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0:00:00I missed it this year I was not at the Macworld are you weren't there

0:00:05did you see me know I do I know I'm trying to reach you were missed

0:00:16I'm trying to remember the last time I mister macrame it's been so many years

0:00:20in a row that I don't even remember the first night I got I got to love you too

0:00:25many beverages and it was because I wasn't there to watch you do you want

0:00:32their love for me to watch so that I saw that would that would know how much was

0:00:36too many so how was the show it was pretty good I mean it's I haven't seen

0:00:49numbers for the traffic but the traffic on the floor was decent and I can never

0:00:54tell cuz they was moving around so it's hard to do so this year was in Moscone

0:00:59North also writes we're in a weird but different right and I can you know so I

0:01:05can't judge how big the floor was compared to previous years

0:01:09alright because the last couple of years it was in moscow near West which is in

0:01:14my opinion a much nicer building because it's above ground in rape rates it's

0:01:19nicer flooded with sunlight and then moscow north and south are literally the

0:01:24subterranean training there did not you know like a euphemism for something

0:01:31lives you literally go down and it seemed that seemed like the the show was

0:01:39maybe a maybe just a little bit smaller than last year I don't know but at the

0:01:42same time it also just seemed like there was less just junk

0:01:47symbol for a long time particularly after the iPhone came out there was just

0:01:52got flooded with crappy cases and stuff like that and they're still in there

0:01:59still a little confused little sort of their their the the booze that are hired

0:02:06by remember

0:02:07hockey in Hocking the cheapest possible your phones and and stuff like that but

0:02:12for the most part I think it seemed seemed to me like what they shed or

0:02:17maybe a couple of the large like he wasn't there

0:02:20Romney has for years had a big booth and they didn't have didn't have a booth

0:02:24there this year but they also just seemed like there was a lot of the

0:02:30jungles cut out to which was nice yeah I remember specifically in 2011 because I

0:02:37had to be 2011 because it was the first year after the iPad was original iPad

0:02:42was announced and it really seemed like half the booths were for like either

0:02:49iPad cases or and it was such a huge thing and once you notice that you just

0:02:53couldn't help saying it like every other booths selling it like right attachable

0:02:57arms that you could attach an iPad 2 to make it like hang on a wall or you know

0:03:03any sort of just like they were throwing everything up against rain any snap onto

0:03:12an iPad and it was a robot arms and you know just ways that you would like hang

0:03:17it in a cubicle all these insights from our thinking I can see how late in a

0:03:23rare case somebody needs this thing but I can't imagine how have these booms

0:03:29could be selling these you know how many people actually need to hang in there I

0:03:33paddle yeah and they were booed their single pues the just head literally

0:03:36hundreds of different iPhone cases right back then and I did seems like that

0:03:42stuff is kinda dried up as its well yeah right I think it's not that they're

0:03:50selling that the that the industry as a whole is selling fewer iPad cases are

0:03:54probably something more than ever because more iPads than ever it's just

0:03:57that the the sort of gold rush mentality ok we're going to be a company that

0:04:03makes these we better get a booth you know all these trade shows yes is over

0:04:08right

0:04:10what about the conference had a pretty well I didn't go to a huge number of

0:04:16said I wasn't there was only there two days and I was on one panel and then I

0:04:21went to a couple others in the ones that are good that the one that I really

0:04:29liked was the target to get the name run it's led to the rapid fire I think when

0:04:35they get they got like eighteen people come up and talk about something for

0:04:38five minutes

0:04:40that's a great format I love them kisses or react and and they just they had a

0:04:44really good set of examples of like different technologies in also just like

0:04:50ways to do things that I went in there and then i feel myself taking notes so a

0:04:57lot of times I think that's a great format and it's it's like it's the way

0:05:02that Twitter can be a more efficient means of communication even if you're

0:05:06struggling at first to fit your ideas you know whatever it is you're trying to

0:05:09convey in 240 characters once you do it's the condensed nugget of the message

0:05:17are trying to get a part and that's the same thing with those three three-minute

0:05:20a five-minute yeah / sessions yeah i koe since

0:05:25inside a pretty funny is the iFixit guy yeah try some people crazy because you

0:05:33railed against Apple for making devices that are you know more or less and less

0:05:39fixable over the years but a trend right but he had a hit again we would just

0:05:45like to talk about it easy ways to fixture your devices and then and they

0:05:49threw in a bunch of them that he was obviously pretending worries me that

0:05:52we're really not easy

0:05:56yeah his stride trying to get a night trying to get an iPad Mini open I'm

0:06:02never going to try to get an iPad Mini oh yeah you know what I have to say I

0:06:08don't even know the lake is this thing they have to buy and you put it in the

0:06:14microwave heated up and then you have to apply it to the many

0:06:18Tulisa now like some of the gum underneath or something like that so you

0:06:22can pry no I don't even see I guess you had to have to somehow loosen the

0:06:29adhesive that attaches rights going right right and then you have to stick a

0:06:34bunch of different injuries were those things are those little plastic things

0:06:40that your pricing support with ya hear ya his his status has been the the thing

0:06:47that you're talking about that he enjoys people is that his stick is that every

0:06:51single design decision that Apple makes with any of its devices that ends up

0:06:54making it hard for them or other third-party fix-it shops to fix these

0:07:00things he attributes to solely to liking money despite a money-making grab on

0:07:10Apple's part and that it has nothing to do with the obvious which is making

0:07:15these devices is ridiculously thin and light as possible

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0:08:46Verizon but my monthly bill is not that much now my monthly bill is not that

0:08:52much either in my Verizon I've gotten a call right you don't even have an AT&T I

0:09:00honestly I don't know which bastard company I've given my phone number two

0:09:05has told me out but I hate it here because they do about it

0:09:11what i'll do is some of those two is just a waste their time I want that's

0:09:15hard because it then you don't want to talk to me they just want me to go to

0:09:18their fishing website which I haven't seen that before until late last week

0:09:23when I start getting these calls but if it's only usual one where they're like

0:09:28you know press one to speak to a representative I'll do it if if I'm not

0:09:32busy US press one and then I'll just try to waste their time in a jerk on the

0:09:36phone for a couple minutes I don't have the final I never hit me never answers I

0:09:45hate answering the phone which is my mother in scene right because she's a

0:09:50generational wealth on costs could be a real phone call right tackle social

0:09:57obligation to answer the phone what kind of a person makes a phone call hell yeah

0:10:03that's the only thing I also don't make phone calls you and I are good friends

0:10:06we've been friends for many years I think it's a very very high likelihood

0:10:12of you and I have never once made a phone call to each other I don't think I

0:10:15have your number I know I wouldn't give you mine

0:10:18yeah but I don't need your number 12 different ways and get a hold you and

0:10:28never them involved calling you on the phone

0:10:30although I do it does occur to me though that I think and so for example were

0:10:35talking about going to Macworld Expo so-called I know if I can to Macworld

0:10:43what they call it the official name at Macworld iWorld / well you spell it that

0:10:49way but you know / the silent but we've been going it's actually mackerel

0:10:55divided by world we've been going I don't even know when I first heard about

0:10:59it sometime in the 2001 and San Francisco and you know we are friends

0:11:07will will have adult beverages and happy hour and we have you know circle of

0:11:12other friends we often meet with I don't remember how the ever coordinated that

0:11:16before we had iPhones as I had a cell phone but you know it was just stupid

0:11:22little one with nine buttons I mean you could tax but it was like to get a C you

0:11:27had to hit the two button three times you know right

0:11:30certainly wasn't using that much I don't remember how we coordinated stuff I

0:11:35don't need any other e-mail I guess how did we check our email

0:11:42yeah I mean we do we take laptops everywhere and how we we could only use

0:11:47among we're on wifi and I don't remember there being WiFi Mac relax against

0:11:51recalled I mean I guess we and i know i guess i didnt i didnt i didnt go to me

0:11:57before I will I guess I actually my first one was the one with the iPhone

0:12:00was introduced so I only went to one without an iPhone I don't remember how

0:12:07we don't remember how adults coordinated things like hey let's all meet for

0:12:11drinks tomorrow we used to just where we used to meet at sessions which still has

0:12:17done a good responses during a session you hang out the session then you talk

0:12:21to them and yeah and somebody would make an initial decision and somehow

0:12:25communicate

0:12:30caveman style yeah I don't remember and I think I guess maybe we just stuck

0:12:34together basically a travel in packs to go take a leak because everybody would

0:12:42get up and go and get lost you have no idea whether are our good friend Paul

0:12:49capacity out in the street to catch a newborn to go someplace and

0:12:54and I got mixed up because he said he said mission I heard market so I was

0:12:58over it was over in March and he was he was trying to messaging center back for

0:13:05the new stratosphere where the heck I was one point you just gotta find my

0:13:09friends and I can see him . and then and then we didn't do it this time but

0:13:23setting up like a board what's the class bored Glassport yeah yeah but that's

0:13:30another one that requires an iPhone right task for a little ad hoc social

0:13:36temporary social group but I mean in fact it's almost like the ideal use case

0:13:43of class bored but again and requires an iPhone and I remember it yeah no doubt

0:13:53on the missed out on a lot back then what happened

0:13:56yeah I guess maybe you know called it a night early and went to bed really sad

0:14:04is that somehow though the fact that I don't remember makes me think that no

0:14:07that's not we'll see tonight so we're worried the conference sessions if that

0:14:15if the expo was in moscow North the conference sessions were like in that

0:14:20big long hallway right outside the entrance in the in the base yet in the

0:14:26basement which I didn't even realize they were there particularly so there

0:14:31are some in there and then you went through that tunnel to self and that big

0:14:37auditorium there which i think is where you give you give your talk that when

0:14:42your keynote that one year it was a single room I don't know if it was the

0:14:46the big room that it was a big room yeah it looked about the same size as that

0:14:54which was where they like them big presentations were yeah we're just

0:14:57taking in moscow myself but it's just connected to not like

0:15:02like a concourse between moscow

0:15:06yeah there's often vendors in there too and I've never understood never

0:15:14understood how that how that came to be

0:15:16yeah this year is just all in all of north is North the bigger one or the

0:15:25smaller one this morning it's the small one small one cause I remember when I am

0:15:29pleased to go through everything they used to have the big stuff and self

0:15:34right where as Apple's booth was and then like a little like the the

0:15:41Northwoods was more of the ghetto right like the little small companies one but

0:15:46it was always my head but then tighten tone was was still in itself I remember

0:15:53it just it seemed like I think the less expensive boots were in North background

0:16:00did you add to see marion was born there now I didn't see marlon this year I

0:16:05don't think he became came out for the show i believe was marlin who coined yes

0:16:12it is

0:16:13is always my favorite place to talk to people talk to the bill yeah yeah cuz

0:16:19it's that is the place where you see the people who either a have like a really

0:16:24clever new things you've never heard of before and you're actually genuinely

0:16:28like wow I just learned about a new thing this is why this is why this is a

0:16:34good legitimate business expenses I just learned something I wouldn't have

0:16:37learned otherwise or be this person is crazy this person has a crazy idea I

0:16:46cannot believe that they have a company set up to do this but they're you know

0:16:51they're fascinating talk to 45 minutes about that yeah yeah yeah yeah there was

0:16:57one I didn't see these guys but

0:16:58serenity Caldwell was telling me about it they had some home automation hub

0:17:06can't remember exactly what does bill is like everything that you use will

0:17:10connect into it and just how are you gonna do that I we we publish an API so

0:17:20they added they had a real build it if you build it they will come

0:17:23everyone was going to be looking into their system just because what do you

0:17:29mean know that everything would like your for your iPhone and you know any

0:17:34device that you wanted to control your home from a run into their system

0:17:39because everybody would build it would build into good luck with that

0:17:45what about smart watches and stuff like that and you can see I didn't see any

0:17:58any of that stuff really didn't see any of the names that we we know because now

0:18:07that's the stuff that really exists other than pebble which isn't really a

0:18:14trade shows at this point rate I don't know if they do question but I didn't

0:18:18see people there don't think they were there and then the other stuff is all

0:18:23Android tyson is its advertising stuff isn't even shipping though is it it's

0:18:30just like an ounce yeah I don't think so

0:18:33about Google glass everywhere in the class as someone purse I saw one person

0:18:38wearing Google glass and I think that's the whole even the whole time I saw one

0:18:43person in the shower with glass and I didn't see anybody else wearing it in

0:18:48San Francisco which was quite surprised that has even been allowed to San

0:18:56Francisco in a couple months but I know I remembered even back at WWDC which was

0:19:01what like nine months ago

0:19:04yeah yeah so about nine months ago

0:19:08see a couple times a day somebody either in WWDC either in the somebody was

0:19:18actually attending or just out and about in the streets of San Francisco you see

0:19:21somebody you know it obviously wasn't a huge thing but it was it sticks out

0:19:26enough that it you know you always notice it especially if you're from out

0:19:30of town but it seems to me like the we've already reached peak class yeah I

0:19:39mean and in their own there are enough San Francisco's having enough social

0:19:44problems with class right now that if you own glass you're probably thinking

0:19:50when you go out maybe I'll go out for a drink or whatever may be able to sleep

0:19:55the glass home and you know that could change in the future if if they come out

0:20:01with a new version that is less noticeable yeah I'm sure it'll be

0:20:07partners right you may not even be able to go out without it right it's because

0:20:11it's either going to fade away and they're going to just sort of brush it

0:20:15under the rug and you know say I forgot about that or it's going to get less

0:20:19noticeable so that could change but the glass as we know it

0:20:23these Explorer hits you know it's I think that the naysayers were exactly

0:20:30right that things are ridiculous

0:20:34expose where it was still taking off if people were still wearing them you would

0:20:40have seen more than one is just a break in a year ago you sought more frequently

0:20:44right yeah I guess I was surprised as I just a thought that everybody would I

0:20:56kinda get the feeling too with the whole Android where announcement that its I

0:21:03and I could be wrong

0:21:04you know I I have no inside knowledge of what the hell Google is up to so you

0:21:10know they could have an amazing new glass to point out ready to announce you

0:21:14know any week now but I kinda get the feeling that Android where is sort of ok

0:21:19forgot about class now we're going with it with the stuff with the watches and

0:21:23yeah amulets that's a good idea right and get away with dr. strange yeah yeah

0:21:34like doctor or whatever flavor Flav yeah sure and that's what it is that's where

0:21:44you that's where you know that something's really good as when they

0:21:46have a celebrity spokesperson I don't understand why anybody does that a

0:21:52celebrity spokesperson celebrity spokesperson just is it just reeks of

0:21:56desperation to me but somebody must be telling me nine maybe they have numbers

0:22:02that I don't never seem to like HDD dragging poor Robert Downey jr. to talk

0:22:11about how great HTC is using HTC phone I can see it for just for the commercial

0:22:18if you gonna you know like for example I don't think I never liked Apple's you

0:22:24know celebrity ads either right they have their heads so we shall

0:22:29Sam Sam Jackson yeah and

0:22:36was it martin scorsese deniro yeah I know is it says in the back seat of a

0:22:44cab talking to Serie A which was the one that I think was the most problematic

0:22:50because a he was in midtown Manhattan and you don't whatever you whatever your

0:22:59experience with serious like I mean it still depends on having a working

0:23:02international internet connection and B Martin Scorsese famously is you know one

0:23:08of the fastest speakers in the world and you know to have that Ratatat

0:23:15conversation with syria was really stretching the limits of belief for

0:23:22anybody who actually use Siri especially when he's tried to Syrian but again they

0:23:27do they weren't having those those celebrities as as they were just dating

0:23:33commercials they weren't the brand ambassador or you know like on stage at

0:23:38events I think that's slightly less less bad brand ambassador thing and then and

0:23:44then and then the even worse part is director of creative right like Alicia

0:23:49Keys right let's just like a few million dollars on fire

0:23:56it doesn't even make any sense that I mean that's the thing you know listen

0:24:01she one of the ones to where it was like she unannounced as their director of

0:24:05creativity as though she had like a serious like executive job like the

0:24:10title showing up every day and move moving up to it

0:24:14to Canada and then you know wasn't she one of the ones who somebody got caught

0:24:18I try not to link to these things because it's it's a little bit you know

0:24:23that she tweeted something in it and the metadata was like Twitter for high from

0:24:26it was yeah yeah

0:24:28who believes that like I just can't imagine the meeting where they're like

0:24:33let's have let's get somebody like Alicia Keys to be our creator of our

0:24:37director of creativity yeah like who is it that they think that actually makes a

0:24:43difference to like most people are never gonna hear about the news no you know

0:24:47even BlackBerry customers are never gonna see anything that says Alicia Keys

0:24:51is the name that director of creativity but even those who do hear it

0:24:56who actually would think that's a great idea somebody who's never designed a

0:25:01cell phone or any kind of understanding of software or consumer electronics is

0:25:07now the director of creativity for this brand that's great to see if there's a

0:25:12whole collection to be made of really stupid business ideas like bed and the

0:25:17other thing that always just baffles me is Wall Street analyst for forums and I

0:25:23know they do this deliberately to get headlines about their firm just like

0:25:27saying crazy stuff about Apple shipped Chaudhry is a pretty good example of

0:25:34that I mean the guy who actually has like an $800 target on Apple and yet he

0:25:38says the company is gonna go out of business if they don't ship and I

0:25:40watched two months I think we're down by fifty days now and if if nobody's made a

0:25:47trip Chowdhry cock then somebody should get on that immediately was about 10

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0:28:46with you think died I think I think it goes unremarked upon and know that

0:28:50there's san Francisco is almost like the epicenter of of a lot of controversies

0:28:57this year in terms of like this income inequality and the buses they're taking

0:29:05train people who you know to Google and Apple and stuff like that and I can

0:29:11totally see I i mean if anybody has ever been to like the actual valley where

0:29:17Apple's campuses I've never been to Mountain View so I know exactly what

0:29:22Google's campuses like but that whole area I can totally see especially if

0:29:26you're young you know before either but before you get why you'd want to live in

0:29:32San Francisco rather than live anywhere down there but san Francisco has a weird

0:29:39city I wouldn't want i i wouldn't want to live there

0:29:41yeah I wouldn't either I mean I like living in this city city personally we

0:29:48live close enough I can I could walk to downtown from here if I really wanted to

0:29:55kind of a long walk but

0:29:57so it's nice it's nice being close to something but yeah that's that's too

0:30:02much for me and they and they have a you know they have a lot of home once they

0:30:06have also both it so they have a lot of hummus and they have a lot of like

0:30:12managers yeah and I you know I like going there and for like two three days

0:30:21and then getting how it I've always loved the food is awesome it is a

0:30:27totally true so that's the great thing is like I always get some really good

0:30:32meals right and all different kinds of stuff to his great yeah we got Thai food

0:30:37they've got some people are on the rise of this but they've got some good pizza

0:30:43places to its new I think yeah like guys and they're mostly like people that have

0:30:49come from other places where did you go to that place with Paul the one yeah

0:30:56it's in the garage

0:30:57wouldn't go this time but yeah but we went to the name of that place I forget

0:31:04the name of the place but it's a guy who came from New York and he they make the

0:31:10deal in the morning and go to bed in the ICU they asked how many pizzas you're

0:31:19going right now but i wanna yeah we're not pizza Apple Apple Apple Etana it's

0:31:30amazing it's really cool he's in he's better in the attic they had a kid and

0:31:35so he's back there with his wife and the kid was honest was in a stroller and he

0:31:41just like he's making pizzas one is like pushing the stroller with the back and

0:31:45forth the other hand

0:31:46so I guess baby was back there I forget who went to the guy first I might have

0:31:51caused us to sort of pizza and adding an amateur you know what it was like in New

0:32:02York this guy and he had like he had like a very expensive brick oven and he

0:32:09hated it didn't wasn't making the pies rape and so he liked had like smash out

0:32:15the back of the building and take it out and he like went to Italy or Sicily

0:32:21unaware he went somewhere over there and and just kept looking and looking into

0:32:25he found it an oven anyone it and had it like shipped over to him in Brooklyn and

0:32:29had it like put in the back of the building and then sealed the building

0:32:32back up and then he decided to screw this I'm moving to San Francisco but he

0:32:35took his oven with them and yet I think you know I'm pretty sure taking a break

0:32:40of expensive and it's like like his you know a sort of like his TARDIS or

0:32:49something you know like he's got this amazing trick out with them right and

0:32:54then I think it was probably week Paul who like convinced me to go and we when

0:33:00they open at 5 there's like no reservations it's open at 5 they served

0:33:05to the two they run out of Dell and we got there are five and it was all it was

0:33:10was a closed garage there's no sign or anything like this cannot be the place

0:33:14and then like 501 the garage door goes up inside there's a there's a restaurant

0:33:18was also the place right hand in that kept or so we get there we get the cab

0:33:29and I just you know I'm not even like looking I just because he was in the

0:33:34back and I was in the front and I just go to the slammed the car door and he

0:33:39went into two he was paying the cab be back in a put his hand around the gym

0:33:48you are a dozen years you haven't responded by now I haven't noticed any

0:33:56adverse effects now audio hijacks to work so yeah anything else from

0:34:02migrating any little any other little

0:34:06was so good how's it busy Mac oh yeah they came out with a with a busy

0:34:14contacts right which is pretty cool you know that announcement and if you don't

0:34:21like Apple's context which was might be understandable

0:34:26busy Cal busy couches right good to ya so that was good there if you think a

0:34:35few things that I so that we can also trigger which is this it's like a handle

0:34:40of a gun that you put your iPhone on to take pictures with but they also a

0:34:48Bluetooth device that lets you connect so you can use the buttons on the handle

0:34:54to the iPhone sits on the top but they also have an epi like it directly

0:35:01somebody could make like a first-person shooter or something which would be kind

0:35:04of weird actually looks like a gun ok I mean I don't think anybody has yet and

0:35:12it's still a hundred still $100 so it's still faces the same problem at the

0:35:18controllers that people have made for iOS face that they're they're kinda too

0:35:22expensive and you know you just bought an iPhone you don't wanna run out and

0:35:26buy another $100 device and the prices have come down a little bit since since

0:35:31it first came out but they're not all out of box now but still they're still

0:35:34bucks for a 140 Xbox or Wii 24 bucks spend $80 that's pretty cool idea that

0:35:46show for it to to use it as a camera do you have to use like a third party app

0:35:51take the pictures or is there some way that is there like an API that you could

0:35:55you think it's I think it's their app

0:35:57yeah I think he used their yeah I didn't think that there is a way to get the

0:36:01bill tend to do it and I bought a couple little things that but just like a

0:36:12Bluetooth waterproof speaker for the shower in the shower and and then I got

0:36:24no I just know yet if you haven't yet I did shower I just didn't you forgot the

0:36:34speaker it's a whole gotta get into the groove change it's a process change ok

0:36:40process and there was this like off way up to the corner there was this booth

0:36:48with all these these

0:36:53Japan and they had and they had a bunch of different stuff and I finally figured

0:37:04I feel that after the fact I thought it was like one company but I guess this is

0:37:07like an import company that was sorting stuff from different vendors but they

0:37:12had these battery charges you like a portable battery thing they were better

0:37:17price than some of the other ones that had seen in other booze and and it was

0:37:23this it's the site for my son

0:37:26it's a Japanese manga character called Dan member but it's the company's name

0:37:39is cheer oh ok look it up and I i think they've just license this this damn

0:37:47bored and it looks like this card little cardboard guy and so it's the cardboard

0:37:51guys head and you play if it's a box and plug it in and it charges something that

0:37:56you can charge your iPad or your iPhone was it and when when it runs starts

0:38:02running down his eyes blink red like he's angry so it's got a call and it was

0:38:07it was better price than some of the other ones and at the same boosts which

0:38:13I at first thought was also chair of somebody else they had these aluminum is

0:38:19milled aluminum iPhone bumpers and an impressive guy and me hold it as they

0:38:28were also like a hundred and twenty bucks I had me hold it and it was really

0:38:33really good and it's all in one piece of one piece of aluminum like looking for a

0:38:41really fine bumper for your iPhone those will be in pretty good but i cant

0:38:45remember name of the company that actually makes I didn't get the name of

0:38:48the company it's an aluminum bumper for the iPhone its aluminum bumper yeah I

0:38:54don't know when that scratch it all up when you put it in or is it like rubber

0:38:57now it's gone now it's going to insights and and I texted the dam breaks from

0:39:05Macworld about it was like oh yeah i think is really nice because I think he

0:39:08got 14 as a as a freebie for review

0:39:12you never something like that so I have got the churro thing here in the shower

0:39:16get to share the same person on there so the company is that it was the same

0:39:21company now it's not it's it's lost all their Japanese raw Japanese rise was

0:39:27through that food was sold during import company gotcha and in the import company

0:39:34their their their receipt is just like america support

0:39:43their names their name is settling targeted towards the Japanese side of

0:39:48things rather than the people there something to this is super powerful

0:39:52charger its 10,000

0:39:55games yeah I got the sixth I get the 6001 but yeah but there's another they

0:40:01had all different sizes yeah it's kind of funny like the one you had before was

0:40:09was much less powerful and also just look like a like a black tube yeah I

0:40:14like buying the just a little power brick type Chargers even heard of a pain

0:40:19in the ass you have to bring a cable and its extra pain in the ass you have to

0:40:24have a second cable to charge the charger because to me it but they all

0:40:28use the same and I gotta now I've got a bunch of devices that use the USB mini

0:40:33adapter anyway so I just take one right USB mini in your suitcase but then you

0:40:38can charge anything with it you can charge an iPad with it you can charge

0:40:41you know if you have like you know like somebody else in your family or kidder

0:40:48wife has an older iPhone

0:40:50you know when you have the case you've only got like two years of iPhones that

0:40:54fit and then it's no doubt you can use it for anything you can use forever

0:41:01early and then the other woman video so it seems like the the Thunder like last

0:41:09year Thunderbolt stuff was still kind of his father was a que te it seemed like a

0:41:20thunderbolt stuff this year was a little bit more mature a little bit more to see

0:41:25and they have ever raid Thunderbolt devices 256 gigabytes flash based

0:41:35tickets flash-based drive for like

0:41:42hundred bucks call ya so that seems like one of the things you notice this year

0:41:48though is that under boulders sort of yeah it seemed like there was a little

0:41:51bit more maturity in the Thunderbolt offerings there this year

0:41:54remember last year there was almost nothing yeah I called the drives for

0:41:58still USB Firewire rain right by wires going out right i mean it's like yeah

0:42:05there's nothing I mean I think I don't think you can buy a computer with

0:42:10Thunderbolt or Firewire anymore they still have the wrong man

0:42:16yeah i think im still have our one eight hundred the minis due to my sister in

0:42:33law just was shopping for a new MacBook and was shocked that that like the heirs

0:42:40and the new MacBook Pros don't come with a disk drive from movies which is funny

0:42:50because to me that such old news like I'm Way past it but you know I guess

0:42:53she's still expected like that you know she has DVDs at home the chicken watch

0:42:58DVDs was like wow that's put a flop Ian yeah I still really still do but now

0:43:08that's just not really something I mean that much anymore

0:43:14anything else was from the show car mount thing but it's just like when a

0:43:22magnetic things you put a thing on your dashboard need something else here

0:43:28iPhone case because another ticket from just slap it on there when you get in

0:43:35the car

0:43:36cloak was the other thing I thought was gonna call which is the PPN Nov yeah

0:43:48yeah so it's in its Fourier description of its like their it w yes so you can

0:44:01set up you can set up which networks you trust and then when you get into a

0:44:08network that you don't trust it'll create a VPN for you so that you can

0:44:14still connect to the internet without being without using their without using

0:44:21their sister wifi openly gotcha gotcha yeah it's pretty cool yeah you see their

0:44:26websites at WWW dot get cloak dot com closed bpm I'm also looking here at the

0:44:34the current iMac tech specs and the ports on the back are there is no

0:44:39firewire its own the sd-card slot for USB 3 ports to thunderbolts and 10

0:44:49Gigabit Ethernet so now you can you buy like a new iMac today do not get fire so

0:44:56I will collect my being right point from you and I really should do more like

0:45:06Siracusa do some corrections up front cuz I like I've got a lot of compliments

0:45:13you know people are saying that the show's going well they're really

0:45:15enjoying it lately but anytime I have a terrible record last couple of months of

0:45:20any time that I i offer any fact without having any actual documentation wrong in

0:45:28some way there still is still a firewire 800 port in the mini

0:45:33that's because the mini hasn't been updated and yeah yeah probably gonna

0:45:38probably go with the next which will be where's the MacRumors buying they always

0:45:47MacRumors buying guide you know why I don't even see words listen there it is

0:45:57don't haha yeah they're sicker she held it is right now it's five hundred and

0:46:04twenty three days old crazy wow because you used any used to be the good rule of

0:46:11thumb was like wait six months don't mean if you're under six months you

0:46:16could probably go ahead and buy but it gets over six months and a week has six

0:46:23to nine months to get updated but that's clearly saw the last couple last couple

0:46:29of provisions of the Mac Mini the one before that was around 461 days and the

0:46:34one before that was four hundred days so they don't have dated that frequently

0:46:40yeah but now at 523 days seems like that's a long time every once in awhile

0:46:47people who I always just send them to the MacRumors buyers guide cuz I'm no

0:46:52expert but people you know they will you write down fireball you must know when I

0:46:56should buy a computer and I'm terrible at that I really AM I i'm i buy so yeah

0:47:01I was the worst by 12 weeks before the news came out right either if you need

0:47:06one right now just buy one and if you know if it gets

0:47:09obsoleted in the next couple of weeks well that's you know that's life if you

0:47:13can wait wait to a new one comes out and buy it as soon as it comes out is what I

0:47:19always say if you're the type of person is bothered by you know that every once

0:47:23in awhile it's like if they change the configuration of the form factor in a

0:47:29massive way I was thinking maybe it's not good to get the first version of

0:47:33that yeah that's it that's reasonable advice to especially with stuff there

0:47:40was a lot of issues with the first couple of months worth of the retina

0:47:45MacBook Pros where people were getting you know

0:47:48and you can you go to forget how you go but you could check your serial number

0:47:53and you know whether you had a screen from sharp from Samsung or something

0:47:57like that and it was like all the screens from sharper showing like had

0:48:01like image retention problems or something

0:48:03yeah and that's the sort of thing that if you if the Kings get worked out

0:48:07eventually but it may actually be worth it to buy like six months after comes

0:48:11out instead of immediately after comes out

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0:50:33well I wasn't gonna talk baseball season starts this week though

0:50:43yeah I was gonna talk baseball was there was a San Francisco Giants exposition

0:50:48game on home games Friday where there you go I did not read some of people

0:50:55talking about going but then we ended up deciding to just did Paul tell you the

0:51:00story about the yeah well I was there a time we with us we have with us yeah

0:51:06yeah

0:51:07Paul hates that story I feel like he loves to tell if he does but I feel like

0:51:11he's the guy like for most of us it's like and mention the luck and with Paul

0:51:16it it's it's the white whale these chasing rest of his life long story

0:51:22short it was a date was WWDC I think it had to be two years ago and our friend

0:51:28Jason's now editorial director at at Macworld they had a little

0:51:345 o'clock meet and greet like a friends of Macworld

0:51:38a party it was like a cocktail reception yeah

0:51:43reception it was very nice rooftop of Macworld building beautiful scenario

0:51:49but they had a lot of work to do I guess because of you know WBC week and there's

0:51:55all sorts of editorial content Snell had a couple of tickets to the Giants game

0:52:00he couldn't use him and he was trying to give them away

0:52:03Paul and I thought about taking them in fact Paul even had the minute hand and

0:52:08we're gonna go to the game and I decided not to go because my wife didn't want to

0:52:12go in my wife was there and I thought you know I don't want it you know I came

0:52:16out here with her to quit her asked if I don't go the ball game go wherever she's

0:52:20going and then I don't know Paul I don't he couldn't find anywhere else to go

0:52:22with them but we are like giving back to Jason we went to dinner at get the name

0:52:28of the place trips something to keep tape Mexican place and was good too and

0:52:36and the guys at the bar really really rather the game was on and they were

0:52:40really rowdy and it didn't make any sense because the Giants were up like 30

0:52:45min and then I caught a fly ball and the bar went nuts and I just look deposit is

0:52:50no way that catching a flyball makes the bargain that unless we both look at each

0:52:55other so no hitter and then we immediately over and ends up it was a

0:53:00perfect game right it was a perfect well yeah we have been we went someplace else

0:53:05and we walked down the street with every bar that we were passing ducking into it

0:53:10because it was on TV screens are pretty much across town right Matt Cain pitched

0:53:16a perfect game we had tickets in hand right and then the next day pawn I went

0:53:24to do we had lunch with some of her friends who work on the MLB app MLB at

0:53:29bat up and we started we're like you know we were talking the perfect game

0:53:36when we had tickets in hand and Emma because I we were there

0:53:41course they were right they just get there they have a cool deal where they

0:53:47can pretty much just walk there is a good entrance you know like some kind of

0:53:50VIP entrance and they've got like a badge and they can just any time there

0:53:54town they can just walk into a building just kind of the same man that's the

0:53:58thing to do is to you know get into the thing that you like and I think about

0:54:03this and that's a perfect example another example for me is like the

0:54:08people who work on comiXology which is the Comics app you know it's like you

0:54:13you know how to code you know the design and make yourself a comic selling Apple

0:54:19it becomes a huge head that is actually the backend 44 both of marble in DC's

0:54:24own apps to save its just a rebranding of the comiXology app and then and I

0:54:31just wrote an article for the magazine about these guys are doing minecraft

0:54:36YouTube videos I saw that on your website was gonna talk about it

0:54:40yeah so there's all these my my son's been playing Minecraft for more than a

0:54:48little more than a year and a half away now and I think he's 10 alright same age

0:54:53as Jonas yeah and pretty soon they some benefits just if there's some sort of

0:54:59noise that goes out that adults can't hear how the kids find out about going

0:55:05to YouTube I guess they start searching google to Frank figure out different

0:55:08things to do in Minecraft and they come up and almost all the stuff is done is

0:55:12done in youtube videos which originally just drove me absolutely deserve because

0:55:16every time I was trying to help them with something I want something that was

0:55:18just texting you know page that would tell me what to do right but they're all

0:55:24YouTube videos so you have to watch a youtube video to figure out how to do

0:55:27this stuff but the people that make these because of the the incredible

0:55:34success of Minecraft people who have made you make these videos a lot of

0:55:37these people have done incredibly well as well and some of them are just like

0:55:40videos of these guys playing the game right and just having a good time and

0:55:45this one guy

0:55:47joseph garrett whose lives in the UK is has to be just past two million

0:55:54subscribers on YouTube and has over 800 million views of his videos isn't he the

0:56:02guy who goes by like a champion stand me right now I remember reading about him

0:56:07somewhere and I just said hey join us if you've heard of this guy stamping and

0:56:11any yeah you know stamp stamping he and as I said have you ever heard of this

0:56:17guy President Barack Obama campaign is pretty good and he so the Daily Mail

0:56:30trying to figure out how much the sky was making because Google pays you like

0:56:34you can make like something like seven dollars that's like an average for $7

0:56:41per thousand views and you know 800 million views that starts adding up to

0:56:48the Daily Mail's try to figure out what was making they think he makes between

0:56:52something like eighty thousand eight hundred thousand dollars a month

0:56:56somewhere awesome grosses grosses that and then Google takes like half of it

0:57:01and then he works with a network that does promotion and stuff like that may

0:57:05take a cut too so he's not pollen that much but his channel could be grossing

0:57:10anywhere between 80,000 them and 800,000 month at the high end of that even if

0:57:16even if he's only to keep in a quarter of it I mean really really good money

0:57:21yeah yeah so and he's not the i mean there's there's a relatively small list

0:57:27of people who are at the top of that game but they're all they're all doing

0:57:32pretty well it is but it's and it's amazing phenomenon and it really is it's

0:57:39inevitable as we rocket towards old age that there's going to be something that

0:57:43the damn kids are into that right just don't get it right it's you know like

0:57:49Steve Allen

0:57:50on the Tonight Show of rock and roll lyrics right and it's like i don't want

0:57:55to be that guy don't want to be Steve Allen making fun of the rock and roll

0:57:58lyrics I wanna keep an open mind I don't think I'm ever gonna watch these videos

0:58:02myself but I do want to keep an open mind that thing that gets me with Jonas

0:58:06is two things that get me is one you'll watch the videos while he's playing

0:58:11right so he's got minecraft running on his MacBook and he's playing while he's

0:58:20watching videos on either an iPad or his iPhone yeah and he's doing exactly the

0:58:27same thing and he he

0:58:30a lot of times you just put one year but in and then sometimes he just breaks out

0:58:38in the most riotous laughter I mean just like nothing else ever makes him laugh

0:58:44like that however it is and it makes me jealous it's the type of laughter where

0:58:49it's like I need to know what's that funny and and I watched I so I said yes

0:58:55I never watch one of them through myself I just shoulder and I i watch when these

0:59:02ones were just like it was standing in a couple of his friends and they're

0:59:05playing this like hunger games online games version of Minecraft where you go

0:59:10around and eventually the goal is basically to kill everybody else and and

0:59:17its sensitivity of his friends and then all these other people that they don't

0:59:20know and you know and like The Hunger Games they worked together as a pack for

0:59:26a while and then it gets down to the end of their to kill

0:59:30it was just a minute and it was weirdly kind of infectious me just like because

0:59:36they're having such a good time just watching them by you know by the time I

0:59:39felt I thought maybe I like how alternative after a few minutes but it

0:59:42was like 20 minutes to happen or how much the whole thing I am gone back to

0:59:47watch any month since then but still it's like it's kind of it is kind of

0:59:51enjoyable just watching somebody have a good time and that's what I guess that's

0:59:55what it's about

0:59:56have you seen the guy forget his name but he's a guy who is every day he plays

1:00:05minecraft a record and he narrates he just talks into a microphone and he's

1:00:10trying to get to the end of the world

1:00:13oh yeah yeah I didn't mention I forgot I had forgot to mention him but yeah he's

1:00:19just so there's a upper limit to how big a world minecraft can make but it's huge

1:00:27right and he's been my first came out it was just like a square the world was

1:00:33just asked where he went to the edge against fall off the edge right and then

1:00:37they quickly increase that and now it's something like where he's going to have

1:00:40to do this for like twenty two years but there's also like a bug where it like

1:00:48increasingly like the further egos is going to be more yeah and his his his

1:00:58avatar in the game has like a wolf who follows him around he's like a pet dog

1:01:04and I don't know and it's just fascinating and so that's what he does

1:01:12is every day hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours of him just heading

1:01:17yeah just going in the same direction and just talking you know about random

1:01:23stuff and you know it when the game gets interesting when he's like attacked or

1:01:28something like that you know it will narrate his his action and he's got tens

1:01:33and maybe even million followers he probably does it's probably gonna be in

1:01:38the millions by now cuz he's been he's been featured a few things

1:01:41yeah so it to me it speaks to two things it's it's this and you know the link to

1:01:50your attention mining article thing I think it's well worth reading but to me

1:01:54it's this intersection of a Minecraft which is genuine phenomenon and and I

1:01:59think I think it's unbelievable game I don't play it but I've I know enough

1:02:03from watching Jonas and I played a lot with Hank will will I got a server we

1:02:08run home and so on and so on the server and it's fun it's but it's more than you

1:02:17know because you actually do build things get really creative it really is

1:02:22it's not just you know like when we were kids and be like my mom buy me a

1:02:27computer all you know how useful learning you know yeah and the other day

1:02:32we learning learning how to memorize the maps and barged yeah she's him the other

1:02:39day he had in this was all these modifications that you can stall and he

1:02:46had read about this one probably have not read about it and she had seen the

1:02:49video so he got he got the modern install them on himself so that's the

1:02:53other thing is learning about like how to install all this stuff and learning

1:02:56about the back end and where it what goes where and so he knows how to do all

1:03:01the stuff in the Finder and Gina like I don't think he they've changed it since

1:03:05last year or so so that you still have to unpack jar files and then move files

1:03:11in and then read compress the jar file and black and I think it's much less

1:03:16difficult than that now cuz they changed the infrastructure a little bit yeah but

1:03:20it's a job which is ridiculous and have you told me that it be playing a java

1:03:24game never would have believed you but he got this one that he that allowed you

1:03:31to put a passcode on your door of your house and that's one of the things that

1:03:35you do is you build a house to protect yourself from like monsters and stuff

1:03:38and and and he wanted to put this thing where you put a passcode on the house

1:03:43and

1:03:44and I went to the way the website that had the instructions for the mod and I

1:03:49and it's like it's a little programs you get you build a computer in Minecraft

1:03:54using different parts and then you put the computer in the wall of your house

1:03:58and connected with this line to the door and then you had to type in a cozy at a

1:04:04table or program to basically tell the door open and close and what the

1:04:10password is and so i sat down with him and we worked together to type this

1:04:14little program in and and then he you know he quickly learned how to change

1:04:20the password the password was in the in the little quotes and then how to change

1:04:27the timer setting for how long the door was open so he's been shut down for a

1:04:32little while show them how to do that and then he spent like another hour so

1:04:37just like playing with the same with the different parameters and stuff but he's

1:04:40actually learning the basic ODI series in this game is actually writing a

1:04:43program and believable than any other aspect is the U-two bank which is the

1:04:51way that you too I mean we all watched YouTube videos but the way kids use it

1:04:58is so different and so much more pervasive like it it's effectively their

1:05:05TV and I you know I know that sounds trite but in a way that when I was 10

1:05:12years old I watched as much TV as I can get away with it was just what we did

1:05:17right i mean just try to come home from school and if you could you do your

1:05:21parents that you turn on the TV and just watch whatever was just keep swimming

1:05:26swimming around the channels into you found the most interesting thing you

1:05:31could find which even if it wasn't interesting I'd watch sure you have

1:05:36something on my wall street I watched like I know through a guarantee I have

1:05:43seen every episode of The Brady Bunch at least three times because I have one

1:05:48piano on point it was like four o'clock the best thing that was on TV was brady

1:05:51bunch reruns

1:05:52it was a horrible show I knew it was a horrible show I don't think I ever once

1:05:56genuinely laughed at a single gang but I watched anyway because it was on and I

1:06:03feel like for kids today it's you know they didn't he would never waste time

1:06:07Johnson never waste time just watching some stupid because he could be watching

1:06:10a YouTube video on YouTube that he finds fascinating yeah but it's also been like

1:06:20a gateway to a whole bunch of other YouTube videos that are absolute crap

1:06:26that they find candidate by hysterical when some of it's kind of funny is that

1:06:32one guy who does the the drive-thru pranks like he's a magician he does some

1:06:40good she does some cool tricks or go up to like this

1:06:42almost always is just like pumping some fast food place and it goes up in any

1:06:47luck order something and then he'll have like 3 $1 bills for $53 here and they go

1:06:58hang on a second and it just like lifts up the $3 bills and likes Maxim back

1:07:04down on his hand later notified and the reactions the ads like the reactions

1:07:09from the clerks at the McDonalds or whatever his heroes the best part come

1:07:17over here watch this and that he does the thing with the drive to like you'll

1:07:22see covers himself up he built a fake car seat reclines carsey and lies down

1:07:28and puts the fake car seat there and drives the car you order something and

1:07:34then there's nobody in the car and the car pulls up some of their summer better

1:07:39than the other ones with some of them are pretty funny so and it it it's also

1:07:43a sign that youtube is and i cant I am i guess im late to the game on this but

1:07:48it's a real business for people clearly it is right but it's there's a lot of

1:07:55work he was a year ago and minimum wage and just and then and it didn't really

1:08:02take off immediately

1:08:04it took them

1:08:05a long time this other guy Daniel militant Middleton diamond mine cart of

1:08:11Minecraft he had another channel where he did Pokemon videos and he had that

1:08:18for like three years and you know ended up with like 10,000 followers or

1:08:23something like that I think I have the right guy right anyway one of the guys

1:08:26and then suddenly switch to switch to Minecraft and now he's up to a million

1:08:32and a half or more and wondering does Google when they announced their I don't

1:08:38think that they do but I wonder if when they announced their quarterly revenue

1:08:42for the day to day break YouTube apart yeah and if not it would be interesting

1:08:47to me to know like is it is obviously for a lot of these people who are making

1:08:52these videos it meaningful income that there is I guess not just a fluke it's

1:08:58for a lot of people taken it can be like there that's their job is making YouTube

1:09:03shows and that the ads pay you know a living wage or more but in the aggregate

1:09:09does Google's cutter that turn out to be significant to Google I think it

1:09:15probably does I think it you know you have to start thinking about you too as

1:09:20not just being successful in terms of aggregate eyeballs but that it's

1:09:25actually a successful acquisition financially

1:09:28did make a lot of sense to me at the time cuz I just thought what how can

1:09:32they make money you know the bandwidth costs but you know I think it's actually

1:09:38turned into a real thing it would be interesting it nobody its heart is so

1:09:42hard to track that you don't have a good sense of where all the money is going

1:09:48because it you know Mark arrived at peace now we could go about how he was

1:09:52just basically giving up on ads right it's as safe as it just wasn't worth the

1:09:57trouble for many morning wasn't getting up money but I mean wasn't getting that

1:10:01much money

1:10:01and it does seem like I've heard that I've heard that other places as well

1:10:07that website advertising is becoming is drying up a little bit but podcast

1:10:14advertising is like a boomtown there right now and then search seems YouTube

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1:12:54prescription glasses I do but I almost never wear them I wear contact lenses

1:13:01yeah that's what I i wear contact lenses and I gotta go

1:13:05practically blind without them but I bought five so the last hour glasses

1:13:11about was like fifteen years ago and they were like over $1000 they realize

1:13:18they were fashionable they're really nice the really good glasses but they

1:13:21were really expensive terrible I definitely the next time I'm gonna go

1:13:28absolutely yeah I know I forget how long how old my current glasses are but

1:13:33they're pretty old I don't think they're quite ten years old but it's probably

1:13:36close probably 8 years old and I know that I paid over $600 and and that's

1:13:43knowing I bought them knowing that I don't wear glasses usually it's you know

1:13:48from sick or something you know I'm flying sometimes I won't put my contacts

1:13:52in because it's a I prefer not to sleep in context of gonna try to sleep on the

1:13:57plane I just want my glasses stuff like that but I don't know and I wouldn't say

1:14:01I don't care what they look like but i dont wanna spend 60 bucks on you know

1:14:06but at least back then it was and I think that's one of things but they all

1:14:13come with the coding

1:14:14yeah now it's no upsell on any of that stuff get the anti reflective lenses

1:14:20when you go to a night when I went it was such a total of upsells scam it was

1:14:24like right here right it was like the the regular lenses are made out of the

1:14:30material they made that the first iPod Nano out of your finger now I get you

1:14:35don't want these lenses there they're made out of like a puppy and it's like

1:14:41no I guess I don't want those lenses and early you want these lenses there

1:14:44they've actually gotten it you know

1:14:46scratch proof in the clear proof and cost $300 years long long time ago I had

1:14:54found a pair in my grandfather's house I found a pair of my dads or glasses from

1:15:00when he was like in high school

1:15:02oh yeah yeah and I took the frames and had those for a while this was really

1:15:08cool but then eventually they brokers from the forties right

1:15:14used to be the you know the classes are actually of course glass and it was

1:15:18found like an old pair of glasses like that they were incredibly heavy yeah

1:15:22it's not just a you can get glasses sunglasses if you don't have

1:15:26prescription lenses and they're not they're they're heavier than plastic

1:15:29lenses but they're not super heavy because they're they're not prescription

1:15:33but the prescription make some thicker and yeah I can enter time I did they had

1:15:37had have glass put into those because they were too small for my prescription

1:15:42was so bad I guess they hadn't invented like the super thin i mean they hadn't

1:15:46the technology with the plastic wasn't good enough to actually make the Glens

1:15:52it's small enough to put in those old frame so that these class like and

1:15:56that's you know like a cliché that somebody has coke coke bottle but yeah I

1:16:01think my ambitions probably bad enough or if I'd been around forty years ago

1:16:05fifty years ago I would have liked

1:16:11terrible what else is going on we got to the Microsoft Office came out this week

1:16:18for the iPad yeah which is a pretty big news as it should have remembered but

1:16:24somebody said that they've traded they've decided to give up on world

1:16:29domination and settle for relevance which are a little little harsh but it's

1:16:36sort of true I think you know cause I think try and dominate in a different

1:16:41way really and you're not you're done you're trying to dominate with your with

1:16:45your apps rather than trying to dominate with your operating system cuz it's

1:16:51really the you know that's I guess the big question is why did it take so long

1:16:54and I think that the best explanation I think it's probably more complicated if

1:17:00you know I'm sure that instead internal to Microsoft it's a long long story but

1:17:04I think you know you could probably sums it up is Steve Ballmer didn't want to

1:17:10have office on the iPad because he didn't want to give the iPad anymore

1:17:14credence in the business world they had a mean he assumed it was him for the

1:17:23most part of that whole marketing scheme of making everything Windows is just

1:17:29dumb it was awful

1:17:35dot com waffled that would test out net send a link I actually do shoulders and

1:17:45then the other thing actually not sure if this actually happened but Mary Jo

1:17:49Foley was had heard that they're gonna change Windows Azure Microsoft Azure

1:17:56that make sense to me

1:17:59ya next batter sense that is going to if it's true it would be announced next

1:18:03week at my bill yeah you know it's actually funny about that I tell you

1:18:08what's funny so I miss macworld yeah I know it's funny I'm actually going to be

1:18:14it at bill next week I will visit San Francisco and there is a very good

1:18:20chance

1:18:21that I'm going to have a sort of the talk show that I'll be hosting live from

1:18:27built but I think it's only going to be for build attendees so those of you

1:18:34listening and we're going to build I don't know how it's going to turn out

1:18:39cause I don't do i do you know anybody who's going to attend build listen to

1:18:44the talk show I don't know I've been told that it should be well-attended I'm

1:18:48kind of fearful that it's gonna be like three people in the audience but anybody

1:18:53who's listening right now to these words before ordering build I think on

1:18:59Thursday the date can be on Thursday Thursday the 3rd of April I believe I'm

1:19:06gonna have a live episode of the talk show from built in moscow and this is

1:19:12not an April Fool's Day Jess's not only I don't do it so stay tuned and listen I

1:19:20guess I'll post an enduring fire-bombed when I get the final and his friend

1:19:24gonna be with you

1:19:26branch should be with me now yeah it's prolly get you branch but yeah that's

1:19:35what I i I saw Mary Jo Foley is reporting that make sense to me that

1:19:38it's gonna they're gonna stop using this to me

1:19:42couldn't be more clearly a sort of look this was sort of bombers things that

1:19:46everything gets called windows where there is a need to do with windows and I

1:19:51think with Azure it's actually maybe the worst case of that ever because and you

1:19:56know and her explanation for it and it makes total sense to me is it actually

1:20:01puts the wrong message in developers mines where you're thinking well Windows

1:20:06Azure must be something for your windows for you know whether you're writing PC

1:20:10Windows or Windows Phone its some kind of cloud thing for Windows developers

1:20:15where it's really not it is absolutely could not be more platform agnostic it

1:20:22is just a way to run code in the cloud and you can you know program in whatever

1:20:28you want your not programming you don't

1:20:30using Windows programming languages unless you want to you know and but you

1:20:35could just use know . Jas or anything so called Microsoft Azure i think is a

1:20:44smart move

1:20:45yeah and it just seems like you have an apple I feel like that right with the

1:20:52iPhone 4 as it's not you know could set the Mac phone is something completely

1:20:58different and you also bring in people who might have had a negative

1:21:03connotation was your previous products

1:21:05yeah that's a that's a whole new it's a fresh start

1:21:08yeah it's a perfect analogy really that calling it calling it the Mac phone

1:21:13whether you think it's a good name or not but even this say that Mac phone but

1:21:17suffice it to say that hypothetically we all agree that it's a cool name in

1:21:21theory it would still have been a terrible idea I think marketing lies

1:21:25like you said it would have made it might have made people who have always

1:21:31thought model Mac is this weird computer that's not like my computer and I don't

1:21:35get it and it's not I think it's like god-like compatibility problems with

1:21:39with myself given a new name and let it be its own thing and it starts it's

1:21:45funny it's funny that they did that with the iPod they i mean because of the

1:21:48beginning it was really only it wasn't until later and famously you know as we

1:21:56now know in hindsight that Steve Jobs wanted to keep it back home right it

1:22:01wasn't like they had the idea or at least jobs denied the idea right from

1:22:05the start that they would eventually expand to Windows compatibility with the

1:22:11iPod it was but they still gave it its own name I think was smart yeah so it

1:22:17seems like there was maybe it was just like a general mindset in the industry

1:22:21in the early two thousands that had to push their platforms at the same time

1:22:26and got out of their minds that Microsoft is only now getting out of it

1:22:32now

1:22:33I'm super you know the couple reasons I'm going to build but I really do I

1:22:38just have like this sort of Sixth Sense like spidey sense that it's going to get

1:22:47the CEO change of Microsoft is a really big deal and I it's you know that we

1:22:54really are going to see exciting new stuff from Microsoft and thats

1:23:01truthfully you know for the first time since I've been doing this stuff during

1:23:07fireball in the talk show you know this the last ten years or so I am so much

1:23:12more interested in what Microsoft is up to them at any point that holier right

1:23:16and I was I've had a very big change in my my outlook just within the past six

1:23:23months because six months ago I was you know Apple stock AAPL stock does and

1:23:31Microsoft Microsoft stock was still inching up even though they effectively

1:23:36had no CEO and to me it was just

1:23:41and and it seemed like the coverage was just sorta like well we'll have to see

1:23:45you soon and give it a bit Apple without a CEO you wouldn't be able to move

1:23:52without being under the avalanche of negative stories that would have been

1:23:58out there and yet somehow it seemed like nobody believed was that bothered by the

1:24:04fact that Microsoft didn't have a national CEO so I I thought the outlook

1:24:09for the company was possibly extremely negative and the fact that they've

1:24:14picked up a pic to think it was as turned out pretty well so far anyway

1:24:18yeah I agree and I think that I get the feeling that build is going to be so

1:24:26jealous coming-out party I mean I could be wrong and it could be like the most

1:24:32boring keynote everywhere they don't have much new to announcing

1:24:36whatever but I kinda get the feeling like no I kind of feel like no this is a

1:24:42big deal

1:24:43yeah I feel like maybe they'll be allowed to talk about next week that's

1:24:46stuff that we don't even know yet because it's they've they're keeping it

1:24:50under a sleeping in her room and I know it's exciting though to mean that

1:24:55there's that they're sort of like a slumbering giant that's why I'm waiting

1:25:02for the first person to write this the story about how it's a bad sign that you

1:25:05didn't go to Macworld you're going to build yeah I hope nobody makes a big

1:25:11deal

1:25:11ideally I would have gone to both its just I had like the new dates from

1:25:16Macworld just didn't work out with a previous commitment family thing but if

1:25:20the airlines are still writing about Apple that would have been regular any

1:25:23wonder I don't know I would if I could have I would have gone to both its just

1:25:29so unusual coincidence but I do feel like it's it is sort of an interesting

1:25:33sign of the times though I don't know I think it's kind of interesting that I

1:25:36miss macworld I'm going to be built well if it would be more comfortable thing

1:25:45would be to EDC right rather than macworld right have you looked at the

1:25:52office for iPad apps I looked at them briefly I haven't paid for 360 yet and I

1:25:59don't really plan to do I did download them just to see what they look like and

1:26:04they look a little similar to what they did for the surface which i think was

1:26:09pretty good I was surprised I was surprised when the service came out that

1:26:14it was actually that much different than the desktop versions of the regular old

1:26:18desktop versions of Office yeah and it looks like I mean they look like they're

1:26:25fine they look like if i dont have don't have any need for them anymore

1:26:30yeah that's the thing is I don't use the word processor anymore

1:26:36yeah and I don't mean other than using it for yapping about this for a while

1:26:41but other than using them for business like if you work in an office that uses

1:26:45office then sure it makes sense because you might want to do some editing do

1:26:51some work on an iPad but I don't know if I was just a consumer I don't know why I

1:26:56would pay that much money you know people don't make people pretty printing

1:27:04out those newsletters anymore I don't know it's interesting so that the basic

1:27:09idea is it's the for app stores for apps that comprise office for iPad it's Word

1:27:16Excel PowerPoint and OneNote there are free downloads but as free download all

1:27:27they can do is read only and you can see if you save your documents to your

1:27:33you're the one drive I think that's another thing that they changed the name

1:27:37of wasn't include like Windows drivers yeah yeah now they just call it one

1:27:41drives wondering which is sorta like their Dropbox / iCloud sort of like a

1:27:46middle ground between iCloud in Dropbox you can read only and but it's it's as

1:27:53far as I can tell and I haven't seen anybody disputed it's it's really good

1:27:57fidelity it's not you know you know and I guess you run into issues with fonts

1:28:04and stuff like that just like you do with the iWork apps we're on your Mac

1:28:09you can handle these rights are never fun she want but if you stick to you

1:28:13know the Microsoft funds and it's like the apps have those funds and that it to

1:28:17the I don't forget all the names of the standard Modern Times New Roman

1:28:23but they got the ones the ones that I'll start with al-qaida the letter C

1:28:27thing but which makes it confusing but anyway if you stick to those fonts you

1:28:31know they open up and they work and it's you know that's interesting model that

1:28:37it's read only is completely free and 200 bucks for a subscription and then

1:28:44you can unlock the you know false

1:28:50to the professional there's a 360 professional thing wishes 10 bucks a

1:28:56month but then there's like a household what's the concern where the consumer is

1:29:05which is gonna be a little bit less per month I think and I don't know it's easy

1:29:10it'd be interesting to see how that works out for them

1:29:14tenant $10 a month for 360 home premium $7 for personal one thing I did notice

1:29:20is that when you sign into one with like your Microsoft account as soon as you

1:29:26sign into one of those apps you're signed in in all of them which is

1:29:30interesting

1:29:31sandbox wise and it has something to do with I'm sure it has something to do

1:29:38with the remember the thing couple months ago where when text expander

1:29:45stopped working with Iowa 7 yeah because they were using like forget what they

1:29:52were using but it was like a shared folder we talked about on the show

1:29:55yeah they're using something that was not exactly what it was designed

1:29:55yeah they're using something that was not exactly what it was designed

1:30:00you're right it was like shared clipboards or something like that and

1:30:03you it was it was what text expander wasn't the reason it got shut down but

1:30:07other less scrupulous things like ad networks were using it to track stuff

1:30:12across apso Apple closed it but the one thing that they left open was that apps

1:30:16from the same developer can use a shared clipboard and it must be how Microsoft

1:30:22is doing that we're in once you sign into live.com inward then when you open

1:30:26Excel you're already signed into the same account and you know I'm sure that

1:30:33there's other companies you know like I gyani group or something like that could

1:30:36probably maybe they do use it cuz they have a whole suite of applications but

1:30:42it's you know it it's just it's cool that it works but it just shows though

1:30:47that it's it's still kinda stinks that there's no way for apps from two

1:30:50different developers to to work together the way that Mac softwares ran always

1:30:55you know it's always been such a cool community where you know different

1:30:58developers can integrate with each other and you still can't do that on iOS but

1:31:03it's kind of quiet stuck out to me that the office apps have some kind of

1:31:07sharing functionality like that and you can you you can buy the subscription

1:31:14through the app yes that's interesting to me don't have to you know like all

1:31:20the enterprise licenses will not be bought through the app right they just

1:31:25put in one of the login and write so if you've already got a paid level of

1:31:29account when you sign into the app it's just the read for read-write

1:31:32functionality will be there for you but if you do buy it through the app it's in

1:31:38in this is apparently you know famously this leaked out in the press

1:31:41you know from year to year maybe even longer go that microsoft somehow didn't

1:31:46want to have to pay the 30 percent App Store revenue share but they're just you

1:31:53know they are now if you do the in-app purchase to sign up for it it's a

1:31:58regular in-app purchase just like any other developer Apple gets 30% of it

1:32:05which is why I wonder how much that's gonna come out to I don't know it looks

1:32:12like you know and it's hard to say that's right it looks that and it's you

1:32:17know because it one purchase your you don't have to buy word separately from

1:32:21Excel you buy a 365 subscription and if you have a active 365 subscription the

1:32:28apps are unlocked for readin writin all of them but they show up if you look at

1:32:35the best top grossing list for iPad they show up from which apt the purchase was

1:32:41made in so if you make the purchase

1:32:44inward it word gets the credit in the top and are all listed there all you

1:32:51know none of them are at the top of the top grossing but they're all you know

1:32:55last I checked I think word was like number four so it seems like in the

1:32:59aggregate it's not hasn't exactly set the App Store on fire but it seems you

1:33:03know seems pretty well received I think the true test will be though is it is it

1:33:09like a flash in the pan because there's so much pent-up demand from people

1:33:13who've been waiting for this or is it gonna stay in the top of the list for

1:33:17weeks and months to come

1:33:21how renewals work I guess who knows where the same way I think so you could

1:33:26renew on Microsoft's site and not pay the and map would not get that money or

1:33:33probably like a message pops up within the app that says you're running out of

1:33:37time you need to renew and if you do it through that they do

1:33:40yeah it's not even the prices in as far as office goes the price isn't too bad

1:33:46assuming the keep up with the updating of it because officer ridiculously

1:33:52expensive to begin with

1:33:53yeah i think is over there's a student license a hundred and ten bucks or

1:33:58something like that but other than that if we keep buying all those

1:34:01those absence still it's redic units several hundreds of dollars but you know

1:34:07again if you may be right if your school has wide license maybe there's some

1:34:14school you know some students who can just sign in and they've already gotten

1:34:18yeah it is it does seem it's a very different world than the old days when

1:34:24used to buy a box oh yeah right and it was crazy expensive but I guess I never

1:34:31bought word outside of a student license I don't think I did either you are or in

1:34:36then and then later I got it from where I worked so I'm interested I dunno and

1:34:43as a as a non-expert in any of those apps but just having download them and

1:34:48poked around they did they do feel like good iPad apps really good it doesn't

1:34:53feel like anything that startup screen was very messy yeah it didn't he didn't

1:34:58didn't start it up and say and this was you know for older users was a big deal

1:35:05back in the nineties when they went from word five towards six I think rate with

1:35:10a word was a originally Mac only you know couldn't specifically for the Mac

1:35:18and then they've tried to unify the code base with Mac with words six right and

1:35:24destroyed it was just like a memory hog it was slow trashy it was ugly was and

1:35:31people of State onward flight five 14 years until eventually they either want

1:35:38to something else or did ya hear some of the funds i'm looking at right now

1:35:43here's some of the Microsoft unskilled Colibri Cambria Pandora console us Const

1:35:52Tencha horrible I think that to me that this is nice I've used that I have that

1:36:02america's it's like they're monospace fine get it canceled US Consul

1:36:08but I think that they're naming scheme giving them all these these see names it

1:36:13confuses the hell out of me I can't immediately forget them all except

1:36:16consoles but anyway they're really seem like good apps I'm curious to see when

1:36:21the reviews

1:36:22you know from people who are a lot more serious about Office apps how they

1:36:26compare to obviously to Pages Numbers and Keynote in general a stripped-down

1:36:36versions of the regular office ABS they don't have everything that the regular

1:36:41office apps have but from what I've seen it seems like they're still more

1:36:45full-featured them Pages and Numbers I think cynics yeah I know I tell and

1:36:52pretty sure and I'm in Excel is just i don't i i really don't see any need for

1:36:58word at all but Excel is really like the defacto standard for spread shooting

1:37:07yeah but I also know I dunno and it's just you know I'm sure there's you know

1:37:12everybody out there listening to the show is gonna be like wow that's crazy

1:37:16or there's some of them who work in such companies in there like nodding her head

1:37:20where they're still like a culture and a lot of companies where when you email

1:37:24somebody it's like you don't put the message in the email you send word

1:37:27document CiteULike type thing you like a memo in a Word document and then you

1:37:33email the word document around I mean I know that that's you know like I said it

1:37:39ninety percent of the people listen into the shower like thats crazy and then

1:37:42there's a 10% like yeah that's my company i cant have it has to be better

1:37:49to do it you know that actually have word reading the document then pages

1:37:53even I think pages does a pretty good job with it but yeah and especially if

1:37:58you've got to do stuff you know and I looked and they have the stuff like

1:38:01change tracking and stuff like that

1:38:03actually the change tracking supposedly the change tracking and word is really

1:38:11like I could cut above other options

1:38:15yeah

1:38:16and it just seems like with these iPad apps like they haven't climbed on I

1:38:20gotta can't speak to how similar it is to the versions for the surface I've

1:38:25seen some people say it's pretty they're pretty similar but it really does seem

1:38:29it's you know they've not they haven't given like the the Mac and Windows out

1:38:34and just wrapped it in an iPad in here now use your fat finger seems like

1:38:38they've really taken an opportunity to rethink how these option work for for

1:38:44these two sort of devices and it seems like we clearly this there did they've

1:38:49been around for a while right

1:38:52sitting on a you know what rhymes well but it seems like it's been active yeah

1:38:59it's a mean there's been rumors that they've been ready to go are almost

1:39:02ready to go for a long time and that they were held up just by internal

1:39:05politics cough cough Steve Ballmer you know whatever negotiations they tried to

1:39:10do to get around 30 percent revenue share with them with Apple but I never

1:39:16even so you mean it seems like you can come to the conclusion that the idea was

1:39:22that he was just he was thinking that he would get them to to budge on the thirty

1:39:26percent of that was just say no

1:39:28get it right and my guess is that they probably tried to similar they know

1:39:32wanted to get an exception

1:39:33like the early days with the Kindle app where the Kenwood House like hey wanna

1:39:41go buy books hit this button takes you to Safari and then you're in Safari to

1:39:45buy your books at the Kindle Amazon's Kindle Store and you sign in with your

1:39:50account and then you go back to the Kindle app because you're signed into

1:39:53the account the new books show up and Apple is like no you can't put up button

1:39:57there which I still thinks it's sort of spite I feel like it would not I feel

1:40:03like it would not hurt outpolled to do that but you know it's easy to say when

1:40:07you're not the one who can close to 30 percent of them but I kinda get the

1:40:13feeling like long story short with Microsoft thought was well where

1:40:16Microsoft and why wouldn't they want office on the iPad just let us have a

1:40:21button that'll take them to you know microsoft.com where they'll give us a

1:40:25hundred percent of the money right and I think Apple is like no we really do

1:40:30we've got a rather have the 30% thanks yeah we would love to have office on the

1:40:36iPad but we will take the 30% chance funny it's funny how I mean they're

1:40:42basically the ones who pledged

1:40:44Microsoft gregg Keizer Computerworld

1:40:51della to cook on office revenue sharing drop dead which is exactly the opposite

1:40:56of what ended up happening is that have to do that and i know i think thats

1:41:08about it over the week right you anything else know how is your as your

1:41:13other podcast on ya turning this car and turning this car and i got I got it from

1:41:21behind a couple episodes I haven't been keeping up and I've been doing so do is

1:41:25really lousy parenting as always but I did loaded up just you know since you're

1:41:32gonna be on the show I loved it up you know your website see we did you know

1:41:35when writing and and they loaded up the the podcast show

1:41:39Kante wasn't ready to see Lex Friedman dressed up as nobody ever is really

1:41:45really disturbing and it's a knock-off well not even a real thats not branded

1:41:54I'm pretty sure that they you know much like the disney company the day they do

1:42:00not sell branded I I guess because it is leaving money on the table right there

1:42:06though no good can come of no you don't want a bunch of people running around

1:42:12and it's really are fine picture so if there's a place they take it up put the

1:42:18sign at the Instagram a long time gone sort of like a South Tacoma Way is as

1:42:26the neck ok so about Celtic come away but it's you know it's like car

1:42:29dealerships and dive bars and stuff like that but there's there's also like it

1:42:37like a dirty book store called elmo's puts not a sponsor no not really just a

1:42:55guy whose name is actually really wasn't ready for that saying turn it turn this

1:43:04car around and we now have the turning the scar on your else

1:43:07turning this car longer no longer just accidentally you can go to turning this

1:43:13car around a calm and go there that if you go there this week while the show

1:43:17right here this show is fresh and you'll see Lex Friedman dressed as Elmo and you

1:43:21probably need to talk to somebody or drink while john wants where are you

1:43:39guys got your very nice website is down as as well as up I just can't login so

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1:43:57what did you say before we got there we were talking about you logged in just

1:44:03came up with a white blank page lets me log in but then to show that you know

1:44:11it's a lot funnier because it's your website sure its historical from where

1:44:16you're sitting is alright have a good time in San Francisco CA I'm so remember

1:44:24everybody listens well something else you're probably not kidding are you

1:44:33certain places you don't drink the other stuff to the Fernet that's another

1:44:41drives me nuts

1:44:43Cisco Merlin I know and I Maryland man is a genuine human being and he is truly

1:44:53everybody out there knows who he is so not for sure yet if he says he likes it

1:44:58I know that he actually likes it but I know there can't possibly be true that

1:45:01most of the people drinking all that fine it actually like it kid is not as

1:45:06yet so that's something that runs out frequently about all my god it's like

1:45:10what I how can that possibly be like in Philadelphia I would guess that most

1:45:14bars have liked

1:45:15a thirty year old bottle of Fernet and once in a while some jackass from San

1:45:21Francisco comes in an order some of it I never even heard of the stuff until I

1:45:25went out there and you've got to San Francisco and that's all they drink

1:45:28stuff as well I think it's gross