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319: Squirting Milky Fluid


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00:00:13   the uncomfortable number 319 September's [TS]

00:00:22   2016 welcome back everybody to being [TS]

00:00:26   comfortable [TS]

00:00:27   we're going to talk about uh it's [TS]

00:00:30   actually kind of an old movie but it's [TS]

00:00:31   not a movie club it is a virus i have to [TS]

00:00:33   say by request has been on the schedule [TS]

00:00:35   for a little while [TS]

00:00:36   it's 1979 alien classic sci-fi horror [TS]

00:00:39   movie directed by ridley scott starring [TS]

00:00:42   Sigourney Weaver many other interesting [TS]

00:00:44   actors in this movie too [TS]

00:00:46   we're doing this episode in part because [TS]

00:00:48   it's an awesome old side scary side [TS]

00:00:50   movie and in part because Anthony [TS]

00:00:53   Johnston demanded it [TS]

00:00:55   Anthony welcome hello hello Jason [TS]

00:00:58   that's not a system i had had your name [TS]

00:01:02   right next to it for a long time and I [TS]

00:01:04   like okay let's just yeah that's good [TS]

00:01:06   let's let's do it it's that's because i [TS]

00:01:08   was listening [TS]

00:01:09   oh god what more than two years ago to [TS]

00:01:12   another to another episode earlier [TS]

00:01:14   episode of the show and I wasn't even a [TS]

00:01:16   podcast or the time and you and I'd [TS]

00:01:18   correspondent a little and you mentioned [TS]

00:01:21   that will have to do a in some time and [TS]

00:01:22   I immediately emailed you at 1am from [TS]

00:01:25   bed saying if you ever do that i would [TS]

00:01:28   love to be on that episode and so he [TS]

00:01:30   will and the system works is quite the [TS]

00:01:33   wheels of the podcasting grind very [TS]

00:01:35   slowly but they don't eventually reached [TS]

00:01:37   this point [TS]

00:01:38   also joining us to talk about alien Liz [TS]

00:01:41   miles [TS]

00:01:42   hello hello is this like a regular [TS]

00:01:44   episode yeah it is [TS]

00:01:45   Wow no it's not it's not because you're [TS]

00:01:48   on it's a very special [TS]

00:01:50   because you're on it is on my list of [TS]

00:01:55   like this my bucket list thing I can't [TS]

00:01:57   figure out that we are changing lives in [TS]

00:02:00   this episode of what I'm saying there's [TS]

00:02:01   momentous things happening in this [TS]

00:02:03   episode later we'll have the the dog [TS]

00:02:05   draft will be happening anyway [TS]

00:02:08   Monty ashley is also here hi Monty [TS]

00:02:10   Snoopy oh sorry I mean hello hello just [TS]

00:02:13   say that pic that so that's a good pic [TS]

00:02:14   tho say that pic Erica and sign also [TS]

00:02:16   joins us [TS]

00:02:17   alright i do that's wired strange so [TS]

00:02:23   that's like an episode of Babylon 5 [TS]

00:02:25   people get married without knowing it [TS]

00:02:26   and Steve let's of course is here [TS]

00:02:29   because there's gross stuff and this [TS]

00:02:31   girl stuff in a movie I think it's [TS]

00:02:33   stabilized hi Steve you have my [TS]

00:02:34   sympathies Jason for the the general or [TS]

00:02:37   for thinking because I'm here [TS]

00:02:39   yeah pictured here is present I feel bad [TS]

00:02:41   for her now this has been on the [TS]

00:02:42   schedule for solo has literally since [TS]

00:02:45   the start of the podcast this has been [TS]

00:02:46   on your list of things I remember going [TS]

00:02:49   to see Prometheus specifically because [TS]

00:02:50   we're going to talk about the soccer [TS]

00:02:55   that was back today when we thought we [TS]

00:02:56   just cover an entire franchise in an [TS]

00:02:58   hour [TS]

00:02:59   that was good in fact the notes that i [TS]

00:03:01   have have all four alien movies in the [TS]

00:03:03   Wow from the time i watch them whatever [TS]

00:03:05   it was three years ago and it [TS]

00:03:07   Prometheus was that so what about the [TS]

00:03:08   alien vs predator franchise Steve no [TS]

00:03:11   that's not canon finger let's not let's [TS]

00:03:13   not [TS]

00:03:14   no no that's the very very dangerous [TS]

00:03:16   place to talk to see where some of us [TS]

00:03:18   don't even count alien cubed know for [TS]

00:03:21   the next one anyway [TS]

00:03:22   alien so alien is a movie that I think [TS]

00:03:27   we are all too young to say that we went [TS]

00:03:30   in and saw the movie and were surprised [TS]

00:03:32   at what happens in it is that accurate [TS]

00:03:34   because I always knew this is the movie [TS]

00:03:36   where somebody has an alien come out of [TS]

00:03:39   their chests spoilers for alien by the [TS]

00:03:41   way points for almost 40 year old movie [TS]

00:03:44   I definitely saw spaceballs before I saw [TS]

00:03:46   Bailey I think I did too i didn't matter [TS]

00:03:48   i saw alien in the theater I was seven [TS]

00:03:51   at the time to be responsible [TS]

00:03:55   well that's when it was out it's not [TS]

00:03:57   like I could tell them to lay the movie [TS]

00:03:58   for another three years until it's [TS]

00:04:00   appropriate for me not surprised Steve [TS]

00:04:02   not surprised one bit sudden theater [TS]

00:04:04   with my sister and but I can honestly [TS]

00:04:05   say that i was surprised because I had [TS]

00:04:07   already i had a copy of a alien the [TS]

00:04:12   illustrated story i think it was called [TS]

00:04:13   i basically the heavy metal a associated [TS]

00:04:18   graphic novel written by archie goodwin [TS]

00:04:20   i think was i believe so and it was very [TS]

00:04:22   very good and it also included several [TS]

00:04:25   the scenes that were not yet clipped [TS]

00:04:28   from the script at the time that the the [TS]

00:04:30   graphic novel was written right met it [TS]

00:04:33   was it was a revelation when the dvds [TS]

00:04:36   and the blue race came out and i finally [TS]

00:04:38   saw these scenes that I remember being [TS]

00:04:39   in the graphic novel that were in the [TS]

00:04:41   movie but yeah the the the chest burster [TS]

00:04:44   thing was not a shock to me probably [TS]

00:04:47   wouldn't have been that big shock [TS]

00:04:49   yeah even if i had seen it sight unseen [TS]

00:04:51   I hadn't I wasn't surprised me but not [TS]

00:04:55   because it had been spoiled by reading a [TS]

00:04:57   comic or people telling me but because i [TS]

00:04:59   actually read the novelization by alan [TS]

00:05:01   dean foster I ever saw the movie is [TS]

00:05:05   really good novelization as well it is [TS]

00:05:07   and it also featured those parts that [TS]

00:05:10   were you know sort of subsequently cut [TS]

00:05:12   out of the script which confuse the hell [TS]

00:05:14   of me when I first did actually see the [TS]

00:05:16   movie the eyesore on VHS first and that [TS]

00:05:19   was what first intrigued me about the [TS]

00:05:21   about the film was that the aladin [TS]

00:05:23   foster novelizations on a shelf and the [TS]

00:05:25   movie poster was the cover for it and I [TS]

00:05:27   thought they were summarized strangely [TS]

00:05:28   intriguing about that that cover and [TS]

00:05:31   that was it's a classic poster is a [TS]

00:05:33   classic sort even know it [TS]

00:05:34   it does sort of diverging lot from what [TS]

00:05:36   actually happens in the movie [TS]

00:05:38   yes but and the egg doesn't even look [TS]

00:05:41   like the eggs in the movie it's a it's a [TS]

00:05:43   hand raised or something as well it [TS]

00:05:44   certainly doesn't doesn't shoot green [TS]

00:05:46   lightning out of line and hover that [TS]

00:05:49   will never happen to our field and even [TS]

00:05:50   the tagline on the poster i believe is [TS]

00:05:52   in space no one can hear you scream [TS]

00:05:54   that's correct but to quote the magazine [TS]

00:05:57   parody of this movie they make an awful [TS]

00:05:59   lot of noise I remember this the as a as [TS]

00:06:04   a thing and pop pop culture just [TS]

00:06:06   literally aliens the movie where that [TS]

00:06:08   guy has is a chest ripped open by an [TS]

00:06:10   alien and purse out and I I had not seen [TS]

00:06:13   it in fact i read in arthur c clarke not [TS]

00:06:17   ball 2010 they wanted there's a joke [TS]

00:06:21   about how they stock alien on the ship's [TS]

00:06:23   library when they're flying to Jupiter [TS]

00:06:25   and somebody watches it and says who put [TS]

00:06:28   this on here these people in the [TS]

00:06:30   spaceship and at that point I still [TS]

00:06:32   hadn't seen it but I knew what they were [TS]

00:06:33   getting and I didn't I probably saw it [TS]

00:06:35   at not too long after sometime in the [TS]

00:06:37   late eighties but for me it was all [TS]

00:06:39   about that one scene and not really [TS]

00:06:42   knowing anything else about it i mean [TS]

00:06:43   and then knowing that it was became a [TS]

00:06:45   franchise I guess the other thing [TS]

00:06:47   because then aliens came out and was a [TS]

00:06:49   big hit to and then all the other things [TS]

00:06:51   happen but I really didn't catch up with [TS]

00:06:52   the alien franchise and told ya like the [TS]

00:06:55   late eighties I think I so it was [TS]

00:06:58   already a franchise when you I think so [TS]

00:07:00   right when the aliens come out right [TS]

00:07:02   alien ETS six yeah I'm pretty sure about [TS]

00:07:05   aliens first and then went back to see [TS]

00:07:07   alien wow I might have as well I know [TS]

00:07:11   for sure like Monty I saw spaceballs [TS]

00:07:12   first and first time I saw spaceballs i [TS]

00:07:15   think was just on VHS it was with my [TS]

00:07:16   parents who are big geeks and they [TS]

00:07:18   actually had to explain the chest sorry [TS]

00:07:20   spoilers for spaceballs explain the the [TS]

00:07:24   chest burster seen spaceballs to me [TS]

00:07:26   because I just didn't really get it [TS]

00:07:28   because i didn't really know about the [TS]

00:07:30   zeitgeist of of science-fiction horror [TS]

00:07:32   movies at the time so they had to be [TS]

00:07:34   like I don't know it's in it's the same [TS]

00:07:35   guy from that from this movie where this [TS]

00:07:37   happened so yeah thanks mom and dad [TS]

00:07:40   yeah I had also that I had family [TS]

00:07:42   disapproval when I was just being 10 or [TS]

00:07:44   11 and my sister and I used to stare [TS]

00:07:45   grandparents during summer holidays and [TS]

00:07:48   often are young son Cole he's only a few [TS]

00:07:50   years older than us and our cousins were [TS]

00:07:52   there as well and they were just [TS]

00:07:54   horrified to learn to be hansung alien [TS]

00:07:56   or aliens or any had any opinion about [TS]

00:07:58   alien so when we can we got to watch all [TS]

00:08:01   three movies which is ok you know it [TS]

00:08:03   wasn't ok was really weird and scary the [TS]

00:08:05   most of it and it was probably worse for [TS]

00:08:08   my sister who was really not kid with [TS]

00:08:10   like the witches ruled else which is [TS]

00:08:13   movie that scared the crap out of [TS]

00:08:14   partners presumably meant for children [TS]

00:08:16   it's so obvious next step is alien [TS]

00:08:18   wasn't coping very well this but I want [TS]

00:08:21   to help very constant comment rate so [TS]

00:08:23   the chest purchasing wasn't exactly [TS]

00:08:26   surprised when you've got your own [TS]

00:08:27   cookbook [TS]

00:08:28   wait for it wait for our way [TS]

00:08:30   don't hurt what's your heart you're like [TS]

00:08:33   yeah ok ok could be just so just chill [TS]

00:08:36   relax enjoy the tension in the [TS]

00:08:38   atmosphere instead of you telling me [TS]

00:08:40   fact after fact that i don't know i mean [TS]

00:08:42   it was talking I was told [TS]

00:08:44   oh and this is tom skerritt never was [TS]

00:08:45   really shocked about how is colin like [TS]

00:08:47   have no idea tom skerritt it's why are [TS]

00:08:49   you telling me I still want to be tom [TS]

00:08:50   skerritt ya see by the time i saw this i [TS]

00:08:52   had already seen top gun so I knew [TS]

00:08:54   exactly who tom skerritt us part of the [TS]

00:08:56   other reason that people were so shocked [TS]

00:08:58   was because of course he's you know the [TS]

00:09:00   heroic mail man you looking captain and [TS]

00:09:03   you know that in itself was just quite a [TS]

00:09:05   surprise at the time I was twelve [TS]

00:09:08   thirteen when I saw this I know I kind [TS]

00:09:11   of been older than 13 because I [TS]

00:09:13   definitely saw it before aliens came out [TS]

00:09:16   in 86 and i had a friend who was [TS]

00:09:21   absolutely obsessed with this movie I [TS]

00:09:24   mean to like obsessed with this with [TS]

00:09:26   Geiger just everything and I became a [TS]

00:09:28   little obsessed but nowhere near on the [TS]

00:09:30   level of that he was and he was also [TS]

00:09:32   really good artist so he would literally [TS]

00:09:34   spend all day like drawing aliens and [TS]

00:09:37   scenes from the movie and he had all the [TS]

00:09:40   paraphernalia and it was just crazy so [TS]

00:09:43   I'd try and get Gerard on your pc folder [TS]

00:09:45   is a good way to get right principles [TS]

00:09:46   yeah so yeah I saw this movie a lot when [TS]

00:09:50   I was you know quite young but I don't [TS]

00:09:54   know I I think it's one of those things [TS]

00:09:56   that are it's another of those movies [TS]

00:09:59   where there's so much that actually [TS]

00:10:00   isn't on screen that apart from the [TS]

00:10:04   chest bursting seen does not actually [TS]

00:10:06   that much in it sort of physical Igor [TS]

00:10:09   why is that is unsuitable for kids it's [TS]

00:10:11   just that it's so tense and scary and [TS]

00:10:13   just herbing yet is not very bloody at [TS]

00:10:15   all it's really not apart from the [TS]

00:10:17   Chester yet except for that one scene [TS]

00:10:19   where everybody gets covered [TS]

00:10:22   apart from that but that's that's that's [TS]

00:10:24   really the Soul scene [TS]

00:10:26   yeah thatthat's particular which is [TS]

00:10:28   another reason it's so shocking right [TS]

00:10:30   a parker gets carried off you know we [TS]

00:10:34   don't see what really what happens to [TS]

00:10:35   him a Dallas he gets grabbed and you [TS]

00:10:39   don't see anything that happens to him [TS]

00:10:40   because he was [TS]

00:10:41   originally destined to be a future host [TS]

00:10:45   for an alien and lambert & Parker we [TS]

00:10:49   just sort of see from the distance and [TS]

00:10:51   there's blood dripping down but it's not [TS]

00:10:52   like you see this is not even in focus [TS]

00:10:54   yeah there's like I have a really quick [TS]

00:10:57   shot that if you posit you can see what [TS]

00:11:00   happens when the aliens little extended [TS]

00:11:02   dead teeth come out and bite it [TS]

00:11:05   Parker's head but that's about it that's [TS]

00:11:08   it it's very low-key internet going [TS]

00:11:11   it's like a slasher movie but the line [TS]

00:11:13   item for fake blood instead went for KY [TS]

00:11:16   jelly haha so this is what i want to [TS]

00:11:19   mention is is that this is a movie with [TS]

00:11:21   lots of sci-fi trappings that are very [TS]

00:11:23   interesting i think that it it was a lot [TS]

00:11:26   i kept I kept thinking as I watched it [TS]

00:11:27   as most 1970 sci-fi movies do a tone was [TS]

00:11:30   a huge debt to 2001 but it is a horror [TS]

00:11:34   movie where everybody gets picked off [TS]

00:11:36   one by one I think at its core like [TS]

00:11:39   steve was listing be dead ways everybody [TS]

00:11:41   dies [TS]

00:11:41   everybody dies one by one until only [TS]

00:11:44   Sigourney Weaver is left it is a horror [TS]

00:11:46   movie in that way and that's one of the [TS]

00:11:47   things that I think is fascinating about [TS]

00:11:49   it is that it is it is just a horror [TS]

00:11:52   movie set in a sci-fi world but it is [TS]

00:11:54   unabashedly you know a slasher movie [TS]

00:11:56   where the slasher is not a a phantasm or [TS]

00:11:59   a madman but a killer alien but [TS]

00:12:01   otherwise it's just don't you know it [TS]

00:12:03   it's a slasher movie [TS]

00:12:05   yeah actually I took a class in college [TS]

00:12:07   called film styles and genre with David [TS]

00:12:11   bordwell the american film theorists and [TS]

00:12:13   historian and the every every semester [TS]

00:12:16   he would do a different genre and I [TS]

00:12:18   would I lucked out and got horror for [TS]

00:12:20   the genre therefore the the semester i [TS]

00:12:22   happen to be doing it an alien i think [TS]

00:12:24   was one of the one of the first things [TS]

00:12:26   that we actually watched and talked [TS]

00:12:28   about for that class so i have just sort [TS]

00:12:31   of always seen it as a horror movie [TS]

00:12:33   because i know i had seen it before that [TS]

00:12:34   but I had seen aliens so many more times [TS]

00:12:37   and that of course is not a horror movie [TS]

00:12:39   that's an actual yeah so my memories my [TS]

00:12:42   memories of alien are really just Oh [TS]

00:12:44   abiding Lee paying attention to the [TS]

00:12:47   horror elements because that is that's [TS]

00:12:49   sort of how I I really paid attention to [TS]

00:12:52   it the first time I [TS]

00:12:53   dug into the film actually the nastiest [TS]

00:12:55   death by far is has got to be ash and [TS]

00:12:59   yeah yeah i mean it and and the only [TS]

00:13:02   reason I think that even would have [TS]

00:13:03   passed muster as an r rating is because [TS]

00:13:05   he's squirting milky fluid instead [TS]

00:13:07   relies yeah it's pretty it's pretty foul [TS]

00:13:10   if you watch it in the context of him [TS]

00:13:12   being a human you know I think one of [TS]

00:13:14   the reasons that this movie was has [TS]

00:13:16   become so influential is because of that [TS]

00:13:18   combination of Johnson guess it is a [TS]

00:13:20   horror movie but it's a really good [TS]

00:13:21   horror movie and because the sci-fi is a [TS]

00:13:25   setting rather than the sort of driver [TS]

00:13:28   in the sense of what we think of as hard [TS]

00:13:30   sci-fi and also because it does such a [TS]

00:13:32   good job of that kind of working-class [TS]

00:13:34   dirty sci-fi yeah you know that you're [TS]

00:13:38   so funny things like Star Wars but [TS]

00:13:39   obviously very different context there [TS]

00:13:41   because the size is setting it doesn't [TS]

00:13:44   require sort of my friend Frankie [TS]

00:13:48   cornered leanings in order to appreciate [TS]

00:13:50   the horror movie aspect of it and you [TS]

00:13:53   know both of those genres are so [TS]

00:13:55   maligned schlocky so many so often and [TS]

00:14:00   yet this is regarded as a classic well [TS]

00:14:02   in 1979 that was a pretty valid [TS]

00:14:04   complaint oh sure sure but then along [TS]

00:14:07   came this and suddenly this was winning [TS]

00:14:09   awards [TS]

00:14:10   I mean it literally won an Academy Award [TS]

00:14:12   I'm indicate was for effect but you know [TS]

00:14:14   has incredible i like to compare to 2001 [TS]

00:14:17   for its aesthetic which is the polar [TS]

00:14:20   opposite of 2,000 ones gleaming [TS]

00:14:23   antiseptic stanley kubrick style whereas [TS]

00:14:27   this is even before you see any people [TS]

00:14:29   it's a spaceship that people live in its [TS]

00:14:32   grungy even more than Star Wars is lived [TS]

00:14:36   in universe [TS]

00:14:37   this is a working-class yes science [TS]

00:14:40   fiction world which has loved so much [TS]

00:14:42   it's not campaign it's not guns back in [TS]

00:14:44   its everything looks as if it's used as [TS]

00:14:47   if you could just sort of walk into it [TS]

00:14:49   and start living in that world I agree [TS]

00:14:52   it's actually we talk about this in our [TS]

00:14:53   episode about the original Ghostbusters [TS]

00:14:56   movie but I said I think one of the [TS]

00:14:57   things about and from 2016 you look at [TS]

00:14:59   them smoking on a spaceship you're like [TS]

00:15:02   oh that's a really bad idea [TS]

00:15:03   somebody's opposition do you guys have [TS]

00:15:06   but it is a i also read that as I do in [TS]

00:15:09   ghostbusters as it is also a signal of [TS]

00:15:12   like these are real people these are [TS]

00:15:13   like working class people there they're [TS]

00:15:15   doing a job i think i think i enjoy [TS]

00:15:17   avocados performance since he's like i'm [TS]

00:15:19   just so i'm just working here man [TS]

00:15:21   right i think it's really good i just [TS]

00:15:23   want my money yeah their banter over [TS]

00:15:24   their first breakfasts feels really like [TS]

00:15:27   a an organic conversation I mean these [TS]

00:15:29   are these are like the space garbage men [TS]

00:15:32   right so that the first conversation [TS]

00:15:33   they have is about money [TS]

00:15:35   Yeah right there talking about their [TS]

00:15:36   bonuses that's the worried about its [TS]

00:15:38   really not talking about how amazing is [TS]

00:15:41   that they've just woken up from [TS]

00:15:42   suspended animation [TS]

00:15:43   that's one is not even mentioned you [TS]

00:15:45   know are there not gimmies that the [TS]

00:15:47   United space there might be a new world [TS]

00:15:50   out there you like new civilizations [TS]

00:15:52   like an antithesis of the star trac [TS]

00:15:55   optimism this mission is over we gotta [TS]

00:15:58   get home and get pay well what do you [TS]

00:16:00   mean where we are delayed we don't want [TS]

00:16:01   to be delayed [TS]

00:16:02   yeah this isn't a star trek universe [TS]

00:16:04   where we've evolved past money make [TS]

00:16:06   money pay me [TS]

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00:17:01   you there on Saturday October 29th don't [TS]

00:17:04   when I mentioned 2001 of the way I view [TS]

00:17:06   it is yeah this is this is a dirty world [TS]

00:17:08   in a way that the 2001 isn't but but it [TS]

00:17:11   is the pacing of it the way space is [TS]

00:17:14   treated I felt like very 2001 it is [TS]

00:17:17   slow and deliberate and quiet especially [TS]

00:17:20   at the beginning which serves the horror [TS]

00:17:22   movie part of this movie that very well [TS]

00:17:24   right that it that it's using you know [TS]

00:17:27   could you could argue i guess the 2001 [TS]

00:17:29   is also sort of horrific and what [TS]

00:17:31   eventually happens but it's it's a lot [TS]

00:17:32   of things and we're not here to talk [TS]

00:17:34   about 2001 that that's another episode [TS]

00:17:35   that we probably never will do but it [TS]

00:17:38   would be 10 hours long if we did it but [TS]

00:17:40   it's it's a slow pace and and all of [TS]

00:17:44   that I think works to the benefit of the [TS]

00:17:45   horse stuff but but I definitely felt [TS]

00:17:47   like the first time we haven't really [TS]

00:17:49   even kind of broken down the plot of the [TS]

00:17:50   movie here but first chunk went on the [TS]

00:17:52   planet especially and their the interval [TS]

00:17:55   and they get out and all that not only [TS]

00:17:56   is I think the science questionable in [TS]

00:17:58   there but uh which okay it's fine [TS]

00:18:01   whatever but it's just it it feels it [TS]

00:18:05   feels slow and and frustrating to to me [TS]

00:18:08   as a modern film viewer but also at the [TS]

00:18:10   same time really calls back to something [TS]

00:18:13   like 2001 which was absolutely that's [TS]

00:18:15   like space is quiet and it's slow and [TS]

00:18:17   these things are moving very slowly [TS]

00:18:18   through silence and I did appreciate [TS]

00:18:20   that part of it even though it's a very [TS]

00:18:22   different feeling world yeah I want to [TS]

00:18:23   talk a little bit about that pacing [TS]

00:18:24   which when I rewatched this the first [TS]

00:18:28   time three years ago when we were [TS]

00:18:29   supposed to do this movie I I made a [TS]

00:18:32   note that you know as much as I love [TS]

00:18:34   this movie and this is not the fault of [TS]

00:18:35   the movie in any way but it as much as I [TS]

00:18:38   love the movie i think it's a [TS]

00:18:39   masterpiece and i think that the effects [TS]

00:18:40   and things still hold up very well I [TS]

00:18:42   agree it kind of doesn't work anymore [TS]

00:18:45   I you know you said I disagree not [TS]

00:18:48   because everything seems dated but [TS]

00:18:49   because it takes so long to get going [TS]

00:18:52   and for me remembering how amazing all [TS]

00:18:56   of the sci-fi stuff and all the [TS]

00:18:57   planetary stuff was as a kid it doesn't [TS]

00:19:00   bother me because it's me it just feels [TS]

00:19:02   like a really good slow burn but i think [TS]

00:19:06   most modern audiences watch this stuff [TS]

00:19:09   in the beginning and it's stuffed it in [TS]

00:19:11   1979 it was groundbreaking and now it's [TS]

00:19:13   stuff that we've seen a million times [TS]

00:19:14   and i'm also going to disagree sight of [TS]

00:19:18   this here especially because we call [TS]

00:19:19   Dean's is now who will sit through a [TS]

00:19:20   season of Game of Thrones were so it'll [TS]

00:19:22   happen they are they love this little [TS]

00:19:26   bird piece which is great because i'm [TS]

00:19:28   completely on board with that I'd love a [TS]

00:19:30   lot of seventies I can certainly see [TS]

00:19:32   like John audiences and people who are [TS]

00:19:35   prepared for that sort of a slow burn to [TS]

00:19:39   appreciate it properly but i-i-i show [TS]

00:19:43   this to my daughter who's 13 angels [TS]

00:19:47   minus 14 my son who's 9 was also in the [TS]

00:19:50   room and he spent the first hour like [TS]

00:19:52   playing roblox he wasn't really paying [TS]

00:19:53   attention but she was so bored she made [TS]

00:19:56   it to the chest burster seeing as I [TS]

00:19:58   insisted that she at least get and then [TS]

00:20:02   I just around until Parker got [TS]

00:20:04   dispatched as well because you at least [TS]

00:20:06   need to see Kaiser what sort of it [TS]

00:20:08   trajectory the movies beyond come on [TS]

00:20:10   kids watch these people die horrific [TS]

00:20:12   yeah [TS]

00:20:14   yes you must was that's right it's good [TS]

00:20:17   for you it's good for the soul questions [TS]

00:20:18   already she was already lost to me at [TS]

00:20:20   that point that the interesting thing is [TS]

00:20:22   my son who who barely saw any of that [TS]

00:20:24   first hour or so of the planetary [TS]

00:20:27   exploration he got interested right [TS]

00:20:29   around the time the chest burster [TS]

00:20:30   happening closed up roadblocks and he [TS]

00:20:32   watched the last hour of the movie and [TS]

00:20:33   really enjoyed it but that first hour is [TS]

00:20:36   so slow and you know I just I just think [TS]

00:20:40   that that's it probably lose a lot of [TS]

00:20:42   people who watch it I used to think that [TS]

00:20:44   to be honest but and the past 10 years [TS]

00:20:48   or so whenever we watched it I love the [TS]

00:20:50   opening stuff more and more and i think [TS]

00:20:52   i know i don't i can't speak to people [TS]

00:20:54   generally but i know that for me it's [TS]

00:20:57   because it really hits that sweet spot [TS]

00:20:59   of space mystery with the space horror [TS]

00:21:02   combination and I i just love the [TS]

00:21:05   atmosphere of that the claustrophobia [TS]

00:21:07   bits the gradual reveal the tiny Clues [TS]

00:21:11   you get the hint that they'll do the [TS]

00:21:13   spaceship thing which is completely ruin [TS]

00:21:14   everything about it because of [TS]

00:21:16   Prometheus I can't watch when the scenes [TS]

00:21:18   big-time people without thinking of your [TS]

00:21:20   God that other movie which in retrospect [TS]

00:21:22   actually I wasn't too mad at Prometheus [TS]

00:21:25   before until i rewatch daily and after [TS]

00:21:27   and then I got very hungry i still have [TS]

00:21:30   much for me this I can't bring myself to [TS]

00:21:32   watch it it's interesting i kinda liked [TS]

00:21:34   it it didn't hate as far as the slow [TS]

00:21:36   burn stuff goes I for me I take its seat [TS]

00:21:38   sort of sequence by sequence and some of [TS]

00:21:40   it works and [TS]

00:21:41   some of it I think doesn't the entire [TS]

00:21:42   opening where they're actually on the [TS]

00:21:44   ship i love it i love that it has a [TS]

00:21:46   chance to breathe because likely says [TS]

00:21:48   you are discovering things in every [TS]

00:21:51   every shot has something you know you [TS]

00:21:53   get the human touch of the like the [TS]

00:21:54   little drinking birds with one of them [TS]

00:21:56   in motion and one of them not and and [TS]

00:21:58   all of that stuff the conversations [TS]

00:22:00   everything is driving you towards [TS]

00:22:03   something and giving you information [TS]

00:22:04   about who these people are what the [TS]

00:22:06   world is like and then you get the [TS]

00:22:07   sequence of them landing on the planet [TS]

00:22:09   where you're not really getting anything [TS]

00:22:10   except this planet is inhospitable in [TS]

00:22:12   this land is very loud [TS]

00:22:14   yea so lots of alerts i was really bored [TS]

00:22:16   during that point because it was slow [TS]

00:22:19   and wasn't giving us any information i'm [TS]

00:22:21   fine with slow as long as I'm getting [TS]

00:22:22   something out of it [TS]

00:22:24   can you imagine how long that little [TS]

00:22:25   mechanical roosters been dipping his [TS]

00:22:26   beak in that glass of internally i [TS]

00:22:28   wanted to engineer that big what America [TS]

00:22:30   when I rotate around was I mean and I [TS]

00:22:32   wrote down this way I feel like a modern [TS]

00:22:33   science which movie would do some of [TS]

00:22:34   that stuff at the very beginning better [TS]

00:22:36   and specifically more detail a little [TS]

00:22:39   more mystery and yes a faster pace but I [TS]

00:22:41   feel like that was the thing that struck [TS]

00:22:42   me is is I just kind of thought I could [TS]

00:22:45   see how it could be a little more [TS]

00:22:46   detailed that there was some time we're [TS]

00:22:48   kind of not a lot was happening and I [TS]

00:22:51   did feel to Steve's point that you're [TS]

00:22:53   meant to marvel at the scene that now [TS]

00:22:55   seems a lot more pedestrian there are [TS]

00:22:56   other parts of that I think are really [TS]

00:22:58   great i'm not saying this whole movie [TS]

00:22:59   would be made better if it was made as a [TS]

00:23:01   modern blockbuster good god no I'm not [TS]

00:23:04   saying that but I feel like I feel like [TS]

00:23:06   it could've been a little more sort of [TS]

00:23:08   sci-fi detail to intrigue you at the [TS]

00:23:10   beginning that that it is just not there [TS]

00:23:13   because i think at the time they figured [TS]

00:23:14   it was intriguing enough for a spaceship [TS]

00:23:15   landing on my alien planet what more do [TS]

00:23:17   you need [TS]

00:23:17   when you've got a room full of blinking [TS]

00:23:19   lights that's a computer you can you [TS]

00:23:21   know but soft landing soft landing soft [TS]

00:23:23   landings in the bank sorts of computers [TS]

00:23:25   the more lights the computer had better [TS]

00:23:27   it is banking and flashing green and [TS]

00:23:30   watching [TS]

00:23:30   why does that computer breathe in [TS]

00:23:32   context in 1979 it's not even that slow [TS]

00:23:35   pace like a nineteen seventies indie [TS]

00:23:37   movie will take forever and not do [TS]

00:23:40   anything sure like to lay blacktop [TS]

00:23:42   that's my favorite example nothing [TS]

00:23:44   happens that movie and I love it [TS]

00:23:46   Steve you you mentioned the influence [TS]

00:23:48   and that's one of the points that I want [TS]

00:23:49   to really wanted to sort of bring up was [TS]

00:23:52   think about I mean how [TS]

00:23:54   influential this movie is being for a [TS]

00:23:56   start but also Blade Runner and you know [TS]

00:24:00   the movie ready Scott made after this he [TS]

00:24:03   made this blade runner in the space of [TS]

00:24:05   three years two of the most influential [TS]

00:24:09   sci-fi movies and in the case of alien [TS]

00:24:12   horror movies of all time [TS]

00:24:14   that's kind of amazing you know like [TS]

00:24:16   almost every movie that's followed since [TS]

00:24:18   in those genres has paid some kind of [TS]

00:24:21   debts to either alien or blade runner [TS]

00:24:23   it's astounding absolutely and half of [TS]

00:24:26   that I quite like you made terrible [TS]

00:24:28   movies now I thought the Martian was [TS]

00:24:32   very very good yeah I i really like the [TS]

00:24:34   Martian I i have no i haven't seen that [TS]

00:24:36   we're not talking smack about 1492 [TS]

00:24:38   conquest of paradise are we but any of [TS]

00:24:40   us should be so lucky to make even one [TS]

00:24:42   thing half as good as any other of these [TS]

00:24:45   movies you know they're just so [TS]

00:24:46   influential it's almost hard unless unit [TS]

00:24:50   old farts like us and you've lived [TS]

00:24:51   through its almost hard to appreciate [TS]

00:24:53   this sort of before-and-after alien and [TS]

00:24:56   blade on a state alter cinema sci fi ya [TS]

00:25:00   know I don't want to suggest there's [TS]

00:25:01   anything really wrong with the pacing in [TS]

00:25:03   1979 I think it's actually almost [TS]

00:25:05   perfectly paced for the time it was made [TS]

00:25:07   it's just doesn't it doesn't really work [TS]

00:25:09   i think for a lot of people in today's [TS]

00:25:11   audiences got kicked myself forever for [TS]

00:25:13   this I did not insist that we watch the [TS]

00:25:17   movie in a darkened room away from all [TS]

00:25:20   the other distractions and we did that [TS]

00:25:21   was because that was because my daughter [TS]

00:25:24   did not want to watch it in a darkened [TS]

00:25:26   room with the other distractions she was [TS]

00:25:27   a little she had some trepidation about [TS]

00:25:29   it she's not watched a lot of horror [TS]

00:25:30   movies so in order to get to watch it we [TS]

00:25:33   had to watch it during the day and I [TS]

00:25:34   think if if she had been locked in where [TS]

00:25:36   she couldn't get into the other stuff [TS]

00:25:39   doing physically locked it i'm not [TS]

00:25:42   talking about clapping and irons it's [TS]

00:25:44   amazing parenting tips you get from [TS]

00:25:46   podcast speaking of darkened rooms [TS]

00:25:48   though actually I did even though [TS]

00:25:51   obviously I originally saw it on VHS i [TS]

00:25:52   have seen it on the big screen because [TS]

00:25:55   the local multiplex where i lived in the [TS]

00:25:58   early nineties did a double bill of [TS]

00:26:01   alien aliens it started at 9pm so you [TS]

00:26:03   can imagine what time will roll [TS]

00:26:04   out that and how we smelled but the main [TS]

00:26:08   thing i remember was how much more [TS]

00:26:11   powerful alien particularly was on the [TS]

00:26:14   big screen like this was a by that point [TS]

00:26:16   I'd already seen the movie fifty a [TS]

00:26:18   hundred times but are seeing it on the [TS]

00:26:22   big screen was like seeing it for the [TS]

00:26:24   first time all over again it was [TS]

00:26:25   extraordinary there were a couple of [TS]

00:26:27   scenes like for example where the alien [TS]

00:26:29   reveal in the air ducts when they when [TS]

00:26:32   he kills Dallas was it i mean you know I [TS]

00:26:34   knew it was coming and yet seeing get [TS]

00:26:37   30-foot high in a darkened room [TS]

00:26:39   surrounded by the dolby surround sound [TS]

00:26:41   scared the crap out of me that's such a [TS]

00:26:44   beautiful shot [TS]

00:26:45   it's fantastic here but there were a few [TS]

00:26:47   shots like that where the impact of [TS]

00:26:49   seeing them at the theater on the big [TS]

00:26:52   screen really made a difference so I [TS]

00:26:54   mean what are the chances anybody is [TS]

00:26:56   still showing alien as a special showing [TS]

00:26:58   on the big screen but if anybody if you [TS]

00:27:00   ever get the chance to to see it on the [TS]

00:27:02   big screen do so because it really is [TS]

00:27:04   extraordinary that was why I was glad i [TS]

00:27:06   got to watch in college because we had [TS]

00:27:08   you know it was a 35-millimeter print [TS]

00:27:10   brought into the you know that the [TS]

00:27:11   ballroom was great as great as it is to [TS]

00:27:14   see it in the theater I've got to say [TS]

00:27:16   the blu-ray of these look fantastic [TS]

00:27:18   really does this if I didn't already [TS]

00:27:20   have blu-ray this the alien City alien [TS]

00:27:23   anthology they call the blu-ray set [TS]

00:27:24   quadrille is the quadrille into is a [TS]

00:27:27   dvds sorry you're right it's different [TS]

00:27:30   made-up word that's it it's a [TS]

00:27:32   magnificent set it's very well produced [TS]

00:27:33   but the thing that really blows me away [TS]

00:27:36   as I spent years watching this on VHS in [TS]

00:27:38   and scan you know and pan and scan mrs. [TS]

00:27:42   so much of the detail on the fringes and [TS]

00:27:45   so much of the framing you know you [TS]

00:27:48   don't i had forgotten having only seen [TS]

00:27:50   in the theater once when I was seven so [TS]

00:27:52   tonight it's unsurprising that i forgot [TS]

00:27:54   but but those shots were they're [TS]

00:27:58   approaching the derelict spaceship in [TS]

00:28:00   pain and scan their boring as all hell [TS]

00:28:03   because you only get that tiny little [TS]

00:28:05   that tiny little close-up shot of them [TS]

00:28:07   approaching the thing when you see it in [TS]

00:28:09   its full detail [TS]

00:28:10   uh [TS]

00:28:11   on the blu-ray you really get the sense [TS]

00:28:13   of how gigantic this thing is how tiny [TS]

00:28:15   the crew is in comparison and it makes [TS]

00:28:17   all the difference in the world [TS]

00:28:19   those shots are all about scale and [TS]

00:28:20   weird things with scale that whole thing [TS]

00:28:22   is like this is much larger than it [TS]

00:28:24   should be the body as much larger than [TS]

00:28:26   it should be [TS]

00:28:27   it's all like that and you you you're [TS]

00:28:28   right you completely miss it if it's [TS]

00:28:30   just cropped into the infinite little [TS]

00:28:32   square and it's gorgeous I mean that the [TS]

00:28:34   wreath three and whatever the [TS]

00:28:35   remastering that they did on the picture [TS]

00:28:37   itself the original movie did not look [TS]

00:28:39   that good by any stretch of the [TS]

00:28:41   imagination so let's go to the planetoid [TS]

00:28:43   I and talk about the crash base ship [TS]

00:28:44   because this is one of these I mean that [TS]

00:28:46   we don't have that many settings in this [TS]

00:28:48   film I mean we're gonna end up on the [TS]

00:28:49   Nostromo and people get picked up one by [TS]

00:28:51   one but we start with this spaceship and [TS]

00:28:55   it's huge and if they see it through the [TS]

00:28:57   kind of fog of it you ash can you see [TS]

00:28:59   this [TS]

00:29:00   there's a spaceship crash they find a [TS]

00:29:03   dead alien in a chair it's super weird [TS]

00:29:05   it's hard to understand even what you're [TS]

00:29:07   seeing it's so strange and and like we [TS]

00:29:11   said the scale of it is completely [TS]

00:29:13   strange and it's it's a it's a scene [TS]

00:29:16   that that is a scene that I could watch [TS]

00:29:18   over and over again because it's so [TS]

00:29:20   weird and confusing and creepy and i [TS]

00:29:24   love that movie is basically saying [TS]

00:29:25   figure look at this what do you think [TS]

00:29:27   this looks like figure it out which is [TS]

00:29:29   what it's what I feel like the scene is [TS]

00:29:31   doing it makes the title of the movie [TS]

00:29:32   into an adjective rather than and now [TS]

00:29:34   it's like an HR giger painting looks [TS]

00:29:36   like your penis is an unusual but [TS]

00:29:38   otherwise it's a good yeah i lock the [TS]

00:29:42   others are so many reasons i love you i [TS]

00:29:43   like because it's forcing you to [TS]

00:29:45   empathize with the crew and terribly for [TS]

00:29:48   feeling what they're feeling is there [TS]

00:29:49   exploring and texting and you know that [TS]

00:29:52   I don't get that level of connection [TS]

00:29:55   with a lot of movies and it's also its [TS]

00:29:58   space horror in a way that's perfect for [TS]

00:30:01   me because it means i can enjoy being [TS]

00:30:03   scared was not being scared to leave the [TS]

00:30:06   room after works because something's [TS]

00:30:07   going to get me it's that there's enough [TS]

00:30:10   of a disconnect that's why i'm not a fan [TS]

00:30:12   of slasher movies because like that the [TS]

00:30:15   world but spaced far that's brilliant [TS]

00:30:17   anything can happen space horror because [TS]

00:30:19   I'm never going to go into rocket [TS]

00:30:20   because I'd be too scared even if i get [TS]

00:30:22   so it's fine that's fine [TS]

00:30:24   this is [TS]

00:30:25   really why I thought this would be a [TS]

00:30:26   good introductory horror movie for the [TS]

00:30:28   kids because that it's like I said it's [TS]

00:30:31   it's light on the blood and it's [TS]

00:30:33   entirely happening somewhere that looks [TS]

00:30:36   completely unlike their daily [TS]

00:30:37   environment so they can disassociate [TS]

00:30:40   from from anything yes I as a child who [TS]

00:30:44   is reasonably easily scared that does [TS]

00:30:47   help with the Space Jockey seen talking [TS]

00:30:50   about scale this is where they use [TS]

00:30:52   children in suits [TS]

00:30:54   ah when you see longshots those are [TS]

00:30:57   children wearing spacesuits walking [TS]

00:30:58   around set to make everything seem [TS]

00:31:00   bigger so John Hurt decides hey I know [TS]

00:31:03   what I'm gonna do I'm gonna go down [TS]

00:31:05   below in this weird thing and find a [TS]

00:31:08   whole chamber full of things that look [TS]

00:31:11   kinda like eggs [TS]

00:31:12   okay and there's things in the end and [TS]

00:31:13   it's actually one of the moments that I [TS]

00:31:15   really love in this is when he looks at [TS]

00:31:17   one at the egg and there's like movement [TS]

00:31:18   on the inside [TS]

00:31:19   what's in there and it's so great Ridley [TS]

00:31:22   Scott's happens that's what's in there [TS]

00:31:24   and it's lit up by Pink Floyd's lasers [TS]

00:31:27   appear how it works like I like the fact [TS]

00:31:30   that the eggs are sweating upwards I've [TS]

00:31:32   always thought all looking affect the [TS]

00:31:35   thing that I like about it is is sort of [TS]

00:31:37   the setup for this that that makes me [TS]

00:31:39   not annoyed with his choices because if [TS]

00:31:41   this was a sort of a scientific crew [TS]

00:31:43   that was supposed to be going out and [TS]

00:31:45   investigating new world a new life and [TS]

00:31:47   all that kind of stuff i would be super [TS]

00:31:49   annoyed somebody who just goes in by [TS]

00:31:51   himself and starts poking at crap [TS]

00:31:53   oh god don't see Prometheus this is a [TS]

00:31:55   bunch of you know workaday folks who [TS]

00:31:57   want to get home and get their money so [TS]

00:31:59   then but they're doing what they're told [TS]

00:32:00   to do just so that they can get out of [TS]

00:32:02   here and this particular character has [TS]

00:32:04   some genuine curiosity about this stuff [TS]

00:32:06   so he does go in and start looking [TS]

00:32:08   around and poking and and I don't have [TS]

00:32:10   to be too annoyed at him because you [TS]

00:32:12   know that's that's probably what you do [TS]

00:32:14   well he's the one that's all excited [TS]

00:32:15   he's the one that's excited about going [TS]

00:32:17   out he's the one that volunteers there [TS]

00:32:18   was like why am I not surprised because [TS]

00:32:20   he's clearly the guy who's into the [TS]

00:32:22   whole you know exploring other worlds [TS]

00:32:24   stuff it's Kane who urges them to go on [TS]

00:32:26   as well when lumber wants to go back [TS]

00:32:28   he's the one who's saying no we have to [TS]

00:32:30   keep going [TS]

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00:34:07   incomparable the eggs in this is so much [TS]

00:34:10   more yucky than they are in later movies [TS]

00:34:12   as well from aliens almost a really sort [TS]

00:34:14   of cleaned up and streamlined all the [TS]

00:34:17   alien stuff including the aliens [TS]

00:34:18   themselves and especially these words [TS]

00:34:20   these eggs are horrible leathery oh yeah [TS]

00:34:24   I love the shot when it opens and you [TS]

00:34:26   see what looks like uncooked chicken on [TS]

00:34:28   the top with vain [TS]

00:34:30   yeah exactly how is a ladder or [TS]

00:34:32   something awful and and so he gets a [TS]

00:34:36   thing of space groups who was expecting [TS]

00:34:38   that [TS]

00:34:39   nice job dummy talking about pacing by [TS]

00:34:42   the way just here sometime code stuff [TS]

00:34:44   for you that happens at 34 minutes [TS]

00:34:46   almost exactly half an hour later is the [TS]

00:34:49   first kill [TS]

00:34:50   haha yeah and almost exactly [TS]

00:34:52   half an hour after that is the ash [TS]

00:34:54   revelation so the whole film is divided [TS]

00:34:57   into 30 minute chunks [TS]

00:34:59   I would have loved to see this movie and [TS]

00:35:00   not know which a horror movie because [TS]

00:35:02   it's called alien and you have a half [TS]

00:35:04   hour of just screwed around on a [TS]

00:35:05   spaceship you're thinking all right [TS]

00:35:06   space movie [TS]

00:35:07   where's the alien then my god what [TS]

00:35:10   happened [TS]

00:35:11   yes if they call this movie like space I [TS]

00:35:13   scholars or something and that ice road [TS]

00:35:16   spacers something like it seems like [TS]

00:35:19   we're kind of going through the plot at [TS]

00:35:20   this point so yeah I wanted to to bring [TS]

00:35:22   in how much I appreciate having seen it [TS]

00:35:24   a million times how well they do the ash [TS]

00:35:27   plotline and how subtle the indications [TS]

00:35:31   that he's not entirely human [TS]

00:35:33   yeah kind of come in as you go along [TS]

00:35:35   like and how he sort of suddenly pushing [TS]

00:35:38   them to go investigate even though [TS]

00:35:40   nobody really is that into it except for [TS]

00:35:41   Cain like a there's a point early on [TS]

00:35:45   where they land the ship has been [TS]

00:35:47   damaged and Dallas a like well we can I [TS]

00:35:49   think it's actually can says we can't go [TS]

00:35:51   out and this because it's a you know [TS]

00:35:53   it's nighttime and it's cold and the [TS]

00:35:54   winds of space or blowing him and asks [TS]

00:35:58   hopefully chimes in well mother says the [TS]

00:36:00   sun's coming up in 20 minutes [TS]

00:36:01   she's the one who also persuade your [TS]

00:36:04   coast character that he should so they [TS]

00:36:07   should investigate the beacon remember [TS]

00:36:09   when they're right [TS]

00:36:10   no just telling them all that yeah that [TS]

00:36:12   we've had the SOS and he's like well [TS]

00:36:13   that's not in my contract and ashes on [TS]

00:36:15   his life actually it is and if you don't [TS]

00:36:18   go you'll lose all your shares right [TS]

00:36:20   money and really wants to go out and [TS]

00:36:22   inform them that it's a warning and not [TS]

00:36:24   a got call for help and he's the one who [TS]

00:36:27   have chimes and well it's not much point [TS]

00:36:29   in going after him by the time you get [TS]

00:36:30   out there they'll know whether it's a [TS]

00:36:31   warning or not so you know no bother [TS]

00:36:34   ok I really have to go watch this again [TS]

00:36:35   because all of this i mean i'm not [TS]

00:36:37   exactly good at picking up and sort of [TS]

00:36:39   plot hints that this is a luchshe never [TS]

00:36:42   note and then later Ripley won't let [TS]

00:36:44   them back in which is 100-percent the [TS]

00:36:46   correct thing to do slightly round and [TS]

00:36:49   ok just taps on the little opener go on [TS]

00:36:51   in uh-huh i think my favorite to my [TS]

00:36:54   favorite early bit like this is when [TS]

00:36:56   he's getting ready to take his position [TS]

00:36:57   at the console to watch the away team go [TS]

00:36:59   out he does this really weird little jog [TS]

00:37:02   in play before he heads over there and [TS]

00:37:05   it's it seems completely unnatural it's [TS]

00:37:08   like he's got some sort of a glitch in [TS]

00:37:09   his system and he's like somehow by [TS]

00:37:12   moving is his bits around he's like [TS]

00:37:13   breaking rust or something [TS]

00:37:15   I think that's meant to be i mean i [TS]

00:37:17   don't know but i I've always wanted [TS]

00:37:19   thought that's meant to be a signal to [TS]

00:37:22   us for later that there is something [TS]

00:37:25   wrong with him that he is malfunctioning [TS]

00:37:26   because you're right there's no it's not [TS]

00:37:29   like he's about to go on any kind of [TS]

00:37:30   physical activity there's no point to it [TS]

00:37:32   whatsoever i think that's one of this is [TS]

00:37:34   one of the things that this movie does [TS]

00:37:36   very well to add this entire plot point [TS]

00:37:39   about ash and about the reason that this [TS]

00:37:42   is all happening and I this is one of [TS]

00:37:44   those cases where I think a modern movie [TS]

00:37:46   would completely mess this up because [TS]

00:37:49   they would a modern movie would say well [TS]

00:37:51   we need to have all these reversals of [TS]

00:37:54   about how they all got set up and they [TS]

00:37:56   need to find out that this was always [TS]

00:37:57   set up in the beginning and it needs I I [TS]

00:37:59   just feel like a modern movie would [TS]

00:38:00   really do a bad job of this because it [TS]

00:38:02   would make they would make it more [TS]

00:38:04   integral to the plot in and and the fact [TS]

00:38:06   is it's not necessary it to have this [TS]

00:38:09   happen it's it's cool that it happens we [TS]

00:38:12   don't need a reason why we have a movie [TS]

00:38:15   where a spaceship lands on a planet and [TS]

00:38:17   they get infected with an alien and [TS]

00:38:19   kills them all but uh but it's a nice [TS]

00:38:22   bit of additional seasoning to vote to [TS]

00:38:25   the reason why it happens there was a [TS]

00:38:27   conspiracy it you know these people were [TS]

00:38:29   set up and then you get the reveal with [TS]

00:38:31   ash which is such a great sci-fi moment [TS]

00:38:35   in a horror movie that it's great I just [TS]

00:38:38   I feel like it is the it is a perfect [TS]

00:38:39   level of integration with the plot that [TS]

00:38:42   a modern movie would screw up because [TS]

00:38:44   they try to do too much with it [TS]

00:38:45   this is why when I show this to this to [TS]

00:38:47   people who already know about the chest [TS]

00:38:48   burster seen I'm not too bothered by [TS]

00:38:50   that because the ash reveal is so well [TS]

00:38:52   so what just happened all surprises [TS]

00:38:53   because that I mean he's spinning around [TS]

00:38:56   and there's fluid shooting everywhere [TS]

00:38:58   don't even have the time to really deal [TS]

00:39:01   with that Parker Knox's head [TS]

00:39:03   yeah an air tank was some kind it's a [TS]

00:39:05   fire extinguisher or something yeah his [TS]

00:39:07   head flies off and he's like doing the [TS]

00:39:09   chicken with his head cut off things [TS]

00:39:10   with his hands [TS]

00:39:11   it's great they use the white fluid [TS]

00:39:13   because red would look too much like [TS]

00:39:15   blood but that white fluid is really [TS]

00:39:17   disturbing shit is like shooting out of [TS]

00:39:20   his mouth while he's trying to talk it's [TS]

00:39:22   so great being blowed that's so great [TS]

00:39:24   now I mean that and that's where that's [TS]

00:39:26   that's where we won't talk about mixing [TS]

00:39:27   genres i love that the science-fiction [TS]

00:39:29   aspect it's layered back in on it's [TS]

00:39:31   almost like we start with a base coat [TS]

00:39:33   base coat of of sci-fi then we lay some [TS]

00:39:35   horror on top of that and then here we [TS]

00:39:37   get the sci-fi on top of that again it's [TS]

00:39:39   like what the f what everybody still [TS]

00:39:41   pretty horrible it is always horrible [TS]

00:39:43   but it's like sci-fi horrible and that's [TS]

00:39:45   thatthat's this movie is nice layering [TS]

00:39:47   of different source port as well because [TS]

00:39:49   you've got you've got the alien and then [TS]

00:39:51   you've got you the sense that their [TS]

00:39:53   cooperation is not super great and then [TS]

00:39:56   you've got scary android malfunction and [TS]

00:39:58   trying to kill you as well as that is [TS]

00:40:00   it's top surface layers within the Clery [TS]

00:40:03   bits i also love how when they reconnect [TS]

00:40:06   his head even though he's inside look [TS]

00:40:09   completely organic you know he sort of [TS]

00:40:11   like some weird sci-fi organic surgeries [TS]

00:40:14   and but they still basically use jump [TS]

00:40:15   leads so yeah I'm gonna take me is [TS]

00:40:18   inside look like mostly like tubes and [TS]

00:40:20   boba for some reason I've never really [TS]

00:40:22   quite understood its gross that's what [TS]

00:40:23   the insides of people look like Robonaut [TS]

00:40:25   one of the things that I think most most [TS]

00:40:26   interesting about the the [TS]

00:40:28   special-edition DVDs that have the [TS]

00:40:30   deleted scenes as you really get a sense [TS]

00:40:31   of how well directed and edited this [TS]

00:40:34   film was and and and the ash reveal i [TS]

00:40:38   think is a perfect example of that [TS]

00:40:39   because there was a an early scene i [TS]

00:40:41   forget if it actually was a deleted [TS]

00:40:42   scene if it was just something that got [TS]

00:40:44   clipped out of the script but there's a [TS]

00:40:46   scene somewhere early on where Ripley [TS]

00:40:48   and Lambert are discussing whether [TS]

00:40:50   either of them has slept with ash [TS]

00:40:53   yeah because you know you're on a long [TS]

00:40:54   space trip and basically it sounds like [TS]

00:40:56   the the standard operating procedures [TS]

00:40:58   you just sleep around with whoever's on [TS]

00:40:59   the cruise to keep yourself from dying [TS]

00:41:02   of boredom and they're both surprised [TS]

00:41:04   but not entirely surprised because ash [TS]

00:41:06   is kind of a weirdo that neither of them [TS]

00:41:07   has actually slept with him and it's [TS]

00:41:11   it's it would have been an interesting [TS]

00:41:12   scene but at the same time I think it [TS]

00:41:14   would have been too telegraphic [TS]

00:41:15   right now what is becoming a terrific [TS]

00:41:17   Lou and I love the fact that they clip [TS]

00:41:19   that out because as much as I'd like to [TS]

00:41:21   see that scene and I think it adds an [TS]

00:41:22   interesting sort of wrinkle to the life [TS]

00:41:24   in space nature of the film the fact [TS]

00:41:27   that he took it out i think is is is [TS]

00:41:29   very telling as to how how much care was [TS]

00:41:32   taken to really make that reveal workout [TS]

00:41:34   but the paranoia goes then through this [TS]

00:41:36   whole franchise forward and I i love [TS]

00:41:39   that aspect of it that that this is not [TS]

00:41:41   this is not i just love it's not an [TS]

00:41:44   accident that these people people were [TS]

00:41:45   horribly killed a corporation decided to [TS]

00:41:49   essentially not care if they got killed [TS]

00:41:51   because they wanted to get this alien [TS]

00:41:54   that's basically the story and and again [TS]

00:41:57   it didn't need to happen that way but [TS]

00:41:59   that's that's what it is and then we [TS]

00:42:00   take for that sort of corporate [TS]

00:42:02   malfeasance and people being not as [TS]

00:42:04   important as prophets talk about them [TS]

00:42:06   talking about money in the beginning in [TS]

00:42:08   the end this is this is a another [TS]

00:42:09   financial calculations that's being had [TS]

00:42:12   that is exposing them to this work it's [TS]

00:42:14   just an attempt and began use again is [TS]

00:42:16   one of the most influential things in [TS]

00:42:19   the movie like you know as someone who [TS]

00:42:21   has worked on a lot of sci-fi and horror [TS]

00:42:23   and sci-fi our properties let me tell [TS]

00:42:26   you oh yeah oh my goodness with the [TS]

00:42:28   corporation's looking for weaponized [TS]

00:42:30   supernatural things and prepared to [TS]

00:42:33   sacrifice the search party at every [TS]

00:42:34   video game right quickly share price [TS]

00:42:36   such a cliché right now it's amazing i [TS]

00:42:39   think it's interesting that that whole [TS]

00:42:40   storyline the whole ash thing was not [TS]

00:42:43   part of the script that dan o'bannon and [TS]

00:42:44   run shoes that put together but it was [TS]

00:42:46   something that was suggested and then [TS]

00:42:48   almost forced into the story by David [TS]

00:42:51   Eyler and walter hill and I i don't [TS]

00:42:53   think the an abandoned was particularly [TS]

00:42:54   fond of it but it was something that [TS]

00:42:56   they thought was a great idea and they [TS]

00:42:58   said insisted on and I think it's [TS]

00:42:59   frankly one of the best things in the [TS]

00:43:00   movie yeah I think that was the right [TS]

00:43:01   choice [TS]

00:43:02   yeah he still cashing the checks yeah [TS]

00:43:04   that's just it just puts another spin [TS]

00:43:06   it's not it's another thing in the pot [TS]

00:43:08   right it's just another thing that's [TS]

00:43:09   happening like it's a it's not just that [TS]

00:43:11   monster is killing people but it's like [TS]

00:43:12   and somebody on the ship is setting it [TS]

00:43:15   up so that that's okay because the [TS]

00:43:17   bosses don't care but i love the fact [TS]

00:43:19   that there aren't like a bunch of scenes [TS]

00:43:21   like a of that makes it obvious that [TS]

00:43:23   there's a mole on the crew it's just [TS]

00:43:24   something that suddenly appear yeah [TS]

00:43:26   ashes head flies off [TS]

00:43:28   yeah that milk is applied everywhere [TS]

00:43:29   like oh my god what's going on here [TS]

00:43:32   it's when he tries to kill quickly that [TS]

00:43:35   it's really right that's yes first real [TS]

00:43:37   revelation is like I'm gonna sing but [TS]

00:43:39   that leads immediately into his eyes and [TS]

00:43:41   that's one long scene he tries to kill [TS]

00:43:43   Ripley after we see the memo that says [TS]

00:43:44   crew expendable [TS]

00:43:46   yeah that's just what we talked about [TS]

00:43:49   how well written and directed and edited [TS]

00:43:51   and shot this movie is it's also got a [TS]

00:43:54   ridiculously incredible cast [TS]

00:43:56   yep yeah this movie was made 37 years [TS]

00:43:59   ago and every human actor in it had a [TS]

00:44:03   great career [TS]

00:44:04   except for Yaphet Kotto they're all [TS]

00:44:06   still working in big properties today [TS]

00:44:08   and avocados heard the right to take [TS]

00:44:10   some time off if he wants like you can't [TS]

00:44:13   just have Harry Dean Stanton and John [TS]

00:44:15   Hurt and homer standing around this [TS]

00:44:17   movie does yeah they're not that [TS]

00:44:18   important well any major starts to go [TS]

00:44:21   any waiver you know you have cool did so [TS]

00:44:24   that just looks like let's talk about [TS]

00:44:25   Sigourney Weaver she is so great as we [TS]

00:44:27   have talked about her a lot partially [TS]

00:44:28   because we've been listening victims the [TS]

00:44:31   final girl she doesn't qualify [TS]

00:44:33   yeah you got your head fake right where [TS]

00:44:34   she's just part of the crew but of [TS]

00:44:36   course she's the one who survives and [TS]

00:44:38   and and dallas has taken fairly quickly [TS]

00:44:40   and it is this and she ends up being the [TS]

00:44:43   one who makes everything happen in this [TS]

00:44:45   in this movie and ends up being I know [TS]

00:44:49   it did make a star of her and you can [TS]

00:44:51   watch it you're like yep [TS]

00:44:52   yeah i mean totally makes sense that [TS]

00:44:53   yeah of course ripley earned her [TS]

00:44:55   survival it's not like she just happens [TS]

00:44:57   to be the last one she was correct so [TS]

00:44:58   awfully out a lot of times in horror [TS]

00:45:01   movies it is just a random girl who [TS]

00:45:02   survives and I really appreciate that [TS]

00:45:04   Ripley was smart and just yet barely [TS]

00:45:08   smart enough to survive and I really [TS]

00:45:10   liked it there wasn't anything [TS]

00:45:11   incredibly like grand in her and what [TS]

00:45:14   she chooses do is just a loss of times [TS]

00:45:16   she makes very small decisions end up [TS]

00:45:18   being the correct ones and it's that [TS]

00:45:20   accumulation of all of them together [TS]

00:45:22   that I her to survive rather than having [TS]

00:45:24   a grand revolution moment of oh and this [TS]

00:45:27   is i will save myself and sat down the [TS]

00:45:30   cat and back away [TS]

00:45:31   come to this decision is here that [TS]

00:45:33   there's a lovely piece of this direction [TS]

00:45:35   as well because you really want is right [TS]

00:45:37   for the last 15 minutes of the movie [TS]

00:45:39   she's the only actor on screen out you [TS]

00:45:41   know apart from the guy in the alien [TS]

00:45:42   sushi carries the whole rest of the [TS]

00:45:44   movie but there is a lovely misdirection [TS]

00:45:47   before that where is just her partner [TS]

00:45:50   and lumber left and she goes off by [TS]

00:45:52   herself looking for the cats looking for [TS]

00:45:54   Jones and Parker Lambert are paired up [TS]

00:45:56   and up until this point the alien is [TS]

00:45:59   only picked off alone people so you know [TS]

00:46:03   you naturally expect that she is gonna [TS]

00:46:05   be the one who buys it next [TS]

00:46:07   so that of course you know she doesn't [TS]

00:46:09   she's busy triggering the third cat [TS]

00:46:10   scare in the movie does like a literal [TS]

00:46:14   cats care less where mystery but i think [TS]

00:46:17   that's a lovely reversal to sort of you [TS]

00:46:19   know again just kind of play with the [TS]

00:46:21   audience's expectations [TS]

00:46:23   although it is a little depressing that [TS]

00:46:24   she sends the two of them off to collect [TS]

00:46:25   coolant which apparently they don't need [TS]

00:46:27   because she takes none of it with her [TS]

00:46:29   onto the shuttle right i wish i would [TS]

00:46:32   have been able to see this not knowing i [TS]

00:46:33   mean we already talked about the chest [TS]

00:46:34   burster see which of course I a new but [TS]

00:46:36   I also didn't I didn't ever see it [TS]

00:46:38   without knowing that sigourney weaver [TS]

00:46:40   was going to survive because you know [TS]

00:46:41   she went on to make the second movie so [TS]

00:46:43   I hadn't even put that together that the [TS]

00:46:46   movie is playing with your expectations [TS]

00:46:47   when she goes off by herself because my [TS]

00:46:50   expectations were always just that she [TS]

00:46:51   would survive so okay good job [TS]

00:46:53   filmmakers a even better than I thought [TS]

00:46:55   but one thing i really like is the [TS]

00:46:57   double back that happens we're so the [TS]

00:47:00   idea is ok there's only three of us left [TS]

00:47:01   we're gonna self-destruct and we're [TS]

00:47:03   going to get out in the shuttle and that [TS]

00:47:06   doesn't go well but yeah but Ripley [TS]

00:47:09   starts to self-destruct which is cool [TS]

00:47:11   nice little bit of of uh of set design [TS]

00:47:17   and and prop design there with the whole [TS]

00:47:19   like it is intricate is so tactile right [TS]

00:47:22   now physical of course in an essential [TS]

00:47:24   part of the self-destruct system is to [TS]

00:47:26   turn on fog machines and strobe lights [TS]

00:47:28   the entire shipment she's she's not just [TS]

00:47:31   flipping switches and you know she's [TS]

00:47:33   actually moving things and pushing [TS]

00:47:34   things and yeah I just pulling things [TS]

00:47:37   out of the ground is wonderful as a lot [TS]

00:47:39   of disco lights to turn on but then but [TS]

00:47:41   then what was great is she finds out [TS]

00:47:43   uh-oh you know here's the they're dead [TS]

00:47:46   the alien is here i love that she goes [TS]

00:47:48   back to try and turn off the [TS]

00:47:49   self-destruct and you get the ticket so [TS]

00:47:51   you don't just get the countdown to [TS]

00:47:52   destroy [TS]

00:47:52   action you get the countdown to when [TS]

00:47:54   it's a replicable that it's going to be [TS]

00:47:57   destroyed and she fails she does she [TS]

00:47:59   doesn't get it so at that point she's [TS]

00:48:00   like I guess I gotta get my cat and get [TS]

00:48:02   out of here i just i love that we get to [TS]

00:48:05   countdowns there and we get the the like [TS]

00:48:07   okay plan a and then planet doesn't work [TS]

00:48:09   she's like all right I guess I'll go [TS]

00:48:10   turn it off [TS]

00:48:11   hope that didn't work either now I'll go [TS]

00:48:13   i love how it's going to definitely [TS]

00:48:15   pissed off she is at that moment too [TS]

00:48:17   soon ashes mother's monitor and then the [TS]

00:48:20   whole way back down the hall towards the [TS]

00:48:22   cat she's screaming and shouting [TS]

00:48:23   obscenities fantastic i love that she [TS]

00:48:26   takes care of the cat during all this [TS]

00:48:28   many lesser hero would have just left [TS]

00:48:30   the poor thing to die but no no she news [TS]

00:48:33   priorities cat lucky [TS]

00:48:34   oh I love the cat throughout i love the [TS]

00:48:36   cat III have this in my notes I went to [TS]

00:48:38   mention we brought up the county few [TS]

00:48:40   times i love the cat i love the first [TS]

00:48:41   time we see the cat where it's like [TS]

00:48:43   there's this bright orange cat on this [TS]

00:48:45   spaceship it's like whoa what is this [TS]

00:48:47   movie like like I I could accept aliens [TS]

00:48:49   bursting out of people's just but people [TS]

00:48:51   just kind of have a cat on the spaceship [TS]

00:48:52   it's great and strange and then they use [TS]

00:48:54   the cat for scares and then she saves [TS]

00:48:57   the cat I love everything about having [TS]

00:48:59   the cat and the cat is a metaphor for [TS]

00:49:01   ripley's humanity [TS]

00:49:03   the cat is Ripley's weakness and if she [TS]

00:49:05   would have let its size you have a much [TS]

00:49:07   better time in the next two movies and [TS]

00:49:10   Liz she does leave it in harm's way if [TS]

00:49:12   you watch the directors cut the [TS]

00:49:13   director's cut has the scene where the [TS]

00:49:15   alien finds the captain like bats [TS]

00:49:18   suicide because it's not arrested which [TS]

00:49:20   thank God they cut out because to me all [TS]

00:49:22   these are free and where were you just [TS]

00:49:24   see the alien creeping up on the cat and [TS]

00:49:26   then it cuts away before you see it [TS]

00:49:28   knock it away is I originally was sure [TS]

00:49:32   that the cat had been implanted with an [TS]

00:49:33   alien in some ride huh [TS]

00:49:36   and that that was going to be that the [TS]

00:49:37   false ending at the end is going to be [TS]

00:49:39   the cat you know looking creepy or maybe [TS]

00:49:41   having something burst out of its chest [TS]

00:49:43   for the sequel alien to an attack [TS]

00:49:46   exactly by the way where does the [TS]

00:49:48   cabbage leaf initially is there a little [TS]

00:49:50   kitty ago [TS]

00:49:52   well yes I hope so that that's that's [TS]

00:49:54   headcanon must be in somebody's pod [TS]

00:49:56   somebody gets hurt [TS]

00:49:58   I think there's a little kitty sleep [TS]

00:49:59   party party [TS]

00:50:01   kitty but what's good everybody gets one [TS]

00:50:03   ship cat that's that's to cut you know [TS]

00:50:06   why it's there and it's to kill its to [TS]

00:50:08   kill all the rats that are on that you [TS]

00:50:10   can hope to be a contributor on it or [TS]

00:50:12   ship dog [TS]

00:50:13   it doesn't have to be a cap any animal [TS]

00:50:15   i'm sure glad I don't know i think they [TS]

00:50:17   have a rodent dog hairs on the Nostromo [TS]

00:50:19   and they need a cat too just to kill [TS]

00:50:20   them to kill the rats on this room space [TS]

00:50:23   rats the ranch save the that's the other [TS]

00:50:26   fantastic reversal in the movie when [TS]

00:50:28   they first go hunting for the alien you [TS]

00:50:31   think that they're still looking for [TS]

00:50:32   something about the size of a rat [TS]

00:50:34   yes I'm going all you've seen is the [TS]

00:50:37   chest poster and they think that [TS]

00:50:38   obviously that is the most groan worthy [TS]

00:50:40   scene in the movie where there's like [TS]

00:50:42   the little puppet that they dragged [TS]

00:50:44   across the floor and strengthen the best [TS]

00:50:47   set to ruin the whole chest / seem to be [TS]

00:50:49   the very first time I saw it because [TS]

00:50:51   that was also explain [TS]

00:50:53   there's this ridiculous little thing [TS]

00:50:54   running across the screen before it [TS]

00:50:56   happened so then we could all laughed [TS]

00:50:58   and I was like okay that's great [TS]

00:51:00   so having seen in the theater in 1979 i [TS]

00:51:02   can tell you that that scene was [TS]

00:51:04   actually surprisingly effective her and [TS]

00:51:07   it was specifically because everybody [TS]

00:51:09   lost their stuff in alien popped out [TS]

00:51:11   right and then words it's across the [TS]

00:51:13   table in that ridiculous fashion its [TS]

00:51:15   comic relief everybody interesting and [TS]

00:51:18   it wasn't like that released english it [TS]

00:51:19   was like oh my god that was hilarious [TS]

00:51:21   and I assume the chest burster had to go [TS]

00:51:24   eat five tons of food to grow into a [TS]

00:51:27   giant monster yeah it really is probably [TS]

00:51:30   the result did people at becoming the [TS]

00:51:32   part of the first one it it just ate [TS]

00:51:36   john hurt from the inside that was just [TS]

00:51:38   an its boundary well the food stores ya [TS]

00:51:41   na Jeong kzg9r okay yeah acid is for it [TS]

00:51:45   so it can eat metal [TS]

00:51:46   so something I'll never forget it i was [TS]

00:51:48   eating ship wraps [TS]

00:51:49   that's why Jones began after it they [TS]

00:51:51   were actually hunting together initially [TS]

00:51:52   I want to put out a word for that for [TS]

00:51:54   that scene 2 because that's one of my [TS]

00:51:55   very favorite scenes at six weeks with [TS]

00:51:57   me from this movie is when the acid [TS]

00:51:58   burns through the decks and they and [TS]

00:52:01   they check how far down the acid goes [TS]

00:52:03   and and they like put the like little [TS]

00:52:05   little pride or pencil or whatever then [TS]

00:52:07   and end it end it and it smokes on the [TS]

00:52:10   tip because of this acid and it's like I [TS]

00:52:12   love that that's so creepy like [TS]

00:52:14   oh it's asking how bad is it well how [TS]

00:52:16   far down did it burn all the way down [TS]

00:52:19   it's a very bad i love that because they [TS]

00:52:20   don't even do anything with it in this [TS]

00:52:22   movie stressed no no just so you know [TS]

00:52:24   you can't cut into it was made of asking [TS]

00:52:26   what they do because that's that's why [TS]

00:52:27   they can't remove the facehugger off of [TS]

00:52:29   Cain [TS]

00:52:30   well yeah but that that's just one [TS]

00:52:31   moment they could have found another [TS]

00:52:32   reason for that but they don't expand on [TS]

00:52:35   that until the next movie when it starts [TS]

00:52:37   mattering a lot it does also serve that [TS]

00:52:39   scene however to emphasize the size of [TS]

00:52:41   the ship yes because you know like a [TS]

00:52:43   doctor who episode they are using the [TS]

00:52:45   same corridor again and again and again [TS]

00:52:47   with different lighting i feel i should [TS]

00:52:49   point out this moment that these [TS]

00:52:50   corridors that we see here were in fact [TS]

00:52:52   we use in Doctor Who story really [TS]

00:52:54   of course leeward what what no i want to [TS]

00:52:57   know this doctor who trivia now tool is [TS]

00:52:59   pleased at peter davison story terminus [TS]

00:53:02   uses alien set [TS]

00:53:04   Wow no well if it was a peter davison 1 [TS]

00:53:07   i've seen that I think the corridors [TS]

00:53:09   look exactly like the line to space [TS]

00:53:11   mountain [TS]

00:53:11   we've got that same way about the [TS]

00:53:15   warning first waste space mountain the [TS]

00:53:18   when you land in 1979 strangely enough [TS]

00:53:21   that's what the future looks like to me [TS]

00:53:23   is tomorrow land of 1979 [TS]

00:53:26   yeah yeah but always my favorite one is [TS]

00:53:28   to entertain my favorite thing about [TS]

00:53:30   that acid scene is when Dallas hands the [TS]

00:53:33   pen that he borrowed from branded him [TS]

00:53:35   and he's looking at this biz pen that [TS]

00:53:37   smoking and drinking and cooking you [TS]

00:53:40   breakfast my pen do good [TS]

00:53:42   it looks like it looks just irritated [TS]

00:53:45   you and he's already concerned about his [TS]

00:53:46   bonus because pens are very expensive [TS]

00:53:48   it's not like you can go to the pet shop [TS]

00:53:50   he's in deep space but he's probably got [TS]

00:53:53   one pin yeah how many pens they can't [TS]

00:53:54   run out to the to the staples to buy [TS]

00:53:56   more band you gotta get one of those [TS]

00:53:57   fancy space pens [TS]

00:53:59   Eric I think technically all pens or [TS]

00:54:01   space pens when they're in space like [TS]

00:54:04   how many become space money and all [TS]

00:54:05   everything else becomes space whatever [TS]

00:54:07   work [TS]

00:54:07   westerville space are they still append [TS]

00:54:09   that's true who makes you think actually [TS]

00:54:12   talking about space technology one of [TS]

00:54:14   the things that always always bugged me [TS]

00:54:16   about this was a a how easily they [TS]

00:54:19   design the motion trackers like that [TS]

00:54:21   really is just kind of hand wave him [TS]

00:54:23   just skipped right over that [TS]

00:54:25   but not only that but then somehow some [TS]

00:54:29   point like in between Dallas is death [TS]

00:54:31   and the rest of the movie the motion [TS]

00:54:33   trackers suddenly get massively upgrade [TS]

00:54:35   is from we're gonna buzz when something [TS]

00:54:37   moves to go now we've got a grid with [TS]

00:54:39   dr. that show position isn't it beeps [TS]

00:54:41   and there's no explanation for that all [TS]

00:54:44   wrapped up the tench and sure but like [TS]

00:54:48   this why not start with them like that [TS]

00:54:49   to start with you know it's right it's [TS]

00:54:51   not [TS]

00:54:51   oh I can't think of any good headcanon [TS]

00:54:53   to explain that that's annoying [TS]

00:54:55   I all I can it's a day the mother linked [TS]

00:54:59   all of the motion sensors on the ship [TS]

00:55:00   together and they were tied into that at [TS]

00:55:02   the end mother did it's like a wizard [TS]

00:55:03   with a comb-over [TS]

00:55:05   yeah my mother's not very helpful tho [TS]

00:55:08   bad another we don't yet know how [TS]

00:55:10   powerful that machine is because she's [TS]

00:55:12   got so many lights and even though the [TS]

00:55:15   monitor is about 13 inches across you [TS]

00:55:17   still have to sit about 10 feet away [TS]

00:55:19   from him according to use it it's just [TS]

00:55:21   that powerful and you have to get in a [TS]

00:55:23   chair that revolves rather than just [TS]

00:55:25   stepping into a chair that's facing her [TS]

00:55:27   to start with I'd never just about the [TS]

00:55:30   better to appreciate the 360 degree [TS]

00:55:31   light show [TS]

00:55:32   yeah but it looks great so the last [TS]

00:55:36   scene so she gets on the she goes back [TS]

00:55:38   to does the double back she and a CAD [TS]

00:55:40   get on the shuttle and this is where we [TS]

00:55:42   get that second ending right the false [TS]

00:55:44   ending the Nostromo has exploded [TS]

00:55:46   she's gonna owe it's all over whoo that [TS]

00:55:49   was a close one lose three times while [TS]

00:55:51   unless it's simple it's got different [TS]

00:55:53   parts that explode slightly different [TS]

00:55:55   times I guess explode surprisingly [TS]

00:55:57   loudly considering that it's in space [TS]

00:56:00   people who you explode they just gave [TS]

00:56:01   you can hear you scream but you can hear [TS]

00:56:04   every other sound I don't normally [TS]

00:56:06   object to that but if you make it their [TS]

00:56:07   tagline I feel and the last explosion [TS]

00:56:12   has like the 2001 slits counterfeit yes [TS]

00:56:15   of course very strange [TS]

00:56:17   we're done we're done she's safe it's [TS]

00:56:19   all okay Freddie's dead i should i want [TS]

00:56:22   to point out that the false ending here [TS]

00:56:24   is unfortunately probably the one thing [TS]

00:56:27   that I don't think works very well [TS]

00:56:28   because there's no doubt as she's [TS]

00:56:31   leisurely taking off her clothes and [TS]

00:56:33   getting prepared for her long space [TS]

00:56:34   journey that something else is yet see [TS]

00:56:36   it yeah seems a weird [TS]

00:56:37   meet in the middle and then she took off [TS]

00:56:39   her clothes and went in a pod the end [TS]

00:56:42   ok when I was 11 years old I totally [TS]

00:56:45   bought it I got shocked [TS]

00:56:47   yeah when I was when I first saw this I [TS]

00:56:49   remember thinking that they seen the [TS]

00:56:51   revelation of the alien was you know [TS]

00:56:52   hiding in plain sight was the most [TS]

00:56:54   awesome thing I had ever seen in my life [TS]

00:56:57   just absolutely incredible blew my mind [TS]

00:57:01   I loved it to bits [TS]

00:57:02   now I watching I think how would there [TS]

00:57:04   be a bit gap big enough for him to fit [TS]

00:57:07   in but at the time at the time I loved [TS]

00:57:10   it [TS]

00:57:10   well in such convenient proximity to all [TS]

00:57:12   those five machines that can be used to [TS]

00:57:14   collect yeah I love that scene but but [TS]

00:57:17   just use point my feeling is something [TS]

00:57:19   has to be it doesn't feel like the the [TS]

00:57:21   end of a movie right it doesn't feel [TS]

00:57:23   like what about what to fake me out you [TS]

00:57:25   need to make it feel like the credits [TS]

00:57:26   are going to roll at any moment and then [TS]

00:57:28   they don't and that didn't happen here [TS]

00:57:30   where it's like boy it seems like we're [TS]

00:57:31   waiting around a long time I guess [TS]

00:57:33   something else is gonna happen even in [TS]

00:57:35   79 that the fake ending was a trope I [TS]

00:57:37   mean Carrie was 1976 and that was done [TS]

00:57:40   better than this and they could vary i [TS]

00:57:42   think they feel like they could very [TS]

00:57:43   easily have made this work a little [TS]

00:57:45   better by having her sit down and do her [TS]

00:57:47   final transmission that sheet that they [TS]

00:57:49   say for the end of the movie have her [TS]

00:57:51   start that you've got a reason for her [TS]

00:57:54   to be still on the ship but rather than [TS]

00:57:56   flashing panties [TS]

00:57:57   yeah she's coming not that I'm [TS]

00:57:59   complaining about that necessarily mean [TS]

00:58:02   you know receiving was a lovely woman [TS]

00:58:03   but a tease that's a real shame for me [TS]

00:58:06   because that is kind of the only thing [TS]

00:58:07   that really sort of spoils and dates the [TS]

00:58:10   movie for me it's just the completely [TS]

00:58:12   gratuitous underwear shots [TS]

00:58:15   yeah especially in comparison to the [TS]

00:58:16   style of the underwear that all the [TS]

00:58:18   dudes are wearing very like just workmen [TS]

00:58:21   like just white underwear and that i [TS]

00:58:25   love the fact that many characters were [TS]

00:58:27   all written so they could easily be [TS]

00:58:28   gender swap and that comes across in the [TS]

00:58:30   script very well all the characters just [TS]

00:58:31   relate to each other as people and yet [TS]

00:58:33   the costuming is so vastly different it [TS]

00:58:36   doesn't seem like they would have that [TS]

00:58:38   different of under clothes for for each [TS]

00:58:41   person when it comes to the women there [TS]

00:58:43   was a huge fabric shortage because it's [TS]

00:58:45   the future and well as what we had to do [TS]

00:58:47   Kane seems like the kind of guy who [TS]

00:58:48   would be wearing boring underwear [TS]

00:58:49   though I thought the one thing i do love [TS]

00:58:51   about the fact that I mean there are [TS]

00:58:53   many things i love but one thing I [TS]

00:58:54   really love about the fact the Ripley is [TS]

00:58:56   the one who survives is that she is the [TS]

00:58:58   only member of the crew who tries to [TS]

00:59:02   outsmart the alien rather than taking on [TS]

00:59:05   toto like everyone well I mean lumber [TS]

00:59:07   just tries to you know Escape and run [TS]

00:59:09   but all of the men try and take it on [TS]

00:59:12   there like I'm gonna kill that thing we [TS]

00:59:15   can take it out let's flush out the [TS]

00:59:16   airlock I'll kill it with a flamethrower [TS]

00:59:18   whatever and of course all complete felt [TS]

00:59:20   she's the only one who tries to out [TS]

00:59:22   think it and think how can we how can we [TS]

00:59:25   escape how can we get away from it [TS]

00:59:26   rather than try to actually kill it yet [TS]

00:59:29   is a little weird that she strips down [TS]

00:59:30   there although there is sort of a point [TS]

00:59:32   to it which is to make her even more [TS]

00:59:33   vulnerable [TS]

00:59:34   I'm not sure it's necessary because [TS]

00:59:36   she's already so underpowered compared [TS]

00:59:38   to the alien they've already shown that [TS]

00:59:39   even you somebody armed with a [TS]

00:59:41   flamethrower is vulnerable so yeah but [TS]

00:59:44   it's kind of like those thoughts you [TS]

00:59:45   have sometimes when you go in and use [TS]

00:59:46   the restroom and you're like this would [TS]

00:59:48   be a really bad place for a serial [TS]

00:59:49   killer to pop up there [TS]

00:59:51   yeah cuz i think that all the time [TS]

00:59:52   you've never had that that perfect i [TS]

00:59:55   will now you don't go to the same rest [TS]

00:59:57   stop slavery yeah this is [TS]

00:59:57   stop slavery yeah this is [TS]

01:00:00   so I don't watch / movies because that's [TS]

01:00:02   what would happen every day [TS]

01:00:03   yeah i would not have had a problem with [TS]

01:00:05   her in her underwear if it would have [TS]

01:00:07   been more like you know just a t-shirt [TS]

01:00:10   or a wife beater top and some you know [TS]

01:00:12   like boy shorts or something like that [TS]

01:00:14   because I mean those little bikini [TS]

01:00:16   underwear I worn underwear like that and [TS]

01:00:18   that they can be comfortable enough but [TS]

01:00:20   underneath you know work suits in [TS]

01:00:22   spacesuits and all that kind of stuff I [TS]

01:00:24   feel like probably not the most [TS]

01:00:26   appropriate choice a one-piece jumpsuit [TS]

01:00:29   probably made out of polyester yeah i [TS]

01:00:32   mean honestly if she had been wearing [TS]

01:00:33   something that was pretty much exactly [TS]

01:00:35   the same as what John Hurt was wearing [TS]

01:00:37   only just tailored for her slightly [TS]

01:00:38   curvy or form i think it would have been [TS]

01:00:40   every bit as sexy and would have made a [TS]

01:00:43   lot more sense [TS]

01:00:44   personally I would have advised against [TS]

01:00:46   the use of chuck taylors as work boots [TS]

01:00:48   which we do see what we're doing isn't a [TS]

01:00:50   mission for the style over substance [TS]

01:00:52   maybe some steel toes i think it's [TS]

01:00:54   interesting that Sigourney was cast as [TS]

01:00:58   this character because you kind of want [TS]

01:01:00   her to be vulnerable and she is [TS]

01:01:02   vulnerable but security is pretty tall [TS]

01:01:04   like even when she's hanging around with [TS]

01:01:07   the cast you can tell she's taller than [TS]

01:01:08   a lot of the guy [TS]

01:01:09   yeah well Veronica Cartwright was [TS]

01:01:11   originally going to play rippling yeah [TS]

01:01:12   and she would fit that she's much more [TS]

01:01:14   sort of physically more you know less [TS]

01:01:16   imposing more vulnerable [TS]

01:01:18   yeah I'm and I'm glasses she's no I'm [TS]

01:01:20   glad I'm glad we forgot the exiting [TS]

01:01:22   that's something that when i noticed [TS]

01:01:23   when i noticed the past old woman and [TS]

01:01:26   they're not afraid to show how tall that [TS]

01:01:27   one actually is this a lot in gosh there [TS]

01:01:30   nor Wales the librarians we've cast era [TS]

01:01:33   beckham asian is is the leading that and [TS]

01:01:37   she's very tall and they don't try to [TS]

01:01:39   disguise the fact she's much taller than [TS]

01:01:41   the men and i love that here as well [TS]

01:01:43   because it's it's just it's just one of [TS]

01:01:45   those things that television does all [TS]

01:01:47   the time so you get this idea that women [TS]

01:01:49   are small and therefore physically [TS]

01:01:52   weaker his computer so when we get a [TS]

01:01:54   woman who is actually tall and powerful [TS]

01:01:58   you know that's that's an important [TS]

01:02:00   symbol at least to me and I also think [TS]

01:02:02   it would be a shame if Veronica [TS]

01:02:04   Cartwright was not playing Lambert [TS]

01:02:06   because she is magnificent i know she [TS]

01:02:08   was not a fan of how I guess you [TS]

01:02:10   characterize the character is [TS]

01:02:11   emotionally weak but I think she [TS]

01:02:13   is perfect because she's the only one of [TS]

01:02:15   the crew who is acting in a realistic [TS]

01:02:17   fashion to the situation there has been [TS]

01:02:19   yeah just completely Wiggin out and [TS]

01:02:21   she's magnificent added I mean [TS]

01:02:23   she'sshe's she is not running out of her [TS]

01:02:26   no citizen [TS]

01:02:27   yeah and she's not wrong she has the [TS]

01:02:30   most extreme reaction to the chest [TS]

01:02:32   burster as well and that's one of the [TS]

01:02:33   case she was one of the people who had [TS]

01:02:35   no idea who didn't know it was going to [TS]

01:02:36   be as bloody as all that right at one [TS]

01:02:38   extreme they were gonna go to and so her [TS]

01:02:40   reaction when she saw freaks and you [TS]

01:02:42   know it is just like waving her hands [TS]

01:02:44   around having hysterics that's genuine [TS]

01:02:45   that's really is a kind of an unscripted [TS]

01:02:48   reaction Cartwright's comments but [TS]

01:02:51   they're all I think I'm very sympathetic [TS]

01:02:52   that mean is it's a powerpoint and movie [TS]

01:02:54   like this how many times is it at a [TS]

01:02:57   horror movie where the person who is [TS]

01:02:59   freaking out the most who's the one who [TS]

01:03:00   is crying and shrieking with destruction [TS]

01:03:02   forever if it's gonna be realistic [TS]

01:03:04   how many times is that guy how many [TS]

01:03:05   times a woman and it's overwhelmingly is [TS]

01:03:07   gonna be a woman can I direct you to [TS]

01:03:09   aliens where it is a guy yeah yeah I but [TS]

01:03:13   him but you have to admit that's in the [TS]

01:03:14   minority men generally speaking for the [TS]

01:03:18   other hand I really i do love her [TS]

01:03:20   performance and I love her character and [TS]

01:03:22   yet as you said she's the one who's to [TS]

01:03:25   me most identifiable for the for the [TS]

01:03:27   audience because for me because that is [TS]

01:03:30   how i would act in that situation so [TS]

01:03:32   she's also you know she's the audience [TS]

01:03:34   identify so it's it's one of those [TS]

01:03:36   things where I can totally understand [TS]

01:03:38   where their criticisms coming from was [TS]

01:03:39   also i'm more on the fence about it [TS]

01:03:42   because i really really like her right [TS]

01:03:45   she's cheese if not put in this [TS]

01:03:48   situation she also is a tough person I [TS]

01:03:50   mean you can sort of sense it from her [TS]

01:03:52   sort of smartass comments about no great [TS]

01:03:55   we're gonna go on the planet and that [TS]

01:03:57   it's not our system and she I know that [TS]

01:03:59   under breath I know that and there's [TS]

01:04:02   there's actually i think a deleted scene [TS]

01:04:03   that I that shows up in the director's [TS]

01:04:05   cut that I think they would have been [TS]

01:04:07   well served to keep in where when when [TS]

01:04:11   Ripley comes down to see how can is [TS]

01:04:13   doing after they finally let him into [TS]

01:04:15   the ship she comes up to Ripley and [TS]

01:04:17   smacks your heart and in there ready to [TS]

01:04:19   fight oh yeah yeah and it's it's it's a [TS]

01:04:22   really good fight scene i mean it's it's [TS]

01:04:24   visceral it looks like she's genuinely [TS]

01:04:26   pissed and you get a sense of how [TS]

01:04:27   tougher character actually is from that [TS]

01:04:30   so that's one of the few where I think [TS]

01:04:31   maybe they would if they would have been [TS]

01:04:33   well served to keep that in although [TS]

01:04:35   there again I mean that saying has a bit [TS]

01:04:36   of complexity because yes strong [TS]

01:04:38   character but why she's slapping Ripley [TS]

01:04:40   because Ripley didn't want to let came [TS]

01:04:44   back inside the ship so it's kind of [TS]

01:04:46   strength because of empathy and weakness [TS]

01:04:50   so yeah again I'm sure you necessarily [TS]

01:04:53   want to tie empathy and weakness [TS]

01:04:54   together well but you know better if [TS]

01:04:57   we're just talking sort of in terms of [TS]

01:04:58   pure character stuff i just think it is [TS]

01:05:01   good it makes for a more complex [TS]

01:05:02   character which she is and it would be [TS]

01:05:05   very easy for her to have just been the [TS]

01:05:07   scream queen of the movie and I think [TS]

01:05:09   yes she clearly does much more than that [TS]

01:05:11   in the role her reaction to that empathy [TS]

01:05:13   is not to you know Stu and didn't make a [TS]

01:05:16   little side long comment she smacks [TS]

01:05:18   Ripley heard its two components ready to [TS]

01:05:20   kill her [TS]

01:05:21   it's so good this movie i just i love it [TS]

01:05:24   so much so so many things about it I [TS]

01:05:25   haven't even covered half of my notes [TS]

01:05:27   but yeah well this is that this is your [TS]

01:05:29   chance this is the we you know she's [TS]

01:05:31   going out today so she yeah well i mean [TS]

01:05:33   i can tell you what happens at the end [TS]

01:05:34   which is she basically fires a grappling [TS]

01:05:37   hook at the thing and and blows it out [TS]

01:05:39   the door but oh no it's still let the [TS]

01:05:41   end because it if it sticks in the like [TS]

01:05:44   the doorway so then she has to turn on [TS]

01:05:45   the engines and like Senate if it's the [TS]

01:05:47   biggest flamethrower she's got left and [TS]

01:05:50   that's the last moment that she she has [TS]

01:05:52   with the alien and then she can just go [TS]

01:05:56   with the cat into the stasis pod and [TS]

01:05:58   that's the actual end of the movie and [TS]

01:06:00   should reach the frontier in six weeks [TS]

01:06:02   yeah yeah it's gonna be fine everyone [TS]

01:06:04   good luck gonna be mine [TS]

01:06:07   I like that they don't milk that second [TS]

01:06:09   false ending it's not like oh no the [TS]

01:06:11   alien is floating in space and it's [TS]

01:06:13   gonna claw its way into the ship knows [TS]

01:06:14   seconds later she couldn't have engines [TS]

01:06:17   Mac I actually kind of wish that they [TS]

01:06:19   didn't have I mean the voice-over at the [TS]

01:06:21   end is good it's fine you know it's not [TS]

01:06:23   sort of an offensive voiceover like [TS]

01:06:25   later or something haha [TS]

01:06:27   alright disagree with you but I almost [TS]

01:06:29   wish that they didn't do it because [TS]

01:06:30   that's the only dialogue for like the [TS]

01:06:33   last 10 minutes of the movie and the [TS]

01:06:35   movie starts with almost 10 minutes of [TS]

01:06:38   complete lighting not silence but no [TS]

01:06:41   dialogue [TS]

01:06:41   it's almost seven minutes into the movie [TS]

01:06:44   before anybody speaks at all like any [TS]

01:06:48   human sounds at all and it's longer than [TS]

01:06:50   that at the end of the movie or would be [TS]

01:06:52   if she didn't you know do the Captain's [TS]

01:06:54   Log thing so I was just kind of a shame [TS]

01:06:56   that there isn't that symmetry I think [TS]

01:06:58   what it is you know it is still a good [TS]

01:06:59   speech I i can if you're looking at i [TS]

01:07:01   need the end because I I need some I [TS]

01:07:04   need a good [TS]

01:07:05   I you know be as subtle as you like all [TS]

01:07:07   through the movie no animals you have to [TS]

01:07:10   do that but give me an anvil issues [TS]

01:07:11   conclusion ok slap their animal down [TS]

01:07:13   there getting offensive closure that's [TS]

01:07:15   what I need [TS]

01:07:16   so for for for me that was that was [TS]

01:07:19   something cool actually liked Steve's [TS]

01:07:21   idea of veggie that she says that she [TS]

01:07:23   filed her report at the beginning and [TS]

01:07:26   then discovers that the alien is there [TS]

01:07:28   and then at the end after she killed the [TS]

01:07:29   alien maybe she just press the send [TS]

01:07:31   button like done let's go [TS]

01:07:33   yeah I hadn't really thought about it [TS]

01:07:35   but if you're thinking in terms of [TS]

01:07:37   symmetry maybe you can forgive that [TS]

01:07:39   false ending for being because it's just [TS]

01:07:41   her being silent in the ship briefly she [TS]

01:07:43   talks to the cat but otherwise she just [TS]

01:07:45   cruising around so that is sort of [TS]

01:07:46   similar to the beginning of the film [TS]

01:07:47   again in that respect I i think the time [TS]

01:07:50   where I ask anybody have anything we [TS]

01:07:52   haven't covered the day that you'd like [TS]

01:07:54   to mention those but there was one thing [TS]

01:07:55   that I just wanted to say about the the [TS]

01:07:58   first kill [TS]

01:07:59   seems we're talking about pacing earlier [TS]

01:08:00   that seemed takes minutes minutes [TS]

01:08:05   minutes of screen time leading up to you [TS]

01:08:07   know when Brett's looking for the cat [TS]

01:08:09   well it starts with like three of them [TS]

01:08:10   looking for the catalyst and break off [TS]

01:08:12   by himself and you get if you listen to [TS]

01:08:15   I mean it's really well directed well [TS]

01:08:17   staged it takes ages that are so many [TS]

01:08:19   false you know sort of false beats where [TS]

01:08:23   you think this is where it's gonna die [TS]

01:08:24   but he doesn't you know and then you [TS]

01:08:25   know this is really gonna die any [TS]

01:08:27   doesn't and but if you listen to the [TS]

01:08:29   sound design of that it's amazing they [TS]

01:08:32   combine all these mechanical sounds more [TS]

01:08:35   minutes it sounds like like air [TS]

01:08:37   conditioning all sort of [TS]

01:08:38   fans another minute so I've suddenly [TS]

01:08:41   sounds like a heartbeat pounding and [TS]

01:08:44   then it will become something else yes i [TS]

01:08:46   want to mention that as well that's [TS]

01:08:47   whenever there's a kill seen they're [TS]

01:08:49   almost always in a section of the ship [TS]

01:08:50   where they're close to what I assume is [TS]

01:08:52   some piece of the engine equipment [TS]

01:08:53   because there's that from that sounds [TS]

01:08:56   for all the world like a like a [TS]

01:08:57   heartbeat when it's muffled and it [TS]

01:08:59   happens for I think every single kill [TS]

01:09:01   seen there may be one or two that are [TS]

01:09:02   different but I don't know who did the [TS]

01:09:04   sound design but whoever did you know [TS]

01:09:06   should have won an award as well because [TS]

01:09:07   the eighties when it's extraordinary [TS]

01:09:09   throughout the whole movie but that [TS]

01:09:11   particular scene really stands out to me [TS]

01:09:12   because there is no dialogue because it [TS]

01:09:14   is just Brett walking through areas of [TS]

01:09:17   the ship on his own going here kitty [TS]

01:09:20   kitty [TS]

01:09:21   and you know and that's it and so all [TS]

01:09:23   you've got and there's no music either [TS]

01:09:24   it's all just sound design not music so [TS]

01:09:27   you go back in and watch that again and [TS]

01:09:29   really pay attention to what you're [TS]

01:09:30   listening to and it really kind of plays [TS]

01:09:33   with you and directs your emotions and [TS]

01:09:35   the anticipation you have because you [TS]

01:09:37   know that's what he's gonna cock it you [TS]

01:09:38   know you know this is the moment he's [TS]

01:09:40   gonna die and it really plays with your [TS]

01:09:42   expectations while the sound team won [TS]

01:09:44   the bafta for best sound 0 did they are [TS]

01:09:48   excellent so there are no worries [TS]

01:09:50   so what we Brits appreciated the crap [TS]

01:09:52   yeah I was going to mention that because [TS]

01:09:54   that is great and I was also going to [TS]

01:09:56   mention the Goldsmith score which I [TS]

01:09:57   really love [TS]

01:09:58   no yeah it's it's it's interesting that [TS]

01:10:00   he composed an entirely almost entirely [TS]

01:10:03   separate scorps it was mostly more [TS]

01:10:04   traditional almost 2001 ask classical [TS]

01:10:08   music and Ridley Scott I guess chopped [TS]

01:10:11   all the hell and replaced a bunch of it [TS]

01:10:13   was stuff from previous scores that he [TS]

01:10:14   done and and I think it's great i love [TS]

01:10:18   the the sort of earrings particularly in [TS]

01:10:20   the opening when the letters are [TS]

01:10:21   appearing on the screen and it's just [TS]

01:10:22   like that sort of feedback almost more [TS]

01:10:25   than actual score [TS]

01:10:27   yeah the whole opening sequences so [TS]

01:10:30   iconic you know and it's to the point [TS]

01:10:33   where it's one of those things that [TS]

01:10:34   hasn't been copied and wasn't [TS]

01:10:37   influential because it's so distinct and [TS]

01:10:39   so iconic you can't do it without [TS]

01:10:42   everybody going on it's alien [TS]

01:10:43   it's so recognizable it's of England I [TS]

01:10:46   love it it's so welcome i wanted to [TS]

01:10:48   recommend a couple other movies to show [TS]

01:10:51   where alien came [TS]

01:10:52   from in 1974 John Carpenter directed his [TS]

01:10:55   first feature length film dark star [TS]

01:10:58   which is fun it's super super cheap and [TS]

01:11:03   the important part is that it's [TS]

01:11:04   basically three different stories and [TS]

01:11:06   one of them is alien butt done worse cuz [TS]

01:11:10   Ridley Scott is better visuals and the [TS]

01:11:13   screenplay was by dan o'bannon and after [TS]

01:11:16   dark star came out crazy visionary [TS]

01:11:19   director alejandro jodorowsky whose name [TS]

01:11:22   I'm probably not probably correctly was [TS]

01:11:23   going to [TS]

01:11:24   yeah he was going to make a movie of [TS]

01:11:26   dune oh I wish the documentary thing to [TS]

01:11:30   guess when him he was different [TS]

01:11:34   yeah the boat the other movie i'm [TS]

01:11:36   recommending is the movie yer oskis do [TS]

01:11:39   now which explains the movie he would [TS]

01:11:42   have made which was crazy it would have [TS]

01:11:44   been 18 hours long and have people of [TS]

01:11:47   space sperm and all sorts of things i [TS]

01:11:49   recommend Jodorowsky's holy mountain if [TS]

01:11:51   you want an idea of what it might have [TS]

01:11:53   looked like yeah I like your house key [TS]

01:11:56   much more after watching your house keys [TS]

01:11:58   dude because he seems so normal in it [TS]

01:12:00   and after just watching movies i thought [TS]

01:12:02   this is a crazy man crazy and have [TS]

01:12:04   something relatively friends yeah he's [TS]

01:12:07   quite nice is all it's just like I don't [TS]

01:12:09   want to watch your movie [TS]

01:12:10   I'm not terrified and here you have you [TS]

01:12:14   read any of these graphic novels that he [TS]

01:12:16   is a crazy crazy man yeah but for doing [TS]

01:12:19   he put together a team that was dan [TS]

01:12:21   o'bannon to do the special effects and [TS]

01:12:23   for visual concepts Mobius and HR geeker [TS]

01:12:27   sir [TS]

01:12:27   and when his movie fell apart some of [TS]

01:12:30   them went off and kind of coalesced [TS]

01:12:33   towards alien and that's why you have a [TS]

01:12:35   demo band story and HR giger designs [TS]

01:12:38   some of which had been originally made [TS]

01:12:40   for doing if you are familiar with alien [TS]

01:12:43   and dude you may wonder where those [TS]

01:12:45   images would have showed up the answer [TS]

01:12:48   is everywhere [TS]

01:12:49   I'm really glad that they went with [TS]

01:12:51   Geiger rather than Mobius though because [TS]

01:12:52   i love Mobius you know I love him as an [TS]

01:12:55   as an artist [TS]

01:12:56   and as a graphic novelist but an alien [TS]

01:12:59   designed by Mobius rather than Geiger [TS]

01:13:04   would have been so so different and i'm [TS]

01:13:06   just not sure it would have had the same [TS]

01:13:07   impact that this movie did I feel like [TS]

01:13:09   you needed someone crazy like your house [TS]

01:13:12   key to look at gieger and say you should [TS]

01:13:14   work on movies and then get him far [TS]

01:13:17   enough into the system so that Ridley [TS]

01:13:19   Scott could say yeah we can work on that [TS]

01:13:22   you're gonna have to redo a lot of these [TS]

01:13:24   to make them less explicit including the [TS]

01:13:27   painting that actually influence the [TS]

01:13:29   alien design itself which is just ease [TS]

01:13:32   the alien you look at it and its light [TS]

01:13:33   will okay if we just remove the giant [TS]

01:13:35   penis he sees gonna know there's a whole [TS]

01:13:39   lot of elements of violation in this [TS]

01:13:40   obviously the implantation by the embryo [TS]

01:13:42   there's the very phallic scene of ash [TS]

01:13:45   trying to choke Ripley other newspaper [TS]

01:13:47   which happens right in front of a bunch [TS]

01:13:48   of nudie pics that are pasted to the [TS]

01:13:50   wall true i mean they aren't they are [TS]

01:13:52   really shy about the sexual i think the [TS]

01:13:54   magazine himself that he rolls up might [TS]

01:13:56   be a nudie mag probably quite like we [TS]

01:13:59   didn't really talk about it but gers [TS]

01:14:00   design is such an essential part of the [TS]

01:14:03   whole movie you can't get bigger without [TS]

01:14:05   getting penis yes but not right but you [TS]

01:14:08   would have this was saying you wouldn't [TS]

01:14:10   have alien I don't think without Tigers [TS]

01:14:13   designs because I just don't think [TS]

01:14:14   anybody I don't think any other design [TS]

01:14:17   would have been so radical lighting and [TS]

01:14:20   it's hard to think now be nice sometime [TS]

01:14:22   this was a radical design at all [TS]

01:14:25   a4a sci-fi alien creature and I don't [TS]

01:14:28   think any other conceptual artist [TS]

01:14:30   working at that time would have come up [TS]

01:14:32   with something quite so innovative [TS]

01:14:35   unusual and simultaneously horrifying [TS]

01:14:38   and disturbing but yeah it's chris stuff [TS]

01:14:41   i want to mention you mentioned uh the [TS]

01:14:45   general Smith score and I would just [TS]

01:14:47   mention this is the same year that he [TS]

01:14:49   did the Star Trek the motion picture [TS]

01:14:50   score that's right wow there's a lot [TS]

01:14:53   going on there he also scored outland [TS]

01:14:55   which I wanted to mention because it's [TS]

01:14:56   got a similar vibe to it it's high noon [TS]

01:14:58   and [TS]

01:14:59   based on yeah but that's a that's pure [TS]

01:15:01   hi our behinds directed and sean [TS]

01:15:03   connery's and that it literally is high [TS]

01:15:05   noon except on Saturn the moons of [TS]

01:15:09   Saturn it's it's a mining colony yeah [TS]

01:15:11   it's it's a it's really good and weird [TS]

01:15:13   but it has a similar vibe to this except [TS]

01:15:16   of course they're the the monsters are [TS]

01:15:19   us because that's what spoilers for [TS]

01:15:22   outland chasing monsters are us in this [TS]

01:15:24   to that's the whole reason they get sent [TS]

01:15:26   down to that planet suppose that's true [TS]

01:15:27   you're right Steve Martin corporate [TS]

01:15:28   masters yeah a couple of quick notes i [TS]

01:15:30   wanted to get too i love the fact that [TS]

01:15:32   what they're flying in is a commercial [TS]

01:15:34   towing vehicle because it really adds to [TS]

01:15:37   the whole this is a really unglamorous [TS]

01:15:38   kinds of people aspect of things [TS]

01:15:41   yeah well in the design of it again is [TS]

01:15:42   so it's like it's not streamlined in any [TS]

01:15:45   notes utilitarian sort of yeah on [TS]

01:15:47   aerodynamic industrial bulky and [TS]

01:15:49   workmanlike there's no there's no [TS]

01:15:51   paucity in this movie I think that's [TS]

01:15:53   what separates it from a lot of sci-fi [TS]

01:15:55   the game before is there's no campus or [TS]

01:15:58   pomposity about it i really like the [TS]

01:16:01   scene where there's there's there's a [TS]

01:16:02   setup scene where Parker and bread or [TS]

01:16:04   down in the bowels of the ship and [TS]

01:16:05   they're complaining about their bonuses [TS]

01:16:07   and they keep saying why do they never [TS]

01:16:08   come down here and then later when [TS]

01:16:10   Ripley decided she's going to come down [TS]

01:16:12   to expect the damage from inspect the [TS]

01:16:13   damage from the landing this hey what [TS]

01:16:15   the hell is she coming down here for her [TS]

01:16:18   yep don't worry right you'll get [TS]

01:16:21   whatever is going to that's right Amen [TS]

01:16:23   he does i love the set design on the [TS]

01:16:26   maintenance areas that Brett goes [TS]

01:16:27   through my talked about that already but [TS]

01:16:29   i like the fact that they have indoor [TS]

01:16:30   rain and for no apparent reason she's [TS]

01:16:33   from the cooling systems yeah it's it's [TS]

01:16:35   just it's condensation but he takes he [TS]

01:16:37   takes a moment to take off his hat and [TS]

01:16:39   enjoy the indoor range before he sets [TS]

01:16:41   off to find the cat she's probably his [TS]

01:16:43   own recycled sweat Ridley Scott early on [TS]

01:16:46   said I like fog and rain we're gonna put [TS]

01:16:48   it everywhere and I like chains banging [TS]

01:16:50   into each other we need some chains [TS]

01:16:52   hanging from the ceiling for some reason [TS]

01:16:54   i love the lighting design in Dallas's [TS]

01:16:57   traipsing through the ducts seen how [TS]

01:16:59   he's just got this tiny little cone of [TS]

01:17:01   light that follows him around and the [TS]

01:17:03   way it reflects off of the the doors [TS]

01:17:06   that sort of others in Ryan I viruses [TS]

01:17:09   you have a fantastic [TS]

01:17:12   and.and to add to that the lighting in [TS]

01:17:14   the scene where the alien does catch up [TS]

01:17:16   to him and it looks like he's reaching [TS]

01:17:17   for him to give them a real big hug but [TS]

01:17:21   it speaks to what I think was the genius [TS]

01:17:22   of this which is a they wanted to reveal [TS]

01:17:26   as little of the alien as possible [TS]

01:17:29   Intel they absolutely had to show more [TS]

01:17:31   of it alright well this has been has [TS]

01:17:33   been good good good i'm glad we got to [TS]

01:17:35   talk about this movie i hope everybody [TS]

01:17:37   got through without being too scared my [TS]

01:17:40   daughter didn't she got too scared [TS]

01:17:42   oh but it's a classic will have to come [TS]

01:17:44   back and talk about that aliens movie [TS]

01:17:45   someday it's a very different movie on [TS]

01:17:47   all before that happens therefore I [TS]

01:17:50   don't know I don't know what it was [TS]

01:17:51   seven years between the movies yeah so [TS]

01:17:53   you go i'm not going to promise an [TS]

01:17:56   episode number for the aliens because [TS]

01:17:57   then somebody will notice and then go [TS]

01:17:59   get back to me by the way i'm going to [TS]

01:18:01   choose the Siberian Husky him dog [TS]

01:18:04   drafted anyway k-9s on camera for me [TS]

01:18:07   theist to is coming maybe you can con me [TS]

01:18:09   into going and seeing that bike went [TS]

01:18:11   away the rest of the alien will be [TS]

01:18:12   there's ever an alien 3 podcast i just [TS]

01:18:15   want to say I'm totally up for that [TS]

01:18:17   because i know it will be very popular [TS]

01:18:18   but Charles dances of that maybe there's [TS]

01:18:21   a doggy can draw this is the 30th [TS]

01:18:22   anniversary of aliens maybe we should [TS]

01:18:24   rush into it right away anyway I'm gonna [TS]

01:18:27   leave that as a cliffhanger and of [TS]

01:18:28   course my guess is that 40 so check that [TS]

01:18:31   out list miles thank you for being here [TS]

01:18:33   thank you for having me Steve let's [TS]

01:18:35   thank you [TS]

01:18:36   we had here in 10 minutes Jason we won't [TS]

01:18:38   need no rocket to fly through space [TS]

01:18:40   Monty and space no one can hear you [TS]

01:18:42   scream that I'm sorry I saw a picture of [TS]

01:18:45   a cat on the internal mention of it [TS]

01:18:49   scares me [TS]

01:18:49   Erica and time thank you for being here [TS]

01:18:51   thank you for having me you guys you are [TS]

01:18:53   all my lucky stars [TS]

01:18:54   oh and Anthony Justin I hope it was a [TS]

01:18:57   good experience for you it and maybe [TS]

01:18:59   worth the wait no don't worry Jason you [TS]

01:19:01   will get whatever is coming back and [TS]

01:19:06   with that I'm gonna file my log and [TS]

01:19:08   drift into hopefully a transit sector [TS]

01:19:10   sometime in the next few [TS]

01:19:12   but we'll see but if you receive this [TS]

01:19:15   message to our position our coordinates [TS]

01:19:18   and hopefully your ears again next time [TS]

01:19:21   bye everybody [TS]

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