The Talk Show

60: Anti-Elop Bias

 

  Sao Paulo time you run the show was a very special event i I crashed a party [TS]

  for the final live talk show it to you actually not indicted [TS]

  backstage and then all of a sudden you you came out I don't know why I bought a [TS]

  drink that was that was that was well received and then and then you were [TS]

  talking about about just the tip with a me so I crashed a party like it's right [TS]

  but she was actually invited to be on the show but this time I'm invited right [TS]

  only to leave now you know and I kind of keep your mouth shut i mean you weren't [TS]

  really didn't come out there I think about their bladder and just right now [TS]

  but in between that was like the second week in June and we're recording right [TS]

  now on the 10th of November in between you and my wife Amy and had an entire [TS]

  season of podcast they just the tip that's right how many episodes agenda it [TS]

  was 15 episodes for season 1 you guys were planning originally just under 10 [TS]

  though we were talking between 10 and 13 and then we had an advertiser that was [TS]

  interested do a couple more episodes and big sellouts figured out a way to slip [TS]

  some large does in which we were out some more material exactly how do you [TS]

  think I think I've been pretty happy with it and that's what I get more [TS]

  feedback for that the past couple months that I have for the software company [TS]

  that i've run for decades [TS]

  doesn't make quite as much money it's not really paying my bills but you know [TS]

  it's been well received I think people like podcast I'm shocked cuz I hate him [TS]

  I don't know how I shouldn't say but I don't listen to him I listen to I listen [TS]

  to our podcast over and over again as I'm editing it which is the worst thing [TS]

  in the world and I listen to some of the talk show and I was until you look nice [TS]

  today which is sadly about to end Trevor isn't it over I thought that it was at [TS]

  the thought the one that just came out last week was deluged final episode is [TS]

  it really was it was part one but it was not a joke you think I i couldnt even [TS]

  had a chance to listen that when you [TS]

  I i've been saving associates were going on at sight reading the one David Foster [TS]

  Wallace now that you know cuz you know there are going to be anymore and that's [TS]

  a dangerous game to play because it's been a couple of years now on David [TS]

  Foster Wallace who could die any moment [TS]

  exactly and then you know what was the point you know how long do you save [TS]

  something like that [TS]

  probably not a good idea to say but I felt the same way with you look nice [TS]

  today [TS]

  you know they are so I don't you know it is you work from home the same way I do [TS]

  I don't have a commute and everyone I know who listen to podcasts as like all [TS]

  it's the best thing that gets me through the 45 minute hour drive that I have [TS]

  never it is and my commute is you know ten steps down from my bed rooms have to [TS]

  be a real short podcast right i'd I listen to them [TS]

  times if I'm walking and doing errands or something like that through the city [TS]

  I'll load up on the iPhone and then I have something to listen to as I walked [TS]

  through the city but its I just don't have as much time as you know I don't [TS]

  have any computer right was I almost died almost finished last week's talk [TS]

  show before we started recording this one so I got like half an hour left on [TS]

  that once I'm almost done in London slip I've been letting go way to get off I'm [TS]

  just at like 45 minutes understand ago you should just go well and it's funny [TS]

  because it gets to the nature of what people do you know when they listen to [TS]

  podcasts and for people with let's just say in this is very common especially in [TS]

  America that you might have an hour commute each way two hours a day and [TS]

  that's 10 hours a week and you know if you have ten hours a week in your car [TS]

  and then a two and a half hour to it was almost two and a half hour at this talk [TS]

  show if you like hearing me talk and if you like John Siracusa we got so many [TS]

  people who are like oh my god I was so happy when I saw Syracuse was on the [TS]

  show and then I saw how long it was and I got even [TS]

  right but I'm sure there's also an there's also I think a silent on over to [TS]

  modularity I don't know I'm sure there's a part of you out there who were like oh [TS]

  my god I love the show but come on two hours about some editing and the worst [TS]

  part is it was added it so the reel-to-reel recording was like four or [TS]

  five hours I don't know but you know and if I had the forethought you know cuz I [TS]

  do the sponsor reads while I'm doing the show and I guess what I could do is not [TS]

  do that and then if it ends up that a guest is on and we get three feels like [TS]

  solid hours I can call that two shows right you know and then just record the [TS]

  bits in the sponsor later you know but it would the way that I did the sponsor [TS]

  read I couldn't really would have been easy to break it into two up to cut it [TS]

  out is that would be great cuz I could just take a week off and try to do [TS]

  anything right I'm gonna try and I want to get back down to try to try to do [TS]

  this one in an hour [TS]

  alright but we had twenty minutes shit to get it flies time flies right now un [TS]

  ami tho you on just the tip you guys doctor did I know and beginning you guys [TS]

  even I think you even said on air that I was very little more than half an hour [TS]

  and we managed to do it it's so in the beginning we recorded and we just talked [TS]

  and talked and I had to chop it down and eventually I realized hey I should make [TS]

  us have a hard cut off of like 60 minutes and then I'll only have to add [TS]

  it thirty minutes out but yeah there is a lot of stuff that we cut out that you [TS]

  know maybe was a little bit funny or pretty funny but we really want to hit [TS]

  that thirty-minute point so it's it's tough not editing is the way to go if [TS]

  you if you can do it [TS]

  yeah you and i i i dont have him I showed my friend Sexton doesn't do [TS]

  there's a hell of a job but he doesn't really add it added content right for [TS]

  the most part I mean he'll call he's great he's he's a long time listener the [TS]

  show [TS]

  and and gets totally gets what the show if it's good what it is that's good [TS]

  about it and he will call it out and he'll ask waco say like if an entire bit [TS]

  really bored him he'll suggest taking it out and I i dont think Ive ever [TS]

  disagreed ok but for the most part [TS]

  whole bit don't get edited out it's you know maybe a bit of stammering and and [TS]

  if there's a mistake or something like that right and I think he does a great [TS]

  job he does a good job making me sound a lot better but he doesn't edit you know [TS]

  like film editing which is I could you and Amy did with just the tip or you [TS]

  know it's a pain in the ass i dont recommended but I am I am happy with the [TS]

  product we get out of it and I think we were talking about people that like a [TS]

  long shower and certainly plenty people do but it's difficult to argue with the [TS]

  short showed its hopefully pretty punchy which is and you know I'm sure you know [TS]

  people who listen to dozens of podcast condemn others that do it but it's it it [TS]

  does lead lend itself to a higher production feel and you know you look [TS]

  nice today always did that and they did they always had the nice thing where [TS]

  they have the little jingles in between the edited segments which gives it more [TS]

  of those transitions right absolutely like I told you I'd listen to almost [TS]

  every episode is just the tip I think I don't think so but [TS]

  I like the edited nature of it but I did think every once in awhile sometimes the [TS]

  transition between segments with abrupt yeah you could end and part of it is you [TS]

  know this is the first time I was editing the podcast a part of it was [TS]

  just getting used to editing and any other deadly were points where you could [TS]

  hear a cut and you know we had my friend Todd who did all these theme song for [TS]

  the show and I was thinking about making that idea from you and I say I'm just [TS]

  putting my two little musical interlude five seconds between things I might I [TS]

  might wind up doing that if I find that I i do what up having those those cuts [TS]

  that are really obvious especially now that they're off the air yeah absolutely [TS]

  we never want to steal everything John Hodgman to record stuff that was quite a [TS]

  way that was one of the most surprising things to me is Amy and I you know just [TS]

  you know I don't think frankly she might listen you're on but she listens when [TS]

  somebody she likes yeah that's what she said but she didn't really run much by [TS]

  me you know I mean I was you know I didn't know much in advance of any given [TS]

  week episode until it actually hit you know so I was very surprised the first [TS]

  time I heard a theme song and it was good but then the next week when it had [TS]

  like all new theme song that was just as good [TS]

  it was like bizarre to me because that's like the one of the hardest thing how do [TS]

  you get a good theme song very hard to do well so this is my buddy type who's [TS]

  shouldn't while I'm on a different shows I think I can I can read about a little [TS]

  bit but he's working on his doctorate and when he wants to slack off he just [TS]

  settles in GarageBand and since we had about 10 different theme songs he's been [TS]

  you know what's the word I want you know just slacking off quite a bit I think [TS]

  behave but it was amazing to me though because they were you know pretty good [TS]

  yeah we were very happy with them and and certainly we were grateful to have [TS]

  this the supplied to us and I was that that was a real gift for you look nice [TS]

  today is that US and EU and Sandy make all those I never even got the story or [TS]

  those [TS]

  John Hodgman recordings [TS]

  you know in like music to the music I think he did the music at least yeah we [TS]

  should I guess I just always assumed it was him I know Scott doesn't do music [TS]

  thing I think maryland's cruise around but he doesn't screw that type of music [TS]

  but anyway those jingles they had for the interstitials you know between the [TS]

  segments were gave that show such an incredibly polished feel and I thought [TS]

  that you guys had sort of the same thing with just the tip games but it was so [TS]

  crazy that they were different every time [TS]

  yea well so when we got what it was like alright we can use this and then and [TS]

  then he gave me like three more and I was like well these are all great and [TS]

  none of them are obviously better than the others I might as well as using new [TS]

  one every week so do you know there's no brand recognition or anything like that [TS]

  gonna get from this but that's alright so that's an extra means like the main [TS]

  reason why I love you know from the get go all the way back to the original runs [TS]

  this show it dan that we've never had any kind of theme song or anything like [TS]

  that cuz my thought is if you can't find one that's great then it better not to [TS]

  have any at all and I and too many podcasts I think out there have like the [TS]

  equivalent of like muzak like Times New Roman yeah like you've got you know [TS]

  Times New Roman in Helvetica on your computer and so you're going to use [TS]

  those right you know not bad but like so clearly like just generic that it's it [TS]

  doesn't feel real like not there somehow there's like a line you can press put a [TS]

  song urging color theme song over that makes it feel real an original and [TS]

  there's something else it's just like Generic going from the library of like [TS]

  10 podcast theme songs that exists in GarageBand may be exactly like you know [TS]

  and just altering it a little bit I get you know the difference between the [TS]

  original blog design and just using a template right now that's bad like like [TS]

  one of the default WordPress templates which isn't bad necessarily right and [TS]

  you know a lot of those [TS]

  you know it's it's like the ante has been raised so high in template design [TS]

  you know they the default WordPress templates if you do like a fresh install [TS]

  they're actually pretty good and Squarespace in those guys all have [TS]

  really good 10 minutes [TS]

  tumblr you know when you sign up for temporary use some really good templates [TS]

  to choose from now but they're still you know they're not original right and and [TS]

  a hundred other sites are gonna have that same one I was so I always thought [TS]

  you know why not just have none if you know about a wooden none template look [TS]

  like well I don't know like dance are white page [TS]

  well thats I mean you style bad like you created that style but it's closer to [TS]

  nine then to WordPress tumblr I guess what you would be the equivalent would [TS]

  be maybe the equivalent of having a blog that doesn't have a logo ok something [TS]

  like that yeah I give you can't have a good logo don't have any local instead [TS]

  of a bad luck I might be overthinking it now you take a break and we're going to [TS]

  get this done an hour and see if we can do this [TS]

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  I remember their booth was just packed media because of all the designer type [TS]

  people in New York who want to learn how to make websites and stuff so in the [TS]

  news this week [TS]

  couple things that jumped out at me what we got [TS]

  III said what's your name the woman from the New York Times wrote this she's an [TS]

  economics reporter I just read over this and now I don't remember the name either [TS]

  she wrote a piece in their Sunday magazine a week ago Catherine rampell [TS]

  alleging [TS]

  pretty much flat out alleging has no real maybe to it alleging that Apple [TS]

  like booby traps their iPhones so that when new models come out it instantly [TS]

  knows and starts slowing down and write your old phone starter battery the [TS]

  battery doesn't last as long and it when it when she wrote the first piece I [TS]

  linked to a rebuttal in of all places Gizmodo and I wrote something to the [TS]

  effect of you know catcher Jason dogs here's here's ginsberg common sense [TS]

  coming from Gizmodo two straight times to straighten out nonsense in the New [TS]

  York Times hell is going on in the world do but in the meantime since she's like [TS]

  double down on the she has like follow up post on economics blog at the new [TS]

  york times where she reiterated some of the stuff and explain some of the [TS]

  contention she had made right she was on CNN there is a segment on CNN headline [TS]

  news is I got a real CNN it was a conspiracy right is there an Apple [TS]

  conspiracy or something and it's whose whose laws it with headlines that [TS]

  whatever if you have a question mark headline it and it can just be answered [TS]

  with yes or no better just law right that's right the answer is always no [TS]

  that was the thing is the headline on her original piece which you can still [TS]

  see in the in the slug in the URL was it something like why Apple wants to bust [TS]

  your iPhone and then they changed the headline to you know something [TS]

  wishy-washy like the Apple trapper something who was it I was talking about [TS]

  that was somebody was a damn from her I think it was down from her like a week [TS]

  or two [TS]

  ago on this show part 2 weeks ago was only about one so many seats en ESAs you [TS]

  can see an original headline that got toned down right subsequent Bloomberg [TS]

  does it all the time Bloomberg it seems like they really don't put out like a [TS]

  real punchy headline for five minutes and then somebody will be like whoa whoa [TS]

  whoa that's what you get any URL right and at a certain point do you think it's [TS]

  intentional and they you know tone it down after the fact [TS]

  after they've gotten some of the the links that they wanted in the first [TS]

  place [TS]

  no I don't think so I think it's more that the pressure to publish fast and [TS]

  you know it means that the oversight that would happen before you know it [TS]

  comes after the fact they say I'll be sure to turn that down in the first [TS]

  place right like like in the old days before the web [TS]

  go back to 1988 you know that if she wrote the same article for The New York [TS]

  Times Magazine at some point before they actually put the magazine to press [TS]

  somebody would have looked some conservative copy editor would have [TS]

  looked at the headline said hey we got it you know this is whereas now it's [TS]

  like four o'clock she's done for 15 it's gone through copyediting 428 gets [TS]

  published in like maybe four forty somebody else looks at a headline you [TS]

  know it's already been published you know you know and I do it I certainly [TS]

  it's you know it's stupid to pretend that the web is print in that once [TS]

  you've hit published you know it's sacrosanct he can't correct anything or [TS]

  or you know change it or whatever I mean if you changed significantly they did [TS]

  you should market yeah almost as a courtesy not like as self-flagellation [TS]

  but almost as a courtesy to readers who may be read the original version and [TS]

  they're like crazy crazy you know just you know if you've already seen it now [TS]

  this is what it used to say it but this didn't sit right with me and it hasn't [TS]

  the whole the whole basis of her argument and it's it's a little bit more [TS]

  than just a veneer Times wrote something [TS]

  really almost slanderous about Apple and I think I think what it is is it just [TS]

  didn't occur to me at first is that it's not just that it's wrong but that I [TS]

  think it's actually completely opposite I i think that in consumer electronics [TS]

  say what you want you know you know there's all sorts of ways to be cynical [TS]

  about Apple but I think overall even if you're not a fan of their products even [TS]

  if you're an Android person or Windows users or you know pick pick any other [TS]

  competing platforms I really do think it's fair to say that Apple takes care [TS]

  of existing customers and older devices better than anybody else while I really [TS]

  like it [TS]

  look at Android you know look at how many devices never get an update or you [TS]

  know six months after their release they're considered out of date and don't [TS]

  get a new version of the operating system right brand and is that better [TS]

  right and look at the Nexus itself which is the one from Google which is the full [TS]

  Google experience and which they control the software updates to one of the [TS]

  biggest parts of the Nexus hardware line isn't just that you get the you don't [TS]

  have any carrier add-on crowd you can do it's also that you get your updates [TS]

  direct from Google Apple style right and so with my android four point four words [TS]

  just came out like 10 days ago it it's only available for two models of phones [TS]

  the brand new one and the Nexus for the two models back Galaxy Nexus which was [TS]

  still being sold it in the beginning of calendar 2013 as like a discounted [TS]

  access right and it's only two years old [TS]

  period if you bought it on day one already has been cut off from Google's [TS]

  own OS read and in day saves you know their explanation is that you know it [TS]

  uses a Texas Instruments chipset that Texas instrum you know Texas insurances [TS]

  sense in the interim two years [TS]

  stopped [TS]

  updating whatever but that doesn't make any sense of doesn't make any sense to [TS]

  the customer who bought 12 years ago right that's the thing that really [TS]

  matters as a user if you think you know I got this sometimes even this year [TS]

  you're saying and suddenly it's out of date that there's no there's no [TS]

  explanation that's gonna make you think ok that makes it right and so I really [TS]

  feel like it's it's just like what makes it so pernicious is that it really is [TS]

  actually the opposite of you know what's good about Apple so here's another [TS]

  example I know she's talking about phones but look at maverick maverick [TS]

  Mavericks is a free upgrade means that are as old as six years old [TS]

  yeah I don't think it's every device from every Mac from 2007 but there are [TS]

  some of the max from 2007 are eligible for Mavericks and the only reason they [TS]

  drew the line there is that you know it's not out of spite like we want you [TS]

  to buy a new Mac if you're still using a 2006 one but you know that that's the [TS]

  line where I think Apple thinks no Mavericks would if we made it work it [TS]

  would be worse right well so if anything i mean there has been reports there have [TS]

  been reports in the past [TS]

  of phones getting more sluggish when they updated to the new OS right you've [TS]

  heard this absolutely absurd and I don't i i don't doubt it either right i mean [TS]

  you're running new home new software on all hardware and the software was built [TS]

  for the new hardware that is now come out so potentially you know it would [TS]

  make sense that this would not work as well as the new devices obviously but [TS]

  even as well as the old software running on the device but if they're guilty of [TS]

  something it's you know not cutting things off when they should it's not an [TS]

  issue of them you know maliciously trying to make your phone lousy so [TS]

  you'll go buy a new one i dont I think of all the guests you have on your show [TS]

  I might have sort of the most complicated relationship with Apple [TS]

  certainly I think that's actually very true I mean we've we as a company has [TS]

  had multiple issues with the with Apple in their app stores and you know [TS]

  anything when you do into but as as even as an individual as a user of a [TS]

  complicated relationship with [TS]

  the products I love their products I hate some of their policies but I can't [TS]

  look at this and think like yup they're really trying to screw people over with [TS]

  their iPhone 4 and make them buy a new phone it just doesn't it doesn't read to [TS]

  me it doesn't scan as as realistic right and I know that there are people out [TS]

  there who had that's an iPhone 4 even for us and then they upgraded to iOS 7 [TS]

  and the phone really got slow and battery with seven point oh oh right [TS]

  cause there was some rest was addressed with some of the updates right but it's [TS]

  definitely not the case in fact I've tested it just adds in the last week I [TS]

  like actually cause I keep all my old iPhones actually fired up my old iPhone [TS]

  4 and I didn't even fresh install it [TS]

  Jonas had been using it for a year or more as his you know gaming device so [TS]

  without wiping anything out a device that he had used you know after I fresh [TS]

  reinstall are wiped it whatever you wanna call it but they he'd used for at [TS]

  least a solid year I just did the ok software update is available [TS]

  drop it on there did you know just like a regular consumer would ok I'll allow [TS]

  it you know is it as snappy as my iPhone 5s know but it was absolutely usable you [TS]

  know is it not quite as snappy as iOS 5 which is what was where he was upgrading [TS]

  from maybe in some ways some of the animations but overall no I think it's [TS]

  fine and I think there are things like Safari which Apple has continued like [TS]

  the WebKit insofar as continued to improve like it it's faster than it used [TS]

  to be you know JavaScript is faster so you have you have some experience having [TS]

  tested this yourself I can't I shouldn't say that I've tested this and you know i [TS]

  i didnt experience this but all I've heard and what her article started out [TS]

  with was anecdotal evidence right and it was nobody had any facts nobody had any [TS]

  no facts exactly and and so the whole the whole story which [TS]

  blew up on me not to the extent of like antennagate or anything like that but it [TS]

  blew up to the point where you know other news institutions were covering [TS]

  this and taking it seriously the whole thing was based on a predicated on you [TS]

  know my phones a little slower than it used to be I think yeah and so here's [TS]

  where I think the fact that it's the new york times makes it worse is that the [TS]

  New York Times is still the new york times when something's in the new york [TS]

  times its it has more gravity read more weight yeah so here's an article from [TS]

  Inc Magazine which is still around but I N C dot com Inc Erik Sherman has an [TS]

  article from sometime in the last week [TS]

  headline planned obsolescence question mark that trick only works at Apple AAPL [TS]

  is worth emulating in many ways but not when it comes to how the company [TS]

  intentionally limits the lifespan of its products and it was was this a response [TS]

  to her wells here to read the beginning the notion of planned obsolescence of [TS]

  the practice of designing products that they have a limited effect of life span [TS]

  may seem like some smart practical economics to some and at times that is [TS]

  true but for entrepreneurs do deliberately limiting the life of [TS]

  products and services is a bad mistake when Iowa seven came whistling down the [TS]

  datapipe to older model I found it must have first seemed like an early holiday [TS]

  present no cost and all sorts of new goodies but is Catherine rampell wrote [TS]

  in The New York Times good news turned a bad as her iPhone 4 became quote a lot [TS]

  more sluggish and then it's a quote from her article know everybody just have it [TS]

  is the way that he starts it is look if the New York Times says it makes your [TS]

  iPhone 4 slow then it makes your iPhone 4 slow and they did it on purpose of the [TS]

  people of great because the New York Times said this right and I really do [TS]

  think that makes it worse here they give me an idea for an article and I know who [TS]

  could do it would have to be somebody like the verge or Engadget one of those [TS]

  outfits where they have a staff of people including [TS]

  you know staff members who use Android devices full time because one thing we [TS]

  know is that you know the batteries that are in these devices definitely get [TS]

  worse at the more you use you know you know it's like a year old device that's [TS]

  been charged 300 times is not going to have the battery life that it didn't [TS]

  brand new battery that was that was one of the most galling things about this [TS]

  was it was talking about the batteries and it it was like you know should they [TS]

  put in a better battery didn't get that battery doesn't exist [TS]

  hey they're exactly the best battery they can and as much of that battery as [TS]

  they can because they know everyone wants battery life if anything you know [TS]

  that's the one thing that they're absolutely not doing right one of the [TS]

  exactly what other proposals should Apple be putting in a battery that [TS]

  doesn't lose any capacity at its like no because it doesn't exist should somebody [TS]

  invent that battery yes absolutely sure Apple would love to talk to you if [TS]

  you've invented such a battery I'll bet you can get a very nice check out if you [TS]

  can invent a battery that doesn't lose capacity I'm also sure though that if [TS]

  you invented such a battery I'm sure there are some physics departments [TS]

  around the country they love to talk to you would like a call from Sweden after [TS]

  that one because there's you know there's certain laws of thermodynamics [TS]

  of what you want but you know there's a conservation there's a reason why [TS]

  batteries lose power or used right its physics so sorry I cut you off without [TS]

  talking about the battery but that was that stuck out to me so much but I would [TS]

  love to see III you know my biased maybe but I would bet money though that a year [TS]

  old iPhone that's been used for target like a review unit but like you know [TS]

  like I could volunteer my your old iPhone 5 run it through the same battery [TS]

  test that you do when you were testing the brand new devices and see what the [TS]

  differences you know does a year old Samsung Galaxy hold up as well you know [TS]

  not just one that's been sitting on a shelf but I'm saying one that liked [TS]

  you know nerd techno real-world usage absolutely is used for a year [TS]

  what's the battery life 10 you know i i would I feel pretty good I would I would [TS]

  wager a wee bit of money that Apple devices percentage wise hold up better [TS]

  than most and least as good I would be shocked if it was worse it's certainly [TS]

  not something where it's gonna be worse exactly right there I would be [TS]

  flabbergasted if Apple devices lost more capacity over the same amount of usage [TS]

  as others I would guess that if anything might be better right but the articles [TS]

  make it sound as though it's only Apple right right and yeah really pin this on [TS]

  them and and made it sound like they're putting in terrible batteries and [TS]

  they're rushing in [TS]

  out software updates that will hurt your phone and the whole thing the whole [TS]

  thing was like I said predicated on these you know personal experience that [TS]

  may or may not even be true and didn't have any factual basis or you know any [TS]

  facts backing up and then the one last thing that really bothers me about this [TS]

  whole narrative is that to me it's also predicated on a very sort of [TS]

  longstanding they call it The Cult of Mac theory the idea that you know I know [TS]

  there's a website called The Cult of Mac I'll be dead people have called it a [TS]

  cold and rainy and mortars always been [TS]

  guys call it out i mean the strong you're talking about the straw man [TS]

  argument of where Apple fans will defend anything and will buy anything right [TS]

  right no matter what album comes out with them [TS]

  and I think that really plays into this because thats this you know like just [TS]

  look at this headline in a planned obsolescence that trick only works at [TS]

  Apple cause I think about what they're saying what they're saying is [TS]

  including Catherine rampell of the times they're saying okay you've got a two [TS]

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  down and you said ok install it and now your phone [TS]

  worst battery life and worst performance and they're saying well then of course [TS]

  your gonna go buy a new iPhone it wouldn't the rational person se bebe at [TS]

  that moment less likely to buy another iPhone then something else [TS]

  absolute one and she's so far so she's an economics reporter she's not actually [TS]

  technology reporter and and she did touch on this a little bit so there was [TS]

  a little bit of interesting discussion on you know what it actually makes sense [TS]

  to do this and it was saying you know if you have a monopoly and you're the only [TS]

  ones making a smartphone then you should do this because people are just gonna [TS]

  buy your new device but as you said there's competition out there that's you [TS]

  know decent at least and if you're pissed off at Apple because they major [TS]

  phone work like crap you're gonna look at that competition alot more closely [TS]

  right and one of the ways that I think the computing world in general is gonna [TS]

  lot better as time has gone on is that it's gotten alot easier to switch from [TS]

  one platform to another there's nowhere near as much locked in technical lock in [TS]

  is there used to be I mean it is absolutely true that with the App Store [TS]

  you know I was gonna say I'm mobile platforms I feel like we started talk a [TS]

  little bit of a step back there but on the other hand the prices having come [TS]

  down so far were so many of the apps you may have bought are literally like 99 [TS]

  censored buck 99 or freeze but so many things that you know just the fact that [TS]

  your floppy disks were different formats drive right but I mean so many people [TS]

  have so much of their stuff just in Dropbox or in you know Google Apps Gmail [TS]

  you can put your calendar on Google Calendar and stuff like that it's really [TS]

  a lot easier to switch and I know this from you know just the time if I you [TS]

  know the times when I'll try an Android phone for a month or something like that [TS]

  I don't have everything but I can get a lot I can get a lot of my stuff just by [TS]

  signing into Dropbox and Google and stuff like that it's a lot easier than [TS]

  it used to be certainly less bodies you know I'm not saying it's easy there's [TS]

  certainly some some technical locked in but it used to be so I don't think [TS]

  anybody would be wise to do that I just think and I think that they're only read [TS]

  the reason they only write this about a boy nobody else is nobody else you could [TS]

  even make it seem as though there are these irrational customers who after [TS]

  being given a total shit sandwich like hey we took your perfectly working [TS]

  iPhone and ruined it come by a new I feel like it's an insult to people who [TS]

  buy iPhones I think I realized they'd be willing to just put up with this right [TS]

  like wouldn't that be the moment where do you most angry at Apple and most [TS]

  likely to buy a Samsung I i in fact I would be willing to bet if you can [TS]

  somehow survey a thousand people are 10,000 people who've bought it I you [TS]

  know a cellphone period in the last six weeks of I try my today if you can find [TS]

  the number of those people who installed Iowa seven and hated it for whatever [TS]

  reason I'll bet that those people are disproportionate probably not its I [TS]

  don't think there's a lot of them and only two percentage be high but I bet [TS]

  there'd be some kind of correlation that those people were more likely to try a [TS]

  Samsung switch over to and right yeah I think that you know it's you know it is [TS]

  a little irritation like that is the sort of thing that could really not due [TS]

  to do that and I think Apple is fully aware of that right and what he had like [TS]

  i said i don't i don't agree with a lot of stuff but I just can't see that it [TS]

  makes any sense for them to say yeah but this is how we're going to get some new [TS]

  sales but screw over the people who bought a phone two years ago I mean I [TS]

  think I think the biggest thing is that like I said I think maybe they should [TS]

  not have offered this update to those older phones if it was not gonna work as [TS]

  well as it should but of course I mean if you do that then you're getting the [TS]

  people who say all why is my phone already out of date [TS]

  right why can't I get the latest so you can't win when you have tens of millions [TS]

  of customers somebody's gonna be ticked off right and it's definitely the case [TS]

  that you know an older phone is way more likely than a newer phone to have [TS]

  developed some sort of even wanna call it a bug when I caught some some kind of [TS]

  configuration of preference settings and data and usage that it's not gonna turn [TS]

  up over the summer while it's being beta tested and it certainly also the case [TS]

  that the majority of the people using iOS 7 while it was in beta and next year [TS]

  who will be using Iowa State and Baylor are not using two or three year old [TS]

  iPhones are rising on their new phones that they aren't allowed to show anybody [TS]

  but it is absolutely not the case and it's like I said it's the opposite that [TS]

  three year old iPhone users get more from Apple than any other phone nobody [TS]

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  to be the announcer for the Brooklyn Brooklyn and eighty-five we should all [TS]

  right but the most amazing thing is is he sounds exactly the same like listen [TS]

  to an old clip of Jackie Robinson you know right [TS]

  playing in Brooklyn in 1954 it sounds and Zach hill he came calling the game [TS]

  today [TS]

  well I mean that's the beauty of radio is he doesn't look quite the same he [TS]

  looks a little early but anyway unlike any other [TS]

  any other baseball announcer I'm aware of he still works alone he describes him [TS]

  in the booth he doesn't do you know one guy doing play-by-play announcer guy [TS]

  doing as they call it color commentary which is fine and you know the reason [TS]

  why everybody else does it I think it would be really hard to do it by [TS]

  yourself with what he does is difficult right it's just amazing he's the voice [TS]

  of baseball and I wonder if I could do a talk show with no gas will say you were [TS]

  a little late getting to this I actually did about 15 minutes before you got here [TS]

  it's all gold so you know maybe will tack that on right at the beginning [TS]

  Paul doing eventually yeah absolutely I would love to you know I would love to [TS]

  have been slowly on the show [TS]

  disease he at all [TS]

  announces for the Dodgers I have no opportunity to listen to him I'm aware [TS]

  of him but does he have the up on technology at all I have to imagine he's [TS]

  not I'm guessing definitely not I would guess I would guess he's technology say [TS]

  I mean it's gotta just be a baseball show you couldn't do anything else [TS]

  yeah maybe some funny broadcasting stories maybe just let him do a talk [TS]

  show maybe a literal know what I'm saying you're not on right exactly it's [TS]

  just a little Vin Scully talks you know what I thought was great during the [TS]

  playoffs baseball player us on TBS their their studio show meaning not be gains [TS]

  but when they do when the games would cut back to the TBS studio between the [TS]

  two games yeah we're in between games [TS]

  Keith Olbermann was leading it and whenever they would show highlights from [TS]

  the Dodgers games instead of showing are listening to the TBS crews that had [TS]

  broadcast the games they were using Vin Scully they were using vin scully which [TS]

  I thought was really nice touch and I don't know if I had to fight for that [TS]

  like it that was little if there is any kind of pushback internally because it [TS]

  was his own network is that he's ousting basically right but I almost have to [TS]

  think that [TS]

  know even if if your if like me and you were calling the Dodgers st. Louis came [TS]

  between Keith Olbermann showed that highlights the used vince sculley would [TS]

  be like well yeah of course of course you gotta use is the baseball announcers [TS]

  baseball announcer right who who won that one in the playoffs who won the [TS]

  World Series the Red Sox how that's right ok you know good team he'll be [TS]

  here [TS]

  yeah I just you know no hard feelings now I'm just I'm just get graduations [TS]

  get them next year right [TS]

  losers her eight hands don't say get a text you accuse fans liked it there just [TS]

  angry Forex [TS]

  assume they assume winner or loser gonna get them next year that's that's the [TS]

  difference other teams have fans were there like well we don't do this year [TS]

  maybe next year yet the next year is assumed from the get go anyway [TS]

  into this year and next year yeah and the year after that I mean you know when [TS]

  or series is good but really gotta win three four five in a row he's a really [TS]

  really put yeah there's a funny thing you know there's a the Red Sox fans [TS]

  design wanna go to launch reports I know people get bothered but Yankees fans [TS]

  have always had there's there's real Yankees and not really Yankees and it's [TS]

  hard to tell exactly cheaters are real yankee a large not so much [TS]

  jpg a ride is not a real yankee although he a ride is almost an asterisk in every [TS]

  category every possible because he's been there for so long and managed to [TS]

  win 2011 World Series and the one that he won he did you know he was [TS]

  unbelievably was really good [TS]

  key key player on the team Matsui was the MVP but it could have been a ride [TS]

  for the whole playoff run it was probably a ride but it's not just liked [TS]

  so Jeter came up through the system [TS]

  you know and farm system Mariano Rivera is clearly a real yankee came up through [TS]

  the system Andy Pettitte came up through the system [TS]

  Posada came up through the system but you don't have to so I like a famous [TS]

  example of a guy who's everybody considers a real yankee but did not come [TS]

  up through the system in fact even won his first World Series with the team was [TS]

  Paul O'Neill number Pawlenty oh yeah absolutely right fielder who did he win [TS]

  with before the rats ok he played like came up while he played for pete rose I [TS]

  don't think he he might he might have been like a kid playing with on Pete [TS]

  Rose Reds have to look up when he started but he if not he came up on the [TS]

  Reds in like the late eighties and I always love him because he was a hot it [TS]

  is a type of guy who if he struck out here half the time and he tried gaudy [TS]

  good on the clubhouse and take his bat to the Gatorade jug break the bad just [TS]

  he just going on smash stuff and I always appreciate always love those guys [TS]

  I was always a mcenroe fans love makin' right right yeah same type like a racket [TS]

  smash but he's Ariz considered a real yankee will get everybody people say [TS]

  well you know what's the key what's the secret you know you know when you see it [TS]

  right it's like you know I C and guess what you gotta win by three in four [TS]

  World Series writes all O'Neill won the World Series with the Yankees so he's [TS]

  really a key right not that hard [TS]

  Big Papi real red sock absolutely do you do with the twins though so the right [TS]

  right I have to donate to come up with the organization Pedroia real red sock [TS]

  drags a sign Pedroia senior something like that [TS]

  Kobe Ellsbury not a real red zone maybe three signs signs yeah absolutely he [TS]

  takes a whole lot of money somewhere else then yeah even with two rings with [TS]

  the team [TS]

  Pedro Martinez yeah real red sock yeah that's right i mean he came up from the [TS]

  expos and he played for other teams but I think I think you know thirty years [TS]

  from now you know Pedro shows up at Fenway and everybody you know there's [TS]

  going to be inviting him you know well how about one that's gonna it's gonna [TS]

  hurt about Dave Roberts he was with the team for like half a season but that's [TS]

  the biggest stolen base in the team's history that might be enough to earn it [TS]

  I don't know I don't think so [TS]

  alright I would also got technology let's let's move up the payout [TS]

  story i think i think is the story about it was in business week couple days ago [TS]

  about this Stephen Elop Nokia see all Nokia used to work at Microsoft and [TS]

  Microsoft has since announced the acquisition of Nokia's handset business [TS]

  so he's he's coming back and before the whole bomber resignation thing was [TS]

  slated to take over like the devices wing of Microsoft which was gonna be [TS]

  Nokia phones and Xbox right so I looked at this I looked at this briefly what [TS]

  was what was interesting about a tu well it's a business week story that says [TS]

  that three sources said this is what he loved would do he would run Microsoft [TS]

  well and effectively here's how we would change it because you know it's sort of [TS]

  goes instead but everybody have to assume that whoever is coming in to take [TS]

  over Microsoft is gotta do something different because of something different [TS]

  why the squeeze bomber [TS]

  so he love has come out and he hasn't come out and said to be at three sources [TS]

  went to Bloomberg and said that he would he would stop using office as a way to [TS]

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  Iowa s right and and and the Mac just doesn't measure in enough numbers to [TS]

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  right is you know you ninety-something percent max offer you guys have some [TS]

  Iowa stuff but couple hours while we have one Windows app as well but yeah [TS]

  but me where max offer right that would be my description right now you guys [TS]

  could stop making the other ones new business would be the same interview [TS]

  stop making mac software but do you know the Grand number of potential Mac Office [TS]

  users just not that big and that there are you know and there but they're also [TS]

  for twenty-some years has done very well [TS]

  Office for Mac is very popular on that very expensive right but it's a decent [TS]

  profit so it's just us you know do member there used to be and I think it's [TS]

  the sort of thing where you kinda have to take the analysts word for it because [TS]

  nobody really unveils it but it used to be said I think that the math kinda [TS]

  holds up that Microsoft traditionally profits more her Mac sold then they do [TS]

  per PC salt because the percentage of people who buy office for mac multiplied [TS]

  by the price of Office for Mac is greater then yes greater than the cost [TS]

  of windows that get slight diversion tickets licensed to the IOM's because [TS]

  nobody normally Windows users don't buy the hundred and $29 copy of Windows they [TS]

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  install the free updates or service packs whatever they call them right and [TS]

  eventually buy a new machine wright also comes with a license right and a lot of [TS]

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  they have office it came license to to them or if they have it work almost [TS]

  certainly it's you know some kind of site license and its way lower whereas a [TS]

  lot of Mac users are consumers and by the Hunterdon whatever dollar version of [TS]

  Office right right was so that's the plan [TS]

  the biggest part of the plan like you were saying was to have office be [TS]

  everywhere instead of saying hey if you want office you probably won't windows [TS]

  and if you don't want Windows maybe you can get on your Mac and is it on [TS]

  anything else you must be on Windows Phone yeah but if you want office you [TS]

  probably want to Windows platform or maybe a Mac but it's not on Windows [TS]

  Phone its about propping up there it's used as a competitive cudgel to prop up [TS]

  their platforms iOS itself and you know I guess they mention the Android [TS]

  demeanor and whispers before that they've even considered taking office [TS]

  standard and I think that that opened a whole can of worms terms of the whole [TS]

  fragmentation and how many Android devices are even capable of it but [TS]

  regardless it that the article made it sound as though that's what he would do [TS]

  but like you said this was based on a bunt it was not him [TS]

  they did not speak to him supposedly Lee's but they did say it was three [TS]

  different sources and then this is Bloomberg News I mean we're just trying [TS]

  out the new york times not being terribly reputable at the moment but [TS]

  this is a relatively reputable news sources there I'd say the highly [TS]

  reputable yeah you know I V everybody makes mistakes and you know anybody with [TS]

  a perfect record but and the reporters are long you know I know one of them was [TS]

  a member of Peterborough's Peterborough's is aces I mean he's is a [TS]

  guy I mean I've never met him personally but I know you know decades of [TS]

  experience you know reporting on this industry so is it possible that three [TS]

  people smiled to BusinessWeek reporters I guess but I i I would bet my bottom [TS]

  dollar that three people said it and business week is not the type of place [TS]

  where three people who can't verify that they actually know steven you alright if [TS]

  I call them up it's not going to create a story right Paul 67 [TS]

  @ gmail.com send any emails as I was having drinks with steven is sitting [TS]

  next to a guy who looked like Stephen Elop dolls and he says he's gonna he's [TS]

  gonna sell the Xbox division now I mean somebody said this now you know it to me [TS]

  that's fascinating though and it to me the more I think about it the more it [TS]

  shows just how how bad the Microsoft situation has got you know that they [TS]

  they've gotten to the point now where like perspective CEOs are fighting it [TS]

  out in public like this in the in the media [TS]

  yeah like behind the scenes this is obviously contentious this is not any [TS]

  kind this is so definitely not a planned transition right that the infighting has [TS]

  become public while the point where to the point where recently they were [TS]

  talking to the media was talking to Bill Gates saying like hey are you gonna pull [TS]

  a Steve Jobs and come back and save your company because they asked that because [TS]

  it seems like they may be needed [TS]

  I think he said no doubt he was pretty sure he wasn't gonna do that so yeah but [TS]

  he did say in a big interview this week I forget where I was was it wired I [TS]

  don't have a gate at an interview with The Financial Times in a bit there is a [TS]

  financial times had a real long profile of them mostly about his charitable work [TS]

  right address that and he did say though that he he is spending and has been [TS]

  spending a lot more than the one day a week right or time that he planned to [TS]

  leave and that he he definitely plans to you know have an active role with [TS]

  whoever they choose as the next CEO so it might be real active because of him I [TS]

  you know and they said it wasn't going to be him that I don't know I mean it's [TS]

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  somebody's got to be the coach of the team and it's like when you've got a [TS]

  former coach who still working in the organization it's like you know you've [TS]

  got to decide you can come back and be the coach again are you kind of have to [TS]

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  he's in your shadow right somebody's in charge if you want if you want to be in [TS]

  charge then take the job I think I don't think it works having somebody like I [TS]

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  adviser behind the scenes here there is an adviser you know like her like when [TS]

  when Marlon Brando became his son's conceivably air right he didn't he [TS]

  wasn't the Godfather he wasn't running the family he was there is an adviser to [TS]

  his son you can be that guy but then you know everybody knows michael Stone [TS]

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  go ahead there's the scene it's one of them just one of the best scenes cuz [TS]

  it's so simple but Seoul logical that this is the way it's gotta be there at [TS]

  the scene in the first one where they're having a meeting and sunny speaks up to [TS]

  sort of you know jack to something and show that there's an argument in the [TS]

  family and over which way to proceed with the drugs and stuff and then they [TS]

  come out of the meeting and Brando is you know he's aight you don't ever let [TS]

  anybody see that you know the fight you know you you know we do are fighting in [TS]

  private right they were meeting with someone else right then why they you [TS]

  know that's why they killed Sunday gives the other people [TS]

  insight into what you're actually arguing about inside the organization [TS]

  right and that to me is like what this thing going public with a plan a pretty [TS]

  bold plan to you know [TS]

  to focus on office rather than focus on their own platforms and you know said [TS]

  that he'd consider selling the Xbox division are splitting it off you know [TS]

  whatever you want to call it making that public is unseemly to me right and land [TS]

  and what what I mean I guess that's the question is what is the benefit to doing [TS]

  that because if you're if you're interested in the job if you want to be [TS]

  the new CEO of the company you can present this plan to the board right [TS]

  he's a high enough level person who can say like I need to speak to the board [TS]

  this is what I would do he doesn't need to use you know the the media to do that [TS]

  so what's the benefit to him of this league I don't think about that this [TS]

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  in the same room you mean you all all remote 10 of us that are all remotes [TS]

  exactly and I think it's not at all reviews but it's looking at the website [TS]

  right now and I'm already interested exactly its ability you know having [TS]

  meetings and stuff like that just kill you ok you need you need something like [TS]

  this I mean I don't know if it's real or not but you're not sure if you don't [TS]

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  I think it looks great really cool look at apps get flow dot com I can I don't [TS]

  see the AM with you I don't see the angle [TS]

  what this does is a must be something and I only thing I can think of [TS]

  something to the effect I like you said obviously if if he's actually being [TS]

  considered for the job is of course he's going to present his plan to the board [TS]

  the only thing I can think of is a big chunk of the board is resistant to this [TS]

  plan and famous and and then there's public right support for it comes to [TS]

  people who are on the board [TS]

  guys there's a guy named Bill Gates and there's no guy named Steve Ballmer and I [TS]

  think combined bomber in gates control just under 10% of the shares of the [TS]

  company I think gates home including public as well yeah yeah and so you know [TS]

  obviously their board seats are I think more influential than others because [TS]

  they you know they actually control stock to only thing I can think of is [TS]

  that there's some you know that thinks that by leaking this and public there's [TS]

  a big chunk of other shareholders who agree that that's a good way to go [TS]

  that's the way to do it right and that you know that they can put pressure on [TS]

  the board to hire someone who's going to go in that direction so I where they [TS]

  make the decision as it but so much my thought my thought is that you can see [TS]

  the board is sort of against going another way and he wants the job enough [TS]

  and thinks that by going public with it he can shift the board's thinking he's [TS]

  only got a shot at the only way I can it makes any sense to me also I was you [TS]

  mention this to me and I looked at this and I don't know too much about him so I [TS]

  have you looked at his Wikipedia page let let me read you like three sentences [TS]

  of the the opening paragraph of Stephen Elop Wikipedia page during the three [TS]

  years [TS]

  Elop was nokia CEO Nokia revenues fell 40% [TS]

  Nokia profits fell 95 percent Nokia marketshare collapsed in smartphones [TS]

  from 34% to 3.4% Nokia's credit rating went from a to junk Nokia's share prices [TS]

  dropped sixty percent in value and Nokia's market cap lost thirteen billion [TS]

  dollars in value the Financial Times calculated that Nokia shareholders ended [TS]

  up paying a lot of owners of one million euros for every 1.5 billion in market [TS]

  cap that he was able to destroy while nokia CEO I mean that's just brutal it's [TS]

  pretty brutal it's a good way to put it I mean it seems to have been written by [TS]

  someone with it a bit of a point of view but not necessarily an accurate I almost [TS]

  feel like it's to Wikipedia is detriment that they like those are all statements [TS]

  of fact right right but they are put together in a persuasive way that I feel [TS]

  like Nokia [TS]

  that Wikipedia sometimes tries to avoid right they want to have that neutral [TS]

  yeah they don't want to be saying he's good or bad but this is clear it's a [TS]

  good for Nokia you know if it's somebody else's said in us- politics at the facts [TS]

  tend to have a liberal bias bright red [TS]

  you could say he backs seem to have an anti Stephen Elop anti-gay bias absolute [TS]

  yeah that's it doesn't really seem like a good way to get an upgrade to a bigger [TS]

  that CEO job at a beer company know he might want to have someone sanitizers [TS]

  Wikipedia page it possible that these people leak inform you can have somebody [TS]

  had it as Wikipedia [TS]

  you know and who know and I know it i mean this is not just conspiracy this is [TS]

  a conspiracy of it I believe would be amount of some sort of securities fraud [TS]

  although who knows [TS]

  obviously international internet know what jurisdiction it would fall under [TS]

  the country there in Finland Finland yeah is the allegation that because he [TS]

  came from Microsoft right he was out he was out Microsoft before he went to be [TS]

  the CEO of Nokia and Nokia went there and existing I just saw somebody on [TS]

  Twitter the other day I was in an ad reply exchange of the couple people on [TS]

  they said something we know somebody had said something about that just seems [TS]

  like more and more that was a mistake for Nokia Windows Phone what we do go it [TS]

  still couldn't otherwise it'd be on Symbian know they had a thing called me [TS]

  go and they've been released one phone with it they had an intimate look kind [TS]

  of interesting I mean it was ok with it [TS]

  future looking platform Symbian was there all platforms and their MeeGo [TS]

  platform was their potential competitor to Android and iOS and who knows maybe [TS]

  would have been even worse but it was definitely not just like a slap a paint [TS]

  on Symbian it was all knew it was a truly new system so that you know that [TS]

  would have been the alternative but he came in and said no we're not doing [TS]

  Symbian we're not doing what we're doing Windows Phone the allegation Noah guess [TS]

  is the conspiracy allegations that he effectively never stopped working for [TS]

  Microsoft and that his job was to do his job is to do what he did which is drive [TS]

  their market cap down so that when Microsoft bought them it would be [TS]

  cheaper I mean I don't even know is that a crime and I don't know I don't know [TS]

  what you would get convicted of four that tho I don't know and the other [TS]

  thing too that was so funny was with it came out was the severance pay severance [TS]

  package but like the he got a huge bonus that he would rain that was talking [TS]

  about was he got nineteen million euro bonus as the company was getting sold to [TS]

  Microsoft for pennies right and it's all written in his contract so like if [TS]

  you're the board and Nokia when you hired him when his lawyers come to you [TS]

  with his contract says he would like to get a twenty million dollar bonus if he [TS]

  drives this [TS]

  the captain nothin and revenue shrivel up such that the company needs to sell [TS]

  the hand say let's just say the handset business to write Microsoft revenue and [TS]

  cash were down in the need to sell the handset business whether he would like a [TS]

  twenty million dollar bonus in that situation and they they obviously said [TS]

  sure I don't understand it I just know enough about it to laugh about it right [TS]

  but there is a case that you could argue that if there was some kind of wink wink [TS]

  nudge nudge you know hey here's what I think I'll do if I get this new kid that [TS]

  you could see how maybe at Microsoft they do think that he did a good job [TS]

  right he was successful in in tearing that company part of pride in the fact [TS]

  that they're even considering him for the CEO gig lend credence to that [TS]

  because otherwise why you know if that's his record with his record absolutely [TS]

  you know what's his pizza I really hope to do the same Microsoft that I did when [TS]

  I think my track record speaks for a job right right absolutely I'll have [TS]

  Microsoft sold the Google with new career is for pennies on the dollar win [TS]

  again and I would like a huge bonus when I mean what so Eva prediction on this [TS]

  was the next CEO gonna be I think it's gonna be the guy from Fort I really do [TS]

  just because of who's leaked it you know that it's I think it was the wall street [TS]

  journal and I you know doesn't make any sense to me i mean but I don't know the [TS]

  guy and I don't want to say that just because his primary experience is the [TS]

  CEO of food [TS]

  ford motor company that it means he couldn't be a good CEO of Microsoft but [TS]

  you know and I don't know enough about him to say but it just doesn't seem to [TS]

  me that a guy who [TS]

  and forward good at anything that Microsoft needs right well yeah I mean [TS]

  the you don't see great tech CEOs come out of the automotive industry I don't [TS]

  know if there is any precedent for that [TS]

  yeah I just really think that the CEO of the company that that in the consumer [TS]

  space at all and Microsoft wants to be [TS]

  you have to have some ability to judge Steve Jobs wasn't a designer he couldn't [TS]

  you know sit down and designed examiners the famous story redesign the calculator [TS]

  app but that wasn't as you know where he came from he was a judge of design now [TS]

  and I know can Tim Cook doesn't do the same thing the jobs did but Tim Cook I [TS]

  do think he you know he had decades of experience at Apple building these [TS]

  devices you know he's very you know intimately familiar with what what an [TS]

  Apple device and services right as you brought in somebody from Larry Page [TS]

  Larry Page is a great example mean the guy you know literally was one of two [TS]

  people who started Google I mean he did you know say what you want about what [TS]

  Google's done and and how Larry Page has changed Google was been CEO but he [TS]

  clearly understands cool you know I couldn't argue otherwise I just don't [TS]

  see how a guy from Ford really understands Microsoft but I could be [TS]

  wrong but I do I think that's what's going to be okay what's his name [TS]

  Mulally or something like that yeah I saw that but I gotta catch the name is [TS]

  he is he leaving the Vegas odds right now ford's Alan Mulally that's who I [TS]

  think I think of Vegas posted odds on it I think it would be somebody had [TS]

  somebody at odds on this didn't have few months ago somebody was somebody was [TS]

  posted on human Axios gonna be in somebody will take your money on that [TS]

  bed John here so Reuters hadn't exclusives just google Ennis Reuters had [TS]

  an exclusive four days ago that they've narrowed the list too [TS]

  three internal candidates including former Skype CEO Tony Bates I guess he [TS]

  promises to build to bring escapes user interface clarity tell Jesus that's in [TS]

  the article I made that Ford CEO Alan Mulally nokia CEO Stephen Elop Skype CEO [TS]

  Tony Bates so I guess he's he's in Microsoft right now response today when [TS]

  they acquired them he got some executive vice president a position and another [TS]

  one satya open pronouncing 2010 and last name is easier Nadella ok but I'm not [TS]

  sure if that's gonna get a two-man seems like it's pretty safe bet [TS]

  unfortunately yeah but anyway Satya Nadella is right now Microsoft's cloud [TS]

  and enterprise chief [TS]

  right okay so those are the four according to Reuters alright but you're [TS]

  gonna go put your money in Vegas we'll see I hope it is though it's a good I i [TS]

  don't you know I would like to see microsoft also I can I don't know why [TS]

  worries is somehow a poison pill in human form [TS]

  yeah like that his only actual ability is the ability to further his own career [TS]

  and just and teardown companies while he does it right you know so I kind of [TS]

  rooting against him cuz i dont want to I wanna c Microsoft come out with some [TS]

  awesome I wanted to be good mothers there's really so you mentioned that the [TS]

  mail route guys wanted to make it clear that they did not work in Microsoft that [TS]

  rivalry really does not exist anymore no I mean Windows Phone is interesting and [TS]

  it doesn't seem like it's ever going to take off and I don't have much money [TS]

  they can throw at it a lot but it hasn't worked so far no but I mean where it [TS]

  that rivalry just so you know it's not interesting at all anymore [TS]

  somebody a good tweet today so sorry just remember the tweet but I remember [TS]

  who was time to get up there [TS]

  they're just you could see how they're confused because on the one hand they're [TS]

  competing against a pretty good OS and they were just talked about mobile which [TS]

  is Android their target competing against Android which is pretty good and [TS]

  totally free and free to anyone who wants it and on the other side they're [TS]

  competing against a company that builds the whole stack hardware software [TS]

  integrates it all and so you can see how they're confused and and seemed to be [TS]

  trying to do something in between those two i mean they should be the Google in [TS]

  this scenario right I would think so here's that I think though I think that [TS]

  the thing that tweet missus where if every 10 ditto if you listen to the show [TS]

  but I apologize for my money but I think the promise that the problem with [TS]

  Android from Microsoft prospective isn't even that it's pretty good [TS]

  the problem with it is that it's exactly what the customer wants and the [TS]

  customers not the consumer the customer is carriers to carriers and companies [TS]

  like Samsung where they get to do whatever the hell they want right that's [TS]

  the group that's the big thing with Android that is so appealing to them you [TS]

  want to put your own crap where I go ahead with it wasn't didn't maybe you [TS]

  had this like I i know i thot somewhere with it [TS]

  Microsoft is making an effort ton of money on Android you can say that word [TS]

  ok they're making a fuck ton of money on Android [TS]

  the patents that they own right somebody's and analysts said that it [TS]

  would be two billion dollars a year right i mean that's a lot of money [TS]

  especially like I don't know what Windows I mean it's not a huge amount of [TS]

  money in the scheme of this but I wrote to it take it with your usual grain of [TS]

  salt that some analysts at it I've never asked the guy but you can make it so [TS]

  let's say somebody else I've heard that the figure is $5 of phone and I i an and [TS]

  you know that's a lot of money when you're talking about you know the more [TS]

  price-sensitive platform and and for no work and it's and it's also not every [TS]

  Android phone so like the ones that are sold in China yet good luck getting [TS]

  licenses on and it's clearly a lot but you know how do you get so error 400 [TS]

  million Android phones sold in the West deep and respecting countries are now [TS]

  that sounds like too many hundred million sounds too many and you have to [TS]

  admit fight if if it is $5 of fun that's a number that's a high number to pay [TS]

  licensing fees for know about no work but when I'm in the works done up front [TS]

  they're not doing any continuing work right they're not even licensing code [TS]

  they're just licensing the right to have code that does these things are like [TS]

  whatever it is a lot of money to pay licensing for the company they didn't do [TS]

  any the programming right and it would have to be if it is $5 a phone which i [TS]

  think is a lot there would have to be four hundred million devices a year to [TS]

  be two billion and multiply now that's right so I don't know why I say take it [TS]

  with a grain of salt maybe it's less but if it's $5 a phone it could be 200 [TS]

  million devices right i mean that sounds reasonable [TS]

  the real point is they're making money off something that even if Android [TS]

  succeeds there somehow being brought along with it in a way that it is very [TS]

  strange as far as a platform rivalry goes right and I would think that that [TS]

  might be you know that may be one of the things to where you enter into that [TS]

  whole shipped vs sold debate that maybe they get their licensing fees no matter [TS]

  what you like if I shipped from vs old yeah you know I like companies that have [TS]

  had to take writedowns you know on exist you know on unsold devices and stuff and [TS]

  you know that if you had the license thing that you may have to pay that when [TS]

  you make the device right so I don't know it is kind of set and I do think [TS]

  you know I think there's definitely an argument to be made that whatever the [TS]

  figure is for Microsoft's Android patent royalties profits in that is greater [TS]

  than the Windows Phone profits because they're probably losing money on Windows [TS]

  from there have to be however popular is their advertising it more than [TS]

  that right and they're clearly willing to do that for a couple of years while [TS]

  they try and make it a viable platform right so that Android is profitable for [TS]

  Microsoft to some degree maybe it's not two billion here but it's you know must [TS]

  be in the hundreds of millions and Windows Phone is lost sir right so I [TS]

  don't know maybe you know maybe the Elop argument you know I'm not even said I [TS]

  didn't even get into that like weather actually think that's a good plan right [TS]

  about the leaks and I won't I loved was and you mentioned it was the Microsoft [TS]

  response to it [TS]

  oh that's alright this is right up your alley you should read that read it I [TS]

  don't have a ride from up this week thank you I can't believe I almost let [TS]

  the show and i was i was gonna say I can't believe you you nearly missed this [TS]

  year ago yeah I got it so it is Frank Shaw whose a Microsoft spokesman he said [TS]

  in response to the Bloomberg article that supposedly reference these three [TS]

  sources who none of whom were alot but who knows who they were you said we [TS]

  appreciate Bloomberg's float foray into fiction and look forward to future [TS]

  episodes I love Frank shot maybe I should shun the talk show he and it's [TS]

  only ham saying he is the only PR person in Microsoft but he's the guy who when [TS]

  the press calls that he almost always the spokesperson I C and he just lets it [TS]

  fly he answers the phone and he gives a real answer yeah he gives a real answer [TS]

  and no other company of that size does that certain Apple AAPL in my mind I [TS]

  don't know that Apple has any spokespeople I don't tell them that [TS]

  existed apple cos it's always declined comment [TS]

  Apple has how I guess they don't have spots are people they have a ton of PR [TS]

  people and they never respond to anything good job in the world right I [TS]

  don't know that I've ever seen a story that Apple has responded responded yes [TS]

  I feel like maybe there's a couple of cases I'm trying to think I know trudy [TS]

  it it's it's like an antennagate kind of scenario where they have to say [TS]

  something they cannot just sit there are not say anything [TS]

  also the time like like this story that we were talking about at the at the top [TS]

  of the show they didn't respond to that they're not gonna say anything about [TS]

  that right and when they do respond it is you know there's that hid things I [TS]

  think that they they they give some kind of response to the allegation when those [TS]

  jokers came out with the if you get a 1200 dpi fingerprint [TS]

  phenomenally high quality right and you know you have the expertise to take that [TS]

  and printed on special laser printer jury rigged to use extra toner and then [TS]

  imprinted onto a piece of silicon and then used that you can then unlock the [TS]

  phone saying that that's an interesting in that it it's cool that somebody [TS]

  showed that you could do it in a row somebody who's a professional at faking [TS]

  fingerprints which I'm sure is a real security issue could that would fake a [TS]

  touch I D sensor the issue is is that actually easier than learning somebody's [TS]

  four-digit passcode but anyway I do think that somebody at Apple gave a [TS]

  statement on that but the statement was just such ideas designed for the [TS]

  security and convenience of iPhone customers right it was boring yeah it's [TS]

  nothing it's nothing statement whereas Frank Shaw will get out there and say [TS]

  that's freakin ridiculous but he's gonna do that or you know that sounds like a [TS]

  great plot point for the next oceans 14 right right you know in the meantime in [TS]

  the real world you know we've made phones more secure right love a guy he'd [TS]

  see also let it fly on Twitter too and it's not like just under 20 it's under [TS]

  his own name [TS]

  it's like Frank shaw's Twitter handle any and that's cool too he's giving it a [TS]

  cool middle middle initial yeah yeah I mean almost everybody should have axes [TS]

  middle initial why did you lose a little of the cache 800 I not everybody should [TS]

  I would say everybody would sound cooler [TS]

  Paul acts crosses and how it's sweet that is pretty sweet it it's it's kind [TS]

  of a mouthful to say but it would look cool right right John Jackson John X [TS]

  grouper good it's a good one [TS]

  yeah frank shock let it fly nobody does PR like Frank show I want to see what I [TS]

  mean its own you know like lake is that gonna be an issue when the new CEO comes [TS]

  in as new CEO gonna be like with this case like how they clearly bomber [TS]

  supports it and that's I almost doesn't surprise me you know 'cause bombers a [TS]

  little abominable slipped maybe maybe fracture that should be the new Zea you [TS]

  know what maybe he should I don't know anything about his business expertise [TS]

  but he knows how to pitch a quote so far what I had I had one more story and we [TS]

  can you can tell Caleb to cut it before this if you want but this was not what [TS]

  you said a bunch of stuff to me I had one for you [TS]

  the Twitter IPO happened this past week alright not terribly interesting to me [TS]

  as as a technologist or anything like that but did you see who rang the [TS]

  opening bell for them at No [TS]

  so it was you who was then I'll tell your story heard from somebody I know it [TS]

  whether it was Patrick Stewart who is a fairly prominent Twitter user [TS]

  Patrick Stewart I'm sorry I didn't mean to you know I don't go for the SIR [TS]

  nonsense I'm an American alright Patrick Stewart then why was he spoke at an even [TS]

  now as Captain Picard get your ID card there we go [TS]

  the card the woman who runs the Boston Police Department's Twitter stream I [TS]

  don't have her name but it was you know another prominent Twitter user [TS]

  especially in the wake of what happened you know six months ago in Boston and a [TS]

  nine year old girl who has done used Twitter to raise a whole lot of money [TS]

  for charity [TS]

  ending human trafficking so basically you know prominent and useful Twitter [TS]

  users basically and that's who they had you know the the founder of the company [TS]

  to Costello and Jack Dorsey in homes were all there but they were not the [TS]

  ones ream the actual bell which is a sort of ceremonial role right and so you [TS]

  know it's interesting it and they said you know we wanted to give back to [TS]

  Twitter and show this is this is we respect our users and and whatever but [TS]

  the story that I heard and I i can attribute this at all but it's it's to [TS]

  someone from someone at Twitter was that what they were trying to do was avoid [TS]

  what they call be smiling assholes photo which is the photo that you get of the [TS]

  founders of a company like Groupon or what's the game company Zynga where they [TS]

  rang the bell and it's the founders and they're looking up there and you know [TS]

  whatever their popped collar polo or whatever their wherein and six months [TS]

  down the line all their investors have gotten totally screwed and this photo of [TS]

  them getting super rich still exists and and they just look like smiling axles so [TS]

  I thought it was a pretty good move to you know who is and who knows what can [TS]

  happen to the Twitter stock in six months but at the at the very least [TS]

  there will not be a photo of Jack Dorsey and Evan Williams and a Costello looking [TS]

  ecstatic about the billions of dollars they just made i wouldn't want to ring [TS]

  the bell because they thought or just in general [TS]

  well both I don't know I mean do you think Steve Jobs rang the bell when [TS]

  apple and IBM I just googled Steve Jobs Apple IPO and all that comes up our [TS]

  pictures of Steve Jobs holding an iPod [TS]

  if things you spelled out cause I think their IPO is so long ago that it's you [TS]

  know it was there was in seventy six or eight or so it predates the [TS]

  now now when it was was the nasdaq around back I don't know I know for a [TS]

  while Apple traded on NASDAQ I mean that's what they are on now isn't it [TS]

  are they I don't even know it used to be more of a difference now who even knows [TS]

  I mean I know right you know yet know that they've been on the nasdaq for a [TS]

  long time but I i dont know that existed when they came out [TS]

  the nasdaq is just a whole bunch of computers right yeah I don't know you [TS]

  might be right I don't know maybe they don't I just assumed that they might [TS]

  have been on the New York Stock Exchange originally right right yeah that doesn't [TS]

  seem like you know what I think it must have been a whole deal with the Twitter [TS]

  was going on the New York Stock Exchange trying to avoid the problems the [TS]

  Facebook ad right with with the whole on the nasdaq yeah and thats why nobody [TS]

  rang the bell [TS]

  I thought I see now I thought I did hear something about them so maybe Nasdaq [TS]

  does have a BS ceremonial belt like a guy in a dataset ride rider powering on [TS]

  a computer at the start of China start up the centrist 650 that runs the nasdaq [TS]

  well for Facebook yet it looked like it was I had some about Twitter the IPO I [TS]

  just care about I think I think that's part of what [TS]

  just care about I think I think that's part of what [TS]

  makes during fireball me a lot different than a lot of texas i got really care [TS]

  you know yet did you cover added you mentioned I don't think I you doing to [TS]

  it at all just doesn't matter to me the only put the only aspect of it that I [TS]

  find interesting as a user is that it secures that Twitter is for the near [TS]

  future is gonna remain an independent company that there's nobody who's going [TS]

  to acquire them right they won't get caught up on google or fix that's been [TS]

  clear for a couple of years you know that the IPO to me as a user is really [TS]

  more of a a a cap on the assumption that they're going to remain independent as [TS]

  opposed to selling to Google or Facebook or something like that but it's been [TS]

  clear for at least two years that they were going to stay independent they got [TS]

  and headed towards an IPO greatly during the father funny thing and it you know [TS]

  it's like the who is the beetle that pete best and yet the drummer yeah [TS]

  that's the other thing that i dont wanna rub it in you know just because [TS]

  companies missed out on her own ever but it always seems like yahoo is the right [TS]

  like every single IPO there's a story about how like six years earlier hype [TS]

  Yahoo almost bought Twitter for it was like twelve million dollars they made an [TS]

  offer for ya right and they're like maybe and then like somebody Yahoo is [TS]

  actually go to 49 [TS]

  like it was probably like Williams our decade or so you have you know sitting [TS]

  there like if they go to 14 and then like the phone doesn't ring and Li [TS]

  alright alright we're not back to where the famous one for that is Google right [TS]

  Yahoo tried to buy Google and then and now Google's eat their lunch break and I [TS]

  think the Google offer I could be wrong but it was preposterous lilo compared to [TS]

  work in a fifty million dollars or something but it you know it's like in [TS]

  in the midst of me saying this particular sentence Google is made fifty [TS]

  million trade at this point so it's pretty sad that just seems like it's [TS]

  always Yahoo and hoodia well but that well to be fair that's old Yahoo [TS]

  hopefully Yahoo's I I don't know how you feel about it i hope they do well i i i [TS]

  own a few shares their stock but I hope they do well in the future as it's [TS]

  interesting to have a few competitors out there but that's that's Yahoo from [TS]

  45 years ago [TS]

  well and the other thing too is that my hopes for long-term success of Yahoo [TS]

  would be original products from Yahoo coming not just not just them somehow [TS]

  finding the original things to buy and do well but I mean they bought Flickr [TS]

  right yeah that's what have they done that's original at this point [TS]

  well here's a good example I mean you can't hold it against the current [TS]

  leadership because they've only you know Myers on there for a year but you know [TS]

  there's a good example where clearly what they should have done after they [TS]

  bought Flickr is you know that there never should have been an Instagram [TS]

  you know I am owning Flickr should have made instruments right and the rise of [TS]

  the iPhone and you know it should not have taken been too hard for someone in [TS]

  you know as Twitter was taking off and the iPhone was taking off or 2008 let's [TS]

  say you know when the iPhone was kinda clearly wow this is a thing right to say [TS]

  well quicker should obviously be huge on the iPhone and what's the right format [TS]

  for that [TS]

  you know like Twitter to stream of images from your friends and you know [TS]

  format that's friendly for fun sized screens right and make it easy to take [TS]

  pictures on the phone and send them and in the meantime they spent five years [TS]

  with the design was mentor you know where do you like 2005 right laptop [TS]

  displays and their mobile interface was designed for like flip phones alright [TS]

  that's good we made in our only masturbate 49 minutes [TS]