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Cortex 19: Brick of Obligation

 

  you know what my personal assistant got [TS]

  me for christmas mike star wars coloring [TS]

  books for grown-ups [TS]

  I got one of them oh yeah [TS]

  was this from one of the many many [TS]

  pictures that you sent me of coloring [TS]

  books yet from around the world [TS]

  I'm proving a point to you right so [TS]

  listeners I have been taking photos of [TS]

  every bookstore that go into and going [TS]

  into bookstore specifically to take [TS]

  photos as well to just proved too great [TS]

  that coloring is everywhere and now it's [TS]

  been proven that is everywhere because [TS]

  it's becoming a general gifts that [TS]

  people buy each other and now you have [TS]

  Star Wars and we may have the same 1i [TS]

  have Star Wars inspire creativity or [TS]

  something like that images to inspire [TS]

  creativity got a picture of your honor [TS]

  front [TS]

  mhm that's probably what it is i will be [TS]

  cracking that book out to Color up [TS]

  whilst i'm editing this episode not [TS]

  touch the up and waiting do you have to [TS]

  have coloring implements no I don't have [TS]

  any coloring book implements that I have [TS]

  I hope nothing [TS]

  alright i'll buy you those for Christmas [TS]

  then I i do not want christmas gifts but [TS]

  you need the coloring pens and I'm gonna [TS]

  get you good stuff because otherwise [TS]

  you'll get something crap i know i won't [TS]

  get anything [TS]

  crap i just won't get anything I don't [TS]

  need coloring instruments I don't need [TS]

  any of this [TS]

  how can you color in the book that [TS]

  you've been given that you see i phrase [TS]

  that in a very careful way which is that [TS]

  this is what she got me for Christmas [TS]

  but I was like please don't send this to [TS]

  me i do not think it was purchased and [TS]

  you denied it [TS]

  yeah that's exactly what happened that [TS]

  were you expecting gifts know and this [TS]

  is why I was like you know what i want [TS]

  for christmas [TS]

  nothing nothing from everyone is what i [TS]

  want for christmas [TS]

  do you get any gifts i try not to but [TS]

  for some reason in our document here you [TS]

  have a gift recommendation for everybody [TS]

  else [TS]

  oh yeah LOL of your gifts is that the [TS]

  recommendation like take all of my [TS]

  presence [TS]

  exactly that is my recommendation to you [TS]

  all this year take mine that I don't [TS]

  want them [TS]

  no don't take my things and I like the [TS]

  things that I have because I mean people [TS]

  took your things they don't have to take [TS]

  about one thing you have no things [TS]

  unless it was iPads you could take one [TS]

  of my iPad and everything [TS]

  in a minute we're therefore here before [TS]

  you just sit down the cash and what is [TS]

  that you just pull one out from the [TS]

  couch cushions you open a cabinet and [TS]

  they will stop pouring out on um yeah [TS]

  that's exactly what my eyes [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  yes I was thinking I was thinking a a [TS]

  gift recommendation if if you listener [TS]

  have a geek in your life that you want [TS]

  to get a gift for because i bought this [TS]

  thing i'm going to recommend a couple [TS]

  months ago and I've been surprised how [TS]

  much I use it and how much of the a [TS]

  game-changer it is for me and i also got [TS]

  one for my wife and what this is is just [TS]

  an external battery to charge your phone [TS]

  or your tablet [TS]

  how could you not have one of these okay [TS]

  so here's the reason i didn't get one of [TS]

  these before but i have a specific [TS]

  recommendation and then now of course I [TS]

  should have been prepared i'm not [TS]

  prepared for the show as Mike knows [TS]

  because some stuff came up with required [TS]

  my attention right before so when he was [TS]

  too busy giving these gifts away [TS]

  what is it movie seven but it's a [TS]

  specific one that i want to recommend is [TS]

  it the one that has the lightning [TS]

  yeah into that I have that one is black [TS]

  right now has a little dorrit ok there's [TS]

  two there's two different ones that i [TS]

  want to recommend hold on okay here it [TS]

  is [TS]

  okay here we go sorry Mike ok here we go [TS]

  okay [TS]

  universal that's not this is not what I [TS]

  want my cannot find the thing okay here [TS]

  we go okay [TS]

  exactly the one that i have is power [TS]

  station plus and i got for myself the [TS]

  Forex version but I am seriously [TS]

  regretting having not gotten the a text [TS]

  version but yes the thing that I like [TS]

  about this the thing that makes it for [TS]

  me really great is that it does have the [TS]

  integrated lightning cable so there's [TS]

  like a little cover that opens on the [TS]

  front of it and out pops the lightning [TS]

  cable so if you have the battery you [TS]

  also have the cable to charge whatever [TS]

  you want [TS]

  and of course for the non-apple people [TS]

  out there you can get it with i believe [TS]

  it's microUSB built-in instead [TS]

  yeah this to me is the whole thing [TS]

  because you know what I don't want I [TS]

  don't want to have to think about ok I [TS]

  need something to charge this and I need [TS]

  the wire to plug into the battery to [TS]

  then also plug into my phone I've never [TS]

  wanted to get any of those but when i [TS]

  saw one that had just the integrated [TS]

  cable in it as that thought okay I'm [TS]

  gonna buy this and I i just love this [TS]

  and I cannot believe how much it changes [TS]

  my i am out in the city working workflow [TS]

  because with this i have enough charge [TS]

  to like top up and ipad a little bit [TS]

  like I never quite get through a full [TS]

  day with an ipad even though apple says [TS]

  like oh you get 10 hours like me know [TS]

  Apple I don't get 10 hours out of that [TS]

  ipad not ever more like six or seven [TS]

  depending on what I'm doing but it also [TS]

  means that i don't i don't have to pick [TS]

  a table that is near an electrical [TS]

  outlet like this is not remotely [TS]

  required like I can just go in sit down [TS]

  at any table I want and charge myself up [TS]

  with the power station plus i'm really [TS]

  surprised that you didn't have one of [TS]

  these considering how much time you work [TS]

  and spend outside of home [TS]

  yeah well what I had before was just a [TS]

  regular plug to plug into the wall and [TS]

  then I bought there like three meter [TS]

  cables so that I could I could sit [TS]

  further away from from a spot and maybe [TS]

  but I don't know I just I just never [TS]

  thought it would be as convenient as as [TS]

  it is and i totally love it and the [TS]

  thing that I really like doing which I [TS]

  feel sometimes sneaky about is that [TS]

  sometimes if I there like a good table [TS]

  at a cafe that I want to set it's like [TS]

  okay great i considered a good table but [TS]

  sometimes you'll see like on the floor [TS]

  in and out of the out-of-the-way area [TS]

  there's a electrical socket and so i can [TS]

  plug in my battery somewhere else in the [TS]

  same cafe and just like leave it there [TS]

  to charge up for a little bit and then [TS]

  when i leave i just grab it and take it [TS]

  with me and plug it into my ipad in my [TS]

  backpack while walking around so it [TS]

  charges i go to my next location and [TS]

  then i have my iPad like happily happily [TS]

  topped up [TS]

  that's a pretty ninja move I keep [TS]

  waiting for someone to free [TS]

  gonna go like what the hell is this [TS]

  thing plugged into our wall but no one [TS]

  has either ever noticed or if they've [TS]

  noticed they haven't cared i think [TS]

  people know enough now like with those [TS]

  kinds of things are because it would [TS]

  look really weird right this box sitting [TS]

  in them in the corner of the cafe [TS]

  yeah yeah probably probably the the [TS]

  waiters do now because you're not the [TS]

  only person that I guess yeah one of [TS]

  these days I'm gonna go to plug mine and [TS]

  there's already going to be one there [TS]

  i'm gonna have to like sneakily take it [TS]

  out and put mine instead [TS]

  especially now you've shared you know [TS]

  tricks mmm yeah yeah there's going to be [TS]

  more people into doing it yep they have [TS]

  a super small version which is called [TS]

  the power reserve which is just this [TS]

  tiny little one that movie cells that [TS]

  also has an integrated lightning cable [TS]

  and it's only enough power to take your [TS]

  phone from dead too maybe like forty [TS]

  percent but what I've done with this is [TS]

  I have gotten my wife 12 just keep in [TS]

  her purse all the time and i'll tell you [TS]

  it's one of those things where once you [TS]

  have it [TS]

  she's been in enough situations where [TS]

  she's out somewhere and like you know [TS]

  it's low cell connection or something [TS]

  and the battery runs down and the whole [TS]

  point of having that little battery [TS]

  there is it's like okay look there's [TS]

  just a little backup here which can just [TS]

  power up your phone and it's enough [TS]

  energy to like get you to call an uber [TS]

  to go home or something and so she just [TS]

  loves having one of these in her bag as [TS]

  a backup and I know that she's getting [TS]

  them for a couple of her friends in the [TS]

  same situation of like just keep it in [TS]

  your bag so that you don't have to worry [TS]

  about your phone running out and then [TS]

  you're stranded somewhere late at night [TS]

  so I've never used battery packs before [TS]

  I know who like the latest person in the [TS]

  world to this but I really think like [TS]

  the integrated cable is what makes all [TS]

  of the difference that was like it's one [TS]

  thing to keep track of its not two [TS]

  things that's a that's great stocking [TS]

  stuffer recommendation for geeks for [TS]

  Christmas so considering I soon you'll [TS]

  still away from the internet you know [TS]

  have you happened upon apples battery [TS]

  case if you've seen that no i'm so happy [TS]

  that i get your response from this right [TS]

  now okay I'm going I'm going to bring up [TS]

  a link and I'm gonna send you it [TS]

  okay because we're talking about [TS]

  batteries and I just wanted to see what [TS]

  you think about this because i think [TS]

  that you're gonna go co raised there [TS]

  well don't predict my reaction for [TS]

  like now you're just setting me on a [TS]

  product it perfectly alright so Apple [TS]

  have created and release the battery [TS]

  pack for the iphone 6s only iphone 6s [TS]

  only yep [TS]

  what kind of bullshit is that exactly [TS]

  take a look at it and you see huh that's [TS]

  interesting looking and I'll go right [TS]

  I wouldn't i'm not sure i would go so [TS]

  far as to say that it's ugly [TS]

  i mean it's it's no it's no UFO Apple [TS]

  watch charger thing like that you know [TS]

  that docking station that they made me [TS]

  an Apple watch that thing is fugly if [TS]

  that thing came out of jony ive's brain [TS]

  you know I think Johnny I've Jenny I've [TS]

  might need to be sent out to pasture but [TS]

  this battery this battery case thing i'm [TS]

  gonna i'm gonna say it's in elegant but [TS]

  if they made one for the 6s plus i might [TS]

  get one cry i don't i don't think it's [TS]

  so hideous that I wouldn't want to use [TS]

  it [TS]

  here's my guests about this product this [TS]

  to me looks like Apple is trying to make [TS]

  something that gives you more battery [TS]

  but that is also the lightest and [TS]

  thinnest thing they can possibly make [TS]

  that's my guess about what this looks [TS]

  like i'm really irritated that they [TS]

  don't have a 6s plus yeah I don't know [TS]

  why this is because and people are going [TS]

  like oh if you have a6 this will give [TS]

  your battery so it can be like the 6s [TS]

  plus know cause think it's like 18 hours [TS]

  more battery life this the the place [TS]

  doesn't have 18 hours more [TS]

  whoa ok that is crazy i was looking at [TS]

  this thing i was looking at this thing [TS]

  my guess was maybe it's fifty percent [TS]

  more battery life you know like it the [TS]

  top up Apple was saying it will give 18 [TS]

  hours more button also won't take your [TS]

  phone from zero to a hundred percent [TS]

  yeah but they may be doing some clever [TS]

  charging tricks with that right like [TS]

  digging a taking a battery from empty to [TS]

  full is a very different chemical [TS]

  process than than keeping a battery hi i [TS]

  think is that there's a there's a lot of [TS]

  really non intuitive physics for [TS]

  batteries that people think of it as [TS]

  like oh it's like a liquid right now [TS]

  it's filled with mountain dew and if you [TS]

  add fifty percent more mountain dew you [TS]

  fifty percent was like oh no batteries [TS]

  and capacity [TS]

  there's they don't work like this at all [TS]

  so I can totally understand if people [TS]

  are doing tests where they say oh here's [TS]

  my dead battery [TS]

  how far does it go up like that might [TS]

  not be very representative of how i can [TS]

  work that's a good point because you [TS]

  can't you can't turn this on off like it [TS]

  just charges on when it wants to see [TS]

  that's interesting that's very [TS]

  interesting and I know I feel like to me [TS]

  that's a feature because I also don't [TS]

  like the little fiddly switches on the [TS]

  movie cases like you know what movie [TS]

  can't you just solve this for me like [TS]

  just charge it when it's supposed to be [TS]

  good but so I don't know I feel like you [TS]

  wanted me to mock this case but the the [TS]

  more I'm hearing about it the more all [TS]

  of thinking is why is there not one for [TS]

  the six plus we might talk about this [TS]

  later but i was recently traveling and [TS]

  normally I don't put a case on my phone [TS]

  but when I travel I do because it's a [TS]

  situation if I drop it now this is a [TS]

  really awkward and inconvenient time to [TS]

  try to replace a phone is when you're [TS]

  traveling so when I travel I do put a [TS]

  case on my phone and why was saying that [TS]

  I would get this is this to me would [TS]

  seem like for my 6 plus the perfect [TS]

  thing to have while traveling because it [TS]

  is exactly while traveling that you want [TS]

  all of the extra battery that you can [TS]

  get and then plus a case like I wouldn't [TS]

  use this all the time but i definitely [TS]

  would have a use case scenario for this [TS]

  now i'm just irritated apple that they [TS]

  don't make one for the six plus we'll [TS]

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  time on the show I believe you talked to [TS]

  people to work out how many degrees i am [TS]

  away from Kevin Bacon oh yeah we [TS]

  mentioned this it turns out five is the [TS]

  best number we've got into so far [TS]

  oh yeah what's the what's the chain from [TS]

  you too Kevin Bacon i interviewed [TS]

  animals girl once who has worked with a [TS]

  director called ryan Johnson who [TS]

  directed a movie that Bruce Willis's in [TS]

  and then from bruce willis you go to [TS]

  sarah jessica parker actually been in a [TS]

  movie together and then you can go to [TS]

  Kevin Bacon if you're five degrees to [TS]

  kevin bacon and I am exactly six degrees [TS]

  of Kevin Bacon yeah I like this it's [TS]

  kind of crazy to me that I am in within [TS]

  that realm now and so are you like that [TS]

  there is there is some way now that I as [TS]

  a regular mere mortal are within the six [TS]

  degree line but this is this is this is [TS]

  the whole this is the whole thing that [TS]

  with the with the six degrees of Kevin [TS]

  Bacon thing is it's non-intuitive pneus [TS]

  that everybody is much closer than you [TS]

  think they are [TS]

  it's just that the connections are [TS]

  invisible like that's until you get [TS]

  people into the point them out to you [TS]

  until you get people pointing them in [TS]

  twitter but but even then you're only [TS]

  using publicly known connections between [TS]

  people right like that's that's what [TS]

  makes six degrees really interesting is [TS]

  is they give you if you could somehow [TS]

  see all of the connections you would see [TS]

  that humans are much more closely [TS]

  connected to each other than it seems [TS]

  possible but i like being 60 together [TS]

  bacon exactly so it is a very beautiful [TS]

  thing [TS]

  thank you to the people that time to [TS]

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  oh ok so this is this is the thing I [TS]

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  oh yeah did you originally in planning [TS]

  for this month yep but that we're not [TS]

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  that's a thing like ladies and gentlemen [TS]

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  viscum the record i had this whole big [TS]

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  which is probably also a good time for [TS]

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  Mike was trying to plan like this [TS]

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  going no you don't understand mike i am [TS]

  taking Christmas off and like was like [TS]

  no but we can work more than just my [TS]

  kept sending me all these plans like [TS]

  he's gonna do this thing it's going to [TS]

  be amazing and all you need to do is say [TS]

  yes and I was like no you can't close [TS]

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  got you now you think you nearly got me [TS]

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  the way you reeled all of that off that [TS]

  maybe you haven't spoken about this on [TS]

  some other podcasts prior to doing this [TS]

  cortex show [TS]

  yeah I spoke about it a lot the last few [TS]

  days when I want to know right because [TS]

  you gotta tell people they don't know [TS]

  about it so right [TS]

  I've been refining a kind of internal [TS]

  add in my brain over the last week or so [TS]

  and it and that is the best it has been [TS]

  so far but I'm imagining maybe that this [TS]

  is the last show that you're talking [TS]

  about this i like it is I felt like that [TS]

  was very well-rehearsed yeah there might [TS]

  be like one more button but that's it [TS]

  but this is this is the end of the line [TS]

  area i mean i guess the the thing here [TS]

  is i feel like--okay this is towards the [TS]

  end [TS]

  of shows that you have spoken about this [TS]

  on this is also about cortex which is in [TS]

  theory sort of about our businesses and [TS]

  things so you've given you've given the [TS]

  pitch to members for what they will [TS]

  receive why they might want to become a [TS]

  member if they want to support the show [TS]

  but like from your perspective that you [TS]

  mentioned this to me a while back that [TS]

  this was something that you and Stephen [TS]

  were noodling with the idea of maybe [TS]

  bringing to rely in the future so like [TS]

  as much as you want to go into detail [TS]

  like I would be kind of curious to know [TS]

  like what what are the reasons that you [TS]

  wanted to bring this to really like from [TS]

  a business perspective one of the key [TS]

  ones was just that people have asked for [TS]

  and if people are asking to give you [TS]

  money [TS]

  it feels like you should maybe try and [TS]

  make that happen [TS]

  mhm right and and I don't expect that [TS]

  and we have no intention that this is [TS]

  gonna make us like billions of dollars [TS]

  we are still in advertising business [TS]

  like this show still going to have ants [TS]

  on it i'm not going to talk about the [TS]

  membership all the time but I don't want [TS]

  to mix those two things up too much [TS]

  because i don't think that we would make [TS]

  enough money to kind of Eclipse that [TS]

  anytime soon [TS]

  who because that's what our business is [TS]

  built on but it felt like something that [TS]

  we could do that would get more money [TS]

  for all of our hosts which just feels [TS]

  like a thing that we would like to do [TS]

  and then also maybe you've already [TS]

  bought products more of our sponsors who [TS]

  so you can't support us in any other way [TS]

  and I've heard people say that to all [TS]

  they're like I don't want this or I [TS]

  don't want that but i do want to support [TS]

  you [TS]

  well now you can do it it's just like [TS]

  another way for us to maybe grow the [TS]

  business and get more money for the [TS]

  people that work with us and stuff like [TS]

  that which is important to me is the one [TS]

  of the others business right [TS]

  yeah it's your responsibility to grow [TS]

  the business owner mm that's a business [TS]

  has to do it grows or it dies or or it [TS]

  levels off successfully individuality [TS]

  but we don't you talk about those [TS]

  businesses right a board-certified there [TS]

  either infinite growth to the sky right [TS]

  or crushing ran to the ground [TS]

  so this is part of the this is part of [TS]

  the relay dot FM ever upwards business [TS]

  growth because otherwise we crash and I [TS]

  apparently what are you worried about [TS]

  how the sponsors might feel about this [TS]

  now because I don't think that it [TS]

  attracts from one of the other like [TS]

  people can people will spend their money [TS]

  and what they want to spend their money [TS]

  on and if they want to buy a mattress [TS]

  I don't think giving 5,000 month to us [TS]

  is going to change their mind buying a [TS]

  mattress you-know-who [TS]

  so the other thing then is like you [TS]

  mentioned very briefly in your spiel but [TS]

  the this is you're not going with [TS]

  something like patreon is the big player [TS]

  in this game now right like what is the [TS]

  business reason for not doing something [TS]

  like patreon because I mean from my [TS]

  perspective it seems like patreon is [TS]

  just the easy thing to do right like you [TS]

  can just go you sign up and like they [TS]

  they kind of handle everything and [TS]

  you've sort of built your own thing but [TS]

  like why why did you do that instead of [TS]

  going with patreon patrons like really [TS]

  restrictive for business and size of [TS]

  ours I think because if we wanted to [TS]

  just do give money to relay FM LLC like [TS]

  patron would've made sense we have one [TS]

  patreon account we bring all the money [TS]

  in and then we even keep it only [TS]

  distributed amongst our host that that [TS]

  was that's the decision we could have [TS]

  could have made but that's not the one [TS]

  that we wanted we wanted to have the [TS]

  ability for people to give directly to a [TS]

  show we have the ability so you can give [TS]

  money to all of our shows but when you [TS]

  do that which is awesome if you want to [TS]

  do that but then the money gets [TS]

  distributed amongst everybody and it's [TS]

  quite a lot of people so we set it up [TS]

  that if you loved one or two shows i [TS]

  collect a lot like you really love those [TS]

  shows the most you can give your money [TS]

  to those and those hoes get more money [TS]

  right [TS]

  so if we didn't want to set up like 25 [TS]

  pages on accounts to do that okay like [TS]

  that seems like a nightmare and we [TS]

  looked into a bunch of different systems [TS]

  and the one that we settled on was the [TS]

  one that made the most sense and kind of [TS]

  treats everything like its own little [TS]

  plan and then we can build it into our [TS]

  website and manage it that way [TS]

  mm and also like the the patreon system [TS]

  with goals and that kind of stuff is not [TS]

  really what we wanted to do [TS]

  yeah the goal thing on patreon can be a [TS]

  bit weird sometimes [TS]

  look with the goal to keep doing the [TS]

  things yeah exactly and then it's like [TS]

  oh we end up at whatever moves patreon [TS]

  makes we have to go along with those mm [TS]

  so if they're like now you have to have [TS]

  seven goals a month that you add [TS]

  otherwise it doesn't work anymore and [TS]

  like and then they have the whole thing [TS]

  you have to publish staff into their [TS]

  system for it to trigger the payments [TS]

  and it just doesn't scale the way that [TS]

  we want to like we don't get to make our [TS]

  own decisions but with our system we can [TS]

  do whatever we want and we own it all [TS]

  which it makes things more complex but [TS]

  it allows us to have a starting point [TS]

  which is where we are now and we're [TS]

  listening to what people are saying and [TS]

  we're trying to to grow and adapt it in [TS]

  a way that makes the most sense that [TS]

  everyone going forward but i think that [TS]

  this one was a lot better for us this is [TS]

  one show or if we were just taking in [TS]

  money just for the business then maybe [TS]

  patreon would make more sense but that's [TS]

  not the way that we wanted to do it [TS]

  it also sounds like this is a bit of the [TS]

  platform problem that yeah yearning [TS]

  yearning that patreon is now in a weird [TS]

  way [TS]

  sort of like youtube or any of these [TS]

  services where it itself is becoming a [TS]

  platform upon which if your business is [TS]

  big enough like depending on patreon now [TS]

  becomes its own kind of weird problem [TS]

  yeah we're a little logic two platforms [TS]

  and if we don't need to join one then we [TS]

  won't do it and this is a this is [TS]

  showing that like we just decided that [TS]

  we would build on our own instead right [TS]

  so you are you are treating convenience [TS]

  for independence excess what's occurring [TS]

  here where that is a that is a [TS]

  fundamental pillar of my thinking about [TS]

  business you can build yourself do it [TS]

  because otherwise you you are at the [TS]

  mercy of the whims of Industry a right [TS]

  but I also i feel the need at this [TS]

  moment to just [TS]

  it's just a city official i love you [TS]

  no no no I'm thinking as is mike mike is [TS]

  here talking big about oh you know you [TS]

  build it you build it you build that [TS]

  it's you know it's good but like haven't [TS]

  you had Steven be handling most of this [TS]

  behind-the-scenes isn't that the case [TS]

  yeah but funny on the business together [TS]

  like it's like he's my whipping boy or [TS]

  something you own the business together [TS]

  but it's also oh yeah we're going to [TS]

  build this thing like one person has [TS]

  shouldered most of the burden it seems [TS]

  like a putting the membership into [TS]

  action yeah and I just pop in the night [TS]

  before and I'm like change this bit [TS]

  change that bit and let you and pretty [TS]

  sure he wanted to kill me [TS]

  uh-huh but yeah but this is definitely a [TS]

  royal we' scenario that wasn't me i just [TS]

  had my ideas everything right but yes [TS]

  Steven did this like elongated far great [TS]

  development team will Jason really is [TS]

  not just my curly is mike and Stephen [TS]

  and so this is definitely a case of mike [TS]

  has an idea like one person has to make [TS]

  it actually come into existence which is [TS]

  the harder part than thinking of the [TS]

  thing i don't know if it was my idea [TS]

  even I don't know where it came from i [TS]

  think it was just a thing that we [TS]

  decided we would do [TS]

  waiter might have been even steven idea [TS]

  and then Steve work as well not very [TS]

  likely yeah what do you do here Mike [TS]

  I don't do anything i just talk to you [TS]

  for hours that's my contribution that is [TS]

  hard work [TS]

  to be fair it's called you mentioned a [TS]

  moment ago about businesses ever growing [TS]

  infinitely like ours is or crashing in a [TS]

  fiery death to the ground [TS]

  mm that's happened the one that is very [TS]

  important to me which mailbox [TS]

  oh yeah this was a mailbox was your [TS]

  email client of choice back and we did [TS]

  our let's talk about all the email [TS]

  clients and why they make a sad [TS]

  yeah well we we started talking about [TS]

  that because i was under the belief that [TS]

  this was going to happen and it has now [TS]

  happened so dropbox has killed mailbox [TS]

  yeah absorbed it absorbed it amoeba-like [TS]

  I guess is probably what really happened [TS]

  while they're working as they have [TS]

  sunsetted it [TS]

  oh wow [TS]

  oh yeah that a way to say that you do [TS]

  the thing lots and lots of people have [TS]

  been tweeting and emailing to me about [TS]

  this either a letting me know it [TS]

  happened right they heard us talk about [TS]

  on the show and B which is happening [TS]

  more frequently now begging and pleading [TS]

  for me to get them a solution please [TS]

  help us [TS]

  you know that is some kind of starwars [TS]

  scenario now right [TS]

  I'm i am the peoples only hope at this [TS]

  scenario now did this is where we are [TS]

  I have to help people see that this kind [TS]

  of thing is you're saying right now is [TS]

  exactly the sort of overly noble [TS]

  viewpoint that I expect people who [TS]

  always play the good guys in video games [TS]

  to have this like an email client has [TS]

  disappeared and mike is viewing himself [TS]

  as many peoples only hope for solving [TS]

  this problem there's nothing wrong plan [TS]

  a good guy video games as many people [TS]

  pointed out and many people like me are [TS]

  questioning you now as a person who [TS]

  likes to play evil people not relevant [TS]

  I'm just I'm seeing from your comments [TS]

  exactly what i suspected envision [TS]

  yourself with wings and a sword [TS]

  yeah nothing wrong with trying to be the [TS]

  good guy but so anyway Mike are you [TS]

  going to solve these people's problem do [TS]

  you have a masterful solution for them [TS]

  i'm going to tell them what I'm doing [TS]

  mmm the features that i want don't exist [TS]

  in one app so there is no way for me to [TS]

  recreate the system so the recreation is [TS]

  in a few different things cross-platform [TS]

  snoozing and reordering of email right [TS]

  that is like my they were the features [TS]

  that I like the most about mailbox there [TS]

  is no system that exists right now that [TS]

  does all of those things right out of [TS]

  everything I've looked at there is no [TS]

  other email app I have found that allows [TS]

  for manual reordering of email just [TS]

  nothing does that so i have to give that [TS]

  one up there are lots of different apps [TS]

  and services that do snoozing of email [TS]

  for example spark the email app that we [TS]

  mentioned does that outlook does it [TS]

  wasn't there are a few more there there [TS]

  are many that allow for email to be [TS]

  snooze [TS]

  however none of these have a good [TS]

  cross-platform solution and when you're [TS]

  doing things like snoozing email you [TS]

  kind of need to use the same service [TS]

  every [TS]

  we're because snoozing email is a real [TS]

  hockey thing like put into like a hidden [TS]

  folder and their weights and moves it [TS]

  back to your inbox again it doesn't [TS]

  really work very graciously unless you [TS]

  use one platform everywhere [TS]

  yeah if you use any of these services [TS]

  like like when I was trying out the [TS]

  whole bunch of different email clients [TS]

  to to see which one might work for me [TS]

  you learn very quickly like oh I can't [TS]

  actually log into gmail and look at the [TS]

  folder structure anymore cuz has each [TS]

  individual male client is creating its [TS]

  own arcane folder structure that it's [TS]

  absorbing messages into try to keep [TS]

  track of what it views as news messages [TS]

  yeah so it's like if you're going to use [TS]

  one of these things you really have to [TS]

  be all in on it everywhere you have to [TS]

  be making the decision that like i am [TS]

  going to use mail client x everywhere [TS]

  all the time and I'm just not going to [TS]

  be able to access my email directly in [TS]

  the same way that I used to some [TS]

  solutions that I have potentially found [TS]

  that i am not using currently our mail [TS]

  pilot which we mentioned last time that [TS]

  was the one that made me scream and cry [TS]

  because they didn't have notifications [TS]

  that was a probably my leading contender [TS]

  i think in that last show of alternative [TS]

  male clients because it seems to do [TS]

  everything except that one thing which i [TS]

  do really need plus they have their own [TS]

  peculiar way of looking at email from [TS]

  home which is which would take some [TS]

  learning and one of the things that I am [TS]

  coming to a conclusion now is to stop [TS]

  relying on the service to provide me [TS]

  with a new way to look at email because [TS]

  it goes away and I have to rethink [TS]

  everything which is why I'm going [TS]

  through right now people have been [TS]

  suggesting SaneBox to me [TS]

  same box has a as the part of their [TS]

  service is something called sane later [TS]

  whether you can snooze email same box [TS]

  isn't an app it's just like a service [TS]

  that you can do software and they also [TS]

  do some like inbox cleaning things which [TS]

  I'm always very cautious of but i know a [TS]

  lot of people that use same box and it's [TS]

  they seem to love it so that's one [TS]

  definitely to check out if you are [TS]

  looking at it but it is you still need [TS]

  apps and stuff like same box is just a [TS]

  little layer that sits on top of things [TS]

  and then you know you've got some of the [TS]

  apps already mentioned like sparkle [TS]

  Sparkle working our iPad and a mac [TS]

  client which is also that they're [TS]

  working on it but it's not here now is [TS]

  it so it's not really a solution but [TS]

  many peoples and we just use spark it's [TS]

  like yeah like they're gonna be cost [TS]

  platforms like mhm and not other if [TS]

  there's if there's one thing that I have [TS]

  learned with software stuff is when [TS]

  someone says a feature or a service on a [TS]

  platform is coming it's like I'm just [TS]

  going to count that as it isn't until [TS]

  it's here yet because i had played the [TS]

  waiting game and lost too many times do [TS]

  i switch to this new thing while they're [TS]

  working on their new one and like nope [TS]

  it'll never come if you do that just you [TS]

  have to evaluate things as they are in [TS]

  their current state because you never [TS]

  know how long it's going to take to get [TS]

  what you're looking for [TS]

  so for me personally I've decided that [TS]

  my way forward is to have to think about [TS]

  email differently again and I need to a [TS]

  pro approach it from a more simplistic [TS]

  view [TS]

  sounds like you're headed towards my [TS]

  solution which is the native mail app [TS]

  app it's gonna come get you Mike sooner [TS]

  or later all my iPhone and my ipad i am [TS]

  using outlook [TS]

  uh-huh because i like it a lot outlook [TS]

  is a great app it has all of the [TS]

  standard features that i need like a [TS]

  real great integration with services [TS]

  like Dropbox and Google Drive so i can [TS]

  very easily grab files and attach them [TS]

  and it looks really nice and i like it a [TS]

  lot it's a great app it has great apple [TS]

  watch support I can preview a lot of the [TS]

  email from a notification like I really [TS]

  like Outlook a lot but outlook on the [TS]

  desktop is nowhere near the same [TS]

  application microsoft bought a company [TS]

  they turned out look they turned that [TS]

  app into outlook on iOS and Android but [TS]

  their mac app is in need of a lot of [TS]

  love because for example outlook does [TS]

  scheduling and snoozing of email but it [TS]

  doesn't work on a desktop who [TS]

  so again i'm not using it and I'm now [TS]

  currently I say currently using that [TS]

  male the Apple my mac i hate mail [TS]

  I hate it so much the thing that I'm [TS]

  noticing currently is it's getting stuck [TS]

  when I try and do swiping gestures on [TS]

  email like you make all of this you make [TS]

  the trackpad and makeup yeah why is this [TS]

  not working so i'm looking currently at [TS]

  some i'm looking at desktop apps right [TS]

  now air mail has been one that I've used [TS]

  in the past and i'm going to look at [TS]

  that again they're making an iphone app [TS]

  which it looks incredible but i'm making [TS]

  an ipad app so there's another one and [TS]

  i'm also looking at them on Alpha for a [TS]

  nap which I think anybody can sign up [TS]

  for now I haven't I haven't opened it [TS]

  yet but it's called Polly mail and it [TS]

  looks really really pretty and it's a [TS]

  mad man if there's anything I don't want [TS]

  to use an alpha or beta for it's [TS]

  something that is interacting I an email [TS]

  i had that's why i haven't opened it yet [TS]

  but it doesn't look really nice but i [TS]

  may not put my real family email account [TS]

  into their like I might just put my [TS]

  personal email account into there right [TS]

  now and see what happens [TS]

  yeah that sounds like a deal with the [TS]

  devil like a look at this beautiful [TS]

  attractive female clients but it's going [TS]

  to eat everything our civilian which you [TS]

  actually might be a great thing you [TS]

  should sign for I have no email anymore [TS]

  how makes it okay so my other thing is [TS]

  like so now it's like well how do I [TS]

  think about email differently so now I'm [TS]

  trying to just pay attention to the list [TS]

  and keep the list small so i'm doing i'm [TS]

  setting up a bunch of folders and stuff [TS]

  and putting things in folders and hoping [TS]

  that it works so like one of the things [TS]

  i would you snoozing forward say i had [TS]

  feedback for cortex I don't need to look [TS]

  at that immediately when it comes in I [TS]

  just need to look at it at the days that [TS]

  i know i do prep for cortex where so i [TS]

  would snooze it to like monday right [TS]

  come on monday i do a little bit and do [TS]

  it on wednesday and thursday to get [TS]

  everything ready for it so I don't need [TS]

  to see on on like friday and plus we do [TS]

  this every two weeks i said there's a [TS]

  whole week where I don't need it in my [TS]

  inbox so I used to snooze until that day [TS]

  but now i'm setting up folders for the [TS]

  shows and putting that [TS]

  in the feedback in those folders when it [TS]

  comes in and then the plan is to go in [TS]

  and look at them and do something with [TS]

  them but then there's other things like [TS]

  invalid sponsor requests and keeping on [TS]

  top of those and having to put those in [TS]

  folders and I'm trying to work out like [TS]

  at what point is OmniFocus come into [TS]

  this and then instead of setting what [TS]

  would be a snooze and the email will pop [TS]

  up as a reminder when it comes in to [TS]

  follow up on an email i'm now starting [TS]

  to set OmniFocus ask for it so it's [TS]

  basically everything everything and this [TS]

  has been a real valuable lesson to me in [TS]

  trusting a system which you cannot [TS]

  control as a really important part of [TS]

  your business because now like if i look [TS]

  at this in the right way and approach it [TS]

  the right way the system that I'm [TS]

  creating i can use with any email [TS]

  service and any to do service [TS]

  yeah because it's purely reading email [TS]

  filing email and setting tasks anything [TS]

  can do that where the mailbox once like [TS]

  that system became so important to the [TS]

  way that I do my stuff that when it goes [TS]

  away I'm like lost and have to rethink [TS]

  everything which is a situation i don't [TS]

  want to find myself in this is this is [TS]

  like one of the fundamental problems [TS]

  with a lot of computing stuff is you [TS]

  want to be all-in on systems or [TS]

  particular products really because they [TS]

  give you bigger advantages but then [TS]

  you're you're at the mercy of them going [TS]

  away or changing and so it's like you [TS]

  know the the software giveth and [TS]

  software take it away right with one [TS]

  hand and with the other and and so it's [TS]

  just making it just making me think [TS]

  maybe she maybe about 10 12 years ago I [TS]

  made a very conscious decision that [TS]

  everything that I was doing on the [TS]

  computer if it was possible to keep it [TS]

  as a plain text file i was going to keep [TS]

  it as a plain text file like I had come [TS]

  out of college and using word documents [TS]

  and all these other kinds of things but [TS]

  I made a real decision like okay I'm [TS]

  going to convert as much to text as [TS]

  possible and I still do just a ton of [TS]

  stuff as raw text files and that has [TS]

  served me very well as various [TS]

  particular writing apps [TS]

  come and gone or various other ways to [TS]

  store data have coming honestly yes but [TS]

  txt files remain because they are just [TS]

  this very slow-moving will be around [TS]

  forever can be read by anything [TS]

  structure and and your problem with [TS]

  email is a similar thing where it's like [TS]

  okay I map which is this which is the [TS]

  system behind most emails and imap will [TS]

  probably be around for another 50 years [TS]

  and so if you can come up with some kind [TS]

  of email-based workflow that is around [TS]

  imap that reduces you're worried about [TS]

  this particular program going away in [TS]

  the future and like okay i can i can [TS]

  just have my email system because I'm [TS]

  trying to build it on the lowest [TS]

  possible level but the trade-off there [TS]

  is like you don't get the amazing [TS]

  features of being all in on one specific [TS]

  app but then you're not sad when it's [TS]

  sunset at that app even then like even [TS]

  not even thinking about imap it's like [TS]

  creating a system which is just [TS]

  fundamentally what emails about just [TS]

  building on that so even if I you moved [TS]

  to a different system or if i'm at went [TS]

  away and I was like I'm apt to like the [TS]

  things I'm doing or trying to do a very [TS]

  likely very very likely to still exist [TS]

  like receiving emails and filing emails [TS]

  is interesting for me because I used to [TS]

  be a real purist about how email should [TS]

  work and like how people should handle [TS]

  email but I've given that up over time [TS]

  both as like my my amount of female has [TS]

  grown to be unmanageable and also just [TS]

  really like man email like the whole [TS]

  notion of like receiving messages from [TS]

  people and how to sort them like this is [TS]

  just an endless topic and it is so [TS]

  particular to the individuals who are [TS]

  trying to manage it that like there is [TS]

  there is no one way to handle this and [TS]

  things that might horrify one person [TS]

  about the way they do their email are [TS]

  exactly what what somebody else needs [TS]

  but you have fundamentally if you can [TS]

  reduce it to messages are coming in and [TS]

  i have a system of folders that they get [TS]

  filed into or maybe you have a couple of [TS]

  server-side rules that help you filter [TS]

  stuff out like that feels like a pretty [TS]

  good long-term will be around forever [TS]

  kind of solution i wish you luck with [TS]

  this [TS]

  it seems like it it really cuts you up [TS]

  inside [TS]

  it does but I tell you what the this [TS]

  show has really helped me in dealing [TS]

  with this like this therapeutic for you [TS]

  well know just not this episode like [TS]

  this show in general like thinking more [TS]

  about the way I do things and talking to [TS]

  you about your system when this happened [TS]

  I was like okay I now know what you need [TS]

  to do which is as you're right like what [TS]

  you do make it very simple and then [TS]

  maybe the next step is getting somebody [TS]

  to just look after my email for me so I [TS]

  never need to read it in first place [TS]

  right method that my email system now is [TS]

  I ignore it for weeks and weeks until my [TS]

  personal assistant tells me that there's [TS]

  something that really needs my attention [TS]

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  ok after our last episode you sent me a [TS]

  text message or an iMessage i should say [TS]

  and you said to me you know when do you [TS]

  think you have the Edit on them [TS]

  I told you when I thought I was gonna [TS]

  get it done and you like great I might [TS]

  be a little bit less responsive than [TS]

  usual because I've decided I'm going on [TS]

  a trip and I said you where are you [TS]

  going and you said i don't know i'm [TS]

  going to the train station [TS]

  I'm like a leaf on the wind this is the [TS]

  exact conversation that we had and then [TS]

  you went away for a few days i was very [TS]

  confused by all of this the the idea of [TS]

  you just your friend we have travel is [TS]

  sharing to travel it's like a time when [TS]

  I most stressed and prepared [TS]

  you seem to just not care about it like [TS]

  the whole flying standby stuff and now [TS]

  you're just going to a train station and [TS]

  getting on a train that you don't even [TS]

  know what you where you going hmm so you [TS]

  went on a little trip and so what was [TS]

  this trip [TS]

  yeah yeah i did i did go on a bit of an [TS]

  unexpected trip so the listeners of the [TS]

  show we'll know very well that normally [TS]

  normally what I do after videos this is [TS]

  right after the last video without [TS]

  normally my plan is that I take a day or [TS]

  two off and I just kind of edge out and [TS]

  I just play video games and I don't [TS]

  really do very much and that's just [TS]

  that's just my down time to recover from [TS]

  video production and we spoke about this [TS]

  last time but i don't know if you [TS]

  remember any [TS]

  from the episode yeah FML i'm just i'm [TS]

  just setting the stage like that's [TS]

  normally what I would do [TS]

  ok but for a for a variety of reasons it [TS]

  wasn't possible to do this time I still [TS]

  had too much to do but i was also just [TS]

  kind of still feeling like I'm just I'm [TS]

  overwhelmed but i also need to just [TS]

  recover a little bit like I can't just [TS]

  take a couple days off what am I gonna [TS]

  do so what I ended up deciding to do at [TS]

  the very last moment was like okay I am [TS]

  going to take a working vacation right [TS]

  now and I'm going to figure out what are [TS]

  the working things that I can delay [TS]

  what are the working things that I [TS]

  cannot delay and I'm just going to go [TS]

  somewhere else so that it's like my [TS]

  brain has this feeling of like okay [TS]

  things are different like this is nice [TS]

  and i'm going to just work on the [TS]

  limited number of things that I need to [TS]

  work on so I packed my microphone [TS]

  because i need to record some podcast [TS]

  ads which I had not done ahead of time I [TS]

  packed my laptop I packed my ipad pro [TS]

  which we might talk about later and i [TS]

  headed to the train station and I [TS]

  eventually just ended up in Amsterdam at [TS]

  a nice hotel not stay there for a while [TS]

  why is that funny to you Mike but i [TS]

  ended up like that that's the phrase [TS]

  like I thought you were gonna go to like [TS]

  warm earth or something like you know I [TS]

  think they did you just get experience I [TS]

  don't know somewhere in the north [TS]

  maybe who knows that explains nobody [TS]

  knows where it is but you know I just [TS]

  like I go there and that's where i am [TS]

  going to be and I'm just kidding i'll be [TS]

  able to take me like an hour together [TS]

  like ending up in Amsterdam is is quite [TS]

  a big undertaking you had to [TS]

  did you have your possible with you even [TS]

  did you take that [TS]

  yeah yeah i took my passport didn't know [TS]

  where you were going to be right like so [TS]

  being outside of the country that the [TS]

  long and short of it is that i was [TS]

  combining this with a visit to a friend [TS]

  who was in Germany and so I didn't know [TS]

  that I was going to be heading out of [TS]

  the UK so I did bring my passport so [TS]

  that's why I had that ahead of [TS]

  almost is in the south by the way what's [TS]

  in the south [TS]

  yeah it's like on the coast it's the [TS]

  cards in Scotland know something self so [TS]

  it sounds like an old coal mining town [TS]

  but I guess it isn't already said Warren [TS]

  sorry full month [TS]

  yeah sorry not really but just don't [TS]

  know anything about you but yeah so [TS]

  that's that's just that's just how this [TS]

  ended up working and so yeah I even [TS]

  though I mean the thing is I didn't it [TS]

  didn't really matter where I went [TS]

  because I spent most of my time indoors [TS]

  at a hotel [TS]

  I think editing cortex and editing hello [TS]

  internet and doing a bunch of [TS]

  administrative related work but yeah [TS]

  well it was a good thing it was a good [TS]

  thing to do and it's something I haven't [TS]

  I haven't done it recently but [TS]

  particularly particularly when I was [TS]

  still working as a teacher and also [TS]

  trying to do stuff on the side I as [TS]

  somewhat regularly did these things that [TS]

  my wife and I came to refer to as hotel [TS]

  weekends where if I had just a lot to do [TS]

  i found it much easier to change [TS]

  locations go to a place that is just [TS]

  like a self-contained unit in the way a [TS]

  hotel is and so that is like I have [TS]

  nothing really to worry about except [TS]

  just the work that i have brought with [TS]

  me and it's very easy to focus on this [TS]

  and I don't have any of the [TS]

  responsibilities of normal life like oh [TS]

  my gonna take out the trash like oh now [TS]

  i need to do the laundry as I know [TS]

  everything that i need is just here and [TS]

  so it's easy to focus on this stuff and [TS]

  so yes that's what I did for I think [TS]

  three days four days in the end in [TS]

  amsterdam for finishing up the trip and [TS]

  it was lovely when you're on [TS]

  yeah it was just me kind of dumbfounded [TS]

  by all really oh yeah i mean what's [TS]

  what's dumbfounding about it seems quite [TS]

  reasonable to me [TS]

  yeah but there's just some things you do [TS]

  I am death [TS]

  they're so out of character and i know [TS]

  that you know your character right so [TS]

  that sounds like a weird thing to say [TS]

  yeah it's not out of character because I [TS]

  did it yeah well now it's part of your [TS]

  character but before I don't think [TS]

  anybody would guess that you would do [TS]

  something like this [TS]

  because I certainly didn't yeah well I [TS]

  mean is this is probably the first time [TS]

  I have [TS]

  well it's not really sure I was gonna [TS]

  say probably the first time I've gone [TS]

  somewhere without a clear destination [TS]

  but then again like I used to road trip [TS]

  across america and that's the entire the [TS]

  winter road trip is like I'm vaguely [TS]

  heading west and I don't really know [TS]

  where I'm going to go but it's it seems [TS]

  it seems very reasonable thing seems [TS]

  reasonable to me [TS]

  yeah thanks i just i find it is a useful [TS]

  tool to be separated from your normal [TS]

  routine and to be able to focus on an [TS]

  amount of work and so it for me it is an [TS]

  interesting combination of this is more [TS]

  relaxing the normal life which is kind [TS]

  of what I needed right after the video [TS]

  but i am still able to focus on the work [TS]

  that needs to get done so was it was a [TS]

  productive like working vacation kind of [TS]

  thing that I ended up doing that was the [TS]

  trip i recommend it to try people [TS]

  yeah wish I could but a lot of my work [TS]

  requires a lot of audio equipment and [TS]

  that's not so easy to move around i [TS]

  brought my microphone with me it's easy [TS]

  plug it in here but you sounded super [TS]

  weird in the room that you're and that's [TS]

  true i didn't sound very weird in the [TS]

  room that I was in what I actually need [TS]

  to bring us some soundproofing equipment [TS]

  and then how do you bring that you know [TS]

  okay I am rapidly realizing that maybe [TS]

  this is not as as possible for you as I [TS]

  was originally expecting yeah I mean I [TS]

  guess you were traveling at the same [TS]

  time that i was traveling and I believe [TS]

  did you record any podcasts while you [TS]

  were gone I recorded one but it was a [TS]

  special episode like it was i recorded [TS]

  top-four will man identified with tiff [TS]

  amaka ok but that doesn't count because [TS]

  Marco must have sound rooms in his house [TS]

  somewhere like he's a little obsessed [TS]

  with audio so he would be all ready to [TS]

  go for a guest [TS]

  yeah he had enough microphones and they [TS]

  were all good quality microphones and [TS]

  write all the leftovers from his reviews [TS]

  that he does [TS]

  yep just laying around mark has got [TS]

  microphones like I've got ipads he was [TS]

  tricking me the because I now have all [TS]

  new audio equipment [TS]

  ok [TS]

  he gave me a microphone to use very [TS]

  specifically and then play it back to me [TS]

  and I splice and fantastic so I've been [TS]

  spent hundreds and hundreds of pounds [TS]

  but yeah well to answer your question I [TS]

  didn't recording shows and i'm away [TS]

  before i go away like that everything's [TS]

  done advanced who so I precor so I can't [TS]

  just be that leaf on the wind that you [TS]

  are that free spirit you know your whole [TS]

  business you're building a little kids [TS]

  around yourself that's what that's [TS]

  what's happening here you know all these [TS]

  all these shows that you have to record [TS]

  at specific times you can't go anywhere [TS]

  otherwise it's a it's a big deal if you [TS]

  leave an ethical a cage exactly look [TS]

  very strong metaphor haha at from my [TS]

  dream job [TS]

  ok have you do you think it's an [TS]

  intentionally provocative metaphor maybe [TS]

  I think it might be now I would never do [TS]

  such a thing [TS]

  mhm you mentioned the ipad pro now you [TS]

  spoke about it a little bit in your [TS]

  general interest podcast on hello [TS]

  Internet Brady was wanting to know if [TS]

  you should buy a ipad pro so we [TS]

  mentioned it in in brief on there i just [TS]

  figured if if we're calling this one the [TS]

  fetish podcast then that one is the [TS]

  general interest podcast Oh American I [TS]

  feel like I feel like I'm not getting [TS]

  involved in this [TS]

  that's what's happening here I have no [TS]

  comment on this yeah I feel like [TS]

  especially stay out of it [TS]

  yeah so you you know you were talking [TS]

  about it a little bit there but this was [TS]

  many weeks ago but I could tell because [TS]

  you said you didn't have a pencil then [TS]

  which I know that you do now because we [TS]

  we both had them like i have i have the [TS]

  keyboard now too so we both kind of [TS]

  fully equipped yeah that's the timing of [TS]

  this is interesting because we didn't [TS]

  really discuss the ipad pro or the Apple [TS]

  pencil on the last episode of cortex [TS]

  no we left it out even though at the [TS]

  time of that recording i already had the [TS]

  Apple pencil because I specifically [TS]

  didn't want to do what kind of like oh [TS]

  here's my first impressions of of the [TS]

  thing because i was viewing this as this [TS]

  is a tool that I need to figure out if [TS]

  it integrates into my workflow both for [TS]

  the ipad pro [TS]

  the end for the Apple pencil and so we [TS]

  didn't talk about it last time on [TS]

  purpose because i wanted to let it [TS]

  simmer for awhile and try to see like [TS]

  where does this fit how well does this [TS]

  work not just like who i tried it out [TS]

  and I can sign my name [TS]

  how does this actually fit into into my [TS]

  life and into my work so yes now we're [TS]

  going to talk about ipad pro and Apple [TS]

  pencil like what is it three weeks on [TS]

  three and a half weeks on something like [TS]

  that so you I assume you said you took [TS]

  it with you on your trip [TS]

  how much were you using it yeah so this [TS]

  is a this was very fortuitous timing [TS]

  that I got to pencil in time for my trip [TS]

  to Amsterdam and I had the keyboard and [TS]

  I had everything and I think the theme [TS]

  of this conversation can be summarized [TS]

  by how I felt packing which was [TS]

  oh boy i'm packing this ipad pro and [TS]

  unpacking the keyboard case cover and I [TS]

  got my pencil in my pocket isn't isn't [TS]

  this exciting and then I look over and [TS]

  on the floor is like oh right and [TS]

  there's you 15-inch macbook pro yeah [TS]

  yup that was how I felt going to New [TS]

  York because i was like this will be the [TS]

  first time something comes up right [TS]

  yeah the macbook pro felt like this [TS]

  total brick of obligation that I had to [TS]

  bring with me I oh well I'm going to be [TS]

  editing podcasts and so everything is [TS]

  already in logic and so I have to bring [TS]

  this laptop with me and also i'm [TS]

  bringing the microphone and I just don't [TS]

  want to figure out how to record it for [TS]

  the first time on the ipad pro so it's [TS]

  like you're comin with me laptop and the [TS]

  laptop is also always the like you said [TS]

  that the device of last resort that [TS]

  sometimes you run into a weird problem [TS]

  where there's something you just can't [TS]

  do on the ipad it's like AI gotta bring [TS]

  out the laptop but it was it was just [TS]

  quite quite striking this feeling that [TS]

  I've never really had before I like it [TS]

  always previously felt like my ipad is [TS]

  an accessory to my lap [TS]

  about the laptop was obviously the main [TS]

  thing and this trip was the first time [TS]

  it felt so clearly reverse like [TS]

  everything I wanted to do i was doing on [TS]

  the ipad pro and then the macbook was [TS]

  just like oh right I'm gonna go back to [TS]

  my hotel room and sit at a desk and use [TS]

  this thing for a while [TS]

  it's a real it's a real shifting moment [TS]

  I think having this ipad pro and having [TS]

  worked with it for a while [TS]

  couldn't agree more like I am finding [TS]

  more and more that i am using my iPad [TS]

  pro over my imank who and then my imac [TS]

  is like need to do the recording now or [TS]

  like need to do the [TS]

  like need to do the [TS]

  addressing now and I sit down at it or [TS]

  there might be some specific task that I [TS]

  need to do but more often than not i am [TS]

  i'm working on my iPad pro like today I [TS]

  i woke up a little later than normal i [TS]

  woke up at like 10 and we were recording [TS]

  until like three o'clock and i sat down [TS]

  in front of my imac at three o'clock but [TS]

  I've been working all day [TS]

  mhm so from the moment like from 10 to [TS]

  3i was working and I was doing it all my [TS]

  ipad pro yeah i've been i've been trying [TS]

  to think about how to express this [TS]

  feeling that I've had increasingly [TS]

  towards my OSX devices but that with the [TS]

  ipad pro is really crystallized and and [TS]

  what is it feels like every machine in [TS]

  my house that runs OSX so whether it's [TS]

  my imac or whether it's my laptop they [TS]

  feel to me [TS]

  increasingly like like how the toaster [TS]

  feels or how the refrigerator feels like [TS]

  it's it's a machine that is there to do [TS]

  a specific job but it's not something in [TS]

  a way that i am particularly interested [TS]

  in or excited about you familiar with [TS]

  the cars and trucks metaphor and I mean [TS]

  vaguely but give me the give me like the [TS]

  rundown of this is this new job thing [TS]

  right [TS]

  yeah and he was talking about tablet [TS]

  computers like Ambrose the ipad and what [TS]

  they might do some day 22 desktop [TS]

  machines and saying that there are [TS]

  people that will always need trucks and [TS]

  they are pcs right because they do [TS]

  specific things and they're very [TS]

  powerful and you need them for very [TS]

  specific reasons so things that only the [TS]

  trucks can do but some people own trucks [TS]

  when they don't actually need trucks and [TS]

  they'd be better off of a car which is [TS]

  the ipad and eventually a lot of those [TS]

  truck people will realize that they can [TS]

  be car people [TS]

  yeah I'm not sure you think I'm not sure [TS]

  that metaphor i can see what he's going [TS]

  for and it's very like Steve Jobs kind [TS]

  of thing to say she's always like [TS]

  pooh-poohing the last thing that they've [TS]

  just done and talking about how exciting [TS]

  the new thing that they're doing is I [TS]

  think the reason that i am i'm not quite [TS]

  going along with that is i am really [TS]

  aware of how all of the most interesting [TS]

  and also all of the most important work [TS]

  that I do i do on iOS now and the ipad [TS]

  pro feels like it is really the like the [TS]

  final nail in the coffin that has has [TS]

  turned OSX machines from like Oh general [TS]

  purpose exciting computer to pure [TS]

  utility alright what's interesting and [TS]

  exciting work then because I mean you [TS]

  create your videos and recording [TS]

  podcasts on s10 so when I'm thinking [TS]

  about my business [TS]

  the videos are the core of my business [TS]

  they are there what brings in the most [TS]

  money they are what consumes the largest [TS]

  part of my time and attention and to [TS]

  that end as we've discussed many times [TS]

  the writing and the research is the [TS]

  biggest part of that and so that is what [TS]

  i am doing on my iPad all the time and [TS]

  we can talk about it in a little bit [TS]

  like the Apple pencil has really changed [TS]

  some things with the way that I do the [TS]

  writing workflow but so considering that [TS]

  that that is where my time and attention [TS]

  goes that's why I spend so much time and [TS]

  attention on iOS as opposed to OSX and [TS]

  so it's like I was thinking about my [TS]

  office earlier today and which I am [TS]

  sitting in right now which is where I [TS]

  record a podcast so just like now it's [TS]

  cortex week so I sit down and recording [TS]

  cortex with you and I come into my [TS]

  office to do that or you next week I'm [TS]

  going to record hello internet with [TS]

  Brady so I come in here and I sit down [TS]

  and I do that and then realizing like [TS]

  okay but what other times do I sit down [TS]

  my computer when I have a big animation [TS]

  week to come in [TS]

  that's when I come in and I sit down at [TS]

  my computer but I sort of realized that [TS]

  i have this office in my new apartment [TS]

  she's two years old now which we'll get [TS]

  to in a second but I have this office [TS]

  that the centerpiece of it is this big [TS]

  retina iMac which takes up essentially [TS]

  the whole desk when I realized that I [TS]

  spend relatively speaking very few of my [TS]

  working hours sitting at this desk in [TS]

  front of the computer and the reason for [TS]

  that is because there's no space on this [TS]

  desk to also use my iPad so I'm always [TS]

  somewhere else there's like a kitchen [TS]

  table in our in our apartment that I'm [TS]

  very often finding myself sitting at [TS]

  during the day because I'd rather be [TS]

  working on an iPad then the gigantic [TS]

  computer which seems like it should be [TS]

  the thing that I'm working on which is [TS]

  now 15 feet away [TS]

  I just think that is a really [TS]

  interesting shift and like what what I [TS]

  was even thinking of is we've been [TS]

  toying with the idea of possibly moving [TS]

  into a new apartment at some point in [TS]

  the near ish future and I was thinking [TS]

  about planning out what my office would [TS]

  be like if I could have a slightly [TS]

  bigger space and I realized like oh I [TS]

  think I know what I would do if I had a [TS]

  bigger office i would take the desk that [TS]

  I am sitting at now which is like the [TS]

  centerpiece of my current office and put [TS]

  it up against some side of that room and [TS]

  just leave it as the machine where I go [TS]

  to do very specific kinds of work [TS]

  sometimes and i would get a bigger desk [TS]

  with nothing on it that that would be [TS]

  where i would actually spend most of my [TS]

  time working because that's where i [TS]

  could sit with an ipad and I just I [TS]

  think that is a phenomenal change to me [TS]

  that I am even considering relegating my [TS]

  computer to side of the room [TS]

  non central focus for work like I find [TS]

  it amazing that i have come to that [TS]

  point and and pass me would never have [TS]

  guessed that that that would even be [TS]

  something I would consider i find myself [TS]

  frequently wishing that my work wasn't [TS]

  tied to OS 10 [TS]

  mm because i have to make all of these [TS]

  considerations like I didn't want to [TS]

  take my laptop with me on that trip [TS]

  right but i had to because i had some [TS]

  shows to finish and even if i didn't [TS]

  have shows to finish i would be worried [TS]

  that if something came up and I need to [TS]

  do something with an audio file that I [TS]

  could grab it really easily and just go [TS]

  into the workforce that i need and have [TS]

  all of the apps that i need and it be as [TS]

  simple as I need you meant there are [TS]

  stuff starting to pop up for iOS now [TS]

  that can do some of this stuff but it's [TS]

  not seasoned enough yet for me now i [TS]

  need to see that that stuff has been [TS]

  around for a long time is being added to [TS]

  that kind of stuff before I think about [TS]

  going to there because i use logic as [TS]

  we've mentioned but if logic explodes [TS]

  and goes away [TS]

  there are other options that i can go to [TS]

  who it's we haven't got to that point on [TS]

  iOS yet but I expect it will be at some [TS]

  point and then maybe I can think [TS]

  differently about it again but right now [TS]

  that's where I am because I would like [TS]

  to i would like to pull a federally [TS]

  cover teaching and just always work on [TS]

  iOS because all of my favorite apps on [TS]

  iOS like and I don't mean like Tweetbot [TS]

  saying like always also iOS just like my [TS]

  favorite versions of all of my favorite [TS]

  apps also an iOS as well like I prefer [TS]

  the iOS versions of stuff to anything [TS]

  else and i really like like yesterday I [TS]

  went to my co-working space and I had a [TS]

  bunch of stuff that I needed to do that [TS]

  day like it was a real big like 2016 [TS]

  planning day that I knew who take care [TS]

  of who and I threw caution to the wind [TS]

  and I picked up my ipad pro I put in my [TS]

  bag and left who i was like i'm staying [TS]

  out of the house I have to do everything [TS]

  I need to do today on my iPad and I [TS]

  worked for like six hours and got a ton [TS]

  of stuff done and i was able to do it [TS]

  all on my iPad pro with my pencil and my [TS]

  keyboard and it felt really great and I [TS]

  knew when I was doing it that i know a [TS]

  lot of my friends that could not have [TS]

  coped with what i was doing who because [TS]

  it is so far away from [TS]

  whether they do things some things were [TS]

  a little bit more difficult but some [TS]

  things way easier but the whole thing [TS]

  was more enjoyable [TS]

  yeah that that's definitely something [TS]

  that is hard to articulate but iOS to me [TS]

  is a much more enjoyable user experience [TS]

  even with some of the stuff that's like [TS]

  a little clumsy sometimes where yes it [TS]

  is it's a bit awkward sometimes to do [TS]

  some things on iOS but the whole of it [TS]

  is just more enjoyable to use even when [TS]

  you're doing things that you don't [TS]

  really like to do right and and I think [TS]

  part of what makes OSX feel like it's a [TS]

  real utility is quite naturally like [TS]

  this slowing pace of development and [TS]

  change for it like it is solidifying [TS]

  over time more into like this is what we [TS]

  understand a computer to be in the same [TS]

  way as like microwaves or there's not a [TS]

  huge amount of revolution in microwave [TS]

  interfaces like okay we all understand [TS]

  where it is and how these buttons work [TS]

  and so it's just not going to change all [TS]

  that much [TS]

  where's the ipad pro plus the latest [TS]

  version of iOS there's no other way to [TS]

  put it [TS]

  this feels like and is the future of [TS]

  computing it is just I think there is no [TS]

  argument about that and and I i am just [TS]

  drawn to it as the platform to do as [TS]

  much on it as i possibly can and who one [TS]

  of the big things holding me back now [TS]

  aside from the podcast which will [TS]

  probably i will be doing on a computer [TS]

  for a long time coming if not simply [TS]

  because i have finally learned how to [TS]

  cobble it together with logic and I [TS]

  don't feel like learning a new program [TS]

  for that like I just want to get it done [TS]

  fast but one of the things that's [TS]

  holding me back [TS]

  going back to our earlier conversation [TS]

  about waiting for software is I am [TS]

  waiting for someone to come out with the [TS]

  first fully capable vector drawing [TS]

  program [TS]

  for iOS like there's some things that [TS]

  kind of work around the edges but [TS]

  there's there's nothing that is what i [TS]

  need in order to do the animations for [TS]

  the videos but i can say like man as [TS]

  soon as Adobe decides that they're the [TS]

  one who's going to come out with their [TS]

  full version of illustrator on the ipad [TS]

  or I forget i'll try to find it for the [TS]

  show notes but there's another company [TS]

  that looks like it's making a very nice [TS]

  full-featured vector drawing program [TS]

  that can I imagine myself sitting at my [TS]

  new desk in a new apartment with just a [TS]

  big ipad in front of me doing the [TS]

  drawings that way [TS]

  yeah I sure can see that as as the [TS]

  future and the alternative to doing it [TS]

  on my big computer you'd still probably [TS]

  be using final cut tho to put it [TS]

  together in the same way that you happy [TS]

  to use and will continue to use logic [TS]

  yeah that's exactly right like Final Cut [TS]

  final cut is a program I actually quite [TS]

  like and I'm always a little bit sad [TS]

  that i actually use Final Cut very [TS]

  little like what by when I do all the [TS]

  animations when the audio is all done [TS]

  it's just a matter of of like lining [TS]

  that stuff up and in final cut and I [TS]

  mean I you know I can do that in like an [TS]

  hour when all the the audio and [TS]

  animations are done so that like that is [TS]

  just the again getting back to it like [TS]

  this is the utility part like this is [TS]

  just a little grinding mechanical thing [TS]

  I guess lineup this this animation [TS]

  transition when I say this word but it's [TS]

  it's not the interesting and important [TS]

  work which is creating the illustrations [TS]

  in the first place which is also hugely [TS]

  time-consuming like that's that's what i [TS]

  mean by this new platform being [TS]

  interesting and the ipad pro as as being [TS]

  really a big enough screen to really [TS]

  make it feel like [TS]

  quite quite the working device you [TS]

  mentioned you want to get a big desk [TS]

  mhm now the ipad pro is smaller than [TS]

  your computer [TS]

  hmm so what is this desk is it going to [TS]

  be like some battle station with ipad [TS]

  mini [TS]

  these mounted into it or something like [TS]

  yeah is it a desk made out of your old [TS]

  iPad so you can just touch everything [TS]

  always okay okay so like you're joking [TS]

  Mike but ok so here's you here's the [TS]

  thing here's the thing right [TS]

  I forget you have you watched much Star [TS]

  Trek in your life mike i'm not i can [TS]

  remember and there you have it [TS]

  ok so longtime viewers of Star Trek will [TS]

  know this little bit of a cliché that [TS]

  they do on the show [TS]

  the captain will say something like oh [TS]

  we've flown into this new region of [TS]

  space and they'll tell some enson I need [TS]

  you to bring me all the research on [TS]

  everything we know about this sector of [TS]

  space that I'm prepared for whatever is [TS]

  coming up and so the instant goes away [TS]

  and then the answer will come back and [TS]

  because it's TV because they have to [TS]

  visually show you like oh boy look at [TS]

  all this work this person has done the [TS]

  answer will come back with what is the [TS]

  equivalent of like an arm full of iPad [TS]

  minis and it's just like you know why [TS]

  they're doing it on TV because they have [TS]

  to show it to you but it it does look [TS]

  kind of ridiculous when you think about [TS]

  it I was like do they need all of those [TS]

  ipads it is that like is that really [TS]

  necessary [TS]

  I'm sure given the amazing state of [TS]

  Technology everything this dude has [TS]

  looked up could fit on one ipad i like [TS]

  it's not really necessary and then [TS]

  they'll show the captain later on to [TS]

  indicate like oh boy look at all the [TS]

  work Janeway's been doing you know [TS]

  she'll be there and her hair will be [TS]

  like you know messed up because she's [TS]

  been working all night long and there [TS]

  will be in front of her on the desk 10 [TS]

  equivalent of ipads just strewn all over [TS]

  the place and so it's this visual image [TS]

  like look at all the work she's doing [TS]

  and it's sort of ridiculous but at the [TS]

  same time when I think about the future [TS]

  of computing and the future of how i'm [TS]

  doing my work I don't think that is [TS]

  actually a a crazy scenario because can [TS]

  I imagine and have I already done a [TS]

  couple of times [TS]

  yes sitting somewhere and i am using my [TS]

  iPad pro to take notes with my Apple [TS]

  pencil [TS]

  so I'm using it like a clipboard and [TS]

  then i'm watching something else on a [TS]

  separate screen or i'm reading something [TS]

  else on a separate screen [TS]

  I don't think it's actually a crazy [TS]

  scenario to have two devices being used [TS]

  side-by-side and I already see people do [TS]

  this like when i'm out of the cafes and [TS]

  I'm working I'm always fascinated by [TS]

  seeing what other people are doing I'm [TS]

  always very interested like what other [TS]

  equipment to people have how to other [TS]

  people you use stuff and the number of [TS]

  times I see people working on ipads or [TS]

  surfaces who are then also clearly using [TS]

  their iPhone or whatever phone they have [TS]

  as a secondary screen that's a nonzero [TS]

  use case i do it [TS]

  yeah so there you go so that like I [TS]

  think people like to laugh at that idea [TS]

  like how you're going to use two ipads [TS]

  at once like you lunatic like yeah but [TS]

  like you have to think of them not as [TS]

  iPads but as screens and screens that [TS]

  you can input into and that you can [TS]

  receive information from and if you're [TS]

  just thinking of that in an abstract way [TS]

  is that a crazy thing to want more of AI [TS]

  I don't think so at all and so what I've [TS]

  seen people sometimes in Star Trek like [TS]

  they will criticize the visual look of a [TS]

  captain sitting in front of a bunch of [TS]

  these little iPads is like but is that [TS]

  unreasonable [TS]

  I mean people have sat in front of desks [TS]

  with papers all over the desk each paper [TS]

  they want to be able to look at the same [TS]

  time so I'm not saying that we're like [TS]

  we're necessarily there now that this [TS]

  makes sense for a lot of people's work [TS]

  but I can say that thinking about the [TS]

  future of how i'm going to work and and [TS]

  what I might want to do like I can [TS]

  definitely see that that a a multiple [TS]

  flexible iOS screen-based workflow makes [TS]

  more sense than continuing to invest in [TS]

  the imac as the centerpiece of my [TS]

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  alright so one big change then and [TS]

  probably why you would want to have this [TS]

  ipad desk is because you are able to use [TS]

  the pencil like I just see that is [TS]

  something that is probably very [TS]

  important [TS]

  it's something that I know that we both [TS]

  really cared about so I'm interested in [TS]

  how that has come for you and working on [TS]

  your scripts and stuff [TS]

  yes because we were both very very [TS]

  cautious about the pencil before they [TS]

  cut into our actual hands and so now we [TS]

  have had it I've been using it for a [TS]

  little while and my review of the Apple [TS]

  pencil could be summarized in one word I [TS]

  say that the Apple pencil in the stylist [TS]

  world has risen to the Magnificent [TS]

  height of acceptable it is 100-percent [TS]

  acceptable for its intended purpose [TS]

  yeah which if you go back and you listen [TS]

  to our earlier podcast like we made [TS]

  offhand reference to previous styluses [TS]

  every other stylist has been just awful [TS]

  i mean frankly unacceptable if that is [TS]

  what they have all been they have all [TS]

  had some just deal-breaking flaw and [TS]

  I've seen lots of people saying like [TS]

  they think it's just amazing [TS]

  I i am not in the camp of someone who [TS]

  says it is amazing but I think that [TS]

  acceptability is super high praise in [TS]

  the stylus world in all honesty [TS]

  acceptable from you your standards of [TS]

  acceptable is probably the exact same [TS]

  standard of a bitch some people's [TS]

  amazing i think apple should make ads [TS]

  for their Apple pencil and they should [TS]

  just put on their acceptable [TS]

  cgpgrey right hello my name is gb gray [TS]

  and i'm here to tell you about the Apple [TS]

  pencil now I'm envisioning those posters [TS]

  they like to do where everything is all [TS]

  white all right so it's just a white [TS]

  background it's just the white pencil [TS]

  and the word acceptable cgpgrey Apple [TS]

  marketing department you can have that [TS]

  one if you want to run with it I'm [TS]

  perfectly fine using that as my review [TS]

  but on the block's guys yeah but yes [TS]

  so there are there are many things about [TS]

  it then I would like to be improved [TS]

  I I think largely that's the reason why [TS]

  i have it as acceptable is again the [TS]

  number of people who say that the [TS]

  latency is very very low i think those [TS]

  are crazy people who maybe don't play a [TS]

  lot of games or who aren't highly [TS]

  attuned to latency like when I'm when I [TS]

  am writing with it is very clearly a [TS]

  half maybe three-quarters of a letter [TS]

  behind what I am actually writing like [TS]

  it is noticeable but it is acceptable [TS]

  like it is within acceptable boundaries [TS]

  and quite frankly i am thrilled about [TS]

  that because it latency isn't a problem [TS]

  because it picks up everything which is [TS]

  not the case previously it doesn't [TS]

  matter what movement i make no matter [TS]

  how precise the Apple pencil gets it so [TS]

  i'm happy about being a little bit [TS]

  behind me so you also find it acceptable [TS]

  make almost definitely good i'm glad [TS]

  that you find it acceptable it does you [TS]

  know it is the closest representation of [TS]

  of looking like my handwriting on any [TS]

  computer i've ever used so what have you [TS]

  been using it for um I use it for taking [TS]

  some notes which i do hit here and there [TS]

  but more really more that the thing i [TS]

  love it the most for is operating iOS [TS]

  like a pen tablet [TS]

  mm-hmm and this is partly your fault why [TS]

  like so much anyway is because you have [TS]

  indoctrinated me into the wacom world [TS]

  who so now using a computer with a pen [TS]

  is what I like all I like that a lot [TS]

  like it's just so much more precise they [TS]

  can text selection and things like that [TS]

  just way better with the Apple pencil [TS]

  but I like just clicking around the [TS]

  interface it's very enjoyable to me i [TS]

  find it very pleasurable experience I [TS]

  like dragging things around with a [TS]

  pencil and you know I take some notes [TS]

  and do some doodles and stuff like that [TS]

  like the things that are intended to use [TS]

  it for the majority of the time it's [TS]

  just purely the way that i use iOS now [TS]

  we use my iPad like I just tap things [TS]

  with the pencil this is the thing that I [TS]

  have gotten into many an argument about [TS]

  both on the internet and with real [TS]

  people is I like iOS but i think that [TS]

  touch screens are fundamentally an organ [TS]

  omikami because if if you think about [TS]

  the position that you hold your hand in [TS]

  when you touch screen now so most people [TS]

  think i'm touching the screen and they [TS]

  imagine what they're doing is I is [TS]

  holding out there index finger right in [TS]

  front of them and pressing straight [TS]

  ahead of them but that's not what people [TS]

  do if you look at that because you have [TS]

  the ipad in front of you and so what'd [TS]

  you do to touch the screen very often as [TS]

  you have to spread out your hand and [TS]

  then hold it up in front of you in this [TS]

  in this kind of awkward position and I [TS]

  think it's a lot like when you have your [TS]

  hand on a mouse a lot of times you're [TS]

  holding your two fingers up above the [TS]

  buttons because you don't want to [TS]

  accidentally press them [TS]

  I just think there's something really [TS]

  under gunawan about that over the long [TS]

  run and holding a pencil in your hand or [TS]

  any pointing device is just so natural [TS]

  because then in order to have that the [TS]

  pencil tip hit the screen your hand is [TS]

  in front of you in a very natural [TS]

  position and so this is one of the few [TS]

  things that I continue to use stylist is [TS]

  for when long after I gave up trying to [TS]

  use them to write I still very often [TS]

  kept styluses around because i like to [TS]

  use them as pointing devices to hit [TS]

  targets on touchscreens see I never did [TS]

  that and I didn't like that because it [TS]

  just felt like I was holding somebody [TS]

  else's finger previously because it just [TS]

  didn't really add anything to the [TS]

  experience I mean it was like I was just [TS]

  using my mushy fat fingers to hit a [TS]

  mushy thing into the screen like it's [TS]

  not really useful look for me should [TS]

  have the Pacific the pencil is so [TS]

  precise and so accurate that I can hit [TS]

  everything I want to hit ya you're never [TS]

  going to miss something when you hit it [TS]

  with the pencil exactly that the only [TS]

  thing that i have noticed because I I i [TS]

  mean here's the thing the ipad pro in [TS]

  some ways has totally ruined me for all [TS]

  my other eye pads because i want to use [TS]

  the pencil on everything that I'm using [TS]

  to nap [TS]

  the gate right now i have to write I [TS]

  want to use it to hit touch targets say [TS]

  it was a thing I kept doing yesterday so [TS]

  i was using I wanted to be able to split [TS]

  screen that application because they [TS]

  needed to see two agencies appreciate a [TS]

  webpage but google sheets man why even [TS]

  bother like oh yeah those google docs [TS]

  they're great [TS]

  I'm so glad to open up the cortex show [TS]

  notes on them it's lovely every time so [TS]

  i had to use google sheets on my iPad [TS]

  and I had to look at something else on [TS]

  my iPhone because I was entering in some [TS]

  information and I kept tapping my iphone [TS]

  with the pencil [TS]

  yeah even though i know i know it [TS]

  doesn't work [TS]

  yeah but I kept doing it anyway I did [TS]

  that for the first time today a few [TS]

  hours ago my phone was on the desk i was [TS]

  using the ipad pro and I just very [TS]

  naturally took the pencil and went to [TS]

  swipe the lock screen open on the on the [TS]

  phone it's like oh right of course now [TS]

  it's not going to work and now i am sad [TS]

  it's a very natural tool that you want [TS]

  to use everywhere and I think it really [TS]

  it it makes navigating iOS a more easy [TS]

  and enjoyable experience than constantly [TS]

  trying to reach up in this awkward [TS]

  matter with your hand to hit the various [TS]

  touch targets i really do think that [TS]

  this is only more enjoyable people that [TS]

  use pen tablets i really do think that [TS]

  but I think once for me anyway i believe [TS]

  and i think you believe that if you are [TS]

  used to it it is just flat-out better [TS]

  but you need to click get over the [TS]

  initial hump until you do it doesn't [TS]

  feel better you so you really think that [TS]

  this is only because i have infected you [TS]

  with the tablet use on a computer that's [TS]

  what everyone at like bored with this [TS]

  yeah it's a you and I are just total [TS]

  freaks in this world and we will see in [TS]

  comments in the reddit that just [TS]

  everyone disagrees with us is that your [TS]

  is that your prediction that is my [TS]

  hypothesis but but I stand by the fact [TS]

  that if you can accept it and get used [TS]

  to it you will like it more than you did [TS]

  before but you need that I believe that [TS]

  there is a hump that you have to go over [TS]

  like I have this perfectly good finger [TS]

  why would I put something in my hand [TS]

  I hate that are given so much also do I [TS]

  but I had everybody said that people [TS]

  bring up like Oh Steve Jobs said you [TS]

  have ten perfectly good stylist is like [TS]

  no you don't you did not in your hands [TS]

  like this and it's not styluses it's not [TS]

  remotely the same the only thing i have [TS]

  noticed is that Apple has clearly built [TS]

  into the ipad the ability to know that [TS]

  it is the pencil and to ignore it in [TS]

  certain circumstances so at least in my [TS]

  own testing it is impossible to pull up [TS]

  control center or pull down notification [TS]

  center or anything of the split view [TS]

  start it doesn't work i can pull down [TS]

  the notification center i have done [TS]

  Notification Center but that was like [TS]

  randomly one time [TS]

  ok I I thought I was just being an idiot [TS]

  and i sat down i tried it for a while [TS]

  and then I came to the conclusion that [TS]

  Apple has programmed this to ignore the [TS]

  like the meta user interface this stuff [TS]

  that is not in the apps but that is over [TS]

  or outside of the apps so everything all [TS]

  the slide over stuff and any of the [TS]

  split view stuff it pretends like the [TS]

  pencil is not able to to register those [TS]

  those marks i think it's an interesting [TS]

  choice i don't think it's necessarily [TS]

  the the wrong choice but it is notable [TS]

  when you get used to manipulating the [TS]

  interface with a pencil that there are [TS]

  these couple things that it just won't [TS]

  let you do even though it obviously [TS]

  knows you're touching the screen [TS]

  I think I'm okay with it like it doesn't [TS]

  bother me i can see I don't know why you [TS]

  would make that decision by can see that [TS]

  you would if that makes sense like I [TS]

  don't know what your reasoning is like [TS]

  when it comes up you like all know we [TS]

  can't have the pencil operate those [TS]

  parts of the US but the fact that they [TS]

  that they say is built that way can kind [TS]

  of make some with sense to me that I can [TS]

  explain [TS]

  yeah I i think it is not unreasonable [TS]

  decision to make because you might be [TS]

  using the pencil in a drawing app and [TS]

  come up against the edge a lot and so [TS]

  they want to ignore edge input like I [TS]

  think that's not unreasonable [TS]

  yeah like if you want to draw a line [TS]

  from the edge right you would but you [TS]

  can't do it anywhere like us you know [TS]

  you're gonna pull down the notifications [TS]

  after yeah there are ya there are these [TS]

  are these funny things with the edge [TS]

  swipe gestures now that sometimes make [TS]

  some apps [TS]

  particularly infuriating think I use I [TS]

  use I books to read all my books now and [TS]

  I don't know any way to try to get slide [TS]

  over or split view to happen while [TS]

  you're using a book that doesn't also [TS]

  turn the page of the book it's [TS]

  impossible to do i SAT there for a while [TS]

  like okay I'm going to slide over I [TS]

  messages without turning a page in my [TS]

  book like there must be a way to do it [TS]

  and like now is no way to do this [TS]

  because they just don't understand what [TS]

  you're trying to do from the edge of the [TS]

  screen there's a few apps that are like [TS]

  that have edged gestures now which are a [TS]

  little bit frustrating into iOS but it's [TS]

  a small price to pay [TS]

  so DG use the pencil for marking up [TS]

  scripts because i know that was one of [TS]

  your big designers for ya so getting [TS]

  back to the getting back to the pencil [TS]

  the reason why I can say it is [TS]

  acceptable is that this allows me to do [TS]

  the thing that I wanted to do that i [TS]

  have tried to do with limited success in [TS]

  past years which is that i can now mark [TS]

  up scripts just like I had printed them [TS]

  off from a printer and was using a real [TS]

  pen and it is not an exaggeration to say [TS]

  that this is just a game-changing for me [TS]

  the ability to do this so I'll just [TS]

  described briefly like what what I'm [TS]

  doing and I can actually just as i can i [TS]

  can share some of this with that [TS]

  listeners if anyone wants to try it I [TS]

  was trying to figure out how to generate [TS]

  a PDF with custom formatting on iOS i [TS]

  was messing around for a while I was [TS]

  trying to figure out like how can I do [TS]

  this how can i do this i have these [TS]

  markdown files that i want to turn into [TS]

  pdfs but i need custom formatting I [TS]

  can't figure it out [TS]

  so of course i asked the master the [TS]

  teaching and within two seconds he was [TS]

  like oh here's the thing that you can do [TS]

  like oh thank you [TS]

  so he sent me a little workflow in [TS]

  editorial which I've been modified for [TS]

  my own purposes and i realize i can [TS]

  share the link so people want to check [TS]

  it out or try it they can they can do [TS]

  with themselves so all of my scripts are [TS]

  synchronized through dropbox so i can [TS]

  open up editorial which has access to [TS]

  the current scripts that i'm working on [TS]

  press this little button to invoke the [TS]

  custom workflow and it spits out a PDF [TS]

  of what i want to work [TS]

  on and the key thing here is that it it [TS]

  triple spaces the words and it makes the [TS]

  text really big so i end up with this [TS]

  this PDF where there's a lot of space [TS]

  that's the gate so i don't know what [TS]

  your problem is but now i get its this [TS]

  with format you have to do there are [TS]

  plenty there are plenty of apps that [TS]

  will just convert mark down into a PDF [TS]

  but the key is I want lots of space to [TS]

  write and actually like let me I'll send [TS]

  you a link here let me show you you'll [TS]

  have to keep the secret because this is [TS]

  a currently in work projects so I i have [TS]

  sent Mike so he can see an example of a [TS]

  script that I marked up recently using [TS]

  this method where I've created a PDF and [TS]

  then i can write on top of it with the [TS]

  Apple pencil but you listener it can go [TS]

  and if you just take a look at that old [TS]

  blog post that I wrote called iteration [TS]

  which talked about some of the working [TS]

  process you can see basically what I'm [TS]

  doing there [TS]

  although then I did it on paper but I'm [TS]

  telling you the ability to at any moment [TS]

  make this PDF from any of my scripts and [TS]

  work on it in this editing fashion where [TS]

  I'm striking out lines where I'm able to [TS]

  make little notes it makes such a huge [TS]

  difference [TS]

  so on this trip and I took a couple of [TS]

  trains and I took a couple of flights [TS]

  and on on both of these on trains and on [TS]

  planes i was able to make these pdfs and [TS]

  in like a plane you're sitting in a not [TS]

  super comfortable seat like there are [TS]

  people around you it's a bad time to [TS]

  pull out your mac pro and try to type [TS]

  away in a script like there's nothing [TS]

  about that that's conducive to this but [TS]

  i found with the ipad pro and with the [TS]

  pencil i could edit and make notes [TS]

  really easily and comfortably in my lap [TS]

  on a train or on a plane in a way that I [TS]

  would never have worked on a script like [TS]

  that in the past but now it's like boom [TS]

  i can just do it at any point and i love [TS]

  it i absolutely love being able to work [TS]

  like this [TS]

  I can see it in the work right like an [TS]

  looking at what you're doing here i can [TS]

  see why it's so beneficial to you to be [TS]

  able to do that [TS]

  like this is I can see why this is such [TS]

  an important tool the kids not only you [TS]

  able to make all those notes and to make [TS]

  them in a fantastically easy way right [TS]

  you just bring on the actual notes [TS]

  themselves that are on the screen [TS]

  who nothing is printed nothing scanned [TS]

  it's all there digitally it's all saved [TS]

  everywhere it's like the ideal i used to [TS]

  only print out scripts on paper when I [TS]

  was kind of stuck with a script that was [TS]

  always aware that this was a tool that [TS]

  if I'm having a hard time with the [TS]

  script printing it out and working on it [TS]

  in pen and paper is a helpful thing to [TS]

  unstick it because I think about my [TS]

  writing has these two phases where it's [TS]

  like if I am typing a script at a [TS]

  computer or I'm doing the thing where [TS]

  I'm talking it out loud but i'm also on [TS]

  the computer i'm in a kind of growing [TS]

  phase i'm usually adding things to the [TS]

  script like it's very easy when you're [TS]

  typing to add more but editing is the [TS]

  exact reverse we're doing this thing [TS]

  where it's a PDF and I'm making notes on [TS]

  it it's way easier here to cut things [TS]

  and so when I was stuck on scripts [TS]

  printing them out and working on them [TS]

  like this it made it more obvious [TS]

  sections that needed to be cut like okay [TS]

  this is bloated this is bloated like [TS]

  just cross it all out scribble it all [TS]

  out get rid of its garbage and now i [TS]

  have i have really worked it into my [TS]

  workflow that like because i don't have [TS]

  the hassle of printing and scanning and [TS]

  doing all this crap like it's just right [TS]

  here I have done so much more of this [TS]

  editing on scripts than ever before and [TS]

  I just love having it as an optional way [TS]

  to work and it's also just a much lower [TS]

  barrier to work like it's easier to do [TS]

  this [TS]

  editing on a script then it is to do the [TS]

  thing where I want to talk out loud [TS]

  because first of all I need to be in the [TS]

  environment where i can do it this kind [TS]

  of thing like I'm on a plane I have an [TS]

  hour like boom I can make this PDF and I [TS]

  can work on it it's just it's just [TS]

  perfect for me i absolutely love it so [TS]

  the pencil has immediately immediately [TS]

  become and [TS]

  irreplaceable tool for the kind of work [TS]

  that I do it's just astounding I presume [TS]

  that you're using it to color in that's [TS]

  what you're doing your coloring books [TS]

  no because for some insane reason nobody [TS]

  has made a good coloring appiah money on [TS]

  the table people i'm lying on the table [TS]

  I like petitioning some friends like [TS]

  that Allah like this will make you [TS]

  millions of dollars and i understand [TS]

  that purchases for books and oh but they [TS]

  just won't listen to me but yeah so I [TS]

  don't know from it for me like i said [TS]

  this pencil absolutely vital and so now [TS]

  i am just terrified that i'm going to [TS]

  lose it because it's two things like [TS]

  this massive about if I no delays for [TS]

  the shipping like I went to look online [TS]

  the other day and still like 4-5 weeks [TS]

  for shipping and so I am just constantly [TS]

  focused on where is it do I have it like [TS]

  every time I move i have to make sure [TS]

  that I don't love it lose it because if [TS]

  I lost it now i will I would be crushed [TS]

  I i would be one of these people paying [TS]

  scalpers anything on ebay to get it back [TS]

  like someone selling one on ebay for [TS]

  twice as much great here you got to take [TS]

  my money like I need it now because this [TS]

  is just part of my workflow immediately [TS]

  but I bolt a pen loop that I have stuck [TS]

  to my ipad pro even so it has somewhere [TS]

  to live [TS]

  so I don't lose it we're getting into [TS]

  we're getting into the lucrative pencil [TS]

  accessory market very soon I imagine [TS]

  oh yeah yep i also bought a little a [TS]

  clip that goes on a pan called official [TS]

  span it's not very elegant clip is way [TS]

  too small it looks kind of jokey but it [TS]

  stops it from moving [TS]

  i sent you a picture my one complaint [TS]

  about the pencil or by Jeff I'm gonna [TS]

  have a long list of complaints but [TS]

  that's not for today conditions [TS]

  acceptable but i find it too slippery [TS]

  and so I i am indeed i have one of these [TS]

  little pencil grips like i used to use [TS]

  in kindergarten attached to my Apple [TS]

  pencil and I've been trying out a few of [TS]

  them i've also been like I'm trying to [TS]

  sometimes use the pencil without it [TS]

  because i would really prefer not to but [TS]

  I do find like if I am right [TS]

  in for an hour my hand kind of keeps [TS]

  slipping towards the front of the pencil [TS]

  like it's a little too slippery for me [TS]

  so I do need a grip on it but happy I [TS]

  feel like I'm in kindergarten like oh [TS]

  hello triangular pencil grip like we [TS]

  meet again [TS]

  I thought we could I thought I left you [TS]

  in my path but no yeah it does make me [TS]

  wonder like I had a little bit of a [TS]

  thought which is an apple watch edition [TS]

  version of the pencil in the future [TS]

  yeah I've already suspect this out by [TS]

  the way if Apple made something like [TS]

  this I would be willing to spend a not [TS]

  insubstantial amount of money for [TS]

  something that made this feel like one [TS]

  of the mechanical pencils i used to use [TS]

  doing physics back in college [TS]

  Apple there's there's no speaking of [TS]

  money on the table like there's money on [TS]

  the table here because we already know [TS]

  there's a high-end pen market out there [TS]

  and I just I wonder if this is something [TS]

  Tim Cook seems to love his margins on [TS]

  products like i wonder if there's [TS]

  something like this in the back of their [TS]

  mind for for version two of the pencil [TS]

  but what if you suspect out like so you [TS]

  could very easily make something that [TS]

  costs what you would sell for five [TS]

  hundred dollars and make it out of [TS]

  materials that a usual in the world that [TS]

  I frequent so in my mind this would be [TS]

  aluminium mm because then it fits of [TS]

  apple products which should be any way [TS]

  that is the thing that I absolutely hate [TS]

  it I hate the whiteness of it yeah i [TS]

  look like i knew i wouldn't like it and [TS]

  using it in person in the real world [TS]

  I loathe the whiteness of it is too [TS]

  conspicuous and to solve your grip [TS]

  problem and also to fit with the design [TS]

  aesthetic aluminium they would know the [TS]

  grip be familiar with Nolan gray like [TS]

  I'm thinking about the old mechanical [TS]

  pencils that I used to use in college [TS]

  and I'm thinking this is like that [TS]

  cross-hatching you get around the place [TS]

  where you're gripping it like [TS]

  that'sthat's what you're talking about [TS]

  schooled knowing ya ok darling [TS]

  so they would do that to that to the [TS]

  grip section yep i think they could put [TS]

  a nice clip on it i think that would be [TS]

  really nice to people can clip it into [TS]

  their pockets more than anything like [TS]

  it's not necessarily about the moving [TS]

  thing although that is a thing for me [TS]

  and something i would really like to see [TS]

  them do in a very elegant way which is [TS]

  definitely [TS]

  possible is a retractable lightning [TS]

  lightning plug or whatever you call it [TS]

  know you could do it [TS]

  ok ok Mike Mike you could [TS]

  ok I understand you want like a little [TS]

  quickie thing at the end where the [TS]

  Lightning port comes out right [TS]

  I imagine a twisting mechanism ok or [TS]

  twisting mechanism whatever you know [TS]

  everyone who uses pens is familiar with [TS]

  this right-click on the end or something [TS]

  if there's one thing we know about Apple [TS]

  is that they hate moving parts that they [TS]

  have a war against moving parts and so [TS]

  there's no way there's no way they're [TS]

  going to have anything like a [TS]

  retractable like everyone says this to [TS]

  me that I say this too and I understand [TS]

  why people feel this way but trust me if [TS]

  you like it's this high-end feel there [TS]

  are a couple of fountain pens that [TS]

  exists that kind of do this type of [TS]

  thing and you can it really feels [TS]

  incredible late that you twist something [TS]

  or you click something and then the the [TS]

  Lightning port would pop out the top i [TS]

  would very much like that but i can see [TS]

  why so many people wouldn't like that my [TS]

  aunt might not do it but that is of the [TS]

  things that I think they could make that [TS]

  is the least important of that scenario [TS]

  it's really it's the making out of [TS]

  aluminium which is that the key part of [TS]

  it and just making a real nice finish on [TS]

  it then I think you don't think that'd [TS]

  be set at that point and you could sell [TS]

  that thing for four or five hundred [TS]

  dollars you just gotta wait it really [TS]

  nicely like they did a good job at the [TS]

  waiting we just pay a lot of attention [TS]

  to the way that is weighted and they [TS]

  would let you know that would be the [TS]

  basis for people like you and me [TS]

  yeah i would i would 500 and 500 seems a [TS]

  lot but when I considering something [TS]

  that would be a tool that I would use [TS]

  everyday when I mean like since i got [TS]

  the Apple pencil i have used it every [TS]

  day intensely for writing for an hour [TS]

  two hours and then i'm using it in [TS]

  additionally to navigate the interface [TS]

  for the rest of the day I know why 500 [TS]

  sounds a lot but i'm basing it on the [TS]

  pen world i have pens made of acrylic [TS]

  that cost four hundred dollars [TS]

  yes this is the thing where I'm just I'm [TS]

  just not familiar with this [TS]

  and whereas when apple released their [TS]

  their pricing for the app [TS]

  watch like I am dimly aware of the [TS]

  high-end watch world and so when they [TS]

  announced their prices for the Apple [TS]

  watch I was like yeah it's a lot but [TS]

  it's not it's not like a crazy number in [TS]

  the in the high-end watch world and i'm [TS]

  just not familiar with like what-what [TS]

  are super high-end pens and pencils like [TS]

  what do they go for I don't smell super [TS]

  high-end okay.what okay.what super [TS]

  high-end pencil a pencil or pen rai been [TS]

  super high in penn you for you'd be [TS]

  looking for figures or maybe like [TS]

  clothes tools that like the nine 800-900 [TS]

  mark the most expensive pen my own cost [TS]

  about six hundred dollars very easy to [TS]

  get there [TS]

  well i guess for people who want to know [TS]

  the details of how you get there you [TS]

  have a podcast we should go listen to [TS]

  which is the pen addict [TS]

  yes they should this this is this [TS]

  specific plan that was custom made it [TS]

  was like so expensive I even picked out [TS]

  and sourced the material great i'm sure [TS]

  i'm sure you had some organic free-range [TS]

  bamboo or something that you had your [TS]

  super high-end pen made out of that [TS]

  sounds like what you do it's a material [TS]

  called to boldy what is the body just [TS]

  google it [TS]

  just google to bowl deep n t iba ldi [TS]

  yeah i am not able to tell what this [TS]

  material is by looking at it is in a [TS]

  crazed an acrylic like material [TS]

  ok and it is stunning [TS]

  it is absolutely stunning and it's so [TS]

  difficult to photograph because the [TS]

  beauty in it is all in the way that the [TS]

  lights hit spoken like a man who runs [TS]

  the pen podcast we're looking at these [TS]

  pictures and I couldn't tell the [TS]

  difference from plastic from the photos [TS]

  like I was a plastic I like this picture [TS]

  that i found hear of someone who has a [TS]

  pen that matches their Bentley this is [TS]

  like a place in there Bentley car for [TS]

  this matching pen [TS]

  I'm sure you've already seen this [TS]

  ridiculous photo i look at that so i [TS]

  guess like this is this is just a thing [TS]

  that exists in the luxury world this is [TS]

  you want to have a you want to have a [TS]

  thousand-dollar pen that matches the [TS]

  interior of your car perfectly [TS]

  this is the kind of thing that you can [TS]

  do [TS]

  if I as high and cars would be that one [TS]

  you really into these bends Mike I [TS]

  really am yes I've opened opened a [TS]

  terrible door by bringing it up on that [TS]

  like that like that have time to close [TS]

  it before we lose all of our sins if you [TS]

  have but if you are at all interested if [TS]

  there is a weekly podcast which has been [TS]

  going on for over three years we are and [TS]

  we're approaching episode 208 scorp an [TS]

  addict and we talk about this stuff [TS]

  every single week and lots of people [TS]

  listen to it can't believe with weekly [TS]