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H.I. #67: Doctor Brady

 

  great for this episode of this episode [TS]

  only em will you call me dr. heron last [TS]

  time we spoke we talked about brexit and [TS]

  at that point in time we had no Prime [TS]

  Minister and no idea of what might or [TS]

  might not happen and now we do have a [TS]

  prime minister things have moved along [TS]

  in the world but i am still of the [TS]

  opinion that I think it seems unlikely [TS]

  the maximum breakfast is going to occur [TS]

  I've been following the news like ever [TS]

  so slightly and I just keep seeing a [TS]

  whole bunch of like mustn't be so hasty [TS]

  news with regard to brexit just [TS]

  yesterday even saw a headline which was [TS]

  the new prime minister announcing [TS]

  something like we will not do article 15 [TS]

  until the beginning of 2017 at the [TS]

  earliest so I feel like the campaign to [TS]

  push this back has begun [TS]

  that's my feelings on what the current [TS]

  state of players with brexit I have to [TS]

  say I'm so upset about bricks for so [TS]

  many reasons but one of the main ones is [TS]

  I've never been one of those people [TS]

  that's that into politics em and i [TS]

  always find people who are like really [TS]

  into politics and talking about all the [TS]

  time a little bit annoying [TS]

  yes like when people talk about sports [TS]

  okay yeah fair enough for me politics [TS]

  was that annoying thing and I've become [TS]

  one of those people lately like I find [TS]

  myself at dinner parties talking about [TS]

  politics and I go out with people i talk [TS]

  about politics number are no I've become [TS]

  that annoying person better and 'iblame [TS]

  breaks it so I'm really fighting against [TS]

  it [TS]

  fighting and I don't want to be that guy [TS]

  because I know politics is well I mean [TS]

  I'm not gonna say it's boring because [TS]

  everyone finds different things [TS]

  interesting and like you say I find [TS]

  sport interesting [TS]

  yes I'm not gonna say politics is boring [TS]

  but politics is usually a disagreeable [TS]

  thing to talk about a lot you know they [TS]

  say it's one of those topics you [TS]

  shouldn't bring up i need to tone that [TS]

  down its politics be so interesting [TS]

  lately though breaks or no breaks it's [TS]

  just triggered such interesting stuff in [TS]

  the political parties as they're all [TS]

  sort of turned on themselves it's like [TS]

  The Hunger Games you can't stop watching [TS]

  it [TS]

  it's funny I kind of agree that for a [TS]

  long long time I was avoiding following [TS]

  any of the brexit news and i'm still not [TS]

  hugely following it now [TS]

  but just around when we recorded our [TS]

  last show I finally realized like oh [TS]

  there is something interesting to talk [TS]

  about here and I keep feeling like this [TS]

  has given us the most perfect dilemma [TS]

  for a representative democracy ever i'm [TS]

  never super interested in the particular [TS]

  details of the in party fighting or [TS]

  who's doing what I do find the bigger [TS]

  picture quite interesting now that if [TS]

  I'm right the conservatives don't really [TS]

  want to do this then I think it is like [TS]

  this quandary of what is a [TS]

  representative democracy to do and so I [TS]

  think that's really interesting but [TS]

  again as far as i can tell it looks like [TS]

  they're just totally stalling for as [TS]

  long as they possibly can i thought your [TS]

  brakes a video was quite good too it was [TS]

  a nice sort of crystallization of what [TS]

  we discussed in the last episode I [TS]

  thought it was a nice return to form [TS]

  after a couple of bollocks videos you [TS]

  can lightly so that's what I thank you I [TS]

  really appreciate that [TS]

  yeah every backhanded compliment I've [TS]

  also found like you that it is [TS]

  absolutely unavoidable to discuss brexit [TS]

  with almost everybody in the whole of [TS]

  the UK for the past couple weeks like it [TS]

  since I came back from America and since [TS]

  I've been here it's like literally [TS]

  everybody wants to talk brexit you go to [TS]

  like a dinner party you end up talking [TS]

  brexit offense it up like just in cafes [TS]

  like the person giving me the coffee [TS]

  wants to talk breaks it like this [TS]

  doesn't seem like an appropriate venue [TS]

  for this budget is clearly on [TS]

  everybody's mind is unavoidable dude [TS]

  it's worse in America [TS]

  well if you're the british guy like a [TS]

  few the British in quotation marks [TS]

  because because every party to go to [TS]

  every day you go to every conversation [TS]

  is all anyone wants to ask you about [TS]

  it's like what the hell happened man [TS]

  what's going on [TS]

  explain to me and and being someone who [TS]

  didn't vote for breakfast i'm having to [TS]

  sort of try and explain what's going on [TS]

  and I'm like putting a really difficult [TS]

  situation but I feel like sort of the [TS]

  freak in the room all the time so I was [TS]

  glad to get out and no longer have to [TS]

  answer questions about it we are again [TS]

  going to be passing each other because [TS]

  you have just recently gotten back to [TS]

  the UK and i am going back to America [TS]

  again tomorrow so we keep flipping [TS]

  continents so you're back here you don't [TS]

  have to keep explaining to people [TS]

  what's going on you're not the [TS]

  representative of the whole of the UK as [TS]

  the australian guy and [TS]

  anyway having done the video i mean [TS]

  obviously we talked about on the podcast [TS]

  but it's another order of magnitude when [TS]

  you do a video on something [TS]

  did you find you sort of your inboxes [TS]

  and the ways that people try to get to [TS]

  use to get sort of more demand than [TS]

  usual or did you manage to show yourself [TS]

  from all the hordes it was a hugely [TS]

  hugely active discussion on the reddit I [TS]

  sort of have a whole bunch of ways now [TS]

  to filter out my email so that it [TS]

  doesn't get exploded when this occurs [TS]

  anymore which is useful [TS]

  yeah but yeah there was a whole bunch of [TS]

  discussion about it and as always [TS]

  youtube comments aside at least on the [TS]

  reddit comments I've found you know for [TS]

  the most part people were pretty civil [TS]

  in their disagreements and discussions [TS]

  on what ya wise be a touchy topic [TS]

  your people are passionate but I think [TS]

  that's fair i think generally people are [TS]

  more civil about it and some other [TS]

  topics i do have some advice for people [TS]

  that I mean people are obviously aware [TS]

  that one of the places they could get [TS]

  the attention of grey or to a lesser [TS]

  extent myself is to go into our [TS]

  subreddits I don't know if this is true [TS]

  for you grab it is true for me if you do [TS]

  want me to read your comment and reply [TS]

  to it you can keep it sure is my [TS]

  recommendation if you say here's what i [TS]

  have to say and I see like 19 sentences [TS]

  who you are wasting your time and I [TS]

  think you probably wasting your time for [TS]

  anyone to read it's just like posting up [TS]

  five-minute youtube video versus a [TS]

  40-minute youtube video people don't [TS]

  even start when they see how long it is [TS]

  from the start [TS]

  Candace ice is k even if you've got a [TS]

  lot to say you've got to think no just [TS]

  say one thing because that's the only [TS]

  chance anyone rate up [TS]

  I feel sorry for these people that write [TS]

  these big long essays like I've got [TS]

  something to say and I want your [TS]

  alternator and then you see this like [TS]

  eight pages of text [TS]

  it's like dude no one's reading that I [TS]

  hope you realize it [TS]

  yeah that's what they call the wall of [TS]

  text right here is the giant wall of [TS]

  text and you feel like am I going to [TS]

  climb over this wall of text [TS]

  no i'm not totally aware of that same [TS]

  thing every once in awhile i read it i [TS]

  think perhaps the time in my life when I [TS]

  read the most biggest longest walls of [TS]

  text ever was the great guns germs and [TS]

  steel debate i did read like all of that [TS]

  stuff but in a regular reddit thread [TS]

  when someone leaves one of those just [TS]

  like forget it i'm not going to read [TS]

  this my other personal annoyance is when [TS]

  people try to put two different things [TS]

  in [TS]

  single comments i always feel like you [TS]

  have multiple things to say leave [TS]

  multiple comments so that the thread [TS]

  structure is really clear i always get [TS]

  annoyed when people try to have like two [TS]

  totally separate unrelated ideas in a [TS]

  comment keep it clean people nice and [TS]

  simple one idea proposed every post very [TS]

  short there's only a finite amount of [TS]

  attention in the world and you need [TS]

  strategies to get people's attention [TS]

  it's totally drew it without a doubt [TS]

  that is the case i think i've said [TS]

  before some point on this podcast but i [TS]

  really do think that in the modern [TS]

  internet interconnected info dense world [TS]

  that the tension is a kind of currency [TS]

  yeah that this is a thing that you have [TS]

  to be mindful of and collecting up a [TS]

  bunch of people's attention is a [TS]

  valuable thing and how you spend your [TS]

  own attention is a valuable thing and [TS]

  then that rolls into what you're saying [TS]

  here of how do you attempt to get the [TS]

  attention of somebody else you have to [TS]

  be strategic about it i mean the people [TS]

  who are most successful on YouTube [TS]

  people like yourself I mean I think your [TS]

  greatest skill is the curation and [TS]

  management of people's attention much [TS]

  more than the quality of the video which [TS]

  you make with your good but I think your [TS]

  kin eNOS with a managing people's [TS]

  attention is your greatest asset in many [TS]

  ways [TS]

  what do you mean by that I think you put [TS]

  lots and lots of thought and strategy [TS]

  into how to get people's attention and [TS]

  sort of keep them interested in what [TS]

  you're doing and engaged with you as a [TS]

  creator [TS]

  I think you think about it a lot more [TS]

  than I do i think if i was going for [TS]

  maximum amount of attention more lists [TS]

  videos [TS]

  no no but in some ways I I imagined you [TS]

  as someone who ways that up [TS]

  ways up the clickbait eNOS of you know a [TS]

  list video or attention-grabbing [TS]

  thumbnail versus the goodwill and [TS]

  respect and longer-term attention of [TS]

  someone who has more credibility and is [TS]

  a bit more proper about such things I I [TS]

  think you think about all these things a [TS]

  lot because there's a downside to list [TS]

  videos as well I can imagine you [TS]

  thinking do I make a list video here's [TS]

  what would be good about it would have a [TS]

  lot of short-term upside but it might [TS]

  have downside in the longer [TS]

  and I made you as someone who thinks [TS]

  about all this stuff I think you're very [TS]

  canny is trying to do you think about [TS]

  that stuff and actually just yesterday I [TS]

  came up with I thought was a really good [TS]

  idea for a list video so not against [TS]

  this video's in principle it just [TS]

  depends on on if it works but actually [TS]

  since you bring this up i have a [TS]

  question for you which is this is one of [TS]

  those times where I feel like I don't [TS]

  know if I'm having a subjective [TS]

  experience you like you tune into with [TS]

  thing and then there's just a whole [TS]

  bunch of confirmation bias about the [TS]

  thing or not but I feel like the cliq [TS]

  babyness of headlines and thumbnails on [TS]

  youtube has really gone up in the last [TS]

  six months titles that are just [TS]

  ambiguous or they have very clickbait [TS]

  style thumbnails i don't know i have a [TS]

  feeling like some switch got turned [TS]

  somewhere in YouTube when they got even [TS]

  better about a/b testing what it is [TS]

  the humans will click on youtube but [TS]

  maybe this is just my own subjective [TS]

  experience of this i don't know i think [TS]

  it's possible certainly I think a number [TS]

  of people creating content on YouTube [TS]

  obviously is going out but i think it's [TS]

  going up exponentially who and I think [TS]

  every man and their dog now considers [TS]

  themself like a YouTube which is fine i [TS]

  can be but it's inevitably going to [TS]

  result in arms war when it comes to [TS]

  attention seeking yeah well that's why [TS]

  it's on my mind because I've been aware [TS]

  for the last couple of videos and some [TS]

  of the things that I'm trying to work on [TS]

  now I've had this feeling like has this [TS]

  arms war gotten strong enough that I [TS]

  kind of have to give in and do more [TS]

  click baby titles or more click baby [TS]

  thumbnails because I generally don't [TS]

  like kind of clickbait stuff it doesn't [TS]

  just sit well with me but I've been [TS]

  wondering if I'm just being foolish at a [TS]

  certain point and maybe it's because I'm [TS]

  thinking about that i am now more [TS]

  sensitive to super click me any kind of [TS]

  stuff on YouTube but interesting might [TS]

  come up later on because if we talk [TS]

  about when your videos later we'll talk [TS]

  about cgpgrey bait [TS]

  ok alright good talk about that later [TS]

  go say saying we're doing follow-up we [TS]

  better not go too far down the rabbit [TS]

  hole emojis what's going on here [TS]

  yes so we were discussing the emoji [TS]

  flags last time [TS]

  who-should-date-who should not get emoji [TS]

  flags i believe i had a rock-solid [TS]

  unmovable arguments about how the new [TS]

  flags regenerated I think that's that my [TS]

  memory of how it went [TS]

  basically anything American or that you [TS]

  fancy yeah i think that might have been [TS]

  another conclusion that we came to I [TS]

  wondered aloud in that episode of [TS]

  Vatican City had a flag and the answer [TS]

  is yes Vatican City does have a flag or [TS]

  really did someone get back to you on [TS]

  that day I only got a thousand messages [TS]

  about i think every resident of Vatican [TS]

  City must have said something about it [TS]

  because i got at least that many emails [TS]

  yeah there's one from the Pope right [TS]

  listen and let us know i use the vatican [TS]

  city or do flag every day at the team [TS]

  the third yeah of course yes there was a [TS]

  lot of feedback about that but what I [TS]

  really like is a couple people pointed [TS]

  out some of the more unusual flags that [TS]

  are already in there so these include [TS]

  places like western sahara which is sort [TS]

  of ambiguous but not really a country [TS]

  has a flag the I don't know how to [TS]

  pronounce I think it's √•land islands [TS]

  has a flag french polynesia has a flag [TS]

  the british indian ocean territory has a [TS]

  flag this bunch of just funny places [TS]

  like Greenland and Kirk cow Kirko I [TS]

  never have to say it even though I said [TS]

  in a video once so they're already a [TS]

  bunch of places that are sort of semi [TS]

  sovereign independent places like [TS]

  gibraltar like guernsey like Jersey like [TS]

  the Isle of Man so there's already in [TS]

  this list of country flags in the emoji [TS]

  standard there's just a ton of weirdness [TS]

  already and I just I thought that was [TS]

  interesting the Isle of Man has a emoji [TS]

  and Scotland doesn't that's correct that [TS]

  is nuts right isn't it all i can think [TS]

  of is how did someone sit down and make [TS]

  this letter like I love man [TS]

  yes Frank gibraltar yes Scotland [TS]

  no no Scotland perfect that like what is [TS]

  the reasoning for this also i thought [TS]

  you might enjoy [TS]

  have you seen the nopal emoji there we [TS]

  go hunt know that had bit of a problem [TS]

  with the Department every night to [TS]

  describe what has gone wrong with the [TS]

  nopal emerging obviously the proposed [TS]

  not a rectangular flag is these two sort [TS]

  of triangle stacked on top of each other [TS]

  but what they're basically done for the [TS]

  emojis had an all white rectangular flag [TS]

  and then just put the pole triangles off [TS]

  to the left hand side so it looks like [TS]

  it's the triangle set on a white [TS]

  background [TS]

  yeah that is a bit of a disaster and the [TS]

  thing that I find strange about that is [TS]

  it's not as though emojis are required [TS]

  to be rectangular right now Jesus come [TS]

  in all kinds of crazy shapes but for [TS]

  some reason to Paul when they have to [TS]

  put a little white background on it like [TS]

  oh no this is terrible you know there's [TS]

  gonna be a technical reason great old [TS]

  Flags have to be standardized and you're [TS]

  gonna have like a nerd ever let your [TS]

  people explaining why now there is no [TS]

  reason why they have to be standardized [TS]

  I've no but I bet there's a raising the [TS]

  flags do for some reason it's been [TS]

  decided all the flags must be the same [TS]

  shape for some silly reason look like [TS]

  all software stuff some human made it [TS]

  this way you could make it a different [TS]

  way you can have the nopal one just be a [TS]

  special one right [TS]

  they have the bizarre like businessman [TS]

  floating over a whole shape emoji which [TS]

  I don't understand at all like I don't [TS]

  get that one if they can do that than [TS]

  appalled one it can just be the two [TS]

  triangles [TS]

  yeah but there was some reason that I [TS]

  said flags are going to be rectangular [TS]

  because they're in some subset that [TS]

  native standardized to be compatible [TS]

  with some other thing I'm very confident [TS]

  that there is no reason for this and if [TS]

  there is a reason [TS]

  please let breeding now is the [TS]

  switzerland flag more square or is that [TS]

  sort of rectangular as well because [TS]

  obviously switzerland has that much more [TS]

  square flag and others [TS]

  let's see it's a little flag emoji least [TS]

  with the little flag emoji is also [TS]

  rectangular phone say this is playing [TS]

  into my belief that I've decided to [TS]

  rectangular eyes [TS]

  no although national flags for some [TS]

  reason that I don't get me wrong you [TS]

  know how much I love the Napoleon I'm [TS]

  outraged nothing like silly i'm just [TS]

  saying there'll be some stupid reason I [TS]

  think it's laziness that's probably [TS]

  where is laziness of the reason well I [TS]

  sure sure might be a better one that [TS]

  might be right [TS]

  alright so we had an email from a [TS]

  listener know named Caleb who write all [TS]

  sorts of things that i won't go into but [TS]

  some of them are quite interesting [TS]

  actually now that I'm reading a backup [TS]

  forgotten half of these things what are [TS]

  you doing here is your listeners you're [TS]

  teasing me over you're going through [TS]

  this email that what you're now going to [TS]

  pick out the least interesting of the [TS]

  things dimension as you go [TS]

  it's a very proprietary email which I [TS]

  find quite funny because so many hello [TS]

  listeners a sort of a big gray vans so [TS]

  he actually says if you're keeping track [TS]

  I was a brady fan first periodic videos [TS]

  is the first channel i subscribe to my [TS]

  wife is a fan too [TS]

  she loves objectivity she also wants you [TS]

  to know she has a crush on you [TS]

  this seems very likely to get cut from [TS]

  the podcast yeah probably i'm making it [TS]

  up so the thing that's really [TS]

  interesting that Caleb says is i did a [TS]

  small experiment in listening and I [TS]

  listened [TS]

  this is to hello Internet my recent in [TS]

  reverse chronological order it is kind [TS]

  of funny how often follow up was the big [TS]

  conversation about something that and [TS]

  earlier episodes has only been brought [TS]

  up in passing it actually worked well [TS]

  the only problem is that i finally made [TS]

  it through the archive and I think this [TS]

  raises an interesting question because [TS]

  you know you get these people that say [TS]

  you should watch that star wars films in [TS]

  different orders and that sort of thing [TS]

  and they even have names to these orders [TS]

  machete order [TS]

  yeah could we have the Caleb ordering of [TS]

  listening to hello internet which is [TS]

  listening in reverse chronological order [TS]

  and I wonder what the pros and cons of [TS]

  listening to a podcast in Reverse are [TS]

  and what your thoughts are on that I [TS]

  don't know it depends a lot on the [TS]

  podcast [TS]

  what do you do when you get into a new [TS]

  podcast you think this looks good [TS]

  will you tend to pick it up from where [TS]

  they're at will you go to the start will [TS]

  you ever go backwards will you just pick [TS]

  and choose based on topics when you go [TS]

  into a new podcast it's been around for [TS]

  awhile whats your immersion strategy [TS]

  ok so i generally listen to podcasts in [TS]

  chronological order so if I find [TS]

  something that I [TS]

  think I might like I will go back and i [TS]

  will download the whole of the archive [TS]

  and I will listen in chronological order [TS]

  and I always feel like that's the best [TS]

  way to do it like that feels like the [TS]

  best way to experience it because if you [TS]

  doing it in reverse chronological order [TS]

  like I have done this with some shows [TS]

  and I just think it ends up in this [TS]

  weird state whereas you're listening to [TS]

  new episodes as they come out but then [TS]

  you're also listening to old episodes so [TS]

  you are a time traveler who is both [TS]

  going forward and backward in time that [TS]

  just sounds awesome [TS]

  no it's it's confusing it's jarring it's [TS]

  no good in my podcast player which is [TS]

  i'm currently using overcast but you can [TS]

  do this in a bunch of different podcast [TS]

  apps I have all of my podcast ordered [TS]

  oldest to newest by podcast so when i [TS]

  open up my podcast player I'm always [TS]

  seeing the oldest episodes and then I am [TS]

  working my way through my podcasts that [TS]

  way and there's a bunch of reasons why i [TS]

  like to do this but i think that is the [TS]

  best way to see how it changes and to [TS]

  understand how the podcast is later on I [TS]

  mean the disadvantages very often [TS]

  podcasts kind of start off in the [TS]

  beginning a little bit different than [TS]

  they end up towards the end but i think [TS]

  all the nuances is clearly the way to go [TS]

  but what about you [TS]

  that's disappointingly boring of you [TS]

  great how thought maybe you would have [TS]

  some twist on it not just like when we [TS]

  go to the store and then follow through [TS]

  to the end I mean of course that's the [TS]

  logical way to do it but what you want [TS]

  me to suggest you think I'm gonna do [TS]

  random order I think you should listen [TS]

  in completely random order so that [TS]

  nothing in the universe makes sense well [TS]

  in some ways that's what i do on course [TS]

  yeah right okay uh-huh if there's a new [TS]

  one a new podcast cause of most podcast [TS]

  do get better over time said to going [TS]

  straight back to the start you might [TS]

  have to wade through some tree call [TS]

  before they find their faith but also if [TS]

  I find a new 1i listen to the most [TS]

  recent episode because that basically [TS]

  puts a marker in the sand that says is [TS]

  this good or not and is the leadership [TS]

  brighter is the future gloomy and if it [TS]

  is good i would tend to look at the back [TS]

  catalogue and just cherry-pick the [TS]

  titles that I think look like they'll be [TS]

  about things that interest me [TS]

  because I'm very aware that if you [TS]

  listen to our episodes are we talking [TS]

  about things that are no longer in the [TS]

  news their opinions may have changed on [TS]

  things and I couldn't getting riled up [TS]

  by things that are no longer relevant [TS]

  so I tend to just go back and look at [TS]

  the ones that are all that's that's [TS]

  really going to be in my sweets but all [TS]

  the plane crash episode i listen to that [TS]

  one right and ignore lots of the back [TS]

  catalog so cherry pick from the past and [TS]

  pick up from where they're at the moment [TS]

  tends to be my philosophy but see here's [TS]

  why I really like doing all kinds of [TS]

  media in terms of oldest to newest I [TS]

  think there's a lot of advantages and [TS]

  going oldest to newest and I do the same [TS]

  thing like when I save articles to read [TS]

  like a compressive button on my web [TS]

  browser and save them into an app to [TS]

  read later i also have those kinds of [TS]

  things open up oldest to newest because [TS]

  i find that time acts as a kind of [TS]

  attention filter so if I'm always [TS]

  listening to stuff kind of behind the [TS]

  actual current time or I'm reading [TS]

  articles that past me saved several [TS]

  weeks ago instead of what passed me [TS]

  saved minutes ago [TS]

  it acts as a kind of filter like do I [TS]

  actually care about this thing anymore [TS]

  and so very often like when a podcast [TS]

  will come up [TS]

  I feel like oh great this podcast is [TS]

  talking about things that are totally [TS]

  not relevant to me anymore i can just [TS]

  delete and I feel like great I got an [TS]

  hour of my life back because this thing [TS]

  would have mattered when I would have [TS]

  listened to it but it doesn't matter now [TS]

  that i'm listening you know weeks behind [TS]

  and I feel like it's an excellent way to [TS]

  have a bit of perspective on what [TS]

  matters are or what doesn't matter like [TS]

  with articles as well it's really easy [TS]

  to save a bunch of articles to read [TS]

  later that you realize later I don't [TS]

  really care i only just carried in the [TS]

  moment and so you're acting as a kind of [TS]

  chronological attention filter for the [TS]

  media that you consume is the same [TS]

  reason why do this with like movies to [TS]

  watch and books to read like I put them [TS]

  all on a list and you let future you see [TS]

  what still matters or what is still [TS]

  relevant [TS]

  that sounds like you're describing my [TS]

  method more than your method where you [TS]

  pick up from where it's at now but you [TS]

  look at the past and cherry-pick the [TS]

  things that are worthy of your attention [TS]

  rather than listening to everything [TS]

  you're advocating what I said know what [TS]

  you said no but I don't just go through [TS]

  the back catalogue and select randomly i [TS]

  will say like download absolutely [TS]

  everything and then I just delete as I'm [TS]

  going through right if something isn't [TS]

  relevant to the current well that's [TS]

  that's just semantics i mean it's just a [TS]

  mechanism i mean i'm looking at the [TS]

  whole back catalogue em I'm may not have [TS]

  put them onto my player i'm just looking [TS]

  at the fade and then I'm just deleting [TS]

  in my mind anti-lock I'm not gonna [TS]

  listen to that one that's not where they [TS]

  look at the place where you can come [TS]

  unstuck with your strategy and maybe it [TS]

  doesn't matter because you wouldn't [TS]

  listen to this sort of podcast anyway [TS]

  it's because you live in your bubble you [TS]

  might not know what's relevant or not [TS]

  and if i can give you an example [TS]

  okay huh there's a podcast i quite like [TS]

  at the moment it's the BBC politics one [TS]

  with this guy called John pain is really [TS]

  good and every Sunday he does interview [TS]

  so I download up and a week or so ago [TS]

  his sunday show was about the battle for [TS]

  the prime ministership of Britain around [TS]

  the two women who had come down to this [TS]

  face-off and now we're previewing the [TS]

  candidates and talking about it and I [TS]

  downloaded it and thought that's going [TS]

  to be a nice listen tomorrow and of [TS]

  course the next day one of those [TS]

  candidates dropped out and Theresa May [TS]

  became prime minister now if i lived in [TS]

  the gray bubble and didn't know that I [TS]

  could have settled in with my pipe and [TS]

  much smoking jacket and set on the sofa [TS]

  and thought this is gonna be a nice [TS]

  listen I would spend an hour and a half [TS]

  listening to this great setup of this [TS]

  great contest that was about to happen [TS]

  and then I would have thought I can't [TS]

  wait to find out who wins and then I'll [TS]

  found out a little finish to cut the [TS]

  days before and I would feel like all [TS]

  that was a waste of my time that preview [TS]

  of that battle didn't even happen it [TS]

  would be like watching a two-hour [TS]

  preview of a big football match that [TS]

  then gets cancelled [TS]

  you can never understand the way even [TS]

  phrase things two things here first of [TS]

  all you always imagine that I'm just [TS]

  totally isolated from the outside world [TS]

  one hundred percent since it was very [TS]

  likely that you would know that a prime [TS]

  minister has been elected it's the same [TS]

  way when I'm going through stuff oldest [TS]

  to newest I am dimly aware of events [TS]

  that have occurred in the world which is [TS]

  the very reason I'm able to select what [TS]

  it is that I do or do not want to listen [TS]

  to and secondly if you did settle town [TS]

  with your pipe to listen to this [TS]

  excellent excellent preview of the Prime [TS]

  Minister battle that was coming up when [TS]

  it was over wouldn't be in [TS]

  terribly satisfying to say I wonder who [TS]

  won this battle but then you would [TS]

  immediately get to know the answer it's [TS]

  like binge watching TV i have actually [TS]

  done that on occasion with stuff why I [TS]

  know an event has occurred but I'm [TS]

  listening to people discuss an event [TS]

  beforehand sort of listen I think I'm [TS]

  gonna sit here and try to make a [TS]

  prediction about what will occur and was [TS]

  fantastic as i get to know if I'm right [TS]

  instantly don't get me wrong right in [TS]

  response to your response [TS]

  first of all i don't think i [TS]

  underestimate how out-of-touch you are [TS]

  you never cease to amaze me with new [TS]

  stories you haven't heard of it's never [TS]

  okay that's another argument that is [TS]

  another argument about it still never [TS]

  ceases to amaze me [TS]

  and second of all there's nothing wrong [TS]

  with living your life with a little bit [TS]

  of a time offset i don't think i do it [TS]

  quite as dramatically as you but I do it [TS]

  sometimes I think it's hugely beneficial [TS]

  yeah and I do if I not shopping on a [TS]

  Sunday because that i will often record [TS]

  the ground pray that day and avoid all [TS]

  social media so I don't know the result [TS]

  and last night I will watch the race and [TS]

  I'm five or six hours behind the rest of [TS]

  the world but i'm getting just as much [TS]

  excitement from watching it five or six [TS]

  hours later so you there's nothing wrong [TS]

  with the time officer and in many ways i [TS]

  see that's what you do in your life in a [TS]

  lot of ways you you offset time and [TS]

  that's fine [TS]

  the problem with this politics situation [TS]

  is you'd be doing a time offset and they [TS]

  did nothing wrong with hearing about the [TS]

  contest and then finding out what [TS]

  happened later with the contest but if [TS]

  the contest gets cancelled altogether [TS]

  there is a little bit of a robbery that [TS]

  happened because they'll be talking [TS]

  about things that they think will happen [TS]

  over the next six weeks em and they [TS]

  could tell you and then they're going to [TS]

  be doing this in two weeks time and [TS]

  they're going to be having a debate in [TS]

  the community hole in three weeks time [TS]

  and i think when that debate comes that [TS]

  you know and if none of that stuff even [TS]

  happens I do think you have sunk a [TS]

  little bit of time into something you [TS]

  probably shouldn't have [TS]

  so there is value to be gained from [TS]

  thinking huh that's what everyone [TS]

  thought would happen and not have it [TS]

  happened isn't that interesting but put [TS]

  it this way i didn't listen to it [TS]

  because I thought it would be a waste of [TS]

  my time but it right and greatly save [TS]

  yourself an hour of your life [TS]

  I mean this is you know when i started [TS]

  doing this little I mean a long time ago [TS]

  now i used to listen to more political [TS]

  shows that i currently do i mean i don't [TS]

  think i have anything that could be even [TS]

  described as a political show on my [TS]

  subscriptions anymore I know but of [TS]

  course shows sometimes touch on politics [TS]

  because it's unavoidable but it was [TS]

  precisely this time offset that made me [TS]

  realize like why am I even listening to [TS]

  these political shows anyway it's almost [TS]

  always stuff that totally doesn't matter [TS]

  in a week if I wait a week to listen to [TS]

  it and then it has no impact on anything [TS]

  well why am i listening to it the moment [TS]

  that it comes out there's not really any [TS]

  benefit there so I'm feeling a extra [TS]

  intense about this because i was just [TS]

  talking to a friend of mine who I was [TS]

  trying to talk out of for a while paying [TS]

  attention to the news and he did do my [TS]

  like read newspapers a week later [TS]

  experiment was like oh yeah like [TS]

  introducing this time delay makes it [TS]

  really obvious that none of this stuff [TS]

  actually matters and so I feel like [TS]

  everybody should have a little bit of a [TS]

  time delay with everything that they're [TS]

  doing because time axis and excellent [TS]

  filter of what are you going to be [TS]

  interested in long-term not just what do [TS]

  you think you're interested in [TS]

  immediately [TS]

  well yeah where does that end I mean [TS]

  nothing matters in the long term doesn't [TS]

  we're all gonna be dead in 60 or 70 [TS]

  years we might as well just stop it [TS]

  doing anything [TS]

  excellent extrapolation breeding him [TS]

  possibly disagree [TS]

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  of course there's a British paper cut my [TS]

  paper cut is everyone trying to solve my [TS]

  problems online now I've discussed this [TS]

  before in the context of relationships [TS]

  gonna go [TS]

  it can happen both ways but i think from [TS]

  what I've heard and what I've [TS]

  experienced and what i've read mail was [TS]

  a more guilty of this than females but [TS]

  everyone does it and that is when [TS]

  someone complains or has a problem right [TS]

  they don't necessarily want you to try [TS]

  and solve it sometimes they just want [TS]

  some sympathy or they want to vent and [TS]

  trying to solve it is not what you [TS]

  should do disagree you what I'm sorry [TS]

  it's true if your wife come home from [TS]

  work and had a difficult day and it's [TS]

  been so difficult i had a really tough [TS]

  day today they don't necessarily want [TS]

  you to say we should have done this for [TS]

  tomorrow you should do this sometimes [TS]

  they just want and I'm around the [TS]

  shoulder or a sympathetic word saying [TS]

  well that sounds tough [TS]

  good on you for getting through it let's [TS]

  have dinner and I think the same is true [TS]

  on social media if I'm sometimes griping [TS]

  about something that annoys me [TS]

  for example the twitter app and I'm [TS]

  saying not so annoying twitter i don't [TS]

  want a huge big long list of all the [TS]

  other different apps i should use or the [TS]

  different things i should do or we told [TS]

  our that's a crap you shouldn't be using [TS]

  anyway sometimes I just want people to [TS]

  either say yeah sucks doesn't it or just [TS]

  say you know don't worry that was a [TS]

  funny joke you made at their expense [TS]

  anyway good on you [TS]

  that's also drawn I don't want to be [TS]

  told all the things i'm doing wrong and [TS]

  all the things i should change just put [TS]

  your arm around my shoulder and say yeah [TS]

  I here [TS]

  man you don't have to solve problems [TS]

  why do you want to wallow in your own [TS]

  problems and not receive solutions [TS]

  because that's human just like that [TS]

  sometimes sometimes I don't want to [TS]

  solve the problem they just want to grow [TS]

  if someone has a solution [TS]

  don't you want to hear the solution no [TS]

  not necessarily [TS]

  well now you know that because usually a [TS]

  solution implies that i'm doing [TS]

  something wrong and if i'm feeling [TS]

  pissed off [TS]

  you're just gonna piss me off even more [TS]

  by telling me I'm doing something wrong [TS]

  just tell me you're on my side [TS]

  don't like but what if you are doing [TS]

  something wrong if you and I great if [TS]

  you and I played football together okay [TS]

  and I was the goalkeeper for the team [TS]

  and we made the world cup final okay and [TS]

  right at the end of the world cup final [TS]

  I jumped the wrong way and let in a girl [TS]

  and we lost the world cup final at the [TS]

  end of the game when i'm in tears in [TS]

  front of a hundred thousand people in [TS]

  the stadium I would not want you to come [TS]

  up to me and say Brady if we make the [TS]

  world cup finals again in four years and [TS]

  that happens next time jump to the left [TS]

  it was obviously shirts comparison ever [TS]

  because there's no because there's no [TS]

  solution for that [TS]

  that's a situation where is there a [TS]

  solution that could be offered no [TS]

  there's no solution at all it's like out [TS]

  you just lost us the big game [TS]

  I'm sorry buddy right I'll put my arm [TS]

  around you but if you're like oh I have [TS]

  a problem with the twitter client I [TS]

  don't like this thing about it and [TS]

  somebody says oh there's a different [TS]

  twitter client that does things [TS]

  differently that's a solution what [TS]

  you're saying here is a bit like it like [TS]

  someone's talking about like a death in [TS]

  the family and someone's like well you [TS]

  know if we invented anti-death [TS]

  technology right then this wouldn't be a [TS]

  problem is like now this is not even [TS]

  remotely comparable you're giving an [TS]

  analogy for which there is no solution i [TS]

  would not offer a solution for like you [TS]

  should have jumped the other way [TS]

  that's just what is it like Monday [TS]

  morning quarterbacking if we had a time [TS]

  machine and could go back in time things [TS]

  could have been different [TS]

  that kind of stuff is just obnoxious [TS]

  because at the end of the game they [TS]

  would be value in you telling me if that [TS]

  happens again in the future game Brady [TS]

  you should jump to the left or you know [TS]

  learn from experience in the heat of the [TS]

  moment and in three or four weeks after [TS]

  the football game there would be value [TS]

  and is watching the video together and [TS]

  saying now Brady if you're goalkeeping [TS]

  again and that same player does that [TS]

  thing now you know what to do but in the [TS]

  heat of the moment when passions are [TS]

  high that is not the time [TS]

  the solutions this is the time for [TS]

  sympathy and a consulting arm and it's [TS]

  the same on twitter if I'm venting on [TS]

  Twitter and making a joke or saying [TS]

  something angry I just want my friends [TS]

  to kind of agree with me and agree that [TS]

  things are crap I don't want them to be [TS]

  with their arms crossed in there serious [TS]

  cgpgrey voice telling me will in fact [TS]

  there is a solution to that problem with [TS]

  your venting about I just let the steam [TS]

  rise and that the passions guy and then [TS]

  later on I'll probably find the solution [TS]

  myself i'm just venting [TS]

  I don't want you all telling me stuff [TS]

  like that I'm sorry and if i'm wrong [TS]

  okay but then why are there like [TS]

  thousands of books and bits of advice [TS]

  along these lines to about like you know [TS]

  relationships and stuff saying when one [TS]

  person's like you know upset and venting [TS]

  about their problems it doesn't mean [TS]

  they want you to sit there and solve [TS]

  them [TS]

  this is like a known thing but we're not [TS]

  married that doesn't matter you know [TS]

  we're not we're not married right this [TS]

  doesn't matter right so the cyst in the [TS]

  big book of why brady and gray cannot be [TS]

  shipped together right this would be [TS]

  another one of these examples of like [TS]

  Brady comes home and just wants to talk [TS]

  about his feelings and once no solutions [TS]

  to easily solvable problems and gray has [TS]

  no patience for this whatsoever [TS]

  I don't get me wrong great i'm guilty of [TS]

  this I am guilty of this when people are [TS]

  upset i'm also mr. know-it-all saying [TS]

  well you should have done this or next [TS]

  time you should do that or you could fix [TS]

  that but I do it but the minute i do I [TS]

  realize that some mistake [TS]

  pepperidge it you in any way yeah that's [TS]

  what that's what we do and that's [TS]

  certainly what everyone who follows me [TS]

  on Twitter does everything the closest I [TS]

  can get to sympathizing with this is if [TS]

  I complaint on the podcast about [TS]

  something or if I complain on twitter [TS]

  about something [TS]

  people often offer solutions but where I [TS]

  get annoyed at is when someone solution [TS]

  is no good right when their solution [TS]

  doesn't work and usually it's because [TS]

  you have not adequately understood the [TS]

  problem domain solution offer that you [TS]

  are just giving me a thing that doesn't [TS]

  actually make stuff better [TS]

  it's just an alternative this is not [TS]

  actually a solution and that's where I [TS]

  get annoyed just feels like you don't [TS]

  understand the problem if I want a [TS]

  solution i will make it clear that i [TS]

  want a solution if I'm just trying to be [TS]

  a wise ass and making jokes at [TS]

  which is expense okay just go with me [TS]

  you keep flipping around a couple of [TS]

  things here which is your joking on [TS]

  Twitter or like you're complaining about [TS]

  a thing that has a solution loser to [TS]

  again totally different social scenarios [TS]

  right i think so you don't think so i [TS]

  think if something is pissing me off [TS]

  like you know I'm saying I've got a sore [TS]

  hand because of the way i'm holding the [TS]

  iphone i can make some joke as my way of [TS]

  venting my frustration or i could say [TS]

  has anyone got any suggested alternative [TS]

  ways to hold an iphone because my hands [TS]

  hurting there are two different ways of [TS]

  dealing with problems sometimes you put [TS]

  the call out for help [TS]

  sometimes you say this is pissing me off [TS]

  I'm just gonna take a swipe at them [TS]

  because that's what we do these days [TS]

  look if people have adequate solutions [TS]

  they should offer them this is clearly [TS]

  the better path in society just sitting [TS]

  around everybody feeling sorry for [TS]

  everybody else it gets you nowhere [TS]

  disagree but you are alright well I'm i [TS]

  guess i'm suffering from expert ake [TS]

  because everyone's an expert and I have [TS]

  you know another hundreds and hundreds [TS]

  of them sharing their expertise with [TS]

  milk i can only handle so much expertise [TS]

  which one solution don't you this is [TS]

  what i don't understand I don't [TS]

  understand this part not always and look [TS]

  this is behavior that you can train [TS]

  people out of four why do you think I'm [TS]

  talking about it [TS]

  no I'm that you can train people out of [TS]

  the behavior where all they're doing is [TS]

  complaining because they want a bunch of [TS]

  sympathy from other people just shower [TS]

  me with sympathy so that I feel better [TS]

  in my own wallowing like now you can [TS]

  train people out of this if this is the [TS]

  thing that you can do you can learn to [TS]

  stop doing this and I think you're [TS]

  better off if you stop doing that right [TS]

  just complaining to get sympathy from [TS]

  other people [TS]

  it's not a good personality trait well [TS]

  when you say it like that it sounds very [TS]

  bad yet because that's what it is that's [TS]

  but let me phrase it another way it's [TS]

  turning to my fellow men and women for [TS]

  comfort in times of made until 50 yeah [TS]

  oh my god alright but again there's like [TS]

  a whole range of scenarios here right [TS]

  we'll put like death in the family of [TS]

  turning to humankind for comfort and [TS]

  need to on the other side complaining [TS]

  about stuff that is potentially fixable [TS]

  at the other end right and I just think [TS]

  so many people like to complain about [TS]

  stuff that's potentially fixable [TS]

  I mean the classic example of this is [TS]

  someone comes home and they start [TS]

  complaining about a bunch of stuff [TS]

  related to their job right this is like [TS]

  the standard scenario and and the answer [TS]

  in that is ok well let's talk about this [TS]

  let's come up with solutions like are [TS]

  there things that you can do differently [TS]

  at your job or enjoy your job [TS]

  this is where it is good that you are [TS]

  matched with your wife because you are [TS]

  wrong about that you have wrong you are [TS]

  wrong that you should always sit down [TS]

  when someone is complaining and say [TS]

  let's talk this through [TS]

  I know for a fact that i'm not wrong on [TS]

  this but I just agree with you and I [TS]

  also disagree with some of the analogies [TS]

  your drawing for a change to with deaths [TS]

  in the family but it's not really [TS]

  something we could wait into we could [TS]

  totally weight into it look just to make [TS]

  it simple like I know like teenage much [TS]

  younger me used to have this thing that [TS]

  everybody is where like you complain [TS]

  about a thing and then you're like [TS]

  you're wanting people to express [TS]

  sympathy with you right like I used to [TS]

  do this when I was a kid but then you [TS]

  can train yourself out of this behavior [TS]

  right nothing useful is happening to you [TS]

  nothing useful is happening to the [TS]

  people that you're talking to like you [TS]

  can learn not to do this degree I don't [TS]

  great if I say man Twitter's crap and I [TS]

  make some funny joke and everyone's like [TS]

  yeah Barry you made a funny joke anyway [TS]

  great was crap i feel better stop right [TS]

  there [TS]

  humor is a thing that is valuable in and [TS]

  of itself if you are complaining about a [TS]

  thing in such a way that other people [TS]

  are laughing and it's a funny story that [TS]

  is valuable but you're moving the [TS]

  goalposts here this was my original goal [TS]

  posts [TS]

  how was your original goal okay okay [TS]

  yeah well I wasn't saying [TS]

  twitter is really poor and causing me [TS]

  some frustration today most and then [TS]

  being upset by people saying alternative [TS]

  to twitter i was making like a wiseass [TS]

  comment about the twitter app about [TS]

  something about I didn't like i was [TS]

  making like a joke about it okay and [TS]

  then everyone's like water use you know [TS]

  use this button use this news tweet ball [TS]

  use this and you've got this setting [TS]

  I'm not our man I was just making a joke [TS]

  their crap yeah I don't know that i'm [TS]

  using the wrong app now I understand [TS]

  clearly everybody when Brady makes jokes [TS]

  on Twitter just laugh at his jokes [TS]

  that's all he wants [TS]

  the goalie big Normie or unfollow me or [TS]

  mute me but don't give me tech support [TS]

  if I want tech support I'll ask for it [TS]

  actually won't take support alko gray [TS]

  got there I know it's gonna happen [TS]

  they're really i am the tech support for [TS]

  a bunch of youtubers and that's fine [TS]

  now you've been going to ground too much [TS]

  like you're impossible to get your worse [TS]

  than usual at the moment [TS]

  what do you mean I'm always reachable as [TS]

  I ever have been [TS]

  I think you've been a bit less reachable [TS]

  lightly I don't agree with them [TS]

  ok maybe i'm wrong i think you're wrong [TS]

  so as you know the olympic games are [TS]

  about to start shortly [TS]

  do you know where they're being held no [TS]

  right there bring him a couple of weeks [TS]

  in rio I literally did not know that [TS]

  it's okay it's okay to be honest I've [TS]

  been about less excited by these [TS]

  olympics i haven't been getting as hyped [TS]

  by them as I normally would [TS]

  oh yeah you normally get super excited [TS]

  for the Olympics I wouldn't say I get [TS]

  super excited by them but I'm not [TS]

  looking forward to them that much but [TS]

  hopefully that changes and so obviously [TS]

  normally I wouldn't have much to talk [TS]

  about with you about the Olympics but [TS]

  there was a story that caught my eye a [TS]

  couple of days ago that I thought even [TS]

  you made slightly raised one eyebrow to [TS]

  him [TS]

  I think it's a bit of a publicity stunt [TS]

  but i still think it's awesome the [TS]

  people from the charity [TS]

  english heritage here in the UK have [TS]

  started a petition calling for the [TS]

  re-introduction or not the [TS]

  reintroduction i think the first time [TS]

  introduction to the Olympics for the [TS]

  sport of ousting who can you imagine [TS]

  jesting at the Olympics I think even you [TS]

  would watch that [TS]

  yeah I'd watch that at least once but [TS]

  that's that big so I haven't actually [TS]

  looked at the petition yet but this sort [TS]

  of arguing that Justin requires a lot of [TS]

  skill and strength and things like that [TS]

  and i find that hard to argue with I [TS]

  think Justin must be pretty difficult [TS]

  sport to be good at and i think i'd be [TS]

  up for i think i'm willing to [TS]

  potentially pending further [TS]

  investigation particularly regarding the [TS]

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  consideration of justic [TS]

  I was just quickly trying to pull this [TS]

  up here and of course you know when you [TS]

  google for Olympic Games jousting [TS]

  there's all kinds of pictures of people [TS]

  on horseback in armor in front of [TS]

  castles I feel like yes correct we meet [TS]

  more there it looks amazing it would [TS]

  definitely be a condition of my support [TS]

  that the Justice war metal armor and not [TS]

  some rubber modern suits with helmets [TS]

  that have to be wearing our school [TS]

  jousting outfit I don't want the nike [TS]

  rubber jousting suit one hundred percent [TS]

  agree go metal or go home right I don't [TS]

  feel like we've made a super safe just [TS]

  assume not interested in her and not to [TS]

  use like virtual cyber polls casting [TS]

  sticks or anything has to be hosting [TS]

  stick that thing is unlikely that the [TS]

  name of them the whole thing that makes [TS]

  this exciting is it seems stupidly [TS]

  dangerous right [TS]

  yeah there's all kinds of dumb sports in [TS]

  the Olympics that people bring up all [TS]

  the time I don't see why Justin couldn't [TS]

  be part of this i mean if you or someone [TS]

  else now I would get into a conversation [TS]

  with you about golf in the Olympics [TS]

  which has been the big controversy is [TS]

  golf Olympics the Gulf is in this [TS]

  olympics now [TS]

  thumbs down yeah well it's causing a lot [TS]

  of problems actually is this new this [TS]

  year [TS]

  yes I totally disagree with and the [TS]

  problem is all the good players are [TS]

  pulling out partly because of the Zika [TS]

  virus which is this problem and rio at [TS]

  the moment but it also is just basically [TS]

  betraying how unserious Lee they're [TS]

  taking it and the introduction of golf [TS]

  into the olympics i think was a very [TS]

  cynical moved by the international [TS]

  olympic committee and it's just turning [TS]

  into a bit of a debacle I would much [TS]

  rather watch jousting than golf at the [TS]

  Olympics [TS]

  why is it a cynical move is just get the [TS]

  Gulf eyeballs on to the Olympics is that [TS]

  the world idea particularly in Asia [TS]

  because in Asia golf has a huge [TS]

  following and in Asia is a bit less [TS]

  engagement with the other pics then in [TS]

  some other parts of the world so I think [TS]

  they thought if we get golf in there [TS]

  that will increase people's interest and [TS]

  also just golf as a sport attracts huge [TS]

  corporate sponsorship in general so I [TS]

  think they're thinking if we've got golf [TS]

  at the Olympics you know we'll have more [TS]

  big corporate deals and better sponsors [TS]

  and things like that so I mean I guess [TS]

  golf is the sport of the corporate world [TS]

  of course yeah exactly but it doesn't [TS]

  mean it has to be in the Olympics and I [TS]

  think that Ben [TS]

  showing up now because the players don't [TS]

  care but you know the players have the [TS]

  four tournaments they really want to win [TS]

  every year moving pictures and one of [TS]

  them so they're quite happy to pull out [TS]

  and you know they're citing this Zika [TS]

  virus concern which is fair enough but [TS]

  it's not hitting other sports in the [TS]

  same way so just sounds really boring i [TS]

  mean that's my own personal bias against [TS]

  golf is it's it's really dull not [TS]

  yes good golf tournaments don't get me [TS]

  wrong I like watching a good major if [TS]

  there was any sport that was present in [TS]

  the house when I was growing up it was [TS]

  golf on TV by my father and I always [TS]

  thought this is incredibly boring does [TS]

  your dead leg off [TS]

  yeah he does play golf I'm not sure how [TS]

  much you please currently but at least [TS]

  when I was in high school my dad played [TS]

  golf pretty regularly and I was out on [TS]

  the court a couple of times [TS]

  the court is that not just realize about [TS]

  nothing right way to describe your cool [TS]

  and of course as you might expect the [TS]

  best part of playing golf was driving [TS]

  the golf cart for me that was the super [TS]

  fun part and those things can really [TS]

  move with the floor it and oh yeah [TS]

  there's my fondest memories of being out [TS]

  on the golf course is riding in the [TS]

  electric golf cart [TS]

  what other kind of terminology and I you [TS]

  have the the wooden clubs and you have [TS]

  the iron clubs [TS]

  yeah kinda I mean kind of theirs that [TS]

  you have the wooden clubs in the iron [TS]

  clubs you have woods and ions yeah but [TS]

  most of the time they're actually made [TS]

  of wood is cold words right but the wood [TS]

  clubs are for long-distance shots of [TS]

  remember irons are for the close shots [TS]

  because they have their steeper so you [TS]

  can do little fun upward trajectories [TS]

  yeah that's you unite ions and you're [TS]

  pitching wedges and sandwiches and right [TS]

  and there's been apart for the course [TS]

  when you get the expected number of [TS]

  strokes per hole [TS]

  what if you get one less than you should [TS]

  have gone for that how is that a birdie [TS]

  something yet is it really is [TS]

  yes what if you get one more than you [TS]

  should have got for that how I have no [TS]

  idea [TS]

  have I got nothin nothin bernie is the [TS]

  only only one I knew there that bogey [TS]

  bogey ok alright i feel like i should [TS]

  have known these things but I don't if [TS]

  you get to less than you should have got [TS]

  for the whole to less that's awesome [TS]

  what's better than a bird [TS]

  I have no idea i got another berry [TS]

  that's that's an eagle amigo ok [TS]

  oh yeah that sounds familiar so what if [TS]

  you get to worse and you should have got [TS]

  for a whole what's worse than a bogey [TS]

  penguin is a penguin rather boring [TS]

  that's just a double bogey double bogey [TS]

  out okay I bet you can guess what you [TS]

  get for three worse than how [TS]

  triple-bogey yeah you're learning fast [TS]

  man [TS]

  here we go what an exciting sport this [TS]

  golf is so so tell you what like I might [TS]

  know a lot about golf terminology and I [TS]

  know nothing about jesting terminology [TS]

  so that's that's next for me I couldn't [TS]

  knew anything about jesting that I know [TS]

  that they just it's a tilt yard is the [TS]

  word for where they're jamming sting and [TS]

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  well dr. heron yes how are you feeling [TS]

  today [TS]

  hmm do you feel knowledgeable do you [TS]

  feel worldly I'm feeling wise feeling [TS]

  very wise i'm feeling a steam it [TS]

  congratulations by the way [TS]

  congratulations on your honorary [TS]

  doctorates thank you very much [TS]

  it was a really really great day for [TS]

  those who don't know the University of [TS]

  Nottingham where I've done a lot of work [TS]

  for many years now awarded an honorary [TS]

  doctorate a few days ago as we're [TS]

  recording and it was at the graduation [TS]

  ceremony for the school of physics with [TS]

  all the physics and astronomy students [TS]

  who did real hard work and we're getting [TS]

  there richly deserved degrees and [TS]

  doctorates and things and also had to [TS]

  put up with a short speech about me and [TS]

  me getting an honorary doctorate at the [TS]

  University and got a certificate and I [TS]

  got to dress up in funny clothes and I [TS]

  got treated like a VIP and it was one of [TS]

  the best days ever and it was that I had [TS]

  a smile from ear to ear and it was just [TS]

  a few notches below wedding day in terms [TS]

  of just super super happy days [TS]

  that's fantastic i watched your speech [TS]

  online the video is available and in the [TS]

  show notes for anybody who wants to see [TS]

  it i think i did a very good job kept it [TS]

  nice and short [TS]

  nice and punching short is usually good [TS]

  you're just good at things that it's a [TS]

  funny thing that the day like I compared [TS]

  it to a wedding and it is like that it's [TS]

  one of those days where like there's [TS]

  lots of attention on you and there's [TS]

  lots of good will and everyone's just [TS]

  really happy for you and you're feeling [TS]

  a lot of love and that's really nice [TS]

  like it's a really great celebration but [TS]

  the thing that's funny about it is [TS]

  you're very aware that it's happening [TS]

  for like a hundred and fifty people at [TS]

  the same time [TS]

  in the same room and their families and [TS]

  friends are there and they're the center [TS]

  of their world and the person next to [TS]

  them has their family and friends there [TS]

  and as they come up in like that [TS]

  conveyor belt and they're having their [TS]

  names right out and they're shaking the [TS]

  hand of the vice-chancellor that's a [TS]

  really big moment in their life and for [TS]

  their family and it's all happening so [TS]

  much and so simultaneously it's a really [TS]

  difficult thing to get your head around [TS]

  and I tried to reflect some of that also [TS]

  what I said you know I realized that the [TS]

  day wasn't about me in many ways it [TS]

  wasn't about me because I just had an [TS]

  honorary doctor and these people had [TS]

  done the real deal and they were the [TS]

  real heroes of the day so I hope I [TS]

  reflected that in some way but it was a [TS]

  really great day for me and it was [TS]

  really great day 473 other people as [TS]

  well so how did it come about that you [TS]

  got an honorary doctorate like what is [TS]

  the process for selecting an honorary [TS]

  doctor [TS]

  well I don't entirely know who they give [TS]

  out some every year i don't know how [TS]

  many they give out i would guess in the [TS]

  range of that doesn't normally two [TS]

  people a lot more restrained than me [TS]

  that have done amazing things in [TS]

  business or whatever for umpteen many [TS]

  years suddenly it was really nice for [TS]

  them to give one to me names are [TS]

  submitted by people who I don't know why [TS]

  didn't I don't you know I I don't think [TS]

  about when i submitted discussions that [TS]

  had committees may the Center of the [TS]

  University then considers I imagine they [TS]

  considered recommendations and approved [TS]

  to them i don't know what gets [TS]

  disapproved but it all happened behind [TS]

  my back my wife was actually aware of it [TS]

  because they needed information about me [TS]

  to consider the application so it turns [TS]

  out professor merrifield at the [TS]

  University of Nottingham who I think had [TS]

  a bit to do with this contacted my wife [TS]

  to find out things about my past and [TS]

  history and work and things like that [TS]

  the doing background checks on you to [TS]

  make sure that they something terrible [TS]

  well maybe yeah there was some some of [TS]

  that so it all happened behind my back [TS]

  and I knew nothing about it whatsoever [TS]

  at all and then I got a letter from the [TS]

  vice-chancellor of the University a few [TS]

  months ago actually my wife was with me [TS]

  at the time like this university [TS]

  envelope came and more physical [TS]

  what's that we're going to work with and [TS]

  because obviously i do business with the [TS]

  university I was like are just be some [TS]

  boring letter about something financial [TS]

  I've got to do or something so i wasn't [TS]

  going to open and she said [TS]

  it opened at me so I opened it and it [TS]

  was this of course is lovely letter from [TS]

  the boss of the unique saying we're [TS]

  going to give you this honorary [TS]

  doctorate so I was over the moon and [TS]

  then obviously waited a few months and [TS]

  when did all the official ceremony stuff [TS]

  this week and it was great it's great [TS]

  they get that was a special VIP lunch [TS]

  beforehand and got to wear the robes and [TS]

  the silly Hatton walk down the aisle at [TS]

  all the fancy pompous music and national [TS]

  anthems and I loved all the formality of [TS]

  it and got my certificate and very cool [TS]

  doctor of letters is what I am I have to [TS]

  say the picture of you signing the [TS]

  certificate i guess that's what that is [TS]

  in front of you that you have on your [TS]

  blog which might be one of my favorite [TS]

  pictures if you ever somehow I don't [TS]

  know it just it just looks perfect here [TS]

  there's little fancy outfit you have a [TS]

  funny look on your face I really really [TS]

  like this photo of dr. Brady at the [TS]

  ceremony i think it's it's absolutely [TS]

  fantastic [TS]

  so you of course you don't have a doctor [TS]

  as far as i know you didn't reach that [TS]

  level did you know I i have not reached [TS]

  the heights that you have read spreading [TS]

  now so is there anything you'd like to [TS]

  ask me then that's probably the more [TS]

  pertinent question now that you know I [TS]

  can [TS]

  is there anything I can help you is a [TS]

  now I mean mostly mostly when I'm saying [TS]

  stuff i usually just want sympathy [TS]

  I don't want the kind of answer is that [TS]

  a learned man of letters might be able [TS]

  to Paris so I just like to throw stuff [TS]

  out there and I mean that's basically [TS]

  what I'm doing is I'm sympathizing with [TS]

  your your lower level of education is [TS]

  drew its i am a mirror a mirror peasant [TS]

  in your shadow now you can also do you [TS]

  think you could change the hello [TS]

  internet website to say it's presented [TS]

  by cgpgrey and dr. Brady Haran well i [TS]

  mean i think that is an interesting [TS]

  question because although I you know I [TS]

  don't want to dwell on this fact but i [TS]

  understand that there are some questions [TS]

  about whether or not [TS]

  honorary doctors can use the doctor [TS]

  honorific outside of the day of ceremony [TS]

  that occurs this is a fair question and [TS]

  I think should be addressed [TS]

  I mean I don't want to bring it up I [TS]

  don't wanna I don't want to poo poo on [TS]

  your parade here no no course it's [TS]

  basically the only question anyone [TS]

  I've about the whole thing exactly [TS]

  bracket phrase perhaps in the way of [TS]

  yeah but are you a real doctor [TS]

  my position is that I am NOT who there [TS]

  is mixed opinion on actually and [TS]

  different people do different things [TS]

  with that and you can read different [TS]

  things about it but I think the proper [TS]

  way is to not use it and the only way it [TS]

  gets used is an official correspondence [TS]

  with the university that bestowed on you [TS]

  but there are people who have taken the [TS]

  name doctor within honorific degree like [TS]

  this [TS]

  mm I think Benjamin Franklin was one of [TS]

  them okay yeah yeah so i may be wrong [TS]

  about that but I'm sticking with it [TS]

  until you google it and find out [TS]

  otherwise i'm not doing that all i can [TS]

  hear your steampunk keyboard his thing [TS]

  away in the background I don't let me so [TS]

  other than for this week and times of [TS]

  convenience [TS]

  mm I'm not gonna roll out using it maybe [TS]

  on some plain bookings and her in the [TS]

  hotel gonna get parades I'm not gonna [TS]

  roll it out [TS]

  I haven't done it and I don't [TS]

  necessarily do it but I i want to leave [TS]

  that option open if you think that's how [TS]

  they do upgrades clucking at look we [TS]

  have the doctor I don't think that's how [TS]

  that works [TS]

  probably not but probably not but I mean [TS]

  some people say yeah you should do you [TS]

  know get some of your things changed and [TS]

  that but I don't think it's the done [TS]

  thing and it's not going to be the done [TS]

  thing by me so I'm just having a couple [TS]

  of days of glory lording it over people [TS]

  like my sister who was ahead of me in [TS]

  the education stakes were so long as I'm [TS]

  now telling her that I'm ahead of her [TS]

  but other than that it's just like a [TS]

  nice price and some nice recognition and [TS]

  a really fun day with all the people at [TS]

  the University who I really like and [TS]

  care about and they did a nice thing for [TS]

  me and being able to stick it to your [TS]

  sister is a really nice bonus there is [TS]

  nice is nice she didn't realize till the [TS]

  day she just thought i was getting an [TS]

  honorary degree she didn't realize it [TS]

  was this doctor of letters so when she [TS]

  found that out [TS]

  she went from being really like proud [TS]

  and congratulate ritu a little bit [TS]

  pissed off [TS]

  haha murica does this sibling rivalry as [TS]

  opposed to what ya say we had a bit of [TS]

  banter gag on the on the I message to [TS]

  the big moment but she's the one person [TS]

  i am going to insist calls me dr. heron [TS]

  in all correspondence yeah [TS]

  think that's legitimate that's the way [TS]

  that you work it's funny though the [TS]

  longer this conversation goes on i can I [TS]

  mean normally I have always been of the [TS]

  opinion of a honorary doctorates [TS]

  obviously those people shouldn't use the [TS]

  word doctor but i find myself thinking [TS]

  like well presumably most of the time [TS]

  when honorary doctorates are given out [TS]

  it is to acknowledge work that is done [TS]

  in a field right a presentation that was [TS]

  given for you was about the genuine work [TS]

  that you have done in the field of [TS]

  science [TS]

  it was a doctor of letters though it's [TS]

  about creatives because you can be can [TS]

  be made a doctor of science as well and [TS]

  there is a doctor of letters which [TS]

  apparently is just actually a pig of a [TS]

  PhD in like the pecking order level [TS]

  oh my of university things but it's [TS]

  supposedly for like you know a body of [TS]

  work over an extended period of time [TS]

  which you've become an expert and this [TS]

  was for educational videos and films [TS]

  over a 10-year period and there's a [TS]

  whole duration and reasons given for it [TS]

  and i have to say my impression and it [TS]

  was also my wife's impression was on the [TS]

  day it suddenly seems like a bigger deal [TS]

  than we realize doesn't like suddenly at [TS]

  the end we were like that's actually [TS]

  like a really big thing they just did [TS]

  for me that like I just thought it was [TS]

  like a prize that you sometimes get in [TS]

  laughs whoohoo but it felt like a really [TS]

  big deal and I was really I was bursting [TS]

  with pride at the end of it I was [TS]

  ninety-five percent proud and honored [TS]

  and five percent humbled [TS]

  well of course humbled in the proper [TS]

  sense of what i would consider the [TS]

  proper sense of the word because I kind [TS]

  of felt like I'm not sure I deserve this [TS]

  this seems like a really big thing [TS]

  they're giving me and I'm just like some [TS]

  creepy guy who does a podcast with great [TS]

  and the podcast and grey did get a [TS]

  mention in the speech by the way and [TS]

  when our listing off the things i do i [TS]

  believe they may reference it as clearly [TS]

  the most relevant part of this award [TS]

  yeah but again it like in all [TS]

  seriousness i'm finding my mind kind of [TS]

  changing in the course of this [TS]

  conversation I'm thinking how again the [TS]

  idea like you said of a doctorate is [TS]

  some contribution over a period of time [TS]

  like a unique thing that you have done [TS]

  i feel like i dunno people whose actual [TS]

  work for their doctorate while yes they [TS]

  did a unique thing that no one else has [TS]

  ever done [TS]

  the end result of that was like a [TS]

  document that sits on a shelf somewhere [TS]

  in the University which is never looked [TS]

  at again by human being and I feel like [TS]

  you've gotten this for doing a body of [TS]

  work that genuinely has a bunch of [TS]

  influence on other people [TS]

  I feel like if universities are giving [TS]

  out honorary doctorates for comparable [TS]

  kind of things to individuals who are [TS]

  doing bodies of work then it feels like [TS]

  how is this kind of not real like you [TS]

  are hearing me having a discussion in [TS]

  which I feel my mind is [TS]

  which I feel my mind is [TS]

  is changing on a thing it is partly [TS]

  contingent upon I don't know how [TS]

  seriously all universities take honorary [TS]

  doctorates yeah i mean obviously up i [TS]

  would like to have some sympathy with [TS]

  the argument you're making having just [TS]

  received what right and i also have like [TS]

  a conflict of interest now the course [TS]

  you do i say that you know if if you've [TS]

  been doing something for 10-15 I mean [TS]

  I've been a journalist for over 20 years [TS]

  of doing science for a lot of her i [TS]

  guess you do get a level of expertise [TS]

  that's comparable to someone who study [TS]

  something for three years in an [TS]

  institutional environment so I see the [TS]

  argument for that it probably means a [TS]

  lot of people who are eligible for [TS]

  honorary doctorates of course because a [TS]

  lot of people become experts in their [TS]

  field so where do you draw the line but [TS]

  it does become unstuck because some [TS]

  universities and I don't think the [TS]

  University of Nottingham is guilty of [TS]

  this but some universities do turn them [TS]

  into sort of attention seeking events [TS]

  and therefore give them two celebrities [TS]

  or people they think will get lots and [TS]

  lots of media attention or just do it [TS]

  for more gimmicky ways and that probably [TS]

  devalue them sometimes much the same way [TS]

  that the Nobel Prize the piece Nobel [TS]

  Prize sometimes gets devalued when they [TS]

  give one to people who other people [TS]

  don't think deserve but everyone knows [TS]

  that the laughingstock Nobel Prize well [TS]

  what nobel prize that they give that to [TS]

  everybody [TS]

  anyway yeah i hear your argument and I'd [TS]

  like to think it's true but well because [TS]

  I'm just thinking this thing about Oh [TS]

  giving out honorary degrees on seriously [TS]

  is that well is this problem many [TS]

  different from things like diploma Mills [TS]

  right universities where you can [TS]

  essentially just buy a diploma or get [TS]

  that just hand out diplomas to [TS]

  absolutely everybody [TS]

  maybe this is a kind of self sorting [TS]

  problem where universities have [TS]

  reputations that they care to maintain [TS]

  so those universities are less likely to [TS]

  do just pandering kind of things with [TS]

  honorary degrees [TS]

  I don't know I just I feel like my whole [TS]

  world view about what does the degree [TS]

  mean as being thrown into confusion all [TS]

  of a sudden [TS]

  yeah I mean people have a very set idea [TS]

  of what it means and i think i probably [TS]

  have that set idea as well which is why [TS]

  I'm quite self-deprecating about the 1i [TS]

  received because i'm i'm more that [TS]

  old-school that a degree in a doctorate [TS]

  means you set in University and did x [TS]

  y&z but like I said [TS]

  whether i should call myself doctor or [TS]

  not which i don't think i will be doing [TS]

  well I know I won't be doing even [TS]

  whether that's the case on are and how [TS]

  much of it is symbolic and how much of [TS]

  it is kind of an errand thing is [TS]

  debatable and your people have their own [TS]

  views but I just consider it like just a [TS]

  really nice thing that they did for me [TS]

  and it was kind of you know we've had a [TS]

  relationship for a long time and it made [TS]

  me really happy [TS]

  it was kind of like a little celebration [TS]

  of lots of years and years of working [TS]

  together as well he definitely deserved [TS]

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  for supporting the show so great [TS]

  you've had a few videos out like you do [TS]

  i said that i enjoyed your breakfast one [TS]

  who write your split-brain one month [TS]

  I've watched a few times now i refreshed [TS]

  my memory watching out while I was [TS]

  walking the dogs earlier and [TS]

  not digging that one so much oh yeah [TS]

  it's this new path you've gone down a [TS]

  few videos that's just not for me [TS]

  oh yeah tell me tell me I like a good [TS]

  map and I like a good border and i like [TS]

  i like some factual stuff but starting [TS]

  with your transporter 1 and now with you [TS]

  your brain wonder huh [TS]

  it's marking a sort of a new path you're [TS]

  taking that's not in my wheelhouse but i [TS]

  do think it is in your viewers [TS]

  wheelhouse not just judging from the [TS]

  response but judging from what I know of [TS]

  your viewers and i am therefore gonna [TS]

  start labeling videos like this either [TS]

  great this is where we're going before [TS]

  okay yeah i think i think that great or [TS]

  maybe even read it bait huh [TS]

  because i think the sort of things read [TS]

  people likes pretty similar to what the [TS]

  gray fanboys and fangirls like you mean [TS]

  with the great audience likes yeah but i [TS]

  wanted to use the term fan you know [TS]

  fanboy because it's such a cool term and [TS]

  it's it's more inflammatory of course I [TS]

  think that everyone you want to do it [TS]

  yeah like helping people ok right go [TS]

  ahead there so it just wasn't my bag and [TS]

  I was watching it and of course it was [TS]

  well written and your research and you [TS]

  know it back to front and they're from a [TS]

  bit reluctant to talk about it because [TS]

  you start citing papers and studies and [TS]

  things I know nothing about but it also [TS]

  felt like just a bit speculative and [TS]

  hand wavy like maybe yeah I've noticed a [TS]

  couple videos now you have this little [TS]

  gear change in the middle where you say [TS]

  speculation time or fantasy time my [TS]

  speculation time happen in one video the [TS]

  last video [TS]

  no but there was something in the middle [TS]

  of the right there was a word you said [TS]

  in the middle of the brain video to [TS]

  where basically it was a euphemism for [TS]

  the next part is like not I don't know [TS]

  em i cant what the word was now in the [TS]

  middle of the video like just before you [TS]

  go off on a tangent you basically said [TS]

  some little phrase like this next bit is [TS]

  just me [TS]

  well I think that's fair enough you know [TS]

  you think interesting things but i [TS]

  prefer when you show me the border [TS]

  between America and Canada has an [TS]

  airport with a runway in the middle of [TS]

  something and something a bit more real [TS]

  that's what I always like yeah i think [TS]

  yes and if it's just that one guy's [TS]

  opinion it happens to be a guy I'm [TS]

  friends with and therefore i watch the [TS]

  videos because I'm interested in what my [TS]

  friend thanks but i just think this you [TS]

  are too thing is bollocks [TS]

  so what's your beef with it what's your [TS]

  beef with it i don't think that human [TS]

  beings are two people having a fight [TS]

  inside ahead [TS]

  who mmm i think that this doesn't ring [TS]

  true to me and I I saw like some of the [TS]

  examples and studies you've done but i [TS]

  think and i know one of the ways you [TS]

  learn how things work is to break them [TS]

  moon but i think a broken malfunctioning [TS]

  brain or brain that's been cut in half [TS]

  with a scalpel is that of course it's [TS]

  going to start doing weird things [TS]

  because it's been broken lou and the [TS]

  thing I keep thinking about and you hate [TS]

  it because you hate my analogies but I [TS]

  only hit them when they're bad breeding [TS]

  well you're definitely gonna when I was [TS]

  little a friend of mine her mom had a [TS]

  car and something broke in the wiring [TS]

  and steering wheel and whenever the car [TS]

  turned left the car horn would too [TS]

  so we would sometimes do laps of the [TS]

  block and she would just go left around [TS]

  the block time and time again every time [TS]

  she turned the wheel the car horn would [TS]

  too and all us kids in the back would [TS]

  crack up laughing because it was the [TS]

  funniest thing we never heard who but [TS]

  that doesn't mean every car on the road [TS]

  has this silent horn that wants to to [TS]

  every time the cartoons left right it's [TS]

  running on youtube I car society [TS]

  it just means that car was broken and [TS]

  the wires are gone around the room and [TS]

  it started behaving in a way that car's [TS]

  not supposed to behave and just the same [TS]

  if you go into a brain and start messing [TS]

  around with it you can start getting [TS]

  some behaviors that give the appearance [TS]

  of maybe something a little bit strange [TS]

  and abnormal but that doesn't mean [TS]

  that's happening in a normal brain blue [TS]

  it's just you know the brain has all [TS]

  these different departments and [TS]

  different things and everyone has a [TS]

  different job to do and they integrate [TS]

  in some ways we understand in some ways [TS]

  we don't but I think it's great Beatty [TS]

  or reddit Beatty to then make the leap [TS]

  that there's some tortured soul spending [TS]

  90 years screaming for attention or [TS]

  shrugging his shoulders inside our heads [TS]

  I think that's a nice story and it's the [TS]

  sort of thing that will make people say [TS]

  mind blown [TS]

  but I don't think it's true the split [TS]

  brain stuff is one of these things i [TS]

  came across i mean like when I was a [TS]

  teenager I have this dim memory of like [TS]

  a discover magazine or something which [TS]

  originally talked about some of these [TS]

  studies is this was a really weird and [TS]

  interesting topic to read [TS]

  I like it when things are are super [TS]

  clear I prefer when there's a obvious [TS]

  answer to stuff but i really do think [TS]

  that there is an interesting part of [TS]

  life that revolves around a kind of very [TS]

  difficult question to answer which is a [TS]

  question about human consciousness like [TS]

  what is human consciousness [TS]

  why does it exist it's an idea that the [TS]

  more you think about and the more you [TS]

  try to probe it it can lead you in some [TS]

  interesting directions and I'll just [TS]

  like directions that I think probably [TS]

  most of the listeners probably think of [TS]

  me as I can incredibly like logical [TS]

  consistent like we can only talk about [TS]

  the things that we can observe sort of [TS]

  super sciency person and I am mostly [TS]

  that way but I am very interested in [TS]

  ideas around consciousness because i [TS]

  think they start to push you into places [TS]

  that are kind of uncomfortable so [TS]

  thoughts about like how is it that a [TS]

  collection of atoms is able to be aware [TS]

  of itself and you can start thinking all [TS]

  kinds of things about this like oh well [TS]

  maybe consciousness is a side effect of [TS]

  information processing and you start [TS]

  thinking okay but wait what do you mean [TS]

  by the words information processing and [TS]

  so I feel like the two videos that I've [TS]

  done that have touched on this the [TS]

  trouble of transporters and and the you [TS]

  are too [TS]

  I feel like they're each kind of dancing [TS]

  around this idea of what does it mean to [TS]

  be an individual in the world and if you [TS]

  are correct in your starting first [TS]

  principles you are led down roads that [TS]

  seemed kind of crazy and the you are 21 [TS]

  like looking at a bunch of the old brain [TS]

  study stuff and one of my big problems [TS]

  with a lot of split brain research is [TS]

  it's very old [TS]

  so there's a lot of stuff where I feel a [TS]

  little bit suspicious about it i think [TS]

  there is no topic i have ever done that [TS]

  i have also felt more suspicious about [TS]

  than this one because i was reading a [TS]

  bunch of papers and they are all from [TS]

  ages and ages ago about [TS]

  but what happens to people with [TS]

  split-brain phenomenon and i totally [TS]

  agree with you that there is something [TS]

  that's occurring here which is that a [TS]

  person's brain is just broken right like [TS]

  what happens you you literally cracked [TS]

  open someone's skull you reached in you [TS]

  cut their brain into and once you do [TS]

  that you can start to observe all kinds [TS]

  of strange behavior but the reason that [TS]

  I think it's interesting and the reason [TS]

  why i wanted to do that video is because [TS]

  unlike I think your analogy with the car [TS]

  there's a real question of like what is [TS]

  happening inside the broken person's [TS]

  brain like ignore for a moment a normal [TS]

  brain that that's connected but if we're [TS]

  thinking about okay we know we can go in [TS]

  you slice a person's brain in half and I [TS]

  see no way around [TS]

  assuming that all the papers that i'm [TS]

  reading through are accurately [TS]

  describing the situations i see no way [TS]

  around the idea that there is something [TS]

  that is separately conscious in the [TS]

  other side of your head if you cut [TS]

  someone's brain into like I have a very [TS]

  hard time trying to do what I think some [TS]

  people do when you read the papers and [TS]

  you're reading about like water possible [TS]

  descriptions that are going on and [TS]

  people will come up with explanations [TS]

  like oh the other brain is just like [TS]

  reacting automatically to information [TS]

  that it's getting so it seems like it's [TS]

  answering a question but there's nobody [TS]

  really at home right it's almost like [TS]

  it's a reflex like what's occurring when [TS]

  the other brain seems to be acting like [TS]

  it's an independent entity but my [TS]

  feeling on a lot of that stuff is if you [TS]

  think this through [TS]

  how is that argument any different than [TS]

  the speaking half of the brain talking [TS]

  when you say oh we ask this person a [TS]

  question and they were able to answer [TS]

  yes or no they just feel like there's [TS]

  some kind of bias towards the speaking [TS]

  part of the brain being the quote like [TS]

  real you obviously conscious person I [TS]

  don't know I my feeling was just reading [TS]

  through a bunch of this stuff up [TS]

  I can't come up with any seemingly [TS]

  consistent answer for what is occurring [TS]

  other than [TS]

  and the right side of the brain at the [TS]

  very least when you cut it off becomes a [TS]

  kind of separate consciousness and [TS]

  whether or not what it's like to be the [TS]

  right half of your brain is the same as [TS]

  what it's like to be the left half of [TS]

  your brain like whether those are the [TS]

  same as is a totally different question [TS]

  that's up in the air [TS]

  it feels like to me there's some [TS]

  evidence that consciousness can be cut [TS]

  into as a result of some of the stuff [TS]

  that you see in split-brain patients and [TS]

  I think that is really weird and it is [TS]

  really interesting and what does that [TS]

  mean for a person's brain that is whole [TS]

  and that is simply together all the time [TS]

  I think there's some really interesting [TS]

  questions to be asked about that and the [TS]

  one that I hit upon in that video that [TS]

  that's a really big question is why is [TS]

  it that if you go in and you cut [TS]

  someone's brain into that they seemed [TS]

  mostly fine afterward [TS]

  what seems to be incredibly traumatic [TS]

  brain surgery actually doesn't have very [TS]

  much of an impact on the person and I [TS]

  feel like one of the most consistent [TS]

  explanations that i have come across in [TS]

  the literature is this explanation that [TS]

  you're right hemisphere is already [TS]

  separately conscious and that it has [TS]

  already been coordinating with the [TS]

  hemisphere that you think of as you i [TS]

  got i'm not in that video trying to do [TS]

  what I think is like here's some wild [TS]

  speculation that's cool because I i [TS]

  really hate that kind of stuff when i [TS]

  feel like i'm trying to walk towards is [TS]

  you're totally done i'm even code the [TS]

  video you are too [TS]

  yeah but that's because my reading of [TS]

  the literature and my sitting down and [TS]

  thinking about it is I really do think [TS]

  that this is the most logical conclusion [TS]

  that explains what is observed in the [TS]

  papers right I think that's a very [TS]

  different thing from saying like I'm [TS]

  just going to toss out a crazy idea [TS]

  it's the same thing that we had with [TS]

  that transporter video of like you seem [TS]

  to think that the thing at the end when [TS]

  I'm talking about like you die every [TS]

  time you go to sleep was like just fun [TS]

  speculation and that was that with a [TS]

  great camp [TS]

  and of all the red-and-white complaint [TS]

  but from my perspective like that is [TS]

  actually a thing that I take very [TS]

  seriously and I think if you start [TS]

  thinking too much about what does it [TS]

  mean to be a continuous person that this [TS]

  is a conclusion that you are pushed [TS]

  towards unwillingly and I feel like the [TS]

  same thing kind of occurs in the you are [TS]

  to video of I'm not just speculating for [TS]

  funsies like I'm doing that because i [TS]

  think that this is the only conclusion [TS]

  that i feel like can be drawn that [TS]

  explains why does this traumatic brain [TS]

  surgery seem to leave people kind of [TS]

  mostly normal [TS]

  why is it that the two hemispheres can [TS]

  seemingly act independently and be [TS]

  totally unaware of each other that's [TS]

  what I'm trying to do with that video do [TS]

  you think it's like an evolutionary [TS]

  reason that brains would have evolved [TS]

  that way like are we talking about some [TS]

  form of redundancy or like why would [TS]

  this have been the way it happened [TS]

  let me this is this brings up some [TS]

  interesting things that are observed in [TS]

  other animals like for example there are [TS]

  several species particularly aquatic [TS]

  species that can sleep one hemisphere at [TS]

  a time which is just super weird even [TS]

  think about but there are animals that [TS]

  essentially never really fully go to [TS]

  sleep and like well like that's very [TS]

  interesting like what is it that is [TS]

  occurring inside their subjective brains [TS]

  when this is happening and of course [TS]

  that you can't know you can't really [TS]

  know what it is subjectively like to be [TS]

  a duck when one half is asleep or the [TS]

  other half is asleep and that the brain [TS]

  is just a crazy very difficult to [TS]

  understand also very plastic and [TS]

  flexible organ this whole video fell out [TS]

  of what was supposed to be a much bigger [TS]

  broader topic which is more about how [TS]

  the idea of what you think of yourself [TS]

  as as this stream of thoughts that we [TS]

  have a lot of evidence that this isn't [TS]

  even exactly correct when you put people [TS]

  into brain scanners what seems to happen [TS]

  is that brain patterns kind of fight [TS]

  with each other inside a person's head [TS]

  until one of them becomes dominant and [TS]

  then that feels like oh this is the [TS]

  thought that I had and maybe one of the [TS]

  other conclusions is not that you are [TS]

  too but maybe the conclusion is like [TS]

  your brain is [TS]

  is a whole bunch of like separately [TS]

  conscious entities that are working with [TS]

  or against each other and that the [TS]

  experience we have of a consistent [TS]

  person going through life that this is a [TS]

  little bit of a story that some part of [TS]

  the brain tells itself after the fact if [TS]

  people think about it this is an [TS]

  experience that people actually have [TS]

  that experience of feeling like you [TS]

  decide to do one thing but you actually [TS]

  end up doing something else like what [TS]

  like why does that occur if you if you [TS]

  really go deep down that rabbit hole [TS]

  it's a bit of a strange thing to think [TS]

  about how you don't always do the things [TS]

  that you want to do what's an example of [TS]

  a I mean just totally simple going to [TS]

  the gym every day it's a thing that you [TS]

  want to do but sometimes you don't do it [TS]

  okay i don't agree with that i think [TS]

  that's different that's a lot more [TS]

  easily explained is not will tell me [TS]

  what do you think about that that's just [TS]

  competing desires isn't it that's not [TS]

  like two thoughts happening [TS]

  simultaneously and like I think i'm [TS]

  walking out to the gym and suddenly I [TS]

  looked anything on my god how did this [TS]

  don't get in my hand [TS]

  it's not like that it's a lot more like [TS]

  I have a desire to have a beautiful body [TS]

  and be healthy i have a desire for that [TS]

  yummy sugary thing and then in the end [TS]

  one desire defeats the other but it's [TS]

  not like it's a hidden thing or is a [TS]

  probability or they were to scramble [TS]

  thoughts in my brain and one popped out [TS]

  I think that's a lot simpler to explain [TS]

  I know what you're saying there but i [TS]

  still think even the notion of having [TS]

  conflicting desires in your brain [TS]

  I think it's something that it's very [TS]

  easy for us to just accept as normal [TS]

  because it is our experience of the [TS]

  world but is a strange thing the more [TS]

  you sit down and actually focus on it [TS]

  and think about it like why is it that a [TS]

  person has conflicting thoughts in their [TS]

  head [TS]

  why is it that you decide things one way [TS]

  or another I think there are real rabbit [TS]

  holes that lead in an interesting [TS]

  directions [TS]

  this is all sort of like a bit of a side [TS]

  tangent but i think the you are too was [TS]

  it was originally going to be a smaller [TS]

  part of this bigger thing but I think [TS]

  the you are to stuff is [TS]

  the clearest way to talk about one part [TS]

  of this that we can at least under some [TS]

  circumstances demonstrate that you can [TS]

  unambiguously get a brain to disagree [TS]

  with itself in ways that quote the [TS]

  person the talking person finds [TS]

  confusing and finds difficult to [TS]

  understand what's going on I just feel [TS]

  that the idea that there's some other [TS]

  consciousness in your head answers a lot [TS]

  of questions about a lot of the [TS]

  weirdness that goes on but just one [TS]

  other consciousness you think it's too [TS]

  which i can say that the brain is a very [TS]

  symmetrical to have things so you think [TS]

  there's two there's not like a thousand [TS]

  or a million or three you've settled [TS]

  onto when you're talking about the split [TS]

  brain stuff i think yeah like we can [TS]

  talk about there being like two [TS]

  different entities in the brain [TS]

  what if we found another line somewhere [TS]

  we could cleft off and get a third [TS]

  interesting phenomenon going on [TS]

  could you be three I don't see in [TS]

  principle why not [TS]

  there's a question of ok either we have [TS]

  a single consciousness that you can [TS]

  divide into 2 by cutting in the right [TS]

  place and if that's the case I don't see [TS]

  the reason why if we didn't cleverly cut [TS]

  somebody's brain in a different area you [TS]

  could siphon off another part that seems [TS]

  like it is acting independently [TS]

  there's also the possibility of just [TS]

  like mines arise as a byproduct of the [TS]

  way neurons are structured this is the [TS]

  thing I'm not entirely comfortable with [TS]

  as well though say I accept that brain [TS]

  cut in half has two different [TS]

  consciousness isn't right [TS]

  okay if I then rewire them the way they [TS]

  were before I cut is not acceptable that [TS]

  latest merge into one why when the [TS]

  wiring is connected between the two do [TS]

  they still have to be two different [TS]

  consciousness is why can't then they [TS]

  just click your fingers become one [TS]

  consciousness again why does this second [TS]

  one still have to be in prison and [TS]

  shrugging his shoulders and unable to [TS]

  talk and working sometimes with and [TS]

  sometimes against like Shirley then [TS]

  maybe when i plug the wise and it just [TS]

  becomes one system that is a total [TS]

  possibility right we don't know because [TS]

  we have no ability to regrow someone's [TS]

  corpus callosum inside of their head [TS]

  and even if we did and we'll have to get [TS]

  back to this because if there's one [TS]

  thing where I have like severe doubts [TS]

  about the reality of this whole thing [TS]

  like let's book note that not forget it [TS]

  i want to return to it but let's say you [TS]

  were able to regrow someone's brain it [TS]

  would be hard to know that how would you [TS]

  interrogate the other brain to see if [TS]

  it's still there [TS]

  mmm i think that would be the [TS]

  interesting question of it's sort of [TS]

  unknowable maybe it's hard to imagine [TS]

  the scenario in which you could know for [TS]

  sure did these two consciousnesses [TS]

  combined or is one now just hidden from [TS]

  view in a way but I feel like okay if [TS]

  you can cut consciousness into with a [TS]

  knife [TS]

  I don't see why in principle it would be [TS]

  impossible to bind two consciousnesses [TS]

  together with a needle and thread right [TS]

  but putting it back and fixing it [TS]

  I'm not opposed to that that very idea i [TS]

  guess i see that there are two options [TS]

  here that the cutting creates a separate [TS]

  intelligence or that the separate [TS]

  intelligence exists all along and I feel [TS]

  like the second theory is the more [TS]

  explanatory theory that explains why [TS]

  this brain surgery seems to not affect [TS]

  patients very much [TS]

  afterward why they don't need to relearn [TS]

  the basics of interacting with the world [TS]

  even though they're there two halves are [TS]

  not able to communicate in the same way [TS]

  that they were able to before for [TS]

  someone who doesn't believe in free will [TS]

  and believes the universe is just a [TS]

  series of you know to simplify dominoes [TS]

  falling over in sequence and we're just [TS]

  following as we have to follow [TS]

  why you so preoccupied with [TS]

  consciousness at all i don't see how [TS]

  those two things are not related [TS]

  if consciousness is an ability to [TS]

  perceive the world around us [TS]

  well because we live in this no free [TS]

  well well but we have no control over [TS]

  anything we don't have any control over [TS]

  the way we perceive anyway like that's [TS]

  inevitable to so the things you're [TS]

  looking at and thinking and the way [TS]

  you're perceiving the world the way [TS]

  you're conscious of the world is not [TS]

  yours either i agree but i'm surprised [TS]

  you can't just talk them out of [TS]

  existence as well and not even bother [TS]

  with this stuff there [TS]

  thing that is fascinating about it is [TS]

  that there is no talking consciousness [TS]

  out of existence [TS]

  like if if I know anything I know that I [TS]

  have some experience of the world that [TS]

  this is a subjective experience that I [TS]

  have that to me is a very different [TS]

  question then do I control my subjective [TS]

  experience and i agree with you since I [TS]

  don't think that there is free will [TS]

  I don't think that I control my [TS]

  subjective experience of the world like [TS]

  for example i'm sitting in my office [TS]

  right now and it's way too hot the [TS]

  hotness is a subjective experience that [TS]

  is created in my brain I have no ability [TS]

  to control it and as we just before I [TS]

  have no ability to select my thoughts or [TS]

  even really know ability to choose what [TS]

  I'm saying in this very conversation [TS]

  I've always said like if you focus on [TS]

  things you can realize that you don't [TS]

  even know how you talk right words just [TS]

  come out but you're not selecting them [TS]

  you're not really choosing them i don't [TS]

  even really know how i'm getting to the [TS]

  end of this sentence right now it's a [TS]

  thing that if you look at it with your [TS]

  attention you notice that it just [TS]

  happens but i am thinking of options [TS]

  like while you talk i'm thinking of will [TS]

  I say this next and then I'm i am [TS]

  running a filtering process i'm saying i [TS]

  won't say that because it'll make me [TS]

  look like a dig right maybe I'll say [TS]

  that because we fight on actually no [TS]

  that's not funny don't say that say this [TS]

  instead or say this change that word to [TS]

  that like I am [TS]

  it's not like I'm just like whoa man [TS]

  what just happened but I haven't made a [TS]

  series of decisions sometimes they're [TS]

  long considered decisions because you're [TS]

  waffling and I have time to think about [TS]

  exactly and and other times i'm making [TS]

  those decisions at the speed of light [TS]

  like on-the-fly like I am now but i do [TS]

  think decisions are being made [TS]

  yes but you're you are choosing from the [TS]

  options that occur to you [TS]

  yes I think that you just push the [TS]

  problem up one level when I according to [TS]

  you I'm not even doing that according to [TS]

  you [TS]

  options are passing by and then I'm [TS]

  choosing the 1i had no choice but to [TS]

  choose but yeah I get me saying I'm [TS]

  trying to go on your level here like [TS]

  let's pretend for a second that values [TS]

  right what the the doctorate level video [TS]

  exactly it [TS]

  well always with this stuff I think you [TS]

  end up getting rap using black the [TS]

  conversation that occurs right yeah [TS]

  we're getting wrapped around the axle of [TS]

  the very word choose right and I think [TS]

  choose and decisions are always the [TS]

  words that you get everything messed up [TS]

  on but even let's say like granting the [TS]

  idea that you are choosing from the [TS]

  things that you thinking in your head [TS]

  and everybody has this experience right [TS]

  I i have the same experience to like [TS]

  trying to think of things to ask someone [TS]

  but you are still quote choosing among [TS]

  the alternatives that appear in your [TS]

  head but you have no choice about the [TS]

  alternatives that appear in your head [TS]

  and I feel like this is what always [TS]

  happens when we have a discussion about [TS]

  like talking with other humans and you [TS]

  tell me Brady always like oh just it's [TS]

  easy to talk to other humans you just [TS]

  say what pops into your head [TS]

  I don't feel like but things don't pop [TS]

  into my head right now I'm just sitting [TS]

  here with a totally empty ad and I don't [TS]

  know how to make things pop into my head [TS]

  in the course of human conversation that [TS]

  just because I haven't got all the [TS]

  options great doesn't mean free will [TS]

  doesn't exist I mean I lean towards [TS]

  freewill existing of course the only but [TS]

  anyway whatever maybe it doesn't maybe [TS]

  maybe does but even in my world of [TS]

  believing it exists [TS]

  I can't jump to the moon right now if i [TS]

  say all the moon looks nice i'm going to [TS]

  jump up there [TS]

  I can't do that it's not in my palette [TS]

  of options right and likewise when i'm [TS]

  thinking of something to say in a social [TS]

  situation and I'm choosing between the [TS]

  8th options that come into my head [TS]

  that's just my palette of you know the [TS]

  realities of the world just because the [TS]

  palate is limited doesn't mean free will [TS]

  doesn't exist so just because I'm having [TS]

  three or four thoughts and I'm deciding [TS]

  which one to say from this limited [TS]

  palette that was presented to me that [TS]

  doesn't explain away free will [TS]

  yeah I mean I understand what you're [TS]

  saying here and this is where we reach [TS]

  the crux of our disagreement because I'm [TS]

  like I agree [TS]

  people do not have an infinite number of [TS]

  choices an infinite number of choices [TS]

  would not prove that there was free will [TS]

  either I just think that the thing that [TS]

  I imagine is happening is happening on [TS]

  both levels you are not selecting from [TS]

  the options that appear in your brain [TS]

  you are not choosing among them either [TS]

  write that the things just occur and you [TS]

  have a subjective feeling of choice but [TS]

  there is no other thing that would have [TS]

  occurred worried too will rewind the [TS]

  universe that exact position but where [TS]

  this connects with consciousness and why [TS]

  I find it so interesting is [TS]

  consciousness feels like this thing that [TS]

  shouldn't exist and i don't use this [TS]

  word lightly but I i feel like this is [TS]

  perhaps the closest thing to a miracle [TS]

  that exists that there is anything to [TS]

  experience the universe at all [TS]

  I feel like there's almost no [TS]

  explanation that can ever possibly occur [TS]

  that answers this question again i am a [TS]

  very sciency kind of guy but I can [TS]

  imagine a universe where we fast-forward [TS]

  the clock on scientific progress ten [TS]

  thousand millennia and are still no [TS]

  closer to an answer about what is [TS]

  consciousness why does it arise then we [TS]

  are today than we were a thousand years [TS]

  ago we may be very good at describing [TS]

  exactly how the brain works in every [TS]

  possible way but that's a different [TS]

  question from how does this bundle of [TS]

  nerves know that it's there [TS]

  how does it have an experience of the [TS]

  world does your thinking in that way [TS]

  there's your kind of bewilderment at [TS]

  consciousness and confusion about [TS]

  consciousness ever make you think maybe [TS]

  there's something else going on and does [TS]

  that ever weekend your thoughts about [TS]

  free will do you ever think of [TS]

  consciousness can exist and that is [TS]

  completely ridiculous and bewildering [TS]

  maybe there is something going on at [TS]

  some other level and therefore free will [TS]

  is also an option or is your free will [TS]

  position ironclad and consciousness is [TS]

  just bewildering to what i would say is [TS]

  i am open to the possibility of freewill [TS]

  existing I am harder pressed on that one [TS]

  because I feel like any explanation that [TS]

  that may possibly occur is always just [TS]

  kicking the problem [TS]

  up one level 1 like we were saying [TS]

  before about choosing where but you're [TS]

  choosing from options right but how do [TS]

  those options get there those options [TS]

  got there because those are the things [TS]

  that we're going to pop up in your mind [TS]

  you know it is the idea that that even [TS]

  if there was some kind of magic part of [TS]

  humans [TS]

  I can still see a way in which free will [TS]

  doesn't exist even if [TS]

  accept the idea that there's magic in [TS]

  the universe and and consciousness gets [TS]

  to it as close as I'm gonna get to be [TS]

  like maybe there's magic in the universe [TS]

  or the other thing which I sometimes [TS]

  have conversations with very sciency [TS]

  people who really really really don't [TS]

  like this line of thinking but it seems [TS]

  quite reasonable to me is well why do we [TS]

  have to assume that every single part of [TS]

  the universe is perfectly logical and [TS]

  understandable like maybe built into the [TS]

  clockwork of the universe are parts that [TS]

  are not logical [TS]

  like we don't know how the universe [TS]

  works we don't know how everything [TS]

  happens and maybe consciousness is one [TS]

  of these things like this is just how [TS]

  the universe is consciousness exists and [TS]

  there's no ability to explain it in the [TS]

  same way that ultimately there's no [TS]

  ability to explain why an electron has [TS]

  the charge that it does it just does [TS]

  and at a certain point you you lose the [TS]

  ability to explain things any further [TS]

  but you won't give that [TS]

  get-out-of-jail-free card to free will [TS]

  I don't because I feel like it's a [TS]

  different kind of question [TS]

  mmm i'm open to this I'm not I'm not [TS]

  shutting that down but I I just haven't [TS]

  yet found a line of inquiry which I find [TS]

  convincing [TS]

  well great if nothing else you've given [TS]

  some great father to all those people [TS]

  that bad philosophy or bad talking or [TS]

  whatever going to do you really think [TS]

  they don't know the answers to the [TS]

  universe the little people may think [TS]

  that yeah those are absolutely always [TS]

  the best and i feel like in these [TS]

  podcasts where I'm like I'm very happy [TS]

  to acknowledge my total uncertainty and [TS]

  lack of knowledge in those conversations [TS]

  that always comes across as oh this guy [TS]

  tells everybody he knows everything ok i [TS]

  guess you don't actually listen to the [TS]

  podcast just because you sound too damn [TS]

  authority of grey it's just your curse [TS]

  that is perhaps what I think is the [TS]

  funniest complained that I get from [TS]

  people will say like oh he shouldn't [TS]

  speculate because the sound of his voice [TS]

  is too authoritative like okay I'm sorry [TS]

  i didn't realize i am forbidden from [TS]

  expressing my thoughts because they [TS]

  sound to legitimate when I say that like [TS]

  it [TS]

  okay did we cover the item you wanted [TS]

  bookmark which is something you are [TS]

  unsure about ok yes i do want to [TS]

  bookmark one thing here for with the [TS]

  split brain study if I didn't think it [TS]

  wasn't the case i wouldn't have made the [TS]

  video but there was one thing that kept [TS]

  nibbling at my mind and I would not be [TS]

  surprised if in like 30 years as happens [TS]

  in science sometimes there comes a study [TS]

  where people say oh we know for a fact [TS]

  that the split-brain phenomena is is [TS]

  garbage right this isn't this isn't true [TS]

  and one of the things that just kept [TS]

  making me suspicious is in all of these [TS]

  studies there are limited ways to [TS]

  communicate with the silent hemisphere [TS]

  with with the brain that can talk and [TS]

  it's clear from reading some of the [TS]

  studies that the silent hemisphere it [TS]

  can read right it can it can understand [TS]

  written language right it can point to [TS]

  answers it can do all of this kind of [TS]

  stuff and in reading a bunch of these [TS]

  studies spanning over decades it felt [TS]

  like none of these studies ever got past [TS]

  the party trick phase right the kind of [TS]

  stuff that I talk about in the video [TS]

  like yes you can have it select a [TS]

  different block right you can have it [TS]

  disagree with the main hemisphere but I [TS]

  kept feeling like if there are [TS]

  scientists who are working on this for [TS]

  decades and there are some people who [TS]

  made their whole careers out of studying [TS]

  split-brain phenomena on em it always [TS]

  felt to me like why doesn't this ever go [TS]

  further [TS]

  the obvious question to me would be like [TS]

  okay let's try to communicate with the [TS]

  silent hemisphere more than just asking [TS]

  yes no questions [TS]

  let's try to get it to write answers [TS]

  like we have time we have decades of [TS]

  time let's try to ask the right [TS]

  hemisphere [TS]

  what does it think is going on because [TS]

  the left hemisphere this is that this is [TS]

  a thing again everybody's brain does [TS]

  it's a thing that you can notice in [TS]

  yourself sometimes the left brain has [TS]

  this confabulation effect where it wants [TS]

  to weave together a coherent story about [TS]

  events that have occurred in its past [TS]

  and you can pull hilarious tricks on [TS]

  normal people just with this kind of [TS]

  stuff like it's just something that [TS]

  those brains do so you're kind of not [TS]

  going to get a useful answer out of the [TS]

  regular talking hemisphere but does the [TS]

  right hemisphere do that too [TS]

  we don't know because I could never find [TS]

  any papers that went into this in any [TS]

  yep everything was always a party trick [TS]

  in a way of getting some disagreement [TS]

  but never going too far and i was a [TS]

  little bit suspicious about that and and [TS]

  what it made me think of was Hans the [TS]

  horse haha the horse was this this horse [TS]

  know whatever wasn't like the early [TS]

  nineteen hundreds that could supposedly [TS]

  do math like you could ask the horse [TS]

  math questions and i would click its [TS]

  hopes the number of times for the answer [TS]

  right it would stop it was for the [TS]

  number that i wanted [TS]

  yeah it would always get the math right [TS]

  and there were two things that were [TS]

  occurring here one of which was that the [TS]

  trainer was unintentionally unknowing to [TS]

  the trainer giving little signals to the [TS]

  horse of when to stop [TS]

  like when tells yeah a little-little [TS]

  tells and there are a couple of examples [TS]

  of taking on the horse away from the [TS]

  actual trainer and answering math [TS]

  questions it was still able to get it [TS]

  right but the thesis is that essentially [TS]

  the horse was reading the audience right [TS]

  that people are getting more and more [TS]

  tense as the horse gets closer to the [TS]

  correct answer and then kind of relieved [TS]

  when the horse doesn't and I don't know [TS]

  some of the split brain stuff like it [TS]

  just put a little doubt in my head of is [TS]

  maybe what's occurring people have a [TS]

  broken brain but the investigator it is [TS]

  kind of leading them down this path so [TS]

  that these phenomena are the same all [TS]

  the time and the only reason I worry [TS]

  about that is just partly because all of [TS]

  these papers are so old [TS]

  because this is not a surgery that's [TS]

  done anymore because there aren't very [TS]

  many of these people around and it's [TS]

  just like I just don't know there's like [TS]

  a trainee nickel in the back of my mind [TS]

  that that maybe this is one of those [TS]

  those cases like cases with false [TS]

  memories where the investigator is [TS]

  putting something into the mind of other [TS]

  people and so I just like a tiny doubt [TS]

  about this [TS]

  I don't know ok ok that's so that's the [TS]

  first little chink in the armor that's [TS]

  all and 8 i'm gonna bring your Jenga [TS]

  tower down over the years but but again [TS]

  my view of it reading through all this [TS]

  stuff was that was not the king [TS]

  like if I really thought that was the [TS]

  case i would have made this video in an [TS]

  entirely different way or not have made [TS]

  yeah but anything that i was just aware [TS]

  of like all this stuff is really old all [TS]

  of these different papers over different [TS]

  years are showing this this exact same [TS]

  kind of stuff and I just see no progress [TS]

  ever loved somebody trying to [TS]

  investigate the silent hemisphere i will [TS]

  just mention briefly the creepiest thing [TS]

  which I i left out of the video but [TS]

  there's one paper which is called [TS]

  conflicting communicative behavior in [TS]

  split-brain patient support for dual [TS]

  consciousness by Victor mark is an old [TS]

  paper with one of these patients but the [TS]

  freakish thing here is that this guy [TS]

  found a patient that had speech centers [TS]

  in both brains which is actually [TS]

  something that occasionally occurs in [TS]

  the population like not everybody has [TS]

  the speed sensor localized to one [TS]

  hemisphere some people do have it in [TS]

  both and so this guy happen to find [TS]

  someone who was both a split brain [TS]

  patient and had speech hemispheres in [TS]

  both brains that's the fairytale it's [TS]

  remarkable but it's super creepy because [TS]

  he was able to get this patient to [TS]

  verbally disagree with herself so he [TS]

  would ask her questions about what's in [TS]

  your hand or you know can you feel [TS]

  something in your hand and she would [TS]

  essentially argue like yes no yes no and [TS]

  then would yell at herself that [TS]

  something is right and something is not [TS]

  right and the thing that I thought was [TS]

  it was just kind of like sad and creepy [TS]

  was he describes how she would get like [TS]

  really upset during these experiments [TS]

  and up at one point would say to the [TS]

  experimenter why do I lie to you like [TS]

  she's not able to explain her own [TS]

  scenario and something i'm reading [TS]

  through this paper i'm like this seems [TS]

  like oh this but i must have found the [TS]

  gold mine here right this is finally [TS]

  going to be the case where somebody is [TS]

  asking the other hemisphere like what [TS]

  does it think is going on but even with [TS]

  this was like wow of course know this [TS]

  patient happened to be mentally [TS]

  subnormal so like apparently he wasn't [TS]

  able to investigate or talk to the other [TS]

  hemisphere very well it's like [TS]

  I don't know it was just like everything [TS]

  worked out this way I don't know it's it [TS]

  was strange [TS]

  it's a weird weird project to research I [TS]

  mean I felt there like we're veering [TS]

  towards the issue of people who don't [TS]

  have split brains but have multiple [TS]

  personality disorders yet I mean do you [TS]

  think that's a whole separate thing or [TS]

  is this evidence of people having [TS]

  multiple consciousnesses or did you even [TS]

  go there [TS]

  this is one of these rabbit holes that I [TS]

  felt like I couldn't go fully down but [TS]

  obviously there is a lot of overlap here [TS]

  for a question of what is a multiple [TS]

  personality disorder or think that I [TS]

  think the modern term for it is like [TS]

  dissociative identity disorder it [TS]

  definitely like points in that direction [TS]

  as a place to go like maybe this is part [TS]

  of the explanation for what is occurring [TS]

  in those kinds of disorders you have [TS]

  other hemispheres are other parts of the [TS]

  brain that are way more active than they [TS]

  would otherwise be who knows who knows [TS]

  it's all very strange and i think this [TS]

  stuff is super interesting because [TS]

  consciousness is intrinsic to [TS]

  everybody's life [TS]

  well most people's lives probably but [TS]

  his maybe never explainable and I think [TS]

  that this split brain stuff is is the [TS]

  most concrete stuff that I could kind of [TS]

  point2 to talk about to say like maybe [TS]

  our experience of consciousness is [TS]

  different than what we think it is I [TS]

  think it's totally explainable cgpgrey [TS]

  is called it the miracle of the universe [TS]