]

  and I nuno's of its apocryphal or not but that it came from that the beach was [TS]

  Mavericks because it was that's where the dog maverick hang out while his [TS]

  owners surged [TS]

  you're enjoying a long distinguished line of people who have been telling me [TS]

  the origin of the name by reciting to me or summarizing to me the very thing that [TS]

  I linked and the paragraph and I never relinquish its like handling I bet [TS]

  there's too many this time but the point is you have people like you may not know [TS]

  this but Mavericks is actually about you know a lot of people just simply [TS]

  reciting or copying pasting the actual page link to Wikipedia page about the [TS]

  thing and the second strain of Corrections this is people saying it's [TS]

  not actually plural possessive because I get this right is not possessive lot one [TS]

  person had the presence of mind to think to the other thing which is my second go [TS]

  to that I was gonna like this but I don't have too many thanks I just like [TS]

  to the Wikipedia page page explained that when the new place names and their [TS]

  possessive they tend to drop the apostrophes [TS]

  like that has historical precedent st. Mary's or whatever it's St period Mary's [TS]

  but without the apostrophe so yeah I know I totally understand where the name [TS]

  comes from I understand what it is but you know if you don't know the backstory [TS]

  and you see Mavericks it reads as plural and most people don't know or care [TS]

  understand the backstory and that's why it's awkwardly pillar is it really [TS]

  parole is it you know it's a plural possessive but you know whatever you [TS]

  decide but there's a certain awkwardness do it but you no matter where the people [TS]

  know [TS]

  Mike and its distinctive and hey it's not a cat right so you know we're off in [TS]

  a new direction in there there are plenty of places in California to go to [TS]

  next to McDonalds still have the friendlies dropped it that just friendly [TS]

  by two singular yeah we're headed with today's switch to face the added 'as [TS]

  because everybody called at Friendlys right and so used to be singular [TS]

  friendly and for the longest time we had one near I grew up that had a sign on [TS]

  like a big fancy signer brick building the didn't have the apostrophe s on it [TS]

  and i would tell people you know the place action and friendly right there [TS]

  like no I don't come look at the sign that they would swear that signs his [TS]

  family until you get out there and look at it and then it's like almost falling [TS]

  off nope we had to give in [TS]

  we had to in my vague hometown area growing up and one of them was a [TS]

  Friendly's and one was a friendly and I noticed stuff like that and I always [TS]

  wondered in the end this is before you can look stuff up on the internet I [TS]

  always wondered whether perhaps they were two rival brands like McDowell's [TS]

  redhead that they you know that some jerk you know started you know friendly [TS]

  after friendlies started because they didn't register the trademark on the non [TS]

  possessive or something like that [TS]

  get a Sunday any Yankees Cup because all I could think was otherwise it doesn't [TS]

  make any sense why wouldn't you enforce consistency across all of your friends [TS]

  they did slowly did you get you have one of those still remember having those [TS]

  there was like the upside down plastic baseball cap [TS]

  yeah I still think I have it Yankees version that somewhere I don't know if I [TS]

  got one of friendlier where I got that but I do remember having a little yeah a [TS]

  little plastic batting helmet roughly the size of a scoop ice cream a pretty [TS]

  good deal considering the crap that you get with like happy meals and stuff now [TS]

  that you know they just gave you that is the thing they served ice cream many [TS]

  take it home and you got a nice little something might actually want to keep [TS]

  and I'm similar license for major league baseball is the real logo on it had [TS]

  McDonalds still has the apostle of I wonder like did you have the Phillies [TS]

  hats or something really think about it but we had Yankees things [TS]

  I don't know if I don't know how I got the one that had a Yankees 1900 old days [TS]

  when the only thing they just seem the entire country recognized the whole [TS]

  country is angry that I don't know how that a no or i you know for all I know I [TS]

  remember getting it I just remember having it for all I know somebody's some [TS]

  relative of mine got it somewhere else and you know let's get one of those for [TS]

  John keep it for him but I remember having a little at Mavericks and going [TS]

  off into baseball yeah I really thought this would be the show where there [TS]

  wasn't any baseball the episode where they could not be like could have this [TS]

  this could have been preempted by game 7 yeah I could have been I kinda had a bad [TS]

  feeling about the Cardinals and how much i neva not pay attention to it all but [TS]

  like my Twitter feed is still politically like like like a contact [TS]

  contact i from baseball talk I was going to write down my dad's big baseball fan [TS]

  and we're talking the other day and I guess he's doing he does not like I've [TS]

  said this many times he does not like the American League doesn't like the [TS]

  designated hitter rule so he just you know he watches sports and he likes [TS]

  baseball but he doesn't want a lot of you won't just say if it's too american [TS]

  league teams playing on TV ESPN or something he won't watch it so he was [TS]

  really kind unaware of the whole beard situation with the Red Sox until I mean [TS]

  it heard about it was watching the World Series and he was like he said the Red [TS]

  Sox look like the type of guys you saw a couple of them in the bus station you [TS]

  just walk away and I i no bad thing but only like you know academically like I [TS]

  understand the concept tonight caught a piece of a game and I'm like all right [TS]

  this is out of control and someone had a good tweet I forget it was actually in [TS]

  poker now may be a comedian saying you know have two series The the Red Sox let [TS]

  me go back to their normal jobs of driving carriage for the Amish like they [TS]

  were the same serious beard like you know jebediah caliber beer it's [TS]

  published out of these people and you know it just looks like to take the [TS]

  people who don't you know [TS]

  don't base yeah they don't it's not a good look like a little scruffy is good [TS]

  but once it goes out into you know size homeless person like that's just too [TS]

  much is not doesn't look it doesn't look classy know if I don't know enough about [TS]

  baseball to know you I see you making the comments about the weird alternate [TS]

  uniforms and stuff like that but all sports teams go through some awkward [TS]

  phase but their outfits but if you had to pick a team that is the apple of [TS]

  baseball would be the eggs with the pinstripes like it's classy and simple [TS]

  and straightforward and even their logo is you know it's not like you know we [TS]

  are still looking thing I Red Sox have a certain class to me when you have some [TS]

  of the big giant beard and like the the bright saturated red is a little bit [TS]

  Ronald McDonald it does it did [TS]

  accentuate the unknown unnamed Kunis of the Red Sox Yankees in fact famously [TS]

  I'll always had a good grooming code like in the seventies and maybe even [TS]

  early eighties when men's fashion hairstyles for longer [TS]

  Yankees would occasionally get dinged by George Steinbrenner like a go getta go [TS]

  get a haircut done manually exception only got in trouble for his hair at one [TS]

  point later in his career and it just became like a weird thing like and i was [TS]

  just sort of like an eighties mullet I pluck and I wasn't really long hair but [TS]

  I don't know it was like steinbrenner gotta being as bonded over it and [TS]

  but Mattingly was already like the team captain and a perennial all-star and I [TS]

  just remember as a kid thinking it was a silly thing for the Yankees be worried [TS]

  about because they stunk at the time and also the facial hair they did you can't [TS]

  you know they've been working at Disney or something like that when you're in [TS]

  the eighties you can't can't can't can't scare the kids that you know that not [TS]

  only had the big handlebar right you have a mustache beard and get away with [TS]

  it I know that there's some pitches a lot of pitchers who don't like don't [TS]

  like to shave before they pitch so you could you can go like three or four days [TS]

  without shaving you you don't have to shave everyday but you can't grow a [TS]

  beard [TS]

  you know catches quasimodo doesn't yet know nobody ever sees no one ever sees [TS]

  their face or their prehensile tails a sad to see the big cat names go now [TS]

  cause I think they're out like I would like to see links in there somewhere but [TS]

  get the only one that they that they left on the floor that's kind of cool [TS]

  names got an X in it is interesting but that would have to be kind of like a [TS]

  middle name months ago lion where can you go i mean not even mountain lions [TS]

  cop-out like yeah I guess it's like a lion but different permount mine is you [TS]

  know nothing about the lines you know it's it's not lightning bug and [TS]

  lightning but it's close [TS]

  yeah and Snow Leopard was sort of worked on two levels where I got them an extra [TS]

  year without coming up with a new cat and it really did fit that that release [TS]

  in terms of it [TS]

  famously being the look quote-unquote no new features release and Snow Leopard [TS]

  look cool you know I get a pic cool links is probably don't look back over [TS]

  the name is cool so that's probably the only one they do and it's kind of a [TS]

  shame they never got like when they did cheat and Puma they were not into the [TS]

  putting the cat branding out your face yeah there was just behind the scenes [TS]

  and then they burn those two names and like and she is great as like the [TS]

  ultimate inside joke but the people who put whatever you start with alcohol [TS]

  I am I even went yeah I tend to think I don't even know if that's the origin if [TS]

  it was it wasn't like hey let's give them big cat names it was oh my god this [TS]

  thing is so slow let's call it cheetah internally and then somehow woodstock [TS]

  and as the wine names which the least they had the good sense to marking [TS]

  Department of the good sense not to try to go with the wine names but they [TS]

  continue to have dinner know about this [TS]

  yeah they all have you know a super secret code name is pushing out of the [TS]

  when the code is being a Jaguar resist or to become the the marking them as [TS]

  well they have one names and I get around to me you know that but like I [TS]

  even up to life in line was like parole or something I don't drink wines Pinot [TS]

  was it was maybe and 34 something I remember that if some some apple person [TS]

  could send you an email and tell you all the names were and are but if you if you [TS]

  like great through the various shell scripts and other readable things [TS]

  occasionally you can find a commenter a reference to a name of wine and that's [TS]

  what they're talking about [TS]

  I figured if I talked about this and if I did I would think it might have been [TS]

  when you run the show also could have been in person at WWDC I don't know but [TS]

  if I'm repeating myself forgive me either I forget what it's been on the [TS]

  show three months ago but the other names that were went unused but couldn't [TS]

  for obvious reasons I was talking to somebody else about him was you know how [TS]

  could they if they wanted to how good they've got another cat cougar which [TS]

  they didn't want to use for the connotation in pop culture of older [TS]

  women who chase young men but cooler is a pretty cool you know until recently I [TS]

  think they could use that I think that that usage of Cougar is kind of a [TS]

  a modern thing and I think they could have gotten over that I don't I don't [TS]

  know that that the snickering over calling aversion cougar would have [TS]

  lasted any longer than the snickering over iPad yeah it was perfectly [TS]

  serviceable name right you know what is it it's called the big 12 maxi pad you [TS]

  know I think Cougars have you know I mean there is John Cougar Mellencamp [TS]

  it's pretty cool cat was the other one can remember there is one more that they [TS]

  could isolate is you know is one I think I swear I've had this conversation [TS]

  before I just can't remember if it was on the show and I Jonas used to play in [TS]

  when he was seven and eight year old little league teams in the league he [TS]

  played here in Philly all the teams had big cat names and I think that there [TS]

  were ten or eleven teams in the league so where was little bit more than you [TS]

  know maybe they're 12 teams so is more than OS releases in there there was an [TS]

  ocelots which i think is probably the worst most of the kids can't even spell [TS]

  that and the other cool cat was one of his team names and they did I know that [TS]

  Apple considered it I think if they have gone one more this is the one they would [TS]

  be used was Wildcats yeah I mean I a lot of these names as you know any [TS]

  biologists points out the like different names for the same actual animal and the [TS]

  known by different names and Wildcat I'm assuming is you know what the hell is a [TS]

  wildcat right right but like the Wildcat is a 12 definitely has you have to type [TS]

  that something has to be something while the bed like right Mavericks is like [TS]

  those little bit maverick different or whatever but not it doesn't like Wildcat [TS]

  like Wildcat could be like when you do you know I was six to seven times [TS]

  transition Wildcats wild [TS]

  but you can't just let you get to slap that on something like a bad call this [TS]

  one Wildcat all the reviews of like this is very wild even now like a lot of them [TS]

  are like it's a even mine like it's not particularly maverick I made that point [TS]

  the end of its like kinda like it was the slowest maverick is not really you [TS]

  know boldly asserting you know new direction it's kind of not however I am [TS]

  gonna spoil it I'm going to assume you know hopefully I think that you know [TS]

  anybody out there is listening if you had plenty of time to read John's [TS]

  reviews so I mean I don't want to spoil it but at the end you you said it was [TS]

  for western wear anthropomorphic you you cast as as OS 10 woody allen and you [TS]

  said iOS would be the suave call Brad Pitt [TS]

  totally see Brad Pitt as iOS anthropomorphism I wouldn't say woody [TS]

  allen well I say not not the OS but this particular is kinda like you will you [TS]

  know I don't know about this whole thing we can get the word out there but I [TS]

  think everything is ok to leave the felt in Game Center but like what you like [TS]

  it's like dion is kind of cool some of his movies you know but he also can get [TS]

  easily flustered and seems uncertain right and so this thing is like it's [TS]

  it's kind of got a little bit of you know [TS]

  woody allen is smart and resourceful and and and introspective like those the [TS]

  subject to the same time for introspection seems like a list and is [TS]

  like looking itself in the mirror and know what to do with my life and swiped [TS]

  awful lot of the crap that was added all those applications make him look like [TS]

  books and apps but it's also done to this point is white the stuff off like [TS]

  it just smear smear smear glad they're gone from County but it's not like I let [TS]

  me just radically rethink all these applications and some of them did you [TS]

  get time to clean up so it it it knows it doesn't want to be but it doesn't [TS]

  want to be but doesn't even have the time to rewind it and so that's why I'm [TS]

  looking for something it's like you know what do people of different impressions [TS]

  of Woody Allen's that's difficult say like when [TS]

  most people would not think of the Woody Allen like maybe if you're in Iraq New [TS]

  Yorker you will look up to the island and some degree was other people might [TS]

  look at woody allen is just entirely like the you know sort of nervous [TS]

  waiting fidgeting type of thing but there admiral things about woody allen [TS]

  but he also has that angle of uncertainty in the you know always [TS]

  question himself yeah I guess there is this sort of introspection is a good way [TS]

  to put it where that's really where most of the changes and Mavericks are i mean [TS]

  i mean it's it's really obvious you don't have to read it [TS]

  24,000 Board Review to figure out that it doesn't really look different than [TS]

  before [TS]

  other than as you said in the case of specific apps that have been teased s [TS]

  words school more sized the apt 4d forestall do you forestall right but [TS]

  what did they end up looking like they've really all those apps you know [TS]

  contacts and it really does look like Generic apps you know it's just a very [TS]

  straightforward right out of a pocket and not even that because if you had [TS]

  made them straight without kids they would not be like they are what they are [TS]

  is like underneath like like makeup if you wipe out all the makeup underneath [TS]

  areas like just the thing that was always under the strangely structured [TS]

  like that like you know contacts where they had three panes out of the book [TS]

  once you get rid of the book art it's like what I ever make this window if I [TS]

  didn't know that previously had started to the book type thing and they made the [TS]

  three panes more or less independently resizable so you can get it into [TS]

  arrangements they would never correspond to a book that always had to be split [TS]

  down the middle but if you just started from scratch and make new contacts when [TS]

  do you never make a window like that it only makes sense if you look at all I [TS]

  see it used to be covered the book you know like our aura the the Notes [TS]

  application OIC this used to be yellow lined paper in the sidebar now just kind [TS]

  of like this page thing like you have to know where it came from the current [TS]

  Windows to make sense otherwise they look kind of small and squinty in [TS]

  strange and weird fonts and don't look like you know Mac outside all day look [TS]

  like iOS apps that have [TS]

  scoured down that's more or less what they are and I assume its good enough [TS]

  time to do anything else they sure as hell not [TS]

  not ship in that letter stuff anymore that was the easiest ok just replace it [TS]

  with a great throw a little bit of the you know then held that occasion there [TS]

  for like a month or whatever but they're they're not entirely rethought its just [TS]

  like you know backpedaling yeah note in particular I think really kind of sticks [TS]

  out to you can like double click on oat open it into its own window but it it [TS]

  doesn't have a standard window title bar all it's used to be like a little while [TS]

  sticking out and now they're not that yellow anymore now is just like a weird [TS]

  when he doesn't doesn't make it doesn't read that well and and I reminders kept [TS]

  like whatever the crazy black stuff is like well didn't have time to read your [TS]

  mind the next time they get to redo Game Center is just too much graphics and all [TS]

  those people too busy working on iOS 7 now and you know whatever sort of like [TS]

  if you want to go at the end there were more fires damn it's sort of like [TS]

  somebody who's like sobered up after a long bender and Game Center is like the [TS]

  face tattoo yes sort of [TS]

  or you know it's you know maybe a face tattoos a little tough but little little [TS]

  out there but yes the hangover but it's you know it's the lampshade on the head [TS]

  you know and that's like you know just like cheese I'm just gonna put out [TS]

  t-shirt [TS]

  addressed to the introspection know I did you know so yeah they look and feel [TS]

  is obviously it's really just taking out those over the top school more fit [TS]

  resources and that's really the extent of significant changes to the way it [TS]

  looks i mean IQ change the document I mean like they always screw yea doc on [TS]

  the side looks different now yeah [TS]

  there are so few there are so few user interface elements they're guaranteed to [TS]

  be visible s10 the doc is that like the dock menu bar in the window title bars [TS]

  like that's the look of the OS because there's not too much of the surface area [TS]

  anytime they changed dockets like that's that's the one thing you know is going [TS]

  to be in people's faces and let me know so most of the changes you know how do [TS]

  you read the 24,000 where review of an OS two didn't really change that much [TS]

  the way it looks [TS]

  it's you know the stuff that's new is under the hood and it's really sort of a [TS]

  deep by it is sort of introspective it so why are we doing this why we why have [TS]

  we spent all this time over the decades leading the background processes [TS]

  consumers much CPU time as they could and I what it what is the purpose of the [TS]

  OS what is the job of the US DOT job used to be like give every process all [TS]

  the resources they need to manage access to the hardware and coordinate the mall [TS]

  now them you know just maximize it and now it's like you know like the parent [TS]

  was too permissive [TS]

  realizes like what what is the purpose of being a parent is it just to give you [TS]

  get everything they want maybe not like I can't talk about my house I was shown [TS]

  you know because you had to have you had a choice like you're on a phone you can [TS]

  have all that crap in the background and there was that there's that story that I [TS]

  don't remember the source of this maybe you do it like Steve Jobs [TS]

  I'm the source of the story I wanted to tell you this this is my story well I [TS]

  wasn't there but I dunno I spoke to someone who was there it was after the [TS]

  IP original iPad was unveiled so it's 2010 and you know the secret project [TS]

  everybody does something something Apple doing a tablet but you know and like any [TS]

  Apple project only the people who worked on the iPad knew about the iPad before [TS]

  it came out i mean the iOS team news [TS]

  but then after it came out and everybody in Apple knew what it was and then he [TS]

  could do in there was a meeting with the hardware team for the MacBook hardware [TS]

  team and it was what we gonna do for the next map and you know and jobs had been [TS]

  on his first medical leave the when I first but the first two years of his [TS]

  life in 20 2009 he'd been gone a lot of the time it was when he came back that [TS]

  first that whenever the medical leave that started with Kim canceling the [TS]

  Macworld keynote in this etcetera and was when he came back in the summer as I [TS]

  was gonna do with maybe less time that he can spend spend the rest of that [TS]

  you're doing original iPad but it really devoted himself to him he knew the iPad [TS]

  in and out and so is next meeting with the MacBook people this must have been [TS]

  pretty late March of 2010 it could take a manner many expect it was like [TS]

  budgeted at like three hours was like a three hour meeting with Steve Jobs the [TS]

  line when he came in carrying an iPad and they were all the existing MacBooks [TS]

  run the table and he said here look at this this is a sleep and touch the [TS]

  button on your iPad and it instantly turned on because now it's a wake [TS]

  because I can do it again turned it off he says now it's a sleep now at awake he [TS]

  goes why can I do that on this and pointed to a Macbook and any just left [TS]

  the room and it's the same thing that we all felt like you know the iPhone to [TS]

  begin with is like that's why it seems so magical you use it and you're like [TS]

  why is this thing that I know is like one especially the original iPhone 1 [TS]

  10000 as powerful as the Mac why does it feel so why does it feel so fast [TS]

  why does it feel so responsive what kind of unfair to the Mac Book hardware team [TS]

  that's who he was talking to you it's not just a hardware solution is found in [TS]

  the software side of that coming it's like you know all these things that I [TS]

  always does [TS]

  to YouTube to be there responsible hardware [TS]

  finally getting them back to get some of their religion do less stop only do what [TS]

  the user asks you what they asked immediately everything else you know get [TS]

  screwed and that you can't do that entirely on the back of the part of the [TS]

  package uses be able to run all the stuff in the background but if you did [TS]

  you spend any time with the command-line tools like SMS usage in the old days I [TS]

  see usage and show you what's going on your system [TS]

  overseas in particular I'm always looking at what the hell is grinding [TS]

  disc today so much crap just just run the scene on your machine FSM underscore [TS]

  usages should be in your path if you got that may be part of the dev tools look [TS]

  at how many processes adjust your disk tell me like one of these things doing [TS]

  something really need to be checking this preference file 30 times a second [TS]

  you know it's sometimes I have written a bug reports for a program to say your [TS]

  program is look looking at this Feist adding the smile like a literally [TS]

  hundreds of times a second [TS]

  like that seems excessive don't do that and and Mavericks is you know like what [TS]

  is the role of the OSCE introspection and maybe the role of the USS that is to [TS]

  say I don't care how fast you want to check that file if you're not the [TS]

  process of the users interact with your some faceless demon and something else [TS]

  going on and more important things are happening you're gonna be throttled I'm [TS]

  gonna give you less CPU time and you know that's always been no process [TS]

  priority and stuff like that but I'm a ghost has always prioritize the [TS]

  interactive task over the 90 director once the Mavericks is really cranking it [TS]

  up not just giving us time but also trying to have fewer of those things [TS]

  happening and it's kind of weird happening at the same time that I S [TS]

  seven is finally saying OK couple of applications can run in the background [TS]

  kinda like you do in the Mac like you know I was used to beat the system [TS]

  regime where nobody gets around only one process it once and now you know with a [TS]

  seven is that they don't have enough CPU power to say okay we can open up the [TS]

  policy can run in the background [TS]

  subject of some description restrictions and you know the Mac is coming from the [TS]

  other direction trying to lock everything [TS]

  down but it's one of those things where I feel like you had to go all the way to [TS]

  the iOS iPhone and iPad to sort of open your eyes to to these questions the [TS]

  questions didn't occur prior to that [TS]

  like why would you let an application that the user can even see why are we [TS]

  letting it spend as much CPU time is it wants to update its you I you know that [TS]

  doesn't make any sense whereas iOS that's like when you think when you sit [TS]

  there and think why why why does the ipad get amazing battery life and one of [TS]

  the things is even now that it has multitasking and you can keep multiple [TS]

  apps in memory to some degree and you get a real win out of that when you [TS]

  switch you know if you're if you're switching from male to Safari to your [TS]

  Twitter client and all three of them can stay in and open in RAM they may not be [TS]

  doing stuff in the background but then when you switch to them it's right there [TS]

  where you left off and there's no weight at all but on the other hand it's not [TS]

  doing anything in the background that you don't need that and all of a sudden [TS]

  I think that you know Apple is clearly asking why can't the Mac be more like [TS]

  that about Steve Jobs story at that time and you know to this day but at that [TS]

  time as well [TS]

  Max had an amazing reputation for being the laptop that wakes from sleep really [TS]

  really fast like the gold standard of the industry you know and like even [TS]

  among PC users they see how fast this before that meeting they had this [TS]

  reputation and it's exactly is it totally Steve Jobs move to come into the [TS]

  room and the one thing he picks on as the one thing that that MacBooks are [TS]

  universally recognized as being the best in the industry and that's the thing [TS]

  that he's as crap and why the crap because Apple itself had made a device [TS]

  that shows you know don't don't be satisfied merely by being laptop to wake [TS]

  from sleep the fastest there's a whole other realm of possibility over here on [TS]

  this little thing right [TS]

  don't just compare yourself to the Windows PCs right and and the thing [TS]

  about the iPad I remember back in the day and I find myself looking into this [TS]

  I think I even in there if you like the iPad was so amazing [TS]

  hour battery life that's when laptops for like three and four hour battery [TS]

  life and you look at you like how the hell does this thing have a 10 hour [TS]

  battery life when the battery for like a MacBook Pro or whatever [TS]

  weighs more than the entire iPad we have this huge battery and we got like three [TS]

  hours may have a better it so skinny that we're going to shove in the back [TS]

  and they continue to happen is the better get skinnier and skinnier it was [TS]

  like you know the Mac laptops had bigger batteries and now finally with [TS]

  maverick's as well like finally Mac laptops are getting the benefit of [TS]

  having just massively more battery than than the iPad iPad now has a little tiny [TS]

  sliver iPad areas like a battery is probably a sheet of paper inside there [TS]

  you know there's no room in their batteries so tiny compared to the [TS]

  battery in 15 inch MacBook Pro which is just you know seven big chunky cells and [TS]

  I just a small bit like and like a MacBook Air with running Mavericks are [TS]

  getting like you know 14 15 hours about her life so now suddenly the world makes [TS]

  sense again the thing with the bigger battery does get more battery life [TS]

  whereas before I was like the thing with the bigger battery gets a third of the [TS]

  battery life of the iPad why in the world does not even the 11 inch MacBook [TS]

  Air which could has the smallest battery of any MacBook cuz it's the smallest [TS]

  anything but if it weighs two and a half times as much as an iPad how could it [TS]

  not get better battery life [TS]

  matches yea but it was you know and I think it's only really with this year's [TS]

  models that it really jump past and like you said with maverick's it's clearly [TS]

  passed it I mean it's as well as the big part of it in terms of like it you know [TS]

  the hardware that was the big win you know get getting the CPU putting more [TS]

  stuff on the chip you know like we're not it's not an A seven system-on-a-chip [TS]

  yet but like where they're going towards each other and then the software side of [TS]

  it is the other half of that ok we have the CPU and chipset the table to not use [TS]

  a lot of power is not doing it now it's the OS is job to make sure we're not [TS]

  doing anything when we're not doing anything [TS]

  well you you but you ran your own tests for your review where you you know it's [TS]

  like a real world tests on some kind of abstract benchmark [TS]

  it was loading web pages waiting a couple seconds you know maybe the [TS]

  simulate actually you know looking at the web page and then closing in [TS]

  loading more yeah I got a new found a new family always had respect for an [TS]

  antagonist people thought the benchmarks were doing benchmarks like this like [TS]

  synthetic ones are so much nicer caused a repeatable but I'm doing real [TS]

  benchmark using real websites right and 30 websites vary from day to day right [TS]

  and you install the Flash plugin [TS]

  a real-world usage but then if if if your advertisements that are flash based [TS]

  consumed CPU it matters which adds look yet and it's like I would have to say [TS]

  I'm trying to trying to compare Mavericks to mountain lion and I you [TS]

  know you'd run I don't have one machine TestInside run the Mavericks when I [TS]

  reboot great for the battery charger on the next one and I kept getting I was [TS]

  getting such variability on the mountain lion on average when they're pretty [TS]

  consistent but the mountains on just very like crazy and so you know I went [TS]

  the numbers in the review our direct numbers from runs right but we had many [TS]

  many runs and I was like should I average done should I not I just kind of [TS]

  took one and actual run that was kind of in the middle but they vary its like [TS]

  what is the weather on the Internet today in terms of flash and crap and if [TS]

  it's a bad flash and weather day on the internet the machine that willingly runs [TS]

  flash ads is gonna get slaughtered and maverick's like I'm care with the flash [TS]

  and weather is like a load the Flash nine but I'm not gonna let it auto play [TS]

  like I intentionally pick pages that occasionally had auto playing ads [TS]

  YouTube and occasionally as well like I was trying to pick you know sites that [TS]

  might go to the test itself I think it was gentle like it was a light usage [TS]

  task is it was like go to web pages change to attempt to go to a txt Edit [TS]

  dollar-yen an ally of tax let the autosave thing work [TS]

  hi the window show the window bring this tab to the front pipe that tab like but [TS]

  it's really like yousuch you know not doing anything strenuous but also in [TS]

  that respect it's not representative of you actually that using a hammer and a [TS]

  computer I just wanted to see like what kind of percentage increase could we get [TS]

  and I was trying to get no demo app nap making sure that was a factor like I was [TS]

  stopping for like five seconds at least between [TS]

  changing tabs to simulate like reading some 25 seconds and that's enough time [TS]

  for a nap to kick in and flash was there demonstrate the amazing benefit you get [TS]

  by Donato playing flash ads even though flash was installed like you know so [TS]

  it's if you will read it and they should look at the mountain I never did not [TS]

  currently getting 12 or 13 hours out of mountain lion you're not gonna get [TS]

  fourteen hours out of Mavericks it's like the percentage increases probably [TS]

  represented but you know the absolute values like it depends on your battery [TS]

  but that it it it does seem true them in a really just seems bottom-line true and [TS]

  I it's one of those things that seems it's and it sounds too good to be true [TS]

  and everybody naturally sort of just think so let's see when you know Craig [TS]

  Federici first ran through the features back at WWDC of Mavericks and said that [TS]

  you know we can get with these things that we're doing you know app nap and [TS]

  coalesced network and tires yeah and I owe you know that you can even just [TS]

  collapsed hitting you know hitting hard drive that you can you know that adds up [TS]

  and you're gonna get you know I don't twenty thirty percent more battery life [TS]

  just by upgrading to the new OS that sounds too good to be true you know and [TS]

  Apple wouldn't I asked if they had any kind of number that they were going to [TS]

  throw out there is a marking type thing and you know I'd really didn't expect [TS]

  anything and to their credit they didn't give one because this is the thing about [TS]

  battery life with the whole the whole game here is you're not like the battery [TS]

  has the energy is the CPU has Angie has not so I was trying to visit with the [TS]

  graph showing WABC like look at the CPU uses like nothing when you're not using [TS]

  it but it uses 25 watts when you're when you're hammering it like it's a 54 watt [TS]

  hour battery do the math how many hours do you get when you're using 25 watts [TS]

  batteries 54 yr you don't get twelve that's for sure [TS]

  like that's the thing about battery usage and let's talk about the [TS]

  application so much is that you get this [TS]

  you get this new OS and you go out and put on your machine you like wow it [TS]

  really battery life increased there is nothing the OS can do if you're running [TS]

  a bunch of crap that is just you know your CPU GPU constantly like the OS can [TS]

  stop that if you have some third party thing [TS]

  in your menu bar during 60 frames a second car that is gonna suck your power [TS]

  like a vampire like Mavericks asshole trick is it doesn't magically make more [TS]

  battery and makes less stuff go on to go on your good like you could burn your [TS]

  your battery just as fast as you can amount to be just a bad application just [TS]

  one bad application so what do you call it that the wall of shame in energy [TS]

  shaming it's a great idea and I think it's one of my favorite part of your [TS]

  review because I noticed the feature and that's interesting and it shows in for [TS]

  anybody doesn't know it's like when you go to the battery meter in the menu bar [TS]

  and I swear that show up on desktop I would I want to look for it recently I [TS]

  wish that showed up on desktops because even though I don't have battery power I [TS]

  want to know what the hell is stealing my CPU citrate my desk and doing all [TS]

  this crap right so they they it sits in the battery meter so I guess you don't [TS]

  see it on to the low battery thing in the menu bar and you pull it down and in [TS]

  addition to telling you stuff it used to tell you you know whether you show the [TS]

  percentage or not or just show the icon and it now has a list of apps using [TS]

  significant energy and so they called posited in terms of energy but like you [TS]

  said it also means which apps are slowing my system down if there's an app [TS]

  using thirty percent of your CPU even if you're plugged into AC if you're using a [TS]

  Mac Pro or iMac or something you'd still like to know about that out because if [TS]

  you can make it stop doing that your machine will be fast and it's brutal [TS]

  because like crystal shows the icon so like hear your faces out there you know [TS]

  and the battery manual like people know about the better man une like they just [TS]

  know about it like it's it's they like that on the menu bar that they don't [TS]

  just look a little icon like it is very likely to be found as you can get all [TS]

  the same information that is going activity monitor but nobody knows about [TS]

  activity there so if you look at the menu it's it's putting in front of [TS]

  marlys regular users faces potentially your application icon and like I said [TS]

  there have you like if I was a developer I would be kind of annoyed by this [TS]

  because you just know the support email you like all your apps using significant [TS]

  it's a game you're playing the game of course [TS]

  it's not magic like and your app is gonna show up just gonna have to field [TS]

  request after West about like yes I know people are going to complain but it's [TS]

  it's the only way to do it to get you no shame that people who really need to be [TS]

  shamed like you're stupid to think that I'm not even using issue with the health [TS]

  of the right leg and and when you select from the menu it goes to activity [TS]

  monitor with the application highlighted like as in kill me now those equipped [TS]

  but dried up and they're like it's like volunteering to say this year's to get [TS]

  the application you wanna kill it off just click this big red stop sign button [TS]

  in the toolbar Markel it so the day the Mavericks came out my friend James [TS]

  Duncan Davidson the photographer he just emailed me with your boy screenshot of [TS]

  his appt shame list which listed Photoshop and he said this is Renault [TS]

  documents and you know and now there's things where it's like if you really do [TS]

  you know if Photoshop is who knows what the hell is doing but if it's doing [TS]

  something where it's using can significantly energy don't even have a [TS]

  document open but you were professional work is such that you need Photoshop [TS]

  what do you know this is what you're getting at though you're not you know [TS]

  computers there D be used for something right but Mavericks isn't going to [TS]

  magically make that less painful on your battery and the thing is that's not [TS]

  instantaneous snapshot of like looking at Activity Monitor top-rated like that [TS]

  and he stopped his averaged over a long period of time so it's trying to say it [TS]

  like in the past 10 minutes fifty minutes our whatever the given activity [TS]

  monitor like the average energy and packed like it's not like right now I'm [TS]

  not doing anything Photoshop why is it in the menu it's in the menu because [TS]

  over the past little while that's been the guy that's been using a lot of your [TS]

  hand she even if you're not doing it right now so if he was just saying I [TS]

  don't have any documents but now it's still on the menu yeah it's going to be [TS]

  on the menu but if you haven't touched Photoshop and 10 15 20 minutes it's [TS]

  still on the menu then maybe something's gone wrong like obviously it's there [TS]

  it's their kind of unfairly and its I think the the annoying users who are [TS]

  going to send an email to developers maybe not go because they're not gonna [TS]

  listen to whatever but you know if you're if you make some little [TS]

  application and you keep sending you email maybe it'll make you you know he's [TS]

  a session about how can I make my application energy more energy efficient [TS]

  because there are so many crew that regular developers can do an apple [TS]

  trying to preach to them and WBC saying oh you know having session after session [TS]

  about here's how you be energy efficient they've been doing that for years and [TS]

  developers alike yeah yeah whatever now for the support loading your customers [TS]

  realize that you're doing something silly then maybe like ok fine I'll go [TS]

  look at the sessions and our launch an application yeah and I don't know it's [TS]

  just one of those cultural things were maybe you know it's like we all do you [TS]

  know it's like the way that you know certain values get get hammered just [TS]

  kind of become ingrained overtime like you know I don't know maybe a bad [TS]

  analogy but when I grew up you know nobody had car seats and kids just stood [TS]

  in the back seat and jumped up and down into you got to where you're going now [TS]

  if you saw like a four year old kids standing in the back seat of car you'd [TS]

  be appalled you would call please I wouldn't you know that diana right well [TS]

  I don't want to die just wish I could just send like thought his way and hope [TS]

  that his parents aren't safe drivers I don't get involved so terrible would you [TS]

  call the police talk to me about it [TS]

  but you know collectively we we've shared we've we've we've raised the [TS]

  importance of safety in cars you know collectively you know where adults are [TS]

  expected to be wearing seat belts seat belts are expected to be you know you [TS]

  know we expect even more now we have airbags and side impact airbags we have [TS]

  all the stuff you're expected to you know survivalist car crashes you know [TS]

  it's just become a priority and I think that energy usage and and doing you know [TS]

  just every little step along the way you know prioritizing these things as gotta [TS]

  become like a developer priority yeah I remember what I actually said but I was [TS]

  tempted to say that that little menu that little presence in the menu bar is [TS]

  like the most important energy saving feature of the OS term paper because [TS]

  it's it's the part you can do all you want with the internals and all you [TS]

  would develop evangelism but it's like it's so hard to you know it's as I eat [TS]

  your vegetables it's so hard to get people to care about this you need [TS]

  something what's going to move the needle on this one aspect of this [TS]

  because that's the worst thing that could have happened up and that's one of [TS]

  the reasons that I ran my Mavericks energy test with only Apple supply [TS]

  applications plus flash is because if third-party developers don't get on [TS]

  board with this there's nothing matters can do to keep it to extend your battery [TS]

  life because you just can't keep writing the same third-party applications you [TS]

  have all your battery and you know maybe the OS trying to be quiet will help a [TS]

  little bit if the OS itself if you aren't using Apple's bundled [TS]

  applications you are getting the benefit of Apple's work they did on that in a [TS]

  few the OS is really doing anything anyway so maybe get a little benefit but [TS]

  third-party application because kill your battery life and so how do you do [TS]

  that if we made this amazing OS that can be super angry official we have all [TS]

  these new API's you alarming you're not visible learning to draw stuff and set [TS]

  your priorities and throw if no one uses those API's you don't get the benefit of [TS]

  all his hard work how the hell do we get people to use these API's you have to [TS]

  shame them you have to put him up there and go this guy right here he sucks you [TS]

  know and you're going to unfair of the same applications that are not doing [TS]

  anything bad that are being used a lot because or because the whole point in [TS]

  them is to do something [TS]

  Cpl I like a game like a guessing game is going to destroy her battery life [TS]

  that's the whole point of the game is to use every single resource on the entire [TS]

  system to it [TS]

  if you're not using every excuse in unity and every corner CPU and you know [TS]

  using all the bandwidth and all the processing power new GPU and you know [TS]

  that's not a good game design right you shoot three hundred photographs and a [TS]

  bunch of videos on vacation and come in and plug it in and takes us start [TS]

  sucking those pictures off your sdcard and iPhoto or Lightroom or Aperture and [TS]

  you have it set to you know a portrayal Lightroom I don't know but you can like [TS]

  you know like default filter over every one of them [TS]

  filtering 300 photos of want while reading from a slow sdcard [TS]

  gonna be you know that that's exactly what you're asking him to do though is [TS]

  did do something that is you know I O and CPU intensive and so it's gonna get [TS]

  painted with the same brush so it's not it's not a perfect system but that's the [TS]

  only the only tool they have at their disposal they were desperate numbers [TS]

  like we've just got a shame you know like I guess it's kind of still hidden [TS]

  the little bit but it's it's prominently Activity Monitor is not sufficient [TS]

  people click the battery menu especially when they want to be like the time [TS]

  remaining if they don't display it you know like I see the battery is the [TS]

  little stuff inside the battery is no do little but i wanna know how much time do [TS]

  I have left and a lot of people don't display that in the menu bar know if you [TS]

  can anymore because takes a more rooms they click click to see it there's the [TS]

  whole shame right there I love it I do I do I do I just did not give this is one [TS]

  of those injuries didn't give it a lot of thought before reading your review [TS]

  and then I realized you said I really do think it might have the most lasting [TS]

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  scanning is one of the things I still like let out a sigh when I realize I [TS]

  have to use my scanner because I've got my printer hooked up to my airport thing [TS]

  but I can't do scanning through its every time I got asked and I have to [TS]

  like plug the printer directly into the computer to use the stupid flatbed [TS]

  scanner in the thing up so terrible I just stopped doing that but I don't care [TS]

  about you know like I just want [TS]

  scanning documents for you know archival purposes of every mistake my phone or [TS]

  iPod thing yeah it makes sense for me I mean that's what am I do I mean how [TS]

  often do I need to scan something but when I do it's such a pain and appear [TS]

  like PDF and their application for editing PDF always an army dealing with [TS]

  PDS like a preview would almost kind of so close to being what you want to be [TS]

  like you can't really do that caused the PDF PDF sign editable the readonly PDF [TS]

  Penn concept of its PDF but you can find screw it was like oh thank god there's [TS]

  nothing worse than just dealing with a PDF change one little thing in modifying [TS]

  some simple way to you think should be possible and is not right and it's you [TS]

  know when I first saw that PDFs that you can have their were clearly scanned but [TS]

  where it had been OCR so you can search swype attacks this tax rate because this [TS]

  is clearly not a fun this is you know the facts and everything and powerful [TS]

  stuff I always see our seems like one of those tasks I get stiff never going to [TS]

  be perfect of course you've talked about this on your show with mark on Casey [TS]

  about talk to mark about it to the episode a couple weeks back for Casey [TS]

  brought up the episode of The Shield show where they made a joke about Siri [TS]

  you pointed out looked serious could improve a lot and maybe needs improving [TS]

  but it's never going to not be make funnel right we're never going to get to [TS]

  a park point where a recent our lifetimes where AI isn't going to be of [TS]

  some kind of uncanny valley where it's clearly not a person [TS]

  and therefore we can make fun of it OCR is sorta like to get really depressed [TS]

  about that [TS]

  think how often you see people make fun of their human you know [TS]

  co-workers or assistance of an actual human it was the subject of ridicule [TS]

  about how doesn't understand what you want because it's not inside your brain [TS]

  like it's it's an unsual is literally an unsolvable problem you know we have like [TS]

  direct to live in fear [TS]

  become a hive mind you know and same thing with OCR like human beings can [TS]

  read stuff but it's sufficiently smudged in crappy [TS]

  just look at the stupid captures the payoff to do on on the web [TS]

  did you see the ball in his last name the guy from tablets tablets Paul and I [TS]

  but he bought a surface Microsoft Surface to try it out and capture ya [TS]

  sound like a lot of you buy a new surface and you start setting it up in [TS]

  the first run experience like step for the first run experience is to do it [TS]

  capture just in case your robot right with with hot dog fingers using this why [TS]

  do they care for robots are buying services you're buying a surface [TS]

  maybe you know you know with water filter hot dog fingers like a machine [TS]

  somewhere where they have a better services lined up with these little [TS]

  things you know trying to scam captions are [TS]

  I capture that I don't understand the scenario that they're defending against [TS]

  either is the gogo wireless internet on the airplane at least the network we [TS]

  have on USAir and you have an account I fly enough ravel just have my account [TS]

  credentials saved so when I'm on an airplane and there's wifi type in my [TS]

  password I say yes use my saved credit card and then I have to do it capture [TS]

  and it stinks like if you're on the phone because [TS]

  it took you can't see the capture and see the text field and the keyboard all [TS]

  the same time so you have to memorize the capture and then type it in and its [TS]

  case sensitive it's like what what i don't understand what they're defending [TS]

  against I just gave you my username and password I just let you charge my credit [TS]

  card why do you know why am i doing it capture there is a BS business buzzword [TS]

  to explain every crazy like that and I think in this case the BS word is best [TS]

  practices which is someone just sighed as best practice having captured every [TS]

  logon screen and the blanket apply that policy why best practices best practices [TS]

  in Berlin topic and you know and so you end up with it in places where it makes [TS]

  no sense because you didn't take it there so I could understand its best [TS]

  practices that captures now its corporate policy way the future and [TS]

  you're seeing that movie The Aviator [TS]

  oh yeah I love it I wonder I mean I i've seen it as well but I think the movie is [TS]

  more obscure than a lot of other things a reference even like The Big Lebowski [TS]

  but now it has come to prominence due to their obsession with it [TS]

  yeah I think that the Aviator I have sought when I didn't see it in theaters [TS]

  it's another you know it's the whole having kids thing where I don't see many [TS]

  movies at all bidders anymore it's too but I did see it when it first I love [TS]

  big scorsese fantasy when it first came out on iTunes I got it and I'm being a [TS]

  little disappointed the first time I saw it I don't know what I expected it to be [TS]

  I guess I [TS]

  I guess I [TS]

  needed to be goodfellas with the billionaire and it wasn't and I was a [TS]

  little disappointed in a wide still a year or so ago and thought my god what a [TS]

  remarkable I really hate the second time I watch the year two later to three [TS]

  years later I really thought you know this is just fantastic love them [TS]

  grows on you you know I don't think I'm obsessive compulsive I don't have any [TS]

  kinda sorta like that but I read it it seems like such an otherworldly if you [TS]

  don't have to suffer from it and it's hard to imagine it and I feel like he [TS]

  really kind and I i buy the second time my wife came out of it thinking somehow [TS]

  there but for the grace of God go I maybe I am a little closer to that than [TS]

  than comfort yeah I think everyone can identify with it a little bit some some [TS]

  more than others lets a great guy that Howard Hughes was I don't know if I've [TS]

  ever seen anything about in there wasn't like a fictionalized like newsreels or [TS]

  interviews or anything about the actual persons all I had in my mind is the the [TS]

  fictional Howard he was just building airplanes building casinos and gaming [TS]

  famous actresses making movies there's a life that I mean there's more was there [TS]

  to do in the bottles are in tissue boxes and doesn't end well thats this is [TS]

  really really this is a cautionary tale about working from home should be on the [TS]

  watch out for this is exactly that is sort of that is sort of I think what [TS]

  made it uncomfortable for me so I installed the David underscores [TS]

  undercover David Smith we say his name to understand his phenomenal app for the [TS]

  iPhone [TS]

  what's it called steps I forget what [TS]

  plus plus I don't know what I don't know how it got to pluses but her plus plus [TS]

  great app I think it's a free app and there's a guy you can do it like an [TS]

  in-app purchase to give me a couple bucks but it just ties into your [TS]

  motioned processor on the iPhone 5s steps I take shockingly few steps in [TS]

  something this is still before winter you know it's it's actually you know [TS]

  october in philadelphia is actually beautiful it's probably probably my [TS]

  favorite month climate wise in philadelphia it couldn't be more [TS]

  beautiful we haven't had a lot of rain there's zero reason why I shouldn't be [TS]

  getting more steps than at any point here and I you know when today I took [TS]

  thirteen steps to get coffee in the morning to you too like the Starbucks [TS]

  down the street from everyone make it home ok [TS]

  the Fitbit and everything that you shouldn't buy you one and you could be [TS]

  like that but he's motivated is now you just have like thirteen steps of this [TS]

  like you did you walk really carefully through your bed to the office of those [TS]

  unaccounted steps like your shuffle your feet and your bunny slippers I said [TS]

  here's my actual score for Wednesday October 30th was 3466 steps but you're [TS]

  supposed to get colored red like so 10,000 as everybody says what you want [TS]

  every day [TS]

  3466 on Wednesday to step things differently cuz I park in a parking [TS]

  garage like about time I get there and I run up and down the steps to the fifth [TS]

  floor parking garage in this account for more steps than just walking up the [TS]

  stairs yeah that's right up the stairs is very different than walking up five [TS]

  flights yet same number of steps taken steps going up stay up as fighter steps [TS]

  is definitely more and going down steps is less cause you just going down steps [TS]

  is really just to control the ball and then I mean it's motivating you to you [TS]

  know get outside Mari [TS]

  something triggered a trick or treat today though I got a good when I got [TS]

  fifteen thousand steps so you know once you sign gets tired you which will [TS]

  happen something dogging you have something to do in your old age [TS]

  dog for a walk every day makes you get outside like you're not a smoker a [TS]

  reason to be outside in the winter some reason to be out there you to track your [TS]

  steps you know I think I would I might be interested in trying it like I like [TS]

  leon set to the gameplay type thing but it's just that it's never come up I do [TS]

  like sure as hell don't want anything on my wrist watch right but I don't want to [TS]

  put this attached there and then once the clip onto your clothes like I know [TS]

  it's just like my laundry machines we did like it you know I'm not I'm not [TS]

  responsible enough to have $100 little you know rubberized electronic turds [TS]

  clipped my clothes to wash in the first week and I'll buy another one [TS]

  essentially it's like it's like a tax like you know average of $75 a month for [TS]

  the rest of my life to keep I knew Fitbit yeah exactly the same I I bought [TS]

  one I bought the IndieGoGo project Kickstarter one of those things it was [TS]

  called the misfit shine misfit as the company and its like you know if it and [TS]

  it was a little at a little quarter sized desk and had a couple of ways you [TS]

  can way you could wear it on your wrist I chose not to I magnin thing I put into [TS]

  my pants and I had it for six days before I lost it on the seventh day I [TS]

  was aware that thing and I'm no child somewhere you know idea yeah and I [TS]

  didn't remember I couldn't remember the last time I checked it from the day [TS]

  before I remember I definitely had it the day before and at some point I [TS]

  didn't have it and so the phone is the perfect thing that because the phone is [TS]

  like you're not gonna lose track of how much money and use it all the time and [TS]

  it's got the tractor and it doesn't kill your battery so you're good to go [TS]

  like I put that I put the underscore Deviousness but are pluses than my [TS]

  wife's iPhone it doesn't work for her unfortunately because her phone is not [TS]

  allowed in all sorts of places in her work so it's like she doesn't get better [TS]

  he doesn't get the benefit of the steps that are taking place when she doesn't [TS]

  have her phone with a long time that has to be left elsewhere so she's hurt our [TS]

  numbers are low but she has excuses like it's a secure zone 12 stories out there [TS]

  any way to get there is a flight of stairs to see the person the office of [TS]

  the longest hallway in the whole facility no credit Maxwell Smart Gilas [TS]

  doors right white house in fabrics what's your favorite thing what's your [TS]

  favorite thing that they did this year and maverick's I send us an ATP that we [TS]

  recorded earlier in the weekend people gonna think I'm crazy or or a total noob [TS]

  as the kids say like you know the whole thing about 1-10 was slow after ever [TS]

  release of august 10 people on the forums will install and loved it so much [TS]

  snappier right and it's because every time you install a new version of the OS [TS]

  like all your applications everything is fresh like the caches are rebuilt for [TS]

  you like you know it's all of course it feels faster like you just like like [TS]

  System Preferences it was like one bounce it opened Raptors nothing else [TS]

  happening in machine to just rebooted in just reinstalled the OS of course it [TS]

  bill snappy right so that matter fact has always been right but I really feel [TS]

  like having installed Mavericks and so many machines that actually does he feel [TS]

  snap you're not taking into account that yes of course is gonna be a snapper is [TS]

  quickly I've been using it for days and days [TS]

  days like this you know the release version on Mario machines do Rio where [TS]

  an actual work and it feels snappier and could all be in my head I totally [TS]

  willing to believe that all my head but if it's not all my head what is coming [TS]

  from is my computer is doing less useless crap and and that means it has [TS]

  it's more available to do the stuff that I wanted to do and so you know it could [TS]

  just be the difference in animation somewhere could could be ended by giving [TS]

  a terminal for instance like when I use terminal and you know ellis or something [TS]

  local directory do something that's beside Texas seems like a text appears [TS]

  in the terminal window faster and like that can't be possible how could it [TS]

  already appears so lightening fast like you most like I was waiting for their [TS]

  characters it was already so fast [TS]

  why does it feel faster to me so there's some either you know psychological not [TS]

  really there but I think it's there are actual kind of like trickery in a [TS]

  procedure just down from ABC right now if you would just feels it just feels [TS]

  more efficient to me I think it's subtle but I think it I think it does feel a [TS]

  little snap you're too and I'm running it mostly on a very old PowerBook 2008 [TS]

  MacBook MacBook Pro and the 2010 MacBook Air that I mentioned in my my iPad [TS]

  review not new stuff you know so there's definitely a national icon both machines [TS]

  it feels a little simpler and I think there's gotta be room for that [TS]

  Snap Fitness improvement because specifically just comparing the way Mac [TS]

  OS 10 feels to an iPad even older iPads and you know it was just the whole [TS]

  initial appeal of iOS is my god this this feels so much more responsive to my [TS]

  input than my computer even though it's only you know a 10 Thursday 20th as [TS]

  powerful as you know CPU eyes favorite like real feature that is not on my head [TS]

  is the new version are you using my main browser but I also run chrome all data [TS]

  is used to browse have certain things i doing certain things i doing so far as [TS]

  far as my default and one of the things I always liked about so far as I felt [TS]

  like [TS]

  when I had command then to make a new window which I can only do they don't [TS]

  always use tabs too crowded to make a new window just like it was fast like [TS]

  like a native UI everything about his native was fast right and chrome what I [TS]

  liked about it was I felt like one so far we start to get hung up a special [TS]

  Safari six-man you know the WebKit to thing where I would get hung up on you [TS]

  get a dialog box yet to reload all you want us to piss me off to no end when [TS]

  that happened to win something was slower I just like the progress bar in [TS]

  Safari just like hang in there I always knew I could switch to Chrome make a new [TS]

  window and because it was a separate process no matter what the hell's going [TS]

  on all my other chrome tabs on other criminals no matter what the health [TS]

  authorities doing being hung I can get a new chrome window and it will load the [TS]

  damn thing that I want to load cos independent and so going to process [TS]

  pratap in Safari is like you know i maybe this is just me people writing to [TS]

  say I still get that dialog box it says you know things are not responding it's [TS]

  not all the tabs and Safari now just a few of them which I suppose could happen [TS]

  but I get I used to get that pages and I responded by now you know you know visit [TS]

  page reload all the tabs think get used to get on the old version of Safari [TS]

  constantly was driving me nuts was driving to the point where I was [TS]

  thinking of switching my default browser and during the whole course of writing [TS]

  the review on a mountain lion system I kept getting it again and again it was [TS]

  like taunting me like saying goodbye to me and I never once not once still [TS]

  haven't not one's gotten it on mattresses party 7 I don't you know I [TS]

  may happen you know and maybe when it happens it still happens the effect is [TS]

  less but I just haven't seen it all and that that that is a big change in my [TS]

  daily life because if you use Safari browser and you get that thing like more [TS]

  than you know once every couple of weeks it really changes when they just goes [TS]

  away you don't see that anymore [TS]

  guy you the story just told is exactly everything about it I'd safari is my [TS]

  default browser I run I've run into that dialog box all the time [TS]

  over the you know the time that far is used that to to process architecture you [TS]

  know where there is one [TS]

  to render the UI and one monolithic process to handle all of the rendering [TS]

  that whole time was it just just one OS release or was it to its releases was it [TS]

  just mountain lion I'm so bad I remember when I am I think it might have been [TS]

  lyin and Mallory WebKit the whole time I ran into that so many times and when it [TS]

  would get bad that that that and that reason alone made me think that maybe I [TS]

  should switch to Chrome as my main browser the only reason and there's not [TS]

  one other thing about crime that I prefer to Safari except for the fact [TS]

  that Chrome OS four years is headed [TS]

  you know each tab gets its own rendering process I do like other things about [TS]

  crime like I you know I when I use Google's applications nice marriage [TS]

  between all their crazy you know stuff they do to make things fast and [TS]

  everything but just like it's just chromis and again people have different [TS]

  experiences people you know me and say you keep saying chrome is solid crisis [TS]

  me all the time [TS]

  chrome is so solid for me like I i'm in the beta channel 4 chrome attorney went [TS]

  to the regular releases I'm on the bandits every time a new beta comes out [TS]

  I just get it automatically and even that just I always know if I go to [TS]

  chrome and make a new window or new tab I can load a page you will never know [TS]

  what's happening like their their architecture is so good and maybe [TS]

  safaris not up to that level yet but chrome was always been just rock solid [TS]

  and yet they are you Alex weird and I don't like how it's not native and all [TS]

  those stuff but there are things I do like about chrome I wouldn't say that [TS]

  there's nothing else I don't like about but there's nothing there that tempted [TS]

  me to switch because I'm not a big user of Google Apps I don't like the stuff [TS]

  that I don't like I don't like the non-standard you I so that I'm not [TS]

  saying that I can see why other people use Chrome for other reasons but for me [TS]

  the main thing that was always drawing it was the processor architecture and [TS]

  more recently work-related like I've found myself using the dev tools built [TS]

  into chrome I mean you know you think all the boat basin where she was like [TS]

  the WebKit debugger but they've diverged significantly over the years in terms of [TS]

  those things look like they're pretty much feature compromised web inspector [TS]

  does it has featured lacks features is just the way things are arranged again [TS]

  with chrome being so reliable [TS]

  and you know when you're debugging you went back to doing all sorts of crazy [TS]

  crap and seven break points in putting in bed JavaScript are you trying to fix [TS]

  and also to things that can very quickly get Safari confused in hose and hose the [TS]

  whole a piano back in the bad old days was host [TS]

  just i i run chrome never have the relaunching its only work when I'm doing [TS]

  work related stuff and debugging JavaScript that it could be a WebKit [TS]

  related issues or just testing it without that I'm writing in JavaScript I [TS]

  do all my debugging chrome these days even though it's not as nice and pretty [TS]

  as the debugger and and so far in Safari about tomorrow has gotten a lot better I [TS]

  just find myself you know even now with Safari 7 I still use Chrome as my [TS]

  debugger a used to be their use Firebug in Firefox back when nobody had good to [TS]

  buying supper Firefox but so Google feature that most people don't care [TS]

  about if your web developer I think Chrome's web development tools have [TS]

  really come a long way and I mean on them every day I think with Safari [TS]

  breaking the law breaking it [TS]

  WebKit into the separate process architecture and it seems like there's a [TS]

  big political back story to that you mentioned it we're we're invited Google [TS]

  to contribute there's to the WebKit project and Google declined and I also [TS]

  received recalled reading something about how that it wasn't that great [TS]

  anyway that maybe you know that that it was a lot of working what they've [TS]

  learned up with with for WebKit to now with this processor architecture is a [TS]

  lot better than I don't have the better than chrome but better for WebKit as a [TS]

  project in Chrome's specific implementation would have been now I [TS]

  mean it's a little bit sour grapes kinda like if you look at the putting chrome [TS]

  if you look at the krome documents that I LinkedIn thing chrome has the [TS]

  flexibility to do you know the chromium open source project is based on has the [TS]

  flexibility to all sorts of different arrangements in terms of processes in [TS]

  tabs and stuff like that [TS]

  you know it's very flexible and a lot of that stuff is implemented its embedded [TS]

  in the application layer versus being implemented in the engine layer whereas [TS]

  when they did in WebKit like [TS]

  Goulet said here you go like where you know will rip the stuff out of our [TS]

  chromium stop animal integrated into WebKit and refactor chrome to no longer [TS]

  do the stuff of the application level but to use this thing that we put into [TS]

  WebKit like I think you know I would have liked that because I like a Google [TS]

  authority worked out this process stuff and this is really solid but you know [TS]

  Google might have thought that's not the proper place where we like the layer we [TS]

  picked up whatever and you know so that you do something and what it did was put [TS]

  in the engine will make it an engine that will feature because we think [TS]

  that's the right place for it or whatever and I don't think there's [TS]

  anything you know it's a difference in philosophy difference in design there's [TS]

  nothing about Apple's approach that said it was necessary going to be better or [TS]

  worse just had bugs like that not you know it's not working right when things [TS]

  get weird like that why did a bug that have bugs because it's more difficult to [TS]

  make fifteen different processes are you know to make one process communicate [TS]

  with another than to have a one-to-one link tags came with you on way back and [TS]

  versus having you know process pratap we're fine if one goes off the rails it [TS]

  doesn't affect anything else I don't know all I know is that the result was [TS]

  that chrome [TS]

  kicking some parties but in terms of stability and something had to be done [TS]

  and just in terms of what you know what is it like to use it you know just put [TS]

  the anything you can quantify aside you know put the stopwatch down just use it [TS]

  it just felt responsive and you'd like you said you can always hit commandeer [TS]

  command and get a new tab at any time whereas it's far as sometimes you end up [TS]

  with the spinner [TS]

  classic Mac OS and you know ten like pre-emptive multitasking force [TS]

  cooperative whereas on in the old classic Mac days you could anger and [TS]

  application to a degree that it would prevent you from doing something else [TS]

  where nos 10 never know how screwed some application is already a Twitter client [TS]

  like I do this when I like a beach ball and application I just go over to [TS]

  another application that other applications not beach bowl that [TS]

  sampling events off the Q like you know that's we take that for granted but the [TS]

  modern OS that you know the processes are independent the job of the OS to [TS]

  keep them independent [TS]

  web browsers even though it's one application you know logically speaking [TS]

  you think of it as like while there may be one application but I have a [TS]

  bazillion tabs open I want to see this tab I don't care of that with some [TS]

  stupid flashing it's done right and so that architecture like the web browser [TS]

  it's such an important application that it becomes a microcosm of the OS itself [TS]

  it's like you know another level of hierarchy and within this application [TS]

  those tabs better be independent of each other just like processes are [TS]

  independent of each other in the LSC make the tabs process and that's it it's [TS]

  natural and it makes sense like the other approach could have worked it [TS]

  worked fine we wouldn't be having this conversation but it didn't so comes up [TS]

  on changing and I i have been under the impression and I might be again I could [TS]

  be wrong on this but I was under the impression that somebody told me this [TS]

  are not getting my memory is really sore loser John but I seem to recall some [TS]

  discussion but the gist of it was Apple's Safari team never really thought [TS]

  that that monolithic rendering process that handles all of your tabs was the [TS]

  the right decision it was what they it was just a matter of time that they [TS]

  wanted to break rendering into a separate process for security reasons [TS]

  only and it was really about security and the and having all the plugins you [TS]

  know in a sandbox rendering process and that they could get that done in time [TS]

  for Lion and mountain lions but that the work that we now see to get you know [TS]

  each tablet on rendering process you know it was going to take this long [TS]

  anyway so was it better or worse in the interim to have it split into that [TS]

  monolithic 1 I'm almost think it was worse that they would have been better [TS]

  security damn the security implications it would have been better to stick with [TS]

  the old Safari architecture you know where it wasn't a separate process took [TS]

  the lesson of Windows XP you know too hard and said like the web it's so [TS]

  dangerous to have something that wasn't just like sandboxing plug is one thing [TS]

  the second thing was like sandboxing JavaScript execution so there's someone [TS]

  found that exploit where they could put JavaScript coding a web page that would [TS]

  you know 'cause about our phone your JavaScript engine and cause arbitrary [TS]

  code execution that now all of a sudden you have a web page dick like take out [TS]

  people's max steel information and stuff like that and that's especially in the [TS]

  days before I like that you know that the big push to like you know send [TS]

  everybody updates constantly have you know that obvious being shoved in [TS]

  people's faces he had a chance of upgrading everybody like it was still [TS]

  you know coming off the days were like oh god if suddenly they were you know [TS]

  and exploit out there that we didn't find out about until it started [TS]

  affecting people's computers and internet web browser and everybody's [TS]

  using into going over the web [TS]

  we're screwed so I understand the priority of like we gotta get JavaScript [TS]

  execution you know any place any executable code the road from Larry Page [TS]

  runs it needs to be running somewhere has no privileges such a process where [TS]

  can't do anything and yes same thing with plugins get them in a sandbox [TS]

  because the dow I mean I guess the Congress was if we get something like [TS]

  that happens [TS]

  max get a reputation for being bad and unsafe in our browser is insecure and [TS]

  stuff like that and just get it done and hopefully they were hoping it would work [TS]

  out but stability wise it didn't but it's still still probably better than [TS]

  the alternative [TS]

  you know so far is being flaky and occasionally getting that dialogue like [TS]

  you know once a week or so if you're lucky or unlucky does not make the [TS]

  evening news so to speak [TS]

  metaphorically speaking of the scary thing it web page takes over your [TS]

  computer makes the news that's what its Windows XP all over again like it was a [TS]

  PR disaster for the worst thing that could happen to you want to get their [TS]

  reputations hard to shake it so they probably made the right call but you [TS]

  know like so many things in like so many things in people's lives like Howard of [TS]

  our lives have been better if mommy and daddy stayed together how our allies be [TS]

  different if Google and Apple you know it's divided up the labors of inventing [TS]

  the future was cool during the service I double during the client side and had [TS]

  not split up the way they did and you know this is just another another [TS]

  artifact that divorce that their interests were not aligned when it came [TS]

  to you know Google made chrome because it totally line with his interest [TS]

  built in webcam which allowed without interest but it eventually their [TS]

  interest diverted enough to now they're doing blinking apples left with WebKit [TS]

  and they couldn't agree on the process thing and like it's just it's all [TS]

  fallout from that spot in the mail today I just got an advance copy of dog fight [TS]

  which is Fred Vogel Stein's new book comes out this week he's the guy who [TS]

  wrote that story that was in the new york was actually an excerpt from the [TS]

  book that was in the new york times a few weeks ago where he talked to the [TS]

  engineer he got like a former Apple engineer to go on the record and talk [TS]

  about the launch of the original iPhone member that story was great it since the [TS]

  paper I'm ready so it's that was an excerpt from this book and adjust to the [TS]

  book is just specifically how do you know that Apple Apple and Google's fight [TS]

  over you know iOS and Android you know starting I think you know I haven't read [TS]

  the book yet but probably starting like 2005 2006 when they were still saw it [TS]

  it's like you said adding it up with Google doin the services and Apple doing [TS]

  the devices and how they got from there to here with other important I don't [TS]

  read a lot of books like that but this one time and especially based on the [TS]

  exam which I thought was really dynamite [TS]

  nerds like us are so desperate for any real first-hand accounts from inside and [TS]

  you know it's kind of like you just get it from like it seems like you're not [TS]

  going to get it you're not going to get intense like a five or whatever but [TS]

  you'll get like some random dude you never heard of you like so hungry for [TS]

  any scrap of information about like he was there and you know under the worst [TS]

  thing about that is you never know that guy could have an agenda and giving you [TS]

  could be giving you a skewed view of things but you'll never know she's the [TS]

  only person talking at all so we got to go on and we just we just want to know [TS]

  how it happened it's our version of like people magazine yeah and it is this sort [TS]

  of like a pretty prisoner's dilemma aspect to it where it makes sense if [TS]

  everybody just keeps their mouth shut but if one guy speaks up he's gonna put [TS]

  the story out there in his best light and so it kind of makes sense for [TS]

  everybody to talk and makes that's what makes it so surprising that Apple is [TS]

  maintained [TS]

  not the secrecy of why you working on stuff it's not that hard but even the [TS]

  fact that you know five six seven eight years later people don't talk about [TS]

  Apple stuff is kind of impressive but we get like the book that would appeal to [TS]

  me and maybe two other words like you and everything would be this week at [TS]

  this like ambien Lee where people will come off to come out of apple and many [TS]

  years will pass and they'll tell you like more or less benign stories about [TS]

  you know like I like the writer's block website he was work tonight DVD back in [TS]

  the day was that guys name I forget but whatever you like it but it's so far [TS]

  removed now he's just gonna tell some like you know it's not gossip reasonably [TS]

  pleasant stories about like what it was like trying to deal with the iDVD intro [TS]

  and even like an add-on melton telling stories about you know they're not [TS]

  another type of thing that makes for a sensational excerpts from books but the [TS]

  accumulation of all the stories that you either people publisher you here at WWDC [TS]

  like they're not sensational in themselves but you start to form a [TS]

  picture from just from the from the fringes from each little persons [TS]

  anecdotes like this store in our story starring you start to get sort of like [TS]

  we have an outside perspective we know nothing and now like now the shape is [TS]

  dimly visible underneath the black cloth like just from the accumulation of these [TS]

  nice stories from like friendly people die every senior people and it's so many [TS]

  years removed like at this point I remember what I DVD was to remember like [TS]

  the loading IMAX no one cares about things they feel safe in talking about [TS]

  that it's not you know someone just like if we can get the big names ever talk to [TS]

  someone just collected up all the little names twenty years roadway you could [TS]

  make a nice sort of anthology isn't the IDV story I DVDs for another one of [TS]

  those like thirty second meetings with Steve Jobs like the story that they had [TS]

  like this they had all these complex mock-ups of different ways did the [TS]

  design and they were going to present these all these mock ups to Steve Jobs [TS]

  and they came in went to the white board through a rectangle said here's our [TS]

  interface you drag video here and then there's a button at the bottom it says [TS]

  Rep [TS]

  and indeed like walked it is left [TS]

  something along those lines and the other part of the stories like what it [TS]

  was like to be behind the scenes are responsible for making one of steve's [TS]

  like old style macworld demos you know like 30 S 10 free iPhone pre everything [TS]

  to make one of those demos go off without a hitch and everything that goes [TS]

  on behind the scenes was there was a recent story about that [TS]

  what was there was some PC software and their like paranoid that it wasn't gonna [TS]

  work in their dreams from your pockets are drinking in the audience now that's [TS]

  that's the friend focusing story from the engine at the original iPhone them [TS]

  you must have talked about it now and the end they they had a flask Scott said [TS]

  they were passing in the odds of getting through that the demo perfectly and you [TS]

  know that's that's how you can hear from the guy who's like you know his name is [TS]

  not on the marquee he's not he's not on that the PR BIOS page but he's the poor [TS]

  guy who's in charge of the particular application this morning and it damn [TS]

  well better work and each time one of the guys like you know the second or [TS]

  third row Apple guys you know the engineers had been invited each time [TS]

  your thing that thing you had work done if you worked on you know mail and when [TS]

  it got through the iPhone male demo and it didn't crash then you'd just quick [TS]

  take the flask and be like thank God Almighty you know I may have passed my [TS]

  part my mind wasn't the thing that blew up on stage blood like to give her my [TS]

  you get down to the little like the stage at the memories they like how [TS]

  things look great side of the stage like an elevator and those things I've got [TS]

  stuck there would be hell to pay so you know some guys up and down twenty times [TS]

  make sure that doesn't fall when it goes up and down the river somebody told me [TS]

  once that and I'm sure they still do it caused by this topic that after the [TS]

  final rehearsal which I then again I don't know if this is true who knows but [TS]

  I've always heard that they do want the morning of the events that there's like [TS]

  a saint you know they rehearse the day before all day too late at night and [TS]

  then the morning they do a rehearsal I don't know better true enough but after [TS]

  the last rehearsal a white glove team comes out and wipes everything down the [TS]

  desks that the demo max are on the demo max you know [TS]

  everything everything gets wiped down with white gloves to factory fresh [TS]

  perfect that status [TS]

  the reason why just because even just hearing that story makes me nervous that [TS]

  the guys wiping stuff down there in like bumper cable is right and screw up like [TS]

  we're another run through everything went perfectly with the hot hand while [TS]

  the cleaning crew one guy pulled out a little pulled out one tenth of the dock [TS]

  connector slightly and now they're doing all screwed up I mentioned these guys [TS]

  are like CSI crime lab intricate you know delicate you know that they're [TS]

  they're gonna get every fingerprint off the glass but they are like using at [TS]

  least minimum pressure necessary to do it I gotta do a third sponsor in a few [TS]

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  little private Twitter for your internet for your company your team that you know [TS]

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  like actually used Twitter but make up fake names or try to have your own even [TS]

  if it's a confidential just to sort of communicate privately you have your own [TS]

  little thing be perfect [TS]

  the whole thing as social you can comment on any type of content you can [TS]

  add mention your co-workers just like hunt where all of it [TS]

  private to your own team you can follow content updates they've tags to group [TS]

  things around the way you work so you can use the same tagged blog entry as on [TS]

  an event on the calendar and you can group them together by that text it's [TS]

  easy the whole thing as drag and drop to configure to style they have responsive [TS]

  designs that look great on every device from your phone to 27 inch display they [TS]

  have financed from type kit that's probably one of the best type libraries [TS]

  there is no more here's the thing that's amazing it is free to use it was free [TS]

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  go to include software dot com slash the talk-show [TS]

  software dot com the talk show and you can find out so they mention tags in the [TS]

  group thing so tags are in the future and and Mavericks and I had no idea this [TS]

  is something I just did I just wasn't paying attention until I read your [TS]

  review that they really are sort of piggybacked on the old labels labels [TS]

  feature that goes all the way back to system 7 [TS]

  like there has been this feature you could apply color with an associated [TS]

  where to file forever for marriages in India Mexico but you talk to someone [TS]

  who's heard someone say I read somewhere like I think they added those in Jaguar [TS]

  alright I like there is a feature that does that and so it is very on Apple [TS]

  like despite what people think about them like breaking with the past doing a [TS]

  clean breaks in terms of solving a better believe there's already a feature [TS]

  that does that and they already carried across boundaries bring it from classic [TS]

  indo-us tent-like brought it forward you can make a new feature that gives you a [TS]

  new way to apply multiple colors in words to files not making a backward [TS]

  compatible in some way would just be weird and just not people some people [TS]

  used to use labels offline but other people use them like they put everything [TS]

  like the red ones the ones I gotta work on next week and I know when I change [TS]

  it'll be blue like they use them as an alternate way instead of range of things [TS]

  in folders and if you made this new system that was completely independent [TS]

  of that it would not go over well it would be like 10 what do I use these [TS]

  labels whose tax to go back to all my files that are labeled in like tag them [TS]

  with the same color as the labels so it just makes sense from a user [TS]

  friendliness and from sort of an apple philosophy backward compatibility [TS]

  especially for beaches last this long [TS]

  alright will build on it will be a superset we can't you know we can [TS]

  totally make it absolutely have one label but whatever the most recent tag [TS]

  you put will be the label and explain their review the implementation details [TS]

  that are going to explain why did why it works as well why they're only seven [TS]

  labels why are the names you know and names independent of the colors why [TS]

  could I get into his weird scenarios when I copied from one to the other [TS]

  what happens of a changing table able to follow her label but why did not get to [TS]

  pick your own colors you get to do you get to pick any of these seven colors [TS]

  but you can't make your own mom now they could they could do that like it used to [TS]

  be able to ya like it's just you see what is the number 1 260 means no label [TS]

  136 is here if things do you get to pick from and once you understand the [TS]

  implementation than you like oh I see how the behavior falls out of the [TS]

  implementation and why do they use intimidation well because it allows it [TS]

  to be backward compatible with the existing label and white using labels [TS]

  use this crazy ass invitation 'cause there from like 1988 that's why [TS]

  it all it all connects back in the doll gives an explanation of the future it [TS]

  would be difficult to understand what the hell's going on without knowing his [TS]

  attorneys otherwise it might seem like a poorly implemented feature or [TS]

  nonsensical air why does it work this way or seem silly but their their [TS]

  reasons for and it it against the other way that it looks if you don't know the [TS]

  story behind it [TS]

  what makes it seem weird are the default tags which are you know color names red [TS]

  blue yellow a good just seems like an odd batch of defaults [TS]

  remember the old defaults are essential Yeah Yeah right through through an [TS]

  essential in there whenever they were so weird like I would love to be in the [TS]

  media like we're gonna have the full names for the labels and should we call [TS]

  I just remember hoten essential and know exactly what's the difference we should [TS]

  look that up right now you should I do forget that I get the other thing too [TS]

  with this new implementation in tags to me are way more interesting I haven't [TS]

  used labels in years I anticipate using tags quite a bit but I don't think I [TS]

  think they've got this on top of labels and if on the converse euro the type of [TS]

  person who used labels and you want to keep using labels and you don't really [TS]

  want to use tags per se just wanting to use the labels you are used it doesn't [TS]

  really set you back any a little bit in terms of the only thing I can think of [TS]

  is if you really want to just use it the way you always used it and you don't [TS]

  like the new the new way you have to label before you real able to get rid of [TS]

  you know to a good otherwise you'll be adding yeah otherwise you're just adding [TS]

  so you have one extra click to take off the old label when you want to change it [TS]

  from hot to essentially a little words that little tooltip everything's gonna [TS]

  tell you what's going on like and label this will make it clear that what you [TS]

  gonna do is what you thought so here at Airedale labels essential hot in [TS]

  progress cool personal project one Project 2010 hot and cool a cent [TS]

  essential hot and cool likelihood all mean the same thing is essential with [TS]

  orange high was read in progress purple cool is like ice blue personal [TS]

  navy blue project one green project you brown this is all based on my leg would [TS]

  like hot like you know like the boss's boss's once this now this is a hot issue [TS]

  you know or is it like hot like you know sexy and we'll see if you go to control [TS]

  panels labels I am running system 7 up but you can change the names of them and [TS]

  you can change the colors to call you can make him any color you want and like [TS]

  what the hell do they care like you could drive yourself crazy because if [TS]

  you decide to change the label number 12 be important and you make it read and [TS]

  you copy that file to your friends some Saturdays and their label number one is [TS]

  purple as like called trash then suddenly your file comes over and i cant [TS]

  find the file with the red label but it's not read on my machine like the [TS]

  obvious problems always existed in terms of who has the central index of what [TS]

  color and what label and what word and other stuff they have us three bits [TS]

  inside and field service plus and then a mapping of those local nothing about the [TS]

  words and now they can have the same thing but they also have this binary [TS]

  property list XML thing if it contains the list of labels and what they put on [TS]

  the list a word in a number [TS]

  separated by a new line for some crazy reason yeah I saw that it was weird that [TS]

  is really weird I cannot I i SAT there and that was one of those things cuz you [TS]

  know the exact sort of like programming task that I can fully comprehend I [TS]

  understand XML file I can do said like I can't think of a reason why they would [TS]

  do this and I said that I was there is a puzzle let's think about this there's [TS]

  gotta be a good reason and I said there for like 10 minutes and I cannot think [TS]

  of why it's not a separate string and integer [TS]

  it could be like cutting the ends off the road just like it you know it's [TS]

  something that not even like that it's more like [TS]

  when you're writing a project and like quickly and I'll change it later and you [TS]

  don't understand the shipping that way just yeah I mean it's not that you're [TS]

  gonna wanna have new lines and your label name that's not but it's just it's [TS]

  right there in front of you like you you store the number and the name like it's [TS]

  the sitting in a property list right [TS]

  ago in the new line and it sticks out when you're looking at an XML file and [TS]

  you're just used to everything you know being too high and all the posts and you [TS]

  see something new line separated like it looks looks ugly in the dump so here's [TS]

  the spotlight in like maybe you know the text parser that parses out there you [TS]

  know because they want a spotlight index all these labels don't have separate you [TS]

  know extended attributes 2011 extended attribute I guess they can pull you know [TS]

  it's like underscore KMD label that tag name you know they have those k [TS]

  constants that applied [TS]

  spotlight you know what those new to the advanced searches right there every [TS]

  every one of us has a constant looks like a constant from the classic Mac [TS]

  days with a legal case case that and if you were gonna write a query was like [TS]

  where you could say we're essentially filename is contains this and date [TS]

  modified is this is one of those things filename date modified label has a [TS]

  single symbolic name that corresponds to where the thing is so all the tags are [TS]

  in a single one of those is why they're all in one big property was instead of [TS]

  having supper extended attributes you can do where one of the label's is hot [TS]

  and one of the labels like AMD label what everything it will pull that whole [TS]

  property list and maybe it's plain that property list out and parsing it is [TS]

  pulling out the you know the the text part and parcel is like three texts of [TS]

  it was like number name new line and they could use spaces because their [TS]

  names like I'm just making stuff up here but like there are semi reasonable [TS]

  reasons why they want to leverage the existing architecture for simply [TS]

  indexing text content of files and it makes it easier for having this way but [TS]

  it sure as hell looks weird and it's one of those decisions it's like well once [TS]

  you've done that you are creating tons and tons of files with extended accurate [TS]

  still with this exact property list [TS]

  and so you're forever doomed to have to support that weird formatting backward [TS]

  compatibility you know my thoughts my only thought was that it was just some [TS]

  lazy programmer who one day you said maybe if you get back to it and fix it [TS]

  but that you know is just easier to just got the two values it was easier to get [TS]

  the two strings together and separated with a new line because thinking your [TS]

  head will there ever be a new line in the actual name know it probably almost [TS]

  certainly guards against it even if you pasted in tax and had a new line as the [TS]

  tag name it almost certainly I'll bet strips that so you're never gonna get an [TS]

  actual new line there so you can do it and it was easier you know the names or [TS]

  in their region originally was just the numbers right and then we need to put [TS]

  the names that are not gonna have you know that the problem I just described [TS]

  where one person names that one thing we gotta put the names in there too [TS]

  alright well just throw them at the new line in the thing I can talk about [TS]

  things you're not going to see a book written about it should die here's the [TS]

  here's the thing you didn't mention that jumped out at me about tags right in the [TS]

  keynote at WWDC is why are they adding tags to files now and to me I think it's [TS]

  clearly driven by iCloud and the sandbox because now only now with tags can you [TS]

  easily group related documents together even if they're all from iCloud sandbox [TS]

  apps so you could take a txt Edit Profile and other sandbox apps preview [TS]

  and you know and give them the same tag and now in the Finder they show up in [TS]

  the same tag sidebar location even to go further than that I would say all that [TS]

  you can have documents in the cloud but you only get one level of folders now [TS]

  finally you can have multiple of multiple levels of hierarchy you don't [TS]

  get to call them soldiers you get the labels but now you can you can slice and [TS]

  dice things in a big way if you are trying to keep all your documents like [TS]

  the documents in the cloud computing applications that do that just having [TS]

  one level folders [TS]

  eventually starts to get crazy so now tags give you one more organizational [TS]

  tool yes of course also across applications but I think about the cross [TS]

  application things is that the only tool that can they can cross cut that thing [TS]

  is the Finder [TS]

  within the individual like Iowa cermak sandbox the iCloud documents [TS]

  applications you can ask them to show you and only the finder and like you [TS]

  know the defined itself and an open save dialog box it's not looking at iCloud [TS]

  document is looking at your desk [TS]

  those are the only things where you can say show me all the things you know the [TS]

  Jones project and it will find across all the applications and even on the Mac [TS]

  I think I might try to hide them cause they're in a closed container things but [TS]

  if your submission a resourceful and maybe this does that leave you know [TS]

  whether that means really are and where they're in the thing yeah so what you [TS]

  can do you go to a you go in the sidebar to the tax and you click a tag that has [TS]

  files to it and then you can go it'll show you those files and then you can [TS]

  control click on it and say show an enclosing folder and it's a crazy iCloud [TS]

  document container somewhere near library folder and yeah exactly like so [TS]

  for example text edit documents search users grouper library / mobile documents [TS]

  / com till the Apple Tilda txt Edit / documents and a widely used till this [TS]

  day . all the absolute that in the library / mobile documents folder that's [TS]

  where your iCloud sandboxes are but you can get their very easily through the [TS]

  Finder just by going to the tag collection in the sidebar and then [TS]

  control clicking and say show in closing for or are you just show the like this [TS]

  thing that you see the the bottom bar and a Finder window that shows you the [TS]

  path of the little folders there is between them [TS]

  yeah that too is a way to get a display that showed up at your path or whatever [TS]

  but yeah it's it's they haven't solved that problem of the silo documents and [TS]

  tags tags give you one more cool but it makes it all the more apparent like [TS]

  figure in these little islands [TS]

  the application only the Finder can see them all and has no equivalent of the [TS]

  Finder on iOS four you could see ya all the various pieces across all they start [TS]

  to figure out what they can do that but it taxes like it was sitting there like [TS]

  this for so many years building up to this and they implanted extended [TS]

  actually to use them so extensively and all the other features like once you've [TS]

  got extended attributes like that's the first thing everybody else the third [TS]

  party apps that are out there and I've had tons of them over the years they [TS]

  would like we don't need to implement this is part of the OS you can attach [TS]

  arbitrary dated any file all we need is an application that can create the date [TS]

  interpret its a tons of sort of find you like organization applications but say [TS]

  there you go [TS]

  user application and you can apply text your files and organize your stuff [TS]

  according to them and you know tags have advantages over shoulders because if I [TS]

  can only be in one folder according to our rules that way we do things but you [TS]

  can apply multiple tags its kind of the difference between gmail and you know [TS]

  Apple Mail on whether don't get along in terms of you know you know so it was [TS]

  right there for them to do is kinda like taps in the Finder is right there like [TS]

  taps in the tabs on the browsers to make tabs while there are tabs in the Finder [TS]

  browser is a test release you know and we can we could do old three hour show [TS]

  just on the Finder but especially with the the fact that the OS 10 finder is [TS]

  naturally a browser not you know it work that's how would you clearly is meant to [TS]

  work not special thing kind of half heartedly a brother but it's like if [TS]

  you're gonna do a browser we know the house and they just like it's like you [TS]

  didn't get around to it so they got around to taps they got around to tags [TS]

  tags are in a standard Coco thin though are they like there's no way even though [TS]

  it seems like it's using the same tabs as Safari and terminal like but to [TS]

  actually turn elisa's totally different types still even on if you didn't you [TS]

  know just look and feel of the taps well ya never standardized remember tappa [TS]

  tappa tappa [TS]

  Safari 4 briefly right you know this [TS]

  tabs across all applications Apple's kind of decided that they're like [TS]

  vaguely [TS]

  metallica is to be russia now but like they're they're dark gray and they come [TS]

  down and have little rounded corners in this little plus sign to make new ones [TS]

  but it's probably not a standard control because it's definitely not under [TS]

  control now under Apple shares the code like between their well here's one thing [TS]

  I noticed as you pointed out that the new Safari in Mavericks has a feature [TS]

  that that it seems to have learned from chrome whereas your closing tabs it [TS]

  won't change the width of the remaining tabs into your done closing them which [TS]

  enables you to sit there and just click click click without moving the mouse but [TS]

  finder tabs don't do that the Finder tabs act like they copied the old [TS]

  implementation from Safari where each time you close a tab the remaining tabs [TS]

  resize to fit the width so it's if they're sharing code they shared the [TS]

  code from the old Safari and even in an even in Safari it only does that until [TS]

  all the tabs to your right [TS]

  are gone and then it's always safer me theresa right because you can't you [TS]

  don't get the benefit of the click click click click click right where is it [TS]

  chrome chrome because partially due to the fact that comes close box on the [TS]

  right edge of the tab it will even when you have no heart and you're making any [TS]

  right side table still not resize the tab so you can you can click a tag you [TS]

  can click it again close a tab the order to begin with and then it will slide the [TS]

  other tabs that are not here left and it will put the clothes box like crumbs [TS]

  implementation is still better like they had more time to work this out so Apple [TS]

  copied it and I'm not I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't have copy that [TS]

  thing except for the fact that they're closed boxes on the wrong size and maybe [TS]

  more or chrome will totally try to put a closed box on your cursor for as long as [TS]

  it possibly reasonably can wear a safari after you've closed all attempts to [TS]

  write it to give up trying to put a closed box and you just a minor thing in [TS]

  the grand scheme of things because you know people use command W or whatever [TS]

  but it's it's a new feature of chrome the day they were wise to copy even if [TS]

  they copy that kind of you know I never noticed that before I just just played [TS]

  with it so I see what you mean it there's two different resizing those of [TS]

  the tabs in [TS]

  there's one manuscript closed at finished closing all the rightmost tabs [TS]

  then as an intermediate one we're told resize the leftmost ones just to put the [TS]

  next one is closed box under your mouse and then when you're done completely [TS]

  move the mouse way to resize to chill this year and by the way the same [TS]

  features in Safari 619 online like a lot of 61 is kind of like the Safari 74 [TS]

  Mountain Lion users like a lot of these things even like the power saver thing [TS]

  it doesn't run Flash software plugins and everything came back it was just [TS]

  nice like they don't usually they don't always do that you don't always like [TS]

  always get the cool new features that basically gave everyone running mountain [TS]

  lion no seventy-five percent of the 47 including these nicely you I think I [TS]

  always complain one of the things I complained chrome is the fact that the [TS]

  clothes boxes are in right side of the tabs because I feel like because of the [TS]

  Mac I know this is a good Windows Mac thing but closes always been left and to [TS]

  me a tab is close enough to being like its own little docked window that it [TS]

  should you know tab should be like a window and the clothes should be in the [TS]

  left and I've had people argue with me that with the clothes on the left and [TS]

  you couldn't get this tap tap tap to close tabs but that doesn't you know [TS]

  it's harder like this you can see Watchmen chrome stars resizing the month [TS]

  easy for easier for it to put the next close box under your thing it doesn't [TS]

  have a slight everything way over like it's a little bit easier to work out but [TS]

  it's you know that's not a good reason to put it so much I don't think about me [TS]

  about crime [TS]

  favicon yeah I'd say hi I'm hoping I've been hoping for years it's one of my [TS]

  little things that I hope to see a double-dip UTC but I keep waiting for a [TS]

  kid to get standard system no tabs and I feel like the tabs that they should take [TS]

  safaris I think so far as are the best they're better than the finders [TS]

  their way better than the ones in terminal just a little weird yeah I just [TS]

  like the trend is away from tabs even though we're all can't live without them [TS]

  and their adding them back to things in them act like they had attempts this to [TS]

  Safari on iOS right and they made the crazy new updated version attempts with [TS]

  the progress bar is little blue line at the bottom of the tab you know like [TS]

  there there there still seems like they're still in the experimental phase [TS]

  but thats because I don't like their weird mix some key features that we like [TS]

  to use are not used by regular people using the tabs are pretty universal like [TS]

  no matter how novice you are once you see how tabs work people and maybe it's [TS]

  because there's a relation to paper tabs that used to exist way back in the day [TS]

  like they get it they use them and it's not it's not like a power user feature [TS]

  it's like super advanced people used to have everybody uses tabs so even though [TS]

  they make things much more complicated and make us lose track of where the hell [TS]

  things are in the worst case they make us not know where the hell that sounds [TS]

  coming from cuz it's coming from one of the frequent adds that you can't find [TS]

  they get used to my missus remembering this from last time I tinkered with it [TS]

  but I think Chromebooks are just tapped on anything to have windows I think [TS]

  everything is it I think it's you know the whole metaphor Chromebook Chromebook [TS]

  OS chrome OS's tabs if not if not it's clearly how the day in 10 people to use [TS]

  it if you can have multiple windows most of the tiredness opening taps i've seen [TS]

  a Chromebook 13 life and I just realized I don't think I ever use the software I [TS]

  think I just played with the harder it was a Chromebook pixel I know if this [TS]

  shows already been long and I we can go forever on his bed quickly what do you [TS]

  what do you think [TS]

  do you think that the next version of Mac OS 10 is gonna get iOS 7 not enough [TS]

  that it would look like Iowa seven but iOS 7 a score sized visual refresh I'm I [TS]

  think it's probably do wrong if not in this release then the next one but it [TS]

  needs more than a radical refresh of the look [TS]

  is they've got like gotta finish the job they started with like you know D iOS 6 [TS]

  and everything right now is they they just scraped up off the applications [TS]

  they need to look go back to those applications if you really care about [TS]

  the applications like give each give each of those built-in apps a thorough [TS]

  redesign right and as part of that process may be home with some new ideas [TS]

  for the haul ass but a lot of bad a lot about it again it's an older OS has gone [TS]

  through more changes we're out of the sort of iOS 6 level awkward phase like [TS]

  we did that with brushed metal and pinstripes and steal things and laws [TS]

  injures and you know we we did that in the drawers and everything and we cannot [TS]

  the other side and leopard with the unified single window appearance which [TS]

  doesn't still doesn't look bad like it you know it looks good and everything [TS]

  like we had that time were where was like having a you know an original idea [TS]

  and take that idea to its logical conclusion like they did with iOS 6 and [TS]

  say ok now it's time for a new idea that recent was around ten five so I don't [TS]

  overdo for all you gotta change how the menu ROC gotta change how all those [TS]

  standard window title bars look because the old one to look good anymore like [TS]

  its fine right it can be tweaked in a subtle way but they do need to do is [TS]

  rethink all the applications that have been through this terrible trauma of [TS]

  being made to look like their iOS 6 counterparts and I'm not fully recovered [TS]

  and finish the job of you know get dressed Game Center and all those things [TS]

  still look like you know that you still before and and make those applications [TS]

  better like they have so much attention to safari is a part of the review is [TS]

  such an important application like the web browser right but they continue to [TS]

  ship you know mail and reminders and notes in those applications are not best [TS]

  of breed right they don't show up on a great line especially in like with the [TS]

  whole thing with mail not working well as gmail because of the various changes [TS]

  they'd like that they're trying to make it better but they screwed up and you [TS]

  know I don't know anyone who's ever used email with I would never use Gmail like [TS]

  I have no experience in any past versions current pastor just a bad idea [TS]

  because they're not they don't get along I do I do [TS]

  and it's it's only I don't think it's almost because I'm nerdy enough and mail [TS]

  email nerdy enough that I had to I understand the way that they don't match [TS]

  up [TS]

  metaphorically and so because I understand it I purposely work around it [TS]

  like so I don't I know just and I think this is one of the things that people [TS]

  are running into with the Mavericks mail where it's like you if you've turned off [TS]

  the All Mail folder to the IMAP interest in her face in Gmail as everybody who I [TS]

  know use Gmail IMAP is done [TS]

  get two of every email when you search form then when you hit the archive [TS]

  button tends to disappear and reappear in your inbox and stuff so I just never [TS]

  hit males R KY I don't archive I have but there's new bugs in Mavericks were [TS]

  like even if you follow the best practices in either following the [TS]

  guidelines of the old ones are able to the new ones you get into a situation [TS]

  where you'll receive new mail and it will not appear even in your inbox on [TS]

  the Mac but it will appear in the WebUI regardless of whether you have all-male [TS]

  awful like the old way all-male on like the new well I guess this is just full [TS]

  of bugs like it that stuff reflects badly on Apple makes the Mac look bad [TS]

  and so needs to be addressed and in the process of addressing those you can have [TS]

  some new ideas about you I and it could just be like a leading indicator where [TS]

  they might possibly be thinking about going in terms of you I never really was [TS]

  like we never got the iTunes 7 scrollbars the scrollbars we got in line [TS]

  at whatever they turned into little thin graphite sort of lozenges those didn't [TS]

  look like the iTunes one but I don't like let's think about some things that [TS]

  we can do that right so I think the applications are placed experiment like [TS]

  that in the US is due for I mean 10 5 was the big you know we will grant and [TS]

  five and it reset and now we're going around 10:10 injuries said it's kind of [TS]

  about that time and it could totally use with one but I think it's more and I'll [TS]

  be perfectly fine if they just really gave the application some attention and [TS]

  they just put a nice a nice subtle revision of all the you I am just [TS]

  looking a little bit different that's enough like there's nothing there is [TS]

  nothing new equivalent in the current version [TS]

  standard is equivalent to all the security office that there was an Iowa [TS]

  sexist not gaudy and embarrassing you know just look at a barber standard Mac [TS]

  window you know maybe the little laws and to look a little bit dated or not [TS]

  looking at you know who would and felt in London here I've been wondering if if [TS]

  Lucida Grande Grande Grande like when you're starting monday is gonna go was [TS]

  gonna be shown the door once you know the Mac is a mostly retin a platform [TS]

  which I still don't think it's gonna be a while before it's Mac is mostly ready [TS]

  devices because I just don't think it looks that good as as a real phone I [TS]

  think it was nice choice as a screen fun and it went rendered well on nine Retina [TS]

  screen is better than most fun to do but you know there's a reason I guess said [TS]

  before on this show there's a reason why you don't see people using Lucida Grande [TS]

  in real document and print design and stuff because it's not a great find it [TS]

  well there's something to be said for using a fun that people wouldn't using [TS]

  content right thing which the UI from the content right that is true and you [TS]

  know i've talked about this with a lot of people that there is something to me [TS]

  that's a little as a longtime Mac user I've always seen the system fun that way [TS]

  going all the way back to the Chicago and then there was the next one charcoal [TS]

  which you did you did you use charcoal urgent did you revert to Chicago number [TS]

  used to have that option there was like SP sands and their yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  talk about things out but would never do any more used to get a choice for your [TS]

  brush Script yeah but the days you know I always wonder with when they change [TS]

  the phone from Chicago I said I was going to go with it [TS]

  to go even though I didn't like the lowercase R but I did that I went with [TS]

  it but it was always a fun Chicago and charcoal were always do sort of almost [TS]

  like a semi bold fun [TS]

  was not bold enough to be bold but bolder than a regular fun but it made [TS]

  you know it took up two pixels and a lot of places where instead of one and it [TS]

  would look good on Lowe's low Reds low res screens but there is always a very [TS]

  very visceral to meet difference between the UI fund and the content fonts yeah [TS]

  it was it was made weird by the fact that like so the reason Chicago look the [TS]

  way did is because they had to gray out menu items in the original Mac and you [TS]

  can't great things out when you have a black-and-white screen so they had to [TS]

  make every single letter big enough so you could knock out every other pics on [TS]

  checkerboard pattern you still read the words right right and when that's fine [TS]

  and they that also meant they had to Chicago as like for like a long [TS]

  free-form text where they wouldn't use you know the ground right now like a [TS]

  dialogue explain stuff if they would they would use that system fine as well [TS]

  and you just do not want to read a paragraph chicago is like it was never [TS]

  something you'd mind if I just looked awkward but they had to do it because [TS]

  what if you had to go out that text or something you know I just uses and when [TS]

  they went with the new funds like charcoal and stuff didn't need to do [TS]

  that Pixar thing anymore like they had gray scale but they somehow felt like [TS]

  well a system fun if something looks big and chunky and so those funds are also [TS]

  big and chunky in like a listeners like moving its not as thin as Helvetica but [TS]

  you know it's finally shedding that kind of I've got big fat forearms kind of [TS]

  look of the funds right now it doesn't look like that looks like I'm consultant [TS]

  in but I'm also kind of like bold and I look like a label ok I'm labeling [TS]

  something I'm not a headline on that body text you know I'm a UI fun so I [TS]

  don't mind and I don't know what they would replace it with my fear is that it [TS]

  isn't that seems to win before me for a Mac like it seems right for a hand-held [TS]

  especially with iOS 7 like it totally fits their with that aesthetic but I [TS]

  felt them actually be here I'm glad that it's still there are you know I like you [TS]

  so I'm glad that it still has a system [TS]

  I thought it was interesting you pointed out your review that they actually are [TS]

  and this is what I was getting at is that they actually have like new Lucida [TS]

  Grande font files in Mavericks that are optimized and I think that some of the [TS]

  features in there there's a kerning pairs and stuff like that which they [TS]

  actually Lucida Grande never had before it was that the whole textures system [TS]

  got a revision too much better handle like ligatures and all the other stuff [TS]

  you know in regular text but above and beyond that which I would have liked to [TS]

  put a section review about that but I didn't know enough about the details [TS]

  about a change of Texas like you know how much people would care but changing [TS]

  system like above and beyond to change the Texas they made a special new [TS]

  variant of the file I could you pick Lucida Grande in the 1974 raisins and [TS]

  podcast if you pick that funny text datatype with it you're not typing with [TS]

  the same one they used to draw the menus biggest stars of like WABC they were and [TS]

  I think they're still they have a specially tweaked version for when you [TS]

  for one Apple uses it in the UI fact that you actually show up in the thought [TS]

  picker would like some weird name but now you know it's like two different [TS]

  things and I think that's appropriate because the application of a font as [TS]

  your UI thing even if you found exactly the fine you win you always want to just [TS]

  do like well I'm going to tweak it in ways that only makes sense when it's [TS]

  like a menubar new menu item but you would not want to write it if you're [TS]

  using the page layout program in this particular fund like you said it's their [TS]

  labels and label fund is different than a reading fun did you follow that link [TS]

  like one guy after posting review one guy actually figured out what the [TS]

  difference is where and how long blog post go find a part of our view and [TS]

  click on like the whatever that means text because I didn't know like you know [TS]

  i i asked Apple I didn't know what it meant that I have that but like I know [TS]

  you change the font and he said it's optimized to run news like what does [TS]

  that mean it's like well you know like it means you know they didn't give me [TS]

  any specific deal so here's this guy who said ok I'm gonna pull up the funds in [TS]

  my editor and he shows exactly how they change the letter forms for this thing [TS]

  versus the old one [TS]

  whatever that means there we go get some of the changes like every guy says [TS]

  something changes make sense and see what other changes just like was that a [TS]

  mistake into the just forget to change it it's it's weird I saw the Stephen [TS]

  Coles post on the typographical guy but I did not see this here we go [TS]

  great love this guy all right let's call a show get to bed last night John [TS]

  Siracusa thank you so much people can go they can read your review a man can't [TS]

  believe you haven't shame on you haven't already read it but it's at Ars Technica [TS]

  just type in our technical fabrics reviewing in your local Google get to it [TS]

  I was like to be able to type my last name and maverick america's I want my [TS]

  result to be the top one sometimes it isn't but how could that not be the top [TS]

  result as CEO Eric networks that's what I've always called yes the first hit you [TS]

  could find its off the front page of our site at this point that's how old it is [TS]

  but it's it's on the first page of our hearts [TS]