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00:00:00   mmm that was half lots of a half wookie [TS]

00:00:05   co yeah I don't know what that was that [TS]

00:00:07   went terribly wrong i guess i was going [TS]

00:00:08   wrong when i was doing it but whatever [TS]

00:00:10   the show must go on [TS]

00:00:11   what do you think of the taco [TS]

00:00:14   I think it's pretty coat i think it's a [TS]

00:00:16   very good title rogue one is a good [TS]

00:00:18   title for Star Wars movie [TS]

00:00:20   I liked it thumbs up two thumbs up for [TS]

00:00:21   the title good stop [TS]

00:00:23   yeah it's it's it's funny for me because [TS]

00:00:25   for various reasons i have been more [TS]

00:00:28   disconnected from the world than normal [TS]

00:00:30   for the past many weeks I only just [TS]

00:00:32   found out literally like days ago that [TS]

00:00:34   this star wars movie even existed and [TS]

00:00:37   was in the theaters so I I went into [TS]

00:00:40   this one knowing the words Road one and [TS]

00:00:44   vaguely what I'd heard a year ago that [TS]

00:00:45   they were going to make a movie about [TS]

00:00:46   getting the Death Star plans [TS]

00:00:48   yeah and that was that was the entire [TS]

00:00:51   extent of my knowledge like I knew more [TS]

00:00:52   about the force awakens by multiples of [TS]

00:00:56   hundreds than than this movie so I went [TS]

00:00:58   into it [TS]

00:00:59   just knowing cool title very cool title [TS]

00:01:01   and that was basically it did not saying [TS]

00:01:03   trailers or anything or I hadn't seen [TS]

00:01:06   trailers I hadn't seen posters is [TS]

00:01:08   somehow this one totally blew past me [TS]

00:01:12   yeah and the only thing I knew about it [TS]

00:01:14   was was last year hearing about their [TS]

00:01:16   plan to do and in between sewed kind of [TS]

00:01:20   a movie every year as opposed to their [TS]

00:01:22   main one so that was it i knew i knew [TS]

00:01:24   nothing walking into the Star Wars movie [TS]

00:01:25   nice work i managed to remain reasonably [TS]

00:01:28   spoiler-free thank goodness and as of [TS]

00:01:30   now i'm also very very review and [TS]

00:01:34   opinion free [TS]

00:01:35   mmm i do not have reasonably positive [TS]

00:01:38   reviews raised me positive but I don't [TS]

00:01:40   know what people have liked to not like [TS]

00:01:41   to what people have said so things we [TS]

00:01:44   say that we might think of profound may [TS]

00:01:46   have been set of thousand times before [TS]

00:01:47   or we may find something amazing thing [TS]

00:01:49   that no one's ever said before but [TS]

00:01:51   knowing the sort of star wars ii podcast [TS]

00:01:53   few things I think we're all going to be [TS]

00:01:54   saying the same things that everyone [TS]

00:01:55   else says yeah if if if last year's Star [TS]

00:01:58   Wars Christmas special was anything to [TS]

00:02:00   go by what we regard ourselves from [TS]

00:02:03   listening to all sorts of reviews not [TS]

00:02:05   only to discover after recording our [TS]

00:02:06   podcast and listening to everybody [TS]

00:02:08   else's that there was a very strong [TS]

00:02:10   consensus opinion [TS]

00:02:12   yeah i feel i feel a little bit more [TS]

00:02:14   more nervous going into this podcast [TS]

00:02:17   having not looked out into the wider [TS]

00:02:19   world and seeing what people think of [TS]

00:02:21   the movie because I feel like I have [TS]

00:02:23   much stronger opinions in particular [TS]

00:02:26   ways for this one really i'm a little [TS]

00:02:28   actually feeling a little bit like I [TS]

00:02:29   don't know how my reactions to what are [TS]

00:02:33   going to match up with the wider world [TS]

00:02:35   reactions on the barbecue area to see if [TS]

00:02:37   it repeats that shouldn't matter grey I [TS]

00:02:39   shouldn't matter you should be fiercely [TS]

00:02:40   independent [TS]

00:02:41   youyou strong independent minded cgpgrey [TS]

00:02:44   never a shape [TS]

00:02:46   why you nervous about how your opinion [TS]

00:02:48   compares with us I don't know I guess I [TS]

00:02:49   guess nervous isn't exactly the right [TS]

00:02:51   word but it's just i'm looking at like a [TS]

00:02:54   big page of notes and i have a bunch of [TS]

00:02:56   strong opinions and it's just [TS]

00:02:58   interesting to see like I'm gonna get a [TS]

00:02:59   ton of feedback from people saying that [TS]

00:03:01   I'm totally wrong or is or is it going [TS]

00:03:03   to be just like oh yes you have you have [TS]

00:03:05   the same thoughts as everybody else like [TS]

00:03:07   last year I don't know it's just kind of [TS]

00:03:09   a funny thing to to be going into this [TS]

00:03:12   with i think that that kind of like I [TS]

00:03:14   have no idea what anybody else thought [TS]

00:03:16   about it i literally just saw it it came [TS]

00:03:19   out of the theater like a couple hours [TS]

00:03:21   ago from my notes viewing of the movie [TS]

00:03:25   and so now we are we are walking into [TS]

00:03:27   the recording i have 22 tiny little [TS]

00:03:30   bullet points that I made on my iphone [TS]

00:03:31   during the film so they're roughly in [TS]

00:03:33   order are basically because I made them [TS]

00:03:34   as the film went on and I made them on a [TS]

00:03:36   checklist app that i never i don't use [TS]

00:03:38   for anything other than the podcast i [TS]

00:03:42   have 22 things to say [TS]

00:03:44   maybe but I imagine it's going to be a [TS]

00:03:45   lot of duplication and also i mentioned [TS]

00:03:49   some of them are either going to be so [TS]

00:03:50   badly tight or I'm not gonna remember [TS]

00:03:52   what they made because i haven't read it [TS]

00:03:53   back yet so let's see how we go alright [TS]

00:03:56   let's see how we go where do we start [TS]

00:03:58   well I guess I guess [TS]

00:04:01   don't we have to do the thing that you [TS]

00:04:03   always want to do which is brady you [TS]

00:04:05   have to you have to give your your [TS]

00:04:07   overall opinion and feeling of the movie [TS]

00:04:09   yeah I don't think that we need to do [TS]

00:04:11   this but I feel like isn't that what we [TS]

00:04:13   always have to do this feels like the [TS]

00:04:14   Brady rule for discussing movies it is [TS]

00:04:16   kind of a tradition and I do think it's [TS]

00:04:18   useful but i was thinking of doing it [TS]

00:04:21   your way for once in giving your one-off [TS]

00:04:23   exemption [TS]

00:04:24   but but I i think it does help and maybe [TS]

00:04:27   it is a tradition [TS]

00:04:28   hmm ok so it's funny that you wanted to [TS]

00:04:31   do with the reverse way because you [TS]

00:04:35   finally prepared for know is it's not [TS]

00:04:37   that I was prepared for it it's not that [TS]

00:04:39   I was prepared for it because i think [TS]

00:04:41   most of the time my way is better [TS]

00:04:42   hmm i but but that's you know that's [TS]

00:04:46   going to be the title of your [TS]

00:04:47   autobiography my way is better at the [TS]

00:04:51   cgpgrey story but this one time I feel [TS]

00:04:55   like I can't walk through the movie and [TS]

00:04:58   talk about it without having the overall [TS]

00:05:01   framework in place I feel like that [TS]

00:05:03   conversation would almost be a a silly [TS]

00:05:05   pointless conversation so i think i'm [TS]

00:05:08   going to press very hard with we should [TS]

00:05:10   give our opinions at the beginning [TS]

00:05:11   because I don't know how to talk about [TS]

00:05:12   this otherwise i love it I love it [TS]

00:05:15   alright and so Brady I want to know what [TS]

00:05:19   is your high-level take away from rogue [TS]

00:05:22   one how do you feel about it i thought i [TS]

00:05:27   was gonna love it [TS]

00:05:28   Lou and I feel surprisingly indifferent [TS]

00:05:33   about it who I thought I just sort of [TS]

00:05:36   thing man [TS]

00:05:38   it was it was just like a good movie it [TS]

00:05:41   was a good movie it was well done [TS]

00:05:43   I there were lots of things I liked [TS]

00:05:44   about it it was well-executed I'd be [TS]

00:05:46   very proud of myself if I'd made it ok [TS]

00:05:49   but it was just like for various reasons [TS]

00:05:52   that will touch on it didn't like [TS]

00:05:54   grabbed me it didn't it didn't it it [TS]

00:05:57   roused very little emotion in me and the [TS]

00:05:59   way that even a force the force awakens [TS]

00:06:01   did that mean i'm back i got very [TS]

00:06:03   emotional about that film but this was [TS]

00:06:05   just kind of I just sort of felt like [TS]

00:06:07   watching it was little bit of a chore [TS]

00:06:09   who and it was nice [TS]

00:06:11   there are lots of there are lots of good [TS]

00:06:12   things and you know I couldn't possibly [TS]

00:06:15   give it a thumbs down because it's a [TS]

00:06:18   good film but I just [TS]

00:06:20   but i'm not gonna give it like a big [TS]

00:06:21   thumbs up I mean I a good test was are [TS]

00:06:23   sore on my own little my wife doesn't [TS]

00:06:25   mind style was movies and she was a bit [TS]

00:06:27   jealous that I was going to get together [TS]

00:06:28   and say it without her cause she was at [TS]

00:06:30   work and I said to her and this is what [TS]

00:06:33   happened with force awakens to i watch [TS]

00:06:34   that with her as well because of the [TS]

00:06:36   same reason but I [TS]

00:06:37   tresor I said we've got to see it and [TS]

00:06:39   the next night we went to work together [TS]

00:06:40   when she came home from work with this [TS]

00:06:42   one and she said so what was rode one [TS]

00:06:43   like you know am I gonna go on say it [TS]

00:06:45   with you my answer was I think you can [TS]

00:06:48   probably wait [TS]

00:06:49   hmm I wouldn't rush out to see it this [TS]

00:06:52   is gonna be like a you watch it on [TS]

00:06:54   Netflix sometime kind of movie [TS]

00:06:55   yeah yeah so so it could have been far [TS]

00:07:00   worse you know we all we all know we all [TS]

00:07:03   know what happens when a star wars movie [TS]

00:07:04   goes wrong the radio we all know how bad [TS]

00:07:07   it could be and that and that definitely [TS]

00:07:09   didn't happen right but my overall [TS]

00:07:12   feeling is some good stuff some very [TS]

00:07:15   good stuff actually few things I can't [TS]

00:07:16   wait to talk about some things that I [TS]

00:07:18   thought mr. mark was an important things [TS]

00:07:20   I think miss the mark who [TS]

00:07:22   but solid if they make one of these [TS]

00:07:25   every second year i'll go watch em and i [TS]

00:07:27   think that i don't think they could I do [TS]

00:07:30   think it sort of you just dragging down [TS]

00:07:32   Style Wars a whole little bit for my [TS]

00:07:34   liking but that's just me being me who [TS]

00:07:36   and being an old grump better if they [TS]

00:07:40   have to if they have to make them and [TS]

00:07:42   they keep making them at this level [TS]

00:07:43   I'm okay with that interesting [TS]

00:07:46   interesting Brady mm so that feels like [TS]

00:07:50   a at an overall like it [TS]

00:07:53   tepid enjoyment is that is that what I'm [TS]

00:07:55   getting from you that's not unfair it's [TS]

00:07:57   like it's not a big vertical thumbs up [TS]

00:08:00   right [TS]

00:08:00   it's not a thumbs down right it's kind [TS]

00:08:02   of a thumb pointing at about eight or [TS]

00:08:05   ten o'clock on the clock because you're [TS]

00:08:09   turning this binary scale into actually [TS]

00:08:11   a rotational scale right that's what's [TS]

00:08:13   occurring there [TS]

00:08:14   yeah i'm using your thumbs up thumbs [TS]

00:08:16   down in my way right and i'm just [TS]

00:08:18   picturing all the teams at home right [TS]

00:08:19   now holding up their family pointing at [TS]

00:08:21   about ten o'clock yeah okay I see what [TS]

00:08:23   he means if you're doing it i can see [TS]

00:08:26   you there you go [TS]

00:08:30   did you do it I didn't do it reading now [TS]

00:08:32   and why would I be doing your thumbs up [TS]

00:08:36   and 45 or at ten o'clock i don't [TS]

00:08:38   understand why would be doing that where [TS]

00:08:40   does your thumb point on this great give [TS]

00:08:41   me your big picture [TS]

00:08:44   ok so big picture [TS]

00:08:46   I have to say that what i really liked [TS]

00:08:49   and what I kept feeling throughout the [TS]

00:08:51   movie was I enjoy this universe and I [TS]

00:08:56   really enjoy this star wars universe and [TS]

00:09:00   unlike the really terrible movies I felt [TS]

00:09:03   like rode one is a movie that is so [TS]

00:09:05   clearly in the star wars universe as it [TS]

00:09:09   is in my head all of the sets look great [TS]

00:09:12   all of the costume design looks great [TS]

00:09:14   all of the physical items and props and [TS]

00:09:17   like everything that they're doing it [TS]

00:09:18   just looks Star Wars it feels Star Wars [TS]

00:09:21   it sounds like Star Wars and I'm sitting [TS]

00:09:23   there in the theater thinking where I [TS]

00:09:26   really just I love this universe like [TS]

00:09:28   this universe is burned into my brain [TS]

00:09:30   but I i have to say i thought this movie [TS]

00:09:36   was just like a disaster as mess I i'm [TS]

00:09:39   not a fan [TS]

00:09:41   I have to say I really really it's not [TS]

00:09:45   that I didn't like it is not like oh [TS]

00:09:47   what a terrible movie it but it's just [TS]

00:09:49   this word is the word that keeps coming [TS]

00:09:51   into my mind like it's a sloppy mess [TS]

00:09:54   there's just as much as like oh I want [TS]

00:09:58   to see a bunch of Star Wars stuff and [TS]

00:09:59   that is that is like great [TS]

00:10:00   it also felt like there's just Star Wars [TS]

00:10:03   junk all over the place where where's [TS]

00:10:05   ipping all over the universe were going [TS]

00:10:08   to all of these different locations [TS]

00:10:10   I understand what's happening but [TS]

00:10:12   there's just too much going on there [TS]

00:10:13   isn't like a clear story line heading [TS]

00:10:15   heading through it and it just it's a [TS]

00:10:18   mess like I think that that's that's my [TS]

00:10:20   my like blurb on the movie poster like [TS]

00:10:22   Star Wars road one it's a mess like [TS]

00:10:25   that's that's how it feels to be [TS]

00:10:26   watching it and so I feel like I saw the [TS]

00:10:28   movie last night for the first time and [TS]

00:10:29   I always like to just watch a movie and [TS]

00:10:32   have let it wash over me and then I saw [TS]

00:10:34   it this morning to take some notes on [TS]

00:10:37   some particular things and and to pay [TS]

00:10:39   attention to some of the scenes that I [TS]

00:10:40   was thinking about from last night and I [TS]

00:10:42   just feel totally reconfirmed in my my [TS]

00:10:44   takeaway like it's just it's just a mess [TS]

00:10:47   it feels like i don't know maybe that [TS]

00:10:49   maybe the scriptures was rushed or I [TS]

00:10:51   don't know what it is but it just it [TS]

00:10:53   doesn't hold together for me as [TS]

00:10:56   as a movie and on my first watching I [TS]

00:11:00   felt completely totally uninvolved [TS]

00:11:04   emotionally throughout ninety-five [TS]

00:11:07   percent of the entire running of the [TS]

00:11:09   film that is its biggest downfall from [TS]

00:11:10   80 for the lack of emotional engagement [TS]

00:11:13   and any level of care about the [TS]

00:11:17   characters even I can't disagree with [TS]

00:11:18   you about it being a mess gray and [TS]

00:11:20   there's no better way than to realize [TS]

00:11:22   what a mess it is then to read the plot [TS]

00:11:24   summary on wikipedia and you just get [TS]

00:11:27   like I tried to read it three or four [TS]

00:11:29   times and it's just like the fact that [TS]

00:11:32   give it every one such ridiculous names [TS]

00:11:34   doesn't help [TS]

00:11:34   no but yeah you've got things like Jean [TS]

00:11:37   and/or and his reprogram Imperial Droid [TS]

00:11:39   k 2 s.o travel to Jenna where the [TS]

00:11:41   Empire's mining Kyber crystals to power [TS]

00:11:43   the superweapon Herrera and his [TS]

00:11:45   partisans are engaged in armed [TS]

00:11:46   insurgency against them with the aid of [TS]

00:11:48   a blind warrior cheer up in we and [TS]

00:11:50   mercenary Bay's Melba's gin makes [TS]

00:11:52   contact with kanima what are what [TS]

00:11:57   yeah it and they go to more places than [TS]

00:12:00   they needed to have this feeling about [TS]

00:12:02   movies that you can know what a movie is [TS]

00:12:05   like very fast right within the first [TS]

00:12:09   two scenes of the movie lots of movies [TS]

00:12:10   will have an establishing pre something [TS]

00:12:13   happening scene and so in Star Wars [TS]

00:12:15   grove won its it's the opening scene [TS]

00:12:17   about the Empire's coming to find their [TS]

00:12:19   scientists who is hiding out in Iceland [TS]

00:12:21   being a farmer which i think is a [TS]

00:12:22   terrible place to be a farmer [TS]

00:12:24   there's like this little contain story [TS]

00:12:26   and like that's good like that's fine [TS]

00:12:29   that feels like this is the start of the [TS]

00:12:30   movie but immediately after that and I [TS]

00:12:34   was just curious like I was making out a [TS]

00:12:36   little time running because I just [TS]

00:12:38   wanted to see like how did my initial [TS]

00:12:39   impressions matchup with the reality of [TS]

00:12:41   what the what the movie is and it's like [TS]

00:12:44   okay the first eight minutes are great i [TS]

00:12:47   think it's like this is a nice opening [TS]

00:12:49   for Star Wars movie it's it's clear [TS]

00:12:51   what's happening [TS]

00:12:51   the Empire is coming to take a guy who [TS]

00:12:53   doesn't want to go to build a weapon got [TS]

00:12:55   it right we're all were all fine we're [TS]

00:12:56   all on board and then I timed it in the [TS]

00:12:59   next five minutes we go to five [TS]

00:13:04   different planets and are introduced to [TS]

00:13:06   something like eight characters [TS]

00:13:09   and and that to me was watching the [TS]

00:13:12   movie for the first time I felt like oh [TS]

00:13:15   no we're in a little bit of trouble here [TS]

00:13:17   like I'm we're at the third planet that [TS]

00:13:19   has a little overlay on the bottom of [TS]

00:13:22   what the name of the place is and what [TS]

00:13:24   it is and it's like I'm following you [TS]

00:13:25   movie but i'm having a hard time [TS]

00:13:27   focusing on what is the thing that I'm [TS]

00:13:30   supposed to care about like like this is [TS]

00:13:32   the thing that i find fascinating about [TS]

00:13:34   movies why in some movies do they [TS]

00:13:37   emotionally grab you and why do some [TS]

00:13:39   other movies just completely failed to [TS]

00:13:42   grab you and I I i think that in this [TS]

00:13:45   movie the reason it fails to grab me is [TS]

00:13:48   there's just there's just too much going [TS]

00:13:50   on right at the start and it's it's hard [TS]

00:13:54   to know where to focus your mind on what [TS]

00:13:56   part of the story writer who matters era [TS]

00:14:00   well I kind of feel like I know where [TS]

00:14:02   you stand should we go through the film [TS]

00:14:04   a bit and find out why this is the case [TS]

00:14:06   let's go through the film ho ho Merry [TS]

00:14:13   Christmas [TS]

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00:14:38   thank you to our listeners and a merry [TS]

00:14:40   Christmas to you all [TS]

00:14:45   now when i was walking to the cinema [TS]

00:14:48   isn't it kind of crept up on me having [TS]

00:14:50   to say this film so I didn't have time [TS]

00:14:52   to know how I felt about it but when i [TS]

00:14:54   was walking down the hill to my little [TS]

00:14:55   local cinema I suddenly got a little [TS]

00:14:57   excited moment when I thought I can't [TS]

00:15:01   wait for that moment when I'm going to [TS]

00:15:02   be sitting in the cinema and the fanfare [TS]

00:15:04   is going to happen again and like i'm [TS]

00:15:05   going to have that feeling right and [TS]

00:15:07   then it but he didn't happen [TS]

00:15:10   they don't do it don't do it in these in [TS]

00:15:12   between films that turns out we're not [TS]

00:15:14   going to have the rousing star wars on [TS]

00:15:16   the screen and the john williams music [TS]

00:15:18   we still get a long time ago in a galaxy [TS]

00:15:20   far far away but then it just kind of [TS]

00:15:22   and then I was sweating over here comes [TS]

00:15:24   here comes here comes not know i think [TS]

00:15:28   in the long run that's probably a good [TS]

00:15:30   decision [TS]

00:15:30   yep i think that for the alternate [TS]

00:15:32   movies they don't want to get tied down [TS]

00:15:35   into having to do that exact same [TS]

00:15:37   fanfare every time [TS]

00:15:38   yeah because that there is there is much [TS]

00:15:41   we might discuss later that i would hope [TS]

00:15:43   they might do in the star wars universe [TS]

00:15:44   and I think that fanfare might not be [TS]

00:15:46   appropriate for absolutely everything [TS]

00:15:47   but I i agree with you i found it really [TS]

00:15:50   jarring and and suddenly it seemed like [TS]

00:15:52   everything was wrong in my head with [TS]

00:15:54   user with an opening thing I even [TS]

00:15:56   looking at the font of the road one like [TS]

00:15:57   I don't know everything is all wrong [TS]

00:15:58   like this is I'm a braced for a thing [TS]

00:16:01   and it's no good [TS]

00:16:02   it's started by disappointing me I even [TS]

00:16:05   here's my note written before the film [TS]

00:16:06   started i'm excited about the fan filled [TS]

00:16:09   with that feeling of excitement ever go [TS]

00:16:11   away [TS]

00:16:11   well I went away pretty quick because it [TS]

00:16:14   didn't happen style or I was a pretty [TS]

00:16:17   cool start like you said in little [TS]

00:16:19   Icelandic a place [TS]

00:16:22   no although I have to say even here [TS]

00:16:26   there was one little note that struck me [TS]

00:16:29   as a little bit wrong and confusing and [TS]

00:16:31   there's a bunch of points in the movie [TS]

00:16:32   that I think are like this where the [TS]

00:16:35   stormtroopers come in right there [TS]

00:16:36   they're looking for their scientists [TS]

00:16:38   they're searching for his daughter and [TS]

00:16:41   that they're searching around the house [TS]

00:16:42   and one of the stormtroopers bends down [TS]

00:16:44   and picks up a little storm trooper Dahl [TS]

00:16:46   which is evidence of the fact that the [TS]

00:16:47   girl was there and I remember thinking [TS]

00:16:50   like why would a fugitive from running [TS]

00:16:54   from the Empire give his daughter a [TS]

00:16:57   storm trooper Dahl to play with it was a [TS]

00:17:00   little thing that set off like a flag in [TS]

00:17:03   my mind like if this is this is going to [TS]

00:17:05   come back up later or is this just a [TS]

00:17:07   weird i don't know if i want to call it [TS]

00:17:09   a mistake but it's just a strange thing [TS]

00:17:11   it you know it's like I cannot imagine [TS]

00:17:13   someone who has been like persecuted by [TS]

00:17:16   a government giving their child a toy to [TS]

00:17:20   play with that represents that [TS]

00:17:21   government like that's that seems like a [TS]

00:17:23   really weird really weird note to land [TS]

00:17:26   on it was strange [TS]

00:17:27   it was strange whether or not that's the [TS]

00:17:29   star wars universe equivalent of toy [TS]

00:17:32   soldiers and stuff i don't know but it [TS]

00:17:34   was [TS]

00:17:34   suny by the felt like something was [TS]

00:17:36   gonna come over or felt like like the [TS]

00:17:38   worst toy placement in the history of [TS]

00:17:40   thai place isn't it great [TS]

00:17:43   also in that early saying they had the [TS]

00:17:46   blue milk obviously was will appeared [TS]

00:17:49   and like I had a little smile to myself [TS]

00:17:51   and thought I'm not gonna mind a little [TS]

00:17:53   bit of fanservice that's okay [TS]

00:17:54   little did I know how much more [TS]

00:17:56   fanservice was about to be shoved down [TS]

00:17:58   my throat in the next half an hour to an [TS]

00:18:00   hour yet to the point where I was [TS]

00:18:02   gagging on it [TS]

00:18:04   yeah please no more blue milk and sake [TS]

00:18:07   yes I i agree and end it also when we [TS]

00:18:10   were watching it's like I recognize you [TS]

00:18:12   blue milk but I'm concerned how central [TS]

00:18:15   you were in the shot [TS]

00:18:16   yeah right like it's not like oh there [TS]

00:18:18   was blue milk on the counter in the [TS]

00:18:20   background there was blue milk literally [TS]

00:18:22   obstructing the actress makes shopping [TS]

00:18:24   what she was doing for a second [TS]

00:18:26   like do you see the blue milk there is [TS]

00:18:29   blue milk in front of her we want to [TS]

00:18:30   make sure that you don't miss it [TS]

00:18:32   yeah and and yes i agree as well like [TS]

00:18:34   it's a it's an indication of what is [TS]

00:18:37   going to come and we can discuss the [TS]

00:18:39   fanservice but that is an ad one minute [TS]

00:18:41   and 37 seconds into the film so it [TS]

00:18:44   begins with the blue milk [TS]

00:18:45   yeah they're so we had a we had a [TS]

00:18:48   starting sequence and and then we had [TS]

00:18:50   the different the different music for [TS]

00:18:53   the title mhm so it sounded almost like [TS]

00:18:55   it sounded like they couldn't get the [TS]

00:18:57   rights to the style of music so they had [TS]

00:18:59   some amateur write something that sounds [TS]

00:19:01   star wars ii mhm and but it it jarred [TS]

00:19:04   like it charge of me it was like I know [TS]

00:19:06   they I know they're trying to give these [TS]

00:19:08   things their own distinctive brand and [TS]

00:19:10   say this is different from the who you [TS]

00:19:12   know the classic important trilogies but [TS]

00:19:15   it was it was almost overbearing and [TS]

00:19:18   it's different guess who [TS]

00:19:20   which was a little bit of a worry but [TS]

00:19:21   anyway we cracked on and so the film [TS]

00:19:24   began landing and the next thing I wrote [TS]

00:19:27   something you've already touched on i [TS]

00:19:29   wrote gosh there are a lot of different [TS]

00:19:31   places here and the text on the screen [TS]

00:19:33   identifying the places you know the [TS]

00:19:36   little text that came up and gave us the [TS]

00:19:38   name of the planet and even explain what [TS]

00:19:39   the planet was who was something I had [TS]

00:19:42   very mixed feelings about why mixed [TS]

00:19:45   feelings [TS]

00:19:45   my initial feeling is this is wrong [TS]

00:19:47   this is not what happens in a Star Wars [TS]

00:19:49   movie and it's funny I think I've got [TS]

00:19:51   I've got a bit of a double standard here [TS]

00:19:53   and I'm aware of it because i'm quite [TS]

00:19:55   happy to have captions when people are [TS]

00:19:57   speaking alien languages and I'm also [TS]

00:19:59   quite happy to have the role start the [TS]

00:20:01   crawl at the start of a star wars film [TS]

00:20:03   but those two things feel like I don't [TS]

00:20:05   know they feel like a special exception [TS]

00:20:06   but one of the things i like about the [TS]

00:20:08   Styles universities it's like it's not [TS]

00:20:10   there's no english language other than [TS]

00:20:12   the fact everyone speaking English right [TS]

00:20:14   there's no english language in texts [TS]

00:20:16   mmm and-and-and this felt like it was [TS]

00:20:19   breaking the rules of Star Wars by using [TS]

00:20:23   English and I was still a caption on the [TS]

00:20:24   screen it wasn't like a big street sign [TS]

00:20:26   that said welcome to hearth but it still [TS]

00:20:28   felt slightly like it was breaking the [TS]

00:20:30   rules but I have mixed feelings about it [TS]

00:20:32   because I also thought it did serve a [TS]

00:20:35   purpose and one of the real criticisms [TS]

00:20:37   of the force awakens for me as well but [TS]

00:20:39   sometimes I didn't know where I was and [TS]

00:20:41   what was going on and why this place was [TS]

00:20:43   important and the text did take away [TS]

00:20:45   that problem straightaway [TS]

00:20:47   I straightaway you the context ok this [TS]

00:20:49   is you know this is an imperial planet [TS]

00:20:51   this is a this is what's going on here [TS]

00:20:53   this is why they're here so like it did [TS]

00:20:55   serve a purpose and it saved them a lot [TS]

00:20:57   of potentially clumsy exposition who but [TS]

00:21:01   it kind of felt like cheating and it [TS]

00:21:03   kind of felt like this isn't what you do [TS]

00:21:05   in the Style Wars film [TS]

00:21:06   overall I don't know up when I came out [TS]

00:21:09   of the film i thought it was wrong and I [TS]

00:21:10   shouldn't have done that I've mellowed a [TS]

00:21:11   bit now and I'm on the fence about [TS]

00:21:13   whether it was a good or a bad thing [TS]

00:21:15   whoo-hoo ya see that text struck me as [TS]

00:21:21   immediately wrong for the same for the [TS]

00:21:23   same reason [TS]

00:21:24   mmm i thought like this is this feels so [TS]

00:21:29   unstar Wars to me it it feels really out [TS]

00:21:32   of place and it's interesting i couldn't [TS]

00:21:34   have ended down the same way you do you [TS]

00:21:36   just about the lack of the English [TS]

00:21:37   language and in the films and maybe [TS]

00:21:39   that's why it feels like it's a bit off [TS]

00:21:41   somehow but I don't like it because i [TS]

00:21:45   think almost always when this happens [TS]

00:21:47   it's a it's a weakness of the writing of [TS]

00:21:50   the movie and if they give you have to [TS]

00:21:53   lean on the on-screen here's where we [TS]

00:21:56   are here is what this thing is I feel [TS]

00:21:59   like almost always there's a better [TS]

00:22:00   way to do that yeah it mean it means [TS]

00:22:03   like your locations aren't distinct [TS]

00:22:05   enough or your character motivations [TS]

00:22:08   aren't clear enough and i think this [TS]

00:22:10   movie is a perfect example of that [TS]

00:22:12   can we go to five different planets in [TS]

00:22:14   five minutes with a whole bunch of [TS]

00:22:16   characters you couldn't think they have [TS]

00:22:19   to show you on the screen here is the [TS]

00:22:20   name of a place and here's here's what [TS]

00:22:22   it is ok next here's another place we're [TS]

00:22:24   going to go and here's what it is ok [TS]

00:22:26   next and I I just think it's like yes [TS]

00:22:28   you have to do that because you're [TS]

00:22:30   introducing so much but maybe you don't [TS]

00:22:33   have to like maybe if you write this in [TS]

00:22:36   a better way we don't have to visit all [TS]

00:22:38   of the places in the universe right at [TS]

00:22:40   the start [TS]

00:22:40   yeah I don't know if it feels like one [TS]

00:22:42   of those movies where it where they're [TS]

00:22:43   like it's a political thriller right [TS]

00:22:45   then and the show you like a skyline [TS]

00:22:47   shot of Moscow hour and it says like [TS]

00:22:48   Moscow on the bottom ya know you're [TS]

00:22:50   almost waiting for like a little sound [TS]

00:22:51   effect that they always use when the [TS]

00:22:52   letters rollout yeah it just felt really [TS]

00:22:54   it just felt really wrong [TS]

00:22:56   I didn't like it and i think [TS]

00:22:59   particularly in this movie it's like it [TS]

00:23:01   was there was so much of it that because [TS]

00:23:04   that is what this entire movie is like a [TS]

00:23:06   million pieces [TS]

00:23:08   eighty percent of which they could [TS]

00:23:09   probably do without but for some reason [TS]

00:23:11   they're going to include absolutely all [TS]

00:23:13   of them but if they didn't use it [TS]

00:23:14   without changing the script already know [TS]

00:23:16   doing major surgery on the actual story [TS]

00:23:18   I think we'd be complaining even more [TS]

00:23:20   about how confused we were about what [TS]

00:23:23   the hell was going on where everything [TS]

00:23:24   was so if they were going to stick with [TS]

00:23:26   their script then I think the text was a [TS]

00:23:28   nun for unfortunately the correct [TS]

00:23:30   decision i completely agree right if if [TS]

00:23:32   I was like the visual effects editor on [TS]

00:23:34   here and they just hand me the movie [TS]

00:23:36   it's like I am putting words on these [TS]

00:23:38   screens like we have to do this because [TS]

00:23:40   otherwise it is way worse otherwise it's [TS]

00:23:43   more confusing but I feel like those [TS]

00:23:44   words are a symptom of a more [TS]

00:23:47   fundamental problem that that's that's [TS]

00:23:50   what they're showing you there [TS]

00:23:51   yeah of course let's not forget Star [TS]

00:23:53   Wars movies I famous perfect using a [TS]

00:23:57   huge lot load of texts at the start to [TS]

00:24:00   save himself a whole lot of storytelling [TS]

00:24:02   before we get too carried away about the [TS]

00:24:04   old Star Wars films about how clever [TS]

00:24:06   they were by not using text based in [TS]

00:24:08   favor of the book before the film [TS]

00:24:09   started to bring you up to speed [TS]

00:24:11   yes I let it that is the case but I also [TS]

00:24:14   feel [TS]

00:24:14   like I think with almost all of the [TS]

00:24:16   original three movies you can blow past [TS]

00:24:19   that script and it doesn't really matter [TS]

00:24:21   tree like the first Star Wars like blah [TS]

00:24:23   blah blah some words words words like I [TS]

00:24:25   don't have any idea what the crawl say [TS]

00:24:27   yeah but who cares because we open with [TS]

00:24:29   a big mean-looking ship chasing a small [TS]

00:24:32   ship and a guy in a black evil-looking [TS]

00:24:34   suit hunting down a princess like got it [TS]

00:24:37   right like I understand what's going on [TS]

00:24:38   and doesn't matter what those words said [TS]

00:24:40   yeah so what have you got next I've got [TS]

00:24:44   lots of little bitty things here I don't [TS]

00:24:45   want to get too busy but we don't want [TS]

00:24:47   to get too busy and have to go through [TS]

00:24:49   all of all of the plot points yeah [TS]

00:24:52   butBut I think again like the reason why [TS]

00:24:54   i want to lay out my my initial thoughts [TS]

00:24:57   of this is I as I feel like in the first [TS]

00:25:00   20 minutes of the film you just have all [TS]

00:25:03   of these problems resurfacing in in [TS]

00:25:05   various ways and upset so after our [TS]

00:25:08   opening scene we met we now have a scene [TS]

00:25:11   with the main character guy who were [TS]

00:25:13   going to be following most of the time [TS]

00:25:15   talking to a rando who's about to die in [TS]

00:25:18   this one little like interaction between [TS]

00:25:19   the two of them right there talking [TS]

00:25:22   about Jenna they're talking about Kyber [TS]

00:25:24   crystals they're talking about looking [TS]

00:25:26   for Saul right they mentioned somebody [TS]

00:25:28   else's name which I couldn't even write [TS]

00:25:30   down fast enough in the theater when I [TS]

00:25:31   was waiting for the scene to make a note [TS]

00:25:33   of it to talk about like Ursula or like [TS]

00:25:35   some other person and there's one more [TS]

00:25:38   thing and it's like okay there's two [TS]

00:25:40   characters we don't know you dropped [TS]

00:25:42   five totally new names [TS]

00:25:45   yeah in in this little minute [TS]

00:25:48   interaction between the two of them and [TS]

00:25:50   it's again it's like I can follow this [TS]

00:25:52   but it's too much and and I don't know [TS]

00:25:55   what to pay attention to and then one of [TS]

00:25:58   these two characters dies immediately [TS]

00:25:59   and and our main our main guy kind of [TS]

00:26:02   runs off and then boom next scene right [TS]

00:26:03   we're on to the next place while you [TS]

00:26:05   brush past something that is quite [TS]

00:26:06   significant in the film from a because [TS]

00:26:08   this main character is this i think this [TS]

00:26:10   is and/or is that the car had everyone's [TS]

00:26:13   names kind of lost me I think he's cold [TS]

00:26:14   hand or that the main guy the main that [TS]

00:26:16   this is actually though I think it quite [TS]

00:26:18   vital point which is my wife and I after [TS]

00:26:21   we were discussing the movies seeing it [TS]

00:26:22   last night we were both aware i can to [TS]

00:26:25   be with my wife like the movie a lot [TS]

00:26:27   more than I [TS]

00:26:27   did but neither of us could remember a [TS]

00:26:30   single characters name [TS]

00:26:32   yeah it's true that we didn't already [TS]

00:26:34   know from somewhere else and so we kept [TS]

00:26:36   having these conversations about like oh [TS]

00:26:38   the guy which guide the ninja guy [TS]

00:26:40   no not the ninja guy the friend of the [TS]

00:26:42   ninja guy owe him the muscle right it's [TS]

00:26:44   like it's just amazing to see and I [TS]

00:26:46   think it's a side effect again like i [TS]

00:26:49   have watched a movie for two hours in [TS]

00:26:51   between two people we can't pull a [TS]

00:26:54   single name out of our memory i think [TS]

00:26:56   that's again an indication of what's [TS]

00:26:58   going on with this main guy and or who [TS]

00:27:00   becomes like a main in here the film you [TS]

00:27:03   talk about him in this other guy having [TS]

00:27:05   a chat and then everything kicks off but [TS]

00:27:07   significantly he shoots the other guy if [TS]

00:27:10   you remember like they're about to get [TS]

00:27:12   caught by the stormtroopers and this guy [TS]

00:27:14   is going to be baggage because he's [TS]

00:27:15   injured and can't run away and and/or [TS]

00:27:17   realizes realizes this situation so he [TS]

00:27:20   just puts a gun to his back basically [TS]

00:27:22   and shoots him he kills him there on the [TS]

00:27:24   spot and I think we're supposed to be [TS]

00:27:26   shocked by this and realize that he's [TS]

00:27:27   this ruthless killer that would do [TS]

00:27:29   anything and then he has this redemption [TS]

00:27:31   story through the film and becomes the [TS]

00:27:32   guy we like me but I never forgave him [TS]

00:27:34   for that like like even though he [TS]

00:27:37   becomes a good guy and says I've done [TS]

00:27:38   some bad stuff in my time but now I but [TS]

00:27:41   now I'm you know now I'm a good guy [TS]

00:27:43   I I never forgot that he shot that [TS]

00:27:45   behind the back and what he did to him [TS]

00:27:48   and even even later on when he like you [TS]

00:27:50   know does a few nice things and realizes [TS]

00:27:52   the error of his ways it never left my [TS]

00:27:55   head that he'd done that mean i think [TS]

00:27:56   maybe they should do should have been [TS]

00:27:58   quite so bad because you know it's not [TS]

00:28:00   like i was shocked or you know I'm boom [TS]

00:28:03   I'm like a sensitive person who like [TS]

00:28:05   comes courtesy feeling yeah clutching [TS]

00:28:08   your pearls that there is death on [TS]

00:28:09   screen but it made me it made me [TS]

00:28:12   incapable of ever sympathizing with him [TS]

00:28:14   after seeing him do that the start to [TS]

00:28:16   someone shoot someone in the back like [TS]

00:28:18   that and kind of for some reason I was [TS]

00:28:20   not a big deal is coming out like it's a [TS]

00:28:23   big deal to me it wasn't but it was [TS]

00:28:24   significant to me and like his [TS]

00:28:26   Redemption he was never redeemed for me [TS]

00:28:28   enough [TS]

00:28:29   hmm i can totally agree with this and [TS]

00:28:30   and the thing is I I don't necessarily [TS]

00:28:34   think that little scene is a big deal [TS]

00:28:36   and then also the movie blows past it so [TS]

00:28:39   fast i think it's it's easy to miss [TS]

00:28:41   because the first time i watched it was [TS]

00:28:43   unclear to me how the shooting happened [TS]

00:28:46   and then the second time it was more [TS]

00:28:47   clear [TS]

00:28:48   just like I just blinked at the wrong [TS]

00:28:49   moment right any menu menu miss it just [TS]

00:28:51   a little bit but i think it does matter [TS]

00:28:53   because this is all rolled up into i [TS]

00:28:58   think it's it's emblematic of another [TS]

00:29:00   problem with the film which i think the [TS]

00:29:03   movie is doing on purpose but they just [TS]

00:29:04   do poorly which is I file under the [TS]

00:29:07   category the rebels are dicks right [TS]

00:29:09   there's like there's like a bunch of [TS]

00:29:11   stuff where the rebels are being kind of [TS]

00:29:13   dicks or things that just don't really [TS]

00:29:15   work and that I think make the rebels [TS]

00:29:18   unsympathetic in a whole bunch of ways [TS]

00:29:20   that causes structural problems with the [TS]

00:29:22   film and that that little that shooting [TS]

00:29:26   in the beginning I think would be fine [TS]

00:29:28   on its own but it's it's connected to a [TS]

00:29:31   bunch of other stuff that then just [TS]

00:29:33   doesn't work for me later in the movie [TS]

00:29:35   this whole part of the film set on Jetta [TS]

00:29:38   or the town the city of Jeddah might [TS]

00:29:40   have to say was one of the week of parts [TS]

00:29:42   of the film for me it felt terribly [TS]

00:29:44   unnecessary actually other than that [TS]

00:29:46   help to scoop up some of the characters [TS]

00:29:47   who were going to follow us for the rest [TS]

00:29:48   of the film like ninja guy and muscle [TS]

00:29:51   guy and stuff but the whole thing with [TS]

00:29:53   forest whitaker's character who sort of [TS]

00:29:56   that the head of the rebels seem very [TS]

00:29:58   unnecessary to the film it added nothing [TS]

00:30:00   it seems like an unnecessary character [TS]

00:30:03   and unnecessary diversion but also this [TS]

00:30:05   whole part of the film is the part where [TS]

00:30:08   the fanservice felt made on too thick [TS]

00:30:12   and I almost felt like I was being [TS]

00:30:13   patronized a bit like when the when the [TS]

00:30:16   bad guys from the mosque ii campaign and [TS]

00:30:18   make a sudden cameo oh my god like that [TS]

00:30:21   was really that was unnecessary [TS]

00:30:23   yeah that was that was so terrible and I [TS]

00:30:25   hate this kind of stuff because it's [TS]

00:30:26   like it makes the universe feels small [TS]

00:30:29   yes the universe universe feels so small [TS]

00:30:31   and so tiny and it also it's strange [TS]

00:30:34   could credulity that she's going to bump [TS]

00:30:37   into the two guys who show up in in a [TS]

00:30:38   new hope [TS]

00:30:39   but also because of the way the movie [TS]

00:30:41   carries on it means not only did she [TS]

00:30:43   bumped into these guys on this planet [TS]

00:30:45   but they they also left the planet very [TS]

00:30:48   shortly like within 30 minutes right [TS]

00:30:50   they get out of there just entire and [TS]

00:30:52   where did they go within the span of a [TS]

00:30:55   couple of days is they go to some [TS]

00:30:58   backwater planet where Lucas it's like [TS]

00:31:00   it's too much right the time frame is [TS]

00:31:02   just too much it's ridiculous that she [TS]

00:31:04   bumps into these guys there it's it's [TS]

00:31:05   pointless pointless fanservice yeah and [TS]

00:31:09   that how that house saying with the [TS]

00:31:11   bustling crowds and that they cram too [TS]

00:31:13   much of that in and I was thinking come [TS]

00:31:15   on guys la is ok i'm on board I [TS]

00:31:17   understand star wars and and the other [TS]

00:31:19   little by little things nice but you [TS]

00:31:21   don't need to go that hard [TS]

00:31:23   mm which is funny because the fan [TS]

00:31:25   service that comes later the biggest fan [TS]

00:31:27   service [TS]

00:31:28   mm that's works because that's what this [TS]

00:31:31   was about [TS]

00:31:31   so some of the huge stuff I loved and I [TS]

00:31:35   felt really excited about some of the [TS]

00:31:37   links to New Hope felt wonderful and and [TS]

00:31:41   really good i was really pleased towards [TS]

00:31:43   the end of the film there's some great [TS]

00:31:44   stuff but this early stuff they they [TS]

00:31:46   went to her they went too hard too early [TS]

00:31:48   you know that they make it they had [TS]

00:31:50   their fanservice coming they didn't need [TS]

00:31:52   to go this hard this early mhm they [TS]

00:31:54   could have shown more restraint [TS]

00:31:55   yeah the this so this whole sequence [TS]

00:31:57   where they're on this this desert planet [TS]

00:31:59   jetta or whatever that this is one of [TS]

00:32:02   these things i wanted to see again like [TS]

00:32:04   how was my memory of it versus the [TS]

00:32:06   actual thing I felt so strongly that [TS]

00:32:08   this this whole sequence was unnecessary [TS]

00:32:10   and it seemed just like it like a [TS]

00:32:12   pointless diversion that we're going to [TS]

00:32:15   go to this planet to find a guy who's [TS]

00:32:18   going to help us find the guy that we're [TS]

00:32:20   actually looking for ya and I was [TS]

00:32:21   mentally thinking like you could [TS]

00:32:23   probably cut that and just have the [TS]

00:32:25   movie go on but what I didn't realize is [TS]

00:32:28   that sequence is really long [TS]

00:32:31   right like i was thinking this this is [TS]

00:32:33   like 20 minutes but that whole sequence [TS]

00:32:35   takes us to more than halfway through [TS]

00:32:38   the movie right like it is it is so long [TS]

00:32:43   that it it's not like when we discussed [TS]

00:32:45   the force awakens and we both agree that [TS]

00:32:48   the weakest part is when they leave the [TS]

00:32:50   planets and their with han Solo and [TS]

00:32:52   they're going to fight some giant roller [TS]

00:32:55   ball squid monsters on the ship right [TS]

00:32:58   it's like why is this happening and you [TS]

00:33:00   can you can easily imagine a version of [TS]

00:33:02   the force awakens where fan does a [TS]

00:33:04   supercut and they were able to get ready [TS]

00:33:06   most of that and then you don't even [TS]

00:33:07   notice in the movie I'm realizing if [TS]

00:33:09   they cut out what i thought was a [TS]

00:33:10   pointless diversion you lose like 45 [TS]

00:33:14   minutes of this movie where they're down [TS]

00:33:15   there on on Jetta doing this thing that [TS]

00:33:18   I think is totally pointless it's a huge [TS]

00:33:20   sequence and it's also like it's so it's [TS]

00:33:24   so convoluted because you blew past what [TS]

00:33:27   to me is sets up like a fundamental [TS]

00:33:30   problem in the whole movie which is [TS]

00:33:32   before we even get down to jetta the the [TS]

00:33:35   rebels are dicks thing is we we show the [TS]

00:33:38   rebels capturing the main girl who's the [TS]

00:33:41   Djinn I think your gentleman like even [TS]

00:33:44   knows where the characters are [TS]

00:33:46   pronouncing her name differently the [TS]

00:33:47   rebels kidnap her from some sort of [TS]

00:33:49   labor camp it's like it's like a rescue [TS]

00:33:52   but it feels a lot like a kidnap because [TS]

00:33:54   the rebels are then taking her back to [TS]

00:33:56   the rebel base and forcing her to do [TS]

00:34:00   with thing that she doesn't want to [TS]

00:34:02   write they just straight-up saying like [TS]

00:34:03   I will hand you back to the Empire [TS]

00:34:05   unless you unless you do what we want [TS]

00:34:06   it's like okay you don't seem like great [TS]

00:34:09   people right now you know she's she's [TS]

00:34:11   just passed from one prison to [TS]

00:34:13   essentially another prison [TS]

00:34:15   yeah and and like okay the great rebels [TS]

00:34:18   you like I would like you a lot more if [TS]

00:34:20   you have a sequence where you were [TS]

00:34:22   rescuing her from a horrible situation [TS]

00:34:24   and she wants to help you because of [TS]

00:34:27   what you've done but it's very different [TS]

00:34:29   if you're just straight up kidnapping [TS]

00:34:30   her [TS]

00:34:31   so here is the actual sequence because i [TS]

00:34:33   had to write it down this is the plan as [TS]

00:34:34   explained by the rebels they want to [TS]

00:34:37   take her to jetta to find Saul Guerrera [TS]

00:34:42   yeah as far as America yeah who has the [TS]

00:34:46   pilot and the pilot will take them to [TS]

00:34:49   her father and they're going to take her [TS]

00:34:52   father to the Senate for testimony like [TS]

00:34:55   you've got to be kidding me like we [TS]

00:34:57   don't need it and and this is like [TS]

00:35:00   everything in the movie is like this [TS]

00:35:02   like guys do a second pass on this [TS]

00:35:04   script just have the daughter know where [TS]

00:35:08   the father is right just have that you [TS]

00:35:10   can just have her no and the rebels [TS]

00:35:13   rescue her and she wants to help but we [TS]

00:35:15   don't need this and it's like so many [TS]

00:35:18   unnecessary characters but like okay [TS]

00:35:19   we're not even trying to find a guy who [TS]

00:35:21   knows where the guy we're looking for is [TS]

00:35:23   we're trying to find a guy who has a guy [TS]

00:35:26   who knows where the guy we're moving and [TS]

00:35:29   on top of that I almost lost my god damn [TS]

00:35:32   mind because when they get down to the [TS]

00:35:34   planet they blow past it so quickly but [TS]

00:35:36   but the food cassie is and/or he has a [TS]

00:35:39   little line to her he's like oh he I [TS]

00:35:41   know and he mentioned some other name [TS]

00:35:43   like this bounty hunter dude who's [TS]

00:35:44   working for salt Guerrera like oh I'm [TS]

00:35:48   going to find this person who's going to [TS]

00:35:50   bring us to Saul Guerrero who has the [TS]

00:35:52   pilot right I can't [TS]

00:35:54   why like why do you need all of these [TS]

00:35:57   steps it's just it's like I can follow [TS]

00:35:59   it it's just it's just a straight line [TS]

00:36:01   but it's it's crazy making that you need [TS]

00:36:04   all of these steps toys gray toys you [TS]

00:36:07   need more styles figures I i guess but [TS]

00:36:10   it's like you have this ridiculous [TS]

00:36:11   convoluted path for a sequence of which [TS]

00:36:15   the entirety of it as unnecessary and [TS]

00:36:18   complex and is it just like I was so [TS]

00:36:21   uninvolved for the this first hour of [TS]

00:36:23   the movie I'm like yeah I don't care [TS]

00:36:25   about any of these people [TS]

00:36:27   this is like Saul Guerrero like in my [TS]

00:36:30   mind his is the only character i can [TS]

00:36:31   vaguely remember because my brain kept [TS]

00:36:33   changing his name to like Che Guevara [TS]

00:36:35   every time people were saying and I'm [TS]

00:36:37   like okay we're looking for a che [TS]

00:36:38   guevara and it's like okay there's this [TS]

00:36:41   dude is he crazy like he's a terrorist [TS]

00:36:44   so should I care about him but he raised [TS]

00:36:46   our main character but now he seems like [TS]

00:36:48   he's also he's also a monster [TS]

00:36:50   she's being forced into this by rebels [TS]

00:36:52   who are being dicks who by the way are [TS]

00:36:55   just going to assassinate her father [TS]

00:36:57   anyway likes what she doesn't even know [TS]

00:36:59   so it's like there's just nobody to root [TS]

00:37:01   for there's this really convoluted thing [TS]

00:37:03   and this is this to me is like the heart [TS]

00:37:06   of it right here is like complicated [TS]

00:37:08   mess you could just sweep away and [TS]

00:37:10   replace with a simpler better movie whoa [TS]

00:37:12   also just one more thing can make the [TS]

00:37:14   rebels even less likable if that was [TS]

00:37:17   possible is they also make them really [TS]

00:37:19   like bureaucratic and I have lots of [TS]

00:37:22   meetings and they can never agree on [TS]

00:37:25   anything and they sit around and [TS]

00:37:26   committees all the time it's like the [TS]

00:37:28   one thing you like about the rebels is [TS]

00:37:30   there like a starfish let's just get the [TS]

00:37:32   guns out and blow that they have [TS]

00:37:33   right but now that now they're like [TS]

00:37:35   their own little mini-set having [TS]

00:37:37   meetings and disagreements and like cut [TS]

00:37:39   their crippled by inactivity it's like [TS]

00:37:42   out like this is the reason rebels form [TS]

00:37:47   is to get away from the bureaucracy [TS]

00:37:48   right but like offers starting with the [TS]

00:37:50   bureaucracy [TS]

00:37:51   ok what's with all the politics to did [TS]

00:37:53   George like a snake back into the [TS]

00:37:54   writing room for that part yeah it was [TS]

00:37:56   the hat i totally agree that there's [TS]

00:37:59   things that they're like oh we can't get [TS]

00:38:00   everybody to agree like you're the [TS]

00:38:01   rebels like it should be clear that the [TS]

00:38:04   app the other problem was all this was [TS]

00:38:07   swirling around our main character gin [TS]

00:38:09   and we should talk about her at some [TS]

00:38:11   point because she was completely I [TS]

00:38:14   didn't like I was not very engaged with [TS]

00:38:17   her at all like I didn't know I never [TS]

00:38:19   really i never really sort of like tor [TS]

00:38:22   understood her story or her [TS]

00:38:24   transformation didn't do much for me [TS]

00:38:25   either and she was kind of I mean a lot [TS]

00:38:27   of our read a lot of people saying you [TS]

00:38:29   know she carried the film apparently and [TS]

00:38:31   she was good not you know she's a good [TS]

00:38:33   actress she did a good job but the [TS]

00:38:36   character wasn't very well developed and [TS]

00:38:38   from the start i didn't really feel much [TS]

00:38:41   for and then when she changed i didn't [TS]

00:38:42   feel much and so all of this stuff's all [TS]

00:38:45   of these weird people who are unlockable [TS]

00:38:47   for various reasons swirling around Gen [TS]

00:38:49   and Gen I didn't really care about [TS]

00:38:51   I didn't find an unlikable like some [TS]

00:38:52   other characters but she was just a bit [TS]

00:38:54   she was just there as well really how [TS]

00:38:56   long for the ride [TS]

00:38:57   yeah i totally agree that this movie she [TS]

00:39:00   has to be really likable you have to be [TS]

00:39:02   rooting for her [TS]

00:39:03   yeah right and i found myself at one [TS]

00:39:05   point like it that there were three [TS]

00:39:07   little moments in the movie where I kind [TS]

00:39:08   of had to laugh but it's but at some [TS]

00:39:09   point of the movie when I was just [TS]

00:39:11   mildly distracted and watching it and [TS]

00:39:13   wants to have will start to like giggle [TS]

00:39:15   because I kept having this thought of [TS]

00:39:16   like well she was in prison like maybe I [TS]

00:39:19   want to hear the Empire story about why [TS]

00:39:21   these girls in prison because we've just [TS]

00:39:24   made it really clear that she's been [TS]

00:39:25   working with his terrorist organization [TS]

00:39:28   that even the rebels don't like so like [TS]

00:39:30   maybe she's done some really terrible [TS]

00:39:32   stuff you know and it's like when you [TS]

00:39:34   find your mind wandering like I want to [TS]

00:39:36   know what the Empire thinks about this [TS]

00:39:38   girl maybe they have a point it's like I [TS]

00:39:40   think you have not achieved what you [TS]

00:39:42   want movie which is that I should really [TS]

00:39:44   be rooting for this girl [TS]

00:39:45   supposed to wondering like there might [TS]

00:39:46   be more to her story then we're hearing [TS]

00:39:49   here yeah well let's let's let's let's [TS]

00:39:51   let's go back to the transcript for [TS]

00:39:52   those trials like I want to find out [TS]

00:39:53   what was going on [TS]

00:39:54   whereas in that force awakens Daisy [TS]

00:39:57   Ridley character the lead there [TS]

00:39:59   yeah like you're just completely [TS]

00:40:00   enchanted by and like you are you coming [TS]

00:40:02   out of that film feeling good about her [TS]

00:40:04   like she's just you just go so I was [TS]

00:40:07   just so taken with her her character and [TS]

00:40:10   her story and this one like you know at [TS]

00:40:11   the end she's on the beach then I'm [TS]

00:40:13   thinking well yeah exactly thanks thanks [TS]

00:40:16   for helping out with the plans and but [TS]

00:40:18   you were a fantastic tool thank you very [TS]

00:40:20   much [TS]

00:40:20   moving right along yeah I i agree Daisy [TS]

00:40:23   Ridley was obviously amazing in in force [TS]

00:40:25   awakens this girl I have to say I think [TS]

00:40:27   she was a good actress [TS]

00:40:29   yeah definitely definitely better than [TS]

00:40:30   some of the other people i'm going to [TS]

00:40:32   complain about later [TS]

00:40:33   yeah but the character itself as written [TS]

00:40:36   I I felt just again uninvolved with like [TS]

00:40:38   okay maybe you're a criminal and you're [TS]

00:40:41   being blackmailed into doing a thing and [TS]

00:40:43   I don't really care about you like the [TS]

00:40:44   end two more things on the desert planet [TS]

00:40:47   and the town of jetta one is we saw much [TS]

00:40:52   more agile stormtroopers in some of [TS]

00:40:55   those fights anes and I quite liked it i [TS]

00:40:57   quite like saying stormtroopers being a [TS]

00:40:59   little bit more capable steel cannon [TS]

00:41:01   fodder yeah but they seem to have like [TS]

00:41:03   special ops stormtroopers ya like like [TS]

00:41:05   the guys in black was like oh no now [TS]

00:41:07   we're trying to be serious [TS]

00:41:08   yeah so so I that was about that but one [TS]

00:41:11   thing I do not approve of me is seeing a [TS]

00:41:14   Star Destroyer down at Planet level who [TS]

00:41:16   that's that seems wrong to me and also [TS]

00:41:19   it seems like it should be like not [TS]

00:41:21   technically feasible like they should be [TS]

00:41:23   built in space and one of the joys of [TS]

00:41:25   seeing the crash star destroyer in the [TS]

00:41:27   force awakens on the planet [TS]

00:41:29   it creates that feeling that the worst [TS]

00:41:31   possible thing that could happen to a [TS]

00:41:32   star destroyers of falls down onto a [TS]

00:41:34   planet because let you know that that's [TS]

00:41:36   where they crash and die and it just [TS]

00:41:37   seems it seems wrong to me and it feel [TS]

00:41:40   it felt like it demeans the awesomeness [TS]

00:41:42   of stardestroyers to see them down at [TS]

00:41:44   Planet level that makes them seem a [TS]

00:41:46   little bit more jokey and also makes [TS]

00:41:48   them seem less awesome that they can [TS]

00:41:50   just come down and do that so I didn't [TS]

00:41:52   like that I didn't like it it's an [TS]

00:41:53   excellent point it didn't it didn't [TS]

00:41:55   cross my mind until [TS]

00:41:57   they were there are many things in the [TS]

00:41:58   movie we're feeling like there's [TS]

00:41:59   something wrong with this and I can't [TS]

00:42:00   quite figure out what and the Star [TS]

00:42:02   Destroyer when it was just hovering over [TS]

00:42:04   the city and I thought it just didn't [TS]

00:42:05   cross my mind is like okay it's fine but [TS]

00:42:07   the shot where they show it flying away [TS]

00:42:09   both times i kept thinking like [TS]

00:42:11   something's wrong about this and I don't [TS]

00:42:13   know what it is and and I i agree with [TS]

00:42:15   you like you're right that it feels like [TS]

00:42:17   the Star Destroyers should be in real [TS]

00:42:19   trouble if they're ever in the [TS]

00:42:20   atmosphere [TS]

00:42:21   yeah and and this this strikes the wrong [TS]

00:42:24   note by having it so close to the pair's [TS]

00:42:26   planet's surface knowing that Star [TS]

00:42:27   Destroyers can come down to a planet is [TS]

00:42:29   like when you realize that r2 d2 can fly [TS]

00:42:32   right yeah it's like no no I don't want [TS]

00:42:34   that to be possible [TS]

00:42:35   yeah and it's like there are many [TS]

00:42:37   situations in the other movies where [TS]

00:42:38   this would be quite useful to do right [TS]

00:42:40   like it so much I was the flight with [TS]

00:42:42   the entire I think I'd be having more [TS]

00:42:44   star destroyers and ground level I think [TS]

00:42:46   this would solve a lot of problems yes [TS]

00:42:49   send them had a heart instead of those [TS]

00:42:50   slow walkers dropping them a hundred [TS]

00:42:52   miles away from the base and having them [TS]

00:42:53   slowly trudged to the bites [TS]

00:42:55   yeah like we just landed Star Destroyer [TS]

00:42:57   we don't we don't even have to fight [TS]

00:42:59   just literally landed on the ground and [TS]

00:43:01   crush the big three they mean they must [TS]

00:43:04   have one to spare right just knock it [TS]

00:43:06   out of the sky a saying that happens [TS]

00:43:09   around this time up in space somewhere [TS]

00:43:11   is when we first say Grand Moff Tarkin [TS]

00:43:14   for the first time that first scene [TS]

00:43:16   where you see him with you know looking [TS]

00:43:19   like peter cushing the actor who played [TS]

00:43:21   him in the original film my goodness [TS]

00:43:24   that was breathtaking how much you look [TS]

00:43:27   like him and they knew it too when they [TS]

00:43:29   made it because they some account of [TS]

00:43:30   what they did but they either did [TS]

00:43:31   something with the sound of the camera [TS]

00:43:33   work when we first see his face [TS]

00:43:34   I was like I almost gasped was so Bo [TS]

00:43:36   done see now I thought it was google [TS]

00:43:39   'ish I i have to say when when I heard [TS]

00:43:43   Grand Moff Tarkin voice I like wow they [TS]

00:43:46   have nailed the voice of this person [TS]

00:43:48   yeah right but when they do the reveal [TS]

00:43:50   it looks it just all i kept thinking of [TS]

00:43:55   is this is the best video game animation [TS]

00:43:57   i have ever seen [TS]

00:43:58   all I'm gonna say is like I could not [TS]

00:44:00   accept the reality of him in every scene [TS]

00:44:02   now again like this is an interesting [TS]

00:44:04   thing because I didn't know he was going [TS]

00:44:06   to be in the movie and [TS]

00:44:07   I mean the key to me he obviously looks [TS]

00:44:10   like just a cgi face right over over the [TS]

00:44:13   actual actor and it's like they did a [TS]

00:44:15   really good job with that like I'm not [TS]

00:44:18   going to deny it's an incredible job but [TS]

00:44:21   i think they didn't do as good of a job [TS]

00:44:24   as the movie feels like it is the movie [TS]

00:44:27   acts like this is totally seamless and [TS]

00:44:29   no one will ever notice and I felt like [TS]

00:44:31   man if you're going to do this like you [TS]

00:44:32   have a great render but but don't have [TS]

00:44:35   like a full front up shot of him it was [TS]

00:44:38   just it to me it was really unconvincing [TS]

00:44:41   and I hated every scene with him maybe I [TS]

00:44:43   need to say again because I thought that [TS]

00:44:44   one works so well that I almost thought [TS]

00:44:46   they did they find someone that just [TS]

00:44:48   looks like that like a kind of fun and I [TS]

00:44:50   maybe I wasn't paying enough attention [TS]

00:44:51   but for male form a gram of talk and [TS]

00:44:54   work obviously me princess leiden will [TS]

00:44:56   come to that later but yeah but the but [TS]

00:44:58   the talk of one did work for me and I [TS]

00:45:01   was like I thought that was really good [TS]

00:45:02   anyway yeah but i think this this is [TS]

00:45:04   just a question of light of how [TS]

00:45:06   sensitive you are to the stuff and i [TS]

00:45:09   feel like because I've seen a lot of [TS]

00:45:10   video games things like he just he just [TS]

00:45:12   kept reading to me as a videogame render [TS]

00:45:15   character i just want to say with with [TS]

00:45:17   target though this this is again you [TS]

00:45:20   talk about like the the star wars fan [TS]

00:45:22   service and and talking to me is a good [TS]

00:45:25   example along with Darth Vader who will [TS]

00:45:27   get to later of your putting all of this [TS]

00:45:30   stuff in this movie because we know it [TS]

00:45:35   from the other Star Wars movies but I [TS]

00:45:38   just kept feeling like do we have to [TS]

00:45:40   have targeting here like his is his [TS]

00:45:43   character in this movie [TS]

00:45:45   absolutely necessary and and i don't i [TS]

00:45:48   don't think so [TS]

00:45:49   like I think you could again do a [TS]

00:45:51   version of this movie where you have the [TS]

00:45:53   kind of sniveling power climbing [TS]

00:45:56   subordinate under Tarkin be the entire [TS]

00:45:59   roll like I don't think you need the [TS]

00:46:01   conflict between these two guys [TS]

00:46:03   I don't think he needs to be there [TS]

00:46:05   except that it feels like they really [TS]

00:46:07   want to keep tying this movie to the [TS]

00:46:09   other movies and so that's why targets [TS]

00:46:12   here right that's why not like mothers [TS]

00:46:15   here like that's why a whole bunch of [TS]

00:46:16   other people are here and I'd and I just [TS]

00:46:19   kept feeling like they're unnecessary [TS]

00:46:21   write these people don't need to be here [TS]

00:46:23   I didn't feel that way about talk and I [TS]

00:46:25   thought I thought for the rogue one to [TS]

00:46:28   work it did have to have several [TS]

00:46:31   connections with new hope like I had to [TS]

00:46:33   have there had to be a few threads and [TS]

00:46:35   cables connecting otherwise it would [TS]

00:46:37   feel like it was just stuck in there [TS]

00:46:39   like filler between a couple of bricks [TS]

00:46:41   and not really seamless and I thought [TS]

00:46:43   having a few different threads worked [TS]

00:46:46   and I thought he liked the rivalry [TS]

00:46:49   between him and then Mendelssohn's [TS]

00:46:51   character wasn't particularly necessary [TS]

00:46:53   or interesting you but having him there [TS]

00:46:55   was good because because also made it [TS]

00:46:59   all so suddenly made his death in New [TS]

00:47:02   Hope same more significant because when [TS]

00:47:05   you think about a new hope especially if [TS]

00:47:08   you're a kid watching he's just a bit of [TS]

00:47:09   a boring out man and like when he when [TS]

00:47:11   he dies on the Death Star it's not like [TS]

00:47:14   it's not like Darth Vader dying is that [TS]

00:47:16   it's like it's just some old bureaucrat [TS]

00:47:17   dying but now when you see what he's [TS]

00:47:19   done before and his association with the [TS]

00:47:22   deathstone all that but it doesn't view [TS]

00:47:24   that with a bit more meaning and in a [TS]

00:47:26   way that worked for me [TS]

00:47:27   my likes I like seeing him in this film [TS]

00:47:29   and maybe when i watch again the face [TS]

00:47:32   will embarrass me a bit but kind of that [TS]

00:47:34   kind of work for me and I liked it I [TS]

00:47:37   liked it I liked having him in the film [TS]

00:47:38   mmm hehe i thought he belonged in the [TS]

00:47:40   film i thought a film about the birth of [TS]

00:47:44   the Death Star and the undoing of the [TS]

00:47:46   death star would have felt wrong without [TS]

00:47:48   the guy we all know was like the boss of [TS]

00:47:50   the death star so I'm quite happy was in [TS]

00:47:53   the film ya again I'd I just think if [TS]

00:47:55   you're going to have him in there it's [TS]

00:47:57   the cgi didn't work well enough for me [TS]

00:48:00   for him to be a major character [TS]

00:48:02   yeah and I just I just kept feeling like [TS]

00:48:05   it was ghoulish every time he was on [TS]

00:48:06   screen and not in a good way [TS]

00:48:08   one other saying that I thought was very [TS]

00:48:09   that I like just because I like the look [TS]

00:48:12   of a was lit the Death Star taking out [TS]

00:48:15   gender & eclipsing the Sun as [TS]

00:48:17   same time yeah that was good that was [TS]

00:48:18   good ok i was showing off but it was [TS]

00:48:20   thought that was just a lot of just a [TS]

00:48:22   pretty piece of special-effects I [TS]

00:48:24   thought that was a really nice little [TS]

00:48:25   sequence yeah happy i will definitely go [TS]

00:48:27   along with that I'll go along with that [TS]

00:48:29   cool alright anymore jetta stuff or [TS]

00:48:32   should we should we find our way off of [TS]

00:48:34   general somehow we can get our way off [TS]

00:48:36   of jetta but i just think it is it gets [TS]

00:48:38   sometimes i get so many furious notes [TS]

00:48:41   and Jenna it's just it's just it's [TS]

00:48:45   because i kept being I kept being amazed [TS]

00:48:47   at how long the sequence was like that i [TS]

00:48:49   thought was cuttable and it's like [TS]

00:48:50   there's so much stuff in here but again [TS]

00:48:52   another thing that I felt is emblematic [TS]

00:48:55   of the movie is that they have their [TS]

00:48:57   this like this very brief scene with his [TS]

00:49:00   mind slug right that che guevara is [TS]

00:49:02   using on the pilot to find out what the [TS]

00:49:04   truth is [TS]

00:49:05   yeah and it's like okay we've introduced [TS]

00:49:07   this mind slug and it's to interrogate [TS]

00:49:11   the pilot the pilot that Saul Guerrero [TS]

00:49:13   doesn't trust for no apparent reason [TS]

00:49:16   other than he's crazy and and it's like [TS]

00:49:18   oh we're going to use this mind slug but [TS]

00:49:20   it just you might lose your mind [TS]

00:49:22   afterward and it's like oh it doesn't [TS]

00:49:24   make him lose his mind he's like a [TS]

00:49:25   little sleepy for an hour and we just go [TS]

00:49:28   right on and he's like a totally normal [TS]

00:49:29   guy for the rest of the movie and that's [TS]

00:49:32   another thing that feels like why is [TS]

00:49:33   this here that this scene you could [TS]

00:49:35   literally cut and it would not affect [TS]

00:49:37   anything that the mind slug thing never [TS]

00:49:40   comes back up [TS]

00:49:41   he's never actually lost his mind you [TS]

00:49:43   don't do anything interesting with it [TS]

00:49:46   like I kept thinking what i was [TS]

00:49:48   expecting to happen is who maybe this [TS]

00:49:50   pilot who has defected after this mind [TS]

00:49:53   slug makes him lose his mind for gets [TS]

00:49:56   that he's defected right in it and [TS]

00:49:58   actually think that he's still part of [TS]

00:49:59   the Empire and like has found himself in [TS]

00:50:01   this crazy situation like that might be [TS]

00:50:03   something interesting to do but nope [TS]

00:50:05   it's like we've just introduced this [TS]

00:50:06   mind slug and we're blowing right past [TS]

00:50:08   it and it doesn't matter it doesn't [TS]

00:50:10   affect the plot like we're just going to [TS]

00:50:11   keep on going and there's just so many [TS]

00:50:14   things like that it's like so much stuff [TS]

00:50:16   it's not impossible in the mine slipcase [TS]

00:50:19   there that something more did happen and [TS]

00:50:21   got cut but they kind of films himself [TS]

00:50:23   into a corner where they had to leave [TS]

00:50:25   some of their instill that does [TS]

00:50:27   occasionally happen in movies doesn't [TS]

00:50:28   where they they take out a sequence [TS]

00:50:31   but they're left with sort of baggage [TS]

00:50:32   either side of a yeah I can't wriggle [TS]

00:50:35   out of so i would i would love to know [TS]

00:50:36   the behind-the-scenes thing but i have a [TS]

00:50:38   feeling like the first cut of this movie [TS]

00:50:41   was four hours long [TS]

00:50:42   right like I know and I mean that quite [TS]

00:50:44   literally and it's it's it's something [TS]

00:50:46   that you actually like this you see in [TS]

00:50:47   some of the behind-the-scenes stuff of [TS]

00:50:49   the the first of the prequels where the [TS]

00:50:51   the first cut was incredibly long and [TS]

00:50:54   and they realize they had a hard time [TS]

00:50:55   cutting it down to be movie like I just [TS]

00:50:57   had the same kind of feeling with this [TS]

00:50:59   like maybe there was a whole bunch of [TS]

00:51:00   mind slug stuff and it's like I just [TS]

00:51:02   just get rid of it like everything [TS]

00:51:03   mostly because we have to we have to [TS]

00:51:05   jettison so much stuff to get the sound [TS]

00:51:06   to our running time like we filmed [TS]

00:51:08   ourselves into a corner but so that mind [TS]

00:51:10   slug is to me just another example of [TS]

00:51:11   like thing brought up immediately [TS]

00:51:13   dispatched with has absolutely no [TS]

00:51:15   consequence but on Jenna we have we [TS]

00:51:17   bring up with is then perhaps well by [TS]

00:51:20   far and away my least favorite person in [TS]

00:51:23   the whole film which is our blinds ninja [TS]

00:51:25   dude yeah i love this character and this [TS]

00:51:29   actor I could not believe how bad his [TS]

00:51:31   line readings were like I could not [TS]

00:51:32   believe how ridiculous his character was [TS]

00:51:34   and it's like blind pointless ninja you [TS]

00:51:37   don't need to be in this movie I cannot [TS]

00:51:39   believe that you're here I cannot [TS]

00:51:41   believe how you're delivering your lines [TS]

00:51:43   you just you just awful I thought he was [TS]

00:51:46   so bad so terrible [TS]

00:51:48   hey smacks of probably being someone [TS]

00:51:50   who's really famous in other markets and [TS]

00:51:52   they and having him in the film was a [TS]

00:51:53   really smart technical move from just [TS]

00:51:55   finding out who he is [TS]

00:51:56   yeah that might that might be now he's a [TS]

00:51:58   Chinese actor martial artist film [TS]

00:52:01   director producer of this was this was [TS]

00:52:03   my guess was he has to be a real martial [TS]

00:52:05   artist because his fighting scenes look [TS]

00:52:07   like him [TS]

00:52:08   I'm or haste or he's to help them break [TS]

00:52:11   the chinese market [TS]

00:52:12   yeah yeah that that's also a possibility [TS]

00:52:13   but it i was paying attention during his [TS]

00:52:16   stunt scenes like that really looks like [TS]

00:52:17   it's you I think you're really doing [TS]

00:52:19   this and this is why you're here [TS]

00:52:20   yeah but-but-but I like a wrote on it [TS]

00:52:22   but his like his introductory like when [TS]

00:52:24   he walks across that the battlefield is [TS]

00:52:25   like I am with the force and the force [TS]

00:52:27   is with me and I fear nothing because [TS]

00:52:29   the force wheels at times like that is [TS]

00:52:31   the worst line delivery I've ever heard [TS]

00:52:33   from anyone [TS]

00:52:35   it's like awful and I thought there were [TS]

00:52:37   a lot of really bad line deliveries in [TS]

00:52:38   the force awakens it's like everything [TS]

00:52:41   this guy said every time it's just I [TS]

00:52:43   felt like he was sitting in [TS]

00:52:44   lay a table reading for the movie it was [TS]

00:52:46   just awful i can't believe you're [TS]

00:52:48   keeping these line readings in and I [TS]

00:52:50   think the whole purpose of his character [TS]

00:52:52   was pointless [TS]

00:52:53   it's like he does nothing that they [TS]

00:52:55   couldn't just have K to the droid do [TS]

00:52:57   instead he did bring the force into the [TS]

00:52:59   film otherwise there would have been no [TS]

00:53:01   force at all with that yeah he is [TS]

00:53:03   obviously supposed to be like this sort [TS]

00:53:05   of Jedi character but i also think it [TS]

00:53:07   totally doesn't pay off and and it also [TS]

00:53:11   like causes this conflict like I kept [TS]

00:53:13   being aware of like okay so let me get [TS]

00:53:15   this straight [TS]

00:53:15   there's like a class of priests who are [TS]

00:53:18   defending the the resources that are [TS]

00:53:21   used to make lightsabers for the jedis [TS]

00:53:23   this is happening like three days before [TS]

00:53:27   a new hope [TS]

00:53:29   where Harrison Ford is talking about how [TS]

00:53:32   like I've never heard of the Jedi have [TS]

00:53:34   travel home with the universe and [TS]

00:53:35   there's no such thing like but there's a [TS]

00:53:37   big industrial base here related to Jedi [TS]

00:53:39   industries like it's I feel like you [TS]

00:53:42   should have just gotten him out of there [TS]

00:53:43   and also his connection to the force had [TS]

00:53:45   no payoff in amazingly when they had a [TS]

00:53:48   scene where they could have had a [TS]

00:53:50   perfect for Spain off with him on the [TS]

00:53:52   beach trying to pull a switch it's like [TS]

00:53:53   hey maybe the guy who's really into the [TS]

00:53:55   force could use the Force to pull that [TS]

00:53:56   switch [TS]

00:53:57   I know you don't even have this payoff [TS]

00:53:58   scene i did that's how he walked two and [TS]

00:54:01   didn't get shot by the lies about [TS]

00:54:02   because the forsook saved him from all [TS]

00:54:04   the lights above okay okay okay listen [TS]

00:54:06   okay we're jumping way to the end of the [TS]

00:54:07   movie right but it's like I understand [TS]

00:54:10   so he walks across this battlefield and [TS]

00:54:11   it goes all the forces with me and I one [TS]

00:54:13   with the forest and you're supposed to [TS]

00:54:14   think like oh no the lasers hit him [TS]

00:54:16   it's like okay I understand that's what [TS]

00:54:17   you're trying to do but you undercut [TS]

00:54:19   that immediately when after he does that [TS]

00:54:21   his w pointless friend then runs out [TS]

00:54:25   after him and sits up with him in the [TS]

00:54:27   middle of this field of fire and also [TS]

00:54:29   doesn't get hit by anybody yeah but [TS]

00:54:31   that's what had been blown closer to him [TS]

00:54:32   by that point I know it's literally [TS]

00:54:35   sitting up he is his his muscle friend [TS]

00:54:38   is a literal sitting duck right in the [TS]

00:54:41   middle of a field of fire and it's like [TS]

00:54:43   it's our is so infuriating so [TS]

00:54:46   infuriating not cry i'm not i'm not [TS]

00:54:48   saying their plot house and things that [TS]

00:54:50   are not believable [TS]

00:54:51   I'm just saying there was a force payoff [TS]

00:54:52   he does use the Force to to do something [TS]

00:54:55   important I think it was totally [TS]

00:54:56   undercut [TS]

00:54:57   think it was totally undercut [TS]

00:54:58   immediately yeah we've also got a movie [TS]

00:55:01   like he's on he's only for slight he's [TS]

00:55:03   not a projector I say yeah but he was [TS]

00:55:06   just also cases like your character is [TS]

00:55:08   unnecessary and it is doubly highlighted [TS]

00:55:10   by me that you have like an unnecessary [TS]

00:55:11   squared friend who's also following you [TS]

00:55:14   around i was like what are you guys [TS]

00:55:15   doing here what are you doing here for [TS]

00:55:17   the love of God great i'm putting my [TS]

00:55:18   foot down and taking us away from jetta [TS]

00:55:20   because this was some this was supposed [TS]

00:55:23   to be a short podcast and I cannot for [TS]

00:55:24   the life haven't even talked about the [TS]

00:55:26   terrorist scene right we haven't talked [TS]

00:55:28   about it out and let's leave Jenna and [TS]

00:55:30   we might come back to it later because [TS]

00:55:32   what i really want to know is what you [TS]

00:55:34   thought of Darth Vader's Mordor Batcave [TS]

00:55:37   ben mendelsohn though the white-robed [TS]

00:55:40   daddy finds his way to Martha's bat cave [TS]

00:55:44   on Mount Doom because he wants to whinge [TS]

00:55:47   about his job promotion and stuff like [TS]

00:55:49   that you know is so whiny [TS]

00:55:51   but anyway what did you think of the [TS]

00:55:53   fact that darth vader like lives there [TS]

00:55:55   again from my viewer totally unnecessary [TS]

00:55:59   scene [TS]

00:56:00   oh yes it's like you want Darth Vader in [TS]

00:56:02   this movie if if you if you have to have [TS]

00:56:05   Darth Vader in the movie i can live with [TS]

00:56:07   the final scene but but this seems [TS]

00:56:10   totally pointless to me and it's okay so [TS]

00:56:13   the guys coming to complain that old [TS]

00:56:15   grandma target is taking credit for my [TS]

00:56:17   death star right it's like okay and [TS]

00:56:20   you're going to win to like Darth Vader [TS]

00:56:21   about this like is this is the best plan [TS]

00:56:24   of action right like Oh Darth Vader he's [TS]

00:56:26   such a sympathetic shoulder to cry upon [TS]

00:56:29   right now it's like I to Steve Jobs to [TS]

00:56:31   complain that your chair squeaking at [TS]

00:56:33   your desk Apple i'm really tired of [TS]

00:56:36   working on this ipod right like well I'm [TS]

00:56:38   really tired of having you work for me [TS]

00:56:39   get out [TS]

00:56:40   it's such a confused scene because it's [TS]

00:56:44   also like Vader has summoned him is it [TS]

00:56:47   the whole scene is confusing i think it [TS]

00:56:49   just it totally doesn't work and i was [TS]

00:56:51   so aware that's like okay well you're [TS]

00:56:53   like here we go here's Darth Vader he's [TS]

00:56:55   on screen and he just has no presence on [TS]

00:56:58   screen at all [TS]

00:57:00   he almost I want someone to make a gif [TS]

00:57:02   of it when the blu-ray comes out but I [TS]

00:57:04   was several where that he's almost doing [TS]

00:57:06   like a little sassy walk when he comes [TS]

00:57:08   out at first like he's swaying a lot [TS]

00:57:11   yeah I you can see the lights on his [TS]

00:57:13   chest like swaying back and forth it's [TS]

00:57:15   like he's doing a little catwalk thing [TS]

00:57:16   it's interesting it's very interesting [TS]

00:57:18   that before I want to talk about his [TS]

00:57:20   homies planet in a second but the fact [TS]

00:57:22   you make that point is interesting [TS]

00:57:23   because i have a really vivid memory [TS]

00:57:24   when they rereleased the first three [TS]

00:57:27   films you remember they sort of they [TS]

00:57:29   kind of jazz them up and redux them and [TS]

00:57:31   of course of course not even short was [TS]

00:57:32   when they added all the crap effects [TS]

00:57:34   maybe it was then know there was like a [TS]

00:57:35   remastered version that came up before [TS]

00:57:37   yeah those are and i remember a whole [TS]

00:57:38   bunch of my friends and I went to see it [TS]

00:57:41   and a friend of mine who was a bit older [TS]

00:57:43   than us but a few years who I remember [TS]

00:57:46   him saying after the film what it was [TS]

00:57:48   he used to be so intimidated by Darth [TS]

00:57:50   Vader when he was a kid who and now he [TS]

00:57:52   just looks at him as really camp and [TS]

00:57:54   funny and he almost found himself [TS]

00:57:56   laughing all the time when Darth Vader [TS]

00:57:58   was on screen because he's such a [TS]

00:57:59   ridiculous villain and I think that is [TS]

00:58:01   one of the problems [TS]

00:58:02   Darth Vader is starting to have our talk [TS]

00:58:04   about his final scene in the film after [TS]

00:58:06   which actually quite liked but he does [TS]

00:58:08   have that problem of being he's so [TS]

00:58:11   iconic now everyone knows what he looks [TS]

00:58:14   like and everyone is just staring at all [TS]

00:58:16   the time he must feel really awkward [TS]

00:58:18   like how do I move how can I walk [TS]

00:58:19   without like a piece so scrutinize as [TS]

00:58:23   the ultimate villain that almost [TS]

00:58:24   anything he does is gonna look [TS]

00:58:25   ridiculous and like you said you were [TS]

00:58:27   looking at him walking and thinking all [TS]

00:58:28   his walk looks a bit sassy and you're [TS]

00:58:30   looking at his body language and I [TS]

00:58:31   thought the way he was holding his [TS]

00:58:32   fingers when he was doing the choke on [TS]

00:58:35   ben mendelsohn all wrong [TS]

00:58:36   totally wrong oh look at rod yeah [TS]

00:58:38   there's no how to fade should be holding [TS]

00:58:39   his fingers like every single thing he [TS]

00:58:41   does is say so it must be the most [TS]

00:58:43   intimidating job in Hollywood putting on [TS]

00:58:46   that soak because yeah it [TS]

00:58:47   it totally it has to be it has to be [TS]

00:58:49   don't you mentioned the fingers I i said [TS]

00:58:52   to my wife afterward like in that scene [TS]

00:58:54   i kept staring at his helmet and end but [TS]

00:58:57   not just his helmet exactly where his [TS]

00:59:00   helmet met his shoulders and I was like [TS]

00:59:01   something is wrong about this [TS]

00:59:03   I don't are yeah i agree yeah I don't [TS]

00:59:06   know what it is that curved rubbery bit [TS]

00:59:09   yeah yeah like it's something about it [TS]

00:59:12   the neckline yeah his dart favorite [TS]

00:59:15   outfit yeah [TS]

00:59:16   does not match up with what i'm [TS]

00:59:18   expecting was like is it CG is it just [TS]

00:59:21   the wrong kind of plastic as like I [TS]

00:59:23   cannot believe that this is the thing [TS]

00:59:25   that I'm paying attention to in the [TS]

00:59:26   scene and happy but I couldn't stop [TS]

00:59:28   looking at the flange at the edge is up [TS]

00:59:32   it didn't used to have some chain there [TS]

00:59:34   that held his cape on or something but [TS]

00:59:36   I'm i am i imagining that [TS]

00:59:38   yeah that's that's what I was wondering [TS]

00:59:39   like is the helmet over the Cape is it [TS]

00:59:41   normally under the cape or is it but [TS]

00:59:43   even even the texture of the plastic [TS]

00:59:45   look wrong and it's like given given [TS]

00:59:47   that we saw cgi target before I was I [TS]

00:59:49   was actually wondering like is this [TS]

00:59:51   whole helmet just cgi is that whatever [TS]

00:59:53   right the string here I could believe it [TS]

00:59:55   i believe that they're just like at the [TS]

00:59:56   hell with it will fix it in post right [TS]

00:59:58   and they just do a cgi Darth Vader [TS]

00:59:59   helmet [TS]

00:59:59   helmet [TS]

01:00:00   right and and and they don't have [TS]

01:00:01   anybody wants to hang their try i but i [TS]

01:00:06   agree with you it's it's like Darth [TS]

01:00:07   Vader almost has become a problem for [TS]

01:00:10   himself [TS]

01:00:10   on screen yeah i think this scene really [TS]

01:00:13   didn't help that in a variety of ways [TS]

01:00:15   because it just a bunch of stuff really [TS]

01:00:18   clang wrong for me and i have to say i [TS]

01:00:20   don't like i'll be very curious to know [TS]

01:00:22   if you tuned into this but when the [TS]

01:00:24   movie ended one of the things i wanted [TS]

01:00:26   to see was who did the voice of darth [TS]

01:00:30   vader yeah and it was James Earl Jones [TS]

01:00:31   yeah and I think like I don't know what [TS]

01:00:34   the hell happened but James Earl Jones [TS]

01:00:36   can no longer do the darth vader voice [TS]

01:00:38   correctly I didn't mind that I didn't [TS]

01:00:41   muffled voice was like a guy i have to [TS]

01:00:43   say that there was it was the sound of [TS]

01:00:45   the voice was right but he had a weird [TS]

01:00:47   like rhythm and III just like man this [TS]

01:00:51   is just not this isn't working for me [TS]

01:00:53   uh-huh the flange on your helmet is all [TS]

01:00:56   wrong your walk was too sassy and now [TS]

01:00:58   you're your enunciation of the words is [TS]

01:01:00   just wrong and and so your finger death [TS]

01:01:02   grip was wrong as well take your finger [TS]

01:01:04   death grip is misplaced writing like [TS]

01:01:06   that out that works i love that i spent [TS]

01:01:08   200 million dollars on this film we're [TS]

01:01:10   talking about that fight his helmet [TS]

01:01:12   flange for like yeah but what this is [TS]

01:01:14   but this is the kind of thing it's like [TS]

01:01:16   how you have you know a bunch of [TS]

01:01:17   obsessive nerds are going to watch this [TS]

01:01:18   yeah and if you're going to have Darth [TS]

01:01:21   Vader on-screen you have to get it right [TS]

01:01:22   and i think they did get it right in his [TS]

01:01:25   final scene but this but this scene was [TS]

01:01:27   just it just didn't work for me in any [TS]

01:01:30   way and I felt like it just undermine [TS]

01:01:32   Darth Vader is a character and didn't [TS]

01:01:33   have on-screen presence [TS]

01:01:35   he's talking to a whiny subordinate he [TS]

01:01:37   delivers like a doctor evil line where [TS]

01:01:40   he's like try not to choke on your [TS]

01:01:42   ambition that was terrible it's like [TS]

01:01:46   he's giggling in his own suit as he's as [TS]

01:01:48   he's delivering that line it's terrible [TS]

01:01:50   it was awful but also i'm not [TS]

01:01:52   comfortable with the fact he has this [TS]

01:01:53   like clichéd temple on a lava planet to [TS]

01:01:57   like I don't but that's not where Darth [TS]

01:01:59   Vader lives for me he lives like in a in [TS]

01:02:02   an ultra sterile room on a Star [TS]

01:02:04   Destroyer surrounded by technology and [TS]

01:02:07   and like he's not he's not he doesn't [TS]

01:02:10   live in a rural environment [TS]

01:02:11   he's an open guy now [TS]

01:02:13   this is one of the few places where i [TS]

01:02:17   felt a little bit uncomfortable and the [TS]

01:02:19   reason I felt uncomfortable is it felt [TS]

01:02:22   like the prequels were bleeding into [TS]

01:02:24   this movie it was a nod to the prequels [TS]

01:02:26   and you should not be nothing to that [TS]

01:02:27   yeah it's like why is he on this is lava [TS]

01:02:30   planets like he's this is the vader from [TS]

01:02:33   the prequels is what it feels like who [TS]

01:02:36   who lives on a comic book lava planet [TS]

01:02:38   and says no yeah right and and it is [TS]

01:02:43   just sitting in a like a bath of milk [TS]

01:02:46   all day long [TS]

01:02:47   there were a few scenes in this movie [TS]

01:02:49   where it's like this is happening [TS]

01:02:51   because of the prequels and as we [TS]

01:02:53   mentioned in in the the force awakens [TS]

01:02:55   review there were a bunch of like very [TS]

01:02:58   clear middle fingers to the prequels in [TS]

01:02:59   that movie that you know from from my [TS]

01:03:01   reading of it and it's like we're not [TS]

01:03:03   getting that were in this movie like [TS]

01:03:05   that's that's not what's happening this [TS]

01:03:06   time and I think that's why it's like it [TS]

01:03:08   diminishes darth vader and disney I mean [TS]

01:03:10   Disney obviously those those prequels [TS]

01:03:12   love them or hate them preferably hate [TS]

01:03:13   them [TS]

01:03:14   disney has a massive steak in of course [TS]

01:03:16   of course so you can see what you can [TS]

01:03:18   see why occasionally they're going to [TS]

01:03:19   want to give those a little boost and [TS]

01:03:21   you know keep them alive so yeah I [TS]

01:03:23   didn't like it but also just didn't [TS]

01:03:25   think Darth Vader should live in such a [TS]

01:03:26   clichéd place you know [TS]

01:03:28   yeah it's just like okay that's why it [TS]

01:03:30   just it felt very dr. evil to me like [TS]

01:03:33   this this is this is a caricature of a [TS]

01:03:35   villain not an actual villain so I could [TS]

01:03:37   almost just completely pass on the visit [TS]

01:03:40   to this rainy rocky planet where they go [TS]

01:03:42   and have this have this where the dad [TS]

01:03:44   dies this is where on second viewing I [TS]

01:03:47   went out to get some popcorn here but [TS]

01:03:49   the book but the problem is this is also [TS]

01:03:51   the sequence where are two protagonists [TS]

01:03:53   have their their transformations like [TS]

01:03:56   you know the most important part of [TS]

01:03:58   their of their art happens here [TS]

01:04:00   our-our Stoneheart killer who's supposed [TS]

01:04:03   to assassinate the dad changes his mind [TS]

01:04:05   last minute and the reasons that are [TS]

01:04:07   never explained to us other than he just [TS]

01:04:09   didn't feel like it with that that's [TS]

01:04:12   exactly how it read to me like that I [TS]

01:04:14   don't feel like it today [TS]

01:04:15   here I haven't got a clean shot and i [TS]

01:04:17   won't bother ally and but that's his [TS]

01:04:19   like that's his moment where he you know [TS]

01:04:21   is we questioning everything about his [TS]

01:04:23   existence and also our main [TS]

01:04:26   character gin like who's never really [TS]

01:04:28   cared about the rebellion and is happy [TS]

01:04:31   to keep her head down and not get [TS]

01:04:32   involved in politics not you know I know [TS]

01:04:35   her dad dies and that suppose that's [TS]

01:04:37   what changes her but I didn't really [TS]

01:04:38   spend it feel I didn't feel her I didn't [TS]

01:04:40   feel her suddenly getting this new steel [TS]

01:04:43   and this new resolve to defeat the [TS]

01:04:45   Empire and because there wasn't even the [TS]

01:04:47   empire that killed her dad it was the [TS]

01:04:48   rebels so it's kind of like it [TS]

01:04:51   fair enough if like the Empire had like [TS]

01:04:54   killed her dad in front of her that [TS]

01:04:55   would make her think ok I've picked [TS]

01:04:57   aside now right its kind of rip its kind [TS]

01:04:59   of her own tape that killed her dad [TS]

01:05:01   anyway with this business attack because [TS]

01:05:03   they will bungled their messages and [TS]

01:05:04   stuff so it's kind of like I don't [TS]

01:05:07   understand why either character changed [TS]

01:05:08   at this point really [TS]

01:05:10   yeah it's yeah you don't understand [TS]

01:05:11   because there's no good reason given [TS]

01:05:14   it's like also kept thinking with this [TS]

01:05:16   scene it also felt a little frequently [TS]

01:05:19   and ridiculous to me because I kept like [TS]

01:05:21   sure is convenient that you guys are [TS]

01:05:23   having this meeting on an open platform [TS]

01:05:25   in the rain while someone supposed to be [TS]

01:05:27   sniper shooting you from the hills [TS]

01:05:28   writes like a it's like you couldn't [TS]

01:05:30   have a more torrential downpour and you [TS]

01:05:33   could like this is where you want to [TS]

01:05:34   have the meeting it's just I know this [TS]

01:05:35   is supposed to make this scene looks [TS]

01:05:36   serious but it makes it look ridiculous [TS]

01:05:39   you're all going to get pneumonia after [TS]

01:05:40   today and some and some ridiculous and [TS]

01:05:43   guarded unmonitored the ladder that [TS]

01:05:45   leads up to the with pro big big bright [TS]

01:05:48   lights that leads up to the platform as [TS]

01:05:50   one [TS]

01:05:51   yeah its total it's totally ridiculous [TS]

01:05:53   yeah and i agree with you that this is [TS]

01:05:55   where again i think the the actresses [TS]

01:05:58   playing gin does a good job but the but [TS]

01:06:00   the the next five minutes are to me [TS]

01:06:03   another example of of like the writing [TS]

01:06:05   is just terrible because it's yes [TS]

01:06:08   so now she's on the side of the rebels [TS]

01:06:11   are they just because her father is dead [TS]

01:06:13   but she knows the rebels are the ones [TS]

01:06:17   who actually killed her father right she [TS]

01:06:19   calls them out on that she literally [TS]

01:06:22   says you guys might as well be the [TS]

01:06:24   Empire and according to my clock not [TS]

01:06:27   three minutes later in her very next [TS]

01:06:30   scene because they cut to somewhere else [TS]

01:06:32   then they cut back to her she's at that [TS]

01:06:34   bureaucratic meeting where nobody can [TS]

01:06:35   agree on things and gives a rousing [TS]

01:06:37   speech about how [TS]

01:06:38   they should all be fighting the Empire [TS]

01:06:40   the Empire so evil and there is [TS]

01:06:41   literally nothing that has happened to [TS]

01:06:44   change her mind from her previous lines [TS]

01:06:46   of you guys might as well be the Empire [TS]

01:06:48   ok she's on the side of the rebels now [TS]

01:06:51   because you need her to be not because [TS]

01:06:53   anything that happened and again it [TS]

01:06:55   seems like trivially easy to rewrite [TS]

01:06:59   this to make her be on the side of the [TS]

01:07:02   rebels by I don't know maybe not have [TS]

01:07:05   the rebels be the one who killed her [TS]

01:07:06   father like maybe maybe you could make [TS]

01:07:09   that change have been medicine door he's [TS]

01:07:11   already killed her mom kills her dad [TS]

01:07:13   toes straw that breaks the camel's back [TS]

01:07:15   it's not that hard guys and makes him [TS]

01:07:17   even more evil that the thing is i keep [TS]

01:07:19   getting the feeling that like the [TS]

01:07:20   director of this movie wanted to do with [TS]

01:07:22   thing which is he wanted to show like [TS]

01:07:25   whoo it's not just black and white like [TS]

01:07:26   everybody everybody shades of gray in [TS]

01:07:29   this in this war that the that the [TS]

01:07:30   rebels and the Empire fighting and i can [TS]

01:07:33   understand that as a a story that you [TS]

01:07:35   want to do but i think this movie just [TS]

01:07:37   didn't do it in a convincing way they [TS]

01:07:39   don't have characters you like who are [TS]

01:07:40   caught up in this situation and then you [TS]

01:07:43   just like okay if I don't like the [TS]

01:07:44   characters and I don't like the rebels I [TS]

01:07:47   I feel neutral to the Empire because you [TS]

01:07:50   haven't actually straight-up shown them [TS]

01:07:52   doing anything really terrible except [TS]

01:07:55   kidnapping the one guy in the beginning [TS]

01:07:56   was like I'm just supposed to go will it [TS]

01:07:59   just it doesn't work i think there's a [TS]

01:08:00   version of this that you can do but it's [TS]

01:08:03   like I don't think this successfully [TS]

01:08:05   pulled off the feeling of like who maybe [TS]

01:08:07   the rebels aren't always good it just [TS]

01:08:09   felt like terrible writing is what it [TS]

01:08:11   felt well I mean an in ben mendelsohn I [TS]

01:08:13   think you had the perfect actor to [TS]

01:08:16   achieve what you just described because [TS]

01:08:18   I've I really read him not just cause [TS]

01:08:19   it's Australian oh well but I think he's [TS]

01:08:21   really good at playing characters i have [TS]

01:08:23   this kind of charming charismatic charm [TS]

01:08:26   and and knock about like ability but [TS]

01:08:28   also kind of scary Menace we're not [TS]

01:08:30   quite sure how unhinged there who don't [TS]

01:08:32   know if you want him bloodline [TS]

01:08:34   I've never seen it before as far as i [TS]

01:08:35   know but i thought i would like he stood [TS]

01:08:37   he stood out to me as just a very good [TS]

01:08:39   actor in the movie [TS]

01:08:40   yeah he's achy and he's perfect for [TS]

01:08:43   achieving what you wanted to describe he [TS]

01:08:44   always plays these guys who are [TS]

01:08:45   interested in but you don't quite trust [TS]

01:08:47   him and you know that they're like [TS]

01:08:48   don't end up being a psychopath or [TS]

01:08:50   something so when I saw he was playing [TS]

01:08:52   this role I thought this is gonna be [TS]

01:08:53   great but i think he was really let down [TS]

01:08:55   by the script and I think he was his [TS]

01:08:57   character was just as mediocre as all [TS]

01:08:59   the others when I felt sorry for him [TS]

01:09:01   like I felt like he had nothing to work [TS]

01:09:03   with you and I think he'd I don't think [TS]

01:09:05   he came out of the film with great [TS]

01:09:07   distinction I thought like he was just [TS]

01:09:09   surviving on reckoning but they didn't [TS]

01:09:11   have much to work with a higher I was [TS]

01:09:13   really disappointed very disappointed by [TS]

01:09:15   that character you know in almost every [TS]

01:09:17   way I think talking about this this [TS]

01:09:19   problem of who do you like there's one [TS]

01:09:21   scene which to me comes just so close to [TS]

01:09:25   being ridiculous which is right after we [TS]

01:09:29   have this disagreement with we can't get [TS]

01:09:31   we can get the Alliance to all agree [TS]

01:09:33   that we're going to go after the Empire [TS]

01:09:34   and get the Death Star plans and we get [TS]

01:09:37   this totally unconvincing speech from no [TS]

01:09:40   reason from jen about why we should all [TS]

01:09:42   be on the same side and do this together [TS]

01:09:44   thank God you didn't call arousing you [TS]

01:09:45   got a rousing a minute ago I thought it [TS]

01:09:47   was the least rousing rousing speech [TS]

01:09:49   kept saying no it was terrible i also i [TS]

01:09:51   also love the this so bad she pauses for [TS]

01:09:54   a moment there's like a shout out from [TS]

01:09:56   the crowd for behind her looking like [TS]

01:09:58   what do you propose and somebody else [TS]

01:10:00   says letters speak right is like but [TS]

01:10:02   nobody was talking frankly was dead [TS]

01:10:05   silence but they're acting like there's [TS]

01:10:08   there shouting over the country was [TS]

01:10:09   terrible but she gives us this totally [TS]

01:10:12   unconvincing speech right and of course [TS]

01:10:13   a bunch of people who are going to you [TS]

01:10:15   know they're gonna follow her because of [TS]

01:10:16   her amazing speech are like oh let's [TS]

01:10:18   let's go off [TS]

01:10:19   yeah but but the main the main character [TS]

01:10:21   what's his name again i still can't even [TS]

01:10:23   remember uh and and or and or whatever [TS]

01:10:26   Andy right yeah okay so Andy standing in [TS]

01:10:29   front of a bunch of guys who have been [TS]

01:10:31   roused by her speech her terrible boring [TS]

01:10:33   speech yet right and here's what he says [TS]

01:10:35   he says we've all done terrible things [TS]

01:10:39   on behalf of the rebellion yet right [TS]

01:10:42   I have to believe that everything we've [TS]

01:10:45   done was for a good reason and I [TS]

01:10:48   couldn't face myself if I gave up now [TS]

01:10:51   and it's like dude you sound like a [TS]

01:10:55   terrorist on the edge of being [TS]

01:10:57   deprogrammed right that like [TS]

01:11:00   like you you have to believe that all [TS]

01:11:03   the terrible things you've done for the [TS]

01:11:05   rebellion are for the right cause it's [TS]

01:11:08   like you're not going along with her [TS]

01:11:09   because this is really good [TS]

01:11:12   you're going along with her because if [TS]

01:11:14   you don't all the terrible things you [TS]

01:11:16   have done were just terrible things [TS]

01:11:19   it's it's like the worst line ever it [TS]

01:11:22   feels like maybe if her speech had gone [TS]

01:11:25   slightly differently he would have woken [TS]

01:11:27   up and join the Empire been like my god [TS]

01:11:30   these rebels really are just a bunch of [TS]

01:11:31   terrorists like what am i doing in and [TS]

01:11:34   like this is why I kept feeling this [TS]

01:11:36   whole movie like why what why am I [TS]

01:11:38   wondering what the Empire's actually up [TS]

01:11:40   to and this is one of those moments like [TS]

01:11:42   what are all the terrible things not [TS]

01:11:45   only you but all the dudes standing [TS]

01:11:47   behind you have done on behalf of this [TS]

01:11:49   rebellion it was it was it was awful it [TS]

01:11:52   was awful [TS]

01:11:52   I mean it's not a new idea is it that [TS]

01:11:55   the ripples of terrorists and I just [TS]

01:11:57   killing government contractors and [TS]

01:11:58   employees and things like that but but [TS]

01:12:01   yeah that hit home [TS]

01:12:02   there's a good story to be told with [TS]

01:12:05   this but i just think this movie just [TS]

01:12:07   doesn't achieve it and and is ridiculous [TS]

01:12:10   in a few points but but that his little [TS]

01:12:12   speech there i think for anybody [TS]

01:12:14   watching the movie again [TS]

01:12:15   listen to what he's actually saying and [TS]

01:12:18   and it's amazing it's like he's on the [TS]

01:12:20   verge of an epiphany about how he's been [TS]

01:12:23   doing everything wrong his entire life [TS]

01:12:25   but he's going to double down on all the [TS]

01:12:29   horrors he has has committed and go [TS]

01:12:31   along with this girl to to steal these [TS]

01:12:33   plans yeah it's unbelievable it's [TS]

01:12:35   unbelievable it's like I can't I can't [TS]

01:12:37   believe this is it in the movie so he [TS]

01:12:41   does double down movement he goes off to [TS]

01:12:43   this planet i made a couple of notes [TS]

01:12:45   about this planet that I called it the [TS]

01:12:47   moldings data plan because when i looked [TS]

01:12:49   and i thought my goodness it looks like [TS]

01:12:51   it's set on the mo days and it turns out [TS]

01:12:52   it was feeling good about who's so I was [TS]

01:12:55   it yeah so I was quite pleased and more [TS]

01:12:57   data smile at my favorite place to go [TS]

01:12:59   yeah it in my notes in my notes I have [TS]

01:13:01   it as new dubai right that's it yeah [TS]

01:13:04   actually like i'll get there in dubai [TS]

01:13:06   now got it yeah there isn't what the [TS]

01:13:07   motive slapped by the way is has been [TS]

01:13:09   divided all the buildings and stuff [TS]

01:13:10   London but and I made a had a few [TS]

01:13:12   thoughts about [TS]

01:13:13   and was I thought like a low-lying [TS]

01:13:16   watery salty planet seems like the worst [TS]

01:13:20   place where you can keep your archives [TS]

01:13:21   of data like what [TS]

01:13:24   why would why would you put all your [TS]

01:13:25   hard drives which I'll come to in a [TS]

01:13:27   minute they seem to have all these [TS]

01:13:28   old-fashioned platter hard drives on [TS]

01:13:31   this like sea level [TS]

01:13:33   sandy watery planet anyway I i love the [TS]

01:13:37   two brothers that this didn't even cross [TS]

01:13:39   my mind watching this movie but it's [TS]

01:13:40   like I have spent enough time in hawaii [TS]

01:13:43   to know that Hawaii is destroyer of [TS]

01:13:45   electronics [TS]

01:13:47   yeah I guess this is this is not good [TS]

01:13:49   plates to keeping your hard drives also [TS]

01:13:51   glad you mentioned that [TS]

01:13:52   yeah and I also thought it seems like a [TS]

01:13:56   bit of a rubbish place to have the final [TS]

01:13:58   battle like in the speech in place and I [TS]

01:14:01   I thought it was gonna be terrible for [TS]

01:14:02   that battle into the 8080 is turned up [TS]

01:14:07   and having a tease walking around [TS]

01:14:10   blowing stuff up on out paradise palm [TS]

01:14:14   tree beach was awesome at worked really [TS]

01:14:17   well for me that was one of the best [TS]

01:14:18   things in the film saying those things [TS]

01:14:20   crunching around in the sand and [TS]

01:14:21   knocking over trees and that redeemed at [TS]

01:14:23   like that seems like that the worst [TS]

01:14:25   place for that whole final battle except [TS]

01:14:27   for the fact it was awesome for the [TS]

01:14:29   eighties I thought yes it though this is [TS]

01:14:32   this is where on my first watching the [TS]

01:14:33   movie that there's a there's a little [TS]

01:14:36   thing which made me totally laughs at [TS]

01:14:38   this battle scene like I get laughed out [TS]

01:14:40   loud in the theater and then felt bad [TS]

01:14:41   for it which is like they've landed ten [TS]

01:14:43   guys on this this dubai multi-use place [TS]

01:14:47   and when they detonate a whole bunch of [TS]

01:14:49   charges they show that the technicians [TS]

01:14:52   have are occurring like all over this [TS]

01:14:53   island yeah right [TS]

01:14:55   uh-huh it's like okay there's 10 guys [TS]

01:14:58   but you also already established that [TS]

01:15:00   this this island is so enormous you need [TS]

01:15:02   ground-based horizontal elevators to [TS]

01:15:05   shuttle people back and forth because [TS]

01:15:07   its enormous [TS]

01:15:08   yeah right but within 30 minutes you [TS]

01:15:10   have dudes covering the whole island and [TS]

01:15:12   there's explosions everywhere and so I [TS]

01:15:13   laughed out loud [TS]

01:15:14   yeah when they were showing the [TS]

01:15:15   explosions all over the place like how [TS]

01:15:17   did these guys get there if it's like [TS]

01:15:20   there's water between they have to get [TS]

01:15:22   to the central depot and then go back [TS]

01:15:23   out further to get the other landing [TS]

01:15:25   pads like it [TS]

01:15:26   really ridiculous but but moments after [TS]

01:15:28   that happened and like I i laughed at [TS]

01:15:31   that ridiculousness [TS]

01:15:32   when the fighting shows up and I have to [TS]

01:15:35   agree like when the ads show up it's [TS]

01:15:38   like okay I'm having fun and this this [TS]

01:15:40   was the part of the movie that I like [TS]

01:15:42   the best was like the last three [TS]

01:15:44   quarters of the battle scenes on the [TS]

01:15:47   beach it was the only time I felt like I [TS]

01:15:49   am having genuine unadulterated fun [TS]

01:15:52   watching star wars movie and I really [TS]

01:15:54   like that I thought it was great i will [TS]

01:15:56   depart a little bit from that because my [TS]

01:15:57   note i right here was I felt like the [TS]

01:15:59   final battle saying out on the beaches [TS]

01:16:02   was mindless repetitive and completely [TS]

01:16:06   charmless hmm and more and one of my [TS]

01:16:08   problems with it was I lost track of the [TS]

01:16:11   number of times there was a scene where [TS]

01:16:13   a stormtrooper or bad he was just about [TS]

01:16:15   to shoot someone and then they got shot [TS]

01:16:17   from the side like that happened that [TS]

01:16:19   happened about ten times and I was [TS]

01:16:21   thinking gosh how many more times are [TS]

01:16:23   they gonna do this and then they went [TS]

01:16:24   bloody did it with the finale at the top [TS]

01:16:26   of the terror as well [TS]

01:16:28   oh my god that was awful where where [TS]

01:16:30   where genes just about to get shot by [TS]

01:16:32   ben mendelsohn and he gets shot from the [TS]

01:16:34   side it's like it was almost like they [TS]

01:16:36   were spitting in my face at that point [TS]

01:16:37   it was like you thought you thought we [TS]

01:16:38   don't too many times [TS]

01:16:40   well cut this we're gonna do it and kept [TS]

01:16:41   the whole film off as well yeah we've [TS]

01:16:43   done to an 80 80 and we're gonna do it [TS]

01:16:45   is like the final the final shot of the [TS]

01:16:47   final villain guess this is this is [TS]

01:16:49   going to happen yeah I guess I i do have [TS]

01:16:52   to clarify that by this point I I don't [TS]

01:16:54   mean any of the stuff on the actual [TS]

01:16:56   beaches it's like everything above the [TS]

01:16:58   beaches iir i enjoyed I enjoyed the [TS]

01:17:01   other the shots with the x-wings and the [TS]

01:17:04   TIE fighters flying around [TS]

01:17:06   yeah right and that that's great ads on [TS]

01:17:08   the beaches they appear from nowhere [TS]

01:17:10   just like a hot like don't care just [TS]

01:17:12   landed there around because they're on [TS]

01:17:14   the other side of the beach troops [TS]

01:17:16   actually if you're looking at the [TS]

01:17:17   geography of the battle is like they've [TS]

01:17:18   come from the water like that whatever I [TS]

01:17:20   don't like deadass I don't care at all [TS]

01:17:22   but just it's cool right it's cool i [TS]

01:17:25   like seeing them [TS]

01:17:26   yeah I like seeing x-wings actually [TS]

01:17:28   engaging with them right instead of [TS]

01:17:29   having to use your snowspeeders and tow [TS]

01:17:31   cables [TS]

01:17:32   all of that stuff was sort of fun i did [TS]

01:17:35   find it a little bit distracting that I [TS]

01:17:36   think for continuity reasons it seemed [TS]

01:17:38   like the x-wings were being piloted by [TS]

01:17:41   the american association of retired [TS]

01:17:43   people like all the x-wing pilot was [TS]

01:17:45   really old and that's like I don't think [TS]

01:17:47   that's a career where you're you're [TS]

01:17:49   baking it into your fifties you know [TS]

01:17:51   like not many grandmas are flying [TS]

01:17:52   x-wings but apparently this is what we [TS]

01:17:54   do have now it's like okay what-what it [TS]

01:17:57   was a secure career that must be flying [TS]

01:17:59   an x-wing it doesn't look like it on [TS]

01:18:02   screen but apparently everybody last [TS]

01:18:04   decades in those pilots seat but but I [TS]

01:18:08   just think like the shots of it were fun [TS]

01:18:10   the cinematography was done really well [TS]

01:18:12   yeah the the like the over-the-shoulder [TS]

01:18:14   shot of the x-wing coming out of [TS]

01:18:17   hyperspace into the battle it's like I [TS]

01:18:18   really like that it just felt fun so [TS]

01:18:21   that like that is all the stuff that i [TS]

01:18:23   really like the what did you think of [TS]

01:18:25   the well it's not really a battle is [TS]

01:18:27   about this the sequence in the tower [TS]

01:18:29   where they're actually stealing the [TS]

01:18:31   plans i was surprised by how low tech it [TS]

01:18:33   was and I was getting a lot of kind of [TS]

01:18:34   backblaze hard drive related anxieties [TS]

01:18:38   and she was taking out those guys that [TS]

01:18:40   platter hard drive and flopping around [TS]

01:18:42   on it Bell to hear about a quasar-like [TS]

01:18:45   boy it's really convenient you have a [TS]

01:18:46   clip exactly the size for this hard [TS]

01:18:48   drive [TS]

01:18:49   I it seems like quite low tech and then [TS]

01:18:51   that were lapping it up and it was i [TS]

01:18:53   guess i guess it was just it wasn't you [TS]

01:18:55   know [TS]

01:18:56   mcalister's up here here's the thing off [TS]

01:18:58   one of the things I like about Star Wars [TS]

01:18:59   is it's like a universe without [TS]

01:19:03   communications technology yeah right [TS]

01:19:05   like if you with you watch the original [TS]

01:19:07   ones like people are constantly [TS]

01:19:09   uninformed or ill informed about things [TS]

01:19:11   you know that they don't have Star Trek [TS]

01:19:15   communicators it seems like it's a world [TS]

01:19:17   where we have faster-than-light travel [TS]

01:19:20   somehow and fax machines right but yeah [TS]

01:19:23   but no news organizations like there's [TS]

01:19:25   no TVs or anything it's like isn't there [TS]

01:19:28   some like hot daily newspaper right [TS]

01:19:30   where you can find out what's going on [TS]

01:19:32   like nope it's like there's none of this [TS]

01:19:33   but but i think this is a case of [TS]

01:19:36   world-building we're like it just kind [TS]

01:19:38   of works [TS]

01:19:39   yeah it just it just works and it's like [TS]

01:19:41   okay for some reason [TS]

01:19:43   communications in the star wars universe [TS]

01:19:45   is just difficult to do and out and i'll [TS]

01:19:48   just go along with that I will totally [TS]

01:19:50   accept that I'm totally fine with it but [TS]

01:19:53   then this movie starts breaking it down [TS]

01:19:55   a little bit because i'm aware of like [TS]

01:19:58   traffic don't think about it too hard [TS]

01:19:59   what's happening in the scene like okay [TS]

01:20:01   wait you're broadcasting the plans [TS]

01:20:04   okay so yeah you can send the plans [TS]

01:20:08   wirelessly from the ground to the ship's [TS]

01:20:11   yeah and then the ships are receiving [TS]

01:20:13   those plans but then there immediately [TS]

01:20:15   put onto a little key and it seems like [TS]

01:20:18   the key is the only place that these [TS]

01:20:20   exist [TS]

01:20:21   yeah but you broadcast it like this is [TS]

01:20:24   not a distance it doesn't seem like it's [TS]

01:20:26   a narrow band signal is a wide pan [TS]

01:20:27   signal like the ships are getting it [TS]

01:20:29   yeah like what i sent it to every ship [TS]

01:20:31   and every night whatever I put on the [TS]

01:20:33   web [TS]

01:20:34   put it put on youtube yeah it's like so [TS]

01:20:36   you've received the plans but they're [TS]

01:20:38   not in the ship they're only on this [TS]

01:20:40   little card [TS]

01:20:41   yeah and it's like and you guys haven't [TS]

01:20:43   signed up for backblaze like that like i [TS]

01:20:46   just it bothers me because it becomes a [TS]

01:20:49   moment of you want these characters on [TS]

01:20:52   the ground for the end of the movie so [TS]

01:20:55   how do you get them on the ground and [TS]

01:20:57   the plans in the air [TS]

01:20:58   this is how but it introduces something [TS]

01:21:01   that now messes with this idea of in the [TS]

01:21:03   star wars universe communication [TS]

01:21:04   technology is terrible [TS]

01:21:06   like I would have much preferred if they [TS]

01:21:08   did something even I mean maybe even [TS]

01:21:10   dumber and lower tech but like [TS]

01:21:13   physically take the plans off-planet [TS]

01:21:16   right have a little cannon and launch [TS]

01:21:18   them into outer space have a droid take [TS]

01:21:19   them up or something but I don't like [TS]

01:21:21   that like we're using a satellite dish [TS]

01:21:23   to just broadcast them its it doesn't it [TS]

01:21:28   doesn't ring right for the universe for [TS]

01:21:29   me and it starts messing with all kinds [TS]

01:21:31   of other stuff like what how is it how [TS]

01:21:33   is it so hard with these plans to keep [TS]

01:21:35   them like it's leave them as physical [TS]

01:21:38   plans that's totally fine but it [TS]

01:21:39   requires rewrites for how is this how is [TS]

01:21:42   this going to end and it just it really [TS]

01:21:44   felt to me like they just want to keep [TS]

01:21:45   the plant the characters on the planet [TS]

01:21:48   this is what we're just going to do [TS]

01:21:49   don't think about it too hard because it [TS]

01:21:51   won't make any sense if you do so the [TS]

01:21:53   cat and a big character we haven't [TS]

01:21:54   spoken about yet is the repro [TS]

01:21:56   grand Imperial Droid k2s oh who follows [TS]

01:22:01   a hero's around all over the place [TS]

01:22:03   mm what did you think of that character [TS]

01:22:06   ok [TS]

01:22:07   overall I actually quite like k2 but i [TS]

01:22:12   think this was in no small part a side [TS]

01:22:14   effect of I've got nobody else to like [TS]

01:22:17   yeah right [TS]

01:22:18   it's like if you took k2 and put him in [TS]

01:22:21   almost any other movie i would be super [TS]

01:22:23   annoyed by this robot but in this one I [TS]

01:22:25   felt like I like k to his his death [TS]

01:22:28   scene was the only moment in the whole [TS]

01:22:31   movie that registered emotionally for me [TS]

01:22:33   yeah i was like i am sad that he has [TS]

01:22:36   died right like this is a sad moment [TS]

01:22:38   this is what art is supposed to do it is [TS]

01:22:40   supposed to invoke an emotional feeling [TS]

01:22:42   and I've been sitting here for this two [TS]

01:22:46   hours feeling nothing k2 dies I feel sad [TS]

01:22:50   about it sounds like success in that [TS]

01:22:53   part movie but they had just a lot of [TS]

01:22:56   snarky stuff with k2 that I felt was was [TS]

01:22:59   too much like what did you think i agree [TS]

01:23:02   that the sort of the selfless death of [TS]

01:23:05   kato was probably behind only like [TS]

01:23:06   emotional moment in the whole film not i [TS]

01:23:09   had problems with the believability of a [TS]

01:23:14   droid in the star wars universe and [TS]

01:23:17   being capable of humor and sarcasm and [TS]

01:23:21   all those things I don't like that's [TS]

01:23:23   never something we've been taught that [TS]

01:23:25   simply been shown in Star Wars really I [TS]

01:23:28   feel like c-3po does that though like [TS]

01:23:29   c-3po makes jokes [TS]

01:23:31   yeah but c-3po c-3po seat we laugh at c3 [TS]

01:23:34   PA there maybe you're right maybe you're [TS]

01:23:36   right we don't laugh with c-3po c-3po [TS]

01:23:39   isn't deliberately funny [TS]

01:23:40   c-3po is funny because we see the humor [TS]

01:23:43   in it [TS]

01:23:44   c-3po is completely unaware of the fact [TS]

01:23:46   that he's funny [TS]

01:23:48   whereas k2 is like deliberately [TS]

01:23:50   sarcastic and i'm sure it's like a [TS]

01:23:52   problem with his reprogramming and maybe [TS]

01:23:54   they're at emotion ship somewhere maybe [TS]

01:23:56   like it's funny that he just says [TS]

01:23:58   everything he thinks and that i can [TS]

01:24:00   imagine a droid doing that i can imagine [TS]

01:24:02   a droid having this kind of verbal [TS]

01:24:04   diarrhea and just being tactless but [TS]

01:24:08   yeah but Katie goes beyond that k2 like [TS]

01:24:10   is deliberately sarcastic and funny cat [TS]

01:24:13   back at the start with k to this is the [TS]

01:24:15   probability that you're gonna get killed [TS]

01:24:16   by her with that blaster is like eighty [TS]

01:24:18   percent or whatever like what it's very [TS]

01:24:20   high [TS]

01:24:20   it's what katie says that's funny and [TS]

01:24:23   that's k2 doing what a robot would do [TS]

01:24:24   and just not having that attacked to not [TS]

01:24:27   say it but then as the film goes on you [TS]

01:24:30   know it becomes more deliberately [TS]

01:24:31   sarcastic and more human and little [TS]

01:24:34   didn't quite work for me but you're [TS]

01:24:35   right you've got no one else to like no [TS]

01:24:37   one else in the film is ever funny [TS]

01:24:39   effort huh well I'm never had thought [TS]

01:24:42   about this until now but i'm trying to [TS]

01:24:44   think of any point in the film when gene [TS]

01:24:46   or and/or are funny and jokey or fri [TS]

01:24:50   like they're not funny pointless ninja [TS]

01:24:52   guy makes a joke about is your foot okay [TS]

01:24:55   when he's taking out a bunch of [TS]

01:24:56   Stormtroopers yeah i guess those 2i [TS]

01:24:58   guess those two Ninja Gaiden muscle [TS]

01:25:00   supposed to be a bit of light relief but [TS]

01:25:02   right but they're they're so pointless [TS]

01:25:04   an awful [TS]

01:25:05   not that you can't really read for them [TS]

01:25:07   but they sort of joke but even then it's [TS]

01:25:09   very little [TS]

01:25:10   yeah so I'm in kato is the only source [TS]

01:25:12   of human in this film [TS]

01:25:14   whereas you know in glory days of styles [TS]

01:25:17   we got hand silo and two-backer and [TS]

01:25:20   layer he so sassy and all that stuff [TS]

01:25:22   we've got like multiple sources of [TS]

01:25:24   levity in here we've got ya a robot who [TS]

01:25:26   I don't believe can be funny so so [TS]

01:25:28   you've got to like k2 almost out of [TS]

01:25:30   necessity [TS]

01:25:31   yeah that that's exactly and it's like a [TS]

01:25:33   k2 was in the the original trilogy is I [TS]

01:25:35   feel like I most certainly are [TS]

01:25:36   I would be annoyed by him but here he's [TS]

01:25:39   like a lifeboat right like oh thank [TS]

01:25:41   goodness the the thing is there is I [TS]

01:25:45   mean talking about a whole bunch of the [TS]

01:25:46   the like callbacks and and fanservice [TS]

01:25:49   stuff funny you mention that line about [TS]

01:25:51   k2 because the thing I really liked [TS]

01:25:53   about him is is early in the [TS]

01:25:56   introduction that he has exactly that [TS]

01:25:57   scene where you know the two of them are [TS]

01:25:59   going to go off to I don't know whatever [TS]

01:26:00   some some planets subtitled on the [TS]

01:26:02   bottom of the screen seven and he says [TS]

01:26:05   you know that would you like to know the [TS]

01:26:07   probability of her using that weapon [TS]

01:26:09   against you right and and he says no and [TS]

01:26:13   i love that he he says its high it's [TS]

01:26:16   very high right as as he's looking way [TS]

01:26:18   and he does a little hand gesture and [TS]

01:26:20   here's where I think like this is good [TS]

01:26:22   because it's connected to the other [TS]

01:26:25   movies without having him just do the [TS]

01:26:28   same thing that c-3po does yeah right [TS]

01:26:31   he doesn't like over its ninety-seven [TS]

01:26:32   percent actually like I love the fact [TS]

01:26:35   that they do this it makes him feel [TS]

01:26:37   droid like but his own person right that [TS]

01:26:41   he's like alright you stupid human like [TS]

01:26:43   it's really high i'm not even going to [TS]

01:26:44   specify but she's gonna shoot you with [TS]

01:26:46   that gun yeah well so much because he [TS]

01:26:47   didn't want to know so he's almost not [TS]

01:26:49   allowed to tell him but yeah you can [TS]

01:26:51   stare tell him it's I yeah exactly but [TS]

01:26:53   later on it's like oh you have to do the [TS]

01:26:55   c-3po thing when you're in the canyon [TS]

01:26:57   and he's like always we have a twenty [TS]

01:26:58   percent chance of failure right now like [TS]

01:27:00   now we have a thirty-seven percent [TS]

01:27:01   chance of failure it's like then it just [TS]

01:27:02   feels like you're just copying the other [TS]

01:27:04   movies [TS]

01:27:05   yeah and-and-and I don't like it and I [TS]

01:27:07   thought that little k2 moment I just I [TS]

01:27:09   loved and I thought if you could do this [TS]

01:27:10   consistently with him throughout the [TS]

01:27:12   rest of the movie it would be great but [TS]

01:27:14   they they don't I do have to say the [TS]

01:27:16   other reason why he's very likeable is [TS]

01:27:18   the animation that they do with his eyes [TS]

01:27:21   i think is fantastic and i would love to [TS]

01:27:24   see behind-the-scenes thing because I i [TS]

01:27:26   feel very confident that they they [TS]

01:27:29   looked at a bunch of like animals like [TS]

01:27:32   dogs or chimpanzees because they keep [TS]

01:27:34   having him do this like look at you look [TS]

01:27:37   away thing look down like his I [TS]

01:27:39   animation even though it's so limited [TS]

01:27:42   I feel like they're really able to [TS]

01:27:44   provoke like a a very particular [TS]

01:27:48   emotional response to him with that so I [TS]

01:27:50   think like the animation on him what was [TS]

01:27:52   was really good and it's another reason [TS]

01:27:54   why like when he dies it is it is sad [TS]

01:27:57   because you you have this kind of he's [TS]

01:28:00   different but likable and he's been [TS]

01:28:02   animated in a very good way i thought so [TS]

01:28:04   should we push towards the end of the [TS]

01:28:07   film then who might as well considering [TS]

01:28:10   this podcast as I can end up being about [TS]

01:28:11   as long as the film if we're not careful [TS]

01:28:13   i did want to say one thing actually [TS]

01:28:14   before we talk about the very far away [TS]

01:28:16   and that is the rebel flate when it [TS]

01:28:18   attacks the entrance to the gate one of [TS]

01:28:21   my problems with the rebel fleet here is [TS]

01:28:24   suddenly seems much more capable than I [TS]

01:28:26   remember [TS]

01:28:27   mm like they always the rebel fleet [TS]

01:28:29   always seemed terribly under power [TS]

01:28:31   word and and liked are hiding to nothing [TS]

01:28:34   but they seem like a rude dominant force [TS]

01:28:36   in a lot of this battle when they're [TS]

01:28:37   ready and not many of them are getting [TS]

01:28:38   taken out and that the Empire seemed [TS]

01:28:41   really scared of them [TS]

01:28:42   I felt like the rebels suddenly seemed [TS]

01:28:44   like a more powerful than I remembered [TS]

01:28:47   in this final battle who like they [TS]

01:28:48   seemed almost too good i will agree that [TS]

01:28:51   there's a shot that I think that is is [TS]

01:28:52   poorly done where it seems like there's [TS]

01:28:55   maybe 15 x-wings frankly like the red [TS]

01:28:59   gold and blue leaders right each you [TS]

01:29:02   have maybe five x-wings with them and [TS]

01:29:04   they show a shot of hundreds of thai [TS]

01:29:07   fighter is pouring out of of one of the [TS]

01:29:09   ships [TS]

01:29:10   yeah it's like the x-wings are holding [TS]

01:29:12   holding their own pretty well yes like [TS]

01:29:13   okay I mean maybe this is why all of [TS]

01:29:16   these pilots are sold is because they're [TS]

01:29:18   the best in the universe rather just [TS]

01:29:19   fantastic at what they do [TS]

01:29:21   yeah but it seems a little too [TS]

01:29:23   outnumbered and and maybe you could just [TS]

01:29:25   pretend that the Empire's not super [TS]

01:29:27   concerned about protecting this base [TS]

01:29:29   because there's a shield generator [TS]

01:29:30   around and they think it's fine [TS]

01:29:32   yeah like but instead yeah it's it's [TS]

01:29:34   like those x-wing pilot are too good [TS]

01:29:36   they're way too good for the numbers [TS]

01:29:37   that you're seeing on screen [TS]

01:29:39   the thing that drove me crazy and this I [TS]

01:29:41   think is a side effect of like you have [TS]

01:29:42   too many characters is in the battle [TS]

01:29:45   sequence we have our troops on the [TS]

01:29:47   ground [TS]

01:29:48   what is their objective we want to get [TS]

01:29:49   the plans okay great [TS]

01:29:51   the plans have to be beamed off of the [TS]

01:29:53   planet understandable i don't like it [TS]

01:29:55   but it's understandable [TS]

01:29:56   ok the shield's blocking our [TS]

01:29:58   transmission so now we need our pilot to [TS]

01:30:02   tell the rebel fleet up above to take [TS]

01:30:04   down the shield's what the hell else is [TS]

01:30:07   the rebel fleet doing right like if the [TS]

01:30:10   rebel fleet has come to this planet [TS]

01:30:12   their explicit goal is to provide air [TS]

01:30:15   support for the troops on the ground but [TS]

01:30:17   there is a shield between them and the [TS]

01:30:19   troops [TS]

01:30:20   what else would they be doing except [TS]

01:30:22   trying to take down the shield and get [TS]

01:30:23   down to the surface like they can't [TS]

01:30:26   possibly have any other goal except to [TS]

01:30:29   get may be slaughtered by the capital [TS]

01:30:30   ships that are up there like just [TS]

01:30:32   hanging around its it was crazy making [TS]

01:30:35   to me and it felt like it's just a side [TS]

01:30:36   effect like oh right we brought this [TS]

01:30:38   pilot character along who again i think [TS]

01:30:39   is entirely unnecessary like most of the [TS]

01:30:41   characters here we need to give him [TS]

01:30:43   something to [TS]

01:30:44   do ya so he has to be involved in this [TS]

01:30:48   account like a Rube Goldberg machine of [TS]

01:30:51   we need to get the master switch to send [TS]

01:30:53   the signal to talk to the fleet to tell [TS]

01:30:55   the fleet to do the thing that's the [TS]

01:30:56   only thing that they're doing [TS]

01:30:59   it's it's it's bothersome and again I [TS]

01:31:02   think it's a side effect of the terrible [TS]

01:31:03   writing yeah why can he talk to the [TS]

01:31:05   flight but the plans can't get through [TS]

01:31:07   the show is there something special [TS]

01:31:08   about his ship or the that's which I [TS]

01:31:11   think about yeah exactly it's like this [TS]

01:31:12   doesn't doesn't even make sense if you [TS]

01:31:14   think about it too long right against [TS]

01:31:16   it's like the data transmission problem [TS]

01:31:17   here of like over monkeying around with [TS]

01:31:19   how communications work and I feel like [TS]

01:31:21   all of the writing problems about the [TS]

01:31:24   rebels are dicks [TS]

01:31:25   I have no one to root for I'm wondering [TS]

01:31:28   if maybe the Empire is right about these [TS]

01:31:29   terrorists [TS]

01:31:30   I feel like it was really for me summed [TS]

01:31:33   up in one moment of the movie where I [TS]

01:31:35   did have a little bit of an emotional [TS]

01:31:36   reaction and it was the totally wrong [TS]

01:31:39   emotional reaction and it's when they [TS]

01:31:41   have the rebels get the Hammerhead ship [TS]

01:31:43   to make that the disabled Star Destroyer [TS]

01:31:48   crash into another star destroyer and [TS]

01:31:50   crash into the shield generator [TS]

01:31:52   yeah i was watching that scene and all I [TS]

01:31:54   kept thinking of is god there's a lot of [TS]

01:31:56   people in those ships right that's like [TS]

01:31:59   I am feeling bad for the Empire in this [TS]

01:32:01   moment and like this is the wrong [TS]

01:32:03   emotional reaction to be having I I [TS]

01:32:06   don't want to be having this emotional [TS]

01:32:08   reaction and what's even weirder is the [TS]

01:32:10   music choice is sort of a sad song in [TS]

01:32:13   this moment and it's it's like I know [TS]

01:32:16   this is not how I am supposed to be [TS]

01:32:18   feeling but like I have been led here by [TS]

01:32:21   all of the mess that has occurred before [TS]

01:32:24   this so that in what's supposed to be a [TS]

01:32:27   moment of triumph I am having the exact [TS]

01:32:30   opposite emotional reaction like [TS]

01:32:31   thousands of people are dying in those [TS]

01:32:34   ships right now [TS]

01:32:35   good job rebels with with your suicide [TS]

01:32:37   shipwright ramming into the side of them [TS]

01:32:39   it was that that to me is like the [TS]

01:32:41   pinnacle of like I am reacting to this [TS]

01:32:43   movie in the wrong way because the [TS]

01:32:45   writing is terrible [TS]

01:32:47   it's the music was not as good yeah I [TS]

01:32:50   think it was fun to me it was a little [TS]

01:32:53   bit unremarkable I I didn't notice it [TS]

01:32:56   very much [TS]

01:32:57   you know so wasn't it wasn't bad or [TS]

01:32:58   anything the only time I noticed it was [TS]

01:33:00   in this in that scene where I felt like [TS]

01:33:02   this music is wrong [TS]

01:33:04   otherwise it just felt like background [TS]

01:33:06   music but I wonder if it suffered from [TS]

01:33:08   not having John Williams this time okay [TS]

01:33:11   didn't I didn't realize that he wasn't [TS]

01:33:12   doing the music this time so they have [TS]

01:33:13   somebody else obviously they used a few [TS]

01:33:14   little squirts of his original stuff at [TS]

01:33:17   certain times and those are times when [TS]

01:33:19   you're like a stowers that most of the [TS]

01:33:21   most of it was written by someone else [TS]

01:33:22   and me like I don't want to kick someone [TS]

01:33:25   for not being john williams because it's [TS]

01:33:27   pretty hard for you have to follow that [TS]

01:33:28   but I do think i'll show it i do you [TS]

01:33:30   think it showed that that wasn't quite [TS]

01:33:32   as good [TS]

01:33:33   I didn't know that it wasn't John [TS]

01:33:35   Williams and I made a note in adjoining [TS]

01:33:37   the film saying the music's not as good [TS]

01:33:39   in this one as it was even in the [TS]

01:33:40   terrible prequel soon i was noticing the [TS]

01:33:43   music wasn't as good and then I looked [TS]

01:33:44   later on and found out that someone else [TS]

01:33:46   said had done it [TS]

01:33:47   hmm so anyway our heroes down on the [TS]

01:33:51   ground get death start you know they get [TS]

01:33:53   they get blown up and thanks for the [TS]

01:33:55   plans you did the job that was very [TS]

01:33:57   noble and then we get the plans on to [TS]

01:34:00   these the rebel fleet and the rebel want [TS]

01:34:02   to get away and the darth vader turns up [TS]

01:34:04   at just the right moment with his [TS]

01:34:05   reinforcements and stops anyone being [TS]

01:34:07   able to get away except perhaps this one [TS]

01:34:09   ship with the plans and then we have [TS]

01:34:11   Darth Vader get onto the get onto the [TS]

01:34:14   ship and he's almost like man for men [TS]

01:34:15   now trying to get his hands on this on [TS]

01:34:17   this data card of the plants almost like [TS]

01:34:19   a relay baton being passed move from one [TS]

01:34:22   person to the next and our ladies [TS]

01:34:23   chasing the moon [TS]

01:34:24   what did you think of that same i liked [TS]

01:34:28   it i I really liked it [TS]

01:34:31   I great yeah it was awesome okay yeah it [TS]

01:34:33   was super fun to watch [TS]

01:34:35   yeah but it also felt like an [TS]

01:34:37   introduction to a video game or [TS]

01:34:38   something like it again didn't feel like [TS]

01:34:40   it needed to be in this movie but I will [TS]

01:34:43   totally creep like watching Darth Vader [TS]

01:34:45   slice through a bunch of rebels you know [TS]

01:34:48   slice through a bunch of terrorists may [TS]

01:34:50   be right who knows it was great i [TS]

01:34:53   thought it was really well done and this [TS]

01:34:54   is like what Darth Vader should be he [TS]

01:34:56   feels menacing yeah he's moving forward [TS]

01:34:59   there's there's a clear objective right [TS]

01:35:01   he's trying to get the one copy of the [TS]

01:35:03   data that they have they don't have a [TS]

01:35:04   lot of the ships he's kind of a bit [TS]

01:35:06   angry and stuff and yeah yeah it's it's [TS]

01:35:09   I really liked it [TS]

01:35:11   I do think again though that it's like a [TS]

01:35:14   little bit of the prequel this here [TS]

01:35:15   where it's like it's the different Darth [TS]

01:35:17   Vader it's the clearly more powerful [TS]

01:35:20   force using Darth Vader from the [TS]

01:35:22   prequels because it's like oh well yeah [TS]

01:35:24   in her in a new hope he's not like [TS]

01:35:27   taking out six guys at once by clenching [TS]

01:35:30   his fists [TS]

01:35:31   yeah that that's not the Darth Vader who [TS]

01:35:32   shows up later so i think that scene [TS]

01:35:34   causes problems but i do have to say [TS]

01:35:36   like in isolation [TS]

01:35:38   I just love this sequence i think this [TS]

01:35:40   sequence is great it was a good sequence [TS]

01:35:42   yeah it's one of the best things in the [TS]

01:35:43   movie yeah it's really enjoyable the [TS]

01:35:46   door closing right and and the rebel [TS]

01:35:48   ship getting away that shot of it [TS]

01:35:50   falling away from the main ship i really [TS]

01:35:52   like that I like that as a reveal yeah I [TS]

01:35:55   still feel like it causes problems but [TS]

01:35:56   it was it was just very and very [TS]

01:35:58   enjoyable [TS]

01:35:59   well I thought it was great this if I [TS]

01:36:00   just saying I've been thinking a lot [TS]

01:36:02   about it's funny because one of the one [TS]

01:36:04   of the fundamental problems this film [TS]

01:36:06   has that we haven't even mentioned but [TS]

01:36:07   it's that it's the elephant in the room [TS]

01:36:09   is that we all pretty much know how it's [TS]

01:36:11   going to end [TS]

01:36:12   yeah because because we have to know how [TS]

01:36:13   it's going to end and yet the funny [TS]

01:36:15   thing was even though I knew that dad [TS]

01:36:16   later wasn't going to stop the ship and [TS]

01:36:18   get the plans that same still had some [TS]

01:36:20   tension and some thrilling this to it [TS]

01:36:23   because of the desperation of the men [TS]

01:36:24   who were getting killed it was like it [TS]

01:36:26   reminded me of a saying in like [TS]

01:36:27   submarine movies when the submarines [TS]

01:36:29   filling up with water and they're [TS]

01:36:30   shutting doors and people are trying to [TS]

01:36:31   not run on a submarine I had a real kind [TS]

01:36:34   of human tension yeah there was there [TS]

01:36:36   was real visceral miss to it yeah [TS]

01:36:38   actually actually made me think of it [TS]

01:36:39   like a scene in watership down where a [TS]

01:36:41   bunch of rabbits are trying to escape a [TS]

01:36:42   Warren that they're in [TS]

01:36:43   yeah it's the say it's the same thing [TS]

01:36:45   like narrow confined space clear problem [TS]

01:36:48   obstruction right now i can understand [TS]

01:36:51   it [TS]

01:36:51   emotionally it was it was great and I [TS]

01:36:53   also see the problem with how capable [TS]

01:36:56   Darth Vader is their man he's he's doing [TS]

01:36:59   he's doing amazing things and this is [TS]

01:37:01   the same guy that two or three days [TS]

01:37:04   later is going to have sort of an [TS]

01:37:05   old-age pension a fight with really went [TS]

01:37:08   beyond the data where these two slow [TS]

01:37:10   lumbering out there so I do see that [TS]

01:37:13   problem but even though Darth Vader was [TS]

01:37:16   clearly too agile and he's doing things [TS]

01:37:18   that are two amazing he does kind of [TS]

01:37:20   have a kind of lumbering oaf ish [TS]

01:37:23   movement to him even [TS]

01:37:24   he's doing it so even though he's a bit [TS]

01:37:26   too athletic and it does it does break [TS]

01:37:28   the continuity they didn't overdo it [TS]

01:37:31   they didn't have him doing Darth Maul [TS]

01:37:33   karate car with yes and he there was a [TS]

01:37:35   kind of Hawking lumbering get out of my [TS]

01:37:38   way Boom Bang I'm a big-time Haggard the [TS]

01:37:41   giant trying to get these plans exactly [TS]

01:37:44   they went too far but they didn't go too [TS]

01:37:46   far by too much right and it kind of it [TS]

01:37:48   kind of worked I i completely agree [TS]

01:37:50   right he's like a Frankenstein's monster [TS]

01:37:52   feel to him yeah which is again why the [TS]

01:37:54   scene works he's not agile yeah he is he [TS]

01:37:57   is a tank coming to crush you [TS]

01:37:59   yeah that's what yeah yeah so that [TS]

01:38:01   worked and anyway he has a great saying [TS]

01:38:04   is the shit gets away and he's there in [TS]

01:38:05   the airlock having missed it by that [TS]

01:38:07   much [TS]

01:38:08   and then we have the final few seconds [TS]

01:38:10   where the plans are handed to our [TS]

01:38:13   princess layer in her white robe and we [TS]

01:38:15   turn around we see her face and she says [TS]

01:38:17   her cheesy cheesy line at the end of my [TS]

01:38:20   good what did you think of those find a [TS]

01:38:22   few seconds then is awful just really [TS]

01:38:24   awful and I kind of dropped the ball [TS]

01:38:26   didn't know they did a in much the same [TS]

01:38:28   way revenge of the sith mucked up their [TS]

01:38:30   death later ending [TS]

01:38:32   I mean surely the way princess leia [TS]

01:38:33   looked freaked you out talk about [TS]

01:38:35   uncanny valley [TS]

01:38:36   yeah it's yeah it was it was that [TS]

01:38:38   there's there's a few problems with this [TS]

01:38:39   thing is like okay so so this whole [TS]

01:38:41   sequence with Vader is amazing and I can [TS]

01:38:44   see why they want to end the movie on [TS]

01:38:45   this [TS]

01:38:46   yeah but I kept thinking doesn't this [TS]

01:38:47   belong in the space battle rightly that [TS]

01:38:50   this seems like it should come sooner in [TS]

01:38:53   the movie but it also just had this [TS]

01:38:55   problem of like Laius seems really happy [TS]

01:38:58   in this shot it's like all she's getting [TS]

01:39:01   away like she scampering away and she's [TS]

01:39:03   she's clutching hope in her hands and it [TS]

01:39:05   feels emotionally wrong it's like wait [TS]

01:39:09   you're the princess like who knows how [TS]

01:39:11   many people have just died here [TS]

01:39:13   yeah it yeah I mean she's just saying [TS]

01:39:15   she's just saying several ships full of [TS]

01:39:17   all her colleagues yea crash into a Star [TS]

01:39:20   Destroyer probably at probably a [TS]

01:39:22   thousand people she's facebook friends [TS]

01:39:23   with have just died in front of her and [TS]

01:39:25   she's like who you know [TS]

01:39:27   yeah it's like got away right yeah and [TS]

01:39:30   and it's like this layer does not feel [TS]

01:39:31   like the layout on Hoth who was trying [TS]

01:39:34   to get everybody out of the base before [TS]

01:39:36   her [TS]

01:39:36   yeah this is a layer who's who [TS]

01:39:38   zipping off to have a fun adventure in [TS]

01:39:40   the next three movies [TS]

01:39:41   yeah and I just I didn't like it i think [TS]

01:39:43   the line is is really clunky it doesn't [TS]

01:39:45   work and she looks terrible [TS]

01:39:48   I just don't think they need to do it [TS]

01:39:50   and it's what it strikes to me as is [TS]

01:39:52   like the leia on screen is supposed to [TS]

01:39:54   be reflecting emotionally what they want [TS]

01:39:57   the audience to feel right and and [TS]

01:39:59   that's why I think this scene comes at [TS]

01:40:01   the end as opposed to in the actual [TS]

01:40:03   battle itself is because this is what [TS]

01:40:06   they want you to leave on right what [TS]

01:40:07   they don't want you to leave on is a [TS]

01:40:09   nuclear holocaust where everybody dies [TS]

01:40:12   everybody who have just been following [TS]

01:40:13   for the last two hours and supposedly [TS]

01:40:15   caring about from from our from a guy [TS]

01:40:17   and a girl and a robot and a ninja and [TS]

01:40:20   everyone everyone's just everyone's dead [TS]

01:40:22   yeah and we're supposed to go whoo yeah [TS]

01:40:24   yeah but and I I'm convinced that's why [TS]

01:40:27   the movie ends this way and and that's [TS]

01:40:29   also why they have layer react as they [TS]

01:40:32   want the audience to react not as the [TS]

01:40:35   actual character of Princess Leia would [TS]

01:40:37   react and and that's what I thought as [TS]

01:40:40   bad ending really really bad anything [TS]

01:40:43   i'm also surprised that they would want [TS]

01:40:44   the audience to feel that way i don't [TS]

01:40:46   know i thought it should be a bit more [TS]

01:40:48   bittersweet [TS]

01:40:48   well i mean ok so I I'm convinced this [TS]

01:40:51   is like a like a marketing decision [TS]

01:40:54   right that they want people to walk out [TS]

01:40:57   of the movie feeling like they just had [TS]

01:40:58   an amazing adventure and I mean I have [TS]

01:41:01   to say my my second viewing there [TS]

01:41:04   happened to be a bunch of families with [TS]

01:41:05   with kids in the theater I was watching [TS]

01:41:08   how they walked out and everybody seemed [TS]

01:41:10   to walk out like oh boy that was fun fun [TS]

01:41:12   adventure right in a way that I think [TS]

01:41:14   even children watching a movie that ends [TS]

01:41:16   in a nuclear holocaust where everybody [TS]

01:41:18   dies they probably wouldn't have liked [TS]

01:41:20   left out of their seats and then like [TS]

01:41:21   fun excitement I feel like this is a [TS]

01:41:24   committee decision that we don't want [TS]

01:41:26   people to go into a Star Wars movie and [TS]

01:41:28   leave on a downer right we want them to [TS]

01:41:31   feel like you're leaving the theater on [TS]

01:41:33   a high like wasn't that a rip-roaring [TS]

01:41:34   adventure that you just had think I say [TS]

01:41:36   the empire strikes back then we have but [TS]

01:41:38   that's what makes it such a great movie [TS]

01:41:40   that's the biggest one of the best [TS]

01:41:42   movies ever made [TS]

01:41:43   yeah but it's it's like but you can't [TS]

01:41:46   produce that consistently yeah right and [TS]

01:41:50   so I think that's why this occurred [TS]

01:41:51   even if the the downer ending i think [TS]

01:41:54   would have made the film stronger and I [TS]

01:41:56   think that's why that's why it didn't [TS]

01:41:58   happen [TS]

01:41:59   how would you invented the film and [TS]

01:42:01   that's a tough question because I [TS]

01:42:01   haven't thought of an ass of myself yet [TS]

01:42:03   but I'm just thinking what could you [TS]

01:42:04   have done differently could you have had [TS]

01:42:06   the rebel blockade runner get away and [TS]

01:42:08   then going back down to the planet and [TS]

01:42:10   had the tidal wave and that's kind of [TS]

01:42:12   what I'm thinking right is like you see [TS]

01:42:14   that the plans have made it out but but [TS]

01:42:16   you do end with a big explosion where [TS]

01:42:19   everybody dies but the only problem with [TS]

01:42:21   that is there the darth vader chasing [TS]

01:42:24   the plans saying was so good I almost [TS]

01:42:27   couldn't have taken much more after that [TS]

01:42:28   like if I'd I like that was a real [TS]

01:42:31   rollicking way to end the film like it [TS]

01:42:34   was a real thrill and and things ended [TS]

01:42:38   so quickly after that maybe see princess [TS]

01:42:39   life for 10 seconds and bang but ships [TS]

01:42:41   guard and it ends like so in some ways [TS]

01:42:43   that kind of high-energy ending did kind [TS]

01:42:45   of work it was just the cheesy line and [TS]

01:42:48   the distracting way that Princess Leia [TS]

01:42:49   looked at ruined i would have been quite [TS]

01:42:52   happy for the movie to end with the [TS]

01:42:54   blockade running gag away and Darth [TS]

01:42:55   Vader at the airlock and that would [TS]

01:42:58   segues nicely into New Hope but just the [TS]

01:43:01   cheese of the line [TS]

01:43:02   yeah and the destruction of the face and [TS]

01:43:05   and did all of that [TS]

01:43:06   yeah and and her wink at the camera as [TS]

01:43:08   she takes off right too much [TS]

01:43:12   yeah it's i would i would have a much [TS]

01:43:16   more down or ending but I i agree with [TS]

01:43:17   you like I can understand you know if i [TS]

01:43:20   was working at Disney and on the [TS]

01:43:21   committee that's making these movies [TS]

01:43:23   like you have a bunch of things that [TS]

01:43:24   you're trying to do and i would probably [TS]

01:43:25   under the circumstances decide to do it [TS]

01:43:27   this way right whereas if you're asked [TS]

01:43:29   me like how would I end this movie it's [TS]

01:43:30   it's like well this is involved with [TS]

01:43:33   questions about how i would structurally [TS]

01:43:34   rewrite almost every single thing that [TS]

01:43:36   occurs right yeah because like what [TS]

01:43:40   happened like how would how would you [TS]

01:43:42   fix this disaster in the last 30 seconds [TS]

01:43:45   it's like you know what they did what [TS]

01:43:46   they did was flying because there's [TS]

01:43:47   nothing that you're really gonna do [TS]

01:43:48   that's gonna going to fix all the [TS]

01:43:50   problems that I that I have [TS]

01:43:51   what's your sort of course you're [TS]

01:43:52   closing thoughts then I mean what are we [TS]

01:43:54   what have we done [TS]

01:43:55   what's happened my closing thoughts are [TS]

01:43:57   the feeling I had on my way to the [TS]

01:44:00   theater last night when i was going to [TS]

01:44:03   watch it which was I was happy to see a [TS]

01:44:06   Star Wars movie and and more than that I [TS]

01:44:08   was happy [TS]

01:44:10   on my way to the theater to have the [TS]

01:44:13   feeling of the pressure is off in a [TS]

01:44:17   sense that we know that from now until [TS]

01:44:22   the end of copyright protection which [TS]

01:44:26   will be at the same time as the heat [TS]

01:44:27   death of the universe [TS]

01:44:28   disney is going to be releasing Star [TS]

01:44:30   Wars movies some of them will be good [TS]

01:44:32   and some of them will be bad but I feel [TS]

01:44:35   like after force awakens we've all had a [TS]

01:44:37   bit of a catharsis and I can go see a [TS]

01:44:41   Star Wars movie and if it is bad if I [TS]

01:44:44   don't like it that's fine [TS]

01:44:46   there will be more star wars movies and [TS]

01:44:49   while that makes Star Wars less special [TS]

01:44:51   it does it does mean that it becomes [TS]

01:44:54   like any other movie where it's like [TS]

01:44:55   well you don't have to see bad movies [TS]

01:44:57   and you can just rewatched the movies [TS]

01:44:59   that you think are good while I think [TS]

01:45:01   it's pretty clear that i did not like [TS]

01:45:03   this movie I'm fine with that [TS]

01:45:05   I don't like I'm fine with that because [TS]

01:45:07   there's going to be more to come [TS]

01:45:09   and some of them I expect we'll be good [TS]

01:45:11   and some of them I expect we'll be bad [TS]

01:45:13   but it feels like the pressures off [TS]

01:45:15   what is it about force awakens that has [TS]

01:45:17   created that scenario you could have [TS]

01:45:19   said this before force awakens are they [TS]

01:45:21   going to make a bunch of more star wars [TS]

01:45:22   films it doesn't matter anymore what was [TS]

01:45:24   it about that film that created this new [TS]

01:45:27   scenario [TS]

01:45:28   well I think we do want to have a [TS]

01:45:30   conversation about force awakens again [TS]

01:45:31   but now is not that time I i was i will [TS]

01:45:35   unless you want to go for another two [TS]

01:45:36   hours because i actually have a whole [TS]

01:45:37   bunch of thoughts but i will just say [TS]

01:45:39   that force awakens the feeling was I am [TS]

01:45:42   seeing a Star Wars movie and I'm really [TS]

01:45:44   liking it and I can see it multiple [TS]

01:45:45   times in the theater and I'm happy right [TS]

01:45:47   now I'd like I've had that good [TS]

01:45:48   experience and it was simply just the [TS]

01:45:50   confirmation that like this could happen [TS]

01:45:53   again okay right there can be good Star [TS]

01:45:55   Wars movies they won't always be [TS]

01:45:57   terrible [TS]

01:45:57   that's what is that that's that's why I [TS]

01:46:00   feel like force awakens was catharsis so [TS]

01:46:02   force awakens basically made it clear [TS]

01:46:05   that those first three films in the [TS]

01:46:07   seventies and eighties who were like a [TS]

01:46:10   one-off they there there is the route [TS]

01:46:13   good style was movies you know because [TS]

01:46:15   then there were three terrible ones in a [TS]

01:46:16   row [TS]

01:46:16   calgon with those three the only ones [TS]

01:46:18   we're going to say right now force [TS]

01:46:19   awakens just proved at first first three [TS]

01:46:21   weren't fluke or you know [TS]

01:46:24   yeah it's not it's not that it's not [TS]

01:46:25   that force awakens was as good as the [TS]

01:46:26   original trilogy that but it's that I [TS]

01:46:28   can watch and and enjoy and feel like [TS]

01:46:31   I'm having a fun time watching star wars [TS]

01:46:33   movie right that's that's what it [TS]

01:46:34   confirmed like this can happen again [TS]

01:46:36   yeah and so now seeing road 10 feeling [TS]

01:46:38   like god what a mess [TS]

01:46:40   it's it's not at like an additional [TS]

01:46:42   feeling of disappointment that like [TS]

01:46:44   they'll never get it right again [TS]

01:46:46   yeah and and so that that that's the [TS]

01:46:48   feeling I mean I think I mean broke one [TS]

01:46:50   is an order of magnitude better than the [TS]

01:46:53   prequels oh oh yeah I'd rather watch [TS]

01:46:56   Road one three times in a row then watch [TS]

01:46:58   one of the prequels once [TS]

01:47:00   yeah yeah just to be just to be clear [TS]

01:47:02   like yeah just just to be absolutely [TS]

01:47:04   clear I don't feel like I wasted my time [TS]

01:47:06   seeing road one like I've had not just [TS]

01:47:08   for work purposes like I i I'm I'm glad [TS]

01:47:10   I went and saw it was good enough to be [TS]

01:47:12   worth you know you ten quid and a couple [TS]

01:47:15   of hours and afternoon but I maybe I [TS]

01:47:17   liked obviously liked it more than you [TS]

01:47:18   but i think i think it was you know like [TS]

01:47:20   i said it was my thumb is above the [TS]

01:47:22   horizontal so it doesn't get it does get [TS]

01:47:25   a slight thumbs up for me but it is it [TS]

01:47:28   is very flawed who and it's just not fun [TS]

01:47:31   it's just not fun movie that's the [TS]

01:47:32   problem it's like I could forgive bad [TS]

01:47:35   scripting if I like if it was fun [TS]

01:47:37   who that wasn't even that fund it was it [TS]

01:47:39   was it took itself quite seriously [TS]

01:47:41   except for the droid and there were lots [TS]

01:47:44   of mindless battle today like it [TS]

01:47:46   you know the old fashioned ending of the [TS]

01:47:47   film just people just shooting the crap [TS]

01:47:49   out of each other for half-an-hour [TS]

01:47:51   happened [TS]

01:47:52   so anyway i'll be curious to hear and [TS]

01:47:54   read and see what everyone else in the [TS]

01:47:57   world thinks now [TS]

01:47:58   yeah me too um I'll be curious to see [TS]

01:48:00   what the reaction is alright but let's [TS]

01:48:03   go back to all of my notes about what [TS]

01:48:04   happened to Jenna because i have many [TS]

01:48:06   points that I want to still hang on [TS]