00:00:00 ◼ ► so Mike can you explain beard oil to me I can try I noticed a new trend in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/0">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► red which i'm kind of I'm I'm really proud of people have identified me as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/10">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► hipster now it's not something that concerns me because I i self-identify in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/16">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► some ways to have hit two tendencies my music pitchfork festival you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/21">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► is no secret I think if we go back to maybe the second or third episode you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/29">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► self-identify as a hipster is not like a secret what's really happening is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/33">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► people have been listening long enough that they feel that they can openly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/37">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► tease you about it in the red that's what's happening so people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/41">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► mentioning bid oil in the red as a as a joke and I let people know that I used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/45">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► my beard yes and then I was deeply confused because I thought beard oil was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/51">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► the joke that oh mike is mike is such a hipster that like an eighteenth-century [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/58">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► gentleman he is shining up his beard with some kind of beer Doyle that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/64">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► obviously no modern person would use so that's why when you jumped in and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/69">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► oh yes I do use beard while I was confused I just think it can't possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/72">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► be what I have in my mind so I need to know what it really is it is oil spray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/79">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► into my hand from a little container and then rub it on my beard to make my bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/87">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► soft and shiny although I actually use a combination of beard moisturizing oil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/92">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► together and i mix them up in my hands and then my face I have in some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/102">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► meetings that mean you've had i've been freshly moisturised oil the morning ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/107">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► ok so I'm thinking I'm thinking this is like shampoo and conditioner for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/114">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► hair but it sounds like not because you wouldn't wash it out in the shower now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/119">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► it is meant to be put on off the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/124">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► some people use be at shampoo I don't do that just use regular shampoo for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/126">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► beard only when it's super super long but not right now is too short now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/133">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► gonna be messing with the pH balance you don't think about these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/140">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► okay okay so it's it's I'm driving this way it's like my face moisturizer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/143">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► forbearance and your beard hair needs this because beard hair is rougher than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/151">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► head hair is that is that why this is a yeah you've got to take care of it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/156">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► you want to look good as it would just get electricity and dry clean and do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/160">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► put anything in your head you use any kind of hair product now nothing no ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/165">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► well you know you know that people do right in the world like they put yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/171">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► also currently great I using a sea salt spray in my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/177">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► that's my current have provided I enjoy the sea spray ok this is true I I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/184">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► accepted as true I don't know anymore what things you make up and what things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/197">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► you don't it's all just it's all just true hipster stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/202">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► the way that it sounds I went to my body yesterday this is not a sponsorship or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/205">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► promotion but I really like my barber its chain London Murdoch and go there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/213">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► and go in and I see the guys that cuts and it looks like an old like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/219">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► an all-star barbershop go there and they give me whiskey if I want it or beer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/226">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► I go and get my haircut on the guy and then I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/231">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► occur hot towel on the face kind of scenario and shape of the cut-throat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/235">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► razor its my pampering it's it's an ongoing get a little fancy coffee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/240">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► afterwards as my life's great the joke in the reddit we're all the cortex cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/245">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► kids hang out what is that relay desperately needs a podcast called beard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/253">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► with Mike and some other hipster close to me like this is just inevitable now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/258">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► that within the year there's going to be a beard podcast there's a pen podcast so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/264">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► I don't see why there can't be cured podcast on relay my only concern with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/270">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► these people tend not to like it gets too long and if I had appeared podcast I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/274">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► would grow my beard very long as I I am happiest when my beard is big but most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/279">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► people in my life tend not to like that yeah I've seen you with a beard that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/285">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► what I would think of as far too big but you seem like a happy guy you saw me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/289">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► before the day before I went to get my beard cut last time it was it was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/294">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► animal living inside there at one point it was a it was a bit much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/299">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► gets to slickly transition things are you going to get your beard nicely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/305">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► trimmed and done up are you going to go to you our little spot somewhere to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/310">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► all pampered before your talk at the release notes conference that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/315">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► exactly what I did yesterday going away on Tuesday so you have a mic right now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/321">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► get nervous big talk here the keynote speaker at this conference that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/331">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► coming up I'm trying to imagine myself doing well trying to just implant that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/337">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► thought into my brain of me being on stage doing really really well but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/347">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► a little bit nerve-wracking I feel prepared not as prepared as it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/353">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► but I still have more time but I feel pretty prepared I put that all together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/356">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► using it are presented it to my girlfriend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► who is provides good criticism where where needed she'd just hide behind us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/364">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► stuff so I feel I feel like I'm ironing out some kinks yeah it should be fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/369">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► this is being recorded before hands and then we will see how it goes after hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/374">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► on the next episode of court time yes and because podcast exists in this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/382">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► our time at some point in the future when both episodes around people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/392">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► listening to this episode right now can just jump to the next episode to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/396">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► that they want like time travel in the worst possible way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/401">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► yeah in in a totally ineffective you can't bet on anything kind of way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/405">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► I'm I'm gonna bet on you doing well Mike but we'll find out I appreciate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/410">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► thank you to you finally found a good use for mine that I don't know if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/413">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► would say that I have found a good use for my maps because I don't use my maps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/418">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► but there was a thing that happened on Twitter which I would classify as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/423">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► mindmap follow-up that I was really enjoying I don't remember exactly who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/428">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► started it but someone made a mind map showing the connection of all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/433">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► various hosts in a corner of the podcast universe and I thought oh this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/441">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► thing that I find really interesting and I wanted to encourage it so i retweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/447">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► it and then over the next few hours we were getting several different versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/451">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► of people intensely trying to mind map out show all of the connections in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/455">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► greater podcast universe and I found this this thing just delightful I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/461">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► how you say hours this lasted four days ahead it sometimes they don't go on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/466">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► know I was getting these days and days as people 101 up themselves to this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/473">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► that you've picked out the shona which is just ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/480">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► open this up now so I can look at it because at least the last time I looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/486">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► I thought this was probably the best one because trying to mind map out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/490">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► is a is a challenge in information display yeah how can you do it so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/497">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► it is comprehensible and that it is follow Apple and also comprehensive it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/503">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► not an easy thing to do and this one I think achieved a nice balance of having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/508">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► lots and lots of podcast to look at and also being relatively clear to actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/515">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► look at this is by follow on Twitter I like this quite a lot although the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/520">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► thing I was thinking about what these mind maps as you do have a bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/525">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► problem of whether or not you should count hosts or guests on show my feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/528">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► is that the only way to make it sensible is to talk about permanent hosts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/536">TS</a>]
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00:09:09 ◼ ► get into the question of what is a host what's a permanent person on a show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/549">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► at the center of this mind map is the incomparable radio theatre which the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/553">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► alleged cheating a little bit to me because it doesn't exactly have hosts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/559">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► its like an old timey radio show that draws from a lot of different places so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/563">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► it is rather relatively super connected in the center but I'm I'm on the edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/567">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► about whether or not all those connections should counts by for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/572">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► I'm connected to the rate is it and I'm I'm in it but not credited oh really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/576">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► yeah I have a couple of like any random lines here and there I prefer something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/580">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► more fun i think im going to be reprising my role is now an soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/587">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► oh wow that's very exciting background person number for yes I highly encourage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/593">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► these podcasting mind map now the thing that's encourage them to to end now I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/603">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► overthrew Mike I want to take this year's we're going to take this and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/612">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► think you're gonna like it you're gonna like it but this makes me think of is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/616">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► six degrees of Kevin Bacon about the connections between all of these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/622">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► who are hosting various shows like this what I want when I want is someone to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/628">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► a six degrees of Mike Hurley database I think you are a good person to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/634">TS</a>]
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00:10:54 ◼ ► highly connected six degrees of Kevin Bacon works because kevin bacon in is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/654">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► not like is not the hugest super star of the movie world like it's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/661">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► how connected Kevin Bacon is and so I think it was six degrees of ira glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/666">TS</a>]
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00:14:06 ◼ ► talking about like two pieces smash into each other inside ok I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/846">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► kind of made of gears Mac you're using over there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/851">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► steampunk but several of the max I have owned I noticed they all make this sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/854">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► when they get into a state where it's frozen there's nothing you can do except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/863">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► hold down the power button and it's a sound like I think it is designed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/866">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► sound like you have wounded animal because Apple doesn't want you to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/871">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► very often I swear that they have engineered it on purpose because I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/875">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► bad everytime I do it as like runaway don't feel bad this is an inanimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/879">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► object but it still at that leads into that part of your brain but the long and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/882">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► the short of it is I had what I believe is an HFS plus error totally true in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/887">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► main computer and so right now I'm talking to you on my little laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/896">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► because it is a working computer that I happened to have but yes it is a a tale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/901">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► of woe about what happened to me and my computer one day when I was just minding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/907">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► my own business do you have plans in place to deal with these such things do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/912">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► you have a backup plans or do you just be like that now then no more work well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/917">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► this is exactly the case of two is one in one is none because my life now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/922">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► requires that I have access to a working computer and I have always been aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/929">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► that having the laptop in my coworking space acts as an emergency backup to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/935">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► main computer in my house should anything happen to it and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/941">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► exactly what has been the case that I'm talking to you right now the laptop is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/946">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► on the table and I have the big dead black screen behind that likes looming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/951">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► over the laptop screen looking at me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/956">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► so it this is exactly what this moment is planned for end and this this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/960">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► that you can do where you kind of shuffle down hardware into other uses as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/968">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► you acquire new hardware this is the moment that pays off when the newest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/974">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► version breaks because you have a fallback and even fill in for him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/977">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► give barbaric trying to work and do the podcast stuff on this laptop because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/982">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► screen just seems unusually small for all of the stuff that I'm used to when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/987">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► I'm doing a podcast it is accomplished able though I've recorded an episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/991">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► hello internet on that recording on cortex now and I'm going to be short the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/996">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► recording hello internet again and it doesn't interrupts the workflow because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/999">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► the big computer if that was my only computer it would be a real problem this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► week to not have it available but we just wouldn't be able to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► yeah that's what that's what I mean we have to like run out and just spend some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► time getting and setting up a brand new Mac and even though the thing broke I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► just haven't had time to be able to dedicate to try to fix it because other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► things need to happen like shows are scheduled projects are due like things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► need to keep moving and for the time being I just need to grab the laptop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► yeah I have ordered avoided a new computer because in some ways this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► disaster couldn't have happened at a better time because it happened on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► Friday I think and they were rumors on the wind that Apple was going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► announcements early in the week about new iMac computers available and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► ok well I don't really have time to fix this right now I might as well wait and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► just see and of course they did come out with new iMacs right time to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► right away so I have one being shipped to me as we speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► did you lose any data ok so here's the thing that needs little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► explaining I mentioned before that I believe I had with HFS plus they're on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► the computer I'm gonna talk about HIV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► + briefly I'm gonna let you might find all of the shows where John Siracusa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► talks about HFS plus and what is terrible about it in vastly better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► detail that I am going to describe here the people who want to check that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► can go find it in the show notes but very briefly there's this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► problem that can happen on a computer where if you think about it there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► three parts to using a computer there's the program that you're using there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► the operating system and there's the physical hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► upon which the data is stored and so that's how you doing something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► you're editing a picture and you say that this picture I'm going to make some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► changes minute change the contrast in the color and you click Save and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► happens then is the program tell the operating system I'm saving this file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► and the operating system tells the hard drive right down this information that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► has changed and hard drive is supposed to do that perfectly fine the way Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► happens to structure their operating system is that there is not an extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► layer of check here so what happens is when the operating system says write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► down this series of numbers hard drive and the hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► writes down those series of numbers there's no moment where the operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► system does what any person trying to say read a credit card number over a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► telephone line would do which is asked the hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► hey could you read back those numbers so that I can check with the photo editing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► program that the numbers were the same could you read that back just once and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► don't worry about the noise in the background that won't affect anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► yet exactly and when you consider that over the lifetime of the computer it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► not improbable that you have written trillions of ones and zeros to the hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► drive and has to get it right every single time without checking it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► to get it wrong at some point so I had an error pop up on my computer where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► basically said hey the number of files that we expect to be in this folder is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► not the number of files that are in this folder and so I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► oh that's an HFS plus error and looking back on it the thing that i mentioned in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► the previous podcast about iTunes not having anything in its folder that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► probably a sign that there was something screwed up with HFS plus file system on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► my computer right that's exactly the kind of thing that you would expect if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► the hard drive is making mistakes writing down what the operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► is telling it to do yes when you just made that big sounded like that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► exactly the sound I made when I first discovered this error was occurring so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► the reason the reason that I tell this long story is so that you dear listener [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► can understand that there's a kind of error that can happen where it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► obvious for a long time that an error has happened because it's not until you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► go look at your files and try to open them but you will discover that the hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► drive didn't write things down correctly the first time and either the file is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► not open a bowl or something and it has been destroyed and had a couple the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► little areas like that happen on my computer I went to open a file and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► would just not open huh so I should have noticed this sooner now the terrifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► thing mike is I have depending on how you want it counted quadruple or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► quintuple backup systems in place for the data that I use I have various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► offline backup systems I have various local backup systems but when in HFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► plus error occurs it I get spread out and corrupts all of the possible backups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► that exists so the answer to your question did I lose data is yes but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► don't know how much and there is no way to resolve this problem so I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► excluding iTunes the whole thing that I lost I found two things that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► definitely corrupted by HFS plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► which were not able to be recovered from backup because the backups just copy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► corrupted version and it was I wasn't able to go back and back in time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► enough to get an uncorrupted version because that's what happens but this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► not the backup software spot like nobody has any way to know that these areas are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► there and so they're just like ok I'm just copying the data to do all of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► could be fixed if Apple changed the way the structure writing data to hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► drives and the system is very old and every year I hope that they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► change this but it hasn't happened so far so the answer is I may have huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► amounts of data that are corrupted and I just don't know but I have found two big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► things so far that have been lost and it's like oh god this is this is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► to be fun over the next six months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► slowly learning what things have been corrupted and what things haven't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► seeing if I have an old backup somewhere of the encrypted thing so like Time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► Machine or Dropbox version can't help or can they help leaders don't know so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► by the time that you get to it might be too late by the time I get to it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► might be too late but you may ask yourself why would have men have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► quintupled the redundant backup systems why it seems like it's too many and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1435">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► answer is in my experience when one thing goes wrong you're almost always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► guaranteed that something else has gone wrong at the same time and the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► that went wrong for me here is that my Time Machine when this happened was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► yet complete it had done one of these things like it started over and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► in the middle of trying to rights several terabytes of data brand new to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► time machine drive and I didn't know that it hadn't caught up that it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► fully in place so the very day that my computer goes down is the same day that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► I realize I don't have a complete Time Machine backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► so anyway that's my long story about I don't know if I've lost data or not we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► will see isn't it though and there's nothing you can do about it so I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1495">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► YouTube yes yes cause access to YouTube channel some people like this shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► there is also good for people to find the show as well you had previously been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► home to YouTube channel but as was agreed of us you handed over the keys to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► me after doing a couple of them and you create a tutorial video for me so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► could understand what I needed to do I don't think there's anything about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► process that I like so first off I had to buy final cut pro but she's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► actual creation in the videos is mostly fine but final cut produces ungodly file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► sizes I don't know what it's doing to create the file size is that it created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► the project files like a good gillian terabytes it's ridiculous that just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► large that this is an audio file and and and have one screenshot just extended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► across the audio file but it's like 15 gigabytes and what do you do that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► funny thing to me because I was just working on the internet YouTube channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► earlier this morning and creating the next video for that because I do manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► to YouTube version of that for hello internet which is one of the reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► I was very happy to pass the court six channel onto you were first talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► about who would do what they're all these things are like you do that you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► do that I think every great for you to learn more about video don't you make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► great practice yeah exactly but so yeah I I made a video for the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► channel this morning and when I exported from Final Cut Pro it was thirty eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► gigabytes in size and I got a large but these I can understand it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► there's something moving on the screen but yes when you upload the ones for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► cortex and it pops out at fifteen gigabytes and it's a fun moving image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► maybe someone has an optimized the compression over there at Final Cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► headquarters that one of the things I did to get them down as I didn't go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► your crazy settings I just a great trip to screen calls on which is very helpful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► and in it you mentioned how much I do this case you really don't need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► that because I every time I was creating a video I had to delete things from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► hard drive this this is untenable so I'm not gonna do that how do you feel about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► the consistency of YouTube interface to enjoy the back end of that process of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► ripping all the switches to get it ready to go to YouTube interface is exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► what I imagined but ten times worse which is in some watches it is a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► which clearly things have just been bolted on overtime and every time they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► added a new feature they do not consider the other features that came before it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► so one of the things that exemplifies the most is the cards and annotations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► apps welcome welcome to YouTube make so I had heard you radio talk about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► stuff on her internet in the past I think when cards first came out and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► were doing tests right to see what worked and what didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► yes I cannot for the life of me understand why these are different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► my other two different things so for the listeners will mike is talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► here is on YouTube has a video creator you can create a section of the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► which is clickable for the user to listen to the latest show of cortex and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► there's a rectangle that overlays on the video that you can click on and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► person goes to the web page that you want to send them to but this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► where you draw little rectangle on the screen it only works on the desktop if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► you watch that video on your mobile device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► that rectangle it just doesn't work and for years and years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► YouTube creators were asking YouTube hey can you make annotations work on mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► because mobile is now a half the traffic of YouTube it's it's just enormous so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► you look dominant video when you tell people to click on something and half of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► them are watching on an iPhone and there's no way for them to click on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► sounds stupid click this below heads nothing's nothing very you to be things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► people say click on my face right and and go to the thing but ok but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► nothing that you can do but so rather than make annotations work on YouTube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► there were there were whispers on the wind for quite a while that for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► reason YouTube had decided that they were never going to do this they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► never going to make annotations work so they introduced this entire parallel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► system called cards which works on mobile and on the desktop and which it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► so hard to even describe what it does but it it pops up like a little button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► on the top in the same place every time on the video that someone can click on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► if they're on the desktop or a tap on if they're on their mobile device and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► go to the link between the two step process you have to click on the button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► and then you have to click on the link that opens up on the side I think are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► done terribly but the bottom line is if you are a modern YouTube creator you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► have to do both of these things if you want to know that everybody can click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► most conveniently on a thing on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► you are you dear Mike are enjoying this now but having to do with seems like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► should be only doing one thing but you end up doing two things and one that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► like this is this is a solution to the problem that creates another problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1855">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► it's not actually solution it's just a thing that create more problems because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► talk about both it just doesn't make a sad over that because you can't put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► cards like in other places of screen like an annotation like a look at it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► I mean I don't understand about the engineering of their out but 10 is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► YouTube use of proprietary a proprietary video player Apps Standard AES player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► social apartments like what you just find a way to make it work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► yeah that's the whole thing it's not as though YouTube is using the default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► stuff on iOS to play videos and you get a reasonably of course you can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► annotations work then because you're using Apple stuff you know using your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► own thing we had the whole thing is customize their own they control every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► pixel on the screen is like you can't up on the card which is on the video so why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► can't and I actually got the card is on the video why can't the entities be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► there who knows but what i think is is interesting about you doing this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► you've never used YouTube before is what is this experience like for a new person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► I'm someone who's been doing you to 45 years and so I understand ok I get how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► we evolved to be here but how do you explain to the average person who just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► starts using YouTube for the first time why there are these two seemingly at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► first identical systems that are redundant and nowhere on the page does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► it explain the most relevant feature which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► annotations work on desktop only cards work on both but you probably don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► to use cards because almost nobody clicks on them that their click-through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► so there is no way I would have understood what to do without the video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1972">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► I seem that they have some kind of documentation but like on the face of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► the UI and most of the experience of uploading the videos to YouTube is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► system that you have to love but you cannot learn based on the user interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► to your provided right you have even have to be talk or you have to go for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► lot of trial and error and will probably I would have done is gone through a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► of trial and era I assume that that is what happens to the vast majority of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► users because on the flip side of this YouTube and she makes it really easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► just almost accidentally uploaded video and have it published immediately if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► that's the way that it is a kind of wants to go is like upload this video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► and have it published as soon as it's great to be published and go and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► you just learned through trial and error ok oh how do I set the title where to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► the descriptions go I want people to click on things that has to be with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► vast majority of users do is just do something wrong and then try to realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► what it is that you need to do but this is why you can see that I have just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► the Youtube upload process I think my checklist is 20 items about switches to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► flip and what box to fill in and what things that I want to put where every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► time I upload a YouTube video because it is ridiculously easy to forget some part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► of it or forget how some part of it works if you want to actually get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► right every time I've uploaded three videos now to YouTube and every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► I've done it following tutorial video cuz I just can't I can understand some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► of the things like you put the card in and Iniesta set the duration period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► doesn't make any sense like and then you have to start the the put the link and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► you want to verify and like this even parts of the interface IC is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► to the interface that you're showing me which makes 0 sense because it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► this is one of the other things that YouTube does which is ironic their a/b [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► testing or what but they often slowly rule out changes to different accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► and the recent and I might say disastrous update to the YouTube app on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► iOS was a great example of this where the app updated but lots of people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► still seeing the old interface and it's like YouTube is rolling this out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► stages and so you can as we have done this time very often run into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► situation where two people are logged into the same account but just on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► different computers and whatever the cookie is on one computer says the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► interface is going to be slightly different than what the person sees on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► oh ok that's super helpful for explaining stuff and then again I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► conceive of why YouTube does it that way but boy does it occasionally caused some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► problems like all the time I mean looks at the thing is the way that the aquatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2153">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► videos produced we want to make them in a specific way in a specific way has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► been set by the way that you wanted to be done so I guess I was starting from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► day one I wouldn't need to do it the way they're doing it and I could learn over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► time but my issue is like in trying to make a professional-looking video there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► is a ton of stuff that I need to do I just wouldn't be able to easily work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► my own and it's like the poor and the main problem is there is one company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► controlling this experience they can choose is not on organic thing is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► the way it is because that's just how it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► YouTube can make all of the changes that they want to make this experience better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► but instead they are massive company you have one team fight over cards one team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► final ever annotations yeah yeah this this is as a discussion for many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► who make a living on the internet this is the kind of problem that you run into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2215">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► when you are dependent on someone else's platform for your business and so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► are dependent on YouTube for your video business which you almost certainly are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► videos on the internet YouTube is the place where you can make some money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► doing this you just have to use their system and if you have an idea for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► better way for the stuff to be done well do you work at YouTube do you work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► relatively high up on youtube if the answer is no then there's nothing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► whereas I imagine someone in your position you probably have a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► control over whatever system it is that you are using for your backend for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► podcasts because podcasts are not a centralized medium in the way YouTube is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► yeah I am never loved content management system more then after a video to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► YouTube now CMS is not perfect there are bugs of the things that we would prefer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2274">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► but is there something I need to be changed we just pay are developed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► little bit of money anything changes and we've done that constantly we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► complete control over how are these are generally it how we publish our shows I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► can't imagine now all of my content being controlled so strictly by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► company that could make any change your decision that will affect my business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► like the more and more I know you the less I understand how you manage to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► with us like I just can't I just cannot understand how do you reconcile this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► your mind if I feel like it's like the the standby for flying things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► that that it's that part of your brain where it's like well you can accept that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► this is the way it's always been so used to it but I feel like you wouldn't maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► to do it today you wouldn't go to a new system like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► well the answer is what I said before that if your business is making viral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2334">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► YouTube is really the only game in town to do that there isn't really an option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► to do this in another way and I have I have investigated all of the various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► alternatives that are out there and all of them fall down in some key feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► that makes it impossible so I deal with YouTube's ugly backend system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► because that's just the price that I pay and for me it's a little bit different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► than it is for you because I have learned each of these pieces over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► and so for me it's like oh YouTube changes one thing at a time here in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► there as in actually today as I mentioned doing hello Internet video I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► logged in and saw that yes YouTube had changed piece of the interface for how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► the videos are monetized ok this is just going to be different now I can I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► just deal with that but there really isn't an alternative for posting videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► that millions of people are going to want to watch like right in a very short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2395">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► period of time I guess it's not a is not a practical thing to try to do on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► own and so that's why I put up with the YouTube system there's one last thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► want to mention of others which is the processing so when you upload a video to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► YouTube ads and then it goes into processing where it what I assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► they're doing at this point I actually watched a video them keep the HDD about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► this one so put it in the shoulders they are taking off I'll and compressing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► with whatever they'd used to compress it so it can be viewed at different bosses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► cause you to create a bunch different file sizes that they delivered to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► depending on the connection that they have the best connection do you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► fastest speed you have the nicer resolution video will be so I seen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► that is what the processing system is doing they're also converting it into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► whatever their standards are behind the scenes because I will give you two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► credit that they can suck in almost any kind of video and part of the processing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► is getting it all the same behind the scenes so that it will just plug into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► absolutely everywhere so you can you can throw any video at YouTube and it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► pretty much suck it up and then spit out the different resolutions that they need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► to play across every single player so I fully understand that the system is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► clever and make sense the problem is there's no indication of what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► so it takes an unknown unknown amount of time to process that you upload against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► us in processing and then I got an email to Tommy the video of processed I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► to it and it was horrible resolution so I was like oh no I've done it wrong so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► deleted the file but what happened was it had processed but processed at 2:40 P [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► just process the smaller version of it but then after that point you have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► idea of knowing when high resolution files does nothing in the interface and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► the creative studio to tell you what's happening and what point it's just sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► and wait and seems like such a strange way of doing things that like once it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► uploaded it then processes and buncha stuff happens as a creator get no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► feedback as to where it is in the in the kind of this system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► yeah I ran into this when I upload my videos because try as I might to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► things ahead of time I have almost always uploaded a video on the same day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► that I want to publish it and so the upload it goes to the processing phase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► and it's available but since I upload my animations at four K and 60 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► frames-per-second I never have any idea when that final high quality version is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► going to be available sometimes it's available in a few hours sometimes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► takes days and sometimes I have a few older videos where it just never became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► available for whatever reason it just never got a high quality version and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► because YouTube system doesn't allow you to go back and replace videos it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► oh ok I guess there never will be a fork age 60 frames per second version of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:12 ◼ ► video because who knows they're not they're not great about giving you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2592">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► feedback of an ETA for when processing will be done for all of the various file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► sizes it's just is it the whole thing about the system is it is complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► and also opaque in many ways and I hate it when it today did your job now now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► that Mike go out the cortex YouTube general people make me feel like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► you please just go there and do something this episode is also brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2624">TS</a>]
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00:44:37 ◼ ► can do with PDF pan and there are some additional courses to highlight how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2677">TS</a>]
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00:44:54 ◼ ► frequently have to sign contract or I have to take a document like a word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► document into PDF to send somebody or have to reduction text so I can send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► over a contract of some description [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2703">TS</a>]
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00:45:48 ◼ ► have a protein bar here really go ahead on this on this is like in the movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► now I'm trying to quietly unwrap something but it's totally impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2755">TS</a>]
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00:46:05 ◼ ► get styles a day did you know that comes out on the 17th I think of 260 basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► whenever wherever day comes out in america we can only grow UK it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► like they're asking the Internet to pirate that movie when they do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► yeah I probably will not be going to see it the first day simply because of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► many other people be tryna see the first time we have the benefit of being able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► yeah I guess you're right this is the self-employed stroke unemployed benefits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► movies at awkward times if I don't go to a midnight showing I'm just gonna go at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► like 11 a.m. the next day later today I'm going to book a ticket that time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► James Bond you may have a point there I might follow your plan should I like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► go to the movies now seem like the after the early afternoon did we talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2814">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► this time every talk about this in person or on the podcast I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► yeah but the big advantage of when you're self-employed person is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► able to try and arrange your life in such a way so that you are out of sync [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► yes that is it's beautiful when you can make it work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► it's amazing and I spent a lot of time figuring out what is the nadir of crowds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► at my gym and basically scheduled everything else in my life around that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► when can I walk into the gym and there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► nobody in the back section where I go great that is now the unmovable block of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► time on my calendar and because that is slightly shifted from normal people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► patterns everything else about like getting up when I'm trying to cross the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► city it's always an hour and a half off of what everybody else wants to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► something else it is it's beautiful couple of times in the last couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2876">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► weeks I've been caught in 5 p.m. rush hour traffic and I have been horrified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► by it is very is very very quickly forget what thats like and it's like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► my god this is terrible said the same thing happened to me actually just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► recently rush hour traffic someone might be listening to us now in rush hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► traffic I'm sorry if you're there but when you don't have to experience it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► a long time and then you go back it seems more horrifying like I used to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► an hour and a half long commute and I just kind of got used to it during rush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► hour but then going back and just just having two beyond the 2 per 20 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► it was it was horrifying income was when I made it to the other side it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► wow I got through that till I'm still here and everything there's an episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► of Curb Your Enthusiasm with Larry David don't know if you've ever seen that show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► might add that to your to watch list but it is good but the basic premise is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► Larry David is a billionaire from having written seinfeld and he lives is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► extraordinarily privileged life and at one point he's on a date with a girl and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► he's trying to tell her an impressive story and his and his impressive story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► is that he went on the subway ones end of story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► absolutely everywhere just that little bit they're the same beat in the shower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► he's expecting her to be super impressed that he took the subway ones driver I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► heard a lot about that show but never watched it I've actually just downloaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► some of iraq have never seen that show about done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► of my trip because somebody asked about this yesterday that the Amazon Prime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► video app lets you download videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► planes and stuff to keep them offline yeah and like but it's not restricted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► seasons like after download multiple seasons of shows you just hit on to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► top 35 depict three top comedies this is not in any particular order of all time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► I would say Curb Your Enthusiasm 30 rock and arrested development would be my top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► three of all time list I love Arrested Development's next thing right let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► talk about something a little bit more meetings serious rush hour traffic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► dangerous topic Mike yeah I wanted to talk about this because it's been in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► mainly because of Safari content blockers coming to iOS Apple's enabled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► people to create native ad blockers and has been hopping around that necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3054">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► we need to spend too much time discussing Apple's own system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► effectively it made me think about a blockers in general so I wanted to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► off by a kind of setting the scene for both of us and then i wanna talk a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► little bit about the business impact and kind of how that fits with the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► that mean you both do so do you run any at blocking software on any device yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► do I run blockers on my computers and now that Iowa's allows its I am running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► ad blockers on iOS devices and what do you blocking everything well I have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► yet settled on precisely what I'm going to use on iOS still feel like the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3103">TS</a>]
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00:52:18 ◼ ► peace out bitches now this is not making up from the store so different story for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3138">TS</a>]
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00:52:31 ◼ ► Safari on my iPhone on my iPad I use Chrome so I only ever so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► actively use it but if I say I mean like Twix bar open a page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► the ads may be blocked if I'm using Safari ViewController [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► so like if it's just loading with the Safari browser within but it's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► something I'm actively doing I just haven't turned it off I'm not trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► necessarily block that's right but you still are still out but not for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3175">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► majority of my browsing and it's not really a thing that I only notice a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► couple of days ago they were still on so it's not really something that I care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► too much about I don't really feel the desire to burning burning desire to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► bloggers like many people do their few different reasons I have these very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► conflicted views on this type of stuff and it kind of in a few places that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► feel like I sit on and understand the views of both sides in this argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3204">TS</a>]
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00:53:35 ◼ ► they're doing it and then also the readers and users of the site and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► who are trying to just get to the content ads blocking so for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► couple weeks ago I spent 15 minutes trying to read an article on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3224">TS</a>]
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00:53:54 ◼ ► so I was just trying to read an article on a website and there was a banner ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► that was just flashing in my eyes and I was trying to do everything to try and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► not seen as better try to read the pager tried reloading a bunch of time place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► and manner and then try to load it into paper but that website was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► something in so much that if I load it in the paper it wouldn't load images so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► I ended up having to read i refresh the page enough times they just gave me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► banner ad static and then I could read the article you're burning through their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► ad inventory I suck I don't care that the ad is dead I just wanted at that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► not actively trying to distract me right as one of flashing banner ad is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3275">TS</a>]
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00:54:44 ◼ ► sales teams of these websites or the other sides of that person's brain cells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► part of their brain what makes them put these hands on this site are there now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► to actively try to grab our attention and pull it away from the content is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3295">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► it happens with ads slide in from the side from the bottom obscure content and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► kind of stuff this is kind of the practices in web sites today where as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► trying to obscure the page in some way to cover up the content so you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► avoid it now I wanted to just come back in a moment but I wanted to segue into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► in my mind how I have reconciled the advertising that we have against what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► don't like about weapons so I make my living on podcasting and my podcasting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► living comes from the advertisements that we have on the show's now our ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► are there but there are a couple of different things about the way that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► the majority of ads that we do and sold by me if they're not stop by me they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► sold by somebody else on the relay team that is the way that was now we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3355">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► some agreements or some other parties but we still have a control of the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► of what adds a book and the content of the advertisement so we don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► dedicated sales team who's just trying to fill them entry so we have since we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► have a strong element of control over the advertisement we take and also our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► shows are structured around the advertisement sports so let there is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► ad playing right now as I'm talking that is trying to hide what I'm saying there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► is an ad that pops in half way for a sentence you know like we on this show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► we play a little sound effects which clearly denote that had started on other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► shows I would sail to say ok we're gonna take time for a break to thank our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► sponsor and its in such a way to let you know we might tease what's gonna come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► after the sponsor or whatever but there isn't which we're not trying to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► distract the listener or to pull them away from the content and that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► should the differences because I don't care that the web has ads on it I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► care of those ads are going against what I am in 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► thing to do on a site that is kind of my feeling about advertising online and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► I reconcile against the way that I make money right but it's just the way that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► have come to terms of why I'm happy with what we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► compared to this is one of these topics that I am I am convinced that people get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► in a real state about it in no small part because it's fundamentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► impossible to have a perfectly consistent opinion on it it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3472">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► messy topic that extends to so many things it's it's very very hard to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► something that is consistent all the way through so for example even your opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► which i think is very well stated I don't like the ads that are distracting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► and I don't mind the other ads the practicality of it is there is no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► for you right now to have an ad blocker that says only distract the top twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► percent of the worst of the worst ads and let everything through that ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► blocker doesn't exist and it would be hard to imagine how it could practically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► given the large number of ad networks out there and constantly changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► tactics and all the rest of it so you are in a situation where if you're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► any ad blocker there is in a sense of collateral damage that you don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► happen in theory but that you can't help from having happened if you are using an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► ad blocker and so that's why it's it is a very very hard to have an opinion on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► this topic which is perfectly consistent with how you're acting or how you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► things to be and I think that's one of the reasons why people get really upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► about it and they have these conversations about locking in regards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► maybe majority or at least a big portion of your money from advertising but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► advertising that you do you don't handle any other but it comes in different ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► so you have the podcast ads when you have known individuals selling for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► and then you have the you too thats so I'm in a bit of an interesting position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► here because I'm on both sides of this whereas you do you make your income from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► advertising but it's also not the kind of advertising which is blocked by ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► blockers as it exists right now there are no podcast clients which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► automatically skip TiVo like the ads that are in the middle of podcasts you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► existing but it doesn't exist at the moment so I do make a portion of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► income from the YouTube ads that appear at the start of my youtube videos so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► not every time but some portion of the time there will be a video before that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► and it's usually one of those videos that you wait five seconds and you skip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► or you don't skip but that's an ad that makes up a portion of my income and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► those are exactly the kind of ads that are blocked by bloggers so we can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► that in a real way some portion of my revenue is lost out upon because some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► portion of the ads are being blocked from people who are watching my video on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► desktop computers and and on the flip side I also make advertising income in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► the same way that you do with podcast where they're not blocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► so I've been thinking I've been thinking a lot about this and it's it's a tricky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► topic however I feel like this latest round of people freaking out about ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► blockers is a bit of a tempest in a teapot I think this is really overblown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► in very many waves and the reason I think that is precisely because I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► at the ads that appear automatically on my YouTube channel and if I go back over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► the four years that I've been doing this in terms of the number of dollars I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► received per 10,000 views on YouTube it doesn't seem like it's changed over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► it doesn't seem like it's gone dramatically down it's not as though the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► number of people who use desktop computers are constantly increasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► without blockers right doesn't it seems like some portion of the population some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► technically savvy and also probably distractible or just able to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► accomplish this thing some portion of the population installs ad blockers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► maybe that's ten percent maybe it's 15% it's hard to know what that what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► number is but it seems like once you hit that saturation point ad blockers don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► continue to spread we don't end up in a situation where year-on-year it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► like a higher portion of people are using ad blockers and so I can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► assume that on iOS this is going to be the same pattern I think one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► irrespective of how many people now in storage lockers although it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► undeniable that there are more people now that block out and they were before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► any changes more people write write any changes more people but that's i in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3776">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► ways I don't know how many more people that would be because the way I look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► it is especially with you too we can see that over time a higher and higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► proportion of people are watching videos on mobile and that number just seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► up and I can only imagine that the same people who installed ad blockers on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► their desktop who used to watch videos on their desktop and you are now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► watching videos on mobile if they have the option to be able to block those ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► they will take that option to block those ads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► irrespective of the fact of how many people using them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► has raised a new topic is one of the things that end up becoming a bit of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► meme on the internet now people are thinking about advertising and they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► outset web ads and you know people saying that there has to be a change in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► that kind of thing I've registries struggle with I really struggle with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► because if you block ads and you rally people around you to block as you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► affecting the livelihoods of people that don't have control and like writers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► journalists people like me who just want to make stuff and and they care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► what they make and they just wanna have a place to put it more and more the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► stuff gets blocked the harder harder it is for people to make money in this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► and that makes me feel uncomfortable ok I know what you're saying I know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► you're saying but I'm not sold on this story though it when I said before that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► it's a bit of a tempest in a teapot I think that in some ways what's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► here is a bit of almost a bit of a must like the same kind of distortion that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► have complained about with the News where the news in general focuses on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► things not in proportion to what they actually are and so with the ad blocker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► thing if you imagine say there was a flu going around the world that happened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3894">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► only affect people who work in television newsrooms and in newspapers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► nobody else would catch the flu only they would I think you would hear a hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► of a lot about this flu going around and how important it is that we figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► how to come up with a cure for preventive medicine for this flu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► because the people that it affects are the ones with huge megaphones and so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► ad blocking thing i think is a bit like this where companies that are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► experience some decrease in mobile revenue which I'm not convinced is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► to be a huge number decrease in mobile revenue they also have enormous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► megaphones to complain about it you're just hearing a lot about this in way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► disproportionate to what it actually is because even when you say someone like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3956">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► you or me we're going to be affected by this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► like straight up I am NOT going to be affected by this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► they give if many more people use ad blockers it won't it won't affect my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► business very much because I have tried to diversify the business to protect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► against this of course the thing that people would say is not everyone is able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► to diversify his way I have set up a petri on account and explicitly one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► my rewards is adblock absolution which is the lowest the lowest tier if someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► gives me a dollar when I put out a video it's a bit of a joke I could they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► adblock absolution from me if a blocking is going to affect any kind of company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► it seems to me that the the places that are affected the most are just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► these were the worst kind of aggregator websites that are on the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► websites that they don't particularly have any individual that you really care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► about their websites that are just producing an enormous amount of semi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► anonymous content I think those are the same kinds of sites that would have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► very hard time ever transitioning to any sort of membership model which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► something that you see a lot of websites doing so for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► VTG over at MAC stories he recently started up a membership model many many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► websites are starting at the membership model in addition to advertising as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► way to diversify but a membership model it works best if you are producing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► things that some group of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:55 ◼ ► intensely care about and I think one of the ways that you that you get followers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4075">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► were readers who intensely care about a thing is you're producing stuff that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► very high quality or you're producing stuff where people feel like they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► you and they like the thing that you are producing so if you are let's say a news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► website where it twenty percent of people start using ad blockers if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► revenue goes down 20% and that's really damaging to your business and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► also not able to convince any users to sign up for any kind of membership I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► feel like yours was a business on the edge already fundamentally if you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► transition to other sources of revenue it's in no small part because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► nobody really cares a lot about the thing that you're making you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► you're just another news aggregator or reprint err on the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► you're not a thing that people like enough to sign up for a membership I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► I understand what you're saying and I get where you're coming from but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► fact of the matter is every individual that blocks ads is one individual who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► will not be contributing money towards the website to any website so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► let's pick you know we will create a website called this merge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► excellent choice excellent choice this merger is a technology news website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► which is a very very large and thus merge employees a bunch of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► and they use ads on their website now they are not a news aggregator day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► create content which is i believe i would believe it's such a website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► existed is very good and I like it but they also have terrible ads in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4198">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► places and if the smudge has a million readers a day and 10% of those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► call a menace 10 percent of their income that they lose and every single person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► everyone individual ads and contributes towards this so this organization now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► makes less money than they needed and a lot of these companies they probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► would assume spend what comes in so they end up in a scenario where they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► less money than they did before but everybody still going to the website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► that just blocking the ads now and now this company's suffering because of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► and yes they may mean using as a great but they are the ads they exist because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► it's the only adds that they can use to fulfill the money they need as a reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► of this merge my question is if you are continuing to go to their website and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► read the content will give you the right to think you can get it for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► ok so I was talking before about how it's very difficult to have a morally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► consistent opinions on this topic that I think it's it's fundamentally impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► there's a there is a level to this argument which i think is is a level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► kind of a level above what is happening in the particulars without blocking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► it's it's one of the things that over the past year I think I really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► come down on it or clarified my thoughts on this which is why I'm sure I'll try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► to give a good comparison but it's it's almost like the United States law when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:42 ◼ ► you have tricky court cases one of the things that judges will try to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4302">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► they say okay well let's let's try to look at the constitution and what are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► the broad principles of the Constitution is laying out and let's try to not get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► mired down in the details of this I almost feel like there's a kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► implied technology constitution and if if if I were writing it I would have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► of those elements be that a user should have control in as much as is possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► over the machine that they are using if there's a case that's very complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► and it's on the edge you should care in favor of the user having control over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► their machine and I think this is one of these cases where I would err on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► side of the user having control so that yes there is there is kind of no moral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► argument to say I am correct in that I should be able to view a website without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► having to participate in the implied contract reviewing the ads I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► you can make an argument for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► well it's not right I wouldn't go so far as to say it's dealing but it I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► falls into the category of things that are like copyright infringement not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4375">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► stealing but not great but nonetheless I am more in favor of users being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► control their machines and I think that ad blocking is one version of that where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► it's like ok fundamentally what's happening here is that my computer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► receiving data from another computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► and I wish to manipulate that data in some way and I'm going to come down on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► that side if the situation is unclear like that I think that would be one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► my more guiding principles but it doesn't mean that everybody is happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► that that principle absolutely means that some people will be upset but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► kind of like freedom of speech in in america right freedom of speech doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► mean that everybody's happy that's not what is trying to achieve but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► a guiding principle for difficult decisions she talking about control I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► in the control of your machine so I I think the implied are you making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► control is that you get to write enable in a blocker yeah basically that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► that's what I'm saying what if the control is you just don't go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► website without a doubt that is an option right user can say I'm simply not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► going to visit the website and that that can definitely be their behavior but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► trying to take the difficult case hear of someone is explicitly saying no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► want to go to the website I want to visit this marriage everyday I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► click Refresh hundreds of times and I never want to see a single ad on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► merge and I'm saying that ok even in that situation if we have to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► broad decision I think it is it is better to err on the side of user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► control than it is to ensure that a company does not miss out on revenue and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► again this I am in the category of these things like people use ad blockers when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► they watch my videos and I know that and I know that I lose out on revenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► because of that and I'm still fine with this decision of like I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► morally condemn anybody who has only ever watched my videos with an ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► blocker on and has never donated to my picture on I will not morally condemn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► that person but what is the control that you feel that you are giving away is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► the control of the page looks like or is it the control of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► the trackers that many of these websites used to track your information when I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► in control I'm kind of talking about a a general-purpose computer situation like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► I have a machine in front of me that I can program now I absolutely know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► at this very moment there are angry Android users firing up their email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► clients to tell me about how Apple has totally locked down and iPhones and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► can't do anything with them and if you're still in favor of user control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► wire using I feel like I totally understand that I'm just say I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► favor of more control I'm not looking for absolute control with my device so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► think this is a situation where Apple has allowed the user to do a thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► some people are taking advantage of that option and I think that they should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► able to do that but there is definitely it's so bound up in the sad side of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► things but there is there is definitely a privacy argument to be made and when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:29 ◼ ► first started running gostaria while ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4589">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► good story is an ad blocker but also just a tracking blocker on the web and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► hadn't used it ever but they have a little option where it'll pop up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► little bubble at the bottom which will show you all the things on the page that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► it blocks and I have to say I had my breath taken away by how many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► were loaded up on so many websites I just could not believe the number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4613">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► trackers that appear on normal websites it was quite astounding and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► specifically went around to some sites just to see like what is where and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► amount of stuff that is keeping track of where you are going all the time is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► much bigger than I would have thought and I think I should have been more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:21 ◼ ► aware of this than I was but my my internetting experience is relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4641">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► constrained like I don't go to a lot of general websites my experience is spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► a lot of time on Reddit and Twitter and Hacker News and I follow some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► they like but I don't really go to a lot of broad websites like let's say our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► theoretical submerged that's exactly the kind of site where it exists that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► wouldn't necessarily spent a lot of time on but seeing the way some people in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► family use their devices I can see what other people's internet looks like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► it sometimes horrifying like my wife definitely complains about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► horrific add that follow her around on the internet and I've heard other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► talk about how you like stuff follows you from site to site and I've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► people I know have difficulty even trying to navigate web sites and so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► is what I mean about the control of the device that you're using of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► what this is my machine and I don't want ad companies following me from place to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► place advertising things that I just don't want to see like I own this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► machine I should be able to block this stuff or I'm trying to get access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► this information and I just want to make it as clear as possible so that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► kind of what I mean about a user having control over their own device I'm very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► conflicted about this I think it's it's a kit comes across in the way that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► basically talk around then around it like I don't know how to feel here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► the main thing the main reason I've left piece installed is because the one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► I don't like is how long it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► web pages to load and how large they are in some instances because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► enough left only on my iPhone and only in at like Twitter because I'm usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► so that for example only ever use Safari in like 10 min to watch it opens in so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► far in a safari you know because I tend to be out and about when I'm looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► so I'm burning from my data cap because websites are very very large but whilst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► we've been talking i unlock my phone and go into the settings outlet four times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► to remove peace and then I could come back from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► I've heard this discussion from many people have read about it from many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► people many of my friends and its most people take the exact view that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► taking right now which is its my advice i dont wanna see that you're showing me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► i dont wanna be tracked by you so I am taking my right and installing an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► Locker and I will never see the ads are loved by you anymore but like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► part of me just like I don't know if that is is that lines up with my morals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► as to what i think is is acceptable and I also feel like so many people what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► they say is the biggest point is doesn't line up for example the people there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► that mainly complain about being tracked what if you just turned off the tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► but still saw the ads to be happy about that and I think that most people would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► then go back on themselves and say that they also don't want to see the ads as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► well yeah I won't back down from that if there was an option to say just turn off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► trackers and not also turn off ads I wouldn't take it but I would block the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► ads as well which I believe basically everybody that uses a few so I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4854">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► that the tracking stuff is a MacGuffin in the conversation it's so many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► an excuse to say why they think it's ok to block the ads because companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► shouldn't have the ability to track them are on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► I just think that the tracking thing comes up because for a lot of people it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► strikes them as creepy in a way and it is just another it is another layer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► add to this conversation I think that perhaps what is the creepiest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► intersection of tracking and advertising is I saw this article I'll leave it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► you might find it for the show notes but it was it was some report about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► product that Google is developing which they called Google match did you come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► across this so the outline this is one of these stories where I was I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► thinking did somebody a Google float this so they could see public reaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► before they're actually going to announce it but the broad outline as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► reported by like sources inside google whether Google developing this program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► called match where an advertiser can upload email addresses and specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► try to target those people with ads on the web through Google system so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► have a database of a bunch of Gmail addresses Google knows when those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► are logged and browsing around in Chrome and you can advertise to those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► specifically and I think that's the kind of thing people would just fine really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:40 ◼ ► creepy to know exists you know who doesn't who make yeah you don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/4960">TS</a>]
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01:36:05 ◼ ► and we've had conversations with some companies that we do not sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► endorsements sponsorships and a host can endorse a product if they choose to many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► have a little section in the same if you would like to talk about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► experiences with the product you can say that here but we purposely do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► present and in the first person unless they are an endorsement of always right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► is a read because I don't feel like we have to specifically all he used the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► products but it's with we believe that it is a good product and a good fit like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► for example let's say that we have smiles sponsoring the show and I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► smiles products of a host of some of the other shows might not use them but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► trust my judgement that they would read the ad that the product is good because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5813">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► I use it so we have as a group so that there are other we we have an advertised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► it on our users who has a Mac out but I don't use but I know that Katie uses so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► I'm happy to see what I mean yeah we have week if any of us can agree this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► a good thing then we will advertise it but it's not necessarily a personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► endorsement in every situation I just want to take that sidebar sorry no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► you please please do I because this is an important point here about why our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► advertisers more willing to pay for Pakistan's and part of it is the host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► part of it for what you guys do it relay and also what I do it hello Internet is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► a selection of podcast ads and I do the same thing I don't use every single one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► of the products that is advertised on hello internet but I will never say oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► love in used product acts if I don't but if I have used a product and I do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► it I'm totally happy to say it like I never want to have an ad on that show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5875">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► that I feel uncomfortable with but the next level down is that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► companies that kind of cell mass podcast ads and I turned away from using those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► very quickly and the price of those were lower because it felt like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► one step down where it wasn't like curation and selection and something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► that I'm very happy talking about and i got much much lower rates for those kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► of ads on podcast we're taking a step now from like curated intensely personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► if they can be ads down to the host is still reading it but it's slightly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► mass markets and is not as carefully selected and it's like ok well now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► price has gone down a little bit then the next level down is stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► YouTube ads which is we have reference before on the podcast pay so little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► compared to podcast ads like several orders of magnitude less and then below [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:57 ◼ ► like the YouTube ads there are just like banner ads and kind of your standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5937">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► Google Adsense ads and men if you're running that kind of stuff and to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► large extent that's what I see a lot of these smart like sites running you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► to generate enormous amounts of use to get small amounts of money that you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► ungodly numbers of use as a that's what I mean by excites using these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► bottom of the barrel ads they just don't pay very much and I just I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► convinced that they don't pay very much and the sites can't figure out other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► ways to do it because they're not producing content that people intensely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► care about that that's why it's very hard for them to transition to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:50 ◼ ► business models because if they're trying to start up a membership it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5990">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► just nobody really cares that much and so that's also why they're using those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► same ads and they're like stuck in this position but even all that taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► together I'm still not convinced their businesses will go out of business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► because it is many steps to install an ad blocker on iOS and it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:08 ◼ ► complicated thing to do on the desktop and most users just never ever do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6008">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► it's always going to be a small percentage of the audience who are doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► this but my feeling about this is these things begin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:24 ◼ ► and then they grow and I feel like this is a beginning of something so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6024">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► why I'm like I feel like I need to understand my stance now and I think I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► think i have I think this conversation has helped me solidify and I have turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► off peace now if if the situation remains the same as it has been I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► not be using a blocker part of is actually echoes and you said earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► that my internet usage places I go is very limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► I don't see the world wide web like the majority of stuff that finds websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6057">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► that use to go to or links provided by people on Twitter which are typically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► people I follow up our owners and/or rise of the website now and I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► any of those websites to go away so the way that I feel like I can do my bit for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► that is to accept their ads MIB and if because the situation I was happy before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► I never complained I don't complain now so I'm just gonna stick with how it used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► to be and see how it goes from there but I don't I don't think that I i I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► judge other people based on my own views on this because everyone has their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► reasons but I just feel like I wanted to share my thoughts because I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► heard many people talking on the podcast I listen to in the way of speaking so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6114">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► that's that's where I stand on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:05 ◼ ► you more like what they call me is it now is you have anything more you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6125">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► understand this I have a lighter a lighter quick topic and I know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► promise I'm looking have so many notes on this topic and if you like we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► had a very convoluted conversation and as always I'm very nervous when we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► recording about how it actually comes off because the thing that thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:39 ◼ ► podcasting versus say writing an article is in podcasting when you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6159">TS</a>]
01:42:46 ◼ ► you're just saying things out loud and you don't you don't have the opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6166">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► to let me refine that sentence so it is clearer what I mean and I feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► have a have just left behind me a long series of unclear sentences so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6174">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► we'll have to revisit this in the future but I am looking at just so many notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► and I think this is just so tied up for me in how people make their money online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:13 ◼ ► and what kind of business models are successful and whether or not people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6193">TS</a>]
01:43:18 ◼ ► have a right to demand that things work in a certain way it's like it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6198">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► hard for me to pull this out so I think for the moment we're just gonna have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► leave it as it is because I don't know if an infinite amount of talking will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:29 ◼ ► clarify this successfully right now and that the show I have a little follow in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6209">TS</a>]
01:43:37 ◼ ► which I didn't address earlier can you explain for the listener would follow in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6217">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► is Mike and also who was the creator of following you all the currently be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► creating a follow in between currently there's no currently I am the creator of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► all the creative solutions so many people be familiar with tough follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6232">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► which is something that we do it has many podcasts to John Siracusa who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► mentioned area is credited as being the deal was not necessarily creator the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:12 ◼ ► instigator I guess of follow-up and the idea of where follow-up exists in a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6252">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► the front and it's all that country he said many rules that many podcasts for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► now and then when changes and snow started upgrade Jason create something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► called follow out which is where the host of a podcast world give their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► thoughts of views on another podcast right it's basically doing follow-up but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► follow-up for somebody else's show and also providing feedback but not through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► an email so recently created something called follow in where he has a host of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6291">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► another show on the same network asked a question of another host on another show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:07 ◼ ► via means so he asked federico VTG of Mac stories and connected a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6307">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► about something that happened on his show up at the Lincoln National City [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► episodes right start it's too much to go to run if it's follow in because the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► I was doing it was I wanted to insert Vihear you a follow up question for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:36 ◼ ► I could have just asked him on Twitter but I thought this was funny here to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6336">TS</a>]
01:45:39 ◼ ► this way so now Federico is reversing this process and he is inserting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6339">TS</a>]
01:45:45 ◼ ► follow-up question for me I'm presuming on this show through you just so people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6345">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► are up to date with all the podcasting 250 podcasting universe was not enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► for you now have been so like many many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6357">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► federico was fascinated by your love of fight song again I never specified that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:08 ◼ ► I love fight song I know that you're trying to make this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6368">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► fights on with the tools that I used that song is in my hello I want you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:17 ◼ ► even though I've only listened to it once maybe twice at the catchy song but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6377">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► my problem was I listened to one very small clip of that song multiple times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► that in my head all the time as I was editing a lost episode and Federico like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► many people sent me a screenshot of him listening to that song and then asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► the following questions has grey ever been to a concert rarely and mostly a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► long time ago so yes is the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6412">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► yeah the answer is yes but I mean not in like I mean even now I'm stuck in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6415">TS</a>]
01:47:04 ◼ ► different definition of concert to mean live music journalist a knot in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6424">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► give him my previous answer there what are you going to speculate well I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► say no however they could have been some like radical change in you you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:24 ◼ ► you loved it then but now I hate them know they're there has been no radical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6444">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► change I do not enjoy concerts and my limited experiences with them have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► oh this is a horrible combination of two things one it's just boring it's deathly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► boring because there is never a scenario in my life where I would pay attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:48 ◼ ► to music with 100% of my available mind because I'm supposed to just stand here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6468">TS</a>]
01:47:54 ◼ ► and just watch you play music and nothing else like are you kidding me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6474">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► this is not this is not adequately interesting to justify this amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► attention and then secondly for live music and concerts I always it's bill 00 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► I'm just listening to a worse version of the song you could have gone to a studio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:18 ◼ ► and recorded this and make sure that everything sounds right and tweak it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6498">TS</a>]
01:48:21 ◼ ► be its best possible version but instead I'm just listening to you saying it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6501">TS</a>]
01:48:26 ◼ ► the cuff and you're not doing as good a job as you could in the studio because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6506">TS</a>]
01:48:30 ◼ ► the studio you can spend the time to make it the best it possibly can be no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6510">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► not really a fan of concerts did you wants a mass hundreds of people into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► room and so on a stage with some friends and talk to them for you talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:47 ◼ ► the random acts of intelligence show which was a one off thing in Alabama [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6527">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► which was amazing and super fun but it was also not the five of us going up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6533">TS</a>]
01:49:01 ◼ ► there and doing exactly versions of things that we were already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6541">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► extraordinarily well known for for example I didn't get up there and tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:11 ◼ ► go through the entire script my United Kingdom explain video that's that's to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6551">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► meet with the concert stuff is like I'm gonna do this now but I'm going to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:19 ◼ ► slower and with more errors because I'm trying to do it live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6559">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► whereas when I can record it and edit it I can do it fast and perfect every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:27 ◼ ► and it's better there's no comparison here but you do know that everybody in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6567">TS</a>]
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01:49:37 ◼ ► that I don't know that I can't conceive that people would want to hear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6577">TS</a>]
01:49:42 ◼ ► private see this is the difference because many many thousands and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+EtBlK1Nrw/6582">TS</a>]