The Talk Show

60: Anti-Elop Bias


00:00:00   Sao Paulo time you run the show was a very special event i I crashed a party [TS]

00:00:05   for the final live talk show it to you actually not indicted [TS]

00:00:10   backstage and then all of a sudden you you came out I don't know why I bought a [TS]

00:00:14   drink that was that was that was well received and then and then you were [TS]

00:00:19   talking about about just the tip with a me so I crashed a party like it's right [TS]

00:00:24   but she was actually invited to be on the show but this time I'm invited right [TS]

00:00:28   only to leave now you know and I kind of keep your mouth shut i mean you weren't [TS]

00:00:32   really didn't come out there I think about their bladder and just right now [TS]

00:00:36   but in between that was like the second week in June and we're recording right [TS]

00:00:41   now on the 10th of November in between you and my wife Amy and had an entire [TS]

00:00:48   season of podcast they just the tip that's right how many episodes agenda it [TS]

00:00:55   was 15 episodes for season 1 you guys were planning originally just under 10 [TS]

00:01:00   though we were talking between 10 and 13 and then we had an advertiser that was [TS]

00:01:05   interested do a couple more episodes and big sellouts figured out a way to slip [TS]

00:01:11   some large does in which we were out some more material exactly how do you [TS]

00:01:17   think I think I've been pretty happy with it and that's what I get more [TS]

00:01:22   feedback for that the past couple months that I have for the software company [TS]

00:01:26   that i've run for decades [TS]

00:01:27   doesn't make quite as much money it's not really paying my bills but you know [TS]

00:01:33   it's been well received I think people like podcast I'm shocked cuz I hate him [TS]

00:01:38   I don't know how I shouldn't say but I don't listen to him I listen to I listen [TS]

00:01:45   to our podcast over and over again as I'm editing it which is the worst thing [TS]

00:01:48   in the world and I listen to some of the talk show and I was until you look nice [TS]

00:01:53   today which is sadly about to end Trevor isn't it over I thought that it was at [TS]

00:01:59   the thought the one that just came out last week was deluged final episode is [TS]

00:02:02   it really was it was part one but it was not a joke you think I i couldnt even [TS]

00:02:06   had a chance to listen that when you [TS]

00:02:08   I i've been saving associates were going on at sight reading the one David Foster [TS]

00:02:13   Wallace now that you know cuz you know there are going to be anymore and that's [TS]

00:02:19   a dangerous game to play because it's been a couple of years now on David [TS]

00:02:22   Foster Wallace who could die any moment [TS]

00:02:25   exactly and then you know what was the point you know how long do you save [TS]

00:02:31   something like that [TS]

00:02:32   probably not a good idea to say but I felt the same way with you look nice [TS]

00:02:36   today [TS]

00:02:36   you know they are so I don't you know it is you work from home the same way I do [TS]

00:02:42   I don't have a commute and everyone I know who listen to podcasts as like all [TS]

00:02:45   it's the best thing that gets me through the 45 minute hour drive that I have [TS]

00:02:49   never it is and my commute is you know ten steps down from my bed rooms have to [TS]

00:02:55   be a real short podcast right i'd I listen to them [TS]

00:02:58   times if I'm walking and doing errands or something like that through the city [TS]

00:03:02   I'll load up on the iPhone and then I have something to listen to as I walked [TS]

00:03:08   through the city but its I just don't have as much time as you know I don't [TS]

00:03:12   have any computer right was I almost died almost finished last week's talk [TS]

00:03:16   show before we started recording this one so I got like half an hour left on [TS]

00:03:20   that once I'm almost done in London slip I've been letting go way to get off I'm [TS]

00:03:30   just at like 45 minutes understand ago you should just go well and it's funny [TS]

00:03:34   because it gets to the nature of what people do you know when they listen to [TS]

00:03:41   podcasts and for people with let's just say in this is very common especially in [TS]

00:03:46   America that you might have an hour commute each way two hours a day and [TS]

00:03:52   that's 10 hours a week and you know if you have ten hours a week in your car [TS]

00:03:56   and then a two and a half hour to it was almost two and a half hour at this talk [TS]

00:04:01   show if you like hearing me talk and if you like John Siracusa we got so many [TS]

00:04:06   people who are like oh my god I was so happy when I saw Syracuse was on the [TS]

00:04:10   show and then I saw how long it was and I got even [TS]

00:04:12   right but I'm sure there's also an there's also I think a silent on over to [TS]

00:04:18   modularity I don't know I'm sure there's a part of you out there who were like oh [TS]

00:04:22   my god I love the show but come on two hours about some editing and the worst [TS]

00:04:27   part is it was added it so the reel-to-reel recording was like four or [TS]

00:04:31   five hours I don't know but you know and if I had the forethought you know cuz I [TS]

00:04:38   do the sponsor reads while I'm doing the show and I guess what I could do is not [TS]

00:04:43   do that and then if it ends up that a guest is on and we get three feels like [TS]

00:04:48   solid hours I can call that two shows right you know and then just record the [TS]

00:04:53   bits in the sponsor later you know but it would the way that I did the sponsor [TS]

00:04:59   read I couldn't really would have been easy to break it into two up to cut it [TS]

00:05:03   out is that would be great cuz I could just take a week off and try to do [TS]

00:05:08   anything right I'm gonna try and I want to get back down to try to try to do [TS]

00:05:12   this one in an hour [TS]

00:05:14   alright but we had twenty minutes shit to get it flies time flies right now un [TS]

00:05:21   ami tho you on just the tip you guys doctor did I know and beginning you guys [TS]

00:05:26   even I think you even said on air that I was very little more than half an hour [TS]

00:05:31   and we managed to do it it's so in the beginning we recorded and we just talked [TS]

00:05:38   and talked and I had to chop it down and eventually I realized hey I should make [TS]

00:05:42   us have a hard cut off of like 60 minutes and then I'll only have to add [TS]

00:05:45   it thirty minutes out but yeah there is a lot of stuff that we cut out that you [TS]

00:05:50   know maybe was a little bit funny or pretty funny but we really want to hit [TS]

00:05:54   that thirty-minute point so it's it's tough not editing is the way to go if [TS]

00:05:59   you if you can do it [TS]

00:06:00   yeah you and i i i dont have him I showed my friend Sexton doesn't do [TS]

00:06:09   there's a hell of a job but he doesn't really add it added content right for [TS]

00:06:14   the most part I mean he'll call he's great he's he's a long time listener the [TS]

00:06:18   show [TS]

00:06:19   and and gets totally gets what the show if it's good what it is that's good [TS]

00:06:25   about it and he will call it out and he'll ask waco say like if an entire bit [TS]

00:06:29   really bored him he'll suggest taking it out and I i dont think Ive ever [TS]

00:06:34   disagreed ok but for the most part [TS]

00:06:38   whole bit don't get edited out it's you know maybe a bit of stammering and and [TS]

00:06:43   if there's a mistake or something like that right and I think he does a great [TS]

00:06:48   job he does a good job making me sound a lot better but he doesn't edit you know [TS]

00:06:55   like film editing which is I could you and Amy did with just the tip or you [TS]

00:06:58   know it's a pain in the ass i dont recommended but I am I am happy with the [TS]

00:07:03   product we get out of it and I think we were talking about people that like a [TS]

00:07:08   long shower and certainly plenty people do but it's difficult to argue with the [TS]

00:07:11   short showed its hopefully pretty punchy which is and you know I'm sure you know [TS]

00:07:18   people who listen to dozens of podcast condemn others that do it but it's it it [TS]

00:07:22   does lead lend itself to a higher production feel and you know you look [TS]

00:07:29   nice today always did that and they did they always had the nice thing where [TS]

00:07:32   they have the little jingles in between the edited segments which gives it more [TS]

00:07:38   of those transitions right absolutely like I told you I'd listen to almost [TS]

00:07:49   every episode is just the tip I think I don't think so but [TS]

00:07:54   I like the edited nature of it but I did think every once in awhile sometimes the [TS]

00:07:58   transition between segments with abrupt yeah you could end and part of it is you [TS]

00:08:03   know this is the first time I was editing the podcast a part of it was [TS]

00:08:06   just getting used to editing and any other deadly were points where you could [TS]

00:08:09   hear a cut and you know we had my friend Todd who did all these theme song for [TS]

00:08:13   the show and I was thinking about making that idea from you and I say I'm just [TS]

00:08:16   putting my two little musical interlude five seconds between things I might I [TS]

00:08:20   might wind up doing that if I find that I i do what up having those those cuts [TS]

00:08:24   that are really obvious especially now that they're off the air yeah absolutely [TS]

00:08:28   we never want to steal everything John Hodgman to record stuff that was quite a [TS]

00:08:37   way that was one of the most surprising things to me is Amy and I you know just [TS]

00:08:41   you know I don't think frankly she might listen you're on but she listens when [TS]

00:08:48   somebody she likes yeah that's what she said but she didn't really run much by [TS]

00:08:54   me you know I mean I was you know I didn't know much in advance of any given [TS]

00:08:58   week episode until it actually hit you know so I was very surprised the first [TS]

00:09:03   time I heard a theme song and it was good but then the next week when it had [TS]

00:09:08   like all new theme song that was just as good [TS]

00:09:11   it was like bizarre to me because that's like the one of the hardest thing how do [TS]

00:09:16   you get a good theme song very hard to do well so this is my buddy type who's [TS]

00:09:21   shouldn't while I'm on a different shows I think I can I can read about a little [TS]

00:09:25   bit but he's working on his doctorate and when he wants to slack off he just [TS]

00:09:29   settles in GarageBand and since we had about 10 different theme songs he's been [TS]

00:09:34   you know what's the word I want you know just slacking off quite a bit I think [TS]

00:09:38   behave but it was amazing to me though because they were you know pretty good [TS]

00:09:43   yeah we were very happy with them and and certainly we were grateful to have [TS]

00:09:47   this the supplied to us and I was that that was a real gift for you look nice [TS]

00:09:51   today is that US and EU and Sandy make all those I never even got the story or [TS]

00:09:57   those [TS]

00:09:58   John Hodgman recordings [TS]

00:10:00   you know in like music to the music I think he did the music at least yeah we [TS]

00:10:06   should I guess I just always assumed it was him I know Scott doesn't do music [TS]

00:10:11   thing I think maryland's cruise around but he doesn't screw that type of music [TS]

00:10:15   but anyway those jingles they had for the interstitials you know between the [TS]

00:10:19   segments were gave that show such an incredibly polished feel and I thought [TS]

00:10:26   that you guys had sort of the same thing with just the tip games but it was so [TS]

00:10:32   crazy that they were different every time [TS]

00:10:34   yea well so when we got what it was like alright we can use this and then and [TS]

00:10:37   then he gave me like three more and I was like well these are all great and [TS]

00:10:41   none of them are obviously better than the others I might as well as using new [TS]

00:10:44   one every week so do you know there's no brand recognition or anything like that [TS]

00:10:49   gonna get from this but that's alright so that's an extra means like the main [TS]

00:10:53   reason why I love you know from the get go all the way back to the original runs [TS]

00:11:00   this show it dan that we've never had any kind of theme song or anything like [TS]

00:11:04   that cuz my thought is if you can't find one that's great then it better not to [TS]

00:11:08   have any at all and I and too many podcasts I think out there have like the [TS]

00:11:13   equivalent of like muzak like Times New Roman yeah like you've got you know [TS]

00:11:19   Times New Roman in Helvetica on your computer and so you're going to use [TS]

00:11:23   those right you know not bad but like so clearly like just generic that it's it [TS]

00:11:32   doesn't feel real like not there somehow there's like a line you can press put a [TS]

00:11:38   song urging color theme song over that makes it feel real an original and [TS]

00:11:42   there's something else it's just like Generic going from the library of like [TS]

00:11:46   10 podcast theme songs that exists in GarageBand may be exactly like you know [TS]

00:11:50   and just altering it a little bit I get you know the difference between the [TS]

00:11:56   original blog design and just using a template right now that's bad like like [TS]

00:12:02   one of the default WordPress templates which isn't bad necessarily right and [TS]

00:12:06   you know a lot of those [TS]

00:12:07   you know it's it's like the ante has been raised so high in template design [TS]

00:12:13   you know they the default WordPress templates if you do like a fresh install [TS]

00:12:16   they're actually pretty good and Squarespace in those guys all have [TS]

00:12:21   really good 10 minutes [TS]

00:12:24   tumblr you know when you sign up for temporary use some really good templates [TS]

00:12:28   to choose from now but they're still you know they're not original right and and [TS]

00:12:32   a hundred other sites are gonna have that same one I was so I always thought [TS]

00:12:36   you know why not just have none if you know about a wooden none template look [TS]

00:12:42   like well I don't know like dance are white page [TS]

00:12:46   well thats I mean you style bad like you created that style but it's closer to [TS]

00:12:52   nine then to WordPress tumblr I guess what you would be the equivalent would [TS]

00:12:58   be maybe the equivalent of having a blog that doesn't have a logo ok something [TS]

00:13:04   like that yeah I give you can't have a good logo don't have any local instead [TS]

00:13:09   of a bad luck I might be overthinking it now you take a break and we're going to [TS]

00:13:21   get this done an hour and see if we can do this [TS]

00:13:24   gonna take a break for our first sponsor am very very happy about this brand new [TS]

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00:17:34   news this week [TS]

00:17:35   couple things that jumped out at me what we got [TS]

00:17:40   III said what's your name the woman from the New York Times wrote this she's an [TS]

00:17:47   economics reporter I just read over this and now I don't remember the name either [TS]

00:17:52   she wrote a piece in their Sunday magazine a week ago Catherine rampell [TS]

00:17:57   alleging [TS]

00:18:02   pretty much flat out alleging has no real maybe to it alleging that Apple [TS]

00:18:09   like booby traps their iPhones so that when new models come out it instantly [TS]

00:18:15   knows and starts slowing down and write your old phone starter battery the [TS]

00:18:20   battery doesn't last as long and it when it when she wrote the first piece I [TS]

00:18:27   linked to a rebuttal in of all places Gizmodo and I wrote something to the [TS]

00:18:31   effect of you know catcher Jason dogs here's here's ginsberg common sense [TS]

00:18:37   coming from Gizmodo two straight times to straighten out nonsense in the New [TS]

00:18:42   York Times hell is going on in the world do but in the meantime since she's like [TS]

00:18:48   double down on the she has like follow up post on economics blog at the new [TS]

00:18:54   york times where she reiterated some of the stuff and explain some of the [TS]

00:18:59   contention she had made right she was on CNN there is a segment on CNN headline [TS]

00:19:06   news is I got a real CNN it was a conspiracy right is there an Apple [TS]

00:19:17   conspiracy or something and it's whose whose laws it with headlines that [TS]

00:19:21   whatever if you have a question mark headline it and it can just be answered [TS]

00:19:24   with yes or no better just law right that's right the answer is always no [TS]

00:19:28   that was the thing is the headline on her original piece which you can still [TS]

00:19:34   see in the in the slug in the URL was it something like why Apple wants to bust [TS]

00:19:40   your iPhone and then they changed the headline to you know something [TS]

00:19:44   wishy-washy like the Apple trapper something who was it I was talking about [TS]

00:19:49   that was somebody was a damn from her I think it was down from her like a week [TS]

00:19:53   or two [TS]

00:19:53   ago on this show part 2 weeks ago was only about one so many seats en ESAs you [TS]

00:19:59   can see an original headline that got toned down right subsequent Bloomberg [TS]

00:20:05   does it all the time Bloomberg it seems like they really don't put out like a [TS]

00:20:08   real punchy headline for five minutes and then somebody will be like whoa whoa [TS]

00:20:12   whoa that's what you get any URL right and at a certain point do you think it's [TS]

00:20:17   intentional and they you know tone it down after the fact [TS]

00:20:21   after they've gotten some of the the links that they wanted in the first [TS]

00:20:23   place [TS]

00:20:24   no I don't think so I think it's more that the pressure to publish fast and [TS]

00:20:29   you know it means that the oversight that would happen before you know it [TS]

00:20:36   comes after the fact they say I'll be sure to turn that down in the first [TS]

00:20:39   place right like like in the old days before the web [TS]

00:20:45   go back to 1988 you know that if she wrote the same article for The New York [TS]

00:20:49   Times Magazine at some point before they actually put the magazine to press [TS]

00:20:55   somebody would have looked some conservative copy editor would have [TS]

00:20:58   looked at the headline said hey we got it you know this is whereas now it's [TS]

00:21:04   like four o'clock she's done for 15 it's gone through copyediting 428 gets [TS]

00:21:11   published in like maybe four forty somebody else looks at a headline you [TS]

00:21:16   know it's already been published you know you know and I do it I certainly [TS]

00:21:20   it's you know it's stupid to pretend that the web is print in that once [TS]

00:21:25   you've hit published you know it's sacrosanct he can't correct anything or [TS]

00:21:29   or you know change it or whatever I mean if you changed significantly they did [TS]

00:21:33   you should market yeah almost as a courtesy not like as self-flagellation [TS]

00:21:38   but almost as a courtesy to readers who may be read the original version and [TS]

00:21:43   they're like crazy crazy you know just you know if you've already seen it now [TS]

00:21:47   this is what it used to say it but this didn't sit right with me and it hasn't [TS]

00:21:54   the whole the whole basis of her argument and it's it's a little bit more [TS]

00:22:02   than just a veneer Times wrote something [TS]

00:22:05   really almost slanderous about Apple and I think I think what it is is it just [TS]

00:22:13   didn't occur to me at first is that it's not just that it's wrong but that I [TS]

00:22:17   think it's actually completely opposite I i think that in consumer electronics [TS]

00:22:23   say what you want you know you know there's all sorts of ways to be cynical [TS]

00:22:28   about Apple but I think overall even if you're not a fan of their products even [TS]

00:22:32   if you're an Android person or Windows users or you know pick pick any other [TS]

00:22:38   competing platforms I really do think it's fair to say that Apple takes care [TS]

00:22:42   of existing customers and older devices better than anybody else while I really [TS]

00:22:48   like it [TS]

00:22:49   look at Android you know look at how many devices never get an update or you [TS]

00:22:55   know six months after their release they're considered out of date and don't [TS]

00:22:58   get a new version of the operating system right brand and is that better [TS]

00:23:03   right and look at the Nexus itself which is the one from Google which is the full [TS]

00:23:09   Google experience and which they control the software updates to one of the [TS]

00:23:14   biggest parts of the Nexus hardware line isn't just that you get the you don't [TS]

00:23:20   have any carrier add-on crowd you can do it's also that you get your updates [TS]

00:23:25   direct from Google Apple style right and so with my android four point four words [TS]

00:23:31   just came out like 10 days ago it it's only available for two models of phones [TS]

00:23:37   the brand new one and the Nexus for the two models back Galaxy Nexus which was [TS]

00:23:43   still being sold it in the beginning of calendar 2013 as like a discounted [TS]

00:23:49   access right and it's only two years old [TS]

00:23:52   period if you bought it on day one already has been cut off from Google's [TS]

00:23:57   own OS read and in day saves you know their explanation is that you know it [TS]

00:24:04   uses a Texas Instruments chipset that Texas instrum you know Texas insurances [TS]

00:24:08   sense in the interim two years [TS]

00:24:11   stopped [TS]

00:24:12   updating whatever but that doesn't make any sense of doesn't make any sense to [TS]

00:24:16   the customer who bought 12 years ago right that's the thing that really [TS]

00:24:19   matters as a user if you think you know I got this sometimes even this year [TS]

00:24:23   you're saying and suddenly it's out of date that there's no there's no [TS]

00:24:27   explanation that's gonna make you think ok that makes it right and so I really [TS]

00:24:31   feel like it's it's just like what makes it so pernicious is that it really is [TS]

00:24:38   actually the opposite of you know what's good about Apple so here's another [TS]

00:24:43   example I know she's talking about phones but look at maverick maverick [TS]

00:24:48   Mavericks is a free upgrade means that are as old as six years old [TS]

00:24:54   yeah I don't think it's every device from every Mac from 2007 but there are [TS]

00:25:00   some of the max from 2007 are eligible for Mavericks and the only reason they [TS]

00:25:07   drew the line there is that you know it's not out of spite like we want you [TS]

00:25:12   to buy a new Mac if you're still using a 2006 one but you know that that's the [TS]

00:25:16   line where I think Apple thinks no Mavericks would if we made it work it [TS]

00:25:20   would be worse right well so if anything i mean there has been reports there have [TS]

00:25:25   been reports in the past [TS]

00:25:26   of phones getting more sluggish when they updated to the new OS right you've [TS]

00:25:30   heard this absolutely absurd and I don't i i don't doubt it either right i mean [TS]

00:25:35   you're running new home new software on all hardware and the software was built [TS]

00:25:39   for the new hardware that is now come out so potentially you know it would [TS]

00:25:43   make sense that this would not work as well as the new devices obviously but [TS]

00:25:46   even as well as the old software running on the device but if they're guilty of [TS]

00:25:51   something it's you know not cutting things off when they should it's not an [TS]

00:25:55   issue of them you know maliciously trying to make your phone lousy so [TS]

00:26:00   you'll go buy a new one i dont I think of all the guests you have on your show [TS]

00:26:06   I might have sort of the most complicated relationship with Apple [TS]

00:26:10   certainly I think that's actually very true I mean we've we as a company has [TS]

00:26:15   had multiple issues with the with Apple in their app stores and you know [TS]

00:26:18   anything when you do into but as as even as an individual as a user of a [TS]

00:26:23   complicated relationship with [TS]

00:26:25   the products I love their products I hate some of their policies but I can't [TS]

00:26:28   look at this and think like yup they're really trying to screw people over with [TS]

00:26:31   their iPhone 4 and make them buy a new phone it just doesn't it doesn't read to [TS]

00:26:37   me it doesn't scan as as realistic right and I know that there are people out [TS]

00:26:45   there who had that's an iPhone 4 even for us and then they upgraded to iOS 7 [TS]

00:26:50   and the phone really got slow and battery with seven point oh oh right [TS]

00:26:57   cause there was some rest was addressed with some of the updates right but it's [TS]

00:27:02   definitely not the case in fact I've tested it just adds in the last week I [TS]

00:27:07   like actually cause I keep all my old iPhones actually fired up my old iPhone [TS]

00:27:11   4 and I didn't even fresh install it [TS]

00:27:14   Jonas had been using it for a year or more as his you know gaming device so [TS]

00:27:20   without wiping anything out a device that he had used you know after I fresh [TS]

00:27:25   reinstall are wiped it whatever you wanna call it but they he'd used for at [TS]

00:27:30   least a solid year I just did the ok software update is available [TS]

00:27:37   drop it on there did you know just like a regular consumer would ok I'll allow [TS]

00:27:41   it you know is it as snappy as my iPhone 5s know but it was absolutely usable you [TS]

00:27:50   know is it not quite as snappy as iOS 5 which is what was where he was upgrading [TS]

00:27:56   from maybe in some ways some of the animations but overall no I think it's [TS]

00:28:02   fine and I think there are things like Safari which Apple has continued like [TS]

00:28:06   the WebKit insofar as continued to improve like it it's faster than it used [TS]

00:28:12   to be you know JavaScript is faster so you have you have some experience having [TS]

00:28:17   tested this yourself I can't I shouldn't say that I've tested this and you know i [TS]

00:28:21   i didnt experience this but all I've heard and what her article started out [TS]

00:28:25   with was anecdotal evidence right and it was nobody had any facts nobody had any [TS]

00:28:30   no facts exactly and and so the whole the whole story which [TS]

00:28:33   blew up on me not to the extent of like antennagate or anything like that but it [TS]

00:28:38   blew up to the point where you know other news institutions were covering [TS]

00:28:42   this and taking it seriously the whole thing was based on a predicated on you [TS]

00:28:47   know my phones a little slower than it used to be I think yeah and so here's [TS]

00:28:57   where I think the fact that it's the new york times makes it worse is that the [TS]

00:29:01   New York Times is still the new york times when something's in the new york [TS]

00:29:05   times its it has more gravity read more weight yeah so here's an article from [TS]

00:29:12   Inc Magazine which is still around but I N C dot com Inc Erik Sherman has an [TS]

00:29:18   article from sometime in the last week [TS]

00:29:21   headline planned obsolescence question mark that trick only works at Apple AAPL [TS]

00:29:26   is worth emulating in many ways but not when it comes to how the company [TS]

00:29:29   intentionally limits the lifespan of its products and it was was this a response [TS]

00:29:36   to her wells here to read the beginning the notion of planned obsolescence of [TS]

00:29:40   the practice of designing products that they have a limited effect of life span [TS]

00:29:43   may seem like some smart practical economics to some and at times that is [TS]

00:29:48   true but for entrepreneurs do deliberately limiting the life of [TS]

00:29:52   products and services is a bad mistake when Iowa seven came whistling down the [TS]

00:29:57   datapipe to older model I found it must have first seemed like an early holiday [TS]

00:30:02   present no cost and all sorts of new goodies but is Catherine rampell wrote [TS]

00:30:07   in The New York Times good news turned a bad as her iPhone 4 became quote a lot [TS]

00:30:11   more sluggish and then it's a quote from her article know everybody just have it [TS]

00:30:16   is the way that he starts it is look if the New York Times says it makes your [TS]

00:30:20   iPhone 4 slow then it makes your iPhone 4 slow and they did it on purpose of the [TS]

00:30:24   people of great because the New York Times said this right and I really do [TS]

00:30:29   think that makes it worse here they give me an idea for an article and I know who [TS]

00:30:33   could do it would have to be somebody like the verge or Engadget one of those [TS]

00:30:39   outfits where they have a staff of people including [TS]

00:30:42   you know staff members who use Android devices full time because one thing we [TS]

00:30:49   know is that you know the batteries that are in these devices definitely get [TS]

00:30:52   worse at the more you use you know you know it's like a year old device that's [TS]

00:30:57   been charged 300 times is not going to have the battery life that it didn't [TS]

00:31:01   brand new battery that was that was one of the most galling things about this [TS]

00:31:06   was it was talking about the batteries and it it was like you know should they [TS]

00:31:10   put in a better battery didn't get that battery doesn't exist [TS]

00:31:14   hey they're exactly the best battery they can and as much of that battery as [TS]

00:31:19   they can because they know everyone wants battery life if anything you know [TS]

00:31:23   that's the one thing that they're absolutely not doing right one of the [TS]

00:31:26   exactly what other proposals should Apple be putting in a battery that [TS]

00:31:30   doesn't lose any capacity at its like no because it doesn't exist should somebody [TS]

00:31:36   invent that battery yes absolutely sure Apple would love to talk to you if [TS]

00:31:41   you've invented such a battery I'll bet you can get a very nice check out if you [TS]

00:31:47   can invent a battery that doesn't lose capacity I'm also sure though that if [TS]

00:31:52   you invented such a battery I'm sure there are some physics departments [TS]

00:31:56   around the country they love to talk to you would like a call from Sweden after [TS]

00:32:00   that one because there's you know there's certain laws of thermodynamics [TS]

00:32:07   of what you want but you know there's a conservation there's a reason why [TS]

00:32:11   batteries lose power or used right its physics so sorry I cut you off without [TS]

00:32:19   talking about the battery but that was that stuck out to me so much but I would [TS]

00:32:22   love to see III you know my biased maybe but I would bet money though that a year [TS]

00:32:27   old iPhone that's been used for target like a review unit but like you know [TS]

00:32:33   like I could volunteer my your old iPhone 5 run it through the same battery [TS]

00:32:39   test that you do when you were testing the brand new devices and see what the [TS]

00:32:44   differences you know does a year old Samsung Galaxy hold up as well you know [TS]

00:32:49   not just one that's been sitting on a shelf but I'm saying one that liked [TS]

00:32:53   you know nerd techno real-world usage absolutely is used for a year [TS]

00:32:58   what's the battery life 10 you know i i would I feel pretty good I would I would [TS]

00:33:04   wager a wee bit of money that Apple devices percentage wise hold up better [TS]

00:33:09   than most and least as good I would be shocked if it was worse it's certainly [TS]

00:33:15   not something where it's gonna be worse exactly right there I would be [TS]

00:33:20   flabbergasted if Apple devices lost more capacity over the same amount of usage [TS]

00:33:26   as others I would guess that if anything might be better right but the articles [TS]

00:33:32   make it sound as though it's only Apple right right and yeah really pin this on [TS]

00:33:36   them and and made it sound like they're putting in terrible batteries and [TS]

00:33:41   they're rushing in [TS]

00:33:42   out software updates that will hurt your phone and the whole thing the whole [TS]

00:33:45   thing was like I said predicated on these you know personal experience that [TS]

00:33:50   may or may not even be true and didn't have any factual basis or you know any [TS]

00:33:55   facts backing up and then the one last thing that really bothers me about this [TS]

00:33:59   whole narrative is that to me it's also predicated on a very sort of [TS]

00:34:05   longstanding they call it The Cult of Mac theory the idea that you know I know [TS]

00:34:17   there's a website called The Cult of Mac I'll be dead people have called it a [TS]

00:34:20   cold and rainy and mortars always been [TS]

00:34:22   guys call it out i mean the strong you're talking about the straw man [TS]

00:34:29   argument of where Apple fans will defend anything and will buy anything right [TS]

00:34:34   right no matter what album comes out with them [TS]

00:34:36   and I think that really plays into this because thats this you know like just [TS]

00:34:41   look at this headline in a planned obsolescence that trick only works at [TS]

00:34:44   Apple cause I think about what they're saying what they're saying is [TS]

00:34:49   including Catherine rampell of the times they're saying okay you've got a two [TS]

00:34:53   year old phone that you weren't necessarily thinking iPhone that you [TS]

00:34:56   weren't necessarily thinking about replacing that a software update came [TS]

00:35:00   down and you said ok install it and now your phone [TS]

00:35:05   worst battery life and worst performance and they're saying well then of course [TS]

00:35:10   your gonna go buy a new iPhone it wouldn't the rational person se bebe at [TS]

00:35:15   that moment less likely to buy another iPhone then something else [TS]

00:35:19   absolute one and she's so far so she's an economics reporter she's not actually [TS]

00:35:24   technology reporter and and she did touch on this a little bit so there was [TS]

00:35:28   a little bit of interesting discussion on you know what it actually makes sense [TS]

00:35:31   to do this and it was saying you know if you have a monopoly and you're the only [TS]

00:35:36   ones making a smartphone then you should do this because people are just gonna [TS]

00:35:39   buy your new device but as you said there's competition out there that's you [TS]

00:35:43   know decent at least and if you're pissed off at Apple because they major [TS]

00:35:47   phone work like crap you're gonna look at that competition alot more closely [TS]

00:35:51   right and one of the ways that I think the computing world in general is gonna [TS]

00:35:55   lot better as time has gone on is that it's gotten alot easier to switch from [TS]

00:36:01   one platform to another there's nowhere near as much locked in technical lock in [TS]

00:36:05   is there used to be I mean it is absolutely true that with the App Store [TS]

00:36:09   you know I was gonna say I'm mobile platforms I feel like we started talk a [TS]

00:36:13   little bit of a step back there but on the other hand the prices having come [TS]

00:36:16   down so far were so many of the apps you may have bought are literally like 99 [TS]

00:36:21   censored buck 99 or freeze but so many things that you know just the fact that [TS]

00:36:26   your floppy disks were different formats drive right but I mean so many people [TS]

00:36:32   have so much of their stuff just in Dropbox or in you know Google Apps Gmail [TS]

00:36:39   you can put your calendar on Google Calendar and stuff like that it's really [TS]

00:36:43   a lot easier to switch and I know this from you know just the time if I you [TS]

00:36:47   know the times when I'll try an Android phone for a month or something like that [TS]

00:36:50   I don't have everything but I can get a lot I can get a lot of my stuff just by [TS]

00:36:54   signing into Dropbox and Google and stuff like that it's a lot easier than [TS]

00:37:00   it used to be certainly less bodies you know I'm not saying it's easy there's [TS]

00:37:04   certainly some some technical locked in but it used to be so I don't think [TS]

00:37:09   anybody would be wise to do that I just think and I think that they're only read [TS]

00:37:13   the reason they only write this about a boy nobody else is nobody else you could [TS]

00:37:17   even make it seem as though there are these irrational customers who after [TS]

00:37:21   being given a total shit sandwich like hey we took your perfectly working [TS]

00:37:25   iPhone and ruined it come by a new I feel like it's an insult to people who [TS]

00:37:31   buy iPhones I think I realized they'd be willing to just put up with this right [TS]

00:37:36   like wouldn't that be the moment where do you most angry at Apple and most [TS]

00:37:39   likely to buy a Samsung I i in fact I would be willing to bet if you can [TS]

00:37:45   somehow survey a thousand people are 10,000 people who've bought it I you [TS]

00:37:50   know a cellphone period in the last six weeks of I try my today if you can find [TS]

00:37:56   the number of those people who installed Iowa seven and hated it for whatever [TS]

00:37:59   reason I'll bet that those people are disproportionate probably not its I [TS]

00:38:05   don't think there's a lot of them and only two percentage be high but I bet [TS]

00:38:07   there'd be some kind of correlation that those people were more likely to try a [TS]

00:38:12   Samsung switch over to and right yeah I think that you know it's you know it is [TS]

00:38:18   a little irritation like that is the sort of thing that could really not due [TS]

00:38:21   to do that and I think Apple is fully aware of that right and what he had like [TS]

00:38:26   i said i don't i don't agree with a lot of stuff but I just can't see that it [TS]

00:38:30   makes any sense for them to say yeah but this is how we're going to get some new [TS]

00:38:32   sales but screw over the people who bought a phone two years ago I mean I [TS]

00:38:37   think I think the biggest thing is that like I said I think maybe they should [TS]

00:38:40   not have offered this update to those older phones if it was not gonna work as [TS]

00:38:45   well as it should but of course I mean if you do that then you're getting the [TS]

00:38:48   people who say all why is my phone already out of date [TS]

00:38:51   right why can't I get the latest so you can't win when you have tens of millions [TS]

00:38:55   of customers somebody's gonna be ticked off right and it's definitely the case [TS]

00:38:59   that you know an older phone is way more likely than a newer phone to have [TS]

00:39:04   developed some sort of even wanna call it a bug when I caught some some kind of [TS]

00:39:09   configuration of preference settings and data and usage that it's not gonna turn [TS]

00:39:15   up over the summer while it's being beta tested and it certainly also the case [TS]

00:39:19   that the majority of the people using iOS 7 while it was in beta and next year [TS]

00:39:24   who will be using Iowa State and Baylor are not using two or three year old [TS]

00:39:28   iPhones are rising on their new phones that they aren't allowed to show anybody [TS]

00:39:32   but it is absolutely not the case and it's like I said it's the opposite that [TS]

00:39:37   three year old iPhone users get more from Apple than any other phone nobody [TS]

00:39:42   it takes care of older customers like perfect timing let me tell you about our [TS]

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00:41:20   admins and they love little guy is this the copy that they gave you i assume [TS]

00:41:24   some of it right so so we use and that's the copies all accurate there's nothing [TS]

00:41:32   in a min accurate but basically if you don't want to deal with spam for your [TS]

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00:41:38   this is a great solution and it's inexpensive you let somebody else deal [TS]

00:41:42   with spam filtering and you don't have to do anything i mean that's the [TS]

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00:41:49   yeah and and yet we've been using it we had another solution that we are using [TS]

00:41:52   for future for a few years is pretty good but we got so fed up with them and [TS]

00:41:56   we switch to mail route after hearing about it on the talk show maybe about [TS]

00:42:00   six months ago they started advertising I think that sounds about right and this [TS]

00:42:06   is I'm not getting any money for this but we've been very happy with them and [TS]

00:42:09   the simplest thing is if you don't deal with spam let them deal with it and you [TS]

00:42:15   won't have any problems with it at least we haven't and I you know what I think [TS]

00:42:19   that to me it sounds a little funny first time I heard it that sounds pretty [TS]

00:42:22   cool in summer and are not asking you to switch your entire you dare not doing [TS]

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00:42:28   the mail hosting it does sound to me a little bit late will do I really want to [TS]

00:42:32   put another layer of indirection between the outside world in my mail server but [TS]

00:42:37   yeah you do think about it it's it's it's just all it is is just a layer of [TS]

00:42:42   filtering and outside world is terrible and full of spam [TS]

00:42:45   exactly and a filter layer there helps you avoid all that I also I owe my [TS]

00:42:51   friends apology last time they sponsored the show I said something to the effect [TS]

00:42:55   that these two work at Microsoft that's actually not true and you want me to [TS]

00:42:59   clarify that the northern and none of them in fact of work to make up what [TS]

00:43:02   they did is they had built a previous email had been told that they sold to [TS]

00:43:07   Microsoft ok but they did not at no point did they come with the tool [TS]

00:43:12   exactly and I just thought that was so adorable that they say they didn't ask [TS]

00:43:18   me to have corrected they just wanted me to know that none of them had worked so [TS]

00:43:22   well well wow but none of us have ever worked at Mikes we have think it speaks [TS]

00:43:31   I don't seem like cool guys and they wanted the street where you go far to [TS]

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00:43:52   show Paul about you but you're taking advantage that you found it and yeah why [TS]

00:43:59   not take 10% offer the next however many years we want to be using it so that's [TS]

00:44:03   mail route dotnet / the talk show really works just takes care of spam bagels 33 [TS]

00:44:11   census 433 words takes care I guess that's for my thanks to mind too but [TS]

00:44:20   like I said I'm not get paid I just like the product we doing on time again [TS]

00:44:26   making an hour maybe 45 minutes maybe you know you didnt you hardly know [TS]

00:44:34   there's no buzzer although you threaten to drop the mic after I might just [TS]

00:44:38   unplug them I can go if I could pull it off [TS]

00:44:43   someday to do events Kali which would be to do an episode of the show right don't [TS]

00:44:49   have a guest and I'll just talk now then skelly is the Dodgers 89 year old I [TS]

00:44:56   think it's something ridiculous great he's the the the baseball announcer for [TS]

00:45:02   the Los Angeles Dodgers he's been their team announcers for so long that he used [TS]

00:45:05   to be the announcer for the Brooklyn Brooklyn and eighty-five we should all [TS]

00:45:12   right but the most amazing thing is is he sounds exactly the same like listen [TS]

00:45:18   to an old clip of Jackie Robinson you know right [TS]

00:45:22   playing in Brooklyn in 1954 it sounds and Zach hill he came calling the game [TS]

00:45:27   today [TS]

00:45:28   well I mean that's the beauty of radio is he doesn't look quite the same he [TS]

00:45:33   looks a little early but anyway unlike any other [TS]

00:45:37   any other baseball announcer I'm aware of he still works alone he describes him [TS]

00:45:43   in the booth he doesn't do you know one guy doing play-by-play announcer guy [TS]

00:45:46   doing as they call it color commentary which is fine and you know the reason [TS]

00:45:52   why everybody else does it I think it would be really hard to do it by [TS]

00:45:55   yourself with what he does is difficult right it's just amazing he's the voice [TS]

00:45:59   of baseball and I wonder if I could do a talk show with no gas will say you were [TS]

00:46:03   a little late getting to this I actually did about 15 minutes before you got here [TS]

00:46:06   it's all gold so you know maybe will tack that on right at the beginning [TS]

00:46:11   Paul doing eventually yeah absolutely I would love to you know I would love to [TS]

00:46:15   have been slowly on the show [TS]

00:46:17   disease he at all [TS]

00:46:21   announces for the Dodgers I have no opportunity to listen to him I'm aware [TS]

00:46:26   of him but does he have the up on technology at all I have to imagine he's [TS]

00:46:30   not I'm guessing definitely not I would guess I would guess he's technology say [TS]

00:46:36   I mean it's gotta just be a baseball show you couldn't do anything else [TS]

00:46:39   yeah maybe some funny broadcasting stories maybe just let him do a talk [TS]

00:46:44   show maybe a literal know what I'm saying you're not on right exactly it's [TS]

00:46:48   just a little Vin Scully talks you know what I thought was great during the [TS]

00:46:52   playoffs baseball player us on TBS their their studio show meaning not be gains [TS]

00:46:59   but when they do when the games would cut back to the TBS studio between the [TS]

00:47:02   two games yeah we're in between games [TS]

00:47:04   Keith Olbermann was leading it and whenever they would show highlights from [TS]

00:47:08   the Dodgers games instead of showing are listening to the TBS crews that had [TS]

00:47:14   broadcast the games they were using Vin Scully they were using vin scully which [TS]

00:47:18   I thought was really nice touch and I don't know if I had to fight for that [TS]

00:47:22   like it that was little if there is any kind of pushback internally because it [TS]

00:47:25   was his own network is that he's ousting basically right but I almost have to [TS]

00:47:30   think that [TS]

00:47:31   know even if if your if like me and you were calling the Dodgers st. Louis came [TS]

00:47:37   between Keith Olbermann showed that highlights the used vince sculley would [TS]

00:47:40   be like well yeah of course of course you gotta use is the baseball announcers [TS]

00:47:45   baseball announcer right who who won that one in the playoffs who won the [TS]

00:47:50   World Series the Red Sox how that's right ok you know good team he'll be [TS]

00:47:57   here [TS]

00:47:58   yeah I just you know no hard feelings now I'm just I'm just get graduations [TS]

00:48:05   get them next year right [TS]

00:48:08   losers her eight hands don't say get a text you accuse fans liked it there just [TS]

00:48:16   angry Forex [TS]

00:48:19   assume they assume winner or loser gonna get them next year that's that's the [TS]

00:48:23   difference other teams have fans were there like well we don't do this year [TS]

00:48:26   maybe next year yet the next year is assumed from the get go anyway [TS]

00:48:31   into this year and next year yeah and the year after that I mean you know when [TS]

00:48:35   or series is good but really gotta win three four five in a row he's a really [TS]

00:48:40   really put yeah there's a funny thing you know there's a the Red Sox fans [TS]

00:48:48   design wanna go to launch reports I know people get bothered but Yankees fans [TS]

00:48:52   have always had there's there's real Yankees and not really Yankees and it's [TS]

00:48:56   hard to tell exactly cheaters are real yankee a large not so much [TS]

00:49:00   jpg a ride is not a real yankee although he a ride is almost an asterisk in every [TS]

00:49:05   category every possible because he's been there for so long and managed to [TS]

00:49:10   win 2011 World Series and the one that he won he did you know he was [TS]

00:49:14   unbelievably was really good [TS]

00:49:18   key key player on the team Matsui was the MVP but it could have been a ride [TS]

00:49:22   for the whole playoff run it was probably a ride but it's not just liked [TS]

00:49:30   so Jeter came up through the system [TS]

00:49:32   you know and farm system Mariano Rivera is clearly a real yankee came up through [TS]

00:49:37   the system Andy Pettitte came up through the system [TS]

00:49:40   Posada came up through the system but you don't have to so I like a famous [TS]

00:49:44   example of a guy who's everybody considers a real yankee but did not come [TS]

00:49:49   up through the system in fact even won his first World Series with the team was [TS]

00:49:52   Paul O'Neill number Pawlenty oh yeah absolutely right fielder who did he win [TS]

00:49:57   with before the rats ok he played like came up while he played for pete rose I [TS]

00:50:05   don't think he he might he might have been like a kid playing with on Pete [TS]

00:50:10   Rose Reds have to look up when he started but he if not he came up on the [TS]

00:50:15   Reds in like the late eighties and I always love him because he was a hot it [TS]

00:50:20   is a type of guy who if he struck out here half the time and he tried gaudy [TS]

00:50:24   good on the clubhouse and take his bat to the Gatorade jug break the bad just [TS]

00:50:31   he just going on smash stuff and I always appreciate always love those guys [TS]

00:50:34   I was always a mcenroe fans love makin' right right yeah same type like a racket [TS]

00:50:39   smash but he's Ariz considered a real yankee will get everybody people say [TS]

00:50:44   well you know what's the key what's the secret you know you know when you see it [TS]

00:50:48   right it's like you know I C and guess what you gotta win by three in four [TS]

00:50:51   World Series writes all O'Neill won the World Series with the Yankees so he's [TS]

00:50:56   really a key right not that hard [TS]

00:51:02   Big Papi real red sock absolutely do you do with the twins though so the right [TS]

00:51:08   right I have to donate to come up with the organization Pedroia real red sock [TS]

00:51:11   drags a sign Pedroia senior something like that [TS]

00:51:19   Kobe Ellsbury not a real red zone maybe three signs signs yeah absolutely he [TS]

00:51:25   takes a whole lot of money somewhere else then yeah even with two rings with [TS]

00:51:29   the team [TS]

00:51:29   Pedro Martinez yeah real red sock yeah that's right i mean he came up from the [TS]

00:51:37   expos and he played for other teams but I think I think you know thirty years [TS]

00:51:42   from now you know Pedro shows up at Fenway and everybody you know there's [TS]

00:51:46   going to be inviting him you know well how about one that's gonna it's gonna [TS]

00:51:50   hurt about Dave Roberts he was with the team for like half a season but that's [TS]

00:51:56   the biggest stolen base in the team's history that might be enough to earn it [TS]

00:52:01   I don't know I don't think so [TS]

00:52:04   alright I would also got technology let's let's move up the payout [TS]

00:52:12   story i think i think is the story about it was in business week couple days ago [TS]

00:52:17   about this Stephen Elop Nokia see all Nokia used to work at Microsoft and [TS]

00:52:26   Microsoft has since announced the acquisition of Nokia's handset business [TS]

00:52:29   so he's he's coming back and before the whole bomber resignation thing was [TS]

00:52:35   slated to take over like the devices wing of Microsoft which was gonna be [TS]

00:52:40   Nokia phones and Xbox right so I looked at this I looked at this briefly what [TS]

00:52:45   was what was interesting about a tu well it's a business week story that says [TS]

00:52:50   that three sources said this is what he loved would do he would run Microsoft [TS]

00:52:56   well and effectively here's how we would change it because you know it's sort of [TS]

00:53:01   goes instead but everybody have to assume that whoever is coming in to take [TS]

00:53:06   over Microsoft is gotta do something different because of something different [TS]

00:53:10   why the squeeze bomber [TS]

00:53:11   so he love has come out and he hasn't come out and said to be at three sources [TS]

00:53:15   went to Bloomberg and said that he would he would stop using office as a way to [TS]

00:53:22   keep people on Windows and Windows Phone and instead take office to as many [TS]

00:53:29   devices as the company could and I think the main one let's face it is gotta be [TS]

00:53:34   Iowa s right and and and the Mac just doesn't measure in enough numbers to [TS]

00:53:42   rise in terms of percentage rate and I say this is as a guy you know me a long [TS]

00:53:46   time Mac user who use them accurate a speaking to a guy whose company offers [TS]

00:53:51   right is you know you ninety-something percent max offer you guys have some [TS]

00:53:56   Iowa stuff but couple hours while we have one Windows app as well but yeah [TS]

00:54:00   but me where max offer right that would be my description right now you guys [TS]

00:54:04   could stop making the other ones new business would be the same interview [TS]

00:54:07   stop making mac software but do you know the Grand number of potential Mac Office [TS]

00:54:16   users just not that big and that there are you know and there but they're also [TS]

00:54:20   for twenty-some years has done very well [TS]

00:54:22   Office for Mac is very popular on that very expensive right but it's a decent [TS]

00:54:26   profit so it's just us you know do member there used to be and I think it's [TS]

00:54:31   the sort of thing where you kinda have to take the analysts word for it because [TS]

00:54:34   nobody really unveils it but it used to be said I think that the math kinda [TS]

00:54:41   holds up that Microsoft traditionally profits more her Mac sold then they do [TS]

00:54:48   per PC salt because the percentage of people who buy office for mac multiplied [TS]

00:54:57   by the price of Office for Mac is greater then yes greater than the cost [TS]

00:55:02   of windows that get slight diversion tickets licensed to the IOM's because [TS]

00:55:07   nobody normally Windows users don't buy the hundred and $29 copy of Windows they [TS]

00:55:12   buy they never upgrade they just get the version that comes with the PC and [TS]

00:55:16   install the free updates or service packs whatever they call them right and [TS]

00:55:20   eventually buy a new machine wright also comes with a license right and a lot of [TS]

00:55:23   them [TS]

00:55:24   they have office it came license to to them or if they have it work almost [TS]

00:55:28   certainly it's you know some kind of site license and its way lower whereas a [TS]

00:55:32   lot of Mac users are consumers and by the Hunterdon whatever dollar version of [TS]

00:55:37   Office right right was so that's the plan [TS]

00:55:42   the biggest part of the plan like you were saying was to have office be [TS]

00:55:45   everywhere instead of saying hey if you want office you probably won't windows [TS]

00:55:49   and if you don't want Windows maybe you can get on your Mac and is it on [TS]

00:55:53   anything else you must be on Windows Phone yeah but if you want office you [TS]

00:55:57   probably want to Windows platform or maybe a Mac but it's not on Windows [TS]

00:56:01   Phone its about propping up there it's used as a competitive cudgel to prop up [TS]

00:56:06   their platforms iOS itself and you know I guess they mention the Android [TS]

00:56:13   demeanor and whispers before that they've even considered taking office [TS]

00:56:17   standard and I think that that opened a whole can of worms terms of the whole [TS]

00:56:21   fragmentation and how many Android devices are even capable of it but [TS]

00:56:25   regardless it that the article made it sound as though that's what he would do [TS]

00:56:29   but like you said this was based on a bunt it was not him [TS]

00:56:34   they did not speak to him supposedly Lee's but they did say it was three [TS]

00:56:37   different sources and then this is Bloomberg News I mean we're just trying [TS]

00:56:41   out the new york times not being terribly reputable at the moment but [TS]

00:56:44   this is a relatively reputable news sources there I'd say the highly [TS]

00:56:48   reputable yeah you know I V everybody makes mistakes and you know anybody with [TS]

00:56:52   a perfect record but and the reporters are long you know I know one of them was [TS]

00:56:56   a member of Peterborough's Peterborough's is aces I mean he's is a [TS]

00:57:00   guy I mean I've never met him personally but I know you know decades of [TS]

00:57:04   experience you know reporting on this industry so is it possible that three [TS]

00:57:10   people smiled to BusinessWeek reporters I guess but I i I would bet my bottom [TS]

00:57:16   dollar that three people said it and business week is not the type of place [TS]

00:57:20   where three people who can't verify that they actually know steven you alright if [TS]

00:57:25   I call them up it's not going to create a story right Paul 67 [TS]

00:57:30   @ gmail.com send any emails as I was having drinks with steven is sitting [TS]

00:57:37   next to a guy who looked like Stephen Elop dolls and he says he's gonna he's [TS]

00:57:42   gonna sell the Xbox division now I mean somebody said this now you know it to me [TS]

00:57:48   that's fascinating though and it to me the more I think about it the more it [TS]

00:57:52   shows just how how bad the Microsoft situation has got you know that they [TS]

00:58:00   they've gotten to the point now where like perspective CEOs are fighting it [TS]

00:58:05   out in public like this in the in the media [TS]

00:58:08   yeah like behind the scenes this is obviously contentious this is not any [TS]

00:58:12   kind this is so definitely not a planned transition right that the infighting has [TS]

00:58:19   become public while the point where to the point where recently they were [TS]

00:58:23   talking to the media was talking to Bill Gates saying like hey are you gonna pull [TS]

00:58:27   a Steve Jobs and come back and save your company because they asked that because [TS]

00:58:31   it seems like they may be needed [TS]

00:58:33   I think he said no doubt he was pretty sure he wasn't gonna do that so yeah but [TS]

00:58:39   he did say in a big interview this week I forget where I was was it wired I [TS]

00:58:49   don't have a gate at an interview with The Financial Times in a bit there is a [TS]

00:58:53   financial times had a real long profile of them mostly about his charitable work [TS]

00:58:57   right address that and he did say though that he he is spending and has been [TS]

00:59:04   spending a lot more than the one day a week right or time that he planned to [TS]

00:59:09   leave and that he he definitely plans to you know have an active role with [TS]

00:59:15   whoever they choose as the next CEO so it might be real active because of him I [TS]

00:59:21   you know and they said it wasn't going to be him that I don't know I mean it's [TS]

00:59:25   you know a certain level you've gotta make a choice you know it's it's like [TS]

00:59:29   somebody's got to be the coach of the team and it's like when you've got a [TS]

00:59:34   former coach who still working in the organization it's like you know you've [TS]

00:59:39   got to decide you can come back and be the coach again are you kind of have to [TS]

00:59:41   give the ball to the new coach since you know let them sort of happy Varun and [TS]

00:59:46   he's in your shadow right somebody's in charge if you want if you want to be in [TS]

00:59:51   charge then take the job I think I don't think it works having somebody like I [TS]

01:00:00   mean you can be there was the phrase eminence Creuset [TS]

01:00:03   adviser behind the scenes here there is an adviser you know like her like when [TS]

01:00:09   when Marlon Brando became his son's conceivably air right he didn't he [TS]

01:00:15   wasn't the Godfather he wasn't running the family he was there is an adviser to [TS]

01:00:19   his son you can be that guy but then you know everybody knows michael Stone [TS]

01:00:24   charged right I just think in it and took to belabor the Godfather argument [TS]

01:00:31   go ahead there's the scene it's one of them just one of the best scenes cuz [TS]

01:00:35   it's so simple but Seoul logical that this is the way it's gotta be there at [TS]

01:00:39   the scene in the first one where they're having a meeting and sunny speaks up to [TS]

01:00:48   sort of you know jack to something and show that there's an argument in the [TS]

01:00:53   family and over which way to proceed with the drugs and stuff and then they [TS]

01:00:58   come out of the meeting and Brando is you know he's aight you don't ever let [TS]

01:01:03   anybody see that you know the fight you know you you know we do are fighting in [TS]

01:01:07   private right they were meeting with someone else right then why they you [TS]

01:01:13   know that's why they killed Sunday gives the other people [TS]

01:01:16   insight into what you're actually arguing about inside the organization [TS]

01:01:20   right and that to me is like what this thing going public with a plan a pretty [TS]

01:01:26   bold plan to you know [TS]

01:01:29   to focus on office rather than focus on their own platforms and you know said [TS]

01:01:34   that he'd consider selling the Xbox division are splitting it off you know [TS]

01:01:38   whatever you want to call it making that public is unseemly to me right and land [TS]

01:01:47   and what what I mean I guess that's the question is what is the benefit to doing [TS]

01:01:51   that because if you're if you're interested in the job if you want to be [TS]

01:01:54   the new CEO of the company you can present this plan to the board right [TS]

01:01:59   he's a high enough level person who can say like I need to speak to the board [TS]

01:02:02   this is what I would do he doesn't need to use you know the the media to do that [TS]

01:02:07   so what's the benefit to him of this league I don't think about that this [TS]

01:02:13   thing about that when I finish the show back on this topic but you take a moment [TS]

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01:03:20   in the same room you mean you all all remote 10 of us that are all remotes [TS]

01:03:24   exactly and I think it's not at all reviews but it's looking at the website [TS]

01:03:28   right now and I'm already interested exactly its ability you know having [TS]

01:03:32   meetings and stuff like that just kill you ok you need you need something like [TS]

01:03:36   this I mean I don't know if it's real or not but you're not sure if you don't [TS]

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01:03:48   see the AM with you I don't see the angle [TS]

01:03:50   what this does is a must be something and I only thing I can think of [TS]

01:03:53   something to the effect I like you said obviously if if he's actually being [TS]

01:03:58   considered for the job is of course he's going to present his plan to the board [TS]

01:04:04   the only thing I can think of is a big chunk of the board is resistant to this [TS]

01:04:11   plan and famous and and then there's public right support for it comes to [TS]

01:04:21   people who are on the board [TS]

01:04:23   guys there's a guy named Bill Gates and there's no guy named Steve Ballmer and I [TS]

01:04:28   think combined bomber in gates control just under 10% of the shares of the [TS]

01:04:33   company I think gates home including public as well yeah yeah and so you know [TS]

01:04:40   obviously their board seats are I think more influential than others because [TS]

01:04:47   they you know they actually control stock to only thing I can think of is [TS]

01:04:53   that there's some you know that thinks that by leaking this and public there's [TS]

01:04:58   a big chunk of other shareholders who agree that that's a good way to go [TS]

01:05:02   that's the way to do it right and that you know that they can put pressure on [TS]

01:05:07   the board to hire someone who's going to go in that direction so I where they [TS]

01:05:13   make the decision as it but so much my thought my thought is that you can see [TS]

01:05:18   the board is sort of against going another way and he wants the job enough [TS]

01:05:23   and thinks that by going public with it he can shift the board's thinking he's [TS]

01:05:28   only got a shot at the only way I can it makes any sense to me also I was you [TS]

01:05:32   mention this to me and I looked at this and I don't know too much about him so I [TS]

01:05:36   have you looked at his Wikipedia page let let me read you like three sentences [TS]

01:05:41   of the the opening paragraph of Stephen Elop Wikipedia page during the three [TS]

01:05:46   years [TS]

01:05:46   Elop was nokia CEO Nokia revenues fell 40% [TS]

01:05:50   Nokia profits fell 95 percent Nokia marketshare collapsed in smartphones [TS]

01:05:56   from 34% to 3.4% Nokia's credit rating went from a to junk Nokia's share prices [TS]

01:06:06   dropped sixty percent in value and Nokia's market cap lost thirteen billion [TS]

01:06:11   dollars in value the Financial Times calculated that Nokia shareholders ended [TS]

01:06:16   up paying a lot of owners of one million euros for every 1.5 billion in market [TS]

01:06:21   cap that he was able to destroy while nokia CEO I mean that's just brutal it's [TS]

01:06:31   pretty brutal it's a good way to put it I mean it seems to have been written by [TS]

01:06:37   someone with it a bit of a point of view but not necessarily an accurate I almost [TS]

01:06:41   feel like it's to Wikipedia is detriment that they like those are all statements [TS]

01:06:47   of fact right right but they are put together in a persuasive way that I feel [TS]

01:06:53   like Nokia [TS]

01:06:54   that Wikipedia sometimes tries to avoid right they want to have that neutral [TS]

01:06:58   yeah they don't want to be saying he's good or bad but this is clear it's a [TS]

01:07:01   good for Nokia you know if it's somebody else's said in us- politics at the facts [TS]

01:07:12   tend to have a liberal bias bright red [TS]

01:07:15   you could say he backs seem to have an anti Stephen Elop anti-gay bias absolute [TS]

01:07:21   yeah that's it doesn't really seem like a good way to get an upgrade to a bigger [TS]

01:07:27   that CEO job at a beer company know he might want to have someone sanitizers [TS]

01:07:32   Wikipedia page it possible that these people leak inform you can have somebody [TS]

01:07:36   had it as Wikipedia [TS]

01:07:37   you know and who know and I know it i mean this is not just conspiracy this is [TS]

01:07:43   a conspiracy of it I believe would be amount of some sort of securities fraud [TS]

01:07:48   although who knows [TS]

01:07:50   obviously international internet know what jurisdiction it would fall under [TS]

01:07:54   the country there in Finland Finland yeah is the allegation that because he [TS]

01:08:05   came from Microsoft right he was out he was out Microsoft before he went to be [TS]

01:08:10   the CEO of Nokia and Nokia went there and existing I just saw somebody on [TS]

01:08:15   Twitter the other day I was in an ad reply exchange of the couple people on [TS]

01:08:19   they said something we know somebody had said something about that just seems [TS]

01:08:23   like more and more that was a mistake for Nokia Windows Phone what we do go it [TS]

01:08:28   still couldn't otherwise it'd be on Symbian know they had a thing called me [TS]

01:08:32   go and they've been released one phone with it they had an intimate look kind [TS]

01:08:37   of interesting I mean it was ok with it [TS]

01:08:38   future looking platform Symbian was there all platforms and their MeeGo [TS]

01:08:42   platform was their potential competitor to Android and iOS and who knows maybe [TS]

01:08:46   would have been even worse but it was definitely not just like a slap a paint [TS]

01:08:49   on Symbian it was all knew it was a truly new system so that you know that [TS]

01:08:55   would have been the alternative but he came in and said no we're not doing [TS]

01:08:59   Symbian we're not doing what we're doing Windows Phone the allegation Noah guess [TS]

01:09:03   is the conspiracy allegations that he effectively never stopped working for [TS]

01:09:07   Microsoft and that his job was to do his job is to do what he did which is drive [TS]

01:09:12   their market cap down so that when Microsoft bought them it would be [TS]

01:09:15   cheaper I mean I don't even know is that a crime and I don't know I don't know [TS]

01:09:22   what you would get convicted of four that tho I don't know and the other [TS]

01:09:25   thing too that was so funny was with it came out was the severance pay severance [TS]

01:09:30   package but like the he got a huge bonus that he would rain that was talking [TS]

01:09:34   about was he got nineteen million euro bonus as the company was getting sold to [TS]

01:09:39   Microsoft for pennies right and it's all written in his contract so like if [TS]

01:09:44   you're the board and Nokia when you hired him when his lawyers come to you [TS]

01:09:48   with his contract says he would like to get a twenty million dollar bonus if he [TS]

01:09:52   drives this [TS]

01:09:53   the captain nothin and revenue shrivel up such that the company needs to sell [TS]

01:10:00   the hand say let's just say the handset business to write Microsoft revenue and [TS]

01:10:09   cash were down in the need to sell the handset business whether he would like a [TS]

01:10:12   twenty million dollar bonus in that situation and they they obviously said [TS]

01:10:17   sure I don't understand it I just know enough about it to laugh about it right [TS]

01:10:23   but there is a case that you could argue that if there was some kind of wink wink [TS]

01:10:26   nudge nudge you know hey here's what I think I'll do if I get this new kid that [TS]

01:10:30   you could see how maybe at Microsoft they do think that he did a good job [TS]

01:10:33   right he was successful in in tearing that company part of pride in the fact [TS]

01:10:40   that they're even considering him for the CEO gig lend credence to that [TS]

01:10:46   because otherwise why you know if that's his record with his record absolutely [TS]

01:10:52   you know what's his pizza I really hope to do the same Microsoft that I did when [TS]

01:10:58   I think my track record speaks for a job right right absolutely I'll have [TS]

01:11:04   Microsoft sold the Google with new career is for pennies on the dollar win [TS]

01:11:11   again and I would like a huge bonus when I mean what so Eva prediction on this [TS]

01:11:18   was the next CEO gonna be I think it's gonna be the guy from Fort I really do [TS]

01:11:24   just because of who's leaked it you know that it's I think it was the wall street [TS]

01:11:29   journal and I you know doesn't make any sense to me i mean but I don't know the [TS]

01:11:35   guy and I don't want to say that just because his primary experience is the [TS]

01:11:40   CEO of food [TS]

01:11:42   ford motor company that it means he couldn't be a good CEO of Microsoft but [TS]

01:11:47   you know and I don't know enough about him to say but it just doesn't seem to [TS]

01:11:51   me that a guy who [TS]

01:11:53   and forward good at anything that Microsoft needs right well yeah I mean [TS]

01:11:57   the you don't see great tech CEOs come out of the automotive industry I don't [TS]

01:12:02   know if there is any precedent for that [TS]

01:12:04   yeah I just really think that the CEO of the company that that in the consumer [TS]

01:12:10   space at all and Microsoft wants to be [TS]

01:12:13   you have to have some ability to judge Steve Jobs wasn't a designer he couldn't [TS]

01:12:23   you know sit down and designed examiners the famous story redesign the calculator [TS]

01:12:26   app but that wasn't as you know where he came from he was a judge of design now [TS]

01:12:31   and I know can Tim Cook doesn't do the same thing the jobs did but Tim Cook I [TS]

01:12:36   do think he you know he had decades of experience at Apple building these [TS]

01:12:42   devices you know he's very you know intimately familiar with what what an [TS]

01:12:45   Apple device and services right as you brought in somebody from Larry Page [TS]

01:12:52   Larry Page is a great example mean the guy you know literally was one of two [TS]

01:12:56   people who started Google I mean he did you know say what you want about what [TS]

01:12:59   Google's done and and how Larry Page has changed Google was been CEO but he [TS]

01:13:04   clearly understands cool you know I couldn't argue otherwise I just don't [TS]

01:13:10   see how a guy from Ford really understands Microsoft but I could be [TS]

01:13:13   wrong but I do I think that's what's going to be okay what's his name [TS]

01:13:17   Mulally or something like that yeah I saw that but I gotta catch the name is [TS]

01:13:23   he is he leaving the Vegas odds right now ford's Alan Mulally that's who I [TS]

01:13:29   think I think of Vegas posted odds on it I think it would be somebody had [TS]

01:13:33   somebody at odds on this didn't have few months ago somebody was somebody was [TS]

01:13:38   posted on human Axios gonna be in somebody will take your money on that [TS]

01:13:42   bed John here so Reuters hadn't exclusives just google Ennis Reuters had [TS]

01:13:47   an exclusive four days ago that they've narrowed the list too [TS]

01:13:54   three internal candidates including former Skype CEO Tony Bates I guess he [TS]

01:14:00   promises to build to bring escapes user interface clarity tell Jesus that's in [TS]

01:14:10   the article I made that Ford CEO Alan Mulally nokia CEO Stephen Elop Skype CEO [TS]

01:14:19   Tony Bates so I guess he's he's in Microsoft right now response today when [TS]

01:14:24   they acquired them he got some executive vice president a position and another [TS]

01:14:28   one satya open pronouncing 2010 and last name is easier Nadella ok but I'm not [TS]

01:14:37   sure if that's gonna get a two-man seems like it's pretty safe bet [TS]

01:14:44   unfortunately yeah but anyway Satya Nadella is right now Microsoft's cloud [TS]

01:14:51   and enterprise chief [TS]

01:14:53   right okay so those are the four according to Reuters alright but you're [TS]

01:14:58   gonna go put your money in Vegas we'll see I hope it is though it's a good I i [TS]

01:15:04   don't you know I would like to see microsoft also I can I don't know why [TS]

01:15:08   worries is somehow a poison pill in human form [TS]

01:15:14   yeah like that his only actual ability is the ability to further his own career [TS]

01:15:18   and just and teardown companies while he does it right you know so I kind of [TS]

01:15:22   rooting against him cuz i dont want to I wanna c Microsoft come out with some [TS]

01:15:26   awesome I wanted to be good mothers there's really so you mentioned that the [TS]

01:15:30   mail route guys wanted to make it clear that they did not work in Microsoft that [TS]

01:15:34   rivalry really does not exist anymore no I mean Windows Phone is interesting and [TS]

01:15:39   it doesn't seem like it's ever going to take off and I don't have much money [TS]

01:15:43   they can throw at it a lot but it hasn't worked so far no but I mean where it [TS]

01:15:48   that rivalry just so you know it's not interesting at all anymore [TS]

01:15:51   somebody a good tweet today so sorry just remember the tweet but I remember [TS]

01:15:56   who was time to get up there [TS]

01:15:58   they're just you could see how they're confused because on the one hand they're [TS]

01:16:03   competing against a pretty good OS and they were just talked about mobile which [TS]

01:16:07   is Android their target competing against Android which is pretty good and [TS]

01:16:10   totally free and free to anyone who wants it and on the other side they're [TS]

01:16:14   competing against a company that builds the whole stack hardware software [TS]

01:16:18   integrates it all and so you can see how they're confused and and seemed to be [TS]

01:16:24   trying to do something in between those two i mean they should be the Google in [TS]

01:16:28   this scenario right I would think so here's that I think though I think that [TS]

01:16:32   the thing that tweet missus where if every 10 ditto if you listen to the show [TS]

01:16:37   but I apologize for my money but I think the promise that the problem with [TS]

01:16:41   Android from Microsoft prospective isn't even that it's pretty good [TS]

01:16:45   the problem with it is that it's exactly what the customer wants and the [TS]

01:16:50   customers not the consumer the customer is carriers to carriers and companies [TS]

01:16:55   like Samsung where they get to do whatever the hell they want right that's [TS]

01:16:59   the group that's the big thing with Android that is so appealing to them you [TS]

01:17:05   want to put your own crap where I go ahead with it wasn't didn't maybe you [TS]

01:17:09   had this like I i know i thot somewhere with it [TS]

01:17:11   Microsoft is making an effort ton of money on Android you can say that word [TS]

01:17:17   ok they're making a fuck ton of money on Android [TS]

01:17:20   the patents that they own right somebody's and analysts said that it [TS]

01:17:24   would be two billion dollars a year right i mean that's a lot of money [TS]

01:17:28   especially like I don't know what Windows I mean it's not a huge amount of [TS]

01:17:31   money in the scheme of this but I wrote to it take it with your usual grain of [TS]

01:17:38   salt that some analysts at it I've never asked the guy but you can make it so [TS]

01:17:43   let's say somebody else I've heard that the figure is $5 of phone and I i an and [TS]

01:17:50   you know that's a lot of money when you're talking about you know the more [TS]

01:17:55   price-sensitive platform and and for no work and it's and it's also not every [TS]

01:18:01   Android phone so like the ones that are sold in China yet good luck getting [TS]

01:18:06   licenses on and it's clearly a lot but you know how do you get so error 400 [TS]

01:18:15   million Android phones sold in the West deep and respecting countries are now [TS]

01:18:21   that sounds like too many hundred million sounds too many and you have to [TS]

01:18:25   admit fight if if it is $5 of fun that's a number that's a high number to pay [TS]

01:18:30   licensing fees for know about no work but when I'm in the works done up front [TS]

01:18:37   they're not doing any continuing work right they're not even licensing code [TS]

01:18:41   they're just licensing the right to have code that does these things are like [TS]

01:18:47   whatever it is a lot of money to pay licensing for the company they didn't do [TS]

01:18:51   any the programming right and it would have to be if it is $5 a phone which i [TS]

01:18:56   think is a lot there would have to be four hundred million devices a year to [TS]

01:18:59   be two billion and multiply now that's right so I don't know why I say take it [TS]

01:19:04   with a grain of salt maybe it's less but if it's $5 a phone it could be 200 [TS]

01:19:11   million devices right i mean that sounds reasonable [TS]

01:19:15   the real point is they're making money off something that even if Android [TS]

01:19:19   succeeds there somehow being brought along with it in a way that it is very [TS]

01:19:24   strange as far as a platform rivalry goes right and I would think that that [TS]

01:19:30   might be you know that may be one of the things to where you enter into that [TS]

01:19:34   whole shipped vs sold debate that maybe they get their licensing fees no matter [TS]

01:19:38   what you like if I shipped from vs old yeah you know I like companies that have [TS]

01:19:43   had to take writedowns you know on exist you know on unsold devices and stuff and [TS]

01:19:49   you know that if you had the license thing that you may have to pay that when [TS]

01:19:53   you make the device right so I don't know it is kind of set and I do think [TS]

01:20:00   you know I think there's definitely an argument to be made that whatever the [TS]

01:20:02   figure is for Microsoft's Android patent royalties profits in that is greater [TS]

01:20:10   than the Windows Phone profits because they're probably losing money on Windows [TS]

01:20:14   from there have to be however popular is their advertising it more than [TS]

01:20:19   that right and they're clearly willing to do that for a couple of years while [TS]

01:20:23   they try and make it a viable platform right so that Android is profitable for [TS]

01:20:27   Microsoft to some degree maybe it's not two billion here but it's you know must [TS]

01:20:31   be in the hundreds of millions and Windows Phone is lost sir right so I [TS]

01:20:39   don't know maybe you know maybe the Elop argument you know I'm not even said I [TS]

01:20:44   didn't even get into that like weather actually think that's a good plan right [TS]

01:20:47   about the leaks and I won't I loved was and you mentioned it was the Microsoft [TS]

01:20:52   response to it [TS]

01:20:53   oh that's alright this is right up your alley you should read that read it I [TS]

01:21:01   don't have a ride from up this week thank you I can't believe I almost let [TS]

01:21:07   the show and i was i was gonna say I can't believe you you nearly missed this [TS]

01:21:11   year ago yeah I got it so it is Frank Shaw whose a Microsoft spokesman he said [TS]

01:21:18   in response to the Bloomberg article that supposedly reference these three [TS]

01:21:23   sources who none of whom were alot but who knows who they were you said we [TS]

01:21:27   appreciate Bloomberg's float foray into fiction and look forward to future [TS]

01:21:31   episodes I love Frank shot maybe I should shun the talk show he and it's [TS]

01:21:40   only ham saying he is the only PR person in Microsoft but he's the guy who when [TS]

01:21:46   the press calls that he almost always the spokesperson I C and he just lets it [TS]

01:21:53   fly he answers the phone and he gives a real answer yeah he gives a real answer [TS]

01:21:57   and no other company of that size does that certain Apple AAPL in my mind I [TS]

01:22:04   don't know that Apple has any spokespeople I don't tell them that [TS]

01:22:06   existed apple cos it's always declined comment [TS]

01:22:10   Apple has how I guess they don't have spots are people they have a ton of PR [TS]

01:22:16   people and they never respond to anything good job in the world right I [TS]

01:22:23   don't know that I've ever seen a story that Apple has responded responded yes [TS]

01:22:30   I feel like maybe there's a couple of cases I'm trying to think I know trudy [TS]

01:22:35   it it's it's like an antennagate kind of scenario where they have to say [TS]

01:22:43   something they cannot just sit there are not say anything [TS]

01:22:45   also the time like like this story that we were talking about at the at the top [TS]

01:22:49   of the show they didn't respond to that they're not gonna say anything about [TS]

01:22:52   that right and when they do respond it is you know there's that hid things I [TS]

01:22:59   think that they they they give some kind of response to the allegation when those [TS]

01:23:03   jokers came out with the if you get a 1200 dpi fingerprint [TS]

01:23:10   phenomenally high quality right and you know you have the expertise to take that [TS]

01:23:16   and printed on special laser printer jury rigged to use extra toner and then [TS]

01:23:24   imprinted onto a piece of silicon and then used that you can then unlock the [TS]

01:23:28   phone saying that that's an interesting in that it it's cool that somebody [TS]

01:23:33   showed that you could do it in a row somebody who's a professional at faking [TS]

01:23:37   fingerprints which I'm sure is a real security issue could that would fake a [TS]

01:23:43   touch I D sensor the issue is is that actually easier than learning somebody's [TS]

01:23:47   four-digit passcode but anyway I do think that somebody at Apple gave a [TS]

01:23:52   statement on that but the statement was just such ideas designed for the [TS]

01:23:56   security and convenience of iPhone customers right it was boring yeah it's [TS]

01:24:00   nothing it's nothing statement whereas Frank Shaw will get out there and say [TS]

01:24:03   that's freakin ridiculous but he's gonna do that or you know that sounds like a [TS]

01:24:09   great plot point for the next oceans 14 right right you know in the meantime in [TS]

01:24:14   the real world you know we've made phones more secure right love a guy he'd [TS]

01:24:20   see also let it fly on Twitter too and it's not like just under 20 it's under [TS]

01:24:24   his own name [TS]

01:24:25   it's like Frank shaw's Twitter handle any and that's cool too he's giving it a [TS]

01:24:30   cool middle middle initial yeah yeah I mean almost everybody should have axes [TS]

01:24:35   middle initial why did you lose a little of the cache 800 I not everybody should [TS]

01:24:41   I would say everybody would sound cooler [TS]

01:24:44   Paul acts crosses and how it's sweet that is pretty sweet it it's it's kind [TS]

01:24:49   of a mouthful to say but it would look cool right right John Jackson John X [TS]

01:24:54   grouper good it's a good one [TS]

01:24:56   yeah frank shock let it fly nobody does PR like Frank show I want to see what I [TS]

01:25:03   mean its own you know like lake is that gonna be an issue when the new CEO comes [TS]

01:25:09   in as new CEO gonna be like with this case like how they clearly bomber [TS]

01:25:16   supports it and that's I almost doesn't surprise me you know 'cause bombers a [TS]

01:25:21   little abominable slipped maybe maybe fracture that should be the new Zea you [TS]

01:25:29   know what maybe he should I don't know anything about his business expertise [TS]

01:25:33   but he knows how to pitch a quote so far what I had I had one more story and we [TS]

01:25:41   can you can tell Caleb to cut it before this if you want but this was not what [TS]

01:25:45   you said a bunch of stuff to me I had one for you [TS]

01:25:47   the Twitter IPO happened this past week alright not terribly interesting to me [TS]

01:25:52   as as a technologist or anything like that but did you see who rang the [TS]

01:25:58   opening bell for them at No [TS]

01:25:59   so it was you who was then I'll tell your story heard from somebody I know it [TS]

01:26:05   whether it was Patrick Stewart who is a fairly prominent Twitter user [TS]

01:26:09   Patrick Stewart I'm sorry I didn't mean to you know I don't go for the SIR [TS]

01:26:11   nonsense I'm an American alright Patrick Stewart then why was he spoke at an even [TS]

01:26:17   now as Captain Picard get your ID card there we go [TS]

01:26:20   the card the woman who runs the Boston Police Department's Twitter stream I [TS]

01:26:26   don't have her name but it was you know another prominent Twitter user [TS]

01:26:30   especially in the wake of what happened you know six months ago in Boston and a [TS]

01:26:34   nine year old girl who has done used Twitter to raise a whole lot of money [TS]

01:26:38   for charity [TS]

01:26:39   ending human trafficking so basically you know prominent and useful Twitter [TS]

01:26:45   users basically and that's who they had you know the the founder of the company [TS]

01:26:50   to Costello and Jack Dorsey in homes were all there but they were not the [TS]

01:26:54   ones ream the actual bell which is a sort of ceremonial role right and so you [TS]

01:27:00   know it's interesting it and they said you know we wanted to give back to [TS]

01:27:02   Twitter and show this is this is we respect our users and and whatever but [TS]

01:27:07   the story that I heard and I i can attribute this at all but it's it's to [TS]

01:27:11   someone from someone at Twitter was that what they were trying to do was avoid [TS]

01:27:14   what they call be smiling assholes photo which is the photo that you get of the [TS]

01:27:21   founders of a company like Groupon or what's the game company Zynga where they [TS]

01:27:29   rang the bell and it's the founders and they're looking up there and you know [TS]

01:27:32   whatever their popped collar polo or whatever their wherein and six months [TS]

01:27:36   down the line all their investors have gotten totally screwed and this photo of [TS]

01:27:41   them getting super rich still exists and and they just look like smiling axles so [TS]

01:27:46   I thought it was a pretty good move to you know who is and who knows what can [TS]

01:27:51   happen to the Twitter stock in six months but at the at the very least [TS]

01:27:54   there will not be a photo of Jack Dorsey and Evan Williams and a Costello looking [TS]

01:27:58   ecstatic about the billions of dollars they just made i wouldn't want to ring [TS]

01:28:03   the bell because they thought or just in general [TS]

01:28:06   well both I don't know I mean do you think Steve Jobs rang the bell when [TS]

01:28:11   apple and IBM I just googled Steve Jobs Apple IPO and all that comes up our [TS]

01:28:16   pictures of Steve Jobs holding an iPod [TS]

01:28:19   if things you spelled out cause I think their IPO is so long ago that it's you [TS]

01:28:26   know it was there was in seventy six or eight or so it predates the [TS]

01:28:31   now now when it was was the nasdaq around back I don't know I know for a [TS]

01:28:37   while Apple traded on NASDAQ I mean that's what they are on now isn't it [TS]

01:28:42   are they I don't even know it used to be more of a difference now who even knows [TS]

01:28:45   I mean I know right you know yet know that they've been on the nasdaq for a [TS]

01:28:48   long time but I i dont know that existed when they came out [TS]

01:28:51   the nasdaq is just a whole bunch of computers right yeah I don't know you [TS]

01:28:56   might be right I don't know maybe they don't I just assumed that they might [TS]

01:29:00   have been on the New York Stock Exchange originally right right yeah that doesn't [TS]

01:29:04   seem like you know what I think it must have been a whole deal with the Twitter [TS]

01:29:12   was going on the New York Stock Exchange trying to avoid the problems the [TS]

01:29:15   Facebook ad right with with the whole on the nasdaq yeah and thats why nobody [TS]

01:29:20   rang the bell [TS]

01:29:22   I thought I see now I thought I did hear something about them so maybe Nasdaq [TS]

01:29:25   does have a BS ceremonial belt like a guy in a dataset ride rider powering on [TS]

01:29:33   a computer at the start of China start up the centrist 650 that runs the nasdaq [TS]

01:29:43   well for Facebook yet it looked like it was I had some about Twitter the IPO I [TS]

01:29:54   just care about I think I think that's part of what [TS]

01:29:54   just care about I think I think that's part of what [TS]

01:30:00   makes during fireball me a lot different than a lot of texas i got really care [TS]

01:30:03   you know yet did you cover added you mentioned I don't think I you doing to [TS]

01:30:08   it at all just doesn't matter to me the only put the only aspect of it that I [TS]

01:30:11   find interesting as a user is that it secures that Twitter is for the near [TS]

01:30:17   future is gonna remain an independent company that there's nobody who's going [TS]

01:30:21   to acquire them right they won't get caught up on google or fix that's been [TS]

01:30:24   clear for a couple of years you know that the IPO to me as a user is really [TS]

01:30:29   more of a a a cap on the assumption that they're going to remain independent as [TS]

01:30:35   opposed to selling to Google or Facebook or something like that but it's been [TS]

01:30:40   clear for at least two years that they were going to stay independent they got [TS]

01:30:43   and headed towards an IPO greatly during the father funny thing and it you know [TS]

01:30:49   it's like the who is the beetle that pete best and yet the drummer yeah [TS]

01:30:54   that's the other thing that i dont wanna rub it in you know just because [TS]

01:31:00   companies missed out on her own ever but it always seems like yahoo is the right [TS]

01:31:05   like every single IPO there's a story about how like six years earlier hype [TS]

01:31:09   Yahoo almost bought Twitter for it was like twelve million dollars they made an [TS]

01:31:14   offer for ya right and they're like maybe and then like somebody Yahoo is [TS]

01:31:19   actually go to 49 [TS]

01:31:21   like it was probably like Williams our decade or so you have you know sitting [TS]

01:31:29   there like if they go to 14 and then like the phone doesn't ring and Li [TS]

01:31:33   alright alright we're not back to where the famous one for that is Google right [TS]

01:31:38   Yahoo tried to buy Google and then and now Google's eat their lunch break and I [TS]

01:31:44   think the Google offer I could be wrong but it was preposterous lilo compared to [TS]

01:31:47   work in a fifty million dollars or something but it you know it's like in [TS]

01:31:52   in the midst of me saying this particular sentence Google is made fifty [TS]

01:31:56   million trade at this point so it's pretty sad that just seems like it's [TS]

01:32:02   always Yahoo and hoodia well but that well to be fair that's old Yahoo [TS]

01:32:07   hopefully Yahoo's I I don't know how you feel about it i hope they do well i i i [TS]

01:32:12   own a few shares their stock but I hope they do well in the future as it's [TS]

01:32:16   interesting to have a few competitors out there but that's that's Yahoo from [TS]

01:32:19   45 years ago [TS]

01:32:21   well and the other thing too is that my hopes for long-term success of Yahoo [TS]

01:32:26   would be original products from Yahoo coming not just not just them somehow [TS]

01:32:33   finding the original things to buy and do well but I mean they bought Flickr [TS]

01:32:38   right yeah that's what have they done that's original at this point [TS]

01:32:45   well here's a good example I mean you can't hold it against the current [TS]

01:32:48   leadership because they've only you know Myers on there for a year but you know [TS]

01:32:54   there's a good example where clearly what they should have done after they [TS]

01:32:57   bought Flickr is you know that there never should have been an Instagram [TS]

01:33:02   you know I am owning Flickr should have made instruments right and the rise of [TS]

01:33:07   the iPhone and you know it should not have taken been too hard for someone in [TS]

01:33:13   you know as Twitter was taking off and the iPhone was taking off or 2008 let's [TS]

01:33:18   say you know when the iPhone was kinda clearly wow this is a thing right to say [TS]

01:33:23   well quicker should obviously be huge on the iPhone and what's the right format [TS]

01:33:29   for that [TS]

01:33:30   you know like Twitter to stream of images from your friends and you know [TS]

01:33:35   format that's friendly for fun sized screens right and make it easy to take [TS]

01:33:39   pictures on the phone and send them and in the meantime they spent five years [TS]

01:33:44   with the design was mentor you know where do you like 2005 right laptop [TS]

01:33:50   displays and their mobile interface was designed for like flip phones alright [TS]

01:33:58   that's good we made in our only masturbate 49 minutes [TS]