The Talk Show

65: 2013 Holiday Spectacular


00:00:00   so guy a Merry Christmas Happy Holidays is the holiday special knowledge the [TS]

00:00:10   first annual during the talk show / during fireball level of during fireball [TS]

00:00:17   sponsored Holiday Spectacular we gonna have you got a guy English here for the [TS]

00:00:23   first segment we've got Marco Arment who's going to do a go and do a couple [TS]

00:00:28   of Christmas carols we have John Siracusa coming on later to do a reading [TS]

00:00:33   of the night before christmas is going to correct markers Carolina right we've [TS]

00:00:39   got john wants is gonna come out with his family recipe for eggnog gotta tell [TS]

00:00:44   everybody how to make it all this and more [TS]

00:00:48   lot of songs a lot of dancing yeah I'm looking forward to the Scott Simpson [TS]

00:00:53   dance number [TS]

00:00:54   dance number of radio is united no I did not hear whether I know he's coming on [TS]

00:00:57   here is it was going to be a big surprise well it's alright and can't [TS]

00:01:03   wait to see the costume funny man you know he said when he feels that his [TS]

00:01:09   taxes as we should fill in you know because they have do you do a candidate [TS]

00:01:12   but here you have to put occupation I think he should put funny man makes [TS]

00:01:17   sense I will ask him at the top of the show my accountant out used to always I [TS]

00:01:27   swear to God I go over the last twelve thirteen years and counting I've spent [TS]

00:01:31   more time trying to figure out what to put on in that field but David writer [TS]

00:01:37   publisher I forgot I don't see figure something out and it you know he seemed [TS]

00:01:42   to think it mattered because it's you want to look like legitimate and it's [TS]

00:01:46   not like a legal thing it so you can I guess legally you can put anything [TS]

00:01:50   is legally allowed to be in a clown but you know you want it to look like [TS]

00:01:59   whatever you put limits to kind of the things you can claim exactly so this is [TS]

00:02:06   Christmas Spectacular Sturrock be awesome [TS]

00:02:08   talking about a good idea you know that would actually probably pretty smart of [TS]

00:02:15   you just call you know every year did you taxes at christmas just to get a [TS]

00:02:19   jump at least [TS]

00:02:21   holiday spirit what the only other question before we get into the you know [TS]

00:02:27   we can nerdery is I just want to make sure we're recording this now in the [TS]

00:02:31   evening of December 23rd when is Canadian Christmas generate third so not [TS]

00:02:40   too far off now you guys do you get the background stuff ready to do it on the [TS]

00:02:50   Christmas Eve for the 24th no ok researchers more of a thing Greek Easter [TS]

00:02:57   is different day great Christmas I don't think some champagne so let's meet Greek [TS]

00:03:04   Orthodox Church doesn't do anything different maybe a big deal against [TS]

00:03:09   Bashir like a lot of francophone populations sought bids on it they [TS]

00:03:17   celebrate early you mean like they celebrate the presence to go to midnight [TS]

00:03:22   mass like that [TS]

00:03:24   Christmas Eve just the big 12 masses I grew up Catholic that was a big thing [TS]

00:03:29   but we didn't do presidents yeah we I mean you know typical angle which time [TS]

00:03:37   we open presents in the morning if you come downstairs in the open prisons yeah [TS]

00:03:41   but many masters pretty cool you know honestly my thought grown up the whole [TS]

00:03:46   time was going to church Sunday anyway but if you're gonna have to go to church [TS]

00:03:50   get out of the way the night before Christmas the worst to me was the times [TS]

00:03:56   we did go on Christmas morning [TS]

00:03:58   here's everything you wanted an amazing his amazing pile of toys and video games [TS]

00:04:04   ok go get dressed up as go to church that is the worst thing about it is [TS]

00:04:09   torturous I mean that there would be worse if anything I know you know be a [TS]

00:04:14   hard sell on a nineteen year old kid but it would be better to just make him get [TS]

00:04:20   up and go to church first and leave the toys and presence there and I mean I [TS]

00:04:25   don't know maybe I'm underestimate how hard it would be to drag it out but it [TS]

00:04:29   was pretty hard to drag him out once they were opened up to know for sure man [TS]

00:04:34   named as good as a kid like midnight it's pretty special and awesome actually [TS]

00:04:39   has a kid actually makes you feel like you you know it's about as close as you [TS]

00:04:42   can get you know going to church to feeling like a badass [TS]

00:04:46   in charge but it's pretty bad as I remember thinking it was pretty cool [TS]

00:04:54   that I got to stand but I remember thinking that it was amazing that the [TS]

00:04:57   priests were still up because I just always imagined the priest you know what [TS]

00:05:00   type of people who go to bed around sundown ya never know that could be [TS]

00:05:05   getting into the holy spirit air that's how I just like the warning the bladder [TS]

00:05:18   cut a lot of things were going to get a lot of trouble for this yeah speaking of [TS]

00:05:33   a lot of trouble first and wanted to talk to you so just beginning of the [TS]

00:05:39   weekend this this Justine sacco Justine psycho thing where I mean I route we're [TS]

00:05:46   out for the evening we had a little [TS]

00:05:48   out and I was like she went to the restroom so a quick check Twitter and it [TS]

00:05:55   was clear there that was the first time is late at night Friday in East Coast [TS]

00:05:59   hashtag people who I follow using it this has Justine landed ashtec you did [TS]

00:06:06   you follow this yeah I did I mean long story short I am probably everybody [TS]

00:06:11   lists existing blew up like crazy how big take actual news front page of CNN [TS]

00:06:21   etc etc but long story short she's a PR executive at IAC which is barry diller's [TS]

00:06:28   company she was a guess she's from South Africa she's probably gone home for the [TS]

00:06:32   holidays she was flying from London South Africa a 12 hour flight and before [TS]

00:06:37   she got on the flight she tweeted gone dead gone Africa hope I don't get aids [TS]

00:06:48   just kidding I'm white and obviously offensive or inappropriate [TS]

00:06:57   insensitive i think is where I would use but before we get to that will happen is [TS]

00:07:03   somehow she only has a $200 she's not at the time did you know didn't expect you [TS]

00:07:11   know certainly do expect more than a couple hundred people to see the tweet [TS]

00:07:15   and somehow and if it was the guy BuzzFeed one of these other sites but [TS]

00:07:20   somebody found it and posted it now this is somebody with a $100,000 said this [TS]

00:07:26   might be the worst tweet ever written and retweeted it or whatever and then I [TS]

00:07:32   got picked up elsewhere and there is this hashtag has Justine landed yet [TS]

00:07:36   because this whole thing took place while she was on a 12 hour flight with [TS]

00:07:40   no in which to me is like is is inception the whole thing I think would [TS]

00:07:48   play out separately otherwise and so she gets off the plane even forgotten she [TS]

00:07:54   posted the tweet and it's like she's front-page news at CNN and she's fired [TS]

00:08:00   yeah I mean gives again it's a pretty delicate thing to talk about you don't [TS]

00:08:09   want it well I don't want to excuse the tweet but I don't want to say that I [TS]

00:08:13   think it was funny but I also think it is pretty clear if you think about it [TS]

00:08:17   and you do any research into the woman at all that she did not mean it in the [TS]

00:08:21   way that obviously every day it could be that on the surface misinterpreted as [TS]

00:08:26   that she's somehow taking delight in the fact that aids in africa is the epidemic [TS]

00:08:33   that's going on here is largely a problem [TS]

00:08:36   non-white yes yeah [TS]

00:08:41   well first of all not feeling well beaten joke right [TS]

00:08:48   second of absolutely cracking jokes about aids has a total third rail and so [TS]

00:08:54   is race so now you're juggling hangin it at this point you know and somebody [TS]

00:09:02   there was somebody who was more or less defending are not defending her and say [TS]

00:09:06   hey this was fine but hey this was not somebody you know jumping on the graves [TS]

00:09:12   of aids victims in Africa this is somebody who is trying to make like a [TS]

00:09:16   joke Randy liberal perspective and more I think it's it's almost like it's one [TS]

00:09:24   of us sad isn't it crazy that is disproportionately right people and [TS]

00:09:32   people in South Africa right and somebody's example was well what if [TS]

00:09:36   somebody was a well-known white liberal had posted I'm off to Florida hope I [TS]

00:09:42   don't get shot just kidding on white everybody now people might be offended [TS]

00:09:47   people might do a lot of people maybe I'll most people would think that some [TS]

00:09:50   funny but if the person was known you know not to be the opposite of racist to [TS]

00:09:56   be a liberal who's sort of takes crusades against racism you wouldn't [TS]

00:10:02   understand that that they're trying to make a joke about the fact that gun [TS]

00:10:08   violence disproportionately affects black people especially in some states [TS]

00:10:12   like Florida gas and that is clearly the angle that she was trying to take win in [TS]

00:10:17   the thing is I whatever chance you might have had to defend herself or delete the [TS]

00:10:22   tweet if she had not been on the airplane and realize all people are [TS]

00:10:25   taking this the wrong way [TS]

00:10:26   it all got lost cuz she was on his 12 hour flight and everybody realized and I [TS]

00:10:31   have maybe not everybody but literally hundreds of thousands of people [TS]

00:10:34   retweeting this hashtag knew that you know found out hey this woman got on an [TS]

00:10:39   airplane in London after tweeting this insensitive thing wow she gonna be [TS]

00:10:45   surprised when she got off and it really and was like a very the Twitter [TS]

00:10:49   equivalent of a lynch mob which I say knowing that lynch mobs carrier but I [TS]

00:10:57   don't know how else to describe it you know some kind of weird even any just [TS]

00:11:05   what I said it has just landed yet ya like it complicit in that she has no way [TS]

00:11:11   of defending myself reading was like thats what people were somehow taking [TS]

00:11:16   delight that unbelievable outrage you know the number one [TS]

00:11:23   hashtag on Twitter and it's all about this one woman and she has no idea and [TS]

00:11:29   she didn't you know people there waiting people who figure out what place she was [TS]

00:11:33   on [TS]

00:11:33   you know yet as a flight tracker right and there were people there is a flight [TS]

00:11:38   tracker people were following it there were people who showed up at the airport [TS]

00:11:41   to take her picture and stuff and it's really defending the tweet saying she [TS]

00:11:52   did but jokes about those bad right but you could only get away with it with a [TS]

00:11:57   traveler context not just about any sort of Florida wine not that funny traffic [TS]

00:12:06   but you've got to get the treatment they need to stand your ground has been there [TS]

00:12:12   is so much news around Lake surrounding the issue right now there you can kind [TS]

00:12:16   of quick that joke and people have context root this is context freeze for [TS]

00:12:24   most of the world is concerned you know yeah and you know and somebody who is [TS]

00:12:28   known professional comedian known for telling insensitive jokes like Tommy had [TS]

00:12:37   like Daniel Tosh could probably get away with the exact same joke [TS]

00:12:41   simply because everybody's braced for the fact that he's death is what he does [TS]

00:12:45   tells really jokes that really make you like suckin [TS]

00:12:50   yeah you know where she's just not a comedian she's corporate executive but [TS]

00:13:02   it's this don't know it was the delight that the crowd of people literally [TS]

00:13:08   thousands of people every hour minute even [TS]

00:13:11   retweeting this hashtag that really I found worrisome because I don't think [TS]

00:13:17   and I think people knew she was gonna get fired you know I think it was pretty [TS]

00:13:20   clear and and a separate topic I guess is one should have done well yeah went [TS]

00:13:27   on about that after but I really found it worrisome how people you know they [TS]

00:13:32   like sharks in the water and it's a kiss gleeful you got 12 hours to discounted [TS]

00:13:41   dig in tearing apart without her having heard deal to respond and ruin your fun [TS]

00:13:49   in any way and I think a lot of it is left was met eleven people were like oh [TS]

00:13:54   my god I can't believe it's going to happen to me she lands right and that [TS]

00:13:57   was the joke I'm not sure I don't know it seems like you could do some kind of [TS]

00:14:06   steady to figure out a ship if the sorry if the most active Twitter staff was [TS]

00:14:13   about outrage about huge oak or should I leave from this in her predicament I [TS]

00:14:20   think she I think it's the latter I really do think it's the latter and I [TS]

00:14:25   almost feel like that's what got it picked out by the guide BuzzFeed decided [TS]

00:14:31   to make it because it's sort of like this [TS]

00:14:33   the sixth sense that some of these people have about what what can make a [TS]

00:14:38   viral mean but it's that it's that combination of the fact that on the [TS]

00:14:45   surface the tweet is very offensive obviously so I don't take the bus she [TS]

00:14:52   gave her what they do I mean I'm not a fan of that kind and generous and do [TS]

00:14:59   whatever it is to take to call it entertainment my kind of deal because I [TS]

00:15:04   feel like I feel like he probably knew as he did it that he was [TS]

00:15:10   her career you know the very least careers a long time I mean she's like 33 [TS]

00:15:18   years old [TS]

00:15:19   career might be over but should you know hopefully like most things Internet is a [TS]

00:15:30   couple of weeks and so do you think she should get fired I do not think she [TS]

00:15:40   should have been fired before she even landed right at the very least I think [TS]

00:15:45   that I think that I see the company you work for should have been able to put a [TS]

00:15:51   statement out immediately did you know that they don't agree with them she's [TS]

00:15:57   not speaking for the company but it can't deal with this until they've [TS]

00:16:02   spoken to her I don't know I mean it cuz it seemed like it exploded like it was [TS]

00:16:10   like explosively in the public consciousness you know that somehow it [TS]

00:16:18   shot to the top of this like you know every news site was writing about it I [TS]

00:16:24   mean I really do think most of this stuff [TS]

00:16:26   peaked in in I don't know what the awareness are or does i mean that to you [TS]

00:16:36   over use that word but it was like the the buzzwords peak before her plane [TS]

00:16:40   landed like it had gotten so big so fast I don't know that you know that the [TS]

00:16:45   standard rules of PR apply I don't know [TS]

00:16:50   well you know i think is also primed by the duck dynasty so that is going on I [TS]

00:17:00   can't help but think the dead didn't help that it somehow had gotten people [TS]

00:17:06   to white people saying offensive things about hockey say the darndest things [TS]

00:17:15   exactly what I get half of what he said there was no public awareness about [TS]

00:17:22   stuff he said about black people but about gay people [TS]

00:17:27   yeah man yeah he went old school yet to fully get there [TS]

00:17:36   yeah I don't think it helped at all it's still looking at this is not funny joke [TS]

00:17:44   know you can kinda see like there's a scaffolding of what she's trying to do [TS]

00:17:49   and it just doesn't but I do think though that there's really only two ways [TS]

00:17:53   that you if you again not to defend it was really really poorly considered any [TS]

00:17:57   really should you know it's one of those things where I really hate to say that [TS]

00:18:01   there are things you can't joke about but there are things that you should be [TS]

00:18:06   so hesitant to joke about it leave it to the pros at the very least right that [TS]

00:18:11   it's effectively rounds off to never write it [TS]

00:18:16   99.9 something percent of jokes make a big joke on to it right [TS]

00:18:22   you know right but it's yeah but somehow it's different though is different to [TS]

00:18:34   make a joke on Twitter than to make it probably is probably true that any joke [TS]

00:18:37   that you should make one place you should make any other but it's it's you [TS]

00:18:42   know it's more dangerous to make it somewhere where there's a ring a written [TS]

00:18:45   record of it and you find the record it and it's also the case that it can it [TS]

00:18:52   can be easier when it's just a string of ticket back to the all these arguments [TS]

00:18:58   about the Internet in general dating back to the people first got online and [TS]

00:19:02   started using smiley you know colon you no doubt the season because you're right [TS]

00:19:10   people needed to know when you're joking or some people do and some people really [TS]

00:19:16   just don't you know some people pick it up less than others and it's also true [TS]

00:19:21   even people who might pick it up in their native language everybody who [TS]

00:19:26   speaks more than one language has trouble picking up on the subtleties of [TS]

00:19:30   humor in their second third fourth language so if anybody is not native [TS]

00:19:34   English speaker any hope of interpreting something like that as a joke is that [TS]

00:19:41   said I don't think it's money at the end of this wouldn't know although I do [TS]

00:19:46   think that was the purpose of the exclamation mark you know an exclamation [TS]

00:19:49   mark is sort of a more formal smiley yeah yeah you know like I just don't see [TS]

00:19:57   this as a white supremacy thing is this is a depressing reality think there's [TS]

00:20:06   only two ways you know and I and maybe there's a lot of people who did see it [TS]

00:20:10   that way didn't see it again [TS]

00:20:11   a white supremacist [TS]

00:20:13   who did instantly recognized it as you know something else but who did then [TS]

00:20:20   think that it was making light of the situation and arguably that's exactly [TS]

00:20:24   what is genuinely that's what's genuinely offensive about it not that [TS]

00:20:29   it's racist but that is making light of an incredibly seriously grave situation [TS]

00:20:36   yet millions and millions of people especially in Africa ultraviolet super [TS]

00:20:45   what's bid second while we have drugs in the west now that can kind of managed a [TS]

00:20:54   chippy at least wait waiting expensive in Africa like to do is just there's no [TS]

00:21:01   managing entities it it's ravaging horrible and it it just affects giant [TS]

00:21:08   actions the population and its seems almost in its one of those I catch 22 [TS]

00:21:13   intractable situations where as devastating as epidemic and tragic as it [TS]

00:21:20   was in the west [TS]

00:21:22   USA and Europe at its worse in Africa because they're not equipped to deal [TS]

00:21:29   with it in terms of education in terms of the medical infrastructure and in [TS]

00:21:34   terms of societal norms where there's huge problems you know they can do you [TS]

00:21:38   ask and in Western Europe a lot of it was helped with a campaign to you know [TS]

00:21:43   increased condom usage [TS]

00:21:45   service here in turn this into an aide podcast but it really know but but you [TS]

00:21:51   know and there's a natural relatively simple and cost-effective I mean you [TS]

00:21:55   know one of the reasons it got so bad in the West was it was stigmatized is [TS]

00:22:00   basically a game against disease [TS]

00:22:03   effectively one early eighties people coming to get cancer really understood [TS]

00:22:08   it wants you know people cutter head out of the sand in trip actually started [TS]

00:22:15   realizing just how horrible its demise and it affected not just you know some [TS]

00:22:21   kind of subculture did you could dismiss some coaches from earth summit that i'm [TS]

00:22:27   gonna screw this up I'm sorry I'm Kentucky sensitive issues in a minority [TS]

00:22:34   call ya stigmatized groups basically but once people got over that condom usage [TS]

00:22:42   you know just STD Awareness also in Africa where there's enormous cultural [TS]

00:22:50   resistance to the use of condoms at all you know and and just go from there just [TS]

00:22:57   is it truly is I mean I hope Projekt RED campaign is about [TS]

00:23:02   raising awareness and trying to help you know help the situation and it's kinda [TS]

00:23:08   ties into are all of our mutual interests has participated in the [TS]

00:23:12   project red stuff for a long time you know various iPods and special editions [TS]

00:23:17   stuff like that [TS]

00:23:21   outcome would you have liked to have seen given perfect world I guess I think [TS]

00:23:29   sometimes he would have needed the tweet once there I don't know I guess somehow [TS]

00:23:35   for it never to say never taken off is not right because she did write it and [TS]

00:23:42   so some sort of you write something like that's facing some sort of feedback is [TS]

00:23:46   exactly but that you know i i dont know I wish somehow I do I i don't know I [TS]

00:23:54   just don't feel like it's right that she lost her job or that lost her job [TS]

00:23:58   automatically you know like had no chance to defend yourself you know [TS]

00:24:03   everybody should have a chance to defend themselves and she did the same way but [TS]

00:24:07   the the duct and yeah I wonder about that I really don't like that I don't [TS]

00:24:16   get hand he's paid to pay to do you put a bunch of dudes like that in to [TS]

00:24:24   entertain you and you ask them a question I did well that's it part of [TS]

00:24:28   the reality show concede rate is that this a crazy stuff I I certainly didn't [TS]

00:24:33   agree with any of the things that controversial about his interview I i [TS]

00:24:39   mean i disagree with all them and think you know some of them are just factually [TS]

00:24:42   factually wrong but I didn't think anything he said was sensational or [TS]

00:24:48   hateful [TS]

00:24:49   you know I think it's it's pretty hateful maybe I mean there's no info [TS]

00:24:57   inciting anybody to take action but it's certainly helpful in terms of its [TS]

00:25:03   close-minded [TS]

00:25:04   right well [TS]

00:25:06   maybe hates the wrong word though I don't know i'm always look carefully as [TS]

00:25:10   the word yeah get too used to hate this I scream you know yeah but I did I'd [TS]

00:25:21   never seen the show you know I guess I'd heard of it but I didn't even know it [TS]

00:25:26   was about ducks on the show I thought the family name I thought they were like [TS]

00:25:32   the duck family or something I really did I don't know it's a duck dynasty I [TS]

00:25:36   just figured it was a bunch of you know what's funny is the only reason I came [TS]

00:25:40   to my mind originally was weeks ago when the baseball playoffs for on in there [TS]

00:25:45   are all sorts of people making fun of the Red Sox for their beards and people [TS]

00:25:50   were saying they look like the guys from duck dynasty and that was the first I've [TS]

00:25:54   never even heard of the show it's a show about a bunch of you know bearded [TS]

00:25:59   hillbillies in louisiana and that's all I knew about it until this I don't know [TS]

00:26:04   if I didn't know that until recently like the new season without an Apple had [TS]

00:26:11   it all over their Apple TV and if it's like one of those nice manners how [TS]

00:26:16   really I don't know haven't looked but might just come out of the nation [TS]

00:26:21   I don't be too much into the TV [TS]

00:26:24   but the thing is I i alright so I haven't watched the show so I could be [TS]

00:26:30   far off base but my understanding reading up on this is that anybody who [TS]

00:26:34   does watch the show wasn't the least bit surprised by a single thing that he said [TS]

00:26:39   that got him into trouble this week [TS]

00:26:43   doesn't have a developed right I don't want which is intentional invitees the [TS]

00:26:51   word bible thumping or anything like I am I don't know enough about them have [TS]

00:26:57   never watched the show I know the date they take their religion seriously love [TS]

00:27:04   it too seriously if you ask me [TS]

00:27:06   based on a comment but his aggressive you in both of these cases a lot of sort [TS]

00:27:16   of defenders been saying that it's a matter of free speech which i think is [TS]

00:27:23   just as just a small part I don't think there's any marriage don't know how you [TS]

00:27:28   feel but then we can you repeat the question basically people are saying [TS]

00:27:34   that while these people just exercising their right to free speech rights they [TS]

00:27:38   don't look for it you shouldn't be made it right you know I never seem to get [TS]

00:27:45   there are a lot of people jumping to defend this duck dynasty I mean you know [TS]

00:27:53   major politicians calling it a first-amendment issue first amendment [TS]

00:27:58   freedom of speech [TS]

00:28:01   I don't i think thats yeah I think that's totally off base because the [TS]

00:28:07   freedom of speech means that you can't be arrested for saying things like that [TS]

00:28:11   right [TS]

00:28:12   broke no laws by saying these things that are offensive to many are you can [TS]

00:28:18   say things that are offensive to most you know that you know you're allowed to [TS]

00:28:21   speak up in favor of the Nazi Party in Hitler certainly legally allowed to i [TS]

00:28:29   mean that you know just a pic such an egregious example of something that an [TS]

00:28:34   overwhelming majority of people across any divide would agree is offensive to [TS]

00:28:40   you only as you guys have we do you know honestly I can't say I'm not a hundred [TS]

00:28:47   percent sure whether they are federal or state by state but we do you know the [TS]

00:28:55   general concept being that yes you have to say anything and then effectively if [TS]

00:28:59   you incite hatred and yeah but I think that by the standards of a lot of [TS]

00:29:04   western countries the USS hate speech laws are liberal and face the size favor [TS]

00:29:11   the you know the speaker yes I think some reason strickland's not straight [TS]

00:29:18   but I know you mean a lot of Western Europe as to where just by saying it's [TS]

00:29:23   Jimmy's [TS]

00:29:24   you can't get anywhere you no good reason right and that's not even saying [TS]

00:29:30   I disagree with it brings out it's a perfect example where you're legally not [TS]

00:29:34   allowed to speak in favor of the Tea Partier to display the [TS]

00:29:38   software is in the us- that would not fly would not I don't think we're [TS]

00:29:44   challenged I don't think it would pass you know constitutional muster [TS]

00:29:49   but your freedom of speech does not include the ability to keep your job no [TS]

00:29:55   matter what you say you know especially if your job you know it as public as [TS]

00:30:03   being hit TV show Glee this duck dynasty showing shows how the time but it's [TS]

00:30:12   crazy popular it's like most popular reality show on TV in America so yeah [TS]

00:30:18   you don't have any right to keep your job and so I guess how goes the same for [TS]

00:30:23   Justine yeah I mean I don't think that you know should I don't think she has a [TS]

00:30:28   right to keep her job raced on the fact that she's exercising her free speech I [TS]

00:30:32   think that the company mishandled it scared you know I hate mail the [TS]

00:30:41   beginning right and you know it's a tough call because clearly it's in the [TS]

00:30:45   company's interests to protect the company and demanded have an obligation [TS]

00:30:52   x-ray and you know something like this starts burning up and it just keeps [TS]

00:30:57   getting worse and worse [TS]

00:30:58   hour by hour I mean like more and more you know you know between the seventh [TS]

00:31:03   hour of her 12 hour flight and the ninth hour or twelve hour flight now it's gone [TS]

00:31:07   from the Huffington Post to CNN you know you know that they need to do something [TS]

00:31:14   to do to be a fly on the wall and an airplane and she was blissfully unaware [TS]

00:31:21   of that but I really do think I know that this sounds you know I could be [TS]

00:31:25   wrong because it's so inflammatory [TS]

00:31:28   what she wrote that maybe would have burned up anyway but I really do that it [TS]

00:31:34   was the that that she's locked on a plane for 12 hours I get almost that's [TS]

00:31:40   the part that almost made it seem like it first [TS]

00:31:43   that maybe this is another one of these pranks right and this comes after that [TS]

00:31:47   you line Gail thing with the diana and where again with an airplane and that [TS]

00:31:53   one was hey this plane has wifi you can follow along as I do this my first [TS]

00:31:57   thought too and when I showed it to a Mimis first thought was this is Amy said [TS]

00:32:01   this is fake [TS]

00:32:02   she was a kiss gotta be fake cuz that's good because it's too perfect right it [TS]

00:32:06   is is an inflammatory offensive joke but it's not super on ridiculous it it's not [TS]

00:32:19   impossible to believe that someone would write it right it's not it's it was you [TS]

00:32:23   know if it were faked it was well-crafted and then you know the guy [TS]

00:32:27   was a producer for reality show you right so bright and somebody else is [TS]

00:32:32   aware of what you know captures people's imaginations imagine of some you know [TS]

00:32:36   it's a great scenario imagine you know it's it's it's dramatic imagine if [TS]

00:32:40   somebody tweet something offensive gets on an airplane that's 12 hours long and [TS]

00:32:45   doesn't have inflight wifi and in the meantime it blows up top [TS]

00:32:50   hashtag on Twitter like that sounds like something out of a brilliantly conceived [TS]

00:32:56   fake you know folks right now we're going to do this plan to post read I do [TS]

00:33:03   think like what have you been a twenty-four hours later maybe [TS]

00:33:08   I feel like the oxygen were just got sucked out of the house it's one queen [TS]

00:33:13   and you can only make a bill that one wonder maybe it would have been better [TS]

00:33:20   if it was 24 hours I don't know why I think it was a two hour flight like [TS]

00:33:24   she'd been flying to Berlin or something you know that distance I don't I don't [TS]

00:33:28   think it would have been that big a deal might have blown up a little bit I think [TS]

00:33:31   it would have you know she couldn't write she could have deleted the tweet [TS]

00:33:35   and and you know so here's a question for you first thing she does a person [TS]

00:33:43   but when she discovers it this is crazy she deleted the tweet immediately go to [TS]

00:33:49   bed I think you have to think I don't know I mean it's weird because I know [TS]

00:33:56   that I would probably panic and then delete the tweet and it's you know not [TS]

00:34:01   to but it's like trying to put the genie back in the bottle i mean because you [TS]

00:34:09   know for everybody who just retweeted it and when you use a real the native [TS]

00:34:16   re-try teacher gets deleted the retweet get deleted but for everybody who does [TS]

00:34:22   that there's a lot of other people who still retweet the old way where you type [TS]

00:34:26   party space the username tweet and all the articles are written about him for [TS]

00:34:32   everyone that embeds it using Twitter's and betting pool there's an awful lot of [TS]

00:34:36   people who still just take screenshots of tweets yeah I mean even in people [TS]

00:34:40   know what they saw [TS]

00:34:42   to even meet so I can still see myself wanting to delete the tweet if only you [TS]

00:34:51   were pretending I don't really offending people and let me explain why I think [TS]

00:34:57   just smart thing to do is not delete it addressed to explain that you know [TS]

00:35:02   basically going to a party mode and keep it there for the [TS]

00:35:05   lack of a better term historical record but you know that takes takes takes [TS]

00:35:12   orders at Sydney timeline with all it and it didn't take her long either to [TS]

00:35:18   delete her Twitter account I'm not even sure if she did I'm actually not even [TS]

00:35:22   sure about that because by the time I got up the next day her Twitter account [TS]

00:35:27   is gone so I'm not sure I read somewhere between ten and you can't go home again [TS]

00:35:38   as I don't even know what do you do I don't know but I i say I just do I again [TS]

00:35:43   I don't excuse the treated all day was incredibly you know intensity and to the [TS]

00:35:49   point where I really think that she should have known better I really do you [TS]

00:35:55   know I can imagine some other tweet that might get some people riled up but which [TS]

00:36:00   i think would be a little bit more defensible as a joke I think this is [TS]

00:36:04   pretty hard to defend as a joke but she sounded very good joke right well [TS]

00:36:09   because it's a good because I really do think that you know I really do think [TS]

00:36:13   that aids in africa and the the racial disparity of that situation combined is [TS]

00:36:22   is just gonna put it in a while [TS]

00:36:26   by which I mean you know you know 99.9% you should know better [TS]

00:36:32   but i just think that the reaction and the size of the reaction is just [TS]

00:36:40   disproportionate to the crime you know and it's just this weird way that online [TS]

00:36:45   stuff like this can have repercussions that it's just that there's no analogy [TS]

00:36:52   to anything you know the old internetworld you know and it's sounds [TS]

00:37:00   corny to say hey the whole world you know this is one of those ways the world [TS]

00:37:04   has changed but it's true [TS]

00:37:06   like there is no way that in nineteen I don't know where to pick a bit let's say [TS]

00:37:14   like 75 well even like 1995 I mean I've done in 1995 posted something on AOL I [TS]

00:37:23   mean it's there wasn't anything like Twitter though I don't recall any way [TS]

00:37:27   where any individual AOL user could post something that would blow up like this I [TS]

00:37:32   mean there were you know we had people like I said news Usenet but I mean [TS]

00:37:37   people posted all sorts of crazy shit on Usenet and nothing ever came of it [TS]

00:37:40   because it's just weren't enough people on it you know [TS]

00:37:46   letter to the editor yea in the new york times but they never would have [TS]

00:37:50   published right now it's true though there was no it would never be picked up [TS]

00:37:56   by newspapers which I thought you know the closest you could have gotten [TS]

00:37:59   pre-internet I guess would be a crazed rant on TV like the famous howard beal [TS]

00:38:07   rant in network you know where the network news [TS]

00:38:11   anchored just snaps and decision on that is how long that gonna take anywhere [TS]

00:38:17   just goes on and i cant a game goes on a rant against you know crazy shit was in [TS]

00:38:23   his head but it would be hard it was very few people could have gone crazy on [TS]

00:38:28   you know and then it would really have to be going crazy where she didn't go [TS]

00:38:33   crazy and tweet something she got reckless or she has a blind spot to [TS]

00:38:38   something you know I mean I think she was probably shocked as shit when she [TS]

00:38:42   got off the plane that and I sympathize too because I know what it's like I [TS]

00:38:48   certainly don't know what it's like to make a mistake of that magnitude but I [TS]

00:38:51   know what it's like to make a mistake [TS]

00:38:53   period and then to just sit there and have a GPS stupid mistake because when I [TS]

00:38:59   think I'm sure I say sure I'm nearly sure that she thought that has to be [TS]

00:39:05   going on her head over and over again is how could I be so stupid because it's [TS]

00:39:09   I'll bet it's obvious to her house stupid it was to tweet that as it is [TS]

00:39:13   everybody else yeah I mean I cracked jokes and shit embarrassing an hour to [TS]

00:39:19   lately you can just hanging out man who was a really crappy job and I did this [TS]

00:39:26   is a level you know you're pretty public figures he had a big target on baxley [TS]

00:39:32   did keep up not keep you up at night but you weren't gonna cracks and joke about [TS]

00:39:37   the baseball thing and the interests just gonna go have to I hate to say I [TS]

00:39:43   don't want to say it I don't think so I don't think this thing and say it's all [TS]

00:39:50   about me but it did occur to me like there is a sort of there but for the [TS]

00:39:55   grace of God go I know I got like to think that they have the common sense [TS]

00:39:59   not to tweet something like that just about you i mean that's shared 100 [TS]

00:40:04   followers right and maybe even when you talk baseball right but maybe that [TS]

00:40:09   actually helps someone like me we're obviously if I tweeted something it [TS]

00:40:14   would get me in trouble very very quickly because I have so many followers [TS]

00:40:17   on Twitter but it's the fact that I have so many followers on Twitter that makes [TS]

00:40:20   me [TS]

00:40:21   relatively cautious you know yet again and those context to you because you're [TS]

00:40:28   a public figure like this pushing get retweeted and you have no idea maybe [TS]

00:40:32   she's just like constantly and you just don't know but it's you know it's [TS]

00:40:38   certainly possible you know and it's you know and you might somebody out there [TS]

00:40:41   might think well I don't worry about that because I can't be fired but [TS]

00:40:45   there's no but that's actually not do I couldn't be fired but what would happen [TS]

00:40:50   easily and people would go after this my sponsors take it make it [TS]

00:40:57   poisonous to sponsor my website termite podcast or whatever else and you know [TS]

00:41:03   again if I tweeted something like that maybe rightfully so but you know open up [TS]

00:41:08   for like a red sox tweet but yeah I mean like you let it grow firecrackers been [TS]

00:41:15   trying like but I'm not you know you know somebody who you know Michael [TS]

00:41:23   Bloomberg nobody can scream he's got a billion dollars he could do it [TS]

00:41:26   everyone's yeah somebody is dependent on sponsors you know it's not a single [TS]

00:41:31   source where one you know boss could fire me but it's it's you know I'd [TS]

00:41:36   certainly certainly susceptible to be given out of town [TS]

00:41:40   exactly speaking of which one is how we gonna show they help you transition into [TS]

00:41:48   a good sponsors [TS]

00:41:51   AIDS epidemic well here's a good one this is going to do first two new [TS]

00:42:01   sponsor and against this sounds like a great service it's called simple as I am [TS]

00:42:09   so are you an idea if you travel with your smartphone outside your local [TS]

00:42:18   country you know exactly when I talked about it as soon as you're outside the [TS]

00:42:21   country are roaming in like five hundred dollars a minute for data so the [TS]

00:42:27   smartest thing to do the cheapest way to use your iPhone or any other smartphone [TS]

00:42:31   outside your country are traveling is get a local SIM card with local rates [TS]

00:42:36   where every way cheaper than roaming it it's just just the right way to go [TS]

00:42:42   problem is unfamiliar geography and language barriers make it a pain to find [TS]

00:42:46   a SIM card when you get where you're going and understand what you're getting [TS]

00:42:49   so it's important that it seemed they do it for you go to the website you choose [TS]

00:42:56   your destination for you go tell me your carrier is what wireless package when [TS]

00:43:03   you get a pic from one of their local carriers where you're going and they do [TS]

00:43:06   the rest [TS]

00:43:06   and they'll send you the SIM card to your house for you travel or if you [TS]

00:43:13   prefer or if you're more likely like me and doing it closer to last minute [TS]

00:43:18   they'll send it to your hotel destination so you go I could go to [TS]

00:43:24   Ireland or something like that and then when I get to my hotel right there at [TS]

00:43:28   the desk my name is this package for you from some already have the local SIM [TS]

00:43:34   card so you just go SIM card when you arrive and then you've got data worry [TS]

00:43:39   free and you already know what you're paying you paid for in advance and [TS]

00:43:42   Singaporeans website [TS]

00:43:44   explained it all so there's no hidden costs no bill shock back home ok what [TS]

00:43:50   he'd do well go to their website at symposium dot com as I am like a SIM [TS]

00:43:56   card as I am P O R IU m.com emporium you can check out which countries they serve [TS]

00:44:05   right now they have a little pretty decent lives right now and it's growing [TS]

00:44:09   every week and when you checkout you can use this promo code John sent me Joh an [TS]

00:44:16   SEM TEM and the first thousand orders they use that code it's just for the [TS]

00:44:22   talk shows discriminating audience first thousand orders save they don't pay the [TS]

00:44:26   convenient and that's $5 savings per order [TS]

00:44:30   John sent me at symposium dot com check them out and see what countries they [TS]

00:44:35   have service for great great idea that is a killer idea as you know I you know [TS]

00:44:44   when a conference in Montreal which involved the American desert here and [TS]

00:44:52   this is actually a big deal people keep asking about their SIM cards and [TS]

00:44:56   daydreaming I don't really have a good answer and now I do I i guarantee you [TS]

00:45:03   and I you know I love the sponsors of the show and an enormous number them our [TS]

00:45:10   services and products they use here's one I can't say I have used it I hadn't [TS]

00:45:15   heard of them before this and I haven't been outside the country in a while but [TS]

00:45:21   I'll tell you what next time I leave the country again to you on using some point [TS]

00:45:24   because it is an enormous problem and reducing cost me an arm and a leg to [TS]

00:45:28   travel I always thought that they should and again I don't want to put a crimp in [TS]

00:45:32   singaporeans business but I always thought that the the airlines should [TS]

00:45:37   have something like this where like when they come around with your custom cards [TS]

00:45:41   like 90 minutes [TS]

00:45:42   international flight [TS]

00:45:43   lands they should offer to sell you a local SIM card that's because it seems [TS]

00:45:50   to me like these airlines are looking over everything anyway [TS]

00:45:53   drinks they want to charge for bags are certified that well why not sell you a [TS]

00:46:00   $15 SIM card for $25 anyway but instead you know what they should do is come up [TS]

00:46:08   with ya exactly how come up that way they'll be all hooked up [TS]

00:46:12   country-by-country cus emporiums already done all the work of figuring out which [TS]

00:46:17   local carriers in which countries are available for what I'm gonna definitely [TS]

00:46:22   gonna go with this it looks awesome fantastic sydney is really a brilliant [TS]

00:46:26   idea even if you go to Africa should I forget where I went to one time and I [TS]

00:46:32   just assumed and in Google literally I just assumed that when I got off the [TS]

00:46:37   flight I don't think it was a Heathrow but I think maybe was in Dublin maybe [TS]

00:46:42   was when I went to Dublin for the conference last year so I just figured [TS]

00:46:46   hey you know what I get off the plane and buy a SIM card at the airport and I [TS]

00:46:50   got all the way from my gauge looking scanning back and forth where can i buy [TS]

00:46:55   a SIM card where can i buy a SIM card all the way to like the baggage carousel [TS]

00:46:59   which is like the end of any hope of finding any kind of commercial service [TS]

00:47:03   in a while if there's something there I couldn't find it and i ended up I forget [TS]

00:47:08   what I did but it was a pain in the ass you gonna go this year to you I would [TS]

00:47:15   bet on it I don't have anything booked you you're going to speak their yeah I'm [TS]

00:47:20   excited that I'll go if you're going perfect holiday spectacular coming up [TS]

00:47:25   and I still have more to talk about with you before we bring out the first [TS]

00:47:29   members interests writers Marcos gonna say I guess we should do this or should [TS]

00:47:35   we smell I will save the dramatic reading of the night before Christmas [TS]

00:47:39   but John Siracusa [TS]

00:47:40   well paula has his bell choir thing yeah they're slated there be towards the end [TS]

00:47:52   of a long show probably well brightness up let's talk about something cheerful [TS]

00:48:00   some cheerful hey congrats on being in the year 2013 yeah I was at that was a [TS]

00:48:09   nice to have you in the Vesper Vesper best perhaps was picked by the Apple App [TS]

00:48:16   Store is one of the best productivity apps of 2013 yeah we got it so well [TS]

00:48:24   there you go congratulations you know it's funny I tell you what's funny is I [TS]

00:48:30   said something and I generally I don't talk shop with with the wife very often [TS]

00:48:38   and if I do I'm definitely you know I'm not gonna break so something good [TS]

00:48:44   happened I generally am even less likely but with desperation gets a little [TS]

00:48:49   easier for me to to brag but to say good things because I feel like I can share [TS]

00:48:54   it with others liked when good things happen about during pliable it's just me [TS]

00:48:58   so it's just it's self-serving to mention it whereas I can say you know [TS]

00:49:03   thanks to Dave and Brent got this nice award from Apple and so she went to look [TS]

00:49:10   it up to their own through every single one of these productivity apps because [TS]

00:49:22   she went to the she was on her back and she went to the apt and she knows she [TS]

00:49:26   knows the you know i phone app store and Mac App Store but it's a funny thing is [TS]

00:49:31   I've done a mistake to alone after five minutes but but it just says AppStore [TS]

00:49:36   you go there so she went to the App Store insist look to see what you know [TS]

00:49:39   what they said about Vesper but it wasn't listed because she didn't see [TS]

00:49:44   Europe since anything [TS]

00:49:49   that her shopping getting it to fix it I don't know I don't understand why [TS]

00:50:01   everything separate visits a day to perfectly reasonable thing to do is to [TS]

00:50:05   go to the App Store and to look for now [TS]

00:50:07   well and the other thing to like on the iPhone I never go there and expect to be [TS]

00:50:12   able to find Mac apps but on the Mac I know that I can find iPhone and iPad [TS]

00:50:19   apps they have to go to iTunes it doesn't make you know it makes [TS]

00:50:24   historical sense but it doesn't make logical sense that if you want to find [TS]

00:50:28   iPhone and iOS apps while you're on your Mac you go to iTunes but if you go to [TS]

00:50:33   the App Store yeah I mean my I think this is just another case of iTunes and [TS]

00:50:39   costly for ya [TS]

00:50:42   because the App Store app except in Windows his own practice I almost feel [TS]

00:50:52   though at some point they just should just well actually I don't know that's a [TS]

00:50:59   good question I was gonna say at some point they should just say what if your [TS]

00:51:04   computer is windows but you have an iPad and or iPhone then you got it just you [TS]

00:51:10   two have to use the App Store on your device you can use a computer [TS]

00:51:15   but then I was gonna say but then that would mean you'd only be able to back up [TS]

00:51:18   through iTunes and I don't know if they want to do that I think they want most [TS]

00:51:23   people to use iTunes for back but I don't know that they wanna go iTunes [TS]

00:51:29   only for backup and cloud I don't think they'd actually prefer iCloud iCloud [TS]

00:51:36   yeah right but if they i'm saying no [TS]

00:51:39   yeah I know what you mean maybe no one maybe it's as simple as you just pull [TS]

00:51:43   out the abstract you remove the app stores in my tent just not right and on [TS]

00:51:50   the back you get in saudi at Gap strap like it includes all the iOS and Windows [TS]

00:51:57   well you know you know shit about any device but then how would you still be [TS]

00:52:04   able to back up your device to iTunes on Windows sharia is different from those [TS]

00:52:11   two separate the committee connector thing you get to your device I guess so [TS]

00:52:16   but there's sort of but that's sexy but the way back ups work is it only backup [TS]

00:52:21   your apps right back up your data and then your backup comes and you get your [TS]

00:52:26   data from each of your apps back down the list but then I guess they could do [TS]

00:52:32   it where instead of downloading them or or copying them over from USB from your [TS]

00:52:37   saved copies of the apps in iTunes on your Mac or PC [TS]

00:52:41   you'd have to redownload them over the air to your device you can do it I guess [TS]

00:52:47   I don't know I just sort of feel like eventually they had to cut all that out [TS]

00:52:55   of iTunes gonna have to go right and just make iTunes about buying and plain [TS]

00:53:01   mean we've been saying that for years and I have everybody like iTunes 10 [TS]

00:53:09   its gonna me and I think it's pretty good [TS]

00:53:15   conflicting functions like sticking the App Store on iTunes and other device [TS]

00:53:21   management [TS]

00:53:23   getting weird yeah I think back something different as you remember that [TS]

00:53:33   I forget and you could get like plugins for it to back up all sorts of crazy [TS]

00:53:37   devices to you didn't like my my razor [TS]

00:53:41   your Archos mp3 player yeah oh yeah I think you could use i sync with things [TS]

00:53:48   like that if somebody wrote like a plugin for [TS]

00:53:51   do with crazy found I know that you could do things like plug a razor in and [TS]

00:53:56   get like your contacts synced over and stuff like that [TS]

00:53:59   yeah it's funny because in a lot of ways that worked pretty awesome back in the [TS]

00:54:07   day maybe that was a good Bluetooth thingy could run on your Mac and you can [TS]

00:54:12   connect to it from your let's say your razor and you can use it to sort of [TS]

00:54:18   perform tasks a Mac I making sense Ricky [TS]

00:54:24   she would show up as a device you can be little phone and in like you know tested [TS]

00:54:31   the keypad buttons to skip tracks right but you have to be like 20 clicks like [TS]

00:54:39   into a deep admin you too [TS]

00:54:42   yeah definitely but it worked and was kinda cool yeah yeah let's get back to [TS]

00:54:49   you so you can discover again what a year we shipped late generated camera [TS]

00:54:58   shipped around the same time we shifted we didn't ship until WBC we were like in [TS]

00:55:03   a race against time and shaped like the week before WBC hit the App Store I [TS]

00:55:09   think like the Friday before the Monday yeah she's been out six months [TS]

00:55:14   yeah but we incorporated on 12 12 12 so we've had our one year anniversary [TS]

00:55:24   11 days and we've got you know David I got to work right away so finding a fun [TS]

00:55:33   yeah I really enjoy it I mean not exchange it working on it but it's no [TS]

00:55:41   but it was good to be back [TS]

00:55:43   ya know and I was happy now as it was a year ago and it's good I feel like I've [TS]

00:55:49   guys I've gotten older and even know I was out of doing actual indie [TS]

00:55:54   development for a while there it's just age maybe the cynicism [TS]

00:55:59   the tape cynicism that just builds up over years I've gotten a lot better at [TS]

00:56:05   estimating how long does it take for you actually are you accurate estimate and [TS]

00:56:12   then just like you multiplied by 1.5 or do something or do you actually I figure [TS]

00:56:18   anything you I related will take at least twice as long and that's been [TS]

00:56:22   pretty good and then anything that involves networking by $100 right like [TS]

00:56:33   when I do when I wrote and people thought I was just some people really [TS]

00:56:37   took it the wrong way but when I wrote the thing about that publicly pronounce [TS]

00:56:42   that we're going to work on sink and i said i think is the right thing to do I [TS]

00:56:48   have no regrets over it so far even though in general I'm against renouncing [TS]

00:56:53   anything but I just as for other reasons outlined when I wrote about it [TS]

00:56:56   I think this is an exception that proves the rule but you know how long it's [TS]

00:56:59   gonna take I think here and do I really know or at least I hope it won't but I [TS]

00:57:06   just assume that everything that could possibly go wrong will go wrong here you [TS]

00:57:13   know she said that explicitly in the post right but people took it the wrong [TS]

00:57:20   way where I put it into words some of their actions were you know holy fucking [TS]

00:57:27   shit a year for saying they added their minds you know I thought these guys knew [TS]

00:57:31   what the hell they were doing the right thing is hard I don't need to bring down [TS]

00:57:44   to do with it and i can state is sort of them number one requested by far away I [TS]

00:57:52   don't even and that's you know it's it's it's it's I forget there's all sorts of [TS]

00:58:00   analogies but it's more like like other feature requests are planets and [TS]

00:58:05   asteroids and sink is the Sun around which all of them you know there are no [TS]

00:58:11   other feature requests other than saying in some arguments in some ways of [TS]

00:58:15   looking at it as people you know I'm Brenda said you know said this before [TS]

00:58:19   before we pronounce sink and people would say well how come it doesn't have [TS]

00:58:24   an iPad version on iPad version doesn't make sense until you think because when [TS]

00:58:28   I say can't but you know what i mean they can't have [TS]

00:58:33   universal iPhone and iPad and not have them sink the data between them but it [TS]

00:58:39   would really be stupid to me would confuse people I meet people with just [TS]

00:58:43   you know rightfully would assume that it must think somehow and then when they [TS]

00:58:47   didn't they'd be like I don't I don't understand what I'm doing and so single [TS]

00:58:53   comes before anything because people are asking for things like what about an [TS]

00:58:56   iPad version Mac version how about some of these other features and there's all [TS]

00:59:00   sorts of great features but it's you know without saying it doesn't make [TS]

00:59:04   sense but on the other hand you know there's all sorts of other people who've [TS]

00:59:08   said many times will how did you ever ship without saying but I don't know [TS]

00:59:13   that we I don't think we would be a single day ahead of where we are today [TS]

00:59:17   if we had waited for sank so we spent the last seven months making money in [TS]

00:59:24   the App Store we have been making $0 working like what you have been doing [TS]

00:59:32   right you know is I you know you're costing anytime just in would've been [TS]

00:59:40   WAY harder to justify spending that amount of time doing actually ships and [TS]

00:59:44   also maybe I'm just weird I don't know if I care too much about sink Vesper ok [TS]

00:59:55   mostly just using my phone I use it cost me but I don't care about that some [TS]

01:00:01   reason it's a reasonable argument I mean it I get frustrated sometimes because [TS]

01:00:07   I'll be there at my Mac and here's a paragraph of texas is it or an address [TS]

01:00:11   or something and I just want to stick it on my phone real quick and it has to be [TS]

01:00:15   a perfect place to stick it but it's like they're getting it from a to be you [TS]

01:00:20   know without some kind of thinking thing is you know it's convoluted email in [TS]

01:00:26   which out to the tappets think a spot [TS]

01:00:29   you know but then all of a sudden you're tapping this tap tap in a dapper loading [TS]

01:00:33   an email waiting for an email accompanying copying and pasting in a [TS]

01:00:39   bit of a dance and all I wanted to do was put my you know airplane reservation [TS]

01:00:44   number investor so that when I get to the airport I type this code in and I [TS]

01:00:48   know where it is but on the other hand the reasons we got away with it is that [TS]

01:00:54   one of the things you know we're looking to see this is replacing is like a [TS]

01:00:59   notebook that you put your pocket or something like that like the fact that [TS]

01:01:03   we want iPhone first is not coincidence and I think the iPhone version is the [TS]

01:01:07   one that is most usable without saying because it's just like a little thing in [TS]

01:01:12   your pocket where you can yeah I mean I i and abusing it digital field never [TS]

01:01:18   carried you feel so I actually got my shopping list in which is conscious [TS]

01:01:23   about my shopping apps and you can type in and you can check them off but it [TS]

01:01:32   just ended his investors should manually deleting a line or two I just give in [TS]

01:01:38   areas to use notes now he's faster so you know what I i I've used for that too [TS]

01:01:49   for certain things but then see ya soon as you mentioned that people people love [TS]

01:01:52   taps and list after hardly good list at so many cool features a you can do in a [TS]

01:01:58   list app if it's really about lists and thats we have a whole slew there's a [TS]

01:02:02   whole family of feature requests that are all about like shopping list I'll [TS]

01:02:10   stuff that I've never even really do because it's almost like a different [TS]

01:02:14   genre that range honor of happened useful one [TS]

01:02:19   but one that is sort of its removes takes away from the simplicity I have a [TS]

01:02:27   bunch of them there's a bunch of good ones I don't think around my favorite [TS]

01:02:31   right from Mohawk nice haha yeah they're cheap so I call it but maybe it is [TS]

01:02:42   either because it only one team the name of the average ITA yes I T A but if it [TS]

01:02:48   was as if they wanted me to say I have always said it in my head but I would [TS]

01:02:52   require a 72-70 yeah also I think you get item from that it's whatever school [TS]

01:03:02   domination [TS]

01:03:03   grade so I do I do I do you get a strong so I did it is for lists it is actually [TS]

01:03:15   to me a very good companion Vesper because it in the same way that Vesper [TS]

01:03:20   doesn't have a specific features it doesn't have note features where there [TS]

01:03:28   is no way that you can trade over trade texting right there's no way to say well [TS]

01:03:34   this one item I want to put a whole paragraph text know you all you get is [TS]

01:03:38   what you can fit on the one line of sixteen point of medaka [TS]

01:03:42   I have a list in Idaho use every single time I travel every time it's just pack [TS]

01:03:48   list and it's just everything that I might wanna take on a trip and then when [TS]

01:03:54   I leave the house I just uncheck all of them and then every time I go anywhere I [TS]

01:03:59   just go through this list and some of them I want pack and I don't check after [TS]

01:04:04   I pack and others like a fun going to Montreal I obviously don't need [TS]

01:04:08   sunscreen [TS]

01:04:09   but I'll just tap it because I don't need it either I every time I tapped [TS]

01:04:13   consider these right and and then every time I have left and forgotten something [TS]

01:04:20   like forgot blank then I added to that list and some point you know like within [TS]

01:04:26   like eight months of using that West I'd forgotten everything I could possibly [TS]

01:04:32   forget and so now I've got a list of everything and ever since I've never [TS]

01:04:38   once forgotten anything important [TS]

01:04:41   that's a good idea that's like marilyn lovell liked it [TS]

01:04:47   yeah Maryland will be coming in later life at the north pole for the rest of [TS]

01:04:53   the Holiday Spectacular so how is that 2013 few let's I mean take a second [TS]

01:05:03   break I'll take it cause I think we have a cause its wholly spectacular we have a [TS]

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01:07:15   show so go up in the dotnet [TS]

01:07:21   done in 45 all you know it's a good question I it's it's like probably some [TS]

01:07:30   kind of mental deficiency my dot com do I do I do have the dot-com people used [TS]

01:07:38   to ask me this all the time and I think it's one of those signs of how daring [TS]

01:07:42   fireball [TS]

01:07:43   has sort of been around long enough that whatever is odd and unusual about it [TS]

01:07:49   people just accept because that's just how it is right people don't complain [TS]

01:07:52   about the color scheme [TS]

01:07:55   anywhere near as much as they did the first three four five years first three [TS]

01:07:59   four five years [TS]

01:08:00   everyday somebody would complain about the colors now people don't complain [TS]

01:08:03   about the colors now shifted to the texts allegedly small yes but that's a [TS]

01:08:08   big difference there is that they're actually write the difference with the [TS]

01:08:11   text sizes that it's overdue for a gentle redesign with larger type [TS]

01:08:16   actually just did the double tap thing just to center that collin everything's [TS]

01:08:20   perfect so big they had done it was so this would only do that from 2001 you [TS]

01:08:30   know I actually don't remember when I registered the domain possible I [TS]

01:08:34   registered a few years before the site of launched because I had the idea of [TS]

01:08:38   you know the name long long time before I start let's remember when top-level [TS]

01:08:43   domains actually used to be something gassy and this is a non profit can now [TS]

01:08:50   see you get that with done in the old days like to meet this is my ass beat ya [TS]

01:08:58   un dia the original ideas at least in Aus was that you could choose between [TS]

01:09:03   dot org dot net dot com like I would feel guilty registering it done or I [TS]

01:09:10   would've back in the day these days [TS]

01:09:12   well you know but he has a dot org right and that speaks to the fact that back [TS]

01:09:18   then it was a little you know it was a little nebulous when you registered a [TS]

01:09:23   personal site because it didn't fit in anything [TS]

01:09:26   dot org was meant for like nonprofits or something like that like the red cross [TS]

01:09:31   train killing nearly a dot dot com was for calm for commercial commercial [TS]

01:09:39   business and you know cut his blog wasn't commercial at first during [TS]

01:09:44   fireball wasn't at first [TS]

01:09:46   and.net was for like things related to the network itself like ISPs some kind [TS]

01:09:55   of like a DNS server something like that and so that was just what I just want to [TS]

01:10:00   say to host you know my stupid rants about the Finder [TS]

01:10:04   it didn't fit into any but the one that I thought I always thought maybe I miss [TS]

01:10:09   remembering us but I seem to recall that I can or whoever is in charge and that [TS]

01:10:14   dot net was the first one where they were like a forget about that networking [TS]

01:10:18   thing you just use this one for whatever and so to me it sounded just [TS]

01:10:23   semantically [TS]

01:10:25   resort reorganization com for commerce and then there's net for life [TS]

01:10:30   the internet and so to me dotnet always felt like the one that was the most [TS]

01:10:35   neutral and expense it just seemed to me like it just meant you're on the [TS]

01:10:41   internet it's you know and I know that they've since added it they've since [TS]

01:10:46   added like a dot web host Gators sales at in which case although I probably [TS]

01:10:55   wouldn't like that either because to me the web is specifically HTTP in a web [TS]

01:11:00   browser and then never knew no way too much about the mixup a domain name with [TS]

01:11:05   the service name right at the front [TS]

01:11:08   have to be done at WWW dot right and who's to say that it's always going to [TS]

01:11:12   be a website you know theory it could be you know look at something like the [TS]

01:11:17   magazine magazine where they've got you know they're publishing in apps but they [TS]

01:11:23   need a domain name for you know sending people to sign up I would not comment [TS]

01:11:27   but I that's why it's during fireball dotnet as the primary domain and the [TS]

01:11:33   dot-com which are registered at the same time as always just forwarded over its [TS]

01:11:39   ok well I mean I imagine I just going with dot com [TS]

01:11:43   I mean minds what can be done calm and I went with calm just because whenever [TS]

01:11:47   they get it had that it had that cachet that goes with the big kids have I dot [TS]

01:11:58   com just filled up immediately it's kind of silly is still the apple tree and you [TS]

01:12:03   you know the way I mean know very well how easily I will piss away money right [TS]

01:12:10   away money on anything up his blackjack I mean anything shiny I just Romania but [TS]

01:12:18   I you know actually bought me shoes and a cocktail exactly you're wearing shoes [TS]

01:12:23   at the time and cost me like I don't know $12 a year to keep renewing during [TS]

01:12:31   for about.com at least a nine at some point I was smart and is registered in [TS]

01:12:35   Walford 67 years although I don't know if thats Marquez 67 years from now who [TS]

01:12:40   knows him forget to renew that [TS]

01:12:43   you know you gotta keep I mean you can't give up dot com no know anybody but I [TS]

01:12:50   love it but originally I came really close to not registering it because I [TS]

01:12:54   kind of had the intention on a publisher dot net and I thought should I buy the [TS]

01:12:58   dot-com 2 I'm not going to use it separately cuz that would be confusing [TS]

01:13:01   like if I had a podcast it during fireball dot com website ado.net well [TS]

01:13:07   that's confusing as hell yeah nobody would do that and I thought well maybe [TS]

01:13:12   I'll come to regret it and I'll switch it over if I ever decide maybe I should [TS]

01:13:17   make dot com primary I'd like to have it and I that was sort of why I did it but [TS]

01:13:24   then in hindsight it very clear that was smart to do it because some jerk would [TS]

01:13:28   have done it and there's I think that there's a whole bunch of other daring [TS]

01:13:31   fireball . blah blah blah in a weird answer we had a storming here I think [TS]

01:13:38   somebody has the dot org [TS]

01:13:40   which I decided not to get as I thought you know what one's enough but it would [TS]

01:13:47   be a scam people and he put his name on it as well and I now feel like we're [TS]

01:13:56   gonna get back to the shaming people on the internet [TS]

01:14:06   I don't know if they're really yeah it's so somebody say it looks legit not [TS]

01:14:14   repainting your stuff right but it's a non think it's up to date either June 27 [TS]

01:14:22   2012 yeah so it's not being actively used no but on the other hand he's not [TS]

01:14:28   being a dick so you know whatever it is what it is right [TS]

01:14:33   yeah so you can go there and make of it what you will [TS]

01:14:36   I was a bit of an ass a Hostgator yeah you go there and register your done that [TS]

01:14:52   so hows 2013 view I don't know if you like it from Holiday Spectacular yeah [TS]

01:15:00   it's the time to sing songs in and look back and we had a good year you know the [TS]

01:15:07   work he's the star was spectacular I lined up I saw funny tweet about that [TS]

01:15:16   somebody tweeted it was you know what I never remember where these treats come [TS]

01:15:22   from so I can give people credit but it was funny because they do not whatever [TS]

01:15:25   you think however iris however I wrote much ironic fun you think you're gonna [TS]

01:15:31   have do not watch the Star Wars Holiday Special from 1977 you'll never get that [TS]

01:15:38   our back you know what I've never seen it and after like I have every now and [TS]

01:15:44   then it comes to mind reaction was that I saw five minutes of it [TS]

01:15:49   years ago I think a trios under duress Politics blog called eschaton blog years [TS]

01:15:59   ago I mean like may have been [TS]

01:16:02   ten years ago linked to like a five-minute YouTube clip of it and it [TS]

01:16:07   was enough was enough and I mean for as much as I did hand on shooting first [TS]

01:16:14   character and just have a feeling that that special suits you really yeah it's [TS]

01:16:24   interesting because if you didn't know better you would assume that somehow it [TS]

01:16:28   was like a rip off and you might think well it was maybe it was an outright [TS]

01:16:31   theft but that there was some kind of bizarre clause in George Lucas's [TS]

01:16:35   contract with 20th Century Fox that allowed me to do this and that nobody is [TS]

01:16:42   more upset about it than George Lucas but you know George Lucas [TS]

01:16:45   like when we get now of TV time he was i thinkin like whatever else and it turns [TS]

01:16:53   into this region awful special rate and Mike in the minds of some of whom he [TS]

01:16:58   knew George Lucas at the time maybe even new American Graffiti and thx 1138 which [TS]

01:17:05   were great [TS]

01:17:06   certainly you know far less well-known a mass market than Star Wars but both [TS]

01:17:12   great truly great films that that that precede him as a genius that he was [TS]

01:17:20   really one of the great seventies filmmakers exactly really was awesome [TS]

01:17:24   period but the top you know and and you know followed Star Wars up you didn't [TS]

01:17:30   direct but did you know certainly you know he likewise I directed Empire [TS]

01:17:34   Strikes Back and even employ even Return of the Jedi great great movie finished [TS]

01:17:38   Grey trilogy but in hindsight knowing a lot of the Oakland Raiders of the Lost [TS]

01:17:43   Ark which he wrote and you know collaborated with Steven Spielberg on [TS]

01:17:47   this great run [TS]

01:17:49   amazing movies and stuff to talk about endlessly today the Star Wars Holiday [TS]

01:17:55   Special is that COO [TS]

01:17:58   guy he did howard the dock with the guy who is the guy did the second trilogy [TS]

01:18:05   the guy who did Jar Jar Binks [TS]

01:18:08   it's all there it all makes sense in in hindsight take his whole career in in [TS]

01:18:16   retrospect and you can you think yeah it's like he had his and garden and they [TS]

01:18:23   give you pedal perfectly placed in a bonsai trees in this just turns sitting [TS]

01:18:26   in the middle of it like it's kind of weird which is a special and then you [TS]

01:18:32   know thirty years dental I know things just a little box house may 2013 I think [TS]

01:18:39   it was pretty good I think it was pretty good I would say I'm pretty proud again [TS]

01:18:46   I don't mean to brag about it but I did you know down but the whole thing worked [TS]

01:18:52   out well enough and I've had a lot of fun doing it you know and I've never if [TS]

01:18:57   there's anything nagging in the back of my head at all times it's that I don't [TS]

01:19:02   want to get complacent because during fireball has become so successful and I [TS]

01:19:08   did you write to me not only is that dangerous in that it could lead to me in [TS]

01:19:14   a losing relevance and losing the success they had [TS]

01:19:20   but that it's you know it's just no way to go through life you know should never [TS]

01:19:24   rest on your laurels you know I was happy to see this would do well and I [TS]

01:19:34   don't know it's kind of easy to say that well it's you know this may not have a [TS]

01:19:38   huge profile but you know you inventive large fines [TS]

01:19:43   people going to pick up the apt matter what platform in which to it but that's [TS]

01:19:49   actually just a pretty good at so I guess I'm trying to say look I don't [TS]

01:19:56   think this success is predicated upon you sustain its I know she would have [TS]

01:20:01   had to scale well we would have had we would have had the opening weekend I [TS]

01:20:11   think this with jacket last week but you know I'd really do firmly believe in the [TS]

01:20:17   long run the app has to speak for itself and no doubt in my mind whatsoever of [TS]

01:20:22   course during firebomb Brent being Brent Simmons obviously gave us a leg up in [TS]

01:20:29   terms of initial publicity but in the long run that's that that can sustain [TS]

01:20:38   iya yeah I know what your graph looks like that we had a huge opening and then [TS]

01:20:41   you know looks kinda depressed he knows that not not that embarrassingly so not [TS]

01:20:48   doing business bit like the opening weekend kinda thing is you know you can [TS]

01:20:54   tell when movies back a lot of it is that kind of business is surprisingly [TS]

01:20:59   getting more and more like and it's because of the just the nature of yet to [TS]

01:21:09   be against the gate push and then after that I spend a lot of money on ads you [TS]

01:21:14   know what [TS]

01:21:14   even just as recent as like when I was a bare-bones software from 2000 to 2002 [TS]

01:21:21   I mean the internet was certainly a thing I mean it was 2004 while website [TS]

01:21:27   publicity was important but we definitely still saw major spikes when [TS]

01:21:33   like macworld reviews came out in print that was a big deal because there are an [TS]

01:21:38   awful lot of people do that when they found out there was a new version of BB [TS]

01:21:41   at it was when the you know three months later when the Virgin macworld came out [TS]

01:21:46   with the review yeah makes sense you know if you get a Mac old Oxbow even [TS]

01:21:55   courtesy to skew of the demographic there an excuse a little bit you know i [TS]

01:22:03   mean and tired Mac people and had been feeling twenty thirty years and used to [TS]

01:22:12   be called was the go-to place where you get any kind of you know recognition and [TS]

01:22:20   even then though there was definitely a spike when new versions came out because [TS]

01:22:24   I think I remember it was a visceral was that the time BBEdit shipped a lot of [TS]

01:22:30   hardware copies you know like actual boxes with a CD and printed user manual [TS]

01:22:36   and like one would have liked a major version 7.0 is the biggest version when [TS]

01:22:43   I was there which was the first native Pakistan version [TS]

01:22:47   and I just remembered like when the boxes came in it was like it was kind of [TS]

01:22:53   awesome it was actually miss it because it was like holy shit I had I you know I [TS]

01:22:59   played a part in that and it's just a mountain of physical objects like like a [TS]

01:23:04   truck load of boxes was like wow you must have had that throughout when you [TS]

01:23:09   go to a store near you see something that you helped create like on the shelf [TS]

01:23:14   in physical form oh it was it was true with PBS because you know I love that I [TS]

01:23:22   still have box schemes and it worked on my bookshelf I start especially of all [TS]

01:23:29   the ones from before their 2011 I'm proud of the credits but yeah it was [TS]

01:23:39   totally cool that to go into their first couple of the Apple stores in [TS]

01:23:44   Massachusetts and CBS shells I say go in and do like what people do like in [TS]

01:23:50   bookstores when they have a book I put it put a better spot on the show lower [TS]

01:23:57   it down said that it was the top she'll be like no no no did the same thing can [TS]

01:24:06   do that these days can't just take command of the App Store in with all the [TS]

01:24:13   conversations we've had recently about jackass buried or you know gimmicky [TS]

01:24:19   moves in the App Store anybody he just going to move around it'll be kind of [TS]

01:24:28   fun in a wild west kind of way right thing [TS]

01:24:39   so your comments as the China come above freezing this somebody who's been [TS]

01:24:50   happier still on time sort of college your comment is being added developer [TS]

01:24:55   the fact that you call for a one-story do I don't think it's a developer [TS]

01:25:04   because again you are a developer and you get plenty of one-star reviews for [TS]

01:25:08   his missing right which is clearly think you should be getting was very true yes [TS]

01:25:17   it is true and so if you really think that makes it one star at least you're [TS]

01:25:22   you know it is I told him I told you and I actually read all of the movies we get [TS]

01:25:29   food and even then once I actually find CBS you know like getting a one-star [TS]

01:25:35   review for Missing Sync is actually in for me so I don't think your call for [TS]

01:25:41   the Western thing was anti developer I do thinkers maybe a bit of a dick [TS]

01:25:46   massage maybe and it comes back to what we talked about before about what [TS]

01:25:53   happens when you have a major platform like when you're in charge of buzz feeds [TS]

01:25:58   hundred thousand subscriber Twitter feed and you are drawing attention to tweet [TS]

01:26:05   about Africa [TS]

01:26:06   she thought was only going out to her $200 yeah and I will say this to defend [TS]

01:26:13   her but that it is also very possible and perhaps even easy given that the [TS]

01:26:18   last like four hundred tweet she wrote went to two hundred people to assume the [TS]

01:26:22   next one would go to 200 people to you know and that you just sort of forget [TS]

01:26:27   that you are [TS]

01:26:28   one retreating away from going out to a hundred thousand exam and I'm cognizant [TS]

01:26:33   of that and I you know I worry you know like you asked me if I worry I do a [TS]

01:26:38   little because on the one hand I'm cognizant of it and so I want to be a [TS]

01:26:43   little bit more careful than maybe I used to have to beat circa 2003 2004 [TS]

01:26:47   2005 but on the other hand I don't want to neuter the site and take all the pics [TS]

01:26:51   of it and I give you i think i i do think the country view is a bit of a [TS]

01:27:01   heavy-handed think only because of the way to eat throughout these days you [TS]

01:27:08   know if there's only one thing I regret about it and like you know I want to [TS]

01:27:12   rehash the whole thing I did a lot more research about it though you're not [TS]

01:27:15   since last week before last week but I think it's shitty practice well and [TS]

01:27:21   looks like the one thing that I don't know and it was like something that I [TS]

01:27:24   knew vaguely annoyed me and I was like constant grain of sand in my eyes and my [TS]

01:27:30   shoe every time I came up but until I really studied it and looked into it I [TS]

01:27:35   didn't really realize just how often even I was seen just how often and it [TS]

01:27:40   wasn't like I said like dan linemen on Twitter went through this irate project [TS]

01:27:45   that I figured out oh my god this is the project almost everybody is using [TS]

01:27:49   because this dialog box especially in 08 with the note thanks at the bottom you [TS]

01:27:54   can customize all these strings and a lot of people do but the the whole idea [TS]

01:27:59   that it's three buttons rate ask me later and no thanks and that's exactly [TS]

01:28:05   the same and that it is that what no thank the code path for no thanks [TS]

01:28:14   is don't ask again for this version but do ask again as soon as there's a new [TS]

01:28:20   version [TS]

01:28:20   of the app explained everything that has been going through my head for like two [TS]

01:28:26   years and again that was a positive outcome damn looked into it the [TS]

01:28:35   developer at Longwood they clamored thank you I don't have fixed it [TS]

01:28:44   basically effectively towards your specifications and even though there's [TS]

01:28:51   people who are still defending staunchly the old way of doing it which is that in [TS]

01:28:55   the App Store your apps get reset with each version and therefore there are [TS]

01:29:00   people who do still support the idea that yes you should ask your users every [TS]

01:29:05   single time even if they said no thanks [TS]

01:29:09   which means crazy to me that's what i mean here's the thing is that it's just [TS]

01:29:15   there this is not like a developer pro-consumer think there is designed you [TS]

01:29:21   do you design the software to serve the requirements of the user popping up a [TS]

01:29:29   dialog box begging for reading Eden wording in a way to encourage higher [TS]

01:29:36   ratings that is not servicing user that is serving your own self-interest it's [TS]

01:29:41   giving it your problem it is a problem is your problem it's not the user's [TS]

01:29:46   problem now so the problem I have with sort of the counter-argument to to your [TS]

01:29:53   position is dead [TS]

01:29:55   it's not that you're being ante developer is your [TS]

01:29:55   it's not that you're being ante developer is your [TS]

01:30:00   certain maybe maybe a little myopathy focused on serving seven user which I [TS]

01:30:08   agree is probably the right thing like what I would like to see is everybody [TS]

01:30:12   agrees it like yes popping these things up is bullshit and it is in no way [TS]

01:30:16   service user just doesn't do it it helps the company survive and so maybe an [TS]

01:30:22   event about what he can say they are you gonna get support longer but at that [TS]

01:30:25   moment the user is not in any way interested in meeting your head and your [TS]

01:30:31   kind of presenting them you're interrupting you at the very least [TS]

01:30:35   you're interrupting witches can bend over backwards never to interrupt the [TS]

01:30:39   user with dumbass down boxes why you do it in this case except that will you [TS]

01:30:45   feel it's essential to your business and that's rough but at least admit Mike [TS]

01:30:51   yeah we made an anti usability decision in order to support our business because [TS]

01:30:56   that's the way we had to do it all and shareware irate recipe or or library [TS]

01:31:02   whatever you wanna call it and like I suspected all along I do think it was [TS]

01:31:07   written in with nothing but good intentions i dont everybody's acting [TS]

01:31:14   it's just there was a whole bunch of things that he never thought about and [TS]

01:31:20   that everybody using it seemingly never really thought about like that there [TS]

01:31:27   really should be a way that you can just say never show me this again I really [TS]

01:31:31   don't care yeah and well wherever he changed it and like for example one of [TS]

01:31:36   the things I find maddening about it is that to me it seems to pop up randomly [TS]

01:31:40   but apparently it's like like the intention of that was when we don't [TS]

01:31:44   wanna bug you immediately upon launching the app because you just launched the [TS]

01:31:47   avenue probably have something in your head that you want to do so we don't [TS]

01:31:50   want to interrupt you then [TS]

01:31:51   you know that there's some it tries to be intelligent about when it pops up but [TS]

01:31:55   actually just end up seeming random and I is no good heuristic [TS]

01:32:01   interrupting you use I still think the to me that my favorite example of this [TS]

01:32:04   and I just can't believe the timing of it is the way that Kevin Systrom [TS]

01:32:08   Instagram founder was interrupted during his onstage by his own out and it's [TS]

01:32:15   because they're using irate and it was like trying to be clever about when it [TS]

01:32:19   showed it to him so no matter how many times he rehearsed it before it like he [TS]

01:32:23   ran into the heuristic that was a bug you right away when you first [TS]

01:32:27   updated and we don't want to bug you when you first launch the app so we just [TS]

01:32:30   did it halfway through while you're on the go to bed well it doesn't handle and [TS]

01:32:39   handled it with a plan as if there's one thing there is one thing if I could do [TS]

01:32:42   anything different I don't regret raising the awareness of this I don't [TS]

01:32:46   think it's good things have come of it I think they'll continue to come up with [TS]

01:32:49   is one thing I regret its the one-star thing which and a couple people have [TS]

01:32:54   suggested alternate here you know like idea which would be like raided but give [TS]

01:33:00   it like one star fewer than you think the app would otherwise deserve so [TS]

01:33:04   giving 01 total star give it one fewer you would've given forgiven three or [TS]

01:33:08   maybe even mention it mentioned and maybe if you're super annoyed by it [TS]

01:33:13   maybe give it to fewer stars so give it three instead of five instead of four [TS]

01:33:18   and mention and be you know and and go over you know bend over backwards in [TS]

01:33:24   your comments to say it's you know otherwise a great appetite you doing it [TS]

01:33:28   for this [TS]

01:33:29   because I do think heard in the overall average rating of the app is an [TS]

01:33:35   effective way to get developers to stop doing this because the whole reason is [TS]

01:33:38   doing first place is because they're concerned with their ratings and I think [TS]

01:33:44   it is unfair to end and like you going back to your idea that that that my [TS]

01:33:50   whole stances developer hostile well I think it helps right but that there's a [TS]

01:33:56   perception that it is but what about the developers who have deliberately not [TS]

01:34:01   done us specifically because even though they know that they would get more [TS]

01:34:05   reviews and that most of those reviews have been positive and that you can do [TS]

01:34:09   certain tricks with the way you word the dialogue to try to only steer people [TS]

01:34:13   there who want to leave good reviews which i think is a shady practice you [TS]

01:34:18   know I think it's get it steers the whole thing even more SEO like spamming [TS]

01:34:23   us but anyway the developers have resisted doing this at all and don't [TS]

01:34:29   have anything in there that pops up a dialog to do it [TS]

01:34:32   are hurt by the developers who do because it works I could see getting [TS]

01:34:37   arms so you make it so it doesn't work and then everybody's and then you know I [TS]

01:34:42   think implicitly [TS]

01:34:44   it helps the developers have never done it in the first place and I had a good [TS]

01:34:51   time with it [TS]

01:34:52   reaction I think I don't necessarily CD guiding so there's two ways of seeing [TS]

01:35:00   then where you just called she practice read there is either you gotten good [TS]

01:35:04   reviews to give you a good start hating personally I would rather if somebody [TS]

01:35:10   had a issue with the app I would rather have to follow support ticket because I [TS]

01:35:16   can deal with them and help them well let's get back to that is what I wanted [TS]

01:35:20   to hold that thought because joking and I didn't talk about that and I do think [TS]

01:35:24   it's one of the interesting things that a lot of people don't understand about [TS]

01:35:29   the Appstore for Mac and iOS but let me talk about another sponsor our old [TS]

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01:36:40   I'll give you the address and second ago they've case studies and examples of [TS]

01:36:43   organizations that went from you know three four five mail servers down to [TS]

01:36:48   just one because 90% of what they're dealing with his junk and once they [TS]

01:36:54   started using mail route the junctions 10 and then your mail server all it has [TS]

01:37:00   to do is actually serve the real email to your users which is way way way way [TS]

01:37:06   WAY less stressful than having to do all the spam and virus filtering fully [TS]

01:37:13   customizable they have an API so if your program where you can customize it [TS]

01:37:18   through your own scripts they've been interface for filter you know changing [TS]

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01:37:30   truly customizable they really know how nerds 10 have everything just the way [TS]

01:37:36   they want it with them now how do you know where to go to find out more go to [TS]

01:37:41   mail round dot net there's no one around dotnet they know what they're doing [TS]

01:37:47   / the talk show in that way they will know that you came here through the show [TS]

01:37:53   but it's a great service every week I think it's where they could come back on [TS]

01:37:58   the show by the emails and tweets from people who are like a sign up for I [TS]

01:38:01   cannot believe you know how accurate the spam filter is gets it all very very few [TS]

01:38:07   false positives it's just a great service couldn't be easier she was [TS]

01:38:14   talking about asking users for reviews are our email feedback and this is a [TS]

01:38:20   huge problem on the App Store is that users will go there is like a bug or a [TS]

01:38:28   misunderstanding about the way it works for a feature request and then they [TS]

01:38:32   leave it as a review and not only is it not really what a review is for [TS]

01:38:37   especially if it's a bug but and I don't think people know this developers can't [TS]

01:38:42   respond to the comments on the App Store [TS]

01:38:45   I don't think that these people are acting in bad faith I think did you know [TS]

01:38:50   what they don't know where to put to use a perfectly reasonable thing to do I [TS]

01:38:54   just can't help you and I'm sorry well and it's super frustrating when it's [TS]

01:38:59   like a known issue that you have work around four or you know what's causing [TS]

01:39:05   it and if you know if they wrote an email you could write them back and it's [TS]

01:39:09   like such a frequently asked question her frequently hit bug they have a good [TS]

01:39:14   text expander snippet that explains it all when you see it on on an App Store [TS]

01:39:20   review and it's just there you know App Store suit on and you can't get in touch [TS]

01:39:25   with them and there's no way to be both ways I've seen as one did you only want [TS]

01:39:32   to read you and I feel little bit better vigils process of five star review and [TS]

01:39:39   it said crashes all the time and a MacBook Pro [TS]

01:39:44   and it doesn't mean we haven't seen them one of the christmas background as I [TS]

01:39:48   don't know so I don't know what's happening and a cracked a joke on [TS]

01:39:51   Twitter but it and then reposted it is a one-star review and good for him it's [TS]

01:39:59   true that experience as bad I can't help him I don't know and so it's not like I [TS]

01:40:05   can give you a text expansion and fixes I wanna know what the hell is going on [TS]

01:40:10   with you because maybe this is a texting other people this is not like you know [TS]

01:40:14   when you get a letter should politician you like well at Kansas 10 people [TS]

01:40:17   getting pissed offer right now it captures actually wanted to fix these [TS]

01:40:22   issues right now and it's you know it's true with radars up with Apple where you [TS]

01:40:28   know just because you know other people have filed a date you really should file [TS]

01:40:32   the dupes because it gives them a sense of how many people are are encountering [TS]

01:40:36   it I am I can't recall i mean nobody loves dealing no developer love dealing [TS]

01:40:42   with tech support but you do want to find out about bugs especially over at [TS]

01:40:49   least you do take pride in your work and getting duplicate bug reports is super [TS]

01:40:54   helpful because it helps you prioritize them right if you suspect that there is [TS]

01:40:59   1 user who when they increase the font size and then they do something that [TS]

01:41:05   they can't quite reproduce but it crashes the app it makes you a lot less [TS]

01:41:09   likely to chase that down then if you've gotten in the last month 8 bug reports [TS]

01:41:14   all saying that they increase the font size and then even though none of them [TS]

01:41:18   maybe have the steps but eight people have had the app crash after they've [TS]

01:41:21   increase the font size then you you know you think one now [TS]

01:41:25   this man and maybe you can triangulate it from the steps that they did mention [TS]

01:41:29   they did afterwards that's the big thing is that regulation and again it's not [TS]

01:41:34   it's not any individuals problems are important it's sort of an aggregate [TS]

01:41:48   effect I do you need to sort of like if there's one guy it's just crashing [TS]

01:41:54   everytime he lunges and it's only one guy well that sucks I use your money [TS]

01:41:59   back had better give you my back and if there is a bug it hits a couple hundred [TS]

01:42:04   people that's probably the better prom to address because again you know we're [TS]

01:42:12   both small companies really quick an even bigger companies can mention that [TS]

01:42:18   cannot be said napkin by name because people might be confused you're talking [TS]

01:42:22   about a Mac app called napkin and that's your job to be a parish do it in your [TS]

01:42:28   company has aged in distilled yes I've mentioned it didn't use it all the time [TS]

01:42:33   I use it whenever a bug with us with you I reports to make India developments how [TS]

01:42:39   could I really is cuz you know I mean it's a computer programmer but like [TS]

01:42:45   fixing bugs are trying to identify a bug can be like being a detective you know [TS]

01:42:49   and bug reports are you like crime reports in need to solve the crime and [TS]

01:42:53   figure it out and you know when there's a hundred of them that sound like it's [TS]

01:42:56   the same criminal thats case that you're more interested in them like you said [TS]

01:43:00   well one guy you know [TS]

01:43:04   well I mean like anything more data more possibility they gonna figure out what [TS]

01:43:10   the hell is going on and it is you know again it's like being a police like [TS]

01:43:13   being the police department where you know you solve the crimes that are [TS]

01:43:16   affecting the most people first [TS]

01:43:19   yeah and you get China to before you head for the Utopia Douglas exactly how [TS]

01:43:28   was your 2013 [TS]

01:43:30   to reciprocate good it's fun to listen to the show and he took a couple of [TS]

01:43:39   person every week I think I met him at odds that's great I did not know that [TS]

01:43:48   she's she's awesome she's super awesome yeah good stuff about wicket with us and [TS]

01:43:56   daring fireball readers might vague the affair thinking I've made me recall the [TS]

01:44:04   name Vicky merrily she just published a book I was the name of the book CSS [TS]

01:44:12   transforms CSS transplants since right but yeah it's like fancy shmancy it's [TS]

01:44:22   this great self evidential what's the word for that but it's like it's an [TS]

01:44:28   iBook for of CSS transforms about yes she's the former superior technology [TS]

01:44:36   evangelist from Apple right and you know gave and other piano anybody has been [TS]

01:44:42   the WWC in Gonda WebKit sessions over the last five or six years has seen her [TS]

01:44:46   give some of the best sessions i've seen [TS]

01:44:52   yeah that's good you know we've been doing a lot of that I'm actually having [TS]

01:44:56   a blast in actually yeah what's your company in a sprightly books at the [TS]

01:45:01   bookstore and she left our ball to start your own ebook publisher [TS]

01:45:08   she was neck-and-neck with Syracuse and his you [TS]

01:45:12   I was 10 Mavericks at the time [TS]

01:45:16   Syracuse's he's he's just announced an agreement shaking his fist I just got a [TS]

01:45:23   report [TS]

01:45:24   somebody just they just told me from agreement that maltz fell asleep I'm not [TS]

01:45:32   quite sure what the explanation as I don't know if its past his bedtime is [TS]

01:45:37   asleep we'll see if he'll wake up there were running short on time so we may [TS]

01:45:40   have to cut a few yeah how are they a spectacular fireball yeah dan dan talk [TS]

01:45:46   show down from was looking little bit in baghdad that's actually just how then [TS]

01:45:53   could be shown whenever he can be good to go [TS]

01:45:58   yes it would be great D nine Atkins been doing well you guys do a debug every [TS]

01:46:04   week to two weeks every two weeks [TS]

01:46:07   yeah I couldn't it may need to do is think nobody knows a bunch of buddies [TS]

01:46:17   and we shoot the shit but i stencil with the talk show's weekly but I keep [TS]

01:46:23   watching all of these other shows catch up to me inversion episode numbers like [TS]

01:46:27   the ATP guys like those guys all have their shit together and they do I think [TS]

01:46:33   they do a show recently yeah we caught with kisses show with and profession [TS]

01:46:39   ride with but anyway with Alex try and track is quickly like clockwork and even [TS]

01:46:55   in polls show which they only did like thirteen episodes but like the thirteen [TS]

01:47:01   weeks that they did it it was like every Monday at four o'clock eastern the new [TS]

01:47:05   episode [TS]

01:47:06   I keep watching these shows gain on the talk show in that episode numbers a [TS]

01:47:11   little better quality game which is why you have me on God I wish we were out of [TS]

01:47:22   stuff to talk about but that would be a good 2013 some napkins doing pretty good [TS]

01:47:29   I'm thrilled like you to be featured in the best of 2013 there was great [TS]

01:47:36   came out and it is Joyce was great got a lot of stuff that we've got an Editor's [TS]

01:47:42   Choice chairman came out and we had two most important Editor's Choice we get [TS]

01:47:48   you pumped us we didn't get a choice really [TS]

01:47:54   2014 will get one you know I had some sink [TS]

01:48:00   you know that honestly I think that's actually very fair I do actually I think [TS]

01:48:05   I don't get listed its make its main group of beef list i guess i dont stuff [TS]

01:48:17   I want to talk to you about so the macros came out I want to talk to you [TS]

01:48:22   about that so we're giving opinions on these yeah I i won [TS]

01:48:27   which is your day when no one know what I ordered it like 330 in the morning [TS]

01:48:35   denied it came out [TS]

01:48:36   respectively since again let me look at the end it deems same things they can't [TS]

01:48:43   actually remember the details [TS]

01:48:45   figuration 226 score 32 gigs of ram 500 fils flash storage and dual d500 did [TS]

01:48:55   your parents and I got my user guide in English which cost an extra two you know [TS]

01:49:03   what I did do which is insane I bought a magic and Apple Wireless Keyboard it [TS]

01:49:09   like another hundred-and-some odd because you don't have a mouse keyboard [TS]

01:49:13   I do I'm just an idiot I'm like I'm getting and spending this much money and [TS]

01:49:19   it is a kit is way too much money to be spending another hundred bucks I saw [TS]

01:49:25   that somebody tweeted me know if it's a joke but somebody tweeted that as you go [TS]

01:49:33   through you say here's my base model now and configured in the configuration [TS]

01:49:37   steps are like the deal wanna throw in an iPad it's like and they really you [TS]

01:49:46   know you're ordering apples high-end product when tossing in an iPad is there [TS]

01:49:51   with like mouse and keyboard just throw in a $700 tablet what the hell yeah I [TS]

01:49:59   mean that Final Cut Pro and 10 in that list to you which makes sense but yeah [TS]

01:50:05   so I came out under five grand [TS]

01:50:10   except then I paid tax on it so this federal taxes will be cut federal tax [TS]

01:50:17   and potential tax $1,000 yes 750 bucks so came out frankly I don't think I'm [TS]

01:50:26   ever gonna buy a Mac Pro again having received it actually but you know I [TS]

01:50:32   think feel like a lot of the work I do and I magazine but I am super excited [TS]

01:50:36   about this because it is a new thing it's just a new way of looking at it is [TS]

01:50:43   gonna computers and that fascinates me as as much as this just gets me excited [TS]

01:50:50   I saw somebody post on Twitter again don't member who but somebody could do [TS]

01:50:55   that work and I think this is one of the most interesting aspects of the whole [TS]

01:50:58   thing is that [TS]

01:50:59   the the like if you would leave it plugged in all day you know I think let [TS]

01:51:04   it go to sleep using it you can save you might save $1,000 a year on energy [TS]

01:51:11   versus [TS]

01:51:15   yea or or like the similar you know same basic Intel chipset but something like [TS]

01:51:23   that because this thing is so you know I S inspired in terms of like power [TS]

01:51:29   efficiency and in its you know it's it's one of the most under appreciated mean [TS]

01:51:37   with battery devices whether it's a laptop a MacBook or iPhone or iPad the [TS]

01:51:43   battery thing is for the energy thing is easy because it directly correlates to [TS]

01:51:47   battery life and battery life is very very important to the actual usability [TS]

01:51:51   whereas with a device like a macro that plugged in energy use is just don't [TS]

01:51:57   think about it like I don't really think about how much money I pay per year [TS]

01:52:00   because I have a macbook pro at my desk that I never unplug but it costs [TS]

01:52:06   something and it's actually no computers actually use in general speaking to [TS]

01:52:09   actually use a lot of energy yet when the higher drug prices right and it's [TS]

01:52:14   not just about being good for the environment everything it so you can [TS]

01:52:17   actually save some dough [TS]

01:52:19   you know and if you you know I think you know I mean saving environment good and [TS]

01:52:25   you're probably playing and you're going to use this thing for a couple years yes [TS]

01:52:30   you save more than a couple yet this is going to be a you know you know I'm [TS]

01:52:35   looking at the site which is why did my bumping up the memory to 32 gigs which [TS]

01:52:40   is so my current device effectively dead and left with a MacBook Air 2010 [TS]

01:52:51   so this is you know I'm investing in something does the MacBook Air have a [TS]

01:52:56   light up keyboard [TS]

01:52:57   CMI my macbook air does not mind this but that's cuz mines and I think that's [TS]

01:53:03   how old my macbook to me that but I my desk of a 2008 MacBook Pro is five years [TS]

01:53:10   old crazy at the time it was you know fastest MacBook Pro power but i wanna [TS]

01:53:19   get a Mac Pro cause I feel like if I buy a Mac Pro I could probably buy one now [TS]

01:53:23   and then retire I honestly feel you don't know what's not to like be [TS]

01:53:32   beheaded well you know what I needed to I needed for Safari it helps I knew I [TS]

01:53:39   need like an eight-core probe just keep on my safari tents from slowing down [TS]

01:53:44   yeah she pretends to worst we'll tell you know what I don't like test I used [TS]

01:53:50   them constantly is in webbrowser they make finding anything fucking impossible [TS]

01:53:56   well I say that i'm looking in my window man you know I'm also go get these 30 [TS]

01:54:01   but maybe 20 but it's a lot like yeah probably 12 in each one is 832 it could [TS]

01:54:14   be used for a display ok so here's what my beef with you gonna stick with my 27 [TS]

01:54:26   inch Apple display shiite my problem is I don't have modern able to split mine [TS]

01:54:33   is like you know only 20 inches and a means to the fork a display that day was [TS]

01:54:42   it [TS]

01:54:43   sony's sharp sheriff I'm I honestly just don't have the money to drop like 10 [TS]

01:54:51   games on the computer and forget his dad is dead asking [TS]

01:54:56   so not gonna buy that plus I like to look at it now you in your post knows [TS]

01:55:08   price for case in its display and husband first of all a coalition of [TS]

01:55:11   intolerable [TS]

01:55:12   Cinema Display and while amateur closed now everybody but you said Adam [TS]

01:55:28   disappointed and a little baffled at Apple doesn't yet have a photo display [TS]

01:55:31   yeah it's unlike Apple to leave money on the table it's that last sentence yeah [TS]

01:55:37   the people took issue with that two people some people point out well then [TS]

01:55:41   why the hell not to sell printers but seems to me there's no money in printers [TS]

01:55:45   yeah I don't know the Apple does sell displays that's the thing they do sell [TS]

01:55:51   displays but now they don't sell one that truly takes advantage of the macro [TS]

01:55:56   any number of reasons first one I've heard it's like sorry I think maybe just [TS]

01:56:04   a very best when you've heard this one is that and I could be wrong on this but [TS]

01:56:09   that it's just not possible for them to make a good for case display in the [TS]

01:56:14   forecast update out there sort of more about like video playback makes sense [TS]

01:56:19   for like film editors who are editing for K [TS]

01:56:26   footage to have one of the current a sharp one that they're selling these [TS]

01:56:30   buildings and use that for editing your fork a video but like for using it as [TS]

01:56:34   what I want to use it for is a big ass Retina Display [TS]

01:56:39   just general computing they don't there is there isn't a good there isn't a way [TS]

01:56:44   to make one that takes all the check marks that you'd wanted to check that [TS]

01:56:49   out that was basically the consignee don't do things you think they could [TS]

01:56:56   like they never did a sub laptop thing [TS]

01:57:03   netbook netbook and notebook you know you can argue that they leaving money on [TS]

01:57:07   the table I put line food trucks / they will need money on the table especially [TS]

01:57:13   before they got into this old stayed low and stuff why don't they make two [TS]

01:57:20   hundred and fifty-six gigabyte one that they could sell for unbelievable sum of [TS]

01:57:24   money because professional DJs would buy it because they want to be a really want [TS]

01:57:29   256 gigabytes of music on one device right so that was it I mean I guess they [TS]

01:57:36   can't make a display today happy with me now I guess I guess you're right there's [TS]

01:57:40   a way I guess it to me that's me being petulant and wanting whatever I want [TS]

01:57:47   whether it's feasible or not [TS]

01:57:49   yeah that's kinda which is when to call you and I want that too and probably [TS]

01:57:56   couldn't afford it but it probably would have found a way did you know the [TS]

01:58:00   streets in general I guess the weak spot for me it's a weak spot for me and it [TS]

01:58:05   has been for years has been one of the things that's like united and i four [TS]

01:58:13   years is an obsession with what is now called retina displays but you know how [TS]

01:58:18   goes been on high high DPI get your Mac apps ready for high DPI long before they [TS]

01:58:23   coined the term Retina Display I'm even before there was an iPhone and a double [TS]

01:58:28   the BBC sessions going back got it might even be close to 10 years now and did an [TS]

01:58:33   amazing job of IDPs [TS]

01:58:35   I can't go back to the right like I just wanted I just have always been obsessed [TS]

01:58:43   with high resolution graphics like I remember you know when [TS]

01:58:48   600 dpi laser printers came out and just being like we should take over 300 dpi [TS]

01:58:55   ones and garbage and everybody's different somebody unites asteroid 300 [TS]

01:59:01   dpi one down and then when 1200 dpi laser printers can I was like finally [TS]

01:59:05   finally you know these fonts look right [TS]

01:59:08   you know what I don't know if I could see it anymore but I was in college I [TS]

01:59:13   could definitely tell the difference [TS]

01:59:15   yes I do but it's starting my clothes I see I can see close up way better when I [TS]

01:59:24   don't have my contacts in my glasses on and take the glasses off yeah I can see [TS]

01:59:31   that the way I remember seeing 1200 600 vs 1200 dpi laser printer output was [TS]

01:59:38   home a little bit harder and it was you know you know it depends if you were [TS]

01:59:44   looking at like half tones for like you know that nice to look at the half times [TS]

01:59:49   you could definitely see the difference [TS]

01:59:50   tax was a little hard but 300 to 600 was huge in my phone is headed dead giveaway [TS]

01:59:57   Vegas used effectively use a bunch of resolution because you just the way the [TS]

02:00:01   colors are done [TS]

02:00:02   yeah but the such fine diets and really really make it just looked more like it [TS]

02:00:10   really started to look like real black and white photography and film output on [TS]

02:00:15   white [TS]

02:00:16   but anyway I i've been waiting for the Mac of my computing devices to go to [TS]

02:00:22   effectively laser printer quality pixel size for forever [TS]

02:00:30   well I mean that's sort of the end game right there is a limit to how sharp you [TS]

02:00:35   can see a dead you done and you know I just want them back to be nice to hear [TS]

02:00:46   right there like being like completely retina ready that was awesome [TS]

02:00:52   technical accomplishment but it was such a way it was wasted because there were [TS]

02:00:56   no retina displays for it that's why panic panic right it is exact details [TS]

02:01:02   even if they never come to light to release those details they did it right [TS]

02:01:07   and it's not like you know like ABS currently movies where like no you know [TS]

02:01:16   I get great that Kubrick shot 2001 in seventy millimeter because yeah you can [TS]

02:01:21   even watching at home there's a great is much better resolution source to strike [TS]

02:01:28   the blu-ray from 35 million and when I love you said in 72 I think so I can [TS]

02:01:38   meet you sometimes see the effects guys [TS]

02:01:40   differently in in order to do so I think everything we shot 72 I know that right [TS]

02:01:52   but a nap isn't like that because now that we actually do have retina MacBook [TS]

02:01:58   Pros you know you can run Mac apps on retina displays but only on these [TS]

02:02:03   MacBook Pros [TS]

02:02:04   it doesn't matter what coda one was kazakh users to [TS]

02:02:09   wasted though because maybe you got the panic guys you know the development team [TS]

02:02:14   in their designers in a retina workflow early they develop their read it is a [TS]

02:02:22   personal I'm so personally obsessed with it it makes me irrational about my when [TS]

02:02:30   I expect Apple to provide to me I wanted it if you'd asked me before a certain [TS]

02:02:36   price tag thing than a macro that he ordered I would have said and done I I [TS]

02:02:42   will buy whatever display display just give it to me and you know he's [TS]

02:02:50   depressed and when it's also the sort of thing that'll probably be like it's [TS]

02:02:59   gonna hit one of those over the price over time curves like you know like [TS]

02:03:04   plasma LCD TVs high-def flat-panel TVs first came out [TS]

02:03:10   popularized they were like five thousand or $6,000 and in very quickly there were [TS]

02:03:16   four thousand and then you know I forget how much I paid for mine but maybe I [TS]

02:03:19   paid like $2,800 or something and then like within six months my exact model [TS]

02:03:25   which I love but all of a sudden it was on sale for $1800 and then I just [TS]

02:03:29   thought I think the other day just the other day he was a TV that Siracusa [TS]

02:03:34   recommended in the Panasonic 60 TV plasma display and the six yeah and what [TS]

02:03:41   does it do bTW 60 that's asked to lead pulling from my program right [TS]

02:03:46   random the scene that review is like best TV we've ever reviewed great blacks [TS]

02:03:53   insanely expensive and dookhan was insanely expensive and it's $1500 right [TS]

02:03:59   you know and that's because in some sense that makes sense because you go [TS]

02:04:03   into like a DVD you know best buy or something like that and there's all [TS]

02:04:05   sorts of big-screen TVs there you know five six seven eight hundred dollars [TS]

02:04:09   yeah but I expected like you know I don't know if you know for gonna call [TS]

02:04:14   for k displays but I hope that they skipped for kids just go to them aware [TS]

02:04:21   of it is 27 inches right retina display just double it and everything and let 4 [TS]

02:04:28   Kb called the video format or whatever you know but effectively double the [TS]

02:04:34   pixels on like a 27 inch display that's what I wanted to I just don't think it's [TS]

02:04:39   an appellate didn't ship when we write that there maybe they're going to wait [TS]

02:04:44   until the way to have a good product reaches a deal of time so for those [TS]

02:04:51   eight words I'm sure that there's also like to people if there's anybody had [TS]

02:04:58   Apple is working on it and surely somebody is who reads daring fireball [TS]

02:05:02   that I gave them very sorry for the back to work [TS]

02:05:11   show Beyonce fan that's what he said to me she was I have never seen so much [TS]

02:05:17   Beyonce on your website before and then and then I said I laughter because it [TS]

02:05:22   proved that she was actually I i can say you know what this is not a joke I did [TS]

02:05:30   not notice even mention it I thought that was a joke about his big news [TS]

02:05:36   that's you know I know today to talk to you but I didn't notice it you'd [TS]

02:05:39   actually mentioned in 1900 yes she did this targeting the way the star key when [TS]

02:05:48   you get it that I thought I was serious oh yeah yeah yeah you were serious but [TS]

02:05:55   you like target doesn't target will play the single I can't even find it now I'm [TS]

02:06:00   gonna they will show you the mp3 single of the world's tiniest violin [TS]

02:06:06   saddest did find one as you move instead of jokes did you not that funny game so [TS]

02:06:11   that those who forgotten or mister Beyonce somehow secretly like you know [TS]

02:06:17   it's one of those things were usually when a major artist is working on a new [TS]

02:06:20   album everybody knows she added [TS]

02:06:22   entire album that she produced in secret nobody knows coming and it hit iTunes as [TS]

02:06:27   an exclusive and you know here it is in a coordinated like social media campaign [TS]

02:06:34   and it sold 800,000 copies of the whole album not like a single but the whole [TS]

02:06:39   album three days which is you know a lot and apparently it's it's some innovative [TS]

02:06:46   thinking about what an album can be in digital format because I think there's a [TS]

02:06:50   video for every song to see but yeah that's it but it's not it's not just [TS]

02:07:00   eight or nine songs hit songs mixed with video and they're all you know it's [TS]

02:07:05   bigger production than just the music you know I found your post you it was a [TS]

02:07:11   new iTunes exclusive Beyonce albums as 800,000 copies in for three days [TS]

02:07:15   selling music albums not dead yet so yeah not right when you go at Target [TS]

02:07:23   what happened is that target it was you know that there is going to be on a [TS]

02:07:28   regular CD I guess and target has announced that they aren't going to [TS]

02:07:33   carry it because it debuted as an iTunes exclusive and take their ball and go [TS]

02:07:40   even now her previous album apparently debuted as a target exclusive for a week [TS]

02:07:47   and weekend or something like that which makes Apple newsweek pundits but [TS]

02:07:56   whatever people about Apple [TS]

02:07:59   they were kinda pissed about this and get you know downplaying targeted [TS]

02:08:07   happens all the time it's like that story business works yeah I understand I [TS]

02:08:13   want people getting mad about exclusives always boggles my mind I can I don't [TS]

02:08:19   find it that destroying [TS]

02:08:21   remember when Apple wouldn't sell that book about Steve Jobs it wasn't [TS]

02:08:24   authorized right yeah kinda lame but that's the way the world works is known [TS]

02:08:32   as being a total loser in iTunes his ass behavior constantly in in order to you [TS]

02:08:43   know who profit basically and if target can try to scare other artists from tram [TS]

02:08:48   what Beyonce tried then you know maybe it's worth it to them they don't think [TS]

02:08:53   it's about Beyonce they're trying to teach people without her beach and her [TS]

02:08:59   out just don't do not screw us do not try to do the idea instinct destroy and [TS]

02:09:04   you know you're not gonna sell as many as Beyonce did she can check and she's [TS]

02:09:10   headed that's fine hugely popular awesome targets to send a message but [TS]

02:09:18   yeah but maybe that's you know I'm not saying it's unreasonable you know it is [TS]

02:09:24   funny but I don't think they're asking for anybody did you know that I remember [TS]

02:09:31   I remember I don't think they're playing the victim I think they're playing the [TS]

02:09:34   thug effectively the exclusive that I remember hurting and really good year [TS]

02:09:40   this was somebody mentioned when he comes out first then was halo halo in [TS]

02:09:52   development was a Mac [TS]

02:09:54   because it came from Bungie who had done the marathon series and others I forget [TS]

02:10:00   the previous ones before maritime the marathon is the big one like that [TS]

02:10:03   marathon was to the Mac what they were [TS]

02:10:09   merit unwise to the Mac would do right everybody has spent the nineties playing [TS]

02:10:15   dune and you know halo looked like it was way more immersive impressive in [TS]

02:10:26   every way in terms of storytelling in terms of graphics it was the first game [TS]

02:10:31   that Steve ever showed onstage I might have been might have been yeah I mean it [TS]

02:10:37   was and it was into you know the way that games are often promoted before [TS]

02:10:41   they come out [TS]

02:10:42   yeah it was shown I think at the Macworld keynote or something like that [TS]

02:10:45   next thing you know Microsoft bought bungee and all of a sudden halo instead [TS]

02:10:51   of being a Mac game became an Xbox exclusive and you know again and I [TS]

02:10:58   remember people saying why not just sell the Mac version to him and for god sake [TS]

02:11:01   it was not asking you to port it to the Mac it obviously was already written for [TS]

02:11:06   the Mac just sell it to take my money but in hindsight you know you can see [TS]

02:11:12   what you know and why you know to correctly so they saw it as you know a [TS]

02:11:16   franchise you know and something that would be a yes they wanted it to be a [TS]

02:11:20   first title they would sell eventually did come to the PC and Mac also worked [TS]

02:11:28   in that business and if you're playing against a console 90% time it's also [TS]

02:11:36   raining on the PC [TS]

02:11:38   debug develop it like you got Photoshop and white window and you get beginning [TS]

02:11:43   any of the window and with modern is Texas's pipelining techniques you get [TS]

02:11:49   your text in Photoshop save it and then the game automatically loaded so you can [TS]

02:11:53   see it in the world has you playing that said just because it's running on a PC [TS]

02:11:59   doesn't make it product [TS]

02:12:02   I think a lot of action labs yeah doesn't mean it doesn't mean that ship [TS]

02:12:10   these games and I bet he'll by the time but eventually you probably did still [TS]

02:12:14   unempowered because the Xbox man was PowerPC and the deficit would be fires [TS]

02:12:20   that doesn't mean whatever software they had gone with an actual product and [TS]

02:12:29   taking some software that happens Japan and peace are turning into a product is [TS]

02:12:34   not a trivial task yeah so I think Microsoft I think they've made the Xbox [TS]

02:12:44   franchise based in large part because of that first party deal and eventually you [TS]

02:12:51   know there's a bunch of guys who have since split often gonna win win so I [TS]

02:12:58   don't think it worked out well for everybody except for Mac users who [TS]

02:13:01   wanted an awesome game and see if you publish a pretty pissed about that yeah [TS]

02:13:08   it's funny cuz you know and even today Apple has an email I think you could [TS]

02:13:12   call it kinda getting burned you know with game previews you know what was [TS]

02:13:18   that it was a dead happy ninja ninja ninja [TS]

02:13:23   which was demoed like over a year ago and then didn't come out until a month [TS]

02:13:29   ago yeah did you know I don't think I did charming great well done and it is [TS]

02:13:36   completely abuses but in reality and making money on these days it's all I [TS]

02:13:42   get a purchase it's free and it's a bunch of in-app purchases and it [TS]

02:13:45   depresses me like a bunch of money but I shiny in a beautiful it is too cynical [TS]

02:13:51   you know [TS]

02:13:52   she wanted so blatant get what you pay for like special swords and stuff like [TS]

02:13:59   that [TS]

02:14:00   yeah you get you know the guy up on a trampoline if you want to get a [TS]

02:14:05   trampoline that last longer bounces higher than you know and it's the worst [TS]

02:14:10   thing you know the all-inclusive resort / carnival cruise [TS]

02:14:14   them where you don't pay money you pay tokens and talking to you feel it weird [TS]

02:14:20   way to spell grinding for hours or you can buy them and so there's a distrust [TS]

02:14:26   between the amount of money you're spending and the the token see you spend [TS]

02:14:31   to get the goodies I just it I think it would think it would look amazing and I [TS]

02:14:39   get super cute really really well done and incredibly cynical and it just [TS]

02:14:45   depresses me as well as well you know you know I 2030 just charge me some [TS]

02:14:54   money and you know what does my heart [TS]

02:14:57   well and it's a game again I don't know I i've watched quite a bit of it is [TS]

02:15:01   Jonas is obsessed with it but minecraft yeah and you know what to their credit [TS]

02:15:07   they don't nickel and dime you to my knowledge at all and I think that there [TS]

02:15:13   I think that it was like the top grossing app of the Year for 2013 I [TS]

02:15:17   think from that happened absolutely return it after it was closed and its [TS]

02:15:22   just $6.99 its riches by App Store standards for iOS you know high price [TS]

02:15:29   for a game and it's the deal is you pay $6.99 and you get minecraft on your [TS]

02:15:34   iPhone iPad and that's it you know they made a fortune continued to make a [TS]

02:15:41   fortune [TS]

02:15:42   and I know that you should talk to him [TS]

02:15:45   addicted to it goes it is is John's into it all Mike idea if I didn't make me go [TS]

02:15:54   to bed it spent all day playing it on a Macbook while watching videos of other [TS]

02:16:01   people playing it on his iPhone which apparently is not just him I've checked [TS]

02:16:07   with other parents is apparently that's that's the way everybody check is my boy [TS]

02:16:15   crazy right [TS]

02:16:17   seems it seems crazy to me it seems it seems like hell on earth you know to me [TS]

02:16:23   like my I couldn't concentrate on either but apparently that you know kids today [TS]

02:16:29   multitask yeah I think Allen man had something that's true of every [TS]

02:16:38   generation went on to say that with us and I'm not passing judgment and sound [TS]

02:16:43   crazy but then once I found out that other people do and you know I can sort [TS]

02:16:47   of see the logic to it [TS]

02:16:49   the other thing I mean apparently there are about thirty or forty thousand [TS]

02:16:55   dollars Minecraft videos posted to YouTube every day and I did it [TS]

02:17:05   effectively infinite though if you wanted to watch my dress and heels [TS]

02:17:10   china china's just making my graphic but at other parents have reassured me that [TS]

02:17:17   this is normal to is Jonas will occasionally break out into hysterical [TS]

02:17:21   laughter like the way that like I remember laughing at like Caddyshack [TS]

02:17:28   as always the funniest thing ever and it's you know I don't know it's right [TS]

02:17:35   lol I thought so but apparently some of these microspheres have it be a few [TS]

02:17:43   little psychological component there I think that can you get these creepers is [TS]

02:17:49   coming to come in tonight and try to get you in building fences yeah it's a total [TS]

02:17:57   Lego mindset you know the fact that it's he's a lot more interest in Minecraft [TS]

02:18:03   now on the computer then they go in the real world but I can't blame them [TS]

02:18:07   because I think I would have been and I think it it's not quite I think we get [TS]

02:18:12   our and and and and they even have a cross-licensing deal where there are [TS]

02:18:16   like one or at least one or two [TS]

02:18:17   minecraft branded Lego kits [TS]

02:18:21   you know but there it's not a huge deal but you do know there is like a thing [TS]

02:18:25   where you can build like a little but I actually think that if I don't think [TS]

02:18:30   afford it so successful that I think would have been wise to buy them out if [TS]

02:18:35   possible although it seems as though the guy who then it might independent-minded [TS]

02:18:40   yeah everything Anderson he's not yes at nosh on Twitter notch notch and OTC age [TS]

02:18:53   yes not a capitalist minded no guy well you know it seems it's sorta like he's [TS]

02:19:01   got like a healthy balance you know like it's not like we've been in a way it's [TS]

02:19:06   not giving it away it's not open source but it is for sale for a for sale for a [TS]

02:19:12   reasonable price I think that they're probably pretty careful about the brand [TS]

02:19:17   you know that there you know would pursue somebody who who tried to print [TS]

02:19:21   minecraft t-shirt or something like that but that the game is also [TS]

02:19:25   eminently likeable I mean it is like two plugins and extensions right and it's [TS]

02:19:32   really you know it's just an old school iOS it's not because private reasons but [TS]

02:19:38   on a PC it couldn't be more old school it's just a folder full of graphic [TS]

02:19:44   resources you know if you want to build your own you just you know make your own [TS]

02:19:47   graphic resources so you know Jonas has downloaded were checked turns your [TS]

02:19:52   avatar did you know he's Batman instead of 12 his Doctor Who and then they [TS]

02:20:00   people build levels you know there's like Doctor Who levels or other things [TS]

02:20:05   that really kind of fascinating and to me it is sort of like Lego where people [TS]

02:20:08   are able to build these things up and it's i think is pretty cool game because [TS]

02:20:14   feelings right and he spends a lot of time playing levels but he's also spent [TS]

02:20:21   an awful lot of time building his own things which i think is you know to me [TS]

02:20:25   yesterday [TS]

02:20:25   yeah I call that good parenting I have to get in front of a computer takes a [TS]

02:20:32   cocktail I haven't I haven't seen him in four days man you the best ever but I [TS]

02:20:39   know he's here now I've got the coffee mug to prove it the best dad in the [TS]

02:20:49   world right before we got the first time you cracked a joke to me yeah go ahead [TS]

02:20:53   before the president even have the coffee I have one more sponsor to tell [TS]

02:21:00   you that in this spot unless I could add ya [TS]

02:21:04   seasonal [TS]

02:21:07   plus you gotta have all the tap-dancing just so you know the children's choirs [TS]

02:21:16   gonna come and sing harmony peace and love to but before that just before they [TS]

02:21:22   want a about Slingbox Slingbox [TS]

02:21:26   been around for a while great the only way to take your television experience [TS]

02:21:30   with you wherever you go [TS]

02:21:33   Slingbox delivers all of viewer live TV channels your cable TV channels of the [TS]

02:21:38   comes into your TV and whatever is recorded on our DVR it lets you take it [TS]

02:21:43   wherever you are [TS]

02:21:44   to work watch friends house when you travel to another city when you're [TS]

02:21:52   traveling just wanna catch up on TV shows that you know you have it right so [TS]

02:21:56   I could record the Dallas Cowboys watch Yankees games hotel the Hotel TV stinks [TS]

02:22:03   because you know you don't have to channel DVR [TS]

02:22:08   watch stuff right when it comes on there which is what it's called me recorded [TS]

02:22:14   too hard drive [TS]

02:22:16   having a slingbox is is the only way to take your content you have a DVR [TS]

02:22:23   anywhere in the world is it just you connect your Slingbox from anywhere else [TS]

02:22:28   and it's your remote computer or device connecting to your Slingbox in your [TS]

02:22:35   house and so you can watch it from anywhere you know you're not [TS]

02:22:40   circumventing thing you're not breaking any laws or anything like that you're [TS]

02:22:44   only watching what you have the right to record at your house from anywhere in [TS]

02:22:48   the world but then for things like sports where it's all regional right you [TS]

02:22:53   can't watch Yankees games if you're in right but if you have a slingbox at home [TS]

02:22:57   you can either alternatives a slingbox some of them only work on wifi or [TS]

02:23:06   something like that Slingbox work over cellular networking [TS]

02:23:09   some of them you know like if you have specific apps you know like the [TS]

02:23:13   WatchESPN app which you can download from the App ends up but it it has all [TS]

02:23:21   the rules of sports in your area so there's blackouts when you're close to [TS]

02:23:27   the team that's being played [TS]

02:23:29   if you're traveling there right if you don't have the right where you are at [TS]

02:23:33   the moment you can't watch it even if you could if you were home with Slingbox [TS]

02:23:36   you can watch anything you could see it home and have a great new app for the [TS]

02:23:42   iPad consoling player is great way of finding shows way better than any remote [TS]

02:23:48   that you could use because you could just search for the shows have you know [TS]

02:23:51   the name it's connected to Twitter and Facebook you can see what other people [TS]

02:23:56   are saying about the same show you're watching and if you're a sports fan if [TS]

02:24:01   you used SlingPlayer for iPad gives you all the live stats of the game that [TS]

02:24:06   you're watching while watching it so it's not a thing like Apple TV or rocky [TS]

02:24:13   or something like that [TS]

02:24:15   brokers abramson where you do your own thing but it's better it's something [TS]

02:24:22   that you would him he really does make sense to add to your home entertainment [TS]

02:24:26   center because it's really about remote access to the things that are already on [TS]

02:24:31   your home entertainment center if they've been around for years now and I [TS]

02:24:40   don't work to ensure that you do have this kind of access in terms of some [TS]

02:24:45   sort of fighting the good fight and it's just a box right thing it's such a [TS]

02:24:52   brilliant name that the main thing is called the Slingbox cuz it's just a box [TS]

02:24:56   and you are already paying for home internet it's just connects over the [TS]

02:25:03   internet they are already paying for so there's no monthly fees you don't have [TS]

02:25:06   to sign up for Slingbox service and pay a monthly fee just by the box hook it up [TS]

02:25:12   and then you can access everything on that box which is everything in your [TS]

02:25:17   home entertainment center from anywhere they have a special deal this is the [TS]

02:25:22   thing special deal for talk show listeners go to Slingbox dot com slash [TS]

02:25:26   the talk show and you get $30 off and free shipping on a new Slingbox Slingbox [TS]

02:25:34   dot com slash the talk show no saved 30 bucks get free shipping deals she went [TS]

02:25:43   on about ads because we said oh they like the Apple 12 Apple has the [TS]

02:25:55   misunderstood sorry talking yeah it's misunderstood him that narrows Nokia I [TS]

02:26:02   guess ya hear the bell choir and women had I will get to them soon I'm worried [TS]

02:26:14   that we're going to bumper to bumper will get to the others though I hope if [TS]

02:26:20   not we'll do it next year next year I think it's so crazy I do think and as [TS]

02:26:27   time has gone on a few times I feel like they have misunderstood out is really [TS]

02:26:31   really might be the best add apples done in a long time I think I immediately [TS]

02:26:36   said it the best i think is probably the best I've had a couple years I really [TS]

02:26:42   like yeah I liked it alot it hit Indian echo on Twitter should not jumping on [TS]

02:26:52   the bandwagon it's fine I don't know it's a good movie everybody doesn't have [TS]

02:27:01   to agree exactly right [TS]

02:27:03   certainly came at the [TS]

02:27:07   so there's two ways to end the ad is basically a while you imagine to be a [TS]

02:27:13   grumpy teenaged boy having his face ducking his iPhone stolen so on and so [TS]

02:27:22   on [TS]

02:27:22   yeah I just sort of league not disenfranchise but basically [TS]

02:27:28   disconnected from the show [TS]

02:27:30   ignoring life around him and now not really being demoted seemingly is [TS]

02:27:38   emotionally engaged with the rest of his family [TS]

02:27:41   exactly you know as a common thing I mean you know teenagers have been error [TS]

02:27:49   and everybody is well aware that stereotype of Lake [TS]

02:27:54   to cool for school and whatever the way they don't really want to connect with [TS]

02:27:59   your family on the holidays can happen but at the end it turns out that what [TS]

02:28:04   he'd been doing is still name during an incredibly good job of filming a holiday [TS]

02:28:12   movie that he then places his Christmas present to its am i personally offended [TS]

02:28:20   her warming and touching I can see the argument did well he did regardless of [TS]

02:28:28   the output he did have a stay stuck in this phone during all of this you know [TS]

02:28:32   and I i would say my response to that is well what do you think if he didn't have [TS]

02:28:37   an iPhone 4G been 10 years earlier what do you think he would have been doing it [TS]

02:28:41   would have been even playing Gameboy you know what you've been reading you know [TS]

02:28:45   paperback book comic books so I remember being that age and I didn't have you [TS]

02:28:52   know I'm old enough now writing have hand electronics and if I did I wouldn't [TS]

02:28:55   but i wasnt otherwise you know I was a lot more like that kid at a big family [TS]

02:29:01   Thanksgiving or Christmas then I was you know fully engaged social member of the [TS]

02:29:07   family [TS]

02:29:08   yeah I think it's still am [TS]

02:29:11   my inclination is to be so but I'm not enough in like you know you know twenty [TS]

02:29:17   up and join you know that I you know you get older and you learn more [TS]

02:29:25   you know to be connected you know I think there is a you know it's selfish [TS]

02:29:34   and that's typically changes right at the end of family and the mad runs the [TS]

02:29:42   whole gamut from smaller children 3 45 years old to him the teenager then [TS]

02:29:47   there's a bunch of parents you know 35 to 45 year olds and then there's [TS]

02:29:51   grandparents and it's the grandparents and the little kids who were the most [TS]

02:29:56   emotionally I think that's true you know nobody loves kids more than old people [TS]

02:30:03   it's I think it's natural because they sort of see it now have the wisdom and [TS]

02:30:07   they know that you know they they understand better than anybody the value [TS]

02:30:12   of time they have the least of it left and then there's the parents who are [TS]

02:30:17   sort of the least involved in the ad because they're the you know they're the [TS]

02:30:22   ones you know they're our age we don't care about anybody there the least [TS]

02:30:26   interesting but they're not they're not disaffected but they're not as affected [TS]

02:30:32   affected [TS]

02:30:33   and there's that team that one teenager you know that I you know for me [TS]

02:30:38   personally i I have to admit and if there's a criticism of the added by [TS]

02:30:41   Qualcomm on most teenagers aren't going to do that and that is true and so yes [TS]

02:30:45   Apple is sort of showing you my phone but can you blame them in this their ad [TS]

02:30:49   they're showing it in the best possible light where maybe here's a kid who's [TS]

02:30:52   creative but and and loves his family but is at an age where it's the hardest [TS]

02:30:59   to express that and it's easier for him to express it in the form of my takeaway [TS]

02:31:06   that's when I left with his way to connect is to Canada Voice himself from [TS]

02:31:11   the situation I could imagine being really good and I you know you know [TS]

02:31:18   especially my favorite little touching it is the way that he introduces the [TS]

02:31:22   film which is effectively by just while people while they're opening their [TS]

02:31:28   presents Christmas morning he doesn't even saying he just kind of goes over [TS]

02:31:32   and turned on the TV and the Apple TV and starts their play and it's because [TS]

02:31:37   he does and I can imagine it's a little awkward actually right there's like this [TS]

02:31:41   awkward moment where everybody's Ayu turning on the TV you know it's a couple [TS]

02:31:45   of seconds of the commercial but there is no corny hey everybody I made [TS]

02:31:52   something I want to show it to you it's a he can even bring himself to say [TS]

02:31:55   anything he just goes over and shows it and lets the little movie speak for [TS]

02:32:00   itself which I totally associate with ya guiding it is well down I knew I do [TS]

02:32:08   identify a lot with it with a kid I think that [TS]

02:32:17   at is made all the better both seeing what some other companies too funny so [TS]

02:32:24   it's like a big contrast mind-boggling right that's just too good at and I [TS]

02:32:31   think you think you know the past few years after his Apple has been with [TS]

02:32:39   feeling a little bit when it comes to really nailing an ad I can't think of [TS]

02:32:48   the last one that it was just really hit American yeah actually after and I was [TS]

02:32:55   not as down on them as others but like the the ones where there is that the [TS]

02:33:01   genius in random situations in the real world there is a genius on the airplane [TS]

02:33:05   genius parliament building I guess they were played during the Olympics summer [TS]

02:33:10   two summers ago yeah it just seemed like the best buy on our guys will fix your [TS]

02:33:18   computer virus like it didn't sit well with me I don't see more exactly its [TS]

02:33:26   aspiration for you compare this to what she did so Samsung's to do it up I guess [TS]

02:33:38   is the name of the fence and I just think that that should become a phrase [TS]

02:33:42   for somebody's check as well so there's this really clumsily made had about 20 [TS]

02:33:54   young 20 something year old ski resort for a weekend in there's a guy with [TS]

02:33:59   galaxy to watch the Galaxy year watch and Galaxy smartphone picking up a girl [TS]

02:34:06   and then there's another guy who's after her to he doesn't have the watch he only [TS]

02:34:12   has apparently this is one of the things that makes it so weird is that he [TS]

02:34:18   apparently just has a galaxy phone he does have a big ass five-inch phone I [TS]

02:34:22   guess they don't show that it's a Samsung but [TS]

02:34:25   it seemed to me though they get like it as bad as the ad is it would've been [TS]

02:34:29   better if they had made his phone looks more like an iPhone but it wasn't it was [TS]

02:34:34   big yea or something but it moment after moment matter what he does this guy who [TS]

02:34:40   has the watch doesn't have to take his phone out and so he keeps moving further [TS]

02:34:46   and further ahead in his flirtations with feet away in a very creepy way like [TS]

02:34:52   taking photo taking photos of her with his washington and he ends up just [TS]

02:34:59   taking photos of this girl with his wrist watch the phone number the way he [TS]

02:35:07   gets her phone numbers pretty creepy to just say your phone numbers she [TS]

02:35:11   literally goes what goes through your phone number and it's so that he can [TS]

02:35:16   show that the watch will understand her voice and they need to alter immediately [TS]

02:35:21   and then they get off and go their separate ways to go skiing right he [TS]

02:35:26   follows her taking photos of her weather watch with his wife right and then you [TS]

02:35:32   should wear and for whatever reason she's into it like you take a bunch of [TS]

02:35:39   crap like that night he sees her at the bar I thought his shoulder at the rate [TS]

02:35:50   he's a here looking at pictures of you on a night I took a bunch of photos [TS]

02:35:59   names Amy been away I saw that she spells at AIA yeah I mean my phone is [TS]

02:36:06   full of Amy photos too [TS]

02:36:09   and then later on there at the bar and he's successfully or there but she bumps [TS]

02:36:15   and drops his phone but he can find his phone because he can make his watch make [TS]

02:36:20   the phone and in the meantime the other guy was already getting her a drink and [TS]

02:36:26   he's got to so he's got to drink one for him and one for her but then his phone [TS]

02:36:30   goes off and he tries to get his phone out while still holding two drinks and [TS]

02:36:34   then he drops his drinks we we won't do it justice just it's really bad I've [TS]

02:36:43   linked it on during open the show but it's really pretty it doesn't seem to [TS]

02:36:49   sell the way it doesn't really seem to solve a watch be it seems to indicate [TS]

02:36:53   that it if you just have a regular at Samsung phone you're going to be [TS]

02:36:58   clumsily embarrassing yourself in front of people and dropping drinks and then [TS]

02:37:05   see it seems a little stalkerish in terms of the exact man's behaviour [TS]

02:37:16   towards the woman given the screen time James Bond could make that work just [TS]

02:37:23   seemed incredibly creepy right way this is not a swamp I just happened to be [TS]

02:37:29   cool and thank you for noticing [TS]

02:37:31   aggressively creepy stuff there's ways to do the guy meets girl aren't creepy [TS]

02:37:39   at all they're cute Mantic and this is the opposite no I think if anybody chose [TS]

02:37:45   make made the decisions at this game like this training mortars at least [TS]

02:37:54   should have a certain word with him being like this is over the line this is [TS]

02:38:00   not right now even close this is it really it really felt more like a [TS]

02:38:05   ham-fisted video that you might see a court-ordered [TS]

02:38:11   creation and right leg when you have like a when you've been you've stalked [TS]

02:38:19   someone and they get like a court order against you and this seems like the [TS]

02:38:25   awful video they make you watched sort of teach you the error of your ways and [TS]

02:38:29   what's inappropriate just to get back to the top of the show this is going into [TS]

02:38:39   Michelle this is the video that they will show you in highschool SEC said [TS]

02:38:43   close to explain what day trip is all about [TS]

02:38:47   awful right he does everything everything short of mister mister [TS]

02:38:57   proprietary inappropriately touching her yeah which probably happens off-camera [TS]

02:39:02   coming from it is it's here though [TS]

02:39:09   stepped up in a different direction so nokia has the such a bizarre ad ever [TS]

02:39:17   really make it up it's so it's creepy in a very different way where it doesn't [TS]

02:39:23   seem like anything is inappropriate or socially i'm happy with this ad existing [TS]

02:39:29   in the other at right except for the fact that it's supposed to be selling [TS]

02:39:33   you on a Nokia Windows 8 tablet but enjoy being in the world I think this [TS]

02:39:39   ones I'd rather have this one guy goes in the girls hair cut and [TS]

02:39:45   these guys to say like an average of 2013 length but relatively short and [TS]

02:39:53   then his barber is grotesque this is this is this is just like long nails [TS]

02:40:02   long disgusting nails like almost like zombies fingernails from The Walking [TS]

02:40:07   Dead Like wire his nails so long and apparently covered with like some kind [TS]

02:40:14   of fungus or something and not me I'm not exaggerating the Sinhalese barber [TS]

02:40:21   with credibly grotesque fingernails asking what herron style he wants and [TS]

02:40:27   they settle on a tease hard-rock mullet [TS]

02:40:32   doesn't really I mean I hate are you about the sense of the ad but it doesn't [TS]

02:40:37   make any sense because his hair isn't long enough to have the hairstyle and [TS]

02:40:42   then there's a weird woman who's who's the name of the ad is the hairdressers [TS]

02:40:47   assistant there's a very weird woman like a nurse ratchet figure member the [TS]

02:40:52   nurse from one sort of stern looking I don't know how to enjoy that you have [TS]

02:41:01   friends 1 through the curtain I don't know if you don't even have a bad movie [TS]

02:41:06   yeah I don't know she has she looks more like a bad nurse than anything else and [TS]

02:41:11   I'm not quite sure what role she plays and then she brings a tablet right she [TS]

02:41:16   brings the tablet out and then he starts going through and he can do his expects [TS]

02:41:20   he'll spread shields and I guess play some video games while areas falling [TS]

02:41:26   right snippets of Harris song and you don't understand why what's happening [TS]

02:41:31   right like every time he takes a swipe on the tablet a lock of his hair gets [TS]

02:41:36   clipped yes [TS]

02:41:38   magically his right foot but then thirty seconds later he looks up and he's got [TS]

02:41:43   like like [TS]

02:41:44   wayne's world there and the whole idea of the mullet I mean percent but there [TS]

02:41:53   there at literally going off party in the back [TS]

02:41:59   work with his business in the front party in the back right and so the idea [TS]

02:42:08   is I guess what they're going for is something like you know this whole issue [TS]

02:42:13   holding Microsoft has emphasized with their tablets [TS]

02:42:16   ever since you know they came out with these things that you know iPad great [TS]

02:42:21   foreplay but you need a real PC for work and so if you get ours you can do your [TS]

02:42:25   real work in real Excel Word and still have all the fun you can have on an iPad [TS]

02:42:31   and Nokia has decided to take this and literally push it in the with the mullet [TS]

02:42:38   analogy and do it in a way that is bizarrely creepy in like a zombie way [TS]

02:42:49   and this sort of supernatural magic spell way it's got a poor man's David [TS]

02:42:57   Lynch feel to it a little bit over the top creepy characters that may exist in [TS]

02:43:03   real life but is just 2002 better actually know what the business in the [TS]

02:43:10   front party in the back I get that I get what youre trying to say is she message [TS]

02:43:16   but again it can have fun with it right there may be a tease nostalgic Goofy's [TS]

02:43:23   right there there might be some way to do that at some point if there's a a [TS]

02:43:29   meeting in the conference room [TS]

02:43:32   and and everybody is you know Don Draper style sharing ideas of how we gonna sell [TS]

02:43:37   this tablet that maybe there is a pitch that is somehow mullet based part in the [TS]

02:43:43   bag business up there maybe there's bad concepts and it took us to a guy with a [TS]

02:43:47   mullet who gives a mastering Don Draper South Beach how it's important part in [TS]

02:43:53   the front and I don't know what I don't know what that could add is I don't [TS]

02:43:59   think I I don't think it's a good concept but I i there might be some [TS]

02:44:03   hidden pull it off this is so not even close to how you pull it off that is I [TS]

02:44:09   can't even begin to think of things are wrong with it like I did the guys are [TS]

02:44:12   gross fingernails are inexplicable did you make me wanna buy anything except a [TS]

02:44:19   hammer to use to be right and you you the viewer are supposed to clearly you [TS]

02:44:24   know there's only three people in there there's the creepy nurse creepy barber [TS]

02:44:28   and the guy getting a haircut you're clearly supposed to associate with the [TS]

02:44:32   guy getting a haircut that's you the consumer who you may be one wants to get [TS]

02:44:37   a Nokia 8800 tablet but yet they're showing you being touched by a guy with [TS]

02:44:44   these creepy nails done eating like a fairy godmother kinda like same amount [TS]

02:44:49   of magic but with a fairy godmother is this is the world's creepiest guy [TS]

02:44:52   because i sat down there I would leave my haircut that badly and it really does [TS]

02:45:01   get to the point where there is a touch well if his nails and fingers are so [TS]

02:45:07   disgusting why would you touch tablet that he might have been touching you [TS]

02:45:12   know [TS]

02:45:13   and then they also say you can't make this up the guys you know the end of the [TS]

02:45:19   add his his hair is you know it's it's a it's a haircut that by today's standards [TS]

02:45:26   anybody would make fun of it is it is subject of jokes and in fact I don't [TS]

02:45:34   even think that the way he looks literally would have really passed even [TS]

02:45:38   in like nineteen eighty-four it was you know it's a comical it is a caricature [TS]

02:45:43   of them you know he really it's more like a wayne's world with [TS]

02:45:47   so without any exaggeration is the guy clear anybody's very happy with his [TS]

02:45:52   haircut that's one thing we should mention he seems very very pleased with [TS]

02:45:56   his decision in the way that it turned out and so clearly this guy has horrible [TS]

02:46:01   taste and i cant sum up that message better than maybe it's like some weird [TS]

02:46:13   dishes marketing company that managed to cellmark on that we think this product [TS]

02:46:20   is garbage [TS]

02:46:21   guess what we're gonna do you gonna tricked into fucking let's just say that [TS]

02:46:26   the result of one of these design company patent lawyer right and let's [TS]

02:46:33   say that the result of one of the one between Apple and Nokia is decided in [TS]

02:46:38   Apple's favor and the terms of the legal agreement are such that Apple gets to [TS]

02:46:45   make a Nokia add sugar in a million years could never come up with an ad [TS]

02:46:54   that would be more damaging to Nokia's brand and the prospects of their tablet [TS]

02:46:59   than this ad I don't think you mean it like maybe they could come up with an [TS]

02:47:08   idea like this we can't do this do that we keep this is kind of good job [TS]

02:47:17   well you don't have to worry me they're gone [TS]

02:47:20   what Microsoft bought them so I know when they get rolled up again rolled up [TS]

02:47:26   when we got a we should wrap this up so you know what I so I started this ad [TS]

02:47:31   stuff is your update to the misunderstood is just a quote from joy [TS]

02:47:37   of course you did it for me you know why I actually the way that I coded that the [TS]

02:47:44   second update on that you're the only person who got that good good work like [TS]

02:47:55   that you your television nostalgia I always a separate discussion but I [TS]

02:48:03   always feel that when you're talking about a word you should interest thank [TS]

02:48:10   you goodnight using a word when you're actually talking about the word you [TS]

02:48:16   should search your way of putting it in quotes but it's not quote calling it out [TS]

02:48:22   as well as an entity valve a member of the sentence right it's like the way the [TS]

02:48:30   lot of publications including during fireball will italicize a book or movie [TS]

02:48:36   title yet is there should be no underlying no I don't care either lining [TS]

02:48:48   with something [TS]

02:48:49   underlining on a typewriter was shorthand for when you were properly [TS]

02:48:54   typeset this manuscript which I can only use a typewriter for italicized and then [TS]

02:49:02   it just became so ingrained in culture that you know that when you have a title [TS]

02:49:08   you underline it that people thought that's what you do is you underline it [TS]

02:49:11   going to be a dick why do you want to learn you links [TS]

02:49:17   because I think it is useful for people to know what's a link I think one of the [TS]

02:49:23   best argument the wide angle because underlying was like the first standard [TS]

02:49:28   to show underlining on a typewriter to mention the name of the book is [TS]

02:49:35   essentially the same thing now look at this thing it's it's only useful if you [TS]

02:49:40   can't italicized I think one of the best thing that's ever happened to type cuz I [TS]

02:49:47   underline banned in in physical space yeah but what if I linked to a book then [TS]

02:49:58   I'll both italicize and underline and then I'll let you know that I do know [TS]

02:50:03   why you laughing now you know it's an armature don't care but write this shit [TS]

02:50:10   connie is one of the best thing that ever happened to type sitting in general [TS]

02:50:13   was Tim berners-lee his decision to use underlines to indicate links by the [TS]

02:50:19   fault because in all of a sudden people slowly but surely stopped using [TS]

02:50:23   underlines to mean emphasis and use it only for are almost always now right [TS]

02:50:35   prior to the web people were using underlines in word processors where they [TS]

02:50:40   should have been using attacks [TS]

02:50:43   well I do agree did like the emphasis is way better than bold italic underline is [TS]

02:50:52   one of them one of them to know its intention and the other one particular [TS]

02:50:59   style style is not necessarily what you want to be conveying a lot of the time [TS]

02:51:05   we could do a show on this yeah we're only two hours 50 minutes and plus [TS]

02:51:10   because the dancing on you know what I just go we're going to cut that gonna [TS]

02:51:14   bump them ya gonna bump I think I don't think we have time frame but my thanks [TS]

02:51:19   for all of them [TS]

02:51:23   sleep [TS]