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Cortex 7: Ultimately a Nightmare

 

  are you ready to do this thing I am alright let's get started now really get [TS]

  started [TS]

  perfect start destroying everything is great how you feelin I'm jetlagged I'm [TS]

  tired so I apologize to listen to him a little bit off my game today but I have [TS]

  recently flown from london to the United States to visit some family so I'm [TS]

  currently recording from a remote location in North Carolina using some [TS]

  duplicate equipment that I had stashed here but yes I have just recently [TS]

  changed many time zones and I'm feeling a bit light headed and off in the way [TS]

  that I always do whenever I change time zones so yes that's why I feel the need [TS]

  to apologize to listeners straight out of the gate this morning I booked and [TS]

  traveled on flights for a conference I'm going to in October and i'm looking to [TS]

  be there for four days and I looked at the kind of the times I'm flying in from [TS]

  coming home and realizing how horrible it's gonna be where is this conference [TS]

  Indianapolis Indianapolis ok so the flight going there isn't too bad I just [TS]

  have to stay awake until the evening will leave at like 10 a.m. here and 12 [TS]

  hour flight and then I have to maybe do a kind of a five or six hours a week so [TS]

  I can live with that but the flight coming home [TS]

  arrived back in England at 6 a.m. and it's like well I now know that I'll be [TS]

  useless for days after the yes I know those arriving early in London flights [TS]

  and you just you just have to write off the next week I'm going to be a crazy [TS]

  zombie when I come back from indianapolis i think is in one of those [TS]

  funny little time zones I think it's not on the East Coast central and mountain [TS]

  time [TS]

  yeah one of those two times and everyone just forgets about everyone who lives on [TS]

  the coast that is but what makes this worse though maybe better to look at it [TS]

  I'm also gonna be in Portland in September so I can't think about that [TS]

  right [TS]

  late September Portland back for like maybe three weeks and then going back [TS]

  out to the states again [TS]

  I may as well just to shut down the business in August just [TS]

  yes just really will go off the air for two months [TS]

  September and October I went nowhere I am jet lag is is so much worse now that [TS]

  I'm self-employed because I give in to it when I used to work at a job right I [TS]

  would it was like well ok I know you've only slept for one hour but its a.m. now [TS]

  see you have to to get up and go to work but now it's like just sleep until 4 [TS]

  p.m. you lazy bum is no one stopping me like that was something I had recently [TS]

  when I came back from the states in just one day I just fell asleep at two in the [TS]

  afternoon and then when I was intending to be working just a disaster if we [TS]

  talked last time about how I always think that I'm going to do those [TS]

  tutorial videos for the video games that I play and when I take the flight back [TS]

  from London and I usually arrive early in the morning every time I think the [TS]

  same thing which is okay I've arrived in the morning I'm just going to stay awake [TS]

  because that's the most reasonable thing to do sure I've been up all night and on [TS]

  on an uncomfortable airplane but it would if I can just stay up all day when [TS]

  I arrived at 6 a.m. then I'll be right back into the swing of things tomorrow [TS]

  and without fail at some point during the day I slipped into unconsciousness [TS]

  without even being aware of its wake up in the middle of the night [TS]

  wide awake in London it's just it never fails that I hope again always [TS]

  overestimate myself let go this time I really will stay awake how how often [TS]

  have we ever done this brain oh never never is how often we've done this but [TS]

  this time it will be different this time we really will stay awake so yes I have [TS]

  always planned my going back around around jet lag but there's this this we [TS]

  will talk about it more I think next time but this whole trip of mine is [TS]

  there are many more flights coming which I'm not looking forward to this is just [TS]

  the beginning of many more flights and many more visits in America so there [TS]

  there will be much jet lag [TS]

  said that next week with a little bit more about traveling generalizing yes so [TS]

  we had we had some follow-up there was a surprising amount of follow-up related [TS]

  to let's play video gaming there was more follow-up about the let's play [TS]

  videos than it was about the email section which was very surprising to me [TS]

  and it it just shows the sometimes you really cannot estimate war people wanted [TS]

  here or what they're interested in hearing about this very interesting this [TS]

  is the lesson I have learned from the internet is I am terrible at guessing [TS]

  what the things people are going to be interested in our when I put up a video [TS]

  very often people are discussing some part that I thought was incidental but [TS]

  for whatever cap captures people's attention and when you have a big forum [TS]

  like on Reddit where you can see what people are discussing it was always [TS]

  aware that that it is so often not whatever the sensible main topic was it [TS]

  something else that catches people's people's interest whether the videos or [TS]

  whether it's it's podcast and that's one of the reasons why I really do like to [TS]

  see the feedback to see what are people talking about and based on the last [TS]

  episode we should have some kind of let's play segment of the show every [TS]

  time because everybody wanted to talk about even though I could not have made [TS]

  it any more clear in that episode that I know basically nothing about let's play [TS]

  maybe if we ever do in experimental season at the show we could just mean [TS]

  you could just do let's play in to see an end in theory would have liked a [TS]

  million listeners is it just seems that many things about yeah we don't have we [TS]

  don't really have a lot of addressable follow up the basically if because again [TS]

  we know nothing about this time literally nothing but if you want to get [TS]

  some good video game suggestions you should go to the thread for that [TS]

  observed that absent a part in the show notes again because there was lots of [TS]

  really interesting the against up [TS]

  that people should play and this probably I would be surprised if it's [TS]

  not a couple of new things on your list are so there was one really great [TS]

  comment and the comment was much longer than the part I'm gonna read out and it [TS]

  was from gannett jericho then it was talking about about gaming and PewDiePie [TS]

  and the way that people are perceived like celebrities and stuff like that and [TS]

  they said an hour I really like to quote and thought you liked it as well [TS]

  people in the public I get paid the amount that they do because we value [TS]

  what they produce and you might take issue with the fact that society values [TS]

  of football coach more than a laureate but the fact of the matter is there more [TS]

  football fans and science answer economic sense and they're apparently [TS]

  more gaming fans pie gets to reap and it was really interesting as it is kinda [TS]

  just like ya is weird that the guy who screams about video games makes millions [TS]

  of dollars a year but it's where the audiences and it's what people are [TS]

  interested in so that's kind of yeah it is a good point about the relative [TS]

  audience size because yes he's making millions of dollars a year but there are [TS]

  hundreds of millions of intense video game fans worldwide [TS]

  I feel like it you are you are much younger than me Mike you might not have [TS]

  this the same feeling but I am aware that I think the video game industry has [TS]

  gone so much from becoming far from being a kid pastime to now being an [TS]

  acceptable part of mainstream culture and its it is it is a powerful force to [TS]

  be reckoned with in the same way that the movie industry is a huge business [TS]

  that uses up lots of people's time and isn't it interesting that he liked to [TS]

  have seen that that change over my lifetime that now people like my age who [TS]

  grew up playing Nintendo Super Nintendo it like well we're now adults and we [TS]

  have money to spend and leisure time that we want to use [TS]

  use and it's all contributing to this enormous video game economy and that's [TS]

  how I still sometimes catch myself feeling like video games are a marginal [TS]

  part of the culture but they are long long past that now and that's that's [TS]

  partly why PewDiePie is an interesting intersection in that it feels like how [TS]

  can there be so many people watching him play video games and like all right it's [TS]

  like asking how can there be so many people who watch movies like it's just a [TS]

  huge part of the world now but it but I think that I can still sometimes [TS]

  underestimate that because it was it was not like that when I was a kid there [TS]

  were no adults who played video games when I was a kid i mean it's interesting [TS]

  hollywood had a great comparison because the debates economic seem to match up [TS]

  lake there are the blockbusters which everybody waves right like Call of Duty [TS]

  for example there are like middle of the road stuffed a bunch of Cindy things [TS]

  every small fraction dude its place and its [TS]

  yes very with the movie industry really interest me and I think they also match [TS]

  in a way that unlike the world of literature most games have to be multi [TS]

  people projects and you can't make a movie with just one person and the the [TS]

  vast bulk of games except for the smallest of small indie projects like [TS]

  you have to have a team of people working on it is I think that they are [TS]

  interesting Lee comparable industries in a bunch of waves I totally get why [TS]

  people get upset that it's like you know such and such person is doing a really [TS]

  important thing trying to teach people were trying to help you manage it [TS]

  doesn't make any money but it's kinda just like well what can you do that just [TS]

  isn't the amount of people out there to give that scientists the money so it's [TS]

  like for as long as the public perception of his long as a lot of [TS]

  people in the world want to listen to a PewDiePie says he deserves the money was [TS]

  given time [TS]

  yeah and I used to be one of these guys as well I remember a younger version of [TS]

  me would be really frustrated with situations like why does the football [TS]

  team get so much funding and the library doesn't and i think is I've gotten older [TS]

  I've become more accepting [TS]

  of those situations and realizing oh right of course that to a university or [TS]

  to a school football team is actually quite valuable public relations asset [TS]

  and it draws a lot of it is not how valuable you think it is it's it's how [TS]

  valuable it is to the wider audience of people who have vastly different [TS]

  preferences than just you and so I guess I like books and I like the library but [TS]

  a school or university isn't necessarily a signing funding based entirely on my [TS]

  preferences or entirely on the likes of the super long term value of what a kid [TS]

  my read in a library and then what happens fifty years down the road it's [TS]

  like the football team is an asset now in a in a very tangible very tangible [TS]

  way so yeah I i I have relaxed about this but I used to get wound up over the [TS]

  exact same kind of things why are in scientists paid more and why are [TS]

  celebrities paid enormous amounts of money and I think I said last time it we [TS]

  might want the situation where scientists who think I'm arguably [TS]

  contribute more to the long-term value of society than people who make movies [TS]

  you might want them to get paid more but but one thing that is is a bit like [TS]

  fight fighting the laws of physics I'm I want gravity to be stronger or weaker [TS]

  but it doesn't it doesn't matter I can rail against that all day and nothing is [TS]

  nothing is going to change that if you were looking at market forces it's very [TS]

  hard to move those things around so I wanted to address some email stuff with [TS]

  you today we're doing this again you were doing this again I'm not finished [TS]

  I do not believe there is one thing that you seem to to love which is receiving [TS]

  email the kids you you you instigate in a new topic suggestions but I'll come [TS]

  back to in a moment but for some reason then received via email [TS]

  every single suggestion that anybody sent you will happen [TS]

  back up from here we discussed last time how many email was not working very well [TS]

  for me and I made the point which i think for many of the things that I'm [TS]

  engaged enough they don't believe in the notion of just trying harder if [TS]

  something isn't working I believe very much and trying to change the system so [TS]

  that you get more of the results that that you want and so I was thinking [TS]

  about this cuz it we did that last episode because he had come to a kind of [TS]

  head as a problem for me and i was thinkin ok what can I what can I do to [TS]

  try to stem mclean change some of this stuff and so one of the things I thought [TS]

  was I get a lot of emails from people who are just ultimately they're [TS]

  suggesting topics to me so that ok is there a way that I can pull this out of [TS]

  you mail into a different format that is maybe easier for people to use and also [TS]

  easier for me to receive and so I thought ok I played around a little bit [TS]

  and I realized I could use Google has an option where you can set up forms that [TS]

  people can fill out and then it adds the the information they have filled out [TS]

  into a spreadsheet in Google Docs so that ok great I'll say this about my [TS]

  website not just trial it out I'll just see how this goes [TS]

  so on my website now if you go to whatever is the topic suggestions page [TS]

  there's a link somewhere on the site there's a single line where it says what [TS]

  would you like CGP grey to make a video about and just a little space for people [TS]

  to write something in and they can hit submit and then that goes into the [TS]

  spreadsheet for me and I was looking at the results as I was testing out that ok [TS]

  this is actually way more useful to me because I can look at this much more [TS]

  quickly because people don't feel the need to wrap their topic suggestion in a [TS]

  lot of paragraphs of other stuff [TS]

  wearing an email that I get some time [TS]

  ultimately a topic suggestion there's a little bit of a warm up and then there's [TS]

  a little bit of a goodbye in that email where is here now it's like ok great you [TS]

  just written two or three words about what you want the thing to be so I can [TS]

  go through this much faster I can look at it and it's much more comprehensible [TS]

  much more quickly and I'm also not changing moods like I mentioned last [TS]

  time with the email it's like i'm looking at the spreadsheet and i'm [TS]

  looking at topic suggestions in this is the thing that I'm doing I'm not [TS]

  receiving topic suggestions in between a whole bunch of other stuff so all of [TS]

  this was fine and dandy and I thought oh great this is working to perfect and I [TS]

  went away for a while and I came back a few hours later and discovered that I [TS]

  had not realized that while I was sitting there really chuffed with myself [TS]

  for how clever I was the solution everyone does say that I came back and I [TS]

  open my email and I panic from my email and I saw the little one red badge zip [TS]

  up to something over a thousand messages I thought what what the heck is this [TS]

  what happened I look at my email inbox and sure enough I didn't realize that [TS]

  the default setting was not only to add the topic suggestion to the spreadsheet [TS]

  but also to email me the topics and so I had gotten over the course of a couple [TS]

  hours now and emails dumped into my email inbox all of which were just [TS]

  copies of what I had already been looking at in the spreadsheet in seeing [TS]

  how everything was was going like this is exactly the opposite of what I wanted [TS]

  luckily it was a relatively quick fix to take care of that to tell the tell the [TS]

  suggestion box please stop emailing me and also to clear all of those out in it [TS]

  in a systematic way because they were all very similar it's easy to pull them [TS]

  pull them apart but it was an unwelcome surprise and not not what I was [TS]

  expecting and I was I was very much worried about my email inbox your heart [TS]

  got a little weak that day [TS]

  making email better to know you have made it worse than you can ever imagine [TS]

  yes but but overall I am happy with this change will have instituted and it is [TS]

  definitely an improvement so far so this is this is a little piece of changing [TS]

  the system not simply telling myself oo go through emails even faster and harder [TS]

  than I ever have before so I like the way this is working right now this [TS]

  spreadsheet so so good thing you can give to someone be like things are [TS]

  duplicates remover things on just never gonna touch and then tell me what's in [TS]

  what's good in here [TS]

  oh yeah there are many things that you can do with this many things you can do [TS]

  with it when it's now data in a format and i actually I was just looking [TS]

  through it to get a sense of what people were saying but you can also do [TS]

  something like oh let me just run a word frequency analysis on this [TS]

  to get a sense of overall what are the things that are people talking about [TS]

  here there are just a very many options for for this now in a way that you [TS]

  couldn't do that easily with email and alongside this you've also instituted a [TS]

  new contact City be great page website which has a little forum on it which is [TS]

  clearly a novel way for you to try and make some sort of change to email [TS]

  yes exactly so I have also set up a form that people can fill out which is a real [TS]

  email form now so we can put in their name and they can put in their email [TS]

  address and write a little message and this does not go to me this goes to my [TS]

  personal assistant who is then filtering and dealing with the use as they are [TS]

  coming in and we're figuring out now you know how does this work and what exactly [TS]

  the rules are going to be but yes this is a way to take off some burden of [TS]

  contact from me and to try to have somebody else whole out actionable stuff [TS]

  and summarize it for me so this is this is a relatively new and we're just [TS]

  trying this out but you seemed a little bit insecure the copyright [TS]

  that you were a little bit not sure about this so here's the part where it's [TS]

  just almost impossible not to sound like a self-important douchebag where you [TS]

  you're trying to do things that are conflicting I am attempting in one way [TS]

  to make it easier for people to reach me because this is the alternative to your [TS]

  email has gone into an endless black hole that I will never look at right now [TS]

  now so in this way there it's easier because yes an actual person will look [TS]

  at look at your email but at the same time in trying to make something easier [TS]

  it is also there's no way to get around the fact that I'm setting up a barrier [TS]

  is well like it's not going directly to me it's going to another person who may [TS]

  then pass it on to me or may respond to you directly and so is trying to figure [TS]

  out how to write the copy on this page of being honest about what this is no [TS]

  you're not sending me an email directly it's going to my assistant but without [TS]

  sounding like oh I'm so bored and I can't read your email but please send me [TS]

  emails anyway because it's just great there's I think there is simply no way [TS]

  to accomplish that task completely impossible because there's no there's no [TS]

  like humble way to say I can't read your email has to go to the system is just no [TS]

  way you can word that yeah it's it sounds like a normal human yeah it is [TS]

  just impossible it's just impossible and so I tried to make it like a little bit [TS]

  funny and also to try to make it as short as humanly possible because yes [TS]

  there's no good way to to do this but it is up there it's an option for people to [TS]

  send me emails I have noticed something interesting so far about these these two [TS]

  different forms which has changed already the way you mail has come in [TS]

  because for the moment are monitoring these things and seeing ok how to each [TS]

  of them how are they used to know how it's going to work as a system [TS]

  and people have definitely been using them and way less email has come [TS]

  directly to me [TS]

  interestingly the number of topic suggestions is enormous [TS]

  it's way more contact than I ever got from people sending me contact [TS]

  suggestions directly so I i looked at this just yesterday and they were [TS]

  thousands and thousands of topic suggestions on that spreadsheet and [TS]

  interestingly the emails to me have vastly drop down and wave fewer people [TS]

  are using that contact form to send an email sometime just aware of this and I [TS]

  wonder what's happening is somebody thinking oh let me send an email and [TS]

  then they're coming up to that form and then deciding what ever they were going [TS]

  to send probably isn't going to make it through my personal assistant and just [TS]

  not bothering instead of trying to get rid of trying to guess what my email [TS]

  addresses and contact me directly like they're just looking on the site and [TS]

  going over there is a way I'll just I just won't do it like it's it's [TS]

  interesting and I don't know what is the reason for email through that form being [TS]

  quite low and then the topic suggestions are just enormous it's it's an [TS]

  interesting it's an interesting difference that I would not have [TS]

  predicted when I set this up I think I would have no yeah yeah because with the [TS]

  topic suggestions you doing two things you'll be pointing to a meeting about [TS]

  pointing to the fact that you would like topic suggestions and you're also like [TS]

  changing a policy which you are now willing to accept them because I think [TS]

  people that may be familiar with your work you do know that if they email you [TS]

  a topic suggestion you probably not right but now they're like well you've [TS]

  opened the floodgates and you're requesting them so you may I may as well [TS]

  Joe Smith send you that topic detection because now you're asking for them we [TS]

  haven't before two so when you make a change like that and then highlight I [TS]

  can see why people would send through more and also the email thing makes [TS]

  sense to me as well because I would be a lot of the email that you got his [TS]

  personal like people were addressing you personally know you dream about you but [TS]

  now they know that it's not going to you a lot of the personality and the [TS]

  connection will have gone and I don't think necessarily people see that go [TS]

  great but just so more like all if it's gonna go to somebody else does not I'm [TS]

  not gonna write in the way that I would write it so maybe I just won't write it [TS]

  was interesting I think you might be right and also people that I like one of [TS]

  your business if you ask you to do something now have a self qualifier of [TS]

  well it has to pass a third party to think that this might actually be worth [TS]

  grades while so let me think about it now that you say it it sounds possibly [TS]

  obvious but I would not have predicted this in the in the beginning this [TS]

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  smile for their support of this show so I have some I have some stuff around [TS]

  email some of it is centered on things that I didn't get to talk to you about [TS]

  last week I wanted to and some is based on feedback that we received one of the [TS]

  questions that we received a bunch was people wanted to know the total number [TS]

  of how many emails are in your Inbox [TS]

  this would be I would think the very top level all inbox every email account you [TS]

  have every small fold every filter everything what is that not that sits at [TS]

  the very top it's a people want to know how behind I am that that's what people [TS]

  want to know I think people just want to hear an astronomical number yeah people [TS]

  just want something huge 75,000 so I I only have a rough estimate because I [TS]

  didn't count it up last time we were we were talking but I know that the number [TS]

  of emails that I had to deal with in some way so yes across all accounts and [TS]

  across all levels of my sorting flag emails waiting for all of the rest of [TS]

  the stuff that number was somewhere above a thousand and below 2000 I can't [TS]

  narrow it down more specifically than that but when we spoke last time that's [TS]

  that's where we were so well so it's a very large number but that is very very [TS]

  large number it's not like 15000 [TS]

  oh yeah I think and correct me if I'm making an incorrect assumption I think [TS]

  the problem is isn't the number is the fact that that number probably never [TS]

  really changes its ways [TS]

  because as much email comes in as you can [TS]

  that number was that number had been increasing over say the last six months [TS]

  and I think listening to me talking last time on on the episode the one thing [TS]

  that I did not get across very well was one of the big reasons it was also [TS]

  occurring with me just spending less time on email and so that's why I was [TS]

  spending less time clearing it out and so that was also causing this backlog [TS]

  effect to occur I was doing much less frequently a thing that I used to do [TS]

  more often which was say dedicate an entire day or two in a row to just clear [TS]

  out email and to get it down to nothing I used to do that much more frequently [TS]

  and I was doing that much less frequently because I was trying to say [TS]

  it like he's that the best way to spend my time is that what people want me to [TS]

  do and yes there are problems in email there are things that need you to be [TS]

  solved all problems and benefits are relative and so I was spending more time [TS]

  on making things in less time on email and and that's partly why the the [TS]

  backflow was was increasing but I wanted to bring it up as a topic because [TS]

  obviously at a certain point it gets on your mind like email was now on my mind [TS]

  is this little burden that was always there in in the background and so that's [TS]

  kind of why I was wanting to talk about it is because I can feel this is a [TS]

  problem now not because of anything that's like in the email but all of the [TS]

  emails in aggregate together are like a psychological burden even if none of [TS]

  them in particular is a huge deal breaking problem which is why I can [TS]

  dedicate less time to them but none of them stop the business but all of them [TS]

  together just a psychological burden that's where I was last time we spoke so [TS]

  where are you an email now [TS]

  as of this morning I am happy to reports that I have 0 emails in my inbox was ok [TS]

  because it turns out if you make a podcast where you embarrassingly talk [TS]

  about how far behind on email you are you have basically shamed yourself into [TS]

  having to actually clear all of this out I just couldn't deal with it being there [TS]

  anymore and the fact that I'm traveling happens to have made this an excellent [TS]

  time to do this because all of my normal routines are thrown off kilter anyway so [TS]

  on the airplanes and have been working here in North Carolina little bit III [TS]

  who was filled with a vengeance to get this back down at least at least to just [TS]

  be able to slap the bottom of the empty floor for a split second before it [TS]

  starts filling back up again that that was the goal because I was also thinking [TS]

  about it I want to try to change the way this works [TS]

  systematically it's very hard to do that while still having a big backlog of [TS]

  stuff if it's easier to sit down and say ok I'm actually going to spend a serious [TS]

  amount of time dealing with this and then trying to build a new system from [TS]

  the ground up and that's just that's easier to do a bomb just focused on [TS]

  email so I haven't been writing scripts I haven't been doing other stuff related [TS]

  to the business I have basically dedicated my time to clearing out all of [TS]

  that stuff and yes just just a couple hours before we started recording I [TS]

  reached the bottom so I'm quite relieved about that that's amazing like really [TS]

  that is awesome he did that if if that amazing it's just a matter of time but [TS]

  you know just it is this is [TS]

  because here's the thing going through all of this it makes it was just again [TS]

  of realizing with the email yes none of these are none of these are big problems [TS]

  but they're all just little problems spread across a huge variety of domains [TS]

  personal life and business life and all of these things as a whole bunch of [TS]

  stuff to deal with in all of these different context switches it just takes [TS]

  a lot of time that that's all it is it's not it's not hard it's not like coal [TS]

  mining where it's difficult work all day long raised just time consuming and this [TS]

  is where I i feel conflicted about acts like I mentioned mentioned before ok so [TS]

  I've I feel better cause I've relieved this mental email burden from myself but [TS]

  they give this a really what the people who support my work want me doing with [TS]

  my time now they want me writing scripts they won't be making more videos and [TS]

  this is the part of being self employed in dealing with all the stuff that I [TS]

  just don't like I hate spending time on this this administrative stuff but it [TS]

  does need to be done at some point even if it's just because it's on your mind [TS]

  not because it's necessarily a problem in and of itself but I'm very much aware [TS]

  like the most valuable work that I can do this stuff that people like the best [TS]

  is not me just replying to emails its me making podcasts and and making videos [TS]

  but anyway that is done and now I am attempting to figure out how to build a [TS]

  new system that will manage that will last in the longer run it so that's why [TS]

  the topic suggestion thing and filtering more emails to my personal assistants [TS]

  are the first two pieces of of this is bright new future with email so I mean [TS]

  ideally now it's like trying to protect the system in which you then don't have [TS]

  to do what you just did again that's exactly right and also now I can have a [TS]

  better sense of what's happening [TS]

  yeah like how many like what's the I can have a much better sense of ok what is [TS]

  the minimum amount of time that I need to dedicate to this to keep it at a [TS]

  steady state where I can [TS]

  get it to empty on a you know every other week basis or whatever it now have [TS]

  a much better sense going forward what that's going to be working with a much [TS]

  more reasonable system so that's that's what I'm trying here I guess my my [TS]

  prototype here is if you're very behind on email start a podcast and tell the [TS]

  whole world about how behind an email you are that's the takeaway from this [TS]

  that's a really good take away which is up in a situation where you really [TS]

  embarrassed and so I am maintain what I said earlier this helps helps you [TS]

  whether whether you like to admit that it was help it was unwelcome help [TS]

  because it was embarrassment that it helped nonetheless yes but nonetheless I [TS]

  am at the bottom of my email now if you have heard at the time and/or considered [TS]

  email bankruptcy yes I have I've come across this and I am I am [TS]

  philosophically opposed to email Bankruptcy Court for listeners who may [TS]

  be unaware that I think maybe the best way to describe the email bankruptcy is [TS]

  it's just like bankruptcy in real life [TS]

  you're so far in debt with in this case not money but emails that need to be [TS]

  replied to that the only way forward is to just say I'm dumping all of this and [TS]

  starting afresh [TS]

  my email debt is being absolved by me declaring bankruptcy and we're just [TS]

  going to move forward and anything that's important [TS]

  will reappear at some point in the future I know that if I did that I would [TS]

  feel way worse about it because I I would also feel like I hadn't really [TS]

  solve the problem and I would feel like what i've what i've done is is swept a [TS]

  bunch of problems under the rug that then it then there's like an uncertainty [TS]

  of did a sweep something away that I really needed to see that wouldn't have [TS]

  resurfaced at an appropriate time scale [TS]

  and I'm not I'm not saying that you mail bankruptcy is never acceptable but it is [TS]

  not something that I would be comfortable dealing with I would much [TS]

  rather do what I've done which is take a bunch of time and say I'm doing nothing [TS]

  else except email and and get to the bottom of all of it and then feel like I [TS]

  have a genuine fresh start [TS]

  email bankruptcy feels a bit like stealing our fresh starts in a somewhat [TS]

  illegitimate way to me that's that's a bit of how it feels [TS]

  I can see why people do it but I can see why you wouldn't do it so I think the [TS]

  reason that I thought of this as well as like you were in it seemed to be in a [TS]

  situation in which the email that was in your inbox was never gonna get answer to [TS]

  continue to build in that in that world if that was what was going to occur [TS]

  email bankruptcy makes sense because you're never gonna get to those emails [TS]

  anyways so stop giving yourself the anxiety is in a number like that thats I [TS]

  think we're the idea come from for many people but the reason I can see that you [TS]

  take on the route that you've taken and on what you've done is it doesn't gel [TS]

  with you because it's like wall it's only just gonna happen again because all [TS]

  I'm doing is taking a temporary measure [TS]

  there is absolutely zero reason why my email inbox would not get back to a [TS]

  thousand if all I'm doing is just every six months deleting everything right [TS]

  because there's no new system it's just the exact same system but now you're [TS]

  starting from zero again I don't know where this comes from originally but [TS]

  there's a little saying that your daily system is perfectly designed to get [TS]

  exactly the results that you're getting and it's almost it's almost a [TS]

  definitional statement but if you are in a situation where you are getting more [TS]

  emails than you are you are responding to [TS]

  however you deal with the email that is your system and it is producing those [TS]

  results I get is perfectly designed to produce those results and so yes [TS]

  declaring e-mail bankruptcy is just going to get you the exact same [TS]

  thing later down the road I don't like the idea of just sweeping away these [TS]

  problems without actually facing them of just saying I'm just gonna push it all [TS]

  away and and hope it's hope its fine hope I hear from people again when I [TS]

  need to an inappropriate time scale and i mean that that does mean that I have I [TS]

  have applied to in the past few days some emails that were just [TS]

  embarrassingly late that's that's a bit uncomfortable to do but I still think I [TS]

  feel better about replying to something embarrassingly late then I feel about [TS]

  just sweeping it under the road and not replying to it if it is something that [TS]

  still needs a reply email has an expiration date [TS]

  here's a question for you Mike did you ever ever find it when you're working [TS]

  with large groups of people that there there are definitely problems that just [TS]

  if you wait long enough they do go away on their own right there there are [TS]

  problems that just kind of like I don't handle this it'll just get fixed by [TS]

  somebody else or it will just become irrelevant you know what I'm talking [TS]

  about great you have uncovered my top tips for working in a corporate [TS]

  environment oh yes as part of my job I did a few different things so my old [TS]

  life the most recent job that I had I worked in a bank doing marketing and I [TS]

  mention this last time [TS]

  email as part of my job I did they see a marketing direct mail so this is like [TS]

  the stuff that you received your letter box and also email marketing as well so [TS]

  we would be marked existing custom stuff we would send emails to people that was [TS]

  one of my jobs one of my other roles was also a bit of like Mad Men and systems [TS]

  processing for a different part of the business it was a dream job and I did [TS]

  this creative part of marketing but then also managing this like other marketing [TS]

  department it was strange but it was little I did I would get sent emails for [TS]

  things that nobody knew how to do so they sent it to me because they expected [TS]

  that I was the person that would [TS]

  have to do it you know like nobody else knows how to do this has to get done so [TS]

  I should send it to the guy that is going to affect the most of it doesn't [TS]

  get rights and send it to me a lot of those things I would read them and be [TS]

  like I don't know how to do this I don't want to have to learn so what I'm gonna [TS]

  do is delete this email and comes back in a few weeks there may be a look at it [TS]

  but if it doesn't come back it was never that point in the first place and that [TS]

  saved me so much time because I would just delete things and then if people [TS]

  say why didn't you do this I haven't got around to it like that was always my on [TS]

  services like I haven't seen this and then I would do with it but more often [TS]

  than not these things which has never come back because the executive who [TS]

  asked for it moved on and didn't carry you know all of these things in these [TS]

  big corporate environments such as stemmed by somebody in the management [TS]

  team asked a question and now everybody thinks there needs to be an answer to [TS]

  this question when really they would just asking the question [TS]

  yeah I very very frequently would do this and all if there was an email in my [TS]

  inbox or in a folder or something that I believed needed to be dealt with and it [TS]

  was already like three or four weeks pass the time they was sent and I had no [TS]

  chaser email gone just gone that people used to say to me like that how do you [TS]

  get all the work done that you do and also leave at 5 p.m. like I was the only [TS]

  person in my team that came in at nine let you know how do you say things and [TS]

  it was basically because I don't allow myself to get bogged down in things that [TS]

  I think of them that was how I survived a bunch of stuff basically part of your [TS]

  system was first contacted my coaches have had to happen twice so it didn't [TS]

  count pretty much if it was the fact that sounds if it was a thing that was [TS]

  like no one knows how to do this can you do this and you can pretty much assume [TS]

  that it got deleted it [TS]

  I don't do that anymore because every deleted email like that affect my [TS]

  business you know that that's that's as you say that we are now in very [TS]

  different situations but I was sitting here I'm trying to remember what it was [TS]

  but at some point in my teaching career I had a similar realization of a lot of [TS]

  these requests I can just ignore and I'll never hear about them ever again [TS]

  now that's not so much the case because people are contacting us directly [TS]

  because of the thing that we do but in groups there seems to be this thing [TS]

  where where you just get many more requests where it's clear that something [TS]

  popped into somebody's mind for a mere minute long enough to write you an email [TS]

  and then they they almost don't care about at the instant they're done [TS]

  writing the email and you learn to recognize those those kinds of requests [TS]

  the only thing that's coming to my mind was I never did but received a bunch of [TS]

  requests for was I get emails about how I was supposed to contact a parent about [TS]

  something related to their child and it wasn't apparent reaching out to me it [TS]

  was an administrator telling me that I should reach out to a parent about X [TS]

  how's that well the parent hasn't approached me I don't really know how [TS]

  much they care about this topic this just seems like something and [TS]

  administrator wants me to do and so I'll just never do this unless I hear about [TS]

  it again and in my entire career teaching I never once called a parent [TS]

  even though I I received many requests from administrators to call parents and [TS]

  I never heard about it ever I I honestly think this is one of the things were [TS]

  just popped into somebody's head oh you know you should call Susie's mom about [TS]

  whatever I like ok you know didn't do that never happened ever mattered and I [TS]

  could have been spending an hour on the phone several times a week calling to [TS]

  parents to talk about their precious darling and why they aren't performing [TS]

  perfectly in every possible way [TS]

  way however I wish I could remember more but that was that's the one that's [TS]

  clearly jumping into my head of like if I just ignored it goes away and clearly [TS]

  nobody cares not the parent not the student not the administrator is just an [TS]

  email that has appeared because these things do you mind would be a lot of [TS]

  like this item of literature is out of stock [TS]

  the last time it was ordered was six years ago the company that makes this [TS]

  doesn't exist anymore we need more of them and i feel like im not doing it [TS]

  sounds horrible home actually I do have a follow-up question for you something [TS]

  from last show that you mention offhandedly the part of your job was to [TS]

  send emails to millions of people and we never followed up on this yeah tell me [TS]

  about this that was it like the marketing stuff like I would be in [TS]

  charge of creating marketing campaigns that was sent out to the millions and [TS]

  millions of people in the customer base and so that's what you were doing you [TS]

  were sending those emails that I don't read from my bank about something being [TS]

  updated or some special promotion that was you I actually think that is [TS]

  literally was me I didn't know with you but the time but it literally was it was [TS]

  me so you know that first email maybe that was an email that you go from here [TS]

  getting stuff that I was bugging you if the most frequent question that came [TS]

  through after last week's episode was about having like segmenting email [TS]

  accounts basically so having secret email addresses [TS]

  family and friends using aliases so like saying i dunno CDP plus Pam at grade on [TS]

  that kind of thing right using the aliases or just having multiple email [TS]

  accounts to deal with certain things so you can more easily filter staff in just [TS]

  more easily get what you wanted [TS]

  do you have a system in place like this do you do anything like this I have I [TS]

  have seen a lot of advice on [TS]

  about doing this exact kind of thing have multiple email addresses for [TS]

  different kinds of contact that you are going to receive and in my experience [TS]

  this just doesn't work it doesn't work because ultimately I have to open up the [TS]

  email client on whatever device I'm using so I'm opening up mail on my Mac [TS]

  and even if I have segmented different emails I had one email I just for my [TS]

  family and I have one email address for business and this is a public contact [TS]

  form it's all going to the same program that I open at the same time anyway so [TS]

  it's you can't help but see everything that is there when I have accused only [TS]

  tried to do that have different email addresses I've always just found that it [TS]

  seems like it is mentally more work than simply having it all in the same place [TS]

  and I do have dozens of email addresses have collected over the years and all of [TS]

  them are doing this crazy forwarding chain whereas I have a have created new [TS]

  ones and eventually abandon them I sent them to forward to what is the more [TS]

  current email address so it all filters back to the same place now but I think [TS]

  people who have known me for a very long time if they send me one of my older [TS]

  than me a message one of my older he addresses it probably goes through three [TS]

  or four email addresses that all Eve say oh forward to this one now over to this [TS]

  one now before it ends up at what is my current email address so I don't know is [TS]

  it feels more it feels more honest and it feels more easy to manage to just [TS]

  have it all end up in one account and then to try and use Smart Filters or [TS]

  rules on that one [TS]

  account that just feels way more straightforward than trying to manage of [TS]

  bunch of accounts and then also managed rules may be on those are Smart Filters [TS]

  it just doesn't it seem like duplicates seems like duplicate work and plus I [TS]

  know people who have secret contact email addresses that you're supposed to [TS]

  use [TS]

  do you get in touch with them but then this also becomes a problem of now you [TS]

  have a secret icky for now you have to remember which email address you're [TS]

  supposed to use to get in touch with that person [TS]

  it also like it puts a burden of effort on everyone else who is contacting you [TS]

  in some way so I it's almost like it like it's almost like and security [TS]

  through obscurity measure to have secret email addresses [TS]

  well there eventually they're eventually going to be not secret they're [TS]

  eventually going to spread out and then you just have to do the whole thing over [TS]

  again so that that's why I'm much more focused on trying to have a system that [TS]

  just works for all of my email and I don't I don't find segment in that stuff [TS]

  works very well but I mean I know you have this view email addresses do you [TS]

  segmented like do you find this useful to do or do you have it all go to one [TS]

  place as well it all goes to one place because you do the same as me [TS]

  yeah although I don't really have many filters in place the only filters I have [TS]

  is for stuff to go immediately archive which tends to be notifications of [TS]

  things so like for example I want them there in case I need to search for them [TS]

  but I don't ever wanna see them directly I have a ton of stuff that doesn't as [TS]

  well so late but my thing is my my reason I don't have this and I can [TS]

  totally see why it works for some people but my main problem with email is the [TS]

  psychological burden it places on me [TS]

  rights are seeing the number this doesn't fix that because I would still [TS]

  be adding all of those email accounts the same email app right because I'm [TS]

  always going to see even if I just go into one inbox I'm still gonna see that [TS]

  number on the big embarks which is exactly the same as the problem I have [TS]

  now and then you could start game really crazy right so I use mailed out for this [TS]

  email account and that's never gonna work for me because they will now have [TS]

  to have 6 tabs open and it's just a nightmare because I can totally see why [TS]

  some people do it you are perfectly right that the only way this is [TS]

  practical as if you are also willing to use multiple email applications and that [TS]

  is a bridge that I am [TS]

  simply not willing to cross as it is I used to things for email and that's what [TS]

  that's already more than I really want to and the only reason that I used to is [TS]

  because on iOS I have draft set up as a kind of phone email account that allows [TS]

  me to send a message to someone without having to open up and look at my own [TS]

  email account and I do the same thing on the Mac with airmail it's called which I [TS]

  have set up as an outgoing only email account so I don't have to open up like [TS]

  look at the look at all the stuff that is coming to me if I just I want to send [TS]

  an email to someone that's as close as unwilling to get to actually using [TS]

  multiple email accounts are both email apps and really that's just like using [TS]

  1.1 mail apps so yes I am not willing to have multiple ones and that's the only [TS]

  way I think that having multiple email addresses is helpful in segmenting way [TS]

  in the same way that slack is segmented for our communication you need to have a [TS]

  lot happened I just rather deal with the email all in one place in a consistent [TS]

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  of real FM Squarespace build a beautiful I think we briefly touched on this and [TS]

  previous episode that you tend to use mail app for your iOS and OS 10 majority [TS]

  of email processing stuff yeah century all of it is that because of utility [TS]

  areas you just like you know how to use it you're stuck in it waves have used it [TS]

  forever I am in the minority here of I for the most part like the way that it [TS]

  looks like I've tried to use Gmail stuff and personally I find it tedious I know [TS]

  that there are people who are all in on using Gmail for email [TS]

  and I don't like using their web interface I have netted just it does not [TS]

  work with the way I think about you mail for whatever reason and I also just [TS]

  think it is ugly whereas I I like the fact that mel is relatively clean does [TS]

  and this is why I especially like doing mail on my iPad on the iPhone is very [TS]

  clean like you're just looking at the message was not a whole bunch of stuff [TS]

  all over the place and you're just looking at one at a time I really like [TS]

  that where gmail has always felt really really messy to me so that's that's why [TS]

  I I use these I actually do like that I feel like I'm the only person who likes [TS]

  mail there obviously the things that frustrate me about it although on my Mac [TS]

  I definitely love there's a plugin for mail which is called male act on which I [TS]

  would be very sad if it didn't work anymore but it does allow me to assign [TS]

  just some key strokes that will automatically do things to a message so [TS]

  I have it set up so that if I press Ctrl a while looking at a message it will [TS]

  archive that message but will also make sure to clear any flags that are on that [TS]

  message or and to make sure that the messages on red because sometimes I [TS]

  actually archives something so quickly that it doesn't pass the like three [TS]

  second timer yes this is an unread message I just wanna make sure that if [TS]

  something low that I immediately go like nope boom in the archive I don't want [TS]

  the archive to be cleared up with random messages that are still marked as unread [TS]

  that that is that is a handy little thing that I use the fastest archiver in [TS]

  the west it doesn't even have time to recognize it but yes that's male act on [TS]

  a big fan of that I I quite like that on the Mac so you said you don't like Gmail [TS]

  do you use Gmail for your web email hosting do something different I used [TS]

  Gmail for years and then when I say it was maybe six months or a year ago now [TS]

  I'm terrible with relative times but somewhere in that that boundary I I had [TS]

  what was [TS]

  a disaster is problem with Gmail and Mail talking to each other which Apple [TS]

  in Gmail have never really played well together they're always been minor [TS]

  problems I remember this [TS]

  yes yeah there was an update astound basically meant they could be just [TS]

  couldn't use Gmail email anymore that was why a lot of people don't use man [TS]

  that's why I stopped using the mail was because he couldn't get my email and [TS]

  more service like well I'm gonna go if you're using male I can wholeheartedly [TS]

  recommend using Gmail with it but it wasn't I did run into that problem where [TS]

  you couldn't access it I ran into problems where and my feeling is I don't [TS]

  care whose fault is it I don't care if it was Apple's fault I don't care for [TS]

  his Gmail so I just ran into this problem where anyone know how to [TS]

  describe it but basically I had a a big number of flags messages in my gmail [TS]

  system that I need to reply to and that at some point all of those flags got [TS]

  lost the way gmail works is that you just have all of the messages in one [TS]

  giant archive and it kind of smart pulls out the ones that are flags you can just [TS]

  see them the flag ones are in in an actual separate folder that you can just [TS]

  go and look and so if you lose the flags you those messages are just lost among [TS]

  the tens and tens of thousands of emails that are in your whole archive you never [TS]

  going to find them again and so I had a big chunk of flag messages to reply to a [TS]

  lost all those flags and that without was my you know what the way gmail works [TS]

  with its funny it is I map but it isn't really I'm a bit like I'm done with this [TS]

  I want to have a system where it's folders and I know that I am putting [TS]

  messages in those folders and they're just they're just there I don't want any [TS]

  of this fancy gmail stuff that I don't even use anyway so I switched over and [TS]

  I'm now using fast mail as the back end to my actual email that that is what is [TS]

  happening behind the scenes I is I pay fast mail now [TS]

  to provide the service which is just a standard IMAP client so that's what I'm [TS]

  currently using and I'm very very happy with it I'm very happy with it when we [TS]

  started really we started fast mail but we'd for some reason something went awry [TS]

  and we somehow ended up getting spam and it was somehow not passing for the spam [TS]

  feels very well did something went wrong somewhere but what was happening was [TS]

  people then sty to email me like potential sponsors whose very early in [TS]

  the company and the emails were bouncing and I basically said we need to do to [TS]

  change his right now like this needs to be fixed I will not allow this to happen [TS]

  again and then moved to Gmail and we have Google ads in that also allowed me [TS]

  to because I wanted to be able to try all of the fancy email apps that [TS]

  integrate gmail like me and I couldn't use those if I was using third-party [TS]

  providers so we used Google Apps and I use mailboxes my [TS]

  I'm just going to say for anybody who does use fast mail I ran into the same [TS]

  things straight away [TS]

  boy seemed to be getting a lot of spam and this is this is weird fast mail has [TS]

  some very bizarre default settings for how it handles spam and I always want to [TS]

  reach out to the people at fast you know if you change the defaults for the way [TS]

  you handle this would be much better but there is a way in the settings if you do [TS]

  use fast mail to tell it here fast mail look at my archive of messages and those [TS]

  messages learn them is not spam and for some reason I don't know why it does [TS]

  that it it it's just trying to evaluate spam in the abstract against the whole [TS]

  internet I guess whereas it's it's it's not like Gmail does by default looking [TS]

  at your messages and trying to learn ok what kind of messages are sent to this [TS]

  person if you sign up with that smell make sure to go into [TS]

  the settings and tell it like yes please look at my archive of messages and learn [TS]

  what is and is not spam to me and ever since I did that I haven't had any [TS]

  problems but the default setup is a bit is a bit weird you do get a lot of a lot [TS]

  of spam so I think they need they need to work on that but otherwise I'm I'm [TS]

  quite happy with it on your phone and on your iPad I assume you're busy use mail [TS]

  but then you also mentioned having drafts as like this [TS]

  send only email account how did this come to be I don't know I wanted to [TS]

  solve that problem of I have thought of a thing and I want to send a message to [TS]

  somebody but I don't want to open up my email and get distracted by things that [TS]

  are in there I realized oh if I set up a separate email address which is [TS]

  basically you know my email address . mobile right that I can send messages [TS]

  from there but then the dot mobile address its rule is to forward [TS]

  everything to my real address so if I send somebody an email from I dot mobile [TS]

  one they can reply to it and it will go to my real out my real email address it [TS]

  won't go back to the mobile one so that way the mobile email address is always [TS]

  clear like there's nothing that's in there because it sends outgoing messages [TS]

  and it redirects everything that is coming in I did find that very useful [TS]

  for ok I want to send a message I don't want to get distracted by all of my [TS]

  email do you have configured in a different way on your iPod like you I [TS]

  definitely seems to be four you like a dream email device right it's the one [TS]

  that I use the most I wouldn't say that it's a dream email device because all [TS]

  email is ultimately a nightmare but [TS]

  but but I find it is that it is the one where it is the least stressful way to [TS]

  deal with email that's that's the way I would describe it it's the cleanest and [TS]

  it's the simplest way of dealing with the email but it is not always the most [TS]

  convenient because sometimes an email you'll need to attach something all need [TS]

  to look something up and then on the iPad that can become kind of a pain in [TS]

  the butt but all things being equal I would rather do you mail my iPad have [TS]

  you ever tried anything like Google Inbox on mailbox basically something [TS]

  that can categorize email on your behalf if you ever tried to do these services [TS]

  because I have so many email addresses many of them are Gmail addresses and so [TS]

  yes I have tried playing around with all of the various plugs into Gmail [TS]

  different services and I think those things are a lot like to do apps now if [TS]

  you look on the App Store there are a bazillion different to do abs and you [TS]

  have to find a to-do app that just fits with your mind very well and there are [TS]

  just people think about their to do is in very different ways where one app is [TS]

  good for someone and it's it's a 10 it's a terrible fit for somebody else I think [TS]

  a lot of these Gmail apps like inbox or like mailbox if they happened to line up [TS]

  with the way you think about email then they're amazing but if they don't fit [TS]

  the shape of your mind then they are terrible and so some of the features in [TS]

  mailbox about you can press a button and say oh I could boomerang this back to me [TS]

  in a week I don't want to see this now but but make it look as though this [TS]

  message just got sent to me and you in a week [TS]

  something about that just does not fit my mind at all and in box on the other [TS]

  on the other end of that I feel like inbox is trying to do too many things [TS]

  automatically and I just I don't like that as well but for it for the right [TS]

  people the impression that I get his those different services are just [TS]

  amazing if it matches up with your mind in the same way that if you find it to [TS]

  do manager that may [TS]

  matches with your mind you feel like I think this is exactly what I'm looking [TS]

  for [TS]

  so that that's that's kind of my thought on those things I'm not really very [TS]

  comfortable with an at that tries to make decisions on my behalf site that's [TS]

  how I feel within boxes it's like he's doing much like its categorizing things [TS]

  and moving things around and putting things in this hidden folder and I don't [TS]

  really like that but I am like the exact opposite you not my favorite feature of [TS]

  mailboxes the idea that I can take an email and say show me that in a week [TS]

  right and that's because I I really hate to see email in my inbox I like to be [TS]

  able to clear it because it makes my mind for a bit clearer if when I go to [TS]

  me that there's not one hundred things in there and there's some things are [TS]

  just like well there is something in here that I need to do this person says [TS]

  you know about this in July well I can then just set a thing which says on july [TS]

  first bring us email back and that really works for me also as I could just [TS]

  a way of like just get rid of this today cuz I'm not gonna do with us today I [TS]

  don't wanna keep seeing it today show me later on that later and I quite like [TS]

  that that was me and that is an element of a lot of people really really don't [TS]

  like if using your emails like a task list but quite frequently my email inbox [TS]

  is a task list and i also there's no way around that [TS]

  yeah so I whilst I use on the focus like to try and never gave much to do things [TS]

  like that there is still stuff in my email inbox which are tasks that need to [TS]

  be completed so sometimes it's just easier for me to just be like ok I would [TS]

  revisit asked how come back to it later [TS]

  mailboxes have more stuff like allowing you to create lists and things like that [TS]

  with the email but I also quite like the fact that you can [TS]

  reorder emails while so bring that one down one up that was like mailbox I [TS]

  always feel like email is its own separate universe when it comes to all [TS]

  kinds of problems that are related to getting things done in organizing your [TS]

  life and task management I've just always felt like email is is a as a [TS]

  completely separate thing from that needs to be dealt with in its own way [TS]

  and so I just feel like I've used broadly getting things done kind of [TS]

  system but I've always ended up partially re-creating that within email [TS]

  because it is just so self-contained and also so big that when you mentioned like [TS]

  Oh send us email back to me in a month [TS]

  my version of doing that is I have a folder called waiting for that any of [TS]

  those oh I need to reply to this but not in any immediate time frame I put those [TS]

  messages in there and then I just have a I have a listed them because it's a it's [TS]

  too much overhead to then go into my regular task management program and say [TS]

  oh create a task to reply to this because then in the future me then going [TS]

  to need to search for that email you need some way to manage all of this [TS]

  stuff is just it's such a big it's such a big thing but yes I am I my version of [TS]

  that is just have a folder and I prefer to see all of those things there whereas [TS]

  with something like mailbox I always have this feeling of how many males have [TS]

  a boomerang to myself when are they gonna come back I don't know you can see [TS]

  it now yes they have a listed as a little button you just press in the way [TS]

  that their app is is navigated they have three buttons along the very top they [TS]

  have a clock on a mountain in tray and then a tech and then the clock is the [TS]

  snoozed email and the one in the middle the interest in box and then there's the [TS]

  little tick which is the study of archived interesting interesting I [TS]

  missed that that's better [TS]

  my issue with what you're doing is like how do you know when any of those emails [TS]

  need to be action on they just sit in this list and it's like you have to go [TS]

  into the mall to find out when you're welcome [TS]

  them yeah that's that's that is definitely the problem and so I do have [TS]

  to review that every once in a while but you're the way of mailbox boomerang [TS]

  something back he was much more precise presuming that you check your email [TS]

  frequently you check it every day about the situation that I was in but yes but [TS]

  this is what I mean it's like we're doing similar things in slightly [TS]

  different ways and that's why it's just if the app fits your mind it's great [TS]

  yeah that's why I'm not against those things but I just haven't found one that [TS]

  fits my mind and that's why it's so difficult to suggest to somebody to use [TS]

  a different email lab because it just doesn't gel with your way of thinking [TS]

  it's never going to potentially we have reached the end of talking about email [TS]

  thank God I was just about to ask please let us be over we we must be done [TS]

  talking about email i think i think im not gonna say we're done forever but [TS]

  we're at least done for now we're done forever now so I want it will talk about [TS]

  your iPad a moment ago and I noticed that about some of the new iOS 9 [TS]

  features so I assume you've installed the public paid her on your iPod yes we [TS]

  discussed earlier episode that I was going to wait for the public beta and it [TS]

  came out of nowhere was it a week ago two weeks ago and I immediately [TS]

  installed it on my iPad because I want to check things out and I'm really [TS]

  liking it so far I'm really liking it definitely feels like this is this is [TS]

  the iPad focused iOS updates and since I'm a very heavy iPad user I am pretty [TS]

  happy with with that have you installed on all counts [TS]

  know Mike Dunn started on all of my iPad ok so i think is right about that [TS]

  question is I know that it sounds like I am poking fun at you and there is a very [TS]

  small but I'm surprised to hear that you haven't done it because now like they [TS]

  are not the same like your your your iPad's now have different functionality [TS]

  well partly why I put it on my iPad air too and that is because I want to be [TS]

  able to test the feature that are most interesting to me which is to be able to [TS]

  do the app side by side so you only have 1 I've had it yes I only have one here [TS]

  to guide you can't blame me as being the crazy one here it's impossible for me to [TS]

  know because you have so many of the only have one of each kind that I have I [TS]

  don't have multiples of the same kind that a bridge too far so I just have the [TS]

  one iPad air to install the public paid on that and I also knew that this was a [TS]

  good time to do it because I was going to be traveling shortly and I only bring [TS]

  one iPad with me when I travel so I was going to bring the iPad air too and so [TS]

  that all this this is a good time because then I won't be switching back [TS]

  and forth between devices and get frustrated with things and I can just I [TS]

  can just try it out so that's that's what I have been doing that's my [TS]

  situation that answer what you want to know about which iPads yeah I think so [TS]

  yeah I know I am surprised that you don't have one in the case and wanting a [TS]

  carrying case something gets lost but now I just need to do that now I haven't [TS]

  no I haven't done that haven't done that yet the redundancy too far so the at [TS]

  like the the multitasking features like being able to have two apps open a time [TS]

  I see him that you're probably getting some use out of this because you use a [TS]

  few of Apple's official app sorry because at the moment as we are where we [TS]

  are today the only adds that this works with Apple's mobile applications where [TS]

  later on third parties will be able to integrate this functionality and you'll [TS]

  be able to use only focus and fantastical [TS]

  yeah I'm really looking forward to the third party ones using it and I wanted [TS]

  to play with it because it's just it's just different handling something that [TS]

  thinking about it in a conceptual way to be able to be able to play with it in [TS]

  person and say ok this is how it feels when you start to act together this is [TS]

  what the size looks like right in front of my face you get a much better sense [TS]

  of it than watching craig Venter et do a demo of it and wonder how it's also [TS]

  useful to to understand the limitations of how it really works that when you see [TS]

  a demo it's very easy for your brain to fill in a lot of details that then you [TS]

  later on realize like oh it doesn't quite work like that or oh I just made [TS]

  this assumption so I wanted to play with it just to get a much clearer sense [TS]

  sooner about how potentially useful it can be and my answer is is very well [TS]

  because I use a lot of third-party apps what I can actually do with it right now [TS]

  is quite limited but the few times something has come up I thought oh this [TS]

  is just great stuff I am say looking at something I know on a web page but I'm [TS]

  also busy instant messaging with someone [TS]

  man is it a relief to just have both of those on the screen instead of having to [TS]

  constantly like flip back and forth to reply to the person I can just have the [TS]

  ongoing conversation and keep doing what I'm doing like that is that is great [TS]

  even just with the built-in apps so I'm a huge fan of that but by far and away [TS]

  my favorite feature is that the all tab switcher is on the iPad is is just [TS]

  glorious to me ever since I connected a keyboard to an iPad for the first time I [TS]

  have I just constantly hit Alt Tab to switch between things and it does [TS]

  nothing and it's always been infuriating that's not there on the iPad and this [TS]

  works now and feel like God a relief because I'm a very very heavy keyboard [TS]

  user I try to use the mouse [TS]

  the least amount possible and so yes up on my regular computer I'm always just [TS]

  alt tabbing between stuff I never use the mouse to switch applications and so [TS]

  I am really happy that it's on the iPad I would I would upgrade to iOS 9 [TS]

  immediately and they could charge 20 bucks for that upgrade if it only had [TS]

  the all tab switch be like yes Tim Cook take my money [TS]

  20 bucks just for the all tabs which are nothing else great this is the best iOS [TS]

  update ever that and like the old tapping and like the Ave APT [TS]

  side-by-side I think that they're they're definitely like you mentioned [TS]

  before it makes things feel faster on the iPad like going from apt to apt at [TS]

  like [TS]

  and one of the things I've noticed as well I'm wondering if you've noticed [TS]

  this you know when you click the girl that you could it would open another [TS]

  application and it may do that thing where is like the appt went away and [TS]

  likes pan around and here comes the next they have now replaces have just at [TS]

  slides in from the side and it may I love that it makes so much faster and I [TS]

  just want to point out before we carry on this is how was on Android that is [TS]

  the animation before people mention that and also like the fact that there is [TS]

  persistent back button now has an Android so they are good things have [TS]

  come from a droid 2 it definitely helps because it doesn't feel like let me just [TS]

  wait for you I paused for a moment while you spend some apps around especially [TS]

  with some of the things like that we both use like bumps into pro which are [TS]

  basically there to open up other applications sometimes you feel like [TS]

  you're waiting for weeks whilst sustaining round and round and round [TS]

  yeah this is a case where I bet that the slide over thing it might not actually [TS]

  be any faster or just in significantly faster than the swap around application [TS]

  but it just feels so much faster than watching them go like oh here you know [TS]

  the one in the front goes to the back and the one in the back come to the [TS]

  front you know maybe it's a tenth of a second or two tenths of a second [TS]

  actually faster but something about that animation just feels so much faster and [TS]

  the the good it's just a good user interface design and they took that from [TS]

  Android Great Clips is really nice it is much much improved and as I also agree [TS]

  that the label the back button at the top is very nice so when you go into a [TS]

  different app at the at the top left of the screen it'll say like click to [TS]

  return to Safari if if safari is where you were last that is also very nice it [TS]

  definitely feels like moving around and switching between applications is vastly [TS]

  vastly improved and you tried the picture-in-picture videos or I just [TS]

  played around with it but no i i haven't done that is mainly because I don't tend [TS]

  to watch video very much on my iPad so I haven't had a chance to really play with [TS]

  that in person i just want to see that it worked and I was showing it off to my [TS]

  wife and she heard all this is the greatest thing ever this moving around [TS]

  video picture in picture thing but I haven't used it much myself I love it [TS]

  but you can only use it with the videos out now right there is anything and [TS]

  Safari interesting it's just it's fantastic like so I can be there might [TS]

  be like say like this like a YouTube video something I want to watch but I'm [TS]

  not like I don't need to be like super engrossed in like her like a let's play [TS]

  and yes something long that you want in the background that is also primarily [TS]

  audio content yeah all that just doesn't require a ton of attention or maybe I [TS]

  can have that video playing and be reading Twitter at the same time and [TS]

  it's like or one other thing I've been able to do is to be able to take notes [TS]

  on a video which I do a lot right stuff and it's like this is just fantastic for [TS]

  that because it it still enables you to have the focused and iPad gives you [TS]

  because you can only see the video on the one application [TS]

  and so it still allows me anyway to feel like I'm really focused on it using it [TS]

  on my laptop which is like buzzing and bringing throwing things all over the [TS]

  place so I really like that feature and I guess the last one i think is good for [TS]

  you I love it to use to transit stuff transit maps yet because I haven't been [TS]

  in London I haven't had a chance to use this directly but I did look at it and I [TS]

  thought oh wow it's nice to see that for the major train stations they have you [TS]

  exact entrances and exits labels that makes a huge difference because I mean [TS]

  some of the stations like you go to you go to Kings Cross st. Pancras in London [TS]

  I mean that's just like a massive to train stations interconnected with each [TS]

  other big big problem and when map which show it as a single . it was just a lot [TS]

  I going to that single dot you might be 20,000 minutes away from where you're [TS]

  trying to go I think I think that's that's a really big deal and its I was [TS]

  just looking at the train station that I know well and thinking yes they got they [TS]

  got this exactly right and some of the tricky little details about you know [TS]

  where we're entrances are awake and walk it looks like they have that they have a [TS]

  really pat down I'd be curious know where they pulled that data from it [TS]

  looks looks very useful especially for anybody getting around in a city that [TS]

  they're not familiar with i genuinely think that that data comes from humans [TS]

  has to it has to it's very limited the transit maps are only a handful of [TS]

  cities except in China where as in every single one of them has apparently they [TS]

  they have all this data like it's really easy to transit mapping and China [TS]

  because they have one company that manages all of the data unlike some [TS]

  other cities where you have to get it from a couple of different sources but I [TS]

  think that a lot of this entrance and exit staff to me for only could be human [TS]

  collected because otherwise Google would user like if it just came from under [TS]

  like one of the [TS]

  companies a whole system and licenses like the timing things like that trains [TS]

  if they had this data than other people will think you're I think you're right I [TS]

  think you're an apple might have just paid people to do it but this is [TS]

  something like I use Google Maps and I really like Google Maps because Apple [TS]

  maps can be kind of one key for me in certain areas but I look at it and now [TS]

  I'm probably least in the meantime gonna switch to use it sometimes I want [TS]

  directions on my watch because the integration with the ones is really good [TS]

  but now might that transit stuff like that is fantastic i I really really like [TS]

  their transit maps so I only have I was on my iPad right now I don't have but I [TS]

  thinking that that would be something that I would use a lot of fun yeah I was [TS]

  knocking install the public be damned iPhone especially while traveling and [TS]

  the phone is to vital it doesn't mean I'm not going to definitely not going to [TS]

  do that but on the iPad was it was fun to do in and fun to play around with so [TS]

  big thumbs up from me for the iOS 9 beta so far I'm really liking it I was not [TS]

  approved yes [TS]

  all right we're gonna cut the show here I think we are indeed right because [TS]

  we're not going to do [TS]

  questions cuz you when I are actually going to record tomorrow and do a whole [TS]

  bunch of questions because of the Traveling that I'm doing so in listener [TS]

  time they were here as in a week but I am going to hear you in less than 24 [TS]

  hours so excited [TS]

  it is a thing that is happening [TS]