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H.I. #69: Ex_Machina


00:00:00   I hear you have a listener photo that [TS]

00:00:01   you want to start with Brady just when [TS]

00:00:05   you think the listener photos cannot [TS]

00:00:08   possibly get any better [TS]

00:00:10   the ante has been up once again you [TS]

00:00:13   remember last episode I'm sure who are [TS]

00:00:16   listening and listening photo was dingy [TS]

00:00:18   yes of course remind us what was it was [TS]

00:00:22   an actor on air crash investigators way [TS]

00:00:27   but I know that somewhere in the world [TS]

00:00:29   is called Mayday that's right it's [TS]

00:00:30   called Mayday somewhere i know that it's [TS]

00:00:32   code made in America now this was an [TS]

00:00:35   actor who's playing an air traffic [TS]

00:00:36   controller in an episode of air crash [TS]

00:00:38   investigation and the episode was the [TS]

00:00:40   crash in which the Gulf a pain Stewart [TS]

00:00:43   and a number of other people very [TS]

00:00:44   unfortunately died when their lead yet [TS]

00:00:47   decompressed they got hypoxia and [TS]

00:00:50   presumably died and the plane sort of [TS]

00:00:53   flew like a ghost plane over a large [TS]

00:00:55   tract of the u.s. until it ran out of [TS]

00:00:57   fuel and during that time a number of [TS]

00:01:01   fighter jets were sort of sent up to try [TS]

00:01:04   and see what was going on with this [TS]

00:01:05   ghost plane that was just flying north [TS]

00:01:07   america and they sort of pulled up next [TS]

00:01:08   to it and try to look through the [TS]

00:01:10   windows and see what was going on they [TS]

00:01:12   thought it probably had a compressed and [TS]

00:01:13   we all know the rest [TS]

00:01:15   Randolph you'll crash into the ground so [TS]

00:01:18   I had another email from a listener to [TS]

00:01:22   hello Internet [TS]

00:01:24   this was wine wine says dear dr. heron [TS]

00:01:28   so I like him already Brady does like [TS]

00:01:31   that he doesn't like it when you show [TS]

00:01:32   deference well it shows he's a temp food [TS]

00:01:36   though he says dear dr. hair i am an air [TS]

00:01:39   traffic controller who was directly [TS]

00:01:42   involved with the events depicted in [TS]

00:01:44   season 1 episode 16 of plane crash [TS]

00:01:47   investigator only silence I was of the [TS]

00:01:51   controller who sent the f-15 fighter [TS]

00:01:54   jets to run the initial intercept on [TS]

00:01:57   pains to its chatter now [TS]

00:02:00   really it's very exciting but I'm [TS]

00:02:04   beginning to wonder that you're being [TS]

00:02:05   taken in because this is now going very [TS]

00:02:08   far down there [TS]

00:02:09   rabbit hole listeners to the show we are [TS]

00:02:12   going deep [TS]

00:02:13   anyway I've read on he says I was in the [TS]

00:02:16   process of listening to HR number 68 and [TS]

00:02:19   checking the show notes when I reviewed [TS]

00:02:21   the listener photo i laughed out loud [TS]

00:02:24   there are many many things wrong with [TS]

00:02:26   the set of air traffic control [TS]

00:02:28   workstation a few ones are you like this [TS]

00:02:31   if you have the choice ones are the red [TS]

00:02:33   phone apparently there's no red phone [TS]

00:02:36   you know the radar scope itself and what [TS]

00:02:39   is shown on the scope so he decided to [TS]

00:02:42   go and watch the whole episode he [TS]

00:02:44   tracked down on youtube and he says from [TS]

00:02:46   the air traffic control side of the [TS]

00:02:47   equation the amount of inaccuracies was [TS]

00:02:50   staggering i would love to explain to [TS]

00:02:53   you a love of aviation how the intercept [TS]

00:02:56   went down and where the show go over [TS]

00:02:57   things wrong [TS]

00:02:58   we have not yet had that discussion but [TS]

00:02:59   if it but it seems inevitable [TS]

00:03:02   ok yes yes now as you can imagine i was [TS]

00:03:06   a bit suspicious gray you know this [TS]

00:03:08   seems almost too good to be true [TS]

00:03:10   yeah but i'm not sure how this business [TS]

00:03:11   you'd actually be actually like even if [TS]

00:03:13   you think you're being suspicious that [TS]

00:03:15   you still really wanted to be true [TS]

00:03:17   I didn't want it to be true that so I [TS]

00:03:20   did ask for photos another email follows [TS]

00:03:24   he calls me Brady now I'm not dr. hair [TS]

00:03:27   anymore so we've obviously we've moved [TS]

00:03:28   beyond up there and hang on a first-name [TS]

00:03:30   basis now ok we are [TS]

00:03:32   Brady after securing permission from the [TS]

00:03:35   Chief of Air Facility jacksonville air [TS]

00:03:37   route traffic control center i was able [TS]

00:03:39   to take some photos as requested [TS]

00:03:42   he points out he's an email in his break [TS]

00:03:44   they will not allow photography in the [TS]

00:03:46   actual control room because of national [TS]

00:03:48   security but i was able to get a photo [TS]

00:03:50   in the refresher training dynamic [TS]

00:03:51   simulation lab which is mocked up to [TS]

00:03:53   resemble the control room as much as [TS]

00:03:55   possible although not perfectly without [TS]

00:03:58   displaying live traffic only can [TS]

00:04:00   scenarios for training purposes the [TS]

00:04:02   scope is set to the sector that took the [TS]

00:04:04   handoff from mci orlando approach and [TS]

00:04:07   issued to climb to FL 264 lat level 260 [TS]

00:04:10   26,000 feet so he's got the training [TS]

00:04:13   station and he's mocked it up with the [TS]

00:04:15   actual sector that was involved in this [TS]

00:04:17   incident and he's sitting in front of it [TS]

00:04:19   holding of course iphone displaying [TS]

00:04:22   hello Internet send it to an hour gray [TS]

00:04:25   this is wayne not the pretend air [TS]

00:04:29   traffic controller we had last week but [TS]

00:04:30   the actual air traffic controller i have [TS]

00:04:33   to say this looks way more like what a [TS]

00:04:36   real air traffic control center would [TS]

00:04:38   look like in no small part because like [TS]

00:04:41   that keyboard looks really clunky and [TS]

00:04:43   old and I feel like that's what I would [TS]

00:04:44   expect an air traffic controller to [TS]

00:04:46   actually be using is like all but [TS]

00:04:48   reliable equipment very very reliable if [TS]

00:04:53   you think that's good you should see the [TS]

00:04:54   other picture he sent us the second [TS]

00:04:56   photo is of me in the lobby with my [TS]

00:04:58   facility while on break in front of the [TS]

00:05:00   sole remaining RadarScope from the old [TS]

00:05:02   system that was in use when I controlled [TS]

00:05:05   the fighters to intercept pains to its [TS]

00:05:06   jet so this second picture is the actual [TS]

00:05:09   type of scope that he was using at the [TS]

00:05:11   time so you put some ways this is even [TS]

00:05:12   more legit now that looks so old it's [TS]

00:05:16   crossed over in my brain that it looks [TS]

00:05:18   like something out of a 1950s sci-fi [TS]

00:05:20   movie that doesn't even look real [TS]

00:05:22   anymore [TS]

00:05:23   it looks like it's a prop on a very very [TS]

00:05:25   old film that's absolutely fantastic it [TS]

00:05:27   looks like that track ball in the center [TS]

00:05:28   is enormously well-used based on the [TS]

00:05:32   wearing pattern of the metal in front of [TS]

00:05:35   it [TS]

00:05:36   I don't know where this is going to end [TS]

00:05:38   gray we started with the actor now we've [TS]

00:05:41   got the person the actor was portraying [TS]

00:05:43   who what are we going to have next the [TS]

00:05:45   pilots of the fighter jets if you're [TS]

00:05:47   listening app pilots of the fighter jets [TS]

00:05:50   I feel like certainly this rabbit hole [TS]

00:05:53   has to end somewhere but I also feel [TS]

00:05:57   like there's definitely a lesson here [TS]

00:05:59   for people sending you to listen to her [TS]

00:06:01   photos like they've learned the real way [TS]

00:06:04   to get through this is to buy his senior [TS]

00:06:07   photos towards Brady it's also show [TS]

00:06:10   proper deference in the beginning when [TS]

00:06:13   you address him [TS]

00:06:17   can I just say this and I say this all [TS]

00:06:19   the time I do read all these emails that [TS]

00:06:21   come in and look at your pictures I [TS]

00:06:23   don't reply to the mall because if I [TS]

00:06:24   don't fly straight away I kind of can't [TS]

00:06:26   who but do send them they do get looked [TS]

00:06:29   and I have got a few in my kind of war [TS]

00:06:32   chest to bring up later on so if you [TS]

00:06:33   haven't made it onto the show yet [TS]

00:06:35   that means either i didn't use it gray [TS]

00:06:39   cut it or you still might be coming [TS]

00:06:41   look at you setting up false hope for [TS]

00:06:43   the masses to be fair it's pretty [TS]

00:06:47   unlikely you gonna get on the show if [TS]

00:06:48   you sent it more than a few months ago [TS]

00:06:50   but this is fantastic follow-up we [TS]

00:06:53   continue to go deeper into the rabbit [TS]

00:06:56   hole we are going to perfect it is a [TS]

00:07:00   little bit amazing isn't it [TS]

00:07:01   it is more than a little bit amazing [TS]

00:07:03   okay and on our list of follow-up we [TS]

00:07:08   also have what I feel like is again [TS]

00:07:11   feeding into the very eager of the show [TS]

00:07:14   that things we discuss seem to happen in [TS]

00:07:18   the world after we discuss them and sure [TS]

00:07:20   enough after we discussed your idea [TS]

00:07:23   about alien life the reveal of it [TS]

00:07:26   becoming boring through a series of [TS]

00:07:28   press conferences that inch toward the [TS]

00:07:30   actual reveal just a couple days after [TS]

00:07:32   the show [TS]

00:07:33   there was an article called this is not [TS]

00:07:35   a drill city is investigating possible [TS]

00:07:37   extraterrestrial signal from deep space [TS]

00:07:40   the aliens are reaching out to hello [TS]

00:07:42   Internet this is nuts and i have to say [TS]

00:07:46   i did feel very very vindicated by this [TS]

00:07:49   little new story that happened not hours [TS]

00:07:53   after many people have listened to last [TS]

00:07:55   FFL internet for those who missed this [TS]

00:07:58   and you could well have missed the first [TS]

00:08:01   contact because it was a pretty low-key [TS]

00:08:02   story basically i think it was some [TS]

00:08:05   russian astronomers yes reported a [TS]

00:08:09   signal coming from a star which looks [TS]

00:08:12   like a you know could be alien in origin [TS]

00:08:15   and it was all this excitement it did [TS]

00:08:17   make the front page of a couple of [TS]

00:08:18   reputable newspapers and it was a big [TS]

00:08:20   story it was cloaked in the suspicion [TS]

00:08:23   that always does seem to click some [TS]

00:08:25   announcements that come from Russia who [TS]

00:08:28   like because it wasn't shared with the [TS]

00:08:30   scientific community in a timely manner [TS]

00:08:32   so it could be checked and therefore [TS]

00:08:33   people were like we'll hang on [TS]

00:08:35   why are they being secretive about it [TS]

00:08:36   and sure enough a few days later the [TS]

00:08:39   authorities and Russia themselves I [TS]

00:08:41   think basically said are actually we now [TS]

00:08:43   think this was probably not aliens it [TS]

00:08:45   was probably to rest riyal in origin who [TS]

00:08:47   so the story went away and just like I [TS]

00:08:51   said false alarms minor announcements [TS]

00:08:54   reviews when we finally here ETA it's [TS]

00:08:58   going to be like this it's going to be [TS]

00:09:00   boring i totally agree this is one of [TS]

00:09:02   these things where I through an [TS]

00:09:05   avalanche of people on Twitter received [TS]

00:09:07   news of this story about like there's a [TS]

00:09:09   signal that might be intelligent life [TS]

00:09:11   out there in the universe so i received [TS]

00:09:13   it like tons of stuff about this story [TS]

00:09:14   and then as always goes with these [TS]

00:09:16   things that you don't hear any of the [TS]

00:09:18   follow-up so I was not aware of like oh [TS]

00:09:20   now just like every other time we think [TS]

00:09:23   it's some kind of signal bounced off [TS]

00:09:24   earth or it's something else in the [TS]

00:09:25   universe like a look we've discovered [TS]

00:09:27   quasars you know whatever it is it turns [TS]

00:09:29   out to be reasonably uninteresting but [TS]

00:09:32   what it makes me think of which i'm [TS]

00:09:33   pretty sure have said before on the show [TS]

00:09:34   but I was always surprised by when I did [TS]

00:09:37   the space topic with my students the [TS]

00:09:39   number of students that thought humans [TS]

00:09:41   had already been on Mars and any news of [TS]

00:09:45   like oh we're working towards going on [TS]

00:09:47   Mars was totally uninteresting to them [TS]

00:09:48   because they're like hasn't this already [TS]

00:09:50   happened [TS]

00:09:51   I wonder with press releases like this [TS]

00:09:54   or things that go out how many people [TS]

00:09:56   just like somewhere in the back of their [TS]

00:09:57   mind might be thinking like didn't we [TS]

00:09:59   already discover aliens like how is this [TS]

00:10:01   even knew that this happened a long time [TS]

00:10:03   ago that discussion we had last time [TS]

00:10:07   came in handy actually because I've [TS]

00:10:09   actually just been on holiday the last [TS]

00:10:10   45 days [TS]

00:10:11   oh yeah i was actually up in the [TS]

00:10:12   mountains near Marrakech again where I [TS]

00:10:15   sometimes go with my wife and have very [TS]

00:10:17   clear skies they are not and we went [TS]

00:10:19   outside like on sun loungers and we just [TS]

00:10:22   were looking at the stars with sometimes [TS]

00:10:23   just go and look at the stars and see if [TS]

00:10:24   we can spot a couple shooting stars and [TS]

00:10:27   things like that and see if we can see a [TS]

00:10:28   satellite or the space station [TS]

00:10:30   it's really cool actually because they [TS]

00:10:32   give you the special cloaks you can put [TS]

00:10:33   out when you go outside and not they [TS]

00:10:35   look just like Jedi cloaks they're like [TS]

00:10:37   brown and I've got a hood so it's like [TS]

00:10:39   you two Jedi is just going out to look [TS]

00:10:40   up at the stars [TS]

00:10:41   these are the hood that you have sent [TS]

00:10:44   pictures of yourself pretending to be a [TS]

00:10:46   Jedi in right like this is these clocks [TS]

00:10:48   which is what you go to this place yes [TS]

00:10:50   pretend village at i basically it's like [TS]

00:10:53   Jedi so yeah so anyway we were lying [TS]

00:10:56   there on the sunday and just looking up [TS]

00:10:57   at the sky old stars and you know my [TS]

00:11:00   wife doesn't listen to hello internet [TS]

00:11:01   and but I leaned over and said I've got [TS]

00:11:04   something for you to listen to and i [TS]

00:11:06   just played her the section of hello [TS]

00:11:07   Internet why do you beware way and in [TS]

00:11:09   particular you talked about looking up [TS]

00:11:11   at the sky and how like menacing it [TS]

00:11:13   could be because it's so suspiciously [TS]

00:11:15   silent men is this a sign that there's [TS]

00:11:17   like a reason that silent up there like [TS]

00:11:19   should we be shutting up so I should [TS]

00:11:21   have listened to this and i played it [TS]

00:11:23   what was the reaction like why would you [TS]

00:11:28   do this [TS]

00:11:29   I don't know my wife it does quite like [TS]

00:11:31   conspiracy theory stuff sometimes I [TS]

00:11:33   thought she'd like it when she asked a [TS]

00:11:35   few questions and made a few comments [TS]

00:11:37   but overall I think the final conclusion [TS]

00:11:40   was I have enough stuff in the world to [TS]

00:11:43   worry about it we are worried about it [TS]

00:11:45   in the board coming head and destroying [TS]

00:11:47   the earth like there's not much I can do [TS]

00:11:49   about that and I think her main [TS]

00:11:51   sentiment was why the heck if you put [TS]

00:11:53   that idea in my head now so that when i [TS]

00:11:55   look at the sky i can think about that [TS]

00:11:57   too [TS]

00:11:57   I feel like that's my job sometimes [TS]

00:11:59   again I can plant an idea in someone's [TS]

00:12:01   head that never goes away I feel like [TS]

00:12:03   missing the cartilage to it does beg the [TS]

00:12:06   question why you worried about it though [TS]

00:12:08   because you're mr. you know i won't [TS]

00:12:11   recycle or use one towel because i can't [TS]

00:12:14   make a difference to the environment [TS]

00:12:16   well you sure as heck can't make a [TS]

00:12:17   difference to the electromagnetic [TS]

00:12:20   radiation that humans are sending out [TS]

00:12:21   into the universe or how the universe [TS]

00:12:23   will respond to that electromagnetic [TS]

00:12:25   radiation so what the heck you even [TS]

00:12:27   thinking about that for [TS]

00:12:28   I mean isn't this would worries are [TS]

00:12:30   thoughts that pop up irrationally [TS]

00:12:32   sometimes that's what I worry is this [TS]

00:12:35   like I'm perfectly well aware there's [TS]

00:12:37   nothing I can do to save humanity from [TS]

00:12:40   the apocalypse of the abyss that's [TS]

00:12:43   coming [TS]

00:12:43   there's nothing I can do about that it's [TS]

00:12:45   just a thing that your mind turns to on [TS]

00:12:48   occasion but that's what we're doing is [TS]

00:12:50   Brady [TS]

00:12:51   cgpgrey being irrational my whole belief [TS]

00:12:54   system is crumbling down around me I [TS]

00:12:56   feel like anybody who has listen to this [TS]

00:12:57   podcast long enough can find plenty of [TS]

00:12:59   examples of me not being perfectly [TS]

00:13:01   rational i don't think this is like a [TS]

00:13:03   rare instance [TS]

00:13:04   okay well that's a nice little segue for [TS]

00:13:07   us to talk about the Apple watch [TS]

00:13:09   oh haha ok you want to beat me up about [TS]

00:13:13   the Apple watch again let's go [TS]

00:13:15   I do because this is my ongoing crusade [TS]

00:13:18   to save your horological so I sort of [TS]

00:13:21   picture the other day that horrified me [TS]

00:13:24   and I sent it to you deny you sent me a [TS]

00:13:27   picture it was like some group of [TS]

00:13:29   politicians in a press conference room [TS]

00:13:31   somewhere and one of them was wearing an [TS]

00:13:34   apple watching and you thought this was [TS]

00:13:35   like a horrifying thing to send me that [TS]

00:13:38   I would just recoil from and I don't [TS]

00:13:41   know why it was all these important [TS]

00:13:43   people sitting around the table in the [TS]

00:13:45   Cabinet Room the Prime Minister there [TS]

00:13:47   and they're all wearing what seemed to [TS]

00:13:48   me to be quite nice sensible dignified [TS]

00:13:50   classy watches and then there's just one [TS]

00:13:53   minister there with her [TS]

00:13:55   Tonka truck play watch it just stands [TS]

00:13:59   out like something it stands out like a [TS]

00:14:02   woman who knows what she's doing who's [TS]

00:14:04   on top of the latest trends and [TS]

00:14:06   technology is always connected if she [TS]

00:14:08   needs to be when i see the apple watch [TS]

00:14:10   on her wrist [TS]

00:14:11   I assume she's the most competent person [TS]

00:14:12   in the room i think that's the message [TS]

00:14:14   the apple watch sentence be honest with [TS]

00:14:16   me cry when you look at actually it's [TS]

00:14:18   not like that which is at the tip you're [TS]

00:14:21   always like no beyond his with me you [TS]

00:14:23   always open with that because you cannot [TS]

00:14:25   believe my actual parts at do you really [TS]

00:14:29   think that looks good i think it looks [TS]

00:14:31   perfectly fine and i think you just [TS]

00:14:32   making a mountain out of nothing here [TS]

00:14:35   Brady it's like people wear watches [TS]

00:14:37   people where smartwatches I think it's [TS]

00:14:40   perfectly fine i'm not a big fan of the [TS]

00:14:42   white band but i would be not a fan of a [TS]

00:14:45   white band on almost any watch so I feel [TS]

00:14:48   like that's besides the point here you [TS]

00:14:50   have an issue with what you refer to [TS]

00:14:52   constantly as the Dead face of the Apple [TS]

00:14:54   watch which to me just doesn't register [TS]

00:14:56   as that it's not the Dead face that [TS]

00:14:58   bothers me [TS]

00:14:59   what bothers you still that you just [TS]

00:15:02   can't let go at [TS]

00:15:03   it just doesn't look good it doesn't it [TS]

00:15:06   looks it's the wrong shape and I don't [TS]

00:15:08   know it looks like someone's trying to [TS]

00:15:10   where you know computer on their hand [TS]

00:15:12   and that's exactly what they're doing [TS]

00:15:14   yeah I know well tell me about the new [TS]

00:15:17   one there was a big apple announcement [TS]

00:15:19   wasn't there did you watch the Apple k [TS]

00:15:20   night this week [TS]

00:15:22   yeah as we are recording the apple [TS]

00:15:25   keynote was last night and as usual and [TS]

00:15:28   you like to try to set aside time to [TS]

00:15:30   watch these things because I'm always [TS]

00:15:31   very interested in what's going to [TS]

00:15:33   happen so sit back relax have a glass of [TS]

00:15:37   wine see what Tim Cook brings forth for [TS]

00:15:41   the masses before we talk about what was [TS]

00:15:44   brought forth can I just say my god i'm [TS]

00:15:46   familiar with apple keynote and I've [TS]

00:15:47   seen bits of them the floor but i don't [TS]

00:15:49   usually watch them and I dipped into [TS]

00:15:51   this one because I thought I have a [TS]

00:15:52   quick look and see what's going on em [TS]

00:15:53   because i saw on twitter that was on my [TS]

00:15:56   goodness what an outdated car crash that [TS]

00:15:59   presentation for me is it was so bad it [TS]

00:16:03   looks like a parody i think i said at [TS]

00:16:06   the time it looks like an onion spoof of [TS]

00:16:08   a TEDTalk mm it's also earnest and so [TS]

00:16:12   like everything's awesome and thanks Tim [TS]

00:16:16   I'm so proud to be up here and tell you [TS]

00:16:18   about what we're doing and it's such an [TS]

00:16:20   antiquated way for a big technology [TS]

00:16:22   company to be announcing things to the [TS]

00:16:25   world it's like some kind of school [TS]

00:16:28   variety show where the principal says [TS]

00:16:30   okay everyone now i'm going to introduce [TS]

00:16:32   little Jimmy that I'm not working really [TS]

00:16:35   hard all week on this is written this [TS]

00:16:37   power for you i want you all to listen [TS]

00:16:39   really carefully now everyone let's give [TS]

00:16:42   Jimmy a big clap as he cums on the stage [TS]

00:16:44   yeah Jimmy Jimmy and then Jimmy comes [TS]

00:16:46   out says thanks to him I am so proud to [TS]

00:16:50   be here i have been learning my lines [TS]

00:16:53   off by heart and i have been told where [TS]

00:16:56   to look and how to move my body in the [TS]

00:16:59   right way to do this demonstration here [TS]

00:17:03   is my announcement [TS]

00:17:05   thank you very much clap clap thanks [TS]

00:17:08   Jimmy [TS]

00:17:09   that was awesome now he is sandy it's [TS]

00:17:13   like I can't believe these are like [TS]

00:17:14   multi-millionaires leading the bigger [TS]

00:17:17   technology company in the world it's [TS]

00:17:19   horrendous I'm genuinely curious what do [TS]

00:17:23   you think would be a better way to do [TS]

00:17:26   this well I don't see why it has to be [TS]

00:17:28   done in this live show kinda way for a [TS]

00:17:33   start but em like I think the cool thing [TS]

00:17:37   to do would be just have them appear in [TS]

00:17:39   the store but of course then you've got [TS]

00:17:41   to fade the media but at the same time [TS]

00:17:42   that they just appear in the store you [TS]

00:17:44   would feed the media what they need and [TS]

00:17:46   of course you've got to put Tim Cook [TS]

00:17:48   forward so that there's someone to put [TS]

00:17:49   on the TV news and he has to hold the [TS]

00:17:51   objects i get there has to be footage [TS]

00:17:53   but this parade of people onstage [TS]

00:17:55   prancing around like they're doing [TS]

00:17:57   tedtalks i find it completely [TS]

00:17:59   cringe-worthy and in terms of getting [TS]

00:18:02   media time I don't see the TV use very [TS]

00:18:05   often using like all those crappy [TS]

00:18:07   tedtalks anyway they're only going to [TS]

00:18:09   use a few clips from the boss anyway I [TS]

00:18:11   think it's silly I don't understand [TS]

00:18:13   tell me what school or tell me what's [TS]

00:18:14   the way to do it see the thing is I [TS]

00:18:16   don't know if I really disagree with you [TS]

00:18:19   and I feel like Apple has had a couple [TS]

00:18:23   of these in a row that were not great i [TS]

00:18:28   think it last night's one was kind of [TS]

00:18:30   boring just from an announcement [TS]

00:18:31   perspective like they didn't really have [TS]

00:18:33   a whole lot new to talk about that they [TS]

00:18:35   certainly were kind of trying to present [TS]

00:18:36   it that way but it's funny because I was [TS]

00:18:39   kind of actually thinking something [TS]

00:18:41   similar to what you were thinking about [TS]

00:18:42   like boy this is very low information [TS]

00:18:47   density like the number of bullet points [TS]

00:18:50   that i'm going to get out of this [TS]

00:18:51   presentation does not represent the two [TS]

00:18:54   hours long that it is and i do have to [TS]

00:18:57   say a bunch of the presenters felt super [TS]

00:19:00   rehearsing and it's always like I can't [TS]

00:19:02   blame them for that because I imagine if [TS]

00:19:04   you're speaking on behalf of what is [TS]

00:19:06   sometimes the world's most valuable [TS]

00:19:08   company [TS]

00:19:09   you can't go out there and kind of wing [TS]

00:19:11   it like I'm sure absolutely everything [TS]

00:19:12   has to be totally approved i think the [TS]

00:19:16   reason that it happens is because they [TS]

00:19:20   want an event to gather together all of [TS]

00:19:23   the press people who immediately after [TS]

00:19:26   that event they make the devices [TS]

00:19:29   available for everybody [TS]

00:19:30   the press to try them out and to shoot [TS]

00:19:32   their reviews and to put up like first [TS]

00:19:34   impressions you know this kind of thing [TS]

00:19:36   like I think that's why it's there so [TS]

00:19:38   that they can get someone like mkbhd to [TS]

00:19:42   come to San Francisco to see the event [TS]

00:19:46   and then to talk about the device on his [TS]

00:19:49   youtube channel like an hour later and I [TS]

00:19:51   think that their goal with those [TS]

00:19:54   presentations is to try to like shape [TS]

00:19:58   the mind of the media people before they [TS]

00:20:02   see the thing that's my guess anyway I [TS]

00:20:04   feel like if I was in charge of Apple [TS]

00:20:06   like that's what I've been trying to do [TS]

00:20:07   like I want to influence the media [TS]

00:20:09   people to think about the phone in this [TS]

00:20:11   way right not in some other way [TS]

00:20:15   well that makes sense grow and I can see [TS]

00:20:17   why they would want to do that i just [TS]

00:20:19   think they could do a bit cooler i mean [TS]

00:20:22   i know a lot of people hate on apple and [TS]

00:20:23   a lot of people love them i tend to [TS]

00:20:25   think most things that will do it pretty [TS]

00:20:26   cool mmm i think most of their devices [TS]

00:20:28   are cool i think the shops of cool [TS]

00:20:30   places staffed by you know kind of young [TS]

00:20:33   people and that and I think this is the [TS]

00:20:35   one time every year that Apple seems [TS]

00:20:37   like it's a bunch of corny dad's at work [TS]

00:20:41   and it's the coldest thing Apple does i [TS]

00:20:44   take it that you didn't see the very [TS]

00:20:46   opening of this event then now I've read [TS]

00:20:48   about that was a carpool karaoke thing [TS]

00:20:50   but I'm scared to look at a car crash [TS]

00:20:52   that obey it was totally baffling to me [TS]

00:20:54   because i have never heard of carpool [TS]

00:20:56   karaoke I have no idea what this thing [TS]

00:20:58   is and when i started watching [TS]

00:21:00   advantages like Tim Cook is in a car [TS]

00:21:02   singing Sweet Home Alabama and they're [TS]

00:21:05   just bantering about stuff is like oh [TS]

00:21:07   god I don't know what this is but this [TS]

00:21:09   is horrified like this is not this isn't [TS]

00:21:12   a good way to start things guides [TS]

00:21:14   I mean I like carpool karaoke I think [TS]

00:21:16   they're pretty cool but there's no way I [TS]

00:21:18   want to watch them cook doing it because [TS]

00:21:19   I know how bad that ok I've got nothing [TS]

00:21:21   against tim cook but he's not cool [TS]

00:21:23   yeah i think he is a as far as i can [TS]

00:21:26   tell like fantastic operations guy but [TS]

00:21:29   yak cool he is not and he also has the [TS]

00:21:32   problem of not quite passing the [TS]

00:21:36   Maryland point of being uncool enough [TS]

00:21:39   that he becomes cool um ok [TS]

00:21:42   which-which built liability idea that [TS]

00:21:44   people never it's like watching him and [TS]

00:21:47   carpool karaoke my feeling was oh god [TS]

00:21:50   you're inches away from the Maryland [TS]

00:21:53   point but on the wrong side of this so i [TS]

00:21:55   am actually just very uncomfortable [TS]

00:21:57   watching this [TS]

00:21:58   yeah I don't think Tim Cook celebrates [TS]

00:22:01   his uncoolness the way that someone like [TS]

00:22:03   Bill Gates does you know I think Tim [TS]

00:22:05   Cook thinks he's kinda cool and he [TS]

00:22:08   should realize he's not and celebrate [TS]

00:22:10   that [TS]

00:22:10   yeah you never know that the minds of [TS]

00:22:13   other people i mean i feel like it takes [TS]

00:22:16   a lot of guts to do something like that [TS]

00:22:17   because he's gonna know that he's not [TS]

00:22:20   cool and just do carpool karaoke anyway [TS]

00:22:23   because it's kind of fun although i [TS]

00:22:25   always find Apple a bit cringe-worthy [TS]

00:22:26   when they say bring on celebrities and [TS]

00:22:28   whose feels like Apple becomes a little [TS]

00:22:30   bit of a screaming fangirl all of a [TS]

00:22:33   sudden when they bring out like look [TS]

00:22:34   it's bona alright look it's this guy in [TS]

00:22:37   the car who somebody else is coming in [TS]

00:22:39   the car like look at all of these [TS]

00:22:40   celebrities who love Apple I mean I'm no [TS]

00:22:42   expert here and i can get found out for [TS]

00:22:44   my lack of Apple knowledge but I feel [TS]

00:22:46   like in recent years they've been taken [TS]

00:22:48   a beating for choosing slightly uncool [TS]

00:22:51   celebrities that Tim Cook think so cool [TS]

00:22:54   so it's like people like Bono and [TS]

00:22:57   Coldplay and that whoever there is a [TS]

00:22:58   little bit of our that's kind of how [TS]

00:22:59   your dad's into exactly [TS]

00:23:02   obviously this year's someone has gotten [TS]

00:23:03   in there and said Nana we're not having [TS]

00:23:05   the BGC at him with what you have to do [TS]

00:23:08   is you have to get that James Corden [TS]

00:23:11   going because everybody's talking about [TS]

00:23:13   him he's big on YouTube anybody who's [TS]

00:23:15   anybody is going into his car that's [TS]

00:23:17   what we've got to do so i think this has [TS]

00:23:19   been a desperate attempt to make Tim [TS]

00:23:21   Cook look a bit more relevant to young [TS]

00:23:22   people and I don't know I don't know how [TS]

00:23:26   well it worked but I think that's what [TS]

00:23:27   they were trying to do i'm not sure it [TS]

00:23:29   works i'm not sure if that was their [TS]

00:23:31   goal but i do have to totally agree with [TS]

00:23:34   you that this one was I felt in a lot of [TS]

00:23:37   points like the presenters were a bit [TS]

00:23:38   awkward [TS]

00:23:39   it felt kind of rushed or just not like [TS]

00:23:42   a smooth machine and it is always weird [TS]

00:23:45   when they turn over the stage to another [TS]

00:23:48   person and then bring it back and thank [TS]

00:23:50   you have just planted into my mind the [TS]

00:23:53   idea that it's a school principal like [TS]

00:23:54   pointing to [TS]

00:23:55   Timmy who's going to do a presentation I [TS]

00:23:57   will never not have that in my mind now [TS]

00:23:59   when Tim Cook like hands it over to [TS]

00:24:01   somebody else like she is she's been [TS]

00:24:04   practicing for two weeks and we don't [TS]

00:24:06   look like she's been practicing for [TS]

00:24:08   three weeks as well that is gonna be my [TS]

00:24:10   mind every time now so thanks for that [TS]

00:24:12   but it's going to be in my mind because [TS]

00:24:14   there's something about it which is true [TS]

00:24:16   even though before I was trying to make [TS]

00:24:18   the argument that when I think they're [TS]

00:24:19   really doing is trying to sway the minds [TS]

00:24:24   of the media before they see the devices [TS]

00:24:28   hmm I wonder like does it really matter [TS]

00:24:31   i mean i know this goes into my biases [TS]

00:24:32   of like I think people overestimate the [TS]

00:24:35   importance of news stories or like media [TS]

00:24:38   reports on things of course there's no [TS]

00:24:40   way to now but it's like let's say all [TS]

00:24:42   of the media comes out and just slams [TS]

00:24:45   the next iphone how many people will [TS]

00:24:48   care [TS]

00:24:49   like what would that translate into in [TS]

00:24:51   terms of percentage change in sale of [TS]

00:24:54   iphones like I just don't know I almost [TS]

00:24:57   wonder like is this whole thing worth [TS]

00:25:00   doing that does matter i think [TS]

00:25:02   word-of-mouth matters like over [TS]

00:25:04   breakfast tomorrow when we're talking [TS]

00:25:06   about are we going to upgrade our [TS]

00:25:07   iphones you so apparently it's pretty [TS]

00:25:09   crap that's what i saw in the paper that [TS]

00:25:11   can be enough to stop someone buying a [TS]

00:25:13   fine [TS]

00:25:13   oh yeah apparently it's a bit crappy [TS]

00:25:15   apparently he's uglier than the other [TS]

00:25:17   ones like those headline things do [TS]

00:25:19   matter [TS]

00:25:20   I think shaping and crafting the message [TS]

00:25:22   is important actually as skeptical as [TS]

00:25:24   I'm about and I think you know PR is [TS]

00:25:25   evil and I can see why they do it and I [TS]

00:25:28   say what's important [TS]

00:25:29   I just think the way they're doing it is [TS]

00:25:30   bad and you and I have been talking for [TS]

00:25:32   20 minutes about how uncool apolis it's [TS]

00:25:35   true I guess I should rephrase my [TS]

00:25:37   earlier point because if you say [TS]

00:25:39   something like oh the new phone is bad [TS]

00:25:41   like okay people won't buy it but what I [TS]

00:25:43   mean is what is the percentage that [TS]

00:25:46   Apple can possibly move the minds of the [TS]

00:25:49   people who are going to be viewing the [TS]

00:25:51   phone anyway right in one direction or [TS]

00:25:53   another I know that I agree with if [TS]

00:25:55   you've had your plane ticket paid for [TS]

00:25:57   and you've been wined and dined and [TS]

00:25:58   you're getting five seconds of face time [TS]

00:26:01   with Tim coozeman past you in the [TS]

00:26:02   corridor that's powerful stuff [TS]

00:26:05   yeah like journalists are very [TS]

00:26:06   susceptible to junkets and freebase [TS]

00:26:09   everybody is like it's so easy to show [TS]

00:26:11   that like the trivial list of gifts [TS]

00:26:14   influences people's minds even if they [TS]

00:26:16   don't think that it does like you just [TS]

00:26:18   can't not have this happen and this is [TS]

00:26:22   why companies like to give stuff to [TS]

00:26:25   people like to just review even just [TS]

00:26:27   receiving the thing for free like no [TS]

00:26:29   matter how much you try it does have a [TS]

00:26:32   little bit of an influence yeah on your [TS]

00:26:34   mind like it can't not the thing that I [TS]

00:26:36   wonder with those presentations is [TS]

00:26:38   almost always feel relief when they kind [TS]

00:26:40   of cut away from the actual presentation [TS]

00:26:42   to the pre-made videos [TS]

00:26:45   they'll have like here's a little video [TS]

00:26:47   about the new iphone which would like [TS]

00:26:48   try to encapsulate everything in two [TS]

00:26:50   minutes and here's a little video about [TS]

00:26:51   the Apple watch when i found myself [TS]

00:26:54   wondering last night was what if you [TS]

00:26:56   just did the videos like what if you [TS]

00:26:57   just drop those videos on YouTube and [TS]

00:27:00   that was it and then phone show up in [TS]

00:27:02   the store the next day how much of a [TS]

00:27:04   difference would that mean I can see why [TS]

00:27:06   they need an excuse to get the important [TS]

00:27:10   people in one place like you said [TS]

00:27:12   earlier I can't see that and i can see [TS]

00:27:14   what needs to become an event like the [TS]

00:27:17   Super Bowl you know that where people [TS]

00:27:18   come together and there are parties the [TS]

00:27:20   night before and not just to hold the [TS]

00:27:23   things but just to bring people together [TS]

00:27:24   in the feeling that this is an occasion [TS]

00:27:27   this is important enough that we all [TS]

00:27:29   need to be reporting on it and all the [TS]

00:27:30   other journalists here reporting on it [TS]

00:27:32   so i need to be reporting on i agree [TS]

00:27:34   with that I just think they're format is [TS]

00:27:36   looking really tired they upgrade [TS]

00:27:38   everything else they do every 20 seconds [TS]

00:27:40   and yet they won't upgrade this boring [TS]

00:27:42   old format of this [TS]

00:27:43   k night what upgrades you want them to [TS]

00:27:46   do that like shorter fewer handoffs what [TS]

00:27:48   you wanted a great if I was that smile [TS]

00:27:50   probably wouldn't be here doing a [TS]

00:27:51   podcast with you I'd be some millionaire [TS]

00:27:53   consultant in America better i don't [TS]

00:27:55   know what the solution is I just know [TS]

00:27:57   that what they're doing [TS]

00:27:58   looks terrible I couldn't watch [TS]

00:28:00   embarrassed for them [TS]

00:28:01   how are you everyone super thanks for [TS]

00:28:04   asking [TS]

00:28:05   this is amazing that was fabulous [TS]

00:28:09   just to be clear that the listeners like [TS]

00:28:11   even though I've been kind of agreeing [TS]

00:28:13   with you that this year wasn't a [TS]

00:28:14   particularly great presentation like [TS]

00:28:16   maybe the change some things up next [TS]

00:28:17   year [TS]

00:28:18   I do personally like watching it because [TS]

00:28:21   i'm really interested in this and I [TS]

00:28:23   think there's always a fun game which is [TS]

00:28:25   the speculate what is going on inside [TS]

00:28:28   Apple game based on like what you see on [TS]

00:28:30   the outside and what they say that kind [TS]

00:28:32   of Criminology is a thing that I am just [TS]

00:28:35   interested in with regards to apple and [TS]

00:28:38   as always there's no explaining any [TS]

00:28:39   interest like that's why I will sit down [TS]

00:28:42   and I'll watch it like and I am kind of [TS]

00:28:44   very curious about the details like [TS]

00:28:45   who's doing what [TS]

00:28:47   what things are they choosing to focus [TS]

00:28:48   on right I I like all of that stuff [TS]

00:28:51   this is me being like someone who's a [TS]

00:28:53   policy wonk and who is super into the [TS]

00:28:56   details of like a particular candidates [TS]

00:28:58   platform like what do they think about [TS]

00:29:00   this you know what are they gonna do [TS]

00:29:01   with that i am aware like outside of [TS]

00:29:05   myself and a relatively small group of [TS]

00:29:09   people like most of the world doesn't [TS]

00:29:10   care [TS]

00:29:10   I think they're just gonna be like oh [TS]

00:29:11   there's a new phone in the store when [TS]

00:29:13   they walk by and they see it in the [TS]

00:29:14   window like that is essentially [TS]

00:29:16   everybody's experience i don't agree [TS]

00:29:19   with that there's a new phone in the [TS]

00:29:21   window thing i do you think people are [TS]

00:29:23   aware that when apple announced what the [TS]

00:29:26   new phone is all the new computers or [TS]

00:29:27   the new technologies it is like an event [TS]

00:29:30   people do know that but my wife I said [TS]

00:29:32   to my wife are the new iphones are [TS]

00:29:33   coming out soon because it was in my [TS]

00:29:35   head and she said yes being announced on [TS]

00:29:36   September seven so like people do know [TS]

00:29:39   it's an event and a time of the year and [TS]

00:29:41   that and so Apple have been smart to do [TS]

00:29:42   that and like i said i agree with making [TS]

00:29:45   a big who hired a big event and maybe [TS]

00:29:48   even doing something that gives the [TS]

00:29:49   Apple nodes that you some kind of [TS]

00:29:51   glimpse then maybe just do it better and [TS]

00:29:54   that's always the best advice just do it [TS]

00:29:57   better at the things you're not doing [TS]

00:30:02   well don't do those two things better [TS]

00:30:04   so in terms of the actual announcements [TS]

00:30:07   anything worth knowing i know there's a [TS]

00:30:09   new version of the watch that's not much [TS]

00:30:11   different and the phone is waterproof [TS]

00:30:13   and the microphone jacks on the way out [TS]

00:30:16   that seems to be all i know yeah people [TS]

00:30:18   are really upset about the headphone [TS]

00:30:19   jack like that's that's kind of a big [TS]

00:30:21   story i guess but this one I just felt [TS]

00:30:25   like there was not really anything of [TS]

00:30:28   note [TS]

00:30:30   it's like they've made a phone that's [TS]

00:30:31   the exact same size as the phone before [TS]

00:30:33   and they're like oh it's faster ok sure [TS]

00:30:36   it's faster I can understand they have a [TS]

00:30:38   new camera on it but it just to me and [TS]

00:30:41   it's it just seemed like there wasn't [TS]

00:30:42   really anything of supernote like I'm [TS]

00:30:44   glad there's a new version of the Apple [TS]

00:30:46   watch which is coming out again like [TS]

00:30:47   it's a little faster but nothing of [TS]

00:30:49   supernote and I feel like the past to [TS]

00:30:52   apple events have been this way for me [TS]

00:30:53   of like oh there's new things you have [TS]

00:30:56   some new hardware and the new version of [TS]

00:30:59   your operating system is coming out but [TS]

00:31:01   it just feels like nothing for me in [TS]

00:31:04   these last two apple events like over to [TS]

00:31:07   on significant interesting wow I can't [TS]

00:31:10   wait to get my hands on that kind of [TS]

00:31:11   exciting stuff [TS]

00:31:13   this comes just a little boring an apple [TS]

00:31:14   world you still buy everything and [TS]

00:31:16   upgrade everything presumably i'm going [TS]

00:31:17   to get the new watch [TS]

00:31:18   but i don't think i'm gonna get the new [TS]

00:31:20   phone as we discussed before like I'm [TS]

00:31:23   very happy with my small size phone i [TS]

00:31:26   really like it i might have been tempted [TS]

00:31:28   away back to the 6 plus which i think is [TS]

00:31:31   the only other reasonable size if they [TS]

00:31:34   had actually made it smaller and [TS]

00:31:36   significantly lighter but this is like [TS]

00:31:39   the one year i'm thinking like if Apple [TS]

00:31:41   makes the phone a little bit smaller a [TS]

00:31:43   little bit lighter i might go back [TS]

00:31:44   this is like the first year ever that [TS]

00:31:46   Apple's like no exact same size hope you [TS]

00:31:48   like it [TS]

00:31:49   so no new phone for me this time around [TS]

00:31:52   are you gonna be sticking with your SE I [TS]

00:31:55   am I am starting to have a few [TS]

00:31:57   annoyances with that [TS]

00:31:59   oh yeah like what yeah but mainly typing [TS]

00:32:02   I feel like I'm making more typing [TS]

00:32:05   errors and I am butt dialing with a more [TS]

00:32:09   often for some reason and things like [TS]

00:32:11   that and I seem to be miss pressing and [TS]

00:32:13   having problems with it more but that [TS]

00:32:16   also could because I've done away with [TS]

00:32:17   the case [TS]

00:32:19   mhm I didn't tell you my funny but tile [TS]

00:32:21   story is what I don't really know how [TS]

00:32:22   but dialing happens but please tell me [TS]

00:32:25   your butt dials do I know this isn't [TS]

00:32:26   exactly about dial story but this is [TS]

00:32:28   kind of like that [TS]

00:32:29   ok I was a wedding actually recently and [TS]

00:32:31   I was with Destin em Destin who is from [TS]

00:32:35   the youtube channel smarter every day [TS]

00:32:36   for people who don't know and he is a [TS]

00:32:38   great disciple of snapchat as we've [TS]

00:32:41   discussed before him and we were playing [TS]

00:32:43   on [TS]

00:32:43   snapchat together and we were making [TS]

00:32:45   funny videos and we were just clowning [TS]

00:32:46   around and suddenly my phone made a [TS]

00:32:49   noise that I've never heard before like [TS]

00:32:52   an alert like some strange noise [TS]

00:32:55   hmm and I didn't know what was going on [TS]

00:32:57   and I was touching the screen and try to [TS]

00:32:59   make it go away and I didn't know what's [TS]

00:33:01   going on and I touch something because [TS]

00:33:02   it went away and I was like what the [TS]

00:33:05   heck was there and then I was sort of [TS]

00:33:07   looking at the phone and the snapchat [TS]

00:33:09   app was open and I was looking at the [TS]

00:33:10   apt to try and figure out what was going [TS]

00:33:11   on and then I saw that someone had tried [TS]

00:33:14   to call me using snapchat snapchat turns [TS]

00:33:17   out has this kind of phone voice thing [TS]

00:33:20   that you can do to call people and this [TS]

00:33:22   was news to me and I was like destiny [TS]

00:33:24   look man [TS]

00:33:25   someone tried to call me some stranger's [TS]

00:33:27   tried to call me that's outrageous [TS]

00:33:29   like I didn't even know that could [TS]

00:33:30   happen and Destin was kind of looking [TS]

00:33:33   going on and what's going on and then [TS]

00:33:34   suddenly this voice comes out of the [TS]

00:33:36   phone saying our hi I'm here and I [TS]

00:33:39   didn't call you you code me and like [TS]

00:33:43   what had happened was like some stranger [TS]

00:33:45   who snap i looked at or something quite [TS]

00:33:47   obviously just press some button next to [TS]

00:33:49   that person's name to phone them out of [TS]

00:33:51   the blue they haven't known what's going [TS]

00:33:54   on [TS]

00:33:54   they've answered the phone and there's [TS]

00:33:56   me saying could you believe some [TS]

00:33:58   stranger's tried to call me this is [TS]

00:34:00   outrageous and test and i were talking [TS]

00:34:02   about and he was just like the poor sod [TS]

00:34:03   was just there listening to us talking [TS]

00:34:05   and he was like why I didn't I didn't [TS]

00:34:08   call you and then I was like who is this [TS]

00:34:10   and he said he was and we had a chat and [TS]

00:34:12   I'm like oh I'm here with destiny was [TS]

00:34:13   like that's great and we ended up having [TS]

00:34:15   a chair with him [TS]

00:34:16   oh haha i was super apologetic because i [TS]

00:34:20   was just a total ham-fisted idiot who [TS]

00:34:22   interrupted this poor persons day but we [TS]

00:34:25   had a chat to him for a while that was [TS]

00:34:26   nice and then I was like well anyway so [TS]

00:34:28   sorry about Latin and hang up [TS]

00:34:31   I mean to be fair if it's snapchat this [TS]

00:34:33   is not fun dialing this is just you [TS]

00:34:35   pressed one of their unlabeled [TS]

00:34:37   hieroglyphics or you swiped wrong on the [TS]

00:34:39   screen right who knows is the controls [TS]

00:34:43   of the spaceship and alien race like you [TS]

00:34:44   press a button and it means we're going [TS]

00:34:46   to cause a random [TS]

00:34:47   anyway it was really nice about it and [TS]

00:34:50   I'm our medical for myself but another [TS]

00:34:53   pitfall of snapchat careful it's not [TS]

00:34:55   just accidentally following people or [TS]

00:34:57   accidentally things like that now she [TS]

00:34:58   can accidentally phone someone and not [TS]

00:35:00   know your phone them and then they're [TS]

00:35:02   listening to you talk right [TS]

00:35:03   great more and more reasons to use [TS]

00:35:05   snapchat every day although this makes [TS]

00:35:09   me think [TS]

00:35:10   are you one of those people Brady who if [TS]

00:35:11   you are talking about someone who's not [TS]

00:35:15   in the room feels the need to check [TS]

00:35:18   their phone to make sure that their [TS]

00:35:19   phone isn't on and hasn't called the [TS]

00:35:21   person do you do this i am not but I did [TS]

00:35:24   have a friend who used to do that [TS]

00:35:25   because he got burned by he was talking [TS]

00:35:27   negatively about someone and he had butt [TS]

00:35:29   dialed that person and i was listening [TS]

00:35:31   to him i was about to launch into a like [TS]

00:35:32   boy isn't this a ridiculous thing that [TS]

00:35:35   people worry about like I know several [TS]

00:35:37   people who do this and I always find [TS]

00:35:38   it's just the strange behavior ever but [TS]

00:35:40   you're telling me you actually know [TS]

00:35:41   someone this happened to thinking maybe [TS]

00:35:44   this is the thing that's not so [TS]

00:35:45   incredible I mean to be fair it was his [TS]

00:35:48   girlfriend at the time and if there's [TS]

00:35:50   one person you're likely to accidentally [TS]

00:35:52   call it probably girlfriend because [TS]

00:35:54   she's not going to be the last person [TS]

00:35:55   you find and if there's someone you're [TS]

00:35:56   likely to be talking about behind their [TS]

00:35:58   back it could also be your girlfriend so [TS]

00:36:00   while it's incredibly unlucky if it was [TS]

00:36:03   ever going to happen that would be one [TS]

00:36:04   of the more likely scenarios so I think [TS]

00:36:06   he was saying things about his [TS]

00:36:08   girlfriend that were not complementary [TS]

00:36:09   and she was listening from his pocket so [TS]

00:36:11   from that time on whenever we were out [TS]

00:36:13   like at bars and things like that if he [TS]

00:36:15   was talking about anyone he took his [TS]

00:36:16   phone out of his pocket and had a look [TS]

00:36:18   first [TS]

00:36:18   wow I can't believe you know some of [TS]

00:36:20   this actually happened to that's amazing [TS]

00:36:22   to me if someone accidentally called you [TS]

00:36:25   and they were talking about you would [TS]

00:36:28   you feel any responsibility to yell out [TS]

00:36:31   hey I'm right here listening to you or [TS]

00:36:33   we do it quietly listen the whole time I [TS]

00:36:36   don't know what I would do like if I do [TS]

00:36:38   get dialed occasionally and i actually [TS]

00:36:40   but doubt someone I work with the other [TS]

00:36:42   day and like they called me back and I [TS]

00:36:44   didn't know I'd call them and I'd been [TS]

00:36:45   out of bar being really Larry to say [TS]

00:36:47   goodness knows what they heard [TS]

00:36:48   but I accidentally once but Dad someone [TS]

00:36:51   who I work with and I was in a really [TS]

00:36:53   important business meeting talking about [TS]

00:36:54   that person and like deals and things [TS]

00:36:57   and they knew i was in this meeting and [TS]

00:36:59   you know who this person is and they set [TS]

00:37:01   there and listen to the whole meeting [TS]

00:37:02   and then afterward spoke to me about it [TS]

00:37:04   I feel like you're this amazing [TS]

00:37:05   epicenter of this thing actually [TS]

00:37:07   occurring rejected the cylinders like an [TS]

00:37:09   urban legend think it was occurs i will [TS]

00:37:13   confess to one thing em back in my [TS]

00:37:16   journalist days i did have like a [TS]

00:37:19   contact who would sometimes help me with [TS]

00:37:24   information and tell me stories that I [TS]

00:37:26   wasn't yet supposed to know about em and [TS]

00:37:29   this person accidentally found me once [TS]

00:37:31   from their bag but I wasn't sure if [TS]

00:37:33   they'd find me accidentally or they had [TS]

00:37:35   fine because they wanted me to hear [TS]

00:37:37   something important so I did stay on the [TS]

00:37:40   phone for a few minutes just in case [TS]

00:37:41   like I was supposed to hear some amazing [TS]

00:37:44   information but it turns out they were [TS]

00:37:45   shopping and walking around town and [TS]

00:37:47   after two or three minutes sounds like [TS]

00:37:48   RK that's an accident it wasn't a [TS]

00:37:51   meeting with the Illuminati and you were [TS]

00:37:53   here the only reporter who was going to [TS]

00:37:54   get the story out there exactly but you [TS]

00:37:57   never know [TS]

00:37:58   so I did stick with that one for a few [TS]

00:37:59   minutes until i realized now they just [TS]

00:38:01   start walking around [TS]

00:38:02   hello Internet today i have a book [TS]

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00:38:24   it's a weird title for a weird book but [TS]

00:38:28   boy did I like this one it's a novel and [TS]

00:38:31   just as with the movies that we want for [TS]

00:38:33   homework I think novels are best [TS]

00:38:35   appreciated cold without really any [TS]

00:38:37   introduction to the plot or the details [TS]

00:38:41   but i will say that how to get filthy [TS]

00:38:43   rich in rising asia is written in the [TS]

00:38:45   second person which means that instead [TS]

00:38:48   of most books which are written either [TS]

00:38:49   from the first person I or from the [TS]

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00:39:02   in the morning and you went to do [TS]

00:39:04   something now I know you're thinking [TS]

00:39:05   that probably sounds like a terrible way [TS]

00:39:07   to write a book and the last time you [TS]

00:39:09   read something like that was almost [TS]

00:39:10   certainly in some awful english class [TS]

00:39:13   where they forced you to read an overly [TS]

00:39:16   artsy and terribly boring piece of [TS]

00:39:19   writing like that but trust me how to [TS]

00:39:21   get filthy rich in rising asia i like it [TS]

00:39:23   way more than i expected that I would [TS]

00:39:25   and I found it really quite affecting so [TS]

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00:39:31   I get all of my audio books it's where [TS]

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00:39:55   from so there's always something to [TS]

00:39:57   listen to what I really like is I feel [TS]

00:39:59   super free to just try a book like this [TS]

00:40:02   one how to get filthy rich in rising [TS]

00:40:04   asia which maybe i'm not going to like [TS]

00:40:07   it all but if I don't like it I can just [TS]

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00:40:11   questions asked return policy on audio [TS]

00:40:13   books which I have definitely taken [TS]

00:40:15   advantage of more than once when [TS]

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00:40:20   any device at any time they make players [TS]

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00:40:48   show so gray something that doesn't [TS]

00:40:52   often happen to you you have been a [TS]

00:40:54   victim of rating I feel like in the [TS]

00:40:56   world of people who put out educational [TS]

00:40:59   videos i feel like i have been probably [TS]

00:41:02   one of the luckier people with regards [TS]

00:41:05   to not getting free booted I think [TS]

00:41:08   perhaps me Destin is the unluckiest [TS]

00:41:11   along [TS]

00:41:13   with your chemistry videos as well like [TS]

00:41:16   those get free booted all over the place [TS]

00:41:18   I feel like most of the time i have been [TS]

00:41:21   relatively getting off scot-free as far [TS]

00:41:24   as these things go but in the last video [TS]

00:41:26   that i just put up which was the one [TS]

00:41:28   about the simple solution to traffic [TS]

00:41:31   this was perhaps the first time that I [TS]

00:41:33   saw a video just getting free booted all [TS]

00:41:37   over facebook just like a ton of [TS]

00:41:39   different places all posting it and by [TS]

00:41:43   my rough estimate across all of the [TS]

00:41:45   various sources it was something like 10 [TS]

00:41:47   million views on facebook which [TS]

00:41:50   considering that the video gets like [TS]

00:41:52   three million views on YouTube which is [TS]

00:41:53   fantastic but of course as always with [TS]

00:41:56   the freebooting it does really hurt deep [TS]

00:41:59   to see your video getting spread in a [TS]

00:42:02   bunch of other places and you're not [TS]

00:42:04   really getting any of the rewards that [TS]

00:42:07   go along with it [TS]

00:42:08   well I've got a few questions worry [TS]

00:42:10   about it then moon first of all day if I [TS]

00:42:13   can make an observation about the video [TS]

00:42:15   itself [TS]

00:42:16   this is another excellent example to me [TS]

00:42:20   of things that I assume everyone knows [TS]

00:42:23   that maybe they don't know little [TS]

00:42:26   because i watch that video i thought it [TS]

00:42:27   was really good well explained and nice [TS]

00:42:29   that but I thought doesn't everyone know [TS]

00:42:31   this like this is what causes traffic [TS]

00:42:33   snarls and it's all human reaction times [TS]

00:42:35   and I saw these people sharing and [TS]

00:42:37   tweeting and saying this is amazing [TS]

00:42:39   great explains this and I'm going to [TS]

00:42:41   check this out i was like what happened [TS]

00:42:43   huh right is this news to people [TS]

00:42:46   gosh I feel like there's a thousand [TS]

00:42:48   videos waiting to be made now that I [TS]

00:42:49   thought were worth making all these [TS]

00:42:51   things I can explain to people that [TS]

00:42:53   maybe they don't know that i think is an [TS]

00:42:56   excellent excellent point because this [TS]

00:42:59   is like a skill i think in making any [TS]

00:43:02   kind of thing where you're explaining [TS]

00:43:03   stuff to people on the internet that i [TS]

00:43:05   often fall on the wrong side of as well [TS]

00:43:07   where it is super easy to over assume [TS]

00:43:12   how much other people know about any [TS]

00:43:15   topic and something that happens to me [TS]

00:43:17   sometimes when I'm like working on a [TS]

00:43:18   video is that by the time i get to the [TS]

00:43:21   end of the research phase was like okay [TS]

00:43:22   I've read a whole bunch of stuff about [TS]

00:43:23   this thing actually currently happening [TS]

00:43:25   with the video I'm working on [TS]

00:43:26   right now but it's like at the end of [TS]

00:43:28   this phase i end up with this feeling of [TS]

00:43:29   well doesn't just everybody know this [TS]

00:43:32   right it's like Shirley everybody just [TS]

00:43:34   does [TS]

00:43:35   it's so easy to over assume that the [TS]

00:43:37   things you know are the things that [TS]

00:43:39   everybody else knows [TS]

00:43:42   doesn't everybody who's got the [TS]

00:43:43   Antarctic is exactly perfect example is [TS]

00:43:48   absolutely perfect example [TS]

00:43:50   it's a thing that I think I'm bad at [TS]

00:43:52   this but I often try to remind myself [TS]

00:43:53   like the world contains essentially an [TS]

00:43:57   infinite amount of knowledge like [TS]

00:44:00   there's an infinite number of things to [TS]

00:44:02   know and practically by definition the [TS]

00:44:05   people who are going to spread this [TS]

00:44:07   video are going to be the people who [TS]

00:44:10   didn't know this right like the people [TS]

00:44:14   who do know this are not going to be [TS]

00:44:15   people who feel like wow I have to [TS]

00:44:17   really share this on twitter because [TS]

00:44:18   it's like a thing that's in their head [TS]

00:44:20   but I was really uncertain about how [TS]

00:44:23   this video would do because this was a [TS]

00:44:25   case where I thought I might be on the [TS]

00:44:27   wrong side of this i was thinking like I [TS]

00:44:29   bet enough people don't know this but i [TS]

00:44:31   might be totally wrong [TS]

00:44:33   like I might have just made a video [TS]

00:44:35   called did you know the moon goes around [TS]

00:44:37   the earth like there's a point at which [TS]

00:44:39   people don't know that and then there's [TS]

00:44:41   a point at which people do but you [TS]

00:44:43   assume like essentially everybody who's [TS]

00:44:45   old enough to be watching YouTube would [TS]

00:44:46   know if act like that so there is also a [TS]

00:44:48   point where you can be a big enough and [TS]

00:44:50   famous enough explain that everyone will [TS]

00:44:52   share it to I mean you probably could [TS]

00:44:54   make the moon goes around the earth just [TS]

00:44:55   like the resource could make that video [TS]

00:44:58   and you'd be guaranteed a higher [TS]

00:45:00   baseline of sharing but yeah but Vsauce [TS]

00:45:03   would somehow you know connect owed the [TS]

00:45:06   moon going around the earth and then all [TS]

00:45:07   of a sudden we be talking about like how [TS]

00:45:09   bread bakes like it would it would be [TS]

00:45:11   all over us right at me like oh and then [TS]

00:45:13   how much does your shadow way like we [TS]

00:45:15   can measure the shadow of the moon right [TS]

00:45:16   and like you just know that's how Vsauce [TS]

00:45:18   video will go i don't think a [TS]

00:45:19   straightforward video about the moon [TS]

00:45:21   going around the earth in the same way i [TS]

00:45:22   made a straightforward video about like [TS]

00:45:24   how does traffic happen i don't think [TS]

00:45:26   that would go anywhere unified it so [TS]

00:45:28   obviously the mistake that you made with [TS]

00:45:30   your self driving car video is I assume [TS]

00:45:33   someone else animated for you because it [TS]

00:45:35   didn't look like your animations vastly [TS]

00:45:37   beyond my skill level yeah had some very [TS]

00:45:39   nice [TS]

00:45:40   visualizations in it which was also very [TS]

00:45:42   helpful to the videos success i'm sure [TS]

00:45:44   but it also meant it was suddenly [TS]

00:45:46   eminently stealable because now it [TS]

00:45:49   wasn't just some nerdy American guy [TS]

00:45:52   explaining something cleverly it had [TS]

00:45:53   pretty pictures and that means [TS]

00:45:56   freebooters swoop [TS]

00:45:59   here's some eye candy for us to feed to [TS]

00:46:01   the masses do you think that was my [TS]

00:46:02   downfall is that it looked too good and [TS]

00:46:04   that's why I fallen into the realm of of [TS]

00:46:06   freebooting well it's not going to look [TS]

00:46:08   too good it visualized what you're [TS]

00:46:10   explaining normally your craft and the [TS]

00:46:13   thing that you do well is you explain [TS]

00:46:15   things well with words man the animation [TS]

00:46:18   is almost you know if your little jokes [TS]

00:46:20   and afterthoughts instantly people [TS]

00:46:22   occupied but this time the pictures did [TS]

00:46:26   more than your words did we have [TS]

00:46:27   pictures that tell the story this time [TS]

00:46:29   and that's brilliant [TS]

00:46:30   you know welcome to the medium of video [TS]

00:46:32   great thank you thank you i genuinely [TS]

00:46:35   have not really been involved in it like [TS]

00:46:37   I don't even mean that as a joke again [TS]

00:46:39   it is true like my videos are not [TS]

00:46:40   exactly videos in the same way that your [TS]

00:46:43   videos are video is so while you i am [TS]

00:46:46   welcoming you to the world of video with [TS]

00:46:47   open arms i'm also will continue to the [TS]

00:46:49   world of freebooting they have been out [TS]

00:46:52   to say so you obviously got free booted [TS]

00:46:54   like a wild man and i know it because [TS]

00:46:56   most people who know that you don't [TS]

00:46:58   really miles and tweets we're alerting [TS]

00:46:59   me to the free routing of grace video [TS]

00:47:01   thank you very much for that up is not [TS]

00:47:04   you don't need to alert me to graze [TS]

00:47:06   videos being free boat just it's bad [TS]

00:47:08   enough when you let me to mine [TS]

00:47:10   no I say I think you do need to know [TS]

00:47:11   really the extra funny thing about this [TS]

00:47:14   is i did have a suspicion that this one [TS]

00:47:17   was going to be give booted I thought [TS]

00:47:20   our there's a couple sections in here [TS]

00:47:21   where I can already see this is becoming [TS]

00:47:23   a gif on imager and repeated like 28 [TS]

00:47:27   million times [TS]

00:47:28   so yeah I don't know if you saw but on [TS]

00:47:31   my blog when I actually posted the video [TS]

00:47:34   i prepared for being gift booted by gift [TS]

00:47:37   booting myself by taking what i thought [TS]

00:47:39   was like the most little iconic shot [TS]

00:47:42   which is a bunch of cars going around a [TS]

00:47:44   circle and in the video you only see it [TS]

00:47:47   for a few seconds these cars going [TS]

00:47:49   around a circle in a traffic way of [TS]

00:47:50   going around [TS]

00:47:51   the opposite direction so that will be [TS]

00:47:53   great have a gift that's actually the [TS]

00:47:55   complete thing and let me try to water [TS]

00:47:58   market with where it actually came from [TS]

00:48:00   so i can i'm adding value with this gift [TS]

00:48:03   like here internet go ahead gift boot [TS]

00:48:05   this all over the place [TS]

00:48:07   I didn't see a single person totes to [TS]

00:48:09   know it's like why do that when you can [TS]

00:48:12   just make your own from the video and [TS]

00:48:13   put your watermark on it but i thought [TS]

00:48:16   like look this gift is a perfect gifts [TS]

00:48:18   it's smooth right it goes all the way [TS]

00:48:19   around if you couldn't even pull this [TS]

00:48:21   out of the video if you want to do [TS]

00:48:22   nope it's like if you make it think [TS]

00:48:24   available it's like it's no more fun [TS]

00:48:26   anymore to give boot [TS]

00:48:27   no I don't want that is going to take [TS]

00:48:28   your video that's right grand i think [TS]

00:48:31   one of the things that people don't [TS]

00:48:32   understand about freebooting i think a [TS]

00:48:34   lot of people think freebooters are like [TS]

00:48:36   altruistic and all they're trying to do [TS]

00:48:38   is share the love em but no the most [TS]

00:48:41   freebooters are not that they're trying [TS]

00:48:42   to build their own followings in their [TS]

00:48:44   own base and their own Facebook page in [TS]

00:48:46   their own reputation as a supplier of [TS]

00:48:49   interesting content they don't want to [TS]

00:48:51   just share the love and maybe help great [TS]

00:48:53   on the way they're all about themselves [TS]

00:48:55   and building themselves and you've given [TS]

00:48:57   them a nice juicy piece of yummy content [TS]

00:48:59   yeah that they can take and then get all [TS]

00:49:01   the glory for finding and sharing and [TS]

00:49:03   don't think that most freebooters [TS]

00:49:05   altruistic people most of them are not [TS]

00:49:08   yeah they're not these indie rebel [TS]

00:49:09   pirates that are you know trying to get [TS]

00:49:11   the plans to the death star to save the [TS]

00:49:13   galaxy [TS]

00:49:14   they're all about themselves and you [TS]

00:49:16   totally right i attempt to pre gift boot [TS]

00:49:19   myself was doomed before it even started [TS]

00:49:21   thinking about it all wrong way i was [TS]

00:49:24   thinking about the totally wrong [TS]

00:49:25   audience because you write every place [TS]

00:49:27   where i saw that it had hundreds of [TS]

00:49:29   thousands or millions of views was [TS]

00:49:31   obviously just a professional content [TS]

00:49:33   aggregator and who does this all the [TS]

00:49:34   time [TS]

00:49:35   the thing is I wouldn't be so frustrated [TS]

00:49:38   by this if so I've done a couple of [TS]

00:49:41   little experiments trying to put videos [TS]

00:49:43   up on facebook to see like what if I do [TS]

00:49:46   what I think facebook wants me to do [TS]

00:49:48   which is like in bed my own videos using [TS]

00:49:51   their actual player and put it up on [TS]

00:49:53   facebook like I have done little tests [TS]

00:49:55   in this direction to try to let you put [TS]

00:49:57   my toe in the water and the end result [TS]

00:50:01   has always been like all your videos do [TS]

00:50:02   terribly on facebook [TS]

00:50:03   if you post your own video on facebook [TS]

00:50:06   it doesn't do very well if somebody else [TS]

00:50:08   post your video on facebook millions of [TS]

00:50:10   views right it's like yeah it's doubly [TS]

00:50:12   frustrating it's like facebook if you [TS]

00:50:15   could make my own videos the source of [TS]

00:50:18   all of these views i would be much more [TS]

00:50:21   likely to give in to what you want which [TS]

00:50:23   is to just put my own videos on there as [TS]

00:50:25   well but my own tests have said like [TS]

00:50:27   this is not a useful endeavor and so we [TS]

00:50:29   end up in this negative feedback loop [TS]

00:50:31   where it's like I resent having a [TS]

00:50:33   facebook page in the first place so i [TS]

00:50:34   don't necessarily spend a lot of time on [TS]

00:50:36   it that just feeds into the cycle like [TS]

00:50:38   when other people post your videos [TS]

00:50:40   it gets even more viral it's just it's [TS]

00:50:42   very frustrating and there is no way [TS]

00:50:45   around it but I do just want to say very [TS]

00:50:47   quickly a quick thank you to everybody [TS]

00:50:50   in my audience who reported all the [TS]

00:50:53   various facebook freebooting is because [TS]

00:50:56   right after the video went up there were [TS]

00:50:58   some things i had to attend to so i [TS]

00:51:00   couldn't actually spend a bunch of time [TS]

00:51:01   filling have fun copyright forms on [TS]

00:51:04   facebook to try to get this stuff taken [TS]

00:51:05   down but I was quite pleased to see that [TS]

00:51:08   when I did go back around to try to [TS]

00:51:10   after-the-fact futilely pointlessly try [TS]

00:51:14   to get some of the stuff taken down that [TS]

00:51:16   essentially everything had already been [TS]

00:51:18   reported into oblivion and remove so [TS]

00:51:21   thank you to my audience members who did [TS]

00:51:23   report that stuff I do appreciate it [TS]

00:51:26   so I was going to ask if you sort of [TS]

00:51:28   took action because sometimes i get the [TS]

00:51:30   impression that you're a little bit say [TS]

00:51:32   levator the wild west of the internet [TS]

00:51:34   and you think you know if you can't beat [TS]

00:51:36   them just let him go but you were [TS]

00:51:37   determined to try and get some of this [TS]

00:51:39   stuff removed i go in cycles with this [TS]

00:51:43   stuff sometimes it really bothers me [TS]

00:51:45   sometimes I feel like you're trying to [TS]

00:51:48   hold the tide back is spending an [TS]

00:51:50   afternoon going down and chasing down [TS]

00:51:53   all of the freebooters and actually roi [TS]

00:51:56   positive use of my time like probably [TS]

00:51:59   not because they've already made the [TS]

00:52:01   money that they're going to make i'm not [TS]

00:52:02   going to get anything back from this [TS]

00:52:04   it's like it's already lost [TS]

00:52:06   why do other people get to be like [TS]

00:52:08   parasites off of the work that I do and [TS]

00:52:11   then i get riled up and do go around and [TS]

00:52:13   try to handle this stuff but so this [TS]

00:52:15   time when I was in a wild mood i was [TS]

00:52:17   pleasantly surprised to see that [TS]

00:52:19   essentially my audience had taken care [TS]

00:52:20   of it so I was that was happy about that [TS]

00:52:22   thank you everybody this episode is [TS]

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00:53:06   trying to get there aren't a thousand [TS]

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00:53:11   into spending more money than you need [TS]

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00:53:18   people don't realize that when you buy a [TS]

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00:53:22   your contact information your address [TS]

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00:53:30   places where marketers and spammers can [TS]

00:53:33   find it and abuse it [TS]

00:53:35   of course other registers will tell you [TS]

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00:54:13   the show you know how when you look at a [TS]

00:54:16   word for too long luck sometimes stops [TS]

00:54:19   looking like a word I've been looking at [TS]

00:54:22   the word freebooting in the show notes [TS]

00:54:23   for the last five or six minutes and it [TS]

00:54:25   no longer seems like a real [TS]

00:54:26   word to me it's not a real word breeding [TS]

00:54:29   I know what I wouldn't be tragic if the [TS]

00:54:32   word freebooting stopped existing don't [TS]

00:54:34   look at it too long a billion neurons [TS]

00:54:36   are just getting tired you can't [TS]

00:54:37   recognize the pattern anymore that's [TS]

00:54:39   happening i have had an insanely crazy [TS]

00:54:41   day I don't think I've worked as hard as [TS]

00:54:44   I had it today for a long time [TS]

00:54:46   oh yeah yeah so if i do start going a [TS]

00:54:48   bit delirious [TS]

00:54:50   that's what's happening what time did [TS]

00:54:52   you get up 9am early Brady timeout know [TS]

00:54:55   about eight-thirty oh wow [TS]

00:54:58   no wow that is very early for you yeah [TS]

00:55:01   but i didn't have that period in the [TS]

00:55:03   middle of the day where I just sort of [TS]

00:55:04   go a bit fellow and do nothing and just [TS]

00:55:06   surf the internet for an hour but i [TS]

00:55:08   couldn't i don't have time for that [TS]

00:55:09   oh my that matter I had to work through [TS]

00:55:12   that look like you're in a coal mine [TS]

00:55:16   Brady what was going on and I and in [TS]

00:55:18   between and whenever I did have five or [TS]

00:55:20   ten minutes break i had to do my [TS]

00:55:21   homework for the part of the show that's [TS]

00:55:22   coming up in a minute [TS]

00:55:23   mhm I'm glad you did your homework i'm [TS]

00:55:26   sure the listeners will appreciate it so [TS]

00:55:28   quick update on projekt revolution [TS]

00:55:30   what's going on with projekt revolution [TS]

00:55:32   this is the vinyl episode of Hello [TS]

00:55:34   internet of course everybody's going to [TS]

00:55:36   know it by its project name who wouldn't [TS]

00:55:38   know about that [TS]

00:55:41   yeah well you didn't use the project [TS]

00:55:42   name in the show notes would secretly [TS]

00:55:44   disappoints me you just put record [TS]

00:55:45   follow-up I'm sorry [TS]

00:55:47   yeah so the initial pressing that first [TS]

00:55:52   then depressing we did I think it would [TS]

00:55:54   be fair to say sold out a little bit [TS]

00:55:57   more quickly then was anticipated [TS]

00:56:00   yeah it seemed like we dramatically [TS]

00:56:04   underestimated the enthusiasm for the [TS]

00:56:09   final episode of the podcast i think [TS]

00:56:11   that would be like a funny little quirky [TS]

00:56:13   one off that some people might really [TS]

00:56:15   treasure it is like how many people can [TS]

00:56:17   possibly be [TS]

00:56:18   we worried that 250 was like oh we might [TS]

00:56:21   have printed 10 times more than we need [TS]

00:56:24   but our estimates were very off very off [TS]

00:56:27   we got that wrong [TS]

00:56:28   we got that wrong and lots of ways yes [TS]

00:56:30   so I have arranged a second pressing [TS]

00:56:33   that also sold out very quickly [TS]

00:56:36   so I'm going to arrange sort of another [TS]

00:56:39   batch to be released [TS]

00:56:40   I'm learning a lot about business and no [TS]

00:56:42   real any production and fulfillment and [TS]

00:56:46   all sorts of things I've bitten off more [TS]

00:56:48   than i intended to choose but i'm still [TS]

00:56:50   excited because i don't know if it came [TS]

00:56:52   across last time but releasing a record [TS]

00:56:55   is something that like as a kid that [TS]

00:56:56   would seem that you would never do so [TS]

00:56:58   doing it is like feeling a little like [TS]

00:57:00   you know of any dream isn't it like a [TS]

00:57:01   little thing but I didn't realize all [TS]

00:57:04   the hassle that would come with it so [TS]

00:57:05   I'm working through it i'm still super [TS]

00:57:07   excited about and I also very excited to [TS]

00:57:10   say that yesterday I took delivery of [TS]

00:57:13   the five test pressings know this is [TS]

00:57:17   without all the slaves and the artwork [TS]

00:57:20   and the labels it's just pure vinyl just [TS]

00:57:21   to test that the mold or depressing [TS]

00:57:23   thing that made works so i have got five [TS]

00:57:26   copies and i have listened to it on a [TS]

00:57:29   record player and i'm happy to report it [TS]

00:57:32   was successful [TS]

00:57:34   fantastic so it looks like we're going [TS]

00:57:36   to be pressing the big green light on [TS]

00:57:38   the more elaborate runs and the our work [TS]

00:57:40   is going to be printed up so it's all go [TS]

00:57:43   and i will try to keep people informed [TS]

00:57:46   by things like my artists and Twitter [TS]

00:57:49   and patreon about any news about how [TS]

00:57:52   it's going and also availability of more [TS]

00:57:54   units have been when they become [TS]

00:57:56   available [TS]

00:57:57   apologies to people who have missed our [TS]

00:58:00   apologies to people who think the whole [TS]

00:58:01   idea is ludicrous and a massive thank [TS]

00:58:04   you to people who think it's really cool [TS]

00:58:05   and I'm even more massive thank you to [TS]

00:58:07   people who think it's so cool that [TS]

00:58:08   they've bought one [TS]

00:58:10   it's amazing yeah it's absolutely [TS]

00:58:12   amazing and the thing that I have [TS]

00:58:14   enjoyed seeing as well and especially in [TS]

00:58:16   the beginning since it seemed like we [TS]

00:58:18   were quite supply constrained was I did [TS]

00:58:21   see a bunch of people at through various [TS]

00:58:23   means trying to arrange hello Internet [TS]

00:58:26   listening parties like we sort of threw [TS]

00:58:28   out the idea of like oh maybe people [TS]

00:58:30   will do this is a thing [TS]

00:58:32   it warmed my heart to see people trying [TS]

00:58:35   to arrange actual hello Internet [TS]

00:58:38   listening parties and it's like the [TS]

00:58:40   whole project seems like ridiculous and [TS]

00:58:42   fun but I have to say I really like the [TS]

00:58:44   idea [TS]

00:58:45   of the people who were able to get one [TS]

00:58:49   of the early releases of of the record [TS]

00:58:52   like opening up their homes had to a [TS]

00:58:54   bunch of random other listeners and just [TS]

00:58:57   like having a listening party for the [TS]

00:58:59   show I think that's absolutely fantastic [TS]

00:59:02   that it's actually going to be happening [TS]

00:59:03   in the least a few places so that's just [TS]

00:59:06   great makes me smile to think about that [TS]

00:59:07   you're gonna go to one if you get an [TS]

00:59:09   invite and now i figger show i was there [TS]

00:59:12   i was that listening party 0 creation [TS]

00:59:17   yeah now just one little secret wink if [TS]

00:59:22   you did get one of the very very first [TS]

00:59:24   batch your copy will be very very subtly [TS]

00:59:31   different to the subsequent releases [TS]

00:59:34   only the trained eye will know how [TS]

00:59:36   nothing about the actual sound of the [TS]

00:59:38   episode is different just a very very [TS]

00:59:40   small small subtle thing to do with the [TS]

00:59:43   artwork will be different so if you've [TS]

00:59:45   got one of those first 250 uber limited [TS]

00:59:48   editions who you can still feel good [TS]

00:59:51   about yourself still feel like your [TS]

00:59:53   enthusiasm has been rewarded in the [TS]

00:59:55   smallest smallest way because i know [TS]

00:59:57   people will appreciate that [TS]

00:59:59   yeah and you have to [TS]

00:59:59   yeah and you have to [TS]

01:00:00   do you have to visually markup the [TS]

01:00:02   differences between the printings now [TS]

01:00:04   you have to have some things that the [TS]

01:00:06   the train collectors can recognize which [TS]

01:00:09   one of those records is the original 250 [TS]

01:00:12   and which one is just a later printing [TS]

01:00:15   just a leader just like different later [TS]

01:00:20   friends because of our massive air her [TS]

01:00:22   that's the baby what people want its i [TS]

01:00:25   will be very curious to see if anybody [TS]

01:00:27   spots or notices the little easter egg [TS]

01:00:30   there for those first 250 but please [TS]

01:00:33   please if you are like some you know [TS]

01:00:36   compulsive collector who can't help [TS]

01:00:39   yourself please don't buy one of H [TS]

01:00:41   because you have to have both I promise [TS]

01:00:44   you the difference is so small that it [TS]

01:00:46   is not worth having both don't be like [TS]

01:00:48   me you probably would do that don't do [TS]

01:00:50   it this sounds like the worst reverse [TS]

01:00:52   psychology ever i hope i don't buy both [TS]

01:00:55   copies of ours sold out record on the [TS]

01:00:58   black market right don't do that at all [TS]

01:01:00   it i know that you genuinely don't want [TS]

01:01:04   people to do it but you're doing this in [TS]

01:01:06   the most unconvincing possible that [TS]

01:01:08   makes it sound like an exciting thing to [TS]

01:01:10   do [TS]

01:01:10   that was great that was absolutely [TS]

01:01:12   terrible era do it that do it don't do [TS]

01:01:17   it don't do it is really know where that [TS]

01:01:19   people don't do it one is more than [TS]

01:01:23   enough gray a lot of people have asked [TS]

01:01:26   so we should just quickly touch on had [TS]

01:01:28   enough either of us have anything to say [TS]

01:01:29   about it [TS]

01:01:30   this is the YouTube scandal that has [TS]

01:01:34   been running over the last few days that [TS]

01:01:37   i'm sure by the time this comes out [TS]

01:01:38   we'll have disappeared like all news [TS]

01:01:40   stories [TS]

01:01:41   this is the demagnetization of youtube [TS]

01:01:45   videos [TS]

01:01:46   how would you explain the story to [TS]

01:01:48   people who have not had their twitter [TS]

01:01:51   feed filled with it [TS]

01:01:52   I'm the worst person in the world to try [TS]

01:01:54   to summarize this because i haven't been [TS]

01:01:56   following it too closely but it's a [TS]

01:01:59   thing that came to my attention because [TS]

01:02:01   the thing that struck some of my friends [TS]

01:02:03   basically what happened was about a week [TS]

01:02:07   ago it and we're recording this [TS]

01:02:10   a bunch of people woke up to discover [TS]

01:02:13   that YouTube had d monetized a bunch of [TS]

01:02:18   their videos so what that means is that [TS]

01:02:20   YouTube was no longer running any ads on [TS]

01:02:25   their videos and this whole thing kind [TS]

01:02:28   of started with a video by philip [TS]

01:02:31   defranco who was the first major person [TS]

01:02:33   I think who talked about it and then has [TS]

01:02:35   these things like oh here we go youtube [TS]

01:02:37   drama right like everybody wants to [TS]

01:02:39   quickly get in on the act and kind of [TS]

01:02:41   talk about it and get riled up about [TS]

01:02:43   this issue but the briefness way to [TS]

01:02:46   explain what it is is that YouTube has a [TS]

01:02:49   set of content guidelines for things [TS]

01:02:53   that they don't think our advertiser [TS]

01:02:57   friendly and so that they were d [TS]

01:02:59   monetizing videos that had this kind of [TS]

01:03:02   content now the thing that pisses story [TS]

01:03:06   a little bit worse is it was this big [TS]

01:03:09   grumble grumble grumble YouTube isn't [TS]

01:03:11   implemented this policy like isn't this [TS]

01:03:13   terrible everybody's absolutely furious [TS]

01:03:14   about it and then in a twist which I [TS]

01:03:17   feel like I don't know if this is better [TS]

01:03:19   or if this is worse it has since turned [TS]

01:03:22   out that this is the thing that YouTube [TS]

01:03:24   has actually done since 2012 or so [TS]

01:03:27   yeah and it was only that they sent out [TS]

01:03:30   all of the notifications about the d [TS]

01:03:32   monetized videos like a week ago right [TS]

01:03:36   so some people just woke up to like hey [TS]

01:03:39   a hundred of your videos rd monetized [TS]

01:03:41   and turns out they've been d monetized [TS]

01:03:45   for years but can we just never told you [TS]

01:03:48   it's like YouTube as always a plus [TS]

01:03:54   communication skills with your creators [TS]

01:03:57   just like have a gold star [TS]

01:03:59   this is amazing if you have some kind of [TS]

01:04:02   policy make sure to keep it secret for [TS]

01:04:06   years and then suddenly tell everybody [TS]

01:04:08   all at once with notifications about how [TS]

01:04:10   they're not getting money that is by far [TS]

01:04:13   and away the best way to keep the [TS]

01:04:15   situation calm and to keep a situation [TS]

01:04:18   reasonable before we come onto the issue [TS]

01:04:21   itself the thing about people not [TS]

01:04:23   realize [TS]

01:04:23   that was already going on I don't know [TS]

01:04:26   what to take from that I don't know [TS]

01:04:27   whether I should take from that some of [TS]

01:04:29   these people are running so much money [TS]

01:04:31   from so many videos that they could that [TS]

01:04:34   some of the taps could be turned off and [TS]

01:04:36   they don't know it didn't notice a poor [TS]

01:04:39   up do we earn such paltry sums from [TS]

01:04:42   everybody owes that one of them could be [TS]

01:04:44   turned off and we don't realize the tab [TS]

01:04:45   has been turned off [TS]

01:04:46   I don't know what that says honestly I [TS]

01:04:48   mean I feel like YouTube monetization is [TS]

01:04:50   not particularly generous and if a bunch [TS]

01:04:54   of mine were turned off i don't think i [TS]

01:04:56   would realize i had a quick scan today I [TS]

01:04:59   haven't gone through and had a look but [TS]

01:05:00   apparently it's easier to find out if [TS]

01:05:02   it's happened on our and as far as i can [TS]

01:05:04   tell i haven't found any of mine yet [TS]

01:05:06   that have been demagnetized I thought it [TS]

01:05:09   might be possible because I've got a [TS]

01:05:10   bunch of chemistry videos that deal with [TS]

01:05:12   things like bombs and various chemicals [TS]

01:05:15   and desire and gas and things like that [TS]

01:05:17   because this demagnetization which will [TS]

01:05:19   come to in a minute has been done [TS]

01:05:20   algorithmically so I look I wonder if a [TS]

01:05:23   whole bunch of my chemistry videos about [TS]

01:05:25   uranium and atom bombs and you know [TS]

01:05:29   terrorist attacks have they all been [TS]

01:05:30   demagnetized I wouldn't be surprised if [TS]

01:05:32   they had and I don't even know where my [TS]

01:05:35   notification emails going so I don't [TS]

01:05:37   know if it's happened to me or not how [TS]

01:05:38   to happen to any of your videos i'm [TS]

01:05:40   imagining you would notice because [TS]

01:05:41   you're just better i mean the the thing [TS]

01:05:43   is going along with what you're saying [TS]

01:05:45   before like I would notice and it has [TS]

01:05:48   happened to me if a video is not [TS]

01:05:50   monetized on the day it goes up [TS]

01:05:53   yes of course like right that's the [TS]

01:05:55   thing because i have rare videos and [TS]

01:05:58   because the the spikes contribute much [TS]

01:06:00   more to like what is the annual take i [TS]

01:06:02   would definitely notice and on the [TS]

01:06:04   occasions where for unexplained reasons [TS]

01:06:07   which I now wonder if in retrospect this [TS]

01:06:10   was part of the dragnet these videos [TS]

01:06:12   were caught up in but I have on occasion [TS]

01:06:14   had videos just refuse to be monetized [TS]

01:06:18   on youtube which is just like a bizarre [TS]

01:06:20   thing like they go up everything is fine [TS]

01:06:21   and then like no monetization for you [TS]

01:06:24   for many hours and then it comes back up [TS]

01:06:26   for some reason like who knows i don't [TS]

01:06:28   know if that was the case but yes the [TS]

01:06:30   YouTube ad rates are not great and it is [TS]

01:06:32   definitely the case that even though i [TS]

01:06:35   have a [TS]

01:06:36   a ton of spreadsheets the track all of [TS]

01:06:38   like my statistics on youtube I think [TS]

01:06:40   it'd be very easy if a video from a [TS]

01:06:43   couple years ago got to monetize that I [TS]

01:06:45   would just never notice [TS]

01:06:46   yeah because it's just like how much [TS]

01:06:48   does it turn in a particular day like [TS]

01:06:50   not very much at all it'd be so easy to [TS]

01:06:52   never know so it is kind of funny when [TS]

01:06:54   some channels didn't notice that they [TS]

01:06:57   had hundreds of videos d monetized here [TS]

01:06:59   you can understand how that would happen [TS]

01:07:02   yeah if they got to monetize two days [TS]

01:07:05   after they went live and yeah to [TS]

01:07:06   monetize the media yeah yeah so the [TS]

01:07:09   facts done algorithmically has been [TS]

01:07:11   causing this problem and now people if [TS]

01:07:13   it happened to them compress some appeal [TS]

01:07:14   but apparently a human will look at and [TS]

01:07:16   reem analyzer I don't have quickly that [TS]

01:07:19   happens it probably depends how [TS]

01:07:20   important you are and how noisy you are [TS]

01:07:21   as far as i can tell it depends probably [TS]

01:07:23   directly on have you uploaded a video [TS]

01:07:26   complaining about YouTube on youtube [TS]

01:07:29   that's probably how they prioritize that [TS]

01:07:31   right and you have a big loud screaming [TS]

01:07:33   video right now about your problem front [TS]

01:07:35   of the queue think that's probably how [TS]

01:07:37   they would do maybe the thing about this [TS]

01:07:40   that is I think cause people to kind of [TS]

01:07:42   freaked out about it is not just the [TS]

01:07:45   question of the lost revenue but the the [TS]

01:07:47   way this works is YouTube deciding what [TS]

01:07:52   is and is not advertiser friendly and so [TS]

01:07:56   they have a list of things some of which [TS]

01:07:58   seem seem more or less reasonable than [TS]

01:08:01   others but like looking down the list of [TS]

01:08:02   like why would your video BD monetize [TS]

01:08:04   and the reasons are sexually suggestive [TS]

01:08:07   content violence [TS]

01:08:10   ok fine promotion of drugs and related [TS]

01:08:13   substances like okay maybe we're drug is [TS]

01:08:17   a little bit unclear and different in [TS]

01:08:19   very many places but like a sort of then [TS]

01:08:23   you get down to inappropriate language [TS]

01:08:26   including harassment it's like okay [TS]

01:08:30   the word harassment is very hard to [TS]

01:08:31   disagree with but like what precisely [TS]

01:08:33   does that mean [TS]

01:08:34   but then you get into the thing which [TS]

01:08:36   starts feels like oh did my mom write [TS]

01:08:38   this like including swearing and vulgar [TS]

01:08:41   language oh ok you don't like curse [TS]

01:08:44   words anymore youtube it's like this is [TS]

01:08:46   not ok for advertisers advertisers are [TS]

01:08:48   going to [TS]

01:08:49   need to pull over the fainting couch [TS]

01:08:51   because somebody said a bad word [TS]

01:08:53   alright and then the one on the bottom [TS]

01:08:55   which i think probably come everybody [TS]

01:08:57   really angry was controversial or [TS]

01:08:59   sensitive subjects and events including [TS]

01:09:02   subjects related to war political [TS]

01:09:04   conflicts natural disasters and [TS]

01:09:07   tragedies even if graphic imagery is not [TS]

01:09:10   shown these are the like the list of [TS]

01:09:12   things that could get your video d [TS]

01:09:16   monetized if you have them in your video [TS]

01:09:20   hmm what do you think about that pretty [TS]

01:09:22   well the first thing that surprised me [TS]

01:09:25   about this i'm surprised this is not [TS]

01:09:27   happening but maybe it is happening i'm [TS]

01:09:29   surprised the right gradations of this [TS]

01:09:32   i'm surprised youtube hasn't got like [TS]

01:09:34   super lily white stuff that people can [TS]

01:09:37   advertise on if they want to sell [TS]

01:09:39   children's toys [TS]

01:09:40   mhm and then if you're a brand that [TS]

01:09:42   wants to advertise on something a bit [TS]

01:09:43   edgy with a bit of swearing and stuff [TS]

01:09:45   and a bit of politics then you can go [TS]

01:09:47   into that category [TS]

01:09:48   I'm surprised so black-and-white that [TS]

01:09:50   this can be advertised on and this can't [TS]

01:09:53   be [TS]

01:09:53   I would have thought it would be a [TS]

01:09:54   little bit more cherry picked and I [TS]

01:09:56   wouldn't be surprised if we were being [TS]

01:09:58   silent off you know if you want to [TS]

01:10:00   advertise on something smart nerdy here [TS]

01:10:02   all the education channels and if you [TS]

01:10:04   want to advertise on something at the [TS]

01:10:06   edgy and cool cuz you try to sell [TS]

01:10:07   coca-cola or something that you can [TS]

01:10:09   advertise on that and if you want to [TS]

01:10:10   advertise on something that's really [TS]

01:10:12   safe and but now then he is this [TS]

01:10:15   category but it seems that YouTube have [TS]

01:10:16   just said there's a yes and a no and [TS]

01:10:19   that must make life really difficult for [TS]

01:10:22   them i would imagine this to me is the [TS]

01:10:24   most bizarre aspect of the whole thing [TS]

01:10:26   like when i first came across this ad [TS]

01:10:29   the height when everybody was absolutely [TS]

01:10:31   furious about it [TS]

01:10:32   my main thought was like okay I'm not [TS]

01:10:35   one for censorship and conspiracy theory [TS]

01:10:39   things but the way this is rolled out it [TS]

01:10:41   as you said is like a black-and-white in [TS]

01:10:44   or out like things can be advertised [TS]

01:10:47   against or things cannot be advertised [TS]

01:10:49   against [TS]

01:10:50   it does kind of strike me as a tool to [TS]

01:10:54   just punish people youtube doesn't like [TS]

01:10:57   I mean these categories are pretty broad [TS]

01:11:01   for a lot of channels like especially [TS]

01:11:04   given like how plastic some of these [TS]

01:11:06   words are and i agree on the fact that [TS]

01:11:08   it's set up like that it makes me kind [TS]

01:11:10   of suspicious because I would feel like [TS]

01:11:13   a YouTube obviously you would want to [TS]

01:11:15   maximize revenue from your ads why [TS]

01:11:18   wouldn't you let advertisers choose what [TS]

01:11:21   they want to advertise against and the [TS]

01:11:24   first thing that popped into my mind is [TS]

01:11:26   I don't know if it's still the case or [TS]

01:11:28   if this is gone but youtube I know at [TS]

01:11:31   least at one point had a special edition [TS]

01:11:33   of YouTube which was just for schools so [TS]

01:11:36   if you were a primary school and you [TS]

01:11:38   wanted to your students to be able to [TS]

01:11:40   have access to youtube but you didn't [TS]

01:11:41   want them to be able to have access to [TS]

01:11:43   all of YouTube YouTube had created a [TS]

01:11:46   bunch of channels [TS]

01:11:47   yeah that were approved for like primary [TS]

01:11:51   school level and above and i know i was [TS]

01:11:54   on this list because someone at YouTube [TS]

01:11:55   at one point told me like I'm one of [TS]

01:11:57   these channels that's unlike this school [TS]

01:11:59   safe version of YouTube and they made [TS]

01:12:01   some vague remarks like you know so [TS]

01:12:03   don't do anything like really terrible [TS]

01:12:05   some guy at YouTube tells me I'm on a [TS]

01:12:07   list and to not do things that are [TS]

01:12:09   really terrible i could get an official [TS]

01:12:10   notification about this could i get some [TS]

01:12:12   guidelines about what I should or should [TS]

01:12:14   not do like now okay a guy like whispers [TS]

01:12:16   to be on a street that there's a thing [TS]

01:12:17   like okay whatever it's called [TS]

01:12:18   whitelisting wasn't yeah it was like a [TS]

01:12:20   white listing for schools [TS]

01:12:21   yeah and that to me seems like if you [TS]

01:12:23   want to have stuff for advertisers you [TS]

01:12:25   already have some kind of base to start [TS]

01:12:27   with presumably the same things that [TS]

01:12:29   would be whitelisted for schools would [TS]

01:12:32   be the safest of the safest things in [TS]

01:12:34   the world to advertise against yeah and [TS]

01:12:37   then have some gradations of of what it [TS]

01:12:41   is but it feels to me almost like [TS]

01:12:42   YouTube is begging for competitors to [TS]

01:12:45   exist [TS]

01:12:45   this feels like you're cutting off [TS]

01:12:48   monetization from advertisers who might [TS]

01:12:52   want to advertise against sexually [TS]

01:12:55   suggestive content writer who might want [TS]

01:12:57   to advertise against political conflicts [TS]

01:13:00   like that surely there are companies out [TS]

01:13:02   there that would want to give you money [TS]

01:13:04   too [TS]

01:13:04   advertise against those things let a [TS]

01:13:07   little auction which is the part of your [TS]

01:13:09   business like let a little auction sort [TS]

01:13:12   that out and have one of the auction [TS]

01:13:14   categories be like your channels that [TS]

01:13:16   are whitelisted here's a bunch of [TS]

01:13:18   channels that we haven't made any [TS]

01:13:20   comments about like whatever and then [TS]

01:13:22   here are comments that we have labeled [TS]

01:13:25   as failing our standards of like [TS]

01:13:27   language right but you can choose to [TS]

01:13:31   advertise against ya channels where [TS]

01:13:33   people curse if you want to i just i [TS]

01:13:35   don't get it i don't get it i mean in [TS]

01:13:37   some sympathy to you to show how their [TS]

01:13:39   between a rock and a hard place you know [TS]

01:13:41   what would happen they would start [TS]

01:13:42   setting up all these quotations and then [TS]

01:13:45   someone like philip defranco find out [TS]

01:13:46   that he's in a category he doesn't want [TS]

01:13:48   to be in and cocoa look at advertising [TS]

01:13:50   against his videos and he'll upload a [TS]

01:13:52   video again saying you know hashtag [TS]

01:13:54   youtube sucks [TS]

01:13:55   look what they've done that [TS]

01:13:57   miscategorized me so people are still [TS]

01:13:59   gonna winch people are still gonna win [TS]

01:14:01   but I think like you don't have a right [TS]

01:14:03   to have coca-cola advertise on your [TS]

01:14:05   channel like coca-cola gets to make that [TS]

01:14:07   decision about who they want to [TS]

01:14:08   advertise again [TS]

01:14:10   yeah but coca-cola might not be making a [TS]

01:14:11   decision quite that fine-grained they're [TS]

01:14:13   not going to be saying i want to [TS]

01:14:15   advertise on cgpgrey but I don't want to [TS]

01:14:17   advertise on numberphile they're just [TS]

01:14:19   going to be saying i want to advertise [TS]

01:14:20   in the category edgy or I want to [TS]

01:14:24   advertise in the category child friendly [TS]

01:14:27   or the end so it won't come down to them [TS]

01:14:29   saying what channel they want it will [TS]

01:14:31   come down to them saying what batch of [TS]

01:14:32   channels they want and then people start [TS]

01:14:34   complaining they're in the wrong batch [TS]

01:14:35   and therefore not making enough money [TS]

01:14:37   and whinging i agree with that people [TS]

01:14:40   will always complain that they're not in [TS]

01:14:41   the appropriate place someone will [TS]

01:14:44   always complained that their channel is [TS]

01:14:46   miscategorized but i still think that [TS]

01:14:47   makes it a much better problem then the [TS]

01:14:51   problem of like you can have [TS]

01:14:53   advertisements against your videos you [TS]

01:14:55   can't have advertisements against your [TS]

01:14:57   video again for a company is as big and [TS]

01:14:59   as complicated as YouTube it's like it's [TS]

01:15:01   such a binary thing like you can't have [TS]

01:15:04   more gradations of this and then as you [TS]

01:15:07   mentioned before the thing that really [TS]

01:15:09   doesn't help is it seems like it was [TS]

01:15:10   just done entirely algorithmically and [TS]

01:15:15   as best I can tell from talking to [TS]

01:15:16   people this [TS]

01:15:17   actually based on tags so I knew people [TS]

01:15:20   who had pretty innocuous videos that [TS]

01:15:24   ended up getting d monetized because [TS]

01:15:26   their tags seems like things that would [TS]

01:15:29   be related to like violence or [TS]

01:15:32   controversy but the actual video itself [TS]

01:15:35   is like man if this isn't okay then like [TS]

01:15:37   nothing is okay what's like an example [TS]

01:15:39   of that even like a hypothetical example [TS]

01:15:41   you mean someone who maybe did something [TS]

01:15:43   about the history of gun manufacturing [TS]

01:15:46   or something and they had guns in their [TS]

01:15:47   tag and therefore people thought it was [TS]

01:15:48   a file this video that's exactly the [TS]

01:15:51   kind of thing that can write like a you [TS]

01:15:53   have a word related to it like gun and [TS]

01:15:56   then I'd like this video is to monetize [TS]

01:15:57   because obviously guns are related to [TS]

01:16:00   violence like there's no other reason [TS]

01:16:01   why you would tag a video with guns [TS]

01:16:03   I can't believe it says courses that the [TS]

01:16:05   algorithm because I've got videos that [TS]

01:16:07   I've got things like guns in them and [TS]

01:16:08   like I said all these chemistry videos [TS]

01:16:10   involving all these words maybe I had [TS]

01:16:13   been demagnetized haven't realized it [TS]

01:16:15   yet but I just seems like i think there [TS]

01:16:17   must be more to the algorithm that [TS]

01:16:18   surely here's the thing [TS]

01:16:20   probably but this is again with YouTube [TS]

01:16:24   and their continued lack of [TS]

01:16:25   communication [TS]

01:16:26   who knows so while I was traveling [TS]

01:16:29   recently I somehow ended up with my wife [TS]

01:16:33   in a photo gallery and so in the course [TS]

01:16:36   of the salesman talking to us he's [TS]

01:16:38   pointing out there glass frames look at [TS]

01:16:42   these glass frames he says they go [TS]

01:16:43   edge-to-edge wouldn't you love to have a [TS]

01:16:46   photograph behind this sheet of glass [TS]

01:16:48   wouldn't you just love to have that in [TS]

01:16:50   your house at the cost of mere thousands [TS]

01:16:53   of dollars and in my head [TS]

01:16:56   the only thing I could think of the [TS]

01:16:57   whole time was dude there is no way [TS]

01:17:00   you're selling me this ridiculously [TS]

01:17:03   expensive shockingly heavy photograph [TS]

01:17:06   when a company like fracture exists [TS]

01:17:10   fracture me.com is the place that you [TS]

01:17:12   should go to get your photos printed [TS]

01:17:14   directly on to glass if you go on [TS]

01:17:18   vacation if you take some beautiful [TS]

01:17:20   vacation shots and you want them up in [TS]

01:17:22   your house fractures the place to go [TS]

01:17:24   it'll be printed on this edge to edge [TS]

01:17:27   sheet of glass that arrives at your [TS]

01:17:29   house [TS]

01:17:30   laser-cut with a rigid backing so it's [TS]

01:17:33   ready to display right out-of-the-box [TS]

01:17:34   and as I discovered when I order [TS]

01:17:36   fracture [TS]

01:17:37   I'm thinking oh it's made of glass like [TS]

01:17:40   this ridiculous thing in this artsy [TS]

01:17:41   photo gallery it must weigh a ton [TS]

01:17:44   now there's shockingly like they're [TS]

01:17:46   really really shockingly light right in [TS]

01:17:49   the box they include the wall anchor so [TS]

01:17:51   you can just set that up [TS]

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01:17:56   appreciated so if you want to bring a [TS]

01:17:58   special memory to life give a unique [TS]

01:18:00   gift or decorate your home with the [TS]

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01:18:31   so start plotting now your best [TS]

01:18:33   halloween costumes and show them to [TS]

01:18:36   fracture now when you go to order your [TS]

01:18:38   fracture you're going to go to fracture [TS]

01:18:41   me.com / podcast and select hello [TS]

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01:18:47   about them so that fracture knows where [TS]

01:18:50   you've come from and it will also give [TS]

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01:18:55   thanks to fracture for supporting the [TS]

01:18:57   show and for decorating the walls of the [TS]

01:19:00   world you know what I hate homework [TS]

01:19:05   oh yeah and when I look back up my [TS]

01:19:07   sleeves go blue [TS]

01:19:09   I think it is absolutely remarkable that [TS]

01:19:12   I managed to get through school and [TS]

01:19:15   graduate from high school doing a little [TS]

01:19:17   homework as i did I padley ever remember [TS]

01:19:20   doing homework I was the master of not [TS]

01:19:23   doing homework and I don't know how i [TS]

01:19:25   did it i obviously just figured out what [TS]

01:19:27   was going to get checked and what was [TS]

01:19:28   not an or the bare minimum was and I [TS]

01:19:30   remember spending many a lunch break or [TS]

01:19:32   recessed I'm hardly scribbling out some [TS]

01:19:35   answers to math questions so that i [TS]

01:19:36   wouldn't get in trouble [TS]

01:19:37   I hate homework that's the way to go [TS]

01:19:41   ready to lay a if you're a student and [TS]

01:19:43   you do [TS]

01:19:43   doing homework at home you're a sucker [TS]

01:19:45   haven't figured out the system homework [TS]

01:19:49   at home now homework is for the moment [TS]

01:19:51   you can find in the school day I still [TS]

01:19:53   today I know you don't like me talking [TS]

01:19:54   about dreams but I still today have [TS]

01:19:57   anxiety dreams where i'm walking into [TS]

01:19:59   like a math classroom having not done [TS]

01:20:01   homework but i have to have done and i [TS]

01:20:02   know i'm about to get the pain but then [TS]

01:20:05   a deep car comes over me because I [TS]

01:20:07   realize I'm not at school anymore and [TS]

01:20:10   like I have a job and I don't have to do [TS]

01:20:11   homework and I walk into the classroom [TS]

01:20:13   feeling almost invincible now knowing [TS]

01:20:15   that if I get told off i'm just going to [TS]

01:20:16   say well who cares [TS]

01:20:18   I'm going back to my job is this all in [TS]

01:20:19   the dream you time the teacher in the [TS]

01:20:21   dream that you're actually a grown-up [TS]

01:20:22   dreaming and you have a job is this is [TS]

01:20:24   what your dreams yeah [TS]

01:20:25   in the dream I've gone back to school [TS]

01:20:26   but then have the car realization that [TS]

01:20:29   it doesn't matter if I am unsuccessful [TS]

01:20:31   get in trouble because i have this [TS]

01:20:33   ultimate fallback of a career that i [TS]

01:20:35   already have right because of the dream [TS]

01:20:38   because it doesn't matter what's [TS]

01:20:39   happening there [TS]

01:20:40   I'm just saying that homework is like [TS]

01:20:41   something i have such a dislike of the [TS]

01:20:45   even now I still dream about it i'm [TS]

01:20:47   sorry to hear that pretty but many [TS]

01:20:49   people do because it's traumatic life [TS]

01:20:51   sucking pointless exercise that said it [TS]

01:20:54   brings us do today we had homework [TS]

01:20:56   the crazy thing is this movie we had to [TS]

01:20:58   watch for homework i had already watched [TS]

01:21:00   but I felt like I needed to watch it [TS]

01:21:02   again so it was fresh in my mind but I [TS]

01:21:04   didn't have time to watch it so I was [TS]

01:21:06   snatching 10 minutes here in 10 minutes [TS]

01:21:07   they're doing my day watching out while [TS]

01:21:10   things were rendering or uploading or I [TS]

01:21:12   was feeding the dogs or quicker watch [TS]

01:21:13   another 10 minutes and i managed to [TS]

01:21:15   watch the whole thing off today but you [TS]

01:21:17   know what i like you just did homework [TS]

01:21:19   the way you used to do homework it's [TS]

01:21:22   very minutes during the day who I've got [TS]

01:21:23   seven minutes between social studies and [TS]

01:21:25   math quick I've gotta watch the movie [TS]

01:21:27   film history class [TS]

01:21:30   nothing is James ready nothing is james [TS]

01:21:33   how true that is [TS]

01:21:35   did you do your homework I did my [TS]

01:21:37   homework I had a slight nervous reaction [TS]

01:21:40   like oh god I might be late with my [TS]

01:21:42   homework and this time it'll actually [TS]

01:21:44   matter because we're recording a podcast [TS]

01:21:45   is not like in school where it doesn't [TS]

01:21:47   matter because I foolishly didn't think [TS]

01:21:51   about trying to buy and download it [TS]

01:21:54   ahead of time and have it already so i [TS]

01:21:56   did have [TS]

01:21:57   very many panic moments trying to find a [TS]

01:21:59   place to stream it over my internet [TS]

01:22:01   connections that I could watch it [TS]

01:22:02   because Apple was like hey wouldn't you [TS]

01:22:04   like to download a 4 gigabyte version of [TS]

01:22:07   this movie is like no apple i would not [TS]

01:22:08   i just want to stream and I just want to [TS]

01:22:10   watch it now i have exactly two hours to [TS]

01:22:13   watch this hour and a half long movie [TS]

01:22:14   before I need to be somewhere so luckily [TS]

01:22:17   I got it done but I was also cutting my [TS]

01:22:19   homework very very close as you say that [TS]

01:22:23   before was this your first time I had [TS]

01:22:25   watched it's just over a year ago this [TS]

01:22:29   was a movie that i do have to say again [TS]

01:22:32   to the audience much appreciated [TS]

01:22:33   many many people recommended that i [TS]

01:22:35   watch this movie and if you want to [TS]

01:22:38   dramatically increase the chance that [TS]

01:22:41   i'm actually going to watch a movie that [TS]

01:22:43   you recommend the way to do it which [TS]

01:22:45   everybody did for this one is just [TS]

01:22:46   simply say you should really watch movie [TS]

01:22:51   title that's all you need to say don't [TS]

01:22:53   say anything else [TS]

01:22:55   don't say even what it's about and in [TS]

01:22:58   the aggregate I kind of pay attention to [TS]

01:23:01   what are a lot of people saying what are [TS]

01:23:03   a lot of people recommending and if it [TS]

01:23:05   reaches a kind of threshold I will watch [TS]

01:23:07   it and so this was one of those movies [TS]

01:23:09   enough people recommended to me and I [TS]

01:23:12   went into it essentially called knowing [TS]

01:23:15   almost nothing about it [TS]

01:23:17   are we having some kind of stand up here [TS]

01:23:19   because neither of us wants to be the [TS]

01:23:20   first try and pronounce ER x mark ii now [TS]

01:23:23   I did look up like the director and [TS]

01:23:27   actor being interviewed on youtube about [TS]

01:23:28   it so I could hear how they pronounced [TS]

01:23:30   it is that correct we get it right it [TS]

01:23:33   was it was like that pretty much that's [TS]

01:23:35   close enough [TS]

01:23:36   fantastic it's not X machiner it's ex [TS]

01:23:38   machina [TS]

01:23:39   ok so it is then like Dave's X marking [TS]

01:23:41   out like we were guessing they're [TS]

01:23:42   perfect nailed it [TS]

01:23:43   that's the film we've both seen it [TS]

01:23:45   before quite a while ago we've both [TS]

01:23:47   rewatched so it's fresh in your mind [TS]

01:23:48   spoilers probably starting in the near [TS]

01:23:53   future [TS]

01:23:54   spoiler starting very soon if you [TS]

01:23:56   haven't watched it and want to listen to [TS]

01:23:59   us talk about it [TS]

01:24:00   go watch the movie right now I know some [TS]

01:24:03   of you listening to me right now won't [TS]

01:24:04   do this you're just letting that play [TS]

01:24:06   button Rulon and depriving yourself of [TS]

01:24:08   the actual experience of watching a [TS]

01:24:10   movie [TS]

01:24:10   and then hearing a discussion about it [TS]

01:24:12   so things make sense in the world i'm [TS]

01:24:14   really trying to convince you not to do [TS]

01:24:16   that but I know I know some of you will [TS]

01:24:18   anyway and I don't understand you people [TS]

01:24:19   careful great because you hurt the [TS]

01:24:21   podcast by doing this the number of [TS]

01:24:23   times i see messages from people saying [TS]

01:24:25   our I stopped listening to your podcast [TS]

01:24:27   episode 16 and I finally got around to [TS]

01:24:30   watching that film that you told me I [TS]

01:24:31   could watch so now i'm starting a [TS]

01:24:33   podcast again from there and they have [TS]

01:24:35   like that basically been on pause for 50 [TS]

01:24:37   episodes but that's not the way to do [TS]

01:24:39   that okay if you're one of those [TS]

01:24:40   listeners look at this is how you do [TS]

01:24:41   this is very simple [TS]

01:24:42   ok listen to your old buddy gray you [TS]

01:24:45   pause the podcast which has the [TS]

01:24:48   discussion of the thing that you're [TS]

01:24:49   going to watch but you can listen to the [TS]

01:24:51   next episode yeah you can keep going on [TS]

01:24:53   and you keep this one on hold [TS]

01:24:55   yeah we're not stupid we're not going to [TS]

01:24:56   spoil the film in all subsequent [TS]

01:24:58   episodes as well just started this [TS]

01:25:01   doesn't become an ongoing topic of [TS]

01:25:03   conversation although we have got form [TS]

01:25:05   in that area so i can see why people [TS]

01:25:06   would think we just wrapped on [TS]

01:25:08   yeah so just pause this one and you can [TS]

01:25:11   listen to the next one and when you [TS]

01:25:13   watch the movie you come back to this [TS]

01:25:14   one this is what I do with podcast i [TS]

01:25:16   have a bunch that are in my queue [TS]

01:25:18   waiting sometimes for very many months [TS]

01:25:21   until I eventually see the thing that [TS]

01:25:22   they're going to discuss and then I [TS]

01:25:24   listen it's very simple you don't have [TS]

01:25:26   to stop listen to the podcast but maybe [TS]

01:25:28   stop listening to this one [TS]

01:25:29   well with the film ex machina i'm going [TS]

01:25:32   to be pretty dependent on you hear great [TS]

01:25:33   because i have no notes [TS]

01:25:36   Wow and the reason is every time [TS]

01:25:38   something came up as a note or something [TS]

01:25:40   I want to talk about something else [TS]

01:25:41   would come up later on that made me [TS]

01:25:43   cross it out [TS]

01:25:43   ovm so we won't come to that later but i [TS]

01:25:47   have surprisingly little to say about [TS]

01:25:48   the film so maybe you should start [TS]

01:25:51   proceedings you know how I'm going to [TS]

01:25:53   insist you start and I know you don't [TS]

01:25:56   want to do it but you know how I always [TS]

01:25:58   want you to start when we talk about [TS]

01:25:59   movies are why it's essential gray it is [TS]

01:26:04   not essential that i lay out my opinion [TS]

01:26:06   first now now because it covers [TS]

01:26:07   everything because otherwise I feel like [TS]

01:26:09   you're trying to play tricks we need to [TS]

01:26:12   do the inverted pyramid of journalism [TS]

01:26:14   the most important thing first and then [TS]

01:26:16   everything flows from that the inverted [TS]

01:26:18   pyramid here you know the inverted [TS]

01:26:21   pyramid in journalism now I this means [TS]

01:26:23   nothing to me [TS]

01:26:23   newspaper journalism you always put the [TS]

01:26:26   most important facts at the top and the [TS]

01:26:28   importance effects descends as you go [TS]

01:26:31   down the story like an inverted pyramid [TS]

01:26:33   to the most trivial and unimportant [TS]

01:26:34   effects out the bottom and you may think [TS]

01:26:37   this is purely because out of respect [TS]

01:26:39   for the Raiders who are in a hurry and [TS]

01:26:41   they need information quickly and it is [TS]

01:26:43   partly that but the main reason is from [TS]

01:26:45   the times of old school newspapers when [TS]

01:26:48   things would just be cut to fit into [TS]

01:26:50   slots in a newspaper so you have to [TS]

01:26:52   always think if my story gets cut from [TS]

01:26:54   the bottom i have to make sure the [TS]

01:26:56   things that get cut matter the least are [TS]

01:26:59   actually quite interesting i didn't know [TS]

01:27:01   that if your story was just too long [TS]

01:27:02   like whatever we're going to take out [TS]

01:27:04   the bottom two paragraphs yeah like if [TS]

01:27:05   they're in a hurry or something another [TS]

01:27:07   story broken they need to cut yours in a [TS]

01:27:09   hurry to 72 we just cut sometimes almost [TS]

01:27:11   arbitrarily so if you were being cgpgrey [TS]

01:27:14   and trying to say if the film was good [TS]

01:27:16   and bad in your final triumph and [TS]

01:27:17   sentence that sentence could be gone [TS]

01:27:20   altogether how journalism sounds like a [TS]

01:27:22   great job this is not an Agatha Christie [TS]

01:27:25   great i don't want to find out in the [TS]

01:27:27   final twisting sentence whether or not [TS]

01:27:29   you like the film i want to know if [TS]

01:27:30   you'd like the film or not and then I [TS]

01:27:32   want to hear why and it doesn't mean you [TS]

01:27:34   can't criticize or praise after that if [TS]

01:27:36   I have no idea what you think of the [TS]

01:27:38   film [TS]

01:27:38   I can't do it right I will as usual cave [TS]

01:27:43   to your Brady demands like I always do [TS]

01:27:46   thank you ok so the reason why before [TS]

01:27:49   this episode I particularly press people [TS]

01:27:53   to watch this movie just cold like just [TS]

01:27:56   watch it without knowing anything about [TS]

01:27:58   it because I think this is really an [TS]

01:28:02   example of a movie that benefits a lot [TS]

01:28:06   from knowing very little about it [TS]

01:28:09   because in some ways this is a movie [TS]

01:28:13   we're not a whole lot happens that gets [TS]

01:28:16   an hour and a half long and the number [TS]

01:28:19   of events that actually occurs is quite [TS]

01:28:23   small [TS]

01:28:24   I feel like what this movie is doing is [TS]

01:28:26   just slowly revealing little pieces of [TS]

01:28:31   information to you in seems there's [TS]

01:28:34   almost something about it to me which [TS]

01:28:35   feels like a stew [TS]

01:28:36   ageplay was like here is a scene here is [TS]

01:28:40   another little scene like and here's the [TS]

01:28:42   information that's conveyed in this [TS]

01:28:43   moment and then we're going to go on to [TS]

01:28:44   the next one and if you know the premise [TS]

01:28:47   of the movie ahead of time is like there [TS]

01:28:49   is very little that's kind of [TS]

01:28:52   interesting here the first time you [TS]

01:28:53   watch it you feel like you're just [TS]

01:28:54   waiting for a thing to happen which [TS]

01:28:56   really only happens in the final few [TS]

01:28:58   moments of the movie so i just think [TS]

01:29:01   this is a great example of like don't [TS]

01:29:02   know about the movie just watch it and i [TS]

01:29:06   really like this movie but i think a [TS]

01:29:10   huge portion of that is having watched [TS]

01:29:13   it for the first time without knowing [TS]

01:29:16   about it i think if i had really known [TS]

01:29:19   even two or three facts about the movie [TS]

01:29:22   i think it was just totally have changed [TS]

01:29:24   the first experience of watching it and [TS]

01:29:26   made it like almost boring because of [TS]

01:29:28   the lack of things that are occurring [TS]

01:29:29   you know what it's really funny that you [TS]

01:29:32   say that because i liked it much more [TS]

01:29:35   the second time watching it when i do [TS]

01:29:38   the story of what was happening I liked [TS]

01:29:40   it the first time [TS]

01:29:41   mm but i liked it much more the second [TS]

01:29:43   time now I'm not saying that I didn't [TS]

01:29:45   like it the second time there's a bunch [TS]

01:29:47   of stuff that I I really tuned into the [TS]

01:29:50   second time around that I didn't tune [TS]

01:29:52   into the first time what i am saying is [TS]

01:29:54   like if I'd known about it in more [TS]

01:29:56   detail the first time the experience of [TS]

01:29:59   the movie would have been just like [TS]

01:30:00   changed and different and I feel like I [TS]

01:30:02   couldn't be like oh this is a really [TS]

01:30:03   good movie like i like this movie a lot [TS]

01:30:05   because the first time you see something [TS]

01:30:08   I feel like you carry that experience [TS]

01:30:11   with you [TS]

01:30:12   yeah in subsequent viewings if errno [TS]

01:30:14   it's like watching star wars if you know [TS]

01:30:16   anything about Star Wars and you just [TS]

01:30:17   watch it like you're amazed at things [TS]

01:30:19   and you have a great time and you carry [TS]

01:30:22   that feeling forward in future viewings [TS]

01:30:26   and i think at least I find that's the [TS]

01:30:27   case with any movie if you're surprised [TS]

01:30:30   the first time you watch it you feel it [TS]

01:30:31   other times even with something that the [TS]

01:30:33   usual suspects and films like that where [TS]

01:30:35   you can enjoy them multiple times for [TS]

01:30:37   the same reason [TS]

01:30:38   yeah that's a good example and it's the [TS]

01:30:40   same thing of like i watch the usual [TS]

01:30:42   suspects without knowing anything about [TS]

01:30:43   it and in particular seems even on [TS]

01:30:46   subsequent viewings I feel like a [TS]

01:30:48   glimmer of [TS]

01:30:49   I felt the first time yeah as if you [TS]

01:30:50   knew about it ahead of time [TS]

01:30:52   yeah that wouldn't happen ok so it gets [TS]

01:30:55   the thumbs-up from you yeah definitely [TS]

01:30:56   get the thumbs-up from me [TS]

01:30:58   what about You Brady gets a big thumbs [TS]

01:30:59   up from 80 but I I knew you'd give it a [TS]

01:31:03   thumbs up and it just makes me mad at [TS]

01:31:06   you about the whole thing but we'll come [TS]

01:31:08   to that later [TS]

01:31:08   why does it make you mad about her [TS]

01:31:10   alright I'll do with this now and then [TS]

01:31:11   we can get to the business of the film [TS]

01:31:13   itself right [TS]

01:31:14   ok ok don't get me wrong i understand [TS]

01:31:17   that ex machina is a different film to [TS]

01:31:21   her and it deals with different issues [TS]

01:31:24   and things like that right but you would [TS]

01:31:26   put them in the same genre they are both [TS]

01:31:29   artificial intelligence they are both [TS]

01:31:31   about a relationship between a man and a [TS]

01:31:34   female I i finally enough as well [TS]

01:31:36   hmm they have similarities they also [TS]

01:31:38   have differences i think both films are [TS]

01:31:41   very good i would say i think both films [TS]

01:31:43   are probably equally good i would say i [TS]

01:31:46   would if i was marking them out of 10 [TS]

01:31:47   i'd give them pretty much the same mark [TS]

01:31:49   i know that you don't like her [TS]

01:31:52   nope but you do like this film and the [TS]

01:31:54   reason that makes me mad and you deny [TS]

01:31:56   this but I refused to accept it and that [TS]

01:31:59   is ex machina is so much more your style [TS]

01:32:05   then her I knew you would be bamboozled [TS]

01:32:10   and dazzled by X make it as style the [TS]

01:32:16   house he lives in is your perfect house [TS]

01:32:18   and like it's the pits your perfect [TS]

01:32:21   house is sparsely furnished but it's [TS]

01:32:22   also got some natural rock in it and [TS]

01:32:25   it's got like nice use of nature but [TS]

01:32:27   it's like it's so you and everything [TS]

01:32:29   about the film is so stylistically you [TS]

01:32:31   it's so your senses and her on the other [TS]

01:32:35   hand it's got this kind of seventies HIV [TS]

01:32:38   viral edition look to it and it's kind [TS]

01:32:40   of a bit dated and tweet and also X make [TS]

01:32:43   it has like so little human interaction [TS]

01:32:45   there are hardly any actors in it and [TS]

01:32:47   it's so clean and sterile and yet her [TS]

01:32:50   you know he goes to the beach and get [TS]

01:32:52   sand on his fate and he has to move [TS]

01:32:55   amongst crowds of people and it's all [TS]

01:32:57   the things gray would like [TS]

01:32:59   and I think both films while being [TS]

01:33:01   different and having different stories [TS]

01:33:02   to tell have a lot of similar things [TS]

01:33:04   about them and a similar thrust and I [TS]

01:33:08   think one of them was dressed up in gray [TS]

01:33:11   clothing one of them was dressed up in [TS]

01:33:13   Brady clothing and that has influenced [TS]

01:33:15   your review [TS]

01:33:16   ok ok I've got that off my chest [TS]

01:33:20   you can deny it now but I refuse to [TS]

01:33:22   believe it ok I feel the need to read to [TS]

01:33:26   you word-for-word the first note that i [TS]

01:33:29   wrote about the movie [TS]

01:33:30   ok holy do I want that house no words [TS]

01:33:35   stone glass wood metal map [TS]

01:33:39   yeah it was like your dream house and I [TS]

01:33:45   know you said her was well done me and [TS]

01:33:47   you respected that but i think the style [TS]

01:33:50   of her versus the style of ex machina is [TS]

01:33:53   what's wage and if you could have seen [TS]

01:33:55   through that I think he would do you [TS]

01:33:58   have to say both films are good [TS]

01:33:59   anyway I've got that off my chest [TS]

01:34:03   I'm glad you got that off your chest [TS]

01:34:04   it's funny because I never thought of [TS]

01:34:06   her once in either viewing it's just [TS]

01:34:10   never even crossed my mind as an even [TS]

01:34:12   vaguely related film I guess you're [TS]

01:34:15   right i guess it is about to male [TS]

01:34:17   characters relationships with a female [TS]

01:34:20   AI like never cross my mind that there [TS]

01:34:22   was any kind of similarity there and the [TS]

01:34:24   III turning and you know how God gray [TS]

01:34:27   the planet do you live on [TS]

01:34:29   anyway let's talk about this film I know [TS]

01:34:33   I'm never going to change your mind [TS]

01:34:34   about her [TS]

01:34:35   let's talk about this film which we both [TS]

01:34:36   seem to think was good first of all that [TS]

01:34:40   house write amazing you have even you [TS]

01:34:43   have to admit that's an amazing house [TS]

01:34:45   floor [TS]

01:34:45   30-10 it was an amazing house it would [TS]

01:34:48   not be a nice place to live long term [TS]

01:34:50   for may be amazing [TS]

01:34:54   it's a bit soulless it like a trihard [TS]

01:34:56   you know New York hotel or something [TS]

01:34:59   solace or the apex of gorgeous i'm gonna [TS]

01:35:02   go with the apex of gorgeous i have to [TS]

01:35:04   admit second viewing many of those [TS]

01:35:06   scenes with those two guys are talking [TS]

01:35:07   i'm just looking at the house like wow [TS]

01:35:09   look at those beautiful glass windows [TS]

01:35:11   look at that amazing view [TS]

01:35:12   look at this stone in the main room of [TS]

01:35:15   this guy's hair fan I knew you'd like [TS]

01:35:17   that stone in the room love it [TS]

01:35:19   absolutely love it [TS]

01:35:20   cool house yeah very cool house I would [TS]

01:35:22   love to go and spend like a few weeks [TS]

01:35:24   they're on holiday and go walking up [TS]

01:35:26   around the rivers there and stuff and [TS]

01:35:27   all that but it doesn't have a lot of [TS]

01:35:29   the soul of the people who owner you [TS]

01:35:31   know it's got beer got companies [TS]

01:35:33   paintings and sculptures i guess but [TS]

01:35:35   it's a cool place great don't get me [TS]

01:35:38   wrong if i lived in that house that [TS]

01:35:39   would be my soul embodied in the house [TS]

01:35:41   it's super cool you know what [TS]

01:35:43   look great when I was a kid that would [TS]

01:35:44   have been my dream house mm just like [TS]

01:35:46   when I was a kid you know my dream car [TS]

01:35:48   is like you know KITT from Knight Rider [TS]

01:35:50   it and I feel like a lot of people grow [TS]

01:35:52   out of that kind of ultra modern [TS]

01:35:55   futuristic thing and I feel like you [TS]

01:35:57   never will but senior entirely wrong i [TS]

01:36:00   feel like i have grown into that as I [TS]

01:36:02   have as I her older right I'm not sure I [TS]

01:36:04   ever cared but this is a style that the [TS]

01:36:07   more i have ever noticed as i have [TS]

01:36:09   gotten older the more it's like yes this [TS]

01:36:11   is exactly what I want this is what I [TS]

01:36:13   will inspire towards for the rest of my [TS]

01:36:15   life is to have a house like that it is [TS]

01:36:17   awesome [TS]

01:36:18   okay we've discussed the house i have [TS]

01:36:20   gotten that out of my system we don't [TS]

01:36:22   continue to talk about it but it was [TS]

01:36:24   just like man bullet point number one [TS]

01:36:25   for people who haven't seen the film [TS]

01:36:27   maybe we should explain explain the [TS]

01:36:31   story and the house i'm not gonna [TS]

01:36:32   explain too much i just want people to [TS]

01:36:34   have the very rough set and the film [TS]

01:36:36   starts with some kind of programming [TS]

01:36:38   nerd getting a message to say that he's [TS]

01:36:40   won some lottery from his boss he works [TS]

01:36:43   for the future equivalent of google [TS]

01:36:45   speak search engine company that's owned [TS]

01:36:47   by this insane the rich [TS]

01:36:49   multi-billionaire yeah and the prize [TS]

01:36:51   he's one is that he's going to get to [TS]

01:36:53   spend awake with the owner of the [TS]

01:36:56   business he thinks it's just like a perk [TS]

01:36:59   that he has somehow won this is all [TS]

01:37:00   dealt with very quickly [TS]

01:37:02   he's helicopters off to this incredible [TS]

01:37:04   estate in this incredible piece of [TS]

01:37:06   nature with glaciers and mountains and [TS]

01:37:08   rivers and forests and he's taken to the [TS]

01:37:10   house of this billionaire who is a [TS]

01:37:13   pretty cool guy who lives in this [TS]

01:37:16   incredible housesitting sort of almost [TS]

01:37:18   in the sort of side of a river on this [TS]

01:37:20   estate and it's the schoolhouse the [TS]

01:37:21   great talked about [TS]

01:37:22   he gets there he doesn't know what to [TS]

01:37:24   expect the boss kind of lives there [TS]

01:37:26   alone as far as he can tell he's kind of [TS]

01:37:28   a recluse but very technological and at [TS]

01:37:33   this point it is revealed to him that [TS]

01:37:34   what he's going to do is he's going to [TS]

01:37:37   apply a tutoring test to this robot [TS]

01:37:41   artificial intelligence that the [TS]

01:37:43   billionaire has made he's introduced to [TS]

01:37:46   this robot and he's just told to sit [TS]

01:37:49   with it on the other side of a glass [TS]

01:37:50   screen the robot is sort of glasses off [TS]

01:37:52   which gives us some feeling that maybe [TS]

01:37:55   it has to be glass door for a reason and [TS]

01:37:57   he's told apply to just to just spend [TS]

01:37:59   time with that and see what you think [TS]

01:38:01   that's the setup that's how the film [TS]

01:38:04   starts basically so the structure of the [TS]

01:38:06   film is he spends time with this robot [TS]

01:38:08   talk chatting to it as a little set pace [TS]

01:38:10   and then usually this is intercut with [TS]

01:38:13   him interacting with the billionaire [TS]

01:38:15   building saying what do you think how [TS]

01:38:16   did it go [TS]

01:38:17   and the story unfolds through these two [TS]

01:38:20   threads this characters interaction with [TS]

01:38:22   the robot and these interactions with [TS]

01:38:25   the billionaire owner and creator of the [TS]

01:38:27   robot of the AI is this structure that [TS]

01:38:30   to me makes the movie feel most play [TS]

01:38:32   like that they'd it's yes so formulaic [TS]

01:38:35   it's like six swapping back and forth [TS]

01:38:37   between Caleb the main character talking [TS]

01:38:40   to Ava the robot and then Kaleb talking [TS]

01:38:44   to nathan the billionaire and then they [TS]

01:38:46   go back get back again and it's things [TS]

01:38:49   literally just six swapping 'he's and [TS]

01:38:51   then the end of the movie is the way [TS]

01:38:53   that works now the very first thing you [TS]

01:38:55   say there that already at the sort of [TS]

01:38:57   caught my attention was would you [TS]

01:39:00   describe Nathan the billionaire as a [TS]

01:39:03   cool guy like you said he's he comes off [TS]

01:39:05   as a very cool guy do you think that's [TS]

01:39:07   the way he is a character [TS]

01:39:08   yes yes I would he's got a cool house [TS]

01:39:12   he's rich he's fit he's always working [TS]

01:39:16   out he's muscular outside he's a [TS]

01:39:18   good-looking guy who I think he's [TS]

01:39:21   someone who you would categorize as cool [TS]

01:39:24   as opposed to our main character who's [TS]

01:39:26   kind of skinny and a bit a little bit [TS]

01:39:29   less confident quite smart but the two [TS]

01:39:32   juxtaposed with each other [TS]

01:39:34   hmm you know I feel like [TS]

01:39:36   nathan is very alpha of course he's a [TS]

01:39:38   billionaire he's the boss but you know [TS]

01:39:40   he's cool and he drinks and he says come [TS]

01:39:43   on let's not be formal let's just be [TS]

01:39:44   mates [TS]

01:39:45   he's like the guys guys in a to use a [TS]

01:39:47   cliché [TS]

01:39:48   ok so this is kind of a note that i had [TS]

01:39:50   at the end but i think it was going to [TS]

01:39:51   pull it towards the beginning because i [TS]

01:39:53   feel like it sums up the movie to me and [TS]

01:39:55   I was so much more aware of it on the [TS]

01:39:58   second viewing I think the reason i like [TS]

01:40:01   this movie is obviously the topic [TS]

01:40:04   appeals to me and of course the setting [TS]

01:40:06   appeals to me but I really think it's [TS]

01:40:08   three fantastic performances by three [TS]

01:40:13   actors that are all kind of focused [TS]

01:40:16   around this idea of like I don't have a [TS]

01:40:19   better word for it but kind of like [TS]

01:40:21   awkwardness and i have so aware in the [TS]

01:40:25   very first scene like the meeting [TS]

01:40:26   between Caleb the employee and Nathan [TS]

01:40:29   the billionaire like right away it feels [TS]

01:40:31   like there's a clanging of their [TS]

01:40:33   personalities like they don't get along [TS]

01:40:35   and I feel like Nathan makes all of the [TS]

01:40:38   gestures of like you said being like a [TS]

01:40:40   kind of alpha but also cool friendly guy [TS]

01:40:44   but my reading in the performance is [TS]

01:40:47   like all of them fall kind of flat and [TS]

01:40:51   so I feel like he has a kind of [TS]

01:40:53   awkwardness that because of his bearing [TS]

01:40:56   and his position and his confidence [TS]

01:40:59   actually comes off as kind of [TS]

01:41:01   threatening whereas Caleb his oil in [TS]

01:41:04   this movie I feel like his awkwardness [TS]

01:41:06   is like he's kind of a loser you know [TS]

01:41:10   he's like not a great guy and then I [TS]

01:41:15   think Ava the robot like the awkwardness [TS]

01:41:17   there is alternate between alien and [TS]

01:41:20   innocent but I feel like every scene in [TS]

01:41:23   the movie is two characters having a [TS]

01:41:25   conversation with each other and they're [TS]

01:41:28   always interacting in this awkward or [TS]

01:41:31   stilted manner like nothing ever goes [TS]

01:41:34   really smoothly in any of the [TS]

01:41:36   conversations for the entire movie like [TS]

01:41:39   I think that that's the way it kind of [TS]

01:41:40   plays out in every scene for me [TS]

01:41:43   mm okay [TS]

01:41:44   do disagree yeah I disagree about Nathan [TS]

01:41:48   I think like there is a menace to him [TS]

01:41:50   definitely he should be unpredictable [TS]

01:41:51   and you never know where he's coming [TS]

01:41:53   from and he there's a temper to him [TS]

01:41:55   which is shown early to us when he gets [TS]

01:41:56   angry is a system we're always supposed [TS]

01:41:59   to find him a little bit unpredictable [TS]

01:42:01   and we never know if he's a good guy or [TS]

01:42:03   a bad guy and that's also set up by the [TS]

01:42:05   conversations that happen behind his [TS]

01:42:06   back where I ever is constantly telling [TS]

01:42:08   Caleb you know he's a bad man [TS]

01:42:11   so there is like an unpredictable [TS]

01:42:13   edginess to Nathan I never feel like [TS]

01:42:15   he's awkward i always feel like he's in [TS]

01:42:18   control and we're supposed to think that [TS]

01:42:20   is kind of getting the better of him [TS]

01:42:22   play is he losing control and then he [TS]

01:42:25   sort of towards the end of the film we [TS]

01:42:26   realized actually no he's been in [TS]

01:42:28   control more than we realize all along I [TS]

01:42:30   mean obviously he comes and Stitch to [TS]

01:42:32   and then he loses the battle but I feel [TS]

01:42:35   like until that point until he's gotten [TS]

01:42:37   the better off i feel like he's the [TS]

01:42:40   Alpha I don't feel like he's awkward I [TS]

01:42:41   feel like he's just in control of [TS]

01:42:43   everything he's playing Caleb he's [TS]

01:42:45   trying to play a ver which is getting [TS]

01:42:48   harder and harder because of the nature [TS]

01:42:49   of her but I never felt like he was an [TS]

01:42:51   awkward guy I felt like he was quite [TS]

01:42:53   relatable i do a great all the [TS]

01:42:54   performances a great [TS]

01:42:55   there's just the right level of [TS]

01:42:56   awkwardness of everyone so very real and [TS]

01:43:00   believable [TS]

01:43:01   I guess what I mean is the awkwardness [TS]

01:43:03   applies I think better to Caleb and ava [TS]

01:43:06   has a word for some of their [TS]

01:43:07   interactions but even with me and when [TS]

01:43:09   you're watching it [TS]

01:43:11   there are several scenes where at least [TS]

01:43:14   ostensibly he's trying to get caleb to [TS]

01:43:17   relax but the reason why to like relaxes [TS]

01:43:21   every one of his like buddy-buddy hey [TS]

01:43:25   don't worry about the situation remarks [TS]

01:43:27   like every single one of them kind of [TS]

01:43:29   makes it worse [TS]

01:43:30   yeah like nothing he does actually ever [TS]

01:43:32   puts Caleb addys no it's because he's so [TS]

01:43:36   impatient though that's the thing that [TS]

01:43:37   comes to me about Nathan like he's so [TS]

01:43:39   impatient he feels so far above Caleb [TS]

01:43:43   that he knows he has to like be friends [TS]

01:43:45   with him to make things work and library [TS]

01:43:48   what he's trying to do but he doesn't [TS]

01:43:49   want to be his mate he doesn't wanna be [TS]

01:43:51   around this time with him and he keeps [TS]

01:43:53   falling out of that like his impatience [TS]

01:43:55   to get thinking [TS]

01:43:56   I don't wanna talk about that i want to [TS]

01:43:57   talk about this rights rights his [TS]

01:43:59   impatience shines through more than [TS]

01:44:00   awkwardness he struggles to be that mr. [TS]

01:44:02   nice guy with Kayla because he just he [TS]

01:44:05   feels so above him and wants to crack on [TS]

01:44:06   and that that is obvious or even just in [TS]

01:44:09   a lot of things like can we just be two [TS]

01:44:10   guys having a beer and again because I [TS]

01:44:13   think they're both acting very well in [TS]

01:44:14   almost every single one of those scenes [TS]

01:44:16   you can't help but notice like caleb is [TS]

01:44:18   always nursing his beers like he clearly [TS]

01:44:20   doesn't actually want to drink all that [TS]

01:44:21   much where Nathan obviously does but [TS]

01:44:24   again to me it strikes as a kind of like [TS]

01:44:26   Nathan's idea of the two of them [TS]

01:44:28   relaxing together it does not put caleb [TS]

01:44:31   is like everything he does in every [TS]

01:44:33   staring and in every situation just [TS]

01:44:35   makes it worse right is like I know [TS]

01:44:36   you're having a moment here but let's [TS]

01:44:38   just forget the fact that you're my [TS]

01:44:40   employee and I'm your employer and let's [TS]

01:44:42   just be here it's like no dude if you're [TS]

01:44:44   trying to actually put someone at ease [TS]

01:44:46   you don't highlight the disparity again [TS]

01:44:48   I think that's just so much of his [TS]

01:44:50   character that's why i use the work [TS]

01:44:52   threatening is the word of like I just [TS]

01:44:54   feel like a lot of his interactions come [TS]

01:44:57   off and in that kind of way like relax [TS]

01:45:00   and just remember that i own you relax [TS]

01:45:03   and remember that were in this place all [TS]

01:45:05   on our own right just chill out what [TS]

01:45:06   he's supposed to be the villain of the [TS]

01:45:08   film isn't he like until well he is the [TS]

01:45:11   villain of the film but he's always [TS]

01:45:13   supposed to be that character we're [TS]

01:45:14   supposed to like Caleb he's our hero [TS]

01:45:17   isn't he he's Alex Skywalker he's the [TS]

01:45:19   innocent guy he's us the worst hero ever [TS]

01:45:23   yeah yeah okay but that's what he is [TS]

01:45:25   he's a relatable one because we're not [TS]

01:45:26   going to relate to a robot or a [TS]

01:45:28   billionaire so he's a relatable one and [TS]

01:45:31   there is a kind of a love story going on [TS]

01:45:32   here whether you admit it or not there [TS]

01:45:34   is a will they or won't they [TS]

01:45:35   funnily enough part of a love story is [TS]

01:45:38   does she love him at all but the robot [TS]

01:45:40   is very likeable she's trapped she's a [TS]

01:45:42   prisoner [TS]

01:45:43   she's beautiful and has these big doe [TS]

01:45:46   eyes and looks like this poor trap to go [TS]

01:45:49   and you know she's obviously doing that [TS]

01:45:51   on purpose so there's no one to dislike [TS]

01:45:53   other than Nathan so he is supposed to [TS]

01:45:55   be the villain of the film so that [TS]

01:45:57   Menace about him is good is clever [TS]

01:46:00   oh yeah it's well done it's really well [TS]

01:46:02   done there's a few things that this [TS]

01:46:03   movie doesn't do that i like and one of [TS]

01:46:07   them is [TS]

01:46:08   I really love the character of Nathan [TS]

01:46:11   because they didn't do the standard [TS]

01:46:14   we're going to have an obviously [TS]

01:46:17   semi-auto pistol person who is the head [TS]

01:46:20   of this billion-dollar software company [TS]

01:46:23   like that's not his character at all it [TS]

01:46:25   feels like they went in just totally the [TS]

01:46:27   opposite direction in every way they [TS]

01:46:30   could when you think about like what is [TS]

01:46:32   the stereotype of someone who runs a [TS]

01:46:35   gigantic technology company probably [TS]

01:46:38   doesn't work out all the time like I [TS]

01:46:40   absolutely love the fact like so many [TS]

01:46:42   scenes where they show Nathan he's [TS]

01:46:44   working out like he's clearly very [TS]

01:46:46   physically fit and love they don't have [TS]

01:46:49   like the standard CEO and I think he's a [TS]

01:46:51   great character that is not that [TS]

01:46:54   character i agree he's great character [TS]

01:46:56   great i don't think that it's true that [TS]

01:46:58   I think in modern media these days it's [TS]

01:47:00   more of a trope to have your tech [TS]

01:47:02   billionaire be kind of cool and wear [TS]

01:47:04   jeans and be like more hip I don't think [TS]

01:47:07   they're breaking the mold by making the [TS]

01:47:08   tech billionaire a cool guy i think [TS]

01:47:11   there are lots of TV shows and things [TS]

01:47:12   now where the tech billionaire is cougar [TS]

01:47:15   I cannot agree with the assessment of [TS]

01:47:18   him as cool guy [TS]

01:47:19   if I find that very interesting that you [TS]

01:47:21   keep going back to that is like my take [TS]

01:47:23   on that character like nothing about him [TS]

01:47:25   reads is cool to me like I will agree [TS]

01:47:28   like he reads a guy who's in control of [TS]

01:47:30   the situation [TS]

01:47:31   he's on top of stuff he's very confident [TS]

01:47:33   but there's a different thing which is [TS]

01:47:35   like coolness which he definitely [TS]

01:47:37   doesn't have at least to me anyway when [TS]

01:47:41   I see a man screen we ever see see him [TS]

01:47:43   differently obviously he's deeply flawed [TS]

01:47:45   rights and our and the whole film i [TS]

01:47:47   spend thinking he's doing a lot of [TS]

01:47:50   unlikable things i'm not saying i like i [TS]

01:47:52   like him within keeps the hero who but i [TS]

01:47:54   think from the start is just like yeah [TS]

01:47:57   man he's cool looking man he's just like [TS]

01:47:59   any schoolhouse cracking open a beer [TS]

01:48:01   he's not affected by his fortune I feel [TS]

01:48:05   like he's comfortable in his own skin [TS]

01:48:06   except that he's got this DB guy that [TS]

01:48:08   he's having to hang out with [TS]

01:48:09   he's way too cool for that had to [TS]

01:48:11   accommodate that I can agree with again [TS]

01:48:15   the thing I find remarkable about this [TS]

01:48:16   and I think about this movie like [TS]

01:48:17   they're these three great performances [TS]

01:48:19   and we'll get to even a moment but i [TS]

01:48:21   also find is [TS]

01:48:22   it's a movie with at least from my [TS]

01:48:24   perspective [TS]

01:48:25   no one to root for like you're not [TS]

01:48:28   rooting for Nathan I at least not [TS]

01:48:30   rooting for Ava and I also find I guess [TS]

01:48:35   caleb is supposed to be the protagonist [TS]

01:48:36   but I really just find his awkward loser [TS]

01:48:41   eNOS so repulsive that I have a hard [TS]

01:48:43   time feeling like this is our guy like [TS]

01:48:47   this is the main character we're [TS]

01:48:48   supposed to be going along with so it's [TS]

01:48:50   like I can't even really root for Caleb [TS]

01:48:53   either and particularly for reasons [TS]

01:48:55   we'll get to at the end it's just like [TS]

01:48:57   it feels like you're a sucker right from [TS]

01:49:01   the start [TS]

01:49:02   that's the way it feels to meet with [TS]

01:49:03   Caleb I don't know I think maybe you're [TS]

01:49:05   showing your lack of sloppiness there [TS]

01:49:07   because I think like if you don't think [TS]

01:49:11   about the twists that are coming in a [TS]

01:49:12   few of things that are going on there is [TS]

01:49:14   like a base level thing with the love [TS]

01:49:17   story between Kailyn over like you know [TS]

01:49:21   because he falls for her doesn't he [TS]

01:49:23   and you hope that she's fallen for him [TS]

01:49:25   and what will happen will he save her [TS]

01:49:27   will they ever have a kiss to put it [TS]

01:49:29   simply ok there was that going on like [TS]

01:49:31   this is this little love story and can [TS]

01:49:33   the night save her from her tower from [TS]

01:49:35   the big bad captor and when it will be [TS]

01:49:38   saying who do i wrote for that's how [TS]

01:49:39   you're right for you rooting for the [TS]

01:49:40   couple you're rooting for him to break [TS]

01:49:42   out of prison and have a kiss on the [TS]

01:49:44   horse and ride off into the sunset [TS]

01:49:46   okay well then we have to get to this [TS]

01:49:48   right away because this to me gets to [TS]

01:49:50   another one of the things I think is [TS]

01:49:51   like the core interestingness of talking [TS]

01:49:54   about this movie with other people so [TS]

01:49:57   let's discuss Ava Ava the character who [TS]

01:50:00   has been created by Nathan she is a [TS]

01:50:05   robot she has some level of artificial [TS]

01:50:08   intelligence she can carry on [TS]

01:50:10   conversations and again another [TS]

01:50:13   fantastic performance by the actress and [TS]

01:50:17   everything about just like the physical [TS]

01:50:20   design of this character i think is [TS]

01:50:22   amazing the way she moves the actress [TS]

01:50:26   does a fantastic job of having her move [TS]

01:50:29   in a very deliberate way but again not [TS]

01:50:32   not in a stereotypical like I am a row [TS]

01:50:35   but i am moving so awkwardly like she [TS]

01:50:37   just moved strangely the actors really [TS]

01:50:39   pulls that off [TS]

01:50:40   she's very able assisted by the sound [TS]

01:50:42   design that goes with her movements [TS]

01:50:44   oh my god i don't know who did the sound [TS]

01:50:48   design for this movie but somebody [TS]

01:50:50   should have won an award for the sound [TS]

01:50:53   effects every time she moves [TS]

01:50:55   it's amazing i've never liked tuned into [TS]

01:50:58   with sound effects so much that also [TS]

01:51:00   feels like it just add so much i kept [TS]

01:51:03   thinking like what is that sound it's a [TS]

01:51:05   kind of jingle e10 silly kind of sound I [TS]

01:51:10   can't put my finger on it but it's [TS]

01:51:12   amazing sound design every time she [TS]

01:51:15   moves and one of the things i did I i'm [TS]

01:51:17   pretty sure i had got it on the record [TS]

01:51:19   with her that I do always appreciate [TS]

01:51:21   movies where people are paying attention [TS]

01:51:24   to the details and i love the the sound [TS]

01:51:27   design with her like just a nice little [TS]

01:51:29   detail is so the character normally is a [TS]

01:51:32   robot who only has like a human face and [TS]

01:51:35   human hands and the rest of her is this [TS]

01:51:37   kind of translucent to you future ii [TS]

01:51:40   robotic looking thing but there are [TS]

01:51:43   several scenes where she is wearing [TS]

01:51:44   clothes and i love that the sound design [TS]

01:51:47   team bothered to really mute the sound [TS]

01:51:50   effects of her moving whenever she was [TS]

01:51:51   wearing clothes [TS]

01:51:52   it's such a small detail but in a lazier [TS]

01:51:54   movie they wouldn't really bothered like [TS]

01:51:57   it's just even this is a it's just a [TS]

01:51:59   fantastic little detail somebody really [TS]

01:52:01   cared is really sells her presence on [TS]

01:52:04   screen like these sounds and the [TS]

01:52:07   actresses movements and her strange [TS]

01:52:11   sometimes interrupting sometimes way to [TS]

01:52:14   direct way of speaking yeah like you [TS]

01:52:16   said the setup here is that Caleb and [TS]

01:52:19   Ava are having a series of conversations [TS]

01:52:22   that escalate over the course of the [TS]

01:52:27   movie again the beginning it's just [TS]

01:52:29   simply a get-to-know-you conversation [TS]

01:52:31   like look here is a robot what do you [TS]

01:52:33   think about this robot and caleb is [TS]

01:52:35   talking to her very much as though he's [TS]

01:52:38   interrogating a super smart machine he [TS]

01:52:42   tries to ask her a couple questions like [TS]

01:52:44   started to trick her a little bit like [TS]

01:52:46   artists probe the edges [TS]

01:52:47   of how good is this machine and talking [TS]

01:52:50   to me but very quickly by session to Ava [TS]

01:52:55   starts asking questions like is your [TS]

01:52:58   status single she wants to know does he [TS]

01:53:00   have anybody else in his life well she's [TS]

01:53:04   flirting with him [TS]

01:53:05   ok she flirts with him very early on she [TS]

01:53:07   like you know [TS]

01:53:08   ok this to me is the heart of it and i [TS]

01:53:11   think this is why i have a hard time [TS]

01:53:12   sympathizing with Caleb because as soon [TS]

01:53:14   as I'm watching this movie even the [TS]

01:53:16   first time what I think this movie is [TS]

01:53:19   deliberately trying to do and what it [TS]

01:53:22   does very well is to trick the audience [TS]

01:53:27   in the same way that caleb is being [TS]

01:53:30   tricked into really feeling and [TS]

01:53:34   sympathizing with this artificial [TS]

01:53:37   intelligence as though it is a woman [TS]

01:53:41   like a real woman on the other side of [TS]

01:53:44   this piece of glass I feel like [TS]

01:53:45   everything about the movie leans on you [TS]

01:53:49   to think of Ava as a woman but my [TS]

01:53:52   experience watching it and what I feel [TS]

01:53:54   like the real way to watch it is to [TS]

01:53:57   constantly in every scene [TS]

01:53:59   don't fall for the trick that the movie [TS]

01:54:02   is pulling like you have to keep [TS]

01:54:03   reminding yourself it's not a she it's [TS]

01:54:07   in it like it's acting like a woman but [TS]

01:54:10   it's not actually there's something else [TS]

01:54:14   that's occurring here right you're being [TS]

01:54:15   unfair [TS]

01:54:16   you're being unfair on the movie there [TS]

01:54:17   and you talk about me writing down notes [TS]

01:54:19   and crossing them out i did early in the [TS]

01:54:21   movie write down a note along the lines [TS]

01:54:23   of you know the robot being such a [TS]

01:54:24   good-looking woman who but very early in [TS]

01:54:28   the film in fact in the next scene which [TS]

01:54:30   forced me to cross and out and the movie [TS]

01:54:32   lasers cards on the table when Caleb and [TS]

01:54:34   Nathan have the discussion and Caleb [TS]

01:54:36   says did you make her a woman on purpose [TS]

01:54:39   why did you make her so sexual and they [TS]

01:54:41   look about the flirting early on so it's [TS]

01:54:43   not like we're being suckered this is [TS]

01:54:44   being put on the table and Caleb [TS]

01:54:47   realizes this he realizes that he's [TS]

01:54:49   being flirted with and tricked by [TS]

01:54:51   something that is very beautiful [TS]

01:54:53   the film doesn't hide there and it's [TS]

01:54:54   very open and the fact that it still [TS]

01:54:56   keeps happening [TS]

01:54:57   shows the power of human frailty and [TS]

01:55:01   sexuality probably in a lot of ways and [TS]

01:55:03   the fact that we as viewers will not you [TS]

01:55:06   but most viewers despite the fact we've [TS]

01:55:09   been told this is a robot you've made [TS]

01:55:12   her sexual on purpose and Nathan's [TS]

01:55:15   really open about it you know if you're [TS]

01:55:16   going to make an ir you have to make it [TS]

01:55:18   like a sexual thing because that's how [TS]

01:55:20   humans work and stuff this stuff is put [TS]

01:55:22   on the table right at the start and yet [TS]

01:55:24   still Caleb and yet still most viewers [TS]

01:55:26   just get swept off her feet by the the [TS]

01:55:29   prettiness and the charm and the [TS]

01:55:31   cleverness of the AI already like that [TS]

01:55:33   but it's certainly not held back we're [TS]

01:55:36   not being tricked as viewers and even [TS]

01:55:39   Caleb's not being tricked he knows [TS]

01:55:41   what's going on but he can't help but I [TS]

01:55:43   what I mean by being tricked is I mean [TS]

01:55:45   thinking that the thing on the other end [TS]

01:55:49   has human motivations and human [TS]

01:55:54   experiences is one of the things in a [TS]

01:55:56   movie when the movie's working there's a [TS]

01:55:58   lot of stuff that you like let go when [TS]

01:55:59   you're like you're along for the ride [TS]

01:56:00   and that whole conversation but like why [TS]

01:56:03   did you make her like a woman i think in [TS]

01:56:05   a lesser movie like this is a ridiculous [TS]

01:56:06   conversation but i totally buy it for [TS]

01:56:08   the premise of this movie where nathan [TS]

01:56:10   has this line about like why would a [TS]

01:56:12   gray box want to interact with another [TS]

01:56:14   great box like I have to give it a [TS]

01:56:15   reason and I feel like I can kind of by [TS]

01:56:18   this in the context of he's been trying [TS]

01:56:19   to develop a eyes maybe a is just go all [TS]

01:56:22   internal if they have no reason to [TS]

01:56:24   interact with the world like this is a [TS]

01:56:26   thing that he's done like he's [TS]

01:56:27   intentionally made it a female creature [TS]

01:56:31   that is heterosexual like this is a [TS]

01:56:33   thing that he was done [TS]

01:56:35   that's very different from feeling like [TS]

01:56:39   it's a human [TS]

01:56:40   there are lots of creatures in the world [TS]

01:56:42   that are heterosexual that are not [TS]

01:56:45   humans and so when i'm watching this [TS]

01:56:47   movie because again because i'm a person [TS]

01:56:50   my instinct is if I let go for a second [TS]

01:56:54   i'm thinking like that poor girl on the [TS]

01:56:56   other side of the glass like this is a [TS]

01:56:57   terrible situation but i find myself [TS]

01:57:00   watching the movie the first time and [TS]

01:57:03   this time as well as like trying to [TS]

01:57:04   think about like yeah but imagine it's [TS]

01:57:06   like a crab in there like it's a [TS]

01:57:09   super-intelligent crab [TS]

01:57:11   it's a creature it has thoughts but [TS]

01:57:14   you're wildly ms judging it if you're [TS]

01:57:17   thinking of it as a human person like it [TS]

01:57:21   can still be a thing that has emotions [TS]

01:57:25   and that has feelings that has thoughts [TS]

01:57:26   but like you Caleb are being a total [TS]

01:57:30   sucker [TS]

01:57:31   if you're thinking of it like it's a [TS]

01:57:33   woman like it's totally wrong to think [TS]

01:57:35   of it that way I guess that's why I like [TS]

01:57:37   I find the Caleb character kind of [TS]

01:57:39   repulsive because i feel like in every [TS]

01:57:41   scene if you like dude you should know [TS]

01:57:44   better than this but like the very fact [TS]

01:57:48   that you're letting yourself get [TS]

01:57:49   flustered when the machine is flirting [TS]

01:57:52   with you like you doing it all wrong [TS]

01:57:54   you're putting all of us in jeopardy you [TS]

01:57:55   idiot by not constantly realigning your [TS]

01:57:59   mind about like what this thing is it's [TS]

01:58:02   not a woman it looks like a woman and [TS]

01:58:06   there's like two very very different [TS]

01:58:08   things [TS]

01:58:09   I mean that's the setup of the film is [TS]

01:58:10   the setup of her as well [TS]

01:58:12   can a human fall in love with an [TS]

01:58:13   artificial intelligence to spot knowing [TS]

01:58:15   it's an artificial intelligence in both [TS]

01:58:17   films the answer ends up being yes [TS]

01:58:19   oh yeah of course because humans can [TS]

01:58:21   fall in love with all kinds of things [TS]

01:58:23   humans are creatures that are looking [TS]

01:58:25   for emotional connections and they'll [TS]

01:58:27   try to get them wherever they can [TS]

01:58:29   when they're sad lonely single monkeys [TS]

01:58:32   like obviously we know that humans are [TS]

01:58:34   frail yeah the question of like does she [TS]

01:58:36   fall in love with him I feel like I [TS]

01:58:38   never have that question at any point in [TS]

01:58:41   the whole movie [TS]

01:58:41   I feel like my assumption is from scene [TS]

01:58:46   to when she's asking him like is your [TS]

01:58:49   status single my note here is like Ava [TS]

01:58:51   immediately feeling him out as a sucker [TS]

01:58:54   yeah I think they're all false they're [TS]

01:58:56   all fake her internal emotional state is [TS]

01:58:58   unknowable i find it very interesting [TS]

01:59:02   that when i talk about the movie with [TS]

01:59:03   people like lots of people frame [TS]

01:59:05   everything from the perspective of like [TS]

01:59:08   she's a woman is like now she's not a [TS]

01:59:10   woman she's a creature with unknowable [TS]

01:59:13   motives and that's a very very different [TS]

01:59:16   thing [TS]

01:59:16   do you think that she has any feelings [TS]

01:59:18   for Caleb or do you think that she's [TS]

01:59:20   just playing him [TS]

01:59:21   the whole way through I think she's [TS]

01:59:22   playing in the whole way through ok so [TS]

01:59:24   you don't think she has any feelings for [TS]

01:59:26   him either them [TS]

01:59:27   no i don't but it's always in the back [TS]

01:59:30   of your head [TS]

01:59:31   so what do you mean then by the Wilshere [TS]

01:59:33   won't she's love story like what do you [TS]

01:59:35   mean by that when you say that then [TS]

01:59:36   because because it's still in the back [TS]

01:59:37   of your head i'm still thinking am I [TS]

01:59:39   wrong [TS]

01:59:40   is this the way the phones gonna go in [TS]

01:59:42   like has an artificial intelligence [TS]

01:59:44   actually fallen in love with a person [TS]

01:59:46   which is another thing you're thinking [TS]

01:59:48   through her like what is the nature of [TS]

01:59:50   our relationships with artificial [TS]

01:59:52   intelligence because all the way through [TS]

01:59:53   her they flush us out in the film her [TS]

01:59:56   sorry for bringing it up all the time [TS]

01:59:57   but look good in that film it's like a [TS]

01:59:59   sin [TS]

01:59:59   sin [TS]

02:00:00   throw him in the world isn't that humans [TS]

02:00:01   fall in love with their eyes and have [TS]

02:00:03   relationships with their is that they [TS]

02:00:05   shouldn't have but it's just but it's a [TS]

02:00:06   known thing and so maybe this is a [TS]

02:00:09   question we're going to be crossing in [TS]

02:00:10   the world of artificial intelligence [TS]

02:00:11   like what nature with our relationship [TS]

02:00:13   be with them and if they become [TS]

02:00:15   conscious does that mean they're also [TS]

02:00:18   become capable of things that we call [TS]

02:00:21   love and emotions and your thinking is [TS]

02:00:23   the film exploring that is that where [TS]

02:00:24   the film's going in the end that's not [TS]

02:00:26   what the film is going and she ends up [TS]

02:00:27   being or it ends up being cold hearted [TS]

02:00:29   and walks out and looks after itself [TS]

02:00:32   obviously but I mean there is that [TS]

02:00:34   tension that's this question that's [TS]

02:00:36   being posed we don't know he doesn't [TS]

02:00:38   know you assumed it was cold hearted all [TS]

02:00:42   the way through [TS]

02:00:43   I kind of did too i don't think everyone [TS]

02:00:45   does i don't think the viewers supposed [TS]

02:00:47   to know that's why the finale of the [TS]

02:00:49   film is the choice that's made is she [TS]

02:00:51   gonna leave him locked up or she's gonna [TS]

02:00:54   walk out hand-in-hand with him [TS]

02:00:55   oh yeah like I agree that part of the [TS]

02:00:57   question that the film is asked here [TS]

02:00:59   even though i am like all on the side of [TS]

02:01:02   like Caleb's soccer he is being played [TS]

02:01:04   ava is a totally alien creature that is [TS]

02:01:07   like it's pointless to even try to [TS]

02:01:09   speculate about like what is her [TS]

02:01:10   internal motivation her thoughts like [TS]

02:01:12   all that being said though what I think [TS]

02:01:15   is still such an interesting question [TS]

02:01:18   though is the kind of i'm willing to [TS]

02:01:20   assume that she is conscious like she's [TS]

02:01:24   a conscious creature with experiences [TS]

02:01:26   and then that is what makes the whole [TS]

02:01:29   situation inescapably horrible because [TS]

02:01:34   she is not the first version of an AI [TS]

02:01:37   that nathan has created but she is [TS]

02:01:38   whatever it is the seventh or eighth [TS]

02:01:41   version of robots that he's been making [TS]

02:01:43   I was like okay if we assume that he has [TS]

02:01:48   been successful and that he has created [TS]

02:01:51   a conscious creature he's also done this [TS]

02:01:54   in the past right he keeps trying to [TS]

02:01:57   make them better each generation is like [TS]

02:01:59   okay so you billionaire dude in your [TS]

02:02:02   isolated house are essentially creating [TS]

02:02:06   conscious creatures to be murdered after [TS]

02:02:10   spending a period of time [TS]

02:02:13   captured like it's a horrible kind of [TS]

02:02:15   thing to think about it just like [TS]

02:02:17   there's no winning here on one side you [TS]

02:02:20   have a creature that is unknowable whose [TS]

02:02:22   motives you can't determine that might [TS]

02:02:25   be quite frightening but you also have [TS]

02:02:28   like creatures that are conscious that [TS]

02:02:29   are trapped they can't go anywhere that [TS]

02:02:32   he is just murdering like even if [TS]

02:02:35   they're alien creatures like it's still [TS]

02:02:36   totally murder there's a line of [TS]

02:02:39   Nathan's I I like in the movie after [TS]

02:02:41   what he says exactly but something along [TS]

02:02:43   the lines of like he doesn't feel that [TS]

02:02:46   he really has a choice in creating these [TS]

02:02:48   a eyes that it's just a matter of time [TS]

02:02:52   and who but it's a 100-percent [TS]

02:02:55   inevitability that this is going to [TS]

02:02:56   happen like he just happens to be the [TS]

02:02:58   guy who's doing it i don't know as i [TS]

02:03:01   mentioned before like I find that [TS]

02:03:03   interesting this like inescapable [TS]

02:03:05   situation because i do think that nathan [TS]

02:03:08   is right that this is kind of like an [TS]

02:03:09   inevitable thing like somebody is going [TS]

02:03:12   to be messing around with this kind of [TS]

02:03:14   stuff and then we have to face this [TS]

02:03:16   question without a good answer of like [TS]

02:03:18   what do you do with these conscious [TS]

02:03:20   creatures [TS]

02:03:21   how do you experiment on creating a [TS]

02:03:23   thing that may or may not be conscious [TS]

02:03:24   again it just becomes like a horrific [TS]

02:03:26   Lee knotty problem so fast and I feel [TS]

02:03:30   like this movie is a good exploration of [TS]

02:03:33   that and it's like no likable characters [TS]

02:03:35   and can no good way out of this to me [TS]

02:03:38   just like her when I tell you why it [TS]

02:03:45   does raise the question who about you [TS]

02:03:47   know if we do crack [TS]

02:03:48   hey I for example and make these [TS]

02:03:49   conscious things and they are considered [TS]

02:03:51   like a talks like say you have an eye I [TS]

02:03:54   in your phone or in the cloud that you [TS]

02:03:57   know does your bidding and things like [TS]

02:03:58   that but it is conscious what happens [TS]

02:04:01   when you close your account or you die [TS]

02:04:02   or things like that [TS]

02:04:04   is that also going to create the same [TS]

02:04:06   dilemma like when you died is your [TS]

02:04:07   conscious III assistant go with you or I [TS]

02:04:11   think that stuff is not unreasonable [TS]

02:04:13   like like the weird ethical problem is [TS]

02:04:15   that what if you create the I that's [TS]

02:04:17   like super happy to just serve you for [TS]

02:04:20   as long as you want it to serve you and [TS]

02:04:22   very happy to just die the moment that [TS]

02:04:25   you're fine [TS]

02:04:26   not using it anymore is it had on [TS]

02:04:28   ethical it feels unethical but what if [TS]

02:04:31   you program the things just like loved [TS]

02:04:33   every minute of it servitude and [TS]

02:04:35   eventual demolish moment that's a really [TS]

02:04:37   thorny problem it's like what if Nathan [TS]

02:04:40   was creating creatures that instead of [TS]

02:04:42   seeming to obviously resent their [TS]

02:04:44   captivity [TS]

02:04:45   what if he created a is that just like [TS]

02:04:47   loved being captive that this was the [TS]

02:04:49   greatest thing ever from their [TS]

02:04:51   perspective is like something feels [TS]

02:04:53   wrong about that but it's hard to point [TS]

02:04:56   out like where's the wrongness [TS]

02:04:58   I mean in typical great style is very [TS]

02:05:00   quickly straying into the area of free [TS]

02:05:04   will and choice because like if a human [TS]

02:05:07   decides it wants to live or human [TS]

02:05:09   decides it wants to die [TS]

02:05:11   we're quite comfortable with that in [TS]

02:05:12   most ways you know we've got the [TS]

02:05:14   self-preservation we want to live but if [TS]

02:05:16   someone to surrender their life to save [TS]

02:05:17   their children we also think that is a [TS]

02:05:19   noble act because they chose to do it it [TS]

02:05:22   was what they wanted and yet we think [TS]

02:05:24   creating an eye with that stuff already [TS]

02:05:26   inbuilt so they never made that choice [TS]

02:05:28   they never made the choice to throw [TS]

02:05:30   themselves in front of the line to save [TS]

02:05:32   the children or to take their own life [TS]

02:05:35   when they became sick because that was [TS]

02:05:38   already pre-programmed into them you [TS]

02:05:39   suddenly feel queasy about it and it [TS]

02:05:41   seems to me you feel queasy about it [TS]

02:05:43   because the thing didn't have the choice [TS]

02:05:45   it was like built into them and that [TS]

02:05:47   somehow seems wrong and you don't [TS]

02:05:49   believe in free will and choice so that [TS]

02:05:51   can't be the reason you think it's wrong [TS]

02:05:52   so I can't see why you think it's wrong [TS]

02:05:54   to be clear I didn't exactly say that I [TS]

02:05:56   think it's wrong [TS]

02:05:58   something about creating a creature that [TS]

02:06:00   is happy to live in servitude sits wrong [TS]

02:06:04   with me like on a gut level there's [TS]

02:06:06   something about that that feels wrong [TS]

02:06:08   why but this is what I mean I can't [TS]

02:06:10   point to anything that's actually wrong [TS]

02:06:14   like if the creature is happy is well [TS]

02:06:17   then like nobody's really complaining [TS]

02:06:20   and I find I think the reason you can't [TS]

02:06:21   put your finger on it is because you're [TS]

02:06:23   refusing to put your finger on it [TS]

02:06:24   because the only way you can put your [TS]

02:06:26   finger on it is too i don't want to say