The Incomparable

◼   ► the incomparable number 214 October 2014 [TS]

◼   ► welcome back everybody to be [TS]

◼   ► uncomfortable i'm your host Jason still [TS]

◼   ► it is an addition of our book club so I [TS]

◼   ► have called some readers together and [TS]

◼   ► what we're going to be talking about in [TS]

◼   ► this episode is a series of books with [TS]

◼   ► some light spoilers but we are going to [TS]

◼   ► blow the spoiler horn and then we'll [TS]

◼   ► tell you when you can come back later [TS]

◼   ► late to find out what we're reading but [TS]

◼   ► a series of books they're currently four [TS]

◼   ► novels in this series the the series is [TS]

◼   ► called the expanse the author is James [TS]

◼   ► sa Corey who is not a person because [TS]

◼   ► it's actually two guys Daniel Abraham [TS]

◼   ► anti-french the protomolecule he's [TS]

◼   ► saying that it's not really no [TS]

◼   ► oh and the the novels are Leviathan [TS]

◼   ► wakes caliban's war avignon skate and [TS]

◼   ► cebolla burn some of us have read all of [TS]

◼   ► them some of some red sort of one of [TS]

◼   ► them and one ish and in between so I I [TS]

◼   ► guess I mean between i read three plus [TS]

◼   ► of them i'm reading the fourth one now [TS]

◼   ► anyway I really fun series we recommend [TS]

◼   ► it highly we'll talk about it a little [TS]

◼   ► bit before we blow the spoiler horn off [TS]

◼   ► and joining me when I say we I mean Dan [TS]

◼   ► Moore and welcome back [TS]

◼   ► dan I'm back it's so good to be back [TS]

◼   ► yes I i mean i'm on a podcast with you [TS]

◼   ► every week but not these turn on the [TS]

◼   ► uncomfortable back here yes it's good to [TS]

◼   ► have you back here back among friends [TS]

◼   ► yes exactly not like wait a second [TS]

◼   ► you're not like that other 1i I'm saying [TS]

◼   ► that my podcast I constantly try to get [TS]

◼   ► usurped alright fair enough [TS]

◼   ► good point David lower as well hello [TS]

◼   ► hello there and of course it would not [TS]

◼   ► be a book club episode except for the [TS]

◼   ► ones we do about Stephen King novels and [TS]

◼   ► things without Scott multi hello or [TS]

◼   ► harry potter or in the direction it [TS]

◼   ► would not be perfect but i don't even [TS]

◼   ► consider those real book club episodes [TS]

◼   ► because they don't feature Scott McNulty [TS]

◼   ► well that's what those are booked [TS]

◼   ► episodes not really properly in the book [TS]

◼   ► club do any episodes feature Scott [TS]

◼   ► McNulty I don't think so [TS]

◼   ► I know although they might listen to you [TS]

◼   ► talk and talk and talk on your own [TS]

◼   ► random track podcast and I think why [TS]

◼   ► doesn't he speak on the incompetent [TS]

◼   ► lemme answer is he feels no need it's [TS]

◼   ► going fine I'll just sit here and enjoy [TS]

◼   ► your listening to the podcast I have to [TS]

◼   ► speak the only two people on that other [TS]

◼   ► guests so if i don't see you and your [TS]

◼   ► the whole of it that would be a great [TS]

◼   ► podcast by the way if you just invited [TS]

◼   ► somebody on and then didn't say ne [TS]

◼   ► welcome to see the latest episode of [TS]

◼   ► silence with Scott me tell me where we [TS]

◼   ► sit quietly for 45 minutes and think [TS]

◼   ► about what we've done be an easy edit [TS]

◼   ► that would be good [TS]

◼   ► so the experience I you know this is a [TS]

◼   ► really interesting series in that it is [TS]

◼   ► it has already been picked up as a [TS]

◼   ► 10-episode season on the SyFy channel so [TS]

◼   ► this as the expanse not as Leviathan [TS]

◼   ► wakes and we talked if that entitle [TS]

◼   ► sounds familiar episode 96 of the [TS]

◼   ► incomparable space fedora which was the [TS]

◼   ► 2012 Hugo or dominis included Leviathan [TS]

◼   ► wakes which was nominated for the hugo [TS]

◼   ► this is a this is a would-be faith fair [TS]

◼   ► to call this a space opera kind of [TS]

◼   ► series do you think i give it an excited [TS]

◼   ► that you know I i was thinking about [TS]

◼   ► this is I've been reading them because [TS]

◼   ► generally when I think space opera I [TS]

◼   ► think sweeping galactic adventures not [TS]

◼   ► to spoil anything so I want any but the [TS]

◼   ► the bulk of these happen within the [TS]

◼   ► solar system [TS]

◼   ► yeah but there's a lot of moving around [TS]

◼   ► a lot of plants are involved so I was I [TS]

◼   ► was trying to think of what it I mean [TS]

◼   ► it's certainly space opera like solar [TS]

◼   ► system holiday ask can we call the space [TS]

◼   ► operetta I like it that sauce that's how [TS]

◼   ► much for just the planet I space i think [TS]

◼   ► i think solar system opera perhaps [TS]

◼   ► because it is it the idea here is that [TS]

◼   ► people are going you know between Mars [TS]

◼   ► and Earth and the outer planets and and [TS]

◼   ► moons of jupiter and saturn and the [TS]

◼   ► asteroid belt and they've got different [TS]

◼   ► spaceships and they're different [TS]

◼   ► factions and and that's from the very [TS]

◼   ► beginning [TS]

◼   ► that's the setting of of these novels [TS]

◼   ► and and so it's not quite super wide [TS]

◼   ► screen of we walking but you know across [TS]

◼   ► the entire galaxy but definitely it's [TS]

◼   ► it's got the it's got that though if you [TS]

◼   ► keep in mind that the name of the series [TS]

◼   ► is [TS]

◼   ► the expanse yeah it makes you wonder [TS]

◼   ► night you might think that's going to [TS]

◼   ► need that blends pulls back at some [TS]

◼   ► point we'll we'll we'll get to that but [TS]

◼   ► that's actually one of the interesting [TS]

◼   ► things about the construction of the [TS]

◼   ► series is a series so the story is Scott [TS]

◼   ► my to dan did you read Leviathan wakes [TS]

◼   ► for that part for that podcast i did not [TS]

◼   ► i read it later on i read a month or two [TS]

◼   ► ago so we read that for that episode [TS]

◼   ► that because it was a hugo nominee and [TS]

◼   ► it was good [TS]

◼   ► it's a good book i didn't quite the [TS]

◼   ► perspective i have on it now is very [TS]

◼   ► different because now I think of it as [TS]

◼   ► like the first season or whatever of [TS]

◼   ► this you know that this book series [TS]

◼   ► which is every June it seems these guys [TS]

◼   ► put out a new book in this series and [TS]

◼   ► they seem fairly maybe they're wrong [TS]

◼   ► yeah well it takes two guys to write a [TS]

◼   ► book this long at once a year but I like [TS]

◼   ► that about it and it and now having read [TS]

◼   ► three and a half of them it is it is a [TS]

◼   ► series so you can jump in with Leviathan [TS]

◼   ► wakes and I just my opinion of it has [TS]

◼   ► changed now that I realized what I was [TS]

◼   ► reading what sort of started this larger [TS]

◼   ► epic instead of the sort of you know [TS]

◼   ► science fiction novel that I thought it [TS]

◼   ► was that was smaller [TS]

◼   ► I'm not small scale but not quite the [TS]

◼   ► same as being part of a giant series so [TS]

◼   ► i guess i don't remember from that [TS]

◼   ► episode and remember folks on that [TS]

◼   ► episode what people thought of it was [TS]

◼   ► there anything you say it was ok for you [TS]

◼   ► you were not so that's good you look [TS]

◼   ► like you don't remember I don't remember [TS]

◼   ► any pockets on either so you're enough [TS]

◼   ► so I mean did you said it was ok but you [TS]

◼   ► didn't see i loved it i thought it was [TS]

◼   ► the best book I've read in knots in fact [TS]

◼   ► i will take an unpopular position right [TS]

◼   ► now and say that I enjoyed it much more [TS]

◼   ► than I enjoyed ancillary justice which I [TS]

◼   ► know everybody all out [TS]

◼   ► wow it was nice talking too much you [TS]

◼   ► need to get out of the house more [TS]

◼   ► Scott Scott is not wrong often but you [TS]

◼   ► know it happens [TS]

◼   ► no it no don't say that it doesn't ever [TS]

◼   ► have that like I just I'm just enjoying [TS]

◼   ► this too much I didn't even think ID [TS]

◼   ► with the clients and wakes was the best [TS]

◼   ► of the hugo nominated well well among [TS]

◼   ► others was in that guy group and that [TS]

◼   ► that was the best of [TS]

◼   ► them but Leviathan wakes was good that I [TS]

◼   ► i like that in fact I I think maybe I [TS]

◼   ► voted like 2nd and 3rd but it is good [TS]

◼   ► and no space for that the clever thing [TS]

◼   ► about Leviathan wakes and actually damn [TS]

◼   ► one of the reasons i bet you like it is [TS]

◼   ► one of the characters one of the two [TS]

◼   ► characters that is in Leviathan wakes is [TS]

◼   ► this a detective with a hat space [TS]

◼   ► detective with his baby dora does have a [TS]

◼   ► hat and I know you like that kind of nor [TS]

◼   ► detective things and this is like a [TS]

◼   ► space noir detective story there's a [TS]

◼   ► girl she's missing detective Miller [TS]

◼   ► needs to find her [TS]

◼   ► of course there in the outer planets but [TS]

◼   ► uh but you've got that she's shooters [TS]

◼   ► she's a rich girl but she's gone missing [TS]

◼   ► and and they don't really know what's [TS]

◼   ► going on there and then meanwhile [TS]

◼   ► there's this uh this pilot who's who [TS]

◼   ► whoo he and his crew have a different [TS]

◼   ► set of adventures and they kind of go [TS]

◼   ► back and forth and in your messages over [TS]

◼   ► time the stories come to ya-ya the [TS]

◼   ► politics of this of the setting and of [TS]

◼   ► this book are fascinating to because [TS]

◼   ► you've got these is a multipolar solar [TS]

◼   ► system you've got Earth and Mars and the [TS]

◼   ► outer planets who are trying to exert [TS]

◼   ► themselves as independent as well and so [TS]

◼   ► you've got that as the backdrop and then [TS]

◼   ► you've got these individual people who [TS]

◼   ► are just like trying to get get on and [TS]

◼   ► do their jobs whether onna on a colony [TS]

◼   ► or they're flying a ship and then of [TS]

◼   ► course what happens in Leviathan wakes [TS]

◼   ► is that something something crazy [TS]

◼   ► happens that is you know is it is an [TS]

◼   ► alien it's unknown there's kind of a you [TS]

◼   ► know a discovery that's made about you [TS]

◼   ► know without spoiling it too much [TS]

◼   ► something you know state they discover [TS]

◼   ► something crazy and that leads to a [TS]

◼   ► whole bunch of other complications on [TS]

◼   ► top of it it and in some ways to me [TS]

◼   ► anyways that too is like the least [TS]

◼   ► compelling part of the story like it [TS]

◼   ► gets interesting and it is a catalyst [TS]

◼   ► but i think the things that i really [TS]

◼   ► enjoyed about this the first book and [TS]

◼   ► about the series in general are the [TS]

◼   ► depictions of the politics like they do [TS]

◼   ► a very very good job of spelling out why [TS]

◼   ► all these different factions believe the [TS]

◼   ► things they do and how they come into [TS]

◼   ► conflict and what happens when they [TS]

◼   ► bounce off each other and most [TS]

◼   ► importantly of all the characters which [TS]

◼   ► to me felt like people rather than so [TS]

◼   ► many science fiction books I [TS]

◼   ► read where the characters especially [TS]

◼   ► with this current fascination of science [TS]

◼   ► fiction books that takes place so far in [TS]

◼   ► the future that people are basically [TS]

◼   ► unrecognizable as people and i find that [TS]

◼   ► out for have a hard time relating to [TS]

◼   ► those whereas these get they talk like [TS]

◼   ► people they talk like you know ordinary [TS]

◼   ► folks they have motivations that are [TS]

◼   ► recognizable it's not all just you know [TS]

◼   ► talking about the unity of getting [TS]

◼   ► fascinating bogged down in the science [TS]

◼   ► fictiony details of it all [TS]

◼   ► so i found that to be a really enjoyable [TS]

◼   ► experience but Miller is nor I mean he [TS]

◼   ► isn't nor detective he just got just [TS]

◼   ► with a girl it is he's a recognizable [TS]

◼   ► character not only as a as a [TS]

◼   ► twentieth-century in fact character [TS]

◼   ► trope but also as a character with [TS]

◼   ► motivations of his own [TS]

◼   ► well I'm Jim Holden is a paladin if you [TS]

◼   ► wanted not here's a do-gooder he is I [TS]

◼   ► kind of thought of him as like a James [TS]

◼   ► Kirk yeah yeah it'll be even more he's [TS]

◼   ► even more moral in some ways than Kirk [TS]

◼   ► right like he has it really is the key [TS]

◼   ► is lawful good you know he's got that [TS]

◼   ► whole thing was like I'm just gonna tell [TS]

◼   ► everybody everything and i'm going to be [TS]

◼   ► like totally painfully good about some [TS]

◼   ► things and it does make him a rather [TS]

◼   ► simplistic character times but they [TS]

◼   ► really dive into that subsequently in [TS]

◼   ► terms of how he acts which i find [TS]

◼   ► fascinating [TS]

◼   ► yeah I was gonna say i really like that [TS]

◼   ► it that it is that sort of blend of [TS]

◼   ► these very familiar kind of things like [TS]

◼   ► Star Trek and war and and or even like [TS]

◼   ► James Kirk as if he were in firefly [TS]

◼   ► almost writes a little more beaten up [TS]

◼   ► right but i like that it that it sort of [TS]

◼   ► spun off from there and became its own [TS]

◼   ► thing and you know when when space [TS]

◼   ► fedora you know I listen to that and you [TS]

◼   ► know and at that point I was still [TS]

◼   ► burned down on syfy because there's [TS]

◼   ► there's a long stretch where I just read [TS]

◼   ► so much and I was just tired of it no [TS]

◼   ► more sci-fi and so I didn't you know I [TS]

◼   ► listen to it to all the podcast and [TS]

◼   ► didn't pick up any the box Mikey so when [TS]

◼   ► I picked this up i really liked the [TS]

◼   ► world-building of it too is it was just [TS]

◼   ► fascinating and and it feels lived-in [TS]

◼   ► the way a lot of sci-fi doesn't these [TS]

◼   ► days you know they've clearly put a lot [TS]

◼   ► of thought into what it would be like in [TS]

◼   ► this place in this place in this place [TS]

◼   ► in this place and how the people are [TS]

◼   ► reacting and how they've changed by [TS]

◼   ► being so far apart i really enjoy that [TS]

◼   ► so you know yes I've read the first one [TS]

◼   ► I'm going to keep reading them all right [TS]

◼   ► away it its it's funny i read the first [TS]

◼   ► one liked it and knew that they were [TS]

◼   ► discovered that it was a series and I [TS]

◼   ► thought well I'll get back to that and [TS]

◼   ► then like this last I don't know three [TS]

◼   ► months ago or something I thought oh [TS]

◼   ► that this thing got picked up as a [TS]

◼   ► series i like that book let's let's uh [TS]

◼   ► let's read on [TS]

◼   ► well but but if at the time you only had [TS]

◼   ► the one book to go on that makes sense [TS]

◼   ► whereas i'm coming to it with ya there [TS]

◼   ► three more books there's two developers [TS]

◼   ► and there's a series i think there was a [TS]

◼   ► second book just out when we recorded [TS]

◼   ► that episode and ok you know and I [TS]

◼   ► actually get one of the perils of being [TS]

◼   ► a Huguenot nominee reader is that if [TS]

◼   ► booked one of a series gets nominated [TS]

◼   ► you wait for the next year's nominees [TS]

◼   ► assuming that you'll read it then and I [TS]

◼   ► didn't get nominated [TS]

◼   ► so I I sort of lost track of it and that [TS]

◼   ► little while that's like secrets of the [TS]

◼   ► people who who follow these nominees [TS]

◼   ► list surround is sometimes you're like [TS]

◼   ► yeah it'll get nominated next year [TS]

◼   ► like I'm not going to rush out and buy [TS]

◼   ► the next mirror grant book because it's [TS]

◼   ► just gonna get nominated next year and I [TS]

◼   ► can't really decide if the only reason [TS]

◼   ► that I'm not buying the experience yeah [TS]

◼   ► that's it that's the only race right [TS]

◼   ► I you know maybe Erika can give us a [TS]

◼   ► letter us her copy i did buy a copy of [TS]

◼   ► the second book caliban's war is at the [TS]

◼   ► second yeah [TS]

◼   ► yes uh but i just sent myself because I [TS]

◼   ► mean I like the first book don't get me [TS]

◼   ► wrong i think it's it was a lot of fun [TS]

◼   ► and I enjoyed it and I certainly would [TS]

◼   ► read more but I have a lot of other [TS]

◼   ► stuff that ring so it just wasn't on the [TS]

◼   ► list and then jason said hey let's do a [TS]

◼   ► pocket about it so I took it down and [TS]

◼   ► read it and then I immediately read the [TS]

◼   ► first one and then everything you read [TS]

◼   ► the fourth one and then I was like other [TS]

◼   ► sometimes Novelis I read all of them [TS]

◼   ► right [TS]

◼   ► neuro so this is a this is a big it's a [TS]

◼   ► compelling narrative right leg and that [TS]

◼   ► is a thing but like I read the second [TS]

◼   ► book was on vacation and I you know [TS]

◼   ► another thing that this that this series [TS]

◼   ► has going for it that I don't get five [TS]

◼   ► feel like the last science fiction these [TS]

◼   ► days is it's funny I was sitting on a [TS]

◼   ► dock reading it and laughing out loud [TS]

◼   ► yeah just pretty rare for uh for a book [TS]

◼   ► to get me this especially one that is [TS]

◼   ► not like a you know humor book like a [TS]

◼   ► terry pratchett or something but the [TS]

◼   ► dialogue is sharp and very very funny [TS]

◼   ► and the characters are drawn in such a [TS]

◼   ► way that you find a kind of delightful [TS]

◼   ► when they act exactly the way that you [TS]

◼   ► expect them to do because that's what [TS]

◼   ► you've been you know taught to believe [TS]

◼   ► with these characters so I it's it's [TS]

◼   ► clever and well done the construction of [TS]

◼   ► this knowing that it's a series now I [TS]

◼   ► think about this a little bit more than [TS]

◼   ► and these guys I mean one of these guys [TS]

◼   ► is is George RR Martin's like assistant [TS]

◼   ► or something and actually that's funny [TS]

◼   ► because I learned something about the [TS]

◼   ► about the business I think has some [TS]

◼   ► connections and then they did they sell [TS]

◼   ► this this TV series III thought to [TS]

◼   ► myself while reading the next two books [TS]

◼   ► that's really smart this is the way you [TS]

◼   ► do a TV series is you have this you have [TS]

◼   ► this lived in world you've got these [TS]

◼   ► stories that are coming at a at a one [TS]

◼   ► book a year pace which is actually [TS]

◼   ► perfect and as I read the other books i [TS]

◼   ► kept thinking yes this makes sense this [TS]

◼   ► could be season to this could be season [TS]

◼   ► 3 you've got continuing characters [TS]

◼   ► you've got new storylines but also [TS]

◼   ► continuing character set in the same [TS]

◼   ► universe and I you know so i was [TS]

◼   ► thinking about that related to Game of [TS]

◼   ► Thrones and ended it fits now how much [TS]

◼   ► of this is hey was a clever calculation [TS]

◼   ► by these guys we will create a [TS]

◼   ► science-fiction property that will [TS]

◼   ► become a television series and if this [TS]

◼   ► that was calculated good job guys [TS]

◼   ► because yet you nailed it but it is so I [TS]

◼   ► mean it's episodic in a way it is I like [TS]

◼   ► that I like that I like that book won [TS]

◼   ► all these books are different they have [TS]

◼   ► some characters in common they have they [TS]

◼   ► have a through line of character you can [TS]

◼   ► notice it was a tree lighting plot to [TS]

◼   ► rights not direct exactly exactly [TS]

◼   ► we'll talk more about this after we blow [TS]

◼   ► the spoiler horn but but I like that [TS]

◼   ► about it that it's structured in a way [TS]

◼   ► where you know book one doesn't end and [TS]

◼   ► you're like oh boy I gotta [TS]

◼   ► a book too because this is a ripoff [TS]

◼   ► notebook each book is a book it tells a [TS]

◼   ► story but the characters some of the [TS]

◼   ► characters continue this the overall [TS]

◼   ► story arc that you start to see in book [TS]

◼   ► 2 continues and I like that it's a good [TS]

◼   ► that's a nice plus they release a book [TS]

◼   ► every year instead of like will win the [TS]

◼   ► next book 105 years seven years who [TS]

◼   ► knows that all like that's it this is [TS]

◼   ► like totally how sci-fi novel series [TS]

◼   ► should work i think exactly like it is [TS]

◼   ► taking notes thanks clearly has a lot of [TS]

◼   ► time while George is writing so uh huh [TS]

◼   ► that's right ok we're going to fire off [TS]

◼   ► the spoiler horn in just a minute but [TS]

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◼   ► don't want to listen on jump ahead to [TS]

◼   ► minute 54 where we will talk about what [TS]

◼   ► we're reading and go read these books [TS]

◼   ► they're really good [TS]

◼   ► I i did the characters so my favorite [TS]

◼   ► character in the entire series so far is [TS]

◼   ► a narrator from book to who is I'm gonna [TS]

◼   ► mispronounce your name but about sir [TS]

◼   ► alistair alia yeah I love her [TS]

◼   ► alright her she is my favorite character [TS]

◼   ► in the entire series she's basically in [TS]

◼   ► charge of security for earth although [TS]

◼   ► she's got a title as a sub whatever of [TS]

◼   ► the United Nations on what under [TS]

◼   ► assistant to the Undersecretary of you [TS]

◼   ► and she has a foul mouth grandmother a [TS]

◼   ► diminutive Indian grandmother who eats [TS]

◼   ► what pistachios Haverford out of her [TS]

◼   ► mercy [TS]

◼   ► so where's will actively working to [TS]

◼   ► create character yep and I i think that [TS]

◼   ► to me was the moment that i really got [TS]

◼   ► sold on this because it took me at you [TS]

◼   ► know you come in any book that switches [TS]

◼   ► narrators and you know Game of Thrones [TS]

◼   ► which we talked about a little bit has [TS]

◼   ► the same issue with like okay there's [TS]

◼   ► this new person i'm going to be in their [TS]

◼   ► head and it might be a little tricky to [TS]

◼   ► adjust to it and then you know how you [TS]

◼   ► know a few chapters in you find yourself [TS]

◼   ► really just enjoying being in these [TS]

◼   ► peoples heads I I mean it was definitely [TS]

◼   ► departure coming from the first book [TS]

◼   ► because you got very used to this [TS]

◼   ► flipping back and forth between holding [TS]

◼   ► the miller and like all right I've got [TS]

◼   ► these two threads and then you need [TS]

◼   ► subsequent book I think they get I don't [TS]

◼   ► they go like scale necessarily more [TS]

◼   ► complicated but like it definitely gets [TS]

◼   ► more complicated and more narrators as [TS]

◼   ► they go along and it's always a little [TS]

◼   ► bit of an adjustment period trying to [TS]

◼   ► deal with the new narrators but i often [TS]

◼   ► you-know-who part of the way through the [TS]

◼   ► book you know you feel like I'm yeah I'm [TS]

◼   ► i like these people i'm home i also [TS]

◼   ► wonder if one of the reasons i like the [TS]

◼   ► second one the first is that the first [TS]

◼   ► book so that the first books that the [TS]

◼   ► vomit zombies this this this alien [TS]

◼   ► whatever-it-is protomolecule weapon they [TS]

◼   ► don't know what it is is going out of [TS]

◼   ► control and it's rewriting people and [TS]

◼   ► turning them into vomit zombies and it's [TS]

◼   ► bad and everybody dies and is very bad [TS]

◼   ► and I thought well you know are you [TS]

◼   ► throwing in here I I didn't love that [TS]

◼   ► aspect of it because it felt like it's [TS]

◼   ► the least introduce on business in some [TS]

◼   ► ways yes a sci-fi novel with zombies he [TS]

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◼   ► be like feel like really different and [TS]

◼   ► so you get the aftermath of that attack [TS]

◼   ► where our friend the Martian marine is [TS]

◼   ► the only survivor and it's this [TS]

◼   ► monstrous you know creature that is [TS]

◼   ► spawned by the the protomolecule and and [TS]

◼   ► you realize that ok they're not really [TS]

◼   ► trying to inject a horror element [TS]

◼   ► everywhere like they you know they [TS]

◼   ► they're very specifically trying to just [TS]

◼   ► create a sort of alien scary feel from [TS]

◼   ► this stuff but I'll that turned me [TS]

◼   ► around a little bit when I went because [TS]

◼   ► the first books the use of zombies I'm [TS]

◼   ► like yeah okay and it's all about how in [TS]

◼   ► book two [TS]

◼   ► it's all about how people are turning [TS]

◼   ► that to certain ends right into it's [TS]

◼   ► less about what the alien protomolecule [TS]

◼   ► is doing then how all these different [TS]

◼   ► power bases are are trying to react to [TS]

◼   ► the fact that this thing exists it turns [TS]

◼   ► out book 2 and at the very end of book [TS]

◼   ► one that a lot of the badness that's [TS]

◼   ► happened is because people have screwed [TS]

◼   ► things up and not because there's an [TS]

◼   ► alien protomolecule that's doing weird [TS]

◼   ► things it is doing weird things but the [TS]

◼   ► people are the ones committing crimes [TS]

◼   ► are rounded right which I i really liked [TS]

◼   ► that too and and I like to pull the [TS]

◼   ► politics and book to looking at us are [TS]

◼   ► all is a balance of power you know even [TS]

◼   ► not just between Earth and Mars and the [TS]

◼   ► outer belt but inside earth politics [TS]

◼   ► where she's sort of like put in jeopardy [TS]

◼   ► at several points by aspects who want [TS]

◼   ► who want to blow things up instead of [TS]

◼   ► instead of kind of taking care of [TS]

◼   ► humanity [TS]

◼   ► yeah it's a very recognizable sort of [TS]

◼   ► power corrupts you know high-level [TS]

◼   ► political machinations you know it's I [TS]

◼   ► think again the thing that the resonates [TS]

◼   ► for me is you know a lot of these a lot [TS]

◼   ► of science fiction books right now are [TS]

◼   ► dealing with this question of like well [TS]

◼   ► what does it mean to be human like [TS]

◼   ► especially in you know as technology [TS]

◼   ► progresses you know people focused on [TS]

◼   ► this whole idea of the singularity and [TS]

◼   ► stuff like that and I think what I [TS]

◼   ► really love about these books is that [TS]

◼   ► they sort of conform to my belief which [TS]

◼   ► is like people are always going to be [TS]

◼   ► kind of inescapably people and in all [TS]

◼   ► the good and bad that that [TS]

◼   ► means you know there they don't change [TS]

◼   ► that much we're not that different than [TS]

◼   ► we you know then we've been for the last [TS]

◼   ► several millennia and I think to me [TS]

◼   ► that's what's really interesting about [TS]

◼   ► these books is all of these things are [TS]

◼   ► recognizable because even if we've you [TS]

◼   ► know gotten to other planets and [TS]

◼   ► colonize asteroid belts and stuff like [TS]

◼   ► that people are still gonna have the [TS]

◼   ► same petty power squabble that they've [TS]

◼   ► always had and they're going to act and [TS]

◼   ► recognizably human ways right right I [TS]

◼   ► agree one of the shocking things that [TS]

◼   ► happens in book one is that one of our [TS]

◼   ► two protagonists does get killed Miller [TS]

◼   ► doesn't make it [TS]

◼   ► holden holden survives the the [TS]

◼   ► idealistic annoying kind of ruins [TS]

◼   ► everything by being so honest kind of [TS]

◼   ► guy which is which is delightful and [TS]

◼   ► they get their spaceship and he's got [TS]

◼   ► his girlfriend who's been his first [TS]

◼   ► officer all along and that that's really [TS]

◼   ► that's a nice thing but i always look [TS]

◼   ► preferred Miller to holden and the irony [TS]

◼   ► is that holding his and his crew are the [TS]

◼   ► ones we follow and Miller Miller guys in [TS]

◼   ► the first book but I you know but i [TS]

◼   ► still i like i like having that the the [TS]

◼   ► guts to say I'm gonna kill off one of my [TS]

◼   ► main characters in this book especially [TS]

◼   ► since it's a series as it turns out what [TS]

◼   ► I just like George erm yeah look at that [TS]

◼   ► they learned so many lessons you say i [TS]

◼   ► really i really enjoy a lot of the [TS]

◼   ► secondary characters and some of them [TS]

◼   ► you get very attached to my you know I [TS]

◼   ► really my other favorite favorite [TS]

◼   ► character is a messy Asher course course [TS]

◼   ► and he's just he's just yeah another [TS]

◼   ► another great drawn character who could [TS]

◼   ► have been very clichéd and [TS]

◼   ► stereotypical but they sort of embraces [TS]

◼   ► it in a way that makes it work you know [TS]

◼   ► he starts officer this big block [TS]

◼   ► mechanic guy and as the as the series [TS]

◼   ► develops you realize well he's also just [TS]

◼   ► like a really really exceptionally [TS]

◼   ► brutal thong but a lovable one of the [TS]

◼   ► heart of gold [TS]

◼   ► he's a level sociopath yeah and but one [TS]

◼   ► of the one of the novellas is called the [TS]

◼   ► turn and it tells his story first to how [TS]

◼   ► he goes out into space so sorry I kind [TS]

◼   ► of like that i didn't know his story [TS]

◼   ► because it made him kind of mysterious [TS]

◼   ► because they kind of there are lots of [TS]

◼   ► kind of [TS]

◼   ► allegiance and remarks throughout the [TS]

◼   ► the series but the story later that for [TS]

◼   ► you so if you want to know there's a [TS]

◼   ► really nice turn seen in the third book [TS]

◼   ► where they he's protecting another [TS]

◼   ► character and she's you know that [TS]

◼   ► they're all in trouble and they're going [TS]

◼   ► to be attacked by other people who are [TS]

◼   ► coming for them with weapons and it's a [TS]

◼   ► serious tense standoff and he she did [TS]

◼   ► and she's a minister right and he he he [TS]

◼   ► doesn't she doesn't know what to think [TS]

◼   ► of him because he is this big kind of [TS]

◼   ► brutal guy and they end up actually [TS]

◼   ► having some kind of really nice [TS]

◼   ► conversation really nice relationship [TS]

◼   ► where you know he he basically says i [TS]

◼   ► will i will make sure that they don't [TS]

◼   ► hurt you and something might happen to [TS]

◼   ► me I don't know but I'm going to make [TS]

◼   ► sure that your you are safe and [TS]

◼   ► protected and that is that is that [TS]

◼   ► character in a nutshell right which is [TS]

◼   ► he is brutal and violent but you know I [TS]

◼   ► don't want to say like with a heart of [TS]

◼   ► gold but that's essentially yet he's [TS]

◼   ► like he's a good he's he's a brutal [TS]

◼   ► violent guy but he's our brutal violent [TS]

◼   ► guy he's one of the good guys [TS]

◼   ► he has a loyalty he has yeah right you [TS]

◼   ► know i see thats man silent mode and [TS]

◼   ► Madagascar dexter and and there i mean [TS]

◼   ► there are scenes that you know again we [TS]

◼   ► find out the spoiler home but there's an [TS]

◼   ► i think it's in book two [TS]

◼   ► there's a scene where he gets shot like [TS]

◼   ► in the head that's a brief sort of scene [TS]

◼   ► where I remember reading The Rock like [TS]

◼   ► your involuntary gasp be like no don't [TS]

◼   ► kill Amos he's great and then of course [TS]

◼   ► it turns out like you know he's wearing [TS]

◼   ► a helmet you know we got smart because [TS]

◼   ► he's smart he's that but like this [TS]

◼   ► holster that he's got a whole sort of [TS]

◼   ► indestructible or around you're making [TS]

◼   ► some ways but not these like you know it [TS]

◼   ► doesn't get that crap kicked out of him [TS]

◼   ► walked so David how do you want to like [TS]

◼   ► pump stick your fingers in your ears and [TS]

◼   ► home for a while [TS]

◼   ► no I'm i have i've read up on the shape [TS]

◼   ► of the Lord so I'm don't know okay so [TS]

◼   ► Miller similar dies and and one of the [TS]

◼   ► things I really like in book two and i [TS]

◼   ► told i told my wife this was about [TS]

◼   ► 70-percent through I said you know you [TS]

◼   ► really series and they move on and even [TS]

◼   ► if there's some new characters in common [TS]

◼   ► they don't like talk about they don't [TS]

◼   ► spend time going [TS]

◼   ► like a yeah I remember him while he's [TS]

◼   ► dead that's too bad they invited like [TS]

◼   ► just move on and you very rarely have [TS]

◼   ► people like even and even in Game of [TS]

◼   ► Thrones they don't do this they don't do [TS]

◼   ► like let's sit and remember how great a [TS]

◼   ► guy Ned Stark was right no he's dead [TS]

◼   ► we've moved on spoiling for Game of [TS]

◼   ► Thrones by the way what are you doing [TS]

◼   ► pay attention am I and uh I so i said i [TS]

◼   ► said to her i said to Lauren I really [TS]

◼   ► like that they keep managing on Miller [TS]

◼   ► that bastard you know he did this and I [TS]

◼   ► wish Miller we're here to ask in this [TS]

◼   ► thing and the whole time I'm thinking [TS]

◼   ► that's actually kind of cool i haven't [TS]

◼   ► seen a book do that because he's dead [TS]

◼   ► and then the very last seen on the very [TS]

◼   ► last page of that book Miller appears [TS]

◼   ► and and says to hold in ya back [TS]

◼   ► fuck what yeah that is well that's yeah [TS]

◼   ► that is a great woman moment and I [TS]

◼   ► definitely laughed and thomas jane is [TS]

◼   ► playing Miller in the series and I keep [TS]

◼   ► thinking are they debated the cast him [TS]

◼   ► and take a look [TS]

◼   ► you're gonna be in season one we're [TS]

◼   ► gonna kill you you're going to not be in [TS]

◼   ► most of season two but then you're going [TS]

◼   ► to be back for the rest here although [TS]

◼   ► it's just metres you [TS]

◼   ► he seems way too young and way too [TS]

◼   ► handsome to play Miller based on like my [TS]

◼   ► way out here but it's TV [TS]

◼   ► well put a hand on him quite quite [TS]

◼   ► honestly and he said he's a he's a [TS]

◼   ► belter so he's supposedly got like a big [TS]

◼   ► head and all that which you know for TV [TS]

◼   ► that's just going to be regular people [TS]

◼   ► idea i don't know about you I just cast [TS]

◼   ► are our former colleague Dan Miller is [TS]

◼   ► Miller honest haha older ladies are like [TS]

◼   ► he's gonna have he's gonna get heard [TS]

◼   ► I don't see you he's I'd watch that show [TS]

◼   ► at the end Miller is his Miller [TS]

◼   ► detective Dan Miller so I that nobody [TS]

◼   ► who nobody knows Dan except for us but [TS]

◼   ► yeah I I cast him i just decided he was [TS]

◼   ► gonna pick some cherries were detected [TS]

◼   ► business but but he's weak comes back in [TS]

◼   ► and that that blew me away and and in [TS]

◼   ► the second book we realize that the the [TS]

◼   ► protomolecule is doing something [TS]

◼   ► interesting on Venus and it you know it [TS]

◼   ► becomes clear by the end of that book [TS]

◼   ► that we've sort of just gotten in the [TS]

◼   ► way of machine a molecular machine that [TS]

◼   ► is doing something an alien machine is [TS]

◼   ► doing something that we just don't even [TS]

◼   ► know what it is and people are officer [TS]

◼   ► all again great character the whole book [TS]

◼   ► she's basically thinking okay there's [TS]

◼   ► two things going on here [TS]

◼   ► that I have to balance one is we have [TS]

◼   ► lots of politics that could be very [TS]

◼   ► important and two is theirs in giant [TS]

◼   ► alien machine down under the clouds and [TS]

◼   ► Venus that could be building something [TS]

◼   ► that will kill us all and I i got think [TS]

◼   ► about that a little bit or try not to [TS]

◼   ► think about it and i really liked that [TS]

◼   ► too that there's that like the stuff we [TS]

◼   ► can control as humans and and also the [TS]

◼   ► feeling that we may be in deep trouble [TS]

◼   ► very much like Game of Thrones actually [TS]

◼   ► with the others [TS]

◼   ► it's a are the White Walkers if you want [TS]

◼   ► you to do me a looming it's like there's [TS]

◼   ► a looming threat to all humanity and [TS]

◼   ► your humanity still squabbling with [TS]

◼   ► within itself [TS]

◼   ► yeah like yeah thanks what else at any [TS]

◼   ► other any of things about the second [TS]

◼   ► book of us are Allah is such a great [TS]

◼   ► character that and the enemy and the [TS]

◼   ► marine who's my name Bobby paper Bobby [TS]

◼   ► those are my two favorite characters so [TS]

◼   ► great are also really good yeah I like [TS]

◼   ► her too and I was said that they were in [TS]

◼   ► the next book that is my second I mean [TS]

◼   ► that the second book is my favorite of [TS]

◼   ► the series I just I really like I agree [TS]

◼   ► with that I i like the other 2i like the [TS]

◼   ► rest of them too but i think the second [TS]

◼   ► book doesn't particularly stand out to [TS]

◼   ► me because I mean it tells the most into [TS]

◼   ► the politics aspect and I think that's [TS]

◼   ► where this series is at its strongest is [TS]

◼   ► what it's doing sort of the political [TS]

◼   ► intrigue thing [TS]

◼   ► yeah I'll ok so the third book is [TS]

◼   ► Abaddon is gate which I which are also i [TS]

◼   ► mean i like all these books this one's [TS]

◼   ► got a different feeling because this is [TS]

◼   ► Jim Holden is now being like haunted by [TS]

◼   ► by Miller and what we realize is that [TS]

◼   ► that this what is it like blue firefly [TS]

◼   ► glow which is like the hint of the [TS]

◼   ► protomolecule that that whatever the [TS]

◼   ► alien creature is or alien machine that [TS]

◼   ► is that it has has gone down to Venus [TS]

◼   ► and built this ring and set it outside [TS]

◼   ► of Neptune's orbit or Uranus or but I [TS]

◼   ► guess is a trying to communicate with [TS]

◼   ► him for some reason except through [TS]

◼   ► Miller and and you don't really know [TS]

◼   ► whether Holden is just totally crazy I [TS]

◼   ► mean you get the sense that he come on [TS]

◼   ► he's not really crazy the blue glow [TS]

◼   ► means something there's aliens at work [TS]

◼   ► here but it holds on enough [TS]

◼   ► just to make you wonder if maybe he's [TS]

◼   ► just actually crazy [TS]

◼   ► I it is a complicated situation and this [TS]

◼   ► is it gets interesting because you know [TS]

◼   ► as you see the development of this piece [TS]

◼   ► of alien machinery and it becomes clear [TS]

◼   ► that the the whole this is the whole [TS]

◼   ► purpose is like the endgame in some ways [TS]

◼   ► now at the end I middle game of the [TS]

◼   ► protomolecule is is building something [TS]

◼   ► which turns out to be getting as the [TS]

◼   ► book's title might suggest yeah it turns [TS]

◼   ► out to be this this ring that goes into [TS]

◼   ► somewhere else and it's like a Stargate [TS]

◼   ► basically and where it goes is to like [TS]

◼   ► the lobby of the galaxy which is a whole [TS]

◼   ► bunch of rings all of them off [TS]

◼   ► strangely and a space station which will [TS]

◼   ► end and that's so so much of this book [TS]

◼   ► is surprisingly we talk about books in [TS]

◼   ► the same series with the same characters [TS]

◼   ► feeling totally different [TS]

◼   ► Abaddon's gate it is small in the way [TS]

◼   ► that uh that the previous book caliban's [TS]

◼   ► war is big cabins words about ships [TS]

◼   ► going into and out of the inner and [TS]

◼   ► outer solar system and transferring [TS]

◼   ► people from here there and like big like [TS]

◼   ► chess moves on a solar system scale [TS]

◼   ► heaven's gate is about people in close [TS]

◼   ► quarters because in the gate lobby area [TS]

◼   ► there's a speed limit you can't go very [TS]

◼   ► fast [TS]

◼   ► everybody is sort of like limited with [TS]

◼   ► what they can do a lot of it takes place [TS]

◼   ► on one giant but one spaceship and it's [TS]

◼   ► about people in corridors fighting room [TS]

◼   ► to room and then Jim Holden separately [TS]

◼   ► goes to the space station and has like [TS]

◼   ► his own personal end of 2001 moment for [TS]

◼   ► an extended period of time where he's [TS]

◼   ► trying to communicate with the alien [TS]

◼   ► whatever it is and yet this is the book [TS]

◼   ► that I thought it is kind of it is a [TS]

◼   ► smaller story but it is the book that [TS]

◼   ► transforms into a space opera because [TS]

◼   ► now they have giant alien artifact ya [TS]

◼   ► doing who-knows-what and there you know [TS]

◼   ► trying to figure out this plus dealing [TS]

◼   ► with all the squabbling because they [TS]

◼   ► still don't stop squabbling even though [TS]

◼   ► they you know they go through this don't [TS]

◼   ► know where they are they go through this [TS]

◼   ► ring everybody they don't want to go [TS]

◼   ► through the ring but the beginning you [TS]

◼   ► a little kid stupidly did ruin video and [TS]

◼   ► ruins it creates his own spaceship but [TS]

◼   ► slingshots himself through and then [TS]

◼   ► everybody all hell breaks loose [TS]

◼   ► yeah i thought was fascinating how it [TS]

◼   ► kind of turned the tone is the same but [TS]

◼   ► the the setting and kind of it just [TS]

◼   ► expands the setting and this this is the [TS]

◼   ► book where you're like oh IC turns out [TS]

◼   ► now that we're in book 3 what we've [TS]

◼   ► actually been looking at is the setup [TS]

◼   ► for Humanity being able to have access [TS]

◼   ► to this wider wider universe but wider [TS]

◼   ► set of galaxies and Eric hour or more [TS]

◼   ► solar systems within our galaxy because [TS]

◼   ► you know obviously they're going to be [TS]

◼   ► able to turn on these rings and there's [TS]

◼   ► a new moment where we're holding kind of [TS]

◼   ► communes with the intelligence that runs [TS]

◼   ► which is it is never said to be an alien [TS]

◼   ► it's like a machine intelligence that [TS]

◼   ► that has been the caretaker of the space [TS]

◼   ► station and this this transfer point [TS]

◼   ► this this Lobby and it's basically ATM [TS]

◼   ► in the galaxies lobby and you playback [TS]

◼   ► what's happened and that's that [TS]

◼   ► I mean talk about space off right that's [TS]

◼   ► the moment of grand galaxy-spanning [TS]

◼   ► civilization built this entire thing and [TS]

◼   ► then there's a mysterious other force [TS]

◼   ► that attacks it and it you know that [TS]

◼   ► civilization falls and they close off [TS]

◼   ► all the gates and that's just sort of [TS]

◼   ► that tidbit they're like wow what [TS]

◼   ► happened we're late to the party here [TS]

◼   ► that the z3 there's any even more [TS]

◼   ► ominous threat that killed off the [TS]

◼   ► ominous threat yes desolation which is a [TS]

◼   ► nice moment I mean it reminded me of [TS]

◼   ► some of the stuff and if anybody's [TS]

◼   ► played the game mass effect has a has [TS]

◼   ► sort of a similar galaxy-spanning you [TS]

◼   ► know threat approach in there and I [TS]

◼   ► really dug that I dug that the I think [TS]

◼   ► it's incredibly clever the way they came [TS]

◼   ► up with how this you know how this [TS]

◼   ► machine deals with threats are things [TS]

◼   ► that perceives as threats for example [TS]

◼   ► this whole deal with like when you're [TS]

◼   ► inside the gate in the lobby and it's [TS]

◼   ► just decides not nothing can move faster [TS]

◼   ► than like 30 miles an hour [TS]

◼   ► yeah and all the sudden everything that [TS]

◼   ► is moving faster and all that stuff they [TS]

◼   ► all those ships are moving faster [TS]

◼   ► because that [TS]

◼   ► it's space that's one does just grind to [TS]

◼   ► a halt and it really like kills people [TS]

◼   ► and like but like not in a way that's [TS]

◼   ► malicious just in a way that's like oh [TS]

◼   ► yeah you are all going too fast now and [TS]

◼   ► I thought that the changing of physics [TS]

◼   ► and stuff like that as a defense [TS]

◼   ► mechanism i thought was incredibly [TS]

◼   ► clever and I i really enjoyed that I [TS]

◼   ► enjoyed that even you know I sort of to [TS]

◼   ► get back to the point about the [TS]

◼   ► characters acting very human even the [TS]

◼   ► the antagonists in that book are acting [TS]

◼   ► in a way that is somewhat believable you [TS]

◼   ► know out of fear [TS]

◼   ► essentially what is your there's a lot [TS]

◼   ► of antagonism from all of many of these [TS]

◼   ► books where the bad guys are essentially [TS]

◼   ► people who just have a difference of [TS]

◼   ► opinion there's a classic a classic like [TS]

◼   ► wanting to be wanting to be worldly or [TS]

◼   ► wanting to turn in on yourself and be [TS]

◼   ► isolationist in that moment that happens [TS]

◼   ► where it's like we've been we've been [TS]

◼   ► shown the possibility of the galaxy all [TS]

◼   ► these gates that maybe we could open and [TS]

◼   ► travel elsewhere and some people are [TS]

◼   ► like oh cool let's do that and other [TS]

◼   ► people like no no burn it with fire run [TS]

◼   ► get out get out and that you know that's [TS]

◼   ► because they're both motivated by the [TS]

◼   ► same set of I mean the same set of data [TS]

◼   ► is there and some of them are motivated [TS]

◼   ► in a very different way than others [TS]

◼   ► unless you have some of the characters [TS]

◼   ► are interested about you know going [TS]

◼   ► through others are worried more about [TS]

◼   ► what can come through [TS]

◼   ► yes and I got that is your practical [TS]

◼   ► practical concerns you know it'sit's but [TS]

◼   ► then holding just opens them anyway so I [TS]

◼   ► guess this is what he that's what he [TS]

◼   ► does but it's interesting because it's [TS]

◼   ► never always there's a lot of here both [TS]

◼   ► other characters and never to the book [TS]

◼   ► that often considers maybe that's not [TS]

◼   ► actually the best approach [TS]

◼   ► alright in particular you know like a [TS]

◼   ► Vassar Allah has a whole thing with him [TS]

◼   ► where it's just like I just can't tell [TS]

◼   ► everybody everything how this is your [TS]

◼   ► really really don't and that's one of my [TS]

◼   ► favorite moments all the books which is [TS]

◼   ► just like you're an idiot [TS]

◼   ► yep but you know and and bad stuff [TS]

◼   ► happens often when he makes the music he [TS]

◼   ► starts like three wars within the first [TS]

◼   ► half [TS]

◼   ► yeah yeah he's yeah at times he reminds [TS]

◼   ► me of Captain Kirk at times he reminds [TS]

◼   ► me of Malcolm Reynolds from from firefly [TS]

◼   ► where he's yeah he's a he's a good guy [TS]

◼   ► but uh sometimes he does stuff it's like [TS]

◼   ► was good why doing that he's good to the [TS]

◼   ► point of naivete almost except he is [TS]

◼   ► kind of savvy you know like there are [TS]

◼   ► generally indications that he is he's [TS]

◼   ► smart and knows you know what he's doing [TS]

◼   ► but at the same time he's a blunt [TS]

◼   ► instrument right like yeah that's he has [TS]

◼   ► kind of you know everything looks like a [TS]

◼   ► nail to him and I think I think maybe [TS]

◼   ► philosophically he also believes that [TS]

◼   ► that everything is a nail in the end [TS]

◼   ► yeah and then and then it so it's like [TS]

◼   ► he realizes that it's messy but he [TS]

◼   ► doesn't really believe that it's it's [TS]

◼   ► not the right thing to do even if it's [TS]

◼   ► even if it's messy there there is a nice [TS]

◼   ► moment and i believe it's in is it in in [TS]

◼   ► caliban's war where yes caliban's war [TS]

◼   ► because he starts to internalise a lot [TS]

◼   ► of the same sort of cynicism and [TS]

◼   ► negativity that Miller is paused and his [TS]

◼   ► crew really gets turned off and his his [TS]

◼   ► girlfriend basically kicked him out of [TS]

◼   ► their cabin and leaves the ship and he [TS]

◼   ► has to do some reassessment of who he is [TS]

◼   ► and and how he's acting because they're [TS]

◼   ► basically like hey you're no longer [TS]

◼   ► acting like that idealistic jackass that [TS]

◼   ► we love [TS]

◼   ► now you're just a jackass so that off [TS]

◼   ► that it like you're not the guy that [TS]

◼   ► shoots everybody you're the one that [TS]

◼   ► talks everybody out of shooting [TS]

◼   ► yeah yeah and then Miller appears [TS]

◼   ► intervention just to get him but uh I i [TS]

◼   ► liked you know not only do i like that [TS]

◼   ► that scope of of the space opera that's [TS]

◼   ► introduced inhabitants cape that this is [TS]

◼   ► this galaxy spanning civilization and [TS]

◼   ► there's a thread and they're all these [TS]

◼   ► gates and humanity has a chance to [TS]

◼   ► explore further because that one of the [TS]

◼   ► subplots of all three books is that the [TS]

◼   ► Mormons have tried to build this big [TS]

◼   ► spaceship and they're going to set it on [TS]

◼   ► my unit to another star system and can [TS]

◼   ► take generations for it to get there and [TS]

◼   ► it doesn't really work out and they [TS]

◼   ► repurpose the spaceship a few times but [TS]

◼   ► you know there's that is setting up like [TS]

◼   ► well forget [TS]

◼   ► having two other other solar systems [TS]

◼   ► that trope of sci-fi is not going to be [TS]

◼   ► in this but wait maybe it is more i like [TS]

◼   ► that and like so i like how weird the [TS]

◼   ► space stations i really felt like the [TS]

◼   ► the alien machinery once you are you [TS]

◼   ► know once holdings able to talk to it i [TS]

◼   ► love how weird alien it is and how it's [TS]

◼   ► not even like the machinery like like [TS]

◼   ► Miller is like the interface to the [TS]

◼   ► machinery trying to it's just it's [TS]

◼   ► fascinating because I I like that it's [TS]

◼   ► complicated and weird because it should [TS]

◼   ► be like when you see sci-fi movies where [TS]

◼   ► you know you can just take out you take [TS]

◼   ► your powerbook and hack into the alien [TS]

◼   ► computer you roll your eyes and that [TS]

◼   ► this is like no no la if we met aliens [TS]

◼   ► or alien systems it would be really [TS]

◼   ► strange and inhabit escape [TS]

◼   ► it's really strange it is and 2001 [TS]

◼   ► strange just like bizarre stuff [TS]

◼   ► yeah yeah I enjoyed that it's it's a li [TS]

◼   ► it's not just like a palette swap or [TS]

◼   ► it's like oh they're basically people [TS]

◼   ► but with like different colored you know [TS]

◼   ► different numbers of limbs or a [TS]

◼   ► different color do have three eyes [TS]

◼   ► yeah exactly though I mean without [TS]

◼   ► really thinking about the consequences [TS]

◼   ► thereof this you know this seems [TS]

◼   ► actually thought out in like there's [TS]

◼   ► there's a reason behind this whole [TS]

◼   ► civilization or you and we don't even [TS]

◼   ► you know that's the fascinating thing is [TS]

◼   ► like if you asked like water water what [TS]

◼   ► do the aliens from these books look like [TS]

◼   ► we never see one now all dead all that [TS]

◼   ► this is just the systems they built that [TS]

◼   ► that continue on without them like the [TS]

◼   ► woman is like the aqueducts in the roads [TS]

◼   ► in the Romans had all died off [TS]

◼   ► yeah so the next book is a siebel burn [TS]

◼   ► which i've only read the first like five [TS]

◼   ► chapters of so how is it it is it is as [TS]

◼   ► distinct from you you mean is adjusting [TS]

◼   ► for the rest of them as they all are [TS]

◼   ► right it's it's a very different book [TS]

◼   ► just to set up the premise you know now [TS]

◼   ► that these gates are open people have [TS]

◼   ► basically gone through and started [TS]

◼   ► settling in particular one planet that [TS]

◼   ► they that seems to be habitable by [TS]

◼   ► humans and there is a political dispute [TS]

◼   ► over it in terms of there are squatters [TS]

◼   ► who basically you know [TS]

◼   ► internship and flew out there before [TS]

◼   ► anybody else could get there but there's [TS]

◼   ► also a company that's like a mining [TS]

◼   ► company that owned theoretically owns [TS]

◼   ► the rights to that planet or has you [TS]

◼   ► know a deal with the UN 2m basically [TS]

◼   ► colonize and resource farming the planet [TS]

◼   ► right so there's some conflict there and [TS]

◼   ► we meet a couple new uh Brittany [TS]

◼   ► narrators including a couple of whom who [TS]

◼   ► have appeared previously in the series [TS]

◼   ► as minor character i believe there are [TS]

◼   ► two in that book who are three who have [TS]

◼   ► already met in the series and there's [TS]

◼   ► some interesting fallout from stuff [TS]

◼   ► that's happened in the series already [TS]

◼   ► both for those characters and for some [TS]

◼   ► of the other characters but it's a very [TS]

◼   ► you know I it's interesting because [TS]

◼   ► looking at it without giving too much [TS]

◼   ► way for those of our panelists who [TS]

◼   ► haven't read it thanks we get into the [TS]

◼   ► same situation of being like you know [TS]

◼   ► that happens get dresses like well as [TS]

◼   ► people should we really just be jumping [TS]

◼   ► onto these brand new planets and [TS]

◼   ► settling them like should we check that [TS]

◼   ► out first or should we just like let's [TS]

◼   ► just go because they had a planet has [TS]

◼   ► got like tunnels and and structures and [TS]

◼   ► things that were left by whoever lived [TS]

◼   ► there before [TS]

◼   ► whatever happened to the gates and [TS]

◼   ► everything happened it's not like I mean [TS]

◼   ► and literally people are just like hey [TS]

◼   ► but there's lithium here let's mine it [TS]

◼   ► sneaky ass a dead civilization and alien [TS]

◼   ► creatures and are you really thinking [TS]

◼   ► this through it but they're in and [TS]

◼   ► they're really excited about the fact [TS]

◼   ► that there is another planet because a [TS]

◼   ► lot of the tension earlier on in the [TS]

◼   ► series comes from the fact that you have [TS]

◼   ► these two you essentially have your [TS]

◼   ► Arthur's you're Martians and your [TS]

◼   ► belters and the fact that both the [TS]

◼   ► Martians and the belters grew up in [TS]

◼   ► different gravitational situations which [TS]

◼   ► leads to some physiological differences [TS]

◼   ► right there is like a racial divide [TS]

◼   ► yeah and so having another planet turns [TS]

◼   ► out to be an interesting tension [TS]

◼   ► political tension factor because it's [TS]

◼   ► like oh well now you know how does that [TS]

◼   ► factor into all these pre-existing [TS]

◼   ► divides in terms of how we've [TS]

◼   ► categorized people thus far and the [TS]

◼   ► belters are the ones who do the Wildcat [TS]

◼   ► colony on this plan [TS]

◼   ► and it's also funny because on one level [TS]

◼   ► they're trying to ban together as [TS]

◼   ► belters on another level if if they [TS]

◼   ► colonize a planet [TS]

◼   ► they're not there they're children are [TS]

◼   ► not going to be belters anymore either [TS]

◼   ► going to look like earth people and and [TS]

◼   ► Mars people because they're grown and [TS]

◼   ► gravity [TS]

◼   ► yeah so the I know they're gonna they're [TS]

◼   ► gonna be abandoning they may feel like [TS]

◼   ► they're like supporting their people but [TS]

◼   ► they're actually going to be abandoning [TS]

◼   ► their life entirely by doing that so [TS]

◼   ► that's fascinating wrinkle to like we're [TS]

◼   ► and we thought we were out of real [TS]

◼   ► estate so we were colonizing out here [TS]

◼   ► and now it turns out there's unlimited [TS]

◼   ► real estate so what happens next right [TS]

◼   ► and and the questions of just like how [TS]

◼   ► you know human beings being naturally [TS]

◼   ► tribal to a certain extent like how do [TS]

◼   ► you draw those line right terms of like [TS]

◼   ► your identity when it comes to a new [TS]

◼   ► planet when it's a and somehow there's [TS]

◼   ► always an element of us versus them and [TS]

◼   ► that comes into play in terms of [TS]

◼   ► settling this new planet between these [TS]

◼   ► these conflicting parties [TS]

◼   ► the reviews are relative said also that [TS]

◼   ► the this feels like sort of part one of [TS]

◼   ► the next act of this series that you [TS]

◼   ► have partly important that the first act [TS]

◼   ► was opening the gates essentially and [TS]

◼   ► this is this is part this is a [TS]

◼   ► transitional book that setting up this [TS]

◼   ► next phase of the storyline and [TS]

◼   ► apparently they've signed deal where [TS]

◼   ► they're gonna be like five more of these [TS]

◼   ► at least so yeah well i was fascinated [TS]

◼   ► because I'm you know having now finish [TS]

◼   ► that book and and thought about you know [TS]

◼   ► sort of how different all of these books [TS]

◼   ► are from each other i'm sort of just [TS]

◼   ► really intrigued to see what the next [TS]

◼   ► book is because even if you're setting [TS]

◼   ► up a new Act it feels like the pattern [TS]

◼   ► is that all of these books are so [TS]

◼   ► different from the other books yeah and [TS]

◼   ► so the kind of the way this leaves off [TS]

◼   ► in some ways because all the books seem [TS]

◼   ► to end with a certain amount of epilogue [TS]

◼   ► that has like hints of where we're going [TS]

◼   ► next and the hints that they started [TS]

◼   ► dropping this book suggests well we're [TS]

◼   ► going we're not going to like [TS]

◼   ► necessarily directly follow up on the [TS]

◼   ► stuff here but it's going to have an [TS]

◼   ► impact on what we're looking at next in [TS]

◼   ► the whole like state of play for all of [TS]

◼   ► these factions right anything else [TS]

◼   ► anybody want to say about the series [TS]

◼   ► other than we like it you should you [TS]

◼   ► should you should read it I think before [TS]

◼   ► the TV show comes on maybe you should [TS]

◼   ► you should read it there fun it is it is [TS]

◼   ► one of the best science fiction series I [TS]

◼   ► feel that I've read in years and [TS]

◼   ► certainly one of the best i think [TS]

◼   ► probably the best space opera I've read [TS]

◼   ► since the Vorkosigan saga which is my [TS]

◼   ► favorite space of plateau I feel I i'm [TS]

◼   ► highly enjoyed it I I sort of burned [TS]

◼   ► through these and I've really just I've [TS]

◼   ► immersed myself in them and I haven't [TS]

◼   ► found a book series that I've just [TS]

◼   ► fallen into so completely as this in a [TS]

◼   ► very long time so it was it was a [TS]

◼   ► delightful read my house recommend it [TS]

◼   ► oh I was gonna say if if I were in deep [TS]

◼   ► in rehearsing a show right now I [TS]

◼   ► probably would have pounded right [TS]

◼   ► through the second and third one hand [TS]

◼   ► because yeah it just it's fun it's fun [TS]

◼   ► there's no doubt about it Scott do you [TS]

◼   ► what your feelings are your feelings I [TS]

◼   ► have no feelings i enjoyed reading i [TS]

◼   ► think the phone i'll read the next one [TS]

◼   ► when it comes out in like whatever [TS]

◼   ► extremely they turn them out every month [TS]

◼   ► or something [TS]

◼   ► yeah it's craziness and I'm surprised [TS]

◼   ► how good they are given their rapid [TS]

◼   ► development i I'm intrigued [TS]

◼   ► I wonder how they do this how they there [TS]

◼   ► two guys that are writing these and I [TS]

◼   ► just wonder what their processes like [TS]

◼   ► maybe Daniel Abraham and ty Franck are [TS]

◼   ► themselves pen names each representing [TS]

◼   ► two people and then they have two people [TS]

◼   ► and they have two people and there's [TS]

◼   ► actually like a hundred and twenty-eight [TS]

◼   ► people who read these books [TS]

◼   ► crowdsourcing it could be [TS]

◼   ► it's amazing just google docs you set up [TS]

◼   ► a google doc you share with some friends [TS]

◼   ► you got a novel we got to love you [TS]

◼   ► haven't got a TV deal just like that [TS]

◼   ► doing this all the wrong way [TS]

◼   ► yeah seriously but there's a lot of fun [TS]

◼   ► i like them i think that they feel [TS]

◼   ► modern and rooted in our current time [TS]

◼   ► like that was talking about how he's [TS]

◼   ► kind of burnt out with this this post [TS]

◼   ► human thing that same sci-fi authors are [TS]

◼   ► going because charles stross like that [TS]

◼   ► charles stross book we read with the [TS]

◼   ► name of money and the mermaid right I [TS]

◼   ► couldn't finish it I couldn't have [TS]

◼   ► started reading and i got like 50 pages [TS]

◼   ► and i'm like a just i don't i don't care [TS]

◼   ► about these people representing people [TS]

◼   ► they're like robots that I don't know [TS]

◼   ► whether it's a 2312 or whatever the heck [TS]

◼   ► that was all I almost twenty-three [TS]

◼   ► twelve and get that either [TS]

◼   ► then you probably know how fast money [TS]

◼   ► and Slow Money work now [TS]

◼   ► hold on let me check really quick nope [TS]

◼   ► okay with that [TS]

◼   ► yeah I'm good I can tell you later day [TS]

◼   ► yeah okay thank you so much five guys in [TS]

◼   ► the textbook LOL i've got a webinar on [TS]

◼   ► it but yeah but a lot of fun there they [TS]

◼   ► they certainly feel like if current [TS]

◼   ► people were transported to the future [TS]

◼   ► and what would happen and i don't mean [TS]

◼   ► that in a bad way [TS]

◼   ► you know like damn samey characters act [TS]

◼   ► like you think they would and they feel [TS]

◼   ► like people which is a high compliment [TS]

◼   ► and the aliens are weird and cool stuff [TS]

◼   ► happens [TS]

◼   ► yeah yeah i like that i mean again re in [TS]

◼   ► reality you know it 200 years in the [TS]

◼   ► future people will probably behave [TS]

◼   ► there'll be things about human nature [TS]

◼   ► will be the same but there'll be a lot [TS]

◼   ► of trap trappings will be very different [TS]

◼   ► and horrifying it's the it's that damn [TS]

◼   ► kids thing taken like times a hundred [TS]

◼   ► but um and that can be interesting [TS]

◼   ► speculation but on another level i also [TS]

◼   ► enjoy science fiction where the [TS]

◼   ► characters feel human in a strange [TS]

◼   ► situation but recognizably human [TS]

◼   ► behaving the same way and maybe you know [TS]

◼   ► saying some things about how you know [TS]

◼   ► what human nature is and how we behave [TS]

◼   ► today and I i like that and and I i'm [TS]

◼   ► with you guys [TS]

◼   ► posthuman complications are interesting [TS]

◼   ► but it was nice to read something where [TS]

◼   ► I felt like I was can I was being a [TS]

◼   ► watching a movie or TV show in my head [TS]

◼   ► what he's really good well-drawn [TS]

◼   ► characters who were recognizable to me [TS]

◼   ► as people fun is underfunded under [TS]

◼   ► rabies [TS]

◼   ► yeah and having read the first one not [TS]

◼   ► knowing anything about you know this [TS]

◼   ► obviously this was before the TV series [TS]

◼   ► but once I heard about the TV deal i was [TS]

◼   ► like oh that makes perfect sense just [TS]

◼   ► reading the first one was like yeah I [TS]

◼   ► can totally see this is a TV show and [TS]

◼   ► reading the other three it even have [TS]

◼   ► hammers at home even more [TS]

◼   ► yeah yeah season 4 on a planet actually [TS]

◼   ► actually in terms of TV construction i [TS]

◼   ► was also thinking that one of the [TS]

◼   ► brilliant things about this is that they [TS]

◼   ► it is not like a book of space battles [TS]

◼   ► right it's a lot of conversations and [TS]

◼   ► people in enclosed spaces whether it's [TS]

◼   ► on earth or on a space station or on a [TS]

◼   ► spaceship having character moments and [TS]

◼   ► punctuated by exciting space things but [TS]

◼   ► uh [TS]

◼   ► but also it just it seemed eminently sh [TS]

◼   ► fillable let that boy [TS]

◼   ► kind of reminds me of it makes me think [TS]

◼   ► of the wire honestly it's like every [TS]

◼   ► season has a slightly different [TS]

◼   ► yes with a slightly different set of [TS]

◼   ► characters some characters carryover [TS]

◼   ► between the seasons but they're each [TS]

◼   ► sort of distinct and tell their own [TS]

◼   ► story within themselves right and it all [TS]

◼   ► connects in a larger City and we find [TS]

◼   ► out emphasis from Baltimore ya sister [TS]

◼   ► multiple through that's amazing [TS]

◼   ► alright well so there it is the expanse [TS]

◼   ► if you're still listening because you [TS]

◼   ► don't care about spreading horns go read [TS]

◼   ► it i am already mall ball so novellas to [TS]

◼   ► their kind of so now the i will seek [TS]

◼   ► those out after i'm done with the fourth [TS]

◼   ► book was gonna say one of the things I [TS]

◼   ► really like about it is that it is large [TS]

◼   ► enough to also be able to have these [TS]

◼   ► novellas with smaller stories and focus [TS]

◼   ► on characters that might not be you know [TS]

◼   ► that might not get a giant part of one [TS]

◼   ► of the books but you can still meet [TS]

◼   ► again fitting in that whole television [TS]

◼   ► episodic thing you know this is like a [TS]

◼   ► special episode in the middle of the [TS]

◼   ► season [TS]

◼   ► yeah that's true and so one of the [TS]

◼   ► novellas I tell him a story one tells [TS]

◼   ► Fred Johnson story and then the third [TS]

◼   ► one tells the story of Bobby's cousin [TS]

◼   ► which is kinda weird but it's fun [TS]

◼   ► Stephen Draper who shows that me does he [TS]

◼   ► shows up in the prologue a book i look [TS]

◼   ► for ya so his story is told nice alright [TS]

◼   ► now let's move on and play that game [TS]

◼   ► that we've been playing since episode [TS]

◼   ► number one which is what are you reading [TS]

◼   ► where we get to talk about some books [TS]

◼   ► that we've been reading lately that we [TS]

◼   ► would like to recommend ideally [TS]

◼   ► recommend or maybe warn people away from [TS]

◼   ► fine that works too [TS]

◼   ► dan what are you reading she's like to [TS]

◼   ► finish this book white guy you're [TS]

◼   ► reading my experience you say [TS]

◼   ► tell us about that it's like that seems [TS]

◼   ► like cheating yeah I don't know what to [TS]

◼   ► read next I had a couple things on my [TS]

◼   ► list and I had a few things on sort of [TS]

◼   ► my mine bedside table that I'd had [TS]

◼   ► stacked out before your reading [TS]

◼   ► experience where you reading anything to [TS]

◼   ► do anything good the last like six [TS]

◼   ► months and [TS]

◼   ► well what the hell that I read before [TS]

◼   ► you think about it will come back to you [TS]

◼   ► David are you ready [TS]

◼   ► what have you been reading while the [TS]

◼   ► other book i have a book market right [TS]

◼   ► now is I haven't gotten a tie-in novel [TS]

◼   ► and I don't know how long but they just [TS]

◼   ► came out with a a doctor who novel about [TS]

◼   ► the war doctor and I thought okay I'm [TS]

◼   ► curious and it's it's called engines of [TS]

◼   ► war by George man with two ends and it's [TS]

◼   ► it's kind of interesting you know you [TS]

◼   ► can you can really see very well here [TS]

◼   ► John Hurt doing this line so I think [TS]

◼   ► he's really caught the character and I [TS]

◼   ► took a break from it to go into [TS]

◼   ► Leviathan wakes so I'm kind of curious [TS]

◼   ► to see how it wraps on but I'm liking it [TS]

◼   ► so far [TS]

◼   ► all right now I know you love tie-in [TS]

◼   ► novels too well the eye from your eyes [TS]

◼   ► for her earliest i have it [TS]

◼   ► I've curved by habit but yes I used to [TS]

◼   ► have tons of channels i still have a few [TS]

◼   ► all right Scott what what have you been [TS]

◼   ► reading lately that you recommend i get [TS]

◼   ► so many books that i read because you [TS]

◼   ► tell me to read them [TS]

◼   ► so what tell me what to read scott well [TS]

◼   ► as i was reading the expense i tweeted [TS]

◼   ► about this book earlier today actually [TS]

◼   ► it made me think of this series the [TS]

◼   ► paradox trilogy that i read that's by [TS]

◼   ► Rachel bak i read it sometime early this [TS]

◼   ► year three books obviously because [TS]

◼   ► trilogy fortunes pawn honors night and [TS]

◼   ► heavens queen and luckily for me I [TS]

◼   ► started reading it and they decided I [TS]

◼   ► guess they have these backlog because [TS]

◼   ► they came out a one month at a time so [TS]

◼   ► it was very convenient for me because i [TS]

◼   ► started reading it [TS]

◼   ► well the first one came out and then I [TS]

◼   ► had to wait a month for the second one [TS]

◼   ► and the third one and these are right [TS]

◼   ► from the beginning space opera it's a a [TS]

◼   ► woman is the the main character and [TS]

◼   ► she's kind of like this power arm pilot [TS]

◼   ► and she gets mixed up power armor i [TS]

◼   ► should say no power that beard highly [TS]

◼   ► specific skills but she gets mixed up in [TS]

◼   ► this crazy like a psychic monster thing [TS]

◼   ► that's happening in a secret society [TS]

◼   ► that's protecting the universe [TS]

◼   ► to it's a very interesting book and it's [TS]

◼   ► always nice to read the sign switching [TS]

◼   ► book that has a female lead [TS]

◼   ► so check those out are the first ones to [TS]

◼   ► dollars [TS]

◼   ► Jason I can answer your question now a [TS]

◼   ► damn what are you reading [TS]

◼   ► fortunately I've been cataloging my my [TS]

◼   ► books this year and I just remembered [TS]

◼   ► that I don't like that reads page 0 but [TS]

◼   ► normal so ironically enough the book i [TS]

◼   ► read directly before Leviathan wakes [TS]

◼   ► which sort of ease me into it was a star [TS]

◼   ► wars book but it was written by James sa [TS]

◼   ► Corey oh yeah I'm honor among thieves [TS]

◼   ► which is a han Solo book that takes [TS]

◼   ► place after star after a new hope it was [TS]

◼   ► okay i wouldn't say it was great but it [TS]

◼   ► was in good enough that it made me check [TS]

◼   ► out what else was under the name James [TS]

◼   ► sa Corey and I was like oh I think Scott [TS]

◼   ► like that book i should read it directly [TS]

◼   ► before that I read another actually a [TS]

◼   ► really good book that i will recommend [TS]

◼   ► called hot led Coldiron by an author [TS]

◼   ► named marimar Mel [TS]

◼   ► normal I don't know but it is a sort of [TS]

◼   ► urban fantasy book set in 1930s Chicago [TS]

◼   ► following API named Mick Oberon who is [TS]

◼   ► actually from who is actually a ferry [TS]

◼   ► from the buffet [TS]

◼   ► it has a little bit of intrigue fantasy [TS]

◼   ► intrigued but also mobsters and yeah a [TS]

◼   ► little bit more angle to it I thought it [TS]

◼   ► was quite good [TS]

◼   ► very funny well written i believe there [TS]

◼   ► are more following books coming out in [TS]

◼   ► that series and i would recommend it [TS]

◼   ► Jason what are you reading oh thank you [TS]

◼   ► for asking Scott that's very kind of you [TS]

◼   ► I we're going to do a book club in a few [TS]

◼   ► weeks about this i I've read some urban [TS]

◼   ► fantasy sort of siren lung London [TS]

◼   ► falling by paul cornell and i bought the [TS]

◼   ► sequel but i haven't read it yet and I [TS]

◼   ► read the latest been an individual not [TS]

◼   ► the latest i read the next Peter Grant [TS]

◼   ► book moon over soho those are series the [TS]

◼   ► intervention paul cornell both Doctor [TS]

◼   ► Who writers both now writing urban [TS]

◼   ► fantasy about law enforcement with magic [TS]

◼   ► in London so lots of similarities lots [TS]

◼   ► of differences but both could really [TS]

◼   ► good [TS]

◼   ► dan I know you've been you've been [TS]

◼   ► reading the peter grant i have i think i [TS]

◼   ► am up to date on it [TS]

◼   ► yeah I think you're right there's one [TS]

◼   ► come i think there's one coming out this [TS]

◼   ► fall though I think I just like four of [TS]

◼   ► them or five hours i read for and I [TS]

◼   ► think the right one is coming out this [TS]

◼   ► fall [TS]

◼   ► yeah so I read over the second it was [TS]

◼   ► really good i really like to have [TS]

◼   ► enjoyed all of river when I mean yeah [TS]

◼   ► they're quick reads and there's some [TS]

◼   ► more interesting stuff that again as it [TS]

◼   ► goes a lot of things get a little more [TS]

◼   ► complex and there was a there was a [TS]

◼   ► genuine moment when the last books when [TS]

◼   ► I was like what is going on yeah well [TS]

◼   ► it's funny I the baronage books there's [TS]

◼   ► a basically magic something happened and [TS]

◼   ► now it's almost nobody who can do magic [TS]

◼   ► and then this this young the young [TS]

◼   ► detective are young police officer ends [TS]

◼   ► up meeting this old white guy he's a [TS]

◼   ► young black police officer old white guy [TS]

◼   ► who knows magic and sort of takes him [TS]

◼   ► under his wing and explains to him that [TS]

◼   ► he's gonna maybe be a magician and it [TS]

◼   ► you know it's it's pretty cool [TS]

◼   ► london falling it's sort of like there's [TS]

◼   ► a there's a good team of people in the [TS]

◼   ► police who are investigating a crime and [TS]

◼   ► through an accident they basically are [TS]

◼   ► granted special magical sight and so [TS]

◼   ► they they are then basically told okay [TS]

◼   ► well I guess you're the magic cops but [TS]

◼   ► they're very similar very similar in [TS]

◼   ► both [TS]

◼   ► both [TS]