214: Fun is Underrated
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the incomparable number 214 October 2014
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welcome back everybody to be
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uncomfortable i'm your host Jason still
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it is an addition of our book club so I
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have called some readers together and
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what we're going to be talking about in
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this episode is a series of books with
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some light spoilers but we are going to
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blow the spoiler horn and then we'll
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tell you when you can come back later
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late to find out what we're reading but
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a series of books they're currently four
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novels in this series the the series is
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called the expanse the author is James
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sa Corey who is not a person because
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it's actually two guys Daniel Abraham
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anti-french the protomolecule he's
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saying that it's not really no
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oh and the the novels are Leviathan
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wakes caliban's war avignon skate and
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cebolla burn some of us have read all of
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them some of some red sort of one of
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them and one ish and in between so I I
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guess I mean between i read three plus
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of them i'm reading the fourth one now
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anyway I really fun series we recommend
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it highly we'll talk about it a little
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bit before we blow the spoiler horn off
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and joining me when I say we I mean Dan
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Moore and welcome back
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dan I'm back it's so good to be back
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yes I i mean i'm on a podcast with you
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every week but not these turn on the
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uncomfortable back here yes it's good to
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have you back here back among friends
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yes exactly not like wait a second
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you're not like that other 1i I'm saying
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that my podcast I constantly try to get
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usurped alright fair enough
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good point David lower as well hello
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hello there and of course it would not
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be a book club episode except for the
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ones we do about Stephen King novels and
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things without Scott multi hello or
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harry potter or in the direction it
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would not be perfect but i don't even
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consider those real book club episodes
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because they don't feature Scott McNulty
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well that's what those are booked
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episodes not really properly in the book
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club do any episodes feature Scott
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McNulty I don't think so
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I know although they might listen to you
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talk and talk and talk on your own
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random track podcast and I think why
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doesn't he speak on the incompetent
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lemme answer is he feels no need it's
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going fine I'll just sit here and enjoy
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your listening to the podcast I have to
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speak the only two people on that other
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guests so if i don't see you and your
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the whole of it that would be a great
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podcast by the way if you just invited
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somebody on and then didn't say ne
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welcome to see the latest episode of
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silence with Scott me tell me where we
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sit quietly for 45 minutes and think
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about what we've done be an easy edit
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that would be good
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so the experience I you know this is a
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really interesting series in that it is
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it has already been picked up as a
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10-episode season on the SyFy channel so
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this as the expanse not as Leviathan
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wakes and we talked if that entitle
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sounds familiar episode 96 of the
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incomparable space fedora which was the
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2012 Hugo or dominis included Leviathan
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wakes which was nominated for the hugo
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this is a this is a would-be faith fair
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to call this a space opera kind of
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series do you think i give it an excited
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that you know I i was thinking about
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this is I've been reading them because
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generally when I think space opera I
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think sweeping galactic adventures not
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to spoil anything so I want any but the
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the bulk of these happen within the
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yeah but there's a lot of moving around
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a lot of plants are involved so I was I
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was trying to think of what it I mean
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it's certainly space opera like solar
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system holiday ask can we call the space
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operetta I like it that sauce that's how
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much for just the planet I space i think
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i think solar system opera perhaps
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because it is it the idea here is that
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people are going you know between Mars
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and Earth and the outer planets and and
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moons of jupiter and saturn and the
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asteroid belt and they've got different
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spaceships and they're different
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factions and and that's from the very
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that's the setting of of these novels
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and and so it's not quite super wide
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screen of we walking but you know across
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the entire galaxy but definitely it's
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it's got the it's got that though if you
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keep in mind that the name of the series
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the expanse yeah it makes you wonder
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night you might think that's going to
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need that blends pulls back at some
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point we'll we'll we'll get to that but
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that's actually one of the interesting
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things about the construction of the
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series is a series so the story is Scott
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my to dan did you read Leviathan wakes
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for that part for that podcast i did not
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i read it later on i read a month or two
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ago so we read that for that episode
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that because it was a hugo nominee and
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it's a good book i didn't quite the
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perspective i have on it now is very
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different because now I think of it as
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like the first season or whatever of
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this you know that this book series
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which is every June it seems these guys
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put out a new book in this series and
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they seem fairly maybe they're wrong
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yeah well it takes two guys to write a
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book this long at once a year but I like
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that about it and it and now having read
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three and a half of them it is it is a
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series so you can jump in with Leviathan
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wakes and I just my opinion of it has
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changed now that I realized what I was
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reading what sort of started this larger
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epic instead of the sort of you know
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science fiction novel that I thought it
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was that was smaller
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I'm not small scale but not quite the
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same as being part of a giant series so
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i guess i don't remember from that
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episode and remember folks on that
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episode what people thought of it was
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there anything you say it was ok for you
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you were not so that's good you look
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like you don't remember I don't remember
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any pockets on either so you're enough
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so I mean did you said it was ok but you
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didn't see i loved it i thought it was
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the best book I've read in knots in fact
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i will take an unpopular position right
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now and say that I enjoyed it much more
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than I enjoyed ancillary justice which I
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know everybody all out
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wow it was nice talking too much you
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need to get out of the house more
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Scott Scott is not wrong often but you
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no it no don't say that it doesn't ever
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have that like I just I'm just enjoying
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this too much I didn't even think ID
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with the clients and wakes was the best
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of the hugo nominated well well among
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others was in that guy group and that
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that was the best of
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them but Leviathan wakes was good that I
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i like that in fact I I think maybe I
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voted like 2nd and 3rd but it is good
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and no space for that the clever thing
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about Leviathan wakes and actually damn
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one of the reasons i bet you like it is
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one of the characters one of the two
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characters that is in Leviathan wakes is
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this a detective with a hat space
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detective with his baby dora does have a
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hat and I know you like that kind of nor
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detective things and this is like a
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space noir detective story there's a
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girl she's missing detective Miller
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needs to find her
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of course there in the outer planets but
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uh but you've got that she's shooters
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she's a rich girl but she's gone missing
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and and they don't really know what's
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going on there and then meanwhile
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there's this uh this pilot who's who
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whoo he and his crew have a different
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set of adventures and they kind of go
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back and forth and in your messages over
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time the stories come to ya-ya the
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politics of this of the setting and of
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this book are fascinating to because
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you've got these is a multipolar solar
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system you've got Earth and Mars and the
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outer planets who are trying to exert
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themselves as independent as well and so
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you've got that as the backdrop and then
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you've got these individual people who
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are just like trying to get get on and
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do their jobs whether onna on a colony
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or they're flying a ship and then of
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course what happens in Leviathan wakes
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is that something something crazy
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happens that is you know is it is an
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alien it's unknown there's kind of a you
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know a discovery that's made about you
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know without spoiling it too much
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something you know state they discover
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something crazy and that leads to a
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whole bunch of other complications on
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top of it it and in some ways to me
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anyways that too is like the least
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compelling part of the story like it
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gets interesting and it is a catalyst
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but i think the things that i really
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enjoyed about this the first book and
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about the series in general are the
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depictions of the politics like they do
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a very very good job of spelling out why
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all these different factions believe the
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things they do and how they come into
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conflict and what happens when they
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bounce off each other and most
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importantly of all the characters which
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to me felt like people rather than so
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many science fiction books I
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read where the characters especially
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with this current fascination of science
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fiction books that takes place so far in
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the future that people are basically
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unrecognizable as people and i find that
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out for have a hard time relating to
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those whereas these get they talk like
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people they talk like you know ordinary
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folks they have motivations that are
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recognizable it's not all just you know
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talking about the unity of getting
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fascinating bogged down in the science
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fictiony details of it all
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so i found that to be a really enjoyable
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experience but Miller is nor I mean he
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isn't nor detective he just got just
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with a girl it is he's a recognizable
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character not only as a as a
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twentieth-century in fact character
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trope but also as a character with
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motivations of his own
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well I'm Jim Holden is a paladin if you
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wanted not here's a do-gooder he is I
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kind of thought of him as like a James
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Kirk yeah yeah it'll be even more he's
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even more moral in some ways than Kirk
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right like he has it really is the key
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is lawful good you know he's got that
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whole thing was like I'm just gonna tell
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everybody everything and i'm going to be
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like totally painfully good about some
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things and it does make him a rather
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simplistic character times but they
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really dive into that subsequently in
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terms of how he acts which i find
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yeah I was gonna say i really like that
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it that it is that sort of blend of
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these very familiar kind of things like
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Star Trek and war and and or even like
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James Kirk as if he were in firefly
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almost writes a little more beaten up
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right but i like that it that it sort of
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spun off from there and became its own
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thing and you know when when space
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fedora you know I listen to that and you
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know and at that point I was still
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burned down on syfy because there's
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there's a long stretch where I just read
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so much and I was just tired of it no
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more sci-fi and so I didn't you know I
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listen to it to all the podcast and
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didn't pick up any the box Mikey so when
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I picked this up i really liked the
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world-building of it too is it was just
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fascinating and and it feels lived-in
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the way a lot of sci-fi doesn't these
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days you know they've clearly put a lot
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of thought into what it would be like in
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this place in this place in this place
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in this place and how the people are
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reacting and how they've changed by
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being so far apart i really enjoy that
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so you know yes I've read the first one
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I'm going to keep reading them all right
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away it its it's funny i read the first
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one liked it and knew that they were
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discovered that it was a series and I
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thought well I'll get back to that and
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then like this last I don't know three
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months ago or something I thought oh
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that this thing got picked up as a
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series i like that book let's let's uh
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well but but if at the time you only had
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the one book to go on that makes sense
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whereas i'm coming to it with ya there
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three more books there's two developers
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and there's a series i think there was a
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second book just out when we recorded
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that episode and ok you know and I
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actually get one of the perils of being
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a Huguenot nominee reader is that if
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booked one of a series gets nominated
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you wait for the next year's nominees
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assuming that you'll read it then and I
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didn't get nominated
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so I I sort of lost track of it and that
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little while that's like secrets of the
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people who who follow these nominees
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list surround is sometimes you're like
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yeah it'll get nominated next year
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like I'm not going to rush out and buy
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the next mirror grant book because it's
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just gonna get nominated next year and I
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can't really decide if the only reason
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that I'm not buying the experience yeah
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that's it that's the only race right
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I you know maybe Erika can give us a
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letter us her copy i did buy a copy of
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the second book caliban's war is at the
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yes uh but i just sent myself because I
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mean I like the first book don't get me
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wrong i think it's it was a lot of fun
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and I enjoyed it and I certainly would
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read more but I have a lot of other
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stuff that ring so it just wasn't on the
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list and then jason said hey let's do a
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pocket about it so I took it down and
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read it and then I immediately read the
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first one and then everything you read
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the fourth one and then I was like other
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sometimes Novelis I read all of them
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neuro so this is a this is a big it's a
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compelling narrative right leg and that
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is a thing but like I read the second
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book was on vacation and I you know
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another thing that this that this series
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has going for it that I don't get five
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feel like the last science fiction these
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days is it's funny I was sitting on a
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dock reading it and laughing out loud
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yeah just pretty rare for uh for a book
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to get me this especially one that is
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it turns out like you know he's wearing
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he's smart he's that but like this
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holster that he's got a whole sort of
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indestructible or around you're making
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some ways but not these like you know it
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walked so David how do you want to like
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pump stick your fingers in your ears and
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home for a while
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no I'm i have i've read up on the shape
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of the Lord so I'm don't know okay so
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told i told my wife this was about
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70-percent through I said you know you
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really series and they move on and even
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if there's some new characters in common
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they don't like talk about they don't
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spend time going
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like a yeah I remember him while he's
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dead that's too bad they invited like
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just move on and you very rarely have
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people like even and even in Game of
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Thrones they don't do this they don't do
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like let's sit and remember how great a
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guy Ned Stark was right no he's dead
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we've moved on spoiling for Game of
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Thrones by the way what are you doing
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pay attention am I and uh I so i said i
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said to her i said to Lauren I really
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like that they keep managing on Miller
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that bastard you know he did this and I
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wish Miller we're here to ask in this
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thing and the whole time I'm thinking
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that's actually kind of cool i haven't
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seen a book do that because he's dead
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and then the very last seen on the very
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last page of that book Miller appears
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and and says to hold in ya back
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fuck what yeah that is well that's yeah
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that is a great woman moment and I
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definitely laughed and thomas jane is
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playing Miller in the series and I keep
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thinking are they debated the cast him
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you're gonna be in season one we're
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gonna kill you you're going to not be in
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most of season two but then you're going
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to be back for the rest here although
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it's just metres you
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he seems way too young and way too
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handsome to play Miller based on like my
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way out here but it's TV
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well put a hand on him quite quite
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honestly and he said he's a he's a
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belter so he's supposedly got like a big
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head and all that which you know for TV
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that's just going to be regular people
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idea i don't know about you I just cast
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are our former colleague Dan Miller is
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Miller honest haha older ladies are like
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he's gonna have he's gonna get heard
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I don't see you he's I'd watch that show
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at the end Miller is his Miller
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detective Dan Miller so I that nobody
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who nobody knows Dan except for us but
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yeah I I cast him i just decided he was
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gonna pick some cherries were detected
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business but but he's weak comes back in
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and that that blew me away and and in
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the second book we realize that the the
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protomolecule is doing something
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interesting on Venus and it you know it
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becomes clear by the end of that book
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that we've sort of just gotten in the
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way of machine a molecular machine that
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is doing something an alien machine is
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doing something that we just don't even
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know what it is and people are officer
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all again great character the whole book
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she's basically thinking okay there's
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two things going on here
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that I have to balance one is we have
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lots of politics that could be very
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important and two is theirs in giant
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alien machine down under the clouds and
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Venus that could be building something
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that will kill us all and I i got think
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about that a little bit or try not to
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think about it and i really liked that
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too that there's that like the stuff we
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can control as humans and and also the
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feeling that we may be in deep trouble
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very much like Game of Thrones actually
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it's a are the White Walkers if you want
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you to do me a looming it's like there's
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a looming threat to all humanity and
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your humanity still squabbling with
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yeah like yeah thanks what else at any
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other any of things about the second
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book of us are Allah is such a great
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character that and the enemy and the
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marine who's my name Bobby paper Bobby
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those are my two favorite characters so
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great are also really good yeah I like
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her too and I was said that they were in
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the next book that is my second I mean
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that the second book is my favorite of
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the series I just I really like I agree
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with that I i like the other 2i like the
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rest of them too but i think the second
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book doesn't particularly stand out to
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me because I mean it tells the most into
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the politics aspect and I think that's
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where this series is at its strongest is
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what it's doing sort of the political
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yeah I'll ok so the third book is
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Abaddon is gate which I which are also i
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mean i like all these books this one's
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got a different feeling because this is
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Jim Holden is now being like haunted by
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by Miller and what we realize is that
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that this what is it like blue firefly
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glow which is like the hint of the
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protomolecule that that whatever the
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alien creature is or alien machine that
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is that it has has gone down to Venus
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and built this ring and set it outside
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of Neptune's orbit or Uranus or but I
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guess is a trying to communicate with
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him for some reason except through
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Miller and and you don't really know
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whether Holden is just totally crazy I
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mean you get the sense that he come on
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he's not really crazy the blue glow
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means something there's aliens at work
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here but it holds on enough
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just to make you wonder if maybe he's
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just actually crazy
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I it is a complicated situation and this
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is it gets interesting because you know
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as you see the development of this piece
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of alien machinery and it becomes clear
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that the the whole this is the whole
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purpose is like the endgame in some ways
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now at the end I middle game of the
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protomolecule is is building something
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which turns out to be getting as the
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book's title might suggest yeah it turns
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out to be this this ring that goes into
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somewhere else and it's like a Stargate
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basically and where it goes is to like
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the lobby of the galaxy which is a whole
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bunch of rings all of them off
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strangely and a space station which will
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end and that's so so much of this book
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is surprisingly we talk about books in
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the same series with the same characters
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feeling totally different
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Abaddon's gate it is small in the way
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that uh that the previous book caliban's
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war is big cabins words about ships
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going into and out of the inner and
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outer solar system and transferring
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people from here there and like big like
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chess moves on a solar system scale
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heaven's gate is about people in close
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quarters because in the gate lobby area
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there's a speed limit you can't go very
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everybody is sort of like limited with
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what they can do a lot of it takes place
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on one giant but one spaceship and it's
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about people in corridors fighting room
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to room and then Jim Holden separately
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goes to the space station and has like
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his own personal end of 2001 moment for
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an extended period of time where he's
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trying to communicate with the alien
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whatever it is and yet this is the book
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that I thought it is kind of it is a
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smaller story but it is the book that
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transforms into a space opera because
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now they have giant alien artifact ya
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doing who-knows-what and there you know
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trying to figure out this plus dealing
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with all the squabbling because they
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still don't stop squabbling even though
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they you know they go through this don't
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know where they are they go through this
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ring everybody they don't want to go
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through the ring but the beginning you
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a little kid stupidly did ruin video and
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ruins it creates his own spaceship but
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slingshots himself through and then
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everybody all hell breaks loose
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yeah i thought was fascinating how it
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kind of turned the tone is the same but
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the the setting and kind of it just
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expands the setting and this this is the
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book where you're like oh IC turns out
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now that we're in book 3 what we've
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actually been looking at is the setup
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for Humanity being able to have access
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to this wider wider universe but wider
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set of galaxies and Eric hour or more
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solar systems within our galaxy because
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you know obviously they're going to be
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able to turn on these rings and there's
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a new moment where we're holding kind of
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communes with the intelligence that runs
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which is it is never said to be an alien
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it's like a machine intelligence that
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that has been the caretaker of the space
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station and this this transfer point
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this this Lobby and it's basically ATM
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in the galaxies lobby and you playback
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what's happened and that's that
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I mean talk about space off right that's
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the moment of grand galaxy-spanning
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civilization built this entire thing and
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then there's a mysterious other force
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that attacks it and it you know that
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civilization falls and they close off
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all the gates and that's just sort of
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that tidbit they're like wow what
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happened we're late to the party here
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that the z3 there's any even more
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ominous threat that killed off the
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ominous threat yes desolation which is a
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nice moment I mean it reminded me of
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some of the stuff and if anybody's
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played the game mass effect has a has
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sort of a similar galaxy-spanning you
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know threat approach in there and I
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really dug that I dug that the I think
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it's incredibly clever the way they came
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up with how this you know how this
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machine deals with threats are things
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that perceives as threats for example
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this whole deal with like when you're
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inside the gate in the lobby and it's
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just decides not nothing can move faster
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than like 30 miles an hour
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yeah and all the sudden everything that
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is moving faster and all that stuff they
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all those ships are moving faster
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it's space that's one does just grind to
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a halt and it really like kills people
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and like but like not in a way that's
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malicious just in a way that's like oh
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yeah you are all going too fast now and
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I thought that the changing of physics
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and stuff like that as a defense
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mechanism i thought was incredibly
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clever and I i really enjoyed that I
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enjoyed that even you know I sort of to
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get back to the point about the
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characters acting very human even the
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the antagonists in that book are acting
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in a way that is somewhat believable you
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know out of fear
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essentially what is your there's a lot
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of antagonism from all of many of these
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books where the bad guys are essentially
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people who just have a difference of
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opinion there's a classic a classic like
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wanting to be wanting to be worldly or
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wanting to turn in on yourself and be
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isolationist in that moment that happens
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where it's like we've been we've been
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shown the possibility of the galaxy all
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these gates that maybe we could open and
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travel elsewhere and some people are
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like oh cool let's do that and other
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people like no no burn it with fire run
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get out get out and that you know that's
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because they're both motivated by the
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same set of I mean the same set of data
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is there and some of them are motivated
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in a very different way than others
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unless you have some of the characters
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are interested about you know going
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through others are worried more about
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what can come through
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yes and I got that is your practical
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practical concerns you know it'sit's but
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then holding just opens them anyway so I
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guess this is what he that's what he
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does but it's interesting because it's
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never always there's a lot of here both
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other characters and never to the book
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that often considers maybe that's not
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actually the best approach
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alright in particular you know like a
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Vassar Allah has a whole thing with him
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where it's just like I just can't tell
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everybody everything how this is your
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really really don't and that's one of my
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favorite moments all the books which is
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just like you're an idiot
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yep but you know and and bad stuff
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happens often when he makes the music he
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starts like three wars within the first
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yeah yeah he's yeah at times he reminds
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me of Captain Kirk at times he reminds
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me of Malcolm Reynolds from from firefly
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where he's yeah he's a he's a good guy
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but uh sometimes he does stuff it's like
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was good why doing that he's good to the
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point of naivete almost except he is
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kind of savvy you know like there are
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generally indications that he is he's
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smart and knows you know what he's doing
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but at the same time he's a blunt
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instrument right like yeah that's he has
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kind of you know everything looks like a
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nail to him and I think I think maybe
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philosophically he also believes that
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that everything is a nail in the end
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yeah and then and then it so it's like
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he realizes that it's messy but he
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doesn't really believe that it's it's
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not the right thing to do even if it's
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even if it's messy there there is a nice
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moment and i believe it's in is it in in
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caliban's war where yes caliban's war
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because he starts to internalise a lot
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of the same sort of cynicism and
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negativity that Miller is paused and his
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crew really gets turned off and his his
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girlfriend basically kicked him out of
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their cabin and leaves the ship and he
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has to do some reassessment of who he is
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and and how he's acting because they're
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basically like hey you're no longer
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acting like that idealistic jackass that
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now you're just a jackass so that off
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that it like you're not the guy that
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shoots everybody you're the one that
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talks everybody out of shooting
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yeah yeah and then Miller appears
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intervention just to get him but uh I i
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liked you know not only do i like that
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that scope of of the space opera that's
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introduced inhabitants cape that this is
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this galaxy spanning civilization and
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there's a thread and they're all these
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gates and humanity has a chance to
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explore further because that one of the
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subplots of all three books is that the
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Mormons have tried to build this big
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dan what are you reading she's like to
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well what the hell that I read before
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David are you ready
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what have you been reading while the
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war by George man with two ends and it's
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he's really caught the character and I
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Leviathan wakes so I'm kind of curious
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to see how it wraps on but I'm liking it
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all right now I know you love tie-in
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novels too well the eye from your eyes
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all right Scott what what have you been
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reading lately that you recommend i get
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so many books that i read because you
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tell me to read them
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so what tell me what to read scott well
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as i was reading the expense i tweeted
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about this book earlier today actually
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it made me think of this series the
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paradox trilogy that i read that's by
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Rachel bak i read it sometime early this
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trilogy fortunes pawn honors night and
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heavens queen and luckily for me I
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woman is the the main character and
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specific skills but she gets mixed up in
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that's protecting the universe
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always nice to read the sign switching
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book that has a female lead
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damn what are you reading
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books this year and I just remembered
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that I don't like that reads page 0 but
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normal so ironically enough the book i
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which sort of ease me into it was a star
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wars book but it was written by James sa
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Corey oh yeah I'm honor among thieves
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which is a han Solo book that takes
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place after star after a new hope it was
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was in good enough that it made me check
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out what else was under the name James
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sa Corey and I was like oh I think Scott
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like that book i should read it directly
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before that I read another actually a
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really good book that i will recommend
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called hot led Coldiron by an author
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named marimar Mel
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normal I don't know but it is a sort of
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urban fantasy book set in 1930s Chicago
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following API named Mick Oberon who is
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actually from who is actually a ferry
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it has a little bit of intrigue fantasy
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intrigued but also mobsters and yeah a
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little bit more angle to it I thought it
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very funny well written i believe there
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are more following books coming out in
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that series and i would recommend it
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Jason what are you reading oh thank you
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for asking Scott that's very kind of you
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I we're going to do a book club in a few
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weeks about this i I've read some urban
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fantasy sort of siren lung London
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falling by paul cornell and i bought the
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sequel but i haven't read it yet and I
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read the latest been an individual not
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the latest i read the next Peter Grant
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book moon over soho those are series the
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intervention paul cornell both Doctor
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Who writers both now writing urban
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fantasy about law enforcement with magic
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in London so lots of similarities lots
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of differences but both could really
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dan I know you've been you've been
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reading the peter grant i have i think i
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am up to date on it
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yeah I think you're right there's one
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come i think there's one coming out this
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fall though I think I just like four of
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them or five hours i read for and I
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think the right one is coming out this
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yeah so I read over the second it was
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really good i really like to have
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enjoyed all of river when I mean yeah
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they're quick reads and there's some
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more interesting stuff that again as it
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goes a lot of things get a little more
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complex and there was a there was a
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genuine moment when the last books when
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I was like what is going on yeah well
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it's funny I the baronage books there's
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a basically magic something happened and
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detective are young police officer ends
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up meeting this old white guy he's a
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young black police officer old white guy
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who knows magic and sort of takes him
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under his wing and explains to him that
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he's gonna maybe be a magician and it
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you know it's it's pretty cool
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london falling it's sort of like there's
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police who are investigating a crime and
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granted special magical sight and so
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they they are then basically told okay
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well I guess you're the magic cops but
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they're very similar very similar in
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really good they're both really good so
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paul cornell and Ben Aaron a bitch i
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read sherry priests book dreadknot which
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is the sequel to Boneshaker which we
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gonna that I've been taking that series
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slow but it's it's a it's called a
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clockwork century series it's a
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steampunk there's Evelyn's to answer the
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age-old question are there Zeppelin's
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their resemblance there like hijacked
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Confederate Zeppelin's it's an old
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history where the Confederate war or the
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the civil war rages for like 40 years
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characters and ever i go i just am
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trying to stretch those out but every
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time I read one I I go wow these are
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really great so Sheree priests clockwork
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century i read my real children by John
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Walton I know it's got you read that I
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didn't really like it I really loved it
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i thought it was fantastic it is not
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quite science fiction except in the idea
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woman has to make a decision and then
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decision and the very end she sort of
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remembering she's very old and she's got
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two sets of memories but really it's not
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super science fiction but it's it and
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it's very different from most books
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because she's he has to tell like to
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complete life stories so there's a lot
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of like scenes and then a lot of summary
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life in these two timelines man is good
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it's really good about your Walton so i
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also finally red tooth and claw by John
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Walton which scott recommended this is
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the most this is the book where I'm all
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the characters are dragons and they all
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wear sound like Jane Austen yeah they
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wear that hat say anywhere have you
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yes ok i remember this dragons wear hats
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they do it's very serious and I i
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started I had on my kindle for like a
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year and like dragons and I don't know
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it's great it really is great it is a
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Jane Austen novel it's ok it's like a
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comedy of manners and about the Dragons
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think you best start to think of them as
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people then my Dragon will like each
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another dragon ya and you'll be like
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alright dragon gotta drink
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it's it's it sounds ridiculous and it is
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ridiculous and yet you know what it is
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fantastic and very and very fun because
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it is in that style of coincidences and
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connections and you can see how the plot
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dragons and they are eating each other
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it's it's downloading to my kindle yeah
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it's a bit kind of the other book that
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i've been reading lately and I feel like
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I'm i can justify this because I'm I'm
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currently unemployed yeah my own book
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man damn it doesn't currently have a
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ok a lot of change everything I've
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worked on by this time is dead body if
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you send me a check scotch tonight
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copy of this book exclusive copy of this
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whoo it's coming along it's right when
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it is from the first draft that i read i
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hope so i read while i was on vacation i
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read gone girl which is you know I
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it's really good movie yeah it's gonna
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be heavy it's a really good book Gillian
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Gillian Flynn who once interviewed me
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entertainment weekly and now she's at
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best only medalist but it's a it's a
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without their twists and they're very
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interesting characters and it's it's
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read on your vacation for your 20th
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any way but it is really great so man
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don't run away i read a world of trouble
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which is the third
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and final book in the last policeman
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yeah I wish that there were books at the
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about the other years of the war because
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yeah that that's the run-up to it yeah
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it's a really good book nobody sings
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nobody sings in it by the wanker
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car crash and the fans the poor fans
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those are books books are good you
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trying i keep trying because people keep
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like him but don't love them and maybe
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great fondness for him and he's very
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different writer from neil gaiman and
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them collapse yeah it is it's weird
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there's some very funny stuff in it i
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mean there's there's definitely stuff
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where I started and I read it out loud
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