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0:00:00the incomparable number 225 December

0:00:11welcome back everybody to the

0:00:12incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason

0:00:13still and we're here for

0:00:15in addition of our book club i would

0:00:18like to first off I recognize that Scott

0:00:21melty is not here for the book club

0:00:23not because he didn't read the book and

0:00:24in fact like the book a lot and

0:00:25recommended to many of us but because

0:00:27he's a good son and he has to help his

0:00:30mom move and he's moving he's like

0:00:32moving his mom from one state to another

0:00:34or something right now so all good jobs

0:00:37god good job we're sorry your not here

0:00:40but I have wonderful people here with me

0:00:42to talk about this book in absence of

0:00:45mr. McNulty Erica and signs out there

0:00:47hello i am here indeed you know in nice

0:00:51one

0:00:52it's almost like your Galaxy Quest hello

0:00:54from last week but was it don't remember

0:00:56where you want a galaxy quest podcast

0:01:01yeah i was just repeat everything the

0:01:04computer says that's all you need to do

0:01:05yep that you release my sister who is

0:01:08also here and his writing this book I

0:01:10hope

0:01:11hello hi i read the whole trilogy look

0:01:13at me to me to carry all right and David

0:01:17laura is also out here you've read the

0:01:18whole trilogy it's the end of the world

0:01:20as we know it end spoiler Warren I feel

0:01:23fine

0:01:24huh all right we're gonna be doing some

0:01:26spoilers horn action here i think i

0:01:28think we will since we've all read all

0:01:30three books we will do a little bit of

0:01:32spoiler warning and as we go so if

0:01:36you've only read if you've written in

0:01:37the books when you get that first boil

0:01:39horn you will want to dive away from

0:01:41your comfortable chair and press the

0:01:43button marked spoiler horn on your phone

0:01:46or podcast have a choice and not listen

0:01:49to the rest and then likewise if you

0:01:50haven't read the second book will have

0:01:52another spoiler warning so now i'm just

0:01:54picturing one of those staples

0:01:55commercials easy buttons on everybody's

0:01:57desk but just his pictures for the horn

0:02:00yeah that's right you does dive dive

0:02:02over there hit the soft friendly button

0:02:05and know that you're not going to be

0:02:07spoiled that because you've you've

0:02:08called you summoned the spoiler horn to

0:02:11your side

0:02:12something like that anyway the last

0:02:15policeman is what worked what we're

0:02:16talking about

0:02:17and any last police in series apparently

0:02:19by Ben winters the the third book in the

0:02:23series came out relative

0:02:24recently I read these books in a matter

0:02:29of days in fact i believe i was on

0:02:31silent i was on a trip to Montreal for

0:02:34the singleton conference and I read the

0:02:37last policeman on the flight to montreal

0:02:39and I immediately bought the other two

0:02:42books and I you know by the time i got

0:02:44back i think i was in the middle of the

0:02:45third book I was just

0:02:48and that's actually why i think a great

0:02:49endorsement these books are a lot of fun

0:02:51to read just be even before we start

0:02:54talking about what they are i mean they

0:02:55they go fast

0:02:57there are a lot of fun and it's been

0:02:58awhile since I really ripped through a

0:03:00series like I read your last policeman

0:03:02they're very gently written there's not

0:03:03a lot of extraneous stuff in there and

0:03:05that's what I appreciate is that there's

0:03:07not a whole lot of time wasting

0:03:08so these are you know one of the things

0:03:11I really like about the the series is

0:03:13that these are did for lack of a better

0:03:15word these are detective novels these

0:03:17are these are these are these are police

0:03:19you know police / detective / crime

0:03:22novels with and I remember Scott and

0:03:24Lisa both talking about this because you

0:03:26guys read it before the rest of us i

0:03:28think yeah these are the the spin to the

0:03:31to the detective novel but procedural

0:03:35crime novel is that the earth has been

0:03:38given me an unpleasant diagnosis which

0:03:41is that it's going to be hit by an

0:03:43asteroid and these aren't spoilers this

0:03:45is in the beginning of the first book it

0:03:47becomes very clear very rapidly that the

0:03:50the planet is going to be probably

0:03:53destroyed by an asteroid and the society

0:03:57is beginning to break down and amid the

0:04:00breakdown of society there's a guy who's

0:04:03a policeman and is trying to solve up

0:04:07what he believes is a murder even though

0:04:09nobody else does so I love that it's the

0:04:11you know it's a plot that you've

0:04:13probably seen before you know it any e

0:04:16voice and style that you've seen before

0:04:18and then it's got this bizarre shard of

0:04:21a science fictional element that just

0:04:23kind of upsets everything so you never

0:04:25know quite what's going to happen next

0:04:26is just such a great idea for a book on

0:04:29top of that detective Henry palace he

0:04:31gets promoted right around the time that

0:04:34everything goes to pot has jobs are

0:04:36available for p.m. we're still around

0:04:38yeah and basically just wandered off and

0:04:40then go to Florida or New Orleans right

0:04:42and you're like well what-whatever wait

0:04:44there have been mass suicides evidently

0:04:46mom but what I really admire about Henry

0:04:49in this book and actually the whole

0:04:51series is his dog insistence on honoring

0:04:54this internal ideal of civilization

0:04:57where he's like if murders happen

0:04:59it's my job to solve them because if we

0:05:00don't solve crimes water we you know

0:05:02what makes us human or non-human and so

0:05:04he basically lives out his his life as a

0:05:07meditation on what it means to be human

0:05:08when you're facing extinction and I

0:05:11really like that he never comes out and

0:05:13says that explicitly but it's implicit

0:05:14and everything he does he's one of my

0:05:16favorite fictional characters this year

0:05:18I I think it's a really good character I

0:05:21i agree with you that the undercurrent

0:05:23in this entire series is well there are

0:05:27lots of things but one of them is very

0:05:29much what are we what are we here for

0:05:31what the society mean what is the value

0:05:35of having a civilization and when your

0:05:38when your civilization gets a terminal

0:05:41diagnosis it's really interesting

0:05:43it's that moment of you know reflection

0:05:48of what when you when you get that when

0:05:50you get that diagnosis what do you do do

0:05:52you say oh it doesn't matter and do

0:05:55crazy things or do you say well you know

0:05:58i wanna i want to make I want to make

0:06:00this matter because there's not a lot of

0:06:02time left and what what Henry palace

0:06:05does is say it matters to him even if

0:06:09and he's not like you should matter to

0:06:11you too so much as it's like knowing

0:06:12manageme somebody should be doing this

0:06:14and that is so the policeman right that

0:06:17is such the somebody's gotta stand here

0:06:19somebody's gotta gotta stand up for this

0:06:21guy who didn't do it or I find the real

0:06:24killer or whatever that that a you get

0:06:25from a lot of of of police stories and

0:06:28detective stories anyway except for him

0:06:30he's you know he's also sort of standing

0:06:32up for society as a as a concept that

0:06:35somebody should still be solving crimes

0:06:37even though we're all gonna die in here

0:06:39I pull up the passage that hooked beyond

0:06:41the first book and this isn't really

0:06:42this is again this doesn't spoil the

0:06:44plot but this tells you what you're in

0:06:45for

0:06:46where it starts with a lot of bucket

0:06:48list is returned disappointed and a lot

0:06:50of newly minted criminal

0:06:51goals and wild pleasure seekers have

0:06:53found themselves in jail waiting and

0:06:54terrified solitude for october so yeah

0:06:57there are differences in behavior but

0:06:58they're in the margins the main

0:07:00difference from a law enforcement

0:07:00perspective is more atmospheric hard to

0:07:03define i would characterize the mood

0:07:05here in town is that of a child who is

0:07:07in trouble yet but knows he's going to

0:07:08be confused said trembling against the

0:07:11knowledge of what comes next and right

0:07:12on the edge of violence not angry but

0:07:14anxious in a way that could easily

0:07:15shaped into anger and it was just this

0:07:18beautiful what I really like is how he

0:07:21raises and dismisses the whole idea of

0:07:23bucket lists and people gone wild in in

0:07:25just a few sentences because i remember

0:07:28reading the flat the novel that launched

0:07:30the flash Ford TV series no mandatory

0:07:33right yeah I think yeah and i remember

0:07:35reading that and my biggest problem with

0:07:37that was there wasn't for me there

0:07:38wasn't a lot of convincing world world

0:07:40building or even dismissal but what

0:07:43about this what about that there's just

0:07:44a lot that doesn't get sketched out and

0:07:46one of the things winters does

0:07:47consistently in this book is almost he

0:07:50anticipates almost everyone if and then

0:07:52you know tell you yeah well that's how

0:07:54it goes down well what about bucket list

0:07:56as well

0:07:56yeah they're there and it has not gone

0:07:58well for them or what about religious

0:07:59programs yeah well they've set

0:08:00themselves on fire or what about XYZ and

0:08:03it's just casually woven into the

0:08:05background and and you can see that

0:08:09normal life is beginning to fray and it

0:08:10adds to the tension in the book too

0:08:12because you know everything is beginning

0:08:14to develop into entropy that's that's

0:08:16the whole sense of the book is is

0:08:17everything is going to enter fee and the

0:08:20end is disorderly and messy and he ends

0:08:22it worse than he started the back and

0:08:24then you're like more I want more in

0:08:26please

0:08:26and-and-and-and the police and and

0:08:28people who are committed to finding that

0:08:30you know who's responsible for crimes

0:08:32these are the people who are standing

0:08:34against the entropy but the world is

0:08:36spinning out of control in in this in

0:08:39this book it hasn't spun yet but you

0:08:41know it will

0:08:42and in fact this whole crime is him

0:08:45investigating a suicide and they're so

0:08:47common that everybody just doesn't even

0:08:49care and something about the crime makes

0:08:52him think I don't think this guy killed

0:08:54himself I think this was a murder made

0:08:56to look like a suicide and it's such a

0:08:58great moment because even his even among

0:09:01his colleagues that kind of checked out

0:09:04because

0:09:05it's just so easy to say well this is a

0:09:07suicide and that's and maybe it's

0:09:10because he's new but he the you know

0:09:14palace cares and wants to investigate it

0:09:17and they sort of humor him

0:09:18it's really yeah it's a combination of a

0:09:21dream you said since he was 12 because

0:09:22he mentions that where he's had the same

0:09:24dream when he was 12 and get sworn in as

0:09:26a detective and it's the culmination of

0:09:28his life's work and it gives us like

0:09:29meeting right that it's inside feel like

0:09:32this is kind of his way of saying this

0:09:34is it my life has to mean something

0:09:35before it ends when it gets it in just

0:09:38under the wire

0:09:39ya know jumping off of what Jason was

0:09:41saying about the his co-workers i find

0:09:43it interesting that you know we're

0:09:46talking about all the different levels

0:09:47of things that can happen and and I i

0:09:49I'd like the fact that he still has co

0:09:51workers that are doing things but he has

0:09:53a main character really does stand out

0:09:55because he is like you said standing up

0:09:58for this and his co-workers how kind of

0:10:00checked out there's they haven't run

0:10:02away they're still there doing it but

0:10:03it's kinda like you know when you you

0:10:05get the detective the stereotypical

0:10:07detective that's been on the force for

0:10:0840 years he's just kind of waiting for

0:10:10retirement and still collecting that

0:10:12paycheck and worming his chair not

0:10:14really trying very hard and there are a

0:10:16variety of different ages of the people

0:10:19who are still left but you think the

0:10:21impression that they're kind of doing

0:10:22the same thing they're just sort of like

0:10:24they don't really know what else to do

0:10:25so they're just going to fill out a

0:10:26better time this way but they're not

0:10:28going to try to hard because why bother

0:10:30when the only things that struck me

0:10:33about him is that he reminds me of

0:10:35Detective bailiffs at the beginning of

0:10:37the series homicide

0:10:39you know he's just promoted he's always

0:10:42wanted to be a murder police right and

0:10:45that's the thinking man's policeman and

0:10:48he gets his first case and it up cge

0:10:50gets obsessed with it he wants to get it

0:10:52right he wants to solve it because it's

0:10:54his first case and it was that kind of

0:10:58obsession with this is my first thing in

0:11:01this thing that I've always wanted to do

0:11:03and i need to do it right and i'm not

0:11:06going to shortcut I'm not gonna forget

0:11:09it I'm not just gonna go home to suicide

0:11:10and go on to the next thing and I kind

0:11:12of like that stick-to-itiveness like the

0:11:14feeling that

0:11:17I mean I think we all experience this

0:11:18even better i'm extremely unlucky

0:11:20personally you get somewhere and

0:11:23everybody says well yeah it's ok now but

0:11:25boy you should have been here back when

0:11:27the salad days right it's always in the

0:11:29news and and for Palace this is it's

0:11:33just so true he he finally gets this

0:11:36thing that he wants when kind of nobody

0:11:39wants it and nobody really wants him to

0:11:40do it but you know by gum he's gonna do

0:11:43it but there's that also that feeling of

0:11:44loss not just the loss of of of

0:11:47civilization but his loss that this is

0:11:50his big dream and now it gets here and

0:11:51it's sort of been devalued like like you

0:11:54know I just I that really struck me to

0:11:57that at the party I'm finally here at

0:11:58the party

0:11:59just when the party is over the band is

0:12:01packing up the Gators of when i finally

0:12:04got in

0:12:04yes they're gone well i would like to

0:12:07also point out Jason before you were

0:12:11just describing your your ride and

0:12:13reading these books is really fun and

0:12:14and i think that we have a very

0:12:16different idea of what fun is because

0:12:19that isn't I think we've established

0:12:20that haven't we relate a little dark

0:12:23sometimes that is I mean I like things

0:12:26dark but i would not characterize oh my

0:12:28feelings about that as a as fun i guess

0:12:31um these are for their excellent books I

0:12:33wouldn't be here talking about them but

0:12:35I I do kind of want to give a warning to

0:12:37anybody who has not read these books if

0:12:38you if you are the kind of person who

0:12:41knows that that this type of

0:12:43end-of-the-world stuff might bring you

0:12:44down and you are in a fragile state of

0:12:46mind i would recommend waiting until

0:12:49you're a little bit more solid because I

0:12:51agree I'm i was a little iffy just down

0:12:54the you know the description of these

0:12:56books of as to whether or not i should

0:12:57read them in the first place but I was

0:12:59like well I'll think about it and then

0:13:02actually one of our our kind listeners

0:13:04purchased the first book for me off of

0:13:07my Amazon wish list so I was like all

0:13:09right it's a sign it was meant to be and

0:13:12when i read it the first book was so

0:13:13good that I immediately purchased the

0:13:15second one it was like I don't want two

0:13:17and a half three days or something like

0:13:18that I zip through them and i'm still

0:13:21not sure if that was a good idea or not

0:13:24yeah I don't know if it was a chicken in

0:13:26the egg thing but i was i was in a

0:13:28really bad place as i read these books

0:13:30and I can't blame them entirely because

0:13:32I might have been anyway but I mean yeah

0:13:35things got kinda kinda dicey and ugly

0:13:37they're so watch yourself if you're not

0:13:39sure I agree i definitely felt that too

0:13:42when I finished I did not come out of

0:13:46finishing the third book like you know

0:13:49fresh and we're and refreshed and ready

0:13:52to seize the day I was like I who like

0:13:56that wasn't wow I I'm gonna have to

0:13:59reveal myself as a soulless monster then

0:14:02i'm using are you going

0:14:05I read them as they came out so I had a

0:14:06year pause in between each one which

0:14:09which helps members i can see i I don't

0:14:13I don't usually get that empathetic with

0:14:15a book but there are occasionally like

0:14:18graham greene's the power and the glory

0:14:19I've never finished it because it heat

0:14:22poor trees depression and desolations so

0:14:26well just like no no I can't finish this

0:14:29book and then there's a little bit of

0:14:32that in this but it's it's also a

0:14:34detective story which is cool so I

0:14:37enjoyed it i wanted to make sure he was

0:14:40gonna be okay with in a very limited

0:14:42subset of what

0:14:43ok could possibly be but um they that

0:14:47that one of the things i want to address

0:14:49those if you do read the trilogy rest

0:14:50assured that it is really well read and

0:14:54really well-thought-out and the ending

0:14:55is immensely gratifying and it's a it's

0:14:58and it makes sense it's not always that

0:15:00was my big know because i had read the

0:15:01first one like the bean seeds like

0:15:04literally two weeks before the second

0:15:05one came out and immediately bought that

0:15:07one and ripped through it and then I

0:15:08preap and then i pre-ordered the third

0:15:10one and i almost never do that because I

0:15:12prefer to buy my books used and but I

0:15:15immediately bought it new for kindle and

0:15:17when it came out the day it came out I

0:15:18blocked out sometime and read it and

0:15:21when I was done I was like huh

0:15:23I've no I was relieved because it clear

0:15:26on so it could have gone so bad and he

0:15:28could have broken faith with the reader

0:15:29and instead he writes a book that is so

0:15:33consistent to Henry is and so consistent

0:15:36with the story he began telling in the

0:15:38first book that this trilogy really

0:15:39hangs together as a perfect three piece

0:15:42of that makes sense

0:15:43and oh yeah it's like Diane lot yeah

0:15:46it's six months ago by putting sticks

0:15:47the landing so I really i was relieved

0:15:50because I would've been angry if they

0:15:51hadn't done that it doesn't certainly

0:15:52mean it's a feel-good I mean this whole

0:15:54the whole series it is consistent and I

0:15:56think that's what you're saying is a i

0:15:58agree i think the ending is consistent

0:16:00and not a ripoff and all those things

0:16:02the fact is this is ultimately about the

0:16:04sort of the world destruction of light

0:16:07in fact you could say it's weird because

0:16:08we all talked about the stand a little

0:16:10while ago

0:16:10it is a few chapters of the stand right

0:16:13is it is how society unravels and how

0:16:16people face and react to death and

0:16:19that's what it's about

0:16:21there's a why a series called this world

0:16:23we live in I'm turning on googling

0:16:25whoo-hoo-hoo-hoo does it now but the

0:16:29premise is that a rogue it's always a

0:16:31row gasps oh yeah is that the one where

0:16:33the moon blows up yeah its okay its or

0:16:35getting hit by an asteroid yes it's

0:16:37Susan beth pfeffer and gather the moon

0:16:40gets hit by an asteroid knocks it out of

0:16:42orbit and enriched and in turn what that

0:16:44does is that screws with the oceans that

0:16:47screws with the oceans tides and then

0:16:49the caldera under Yellowstone explodes

0:16:51yeah so so the earth effectively goes

0:16:55into it what what is all people called

0:16:58nuclear winter state like there's no

0:16:59more Sun and the climate change is

0:17:02radical and and very sudden and society

0:17:05breaks down and so I had read the first

0:17:08three books in that series when they

0:17:09came out

0:17:10oh yeah like I rather like 2011 which

0:17:12was not the best time to read that but

0:17:14we done

0:17:16yeah well I was postpartum at the time

0:17:17too so totally not helping

0:17:19uh-huh so I had already gone through and

0:17:23read a trilogy about this is what

0:17:24happens when massive catastrophe hits

0:17:27and this is what happens to people who

0:17:28are left standing and so in the back of

0:17:30my mind the whole time mastering the

0:17:31last policeman and I admit that

0:17:33subsequent two books i was impressed

0:17:37with how he mainly he treated the idea

0:17:39of suicide because well it's true he

0:17:41does he does investigate murders he does

0:17:44also raised a lot of very good points

0:17:47about whether when it makes sense to

0:17:49have a survival instinct that kicks in

0:17:50versus what makes sense to throw in the

0:17:52towel and then he starts talking about

0:17:53the scams that people have started

0:17:54pulling on each other or the death

0:17:56it measures are taking and and i found

0:17:58that actually a lot more upsetting than

0:18:00the notion that a comet would hit the

0:18:02planet it was the idea of not knowing

0:18:03whether you wanted to live or die that

0:18:05that I have the most trouble with these

0:18:06books should we fire off the spoiler

0:18:09Horner is there more we should do on

0:18:10this side of it i think i gave my

0:18:12warning so I'm going ok I think I think

0:18:15that's I think that's right this

0:18:16definitely can leave you I definitely

0:18:18felt like i was i was picked up by these

0:18:21books and then when I was left off

0:18:22although i really enjoyed the reading

0:18:24experience i was left in a different

0:18:26emotional place then when they picked me

0:18:29up there is no doubt about it

0:18:30oh yeah now i have i seen questions

0:18:32linger in the back of my head of the

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0:20:51alright here we go the spoils horn at

0:20:53the end of the world if you don't wanna

0:20:54listen spoilers jump to 55 minutes for

0:20:57what are you reading

0:20:58[Music]

0:21:02I'm going to be very careful as we talk

0:21:04about this here because i read them all

0:21:07in such close succession and and because

0:21:10i read them on a kindle I've discovered

0:21:12that now that I'm now that I'm reading

0:21:13an e-reader I don't make the delineation

0:21:16between different books as much because

0:21:18i'm not seeing the covers and I tend to

0:21:20forget the titles of books if I wasn't

0:21:22looking at the wikipedia page for the

0:21:24first one right now I could not tell you

0:21:26the title who support the second and

0:21:27third books and i don't know that i

0:21:29remember super well exactly where the

0:21:31line is between each one of them simply

0:21:34because it is such a consistent story

0:21:36and it really does flow each one has its

0:21:38own beginning middle and end date for

0:21:40miss Gloria solved because that

0:21:42beautiful art my god I'm just I the the

0:21:46pacing the way he links all three of

0:21:49them together each book has its distinct

0:21:53are due its distinct narrative arc with

0:21:54the whole series just does a beautiful

0:21:57job from beginning to end too and i'm

0:21:59with you Erykah it's it's I have to stop

0:22:01remind myself that oh yeah book two ends

0:22:03with insert event here in them and and

0:22:07then booked three starts with but this

0:22:08last police been uh we you know we

0:22:11talked about the themes a little bit one

0:22:12of the things that i like it so it's a

0:22:14suicide that he thinks is a murder

0:22:15there is of course a I mean let's see

0:22:20there's there's the subplot with his

0:22:21sister and their em and there's like the

0:22:25military base and all these things that

0:22:26are happening and then there's the

0:22:28there's the trying to figure out the the

0:22:32story of the guy and the guy was hanging

0:22:33out with that with that with another guy

0:22:35and then there's a well woman who's

0:22:37involved because it's a detective story

0:22:39of course he's going to unravel their

0:22:42lives and get in get involved with the

0:22:46woman who's involved in the mystery as

0:22:49you do as happens so often no detectives

0:22:53mostly Democrats the books about the

0:22:56detectives who just do their job and

0:22:58it's all morning they just take care of

0:23:00it and always a femme fatale

0:23:02in this case it's kind of literal yeah I

0:23:05like I enjoyed the mystery i enjoyed him

0:23:07unraveling I like the fact that even in

0:23:10a standard mystery when a guy thinks

0:23:12it's a murder but everybody else thinks

0:23:14it's suicide you're like come on it

0:23:15the book he's going to be right but in

0:23:17this I felt like he might be wrong

0:23:20i mean i-i don't know that the the

0:23:21existence of that asteroid makes

0:23:23everything kind of it throws everything

0:23:25out of sync and I start to think maybe

0:23:27this is not going to be that story it's

0:23:29gonna be some weird thing involving the

0:23:31end of the world and and you know it

0:23:33turns out not to be it turns out that

0:23:34that there is indeed a a mystery to be

0:23:39solved involving a conspiracy to kill

0:23:42this guy and make it look like a suicide

0:23:44and it's nice because you know by sort

0:23:48of starting in media res you know here

0:23:52you don't necessarily know except unless

0:23:54you've read the back of the book

0:23:56no it's it's about the end of the world

0:23:58so you know if you're trying to pick up

0:24:00details about what's going on in this

0:24:01world it's all oblique it's not you know

0:24:03well to mcdonalds well it's not really a

0:24:05mcdonalds right you know how I love that

0:24:07when he explains which change of clothes

0:24:09which was not in just these little

0:24:11details that you pick up so again

0:24:14there's there's just enough doubt as to

0:24:17whether you know maybe it really is a

0:24:19suicide

0:24:19I don't know right and but but yeah I

0:24:23love that there's no like big things

0:24:25saying here is the situation now right

0:24:28it gives you everything you need to know

0:24:29it's just all these details that sort of

0:24:31filter through the whole thing and you

0:24:35you learn stuff as you need to know it

0:24:37as it makes the plot make more sense

0:24:39which is against just beautiful

0:24:41yeah in the so in the end you know

0:24:44there's I mean we can we can recap the

0:24:47plot but basically he follows leads that

0:24:50leads that that uh make you think

0:24:53there's a very nice red herring where

0:24:54you think that this is going to be about

0:24:55this guy who's doing insurance fraud

0:24:58whose because the insurance companies

0:25:00again are in a problematic place because

0:25:03the world is coming to an end and lots

0:25:05of crazy things are happening whether

0:25:07they're disputing a lot of payouts to

0:25:08because they're now what you gonna do

0:25:13uh you know we'll take it to court next

0:25:16year haha and but in the end it turns

0:25:19out that there's a there's a guy who's

0:25:21what distributing drugs out of the

0:25:23basement of the police station is that

0:25:25right

0:25:27hospitals are the hospital right

0:25:29hospital

0:25:30that's right and I but along the way we

0:25:35have the Fatah land and a scene that

0:25:37could very easily have been in other

0:25:39circumstances not as meaningful but what

0:25:44is interesting about this series is this

0:25:46this seen this this one evening the date

0:25:49that that the main character goes on

0:25:52haunts him for the rest of the books

0:25:55which I actually think it's kind of

0:25:57great dance that it's so meaningful to

0:25:59him and we're thinking about this woman

0:26:02that he spent you know was actually one

0:26:04night with an A and the it had that

0:26:07hangs over the other two books it's

0:26:09actually really kind of great that's the

0:26:11case haunted by women

0:26:12I suppose so his sister here and sister

0:26:16is that this is his sister is the

0:26:17biggest ghost in his life and she's

0:26:19right there half the time but palace

0:26:20will you ever learn

0:26:23probably a dozen now it's gonna hit that

0:26:26he's just about to learn in yeah the and

0:26:32yeah we should we should we talk about

0:26:34the other books

0:26:35why not why not that's all right isn't

0:26:38this your second spoiler Hearn

0:26:40[Music]

0:26:43it's alright form below

0:26:47well done Lisa push the button on the

0:26:49spoiler in there good job i guess i

0:26:50could count on fiat so countdown city is

0:26:55the one that I um I think I feel like in

0:27:00some ways I I I remember the most

0:27:02because this this to me

0:27:04so at the end they basically shut down

0:27:06parts of the police force and palaces

0:27:09out of a job

0:27:10so now he's kind of like a detective

0:27:11with you know like a private detective

0:27:14sort of except not what sort of man and

0:27:17this and and i love the structure of

0:27:18this one because this one is very much

0:27:20like it's like his his old nanny but

0:27:22it's very much like her husband has

0:27:24disappeared

0:27:25you gotta find him and it all kind of

0:27:27unravels when he starts to check out his

0:27:29story there's like the bowling alley

0:27:32where they serve food that is where he

0:27:34worked and then he he has to figure out

0:27:37that they have a truck that they use to

0:27:39get supplies and he ends up in this one

0:27:43he ends up he ends up at the what the

0:27:46University of New Hampshire is that

0:27:48right yeah it'sit's you an agent with

0:27:51become a hippie commune basically his

0:27:54sister he ends up there with his sister

0:27:56and they're trying to find out the

0:27:57location of this guy who is the husband

0:28:01of the nanny and wondering what he's up

0:28:03to and what he's doing and and and and

0:28:06traces that story through and eventually

0:28:09comes to a like a Coast Guard is a

0:28:13schematic yes it's there's there's a

0:28:16coastguard operation they interrupt

0:28:18yeah yeah where he's where it turns out

0:28:21that this guy is trying to prove to what

0:28:25saved the people who are off who have

0:28:28fled other places and are trying to come

0:28:30to the u.s. on the off-chance that since

0:28:33the asteroid is hitting an end indonesia

0:28:35us may be safer place to be and these

0:28:38people are being like gunned down before

0:28:41they stand and thinking the ship's yeah

0:28:44person so you know that it's really dark

0:28:46but that I mean this has really division

0:28:49the visuals of this have stuck with me

0:28:51that the the walls of the of the

0:28:53university they with the defenses and

0:28:56and being allowed

0:28:57and I was like high security perimeter

0:29:00and the bowling alley where there's the

0:29:02guy who's like it's like the mob bowling

0:29:05alley

0:29:05except they just you know it's the there

0:29:07they're mobbed up because it's the end

0:29:09of the world and they have food there

0:29:10and then that last confrontation where

0:29:13he's coming he meets the finally meets

0:29:16the husband and he's climbed up the side

0:29:18of that that building and it's just it's

0:29:21just yeah what a crazy it better

0:29:24you know I I liked it better than the

0:29:26first one because i thought it was like

0:29:27even more memorable as things are

0:29:29spinning out of control and and it

0:29:31really i'll i really enjoyed the thread

0:29:33that he keeps following because it's dog

0:29:35it right he's just like you kind of like

0:29:37to start but then in true detective

0:29:39story fashion once he gets that thread

0:29:41he just keeps pulling it he can't help

0:29:43but keep pulling it no matter what the

0:29:45cost is the second book i thought was

0:29:47actually the most disturbing of them all

0:29:48to be honest with you because that's

0:29:51also when you discovered the parents

0:29:52have been abandoned their children

0:29:54oh yeah oh that's right yeah there's

0:29:56like the it's like merchants from a

0:29:58musical except terrible it's awful yeah

0:30:01you know so you discovered that's been

0:30:03going on the medical care has begun to

0:30:06deteriorate there's that weird vigil

0:30:08they have in Massachusetts where people

0:30:10just start standing up and reciting all

0:30:11things are going to miss the end of the

0:30:13world you know there's that there's that

0:30:17data model there's the hucksters who

0:30:19took all those people for all their life

0:30:21savings for this this this rescue

0:30:23oh yeah program that will never ever

0:30:25come to fruition and yeah that one just

0:30:29a kind of made me go like yeah I mean I

0:30:32guess you got some money but really like

0:30:35you you have three weeks to spend it on

0:30:37whatever I just yeah like a lot of work

0:30:40to go through to scam people like that's

0:30:42just that you're really a terrible

0:30:44person if you're doing that because

0:30:46you're not going to get much out of it

0:30:48yeah it's just awful uh-huh so it's just

0:30:51it's just the second one is because the

0:30:54third book I think they're the thing I

0:30:55really like about the third book is it's

0:30:57just this this very it's just the final

0:31:01unraveling where where he only has two

0:31:03big mysteries left to solve one of them

0:31:04is what the hell happened to a sister

0:31:05right and the answer is not a surprise

0:31:09this one reminded me

0:31:10of a book that i really i read in high

0:31:12school that I really liked that was one

0:31:14of my favorite detective books called

0:31:17well in the same way that it that

0:31:19there's this kind of you know i love

0:31:22that dread of I'm gonna follow this case

0:31:25and it's going to go somewhere badly you

0:31:27know bad and it's gonna be bad for me

0:31:28and it's going badly for everybody

0:31:30involved and yet i'm going to do it

0:31:32because that's just what's gonna happen

0:31:33now it's that dot that darkness and in

0:31:36that book is I think he may be out of

0:31:38print it might be back in print now

0:31:40called strike three you're dead which is

0:31:42actually about a baseball player

0:31:43investigating the murder of one of his

0:31:45teammates and for a book that is kind of

0:31:48quirky and strange and sounds like it

0:31:50might be wacky it's actually really dark

0:31:52and then that the first book in a series

0:31:53of of mysteries being solved by this

0:31:56former baseball player and it's the same

0:31:58thing which is personal life you know

0:32:01spending apart have to follow the case

0:32:03leads to unpleasant locations and and I

0:32:06I just the result of that book is i love

0:32:09the tone i like i love that the main

0:32:11character is reluctant and yet can't

0:32:13just can't help it has to follow the

0:32:15path and that's I got that exact same

0:32:17tone and feeling and style from from all

0:32:21these books but especially countdown

0:32:22city

0:32:23yeah oh and the diner the diner that

0:32:26serves almost nothing where he and his

0:32:27two former police colleagues go like

0:32:31have nowhere else to be amazing

0:32:35no the am I mean is I you sort of going

0:32:38into book number three world of trouble

0:32:39that that really oh this this isn't

0:32:41gonna end well see also common yeah but

0:32:44you know I think for me that the thing

0:32:45that broke my heart a little bit is how

0:32:47he leaves police house and strikes out

0:32:49on his own and it's just like the worst

0:32:51possible decision you can make but like

0:32:53jason said he's got that thing in his

0:32:55nature that pushes him to keep going

0:32:56alright we're going to just blow the

0:32:57blow the whole whole whore now

0:33:00[Music]

0:33:04there goes yeah and you know his

0:33:06sister's the biggest mystery in his life

0:33:08and he's just compelled to try to solve

0:33:10whatever it is that he goes on about and

0:33:14you know it's not gonna end well like

0:33:16you know from the minute you open the

0:33:17book she hasn't she hasn't she's always

0:33:19a sign of something bad in every single

0:33:20book the minute he gets entangled mr.

0:33:23things get complicated in weird and

0:33:24murdery Erica you know you mentioned the

0:33:27the the the the dark the darkness and

0:33:31that it ends up in a problematic place I

0:33:36i will reinforce that by saying that the

0:33:38world of trouble reminds me a lot of the

0:33:40road yeah uh yeah yeah yeah you know

0:33:44because he is he's traveling through and

0:33:46i think it's interesting i can't wait to

0:33:47get your reaction to station 11 cuz well

0:33:49we're gonna do that we're going to do

0:33:50that for the football club so everybody

0:33:53seek some therapy before they're more

0:33:56and more population tellin ya you know

0:33:59it's not i can't stop thinking about the

0:34:01book it's delightful

0:34:02it's it's an amazing book will get there

0:34:04um I but it's delightful i mentioned i

0:34:07mentioned the road but it is like that

0:34:10in a sense and this is actually

0:34:11something I thought was weird in these

0:34:13books is I don't get a sense by the time

0:34:16the third book happens that this is not

0:34:18the stand right people aren't dying in

0:34:21mass die-offs because of something

0:34:23that's happening the thing is gonna

0:34:25happen and it's going to be the end of

0:34:26the world and yet in world of trouble as

0:34:29he is riding his bicycle from Vermont to

0:34:33ohio I the world seems pretty

0:34:36unpopulated and I I thought that was

0:34:39really nice

0:34:42in terms of telling a story about the

0:34:44end of the world that have it be like we

0:34:45this is the world we are leaving behind

0:34:47that we've already abandoned it and yet

0:34:50you know the people aren't really going

0:34:52anywhere and so on that level it didn't

0:34:55really make a lot of sense to me that it

0:34:57seemed as empty as it did he runs into

0:34:58people here and there but it it just

0:35:01seemed like you know this kind of a this

0:35:03kind of apocalypse where I know it felt

0:35:06like he was cheating and he was telling

0:35:07us a setting of a different kind of

0:35:10apocalypse and the one where

0:35:11actually watching I felt like this would

0:35:12be more people around and I was figure

0:35:14the mass suicides

0:35:15yeah I got the feeling that there are

0:35:17more suicides that the he just sort of

0:35:18described some of the suicides and

0:35:21didn't want to bog things down with it

0:35:22and also that that some of these houses

0:35:25and in places that he's passing are that

0:35:27many more of them perhaps then he can

0:35:30tell from the outside are still

0:35:31inhabited and it's just people hunkering

0:35:33down because they don't want to run into

0:35:35run into anybody you don't have the code

0:35:38right of like what the different kinds

0:35:40of houses are abandoned and therefore to

0:35:42find friends yeah the red towns versus

0:35:45the blue toes and then when you get the

0:35:47red ones just chillin an awful but i

0:35:51think it i liked the the bits and pieces

0:35:55of the the folks that he found who were

0:35:57still you could retain their humanity to

0:36:00a certain extent I think that it didn't

0:36:03completely balanced out all of the the

0:36:05awfulness as far as you know making me

0:36:07feel good but it was nice to see that

0:36:10that wasn't left aside that this wasn't

0:36:12you know we were completely dragged down

0:36:14by it some people still have not only

0:36:16are some people still trying to keep

0:36:21their their old job the way that he has

0:36:23been but there are also people who have

0:36:25become even more selfless and there are

0:36:29actually just trying to help out you

0:36:30know you be the people traveling around

0:36:32and picking up the kids and just taking

0:36:34care of them and yes lets you know not a

0:36:36bad thing I i really like the twist with

0:36:39the Amish yeah well it's and what I

0:36:43really enjoyed was how he said no I've

0:36:45lied to everybody and said that there's

0:36:47a huge plague and that we have to stay

0:36:49quarantined because i don't want them to

0:36:51know what's happening and I thought to

0:36:53myself you know wow that's a terrible

0:36:56burden and a wonderful gift at the same

0:36:57time and how must it feel to have to try

0:37:00to keep up that lie every day out of

0:37:02love you know and it would work that is

0:37:04completely one hundred percent plausible

0:37:06thing and it makes the ending just

0:37:08beautiful

0:37:09you know I guess I when I read the last

0:37:11chapter and I'm holding my I was holding

0:37:13my breath through all of it through the

0:37:14epilogue and I I literally was holding

0:37:18my breath through it and then you know

0:37:21we get to the weather having lunch

0:37:23together

0:37:23uh-huh and you know you get to the last

0:37:25page and your and then I was home it was

0:37:30that mean that last paragraph was just

0:37:32burned into my mind is just like that if

0:37:34of any book I think that I've ever read

0:37:37that ending is is going to stick with me

0:37:40and has changed me more as a person into

0:37:42anything else I can think of

0:37:44oh god yeah but the thing that I liked

0:37:46about that ending so much was how after

0:37:50spending basically a book and a half

0:37:51documenting the downward slide of

0:37:53humanity both as a conceit no actually

0:37:56as a conceit as a species and as a

0:37:59condition you know where basically

0:38:01dissolving into selfish shapes and

0:38:02people are killing each other for dumb

0:38:03reasons and and all that like he chooses

0:38:06to end on this this note of deliberate

0:38:08community and deliberate com deliberate

0:38:11support and complicity where he agrees

0:38:13to be complicit in the lie and Ally

0:38:15agrees because he's like no one should

0:38:17have to be alone today and I just I was

0:38:20like wow that's that's that's a

0:38:21remarkably up the end it you know where

0:38:25he's basically a form in that young

0:38:26people can cheat people can choose to be

0:38:28good under awful circumstances over and

0:38:30over again they can choose to be good

0:38:31and and I thought that was just a

0:38:33beautiful way to in the book when

0:38:35talking about i'm sticking the landing I

0:38:37mean this is now that we're now that

0:38:39we're safely behind many spoilers horns

0:38:41balance of squiggly lines had a variable

0:38:45city tonight

0:38:46yeah so many spoilers horns uh add the

0:38:49budget for this episode 4 large with

0:38:50bringing extra extra read it

0:38:52yeah the one thing i really appreciated

0:38:55in this it it reminded me by the by the

0:38:57end of the third one

0:38:58it reminded me of the movie Penn &

0:39:00Teller get killed

0:39:01we're at the end of the movie

0:39:05sure enough Penn & Teller get killed and

0:39:07the camera pulls up in this long crane

0:39:10shot or helicopter shot and and pens

0:39:12voice comes on it goes what we named the

0:39:14movie pen until we get killed what did

0:39:15you expect would happen

0:39:17yeah and it's like me yeah the the thing

0:39:20I really like about this is that there's

0:39:23no it's not a plot about saving the end

0:39:25of the world it's not a part of about

0:39:27trying to get out of it

0:39:28it's just here's what's gonna happen

0:39:30over here you know

0:39:33oh yeah yeah and that that goes back to

0:39:35what Lisa was saying about

0:39:37and they thought they'd never blink on

0:39:39it Scott mentioned this and I mentioned

0:39:42it to an unprepossessing podcast and and

0:39:44so I guess technically that would be

0:39:45considered a spoiler but it really is

0:39:46more like you want to give the

0:39:48reassurance like you know this series is

0:39:50what it's a it's about what it's about

0:39:52and it would be a ripoff

0:39:54if in the end there was a miracle and

0:39:56and it doesn't happen and the way it

0:39:59ends is we can talk about later but it's

0:40:02you know I didn't feel like I am I was

0:40:05ripped off and I I appreciate that does

0:40:08what it says on the label this is what

0:40:09the story is about it's not not about

0:40:12that its didn't it's telling you the

0:40:14truth and what it's about the the hard

0:40:16thing to talk about when you're not

0:40:17trying to spoil it when you say he stuck

0:40:19the landing is he he does not shy away

0:40:22from he doesn't swerve and say well

0:40:24maybe in fact most of the information

0:40:26you get as things go along is just

0:40:28confirming its yeah this is gonna happen

0:40:32righty you keep wanting that moment of

0:40:34like well maybe and instead the

0:40:35information like no no really it's not

0:40:37gonna happen that would there they're

0:40:39not going to survive this

0:40:41it's just I and then you think well

0:40:42maybe it's going to Indonesia maybe that

0:40:44will be ok for us in the US

0:40:46no that's not gonna be okay either well

0:40:48what if we're away from the oceans and

0:40:50we're in the know that's not going to

0:40:51end it just keeps going like that and

0:40:54yet

0:40:54and in the end while he never blinks

0:40:58from that what what you don't get

0:41:01which I actually kind of love I I was

0:41:03dreading it and I was happy not to see

0:41:05it is you don't get to see what happens

0:41:07next

0:41:07no yes I completely agree because as

0:41:11much as I'm curious about it i firmly

0:41:14believe that some things should be left

0:41:15up to your imagination right yeah it's

0:41:18better that way right other books are

0:41:20available that deeply depict the

0:41:22horrible things that happened at the

0:41:24very end of the world but here ya

0:41:26because that an up note it takes to

0:41:28country has Henry has had his journey

0:41:30right he's taking his journey and if if

0:41:32if what happens is sometime in the next

0:41:34two hours some you know a shockwave

0:41:37happens and and breaks their bones and

0:41:39destroys the house and he bleeds to

0:41:41death you're in or whatever it is you

0:41:43know something terrible happens and they

0:41:45all died right that's what's going to

0:41:46happen next

0:41:47it doesn't matter at this point it

0:41:49doesn't matter because this is the part

0:41:50that man

0:41:51nurses the way it ends and and and i

0:41:53wanted to talk a little bit about the

0:41:55the mystery of a sort that's in the in

0:41:57this not only does he take a little trip

0:41:59but he ends up at the police station

0:42:01where there's like a bunker that's been

0:42:03constructed underneath where the fake

0:42:05we're going to save the world cult that

0:42:08includes his sister is going to end up

0:42:11and this is where he finds his sister

0:42:12and finds that finds that she's dead

0:42:15he missed her by so very little time if

0:42:19you would have not stopped to help

0:42:20somebody else along the way Joe might

0:42:22have been there in time to save her the

0:42:24the way he deals with her murder the

0:42:25person who murdered his sister the the

0:42:28way he deals with that murder is just

0:42:29phenomenal because it shows that again

0:42:31and again he chooses to to stick to that

0:42:33internal standard of civilization and he

0:42:35chooses compassion right and it's almost

0:42:38like he's subbing in what he wishes he

0:42:40could have done for Nico for this woman

0:42:42no you know and and he does point out

0:42:45while you were you were tripping balls

0:42:46at the time but there's a lot going on

0:42:48and I i think one of the things I really

0:42:51like about this in terms talk about your

0:42:53wacky confrontation scenes in in

0:42:56detective stories in or detective movies

0:42:59and things like that the the the battle

0:43:01in the bunker where we've got like an

0:43:03extra guy who we didn't know he was

0:43:04there because he was asleep or high or

0:43:07something and and and all of that and

0:43:09then I it ends up being a really great

0:43:12kind of a dramatic action e climax to

0:43:17the to this this mystery

0:43:20I really like that I thought this like

0:43:21so bizarre that we're gonna we're gonna

0:43:23go down in the bunker where they're

0:43:25supposed to be riding out to the end of

0:43:26the world we're going to break open the

0:43:27impregnable bunker and see who's down

0:43:29there I I end and that gets just

0:43:32increasingly weird i really enjoyed that

0:43:34I thought that was so strange and I and

0:43:37then in the end the choice Henry makes

0:43:40is not to stay in the bunker

0:43:41yeah I was a little heartbroken by

0:43:43Cortez because I i really loved him to

0:43:45the second book and when he shows up at

0:43:48the end of the second book to police

0:43:49house in a horse-drawn carriage and he's

0:43:51got coffee and he's like what I just

0:43:53over 25 and I'm like this is what the

0:43:55house like this with the book needs this

0:43:57random element of of levity and because

0:44:00he kinda provided this this this this

0:44:02wildcard well you know what the

0:44:04trachomatis what like there was a

0:44:05certain lightness of character I light

0:44:08and then book number three it goes away

0:44:11at the end of that was like Cortez why

0:44:13did you have to because i like i like

0:44:16that because he it they bring him in and

0:44:18he is

0:44:19yes he's funny but he is funny with an

0:44:21edge in with the dark side and he is

0:44:23he's not a good guy and I was worried

0:44:26actually that he was going to soften him

0:44:28up and have some sort of redemption arc

0:44:30for him by the end and the fact that

0:44:32didn't happen maybe I think just as

0:44:34happy as the fact that he didn't works

0:44:36out when it comes to killing the entire

0:44:38Earth with an asteroid it was the same

0:44:39kind of a same kind of with a realism

0:44:41what kind of thing going on and another

0:44:44thing that happened towards the end

0:44:45there that i enjoyed was the fact that

0:44:47not only is cortez sort of parallel you

0:44:51be a the world and the asteroid but we

0:44:53also have a weird little parallel 44

0:44:55palace himself because the we find out

0:44:58that that would help there's an FBI

0:45:00agent who he hasn't realized was an FBI

0:45:02agent this whole time

0:45:04who is also trying to find his sister

0:45:06and trying to save her because he sort

0:45:09of see the same thing in her that that

0:45:10Palace does and they both fail and you

0:45:14can feel bad for both of them

0:45:16I think you're right about Cortez I just

0:45:18I I always liked the trap of the the

0:45:21Brogue who the road who decides to have

0:45:24a last-minute change of heart and I

0:45:26think you're right it would not have

0:45:27worked here in a nice guy and maybe

0:45:30that's what makes it more poignant is is

0:45:32the fact that some people are true to

0:45:34their natures even when there's no

0:45:35reason not to be the I i also like how

0:45:37the story comes to rest with the

0:45:39exception of the the the Amish farm that

0:45:42we get the very end the story comes to

0:45:44rest at an empty police station

0:45:46so we're back Henry is also back in a

0:45:49new police station and and I like the

0:45:52sense that it's sort of like there's the

0:45:54vending machines in the kitchen and it's

0:45:56sort of I I pictured it as the eunuch

0:45:58strangely clean and together police

0:46:01station that just has nobody in it but

0:46:03this is Henry's this is where Henry gets

0:46:05to solve his last case and he still

0:46:07managed to find sort of a friend because

0:46:09he's reading through the the journals of

0:46:11that one detective recognize he liked

0:46:13her he liked her

0:46:15yeah it's in the connection right there

0:46:17right she she figures out what's going

0:46:19on and then the very sadly he he finally

0:46:22puts together what her last entry means

0:46:25and how that did that was a very bad day

0:46:27the town

0:46:28yeah yeah i I just I i love the fact

0:46:33that he doesn't want to stay in the

0:46:35bunker because part of me is like no

0:46:37dude you got a bunker that they made up

0:46:39they made a doomsday bunker and it's

0:46:40doomsday how perfect is that and it's

0:46:42open and you can just go in and they got

0:46:44stuff down there and you can you know

0:46:45who knows there's a vending machine with

0:46:47candy Christian give it a shot you never

0:46:50know and what I like that he that he

0:46:52chooses not to do that right because it

0:46:54goes back to what Lisa was saying that

0:46:56this is about somebody you know in one

0:47:00way this is Death with Dignity this is

0:47:01him deciding he's going to go out his

0:47:04you know in a in a civilized fashion and

0:47:07the world is going to not end with a you

0:47:09know just everybody tearing everything

0:47:11apart but it's going to end with sort of

0:47:13family and community and yeah I I don't

0:47:17know you're gonna you're gonna go down

0:47:19with your with your boots on and not

0:47:21cowering in the ground in a hole hoping

0:47:24to eke out a few more months and I like

0:47:28that I like that that's the decision he

0:47:29makes it

0:47:30yeah yeah yeah I'm totally with amen

0:47:34amen

0:47:35barium good job Hank palace

0:47:38good good job well I'm and how how

0:47:41boring would have been if he had stayed

0:47:43in the bunker right that's that's not

0:47:45how it's going to end well that's true

0:47:46right

0:47:47the end and they lived in function for

0:47:49Evan the end

0:47:50yeah i mean really that's when you think

0:47:52about I i would find that a much more

0:47:54depressing endia even if there's some

0:47:56sort of hope that in 15 years he can you

0:47:58know continue on I just that would have

0:48:01horrible existence that probably is i I

0:48:03just I still have thoughts about that

0:48:05poor girl down there all by herself like

0:48:08but that did just going to go insane

0:48:10here it's not okay so-so palace she said

0:48:14I guess you're the last policeman the

0:48:17edge that would not be something that

0:48:21would not be some good i I don't I don't

0:48:23advocate that anything i'm glad that it

0:48:25didn't I I

0:48:26I mean we didn't mention but i really

0:48:28love where he kind of runs the runs the

0:48:31gauntlet a little bit in terms of

0:48:32getting to the Amish farm i really

0:48:34enjoyed that not only doesn't meet that

0:48:35he meets the wacky couple that like

0:48:37naked couple for the RV and then

0:48:40realizes that there is like is it like

0:48:43metal work that's done by the there's

0:48:45the standard concrete work that's not

0:48:47great

0:48:47yeah with a stamp from the Amish guy

0:48:49puts that together and then he goes out

0:48:50to the farm and is basically threatened

0:48:55and told to leave and and with bodily

0:48:58harm and chooses not to and I really

0:49:00like that to that he's hard-headed at

0:49:03that moment he just wants to get this

0:49:04solved and I I'm not a bad guy you know

0:49:07and I I just it's there's some moments

0:49:10that really have stuck with me from this

0:49:11book really if there's ever at you know

0:49:13I've got nothing to lose sort of a time

0:49:15and this is probably it so yeah I I

0:49:18could see myself perhaps being even more

0:49:20hard-headed than normal and and really

0:49:22going for it in that sort of situation

0:49:24because you know he can he keep sort of

0:49:26saying to himself this is no I don't

0:49:28have much time I've got to get this

0:49:30figured out he really needs the

0:49:31policeman he's a detective needs to

0:49:33solve the mystery before it's all over

0:49:34ya mean it really follows through the

0:49:37classic noir troops of you know again

0:49:41the the detective who has to find the

0:49:43truth and and just this sort of streak

0:49:46of nihilism except you know in a Philip

0:49:48Marlowe novel the world isn't literally

0:49:49going to end but here it is

0:49:52but but again you know it's all those

0:49:54troops that the Chandler inhabit were

0:49:56using to exactly yeah these are these

0:49:59are all detective stories and crime

0:50:02stories there's just this whole a whole

0:50:03other layer that mean the darkness of

0:50:05something like like Anwar that might

0:50:08that that might seem like where we where

0:50:10is that coming from I guess it's coming

0:50:12from the souls of corrupt people and

0:50:13things like that it's like here as well

0:50:15you know it's be astrally yeah it's

0:50:17kinda like Raymond Chandler's on the

0:50:19beach

0:50:19yeah there you go wow yeah David does it

0:50:24again

0:50:25yeah Wow trouble so much coffee goes

0:50:28he's done if you if you chose to be be

0:50:31spoiled anyway and still haven't read

0:50:33these books you should read them if you

0:50:34like if you like it that but again as

0:50:36Erica said you should probably be a good

0:50:38place they are they are hot

0:50:40word on where they're easy to read but

0:50:42they they take you on an emotional

0:50:44journey I mean you are journeying

0:50:45through the it's it's it's tough

0:50:50there's tough it's tough stuff and it's

0:50:52a dark place and although it ends on

0:50:54what is about note for a series of books

0:50:58like this it's not that kind of up note

0:51:00if they enter the world of note but it's

0:51:03not that into you know what character

0:51:05comes to rest at an appropriate place

0:51:08yeah it's very satisfying from a

0:51:09narrative perspective from an emotional

0:51:11perspective you will be erect for about

0:51:132,400 please please

0:51:15yeah you'll have full no i don't know if

0:51:18the rest of you have this but I had the

0:51:20what would I do

0:51:22yeah that's why would you read a book

0:51:24about the end of the world and i'll ask

0:51:25yourself what you do at the end of the

0:51:27world that's the Holy yeah and I i found

0:51:29myself at and I'd I didn't get any

0:51:33closer to clarity over the course of

0:51:34three bones I I'm you know and I was I

0:51:36was I was like well I know I wouldn't be

0:51:38like this person or I would not want to

0:51:40do that and then I thought why just

0:51:41don't help

0:51:42well you-you-you we need to find John

0:51:45Syracuse's a mountaintop read i was just

0:51:48gonna say i was just here to have a plan

0:51:50he's gonna pick me up he's always got a

0:51:52plan i was gonna say I'm gonna go go

0:51:54hang out with jen Syracuse and not go

0:51:56anywhere near legacy Black Snow not

0:52:00Alexis house

0:52:01why what is lex plenty and I guess you

0:52:03got us all the BBQ well did you know

0:52:05this was this was were you not on the

0:52:07dogstars now I was no soda

0:52:10well that's what I all well yeah you can

0:52:12listen to that in here loud legs to the

0:52:14lexus pairs for the lives of his

0:52:15children would end would end their in

0:52:17their lives in a gentle way before the

0:52:19zombies come and John Syracuse's like no

0:52:22no I got a plan

0:52:23send your kids to me I'll take care of

0:52:25them will be fine oh my god of the video

0:52:27is your family to be comfortable John

0:52:31Syracuse's got a solid lead he's gonna

0:52:33break down there yeah he's got a plan

0:52:35he's got a plan for all of us just like

0:52:36Jesus that way yeah that's what I was

0:52:40going for that and so thank you I'm just

0:52:44admit you're bringing my imagery into

0:52:46separate longest gospel at the end of

0:52:49the world centerpiece will take care of

0:52:51all of us don't worry in the open

0:52:53basket together oh yes I see into the

0:52:58hypercritical society that is to come

0:53:00you can't pronounce it like that

0:53:03this is the only time we have left her

0:53:05this podcast is not you know like Star

0:53:07yeah so did I you know again you need to

0:53:10be in the right place you need to be

0:53:12willing to take that journey but

0:53:13especially if you like

0:53:15good police story detective stories it

0:53:19uh III I it was not work to go through

0:53:23them it would have left an emotional

0:53:25impact but they were all really really

0:53:27enjoyable fun I don't you again

0:53:31hey they pulled me through it they I I

0:53:35did not want to stop reading at any

0:53:37point in all three books i just wanted

0:53:39to keep reading them so take that for

0:53:40what it's worth that's a but not fun

0:53:43sorry Erica I shouldn't say fun one is

0:53:46the wrong leaves the wrong impression

0:53:48another series that reminds me of is

0:53:50Martin Cruz Smith's books about

0:53:52detective Arcady Renko who starts it as

0:53:56an ascot police detective when he goes

0:53:58through all kinds of horrible jobs that

0:54:00he is forced through after he pursued

0:54:02the truth to it sin and then he winds up

0:54:05being a detective again after the fall

0:54:07of the Soviet Union and then again it's

0:54:10sort of that that nihilistic hopeless

0:54:13kind of existence although again doesn't

0:54:16literally be in the end of the world but

0:54:19it's that same kind of I don't think

0:54:22I've mood

0:54:23the detective alright well you've been

0:54:25you've gotten our recommendations and

0:54:27our warnings now listen to the smiths

0:54:33all reading this Tim yet

0:54:34yes certainly not have have I have a

0:54:37bunch of the dvds of romantic comedies

0:54:39ready to go in order for YouTube clips

0:54:42of the stuff that makes you laugh or

0:54:44whatever your comfort food is not such

0:54:45all ready to go watch love actually yeah

0:54:48so Erica not season 8 of Doctor Who that

0:54:51right no have some some anyway before we

0:54:57go I like to go around and ask people

0:54:59what are you reading is there a book

0:55:01that you've read lately or that you're

0:55:03really that

0:55:04no that you just finished that you would

0:55:06like to or again you could be recently

0:55:09that you'd like to recommend or mention

0:55:11that you you read this is a good time to

0:55:13do that because this is the time where

0:55:14I'm going to ask you that David what are

0:55:15you reading

0:55:16well I'm since I'm in writing mode right

0:55:19now I'm all nonfiction because if i

0:55:22start reading fiction i will start just

0:55:25done consciously picking up the style of

0:55:28whatever i'm reading and that's not a

0:55:29good thing so i just finished a book

0:55:32called when Magoo flew the history of

0:55:35the UPA animation studio where they did

0:55:38mr. Magoo and Gerald blowing blowing but

0:55:41they also did some brilliant standalone

0:55:43like adaptations of james thurber and

0:55:46Edgar Allan Poe and a lot of the graphic

0:55:51work they did his influence advertising

0:55:54and animation since then so it's really

0:55:57fascinating book and then it's there was

0:55:59sort of an idyllic studio that just sort

0:56:02of fell apart when when push came to

0:56:05shove but it's it's a really interesting

0:56:07story and then i went from that into yes

0:56:11please by Amy Poehler because Amy

0:56:13Poehler Erica what are you reading

0:56:16well I i need some comfort reading

0:56:19actually if you're going back so i

0:56:21reread one of my favorite probably my

0:56:25favorite Sarah Addison Ellen books and i

0:56:27think i mentioned her on the last book

0:56:29club the first book I ever read by her

0:56:31was called the sugar queen and it's a

0:56:33it's about a young girl who

0:56:35well she's actually not that young just

0:56:36like 27 but she is very very sheltered

0:56:39and her mother has been drinking

0:56:42sheltering her on purpose because she

0:56:44just wanted to take care of her and and

0:56:46she eats a lot and she's up a heroine a

0:56:49main character who is is buried

0:56:53basically overweight and they don't make

0:56:54a big deal about it in the book but it

0:56:56is it is one of the attributes of her

0:56:59and she comes home one day to find a one

0:57:02of these sort of tawdry women in town

0:57:03hiding in her closet and blackmails her

0:57:06because she finds her secret stash of

0:57:07candy in the back of this closet and the

0:57:11head says you need to let me hide here

0:57:12i'm gonna tell everybody about about

0:57:14this and then it's a very sort of

0:57:16heartwarming

0:57:17re over the course of it that this girl

0:57:20gets helped by the more worldly woman

0:57:23and and there's that there's a little

0:57:25bit of supernatural stuff going on which

0:57:27would i would ruin the book if I if I

0:57:29explain it in case anybody wants to read

0:57:31it so i had to read that again to kind

0:57:34of calm myself and make myself happy and

0:57:36then the other thing I've been reading

0:57:37is the first issue of uncanny magazine

0:57:40which is a new magazine of short fiction

0:57:43and interviews and and essays and stuff

0:57:47that I am producing the podcast

0:57:49co-producing with with my husband

0:57:52Stephen co-producing the podcast for so

0:57:54I got a free subscription

0:57:57yeah yeah I saw you tweeting about that

0:58:00today I have a Kickstarter subscription

0:58:02for that so yeah I think I actually did

0:58:04it actually did kick in money on

0:58:05Kickstarter so technically it wasn't

0:58:07free but will work for subscription but

0:58:09I've been really enjoying it

0:58:11there are some excellent excellent

0:58:12stories in there and I'm fine I've

0:58:15really been enjoying I'm still not quite

0:58:17all the way through the first one

0:58:18because I've been so busy but I'm

0:58:19getting there and I'm loving it right

0:58:22Lisa what are you reading I just

0:58:24finished station 11 and I can't shut up

0:58:26about it

0:58:26by Emily st. John mandal and I really

0:58:31hope we do in a comfortable book about

0:58:33this soon because yeah that's going to

0:58:35be on the agenda for for january it is

0:58:37basically do remember how during the

0:58:39stand podcast we were like well how

0:58:41would this work in an era of the

0:58:42internet

0:58:44oh and this book we're not quite sure

0:58:45well this book basically answers that

0:58:47question

0:58:48uh-huh and it's wonderful and lyrical

0:58:51and there are that there there's a

0:58:56there's a there's an indie comics plot

0:58:58line that runs through it as well as the

0:59:00as well as a fluid devastates into the

0:59:01world

0:59:02it's beautiful and again I can't stop

0:59:06thinking about it the other things I've

0:59:08been reading i'm a huge harry s temper

0:59:11fan and I don't think she gets enough

0:59:14credit in sci-fi circles and i finished

0:59:16her most recent novel which is fish

0:59:18tales which is about preparing for in

0:59:21the coming environmental apocalypse

0:59:23ok on and along those lines I am

0:59:27currently i'm also reading slow

0:59:28apocalypse by John Varley

0:59:30haha it's looking at once inserted some

0:59:32sort of romantic story here but pepper

0:59:35and pepper and barley or both longtime

0:59:37favorites of mine i am more engaged in

0:59:41their older work but i have not yet

0:59:43figured out whether it's because I was a

0:59:45younger reader than and it was easier to

0:59:48fall into books and not climb out or if

0:59:53you know it's it's it's old but on old

0:59:55reader means an old author and there's a

0:59:57lot of baggage on both ends I don't know

0:59:58but I'm

0:59:58but I'm

1:00:00hopeful that the that barleys book slow

1:00:02apocalipsis is a return to form because

1:00:04he kind of veered off track with his

1:00:05mark series and i'm also reading william

1:00:09gibson's the peripherals in fit the

1:00:11peripheral fits and starts

1:00:13well the thing about Gibson is if I have

1:00:14like six hours and a head cold it's

1:00:17really really fun because you know you

1:00:19just like take a lot of sudafed and it

1:00:23lets you fall right into his prose style

1:00:25because these protocells is

1:00:26simultaneously spare and overheated

1:00:29so you know reading so to me totally

1:00:32he's kind of equivalent of like that

1:00:34that out of that that out of your head

1:00:36feeling that you get the first you have

1:00:37a really bad cold so I like to read and

1:00:39what I'm sit just because i had this way

1:00:41like what I'm feeling in my head matches

1:00:43up with anything on the screen so

1:00:45station eleven Scott multi the mentioned

1:00:48at the beginning helping his mom good

1:00:50son etc etc he all he said that station

1:00:5411 is I believe his favorite book of the

1:00:56year will have to check in with him its

1:00:59center on their end episode to make sure

1:01:01but yeah everybody likes it and I've got

1:01:04it in the queue but I haven't I haven't

1:01:05read it yet i'm currently reading

1:01:08ancillary sword by unlucky the sequel to

1:01:10Angela ancillary justice about

1:01:12two-thirds of the way through it love it

1:01:14another good one and I i finished the

1:01:18madness of angels which I mentioned on

1:01:19the previous podcast the the London

1:01:22urban fantasy podcast that i was reading

1:01:24I did finish that that was very long it

1:01:26was good but it was so long very long so

1:01:29I'm not going to come back to that

1:01:30series for a while I think and the book

1:01:32that I finished is the peripheral by

1:01:35william gibson which starts it is what

1:01:39may be the most confused I've been in

1:01:41the science-fiction book in a long time

1:01:43where it starts where I like I'm not

1:01:45sure who these people are or what

1:01:47they're doing or what I'm supposedly

1:01:49seeing and then there's a moment for me

1:01:51there's a moment I don't know it i read

1:01:55on my Kindle so I'm gonna say like

1:01:56fifteen percent of the way through

1:01:57fifteen twenty percent of the way

1:01:59through where I'm like oh and at that

1:02:01point it was a you know it was

1:02:04delightful actually the rest of the way

1:02:05through it is a very strange book with a

1:02:07very strange premise

1:02:10yes it's so we

1:02:12and I'm not sure I'm not sure I like how

1:02:15it ends only because i'm not quite sure

1:02:17I kind of felt like he just said ok

1:02:20that's enough

1:02:21show's over everybody and then and then

1:02:23the end of the story was hoping I ok

1:02:25because I can I read it was like oh yeah

1:02:28okay that was a lot of fun that was a

1:02:29fun ride and then the next day I was

1:02:31thinking about wait how does it end

1:02:33that's what you know and it's not like

1:02:35it ends like to be continued to

1:02:36something it's more like really okay

1:02:38that was I guess that was the end he

1:02:41wanted it in strangely i guess i would

1:02:44say but I i found it so enjoyable to go

1:02:46from being completely baffled about what

1:02:49I was reading to getting it and then

1:02:51taking sort of delight in the weird

1:02:53alternate futures that we see and that's

1:02:57a little hint

1:02:58there's two timelines that are

1:03:00intersecting and various it's so bizarre

1:03:03I'll stock up on the city Feathersword

1:03:05oh yeah you mean you said you may need

1:03:07some extra extra nyquil to defense

1:03:12oh my god that were just right but

1:03:14anyway I Indian I didn't do it overall

1:03:16does not endorse robotripping before six

1:03:19seven but but uh you know except for

1:03:21wave gets it apparently but anyway

1:03:22wherever I i enjoyed reading it and then

1:03:26afterward I was like what was that which

1:03:29is kind of funny but it was it was fun

1:03:31to read it so yeah that's what i'm

1:03:33reading and that means we've reached the

1:03:34end

1:03:35mhm that's a podcast we did a podcast we

1:03:37talk about books i like talking about

1:03:39books we should do we should do state

1:03:41station eleven i think we're gonna have

1:03:42to do that

1:03:43yeah oh my god will America just opt out

1:03:47yeah it's a find a happier book

1:03:50why do we keep reading these apocalypse

1:03:52books I don't all of my friends to read

1:03:54this book club quality books and went

1:03:55crazy over Donna Tartt and all that all

1:03:57of them are just hysterical with joy

1:04:00over station eleven as well it really is

1:04:02one of these books that works across

1:04:03multiple audiences it so it's on all the

1:04:0610 best books of the year list that I've

1:04:08seen coming out

1:04:09it's definitely it's it's a it's a site

1:04:13guy stewie kind of I've wanted white

1:04:15look so far was the first know the first

1:04:17time I went straight through and then

1:04:18the second time I went back because its

1:04:20nonlinear so the first time I read it

1:04:22through and then the second time I went

1:04:24back because i read i have it on my

1:04:26kindle

1:04:26second time I went back and picked apart

1:04:27certain plot threads to see how well

1:04:29they hung together and how well they

1:04:31spin out individually and that and

1:04:33rereading it the second time just maybe

1:04:35like it more good son yeah it's oh my

1:04:38god is amazing

1:04:39alright so stay tuned for that in

1:04:41January but that at that wraps up this

1:04:44edition of the incomparable book club

1:04:46Scott thank you for not participating I

1:04:50don't know thank you for thank you for

1:04:52moving your mom is what I think you're

1:04:54being your good something my crew that

1:04:56we thank you for the lower thanks for

1:05:00being here thank you i will see you all

1:05:01at Syracuse's yeah we will

1:05:04yes yeah next next year and Syracuse's

1:05:08mountaintop read out the spider thank

1:05:10you for being here thank you hope I'm

1:05:13invited to syracuse yes sure

1:05:15come on along and eric and sign you can

1:05:18go days John Syracuse's or his Canadian

1:05:20equivalent if you prefer

1:05:22thank you for being here thank you for

1:05:24having me and everybody out there thanks

1:05:27for listing the world despite what

1:05:29you've heard will continue so we'll see

1:05:32you next week

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