Cortex 7: Ultimately a Nightmare
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are you ready to do this thing I am alright let's get started now really get
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started
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perfect start destroying everything is great how you feelin I'm jetlagged I'm
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tired so I apologize to listen to him a little bit off my game today but I have
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recently flown from london to the United States to visit some family so I'm
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currently recording from a remote location in North Carolina using some
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duplicate equipment that I had stashed here but yes I have just recently
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changed many time zones and I'm feeling a bit light headed and off in the way
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that I always do whenever I change time zones so yes that's why I feel the need
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to apologize to listeners straight out of the gate this morning I booked and
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traveled on flights for a conference I'm going to in October and i'm looking to
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be there for four days and I looked at the kind of the times I'm flying in from
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coming home and realizing how horrible it's gonna be where is this conference
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Indianapolis Indianapolis ok so the flight going there isn't too bad I just
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have to stay awake until the evening will leave at like 10 a.m. here and 12
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hour flight and then I have to maybe do a kind of a five or six hours a week so
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I can live with that but the flight coming home
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arrived back in England at 6 a.m. and it's like well I now know that I'll be
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useless for days after the yes I know those arriving early in London flights
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and you just you just have to write off the next week I'm going to be a crazy
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zombie when I come back from indianapolis i think is in one of those
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funny little time zones I think it's not on the East Coast central and mountain
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yeah one of those two times and everyone just forgets about everyone who lives on
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the coast that is but what makes this worse though maybe better to look at it
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I'm also gonna be in Portland in September so I can't think about that
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late September Portland back for like maybe three weeks and then going back
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out to the states again
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I may as well just to shut down the business in August just
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yes just really will go off the air for two months
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September and October I went nowhere I am jet lag is is so much worse now that
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I'm self-employed because I give in to it when I used to work at a job right I
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would it was like well ok I know you've only slept for one hour but its a.m. now
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see you have to to get up and go to work but now it's like just sleep until 4
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p.m. you lazy bum is no one stopping me like that was something I had recently
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when I came back from the states in just one day I just fell asleep at two in the
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afternoon and then when I was intending to be working just a disaster if we
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talked last time about how I always think that I'm going to do those
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tutorial videos for the video games that I play and when I take the flight back
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from London and I usually arrive early in the morning every time I think the
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same thing which is okay I've arrived in the morning I'm just going to stay awake
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because that's the most reasonable thing to do sure I've been up all night and on
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on an uncomfortable airplane but it would if I can just stay up all day when
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I arrived at 6 a.m. then I'll be right back into the swing of things tomorrow
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and without fail at some point during the day I slipped into unconsciousness
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without even being aware of its wake up in the middle of the night
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wide awake in London it's just it never fails that I hope again always
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overestimate myself let go this time I really will stay awake how how often
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have we ever done this brain oh never never is how often we've done this but
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this time it will be different this time we really will stay awake so yes I have
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always planned my going back around around jet lag but there's this this we
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will talk about it more I think next time but this whole trip of mine is
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there are many more flights coming which I'm not looking forward to this is just
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the beginning of many more flights and many more visits in America so there
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there will be much jet lag
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said that next week with a little bit more about traveling generalizing yes so
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we had we had some follow-up there was a surprising amount of follow-up related
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to let's play video gaming there was more follow-up about the let's play
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videos than it was about the email section which was very surprising to me
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and it it just shows the sometimes you really cannot estimate war people wanted
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here or what they're interested in hearing about this very interesting this
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is the lesson I have learned from the internet is I am terrible at guessing
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what the things people are going to be interested in our when I put up a video
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very often people are discussing some part that I thought was incidental but
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for whatever cap captures people's attention and when you have a big forum
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like on Reddit where you can see what people are discussing it was always
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aware that that it is so often not whatever the sensible main topic was it
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something else that catches people's people's interest whether the videos or
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whether it's it's podcast and that's one of the reasons why I really do like to
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see the feedback to see what are people talking about and based on the last
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episode we should have some kind of let's play segment of the show every
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time because everybody wanted to talk about even though I could not have made
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it any more clear in that episode that I know basically nothing about let's play
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maybe if we ever do in experimental season at the show we could just mean
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you could just do let's play in to see an end in theory would have liked a
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million listeners is it just seems that many things about yeah we don't have we
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don't really have a lot of addressable follow up the basically if because again
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we know nothing about this time literally nothing but if you want to get
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some good video game suggestions you should go to the thread for that
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observed that absent a part in the show notes again because there was lots of
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really interesting the against up
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that people should play and this probably I would be surprised if it's
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not a couple of new things on your list are so there was one really great
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comment and the comment was much longer than the part I'm gonna read out and it
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was from gannett jericho then it was talking about about gaming and PewDiePie
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and the way that people are perceived like celebrities and stuff like that and
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they said an hour I really like to quote and thought you liked it as well
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people in the public I get paid the amount that they do because we value
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what they produce and you might take issue with the fact that society values
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of football coach more than a laureate but the fact of the matter is there more
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football fans and science answer economic sense and they're apparently
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more gaming fans pie gets to reap and it was really interesting as it is kinda
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just like ya is weird that the guy who screams about video games makes millions
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of dollars a year but it's where the audiences and it's what people are
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interested in so that's kind of yeah it is a good point about the relative
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audience size because yes he's making millions of dollars a year but there are
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hundreds of millions of intense video game fans worldwide
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I feel like it you are you are much younger than me Mike you might not have
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this the same feeling but I am aware that I think the video game industry has
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gone so much from becoming far from being a kid pastime to now being an
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acceptable part of mainstream culture and its it is it is a powerful force to
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be reckoned with in the same way that the movie industry is a huge business
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that uses up lots of people's time and isn't it interesting that he liked to
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have seen that that change over my lifetime that now people like my age who
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grew up playing Nintendo Super Nintendo it like well we're now adults and we
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have money to spend and leisure time that we want to use
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use and it's all contributing to this enormous video game economy and that's
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how I still sometimes catch myself feeling like video games are a marginal
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part of the culture but they are long long past that now and that's that's
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partly why PewDiePie is an interesting intersection in that it feels like how
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can there be so many people watching him play video games and like all right it's
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like asking how can there be so many people who watch movies like it's just a
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huge part of the world now but it but I think that I can still sometimes
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underestimate that because it was it was not like that when I was a kid there
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were no adults who played video games when I was a kid i mean it's interesting
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hollywood had a great comparison because the debates economic seem to match up
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lake there are the blockbusters which everybody waves right like Call of Duty
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for example there are like middle of the road stuffed a bunch of Cindy things
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every small fraction dude its place and its
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yes very with the movie industry really interest me and I think they also match
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in a way that unlike the world of literature most games have to be multi
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people projects and you can't make a movie with just one person and the the
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vast bulk of games except for the smallest of small indie projects like
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you have to have a team of people working on it is I think that they are
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interesting Lee comparable industries in a bunch of waves I totally get why
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people get upset that it's like you know such and such person is doing a really
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important thing trying to teach people were trying to help you manage it
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doesn't make any money but it's kinda just like well what can you do that just
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isn't the amount of people out there to give that scientists the money so it's
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like for as long as the public perception of his long as a lot of
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people in the world want to listen to a PewDiePie says he deserves the money was
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given time
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yeah and I used to be one of these guys as well I remember a younger version of
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me would be really frustrated with situations like why does the football
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team get so much funding and the library doesn't and i think is I've gotten older
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I've become more accepting
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of those situations and realizing oh right of course that to a university or
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to a school football team is actually quite valuable public relations asset
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and it draws a lot of it is not how valuable you think it is it's it's how
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valuable it is to the wider audience of people who have vastly different
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preferences than just you and so I guess I like books and I like the library but
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a school or university isn't necessarily a signing funding based entirely on my
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preferences or entirely on the likes of the super long term value of what a kid
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my read in a library and then what happens fifty years down the road it's
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like the football team is an asset now in a in a very tangible very tangible
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way so yeah I i I have relaxed about this but I used to get wound up over the
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exact same kind of things why are in scientists paid more and why are
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celebrities paid enormous amounts of money and I think I said last time it we
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might want the situation where scientists who think I'm arguably
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contribute more to the long-term value of society than people who make movies
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you might want them to get paid more but but one thing that is is a bit like
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fight fighting the laws of physics I'm I want gravity to be stronger or weaker
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but it doesn't it doesn't matter I can rail against that all day and nothing is
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nothing is going to change that if you were looking at market forces it's very
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hard to move those things around so I wanted to address some email stuff with
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you today we're doing this again you were doing this again I'm not finished
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I do not believe there is one thing that you seem to to love which is receiving
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email the kids you you you instigate in a new topic suggestions but I'll come
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back to in a moment but for some reason then received via email
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every single suggestion that anybody sent you will happen
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back up from here we discussed last time how many email was not working very well
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for me and I made the point which i think for many of the things that I'm
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engaged enough they don't believe in the notion of just trying harder if
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something isn't working I believe very much and trying to change the system so
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that you get more of the results that that you want and so I was thinking
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about this cuz it we did that last episode because he had come to a kind of
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head as a problem for me and i was thinkin ok what can I what can I do to
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try to stem mclean change some of this stuff and so one of the things I thought
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was I get a lot of emails from people who are just ultimately they're
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suggesting topics to me so that ok is there a way that I can pull this out of
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you mail into a different format that is maybe easier for people to use and also
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easier for me to receive and so I thought ok I played around a little bit
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and I realized I could use Google has an option where you can set up forms that
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people can fill out and then it adds the the information they have filled out
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into a spreadsheet in Google Docs so that ok great I'll say this about my
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website not just trial it out I'll just see how this goes
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so on my website now if you go to whatever is the topic suggestions page
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there's a link somewhere on the site there's a single line where it says what
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would you like CGP grey to make a video about and just a little space for people
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to write something in and they can hit submit and then that goes into the
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spreadsheet for me and I was looking at the results as I was testing out that ok
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this is actually way more useful to me because I can look at this much more
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quickly because people don't feel the need to wrap their topic suggestion in a
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lot of paragraphs of other stuff
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wearing an email that I get some time
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ultimately a topic suggestion there's a little bit of a warm up and then there's
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a little bit of a goodbye in that email where is here now it's like ok great you
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just written two or three words about what you want the thing to be so I can
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go through this much faster I can look at it and it's much more comprehensible
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much more quickly and I'm also not changing moods like I mentioned last
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time with the email it's like i'm looking at the spreadsheet and i'm
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looking at topic suggestions in this is the thing that I'm doing I'm not
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receiving topic suggestions in between a whole bunch of other stuff so all of
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this was fine and dandy and I thought oh great this is working to perfect and I
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went away for a while and I came back a few hours later and discovered that I
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had not realized that while I was sitting there really chuffed with myself
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for how clever I was the solution everyone does say that I came back and I
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open my email and I panic from my email and I saw the little one red badge zip
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up to something over a thousand messages I thought what what the heck is this
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what happened I look at my email inbox and sure enough I didn't realize that
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the default setting was not only to add the topic suggestion to the spreadsheet
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but also to email me the topics and so I had gotten over the course of a couple
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hours now and emails dumped into my email inbox all of which were just
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copies of what I had already been looking at in the spreadsheet in seeing
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how everything was was going like this is exactly the opposite of what I wanted
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luckily it was a relatively quick fix to take care of that to tell the tell the
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suggestion box please stop emailing me and also to clear all of those out in it
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in a systematic way because they were all very similar it's easy to pull them
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pull them apart but it was an unwelcome surprise and not not what I was
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expecting and I was I was very much worried about my email inbox your heart
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got a little weak that day
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making email better to know you have made it worse than you can ever imagine
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yes but but overall I am happy with this change will have instituted and it is
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definitely an improvement so far so this is this is a little piece of changing
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the system not simply telling myself oo go through emails even faster and harder
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than I ever have before so I like the way this is working right now this
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spreadsheet so so good thing you can give to someone be like things are
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duplicates remover things on just never gonna touch and then tell me what's in
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what's good in here
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with it when it's now data in a format and i actually I was just looking
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through it to get a sense of what people were saying but you can also do
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here there are just a very many options for for this now in a way that you
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couldn't do that easily with email and alongside this you've also instituted a
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new contact City be great page website which has a little forum on it which is
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clearly a novel way for you to try and make some sort of change to email
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yes exactly so I have also set up a form that people can fill out which is a real
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email form now so we can put in their name and they can put in their email
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address and write a little message and this does not go to me this goes to my
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personal assistant who is then filtering and dealing with the use as they are
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coming in and we're figuring out now you know how does this work and what exactly
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the rules are going to be but yes this is a way to take off some burden of
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contact from me and to try to have somebody else whole out actionable stuff
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and summarize it for me so this is this is a relatively new and we're just
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trying this out but you seemed a little bit insecure the copyright
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that you were a little bit not sure about this so here's the part where it's
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just almost impossible not to sound like a self-important douchebag where you
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you're trying to do things that are conflicting I am attempting in one way
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to make it easier for people to reach me because this is the alternative to your
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email has gone into an endless black hole that I will never look at right now
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now so in this way there it's easier because yes an actual person will look
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at look at your email but at the same time in trying to make something easier
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it is also there's no way to get around the fact that I'm setting up a barrier
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is well like it's not going directly to me it's going to another person who may
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then pass it on to me or may respond to you directly and so is trying to figure
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out how to write the copy on this page of being honest about what this is no
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you're not sending me an email directly it's going to my assistant but without
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sounding like oh I'm so bored and I can't read your email but please send me
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emails anyway because it's just great there's I think there is simply no way
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to accomplish that task completely impossible because there's no there's no
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like humble way to say I can't read your email has to go to the system is just no
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way you can word that yeah it's it sounds like a normal human yeah it is
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just impossible it's just impossible and so I tried to make it like a little bit
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funny and also to try to make it as short as humanly possible because yes
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there's no good way to to do this but it is up there it's an option for people to
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send me emails I have noticed something interesting so far about these these two
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different forms which has changed already the way you mail has come in
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because for the moment are monitoring these things and seeing ok how to each
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of them how are they used to know how it's going to work as a system
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and people have definitely been using them and way less email has come
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directly to me
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interestingly the number of topic suggestions is enormous
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it's way more contact than I ever got from people sending me contact
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suggestions directly so I i looked at this just yesterday and they were
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thousands and thousands of topic suggestions on that spreadsheet and
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interestingly the emails to me have vastly drop down and wave fewer people
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are using that contact form to send an email sometime just aware of this and I
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wonder what's happening is somebody thinking oh let me send an email and
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then they're coming up to that form and then deciding what ever they were going
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to send probably isn't going to make it through my personal assistant and just
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not bothering instead of trying to get rid of trying to guess what my email
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addresses and contact me directly like they're just looking on the site and
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going over there is a way I'll just I just won't do it like it's it's
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interesting and I don't know what is the reason for email through that form being
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quite low and then the topic suggestions are just enormous it's it's an
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interesting it's an interesting difference that I would not have
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predicted when I set this up I think I would have no yeah yeah because with the
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topic suggestions you doing two things you'll be pointing to a meeting about
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pointing to the fact that you would like topic suggestions and you're also like
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changing a policy which you are now willing to accept them because I think
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people that may be familiar with your work you do know that if they email you
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a topic suggestion you probably not right but now they're like well you've
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opened the floodgates and you're requesting them so you may I may as well
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Joe Smith send you that topic detection because now you're asking for them we
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haven't before two so when you make a change like that and then highlight I
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can see why people would send through more and also the email thing makes
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sense to me as well because I would be a lot of the email that you got his
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personal like people were addressing you personally know you dream about you but
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now they know that it's not going to you a lot of the personality and the
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connection will have gone and I don't think necessarily people see that go
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great but just so more like all if it's gonna go to somebody else does not I'm
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not gonna write in the way that I would write it so maybe I just won't write it
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was interesting I think you might be right and also people that I like one of
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your business if you ask you to do something now have a self qualifier of
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well it has to pass a third party to think that this might actually be worth
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grades while so let me think about it now that you say it it sounds possibly
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obvious but I would not have predicted this in the in the beginning this
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smile for their support of this show so I have some I have some stuff around
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email some of it is centered on things that I didn't get to talk to you about
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last week I wanted to and some is based on feedback that we received one of the
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questions that we received a bunch was people wanted to know the total number
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of how many emails are in your Inbox
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this would be I would think the very top level all inbox every email account you
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have every small fold every filter everything what is that not that sits at
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the very top it's a people want to know how behind I am that that's what people
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want to know I think people just want to hear an astronomical number yeah people
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just want something huge 75,000 so I I only have a rough estimate because I
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didn't count it up last time we were we were talking but I know that the number
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of emails that I had to deal with in some way so yes across all accounts and
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across all levels of my sorting flag emails waiting for all of the rest of
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the stuff that number was somewhere above a thousand and below 2000 I can't
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narrow it down more specifically than that but when we spoke last time that's
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that's where we were so well so it's a very large number but that is very very
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large number it's not like 15000
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oh yeah I think and correct me if I'm making an incorrect assumption I think
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the problem is isn't the number is the fact that that number probably never
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really changes its ways
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because as much email comes in as you can
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that number was that number had been increasing over say the last six months
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and I think listening to me talking last time on on the episode the one thing
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that I did not get across very well was one of the big reasons it was also
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occurring with me just spending less time on email and so that's why I was
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spending less time clearing it out and so that was also causing this backlog
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effect to occur I was doing much less frequently a thing that I used to do
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more often which was say dedicate an entire day or two in a row to just clear
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out email and to get it down to nothing I used to do that much more frequently
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and I was doing that much less frequently because I was trying to say
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it like he's that the best way to spend my time is that what people want me to
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do and yes there are problems in email there are things that need you to be
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solved all problems and benefits are relative and so I was spending more time
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on making things in less time on email and and that's partly why the the
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backflow was was increasing but I wanted to bring it up as a topic because
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obviously at a certain point it gets on your mind like email was now on my mind
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is this little burden that was always there in in the background and so that's
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kind of why I was wanting to talk about it is because I can feel this is a
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problem now not because of anything that's like in the email but all of the
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emails in aggregate together are like a psychological burden even if none of
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them in particular is a huge deal breaking problem which is why I can
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dedicate less time to them but none of them stop the business but all of them
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together just a psychological burden that's where I was last time we spoke so
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where are you an email now
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as of this morning I am happy to reports that I have 0 emails in my inbox was ok
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because it turns out if you make a podcast where you embarrassingly talk
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about how far behind on email you are you have basically shamed yourself into
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having to actually clear all of this out I just couldn't deal with it being there
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anymore and the fact that I'm traveling happens to have made this an excellent
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time to do this because all of my normal routines are thrown off kilter anyway so
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on the airplanes and have been working here in North Carolina little bit III
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who was filled with a vengeance to get this back down at least at least to just
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be able to slap the bottom of the empty floor for a split second before it
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starts filling back up again that that was the goal because I was also thinking
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about it I want to try to change the way this works
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systematically it's very hard to do that while still having a big backlog of
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stuff if it's easier to sit down and say ok I'm actually going to spend a serious
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amount of time dealing with this and then trying to build a new system from
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the ground up and that's just that's easier to do a bomb just focused on
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email so I haven't been writing scripts I haven't been doing other stuff related
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to the business I have basically dedicated my time to clearing out all of
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that stuff and yes just just a couple hours before we started recording I
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reached the bottom so I'm quite relieved about that that's amazing like really
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that is awesome he did that if if that amazing it's just a matter of time but
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because here's the thing going through all of this it makes it was just again
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of realizing with the email yes none of these are none of these are big problems
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but they're all just little problems spread across a huge variety of domains
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personal life and business life and all of these things as a whole bunch of
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stuff to deal with in all of these different context switches it just takes
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a lot of time that that's all it is it's not it's not hard it's not like coal
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mining where it's difficult work all day long raised just time consuming and this
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is where I i feel conflicted about acts like I mentioned mentioned before ok so
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I've I feel better cause I've relieved this mental email burden from myself but
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they give this a really what the people who support my work want me doing with
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my time now they want me writing scripts they won't be making more videos and
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this is the part of being self employed in dealing with all the stuff that I
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just don't like I hate spending time on this this administrative stuff but it
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does need to be done at some point even if it's just because it's on your mind
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not because it's necessarily a problem in and of itself but I'm very much aware
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like the most valuable work that I can do this stuff that people like the best
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is not me just replying to emails its me making podcasts and and making videos
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but anyway that is done and now I am attempting to figure out how to build a
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new system that will manage that will last in the longer run it so that's why
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the topic suggestion thing and filtering more emails to my personal assistants
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are the first two pieces of of this is bright new future with email so I mean
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ideally now it's like trying to protect the system in which you then don't have
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to do what you just did again that's exactly right and also now I can have a
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better sense of what's happening
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yeah like how many like what's the I can have a much better sense of ok what is
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the minimum amount of time that I need to dedicate to this to keep it at a
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steady state where I can
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get it to empty on a you know every other week basis or whatever it now have
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a much better sense going forward what that's going to be working with a much
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more reasonable system so that's that's what I'm trying here I guess my my
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prototype here is if you're very behind on email start a podcast and tell the
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whole world about how behind an email you are that's the takeaway from this
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that's a really good take away which is up in a situation where you really
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embarrassed and so I am maintain what I said earlier this helps helps you
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whether whether you like to admit that it was help it was unwelcome help
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because it was embarrassment that it helped nonetheless yes but nonetheless I
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am at the bottom of my email now if you have heard at the time and/or considered
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email bankruptcy yes I have I've come across this and I am I am
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philosophically opposed to email Bankruptcy Court for listeners who may
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be unaware that I think maybe the best way to describe the email bankruptcy is
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it's just like bankruptcy in real life
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you're so far in debt with in this case not money but emails that need to be
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replied to that the only way forward is to just say I'm dumping all of this and
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starting afresh
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my email debt is being absolved by me declaring bankruptcy and we're just
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going to move forward and anything that's important
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will reappear at some point in the future I know that if I did that I would
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feel way worse about it because I I would also feel like I hadn't really
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solve the problem and I would feel like what i've what i've done is is swept a
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bunch of problems under the rug that then it then there's like an uncertainty
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of did a sweep something away that I really needed to see that wouldn't have
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and I'm not I'm not saying that you mail bankruptcy is never acceptable but it is
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not something that I would be comfortable dealing with I would much
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rather do what I've done which is take a bunch of time and say I'm doing nothing
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else except email and and get to the bottom of all of it and then feel like I
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have a genuine fresh start
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email bankruptcy feels a bit like stealing our fresh starts in a somewhat
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illegitimate way to me that's that's a bit of how it feels
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I can see why people do it but I can see why you wouldn't do it so I think the
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reason that I thought of this as well as like you were in it seemed to be in a
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situation in which the email that was in your inbox was never gonna get answer to
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continue to build in that in that world if that was what was going to occur
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email bankruptcy makes sense because you're never gonna get to those emails
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anyways so stop giving yourself the anxiety is in a number like that thats I
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think we're the idea come from for many people but the reason I can see that you
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take on the route that you've taken and on what you've done is it doesn't gel
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with you because it's like wall it's only just gonna happen again because all
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I'm doing is taking a temporary measure
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there is absolutely zero reason why my email inbox would not get back to a
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thousand if all I'm doing is just every six months deleting everything right
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because there's no new system it's just the exact same system but now you're
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starting from zero again I don't know where this comes from originally but
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there's a little saying that your daily system is perfectly designed to get
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exactly the results that you're getting and it's almost it's almost a
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definitional statement but if you are in a situation where you are getting more
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emails than you are you are responding to
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however you deal with the email that is your system and it is producing those
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results I get is perfectly designed to produce those results and so yes
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declaring e-mail bankruptcy is just going to get you the exact same
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thing later down the road I don't like the idea of just sweeping away these
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problems without actually facing them of just saying I'm just gonna push it all
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away and and hope it's hope its fine hope I hear from people again when I
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need to an inappropriate time scale and i mean that that does mean that I have I
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have applied to in the past few days some emails that were just
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embarrassingly late that's that's a bit uncomfortable to do but I still think I
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feel better about replying to something embarrassingly late then I feel about
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just sweeping it under the road and not replying to it if it is something that
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still needs a reply email has an expiration date
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here's a question for you Mike did you ever ever find it when you're working
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with large groups of people that there there are definitely problems that just
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if you wait long enough they do go away on their own right there there are
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problems that just kind of like I don't handle this it'll just get fixed by
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somebody else or it will just become irrelevant you know what I'm talking
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about great you have uncovered my top tips for working in a corporate
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environment oh yes as part of my job I did a few different things so my old
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life the most recent job that I had I worked in a bank doing marketing and I
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mention this last time
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email as part of my job I did they see a marketing direct mail so this is like
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the stuff that you received your letter box and also email marketing as well so
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we would be marked existing custom stuff we would send emails to people that was
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one of my jobs one of my other roles was also a bit of like Mad Men and systems
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processing for a different part of the business it was a dream job and I did
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this creative part of marketing but then also managing this like other marketing
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department it was strange but it was little I did I would get sent emails for
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things that nobody knew how to do so they sent it to me because they expected
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that I was the person that would
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have to do it you know like nobody else knows how to do this has to get done so
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I should send it to the guy that is going to affect the most of it doesn't
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get rights and send it to me a lot of those things I would read them and be
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like I don't know how to do this I don't want to have to learn so what I'm gonna
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do is delete this email and comes back in a few weeks there may be a look at it
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but if it doesn't come back it was never that point in the first place and that
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saved me so much time because I would just delete things and then if people
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say why didn't you do this I haven't got around to it like that was always my on
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services like I haven't seen this and then I would do with it but more often
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than not these things which has never come back because the executive who
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asked for it moved on and didn't carry you know all of these things in these
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big corporate environments such as stemmed by somebody in the management
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team asked a question and now everybody thinks there needs to be an answer to
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this question when really they would just asking the question
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yeah I very very frequently would do this and all if there was an email in my
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inbox or in a folder or something that I believed needed to be dealt with and it
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was already like three or four weeks pass the time they was sent and I had no
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chaser email gone just gone that people used to say to me like that how do you
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get all the work done that you do and also leave at 5 p.m. like I was the only
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person in my team that came in at nine let you know how do you say things and
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it was basically because I don't allow myself to get bogged down in things that
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I think of them that was how I survived a bunch of stuff basically part of your
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system was first contacted my coaches have had to happen twice so it didn't
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count pretty much if it was the fact that sounds if it was a thing that was
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like no one knows how to do this can you do this and you can pretty much assume
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that it got deleted it
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I don't do that anymore because every deleted email like that affect my
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business you know that that's that's as you say that we are now in very
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different situations but I was sitting here I'm trying to remember what it was
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but at some point in my teaching career I had a similar realization of a lot of
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these requests I can just ignore and I'll never hear about them ever again
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now that's not so much the case because people are contacting us directly
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because of the thing that we do but in groups there seems to be this thing
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where where you just get many more requests where it's clear that something
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popped into somebody's mind for a mere minute long enough to write you an email
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and then they they almost don't care about at the instant they're done
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writing the email and you learn to recognize those those kinds of requests
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the only thing that's coming to my mind was I never did but received a bunch of
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requests for was I get emails about how I was supposed to contact a parent about
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something related to their child and it wasn't apparent reaching out to me it
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was an administrator telling me that I should reach out to a parent about X
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how's that well the parent hasn't approached me I don't really know how
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much they care about this topic this just seems like something and
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administrator wants me to do and so I'll just never do this unless I hear about
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it again and in my entire career teaching I never once called a parent
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even though I I received many requests from administrators to call parents and
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I never heard about it ever I I honestly think this is one of the things were
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just popped into somebody's head oh you know you should call Susie's mom about
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whatever I like ok you know didn't do that never happened ever mattered and I
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could have been spending an hour on the phone several times a week calling to
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parents to talk about their precious darling and why they aren't performing
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perfectly in every possible way
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way however I wish I could remember more but that was that's the one that's
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clearly jumping into my head of like if I just ignored it goes away and clearly
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nobody cares not the parent not the student not the administrator is just an
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email that has appeared because these things do you mind would be a lot of
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like this item of literature is out of stock
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the last time it was ordered was six years ago the company that makes this
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doesn't exist anymore we need more of them and i feel like im not doing it
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sounds horrible home actually I do have a follow-up question for you something
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from last show that you mention offhandedly the part of your job was to
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send emails to millions of people and we never followed up on this yeah tell me
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about this that was it like the marketing stuff like I would be in
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charge of creating marketing campaigns that was sent out to the millions and
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millions of people in the customer base and so that's what you were doing you
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were sending those emails that I don't read from my bank about something being
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updated or some special promotion that was you I actually think that is
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literally was me I didn't know with you but the time but it literally was it was
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me so you know that first email maybe that was an email that you go from here
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getting stuff that I was bugging you if the most frequent question that came
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through after last week's episode was about having like segmenting email
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accounts basically so having secret email addresses
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family and friends using aliases so like saying i dunno CDP plus Pam at grade on
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that kind of thing right using the aliases or just having multiple email
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accounts to deal with certain things so you can more easily filter staff in just
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more easily get what you wanted
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do you have a system in place like this do you do anything like this I have I
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have seen a lot of advice on
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about doing this exact kind of thing have multiple email addresses for
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different kinds of contact that you are going to receive and in my experience
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this just doesn't work it doesn't work because ultimately I have to open up the
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email client on whatever device I'm using so I'm opening up mail on my Mac
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and even if I have segmented different emails I had one email I just for my
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family and I have one email address for business and this is a public contact
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form it's all going to the same program that I open at the same time anyway so
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it's you can't help but see everything that is there when I have accused only
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tried to do that have different email addresses I've always just found that it
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seems like it is mentally more work than simply having it all in the same place
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and I do have dozens of email addresses have collected over the years and all of
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them are doing this crazy forwarding chain whereas I have a have created new
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ones and eventually abandon them I sent them to forward to what is the more
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current email address so it all filters back to the same place now but I think
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people who have known me for a very long time if they send me one of my older
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than me a message one of my older he addresses it probably goes through three
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or four email addresses that all Eve say oh forward to this one now over to this
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one now before it ends up at what is my current email address so I don't know is
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it feels more it feels more honest and it feels more easy to manage to just
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have it all end up in one account and then to try and use Smart Filters or
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rules on that one
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account that just feels way more straightforward than trying to manage of
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bunch of accounts and then also managed rules may be on those are Smart Filters
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it just doesn't it seem like duplicates seems like duplicate work and plus I
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know people who have secret contact email addresses that you're supposed to
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do you get in touch with them but then this also becomes a problem of now you
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have a secret icky for now you have to remember which email address you're
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supposed to use to get in touch with that person
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it also like it puts a burden of effort on everyone else who is contacting you
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in some way so I it's almost like it like it's almost like and security
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through obscurity measure to have secret email addresses
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well there eventually they're eventually going to be not secret they're
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eventually going to spread out and then you just have to do the whole thing over
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again so that that's why I'm much more focused on trying to have a system that
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just works for all of my email and I don't I don't find segment in that stuff
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works very well but I mean I know you have this view email addresses do you
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segmented like do you find this useful to do or do you have it all go to one
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place as well it all goes to one place because you do the same as me
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yeah although I don't really have many filters in place the only filters I have
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is for stuff to go immediately archive which tends to be notifications of
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things so like for example I want them there in case I need to search for them
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but I don't ever wanna see them directly I have a ton of stuff that doesn't as
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well so late but my thing is my my reason I don't have this and I can
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totally see why it works for some people but my main problem with email is the
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psychological burden it places on me
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rights are seeing the number this doesn't fix that because I would still
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be adding all of those email accounts the same email app right because I'm
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always going to see even if I just go into one inbox I'm still gonna see that
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number on the big embarks which is exactly the same as the problem I have
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now and then you could start game really crazy right so I use mailed out for this
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email account and that's never gonna work for me because they will now have
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to have 6 tabs open and it's just a nightmare because I can totally see why
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some people do it you are perfectly right that the only way this is
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practical as if you are also willing to use multiple email applications and that
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is a bridge that I am
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simply not willing to cross as it is I used to things for email and that's what
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that's already more than I really want to and the only reason that I used to is
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because on iOS I have draft set up as a kind of phone email account that allows
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me to send a message to someone without having to open up and look at my own
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email account and I do the same thing on the Mac with airmail it's called which I
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have set up as an outgoing only email account so I don't have to open up like
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look at the look at all the stuff that is coming to me if I just I want to send
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an email to someone that's as close as unwilling to get to actually using
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multiple email accounts are both email apps and really that's just like using
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1.1 mail apps so yes I am not willing to have multiple ones and that's the only
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way I think that having multiple email addresses is helpful in segmenting way
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in the same way that slack is segmented for our communication you need to have a
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lot happened I just rather deal with the email all in one place in a consistent
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think it is ugly whereas I I like the fact that mel is relatively clean does
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I I use these I actually do like that I feel like I'm the only person who likes
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just some key strokes that will automatically do things to a message so
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archive that message but will also make sure to clear any flags that are on that
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message or and to make sure that the messages on red because sometimes I
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actually archives something so quickly that it doesn't pass the like three
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second timer yes this is an unread message I just wanna make sure that if
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something low that I immediately go like nope boom in the archive I don't want
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the archive to be cleared up with random messages that are still marked as unread
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that that is that is a handy little thing that I use the fastest archiver in
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the west it doesn't even have time to recognize it but yes that's male act on
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a big fan of that I I quite like that on the Mac so you said you don't like Gmail
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do you use Gmail for your web email hosting do something different I used
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Gmail for years and then when I say it was maybe six months or a year ago now
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a disaster is problem with Gmail and Mail talking to each other which Apple
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yes yeah there was an update astound basically meant they could be just
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couldn't use Gmail email anymore that was why a lot of people don't use man
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that's why I stopped using the mail was because he couldn't get my email and
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more service like well I'm gonna go if you're using male I can wholeheartedly
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recommend using Gmail with it but it wasn't I did run into that problem where
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you couldn't access it I ran into problems where and my feeling is I don't
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care whose fault is it I don't care if it was Apple's fault I don't care for
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his Gmail so I just ran into this problem where anyone know how to
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system that I need to reply to and that at some point all of those flags got
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lost the way gmail works is that you just have all of the messages in one
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giant archive and it kind of smart pulls out the ones that are flags you can just
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see them the flag ones are in in an actual separate folder that you can just
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go and look and so if you lose the flags you those messages are just lost among
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the tens and tens of thousands of emails that are in your whole archive you never
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going to find them again and so I had a big chunk of flag messages to reply to a
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lost all those flags and that without was my you know what the way gmail works
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with its funny it is I map but it isn't really I'm a bit like I'm done with this
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I want to have a system where it's folders and I know that I am putting
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messages in those folders and they're just they're just there I don't want any
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of this fancy gmail stuff that I don't even use anyway so I switched over and
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happening behind the scenes I is I pay fast mail now
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to provide the service which is just a standard IMAP client so that's what I'm
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currently using and I'm very very happy with it I'm very happy with it when we
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feels very well did something went wrong somewhere but what was happening was
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people then sty to email me like potential sponsors whose very early in
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the company and the emails were bouncing and I basically said we need to do to
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change his right now like this needs to be fixed I will not allow this to happen
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again and then moved to Gmail and we have Google ads in that also allowed me
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to because I wanted to be able to try all of the fancy email apps that
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integrate gmail like me and I couldn't use those if I was using third-party
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providers so we used Google Apps and I use mailboxes my
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things straight away
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boy seemed to be getting a lot of spam and this is this is weird fast mail has
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some very bizarre default settings for how it handles spam and I always want to
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reach out to the people at fast you know if you change the defaults for the way
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you handle this would be much better but there is a way in the settings if you do
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use fast mail to tell it here fast mail look at my archive of messages and those
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messages learn them is not spam and for some reason I don't know why it does
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that it it it's just trying to evaluate spam in the abstract against the whole
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internet I guess whereas it's it's it's not like Gmail does by default looking
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person if you sign up with that smell make sure to go into
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the settings and tell it like yes please look at my archive of messages and learn
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what is and is not spam to me and ever since I did that I haven't had any
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problems but the default setup is a bit is a bit weird you do get a lot of a lot
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of spam so I think they need they need to work on that but otherwise I'm I'm
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quite happy with it on your phone and on your iPad I assume you're busy use mail
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but then you also mentioned having drafts as like this
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send only email account how did this come to be I don't know I wanted to
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solve that problem of I have thought of a thing and I want to send a message to
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somebody but I don't want to open up my email and get distracted by things that
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are in there I realized oh if I set up a separate email address which is
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basically you know my email address . mobile right that I can send messages
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from there but then the dot mobile address its rule is to forward
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everything to my real address so if I send somebody an email from I dot mobile
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one they can reply to it and it will go to my real out my real email address it
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won't go back to the mobile one so that way the mobile email address is always
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clear like there's nothing that's in there because it sends outgoing messages
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and it redirects everything that is coming in I did find that very useful
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for ok I want to send a message I don't want to get distracted by all of my
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email do you have configured in a different way on your iPod like you I
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definitely seems to be four you like a dream email device right it's the one
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that I use the most I wouldn't say that it's a dream email device because all
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email is ultimately a nightmare but
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but but I find it is that it is the one where it is the least stressful way to
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deal with email that's that's the way I would describe it it's the cleanest and
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it's the simplest way of dealing with the email but it is not always the most
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convenient because sometimes an email you'll need to attach something all need
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to look something up and then on the iPad that can become kind of a pain in
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the butt but all things being equal I would rather do you mail my iPad have
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you ever tried anything like Google Inbox on mailbox basically something
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that can categorize email on your behalf if you ever tried to do these services
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because I have so many email addresses many of them are Gmail addresses and so
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yes I have tried playing around with all of the various plugs into Gmail
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different services and I think those things are a lot like to do apps now if
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you look on the App Store there are a bazillion different to do abs and you
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have to find a to-do app that just fits with your mind very well and there are
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just people think about their to do is in very different ways where one app is
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good for someone and it's it's a 10 it's a terrible fit for somebody else I think
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a lot of these Gmail apps like inbox or like mailbox if they happened to line up
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with the way you think about email then they're amazing but if they don't fit
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the shape of your mind then they are terrible and so some of the features in
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mailbox about you can press a button and say oh I could boomerang this back to me
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in a week I don't want to see this now but but make it look as though this
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message just got sent to me and you in a week
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something about that just does not fit my mind at all and in box on the other
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on the other end of that I feel like inbox is trying to do too many things
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automatically and I just I don't like that as well but for it for the right
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people the impression that I get his those different services are just
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amazing if it matches up with your mind in the same way that if you find it to
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do manager that may
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matches with your mind you feel like I think this is exactly what I'm looking
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so that that's that's kind of my thought on those things I'm not really very
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comfortable with an at that tries to make decisions on my behalf site that's
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how I feel within boxes it's like he's doing much like its categorizing things
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and moving things around and putting things in this hidden folder and I don't
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really like that but I am like the exact opposite you not my favorite feature of
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mailboxes the idea that I can take an email and say show me that in a week
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right and that's because I I really hate to see email in my inbox I like to be
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able to clear it because it makes my mind for a bit clearer if when I go to
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me that there's not one hundred things in there and there's some things are
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just like well there is something in here that I need to do this person says
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you know about this in July well I can then just set a thing which says on july
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first bring us email back and that really works for me also as I could just
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a way of like just get rid of this today cuz I'm not gonna do with us today I
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don't wanna keep seeing it today show me later on that later and I quite like
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that that was me and that is an element of a lot of people really really don't
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like if using your emails like a task list but quite frequently my email inbox
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is a task list and i also there's no way around that
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yeah so I whilst I use on the focus like to try and never gave much to do things
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like that there is still stuff in my email inbox which are tasks that need to
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be completed so sometimes it's just easier for me to just be like ok I would
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revisit asked how come back to it later
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mailboxes have more stuff like allowing you to create lists and things like that
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with the email but I also quite like the fact that you can
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reorder emails while so bring that one down one up that was like mailbox I
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always feel like email is its own separate universe when it comes to all
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kinds of problems that are related to getting things done in organizing your
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life and task management I've just always felt like email is is a as a
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completely separate thing from that needs to be dealt with in its own way
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and so I just feel like I've used broadly getting things done kind of
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system but I've always ended up partially re-creating that within email
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because it is just so self-contained and also so big that when you mentioned like
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Oh send us email back to me in a month
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my version of doing that is I have a folder called waiting for that any of
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those oh I need to reply to this but not in any immediate time frame I put those
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messages in there and then I just have a I have a listed them because it's a it's
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too much overhead to then go into my regular task management program and say
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oh create a task to reply to this because then in the future me then going
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to need to search for that email you need some way to manage all of this
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stuff is just it's such a big it's such a big thing but yes I am I my version of
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that is just have a folder and I prefer to see all of those things there whereas
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with something like mailbox I always have this feeling of how many males have
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a boomerang to myself when are they gonna come back I don't know you can see
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it now yes they have a listed as a little button you just press in the way
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that their app is is navigated they have three buttons along the very top they
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have a clock on a mountain in tray and then a tech and then the clock is the
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snoozed email and the one in the middle the interest in box and then there's the
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little tick which is the study of archived interesting interesting I
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missed that that's better
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my issue with what you're doing is like how do you know when any of those emails
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need to be action on they just sit in this list and it's like you have to go
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into the mall to find out when you're welcome
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them yeah that's that's that is definitely the problem and so I do have
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to review that every once in a while but you're the way of mailbox boomerang
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something back he was much more precise presuming that you check your email
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frequently you check it every day about the situation that I was in but yes but
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this is what I mean it's like we're doing similar things in slightly
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different ways and that's why it's just if the app fits your mind it's great
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yeah that's why I'm not against those things but I just haven't found one that
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fits my mind and that's why it's so difficult to suggest to somebody to use
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a different email lab because it just doesn't gel with your way of thinking
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it's never going to potentially we have reached the end of talking about email
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we're at least done for now we're done forever now so I want it will talk about
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your iPad a moment ago and I noticed that about some of the new iOS 9
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features so I assume you've installed the public paid her on your iPod yes we
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discussed earlier episode that I was going to wait for the public beta and it
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came out of nowhere was it a week ago two weeks ago and I immediately
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installed it on my iPad because I want to check things out and I'm really
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liking it so far I'm really liking it definitely feels like this is this is
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the iPad focused iOS updates and since I'm a very heavy iPad user I am pretty
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happy with with that have you installed on all counts
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know Mike Dunn started on all of my iPad ok so i think is right about that
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question is I know that it sounds like I am poking fun at you and there is a very
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small but I'm surprised to hear that you haven't done it because now like they
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are not the same like your your your iPad's now have different functionality
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well partly why I put it on my iPad air too and that is because I want to be
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able to test the feature that are most interesting to me which is to be able to
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do the app side by side so you only have 1 I've had it yes I only have one here
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to guide you can't blame me as being the crazy one here it's impossible for me to
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know because you have so many of the only have one of each kind that I have I
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don't have multiples of the same kind that a bridge too far so I just have the
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one iPad air to install the public paid on that and I also knew that this was a
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good time to do it because I was going to be traveling shortly and I only bring
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one iPad with me when I travel so I was going to bring the iPad air too and so
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that all this this is a good time because then I won't be switching back
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and forth between devices and get frustrated with things and I can just I
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can just try it out so that's that's what I have been doing that's my
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situation that answer what you want to know about which iPads yeah I think so
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yeah I know I am surprised that you don't have one in the case and wanting a
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carrying case something gets lost but now I just need to do that now I haven't
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no I haven't done that haven't done that yet the redundancy too far so the at
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like the the multitasking features like being able to have two apps open a time
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I see him that you're probably getting some use out of this because you use a
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few of Apple's official app sorry because at the moment as we are where we
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are today the only adds that this works with Apple's mobile applications where
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later on third parties will be able to integrate this functionality and you'll
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be able to use only focus and fantastical
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yeah I'm really looking forward to the third party ones using it and I wanted
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to play with it because it's just it's just different handling something that
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thinking about it in a conceptual way to be able to be able to play with it in
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person and say ok this is how it feels when you start to act together this is
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what the size looks like right in front of my face you get a much better sense
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of it than watching craig Venter et do a demo of it and wonder how it's also
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useful to to understand the limitations of how it really works that when you see
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a demo it's very easy for your brain to fill in a lot of details that then you
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later on realize like oh it doesn't quite work like that or oh I just made
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this assumption so I wanted to play with it just to get a much clearer sense
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sooner about how potentially useful it can be and my answer is is very well
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because I use a lot of third-party apps what I can actually do with it right now
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is quite limited but the few times something has come up I thought oh this
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is just great stuff I am say looking at something I know on a web page but I'm
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also busy instant messaging with someone
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man is it a relief to just have both of those on the screen instead of having to
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constantly like flip back and forth to reply to the person I can just have the
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ongoing conversation and keep doing what I'm doing like that is that is great
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even just with the built-in apps so I'm a huge fan of that but by far and away
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my favorite feature is that the all tab switcher is on the iPad is is just
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glorious to me ever since I connected a keyboard to an iPad for the first time I
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have I just constantly hit Alt Tab to switch between things and it does
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nothing and it's always been infuriating that's not there on the iPad and this
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works now and feel like God a relief because I'm a very very heavy keyboard
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user I try to use the mouse
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the least amount possible and so yes up on my regular computer I'm always just
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alt tabbing between stuff I never use the mouse to switch applications and so
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I am really happy that it's on the iPad I would I would upgrade to iOS 9
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immediately and they could charge 20 bucks for that upgrade if it only had
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the all tab switch be like yes Tim Cook take my money
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20 bucks just for the all tabs which are nothing else great this is the best iOS
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update ever that and like the old tapping and like the Ave APT
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side-by-side I think that they're they're definitely like you mentioned
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before it makes things feel faster on the iPad like going from apt to apt at
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and one of the things I've noticed as well I'm wondering if you've noticed
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this you know when you click the girl that you could it would open another
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application and it may do that thing where is like the appt went away and
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likes pan around and here comes the next they have now replaces have just at
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slides in from the side and it may I love that it makes so much faster and I
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just want to point out before we carry on this is how was on Android that is
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the animation before people mention that and also like the fact that there is
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persistent back button now has an Android so they are good things have
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come from a droid 2 it definitely helps because it doesn't feel like let me just
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wait for you I paused for a moment while you spend some apps around especially
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with some of the things like that we both use like bumps into pro which are
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basically there to open up other applications sometimes you feel like
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you're waiting for weeks whilst sustaining round and round and round
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yeah this is a case where I bet that the slide over thing it might not actually
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be any faster or just in significantly faster than the swap around application
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but it just feels so much faster than watching them go like oh here you know
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the one in the front goes to the back and the one in the back come to the
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front you know maybe it's a tenth of a second or two tenths of a second
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actually faster but something about that animation just feels so much faster and
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the the good it's just a good user interface design and they took that from
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Android Great Clips is really nice it is much much improved and as I also agree
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that the label the back button at the top is very nice so when you go into a
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different app at the at the top left of the screen it'll say like click to
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return to Safari if if safari is where you were last that is also very nice it
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definitely feels like moving around and switching between applications is vastly
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vastly improved and you tried the picture-in-picture videos or I just
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played around with it but no i i haven't done that is mainly because I don't tend
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to watch video very much on my iPad so I haven't had a chance to really play with
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that in person i just want to see that it worked and I was showing it off to my
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wife and she heard all this is the greatest thing ever this moving around
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video picture in picture thing but I haven't used it much myself I love it
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but you can only use it with the videos out now right there is anything and
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Safari interesting it's just it's fantastic like so I can be there might
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be like say like this like a YouTube video something I want to watch but I'm
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not like I don't need to be like super engrossed in like her like a let's play
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and yes something long that you want in the background that is also primarily
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audio content yeah all that just doesn't require a ton of attention or maybe I
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can have that video playing and be reading Twitter at the same time and
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it's like or one other thing I've been able to do is to be able to take notes
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on a video which I do a lot right stuff and it's like this is just fantastic for
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that because it it still enables you to have the focused and iPad gives you
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because you can only see the video on the one application
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and so it still allows me anyway to feel like I'm really focused on it using it
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on my laptop which is like buzzing and bringing throwing things all over the
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place so I really like that feature and I guess the last one i think is good for
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you I love it to use to transit stuff transit maps yet because I haven't been
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in London I haven't had a chance to use this directly but I did look at it and I
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thought oh wow it's nice to see that for the major train stations they have you
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exact entrances and exits labels that makes a huge difference because I mean
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some of the stations like you go to you go to Kings Cross st. Pancras in London
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I mean that's just like a massive to train stations interconnected with each
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other big big problem and when map which show it as a single . it was just a lot
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I going to that single dot you might be 20,000 minutes away from where you're
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trying to go I think I think that's that's a really big deal and its I was
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just looking at the train station that I know well and thinking yes they got they
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got this exactly right and some of the tricky little details about you know
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where we're entrances are awake and walk it looks like they have that they have a
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really pat down I'd be curious know where they pulled that data from it
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looks looks very useful especially for anybody getting around in a city that
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they're not familiar with i genuinely think that that data comes from humans
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has to it has to it's very limited the transit maps are only a handful of
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cities except in China where as in every single one of them has apparently they
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they have all this data like it's really easy to transit mapping and China
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because they have one company that manages all of the data unlike some
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other cities where you have to get it from a couple of different sources but I
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think that a lot of this entrance and exit staff to me for only could be human
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collected because otherwise Google would user like if it just came from under
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like one of the
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companies a whole system and licenses like the timing things like that trains
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if they had this data than other people will think you're I think you're right I
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think you're an apple might have just paid people to do it but this is
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something like I use Google Maps and I really like Google Maps because Apple
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maps can be kind of one key for me in certain areas but I look at it and now
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I'm probably least in the meantime gonna switch to use it sometimes I want
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directions on my watch because the integration with the ones is really good
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but now might that transit stuff like that is fantastic i I really really like
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their transit maps so I only have I was on my iPad right now I don't have but I
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thinking that that would be something that I would use a lot of fun yeah I was
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knocking install the public be damned iPhone especially while traveling and
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the phone is to vital it doesn't mean I'm not going to definitely not going to
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do that but on the iPad was it was fun to do in and fun to play around with so
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big thumbs up from me for the iOS 9 beta so far I'm really liking it I was not
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approved yes
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all right we're gonna cut the show here I think we are indeed right because
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we're not going to do
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questions cuz you when I are actually going to record tomorrow and do a whole
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bunch of questions because of the Traveling that I'm doing so in listener
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time they were here as in a week but I am going to hear you in less than 24
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hours so excited
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it is a thing that is happening
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