The Talk Show

59: A Dog Named Maverick


00:00:00   you had a rough week this week huh well with the baseball baseball and then you [TS]

00:00:07   got owned by colossus just one after another [TS]

00:00:12   cares who has some tiny tiny men exactly I mean I dont care im not superstitious [TS]

00:00:19   superstitions are for Red as he says everything you need Nova Red Sox fans [TS]

00:00:23   they did you know when they built the new Yankee Stadium a couple years ago [TS]

00:00:28   there was some goofball guy in the construction crew who apparently are [TS]

00:00:34   supposedly purportedly reputedly put a Red Sox jersey in like I provide a [TS]

00:00:42   concrete thing you know [TS]

00:00:43   boorda columnist Dan and then they went up like ripping it out or something I [TS]

00:00:47   don't even know it was there who does stuff like that they were cursed at 86 [TS]

00:00:54   years or whatever it was they didn't curse they just stunk that's it do is it [TS]

00:00:59   superstitious Red Sox fans who thought it was a curse [TS]

00:01:02   whereas Yankee fans to said you know there are they stank [TS]

00:01:08   good team this year though good team my elderly relatives and call the Yankees [TS]

00:01:15   bombs always the bombs those bombs always way but they were Yankee fans [TS]

00:01:21   yeah he's the bombs huh I thought I was that there was also what they used to [TS]

00:01:27   call the the Brooklyn Dodgers yeah I think it's what every person who grow in [TS]

00:01:32   our new york city seventy years ago there are bumps [TS]

00:01:40   big week for you last week do you got to review our aim yeah spending all his [TS]

00:01:47   podcasts on demand we gonna have here are our little you know the media and on [TS]

00:01:56   a call the ecosphere call it but they know the way that there's a bunch of [TS]

00:02:00   Kamal maybe well but it's more than that though there's also people who aren't [TS]

00:02:05   cabal implies that where there's a plan and there's not yet exactly it's just [TS]

00:02:12   you know that there are now shows and there's more websites and stuff like [TS]

00:02:15   that but a lot of people have shows and now you can we can we as you know indeed [TS]

00:02:21   whatever we ours but when we have something big in new come out when I had [TS]

00:02:29   Vesper come out last year you when you know you've got the big really it's [TS]

00:02:33   called them reviews but they're almost like short concise books if you think of [TS]

00:02:37   them as short concise books they don't seem so long but now we can do what like [TS]

00:02:43   actors do when the movie comes out as you go on a bunch of shows and you let [TS]

00:02:47   people know yeah I'm I'm hoping that like when I try to do is gonna have to [TS]

00:02:52   do that so I don't have to go on all the shows that I don't want to go on it is [TS]

00:02:55   go on the shows that I do wanna go on and that narrows down considerably [TS]

00:02:58   like it I don't feel compelled to just you know tons and tons of offers I can i [TS]

00:03:02   cum on her own and that is always you know offers here and there but it seems [TS]

00:03:05   this comes out everybody wants to PC on I have two luxury unlike the people of [TS]

00:03:09   the Gulf promote a movie to write to pick and choose the right so but like so [TS]

00:03:13   you not gonna go on guy English is stupid show now I know I will just like [TS]

00:03:18   I couldn't I like literally couldn't fit in the schedule you know what time do a [TS]

00:03:21   podcast I have like after the kids are in bed and even then usually only on [TS]

00:03:26   weekdays and just you know when I'm booked up on bucked up five slots [TS]

00:03:29   weekend and doing five things a night of my life angry so I can believe that [TS]

00:03:35   trying to get that under control my wife bangers should be happier so how would I [TS]

00:03:42   do it has a reaction gone to the to the review was good I guess people started [TS]

00:03:48   taking for granted like I think it you know I think it's been tapering off the [TS]

00:03:52   past few years in terms of just attention on the Mac at all and so the [TS]

00:03:56   people who like it's still really really like it like that's my that's my core [TS]

00:04:00   audience of the people who do like what I do really really like it but then [TS]

00:04:04   everyone else like this thing around I guess like if you look at the the [TS]

00:04:09   histogram of [TS]

00:04:10   that's what up until like pages quote-unquote pages but not really a [TS]

00:04:13   good look at the histogram of who visits you know the first page second page [TS]

00:04:17   third page of whatever looks like a big you ship tons of people that the first [TS]

00:04:20   page and tons of people read the last page and people who read the middle not [TS]

00:04:25   so much so it's always been like that but now you don't just does well a lot [TS]

00:04:31   of people read it but I think just the interested in general is people are as [TS]

00:04:38   excited in Amenas attempt one-tenth major release like you know it's like I [TS]

00:04:41   did I guess they're still doing that Mac thing let's learn about it a little bit [TS]

00:04:44   and that everything about doing for iOS to [TS]

00:04:51   I don't want to do them for iOS I don't feel like I mean I do the MCA's I've got [TS]

00:04:57   a history in 1984 and everything I've been an iOS users since pretty much they [TS]

00:05:02   want to win just doesn't feel the same to me you know doesn't is not that's not [TS]

00:05:06   my thang some kid who was 12 years old and 2007 should be doing these iowa's [TS]

00:05:12   reviews you know I mean like home [TS]

00:05:14   iOS is that that seminal technology moment in their life after me that was [TS]

00:05:19   the Mac whether it's not I was not that for me lol if you look at my reviews iOS [TS]

00:05:25   is just like the shadow that looms over the entire thing because it's hard to [TS]

00:05:28   even talk about the Mac without you know comparing comparing it to iOS and [TS]

00:05:34   thinking about how it is a reaction to our west or how I was maybe reaction to [TS]

00:05:38   what it's doing like it's impossible to do [TS]

00:05:41   interview without talking about ISO I do but I wouldn't want to review the OS [TS]

00:05:44   proper yet so you know the words it's it's it's your obsession with Pakistan [TS]

00:05:51   that drives it does not just you want to be it's not just that you want to have a [TS]

00:05:56   big comprehensive review of something that Apple's done it this is the daily [TS]

00:06:01   you really you know your your mind just naturally latches onto wanting to know [TS]

00:06:06   all these details and I like and I like Max better like things you can do with [TS]

00:06:09   them in a lot of the technology things I'm talking about like they're probably [TS]

00:06:12   equivalents and iOS or they may have started IRS or whatever but maybe it's [TS]

00:06:19   because I have more back on but it seems like a lot of these things I can get [TS]

00:06:22   more technical info about the details of OS 10 from Apple doesn't going to be a [TS]

00:06:29   recession so much more likely to see some in-depth and users and developers [TS]

00:06:34   really don't need to know that information but they're gonna talk [TS]

00:06:36   they're going to talk about it in a presentation then you would for iOS and [TS]

00:06:39   I guess [TS]

00:06:40   jailbreak ios Center in there with the buggers and poking and prodding it could [TS]

00:06:43   do a similar type of thing but Apple is not offering up that information as [TS]

00:06:47   readily as they have historically offered it up for the magazine is like [TS]

00:06:51   the dev tools and stuff which is common to all platforms and that could be in [TS]

00:06:54   and I was worried just as easily as an artist interview but I like the you know [TS]

00:06:59   weird things in this post I know stan has involved the more like its older and [TS]

00:07:05   so if you look back even though I 07 as big radical break if you compare you [TS]

00:07:09   know iOS will 136 and then seven that's just like the first quarter of West [TS]

00:07:14   End's history of the way it's changed and how just look and feel interface [TS]

00:07:21   technologies underpinning everything that the time before Iowa's existed [TS]

00:07:25   compared to the time after I was 10 has been through a lot because I was still a [TS]

00:07:29   spring chicken so it's maybe not as interesting from a historical [TS]

00:07:33   perspective quite yet [TS]

00:07:35   one thing that stuck out to me and part of it is the fact that this is the 10th [TS]

00:07:39   one and that makes the math a lot easier is you can divide and just sort of [TS]

00:07:48   figure well over the lifetime of Mac OS two even write it sometimes even I know [TS]

00:07:55   it's hard I tried I am trying to train myself out of it it's like one of those [TS]

00:07:59   ways around its coverage only cause to me that putting the Mac in Mac OS 10 it [TS]

00:08:04   just jumps out at you and there's no confusion whereas with iOS and OS 10 it [TS]

00:08:11   is it's all about that OS and to me it's one of those then then I can get [TS]

00:08:15   confused and I would write the wrong one or if I'm reading somebody else's read [TS]

00:08:20   it the wrong way up on reading and like everyone read so much into dropping of [TS]

00:08:24   the Mac and I still don't quite understand the thinking behind it [TS]

00:08:27   doesn't just the basic like well it's it's 11 fewer words simplification right [TS]

00:08:32   but they can drop the mappings then you could have a stint on on Mac platforms [TS]

00:08:36   and you know fast-forward like four years and like now I'm not so much [TS]

00:08:39   yeah there and I was one of those ones and God bless my readers but I was like [TS]

00:08:45   one of those ones where it was I mean like 30 or 40 emails over the next day [TS]

00:08:50   or two from people who all suggesting the same thing that it meant that Apple [TS]

00:08:54   was gonna license tho asked to you know probably not everybody but maybe like [TS]

00:09:00   just for example just Dell Dell make me like I could knows you know who knows [TS]

00:09:06   how these asians come to pass but you know there was that brief moment where [TS]

00:09:09   they were trying to say Oosten was like the common platform Mac OS 10 or iPhone [TS]

00:09:14   OS Mac OS tend to like three days when that was the case and then they [TS]

00:09:18   backpedaled and then later you know took off the Mac again like you know it could [TS]

00:09:24   be preparing for possibly doing that are running in the US and something that's [TS]

00:09:28   not a Mac because it's like a TV thing or would like who knows what you know [TS]

00:09:32   but they just it seems to have a mind of its own psyche what we're doing this [TS]

00:09:36   name change and if if the name change was really going to be linked to higher [TS]

00:09:40   licensing at you think will be announced at the same time it's not like you you [TS]

00:09:43   change the name first and then announced a licensing later [TS]

00:09:46   so the name change like has a life of its own and it's one of those things [TS]

00:09:49   where Apple able to explain why you're trying to ask Apple about you know what [TS]

00:09:53   to do with like the new iPad when you know and they were just they you know I [TS]

00:09:57   was like talking to her political anyway it was like talking points yeah they all [TS]

00:10:03   said the same thing they like you know we have a speech every time you ask us [TS]

00:10:06   we just like to call the new iPad like they're reading from an index card right [TS]

00:10:09   but it's in a way that is utterly a a part of nonpartisan is nothing to do [TS]

00:10:14   with left-to-right liberal conservative Republican Democrat all of them are the [TS]

00:10:18   same here when you get one of them in public especially like on a campaign for [TS]

00:10:24   election day you just cannot knock them off the talking points even if you have [TS]

00:10:29   a question that none of the talking points [TS]

00:10:31   answer will just pick one of them in it and then end up like a non sequitur it [TS]

00:10:37   while Apple is as disciplined or even more disciplined than political [TS]

00:10:41   campaigns at the top of their game because some political campaigns you [TS]

00:10:45   know good reporters can can you know trip them up or whatever but the very [TS]

00:10:49   best most efficient political machines cannot be tripped up and they speak with [TS]

00:10:53   one voice and they stick to the talking points and execute this strategy and [TS]

00:10:57   it's like talking to a brick wall I mean you know who cares for products and a [TS]

00:11:00   big deal with Apple implies that strategy to great effect so they don't [TS]

00:11:04   want to explain why they changed names they're not going to and in the grand [TS]

00:11:08   scheme of things it doesn't really matter so we're just left to you know [TS]

00:11:11   scratch our heads and go well call now so I have a little background on that [TS]

00:11:15   and it's not definitive and i cant you know it's it's off the record and again [TS]

00:11:21   it's not definitive so I could be wrong but somebody that was telling me that [TS]

00:11:25   they had the name iPad Aaron mind all along or at least you know like this [TS]

00:11:33   product was on the road map for a while and then you don't want to call it [TS]

00:11:36   iPad air but that wanting to call this year's new full-size iPad there when [TS]

00:11:44   they could make it this size in this way [TS]

00:11:46   was why they stopped putting the numbers after [TS]

00:11:50   iPad 3 and four because they felt like if they did two more iPads with numbers [TS]

00:11:56   it would create it would make the iPad air when I come out of it wasn't called [TS]

00:12:01   the five make it seem like it I I think they over think stuff like this that it [TS]

00:12:05   would you know that once you get two for it would have to be 5 to be better than [TS]

00:12:09   before but they didn't want to call it that they want to call it there so they [TS]

00:12:13   just stopped just had too much but they didn't but everybody I just call them [TS]

00:12:17   everybody else I we call them the iPad 3 and iPad for ya like that that strategy [TS]

00:12:22   whether they thought it was a good idea or not like all they did was traded a [TS]

00:12:26   future scenario in which people expected number that's one big in the previous [TS]

00:12:30   number for a more present scenario right people had almost all the same stuff [TS]

00:12:34   happened when it was the new iPad and so all that stuff that happened that's what [TS]

00:12:38   they were trying to avoid it was shifted forward in time but just like whatever [TS]

00:12:41   you know I think it's reasonable to take the numbers off the thing but if it was [TS]

00:12:45   their strategy to like we don't we don't want that burden on top of the air we [TS]

00:12:49   want that burden now on top of the iPad 3 you got what you wanted in the flip [TS]

00:12:53   side of that too is it makes me think that they're going to stick with the [TS]

00:12:57   numbers for the iPhone if they thought about that and they didn't want to have [TS]

00:13:02   these numbers and not you know eventually go away for the iPad then why [TS]

00:13:06   would why are they still numbering iPhones so while you wait wait wait for [TS]

00:13:10   the drop a number of the iPhone and then you know three years later the iPhone [TS]

00:13:13   air this can be a thickness of a credit card is gonna exactly that's a good way [TS]

00:13:17   to maybe I also think in general that not that they're not good at naming [TS]

00:13:25   things but they're not good at explaining why they need things I think [TS]

00:13:28   even to themselves that they just you know even without Steve Jobs there even [TS]

00:13:33   as it goes on it's sort of you know they just picked names that feel right [TS]

00:13:38   whether there's any sense to it or not they don't care or names that feel wrong [TS]

00:13:43   like MacBook [TS]

00:13:44   Marcus talking about now I mean it's you know you get used to anything anything [TS]

00:13:49   but like you just have to judge a name like when you first see it and say is [TS]

00:13:54   this name have any awkward aspect of it that's weird and what am i training that [TS]

00:13:57   awkwardness for my train that awkwardness for better brand name [TS]

00:14:00   recognition for the word mac we just took it out of the OS names I'm not sure [TS]

00:14:03   what the grand strategy is their iPod and iPad relying on this you know [TS]

00:14:09   different vowel sound and very similar looking letters to distinguish not the [TS]

00:14:14   greatest but you know it worked out in the end like iPod Touch people call it [TS]

00:14:19   the itouch like it's kind of a mess and in the end the names don't matter that [TS]

00:14:23   much but certainly I would say naming is not consistent naming is not Apple [TS]

00:14:29   structure you know you had to pick a weakness that's where we are recording [TS]

00:14:34   us on Halloween evening I was out trick-or-treating with the boy and his [TS]

00:14:40   friends earlier this evening when they had kids dads who knows what I do ask me [TS]

00:14:46   he says he wants to get a new 13 inch notebook or laptop or whatever and [TS]

00:14:52   wanted to know which one you should get a book or the MacBook Pro and never I [TS]

00:14:56   don't think I've ever heard that one before the name if you're not in if you [TS]

00:15:00   don't follow the stuff that sounds and they'll get in the front of them this AM [TS]

00:15:04   certain areas like in the mix [TS]

00:15:06   sometimes there's mac and is a pad and pods and people don't know people don't [TS]

00:15:11   care I think I could answer form I think I think that's become a very easy [TS]

00:15:16   decision to make just a little bit off topic here but to choose which MacBook [TS]

00:15:22   to buy if you're I think I think if you spend a lot of time running off the [TS]

00:15:27   battery you should get there [TS]

00:15:29   air and if you spend most of your time with the AC cord plugged in and you [TS]

00:15:33   should spend the extra couple hundred bucks and get that pro I think the [TS]

00:15:37   screen is still a factor in my mind I get the Pens of you think people care [TS]

00:15:41   but I think even regular people who know what a bad viewing angle is like they [TS]

00:15:45   don't they can't articulate it but the life you know it it's the case that a [TS]

00:15:49   lot of people still can't tell you anything written and unwritten but [TS]

00:15:52   everybody can tell the difference between you know I P S and TN panels [TS]

00:15:56   like they just you know the screen doesn't quite look as good as if you had [TS]

00:16:00   a slightly off angle that's that's the one remaining weakness of the area and I [TS]

00:16:04   still recommend it was so much easier to recommend it when none of the none of [TS]

00:16:07   the machines are right now I'd like there is that there was a honeymoon [TS]

00:16:10   period where which laptop max I get the default answer was 13 inch air and you [TS]

00:16:16   know and then you get his wall from there and now it's like 13 inch air but [TS]

00:16:20   have you seen the screen on the 13 inch red not even before the revisions that's [TS]

00:16:24   those things look so nice and if you're gonna be spending all day looking at the [TS]

00:16:28   actual laptop screen especially now that 13 inch you know an on-air is getting so [TS]

00:16:33   thin it's it's a harder decision [TS]

00:16:36   yeah it's pretty comfortable to like maybe I'm a little off but I think it's [TS]

00:16:40   getting pretty close to the weight of the original Thirteen age there's as I [TS]

00:16:46   quite there but like if you like I guess I just imagine the original air but it [TS]

00:16:50   didn't taper [TS]

00:16:52   sorry just stuff with extra battery like a bazillion times faster better battery [TS]

00:16:58   life and you know everything else so much better but let me take a timeout [TS]

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00:17:25   people have acquired them to Drobo product [TS]

00:17:31   what is filed transporter it's like your own personal Dropbox its piece of [TS]

00:17:38   hardware you buy it and you plug it in to your home network or your office or [TS]

00:17:44   you can buy to your home or office sign in with the same account and what is it [TS]

00:17:49   do it works like Dropbox it just stinks that any files you put on it [TS]

00:17:54   between each one if you have more than one and all the max you sign into on the [TS]

00:17:58   same account what's the advantage of it while it's your device you control it [TS]

00:18:03   you know where it is and there is no cloud component the only part that [TS]

00:18:07   online that these guys do is the magic to sort of poke holes through your [TS]

00:18:14   router your you know your home network your office network they don't do any [TS]

00:18:18   storage though all they do is connect sort of the peer-to-peer basis just sort [TS]

00:18:23   of get you through the you know what he called the firewall whatever you want to [TS]

00:18:29   call it the router my time I seen this right on fire while he got a final they [TS]

00:18:37   don't store your stuff on any kind of cloud-based system and I can't imagine I [TS]

00:18:42   says her attorneys guys come on I I really can't imagine the the i mean it's [TS]

00:18:49   a terrible complicated and and [TS]

00:18:52   political situation with the US government and an essay in the spine and [TS]

00:18:56   stuff like that that's going on with leaks coming every single week I can't [TS]

00:19:01   even imagine for thought that went into them launching this product about a year [TS]

00:19:05   ago and then to have this next year of news break out like this in terms of [TS]

00:19:10   trying to convince people why you might want to take control and ownership of [TS]

00:19:15   your distributed ubiquitous everywhere you go [TS]

00:19:20   file storage they have an app for the iPhone so you can use that you can [TS]

00:19:25   connect to your stuff from wherever you are even on your phone too great product [TS]

00:19:30   really as works very simply very quietly it's just it it completely unobtrusive [TS]

00:19:36   piece of hardware that is one thing I was 18 when I first heard about it [TS]

00:19:40   months ago my first thought was what do I really want to hook up I'm lazy I [TS]

00:19:45   really am and older I get the laser really wanna hook up some kinda [TS]

00:19:49   complicated you know piece of storage hardware this thing is adorably little [TS]

00:19:56   cute i mean it's you know fits in the palm of your hand very simple to setup [TS]

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00:20:19   code that way they won't know that you came from the show [TS]

00:20:23   cheap you can do things what was the starting cost for this thing done you [TS]

00:20:30   know as you say this point your show to 299 I think of the new one that doesn't [TS]

00:20:37   have the hard drive into the cheaper than they do sell empty one that you can [TS]

00:20:41   supply your own hard drive for something like that there's one you can get 1 to [TS]

00:20:44   get your own unlimited private cloud here it is it's brand new a new device [TS]

00:20:49   $99 that's the little park shape on as a little punk ship one to find anything I [TS]

00:20:55   should also add is nothing no fees you don't pay fees no painting kind of [TS]

00:20:59   monthly thing you buy that it's it's it's like a boy like you you give them [TS]

00:21:03   money for hardware and then it just runs for free after that no monthly fees you [TS]

00:21:08   did buy the thing and really it's it's great if you're a nerd you want to buy [TS]

00:21:12   the one that doesn't come with a hard drive you put your hard drive in an [TS]

00:21:15   otherwise you can get one from them at all set up ready to go right out of the [TS]

00:21:18   box so check them out filed transporter dot com slash talk at this new [TS]

00:21:24   partnership one looks adorable reminds me of the old Griffin thing member that [TS]

00:21:29   Griffin [TS]

00:21:30   other big knob turned or something yeah it was like this it was this hardware [TS]

00:21:36   thing you plug in USB and or is it so cold that it was ADB I think it was a [TS]

00:21:41   big with USB and it was just to you does dial and you can like software you could [TS]

00:21:47   make it [TS]

00:21:48   control your volume you could if you wanted instead you can have it scroll [TS]

00:21:52   would ever after in Kabul with it I'm sure you could you must have been able [TS]

00:22:00   to be criminal not to leave play kaboom that was my favorite one of my favorite [TS]

00:22:06   games for 2600 was a very good game there is a there was a whole there any [TS]

00:22:12   way you want to call that there is a huge honour of classic video games which [TS]

00:22:15   was going side to side caching things [TS]

00:22:20   dial control electives could be just be childhood no rosy rose-colored childhood [TS]

00:22:24   memory but I would love for someone to hook one of those things up to find like [TS]

00:22:28   a TV with IRF interface and everything [TS]

00:22:30   i hook up with period correct hardware and see what is the latency between when [TS]

00:22:36   you turn that little analog knob and when you know the image moves on the [TS]

00:22:40   screen it just felt like you were directly connected wired up to that [TS]

00:22:44   little stack of things trying to catch up as they fall maybe the leg was [TS]

00:22:48   horrendous and I just don't remember because I was so young but in my memory [TS]

00:22:51   that was the most responsive I move part of my body and an image moves on the [TS]

00:22:56   screen interface that I can remember Tory called it the paddle right they [TS]

00:23:02   call them that that controller maybe that was the only device will maybe [TS]

00:23:09   there's a newer ones that come but it was one of the weird things about or is [TS]

00:23:11   it came with two sets of controllers you had said a joy sticks and a set of [TS]

00:23:15   powell as it was for two totally different games are types of games my [TS]

00:23:20   favorite of the genre was circus atari remember that one does not ring a bell [TS]

00:23:26   who it was a really good one it was the same type of thing is you were a clown [TS]

00:23:31   on a teeter totter and it just went side to side and then you add a partner who [TS]

00:23:37   would jump on a trampoline to start and you had to catch him and you know you [TS]

00:23:41   had to catch him on the upside of the teeter totter and then he would shoot [TS]

00:23:45   you up in the air and then you'd be the No [TS]

00:23:48   disco side to side and they were balloons to pop it was breakout really [TS]

00:23:52   but instead of you know I don't know what the premise and breakout is your [TS]

00:23:57   work [TS]

00:23:57   clouds popping balloons yeah my my one friend with the 2600 must not have had [TS]

00:24:03   that game it was good and it didn't look good it sounded so stupid because of [TS]

00:24:08   spaceships too many guns you know the box you know showed you that you were a [TS]

00:24:14   clown so is one of those 14 we got it right when we got our family 2600 for [TS]

00:24:18   Christmas but I never played it and one day I was home sick like the flu or [TS]

00:24:24   something miss school and I was sick and not now I was sick but I was also [TS]

00:24:30   tired bored of all the games I had and then I realized there is the circus star [TS]

00:24:35   game that it never really played in and put it in and had like us like seven [TS]

00:24:39   continuous hours just played it look it up is a good one but it would be if it [TS]

00:24:46   was absolutely dependent upon the panel would make any sense of the joystick [TS]

00:24:51   yeah I think the latency was pretty good on his things I seem to recall that you [TS]

00:24:58   can get it was really you can get very precise I don't think I don't think [TS]

00:25:01   there was much again I we could just be the haze of twenty thirty 30 years she's [TS]

00:25:09   of memories but it seems that you know is very simple [TS]

00:25:15   you know there wasn't much going on there wasn't much processing going on I [TS]

00:25:19   mean it was just electrical impulses from the paddle into the thing and then [TS]

00:25:23   do shoot-em-up on the TV is a great book on this that I have not read but I keep [TS]

00:25:27   meaning to call tracing the beam yeah I think I got a copy of that book like [TS]

00:25:31   like they'd make a courtesy copy is the writer during fireball and it's like I [TS]

00:25:37   never read it but I it's somewhere on my list of books actually want to read and [TS]

00:25:41   I think the title is a reference to the practice of of trying to do computations [TS]

00:25:45   you know the electrons being the scanning left to right to left to right [TS]

00:25:49   during the rosa time of the television in New Year CRT and it was you know [TS]

00:25:53   there wasn't enough memory to do anything for an entire screen image so [TS]

00:25:55   what you would do is do some calculations in the beam was started [TS]

00:25:58   draw them and then you would ditch what you did it start doing new calculations [TS]

00:26:01   before the beam got to the road that you are figuring out what was going to look [TS]

00:26:04   like right I think that's one of the reasons they end up not having read the [TS]

00:26:09   book I'm surmising based but that's that's what makes you think it must have [TS]

00:26:13   been pretty darn responsive is that you just so little to work with and so [TS]

00:26:15   little to do that how could you take time to do anything because you know [TS]

00:26:19   everything had to be respond immediately there was no like big long hard thinking [TS]

00:26:27   about what you gonna do you didn't have time you just have to figure out with [TS]

00:26:30   dr. going to be in throwing up on the screen and reacting but immediately [TS]

00:26:34   one of my friends from college I don't think he listened to the show but if [TS]

00:26:38   he's out there hello Andrew Ross good friend from college Banaue reads the [TS]

00:26:42   site and he corrected me a couple weeks ago somehow pac man came up on during [TS]

00:26:50   fireball and I called the bad guys [TS]

00:26:52   ghosts but they weren't ghosts they were monsters that was there for you know [TS]

00:26:59   what were the bad guys impact man according to the official game they were [TS]

00:27:02   monsters but at re called them ghosts for the Pacman version or the Atari [TS]

00:27:08   version of pac-man because they couldn't figure out a way to animate all for them [TS]

00:27:15   at the same time and so they did they would dry each of them only one-fourth [TS]

00:27:20   of the time and so they looked Flickr and transparent because they were only [TS]

00:27:23   drawing one at a time of the four ghosts are formed monsters so they decided this [TS]

00:27:28   instead of calling it a bug they renamed them ghosts and called it a feature all [TS]

00:27:33   they do look kinda like those they do look kinda like right thing with a sheet [TS]

00:27:37   over its head right holes cut in like a ragged bottom to the sheet you know [TS]

00:27:41   right so if it quite well beyond the monsters thing is just sounds like a you [TS]

00:27:46   know a bad translation of whatever the word is in Japan for these things like [TS]

00:27:50   well roughly means monster will probably because you're talking to that Web stock [TS]

00:27:58   now you know what I think well maybe I was maybe it was maybe it was my website [TS]

00:28:04   maybe that's what it was I don't even think I linked to that talked under the [TS]

00:28:08   maybe he just saw it on somebody else yeah I don't know how I saw it but [TS]

00:28:12   whatever may be just the web stock account someone who retweeted it or [TS]

00:28:16   whatever and I do think though that you're right though no reason that I [TS]

00:28:19   remember them as ghosts because they do they have that that that classic you [TS]

00:28:23   know she'd she'd over ahead look like when Charlie Brown special yeah and in [TS]

00:28:29   simi kids dress like that [TS]

00:28:31   me neither [TS]

00:28:34   good costumes on the kids but it's alright I mean we don't get a lot of [TS]

00:28:39   kids here again like maybe you know three quarters of a bowl of candies with [TS]

00:28:43   the kids and they like younger kids with parents some of them are cute but [TS]

00:28:47   nothing super impressive also not not a lot this year not a lot of the kids who [TS]

00:28:53   are not really dressed up like the kids are a little bit too old and didn't even [TS]

00:28:57   put in the effort to put on a thing for just 13 candy to trick or treating is in [TS]

00:29:03   my wife goes out with the kids and I am the person who mans house so you know we [TS]

00:29:07   can hand out to be a good neighbor whatever and let me tell you you can [TS]

00:29:13   learn not everything needed no but you can learn a hell of a lot in about three [TS]

00:29:17   seconds but every kid that comes to your door [TS]

00:29:19   based on how they deal with the candy situation because some some some people [TS]

00:29:24   when you come to the door they let you know immediately how it's gonna be [TS]

00:29:27   I i just simply extend the bowl and do not offer any advice about how many can [TS]

00:29:33   you should take or anything like that some kids asked how many can we take [TS]

00:29:37   some kids don't ask just take one some condone asking take two hands the kids [TS]

00:29:42   like some kids try to take one say thank you and then rotate around their friend [TS]

00:29:46   coming the other side take another one and you could just like I should have [TS]

00:29:50   taken his kids name down right I got your number yet ok I know about you ok [TS]

00:29:55   just it is a thirty second personality tests for very young children how they [TS]

00:30:01   deal with that ball candy Jonas would certainly be a eight take one he's he's [TS]

00:30:09   very about asking if you extended it and the ball that he would he would region [TS]

00:30:17   and very selectively pick whatever you know take a look and pick one thing that [TS]

00:30:21   he thought looked best for the people asking like it's also the way they asked [TS]

00:30:25   some people are asking as they just want to make sure they're not doing anything [TS]

00:30:28   bad but they're also asking price they're hoping the answer is not one and [TS]

00:30:32   I give different answers a different kids you know I'm running experiments [TS]

00:30:35   depending on how the kids lucky you know since they won some state to really [TS]

00:30:40   towards the end the night I want I want the ball to be pleased to have leftover [TS]

00:30:43   can easily get higher numbers but occasionally they canceled come and I'll [TS]

00:30:47   see a couple greedy people in there and one of their friends will ask and I say [TS]

00:30:50   one actually liked 1 I'm trying not to interfere with the experiment but [TS]

00:30:55   fascinating as you should film it should tell them take what you feel you deserve [TS]

00:31:01   that's like your conscience be your guide and Elmo say to these kids but I [TS]

00:31:05   feel like though you know I don't feel weird house what you've learned about my [TS]

00:31:16   father's little ministers they responded to Marco and and tips to read about [TS]

00:31:21   their their candy and what which can do you think would go first and you know i [TS]

00:31:26   i read it later on and get the answer but I knew the answer but I didn't see [TS]

00:31:29   it what were the options I didn't see the tweet was like whoppers dots like [TS]

00:31:33   look at the Jolly Rancher looking things and butterfingers I think and maybe the [TS]

00:31:41   range Iran's about it being dumb but I you know the kids I've learn this room [TS]

00:31:45   during Halloween they love the crappiest can be whatever is just like sugar just [TS]

00:31:50   like nerds or you know like donald was the first one to go there just terrible [TS]

00:31:54   you know completely sure can be my memories from childhood is that you [TS]

00:31:58   always go for the chocolate first even lower little crazy Snickers bar vs [TS]

00:32:02   anything else like you're not get who wants a jolly rancher who wants a piece [TS]

00:32:06   of gum want some nerds who wants . everyone want to talk let the kids these [TS]

00:32:10   days they want sour patch kids they want dots they want skittles like and we and [TS]

00:32:15   what we get is you know Snickers bars Milky Way bars three musketeers [TS]

00:32:19   butterfingers and also you know skittles and some other type of candy and the [TS]

00:32:24   terrible crap sugar candy always goes first [TS]

00:32:27   boggles my mind I think I've told this story before I think back on the old [TS]

00:32:32   show with Dan but that the gold standard for me and I my neighborhood growing up [TS]

00:32:39   as a kid was always full size pack of Reese's peanut butter cups filled to max [TS]

00:32:46   right you get to a whole peanut butter cups or some other similar full-size [TS]

00:32:52   milk chocolate covered candy bar for Snickers or a full Hershey bar lot of [TS]

00:32:59   people are doing that like it's it's a trend and just posted that s what he was [TS]

00:33:05   doing but like the full size ones that was hard to get spending with the amount [TS]

00:33:08   of kids that we get and I honestly I don't think their parents get a stink I [TS]

00:33:12   have given like this two year old kid a Snickers bar sizes farm right you know I [TS]

00:33:19   I know what it's like to have kids with the small ones you can say we can have [TS]

00:33:22   one candy and the one they're not wired all night one of those Snickers bars too [TS]

00:33:26   much remember there is that the state average family in my neighborhood [TS]

00:33:31   and missus average was always really into Halloween she was one of those moms [TS]

00:33:35   who just loved it added [TS]

00:33:37   pretty quiet house and had like a second-floor porch balcony / porch on [TS]

00:33:43   the second floor and they always every year they hung up a which she probably [TS]

00:33:48   was one of those acres tricks of perspective or I'm sure in real life she [TS]

00:33:52   wasn't actually a five-foot tall taller something but from the street it looked [TS]

00:34:00   like a full-size witch on a broom hanging up there and some lighting to [TS]

00:34:06   letter up in a great she always give up full size candy bars and because she [TS]

00:34:11   knew me you know around the corner she would like let me take two and I and CNN [TS]

00:34:18   I would be like really I would think like this is a trick you're going down [TS]

00:34:22   again trouble on it except the second one right this is this can't be true [TS]

00:34:25   though is that still think I don't think it's no but that these days like these [TS]

00:34:35   days when the kids come we have a super bowl for a peanut-free like that's the [TS]

00:34:39   level things are you know in our neighborhood right and the kids coming [TS]

00:34:43   they asked for the safety of any peanut free to do here you go [TS]

00:34:47   ready for it had a razor blade thing that has got to be one of those things [TS]

00:34:52   that like never actually happen now I don't think it ever did but they just [TS]

00:34:56   the thought of it was just there was nothing you just turn it over in your [TS]

00:35:00   mind as little kids like I love candy on Halloween but biting into a piece of [TS]

00:35:04   candy in finding a straight razor heading into the roof of my mouth would [TS]

00:35:07   not be good don't stop til you get the candy and I remember the other 12 was [TS]

00:35:15   I don't know if it was because somebody figured it out that Hayden even make [TS]

00:35:19   that would actually be like kinda hard to put a razor blade and candy bar and [TS]

00:35:22   then sela back up the other one was that there were rumors that some people put [TS]

00:35:27   straight pins in you know like he's like the things like they give you an apple [TS]

00:35:34   the Apple have the tiny thin straight razor in that you could sneak in there [TS]

00:35:37   and that's just like you know you bite into an Apple you don't want to really [TS]

00:35:40   be involved every year that's all just things that scare kids far as I know [TS]

00:35:44   I've never read an actual documented case of it really happy when it's pretty [TS]

00:35:47   amazing considering how prevalent that myth was and how much you know copycat [TS]

00:35:51   people do exactly like nobody would ever think to do it until it became the [TS]

00:35:58   prevalent mean and then all sorts of weirdoes I guess maybe weirdos have [TS]

00:36:03   trouble attracting children to their houses there really are things like I [TS]

00:36:08   don't really think it was everything where that was an actual problem but I [TS]

00:36:12   know that there were things were you can take your Halloween candy to like the [TS]

00:36:16   emergency room and get an x-ray and I mean that's like an actual thing in some [TS]

00:36:19   places and it's like imagine if you actually like like suffered some kind of [TS]

00:36:25   accident or injury on Halloween and you're waiting you're always wait too [TS]

00:36:28   long the emergency room and then you gotta sit there and wait for kids to get [TS]

00:36:32   their dams sectors explain their candy irradiated yeah I do stuff like that [TS]

00:36:40   just make parents feel better but now I just think that offer that as a service [TS]

00:36:43   at the airport to take one of the TSA lines and let kids walk through their [TS]

00:36:47   candy and see if it's not then you just see the candy like they did about the [TS]

00:36:51   rapper but you actually see what's inside it [TS]

00:36:53   see all the hard hit the gummy bears genitalia [TS]

00:37:10   Mavericks got used to the name of it like in the grand scheme of things it's [TS]

00:37:17   it's weird and awkward but it's fine it's not it's not like MacBook it's not [TS]

00:37:22   like we it's not embarrassing it's just eccentric just fine and apparently it it [TS]

00:37:29   did start I read the story behind the name of the location some point in the [TS]

00:37:36   60 I guess it until then [TS]

00:37:38   surfing culture got to be big and then a bunch of surfers in the sixties found [TS]

00:37:44   this great beach and one of them at a dog named maverick and that somehow that [TS]

00:37:49   and I nuno's of its apocryphal or not but that it came from that the beach was [TS]

00:37:53   Mavericks because it was that's where the dog maverick hang out while his [TS]

00:37:57   owners surged [TS]

00:37:59   you're enjoying a long distinguished line of people who have been telling me [TS]

00:38:03   the origin of the name by reciting to me or summarizing to me the very thing that [TS]

00:38:10   I linked and the paragraph and I never relinquish its like handling I bet [TS]

00:38:16   there's too many this time but the point is you have people like you may not know [TS]

00:38:21   this but Mavericks is actually about you know a lot of people just simply [TS]

00:38:25   reciting or copying pasting the actual page link to Wikipedia page about the [TS]

00:38:29   thing and the second strain of Corrections this is people saying it's [TS]

00:38:33   not actually plural possessive because I get this right is not possessive lot one [TS]

00:38:39   person had the presence of mind to think to the other thing which is my second go [TS]

00:38:43   to that I was gonna like this but I don't have too many thanks I just like [TS]

00:38:46   to the Wikipedia page page explained that when the new place names and their [TS]

00:38:50   possessive they tend to drop the apostrophes [TS]

00:38:53   like that has historical precedent st. Mary's or whatever it's St period Mary's [TS]

00:38:58   but without the apostrophe so yeah I know I totally understand where the name [TS]

00:39:02   comes from I understand what it is but you know if you don't know the backstory [TS]

00:39:06   and you see Mavericks it reads as plural and most people don't know or care [TS]

00:39:10   understand the backstory and that's why it's awkwardly pillar is it really [TS]

00:39:14   parole is it you know it's a plural possessive but you know whatever you [TS]

00:39:18   decide but there's a certain awkwardness do it but you no matter where the people [TS]

00:39:21   know [TS]

00:39:22   Mike and its distinctive and hey it's not a cat right so you know we're off in [TS]

00:39:26   a new direction in there there are plenty of places in California to go to [TS]

00:39:30   next to McDonalds still have the friendlies dropped it that just friendly [TS]

00:39:39   by two singular yeah we're headed with today's switch to face the added 'as [TS]

00:39:46   because everybody called at Friendlys right and so used to be singular [TS]

00:39:49   friendly and for the longest time we had one near I grew up that had a sign on [TS]

00:39:55   like a big fancy signer brick building the didn't have the apostrophe s on it [TS]

00:39:58   and i would tell people you know the place action and friendly right there [TS]

00:40:01   like no I don't come look at the sign that they would swear that signs his [TS]

00:40:04   family until you get out there and look at it and then it's like almost falling [TS]

00:40:07   off nope we had to give in [TS]

00:40:10   we had to in my vague hometown area growing up and one of them was a [TS]

00:40:16   Friendly's and one was a friendly and I noticed stuff like that and I always [TS]

00:40:21   wondered in the end this is before you can look stuff up on the internet I [TS]

00:40:24   always wondered whether perhaps they were two rival brands like McDowell's [TS]

00:40:30   redhead that they you know that some jerk you know started you know friendly [TS]

00:40:34   after friendlies started because they didn't register the trademark on the non [TS]

00:40:39   possessive or something like that [TS]

00:40:41   get a Sunday any Yankees Cup because all I could think was otherwise it doesn't [TS]

00:40:45   make any sense why wouldn't you enforce consistency across all of your friends [TS]

00:40:48   they did slowly did you get you have one of those still remember having those [TS]

00:40:52   there was like the upside down plastic baseball cap [TS]

00:40:54   yeah I still think I have it Yankees version that somewhere I don't know if I [TS]

00:41:00   got one of friendlier where I got that but I do remember having a little yeah a [TS]

00:41:05   little plastic batting helmet roughly the size of a scoop ice cream a pretty [TS]

00:41:11   good deal considering the crap that you get with like happy meals and stuff now [TS]

00:41:15   that you know they just gave you that is the thing they served ice cream many [TS]

00:41:17   take it home and you got a nice little something might actually want to keep [TS]

00:41:21   and I'm similar license for major league baseball is the real logo on it had [TS]

00:41:25   McDonalds still has the apostle of I wonder like did you have the Phillies [TS]

00:41:30   hats or something really think about it but we had Yankees things [TS]

00:41:35   I don't know if I don't know how I got the one that had a Yankees 1900 old days [TS]

00:41:40   when the only thing they just seem the entire country recognized the whole [TS]

00:41:45   country is angry that I don't know how that a no or i you know for all I know I [TS]

00:41:51   remember getting it I just remember having it for all I know somebody's some [TS]

00:41:54   relative of mine got it somewhere else and you know let's get one of those for [TS]

00:41:58   John keep it for him but I remember having a little at Mavericks and going [TS]

00:42:10   off into baseball yeah I really thought this would be the show where there [TS]

00:42:13   wasn't any baseball the episode where they could not be like could have this [TS]

00:42:18   this could have been preempted by game 7 yeah I could have been I kinda had a bad [TS]

00:42:22   feeling about the Cardinals and how much i neva not pay attention to it all but [TS]

00:42:27   like my Twitter feed is still politically like like like a contact [TS]

00:42:30   contact i from baseball talk I was going to write down my dad's big baseball fan [TS]

00:42:37   and we're talking the other day and I guess he's doing he does not like I've [TS]

00:42:41   said this many times he does not like the American League doesn't like the [TS]

00:42:44   designated hitter rule so he just you know he watches sports and he likes [TS]

00:42:48   baseball but he doesn't want a lot of you won't just say if it's too american [TS]

00:42:51   league teams playing on TV ESPN or something he won't watch it so he was [TS]

00:42:56   really kind unaware of the whole beard situation with the Red Sox until I mean [TS]

00:43:01   it heard about it was watching the World Series and he was like he said the Red [TS]

00:43:06   Sox look like the type of guys you saw a couple of them in the bus station you [TS]

00:43:10   just walk away and I i no bad thing but only like you know academically like I [TS]

00:43:17   understand the concept tonight caught a piece of a game and I'm like all right [TS]

00:43:20   this is out of control and someone had a good tweet I forget it was actually in [TS]

00:43:25   poker now may be a comedian saying you know have two series The the Red Sox let [TS]

00:43:30   me go back to their normal jobs of driving carriage for the Amish like they [TS]

00:43:35   were the same serious beard like you know jebediah caliber beer it's [TS]

00:43:40   published out of these people and you know it just looks like to take the [TS]

00:43:44   people who don't you know [TS]

00:43:45   don't base yeah they don't it's not a good look like a little scruffy is good [TS]

00:43:52   but once it goes out into you know size homeless person like that's just too [TS]

00:43:58   much is not doesn't look it doesn't look classy know if I don't know enough about [TS]

00:44:07   baseball to know you I see you making the comments about the weird alternate [TS]

00:44:10   uniforms and stuff like that but all sports teams go through some awkward [TS]

00:44:15   phase but their outfits but if you had to pick a team that is the apple of [TS]

00:44:19   baseball would be the eggs with the pinstripes like it's classy and simple [TS]

00:44:23   and straightforward and even their logo is you know it's not like you know we [TS]

00:44:28   are still looking thing I Red Sox have a certain class to me when you have some [TS]

00:44:31   of the big giant beard and like the the bright saturated red is a little bit [TS]

00:44:36   Ronald McDonald it does it did [TS]

00:44:40   accentuate the unknown unnamed Kunis of the Red Sox Yankees in fact famously [TS]

00:44:46   I'll always had a good grooming code like in the seventies and maybe even [TS]

00:44:56   early eighties when men's fashion hairstyles for longer [TS]

00:45:00   Yankees would occasionally get dinged by George Steinbrenner like a go getta go [TS]

00:45:04   get a haircut done manually exception only got in trouble for his hair at one [TS]

00:45:11   point later in his career and it just became like a weird thing like and i was [TS]

00:45:16   just sort of like an eighties mullet I pluck and I wasn't really long hair but [TS]

00:45:20   I don't know it was like steinbrenner gotta being as bonded over it and [TS]

00:45:24   but Mattingly was already like the team captain and a perennial all-star and I [TS]

00:45:30   just remember as a kid thinking it was a silly thing for the Yankees be worried [TS]

00:45:34   about because they stunk at the time and also the facial hair they did you can't [TS]

00:45:39   you know they've been working at Disney or something like that when you're in [TS]

00:45:42   the eighties you can't can't can't can't scare the kids that you know that not [TS]

00:45:45   only had the big handlebar right you have a mustache beard and get away with [TS]

00:45:53   it I know that there's some pitches a lot of pitchers who don't like don't [TS]

00:45:56   like to shave before they pitch so you could you can go like three or four days [TS]

00:46:00   without shaving you you don't have to shave everyday but you can't grow a [TS]

00:46:04   beard [TS]

00:46:05   you know catches quasimodo doesn't yet know nobody ever sees no one ever sees [TS]

00:46:13   their face or their prehensile tails a sad to see the big cat names go now [TS]

00:46:20   cause I think they're out like I would like to see links in there somewhere but [TS]

00:46:24   get the only one that they that they left on the floor that's kind of cool [TS]

00:46:27   names got an X in it is interesting but that would have to be kind of like a [TS]

00:46:31   middle name months ago lion where can you go i mean not even mountain lions [TS]

00:46:34   cop-out like yeah I guess it's like a lion but different permount mine is you [TS]

00:46:38   know nothing about the lines you know it's it's not lightning bug and [TS]

00:46:41   lightning but it's close [TS]

00:46:42   yeah and Snow Leopard was sort of worked on two levels where I got them an extra [TS]

00:46:48   year without coming up with a new cat and it really did fit that that release [TS]

00:46:54   in terms of it [TS]

00:46:55   famously being the look quote-unquote no new features release and Snow Leopard [TS]

00:47:00   look cool you know I get a pic cool links is probably don't look back over [TS]

00:47:05   the name is cool so that's probably the only one they do and it's kind of a [TS]

00:47:08   shame they never got like when they did cheat and Puma they were not into the [TS]

00:47:13   putting the cat branding out your face yeah there was just behind the scenes [TS]

00:47:17   and then they burn those two names and like and she is great as like the [TS]

00:47:20   ultimate inside joke but the people who put whatever you start with alcohol [TS]

00:47:26   I am I even went yeah I tend to think I don't even know if that's the origin if [TS]

00:47:31   it was it wasn't like hey let's give them big cat names it was oh my god this [TS]

00:47:35   thing is so slow let's call it cheetah internally and then somehow woodstock [TS]

00:47:40   and as the wine names which the least they had the good sense to marking [TS]

00:47:44   Department of the good sense not to try to go with the wine names but they [TS]

00:47:46   continue to have dinner know about this [TS]

00:47:49   yeah they all have you know a super secret code name is pushing out of the [TS]

00:47:56   when the code is being a Jaguar resist or to become the the marking them as [TS]

00:48:00   well they have one names and I get around to me you know that but like I [TS]

00:48:06   even up to life in line was like parole or something I don't drink wines Pinot [TS]

00:48:11   was it was maybe and 34 something I remember that if some some apple person [TS]

00:48:17   could send you an email and tell you all the names were and are but if you if you [TS]

00:48:21   like great through the various shell scripts and other readable things [TS]

00:48:25   occasionally you can find a commenter a reference to a name of wine and that's [TS]

00:48:29   what they're talking about [TS]

00:48:30   I figured if I talked about this and if I did I would think it might have been [TS]

00:48:34   when you run the show also could have been in person at WWDC I don't know but [TS]

00:48:40   if I'm repeating myself forgive me either I forget what it's been on the [TS]

00:48:43   show three months ago but the other names that were went unused but couldn't [TS]

00:48:51   for obvious reasons I was talking to somebody else about him was you know how [TS]

00:48:55   could they if they wanted to how good they've got another cat cougar which [TS]

00:49:01   they didn't want to use for the connotation in pop culture of older [TS]

00:49:06   women who chase young men but cooler is a pretty cool you know until recently I [TS]

00:49:12   think they could use that I think that that usage of Cougar is kind of a [TS]

00:49:17   a modern thing and I think they could have gotten over that I don't I don't [TS]

00:49:22   know that that the snickering over calling aversion cougar would have [TS]

00:49:26   lasted any longer than the snickering over iPad yeah it was perfectly [TS]

00:49:32   serviceable name right you know what is it it's called the big 12 maxi pad you [TS]

00:49:39   know I think Cougars have you know I mean there is John Cougar Mellencamp [TS]

00:49:42   it's pretty cool cat was the other one can remember there is one more that they [TS]

00:49:51   could isolate is you know is one I think I swear I've had this conversation [TS]

00:49:59   before I just can't remember if it was on the show and I Jonas used to play in [TS]

00:50:04   when he was seven and eight year old little league teams in the league he [TS]

00:50:09   played here in Philly all the teams had big cat names and I think that there [TS]

00:50:14   were ten or eleven teams in the league so where was little bit more than you [TS]

00:50:19   know maybe they're 12 teams so is more than OS releases in there there was an [TS]

00:50:24   ocelots which i think is probably the worst most of the kids can't even spell [TS]

00:50:30   that and the other cool cat was one of his team names and they did I know that [TS]

00:50:35   Apple considered it I think if they have gone one more this is the one they would [TS]

00:50:38   be used was Wildcats yeah I mean I a lot of these names as you know any [TS]

00:50:45   biologists points out the like different names for the same actual animal and the [TS]

00:50:48   known by different names and Wildcat I'm assuming is you know what the hell is a [TS]

00:50:53   wildcat right right but like the Wildcat is a 12 definitely has you have to type [TS]

00:50:59   that something has to be something while the bed like right Mavericks is like [TS]

00:51:03   those little bit maverick different or whatever but not it doesn't like Wildcat [TS]

00:51:07   like Wildcat could be like when you do you know I was six to seven times [TS]

00:51:11   transition Wildcats wild [TS]

00:51:13   but you can't just let you get to slap that on something like a bad call this [TS]

00:51:17   one Wildcat all the reviews of like this is very wild even now like a lot of them [TS]

00:51:23   are like it's a even mine like it's not particularly maverick I made that point [TS]

00:51:27   the end of its like kinda like it was the slowest maverick is not really you [TS]

00:51:32   know boldly asserting you know new direction it's kind of not however I am [TS]

00:51:39   gonna spoil it I'm going to assume you know hopefully I think that you know [TS]

00:51:43   anybody out there is listening if you had plenty of time to read John's [TS]

00:51:49   reviews so I mean I don't want to spoil it but at the end you you said it was [TS]

00:51:52   for western wear anthropomorphic you you cast as as OS 10 woody allen and you [TS]

00:52:00   said iOS would be the suave call Brad Pitt [TS]

00:52:04   totally see Brad Pitt as iOS anthropomorphism I wouldn't say woody [TS]

00:52:09   allen well I say not not the OS but this particular is kinda like you will you [TS]

00:52:16   know I don't know about this whole thing we can get the word out there but I [TS]

00:52:21   think everything is ok to leave the felt in Game Center but like what you like [TS]

00:52:28   it's like dion is kind of cool some of his movies you know but he also can get [TS]

00:52:34   easily flustered and seems uncertain right and so this thing is like it's [TS]

00:52:37   it's kind of got a little bit of you know [TS]

00:52:40   woody allen is smart and resourceful and and and introspective like those the [TS]

00:52:46   subject to the same time for introspection seems like a list and is [TS]

00:52:48   like looking itself in the mirror and know what to do with my life and swiped [TS]

00:52:52   awful lot of the crap that was added all those applications make him look like [TS]

00:52:55   books and apps but it's also done to this point is white the stuff off like [TS]

00:52:59   it just smear smear smear glad they're gone from County but it's not like I let [TS]

00:53:04   me just radically rethink all these applications and some of them did you [TS]

00:53:06   get time to clean up so it it it knows it doesn't want to be but it doesn't [TS]

00:53:10   want to be but doesn't even have the time to rewind it and so that's why I'm [TS]

00:53:14   looking for something it's like you know what do people of different impressions [TS]

00:53:19   of Woody Allen's that's difficult say like when [TS]

00:53:21   most people would not think of the Woody Allen like maybe if you're in Iraq New [TS]

00:53:26   Yorker you will look up to the island and some degree was other people might [TS]

00:53:30   look at woody allen is just entirely like the you know sort of nervous [TS]

00:53:33   waiting fidgeting type of thing but there admiral things about woody allen [TS]

00:53:37   but he also has that angle of uncertainty in the you know always [TS]

00:53:40   question himself yeah I guess there is this sort of introspection is a good way [TS]

00:53:47   to put it where that's really where most of the changes and Mavericks are i mean [TS]

00:53:51   i mean it's it's really obvious you don't have to read it [TS]

00:53:55   24,000 Board Review to figure out that it doesn't really look different than [TS]

00:53:59   before [TS]

00:54:00   other than as you said in the case of specific apps that have been teased s [TS]

00:54:08   words school more sized the apt 4d forestall do you forestall right but [TS]

00:54:16   what did they end up looking like they've really all those apps you know [TS]

00:54:19   contacts and it really does look like Generic apps you know it's just a very [TS]

00:54:28   straightforward right out of a pocket and not even that because if you had [TS]

00:54:34   made them straight without kids they would not be like they are what they are [TS]

00:54:37   is like underneath like like makeup if you wipe out all the makeup underneath [TS]

00:54:41   areas like just the thing that was always under the strangely structured [TS]

00:54:45   like that like you know contacts where they had three panes out of the book [TS]

00:54:48   once you get rid of the book art it's like what I ever make this window if I [TS]

00:54:53   didn't know that previously had started to the book type thing and they made the [TS]

00:54:56   three panes more or less independently resizable so you can get it into [TS]

00:54:59   arrangements they would never correspond to a book that always had to be split [TS]

00:55:02   down the middle but if you just started from scratch and make new contacts when [TS]

00:55:05   do you never make a window like that it only makes sense if you look at all I [TS]

00:55:08   see it used to be covered the book you know like our aura the the Notes [TS]

00:55:13   application OIC this used to be yellow lined paper in the sidebar now just kind [TS]

00:55:17   of like this page thing like you have to know where it came from the current [TS]

00:55:20   Windows to make sense otherwise they look kind of small and squinty in [TS]

00:55:23   strange and weird fonts and don't look like you know Mac outside all day look [TS]

00:55:27   like iOS apps that have [TS]

00:55:28   scoured down that's more or less what they are and I assume its good enough [TS]

00:55:32   time to do anything else they sure as hell not [TS]

00:55:36   not ship in that letter stuff anymore that was the easiest ok just replace it [TS]

00:55:39   with a great throw a little bit of the you know then held that occasion there [TS]

00:55:43   for like a month or whatever but they're they're not entirely rethought its just [TS]

00:55:47   like you know backpedaling yeah note in particular I think really kind of sticks [TS]

00:55:53   out to you can like double click on oat open it into its own window but it it [TS]

00:55:58   doesn't have a standard window title bar all it's used to be like a little while [TS]

00:56:04   sticking out and now they're not that yellow anymore now is just like a weird [TS]

00:56:07   when he doesn't doesn't make it doesn't read that well and and I reminders kept [TS]

00:56:12   like whatever the crazy black stuff is like well didn't have time to read your [TS]

00:56:16   mind the next time they get to redo Game Center is just too much graphics and all [TS]

00:56:19   those people too busy working on iOS 7 now and you know whatever sort of like [TS]

00:56:26   if you want to go at the end there were more fires damn it's sort of like [TS]

00:56:31   somebody who's like sobered up after a long bender and Game Center is like the [TS]

00:56:40   face tattoo yes sort of [TS]

00:56:43   or you know it's you know maybe a face tattoos a little tough but little little [TS]

00:56:48   out there but yes the hangover but it's you know it's the lampshade on the head [TS]

00:56:54   you know and that's like you know just like cheese I'm just gonna put out [TS]

00:57:01   t-shirt [TS]

00:57:03   addressed to the introspection know I did you know so yeah they look and feel [TS]

00:57:13   is obviously it's really just taking out those over the top school more fit [TS]

00:57:18   resources and that's really the extent of significant changes to the way it [TS]

00:57:23   looks i mean IQ change the document I mean like they always screw yea doc on [TS]

00:57:29   the side looks different now yeah [TS]

00:57:30   there are so few there are so few user interface elements they're guaranteed to [TS]

00:57:34   be visible s10 the doc is that like the dock menu bar in the window title bars [TS]

00:57:39   like that's the look of the OS because there's not too much of the surface area [TS]

00:57:42   anytime they changed dockets like that's that's the one thing you know is going [TS]

00:57:46   to be in people's faces and let me know so most of the changes you know how do [TS]

00:57:52   you read the 24,000 where review of an OS two didn't really change that much [TS]

00:57:55   the way it looks [TS]

00:57:57   it's you know the stuff that's new is under the hood and it's really sort of a [TS]

00:58:02   deep by it is sort of introspective it so why are we doing this why we why have [TS]

00:58:07   we spent all this time over the decades leading the background processes [TS]

00:58:13   consumers much CPU time as they could and I what it what is the purpose of the [TS]

00:58:17   OS what is the job of the US DOT job used to be like give every process all [TS]

00:58:21   the resources they need to manage access to the hardware and coordinate the mall [TS]

00:58:24   now them you know just maximize it and now it's like you know like the parent [TS]

00:58:29   was too permissive [TS]

00:58:30   realizes like what what is the purpose of being a parent is it just to give you [TS]

00:58:33   get everything they want maybe not like I can't talk about my house I was shown [TS]

00:58:39   you know because you had to have you had a choice like you're on a phone you can [TS]

00:58:42   have all that crap in the background and there was that there's that story that I [TS]

00:58:47   don't remember the source of this maybe you do it like Steve Jobs [TS]

00:58:50   I'm the source of the story I wanted to tell you this this is my story well I [TS]

00:58:55   wasn't there but I dunno I spoke to someone who was there it was after the [TS]

00:59:04   IP original iPad was unveiled so it's 2010 and you know the secret project [TS]

00:59:10   everybody does something something Apple doing a tablet but you know and like any [TS]

00:59:14   Apple project only the people who worked on the iPad knew about the iPad before [TS]

00:59:19   it came out i mean the iOS team news [TS]

00:59:23   but then after it came out and everybody in Apple knew what it was and then he [TS]

00:59:27   could do in there was a meeting with the hardware team for the MacBook hardware [TS]

00:59:31   team and it was what we gonna do for the next map and you know and jobs had been [TS]

00:59:37   on his first medical leave the when I first but the first two years of his [TS]

00:59:43   life in 20 2009 he'd been gone a lot of the time it was when he came back that [TS]

00:59:49   first that whenever the medical leave that started with Kim canceling the [TS]

00:59:54   Macworld keynote in this etcetera and was when he came back in the summer as I [TS]

00:59:58   was gonna do with maybe less time that he can spend spend the rest of that [TS]

01:00:03   you're doing original iPad but it really devoted himself to him he knew the iPad [TS]

01:00:08   in and out and so is next meeting with the MacBook people this must have been [TS]

01:00:12   pretty late March of 2010 it could take a manner many expect it was like [TS]

01:00:19   budgeted at like three hours was like a three hour meeting with Steve Jobs the [TS]

01:00:24   line when he came in carrying an iPad and they were all the existing MacBooks [TS]

01:00:31   run the table and he said here look at this this is a sleep and touch the [TS]

01:00:36   button on your iPad and it instantly turned on because now it's a wake [TS]

01:00:39   because I can do it again turned it off he says now it's a sleep now at awake he [TS]

01:00:45   goes why can I do that on this and pointed to a Macbook and any just left [TS]

01:00:50   the room and it's the same thing that we all felt like you know the iPhone to [TS]

01:00:58   begin with is like that's why it seems so magical you use it and you're like [TS]

01:01:01   why is this thing that I know is like one especially the original iPhone 1 [TS]

01:01:06   10000 as powerful as the Mac why does it feel so why does it feel so fast [TS]

01:01:11   why does it feel so responsive what kind of unfair to the Mac Book hardware team [TS]

01:01:16   that's who he was talking to you it's not just a hardware solution is found in [TS]

01:01:22   the software side of that coming it's like you know all these things that I [TS]

01:01:26   always does [TS]

01:01:27   to YouTube to be there responsible hardware [TS]

01:01:32   finally getting them back to get some of their religion do less stop only do what [TS]

01:01:36   the user asks you what they asked immediately everything else you know get [TS]

01:01:41   screwed and that you can't do that entirely on the back of the part of the [TS]

01:01:44   package uses be able to run all the stuff in the background but if you did [TS]

01:01:47   you spend any time with the command-line tools like SMS usage in the old days I [TS]

01:01:52   see usage and show you what's going on your system [TS]

01:01:55   overseas in particular I'm always looking at what the hell is grinding [TS]

01:01:59   disc today so much crap just just run the scene on your machine FSM underscore [TS]

01:02:04   usages should be in your path if you got that may be part of the dev tools look [TS]

01:02:08   at how many processes adjust your disk tell me like one of these things doing [TS]

01:02:12   something really need to be checking this preference file 30 times a second [TS]

01:02:16   you know it's sometimes I have written a bug reports for a program to say your [TS]

01:02:20   program is look looking at this Feist adding the smile like a literally [TS]

01:02:25   hundreds of times a second [TS]

01:02:27   like that seems excessive don't do that and and Mavericks is you know like what [TS]

01:02:31   is the role of the OSCE introspection and maybe the role of the USS that is to [TS]

01:02:34   say I don't care how fast you want to check that file if you're not the [TS]

01:02:38   process of the users interact with your some faceless demon and something else [TS]

01:02:42   going on and more important things are happening you're gonna be throttled I'm [TS]

01:02:46   gonna give you less CPU time and you know that's always been no process [TS]

01:02:49   priority and stuff like that but I'm a ghost has always prioritize the [TS]

01:02:53   interactive task over the 90 director once the Mavericks is really cranking it [TS]

01:02:57   up not just giving us time but also trying to have fewer of those things [TS]

01:03:01   happening and it's kind of weird happening at the same time that I S [TS]

01:03:04   seven is finally saying OK couple of applications can run in the background [TS]

01:03:07   kinda like you do in the Mac like you know I was used to beat the system [TS]

01:03:11   regime where nobody gets around only one process it once and now you know with a [TS]

01:03:16   seven is that they don't have enough CPU power to say okay we can open up the [TS]

01:03:19   policy can run in the background [TS]

01:03:22   subject of some description restrictions and you know the Mac is coming from the [TS]

01:03:25   other direction trying to lock everything [TS]

01:03:27   down but it's one of those things where I feel like you had to go all the way to [TS]

01:03:31   the iOS iPhone and iPad to sort of open your eyes to to these questions the [TS]

01:03:38   questions didn't occur prior to that [TS]

01:03:41   like why would you let an application that the user can even see why are we [TS]

01:03:48   letting it spend as much CPU time is it wants to update its you I you know that [TS]

01:03:54   doesn't make any sense whereas iOS that's like when you think when you sit [TS]

01:03:58   there and think why why why does the ipad get amazing battery life and one of [TS]

01:04:04   the things is even now that it has multitasking and you can keep multiple [TS]

01:04:09   apps in memory to some degree and you get a real win out of that when you [TS]

01:04:13   switch you know if you're if you're switching from male to Safari to your [TS]

01:04:18   Twitter client and all three of them can stay in and open in RAM they may not be [TS]

01:04:24   doing stuff in the background but then when you switch to them it's right there [TS]

01:04:27   where you left off and there's no weight at all but on the other hand it's not [TS]

01:04:31   doing anything in the background that you don't need that and all of a sudden [TS]

01:04:37   I think that you know Apple is clearly asking why can't the Mac be more like [TS]

01:04:40   that about Steve Jobs story at that time and you know to this day but at that [TS]

01:04:48   time as well [TS]

01:04:48   Max had an amazing reputation for being the laptop that wakes from sleep really [TS]

01:04:53   really fast like the gold standard of the industry you know and like even [TS]

01:04:57   among PC users they see how fast this before that meeting they had this [TS]

01:05:00   reputation and it's exactly is it totally Steve Jobs move to come into the [TS]

01:05:04   room and the one thing he picks on as the one thing that that MacBooks are [TS]

01:05:08   universally recognized as being the best in the industry and that's the thing [TS]

01:05:11   that he's as crap and why the crap because Apple itself had made a device [TS]

01:05:14   that shows you know don't don't be satisfied merely by being laptop to wake [TS]

01:05:18   from sleep the fastest there's a whole other realm of possibility over here on [TS]

01:05:22   this little thing right [TS]

01:05:23   don't just compare yourself to the Windows PCs right and and the thing [TS]

01:05:28   about the iPad I remember back in the day and I find myself looking into this [TS]

01:05:31   I think I even in there if you like the iPad was so amazing [TS]

01:05:34   hour battery life that's when laptops for like three and four hour battery [TS]

01:05:37   life and you look at you like how the hell does this thing have a 10 hour [TS]

01:05:42   battery life when the battery for like a MacBook Pro or whatever [TS]

01:05:48   weighs more than the entire iPad we have this huge battery and we got like three [TS]

01:05:53   hours may have a better it so skinny that we're going to shove in the back [TS]

01:05:56   and they continue to happen is the better get skinnier and skinnier it was [TS]

01:06:00   like you know the Mac laptops had bigger batteries and now finally with [TS]

01:06:04   maverick's as well like finally Mac laptops are getting the benefit of [TS]

01:06:11   having just massively more battery than than the iPad iPad now has a little tiny [TS]

01:06:15   sliver iPad areas like a battery is probably a sheet of paper inside there [TS]

01:06:18   you know there's no room in their batteries so tiny compared to the [TS]

01:06:22   battery in 15 inch MacBook Pro which is just you know seven big chunky cells and [TS]

01:06:27   I just a small bit like and like a MacBook Air with running Mavericks are [TS]

01:06:32   getting like you know 14 15 hours about her life so now suddenly the world makes [TS]

01:06:36   sense again the thing with the bigger battery does get more battery life [TS]

01:06:39   whereas before I was like the thing with the bigger battery gets a third of the [TS]

01:06:42   battery life of the iPad why in the world does not even the 11 inch MacBook [TS]

01:06:47   Air which could has the smallest battery of any MacBook cuz it's the smallest [TS]

01:06:53   anything but if it weighs two and a half times as much as an iPad how could it [TS]

01:07:00   not get better battery life [TS]

01:07:02   matches yea but it was you know and I think it's only really with this year's [TS]

01:07:06   models that it really jump past and like you said with maverick's it's clearly [TS]

01:07:10   passed it I mean it's as well as the big part of it in terms of like it you know [TS]

01:07:14   the hardware that was the big win you know get getting the CPU putting more [TS]

01:07:18   stuff on the chip you know like we're not it's not an A seven system-on-a-chip [TS]

01:07:21   yet but like where they're going towards each other and then the software side of [TS]

01:07:25   it is the other half of that ok we have the CPU and chipset the table to not use [TS]

01:07:29   a lot of power is not doing it now it's the OS is job to make sure we're not [TS]

01:07:34   doing anything when we're not doing anything [TS]

01:07:36   well you you but you ran your own tests for your review where you you know it's [TS]

01:07:41   like a real world tests on some kind of abstract benchmark [TS]

01:07:45   it was loading web pages waiting a couple seconds you know maybe the [TS]

01:07:50   simulate actually you know looking at the web page and then closing in [TS]

01:07:55   loading more yeah I got a new found a new family always had respect for an [TS]

01:08:00   antagonist people thought the benchmarks were doing benchmarks like this like [TS]

01:08:03   synthetic ones are so much nicer caused a repeatable but I'm doing real [TS]

01:08:06   benchmark using real websites right and 30 websites vary from day to day right [TS]

01:08:11   and you install the Flash plugin [TS]

01:08:15   a real-world usage but then if if if your advertisements that are flash based [TS]

01:08:20   consumed CPU it matters which adds look yet and it's like I would have to say [TS]

01:08:25   I'm trying to trying to compare Mavericks to mountain lion and I you [TS]

01:08:29   know you'd run I don't have one machine TestInside run the Mavericks when I [TS]

01:08:33   reboot great for the battery charger on the next one and I kept getting I was [TS]

01:08:38   getting such variability on the mountain lion on average when they're pretty [TS]

01:08:40   consistent but the mountains on just very like crazy and so you know I went [TS]

01:08:45   the numbers in the review our direct numbers from runs right but we had many [TS]

01:08:49   many runs and I was like should I average done should I not I just kind of [TS]

01:08:52   took one and actual run that was kind of in the middle but they vary its like [TS]

01:08:56   what is the weather on the Internet today in terms of flash and crap and if [TS]

01:09:00   it's a bad flash and weather day on the internet the machine that willingly runs [TS]

01:09:04   flash ads is gonna get slaughtered and maverick's like I'm care with the flash [TS]

01:09:08   and weather is like a load the Flash nine but I'm not gonna let it auto play [TS]

01:09:11   like I intentionally pick pages that occasionally had auto playing ads [TS]

01:09:15   YouTube and occasionally as well like I was trying to pick you know sites that [TS]

01:09:20   might go to the test itself I think it was gentle like it was a light usage [TS]

01:09:26   task is it was like go to web pages change to attempt to go to a txt Edit [TS]

01:09:29   dollar-yen an ally of tax let the autosave thing work [TS]

01:09:32   hi the window show the window bring this tab to the front pipe that tab like but [TS]

01:09:36   it's really like yousuch you know not doing anything strenuous but also in [TS]

01:09:39   that respect it's not representative of you actually that using a hammer and a [TS]

01:09:42   computer I just wanted to see like what kind of percentage increase could we get [TS]

01:09:46   and I was trying to get no demo app nap making sure that was a factor like I was [TS]

01:09:51   stopping for like five seconds at least between [TS]

01:09:53   changing tabs to simulate like reading some 25 seconds and that's enough time [TS]

01:09:57   for a nap to kick in and flash was there demonstrate the amazing benefit you get [TS]

01:10:02   by Donato playing flash ads even though flash was installed like you know so [TS]

01:10:06   it's if you will read it and they should look at the mountain I never did not [TS]

01:10:10   currently getting 12 or 13 hours out of mountain lion you're not gonna get [TS]

01:10:14   fourteen hours out of Mavericks it's like the percentage increases probably [TS]

01:10:18   represented but you know the absolute values like it depends on your battery [TS]

01:10:22   but that it it it does seem true them in a really just seems bottom-line true and [TS]

01:10:28   I it's one of those things that seems it's and it sounds too good to be true [TS]

01:10:32   and everybody naturally sort of just think so let's see when you know Craig [TS]

01:10:38   Federici first ran through the features back at WWDC of Mavericks and said that [TS]

01:10:45   you know we can get with these things that we're doing you know app nap and [TS]

01:10:49   coalesced network and tires yeah and I owe you know that you can even just [TS]

01:10:57   collapsed hitting you know hitting hard drive that you can you know that adds up [TS]

01:11:03   and you're gonna get you know I don't twenty thirty percent more battery life [TS]

01:11:07   just by upgrading to the new OS that sounds too good to be true you know and [TS]

01:11:12   Apple wouldn't I asked if they had any kind of number that they were going to [TS]

01:11:15   throw out there is a marking type thing and you know I'd really didn't expect [TS]

01:11:18   anything and to their credit they didn't give one because this is the thing about [TS]

01:11:21   battery life with the whole the whole game here is you're not like the battery [TS]

01:11:26   has the energy is the CPU has Angie has not so I was trying to visit with the [TS]

01:11:30   graph showing WABC like look at the CPU uses like nothing when you're not using [TS]

01:11:35   it but it uses 25 watts when you're when you're hammering it like it's a 54 watt [TS]

01:11:40   hour battery do the math how many hours do you get when you're using 25 watts [TS]

01:11:44   batteries 54 yr you don't get twelve that's for sure [TS]

01:11:47   like that's the thing about battery usage and let's talk about the [TS]

01:11:50   application so much is that you get this [TS]

01:11:53   you get this new OS and you go out and put on your machine you like wow it [TS]

01:11:56   really battery life increased there is nothing the OS can do if you're running [TS]

01:12:00   a bunch of crap that is just you know your CPU GPU constantly like the OS can [TS]

01:12:05   stop that if you have some third party thing [TS]

01:12:07   in your menu bar during 60 frames a second car that is gonna suck your power [TS]

01:12:10   like a vampire like Mavericks asshole trick is it doesn't magically make more [TS]

01:12:13   battery and makes less stuff go on to go on your good like you could burn your [TS]

01:12:19   your battery just as fast as you can amount to be just a bad application just [TS]

01:12:23   one bad application so what do you call it that the wall of shame in energy [TS]

01:12:30   shaming it's a great idea and I think it's one of my favorite part of your [TS]

01:12:34   review because I noticed the feature and that's interesting and it shows in for [TS]

01:12:41   anybody doesn't know it's like when you go to the battery meter in the menu bar [TS]

01:12:44   and I swear that show up on desktop I would I want to look for it recently I [TS]

01:12:51   wish that showed up on desktops because even though I don't have battery power I [TS]

01:12:54   want to know what the hell is stealing my CPU citrate my desk and doing all [TS]

01:12:57   this crap right so they they it sits in the battery meter so I guess you don't [TS]

01:13:01   see it on to the low battery thing in the menu bar and you pull it down and in [TS]

01:13:05   addition to telling you stuff it used to tell you you know whether you show the [TS]

01:13:10   percentage or not or just show the icon and it now has a list of apps using [TS]

01:13:15   significant energy and so they called posited in terms of energy but like you [TS]

01:13:21   said it also means which apps are slowing my system down if there's an app [TS]

01:13:26   using thirty percent of your CPU even if you're plugged into AC if you're using a [TS]

01:13:30   Mac Pro or iMac or something you'd still like to know about that out because if [TS]

01:13:35   you can make it stop doing that your machine will be fast and it's brutal [TS]

01:13:39   because like crystal shows the icon so like hear your faces out there you know [TS]

01:13:44   and the battery manual like people know about the better man une like they just [TS]

01:13:49   know about it like it's it's they like that on the menu bar that they don't [TS]

01:13:52   just look a little icon like it is very likely to be found as you can get all [TS]

01:13:55   the same information that is going activity monitor but nobody knows about [TS]

01:13:57   activity there so if you look at the menu it's it's putting in front of [TS]

01:14:02   marlys regular users faces potentially your application icon and like I said [TS]

01:14:08   there have you like if I was a developer I would be kind of annoyed by this [TS]

01:14:12   because you just know the support email you like all your apps using significant [TS]

01:14:16   it's a game you're playing the game of course [TS]

01:14:20   it's not magic like and your app is gonna show up just gonna have to field [TS]

01:14:23   request after West about like yes I know people are going to complain but it's [TS]

01:14:28   it's the only way to do it to get you no shame that people who really need to be [TS]

01:14:31   shamed like you're stupid to think that I'm not even using issue with the health [TS]

01:14:36   of the right leg and and when you select from the menu it goes to activity [TS]

01:14:40   monitor with the application highlighted like as in kill me now those equipped [TS]

01:14:45   but dried up and they're like it's like volunteering to say this year's to get [TS]

01:14:49   the application you wanna kill it off just click this big red stop sign button [TS]

01:14:52   in the toolbar Markel it so the day the Mavericks came out my friend James [TS]

01:15:00   Duncan Davidson the photographer he just emailed me with your boy screenshot of [TS]

01:15:08   his appt shame list which listed Photoshop and he said this is Renault [TS]

01:15:15   documents and you know and now there's things where it's like if you really do [TS]

01:15:23   you know if Photoshop is who knows what the hell is doing but if it's doing [TS]

01:15:28   something where it's using can significantly energy don't even have a [TS]

01:15:32   document open but you were professional work is such that you need Photoshop [TS]

01:15:39   what do you know this is what you're getting at though you're not you know [TS]

01:15:42   computers there D be used for something right but Mavericks isn't going to [TS]

01:15:47   magically make that less painful on your battery and the thing is that's not [TS]

01:15:53   instantaneous snapshot of like looking at Activity Monitor top-rated like that [TS]

01:15:57   and he stopped his averaged over a long period of time so it's trying to say it [TS]

01:16:01   like in the past 10 minutes fifty minutes our whatever the given activity [TS]

01:16:04   monitor like the average energy and packed like it's not like right now I'm [TS]

01:16:08   not doing anything Photoshop why is it in the menu it's in the menu because [TS]

01:16:11   over the past little while that's been the guy that's been using a lot of your [TS]

01:16:15   hand she even if you're not doing it right now so if he was just saying I [TS]

01:16:18   don't have any documents but now it's still on the menu yeah it's going to be [TS]

01:16:20   on the menu but if you haven't touched Photoshop and 10 15 20 minutes it's [TS]

01:16:24   still on the menu then maybe something's gone wrong like obviously it's there [TS]

01:16:28   it's their kind of unfairly and its I think the the annoying users who are [TS]

01:16:33   going to send an email to developers maybe not go because they're not gonna [TS]

01:16:36   listen to whatever but you know if you're if you make some little [TS]

01:16:39   application and you keep sending you email maybe it'll make you you know he's [TS]

01:16:44   a session about how can I make my application energy more energy efficient [TS]

01:16:47   because there are so many crew that regular developers can do an apple [TS]

01:16:52   trying to preach to them and WBC saying oh you know having session after session [TS]

01:16:55   about here's how you be energy efficient they've been doing that for years and [TS]

01:16:58   developers alike yeah yeah whatever now for the support loading your customers [TS]

01:17:02   realize that you're doing something silly then maybe like ok fine I'll go [TS]

01:17:06   look at the sessions and our launch an application yeah and I don't know it's [TS]

01:17:10   just one of those cultural things were maybe you know it's like we all do you [TS]

01:17:14   know it's like the way that you know certain values get get hammered just [TS]

01:17:22   kind of become ingrained overtime like you know I don't know maybe a bad [TS]

01:17:26   analogy but when I grew up you know nobody had car seats and kids just stood [TS]

01:17:30   in the back seat and jumped up and down into you got to where you're going now [TS]

01:17:33   if you saw like a four year old kids standing in the back seat of car you'd [TS]

01:17:37   be appalled you would call please I wouldn't you know that diana right well [TS]

01:17:45   I don't want to die just wish I could just send like thought his way and hope [TS]

01:17:50   that his parents aren't safe drivers I don't get involved so terrible would you [TS]

01:17:56   call the police talk to me about it [TS]

01:18:03   but you know collectively we we've shared we've we've we've raised the [TS]

01:18:08   importance of safety in cars you know collectively you know where adults are [TS]

01:18:13   expected to be wearing seat belts seat belts are expected to be you know you [TS]

01:18:17   know we expect even more now we have airbags and side impact airbags we have [TS]

01:18:22   all the stuff you're expected to you know survivalist car crashes you know [TS]

01:18:27   it's just become a priority and I think that energy usage and and doing you know [TS]

01:18:32   just every little step along the way you know prioritizing these things as gotta [TS]

01:18:37   become like a developer priority yeah I remember what I actually said but I was [TS]

01:18:43   tempted to say that that little menu that little presence in the menu bar is [TS]

01:18:46   like the most important energy saving feature of the OS term paper because [TS]

01:18:49   it's it's the part you can do all you want with the internals and all you [TS]

01:18:53   would develop evangelism but it's like it's so hard to you know it's as I eat [TS]

01:18:57   your vegetables it's so hard to get people to care about this you need [TS]

01:19:00   something what's going to move the needle on this one aspect of this [TS]

01:19:04   because that's the worst thing that could have happened up and that's one of [TS]

01:19:06   the reasons that I ran my Mavericks energy test with only Apple supply [TS]

01:19:10   applications plus flash is because if third-party developers don't get on [TS]

01:19:15   board with this there's nothing matters can do to keep it to extend your battery [TS]

01:19:18   life because you just can't keep writing the same third-party applications you [TS]

01:19:21   have all your battery and you know maybe the OS trying to be quiet will help a [TS]

01:19:25   little bit if the OS itself if you aren't using Apple's bundled [TS]

01:19:28   applications you are getting the benefit of Apple's work they did on that in a [TS]

01:19:32   few the OS is really doing anything anyway so maybe get a little benefit but [TS]

01:19:35   third-party application because kill your battery life and so how do you do [TS]

01:19:39   that if we made this amazing OS that can be super angry official we have all [TS]

01:19:43   these new API's you alarming you're not visible learning to draw stuff and set [TS]

01:19:47   your priorities and throw if no one uses those API's you don't get the benefit of [TS]

01:19:51   all his hard work how the hell do we get people to use these API's you have to [TS]

01:19:55   shame them you have to put him up there and go this guy right here he sucks you [TS]

01:19:59   know and you're going to unfair of the same applications that are not doing [TS]

01:20:03   anything bad that are being used a lot because or because the whole point in [TS]

01:20:07   them is to do something [TS]

01:20:08   Cpl I like a game like a guessing game is going to destroy her battery life [TS]

01:20:12   that's the whole point of the game is to use every single resource on the entire [TS]

01:20:15   system to it [TS]

01:20:15   if you're not using every excuse in unity and every corner CPU and you know [TS]

01:20:20   using all the bandwidth and all the processing power new GPU and you know [TS]

01:20:24   that's not a good game design right you shoot three hundred photographs and a [TS]

01:20:28   bunch of videos on vacation and come in and plug it in and takes us start [TS]

01:20:32   sucking those pictures off your sdcard and iPhoto or Lightroom or Aperture and [TS]

01:20:36   you have it set to you know a portrayal Lightroom I don't know but you can like [TS]

01:20:42   you know like default filter over every one of them [TS]

01:20:47   filtering 300 photos of want while reading from a slow sdcard [TS]

01:20:51   gonna be you know that that's exactly what you're asking him to do though is [TS]

01:20:55   did do something that is you know I O and CPU intensive and so it's gonna get [TS]

01:21:01   painted with the same brush so it's not it's not a perfect system but that's the [TS]

01:21:05   only the only tool they have at their disposal they were desperate numbers [TS]

01:21:07   like we've just got a shame you know like I guess it's kind of still hidden [TS]

01:21:12   the little bit but it's it's prominently Activity Monitor is not sufficient [TS]

01:21:16   people click the battery menu especially when they want to be like the time [TS]

01:21:20   remaining if they don't display it you know like I see the battery is the [TS]

01:21:25   little stuff inside the battery is no do little but i wanna know how much time do [TS]

01:21:28   I have left and a lot of people don't display that in the menu bar know if you [TS]

01:21:31   can anymore because takes a more rooms they click click to see it there's the [TS]

01:21:35   whole shame right there I love it I do I do I do I just did not give this is one [TS]

01:21:41   of those injuries didn't give it a lot of thought before reading your review [TS]

01:21:44   and then I realized you said I really do think it might have the most lasting [TS]

01:21:47   impact of all these changes I'll let me do the second sponsor break and talk [TS]

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01:22:28   off-loaded to a cloud service so you can do OCR even if you are connected to the [TS]

01:22:35   network or if you have sensitive documents that you can't share you know [TS]

01:22:40   maybe take a HIPAA type thing you're not legally can't have this thing going off [TS]

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01:22:50   PDFs with the OCR text included they support sixteen languages for OCR it's a [TS]

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01:23:06   great PDF these guys have been doing great stuff with PDF [TS]

01:23:10   longer than I can remember they have sharing options you can share by Dropbox [TS]

01:23:15   Evernote other services but you know just have to drop box alone means that [TS]

01:23:20   you can use your iPhone or iPad to scan documents putting together multiple [TS]

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01:23:35   App Store at the intro price of just $4.99 five bucks and it's like you've [TS]

01:23:42   got what used to be you know 200 $200 document scanner right there on your [TS]

01:23:46   iPhone they have a great video a demo video by David sparks whose great [TS]

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01:24:17   scanning is one of the things I still like let out a sigh when I realize I [TS]

01:24:21   have to use my scanner because I've got my printer hooked up to my airport thing [TS]

01:24:25   but I can't do scanning through its every time I got asked and I have to [TS]

01:24:28   like plug the printer directly into the computer to use the stupid flatbed [TS]

01:24:32   scanner in the thing up so terrible I just stopped doing that but I don't care [TS]

01:24:38   about you know like I just want [TS]

01:24:39   scanning documents for you know archival purposes of every mistake my phone or [TS]

01:24:44   iPod thing yeah it makes sense for me I mean that's what am I do I mean how [TS]

01:24:51   often do I need to scan something but when I do it's such a pain and appear [TS]

01:24:54   like PDF and their application for editing PDF always an army dealing with [TS]

01:24:59   PDS like a preview would almost kind of so close to being what you want to be [TS]

01:25:03   like you can't really do that caused the PDF PDF sign editable the readonly PDF [TS]

01:25:08   Penn concept of its PDF but you can find screw it was like oh thank god there's [TS]

01:25:13   nothing worse than just dealing with a PDF change one little thing in modifying [TS]

01:25:17   some simple way to you think should be possible and is not right and it's you [TS]

01:25:21   know when I first saw that PDFs that you can have their were clearly scanned but [TS]

01:25:28   where it had been OCR so you can search swype attacks this tax rate because this [TS]

01:25:34   is clearly not a fun this is you know the facts and everything and powerful [TS]

01:25:40   stuff I always see our seems like one of those tasks I get stiff never going to [TS]

01:25:45   be perfect of course you've talked about this on your show with mark on Casey [TS]

01:25:51   about talk to mark about it to the episode a couple weeks back for Casey [TS]

01:25:57   brought up the episode of The Shield show where they made a joke about Siri [TS]

01:26:03   you pointed out looked serious could improve a lot and maybe needs improving [TS]

01:26:07   but it's never going to not be make funnel right we're never going to get to [TS]

01:26:13   a park point where a recent our lifetimes where AI isn't going to be of [TS]

01:26:19   some kind of uncanny valley where it's clearly not a person [TS]

01:26:22   and therefore we can make fun of it OCR is sorta like to get really depressed [TS]

01:26:26   about that [TS]

01:26:26   think how often you see people make fun of their human you know [TS]

01:26:30   co-workers or assistance of an actual human it was the subject of ridicule [TS]

01:26:36   about how doesn't understand what you want because it's not inside your brain [TS]

01:26:39   like it's it's an unsual is literally an unsolvable problem you know we have like [TS]

01:26:45   direct to live in fear [TS]

01:26:46   become a hive mind you know and same thing with OCR like human beings can [TS]

01:26:51   read stuff but it's sufficiently smudged in crappy [TS]

01:26:53   just look at the stupid captures the payoff to do on on the web [TS]

01:26:57   did you see the ball in his last name the guy from tablets tablets Paul and I [TS]

01:27:05   but he bought a surface Microsoft Surface to try it out and capture ya [TS]

01:27:17   sound like a lot of you buy a new surface and you start setting it up in [TS]

01:27:22   the first run experience like step for the first run experience is to do it [TS]

01:27:26   capture just in case your robot right with with hot dog fingers using this why [TS]

01:27:34   do they care for robots are buying services you're buying a surface [TS]

01:27:39   maybe you know you know with water filter hot dog fingers like a machine [TS]

01:27:45   somewhere where they have a better services lined up with these little [TS]

01:27:48   things you know trying to scam captions are [TS]

01:27:54   I capture that I don't understand the scenario that they're defending against [TS]

01:27:59   either is the gogo wireless internet on the airplane at least the network we [TS]

01:28:11   have on USAir and you have an account I fly enough ravel just have my account [TS]

01:28:17   credentials saved so when I'm on an airplane and there's wifi type in my [TS]

01:28:22   password I say yes use my saved credit card and then I have to do it capture [TS]

01:28:28   and it stinks like if you're on the phone because [TS]

01:28:31   it took you can't see the capture and see the text field and the keyboard all [TS]

01:28:37   the same time so you have to memorize the capture and then type it in and its [TS]

01:28:42   case sensitive it's like what what i don't understand what they're defending [TS]

01:28:45   against I just gave you my username and password I just let you charge my credit [TS]

01:28:49   card why do you know why am i doing it capture there is a BS business buzzword [TS]

01:28:54   to explain every crazy like that and I think in this case the BS word is best [TS]

01:28:59   practices which is someone just sighed as best practice having captured every [TS]

01:29:02   logon screen and the blanket apply that policy why best practices best practices [TS]

01:29:06   in Berlin topic and you know and so you end up with it in places where it makes [TS]

01:29:10   no sense because you didn't take it there so I could understand its best [TS]

01:29:13   practices that captures now its corporate policy way the future and [TS]

01:29:21   you're seeing that movie The Aviator [TS]

01:29:23   oh yeah I love it I wonder I mean I i've seen it as well but I think the movie is [TS]

01:29:30   more obscure than a lot of other things a reference even like The Big Lebowski [TS]

01:29:35   but now it has come to prominence due to their obsession with it [TS]

01:29:39   yeah I think that the Aviator I have sought when I didn't see it in theaters [TS]

01:29:44   it's another you know it's the whole having kids thing where I don't see many [TS]

01:29:47   movies at all bidders anymore it's too but I did see it when it first I love [TS]

01:29:51   big scorsese fantasy when it first came out on iTunes I got it and I'm being a [TS]

01:29:56   little disappointed the first time I saw it I don't know what I expected it to be [TS]

01:29:59   I guess I [TS]

01:29:59   I guess I [TS]

01:30:00   needed to be goodfellas with the billionaire and it wasn't and I was a [TS]

01:30:05   little disappointed in a wide still a year or so ago and thought my god what a [TS]

01:30:10   remarkable I really hate the second time I watch the year two later to three [TS]

01:30:14   years later I really thought you know this is just fantastic love them [TS]

01:30:22   grows on you you know I don't think I'm obsessive compulsive I don't have any [TS]

01:30:27   kinda sorta like that but I read it it seems like such an otherworldly if you [TS]

01:30:32   don't have to suffer from it and it's hard to imagine it and I feel like he [TS]

01:30:36   really kind and I i buy the second time my wife came out of it thinking somehow [TS]

01:30:41   there but for the grace of God go I maybe I am a little closer to that than [TS]

01:30:44   than comfort yeah I think everyone can identify with it a little bit some some [TS]

01:30:53   more than others lets a great guy that Howard Hughes was I don't know if I've [TS]

01:31:04   ever seen anything about in there wasn't like a fictionalized like newsreels or [TS]

01:31:07   interviews or anything about the actual persons all I had in my mind is the the [TS]

01:31:11   fictional Howard he was just building airplanes building casinos and gaming [TS]

01:31:18   famous actresses making movies there's a life that I mean there's more was there [TS]

01:31:24   to do in the bottles are in tissue boxes and doesn't end well thats this is [TS]

01:31:32   really really this is a cautionary tale about working from home should be on the [TS]

01:31:37   watch out for this is exactly that is sort of that is sort of I think what [TS]

01:31:44   made it uncomfortable for me so I installed the David underscores [TS]

01:31:49   undercover David Smith we say his name to understand his phenomenal app for the [TS]

01:31:57   iPhone [TS]

01:31:58   what's it called steps I forget what [TS]

01:32:01   plus plus I don't know what I don't know how it got to pluses but her plus plus [TS]

01:32:07   great app I think it's a free app and there's a guy you can do it like an [TS]

01:32:11   in-app purchase to give me a couple bucks but it just ties into your [TS]

01:32:15   motioned processor on the iPhone 5s steps I take shockingly few steps in [TS]

01:32:25   something this is still before winter you know it's it's actually you know [TS]

01:32:31   october in philadelphia is actually beautiful it's probably probably my [TS]

01:32:36   favorite month climate wise in philadelphia it couldn't be more [TS]

01:32:40   beautiful we haven't had a lot of rain there's zero reason why I shouldn't be [TS]

01:32:43   getting more steps than at any point here and I you know when today I took [TS]

01:32:49   thirteen steps to get coffee in the morning to you too like the Starbucks [TS]

01:32:53   down the street from everyone make it home ok [TS]

01:32:58   the Fitbit and everything that you shouldn't buy you one and you could be [TS]

01:33:01   like that but he's motivated is now you just have like thirteen steps of this [TS]

01:33:05   like you did you walk really carefully through your bed to the office of those [TS]

01:33:09   unaccounted steps like your shuffle your feet and your bunny slippers I said [TS]

01:33:13   here's my actual score for Wednesday October 30th was 3466 steps but you're [TS]

01:33:18   supposed to get colored red like so 10,000 as everybody says what you want [TS]

01:33:25   every day [TS]

01:33:28   3466 on Wednesday to step things differently cuz I park in a parking [TS]

01:33:35   garage like about time I get there and I run up and down the steps to the fifth [TS]

01:33:40   floor parking garage in this account for more steps than just walking up the [TS]

01:33:43   stairs yeah that's right up the stairs is very different than walking up five [TS]

01:33:46   flights yet same number of steps taken steps going up stay up as fighter steps [TS]

01:33:51   is definitely more and going down steps is less cause you just going down steps [TS]

01:33:57   is really just to control the ball and then I mean it's motivating you to you [TS]

01:34:03   know get outside Mari [TS]

01:34:05   something triggered a trick or treat today though I got a good when I got [TS]

01:34:09   fifteen thousand steps so you know once you sign gets tired you which will [TS]

01:34:15   happen something dogging you have something to do in your old age [TS]

01:34:19   dog for a walk every day makes you get outside like you're not a smoker a [TS]

01:34:23   reason to be outside in the winter some reason to be out there you to track your [TS]

01:34:30   steps you know I think I would I might be interested in trying it like I like [TS]

01:34:35   leon set to the gameplay type thing but it's just that it's never come up I do [TS]

01:34:39   like sure as hell don't want anything on my wrist watch right but I don't want to [TS]

01:34:44   put this attached there and then once the clip onto your clothes like I know [TS]

01:34:47   it's just like my laundry machines we did like it you know I'm not I'm not [TS]

01:34:51   responsible enough to have $100 little you know rubberized electronic turds [TS]

01:34:56   clipped my clothes to wash in the first week and I'll buy another one [TS]

01:34:59   essentially it's like it's like a tax like you know average of $75 a month for [TS]

01:35:03   the rest of my life to keep I knew Fitbit yeah exactly the same I I bought [TS]

01:35:07   one I bought the IndieGoGo project Kickstarter one of those things it was [TS]

01:35:12   called the misfit shine misfit as the company and its like you know if it and [TS]

01:35:21   it was a little at a little quarter sized desk and had a couple of ways you [TS]

01:35:25   can way you could wear it on your wrist I chose not to I magnin thing I put into [TS]

01:35:29   my pants and I had it for six days before I lost it on the seventh day I [TS]

01:35:33   was aware that thing and I'm no child somewhere you know idea yeah and I [TS]

01:35:38   didn't remember I couldn't remember the last time I checked it from the day [TS]

01:35:42   before I remember I definitely had it the day before and at some point I [TS]

01:35:45   didn't have it and so the phone is the perfect thing that because the phone is [TS]

01:35:49   like you're not gonna lose track of how much money and use it all the time and [TS]

01:35:53   it's got the tractor and it doesn't kill your battery so you're good to go [TS]

01:35:55   like I put that I put the underscore Deviousness but are pluses than my [TS]

01:35:59   wife's iPhone it doesn't work for her unfortunately because her phone is not [TS]

01:36:03   allowed in all sorts of places in her work so it's like she doesn't get better [TS]

01:36:08   he doesn't get the benefit of the steps that are taking place when she doesn't [TS]

01:36:11   have her phone with a long time that has to be left elsewhere so she's hurt our [TS]

01:36:15   numbers are low but she has excuses like it's a secure zone 12 stories out there [TS]

01:36:21   any way to get there is a flight of stairs to see the person the office of [TS]

01:36:28   the longest hallway in the whole facility no credit Maxwell Smart Gilas [TS]

01:36:33   doors right white house in fabrics what's your favorite thing what's your [TS]

01:36:39   favorite thing that they did this year and maverick's I send us an ATP that we [TS]

01:36:45   recorded earlier in the weekend people gonna think I'm crazy or or a total noob [TS]

01:36:49   as the kids say like you know the whole thing about 1-10 was slow after ever [TS]

01:36:54   release of august 10 people on the forums will install and loved it so much [TS]

01:36:58   snappier right and it's because every time you install a new version of the OS [TS]

01:37:02   like all your applications everything is fresh like the caches are rebuilt for [TS]

01:37:06   you like you know it's all of course it feels faster like you just like like [TS]

01:37:10   System Preferences it was like one bounce it opened Raptors nothing else [TS]

01:37:13   happening in machine to just rebooted in just reinstalled the OS of course it [TS]

01:37:16   bill snappy right so that matter fact has always been right but I really feel [TS]

01:37:21   like having installed Mavericks and so many machines that actually does he feel [TS]

01:37:26   snap you're not taking into account that yes of course is gonna be a snapper is [TS]

01:37:30   quickly I've been using it for days and days [TS]

01:37:32   days like this you know the release version on Mario machines do Rio where [TS]

01:37:35   an actual work and it feels snappier and could all be in my head I totally [TS]

01:37:41   willing to believe that all my head but if it's not all my head what is coming [TS]

01:37:45   from is my computer is doing less useless crap and and that means it has [TS]

01:37:50   it's more available to do the stuff that I wanted to do and so you know it could [TS]

01:37:54   just be the difference in animation somewhere could could be ended by giving [TS]

01:37:57   a terminal for instance like when I use terminal and you know ellis or something [TS]

01:38:03   local directory do something that's beside Texas seems like a text appears [TS]

01:38:06   in the terminal window faster and like that can't be possible how could it [TS]

01:38:09   already appears so lightening fast like you most like I was waiting for their [TS]

01:38:12   characters it was already so fast [TS]

01:38:13   why does it feel faster to me so there's some either you know psychological not [TS]

01:38:20   really there but I think it's there are actual kind of like trickery in a [TS]

01:38:23   procedure just down from ABC right now if you would just feels it just feels [TS]

01:38:30   more efficient to me I think it's subtle but I think it I think it does feel a [TS]

01:38:35   little snap you're too and I'm running it mostly on a very old PowerBook 2008 [TS]

01:38:39   MacBook MacBook Pro and the 2010 MacBook Air that I mentioned in my my iPad [TS]

01:38:48   review not new stuff you know so there's definitely a national icon both machines [TS]

01:38:53   it feels a little simpler and I think there's gotta be room for that [TS]

01:38:57   Snap Fitness improvement because specifically just comparing the way Mac [TS]

01:39:01   OS 10 feels to an iPad even older iPads and you know it was just the whole [TS]

01:39:09   initial appeal of iOS is my god this this feels so much more responsive to my [TS]

01:39:14   input than my computer even though it's only you know a 10 Thursday 20th as [TS]

01:39:21   powerful as you know CPU eyes favorite like real feature that is not on my head [TS]

01:39:27   is the new version are you using my main browser but I also run chrome all data [TS]

01:39:34   is used to browse have certain things i doing certain things i doing so far as [TS]

01:39:37   far as my default and one of the things I always liked about so far as I felt [TS]

01:39:42   like [TS]

01:39:43   when I had command then to make a new window which I can only do they don't [TS]

01:39:46   always use tabs too crowded to make a new window just like it was fast like [TS]

01:39:50   like a native UI everything about his native was fast right and chrome what I [TS]

01:39:56   liked about it was I felt like one so far we start to get hung up a special [TS]

01:39:59   Safari six-man you know the WebKit to thing where I would get hung up on you [TS]

01:40:02   get a dialog box yet to reload all you want us to piss me off to no end when [TS]

01:40:06   that happened to win something was slower I just like the progress bar in [TS]

01:40:10   Safari just like hang in there I always knew I could switch to Chrome make a new [TS]

01:40:14   window and because it was a separate process no matter what the hell's going [TS]

01:40:17   on all my other chrome tabs on other criminals no matter what the health [TS]

01:40:20   authorities doing being hung I can get a new chrome window and it will load the [TS]

01:40:24   damn thing that I want to load cos independent and so going to process [TS]

01:40:27   pratap in Safari is like you know i maybe this is just me people writing to [TS]

01:40:32   say I still get that dialog box it says you know things are not responding it's [TS]

01:40:36   not all the tabs and Safari now just a few of them which I suppose could happen [TS]

01:40:39   but I get I used to get that pages and I responded by now you know you know visit [TS]

01:40:44   page reload all the tabs think get used to get on the old version of Safari [TS]

01:40:47   constantly was driving me nuts was driving to the point where I was [TS]

01:40:50   thinking of switching my default browser and during the whole course of writing [TS]

01:40:53   the review on a mountain lion system I kept getting it again and again it was [TS]

01:40:57   like taunting me like saying goodbye to me and I never once not once still [TS]

01:41:00   haven't not one's gotten it on mattresses party 7 I don't you know I [TS]

01:41:03   may happen you know and maybe when it happens it still happens the effect is [TS]

01:41:08   less but I just haven't seen it all and that that that is a big change in my [TS]

01:41:12   daily life because if you use Safari browser and you get that thing like more [TS]

01:41:16   than you know once every couple of weeks it really changes when they just goes [TS]

01:41:20   away you don't see that anymore [TS]

01:41:22   guy you the story just told is exactly everything about it I'd safari is my [TS]

01:41:28   default browser I run I've run into that dialog box all the time [TS]

01:41:36   over the you know the time that far is used that to to process architecture you [TS]

01:41:43   know where there is one [TS]

01:41:44   to render the UI and one monolithic process to handle all of the rendering [TS]

01:41:49   that whole time was it just just one OS release or was it to its releases was it [TS]

01:41:54   just mountain lion I'm so bad I remember when I am I think it might have been [TS]

01:41:59   lyin and Mallory WebKit the whole time I ran into that so many times and when it [TS]

01:42:04   would get bad that that that and that reason alone made me think that maybe I [TS]

01:42:09   should switch to Chrome as my main browser the only reason and there's not [TS]

01:42:14   one other thing about crime that I prefer to Safari except for the fact [TS]

01:42:18   that Chrome OS four years is headed [TS]

01:42:21   you know each tab gets its own rendering process I do like other things about [TS]

01:42:25   crime like I you know I when I use Google's applications nice marriage [TS]

01:42:30   between all their crazy you know stuff they do to make things fast and [TS]

01:42:33   everything but just like it's just chromis and again people have different [TS]

01:42:36   experiences people you know me and say you keep saying chrome is solid crisis [TS]

01:42:40   me all the time [TS]

01:42:40   chrome is so solid for me like I i'm in the beta channel 4 chrome attorney went [TS]

01:42:44   to the regular releases I'm on the bandits every time a new beta comes out [TS]

01:42:47   I just get it automatically and even that just I always know if I go to [TS]

01:42:51   chrome and make a new window or new tab I can load a page you will never know [TS]

01:42:56   what's happening like their their architecture is so good and maybe [TS]

01:43:00   safaris not up to that level yet but chrome was always been just rock solid [TS]

01:43:03   and yet they are you Alex weird and I don't like how it's not native and all [TS]

01:43:06   those stuff but there are things I do like about chrome I wouldn't say that [TS]

01:43:09   there's nothing else I don't like about but there's nothing there that tempted [TS]

01:43:12   me to switch because I'm not a big user of Google Apps I don't like the stuff [TS]

01:43:16   that I don't like I don't like the non-standard you I so that I'm not [TS]

01:43:20   saying that I can see why other people use Chrome for other reasons but for me [TS]

01:43:24   the main thing that was always drawing it was the processor architecture and [TS]

01:43:32   more recently work-related like I've found myself using the dev tools built [TS]

01:43:37   into chrome I mean you know you think all the boat basin where she was like [TS]

01:43:40   the WebKit debugger but they've diverged significantly over the years in terms of [TS]

01:43:44   those things look like they're pretty much feature compromised web inspector [TS]

01:43:47   does it has featured lacks features is just the way things are arranged again [TS]

01:43:52   with chrome being so reliable [TS]

01:43:54   and you know when you're debugging you went back to doing all sorts of crazy [TS]

01:43:56   crap and seven break points in putting in bed JavaScript are you trying to fix [TS]

01:44:00   and also to things that can very quickly get Safari confused in hose and hose the [TS]

01:44:05   whole a piano back in the bad old days was host [TS]

01:44:08   just i i run chrome never have the relaunching its only work when I'm doing [TS]

01:44:12   work related stuff and debugging JavaScript that it could be a WebKit [TS]

01:44:15   related issues or just testing it without that I'm writing in JavaScript I [TS]

01:44:19   do all my debugging chrome these days even though it's not as nice and pretty [TS]

01:44:23   as the debugger and and so far in Safari about tomorrow has gotten a lot better I [TS]

01:44:27   just find myself you know even now with Safari 7 I still use Chrome as my [TS]

01:44:31   debugger a used to be their use Firebug in Firefox back when nobody had good to [TS]

01:44:35   buying supper Firefox but so Google feature that most people don't care [TS]

01:44:39   about if your web developer I think Chrome's web development tools have [TS]

01:44:43   really come a long way and I mean on them every day I think with Safari [TS]

01:44:48   breaking the law breaking it [TS]

01:44:51   WebKit into the separate process architecture and it seems like there's a [TS]

01:44:54   big political back story to that you mentioned it we're we're invited Google [TS]

01:44:59   to contribute there's to the WebKit project and Google declined and I also [TS]

01:45:07   received recalled reading something about how that it wasn't that great [TS]

01:45:11   anyway that maybe you know that that it was a lot of working what they've [TS]

01:45:16   learned up with with for WebKit to now with this processor architecture is a [TS]

01:45:21   lot better than I don't have the better than chrome but better for WebKit as a [TS]

01:45:27   project in Chrome's specific implementation would have been now I [TS]

01:45:32   mean it's a little bit sour grapes kinda like if you look at the putting chrome [TS]

01:45:38   if you look at the krome documents that I LinkedIn thing chrome has the [TS]

01:45:41   flexibility to do you know the chromium open source project is based on has the [TS]

01:45:45   flexibility to all sorts of different arrangements in terms of processes in [TS]

01:45:48   tabs and stuff like that [TS]

01:45:50   you know it's very flexible and a lot of that stuff is implemented its embedded [TS]

01:45:54   in the application layer versus being implemented in the engine layer whereas [TS]

01:45:57   when they did in WebKit like [TS]

01:45:59   Goulet said here you go like where you know will rip the stuff out of our [TS]

01:46:04   chromium stop animal integrated into WebKit and refactor chrome to no longer [TS]

01:46:08   do the stuff of the application level but to use this thing that we put into [TS]

01:46:12   WebKit like I think you know I would have liked that because I like a Google [TS]

01:46:16   authority worked out this process stuff and this is really solid but you know [TS]

01:46:19   Google might have thought that's not the proper place where we like the layer we [TS]

01:46:23   picked up whatever and you know so that you do something and what it did was put [TS]

01:46:29   in the engine will make it an engine that will feature because we think [TS]

01:46:33   that's the right place for it or whatever and I don't think there's [TS]

01:46:35   anything you know it's a difference in philosophy difference in design there's [TS]

01:46:37   nothing about Apple's approach that said it was necessary going to be better or [TS]

01:46:41   worse just had bugs like that not you know it's not working right when things [TS]

01:46:45   get weird like that why did a bug that have bugs because it's more difficult to [TS]

01:46:48   make fifteen different processes are you know to make one process communicate [TS]

01:46:51   with another than to have a one-to-one link tags came with you on way back and [TS]

01:46:56   versus having you know process pratap we're fine if one goes off the rails it [TS]

01:47:00   doesn't affect anything else I don't know all I know is that the result was [TS]

01:47:05   that chrome [TS]

01:47:06   kicking some parties but in terms of stability and something had to be done [TS]

01:47:09   and just in terms of what you know what is it like to use it you know just put [TS]

01:47:14   the anything you can quantify aside you know put the stopwatch down just use it [TS]

01:47:19   it just felt responsive and you'd like you said you can always hit commandeer [TS]

01:47:23   command and get a new tab at any time whereas it's far as sometimes you end up [TS]

01:47:27   with the spinner [TS]

01:47:28   classic Mac OS and you know ten like pre-emptive multitasking force [TS]

01:47:34   cooperative whereas on in the old classic Mac days you could anger and [TS]

01:47:38   application to a degree that it would prevent you from doing something else [TS]

01:47:40   where nos 10 never know how screwed some application is already a Twitter client [TS]

01:47:45   like I do this when I like a beach ball and application I just go over to [TS]

01:47:48   another application that other applications not beach bowl that [TS]

01:47:50   sampling events off the Q like you know that's we take that for granted but the [TS]

01:47:54   modern OS that you know the processes are independent the job of the OS to [TS]

01:47:57   keep them independent [TS]

01:47:58   web browsers even though it's one application you know logically speaking [TS]

01:48:03   you think of it as like while there may be one application but I have a [TS]

01:48:07   bazillion tabs open I want to see this tab I don't care of that with some [TS]

01:48:11   stupid flashing it's done right and so that architecture like the web browser [TS]

01:48:15   it's such an important application that it becomes a microcosm of the OS itself [TS]

01:48:19   it's like you know another level of hierarchy and within this application [TS]

01:48:23   those tabs better be independent of each other just like processes are [TS]

01:48:26   independent of each other in the LSC make the tabs process and that's it it's [TS]

01:48:30   natural and it makes sense like the other approach could have worked it [TS]

01:48:33   worked fine we wouldn't be having this conversation but it didn't so comes up [TS]

01:48:36   on changing and I i have been under the impression and I might be again I could [TS]

01:48:40   be wrong on this but I was under the impression that somebody told me this [TS]

01:48:45   are not getting my memory is really sore loser John but I seem to recall some [TS]

01:48:51   discussion but the gist of it was Apple's Safari team never really thought [TS]

01:48:57   that that monolithic rendering process that handles all of your tabs was the [TS]

01:49:04   the right decision it was what they it was just a matter of time that they [TS]

01:49:09   wanted to break rendering into a separate process for security reasons [TS]

01:49:13   only and it was really about security and the and having all the plugins you [TS]

01:49:18   know in a sandbox rendering process and that they could get that done in time [TS]

01:49:24   for Lion and mountain lions but that the work that we now see to get you know [TS]

01:49:30   each tablet on rendering process you know it was going to take this long [TS]

01:49:35   anyway so was it better or worse in the interim to have it split into that [TS]

01:49:40   monolithic 1 I'm almost think it was worse that they would have been better [TS]

01:49:43   security damn the security implications it would have been better to stick with [TS]

01:49:47   the old Safari architecture you know where it wasn't a separate process took [TS]

01:49:53   the lesson of Windows XP you know too hard and said like the web it's so [TS]

01:49:57   dangerous to have something that wasn't just like sandboxing plug is one thing [TS]

01:50:00   the second thing was like sandboxing JavaScript execution so there's someone [TS]

01:50:04   found that exploit where they could put JavaScript coding a web page that would [TS]

01:50:07   you know 'cause about our phone your JavaScript engine and cause arbitrary [TS]

01:50:10   code execution that now all of a sudden you have a web page dick like take out [TS]

01:50:14   people's max steel information and stuff like that and that's especially in the [TS]

01:50:19   days before I like that you know that the big push to like you know send [TS]

01:50:23   everybody updates constantly have you know that obvious being shoved in [TS]

01:50:27   people's faces he had a chance of upgrading everybody like it was still [TS]

01:50:30   you know coming off the days were like oh god if suddenly they were you know [TS]

01:50:34   and exploit out there that we didn't find out about until it started [TS]

01:50:38   affecting people's computers and internet web browser and everybody's [TS]

01:50:40   using into going over the web [TS]

01:50:42   we're screwed so I understand the priority of like we gotta get JavaScript [TS]

01:50:46   execution you know any place any executable code the road from Larry Page [TS]

01:50:49   runs it needs to be running somewhere has no privileges such a process where [TS]

01:50:53   can't do anything and yes same thing with plugins get them in a sandbox [TS]

01:50:56   because the dow I mean I guess the Congress was if we get something like [TS]

01:51:02   that happens [TS]

01:51:04   max get a reputation for being bad and unsafe in our browser is insecure and [TS]

01:51:08   stuff like that and just get it done and hopefully they were hoping it would work [TS]

01:51:14   out but stability wise it didn't but it's still still probably better than [TS]

01:51:18   the alternative [TS]

01:51:19   you know so far is being flaky and occasionally getting that dialogue like [TS]

01:51:23   you know once a week or so if you're lucky or unlucky does not make the [TS]

01:51:27   evening news so to speak [TS]

01:51:29   metaphorically speaking of the scary thing it web page takes over your [TS]

01:51:35   computer makes the news that's what its Windows XP all over again like it was a [TS]

01:51:39   PR disaster for the worst thing that could happen to you want to get their [TS]

01:51:43   reputations hard to shake it so they probably made the right call but you [TS]

01:51:46   know like so many things in like so many things in people's lives like Howard of [TS]

01:51:52   our lives have been better if mommy and daddy stayed together how our allies be [TS]

01:51:56   different if Google and Apple you know it's divided up the labors of inventing [TS]

01:52:02   the future was cool during the service I double during the client side and had [TS]

01:52:05   not split up the way they did and you know this is just another another [TS]

01:52:09   artifact that divorce that their interests were not aligned when it came [TS]

01:52:13   to you know Google made chrome because it totally line with his interest [TS]

01:52:17   built in webcam which allowed without interest but it eventually their [TS]

01:52:20   interest diverted enough to now they're doing blinking apples left with WebKit [TS]

01:52:24   and they couldn't agree on the process thing and like it's just it's all [TS]

01:52:27   fallout from that spot in the mail today I just got an advance copy of dog fight [TS]

01:52:35   which is Fred Vogel Stein's new book comes out this week he's the guy who [TS]

01:52:40   wrote that story that was in the new york was actually an excerpt from the [TS]

01:52:43   book that was in the new york times a few weeks ago where he talked to the [TS]

01:52:46   engineer he got like a former Apple engineer to go on the record and talk [TS]

01:52:50   about the launch of the original iPhone member that story was great it since the [TS]

01:52:54   paper I'm ready so it's that was an excerpt from this book and adjust to the [TS]

01:52:58   book is just specifically how do you know that Apple Apple and Google's fight [TS]

01:53:06   over you know iOS and Android you know starting I think you know I haven't read [TS]

01:53:13   the book yet but probably starting like 2005 2006 when they were still saw it [TS]

01:53:17   it's like you said adding it up with Google doin the services and Apple doing [TS]

01:53:21   the devices and how they got from there to here with other important I don't [TS]

01:53:26   read a lot of books like that but this one time and especially based on the [TS]

01:53:30   exam which I thought was really dynamite [TS]

01:53:32   nerds like us are so desperate for any real first-hand accounts from inside and [TS]

01:53:36   you know it's kind of like you just get it from like it seems like you're not [TS]

01:53:40   going to get it you're not going to get intense like a five or whatever but [TS]

01:53:44   you'll get like some random dude you never heard of you like so hungry for [TS]

01:53:47   any scrap of information about like he was there and you know under the worst [TS]

01:53:51   thing about that is you never know that guy could have an agenda and giving you [TS]

01:53:55   could be giving you a skewed view of things but you'll never know she's the [TS]

01:53:58   only person talking at all so we got to go on and we just we just want to know [TS]

01:54:00   how it happened it's our version of like people magazine yeah and it is this sort [TS]

01:54:05   of like a pretty prisoner's dilemma aspect to it where it makes sense if [TS]

01:54:09   everybody just keeps their mouth shut but if one guy speaks up he's gonna put [TS]

01:54:14   the story out there in his best light and so it kind of makes sense for [TS]

01:54:19   everybody to talk and makes that's what makes it so surprising that Apple is [TS]

01:54:23   maintained [TS]

01:54:24   not the secrecy of why you working on stuff it's not that hard but even the [TS]

01:54:28   fact that you know five six seven eight years later people don't talk about [TS]

01:54:32   Apple stuff is kind of impressive but we get like the book that would appeal to [TS]

01:54:37   me and maybe two other words like you and everything would be this week at [TS]

01:54:41   this like ambien Lee where people will come off to come out of apple and many [TS]

01:54:45   years will pass and they'll tell you like more or less benign stories about [TS]

01:54:49   you know like I like the writer's block website he was work tonight DVD back in [TS]

01:54:55   the day was that guys name I forget but whatever you like it but it's so far [TS]

01:55:02   removed now he's just gonna tell some like you know it's not gossip reasonably [TS]

01:55:06   pleasant stories about like what it was like trying to deal with the iDVD intro [TS]

01:55:10   and even like an add-on melton telling stories about you know they're not [TS]

01:55:13   another type of thing that makes for a sensational excerpts from books but the [TS]

01:55:17   accumulation of all the stories that you either people publisher you here at WWDC [TS]

01:55:21   like they're not sensational in themselves but you start to form a [TS]

01:55:24   picture from just from the from the fringes from each little persons [TS]

01:55:28   anecdotes like this store in our story starring you start to get sort of like [TS]

01:55:32   we have an outside perspective we know nothing and now like now the shape is [TS]

01:55:36   dimly visible underneath the black cloth like just from the accumulation of these [TS]

01:55:39   nice stories from like friendly people die every senior people and it's so many [TS]

01:55:43   years removed like at this point I remember what I DVD was to remember like [TS]

01:55:47   the loading IMAX no one cares about things they feel safe in talking about [TS]

01:55:51   that it's not you know someone just like if we can get the big names ever talk to [TS]

01:55:58   someone just collected up all the little names twenty years roadway you could [TS]

01:56:01   make a nice sort of anthology isn't the IDV story I DVDs for another one of [TS]

01:56:06   those like thirty second meetings with Steve Jobs like the story that they had [TS]

01:56:11   like this they had all these complex mock-ups of different ways did the [TS]

01:56:15   design and they were going to present these all these mock ups to Steve Jobs [TS]

01:56:18   and they came in went to the white board through a rectangle said here's our [TS]

01:56:22   interface you drag video here and then there's a button at the bottom it says [TS]

01:56:26   Rep [TS]

01:56:27   and indeed like walked it is left [TS]

01:56:30   something along those lines and the other part of the stories like what it [TS]

01:56:33   was like to be behind the scenes are responsible for making one of steve's [TS]

01:56:37   like old style macworld demos you know like 30 S 10 free iPhone pre everything [TS]

01:56:43   to make one of those demos go off without a hitch and everything that goes [TS]

01:56:46   on behind the scenes was there was a recent story about that [TS]

01:56:52   what was there was some PC software and their like paranoid that it wasn't gonna [TS]

01:56:57   work in their dreams from your pockets are drinking in the audience now that's [TS]

01:57:01   that's the friend focusing story from the engine at the original iPhone them [TS]

01:57:06   you must have talked about it now and the end they they had a flask Scott said [TS]

01:57:10   they were passing in the odds of getting through that the demo perfectly and you [TS]

01:57:14   know that's that's how you can hear from the guy who's like you know his name is [TS]

01:57:18   not on the marquee he's not he's not on that the PR BIOS page but he's the poor [TS]

01:57:23   guy who's in charge of the particular application this morning and it damn [TS]

01:57:27   well better work and each time one of the guys like you know the second or [TS]

01:57:30   third row Apple guys you know the engineers had been invited each time [TS]

01:57:34   your thing that thing you had work done if you worked on you know mail and when [TS]

01:57:40   it got through the iPhone male demo and it didn't crash then you'd just quick [TS]

01:57:45   take the flask and be like thank God Almighty you know I may have passed my [TS]

01:57:49   part my mind wasn't the thing that blew up on stage blood like to give her my [TS]

01:57:54   you get down to the little like the stage at the memories they like how [TS]

01:57:59   things look great side of the stage like an elevator and those things I've got [TS]

01:58:03   stuck there would be hell to pay so you know some guys up and down twenty times [TS]

01:58:07   make sure that doesn't fall when it goes up and down the river somebody told me [TS]

01:58:15   once that and I'm sure they still do it caused by this topic that after the [TS]

01:58:22   final rehearsal which I then again I don't know if this is true who knows but [TS]

01:58:28   I've always heard that they do want the morning of the events that there's like [TS]

01:58:31   a saint you know they rehearse the day before all day too late at night and [TS]

01:58:35   then the morning they do a rehearsal I don't know better true enough but after [TS]

01:58:40   the last rehearsal a white glove team comes out and wipes everything down the [TS]

01:58:45   desks that the demo max are on the demo max you know [TS]

01:58:50   everything everything gets wiped down with white gloves to factory fresh [TS]

01:58:55   perfect that status [TS]

01:58:58   the reason why just because even just hearing that story makes me nervous that [TS]

01:59:05   the guys wiping stuff down there in like bumper cable is right and screw up like [TS]

01:59:09   we're another run through everything went perfectly with the hot hand while [TS]

01:59:11   the cleaning crew one guy pulled out a little pulled out one tenth of the dock [TS]

01:59:14   connector slightly and now they're doing all screwed up I mentioned these guys [TS]

01:59:18   are like CSI crime lab intricate you know delicate you know that they're [TS]

01:59:23   they're gonna get every fingerprint off the glass but they are like using at [TS]

01:59:27   least minimum pressure necessary to do it I gotta do a third sponsor in a few [TS]

01:59:33   other questions before [TS]

01:59:35   average for you want to talk about it glue longtime sponsors of the show great [TS]

01:59:40   great service if you don't remember what they are they give you an internet that [TS]

01:59:47   you'll actually like you can share content quickly with the built-in apps [TS]

01:59:52   for the internet they have blogs calendars file-sharing forums [TS]

01:59:56   twitter-like microblogs wikis I think about what if you like to have your own [TS]

02:00:02   little private Twitter for your internet for your company your team that you know [TS]

02:00:07   is private because it's on your own internet you don't do anything silly [TS]

02:00:11   like actually used Twitter but make up fake names or try to have your own even [TS]

02:00:15   if it's a confidential just to sort of communicate privately you have your own [TS]

02:00:21   little thing be perfect [TS]

02:00:23   the whole thing as social you can comment on any type of content you can [TS]

02:00:29   add mention your co-workers just like hunt where all of it [TS]

02:00:33   private to your own team you can follow content updates they've tags to group [TS]

02:00:41   things around the way you work so you can use the same tagged blog entry as on [TS]

02:00:47   an event on the calendar and you can group them together by that text it's [TS]

02:00:53   easy the whole thing as drag and drop to configure to style they have responsive [TS]

02:00:57   designs that look great on every device from your phone to 27 inch display they [TS]

02:01:04   have financed from type kit that's probably one of the best type libraries [TS]

02:01:08   there is no more here's the thing that's amazing it is free to use it was free [TS]

02:01:13   for up to 10 people and when he grows it only costs $12 a person for each month [TS]

02:01:21   go to include software dot com slash the talk-show [TS]

02:01:27   software dot com the talk show and you can find out so they mention tags in the [TS]

02:01:36   group thing so tags are in the future and and Mavericks and I had no idea this [TS]

02:01:42   is something I just did I just wasn't paying attention until I read your [TS]

02:01:46   review that they really are sort of piggybacked on the old labels labels [TS]

02:01:54   feature that goes all the way back to system 7 [TS]

02:01:58   like there has been this feature you could apply color with an associated [TS]

02:02:03   where to file forever for marriages in India Mexico but you talk to someone [TS]

02:02:08   who's heard someone say I read somewhere like I think they added those in Jaguar [TS]

02:02:15   alright I like there is a feature that does that and so it is very on Apple [TS]

02:02:20   like despite what people think about them like breaking with the past doing a [TS]

02:02:24   clean breaks in terms of solving a better believe there's already a feature [TS]

02:02:26   that does that and they already carried across boundaries bring it from classic [TS]

02:02:30   indo-us tent-like brought it forward you can make a new feature that gives you a [TS]

02:02:34   new way to apply multiple colors in words to files not making a backward [TS]

02:02:38   compatible in some way would just be weird and just not people some people [TS]

02:02:42   used to use labels offline but other people use them like they put everything [TS]

02:02:46   like the red ones the ones I gotta work on next week and I know when I change [TS]

02:02:49   it'll be blue like they use them as an alternate way instead of range of things [TS]

02:02:53   in folders and if you made this new system that was completely independent [TS]

02:02:57   of that it would not go over well it would be like 10 what do I use these [TS]

02:03:01   labels whose tax to go back to all my files that are labeled in like tag them [TS]

02:03:04   with the same color as the labels so it just makes sense from a user [TS]

02:03:08   friendliness and from sort of an apple philosophy backward compatibility [TS]

02:03:11   especially for beaches last this long [TS]

02:03:13   alright will build on it will be a superset we can't you know we can [TS]

02:03:17   totally make it absolutely have one label but whatever the most recent tag [TS]

02:03:21   you put will be the label and explain their review the implementation details [TS]

02:03:26   that are going to explain why did why it works as well why they're only seven [TS]

02:03:30   labels why are the names you know and names independent of the colors why [TS]

02:03:35   could I get into his weird scenarios when I copied from one to the other [TS]

02:03:38   what happens of a changing table able to follow her label but why did not get to [TS]

02:03:42   pick your own colors you get to do you get to pick any of these seven colors [TS]

02:03:46   but you can't make your own mom now they could they could do that like it used to [TS]

02:03:51   be able to ya like it's just you see what is the number 1 260 means no label [TS]

02:03:56   136 is here if things do you get to pick from and once you understand the [TS]

02:04:01   implementation than you like oh I see how the behavior falls out of the [TS]

02:04:05   implementation and why do they use intimidation well because it allows it [TS]

02:04:09   to be backward compatible with the existing label and white using labels [TS]

02:04:12   use this crazy ass invitation 'cause there from like 1988 that's why [TS]

02:04:16   it all it all connects back in the doll gives an explanation of the future it [TS]

02:04:22   would be difficult to understand what the hell's going on without knowing his [TS]

02:04:25   attorneys otherwise it might seem like a poorly implemented feature or [TS]

02:04:29   nonsensical air why does it work this way or seem silly but their their [TS]

02:04:32   reasons for and it it against the other way that it looks if you don't know the [TS]

02:04:37   story behind it [TS]

02:04:38   what makes it seem weird are the default tags which are you know color names red [TS]

02:04:43   blue yellow a good just seems like an odd batch of defaults [TS]

02:04:47   remember the old defaults are essential Yeah Yeah right through through an [TS]

02:04:54   essential in there whenever they were so weird like I would love to be in the [TS]

02:04:57   media like we're gonna have the full names for the labels and should we call [TS]

02:05:01   I just remember hoten essential and know exactly what's the difference we should [TS]

02:05:05   look that up right now you should I do forget that I get the other thing too [TS]

02:05:12   with this new implementation in tags to me are way more interesting I haven't [TS]

02:05:16   used labels in years I anticipate using tags quite a bit but I don't think I [TS]

02:05:23   think they've got this on top of labels and if on the converse euro the type of [TS]

02:05:27   person who used labels and you want to keep using labels and you don't really [TS]

02:05:31   want to use tags per se just wanting to use the labels you are used it doesn't [TS]

02:05:35   really set you back any a little bit in terms of the only thing I can think of [TS]

02:05:40   is if you really want to just use it the way you always used it and you don't [TS]

02:05:44   like the new the new way you have to label before you real able to get rid of [TS]

02:05:53   you know to a good otherwise you'll be adding yeah otherwise you're just adding [TS]

02:05:57   so you have one extra click to take off the old label when you want to change it [TS]

02:06:03   from hot to essentially a little words that little tooltip everything's gonna [TS]

02:06:07   tell you what's going on like and label this will make it clear that what you [TS]

02:06:10   gonna do is what you thought so here at Airedale labels essential hot in [TS]

02:06:14   progress cool personal project one Project 2010 hot and cool a cent [TS]

02:06:20   essential hot and cool likelihood all mean the same thing is essential with [TS]

02:06:23   orange high was read in progress purple cool is like ice blue personal [TS]

02:06:28   navy blue project one green project you brown this is all based on my leg would [TS]

02:06:33   like hot like you know like the boss's boss's once this now this is a hot issue [TS]

02:06:39   you know or is it like hot like you know sexy and we'll see if you go to control [TS]

02:06:45   panels labels I am running system 7 up but you can change the names of them and [TS]

02:06:50   you can change the colors to call you can make him any color you want and like [TS]

02:06:53   what the hell do they care like you could drive yourself crazy because if [TS]

02:06:56   you decide to change the label number 12 be important and you make it read and [TS]

02:07:02   you copy that file to your friends some Saturdays and their label number one is [TS]

02:07:07   purple as like called trash then suddenly your file comes over and i cant [TS]

02:07:13   find the file with the red label but it's not read on my machine like the [TS]

02:07:17   obvious problems always existed in terms of who has the central index of what [TS]

02:07:20   color and what label and what word and other stuff they have us three bits [TS]

02:07:25   inside and field service plus and then a mapping of those local nothing about the [TS]

02:07:30   words and now they can have the same thing but they also have this binary [TS]

02:07:34   property list XML thing if it contains the list of labels and what they put on [TS]

02:07:37   the list a word in a number [TS]

02:07:39   separated by a new line for some crazy reason yeah I saw that it was weird that [TS]

02:07:44   is really weird I cannot I i SAT there and that was one of those things cuz you [TS]

02:07:49   know the exact sort of like programming task that I can fully comprehend I [TS]

02:07:56   understand XML file I can do said like I can't think of a reason why they would [TS]

02:08:01   do this and I said that I was there is a puzzle let's think about this there's [TS]

02:08:04   gotta be a good reason and I said there for like 10 minutes and I cannot think [TS]

02:08:09   of why it's not a separate string and integer [TS]

02:08:14   it could be like cutting the ends off the road just like it you know it's [TS]

02:08:17   something that not even like that it's more like [TS]

02:08:20   when you're writing a project and like quickly and I'll change it later and you [TS]

02:08:25   don't understand the shipping that way just yeah I mean it's not that you're [TS]

02:08:31   gonna wanna have new lines and your label name that's not but it's just it's [TS]

02:08:35   right there in front of you like you you store the number and the name like it's [TS]

02:08:39   the sitting in a property list right [TS]

02:08:42   ago in the new line and it sticks out when you're looking at an XML file and [TS]

02:08:48   you're just used to everything you know being too high and all the posts and you [TS]

02:08:54   see something new line separated like it looks looks ugly in the dump so here's [TS]

02:08:58   the spotlight in like maybe you know the text parser that parses out there you [TS]

02:09:04   know because they want a spotlight index all these labels don't have separate you [TS]

02:09:07   know extended attributes 2011 extended attribute I guess they can pull you know [TS]

02:09:11   it's like underscore KMD label that tag name you know they have those k [TS]

02:09:16   constants that applied [TS]

02:09:18   spotlight you know what those new to the advanced searches right there every [TS]

02:09:21   every one of us has a constant looks like a constant from the classic Mac [TS]

02:09:24   days with a legal case case that and if you were gonna write a query was like [TS]

02:09:28   where you could say we're essentially filename is contains this and date [TS]

02:09:34   modified is this is one of those things filename date modified label has a [TS]

02:09:37   single symbolic name that corresponds to where the thing is so all the tags are [TS]

02:09:42   in a single one of those is why they're all in one big property was instead of [TS]

02:09:44   having supper extended attributes you can do where one of the label's is hot [TS]

02:09:50   and one of the labels like AMD label what everything it will pull that whole [TS]

02:09:55   property list and maybe it's plain that property list out and parsing it is [TS]

02:09:59   pulling out the you know the the text part and parcel is like three texts of [TS]

02:10:03   it was like number name new line and they could use spaces because their [TS]

02:10:08   names like I'm just making stuff up here but like there are semi reasonable [TS]

02:10:14   reasons why they want to leverage the existing architecture for simply [TS]

02:10:18   indexing text content of files and it makes it easier for having this way but [TS]

02:10:22   it sure as hell looks weird and it's one of those decisions it's like well once [TS]

02:10:25   you've done that you are creating tons and tons of files with extended accurate [TS]

02:10:29   still with this exact property list [TS]

02:10:31   and so you're forever doomed to have to support that weird formatting backward [TS]

02:10:34   compatibility you know my thoughts my only thought was that it was just some [TS]

02:10:38   lazy programmer who one day you said maybe if you get back to it and fix it [TS]

02:10:43   but that you know is just easier to just got the two values it was easier to get [TS]

02:10:48   the two strings together and separated with a new line because thinking your [TS]

02:10:52   head will there ever be a new line in the actual name know it probably almost [TS]

02:10:56   certainly guards against it even if you pasted in tax and had a new line as the [TS]

02:11:02   tag name it almost certainly I'll bet strips that so you're never gonna get an [TS]

02:11:07   actual new line there so you can do it and it was easier you know the names or [TS]

02:11:13   in their region originally was just the numbers right and then we need to put [TS]

02:11:16   the names that are not gonna have you know that the problem I just described [TS]

02:11:19   where one person names that one thing we gotta put the names in there too [TS]

02:11:22   alright well just throw them at the new line in the thing I can talk about [TS]

02:11:26   things you're not going to see a book written about it should die here's the [TS]

02:11:32   here's the thing you didn't mention that jumped out at me about tags right in the [TS]

02:11:36   keynote at WWDC is why are they adding tags to files now and to me I think it's [TS]

02:11:45   clearly driven by iCloud and the sandbox because now only now with tags can you [TS]

02:11:56   easily group related documents together even if they're all from iCloud sandbox [TS]

02:12:05   apps so you could take a txt Edit Profile and other sandbox apps preview [TS]

02:12:13   and you know and give them the same tag and now in the Finder they show up in [TS]

02:12:19   the same tag sidebar location even to go further than that I would say all that [TS]

02:12:25   you can have documents in the cloud but you only get one level of folders now [TS]

02:12:29   finally you can have multiple of multiple levels of hierarchy you don't [TS]

02:12:32   get to call them soldiers you get the labels but now you can you can slice and [TS]

02:12:36   dice things in a big way if you are trying to keep all your documents like [TS]

02:12:39   the documents in the cloud computing applications that do that just having [TS]

02:12:42   one level folders [TS]

02:12:43   eventually starts to get crazy so now tags give you one more organizational [TS]

02:12:46   tool yes of course also across applications but I think about the cross [TS]

02:12:49   application things is that the only tool that can they can cross cut that thing [TS]

02:12:54   is the Finder [TS]

02:12:56   within the individual like Iowa cermak sandbox the iCloud documents [TS]

02:13:00   applications you can ask them to show you and only the finder and like you [TS]

02:13:04   know the defined itself and an open save dialog box it's not looking at iCloud [TS]

02:13:09   document is looking at your desk [TS]

02:13:11   those are the only things where you can say show me all the things you know the [TS]

02:13:15   Jones project and it will find across all the applications and even on the Mac [TS]

02:13:18   I think I might try to hide them cause they're in a closed container things but [TS]

02:13:20   if your submission a resourceful and maybe this does that leave you know [TS]

02:13:24   whether that means really are and where they're in the thing yeah so what you [TS]

02:13:28   can do you go to a you go in the sidebar to the tax and you click a tag that has [TS]

02:13:33   files to it and then you can go it'll show you those files and then you can [TS]

02:13:37   control click on it and say show an enclosing folder and it's a crazy iCloud [TS]

02:13:43   document container somewhere near library folder and yeah exactly like so [TS]

02:13:46   for example text edit documents search users grouper library / mobile documents [TS]

02:13:54   / com till the Apple Tilda txt Edit / documents and a widely used till this [TS]

02:14:05   day . all the absolute that in the library / mobile documents folder that's [TS]

02:14:12   where your iCloud sandboxes are but you can get their very easily through the [TS]

02:14:16   Finder just by going to the tag collection in the sidebar and then [TS]

02:14:23   control clicking and say show in closing for or are you just show the like this [TS]

02:14:28   thing that you see the the bottom bar and a Finder window that shows you the [TS]

02:14:31   path of the little folders there is between them [TS]

02:14:33   yeah that too is a way to get a display that showed up at your path or whatever [TS]

02:14:40   but yeah it's it's they haven't solved that problem of the silo documents and [TS]

02:14:46   tags tags give you one more cool but it makes it all the more apparent like [TS]

02:14:51   figure in these little islands [TS]

02:14:53   the application only the Finder can see them all and has no equivalent of the [TS]

02:14:56   Finder on iOS four you could see ya all the various pieces across all they start [TS]

02:15:00   to figure out what they can do that but it taxes like it was sitting there like [TS]

02:15:03   this for so many years building up to this and they implanted extended [TS]

02:15:06   actually to use them so extensively and all the other features like once you've [TS]

02:15:10   got extended attributes like that's the first thing everybody else the third [TS]

02:15:13   party apps that are out there and I've had tons of them over the years they [TS]

02:15:16   would like we don't need to implement this is part of the OS you can attach [TS]

02:15:20   arbitrary dated any file all we need is an application that can create the date [TS]

02:15:24   interpret its a tons of sort of find you like organization applications but say [TS]

02:15:27   there you go [TS]

02:15:28   user application and you can apply text your files and organize your stuff [TS]

02:15:32   according to them and you know tags have advantages over shoulders because if I [TS]

02:15:36   can only be in one folder according to our rules that way we do things but you [TS]

02:15:39   can apply multiple tags its kind of the difference between gmail and you know [TS]

02:15:44   Apple Mail on whether don't get along in terms of you know you know so it was [TS]

02:15:48   right there for them to do is kinda like taps in the Finder is right there like [TS]

02:15:51   taps in the tabs on the browsers to make tabs while there are tabs in the Finder [TS]

02:15:55   browser is a test release you know and we can we could do old three hour show [TS]

02:15:59   just on the Finder but especially with the the fact that the OS 10 finder is [TS]

02:16:06   naturally a browser not you know it work that's how would you clearly is meant to [TS]

02:16:14   work not special thing kind of half heartedly a brother but it's like if [TS]

02:16:19   you're gonna do a browser we know the house and they just like it's like you [TS]

02:16:23   didn't get around to it so they got around to taps they got around to tags [TS]

02:16:27   tags are in a standard Coco thin though are they like there's no way even though [TS]

02:16:35   it seems like it's using the same tabs as Safari and terminal like but to [TS]

02:16:41   actually turn elisa's totally different types still even on if you didn't you [TS]

02:16:46   know just look and feel of the taps well ya never standardized remember tappa [TS]

02:16:52   tappa tappa [TS]

02:16:55   Safari 4 briefly right you know this [TS]

02:16:59   tabs across all applications Apple's kind of decided that they're like [TS]

02:17:03   vaguely [TS]

02:17:04   metallica is to be russia now but like they're they're dark gray and they come [TS]

02:17:09   down and have little rounded corners in this little plus sign to make new ones [TS]

02:17:12   but it's probably not a standard control because it's definitely not under [TS]

02:17:18   control now under Apple shares the code like between their well here's one thing [TS]

02:17:23   I noticed as you pointed out that the new Safari in Mavericks has a feature [TS]

02:17:31   that that it seems to have learned from chrome whereas your closing tabs it [TS]

02:17:36   won't change the width of the remaining tabs into your done closing them which [TS]

02:17:41   enables you to sit there and just click click click without moving the mouse but [TS]

02:17:47   finder tabs don't do that the Finder tabs act like they copied the old [TS]

02:17:51   implementation from Safari where each time you close a tab the remaining tabs [TS]

02:17:55   resize to fit the width so it's if they're sharing code they shared the [TS]

02:18:00   code from the old Safari and even in an even in Safari it only does that until [TS]

02:18:06   all the tabs to your right [TS]

02:18:07   are gone and then it's always safer me theresa right because you can't you [TS]

02:18:11   don't get the benefit of the click click click click click right where is it [TS]

02:18:14   chrome chrome because partially due to the fact that comes close box on the [TS]

02:18:18   right edge of the tab it will even when you have no heart and you're making any [TS]

02:18:23   right side table still not resize the tab so you can you can click a tag you [TS]

02:18:26   can click it again close a tab the order to begin with and then it will slide the [TS]

02:18:30   other tabs that are not here left and it will put the clothes box like crumbs [TS]

02:18:33   implementation is still better like they had more time to work this out so Apple [TS]

02:18:36   copied it and I'm not I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't have copy that [TS]

02:18:40   thing except for the fact that they're closed boxes on the wrong size and maybe [TS]

02:18:43   more or chrome will totally try to put a closed box on your cursor for as long as [TS]

02:18:47   it possibly reasonably can wear a safari after you've closed all attempts to [TS]

02:18:51   write it to give up trying to put a closed box and you just a minor thing in [TS]

02:18:55   the grand scheme of things because you know people use command W or whatever [TS]

02:18:58   but it's it's a new feature of chrome the day they were wise to copy even if [TS]

02:19:03   they copy that kind of you know I never noticed that before I just just played [TS]

02:19:07   with it so I see what you mean it there's two different resizing those of [TS]

02:19:10   the tabs in [TS]

02:19:11   there's one manuscript closed at finished closing all the rightmost tabs [TS]

02:19:17   then as an intermediate one we're told resize the leftmost ones just to put the [TS]

02:19:24   next one is closed box under your mouse and then when you're done completely [TS]

02:19:31   move the mouse way to resize to chill this year and by the way the same [TS]

02:19:36   features in Safari 619 online like a lot of 61 is kind of like the Safari 74 [TS]

02:19:41   Mountain Lion users like a lot of these things even like the power saver thing [TS]

02:19:45   it doesn't run Flash software plugins and everything came back it was just [TS]

02:19:50   nice like they don't usually they don't always do that you don't always like [TS]

02:19:53   always get the cool new features that basically gave everyone running mountain [TS]

02:19:57   lion no seventy-five percent of the 47 including these nicely you I think I [TS]

02:20:03   always complain one of the things I complained chrome is the fact that the [TS]

02:20:06   clothes boxes are in right side of the tabs because I feel like because of the [TS]

02:20:10   Mac I know this is a good Windows Mac thing but closes always been left and to [TS]

02:20:17   me a tab is close enough to being like its own little docked window that it [TS]

02:20:22   should you know tab should be like a window and the clothes should be in the [TS]

02:20:25   left and I've had people argue with me that with the clothes on the left and [TS]

02:20:30   you couldn't get this tap tap tap to close tabs but that doesn't you know [TS]

02:20:35   it's harder like this you can see Watchmen chrome stars resizing the month [TS]

02:20:38   easy for easier for it to put the next close box under your thing it doesn't [TS]

02:20:43   have a slight everything way over like it's a little bit easier to work out but [TS]

02:20:46   it's you know that's not a good reason to put it so much I don't think about me [TS]

02:20:53   about crime [TS]

02:20:54   favicon yeah I'd say hi I'm hoping I've been hoping for years it's one of my [TS]

02:21:00   little things that I hope to see a double-dip UTC but I keep waiting for a [TS]

02:21:05   kid to get standard system no tabs and I feel like the tabs that they should take [TS]

02:21:11   safaris I think so far as are the best they're better than the finders [TS]

02:21:15   their way better than the ones in terminal just a little weird yeah I just [TS]

02:21:23   like the trend is away from tabs even though we're all can't live without them [TS]

02:21:27   and their adding them back to things in them act like they had attempts this to [TS]

02:21:32   Safari on iOS right and they made the crazy new updated version attempts with [TS]

02:21:36   the progress bar is little blue line at the bottom of the tab you know like [TS]

02:21:40   there there there still seems like they're still in the experimental phase [TS]

02:21:44   but thats because I don't like their weird mix some key features that we like [TS]

02:21:50   to use are not used by regular people using the tabs are pretty universal like [TS]

02:21:56   no matter how novice you are once you see how tabs work people and maybe it's [TS]

02:22:00   because there's a relation to paper tabs that used to exist way back in the day [TS]

02:22:03   like they get it they use them and it's not it's not like a power user feature [TS]

02:22:08   it's like super advanced people used to have everybody uses tabs so even though [TS]

02:22:13   they make things much more complicated and make us lose track of where the hell [TS]

02:22:16   things are in the worst case they make us not know where the hell that sounds [TS]

02:22:19   coming from cuz it's coming from one of the frequent adds that you can't find [TS]

02:22:22   they get used to my missus remembering this from last time I tinkered with it [TS]

02:22:26   but I think Chromebooks are just tapped on anything to have windows I think [TS]

02:22:32   everything is it I think it's you know the whole metaphor Chromebook Chromebook [TS]

02:22:36   OS chrome OS's tabs if not if not it's clearly how the day in 10 people to use [TS]

02:22:42   it if you can have multiple windows most of the tiredness opening taps i've seen [TS]

02:22:47   a Chromebook 13 life and I just realized I don't think I ever use the software I [TS]

02:22:50   think I just played with the harder it was a Chromebook pixel I know if this [TS]

02:22:55   shows already been long and I we can go forever on his bed quickly what do you [TS]

02:22:59   what do you think [TS]

02:23:00   do you think that the next version of Mac OS 10 is gonna get iOS 7 not enough [TS]

02:23:08   that it would look like Iowa seven but iOS 7 a score sized visual refresh I'm I [TS]

02:23:15   think it's probably do wrong if not in this release then the next one but it [TS]

02:23:20   needs more than a radical refresh of the look [TS]

02:23:24   is they've got like gotta finish the job they started with like you know D iOS 6 [TS]

02:23:30   and everything right now is they they just scraped up off the applications [TS]

02:23:34   they need to look go back to those applications if you really care about [TS]

02:23:37   the applications like give each give each of those built-in apps a thorough [TS]

02:23:42   redesign right and as part of that process may be home with some new ideas [TS]

02:23:47   for the haul ass but a lot of bad a lot about it again it's an older OS has gone [TS]

02:23:53   through more changes we're out of the sort of iOS 6 level awkward phase like [TS]

02:24:00   we did that with brushed metal and pinstripes and steal things and laws [TS]

02:24:04   injures and you know we we did that in the drawers and everything and we cannot [TS]

02:24:08   the other side and leopard with the unified single window appearance which [TS]

02:24:12   doesn't still doesn't look bad like it you know it looks good and everything [TS]

02:24:15   like we had that time were where was like having a you know an original idea [TS]

02:24:21   and take that idea to its logical conclusion like they did with iOS 6 and [TS]

02:24:25   say ok now it's time for a new idea that recent was around ten five so I don't [TS]

02:24:29   overdo for all you gotta change how the menu ROC gotta change how all those [TS]

02:24:33   standard window title bars look because the old one to look good anymore like [TS]

02:24:36   its fine right it can be tweaked in a subtle way but they do need to do is [TS]

02:24:41   rethink all the applications that have been through this terrible trauma of [TS]

02:24:45   being made to look like their iOS 6 counterparts and I'm not fully recovered [TS]

02:24:49   and finish the job of you know get dressed Game Center and all those things [TS]

02:24:53   still look like you know that you still before and and make those applications [TS]

02:24:56   better like they have so much attention to safari is a part of the review is [TS]

02:25:00   such an important application like the web browser right but they continue to [TS]

02:25:03   ship you know mail and reminders and notes in those applications are not best [TS]

02:25:09   of breed right they don't show up on a great line especially in like with the [TS]

02:25:13   whole thing with mail not working well as gmail because of the various changes [TS]

02:25:16   they'd like that they're trying to make it better but they screwed up and you [TS]

02:25:20   know I don't know anyone who's ever used email with I would never use Gmail like [TS]

02:25:24   I have no experience in any past versions current pastor just a bad idea [TS]

02:25:27   because they're not they don't get along I do I do [TS]

02:25:31   and it's it's only I don't think it's almost because I'm nerdy enough and mail [TS]

02:25:39   email nerdy enough that I had to I understand the way that they don't match [TS]

02:25:43   up [TS]

02:25:44   metaphorically and so because I understand it I purposely work around it [TS]

02:25:50   like so I don't I know just and I think this is one of the things that people [TS]

02:25:54   are running into with the Mavericks mail where it's like you if you've turned off [TS]

02:26:00   the All Mail folder to the IMAP interest in her face in Gmail as everybody who I [TS]

02:26:06   know use Gmail IMAP is done [TS]

02:26:08   get two of every email when you search form then when you hit the archive [TS]

02:26:14   button tends to disappear and reappear in your inbox and stuff so I just never [TS]

02:26:18   hit males R KY I don't archive I have but there's new bugs in Mavericks were [TS]

02:26:23   like even if you follow the best practices in either following the [TS]

02:26:26   guidelines of the old ones are able to the new ones you get into a situation [TS]

02:26:28   where you'll receive new mail and it will not appear even in your inbox on [TS]

02:26:33   the Mac but it will appear in the WebUI regardless of whether you have all-male [TS]

02:26:36   awful like the old way all-male on like the new well I guess this is just full [TS]

02:26:40   of bugs like it that stuff reflects badly on Apple makes the Mac look bad [TS]

02:26:44   and so needs to be addressed and in the process of addressing those you can have [TS]

02:26:47   some new ideas about you I and it could just be like a leading indicator where [TS]

02:26:52   they might possibly be thinking about going in terms of you I never really was [TS]

02:26:56   like we never got the iTunes 7 scrollbars the scrollbars we got in line [TS]

02:27:00   at whatever they turned into little thin graphite sort of lozenges those didn't [TS]

02:27:04   look like the iTunes one but I don't like let's think about some things that [TS]

02:27:08   we can do that right so I think the applications are placed experiment like [TS]

02:27:12   that in the US is due for I mean 10 5 was the big you know we will grant and [TS]

02:27:17   five and it reset and now we're going around 10:10 injuries said it's kind of [TS]

02:27:21   about that time and it could totally use with one but I think it's more and I'll [TS]

02:27:25   be perfectly fine if they just really gave the application some attention and [TS]

02:27:29   they just put a nice a nice subtle revision of all the you I am just [TS]

02:27:33   looking a little bit different that's enough like there's nothing there is [TS]

02:27:36   nothing new equivalent in the current version [TS]

02:27:40   standard is equivalent to all the security office that there was an Iowa [TS]

02:27:43   sexist not gaudy and embarrassing you know just look at a barber standard Mac [TS]

02:27:47   window you know maybe the little laws and to look a little bit dated or not [TS]

02:27:51   looking at you know who would and felt in London here I've been wondering if if [TS]

02:27:57   Lucida Grande Grande Grande like when you're starting monday is gonna go was [TS]

02:28:09   gonna be shown the door once you know the Mac is a mostly retin a platform [TS]

02:28:15   which I still don't think it's gonna be a while before it's Mac is mostly ready [TS]

02:28:20   devices because I just don't think it looks that good as as a real phone I [TS]

02:28:25   think it was nice choice as a screen fun and it went rendered well on nine Retina [TS]

02:28:30   screen is better than most fun to do but you know there's a reason I guess said [TS]

02:28:34   before on this show there's a reason why you don't see people using Lucida Grande [TS]

02:28:38   in real document and print design and stuff because it's not a great find it [TS]

02:28:43   well there's something to be said for using a fun that people wouldn't using [TS]

02:28:49   content right thing which the UI from the content right that is true and you [TS]

02:28:55   know i've talked about this with a lot of people that there is something to me [TS]

02:28:58   that's a little as a longtime Mac user I've always seen the system fun that way [TS]

02:29:04   going all the way back to the Chicago and then there was the next one charcoal [TS]

02:29:09   which you did you did you use charcoal urgent did you revert to Chicago number [TS]

02:29:14   used to have that option there was like SP sands and their yeah yeah yeah [TS]

02:29:19   talk about things out but would never do any more used to get a choice for your [TS]

02:29:23   brush Script yeah but the days you know I always wonder with when they change [TS]

02:29:30   the phone from Chicago I said I was going to go with it [TS]

02:29:32   to go even though I didn't like the lowercase R but I did that I went with [TS]

02:29:39   it but it was always a fun Chicago and charcoal were always do sort of almost [TS]

02:29:44   like a semi bold fun [TS]

02:29:46   was not bold enough to be bold but bolder than a regular fun but it made [TS]

02:29:50   you know it took up two pixels and a lot of places where instead of one and it [TS]

02:29:55   would look good on Lowe's low Reds low res screens but there is always a very [TS]

02:29:59   very visceral to meet difference between the UI fund and the content fonts yeah [TS]

02:30:06   it was it was made weird by the fact that like so the reason Chicago look the [TS]

02:30:11   way did is because they had to gray out menu items in the original Mac and you [TS]

02:30:14   can't great things out when you have a black-and-white screen so they had to [TS]

02:30:17   make every single letter big enough so you could knock out every other pics on [TS]

02:30:21   checkerboard pattern you still read the words right right and when that's fine [TS]

02:30:25   and they that also meant they had to Chicago as like for like a long [TS]

02:30:30   free-form text where they wouldn't use you know the ground right now like a [TS]

02:30:33   dialogue explain stuff if they would they would use that system fine as well [TS]

02:30:37   and you just do not want to read a paragraph chicago is like it was never [TS]

02:30:40   something you'd mind if I just looked awkward but they had to do it because [TS]

02:30:43   what if you had to go out that text or something you know I just uses and when [TS]

02:30:47   they went with the new funds like charcoal and stuff didn't need to do [TS]

02:30:50   that Pixar thing anymore like they had gray scale but they somehow felt like [TS]

02:30:54   well a system fun if something looks big and chunky and so those funds are also [TS]

02:30:58   big and chunky in like a listeners like moving its not as thin as Helvetica but [TS]

02:31:03   you know it's finally shedding that kind of I've got big fat forearms kind of [TS]

02:31:08   look of the funds right now it doesn't look like that looks like I'm consultant [TS]

02:31:12   in but I'm also kind of like bold and I look like a label ok I'm labeling [TS]

02:31:16   something I'm not a headline on that body text you know I'm a UI fun so I [TS]

02:31:20   don't mind and I don't know what they would replace it with my fear is that it [TS]

02:31:25   isn't that seems to win before me for a Mac like it seems right for a hand-held [TS]

02:31:31   especially with iOS 7 like it totally fits their with that aesthetic but I [TS]

02:31:35   felt them actually be here I'm glad that it's still there are you know I like you [TS]

02:31:39   so I'm glad that it still has a system [TS]

02:31:42   I thought it was interesting you pointed out your review that they actually are [TS]

02:31:45   and this is what I was getting at is that they actually have like new Lucida [TS]

02:31:50   Grande font files in Mavericks that are optimized and I think that some of the [TS]

02:31:56   features in there there's a kerning pairs and stuff like that which they [TS]

02:32:03   actually Lucida Grande never had before it was that the whole textures system [TS]

02:32:08   got a revision too much better handle like ligatures and all the other stuff [TS]

02:32:11   you know in regular text but above and beyond that which I would have liked to [TS]

02:32:16   put a section review about that but I didn't know enough about the details [TS]

02:32:19   about a change of Texas like you know how much people would care but changing [TS]

02:32:23   system like above and beyond to change the Texas they made a special new [TS]

02:32:27   variant of the file I could you pick Lucida Grande in the 1974 raisins and [TS]

02:32:33   podcast if you pick that funny text datatype with it you're not typing with [TS]

02:32:37   the same one they used to draw the menus biggest stars of like WABC they were and [TS]

02:32:42   I think they're still they have a specially tweaked version for when you [TS]

02:32:45   for one Apple uses it in the UI fact that you actually show up in the thought [TS]

02:32:49   picker would like some weird name but now you know it's like two different [TS]

02:32:52   things and I think that's appropriate because the application of a font as [TS]

02:32:57   your UI thing even if you found exactly the fine you win you always want to just [TS]

02:33:01   do like well I'm going to tweak it in ways that only makes sense when it's [TS]

02:33:04   like a menubar new menu item but you would not want to write it if you're [TS]

02:33:07   using the page layout program in this particular fund like you said it's their [TS]

02:33:13   labels and label fund is different than a reading fun did you follow that link [TS]

02:33:18   like one guy after posting review one guy actually figured out what the [TS]

02:33:21   difference is where and how long blog post go find a part of our view and [TS]

02:33:25   click on like the whatever that means text because I didn't know like you know [TS]

02:33:29   i i asked Apple I didn't know what it meant that I have that but like I know [TS]

02:33:32   you change the font and he said it's optimized to run news like what does [TS]

02:33:35   that mean it's like well you know like it means you know they didn't give me [TS]

02:33:39   any specific deal so here's this guy who said ok I'm gonna pull up the funds in [TS]

02:33:43   my editor and he shows exactly how they change the letter forms for this thing [TS]

02:33:46   versus the old one [TS]

02:33:49   whatever that means there we go get some of the changes like every guy says [TS]

02:33:55   something changes make sense and see what other changes just like was that a [TS]

02:33:58   mistake into the just forget to change it it's it's weird I saw the Stephen [TS]

02:34:01   Coles post on the typographical guy but I did not see this here we go [TS]

02:34:10   great love this guy all right let's call a show get to bed last night John [TS]

02:34:19   Siracusa thank you so much people can go they can read your review a man can't [TS]

02:34:24   believe you haven't shame on you haven't already read it but it's at Ars Technica [TS]

02:34:27   just type in our technical fabrics reviewing in your local Google get to it [TS]

02:34:34   I was like to be able to type my last name and maverick america's I want my [TS]

02:34:39   result to be the top one sometimes it isn't but how could that not be the top [TS]

02:34:43   result as CEO Eric networks that's what I've always called yes the first hit you [TS]

02:34:57   could find its off the front page of our site at this point that's how old it is [TS]

02:34:59   but it's it's on the first page of our hearts [TS]