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66: Geared Up For CES

 

  you geared up to stark cute girls at ski lot can you imagine not having Galaxy [TS]

  Garrett CES it's like they don't even let you in hand them out at the airport [TS]

  I saw I took up the ass I know why I took a stupid polarized somebody like to [TS]

  add on Twitter on time [TS]

  time magazine site today it was like answer these questions and will predict [TS]

  your political leaning and they're not political questions are sensibly you [TS]

  know it's not like you know what you think about gun control or something [TS]

  like that and I came out [TS]

  72% conservative according to this and one of them was that conservative [TS]

  qualities was that I like dogs more than cats interesting but I don't think that [TS]

  that's I think that's nonsense I mean I'm not saying that I don't think [TS]

  there's any kind of I don't know maybe I'm wrong maybe if you polled thousand [TS]

  people maybe you know maybe conservatives do like dogs more than I [TS]

  don't know seems crazy to me it seems that the Internet has embraced cats more [TS]

  than dogs I don't know why but I don't like yeah just lost a lot of my audience [TS]

  there [TS]

  retailer baseball now we should talk about we can talk about the poppies yeah [TS]

  well for people who don't know there's there's a bourbon is a very complex [TS]

  story but there's a bourbon brand called Pappy Van Winkle and and I guess they [TS]

  were out for awhile you know like back in the seventies or eighties I don't [TS]

  know they brought it back and they had this old fashioned they've had a [TS]

  high-end brand and they have various vintages age there's tenure Pappy's [TS]

  twelve-year Pappy's thirteen-year old ride which I believe since its rise an [TS]

  entirely different mash really sort of it's the same brand but it's a different [TS]

  beverage there's a fifteen-year Pappy's twenty year and then there's a 23 and I [TS]

  think long story short you know it was sort of aficionados brand and you know [TS]

  the order is the more expensive was it was always a little hard to find a [TS]

  little expensive but then somehow at some point in the last two years or so [TS]

  it it like exploded and everybody got on you know kind of caught on to the event [TS]

  legal stuff is fantastic and now it's impossible to get what I had never heard [TS]

  of it until until there was a scandal about it being stolen or something I'd [TS]

  never heard of it and then like I don't know six months ago or something it was [TS]

  like a piece is a huge deal you need to care about it I had never heard of it [TS]

  there was there was an inside job at the at the end of it to the distillery or if [TS]

  it's just where they store it but it was an inside job and a whole bunch of cases [TS]

  of it was stolen [TS]

  about six months ago nobody died I believe that crime is still gone [TS]

  unsolved you know in pennsylvania has everybody was joking about that I don't [TS]

  know I don't think so [TS]

  pennsylvania's weird state where everybody including bars has to buy [TS]

  stuff through the state and I don't think it's very tricky for bars to [TS]

  obtain it but a local establishment we're very close to me here [TS]

  great barbecue place also help you know clearly a great bar Percy Street BBQ at [TS]

  9th and South here in philadelphia got their hands on the full the full six [TS]

  flights for six varieties of of stuff of an illegal distillery and had a special [TS]

  event yesterday at five o'clock I had no idea how was gonna go but I figured it [TS]

  was going to fill up quick so I got there before five which was good because [TS]

  I think they said by like 515 route [TS]

  well what they did and it was pretty smart so they had all six I I can't help [TS]

  but think they had more of the lesser varieties but when you came in the door [TS]

  for the event there is a guy at the front door and you had to tell there is [TS]

  a limit of three ounces per patron of anything you can only a person can only [TS]

  get three houses and you had to pick it as you came in and they would give you a [TS]

  little chip so I i picked two ounces of 23 in one ounce at twenty so I got two [TS]

  chips 423 14 20 and then you know you could use that as you want it I wanted a [TS]

  single to outpour of 23 I could've turned into [TS]

  I went 111 I went 123 one of the 22 sorting see what the difference was an [TS]

  animal back to the 23 and they advertise it is not breaking the bank because I [TS]

  think they could have charged an arm and a leg for the stuff but they charged [TS]

  very very fair prices [TS]

  yeah that's part of the legend to that cost $200 for a glass of the you know [TS]

  the good stuff [TS]

  yea well and then now that it's gotten crazy like I mean quick look on ebay [TS]

  here people are selling one thing he searched from on eBay for for most of [TS]

  what you find are empty bottles people just selling bottles which I can't help [TS]

  but think I mean who wants an empty I mean maybe I can see why some people [TS]

  might want to keep a bottle that they drank if it was a special occasion keep [TS]

  it as a memento or something like that but why would you want to buy an empty [TS]

  bottle from somebody else unless you were looking to like going out with [TS]

  something else [TS]

  you know don't get it when I was in like high school and colleges to order a lot [TS]

  of beer branded nonsense off ebay you know Zippo lighter and inflatable [TS]

  fishing stuff just weird like Miller High Life crap which I thought was cool [TS]

  but yeah I don't know why he would order an empty bottle of I've heard I i cant [TS]

  even find some people have said that you know I'm not a legal it is and I guess [TS]

  in certain states it's legal to sell alcohol on ebay but you know but that on [TS]

  the second hand market the 23 year Pappy Van Winkle is going for like took $2,000 [TS]

  $2,500 a bottle cuz it's just you can't get it you know the retail price the [TS]

  retail price for the 23 is is a couple hundred bucks and is it is it awesome [TS]

  I don't think any bourbon is worth a couple hundred bucks about that's you [TS]

  know I mean like I like to spend the money I do like to indulge and buy good [TS]

  stuff you know I like bourbon so I like to buy good bourbon but to me it isn't [TS]

  even what I could theoretically afford it I get a certain point it's just [TS]

  bourbon you know you can't drink that much of the time and I'm very very I [TS]

  feel pretty confident that I would fail you know to to do a Pepsi challenge [TS]

  between you know you know that I I don't know that I could taste the difference [TS]

  between like you can you can if you put six Bourbons in front of me and said one [TS]

  of these is 23 Pappy Van Winkle I'm not entirely sure all that I could figure [TS]

  that does it have a happy in general doesn't have a strong noticeable taster [TS]

  flavors and just urban the one thing that came out recently is that the one [TS]

  thing that they do differently than a lot of other burdens are almost all of [TS]

  the Bourbons is that they have a higher for now it's it's all in all wheat that [TS]

  they don't they put the minimum amount corn in and that there's another bourbon [TS]

  called JL weller which is made from the same match there is this thing I linked [TS]

  to on during fireball month or two ago which tried to explain the complicated [TS]

  relationship between various Bourbons in rise in Kentucky and Tennessee and Ohio [TS]

  and other places where the made in the USA where there's all these early just [TS]

  to rats right the AM or less where there's only a couple of what they call [TS]

  the day start with a mash mash sold to these distilleries to turn into bourbon [TS]

  but you know and presumably what happens is they'll take the same match that [TS]

  meant [TS]

  Pappy's the Pappy Van Winkle distillery will buy it and they'll put it put it [TS]

  into barrels for aging and then they'll sample these every couple years just to [TS]

  see how this battle going how's this going and that the better the barrel the [TS]

  more the longer you know they'll let it go and only the best of those barrels [TS]

  will go for the full 23 years and then the lesser ones will you know they'll [TS]

  say ok this one was his bottle this one in ten this ones you know it's not going [TS]

  to get any better than the bottle it but that there's this other brand jail [TS]

  weller which is it retails for like I think it's like 18 19 bucks a bottle but [TS]

  it's made from the same mash is Pappy and that it effectively in a poor man's [TS]

  pappy it's more or less like the same match but they the stuff that wasn't [TS]

  good enough to be turned in the keys and that it does taste a lot like poppies [TS]

  ginger ale and it just so they don't put any ride at all in there [TS]

  mash and so you know if you know just basic American whiskeys you know the [TS]

  difference between bourbon in rise that rise sort of pepper and hot is the basic [TS]

  difference him a basic bourbon and a basic right Pappy's to me and it's not [TS]

  just knowing that it doesn't have riots like sort of the taste of it is sort of [TS]

  what rise to bourbon happy is the opposite to regular bourbon it's less [TS]

  separate less hot and smoother and really is a lot more drinkable need [TS]

  anyway the tasting was pretty cool yeah but you know it and I did I Instagram [TS]

  today because I gotta go there but it was like a one time only 15 minutes to [TS]

  communicate these tokens and it came out of it that's a bride Tokyo and I brought [TS]

  back from some whiskey but haven't really had a chance to crack into it yet [TS]

  the other thing I thought was definitely true side-by-side going from the 23 to [TS]

  the 2010 back to the 23 [TS]

  absolutely tasted the difference the 23 which I I think I only had once before [TS]

  in my life and it was on a trip to Vancouver three or four years ago with a [TS]

  bunch of friends for somebody's birthday and it was before the whole Pappy's [TS]

  thing exploded and me my pal gym ray saw it on the list of available disk and how [TS]

  can this possibly be and was like a totally reasonable price per poor I [TS]

  don't like $20 a poor and we we asked to really get shorts 23 shows the bottle [TS]

  and you know I'd like to have him $20 report which was unbelievable [TS]

  but anyway that I think the difference for anybody who cares is that the 23 is [TS]

  little bit a little bit not here a little bit spicier I don't know it [TS]

  definitely it's almost a little bit less like what I've associate with regular [TS]

  Pappy's whereas the 20 is that smooth there wow that's definitely the Platonic [TS]

  ideal of pappy which one is like the you know I would say the most common but the [TS]

  one that's kind of associated the most with being the good ones that the 24 the [TS]

  23 I guess I don't know I guess the 20 and the 23 or both fairly rare I've I [TS]

  almost never seen it used to be not that hard to find it like that shit hole bar [TS]

  in San Francisco the tempus no not that one little messed up I don't know what's [TS]

  going on across the street from the Palace Hotel forget the name but anyway [TS]

  they used to just habit sixteen seventeen dollars poorer than they ran [TS]

  out [TS]

  Parc 55 Hotel Bar used to have the twelve-year just sitting there [TS]

  get it and you know wasn't examine only priced back in the old days ten to [TS]

  twelve years the one that I used to see the most often but not quite the [TS]

  youngest but not aged all that much to keep an eye out for it to see who are [TS]

  members of the executive agency the Wynn Hotel and Casino used to have copies on [TS]

  the list again very you know it's you know it's the Vegas strip and [TS]

  everything's little bit expensive in the Wynn and Encore is the best place on [TS]

  this trip so you know even more expensive but like totally reasonable it [TS]

  was like a typical poor of a good bourbon when Iran Khorasan twelve [TS]

  thirteen fourteen dollars in a staff Pappy's for like 16 crazy of course not [TS]

  anymore not even listed which brings us to get the big roller [TS]

  yeah I'll bad it can get up to like this right the sky casino there's a button [TS]

  and go in there you know I was there for opening weekend and I haven't been there [TS]

  since I haven't been to Vegas in almost 10 years of embarrassing that's a long [TS]

  time [TS]

  yeah you going to go in the elevator and there's a button that says KY casinos [TS]

  like the top floor of course you can present you have to have a special card [TS]

  to get in so I asked somebody at the hotel ones I went down the sky casino [TS]

  and they're like like like people with $100,000 [TS]

  it's like they don't usually like high limit live most casinos have like [TS]

  highland area where a lot of background [TS]

  and blackjack tables that start at $100 maybe even higher on the weekend it's [TS]

  like for the people who like that high limit lounges yeah did you read that [TS]

  book 10 years old now by a Wall Street Journal writer who got I think of [TS]

  $40,000 advance and the book was that he was gambling has advanced away in Vegas [TS]

  now I don't think so yes it was good i mean especially for you know that had [TS]

  just turned 21 so is very exciting this is this the the gambling we can't afford [TS]

  to do was he like like had a gambling problem or that was the premise like he [TS]

  was a premise of the book right he's gonna take his advanced gambling and [TS]

  then write about what happen and like the kind of treatment of guns yeah and [TS]

  you know all the money he won and lost and won and in you know [TS]

  interspersed with stories about his famous Vegas people and he was a wall [TS]

  street journal reporter I think that was what the cover said you know I could [TS]

  just be a freelancer something but yeah something like that [TS]

  gotta find it up forty ok yes I'm like that I find it I'll send it to you [TS]

  alright that'd be great yes it was fun and a great way to do it and you you [TS]

  know you might go further than you think with that I forgot how long that he [TS]

  liked stayed there until I think he got sick of it and then he still had some [TS]

  money or something and then he came back again and lost all but maybe I don't [TS]

  remember I don't wanna I wanna spoke too much of it but something like that it's [TS]

  crazy which brings us to see yes yeah and what has now become an annual [TS]

  tradition which is after see us I have you on the show we talk about CES even [TS]

  though neither of us has ever have ever been I think last year I actually [TS]

  listened to it yesterday and I think we pledge to go this year [TS]

  dunno but the funny part is the funny part is I asked you to be on the show [TS]

  this week so I thought you know I know you weren't there and you know I for [TS]

  every reason that I asked you last year the same reason I thought you'd be a [TS]

  good guide to talk about it you know CBS from the far this year and then after [TS]

  IDM do and say hey can you have time to do the show this week as soon as I hit [TS]

  Send I was like hey wait a minute deja-vu [TS]

  did this last year and I quickly I was like oh yeah and then I remembered that [TS]

  what we agreed to go and actually this year even more than last year I'm kind [TS]

  of mad that I didn't go cuz everyone you know and I don't want to repeat [TS]

  everything I said last time we can just linked to that show everyone I know who [TS]

  was there for the right reasons seem to have a lot of fun yeah I totally agree I [TS]

  can we could just maybe we could displace and all the audio from last [TS]

  year but now I had that same feeling we're like at the beginning at the start [TS]

  of the seems like if you go to cover the show in any sense whether you're there [TS]

  to actually do like hundred posts a week like the very jarring gadget or even if [TS]

  your gonna take a saner or filtered approach you know and and do a lot of [TS]

  the filtering before you've presented to your reader like I don't like pubs new [TS]

  site or something like that or like my favorite the wire cutter who did one [TS]

  post for all of CES which is just a love it it's so awesome they took like the [TS]

  most insane thing with 5,000 vendors it one post which is so great but even so [TS]

  it seems like you go there you try to get there by sunday even though the show [TS]

  doesn't officially start till Tuesday it seems like Sunday night the pre-show [TS]

  stuff starts Monday there's a lot of announcements and then like Tuesday [TS]

  Wednesday Thursday like the main show days [TS]

  and I think the main like you're already you're already sweaty so when you start [TS]

  drinking and gambling and whatever but it's in preparation I watched a bunch of [TS]

  the verge videos and looked at some of those you know that every year there's [TS]

  the article of the 10 most ridiculous things that we saw at CES in that kind [TS]

  of stuff and the kind of comparison their release from to mind is is another [TS]

  thing that of course never been to Burning Man it's just like the same just [TS]

  a sea like endless CEO of ridiculous nonsense and and a lot of garbage and [TS]

  people smell bad but if you're there for the right reasons it can be really fun [TS]

  yeah I think the difference between Burning Man in CES from me in some way [TS]

  like miss a daytime hours both of them there's a sort of I'd like to see it at [TS]

  least once but then in Burning Man tonight you have to sleep in a dirty [TS]

  tent where you at CES you can see hotel totally which had a real big deal for me [TS]

  sleeping in a tent I'm kind of hoping I go from here till a long happy life and [TS]

  eventual death with never having slept in a tent again so i dont no me hagas to [TS]

  me as a burning Man with ya just you know any of those pictures there there [TS]

  there can be thousands of people in the field of view it seems just unbelievable [TS]

  and you know of course a lot of them are there to do actual work like there have [TS]

  been some pretty good serious stories about people who are therefore actual [TS]

  job functions and one of the things that seem ridiculous to me at first about [TS]

  this year was like a Marissa Mayer's giving the keynote one but then I but [TS]

  then I read an article about how you know as digital media has become so much [TS]

  a part of the consumer electronics industry huge ad deals are happening out [TS]

  there and so you know you see some very strange binds of who's that guy David [TS]

  Blaine doing magic tricks in front of Dick Costolo from Twitter just to see [TS]

  that has easy and yeah I'm sure Marissa Mayer and David Pogue you know went from [TS]

  the keynote straight into a meeting with Samsung or something it's at a register [TS]

  billion dollar check so they're people are doing work out there too but also [TS]

  just insanity to it does seem like a lot of the consensus reporting i've seen [TS]

  from CES this year is that the craziness was dialed down and not in terms of the [TS]

  size and scope of things but just like the this stupid crazy I don't even [TS]

  understand what's going on here sort of yeah no racist right acrobatic [TS]

  and I saw a couple people mention that booth babes seemed to be on the decline [TS]

  may be all they play listen to our show from last year and got some sense about [TS]

  the one of things I was thinking about it would be funny if this was the year [TS]

  that Apple actually had a giant booth and just didn't tell anyone like we did [TS]

  they kept the Beyonce album a secret let's let's have a huge CES booth this [TS]

  year to ensure every year as someone would report some rumor like oh no Apple [TS]

  AAPL to give CES keynote [TS]

  you know well and it was rampant after they pulled out of Macworld great I mean [TS]

  it wasn't even just for the next year although that was one year was at a [TS]

  fever pitch but even the next year there was a lot of rumor reporting that Apple [TS]

  is going to do it [TS]

  keynote in big exhibited yes and it's like now you know there's no way they're [TS]

  gonna die from Nvidia's test test outbid them so I did think one of the big [TS]

  stories and I don't know maybe the sample sizes too small to really draw a [TS]

  conclusion that Apple of course wasn't there [TS]

  officially which is not to say that one apple employees there there were you [TS]

  know they're always hard to talk to you know component makers and stuff like [TS]

  that and someone mentioned in an article [TS]

  Apple retail buyers looking at that stuff to sell the stores yeah exactly [TS]

  and I'm sure that there are engineers there to just you know just see because [TS]

  it's the one thing that the something like CES does it get the entire industry [TS]

  altogether and you can see stuff in person and as you know there's there's [TS]

  reasons to to be in person you know that the behind the scenes stuff is important [TS]

  chauffeur maybe more important but also Microsoft was not there even though they [TS]

  you know for years that was CES was sort of their Macworld Expo it was you know [TS]

  they were the keynote address the kickoff keynote for ten fifteen years in [TS]

  a row dating all the way back to the bill gates era and then all the way [TS]

  through most of this bombing but they are not only have dropped out of the [TS]

  keynote they had no show Joe for presence at all nor did Google and just [TS]

  a throw-in one more north north at Amazon now amazon has either but they do [TS]

  make consumer electronics the Kindle line is I think it's impossible to [TS]

  dismiss I mean that's the market share stuff I've seen after Christmas for [TS]

  tablet use usage clearly puts the candles in second a very strong second [TS]

  place in Aus but they were not there either [TS]

  and their thing that struck me about all for those companies is that they're us' [TS]

  companies and I think that you know unless I'm overlooking somebody tell me [TS]

  if I am there are the four big us' consumer electronics companies like [TS]

  Google Microsoft and Amazon and none of them were at CES it seems like it's [TS]

  almost you know like the big exhibits are all from the agent companies right [TS]

  Sony and Samsung LG right that's interesting and I don't know if there is [TS]

  a wonder what I wonder why that is [TS]

  yeah and I don't know if it's like I said there's only four of them and [TS]

  they're all uniquely their own company right i mean Apple's not there just [TS]

  because Apple's an American company just Apple and they want to be left alone [TS]

  until they're you know have their things to announce [TS]

  Amazon's kind of like that to ya even more secretive than Apple in many ways [TS]

  yeah definitely Google though I think it's a little you know it seems like [TS]

  something they might do you know how big hall and and you know either just to [TS]

  promote their like Nexus line of stuff or you know or even have like a kumbaya [TS]

  you know look at all you know how about every major Android phone on display at [TS]

  one's just you know which they did for at least both years that I was at Mobile [TS]

  World Congress in Barcelona they had a the biggest most popular booth with you [TS]

  know smooth the people making smoothies and gigantic Android phones and they [TS]

  brought out a bunch of Android developers and gave them little booths [TS]

  in that kind of stuff and maybe they'll do that again at Mobile World Congress [TS]

  this year right that's I don't know if they did it last year I wasn't there [TS]

  last year but you know in theory I think of all those companies to that would be [TS]

  least surprising if they did have a big CES presence would be Microsoft and who [TS]

  will specially Microsoft the new Xbox just came out right tony was gonna be [TS]

  there trying Nokia right right maybe and maybe the just the fact that they are in [TS]

  the process of tryna by Nokia and the whole CEO turnover thing kept them out [TS]

  but that seems weird and I also think that they really want Windows 8 on [TS]

  tablets to gain traction I think they will do how could I think I think I [TS]

  don't know is it more important than the phone I don't know but both are clearly [TS]

  important I mean I think everybody agrees that the group cause of [TS]

  Microsoft's [TS]

  decline in recent years is that they have no traction in either the phone or [TS]

  tablet markets and you know i i almost hesitate to say that once more important [TS]

  than the other cuz I think that they sort of go hand in hand and even if [TS]

  office and not window is the path forward or even the cloud services or [TS]

  whatever that still needs that you know that that's more important for the [TS]

  tablets offices not gonna do awesome on Android or something you know what I'm [TS]

  gonna take it back I'm gonna say tablets are more important the Microsoft than [TS]

  phones because for two reasons for one there's the phones are already a two [TS]

  horse race with iOS and Android or iOS has a stronger position at the top end [TS]

  of the market and Android has a stronger position as the majority market share [TS]

  leader right and has the OEM market sewn up [TS]

  whereas tablets I feel like alright iPad is clearly in first place way stronger [TS]

  first place then then you know you could argue anybody has in anything other than [TS]

  windows in PC market share and second places up for grabs [TS]

  right and I think inevitably there there should be some kind of strong second [TS]

  place right like you know even if it's really just ends up being the Mac what [TS]

  the Mac was two windows at the height of the PC era somebody's gonna have an [TS]

  alternative to the iPad and you know you know at least I feel like Microsoft has [TS]

  a better chance of making Windows and Windows tablets be that than they do [TS]

  putting a serious dent into either iOS or Android on phones so I don't know and [TS]

  i also think it's a little bit more what the you know shoring up what they're [TS]

  already good at like I feel like tablet sales are coming at the expense mainly [TS]

  of Windows laptops else yes so that adds extra urgency and Microsoft count [TS]

  started the whole tablets at CES thing I mean if you remember was it two weeks or [TS]

  something before Apple you know unveiled the iPhone iPad bomber had that weird HP [TS]

  Slate thing right right yeah the bomber keynote @ CES that was like a look [TS]

  forward to i you know and I'll say it I regret that I never went during that era [TS]

  to see how it's like the Bulls with Jordan now it's too late to take a break [TS]

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  be true so I anybody out there who got who really likes coffee and and you know [TS]

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  your relatives know you like coffee quote-unquote like coffee and gave you [TS]

  Starbucks gift cards for the holidays you haven't used them because you don't [TS]

  really go to Starbucks don't from now don't get my go-to talks you can put him [TS]

  in there and put all that money into a tank subscription which is fantastic [TS]

  that's that's very smart genius absolutely genius I love it so they did [TS]

  a thing where they send it out I guess because they've sponsored by show before [TS]

  they they sent me a Christmas card holiday card that included a Starbucks [TS]

  gift card and there's no explanation I thought it was just sort of a gag I [TS]

  tweeted in the city was like the best gag if I got but now knowing that they [TS]

  have this promotion I realized it wasn't really a guy go sort of a setup for this [TS]

  but anyway [TS]

  talks is so great I'm drinking it literally right now [TS]

  yeah I think Microsoft should it be [TS]

  yeah I think for tablets honestly I think for phones cause honestly I mean [TS]

  Nokia it to me they're making to me the second I don't know about this offer but [TS]

  they're making to me the second most interesting phone hardware today but [TS]

  they're still flailing they're not really gaining traction I don't know [TS]

  that their sinking but they're not going to you know and if it's worth microsoft [TS]

  money to buy Nokia or at least the handset division I don't know it just [TS]

  seems to me like they oughta start on it keep pumping them into the consciousness [TS]

  you know keep the pre keep invisible I don't know trade shows are obviously [TS]

  very expensive especially I can't even imagine what it costs to have one of [TS]

  those flagship exhibits at like a CES for big show like that that's sure to [TS]

  millions of dollars yeah it's gotta be you know maybe ten million or something [TS]

  on her right but you're talking about a company that spending billions with Abby [TS]

  to buy a Nokia right and you know just in general and marketing and all that [TS]

  stuff and the cost of losing the windows you know everything they have is [TS]

  everything its hundreds of billions of dollars right so close range I just [TS]

  can't help but think maybe the the CEO turnover is why they didn't do it just [TS]

  to keep you know keep the distractions away but I don't know maybe a sign of [TS]

  paralysis especially with that the new Xbox out and trying to build in [TS]

  developer ecosystem around that and and you know be part of the all the fork [TS]

  ATVs are out you know how cool would it have been to be to be able to play a [TS]

  couple Xbox games and one of those things [TS]

  there was one article also on the verge about how there's basically no for k [TS]

  content to show up except Netflix had some said they were you know being [TS]

  demoed on all the new TVs which is smart damn Netflix with a big presence without [TS]

  having the big are maybe even any exhibits base themselves Reed Hastings [TS]

  was just he was at every single event for anybody related to TV and it seems [TS]

  like I would have to say if not the single biggest one of the big you know [TS]

  count them on one hand themes of this year's CES was Fourcade TV set [TS]

  definitely like you said the big question is will what are you well I've [TS]

  actually there's two big questions for 48 TV sets 10 first one is where you [TS]

  gonna get for k content because there's no point to it without Forte content and [TS]

  so far the answer like you said his Netflix but even there they can't just [TS]

  magically make stuff that wasn't shot for KB for K but I know that they're [TS]

  going to you know the one thing they can control our their own shows and they [TS]

  have in a house of cards which they're going to have available in porque ya [TS]

  we're just the new season which starts next month [TS]

  yeah couple weeks from now yeah I mean that's that's one of the beauties of [TS]

  vertical integration have control over that sort of stuff for kids interesting [TS]

  to me I'm kind of impressed by how inexpensive some of the supposedly [TS]

  prices are going to be for those things I'm very frightened as to how much worse [TS]

  the wire is gonna look it already does now I think I have to rewatch it once [TS]

  more before I upgrade TV's or something like that [TS]

  I guess it depends what it was shot on maybe the wires soldi I would go where [TS]

  it was shot in a look it up this morning it was shot in SDE for by three years [TS]

  there will never be an HDD remastering but didn't they should on film [TS]

  couldn't they this I don't know the whatever article I read that there's no [TS]

  chance to get that to go back in and turn it back into I don't think so D [TS]

  you know a lot of the shows during that period like the first few seasons were [TS]

  for by three and then you know something like entourage or something like that [TS]

  and I think even the Sopranos like the last several seasons for NHD yeah and [TS]

  there you know there was a shift and a half way through the wire all everything [TS]

  was always St 4343 major disappointment [TS]

  yeah it was sort of right at the tail end of that you know where is if you go [TS]

  back a little further and you know like one of my favorite shows in the nineties [TS]

  was NYPD blue oh yeah great show especially the first few seasons but it [TS]

  doesn't break your heart that it that it's 423 standard definition because it [TS]

  was the nineties what do you expect where's the wire it just feels like was [TS]

  just a few years ago too early [TS]

  here's the thing I think the bigger problem facing Fourcade is how many [TS]

  people sit have a couch far enough away from their TV and have room for a big [TS]

  enough TV or 40 actually looks better right and you get into these arguments [TS]

  you know the apples definitions of a Retina display of [TS]

  you know its distance from the screen and some math about the pixel size but [TS]

  there is a certain point where you can't discern it right and when you went from [TS]

  an old 43 standard def glass picture tube TV to a flat screen plasma or LCD [TS]

  high-def screen [TS]

  you know you unless you had some kind of vision impairment didn't have your [TS]

  glasses on everybody had the same reaction which is wow this looks way [TS]

  better I don't know that when I first got a HDMI enough talked about on this [TS]

  show but I even would watch skiing because it looks so good like this is [TS]

  crazy stuff like golf and tennis with these little tiny balls in the air [TS]

  hockey was a big one hockey I think God hockey was unwatchable standard def I [TS]

  never understood how people could watch hockey you couldn't tracks glowing [TS]

  brightly was awful I don't know that for K for most people is going to look [TS]

  better and I don't you know i think thats the problem the TV industry TV [TS]

  said industry has is everybody spent a lot of money to upgrade and go to high [TS]

  death flat panel displays an awful lot of money was spent in what the last [TS]

  fifteen years ten fifteen years I got mine nine years ago when I think we [TS]

  bought ours [TS]

  around the same time I don't know that I think I got mine early 2006 you know and [TS]

  I was right as they were getting cheaper lot of people spent a lot of money and I [TS]

  still love my 2006 TV I mean really think it looks great [TS]

  yes yeah I think it's gonna be one of those things where you know it will just [TS]

  gradually replace the HDD components and if you are buying a mid-range and [TS]

  high-end TV it will be for k if you're not it'll pry be 1080p [TS]

  the way today we still bias 1080 I 720p TV if you wanna spend 300 bucks in [TS]

  appearance been seven eight hundred bucks to get 1080p I just don't know [TS]

  that it's going to really help the industry you know spur sales I am glad I [TS]

  feel like the gun I don't think of the good news to me as someone who really [TS]

  despises 3d is that the whole 3d thing which is like what the last two years [TS]

  they've they were putting a 3d TV sets and I just man if I could've just faded [TS]

  jeans you know to give me a wish and hope that it technology fails it would [TS]

  be 3d TVs cause I can't even imagine a world where you know movies are all 3d [TS]

  whether you need glasses or not I 3d really gets to me every time I see it I [TS]

  should get a happy though that the good guys won on that one yeah I am glad it's [TS]

  a technology lose over the course of a few years and and feel good about that [TS]

  yeah I feel like common sense prevailed yeah like no we don't want and we [TS]

  certainly don't want to work for goggles and dressed up like that and I don't you [TS]

  know I think it was not because 3d was a good idea it was because the TV [TS]

  manufacturers wanted to sell new TVs to people who already bought flat-panel TVs [TS]

  and so i didnt work we're trying to upsell you know the the 3d TVs as being [TS]

  significantly more expensive product then right as opposed to four ka which I [TS]

  can in theory get behind because more pixels to me is always better and so [TS]

  it's definitely you know I'm not it again I'm not a hundred percent sold its [TS]

  gonna take off because I don't know that people are gonna be able to discern the [TS]

  difference unless they can [TS]

  get a big enough you know sixty seventy and screen yeah I don't know about your [TS]

  household but I still come home sometimes in and see that the St version [TS]

  of channels being watched and that no one could tell the difference I tweeted [TS]

  about it over the Christmas break but my wife had like a day where she will like [TS]

  Jonas was playing Minecraft and I was working in the office and she just had [TS]

  like a relaxing day watching movies and was like three or four of her favorite [TS]

  movies that nobody else likes came on like houseguest I hate she loves [TS]

  houseguest anytime [TS]

  house comes on she watches it's a terrible movie god bless her heart man I [TS]

  wish we still have you know that but you know I'd come down to get coffee and [TS]

  stuff and every every thing she was watching all day long with standard [TS]

  drove me nuts maybe something like that is this better I would pay more money in [TS]

  this is stupid because it doesn't make any sense I would pay more money to [TS]

  Comcast to just take all the standard channels all of our lineup just get him [TS]

  off so that there's nothing we can't watch standard I think if you dig deep [TS]

  enough in the settings on your cable box you can override this tea somehow I [TS]

  don't know I'm not sure I haven't tried that yet another thing I'm wondering [TS]

  about his is the bandwidth though I mean if if fork a video is you know two to [TS]

  four times more and with a stream [TS]

  properly is it is going to watch Berlin be at what point does time warner cable [TS]

  or compuserve however say okay well you hit your 200 gigs limit now now you're [TS]

  done right charging you for it right because they're not really all that much [TS]

  in favor of you watching TV over IP exactly by which I mean not in favour at [TS]

  all [TS]

  yeah that's a good question and a fix that no definitely not now with I saw a [TS]

  couple reports this week that with compression and I don't know if they're [TS]

  using 8265 or or what what the kodak is but that they think like it a lot of the [TS]

  net flix stuff because Netflix actually is putting the rubber to the road and [TS]

  doing it that it's about fifteen 15 megabits a second something like that is [TS]

  what it requires not only I can I run speed test one of my stops working well [TS]

  I only get about 20 21 22 down so and i still cant load YouTube videos half the [TS]

  time you have 15 under that but it's so much so close to it though that it it [TS]

  almost requires optimal optimal good weather just a perfect you know hope [TS]

  that my neighbors aren't doing it to ya which is why Netflix actually is at [TS]

  least publicly that one of the the fiercest companies in terms of publicly [TS]

  praising and and and rating and ranking ISPs in terms of their quality [TS]

  kind of interesting and lobbying you know things like [TS]

  you know net neutrality and that sort of stuff yeah let me take a break here and [TS]

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  went retirement as for k bandwidth bandwidth yeah and so Apple's you know [TS]

  obviously said not at the show much much rumored to be you know possibly working [TS]

  on some kind of new TV thing whether it is a full tv sadder you know big step [TS]

  forward and Apple TV I wonder how for k what their stance on that is you know I [TS]

  know there's a lot of people who think well that's what I you know people who [TS]

  do know that the gene monsters of the world who thinks you know right that's [TS]

  what Apple's been waiting for [TS]

  right been waiting for for K know about that you know about that at all [TS]

  yeah I would I would say no I mean I guess you know personally I have kind of [TS]

  been waiting to upgrade my TV in case Apple were to have come out with one by [TS]

  now you know when it breaks I'm gonna replace it with whatever South there but [TS]

  I could see a lot of people buying an Apple TV because it came out and [TS]

  therefore you know if it were for k that's how they would get that's how [TS]

  they would justify getting a fork a baby but I think that that's not what's been [TS]

  holding them back now and then I also wonder you know because Apple controls a [TS]

  lot of the content that comes out of TV because they have [TS]

  have you know they they sell and rent movies and TV shows but I honestly [TS]

  wonder how how much control they have over getting that stuff in for k format [TS]

  I don't think it's any it's not like they've got the original negatives for [TS]

  the film's incomes can emit fork a resolution you know it's up to the [TS]

  studios to provide you know you know I don't know that that just because you [TS]

  know so much of Apple TV content comes from iTunes I don't know that that gives [TS]

  Apple much control over getting the iTunes library in the forecast I don't [TS]

  know that maybe I'm wrong and how did it work with the hd2 didn't start with two [TS]

  separate movies or TV shows and remember don't know that you know it was but it [TS]

  wasn't all at once they couldn't [TS]

  yeah well obviously they don't they don't make the content so they can just [TS]

  go out on their own and do it and it seems like another opportunity for the [TS]

  studios to try to get something out of Apple you know before they hand over is [TS]

  it even higher res tough especially with that whole ultraviolet they may have on [TS]

  their own so yeah and Apple you know big picture is often they'll often make [TS]

  great leaps forward with things like being like the retina display on the [TS]

  iPhone 4 2010 was a huge leap forward in resolution over every other phone on the [TS]

  market [TS]

  literally double the resolution in only one dimension as the previous generation [TS]

  of iPhones and you know three hundred and some dpi hundred-and-some dpi but [TS]

  then ever since they've let it go and now it went from you know and now [TS]

  there's other competing phones you know from the Android side that had four [TS]

  hundred and some pixels per inch and I feel like with you know with Apple it's [TS]

  like they'll make a big leap forward if they think there's a practical reason [TS]

  for right and the original iPhone going retina was so clearly oh man this looks [TS]

  so much better [TS]

  special you know everything look better whereas I feel like going from three [TS]

  hundred and some to 400 some dpi on a phone is you're just wasting battery you [TS]

  know that it's not working with a horrible Android you are right [TS]

  yeah you know see those wonderful Roboto 50 rendered in all their glory and I [TS]

  almost think that from an apple perspective that 1080p is that sweet [TS]

  spot looks really good and most typical household viewing scenarios you know in [TS]

  terms of screen size versus distance from screen [TS]

  well this was actually I still think it from this precedent for this to actually [TS]

  wrote a story about this for forbes 2006 or 2007 when iTunes first started [TS]

  selling movies and Amazon first though it's only movies that they were both [TS]

  around the same time and what Amazon did is sold you a major download I wanna say [TS]

  two copies of the movie one of them was a really big file and look good on your [TS]

  computer and the other was a really small file maybe there was a pilot I [TS]

  think Apple did that I seem to remember that maybe Amazon had remember anyway [TS]

  alright I'll define the article I think it was able to do that too so anyway but [TS]

  it didn't make sense to have a big you know 720p or 1080p file to show on your [TS]

  standard death screen made no sense I here's article Apple basically Apple's [TS]

  total files size was smaller than Amazon's and the question I you know I [TS]

  was writing about was whether yeah Amazon had two files a large version for [TS]

  computer and TV and a smaller one for a year like Rio mp3 player something like [TS]

  that [TS]

  for watching movies on your Galaxy gear yes exactly [TS]

  yeah amazonas during 720 pixel within an Apple said DVD quality [TS]

  640 pixels anyway the big picture is Apple saying we're okay not having the [TS]

  highest resolution possible because there are better tradeoffs like download [TS]

  speed that that make this better so I could see the same thing happening here [TS]

  where they don't go with the most pixels possible on a TV but instead one that [TS]

  will you know kind of hit the sweet spot in terms of bandwidth and content [TS]

  library and all that sort of stuff I mean how lame would it be if Apple [TS]

  shipped for KTV and literally nothing was was available in 4 case they [TS]

  wouldn't even do that everything you have looks like shit on our new TV [TS]

  well it would look like 1080p I don't think 1080p is gonna look worse on for [TS]

  KTV said you know it's you think so now I don't think so I could be wrong but I [TS]

  don't think so yeah well the way that nine retina apps look terrible on a [TS]

  Retina screen but may have differences imperceptible from six feet away right [TS]

  because if it's because I think it's more like with like the retina MacBook [TS]

  Pros where you have those skilled sizes to simulate higher resolutions and they [TS]

  still look fine yeah cause you're still only you're talking about pixels that [TS]

  are so small even at the simulated size right the simulated pixel is bigger than [TS]

  the native pixel of the display but that simulated size is still so small that [TS]

  your it looks good your eyes [TS]

  whereas when you upscale a non retina iPhone app on retina [TS]

  those non-threatening virtual pixels are are big and you didn't see them so I [TS]

  nearly certain and I'm sure I hear otherwise from you but I would bet that [TS]

  1080p content looks like 1080p content on it this way yet and things like no [TS]

  worse than it would on an equivalent size 1080p yep unless you get real close [TS]

  which is you know which is not what happens for a TV or monitor that's a [TS]

  different story but but what's the point of of power on all those pixels in [TS]

  paying for all those pixels to watch 1080p when you could have just spent [TS]

  less money on a 1080p native exactly that now there are things like you know [TS]

  if if they have a gaming app store you know with vector based gaming artwork [TS]

  that does look appreciably different na na na for KTV I don't know I guess what [TS]

  to go good to see ya I just don't think to say I don't think four cases that [TS]

  factor no I don't think so you know my my my thinking on this and you know just [TS]

  from not having any real information but just kind of reading stuff over the [TS]

  years is that Apple really wanted to have some sort of subscription service [TS]

  that was just dramatically better and more interesting than a cable TV package [TS]

  and couldn't get the rights for that and therefore kind of dropped the ball on a [TS]

  lot of other stuff I don't know if that's true or not but that's that's the [TS]

  perception I have yeah I wanted to how much of it is still fueled by what may [TS]

  well just be a throwaway line in the Steve Jobs biography by Walter Isaacson [TS]

  that that [TS]

  somethin somethin bout TV in the job said I've cracked it and that's it yeah [TS]

  you know who who even knows what that means I still am still have convinced at [TS]

  least if not 51 percent convinced that the Apple TV we have today is the that's [TS]

  apples TV plans and that you know they'll just come out you know it's [TS]

  getting to the point where it's overdue for a new version but that it's just [TS]

  gonna be another $99 box with maybe higher resolution than a better remote [TS]

  I've said this so many times I still think it's the most likely scenario for [TS]

  how they go forward that they just keep selling $99 set-top boxes and I'm sure [TS]

  you know as a company that makes things with screens like I'm sure they've [TS]

  tested out computers in every screen size imaginable they already make 30 [TS]

  inch display where they did so I'm sure they've tried out TV set or something [TS]

  like that but making that in your product as a whole different story I do [TS]

  I do I love my apples I find myself using it much more than even I did a [TS]

  year ago so I really hope they do more and you know it's one of those things [TS]

  where they they had maybe one channel every few weeks you don't notice it but [TS]

  if you remember even a year ago they were like you know even fill up the [TS]

  first screen and now there's a lot of stuff on there [TS]

  yeah I'm not watching but I think they had a pretty good year of adding content [TS]

  Apple TV I really do ya think it suggests that maybe they're starting to [TS]

  why I had read i think is HBO you know even admitted publicly that they made [TS]

  their app themselves so it sounds like Apple has some sort of very simple tool [TS]

  kit that they're letting other people use now to make those channels [TS]

  yeah that to me could be the you know my best guess for what he meant by a [TS]

  cracked it and it's just you know maybe it's some kind of next generation thing [TS]

  bluetooth for the remotes and so they maybe you could even have like gaming [TS]

  remote and a real App Store SDK and let people just you know put apps on Apple [TS]

  TV the same way they do their iPhone and iPad but that would work with any TV [TS]

  while IDs or distribute those boxes than a massive IC whenever one of my [TS]

  neighbors get City vs massive cardboard box on the site the one TV said at CES [TS]

  this year that did get a little bit of my attention [TS]

  stood out from the others with LG because they announced one that runs [TS]

  webOS which I had forgotten that they'd purchased they like purchased webOS from [TS]

  HP what's what's the thinking behind that is just that it's easy to write [TS]

  apps for it [TS]

  JavaScript I i guess i dont know I mean and it's obviously the original [TS]

  the webOS as we knew it from the Palm Pre phone and the telecom the PlayBook [TS]

  was a you know i OS style glass touchscreen interface and obviously your [TS]

  TV set is not a touch screen but it seems like they kind of kept it you know [TS]

  so it's not really webOS as we knew it but its webOS base similar to how you [TS]

  know had a low-level technically Apple TV the one you buy today is running iOS [TS]

  version of iOS it's just not it's a totally different interface [TS]

  yeah I actually did a research report about the various development platforms [TS]

  for Smart TVs and it's it's horrible it's WAY worse than Android like it's [TS]

  almost every model year has a different SDK and you have to test them like crazy [TS]

  it takes months or even years to make it a smart TV app for a lot of [TS]

  manufacturing case and there are using different technology and chipsets and [TS]

  all this crap and is a lot of low level stuff so it's just a disaster so if [TS]

  webOS is like hey just you know HTML and Javascript and you're all set [TS]

  that's a huge advantage over whatever you know Visio or Samsung has been [TS]

  forcing people to do and I could be a big advantage for Apple because Apple [TS]

  not only has tons of developers now you know because obviously I mean I think it [TS]

  would be almost shocking if the STK were anything other then Objective C and [TS]

  cocoa API's you know but optimized for TV but they also suggest that they have [TS]

  developers but that they have i mean let's go all the way back to 1990 and [TS]

  say you know 89 and say you know you know go back to next and say they've got [TS]

  twenty to twenty-five years of experience making a developer platform [TS]

  that evolves over time so that it's not you know it is familiar [TS]

  you know if anybody has written an iOS app room a cab the presumed AppleTV SDK [TS]

  would be pretty familiar and that as it involves year over year over year it's [TS]

  not gonna break it you're over year and that you're writing a nap in 2014 and [TS]

  2015 it's going to be broken [TS]

  you know it would be stable stable platform that evolves over time which i [TS]

  think is a big difference compared to like what you're saying about [TS]

  the smart TVs on the market today [TS]

  yeah and also a platform that has been smartly designed for that type of [TS]

  equipments gonna run on now whereas even even the attempts to kind of shoe horn [TS]

  Andhra into it [TS]

  TV you know and how well that's working for me and it is this sort of thing [TS]

  we're even if they come out with and I think you know obviously it would be the [TS]

  thing that would slow adoption the most is if if Apple's Apple TV of the future [TS]

  is a whole TV set the whole thing at once you have to buy a new TV said but [TS]

  it's all built in I think that would slow adoption because obviously the [TS]

  price would be higher and it would rule out anybody who says well I just bought [TS]

  a TV X number of years ago replacing it even for a cool one from Apple even if [TS]

  you know their market share was very low like 23 percent of the whole USTV market [TS]

  that hold 23 percent would be on their app store and even a 23 percent of all [TS]

  households clearly I think that would make it the the most popular platform [TS]

  for developers already even with just 23 percent market share because the whole [TS]

  thing is so fractured especially if they know made it openly the trouble with [TS]

  stuff like the Xbox SDK is there still very tightly controlled right right [TS]

  that's my biggest [TS]

  can't see that being the only way to run Apple TV apps like I could see that [TS]

  being the preferred way like maybe the Apple TV has you know you don't need to [TS]

  have some sort of other input for the whatever remote control they have or [TS]

  something like that but I can't see them forcing you to buy it the whole [TS]

  television to yeah I thought the same thing to that even if they come out with [TS]

  it he said they'd still have set top boxes that you can put into other TV [TS]

  sets but then you get into questions of you know latency and [TS]

  and if you have apps that depend upon that the lesser latency of the native [TS]

  you know the the whole shebang built into the Apple one by itself how they [TS]

  run on the one that sucked up by HDMI has a additional latency or something [TS]

  like that I don't know but yeah I agree I don't think that they would do it that [TS]

  way did you do you see any any smart watches you like this week [TS]

  no not at all although wearables totally seem to be the second big theme of the [TS]

  show especially i think i mean it seemed to me from my the coverage I saw sitting [TS]

  at home [TS]

  wrist wearables some of them watches some of them more like maybe by quantity [TS]

  more of them more like a Nike FuelBand like plain band around arrest I got [TS]

  people upset I guess when I called out the pedal steel is being ugly horrible [TS]

  right I don't like the old Casio watches that my uncle stash had and liked the [TS]

  early nineties and you can still buy those that like american apparel and [TS]

  it's sort of like american apparel style retro hip like yeah they'll also sell [TS]

  you a pair of like you know like the glasses my dad was wearing in 1982 the [TS]

  metal bar but it's almost to me it's more almost like a knockoff of those [TS]

  Casias just like the integration of the band to the watch face it just seems [TS]

  really really clinically done and I I like the first one is born [TS]

  I don't have one but I do have one I have so I do have some experience you [TS]

  know speaking of it but like I wrote on during fireball least the other one the [TS]

  original one to me it's true to itself is it a beautiful watch know but it's [TS]

  to me it's no uglier than any other digital watch it's a slightly awkward [TS]

  form factor may be but you know it's to support its portrait landscape display [TS]

  I'd I think it's a big step backwards in my opinion because I feel like they've [TS]

  concentrated like and effectively from everything I've read that like the [TS]

  screen resolution is exactly the same the screen technologies the same the [TS]

  insides of the same like they they're like effort over the last year has been [TS]

  to to to make these met all watches in metal and leather bands as opposed to [TS]

  improving the thing that I think they should have been working on which is the [TS]

  software and I know they have a 2.0 software release coming to but it it's [TS]

  not a better computing device it's just supposedly a better and more attractive [TS]

  watch but to me it's not it's really horrid the juju people had spent that [TS]

  whole year making the case look better as thats what was gonna make it right [TS]

  more competitive against the inevitable iPad right and the thing that got me and [TS]

  no offense to the public people and I'm rooting for them I hope pebble becomes a [TS]

  long-term success [TS]

  terms of you know who I would love to see a power company like people grow and [TS]

  become a success I just feel like this generation is a step backwards and that [TS]

  they've lost their way they've lost their eyes off the ball [TS]

  but they said it a couple came out at CES and said we've made it our watches [TS]

  look better and all the tech press was like pebble has made their watches look [TS]

  better because that's what they said as opposed to looking at them and the same [TS]

  man he's up watches are ugh yeah so here's the next annoying trend for the [TS]

  next year maybe forward is tech companies like that the nerdiest of [TS]

  nerdy tech companies pretending that that they have friends in the fashion [TS]

  industry [TS]

  case in point this invitation my wife was a fashion journalists got inviting [TS]

  her from Intel to the CES wearable technology briefing for an intimate [TS]

  session on what's next for Intel in fashion is the microchip company [TS]

  semiconductor company inviting fashion people to hear what they're doing in [TS]

  fashion like I can't even imagine how awesome that I think my favorite part of [TS]

  that invitation is the word next though there have been previous Intel is [TS]

  opposed to Intel's previous forays into fashion when they took pentium three [TS]

  chips that failed testing on the assembly line and turn them into [TS]

  necklaces when they added YKK zippers to the bunny suit [TS]

  yes you know of course Apple to just hired the CEO buries so that's cool but [TS]

  you just gonna be on and on and on about it was when I read this department store [TS]

  called opening ceremony is doing something with some I don't remember [TS]

  some wearable tech stuff all its all this wearable tech stuff we got passion [TS]

  people gonna be ok but yeah i feel like i dont know I feel like different people [TS]

  obviously have different tastes and of course no doubt zeroed out my mind of [TS]

  course there are some people who think the new pub watches look just fine or [TS]

  even good course but I think in the mass market I feel very very confident [TS]

  betting that they are gonna go over like led balloons and number two they cost [TS]

  two hundred and fifty bucks which I know by the standards of like a Rolex or [TS]

  something like that is low but that's you know it's probably more than you [TS]

  know a lot more than the average person has ever spent much of her life it's [TS]

  decent chunk of change in the same amount of money you spend on an iPod or [TS]

  something like that and I feel like gets a pass from a lot of the tech either the [TS]

  tech crash or Tech fans who read the tech press because they're a little guy [TS]

  and there is an upstart but kick-start or success but two hundred and fifty [TS]

  bucks is two hundred and fifty bucks and if they're charging $250 for a consumer [TS]

  to buy this gadget it should be judged by the same standards as say Apple or [TS]

  Amazon Kindle Samsung or anybody it's the same two hundred and fifty bucks and [TS]

  you know if Apple came out with a watch that looked like double it it would and [TS]

  should cause their stocks to collapse caused like a 50% decrease in the price [TS]

  of the stock [TS]

  because it would have to make you think that if they came out with a watch it [TS]

  and it looked like the double steal I would say the company is doomed and [TS]

  every type I was wrong [TS]

  steve Jobs was the entire company [TS]

  Jony ive is a fraud right and I'm not saying that that means that pebble is [TS]

  doomed I just think it means that people still has a lot of work ahead of them to [TS]

  get there because you can you can excuse pebble as an upstart for having [TS]

  something but I still feel like it's up to the tech press in the critics to call [TS]

  it as I see it as it is right yeah it's a you know an early adopter [TS]

  nerd nerd toy and that these guys are basically you know a lab upstart cool [TS]

  that's awesome but it's being pitched as if it should be a some sort of [TS]

  mainstream things right and I don't think it's there and I don't see it I [TS]

  think the fitness trackers kind of sort of our if you're into that you know and [TS]

  and I was thinking about that this week it never really occurred to me before [TS]

  but everybody knows everybody follows the stuff knows that Tim Cook has worn a [TS]

  Nike FuelBand for a couple of years at least and is on the board of nineteen [TS]

  raid I can't remember any Apple executive publicly using technology from [TS]

  any other company ever and I know it now Apple unlike you have a kind of [TS]

  relationship and I know that you know like the integration with the iPod but I [TS]

  think it's a dangerous you put in your IQ + yeah whatever it's called but [TS]

  there's a good thing you can buy to put your sneaker and when they announced it [TS]

  I remembered thinking like so is is jobs gonna wear nike sneakers instead of his [TS]

  new balance and he did like the one event he had like a pair of Nikes on [TS]

  so it's not any way back [TS]

  yeah just for that event but I i and I always wonder about that like if you [TS]

  know and I think about some of the stupidest things because I feel like [TS]

  nobody else I'd love to get the story on that like did somebody have to go up to [TS]

  Steve Jobs and say hey Steve better if you were apparent nike's and like what [TS]

  was his reaction or what did Jobs himself say give me apparently keys to [TS]

  wear for this thing yeah did he did with them I don't remember exactly how it [TS]

  went but it was a member I don't know was a long time ago guess it was like 90 [TS]

  are 2005 2004 2005 but I can you know after that is jobs was on stage wearing [TS]

  Nike shoes and he certainly did you know obviously the Nike shoes Nike tractor [TS]

  and I can't remember anybody else wearing a sonata fitness hobbyist no I [TS]

  don't think so but it looks like he's a jock yes if not a jockey's like Tiger [TS]

  basically mound bayou and stuff like that definitely fitness efficient and [TS]

  like you said he's on a keyboard yes which has always been weird to me [TS]

  recently I guess he pulling an Eric Schmidt I don't know and it's it would [TS]

  seem the extraordinarily out of character for him to pull in Nike Eric [TS]

  Schmidt yeah which would be to unveil like a Nike Plus Nike FuelBand killer [TS]

  yes Apple gas gas water whatever right gasped and it's not just because he's on [TS]

  the board and you know and that he wears one but they they even specifically [TS]

  called out Nike when they announced the iPhone 5 ass with the m7 co-processor [TS]

  you know in that it's not just for the iPhone used but third party apps can tap [TS]

  into it and at night he was the one that called out you know an app has shipped [TS]

  and at night he has an app that can use the data from you know that they've [TS]

  they've Apple stance on that is sort of been that you know that is therefore [TS]

  everybody's not just then yes and I where they work together on something [TS]

  like that [TS]

  well i gonna make shoes shoes for something then we're a mean wearable [TS]

  stuff definitely me as technology has everything shrinks you know everything [TS]

  from cameras to two batteries to the CPUs mean wearable is obviously have no [TS]

  future directions for computers but what are they gonna do write what you know [TS]

  put it in Clayton Christensen's did you [TS]

  terms with what's the job to be done what are you hiring these wearable [TS]

  devices to do and it seems like the one thing that's been a success so far is [TS]

  stuff like the FuelBand and fit debt where you're hiring these devices to [TS]

  track what you've done all day and tell you how far you've gone and you know to [TS]

  help you track your goals for burning calories throughout the day but that's a [TS]

  niche and I feel like it's already being satisfied that you like anybody who just [TS]

  wants to know how far they walked in how many stairs they've climbed you can [TS]

  already buy a device at a reasonable price that works really well and [TS]

  integrates you know with your computer so you can store the data and stuff like [TS]

  that I don't have any building it into the iPhone right [TS]

  chips already built into the iPhone you know and [TS]

  I just don't see that as a market that's ripe for disruption right just doesn't [TS]

  seem like there's any kind of problem with those devices if all you want to do [TS]

  is track fitness their day seemed to work really well and be pretty elegant [TS]

  as opposed to the pre iPhone smartphone market which was a mass and the phone [TS]

  said terrible interfaces and confusing and you know everybody you know how to [TS]

  use their phones and it was just right for something like that fun to come in I [TS]

  just don't see that in the fitness tracking now time to say again Apple [TS]

  shirley is working on wearable stuff tiny little things but I don't think of [TS]

  fitness tracker is that yes could be something that does fitness tracking as [TS]

  part of a dozen other things but that's not at the device just as you know i pod [TS]

  is also a nap but whatever the music you know the way so yeah I don't know and [TS]

  you know what is the job hiring it for ya I don't know I feel like that is just [TS]

  it was not answered by anybody at CES I didn't see anything that makes me think [TS]

  wow that's that's kind of important step forward i guess i another thing I was [TS]

  did you see that the wearable thing that record audio around you [TS]

  for ninety minutes on Hulu percent ninety seconds yet sixty 60 second [TS]

  continuing forget the name of it s on the verge quarter yeah something it's [TS]

  interesting because I do feel like that's that's inevitably where some of [TS]

  this stuff is going right the ideas you got sixty seconds of recording at all [TS]

  times and it just drops off at 61 seconds ago just dropped off at the end [TS]

  of the buffer but then if something has happened within the last minute that you [TS]

  want to save you hit a button and it saves that audio so if you know [TS]

  you know it's the audio equivalent of capturing that photo that you're [TS]

  watching happen as you take your phone idea pocket and I remember I forget who [TS]

  linked to a bit late one of the questions on the website is is it legal [TS]

  which is half funny in the creepy Shenzhen have sort of you know we're [TS]

  gonna have to face this because just think like if you just go for it [TS]

  ten years is probably even too much but ten years from now the storage on our [TS]

  phone size devices is gonna be so much bigger and hopefully battery life will [TS]

  be so much better at doing something like recording a 60 minute buffer of [TS]

  audio you know would not strain the device at all and so why not like how do [TS]

  you know if somebody isn't recording it and you know and and project forward [TS]

  with something like Google glass that people wear on my glasses with a much [TS]

  smaller camera and heads up display so that it you don't see it [TS]

  per say you know what happens if you can't see the camerons somebody's [TS]

  glasses you have no way to distinguish between someone who's wearing non smart [TS]

  glasses and regular glasses and it has the storage that it can just or a 60 [TS]

  minute buffer at all times so that you don't have to record in advance you [TS]

  can't just decide hey this last five minutes has been sensational you know I [TS]

  just saw I don't know cab burst into flames on the street I've got footage of [TS]

  it I didn't remember to hit record but I can't just say right now they say the [TS]

  last five minutes [TS]

  yeah I just got into a really great argument with the drunk guy I wish I [TS]

  could post that to SoundCloud or something I'm not entirely comfortable [TS]

  about that I don't think it's a great idea but I I am it's happening right now [TS]

  you know exactly exactly that's my main point where it's going to be so we kind [TS]

  of have to come to grips with ya and figure out how you know what's going to [TS]

  be considered acceptable [TS]

  and for better and worse like all those Russian dash cam video of my life so you [TS]

  know this is absolutely an upside to this is not a separate device but it's [TS]

  it's an app on my Apple you know whatever it now I guess that's probably [TS]

  the best in a in in a weird way those Russian dash cams which apparently [TS]

  everybody gets you have to have your insurance even mandates it in russia [TS]

  because something like so much insurance fraud problems in russia and in car [TS]

  insurance that everybody has these always on dash cams they're always [TS]

  recording when your cars on and so yes you said your YouTube is just fall of [TS]

  all sorts of fantastic footage that never would have been captured before [TS]

  it's almost like thats the canary in the coalmine like the future of everything I [TS]

  get some point everything will be like Russian Tascam everything that happens [TS]

  will be if it if it was all wish we could put that on YouTube you'll have it [TS]

  to put on YouTube shifted you see that the plane crash today did you know some [TS]

  some guy had his GoPro camera on while he was in a plane crash in you know [TS]

  survived but there's a YouTube video [TS]

  yeah it was maybe you played but when I was looking at Twitter this morning it's [TS]

  whatever it was [TS]

  retweeting [TS]

  the act crazy you know that's the new normal is that that everything is [TS]

  recorded so even scary stuff will be able to see generally see a lot in that [TS]

  direction at CES I kind of was wondering if we were gonna see a bunch of Google [TS]

  class sort of you know heads up display type things and didn't see anybody had [TS]

  anything like that [TS]

  gonna sell one but it was just very you know even more primitive than Google [TS]

  glass was almost more like an oculus rift [TS]

  yeah like big and I saw somebody else had one it was meant for safety workers [TS]

  it was a safety glasses with a built-in heads up display and you know which i [TS]

  think is a fine idea somebody on Twitter you know I think something like safety [TS]

  glasses with a built-in heads up display well that's great because if you're [TS]

  already wearing safety glasses you're not concerned about you know fashion at [TS]

  all it's a practical you know you're in a practical situation so why not have a [TS]

  heads up display if you could help you you know in terms of you know doing the [TS]

  job that you're doing they have the safety glasses on in the first place [TS]

  right if you're like a chemist or something like that you can have you [TS]

  know by step instructions for the expression workers something building a [TS]

  building in your own it [TS]

  reference the plans right or consult about the supplies you know do I need [TS]

  the IKEA instructions right but it would be cool if you're a construction worker [TS]

  and you need more I don't know now that you bring it up on their heads up [TS]

  display you know use gestures or buttons on the side and and and then have them [TS]

  sent up to you or something like that without having to you know take a phone [TS]

  out of your pocket or something like that would be great [TS]

  by and see anything like that now and that's one of those things where you [TS]

  know maybe they're they're hiding in the corner but no one now posted I don't [TS]

  know someday I'll have to get out there and find the words let me take one last [TS]

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  way I made websites I wondered to honestly I know again sound like [TS]

  hyperbole i general genuinely wonder whether CSS ever would have made it as a [TS]

  mainstream technology without Eric Meyer because Eric Meyer he made it [TS]

  understandable you know it's a weird a weird way to specify styles and it was [TS]

  really weird compare was weird compared to what we did before CSS on the web and [TS]

  it was very weird compared to what designers were used to in the print [TS]

  world and Eric Meyer really help make that understandable where the two guys [TS]

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  websites if you you owe it to yourself to go so what a CSCS I guess the only [TS]

  other big thing I saw was that there's a lot of car companies who are there yeah [TS]

  I know I wonder if there i mean you know I guess they they want to be considered [TS]

  consumer electronics as well and it's really hard for him because I've never [TS]

  owned a car so I don't really know I got member when cars got CD players in our [TS]

  school and now I get in the cabin they have the name of the song that's playing [TS]

  and i'm just still another did that on the radio [TS]

  piano you know and Ford and Microsoft I guess have that kind of alliance [TS]

  yeah and and there was something that already in Android but it didn't seem [TS]

  like it was a lot more hyped before CES than when the show came in land in terms [TS]

  of anything that was actually announced yeah just seems so so forced I'm still [TS]

  waiting for to see how the announced back at WWDC but still you know it seems [TS]

  like the cards are gonna come out until later this year how this iOS in the car [TS]

  turns out which is more or less [TS]

  a way to let you use your iPhone presumably but I work with iPads too but [TS]

  you bring your iPad or iPhone to your cart plug it in and then the UI of your [TS]

  car is driven by iOS I don't know you know I have so many questions about that [TS]

  I feel like you know they did just kind of threw up a bunch of you know here's [TS]

  the car companies who have got on board so far and in theory it sounds great and [TS]

  one of the things that sounds great about it is that rather than build say [TS]

  build Android 4.3 into the dash of your car but then you keep your car for 10 [TS]

  years and ten years from now you're running an old version of Android if it [TS]

  was forward-thinking enough and it was just you plug your phone and then when [TS]

  you get a new phone and your to your car get smarter to ya you get new stuff and [TS]

  you keep going forward and a new OS and perhaps and all that stuff you know like [TS]

  in the same way that Steve Jobs on stage seven years ago the original iPhone [TS]

  introductions saying let's get rid of all these little plastic buttons on [TS]

  these phones because you can't change them over time and if you come up with a [TS]

  new idea in six months you can't add a new button joystick or whatever to do it [TS]

  let's make it all software I feel like that same sort of logic applies to let's [TS]

  let the brains of the car's computer be your phone because you're gonna upgrade [TS]

  your phone a lot more fruit most people at least are going to upgrade the phone [TS]

  a lot more frequently than their car unless you leave to get people who [TS]

  attended you know maybe upgrade on the phone like cycle but people who buy [TS]

  their card oh yeah and I saw actually really interesting chart on Twitter [TS]

  today which is like how people commute and I have something like seventy [TS]

  percent of people commute in a car by themselves so it actually is like a real [TS]

  abuse case and a real market there's no millions billions I guess about hours a [TS]

  year or so far commute so that's certainly a market for audio apps audio [TS]

  advertising [TS]

  I don't think games are or video really well I guess for the backseat well it's [TS]

  about attention right i mean the quote-unquote attention economy which is [TS]

  sort of us sounds like a buzzword but I think it's an important really is an [TS]

  important component of understanding the whole you know computer industry today I [TS]

  mean that computers / entertainment industry is that all sorts of things are [TS]

  constantly in flux except for the fact that we only have 24 hours a day right [TS]

  everybody only has so much attention and it's it's become them you know it's a [TS]

  limited resource and you know the supply is constant and the demand is ever [TS]

  growing or I guess the supply of potential I guess it's that I guess on [TS]

  the supply demand curve the demand is constant because we each only have so [TS]

  much attention to give but the supply of what we could give it to his infant and [TS]

  has been mostly you know dominated by terrestrial radio forever basically [TS]

  right and even you know what's the bigger change in recent years has been [TS]

  satellite radio which is just terrestrial radio better using a [TS]

  different distribution technology it's far closer to terrestrial radio in terms [TS]

  of experience and content than the internet or anything exciting [TS]

  interactive [TS]

  yeah I think it's interesting I bet this one of those things where just to get [TS]

  this technology in the car probably has at least a two year maybe three year [TS]

  lead time so that's probably part of the answer as to why it's one of those [TS]

  things that they cannot mention quickly and then hope you don't think too much [TS]

  about unless your gonna be developing for that sort of thing but once it's in [TS]

  there if it is modular if it's something that you know your phone is powering [TS]

  kinda like a real a real use case for the Palm folio maybe but there really is [TS]

  built into a car it actually makes sense but I you know I think like your said [TS]

  wait with that statistic we're seventy percent probably the Americans got it [TS]

  camp you i think i mean america's clearly skewed in that direction of you [TS]

  know solo commuters in a car but you know certainly it's no certainly not [TS]

  unique I mean there's you know people who drive to work all over the world but [TS]

  if you can get them to shift their keep me from being bored to death while I do [TS]

  this for an hour or two hours or in I'm know there's all sorts of statistics on [TS]

  the number of people who have like two hour plus commute day and shift that [TS]

  keep me from going insane from the radio whether it's stressful or satellite and [TS]

  switch that to iOS or Android you know any other platform boy that's a huge [TS]

  opportunity like to suddenly have two more hours [TS]

  somebody's attention today going into the you know app economy and economy [TS]

  yeah and you know I guess the early adopters are the new york city cabbies [TS]

  who have chat lines that they're on all day just kind of interesting you know [TS]

  that's not really a mainstream thing but [TS]

  that that's certainly one thing that could be more easily done with some sort [TS]

  of a platform in your car [TS]

  yeah I I have no doubt in my mind I mean I haven't done any I haven't conducted a [TS]

  survey maybe I should I don't know but there's no doubt in my mind that the [TS]

  whole rise in podcasting as a popular and you know something I can actually be [TS]

  a business is a large part driven by commuters definitely I mean I don't [TS]

  commute so I i listen too far fewer podcasts then most people who listen to [TS]

  the show but I think back to the years when I did and then this is the thing [TS]

  we're done the matter if you're in a car and I mean people on you know who walked [TS]

  a worker it take a subway to work or anything like that any kind of public [TS]

  transportation [TS]

  you know you can listen to podcasts and I was no doubt in my mind that it [TS]

  commuting is the attention fuel behind podcasting as a business [TS]

  yeah I think that I'll be definitely one of the the home screen apps on whatever [TS]

  that UI looks but I think it wouldn't it be great if forecasts or whatever it's [TS]

  going to be great to get your yes under cats Marcos podcast app overcast [TS]

  overcast yeah that would be great if your podcast that were on your phone [TS]

  whereas natively accessible in the car as turning on the radio right that's to [TS]

  me is what this iOS in the car hopefully is getting out where you don't it's not [TS]

  like you're sitting there fiddling with cable connectors and a phone interface [TS]

  that isn't really meant to be used while you're in the car you know when you want [TS]

  to turn on the radio you just punch about right and then the station you [TS]

  twisted dial [TS]

  will not be great if you can pick through your podcast that easily and [TS]

  that drives me nuts that Siri doesn't understand the concept of a podcast they [TS]

  have I say play the latest episode of the talk show even in the native pride [TS]

  cast at ya boy would be great if you get Siri you know in this opens up a whole [TS]

  show about you know Syrian third party apps but boy wouldn't it be great if you [TS]

  know every podcast app could just provide series with a look here's a [TS]

  structured data in the format you want here's the content I have to offer and [TS]

  so that the person can say way the newest episode of the talks so talk show [TS]

  in overcast and where I left off listening to headphones iCloud knows [TS]

  well I guess that would be up to each app but I think it their own way even [TS]

  when podcast were part of the iTunes App you know the music app ipod whatever is [TS]

  called it still couldn't couldn't handle it can do songs albums and all that kind [TS]

  of stuff but can't can't handle podcast right I hope that's the other thing to [TS]

  me is clearly the future of entertainment in your car if if not the [TS]

  present right from sure there's a lot of people it's already the present but the [TS]

  future of entertainment in your car it's not FM radio and I thinks that satellite [TS]

  radio temporary cluj [TS]

  howard stern it's casting its its cellular IP right and why pay for some [TS]

  kind of cellular IP built into the car when you've already got your phone with [TS]

  you every single time you step into the car and your car has plenty of energy to [TS]

  bear to keep your phone charged while you use it you know so hopefully that's [TS]

  the future but there didn't seem to be any kind of major progress on that front [TS]

  at CES I was curious whether anybody was going to come out with something [TS]

  compelling before Apple does and it doesn't seem like that happen but maybe [TS]

  maybe that's the wrong venue for another 90 yeah maybe you know you never know [TS]

  but you know but then why else would all these people be a show or something like [TS]

  that I don't know Detroit car show or something anything else good that's [TS]

  about it so next year we're going to Vegas we have two yeah let's do it got [TS]

  some guys sponsor it calls call Samsung [TS]

  somebody like Samsung should be the one to sponsor the nude will do a live show [TS]

  rats yes who have you know special guest alright I'll get on it and make it all [TS]

  right down from her thank you so much [TS]

  throughout way what he wanted to what you want to promote let's plug my [TS]

  podcast this week let's plug out because I promised my wife we doin this weekend [TS]

  so new episode it actually it's called the needle and the mouse and it covers [TS]

  some of the topics we're talking about today specifically the intersection of [TS]

  technology and fashion so we talk about stuff like wire TV so ugly and wearable [TS]

  and all that crap so the needle and the mouse dot com and the needle in the [TS]

  mouth so bad if you just googled a big kiss Google search for the needle in the [TS]

  mouse pad castle show that's fun we we try to do it every couple weeks and it's [TS]

  been great I think it's a ripe topic for four sho easily fill up next two to [TS]

  three years and the and the Mac people will appreciate our our logo is the old [TS]

  Mac mouse very very nice [TS]

  all right thank you dan thanks for having me alright see in Vegas [TS]