0:00:00big week huge week we didn't record it
0:00:07was before we got her it was a huge week
0:00:10for most of the neutral hosts for the
0:00:12majority oh man at and we went on a
0:00:17vacation together and did not kill each
0:00:19other
0:00:19no this is good this was this is for
0:00:22both you and TIFF and I was our first
0:00:24couples vacation not only with each
0:00:27other but in general and I i think we
0:00:29survived and I know Aaron and I had
0:00:30really gosh darn good time and that and
0:00:32so I hope hope with the same can be said
0:00:34for you guys although I think we're
0:00:36about to find out the same can be said
0:00:37for you regardless of whether or not we
0:00:39were total turds
0:00:40so well in fact my wife as it has
0:00:43suggested that she misses you guys
0:00:45during breakfast every morning now see
0:00:47same thing you know we at least like you
0:00:49during breakfast now that was it though
0:00:51that was that was the only part every
0:00:53other time totally sucked i feel like i
0:00:55should have come just to show you what
0:00:57it would be like traveling with someone
0:00:58who does not make your time more fun
0:01:00you'll get a bad impression of you know
0:01:04like what it's like to all this is great
0:01:07couples vacations be going this all the
0:01:09time and you would have been in the
0:01:11middle seat which would have been even
0:01:12more funny because you wouldn't
0:01:13interpret that i would say for i lifted
0:01:17a tweet about this but it would have
0:01:19been so much more for me I can't be in I
0:01:23get motion sick very easily i can't be
0:01:25in a car while you're racing around like
0:01:26a maniac and well both of our lives both
0:01:30of our wives claim the same problem and
0:01:32yet it was a problem for neither of them
0:01:33when they were in the room where they
0:01:35were in the back seat belt if said that
0:01:37she was almost puked tweeting something
0:01:38once from the Nurburgring that's what
0:01:41I'm saying halloween everything ahead of
0:01:43ourselves that we get ahead of ourselves
0:01:44alright vomit ruins everything
0:01:49title I i tend to a groupie
0:01:52instead you've got a kid now you know
0:01:55then
0:01:57well okay so we should probably explain
0:01:59what what the heck we did and I don't
0:02:03know if we if we adequately preface this
0:02:05in previous episodes but we did we did
0:02:08previously talked about how I had chosen
0:02:10for my next car after much deliberation
0:02:13chosen to go all out and be totally
0:02:15ridiculous and get my dream car
0:02:18the m5 and one of the reasons i was able
0:02:22to do this is because of bmw's european
0:02:25delivery discount and what most people I
0:02:29i wish i had known about this so so
0:02:31there's two things that you can do to
0:02:33save money on a new BMW besides just
0:02:36good negotiation which you should also
0:02:38be doing one of them which i still
0:02:40couldn't take advantage of is if you
0:02:43join the BMW car club of america it what
0:02:46Casey what is it costs like the 30 40
0:02:48bucks it was 48 I think something like
0:02:51that it was between 1450 so they have a
0:02:54rebate program through BMW and like BMW
0:02:57supports this car club of fans It's in a
0:03:00few little endorsement in different ways
0:03:02if you are a member of this thing for at
0:03:06least a year before you take delivery of
0:03:09a new BMW the police or to buy they will
0:03:13give you a credit and in the amount of
0:03:15the credit depends on which model you
0:03:16buy but like a 3-series credits $500
0:03:195-series I think it's a thousand dollars
0:03:21so if you plan to buy a BMW at least one
0:03:26year from now you should really go join
0:03:28the BMW CCA you'll get a cool magazine
0:03:31every month etc so and then because you
0:03:34know you paid forty bucks and then you
0:03:35say like five hundred dollars when you
0:03:36buy the car so that's one way to save
0:03:39the other way to save is if you do
0:03:41european delivery on the higher-priced
0:03:43models you end up it ends up being such
0:03:47a savings that actually can pay for the
0:03:49trip and and so and and you know even if
0:03:52not you still get a very heavily
0:03:53discounted vacation out of it so
0:03:55basically european delivery shaves off
0:03:59about seven percent off the cost of the
0:04:01car if you negotiated equally with how
0:04:04you would have negotiated a regular
0:04:06purchase so you can go online you can
0:04:09find what the invoice prices are
0:04:12throughout the NW forms and everything
0:04:13you can find european delivery invoice
0:04:15prices regular voice prices and you can
0:04:18see the difference is usually about 7%
0:04:19and and a common myth is that this is
0:04:23because when the car is imported then
0:04:26it's used and instead of new and then
0:04:28the tariffs different from what I've
0:04:30around various wiki's that is actually a
0:04:32myth and the actual difference in tariff
0:04:34is negligible and that it's mainly
0:04:37cheaper because you're bypassing a lot
0:04:38of the dealer network anyway so european
0:04:42delivery is basically you fly over to
0:04:45the main factory / office / showroom
0:04:49world thing in munich germany and you
0:04:53pick up your car in Munich you drive it
0:04:55to any of a number of different ports or
0:04:58you can drive it right back into munich
0:05:00or just leave it there and and then they
0:05:02put on a boat for you and ship it back
0:05:04to the US and then you get your car like
0:05:06you know month and a half two months
0:05:07later so by doing that I saved seven
0:05:13percent which is and so I got a really
0:05:15great deal on this so i decided let's go
0:05:17all out and get the ridiculous m5 and so
0:05:21I was joking with casey about bringing
0:05:25him and his wife along on this trip
0:05:27probably for what two years something
0:05:29like that well we actually did it and it
0:05:32turned out great as you said we didn't
0:05:34kill each other in fact we still like
0:05:35each other quite a lot as far as i know
0:05:36and you
0:05:38yeah it was awesome so this this episode
0:05:42of neutral which we've we've declared to
0:05:44be the final episode at least for now
0:05:47possibly ever we don't know yet you know
0:05:49maybe there might be a season to someday
0:05:51but you know probably not no no there's
0:05:53no guarantees of that as I fair to say i
0:05:56think that's fair John yep so this might
0:06:00be the final episode at least the final
0:06:01one for a while and we decided this
0:06:03would be a great ender 22 basically
0:06:06recap this trip and and what it's like
0:06:08to take a european delivery vacation and
0:06:11and how the m5 is in various situations
0:06:14and and just what this was like and
0:06:17casey and i both profusely apologized to
0:06:21John in advance for how wonderful this
0:06:25is going to be for him it's a time I
0:06:28don't like to travel though so it's I
0:06:30every time you talk about travel I just
0:06:32think about how miserable I would be
0:06:33doing it but it would be so great to be
0:06:36there listening to you be miserable now
0:06:38you have you think that now
0:06:39but saying no I like the car though I
0:06:44count for something oh you don't even
0:06:46know John no didn't even know I'd like
0:06:48the color though black yeah what you've
0:06:51gotten is an attractive car I wouldn't
0:06:53affect black for it but you picked white
0:06:55I'd like kind of like that blue yeah
0:06:57yeah like that the one is another press
0:06:59shots that ya later tonight i don't i
0:07:01don't mind that I don't know if I would
0:07:02get in that color but i like that i
0:07:03think this is a very attractive car
0:07:05there's no reason to hide so having
0:07:07having seen having seen most of the
0:07:09colors available in person at some point
0:07:11for various things I i think the blue
0:07:14and the orange that comes in are
0:07:15actually tied for my favorite that arms
0:07:17are really well it yeah I like the black
0:07:19better than that it the orange looks
0:07:20really nice in person because it looks
0:07:22almost read and and so it's just a
0:07:24little bit towards orange you know from
0:07:27red and it's actually it again in person
0:07:30it's a very very nice color i would say
0:07:32it's just as good as that blue and if I
0:07:35were more of a showy flashy person I
0:07:37would have gotten one of those colors
0:07:38but i'm not and so I got it in black and
0:07:41i happen to like black a lot you know
0:07:43iíve mentioned in the past how I don't
0:07:44think I could ever really drive around
0:07:46like a Porsche or Lamborghini or
0:07:48anything crazy like that you know even
0:07:50if money were no object just because i
0:07:52don't i don't want to be that
0:07:53conspicuous I don't think they'll let
0:07:55you buy it if you say porsche to so haha
0:07:58sorry everyone can please email john the
0:08:01proper pronunciation of that so you know
0:08:05I I don't like big flashy cars i like
0:08:08nice cars that happen to be really fast
0:08:11but you know to to the casual observer
0:08:12it looks like every other nice car like
0:08:15not not like a crazy sports car the
0:08:17casual observer is going to notice those
0:08:19wheels that's all I'm saying maybe well
0:08:21you know a lot of cars now getting
0:08:23bigger sport your wheels even even
0:08:26pretty far down market so you know i
0:08:29don't i don't know i think it's
0:08:30definitely still stand out I hadn't
0:08:31noticed the wheels that much until you
0:08:33started posting pictures of yours and my
0:08:34co well now now I'll know if I cm3 be
0:08:37there in five because those jump out at
0:08:38me
0:08:39well you know it's even what's even
0:08:40crazier so it is still quite wintry over
0:08:44in Germany and and because they require
0:08:47snow tires in certain conditions through
0:08:50april fifteenth
0:08:52we had to vent snow tires for this and
0:08:55there's a great program that BMW
0:08:56officially authorizes and works with run
0:08:59by like one guy who just happens to love
0:09:01doing this stuff and from what I gather
0:09:04he doesn't really make much money on it
0:09:05but he just he does snow tire rental for
0:09:08European deliveries for cars that don't
0:09:10come with all-season tires so which is
0:09:13all take all the end models and some of
0:09:15them support packages on regular cars so
0:09:17anyway so what you saw is actually the
0:09:20snow tires and those who are only I
0:09:22believe 19-inch rims
0:09:24that's right and and the ones i'm the
0:09:25the regular summer tires our twenties
0:09:28and so the regular ones will be and
0:09:30there are similar design but but 2719 so
0:09:33they're even more outrageous even bigger
0:09:35even even more obvious and supported to
0:09:37everyone except past Marco as i
0:09:41mentioned in in previous shows i would
0:09:42never noticed wheels before about six
0:09:45months ago and the funny thing is when
0:09:47there was a time where we needed to know
0:09:50how fast we could go on the snow tires
0:09:53and we'll get to that in a minute
0:09:54and so I looked at the snow tires and
0:09:56they were freaking Pirellis they were
0:09:58pirelli snow tires and at that to me two
0:10:01strikes me saying they're 19-inch
0:10:03pirelli snow tires that that's absurd in
0:10:06every possible way
0:10:07why is that a curiosity because I'm I'm
0:10:10not enough of a tired to know why don't
0:10:11worry I'm not a big-tire nerd but
0:10:13probably is generally speaking are not
0:10:15cheap tires and and so here it is that
0:10:18you're not getting some like falken snow
0:10:21tire or something like that you know
0:10:22some crap brand its Pirellis noted John
0:10:26doesn't uh doesn't for use Pirellis
0:10:29water making that up but the competition
0:10:31among tire manufacturers to get like the
0:10:34you know the prestige appointments I i
0:10:38get the impression that each round for
0:10:41each new car each sort of prestige
0:10:42carmaker they just sick the tire makers
0:10:44against each other and so I'm always
0:10:46surprised when you know like something
0:10:47like Goodyear ends up on like some
0:10:49supercar it's like they they just beat
0:10:50everybody out for whatever they're
0:10:52willing to do but but yet pirelli has
0:10:54been heavily featured in Italian
0:10:56performance cars and many performance
0:10:58cars for many years like it's got a
0:11:00reputation as a performance brand you
0:11:02think you're saying do you say Italian
0:11:05I did not you sure I'm pretty darn sure
0:11:09alright sorry continue I think you did
0:11:10i'm going to playback Italian
0:11:14performance cars and italian performance
0:11:15cars at a time a time I i mean if i did
0:11:18it was my mouth betraying me anyway yeah
0:11:23so they have a reputation for making
0:11:24performance tires and so when you think
0:11:26about are gonna put on the winter tires
0:11:28you think you're going to get a brand
0:11:29that does not have that receptor
0:11:30reputation of examine that makes all
0:11:32season tires are just like every man
0:11:34tires and like really what's the point
0:11:35of paralysis whole thing is a
0:11:36high-performance high-speed great grip
0:11:40it's like won't be in the winter I don't
0:11:41want to really be going that fast and i
0:11:43want that i want two different
0:11:44performance characteristics in terms of
0:11:46gripping onto snow and yeah i dunno they
0:11:49do make winter tires because
0:11:50occasionally I see them advertised or
0:11:52mentioned in car magazines and they're
0:11:54not cheap i mean for reference
0:11:56I i have here what BMW charges for the
0:11:59the rim entire sets and this is for for
0:12:04both for all four wheels a room entire
0:12:06set for this is nice big 19 inch rim and
0:12:10they're probably w 240 so 20 s tues
0:12:13total price is like 3200 those are
0:12:19staggered right so the rears are bigger
0:12:20than the front so I didn't even look
0:12:21calm I no actually I don't
0:12:23I don't believe so many so check you
0:12:24know know that there they are square
0:12:27normally the in on summer tires the car
0:12:29is staggered the readers of a wider but
0:12:31the the winter tires r square anyway so
0:12:36I i forgot we were even more in the
0:12:40store anyway we were in Germany driving
0:12:41fast so anyway the thing that that's
0:12:45cracks me up about this trip is that so
0:12:48Aaron and I drove from Richmond Virginia
0:12:50up to marketing tips house because we
0:12:53wanted to make sure that we're all going
0:12:55to be on the same transatlantic flight
0:12:56so if somebody gets doomed we're all
0:12:58doomed and we were going to fly up to
0:13:00JFK and just meet you guys in the
0:13:02airport but as it turns out it was about
0:13:04the same money for the two of us to go
0:13:07to JFK by plane as it was for one of us
0:13:10to go to Munich biplane and so we were
0:13:12like you know that the heck with it will
0:13:14just drive up
0:13:15well we arrived there in in I pack
0:13:17terribly and aaron is a lady so by
0:13:21definition she tends to pack a lot and I
0:13:24apparently milady as well email Marco so
0:13:28anyway so mark when I look at all of our
0:13:30luggage and realize this could be an
0:13:31issue and so what do to nerds do when
0:13:34they are posed with this sort of problem
0:13:36and they don't want to get some munich
0:13:37and realize oh crap we can't fit all the
0:13:39John wait John what would you have done
0:13:41this situation that's a good question
0:13:42thank you you might have too much
0:13:44luggage and you don't really know how
0:13:46much the car will hold when you get
0:13:47there what do you do I would have
0:13:49thought of this before packing i don't
0:13:51think i would be in a situation where I
0:13:52had completed packing and then started
0:13:55looking at this stuff and five hey wait
0:13:57a second we have to fit all this in the
0:13:58car and i would plan ahead i can still
0:14:01light
0:14:01Aaron and I kind of did that picky but
0:14:03carry on market with what you and I
0:14:05concluded
0:14:06well we were you know for adults with
0:14:08four large square suitcases and we know
0:14:11the cars don't have infinite space and
0:14:13that would have been fairly
0:14:14uncomfortable for whoever was sitting in
0:14:16the back seat at the time which turned
0:14:17out to be a senior most of the time or
0:14:20almost all the time actually sorry but
0:14:22we would do wouldn't feel uncomfortable
0:14:25be sitting with somebody's giant
0:14:26rectangular suitcase in the back seat
0:14:27with you so we decided well we know that
0:14:32the car and picking up is a 5-series
0:14:35let's just go to a dealer with all of
0:14:37our luggage and put it in the trunk of a
0:14:395-series and see if it's i would not
0:14:42have done that we did when he certainly
0:14:46did and the worst part is this is this
0:14:48is kind of to build on what you were
0:14:50saying John is that Aaron and I packed
0:14:51one suitcase each but they were
0:14:53reasonably large I don't remember a
0:14:55number off the top of my head but we
0:14:56knew enough to realize this could end up
0:14:58badly and so what we ended up doing was
0:15:01putting in the back of our car to
0:15:03smaller suitcases so if if desperation
0:15:06came we could swap the two small guys
0:15:09for one big guy
0:15:10thus leaving us with one large suitcase
0:15:13and two smaller suitcases instead of two
0:15:15large suitcases and she was not adjusted
0:15:17duffel bags that's what i would suggest
0:15:19it because they're squishing you can
0:15:20fill more of the trunk volume I did
0:15:22suggest that however you know at tate
0:15:25like packing a duffel bag it's like who
0:15:27who's gonna be the one to pack a duffel
0:15:28bag you know nobody wanted
0:15:30you can get like duffel bags that have
0:15:31like a kind of a stiffer bottom where
0:15:33your clothes won't be entirely it's not
0:15:35like you're just taking us not like a
0:15:36laundry bag we just jam your clothes in
0:15:38there can be done that I would have
0:15:41required somebody buying a whole new
0:15:42luggage just for the joy that you don't
0:15:44have either one of you guys have I have
0:15:46some beautiful bags
0:15:47I don't have sturdy ones i have some
0:15:48like college duffel bag somewhere right
0:15:50everybody has that but yeah so we ended
0:15:53up going to the BMW dealer this was
0:15:54friday afternoon Saturday morning
0:15:57Saturday morning we end up going to the
0:15:58local BMW dealer in going to then they
0:16:00actually had an m5 in the showroom in
0:16:02white one a white one I was very pleased
0:16:05but I and it's terrible it shut up
0:16:08sofas attendants we spent a solid half
0:16:10an hour playing tetris in the trunk and
0:16:12surprisingly none nobody at the dealer
0:16:14gave us any lip about it nor did we get
0:16:16that many cross looks or side eyes or
0:16:18anything like that which I was very
0:16:19happy about
0:16:21well it was like it was like nine in the
0:16:23morning they just opened
0:16:24that's true and I i had spent the better
0:16:27part of the entire week beforehand in
0:16:29that dealership doing paperwork and
0:16:31finance apps
0:16:32ok I think about that . they were very
0:16:34comfortable with me doing weird things
0:16:36in the dealership so yeah so we actually
0:16:38went and we we figure out how they fit
0:16:41and we took pictures of exactly how to
0:16:43do the arrangement so we would know when
0:16:44we got there and and it worked so we
0:16:48figured out we we got ourselves to
0:16:50Munich and it was snowing freezing it
0:16:54turns out this is like the the coldest
0:16:55marks they've ever had a record or
0:16:57something like that and it was it was
0:16:59pretty great so we get there we decided
0:17:02to kill we had to kill two days in
0:17:04Munich before we got the car because we
0:17:07were ready when you are so easy with him
0:17:10yeah so and and in Germany
0:17:13not only is Easter Sunday a holiday but
0:17:15the monday following it is also a
0:17:17holiday so we had to pick up the car on
0:17:19Tuesday and yes so sunday and monday we
0:17:22had all day to kill so we did the BMW
0:17:25Welt it's kind of like BMW world it's
0:17:27like disney world full of people use in
0:17:29a giant building and gift shop and
0:17:32and tours and everything and pretty cool
0:17:35in the museum across the street full of
0:17:38all the old BMWs engines motorcycles a
0:17:42couple of boat engine plane engines and
0:17:46all every classic BMW model you can
0:17:48think of all the animals of course the
0:17:50one after that the m1 rather and there
0:17:53was honor there was not a wanna but
0:17:55there was an m1 and you know that
0:17:57everybody's favorite am-5 now they did
0:18:01not they did not have any 39 m5 I was
0:18:03very sad about that they had the the
0:18:05original i believe was the original in
0:18:07five and i can't remember the model
0:18:08designation off the top of my head but
0:18:09it was from like 89 I think something
0:18:12like that or it may be earlier than that
0:18:14and usually three or that anyway so that
0:18:18was a blast
0:18:18highly recommended we we killed a whole
0:18:20day just at the Museum between them
0:18:22Welton museum yeah we killed the entire
0:18:24day and and I I can only speak for Aaron
0:18:26but Aaron had said that she had quite
0:18:29like the museum and not to say that
0:18:30Aaron doesn't like cars or that she's
0:18:31not amused by museums but I mean let's
0:18:34be honest the cars aren't your cup of
0:18:35tea if they don't rip your engine haha
0:18:38then that i could imagine that would be
0:18:40boring and I know Aaron really like 10
0:18:42tips certainly looked like she enjoyed
0:18:44it a lot as well yeah she was enjoying
0:18:46taking a ridiculous quantity of pictures
0:18:50of me looking at engines giving the
0:18:53exact same relatively blank expression
0:18:56in almost every picture and so that was
0:18:59spotted but yeah so the museum was a lot
0:19:02of fun it's extremely well-designed and
0:19:04and very cool very interesting even if
0:19:07you aren't total BMW nerds like us
0:19:09even John you might you might have maybe
0:19:1225 minutes of happiness in there and
0:19:15that's really sad I'm happy all the time
0:19:18I'm happy on the inside kind of clown
0:19:20haha and you hit so alright so after
0:19:26then sunday went to the deutsches museum
0:19:28which was awesome you know big like
0:19:31science tech museum and in Munich and
0:19:32that was fantastic we only saw like half
0:19:34of it i feel i mean monday and yeah oh
0:19:36yeah we we saw probably less than half
0:19:38because turns out it's ridiculously huge
0:19:40and there we saw even more engines and
0:19:42we explained we both went over to the
0:19:45torque converter hand exhibit and
0:19:47demonstrated to our wives separately
0:19:49demonstrate to our wives how automatics
0:19:52work and why is that
0:19:55yeah that was that was an excellent
0:19:57moment for me to be here and yeah so
0:20:01then tuesday morning we got to go pick
0:20:02up the car okay so we go and and really
0:20:06and so we went back to be to BMW Welt
0:20:08and we go to the premium lounge which is
0:20:10where everybody can when they have
0:20:11infinite free food and free coffee and
0:20:14everything and you can sit around there
0:20:15forever which we later made our wives
0:20:17actually do for a reason that I can't
0:20:19discuss in the show but regardless you
0:20:22go to be able to be lounge and me we
0:20:25weren't taking a dump or anything about
0:20:26something else but now I'm intrigued
0:20:31I'll tell you afterward and so so we go
0:20:34to this lounge and everything I mean so
0:20:38I i went with my in-laws to buy a lexus
0:20:41before and tiff has alexis i want i
0:20:44guess that's probably a better example
0:20:46buying most luxury cars they treat you
0:20:49pretty well the experience is pretty
0:20:50good by buying most cars experiences at
0:20:53least alright but the luxury brands tend
0:20:55to go out of their way to really make it
0:20:57you know
0:20:58plush they did they give you here here's
0:21:00a pot of water and let you know let me
0:21:01offer you like you want a glass of wine
0:21:03or anything like that mean there they go
0:21:04they go crazy and make you does not put
0:21:07your guard up though you weren't born in
0:21:10New York but now technically I guess you
0:21:12are new yorker so I train you in the
0:21:13ways of New York little start start
0:21:15doing things that to put you at ease and
0:21:18make you comfortable
0:21:19you're the warning ladies to go up
0:21:21because especially when they're about to
0:21:22extract thousand the hospital
0:21:25well yeah I mean you know it obviously
0:21:28is not applicable in this particular
0:21:29situation but i'm saying that's what my
0:21:31instinct would be even though i know
0:21:33very well like I you know I'm taking
0:21:35delivery of a car that you know I've
0:21:37already bought it
0:21:37they're trying to make it nice because
0:21:39they're trying to be nice but it's just
0:21:40yeah I mean usually usually agree with
0:21:44you like like it makes me it makes me
0:21:45uncomfortable or rather it makes me feel
0:21:48like I'm getting scammed whenever it's
0:21:50very obvious that whatever i'm about to
0:21:52buy has such a ridiculously large profit
0:21:55margin and even afford to do this to be
0:21:57don't really like really super
0:21:59over-the-top nice like yeah then I'm
0:22:01like okay well I i am paying for all
0:22:03this in a way and ghosts are more like
0:22:05it's worth it to them to put the money
0:22:07into that experience to distract you
0:22:08from how they're screwing us right
0:22:10exactly but yeah but this obviously
0:22:13already had already established the
0:22:14money and paid and you know establish
0:22:16the pricing so this is just picking it
0:22:18up and and every stage of the way and I
0:22:22should point out to we we were there for
0:22:25a little while and we saw a bunch of
0:22:27deliveries including Casey was that one
0:22:30series you saw that was super super
0:22:33inexpensive well i think was a 120
0:22:35diesel if i'm not mistaken and it was so
0:22:38inexpensive and i don't mean this to
0:22:41sound disrespectful or snarky or
0:22:43anything but it was so inexpensive for
0:22:44BMW that actually a hub caps which I
0:22:46didn't think BMW did anymore right but
0:22:48now they have a hole low end of cars
0:22:51they just don't sell in the US but they
0:22:52saw a lot of them in Germany which by
0:22:54the way is a quick aside one thing that
0:22:56mark when i noticed that i thought was
0:22:57really incredible made me very jealous
0:22:59was that apparently the guy i would say
0:23:02the overwhelming majority of bmw's that
0:23:04we saw were not badge so they would say
0:23:08BMW of course but they would not say x
0:23:1054 m 5 or 3 35 or whatever the case may
0:23:13be there was no model designation on the
0:23:16trunk or boot depending on what country
0:23:18you live in
0:23:18and I thought that was really awesome
0:23:20and i'm kinda jealous that that's a
0:23:21no-cost option for them
0:23:23yeah and it wasn't just being w it just
0:23:24seemed like that seemed like that was
0:23:26just more normal they're like many cars
0:23:28just weren't badge or were minimally
0:23:31badge so we had to identify things by
0:23:34like you know the exhaust tips and
0:23:36things like that like that is that an
0:23:37option because you don't want people to
0:23:39know that you don't have the fanciest
0:23:40one is that the idea behind think it's I
0:23:43think it's because if you don't want
0:23:44that either extreme either you don't
0:23:47want people to know that you have the
0:23:48super flashy car or that you don't want
0:23:50people to know they have a 120 diesel
0:23:52that that for BMW was absurdly to get
0:23:54that seems so strange to me though
0:23:56because the only people who care car
0:23:57people and car we can tell anyway that's
0:24:00true well I just a little community
0:24:02could just be like a cultural thing like
0:24:03a cultural preference thing like you
0:24:05know here we we have pretty big
0:24:07divisions between smart people like us
0:24:11and people who let dealer badging be
0:24:13attached to their car forever
0:24:15yeah ? ground behind one of those people
0:24:18like boy I hope you got a lot of money
0:24:19off my car
0:24:20yeah the ones that have like not you
0:24:22know like you know my dealer gives me a
0:24:24license plate frame that's fine I can
0:24:26take it off but the ones that actually
0:24:28extends all their own logo like on the
0:24:30other side of the trunk lid opposite the
0:24:32real car look it has big baby quietly
0:24:35shiny plastic things that big blue on
0:24:38dear let it like that you know stick out
0:24:41yeah it's terrible but like but hey I i
0:24:43can be bought you know give me a couple
0:24:44thousand dollars off the carhop i'll put
0:24:46a permanent silver add-on you're on the
0:24:48back of my car and if it falls off on a
0:24:50year oops
0:24:52nice anyway so and and one thing to you
0:24:56know that seeing the cars over there
0:24:58gas is way more expensive over there
0:25:00shouldn't be news anybody really
0:25:02listening to this gas is so much more
0:25:05expensive that not only were diesel
0:25:06obviously a lot more common because
0:25:07diesel is generally cheaper but just
0:25:11overall the the engines of the cars we
0:25:14saw where we're mostly very small
0:25:16efficient engines we saw a lot of like
0:25:19you know in the BMW line if you have
0:25:20like the 320 the 520 that you know the
0:25:24318 118 like all like the small engines
0:25:27with those last two digits there
0:25:29I didn't see anything above a 30 so by
0:25:33BMWs parlance that's nothing above
0:25:34roughly a 3.8 liter v6 or i6 whatever it
0:25:38is and I don't even know what they use
0:25:43the thirties for exactly with the
0:25:45current model anyway they were very very
0:25:47few like large engine super-big high-end
0:25:51ones that we saw even even out on the
0:25:53roads or you know anywhere we saw very
0:25:55very few large engine car just because
0:25:57it's so it's so ridiculous over there to
0:26:01have one because the gas is so expensive
0:26:03like filling up filling up the m5 tank
0:26:06which is 21 gallons filling it up costs
0:26:09over a hundred euros and so its current
0:26:13rate something like a hundred and twenty
0:26:14dollars and so it's quite a bit of money
0:26:17anyway obviously I i think if i lived
0:26:22there that would if that would have more
0:26:24relevance on my decision to get one and
0:26:26that's why nobody does over there
0:26:28so anyway so we pick up the car and and
0:26:32so the luxury was was really quite
0:26:35something because this is there this is
0:26:37like their flagship place there the
0:26:40their flagship store in a way and its
0:26:43really good premium experience and the
0:26:44whole time I just kept thinking I can't
0:26:45believe that this cost me less money
0:26:48than picking it up in the states and
0:26:50everything that this is something that
0:26:53echoed throughout the entire BMW
0:26:56european delivery experience and i
0:26:58really i really do mean this at a very
0:27:01deep level everyone did their job right
0:27:04and everything worked and and that's
0:27:06really you know here in the US and I
0:27:08don't know how many other places but
0:27:09certainly in the u.s. you are accustomed
0:27:12to a lot of people just screwing things
0:27:15up routinely a lot of things not working
0:27:19the way they should and and so there's a
0:27:22lot of little details like like when
0:27:24they bring you to your car they bring
0:27:26you down the stairwell and you overlook
0:27:28your car and all the cars are on little
0:27:31spinning turntables and when you when
0:27:35you approach this overlook the salesman
0:27:38who's bringing you to the car
0:27:39it's not really a Salesman that's
0:27:41already been made anyway that the person
0:27:43bring you to the car website an ipad and
0:27:46use a custom a full of German I could
0:27:48understand to start a spotlight on your
0:27:52car and to start the turntable spinning
0:27:55as you approach and the best part about
0:27:57it to me was that I'd like you said it's
0:28:00on you you go down a level and on this
0:28:02landing while you're still on the
0:28:03stairwell you haven't you gone halfway
0:28:05down the stairwell
0:28:06that's when they turn on the spotlight
0:28:07and they engage the turntable and and i
0:28:09was listening to to the delivery
0:28:11specialist or whatever he calls himself
0:28:13and he was telling you about why the car
0:28:15was designed the way it was and what was
0:28:17even more interesting was it to me
0:28:19anyway I don't know what your impression
0:28:21was but to me it didn't sound like just
0:28:22bullcrap sales talk
0:28:24it sounded like he genuinely had
0:28:26researched have been taught or learned
0:28:28why event was placed there or why that
0:28:33you know this this line was done in this
0:28:36way
0:28:37total and I it was very very interesting
0:28:39and very cool
0:28:40yeah and and so just you know every
0:28:43every part of it was very carefully
0:28:45designed very carefully orchestrated and
0:28:47everything worked its I've never been to
0:28:50disney world but from what I understand
0:28:52from what people have said about 20 it
0:28:54sounds like they have a lot of the same
0:28:55philosophies thereof like you know you
0:28:58shouldn't see any seams and everything
0:29:00should always work like it's like they
0:29:01really nailed that it is you know it you
0:29:05know if that if that was anywhere in
0:29:06America even at a BMW facility in
0:29:08America cannot likelihood you know that
0:29:12like if there be like one turntable that
0:29:14just didn't work and so like you know a
0:29:16tenth of the deliveries that day just
0:29:17wouldn't have the turntable working and
0:29:19have to explain how sorry
0:29:21normally it's been good don't know
0:29:22what's broken you know you know that
0:29:24would happen here
0:29:25yeah but that definitely is the ethos in
0:29:27disney world but it's a lot harder to
0:29:29hold that line in a gigantic theme park
0:29:31filled with screaming children and
0:29:33certain tourists than it is in the end
0:29:35in the environment that you're in
0:29:37of course but but you know it's it's
0:29:39that it's that work ethic and that
0:29:42attention to detail that this needs to
0:29:44work correctly
0:29:46did you notice that like in the rest of
0:29:47Germany like that this is not you know
0:29:49that the sort of Germany toasted the
0:29:51stereotype we have over here is that
0:29:52every part of their societies like that
0:29:54from the guy who serves your coffee at
0:29:56the coffee shop to like the street signs
0:29:59and traffic lights and you know
0:30:01everything
0:30:02it wasn't I mean it wasn't absolutely
0:30:04perfect everywhere obviously that that's
0:30:06probably impossible or at least
0:30:08unhealthy but it was surprisingly close
0:30:11it really like and we'll get into the
0:30:14drivers in a bit but it was it was
0:30:16surprisingly good just just in general
0:30:19think like people did their jobs right
0:30:22and things worked one was interesting to
0:30:25me as well i am i'm probably reading too
0:30:27much into this but again like John
0:30:30saying that the the American stereotype
0:30:31of a German is that they're very
0:30:32efficient very serious not mean or not
0:30:35bad tempered with serious and everything
0:30:38is very specific and and i don't know i
0:30:40just got such a laugh over the fact that
0:30:42your delivery time was nine ten
0:30:44it wasn't 909 it wasn't 911
0:30:48it was nine ten and I mean we walked out
0:30:51there i think nine ten on the nose and
0:30:53and it was your there and at what I
0:30:55believe his name is Michael was right
0:30:56there waiting for us
0:30:57yeah i mean 'animal again it was just so
0:30:59delightfully German and i don't mean
0:31:01that just in inside in a sarcastic way I
0:31:03mean I genuinely I thought it was so
0:31:05delightfully German that that was the
0:31:06case right well if we were even joking
0:31:08like we were after we pick the car we
0:31:11come back to the lounge to get our stuff
0:31:13and get like a get a little bit of
0:31:14coffee or something and and so it was
0:31:17like eleven o'clock and they had said
0:31:19like you know what are serving lunch at
0:31:22eleven at this forgot about the human
0:31:24lounge and exactly at eleven o'clock
0:31:27somebody had walked out and was replayed
0:31:30misplacing sandwiches on on the buffet
0:31:32and everything it was like exactly on
0:31:34the nose eleven o'clock
0:31:35BAM lunch like me and you can case you
0:31:38you notice that in common that like that
0:31:39that is so stereotypically chicken but
0:31:42it's truly get it
0:31:44that's a and again you know that John's
0:31:46good question like how much this how
0:31:48much this applies outside of this
0:31:50magical BMW you know fairytale land but
0:31:52but really it did seem like in are
0:31:57admittedly limited travels it did seem
0:32:00like that was that was more way more the
0:32:02norm than it is over here in the US
0:32:05would agree with that especially on the
0:32:08west coast especially on the west coast
0:32:10welcoming and I like that a lot like I i
0:32:12am part german I've always I mean you
0:32:15know well it long ancestry ago was
0:32:17German but like I've always worked very
0:32:19well under German bosses I had a few it
0:32:21with my various like terrible high
0:32:23school jobs and everything like I've
0:32:25always gotten along well with German
0:32:27bosses I've always liked you know i'm
0:32:29i'm the kind of nerd where if somebody
0:32:31tells me to be there you know to be at a
0:32:33party from 6 to 9 i'm there at six and
0:32:36of course that's not what anybody means
0:32:38acceptable government's I'm told you're
0:32:40not supposed to do that I'm repeatedly
0:32:42told by my wife that we're not supposed
0:32:43to do right you're a nerd so you think
0:32:45the same way like well it's said to be
0:32:48there at six something I was a button
0:32:50simon doesn't make any sense
0:32:51exactly shoot the hell with you guys on
0:32:54their 555 @ don't want to be looking
0:32:57the songs are so we got at your grasp so
0:33:01we're halfway down the stairwell your
0:33:02car spinning and you're getting explain
0:33:04to you why the lines were drawn in such
0:33:06a way it exactly so yeah so anyway that
0:33:09I mean you know the whole thing
0:33:11normally when you when you buy a car and
0:33:13most most branded dealers they will take
0:33:16a little bit to show you all the
0:33:18features to go over like here's how you
0:33:19do the climate control and and of course
0:33:22as we've discussed in the test with with
0:33:24the with software interfaces taking over
0:33:26and and with media things being able to
0:33:28do more and more
0:33:29this process is taking longer to explain
0:33:32it but but you know this guy he came
0:33:34down there and so we go down to the car
0:33:37and the first thing they'd have me do
0:33:40and when we when we walked into this
0:33:43whole thing they checked our bags when
0:33:46we went down to the car they had all of
0:33:48our bags ready to go into the car right
0:33:50there next to it like on the best thing
0:33:52we'd have to ask
0:33:53yeah and it wasn't that they brought the
0:33:55bags nearby the car those bags were
0:33:58brought as physically close to the car
0:34:01as you would comfortably allow them to
0:34:03be handled by anyone other than you and
0:34:05again I mean that in a good way not in a
0:34:06bad way they brought them directly to
0:34:09the trunk and had them within six inches
0:34:11of the trunk so we wouldn't have to lift
0:34:12them any further if we didn't want to
0:34:14hear and the first thing they have you
0:34:16do is somebody is a photographer comes
0:34:19up and takes a picture of you in front
0:34:21of the car
0:34:22oh I'm way to pictures when we just
0:34:24meeting with me my wife and I and then a
0:34:29few seconds look at a few minutes later
0:34:30they give you not only the printouts of
0:34:33those pictures that they had like gone
0:34:34to the back to get they give you the
0:34:37printouts and they give you a USB key
0:34:38with those pictures on them
0:34:40july didn't know that yeah I I never
0:34:41notice on now the question roar jpg it
0:34:45doesn't matter they had a flash such a
0:34:49snob
0:34:50hey don't the Germans make amazing
0:34:52cameras
0:34:53why did they make amazing lenses i don't
0:34:56know if i don't know what cameras they
0:34:57make yeah I am
0:34:59which by the way I don't remember when
0:35:01it was in this process that the
0:35:03following happened but I also thought it
0:35:04very interesting and to build on what
0:35:06you're saying Marco about American vs
0:35:07German ways when we got to the call
0:35:10one of the first things that happened
0:35:13was Michael the delivery specialist open
0:35:15the hood and showed you know you anymore
0:35:17and then he went and he got something
0:35:19from some cabinet and the cabinet was
0:35:21delightfully a simple and very clean
0:35:26very clean lines and he gets this cable
0:35:29out and I noticed that there's jumper
0:35:30leads on one end and some sort of plug
0:35:33on the other and so he takes these
0:35:35jumper leads plug them into the jump
0:35:37location under the hood and then under
0:35:40the front of the car perfectly under the
0:35:42center of the front of the car
0:35:44there's this hidden little doorway where
0:35:46he plugs in the other end and I presume
0:35:49this was done so that the car was
0:35:50running off the building's power and
0:35:53while he was spending an hour explaining
0:35:54to you about I Drive and this and that
0:35:56the other thing you're not destroying
0:35:58this brand new bat yes that's it in fact
0:36:00he explained that he was doing it he
0:36:01explained that is what he was doing and
0:36:02why because he was about to launch into
0:36:05like this half-hour demo of the stuff
0:36:06and didn't want and didn't want me to
0:36:08have a partially drained battery left
0:36:10but it's so and so and so when they
0:36:13drive these cars onto these turntables
0:36:15they have to align them so that these
0:36:18things line up like it's just every
0:36:20little attention to detail at everything
0:36:22was was a was just pay attention to and
0:36:25was done correctly
0:36:27yeah by the way the people who drive
0:36:28them from the car elevator to the
0:36:31turntable are wearing white gloves it
0:36:34I mean I'm not Joe this thing with
0:36:36spotless and it had the the odometer
0:36:38read to when they first got it it so i
0:36:42have to imagine they were not a lot of
0:36:43overhead of driving this thing around to
0:36:45get it where it had to go so it's
0:36:48actually begs the question will Marco
0:36:50where do they store these cars until
0:36:52delivery right that's another thing so
0:36:54we found out late the night before
0:36:55picking it up somebody on a forum link
0:36:58to it somehow somebody a forum had
0:37:01gotten pictures and then they later
0:37:02confirmed we ask the people like kind of
0:37:05we have some kind of leading questions
0:37:06and they confirmed everything the form
0:37:07guy said that they store all these cars
0:37:11in a giant warehouse under where we were
0:37:14and in order to prevent or to reduce the
0:37:19damage of firewood cause you had a whole
0:37:21bunch of vehicles full of gasoline
0:37:23first of all they are only allowed to
0:37:25put four gallons of gas and each one
0:37:26which is kind of annoying when you leave
0:37:28you don't have a full tank but that's
0:37:29apparently some kind of regulation but
0:37:31they have to follow but they keep these
0:37:33inner in a room a giant warehouse that
0:37:35is dropped down to only thirteen percent
0:37:38oxygen so that if there's a fire it
0:37:42doesn't spread very easily and they said
0:37:44like if you try to light a lighter won't
0:37:46even light at that at that concentration
0:37:47i keep thieves out other people still
0:37:49able to breathe
0:37:50it's like being on a high mountain I i
0:37:52forget the exact elevation he told us
0:37:54there's like I had some kind of
0:37:55elevation equivalent but like you know
0:37:58you'd survive but it can be done heading
0:38:00right for your car and actually had like
0:38:04a robotic forklift truck thing that goes
0:38:07and fetches each car from its little
0:38:10holding bay to bring it over to where it
0:38:13needs to go when when a car's requested
0:38:15i mean it's it's a it's a heck of a
0:38:17system and the guy was saying they do
0:38:19roughly a hundred 230 deliveries per day
0:38:22and they only have out of what would you
0:38:25say case maybe like 10 turntables yet no
0:38:28more than 15 I think closer to 10 and
0:38:30they're only doing roughly 12 to a time
0:38:34so you gotta figure like this whole
0:38:37thing is it's quite an efficient system
0:38:39to be able to pump that out you know
0:38:42tend to have that kind of throughput on
0:38:44on such relatively small inventory
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0:40:28episode they are that awesome
0:40:30they really are so you know obviously
0:40:31come on guys yoooo yo to them into us
0:40:34give me a shot you like it in as a quick
0:40:38aside the the turntable that we happen
0:40:41to be on this again was another
0:40:43delightfully german thing that I noticed
0:40:45the turntable we happen to be on had a
0:40:47sculpture nearby and it took me just a
0:40:50moment to realize wait a second that
0:40:51sculptures and exhaust manifold and so
0:40:53while marco was getting his dissertation
0:40:56on all the things about the m5 I went
0:40:58wandering over 10 feet away to see the
0:41:00sculpture little up look up close and it
0:41:03was mounted on what appears to me to be
0:41:05marble and i took a picture of the the
0:41:07inscription on that marble of what the
0:41:09sculpture was and I'm not gonna read you
0:41:11the German because I can't but they had
0:41:13an English translation right below and i
0:41:14will read it to you verbatim it says BMW
0:41:1710 cylinder performance manifold 421
0:41:20scale new line technology and its most
0:41:23beautiful form and again so awesome and
0:41:27i probably sound like I'm being
0:41:29sarcastic but I really mean this
0:41:30genuinely that just warms my heart so
0:41:32much that the again just so delightfully
0:41:36German so anyway so he's just plug the
0:41:38car into the into the butt into the
0:41:40building and you're getting your lecture
0:41:43yet and it's you know it's great hehe
0:41:45sets everything up he pairs my phone to
0:41:47the bluetooth I mean
0:41:48you know it goes through everything just
0:41:51as well if not better than I've ever had
0:41:52a dealer do it you know really really
0:41:54good good intro to everything smoke
0:41:57great English that magazine excellent
0:41:59English that was never a problem and
0:42:02even like we were never given the
0:42:03paperwork you know that was a different
0:42:04person and she was explaining you know
0:42:07if you here's your insurance here's this
0:42:08this and this
0:42:09everything was like no deductible I mean
0:42:11it was really just a great set up
0:42:13everything we were very well prepared
0:42:15for everything
0:42:16everyone told us what was going to
0:42:17happen what to expect like you know with
0:42:19with the the road permits and the
0:42:22insurance and the paperwork and the
0:42:24drop-off you know everything we're very
0:42:26well prepared for and they just everyone
0:42:28just did their job right and i really i
0:42:31wish that was just something that we
0:42:35could assume of everybody all the time
0:42:36and it and it's so isn't and so it was
0:42:41really quite something
0:42:43so anyway I finished the tour we're all
0:42:46ready to go and and and again we and we
0:42:48have for people with us you know we had
0:42:50me know I've encasing his wife and that
0:42:54was never a problem that was never week
0:42:56they were they never made us feel like
0:42:57we were imposing because we had four
0:43:00people instead of two or 2 plus kid or
0:43:02whatever they do everything they just ok
0:43:05here's you here's for access car so the
0:43:07executor the premium lounge and and here
0:43:10and when we left they gave us free
0:43:12little bottles of water here's four
0:43:13bottles of water because it's for if you
0:43:15like it was everything was just
0:43:16incredibly delightful and you know
0:43:20people often now I got a lot of
0:43:23responses when I when I've mentioned BMW
0:43:25in the past I always get responses to
0:43:27the effect of why do so many apple fans
0:43:30like BMWs and and I think there is a
0:43:35connection there and and you know maybe
0:43:37that's maybe that's why BMW care so much
0:43:39about iphone and ipod integration and
0:43:42why they've been often first to it are
0:43:44done it best for a while I think there's
0:43:48a lot of overlap there and I think the
0:43:49reason why is because people who like
0:43:54delightful things and delightful design
0:43:57tend to really appreciate apple products
0:44:00because apple provides
0:44:02a lot of delight and I think BMW is is
0:44:07that same way in so many regards and so
0:44:09many respects and they aren't the only
0:44:11ones to do to be that way certainly I
0:44:13mean little delightful things little by
0:44:16for features are a lot of what makes
0:44:18luxury cars luxury cars and so pretty
0:44:20much all the luxury brands that even
0:44:21someone on larger brands do but they
0:44:25really do BWW really does nail that they
0:44:28really do provide so many opportunities
0:44:31for delight in their products in their
0:44:33service in these experiences that they
0:44:36that they offer you like there's so much
0:44:39of that I think that's why there's that
0:44:41overlap is because the same people who
0:44:44appreciate that and apple products if
0:44:46they are ever exposed to BWW will
0:44:49probably appreciate it there to my
0:44:52recognize that you know they cared about
0:44:54that they did that and and that's that
0:44:57makes me happy for the question why do
0:45:00you think they don't do this in America
0:45:03is kind of delivery experience her beer
0:45:06that you do that as far as I know they
0:45:07don't I think well talk about for BMW
0:45:11orgastic I mean I didn't love you
0:45:13they do a subset of it you know like
0:45:15they'll but you know they do the subset
0:45:17of that every luxury brand does where
0:45:19they'll have given away as we said
0:45:21earlier they'll give you the bottle of
0:45:22water or the glass of wine if you want
0:45:23and they'll make your experience at a
0:45:25dealership very helpful and very nice
0:45:27and and very comfortable but this whole
0:45:30setup of having like the car and
0:45:32turntable and everything I don't know I
0:45:35don't act is you just because that would
0:45:37put a lot of bourbon and a lot of costs
0:45:39on the individual dealers where I mad
0:45:42when I was thinking of like it just one
0:45:44place somewhere in the United States so
0:45:45that you know you would have to fly
0:45:46overseas for you know you like someone
0:45:48like somewhere near where they sell a
0:45:49lot of their cars or maybe it's like to
0:45:51drive to another state and do it but if
0:45:52you want to go to the big BMW back and
0:45:55then you can get that experience you
0:45:56know I don't they don't do this in
0:45:59Spartans is it Spartanburg's your
0:46:01ensberg smart hands berg don't matter is
0:46:03an astronaut but anyway I don't think
0:46:04they do this at Spartanburg do they I
0:46:06don't think so
0:46:07I i I'm not sure if they do this or not
0:46:10anywhere in the u.s I've still never
0:46:11heard about it if they have
0:46:12but i think the place to do it would
0:46:15probably be like New Jersey thick like
0:46:18that's New Jersey has lots of space lots
0:46:20of car people and it's close to a lot of
0:46:22people on the East Coast maybe probably
0:46:23have one on the west coast to it they
0:46:25did that but yeah I've never heard is
0:46:26isn't it
0:46:27yeah but yeah I've never heard of of
0:46:31that being done here and that's a good
0:46:32question i don't know why but the only
0:46:35thing I can say is I from what I recall
0:46:36a couple years ago
0:46:38I'm want to say was the zr1 maybe the
0:46:40new zr1 i think that there was some
0:46:43program that Chevy briefly did where you
0:46:45could actually go in to go to Kentucky
0:46:47and build the matter you would help
0:46:49assemble the end right right that's a
0:46:51different kind of experience for a
0:46:52different kind of customer it's the same
0:46:53thing like it what do you want you want
0:46:55to have this experience was like well if
0:46:57you're into if you're a gearhead and you
0:46:59want to it's like wow I got to help
0:47:00build you know the engine to my own car
0:47:02I'm sure they let you do whatever I
0:47:04think it's nearly impossible to screw up
0:47:06right what do you like Titan one nut or
0:47:07something anybody about it that you do
0:47:09you know the parts that are hard to
0:47:10screw up but you can participate in the
0:47:12process you push a button anyway so
0:47:16after picking up the car we did you eat
0:47:19you get to do like this little victory
0:47:20lap around the entire platform of all
0:47:23the turntables and where all the cars
0:47:24are and to be clear you know with Marco
0:47:27picked up this car on the second floor
0:47:29of a three-story building it ain't so
0:47:31you know next thing you know that I see
0:47:34the code well you signed something on an
0:47:36ipad i didn't see specifically what
0:47:39and that was the final thing I saw you
0:47:40sign yeah and then he hands you the keys
0:47:44for like you know here this is it we're
0:47:46done have fun and you're on the second
0:47:49story in your inside in the second story
0:47:51of a of a three-story building right and
0:47:54and of course I'm feeling very
0:47:55self-conscious that just started up a v8
0:47:57indoors
0:47:59i'm thinking like a carbon monoxide yet
0:48:01but I'm sure that everything's pretty
0:48:03big building with marisa different it is
0:48:07also a lot of cars being started up and
0:48:09it was I looking at these pictures i'm
0:48:12looking like that the video people
0:48:13getting delivery like the big white
0:48:15floor you know you could probably leave
0:48:17some really neat tire tracks along just
0:48:20the people out to black stripes as you
0:48:22leave the that's what I told him he
0:48:24should have done but I will
0:48:25there's no prob probably frowned upon .
0:48:27you not only not only was I little
0:48:29scared to be frowned upon but a this was
0:48:33a dct so I was little I was a little
0:48:36vague as to whether you're neutral or
0:48:38not like and now that I know what I I'd
0:48:39be able to do it comfortably but at the
0:48:41time i was i was not comforting to know
0:48:42like if I floor it for a second am I
0:48:44gonna actually go forward right now or
0:48:46not any of the other thing is it's a
0:48:49very very it's a relatively tight space
0:48:52you know when you're walking it's very
0:48:54spacious when you're driving a $YEAR 5
0:48:56series because a large vehicle you don't
0:49:00feel like you have a ton of space to get
0:49:03to go around like you know there's
0:49:05there's a wall there that overlooks of
0:49:07show room full of people up
0:49:09that's the United wasn't going to take
0:49:11any risks there anyway so you can lean
0:49:14on the horn at least at representing
0:49:15American some of noxious play haha go
0:49:19again
0:49:20I'm serious i'm sure people do the head
0:49:21you do all of that custom horn that uh
0:49:24plays the pics added theme when you hit
0:49:27somebody please not corruption now
0:49:29Wow but anyway so we we do a victory lap
0:49:32we head out and then we just go
0:49:35immediately park and go back in because
0:49:36we were doing next was the factory tour
0:49:39and this this is pretty cool
0:49:43you can take any pictures on the factory
0:49:45tour they're very serious about that so
0:49:47I don't have any pictures of it but they
0:49:49actually walk you through the factory
0:49:51that's across the street that produces
0:49:53something like I think they said about
0:49:55903 series cars a day and I saw some x5
0:50:00shells as well if i'm not mistaken you
0:50:02are mistaken as are making it made in
0:50:04the US
0:50:05see that's what I thought but there were
0:50:06some sort of SUV I thought wasn't or
0:50:08maybe i'm thinking of the tour yet every
0:50:09just they were just the touring / wagon
0:50:11models of the 3c right i was just
0:50:13kidding i was testing you and you passed
0:50:15that's good but anyway just like when
0:50:17you when you failed to spot the the new
0:50:204-series in the museum the new 4-series
0:50:23design mockup yes yes you're right
0:50:26anyway did so we did the factory tour
0:50:30and and it's it's really something if
0:50:32you know if any listeners have the
0:50:33opportunity to go to the music factory
0:50:35tour I I would have
0:50:36recommend it it's really really great it
0:50:39was one of the highlights of the trip
0:50:40for sure and just society they tell you
0:50:43why they don't let you take pictures
0:50:45no it's probably for some kind of like
0:50:47legal trade secrets things similar to
0:50:49how like you know one of the reasons why
0:50:51Apple did the iOS developer n da back in
0:50:54the early days was because they were
0:50:55some kind of technicality where like if
0:50:57you if if something is unpublished
0:51:00officially then it afford you some like
0:51:04a little bit of extra time on the patent
0:51:06or something like that or or filing for
0:51:08a patent and so there's some
0:51:09technicality we're like even though
0:51:11everyone was breaking the NDA constantly
0:51:13it was as long as it was officially
0:51:15under NDA then you know Apple had some
0:51:18legal benefit it was it's probably the
0:51:20same thing here we're like obviously
0:51:22you're not going to see anything that's
0:51:24gonna be like a massive trade secret or
0:51:26anything and they're going to show
0:51:27everyone the street that but by by
0:51:31saying this is secret and not letting
0:51:34you take pictures and everything there
0:51:36is probably some kind of legal advantage
0:51:39they get by that but i was asking
0:51:41because I'm looking at this this video I
0:51:43just paste in a you know european
0:51:45delivery or whatever and they do the
0:51:48factory tour too and they're taking
0:51:49video so one of these jokers get to do
0:51:51video you can you take pictures i just
0:51:53passed you're talking about the autoblog
0:51:55yeah thing
0:51:56oh yeah let me see how I'm kind of busy
0:51:59i would assume i'll assume attack was
0:52:01there its press and so press get
0:52:04affordances that we don't get it was
0:52:05probably a special deal but that's a
0:52:07good question like why why is that ok
0:52:09oh well I don't know anyway it was
0:52:12awesome at as you can see this video
0:52:14thanks for ruining it
0:52:15as you can see it's video the factory it
0:52:19not only is there a lot going on there
0:52:21it's pretty cool to see like all the
0:52:22crazy robots up up close and everything
0:52:25but it was impeccably clean oh I would
0:52:29have been a gourmet meal off the floor
0:52:31that factory and I say that only mildly
0:52:33sarcastically like yeah unbelievable it
0:52:36I the the floors in that factory are
0:52:39cleaner than the floors in my house by
0:52:41probably by a lot i mean.they it would
0:52:46like there wasn't even like like metal
0:52:48shavings or
0:52:50fine layer of dust from all this
0:52:51machining nothing like it was impeccably
0:52:55clean and and just everything about it
0:52:57was as stereotypically German like
0:53:00incredibly efficient clever reliable and
0:53:04and they you know these explanations
0:53:06were fantastic of everything and and we
0:53:08were just like walking on like you know
0:53:11one catwalk overlooking everything we
0:53:14will actually like any there was a bit
0:53:16of that we were actually walking like
0:53:17right through the factory floor and
0:53:19walking you know 10 feet away from the
0:53:21people who are building engines and
0:53:23everything I mean it was it was pretty
0:53:24cool and we really saw a lot of great
0:53:27stuff there and it was it was extremely
0:53:29worthwhile highly recommended
0:53:31yeah I couldn't agree more in a couple
0:53:32of highlights that I thought
0:53:34firstly the paint process which I guess
0:53:37this is covered in what show was it that
0:53:40you said you had watched you and tiff
0:53:41out on the Iron ya how it's made and I
0:53:44guess a lot of this is cut been covered
0:53:46in TV shows and documentaries and
0:53:47whatnot like how it's made
0:53:49but I thought it was incredible the way
0:53:51the painting process worked and so at
0:53:53one point were brought into a room where
0:53:55we see a hood it looked to me to be a
0:53:563-series hood but it was a hold of some
0:53:58say wasn't f30 3-series ok
0:54:00or was it bonnet if you're British is
0:54:02that right anyway so we see this hood
0:54:04and it's shows like the seven different
0:54:06seven ish different stages of the
0:54:08painting process and so it shows you
0:54:10know the raw metal and then it's getting
0:54:12a getting that gets a base coat and this
0:54:14and that and the other thing than all
0:54:15the way through to the clear coat and
0:54:17another great example of people caring
0:54:20about their jobs like Marcos been been
0:54:21saying all along is that the woman who
0:54:24was the tour guide
0:54:26somebody asked her not me i don't
0:54:27remember how they phrase the question
0:54:28but basically hey for what is it Arctic
0:54:31I was grows along
0:54:32Thank You frozen for the frozen that
0:54:34coat jobs the matte colors
0:54:36what do you do is it not clear coated or
0:54:39is it did you just skip the clearcoat
0:54:41step what happens in immediately without
0:54:44a hesitation she said no no it's just a
0:54:46different clearcoat process what does it
0:54:48have silicon or something absolutely
0:54:49Angeles and and so it was just really
0:54:52rewarding to have a tour guide that
0:54:54clearly knew what the crap she was
0:54:56talking about writing was able to answer
0:54:58without having to be like Oh arm
0:55:00hmm let me think i've been told this
0:55:03once during my training program for and
0:55:06I we were never there was no one who
0:55:08ever said oh we can't tell you that
0:55:11like that's a secret like every question
0:55:13somebody asked they answered and maybe
0:55:16i'm sure there were questions we could
0:55:18have come up with they wouldn't answer
0:55:19but every like there was nothing that
0:55:22was like oh we can only tell you what's
0:55:24been approved for the store like what is
0:55:26the stereo mic engine noises that come
0:55:29up we'll talk about that well the
0:55:305-series wasn't made in this plant this
0:55:32is a 3-series plant alright and the
0:55:35although the engine was the v8 is made
0:55:37in this plan so the other bit about the
0:55:40paint that i thought was incredible and
0:55:42again I guess this was old news to
0:55:43everyone but me but apparently and I'll
0:55:45get this backwards but the paint is
0:55:47positively charged in the chassis is
0:55:49negatively charged or perhaps vice versa
0:55:51so that when the paint is atomized and
0:55:54sprayed it's actually attracted to the
0:55:57body of the car which I just thought was
0:55:59so incredibly it like minimizes
0:56:01overspray and paint waste and everything
0:56:03right and then they had this likes this
0:56:05truth underneath the painting process
0:56:07that had running water beneath and
0:56:09apparently they can save like
0:56:10ninety-nine percent of the paint in that
0:56:13water that that's over spray it was
0:56:14really it was really ridiculous and then
0:56:16the other thing I thought was really
0:56:17incredible but the about the factory
0:56:19tour was we were able like Marco said a
0:56:21minute ago we were able to go see the
0:56:23engine building area engine room
0:56:26whatever you called it which i guess is
0:56:28not normal because I talked to a friend
0:56:29of mine who had just done it a few
0:56:31months ago and he said he didn't see
0:56:32that well anyway we got to go through
0:56:35and see some of these engines getting
0:56:36built and to be honest I mean it's
0:56:38exactly what you would expect about how
0:56:40an engine gets built but just seeing it
0:56:42live was extremely cool and I just
0:56:45geeked out on every moment of it I
0:56:47thought it was awesome it was
0:56:49interesting too late to hear so like
0:56:50takes that as part of the part of the
0:56:52tour they they told us what ratios they
0:56:55make these things and they were saying
0:56:56like everyday they make about a thousand
0:56:59of the new and 20 engines are the turbo
0:57:01four-cylinder the the 22 liter
0:57:04four-cylinder that are going into all of
0:57:05the x 28 models now and and they make it
0:57:10basically made like 1200 of those a day
0:57:12and then they don't they don't make the
0:57:15six cylinders in this plant but they
0:57:16made them in the four cylinders the
0:57:18eight and the giant 12 for the the 760
0:57:23and the rolls-royce's hit they said they
0:57:27make like 1200 of the of the
0:57:29four-cylinder i forgot i think it was
0:57:31like 200 or so of the eights and then
0:57:35like 30 of the to a house that's gonna
0:57:39give you some idea of why the the giant
0:57:42v12 engines cost so much
0:57:44it's because they're making like 30 of
0:57:46them a day in this giant Factory
0:57:50anyway that was awesome highly
0:57:52recommended and we're running a little
0:57:54long so I want to move on to the driving
0:57:56part
0:57:57so we leave here and the first thing we
0:57:59do is drive through the apps and go to
0:58:01our next destination which was lucerne
0:58:04switzerland and so we get to drive the
0:58:07autobahn the first time you just drive
0:58:09through the Alps a little bit and oh my
0:58:13god this car is ridiculous I mean I i
0:58:17cannot say it enough so ridiculously app
0:58:21with this car and even just having it
0:58:25for the few days i had it so far
0:58:28oh my god so first of all the dct is
0:58:33exactly as I as I thought it was it was
0:58:35exactly as I remembered it from that
0:58:37track day it was
0:58:39it's just awesome it compared to a
0:58:42six-speed this is the first and they
0:58:45were like North mystic and I'm very very
0:58:49happy I made the choice to go with it I
0:58:51don't regret not having a stick
0:58:52even now coming back to my stick cars
0:58:54for the next month and a half or two I I
0:58:58don't regret making that choice at all
0:58:59i'm very very happy with that choice now
0:59:01to that end so at this point in our
0:59:04story i have not driven the m5 yet i'm
0:59:07only a passenger and I i firstly I one
0:59:11note is that I wouldn't i don't think i
0:59:12will ever forget when we cleared munich
0:59:15and all of a sudden the speed
0:59:17restrictions one away and you unwound
0:59:19that car and next thing you know we're
0:59:21doing 110 120 easy Kelly
0:59:24legally and and and i cannot say enough
0:59:27good things about the German drivers
0:59:29because in America as we complained and
0:59:31moaned in in the episode alternate which
0:59:33was like 46 or something like that it
0:59:35was six American drivers especially
0:59:38Virginia anyway they tend to think that
0:59:40the left lane is a perfectly permissible
0:59:42travel lane and in Germany that is not
0:59:45the case people stayed right or state to
0:59:48the middle and only got left if they had
0:59:49to and if he and i was watching from the
0:59:52backseat if marco was approaching
0:59:54quickly someone in front of him
0:59:55eighty to ninety percent of the time
0:59:57that person got the crap out of the way
0:59:59is quickly
0:59:59is quickly
1:00:00possible and it was really unbelievable
1:00:01to watch but the other thing i want to
1:00:04note is that about the dct again at this
1:00:07point I have not yet driven it but from
1:00:09the backseat
1:00:10it was surprisingly good and I was in
1:00:13I've talked about this before my friend
1:00:15brian's r32 volkswagen r32 which had one
1:00:18of the earliest implementations of a
1:00:20dual-clutch gearbox and it was wonderful
1:00:24when you are driving hard but atrocious
1:00:26when you were just driving and it took
1:00:29Marco maybe a day to get to the point
1:00:32that he knew he understood the car well
1:00:35enough that you're driving around town
1:00:36it was like the world's best standard
1:00:39transmission driver and when you got on
1:00:41the gas
1:00:42it was the world's fastest standard
1:00:44transmission driver in from the back
1:00:45seat anyway it was really really nice
1:00:49and i remembers their full auto mode
1:00:50though as well
1:00:51yes mhm so i can use that around town as
1:00:54it just drive like you know and an
1:00:57automatic the only the only learning
1:00:58curve that I had that I had to do well
1:01:00there's to learn cause obviously there
1:01:01there's the break responsiveness
1:01:02learning curve which I I think whenever
1:01:04anybody gets into any different car it
1:01:07takes a moment you know a few minutes at
1:01:09least two to become smooth on the brakes
1:01:11especially when you have ridiculously
1:01:13large breaks like a like a high-end
1:01:15sports car where they're very powerful
1:01:18but the only learning curve ahead with
1:01:21the dct was when you go from zero to
1:01:23going you know in a regular standard
1:01:26transmission car you can kind of ease
1:01:29off the clutch and gradually make you
1:01:31know gradually get into it so that you
1:01:33take off fairly smoothly and when you're
1:01:35learning how to drive stick
1:01:37learning how to do that smoothly is not
1:01:39easy and and with the dct you know the
1:01:43dct is normally optimized for quick gear
1:01:46changes and so you're going from 0 to
1:01:48first if you want to quickly do that
1:01:50it's not going to be smooth it's going
1:01:51to be rich connect jolt you forward to
1:01:54starting second that's an option
1:01:56actually but that might have had the
1:01:58same issue anyways it's over 500
1:02:00horsepower is that is here is it's not
1:02:02graceful what's going on it but it has
1:02:05like this some kind of special detection
1:02:07we like it if it detects that you're
1:02:09trying to be gentle on the gas pedal
1:02:10going from 0 to first
1:02:12it will engage it slowly so it does it
1:02:17like sense that that's good to like if
1:02:19you're parallel parking or something you
1:02:21can creep you know as you as you need to
1:02:23win when you're doing small maneuvers
1:02:25like that so it but so it took me to be
1:02:28a solid day and a half or two days to
1:02:30learn how to do that reliably it's just
1:02:32like a feel thing you know but anyway
1:02:34yeah like once you learn to do that it
1:02:36it really is an incredibly smooth ride
1:02:39and in fact my wife commented on that a
1:02:41lot too because she is often in the car
1:02:43with me driving stick and I'm not that
1:02:46great at it that I can be perfectly
1:02:47smooth all the time and and so so she
1:02:52even commented how much smoother by far
1:02:54the dct was compared to the way I
1:02:57usually drive a stick and I was just so
1:03:00blown away by how fast an awesome it was
1:03:02I didn't I didn't care about the loss of
1:03:04roughness it's anyway so driving this
1:03:08thing you know as cases at the autobahn
1:03:09is fantastic 11 also a little little
1:03:11note that i thought was just one of
1:03:13those little delightful things that's
1:03:15just commonly good this speedometer in
1:03:18in this new car does not have because
1:03:20the us-spec are normally the aspect cars
1:03:22will have both km/h and miles per hour
1:03:25markings on them
1:03:26this one didn't this one only had miles
1:03:29per hour because it tests for the US and
1:03:31I guess the new one just don't do both
1:03:32anymore so I thought oh crap all the
1:03:36speed limit signs are in km/h i'm going
1:03:38to have to memorize what all of these
1:03:40translate two miles per hour to be to be
1:03:42able to drive legally and place the dual
1:03:44speed limits which is most places and so
1:03:49i think i think i mentioned in the in
1:03:51the extras show that one of the features
1:03:55of this car is a speed limit in feature
1:03:57that you actually use a camera mounted
1:03:59on the rear view mirror it skin it looks
1:04:02forward on the road and finds speed
1:04:05limit signs it detects them just by
1:04:07image recognition and it tells you what
1:04:10the current speed limit is and then it
1:04:13matches up that data sometimes it will
1:04:15it will have it in the navigation
1:04:16systems little know what the speed limit
1:04:18isn't certain roads it'll match it up
1:04:19with navigation system if it doesn't
1:04:20have a sign of hasn't seen the sign in
1:04:22awhile
1:04:23so anyway I this feature as we're
1:04:28driving you know that but here I am with
1:04:31a miles per hour meter seeing km/h signs
1:04:34it recognized the km/h signs and
1:04:38converted it for me two miles per hour
1:04:41rounded to the nearest five and so all
1:04:46the time i was driving
1:04:47whenever I saw speed limit sign about
1:04:50two seconds later it would pop up on the
1:04:52heads-up display and the speedometer
1:04:53little icon showing me what the current
1:04:56speed limit was in miles per hour
1:04:58that is awesome you got you clearly
1:05:03agree we had worked really well and well
1:05:06from what little i could tell from the
1:05:07backseat and the other thing I thought
1:05:09was really awesome is that they gave you
1:05:11and I mean I guess this isn't surprising
1:05:12but they gave you the maps for Europe
1:05:14because like you said this is a
1:05:15us-backed car doesn't usually come with
1:05:17European maps and the nav was perfectly
1:05:20from my perspective was perfectly easy
1:05:22to use granted every every Road in
1:05:24German is about 350 characters long for
1:05:27every road name is significant
1:05:28characters long but space to our
1:05:29extensive their spaces are very
1:05:31expensive and so two hours later when we
1:05:33finally wore through the eye dr and
1:05:36basically wore it down to a little
1:05:38numbing because we've been spinning it
1:05:40back and forth constantly entering all
1:05:41these 3 50 letters it actually worked
1:05:44really flawlessly and I thought that was
1:05:45awesome as well
1:05:46yeah and and reading speed limit thing
1:05:49like it there was never a time where
1:05:51things like I think twice it gets the
1:05:54wrong number or or interpret something
1:05:56that what that was supposed to interpret
1:05:57but like it's I mean it's even smart
1:05:59enough that a lot of the a lot of the
1:06:01roads there we'll have we'll have us a
1:06:04different speed limit if it's raining
1:06:05and and it's you know it's marked with a
1:06:08different sign will have like a speed
1:06:09limit sign and below a little rainy car
1:06:12sign it recognizes that and it checks in
1:06:15with the windshield wiper system and if
1:06:17the windshield wipers are on it will
1:06:19tell you that speed limit
1:06:20otherwise it'll keep the big speed limit
1:06:23i mean it's it's really crazy good
1:06:26so unexpectedly good anyway so it was
1:06:31really quite easy driving in foreign
1:06:33countries having both
1:06:36navigation system and the speed limit
1:06:38recognize her things so that there's
1:06:41rarely any doubt as to you know whether
1:06:43what I was doing was legal and what when
1:06:45where the heck we were going so that was
1:06:47that was quite nice technology certainly
1:06:50has made this kind of thing probably
1:06:51weighed easier LOL possibly less
1:06:53adventurous but but certainly way easier
1:06:56than it probably wasn't in the recent
1:06:57past
1:06:58well into that and one of us asked you
1:07:00or maybe you just shared it up of your
1:07:02own accord
1:07:03you know hey if this was 5 10 years ago
1:07:05navigation wasn't a normal thing would
1:07:07you have done the european delivery and
1:07:10and I mean that the time you had said
1:07:11yeah probably not
1:07:13yeah I probably wouldn't have you know
1:07:14because I would have been too
1:07:15intimidated to the drive-in unknown
1:07:18foreign countries especially where I
1:07:20have you know extremely limited to no
1:07:23communication abilities because it's not
1:07:26my home country and you know if I if I
1:07:28don't have a cell phone either
1:07:29forget about it but anyway so it was
1:07:33just a ridiculously awesome drive it's a
1:07:36ridiculously awesome car the autobahn is
1:07:38is so great and so much fun and you know
1:07:41to some extent it's just a highway you
1:07:44know and and a highway in one country
1:07:46and highway in another country they're
1:07:48in there they're mostly the same but I
1:07:51the experience of of seeing both both
1:07:55the quality of the roads and the quality
1:07:58of the drivers real and people in
1:08:02Germany think that there's a bunch of
1:08:03idiots on the road but trust me you you
1:08:05don't know that's trusting didn't know
1:08:07you don't
1:08:09so I mean the funny thing is i did not
1:08:12see not one instance of an idiot driver
1:08:15i saw some instances of people getting
1:08:17the left lane when I didn't think it was
1:08:19really necessary but it wasn't like
1:08:21people getting in the left lane and
1:08:23slowing down to 20 miles an hour it was
1:08:26people getting the left lane trying to
1:08:27pass when I wish they hadn't gotten in
1:08:29front of you you know was nothing it was
1:08:31nothing egregious and nothing terribly
1:08:33bad and I didn't see not one instance of
1:08:35anything that could even be mildly
1:08:37construed as road annoyance let alone
1:08:39let alone road rage
1:08:41yeah i don't think i saw this i mean if
1:08:43I caused any I didn't notice
1:08:45no i did not even just with you I mean
1:08:47just in general a lot of times when I'm
1:08:48driving on
1:08:49on a long trip like say to and from your
1:08:51guys's house you know you'll see people
1:08:53getting pissed off at each other and
1:08:54tailgating and waving their arms and so
1:08:56on and so forth and I saw none of that
1:08:58yeah it was the drivers were
1:09:00unbelievable yeah it was fantastic and
1:09:03and the roads are all at least the ones
1:09:04we drove on were just in fantastic shape
1:09:07and so that and that's why you know we
1:09:09we pose the question to ourselves and
1:09:12then later Twitter you know why can't
1:09:14the u.s. do this why can't the US have
1:09:17higher or no speed limits on many of its
1:09:21highways and we got a lot of good
1:09:23answers and I think part of the answer
1:09:24is just you know our roads our are often
1:09:27not in this good of shape I'm various
1:09:30you know vegetarian priority reasons .
1:09:33that's why are guys so cheap right let's
1:09:35get all those taxes on gasoline and go
1:09:37to pay for make the roads nice to drive
1:09:39LOL but we do have quite a bit of that
1:09:42and built into our prices but obviously
1:09:43not as much as they do I don't know that
1:09:46actually but I don't think it's as much
1:09:48as they do but so you know part of its
1:09:51just you know the roads they're the ones
1:09:53we were on where we're very well paved
1:09:54they weren't full of massive potholes or
1:09:57rough areas you know that they were
1:09:59really good shape and and part of its
1:10:02also just that the Dave it's always been
1:10:05this way for them or at least it's been
1:10:07this way for long enough with them so
1:10:09they're used to it you know I feel like
1:10:11if you if you took a section of the US
1:10:14and took some section of like you know I
1:10:1780 going through Pennsylvania which is
1:10:20basically the MPS road in the universe
1:10:22until it gets to ohio when it gets even
1:10:24emptier yeah someone's I have some
1:10:27experience with take you know the
1:10:30massive segments of i-80 where there is
1:10:32very little traffic and just very long
1:10:36stretches of mostly nothingness in a
1:10:38straight line you can easily safely go
1:10:4390 miles an hour on those easily and you
1:10:46can probably go faster than that in many
1:10:47many sections without really any major
1:10:51safety changes and so obviously that
1:10:55there are places in the US where we
1:10:57could do that and in Germany it's not
1:10:59that there's it's not that the highways
1:11:00never have speed limits
1:11:02just you know large sections of them
1:11:04will have no splits somebody on Twitter
1:11:06told me that roughly seventy percent of
1:11:08them have speed limits and so I'm not
1:11:11really sure how accurate that is you
1:11:12know one person told me that but that
1:11:16certainly seem to match up to what we
1:11:17saw
1:11:19what's interesting though is that their
1:11:21speed limit most the most common people
1:11:24but I saw there when it was limited was
1:11:28130 km/h which is roughly 85 miles an
1:11:31hour
1:11:32I hope that's right that's what the
1:11:33speed limit in 41 ok so i told me 50 s
1:11:40it round up to the nearest fire will
1:11:42also consider that I don't know about
1:11:43your BMW is all three of them at this
1:11:46particular moment but I'm I one BMW my
1:11:48pedestrian 1 B&W all kidding aside my
1:11:51speedometer seems to roll or seems to
1:11:53run about 45 miles an hour fast so 80
1:11:57miles an hour in my car as 80 miles an
1:12:00hour indicated is act is about seventy
1:12:02six ish actual that's good i mean that's
1:12:05that's that's the way that's the direct
1:12:07if it's going to be an error you want to
1:12:08be in that direction
1:12:09I wonder if the the snow tires affected
1:12:11your speedo accuracy
1:12:13actually that's a good point well
1:12:14because they are BMWs official rims and
1:12:17tires and they have like you know custom
1:12:19pressure sensors and everything I would
1:12:21imagine the car has some way that's how
1:12:23that also this car isn't stock it runs
1:12:2719 inch wheels and the 20-inch wheels
1:12:30are an option so it's possible that it
1:12:33detects which one you're running order
1:12:35some kind of setting somewhere i'm not
1:12:37really sure but it's AII it's obvious
1:12:40it's made to run both of those sizes and
1:12:43presumably even if the circumference
1:12:44azhar different between 1920 the gps is
1:12:46going to be accurate
1:12:47regardless that's true but the party is
1:12:51entitled anyway so you know I'm one
1:12:56thing I thought was interesting too is
1:12:57in the areas where there was no speed
1:13:01limit i was paying attention to see how
1:13:04fast do people choose to go but I think
1:13:07that's an interesting question like okay
1:13:08if it's totally unlimited and you're
1:13:10only limits are you know practicality
1:13:12safety and fuel economy
1:13:15how fast do people generally choose to
1:13:16go and and it seemed like what I what I
1:13:20mostly saw four people going between 80
1:13:23and 90 and it didn't really seem that
1:13:27fast it seemed normal
1:13:29everyone's going that same speed roughly
1:13:30and and and i mean that in miles of
1:13:34course and it just worked that was like
1:13:37that was like everyone's like kind of
1:13:39natural cruising speed on these roads
1:13:41they do that in Atlanta to but it
1:13:43doesn't feel so good
1:13:44well like you know here at you know most
1:13:47of the roads around here where the speed
1:13:50limit is 65 on the interstates I usually
1:13:55see people going about 75 to 80 that
1:13:58seems to be the average cruising speed
1:14:00on like the new york thruway and various
1:14:03large highways around here is roughly 75
1:14:05to 80 and so it seems like you know it
1:14:10seems like we're already going almost
1:14:12that speed and it were just breaking the
1:14:15law is there and it's usually legal to
1:14:18do that speed that's an income source
1:14:20like it whenever you take a long trip
1:14:21everyone is cruising around 75 80 85
1:14:24depending on the car but this is periods
1:14:26of time where everyone goes slow the way
1:14:28down and then you go past the cop and
1:14:30everyone's back up again writing sample
1:14:31dance that you do on your way to
1:14:33wherever you're going exactly what I
1:14:36also thought it was interesting because
1:14:37we were able to visit with a friend of
1:14:40Marco and tips and Marco ask this
1:14:42question to to his friend and she had
1:14:45said what did you say that she would do
1:14:47somewhere in the range of ninety to a
1:14:49hundred miles an hour is that right she
1:14:51said she would do up to about 180
1:14:52kilometers so what does that miles about
1:14:54hundred that's i don't know i had 110
1:14:56someone that anyway yeah so and yeah I
1:14:59think I think it's about 110 anyway
1:15:02regardless and and I found you know when
1:15:05I when I had no limit in this car that
1:15:07can very very easily do these speeds you
1:15:11know might the highest speed i reach
1:15:12that i noticed at least the highest-paid
1:15:14arias was about a hundred and forty-one
1:15:16and we actually have a picture of the
1:15:18speedometer thanks to its quick and it's
1:15:21a really good picture actually posted on
1:15:22Twitter few days ago so about a hundred
1:15:25forty-one with my highest i found that
1:15:27in the moment areas I
1:15:28is most comfortable going about 115 and
1:15:33a lot of that of course it was that was
1:15:34that the winter tires you know there was
1:15:36there's a good amount of vibration of
1:15:38those pieces that you can feel through
1:15:39the wheels i would imagine the summer
1:15:41tires would feel squishy here at those
1:15:44speeds and and therefore may be
1:15:45encouraged me to go even faster but you
1:15:48know there's it's not just you on the
1:15:49road there's all the other cars on the
1:15:51road and you know you don't want to you
1:15:53don't want to blow past somebody who's
1:15:55like at a stop in the next Lane you
1:15:58don't blow past them at 115 you know
1:16:00what if they cut out and go into your
1:16:01lane you want to leave yourself leave
1:16:04yourself good amount of safety overhead
1:16:06so I generally found it like you know
1:16:09with with all no limit stuff i would i
1:16:12would generally crews about 115 so you
1:16:15know we're not that far off from that
1:16:17here like you know it if we could if we
1:16:20could raise the speed limits here into
1:16:22the 85 range you know that that's that's
1:16:26not bad i don't want normal cars can't
1:16:29do that though like so many people Mars
1:16:31can't came 250 or shouldn't do anything
1:16:33they can they can hit that speed but it
1:16:35feels like the world's going to end well
1:16:37they should not be you shouldn't take
1:16:38your like none of my car that I own
1:16:40should I ever been going 215 and ever in
1:16:43any circumstance not because they can
1:16:44attain that speed but because it was
1:16:46like at that point that we will be
1:16:47shaking the steering will feel like it's
1:16:49disconnected from the road and like a
1:16:51fit any second . it's not I mean cars it
1:16:53that's the guy's a big problem i think
1:16:55the the at maybe it's I don't know the
1:16:57system status but every time I see
1:16:59pictures of Europe and stuff people seem
1:17:00to have not nicer cars not bigger cars
1:17:03not more powerful cars but like either
1:17:05better maintained or newer looking cars
1:17:07because I see lots of giant rusted-out
1:17:10hunk of junk cars around here that they
1:17:12shouldn't even be going 80 let alone
1:17:14hundred something do you have state
1:17:16inspections there and are they very true
1:17:17but it's not a scam i mean you know like
1:17:20anyway I i look at cars in the room like
1:17:21there's no way that that estimate but it
1:17:24. you know you just find the guy who
1:17:25will you know Brian inspection thing or
1:17:27you just just don't get inspected and
1:17:28just you know
1:17:29press your locking although the one
1:17:32thing i will say isn't this might all be
1:17:34in my head but especially when we were
1:17:36in the cities like with in Munich I feel
1:17:38like the the emissions regulations in
1:17:41your
1:17:42must be considerably less strict than
1:17:44America because I felt like everywhere I
1:17:47went I smelled exhaust and I don't know
1:17:49Marco did you notice that as well but
1:17:51there was yeah it was more certainly
1:17:53more than I smell here
1:17:55right exactly where you'd like it isn't
1:17:57a diesel their diesel standards are not
1:17:58as crazy as our switches way you'll get
1:18:00away with driving diesel so some
1:18:02combination of lower standards for
1:18:04diesel admission and way way more
1:18:05diesels gives you you know exactly and
1:18:08that's also why a lot of the great
1:18:09diesel models can't make it over to the
1:18:10US because they don't pass our
1:18:12certifications and it's not worth the
1:18:14manufacturers you know doing what it
1:18:16takes to pass them for the for the few
1:18:18Americans who by diesels
1:18:20so anyway yeah I didn't decide and
1:18:24that's weird because you would expect
1:18:25Europe to have more strict standards and
1:18:27i was like i usually how it works with
1:18:29environmental stuff but but in this case
1:18:32they actually yeah it I i did notice
1:18:34that that was definitely odd but anyway
1:18:38so and and I i should say too if anyone
1:18:42is interested in this topic
1:18:44who knows if you are if you're not sorry
1:18:45driving 140 and at these speeds that
1:18:50high on a road that's made to be driven
1:18:53fairly fast I isn't really that it
1:18:59doesn't really feel that crazy it feels
1:19:01it feels intense to some degree like
1:19:03it's more it's more exhausting of your
1:19:07concentration and it's more mentally
1:19:10exhausting because you are going so much
1:19:13faster
1:19:14you know you're going so much faster you
1:19:16need to concentrate harder on keeping
1:19:19the car straight and steady cut and and
1:19:21making sure you don't hit anything or
1:19:23making sure you're minimizing your
1:19:24chances of hitting somebody else like i
1:19:27said earlier you know you gotta get a
1:19:29wonder like somebody if i'm passing
1:19:31somebody and I'm going 30 miles an hour
1:19:34faster than they are you know what
1:19:36happens if they decide to quickly change
1:19:38in my land they don't see how fashion
1:19:40coming up you know and what you know do
1:19:42i will have time to see that and slow
1:19:43down etc so those kind of considerations
1:19:47make it more stressful and more mentally
1:19:50draining but that's really the extent of
1:19:54it like if you're in a car
1:19:55made for that or at least if your car is
1:19:57not rattling and falling apart at those
1:20:00speeds that for me is what I find to be
1:20:03the biggest challenge was just just
1:20:05mentally keeping up with it and but
1:20:08otherwise it was it was quite awesome
1:20:10that
1:20:11yeah and it was interesting to be in the
1:20:13backseat while this was going on because
1:20:15to be honest the difference between
1:20:17American highway speeds and unlimited
1:20:19autobahn speeds was that the wind was
1:20:22louder other than Nick there at it
1:20:25really didn't seem that different and in
1:20:28fact when we slowed down to American
1:20:30highway speeds
1:20:31I felt like we were doing like 30 miles
1:20:34an hour it felt so low it's crucial it
1:20:36was it was terrible from the backseat
1:20:38and I mean it let's be honest if I was
1:20:40going to choose a car to be in the
1:20:42backseat of it i would choose a car with
1:20:45rear heated seats with rear dual-zone
1:20:47climate with an engine that had infinite
1:20:50power from any RPM in any gear
1:20:53I mean it was it was it was a lovely
1:20:56place to be
1:20:57even in the backseat and I mean it's
1:21:00it's an incredible vehicle you know I
1:21:02don't want to hurt too much on it
1:21:03because i know we're gonna get ahold of
1:21:05people who think I'm a total for buy an
1:21:07expensive car and and that's that's
1:21:09warranted i am told and I apologize for
1:21:12being a total but oh well now i can't do
1:21:16anything about it now as well but so you
1:21:18know I don't hurt too much on the car
1:21:20but it is a ridiculously great car and
1:21:23it has totally ruined my 3 series by a
1:21:28long shot now coming back to a totally
1:21:30ruin that car and and i like that car a
1:21:32lot to have you driven the 1m since the
1:21:34trip
1:21:34I in fact I driver today for the first
1:21:36time and how was that you know it was
1:21:40interesting it was first of all it it
1:21:42was not ruined by the m5 I'm good
1:21:45I I still I still love driving it
1:21:47however it still is and i even thought
1:21:51briefly during the ride
1:21:52you know maybe I should try to keep it
1:21:54somehow and keep it with the m5 and keep
1:21:58having three cars but as much as I
1:22:02because it is it is an incredible
1:22:04american amount amount of power the m5
1:22:07has more power
1:22:08but the the 1m is an incredible amount
1:22:10of power in a very small nimble car and
1:22:15the m5 is many things but it is not
1:22:17small and and so I thought briefly you
1:22:22know I should really maybe consider this
1:22:24but then when I went over the other half
1:22:27of the trip that the way home was so
1:22:31incredibly rough and bumpy from the
1:22:32terrible roads here and the 1m is really
1:22:36really firm and so to go over rough you
1:22:39know rough potholes and stuff an old
1:22:41pavement it is pretty uncomfortable on
1:22:43the one hand and and going over that I
1:22:47realize you know what a I i think you
1:22:50know it it is a great car had so much
1:22:53fun with it but as i've mentioned in
1:22:56previous shows having three cars is
1:22:58greatly annoying to me or you know
1:22:59having two primaries myself is greatly
1:23:02annoying to me and it has many small and
1:23:06large annoyances every single day and
1:23:08it's just as great of cars it is it's
1:23:11not worth it to me if I if I have
1:23:13something as awesome as the m5 it's not
1:23:15worth it to me so I'm going to sell it
1:23:19anyway so I forget we also wanted to go
1:23:24with oh yes so the other place we went
1:23:26with the m5 so so we did we did we get
1:23:28our trip around Europe and it was a
1:23:29blast
1:23:30one of the places we stopped was to
1:23:34visit our friend in bond and bond is
1:23:37only about 45 minutes from newburgh and
1:23:41most people listen to the show have
1:23:45probably heard of a track in nürnberg
1:23:48now whatever you think of the
1:23:52Nurburgring and of cars you know being
1:23:55made for it and being optimized for it
1:23:58and the kinds of people who drive the
1:24:00Nurburgring i would suggest if you ever
1:24:04have a chance to do it if you're ever in
1:24:07the area with a car that you can drive
1:24:09on or if you want to rent one that which
1:24:11they have services that you can rent
1:24:13cars to drive on the rink
1:24:15I cannot recommend it highly enough
1:24:19and so here the Nurburgring is not
1:24:22explained very well no it is not that we
1:24:28so we we went I went to the Nurburgring
1:24:31site and found its address and GPS
1:24:34coordinates and so I find a dress and
1:24:37touching the gps I had a great turns out
1:24:41that the Nurburgring I knew it was two
1:24:45tracks there's like the Grand Prix one
1:24:47and then I'm so sorry for the
1:24:48pronunciation the North she'll if I
1:24:51don't know that's when people refer to
1:24:53the Nurburgring they're usually
1:24:54referring to the north left which is
1:24:55like the the long 13-mile very twisty
1:24:59turny track i wasn't mean like North
1:25:01circuit or something like that or
1:25:03something like that yeah actually that
1:25:05makes it ok anyway so the place called
1:25:10nürburgring on the GPS system was for
1:25:13the grand prix circuit it was like it
1:25:15was this giant like info building and
1:25:17like gift shop and bought this stuff for
1:25:19the grand prix rollercoaster yeah
1:25:21exactly what it was like a little mini
1:25:22theme park so we got week
1:25:25it took us a good 45 minutes to find the
1:25:31to find out how to get the little credit
1:25:33card thing that lets you onto the track
1:25:36and then define the entrance to the
1:25:38track we had like running and ask people
1:25:40it was it was a it was comical we we
1:25:44barely made it in time to get any laps
1:25:46in and they're only open for like two
1:25:48hours at night on weekdays for to the
1:25:51public the rest like the whole day
1:25:52they're booked by private people and
1:25:54they're open they're open to the public
1:25:55and the evenings and none of the posted
1:25:58times were accurate like the website so
1:26:00they were open from five to 530-730
1:26:03turns out they're open from 5 15 7 15
1:26:06and the and the ticket office closes at
1:26:09five like there's all sorts of little
1:26:10crazy crazy little like gotchas in the
1:26:13process and all you have to get you to
1:26:15get the ring card from this machine but
1:26:16that machine's broken or that mission is
1:26:17closed and then you get the ring card
1:26:20you put the money in the ring card but
1:26:21your credit card because the interface
1:26:23sucks and I knew he finally got the
1:26:25money on the credit card and you go try
1:26:27to pull up and get into the ring but you
1:26:28didn't get the money into laps you go to
1:26:30a different machine for the
1:26:31it was it was comical to John's point I
1:26:35think Johnny would ask early on when did
1:26:37things go wrong things went very wrong
1:26:39at the nürburgring yeah and and not
1:26:41currently not in the collision sense but
1:26:43in the sense of just trying to find it
1:26:45and get on it was they were you trying
1:26:47to get on the the formula one short
1:26:49thing or the build a big thing the big
1:26:50liar and a long one and it was just it
1:26:53was impossibly poorly supplied named
1:26:55there was an assumption that you knew
1:26:57what you were doing before you even got
1:26:59there right
1:27:00it was just it was not well done which
1:27:03maybe is why they're bank robbers it
1:27:04isn't does not noob friendly at all no
1:27:07although I will say it was pretty it was
1:27:09a pretty good sign when we decided to
1:27:11fuel up before the Nurburgring which I
1:27:13know all the real racecar drivers like
1:27:14Jesus Christ why did you do that right
1:27:16before you went on the track but we
1:27:18wanted to make sure we have enough gas
1:27:19and so we pulled into this gas station
1:27:20and i think i tweeted a picture of like
1:27:23six or seven different Porsches a
1:27:25Ferrari of some flavor I john i'm sorry
1:27:27i don't recall what it was there was a 1
1:27:29series am like 22 spots down there must
1:27:32laminating east and now it was really
1:27:35really i didn't see I don't but it
1:27:36doesn't matter the point is that was
1:27:37like one or two million dollars with the
1:27:39cars at this like kind of junky gasps
1:27:42very small gas to hit I had like six
1:27:44pumps you know it's not exactly
1:27:45yeah so it was crazy but anyway so
1:27:48eventually Marco in in tiffin Darren and
1:27:51I figure out how to get onto the ring
1:27:54yeah and so Marco of course goes first
1:27:57yeah and and it was you know we were
1:28:00prepped early on by by lots of our
1:28:03various internet friends and i had
1:28:05actually I had purchased I think for
1:28:08staff or whatever xbox racing game has
1:28:12the Nurburgring in it and it's fairly
1:28:13recent I think it's 44 I don't know much
1:28:16about those those uh so sorry if I got
1:28:18it wrong but i purchased this game like
1:28:20three months ago knowing I was going to
1:28:23try to drive the Nurburgring just to try
1:28:25to train myself on a little bit just to
1:28:27familiarize myself with the track just
1:28:28to know you know what turns are coming
1:28:29up and and and I at the time i posted on
1:28:33Twitter first asking you know what game
1:28:35I should get to do this and then you
1:28:37know later on just seeing responses from
1:28:39people asking how it was going and
1:28:41by far the most common response i got
1:28:43after got through all the people
1:28:46fighting over whether granturismo or
1:28:49Forza was the better game to get because
1:28:51i have a ps3 and so I said okay I can do
1:28:54either of these systems you know what
1:28:56should i get oh my god don't don't ask
1:28:58about video game rivalries on Twitter it
1:29:01is so so unhelpful but it anyway
1:29:05the most common response i got besides
1:29:08that was don't even bother it won't help
1:29:11you at all because this track has like
1:29:1370-something turns you're not going to
1:29:16learn from the video game it people who
1:29:17drive it every day for years don't know
1:29:19it like it you know it don't even bother
1:29:21is it is what these people usually said
1:29:24and and overall I can say that was
1:29:26exactly correct that all my videogame
1:29:30training for this track was completely
1:29:32unhelpful in real life of course in real
1:29:35life it's way easier than a video game
1:29:37because you know you're controlling a
1:29:38real car just way easier than driving a
1:29:40videogame car of course the penalties
1:29:42are hired to hit the law but overall I
1:29:46it was awesome it would we were scared
1:29:50out of our minds and we didn't drive
1:29:53very fast i think we we didn't measure
1:29:55most Alaskans with another thing people
1:29:57said online was don't even bother time
1:30:00your laughs because then it will
1:30:01encourage you to go faster and you don't
1:30:03need that kind of encouragement your
1:30:04first time to bring in your own car and
1:30:08that was also very wise so we did not
1:30:11time our laps except for Casey stuck in
1:30:13a time of the last lap I wish that which
1:30:15was about 15 minutes and it felt we had
1:30:17passengers in the car for every lap
1:30:19obviously we're driving it feels
1:30:20different when you're a passenger that
1:30:21you can kind of get an idea for you know
1:30:23how how well you're doing and and it
1:30:26seemed like all the last week is roughly
1:30:28the same time ring so I think we all
1:30:30managed about 15-minute laps but what I
1:30:34was very happy with but so anyway 111
1:30:37problem we had was okay we got there and
1:30:40there was like an hour and a half left
1:30:41of time the track was open and we had
1:30:44four people and we knew we wanted to at
1:30:46least two laps at least me and casey and
1:30:48the wires were both kind of on the fence
1:30:50whether they wanted to do it or not they
1:30:52were a wait-and-see and so
1:30:55I did my lap it was ridiculous it was
1:30:58how it was so awesome and again you know
1:31:02we're doing like 15 minutes we weren't
1:31:03even going that fast
1:31:05you know I think most of the time we
1:31:06were going maybe 50 miles an hour
1:31:07through a lot of the terms and through a
1:31:09lot of the sections or or less you know
1:31:11I went faster on the Autobahn really
1:31:13like my top speed of the Nurburgring
1:31:15that big straight away at the end was
1:31:16like 120 you know I'd like I haven't
1:31:19passed on the Autobahn did on the
1:31:20Nurburgring by the the lap record for
1:31:23the long track is six minutes 11 seconds
1:31:25yeah to give you an idea of how fast the
1:31:27crazy fast people are going right and i
1:31:29think i think people in this exact car i
1:31:33think they've done it in like 7 55 or
1:31:35seven something in in the seven-minute
1:31:38range but regardless doesn't matter you
1:31:41know we were we were doing it to do it
1:31:43not to get a good time on it where there
1:31:46are other people on the track who were
1:31:47going really fast that you had to get
1:31:49out of the way of the that we lucked out
1:31:52though that it wasn't very crowded they
1:31:54were there weren't that many cars i
1:31:56would say for each 15-minute lap we were
1:31:59probably passed by it maybe 10 people at
1:32:01most i wasn't it wasn't a large number
1:32:04and there were a lot of people there
1:32:05did you see any super exotics I'm not
1:32:08really they were there were a lot of
1:32:10porsche 911 and out of them a few m
1:32:14threes and a couple of little hot
1:32:15hatches that I didn't recognize there
1:32:17was a Corvette yeah there's one Corvette
1:32:19I don't know why that is anyone but it
1:32:22was exotic 01 its kind of exotic to see
1:32:24what not only think it was a zr1 I
1:32:26didn't get a good look
1:32:27we were surprised to see in Germany and
1:32:30and there was one really decked out
1:32:33lexus is-f that was just being obviously
1:32:38being driven by somebody there either
1:32:40very good or very stupid i think
1:32:42probably just very good because that car
1:32:45passed us faster than any car we saw
1:32:47that it got there is a factory test
1:32:50driver
1:32:50no but I think I got a picture of it and
1:32:53it was actually a rental car so wow I
1:32:55don't like I believe i might be wrong
1:32:57about this it was an orange is f and it
1:33:00was our very last lap which is when
1:33:01Aaron was driving and it it was followed
1:33:04reasonably closely by modern m3 but just
1:33:07like Marco said
1:33:08far away in my opinion the quickest
1:33:10thing that passed us was that is f it
1:33:13blew our doors off and again like Marco
1:33:15said it's important to know that we were
1:33:17I I can only speak for myself but I was
1:33:19driving it like five tenths because a
1:33:21it's a card never been in be I've never
1:33:24driven on a track before see it's still
1:33:27under break-in you know I don't win
1:33:29indeed it's on winter tires i mean it
1:33:30was it was a confluence of reasons not
1:33:32to drive like an idiot and in especially
1:33:36I don't want Marco to never talk to me
1:33:37again after i wrapped his m5 around a
1:33:40pole because I drove like a moron right
1:33:41so now I mean we were all driving like
1:33:44grandma's but it was still one of the
1:33:47coolest experiences I've ever had in my
1:33:49intent and what made it great to is it
1:33:51all four of us drove me and Casey drove
1:33:53and both our wives drove and and KN 0 KC
1:33:56case your wife is a pretty confident
1:33:58driver
1:33:59my wife is is medium confidence you know
1:34:02not not especially confident about
1:34:04driving but not you know not scared just
1:34:07right in the middle is which one of you
1:34:11felt the least inhibited you would think
1:34:13Marco at least interview sites his car
1:34:15you can do whatever you want to but on
1:34:16the other hand it's his card maybe baby
1:34:18it so I was thinking that uh before
1:34:20hearing that yeah tiff is kind of a
1:34:22timid driver that she would be the one
1:34:23most willing to flog it because hey it's
1:34:26not her car and if she breaks it was
1:34:28gonna do
1:34:29tiff actually had i measured are times i
1:34:32bet she did a faster lap than I did
1:34:34because she she took some of the terms
1:34:37faster than I was willing to because i
1:34:39had i did the first lap and and so when
1:34:43I was driving it we didn't know what to
1:34:45expect with things like other people
1:34:47being on the track things like track
1:34:48conditions like there's one part of the
1:34:51track that had snow on the shoulder
1:34:53because it was in the shade and you know
1:34:56anyway like there were no we don't know
1:34:57what the conditions would be we didn't
1:34:59know what it would be you know how it be
1:35:01in real life we didn't know if it would
1:35:02be full of crazy motorcyclists or
1:35:04anything we had no idea and so my lap
1:35:07was the very first lap so I was overly
1:35:10cautious i think and I'm very I'm
1:35:13perfectly fine having having done that
1:35:15like I lost grip for a split second on
1:35:19one turn and that was the only time I
1:35:20lost grip
1:35:21at all and I don't I didn't notice
1:35:25anyone i was in the car for all four
1:35:26laps i didn't notice anyone else losing
1:35:27me grip but that all the the electric
1:35:30nannies are on the right yes
1:35:31oh yeah i would not I i know that's
1:35:33probably tip terrible for purest I
1:35:35didn't even use the M dynamic mode that
1:35:37the M cars have to allow a little bit of
1:35:39sleep and then get back on track
1:35:41I didn't even turn that on because I
1:35:43knew like you know what this is because
1:35:45I we were also told by our friend and i
1:35:48think this is true that insurance
1:35:50doesn't really apply if something
1:35:52happens to you on the Nurburgring so and
1:35:55more than that if we bust the ring it's
1:35:58on us to fix it yet like they bill us to
1:36:00fix it you have you like if you hit the
1:36:02wall though the ability to repair the
1:36:03wall its oh but I mean obviously
1:36:06preparing your car's probably more money
1:36:08than that so you know we were we were
1:36:12nervous you know I was nervous because
1:36:13of unfamiliarity with this and not want
1:36:16to wreck my car and everyone else was
1:36:18nervous to not wrecked my car
1:36:20pickens oh very much so its eggs except
1:36:23for every tip well she was new it was
1:36:27funny because Aaron went last it was it
1:36:29was Marco than me then
1:36:31tifton Aaron and I actually feel to my
1:36:35to my butt dyno as they say I actually
1:36:38feel like erin was the one that drove
1:36:40hardest in I don't know if that's
1:36:43because i was in the front for that lap
1:36:45and so I could see it a little better
1:36:46whereas i thought i don't know i was
1:36:48looking for you were to confer tips left
1:36:50i wasn't in the car for I was not in the
1:36:52car for tips lap so i can't speak for
1:36:53how hard she was driving but i think
1:36:55both Tiffany and had the benefit of
1:36:57having been through at least one or two
1:36:59laps before your hands athlete and I
1:37:01think you would have driven a lot harder
1:37:02i don't know if i had the the cojones to
1:37:05drive any harder than i did and i drove
1:37:06like a grandmother i'll be the first to
1:37:08admit it but I there a couple times
1:37:11where I reached for my my break in the
1:37:13passenger seat when Aaron was driving
1:37:15and I don't undergo good way i mean i
1:37:17thought i was very proud of her i was
1:37:19very excited for how well she did their
1:37:21minds are reaching for a stick shift
1:37:22occasionally more pressing your left
1:37:25foot down
1:37:26I did not actually i think when i
1:37:27started the car i put my foot on the
1:37:30clutch exactly was not much but other
1:37:31than that I didn't
1:37:32and again I mean at this point now I'm I
1:37:35have driven the m5 and i would still
1:37:37personally love to have a clutch it's
1:37:41slower it's clunkier but it's just more
1:37:44involved with that said and I'm a
1:37:46butcher the simpsons quote you know it I
1:37:49for one welcome our future dct overlords
1:37:52I mean I i never thought i'd say this
1:37:54but if if the m5 transmission is where
1:37:56our future is I'll be sad but I'll be
1:38:00okay with it is really unbelievably
1:38:03incredibly awesomely great i cannot say
1:38:06enough good things about it and by all
1:38:08accounts the stick on the m5 is not a
1:38:10good stick correct by any standards let
1:38:12alone BMW standards well yeah I'm not
1:38:14really much of a choice there yet
1:38:15I mean I saw the reviews have all pretty
1:38:18much pan the m5 stick but they they seem
1:38:20to pan it in in relation to the dct I
1:38:24mean it is it isn't that it's a bad
1:38:26stick is that he seems like a good it
1:38:28seems like it's a bad stick like that
1:38:30you know it
1:38:32I especially when you're reading
1:38:33magazines that are enthusiastic
1:38:34magazines let's say look we know its
1:38:36lower whatever we find more trouble
1:38:37they're like we don't find it more fun
1:38:39to drive like so there's no reason to
1:38:41get this DVD is better and all these
1:38:43other ways and this isn't even more fun
1:38:44it's it's dino to chor beyond the on the
1:38:49prior m5 whose model designation I don't
1:38:51recall but the v10 m5 everything i read
1:38:53was that the standard transmission which
1:38:55by the way for both that car in Marcos
1:38:57f10 is only available in America
1:38:59everyone said on the prior general that
1:39:02the standard transmission was very
1:39:04poorly suited for the v10 engine and I
1:39:07never really looked into why that was
1:39:08and so I I couldn't even tell you but
1:39:10they said it was a bad combination i
1:39:12guess the gearing was bad as paired with
1:39:14that engine and I don't know if thats
1:39:16related for for the f10 like Marco has
1:39:18but I tell you what that that
1:39:20transmission was incredible in and
1:39:22driving the Nurburgring was just
1:39:23unbelievably awesome and I'm so thankful
1:39:25that that we're all late that any of us
1:39:28were able to do what I would've been
1:39:29happy if Marco did it and said to us you
1:39:30know what new we gotta go but thankfully
1:39:34he was dumb enough to hand me the keys
1:39:36figuratively speaking and then dumb
1:39:38enough to I can't speak for tiff but to
1:39:40hand Aaron the keys as well and that's
1:39:42not insulting her driving just I mean
1:39:43it's one thing to have your wife destroy
1:39:46your brand-new car it's another thing to
1:39:47have
1:39:48friend or your friend's wife to strike
1:39:49and destroy your brand new car so I it
1:39:51was it was phenomenal and it was funny
1:39:53because to in market was starting to say
1:39:55this earlier but it was kinda like hmm i
1:39:58don't know if i want to go right and you
1:39:59and she actually so I want first thing
1:40:01case you want to prolong from my lap got
1:40:04very intimidated and set out for casey's
1:40:08lap and what made her get back in and
1:40:11decided she wanted to do it is that she
1:40:14saw the kind of car that we're getting
1:40:16on the track and it wasn't just all
1:40:18crazy racer nuts
1:40:20it was like families and people with
1:40:23like car seats in their car and I think
1:40:25really regular people just getting on to
1:40:28have some fun you know and not to drive
1:40:30crazily and she could also see like how
1:40:32relatively few cars are getting on the
1:40:34track and so it was it was not crowded
1:40:36committed very very friendly towards
1:40:38newbies and and even know when somebody
1:40:41crazy wants to pass you
1:40:42there's etiquette you could use signal
1:40:44right and you slowly and you stay to the
1:40:46right and that tells them
1:40:48ok I'm let you pass me and they pass you
1:40:50and I said it's really easy and and so
1:40:52like it's not really a problem that
1:40:55there's different skill levels and
1:40:56different speeds going on and at least
1:41:00we were there there was really nobody
1:41:01being like unsafely crazy i mean i know
1:41:03that happens but we saw in a state that
1:41:07it was extremely newbie friendly once
1:41:10you could figure out where the heck the
1:41:11entranceways people in the other nice
1:41:14thing was well we had all decided about
1:41:16a hundred yards into marcos lap that hey
1:41:19you know what we'll do is anyone who is
1:41:21not driving will at least periodically
1:41:23look behind us and start to let the
1:41:26driver know there's somebody approaching
1:41:28us 15 seconds ten seconds five seconds
1:41:30alright get right and that helped me i
1:41:33can't speak for anyone else but it
1:41:34helped me a lot a lot because because
1:41:37this way you don't have to worry about
1:41:38what's behind you all you care about is
1:41:40what's in front of you and just like
1:41:41Marco said the etiquette is you if
1:41:43you're going to get past you stay to the
1:41:44right
1:41:45even if that's the inside line you
1:41:47signal to the right as an indicator to
1:41:49the person behind you I understand
1:41:51you're here and you're going to pass me
1:41:53and then the other thing i noticed which
1:41:55I hadn't heard advanced was a lot of
1:41:56times they would signal to the left as
1:41:58kind of a confirmation as a gon
1:42:01that they've seen you seeing them which
1:42:05is silly as that sounds was actually
1:42:06also really really helpful to see and
1:42:09know that everyone is in agreement
1:42:11you're about to get your doors blown off
1:42:12but you know if you stick to the right
1:42:14side of the track everyone will be ok
1:42:15right and and people who are who are
1:42:17good / crazy enough to go around the
1:42:20track really fast they're accustomed to
1:42:22passing people all the time because they
1:42:24have to you know because that's because
1:42:26there's always going to be you know that
1:42:27no matter what speed you go you're going
1:42:28to pass you will accept us i don't think
1:42:30we have to pass anybody entire time I
1:42:32don't think any of us did go out again I
1:42:34wasn't with tiff but i don't think i'm
1:42:36pretty sure we didn't press my stomach
1:42:37and there were a lot of really really
1:42:40comparatively crummy cars that passed us
1:42:42like a lot of it yet case you got passed
1:42:45by what we what we charitably are
1:42:46calling a crossover but it was a minivan
1:42:49it really is that is not a lie and I'm
1:42:51okay with it because again I'm just so
1:42:53thankful that we were able to do it i am
1:42:55so thankful that not a one of us wrapped
1:42:57marcos car around a pole
1:42:59I'm also thankful for so yeah I mean it
1:43:03was we should wrap it up pretty soon but
1:43:05i think it was it was an incredible
1:43:08experience doing european delivery
1:43:10driving this particular car especially
1:43:13and and being on these roads being on
1:43:17the Autobahn be a driving in the Alps
1:43:20being you know going to the Nurburgring
1:43:23and it was it was just incredible and if
1:43:28you have if you're already buying a new
1:43:31BMW which I recognize that's that's a
1:43:34big barrier but if you're if you're
1:43:36buying financing or leasing a new BMW
1:43:39that is produced in Europe which rules
1:43:42out i believe the x3 and x5 but
1:43:45regardless I you know if if you can do
1:43:49this i highly recommend that you do and
1:43:53your own what you almost did the ferris
1:43:54bueller quote almost will give you
1:43:56partial credit
1:43:56haha if you have the means i highly
1:43:59suggest that I mean it's fun it's really
1:44:02a no cost wise the higher-end car you
1:44:06buy the more money you saved as the
1:44:07percentage in many cases it can cover
1:44:10most or all of the cost of the trip just
1:44:12the savings alone so
1:44:14you so if you have the time and if
1:44:17you're willing to go out here and do
1:44:19this it's almost a no-brainer and
1:44:21certainly you know because this this
1:44:24cars gonna be a lease if I don't buy it
1:44:26at the end of the lease and I if I if I
1:44:28decide to leave something else if i'm
1:44:31still buy a BMW 3 years I would almost
1:44:33certainly do this again and it's really
1:44:36quite good and I think aaron and i will
1:44:39invite ourselves along whether or not
1:44:40we're welcome and it was funny because
1:44:42the so that we did the Nurburgring on
1:44:44Thursday Friday basically all we needed
1:44:47to do is get to Munich and then saturday
1:44:48we drop the car off and left and i think
1:44:52doing the Nurburgring at the tail into
1:44:54the trip and doing it the way we did we
1:44:57were very lucky because you know the
1:44:59trip was already really fun and I and I
1:45:01can only speak friend and I but we were
1:45:02having a really good time but I feel
1:45:03like all four of us once we once we got
1:45:07out of the driver's seat of that car
1:45:08just were on this unbelievable high and
1:45:12it was such a wonderful incredible
1:45:14experience even without the Nurburgring
1:45:16i agree that European deliveries worth
1:45:18it's cool it's a once-in-a-lifetime
1:45:19opportunity but having done the
1:45:22Nurburgring especially even driving it
1:45:24like a ninety-year-old it was so
1:45:27phenomenally awesome and I felt like all
1:45:29of us were on such a high I'm still
1:45:31there you know it's been almost a week
1:45:33now later it was the most one of the
1:45:36most incredible things I've ever done
1:45:37and then after the Nurburgring we would
1:45:39we stayed at this wonderful
1:45:40bed-and-breakfast not far from there and
1:45:42then we went to this really nice hotel
1:45:44in Munich that was right near the
1:45:46airport and just kind of children and
1:45:48had some time with each other and it was
1:45:51it was really phenomenal and then I'm so
1:45:53glad that mark . if you're dumb enough
1:45:54to invite me along i'm sure they
1:45:57probably have invited aaron anyway but
1:45:58infidel enough to invite me along
1:46:00you ready for your life but not you yeah
1:46:02I wouldn't fault you never next one
1:46:04anyway but no okay i mean it would
1:46:06surely it was an unbelievable experience
1:46:07i'm a little sad that John you weren't
1:46:09there but as well but you know it is
1:46:11what it is i don't believe in vacations
1:46:12are traveling that I was really hoping
1:46:14that we that we would see John and his
1:46:17civic on the Nurburgring i was i was
1:46:20going to post a picture take a picture
1:46:21of my speedo when I was traveling on the
1:46:23the road
1:46:24that runs along the river on my way to
1:46:26work where the speed limit is 30 and
1:46:28there's a police officer there every
1:46:29single day
1:46:30that's what I think a picture me having
1:46:32it pinned at 30 which I can do like now
1:46:34you know without even looking at the
1:46:35speedometer as i slowly go down which
1:46:38would actually fun it would actually be
1:46:40a fun road to drive quickly and it's
1:46:41kind of windy it's just a little tiny
1:46:42strip but yeah that that's what i was
1:46:44doing keeping it exactly 30
1:46:47well if it makes you feel better we got
1:46:48to JFK got a taxi after leaving JFK and
1:46:51promptly did five miles an hour on
1:46:53I don't remember what road we were on
1:46:54but it was it was sobering yeah it does
1:46:58who's welcome back to the US and screw
1:47:02you that I was it was bad a couple of
1:47:05quick notes that i just want to share
1:47:06because i know we it i'm very pleased to
1:47:08say it seems like we have a decent
1:47:09amount of European listeners and
1:47:10oftentimes when they're not correcting
1:47:13us about how wrong we are about Europe
1:47:14which is pretty much all the time
1:47:16surely they hold and deservedly so yeah
1:47:19they've often asked you what you were
1:47:21certainly since we were there what do
1:47:22you think what did you joy what did you
1:47:24what did you think about everything I
1:47:26know that I was very stressed about
1:47:28whether or not people speak english and
1:47:30i think i speak for everyone saying that
1:47:31I found in my personal opinion that
1:47:35everywhere we went
1:47:36almost everyone spoke at least
1:47:38conversational English in my experience
1:47:40of usually people that apologize
1:47:44profusely for how bad their English was
1:47:46were effectively fluent in English it
1:47:48was hysterical that was the bells of I'm
1:47:50so sorry it was so bad after they've
1:47:52talked you know an entire paragraph in
1:47:54perfect flawless English yep better than
1:47:57mark over me or wives but it was better
1:47:59than many Americans yep everything was
1:48:03extremely clean with the exception of
1:48:04the exhaust that we talked about earlier
1:48:06and that wasn't a good that was a smell
1:48:08issue not a not a visual issue
1:48:10everything was unbelievably clean the
1:48:13hofbrau house in Munich it's one of the
1:48:15beer gardens probably most famous beer
1:48:17garden in munich even as a non beer
1:48:19drinker that was unbelievably fun and
1:48:21cool and Indian whose need to meet
1:48:22people from all different countries and
1:48:24in walks of life there i mean i really
1:48:27had an unbelievable time and I would
1:48:29absolutely go back and I can't agree
1:48:31more with Marco that if you have
1:48:33the means i highly suggest trying it is
1:48:35unbelievably fund and you know it's for
1:48:39an American as you said it's it's an
1:48:40easy place to go because English is so
1:48:43widely spoken and you can get along with
1:48:47knowing almost no German at all and you
1:48:50know you can you can learn you'll pick
1:48:51up a few phrases or a few words like
1:48:54from road signs and stuff but you know
1:48:56you can you can get around without it
1:48:57and and I mean the foot we we didn't
1:49:01have I don't think we had a single bad
1:49:02meal we were there and definitely that
1:49:05an inmate in a wide variety of like
1:49:07hotels and restaurants and and different
1:49:10places
1:49:12the food is just really incredibly good
1:49:15and you know like II think now like
1:49:19today i bought a bag of pretzels and and
1:49:22I know it's because I'm I'm trying so
1:49:24hard to recreate one aspect of the food
1:49:27that I like so much their actions the
1:49:28breakfast pretzel chat which you can't
1:49:32find these in the u.s. that you just
1:49:33can't find a pretzel that good but like
1:49:36you know no one in the US ever is like
1:49:38Oh what kind of food you want tonight
1:49:40italian mexican how about German I know
1:49:42I never no one ever thinks of that is
1:49:44like one of the one of the common
1:49:46restaurant ethnicity targets 222 want if
1:49:50you're going out for dinner but but man
1:49:53it's really good and I think it's a
1:49:54shame that we don't have more german
1:49:56food coming over here and being served
1:49:58here because it is just so good and that
1:50:02was a yes so food is great that people
1:50:04were great everyone's in there so friend
1:50:06extracting the gentleman at the coffee
1:50:08shop the the four of us were theorizing
1:50:10about things to do i think this was our
1:50:12first stator sunday and there was a
1:50:15gentleman that was sitting seated at the
1:50:17table next to us who was and i would say
1:50:20eavesdropping by any stretch it's just
1:50:21we were within three feet of him so he
1:50:23couldn't have not listened and so we
1:50:25were talking about what you what should
1:50:26we do tomorrow when he took it upon
1:50:28himself in the most polite and kind way
1:50:30possible to have like a 20-minute
1:50:32conversation with us about what we
1:50:34should do and oh this is going to be
1:50:35closed but this isn't and man I bet
1:50:37you'd really like this in my god it was
1:50:40so fantastic and everyone we met was
1:50:42like that they were all so nice and so
1:50:44helpful it was really great
1:50:46like it wasn't it none of these were
1:50:47isolated incidents like everybody was
1:50:50this good
1:50:51all the all the roads were this good all
1:50:54the drivers with this good all the food
1:50:56was this good
1:50:57all the hotels like I mean it was just a
1:51:00fantastic trip and again we can't
1:51:02recommend highly enough so Johnny coming
1:51:06next time maybe if you teleport me all
1:51:11the plane wasn't that bad i don't think
1:51:12i would mind being in Germany all the
1:51:15plane was a glowing recommendation he
1:51:17has don't think i would mind being there
1:51:19at the traveling there and the traveling
1:51:23back it was a what it was a direct
1:51:26flight it's no different than ella era
1:51:27this story about la it's no different
1:51:29than san francis and the way they're
1:51:30using long are you supposed to sleep the
1:51:32whole time I'm telling you John you can
1:51:34do it it's worth it
1:51:35what will argue will argue about it over
1:51:37the next three years until the lease is
1:51:39up man
1:51:43I guess we should probably wrap it up is
1:51:45that it think that's it I mean I don't
1:51:48you have any closing remarks
1:51:49John I don't think so unless you want to
1:51:54explain why were why this is the last
1:51:57episode for now
1:51:58well you know we we had started this out
1:52:02as we call it a podcast miniseries and
1:52:06you know we John had both recently done
1:52:10our respective shows a five-by-five and
1:52:12they had each gone for a while his 14
1:52:15exactly a hundred episodes moment for
1:52:16like a hundred and eight so we just got
1:52:20his long-running shows and one of the
1:52:22reasons why I stopped my show at five by
1:52:25five was because I was you I felt it was
1:52:29getting too repetitive and I was running
1:52:31out of like original topics to talk
1:52:34about an original things to say and and
1:52:36I just needed a break from it and I
1:52:41didn't want to start up a car show that
1:52:43was going to go on for two years and be
1:52:46about just all the news of the day you
1:52:48know like I I didn't want to get myself
1:52:50for you guys into that and because it's
1:52:53just so it's just a very big commitment
1:52:56and
1:52:57and we didn't want to be that kind of
1:52:59show we're just talking about news
1:53:01because none of us as has the the
1:53:06feedback emails and itunes reviews have
1:53:09often suggested none of us are experts
1:53:13enough to really have a car news show of
1:53:16much interest of people so we wanted to
1:53:19just like a general fun thing and we
1:53:21wanted to go into it from the beginning
1:53:22as like a a short like a limited-run
1:53:26concept of we aren't starting up to go
1:53:29indefinitely we start we're starting up
1:53:31to go X episodes and then you know we'll
1:53:34see what happens then we'll probably end
1:53:36it and so the original number we gave
1:53:38was eight and then roughly it like
1:53:40episode six or seven we decided you know
1:53:43what we still have a lot more to say
1:53:44let's bump it forward a little bit more
1:53:46but we could see like the end was in
1:53:48sight and so this is now episode 12 we
1:53:53decided back in episode 10 we decided
1:53:56roughly to end it here and I think this
1:53:58is good because I think we covered all
1:54:02of the major general purpose topics we
1:54:04wanted to cover is that is that fair to
1:54:05say i think so I mean I think it's funny
1:54:09because I was sort of kind of the
1:54:11self-appointed topic maven guru dictator
1:54:15guy and obviously we all contributed
1:54:17topics here and there but I've kept a
1:54:19list and i still have a list of topics
1:54:21to talk about but it's things that
1:54:23nobody wants to listen to like hey let's
1:54:24discuss what our favorite top gear
1:54:26episodes are in an equally boring things
1:54:28like that and materials dream I had
1:54:31yeah exactly and last two or three
1:54:32episodes I've why we've all gotten on
1:54:35skype together and i have not had any
1:54:38particular agenda or arc or anything to
1:54:40talk about and we've been walking off
1:54:42that between the three of us
1:54:43somebody's been able to come up with
1:54:45something worth talking about but just
1:54:46like you said market we don't know we
1:54:48want to beat the horse that may already
1:54:49have been dead before we even started
1:54:51the podcast exact we don't want we don't
1:54:54beat it any further in that I can only
1:54:56speak for myself but I've had a really
1:54:57wonderful time in the listeners by and
1:54:59large although they're there are many
1:55:00that point out how ignorant we are
1:55:02that's frankly pretty well we love them
1:55:04we love them too but all of the
1:55:07listeners I
1:55:08I know we really appreciated when and by
1:55:10and large we've gotten a lot of
1:55:12unbelievably positive and welcome
1:55:14feedback and and I think every single
1:55:15one of you for dealing dealing with me
1:55:19and everyone else for however many hours
1:55:20the shows run
1:55:21yeah I think maybe we weren't clear
1:55:23enough that it was going to be limited
1:55:24run because now that people are knowing
1:55:25this is ending we're getting the people
1:55:27coming out of the woodworks I know you
1:55:29don't stop the show is my favorite
1:55:31podcast over it you know like we said it
1:55:33but like i said in all the introductory
1:55:35blog post i always said a miniseries but
1:55:38they didn't know was never in the audio
1:55:40of the show that's where it had to be
1:55:41right people to I mean maybe it did we
1:55:43ever mentioned you want to I don't even
1:55:45know I don't think so
1:55:46it was so prominent all of our minds and
1:55:47I was on the website and everything that
1:55:49it just seems we just assumed everybody
1:55:50knew but clearly not so if you're
1:55:52finding out now surprise sorry
1:55:54yeah and that's it
1:56:01let's get a real career something that
1:56:03probably if you want to use naturally
1:56:05that we should God for such amateurs i
1:56:09love it that's the test it but I didn't
1:56:11see the review recently there was like
1:56:13it does no intro and no outro like this
1:56:16the car door
1:56:17why does no one hear the car there's a
1:56:19card or deafness bringing down podcast
1:56:23it's a car i thought that was so clever
1:56:25when I heard the Carpenters episode no
1:56:27one gets area they're completely
1:56:28inaudible to everyone else