00:00:00 ◼ ► so great when we knew that we were going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/0">TS</a>]
00:00:01 ◼ ► to be in san francisco together i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► thinking how interesting it would be to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► record cortex in person especially when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► you put it on the calendar and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/8">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► like the whole look at this going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/10">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► in san francisco it's gonna be a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/12">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► experience like recording in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/14">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► room we've never done that before so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/16">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► here we are we're in san francisco both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/18">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► in the same hotel recording the show but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/21">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► can you tell people where you are right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/24">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► now i am in my hotel room talking to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/26">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► yeah this is the way podcast were meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/30">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► to be Mike it never occurred to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/33">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► would be recording in person this is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/35">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► I always envisioned this moment we like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/37">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► in the same building and we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/40">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► on skype just this is so inefficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/41">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► know but this is perfectly efficient you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/44">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► shouldn't do a podcast while looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/47">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► your podcast and co-host I feel very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/49">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► you should only ever hear them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/52">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► the audience only ever hears them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/53">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► also it's super weird to record podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/56">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► person I would be so uncomfortable if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/57">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► was looking in your little Mike eyeballs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/60">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► right now and trying to record a show I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/62">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► don't think I could do it I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/63">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► you need to be starting the show by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/66">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► going like live from san francisco it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/67">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► mike and gray it's the mic and gray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/70">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► yeah even though we are in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/74">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► hotel room it does still feel different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/75">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► somehow I don't know how but it does but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/77">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► I mean maybe it's different because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/79">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► had to see you five minutes ago to grab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/80">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► your ipad to tether to do the show in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/83">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► the first place and it was a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/85">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► weird seeing you in person doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/86">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► show but yes it does feel different a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/88">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► computer i'm not using any of my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/93">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► mmm i'm recording in front of a mirror [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/95">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► I've never recorded a podcast in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/99">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► of a mirror before but I'm doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/100">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► right now just imagine that mirror was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/103">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► me and how much more uncomfortable would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/106">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► you be that's why this is the right way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/108">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► to do this right now okay that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/109">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► something in person to make a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/113">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► days ago to record this we recorded the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/115">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► first annual Relay khan in person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/118">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► a little surprised we kept it we kept it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/122">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► secret until the last moment that i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/124">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► going to be showing up at the end and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/126">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► say hello to everybody that was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/128">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► a lot of fun right because you're at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/131">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► we we made each other on sunday or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/133">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► saturday and we kind of had to keep you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/136">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► a secret in san francisco until monday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/139">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► night which even included because we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/142">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► a an event we had an audience of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► that has people coming in I asked you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/146">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► not speak let's go talk to anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/149">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► experience in the preparation for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/157">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► show because obviously you and Stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/159">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► were doing all of the set up by getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/162">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► the stage ready and you have everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/164">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► there and I'm there because i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/166">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► see the environment where what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/167">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► going to look like how is the stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/169">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► going to be set up you need to be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/171">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► in advance for one of these events but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► then as people started trickling in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/174">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► when I was just in what was a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/176">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► antisocial nerd and just stand in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/181">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► corner and look at my phone for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/183">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► everybody's coming in the room part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/188">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► the show and it's like great this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/190">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► this is the perfect camouflage I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/191">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► gonna stand here we look at my phone i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/193">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► going to go over the notes for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/195">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► we're going to do onstage and hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/197">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► no one will come up and talk to me which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/199">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► is exactly what happened so perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/201">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► camouflage yeah what were you well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/203">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► this section that we turn the stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/205">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► never was really fun enjoy it a lot you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/206">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► yes for people who were not there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/211">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► person the one thing that i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/213">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► the live viewers were able to see that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/216">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► was able to see the best that was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/219">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► absolute favorite was the terror in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/221">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► Mike's eyes of having a uncontrollable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/224">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► thank you they were quite a few times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/231">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► when I would start to say something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/233">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► I feel like you suddenly realize this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/235">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► you can't you can't do anything now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/239">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► you didn't know what was going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/242">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► I would like start to tell the story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/243">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► I could see in your eyes like what is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/245">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► going to say and then I was a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/247">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► mean because I thought you didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/250">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► that was going to bring you a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/252">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► no I thought oh I know what I'll do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/254">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► Mike when I come on stage I will have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/256">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► in my hand and I will place it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/259">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► table right in between the two of us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/261">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► point to it to make sure that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/263">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► see what it is and you went to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/265">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► about and I was like no the mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/267">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► boxes for later when this is all often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/268">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► microphone and remember you're kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/271">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► just like don't look at that now leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/273">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► I like always in this box Luke I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/275">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► I didn't for one moment expect it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/279">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► gift i just didn't know what it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/281">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► was off microphone but I just it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/283">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► little bit me if I didn't want to kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/285">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► of plant the idea in your head like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/286">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► there's a mystery pox on the table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/287">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► what's in the mystery box like what's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/289">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► the box man right you'll find out later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/291">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► you'll find out at the end and what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/293">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► in the box like a wooden bow tie it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/295">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► the most beautiful hipster bowtie yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► had ever seen and i thought i had to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/300">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► well the best moment is when I realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► it was made of wood because I opened the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/305">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► box and just thought it was a nice bow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/307">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► mhm and as I can't think you picked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/309">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► up and screamed I think laughter when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/311">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► thought it was made of wood and I put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/314">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► on and I wore it for the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/316">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► evening and was worried that I was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/318">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► to slash my jugular with it every now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/320">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► and then I would move my head and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/322">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► would feel and think raised against my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/325">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► no but isn't this the epitome of fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/328">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► Mike that something is supposed to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/332">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► uncomfortable isn't that what high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/337">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► fashion is and you look very fashionable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/339">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► it's kind of like the macbook adorable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► right like it looks fabulous but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/342">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► is just so much terror when using kiss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/344">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► the battery runs out or I will not let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/346">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► you besmirched the reputation of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/348">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► macbook adorable like that i've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/350">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► using it for whatever it is it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/352">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► two weeks now since the last time we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/354">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► spoke about it i absolutely love this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/356">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► machine i'm using it right now and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/357">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► sure you will be happy to know that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/360">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► the bargain basement price of eighty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/363">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► dollars i was able to get an adapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/366">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► allows me to plug in the power and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/368">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► microphone at the same time the total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/371">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► steal at the same time the great buys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/373">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► that adapter he tries to convince me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/376">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► buy a macbook mhm and you got close man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/378">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► I mean I've like them for a while but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/381">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► when I had to put this macbook pro in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/383">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► oh it was like carrying 20 computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/388">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► that was a long time ago it's this brick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/390">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► it just it just feels heavy it's huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/393">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► it's this thing that you have to carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/396">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► and I'm feeling really smug about myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/397">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► because everyone was saying all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/399">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► gonna be new computers at WWDC and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/401">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► weren't so I don't even even better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/403">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► decision to get my little netbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/405">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► yeah i wish i would have had the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/407">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► beforehand because there's no point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/410">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► there's no point buying it now Sandra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/411">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► bring into computers home that I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/413">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► kind of suck everything should be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/416">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► great great ideas don't come along very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/418">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► often and this is especially true if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/420">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► idea that you've had results and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/423">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► what you've had that great idea you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/427">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► somewhere to actually sell it online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/429">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► that once you finally got around to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/431">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► getting that online store set up just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/433">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► the way that you want you'll need to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/435">TS</a>]
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00:08:41 ◼ ► I guess this word maybe the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/521">TS</a>]
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00:09:09 ◼ ► normally do because you know for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/549">TS</a>]
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00:09:13 ◼ ► you can just start again and you cut out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/553">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► the part that was messed up and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/555">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► happens all the time on the podcast that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/556">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► idea where you Yusei thought and you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/558">TS</a>]
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00:09:24 ◼ ► a better listening experience and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/564">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► that you do a bunch of your shows live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/567">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► and speaking with people who do most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/570">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► their podcast live that they learn to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/573">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► just talk in a different way than I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/575">TS</a>]
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00:09:54 ◼ ► record cortex live for the listeners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/594">TS</a>]
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00:09:59 ◼ ► can listen to them live you can if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/599">TS</a>]
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00:10:05 ◼ ► shows goes live and and listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/605">TS</a>]
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00:10:09 ◼ ► prefer to talk for the recording but yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/609">TS</a>]
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00:10:48 ◼ ► it again and so doing it live is is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/648">TS</a>]
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00:12:37 ◼ ► about what I'm doing right because i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/757">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► a whole you know my boy I planned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/759">TS</a>]
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00:12:58 ◼ ► like how am I gonna help great get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/778">TS</a>]
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00:13:03 ◼ ► and remove it and I was like my job's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/783">TS</a>]
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00:13:14 ◼ ► terrace of like I'm losing control in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/794">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► what about you but you point out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/799">TS</a>]
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00:13:23 ◼ ► anyone's ever onstage like I made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/803">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► conscious decision to do with thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/805">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► which was sit further from you than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/807">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► would if we were just talking to each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/810">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► other and like a lunch it's like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/812">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► going to be further away from you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/814">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► then I intentionally there are some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/816">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► photos where you can you can see it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/819">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► i am basically like three-quarters of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/820">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► the way facing the audience and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/823">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► quarter of the way facing you and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/825">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► is what i mean by like you can learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/827">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► presentation skills if you do this a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/829">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► bunch because it's it's a situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/832">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► where like Mike asks me a question and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/834">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► then I would turn to the audience to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/837">TS</a>]
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00:14:03 ◼ ► do that kind of thing you can't help but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/843">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► talk in like a louder more animated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/846">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► voice when you're looking at a group of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/849">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► people because your monkey brain is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/851">TS</a>]
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00:14:15 ◼ ► over there they can't they can't see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/855">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► very well and so you have to talk much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/857">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► more loudly whereas if i SAT really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/859">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► close to you and looks like right into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/862">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► your eyes you know strated you you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/864">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► going to talk in a in a different way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/866">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► like but that's just that's just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/869">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► trick to get your monkey brain to act in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/871">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► a certain way that it wouldn't naturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/875">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► do it now this is like the staging of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/876">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► an environment so is you know it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/880">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► I not necessarily like a thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/883">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► super like to do like live high-stakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/887">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► presentations but it is a it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/893">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► totally like a learnable skill and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/895">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► a thing that you can get better at with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/900">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► like was it I know I know it's difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/905">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► it's difficult for me as well like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/906">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► leading up to it i just felt terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/909">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► right like i was just remember I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/912">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► always like this of any kind of speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/914">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► thing right until the moment where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/916">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► I feel terrible and then one soon as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/919">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► begins on i'm good to go but overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/922">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► like I really enjoyed it and I'm very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/925">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► really happy that I was able to put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/928">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► surprises in that i was able to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/930">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► and structure the way to do it because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/932">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► think it made a really fun event for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/934">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► people listening but did you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/935">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► enjoy being a part of it against these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/937">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► the first question is did I enjoy being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/942">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► a part of real icon and the answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/944">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► yes like it was fun to be there it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/946">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► it was fun to have a little secret and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/950">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► then surprise for everybody i'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/953">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► excited i think when you listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/955">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► audio and I get to that final segment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/957">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► you can hear me like so I'm like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/959">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► yeah yeah you're like you're like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/963">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► little boy know something you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/964">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► yeah that's exactly what's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/967">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► there so having the surprise and having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/968">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► a little bit of a secret that was fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/971">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► and I also have to say that i am not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/973">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► super social person and this whole week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/977">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► has been just incredibly draining in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/979">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► variety of ways for me but again an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/982">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► event like real Akon is a thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/985">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► can mentally prepare for and I can shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/987">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► into a different mode for and so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/991">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► like the fun before getting ready for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/996">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► the surprise and then on stage is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/998">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► this is this is like a moment of working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► and like i said before it's it's a skill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► that you can learn to get better at when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► I used to be like a student in school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► like in high school I would hate public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► speaking and I i think a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1016">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► probably have the experience that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► really really hate public speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► because their last time they did it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► when they had to get up and give you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► book report or whatever it's cool again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► it's not a fun environment does not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► was not an enjoyable experience having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► to do that because I go it's cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► here's you have to give a presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► on a bunch of busy work that matters to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► nobody and nobody cares about not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► your classmates you know nobody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► interested you're not interested in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► thing that you're talking about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► teacher quite frankly is only feigning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► interest in whatever you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► none of your classmates care what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► talking about like that experience that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► most people have with public speaking is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► environment to ever experience what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► public speaking is like but i think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► most people's last memories of it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► wasn't until I was in college and had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► start doing some presentations on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► research material that i was working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► where it was oh I am now doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► presentation on a topic that is of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► interest to me and then to people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► are in the same field where they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► interested in it and now that's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► different experience and so the relay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► thing falls into that event where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► i'm giving a presentation and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► talking about stuff that is of interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► to me we're talking about like apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► programming and developments in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► Apple world and we're doing it in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► of an audience of people who have flown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► from very far locations to be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► it's like that that situation is totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► different because the audience wants you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► to do well and you're talking about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► thing that is of interest to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► so it's it's much much easier to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► kind of thing than what most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► think of as public speaking so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► still for me it's still high stakes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► experience like almost like it's a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► of a blackout between stepping on stage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► and stepping off stage like I really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► just mainly have the memory of Mike's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► terrified eyes on stage and then when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► think about it now I'm really thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► about having listened to the recording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► so it's almost like i black out for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► little bit so it's hard to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► being on stage is super fun but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► it's a different experience than what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► most people probably thinking of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► public speaking but the thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► really did like then is a matte real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► Akon I can prepare for this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► event where one giving a presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► and then too I know that I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► hang out afterwards and say hi to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► in the audience and and being prepared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► for that like oh this is kind of great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► I get offstage and i have to say is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► the evening was me just kind of bouncing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► from person to person and hearing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► similar thing over and over again which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► was great which was people talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► how listening to this show with us as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► seriously working on side project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► x or has helped them clarify their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► thinking about prioritization in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► life or help them thinking through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► intentional decisions and so like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► what that was really great that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► really great to just bounce around for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► people in there like you know I know one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► guy come up to me and said he you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► he started to teach himself programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► entirely because of listening to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► show because he just been like thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► about it but then realized why don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► just just start like this is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► sensible way to spend a bunch of my time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► you know and so that kind of thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► really nice you feel like you're having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► and an influence on people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► hearing what you are saying and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► nice to hear that kind of thing for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► in person in an environment where i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► prepared for it like people are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► come up to me and they're going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► hi and then I come ready to have little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► conversations with people so it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► yeah i'm bringing please you did it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► even for just that after part working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► people can come up and say the shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1257">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► that I like and what they like about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► lumen i love to talk to people about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► this sort of stuff is just nice to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► a place where you have people telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► you that they enjoy your work and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► makes a difference and I've heard people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► say to us this to me about context we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► did a meet up in London before we came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► out to san francisco and i met if you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► there as well he was saying same to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► simple things like cortex isn't Leo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► inspired me to do the right project that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► i wanted to do stuff like that and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► really nice to hear that and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► especially nice to hear that stuff when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► you can see someone's face was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► yeah i agree it's it's the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► kind of feedback then it is getting an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► email or or seeing comments on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► yep it's just different when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► shaking the hand of the guy who's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► happy that a thing in his life is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► different now it's just it's a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► different experience to have that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► like you say this you know I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► been out to WWDC for like this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1317">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► week in addition to even just the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► Akon part of it has that characteristic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► of what you were just saying of there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► this unique feeling when you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► but group of people who are together who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► are all sharing the same or similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► interests you know it's it's it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► different and so I feel like at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1339">TS</a>]
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00:22:33 ◼ ► conversation with any other person in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► that room right you can just say hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► well you know what are your favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► shows what do you like to listen to or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► you know what did you think about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► event today and apple like everyone in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► that room can just start a conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► with somebody else and you know you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► a like a commonality and that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► I think packs of monkeys they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► liked that they really need that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1371">TS</a>]
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00:24:02 ◼ ► lot of invoices I do pay a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1442">TS</a>]
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00:24:56 ◼ ► cortex and all of real afm so was here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► we have been engaging in a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► activities and a lot of those have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► visits to places and one of the places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► yeah hold on it's almost like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► Mike because I just want to listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► understand what I was sold on coming to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► San Francisco next week and what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► received because yeah you know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► convinced me to book a hotel room in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► Francisco with the possibility of coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► out for real akon & wwc back when this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► was more just like a glimmer in Mike's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► eyes he wanted me to just put but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► reservation in the hotel room just so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► so I did it was fine and since that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► point until right before the event might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► kept telling me this line of all hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► come on out gonna be really easy there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► there's nothing to do during the days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► you're going to have the whole of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► days to yourself huh really relaxed yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► and you know maybe that's just like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► event in the evening but there's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► to do all day long and so I had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► vision of my trip as i'm going to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► out here and we're going to get up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► the morning i'm going to do my usual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► little routine and I'm going to find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► lovely cafe somewhere gonna go gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► some writing gonna come back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► hotel i'll change into my exercise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► outfit i'm going to go for a run along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► the bay i'll come back shower relax get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► lunch spend the afternoon reading you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► know and then maybe in the evening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► there's some dinner i'm going to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► and this is going to be my time in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► what happened at all in my defense area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► in between so this i thought this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► your doing not mine in this is now this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► is your doing what you're doing in we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► can listen to the side here in between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► me saying that to you and us being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► now you said to me you can manage my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► yeah but I thought I vaguely thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► that this was what the evening things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► would be is like oh my you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► manage my calendar also some daytime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► stuff and you know what like we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► to talk about our visit to facebook and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► then at the end of this discussion again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► listen that can decide whatever this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► something that you are happy you did or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► not but you said to me you look after my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► calendar you invite me to all other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► things and I did that I just I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► invite you to things they went in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► you know you didn't have to do them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► live your own life and I just need some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► now I understand I understand but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► one of these things where it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► little drip drip drip like for the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► whatever it is three months I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► slowly piece by piece stuff has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► showing up on my calendar like Oh Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► invited to this event Mike invited to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► this event i just kind of accepted them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► and it wasn't until we were here that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► realized what actually was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► occur which is everyday essentially from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► the moment I wake up until the moment I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► yeah quite frankly there was more on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► calendar by the end of this week than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► expected there would be like I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► anticipation of this month of travel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► this week in particular I've already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► like pulled back the amount of work that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► I was intending to do but even still I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► realize like okay I accomplished gray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► industries business-wise literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► nothing during this whole trip like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► didn't open up a text file can reply to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► an email is it's like nothing got done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► in that aspect because there was always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► something else to do and so what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► about to talk about is we took this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► trip anyway we essentially took like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► whole road trip for an entire day again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► I was gonna have atomizer like nope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► guess what you're going to be in the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► with three other podcasters driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► seeing the whole bunch of stuff and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► you know it was just crazy it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► absolutely was absolutely just a crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► being handsome but not not what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► imagined which is like this is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► be half of vacation with some you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► dinner events to go to it like nope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► every day all day stuff to do but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► thank you for arranging it almost always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► so we took a road trip so it was me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► you and federal poverty changed even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► Hackett we took a road trip down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► cupertino Wednesday apples company store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► took some pictures outside of infinite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► loop we want allowed inside i'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► working on our side we were specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► not allowed inside you got closest you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► what you walked up to the door right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► take a picture yeah you guys were even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► afraid to walk to the the door but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► weren't allowed in i might become the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► other first I'm going to sign in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► store that that was that for me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► decided if we've driven all the way down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► to the one infinite loop campus i'm at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► very least going to walk right up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► door and press my face against the glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► like a sad puppy dog look in his eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► like thank you we come in right inches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► away on the other side of the glass as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► security guard give me a severely stern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► ok now you're not coming but if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► not allowed in which was the complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► opposite to our next is on our road trip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► which is to facebook yes where they let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► us go everywhere like we could go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► anywhere we wanted it was amazing it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► manifestation of the company's corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► policy of Apple nobody comes in we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► going to we're going to keep it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► tight and even I know I while we're down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► here there have been some people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► have been able to gain access like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► through that front door but even they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► have described how you see nothing think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► they take you down just a hallway like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► hope you enjoy looking at the carpet in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► the hallway and apple and then we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► gonna kick you right out like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► this is as far as the tour goes so even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► even if we had been able to get inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► we would have seen nothing is what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► have gathered from everybody who got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► past that security barrier I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► okay but that fits with Apple everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► I know about Apple has the way they work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► and then Facebook was it was almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► come on and I accidentally moved in for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► offices I don't even know I i keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► thinking of ways to try to describe what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► but that when you walk through the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► door facebook you then immediately it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► it's essentially facebook this is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► i'm going to describe it it is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► walled city there's a perimeter of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► buildings around the outside so they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► have no security barrier that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► to pass through but once you pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► through that the whole interior it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► it was a town it was a town on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► inside there were main streets there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► were restaurants there were places to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► get your hair cut there were signed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► manufacturing shops there were bicycles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► there were libraries as an arcade there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► was an arcade it was it was so strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► and unexpected but it was just oh I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► like I've walked through a building to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► get to the other side of this and i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► been transported to a very bustling busy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► sort of Disney ified college town like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► that that's that's what it was all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► sudden the way that you can kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► understand this is I went to Facebook's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► yeah it's okay that's the waters a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► as like a don't need to bring some cream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► on i'm going to be offices for the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► no it was inside outside is what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► it was it was it was a town it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► a fascinating experience but i also made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► the same mental calculation of do i need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► to put on sunscreen today are now I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► going to go see facebook headquarters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► and I mentally thinking of the pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► that I've seen is like oh it's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► gigantic openoffice indoors ok obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► I don't need to put on any sunscreen but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► now we went to facebook we all came home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► sunburned because we didn't realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► we were just going to a town we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1976">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► to go to it down we were going to walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► around we were going to get ice cream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► we're going to have burritos are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► to sit outside it was it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► entirely unexpected and but we did also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► go to the big open office like they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► multiple areas and and kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► just one part of their overall campus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► and what we did actually go and take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► look in that what is it we spoke about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► on the show before then with that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► like the largest open plan office in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► world that's that's my understanding of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► yeah this is the biggest open-plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► office in the world and when we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► there they were saying how they're busy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► building like two more of you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► it's like we have the biggest of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► thing in the world but we need more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► this is not adequate we need two more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► the biggest open-plan offices in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► world so we we did get to walk through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► that enormous space and see it firsthand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2035">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► I never felt like I could see the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► the room even when we went upstairs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► kind of like looked over at the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► I just never felt like I could see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► end of it i think they said something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► like the loop of it is a half a mile or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► the AIDS it was one of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► where they kept giving crazy numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► have in here is how many people are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► here's how much it is to walk around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► perimeter of it and we walked the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► length of it and it was a good long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► ratchet to get from from one end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► office to the other and it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► really interesting to see how a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► has made a decision to lay out a space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► and so i will find for the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► but we did discuss just when we saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► pictures of the open office layout we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► had a whole show we kind of talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► open offices and the facebook layout on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► the inside was was interesting because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► I mean that the ceiling was forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► above you and so everything just felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► big but you are right that they did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► quite a job of making sure that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► never had an unobstructed sight line to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► the other end I think because if you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► you would have vertigo and just fall on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► the floor and probably shiver for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► while just having to see what that looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► but by having these gigantic walls that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► constantly broke up your your sightline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► I i think that had I not known what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► was before hand I could have walked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► through that entire space and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► uninterruptedly room like it could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► fooled me into feeling like this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► series of very large rooms that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► connected but not have noticed that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► was ace a single uncontained space so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► that that what i was expecting is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► this feeling of I'm going to stand at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► one end of this football field and look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► to the other end of the football field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► and see rows upon rows and rows of desks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► you could not have that experience even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► like you said there was one point where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► we went up a little staircase and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► the had a high level view of the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► you still your sightline was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► obstructed I i think that had to be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► purpose that they didn't want someone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► be able to stand at the top of the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► and be able to oversee it all like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► wanted to constantly cut off those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► spaces is that how you felt about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► like the dube kind of have that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► feeling like this is a bunch of big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► rooms or go with your reaction to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► what that was definitely like anchor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► points that you have Z so was it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► it felt like zones link that there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► you knew you're in a specific place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► inside of this big open office but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► still just had like the feeling of it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► a picture that i took which is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► like from behind you so you can kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► like see what a person's view is and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► really always looked to me like it went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► on forever in any direction that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► looked at and I don't know how I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► I can't even imagine how loud that place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► would be hm when it was full so there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► wasn't really that many people there we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► went on a wednesday which apparently is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► a day with lots of people work from home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► traveling into the week but it felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► even though they want a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► that there was just like a a base level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► of sound constantly and having worked in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► offices with just hundreds of people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► number open-plan it can get really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► just loud all the time and I just wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► how that would be in an office that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► if the incredible scale that one is yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► i mean it too little side bars here the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► the first is that we took this photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► it'll be in the show notes we took a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► photo at this spot because this was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► longest uninterrupted sight line in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► whole building so it was notable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► when you turned one corner there was a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► place that you could just look down for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► forever and so I almost think that photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► is a bit of an atypical shot from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► inside of the facebook headquarters but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► the thing you mentioned there and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► would i would love because now that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► that i have i have met very many i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► that a lot of people who work in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► Francisco tech companies listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► show and I've had this experience now of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► visiting facebook we also visited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► dropbox and I've been in the office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► buildings of a bunch of other like San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► Francisco style tech companies and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► also in London like I've been in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► headquarters and i've i've experienced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► the same thing over and over again which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► is every time I go in one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► open-plan offices it seems like nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► is at the desk so I I've seen this over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► and over again same and so feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► nobody works in these companies i never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► cited for their desks and I've done it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► this time I've done it last year soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► you have done in London and it always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► feels like I don't understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► they're making these offices bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► it's very strange but the thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► weird to me is every time I ask every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► tour guide at every one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► buildings about it and there is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► an explanation but they will always say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► Oh today's a special day you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► Wednesday's people don't work in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► offices like okay but i have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► bumping into people who have been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► facebook and other days of the week and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► every one of them i have asked give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► an estimate for how many people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► you walk through that space and nobody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2395">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► given a number higher than thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2397">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► percent right when they were when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► were there as like it when you ask that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► they say that there was something going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► on and everybody says the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► like oh yeah you always get some reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► for why and I've had the same thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► when we went to dropbox it was the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► thing like oh we've just moved into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► new building so there's not that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► people here but then when I go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► YouTube headquarters and look around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► it's the same thing it's like rows and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► rows of desks maybe fifteen percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► people at the desk and I ask the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► giving me the torrent youtube like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► where is everybody they always like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► every single time there's some reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► and so on an individual basis you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► accept each reason at its face value but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► when I compare it to the aggregate of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► okay i have now been to 10 different of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► these kind of offices in different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► locations and it's always the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► experience and that stage like I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► just discount whatever the individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► reasons are and i have to fall back on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► I think what we discussed when we when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► we first talked about these open-plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2456">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► offices in my experience of google was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► the people who work here will do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► anything to not be at their desks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► maybe you have enough employees on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► roles that you could have everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► sitting in the same spot at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► time but for whatever reason like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► are trying to work anywhere else that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► they possibly can and like that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► I've seen in other places and so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► facebook one it seemed like the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► experience of ok we're going into these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► open-plan offices and you know the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► we were there it couldn't have been more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► than ten percent of those desks were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► filled but then you go outside it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► oh it's a huge bustling town i can think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► everybody's walking around like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► suddenly busy and so I just I find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► myself really wondering about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► office setups and and having the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► feeling of that you do of like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► efficient are these or i can also just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► keep finding myself were running through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► the numbers of all of these companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► and thinking what are all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► people doing like I have a hard time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► understanding think what is occurring in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► and i don't know like it sometimes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► just find myself wondering when people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► tell you for example how big the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► was when they had a lot of users and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► then you know they they quadruple the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► the number of users the company has but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► the staff has gone up by three hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► percent I feel like you've got drupal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► users but you three hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► employees right are you a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► percent employees it seems like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► again from talking to tell these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► to people about the substance things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► like it takes 50 people to get the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► five million people but then take 5,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► people to get the next five million yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► and something about this just always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► strikes me as strange but but I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► companies paying a huge number of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► individuals are working at like ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► percent capacity but it but like it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► doesn't even matter because the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► has so much money that it can spend that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► it still gets a return on investment for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► someone who's that their desk like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► tiny amount of time I don't know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► a soul in this those initial people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► potentially like company founders and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► people that were in at the beginning you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► know maybe those people because it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► the company means more than they work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► differently to people that get hired to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► well I assume that that has to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► case and I also assume there's a bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► almost like anthropic principle going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► here of that the companies that are able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► to have millions of users with 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► employees those exist because they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► they happen to get the right collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► of 10 super productive people right at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► yep and you wouldn't hear about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► company if it didn't have those exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► right 10 people and so when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► expanding outward from their accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► your that the company is so successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► it rolled you know it 12 every time on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► on the first dozen employees that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► that it hired like it is it's incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► statistically unlikely but that's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► statistically unlikely successful it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► I don't know I guess I just keep finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► my mind circling back to this and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► this particular i almost want to sit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► the cafeteria of a bunch of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► companies all day long and just talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► everybody and be like this what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► do and they get the show me on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► spreadsheet how much time you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► actually working on stuff here like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► many hours is your butt in the seat that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► is theoretically assigned to you versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► how much time do you spend in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► beanbag chair in the lobby like I just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► just there's something about this i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► don't understand but find my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► continually circling back on like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► it was absolutely fascinating to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► visit facebook but I almost found my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► mind like unsettled by the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► experience and it was it was a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► moment we're so they have they have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► enormous open-plan office and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► whole roof of this building is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► yeah it's a is that we climb up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► circular staircase and all of a sudden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► we are in the middle of of just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► this field of wheat almost like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► just like waist-high blowing grass in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► the wind and there's trees and flowers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► like hummingbirds are zipping by and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► there's guys he was extracted I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► yeah you know and it's and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► standing up there and see it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► suddenly like you have this is like view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► for miles around before looking across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► like this huge Martian you see this city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► in the in the distance and it felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► I was transported to San Francisco's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► version of New York's Central Park all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► of a sudden like this is an incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► well designed park and it has all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► little paths and but after walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► through what felt like the town from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► nineteen sixties TV show from in the UK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► the prisoner like they were walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► through this manufactured bizarre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► pretendo town and then we go into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► enormous open office space that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► bizarrely understaffed but there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► reason but maybe it's always like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► because it's like this everywhere that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► go and then all of a sudden we're trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► ported to take this fantastic park and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► then we're sitting in a gazebo hanging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► out with everybody i really felt my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► brain with which is like I cannot accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► any more of this like my brain was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► at capacity for experience and scale it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► overwhelming in a way that is hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► define like I don't know if you had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2818">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► same experience but I was like I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► like my brain was really just ready to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► shut down by the end of the facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► door I just don't think i could work in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► an environment like it is a fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► environment but having worked in offices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► I just think hard struggle with it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► now we must set this I would love to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► in that environment working on my stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► lose it's got everything I need in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► right like I could go there and I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► access to all these incredible resources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► but my feeling is just like I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► organization but I think that's more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► Mike's problem with organizations issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► then right Facebook's issue because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► if you want to work in a company they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► have provided you with like the perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► office it has yeah everything and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2876">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► are a lot of complaints that people make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► about this type of thing when i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► there and like you know you can laugh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► about the fact that has a barbershop in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► it and stuff like that but when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► there is so far away from anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► there's nothing around so if they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► provide it people can have access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► these communities yet without a doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► lady if you are we will put a link in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► the show notes but if you like just look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► at the satellite map of where Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► is it makes sense that they had built a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► little walled city because it all around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► it is just wrapping the highway there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► nowhere to walk to outside of it and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► I like if I was up the burg and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► going to build a gigantic company I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► Heda did in this idea of okay we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► all of the amenities that a literal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► towns worth of people could need right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► we're going to need parks because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► going to need a place for people to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► we're going to need entertainment for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2938">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► people I I would have done the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► same thing out and I was saying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► someone i am half surprised they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► have apartments for rent in that complex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► I think they could build an apartment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► employees just live there and i'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► people would happily live there because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► that Facebook campus is better than many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► towns i have passed through on travels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:22 ◼ ► in my life safety as well yeah yeah like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2962">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► a yeah isn't as a fantastic question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:27 ◼ ► what is the crime rate on the facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2967">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► ya know like I ask somebody can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► mhm and they would like you can take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► nap but you constantly better you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► like i imagine that has like a do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► sleep here like just don't do it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► because if people find out you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► like just stop it dr. ground right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► basically i was i was angling for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► yeah some people do because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► basically means yes some people live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► right exactly do they do yeah and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► this this is also where I remember a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► camera with the details but some story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► came out about like some guy who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► living it was living in a rented van [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► like you gotyou got fired but he and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► buddy just still lived on the campus if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► you're working on there's talk about for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► something like having been to facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► is totally understandable like how does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► that happen that you could just lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► track of person that we keep living in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► your company like this is how it happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► because it's a town like you could lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► track of people in a town haha yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► overwhelming as you said i also have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► same experience of okay if if my brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► got used to this after the first couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► of days of just everything is new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► it is in its own way it's a fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► environment and I could see like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► said somehow being my own person working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► in this environment where everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► incredibly convenient you know but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► as I if I was going to be an employee of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► the the facebook office i feel like i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► not sure that i could work here and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► was interesting because we had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► comparison just a couple days later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► headquarters which also had a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► kind of crazy San Francisco stuff of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► of the way like this bunch of open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► offices and we have a pink carpeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► over here here here sick because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► gigantic statue of like a silver panda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► bear that we have put in the center of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► the office like they have all of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► kind of crazy stuff so there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► similarity of feeling like the dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► place as far as an office went like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► scale of it was smaller and I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► okay if i was going to be an employee of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► a company and i had to choose what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► want to work at Facebook where do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► want to work at Dropbox like just based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► on the environments like okay the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► dropbox one was just like calmer like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► especially I was really aware that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► was visually calmer and like you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► before even though there was absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► nobody in that gigantic open office when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► we were there except maybe ten percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► of the seeds something about the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► was set up like the dumbest things ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► but it felt like there was like psychic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► noise like I kept thinking it is again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► was here with the decibel meter it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► not be registering a much sound but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► I feel like it was the way that we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► approaching it right so when we were in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► dropbox we are enclosed by these walls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► are around us so we feel the space more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► so we were spring but in the facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► one like there's no walls like the walls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► yeah so I think we feel like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► outside so we're using our outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► forces that yeah that's a good point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► because we notice it right away in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► whispering as we're walking through all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► the various bases but it felt like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► was a step actual same amount of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► in both what if I like right yeah it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► it very very strange i i i think i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► following the way that you feel about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► this if i was going to work for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► company i was going to take a job again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► I would prefer to be in an environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► like Dropbox but if i was going to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► my own personal business and put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► somewhere i would want to do that inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► book inside right office and maybe like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► you know the way that they set up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► don't know the organizational structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► but you might kind of feel like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► there you know and if that's the case i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► can see how it would work for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► they feel like they're running their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► business insider facebook but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► business happens to be such ads right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► yeah and it's certainly from the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► that we spoke to it did have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► feeling of there are there are a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► of companies within this company just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► doing their own thing sort of unrelated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► to stuff that other people are doing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► and and they have a thing like between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► two companies dropbox seemed like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► whatever almost like working and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► was a sensitive people getting stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► are they following that like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3238">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► cafeteria for lunch there people moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► around fast facebook everyone was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► chilled so yeah it was I actually looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► around the dropbox cafeteria and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► thing that caught my attention was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► cafeteria they were leaning forward like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► they were leaning forward and talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► the people at their table and Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► looking around at least we were sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► I was really aware that everybody was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► like leaning back in their chairs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► talking just because it felt like we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► a festival or something had to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► really did it really did so yeah I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► will reiterate your sentiments about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► working on our own things versus working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► for a company in which environment would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► we choose i think that is a that is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► accurate summation of the experience of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► of seeing use places find a little thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► that I just I just want to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► with facebook intention to everybody is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► my favorite little detail from the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► which was Zuckerberg conference room / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3294">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► office you know I was wondering if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► were going to bring this up i just i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► have to bring this up because just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► themselves were a a reflection of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► company's corporate policies Zuckerberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► office to me was just a perfect visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► metaphor for what facebook kids and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► in this tremendously long office where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► there are people absolutely everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► at the end of it we get to Zuckerberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► conference room / office space and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► you have to do what you have to imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► listen area is we're standing in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► big space there our desks absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► everywhere in every direction and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► this center of these desks in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► absolute center like is not against any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► wall right not against any wall or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► there is a glass cube and his Zuckerberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► office so if he was in the inside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► that we could have just walked around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► the outside of his glass office and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► looked at him from every single angle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► like oh look your life and work exposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► to everybody welcome to facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► it was amazing it was and I was so sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► it wasn't there you know really said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► yeah it was it was weird and I just kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► wondering like what happens when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► important people from other that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► can't you can't have a secret meeting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► that office and I eat like there must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► Zuckerberg you must have some secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► bunker somewhere so that when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► hammering out deals with apple or you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► background audio processing that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► totally a mistake I there must be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► place that you can go so that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► don't see you like arguing with apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► executives about whatever but you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► you can't possibly be doing it in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► office it was just it was so weird but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► so perfectly facebook inside the arcade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► that we went to if you put the konami [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► code into one of the machines authority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► activate it has to take you down to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► this like a burglar somewhere below the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► floor facebook somewhere in facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► there are secret passages to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► locations i refuse to believe otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► i want to thank smile for their support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► of cortex and today let me tell you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► little bit about PDF pen it's time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► you to break that cycle of scaling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► printing signing and faxing right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► let's say somebody send you something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► the email you a PDF that you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► currently you need to print it in to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► sign it they need to scan it and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► what if you don't have a scanner then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► you're printing maybe you're signing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► God forbid you're faxing it's time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► adopt the paperless lifestyle is time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3473">TS</a>]
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00:58:06 ◼ ► very easily make corrections and redact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► sensitive information you can add text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► and graphics to PDF as well as super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► simply you can number pages and so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3492">TS</a>]
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00:58:24 ◼ ► now make audio notes that you can record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► in place maybe wanna leave a note for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:28 ◼ ► yourself later on each one a corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3508">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► however will that be you can access file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3510">TS</a>]
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00:58:36 ◼ ► connection to do all of that and you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► be able to sign documents now with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3518">TS</a>]
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00:58:42 ◼ ► and receive PDS of a greater degree of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3522">TS</a>]
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00:59:18 ◼ ► was the first time that we had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► particular experience like with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► equipment that they had available there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► and since our day at Facebook we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► been talking to lots of people about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► this experience with VR and I need I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► feel the need to kind of put something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► out there at first because you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► to be listening to us talking about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► thing but it is a very hard thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► talk about and i think i have finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► settled on the metaphor which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► hallucinatory drugs will attempt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► you what the experience was like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► they are just limited by the words in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► the English language and people who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► done hallucinatory drugs will also say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► something like it was an experience that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► just change them but they have a hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► time articulating what that means but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► they say that it is a thing that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► stick with them now for a month after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► doing the actual drugs themselves and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► feel ya like what we are going to be now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► is the equivalent of two guys who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► dropped acid together and are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► try to explain to you what it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► so we're going to try to do our best but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► I think keeping that in mind can kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► yep and it also has my favorite quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► of the experience of trying to explain a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► dream to someone and what you're trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► to do is explain the emotional content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► of an event not the event itself and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► like that there is a there's a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► that like there's a moment that i had vr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► that I keep trying to explain to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► and every time I do it I feel like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► explaining why something that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► happened in the dream was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► important so I just wanted to put that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► out there to try to help you with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► emotional content of what we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► describing not necessarily like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► literal description of of what has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► happened like the next 20 minutes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► hyperbolic two people could probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► yeah but everything is the four of us to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► tried it all talk about this the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► way that that's that's why I like I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► the need to say this because I know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► we are about to sound like and I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► I know listener how hyperbolic we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► going to sound to you but it is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► we are attempting to describe the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► that is fundamentally impossible to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► describe like it must be experienced it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► cannot be described in the same way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► I have heard people describe to me what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► hallucinatory drugs are like but since i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► have never tried them like I just know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► experience that the brain can have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► communicated in words and I think VR is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► exactly thats there is an experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► that can be had in VR that is impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► to explain in words so Mike would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► like to explain in words but i'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► to dive head in and say that my life has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► significant has happened in my life now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► that means it will never be the same as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► before because i have experienced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► something but I didn't really know was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► who and one of the things that we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► to mention this juncture is the setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► that we were given access to so right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► have used VR headsets i have used the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► traditional game control i have not our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► had not played the HTC vive for v4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► however it said which comes with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► kind of hand controllers we were given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► access to the oculus rift demo unit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► controller demo units which was supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► to go on sale when the product was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► launched but were delayed and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► going to be coming out very soon if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► basically by the time you hear this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► they'll be available for people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► purchase then we were given access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► this whole set of equipment and is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► set of equipment that has enabled the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► yeah so the the equipment that we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► given for people who are not familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► with the various levels of ER you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► dimly aware that oh there's be our stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► now that we had the helmet that you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► on that completely encapsulated it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► your field Division so everything you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► see is is it like a 3d projection in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► front of you which was very surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► yes I quite big frames right i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► every time I took it off my glasses went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► with the rift but but I could wear it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► yeah I is I specifically put on contacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► because I was like I want to experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► this unobstructed exactly my glasses are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► have any hindrance and all i want to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► on contact but I want to test it I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► to see you up to it now I was all like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► I can't bear to this I so then you also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► have to also have these headphones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► yeah but then the the key piece which at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► the time that we are recording is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► available to the general public are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► these two hand controller so that their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► two little controllers one for each hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► they have a pair of triggers on them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► a couple of buttons on them but they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3897">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► able to act as virtual hands in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► world and I i think mike is like am I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► had zero experience of VR and this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► perfect because i was actually kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► waiting to try a system like this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► almost didn't want to experience just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► the 360-degree field Division that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► can look around i felt like i had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► pretty good understanding of what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► was i wanted to experience something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► where no I have hands in the world as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► well because I suspected that there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► the brain would have a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► reaction to this which is exactly what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► experienced and talking to somebody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► who was with us there on the day who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► like owns an oculus headset and plays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► tons of games but plays them with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► regular xbox controller like a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► he said the same thing like he was blown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► away by it like it was an entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► different thing from justjust the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3956">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► all right let me try to walk through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► what it is that I'm I'm explaining hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► about that happens to your brain in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► virtual reality so there were six people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► with us that day every single one of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► had some variation on a moment where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► thing occurred in the virtual world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► we realized that our brains had just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► totally bought into the experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► yep he each one of us has been repeating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► over and over to everyone who will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► listen to every person we can grab on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► the street like you don't understand i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► and that like the moment doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► particularly matter but all of us had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► this kind of thing so the the basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► description that we can give without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► getting into like I was in a dreamlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► and then I saw this thing and I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► over here was they started as off on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► first-person shooter simulation that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4016">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► designed to just get you used to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► over here you have these two hands in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► this virtual world you can pick up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► objects so there's like there's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► brief tutorial that you walk through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► essentially if you've seen the matrix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► playing a matrix game at the world can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► slow down there's guys who are coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► after you you can teleport to different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► locations and you can shoot them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► you're playing this game and because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► have virtual hands in the world with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► these two controllers that you're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► your picking up weapons you're throwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► objects you're you're able to physically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► block objects that are that are coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► into you and for me my little moment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► my brain has totally bought into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► was i accidentally in the game kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► dropped the weapon that I was holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► and you can slow down the world and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► i dropped the gun accidentally I slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► down the world as the gun was falling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4077">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► like I turned my head to watch it fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► in slow motion and just reached out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► my virtual hand grabbed it as it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► falling I get the moment that an enemy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► appeared in my peripheral vision on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► other side like turned and shot him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► it and then it was just holy it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► my brain just made this world real in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► this moment and this is what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► about is this dreamlike state it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► hard to explain is not the big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► about like oh I dropped a gun and shot a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► guy and it was super cool it was like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► this was the moment where my brain just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► let go of its normal experience of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► existing in the world and was existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► in a place so that you could have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► reflex that would happen unlearned just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► world right just like in the real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► if you have something catches your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► peripheral vision or like something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► drops off a table and you you grab it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► you just you react in a way that is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► so natural and that you don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► about it which is very rarely an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► traditional game unless you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► practice and practice and practice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► practice like this was an event that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► occurred maybe two minutes into playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► the game and that like that is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► my brain just accepted these virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► these are my hands right this this train [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► station that I am in i am in this train [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► station and so if an object falls that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► want to catch just engage all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► normal reflexes that you would in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► real world and perform all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► actions that you would in the real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► totally naturally and each one of us had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► some little moment like that very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► quickly where you realize I as far as my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► brain is concerned I am here there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► nowhere else I am here in this game I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► had kind of two instances like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► which matched the kind of one type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► thing that you're talking about so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► first part for me is stopping this train [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► carriage and part of the demo a black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► part of the tutorial your call is to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► and get you to think like this one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► the things that does is like just look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► to your right and there's like a Chinese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► takeout box and the tutorials pick it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► but that's it right no like press agent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► like just pick it up so you reach down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► the hand that you can see and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► grabbed it and I pick it up and the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► that I put it down is a way that I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► never put down something in a video game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► picked it up I realized what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► supposed to do and threw over my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► who and that was such an a that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► way i would probably do that in the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► world right just picking up like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► done with this now and that I i remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► the action of just throwing over my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► shoulder and immediately it clicked in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► why did i do that why did I throw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► was a very strange moment for me because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► then from then on I was like I've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► this my fault for the door just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► picking up guns and picking up targets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► and it was it was like immediate was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► like right now let's do this and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► part for me which was one of the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► the quarry flex things was one other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► well I think it's the best possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► thing in this game i think it's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► bullet bullet train i think who when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► when you're able to slow down time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► could grab bullets from the sky throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► them at people who selectable it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► being shot you you can pick them up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► throw them back from there was a moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► where I had a bunch of people around me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► and my gun run out of ammo so I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► drop the gun slow down time I lent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► backwards who touched my head to grab a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► bullet that was behind me and then threw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► at someone and it was like um ok thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4314">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► badass might be doing that yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► again it is that that thing of the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► hasn't told you to do this this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► it is as though you woke up one day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► you could slow down time you would very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► naturally just start doing a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► stop by you it wouldn't even occur to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► different things like we keep saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► against to everybody who's colors we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► grab to bring them close to tell them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► it's like we had this experience of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► being in these environments this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► was not like i have had some amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► experiences playing super cool games you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► know like very very fancy arcade car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► simulations like that our screens around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4366">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► you like all this kind of stuff and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► reaction to all of those was the same of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► this is super fun right like this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► amazing fun driving simulator like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► machines moving around me like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► great like I'm having a fantastic time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► but the experience of this matrix like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► shoot-'em-up simulator was an experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► of I am I am there and I am they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► and it's almost like I wouldn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► describe it as fun because it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► just so intense yeah and so ki I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► in this environment this is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:28 ◼ ► really what's happening and it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4408">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► was not like woohoo reckless abandon it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► was it was just an experience that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► very hard to articulate and and I I to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► like you feel like again reaching for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► metaphors here this is not even an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► appropriate comparison but I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► feeling like the only other day that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► remember having this feeling was the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:54 ◼ ► I got married where I remember driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4434">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► home after getting married you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► the car with my brand new bride and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► thinking over the whole of my life is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► different now and city is that an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► appropriate metaphor for you get to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► experiencing vr but like it's the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► my brain is just reaching for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► that is similar and I feel the VR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► experience was the same way like just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► in oh I had this like this life before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► was married and then like my life after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► getting married is just different and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► feel like this is this is another marker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► like everything that came before vr is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► just different now from everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► came after er it's i have experienced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► the moldability the plastic pneus of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► human mind and its ability to drop into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► and accept fundamentally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► environments though the one that I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► thinking of is when i first tried the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► everything that I phone you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► technology and changed that day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► everything that I know about video games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► has changed but it's way more than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► as well it's it's it's far more it's far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► more than just video games it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► this is kind of I feel so crazy sense of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► like this but this has changed my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► perception of reality because i have had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► a reality that isn't my own I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► this is why open with the drug metaphor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► possesses what we sound like but I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► think that it is true because i have had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► the same thing of just reality feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► different now in the same way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► people who drop lose Natori drugs they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► will describe to me that reality feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► like I know I think I i spent a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► years you know communicating with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► lamp in my room right when I was high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► and like now I just cannot look at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► lamp and feel the same way again like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► okay you're a lunatic but now i also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4557">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► feel the same way like even just this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► morning preparing for this podcast i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► walking around San Francisco and as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► always do kind of like booting up into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► my head what are we going to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► it but somehow my experience of walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► around San Francisco this morning my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► experience of everything is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► different after vr in this way that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► cannot articulate is it just different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► so there was one of the part i wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► talk about to try and further explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► this feeling so there was another game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► that we played it was more of a demo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► where they hook up those who are closest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► together I don't think they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► release this because that is an insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► amount of work money right to little got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► to complete machines but they've demo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► this and it's type is they think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► call it toy box or something you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► one room and I was in another room and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► we're basically just in a room with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► lot of objects in it that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► interact with so we like playing around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► those guns in there were like shooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► targets and serve and then I saw a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► slingshot on the table and I picked up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► the slingshot and I just started firing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4617">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► pellets I guess at phases and playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► them i don't remember the buttons i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► all I remember when I tell this story to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► people is the action of firing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► yeah there were no instructions in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► games that we played because all you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► was just interact with stuff there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► boomerangs on the table i picked one up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► and I through it and I caught it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► picked up to and through them both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► it was like right I'm just in this world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► like I am interacting with stuff like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► use my hands to interact with things all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► yeah and my brain was like we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► on this journey buddy like there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► there is a little moment that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► interesting that all six of us did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► and you could see everybody do it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► even the people who saw the first of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► do without like oh that's funny but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► they did it themselves which was when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► you for the very first time boot into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► the world and you have these controllers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► what happens is what in your field of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► vision what you see are basically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► like that a kind of outline of two blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► hands and everybody did the exact same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► thing they raised up these hands and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► kind of rotate them in your field of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► vision so you're looking at these hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► and you're seeing that they're moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► the way the controller's move and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► there's a trigger that you can pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► which will close those hands so it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► grip motion every single person did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► exact same thing they put their hands in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► their field Division they rotated them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► perfectly back and forth and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► pulled the trigger right in front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► them so that the hands would open and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► close i am convinced i'm absolutely the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► convinced that every one of us did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► because your brain is really mapping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► understanding what it can do and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► like okay I now can move my thumb my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► index finger and my other three things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► that's all I can do now this is what my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► right this is what my hands do i'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► this world i completely agree with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► yeah right it is a brain accepting its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► hands and that and this is why it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► hard to explain because after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► moment we all have that same experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► of you don't feel like you're pulling a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► trigger on a controller because your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► brain has just decided oh these are my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► hands now right and so even though in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► reality what you're doing is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► you're pulling your middle finger closed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► on a trigger in the virtual world what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► happening is your whole hand is closing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► on an object and so the feeling is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► whole hand is closing on an object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:37 ◼ ► you don't feel that you're pulling a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4777">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► trigger and the the closest I can come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► interesting descriptions of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► have had limbs amputated but then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► know some some very advanced artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► limbs can do things like although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► they'll look for muscle poles in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► close the hand and so a person learns oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:00 ◼ ► if they tend to support certain part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4800">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► their shoulder they can open and close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► their hand but after a little while what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► happens is they have a subjective sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► of opening and closing their hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► because their brain has just rewired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► itself so that oh this muscle group is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► how I open and close my hand I can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► this artificial hand opening and closing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► on an object and the brain just learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► absolutely convinced that the VR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► experiences the same thing it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► plastic miss of the brain just accepting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► these virtual hands are mine and I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► experiencing us the sensation of holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► an object because I can see it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► sequence of muscles that is needed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► trigger to close the hand around this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► object that is irrelevant because from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► the brains perspective it is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► irrelevant like the brain just knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► it's sending out some electrical signal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► and it's receiving some feedback and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► this is what your brain does to grab an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► object and so it just it just accept it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► and the startling thing is it accepts it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► so quickly and it becomes so real and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► experienced vr there's a loose like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► is like the tiniest baby is thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► you can do to understand what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► trying to talk about but but the human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► brain has this is funny funny thing i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► can't remember what it's called i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► i think the name of this isn't like tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► sensation but if you take a pencil and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► piece of paper in front of you and start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► drawing on the paper when you do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► focus your attention on the sensation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► drawing and if you pay attention to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► you can recognize that you don't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► the pencil in your hand so much when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► you're drawing you feel the tip of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► pencil on the paper yet this is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► panics love pens and paper by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► of course right i just realized I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► talking to the exact right guy but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► it's it's a thing that you don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► about it but but seriously pay attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► to this and you will notice that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► have a physical sensation that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► outside of your body right you're having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► a physical sensation where the pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► meets the paper and of course you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► have nerves in the pencil tip there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► way for you to feel that but your brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► has learned over the years of using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► pencil that certain sensations of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► vibration that come back from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► pencil-like they map to certain visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4960">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► experiences of the pencil on the paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► and so your brain has learned to place a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4964">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► physical sensation at a point outside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► your body and you can also sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► notice this was like using a hammer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► physically feel the head of the hammer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► striking the nail but you don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► nerves there that's a sensation outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► of your body your brain is very willing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► to place sensation where there is none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► this happens all the time and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► don't notice it and the end like vr is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► taking advantage of that like it is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► leaning into the wiring of the brain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► the way the brain wants to experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► the world and so that's why we all have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► this I cannot believe this experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► because it felt like I had hands i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► picking up objects i was throwing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► like Mike set his memory is I picked up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► a slingshot because at that point he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► 20 minutes into his brain mapping these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► blue hands are my hand so I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► picking up stuff he's not thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► 02 perform this action i had to do quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► a complicated thing of pulling two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► separate triggers on two different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► controllers and and locating your hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► like none of that like it's all just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► gone it all just becomes natural it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► no coincidence in my mind that as we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:01 ◼ ► finished playing we were all joking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5041">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► about how we were picking things up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► oh I'm just picking things up with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► three fingers here and my my index [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► finger and I think that I honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► believe that we all made that joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:13 ◼ ► because our brains were like hang on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5053">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► here these the different hands now like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:21 ◼ ► we've just spent a bunch of time with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5061">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► that limited movement and now we're back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► to normal again and it did feel weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:26 ◼ ► and it was incredible absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5066">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► incredible i had a funny little moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► connected where I came over why but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► would I was helping him like transfer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► I helped get the controller's out of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► hands while the VR helmet was still on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► his head and he said he had a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► freakout moment because his brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► paralyzed right because the controllers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► were no longer in his hands and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5097">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► like I can't i have no hands anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► like he had his brain had just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► little freaked out because it's like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► the mapping is just gone i have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► ability to influence the world it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► subjective feeling like someone cut off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► his hands and I've heard that mirrored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► by people who have just used like a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► interactive but if there is a visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► representation of the player like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► looking down and seeing your hands but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► if you can't move them in the game like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► some people have said they have a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► like paralyzed freaked out about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:27 ◼ ► like the brain does not does not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5127">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► that i think that again this is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► the reasons why these touch controllers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► they're so important because they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► what grounds the brain in the world they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► are what forces the brain to accept this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► input as just a new physical location in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► that toy box mode there was something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► that I need to address that we did so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► it's me and you playing together we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► could look at each other and we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► see like disembodied hands and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5155">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► disembodied head wearing an oculus rift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5157">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► they were the graphical representations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► of us both in separate rooms we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► also hear each other their microphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► and we could hear each other in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► headsets right so I could look to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► left and I could see Mike's head and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► Mike's hands yep and also very strangely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► immediately oh that's Mike right Mike's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► just standing next to me even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► he's in the other room i added like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► physical presence of yeah I had that too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► I knew you were there even when I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► looking at you right like mike is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► next to me and and that's also part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► except they're pulling with the audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► and the way that the headsets work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► when you're just kind of like talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► out loud about what you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► I can hear you next to me and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► there like we are at a virtual table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► together that is the sensation so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► playing around and we're in this blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5204">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► room and this is great desk in front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► us and as well like all the toys are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► boomerangs and stuff a one-point great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► finds this like popping a hand puppet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► which I didn't like right by actively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► disliked this poppet because he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► talking and moving the hand and I'd I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► asked him to stop it and he did I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► the brain mapping thing is so weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► because I pick up the puppet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► representation is that my hand is inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► the back of a puppet so i can make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► mouth move and again it is perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► natural so i moved the puppet over to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► Mike like I put it right in his face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► there like how am I cried making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► mouth move open and closed it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► horrifying but Mike did not like better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► than all of a sudden the room goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► completely gray now I knew that Gray had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► the ability to change the environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► that we were in yeah it was a bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► funny situation because the the game has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► two roles where one person is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► presenter yeah and so my perspective was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► i was able to essentially like reach out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► and touch buttons that would move us two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► different tables in different locations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► that could do different things so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5275">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► thought we were in a different room to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► hello Mike but like hello Mike and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► turn to my right and gray is massive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► then I realize he has shrunk me you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► picked up this special shrink ray and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► terrorize me in which gray was throwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► big things at me and he was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► shooting me with stuff and I was trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► to like pick up this gun to shoot myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► back to size but I couldn't pick it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► because i was too small right when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► smile you can't manipulate any of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► any pick up the Prophet again i'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► to put in the show notes of video which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► i think best represents what VR can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► cowering and basically begging him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► stop I was like so like I was enjoy add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► uncomfortable with it right look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► same time it was like that mix of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► because there was something happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► that I didn't like but I know it was fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► if you like it was like when you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► like you may have done anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► this but like London dungeons and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► places like that where you have a sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:23 ◼ ► of fear but it's fun fear because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5363">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► know it's safe within the environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► that you're in right right so it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► a controlled fear like the adrenaline is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► all you get without the actual dying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► part and I was kind of having that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► feeling because there was nothing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► could do and I was scared but like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► like nervous laughter and I'm like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► kind of cowering negative basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► approaching the field position one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► the other thing that's interesting is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► mean you were genuinely having that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► physical reaction like that is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5397">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► that on the video is so interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► talking to you about it later is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► what is the reason for you to cower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► there is no reason for that why am I put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► my arms in front of my face why am i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► protecting fri body there's no point to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► yeah this is absolutely absolutely no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► point to do it and is it is fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► and it's so eventually like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► from my perspective I'm seeing a tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► Mike on the table and like all right let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► the giant puppet like hilarious for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► eventually did you know return you back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► to normal size and ever so then we swap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► like i was able to hand you the shrink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► ray gun which by the way is only on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► side of the person who's the percentage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► exactly good grounded anyway yeah so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► had to the shrink ray gun is I just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► want to experience like okay what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► this thing and so then you shrink shrink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► me down and it and so again like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► again is it was amazing how much the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► brain just buys into it immediately of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5456">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► my perspective is showing me everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► around me being gigantic that i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► looking at before the perspective is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► from inches off of the surface of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► table it's not from above the table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► anymore and so looking over and I see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► big mike and and my brain just totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► buys into I i am now two inches tall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► standing on the table where there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► there's no reason that the brain has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► never ever had that experience but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► think the inputs are so seamless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► combined with the motion of the hands in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► this virtual space that the brain is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► just okay this is what it is now I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► just tiny on a table and I knew that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► brain was totally bought in because when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► you shrink the simulation puts you right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► on the edge of the table which I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► realize at first and the only time I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► genuinely startled up in this oculus dei [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► like the gun simulation was just like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► slowing down the world and matrix like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► assassinating people i just looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► fantastic loved it but I was genuinely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► startled shrunk down on the table when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► turned in my peripheral vision saw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► edge of the table and then I turn to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► where I was standing and that was a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► where I almost fell because in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► simulation I could see the edge and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► like this tremendous distance down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► in the in the actual world like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► trying to turn around and then suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► take a step back because my brains like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► you are standing on the edge of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► precipice and again it was just totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► bought into it then no doubt about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► and my brain and body just reacted to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► immediate sense of danger that you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► not realize you're standing two inches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► away from a subjective hundred-foot drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► it was it was astounding is absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► astounding so I have another weird thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► I have zero memory of shrinking you here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5575">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► you're telling me this i cannot and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► trying to like put together and my brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► I have for my perspective the game ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► off to the point where you strike me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► down I don't remember I don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► yeah I don't honestly don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► anything else from that point to me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► I don't remember doing it yeah well i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► mean i i'm not surprised because after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► our our our day at facebook so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► we were looking at all the offices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► then you know we did this virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► experience together that again like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► made a joke but it was not a joke about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► how this the six guys like the six of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► who went through that thing I said like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► you know like we are brothers in blood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► at this moment like we have gone through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► a thing together all of us have had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► incredible experience all of us are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► trying to talk to each other about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► it is like like we had like this bonding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► event that is just unique in a life is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► again it sounds to the listener like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► crazy hyperbole but it is not like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► is that is the subjective experience of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► this our relationships as a group have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► changed because we have had through this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► together like oh yeah categorically that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► yeah that with without a doubt but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► combine this with what i just found to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► be you know an overwhelming day if his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► facebook just in general that with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► scale of it all and like all of this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► experience and and the bizarro town and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► experience and you know i was just we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► know we're like driving in the car back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► and and looking at some of which like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► talking and then alternately just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► quiet for long periods of time were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► just there in our own heads and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► like talking about it again we get back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► to the hotel room and you know again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► going back to mikes busy busying up my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► you know theoretically there was a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► of stuff that we were supposed to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► that evening but you know I went into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► the hotel room I took a shower and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► my brain just said oh those those tiles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► on the floor they look really nice don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► I like sat down like what why don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► just lie down for a second my brain is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► telling me and I i just laid down on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► bathroom floor I looking at the white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► ceiling no joke like three hours and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► what like I think what was happening was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► no I broken my brain was like input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► buffer full writing to disk like cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► I just needed to stare at a white wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:44 ◼ ► 430 like totally awake totally awake not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► sleeping just like laying down like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:51 ◼ ► there needs to be nothing for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5751">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► while some part of my brain just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5754">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► processes the events of the day if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5756">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► was it was like nothing else it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► nothing else you wanna buy one yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► because the oculus rift is a it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► investment right because you have to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► the rift headset the touch controllers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► and a capable pc to do this stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:22 ◼ ► that is it's it's quite a total that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5782">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► oh yeah is she it is it is not a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► investment but my feeling is that I what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:34 ◼ ► I am I want to see like when do these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► when are they available to the general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► public again I'm going to see when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:41 ◼ ► that is but it to me it's it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5801">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► just no question that I i have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► no not not in a demo environment like on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► on my own time and you know I i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► think that this is a-coming phase change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► in technology in the way that you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► you liked you you keep reaching for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► iphone experience like stuff is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► different now and you know like what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► responsiveness down under a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► level that you feel like you are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► know what the slide to unlock for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► example you feel like you were moving an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► object on a screen and you are directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► interacting with the device you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► level of indirection like with the mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► and with the keyboard and the the VR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► experiences that same thing like I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► a world I'm really here I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► interacting with stuff and I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► this is just this this is just obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► a phase-change moment in technology and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► one of the things I I even keep thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► about is before they even load you into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► the game they they have like a matrix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5874">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► style like loading area they need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5876">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► place for you to stand to see that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5878">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► machine is on like then we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► select what you're going to play and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► what you're standing in before things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► start is just this beautiful Zen garden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► house you know im just looking around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► it's like oh this is this is beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► there's a tree over here this little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► waterfall I like this vision of the sky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► and all the rest of this and and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► just that moment i'm sitting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► thinking well this is an amazing work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► environment like what what like why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► wouldn't I have a virtual environment in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► which to do work i can have a keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► here i can have a screen here to type on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► I like that they're just like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► possibilities of this seemed endless to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► me that they seem absolutely endless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► because what you are doing is you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► remapping the input into the brain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5936">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► the brain is happening having an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► experience in a different place and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► this is starting with games but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► literally everything that you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► eventually so yes I want to get on board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► this train and experience this again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► think about it deeply in the future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► and see where see where this is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► and so yes I am I am definitely going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► do it the biggest problem of course is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► trying to figure out where where is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► going to go like how does this fit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► the world and i think i think that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:47 ◼ ► same problem you have because I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5987">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► like you're on board this is you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► trying to figure out what's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► happen next so I have an order placed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► pre-order for the PlayStation VR headset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:58 ◼ ► which I have not tried but all intents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/5998">TS</a>]
01:40:02 ◼ ► and purposes is similar because it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6002">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► know you have the hand based controllers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► they're different but they are sparks is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► for your hands right that kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► and I think that like having looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► the hardware and what it's capable of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► think the oculus will probably give a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► seventy-five percent of what I got with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► the oculus for the playstation vr that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► still more than enough they're all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:26 ◼ ► I feel like a base level is just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6026">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► environment in which I can operate hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► and those hands like I've learned like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► it doesn't matter what the button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► arrangement is is how i'm assuming it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► just my hands just need to map to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► new movement mechanism whatever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► ends up being right that that's how i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► think it's going to be so i'm i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► it's like September so i'm going to wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► to see what the PSP r is like and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► that is good enough then I'm gonna stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► with that but if I try the PSP artists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► don't feel like how I felt this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6056">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► then i will be investing unfortunately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► in the local system thanks Andy and John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► man yeah thanks so much Tandy and John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► who made this day possible for us with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► with the tour facebook and access to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBnM42Gk/6078">TS</a>]