0:00:00you geared up to stark cute girls at ski lot can you imagine not having Galaxy
0:00:13Garrett CES it's like they don't even let you in hand them out at the airport
0:00:20I saw I took up the ass I know why I took a stupid polarized somebody like to
0:00:28add on Twitter on time
0:00:31time magazine site today it was like answer these questions and will predict
0:00:37your political leaning and they're not political questions are sensibly you
0:00:44know it's not like you know what you think about gun control or something
0:00:48like that and I came out
0:00:5172% conservative according to this and one of them was that conservative
0:00:57qualities was that I like dogs more than cats interesting but I don't think that
0:01:02that's I think that's nonsense I mean I'm not saying that I don't think
0:01:06there's any kind of I don't know maybe I'm wrong maybe if you polled thousand
0:01:11people maybe you know maybe conservatives do like dogs more than I
0:01:17don't know seems crazy to me it seems that the Internet has embraced cats more
0:01:24than dogs I don't know why but I don't like yeah just lost a lot of my audience
0:01:35there
0:01:36retailer baseball now we should talk about we can talk about the poppies yeah
0:01:42well for people who don't know there's there's a bourbon is a very complex
0:01:50story but there's a bourbon brand called Pappy Van Winkle and and I guess they
0:01:54were out for awhile you know like back in the seventies or eighties I don't
0:01:58know they brought it back and they had this old fashioned they've had a
0:02:02high-end brand and they have various vintages age there's tenure Pappy's
0:02:10twelve-year Pappy's thirteen-year old ride which I believe since its rise an
0:02:16entirely different mash really sort of it's the same brand but it's a different
0:02:19beverage there's a fifteen-year Pappy's twenty year and then there's a 23 and I
0:02:27think long story short you know it was sort of aficionados brand and you know
0:02:32the order is the more expensive was it was always a little hard to find a
0:02:36little expensive but then somehow at some point in the last two years or so
0:02:40it it like exploded and everybody got on you know kind of caught on to the event
0:02:48legal stuff is fantastic and now it's impossible to get what I had never heard
0:02:54of it until until there was a scandal about it being stolen or something I'd
0:03:02never heard of it and then like I don't know six months ago or something it was
0:03:06like a piece is a huge deal you need to care about it I had never heard of it
0:03:12there was there was an inside job at the at the end of it to the distillery or if
0:03:17it's just where they store it but it was an inside job and a whole bunch of cases
0:03:22of it was stolen
0:03:23about six months ago nobody died I believe that crime is still gone
0:03:26unsolved you know in pennsylvania has everybody was joking about that I don't
0:03:34know I don't think so
0:03:36pennsylvania's weird state where everybody including bars has to buy
0:03:40stuff through the state and I don't think it's very tricky for bars to
0:03:46obtain it but a local establishment we're very close to me here
0:03:50great barbecue place also help you know clearly a great bar Percy Street BBQ at
0:03:569th and South here in philadelphia got their hands on the full the full six
0:04:03flights for six varieties of of stuff of an illegal distillery and had a special
0:04:10event yesterday at five o'clock I had no idea how was gonna go but I figured it
0:04:15was going to fill up quick so I got there before five which was good because
0:04:19I think they said by like 515 route
0:04:22well what they did and it was pretty smart so they had all six I I can't help
0:04:28but think they had more of the lesser varieties but when you came in the door
0:04:33for the event there is a guy at the front door and you had to tell there is
0:04:37a limit of three ounces per patron of anything you can only a person can only
0:04:43get three houses and you had to pick it as you came in and they would give you a
0:04:47little chip so I i picked two ounces of 23 in one ounce at twenty so I got two
0:04:54chips 423 14 20 and then you know you could use that as you want it I wanted a
0:05:01single to outpour of 23 I could've turned into
0:05:05I went 111 I went 123 one of the 22 sorting see what the difference was an
0:05:13animal back to the 23 and they advertise it is not breaking the bank because I
0:05:19think they could have charged an arm and a leg for the stuff but they charged
0:05:21very very fair prices
0:05:24yeah that's part of the legend to that cost $200 for a glass of the you know
0:05:31the good stuff
0:05:32yea well and then now that it's gotten crazy like I mean quick look on ebay
0:05:35here people are selling one thing he searched from on eBay for for most of
0:05:45what you find are empty bottles people just selling bottles which I can't help
0:05:50but think I mean who wants an empty I mean maybe I can see why some people
0:05:56might want to keep a bottle that they drank if it was a special occasion keep
0:06:01it as a memento or something like that but why would you want to buy an empty
0:06:07bottle from somebody else unless you were looking to like going out with
0:06:12something else
0:06:14you know don't get it when I was in like high school and colleges to order a lot
0:06:21of beer branded nonsense off ebay you know Zippo lighter and inflatable
0:06:29fishing stuff just weird like Miller High Life crap which I thought was cool
0:06:33but yeah I don't know why he would order an empty bottle of I've heard I i cant
0:06:40even find some people have said that you know I'm not a legal it is and I guess
0:06:44in certain states it's legal to sell alcohol on ebay but you know but that on
0:06:49the second hand market the 23 year Pappy Van Winkle is going for like took $2,000
0:06:55$2,500 a bottle cuz it's just you can't get it you know the retail price the
0:07:00retail price for the 23 is is a couple hundred bucks and is it is it awesome
0:07:07I don't think any bourbon is worth a couple hundred bucks about that's you
0:07:12know I mean like I like to spend the money I do like to indulge and buy good
0:07:16stuff you know I like bourbon so I like to buy good bourbon but to me it isn't
0:07:26even what I could theoretically afford it I get a certain point it's just
0:07:29bourbon you know you can't drink that much of the time and I'm very very I
0:07:35feel pretty confident that I would fail you know to to do a Pepsi challenge
0:07:41between you know you know that I I don't know that I could taste the difference
0:07:47between like you can you can if you put six Bourbons in front of me and said one
0:07:54of these is 23 Pappy Van Winkle I'm not entirely sure all that I could figure
0:07:58that does it have a happy in general doesn't have a strong noticeable taster
0:08:05flavors and just urban the one thing that came out recently is that the one
0:08:11thing that they do differently than a lot of other burdens are almost all of
0:08:16the Bourbons is that they have a higher for now it's it's all in all wheat that
0:08:23they don't they put the minimum amount corn in and that there's another bourbon
0:08:30called JL weller which is made from the same match there is this thing I linked
0:08:37to on during fireball month or two ago which tried to explain the complicated
0:08:44relationship between various Bourbons in rise in Kentucky and Tennessee and Ohio
0:08:50and other places where the made in the USA where there's all these early just
0:08:55to rats right the AM or less where there's only a couple of what they call
0:08:58the day start with a mash mash sold to these distilleries to turn into bourbon
0:09:04but you know and presumably what happens is they'll take the same match that
0:09:10meant
0:09:10Pappy's the Pappy Van Winkle distillery will buy it and they'll put it put it
0:09:16into barrels for aging and then they'll sample these every couple years just to
0:09:23see how this battle going how's this going and that the better the barrel the
0:09:27more the longer you know they'll let it go and only the best of those barrels
0:09:31will go for the full 23 years and then the lesser ones will you know they'll
0:09:36say ok this one was his bottle this one in ten this ones you know it's not going
0:09:39to get any better than the bottle it but that there's this other brand jail
0:09:43weller which is it retails for like I think it's like 18 19 bucks a bottle but
0:09:49it's made from the same mash is Pappy and that it effectively in a poor man's
0:09:57pappy it's more or less like the same match but they the stuff that wasn't
0:10:00good enough to be turned in the keys and that it does taste a lot like poppies
0:10:04ginger ale and it just so they don't put any ride at all in there
0:10:14mash and so you know if you know just basic American whiskeys you know the
0:10:21difference between bourbon in rise that rise sort of pepper and hot is the basic
0:10:28difference him a basic bourbon and a basic right Pappy's to me and it's not
0:10:32just knowing that it doesn't have riots like sort of the taste of it is sort of
0:10:36what rise to bourbon happy is the opposite to regular bourbon it's less
0:10:42separate less hot and smoother and really is a lot more drinkable need
0:10:48anyway the tasting was pretty cool yeah but you know it and I did I Instagram
0:10:56today because I gotta go there but it was like a one time only 15 minutes to
0:11:01communicate these tokens and it came out of it that's a bride Tokyo and I brought
0:11:07back from some whiskey but haven't really had a chance to crack into it yet
0:11:14the other thing I thought was definitely true side-by-side going from the 23 to
0:11:18the 2010 back to the 23
0:11:20absolutely tasted the difference the 23 which I I think I only had once before
0:11:29in my life and it was on a trip to Vancouver three or four years ago with a
0:11:35bunch of friends for somebody's birthday and it was before the whole Pappy's
0:11:40thing exploded and me my pal gym ray saw it on the list of available disk and how
0:11:52can this possibly be and was like a totally reasonable price per poor I
0:11:55don't like $20 a poor and we we asked to really get shorts 23 shows the bottle
0:12:02and you know I'd like to have him $20 report which was unbelievable
0:12:10but anyway that I think the difference for anybody who cares is that the 23 is
0:12:17little bit a little bit not here a little bit spicier I don't know it
0:12:22definitely it's almost a little bit less like what I've associate with regular
0:12:25Pappy's whereas the 20 is that smooth there wow that's definitely the Platonic
0:12:34ideal of pappy which one is like the you know I would say the most common but the
0:12:41one that's kind of associated the most with being the good ones that the 24 the
0:12:4523 I guess I don't know I guess the 20 and the 23 or both fairly rare I've I
0:12:51almost never seen it used to be not that hard to find it like that shit hole bar
0:12:57in San Francisco the tempus no not that one little messed up I don't know what's
0:13:14going on across the street from the Palace Hotel forget the name but anyway
0:13:21they used to just habit sixteen seventeen dollars poorer than they ran
0:13:26out
0:13:26Parc 55 Hotel Bar used to have the twelve-year just sitting there
0:13:31get it and you know wasn't examine only priced back in the old days ten to
0:13:36twelve years the one that I used to see the most often but not quite the
0:13:40youngest but not aged all that much to keep an eye out for it to see who are
0:13:52members of the executive agency the Wynn Hotel and Casino used to have copies on
0:14:00the list again very you know it's you know it's the Vegas strip and
0:14:05everything's little bit expensive in the Wynn and Encore is the best place on
0:14:09this trip so you know even more expensive but like totally reasonable it
0:14:14was like a typical poor of a good bourbon when Iran Khorasan twelve
0:14:20thirteen fourteen dollars in a staff Pappy's for like 16 crazy of course not
0:14:25anymore not even listed which brings us to get the big roller
0:14:32yeah I'll bad it can get up to like this right the sky casino there's a button
0:14:38and go in there you know I was there for opening weekend and I haven't been there
0:14:44since I haven't been to Vegas in almost 10 years of embarrassing that's a long
0:14:49time
0:14:50yeah you going to go in the elevator and there's a button that says KY casinos
0:14:57like the top floor of course you can present you have to have a special card
0:15:01to get in so I asked somebody at the hotel ones I went down the sky casino
0:15:05and they're like like like people with $100,000
0:15:11it's like they don't usually like high limit live most casinos have like
0:15:19highland area where a lot of background
0:15:22and blackjack tables that start at $100 maybe even higher on the weekend it's
0:15:29like for the people who like that high limit lounges yeah did you read that
0:15:35book 10 years old now by a Wall Street Journal writer who got I think of
0:15:40$40,000 advance and the book was that he was gambling has advanced away in Vegas
0:15:46now I don't think so yes it was good i mean especially for you know that had
0:15:52just turned 21 so is very exciting this is this the the gambling we can't afford
0:15:57to do was he like like had a gambling problem or that was the premise like he
0:16:04was a premise of the book right he's gonna take his advanced gambling and
0:16:09then write about what happen and like the kind of treatment of guns yeah and
0:16:15you know all the money he won and lost and won and in you know
0:16:19interspersed with stories about his famous Vegas people and he was a wall
0:16:24street journal reporter I think that was what the cover said you know I could
0:16:29just be a freelancer something but yeah something like that
0:16:32gotta find it up forty ok yes I'm like that I find it I'll send it to you
0:16:40alright that'd be great yes it was fun and a great way to do it and you you
0:16:45know you might go further than you think with that I forgot how long that he
0:16:51liked stayed there until I think he got sick of it and then he still had some
0:16:55money or something and then he came back again and lost all but maybe I don't
0:16:59remember I don't wanna I wanna spoke too much of it but something like that it's
0:17:05crazy which brings us to see yes yeah and what has now become an annual
0:17:10tradition which is after see us I have you on the show we talk about CES even
0:17:17though neither of us has ever have ever been I think last year I actually
0:17:23listened to it yesterday and I think we pledge to go this year
0:17:28dunno but the funny part is the funny part is I asked you to be on the show
0:17:31this week so I thought you know I know you weren't there and you know I for
0:17:38every reason that I asked you last year the same reason I thought you'd be a
0:17:41good guide to talk about it you know CBS from the far this year and then after
0:17:46IDM do and say hey can you have time to do the show this week as soon as I hit
0:17:50Send I was like hey wait a minute deja-vu
0:17:52did this last year and I quickly I was like oh yeah and then I remembered that
0:17:56what we agreed to go and actually this year even more than last year I'm kind
0:18:02of mad that I didn't go cuz everyone you know and I don't want to repeat
0:18:06everything I said last time we can just linked to that show everyone I know who
0:18:11was there for the right reasons seem to have a lot of fun yeah I totally agree I
0:18:16can we could just maybe we could displace and all the audio from last
0:18:21year but now I had that same feeling we're like at the beginning at the start
0:18:28of the seems like if you go to cover the show in any sense whether you're there
0:18:32to actually do like hundred posts a week like the very jarring gadget or even if
0:18:40your gonna take a saner or filtered approach you know and and do a lot of
0:18:45the filtering before you've presented to your reader like I don't like pubs new
0:18:50site or something like that or like my favorite the wire cutter who did one
0:18:54post for all of CES which is just a love it it's so awesome they took like the
0:18:58most insane thing with 5,000 vendors it one post which is so great but even so
0:19:04it seems like you go there you try to get there by sunday even though the show
0:19:08doesn't officially start till Tuesday it seems like Sunday night the pre-show
0:19:12stuff starts Monday there's a lot of announcements and then like Tuesday
0:19:17Wednesday Thursday like the main show days
0:19:19and I think the main like you're already you're already sweaty so when you start
0:19:25drinking and gambling and whatever but it's in preparation I watched a bunch of
0:19:35the verge videos and looked at some of those you know that every year there's
0:19:39the article of the 10 most ridiculous things that we saw at CES in that kind
0:19:45of stuff and the kind of comparison their release from to mind is is another
0:19:51thing that of course never been to Burning Man it's just like the same just
0:19:57a sea like endless CEO of ridiculous nonsense and and a lot of garbage and
0:20:03people smell bad but if you're there for the right reasons it can be really fun
0:20:08yeah I think the difference between Burning Man in CES from me in some way
0:20:15like miss a daytime hours both of them there's a sort of I'd like to see it at
0:20:19least once but then in Burning Man tonight you have to sleep in a dirty
0:20:23tent where you at CES you can see hotel totally which had a real big deal for me
0:20:31sleeping in a tent I'm kind of hoping I go from here till a long happy life and
0:20:38eventual death with never having slept in a tent again so i dont no me hagas to
0:20:47me as a burning Man with ya just you know any of those pictures there there
0:20:57there can be thousands of people in the field of view it seems just unbelievable
0:21:01and you know of course a lot of them are there to do actual work like there have
0:21:08been some pretty good serious stories about people who are therefore actual
0:21:14job functions and one of the things that seem ridiculous to me at first about
0:21:19this year was like a Marissa Mayer's giving the keynote one but then I but
0:21:24then I read an article about how you know as digital media has become so much
0:21:30a part of the consumer electronics industry huge ad deals are happening out
0:21:35there and so you know you see some very strange binds of who's that guy David
0:21:43Blaine doing magic tricks in front of Dick Costolo from Twitter just to see
0:21:49that has easy and yeah I'm sure Marissa Mayer and David Pogue you know went from
0:21:54the keynote straight into a meeting with Samsung or something it's at a register
0:22:00billion dollar check so they're people are doing work out there too but also
0:22:08just insanity to it does seem like a lot of the consensus reporting i've seen
0:22:16from CES this year is that the craziness was dialed down and not in terms of the
0:22:23size and scope of things but just like the this stupid crazy I don't even
0:22:32understand what's going on here sort of yeah no racist right acrobatic
0:22:40and I saw a couple people mention that booth babes seemed to be on the decline
0:22:45may be all they play listen to our show from last year and got some sense about
0:22:51the one of things I was thinking about it would be funny if this was the year
0:22:56that Apple actually had a giant booth and just didn't tell anyone like we did
0:23:03they kept the Beyonce album a secret let's let's have a huge CES booth this
0:23:08year to ensure every year as someone would report some rumor like oh no Apple
0:23:15AAPL to give CES keynote
0:23:18you know well and it was rampant after they pulled out of Macworld great I mean
0:23:25it wasn't even just for the next year although that was one year was at a
0:23:28fever pitch but even the next year there was a lot of rumor reporting that Apple
0:23:33is going to do it
0:23:34keynote in big exhibited yes and it's like now you know there's no way they're
0:23:41gonna die from Nvidia's test test outbid them so I did think one of the big
0:23:47stories and I don't know maybe the sample sizes too small to really draw a
0:23:56conclusion that Apple of course wasn't there
0:24:00officially which is not to say that one apple employees there there were you
0:24:04know they're always hard to talk to you know component makers and stuff like
0:24:10that and someone mentioned in an article
0:24:13Apple retail buyers looking at that stuff to sell the stores yeah exactly
0:24:19and I'm sure that there are engineers there to just you know just see because
0:24:24it's the one thing that the something like CES does it get the entire industry
0:24:28altogether and you can see stuff in person and as you know there's there's
0:24:34reasons to to be in person you know that the behind the scenes stuff is important
0:24:39chauffeur maybe more important but also Microsoft was not there even though they
0:24:45you know for years that was CES was sort of their Macworld Expo it was you know
0:24:50they were the keynote address the kickoff keynote for ten fifteen years in
0:24:54a row dating all the way back to the bill gates era and then all the way
0:24:58through most of this bombing but they are not only have dropped out of the
0:25:02keynote they had no show Joe for presence at all nor did Google and just
0:25:10a throw-in one more north north at Amazon now amazon has either but they do
0:25:15make consumer electronics the Kindle line is I think it's impossible to
0:25:21dismiss I mean that's the market share stuff I've seen after Christmas for
0:25:26tablet use usage clearly puts the candles in second a very strong second
0:25:31place in Aus but they were not there either
0:25:37and their thing that struck me about all for those companies is that they're us'
0:25:40companies and I think that you know unless I'm overlooking somebody tell me
0:25:44if I am there are the four big us' consumer electronics companies like
0:25:51Google Microsoft and Amazon and none of them were at CES it seems like it's
0:25:59almost you know like the big exhibits are all from the agent companies right
0:26:07Sony and Samsung LG right that's interesting and I don't know if there is
0:26:15a wonder what I wonder why that is
0:26:17yeah and I don't know if it's like I said there's only four of them and
0:26:21they're all uniquely their own company right i mean Apple's not there just
0:26:28because Apple's an American company just Apple and they want to be left alone
0:26:32until they're you know have their things to announce
0:26:35Amazon's kind of like that to ya even more secretive than Apple in many ways
0:26:41yeah definitely Google though I think it's a little you know it seems like
0:26:46something they might do you know how big hall and and you know either just to
0:26:52promote their like Nexus line of stuff or you know or even have like a kumbaya
0:26:58you know look at all you know how about every major Android phone on display at
0:27:02one's just you know which they did for at least both years that I was at Mobile
0:27:09World Congress in Barcelona they had a the biggest most popular booth with you
0:27:14know smooth the people making smoothies and gigantic Android phones and they
0:27:20brought out a bunch of Android developers and gave them little booths
0:27:23in that kind of stuff and maybe they'll do that again at Mobile World Congress
0:27:28this year right that's I don't know if they did it last year I wasn't there
0:27:32last year but you know in theory I think of all those companies to that would be
0:27:38least surprising if they did have a big CES presence would be Microsoft and who
0:27:42will specially Microsoft the new Xbox just came out right tony was gonna be
0:27:48there trying Nokia right right maybe and maybe the just the fact that they are in
0:27:54the process of tryna by Nokia and the whole CEO turnover thing kept them out
0:27:59but that seems weird and I also think that they really want Windows 8 on
0:28:08tablets to gain traction I think they will do how could I think I think I
0:28:16don't know is it more important than the phone I don't know but both are clearly
0:28:21important I mean I think everybody agrees that the group cause of
0:28:26Microsoft's
0:28:27decline in recent years is that they have no traction in either the phone or
0:28:33tablet markets and you know i i almost hesitate to say that once more important
0:28:38than the other cuz I think that they sort of go hand in hand and even if
0:28:45office and not window is the path forward or even the cloud services or
0:28:51whatever that still needs that you know that that's more important for the
0:28:56tablets offices not gonna do awesome on Android or something you know what I'm
0:29:02gonna take it back I'm gonna say tablets are more important the Microsoft than
0:29:05phones because for two reasons for one there's the phones are already a two
0:29:13horse race with iOS and Android or iOS has a stronger position at the top end
0:29:19of the market and Android has a stronger position as the majority market share
0:29:26leader right and has the OEM market sewn up
0:29:32whereas tablets I feel like alright iPad is clearly in first place way stronger
0:29:37first place then then you know you could argue anybody has in anything other than
0:29:43windows in PC market share and second places up for grabs
0:29:49right and I think inevitably there there should be some kind of strong second
0:29:54place right like you know even if it's really just ends up being the Mac what
0:30:01the Mac was two windows at the height of the PC era somebody's gonna have an
0:30:06alternative to the iPad and you know you know at least I feel like Microsoft has
0:30:11a better chance of making Windows and Windows tablets be that than they do
0:30:16putting a serious dent into either iOS or Android on phones so I don't know and
0:30:21i also think it's a little bit more what the you know shoring up what they're
0:30:25already good at like I feel like tablet sales are coming at the expense mainly
0:30:29of Windows laptops else yes so that adds extra urgency and Microsoft count
0:30:38started the whole tablets at CES thing I mean if you remember was it two weeks or
0:30:43something before Apple you know unveiled the iPhone iPad bomber had that weird HP
0:30:52Slate thing right right yeah the bomber keynote @ CES that was like a look
0:31:01forward to i you know and I'll say it I regret that I never went during that era
0:31:06to see how it's like the Bulls with Jordan now it's too late to take a break
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0:35:08talks is so great I'm drinking it literally right now
0:35:12yeah I think Microsoft should it be
0:35:17yeah I think for tablets honestly I think for phones cause honestly I mean
0:35:22Nokia it to me they're making to me the second I don't know about this offer but
0:35:29they're making to me the second most interesting phone hardware today but
0:35:36they're still flailing they're not really gaining traction I don't know
0:35:40that their sinking but they're not going to you know and if it's worth microsoft
0:35:44money to buy Nokia or at least the handset division I don't know it just
0:35:48seems to me like they oughta start on it keep pumping them into the consciousness
0:35:53you know keep the pre keep invisible I don't know trade shows are obviously
0:35:59very expensive especially I can't even imagine what it costs to have one of
0:36:04those flagship exhibits at like a CES for big show like that that's sure to
0:36:10millions of dollars yeah it's gotta be you know maybe ten million or something
0:36:14on her right but you're talking about a company that spending billions with Abby
0:36:19to buy a Nokia right and you know just in general and marketing and all that
0:36:24stuff and the cost of losing the windows you know everything they have is
0:36:31everything its hundreds of billions of dollars right so close range I just
0:36:38can't help but think maybe the the CEO turnover is why they didn't do it just
0:36:43to keep you know keep the distractions away but I don't know maybe a sign of
0:36:50paralysis especially with that the new Xbox out and trying to build in
0:36:54developer ecosystem around that and and you know be part of the all the fork
0:37:00ATVs are out you know how cool would it have been to be to be able to play a
0:37:04couple Xbox games and one of those things
0:37:06there was one article also on the verge about how there's basically no for k
0:37:13content to show up except Netflix had some said they were you know being
0:37:16demoed on all the new TVs which is smart damn Netflix with a big presence without
0:37:23having the big are maybe even any exhibits base themselves Reed Hastings
0:37:30was just he was at every single event for anybody related to TV and it seems
0:37:38like I would have to say if not the single biggest one of the big you know
0:37:44count them on one hand themes of this year's CES was Fourcade TV set
0:37:50definitely like you said the big question is will what are you well I've
0:37:54actually there's two big questions for 48 TV sets 10 first one is where you
0:37:59gonna get for k content because there's no point to it without Forte content and
0:38:05so far the answer like you said his Netflix but even there they can't just
0:38:10magically make stuff that wasn't shot for KB for K but I know that they're
0:38:16going to you know the one thing they can control our their own shows and they
0:38:20have in a house of cards which they're going to have available in porque ya
0:38:25we're just the new season which starts next month
0:38:29yeah couple weeks from now yeah I mean that's that's one of the beauties of
0:38:35vertical integration have control over that sort of stuff for kids interesting
0:38:42to me I'm kind of impressed by how inexpensive some of the supposedly
0:38:48prices are going to be for those things I'm very frightened as to how much worse
0:38:53the wire is gonna look it already does now I think I have to rewatch it once
0:39:00more before I upgrade TV's or something like that
0:39:03I guess it depends what it was shot on maybe the wires soldi I would go where
0:39:09it was shot in a look it up this morning it was shot in SDE for by three years
0:39:14there will never be an HDD remastering but didn't they should on film
0:39:22couldn't they this I don't know the whatever article I read that there's no
0:39:28chance to get that to go back in and turn it back into I don't think so D
0:39:34you know a lot of the shows during that period like the first few seasons were
0:39:39for by three and then you know something like entourage or something like that
0:39:44and I think even the Sopranos like the last several seasons for NHD yeah and
0:39:49there you know there was a shift and a half way through the wire all everything
0:39:54was always St 4343 major disappointment
0:40:01yeah it was sort of right at the tail end of that you know where is if you go
0:40:04back a little further and you know like one of my favorite shows in the nineties
0:40:09was NYPD blue oh yeah great show especially the first few seasons but it
0:40:17doesn't break your heart that it that it's 423 standard definition because it
0:40:22was the nineties what do you expect where's the wire it just feels like was
0:40:26just a few years ago too early
0:40:31here's the thing I think the bigger problem facing Fourcade is how many
0:40:36people sit have a couch far enough away from their TV and have room for a big
0:40:42enough TV or 40 actually looks better right and you get into these arguments
0:40:46you know the apples definitions of a Retina display of
0:40:50you know its distance from the screen and some math about the pixel size but
0:40:58there is a certain point where you can't discern it right and when you went from
0:41:02an old 43 standard def glass picture tube TV to a flat screen plasma or LCD
0:41:11high-def screen
0:41:13you know you unless you had some kind of vision impairment didn't have your
0:41:17glasses on everybody had the same reaction which is wow this looks way
0:41:23better I don't know that when I first got a HDMI enough talked about on this
0:41:28show but I even would watch skiing because it looks so good like this is
0:41:32crazy stuff like golf and tennis with these little tiny balls in the air
0:41:40hockey was a big one hockey I think God hockey was unwatchable standard def I
0:41:45never understood how people could watch hockey you couldn't tracks glowing
0:41:50brightly was awful I don't know that for K for most people is going to look
0:41:58better and I don't you know i think thats the problem the TV industry TV
0:42:02said industry has is everybody spent a lot of money to upgrade and go to high
0:42:07death flat panel displays an awful lot of money was spent in what the last
0:42:14fifteen years ten fifteen years I got mine nine years ago when I think we
0:42:20bought ours
0:42:21around the same time I don't know that I think I got mine early 2006 you know and
0:42:28I was right as they were getting cheaper lot of people spent a lot of money and I
0:42:33still love my 2006 TV I mean really think it looks great
0:42:39yes yeah I think it's gonna be one of those things where you know it will just
0:42:44gradually replace the HDD components and if you are buying a mid-range and
0:42:51high-end TV it will be for k if you're not it'll pry be 1080p
0:42:56the way today we still bias 1080 I 720p TV if you wanna spend 300 bucks in
0:43:03appearance been seven eight hundred bucks to get 1080p I just don't know
0:43:08that it's going to really help the industry you know spur sales I am glad I
0:43:14feel like the gun I don't think of the good news to me as someone who really
0:43:18despises 3d is that the whole 3d thing which is like what the last two years
0:43:23they've they were putting a 3d TV sets and I just man if I could've just faded
0:43:30jeans you know to give me a wish and hope that it technology fails it would
0:43:35be 3d TVs cause I can't even imagine a world where you know movies are all 3d
0:43:41whether you need glasses or not I 3d really gets to me every time I see it I
0:43:46should get a happy though that the good guys won on that one yeah I am glad it's
0:43:50a technology lose over the course of a few years and and feel good about that
0:43:56yeah I feel like common sense prevailed yeah like no we don't want and we
0:44:00certainly don't want to work for goggles and dressed up like that and I don't you
0:44:05know I think it was not because 3d was a good idea it was because the TV
0:44:08manufacturers wanted to sell new TVs to people who already bought flat-panel TVs
0:44:12and so i didnt work we're trying to upsell you know the the 3d TVs as being
0:44:18significantly more expensive product then right as opposed to four ka which I
0:44:25can in theory get behind because more pixels to me is always better and so
0:44:29it's definitely you know I'm not it again I'm not a hundred percent sold its
0:44:33gonna take off because I don't know that people are gonna be able to discern the
0:44:36difference unless they can
0:44:37get a big enough you know sixty seventy and screen yeah I don't know about your
0:44:42household but I still come home sometimes in and see that the St version
0:44:47of channels being watched and that no one could tell the difference I tweeted
0:44:54about it over the Christmas break but my wife had like a day where she will like
0:44:58Jonas was playing Minecraft and I was working in the office and she just had
0:45:03like a relaxing day watching movies and was like three or four of her favorite
0:45:09movies that nobody else likes came on like houseguest I hate she loves
0:45:14houseguest anytime
0:45:15house comes on she watches it's a terrible movie god bless her heart man I
0:45:20wish we still have you know that but you know I'd come down to get coffee and
0:45:28stuff and every every thing she was watching all day long with standard
0:45:31drove me nuts maybe something like that is this better I would pay more money in
0:45:39this is stupid because it doesn't make any sense I would pay more money to
0:45:42Comcast to just take all the standard channels all of our lineup just get him
0:45:48off so that there's nothing we can't watch standard I think if you dig deep
0:45:53enough in the settings on your cable box you can override this tea somehow I
0:45:59don't know I'm not sure I haven't tried that yet another thing I'm wondering
0:46:05about his is the bandwidth though I mean if if fork a video is you know two to
0:46:11four times more and with a stream
0:46:18properly is it is going to watch Berlin be at what point does time warner cable
0:46:23or compuserve however say okay well you hit your 200 gigs limit now now you're
0:46:29done right charging you for it right because they're not really all that much
0:46:35in favor of you watching TV over IP exactly by which I mean not in favour at
0:46:40all
0:46:41yeah that's a good question and a fix that no definitely not now with I saw a
0:46:51couple reports this week that with compression and I don't know if they're
0:46:56using 8265 or or what what the kodak is but that they think like it a lot of the
0:47:04net flix stuff because Netflix actually is putting the rubber to the road and
0:47:08doing it that it's about fifteen 15 megabits a second something like that is
0:47:15what it requires not only I can I run speed test one of my stops working well
0:47:20I only get about 20 21 22 down so and i still cant load YouTube videos half the
0:47:28time you have 15 under that but it's so much so close to it though that it it
0:47:33almost requires optimal optimal good weather just a perfect you know hope
0:47:40that my neighbors aren't doing it to ya which is why Netflix actually is at
0:47:47least publicly that one of the the fiercest companies in terms of publicly
0:47:51praising and and and rating and ranking ISPs in terms of their quality
0:47:58kind of interesting and lobbying you know things like
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0:50:37went retirement as for k bandwidth bandwidth yeah and so Apple's you know
0:50:46obviously said not at the show much much rumored to be you know possibly working
0:50:52on some kind of new TV thing whether it is a full tv sadder you know big step
0:50:58forward and Apple TV I wonder how for k what their stance on that is you know I
0:51:06know there's a lot of people who think well that's what I you know people who
0:51:09do know that the gene monsters of the world who thinks you know right that's
0:51:13what Apple's been waiting for
0:51:15right been waiting for for K know about that you know about that at all
0:51:20yeah I would I would say no I mean I guess you know personally I have kind of
0:51:28been waiting to upgrade my TV in case Apple were to have come out with one by
0:51:33now you know when it breaks I'm gonna replace it with whatever South there but
0:51:39I could see a lot of people buying an Apple TV because it came out and
0:51:46therefore you know if it were for k that's how they would get that's how
0:51:49they would justify getting a fork a baby but I think that that's not what's been
0:51:54holding them back now and then I also wonder you know because Apple controls a
0:51:58lot of the content that comes out of TV because they have
0:52:01have you know they they sell and rent movies and TV shows but I honestly
0:52:05wonder how how much control they have over getting that stuff in for k format
0:52:13I don't think it's any it's not like they've got the original negatives for
0:52:18the film's incomes can emit fork a resolution you know it's up to the
0:52:22studios to provide you know you know I don't know that that just because you
0:52:29know so much of Apple TV content comes from iTunes I don't know that that gives
0:52:34Apple much control over getting the iTunes library in the forecast I don't
0:52:40know that maybe I'm wrong and how did it work with the hd2 didn't start with two
0:52:44separate movies or TV shows and remember don't know that you know it was but it
0:52:50wasn't all at once they couldn't
0:52:52yeah well obviously they don't they don't make the content so they can just
0:53:00go out on their own and do it and it seems like another opportunity for the
0:53:05studios to try to get something out of Apple you know before they hand over is
0:53:10it even higher res tough especially with that whole ultraviolet they may have on
0:53:17their own so yeah and Apple you know big picture is often they'll often make
0:53:24great leaps forward with things like being like the retina display on the
0:53:30iPhone 4 2010 was a huge leap forward in resolution over every other phone on the
0:53:36market
0:53:38literally double the resolution in only one dimension as the previous generation
0:53:43of iPhones and you know three hundred and some dpi hundred-and-some dpi but
0:53:51then ever since they've let it go and now it went from you know and now
0:53:55there's other competing phones you know from the Android side that had four
0:53:59hundred and some pixels per inch and I feel like with you know with Apple it's
0:54:04like they'll make a big leap forward if they think there's a practical reason
0:54:09for right and the original iPhone going retina was so clearly oh man this looks
0:54:15so much better
0:54:16special you know everything look better whereas I feel like going from three
0:54:19hundred and some to 400 some dpi on a phone is you're just wasting battery you
0:54:26know that it's not working with a horrible Android you are right
0:54:31yeah you know see those wonderful Roboto 50 rendered in all their glory and I
0:54:39almost think that from an apple perspective that 1080p is that sweet
0:54:45spot looks really good and most typical household viewing scenarios you know in
0:54:57terms of screen size versus distance from screen
0:55:03well this was actually I still think it from this precedent for this to actually
0:55:08wrote a story about this for forbes 2006 or 2007 when iTunes first started
0:55:17selling movies and Amazon first though it's only movies that they were both
0:55:22around the same time and what Amazon did is sold you a major download I wanna say
0:55:32two copies of the movie one of them was a really big file and look good on your
0:55:41computer and the other was a really small file maybe there was a pilot I
0:55:45think Apple did that I seem to remember that maybe Amazon had remember anyway
0:55:52alright I'll define the article I think it was able to do that too so anyway but
0:56:06it didn't make sense to have a big you know 720p or 1080p file to show on your
0:56:12standard death screen made no sense I here's article Apple basically Apple's
0:56:19total files size was smaller than Amazon's and the question I you know I
0:56:24was writing about was whether yeah Amazon had two files a large version for
0:56:31computer and TV and a smaller one for a year like Rio mp3 player something like
0:56:36that
0:56:37for watching movies on your Galaxy gear yes exactly
0:56:44yeah amazonas during 720 pixel within an Apple said DVD quality
0:56:51640 pixels anyway the big picture is Apple saying we're okay not having the
0:56:59highest resolution possible because there are better tradeoffs like download
0:57:04speed that that make this better so I could see the same thing happening here
0:57:09where they don't go with the most pixels possible on a TV but instead one that
0:57:16will you know kind of hit the sweet spot in terms of bandwidth and content
0:57:22library and all that sort of stuff I mean how lame would it be if Apple
0:57:27shipped for KTV and literally nothing was was available in 4 case they
0:57:32wouldn't even do that everything you have looks like shit on our new TV
0:57:36well it would look like 1080p I don't think 1080p is gonna look worse on for
0:57:40KTV said you know it's you think so now I don't think so I could be wrong but I
0:57:44don't think so yeah well the way that nine retina apps look terrible on a
0:57:49Retina screen but may have differences imperceptible from six feet away right
0:57:56because if it's because I think it's more like with like the retina MacBook
0:58:02Pros where you have those skilled sizes to simulate higher resolutions and they
0:58:07still look fine yeah cause you're still only you're talking about pixels that
0:58:12are so small even at the simulated size right the simulated pixel is bigger than
0:58:18the native pixel of the display but that simulated size is still so small that
0:58:23your it looks good your eyes
0:58:25whereas when you upscale a non retina iPhone app on retina
0:58:34those non-threatening virtual pixels are are big and you didn't see them so I
0:58:39nearly certain and I'm sure I hear otherwise from you but I would bet that
0:58:441080p content looks like 1080p content on it this way yet and things like no
0:58:51worse than it would on an equivalent size 1080p yep unless you get real close
0:58:57which is you know which is not what happens for a TV or monitor that's a
0:59:03different story but but what's the point of of power on all those pixels in
0:59:08paying for all those pixels to watch 1080p when you could have just spent
0:59:11less money on a 1080p native exactly that now there are things like you know
0:59:18if if they have a gaming app store you know with vector based gaming artwork
0:59:23that does look appreciably different na na na for KTV I don't know I guess what
0:59:30to go good to see ya I just don't think to say I don't think four cases that
0:59:35factor no I don't think so you know my my my thinking on this and you know just
0:59:40from not having any real information but just kind of reading stuff over the
0:59:44years is that Apple really wanted to have some sort of subscription service
0:59:50that was just dramatically better and more interesting than a cable TV package
0:59:57and couldn't get the rights for that and therefore kind of dropped the ball on a
1:00:02lot of other stuff I don't know if that's true or not but that's that's the
1:00:07perception I have yeah I wanted to how much of it is still fueled by what may
1:00:16well just be a throwaway line in the Steve Jobs biography by Walter Isaacson
1:00:25that that
1:00:28somethin somethin bout TV in the job said I've cracked it and that's it yeah
1:00:33you know who who even knows what that means I still am still have convinced at
1:00:42least if not 51 percent convinced that the Apple TV we have today is the that's
1:00:48apples TV plans and that you know they'll just come out you know it's
1:00:52getting to the point where it's overdue for a new version but that it's just
1:00:56gonna be another $99 box with maybe higher resolution than a better remote
1:01:00I've said this so many times I still think it's the most likely scenario for
1:01:04how they go forward that they just keep selling $99 set-top boxes and I'm sure
1:01:10you know as a company that makes things with screens like I'm sure they've
1:01:14tested out computers in every screen size imaginable they already make 30
1:01:22inch display where they did so I'm sure they've tried out TV set or something
1:01:28like that but making that in your product as a whole different story I do
1:01:35I do I love my apples I find myself using it much more than even I did a
1:01:42year ago so I really hope they do more and you know it's one of those things
1:01:47where they they had maybe one channel every few weeks you don't notice it but
1:01:52if you remember even a year ago they were like you know even fill up the
1:01:56first screen and now there's a lot of stuff on there
1:01:59yeah I'm not watching but I think they had a pretty good year of adding content
1:02:04Apple TV I really do ya think it suggests that maybe they're starting to
1:02:09why I had read i think is HBO you know even admitted publicly that they made
1:02:16their app themselves so it sounds like Apple has some sort of very simple tool
1:02:22kit that they're letting other people use now to make those channels
1:02:26yeah that to me could be the you know my best guess for what he meant by a
1:02:33cracked it and it's just you know maybe it's some kind of next generation thing
1:02:38bluetooth for the remotes and so they maybe you could even have like gaming
1:02:44remote and a real App Store SDK and let people just you know put apps on Apple
1:02:52TV the same way they do their iPhone and iPad but that would work with any TV
1:02:58while IDs or distribute those boxes than a massive IC whenever one of my
1:03:09neighbors get City vs massive cardboard box on the site the one TV said at CES
1:03:16this year that did get a little bit of my attention
1:03:19stood out from the others with LG because they announced one that runs
1:03:23webOS which I had forgotten that they'd purchased they like purchased webOS from
1:03:32HP what's what's the thinking behind that is just that it's easy to write
1:03:40apps for it
1:03:41JavaScript I i guess i dont know I mean and it's obviously the original
1:03:47the webOS as we knew it from the Palm Pre phone and the telecom the PlayBook
1:03:56was a you know i OS style glass touchscreen interface and obviously your
1:04:03TV set is not a touch screen but it seems like they kind of kept it you know
1:04:08so it's not really webOS as we knew it but its webOS base similar to how you
1:04:13know had a low-level technically Apple TV the one you buy today is running iOS
1:04:17version of iOS it's just not it's a totally different interface
1:04:22yeah I actually did a research report about the various development platforms
1:04:28for Smart TVs and it's it's horrible it's WAY worse than Android like it's
1:04:34almost every model year has a different SDK and you have to test them like crazy
1:04:43it takes months or even years to make it a smart TV app for a lot of
1:04:47manufacturing case and there are using different technology and chipsets and
1:04:53all this crap and is a lot of low level stuff so it's just a disaster so if
1:04:57webOS is like hey just you know HTML and Javascript and you're all set
1:05:03that's a huge advantage over whatever you know Visio or Samsung has been
1:05:09forcing people to do and I could be a big advantage for Apple because Apple
1:05:14not only has tons of developers now you know because obviously I mean I think it
1:05:22would be almost shocking if the STK were anything other then Objective C and
1:05:26cocoa API's you know but optimized for TV but they also suggest that they have
1:05:34developers but that they have i mean let's go all the way back to 1990 and
1:05:39say you know 89 and say you know you know go back to next and say they've got
1:05:47twenty to twenty-five years of experience making a developer platform
1:05:52that evolves over time so that it's not you know it is familiar
1:05:57you know if anybody has written an iOS app room a cab the presumed AppleTV SDK
1:06:02would be pretty familiar and that as it involves year over year over year it's
1:06:07not gonna break it you're over year and that you're writing a nap in 2014 and
1:06:132015 it's going to be broken
1:06:15you know it would be stable stable platform that evolves over time which i
1:06:21think is a big difference compared to like what you're saying about
1:06:24the smart TVs on the market today
1:06:27yeah and also a platform that has been smartly designed for that type of
1:06:35equipments gonna run on now whereas even even the attempts to kind of shoe horn
1:06:41Andhra into it
1:06:42TV you know and how well that's working for me and it is this sort of thing
1:06:49we're even if they come out with and I think you know obviously it would be the
1:06:52thing that would slow adoption the most is if if Apple's Apple TV of the future
1:06:58is a whole TV set the whole thing at once you have to buy a new TV said but
1:07:04it's all built in I think that would slow adoption because obviously the
1:07:07price would be higher and it would rule out anybody who says well I just bought
1:07:11a TV X number of years ago replacing it even for a cool one from Apple even if
1:07:18you know their market share was very low like 23 percent of the whole USTV market
1:07:24that hold 23 percent would be on their app store and even a 23 percent of all
1:07:30households clearly I think that would make it the the most popular platform
1:07:36for developers already even with just 23 percent market share because the whole
1:07:41thing is so fractured especially if they know made it openly the trouble with
1:07:47stuff like the Xbox SDK is there still very tightly controlled right right
1:07:54that's my biggest
1:07:55can't see that being the only way to run Apple TV apps like I could see that
1:08:00being the preferred way like maybe the Apple TV has you know you don't need to
1:08:06have some sort of other input for the whatever remote control they have or
1:08:11something like that but I can't see them forcing you to buy it the whole
1:08:16television to yeah I thought the same thing to that even if they come out with
1:08:20it he said they'd still have set top boxes that you can put into other TV
1:08:25sets but then you get into questions of you know latency and
1:08:30and if you have apps that depend upon that the lesser latency of the native
1:08:36you know the the whole shebang built into the Apple one by itself how they
1:08:40run on the one that sucked up by HDMI has a additional latency or something
1:08:45like that I don't know but yeah I agree I don't think that they would do it that
1:08:51way did you do you see any any smart watches you like this week
1:08:57no not at all although wearables totally seem to be the second big theme of the
1:09:03show especially i think i mean it seemed to me from my the coverage I saw sitting
1:09:12at home
1:09:13wrist wearables some of them watches some of them more like maybe by quantity
1:09:18more of them more like a Nike FuelBand like plain band around arrest I got
1:09:26people upset I guess when I called out the pedal steel is being ugly horrible
1:09:32right I don't like the old Casio watches that my uncle stash had and liked the
1:09:39early nineties and you can still buy those that like american apparel and
1:09:43it's sort of like american apparel style retro hip like yeah they'll also sell
1:09:47you a pair of like you know like the glasses my dad was wearing in 1982 the
1:09:54metal bar but it's almost to me it's more almost like a knockoff of those
1:09:59Casias just like the integration of the band to the watch face it just seems
1:10:05really really clinically done and I I like the first one is born
1:10:12I don't have one but I do have one I have so I do have some experience you
1:10:17know speaking of it but like I wrote on during fireball least the other one the
1:10:21original one to me it's true to itself is it a beautiful watch know but it's
1:10:28to me it's no uglier than any other digital watch it's a slightly awkward
1:10:32form factor may be but you know it's to support its portrait landscape display
1:10:40I'd I think it's a big step backwards in my opinion because I feel like they've
1:10:46concentrated like and effectively from everything I've read that like the
1:10:51screen resolution is exactly the same the screen technologies the same the
1:10:54insides of the same like they they're like effort over the last year has been
1:10:58to to to make these met all watches in metal and leather bands as opposed to
1:11:06improving the thing that I think they should have been working on which is the
1:11:08software and I know they have a 2.0 software release coming to but it it's
1:11:13not a better computing device it's just supposedly a better and more attractive
1:11:18watch but to me it's not it's really horrid the juju people had spent that
1:11:25whole year making the case look better as thats what was gonna make it right
1:11:30more competitive against the inevitable iPad right and the thing that got me and
1:11:34no offense to the public people and I'm rooting for them I hope pebble becomes a
1:11:38long-term success
1:11:39terms of you know who I would love to see a power company like people grow and
1:11:43become a success I just feel like this generation is a step backwards and that
1:11:48they've lost their way they've lost their eyes off the ball
1:11:54but they said it a couple came out at CES and said we've made it our watches
1:11:58look better and all the tech press was like pebble has made their watches look
1:12:02better because that's what they said as opposed to looking at them and the same
1:12:06man he's up watches are ugh yeah so here's the next annoying trend for the
1:12:14next year maybe forward is tech companies like that the nerdiest of
1:12:21nerdy tech companies pretending that that they have friends in the fashion
1:12:27industry
1:12:28case in point this invitation my wife was a fashion journalists got inviting
1:12:34her from Intel to the CES wearable technology briefing for an intimate
1:12:39session on what's next for Intel in fashion is the microchip company
1:12:45semiconductor company inviting fashion people to hear what they're doing in
1:12:51fashion like I can't even imagine how awesome that I think my favorite part of
1:12:55that invitation is the word next though there have been previous Intel is
1:13:02opposed to Intel's previous forays into fashion when they took pentium three
1:13:09chips that failed testing on the assembly line and turn them into
1:13:12necklaces when they added YKK zippers to the bunny suit
1:13:22yes you know of course Apple to just hired the CEO buries so that's cool but
1:13:29you just gonna be on and on and on about it was when I read this department store
1:13:36called opening ceremony is doing something with some I don't remember
1:13:42some wearable tech stuff all its all this wearable tech stuff we got passion
1:13:46people gonna be ok but yeah i feel like i dont know I feel like different people
1:13:55obviously have different tastes and of course no doubt zeroed out my mind of
1:13:59course there are some people who think the new pub watches look just fine or
1:14:04even good course but I think in the mass market I feel very very confident
1:14:08betting that they are gonna go over like led balloons and number two they cost
1:14:14two hundred and fifty bucks which I know by the standards of like a Rolex or
1:14:19something like that is low but that's you know it's probably more than you
1:14:23know a lot more than the average person has ever spent much of her life it's
1:14:28decent chunk of change in the same amount of money you spend on an iPod or
1:14:35something like that and I feel like gets a pass from a lot of the tech either the
1:14:45tech crash or Tech fans who read the tech press because they're a little guy
1:14:50and there is an upstart but kick-start or success but two hundred and fifty
1:14:55bucks is two hundred and fifty bucks and if they're charging $250 for a consumer
1:15:01to buy this gadget it should be judged by the same standards as say Apple or
1:15:07Amazon Kindle Samsung or anybody it's the same two hundred and fifty bucks and
1:15:14you know if Apple came out with a watch that looked like double it it would and
1:15:20should cause their stocks to collapse caused like a 50% decrease in the price
1:15:26of the stock
1:15:27because it would have to make you think that if they came out with a watch it
1:15:31and it looked like the double steal I would say the company is doomed and
1:15:35every type I was wrong
1:15:37steve Jobs was the entire company
1:15:41Jony ive is a fraud right and I'm not saying that that means that pebble is
1:15:46doomed I just think it means that people still has a lot of work ahead of them to
1:15:50get there because you can you can excuse pebble as an upstart for having
1:15:54something but I still feel like it's up to the tech press in the critics to call
1:15:59it as I see it as it is right yeah it's a you know an early adopter
1:16:05nerd nerd toy and that these guys are basically you know a lab upstart cool
1:16:10that's awesome but it's being pitched as if it should be a some sort of
1:16:14mainstream things right and I don't think it's there and I don't see it I
1:16:20think the fitness trackers kind of sort of our if you're into that you know and
1:16:25and I was thinking about that this week it never really occurred to me before
1:16:28but everybody knows everybody follows the stuff knows that Tim Cook has worn a
1:16:33Nike FuelBand for a couple of years at least and is on the board of nineteen
1:16:40raid I can't remember any Apple executive publicly using technology from
1:16:49any other company ever and I know it now Apple unlike you have a kind of
1:16:53relationship and I know that you know like the integration with the iPod but I
1:16:59think it's a dangerous you put in your IQ + yeah whatever it's called but
1:17:04there's a good thing you can buy to put your sneaker and when they announced it
1:17:07I remembered thinking like so is is jobs gonna wear nike sneakers instead of his
1:17:12new balance and he did like the one event he had like a pair of Nikes on
1:17:15so it's not any way back
1:17:19yeah just for that event but I i and I always wonder about that like if you
1:17:25know and I think about some of the stupidest things because I feel like
1:17:28nobody else I'd love to get the story on that like did somebody have to go up to
1:17:32Steve Jobs and say hey Steve better if you were apparent nike's and like what
1:17:38was his reaction or what did Jobs himself say give me apparently keys to
1:17:41wear for this thing yeah did he did with them I don't remember exactly how it
1:17:46went but it was a member I don't know was a long time ago guess it was like 90
1:17:53are 2005 2004 2005 but I can you know after that is jobs was on stage wearing
1:18:05Nike shoes and he certainly did you know obviously the Nike shoes Nike tractor
1:18:10and I can't remember anybody else wearing a sonata fitness hobbyist no I
1:18:20don't think so but it looks like he's a jock yes if not a jockey's like Tiger
1:18:30basically mound bayou and stuff like that definitely fitness efficient and
1:18:39like you said he's on a keyboard yes which has always been weird to me
1:18:43recently I guess he pulling an Eric Schmidt I don't know and it's it would
1:18:48seem the extraordinarily out of character for him to pull in Nike Eric
1:18:52Schmidt yeah which would be to unveil like a Nike Plus Nike FuelBand killer
1:18:58yes Apple gas gas water whatever right gasped and it's not just because he's on
1:19:05the board and you know and that he wears one but they they even specifically
1:19:10called out Nike when they announced the iPhone 5 ass with the m7 co-processor
1:19:20you know in that it's not just for the iPhone used but third party apps can tap
1:19:24into it and at night he was the one that called out you know an app has shipped
1:19:29and at night he has an app that can use the data from you know that they've
1:19:33they've Apple stance on that is sort of been that you know that is therefore
1:19:38everybody's not just then yes and I where they work together on something
1:19:47like that
1:19:48well i gonna make shoes shoes for something then we're a mean wearable
1:19:55stuff definitely me as technology has everything shrinks you know everything
1:20:01from cameras to two batteries to the CPUs mean wearable is obviously have no
1:20:07future directions for computers but what are they gonna do write what you know
1:20:13put it in Clayton Christensen's did you
1:20:17terms with what's the job to be done what are you hiring these wearable
1:20:22devices to do and it seems like the one thing that's been a success so far is
1:20:27stuff like the FuelBand and fit debt where you're hiring these devices to
1:20:31track what you've done all day and tell you how far you've gone and you know to
1:20:36help you track your goals for burning calories throughout the day but that's a
1:20:40niche and I feel like it's already being satisfied that you like anybody who just
1:20:44wants to know how far they walked in how many stairs they've climbed you can
1:20:50already buy a device at a reasonable price that works really well and
1:20:56integrates you know with your computer so you can store the data and stuff like
1:21:00that I don't have any building it into the iPhone right
1:21:06chips already built into the iPhone you know and
1:21:10I just don't see that as a market that's ripe for disruption right just doesn't
1:21:16seem like there's any kind of problem with those devices if all you want to do
1:21:20is track fitness their day seemed to work really well and be pretty elegant
1:21:24as opposed to the pre iPhone smartphone market which was a mass and the phone
1:21:30said terrible interfaces and confusing and you know everybody you know how to
1:21:36use their phones and it was just right for something like that fun to come in I
1:21:41just don't see that in the fitness tracking now time to say again Apple
1:21:45shirley is working on wearable stuff tiny little things but I don't think of
1:21:49fitness tracker is that yes could be something that does fitness tracking as
1:21:55part of a dozen other things but that's not at the device just as you know i pod
1:22:03is also a nap but whatever the music you know the way so yeah I don't know and
1:22:09you know what is the job hiring it for ya I don't know I feel like that is just
1:22:15it was not answered by anybody at CES I didn't see anything that makes me think
1:22:19wow that's that's kind of important step forward i guess i another thing I was
1:22:24did you see that the wearable thing that record audio around you
1:22:29for ninety minutes on Hulu percent ninety seconds yet sixty 60 second
1:22:35continuing forget the name of it s on the verge quarter yeah something it's
1:22:42interesting because I do feel like that's that's inevitably where some of
1:22:45this stuff is going right the ideas you got sixty seconds of recording at all
1:22:50times and it just drops off at 61 seconds ago just dropped off at the end
1:22:55of the buffer but then if something has happened within the last minute that you
1:22:59want to save you hit a button and it saves that audio so if you know
1:23:05you know it's the audio equivalent of capturing that photo that you're
1:23:12watching happen as you take your phone idea pocket and I remember I forget who
1:23:16linked to a bit late one of the questions on the website is is it legal
1:23:21which is half funny in the creepy Shenzhen have sort of you know we're
1:23:26gonna have to face this because just think like if you just go for it
1:23:30ten years is probably even too much but ten years from now the storage on our
1:23:37phone size devices is gonna be so much bigger and hopefully battery life will
1:23:45be so much better at doing something like recording a 60 minute buffer of
1:23:50audio you know would not strain the device at all and so why not like how do
1:23:54you know if somebody isn't recording it and you know and and project forward
1:23:59with something like Google glass that people wear on my glasses with a much
1:24:03smaller camera and heads up display so that it you don't see it
1:24:09per say you know what happens if you can't see the camerons somebody's
1:24:12glasses you have no way to distinguish between someone who's wearing non smart
1:24:19glasses and regular glasses and it has the storage that it can just or a 60
1:24:25minute buffer at all times so that you don't have to record in advance you
1:24:28can't just decide hey this last five minutes has been sensational you know I
1:24:32just saw I don't know cab burst into flames on the street I've got footage of
1:24:37it I didn't remember to hit record but I can't just say right now they say the
1:24:41last five minutes
1:24:42yeah I just got into a really great argument with the drunk guy I wish I
1:24:46could post that to SoundCloud or something I'm not entirely comfortable
1:24:50about that I don't think it's a great idea but I I am it's happening right now
1:24:55you know exactly exactly that's my main point where it's going to be so we kind
1:25:01of have to come to grips with ya and figure out how you know what's going to
1:25:05be considered acceptable
1:25:07and for better and worse like all those Russian dash cam video of my life so you
1:25:15know this is absolutely an upside to this is not a separate device but it's
1:25:22it's an app on my Apple you know whatever it now I guess that's probably
1:25:27the best in a in in a weird way those Russian dash cams which apparently
1:25:32everybody gets you have to have your insurance even mandates it in russia
1:25:36because something like so much insurance fraud problems in russia and in car
1:25:43insurance that everybody has these always on dash cams they're always
1:25:47recording when your cars on and so yes you said your YouTube is just fall of
1:25:53all sorts of fantastic footage that never would have been captured before
1:25:57it's almost like thats the canary in the coalmine like the future of everything I
1:26:03get some point everything will be like Russian Tascam everything that happens
1:26:07will be if it if it was all wish we could put that on YouTube you'll have it
1:26:10to put on YouTube shifted you see that the plane crash today did you know some
1:26:15some guy had his GoPro camera on while he was in a plane crash in you know
1:26:22survived but there's a YouTube video
1:26:25yeah it was maybe you played but when I was looking at Twitter this morning it's
1:26:33whatever it was
1:26:34retweeting
1:26:35the act crazy you know that's the new normal is that that everything is
1:26:39recorded so even scary stuff will be able to see generally see a lot in that
1:26:46direction at CES I kind of was wondering if we were gonna see a bunch of Google
1:26:54class sort of you know heads up display type things and didn't see anybody had
1:27:03anything like that
1:27:04gonna sell one but it was just very you know even more primitive than Google
1:27:11glass was almost more like an oculus rift
1:27:15yeah like big and I saw somebody else had one it was meant for safety workers
1:27:23it was a safety glasses with a built-in heads up display and you know which i
1:27:30think is a fine idea somebody on Twitter you know I think something like safety
1:27:39glasses with a built-in heads up display well that's great because if you're
1:27:43already wearing safety glasses you're not concerned about you know fashion at
1:27:47all it's a practical you know you're in a practical situation so why not have a
1:27:52heads up display if you could help you you know in terms of you know doing the
1:27:56job that you're doing they have the safety glasses on in the first place
1:28:00right if you're like a chemist or something like that you can have you
1:28:05know by step instructions for the expression workers something building a
1:28:11building in your own it
1:28:12reference the plans right or consult about the supplies you know do I need
1:28:17the IKEA instructions right but it would be cool if you're a construction worker
1:28:25and you need more I don't know now that you bring it up on their heads up
1:28:31display you know use gestures or buttons on the side and and and then have them
1:28:36sent up to you or something like that without having to you know take a phone
1:28:41out of your pocket or something like that would be great
1:28:44by and see anything like that now and that's one of those things where you
1:28:51know maybe they're they're hiding in the corner but no one now posted I don't
1:28:56know someday I'll have to get out there and find the words let me take one last
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1:32:33other big thing I saw was that there's a lot of car companies who are there yeah
1:32:40I know I wonder if there i mean you know I guess they they want to be considered
1:32:46consumer electronics as well and it's really hard for him because I've never
1:32:53owned a car so I don't really know I got member when cars got CD players in our
1:32:59school and now I get in the cabin they have the name of the song that's playing
1:33:03and i'm just still another did that on the radio
1:33:08piano you know and Ford and Microsoft I guess have that kind of alliance
1:33:14yeah and and there was something that already in Android but it didn't seem
1:33:20like it was a lot more hyped before CES than when the show came in land in terms
1:33:25of anything that was actually announced yeah just seems so so forced I'm still
1:33:35waiting for to see how the announced back at WWDC but still you know it seems
1:33:42like the cards are gonna come out until later this year how this iOS in the car
1:33:46turns out which is more or less
1:33:50a way to let you use your iPhone presumably but I work with iPads too but
1:33:55you bring your iPad or iPhone to your cart plug it in and then the UI of your
1:34:01car is driven by iOS I don't know you know I have so many questions about that
1:34:08I feel like you know they did just kind of threw up a bunch of you know here's
1:34:11the car companies who have got on board so far and in theory it sounds great and
1:34:16one of the things that sounds great about it is that rather than build say
1:34:20build Android 4.3 into the dash of your car but then you keep your car for 10
1:34:26years and ten years from now you're running an old version of Android if it
1:34:29was forward-thinking enough and it was just you plug your phone and then when
1:34:33you get a new phone and your to your car get smarter to ya you get new stuff and
1:34:39you keep going forward and a new OS and perhaps and all that stuff you know like
1:34:46in the same way that Steve Jobs on stage seven years ago the original iPhone
1:34:51introductions saying let's get rid of all these little plastic buttons on
1:34:55these phones because you can't change them over time and if you come up with a
1:34:58new idea in six months you can't add a new button joystick or whatever to do it
1:35:03let's make it all software I feel like that same sort of logic applies to let's
1:35:08let the brains of the car's computer be your phone because you're gonna upgrade
1:35:13your phone a lot more fruit most people at least are going to upgrade the phone
1:35:16a lot more frequently than their car unless you leave to get people who
1:35:21attended you know maybe upgrade on the phone like cycle but people who buy
1:35:27their card oh yeah and I saw actually really interesting chart on Twitter
1:35:31today which is like how people commute and I have something like seventy
1:35:35percent of people commute in a car by themselves so it actually is like a real
1:35:42abuse case and a real market there's no millions billions I guess about hours a
1:35:48year or so far commute so that's certainly a market for audio apps audio
1:35:57advertising
1:36:00I don't think games are or video really well I guess for the backseat well it's
1:36:05about attention right i mean the quote-unquote attention economy which is
1:36:10sort of us sounds like a buzzword but I think it's an important really is an
1:36:15important component of understanding the whole you know computer industry today I
1:36:22mean that computers / entertainment industry is that all sorts of things are
1:36:27constantly in flux except for the fact that we only have 24 hours a day right
1:36:33everybody only has so much attention and it's it's become them you know it's a
1:36:38limited resource and you know the supply is constant and the demand is ever
1:36:46growing or I guess the supply of potential I guess it's that I guess on
1:36:51the supply demand curve the demand is constant because we each only have so
1:36:56much attention to give but the supply of what we could give it to his infant and
1:37:03has been mostly you know dominated by terrestrial radio forever basically
1:37:10right and even you know what's the bigger change in recent years has been
1:37:15satellite radio which is just terrestrial radio better using a
1:37:22different distribution technology it's far closer to terrestrial radio in terms
1:37:28of experience and content than the internet or anything exciting
1:37:34interactive
1:37:35yeah I think it's interesting I bet this one of those things where just to get
1:37:39this technology in the car probably has at least a two year maybe three year
1:37:45lead time so that's probably part of the answer as to why it's one of those
1:37:51things that they cannot mention quickly and then hope you don't think too much
1:37:55about unless your gonna be developing for that sort of thing but once it's in
1:38:01there if it is modular if it's something that you know your phone is powering
1:38:05kinda like a real a real use case for the Palm folio maybe but there really is
1:38:13built into a car it actually makes sense but I you know I think like your said
1:38:18wait with that statistic we're seventy percent probably the Americans got it
1:38:21camp you i think i mean america's clearly skewed in that direction of you
1:38:28know solo commuters in a car but you know certainly it's no certainly not
1:38:35unique I mean there's you know people who drive to work all over the world but
1:38:41if you can get them to shift their keep me from being bored to death while I do
1:38:46this for an hour or two hours or in I'm know there's all sorts of statistics on
1:38:52the number of people who have like two hour plus commute day and shift that
1:38:57keep me from going insane from the radio whether it's stressful or satellite and
1:39:05switch that to iOS or Android you know any other platform boy that's a huge
1:39:09opportunity like to suddenly have two more hours
1:39:13somebody's attention today going into the you know app economy and economy
1:39:20yeah and you know I guess the early adopters are the new york city cabbies
1:39:25who have chat lines that they're on all day just kind of interesting you know
1:39:31that's not really a mainstream thing but
1:39:34that that's certainly one thing that could be more easily done with some sort
1:39:39of a platform in your car
1:39:41yeah I I have no doubt in my mind I mean I haven't done any I haven't conducted a
1:39:46survey maybe I should I don't know but there's no doubt in my mind that the
1:39:49whole rise in podcasting as a popular and you know something I can actually be
1:39:57a business is a large part driven by commuters definitely I mean I don't
1:40:03commute so I i listen too far fewer podcasts then most people who listen to
1:40:09the show but I think back to the years when I did and then this is the thing
1:40:14we're done the matter if you're in a car and I mean people on you know who walked
1:40:18a worker it take a subway to work or anything like that any kind of public
1:40:21transportation
1:40:22you know you can listen to podcasts and I was no doubt in my mind that it
1:40:26commuting is the attention fuel behind podcasting as a business
1:40:34yeah I think that I'll be definitely one of the the home screen apps on whatever
1:40:40that UI looks but I think it wouldn't it be great if forecasts or whatever it's
1:40:45going to be great to get your yes under cats Marcos podcast app overcast
1:40:54overcast yeah that would be great if your podcast that were on your phone
1:41:05whereas natively accessible in the car as turning on the radio right that's to
1:41:12me is what this iOS in the car hopefully is getting out where you don't it's not
1:41:16like you're sitting there fiddling with cable connectors and a phone interface
1:41:21that isn't really meant to be used while you're in the car you know when you want
1:41:25to turn on the radio you just punch about right and then the station you
1:41:29twisted dial
1:41:30will not be great if you can pick through your podcast that easily and
1:41:34that drives me nuts that Siri doesn't understand the concept of a podcast they
1:41:40have I say play the latest episode of the talk show even in the native pride
1:41:45cast at ya boy would be great if you get Siri you know in this opens up a whole
1:41:53show about you know Syrian third party apps but boy wouldn't it be great if you
1:41:58know every podcast app could just provide series with a look here's a
1:42:03structured data in the format you want here's the content I have to offer and
1:42:08so that the person can say way the newest episode of the talks so talk show
1:42:15in overcast and where I left off listening to headphones iCloud knows
1:42:21well I guess that would be up to each app but I think it their own way even
1:42:27when podcast were part of the iTunes App you know the music app ipod whatever is
1:42:33called it still couldn't couldn't handle it can do songs albums and all that kind
1:42:38of stuff but can't can't handle podcast right I hope that's the other thing to
1:42:44me is clearly the future of entertainment in your car if if not the
1:42:48present right from sure there's a lot of people it's already the present but the
1:42:51future of entertainment in your car it's not FM radio and I thinks that satellite
1:42:58radio temporary cluj
1:43:01howard stern it's casting its its cellular IP right and why pay for some
1:43:11kind of cellular IP built into the car when you've already got your phone with
1:43:14you every single time you step into the car and your car has plenty of energy to
1:43:20bear to keep your phone charged while you use it you know so hopefully that's
1:43:27the future but there didn't seem to be any kind of major progress on that front
1:43:31at CES I was curious whether anybody was going to come out with something
1:43:36compelling before Apple does and it doesn't seem like that happen but maybe
1:43:43maybe that's the wrong venue for another 90 yeah maybe you know you never know
1:43:47but you know but then why else would all these people be a show or something like
1:43:52that I don't know Detroit car show or something anything else good that's
1:44:02about it so next year we're going to Vegas we have two yeah let's do it got
1:44:08some guys sponsor it calls call Samsung
1:44:13somebody like Samsung should be the one to sponsor the nude will do a live show
1:44:18rats yes who have you know special guest alright I'll get on it and make it all
1:44:28right down from her thank you so much
1:44:31throughout way what he wanted to what you want to promote let's plug my
1:44:35podcast this week let's plug out because I promised my wife we doin this weekend
1:44:40so new episode it actually it's called the needle and the mouse and it covers
1:44:47some of the topics we're talking about today specifically the intersection of
1:44:51technology and fashion so we talk about stuff like wire TV so ugly and wearable
1:44:59and all that crap so the needle and the mouse dot com and the needle in the
1:45:05mouth so bad if you just googled a big kiss Google search for the needle in the
1:45:09mouse pad castle show that's fun we we try to do it every couple weeks and it's
1:45:14been great I think it's a ripe topic for four sho easily fill up next two to
1:45:24three years and the and the Mac people will appreciate our our logo is the old
1:45:29Mac mouse very very nice
1:45:33all right thank you dan thanks for having me alright see in Vegas