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0:00:03the in time through a number 317 October

0:00:11welcome everybody to the incomparable

0:00:14podcast we welcome past listeners we

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0:00:19us with this very episode this is a

0:00:21podcast we talked about many things

0:00:22including old movies that we watch and

0:00:24then talk about and in this case we're

0:00:26watching a classic sci-fi horror thing

0:00:31something stirring the governor of

0:00:33california i am referring to 1984 is the

0:00:38Terminator directed by james cameron and

0:00:40starring arnold schwarzenegger in a role

0:00:42that he says like less than a hundred

0:00:44words

0:00:45joining me to talk about the first of

0:00:47the Terminator movies it's an all-star

0:00:49panel of of or even know where I'm going

0:00:54up people who watch this movie

0:00:55david lawrence here hello David hello

0:00:58when you said the governor of california

0:01:00i did have a split-second worried that

0:01:02Jerry Brown and I really want to see

0:01:04that i was going to say it's great Davis

0:01:06as the Terminator who want to see that

0:01:08uncertainty that's it bores you to death

0:01:10that's how that one works

0:01:12Eric and sign is also here and saw this

0:01:14movie yes I I guess I've seen it a few

0:01:17times of one of those times was recently

0:01:19good excellent that's what we're looking

0:01:21for

0:01:21that's pretty much it and Steve Lutz who

0:01:24i believe watched it twice recently

0:01:27first I'm gonna rip the buttons off your

0:01:29blouse yeah I'm one of you

0:01:33ah it was either that or don't make me

0:01:36bust you up man

0:01:38yeah yeah I like that guy that character

0:01:40Matt you're bunking with whatever it

0:01:42covers me if you want to live

0:01:44yes i did watch this movie twice

0:01:46recently all right over the past week

0:01:48actually two-and-a-half times because

0:01:50the netflix DVD skipped midway through

0:01:53during key scene and so I had to go out

0:01:55and buy the blu-ray

0:01:56oh I'm happy I did because this movie is

0:02:00is a longtime favorite of mine although

0:02:03having not watched it in probably a

0:02:05couple of decades and watched again

0:02:07twice this week it its it's not quite as

0:02:11much of a favorite message

0:02:13be well you know I'm glad I'm not the

0:02:14only one that felt that way it has it

0:02:17has a lot of issues i actually I

0:02:21watching it back I like it but it's not

0:02:25it has a lot of issues yeah well I

0:02:27suppose we'll get to get to all of this

0:02:29it's it started a it started the

0:02:33franchise it's hard to watch it without

0:02:35I saw the second one first

0:02:37I never said I i was only after

0:02:39terminator two became a huge hit in the

0:02:41nineties that I went back and watch the

0:02:42original terminator

0:02:44I think has a kind of a charm a

0:02:46low-budget kind of an eighties very this

0:02:50is the most eighties movie I've seen in

0:02:51a long time but it's pretty eighties

0:02:53yeah like blend Hamilton's hair is in

0:02:57her clothes this area the play at be the

0:03:00street she walks down to me being lug

0:03:03and the techno war club in particular

0:03:06yeah our first introduction to sarah

0:03:08connor is is her writing her honda

0:03:11scooter

0:03:11oh yes very enormous hair feathered

0:03:14within an inch of its life she's got on

0:03:16a pink backpack some sort of teal

0:03:18scoopneck members-only like jacket

0:03:21acid-washed guess Gino yes yes she is

0:03:25the nineteen eighties in this scene and

0:03:27it's all brought home you in that one

0:03:29moment its wondrous and I mean the music

0:03:31is so eighties I its 18th I felt like I

0:03:34was watching a live-action video game

0:03:36and because it's so low-budget none of

0:03:38it is is licensed music so it's all like

0:03:40anonymous move music by some friend of

0:03:42James Cameron yeah it's all the same guy

0:03:45i believe it i didn't mind investing so

0:03:48here's my opinion about the music is I

0:03:50didn't mind the yamaha piano synthesizer

0:03:53mood music where it was like this is

0:03:56what sort of sounds like a piano I did

0:04:00mind and there's actually it's very

0:04:01jarring when they have they're not to

0:04:03just jump to the end the movie business

0:04:04for talk about the music that you know

0:04:06they Sarah and Kyle have their moment

0:04:09and it's sort of in this in this calm

0:04:11and peaceful piano music and then the

0:04:15Terminator appears and we immediately

0:04:16get it

0:04:18just this this just simply ball that

0:04:24happens it's is very casio the phrase i

0:04:29wrote down in my notes is action info

0:04:32pulse

0:04:33is shitty that I wrote

0:04:38wow you know I i do have notes on that

0:04:48scene between between the two of them

0:04:51because that's that is my favorite scene

0:04:52in the whole movie because i'm being

0:04:53sloppy know girls that we can still play

0:04:58well for you

0:04:59these many years later it really does

0:05:01iced I got tears this time just like I

0:05:03do every single time and I I really did

0:05:06like the music in that part I think

0:05:07because it was so different from the

0:05:09reference to the movie I was yeah it was

0:05:12it wasn't this big spiky these days when

0:05:14you get a scene like that movies quite

0:05:16often you get this big swelling bit of

0:05:18music that telling you what you're

0:05:20supposed to feel doctor who I'm looking

0:05:22at you are you get hella luya yeah in

0:05:24this case it was super minimal and like

0:05:27it just it leaves the viewer to feel

0:05:28however they want to feel about that

0:05:29scene without the note that I hate being

0:05:32directed by music sometimes and and i

0:05:35like that but then I think I blocked out

0:05:37the fact that this has popped into it

0:05:39can't so soon afterwards even something

0:05:42like Miami Vice i remember from this era

0:05:44they had their the you know Michael man

0:05:47like to do the occasional moody moody

0:05:49part so that would be the movie part it

0:05:51would be that quiet kind of tingly synth

0:05:53piano and that was like I think they did

0:05:56that that is aged better because it was

0:05:59it was meant to be low-key although i

0:06:02think the bumble bumble the drum thing

0:06:05pom-poms grandma still works pretty well

0:06:07yeah that's the part that they kept

0:06:09using right

0:06:11yes we have jumped ahead i did want to

0:06:13say after saying that this is no longer

0:06:14a huge favorite of mine that I i still

0:06:18like it a lot and largely because i can

0:06:21remember how great it seemed in 1984

0:06:24when it came out and and how different

0:06:27it was then a lot of the other yeah i'm

0:06:30not sure what to do as you mentioned

0:06:32earlier it's it's a little hard to

0:06:33categorize this into a genre and then

0:06:35there's a lot of there's a lot of horror

0:06:36elements like a horror movie minutes

0:06:39with a cyber but there's there's not

0:06:41enough of like the kind of the tents

0:06:43quiet the somebody's going to jump out

0:06:46of your moments

0:06:47to really be a horror movie so there's a

0:06:48lot of action more technically I guess i

0:06:51would say it's a monster movie

0:06:53ok sure like I could see that but then

0:06:55it's wrapped in sort of that that that

0:06:57time time-travel creek it's like she's

0:07:01like 40 around this it's burrito film

0:07:04didn't make me hungry

0:07:06yeah i think i need to eat something the

0:07:08huh

0:07:09it is i'm glad you mentioned the the her

0:07:14riding up in her scooter at the

0:07:16beginning when we first see sarah and

0:07:17this isn't where the movie starts but

0:07:18since you mentioned i'm going to win it

0:07:20back just to mention that i watch this

0:07:22with my wife and i and i was commenting

0:07:24on the scooter which is like that so

0:07:27eighties the boxee kind of scooter shape

0:07:29it's a honda elite 120 and she's got her

0:07:32hair and all that and then and then she

0:07:34gets off and my hand and lauren just

0:07:36says it's it's not the scooter it's the

0:07:39acid washed guess jeans really put it

0:07:42over the top it is but but one of the

0:07:44things I love about that is even when

0:07:47even now it helps you read is like this

0:07:50is not somebody whose fate it determines

0:07:54the fate of the human race right that's

0:07:56the whole point is she's friendly

0:07:57unassuming person she's the kind of gal

0:08:00that gets ice cream scoop into her

0:08:01pocket and Syngenta and you got the

0:08:06blu-ray I rented the HD version from

0:08:08itunes and that's the other thing I

0:08:09remember is when I did watch this movie

0:08:11for the first time which was after

0:08:12Terminator came out it was a really

0:08:14terrible SD you know TV probably TV

0:08:19network transfer and it was awful and it

0:08:22looks a lot better clean up they cleaned

0:08:24it up pretty well and it's still it is

0:08:26what it is but it was nice to see an hd2

0:08:28I did originally see this movie by long

0:08:31before Terminator 2 I think mainly

0:08:34because I heard it had horror elements

0:08:35and I was always kind of into or as a

0:08:37kid but it in my recollection this movie

0:08:41seems like it just came and went from

0:08:42the theater is almost instantly and and

0:08:45we're really got huge was on video just

0:08:47through word-of-mouth of people who had

0:08:48seen it I've sense read that that it

0:08:51actually is considered kind of a modest

0:08:53hit of of the time period that was

0:08:55released in which i think was like late

0:08:57October

0:08:58which is not a particularly high season

0:09:00for 44 movies so do not hit that point

0:09:04doesn't mean a whole lot but it really

0:09:06doesn't surprise me that it wasn't like

0:09:08a gigantic blockbuster because if if you

0:09:11look at the marketing from the trailer

0:09:12to the the poster which is just like

0:09:14Arnold face it looks absolutely awful

0:09:17tasting all the all the PR I mean the

0:09:21trailer is so bad it looks like an ultra

0:09:23low budget just piece of crap and none

0:09:26of the one of the interesting effects or

0:09:28you know I guess it would kind of be a

0:09:31bit of a spoiler to show Arnold in all

0:09:33torn up with the robot parts coming

0:09:35through and so I guess it's good from

0:09:36that perspective but it certainly

0:09:38doesn't make you want to run out and

0:09:39watch the movie so this movie starts by

0:09:42the way with the year 2029 los angeles

0:09:46in the most eighties computer font ever

0:09:48you know I always forget that it starts

0:09:51in the future I mean as many times as i

0:09:53watch this i always forget about how

0:09:55much happens in the future with the

0:09:57crazy models and a little skulls

0:09:59disintegrating and stuff makes me happy

0:10:02every time holla motion which is

0:10:03surprisingly well done I've got their

0:10:05parts of this that don't hold up well

0:10:07but i think a lot of that particularly

0:10:08the big treaded gigantic robot that that

0:10:13drives around crushing massive piles of

0:10:15skulls and shooting at people lot of

0:10:17skulls and that's a that's a very

0:10:19well-done piece of work right there it

0:10:21looks fairly authentic even today

0:10:23yeah they've got the and and then it

0:10:25comes back not only is there the

0:10:26beginning but then there's this sort of

0:10:28future flashforward that happens later

0:10:30in the movie so we spend more time than

0:10:31I ever remember in this movie seeing

0:10:34this this future wasteland with the

0:10:37rusty like rusty cars from the eighties

0:10:40that that are driving around but it's

0:10:44pretty cool and and then one of the

0:10:46things I really like is that this is

0:10:48obviously the theme that camera is

0:10:50trying to have in this movie is about

0:10:52the machines because we see these giant

0:10:54machines in the future and then the next

0:10:56thing we see is like that big trash

0:11:00truck dump truck tow truck whatever it

0:11:02is another huge machine in the present

0:11:04and this throughout this movie we keep

0:11:06seeing robots and machines and stuff

0:11:09like that to say you know basically

0:11:11they're here

0:11:12they are they're all around us kind of

0:11:13thing but i like it i it wasn't it

0:11:16didn't seem totally hammered home it was

0:11:17it was more it was I thought really

0:11:20nicely done when we get to the president

0:11:21there's that big truck

0:11:23well that's cool too because for a

0:11:24second you're not aware that you're in

0:11:25the present so right you're looking at

0:11:27the lift arms on this trash truck and

0:11:29you're thinking oh well we're still in

0:11:31the post-apocalyptic future and then

0:11:33tell the driver says what the hell and

0:11:35opens the film with that line in just a

0:11:38few seconds later you get the little toy

0:11:39truck being completely crushed under the

0:11:41tread of a bigger of the mega-resort

0:11:44something that's not a skull but it you

0:11:46know I get it I get it

0:11:48yeah yeah I like that that was what

0:11:50that's how mean the Terminator is that

0:11:52he drives over somebody's toy truck

0:11:54Oh bad guy so so the Terminator appears

0:11:57in a flash of lightning and stuff and

0:12:02he's totally naked

0:12:03yes we see an awful lot of Arnold model

0:12:06are yes indeed I he's got uh he visits

0:12:11with a a quartet of Punk's a trio trio

0:12:15Punk's you're right 30 Punk's one of

0:12:18them is Bill Paxton yes I had never

0:12:21noticed that before I have another thing

0:12:23i always forget I knew that but i always

0:12:24forget that he's in this and the end and

0:12:27one of whom is the guy who played the

0:12:29alien bounty hunter in the x-files

0:12:31yes I told that was this was the first

0:12:33time i picked that out and he was also

0:12:35one of the master's apprentices and

0:12:37buffy the vampire slayer that first

0:12:38season of that he's been Brian

0:12:40something-or-other he's been in a

0:12:41million things but I was like is that

0:12:42guy so he was so the Terminator give me

0:12:47a close there's some words David those

0:12:51give them to me now

0:12:52No nice night for a walk but the in one

0:12:57respect it's nice that this film doesn't

0:12:59have very many Arnold lines because we

0:13:01can recite them all of course this box

0:13:03and stripping there's no reason to hold

0:13:06back and then Michael Biehn shows up as

0:13:09well yeah

0:13:11sorry and he gets his eighties clothes

0:13:13and this is this is the parallel so

0:13:14we've got try it's hard to put yourself

0:13:16in the mind of the filmgoers the AV mode

0:13:19Steve you you SAT through this movie

0:13:20upfront we're not it's not really clear

0:13:23whoo-hoo shorts- really is that he's a

0:13:28robot in fact it seems like the movie is

0:13:30trying to play with like this question

0:13:32of is is Michael being good or bad even

0:13:36at this point although i think it's

0:13:37pretty clear that he's gonna be good i

0:13:40think just by virtue of the fact that

0:13:41you've got one guy that's clearly evil

0:13:43you know he picks up and killing people

0:13:45although that's not necessarily a bad

0:13:47thing it could be in hiring so you

0:13:49assume that the guy that comes after is

0:13:51the cop right

0:13:52yeah yeah the one thing that bothers me

0:13:54a little bit is is Reese's running from

0:13:57the cops he he does a little bargain

0:13:59clothes shopping which is which is sort

0:14:02of amusing he's so little concerned

0:14:05about the police that are chasing him

0:14:06that he takes the time to measure the

0:14:07shoes up to his feet make sure they're

0:14:09gonna fit well you know these are these

0:14:11are softies these are these are folks

0:14:13that are alive before the big war so you

0:14:15think you can probably take well he's

0:14:16covered with scars which we've already

0:14:17seen I mean that first shot of him

0:14:19getting up from good the ground he's

0:14:20he's got all sorts of very old very

0:14:22nasty-looking scars on his back so we

0:14:24already know he's pretty tough but that

0:14:26just kind of drives the point home you

0:14:28see he's picking out a nice shirt and

0:14:30and some and some cool kik said some

0:14:32nikes which may be an early instance of

0:14:35some product placement although this is

0:14:37so low budget i doubt that actually

0:14:39happened but but the thing that bothers

0:14:41me is he still is wearing the pants that

0:14:43he pulled off the bomb in the alley

0:14:45yes and he never changes it several

0:14:49times during the movie I just looked at

0:14:50him and five

0:14:51you know those pants probably smell like

0:14:53pee that's what I'm thinking and the

0:14:55whole love scene that's all performed

0:14:57with the pee soaked pants oh why did

0:15:00y'all go and ruin it for music happen

0:15:03these are the times

0:15:04no no that's not how strong their love

0:15:06is they were truly meant to be because

0:15:08she can get past right now

0:15:10alright well I mean he has thats that

0:15:12sweet line that he lays on her i came

0:15:14across time for you yes that for you

0:15:18know that's a quality line because it it

0:15:19it had to be to overcome the fact that

0:15:21he's still wearing the bum

0:15:22but yeah you know he's gotta be rancid

0:15:27that whole thing i'm just wondering you

0:15:28know why don't you pick out some new

0:15:29pants and I'm thinking that you maybe

0:15:31school that maybe like sit well in the

0:15:33future in the Machine Holocaust those

0:15:37bums pants are considered clean that's

0:15:39can't pinpoint that's true you know

0:15:42mhm you know it's tough in the future he

0:15:46it's a it's a smell of home in fact I

0:15:48bet that I betcha

0:15:50the other thing here is we're introduced

0:15:52to Reese that's a little strange that he

0:15:56also has some pretty serious hair

0:15:58feathering going on every style comes

0:16:01back around eventually we have all the

0:16:03things to survive the apocalypse I would

0:16:05never have expected the bryan adams

0:16:06haircut to make it but he's got it and

0:16:11it's it's pretty well groomed for a

0:16:13future dude he wears it well that and

0:16:16that's an effect of the of the time

0:16:18travel

0:16:18thanks to the fact that you're here

0:16:21tricity in there you didn't like strips

0:16:24off your clothes feathers your hair

0:16:26kinda mooses you a little bit yeah if

0:16:28you go to the eighties it maybe some

0:16:30other decade the hairstyle is different

0:16:31but in the eighties and that's what

0:16:32happens

0:16:33so when we perfect time travel basically

0:16:35you get up in the morning time travel

0:16:36forward one minute and then you're done

0:16:38for you know your preparations for the

0:16:39day I gotta do is put on some deodorant

0:16:42wow I want that yeah forget this going

0:16:44back in time and kill Hitler business i

0:16:46just want the haircut it's just don't

0:16:48want to do my hair and so there's

0:16:54another lady nice lady named Sarah

0:16:55Connor who is has the unfortunate is

0:16:58this movie but by the way brought to you

0:16:59by the phone book

0:17:00pour one out for the cellphone payphones

0:17:03in the phone book

0:17:04let your fingers do the walking isn't a

0:17:07little strange that the last remaining

0:17:09humans were still able to give Rhys the

0:17:11special training needed to look in the

0:17:13phone book and use it was probably an

0:17:16elder a tribal elder in 2020 that said I

0:17:19gotta go to pages there was four books

0:17:22well they probably have a bunch of bunk

0:17:23phone book somewhere and they're just

0:17:24using them as like toilet papers

0:17:27warehouse i assume the nuclear holocaust

0:17:29they all burnt up right now but he knows

0:17:31and and Arnold nose and I can sort of i

0:17:33can sort of understand why the

0:17:35Terminator would know because that

0:17:36probably is in the database somewhere in

0:17:38the program whether they're gonna say

0:17:39look you there's no searchable anything

0:17:41on the internet right now so it you know

0:17:43so what you're going to have to do on

0:17:45the skynet so what you're gonna have to

0:17:47do is there these printed directories

0:17:49and you look at them and so so there are

0:17:51three Sarah Connors in la fortunately

0:17:52our sarah connor is the third one and so

0:17:55we visit we visit the the nice lady

0:17:58sarah connor who is horribly murdered by

0:18:00the the Terminator which is our first

0:18:03firsthand Arnold Schwarzenegger or I

0:18:05guess that's not even the first in a bad

0:18:07guy and he's coming for Sarah Connor

0:18:08very bad guy

0:18:10help meanwhile Michael beam has seen a

0:18:12large machine at a construction site and

0:18:14I think if those pants didn't already

0:18:16smell like pee

0:18:19yeah and then he has a little flash

0:18:21forward of big machines that killed

0:18:22everybody in that the beach of skulls

0:18:24what where the other body parts i asked

0:18:26you to collect the skulls and make like

0:18:28piles of skulls and another place

0:18:30there's like ribs the skulls tend to

0:18:32tend to be on top there well organized

0:18:34as the people get shot all the the other

0:18:37bones drop and the skulls land on top

0:18:39they have used for the other body parts

0:18:41they are machines they might like to put

0:18:43them in like organize them and sort them

0:18:45into a good point well they may have a

0:18:46whole khadra humans that just sort the

0:18:49bones and sort of sales and one spot

0:18:51like the guys that have to run the

0:18:52disposal units all day and not there's

0:18:54also bone sorters that's good that makes

0:18:56me that makes you feel better having fun

0:18:58with it doesn't really make any man can

0:19:00we talk a little bit about his next

0:19:01flash forward there

0:19:02oh yeah and he sees the the construction

0:19:04machine I i really liked it because I

0:19:07mean when I think about this movie

0:19:08overall it's it's your stereotypical a

0:19:10dude goes back in time and he's saving a

0:19:12lady in blah blah blah but when he gets

0:19:14forward his his fellow soldier who's

0:19:17running around with him in and trying to

0:19:19take out the giant machines is a woman

0:19:21yeah so I just I thought that was really

0:19:22cool right right at the beginning there

0:19:25that you see it yeah the future maybe

0:19:27the gender lines aren't going to be

0:19:28quite so strictly drawn because you know

0:19:31we just need to survive and ignore all

0:19:33that BS that sort of comes along with it

0:19:34now so that that seemed really perked me

0:19:37up this time watching it and there's a

0:19:39whole line later where

0:19:40says that the women of his time are good

0:19:41fighters that's the first thing that

0:19:42comes to his mind

0:19:43yes exactly like it of course she gets

0:19:47killed but just about everybody in the

0:19:49future gets killed so that's I think she

0:19:51largely disintegrates and maybe the

0:19:52skull is all that's left

0:19:54ah maybe that's how it works

0:19:58could be yeah I like that I like that

0:20:00line later where he's like I you know

0:20:03they're there they're warriors they're

0:20:05very strong warriors women are the

0:20:07future what do you mean I don't know

0:20:08what you're talking about so glad

0:20:10Henrickson and paul winfield eighties

0:20:12cops they're the original lethal weapons

0:20:15so excited to see the guy from wrath of

0:20:17khan and you recognize him for what's

0:20:19and mr. millennium yeah

0:20:22oh I have such a huge Lance Henriksen

0:20:24crisis i'll always be a bishop to me

0:20:26yes well he gave up that's why I think

0:20:28that's the source of my land Henry

0:20:30single conviction

0:20:31this is true you're right you know

0:20:32rightly so absolutely

0:20:34so there there in the eighties police

0:20:37precinct before that we have the great

0:20:41scene in the gun shop with Arnold

0:20:43picking out is always up for that ok

0:20:45he's picking out his new his armory is

0:20:48portable armory

0:20:49so if you own a gun shop wouldn't you be

0:20:51hesitant to give people the materials to

0:20:54arm themselves and then kill you and

0:20:56take the guns

0:20:57it does seem a little odd although this

0:20:59gun shop owner does make a point of

0:21:01saying any one of these is ideal for

0:21:03home defense as Arnold as are looking at

0:21:05his e 9 millimeters he might not be

0:21:09entirely balanced to begin with

0:21:11hey this guy looks like the governor

0:21:13I'll trust him they got the time wrong

0:21:14they're talking a little early

0:21:18here's where we get roughly two-thirds

0:21:20of Arnold's lines he reads on religious

0:21:23guns that he looked about the phase

0:21:24plasma cannon do you have one of those

0:21:26in the 40-watt range

0:21:29yeah it's just what you see here but

0:21:31alright that I would kill you now that's

0:21:35the whole scene wrong well that's that

0:21:37might be his very first that wrong right

0:21:40there might be his very first quip huh

0:21:42I'm not sure he got any approach it at

0:21:45Arnold clips in Conan I like the when

0:21:49the cops i think it is call Sarah Connor

0:21:53they get the the annoying answering

0:21:55answering machine that i think is her

0:21:57roommate

0:21:58yes and that that's great because again

0:22:00we're talking about these all these

0:22:01machine things that happened in this

0:22:03movie and that's the hi there

0:22:04fooled you you're talking to a machine

0:22:07yeah oh and it follows up with oh but

0:22:10machines need love too

0:22:11yes no ginger it doesn't go well for her

0:22:17yes it seems a little odd that the they

0:22:19would send the car that's watching

0:22:20Sarah's house out on a call in order for

0:22:23Arnold to walk up to the house you know

0:22:26the bad luck it's not well it's not good

0:22:28policing I'll tell you that no now one

0:22:31Lance Henriksen would be very angry

0:22:32about it later if he weren't dead then

0:22:36nipple

0:22:37timing is everything so so i'm sarah

0:22:40connor is being stalked by michael biehn

0:22:43which is funny she knows he's following

0:22:44her and she's uh she's kind of creeped

0:22:47out by that so she ducks into a swinging

0:22:50nightclub called tech Noir

0:22:52I know it's on pico it is on pico I know

0:22:55yeah I find it hard to believe that that

0:22:57that middle-aged police detective paul

0:22:59winfield knows exactly where tech nor in

0:23:02this this crappy like restaurant

0:23:05converted into a really awful my club is

0:23:08like they've tried to break up some

0:23:10break dancing competitions that got out

0:23:11of control or something yeah I just like

0:23:13I felt like the idea that that that was

0:23:15just giving us a little bit of a

0:23:17backstory for him in a very subtle way I

0:23:19think his character fleshed out a little

0:23:21bit for me when he gave that line he

0:23:22knows he also used to work the beat on

0:23:24pico and so he knows where all the

0:23:27businesses are on that's much less

0:23:30interesting yeah you're right it sure is

0:23:31also take more probably has only been

0:23:33there for about like five days are done

0:23:36believing it's a long-serving member of

0:23:39the los angeles club scene i think both

0:23:41Winfield and Hendricks and make them

0:23:43make the best of their few moments on

0:23:45screen in this movie

0:23:46given that given how little time they

0:23:48have I think we get a pretty good

0:23:49fleshing out of their characters you

0:23:51know Winfield of course the

0:23:52long-suffering lieutenant and and

0:23:55hendrickson you know he's he's got a lot

0:23:57of stories he'd like to tell but chief

0:23:59never lets him get to the end of the get

0:24:01to the good part

0:24:03is endlessly amused by thinks he's

0:24:05seeing but the chief keeps him in line

0:24:06its they're both pretty entertaining in

0:24:08this they don't seem they seemed

0:24:10competent to right i mean they're

0:24:11they're they're dealing with something

0:24:13that's completely outside of their of

0:24:15their sphere of understanding and they

0:24:16got they talk about its the phonebook

0:24:17killer catchy name but they're actually

0:24:20pretty fast buy it buy it buy standards

0:24:23of these kinds of movies that they pick

0:24:24up on after only two kills any other

0:24:27horror movie it would take at least

0:24:28three or four different different kills

0:24:30and then it would still be the cops kind

0:24:32of figuring out that there's a phonebook

0:24:33killer that would be watching instead of

0:24:35and refusing to believe it for no good

0:24:37Yeah right

0:24:38no there's not enough time in the in

0:24:40this movie for them to be like that

0:24:42right because and then not enough budget

0:24:44to keep them around that many days yeah

0:24:45so we've only got this police precinct

0:24:49for these two scenes

0:24:50that's her Megan County up there

0:24:53actually is a little bit of a deleted

0:24:55scene content with with lieutenant

0:24:58Traxler paul winfield where he gradually

0:25:01comes to believe Michael Biehn story uh

0:25:03it was a it would end in the end is

0:25:06they're leaving the building and he's

0:25:07bleeding out he tells me he tells Kyle

0:25:10you know you got to keep her safe but it

0:25:13it really was pretty extraneous no he

0:25:17didn't really need a character arc it's

0:25:19actually a little better when he's just

0:25:20kind of the anonymous police chief dies

0:25:23technical or maybe my favorite thing in

0:25:25this entire movie I've decided because

0:25:27it is like the distilled eighties in oh

0:25:32yeah that's a tease freebase right it is

0:25:34so amazing but we cut away from tech

0:25:37Noir to visit with ginger and her

0:25:40boyfriend rick rossovich from top gun so

0:25:42maybe bust you up man and Roxanne right

0:25:46he's the dumb see that is inserted yes

0:25:48yes yes yes I recognize him from okay so

0:25:51here's the years we have two more

0:25:53message that james cameron's laying down

0:25:55here because ginger after having sex

0:25:58with her boyfriend decides she really

0:26:00wants a giant sandwich so I can argue so

0:26:05she puts on her what I mean a giant said

0:26:07not a little set a giant sandwich so

0:26:09like a Dagwood kind of school

0:26:11this is a writer who understands women

0:26:13so she puts on her she puts on her

0:26:15Walkman and I feel like this is a

0:26:17commentary on you know we're shutting

0:26:19out our world she's gonna be in it's the

0:26:21middle of the night or whatever you put

0:26:22on her Walkman she's gonna make herself

0:26:24a giant sandwich and as a result she

0:26:26doesn't even realize that there's a

0:26:28killer cyborg in her apartment until

0:26:31it's far too late

0:26:32that's the scene that really it just

0:26:33plays out like a slasher yeah sure flick

0:26:36their that was one name that was when I

0:26:37was watching it realizing this time how

0:26:40much more the horror stands out the

0:26:42science fiction than can I think about

0:26:44it in hindsight I always remember the

0:26:46syfy bit because I think it's the story

0:26:48that really appeals to me but then

0:26:50watching it play out it was it was a lot

0:26:52more horror II you know definitely agree

0:26:55that the you know that the headphones

0:26:57was another nod to machine you know

0:26:59yeah they're they're troublesome that's

0:27:01actually very similar to a scene in

0:27:02halloween where I think it's pj soles is

0:27:04raiding the fridge well I was creeping

0:27:06up on her so I may even be in the

0:27:08category of homage but yet it plays out

0:27:11very horror ESCA specialist she's

0:27:13continuing to make your sandwich is her

0:27:15boyfriend is being kicked all around the

0:27:18room now

0:27:19seriously look at look at that sandwich

0:27:21it is it is the biggest in which you

0:27:23will ever see it is awesome even if she

0:27:25was making for herself and him and they

0:27:27would be room for for the Terminator to

0:27:29have some it is a huge sandwich that's

0:27:31what I was no recollection of this film

0:27:33I remember they're actually having been

0:27:35more blood and guts and and having me

0:27:38watched it I thought wow there's there's

0:27:39very little i did i mention that because

0:27:41this is the one scene is as the

0:27:43boyfriend pops out of the door and says

0:27:45no and in arnold then bursts out after

0:27:49he's a little bloody and a little beaten

0:27:52up and in bad shape but it's it's really

0:27:54not bad and I i remember it being a lot

0:27:57more i remember this the r-rating having

0:27:59been earned a lot to a lot of cutting

0:28:02away of you know you you the gun goes up

0:28:05to 2.2 the person's head and then I were

0:28:07first shot and you hear the the bang of

0:28:10the gun but you don't see like there had

0:28:11exploded the brains why it's like it's

0:28:15the horror of you know what happened to

0:28:17them and yeah and and I was I like the

0:28:20restraint but also it's cheaper so

0:28:23yeah there's that he did learn from

0:28:24roger corman after all the man had to be

0:28:27cheap sure she poor I mean that as a

0:28:31compliment ya but ya know why they and

0:28:33you could argue that you don't you don't

0:28:34need that that's it you don't that's a

0:28:36different kind of movie right you can

0:28:37you can go with the blood and guts or

0:28:39you can go with the the more

0:28:40psychological of you know and that's the

0:28:42point here is this is a relentless

0:28:44killing machine

0:28:45well that's the thing is I there isn't a

0:28:47lot of blood and guts and yet i still

0:28:48remember it as having been pretty

0:28:50violent pretty pretty bloody and in fact

0:28:52that's it was just me it's what you

0:28:54don't see it you know what what's in

0:28:57your head is going to be more horrific

0:28:58than anything they can show you

0:29:00so if they don't show you anything just

0:29:02like oh I know what that was I don't

0:29:03know about that hurts

0:29:06well it's kinda like in psycho you never

0:29:09actually see the knife plunging body but

0:29:12everyone knows how i sought over she

0:29:13fits over and over

0:29:15no never happened uh let's see uh come

0:29:19with me if you want to live

0:29:21now i do want to say before we get to

0:29:23that particular line that of the things

0:29:27that I think still work pretty well in

0:29:28this movie the scene in tech more tech

0:29:31nor where the slow mo kind of kicks in

0:29:33yeah the crappy eighties music slowly

0:29:35gets more and more muffled by the bumble

0:29:38that that scene is still wonderfully

0:29:40tense and I think as effective as it was

0:29:42in nineteen eighty-four which is good to

0:29:44see this is the one seemed to where you

0:29:46really get the payoff of or you know the

0:29:49Terminator goes down right there

0:29:51gunshots he goes down and and and you

0:29:55earn that like he's not dead because

0:29:59he's you know this magical creature is

0:30:02it like a unicorn it just like but yeah

0:30:06I guess I like all the technical stuff

0:30:08but this is the moment and again i have

0:30:10this line in my head because it's

0:30:12repeated in the second terminator movie

0:30:14from arnold schwarzenegger but here it's

0:30:17not it's it's it's a car race who says

0:30:19Michael being who says come with me if

0:30:21you want to live and this is the moment

0:30:23where we know now it's been revealed

0:30:24he's a killer robot that's going to be

0:30:26trying to kill sarah Conner we get a POV

0:30:28shot for the first time we can talk

0:30:32about the govt shot yes

0:30:34so back in the day you know in the VHS

0:30:38days you could try to pause during the

0:30:40Terminator POV but you would get a bunch

0:30:43of jittery tracking lines and that would

0:30:46be about it you have no chance of ever

0:30:47reading what's actually on the screen

0:30:49during this POV shots

0:30:51nowadays with blu-ray you can read it

0:30:53and you can discover that you're looking

0:30:54at somebody's assembly code with

0:30:57comments no less i'm not entirely sure

0:30:59why the t101 was programmed with

0:31:02comments including comments that read

0:31:05poke 16k Ram bank so he's got a 16k bank

0:31:10of memory somewhere in inside that metal

0:31:12skull you know which just a hair is like

0:31:15a timex sinclair yeah so there's there's

0:31:17some pretty old code you know in some in

0:31:20some of these movies where you got a

0:31:21cyborg or a robot POV what you end up

0:31:23with him I think Terminator 2 is like

0:31:25this it actually is showing you like

0:31:27what the on-board computer system is is

0:31:31is doing so would be like Target and you

0:31:34know tracking sarah connor and all that

0:31:36kind of stuff on the screen this movie

0:31:37makes no attempt to do that at all it's

0:31:40literally just like we put a red thing

0:31:41so everything will look a little

0:31:43different we got some computer crap that

0:31:45will just appear and disappear i have

0:31:47whatever some credit that they actually

0:31:48did use something that came from a

0:31:50computer its computer reference for a

0:31:53little bit later you see an output of a

0:31:54run from key perfect four-point-oh which

0:31:56was a checksum generator when you use to

0:31:59type in programs for magazines and and

0:32:02you run this checksum generator to make

0:32:04sure you didn't miss type one of the

0:32:05various hex codes deep cuts to and so it

0:32:08again in this case the file in question

0:32:10is overlaid on object vly dot obj wow so

0:32:15i did i did a little searching around

0:32:16for overall I'd object the internet it

0:32:18turns out that code was originally

0:32:20written by harlan ellison back in

0:32:22nineteen deep winter acknowledgement to

0:32:30the computer programs a Harlan Ellison I

0:32:33have no computer and I must code oh I i

0:32:36saw ki perfect for dough and I just

0:32:38started crying because wow you guys

0:32:43tried but not not so hard

0:32:46so much it did come from a computer but

0:32:49it was nice of Skynet to leave the

0:32:51comments it in this anybody wants to

0:32:53dissect Arnold later and figure out what

0:32:55makes his 16k Ram bank work

0:32:59yeah you know I actually put in my notes

0:33:00that that bit like I said watching this

0:33:03was not as a quite as enjoyable as I

0:33:05sort of remembered and i just put in my

0:33:07notes this movie must have been before I

0:33:09get bored with car chases

0:33:10there's an awful lot of car chases going

0:33:12on and I find extended car chases and

0:33:14action scenes highly boring something

0:33:17like in the the techno our action

0:33:18sequence that that is fun to me that

0:33:21that by going nuts are choreographed for

0:33:23ya when it goes on and on i just i get i

0:33:27get a little bored so I appreciate the

0:33:28exposition part of it but I felt like it

0:33:31was the chasing didn't need to go on

0:33:33quite as long as well it's not just car

0:33:35chases either roughly two-thirds of this

0:33:37movie is somebody being chased you know

0:33:39where it's either on foot or in cars

0:33:42will get the cops chasing read through

0:33:44the department store we get the giant

0:33:45future robot chasing reach through the

0:33:47hellish future scape Terminator chases

0:33:50recent Sarah on foot from tech Noir

0:33:51there's a car chase that he chases him

0:33:53later on a motorcycle and he chases him

0:33:55a fuel truck then the skeleton chases

0:33:57recent Sarah the Machine job and then

0:34:00the skeleton torso slow-speed chase and

0:34:02Sara through the hydraulic press

0:34:04yep and then thankfully the chases are

0:34:06over but it's really very chase heavy

0:34:09Phil yeah I felt like they could they

0:34:11could shorten it could shorten it down

0:34:13to like a half-hour episode of of some

0:34:16TV show and I would have probably been

0:34:17just like sitting with the outer limits

0:34:19you don't typically see the last Chase

0:34:24is that the top of the press catches up

0:34:26with the bottom of the press

0:34:27oh that's a good point the last last

0:34:30well then maybe the kid like chases

0:34:31sarah connor to take her photo could be

0:34:33there you go yeah and she's chasing a

0:34:36storm at the very and she is i just

0:34:39realized there's probably like a

0:34:4045-minute cassette tape somewhere in

0:34:42your Jeep about how to use the yellow

0:34:43pages

0:34:44oh yeah that's good

0:34:47the UH this is the image of the

0:34:49exposition here is that Kyrie stels her

0:34:52he's not a robot is a sideboard this can

0:34:54happen 40 years ago i wrote down I i do

0:34:56like this line a lot it's the it can't

0:34:58be bargained with

0:34:59a reason with it doesn't feel pity or

0:35:01fear it won't stop until you're dead

0:35:04yeah that's really nice and and that's

0:35:06what I like about about this monster

0:35:08movies horror movie that's also a sci-fi

0:35:10movie is so often you get these you get

0:35:13these creatures that keep coming and you

0:35:15kill them and they they're still alive

0:35:16and they keep coming and here that's the

0:35:18premise of the Terminator is it will

0:35:21just keep coming all it does kill it

0:35:22can't be reasoned with you can so we get

0:35:24a we get a car chase with some

0:35:27exposition it

0:35:30I like that she thats Sarah buys into

0:35:33what reeses telling her fairy fairly

0:35:34quickly here which is somewhat realistic

0:35:37given that she's just seen him you know

0:35:38shot with a shotgun multiple times and

0:35:40then get up right but she initially

0:35:42tries to get away

0:35:43she's in a panic and then she eventually

0:35:44settles in that you know about probably

0:35:47that guy shouldn't have been getting up

0:35:48and walking towards me so we don't need

0:35:50to go through 20 minutes of her

0:35:51continuing to try to get away from

0:35:53research into any any silliness like

0:35:56that the line that i liked happened

0:35:58during that scene where you know she's

0:36:00trying to bite him or stabbed or

0:36:02whatever it is and and he says to her

0:36:03cyborgs don't feel pain i do don't do

0:36:06that again so it's a good line it also

0:36:09really just sort of delineate that

0:36:10difference between you know i am the

0:36:12human here who has come to help you he

0:36:15is on the other side you know I'm the

0:36:17good guy and she does get it pretty

0:36:19quick

0:36:20also after he while he's driving and he

0:36:23tells about about the Terminator and all

0:36:24that he then recounts the entire plot of

0:36:26Terminator to essentially conveniently

0:36:29forward promoting the next movie in the

0:36:31series I thought that was really nice

0:36:33one thing that bothers me in this scene

0:36:36i realized that Reese has to be scarred

0:36:38up noticeably but did they have to stick

0:36:39one right under the corner of his mouth

0:36:41maybe this whole scene it looks like as

0:36:43a chunk of spaghetti stuck to this gym

0:36:45it in the parking garage they have this

0:36:49they have this rapid exchange of gunfire

0:36:53followed by more cars driving around the

0:36:56chase but but the the thing that really

0:36:59struck me about this is that after

0:37:01immediately following this massive

0:37:03exchange of gunfire they're rolling in

0:37:05separate aisles and the Terminator

0:37:06shooting out their windows and they're

0:37:08shooting back and all of that as soon as

0:37:10that's over

0:37:11sara is sitting there like she's

0:37:13go into the 7-eleven or something and

0:37:15that was the moment that really broke it

0:37:17for me where I thought you know she

0:37:18should be really freaked out and she

0:37:20totally I think it's just something

0:37:22about the way it was directed at the way

0:37:24that they were thinking about it seemed

0:37:26like a mistake to me she's just

0:37:27completely like she's just taking a ride

0:37:29somewhere

0:37:30one thing that's always kind of bothered

0:37:32me about his whole long exposition on

0:37:34the future and and what went down

0:37:36he points out that the old Terminator

0:37:38models had rubber skin but these new

0:37:40ones are much harder to spot ya

0:37:42it strikes me when we later see the

0:37:44Hubble that he lives in and all the

0:37:46emaciated people who eat nothing but

0:37:47gruel and rats you know just look for

0:37:50the gigantic Austrian yeah that's

0:37:52probably your terminated the one that's

0:37:55not all you know it looks like he just

0:37:57got out of a death camp that's the one

0:37:59he's the Terminator shoot him would be

0:38:02this this movie The Matrix have a lot in

0:38:04common right sun post-apocalypse

0:38:07machines take control

0:38:08there's a are they real humans are the

0:38:11machines you know there are a lot of lot

0:38:14of those things that these things have

0:38:15in common and that means it's sensible

0:38:16that did it would have to be a fairly

0:38:18muscle-bound looking human because they

0:38:20have that huge skeleton they've got a

0:38:22cover-up sure but he doesn't blend in

0:38:25with the crowd very well no I it's

0:38:27unclear to me if there are humans being

0:38:28kept as pets somewhere else in there

0:38:30what why do you build I mean I you think

0:38:33that if you're building the Terminator

0:38:34soy blend in and fight the humans that

0:38:37they would like you said match the

0:38:40humans and not look like big well-fed

0:38:42muscley Austrians yes I don't know that

0:38:45they necessarily need to blend in for

0:38:47that long I think they're just trying to

0:38:49infiltrate because really as soon as

0:38:50they got through the door

0:38:51it's you know the dogs sniffed amount of

0:38:54dollars you know you just started firing

0:38:56he just needed to get through the door

0:38:58he's under like a cowl or something but

0:39:00even underneath the cal you would expect

0:39:02you know the bulging biceps to make

0:39:03themselves pretty obvious right was that

0:39:06huge guy with us when we went out pretty

0:39:08serious was it oh well I want some gruel

0:39:13and I got some rats to wait for me said

0:39:15the Terminator gets wounded by the way

0:39:17we have what I think is maybe the

0:39:18grossest thing in this movie which is

0:39:20the exacto knife to the I self-surgery

0:39:22that's getting

0:39:23yeah yeah I have to say for Arnold say

0:39:28what you will about his acting

0:39:29capabilities but his vaguely robotic

0:39:31acting is I think pretty darn good in

0:39:33this movie

0:39:34yeah particularly in the in the cop car

0:39:36is he's scanning and and kind of like

0:39:38trying to locate where they're hidden

0:39:41out in the other car he does a pretty

0:39:44fine job of looking robotic here and

0:39:46there's some nice subtle makeup work

0:39:48that helps here too i think but he's

0:39:51decent in this movie it

0:39:53he's also very much better than the fake

0:39:55Arnold head that we see in a couple of

0:39:58scenes but see that's what i'm saying is

0:40:00they set up that the fake Arnold head it

0:40:03works a lot better than it should

0:40:04because of the work the way you really

0:40:06are in the film and and also that makeup

0:40:08work that they have on him in that car

0:40:10seen it right he already looks a little

0:40:11fake at that point that's true the to

0:40:15pull the police psychologist who talks

0:40:18to 2a oh god I left elbow and is the

0:40:21criminal psychologist he's definitely

0:40:22one of those he's that guy he is a high

0:40:24quality grade a eighties movie douchebag

0:40:27well that's always going to say is he

0:40:28this this is the same role as William

0:40:31Atherton and go to 70 i generally Oh No

0:40:34decade and films ever produced more

0:40:35wonderfully smarmy bastard that he is so

0:40:39good at this and he shows up in the

0:40:40other films to is every called isn't he

0:40:43oh yeah he's in the second why he's in

0:40:45the second and the third is that he

0:40:46Sarah's keep her at the institution and

0:40:49I think you're right attitude you know

0:40:50you're right so he made it he made an

0:40:52impact during his short scene

0:40:54yeah oh no it's a good it's a good you

0:40:56know hehe is the just like just like

0:40:59women and ghostbusters he is this

0:41:01authority figure that thinks he knows

0:41:02everything and in a normal world he

0:41:04would be right but this is the sci-fi

0:41:06world and he's completely wrong he

0:41:08pauses the tape to talk about i could

0:41:10make so much money just you know taking

0:41:13this guy out on the carnival circuit

0:41:14illusions are brilliant but he never

0:41:17really finds out that he's wrong because

0:41:19when i first saw him I was like isn't

0:41:20that the guy from the second unit seems

0:41:22that seems weird i just assumed he would

0:41:24get killed but then he walks out of the

0:41:25police station just as Arnold's coming

0:41:27in so he gets to go home and he you know

0:41:30he gets to eat up whatever excuse the

0:41:32police end up trying to come up with 44

0:41:34what happened just no terrorist

0:41:36whatever random generic thing is so he

0:41:38can go on believing that he was right

0:41:40the whole time and he finally gets to

0:41:41lock her up later on

0:41:43he's the expert somehow he gets a page

0:41:46so he has to look down to clear his

0:41:47pager

0:41:48well we're at the we're at that moment

0:41:50now we're a visitor pays pays a visit

0:41:53today LOL what is that Jason well it's

0:41:56it's a it's a classic moment where

0:41:58Arnold Schwarzenegger decides he's going

0:42:01to go in the front door of the police

0:42:02station and just sort of state of the

0:42:04back see if he could he can check in and

0:42:07provide some ID and that doesn't happen

0:42:09and so he wants to reassure the clerk at

0:42:12the front desk that uh that that he'll

0:42:15be back

0:42:17I think your plight of him to do that

0:42:19iconic scene for a reason because it's

0:42:21hilarious

0:42:22it really it's got that Indiana Jones

0:42:24shooting the swordsman gotta feel do it

0:42:26well and that the funny thing i mean

0:42:28people quote the line but the funny

0:42:29thing is not just that he says he'll be

0:42:31back it's that he's back immediately

0:42:33with a car driving through the front of

0:42:35the police station

0:42:36well he also holds back a little and he

0:42:38looks any kind of sizes up the the

0:42:40tensile strength of the partition that

0:42:42get a desk clerk is hi I'm behind which

0:42:44is a nice bit and then yes he's right

0:42:47back

0:42:47he didn't say how long it would be

0:42:48before you don't know that there's also

0:42:51that really nice

0:42:52it seems extraneous at the time but it

0:42:55suddenly becomes incredibly important

0:42:57which is he

0:42:58he can't hurt you here we got like 30

0:42:59guys here which we are you can see to

0:43:02see him killed my goal and connects

0:43:04thanks for giving us the body count up

0:43:06front

0:43:07yeah we got 30 guys kill 30 guys and

0:43:11then the Terminator comes and he just

0:43:13just starts killing all the cops which

0:43:15wich after after the comp massacre is

0:43:17done there's this scene where they're

0:43:19looking at the TV and there's this a.m

0:43:21and I was thinking there's no way that

0:43:2430 cops would be shot dead in downtown

0:43:27Los Angeles and there'd be like story

0:43:30number three on the local news is though

0:43:32there was an incident at the police

0:43:34station right there's no way that would

0:43:36be bad for the eighties this was bad for

0:43:403 24 hour news so you know know if that

0:43:43if if if the 30-30 guys police station

0:43:47were were shot to death they would

0:43:49listen to it then

0:43:50you see you were there there there

0:43:52listening to the radio and they talk

0:43:53about the largest manhunt has been

0:43:55spotted in California history of

0:43:57something

0:43:58yeah doesn't get on it fairly fast ya

0:44:01sure it's just it surprised me that it

0:44:02wasn't quite as bad as a freak out as

0:44:05well this is late at night this is this

0:44:06is a this is post John shoe back time at

0:44:09this point so they the kid he kills

0:44:11everybody basically uh and and then

0:44:16sarah & and reefs have to escape we get

0:44:21another nice little horror scene in

0:44:22there too as you know is it the

0:44:24Terminator inside the door outside the

0:44:25door the shadow outside the door but

0:44:27hiding under the desk

0:44:28it's it's it's kyle reese instead and

0:44:30they escape along with their accomplice

0:44:32a very rapidly played synthesizer for

0:44:38that don't have a little by little the

0:44:42horrible now that's it you got it you

0:44:45build it you can be the score for

0:44:48terminator four five six

0:44:50whatever genocide I they had a bit

0:44:54underpass or something like an underpass

0:44:57I don't know it's an underpass alright

0:44:59ya hear cars driving overhead and this

0:45:02is where this is where we get the

0:45:04another flash forward right his future

0:45:07time

0:45:07yep this one's long another enormous man

0:45:10verse percent shoot everybody now this

0:45:14happens all the time

0:45:15filthy people eat gruel there are rats

0:45:17that are eating as well and Sarah's

0:45:20picture turns up

0:45:21yeah we use television sets as make sure

0:45:23fireplaces the future is not so bad

0:45:27friend

0:45:27that's a good honestly i would i would

0:45:30enjoy that more than some TV shows I'm

0:45:32scenically yeah it's been that kind of

0:45:35season there's that there's a little pre

0:45:40discussion in the in the underpass about

0:45:43about what John Connor is like and the

0:45:47rice line here where she asks him to

0:45:49describe her son and and recess he's

0:45:52about my height which is a nice little

0:45:54bit of foreshadowing you know I really

0:45:57like that she she keeps throughout the

0:45:59whole film she keeps asking him you know

0:46:00talk to me tell me more things that is

0:46:02absolutely

0:46:03kind of thing that would help me through

0:46:05such a awful situation like that just

0:46:08you know keep talking keep my mind

0:46:09occupied and that seems like a really

0:46:11simple and realistic thing to do and I'm

0:46:14I've been trying to think of other films

0:46:16that that that sort of thing happens and

0:46:18it doesn't happen as often as I feel

0:46:19like it should you get the impression

0:46:20that she has pretty good instincts for

0:46:22survival and she she whips up a pretty

0:46:26good field dressing on his arm on her

0:46:28first try

0:46:29you and I i assume that part of why she

0:46:32keeps asking for description is because

0:46:34she needs to store it up for use later

0:46:35right

0:46:36she's already kind of sensing that she's

0:46:38she's got the weight of the world on her

0:46:40shoulders and so she's preparing well

0:46:42she says do I look like the mother of

0:46:44the future but this is this story is in

0:46:46that way this is this is sara realizing

0:46:49who she's going to be and it's not like

0:46:53who she needs to be and she has to

0:46:54change who she is it's like she's

0:46:56capable of doing these things and so she

0:46:58does them in the future and it's a it's

0:47:01quite a transformation I mean it's not

0:47:02quite as much a transformation is the

0:47:04first time we see her in Terminator 2

0:47:05but but it's quite a transformation from

0:47:08when she's on that scooter at the

0:47:10beginning when she's driving into the

0:47:11mountains at the end I think right yeah

0:47:13steven says you know you're talking

0:47:15about things I haven't done yet in the

0:47:16past tense it's driving me crazy

0:47:18I bet that it's kind of a mind trip

0:47:20actually takes it really well she does a

0:47:22pretty good job of a kind of having the

0:47:24duality of her character come out in

0:47:25this because you even towards the end

0:47:27where she tells Reese you know you stand

0:47:29up soldier

0:47:30she still sounds like kind of the cutesy

0:47:32trendy sarah connor of earlier

0:47:35she's not she's not made the full

0:47:36transition even at that point so she

0:47:38does have a pretty pretty good job with

0:47:40this character she does i think one of

0:47:41the other things that i noticed we got

0:47:43all our car chases watching her toughen

0:47:46up throughout she even suddenly plays it

0:47:49differently when they're in the car

0:47:50doing the chases from from one to the

0:47:52next to the next the chasing at the end

0:47:54when she's driving that truck

0:47:56she's driving with way more

0:47:57determination than she was driving the

0:47:59car earlier so she just but it's not

0:48:02over-the-top it's not like she's totally

0:48:04perfect at it yet it's if it's a

0:48:06believable amount of transformation and

0:48:08she plays it well I they end up at the

0:48:10motel where she asks like we talked

0:48:12about earlier

0:48:13tell me about the women in your time was

0:48:15there one was there someone

0:48:17no no there there good warriors and then

0:48:21he talks about her picture and how you

0:48:23were locked in a great line you were

0:48:25young like you are now I love the tenses

0:48:30in the grammar of this film could see

0:48:32you seem so sad and of course we will

0:48:34see that scene where that picture is

0:48:36taken later in the movie

0:48:38this is the point to where Sarah gives

0:48:39her quote and quote mom the hotel phone

0:48:41number so apparently your instincts

0:48:43aren't so good after all

0:48:45oh yeah but it gives us that that

0:48:46wonderful pan across the darkened cabin

0:48:48up in Big Bear as we kind of take in

0:48:50that huge shotgun hole in the door and

0:48:52we realized that's probably not mom

0:48:54talking and then yet suddenly it's

0:48:56revealed yet its determinant another

0:48:58power of the turbine which we got a

0:49:00little bit of earlier when he speaks as

0:49:02the cop on the on the radio so little

0:49:06setup their pays off nicely those of you

0:49:09who like michael biehn i'm going to say

0:49:10something that maybe you will dislike

0:49:12but I'm not gonna throw it out there

0:49:13that this moment having watched the this

0:49:16is the this scene between the living

0:49:18Hamilton michael biehn in the motel room

0:49:19i thought to myself i think this guy's

0:49:22not very charismatic with this move with

0:49:24this movie have been more effective if

0:49:26there was somebody who is a bigger star

0:49:29or a bigger personality in this part

0:49:32because he seems kinda like a cipher to

0:49:34me

0:49:35yeah how do i love him i find him just

0:49:38he's he's not over-the-top he's not

0:49:41super charismatic he just he's a real

0:49:43person he's a soldier he's he's a virgin

0:49:45I mean this is gonna be the kind of guy

0:49:47who's super smooth and comes and sweeps

0:49:49her off her feet

0:49:50he's just trying to get the job done and

0:49:52make her safe and I think that in itself

0:49:54just the fact that he just cares so much

0:49:57is is much more endearing than it would

0:50:00have been if he was you know giving her

0:50:01a wink and equip or something like that

0:50:03i just i would like the way he played

0:50:05the character it was underplayed and for

0:50:07me that completely work and it's not

0:50:09just because he's dreamy

0:50:10I change back there during other parts

0:50:14of the movie i have some problems with

0:50:15him I I think he could have been a bit

0:50:16stronger as an actor but in this I think

0:50:18in this lead up to the love scene I

0:50:20think he's actually pretty good he looks

0:50:22yeah delightfully uncomfortable with

0:50:24what's going on like he's not really

0:50:25sure what you almost like a little kid

0:50:27who's about to have his first experience

0:50:29you know

0:50:30I think he does that very well there are

0:50:33there other sequences where I feel like

0:50:34you know maybe a little more emphasis on

0:50:37certain lines would have to work i'll

0:50:39give you that yeah and-and-and as Jason

0:50:42noted earlier they come with me if you

0:50:44want to live which turned out to be an

0:50:46iconic line is is it's kind of a clunker

0:50:48it's deliver he yeah it it's an iconic

0:50:51line in the second second movie right

0:50:54well I mean but it's in the second movie

0:50:55because it was iconic from the first we

0:50:57well yeah he's fine i just i i gotta

0:51:00tell you when i think about this movie I

0:51:01think about Arnold Schwarzenegger and I

0:51:03think about linda hamilton and then I

0:51:05know Michael Biehn is the other person

0:51:07in this movie and I try to picture him I

0:51:09try to think about his character

0:51:11I can't he just doesn't register for me

0:51:14he is just a blank and maybe that's good

0:51:17in that you know John Connor is the

0:51:19leader in the future and if his his dad

0:51:22was this super charismatic guy who's

0:51:24just you know who you know the the

0:51:27mother made this intelligent indelible

0:51:30impression on her and now he's the super

0:51:32charismatic charismatic guy who's

0:51:34working for John Connor and it's gonna

0:51:35get set back in time maybe it doesn't

0:51:37work maybe he does need to just be a

0:51:39foot soldier and kind of anonymous but

0:51:41as a movie it always struck me how the

0:51:44other two main characters in this our

0:51:47are immediately come to mind and even

0:51:49like Lance Henriksen and paul winfield

0:51:52are more I don't notable for me than him

0:51:56he just doesn't I don't know there's

0:51:58something about him he just doesn't

0:52:00register for me and I think it it works

0:52:02for me

0:52:03exactly because of that because the

0:52:05footsoldier thing that he's yeah yes

0:52:07someone who should be forgotten

0:52:10I mean not that he should be forgotten

0:52:11but it doesn't make sense if he is this

0:52:14you know it's like oh well he made this

0:52:15huge sacrifice no he's just a guy and it

0:52:19would overshadow Sarah and would

0:52:21overshadow John buddy i'm with you guys

0:52:25we're kind of in the rest of the movie I

0:52:27wanted maybe a little bit more and I

0:52:31think his most painful line read is

0:52:33probably the message he brings back from

0:52:35John Connor the whole the whole

0:52:37soliloquy where it goes into you must

0:52:39live so that I can be

0:52:41just it doesn't play at all and and part

0:52:44of that's not at all i think that light

0:52:45actually frankly that whole sequence

0:52:47should probably have been scrapped

0:52:48because it makes John seemed like a

0:52:50dweeb to em but it's also yeah maybe

0:52:54there's no proper way to perform that

0:52:56line is clunky as it is

0:52:58uh-oh he's a michael biehn is also the

0:53:01really the antagonist in James Cameron's

0:53:04movie the abyss which I love a whole lot

0:53:07and I I find him not particularly

0:53:09interesting in that movie either so and

0:53:12he's actually not tremendously

0:53:14interesting in aliens either should

0:53:16point to pick and yet I like him in all

0:53:19three of those movies there's something

0:53:20here is Matt yeah even as he even as

0:53:23he's not a terrific actor I think

0:53:24there's something just in his life

0:53:26interesting

0:53:28it's like it's like some sort of weird

0:53:29reverse hidden charisma

0:53:31I don't understand just like an old that

0:53:34only that only some of us can see maybe

0:53:37it's pity I don't know

0:53:39ok anyway I that's my that was that was

0:53:42something that struck me again in an

0:53:44hour watching that weekend we then get

0:53:45things we talked about which is there's

0:53:47more more Terminator POV with random

0:53:49code we did skip over what is probably

0:53:52my favorite line in the movie

0:53:53oh yeah okay as Arnold is looking

0:53:55through Sarah's little phone book and

0:53:57finding mom's cabin phone number and

0:53:59beginning to rot as we see his face is

0:54:01starting to come apart and analyzer are

0:54:03clinging to him and that the custodian

0:54:05wanders by and catches a whiff of him

0:54:07and says hey buddy you got a dead cat in

0:54:08there or what

0:54:09and that's where we see the POV shot of

0:54:11it trying to select an appropriate

0:54:12response to open it finally comes upon

0:54:14fuck you asshole yeah yeah just it which

0:54:18is wonderful it's nice to have some

0:54:21lightness in the middle of everything

0:54:22many options there are various degrees

0:54:26which is funny and he chose just the

0:54:28right one he picked a winner the

0:54:29delivery is not so great

0:54:30yeah but the line is good well he's a

0:54:32he's a cyborg from the future he doesn't

0:54:35know what it means he's just you know

0:54:36picking something out right well yet

0:54:38comes back to he doesn't have to carry

0:54:40on the the masquerade for very long

0:54:42usually so the voice module wasn't

0:54:44something they have to spend a whole lot

0:54:46of time on in fact one one wonders why

0:54:48they even bothered

0:54:49yeah and he's not used to the colorful

0:54:51metaphors of the past ah yes double the

0:54:54mass on you and so forth

0:54:55that is already a colorful an hour of

0:55:00the past this is this is where I have

0:55:04the m-my at action simple streets quick

0:55:07method note it's time it's time for the

0:55:11crank up the synth music and have a a

0:55:14tot car chase just hit the demo button

0:55:18on the chasm

0:55:23so so let me tell you I find it a high

0:55:30degree of difficulty to try and detonate

0:55:33a bomb by looking at the fuse checking

0:55:38it out the back of a moving vehicle and

0:55:40hoping minute hits a guy on a motorcycle

0:55:42dead-on

0:55:43well this is why he never comes and he

0:55:44never gets close i wrote those are some

0:55:48pretty useless pipe bombs at this point

0:55:50yeah and and i'm not even sure why he

0:55:52bothers because it there doesn't appear

0:55:53to be any shrapnel there's just a big

0:55:55puff of smoke yeah you have emerged from

0:55:57the pipeline he's over to just knock him

0:55:58off the bike maybe they'll just get back

0:56:00up and get back on my bike I don't know

0:56:02it just provides an opportunity for him

0:56:04to ride his motorcycle dramatically out

0:56:05of the cloud yes that's true which is

0:56:08nice so nice

0:56:09sure but it's just really an effective

0:56:10weapon against the Terminator all those

0:56:12later proves to be useful useful twice

0:56:15yeah but not not when chuck from the

0:56:16backdrop of a truck

0:56:18yeah he should have saved them to use a

0:56:20new better circumstances later perhaps

0:56:22yeah thats i agree a better actor would

0:56:26have no so he does something so he does

0:56:28end up the Terminator ends up on in the

0:56:31gas truck that flipped the the car flips

0:56:33over and and he'll he he flies off his

0:56:38motorcycle and then he gets in the gas

0:56:40truck and this is I really like that

0:56:42moment where the exterminator is is a

0:56:44hit by the truck that's a funny that's a

0:56:46really funny moment that right and then

0:56:49he's dragged quite a ways yes no yes

0:56:51well and the great part of that is it

0:56:53tears off another good chunk of his face

0:56:55so we have got great scene where he gets

0:56:57into the cab and the guy says let's get

0:56:59out of here and it's actually Arnold and

0:57:00now we get a good full shot of of more

0:57:03of the skeleton being revealed under

0:57:04racial that's that's good stuff that's

0:57:07the that's really nice

0:57:08so I'm sorry sticks a bomb in the gas

0:57:11truck and I think this is as they're

0:57:13being chased i should point

0:57:15yeah and i think this is a funny uh cool

0:57:18moment where you see Linda Hamilton

0:57:19running and the and the bomb goes off in

0:57:23the gas truck does rain fire down

0:57:25everywhere it's in the dumpster where

0:57:28michael biehn is hiding and he has to

0:57:29roll out of the dumpster and stop stop

0:57:31drop and roll to extinguish the flames

0:57:35I think I thought that was really it's

0:57:36it's very clearly

0:57:37rear projection but I thought that was a

0:57:40really cool cool little bit where the

0:57:43with a gas truck

0:57:44I mean if you're gonna put a pipe bomb

0:57:45in a giant truck full of gasoline it

0:57:49better blow up good and it does it does

0:57:51that's a nice explosion and you're right

0:57:53you don't usually get that sort of

0:57:54attention to detail where the dumpster

0:57:55is also in flames

0:57:57yeah it's like raining down fire

0:57:58everywhere and and I like that he could

0:58:01he kinda like it the implication there

0:58:03is that you know you're in there to hide

0:58:06from the explosion and then suddenly

0:58:07you're dumpsters on fire and he like I

0:58:10gotta get out of here and you'll roll

0:58:11out ya gotta get out of here you see the

0:58:13Terminator emerged from the cab take a

0:58:15couple of steps and collapsed Dead sure

0:58:18done

0:58:19he's he's done this time for sure

0:58:21unfortunately he is not done he rises as

0:58:27a ray harryhausen style stop motion

0:58:30robots and this is that this is the

0:58:32worst part of the film for me now I just

0:58:33say I it actually made me sad because

0:58:36you know it's bad when it when it's a

0:58:38not his whole body it's all that's what

0:58:40I'm saying is because they they actually

0:58:41have a model that looks like they built

0:58:43the Terminator and they have been like

0:58:44banging into things for the up close

0:58:46shots but when it's when it's him sort

0:58:48of limping along with the fire behind

0:58:50where we're totally in Sinbad territory

0:58:52at that point which is it it's the

0:58:55reason it's unfortunate is because i

0:58:56think that's really the only part of the

0:58:59effects that doesn't hold up at all

0:59:01I great they picked me and they try so

0:59:03hard to make about like cinematic like

0:59:06that the stop-motion robot goes down the

0:59:08hallway and a pan down the hallway and

0:59:10you can depend you can see that the

0:59:12frames are not in sync

0:59:13yeah because it's not motion and and

0:59:16it's not even that scene where they're

0:59:17looking through the doorway as he's

0:59:19coming towards them and you can almost i

0:59:20think in a couple of scenes it almost

0:59:22seems like the perspective goes wrong

0:59:24yeah like it it looks like those

0:59:26terrible scenes where like they open a

0:59:28door in like a kid's show and there's

0:59:30like a Western going on outside the tour

0:59:32I don't know what the alternative would

0:59:33be whether it would have been like

0:59:34almost like a puppet kind of thing where

0:59:36they have it moving or just added a

0:59:39little more artfully but they seemed

0:59:41really really proud of their Ray

0:59:42Harryhausen style stop-motion robot

0:59:45well when i watch this in 1984 that

0:59:47didn't stick out that

0:59:48I don't remember there being anything

0:59:50that that was ridiculous looking it

0:59:53except maybe the the self-surgery scene

0:59:55where it was pretty obvious that it was

0:59:57a prosthetic face that they are working

0:59:59on be sure

0:59:59on be sure

1:00:00but but i don't remember anything in

1:00:02this whole sequence of the skeleton

1:00:04chasing after them where where there was

1:00:06anything that I thought looked

1:00:07ridiculous and sadly now it does and in

1:00:10fact I can hardly believe I'm saying

1:00:11this but I could almost get behind them

1:00:14going back and special edition izing

1:00:16this film just to fix those sequences

1:00:18because the rest of it is still so good

1:00:20you know in a way it adds to the charm

1:00:22because obviously this is still a

1:00:24product of the eighties evidence of that

1:00:26is everywhere

1:00:28it does it does pull you out of it

1:00:30though it does a little bit and I feel

1:00:31like if I showed this to the kids we

1:00:34watched a clash of the titans not too

1:00:36long ago and my daughter really enjoyed

1:00:38it but she was laughing at the

1:00:40stop-motion pretty much throughout the

1:00:43what's great about this is that you know

1:00:45Arnold Schwarzenegger is the star of

1:00:46this movie but at this point he's gone

1:00:47it's just a metal robot that's gonna

1:00:49tell Anna I don't love that again it's

1:00:51like the robot has been taking damage

1:00:53and and that's one of the great things

1:00:54about this the the Terminator as a

1:00:57villain is that it's taking damage it's

1:01:00just not affected by it like we would be

1:01:02and so it just keeps on coming and now

1:01:04with what when you finally like okay

1:01:06it's on fire

1:01:07I whole gas truck blew up it's gone it's

1:01:09like no now it's just a shiny metal

1:01:11robot that's gonna kill you

1:01:13it's great to really finally get that

1:01:14that confirmation that yeah it's been a

1:01:16robot along there there are no traces of

1:01:18humanity left it all at that point I

1:01:20think that really drives the point home

1:01:21in that moment the red-eyes is the

1:01:23connection to where you you see hit

1:01:25Schwarzenegger with the one red eye so

1:01:27that when you see the red eyes and the

1:01:28Terminator love letter later you know

1:01:30you know it's the same and you've just

1:01:32been peeling off the layers as we go

1:01:34plus the design for that skeleton is

1:01:36incredibly good it is so intimidating

1:01:39working and it's so shiny and and

1:01:41marvelous looking and the fact that it's

1:01:44it still has a limp from from the crash

1:01:46is nice too because it maintains almost

1:01:49at human feature but it's it's clearly

1:01:51not this point down its damage but it's

1:01:53still coming for them so they run into a

1:01:55factory that's that's full of autumn

1:01:58machinery odds other robots that are

1:02:02then ironically turn it on and and at

1:02:04this moment Lauren Lauren I said it's

1:02:07robots and lauren said hey buddies

1:02:10it's Terminator your buddies it's your

1:02:14guys 10 it's your robots our ancestors

1:02:18yeah that was pretty funny almost

1:02:20expected to go down on his knees

1:02:22that's right i paid tribute to the

1:02:25ancestors does something like that great

1:02:29bottling machine giving you always do

1:02:31that's right hydraulic press how do you

1:02:33do it how do you stay looking so young I

1:02:38do a lot of push-ups and crunches so now

1:02:41we have a chase Erica here we go again

1:02:43now we have a chasing in a in a factory

1:02:45and is conveniently located factory I

1:02:47with honestly at this point yes it was

1:02:49yet another chase but I I was more

1:02:52interested by this because it wasn't

1:02:53another car chase those people this is a

1:02:56horror movie and yeah it's very much a

1:02:58horror movie chase and it's in a much it

1:03:00more interesting terrain it's

1:03:02two-dimensional they have they're going

1:03:04up and down stairs and there's stuff

1:03:06happening all around them you know

1:03:08machinery and stuff so i was i was much

1:03:10more engaged by this then I was any of

1:03:13the car chases in the film

1:03:14yeah i was personally agree with this

1:03:16yeah and this is that that horror movie

1:03:18thing and that the bombs come in handy

1:03:20here

1:03:21yeah this is the point where you realize

1:03:22they've actually been through a lot

1:03:23because we get a shot of Sarah running

1:03:25and her jeans have come on tuck from her

1:03:27socks at this point so you know it's

1:03:29gotten that that's seriously it's pretty

1:03:32serious her giant legwarmer ask socks

1:03:35and reeses pants have some stains on

1:03:37them

1:03:37oh no that's probably where they were

1:03:38there for you know that's a feature

1:03:40estate these two future future style as

1:03:44he calls it features style that's right

1:03:46this reminds me of home i'm going to

1:03:48continue to wear these so he sticks a

1:03:50bomb and the Terminator he's gonna blow

1:03:51the Terminator up and the Terminator is

1:03:54exploded and it is dead

1:03:56goodnight everybody yeah baby and sadly

1:03:59sarah has taken a big piece of

1:04:01Terminator in the leg and and is kyle is

1:04:08no more her leg seems to be sort of

1:04:09broken so she can't stand and kyle is a

1:04:13goner

1:04:13his eyes are open dead r.i.p old

1:04:18what's-his-name but wait it's not over

1:04:19but the Terminator the top

1:04:23half of the Terminator survives yes and

1:04:26and we get the low-speed chase it so

1:04:28it's this i really do I i love this that

1:04:31she's crawling and it's crawling yes

1:04:34known as as false endings go

1:04:36even now the bit where the torso comes

1:04:38back to life i think still works quite

1:04:40well

1:04:41oh yeah because we've already done the

1:04:42one false ending and you're not really

1:04:43expecting another and yet it's earned

1:04:46because this thing won't stop right so

1:04:47it doesn't you don't roll your eyes like

1:04:49oh yeah right it's like now of course

1:04:50it's actually I should say both back in

1:04:52the day both false endings worked pretty

1:04:54well because they did it they do a good

1:04:55job with the first one they have the

1:04:57nice woodwind theme that kicks in is

1:04:59Sarah reunites with recent a hug and you

1:05:02know it's this is clearly the end of the

1:05:04movie and then it rises from the rubble

1:05:05so that works pretty well and then again

1:05:08you know the torso comes back to life

1:05:10and at this point Reese is dead so it's

1:05:12entirely up to Sarah to polish the thing

1:05:14off and it's I it to eat that part still

1:05:17maybe not the first one but the second

1:05:19one still works pretty well on me even

1:05:20as I was kind of picking out all the

1:05:22things that don't work anymore in this

1:05:24film this is a this is a really fun

1:05:26chase it's very slow it's very painful

1:05:28that with its kind of what makes it good

1:05:30she's trying to get away yeah there's

1:05:32the you know the little Terminator hand

1:05:34keeps catching her foot she keeps

1:05:36pulling a foot away so it's like I

1:05:37almost got you always got you again

1:05:39there's a bit too that's almost

1:05:41unintentionally funny where she ends up

1:05:43on a conveyor belt

1:05:44oh yeah and and she's sort of rolling

1:05:47along dragging herself and behind her

1:05:49the Terminator torso is just ridin yeah

1:05:52he's not pulling himself along or

1:05:53anything and he almost has it he has

1:05:55that sort of scholars grin on his face

1:05:57it's almost like he's enjoying it i

1:06:01might get too i love how it's so slow

1:06:03except for the conveyor about which is I

1:06:04i like to be very about it because I

1:06:06just I felt like she deserved that to

1:06:10have like to be able to get a little bit

1:06:11farther without having to do quite so

1:06:13much work even though of course she's

1:06:15still trying to pull yourself along but

1:06:16it's just it's torturously slow and

1:06:19it-it-it ratchet up the tension for me

1:06:21because I I just feel like in in that

1:06:24circumstance I mean I've had a lot of

1:06:26Dreams where like you know i'm i'm

1:06:27trying to run but I can't move very fast

1:06:29like you just being stuck in in

1:06:31slow-motion and and I feel like that's

1:06:33exactly what she is but she's stabbed in

1:06:35the leg so that that

1:06:36added terror of you know you're trying

1:06:39to get away but you you can't even

1:06:40function as well as you normally could

1:06:42it's just that that's much more fun than

1:06:44cartoons and I just that wonderfully

1:06:45disturbing moment where she crawls for

1:06:48the drill press and it's about two feet

1:06:49of space that she's got two were

1:06:52awestruck logically overall through and

1:06:54plus it's depressed so it was good yeah

1:06:56its sheer and it's flat and she has

1:06:58nothing to grab it grab onto with her

1:06:59hands and she tries to press a button

1:07:01and it will squish you

1:07:03that's it too yep we've already seen it

1:07:05has a hair trigger so she gets through

1:07:07it and turn radius following her and she

1:07:09presses the button and push the button

1:07:12and squish now first first she says

1:07:15you're communicating artery which is a

1:07:17great and then present invention presses

1:07:19the button after a lot I mean that

1:07:20that's a quick bit of crazy like

1:07:22crescendo quick cuts right where it's

1:07:24like it's coming she's sitting there

1:07:25it's coming she's looking at it you know

1:07:27if she's settled back and she's got her

1:07:29arm you know reaching over for the

1:07:30button and it all happened so fast and

1:07:33then she's got her line and press the

1:07:36button and then it it gets quashed and

1:07:39it's on its hands on her at that point

1:07:41it's going on our shoulder and it stays

1:07:43there as she passed yes i think that

1:07:46that is the moment for me where it all

1:07:48comes together my favorite part about

1:07:49this film is watching her go from you

1:07:52know that the girl who doesn't need to

1:07:54wear a helmet the beginning because her

1:07:56hair is just that good with you

1:07:58her hair is managed to be fish yes

1:08:00exactly so she's a bit and then at the

1:08:03end she's she's gotten through all of

1:08:05this she's progressed and she's to the

1:08:07point where she's she's quitting the

1:08:09first before she's taking out the bad

1:08:11guy like that that is a full arc i am

1:08:13pleased with it if that's that's why i

1:08:16like this movie she's crossed over she's

1:08:17quitting

1:08:18mm yep it's an it's an important you

1:08:21know moment in in every action hero's

1:08:24life to reach that quick days it's like

1:08:27puberty your first clip

1:08:29yep yep so at that point uh we are in

1:08:32Mexico

1:08:33yes and I find myself wondering was

1:08:35anybody at all concerned about the bits

1:08:37of homicidal futuristic robot that they

1:08:39found in that bottling plant along with

1:08:41the dead guy in the unconscious girl

1:08:42well so you know in Terminator to one of

1:08:44the really nice reveals of Terminator 2

1:08:46is that beautiful man

1:08:48little hand that we we don't even think

1:08:51of that much after she crushes the body

1:08:54but it turns out to be in true time

1:08:56paradox fashion the technology that is

1:08:58taken and leads to the creation of

1:09:01Skynet through the analysis of the

1:09:03advanced Terminator technology while

1:09:05watching this time I i did think you

1:09:08know

1:09:09also they have the whole crushed killer

1:09:11robot you know it's right and but but

1:09:14the second movie tries to explain this

1:09:16and say that you know somehow the

1:09:17scientists were called in by the

1:09:19government or whatever it when they

1:09:21found this thing to investigate it so

1:09:23but if this movie is just like and she

1:09:26crushed the robot goodbye the end in the

1:09:28deleted scenes there's actually a

1:09:30sequence that I assume was the alternate

1:09:31ending where its people that work at the

1:09:34factory or the manager of the factory

1:09:36and they find a microchip and they say

1:09:39is this anything you've seen before any

1:09:41more advanced than we have and then

1:09:43there's this really cheesy sort of back

1:09:45out of the building and we see that it's

1:09:47cyberdyne systems they were chasing each

1:09:49other around in all along

1:09:51instead we get that pay off in the

1:09:52second movie which is fun yeah I think

1:09:54that's a time paradox too far and glad

1:09:57they can add because that

1:09:58yeah the John Connor father thing that

1:10:00that you can make logical sense of that

1:10:03if you work hard enough but the the

1:10:05technology that nobody built that just

1:10:09appeared from the future and nobody got

1:10:11around actually creating it is strapped

1:10:14down

1:10:15that's good that's good stuff so Sarah

1:10:18get some gas in Mexico and the the nice

1:10:20nice old man who runs the gas station

1:10:22lets her look up words in Spanish when

1:10:25he clearly speaks English just fine and

1:10:29little boy comes and takes her picture

1:10:31which is the picture which is totally

1:10:34not a Polaroid after she takes yes

1:10:36totally wrong margin around the image of

1:10:40the Hollywood but that's the you note

1:10:43that this is the picture and she's she

1:10:46sad because of what's just happened in

1:10:48rhesus died but she escaped and then

1:10:51honestly the line that makes my eyes

1:10:54roll is there's a storm coming

1:10:57agreed I know I don't get it

1:10:59double-clicking on it

1:11:01it it's not even good symbolism so just

1:11:04the apocalypse

1:11:06that's the storm yeah I guess yeah I i

1:11:10would have been fine with ya 11 layer

1:11:13back would have been fine right like be

1:11:15careful miss there's you know it's a bet

1:11:17there's a bad storm coming and she and

1:11:19she said something like I'll be ready or

1:11:21I'm not worried or something like that

1:11:23would be okay but instead to have her be

1:11:25like there's a storm coming

1:11:27yeah okay it's not raining i'm afraid of

1:11:30its robots robots and robot rain that's

1:11:34right it's Iranian robots hallelujah

1:11:37acknowledgments the works parlan else

1:11:41oh I have that is my last note 2 and

1:11:43pursue I was gonna use that as my exit

1:11:46quote this would be a good time to

1:11:50acknowledge the works of Harlan Ellison

1:11:52in the creation of this podcast by the

1:11:53way well yeah yeah David you want to do

1:11:55you need you know the story or so

1:11:56there's two episodes of two episodes of

1:11:59the outer limits that Mike I don't know

1:12:02if we know the facts here I always

1:12:03assumed that James Cameron saw them when

1:12:05he was young and integrated them into

1:12:08his sort of like worldview of wow that

1:12:10was a cool story and then came up with

1:12:12this story and thought this is a cool

1:12:13story and just didn't even connect the

1:12:15dots the fact that he had seen it but

1:12:17it's very clearly this movie I so so I'd

1:12:20like to believe they didn't like just

1:12:22take those episodes rip them off but it

1:12:23was more like they forgot that that's

1:12:25where they got the idea that right when

1:12:27they were a kid and they watch those

1:12:28episodes right and and it's very clearly

1:12:30i mean the eye as i recall the lawsuit

1:12:34was about the episode soldier but it

1:12:37really i mean this really is a blend of

1:12:39that and demon with a glass and yes

1:12:41which which are the two episodes and

1:12:43they're really good episodes by the way

1:12:46demon with a glass and is just fantastic

1:12:50and they're apparently making it into a

1:12:51big-budget movie now officially haha and

1:12:57yeah but yeah I mean apparently he had

1:13:02said at the time yeah i used to watch

1:13:04the outer limits and you know it was a

1:13:06big influence on me and and that's

1:13:08apparently what they seized on and when

1:13:11hot now you have to put a disclaimer at

1:13:13the end

1:13:13yeah and give him an acknowledgement and

1:13:15give him money and there's a gag order

1:13:17which he completely ignored it seems

1:13:21cameron came out and said Harlan Ellison

1:13:23is a parasite who can kiss my ass

1:13:26he's the strange sort of parasite that

1:13:28gives you something to do a toast

1:13:31apparently which it simply is not a

1:13:33parasite as it turns out and and a

1:13:36better writer

1:13:37yeah well yeah but anyway yeah you know

1:13:40I don't really like a lot of james

1:13:41cameron's work but you know you cannot

1:13:43go more than about 10 minutes and James

1:13:45Cameron movie without having some

1:13:47dialogue that makes you cry on the

1:13:49getaway date like this i love the abyss

1:13:51they're stuck there are some dialogue in

1:13:53the abyss that is so terrible but you

1:13:55know I still love that movie so it's a

1:13:58camera think so

1:13:59so anyway Harlan Ellison you know gets

1:14:01acknowledged now on all copies of

1:14:03Terminator for the rest of time

1:14:05yeah because really I think through

1:14:09osmosis basically they were inspired by

1:14:13you know they probably thought like hey

1:14:16there's a cool story my friends and I

1:14:17talked about when we were kids and it

1:14:18turns out well it was this episode of

1:14:20that outer limits you didn't invent it

1:14:21so oh well oh well oh well but we got

1:14:26the Terminator out of it so thanks

1:14:27Harlan Ellison yeah yeah good job York

1:14:31imagine the old bastard yeah i just

1:14:33think about it like you know songwriting

1:14:35there's there are you know if you

1:14:36listened to enough music that there's no

1:14:38such thing as a completely new song

1:14:40they're going to be chord progressions

1:14:41that are going to be similar and you're

1:14:42gonna be able to point to several of

1:14:43them so it's this just kind of plays out

1:14:46in that way for me anything else about

1:14:48the Terminator before we wrap it up

1:14:51I still like it i still like it too yeah

1:14:54you too very eighties me three

1:14:58yeah i love this movie I have to have

1:14:59like i said i wish it was a little but I

1:15:02yeah exactly a little less car chasey

1:15:04but but that's really my only big

1:15:07complaint i honestly don't mind that the

1:15:09special effects don't hold up completely

1:15:12all the way through and it's it's very

1:15:13dated an eighties I like that sort of

1:15:15thing I me being a doctor who fan I like

1:15:17looking at things as sort of you know

1:15:19just archaeological sort of it's like a

1:15:23dig back into the past

1:15:24this is this is what it looked like in

1:15:25the nineteen eighties and it always will

1:15:27and I appreciate that the reason that

1:15:29that stop-motion hurts just because the

1:15:31rest of it looks so good

1:15:33yeah much better than it doesn't invite

1:15:34you to that model budget film from 1984

1:15:37that robot the robot cyborgs skeleton

1:15:40thing when it's the practical effect in

1:15:43that in those scenes is so good that is

1:15:46contrasts with the stop motion which is

1:15:49all janky too bad because it's really

1:15:53that first a low-budget movie that is a

1:15:55great piece of industrial design at

1:15:57which they have used again and again now

1:16:00ok wanted and it's kind of amazing now

1:16:03watching it after having seen you know

1:16:06how many years of mystery science

1:16:07theater and all these modern eighties

1:16:09movies that obviously it influenced them

1:16:13and they were working with even less of

1:16:14a budget maybe and you know it's it's

1:16:17sort of like this this is so close to

1:16:19the edge of not being good but somehow

1:16:22it is good compared to all of those

1:16:24other you know I'm a warrior of the lost

1:16:26world and haley in LA and you know

1:16:28that's what the trailer makes it out to

1:16:31be is is yes something that should roll

1:16:34on mst3k years later

1:16:36yeah so it's amazing the movie is as

1:16:38good as it was if I had ever seen the

1:16:40trailer i probably would have not seen

1:16:41many years later seeing it now I just

1:16:45shake my head and laughs I can't have

1:16:47anybody actually bought a ticket there

1:16:48are times when being in a slow movie

1:16:50period is actually a baboon and I think

1:16:52this probably was one of them i think so

1:16:54alright well we have come to the end we

1:16:57are we are terminated and 0 therefore I

1:17:00would like to say goodbye to my guest

1:17:02David lord thank you for being here

1:17:04thank you and and I will be back

1:17:06good as they say well well pronounced

1:17:09Erica and sign thank you for being here

1:17:11you know the few hours that we had

1:17:13together we podcasting a lifetime's oh

1:17:15boy

1:17:16beautiful its to end Steve lots of come

1:17:20with me if you want to live

1:17:22first I'm gonna rip the buttons off your

1:17:25blouse one-by-one feel like we've been

1:17:27here before I said it twice in the movie

1:17:29too

1:17:30he did you took my other line

1:17:33and i'm jason still and this has been

1:17:36the uncomfortable thank you for

1:17:38listening we will see you another time

1:18:00astalavista removing wheelers i'll be

1:18:07back that was foreshadowing