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H.I. #63: One in Five Thousand


00:00:00   I don't feel they're now I didn't know [TS]

00:00:02   this needs to happen now really ok they [TS]

00:00:04   can go to that mr. things we say we do [TS]

00:00:05   it next time they grow as grow to about [TS]

00:00:08   5,000 things [TS]

00:00:09   what's this one in the show and see [TS]

00:00:10   dinosaurs because they go extinct or not [TS]

00:00:12   this friend of Mines boyfriend of all [TS]

00:00:16   the things are now about him and all [TS]

00:00:17   those skills and things he exhibits [TS]

00:00:19   about himself his ability to clap loudly [TS]

00:00:22   is perhaps his greatest skill like it's [TS]

00:00:25   noticeable like if you're in a group of [TS]

00:00:26   people and everyone claps people will [TS]

00:00:28   look at him and think wow you are an [TS]

00:00:30   amazing clapper it's like his gift from [TS]

00:00:32   god i'm trying to think about how to [TS]

00:00:33   interpret the thing that you have just [TS]

00:00:35   said as in the best thing that he does [TS]

00:00:38   is clap he does nothing in his life [TS]

00:00:41   better than his clapping yeah which you [TS]

00:00:43   could you could read that two ways that [TS]

00:00:45   there's not much else to him authorize [TS]

00:00:46   an amazing clapper and I think we should [TS]

00:00:49   go with the amazing clapping given the [TS]

00:00:51   benefit of the doubt he's just an [TS]

00:00:52   uncommon Lee good clap basically the [TS]

00:00:54   story in summary is I know a guy who's [TS]

00:00:57   really good at clapping that's the story [TS]

00:00:59   but but I almost think if you stand out [TS]

00:01:02   in a crowd with your clapping I think [TS]

00:01:04   you're bad at clapping I don't know [TS]

00:01:06   better drawing attention to yourself as [TS]

00:01:08   as as clapping in exceptionally unusual [TS]

00:01:12   notable way you are drawing attention [TS]

00:01:14   from whatever is supposed to be being [TS]

00:01:16   clapped at to yourself and then you're a [TS]

00:01:18   bad clapper imagine that being like a [TS]

00:01:20   stadium and someone does a song and [TS]

00:01:22   everyone starts clapping and then this [TS]

00:01:23   person starts clapping so with everyone [TS]

00:01:25   that turns away from the stage and [TS]

00:01:27   starts clapping the clapper this is [TS]

00:01:29   larry that then you are a bad clapper [TS]

00:01:31   you're battling the air [TS]

00:01:32   i mean i-i maybe you're right i don't [TS]

00:01:35   know maybe maybe a row [TS]

00:01:37   maybe you should maybe he's too good a [TS]

00:01:39   clapper maybe it maybe his strength is [TS]

00:01:41   in fact his weakness right this is like [TS]

00:01:43   a reverse Maryland flag right he's so [TS]

00:01:45   good at clapping he's now bad a clapping [TS]

00:01:47   yeah I don't know about you but i find [TS]

00:01:50   the clapping is sometimes burdensome and [TS]

00:01:52   performances like why do I have to clap [TS]

00:01:54   all the time with this performance are [TS]

00:01:56   gnarly just watching a thing [TS]

00:01:57   lots of times I just sort of don't clap [TS]

00:02:00   but i try to shift my position to hide [TS]

00:02:02   it i don't want to clap plenty of people [TS]

00:02:03   in this room are clapping why do I have [TS]

00:02:04   to clap why do we have to clap every [TS]

00:02:06   five minutes if you're going to the [TS]

00:02:08   trouble of shifting your position and [TS]

00:02:09   putting in all that effort wouldn't have [TS]

00:02:11   been easier to have just clapped with [TS]

00:02:13   clapping you're hitting your hands [TS]

00:02:14   against each other you know you can make [TS]

00:02:16   the delicate skin raw if you're clapping [TS]

00:02:18   along performance I don't know if I feel [TS]

00:02:21   like clapping is just a lot of burden my [TS]

00:02:23   achilles hear the clapping is is a song [TS]

00:02:26   by the band muse cold style light which [TS]

00:02:31   all the audience laughter clapping along [TS]

00:02:32   with because it's got quite an unusual [TS]

00:02:34   bait and I cannot clap in time with the [TS]

00:02:37   bait and everyone around me because I've [TS]

00:02:39   seen use lots of times in concert [TS]

00:02:40   everyone around is doing this intricate [TS]

00:02:42   clap and it looks amazing all the crowd [TS]

00:02:44   doing in sync and it sounds amazing and [TS]

00:02:46   and I'm like I wanna be part of this [TS]

00:02:48   amazing thing and I'm just there like [TS]

00:02:50   seven some monkey that can't quite do it [TS]

00:02:53   right now like I go oh and like and then [TS]

00:02:57   I think everyone's looking at me and I [TS]

00:02:58   just put my hands by my side and then I [TS]

00:03:00   think I know but everyone around to be [TS]

00:03:01   clapping and I'm not and that song is my [TS]

00:03:04   power frustrates me such a good song [TS]

00:03:07   can i clap to it so there's some kind of [TS]

00:03:10   rhythm that you're supposed to reproduce [TS]

00:03:12   hear that was just thinking you you fail [TS]

00:03:13   at this [TS]

00:03:14   yeah it's got some way I music can you [TS]

00:03:16   demonstrate for me now operating know i [TS]

00:03:18   can go into the sewing starlight by muse [TS]

00:03:20   it's got this weird you know three 2313 [TS]

00:03:24   pattern or something it's got this [TS]

00:03:25   unusual pattern that you collect to and [TS]

00:03:28   like when I break it down [TS]

00:03:29   I and like I think about it I can sort [TS]

00:03:32   of get it for one or two like for 10 [TS]

00:03:35   seconds or 20 seconds and then I lose it [TS]

00:03:37   again and its really embarrassing it's [TS]

00:03:38   like it's a big joke to in my wife my [TS]

00:03:40   inability to to clap to this song that [TS]

00:03:43   is adorable and charming and told we're [TS]

00:03:46   looking yeah i'm being able to clap [TS]

00:03:48   it's always a big moment when they put [TS]

00:03:50   their playing at Glastonbury this year [TS]

00:03:51   so hopefully i'll be there for that and [TS]

00:03:52   it and when nice play that song it's [TS]

00:03:54   always a big moment and I feel the [TS]

00:03:56   pressure and file again maybe you should [TS]

00:03:59   practice that i'm reading now maybe I [TS]

00:04:01   should get this awesome clip made of [TS]

00:04:02   mine to come 11 [TS]

00:04:03   yeah take all the attention here I don't [TS]

00:04:07   know what his timings like he just gets [TS]

00:04:08   incredible volume right and too much [TS]

00:04:10   volume it's no good if you ever watch a [TS]

00:04:13   political broadcast like the state of [TS]

00:04:15   the union address in America is the [TS]

00:04:17   perfect thing for this if you watch the [TS]

00:04:20   audience as opposed to watching the [TS]

00:04:22   actual speech was going on when they pan [TS]

00:04:24   over to people doing the collapse [TS]

00:04:26   you'll see [TS]

00:04:27   sometimes people pull this trick where [TS]

00:04:29   they're on camera right there on TV so [TS]

00:04:32   it has to look like they're clapping [TS]

00:04:33   they can't like me and you know try to [TS]

00:04:34   hide it or just not do it so you'll see [TS]

00:04:37   people put one hand in the other and [TS]

00:04:39   just shake their they're joined fists up [TS]

00:04:42   and down max it's like from afar it will [TS]

00:04:46   look like they're clapping [TS]

00:04:47   but if the camera ever goes to close on [TS]

00:04:49   some people you could see like how [TS]

00:04:51   they're doing this fake laugh but [TS]

00:04:52   they're not actually clapping they're [TS]

00:04:53   tired they don't want to do it and I [TS]

00:04:55   know I have a lot of sympathy for those [TS]

00:04:56   people [TS]

00:04:57   there's a show you on the baby see that [TS]

00:04:59   I'm sure you don't watch it so I think [TS]

00:05:00   once a week called question time and [TS]

00:05:03   they have four or five famous people [TS]

00:05:05   normally three or four politicians and [TS]

00:05:07   then maybe one or two other high-profile [TS]

00:05:09   people and people from the audience [TS]

00:05:12   asked it's quite small audience about [TS]

00:05:14   maybe hundred people will ask questions [TS]

00:05:15   about the news of the wake and then they [TS]

00:05:19   sort of some of them will then have a [TS]

00:05:21   stab at answering it and my friends [TS]

00:05:23   actually call this the clap clap show [TS]

00:05:24   because basically what happens is the [TS]

00:05:27   people just will say something to try [TS]

00:05:29   get the audience to clap them and [TS]

00:05:30   they're always such obvious platitudes [TS]

00:05:32   like someone will say I think racism is [TS]

00:05:35   wrong and we should all stand together [TS]

00:05:36   and fighter and the audience a low ball [TS]

00:05:38   clap together and then the next to the [TS]

00:05:41   next person will say you know so and [TS]

00:05:42   they're always such a hollow sentiments [TS]

00:05:44   to get clap and i always think the worst [TS]

00:05:46   thing in the world for someone must be [TS]

00:05:47   sometimes you see people make a speech [TS]

00:05:49   where they're so obviously going for the [TS]

00:05:51   clap clap moment when they say something [TS]

00:05:52   they think is gonna rouse a big clap and [TS]

00:05:54   it submit by at a stone-cold Silas and [TS]

00:05:58   you've really got to be doing something [TS]

00:05:59   wrong to get cold silence on the clap [TS]

00:06:01   clap show and I always feel really sorry [TS]

00:06:03   for those people I tell you I'll tell [TS]

00:06:05   you who are people under pressure you [TS]

00:06:07   know when politicians do speeches [TS]

00:06:09   particularly during elections and the [TS]

00:06:11   link thing these days is to have people [TS]

00:06:13   behind you rather than American flags [TS]

00:06:16   and stuff you the president you have [TS]

00:06:17   American flags behind you but if you're [TS]

00:06:18   running for office you have like a crowd [TS]

00:06:20   of people behind you [TS]

00:06:21   oh he's so weird and I have to look so [TS]

00:06:23   happy and they have to look so emotional [TS]

00:06:25   that they often don't like whenever [TS]

00:06:27   whenever you see someone giving a speech [TS]

00:06:28   and there's people standing behind them [TS]

00:06:30   or beside them [TS]

00:06:32   I find my attention is totally drawn to [TS]

00:06:35   the bystander like I going to blink are [TS]

00:06:37   you going to look aside at the wrong [TS]

00:06:39   kommentar anyone of you going to sneeze [TS]

00:06:41   in opportunely how comfortable are you [TS]

00:06:43   just standing there for maybe half an [TS]

00:06:46   hour or an hour i just find it so weird [TS]

00:06:48   and distracting to have people around [TS]

00:06:50   like I guess it's supposed to send a [TS]

00:06:52   message of solidarity to the viewer or [TS]

00:06:55   something but i just find it weird like [TS]

00:06:56   can we just have a background [TS]

00:06:58   couldn't you just be in front of a green [TS]

00:06:59   screen or something i'd much prefer that [TS]

00:07:01   I mean it's obviously been researched [TS]

00:07:03   and focus group to death side obviously [TS]

00:07:05   and I don't do it so obviously they have [TS]

00:07:07   to do it i completely agree like I'm [TS]

00:07:08   sure that it is effective and that's [TS]

00:07:10   precisely why they did what is like oh [TS]

00:07:11   guess what groups of people like to see [TS]

00:07:13   groups of people right [TS]

00:07:14   yeah that that's that's why it happens [TS]

00:07:16   but i just find it distracting if I ever [TS]

00:07:18   see a speech and there's people standing [TS]

00:07:20   around them [TS]

00:07:21   it's we are super weird I always podcast [TS]

00:07:23   with a group of 50 people standing [TS]

00:07:24   behind me don't do that okay no I call [TS]

00:07:27   up the video you'll see them now I [TS]

00:07:28   decided to make I just tell them to make [TS]

00:07:29   sure they're quiet [TS]

00:07:30   thank you they're off camera before we [TS]

00:07:32   started so I don't see them i really [TS]

00:07:34   appreciate that I I tell them to clap [TS]

00:07:36   whatever I say something they like and [TS]

00:07:38   they never do for Brady yeah if we ever [TS]

00:07:43   do a live podcast i hope i hope people [TS]

00:07:45   clap you uh yeah that'd be brilliant I [TS]

00:07:47   would just completely cave to cheer [TS]

00:07:49   pressure and I talked about how great [TS]

00:07:51   SpaceX is and always sort of stuff and I [TS]

00:07:54   just play for the clap eclipse once the [TS]

00:07:56   crowds there you gotta you gotta play [TS]

00:07:57   for your audience speaking of cheer [TS]

00:07:59   pressure last episode we were discussing [TS]

00:08:02   it we were stumbling around attempting [TS]

00:08:04   to try to come up with a definition of [TS]

00:08:07   sorts for this word which and I quite [TS]

00:08:10   liked and I just want to say someone in [TS]

00:08:12   the reddit is part of follow-up here put [TS]

00:08:14   in a definition that I thought was a [TS]

00:08:16   pretty good working definition and so [TS]

00:08:19   they said cheer pressure the active [TS]

00:08:22   urging i'm going to change this slightly [TS]

00:08:24   here because they said a public figure I [TS]

00:08:26   think you clarified something and you [TS]

00:08:27   were right its figures in public like [TS]

00:08:29   anybody's saying something in public so [TS]

00:08:31   yeah the active urging a figure in [TS]

00:08:35   public to only emphasize the positive [TS]

00:08:37   aspects of an issue when they discuss it [TS]

00:08:39   caused by fear of any potential [TS]

00:08:42   repercussions from the dispersal of [TS]

00:08:44   unbalanced or negative information and I [TS]

00:08:48   quite like this i think it's a it's a [TS]

00:08:49   good place to start [TS]

00:08:50   mmm [TS]

00:08:50   you don't like it I think it's actually [TS]

00:08:52   I mean a lot of the problem a lot of [TS]

00:08:55   people had with cheer pressure was a [TS]

00:08:57   thought it was peer pressure they [TS]

00:08:59   couldn't tell the difference between [TS]

00:09:00   cheer pressure and peer pressure and I [TS]

00:09:04   think the difference is obvious but peer [TS]

00:09:07   pressure is a very old encompassing term [TS]

00:09:09   yeah there's your pressure is a like a [TS]

00:09:11   under the Venn diagram like cheer [TS]

00:09:13   pressure is a circle inside peer [TS]

00:09:15   pressure it's a subset of peer pressure [TS]

00:09:16   exactly but at but what I think this [TS]

00:09:19   person has defined as perhaps another [TS]

00:09:22   subset of cheer pressure because i think [TS]

00:09:26   it's not necessarily just caused by a [TS]

00:09:29   fear of any potential repercussions like [TS]

00:09:31   I think it's a big subset I think that's [TS]

00:09:33   often the reason people applied shear [TS]

00:09:35   pressures because they like don't say [TS]

00:09:37   something bad about SpaceX because I [TS]

00:09:40   don't know space exploration will stop [TS]

00:09:42   like say some people do feel that but i [TS]

00:09:44   think that i think there are other [TS]

00:09:45   reasons for cheer pressure to I think it [TS]

00:09:47   can sometimes it can just be you know [TS]

00:09:51   bullying can just pay it can just be you [TS]

00:09:56   know just sheer enthusiasm and refusal [TS]

00:09:59   to believe that other people are [TS]

00:10:00   enthusiastic so I don't think it's [TS]

00:10:02   always caused by fear of potential [TS]

00:10:04   repercussions [TS]

00:10:05   I think I think they've gone too far [TS]

00:10:07   with their definition so this is like [TS]

00:10:08   this is really like the third definition [TS]

00:10:10   down on a dictionary definition and you [TS]

00:10:13   think there should be some bullet points [TS]

00:10:14   above it [TS]

00:10:14   yeah I know I think I'm if I think I've [TS]

00:10:16   come up with a definition for a new word [TS]

00:10:18   that means another hard done by doing [TS]

00:10:21   this Brady told start doing this they're [TS]

00:10:23   there they're more like they're more [TS]

00:10:25   like it's going to involve suppression [TS]

00:10:28   somehow doesn't a cheer suppression [TS]

00:10:30   notice other night you know i don't like [TS]

00:10:32   this is testing in my ability to make up [TS]

00:10:35   words so I go I'm gonna let that one go [TS]

00:10:37   but I I think I I admire the definition [TS]

00:10:40   and I enjoy the conversation but I think [TS]

00:10:42   they've gone too far by attaching a very [TS]

00:10:45   specific motive to the cheer pressure [TS]

00:10:49   well what while you while you may find [TS]

00:10:53   yourself here limited by your ability to [TS]

00:10:55   come up with a new word i have to [TS]

00:10:58   absolutely commend your unintentional [TS]

00:11:02   prediction abilities from our last show [TS]

00:11:05   when you let you know an intentional [TS]

00:11:10   yes an intensive well you threw [TS]

00:11:14   something out there and you got lucky [TS]

00:11:16   what did you throw i really like 3i [TS]

00:11:18   through two things out there and what [TS]

00:11:20   they were both on the mark my friend [TS]

00:11:23   this is this is obviously referring to [TS]

00:11:27   boaty mcboatface blue and in our last [TS]

00:11:29   episode I said that perhaps a better [TS]

00:11:33   decision would be to name a small vessel [TS]

00:11:35   on the ship [TS]

00:11:36   boaty mcboatface mhm and I also said [TS]

00:11:39   they'll probably go for a name of you [TS]

00:11:41   know something more safe and prestigious [TS]

00:11:44   and I did mention it could be named [TS]

00:11:45   after David Attenborough lit the science [TS]

00:11:48   TV presenter and days after a podcast [TS]

00:11:52   was released at you know what happened [TS]

00:11:54   there named after David Attenborough and [TS]

00:11:56   they called the little mini submarine [TS]

00:11:58   that's going to do the swimming around [TS]

00:12:01   off the ship [TS]

00:12:02   boaty mcboatface say the name lives on a [TS]

00:12:04   small sub vessel it's such an incredible [TS]

00:12:06   coincidence that i can only assume that [TS]

00:12:10   it's not a coincidence and just like the [TS]

00:12:13   New Zealand flag referendum the hello [TS]

00:12:15   Internet podcast was actually the [TS]

00:12:17   driving force behind what occurred here [TS]

00:12:20   I think someone on the committee heard [TS]

00:12:22   would use that on the podcast and went [TS]

00:12:24   moves it to happen / yeah that's great [TS]

00:12:27   that's perfect i I'm gonna I'm gonna say [TS]

00:12:30   that the hell original podcast is [TS]

00:12:31   responsible for this [TS]

00:12:32   I'm sure David Attenborough was kicking [TS]

00:12:34   around in lots of places as well before [TS]

00:12:36   I mentioned it but I will say this and [TS]

00:12:38   I'm going to be controversial and i'm [TS]

00:12:40   going to riskier pressure [TS]

00:12:41   oh I don't like that they've named after [TS]

00:12:45   David Attenborough yeah and i know [TS]

00:12:47   that's a controversial thing to say but [TS]

00:12:49   I said it [TS]

00:12:50   why is a controversial breathing [TS]

00:12:51   obviously everyone loves David [TS]

00:12:54   Attenborough not just in Britain [TS]

00:12:55   probably around the world is that as a [TS]

00:12:57   science presenter and I think naming the [TS]

00:12:59   ship after him is basically the [TS]

00:13:02   old establishment equivalent of boaty [TS]

00:13:05   mcboatface it's like just the that's [TS]

00:13:08   another like it's just what you would [TS]

00:13:10   expect just like you expect the internet [TS]

00:13:12   to come up with a funny name if you let [TS]

00:13:13   them to a power right you expect [TS]

00:13:16   politicians to name the ship after not [TS]

00:13:19   like a great scientist right but a [TS]

00:13:23   famous science person and I know a lot [TS]

00:13:26   about David Attenborough I know his [TS]

00:13:28   background in science so you don't need [TS]

00:13:30   to all message me and tell me about his [TS]

00:13:32   qualifications and what he did I know I [TS]

00:13:34   know quite a bit about him and he's not [TS]

00:13:36   like a great scientist he's in great [TS]

00:13:39   great science communicator and he's been [TS]

00:13:42   a magnificent ambassador for science [TS]

00:13:43   right but but i think he gets enough [TS]

00:13:45   public recognition like you come in you [TS]

00:13:48   can at least he's turning 90 this year [TS]

00:13:50   and this TV shows about him all the time [TS]

00:13:52   and he's got a million honors and and [TS]

00:13:54   they're all deserved and I'm I'm really [TS]

00:13:56   happy for him and I think he's fantastic [TS]

00:13:58   but this was a chance to I i don't think [TS]

00:14:02   i should have membership after a person [TS]

00:14:03   myself like why I quite like vessels to [TS]

00:14:06   be named things like discovery or terra [TS]

00:14:08   nova which incidentally are both very [TS]

00:14:10   famous polar exploration vessels which [TS]

00:14:13   could have been used for the name for [TS]

00:14:14   this but I like things like that or they [TS]

00:14:18   could have named after like someone who [TS]

00:14:20   did amazing science in the polar regions [TS]

00:14:23   not someone who you know has gone and [TS]

00:14:26   presented nice shows about penguins but [TS]

00:14:29   and and I didn't they did they did [TS]

00:14:31   something that they knew would be really [TS]

00:14:34   popular really safe and no one will [TS]

00:14:37   criticize it except me because you're [TS]

00:14:39   not allowed to say anything negative [TS]

00:14:40   about David Attenborough so marvelous [TS]

00:14:43   why do you hate David Attenborough baby [TS]

00:14:45   why do you hate him so high who's dad [TS]

00:14:48   he's everybody's grandparent now and [TS]

00:14:50   he's like but i just think it was a do [TS]

00:14:53   you think it was pandering like is it is [TS]

00:14:55   it sounds like you think it's pandering [TS]

00:14:57   in a way [TS]

00:14:58   well it was playing it safe and it was [TS]

00:15:01   pandering a bit i don't know it was [TS]

00:15:04   disliked it was just like if you were [TS]

00:15:07   going to go if you went up to someone [TS]

00:15:08   who knew nothing about science and only [TS]

00:15:10   watch TV shows and said all we're going [TS]

00:15:11   to name a ship what are we going to name [TS]

00:15:12   a unanimous we have a science ship [TS]

00:15:15   what are we going to cola we're going to [TS]

00:15:17   call it the david attenborough the Brian [TS]

00:15:19   Cox at night right there the only to [TS]

00:15:21   science things people can think of and I [TS]

00:15:24   think that's a shame they could have [TS]

00:15:25   named after someone who i'm struggling [TS]

00:15:27   to come up with the name because I don't [TS]

00:15:28   know much that Polly reason that's it [TS]

00:15:30   that's where we're going with this right [TS]

00:15:32   is like you want you want authenticity [TS]

00:15:36   and obscurity here right that's that's [TS]

00:15:40   what you're looking for i know you're [TS]

00:15:42   looking for the vessel to have some name [TS]

00:15:45   that nobody outside of the Arctic [TS]

00:15:48   research community will ever know about [TS]

00:15:50   or ever here [TS]

00:15:52   oh ok yeah i could say call it the scott [TS]

00:15:54   then the Robert Scott but that's [TS]

00:15:57   probably a bit clich√© to because you [TS]

00:15:59   know he's the most famous British polar [TS]

00:16:02   explorer always easy but yeah you know [TS]

00:16:05   Scott the Antarctic the hey everybody [TS]

00:16:07   here that's got like I draw a total [TS]

00:16:09   blank on that like okay it should be [TS]

00:16:11   like after it's got like the Scottish [TS]

00:16:14   people are already talking about i have [TS]

00:16:15   no idea i think you vastly overestimate [TS]

00:16:18   the name recognition of Explorer I think [TS]

00:16:21   I think I mean I know you're a really [TS]

00:16:23   smart guy and you know lots of stuff but [TS]

00:16:25   Scott of the Antarctic his famous like [TS]

00:16:28   not a lot of people probably don't know [TS]

00:16:30   is ok but let me ask you like hey like I [TS]

00:16:34   know you say famous right but again i [TS]

00:16:36   will remind you that you are a science [TS]

00:16:39   communicator who works almost [TS]

00:16:41   exclusively with people in the science [TS]

00:16:43   world like how many people do you think [TS]

00:16:45   you you need to pull aside on a high [TS]

00:16:47   street before you get one person who [TS]

00:16:49   knows the name Robert Scott ok i'm going [TS]

00:16:55   to say like a thousand people i'm going [TS]

00:16:57   to say a thousand people are know if you [TS]

00:17:00   go if you got the outer than yay i think [TS]

00:17:03   i think my Allah all I'm saying is [TS]

00:17:05   you're standing on the high street and [TS]

00:17:07   like you're pulling aside people at [TS]

00:17:08   random [TS]

00:17:09   I think one in a thousand will know who [TS]

00:17:11   Robert Scott it's okay with my goods i [TS]

00:17:15   think it would be better than that but i [TS]

00:17:17   think i'm not saying he's like a [TS]

00:17:18   household name sounds like we have a [TS]

00:17:20   hello Internet Tim research project with [TS]

00:17:22   someone to do I don't necessarily think [TS]

00:17:25   even error [TS]

00:17:26   their audiences that is the best example [TS]

00:17:28   for this but but but I mean is some [TS]

00:17:31   dedicated team could go on the high [TS]

00:17:33   street and everything you know who her [TS]

00:17:36   father it's got that is [TS]

00:17:37   hey you know he famously was in this [TS]

00:17:39   race to the South power in the in 1912 i [TS]

00:17:43   believe it was it was okay you know when [TS]

00:17:44   it with a Munson and Shackleton and all [TS]

00:17:46   these people that these are the big [TS]

00:17:48   names of them Antarctic except [TS]

00:17:51   Antarctica like Shackleton's the name I [TS]

00:17:53   recognize okay well Shackleton and Scott [TS]

00:17:56   were contemporaries they did they did [TS]

00:17:58   some research together as well so Scott [TS]

00:18:00   was the letter names thats got Scott [TS]

00:18:01   famously his second mission to [TS]

00:18:03   antarctica ice and particularly [TS]

00:18:05   knowledgeable on this could actually [TS]

00:18:06   make a video about yesterday so [TS]

00:18:08   apathetic but I didn't know Scott of the [TS]

00:18:11   Antarctic before that [TS]

00:18:12   uh-huh he's right he's famous because he [TS]

00:18:14   had this really really ill-fated mission [TS]

00:18:16   on the terra nova and they got stuck [TS]

00:18:19   there and they they all starved and he [TS]

00:18:21   actually did make it to the South Pole [TS]

00:18:23   but he got there just after the others [TS]

00:18:26   had gotten there than I think it was the [TS]

00:18:27   Norwegians just beat him so the second [TS]

00:18:29   place [TS]

00:18:30   yeah second place first loser he died on [TS]

00:18:33   the the trip back and said it was [TS]

00:18:35   fabulous and really famous story tragic [TS]

00:18:38   famous stories from history who [TS]

00:18:40   certainly most British people would know [TS]

00:18:42   it [TS]

00:18:42   Scott the Antarctic older british people [TS]

00:18:44   young people don't know anything but but [TS]

00:18:47   but out of british people would have [TS]

00:18:51   would now from schools and stuff like [TS]

00:18:53   that it but it but he's so famous they [TS]

00:18:56   don't teach him to young people anymore [TS]

00:18:58   like what like 44 proposition here look [TS]

00:19:03   as i'm not saying he get okay well you [TS]

00:19:07   go ahead let's call it David [TS]

00:19:08   Attenborough because he's on TV and [TS]

00:19:09   people have heard of him [TS]

00:19:10   I'm saying scott is like a great story [TS]

00:19:13   he's really really pegged to Antarctica [TS]

00:19:16   he's the most famous person I could [TS]

00:19:18   think of is really pegged to anchor yeah [TS]

00:19:20   it does it does it is very clear I'm not [TS]

00:19:22   arguing that Scott isn't a better name [TS]

00:19:26   I'm just I'm just trying to get you to [TS]

00:19:27   acknowledge the total obscurity that [TS]

00:19:30   name would be to the vast majority of [TS]

00:19:32   the population i'm not i'm not giving [TS]

00:19:34   you total obscurity i'm giving you i'm [TS]

00:19:37   giving you it's a name of [TS]

00:19:38   people weren't no but I if if we're [TS]

00:19:41   going to say Scott of the Antarctic is [TS]

00:19:43   total obscurity then we might as well [TS]

00:19:47   give up we might we might as well call a [TS]

00:19:48   boaty mcboatface it's the anything you [TS]

00:19:53   have you have such high expectations for [TS]

00:19:56   the general level of knowledge in in [TS]

00:19:58   like the average member of the [TS]

00:19:59   population Brady I think it's always [TS]

00:20:01   it's always charming to me that you [TS]

00:20:03   think it's natural you have this finger [TS]

00:20:05   you have such faith no i don't and i [TS]

00:20:06   know that how you're talking to someone [TS]

00:20:09   who has for his job has spent many years [TS]

00:20:11   pulling strangers off the street [TS]

00:20:13   interviewing them i'm well aware how [TS]

00:20:15   little people know who and I don't think [TS]

00:20:18   many people would know who Robert Scott [TS]

00:20:19   is they certainly wouldn't know he's his [TS]

00:20:21   name was Robert they were just know [TS]

00:20:22   Scott everyone just knows him Scott em [TS]

00:20:24   but I do think he's like what's the word [TS]

00:20:28   if you're not if not everyone knows you [TS]

00:20:30   can't call a famous but he's he's highly [TS]

00:20:33   noteworthy he means the wikipedia [TS]

00:20:35   notability guidelines [TS]

00:20:36   oh yeah like apparently the hello [TS]

00:20:39   Internet podcast is not i think way more [TS]

00:20:42   people know about the hello engine 45 [TS]

00:20:43   gap but no matter Robert Scott that is [TS]

00:20:46   not true that is not very gray he i'm [TS]

00:20:50   looking at robert scott's wikipedia page [TS]

00:20:52   now and it's just how many edits does it [TS]

00:20:54   have I don't have to find that out but [TS]

00:20:56   its massive [TS]

00:20:57   it's big look all I want though Holly 10 [TS]

00:21:03   saying this is what the old guard wanted [TS]

00:21:05   this is what they've done like a popular [TS]

00:21:07   science communicator with them all i [TS]

00:21:10   want i will be able to die happy if when [TS]

00:21:13   the current crop of people listening to [TS]

00:21:15   hello internet when they become the old [TS]

00:21:18   guard if there is some science vessel of [TS]

00:21:21   any sort some science spaceship perhaps [TS]

00:21:23   to be named I wanted to name it the [TS]

00:21:26   Brady McCarron face sculpt the Antarctic [TS]

00:21:30   you should know who he is but why should [TS]

00:21:32   what will you use this word should in [TS]

00:21:33   such a funny way what do you mean by [TS]

00:21:35   should I should know who he is I think a [TS]

00:21:37   knowledgeable person should know who he [TS]

00:21:39   is [TS]

00:21:40   ok who was the first man to set foot on [TS]

00:21:42   the moon Neil Armstrong who was the [TS]

00:21:45   first person to the top of Mount Everest [TS]

00:21:46   I don't know when that was edmund [TS]

00:21:49   hillary and sherpa tenzing Tenzing [TS]

00:21:52   ok you know Edmund Hillary preferably [TS]

00:21:53   well now that you say the name edmund [TS]

00:21:55   hillary and I'll take your word that he [TS]

00:21:58   was the first person I'd up on top of [TS]

00:21:59   Everest but like i don't i don't know [TS]

00:22:00   you're at your iight overestimate what [TS]

00:22:03   people know that if cgpgrey does not [TS]

00:22:06   know the name of the first person on top [TS]

00:22:07   of Mount Everest then I I'm out of touch [TS]

00:22:11   with reality [TS]

00:22:12   I think you are I really had you are you [TS]

00:22:14   want to going like that like I'm not [TS]

00:22:15   messing with you no no don't like you [TS]

00:22:18   can ask questions and i will try to [TS]

00:22:19   answer them [TS]

00:22:20   well i was gonna make and I was going to [TS]

00:22:22   make up an amazing point but you ruined [TS]

00:22:23   it but now you're the first person on [TS]

00:22:25   top of Mount Everest was it you doing my [TS]

00:22:28   finely crafted argument so i'll just [TS]

00:22:30   give up because i was going to say I [TS]

00:22:32   think it's a tragedy that everyone knows [TS]

00:22:34   the first person on the moon the first [TS]

00:22:35   person i've met Everest but that don't [TS]

00:22:37   know for example the first person to the [TS]

00:22:39   South Pole you're on let's just call [TS]

00:22:41   this time everything after TV presenters [TS]

00:22:43   if you want things that are well now and [TS]

00:22:45   that's what you gotta do what you gotta [TS]

00:22:47   do [TS]

00:22:47   if you don't want things that are well [TS]

00:22:48   known who cares hello internet you know [TS]

00:22:52   who's a famous explorer that everyone [TS]

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00:22:56   that's kermit roosevelt who as you know [TS]

00:22:59   tim was part of the first team to fully [TS]

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00:25:03   end of this ad have another piece of [TS]

00:25:07   follow-up here that i thought was [TS]

00:25:08   interesting from our last episode so we [TS]

00:25:11   were discussing last time a bunch of [TS]

00:25:14   stuff about the law right and warrants [TS]

00:25:16   and and all of this and there was a [TS]

00:25:17   moment where we were both a little bit [TS]

00:25:20   uncertain because you are asking a [TS]

00:25:22   question about can in trials can you be [TS]

00:25:26   compelled to give testimony [TS]

00:25:29   yeah and we're both little bit confused [TS]

00:25:31   because we were saying like always it is [TS]

00:25:33   it part of the pre-trial system where [TS]

00:25:35   this is happening and then of course [TS]

00:25:36   like what we see on television like it [TS]

00:25:38   seems like people are compelled to give [TS]

00:25:39   testimony and I we actually had an [TS]

00:25:42   American Lawyer leave some feedback on [TS]

00:25:45   the reddit which I thought was really [TS]

00:25:46   interesting and and brought up a little [TS]

00:25:48   distinction that i was unaware of that [TS]

00:25:51   in the United States system [TS]

00:25:53   you cannot be compelled to incriminate [TS]

00:25:56   yourself [TS]

00:25:58   yeah but it stops there and and i think [TS]

00:26:01   i am my mind had this model that this [TS]

00:26:04   idea was kind of muddled up with this [TS]

00:26:06   idea of like the taking the fifth like [TS]

00:26:08   oh you don't have to talk but you can be [TS]

00:26:11   compelled to testify if you are giving [TS]

00:26:13   testimony against someone [TS]

00:26:17   else and that's probably what we're [TS]

00:26:20   thinking of what we were sort of [TS]

00:26:21   confused on with that matter last time [TS]

00:26:24   well this is why i was confused be as [TS]

00:26:26   well because this is obviously a big [TS]

00:26:28   deal for journalists who have to protect [TS]

00:26:29   sources and I actually know a journalist [TS]

00:26:32   in adelaide where I'm from who went to [TS]

00:26:35   jail because he would not reveal a [TS]

00:26:37   source who he was [TS]

00:26:38   the court ordered him and he wouldn't do [TS]

00:26:40   it and he had to go and do some time [TS]

00:26:41   this is where the confusion came from [TS]

00:26:43   but obviously this has been if this [TS]

00:26:45   person is right this this clarifies that [TS]

00:26:47   all you can only keep stomp if it's [TS]

00:26:51   yourself is going to get in trouble when [TS]

00:26:52   you talk and if you're doing it to [TS]

00:26:53   protect others that's not good enough [TS]

00:26:56   I thought there was an interesting point [TS]

00:26:57   and just want to bring that up here and [TS]

00:26:59   you once again use the phrase that I [TS]

00:27:01   meant to ask you last time keep stump [TS]

00:27:03   what is this radios don't know how [TS]

00:27:05   you're supposed to jump so i don't have [TS]

00:27:06   to look at but it just means it just [TS]

00:27:08   means stay quiet like if everyone's you [TS]

00:27:10   should know what that means because [TS]

00:27:11   you're a big one for keeping stomp if [TS]

00:27:12   we're in a group of people and [TS]

00:27:13   everyone's speaking their mind you're [TS]

00:27:15   quite often the one who just keeps [TS]

00:27:16   jumping not say anything [TS]

00:27:18   it's not that I don't have anything to [TS]

00:27:20   say I'm not getting groups our hangout [TS]

00:27:22   it looks like the that the the word the [TS]

00:27:24   proper where he stormed not stop [TS]

00:27:27   ok so this is just a brady word that you [TS]

00:27:29   keep stomping well I was closed doors i [TS]

00:27:33   think an educated person that know how [TS]

00:27:34   to say stoom [TS]

00:27:36   yeah yeah ash door it's an Australian [TS]

00:27:38   ism to add a page we like adding pays to [TS]

00:27:40   the end always it i think i just think [TS]

00:27:42   you're trying to pull your butt out of [TS]

00:27:44   the fire on his 10 yeah Australia we at [TS]

00:27:46   p's at the end of everything he wasn't [TS]

00:27:49   really up a storm is an adjective [TS]

00:27:53   it's an informal adjective remains [TS]

00:27:55   silent non-communicative speaking of [TS]

00:27:58   sayings by the way i'll be many to say [TS]

00:27:59   this for a while because I i think i've [TS]

00:28:01   mentioned it before but i think a lot of [TS]

00:28:02   people don't realize that the term black [TS]

00:28:06   stump by the way who is a various famous [TS]

00:28:09   Australian term I don't nobody know you [TS]

00:28:11   look at you with your liberal use of the [TS]

00:28:14   word famous know this is famous [TS]

00:28:17   ok there is that there is a set there is [TS]

00:28:19   a stray lien isn't me if there is an [TS]

00:28:21   Australian ism called beyond the black [TS]

00:28:23   stump it's a saying and it made it means [TS]

00:28:26   anything that's far away like out in the [TS]

00:28:28   bush so if something's beyond the black [TS]

00:28:30   stump [TS]

00:28:30   I think it means it's like too far away [TS]

00:28:32   let me check it out it's even got a [TS]

00:28:33   Wikipedia page i know that's a book [TS]

00:28:36   that's a book called it's a book called [TS]

00:28:37   beyond the Blackstone but are we on the [TS]

00:28:39   disambiguation page again you know how I [TS]

00:28:41   feel about that you've already lied to [TS]

00:28:43   hear we got them and its really an [TS]

00:28:44   Australian expression black stump is a [TS]

00:28:46   name for an imaginary point beyond which [TS]

00:28:48   the country is considered remote or [TS]

00:28:49   uncivilized so if you go beyond the [TS]

00:28:51   black stump it means you've gone out [TS]

00:28:53   into the bush and there's no Wi-Fi so [TS]

00:28:56   obviously when they built this sort of [TS]

00:28:58   monolithic black building and Adelaide [TS]

00:29:01   that's where that's why i got called the [TS]

00:29:03   black stopped because they were riffing [TS]

00:29:04   off this famous Australian saying and I [TS]

00:29:07   just thought that was worth putting out [TS]

00:29:08   there okay [TS]

00:29:09   he is setting the record straight that's [TS]

00:29:11   what i thought it was interesting i [TS]

00:29:12   think people but some people probably [TS]

00:29:14   think it was really strange that this [TS]

00:29:15   building i always talk about is called [TS]

00:29:17   the black stamp and I thought effort was [TS]

00:29:20   worth adding a little bit more context [TS]

00:29:22   to where that name came from a little [TS]

00:29:24   bit more clarity huh dad and it means [TS]

00:29:27   we've talked about the black stump in [TS]

00:29:28   yet another episode of Hello internet [TS]

00:29:29   how do those t-shirt sales go [TS]

00:29:32   do you know what did I k they did I k @ [TS]

00:29:39   I've got I've got mine that's all that [TS]

00:29:41   really matters [TS]

00:29:41   ok and i and i am going to add later [TS]

00:29:45   this year and don't think I'm not going [TS]

00:29:47   to be taken that t-shirt and taking a [TS]

00:29:48   photo at the prudential center i look [TS]

00:29:50   forward to seeing it on twitter i wonder [TS]

00:29:52   what the people who like work in the [TS]

00:29:54   black stuff will think if I just left [TS]

00:29:55   turn up at reception wearing that [TS]

00:29:56   t-shirt just say that a shit [TS]

00:29:59   well again given the way you draw on the [TS]

00:30:01   black stump and given the way it [TS]

00:30:03   actually looks they won't recognize it [TS]

00:30:05   they don't know what you're talking [TS]

00:30:06   about [TS]

00:30:07   why are you asking us about your [TS]

00:30:09   t-shirts are it makes no sense [TS]

00:30:11   yeah we love working here but why he got [TS]

00:30:13   a picture of the sears terrible teacher [TS]

00:30:15   and I still want to know of anybody who [TS]

00:30:20   works in the building listen to the [TS]

00:30:21   podcast I feel like there has to be one [TS]

00:30:23   now like I numbers are big enough [TS]

00:30:25   there's gotta be one dude who works at [TS]

00:30:27   moved in the flag stop to listen to the [TS]

00:30:29   podcast if they're if they are listening [TS]

00:30:32   and stubbornly refusing to identify [TS]

00:30:34   themselves then they're doing they're [TS]

00:30:35   doing a disservice to everyone command [TS]

00:30:37   him as a break your silence reveal [TS]

00:30:40   yourself at [TS]

00:30:41   or conversely if you're in adelaide Tim [TS]

00:30:46   why not get a job with the black stump i [TS]

00:30:49   have some incredibly dire news Brady no [TS]

00:30:53   I got this article which says uber is [TS]

00:30:57   going to it's a little bit it's a little [TS]

00:30:59   bit ambiguously worded but allow stroke [TS]

00:31:03   encourage tipping of their drivers [TS]

00:31:06   through the app or with cash [TS]

00:31:09   it looks like with cash like with actual [TS]

00:31:14   to dirty cash that I never carry any way [TS]

00:31:20   yeah like given given to a driver [TS]

00:31:24   this is this is this is not this is not [TS]

00:31:26   a good development [TS]

00:31:27   this is not a good development it looks [TS]

00:31:29   like it's the result of some dumb [TS]

00:31:30   lawsuit in California about like [TS]

00:31:32   employee rights or whatever but like for [TS]

00:31:34   me it's like the end result result for [TS]

00:31:36   me like somehow this translates into [TS]

00:31:39   uber I don't even know if it's [TS]

00:31:41   everywhere if it's just in California [TS]

00:31:43   was just some places but like there may [TS]

00:31:45   be situations now where I have to worry [TS]

00:31:48   about like I'm gonna get into an uber [TS]

00:31:49   and the dude on the other end is going [TS]

00:31:51   to be expecting or waiting for a tip and [TS]

00:31:54   then we have this like mutual blackmail [TS]

00:31:57   for each other that if i don't get him [TS]

00:31:59   he's going to give me a bad star rating [TS]

00:32:01   I think this is a terrible development [TS]

00:32:03   for all of human civilization [TS]

00:32:06   i'm not i just don't feel like caving to [TS]

00:32:08   that just like he won't cave to the [TS]

00:32:10   instructions regarding towels clapping [TS]

00:32:13   I'm just gonna be like I just said I I [TS]

00:32:16   don't carry money on me I don't carry [TS]

00:32:18   money on me that's why i'm getting over [TS]

00:32:19   that is my gut feeling as well like that [TS]

00:32:22   this article has actually been on my [TS]

00:32:24   mind a surprising him house with someone [TS]

00:32:26   sent it to me like a week ago like it [TS]

00:32:28   keeps getting turned over and over in my [TS]

00:32:30   brain I have come to the same conclusion [TS]

00:32:32   as you that i'm just going to stonewall [TS]

00:32:35   this I'll just take that one star rating [TS]

00:32:37   from an uber driver who doesn't like it [TS]

00:32:39   but like I think i'm going to refuse to [TS]

00:32:41   tip Boober drivers just on principle [TS]

00:32:44   like this is not going to happen man [TS]

00:32:45   it's not even dishonest I that because I [TS]

00:32:48   think I'm just sort of thinking it [TS]

00:32:50   through my head and I think it might be [TS]

00:32:51   true that the last five countries i've [TS]

00:32:54   been to [TS]

00:32:55   I have not touched any currency of that [TS]

00:32:58   country [TS]

00:32:59   mm like I've not taken cash out I was in [TS]

00:33:03   Paris a few days ago and I didn't touch [TS]

00:33:05   any euros I don't think I got any money [TS]

00:33:07   out when I was in India who more or in [TS]

00:33:11   return I had some US dollars on me from [TS]

00:33:15   previous trips that i was able to use to [TS]

00:33:16   tip my guides and things but you just [TS]

00:33:20   don't I just don't bother getting money [TS]

00:33:22   anymore so far if I arrived in some [TS]

00:33:24   country and jump in and over from the [TS]

00:33:25   airport and go into town [TS]

00:33:27   I've got nothing to tip them with anyway [TS]

00:33:28   I was thinking the same thing and I was [TS]

00:33:31   running over some of my trips like I [TS]

00:33:33   recently went to the continent like I've [TS]

00:33:34   been out of the UK and I realized two [TS]

00:33:37   things one is that I haven't touched a [TS]

00:33:40   physical euro in I can't remember how [TS]

00:33:43   long like I haven't just gotten any out [TS]

00:33:45   and it is because like wow [TS]

00:33:47   RR futuristic cashless society has [TS]

00:33:49   gotten to the point where it's it's good [TS]

00:33:51   enough that I can just assume that i [TS]

00:33:53   will never have to touch physical [TS]

00:33:55   physical cash [TS]

00:33:57   the only time i will touch physical cash [TS]

00:33:59   going somewhere is going to the United [TS]

00:34:01   States because they're people will chase [TS]

00:34:04   you down the street if you don't give [TS]

00:34:06   them their blackmail tips and also [TS]

00:34:08   because of the legal things we mentioned [TS]

00:34:09   before that you do have to tip in [TS]

00:34:11   America for some reasons like you know [TS]

00:34:13   we don't have to go want to revisit that [TS]

00:34:14   whole thing again [TS]

00:34:15   yeah but like in America yes i will [TS]

00:34:18   intentionally try to carry cash but I [TS]

00:34:20   also realized a couple months ago in the [TS]

00:34:23   UK that partially because of actually [TS]

00:34:28   having apple pay on my watch like I use [TS]

00:34:30   Apple pay for just about every single [TS]

00:34:31   store that I go to now and I've actually [TS]

00:34:33   changed some of my routines to avoid [TS]

00:34:35   stores that don't accept contactless [TS]

00:34:37   payments like no contactless payment I [TS]

00:34:40   don't even want to have to touch your [TS]

00:34:41   little buttons on the pin pad when i'm [TS]

00:34:42   buying something forget it like I'm [TS]

00:34:44   gonna I'm gonna walk to the store next [TS]

00:34:46   door to not have to not have to handle [TS]

00:34:48   even just the card transaction but so [TS]

00:34:50   anyway I realize like I use cash so [TS]

00:34:54   infrequently that I ended up buying one [TS]

00:34:57   of these little micro wallets that is [TS]

00:35:00   only big enough to hold a couple of my [TS]

00:35:03   credit cards and these a couple little [TS]

00:35:06   key cards that i use for entry into [TS]

00:35:08   my office and nothing else there's an [TS]

00:35:11   even space in it like I couldn't I [TS]

00:35:13   couldn't have small denominations of [TS]

00:35:16   cash if I even wanted to and I got this [TS]

00:35:18   a few months ago thinking like oh maybe [TS]

00:35:20   I'm going to regret this and the answer [TS]

00:35:21   is nope I've never regretted it since [TS]

00:35:24   like I put in 150 pound note in my [TS]

00:35:26   wallet for emergencies and that 50 pound [TS]

00:35:29   note has remained there forever unbroken [TS]

00:35:32   I've never had to use it i know i'm mr. [TS]

00:35:34   old-fashioned but I have to say the [TS]

00:35:35   contactless payment has really won me [TS]

00:35:38   over [TS]

00:35:38   it's the basket yeah i really like it so [TS]

00:35:41   you know I'm on board with you i think [TS]

00:35:43   it's a real shame if / are going to [TS]

00:35:45   pressure tipping I imagine maybe it's [TS]

00:35:47   going to be introduced into the app [TS]

00:35:48   which will take away one of the things i [TS]

00:35:50   like about you but I know lift does have [TS]

00:35:52   tipping it's just a mess look I don't [TS]

00:35:53   care if I have to tip I just don't want [TS]

00:35:55   to have the interaction put in the [TS]

00:35:57   bloody app and I'll do it [TS]

00:35:59   just put it in the app shut up i'm with [TS]

00:36:02   you most of the way here is and again [TS]

00:36:04   like to clarify for people we are again [TS]

00:36:06   is not an issue about being cheap it's [TS]

00:36:08   just an issue about having to think [TS]

00:36:09   about it like the mental burden of this [TS]

00:36:11   that's a little bit of an interaction [TS]

00:36:12   but even I i originally thought like oh [TS]

00:36:16   in the app will be better and it is [TS]

00:36:18   better but i've been using I don't know [TS]

00:36:21   if you've used any of these but these [TS]

00:36:23   these are services now that like they [TS]

00:36:25   can go to restaurants for you and pick [TS]

00:36:27   up food so there's there's a whole bunch [TS]

00:36:29   of companies that do this now in the UK [TS]

00:36:31   is like deliver and quick up and there's [TS]

00:36:33   like a ton of these this is one of these [TS]

00:36:35   businesses that it seems like it's [TS]

00:36:36   exploded all of a sudden and he's like [TS]

00:36:39   guys on bikes riding all over the city [TS]

00:36:42   picking up stuff from restaurants and [TS]

00:36:44   stores and delivering it to your right [TS]

00:36:46   and so every i found when he's like this [TS]

00:36:48   is the craziest thing ever like I'm [TS]

00:36:49   sitting at home and I want a burger and [TS]

00:36:51   I can't make a burger by compressive [TS]

00:36:53   buttons on my phone and like a man will [TS]

00:36:55   bring a burger to me from the other side [TS]

00:36:57   of the city this is fantastic so I love [TS]

00:37:00   these things but they do have tipping in [TS]

00:37:03   the app and it still has that same kind [TS]

00:37:06   of little bit of annoying frustration [TS]

00:37:08   and I think that this is perhaps like [TS]

00:37:12   almost the minimum amount of interaction [TS]

00:37:14   i could possibly have with the human [TS]

00:37:16   where they still seem to require a tip [TS]

00:37:18   because like so here's what happens from [TS]

00:37:20   my perspective I press some buttons [TS]

00:37:22   on my phone twenty minutes later a man [TS]

00:37:26   knocks on the door and very often [TS]

00:37:28   without saying a single word just hands [TS]

00:37:33   me a bag of my food and walks away right [TS]

00:37:36   and then the app pops up a little [TS]

00:37:39   feedback button and it says please rate [TS]

00:37:41   this person 125 stars and how much of a [TS]

00:37:44   tip do you want to give them and it [TS]

00:37:46   annoys me every time because it feels [TS]

00:37:47   like out what how is this how is this [TS]

00:37:50   even possible to be a tipping [TS]

00:37:52   interaction like what is what is the [TS]

00:37:54   range of outcomes that can be here like [TS]

00:37:57   as far as I'm concerned there should be [TS]

00:37:59   just one button which is like did the [TS]

00:38:01   person get the order correct yes or no [TS]

00:38:03   like that that seems like it should be [TS]

00:38:04   the only feedback here how how amazing [TS]

00:38:07   could this experience possibly be that I [TS]

00:38:09   would feel like yes I want to give the [TS]

00:38:11   person as as the app gives me the option [TS]

00:38:14   to and other like a hundred pounds worth [TS]

00:38:17   of tip like when is this ever going to [TS]

00:38:18   happen what the person possibly have [TS]

00:38:20   done i don't i don't understand and i [TS]

00:38:22   find it frustrating [TS]

00:38:23   well you don't you know you don't like [TS]

00:38:24   talking to paper so I don't you sound a [TS]

00:38:26   bit like you want your cake and eat it [TS]

00:38:28   too I mean but that'sthat's break this [TS]

00:38:30   down I mean what did they get there [TS]

00:38:32   quickly did they were they clean did [TS]

00:38:35   with it was the thing handed to a nice [TS]

00:38:37   clean fresh looking bag with a little [TS]

00:38:39   edge screwed up and had on the back of a [TS]

00:38:41   motorbike [TS]

00:38:42   I mean I guess there are scales of how [TS]

00:38:44   well they could have done that as [TS]

00:38:45   someone who has ordered probably a [TS]

00:38:47   hundred burgers now for his i am going [TS]

00:38:50   to tell you that the range of delivery [TS]

00:38:53   like the difference in experience is [TS]

00:38:55   functionally 0like from my perspective [TS]

00:38:57   it is exactly the same every time I i [TS]

00:39:01   mean i don't mind tipping people who [TS]

00:39:02   deliver things to me because I just keep [TS]

00:39:04   a big pot of money in the house lot of [TS]

00:39:05   coins and I just every time that the [TS]

00:39:07   door rings with the delivery I just [TS]

00:39:09   grabbed you know a couple of pound coins [TS]

00:39:11   and again the thing that I don't like is [TS]

00:39:13   the thinking about it every single time [TS]

00:39:14   if we were going to put in the app or if [TS]

00:39:16   any of these delivery services have [TS]

00:39:18   tipping in the app I just wish they [TS]

00:39:19   would let me just set a default amount [TS]

00:39:21   let me just pick two pounds or three [TS]

00:39:24   pounds or whatever and just do that [TS]

00:39:26   every time and never ask me again it's [TS]

00:39:28   just I don't want to ever have to think [TS]

00:39:29   about this but really I would prefer [TS]

00:39:31   that they pay their employees enough [TS]

00:39:33   like do I hope people don't like depend [TS]

00:39:35   on the tips that's what I don't want [TS]

00:39:36   yeah if i did it in the app I wouldn't [TS]

00:39:38   mind because I don't do the star rating [TS]

00:39:40   on over until the next day or next time [TS]

00:39:42   i turn my phone on so i wouldn't mind [TS]

00:39:44   when i did that pressing or 12 or three [TS]

00:39:46   dollar button that wouldn't bother me if [TS]

00:39:48   that's how it's gonna work but just [TS]

00:39:50   don't make it something that I have to [TS]

00:39:51   think about on the drive and how this is [TS]

00:39:53   gonna go with the driver [TS]

00:39:55   I don't want to be thinking about that i [TS]

00:39:56   love you know sometimes I have great [TS]

00:39:59   conversations with my uber driver had an [TS]

00:40:00   uber driver yesterday and we talked [TS]

00:40:02   about cricket and Formula One always [TS]

00:40:04   London and we had a great conversation [TS]

00:40:06   sometimes I don't talk to my uber driver [TS]

00:40:09   one word and I just jump out when i get [TS]

00:40:11   to the end I say thank you you know but [TS]

00:40:13   I jump out but I don't want to be [TS]

00:40:15   spending that drive thinking about or [TS]

00:40:17   what money of I got what hand should i [TS]

00:40:19   be holding in how am I gonna hand it to [TS]

00:40:21   them [TS]

00:40:21   I just want to be thinking about that i [TS]

00:40:23   really like that about over that you [TS]

00:40:25   know it's just what I wanted to be and [TS]

00:40:27   it'd be a real shame if that that [TS]

00:40:29   tipping thing creeps in but i don't mind [TS]

00:40:32   giving an extra dollar or two on top you [TS]

00:40:37   know just factored into that sort of [TS]

00:40:38   Nova costs in my head that's fine but [TS]

00:40:41   just let me do it in my app in my own [TS]

00:40:42   time you know when i'm sitting down [TS]

00:40:44   after I've done my work and I checked my [TS]

00:40:46   messages and Michael I've got to get my [TS]

00:40:47   uber driver is five stars and oh yeah he [TS]

00:40:50   was nice that guy i'll also check into [TS]

00:40:52   bucks right that's okay I'll do with [TS]

00:40:55   that but don't but don't don't put it in [TS]

00:40:57   their faces [TS]

00:40:58   I completely agree should be low stress [TS]

00:41:00   environment obviously most of the time I [TS]

00:41:02   don't prefer human interaction if I can [TS]

00:41:04   possibly avoid it i will pay extra to [TS]

00:41:06   not have human interaction if I possibly [TS]

00:41:07   can but I do find with ubers that [TS]

00:41:12   because I have an idea of how long is [TS]

00:41:16   this interaction going to be theirs [TS]

00:41:18   constraints around this environment that [TS]

00:41:21   sometimes I've his kids sound bad but [TS]

00:41:23   like i practice being social with the [TS]

00:41:26   uber drivers it's like let's have a [TS]

00:41:29   casual conversation with a stranger like [TS]

00:41:31   let's see how this goes [TS]

00:41:32   and I also know that it's a great time [TS]

00:41:34   to practice because this person is in a [TS]

00:41:37   sense being paid to be a meaningful to [TS]

00:41:39   me so it can't go terribly wrong and if [TS]

00:41:42   I know like okay well this can only last [TS]

00:41:44   ten possible minutes sometimes i will [TS]

00:41:46   like intentionally talk with the uber [TS]

00:41:48   driver [TS]

00:41:48   offers to just like this is how to talk [TS]

00:41:51   to strangers but don't worry it won't [TS]

00:41:53   last too long and it can't go terribly [TS]

00:41:54   wrong either so its practice [TS]

00:41:56   socialization that's another benefit of [TS]

00:41:58   over maybe you should be keeping I i [TS]

00:42:01   spent some time with a friend of mine [TS]

00:42:02   the other day who is a real expert in [TS]

00:42:04   the area of driverless cars [TS]

00:42:06   oh yes yeah he is and does a lot of work [TS]

00:42:10   in the UK to do with the traffic flow in [TS]

00:42:13   the phasing in of driverless cars anyway [TS]

00:42:15   we were talking about it quite a lot so [TS]

00:42:17   I did say to him what are they going to [TS]

00:42:19   be cold when they're out there and I [TS]

00:42:21   mean he didn't know obviously and I said [TS]

00:42:23   what do you call them in your in your [TS]

00:42:24   discussions you know you talk about them [TS]

00:42:26   every day you must have a name for them [TS]

00:42:28   has a question how do you do it how do [TS]

00:42:30   you differentiate them and he said they [TS]

00:42:33   do often call them driverless cars but [TS]

00:42:36   more often i will call them autonomous [TS]

00:42:39   vehicles and therefore they more often [TS]

00:42:42   called the Navy's so when they're [TS]

00:42:44   talking amongst themselves they usually [TS]

00:42:45   will call them a phase and I think [TS]

00:42:47   that's a pretty cool name because you [TS]

00:42:49   know SUV is a is a pretty cool term that [TS]

00:42:51   most people seem comfortable with an RV [TS]

00:42:53   and maybe av's is is not bad name for [TS]

00:42:57   them so I just lightly I throw that out [TS]

00:42:59   there for you i know you I know you [TS]

00:43:00   still like autos but maybe we're gonna [TS]

00:43:02   end up calling them a vase that this is [TS]

00:43:05   this is why you're so good just like you [TS]

00:43:06   think of these interesting questions and [TS]

00:43:09   like it seems obvious in retrospect the [TS]

00:43:10   lake yet someone working on this stuff [TS]

00:43:12   they must in their lingo have a way to [TS]

00:43:15   shorten the phrase driverless cars like [TS]

00:43:19   that that phrase is just crazy long for [TS]

00:43:21   a thing that you're going to say 200 [TS]

00:43:22   times a day [TS]

00:43:23   yeah and normally I don't like the the [TS]

00:43:26   breaking things down to a series of [TS]

00:43:28   letters but I think you're right like AV [TS]

00:43:31   if it fits in a pre-existing framework [TS]

00:43:35   yeah of SUV and RV yeah it does have the [TS]

00:43:39   problem of you know audio-visual of [TS]

00:43:40   course an Davey is a very much a big [TS]

00:43:42   term of its own but what I think [TS]

00:43:44   ya like like a lot of like a lot of [TS]

00:43:47   businesses will have like a navy [TS]

00:43:48   department or I you know or an AV room [TS]

00:43:51   which is the audiovisual room and so it [TS]

00:43:53   is it is a thing but well you can you're [TS]

00:43:55   probably demonstrating by not being [TS]

00:43:57   familiar with the term yourself that I [TS]

00:43:59   also think it's separate enough from the [TS]

00:44:01   automotive industry [TS]

00:44:02   sorry that I think it could exist on his [TS]

00:44:03   own I think Ivy is a strong candidate I [TS]

00:44:07   actually think it's a better candidate [TS]

00:44:08   than autos myself but anyway just was [TS]

00:44:12   putting in the mix for you [TS]

00:44:13   oh yeah don't like I'm always having fun [TS]

00:44:15   futilely pushing autos uphill there [TS]

00:44:17   right like I know I I have fun with that [TS]

00:44:19   my my genuine prediction is is still [TS]

00:44:23   what I said you know when the video [TS]

00:44:24   first came out that we're just going to [TS]

00:44:26   call them cars that this that this is [TS]

00:44:29   the same kind of of transition like [TS]

00:44:31   smartphone that I feel like we're pretty [TS]

00:44:33   much on the other side of the smartphone [TS]

00:44:35   transition where it's just back to [TS]

00:44:37   people calling them phones [TS]

00:44:38   yeah that there's no real need to have [TS]

00:44:41   this distinction anymore between [TS]

00:44:42   smartphones and phones because you can [TS]

00:44:44   just assume that everybody's phone is [TS]

00:44:46   smart and I think that the the cars are [TS]

00:44:48   going to go through that exact same [TS]

00:44:49   thing we're going to have a little bit [TS]

00:44:50   of a phase where they're called [TS]

00:44:52   autonomous or whatever and then it's [TS]

00:44:53   gonna just going to slide right back and [TS]

00:44:55   back to cars and it's like when when [TS]

00:44:57   where cars not self-driving like people [TS]

00:44:59   won't even remember how long do you [TS]

00:45:01   think that phase will be that that that [TS]

00:45:04   time we will need it even need a [TS]

00:45:06   differentiator like how long is the [TS]

00:45:08   period in debate when human-driven cars [TS]

00:45:11   and navies are sharing the road [TS]

00:45:13   I mean I know you were getting a few [TS]

00:45:14   autonomous vehicles already but that [TS]

00:45:16   they're still very novel how long do you [TS]

00:45:18   think that the time will be that we're [TS]

00:45:21   sharing in a mainstream driving is [TS]

00:45:24   shared between human driven cars and [TS]

00:45:26   autonomous vehicles is it going to be [TS]

00:45:27   like two years is going to be 30 years [TS]

00:45:30   like you know what would you mention [TS]

00:45:31   this kind of thing is very hard to say [TS]

00:45:33   but say you know way closer to two years [TS]

00:45:36   than 30 years [TS]

00:45:37   yeah I know it's not quite the same the [TS]

00:45:39   analogy that i'm going to make here but [TS]

00:45:41   I think it's a good frame of reference [TS]

00:45:42   which is which is again going back to [TS]

00:45:44   smartphones I think smartphones took [TS]

00:45:48   over so fast because they had such [TS]

00:45:53   incredible economic utility for people [TS]

00:45:56   and you know you give you like rewind [TS]

00:46:00   back to 2005 lots of people didn't feel [TS]

00:46:04   like they needed a smartphone and I [TS]

00:46:06   talked to I talked to just about [TS]

00:46:07   everybody about autonomous cars like I [TS]

00:46:09   think it's a really interesting topic [TS]

00:46:10   and i'm also always really interested to [TS]

00:46:13   see how people [TS]

00:46:15   react to the topic like what you know [TS]

00:46:17   what do they think about this I can and [TS]

00:46:19   how do they react to the very idea and [TS]

00:46:22   like okay so i've had this theory which [TS]

00:46:23   i think is kind of born out by some of [TS]

00:46:26   the very early autonomous car stuff [TS]

00:46:28   where I think most people will approach [TS]

00:46:31   autonomous cars is like oh this is maybe [TS]

00:46:34   it's like not something I need or maybe [TS]

00:46:36   it's not something that's realistic or [TS]

00:46:38   maybe it's not something that's possible [TS]

00:46:40   and then as soon as someone is able to [TS]

00:46:42   like sit in an autonomous car even a [TS]

00:46:45   limited autonomous car it becomes two [TS]

00:46:48   things straight away boring it becomes [TS]

00:46:51   very boring like visit this is a report [TS]

00:46:53   from almost everybody who's done any [TS]

00:46:54   kind of riding an autonomous cars they [TS]

00:46:57   remarked on how immediately you get used [TS]

00:47:00   to it and it just seems totally normal [TS]

00:47:01   and then the second thing which i think [TS]

00:47:04   is a very human factor is people then [TS]

00:47:06   immediately start focusing on all of the [TS]

00:47:09   limitations i was like five minutes ago [TS]

00:47:12   you were doubtful about this thing and [TS]

00:47:14   now you're wondering well why can't just [TS]

00:47:16   drive anywhere ever want to go I want [TS]

00:47:18   more practice like now I want this to do [TS]

00:47:20   so much more [TS]

00:47:21   I think that's the transition that [TS]

00:47:22   happens in people's mind from like [TS]

00:47:24   doubtful too boring to why can't do [TS]

00:47:28   absolutely everything I really think [TS]

00:47:30   there's going to be just like a [TS]

00:47:32   tremendous pole and even if they're not [TS]

00:47:37   workable under all scenarios i think the [TS]

00:47:41   transition will actually be quite quick [TS]

00:47:43   and especially when you combine this [TS]

00:47:45   with a few other ideas that again like [TS]

00:47:48   the autonomous car thing really breaks [TS]

00:47:50   down by age with people that I find [TS]

00:47:51   super interesting of like the older [TS]

00:47:53   person is there always framing it in the [TS]

00:47:56   idea of like oh I don't want to buy an [TS]

00:47:59   autonomous car like that tends to be the [TS]

00:48:01   feeling of it like I like driving i know [TS]

00:48:03   i don't want to buy an autonomous car [TS]

00:48:05   but then the younger the person is the [TS]

00:48:09   the thought tends to flip much more of [TS]

00:48:12   this idea like renting an autonomous car [TS]

00:48:15   right being able to have access to an [TS]

00:48:17   autonomous car and having it show up to [TS]

00:48:19   them whenever whenever they need it so I [TS]

00:48:22   also think that kind of thing will make [TS]

00:48:23   a transition much much faster than we [TS]

00:48:26   might expect because on unlike I [TS]

00:48:29   phones or android phones where you have [TS]

00:48:31   to manufacture one for every single [TS]

00:48:34   person on the face of the earth to [TS]

00:48:36   personally owned the manufacturing [TS]

00:48:38   capabilities for cars is obviously much [TS]

00:48:40   lower and much slower than it is for [TS]

00:48:42   smartphones but i think the difference [TS]

00:48:44   is a company like uber for example can [TS]

00:48:47   service a lot of people with a smaller [TS]

00:48:51   number of autonomous cars so I i expect [TS]

00:48:55   once once these things are really on the [TS]

00:48:57   road that it's going to be a relatively [TS]

00:48:59   fast transition period you know and [TS]

00:49:02   it'll it'll be limited entirely by [TS]

00:49:05   manufacturing capability that it'll just [TS]

00:49:07   be a huge economic demand and and just [TS]

00:49:11   it's just a question of like how fast [TS]

00:49:12   can people get them on the roads [TS]

00:49:14   I think that's what it's going to be [TS]

00:49:15   another thing my friend told me I've not [TS]

00:49:17   actually saying this year I've just [TS]

00:49:18   while you were talking I was just [TS]

00:49:19   looking for a picture or video of it and [TS]

00:49:21   I haven't been able to find one but [TS]

00:49:22   apparently is happening and I I thought [TS]

00:49:24   even you would find a quite charming [TS]

00:49:26   they're trying a few autonomous small [TS]

00:49:29   autonomous cars or pods in a few places [TS]

00:49:32   around the UK and I think it might be a [TS]

00:49:34   city called milton keynes where that [TS]

00:49:36   there's no yelling at the moment and [TS]

00:49:38   what's happening at the moment he was [TS]

00:49:40   telling me because he wasn't sore and [TS]

00:49:41   found that very amusing was these things [TS]

00:49:44   obviously the moment going incredibly [TS]

00:49:45   slowly and then having to explain to [TS]

00:49:48   people what they are and how it's [TS]

00:49:49   working at the moment is there is [TS]

00:49:51   literally someone who walks in front of [TS]

00:49:53   it and tells people this is an [TS]

00:49:55   autonomous car you know get out the way [TS]

00:49:56   and things like that and he was saying [TS]

00:49:57   it's like when they when cars with this [TS]

00:49:59   come around people would walk in front [TS]

00:50:02   of them.more with the top with a light [TS]

00:50:03   and things like that be careful [TS]

00:50:05   horseless carriage is coming and [TS]

00:50:08   apparently it looks just like that it's [TS]

00:50:10   really really out fashion you've got [TS]

00:50:11   this super high-tech care with the human [TS]

00:50:14   walking in front of it clearing people [TS]

00:50:15   at the way so they don't all jump in [TS]

00:50:17   front of the pod [TS]

00:50:18   that's fantastic that's a that's [TS]

00:50:20   absolutely fantastic [TS]

00:50:22   I've not seen it yet so if anyone's got [TS]

00:50:23   a picture or video of that happening to [TS]

00:50:25   share it because i want to say I'm not [TS]

00:50:27   even going to milton keynes to see that [TS]

00:50:29   where's Milton Keynes I might make a [TS]

00:50:31   trip but it's not by it's not that new [TS]

00:50:33   in case of fire from you it's it's not [TS]

00:50:36   in London this I don't know if you get [TS]

00:50:37   their own up today's episode has been [TS]

00:50:40   brought to you by however and you know [TS]

00:50:42   that may [TS]

00:50:42   since it means our modeling amusing in [TS]

00:50:45   joke offer code but before we get to [TS]

00:50:47   that a reminder of what harbor is [TS]

00:50:50   basically harmless a ridiculously easy [TS]

00:50:52   and convenient way to register domain [TS]

00:50:55   names i use it [TS]

00:50:56   gray user and you probably should too [TS]

00:50:59   just some of the reasons to register [TS]

00:51:01   your demands with Harbor include the [TS]

00:51:02   fact you can go about your business [TS]

00:51:04   without all those annoying upsells [TS]

00:51:06   always trying to get you to pay for [TS]

00:51:07   something else when you're buying a [TS]

00:51:08   domain and things that should be [TS]

00:51:10   included [TS]

00:51:11   anyway like who is privacy are [TS]

00:51:13   automatically included there's no extra [TS]

00:51:15   press really fair dealing with however [TS]

00:51:17   however also has over 400 different [TS]

00:51:21   domain extensions so for example if you [TS]

00:51:24   don't fancy.com or maybe the doc [TS]

00:51:26   conversions taken or maybe it's not [TS]

00:51:28   appropriate [TS]

00:51:29   you can try all sorts of other fancy or [TS]

00:51:31   better ones like for example dot science [TS]

00:51:34   or dot cricket or maybe dot beer you [TS]

00:51:39   could be bringing a new beer and need to [TS]

00:51:40   promote those you can also get colors [TS]

00:51:42   like dot blue dot red and dark black [TS]

00:51:46   there are others but disappointingly dot [TS]

00:51:49   gray is not yet available [TS]

00:51:51   we're gonna have to wait for that 1i [TS]

00:51:53   think it'd be surprised how many people [TS]

00:51:55   have good use for a domain from time to [TS]

00:51:57   time it could be a business use or it [TS]

00:51:59   could be just for fun [TS]

00:52:00   maybe you're getting married and want to [TS]

00:52:02   create a website for your wedding [TS]

00:52:04   maybe you're an artist and just want a [TS]

00:52:06   nice way to show off your work there [TS]

00:52:08   were all sorts of great reasons to have [TS]

00:52:10   a domain and there are lots of reasons [TS]

00:52:12   you should choose however as you [TS]

00:52:13   register so won't go to Harvard dot-com [TS]

00:52:16   and see if your ideas available and if [TS]

00:52:19   it is you can snap it up with ten [TS]

00:52:21   percent of your first purchase to get [TS]

00:52:24   that discount you just need to use the [TS]

00:52:26   offer code cheer pressure on checkout so [TS]

00:52:30   that's hard com go about your business [TS]

00:52:32   and then use the offer code cheer [TS]

00:52:34   pressure here on my screen cheer [TS]

00:52:36   pressure that's all one word and that's [TS]

00:52:38   gonna perkasie in an uppercase P as it [TS]

00:52:40   was sent to me i don't know how [TS]

00:52:42   important that is but I just thought I'd [TS]

00:52:43   tell you overcame cheer pressure and our [TS]

00:52:47   thanks to hover for supporting hello [TS]

00:52:49   Internet gray want to talk about [TS]

00:52:52   football [TS]

00:52:53   this is soccer football but i'm just [TS]

00:52:54   gonna I'll try [TS]

00:52:56   say football because that's what it is [TS]

00:52:57   to me now no okay do you know what [TS]

00:52:59   happened in England this season [TS]

00:53:01   I mean I'm is this going to be another [TS]

00:53:05   conversation Brady where I need to humor [TS]

00:53:07   you for a while you can as I don't know [TS]

00:53:11   what happened i didn't know there's a [TS]

00:53:13   season I don't know anything about this [TS]

00:53:15   i feel like we can't do like we can't [TS]

00:53:21   both live in England and talk about [TS]

00:53:23   stuff happening in the world and not [TS]

00:53:25   talk about the most remarkable sporting [TS]

00:53:27   story that has happened in a very very [TS]

00:53:30   long time but it is always something [TS]

00:53:32   like what didn't dent your quick thing [TS]

00:53:34   wasn't your quick thing like a [TS]

00:53:36   remarkable story last time they saw you [TS]

00:53:38   know I know but I'm just going to say [TS]

00:53:39   one thing about the the upper echelon of [TS]

00:53:42   football soccer in the UK is this thing [TS]

00:53:45   called the Premier League or the program [TS]

00:53:47   and it's just incredibly huge industry [TS]

00:53:50   me even you must know its popular around [TS]

00:53:52   the world you go to Africa and [TS]

00:53:53   everyone's wearing you know manchester [TS]

00:53:55   united and arsenal shirt people like [TS]

00:53:57   their soccer I know that so much money [TS]

00:53:59   has poured into the top few clubs that [TS]

00:54:02   winning this thing actually winning the [TS]

00:54:04   league has become a real monopoly and [TS]

00:54:05   they're only sort of a few teams a [TS]

00:54:07   handful of teams that have a chance of [TS]

00:54:09   winning it [TS]

00:54:10   ok so let me just party there for a [TS]

00:54:11   second just to clarify something yeah [TS]

00:54:12   the way the team's work this is not like [TS]

00:54:17   the NFL in America we know is [TS]

00:54:20   unintentionally kind of social list [TS]

00:54:23   where there are you distributing the [TS]

00:54:24   money all of the day I'm trying to keep [TS]

00:54:26   the team's even now so this is much more [TS]

00:54:28   like like the National the National [TS]

00:54:31   Baseball League it is more like that but [TS]

00:54:33   it is more like major league baseball [TS]

00:54:35   ticket sales are funding the teams so [TS]

00:54:37   you can get a snowball effect go [TS]

00:54:39   I'm and it is 2 i'm in the NFL the [TS]

00:54:41   football in America has a draft so that [TS]

00:54:43   choosing the players is shared around [TS]

00:54:46   and weaker teams get preferential draft [TS]

00:54:49   picks so they can strengthen their team [TS]

00:54:51   and stronger teams get inferior draft [TS]

00:54:54   picks so they can't because good players [TS]

00:54:56   it's like settlers of catan it has an [TS]

00:54:58   inbuilt hobble the leader yakked right [TS]

00:55:01   and you're saying that that the soccer [TS]

00:55:03   games so could you not have that soccer [TS]

00:55:05   does not have that they're okay but they [TS]

00:55:06   tried they tried to introduce a few [TS]

00:55:08   things [TS]

00:55:09   to make things fair but it doesn't work [TS]

00:55:10   so the money is shared like that the [TS]

00:55:13   television money is shared among the [TS]

00:55:14   clubs but if your club is owned by a [TS]

00:55:17   russian billionaire who liked like [TS]

00:55:19   Chelsea then you have a lot more money [TS]

00:55:21   you can buy better players you can buy [TS]

00:55:23   the cream of the crop from all around [TS]

00:55:24   the world assemble this incredible squad [TS]

00:55:27   of players and pretty much guarantee [TS]

00:55:29   you're going to be near the top of the [TS]

00:55:30   league [TS]

00:55:31   luzhou so every year the same few teams [TS]

00:55:33   win the premier leg and the other teams [TS]

00:55:35   fight it out for the middle places and [TS]

00:55:38   the bottom places [TS]

00:55:39   ok the other thing that's worth noting [TS]

00:55:41   about the way soccer works that's [TS]

00:55:43   different from american sport is the [TS]

00:55:45   bottom in the case of the Premiership [TS]

00:55:47   the bottom three teams every season if [TS]

00:55:49   you finish in the bottom three you get [TS]

00:55:51   kicked out of the leg and you go down to [TS]

00:55:54   a lower leg some term got it [TS]

00:55:56   this is a city in England called Lester [TS]

00:55:59   and their their team's leicester city [TS]

00:56:00   and i'm quite familiar with Lester [TS]

00:56:01   because i used to live right near at up [TS]

00:56:03   into Leicester millions of times i used [TS]

00:56:05   to work there for the baby say they just [TS]

00:56:07   got up to the Premiership the top league [TS]

00:56:09   cup few seasons ago and actually last [TS]

00:56:12   year as the season was drawing to an end [TS]

00:56:14   they were in bottom place and they were [TS]

00:56:16   certain to be relegated down to the [TS]

00:56:17   lower league so their time with the big [TS]

00:56:19   boys was nearly over and that amazingly [TS]

00:56:22   they had a strong finish to the season [TS]

00:56:24   and they just stayed up miraculously [TS]

00:56:26   they got out of that bottom three and [TS]

00:56:28   then managed to stay in the Premiership [TS]

00:56:30   for another year [TS]

00:56:31   ok this season when the bookmakers were [TS]

00:56:34   doing the odds the odds of Leicester [TS]

00:56:35   City winning the premiership-winning at [TS]

00:56:37   all was literally five thousand to one [TS]

00:56:40   of you walk into a bookmaker and gave [TS]

00:56:42   them a pound you would get 5,000 pounds [TS]

00:56:46   if they won the league and and [TS]

00:56:48   bookmakers were happily taking the bets [TS]

00:56:49   who if anyone was stupid enough to do it [TS]

00:56:52   well what happened was listed city did [TS]

00:56:53   win the premiership this season [TS]

00:56:55   well in in one of the most remarkable [TS]

00:56:57   like just all here that is plotted along [TS]

00:56:59   and they kept winning and drawing and [TS]

00:57:01   having a good season and i will right [TS]

00:57:02   near the top and everyone was saying [TS]

00:57:04   I've done so well so no drop away but [TS]

00:57:07   they've done really well and they just [TS]

00:57:09   never dropped away and all the big teams [TS]

00:57:11   that always win everything [TS]

00:57:12   most of them just had sort of mediocre [TS]

00:57:14   seasons and it was just the stars align [TS]

00:57:17   and these underdogs with this really [TS]

00:57:19   cheap squad of players that costs a [TS]

00:57:21   fraction of what [TS]

00:57:22   all the other teams cost just kept [TS]

00:57:24   plugging away kept winning and they want [TS]

00:57:26   the whole league and that was the most [TS]

00:57:27   remarkable fairytale story and let [TS]

00:57:30   everyone in the country pretty much [TS]

00:57:32   started supporting them and getting [TS]

00:57:33   behind them but the thing that I found [TS]

00:57:35   quite interesting as well who was the [TS]

00:57:37   way that betting on football works now [TS]

00:57:39   has changed in recent years and i don't [TS]

00:57:41   know if you know about this but I've got [TS]

00:57:42   this cash out option so if you bet on [TS]

00:57:45   something and that thing but looks like [TS]

00:57:47   it's becoming increasingly likely [TS]

00:57:49   bookmakers give you this chance to cash [TS]

00:57:52   out you're better at like lower odds so [TS]

00:57:54   as lesson yeah [TS]

00:57:56   as Lester season was continuing yeah [TS]

00:57:58   yeah these like died had stupid fans [TS]

00:58:02   that put like 10 pounds on Lester to win [TS]

00:58:04   the league just throwing their money [TS]

00:58:05   away suddenly they were sitting on like [TS]

00:58:07   this incredible lottery ticket that was [TS]

00:58:09   going to win them a whole stack of money [TS]

00:58:10   so the bookmaker start saying well if [TS]

00:58:12   you cash out now we'll catch that better [TS]

00:58:14   at a hundred-to-one 1 202 one and then [TS]

00:58:17   you're left with this dilemma [TS]

00:58:18   so I love these Lester fans halfway [TS]

00:58:20   through the season started cashing out [TS]

00:58:22   these bets and then there's all [TS]

00:58:23   obviously there's these stories of these [TS]

00:58:25   diehard fans that waited all the way to [TS]

00:58:27   the end and now get this incredible [TS]

00:58:28   payday has been a fantastic story gray [TS]

00:58:30   and it's one of the times that I'm said [TS]

00:58:32   you're not into sport my takeaway from [TS]

00:58:36   that is mostly on circling around [TS]

00:58:38   well this is cashing out early thing [TS]

00:58:40   they're really works for the BET makers [TS]

00:58:42   favor they're not they're not doing you [TS]

00:58:45   any favors for you [TS]

00:58:47   with who you can catch out now right [TS]

00:58:50   because if a team gets halfway through [TS]

00:58:53   the season with incredibly unlikely odds [TS]

00:58:55   the odds of them winning aren't not [TS]

00:58:57   incredibly unlikely any more rightly [TS]

00:58:59   it's changed and so of course of course [TS]

00:59:03   the bookies will do anything to get you [TS]

00:59:06   to reassess your bat and caching you out [TS]

00:59:08   from their perspective is is the winning [TS]

00:59:10   play every time that's actually it's [TS]

00:59:13   it's it's it's interesting it's an [TS]

00:59:16   interesting it is an interesting dilemma [TS]

00:59:17   it's become a really big passport now [TS]

00:59:19   even like an individual games like if [TS]

00:59:22   you bet on manchester united to win five [TS]

00:59:24   know which is an unlikely score [TS]

00:59:26   who [TS]

00:59:27   and and 17 minutes into a 90-minute game [TS]

00:59:29   therefore Neil up you can cash out in [TS]

00:59:32   the middle of the game like you can [TS]

00:59:34   press a button on your app and so I'm [TS]

00:59:35   gonna cash out and take a portion of my [TS]

00:59:38   winnings because i don't think they're [TS]

00:59:39   going to score that final go in the next [TS]

00:59:41   20 minutes but i want i want to have a [TS]

00:59:43   big win so it's become this whole and [TS]

00:59:45   obviously it's all very mathematical so [TS]

00:59:47   and you're right that you know the [TS]

00:59:48   bookmakers are trying to incentivize you [TS]

00:59:50   and what there's a lot of dynamics going [TS]

00:59:52   on there you should do a number file [TS]

00:59:54   video on this but I feel like my you [TS]

00:59:57   know and of course what matters here [TS]

00:59:58   about to have a gun tree [TS]

00:59:58   about to have a gun tree [TS]

01:00:00   action which if mathematics is taught as [TS]

01:00:02   anything is that humans are terrible and [TS]

01:00:04   statistical gut reactions right yeah but [TS]

01:00:07   my gut reaction is there can't ever be [TS]

01:00:11   our to phrase this that over the long [TS]

01:00:15   run [TS]

01:00:16   there's no winning strategy which [TS]

01:00:19   involves cashing out early right that it [TS]

01:00:21   seems to me like that should always be [TS]

01:00:23   the statistically wrong thing to do to [TS]

01:00:26   cash out early but maybe I'm wrong maybe [TS]

01:00:28   there's a scenario under which that's [TS]

01:00:30   not the case i'd be curious to know how [TS]

01:00:31   well this is the scenario would have [TS]

01:00:33   been if things went to as they should [TS]

01:00:35   have been in leicester city started [TS]

01:00:37   losing football games because Leicester [TS]

01:00:38   City just aren't supposed to win that [TS]

01:00:40   many football games so if I halfway [TS]

01:00:41   through the season ever just what you're [TS]

01:00:43   looking you're looking backwards in time [TS]

01:00:45   now I don't mean is there a scenario [TS]

01:00:47   under which if you had known the future [TS]

01:00:49   you could have better i'm saying that [TS]

01:00:51   halfway through any kind of sporting [TS]

01:00:54   season or sporting game if you're given [TS]

01:00:56   the option by a bookie to cash out [TS]

01:00:59   I feel like that has to be [TS]

01:01:00   definitionally the incorrect strategic [TS]

01:01:03   play to make yeah I see what he's saying [TS]

01:01:06   and obviously the bookmakers a [TS]

01:01:07   constantly changing and adjusting odds [TS]

01:01:10   to ensure the best outcome for [TS]

01:01:12   themselves [TS]

01:01:13   I I heard some bookmakers being [TS]

01:01:15   interviewed about actually and they did [TS]

01:01:17   say something interesting because [TS]

01:01:18   obviously they took this tremendous hit [TS]

01:01:20   on the all these lists the city friends [TS]

01:01:21   even if they bet just a few pounds they [TS]

01:01:23   were winning you know tens of thousands [TS]

01:01:25   of pounds blues bet and I was saying to [TS]

01:01:27   the bookmakers are you must be just you [TS]

01:01:29   must be devastated because you're taking [TS]

01:01:30   such a big hit on this on this unlikely [TS]

01:01:32   outcome and they said that's true we've [TS]

01:01:35   taken a big hit today because of this [TS]

01:01:36   but all season [TS]

01:01:38   leicester city have been winning games [TS]

01:01:39   no one expected them to win and we've [TS]

01:01:42   been taking money on all those games yes [TS]

01:01:44   yeah I feel like that that's the case of [TS]

01:01:45   people not understanding how bookmaking [TS]

01:01:47   works exactly [TS]

01:01:49   if you think like all these poor [TS]

01:01:50   bookmakers having to pay out these big [TS]

01:01:52   ones like but where do you think that [TS]

01:01:54   money came from practice like that [TS]

01:01:55   killed four people on the other side of [TS]

01:01:57   the best at and the other thing that [TS]

01:01:59   people are forgetting about this is it's [TS]

01:02:02   almost become the defining attribute of [TS]

01:02:05   this leicester city win has been that [TS]

01:02:07   they were 5,000 to one who has become [TS]

01:02:09   the thing over the media is picked up on [TS]

01:02:11   that you could like that was shown what [TS]

01:02:13   all she could [TS]

01:02:13   get on them finding the Loch Ness [TS]

01:02:14   monster or Elvis being alive and and the [TS]

01:02:17   odds were always better like this was so [TS]

01:02:19   unlikely that the other things were more [TS]

01:02:21   likely and it's been such a story and [TS]

01:02:23   documentaries about this is already [TS]

01:02:25   being made in the calling that you know [TS]

01:02:26   five thousand to one against the odds [TS]

01:02:28   and this has become it's almost like the [TS]

01:02:30   defining thing about this has become all [TS]

01:02:34   around gambling and odds and I just [TS]

01:02:36   think it's just publicity that the [TS]

01:02:38   bookmaking industry can't buy like it's [TS]

01:02:41   almost it's always become this message [TS]

01:02:42   that's going out there is you should [TS]

01:02:44   place bets because sometimes miracles [TS]

01:02:46   happen and you end and you'll win a [TS]

01:02:47   whole stack of money and it's like it's [TS]

01:02:49   a really negative message actually to be [TS]

01:02:51   putting out that you know they're really [TS]

01:02:53   glorifying gambling this whole thing so [TS]

01:02:55   I'd the bookmaker bookmakers are loving [TS]

01:02:57   it so I have to ask you then I mean that [TS]

01:02:59   you're saying always this is me it's an [TS]

01:03:00   amazing story right [TS]

01:03:01   yeah my question though is did leicester [TS]

01:03:05   city have some kind of Moneyball [TS]

01:03:07   strategy or was this just just the case [TS]

01:03:10   of well anything that has 5,000 to one [TS]

01:03:12   odds you should still at it you should [TS]

01:03:15   still expect that it happens every 5,000 [TS]

01:03:18   times yeah right it's like so so which [TS]

01:03:20   of these things was the outcome like [TS]

01:03:22   what was did they have something that [TS]

01:03:24   was opaque to the bookies or is this [TS]

01:03:27   just like look stuff happens sometimes [TS]

01:03:30   good good teams play worse than you [TS]

01:03:32   expect and bad teams play better than [TS]

01:03:34   you expect just the random chance [TS]

01:03:36   yeah i mean the thing that's different [TS]

01:03:37   is this happens over 38 games overseas [TS]

01:03:40   and normally that stuff [TS]

01:03:41   anyone can we not any day but normally [TS]

01:03:43   over 38 games these things to [TS]

01:03:44   traditionally even out but in answer to [TS]

01:03:46   your question I don't know the answer to [TS]

01:03:49   your question because I disappointing [TS]

01:03:51   you trying to wind me up with an amazing [TS]

01:03:53   story was like oh ok a thing happened [TS]

01:03:56   everyone has a theory everyone has [TS]

01:03:58   different theories on why it's like it's [TS]

01:04:00   like okay but it was a very at the very [TS]

01:04:02   least the coaches in coming out and [TS]

01:04:04   saying oh we had some incredible [TS]

01:04:04   strategy that nobody's ever thought of [TS]

01:04:06   that the coaches part of the story [TS]

01:04:08   actually the coaches Italian guy called [TS]

01:04:10   claudio ranieri and this was his first [TS]

01:04:12   season as coach he's probably getting [TS]

01:04:13   the lion's share of the credit for [TS]

01:04:15   having brought these disparate group of [TS]

01:04:18   men together and man manage them that [TS]

01:04:20   were classic kind of bad news bears [TS]

01:04:22   rejects him and he's been credited with [TS]

01:04:25   forming them into this sort of bed [TS]

01:04:27   two brothers that would die for each [TS]

01:04:28   other and and sort of turn them into [TS]

01:04:31   this unit on the on the field so it's [TS]

01:04:34   made the season really wonderful and so [TS]

01:04:36   many people on Twitter and social media [TS]

01:04:37   so you've got to talk to grab at [TS]

01:04:39   leicester city and I was sort of racking [TS]

01:04:41   my brains thinking what can i say to you [TS]

01:04:43   about it and I didn't think the gambling [TS]

01:04:45   was broken catching up [TS]

01:04:46   that's was probably the only could find [TS]

01:04:48   was that there was there is by far and [TS]

01:04:50   away the connectivity of entry [TS]

01:04:51   especially because you don't have for me [TS]

01:04:54   an example like oh the Oakland A's won [TS]

01:04:56   20 games in a row because they were [TS]

01:04:57   using this interesting technology to do [TS]

01:04:59   it is like maybe a thing just happened [TS]

01:05:00   by random I mean every like at you you [TS]

01:05:03   ask you know you ask different people [TS]

01:05:05   and they'll have their theory sport is [TS]

01:05:07   very polarizing like that some people [TS]

01:05:09   will bring it down to tactics and other [TS]

01:05:11   people will say it's because of other [TS]

01:05:13   people say it's because they've they [TS]

01:05:14   were drinking beetroot juice and you [TS]

01:05:16   anything else after sprouts yeah but [TS]

01:05:18   look at everybody has their own theory [TS]

01:05:20   because most people don't know anything [TS]

01:05:21   like that you know again it's like the [TS]

01:05:23   statistics of it tho show you a lot [TS]

01:05:24   about how these games or click you can [TS]

01:05:26   make statistical predictions about games [TS]

01:05:28   i think the thing about a statistical [TS]

01:05:29   prediction like one and five thousand is [TS]

01:05:31   again people don't understand that it [TS]

01:05:32   doesn't mean that it's impossible [TS]

01:05:34   like it's a thing that should happen but [TS]

01:05:36   incredibly rarely like maybe 1 in 5,000 [TS]

01:05:40   times if a 1 in 5,000 event never [TS]

01:05:43   occurred that would be weird right that [TS]

01:05:45   would mean something was wrong with your [TS]

01:05:47   your predictions over the over the long [TS]

01:05:49   run but it shouldn't have happened in my [TS]

01:05:50   lifetime [TS]

01:05:51   shut up because that because the chance [TS]

01:05:53   of my 60 70 80 years on earth [TS]

01:05:55   folding in that 5,000 years were pretty [TS]

01:05:57   unlikely but see now this is exactly why [TS]

01:06:00   it's a special and exciting game for you [TS]

01:06:02   braid exactly because for your lifetime [TS]

01:06:05   this statistically rare thing has [TS]

01:06:07   occurred in his pathetic isn't that [TS]

01:06:08   exciting for you so as successors when [TS]

01:06:11   you and I are point our successes to [TS]

01:06:12   take over how the internet into the next [TS]

01:06:14   generation looks like they're not going [TS]

01:06:16   to get to talk about this is just as [TS]

01:06:18   successors yeah well when we retire and [TS]

01:06:22   we're going to hand over the reins to [TS]

01:06:23   like a young two are they you know [TS]

01:06:25   younger people to young dudes talking to [TS]

01:06:28   take over at some point isn't that like [TS]

01:06:30   when that happened I had TV shows you [TS]

01:06:33   know you presenters come on and stuff [TS]

01:06:35   eventually we're going to have to hand [TS]

01:06:36   over the reins [TS]

01:06:37   no no it's ours where we burn it to the [TS]

01:06:41   ground [TS]

01:06:41   that's that's how did they rate gambling [TS]

01:06:48   for me is this funny topic where my [TS]

01:06:52   interest in gambling is shockingly high [TS]

01:06:55   like I find it a very very interesting [TS]

01:06:58   very very engaging subject but my [TS]

01:07:01   participation and it is basically zero [TS]

01:07:04   like it was essentially never actually [TS]

01:07:07   put down money on anything I got hit [TS]

01:07:10   just have no interest in doing it but [TS]

01:07:13   it's like once again like I'm country [TS]

01:07:15   going to Las Vegas probably the summer [TS]

01:07:17   is like I'm going to be hypnotized by [TS]

01:07:19   all of the gambling that takes place i'm [TS]

01:07:21   gonna be super interested in the casinos [TS]

01:07:23   and like all of the sports betting and [TS]

01:07:25   all of that kind of stuff like I totally [TS]

01:07:27   love it but i also just have zero [TS]

01:07:29   interest and actually when you say that [TS]

01:07:31   like i should be surprised where is [TS]

01:07:32   that's like the most predictable thing [TS]

01:07:33   in the world because I you're like you [TS]

01:07:35   know you're interested in sort of [TS]

01:07:36   mathematics and economics and and things [TS]

01:07:40   land probabilities but bae i mean if you [TS]

01:07:43   looked up risk-averse in the dictionary [TS]

01:07:45   I reckon it would be a photo of you [TS]

01:07:47   that's everyone's at risk aversion [TS]

01:07:49   towards the career you are the most risk [TS]

01:07:51   averse person i know but i don't think [TS]

01:07:53   you can imagine no you don't understand [TS]

01:07:55   I i have time internal calculations [TS]

01:07:58   about what risks i am and I'm not [TS]

01:08:00   willing to take but like I don't think [TS]

01:08:01   leaving a teaching career for YouTube [TS]

01:08:04   was risk-averse by definition it was a [TS]

01:08:06   calculated risk [TS]

01:08:07   I it was not yet you did not you did not [TS]

01:08:10   quit your job as a teacher until you [TS]

01:08:12   were very successful on YouTube you are [TS]

01:08:14   like your monkey that will not let go of [TS]

01:08:16   one vine until he's got his hand on the [TS]

01:08:18   other 50 yeah yeah it's not so don't [TS]

01:08:21   like that so don't tell me like you you [TS]

01:08:23   know you took some crazy risk and quit [TS]

01:08:25   your job and inside or out what now [TS]

01:08:26   ok I'll try youtube you will like you or [TS]

01:08:28   you can download google bit better just [TS]

01:08:31   be the doc told me you took a risk you [TS]

01:08:34   did not take a risk you don't like you [TS]

01:08:36   you can't argue that youtubing is a a [TS]

01:08:39   more secure career than teaching if I [TS]

01:08:43   was purely risk-averse I wouldn't be [TS]

01:08:45   doing YouTube now I don't think you can [TS]

01:08:47   be purely risk-averse you are highly [TS]

01:08:49   risky office [TS]

01:08:51   I mean you can't you like you have an [TS]

01:08:53   aversion to it but you know everything [TS]

01:08:56   is a risk so but i think it was a very [TS]

01:08:58   low-risk option you took yeah that's [TS]

01:09:00   exactly what i want to make everything a [TS]

01:09:02   low-risk possible that's not a new [TS]

01:09:03   version i think it is risk aversion can [TS]

01:09:06   I think oh I think always taking [TS]

01:09:08   low-risk options and never taking [TS]

01:09:09   high-risk options is what risk aversion [TS]

01:09:12   means i don't know like when you take [TS]

01:09:14   risks you want the downside to possibly [TS]

01:09:16   be low right like doing the podcast in [TS]

01:09:19   some sense was like a risky thing it [TS]

01:09:21   could have gone badly but you know for [TS]

01:09:23   the downside would have been relatively [TS]

01:09:25   low if it hadn't worked out that that's [TS]

01:09:27   the kind of gamble i like to take that's [TS]

01:09:28   not risk what we're risking by starting [TS]

01:09:30   a podcast professional embarrassments [TS]

01:09:32   that's the kind of thing you're risking [TS]

01:09:34   yeah a little bit yeah that's exactly [TS]

01:09:36   what that's exactly it i want the [TS]

01:09:37   downside to be super low like what am i [TS]

01:09:39   what am I putting on the the table here [TS]

01:09:41   i'm putting some time i'm putting [TS]

01:09:44   professional embarrassment and what's [TS]

01:09:47   the what's the potential upside like Oh [TS]

01:09:48   two years later still doing a podcast [TS]

01:09:50   because it's working out now we can get [TS]

01:09:52   into talk to Brady once a fortnight [TS]

01:09:54   that's like ultimate reward yes that is [TS]

01:09:56   the ultimate reward that's that's what I [TS]

01:09:59   was gambling for if only i could talk to [TS]

01:10:02   someone more so I wonder if a bookmaker [TS]

01:10:05   came up to you and said gray he's like a [TS]

01:10:07   suitcase of cash if you you can take [TS]

01:10:09   this right now but you can never do [TS]

01:10:10   another hello and today you're gonna [TS]

01:10:12   cash out [TS]

01:10:12   it depends on how big the suitcase of [TS]

01:10:14   caches like it but I can do I could do [TS]

01:10:17   like that the red like I would do the [TS]

01:10:19   estimated income for like the next 10 [TS]

01:10:22   years on the podcast versus how much [TS]

01:10:24   money is sitting in front of me now and [TS]

01:10:25   then like what's the probability that [TS]

01:10:27   the podcast last for more than 10 years [TS]

01:10:29   like it's not a hundred percent of that [TS]

01:10:31   is going to looks like there's some pile [TS]

01:10:34   of money which is walk away from hello [TS]

01:10:35   Internet pile of money that's that [TS]

01:10:37   that's how you make decisions so you you [TS]

01:10:40   do put a dollar figure on leaving me and [TS]

01:10:43   the code we will be working out in the [TS]

01:10:46   cold aren't you getting some of this [TS]

01:10:47   money or ok [TS]

01:10:49   oh no it's good i thought yeah I didn't [TS]

01:10:51   think of that yeah my work out well [TS]

01:10:52   actually yes I always do you think I'm [TS]

01:10:54   just taking his money for me [TS]

01:10:56   well maybe burning you professionally [TS]

01:10:58   would have some kind of cost and that [TS]

01:11:00   suitcase has to cover that God's record [TS]

01:11:02   of like [TS]

01:11:03   let me just loving spends on Brady to [TS]

01:11:05   keep them happy [TS]

01:11:06   it's gonna pay off Brady yeah exactly [TS]

01:11:08   it's let's let our forgot to pay off [TS]

01:11:11   Brady is his house burns down [TS]

01:11:14   that's right you know they don't want to [TS]

01:11:16   ensure that kindness and how do you make [TS]

01:11:18   decisions what you just look in the sky [TS]

01:11:20   and think about stuff for a second [TS]

01:11:22   a butterfly passes by and then you just [TS]

01:11:24   run with your gut on it is that how you [TS]

01:11:26   decide things [TS]

01:11:27   no I don't think I'm I'm a massive risk [TS]

01:11:29   taker but but i will get in a plane to [TS]

01:11:32   look like they're stripped see Mount [TS]

01:11:33   Everest aware that those planes crash a [TS]

01:11:36   lot right cause I because I think all [TS]

01:11:38   right I might die but i want to see [TS]

01:11:40   Mount Everest so I'm gonna get that line [TS]

01:11:42   I think I take probably slightly more [TS]

01:11:44   risks bond up biggest tiger either [TS]

01:11:47   I mean nothing nothing's are risking [TS]

01:11:49   yours has nails because you have proof [TS]

01:11:51   anyway [TS]

01:11:51   yes here we go here we go right of [TS]

01:11:54   course and they have plane crashes you [TS]

01:11:57   just get a white knuckle your way [TS]

01:11:58   through it aren't you buddy I'm gonna be [TS]

01:12:00   what plane crash so that was a rough [TS]

01:12:02   landing [TS]

01:12:03   well anyways my bags this episode of [TS]

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01:14:00   on skype with my parents the other day [TS]

01:14:03   yeah and my dad asked me he goes so what [TS]

01:14:05   do you think about this this election [TS]

01:14:08   for the mayor of london and I said what [TS]

01:14:10   are you talking about i found out on the [TS]

01:14:14   day of the London election for mayor [TS]

01:14:15   that there was an election for mayor my [TS]

01:14:18   father living in North Carolina that's [TS]

01:14:22   not much of a news and I am and he [TS]

01:14:25   didn't fight for new mayor then [TS]

01:14:26   presumably i was busy that day [TS]

01:14:28   can I don't actually for a person who [TS]

01:14:31   makes a person who makes videos about [TS]

01:14:34   elections I have rarely voted but [TS]

01:14:37   there's a there is a big national [TS]

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01:14:42   election for the UK to decide whether or [TS]

01:14:45   not is going to stay as a member of the [TS]

01:14:48   European Union part of the big [TS]

01:14:49   conglomerate of European nations [TS]

01:14:52   together or it's going to go freestyle [TS]

01:14:54   and break off on its own and be totally [TS]

01:14:57   independent bricks that they call it a [TS]

01:15:00   night [TS]

01:15:01   you have to have a catchy name for these [TS]

01:15:02   things what they call staying that makes [TS]

01:15:04   call up staying today or their breaks in [TS]

01:15:08   i think they call it braixen it's [TS]

01:15:10   getting quite passionate the u.s. [TS]

01:15:12   President was over here recently and he [TS]

01:15:14   he put his oar in the water quite [TS]

01:15:17   significantly which got people all riled [TS]

01:15:19   up [TS]

01:15:20   yeah that guy's I've never sure if that [TS]

01:15:22   is helpful or hurtful if a foreign [TS]

01:15:25   leader comes to your country and tells [TS]

01:15:28   you what [TS]

01:15:28   to do i'm not sure that that that like [TS]

01:15:32   helps your side right i think that [TS]

01:15:34   people have a naturally contradictory [TS]

01:15:36   reaction to that [TS]

01:15:37   yeah don't you tell me what to do so for [TS]

01:15:39   for people who don't know that the Prime [TS]

01:15:41   Minister David Cameron he wants us to [TS]

01:15:44   stay in the european union and so when [TS]

01:15:46   Barrack Obama came to town he sort of [TS]

01:15:48   did a favor for his mate barrack obama [TS]

01:15:50   came out and made some public statements [TS]

01:15:52   saying that it would be in Britain's [TS]

01:15:54   best interests to stay in he was almost [TS]

01:15:57   a bit threatening about it too he sort [TS]

01:15:59   of said if you if you leave the European [TS]

01:16:01   Union's you're going to go to sort of [TS]

01:16:02   the bottom of the list for trade [TS]

01:16:04   negotiations with the u.s. that really [TS]

01:16:07   polarized people that really energized [TS]

01:16:09   the brakes of people in my opinion he [TS]

01:16:10   it's all going on but I mean the thing I [TS]

01:16:13   mean forget Barrack Obama the thing that [TS]

01:16:14   people really want to know is what to [TS]

01:16:17   cgpgrey think Britain should do [TS]

01:16:19   yes I'm sure that that's that's what the [TS]

01:16:20   people want to know yeah yeah so I [TS]

01:16:23   almost don't want to even discuss this [TS]

01:16:25   topic but I put myself on the hook for [TS]

01:16:27   it like a fool [TS]

01:16:29   several podcast episodes ago when i made [TS]

01:16:31   the casual offhand remark about like oh [TS]

01:16:34   yeah i'm probably going to do a video on [TS]

01:16:35   on the UK EU referendum almost as soon [TS]

01:16:39   as that episode was live i seriously [TS]

01:16:41   regretted having ever even said that not [TS]

01:16:44   because people have been asking me for [TS]

01:16:46   who went that video coming up like we [TS]

01:16:48   want to know like there's going to be a [TS]

01:16:49   vote soon and i did a bunch of research [TS]

01:16:54   on the topic you know right after record [TS]

01:16:57   that episode and before it went up and I [TS]

01:17:01   came to this strange conclusion that [TS]

01:17:04   there is no video to be done on this [TS]

01:17:08   topic like I don't know if you ever if [TS]

01:17:10   you ever come across this when when [TS]

01:17:12   you're making videos I mean you're [TS]

01:17:13   you're more like editing things that [TS]

01:17:16   other people are saying so you have like [TS]

01:17:18   a topic that already exists but even [TS]

01:17:21   though i am i'm going to assume that [TS]

01:17:24   this has been in the news quite a lot [TS]

01:17:26   from from what you're saying like I [TS]

01:17:27   haven't been following any of those [TS]

01:17:28   details when i sat down and thought like [TS]

01:17:30   okay I'm going to make a video talking [TS]

01:17:32   about this it just kept feeling like [TS]

01:17:34   like trying to get a handle on a cloud [TS]

01:17:38   like there's almost yeah almost nothing [TS]

01:17:40   to be discussed here [TS]

01:17:42   do you know what I mean like I kind of a [TS]

01:17:45   kind of do i mean i don't agree that [TS]

01:17:48   there's nothing to be discussed but it's [TS]

01:17:50   so big and so complicated and so [TS]

01:17:53   convoluted that when you said you were [TS]

01:17:56   considering a video i look forward to [TS]

01:17:58   and I who make it but I did wonder how [TS]

01:18:02   you were going to get to the bottom of [TS]

01:18:03   some of these things because it's such a [TS]

01:18:05   bloody mess [TS]

01:18:06   mmm the relationship between Britain and [TS]

01:18:10   the European Union it's so complicated [TS]

01:18:12   and you just don't know what's true and [TS]

01:18:15   what's not true and you hear such [TS]

01:18:18   contradictory information that i [TS]

01:18:21   wouldn't know where one would start or [TS]

01:18:23   where you would have started so if [TS]

01:18:25   you're about to say you're not making it [TS]

01:18:27   which it sounds like you are [TS]

01:18:28   I'm I'm not surprised at all because i [TS]

01:18:30   think it was too difficult [TS]

01:18:33   ok so let me let me give you an example [TS]

01:18:35   of of what I mean for the kind of video [TS]

01:18:37   that i like to make I feel like there [TS]

01:18:40   was nothing here to discuss and so [TS]

01:18:41   crystal clear example when I did the [TS]

01:18:44   think it was in my in Texas leave [TS]

01:18:48   America video I think this is where i [TS]

01:18:49   mentioned this you can because of the [TS]

01:18:51   relationship that the united states [TS]

01:18:52   federal government has with the state [TS]

01:18:56   government's you can pretty cleanly drop [TS]

01:19:01   a list of which states pay more to the [TS]

01:19:04   federal government and which states [TS]

01:19:07   payless the federal government like [TS]

01:19:08   which states are economic net [TS]

01:19:11   contributors to the Union and which [TS]

01:19:13   states are economic net debtors to the [TS]

01:19:16   Union and so I i tried to kind of look [TS]

01:19:19   for this for something with the UK and [TS]

01:19:21   the EU there's no real answer here and [TS]

01:19:26   as far as i can tell everybody who's [TS]

01:19:28   trying to come up with an answer of good [TS]

01:19:31   kids like you know that the news loves [TS]

01:19:33   this kind of stuff was like every [TS]

01:19:35   citizen of the United Kingdom pays 30 [TS]

01:19:38   pounds a year as a result of our being [TS]

01:19:40   in the EU right like people love [TS]

01:19:42   statements like that right it seems like [TS]

01:19:43   every election always gets turned into a [TS]

01:19:45   how much money is X person going to gain [TS]

01:19:49   or do they pay from being part of a [TS]

01:19:51   group that seems to be what the [TS]

01:19:52   elections always turn turn into the the [TS]

01:19:54   economic relationship [TS]

01:19:55   between the member countries and the [TS]

01:19:57   European Union I think nobody knows the [TS]

01:20:00   answer to this you immediately start [TS]

01:20:02   having to get into these questions which [TS]

01:20:04   have answers but that I think nobody [TS]

01:20:08   knows how much extra business does the [TS]

01:20:10   United Kingdom do with the European [TS]

01:20:12   Union as a result of being a member of [TS]

01:20:14   the European Union yeah there's a [TS]

01:20:15   there's a number it is not like it's on [TS]

01:20:19   answerable like there is a number that [TS]

01:20:22   you could measure in pounds to that [TS]

01:20:24   question but i don't think any human can [TS]

01:20:27   calculate that number and when I was [TS]

01:20:29   digging around like as far as I could [TS]

01:20:30   tell all of the groups that were [TS]

01:20:32   claiming to come up with numbers is like [TS]

01:20:34   yeah but what I'm looking at your [TS]

01:20:35   assumptions that you just have a lot of [TS]

01:20:37   assumptions that are kind of being taken [TS]

01:20:39   on faith if we assume this and if we [TS]

01:20:41   assume that it's like okay well all i [TS]

01:20:43   have to do is modify my starting [TS]

01:20:45   assumptions and then I can kind of come [TS]

01:20:46   up with any number that i want [TS]

01:20:48   yeah and and the other problems are not [TS]

01:20:51   only are these things really complicated [TS]

01:20:54   like but there's also so much intangible [TS]

01:20:57   stuff that is impossible to value and [TS]

01:21:01   there's also so many what-ifs and don't [TS]

01:21:04   knows as you know like like if we leave [TS]

01:21:07   we still be allowed to do this we no [TS]

01:21:10   longer allowed to do this [TS]

01:21:11   could we renegotiate that there's like [TS]

01:21:13   so much negotiating to be done [TS]

01:21:15   afterwards that is clouded in mystery [TS]

01:21:19   it's probably unsurprising that a lot of [TS]

01:21:21   the discussions I've been having in [TS]

01:21:23   regard to this have been with scientists [TS]

01:21:25   and concentrate just on the science side [TS]

01:21:27   of being in your opinion even that one [TS]

01:21:30   small niche is completely baffling and [TS]

01:21:33   complicated obviously written pays in [TS]

01:21:36   lots of subscriptions to be parts of [TS]

01:21:38   lots of collaborations and puts lots of [TS]

01:21:40   money into pots grounds which are then [TS]

01:21:42   redistributed around Europe and a whole [TS]

01:21:44   bunch of that's flows back into Britain [TS]

01:21:46   are we gathering that contributors or [TS]

01:21:48   net losses from that but then there's [TS]

01:21:50   all these complicated collaborations [TS]

01:21:53   this things that you're allowed to be [TS]

01:21:55   involved in because you're part of the [TS]

01:21:56   European right but you're allowed to use [TS]

01:21:58   like you know II so an isa you know [TS]

01:22:01   telescopes and space things will Britain [TS]

01:22:04   still be part of that will we get kicked [TS]

01:22:06   out of that we have to renegotiate our [TS]

01:22:08   way into there [TS]

01:22:09   we know that there's all these things [TS]

01:22:11   that are really that really and known as [TS]

01:22:15   a spin it i wish i could no more of the [TS]

01:22:18   answers before I invited but no one [TS]

01:22:20   seems to have them this is a little bit [TS]

01:22:24   like the scottish national referendum on [TS]

01:22:26   larger scale [TS]

01:22:27   yeah and when we discussed that [TS]

01:22:30   referendum we touched on the same thing [TS]

01:22:32   that so much of it is a but what happens [TS]

01:22:35   after right like that that's what you [TS]

01:22:37   want to know and that's what you can't [TS]

01:22:39   now [TS]

01:22:39   so for me when I was initially trying to [TS]

01:22:42   research and write this video this [TS]

01:22:44   particular point is the thing that [TS]

01:22:48   killed the video dead for me when I was [TS]

01:22:50   thinking through about like okay what [TS]

01:22:51   can I do [TS]

01:22:52   whatwhat video is there to make here but [TS]

01:22:57   it but it was realizing like okay let's [TS]

01:22:59   imagine in the future that the brexit [TS]

01:23:02   happens that the people vote to leave [TS]

01:23:04   and the United Kingdom government then [TS]

01:23:07   because this is a non-binding resolution [TS]

01:23:09   by the way I think you could cover man [TS]

01:23:12   couldn't there you go like we're not [TS]

01:23:13   going to leave right it's not actually [TS]

01:23:16   binding but but let's assume that the [TS]

01:23:17   government that makes motions to leave [TS]

01:23:19   looking through people's arguments and [TS]

01:23:21   what people are are discussing about the [TS]

01:23:23   election it's all based on assumptions [TS]

01:23:26   of what the united kingdom will or won't [TS]

01:23:28   do after leaving and I think that the [TS]

01:23:32   clearest example for this the biggest [TS]

01:23:34   hot-button issue in this election has to [TS]

01:23:37   do with migration largely right and and [TS]

01:23:39   about people moving into the United [TS]

01:23:41   Kingdom like this it there's this whole [TS]

01:23:43   big thing short version for people [TS]

01:23:45   outside of the European Union is that if [TS]

01:23:48   you become a citizen of any european [TS]

01:23:51   union state you can live anywhere within [TS]

01:23:53   the European Union that includes the [TS]

01:23:55   united kingdom and the hot-button issue [TS]

01:23:58   is that it means that countries that are [TS]

01:24:00   more relaxed with their immigration the [TS]

01:24:02   United Kingdom might disagree with who [TS]

01:24:04   they're letting in but like the United [TS]

01:24:06   Kingdom can't tell germany who is going [TS]

01:24:11   to come in as an immigrant for example [TS]

01:24:12   and so it's like okay [TS]

01:24:13   the country's can disagree on [TS]

01:24:15   immigration in this way where it's like [TS]

01:24:18   Germany's immigration policies can [TS]

01:24:20   affect the United Kingdom and so right [TS]

01:24:22   that [TS]

01:24:23   it's like one of the big issues here and [TS]

01:24:25   so it's like okay well if I was going to [TS]

01:24:26   try to write something about that you [TS]

01:24:28   realize like oh ok if you if you're if [TS]

01:24:32   that's like a big issue for you if you [TS]

01:24:33   if it's important to you to limit [TS]

01:24:35   immigration [TS]

01:24:36   well the e referendum thing doesn't [TS]

01:24:39   actually address your problem in anyway [TS]

01:24:41   because if the UK leaves and then in a [TS]

01:24:45   few years for some reason there's a [TS]

01:24:48   government changeover in the UK like the [TS]

01:24:50   party switch or somebody else gets [TS]

01:24:52   elected the UK could just change the [TS]

01:24:54   laws again by the the the UK could [TS]

01:24:57   decide in 10 years and we're just gonna [TS]

01:24:59   have an open-door immigration policy [TS]

01:25:01   right like the theory of a grey the [TS]

01:25:03   argument the argument against n is at [TS]

01:25:05   least as the UK deciding ok it's a [TS]

01:25:07   different party and it might be a [TS]

01:25:08   different decision but the people who [TS]

01:25:10   are saying you know sovereigns over in [TS]

01:25:11   UK so everything that doesn't matter [TS]

01:25:13   great what matters is that it's the UK [TS]

01:25:15   government deciding and sure we can [TS]

01:25:17   change your mind but that should be our [TS]

01:25:18   decision not the people in Brussels I am [TS]

01:25:21   NOT disagreeing with that point I'm just [TS]

01:25:24   simply saying that like I kept finding [TS]

01:25:25   this weird thing that like the issues [TS]

01:25:28   that people seem to be interested and [TS]

01:25:29   focused on are almost unrelated to the [TS]

01:25:34   actual referendum that's occurring right [TS]

01:25:36   where it's like okay what's going to [TS]

01:25:39   happen without a great i don't agree [TS]

01:25:40   with you great i i i think i do agree [TS]

01:25:43   with you online [TS]

01:25:44   probably probably to agree with you on [TS]

01:25:46   the underlying things but the at the [TS]

01:25:48   argument here is yet you're right it's [TS]

01:25:51   the people don't care about you know a [TS]

01:25:55   lot of the fine details of how your [TS]

01:25:56   opinion works you know how you [TS]

01:25:58   essentially nobody cares right like to a [TS]

01:26:01   first approximation no one what this [TS]

01:26:02   argument boils down to 0 is the pic is [TS]

01:26:06   the argument being used by the bricks at [TS]

01:26:08   people√≠s you should be our decision [TS]

01:26:10   right like whatever the whatever you are [TS]

01:26:12   whatever your the bee in your bonnet is [TS]

01:26:14   whether it's immigration whoever it [TS]

01:26:16   whether it's farming whether its tariffs [TS]

01:26:20   whether it's whatever whatever but [TS]

01:26:22   whether it's the price of carrots [TS]

01:26:24   it doesn't matter their argument is if [TS]

01:26:27   it's in Britain it should be Britain's [TS]

01:26:29   decision and we're sick of a whole bunch [TS]

01:26:30   of people from other countries making [TS]

01:26:33   decisions about our laws there and [TS]

01:26:35   they use this big sovereignty argument [TS]

01:26:37   they say we're sick to death of people [TS]

01:26:39   who aren't British you are living in [TS]

01:26:41   Britain deciding the rules in Britain [TS]

01:26:44   and that's the drum that's the drum [TS]

01:26:46   they're beating and whatever their [TS]

01:26:47   motives are and some people say a lot of [TS]

01:26:49   people will say it's racially motivated [TS]

01:26:52   other people will say it's it's a deep [TS]

01:26:56   abiding belief and sovereignty that is [TS]

01:26:59   you know in their core and other [TS]

01:27:01   people's you know whatever I didn't want [TS]

01:27:03   to make that's what it's about it's not [TS]

01:27:04   about so yes immigration might be [TS]

01:27:06   driving it or terrorists might be [TS]

01:27:08   driving or trade or business or science [TS]

01:27:10   or whatever is driving it that the [TS]

01:27:11   argument that's being used is who makes [TS]

01:27:14   the decisions i completely agree with [TS]

01:27:17   what you're saying there and when I was [TS]

01:27:20   trying to think about this [TS]

01:27:22   I realize because of this idea that ok [TS]

01:27:24   countries can change don't change laws [TS]

01:27:27   to be whatever they want like the UK [TS]

01:27:28   leaves it can do whatever the heck it [TS]

01:27:30   ones right or there's this question of [TS]

01:27:31   being in the peon union and being to [TS]

01:27:35   some extent constrained by decisions of [TS]

01:27:38   the European Union ultimately what's [TS]

01:27:41   happening i think in voters minds is [TS]

01:27:44   this whole election is really just a [TS]

01:27:46   question of do you trust the european [TS]

01:27:50   union or do you not trust the European [TS]

01:27:52   Union i think in people's minds that is [TS]

01:27:56   what's occurring i am convinced that in [TS]

01:27:59   elections people like to think of [TS]

01:28:02   themselves as looking at the issues and [TS]

01:28:06   making some kind of decision but I don't [TS]

01:28:08   think that's really what happens i think [TS]

01:28:10   in all kinds of Elections people are [TS]

01:28:12   reacting on an emotional level to some [TS]

01:28:16   kind of fundamental thing [TS]

01:28:18   yeah and in in this election i think [TS]

01:28:21   that thing is an idea about trust of the [TS]

01:28:24   european union or not [TS]

01:28:27   yeah now cause like I think like [TS]

01:28:29   everybody does like I feel like I'm some [TS]

01:28:31   kind of exception to this because I [TS]

01:28:33   don't feel when i think about this this [TS]

01:28:34   election like I don't think that I'm [TS]

01:28:37   thinking of it and this this trust level [TS]

01:28:40   but of course everybody imagines there [TS]

01:28:42   an exception to the rule and like still [TS]

01:28:44   in aggregate this thing occurs [TS]

01:28:46   yeah but so that's partly why when I was [TS]

01:28:48   sitting down and trying to [TS]

01:28:48   right out something about a video on [TS]

01:28:51   this I realize like okay well there's [TS]

01:28:52   kind of nothing to talk about here [TS]

01:28:55   because if i if I'm trying to make a [TS]

01:28:57   video that's like cutting down the [TS]

01:29:00   middle if the core of this election is a [TS]

01:29:02   question about trusting the EU or [TS]

01:29:04   trusting the UK over the EU it is [TS]

01:29:06   there's there's no numbers that i can [TS]

01:29:09   draw upon that I think are meaningful in [TS]

01:29:11   terms of what is the actual financial [TS]

01:29:13   benefit or return on investment and then [TS]

01:29:15   there's kind of nothing to talk about [TS]

01:29:17   because if i want to talk about why the [TS]

01:29:21   European Union is bad like let's say I [TS]

01:29:24   want to talk about all of the stuff [TS]

01:29:25   about the undemocratic nature of the [TS]

01:29:27   European Union is like well that's [TS]

01:29:30   really a question about do you trust [TS]

01:29:33   that the european union will be able to [TS]

01:29:35   reform itself to be more democratic in [TS]

01:29:37   the future or not or do you trust that [TS]

01:29:41   an independent United Kingdom will be [TS]

01:29:43   able to make all of the best decisions [TS]

01:29:45   for itself and we'll be able to manage [TS]

01:29:47   itself on the world stage without the [TS]

01:29:50   backing of the European Union like who [TS]

01:29:52   do you trust more like this you don't [TS]

01:29:54   mean like there's nothing concrete here [TS]

01:29:56   is video is dead in the ground and [TS]

01:29:59   buried I'm not going to do it [TS]

01:30:01   we're talking about here because [TS]

01:30:02   otherwise people will nag me forever but [TS]

01:30:05   that's that's kind of my feeling about [TS]

01:30:06   this i mean no other I don't know what [TS]

01:30:08   this video would look like the video i [TS]

01:30:10   would like to the same from you would [TS]

01:30:11   have been what the current state of [TS]

01:30:14   players now this is the this is how the [TS]

01:30:17   deal works Britain can do this they [TS]

01:30:19   can't do that they've got this trade [TS]

01:30:22   deal they negotiate with these people in [TS]

01:30:24   this way these people in that way i [TS]

01:30:26   would like to have seen a video the [TS]

01:30:28   video i would like to have seen is not [TS]

01:30:30   about you know trust and politics and [TS]

01:30:33   that it would have been about what does [TS]

01:30:35   it actually mean to be in the EU and [TS]

01:30:37   what does it mean to be out of the e [TS]

01:30:39   things like you know at the moment our [TS]

01:30:42   negotiations with the united states have [TS]

01:30:44   done through the EU you know is it's an [TS]

01:30:46   EU trade agreement that's hasn't [TS]

01:30:48   actually been negotiated it's been it's [TS]

01:30:50   been in negotiations for years but they [TS]

01:30:52   say it's nearly finished if if Britain [TS]

01:30:54   leaves the EU we're not part of that [TS]

01:30:56   deal anymore and we've got to do our own [TS]

01:30:57   deal with the United States on trade [TS]

01:30:59   little things like things like that i [TS]

01:31:01   think would be helpful to to see explain [TS]

01:31:04   because I think a lot of people don't [TS]

01:31:05   realize that but also it's really boring [TS]

01:31:07   like trade agreements are really boring [TS]

01:31:10   to be clear I'm not saying that i was [TS]

01:31:12   going to be making a video about who do [TS]

01:31:14   you trust more i'm just saying like that [TS]

01:31:15   that was what I was coming to the [TS]

01:31:17   conclusion up is that there's very [TS]

01:31:18   little to talk about [TS]

01:31:19   yeah yeah like my original idea was [TS]

01:31:22   talking about like what what is the [TS]

01:31:24   current state of play like for example [TS]

01:31:26   there's this idea about like does the UK [TS]

01:31:28   have a veto over some matters in the EU [TS]

01:31:31   I think this thing kind of comes up and [TS]

01:31:33   it's you know where these things like it [TS]

01:31:35   turns out is more complicated than a [TS]

01:31:37   straight up answer but all I could [TS]

01:31:40   ultimately talk about is what does it [TS]

01:31:44   mean to be in the european union now [TS]

01:31:46   like what are some of the mechanics of [TS]

01:31:48   this but I i think that that kind of [TS]

01:31:52   video is not really relevant for the [TS]

01:31:55   vast majority of people like most people [TS]

01:31:56   just don't care like I said people over [TS]

01:31:58   imagine themselves as informed voters [TS]

01:32:01   when I don't think they are but also [TS]

01:32:03   like when I was trying when I was trying [TS]

01:32:05   to write out some of that stuff it just [TS]

01:32:07   it felt weird because I couldn't talk [TS]

01:32:10   about what it would be like to be [TS]

01:32:12   outside the european union because that [TS]

01:32:14   that is the like endless series of what [TS]

01:32:17   ifs what will it be like for the United [TS]

01:32:19   Kingdom to negotiate its own trade [TS]

01:32:21   agreements who knows is that a big [TS]

01:32:23   what-if grow there are plenty of [TS]

01:32:25   countries that are not in the european [TS]

01:32:26   union could you not just look to them [TS]

01:32:28   about how does China negotiate with [TS]

01:32:31   other people how does India work how [TS]

01:32:34   does Australia you know there are lots [TS]

01:32:36   of countries that are not in the way you [TS]

01:32:37   could look to as examples and how do [TS]

01:32:40   they get by in the world because that is [TS]

01:32:42   something that a lot of people zoe [TS]

01:32:43   britton should stay there you because [TS]

01:32:45   you know there's safety and parent [TS]

01:32:48   numbers and then a lot of other people [TS]

01:32:49   say well strategy does what doing quite [TS]

01:32:52   nicely em and they're not part of the EU [TS]

01:32:54   and they they negotiate with America and [TS]

01:32:57   they have trade agreements in place and [TS]

01:32:59   they do this and they do that they don't [TS]

01:33:00   have people in Brussels telling them [TS]

01:33:01   what their law should be i'm not saying [TS]

01:33:03   that's the best I'm not saying you know [TS]

01:33:06   that's what you should do but lots of [TS]

01:33:08   countries exist that in the EU so it's [TS]

01:33:10   not that it's not this massive unknown [TS]

01:33:12   from Mars that no one could possibly [TS]

01:33:13   predict there are lots of countries that [TS]

01:33:15   do it so i couldn't have looked to them [TS]

01:33:18   yes there are lots of places that [TS]

01:33:20   negotiate with the united states that do [TS]

01:33:21   these kind of trade agreements but even [TS]

01:33:24   looking at some of that stuff it quickly [TS]

01:33:27   becomes a question of cherry-picking [TS]

01:33:29   like what [TS]

01:33:31   when you're assembling a video like this [TS]

01:33:32   it's easy to fall into a trap of picking [TS]

01:33:35   examples that you like I I just think [TS]

01:33:39   it's dangerous to try to pick some [TS]

01:33:41   particular country and say like oh the [TS]

01:33:43   UK will end up like X it will end up [TS]

01:33:46   like Australia will it i don't know like [TS]

01:33:49   that depends a lot on how the UK wants [TS]

01:33:52   to negotiate trade agreements it depends [TS]

01:33:54   on so many things that i don't think [TS]

01:33:56   it's an easy not even an easy question i [TS]

01:33:59   don't think it's a really noble question [TS]

01:34:01   to answer i will the United States and [TS]

01:34:03   the UK still do trade agreements sure [TS]

01:34:05   i'm sure they will but I don't know if [TS]

01:34:09   there's any way to say would that be [TS]

01:34:10   better or worse than with the EU i think [TS]

01:34:13   i think it just it it still just comes [TS]

01:34:15   down to this [TS]

01:34:16   this speculation in fog of picking [TS]

01:34:20   examples that then end up just betraying [TS]

01:34:22   what you're trying to push behind a [TS]

01:34:24   video instead of doing a video was like [TS]

01:34:26   here's a neutral take on a thing i found [TS]

01:34:29   in just a very kind of frustrating thing [TS]

01:34:30   to try to do and and that has partly why [TS]

01:34:34   i like it's it's it's not going to [TS]

01:34:35   happen even though like I think it's [TS]

01:34:37   it's obviously it's an important vote [TS]

01:34:41   that people are going to do like it's a [TS]

01:34:42   big deal [TS]

01:34:44   it'll be a big deal if the United [TS]

01:34:45   Kingdom leaves it'll be really [TS]

01:34:47   interesting that the United Kingdom [TS]

01:34:48   votes to stay I like looking at it right [TS]

01:34:52   now the the the opinion polls are [TS]

01:34:55   actually quite close about about staying [TS]

01:34:58   or about leaving with a pretty decent [TS]

01:35:00   number of of undecideds there's also a [TS]

01:35:02   strong feeling though that in opinion [TS]

01:35:05   polls you know that's just a random [TS]

01:35:06   sampling but the bricks at people the [TS]

01:35:08   people who have more energized and [TS]

01:35:10   actually are likely to go out and vote [TS]

01:35:12   in a voluntary vote where is the stay [TS]

01:35:14   people might be more apathetic so the [TS]

01:35:16   opinion polls might be a bit skewed in [TS]

01:35:20   that way and breaks it might be doing [TS]

01:35:21   better than it looks [TS]

01:35:22   yeah that that's kind of my gut feeling [TS]

01:35:24   as well [TS]

01:35:25   is is that the brexit side is almost by [TS]

01:35:30   definition the more energetic side and [TS]

01:35:32   they're also therefore also the more [TS]

01:35:34   likely to go out and vote side whereas [TS]

01:35:37   team status quo is also much more likely [TS]

01:35:40   to not vote you know I don't know what [TS]

01:35:44   do you think great you have a position [TS]

01:35:45   do you mean which way am I going to vote [TS]

01:35:48   is that what you mean yeah what have you [TS]

01:35:50   got that and you said yeah but why are [TS]

01:35:51   you gonna fight ye style guy [TS]

01:35:55   well what about You Brady you want you [TS]

01:35:57   move first in this chess game if I if [TS]

01:36:00   the election was today little I would [TS]

01:36:03   fight to stay [TS]

01:36:04   why would you vote to stay of all the [TS]

01:36:06   interactions in my life and all the [TS]

01:36:08   things that happen for me professionally [TS]

01:36:11   and personally I feel like I benefit [TS]

01:36:13   more from being in the EU I travel in [TS]

01:36:15   Europe a lot i do black work in Europe [TS]

01:36:18   em so I i also think I also think of [TS]

01:36:24   being part of a bigger community is is [TS]

01:36:26   better i have a real you no interest in [TS]

01:36:29   science and an allegiance to science and [TS]

01:36:33   research and I think I think science is [TS]

01:36:36   better served by being in the EU as well [TS]

01:36:39   and certainly the scientists I've spoken [TS]

01:36:41   to think that as well I don't know where [TS]

01:36:43   the sciences as divided on the issue as [TS]

01:36:45   the rest of the community but I haven't [TS]

01:36:48   got that feeling [TS]

01:36:49   who and I don't know and also just like [TS]

01:36:52   the people who the people in positions [TS]

01:36:56   of authority or with opinions who I [TS]

01:36:59   value more of them seem to want to stay [TS]

01:37:04   and of the people who i think are a bit [TS]

01:37:07   fringe in a bit bonkers they they they [TS]

01:37:10   seem to be the people who most [TS]

01:37:12   passionately advocate leaving and that's [TS]

01:37:15   that's not entirely good reason [TS]

01:37:18   you know that's not entirely good basis [TS]

01:37:21   to make a decision on but it does [TS]

01:37:23   contribute you know you can only you [TS]

01:37:25   know you've got people in in public life [TS]

01:37:27   who you respect and people who you [TS]

01:37:29   respect less and if all the people you [TS]

01:37:31   respect to saying one thing and all the [TS]

01:37:32   people you respect this are saying the [TS]

01:37:33   other that's it that's a clue at least [TS]

01:37:37   so you're saying that the the pro brexit [TS]

01:37:40   people there's an uncommon number of hat [TS]

01:37:42   wearers in that group is that what [TS]

01:37:44   you're saying yeah that's right yeah [TS]

01:37:45   there's a lot of top hats but maybe you [TS]

01:37:49   know i'm mad but but don't let me say I [TS]

01:37:51   do sometimes here brakes and people [TS]

01:37:53   speak and they make they make some good [TS]

01:37:55   points [TS]

01:37:56   some of them are persuasive and that's [TS]

01:37:58   not election day and maybe something [TS]

01:38:00   will be said or something will happen [TS]

01:38:01   that will change my mind i'm i'm not you [TS]

01:38:03   know I don't feel like I'm nailed on em [TS]

01:38:06   but when it was first announced I was [TS]

01:38:09   stay and nothing has moved me out of [TS]

01:38:12   that yet land and I'd I i imagine it [TS]

01:38:15   won't lie i'm open to it [TS]

01:38:17   what about you it's what I'll say is it [TS]

01:38:23   when it first came out I was on the [TS]

01:38:26   stage a side right stay in the European [TS]

01:38:29   Union yeah and so I did a bunch of [TS]

01:38:31   research and one of the things that I [TS]

01:38:34   always I always try to do with this [TS]

01:38:37   stuff you know like we mentioned before [TS]

01:38:38   it's very easy to like you most of the [TS]

01:38:44   people i know in my life people whose [TS]

01:38:46   opinions i respect our pro staying and [TS]

01:38:50   the side effect of that is that you very [TS]

01:38:53   often hear the opposing opinions [TS]

01:38:55   filtered through the person who thinks [TS]

01:38:59   that those opinions are done and so it's [TS]

01:39:01   easy to end up with this again like this [TS]

01:39:03   infuriating totem this imaginary idea of [TS]

01:39:07   what the other side is saying so i spent [TS]

01:39:10   a while trying to find people arguing [TS]

01:39:14   for breakfast it in their own words [TS]

01:39:17   unmodified like giving speeches or [TS]

01:39:20   reading articles from people who were [TS]

01:39:22   pro brexit like let me see this first [TS]

01:39:25   hand as opposed to hearing it filtered [TS]

01:39:28   through someone else and and as always [TS]

01:39:30   with these cases it's like I don't [TS]

01:39:32   necessarily agree with these people but [TS]

01:39:35   I i have almost never had a case yet of [TS]

01:39:38   looking at someone who I think are here [TS]

01:39:41   is crazy reading their stuff we're [TS]

01:39:43   hearing their stuff firsthand and [TS]

01:39:45   thinking there's still kind of crazy [TS]

01:39:47   maybe or i don't agree with them [TS]

01:39:49   they're way less crazy than they're [TS]

01:39:51   portrayed as the end in some ways with [TS]

01:39:54   the UK with the brexit stuff i had this [TS]

01:39:58   interesting feeling of like ok these [TS]

01:40:01   arguments are not is crazy as I thought [TS]

01:40:06   they were [TS]

01:40:07   hmm i still don't necessarily agree with [TS]

01:40:10   them but i do think like some some of [TS]

01:40:12   the ideas about sort of like what you [TS]

01:40:16   were saying before the ideas about [TS]

01:40:17   national sovereignty about making your [TS]

01:40:19   own decisions right like this kind like [TS]

01:40:21   they're there is some amount of [TS]

01:40:23   residence with that the this idea of of [TS]

01:40:27   the sovereignty of a nation and like it [TS]

01:40:29   okay that's why they keep bringing it up [TS]

01:40:30   because yeah it's such a smart you know [TS]

01:40:32   that's a smart move because that's what [TS]

01:40:34   that does charming everyone doesn't get [TS]

01:40:36   I think Buster's your destiny [TS]

01:40:38   yeah who likes the idea of somebody else [TS]

01:40:40   telling you what to do [TS]

01:40:41   nobody right nobody's pro somebody else [TS]

01:40:45   tell me what to do they don't like that [TS]

01:40:46   so it was always reading through a bunch [TS]

01:40:49   of stuff the the end result is like I [TS]

01:40:51   will still vote to stay in the European [TS]

01:40:54   Union i still think that that's that the [TS]

01:40:57   correct choice but I feel somewhat [TS]

01:40:59   softer in that opinion that I was before [TS]

01:41:02   like I have I have not moved i have not [TS]

01:41:06   changed my opinion but but the strength [TS]

01:41:09   of my opinion has slightly softened from [TS]

01:41:11   that and it's also just decided that I'd [TS]

01:41:13   like man is the European Union like such [TS]

01:41:17   a beast [TS]

01:41:18   you know I i have this huge pile of [TS]

01:41:21   notes on how the european union [TS]

01:41:23   government actually works has like oh my [TS]

01:41:27   god you know the the sort of the joke [TS]

01:41:29   that the european union could not be a [TS]

01:41:31   member of the european union because it [TS]

01:41:33   is not democratic enough and it's like [TS]

01:41:35   there is a lot of truth to that [TS]

01:41:37   like if there was a tiny country that [TS]

01:41:39   ran a government the way the European [TS]

01:41:41   Union does you can see the European [TS]

01:41:43   Union objecting that like your [TS]

01:41:45   government is not very democratic but [TS]

01:41:46   like you can like you have this weird [TS]

01:41:49   weird situation so that's that's that's [TS]

01:41:52   sort of my end result I I still feel [TS]

01:41:54   like i would i would vote to stay my [TS]

01:41:56   position has been softened slightly but [TS]

01:42:00   i'm also been weird position that like [TS]

01:42:02   so you are you are voting for staying [TS]

01:42:05   out of the self-interest of the science [TS]

01:42:07   like science and the science community [TS]

01:42:09   and the benefits that are are aggregated [TS]

01:42:11   from that and I I because like I'm not [TS]

01:42:16   British right like I'm just a person [TS]

01:42:17   living here you know that's me to [TS]

01:42:19   remember the leg in some ways the this [TS]

01:42:21   idea about like British sovereignty is [TS]

01:42:23   is like a theoretical game to play like [TS]

01:42:26   okay whatever like I'm not British it [TS]

01:42:27   doesn't know it's not it's not my [TS]

01:42:29   business in some ways but what I do have [TS]

01:42:31   this feeling of is like I live in London [TS]

01:42:34   and I have this this selfish feeling [TS]

01:42:38   about how cities work and how his sort [TS]

01:42:44   of awful but big cities drain useful [TS]

01:42:51   talented intelligent people from as big [TS]

01:42:55   of a catchment area as they possibly can [TS]

01:42:57   this is what cities do and this is what [TS]

01:42:59   we were talking about before with guns [TS]

01:43:01   germs and steel when you mentioned this [TS]

01:43:02   thing about how like density matters [TS]

01:43:05   like getting a bunch of people in an [TS]

01:43:07   area it really matters and then you add [TS]

01:43:10   on top of that like cities end up [TS]

01:43:12   specializing right where cities become [TS]

01:43:14   known for a particular thing and I feel [TS]

01:43:18   like well for for Humanity as a whole I [TS]

01:43:23   think it is always good to be able to [TS]

01:43:25   feed mega cities more than feed the less [TS]

01:43:30   and so I kind of thought is like great [TS]

01:43:32   if London can act as this incredible [TS]

01:43:36   center of gravity that people in the [TS]

01:43:39   rest of Europe want to move to the [TS]

01:43:41   biggest city in the european union and [TS]

01:43:44   people can get there and they can they [TS]

01:43:46   can work with others and there's like [TS]

01:43:48   this human density and things can arrive [TS]

01:43:50   out of it [TS]

01:43:51   I am very much in favor of that I wanted [TS]

01:43:54   to be easy for as many people as [TS]

01:43:58   possible to move to London because [TS]

01:44:01   humanity as a whole benefits from this [TS]

01:44:05   kind of talent density that is my [TS]

01:44:09   probably wildly unpopular like political [TS]

01:44:12   platform [TS]

01:44:13   or why the United Kingdom should stay in [TS]

01:44:15   the European Union is not compelling to [TS]

01:44:18   me especially with London having spent [TS]

01:44:20   most of the last week in London I think [TS]

01:44:22   London has gone past the Maryland point [TS]

01:44:24   of benefiting from more people coming [TS]

01:44:26   into it i think London could do with [TS]

01:44:28   hitting the brakes rawr [TS]

01:44:29   it's just blunt London has passed [TS]

01:44:32   critical mass now and now what do you [TS]

01:44:34   mean that's just a mess [TS]

01:44:36   I don't think London's still on that [TS]

01:44:38   nice curve of things getting better and [TS]

01:44:40   smarter people come in now London's just [TS]

01:44:42   become a place where a lot of people are [TS]

01:44:44   pretty miserable and it's too big too [TS]

01:44:46   congested and I think the hundreds do [TS]

01:44:48   big property prices say you're wrong you [TS]

01:44:52   cannot use property prices in London for [TS]

01:44:54   anything there are way too many [TS]

01:44:56   billionaires and London is an exception [TS]

01:44:59   to everything when it comes to that kind [TS]

01:45:02   of comparison but i don't agree with you [TS]

01:45:04   there i don't agree with you that like [TS]

01:45:05   okay [TS]

01:45:05   londonlondon does have this particular [TS]

01:45:07   this particular problem of people buying [TS]

01:45:10   big properties like investment [TS]

01:45:12   properties a way to move to move money [TS]

01:45:14   out of their countries like to just put [TS]

01:45:15   in some property and in the safe stable [TS]

01:45:17   country right [TS]

01:45:18   yeah that does totally happen but that's [TS]

01:45:21   not taking up seven million units of [TS]

01:45:24   housing that is such a small small [TS]

01:45:27   number of the housing units by [TS]

01:45:29   comparison here is is san francisco [TS]

01:45:31   right where San Francisco I find it [TS]

01:45:34   absolutely fascinating i always read [TS]

01:45:36   about the San Francisco property problem [TS]

01:45:38   because i find it just really [TS]

01:45:40   interesting [TS]

01:45:42   san Francisco has the most expensive [TS]

01:45:43   real estate in the world now feel like [TS]

01:45:45   they they have surpassed japan which has [TS]

01:45:47   been long left surpass Tokyo which has [TS]

01:45:50   long been the the record holder here [TS]

01:45:52   that is clearly a side effect of it is [TS]

01:45:55   incredibly valuable to be located in San [TS]

01:45:58   Francisco because of some of these [TS]

01:46:00   density side effects right if you are a [TS]

01:46:02   technology company or if you are a [TS]

01:46:04   start-up you want to go to San Francisco [TS]

01:46:07   and the property prices there are crazy [TS]

01:46:13   like outrageously crazy property prices [TS]

01:46:16   you know even worse than a place like [TS]

01:46:18   London but people still want to go there [TS]

01:46:22   and they pay those prices because on [TS]

01:46:24   aggregate like it's still worth it [TS]

01:46:27   to do that like that that's what the [TS]

01:46:29   that's what property prices show you is [TS]

01:46:32   people want to live in an area it's the [TS]

01:46:35   reason all of the mega cities are are [TS]

01:46:37   expensive is because there's huge value [TS]

01:46:40   to people to live there i think people [TS]

01:46:43   sometimes need to frame city property [TS]

01:46:45   prices in a different way where they go [TS]

01:46:47   oh my god it's so expensive per square [TS]

01:46:48   foot [TS]

01:46:49   I guess but part of what you're paying [TS]

01:46:51   for is access to all of these other [TS]

01:46:54   things including jobs like it's not just [TS]

01:46:58   the square footage of your place [TS]

01:47:00   it's what do you have access to and [TS]

01:47:02   access to other people and jobs valuable [TS]

01:47:05   we're getting into want to need and wait [TS]

01:47:08   again here i don't know if people want [TS]

01:47:10   to live there i think people have to [TS]

01:47:12   live there and and they're taking a big [TS]

01:47:16   hit in their happiness for the sake of [TS]

01:47:20   their wallet and maybe if we could do [TS]

01:47:24   something to help them if if humans [TS]

01:47:27   could intervene somehow i don't know [TS]

01:47:29   last last episode we spoke about just [TS]

01:47:31   just letting economic forces take their [TS]

01:47:33   take their route or whether we should [TS]

01:47:37   intervene or something and I think this [TS]

01:47:39   is a really good example where it would [TS]

01:47:40   be so handy if we could sort of [TS]

01:47:42   intervene and and stop people feeling [TS]

01:47:45   like they have to be in certain places [TS]

01:47:47   you know my uber driver who I talked [TS]

01:47:49   about football and Formula One and stuff [TS]

01:47:52   with had just moved to London and he was [TS]

01:47:55   absolutely miserable and he was hating [TS]

01:47:57   life in London but he just felt like he [TS]

01:48:00   had to move there you know it wasn't [TS]

01:48:02   earning enough money was in Italy and [TS]

01:48:04   like and like now he's living in a [TS]

01:48:06   crappy place and he's just got enough [TS]

01:48:08   money to sort of get by two working two [TS]

01:48:10   jobs but he felt like he had no choice [TS]

01:48:12   I feel sorry for him like I i wish we [TS]

01:48:16   had a society where he had another [TS]

01:48:17   choice and i'm not i'm not you know [TS]

01:48:20   fair enough he he felt like he had to do [TS]

01:48:22   it was a voluntary decision and property [TS]

01:48:24   prices continue to go up in London [TS]

01:48:26   because not everyone feels like going to [TS]

01:48:27   be there but I feel sorry for him and I [TS]

01:48:30   like I was thinking is that we could do [TS]

01:48:32   is there something is there some way we [TS]

01:48:33   could create a situation where people [TS]

01:48:37   didn't feel they had to move to london [TS]

01:48:38   just because they couldn't get a job [TS]

01:48:40   anywhere [TS]

01:48:40   gross but that but that's what happened [TS]

01:48:43   and it seems like that doesn't seem like [TS]

01:48:46   what's gonna happen is London just going [TS]

01:48:48   to turn into this huge giant black hole [TS]

01:48:50   that's gonna suck all the money out of [TS]

01:48:53   the world but also all the happiness out [TS]

01:48:54   of the world [TS]

01:48:55   I mean what do we how do we get around [TS]

01:48:57   this i mean i know they're billionaires [TS]

01:48:58   and people living in London right [TS]

01:48:59   happily and really lovely places but [TS]

01:49:01   there seemed to be a lot more people who [TS]

01:49:03   are just scraping by on the fringes you [TS]

01:49:06   know cleaning the toilets and driving [TS]

01:49:08   the neighbors were quickly getting into [TS]

01:49:10   the Brady in gray discuss how to solve [TS]

01:49:13   all the world's problems portion of this [TS]

01:49:15   podcast because this immediately becomes [TS]

01:49:17   connected to absolutely everything and i [TS]

01:49:19   will just just briefly point out that it [TS]

01:49:22   sounds like he may have been just [TS]

01:49:23   scraping by in London but he wasn't able [TS]

01:49:26   to just scrape by wherever he was in [TS]

01:49:28   Italy from your description it sounds [TS]

01:49:31   like he was worse off wherever he can [TS]

01:49:33   hear you of course and Annika said he [TS]

01:49:35   moved to London voluntarily because it [TS]

01:49:38   was it was better for him but but I [TS]

01:49:40   think it's because of the attitude that [TS]

01:49:42   you displayed a little bit earlier [TS]

01:49:44   saying hey the bigger we can make London [TS]

01:49:46   the better the more brains we can get [TS]

01:49:47   here the more stuff we can funnel into [TS]

01:49:49   this megacity the better it is for [TS]

01:49:51   everyone and I'm saying hang on a second [TS]

01:49:53   maybe few of those companies and a few [TS]

01:49:55   of those smart people set up their [TS]

01:49:57   business somewhere else if the love got [TS]

01:50:00   spread a bit more you know that guy [TS]

01:50:02   wouldn't be forced to live in some dingy [TS]

01:50:04   little tiny apartment work 23 hours a [TS]

01:50:07   day 28 and he could live somewhere nice [TS]

01:50:10   and Italy and go work for one of those [TS]

01:50:11   companies and I know and I this is [TS]

01:50:13   supply and demand i know the city's kind [TS]

01:50:15   of form themselves and there's no [TS]

01:50:16   archenemy living in a volcano that's [TS]

01:50:19   making all of this happen but like i [TS]

01:50:22   said i think London's gone too far it's [TS]

01:50:24   like it's got too big i think it's past [TS]

01:50:26   some point it's it's gone past some [TS]

01:50:28   optimal point now and it's become [TS]

01:50:30   suboptimal i just want to point out a [TS]

01:50:32   small clarification here because I said [TS]

01:50:35   that it was better for Humanity I didn't [TS]

01:50:38   say it was better for everyone [TS]

01:50:40   okay thanks like this is this is a [TS]

01:50:42   subtle but important point i am not [TS]

01:50:45   saying that everybody who moves to a [TS]

01:50:46   city is better off and I will always and [TS]

01:50:48   forever think of LA and New York as the [TS]

01:50:51   cities that are crushers of human [TS]

01:50:53   James people move there and they have [TS]

01:50:56   their dreams of fame and fortune crushed [TS]

01:50:59   in various ways but la nonetheless has [TS]

01:51:02   become this specialization for the [TS]

01:51:04   entertainment industry and I think that [TS]

01:51:06   humanity as a whole has a better [TS]

01:51:09   entertainment industry with it being [TS]

01:51:12   centralized to a large portion in one [TS]

01:51:15   place like more things can happen [TS]

01:51:17   because of the density of the people [TS]

01:51:19   there and so like humanity for a whole [TS]

01:51:22   benefits because la is this dense [TS]

01:51:25   centralized focus place i'm not saying [TS]

01:51:27   everybody who moved to LA like oh boy [TS]

01:51:29   what a great time they have is like now [TS]

01:51:30   it crushes your dreams and spits you out [TS]

01:51:32   right thanks to those are very different [TS]

01:51:34   things and so I i am making the like for [TS]

01:51:38   the betterment of humanity argument not [TS]

01:51:41   necessarily anybody in particular [TS]

01:51:42   argument of I want an even bigger denser [TS]

01:51:47   London than currently exists and I think [TS]

01:51:50   that have leaving the European Union [TS]

01:51:53   decreases the probability of that [TS]

01:51:55   happening in the future but like I he [TS]

01:51:57   want every smart ambitious person in [TS]

01:52:02   Romania to move to london like I think [TS]

01:52:05   that is better for Humanity as a whole [TS]

01:52:08   then having people be trapped in their [TS]

01:52:12   small countries like I'm well i'm [TS]

01:52:15   generally for freedom of movement and [TS]

01:52:17   freedom of movement increases density [TS]

01:52:20   which i think is better for Humanity i'm [TS]

01:52:22   not an expert on the subject and i'm [TS]

01:52:23   also in favor freedom of movement but i [TS]

01:52:27   will say that i don't i don't know if [TS]

01:52:32   it's better for Humanity to have a good [TS]

01:52:34   software industry in san francisco and [TS]

01:52:36   could spend movies coming out of LA and [TS]

01:52:39   lots and lots and lots and lots of [TS]

01:52:41   miserable people i think maybe what [TS]

01:52:44   would be better for humanity would be to [TS]

01:52:46   have more happy humans [TS]

01:52:48   I think that is exactly the kind of [TS]

01:52:50   comment that you make when you're not [TS]

01:52:52   actually arguing the point is like yes I [TS]

01:52:54   I to Brady I too want there to be more [TS]

01:52:58   happy people [TS]

01:53:00   nobody's going to argue that point right [TS]

01:53:02   but i think one of the ways that we get [TS]

01:53:05   more happy people is by pushing [TS]

01:53:07   civilization forward it's by getting [TS]

01:53:10   penicillin it's by having better [TS]

01:53:11   entertainment options is by increasing [TS]

01:53:13   technology I think these are all the [TS]

01:53:15   ways that we get better happier people [TS]

01:53:17   like this way we have a better happier [TS]

01:53:19   Society and as far as i can tell [TS]

01:53:20   clustering people in cities is one of [TS]

01:53:23   the most effective ways to get this i'm [TS]

01:53:25   not saying we should abolish cities i [TS]

01:53:27   bought i don't think you're saying [TS]

01:53:29   abolish cities you've got this kind of [TS]

01:53:31   be all and end all of as we just got to [TS]

01:53:33   keep we're gonna go push forward to [TS]

01:53:35   going to keep developing thing you know [TS]

01:53:36   when you talked about although when you [TS]

01:53:38   talk about penicillin and all these [TS]

01:53:40   great developments i don't hear talking [TS]

01:53:41   about nuclear bombs and AK forty-sevens [TS]

01:53:44   and landmines and like this relentless [TS]

01:53:46   push to make everything better and more [TS]

01:53:48   efficient and and you know as absolute [TS]

01:53:53   maximum strength comes with a cost as [TS]

01:53:55   well yeah but it's better than if it's [TS]

01:53:57   always the cost benefit outweighs the [TS]

01:53:59   cost before I I'm saying should we [TS]

01:54:01   should there be a balance should we be [TS]

01:54:03   saying hang on a second [TS]

01:54:04   we've gone too far on this one with that [TS]

01:54:08   I don't think London has gone too far I [TS]

01:54:11   think London has not gone far enough [TS]

01:54:13   ok and i don't think that you're arguing [TS]

01:54:15   for abolishing cities just to be clear i [TS]

01:54:17   don't i don't think that the argument [TS]

01:54:18   that you're making [TS]

01:54:19   yeah but I think you're making an [TS]

01:54:20   argument that's a lot closer to let's [TS]

01:54:23   encourage people to move to non London [TS]

01:54:26   cities Mabel or it's just really common [TS]

01:54:28   when something becomes you know and [TS]

01:54:30   center of excellence like an LA or San [TS]

01:54:35   Francisco another natural thing to [TS]

01:54:37   happen is for people to go well this is [TS]

01:54:39   getting really difficult to manage now [TS]

01:54:41   it's getting really expensive than that [TS]

01:54:43   let's create a second center of [TS]

01:54:44   excellence somewhere else somewhere [TS]

01:54:47   maybe somewhere cheaper this up with [TS]

01:54:50   somewhere somewhere which is a bit more [TS]

01:54:52   feasible for sort of normal for humans [TS]

01:54:54   and that sometimes happens to i 100% [TS]

01:54:58   agree with that and along with my [TS]

01:55:00   obsession with [TS]

01:55:02   the San Francisco property price stories [TS]

01:55:04   which have no personal connection to but [TS]

01:55:06   find interesting i also find very [TS]

01:55:09   interesting this endless push that many [TS]

01:55:11   countries have to have a second silicon [TS]

01:55:13   valley and I actually think that London [TS]

01:55:15   has a pretty decent shot at being able [TS]

01:55:19   to to do this i think the very fact that [TS]

01:55:23   London is a big english-speaking city [TS]

01:55:29   that is able to draw on talent from a [TS]

01:55:32   wide variety of sources i think that it [TS]

01:55:35   might have a chance of being another [TS]

01:55:37   good software technology and five sizes [TS]

01:55:43   go so excited to get around the problem [TS]

01:55:45   of property prices in San Francisco you [TS]

01:55:47   set it up in London where there's also a [TS]

01:55:49   huge problem with property prices [TS]

01:55:51   no no I don't care about you don't get [TS]

01:55:53   her I don't care at all about the [TS]

01:55:54   property prices i think the property [TS]

01:55:56   prices are a measure of how valuable [TS]

01:55:58   places right and in in some private [TS]

01:56:01   conversations I've had with people i [TS]

01:56:03   have I've long held this theory that San [TS]

01:56:05   Francisco is like the most important [TS]

01:56:06   city on the face of the earth right now [TS]

01:56:08   because of what is taking place in terms [TS]

01:56:12   of of technology and and companies there [TS]

01:56:14   and the fact that it's now the most [TS]

01:56:17   expensive place to live is interesting [TS]

01:56:20   to me and seems to to back this up right [TS]

01:56:22   it seems to back up this idea and I [TS]

01:56:25   think than London you're starting from a [TS]

01:56:27   place that is already quite valuable and [TS]

01:56:30   I i think that like it worries me that [TS]

01:56:34   San Francisco sits on top of a huge [TS]

01:56:36   fault line and so I think from the from [TS]

01:56:39   a species level perspective it would be [TS]

01:56:42   fantastic if we had another super [TS]

01:56:45   technology hub somewhere else baby [TS]

01:56:49   wasn't on a fault line and so this is [TS]

01:56:51   also why i like-- i would i would love [TS]

01:56:53   to promote London even further down this [TS]

01:56:56   path of like yes let let us try to [TS]

01:56:59   gather up all of the most talented [TS]

01:57:01   people in the European Union and get [TS]

01:57:04   them to move to this location and that's [TS]

01:57:07   why I don't like the idea of making it [TS]

01:57:08   harder for people to move to london i [TS]

01:57:11   like the idea of making it easier for [TS]

01:57:13   people to move to london [TS]

01:57:14   and what about the old eggs in one [TS]

01:57:16   basket top thing when you talked about [TS]

01:57:18   an earthquake in San Francisco [TS]

01:57:20   I mean what about a dirty bomb in London [TS]

01:57:24   yeah but what about a dirty bomb in San [TS]

01:57:26   Francisco like exactly but that's what [TS]

01:57:28   I'm saying but you're saying let's have [TS]

01:57:29   one of two hubs 101 I have everything a [TS]

01:57:31   bit more spread out so we haven't got [TS]

01:57:33   just two or three soft targets [TS]

01:57:35   everything we know about humans [TS]

01:57:37   indicates that the density matters [TS]

01:57:39   yeah and I think if you spread it out [TS]

01:57:41   too much then you lose almost all of the [TS]

01:57:43   benefits that you're gaining in the [TS]

01:57:44   first place [TS]

01:57:45   yeah right well what about it but I mean [TS]

01:57:47   that's changing with the technology [TS]

01:57:48   letting making sort of the world shrink [TS]

01:57:51   a bit like you used to [TS]

01:57:53   you know I mean you know yourself you [TS]

01:57:55   your assistance in America meant that [TS]

01:57:58   you know you did we don't need to be in [TS]

01:57:59   the same place anymore the way we used [TS]

01:58:00   to [TS]

01:58:01   oh yeah I totally agree like technology [TS]

01:58:04   is helping with this but I don't think [TS]

01:58:07   it's that I don't think it's enough [TS]

01:58:09   yeah and particularly it's not enough if [TS]

01:58:12   you're interested in being the best and [TS]

01:58:16   working with the best people like I find [TS]

01:58:20   it fascinating you know how other [TS]

01:58:22   recurring character on the podcast but [TS]

01:58:24   elon musk rats started in in south [TS]

01:58:26   africa and from what I've read about him [TS]

01:58:29   he knew in his early life that he wanted [TS]

01:58:31   to get to San Francisco as soon as [TS]

01:58:33   possible because he wanted to be exactly [TS]

01:58:36   what he has become and shirt like let's [TS]

01:58:40   say immigration policies were were [TS]

01:58:43   different and it was really hard like [TS]

01:58:44   could Elon Musk has become the best [TS]

01:58:47   businessman in South Africa [TS]

01:58:49   yes quite possibly could he have [TS]

01:58:51   literally ended up running south africa [TS]

01:58:54   yes quite possibly but I don't doubt [TS]

01:58:57   that part of his incredible success and [TS]

01:59:00   the things that he's able to do now is [TS]

01:59:02   the fact of like he was able to get to [TS]

01:59:05   San Francisco and like work with other [TS]

01:59:08   interesting people to get things off the [TS]

01:59:10   ground and so that's why I think the [TS]

01:59:13   density matters and so if if if San [TS]

01:59:16   Francisco sitting on a fault line it's [TS]

01:59:18   like okay well maybe we can get one [TS]

01:59:20   other place that's like sort of kind of [TS]

01:59:22   a backup but even then I still [TS]

01:59:24   fundamentally believe that once you get [TS]

01:59:25   a place that's super specialized [TS]

01:59:27   the best people are always going to want [TS]

01:59:30   to go there and so I merely think that [TS]

01:59:35   London could be like the second most [TS]

01:59:37   important city in the world if it is [TS]

01:59:39   collecting up all of the smartest [TS]

01:59:42   ambitious people in the European Union [TS]

01:59:44   who can easily move there and and try to [TS]

01:59:47   get things started [TS]

01:59:48   so that that's that's kind of my [TS]

01:59:50   position there and what about London's [TS]

01:59:53   creaking transport system and its [TS]

01:59:55   airport crisis [TS]

01:59:57   I mean that things like that use [TS]

01:59:57   I mean that things like that use [TS]

02:00:00   you know that stuff will work itself out [TS]

02:00:02   i guess i never think those are deal [TS]

02:00:04   breakers and i have to say i mean the [TS]

02:00:06   underground as far as public transport [TS]

02:00:08   systems go it's fantastic compared to [TS]

02:00:09   almost everywhere else I have ever been [TS]

02:00:11   so i got i think Londoners love to [TS]

02:00:14   complain about it but as far as public [TS]

02:00:16   transport goes it's pretty great thank [TS]

02:00:18   you [TS]

02:00:19   what what places are you gonna hold up [TS]

02:00:20   its like I will hold up hong kong as a [TS]

02:00:22   better transport system like there-there [TS]

02:00:24   transfer system was pretty good but i [TS]

02:00:27   think it's hard to beat the london one [TS]

02:00:28   in terms of comprehensiveness yeah like [TS]

02:00:31   it's a huge region that's covered by [TS]

02:00:34   public transport [TS]

02:00:36   you are the ultimate London she later [TS]

02:00:38   i'll give you that I'm not a London [TS]

02:00:41   cheerleader right i know i am a CEO is [TS]

02:00:45   pretty chilly no my friend you are a [TS]

02:00:46   London cheerleader and contributed did I [TS]

02:00:51   if I moved out of the UK [TS]

02:00:56   yeah and i moved back to America I would [TS]

02:00:58   probably move to San Francisco because [TS]

02:01:01   even though there are many things about [TS]

02:01:02   san francisco on a hugely long list that [TS]

02:01:05   i could put out that I don't like yeah i [TS]

02:01:08   think it's an interesting place because [TS]

02:01:10   of people going there like get it feeds [TS]

02:01:14   on itself like some of the most [TS]

02:01:16   interesting people i know and follow [TS]

02:01:18   live in that broader area right and so [TS]

02:01:22   like that that is what makes it [TS]

02:01:23   attractive and so like I am I am living [TS]

02:01:27   in London and I really like London but [TS]

02:01:28   it is like it is the biggest city in the [TS]

02:01:30   european union and I and I think like [TS]

02:01:32   that is a unique kind of benefits so I [TS]

02:01:36   am a city cheerleader and I really like [TS]

02:01:38   London your London cheerleader you've [TS]

02:01:41   always been you've always been very very [TS]

02:01:43   much of London cheerleader but that's ok [TS]

02:01:45   everyone who lives in London is is a [TS]

02:01:48   quite of that mind [TS]

02:01:51   yeah because it's the center of [TS]

02:01:52   everything yeah so I guess I'm telling [TS]

02:01:54   people vote for the United Kingdom to [TS]

02:01:57   stay in here the Union to fade London [TS]

02:02:00   and fade the based yeah so that we can [TS]

02:02:03   feed the megacity it will it will eat [TS]

02:02:06   many of you and chew you up and spit you [TS]

02:02:09   out but the ultimate return on [TS]

02:02:10   investment from a few incredibly [TS]

02:02:12   successful people will [TS]

02:02:13   probably be worth it vote stay app [TS]

02:03:59   leicester city well done the Foxes i'm [TS]

02:04:01   sure it was very exciting for you i'm [TS]

02:04:03   happy you got to see a rare event in [TS]

02:04:05   your life it was a fairytale in real [TS]

02:04:06   life it was the it was that doesn't even [TS]

02:04:09   make any sense [TS]

02:04:10   that's a contradictory statement doesn't [TS]

02:04:12   the fairy tale in real life is a fairy [TS]

02:04:15   tale come true like it it's a sort of [TS]

02:04:17   story that could only be made up in a [TS]

02:04:19   fairy tale and yet it didn't happen in [TS]

02:04:20   reality how could it only be made up in [TS]

02:04:22   a fairy tale like we already have [TS]

02:04:24   examples of incredibly rare things [TS]

02:04:25   happening in sports [TS]

02:04:27   this is pretty amazing that they didn't [TS]

02:04:29   they didn't they didn't ride in a [TS]

02:04:31   pumpkin carriage to the Premier League [TS]

02:04:33   final game like what are you talking [TS]

02:04:35   about how do you know i could tell you [TS]

02:04:36   they did you wouldn't know any better [TS]

02:04:37   write your food totally fooled me ready [TS]

02:04:40   you got me there buddy at say what you [TS]

02:04:43   want it was a fairytale [TS]