Hello Internet

H.I. #66: A Classic Episode

 

  so great looking through our projected [TS]

  notes here I think potentially we have a [TS]

  classic hello Internet episode all the [TS]

  major food groups are represented here [TS]

  oh boy oh boy reading between the lines [TS]

  that means it's an episode you're gonna [TS]

  dread when I think of what Brady [TS]

  imagines to be a classic episode of [TS]

  Hello internet all i can think of is [TS]

  many many Brady segments that pretty [TS]

  much sums it up after my success last [TS]

  week for the second episode in a row i'm [TS]

  gonna try to open up without listening [TS]

  message listener interaction because you [TS]

  know i love them and I know you hate [TS]

  them [TS]

  I know but no I'm not gonna let you get [TS]

  away with that I don't hate them [TS]

  I only include them if they're [TS]

  interesting are asked the difference [TS]

  I to enjoy the interesting ones that's [TS]

  why I leave them in [TS]

  ok let's see how this one fares i went [TS]

  to what I sometimes referred to as the [TS]

  hello Internet postbox the other day [TS]

  okay [TS]

  essentially this is my post box if [TS]

  there's something you want to send a [TS]

  gray do not send it to this box because [TS]

  i will be in it i would not give it to [TS]

  gray because i cannot set that precedent [TS]

  you mean your peel box that's what [TS]

  you're talking about the one we used for [TS]

  the election that's the hello Internet [TS]

  post yes exactly [TS]

  ok so i went along I went along for a [TS]

  check hoping there might be a few new [TS]

  postcards there was a package know there [TS]

  are several packages actually oh my that [TS]

  sounds like something i would hand over [TS]

  to the police [TS]

  well yes anyway I open this package it [TS]

  is a book now for background people [TS]

  might remember my thoughts on the book [TS]

  getting things done by david allen this [TS]

  is a book that gray I think holding [TS]

  quite high regard and i did not enjoy [TS]

  this book so much the extent where i got [TS]

  a refund on my audio book because I [TS]

  didn't want it and my hardcopy we [TS]

  auctioned for charity I wanted this book [TS]

  out of my life this book was not for me [TS]

  i will i will put the the show where we [TS]

  discussed it one of my favorites in the [TS]

  show notes again I think you [TS]

  misrepresent me here i'm not exactly [TS]

  sure that it was unambiguous hold in [TS]

  high regard on my part but I will [TS]

  let the listeners decided that was a [TS]

  fair characterization ok anyway like a [TS]

  bad penny [TS]

  someone has sent me a copy of this book [TS]

  it's got another copy [TS]

  I'm thinking now what's all this about [TS]

  so I open it up and on the inside cover [TS]

  the front inside cover whoever has said [TS]

  this has inscribed a small flag flag so [TS]

  immediately allowing bells start ringing [TS]

  this is obviously a mischief-maker rebel [TS]

  scum rides they're up to no good [TS]

  obviously uh-huh and then on the next [TS]

  page insert it between the pages is a [TS]

  beer coaster like a beer mat with a web [TS]

  address on it uh-huh [TS]

  and I'm thinking our knife what's going [TS]

  on here this is dodgy and it's an in [TS]

  girl in general however i'm supposed to [TS]

  pronounce that address so they want me [TS]

  to look at some photo huh [TS]

  but then before I look at the photo i [TS]

  turn the next page i love that you keep [TS]

  going into this yeah who knows what's [TS]

  coming but Brady is going to find out [TS]

  right [TS]

  ok it's an adventure now on the next [TS]

  page which is kind of like the title [TS]

  page is an inscription ok what does that [TS]

  say it says to Brady Haran give it [TS]

  another go [TS]

  i'm gonna guess is that like David [TS]

  Allen's signature on the buyer is david [TS]

  allen signature because if you go to the [TS]

  in girly which i'm sending you now we [TS]

  have someone who I don't know who this [TS]

  is [TS]

  they're obviously a mysterious Tim and [TS]

  holding a copy of the book standing with [TS]

  David Allen had a book signing [TS]

  so he is obviously taken his book up to [TS]

  David Allen and asked him to sign it to [TS]

  me asking me to give it another go [TS]

  that is fantastic a few things come into [TS]

  my mind when I say this the first is I [TS]

  have to say David Allen has gone up a [TS]

  few pegs in my standing O has e yeah but [TS]

  secondly how did the interaction work [TS]

  what did he say to dave allen when he [TS]

  was asked him to sign the book and say [TS]

  can you please say you know to Brady [TS]

  give it another go [TS]

  he must have had to explain our this [TS]

  podcast and there's this guy and you [TS]

  really slept off your book and [TS]

  said it was really boring and he like [TS]

  got rid of these copies and so you [TS]

  should listen to the episode it's really [TS]

  entertaining as put it in the show notes [TS]

  how do you think that unfolded that [TS]

  interaction i'm gonna get here is the [TS]

  thing the way you imagine stuff radius [TS]

  that someone goes into all of the [TS]

  details but i would suspect that this [TS]

  this magnificent him has pulled this off [TS]

  it would simply just say oh I have a [TS]

  friend who tried the book and didn't [TS]

  like it could you give them a suggestion [TS]

  to give it another try [TS]

  I think that's the fastest way in a book [TS]

  signing line to get the basic just a bit [TS]

  across I don't know great maybe I'm [TS]

  reading too much into the picture but if [TS]

  you zoom in on David Allen's face in [TS]

  that picture i sent you [TS]

  he doesn't look happy he does look a [TS]

  little bit like he's been cornered into [TS]

  doing something he didn't want to do or [TS]

  am I just reading too much into that was [TS]

  on the cover [TS]

  he looks all smarmy and tanned and happy [TS]

  and california and in this picture he [TS]

  looks a bit like just get me out of him [TS]

  and get me out of this photo looking at [TS]

  the picture i can see why you think that [TS]

  it also looks like maybe he is [TS]

  suppressing a bit of a smile like maybe [TS]

  he thinks this is some kind of funny [TS]

  situation [TS]

  his expression is hard to read but [TS]

  you're right maybe he just got cornered [TS]

  he wants to get out of there and it's [TS]

  someone has just told him and overly [TS]

  long overly detailed story in order to [TS]

  get them to sign his book ID like the [TS]

  term magnificent Tim I can't help but [TS]

  wonder it must be a weird experience to [TS]

  do a book signing of the book where your [TS]

  own faces on the cover where everyone is [TS]

  constantly handing you a book with a [TS]

  picture of you smiling at you to then [TS]

  sign if I was an author I wouldn't want [TS]

  my face on the cover of the book i would [TS]

  find that a weird situation signing [TS]

  books with my own face on it I think if [TS]

  you've signed off on having your face on [TS]

  the cover you're the sort of person who [TS]

  would probably quite enjoy signing a [TS]

  book with your face on the cover [TS]

  you might have a point that i might not [TS]

  be thinking this through all the way [TS]

  this is an excellence excellence [TS]

  listener interaction i don't see any way [TS]

  that I can possibly cut this from the [TS]

  show which makes you two for two in your [TS]

  gambling of openings are very well done [TS]

  brady and thankee magnificent team [TS]

  whoever you are if you if you do [TS]

  here this tell us about this interaction [TS]

  with david allen we want to hear every [TS]

  detail every nuance every every tick [TS]

  every every little bit of body language [TS]

  on a full briefing [TS]

  yes he wants to hear that all that full [TS]

  briefing it might not make it to the [TS]

  next show you owe me one hundred dollars [TS]

  breathing well after I made that play [TS]

  with you and for those who forgotten [TS]

  great went to VidCon and I made a bet [TS]

  that he would get dragged up to do like [TS]

  a panel or talk or something like that [TS]

  mhm and he bet me a hundred dollars he [TS]

  wouldn't em and on the face of our [TS]

  thought that was a good bet and very [TS]

  quickly after making it I realized it [TS]

  was a mistake and it wasn't a mistake [TS]

  for the reason that you think it's a [TS]

  mistake okay it wasn't a mistake because [TS]

  gray is like a recluse or shy or doesn't [TS]

  like attention [TS]

  uh-huh that those things are true but [TS]

  grades also like you know you do do [TS]

  public things now [TS]

  uh-huh and you've started doing more of [TS]

  it and also you are like a nice guy and [TS]

  someone who likes to please his friends [TS]

  and his colleagues ok interesting i [TS]

  think it's true you will help your [TS]

  friends if they ask you and I imagine a [TS]

  scenario where someone was going to say [TS]

  you gray come up and do this panel I [TS]

  help us out with this Q&A because you [TS]

  know everyone that's great to be a nice [TS]

  surprise and I thought put in that [TS]

  situation you would agree to it [TS]

  the thing that I didn't take into [TS]

  account is Howard likely it was that [TS]

  would happen [TS]

  mm because people don't like giving up [TS]

  their stage and what and what first and [TS]

  doing a clear an area panel is going to [TS]

  want to give up their limelight to [TS]

  someone else you know these are like in [TS]

  a YouTube celebrities who loves the [TS]

  limelight so it suddenly occurred to me [TS]

  hang on [TS]

  great probably won't even get asked to [TS]

  do this so you never have to refuse to [TS]

  come on [TS]

  did you get asked I when interacting [TS]

  with people essentially pre shut down [TS]

  any discussion of joining any panels by [TS]

  always saying oh I'm just here is a [TS]

  civilian [TS]

  I'm just here as a tourist i'm not doing [TS]

  anything I'm just here as a normal guy [TS]

  just a normal person with [TS]

  VidCon pass that's what I was trying to [TS]

  pinch myself to in every single [TS]

  interaction and you know remarkably no i [TS]

  did not get asked to do anything but i [TS]

  also agree with you that I interesting [TS]

  experience of VidCon was over and over [TS]

  realizing like oh this is obviously [TS]

  we're all of the extra verts go [TS]

  I think all of the people who loved to [TS]

  be onstage who love to be in front of [TS]

  huge audiences like by definition if you [TS]

  are a huge youtube star you are probably [TS]

  that kind of person you are probably not [TS]

  a huge introverted like there are [TS]

  exceptions to that but for the most case [TS]

  that's the way it's going to work and so [TS]

  you are definitely right that there may [TS]

  have been an element of who wants to [TS]

  invite an additional person up on their [TS]

  panel nobody nobody wants to do that [TS]

  everybody wants the panel to be as much [TS]

  about them as they can possibly have a [TS]

  big say I mean that's it i was right i [TS]

  mean i was wrong but I was right and why [TS]

  I was wrong as soon as I made the bet I [TS]

  realized my mistake was not graze [TS]

  introversion it was everyone else's [TS]

  extraversion it's their unwillingness to [TS]

  share the limelight so I are you a [TS]

  hundred dollars you owe me a hundred [TS]

  dollars and because of breaks at which [TS]

  we may discuss later i need to do a bit [TS]

  of horse trading about what the best way [TS]

  to give you that money will be stressed [TS]

  the pound plummets I don't know how I'm [TS]

  gonna do this but i'll try and find a [TS]

  way to do it they went bankrupt me right [TS]

  $100 or 5,000 path so I lost the bet so [TS]

  while i was at VidCon we had just [TS]

  recorded that morning and we had her big [TS]

  discussion about the snapchat how does [TS]

  it work and why ? and for the entirety [TS]

  of VidCon our friend Destin [TS]

  smartereveryday just kept pushing me to [TS]

  join snapshots that do that dude he's [TS]

  like a snapchat drug pusher every [TS]

  conversation I think he must have stuck [TS]

  in the snapchat i honest to god that was [TS]

  what i was thinking feels like you are [TS]

  so pushing this i'm just going to assume [TS]

  that you're a secret co-founder of [TS]

  snapchat [TS]

  nothing else makes any sense here and it [TS]

  was one of those things where the more [TS]

  someone talked the less unless i was [TS]

  convinced every second right so like we [TS]

  had this whole conversation where you [TS]

  tried to explain it to me and then I had [TS]

  destined showing me all of the amazing [TS]

  things that you could do on snapchat [TS]

  including a moment which I totally loved [TS]

  where we were just having as you do I [TS]

  hop for dinner in America and Destin [TS]

  whips out his phone he's like look at [TS]

  this thing that you can do I can just [TS]

  film you and your hands eating your [TS]

  dinner isn't this great this is going to [TS]

  go up on snapchat immediately and people [TS]

  can look at it as I I want nothing to do [TS]

  with this natural thing poker the more [TS]

  you're trying to convince me the less [TS]

  convincing this absolutely is he was [TS]

  super excited about that video he asked [TS]

  me the other day if I want like the [TS]

  original footage I think he thinks it's [TS]

  approved to feel more than the moon [TS]

  landings man prays heads on the snapchat [TS]

  like it was that you know your snapchat [TS]

  debut or something maybe there's [TS]

  something about their video I've missed [TS]

  but I sort of what shouldn't thought [TS]

  it's just a dude filming another dudes [TS]

  hands eating food too and the don'ts [TS]

  sounds and impressed about being filmed [TS]

  and the thing that I didn't even [TS]

  understand it is it seems like snapchat [TS]

  just like twitter has a character limit [TS]

  snapchat has some kind of time limit for [TS]

  what is recording yeah when he was [TS]

  trying to explain it to me it just cuts [TS]

  off in the middle as i get great you're [TS]

  totally selling this thing you're gonna [TS]

  film the thing we're talking about it [TS]

  and then it just cuts off on the middle [TS]

  anyway this is awful but this is dumb [TS]

  this is terrible but it's nonetheless [TS]

  while I mentioned in the last show that [TS]

  I made a little note for my assistant to [TS]

  make me a snapchat just like someone [TS]

  totally out of touch would do after the [TS]

  show i forgot to delete that little [TS]

  instruction and so I have actually ended [TS]

  up with a snapchat and I thought okay [TS]

  just for completeness is sake i'm going [TS]

  to install it on my phone and just see [TS]

  what it looks like and maybe I'll do one [TS]

  thing and then I'll just never do it [TS]

  again and I just want to reiterate a [TS]

  thousandfold your described experience [TS]

  of even installing and using snapchat at [TS]

  all is a completely baffling experience [TS]

  thank you thank you [TS]

  I did have a lot of people saying it [TS]

  wasn't just you ready but having it come [TS]

  from you is vindication because you're [TS]

  you know you're pretty up with the tech [TS]

  I thought you might be exaggerating or [TS]

  just like totally out of touch but like [TS]

  trying to get that thing installed and [TS]

  looking at the stars like you have to [TS]

  put this and can't get this thing take a [TS]

  picture of this and then when it loads [TS]

  up there is no labels on any buttons the [TS]

  button seem intentionally obscure and [TS]

  somehow throughout the entirety of [TS]

  everybody describing it to me and [TS]

  everybody showing it to me i somehow [TS]

  missed it was purely video that there [TS]

  was literally nothing you could do aside [TS]

  from video and as soon as i figure that [TS]

  out I was like I the hell with this i'm [TS]

  just talking to get off my own you can [TS]

  take stills no okay well i didn't get [TS]

  far [TS]

  then why don't you just tell you just [TS]

  tap that video button instead of holding [TS]

  it down [TS]

  oh ok it's completely baffling great i [TS]

  like it's like that scene in movies when [TS]

  people get into the alien spacecraft and [TS]

  there's like four different symbols on [TS]

  the dashboard and yet somehow they still [TS]

  managed to fly the spaceship [TS]

  I don't like that's what the whole world [TS]

  is like with snapchat we're flying the [TS]

  spaceship with symbols and controls none [TS]

  of us understand anyway I just have to [TS]

  completely agree with you i feel like i [TS]

  was glad to have the experience of maybe [TS]

  90 seconds of playing around with [TS]

  snapchat just to see what it was like [TS]

  and then realizing nope i have no place [TS]

  for this in my life it brings me [TS]

  absolutely no utility no matter how much [TS]

  Destin keeps pushing it no matter how [TS]

  much he wants to drive up the value of [TS]

  his stocks and snapchat i am not going [TS]

  to use this thing to be fair it's suits [TS]

  Destin because he's such a nice guy [TS]

  usually charming and he really likes [TS]

  interacting with as many people as [TS]

  possible and he lives in this world [TS]

  where his day lasts 90 hours so he has [TS]

  time to do this as far as i can tell he [TS]

  does not sleep as I said before I think [TS]

  it's less you there has been an [TS]

  interesting development in the world of [TS]

  snapchat since we spoke you know how we [TS]

  have this delusion that like the world [TS]

  changes and continents move based on [TS]

  things we talked about hello Internet [TS]

  I don't think it is a delusion I more [TS]

  episodes we do the more confirmation [TS]

  bias we have for this [TS]

  well you may remember I think I [TS]

  mentioned this on the podcast [TS]

  that was certainly something I felt I [TS]

  felt a frustration about not being able [TS]

  to take past material and media and put [TS]

  it on the snapchat and always had to be [TS]

  immediate like I had to make a picture [TS]

  now and put it on I couldn't go and get [TS]

  get those beautiful pictures from Mount [TS]

  Everest five years ago when brag about [TS]

  that on snapchat because you can't go [TS]

  and get stuff from the vault right for [TS]

  shame [TS]

  yeah the funny thing is within a day or [TS]

  two I realized the error of my ways and [TS]

  I realized the strength of snapchat was [TS]

  this immediacy people couldn't Instagram [TS]

  and make their lives like all amazing it [TS]

  was unvarnished it was like this really [TS]

  nice immediate contact everything [TS]

  disappears in 24 hours you know the [TS]

  blackboard is constantly being white [TS]

  clean and I realized this was what was [TS]

  good about it and I embraced that now [TS]

  and then about day or two after that [TS]

  snapchat and melts they are now allowing [TS]

  people to do the exact thing that I wish [TS]

  they did and now I wish they wouldn't do [TS]

  but they are doing and you can take [TS]

  things from the vault and create this [TS]

  new area of snapchat which I haven't [TS]

  looked at yet and I don't know how it [TS]

  works i think it's called memories or [TS]

  something like that so in addition to [TS]

  your sort of immediate day-to-day story [TS]

  you can now go and get your perfectly [TS]

  crafted photos and photoshop them and [TS]

  have nice vignettes and make everything [TS]

  look perfect and pretty and not the sort [TS]

  of crazy and vanish snapchat which I [TS]

  think works better [TS]

  so it's all change well I trust that now [TS]

  that you have explained to snapchat the [TS]

  errors of their ways they will quickly [TS]

  revert this decision if you've got a [TS]

  phone or a camera or a computer full of [TS]

  photos [TS]

  why not liberate at least some of them [TS]

  into the real world [TS]

  nothing beats having some of your [TS]

  favorite memories hanging on the wall [TS]

  sitting on the mantelpiece or maybe [TS]

  poached on your desk and one of the best [TS]

  ways to do this is with fracture [TS]

  fractures a great service which print [TS]

  your photos onto a piece of glass [TS]

  ready-made for display these bits of [TS]

  glass have a special rigid backing to [TS]

  make sure it's easy to hang but the [TS]

  product is superlight really easy to [TS]

  handle [TS]

  are you going to do is simply upload the [TS]

  picture to their website picker sighs [TS]

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  picture will do the rest at their [TS]

  factory or fracture e in Florida [TS]

  I've done it myself it's painless and a [TS]

  pleasant process I especially recommend [TS]

  fractures as gifts if you've got a [TS]

  relative or a friend or a partner and [TS]

  you're stuck for a gift idea you can [TS]

  never go wrong with a nice sentimental [TS]

  photo and having it fractured in two [TS]

  glasses also a real talking point when [TS]

  you give the president doesn't even have [TS]

  to be a birthday or an anniversary or [TS]

  anything like that just give one as a [TS]

  gift out of the blue that ends you even [TS]

  more brownie points fractures a clean [TS]

  frameless and beautifully finished they [TS]

  come with a 60 day happiness guarantee [TS]

  i'd recommend just having a look at [TS]

  their website to get you started that [TS]

  explains everything really well and [TS]

  there's lots of pictures showing how it [TS]

  all works and what the finished product [TS]

  is gonna look like that website is [TS]

  fracture me.com fracture me.com if you [TS]

  do order something you'll get ten [TS]

  percent of your first order by using the [TS]

  code [TS]

  hello internet that's ten percent off [TS]

  hello internet and no no you came from [TS]

  the show thank you to fracture for their [TS]

  support and seriously give them a look [TS]

  it's a really nifty product so we have [TS]

  to talk about flags if we're going to [TS]

  have a classic episode well and we [TS]

  probably have to talk about emojis [TS]

  okay I have an emoji flag story how do [TS]

  you a submission has been prepared and [TS]

  again i'll try and link to it i think [TS]

  it's been done by these people from [TS]

  emoji pedia and you know people in the [TS]

  emoji world have put in this formal [TS]

  submission to whoever you have to [TS]

  formally submit things to to have emojis [TS]

  recognized to have the home nation flags [TS]

  made into official emojis because at the [TS]

  moment there is the Union Jack [TS]

  representing the United Kingdom but [TS]

  there is no england flag there is no [TS]

  wireless flag there's no Scotland flag [TS]

  and I've actually found that quite [TS]

  frustrating there have been times [TS]

  believe are not where I wanted to use [TS]

  those flags and have been unable to [TS]

  literally not more than three hours ago [TS]

  I wanted to send someone in England [TS]

  Wales emoji flag thing and discovered [TS]

  for the very first time that those whole [TS]

  nation flags don't exist i just assume [TS]

  that they would be there but there [TS]

  that yeah so I know there are sort of [TS]

  thin end of the wedge and you can open [TS]

  the floodgates and where does this stop [TS]

  but i think the home nations should be [TS]

  in the emoji sphere and i hope that this [TS]

  submission was successful [TS]

  well I mean if they're going to do the [TS]

  whole nation flags i think they [TS]

  absolutely have to do all 50 states [TS]

  flags i think there's no way around that [TS]

  no this is not the case because I beg to [TS]

  disagree and obviously have to do the [TS]

  Liberian County flags but yes of course [TS]

  right just for funsies those need to be [TS]

  in there yes i agree but this whole [TS]

  nation thing has been causing [TS]

  significant problems for example the [TS]

  european football championships which [TS]

  are finishing today as we record the [TS]

  fire was actually on shortly [TS]

  there's no united kingdom team in that [TS]

  there's all these international teams [TS]

  and we have when I was competing and we [TS]

  have England the same is true of the [TS]

  world cup of football now Texas and [TS]

  California who and Nevada and whatever [TS]

  don't have teams competing at the world [TS]

  cup but Scotland and Wales and England [TS]

  are these are countries that states that [TS]

  actually causes formatting problems with [TS]

  some people who depend on emojis when [TS]

  all these tourneys take place and I mean [TS]

  I know there's more to the world and [TS]

  sport but it's going to say yes I find [TS]

  your solely because there are sports [TS]

  competing things not super convincing [TS]

  home nations and sports is always such a [TS]

  confusing weird historical thing that [TS]

  occurs that doesn't necessarily make any [TS]

  sense whatsoever especially when you [TS]

  look at the population breakdown of [TS]

  Scotland Wales Northern Ireland we know [TS]

  versus other places so I'm definitely [TS]

  gonna say this that if the home nations [TS]

  get accepted i think the moji committee [TS]

  or whoever is in charge of this i think [TS]

  they have to do the individual state [TS]

  flags i think there's no argument around [TS]

  this i don't find your sports than [TS]

  convincing just seriously for a moment [TS]

  you seriously believe that [TS]

  yeah I think they should do the state [TS]

  flags what about the state flags [TS]

  Australia you know I mean let's be [TS]

  honest who cares are so America can have [TS]

  a statement exactly right exactly right [TS]

  listen but who cares right nobody often [TS]

  have you ever want to use a state flag [TS]

  for one of the states and australia [TS]

  never right [TS]

  how often does someone from Texas want [TS]

  to use a Texas flag emoji [TS]

  I bet every day of their life Texans are [TS]

  sad that they don't have an official [TS]

  Texas emoji to use I bet there's an [TS]

  everyday sad texans in their hats [TS]

  yeah well it's been an emoji of like a [TS]

  cowboy hat or something it's not the [TS]

  same as Texas you know and and think of [TS]

  all of those states they could have such [TS]

  a beautiful field of barely [TS]

  distinguishable blue icons with some [TS]

  kind of muddy yellow logo in the center [TS]

  each of them to pick from it could be [TS]

  amazing i can already foresee the day [TS]

  we're on the 4-inch screen of my iphone [TS]

  SE e I'm trying to distinguish the new [TS]

  york state flag by looking for a tiny [TS]

  Excelsior written at the bottom of a [TS]

  banner or a smiling Sun face in the [TS]

  middle of a field in the background [TS]

  trying to distinguish that from all of [TS]

  the varying his other blue flags with [TS]

  the seal in the center i look forward to [TS]

  that day it could an emoji possibly [TS]

  contain the spectacular horror that is [TS]

  the maryland state flag [TS]

  I wonder how many pixels by how many [TS]

  pixels a standard emoji is and I know [TS]

  Apple did just make an announcement that [TS]

  they're going to and begin their emoji [TS]

  by three times even still I can easily [TS]

  imagine that when you have to pick it [TS]

  out in that tiny little keyboard at the [TS]

  bottom there is simply no way to [TS]

  distinguish the flags and the parallel [TS]

  in flag at least you'll be able to pick [TS]

  it out but how much detail will [TS]

  accurately represent of their flag [TS]

  I bet none in all seriousness I do [TS]

  realize there would be a greater demand [TS]

  for American state flags than any other [TS]

  state flags of course that you cannot [TS]

  put the American state flags in at the [TS]

  expense of other country states and [TS]

  counties whereas I think the home [TS]

  nations of the UK while not being quite [TS]

  as fully fledged get angry Scottish [TS]

  people as other countries i think has a [TS]

  higher ranking and should be brought [TS]

  into the fold before we even have the [TS]

  conversation about state flags [TS]

  yeah but like how many people even live [TS]

  in Wales have to look this up now [TS]

  thank you a hundred thousand people hey [TS]

  they just made the semi-finals of the [TS]

  euro [TS]

  more people live in Wales than Iceland [TS]

  maybe I haven't checked that fact yeah i [TS]

  know i was a whatever whatever we got [TS]

  here well how many people do live in was [TS]

  ok there three million people in Wales [TS]

  oh that's white bigger than Iceland and [TS]

  I should get an emoji that's true [TS]

  iceland you get an emoji but at least [TS]

  they are a fully sovereign nation make [TS]

  them look like they're on the world [TS]

  stage there agree and that's why they're [TS]

  in and why was is not yet but i think [TS]

  what else needs to come in before [TS]

  something even less sovereign like [TS]

  Maryland but the sovereignty matter or [TS]

  does it is the number of that you put it [TS]

  up [TS]

  I'm just saying like we have to start [TS]

  somewhere right it's like okay we're [TS]

  starting with all the sovereign nations [TS]

  ok obviously done although actually do [TS]

  they have all of the flags for the [TS]

  nation's I don't even know I'm sure [TS]

  there's some nation out there that's [TS]

  really angry [TS]

  is there a vatican city flag i don't [TS]

  actually now I wonder but after that I [TS]

  think you have to start looking at [TS]

  populations and that's why I think you [TS]

  have to go with those state flags figure [TS]

  you know California Texas New York [TS]

  there's hundreds of millions of people [TS]

  that live in those states will hang on [TS]

  there are we gonna start having like [TS]

  provinces of China before we have Texas [TS]

  then because they've got more people I [TS]

  can get behind that [TS]

  galloway we've made it clear that the [TS]

  decision is based on sovereignty that [TS]

  decision has been made [TS]

  ok so we did the sovereignty level and [TS]

  then I think after sovereignty then you [TS]

  start looking at like what's the market [TS]

  demand for a California emoji versus a [TS]

  northern ireland emoji [TS]

  okay great i'm on with you then so are [TS]

  you now saying if all the Texans want a [TS]

  Texas emoji with some little tiny state [TS]

  I don't know what's the smallest state [TS]

  in America hadn't even know what's the [TS]

  smallest population like a Wyoming of [TS]

  course when is it OK [TS]

  why me and say there's not much demand [TS]

  from them [TS]

  does that mean they don't get into the [TS]

  emoji but Texas do or because we have [TS]

  one state flag of America we get all the [TS]

  state flags at once you have to do them [TS]

  as a collection right we do them as a [TS]

  collection has 1st argument okay can [TS]

  start with the Chinese provinces do them [TS]

  all as a collection and then move on to [TS]

  the american states there's only so much [TS]

  labor we have in the world to create all [TS]

  of these emoji can you hear that great [TS]

  can you hear that sound [TS]

  what sound is that the scent of your [TS]

  argument crashing down [TS]

  Angie I think it's perfectly solid we [TS]

  have all the nations and then let's [TS]

  start going through everything else in [TS]

  the world by population divisions as [TS]

  sets though haha but i think i did [TS]

  notice in the submission and I could be [TS]

  wrong on this in this submission they [TS]

  were going for Scotland Wales and [TS]

  England but i don't remember saying [TS]

  northern ireland in the submit a seat [TS]

  now it's not even consistent if that's [TS]

  true that is inconsistent maybe it's not [TS]

  true but i did want to quickly ask you [TS]

  because you know we just love talking [TS]

  about flags and this is a classic [TS]

  episode right doors [TS]

  I know how you feel about the Union Jack [TS]

  you think it's awesome how do you feel [TS]

  about the flags of england scotland and [TS]

  in particular White House i love that [TS]

  size just it says to me grace taking [TS]

  this really seriously and you so rarely [TS]

  take me seriously but it makes me feel [TS]

  good [TS]

  it's like you settle again suddenly i'm [TS]

  not i'm not just gonna shoot from the [TS]

  hip on that one [TS]

  this is going to require consideration [TS]

  why shoot-from-the-hip I don't think I [TS]

  shoot-from-the-hip I don't think you put [TS]

  a lot of thought into your answers when [TS]

  i ask you questions about say the black [TS]

  stump I think you I think you just say [TS]

  anything to shut me up but when you go [TS]

  oh I can feel your brain warming up as [TS]

  you start thinking about it and I feel [TS]

  about those various flags I mean the [TS]

  England what makes me kind of sleepy i [TS]

  think the England one is a little boring [TS]

  era you know what I mean that literally [TS]

  get kinda sleepy when I look at it yeah [TS]

  but you know what those really really [TS]

  boring flags like England which is for [TS]

  those who don't know it's just white [TS]

  with a red cross on it right [TS]

  those flags say to me this country's old [TS]

  man this country's seen some stuff [TS]

  because the more boring your flag [TS]

  usually the older you are because you [TS]

  didn't have to do anything complicated [TS]

  because they weren't that many other [TS]

  flags to compete with so when someone's [TS]

  gotta really really boring flag that [TS]

  says to me you got you going to take [TS]

  them seriously man they've seen stuff [TS]

  you can't even imagine like if you're a [TS]

  new country like America it's like I [TS]

  let's just check some stars on there and [TS]

  some struck now more stars more stars [TS]

  we're going to be going to bring this [TS]

  baby up man [TS]

  we got to get noticed was England's like [TS]

  we don't need to be noticed man like [TS]

  where England move just a cross on a [TS]

  white background [TS]

  yeah well yeah well that's all we had [TS]

  when we were making flags stars hadn't [TS]

  even been invented yet [TS]

  yeah and also we couldn't die cloth so [TS]

  that's why i like it i guess i can try [TS]

  to incorporate that into my thoughts on [TS]

  it but it's still just kind of makes me [TS]

  sleepy [TS]

  ok it scotland which is the what's [TS]

  called the South tires enough st. [TS]

  Andrew's cross is that it says here on [TS]

  my google thats altai is another term [TS]

  for st. Andrew's cross okay even though [TS]

  in theory the scottish flag is [TS]

  essentially kinda like the same as the [TS]

  English flag because it's just now a [TS]

  white cross on a blue background [TS]

  I feel like the scottish flag is so much [TS]

  more exciting it doesn't make me sleepy [TS]

  at all looking at it I definitely give a [TS]

  thumbs-up to scottish flag without a [TS]

  doubt yet I I have to agree with you [TS]

  after a great i like the navy blue the [TS]

  background of it i just i think it's i [TS]

  think it's very good color would you say [TS]

  navy blue yeah maybe [TS]

  navy blue is not right navy blues too [TS]

  dark i do not have a word in my [TS]

  vocabulary for the color of blue that [TS]

  the scottish flag is but I feel like it [TS]

  is identifiable as this Scotland black [TS]

  color I definitely like it [TS]

  alright then what do we have here I mean [TS]

  the way I was flag I'm very curious to [TS]

  hear what you think of it I mean you [TS]

  have to talk about the Ulster banner for [TS]

  Northern Ireland well i think in keeping [TS]

  with this submission maybe we should [TS]

  just pretend it doesn't exist [TS]

  ok sorry Northern Ireland we're gonna [TS]

  skip it for today which actually makes [TS]

  sense automatically for a thing that I'm [TS]

  going to show you and ask about so wails [TS]

  I don't know I don't know about the [TS]

  whales flag [TS]

  I'm never quite sure what to think about [TS]

  it because on one hand they have a [TS]

  dragon which takes up most of the flag [TS]

  and dragons are awesome [TS]

  it's hard to argue against dragons but [TS]

  at the same time I'm not really sure [TS]

  that I like that dragon I think for like [TS]

  with many flag designs can suffer from [TS]

  being overly complicated and yet kind of [TS]

  childish at the same time hmmm i have [TS]

  funny mixed feelings about that dragon [TS]

  this is probably the best way to [TS]

  summarize my thoughts in the whales flag [TS]

  the further away from it i am the more I [TS]

  like it [TS]

  the closer I get to the whales flag [TS]

  probably the less i like it i think the [TS]

  word flag is awesome [TS]

  mm but i realized that i probably [TS]

  shouldn't and I realize you probably [TS]

  shouldn't I mean certainly no child [TS]

  could draw because that dragon is [TS]

  incredibly complicated right and you're [TS]

  right it is a weird mixture sort of [TS]

  childish and complicated when I don't [TS]

  know I just I think it's one of those [TS]

  things that's just been part of my life [TS]

  for so long that I kind of ignore that [TS]

  side of a I just think it works just [TS]

  switch the country and I don't know if [TS]

  it's because actually sort of the [TS]

  country or have just been associated for [TS]

  so long in my head that I cannot [TS]

  disentangle them but right this is of [TS]

  course the Association problem at all [TS]

  the flags have for you you're wrapping [TS]

  up your feelings of the nation with the [TS]

  flag itself in a way that's impossible [TS]

  to distinguish yeah and i really like [TS]

  way I was a nobody like Welsh people [TS]

  because I'm not English most English [TS]

  people don't but i'm not actually [TS]

  English of course I'm Australian and [TS]

  because Welsh people hate english people [TS]

  and Australian say English people I feel [TS]

  like they're my brothers [TS]

  Wow [TS]

  leave your comments on the Red Planet [TS]

  some e+ tribalism right there Brady do [TS]

  it [TS]

  it all comes down to sport so i think [TS]

  i'll ask your opinion on is I actually [TS]

  think that the welsh dragon looks better [TS]

  simply as an outline which I've seen in [TS]

  a few design motifs like if you just [TS]

  color the whole thing in his red i think [TS]

  it's interesting and there is a proposed [TS]

  version of the union jack flag which I [TS]

  would like your opinion on which [TS]

  combines the whales flag into it because [TS]

  right now there is no whales iconography [TS]

  on the Union Jack as it stands so i have [TS]

  sent you an image and i'm curious to see [TS]

  what you think of this flag [TS]

  ok now file fail not just because it's [TS]

  too BTW now and too complicated and the [TS]

  Dragons too small but also what great [TS]

  has sent me is essentially the Union [TS]

  Jack with a little tiny dragon right in [TS]

  the middle and it almost puts too much [TS]

  emphasis on the dragon because [TS]

  everything's pointing at her and it [TS]

  spread the center and suddenly makes [TS]

  while seem like it's the center of [TS]

  everything that's a big fail [TS]

  big fail big pile what about you what do [TS]

  you think of that I think it's [TS]

  interesting but it's also one of these [TS]

  things like mandatory voting that I can [TS]

  ever come to a solid opinion on every [TS]

  once in awhile i remember this design of [TS]

  flag with the whales dragon in the [TS]

  center exist and i go back and look at [TS]

  it and I can never quite make up my mind [TS]

  about whether I like it or whether I [TS]

  don't just like with mandatory voting go [TS]

  back and forth forever for 20 years [TS]

  about whether i think it's a good idea [TS]

  or not and i feel that exact same way [TS]

  about this flag you can't mess with the [TS]

  Union Jack pray that's like if you get a [TS]

  mess with that when you stop you don't [TS]

  get me wrong I would never propose that [TS]

  we actually changed to this flag is just [TS]

  a question of do I think this is an [TS]

  interesting design or not but now the [TS]

  union jack is an amazing flag that will [TS]

  hopefully but possibly not live forever [TS]

  I am k to talk to you about Tesla em [TS]

  because we didn't talk about last time [TS]

  but i know you had a ride and in a Tesla [TS]

  for the first time you break your [TS]

  Tessler virginity I want to know what [TS]

  you think about it now you've been in [TS]

  one [TS]

  it's like obviously it's all more real i [TS]

  was wondering if you tell me anything [TS]

  about I haven't asked you on or off the [TS]

  air and I'm really getting to know ya so [TS]

  our mutual friend Marco Arment actually [TS]

  gave me a ride in his Tesla and that was [TS]

  part of my travels this summer when I i [TS]

  went to new york and it just worked out [TS]

  that I happen to be able to possibly [TS]

  meet up with Marco and then he dangled [TS]

  the idea of being able to ride in a [TS]

  Tesla in front of me and I was like sold [TS]

  ok I have to make this happen now so i [TS]

  went up to meet him and yeah we've got [TS]

  to drive around in the test out for a [TS]

  little while and I mean first of all [TS]

  Tesla's are just super cool cars there's [TS]

  no doubt about that like they just look [TS]

  cool from the outside and nice-looking [TS]

  yeah and I had never actually sat in one [TS]

  on the inside and on the inside as well [TS]

  like the test those are just cool [TS]

  everything about them is super sleek I [TS]

  think and one of the things that I [TS]

  wanted to see in the test level were [TS]

  driving around that is hard to get a [TS]

  sense of from just looking at pictures [TS]

  is how does this big screen [TS]

  work in the center because that such the [TS]

  different thing about the interior of [TS]

  that car versus other cars so I kept [TS]

  looking out on the road I guess we're [TS]

  driving around trying to see how does [TS]

  this screen work in my peripheral vision [TS]

  and especially because i am someone who [TS]

  the older I get I find I have more and [TS]

  more motion sickness and cars if I look [TS]

  down and look up even briefly to read [TS]

  those kind of curious to see like if I'm [TS]

  looking at the the window and then [TS]

  looking down the screen looking back up [TS]

  and have to say because the screen is so [TS]

  huge I think it really works on the [TS]

  interior and it was nice to see that [TS]

  they had thought through a bunch of [TS]

  clever design elements about how to [TS]

  control a bunch of things from the [TS]

  steering wheel or sections of the screen [TS]

  that never ever ever changed so that [TS]

  like in the bottom corners you can [TS]

  always have muscle memory for making the [TS]

  car do certain things I think like [TS]

  temperature controls and some other [TS]

  stuff was down there so from the inside [TS]

  I was very very impressed with the Tesla [TS]

  i have to say i quite liked it so marco [TS]

  was showing off the super fast [TS]

  acceleration which I did not like [TS]

  because I don't appreciate the sensation [TS]

  of super fast acceleration that was very [TS]

  impressive as like you can keep showing [TS]

  this off if you don't mind cleaning the [TS]

  interior of your car shortly [TS]

  that's a game you can play if you want [TS]

  to but a bunch of the things that the [TS]

  car does as well just seems so natural [TS]

  like for example that there's no jarring [TS]

  because of gear changing it just seems [TS]

  like this is the way cars should work [TS]

  you don't miss it at all like oh boy I [TS]

  wish this car was really Jenky is it [TS]

  accelerated as it as it tries to [TS]

  manually shift through gears right it [TS]

  doesn't do that at all so that's [TS]

  fantastic [TS]

  and then finally the thing that I was [TS]

  most interested to see was a lot of the [TS]

  self-driving stuff in person [TS]

  yeah and i know that i am the wrong [TS]

  person to evaluate this in some ways [TS]

  because it's a thing that I have a lot [TS]

  of interest and but I felt again like [TS]

  the self-driving stuff was also natural [TS]

  that it was entirely unremarkable there [TS]

  was no moment of like wow I'm in a [TS]

  self-driving car and a lot [TS]

  like watching this thing trying to [TS]

  navigate the highway and stuff is like [TS]

  yeah this just seems natural just like [TS]

  no gear shifts the self-driving stuff it [TS]

  seems like this is just the way car [TS]

  should work [TS]

  this is the way I want these things [TS]

  because it just plod along and it's like [TS]

  it doesn't like change lanes and do over [TS]

  text does or doesn't like how much does [TS]

  it don't sign at the moment [TS]

  yeah so this was one of the things that [TS]

  it was a bit of a funny experience [TS]

  because in the discussion of how soon [TS]

  are self-driving cars coming [TS]

  Marco owning a Tesla and actually using [TS]

  self driving features thinks that I am [TS]

  being overly optimistic about how soon [TS]

  these things are are going to arrive and [TS]

  part of what he wanted to show me in the [TS]

  demo was situations under which it [TS]

  doesn't work or it doesn't always do [TS]

  precisely what you would expect it to do [TS]

  and so he was trying to show me a bunch [TS]

  of this stuff but my experience of [TS]

  sitting in the car was mostly thinking [TS]

  like I think the cars doing pretty well [TS]

  I think that's the only great there was [TS]

  a situation where we were on the highway [TS]

  and he has his hands off of the wheel [TS]

  and the car is driving on the highway [TS]

  and what it does is it stays in its own [TS]

  lane and it tries to keep an appropriate [TS]

  distance from the car in front of it but [TS]

  you can tell the Tesla I would like to [TS]

  turn lanes without actually forcing it [TS]

  to and so the car makes a decision about [TS]

  whether or not it's going to change [TS]

  lanes and so marco was able to [TS]

  essentially put the car in a situation [TS]

  where he told it to change lanes but the [TS]

  car wouldn't even though there was [TS]

  nothing blocking the way right like the [TS]

  test low clearly thought that there was [TS]

  some reason it shouldn't change lanes [TS]

  even though everything was fine like a [TS]

  human driver would think it was okay and [TS]

  I was looking at that thinking yeah like [TS]

  that's a mistake like the car should be [TS]

  changing lanes but it's not but if the [TS]

  thing is overly cautious like I can [TS]

  hardly fault it [TS]

  yeah I mean it's a pretty amazing thing [TS]

  it's like God has parted the Red Sea and [TS]

  people are complaining that the sand is [TS]

  still a bit damp yeah hello my feet are [TS]

  getting wet [TS]

  yeah i mean i would be remiss therefore [TS]

  to not now bring up the fact we did have [TS]

  her first death [TS]

  yeah in a Tesla this obviously has [TS]

  crossed your radar at Tesla had a crash [TS]

  while in this auto drive mode and a lot [TS]

  of people said I was great say about [TS]

  that [TS]

  so what's great about that well it had [TS]

  to happen didn't that [TS]

  yeah that's exactly its it was [TS]

  absolutely inevitable that somebody you [TS]

  would die eventually in a Tesla and I [TS]

  think the very fact that that is a news [TS]

  story goes to show you how I think this [TS]

  is incredibly rare and i forget what the [TS]

  numbers are but Tesla came out with the [TS]

  numbers but like how many millions and [TS]

  millions of human miles have been driven [TS]

  in the autopilot system and now we [TS]

  finally have one person has died [TS]

  to me this stuff is always just a [TS]

  question of there's some group of people [TS]

  who think it needs to be perfect before [TS]

  people start using it and i am not in [TS]

  that group [TS]

  my only question is is it better than [TS]

  human drivers and again like the Tesla [TS]

  can't drive point-to-point there's lots [TS]

  of things they can't do there's lots of [TS]

  ways it's kind of cheating so like one [TS]

  of the things marker showed me that I I [TS]

  didn't know is that on local roads where [TS]

  the Tesla is clearly much more uncertain [TS]

  about turns and speed limits and all the [TS]

  rest of this it has a kind of cheating [TS]

  mode where it'll follow a car in front [TS]

  of its on local roads in situations [TS]

  where it seems like it couldn't self [TS]

  drive itself and I thought that's [TS]

  interesting [TS]

  this is a case where yes on a local road [TS]

  it is much more limited and it does way [TS]

  better on a highway so again this stuff [TS]

  isn't self self driving but it's like I [TS]

  really feel like it's gonna be better [TS]

  than human drivers very shortly [TS]

  yes people will die but you know [TS]

  horrific numbers of people died on the [TS]

  roads right now so when people sent via [TS]

  Twitter and a whole bunch of other ways [TS]

  like oh my gosh what do I think about [TS]

  someone dying in a Tesla like well I [TS]

  don't really think about it very much i [TS]

  just i just do not think it matters i [TS]

  don't think it's an important news story [TS]

  in anyway when do you disagree with that [TS]

  now i don't actually I i greatly i mean [TS]

  i don't want to sort of fire up the [TS]

  cheer pressure or have you know have [TS]

  people pylon and I know there's all this [TS]

  debate about the incident itself but if [TS]

  it was caused by the fact that the [TS]

  camera and the computer couldn't tell [TS]

  the difference between the white side of [TS]

  the lorry and the white sky that is [TS]

  quite a motive it's quite a good scare [TS]

  story you know [TS]

  and if it is the case i hope they fix it [TS]

  but I kind of agree its peak cliche but [TS]

  you know people died in plane crashes [TS]

  all the time it doesn't stop is flying [TS]

  and things like that so I think it's not [TS]

  like a big deal but this move to [TS]

  self-driving cars is less of a [TS]

  technology battle and more of a battle [TS]

  for hearts and minds [TS]

  I have to say I've come to your way of [TS]

  thinking you know I always thought this [TS]

  was further away in the future then you [TS]

  did and I now think it's closer [TS]

  it just seems to be all happening so [TS]

  quickly now so many trials so many [TS]

  implementations in sort of real-world [TS]

  environments that I thought was a bit [TS]

  further down the road it's already [TS]

  happening so I'm sort of thinking great [TS]

  was right on this one I think this is [TS]

  gonna happen quick now a question I have [TS]

  for you because you are much more [TS]

  plugged into the news than I am because [TS]

  my only experience of hearing about the [TS]

  story is people individually contacting [TS]

  me about it but i'm willing to bet like [TS]

  this story's not gaining a huge amount [TS]

  of traction it is a news story and of [TS]

  course like that the news is filled with [TS]

  anomalous events like that basically [TS]

  what the news is a collection of things [TS]

  that are unusual but is this gaining [TS]

  lots of traction like our people super [TS]

  concerned or is this just yet another in [TS]

  the endless stream of news stories that [TS]

  just washes by that nobody really cares [TS]

  about two weeks later it happened a good [TS]

  time for Tesla because there's so many [TS]

  other massive things happening in the [TS]

  world of the moment that in the fight [TS]

  first news time and coverage it probably [TS]

  didn't get as much as it could have a [TS]

  fair bit of a break like you know and [TS]

  it's still coming up and still being [TS]

  brought up in articles and i'm still [TS]

  seeing around the place like when you [TS]

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  case I feel like there has been a real [TS]

  silent shift in people's thoughts on [TS]

  self-driving cars i have a feeling that [TS]

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  that [TS]

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  and I don't bet that this is going to be [TS]

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  case I think you're I think the only [TS]

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  tesslar and the other people advocating [TS]

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  like some kind of glitch where three or [TS]

  four happen in the same way so i think [TS]

  you're right i think the one-off hasn't [TS]

  hurt him really badly and I want to get [TS]

  her if there's some systemic problem is [TS]

  there anything you didn't like about the [TS]

  Tesla well it was funny because when i [TS]

  was sitting in the car and we're driving [TS]

  along the road [TS]

  I'm thinking wow everything in this test [TS]

  seems amazing like I love this future [TS]

  space car i wish i could have any reason [TS]

  to buy one right there like no real [TS]

  always I could have reason to buy 1i [TS]

  asked Marco the same question I said is [TS]

  there anything about this car that you [TS]

  don't like and he had a couple of minor [TS]

  just likes about it but overall he [TS]

  seemed really really happy with the car [TS]

  as well and so I feel like I had nothing [TS]

  in particular to say like oh I didn't [TS]

  like this about the car struck me as [TS]

  totally wrong and the owner of the car [TS]

  had a few complaints but nothing I can [TS]

  even remember at this at this later [TS]

  point of being like oh wow that's a [TS]

  really good point like that that is that [TS]

  is a really annoying feature that I [TS]

  wouldn't have thought about it wouldn't [TS]

  have realized until I own it is like [TS]

  nope everything about this car seems [TS]

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  infinite well ok it's so all the sport [TS]

  i've been watching lately in the media [TS]

  coverage lately has brought up two [TS]

  things there's two things I've noticed [TS]

  that get [TS]

  I go to annoy me ok so i thought i'd [TS]

  bring them up one is when it's [TS]

  commentators and pundits and people [TS]

  telling the story of sport talk about [TS]

  getting revenge for banishing memories [TS]

  and I think there's a real inequality in [TS]

  it that shows how much they live in the [TS]

  moment let me give you an example say [TS]

  two teams play in the world cup final [TS]

  against a liberia plays China the world [TS]

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  Liberia win right the next time those [TS]

  two countries made and it could be in a [TS]

  lesser tournament and it could be like [TS]

  in the quarterfinals and this time China [TS]

  win commentators always say they got [TS]

  their revenge they banish the memories [TS]

  of that world cup loss and they finally [TS]

  got their revenge on liberia by beating [TS]

  them there is not revenge [TS]

  the only way you can get like total [TS]

  revenge for a sporting loss is to have [TS]

  an equivalent game like another world [TS]

  cup final and this time win that's the [TS]

  only way you can erase the memory or get [TS]

  them back or square the ledger but [TS]

  because sports people always want to [TS]

  hype up the current game by the way say [TS]

  this game is a chance to get revenge for [TS]

  that previous game it is not revenge if [TS]

  it is not the same tournament at the [TS]

  same level meeting someone in a [TS]

  quarterfinal four years after you lost [TS]

  in the final that's not revenge and [TS]

  noise me I thought you were going to say [TS]

  the only way for China to get revenge in [TS]

  this scenario would be to take over an [TS]

  axe liberia clothes and let me tell you [TS]

  what revenge is revenge is wiping [TS]

  liberia off the face of the earth right [TS]

  does does taking turns winning a game [TS]

  you're playing with each other [TS]

  is there any way that they can even [TS]

  remotely count as revenge [TS]

  no it cannot know what I mean that's [TS]

  there that would be guide the other way [TS]

  I think the whole premise of of even [TS]

  revenge in a sporting event doesn't make [TS]

  any sense even if the games are [TS]

  equivalent it still doesn't make any [TS]

  sense at all like you're playing a game [TS]

  with each other and [TS]

  11 and then someone else one as will [TS]

  inevitably happen [TS]

  revenge is something that you plot [TS]

  stealthily for four years and like you [TS]

  spring upon your opponent when they have [TS]

  no idea what's going to happen as [TS]

  opposed to a thing that takes place [TS]

  within a rigid and ordered system that [TS]

  has rules that we all agree on [TS]

  I don't think the concept of revenge [TS]

  makes any sense in this whole arena [TS]

  well okay maybe you don't like the word [TS]

  revenge but there's just there's this [TS]

  whole thing about squaring the ledger [TS]

  you know getting them back for the [TS]

  defeat and say you defeat us in this [TS]

  game now we defeated you everything even [TS]

  my say everything is not even if the [TS]

  game is not the same importance but [TS]

  commentators don't seem to realize that [TS]

  they want to hype up the game they're [TS]

  talking about i'm sure they totally do [TS]

  realize it but they're doing what you [TS]

  did precisely what you're saying they're [TS]

  just trying to hype it up it's just like [TS]

  the news Brady right they know a lot of [TS]

  the stuff that they're talking about is [TS]

  dumb and won't matter in a week what [TS]

  they want to hype it up so that it feels [TS]

  like it's really important right now [TS]

  don't you agree with that analogy is a [TS]

  bit of that moving right along and the [TS]

  other thing that's really getting on my [TS]

  nerves at the moment in especially in [TS]

  the world of sport but i know it [TS]

  pervades all media is this thing [TS]

  everyone does where they use three words [TS]

  and they punctuate it is a lot of sport [TS]

  my twitter feed and say someone scores a [TS]

  goal in a game sports ball will be this [TS]

  tweet from some supposedly reputable [TS]

  organization usually the BBC suddenly [TS]

  writing like some tane vlogger and they [TS]

  will say what I go all capitalized which [TS]

  I hate because that's like the internet [TS]

  equivalent of shouting and the only a [TS]

  full stop after every word 14 stop a [TS]

  full stop and go our man that knows me [TS]

  it & noise that may apparently there are [TS]

  there are forums and things dedicated to [TS]

  people who hate this but this is this is [TS]

  really getting me at the moment do you [TS]

  are you familiar with this it's becoming [TS]

  give a me thing to do isn't it to sort [TS]

  of have these three punctuated words to [TS]

  add emphasis this is just people trying [TS]

  to communicate on the Internet with the [TS]

  limited bandwidth that you have for [TS]

  twitter i have not seen [TS]

  it's in particular maybe this is a a [TS]

  sporting thing that will eventually [TS]

  bleed over into my internet as well it [TS]

  happens in politics as well a bit i [TS]

  think and sports and politics the two [TS]

  things i followed so closely so no i [TS]

  have not seen these on my twitter [TS]

  timeline when this episode comes out I'm [TS]

  going to tweet brand full stop new [TS]

  all-star episode perfect hashtag hello [TS]

  internet right and you know what let's [TS]

  see if just like click reading headlines [TS]

  are you we get tremendous traffic from [TS]

  that we try to get sweet retweet it all [TS]

  over the place people go nuts for it [TS]

  right because that's that's probably why [TS]

  people are doing this that people like [TS]

  it [TS]

  alright everyone go ahead send me your [TS]

  three-word tweets and i'll block you [TS]

  tell you what what are we going to keep [TS]

  classical on here great you gonna let me [TS]

  keep going as always I feel like the [TS]

  first half three-quarters eighty percent [TS]

  of the show is always somehow like out [TS]

  of my control [TS]

  yeah and then i'll let you drown on for [TS]

  20 minutes at the end what I have a [TS]

  little nap exactly like it one little go [TS]

  on is like no Brady just throwing out [TS]

  topics are hosted let's do that like [TS]

  this ok go with this [TS]

  maybe we'll cut that mean we won't who [TS]

  knows right just go go you stop with the [TS]

  little one with you're like ooh can I [TS]

  try this is like whatever man I with [TS]

  this stage you're just gonna go with it [TS]

  so what do you want to do next in our [TS]

  classic episodes [TS]

  what do you think is going to happen [TS]

  next well you know what the most [TS]

  requested corners of Oh even you must [TS]

  know this plane crash corner [TS]

  you said it all right is there a plane [TS]

  crash that you want to talk about i do [TS]

  want to talk about a plane crash but [TS]

  first of all I want to tell you that I [TS]

  flew for the first time by the way I [TS]

  haven't said but I'm in San Francisco [TS]

  Department and you're back in England [TS]

  yeah like it's like we're alternating [TS]

  between episodes we essentially past [TS]

  each other like ships in the night one [TS]

  going to and one coming from California [TS]

  so yeah we already did we are now in the [TS]

  opposite positions again recording with [TS]

  of course California's fantastic time [TS]

  zone shift which makes everything super [TS]

  convenient but I flew in the and I think [TS]

  it must have been the first time I fly [TS]

  in one in [TS]

  the 787 boeing 787 dreamliner oh the the [TS]

  Tesla of the skies maybe and maybe I'm [TS]

  overstating the case of it there but it [TS]

  is super high-tech I don't have been on [TS]

  one but the thing that blew my mind was [TS]

  the windows in this plane [TS]

  are you familiar with the windows in the [TS]

  Dreamliner I've heard of this plane i [TS]

  have never been in one I've never really [TS]

  looked it up I'm just pulling up some [TS]

  pictures now but what's up with the [TS]

  windows because from the outside at [TS]

  least they look like normal windows [TS]

  yeah they're a little bit bigger than [TS]

  normal but also they have in them [TS]

  this electric gel so there's no shutter [TS]

  that you pull up and down is just [TS]

  buttons underneath and you press buttons [TS]

  and it tense the window to different [TS]

  levels depending on your setting and [TS]

  also it puts this strange Hugh in the [TS]

  windows so if you're flying in the [TS]

  middle of the day I happened to fly in [TS]

  the middle of the day from England to [TS]

  California which can be quite [TS]

  disorienting and not that good for your [TS]

  body but it cast this like a bluish hue [TS]

  across the windows for most of the [TS]

  flight so kind of like night outside [TS]

  like the Sun that like the moon and all [TS]

  the landscape had this blue he look to [TS]

  it like it was nighttime and I felt like [TS]

  it was night it was amazing [TS]

  so you could still look out the window [TS]

  and see like the terrain below but you [TS]

  felt like you were looking over the us [TS]

  at night and then if you went and found [TS]

  a window that didn't have this on it was [TS]

  like broad daylight so it was really [TS]

  cool it was a really nice gimmick we [TS]

  could individual people turn on and off [TS]

  the blue fact is that something that was [TS]

  under your control as the window-seat [TS]

  person i'm not entirely sure but the [TS]

  impression I had was you could control [TS]

  yourself at certain times and at other [TS]

  times I think they took control of it so [TS]

  that you couldn't have one idiot [TS]

  streaming the cabin with bright light [TS]

  while everyone else was trying to sleep [TS]

  on my flight to America I was the 180 [TS]

  where the window over didn't realize [TS]

  that the flight attendant came over and [TS]

  gave me a hard starting to look like a [TS]

  sir everybody else in this cabin is [TS]

  asleep watching closure window goes [TS]

  sorry I'm trying to work anyway that's [TS]

  not my plane crash thank goodness [TS]

  because i was on that line right right [TS]

  about us [TS]

  let me give you a plane crash corner and [TS]

  this is something that made the news a [TS]

  little while ago now [TS]

  and I didn't bring it up because we [TS]

  haven't done a podcast was so long and [TS]

  we talked about lots of other stuff but [TS]

  this caught my attention because also [TS]

  has told me something about myself which [TS]

  I want to ask you about the end [TS]

  first of all let me tell you the story [TS]

  you like this because it's got an [TS]

  obscure pompous name i want to tell you [TS]

  about operation an upper part of our I'm [TS]

  sure my pronunciation is incorrect [TS]

  because this is an Incan God of [TS]

  knowledge and basically to start from [TS]

  the beginning there was a flight on [TS]

  january the first in 1985 Eastern flight [TS]

  980 and this was a flight that was going [TS]

  from Paraguay to miami and i was going [TS]

  to stop in a couple of other places on [TS]

  the way this is in 1985 1985 okay I [TS]

  trust me trust me gray okay we're [TS]

  getting there are going there [TS]

  alright take my stick with me through [TS]

  this journey there hold my hair it will [TS]

  all make sense at the end [TS]

  ok this plane with 29 people on it i [TS]

  think it was 19 passengers and 10 crew [TS]

  which is quite high ratio of crude [TS]

  passengers actually suffered what is [TS]

  called a safe it crash [TS]

  this is a controlled flight into terrain [TS]

  which i think is a lovely way of saying [TS]

  it flew into a mountain [TS]

  ok and it flew into this mountain called [TS]

  Mount allamani in Bolivia and it hit the [TS]

  mountain at a height of about 6,000 [TS]

  meters and I think to this day [TS]

  that's the highest ever see if it [TS]

  crashed has been ok the highest [TS]

  appliance ever been when it flew into a [TS]

  mountain everyone died so this is [TS]

  obviously quite hard spot to get to but [TS]

  they did send investigators and a little [TS]

  piece of side trivia here that the lead [TS]

  investigator they sent was a guy called [TS]

  Greg Feith or five and anyone who [TS]

  watches air crash investigation my [TS]

  favorite TV show will know this guy [TS]

  because this is like the talking head [TS]

  that they bring in to talk about every [TS]

  plane crashes like the dialer quote sort [TS]

  of guy who is quite a well-known crash [TS]

  investigators that he was cold in they [TS]

  went up the mountain is covered in snow [TS]

  the debris was all over the place it was [TS]

  like a huge crash site [TS]

  everything was smashed to smithereens AC [TS]

  they couldn't find anything particularly [TS]

  useful and they left 1985 they didn't [TS]

  find the flight recorders [TS]

  right okay why at this mountain in 2006 [TS]

  some of the wreckage started revealing [TS]

  itself because snow was melting in those [TS]

  glasses and rocks and stuff moving [TS]

  around some of the wreckage started [TS]

  revealing itself again now what happened [TS]

  was there were these two guys cool down [TS]

  and eyes [TS]

  and eyes [TS]

  that I think they're from what Boston or [TS]

  messages somewhere and they read about [TS]

  this and they sound like my kind of guys [TS]

  because they're interested in plane [TS]

  crashes and they're interested in [TS]

  mountains and they saw that the flight [TS]

  recorders had never been found and they [TS]

  looked at other crashes where flight [TS]

  recorders haven't been found in this is [TS]

  quite a few of them most of them a deep [TS]

  underwater but this one obviously isn't [TS]

  this one's on land so this year just [TS]

  recently they decided to go on like an [TS]

  adventure holiday to this mountain to [TS]

  try and find the crash site and try and [TS]

  find the flight recorders from this 1985 [TS]

  crash I can't believe you haven't [TS]

  combined your interests of mountains and [TS]

  plane crashing to do this exact same [TS]

  adventure but that's what I'm talking [TS]

  about [TS]

  I'm I I can't believe I didn't think of [TS]

  it so i said these dudes are legends so [TS]

  they've gone to this mountain in bolivia [TS]

  in a place that sounds like it's not [TS]

  without challenges various sorts and and [TS]

  I've got a few people to help them [TS]

  they've gone up this mountain they found [TS]

  this crash site and they're all the rock [TS]

  and the crevices and everything and have [TS]

  started finding bits of metal and i [TS]

  think i spent three or four days there [TS]

  and on the final day they've turned over [TS]

  a piece of metal which turns out to be [TS]

  orange on the other side which is the [TS]

  color of black boxes and lonely enough [TS]

  as everyone knows black boxes are range [TS]

  of course and it's got this cable offers [TS]

  saying cvr cockpit voice recorder and [TS]

  they find part of the flight recorder [TS]

  and I find some magnetic tape as well [TS]

  which is probably what was in the [TS]

  recorder and some other bits and pieces [TS]

  and I doubt they're going to get much [TS]

  from it because I happen in 95 but [TS]

  they've brought this stuff back in the [TS]

  hope of maybe finding out more about [TS]

  what happened to this crash but i just [TS]

  think it's amazing that these two dudes [TS]

  who are like just dudes have said and [TS]

  let's go to wear that crash up enough [TS]

  that mountain in Bolivia and see if we [TS]

  can find the flight recorder that all [TS]

  the investigators didn't find and they [TS]

  go there and they find out that is great [TS]

  i love it when people just do a thing [TS]

  it's not say the intersection of these [TS]

  interests it's amazing to me that that [TS]

  you have [TS]

  not considered doing this before but i [TS]

  think there is a market in going to [TS]

  famous plane crash sites i mean there is [TS]

  i know for I know for effective one [TS]

  famous plane crash I also in South [TS]

  America that people do too is to this is [TS]

  the one where the plane crash happened [TS]

  from the film alive whether people spent [TS]

  months and months with their wreckage in [TS]

  the mountains and they ended up eating [TS]

  the dead bodies of people who died in [TS]

  the crash to stay alive and then I got [TS]

  rescued as you always time later you [TS]

  familiar with the scratcher yeah I think [TS]

  I saw the movie alive [TS]

  yeah as I really famous and people do go [TS]

  on tourist trips to the site where that [TS]

  happened but really they don't yeah you [TS]

  can I was that was looking at the [TS]

  internet looking at the prices are you [TS]

  ready because it because it's in the [TS]

  mountains as well you know i love [TS]

  mountains so it's you know it's got [TS]

  everything got mountains it's got drama [TS]

  and it has everything I think the dream [TS]

  want to go to for me if they mount [TS]

  erebus in Antarctica where a plane [TS]

  famously crashed because they're you're [TS]

  going up a mountain [TS]

  you've got a plane crash site and it's [TS]

  Antarctica i don't know i don't even go [TS]

  there [TS]

  so what's gonna happen here Brady I mean [TS]

  I are you are you trying to tell me [TS]

  slowly and gently that you're going to [TS]

  incorporate a mountaineering stroke [TS]

  plane crash cornering tourists [TS]

  businesslike is to have put your next [TS]

  venture is going to be that started it [TS]

  sounds like that's what you're working [TS]

  toward like I'm not working towards it [TS]

  the thing I wanted to bring up the [TS]

  reason i found this interesting was when [TS]

  i first heard about this I had a bit of [TS]

  a reluctance to read about it because [TS]

  they had a blog and stuff like that and [TS]

  i think that with the journalist so [TS]

  there's obviously more stuff to come but [TS]

  I was initially a little bit reluctant [TS]

  to read about it and this is a feeling i [TS]

  often have that I want to see if it's [TS]

  just may with other people have this but [TS]

  I sometimes don't enjoy reading or [TS]

  watching about other people's cool [TS]

  adventures because i think well that's [TS]

  their cool adventure and I'm not having [TS]

  that so why do I want to watch them [TS]

  doing something awesome i want to do [TS]

  something awesome and my wife doesn't [TS]

  understand this like quite often she now [TS]

  understands that because it's what I'm [TS]

  like but freaks [TS]

  apple if there's a documentary like [TS]

  Michael Palin goes and does a great [TS]

  travel show through the Himalayas she's [TS]

  like let's watch that would be so [TS]

  inspirational and you'll see so much [TS]

  amazing stuff and and I'm like I don't [TS]

  want to go and watch Michael Palin have [TS]

  a cool adventure in the Himalayas not [TS]

  good for him [TS]

  I'm you know that's that's him having an [TS]

  awesome time that's not me having an [TS]

  awesome time so I really very often [TS]

  don't like watching travel shows because [TS]

  i feel like i just want to watch someone [TS]

  else doing something cool i'd rather [TS]

  spend my time doing something called [TS]

  myself is that weird [TS]

  I i'm not going to say it's weird [TS]

  because I'm talking to you like I think [TS]

  I can understand why you wouldn't want [TS]

  to do that but I i can say that it's [TS]

  abnormal there's no way that it's not [TS]

  abnormal [TS]

  yeah i guess because those television is [TS]

  so popular so obviously lots of people [TS]

  right because the exactly most people [TS]

  want to watch those kinds of things they [TS]

  want to sit in the comfort of their own [TS]

  home and watch somebody else have an [TS]

  adventure isn't that exciting to see [TS]

  somebody else do this thing is it [TS]

  entertaining to see somebody else go on [TS]

  an adventure [TS]

  I definitely not unless it's something i [TS]

  can't do you like go to the moon right [TS]

  but that is not my attitude so when I [TS]

  first heard about this operation thought [TS]

  up with dan and I zeg my first instinct [TS]

  was what I don't want to see that [TS]

  because they just having the coolest [TS]

  adventure and I could have done that and [TS]

  now i'm going to be thinking why i doing [TS]

  that but this was just too cool that I [TS]

  had to look and these guys are clearly [TS]

  legends for doing this [TS]

  so that's a cool story they've got a [TS]

  blog and read about it i've done a cool [TS]

  thing playing Crash mountains living the [TS]

  dream [TS]

  if you did a TV adventure like some TV [TS]

  station contact you and i we're gonna [TS]

  hook you up with a traveling the world [TS]

  amazing adventure thing we're going to [TS]

  film and we're going to make a [TS]

  documentary about it right after it was [TS]

  done and over [TS]

  would you want to watch your own [TS]

  adventure on TV [TS]

  yeah okay watching that because that's [TS]

  like my holiday photos okay yeah okay so [TS]

  that's what it is [TS]

  so you wouldn't feel like I don't want [TS]

  to watch me having an adventure i [TS]

  already had that adventure I want to go [TS]

  on the next [TS]

  I don't know that's not that i did a [TS]

  video when i went to every space camp [TS]

  where a boiled water all these different [TS]

  attitudes a video of yours I love by the [TS]

  way I'm gonna put that in the show notes [TS]

  I I think there's something fantastic [TS]

  and beautiful about that video it's one [TS]

  of my favorite things that you've ever [TS]

  done is that video thank you that's [TS]

  really kind and and I don't watch my [TS]

  videos back very often but there is one [TS]

  of my videos that maybe once every six [TS]

  months or I will watch again and enjoy [TS]

  it just as as watching it but i don't [TS]

  think i would enjoy watching someone [TS]

  else do it [TS]

  well maybe maybe i would enjoy someone [TS]

  else doing that because I've been there [TS]

  but I find it hard to watch other people [TS]

  having really amazing adventures I'm [TS]

  happy for them [TS]

  I don't not want them to have a good [TS]

  time and have those adventures I think [TS]

  it's brilliant but it's just like [TS]

  watching it just frustrates me I'm not [TS]

  our that's something I should be doing [TS]

  that looks awesome [TS]

  so for clarity's sake it's not any kind [TS]

  of envy for you you don't envy them [TS]

  their experience you just feel like you [TS]

  should be having the adventure I think I [TS]

  kind of do in Viet em but I don't [TS]

  begrudge them at like I don't like that [TS]

  but I'm not upset that they're having [TS]

  i'm happy that they're having it but i [TS]

  guess it only applies to things i could [TS]

  conceivably do like for example I don't [TS]

  mind watching Andy Mary win Wimbledon [TS]

  lift the trophy I'm not thinking damn my [TS]

  darling remember what happened like [TS]

  because I get that I can't win bored so [TS]

  i watch that right there i was there [TS]

  trying to close in on like what are the [TS]

  edges of this thing and it's a fiction [TS]

  doesn't seem to be like you're fine with [TS]

  watching fiction because it's not real [TS]

  and you don't you like I should be [TS]

  saving middle-earth I think that you can [TS]

  do about it [TS]

  Nona I don't know exactly what it means [TS]

  that's why bring it up [TS]

  I don't completely understand well [TS]

  obviously it means that you must be [TS]

  having adventures all the time if this [TS]

  is the way you feel about it [TS]

  of course yeah i mean i should i'd love [TS]

  to have obviously i'm not most of the [TS]

  time i'm sitting around editing videos [TS]

  and donuts but I find that not an [TS]

  enjoyable use of my time watching other [TS]

  people have not holidays the holidays [TS]

  for her because I wouldn't enjoy [TS]

  watching other people have nice probably [TS]

  is either that sounds like terribly [TS]

  boring television [TS]

  and also it's like a totally different [TS]

  kind of thing [TS]

  yeah whereas i'll happily watch somebody [TS]

  have an adventure i'll happily watch all [TS]

  of that's survival shows where people [TS]

  slowly starved to death over the space [TS]

  of a month like great i'll turn that on [TS]

  for entertainment any day of the week [TS]

  but someone having a holiday know that [TS]

  sounds terribly boring I mean I love a [TS]

  good documentary about someone like [TS]

  climbing a mountain like proper [TS]

  mountaineering like you know something [TS]

  happening on k2 and stuff like that but [TS]

  how is that different than watching a [TS]

  documentary because i can't do that [TS]

  ok so i can't do that you can climb k2 [TS]

  differently not okay i don't have ever [TS]

  said before but the summit on netflix [TS]

  about people climbing k2 is the best [TS]

  mountain documentary I've ever watched [TS]

  you should watch that gray it's the best [TS]

  one if I could only watch one as you [TS]

  watch that one if you only watch one [TS]

  mountain thing ever watch the summit is [TS]

  on netflix make it really good [TS]

  watch it man what you you watch it will [TS]

  talk about okay all right note made I've [TS]

  watched it three or four times but i'm [TS]

  not watching Michael Palin drinking tea [TS]

  and having a nice time with people as he [TS]

  walks through the Himalayas one other [TS]

  thing if there was like we have to do in [TS]

  a classic classic episode huh is well [TS]

  you call the bi-weekly way in about the [TS]

  heads [TS]

  this is what you wanted to do it's more [TS]

  of a health plan i don't want to do this [TS]

  but that's how a classic episode if we [TS]

  do if we don't do that healthgrades [TS]

  health corner where he smugly tells me [TS]

  how awesome he is now how i'm still [TS]

  super unfit is that how this works is [TS]

  that others ever worked with that your [TS]

  personal resentment or maybe it's like [TS]

  watching a documentary I don't know what [TS]

  your documentary about how great [TS]

  becoming really healthy [TS]

  okay i love this [TS]

  you don't want to do it the trying to [TS]

  make me look bad which is still gonna [TS]

  bring it up as a corner [TS]

  ok so sure sure what do you want to talk [TS]

  about in the hello Internet semi-random [TS]

  sometimes we talk about health of [TS]

  Brady's in the mood or we're doing a [TS]

  classic episode corner but say the thing [TS]

  i'm wondering i guess is you know you [TS]

  reach to target white and everything was [TS]

  good and you did a great job [TS]

  haha like what have you done since have [TS]

  you like kept like the same regime or [TS]

  was your age I am able to now change to [TS]

  keep a steady weight or did you wait go [TS]

  up like since you can't have hit your [TS]

  target and everything was good [TS]

  what's been your course of action sense [TS]

  i mean it's interesting because I just [TS]

  came back from spending a month in [TS]

  America ok [TS]

  flatland overhead yeah that'd land us a [TS]

  population large right just so difficult [TS]

  here [TS]

  it simply never liked everything [TS]

  everything in America is incredibly [TS]

  delicious and and so good and all i can [TS]

  say is when I go to America thing i [TS]

  always think of now is thank God at [TS]

  least i'm not in the south which is like [TS]

  America's America or anywhere for [TS]

  everything is just amplified again with [TS]

  deliciousness that was like ok at least [TS]

  i'm just in California and only have to [TS]

  deal with that level of how good all of [TS]

  the food is before you tell me about [TS]

  what's happened since she came back from [TS]

  America [TS]

  I mean I have in California and I'm in [TS]

  Berkeley which is like you know trendy [TS]

  healthy place to do but even here it's [TS]

  difficult I was in safeway last night [TS]

  and I just fancied some cookies so I [TS]

  went to the cookies section and I just [TS]

  wanted a few cookies and I went to build [TS]

  this huge table where they said all the [TS]

  cookies i could not find a box of [TS]

  cookies that they were selling that had [TS]

  less than 30 cookies in a baby it wasn't [TS]

  an option [TS]

  I just like I just want to buy like two [TS]

  or three of those cookies but you [TS]

  couldn't you could only buy these huge [TS]

  huge clear boxes full of cookies and [TS]

  then i went there is this pizza place [TS]

  right near where I'm staying called [TS]

  cheese board which is really famous [TS]

  that's really nice pizza and I went [TS]

  there the other night and I was lining [TS]

  up in the queue because it's always a [TS]

  huge queue for the pizza but it was [TS]

  nearly closing time and when I got to [TS]

  order my pizza i did the discipline [TS]

  thing and i ordered only half a pizza [TS]

  because they always throw you a few [TS]

  extra pieces beyond what you order [TS]

  anyway it's like a tradition [TS]

  ok that's interesting that they always [TS]

  do it so i knew i was gonna get half a [TS]

  pizza plus two or three slices so I said [TS]

  can I have half a pizza place and cause [TS]

  it was near closing time and they still [TS]

  had lots of pieces because they only [TS]

  make one flavor pates and they just turn [TS]

  them [TS]

  and that's just what you have to have [TS]

  that day so when I want a half a page so [TS]

  they said no problems gave me a whole [TS]

  pizza in the Box gave it to me and then [TS]

  just as I was about to walk away he went [TS]

  to me and said I by the way and he gave [TS]

  me a second whole piece here's another [TS]

  one what I tried to do the right thing [TS]

  and other half a pizza and I walked away [TS]

  with two bases and I'm on my own I just [TS]

  I was just a lonely guy walking back to [TS]

  my head baby with all places people just [TS]

  shaking their heads look at me look at [TS]

  that date look look at that date to [TS]

  paint his body leading to a page is my [TS]

  friend definitely need to buy several [TS]

  drinks like a six-pack of soda just so [TS]

  it looks like you're bringing supplies [TS]

  to party [TS]

  it's just like oh here's me with my two [TS]

  pizzas and my one diet cokes it's really [TS]

  clear 1001 right you need camouflage [TS]

  drinks to cover that [TS]

  yeah just holding your phone to ear even [TS]

  though you're not using the same yeah [TS]

  I'll be there in a minute guys [TS]

  yeah keep the party going yeah so anyway [TS]

  you're back from fat laughs yeah but i'm [TS]

  laughing as well because it does my [TS]

  experience in California and feel like [TS]

  nobody handed me two pizzas with a wink [TS]

  and a smile but I i did have this [TS]

  feeling that I always going to be way [TS]

  easier in California at least need to [TS]

  eat healthier because they're a bunch of [TS]

  hippies [TS]

  it's like you know what it's still so [TS]

  hard and even the healthy stuff comes an [TS]

  enormous portions and when you're [TS]

  surrounded by everything else like it do [TS]

  i really want to go to like granola bar [TS]

  nor do I want to go to ihop like I want [TS]

  to go to ihop that's what I wanted to do [TS]

  it's just so hard [TS]

  ok so the interesting thing here is we [TS]

  sort of touched upon a while ago that i [TS]

  had been changing some of my morning [TS]

  routine with like print and getting [TS]

  coffee in the mornings and doing a bunch [TS]

  of stuff and over time I eventually kind [TS]

  of stumbled upon the realization that [TS]

  breakfast is an optional meal if you're [TS]

  mentally prepared for that [TS]

  which is interesting thing to kind of [TS]

  realize in my life that all of my life I [TS]

  have always thought if I don't have [TS]

  breakfast things will be just absolutely [TS]

  terrible but over the past several [TS]

  months i have slowly learned that [TS]

  breakfast is optional as long as I'm [TS]

  psychologically prepared for that fact [TS]

  when I get up in the morning that i know [TS]

  i'm going to skip breakfast so don't [TS]

  even try its stomach and we're going to [TS]

  eat later we're going to eat at lunch so [TS]

  this is this is a piece of information [TS]

  that I kind of discovered about myself [TS]

  over time and one of the things that I [TS]

  decided when I was going to fat land USA [TS]

  was that i was going to intentionally [TS]

  skip breakfast in the morning for the [TS]

  entire time that I was there because i [TS]

  thought at the very least this will be [TS]

  some kind of damage minimization process [TS]

  because i am a man who loves his [TS]

  breakfast and America is a land that [TS]

  does breakfast really well and so I [TS]

  thought I'm just going to take this out [TS]

  as an option to try to reduce calorie [TS]

  intake and much to my surprise even [TS]

  though I wasn't super great about eating [TS]

  stuff in America especially during [TS]

  conference time when you keep meeting up [TS]

  with people like everywhere you go [TS]

  you're meeting someone for a meal and [TS]

  you're eating something or I just fine [TS]

  when I'm like drained from talking with [TS]

  people all the time like I just really [TS]

  want to eat something to kind of pick up [TS]

  my energy I was kind of crap with the [TS]

  food but I think skipping breakfast [TS]

  really worked because miracle of [TS]

  miracles i came back from America a [TS]

  single pound heavier after on earth [TS]

  which I felt like was a tremendous [TS]

  tremendous victory great you've cracked [TS]

  than that my I got to give it to you [TS]

  have done [TS]

  yeah i mean not to gloat in your face or [TS]

  anything but i'm still under 200 pounds [TS]

  I'm 199 again like America just nudged [TS]

  me ever so slightly over 200 pounds i am [TS]

  again back under under 199 so that's [TS]

  that's where we are for the bi-weekly [TS]

  not bi-weekly at all when living you're [TS]

  living the finish on 5,000 dream except [TS]

  there's one thing if we're ever going to [TS]

  bring back [TS]

  the occasional bi-weekly way and [TS]

  actually talking about health corner [TS]

  which I have let go because as someone [TS]

  once told me if you love a biweekly way [TS]

  and you have to let it go and if it [TS]

  comes back then it was meant to be so [TS]

  I'm never gonna push anything but i will [TS]

  say the one place that I have [TS]

  consistently and frustratingly failed is [TS]

  with the running like I have still not [TS]

  been able to run a complete 5k without [TS]

  doing a significant portion of it [TS]

  actually walking and it's weird because [TS]

  I haven't given up the running i just i [TS]

  i find that I've gone for stretches of [TS]

  not doing it and so then I'm not in [TS]

  shape to do it and I kind of have to [TS]

  start over with the program and so that [TS]

  is a place where I have definitely [TS]

  fallen down on it so like just throwing [TS]

  it out there but you know we could [TS]

  always do something with the running [TS]

  because I do feel like being on the [TS]

  public hook it's helpful and you seem to [TS]

  be much better at the running that I am [TS]

  I didn't bring my running game with me i [TS]

  know i went for a run the other morning [TS]

  and I just started I wanted to get to [TS]

  the bay to the most from where I'm [TS]

  staying [TS]

  which is a bit of a crowd so I was [TS]

  running and running and it ended up [TS]

  being further than I expected and took [TS]

  me longer than i expected to get there [TS]

  and so eventually I got to like the [TS]

  waterfront and thought oh this is nice [TS]

  but I'd gone so far I was like are now [TS]

  i'm really really far from home so I got [TS]

  in the neighborhood that's there that's [TS]

  totally fair [TS]

  it does feel a little bit sad when [TS]

  you're riding gear you getting into back [TS]

  to where you started [TS]

  but added a fair and i have to say that [TS]

  even when I'm and fit and I am unfit i [TS]

  am able to still run it does remind me [TS]

  of something I think this is the nicest [TS]

  thing anyone has ever said to me and [TS]

  this is something my wife said to me [TS]

  when we were in Bhutan we did a couple [TS]

  of like long walks up mountains and [TS]

  stuff and my wife to really fit person [TS]

  much go to the gym all the time and [TS]

  she's in great shape and and we were [TS]

  climbing up these mountains and [TS]

  sometimes I was doing at that strongest [TS]

  here sometimes i'll be walking in front [TS]

  of her and I'm not fit em and like I [TS]

  wouldn't be drinking water and I just [TS]

  soldier on up the hill [TS]

  even though i'm struggling i just keep [TS]

  going and she did say to me at one [TS]

  point you just have so much grit like [TS]

  you shouldn't be able to do this but [TS]

  you're just a stubborn and that you just [TS]

  keep going like that case the heart is [TS]

  nice thing I was that did you turn to [TS]

  you and say you're hard as nails now she [TS]

  would never say that i like the word [TS]

  grit she knows I'm not fair but I just [TS]

  have like this stubbornness that even [TS]

  though my body shouldn't be able to do [TS]

  it and I'm just like well I'm not [TS]

  stopping who swims so writings never [TS]

  really a problem but you're right maybe [TS]

  running is the case for me and for you [TS]

  as well maybe like you know we'll come [TS]

  up with some kind of robbery maybe we'll [TS]

  have a race one day [TS]

  yes maybe this is the thing that we can [TS]

  revisit I'm not gonna pressure anything [TS]

  i will never mention it I will you know [TS]

  I'm just a letter go button era with a [TS]

  gay [TS]

  we've done a biweekly way in health to [TS]

  sometimes occasionally corner so I think [TS]

  we've ticked most of the boxes for a [TS]

  classic episode i think we have as well [TS]

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  for supporting the show there is one [TS]

  thing we have to talk about our do we [TS]

  have to do we have the top of rabbits [TS]

  I think we kind of do I kind of don't [TS]

  want to either but i think they kind of [TS]

  have to [TS]

  there's been so much happening in like [TS]

  in the world of like elections and [TS]

  politics and stuff em but the big one [TS]

  and i'm getting asked about all the time [TS]

  since arriving in America m is the UK [TS]

  brexit vote the referendum about whether [TS]

  or not the UK was going to stay in the [TS]

  european union or leave the European [TS]

  Union you out of the country for this [TS]

  won't you [TS]

  yeah i was out of the country i was at [TS]

  VidCon when the the vote actually [TS]

  happens or when the results came in [TS]

  again because the confusing timeline it [TS]

  was late in LA and suddenly I started [TS]

  getting messages from people and [TS]

  realizing like all right everybody is [TS]

  waking up in the UK right now two votes [TS]

  having been counted so that's where I [TS]

  was when it occurred and if you are [TS]

  listening on the planet Mars and don't [TS]

  realize the UK voted i think it was a [TS]

  52-percent voted to leave the European [TS]

  Union yeah was 52-48 to leave the [TS]

  European Union quite a high turnout was [TS]

  in the seventies I think percentage [TS]

  turnout so quite strong turnout [TS]

  yes awesome comparisons it's like the [TS]

  highest voter turnout in decades for [TS]

  anything [TS]

  not only is just like the the number of [TS]

  voters high but it's that the percentage [TS]

  of the possible electorate was also an [TS]

  unusually high for the election so tons [TS]

  of people turned out so that you go [TS]

  supposedly the UK is now going to leave [TS]

  the European Union yeah maybe it's just [TS]

  so many people want to talk about it but [TS]

  it's one of those things as well like I [TS]

  haven't been following the details Super [TS]

  closely like when it was first announced [TS]

  and when I was in LA I did kind of [TS]

  follow the news for a while but it was [TS]

  his paintings because i was supposed to [TS]

  be at some party I was being a grudge [TS]

  alike [TS]

  this party is really loud I don't want [TS]

  to be here it's hard to talk to people [TS]

  and then suddenly when news starts [TS]

  rolling and it's like wow news seems [TS]

  like a much more attractive option so [TS]

  just like left and sat down on Twitter [TS]

  for a while trying to read through news [TS]

  stories and see like what what's going [TS]

  on with breakfast like as the results [TS]

  were actually coming in because at first [TS]

  it was it looks like this is the way [TS]

  it's going to happen and then and then [TS]

  it really did become official so I kind [TS]

  of followed it right at the start and [TS]

  then i have only heard some of the major [TS]

  beats of this that have occurred in the [TS]

  past two weeks but as you might expect [TS]

  with things like I haven't been [TS]

  following it super super close everyday [TS]

  I mean since that happened the British [TS]

  politics is like just like exploded like [TS]

  it's been crazy but I don't think that's [TS]

  particularly what most people would like [TS]

  to hear about because that's probably of [TS]

  more interest to the British people but [TS]

  it's like it has been my house of cards [TS]

  since because obviously the Prime [TS]

  Minister resigned and then there's been [TS]

  all sorts of Machiavellian imaginations [TS]

  going on and like stuff you couldn't [TS]

  make up and everyone's resigning and [TS]

  stabbing everyone in the back and you [TS]

  couldn't make it up but I guess that's [TS]

  kind of the fallout the result itself i [TS]

  mean we surprised we placed is what you [TS]

  expected [TS]

  are you disappointed do you have any [TS]

  feelings about what happened [TS]

  I mean well if you go back and listen to [TS]

  our episode where we talked about this [TS]

  before it occurred [TS]

  I feel like I'm i probably have a lot of [TS]

  the same feelings like I made it pretty [TS]

  clear in that episode that my position [TS]

  is that it would be better for the UK to [TS]

  stay in and that was your position as [TS]

  well and also the thing that we talked [TS]

  about at that time was it's a very hard [TS]

  thing to discuss in any meaningful way [TS]

  and yeah [TS]

  part of the reason that i haven't [TS]

  followed the politics super closely this [TS]

  time around is because I feel it's it's [TS]

  the same thing again like when I look [TS]

  into what's going on with practice it is [TS]

  ok we did this vote people voted [TS]

  there's there's a clear outcome from the [TS]

  vote like that is not in any amount of [TS]

  uncertainty but what happens next [TS]

  first it seems like it's the same [TS]

  problem again who knows like there's no [TS]

  details there's no procedure there's no [TS]

  plan [TS]

  there's no prime minister to enact [TS]

  anything I know the people who fought [TS]

  for have all left the ship [TS]

  it's like people set fire to the house [TS]

  and then walked away yeah i mean what [TS]

  you're describing there is it's like the [TS]

  leader of you Kip resigned as it has [TS]

  been a whole bunch of other things about [TS]

  like people who were prominent breaks it [TS]

  cheerleaders yeah I don't want nothing [TS]

  to do with it after gonna actually [TS]

  evidence which I don't think is any kind [TS]

  of like real surprise in some ways but [TS]

  it doesn't mean that that at the time of [TS]

  recording we are in this position where [TS]

  it is just a total struggling shoulders [TS]

  hands up in the air emoji about what is [TS]

  actually going to occur like what's [TS]

  gonna happen it is unknown [TS]

  I mean what do you think what do you [TS]

  think well you know obviously I have [TS]

  trepidation about speaking about [TS]

  politics in a public forum because [TS]

  people feel so strongly about it and [TS]

  most people are pretty entrenched in [TS]

  their positions [TS]

  yeah and you could say I'm interested in [TS]

  my position so you like it's not like [TS]

  you're going to persuade anyone of [TS]

  anything you're either just going to [TS]

  have people agree with you or get angry [TS]

  at you [TS]

  it's not really a discussion but i'll [TS]

  talk about 1500 people who follow me on [TS]

  twitter probably know what I think about [TS]

  me because after we spoke about on the [TS]

  podcast probably in the last week or two [TS]

  before the vote itself [TS]

  I've started to feel more strongly about [TS]

  em and I really hoped that we would stay [TS]

  as part of Europe em and I started [TS]

  following the debate a lot more closely [TS]

  and a lot of a lot of things happened in [TS]

  the last week or two before that device [TS]

  which you know we don't need to go into [TS]

  all the details but I hoped we would [TS]

  stay now all the people i'm friends with [TS]

  think the same as me on facebook and a [TS]

  lot of my twitter feed and let so so I [TS]

  was surrounded by a lot of reinforcing [TS]

  comments where everyone was saying we [TS]

  have to stay we're going to stay it's [TS]

  all great [TS]

  so if you were to look at my facebook [TS]

  feed it would be inconceivable to that [TS]

  the vote would go the way it did [TS]

  yeah and that this is a total phenomenon [TS]

  that everybody experiences yet [TS]

  politically is yes [TS]

  it doesn't matter what election for what [TS]

  event just the way people naturally sort [TS]

  themselves [TS]

  elves you are almost certainly going to [TS]

  find yourself in a situation where the [TS]

  vast majority people you know and or [TS]

  follow online agree with you and so your [TS]

  results seem surprising but I was not [TS]

  supposed to be surprised and I was a [TS]

  little bit surprised but not trying to [TS]

  spice because luckily for me I have a [TS]

  diverse and a range of friends that I [TS]

  have a few friends from different parts [TS]

  of England to me who felt the opposite [TS]

  and I would occasionally see posts from [TS]

  them and I'd be like really you really [TS]

  think that and I would sometimes go [TS]

  clicking off down those rabbit holes and [TS]

  into their worlds of friends and [TS]

  suddenly I was saying how different [TS]

  fades and whole different worlds where [TS]

  was overwhelmingly the other way and my [TS]

  way of thinking wasn't represented at [TS]

  all so it was kind of a wake-up call for [TS]

  me that [TS]

  hang on a second this is a this may well [TS]

  go the other way and of course it did go [TS]

  the other way and I I'm really [TS]

  disappointed by and I feel like a parent [TS]

  it's almost like I'm not angry just [TS]

  disappointed but I am also i am also a [TS]

  little bit a little bit angry about it [TS]

  but I kind of feel a bit helpless about [TS]

  and i have cooled down quite a lot since [TS]

  the week or two after the debate but i [TS]

  just think it was such a wrongheaded [TS]

  decision by so many people and it's [TS]

  almost like I'm just like I feel a bit [TS]

  cringey that I'm surrounded by so many [TS]

  people em that think in a certain way [TS]

  that I don't think and you know I [TS]

  respect their right and they won the [TS]

  vote so so good for them although [TS]

  funnily enough all those people who I'm [TS]

  friends with who were like let's leave [TS]

  let's leave have gone very quiet since [TS]

  because I think I laughter I do think [TS]

  it's true that a lot of them perhaps [TS]

  didn't think they'd win or it would be [TS]

  different and I think a lot of people [TS]

  are a bit shocked and I've spoken to [TS]

  some of the month but a few relatives [TS]

  actually young relatives who I spoke to [TS]

  and I said officers are you voted to [TS]

  leave did you like why and they're kind [TS]

  of like our deny I kind of regret it now [TS]

  that i am saying a lot of that and there [TS]

  is this sort of pervasive media story [TS]

  that's coming across the everyone [TS]

  regrets their vote [TS]

  I don't actually think that's true i [TS]

  think it's probably more all the people [TS]

  like me kind of still in our bubbles [TS]

  telling yourself that everyone regrets [TS]

  how they voted yeah they probably don't [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  completely agree i I've seen a few of [TS]

  those stories and I think that they are [TS]

  they are frankly horrific Lee unfair [TS]

  anecdotal evidence [TS]

  yes I grand and I great and also wishful [TS]

  thinking almost certainly on the part of [TS]

  the people reporting them [TS]

  yes I think there was a lot of wishful [TS]

  thinking going on in the in the fallout [TS]

  from the people who lost and you know [TS]

  then they lost but what's going to [TS]

  happen what's gonna happen now kind of [TS]

  baffles me [TS]

  I mean as I've said before I think [TS]

  personally it's probably not that bad [TS]

  for me [TS]

  mhm I I do a lot of my work in America [TS]

  so sort of the plunging pounds and the [TS]

  pound has immediately plunged yeah and [TS]

  the economy has immediately started [TS]

  tanking but everyone said that wouldn't [TS]

  happen and it was scare mongering like [TS]

  everyone thought these countless [TS]

  professionals that was saying would be [TS]

  really bad for the economy which is [TS]

  scaremongering and within sort of an [TS]

  hour after the economy gotta be plunged [TS]

  but you know that's not terrible for me [TS]

  i hope i actually think the people who [TS]

  are going to be hurt the most [TS]

  I probably a lot of the people who voted [TS]

  to that if funnily enough you know the [TS]

  world will keep turning and everything [TS]

  will work out [TS]

  I don't think leaving the European Union [TS]

  is going to look like what the people [TS]

  who want to leave the European Union [TS]

  thinks it will look like basically i [TS]

  think we will leave the European Union [TS]

  but all of the concessions and [TS]

  compromises and things that have to be [TS]

  done are going to result in a situation [TS]

  where everyone is unhappy [TS]

  hmm because we have to stay in the [TS]

  common marker and then they're not going [TS]

  to let us stay in the common market of [TS]

  Europe without the free movement of [TS]

  people and it's the free movement of [TS]

  people that I think a lot of the leaves [TS]

  were against but the free movement of [TS]

  people wasn't part of the referendum [TS]

  question the referendum question was [TS]

  just should we leave the European Union [TS]

  so I think we're going to leave this [TS]

  governmental body but all of the [TS]

  compromises that are going to be [TS]

  necessary to preserve the UK economy are [TS]

  going to result in all the leaves being [TS]

  unhappy anyway [TS]

  mm but who knows i could be wrong I have [TS]

  no idea now have this kind of i was [TS]

  going to go along for the ride [TS]

  yeah it's interesting actually kind of [TS]

  okay talking about brexit now because it [TS]

  does feel like this is a moment after [TS]

  all of the passions have passed [TS]

  so this morning when I knew we were [TS]

  going to record the podcast and we were [TS]

  inevitably going to talk about this [TS]

  topic I was sitting down and trying to [TS]

  prepare for it and thinking like what [TS]

  are my thoughts on this like now that [TS]

  time has passed [TS]

  let me try to think about this and the [TS]

  only way that I could come up with [TS]

  how do i want to think about this is to [TS]

  be a bookmaker on the odds of what is [TS]

  actually going to occur there was no [TS]

  other way that I could kind of think [TS]

  about this in a sensible way and would [TS]

  you have listed is one of what i see is [TS]

  like three options for what can occur [TS]

  when you have described where the UK [TS]

  leaves the European Union but unlike a [TS]

  technicality but stays in something like [TS]

  the DEA like the european economic area [TS]

  or something similar like that i think [TS]

  of that as the non exit brexit yeah [TS]

  which is where bragging but on a total [TS]

  technicality that that the end result of [TS]

  what is going to happen is that the UK [TS]

  just gives up a bunch of Rights it keeps [TS]

  free movement of people it keeps paying [TS]

  into the European Union and like from a [TS]

  normal citizen on the street perspective [TS]

  all seems the same like people who live [TS]

  in Europe can come move to the UK people [TS]

  in the UK can go move to Europe and as [TS]

  we discussed in the last podcast like [TS]

  immigration was a huge issue i give the [TS]

  non exit brings it in my mind a [TS]

  fifty-five percent chance of happening [TS]

  I i think that that is the majority [TS]

  likelihood that this is what's going to [TS]

  occur and just as just as you were [TS]

  saying when i was writing up my notes [TS]

  this to me [TS]

  strikes me as the most pure of a [TS]

  compromise right because in a compromise [TS]

  everyone's unhappy in some manner right [TS]

  like that compromises and like okay [TS]

  great [TS]

  the pro-european people are going to be [TS]

  unhappy because now the UK has no say [TS]

  enough here for union is governed has [TS]

  absolutely no leavers to pull to try to [TS]

  institute any reforms in the european [TS]

  union and then the people who wanted to [TS]

  break sit there going to be on [TS]

  happy because this situation almost [TS]

  certainly addresses literally nothing [TS]

  that they cared about in their voting [TS]

  right at least trying to imagine and [TS]

  looking at looking at the things that [TS]

  break there's were complaining about [TS]

  like this address is nothing so I really [TS]

  think that that's like the fifty-five [TS]

  percent chance non exit breaks it is is [TS]

  the thing that occurs everybody is on [TS]

  happy to some extent but it means that a [TS]

  lot of the economic concerns that we [TS]

  currently see happening with businesses [TS]

  and with the strength of the pound and [TS]

  investment and construction and all of [TS]

  this stuff in the UK all of that stuff [TS]

  doesn't care like it'll just keep [TS]

  trucking along as normal with a non eggs [TS]

  at breakfast and allows some of the pro [TS]

  bricks at people whether they're leaders [TS]

  or voters to sort of save a bit face [TS]

  that's exactly it is a face-saving [TS]

  manure [TS]

  perhaps it is the worst most self-harm [TS]

  inflicting space-saving maneuver that [TS]

  has ever occurred [TS]

  I great but it allows them to say we [TS]

  have achieved victory in exiting here be [TS]

  needed [TS]

  what have you accomplished we gave all [TS]

  of our voting rights in the EU and [TS]

  nothing else [TS]

  that's not that's not a good thing [TS]

  that's terrible [TS]

  there's one group that will claim that [TS]

  as a victory right and they're the [TS]

  people who talk about sovereignty mm and [TS]

  I could have a lot to say about those [TS]

  people venue I white and they will say [TS]

  yes but we're now the masters of our own [TS]

  destiny and yeah [TS]

  not only is that like a little bit [TS]

  deluded yeah but it was really [TS]

  beautifully put buy aticle that Ben [TS]

  Goldacre right before the vote saying [TS]

  that a lot of these terms that were used [TS]

  in the campaigning like let's be masters [TS]

  of our own destiny a hollow meaningless [TS]

  statements that you see on the cover of [TS]

  self-help books and like airports and [TS]

  like what does that even mean [TS]

  now we control our own destiny like what [TS]

  like let's let's take control like that [TS]

  believe in yourself written yeah exactly [TS]

  yeah it's like there are a small number [TS]

  of people that if that we go down this [TS]

  path will claim [TS]

  yes but now we're in control of our own [TS]

  destiny well no you're not and in fact [TS]

  you probably less in control because [TS]

  you're still at the whims of market [TS]

  forces like everyone in the world except [TS]

  now [TS]

  there's one Leslie that you have access [TS]

  to it exactly that you know your pain [TS]

  later so it's totally 1984 style less [TS]

  say is more control right that's what [TS]

  that result ends up practically being [TS]

  the other kind of marking it out [TS]

  thing is I i put that my next most [TS]

  probable event is at thirty-five percent [TS]

  i think that literally nothing changes [TS]

  that the government takes the hardline [TS]

  short-term option of just totally [TS]

  ignoring the non-binding referendum of [TS]

  of saying we're just not going to do [TS]

  this and I think that option has some [TS]

  really really terrible consequences but [TS]

  i don't see it as a as an impossibility [TS]

  I mean to be clear here I go just to get [TS]

  this on record like while I am on the [TS]

  side that lost in this argument there is [TS]

  no doubt that there was a huge voter [TS]

  turnout and people voted to leave [TS]

  yep and simply choosing to do something [TS]

  like ignore the referendum like even [TS]

  though it was non-binding like it was [TS]

  not sold to people as non-binding if [TS]

  you're not going to be able to stand up [TS]

  and explain that this thing had the [TS]

  legal power of an opinion poll and get a [TS]

  happy result from people who were like [TS]

  okay well then you know whatever [TS]

  no harm no foul on this one unless it's [TS]

  true that everyone regrets there like [TS]

  which I don't think it is but if that [TS]

  was true everyone much is quietly put it [TS]

  out between their legs and let's just [TS]

  pretend that never happened but there [TS]

  are a few cases in recent years across a [TS]

  whole bunch of European countries where [TS]

  they have had votes of the people in [TS]

  relation to things to do with Europe [TS]

  where the will of the people has been [TS]

  subsequently been ignored or [TS]

  circumvented like it's becoming [TS]

  increasingly long list but nothing quite [TS]

  so dramatic as a vote to leave the union [TS]

  all together and I think you're right [TS]

  ignoring it would be a big deal but for [TS]

  people who don't know to leave the [TS]

  European Union a vote has to be [TS]

  conducted by the Parliament all the mp's [TS]

  in the parliament the majority of whom [TS]

  don't want to leave the opinion [TS]

  and I required to put up their hand or [TS]

  vote through the the right lobby to say [TS]

  yes we're going to leave so they're [TS]

  going to have to vote against their own [TS]

  will and follow the will of this [TS]

  referendum and funnily enough the [TS]

  referendum was all about protecting the [TS]

  sovereignty of the UK Parliament fact [TS]

  that all of a sudden the Parliament [TS]

  which we fought so hard to project [TS]

  sovereignty of where representatives [TS]

  they're deciding the future of the [TS]

  country and then going to have to vote [TS]

  against what they want to vote because [TS]

  of a huge pole it's an interesting [TS]

  dilemma but but it would be very hard [TS]

  case for any MP to say well I didn't [TS]

  vote for it even though there was this [TS]

  result of this referendum so it's a [TS]

  reel-to-reel pickle [TS]

  yeah but not even like always the real [TS]

  pickle there's no way that the [TS]

  Parliament just ignoring the referendum [TS]

  is anything other than anti-democratic [TS]

  there's there's no way that that's not [TS]

  true like the people voted to leave and [TS]

  then if Parliament says a forget it [TS]

  we're just going to ignore this [TS]

  it's but the people also voted all of [TS]

  those MPAs to represent them in the [TS]

  parliament the people democratically [TS]

  elected them to do that right and that's [TS]

  actually where the true sovereignty of [TS]

  the UK lies in the parliament and in the [TS]

  MPs who were elected by the people so [TS]

  they're also they also have a democratic [TS]

  job to do to vote for things on behalf [TS]

  of their constituency and I mean we [TS]

  haven't got demographics which [TS]

  constituencies so we don't know they [TS]

  don't know what their particular people [TS]

  want necessarily so there is a clash [TS]

  between the two forms of democracy here [TS]

  and I know it's sort of you know [TS]

  splitting hairs and it's the way for the [TS]

  losers to get out but it is also really [TS]

  legitimate concern about how this form [TS]

  of democracy works well it is an [TS]

  interesting question about the nature of [TS]

  representative democracy [TS]

  let's assume that the majority of MPs do [TS]

  not think it is a good idea for their [TS]

  constituents if the United Kingdom [TS]

  leaves the European Union delicious use [TS]

  that as a starting point for a [TS]

  conversation but at the same time you [TS]

  have direct democracy where the people [TS]

  themselves have voted to leave [TS]

  what is the correct decision for a moral [TS]

  member of parliament if they did [TS]

  agree with the democracy of what to do [TS]

  like I think there's no good way out of [TS]

  that they would have been a good way out [TS]

  of it i don't have this possible i [TS]

  mention is that what the Parliament [TS]

  could have done was passed a law that [TS]

  the result of the referendum was binding [TS]

  before the referendum happened but they [TS]

  didn't do that and i almost think they [TS]

  deliberately didn't do that [TS]

  this is kind of my theory about why do I [TS]

  think there's a thirty-five percent [TS]

  chance that literally nothing happens or [TS]

  fifty five percent chance of the non [TS]

  exit brexit which leaves like an [TS]

  eighty-five percent chance that [TS]

  essentially from the average citizens [TS]

  perspective [TS]

  nothing changes is that was at ninety [TS]

  percent uh I've had enough of that in [TS]

  these numbers are frightened I yeah I [TS]

  have a feel for the proposed yes that's [TS]

  exactly it like is it you know the these [TS]

  numbers their number ish present maybe I [TS]

  mean 45% not exactly but whatever eighty [TS]

  ninety percent chance nothing happens [TS]

  just like when i try to think about the [TS]

  future and I'm thinking about you know [TS]

  how soon are electric cars going to come [TS]

  or you know something else that's on the [TS]

  horizon like how soon is genetic [TS]

  manipulation technology like when i try [TS]

  to think about what changes in the world [TS]

  I think you always have to try to look [TS]

  at it from the perspective of things [TS]

  like economic demand which I always [TS]

  place a lot of value on and you have to [TS]

  look at the trend lines of where things [TS]

  are going to occur and you also have to [TS]

  look at like what what does the current [TS]

  institution in power think of this and [TS]

  how much power do they have to [TS]

  accelerate or prevent this thing and I [TS]

  look at the whole brexit situation and I [TS]

  can't help but think that anyone I i [TS]

  think that a lot of the stuff that [TS]

  occurred in that election was [TS]

  politicians probably pandering to the [TS]

  leave voters for their votes partly [TS]

  because of the way that the the UK [TS]

  government kind of does the [TS]

  first-past-the-post voting splitting [TS]

  thing I think a lot of that kind of [TS]

  prominent people who make a career on [TS]

  being anti the European Union there are [TS]

  a lot of people who might quite enjoy [TS]

  the position of being against a thing [TS]

  and so of course they want the thing to [TS]

  continue to exist and in their heart of [TS]

  hearts might recognize that it's [TS]

  actually [TS]

  but there's like a political miche of [TS]

  being the opposition and so for example [TS]

  like I think with newspapers and stuff [TS]

  or even with the UK government in [TS]

  particular they always love to blame the [TS]

  EU for everything because it means is [TS]

  there's always someone to pass the buck [TS]

  on to write like always never actually [TS]

  our fault it's always somebody else's [TS]

  fault at a political level there's that [TS]

  and other personal level there's blaming [TS]

  immigrants are people from other [TS]

  countries for your problems [TS]

  I think that happens a few levels at one [TS]

  level you blame the bureaucrats there's [TS]

  one group of people who just hate those [TS]

  bureaucrats and programs and then [TS]

  there's another group of people that [TS]

  want to blame immigrants because they're [TS]

  not happy with their lot in life and I [TS]

  think maybe people are taking their jobs [TS]

  or they're changing their culture for [TS]

  the worse [TS]

  so there's a few different levels going [TS]

  on yeah there's definitely a few [TS]

  different levels that so what I want to [TS]

  be clear here is I don't think that the [TS]

  people who voted for breakfast it were [TS]

  in sincere but I can say that I doubt [TS]

  the suspicions of a lot of the political [TS]

  leaders who were promoting brexit I i [TS]

  doubt in their heart of hearts like what [TS]

  did they actually really want and what I [TS]

  think that they might have wanted was a [TS]

  close loss right person but so that they [TS]

  can say oh you know we we fight for you [TS]

  Rex its you skeptics we fight for you [TS]

  like vote for us i think that that's [TS]

  their ideal outcome and then when you [TS]

  add on top of that what I think of as [TS]

  looking looking at the economic [TS]

  situation and we now have definite [TS]

  evidence like the global market and the [TS]

  local economy does not like brexit right [TS]

  this is a thumbs down on breakfast at [TS]

  least in the short run for what does the [TS]

  world economy think about this situation [TS]

  hmm and so I look at and I say okay one [TS]

  the people who are in power who are in [TS]

  the position to actually change things i [TS]

  think most of them don't want anything [TS]

  to change [TS]

  and secondly I think there's a huge [TS]

  economic pressure to not change so when [TS]

  I look at those two things that's why I [TS]

  only put like a ten fifteen percent [TS]

  chance on breaks it's in the way people [TS]

  who voted for breakfast and think of it [TS]

  actually occurring [TS]

  complete withdrawal build a wall exactly [TS]

  shaft right hey I think there's there's [TS]

  very little chance of that happening [TS]

  because the people holding the levers of [TS]

  power don't want it to occur kind of [TS]

  like the embodied corporations out there [TS]

  don't want it to and curly like what I [TS]

  imagine is is happening right now we're [TS]

  talking [TS]

  is that maybe somewhere somewhere in the [TS]

  government there is a room in which [TS]

  politicians and prominent party backers [TS]

  and companies and banks are all in a [TS]

  room leaning a tremendous amount of [TS]

  pressure on some poor sod to be the [TS]

  scapegoat for this whole thing we know [TS]

  we just want someone to take the fall [TS]

  for why brexit isn't going to occur [TS]

  because all of the interests in this [TS]

  room don't want it to occur and you can [TS]

  that'd be great but how can look how [TS]

  does that manifest itself [TS]

  well I'm not a details man i'm just an [TS]

  idea i right I don't know what that [TS]

  looks like it could only be like a prime [TS]

  minister that refuses to do it but then [TS]

  now have to fall on the sword and then [TS]

  the pressure will be on the next prime [TS]

  minister do it which is kind of what [TS]

  happened [TS]

  also there's a possibility of having an [TS]

  early election in the UK [TS]

  yeah which is more difficult to do but [TS]

  it is still possible to do and i just [TS]

  think that the various powers that be do [TS]

  not want this to occur and in a [TS]

  situation like this if I have to put my [TS]

  money down on who is going to win this [TS]

  fight the powers that be that I [TS]

  speculate do not want this to occur or [TS]

  the people who voted in a referendum who [TS]

  again to be clear democratically one [TS]

  that it should occur [TS]

  I don't put my money on the people in [TS]

  that scenario i put my money on the [TS]

  establishment in that scenario getting [TS]

  what it once was a super rational gray [TS]

  think about that do you think that's [TS]

  good do you think that's like wrong [TS]

  because i had a base level feels wrong [TS]

  does not like you know the people [TS]

  democracy the will of the people should [TS]

  be but like super rational dude like you [TS]

  might think [TS]

  actually that's probably a good outcome [TS]

  that the people the people don't always [TS]

  know what's best for them [TS]

  yeah so again like this morning is the [TS]

  first morning I actually give some [TS]

  serious thought to this and my [TS]

  conclusion is that it is wrong it is [TS]

  wrong for the government in this [TS]

  scenario two [TS]

  ignore the will of the people I I don't [TS]

  think there's any argument against that [TS]

  but i am on the other side like I don't [TS]

  think Rex it is a good idea and so this [TS]

  is a case where a thing might occur for [TS]

  the wrong reasons that in the long run [TS]

  is better but that still doesn't really [TS]

  justify the like our democracy we're [TS]

  just gonna throw it out the window right [TS]

  now so the way the way I look at this is [TS]

  like there are no good directions to [TS]

  take i got i think in the long run it's [TS]

  probably better for the UK to stay part [TS]

  of the EU but to do that requires the [TS]

  government to kind of subvert its own [TS]

  process as like well all we have is the [TS]

  process that like if you start walking [TS]

  down this road of Oh laws like you know [TS]

  we use them when we like them but we [TS]

  don't use them when we don't like but [TS]

  what's happened now like this is all we [TS]

  have to keep the world together [TS]

  I mean that looks legitimate way around [TS]

  that I guess it sounds stupid even [TS]

  saying it would be like a revote like a [TS]

  are you sure vote like and then see if [TS]

  yet same result [TS]

  I know how crazy that sounds but that [TS]

  would not subvert the process at least [TS]

  it would be like it could be we want to [TS]

  be more clarification and the questions [TS]

  could be a bit more detail this time and [TS]

  that could be used as a mechanism to [TS]

  withdraw the decision if the people want [TS]

  to withdraw the decision which maybe [TS]

  they don't legally and technically that [TS]

  would possibly be one of the cleanest [TS]

  solutions that like you said before the [TS]

  UK says look we're going to have another [TS]

  referendum and this one is immediately [TS]

  legally binding or they say we're going [TS]

  we're going to keep having referendums [TS]

  until you for anyone but that but that's [TS]

  exactly the problem though it is but I [TS]

  like you suspect that the original [TS]

  referendum was written to be non-binding [TS]

  and again all of the parties including [TS]

  you keep and the Conservatives agreed on [TS]

  the fact that it was a non-binding which [TS]

  leads suspicions to me like they don't [TS]

  want to go the wrong way but and so that [TS]

  that to me just like well maybe you can [TS]

  have another one that's legally binding [TS]

  but it's just there's no way it doesn't [TS]

  look awful to do that has like no we're [TS]

  just gonna keep voting until we get what [TS]

  we want it's like well that's a terrible [TS]

  democracy [TS]

  it's a terrible way to do things I just [TS]

  find it very interesting that there is [TS]

  no good outcome [TS]

  I don't know that there's a thing that [TS]

  almost feels like bayesian statistics [TS]

  about this to me which is as you add [TS]

  additional pieces of information about a [TS]

  problem like it certain unlikely [TS]

  probabilities seem more likely and the [TS]

  reason i bring that up is because when i [TS]

  think about breakfast occurring like if [TS]

  the UK actually leaves i think it is [TS]

  very likely like 97% likely that [TS]

  Scotland leaves the UK if that occurs [TS]

  I i find it very hard to imagine that [TS]

  that does not occur because for people [TS]

  who don't know who haven't been [TS]

  following the story the Scottish people [TS]

  overwhelmingly voted to stay in the [TS]

  European Union but of course there's [TS]

  part of the whole conglomerate of the UK [TS]

  and all their votes for light in with [TS]

  the overwhelming majority of English [TS]

  people and Welsh people so so if you [TS]

  were just taking the votes cast in [TS]

  Scotland alone they did want to stay and [TS]

  obviously the scottish independence [TS]

  people are using that as as leverage and [TS]

  saying hang on we don't want to leave [TS]

  the European Union the rest of you do if [TS]

  we were independent we wouldn't be [TS]

  dragged under with you [TS]

  so they're gonna use that to trigger [TS]

  their into another independence ave and [TS]

  at least from what from my reading up [TS]

  there was something about how the [TS]

  Scottish Parliament was even saying like [TS]

  as far as they're concerned they've [TS]

  already voted to stay so they just will [TS]

  stay right if if the UK actually leaves [TS]

  like we don't even need to hold another [TS]

  referendum we as a nation already had a [TS]

  huge margin that says we're going to [TS]

  stay so then that then they're going to [TS]

  definitely get their own American if [TS]

  anything looks lovely top levels already [TS]

  right it's very clear that could be the [TS]

  design i gotta Scotland's you have your [TS]

  own mode shape right then Scotland's [TS]

  gonna be wishing that the UK leaves that [TS]

  they can get their emoji that's how [TS]

  people make decisions in these things [TS]

  but so when I think about that like that [TS]

  i really do think that it's it's almost [TS]

  impossible to imagine a scenario where [TS]

  Scotland doesn't leave the UK if the UK [TS]

  leaves the EU and then if that occurs i [TS]

  also think he liked it starts getting [TS]

  into the realm of like not crazy [TS]

  unlikely that Northern Ireland which [TS]

  also voted to stay might leave the UK [TS]

  because then like Northern Ireland would [TS]

  be making a [TS]

  decision in the perspective of do you [TS]

  want to leave the european union with [TS]

  england and wales alone right like [TS]

  that's a very different question all of [TS]

  a sudden then we're really looking at [TS]

  breakfast it might lead to the breakup [TS]

  of the United Kingdom which i think is a [TS]

  thing that's kind of on people's minds [TS]

  now as a possibility that might occur [TS]

  and so when I say it's like it's like [TS]

  bayesian in a way it's almost like if [TS]

  the UK were to have another referendum [TS]

  that piece of information plus the piece [TS]

  of information that the international [TS]

  market obviously don't like the idea of [TS]

  brexit I think that really changes the [TS]

  idea of what are you voting for [TS]

  are you voting for possibly just Wales [TS]

  and England to leave the EU that sounds [TS]

  like a terrible idea [TS]

  like I don't think very many people [TS]

  would vote for that if it was on the [TS]

  referendum but it may very well be the [TS]

  logical consequence of the referendum [TS]

  yeah I think you're right ray [TS]

  there's a few other things that I feel [TS]

  thoughts and I that I had one thing that [TS]

  I think is important to say it's really [TS]

  important thing and what's going on in [TS]

  politics in a few things is that i don't [TS]

  think most of the people who voted to [TS]

  leave idiots right like I think I made a [TS]

  poor decision or whatever reasons they [TS]

  made it but i don't think they're idiots [TS]

  but i think that has been the pervasive [TS]

  message if you vote to leave you idiot [TS]

  and that was kind of the intellectual [TS]

  highbrow sort of attitude that was [TS]

  coming across in the build-up to the [TS]

  election and I think that was really [TS]

  really counterproductive and I think it [TS]

  makes people who are 5050 but leaning or [TS]

  maybe people have a slight leaning [TS]

  towards leave I just think in trenches [TS]

  their position telling people they're [TS]

  idiots is bad and I think it became a [TS]

  really big part of this election that [TS]

  people who maybe have a lower income or [TS]

  come from a part of England that is [TS]

  poorer felt like they were being told [TS]

  they were idiots for having their doubts [TS]

  about Europe and I think that caused a [TS]

  real back lash and fair enough to you [TS]

  shouldn't tell people the videos i [TS]

  totally agree [TS]

  I mean this goes back to my whole [TS]

  feeling about how your groups just [TS]

  talked with themselves and they end up [TS]

  creating these imaginary versions of the [TS]

  other group they just rail against how [TS]

  does that change anybody's mind I I [TS]

  think that just is the same thing like [TS]

  it further makes people feel resentful [TS]

  and trenched into their positions like [TS]

  it's not a mind changing thing to [TS]

  describe someone as like as a idiot me [TS]

  like instruct so you should change your [TS]

  mind and vote for me it's not a good [TS]

  argument is not a good way to change [TS]

  someone's actual mind tell you whatever [TS]

  stuff done gray well I've started the [TS]

  process of applying for my Irish [TS]

  passport you really yeah with so I can [TS]

  stay the european union's do [TS]

  are you able to get an Irish passport I [TS]

  am I am so I've got an australian one [TS]

  and I've got a UK one but I am eligible [TS]

  for an Irishman some I could end up with [TS]

  three passports [TS]

  I always forget that you have the UK [TS]

  passport I don't know why I can't [TS]

  remember that i was thinking like oh but [TS]

  but but if you get the Irish passport [TS]

  just like me you can stay in the UK [TS]

  anyway you don't have to go travel to [TS]

  the European Union but right you want to [TS]

  keep the option of being able to live [TS]

  and work anywhere in the EU [TS]

  I think it's a stupid thing and like I [TS]

  you know I don't really need to do it [TS]

  but it just it was just something i did [TS]

  on impulse but I'm not the lone ranger [TS]

  like the the the Irish authorities have [TS]

  actually issued a play to the people of [TS]

  Britain to stop applying for passports [TS]

  because they're going absolutely [TS]

  overwhelmed environment [TS]

  oh my god i'm not surprised I'm not the [TS]

  least bit surprised at that Ireland must [TS]

  be getting swamped with passport [TS]

  applications so they go i'm currently [TS]

  gathering all the necessary birth [TS]

  certificates and things like that [TS]

  well I wish you all the best of luck in [TS]

  your Irish endeavors [TS]

  mmm it could be a long wait by the [TS]

  sounds of it [TS]