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H.I. #61: Tesla and King Tut

 

  the day after our last podcast went up [TS]

  when I went into print the regular guy [TS]

  gave me the coffee's with hot stoppers [TS]

  didn't say a word [TS]

  mm and now i'm super paranoid that he [TS]

  listens to the podcast and that there [TS]

  were thumbs in my coffee i will start [TS]

  with a very small confession em at risk [TS]

  of a reading my has no status [TS]

  no I'm sure I'm sure nothing you have [TS]

  ever said on the podcast or ever will [TS]

  say could possibly road your heart is [TS]

  nail States Brady well i guess i guess i [TS]

  just want the people at their to know [TS]

  that even someone like me as human and [TS]

  has my moments of weakness share with [TS]

  the group radio my house at the moment [TS]

  has been having some work done on the [TS]

  roof and there's all this scaffolding up [TS]

  the back of the house and my house is [TS]

  very skinny but we talked so it's very [TS]

  very tall you're looking at you know [TS]

  almost five stories worth of scaffolding [TS]

  yeah it's forever walking from your [TS]

  office down to the kitchen [TS]

  I've never seen the roof of the house [TS]

  and I thought I should go out there and [TS]

  have a look while the scaffoldings there [TS]

  so the other day while the the work when [TS]

  we hear that was just finishing up my [TS]

  said can I go up and have a look like he [TS]

  was about to leave but I was basically [TS]

  saying on my own am I allowed to just [TS]

  got the scaffolding he said yeah you can [TS]

  go up but he did warn me that first [TS]

  ladder is quite tricky because it's not [TS]

  quite long enough it's quite he said he [TS]

  described as quite hairy getting off the [TS]

  first ladder onto the first level of [TS]

  kind of platform then you got to go up [TS]

  another ladder up to another platform [TS]

  and so you're climbing up the [TS]

  scaffolding outside of your house just [TS]

  from the garden up the wall that's what [TS]

  you're doing [TS]

  yeah so he left so I i thought i'm going [TS]

  to have a go i'm gonna do it [TS]

  mm and I got to the top of the first [TS]

  ladder which covers about two or three [TS]

  stories to the point where you have to [TS]

  kind of maneuver yourself off the ladder [TS]

  onto the first platform and and I [TS]

  couldn't do it i just lost me there and [TS]

  I as I SAT there and I'm thinking I was [TS]

  thinking well what would it mean Hillary [TS]

  do you know he wouldn't stop [TS]

  no he wouldn't breathing but then I [TS]

  thought if I fall off here and like I [TS]

  probably die it would just be such a [TS]

  lame story that I died following up [TS]

  scaffolding just like a girl [TS]

  look at the roof like soy chicken there [TS]

  and then like an hour later I went and [TS]

  did it again [TS]

  climb to the top and then thought what [TS]

  can I can't do it and the scaffolding [TS]

  still there now and actually from my [TS]

  office which is at the top of my hat [TS]

  house you can actually open my window [TS]

  and if you maneuver yourself cleverly I [TS]

  could potentially shimmy out of my [TS]

  window onto one of the platform's mhm [TS]

  and then see onto the roof I'm looking [TS]

  at it right now it's like it's within my [TS]

  grasp and i spent a good five minutes [TS]

  half in half out of the window today [TS]

  think he do i do it do i do it do i do I [TS]

  make this little shimmy jump and again [TS]

  at the very last minute I lost my nerve [TS]

  and I still haven't seen the roof and [TS]

  scaffolding is coming down in the next [TS]

  few days so I'm running out of time to [TS]

  be a hero [TS]

  I don't know if you're aware of this [TS]

  Brady but you know you can see your roof [TS]

  on google her here and yeah that was [TS]

  coming [TS]

  do you not the same house gang right you [TS]

  want to see it in person right yeah you [TS]

  want to like Edmund Hillary ya back into [TS]

  the top [TS]

  yeah it's a tiny flag and touch it with [TS]

  you with your own with your own gray not [TS]

  entirely flag i think you know people [TS]

  they won't like I take up under the road [TS]

  yes yeah that would be glorious [TS]

  I think you have to risk your life now [TS]

  to get to the the top of your roof to [TS]

  plant to plant the flag for all to see [TS]

  for miles around in every direction it [TS]

  would be glorious [TS]

  I don't know what's going to happen but [TS]

  it's it's this kind of my failure is [TS]

  looking me in the face constantly [TS]

  through the window the scaffolding [TS]

  saying come on we can do this everyday [TS]

  you can't do it you coward [TS]

  I'm not entirely comfortable with [TS]

  Heights [TS]

  uh-huh you might die from the heights [TS]

  that's that's why [TS]

  yeah I can see that would be that would [TS]

  be quite to be quite nerve-wracking [TS]

  however Brady and I will just say that [TS]

  it's funny that you're mentioning this [TS]

  now because quite recently I saw the [TS]

  roof of my building because I climbed [TS]

  upon it [TS]

  Wow yes [TS]

  now this is a long story that will make [TS]

  very short but falls under the category [TS]

  of a thing that you might like [TS]

  which I think of as technology bites [TS]

  gray in the ass so I had recently gone [TS]

  on this epic epic quest to get a smart [TS]

  lock for my front door so this is the [TS]

  door into my flat not the door into my [TS]

  building [TS]

  I wanted one of these things so that i [TS]

  could just you know they have like these [TS]

  proximity sensor so when your phone gets [TS]

  nearby like it just automatically [TS]

  unlocks the door for you or you can have [TS]

  temporary access codes like I decided [TS]

  that this was a thing that I wanted to [TS]

  get why you laughing why are you [TS]

  laughing do not think this is kevin how [TS]

  inconvenient a case you're gonna shave [TS]

  seconds of a month and how much time do [TS]

  you think you spent trying to find it [TS]

  already and stuff if you're just looking [TS]

  at the pure seconds of my life saved i'm [TS]

  gonna say maybe three or four full [TS]

  afternoon spent researching and trying [TS]

  to find the appropriate smartlock yeah [TS]

  that doesn't that doesn't look good when [TS]

  you say it like that we're gonna put it [TS]

  on a spreadsheet and compare just those [TS]

  two numbers very nice sometimes you just [TS]

  want a nice toy it's the mental burden [TS]

  of it you know that and I'm Way more [TS]

  likely to forget my keys and I am to [TS]

  forget my phone like the chance of me [TS]

  forgetting my phone is 0 and I have [TS]

  definitely forgotten my keys on occasion [TS]

  like it yeah but but your phone and all [TS]

  that technology is much more likely to [TS]

  stop working then k in a lock [TS]

  well this is where we're going with [TS]

  story okay yeah [TS]

  continue continue as i continue to look [TS]

  at that window at the scaffolding anyway [TS]

  it turns out the doors in the UK are [TS]

  built differently than doors just about [TS]

  everywhere else in the world so like [TS]

  smartlock companies just they're just a [TS]

  very few options in the UK so i ended up [TS]

  getting one we seem to be the only one [TS]

  that you could possibly get and I [TS]

  installed it on the door and it was [TS]

  working and I was like oh wow isn't this [TS]

  great like I'm super pleased with this [TS]

  but lo and behold something like a week [TS]

  later it just suddenly stopped working [TS]

  yeah while I was outside the door yeah I [TS]

  have a real problem now because last [TS]

  time when I had an old-fashioned lock [TS]

  and had accidentally locked myself out [TS]

  of the house [TS]

  I like you would do call the locksmith [TS]

  to get my [TS]

  self back in and that is one of those [TS]

  moments when you see how just like Oh [TS]

  your lock is it's not preventing any [TS]

  actual burglars like it takes the [TS]

  locksmith two seconds to break into your [TS]

  house but my smart lock has no lock on [TS]

  it right there is there's no there's no [TS]

  keyhole to pick it's just a face plate [TS]

  right with with numbers on it there's [TS]

  nothing nothing to open to all the [TS]

  locksmiths were like yeah you're just a [TS]

  lot but you're gonna have to breach that [TS]

  door so I'm standing outside of my [TS]

  apartment sad and thinking well this is [TS]

  my own dumb fault and as I was trying to [TS]

  think about like I'm gonna break down [TS]

  this door thinking about if i can [TS]

  actually push open the door with my own [TS]

  bare hands [TS]

  I then remembered that there was this [TS]

  terrifying scary ladder which I could [TS]

  climb that goes maybe 15 feet over this [TS]

  open stairwell in our building which [TS]

  will then give me access to the roof and [TS]

  then through the roof i could try to [TS]

  shimmy down to one of my own windows [TS]

  which I was pretty sure I had left [TS]

  unlocked and I could break into my own [TS]

  apartment that is what I ended up doing [TS]

  climbing out onto the roof of my [TS]

  building and shimmying down the roof [TS]

  toward my own window to break into my [TS]

  own flat all because of my dumb [TS]

  smartlock that i bought myself but so i [TS]

  have seen the roof of my building [TS]

  I think this makes me harder than nails [TS]

  than you you know great remember when I [TS]

  told you that story about being locked [TS]

  out of my hotel room in the mo days when [TS]

  swimming across that channel get to the [TS]

  other room and the first thing you did [TS]

  was like belittle me and tell me it was [TS]

  a nothing story and I was an hour and I [TS]

  wasn't that great then i could do that [TS]

  to you right now but I'm not going to do [TS]

  that I think you're a bloody legend for [TS]

  doing that you are the Indiana Jones of [TS]

  Los good for you i'm proud of you i will [TS]

  send you a photograph of this terrifying [TS]

  ladder that I had to climb to get to my [TS]

  to get to the roof of my building but I [TS]

  will acknowledge that this might be [TS]

  closer on the end of the spectrum to [TS]

  your story about getting into your own [TS]

  your own hotel room but I'm not gonna [TS]

  lie i felt like Batman for breaking into [TS]

  my own flat like this is amazing [TS]

  I don't the coolest person in the world [TS]

  I great I couldn't thank you [TS]

  totalitarian you've inspired me i'm [TS]

  gonna get the scaffolding tomorrow I'm [TS]

  just going to think what would cgp [TS]

  greater that's right Edmund Hillary [TS]

  Edmund who [TS]

  well you've review of really downtrodden [TS]

  me now I was I was like confiding in [TS]

  here about a deficiency and you just [TS]

  said not only are you deficient i'm also [TS]

  i've been up to some mischief [TS]

  yeah you always been up to mischief mr. [TS]

  Fisher specialty is is causing trouble [TS]

  you love wind-ups yeah you love giggling [TS]

  while you're doing these things i do I [TS]

  don't go just often just to myself [TS]

  mm I know I know yeah so among among [TS]

  this week's wide apps have been the [TS]

  release of our black stump t-shirt might [TS]

  even I like mighty was an hour they're [TS]

  our black stump t-shirt there there [TS]

  there is there is a mighty black stripe [TS]

  t-shirt now available in the in the ilka [TS]

  very official rice rat and small pen [TS]

  t-shirts but because i didn't get your [TS]

  approval for this one in any way [TS]

  whatsoever i have even put on the [TS]

  t-shirt that it's an official say so [TS]

  until further notice that the mighty [TS]

  black stamp the grand for center and [TS]

  Adelaide is the an official tall [TS]

  building of hello internet and you can [TS]

  get a t-shirt saying so as well now I [TS]

  can't even remember why did it was [TS]

  because of it was something happened [TS]

  that made me do it [TS]

  this is exactly you don't even know why [TS]

  you do anything right here you know who [TS]

  knows how an official teaser to get me [TS]

  they just appear greedy just somehow [TS]

  we'll them into existence [TS]

  what is this another one of the [TS]

  teespring ones that is there a time when [TS]

  yeah yeah there's a time limit but [TS]

  because this part because this podcast [TS]

  probably won't go out for about eight [TS]

  weeks i'll renew it so people who heard [TS]

  the podcast currently scouting have a [TS]

  look at it [TS]

  yeah that's my reaction cycles eight [TS]

  weeks but yeah so have you bought one [TS]

  no I have I haven't bought one of these [TS]

  ships open fire at what I here on [TS]

  official crazy a tall building like I [TS]

  disagree with this shirt on on so many [TS]

  and so very little [TS]

  yeah but all building like tall building [TS]

  first of all should be in [TS]

  in quotes know what I was gonna have as [TS]

  the unofficial skyscraper of hello [TS]

  internet but then I went on to wikipedia [TS]

  to look up what a skyscraper was and [TS]

  although the black stuff does appear on [TS]

  some skyscraper websites it cannot be [TS]

  classified as a skyscraper that's how I [TS]

  we all know which building is the actual [TS]

  skyscraper of the podcast right there's [TS]

  only one [TS]

  the thing about i think is tragically [TS]

  for that special a4 paper who has an [TS]

  opportunity is the shard if I don't [TS]

  think you realize how Mickey Mouse the [TS]

  shard is because you've been living in [TS]

  London for too long I am perfectly well [TS]

  aware of the actual height of the shard [TS]

  my point is always that is hugely [TS]

  impressive precisely because there is [TS]

  not anything nearby but i've said i've [TS]

  said before I've been in the shard I've [TS]

  been in the Empire State Building have [TS]

  been other tall buildings the shard [TS]

  feels the tallest even though i know it [TS]

  is not remotely as talk to you you [TS]

  haven't been the top a willing to pay [TS]

  the Burj Khalifa that's about but I'm [TS]

  not traveling that far east anymore i [TS]

  think the shard now we'll talk about the [TS]

  shot another day we can argue about [TS]

  skyscrapers but we won't be hard [TS]

  thinking about is whether or not the [TS]

  tiny black stump is kinda scary but I [TS]

  will totally on record here say that I [TS]

  was wrong about something because on our [TS]

  on our YouTube channel where we [TS]

  sometimes release little bits of the [TS]

  podcast that have been cut [TS]

  I put up a conversation between you and [TS]

  me we were arguing about in a listener [TS]

  photo that someone had sent in whether [TS]

  or not the stump was visible in the [TS]

  background and I I will concede some [TS]

  people were doing some like CSI in [TS]

  aligning of photographs a later later [TS]

  after that thing went live and when you [TS]

  we put some images side-by-side I will [TS]

  concede that would you claim those four [TS]

  black pixels that you said where the the [TS]

  mighty black stump I was wrong you were [TS]

  right it was barely visible on the [TS]

  horizon right so like I will totally [TS]

  granted [TS]

  however what I would really like to see [TS]

  is will somebody please take the image [TS]

  that Brady has chosen for [TS]

  his t-shirt of the mighty black stump [TS]

  and put it next to an actual image of [TS]

  the mighty black stump because the [TS]

  actual skyscraper is a it's a stump [TS]

  right that's why we call it that way [TS]

  right it is it is barely not a cube [TS]

  meanwhile Brady the way you have drawn [TS]

  it on this t-shirt it is it is a huge [TS]

  building feeling because this is what [TS]

  that this is what the black stump dreams [TS]

  that it is but it is not that I think [TS]

  yeah that's what that's like a look at [TS]

  this dirt like nothing about this shirt [TS]

  is accurate at all humans what is what [TS]

  the black step was to me as a as a boy [TS]

  like it's like oh why did I see it's got [TS]

  a Wikipedia page now thank you [TS]

  hello internet people who really created [TS]

  this page is it really but it's a it's a [TS]

  hundred and three meters [TS]

  Wow 26 floors and just search on [TS]

  wikipedia for mighty black sample not [TS]

  pulling up anything is it under a [TS]

  different name its underground folks [TS]

  center now it's not as if that is fun [TS]

  but it's got alternative names the black [TS]

  stop mighty black stump is a great and [TS]

  there was never a mighty in the name of [TS]

  the Blackstone okay it does have a [TS]

  Wikipedia page i think that you know [TS]

  someone on wikipedia should make mighty [TS]

  black stump redirected grandville center [TS]

  you know no one will notice you can [TS]

  totally slipped that in Wikipedia [TS]

  editors but it is it is also skyscraper [TS]

  page dot com [TS]

  mm so take a look at this t-shirt people [TS]

  and you decide whether or not there's [TS]

  any reality represented on this show I [TS]

  don't think you've done a good job [TS]

  selling it so i think i will have to do [TS]

  with their rather flat sales but that's [TS]

  a wrap [TS]

  I've ordered what we all know that's [TS]

  precisely the reason this shirt came [TS]

  into existing really wanted a mighty [TS]

  black stump t-shirt and Brady will now [TS]

  have a mighty belt Blackstone t-shirt I [TS]

  tell you are any Tim's to get a mighty [TS]

  black striped asia and take a photograph [TS]

  of themselves wearing it in front of [TS]

  other skyscrapers are in for some hello [TS]

  Internet love i can tell you that right [TS]

  now [TS]

  so are they are they and for hello [TS]

  Internet love will at least from one [TS]

  half of Hollywood to Italy with [TS]

  yeah i think the other half my ignore [TS]

  them completely it [TS]

  I don't know what I don't know what [TS]

  you're talking about [TS]

  along with buddy black step another [TS]

  thing which she gave me a hard time [TS]

  about you you're worried about nothing [TS]

  you did well one of the one of my one of [TS]

  my personality quirks that you have [TS]

  pointed out is my pen chart for pointing [TS]

  in photos pointing at the thing like [TS]

  that thing next to me or the thing [TS]

  behind me so I took a photograph the [TS]

  other day I was in the National Portrait [TS]

  Gallery which by the way how good is [TS]

  that place I've never been there before [TS]

  have you been to the national portrait [TS]

  gallery yeah it's been it's been awhile [TS]

  since i've been there but I i used to go [TS]

  there much more frequently and yeah it's [TS]

  a pretty cool building [TS]

  yeah what's up I just love the portraits [TS]

  i could spend hours in there disagree [TS]

  please this is a few great places in [TS]

  there to work which i used to work a [TS]

  long time ago but it's like a little [TS]

  cafe area up on the second floor it's [TS]

  it's a really interesting building i [TS]

  think it's laid out well liked it and [TS]

  and I guess there's portraits in there [TS]

  as well I love to i loved I loved all [TS]

  the portraits and one of them was of a [TS]

  general Montgomery and in his painting [TS]

  he's pointing at a map behind himself [TS]

  and so I took a picture of me in front [TS]

  of their pointing at the picture of [TS]

  Montgomery pointing hmm i actually took [TS]

  it for you and but then I also put on [TS]

  Twitter or Instagram or whatever the [TS]

  social media of the day was someone else [TS]

  sort of appreciated the métis of this [TS]

  so they took a picture of themselves [TS]

  pointing at the picture of me pointing [TS]

  at montgomery and then and then someone [TS]

  saw that took a picture of himself [TS]

  pointing at this guy pointing it there [TS]

  and it's kind of got a little bit ahead [TS]

  now and I think at last count we're sort [TS]

  of it [TS]

  2221 levels deep of inception where [TS]

  everyone's taking a picture of the [TS]

  picture before with himself pointing at [TS]

  it so it's a it started off was a fun [TS]

  picture for your great but it's turned [TS]

  into one of these lovely little internet [TS]

  thing so I think [TS]

  Thank You Tim's for he bring me this is [TS]

  an absolutely delightful internet thing [TS]

  it's like that we have taken what is a [TS]

  break [TS]

  ism and turned it into a chain of people [TS]

  and i've been i've been seeing some of [TS]

  this on Twitter and I like the [TS]

  variations that some people have done on [TS]

  the theme i guess i saw one person who [TS]

  had the picture up on their Apple watch [TS]

  and so then is them pointing at the [TS]

  picture on their Apple watch like people [TS]

  always do incredibly clever things with [TS]

  this and I saw that you are trying to [TS]

  track this on on your website like you [TS]

  put a list of of a whole bunch of the [TS]

  ones that you could find like you were [TS]

  trying to track the longest chain [TS]

  yeah but this this to me seems like a [TS]

  super fun [TS]

  Tim community thing and also like this [TS]

  is the kind of thing where the chain has [TS]

  obviously broken off like it very [TS]

  quickly ends up branching because people [TS]

  are working in parallel to each other [TS]

  like I almost always want to see like [TS]

  someone map it out like Wikipedia style [TS]

  of a link from from each picture to each [TS]

  picture [TS]

  well I have super enjoyed this and I [TS]

  feel like this is the thing that [TS]

  everybody can get it on taking a picture [TS]

  of themselves with the picture that is [TS]

  the chain heading before them like what [TS]

  is the longest chain of Tim's that we [TS]

  can build I I see no reason that we [TS]

  can't get a thing that's a thousand [TS]

  teams long there's the reason that we [TS]

  can't imagine that canopy track the [TS]

  completionist my head's gonna want to [TS]

  track that on my blog though and I cut I [TS]

  can't devote more time to it [TS]

  well you know that's your problem that's [TS]

  not my problem [TS]

  I want a chain a thousand team's strong [TS]

  that's around looking for [TS]

  it's totally doable right leg is [TS]

  everyone can get in on this [TS]

  it sounds like a like a Bible verse or [TS]

  something doesn't have a chain a [TS]

  thousand team strong like yeah it can [TS]

  never be broken [TS]

  a change Thousand tubes drug can never [TS]

  be broken so sayeth cgpgrey exactly i [TS]

  like it i like i love i love this [TS]

  internet stuff i love the people thing [TS]

  to do it i love the people then had take [TS]

  their own fun versions of it like this [TS]

  is this to me is just such a pure [TS]

  example of Internet delight like the [TS]

  internet is always so fun [TS]

  whether it's like screwing with [TS]

  Wikipedia or making chains of 10 [TS]

  sounds like there's always something [TS]

  that the internet is up to [TS]

  photoshopbattles I just love this kind [TS]

  of stuff so the problem is though it [TS]

  escalate so much and everyone wants to [TS]

  be the person who does the thing that's [TS]

  different to everyone else so like like [TS]

  so for example one person pointing to [TS]

  the picture and their Apple watch [TS]

  that's quite cool because it's like a [TS]

  different one in the chain but that's [TS]

  only call if everyone else has done it [TS]

  pretty normal but if every single person [TS]

  is trying to outdo the person before [TS]

  it's suddenly like I don't know it Lou [TS]

  the exceptional losses specialist and it [TS]

  just becomes a great big mess of course [TS]

  of course be a gigantic matter what can [TS]

  you expect it's going to end in a nice [TS]

  orderly tiny fashion of course not right [TS]

  it's gonna end in a huge mess [TS]

  that's just the way these things are [TS]

  supposed to go yeah it's gonna be people [TS]

  taking pictures of themselves riding [TS]

  dinosaurs with pictures in the [TS]

  background you never know where it's [TS]

  going well there is now [TS]

  yeah you know someone someone is going [TS]

  to be in the mighty Blackstone taking a [TS]

  picture of themselves [TS]

  someone's gonna be in dulles like a [TS]

  little will hit all the memes will hit [TS]

  all the things all the permutation link [TS]

  in the show notes beforehand to continue [TS]

  this Jane people [TS]

  mhm I'm just trying to keep men tonight [TS]

  in my head at which wikipedia page is [TS]

  going to be locked as a result of this [TS]

  podcast today i don't i don't know what [TS]

  you're I don't know what you don't know [TS]

  if there's always a few victims like it [TS]

  but I have okay like I do okay i do want [TS]

  to address it a slight think because [TS]

  this thing that happens which is yet [TS]

  sometimes sometimes i will call out for [TS]

  Wikipedia modifications to be made right [TS]

  and like I throw my hands up in the [TS]

  honors like I don't know who or what is [TS]

  going to do these things like I'm not [TS]

  responsible i'm just tossing ideas out [TS]

  there like I have I have no [TS]

  responsibility for what happens they do [TS]

  have to say though actually just [TS]

  remember have to say I saw shocking [TS]

  shocking wikipedia vandalization the [TS]

  other day on my own page [TS]

  nonetheless holes someone some trader [TS]

  replaced the mighty nail and gear flag [TS]

  on my Wikipedia page as the official [TS]

  flag of the hello Internet podcast with [TS]

  the rebel scum flag flag [TS]

  oh my goodness that's like that's like [TS]

  an idea that's like a that's a capital [TS]

  offense in some countries [TS]

  yeah I couldn't believe it I couldn't [TS]

  believe it looking at my own Wikipedia [TS]

  page and like scrolls girl like what is [TS]

  this [TS]

  that's not the official flag but there's [TS]

  a wikipedia with this lie about being [TS]

  the official flag on their I could I [TS]

  could not believe it couldn't believe it [TS]

  is the most shocking vandalism I've ever [TS]

  seen on wikipedia say what you will [TS]

  about my private life of parentage but [TS]

  don't change the flag [TS]

  yeah my god but I'm playing it is [TS]

  nothing sacred [TS]

  the institution of the hello Internet [TS]

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  side note here I still don't understand [TS]

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  page why it's just on my page like it's [TS]

  if i'm going to go for Wikipedia [TS]

  evangelization like this is what can we [TS]

  got its own page instead of just being [TS]

  on my page but anyway whenever whenever [TS]

  whenever I do call for changes in [TS]

  Wikipedia like we did last time with [TS]

  Bhutan where where I made a reference [TS]

  about how the disambiguation page did [TS]

  not refer to baton and in the way that [TS]

  you thought it did [TS]

  and then there was a hilarious edit war [TS]

  that lasted like 40 edits before some [TS]

  before some moderator came along and [TS]

  locked it down and said oh no one can [TS]

  change this page anymore because someone [TS]

  screwing with it without a doubt every [TS]

  time I i might cause one of these things [TS]

  to occur i do get feedback from people [TS]

  who are like you should encourage [TS]

  wikipedia evangelization like that's not [TS]

  good [TS]

  wikipedia is cultural institutions [TS]

  should always be protected [TS]

  I feel like I i agree with that like I [TS]

  agree with that in principle but i also [TS]

  think that wikipedia can't protect [TS]

  itself from the most minor and [TS]

  good-natured of vandalization if it [TS]

  can't handle like the tiniest amount of [TS]

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  up the immune system wikipedia actually [TS]

  look it's just so germs you have to be [TS]

  exposed to them and you have to be able [TS]

  to deal with this stuff rapidly and [TS]

  everything will sort itself out like I'm [TS]

  always impressed by how fast actually [TS]

  some some parent comes along and locks [TS]

  down the fun on a controversial [TS]

  wikipedia page like I don't know how I [TS]

  like I thought no one will ever notice [TS]

  that the disambiguation pages being [TS]

  screwed with 512 Tim's but it was like [TS]

  so fast got lockdown so Wikipedia is [TS]

  grown-up it can handle itself people i [TS]

  don't know ground and how I feel about I [TS]

  I'm kind of I guess I'm in the same boat [TS]

  as you but there is that you know when [TS]

  there's a big forest fire raging you [TS]

  sometimes get troublemakers who go and [TS]

  light small fire somewhere else and [TS]

  divert resources Fire Department [TS]

  resources to put out some little fire [TS]

  and it's like hang on guys they're [TS]

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  you know don't take them away from the [TS]

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  important people that should be looking [TS]

  after important pages on wikipedia and [TS]

  they're having to go and deal with [TS]

  whether or not through tad should be [TS]

  called the forbidden kingdom seems like [TS]

  air we seem like we're being part of the [TS]

  problem and not part of the solution but [TS]

  of course we're part of the problem and [TS]

  not part of the solution [TS]

  I don't think anything part of calling [TS]

  for people will not directly of course [TS]

  just insinuating but like for calling [TS]

  people to screw with Wikipedia pages is [TS]

  that is remotely like oh I think I'm [TS]

  part of the solution not a secondhand a [TS]

  second-minute got a minute ago you were [TS]

  talking about how we will be waiting at [TS]

  the Immunity we could pay your we were [TS]

  like you're talking like we were you [TS]

  know that i doing them a service by [TS]

  helping them and now and now you're like [TS]

  oh you know obviously we're part of the [TS]

  problem in the same way that like germs [TS]

  are part of the problem right [TS]

  what what iiiii don't actually like this [TS]

  is it's actually think that I just don't [TS]

  know I assume that there must be some [TS]

  kind of algorithms that alert people to [TS]

  no one has modified the boot on page in [TS]

  months and suddenly it's gotten 300 it's [TS]

  in an hour [TS]

  like I'm assuming that there must be [TS]

  some kind of algorithm that alerts [TS]

  moderators to something fishy's going on [TS]

  over here like I have no idea how [TS]

  wikipedia works but there has to be [TS]

  automated tools in place to try to catch [TS]

  vandalism at this stage like I i I'd be [TS]

  shocked if there if there isn't really [TS]

  curious now but yeah and i think i think [TS]

  wikipedia and it it has to stand up to [TS]

  this kind of stuff if it can withstand [TS]

  if it can withstand in jokes on the [TS]

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  internet i do I great crowd I wouldn't [TS]

  be doing my job if I didn't ask you [TS]

  about the New Testament because although [TS]

  you would never admit this and you hate [TS]

  me saying this but I think you're a bit [TS]

  of a Tesla fanboy [TS]

  II was I think that that's just a little [TS]

  little hunch i have yeah and and so the [TS]

  release of this new is that isn't the [TS]

  Tesla three is that this sort of the [TS]

  other calling it the model 3 the model 3 [TS]

  and this is kind of supposed to be the [TS]

  every man every woman version of the [TS]

  copyright play it's a bit more [TS]

  affordable [TS]

  they seem to be doing of I some kind of [TS]

  glorified kicks data wait wait where you [TS]

  where you pay now and maybe get a car [TS]

  later if this isn't a catastrophe [TS]

  waiting to happen I don't know what it [TS]

  is but anyway you have to have faith in [TS]

  elon musk a right that's that's the [TS]

  thing Brady have eight faith I can I [TS]

  think we're going to I think it's gonna [TS]

  be the the rocket all over again I think [TS]

  it's gonna be it's gonna be granted [TS]

  maybe one day good but there might be a [TS]

  few bumpy landings first what do you [TS]

  mean by the rocket all over again what [TS]

  do you mean by that well he's having [TS]

  problems with his rockets isn't when i [TS]

  try to land on the ship they keep [TS]

  falling over and blowing up adam and i [TS]

  haven't been following the SpaceX news [TS]

  so I am I unaware of that he's had a few [TS]

  he's had a few crash-and-burn moments [TS]

  who unites good on him get on him [TS]

  what do you think of the Tesla Model 3 I [TS]

  will confess that yes indeed I am quite [TS]

  interested in Tesla that insult you but [TS]

  there's something you have picked up on [TS]

  which is a thing that i find fascinating [TS]

  because i am just not a car person i do [TS]

  not care at all about cars but the way I [TS]

  always describe test lied to everybody [TS]

  in my life is that there's no car inside [TS]

  these cars like a test lab there's no [TS]

  car here and all of the stuff that I [TS]

  don't like about cars internal [TS]

  combustion engines spark plugs and wires [TS]

  and liquids on the inside like all of [TS]

  that stuff is just gone and then once [TS]

  you remove all of that suddenly things [TS]

  that I find interesting like battery [TS]

  technology and essentially like [TS]

  computers on wheels like oh that's what [TS]

  these car is and so I think it is super [TS]

  interesting i think it's super [TS]

  interesting i've been really following [TS]

  Tesla ever since they did that big [TS]

  battery announcement which I know it was [TS]

  that two years ago that was really the [TS]

  first time it came across my radar that [TS]

  they were pushing into this this [TS]

  industry of making batteries and things [TS]

  and like I find myself in this injustice [TS]

  funny situation I like filled with the [TS]

  desire to own a Tesla even though i have [TS]

  no use for one in my life whatsoever i [TS]

  normally never feel this way about [TS]

  things like wanting a thing that could [TS]

  serve absolutely no function in my life [TS]

  but I could I would totally love to buy [TS]

  a Tesla and just like have it in front [TS]

  of my house and I would just look at it [TS]

  like wow look at this Tesla that I own [TS]

  but I can't drive because I didn't have [TS]

  a driver's license in the UK and even if [TS]

  I did I would have nowhere to drive to [TS]

  because everywhere I need to go i can [TS]

  walk to you but still look at this [TS]

  amazing Tesla in front of my house it's [TS]

  mine and i own it admit it totally what [TS]

  i would do you have a gorgeous car [TS]

  that's not a car to go with your watch [TS]

  that's not a watch [TS]

  yeah exactly exactly it is just so funny [TS]

  to be aware of that feeling within [TS]

  myself wait think it through man you [TS]

  have no use for this is like yeah but I [TS]

  totally want one [TS]

  I get that I get that I imagine you do [TS]

  get that because because you have lots [TS]

  of things you must feel this way about [TS]

  all the things in your life what about [TS]

  how do you feel about the model 3 verses [TS]

  that the other ones that are the pro [TS]

  versions that are out there are only the [TS]

  pro version i don't know i don't know if [TS]

  they're the pro versions i feel that the [TS]

  model 3 is not as good [TS]

  I feel like I feel like the model 3 is [TS]

  likely that the 5c of the range who [TS]

  those are fighting words they are no I [TS]

  could be wrong but I mean I'm happy to [TS]

  be told i'm wrong but it just it just [TS]

  feels like it's the that you know them [TS]

  the one for everyone did you did you [TS]

  watch the actual announcement or have [TS]

  you just heard about it now I've just [TS]

  heard about really no excuse Kim read a [TS]

  couple of articles i have to say the [TS]

  thing that I think is the absolute [TS]

  coolest and greatest about the model 3 [TS]

  is when they did the announcement right [TS]

  and they showed off the model 3 at the [TS]

  at the very end of it the thing that's [TS]

  really caught my eye was the dashboard [TS]

  of this car just like there's no car in [TS]

  the car [TS]

  there's basically no dash [TS]

  bored in this car like there is nothing [TS]

  like a traditional dashboard on the [TS]

  front it's just flat and there are only [TS]

  two things in there there's the steering [TS]

  wheel and there's this gigantic [TS]

  touchscreen but there's none of like the [TS]

  knobs and dials and vents and like all [TS]

  of just the crap that's always at the [TS]

  front of a car that caught my eye right [TS]

  away and I was like I have never seen a [TS]

  more beautiful car interior than this [TS]

  one like this is amazing [TS]

  bro you're not going to be surprised to [TS]

  hear i disagree with your little bit [TS]

  because you possibly disagree [TS]

  doesn't that look amazing I'm looking at [TS]

  it and it looks like it doesn't look bad [TS]

  but the problem is i really like car [TS]

  dashboards I'll tell your story right [TS]

  you know okay you know i like you know I [TS]

  like to express myself three stories [TS]

  okay okay everybody time to take the [TS]

  seat times that getup gather gather [TS]

  around Papa Brady again while he tells [TS]

  your story this time about a car [TS]

  dashboard ok when i was a wee lad my my [TS]

  neighbor and I used to get a lift to [TS]

  school every day with our friend a [TS]

  friend's dad and her friends dad was [TS]

  well often had a really posh car and he [TS]

  had a car which at the time we called a [TS]

  holden holden thing like a make a car [TS]

  like afford ok a holden calais em in [TS]

  later years I learned that CA el país [TS]

  is actually pronounced Calais and has a [TS]

  place in France so he actually had a [TS]

  hole in Calais and I wasn't I wasn't [TS]

  porsche enough to know what that meant [TS]

  and no other was my friend so we used to [TS]

  say Oh a friend's got a hold and callous [TS]

  and we call it that for years [TS]

  it's something I've never seen before [TS]

  and that was an electronic dashboard no [TS]

  doubt not dials actual digital numbers [TS]

  that show the exact speed you know 32 [TS]

  km/h and I was transfixed by this and I [TS]

  would stared and even the fuel gauges [TS]

  electronic with let you know little blue [TS]

  bars that showed how much fuel you had [TS]

  and this was other than Knight Rider [TS]

  this was the first time I'd seen a [TS]

  dashboard that could do this and not [TS]

  right that not right that was pretty [TS]

  important to me so from that point on I [TS]

  became obsessed with car dashboards [TS]

  little [TS]

  and I used to get notebooks and design [TS]

  the dashboard of my dream car like with [TS]

  up with pen and light and are even [TS]

  remember I invented a car called the [TS]

  zetter on that had this amazing the [TS]

  electronic dashboard that I'd that I [TS]

  spent hours and hours drawing and then I [TS]

  realized like I should probably designed [TS]

  the rest of the car as well after I [TS]

  spent like five days on the dashboard [TS]

  and I was really bad at drawing it [TS]

  didn't understand how cars work so I [TS]

  just like drew the side of a coward said [TS]

  the engine goes here right there are but [TS]

  i would spend forever on on dashboard so [TS]

  that car dashboards are very special to [TS]

  me and I really like them but like you [TS]

  know like a mechanical watch so making a [TS]

  car that doesn't have a dashboard be it [TS]

  be at old fashioned Isles which I've [TS]

  probably got more into now because of my [TS]

  sensibilities or even a little [TS]

  electronic ones like Knight Rider [TS]

  it feels a bit said to me to think that [TS]

  you can have a car with no dashboard [TS]

  I'm sorry your old ways are dying but [TS]

  this new dashboard is so sexy like how [TS]

  can you be sad about this it's nice that [TS]

  they didn't finish it's like I will put [TS]

  the dashboard later at the moment but we [TS]

  haven't done that yet but for now we'll [TS]

  just have yeah I guess no this is the [TS]

  thing it's beautiful it's beautiful like [TS]

  that Dad don't want to do you want to be [TS]

  a bit James Dean or something and have [TS]

  you know that's probably a bad analogy [TS]

  saying he died in a car crash but yeah [TS]

  great grace is that today why don't you [TS]

  make sure we're gonna play don't you [TS]

  want to be Jefferson Airplane like no [TS]

  you don't want to be a bit ritchie [TS]

  valens yeah alright it will say will say [TS]

  I i do like tears i've been in one and i [TS]

  think it was cool when I do like their [TS]

  i'm still so envious of the fact that [TS]

  you've been in 1i have yet to actually [TS]

  well Tesla well will saw that sort that [TS]

  out sometime [TS]

  yeah I really like one of these days I'm [TS]

  gonna take a ride in a Tesla I am I'm [TS]

  just dying for that day I have a little [TS]

  theory that I want to put on the table [TS]

  about this model three though which is [TS]

  so as we are recording and you know it [TS]

  was just announced whatever was last [TS]

  week the week before and is not going to [TS]

  be available until next year right which [TS]

  which means it's probably not going to [TS]

  be in people's hands for like 18 months [TS]

  at least [TS]

  and so just like with the previous Tesla [TS]

  Model ass about that was sold to people [TS]

  and then later in its life cycle through [TS]

  a software update Tesla introduced what [TS]

  they're calling the autopilot features [TS]

  and autopilot is tesla's semi autonomous [TS]

  driving system so it's the thing that [TS]

  allows the car to park itself it's a [TS]

  bunch of auto breaking stuff and I think [TS]

  most interestingly it is the again they [TS]

  call it like cruise control i think for [TS]

  legal reasons but it is the self driving [TS]

  on the highway thing where the Tesla [TS]

  will stay in its own lane and it'll be [TS]

  able to drive on the highway i'm willing [TS]

  to bet money that this model 3 is [TS]

  designed to be a fully autonomous car [TS]

  and that that will come in a future [TS]

  software update from Tesla like i just i [TS]

  would bet almost anything that that's [TS]

  the case it like just like with the [TS]

  model s where they over engineered it so [TS]

  they could introduce more features later [TS]

  i'm willing to bet almost anything that [TS]

  this model 3 is designed to be like a [TS]

  fully fully point-to-point autonomous [TS]

  car and that like they will they will [TS]

  introduce that in a later software [TS]

  update like once it is in people's hands [TS]

  I'm i would be shocked if that's not the [TS]

  case so i think we might actually be [TS]

  looking at the first consumer available [TS]

  complete point-to-point self-driving car [TS]

  in the model 3 that's but it's just a [TS]

  guess it's just a guess but I'm putting [TS]

  it out there [TS]

  cards on the table cry if you put oppose [TS]

  the death i dont have space right that [TS]

  you have you have no i haven't put that [TS]

  now I haven't put down a deposit but i [TS]

  have no parking space [TS]

  ok but yet you're not going to get one [TS]

  for two years anyway I think you have I [TS]

  have no I i have not put down a deposit [TS]

  on this one I'm not put down deposit on [TS]

  it [TS]

  I i like is to go what would i do i will [TS]

  i get i have no parking space to put it [TS]

  you already told us what you did park in [TS]

  the street and admired that I don't have [TS]

  a parking spaces out there [TS]

  no parking space if it's sort that out [TS]

  in the next two years [TS]

  yeah i guess maybe I problem i probably [TS]

  will move the next two years so i'll be [TS]

  sure i'll be sure to be looking for a [TS]

  parking space for my debts Allah as part [TS]

  of part of my next apartment move for my [TS]

  test that will never go anywhere you can [TS]

  pack it in my place and come up here for [TS]

  weekend I'm not leaving my test laid [TS]

  your house that's for sure you can kind [TS]

  of gonna leave my precious test let your [TS]

  house no way buddy you you put a little [TS]

  doggie basket on the inside you have [TS]

  Audrey Lulu sleeping in there that's [TS]

  what happened to my poor Tesla in a very [TS]

  typical greater Brady shift in news [TS]

  stories we should move from the [TS]

  announcement of a new self-driving car [TS]

  maybe by elon musk to the news that has [TS]

  been catching my eye on the last couple [TS]

  of weeks and this is to do with a new [TS]

  discovery in the tomb of King [TS]

  Tutankhamen haha oh my god wow you think [TS]

  there's a new king tut news [TS]

  how can there be how can okay how can [TS]

  there be discoveries of things in his [TS]

  tomb was this tomb open like a hundred [TS]

  years ago [TS]

  well let's let's let's start this is a [TS]

  tomb of a guy from what 5,000 years ago [TS]

  2,000 years ago I don't even have any [TS]

  idea is to most discovered in 1922 so [TS]

  you're getting to the hundred years [TS]

  videos [TS]

  yeah so what as a boy cry of course is [TS]

  that all the Brady stories start right [TS]

  okay i'm asking about years a boy you as [TS]

  a boy were you captured by the spell of [TS]

  Egypt like i was i was under the spell [TS]

  of stargate as a boy about as close to [TS]

  being super interested in Egypt as I [TS]

  ever got really you didn't you didn't go [TS]

  through a phase where you're really into [TS]

  like mummies and pyramids and what sort [TS]

  of stuff [TS]

  no bunch of dead people wrapped in rags [TS]

  now you know what I want I want wormhole [TS]

  technology that's why that's why [TS]

  Stargate with my thing like oh yeah if [TS]

  we have to have Egyptian culture to get [TS]

  it you know whatever that's a small [TS]

  price to pay [TS]

  I was not ever into Egyptology as a kid [TS]

  you know other than like the most minor [TS]

  of passing like interest like Oh [TS]

  hieroglyphics kind [TS]

  well and I really like lots of kids are [TS]

  into it's not like a silly question that [TS]

  we've been to dinosaurs a boy like you [TS]

  know things like that [TS]

  is there a human alive wasn't into [TS]

  dinosaurs are awesome [TS]

  yeah well they're just like fleshy dead [TS]

  animals that don't exist anymore [TS]

  how can you justify dinosaurs and then [TS]

  yes I monies and pyramids and co because [TS]

  dinosaurs like fun monsters Egypt's [TS]

  ancient Egypt it's just like ancient [TS]

  anywhere else you know it's like a thing [TS]

  we did it as humans a while ago it [TS]

  didn't last [TS]

  I can't agree with you on that i think i [TS]

  think just because this age of stuff is [TS]

  survived but they're pretty awesome [TS]

  culture time anyway I was going to say [TS]

  about do you think it is like that's an [TS]

  interesting connection to Guns Germs and [TS]

  Steel because I think Egypt is an [TS]

  interesting culture of like why did the [TS]

  Egyptians take over it seemed like they [TS]

  were doing quite well but we'll just put [TS]

  that to the side of the starters [TS]

  mentioned it and then we'll just reckon [TS]

  amoooor yahoo right along they had [TS]

  domesticated horses quite a long time [TS]

  ago I wonder why LOL we gotta go we [TS]

  gotta go [TS]

  you're arguing the other argument there [TS]

  is so for those of you who don't know [TS]

  let me quickly run you through the [TS]

  entire history of Egypt now for that [TS]

  for those of you who don't know anybody [TS]

  i'm assuming you have not been to Egypt [TS]

  and gray now I'm gonna round trip to [TS]

  Egypt is an awesome place to go [TS]

  probably not at the moment they've had [TS]

  their nose bloodied a little bit lately [TS]

  by fewer incidents which hitting a [TS]

  tourist trade quite had which also makes [TS]

  this story even more interesting but one [TS]

  of the coolest things you can see but [TS]

  before you continue with the story like [TS]

  are the incidences remotely relevant [TS]

  because of course as always I have no [TS]

  idea what you're talking about [TS]

  well there's been some terrorism things [TS]

  there's it was a a plane was shot down [TS]

  like a plane crash corner in there for [TS]

  your Russian passenger plane think so [TS]

  never yeah it's become it's become a bit [TS]

  of a planned a lot of flights to certain [TS]

  areas now been bad by certain countries [TS]

  so they're having a tough time [TS]

  mhm but they've got some cool stuff and [TS]

  one of the coolest places you can go is [TS]

  near Luxor which used to be thieves used [TS]

  to be that I've been to the luxor [TS]

  yes well yes near the top of the city of [TS]

  Luxor is it is a place called the valley [TS]

  of the kings which for a long time is [TS]

  where all of the pharaohs were buried it [TS]

  is it's this valley in the middle of [TS]

  nowhere it's really hard to get to and [TS]

  if you ever want to kill a bunch of time [TS]

  on the internet by looking at cool [TS]

  websites and wikipedia and reading about [TS]

  something [TS]

  the Valley of the Kings is brilliant [TS]

  because the Valley of the Kings is an [TS]

  amazing place a lot of people get [TS]

  excited by the pyramids but i think the [TS]

  Valley of the Kings is way more [TS]

  interesting and like I wouldn't saw the [TS]

  pyramids and I were our amazing but I [TS]

  was ten times more excited about the [TS]

  Valley of the Kings got all these really [TS]

  really elaborate terms these tunnels [TS]

  with many many chambers are all [TS]

  decorated and they were the burial sites [TS]

  for all these Pharaoh's and now all [TS]

  empty they were there all looted and all [TS]

  the stuff was stolen from them or their [TS]

  with that later disassembled when the [TS]

  Valley of the Kings was kind of shut [TS]

  down can you go in them now like when [TS]

  you can you can you can go in them and [TS]

  in fact it was brilliant when I went [TS]

  while I was really lucky I but there [TS]

  really early in the morning when it was [TS]

  surprisingly empty and they give you a [TS]

  ticket and I think you can go in like [TS]

  three or four of your choice with the [TS]

  ticket I had you choose one wants to go [TS]

  into that does sound pretty cool i have [TS]

  to admit that does sound pretty cool it [TS]

  is it is an amazing amazing place but [TS]

  the famous famous story of course is [TS]

  there in 1922 this Egyptologist called [TS]

  Howard Carter found a tomb that no one [TS]

  who knew was there because it was buried [TS]

  under rubble and it was really small and [TS]

  when they uncovered that the door the [TS]

  seal was still on and it was pretty much [TS]

  untouched still had all the stuff in it [TS]

  that was amazing and it really is what [TS]

  really brought Egyptology back into the [TS]

  public consciousness and they found this [TS]

  tomb of Tutankhamun a fair you know [TS]

  they've got his mommy and the famous [TS]

  mask and all the gold and all the [TS]

  treasures that were in there really [TS]

  famous story and you can go into that [TS]

  time and i went into and it was Ennis [TS]

  and the end of and the reason it's [TS]

  different from all the others which [TS]

  turns out to be quite important is that [TS]

  it's very very small it's just two rooms [TS]

  you can stand in basically and then to [TS]

  really really small the storage rooms [TS]

  off to the side of them so famous time [TS]

  tourist attraction [TS]

  world-famous treasures that have all [TS]

  over the world most of them are in Cairo [TS]

  although the mummy of tutankhamun [TS]

  himself is still in his time it's one of [TS]

  the few things that still in there out [TS]

  of respect for for him I guess [TS]

  well that's the state of play ok now the [TS]

  reason his terms very very small has [TS]

  always been quite well understood and [TS]

  that is he died very young he was like [TS]

  19 years old when he died and most fairy [TS]

  spent all their life building their [TS]

  tombs that's why they're all these [TS]

  elaborate tunnels and things in the [TS]

  Valley of the Kings that's what the [TS]

  pyramids are basically tombs that the [TS]

  Pharaoh spent all his life building for [TS]

  the day he died that because Tutankhamun [TS]

  died suddenly and young he had built [TS]

  these to him right so the belief has [TS]

  always been a used another term that was [TS]

  already there first probably for some [TS]

  lesser person you can read about the [TS]

  theories about how these people were [TS]

  losing like with janitor's closet for [TS]

  somebody else's to work i'll wear a [TS]

  beard [TS]

  we got various somewhere a bit more [TS]

  important than that anyway so it was [TS]

  quick and hasty and that's why his [TS]

  team's different toward the others and [TS]

  it's also because he was a quite [TS]

  insignificant king with his little time [TS]

  that's why I kind of got lost and [TS]

  forgotten and amazingly why you kept all [TS]

  the treasures [TS]

  so the news that has recently come out [TS]

  is this british egyptologist has been [TS]

  studying one of the walls which has all [TS]

  these nice paintings on it and he [TS]

  thought he saw the outline of a door [TS]

  there which somehow everyone seems to [TS]

  mist for the last nearly hundred years [TS]

  and there's now this theory that there [TS]

  were these that they refer the rooms and [TS]

  what these rooms are on our unknown [TS]

  could it be that there that this was a [TS]

  bigger term then they blocked off the [TS]

  second part of the term and then you [TS]

  know did Tutankhamun's little area and [TS]

  there's a whole other block bricked off [TS]

  to him deeper in or are these just other [TS]

  rooms with treasures in them or are [TS]

  these just boring rooms that were used [TS]

  by the embalmers no one knows and [TS]

  they're going in there with radars and [TS]

  the theory which are that was an [TS]

  absolute crackpot theory a couple of [TS]

  months ago and i even said to my wife [TS]

  have a breakfast I bet you anything that [TS]

  this is not true it seems to be [TS]

  gathering more and more momentum that [TS]

  there is more [TS]

  rooms beyond these walls in [TS]

  Tutankhamun's tomb [TS]

  now this raises interesting questions as [TS]

  well because if there are rooms there [TS]

  what do you do do you smash this amazing [TS]

  war with paintings on it that's [TS]

  world-famous in Tutankhamun's tomb to [TS]

  see what's behind do you risk damaging [TS]

  the risk damaging this most famous tomb [TS]

  in all the world to see what's behind [TS]

  and you know and they haven't got the [TS]

  best reputation in the world an agent [TS]

  for looking after their nice old stuff [TS]

  sometimes the Cairo Museum is [TS]

  unbelievable [TS]

  I can't believe how it's the seemingly [TS]

  visual they care for some amazing things [TS]

  in there and there's a famous story [TS]

  about Tutankhamun's mask itself that [TS]

  just came out the last couple of months [TS]

  where some work and knocked his chin off [TS]

  and then stuck it back on the superglue [TS]

  so they're not the sort of people that I [TS]

  would want banging around what was [TS]

  inside Tutankhamun's tomb so the two [TS]

  things i'm wondering here what do they [TS]

  do [TS]

  and secondly how have they mr. for so [TS]

  long [TS]

  this is like one of the most famous [TS]

  places in all the world even graze heard [TS]

  of tutankhamun's tomb shortly [TS]

  yeah yeah and and there's some doorway [TS]

  well bricked over doorway to a secret [TS]

  room that some guy just studying [TS]

  pictures has found if Indiana Jones and [TS]

  lora craft has anything it's that [TS]

  somewhere in that room is a switch to [TS]

  open that door [TS]

  they just need to look yeah pull forward [TS]

  the sarcophagi a little bit need to any [TS]

  depress on the cat's-eyes somewhere [TS]

  this is somewhere even though it's a [TS]

  thousand years old it is some clockwork [TS]

  that'll just have that door just [TS]

  recessed into the wall and slide over [TS]

  oh yeah how awesome is that going to be [TS]

  going to be like a scooby-doo episode [TS]

  it's just like some curtain that people [TS]

  can run through i'm with you on this one [TS]

  like that this seems astounding that [TS]

  anyone could miss it so astounding that [TS]

  I have a hard time believing its true [TS]

  like do you have a picture of this [TS]

  warlike is I i'm in my mind i am [TS]

  basically imagining like a brick wall on [TS]

  which you can see the thin outline of a [TS]

  door and people like oh no one ever [TS]

  noticed that [TS]

  q okay that's a good question i'm yet to [TS]

  see the picture that shows this door [TS]

  outline let me have a look there is [TS]

  skepticism about this it could all be it [TS]

  could you know what I love and I love [TS]

  how Google knows google always knows [TS]

  what you're looking for because i start [TS]

  typing in King Tut and it goes King [TS]

  tattoo secret door [TS]

  that's correct google you know exactly [TS]

  what i'm looking for at say the big the [TS]

  story that's causing all the excitement [TS]

  I should have mentioned it is the is the [TS]

  uber theory that's most exciting is that [TS]

  the tomb and there and there is reason [TS]

  this could be true is that it could be [TS]

  queen Nefertiti's tomb behind [TS]

  Tutankhamun's tomb and obviously she's [TS]

  one of the real glamour you know [TS]

  oh yeah you're in apps of Egyptology and [TS]

  finding her tone would be would be quite [TS]

  a find you know all the young Egyptians [TS]

  have a pinup of Queen Nefertiti on the [TS]

  wall [TS]

  yeah well she was this famously this [TS]

  great beauty wasn't she say sure I'll [TS]

  take your word for that there's this [TS]

  like a statue of her that's kept in [TS]

  Berlin that's very famous is this sort [TS]

  of beautiful one of the more famous [TS]

  pieces of each Egyptian relics i'm [TS]

  looking here i found a video that shows [TS]

  people standing in front of the wall [TS]

  where the door is [TS]

  yeah and there's this there is not what [TS]

  I was imagining and he then outline of a [TS]

  door that people don't notice in this [TS]

  tank no it's not I mean clearly been [TS]

  plastered over i mean like i said i went [TS]

  there like that picture looking at with [TS]

  his that psycho focused and I stood [TS]

  right there and and you missed it and i [TS]

  missed it so you know it can't be there [TS]

  but like the thought that I that I could [TS]

  have built that all that stuff could [TS]

  have been on the other side of that wall [TS]

  and I was standing right there genuinely [TS]

  excites me [TS]

  mm and like if they find another tomb i [TS]

  was saying if you ever short on time God [TS]

  read about value the Kings also go and [TS]

  read about Howard character and the [TS]

  discovery of tutankhamun's tomb it's [TS]

  such an exciting story and there's such [TS]

  amazing pictures from the time that it's [TS]

  one of those stories from history that [TS]

  sends chills down my spine about what it [TS]

  must have been like two of shine Shauna [TS]

  torch through those first holes that [TS]

  they were banging in the wall and say [TS]

  he famously saw this glinting of gold [TS]

  and someone said you could you say [TS]

  anything and he said yes wonderous [TS]

  things and then they all the stuff they [TS]

  pulled out of that I mean it was it must [TS]

  have been like you know this amazing [TS]

  Christmas the stuff they found in there [TS]

  and to think that could happen again in [TS]

  our lifetime genuinely excites me and [TS]

  will be such as it was such a boost for [TS]

  agent to after recent years i have to [TS]

  admit as much as I booty Egypt before [TS]

  i'm sitting here thinking could I [TS]

  imagine a better place for someone to [TS]

  find a secret door than an Egyptian tomb [TS]

  and I think the answer is no but if [TS]

  there is there is no better place that I [TS]

  want to hear the news [TS]

  secret door then on Egyptian to write [TS]

  that that's just it just worked [TS]

  perfectly [TS]

  yeah and the idea that this amazing that [TS]

  you know I'm sort of getting ahead of [TS]

  myself here but the idea that this [TS]

  amazing cache of treasures and tomb of [TS]

  Nefertiti could be the other side of [TS]

  could be you know a few feet the other [TS]

  side of a wall that probably millions of [TS]

  terrorists have been filing past for the [TS]

  last ex years is also quite quite an [TS]

  exciting thought so that i get excited [TS]

  I'm excited thinking about it it makes [TS]

  me want to go back to Egypt yeah you [TS]

  know you travel there soon and it is on [TS]

  weekend has been talked about for the [TS]

  last couple years [TS]

  Kuala yeah it's gonna be part of the [TS]

  year of fun i don't think it's gonna [TS]

  make it into the air fact that i was [TS]

  just to me there's just so many things [TS]

  to see gray you gotta hold a whole world [TS]

  of fun waiting for you in the year of [TS]

  fun if even a brand new Egyptian tomb [TS]

  can't make it on the list but if they [TS]

  find you two might go [TS]

  I think you I think you wouldn't mind [TS]

  going to Egypt there I i would need a [TS]

  good reason to go is there any always [TS]

  done we have to be dogging about your [TS]

  exciting and different things like that [TS]

  I'll see you don't know the national [TS]

  geographic channel you will tell you the [TS]

  other ones funding it now finding all [TS]

  the Raiders there yeah there you go [TS]

  perfect [TS]

  yeah but you're not seeing a and you [TS]

  don't know you don't know what it feels [TS]

  like to be in there only get eighty [TS]

  percent of the benefit for one percent [TS]

  of the hassle [TS]

  ok I just that I think I d % over States [TS]

  it look at you do get you to get some of [TS]

  you do get some of the benefit and i'm [TS]

  looking at a photo of the time [TS]

  I'm saying how about justified remember [TS]

  when I was standing at button but let me [TS]

  put it this way Brady even if even if [TS]

  let's say I get twenty percent of the [TS]

  benefit for one percent of the effort [TS]

  still seems pretty good yeah but that [TS]

  final ten percent is the best bit [TS]

  it's like it's like you're climbing like [TS]

  ninety-nine percent of the way man [TS]

  Everest you're saying but I'm not gonna [TS]

  step on the summit because that what [TS]

  time you have a bit and I'm like that [TS]

  last steps the one that matters even if [TS]

  there's anything that every movie taught [TS]

  me is that if hit your near the summit [TS]

  but not quite there yet [TS]

  don't go all the way I don't know [TS]

  although it's now that that is bit of a [TS]

  theme of that maybe the alcohol grant [TS]

  you that you should turn back [TS]

  that's it that's what that movie says [TS]

  life lets it turned back this episode of [TS]

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  supporting the show great i had a moment [TS]

  of joy followed by a moment of sadness [TS]

  the other day and this relates to [TS]

  cricket you know as you go through life [TS]

  like the dynamic of your friends changes [TS]

  and you work with new people and you [TS]

  make your people and you get married and [TS]

  people come and go from your life and [TS]

  this is a wonderful and it's also [TS]

  wonderful that all these people don't [TS]

  have the exact same interests as you [TS]

  mm but unfortunately for me that now [TS]

  means I've reached a situation for [TS]

  various reasons including my own [TS]

  retirement as a cricketer some years ago [TS]

  that I thought I'd now okay [TS]

  uh-huh that I now have quite a few [TS]

  cricket loving friends and that means [TS]

  when something amazing happens in the [TS]

  world of cricket [TS]

  I have no one to share it with I have no [TS]

  one to talk to haha my wife tries and [TS]

  shows a little bit of interest and we'll [TS]

  ask a couple questions but she can only [TS]

  handle so much because she doesn't like [TS]

  she doesn't like cricket right and i [TS]

  would love to talk all about the world [TS]

  t20 cricket world cup that has just [TS]

  finished god it was good i was a cricket [TS]

  world cup it was such a great tournament [TS]

  gray then I had the most extraordinary [TS]

  ending to any sport thing I've saying it [TS]

  was like Shakespearean drama it was [TS]

  amazing and I can't get enough of i'm [TS]

  still rewatching it and reading [TS]

  everything about it and reading all the [TS]

  fallout and then like I talk to someone [TS]

  like you I talk to probably more than [TS]

  anyone other than my wife and like what [TS]

  can i say to you did your team of [TS]

  cricketers win now they didn't even make [TS]

  it to the final australia and basically [TS]

  the strictest radians got knocked out [TS]

  quite early but there were so many games [TS]

  that all had so many amazing endings and [TS]

  like every game was quite thrilling and [TS]

  this form of cricketing [TS]

  just called twenty20 cricket is [TS]

  different to the normal cricket i like i [TS]

  like the really long boring ones that [TS]

  you can't believe last 45 days [TS]

  Lou but these 20 20 games are sort of [TS]

  fast and furious and they're all over in [TS]

  two or three hours and there's lots of [TS]

  crash bang wallop their more their more [TS]

  and more exciting more exciting for the [TS]

  other than on purest basically jetlife [TS]

  jazzed up cricket that tried to make it [TS]

  a bit more sexy with fireworks and more [TS]

  Smashing and bashing and I've been [TS]

  frowning upon this for a number of years [TS]

  now but this tournament turned me around [TS]

  because it was just so exciting and it [TS]

  was England against the west indies some [TS]

  people may not be aware of this but if [TS]

  there's one t1 if there's one thing in [TS]

  sport i love more than supporting [TS]

  Australia its supporting against england [TS]

  he has believed everything with you have [TS]

  mentioned that it's yeah and then I can [TS]

  totally understand the idea [TS]

  yeah they call it cause some friction in [TS]

  my house I was hoping the West Indies [TS]

  would win England didn't starve very [TS]

  well [TS]

  well [TS]

  and it looks like they're working on [TS]

  those together LOL just love back here [TS]

  just flat like an argument but I'm [TS]

  glaring I because i want i want you to [TS]

  understand the theater and there is a [TS]

  bit of there's a bit of hello Internet [TS]

  eNOS at the end maybe depends depends on [TS]

  your level of engagement you're gonna [TS]

  pick you know my blog yeah it's your [TS]

  fault [TS]

  everything's always about my level of [TS]

  engagement it is it is it is so England [TS]

  started badly they fought they fought [TS]

  back [TS]

  magnificently to the point where they [TS]

  had the game won they had the game [TS]

  stitched up [TS]

  it was it was the far all over of the [TS]

  game [TS]

  I know you don't know what an over is [TS]

  but anyway it was the final little set [TS]

  of balls to be bound at the end of the [TS]

  game and the West Indies data this [TS]

  impossible improbable number of runs to [TS]

  win it so it was all over and i'm sure [TS]

  all the English people were planning [TS]

  their speeches and what dance that we're [TS]

  going to do at the end when they want [TS]

  and I was already thinking about what an [TS]

  appropriate tweet would be for me to [TS]

  sort of congratulate England although i [TS]

  was seething inside that won this game [TS]

  and the guy that was sort of finishing [TS]

  the game at the end of the English [TS]

  guidance bowler who just had to finish [TS]

  the game often and take them to victory [TS]

  is this quite polarizing character is [TS]

  quite arrogant he's a new kind of bad [TS]

  boy here of english cricketer and he'd [TS]

  been talking all week about how he loves [TS]

  winning the game for England at the end [TS]

  and being this guy that comes along with [TS]

  the death of the game as they call it [TS]

  like a closer in baseball he loves [TS]

  coming out here like baseball closer [TS]

  yeah like a baseball closer look and so [TS]

  he was he was closing the game it was [TS]

  his job to close the game right and then [TS]

  the most extraordinary thing happened [TS]

  with this young West Indian who I'd [TS]

  never heard of before I don't even I [TS]

  think he's a teenager he did the [TS]

  equivalent of hitting a major league [TS]

  pitcher four home runs in four [TS]

  consecutive pictures he smashed this guy [TS]

  for four sixes in a row at the end of [TS]

  four sixes while yet a smashed him over [TS]

  the fence out of the ground four times [TS]

  in a row and single-handedly like won [TS]

  the game for the West Indies it was it [TS]

  was it was this remarkable finish and I [TS]

  was like I've never seen anything like [TS]

  it and I was just alone in a hotel room [TS]

  and then like but then five minutes [TS]

  later my wife did come back to the hotel [TS]

  room and I was like you're not going to [TS]

  believe what just happened [TS]

  it was the most amazing thing and I was [TS]

  trying to explain it and I was getting [TS]

  probably a similar response to what I'm [TS]

  getting from you but she kind of humid [TS]

  me and watch the replays as they showed [TS]

  over and over again [TS]

  mhm and then i just sat on my phone for [TS]

  hours just reading every single thing I [TS]

  could about and all the responses and [TS]

  then all the speeches afterwards got all [TS]

  controversial and everything that was [TS]

  all it was it was so much you're so much [TS]

  fun but the thing that I thought was [TS]

  very interesting was the scale of public [TS]

  failure that this bowl of this chap [TS]

  called Ben Stokes went through [TS]

  don't get me wrong he's a pretty good [TS]

  cricketer so this is the picture here [TS]

  he's called a bottle of he's like the [TS]

  picture okay he's the guy who just had [TS]

  to keep his cool not do anything stupid [TS]

  and win the game and then this other [TS]

  this other this other guy came and did [TS]

  something exceptional and and won the [TS]

  game for his team instead and this guy [TS]

  was just on his neighs on the field in [TS]

  tears and you know his friends were [TS]

  trying to console him a little and was [TS]

  literally crying on the field yeah only [TS]

  teared up you see the pictures if you [TS]

  use google search Ben Stokes I bet [TS]

  you're the first three pictures now him [TS]

  looking all teary this is going to [TS]

  follow him for the rest of his life the [TS]

  most extraordinary extraordin real shame [TS]

  yeah whatever what I remember you as the [TS]

  big cry-baby [TS]

  ya like like that and the next day like [TS]

  the headline on the back of one of the [TS]

  big British newspapers was Ben chokes [TS]

  you know it was like it was so he was [TS]

  getting everyone's kind of rallied [TS]

  around him now and like said you know [TS]

  it's a team game the team got into this [TS]

  position and you can't blame one person [TS]

  for a failure in a team sport and that [TS]

  is true and you know I agree with all [TS]

  those platitudes that people are rolling [TS]

  out but the thing is these death bowels [TS]

  these guys that come on at the end and [TS]

  make or break game like a closer in [TS]

  baseball which you seem to know what [TS]

  that is [TS]

  which mildly surprised me i don't know [TS]

  what i was humoring you breathe are you [TS]

  don't know what it claims you all right [TS]

  what do ya thing is these these people [TS]

  are allowed for their bravery references [TS]

  are so brave that he does this for the [TS]

  team but the only reason that you are [TS]

  described as brave is because if you [TS]

  fail you fail in front of a billion [TS]

  people and get humiliated like it's not [TS]

  brave if that if that's not the [TS]

  consequences [TS]

  so when when this does happen and then [TS]

  everyone piles in arguments is already [TS]

  choking you mapped up you should have [TS]

  done this you should have done that you [TS]

  lost the game for England like I think [TS]

  that has to happen i think that's I [TS]

  think that is to be expected and that's [TS]

  why he was brave because if he filed he [TS]

  was going to get this and all these [TS]

  people saying don't pick on don't pick [TS]

  on Ben Stokes you know he was brave to [TS]

  even bowel and you know what no one else [TS]

  was coming forward to do it so he's that [TS]

  he's braver even trying [TS]

  yeah he was brave but he's only break [TS]

  because this is what happens if everyone [TS]

  just said our daughter i might pat him [TS]

  on the back and said well maybe you know [TS]

  maybe next year then you're not brave as [TS]

  you're having this conversation but i'm [TS]

  thinking like how this is starting to [TS]

  fall into the world of like humble like [TS]

  we went to the word brave even mean it [TS]

  has so i just pulled up here and his [TS]

  brave adjective ready to face and endure [TS]

  danger or pain and I ok alright that [TS]

  works because if everybody gets together [TS]

  and agrees that we're all going to be [TS]

  nice to the final cricket ear who's [TS]

  pitching the last inning of the game [TS]

  yeah if we're all going to be nice to [TS]

  that guy then well it's not bring it all [TS]

  to be that guy right that's just we're [TS]

  living in a nice happy world without any [TS]

  consequences where you know everybody's [TS]

  just fine with everything you can only [TS]

  be brave if everybody's going to hate [TS]

  you for falling down in the last quarter [TS]

  of the game then then you can be brave [TS]

  Thank You great for humoring me and [TS]

  great with me [TS]

  did they pay the death cricket ears more [TS]

  money like as you get more money for [TS]

  this risk [TS]

  I don't like what I don't have sport [TS]

  quite works exactly that way but it [TS]

  you'll be doing i like it should [TS]

  it seems i don't see but it seems like a [TS]

  totally should he will be doing ok I [TS]

  don't think he'll need to start patreon [TS]

  anytime site that's that's not about [TS]

  it's not about its about his [TS]

  his relative risk and reward compared to [TS]

  the rest of his team [TS]

  yeah well he is one of the stoplights of [TS]

  the type so I'm sure he has been a pain [TS]

  cricketers different rates is it like [TS]

  yeah yeah and yeah yeah of course dr. [TS]

  oscar winner yes of course you do say [TS]

  cricketers just to want me update you do [TS]

  know that's not the word I'm sure that's [TS]

  a windup don't know what's the word [TS]

  that's a cricketer now I like cricket or [TS]

  better [TS]

  yeah I like cricket you're much better [TS]

  one of these days we're going to sit [TS]

  down with a few beers and watch your day [TS]

  of Test cricket and i'm going to talk [TS]

  you through all the nuances of that we [TS]

  will we will that has legitimately that [TS]

  has legitimately been on our to-do list [TS]

  for quite some time so here's my [TS]

  question for you though [TS]

  do you want to watch you die of test [TS]

  cricket which is the one where they all [TS]

  wear white and the game last five days [TS]

  and it's all very slow and technical or [TS]

  do you want to watch the crash bang [TS]

  wallop of twenty20 where they wear color [TS]

  and smash the ball over the fence all [TS]

  the time [TS]

  wait you they don't wear color in the [TS]

  other one is that one of the key [TS]

  distinguishing features [TS]

  yeah in in Test cricket both teams just [TS]

  wear or what huh [TS]

  and quite often the same color hats as [TS]

  well doux-doux both teams wear all white [TS]

  yes how do you tell them apart won tames [TS]

  the batting team and won tames the [TS]

  bowling tape so they're not both on the [TS]

  field at the same time running around [TS]

  well someone's running around someone [TS]

  runs back of our whatever i don't [TS]

  understand how he fits in reply feel [TS]

  like it might be in my mind like I was [TS]

  just it's baseball but somehow different [TS]

  and slow and I don't understand [TS]

  precisely what's going on [TS]

  you have much to learn you have much to [TS]

  their i know i feel i feel like you're a [TS]

  young apprentice about to be taken under [TS]

  my wing and sold in the ways of cricket [TS]

  if i'm going to actually go with you to [TS]

  a game of cricket it feels like we might [TS]

  as well do the long cricket game but [TS]

  with the asterisk of I make no promises [TS]

  about lasting more than one day [TS]

  recognize that fairy left but apparently [TS]

  I'm a little bit proud that you chose [TS]

  that one [TS]

  i'm also not surprised because i think i [TS]

  think the fast-paced game with all the [TS]

  excitement would be a bit much for you [TS]

  gentle disposition yeah the house is [TS]

  certainly the way you described it [TS]

  sounds like you have 10,000 things to [TS]

  explain as well so if the fast game is [TS]

  going really fast [TS]

  you know I might not be able to keep up [TS]

  might not be no about sometimes in quiet [TS]

  moments I think about like the fact we [TS]

  might do a cricket podcast one day and I [TS]

  think how would I start describing [TS]

  cricket how would I take someone who [TS]

  knows nothing about how the game works [TS]

  and it gets it really escalates quickly [TS]

  even just in my head like you and like I [TS]

  haven't even started and i have haha [TS]

  what about this and eventually i just [TS]

  have to a bad to that in my head so I [TS]

  don't know how it's going to work for [TS]

  real it's gonna be one Tadius podcast [TS]

  this is like so many projects that were [TS]

  so many things that you try to explain [TS]

  where you realize they're just [TS]

  completely interconnected like I can [TS]

  easily imagine that in in a in a game [TS]

  like cricket or any kind of sporting [TS]

  game [TS]

  the reason that everyone is doing [TS]

  everything has 10 reasons so it's hard [TS]

  to know where to start with whatever is [TS]

  occurring but someday Brady we will do [TS]

  that cricket earring podcast we came [TS]

  close that one time you got tickets for [TS]

  everyone so i can't remember why I [TS]

  didn't end up showing up but we will do [TS]

  it at some point we will not thank you [TS]

  for that guy you you you took on the the [TS]

  wife row admirably there well I talked [TS]

  about cricket for Taylor I i wished i [TS]

  had the ability to ask more questions to [TS]

  humor you but i do not i'm i'm very glad [TS]

  that your cricket world cup game was [TS]

  super exciting reading it was a was [TS]

  amazing [TS]

  commiserations England on that [TS]

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  show so you had a thing that you want to [TS]

  discuss Brady I mean this seems like [TS]

  it's something that's more any your [TS]

  wheelhouse than mine in some ways but it [TS]

  was brought to my attention because of [TS]

  an article that was written by an old [TS]

  friend of mine actually for a throw a [TS]

  website or a newspaper in Vietnam of all [TS]

  places where he lives and others in [TS]

  Vietnam [TS]

  yeah yeah that's why all the people who [TS]

  are quoted in the article Vietnam based [TS]

  but he wrote an article and we we won't [TS]

  go into it much data i will put a link [TS]

  in the show notes but basically the main [TS]

  thrust of the article is about spec [TS]

  working should people work for free [TS]

  hmm and this is a this is an issue that [TS]

  is of interest both of us I guess [TS]

  yes this has been our topic list for [TS]

  quite awhile in in one way or another [TS]

  yeah because i think if you work in in [TS]

  any kind of creative field at all this [TS]

  this idea of working for free is a thing [TS]

  that is unavoidable in one form or [TS]

  another like it its it's going to come [TS]

  and occasionally arguments about it [TS]

  erupts on the internet and in other [TS]

  places [TS]

  mm so you your your friends article let [TS]

  me share them it let me shout out his [TS]

  name [TS]

  yeah Johnny Aspen how you doing mate [TS]

  because you know what [TS]

  hey I saw the article he wrote just now [TS]

  by Facebook and I i actually messaged [TS]

  him and said I really enjoyed your [TS]

  article job good stuff and then he [TS]

  misses me I'd spoken to him for about [TS]

  three or four years and he messaged me [TS]

  back and said that's great timing i was [TS]

  just listening to your podcast and I [TS]

  didn't even listen to the podcast so [TS]

  share that job if you're listening to [TS]

  their to the podcast [TS]

  hi Jon you're at him your tip so anyway [TS]

  the thing that got John writing the [TS]

  article originally was a video that's [TS]

  been doing the rounds about not doing [TS]

  spec work i think it was made by an [TS]

  advertising company [TS]

  mm and the underlying message of this [TS]

  video supposedly is you know don't work [TS]

  for free [TS]

  other people to work for free why should [TS]

  you just about two million views right [TS]

  now so it's been that has been is widely [TS]

  widely viewed video for for those who [TS]

  are perhaps unaware that this thing that [TS]

  that some companies do like so many they [TS]

  talk about spec work it is not uncommon [TS]

  for large companies to ask creative [TS]

  workers to produce work for literally [TS]

  nothing on the promise of maybe getting [TS]

  future work so speculative yeah it is it [TS]

  is speculative warcraft that's what the [TS]

  speck is short for so like for example [TS]

  if if you're making a video you can ask [TS]

  for spec work for the music from people [TS]

  and say like oh just score this video [TS]

  and if I like the work that you've done [TS]

  maybe i'll hire you in the future right [TS]

  and you would ask several people [TS]

  basically to do this kind of thing and [TS]

  there and there are I think somewhat [TS]

  controversially some websites that are [TS]

  built on this whole platform so probably [TS]

  the biggest one in this field is [TS]

  99designs so 99designs is an example of [TS]

  this kind of thing where like let's say [TS]

  for let's say just throwing an idea here [TS]

  Brady let's say you were starting a new [TS]

  YouTube channel unlikely but let's [TS]

  imagine that that is that what happens [TS]

  to it happens from time to time happens [TS]

  from time to time [TS]

  yeah and you wanted to create a new logo [TS]

  for that channel [TS]

  ok you could go to 99designs and their [TS]

  other websites like this but me and [TS]

  basically say hey I'm looking for a logo [TS]

  and a whole bunch of people on the [TS]

  website are then competing to make logos [TS]

  for you and that this is a spec work so [TS]

  you might get back like a hundred [TS]

  different logos and then you're [TS]

  selecting of all of those people one of [TS]

  them to actually pay and to use the logo [TS]

  so this is another kind of version of [TS]

  how spec work world works in the [TS]

  creative field of like do a thing [TS]

  maybe we will pay you but maybe we won't [TS]

  because we're just going to select [TS]

  somebody else in stomach [TS]

  these are sort of Jesus it's a subtle [TS]

  difference but there are two different [TS]

  models going on here on there one is do [TS]

  the work for free and maybe i'll give [TS]

  the other work one day and the other one [TS]

  is get a whole bunch of people to do the [TS]

  work for free and then pay the winner [TS]

  right i think they're two different [TS]

  things going on there and I think they [TS]

  should be treated differently anciently [TS]

  they're different i don't know in my in [TS]

  my mind there just I feel like they're [TS]

  two sides of the same coin but in both [TS]

  cases you is a creative person are [TS]

  rolling the dice on will there or will [TS]

  there not be money [TS]

  yeah but in one case your work never [TS]

  sees the light of day and in the other [TS]

  case it does see the light of day and [TS]

  you get money for it so i don't know i [TS]

  think of a bit different I think it's [TS]

  like one of those like a job interview [TS]

  isn't it like and if you don't get the [TS]

  job you don't get the job like if I [TS]

  spent three weeks preparing for a job [TS]

  interview and I don't get that job then [TS]

  I can't say to the person well give me [TS]

  three weeks of pay for the time i spent [TS]

  preparing for the job so I guess [TS]

  but what's the difference between sort [TS]

  of a job interview and trying to show [TS]

  someone you're good enough and just [TS]

  being just doing work that gets used to [TS]

  not being paid well the like this is [TS]

  this is where this whole thing gets [TS]

  super complicated really yeah right [TS]

  because you start trying to think about [TS]

  it in terms of job interviews and I [TS]

  think this is part of the reason why [TS]

  bring up this video in particular as a [TS]

  thing that we want to discuss in in the [TS]

  context of doing free work is this is an [TS]

  example of trying to think about things [TS]

  in in terms of analogies and and and [TS]

  what I think is occurring here is like [TS]

  there's there is something about [TS]

  creative work that is different from [TS]

  many other kinds of work and if you have [TS]

  you had to think about it be like if I [TS]

  was asked me what list some things that [TS]

  you think are different about creative [TS]

  work than sort of standard work what [TS]

  would you put on that list creative work [TS]

  doesn't require qualifications sometimes [TS]

  whereas some types of other work that [TS]

  you don't associate spec work to like a [TS]

  doctor so perfect i think that is that [TS]

  that's one of the things that would [TS]

  definitely lists as I'm thinking [TS]

  everything that makes it different [TS]

  there's no qualifications required you [TS]

  know nobody cares if you went to art [TS]

  school they care if you can paint [TS]

  whereas i do care if my doctor went to [TS]

  medical school [TS]

  quite often and again again there are [TS]

  exceptions to this as well quite often I [TS]

  say she ate a physical item with a non [TS]

  creative work like someone giving you a [TS]

  screwdriver as opposed to someone [TS]

  designing a logo and i know some [TS]

  creative work as a physical and but i [TS]

  agree tons of creative work i think we [TS]

  can fairly say the overwhelming majority [TS]

  of creative work in the modern world is [TS]

  non-tangible right especially for stuff [TS]

  that we're talking about with spec work [TS]

  like in in this case like people are [TS]

  producing music people are producing [TS]

  artwork people are producing writing [TS]

  they are not producing screwdrivers they [TS]

  are not producing dining room furniture [TS]

  sets i like that the those are different [TS]

  things that are occurring [TS]

  there's one other thing that I'm [TS]

  thinking of which makes creative work [TS]

  different from other work which is that [TS]

  times of people want to do it runs of [TS]

  people wants to work in creative fields [TS]

  yeah if you did carving up broad sectors [TS]

  of the economy and you say like service [TS]

  work in a white collar work creative [TS]

  working like these broad broad swaths of [TS]

  the of the working world i think there [TS]

  is no part where supply and demand or [TS]

  more mismatched right like the number of [TS]

  people who would love to be poets [TS]

  professionally is large and the number [TS]

  of people who can be professional poets [TS]

  is like to write like this is this just [TS]

  a huge this match with that I heard you [TS]

  make a little sound do you think they're [TS]

  more than 24 friend I I ya know i'm [TS]

  trying to think of the two like I was [TS]

  getting ok i call Maya Angelou and now [TS]

  you name one other thing that has the [TS]

  power lori at the moment in the UK [TS]

  I hope it's not the one you just named [TS]

  there you go right yeah i think these [TS]

  factors together tell you something [TS]

  about why is it that spec work can even [TS]

  exist in the first place [TS]

  why is there a sector of the economy [TS]

  where companies can say do work for us [TS]

  on the promise of no money and people do [TS]

  it [TS]

  yeah i think i think this is one of the [TS]

  keys you don't have physical [TS]

  manufacturing costs there are no [TS]

  qualifications because your work is the [TS]

  qualification itself and there is also a [TS]

  huge number of people who want to work [TS]

  in this field I think those three things [TS]

  combined are the reason that spec work [TS]

  can exist [TS]

  I'm not saying that's an argument for [TS]

  why it should exist or if it is good or [TS]

  bad [TS]

  we're simply saying like why can this [TS]

  exists because i think if you had a [TS]

  situation where something like say [TS]

  McDonald said we would just love people [TS]

  to come in and just work for us for free [TS]

  no one's gonna do that she's not gonna [TS]

  happen but you can be a company and say [TS]

  create artwork for us or write for us or [TS]

  do any of this kind of stuff and people [TS]

  will do it for free on the promise of [TS]

  maybe money or even just the promise of [TS]

  exposure for the promise of building a [TS]

  resume at all like that's why this can [TS]

  happen in a in a way that it just [TS]

  doesn't happen to such a large extent in [TS]

  other sectors of the economy i agree [TS]

  with you go so so the million-dollar [TS]

  question then is should exist is a good [TS]

  or bad I mean you've you've sat on the [TS]

  fence and just laid out the the current [TS]

  climate there are some people i mean [TS]

  there are lots of people who do it [TS]

  there are lots of people who ask for it [TS]

  to be done there are people who campaign [TS]

  against and who think it's this [TS]

  insidious practice where do you see on [TS]

  this spectrum we watch this video before [TS]

  the same respect video it kind of rubbed [TS]

  me the wrong way [TS]

  so what's occurring in this video is [TS]

  there's a guy who's going around and [TS]

  he's asking a bunch of people to do work [TS]

  for him for free people in non-creative [TS]

  jobs well that's exactly it right that [TS]

  Yankee so he goes into a restaurant and [TS]

  he's asking for a free breakfast he goes [TS]

  to a personal trainer and he's saying oh [TS]

  we don't train me for free for a month [TS]

  and maybe i'll use you as my trainer in [TS]

  the future he goes around to a whole [TS]

  bunch of different people that's like [TS]

  after a picture framer yeah that's right [TS]

  doctor for my coffee shop [TS]

  yeah yeah he's asking for all of these [TS]

  things for free on spec work the video [TS]

  noisey undone to level it annoys me [TS]

  because 1i think it is using the [TS]

  standard Brady tactic of a misapplied [TS]

  analogy right then like they are [TS]

  intentionally selecting careers for [TS]

  which it is insane to imagine [TS]

  expect work could possibly exist is not [TS]

  going to occur because the economic [TS]

  situation just look like the guy's not [TS]

  gonna give you a free breakfast because [TS]

  it doesn't just pasta in his time to [TS]

  make the breakfast it cost him materials [TS]

  to make the breakfast right it's just [TS]

  it's just not comparable [TS]

  this is that and and he's not going to [TS]

  land a hundred-thousand-dollar breakfast [TS]

  contract the next day because he made [TS]

  you one good breakfast right exactly [TS]

  like the upside for him is that maybe [TS]

  you get one breakfast a week in the [TS]

  future it's like there's no upside and [TS]

  guarantee get a failure right [TS]

  the second thing that bothers me and I [TS]

  think this is where the question about [TS]

  working for free gets complicated fast [TS]

  is that he is going to people who [TS]

  already have profitable businesses [TS]

  yeah like that is the assumption here [TS]

  right that he is going to someone who [TS]

  works all day as a picture framer who [TS]

  works all day in a restaurant in a [TS]

  restaurant that exists so its profitable [TS]

  like he's going to this gym that exists [TS]

  that is presumably already profitable [TS]

  and so I think not only is it a [TS]

  misapplied analogy but it's also missing [TS]

  a fundamental difference in the creative [TS]

  world about like established [TS]

  professionals or new people in the in [TS]

  the world and so like it's wrong it's [TS]

  wrong in its argument in every way that [TS]

  it possibly can be [TS]

  now I think you again you can build an [TS]

  argument against spec work but this is [TS]

  like the most disingenuous way to [TS]

  possibly try to do that [TS]

  yeah and he gets an advertising company [TS]

  that made this ad and you can and [TS]

  they're the one group are looking at [TS]

  spec were completely differently i'll [TS]

  tell you what bothers me about the ad as [TS]

  well [TS]

  probably the one occupation that didn't [TS]

  sit right with me was the the fitness [TS]

  instructor because he's saying give me a [TS]

  free fitness lesson and if I like her [TS]

  out do some more and the fitness [TS]

  instructors like no way man that's not [TS]

  how I work [TS]

  the funny thing is that is how fitness [TS]

  instructors work and they all the time [TS]

  to free lessons for people in the hope [TS]

  of getting a business yet like and most [TS]

  gyms you can go and do like a free half [TS]

  hour session with the instructor to see [TS]

  if you like them and my gym actually has [TS]

  a mandatory free Fitness instruction as [TS]

  part of becoming [TS]

  Jim yeah like you can't you can't join [TS]

  the gym unless you give us an [TS]

  opportunity to freely pitch our services [TS]

  to you [TS]

  yeah and it was the one that didn't sit [TS]

  right in like the whole the occupations [TS]

  that were showcasing as well because [TS]

  sort of being a fitness instructor is a [TS]

  little bit more like a creative [TS]

  occupation then you know making [TS]

  breakfast probably nonsense to all the [TS]

  brilliant cooks out there but it was the [TS]

  one that seemed a bit more like it [TS]

  didn't belong and funnily enough it's [TS]

  also the one that doesn't fit with my [TS]

  experience of reality i have had afraid [TS]

  fitness and I've never had a free coffee [TS]

  on spec but here's what I want people to [TS]

  think about when they think about [TS]

  working for free because this is also a [TS]

  thing that i have been on multiple sides [TS]

  of in some of my my previous career that [TS]

  I attempted to do I did work for free [TS]

  I'm in a position now where people often [TS]

  ask me to do work for free I i have been [TS]

  on both sides of this and I'll use a use [TS]

  an example like from the photography [TS]

  world where this is an argument that [TS]

  comes up all the time about should [TS]

  people who are starting their career [TS]

  like in photography should they do work [TS]

  for free and she's like should you do a [TS]

  wedding for free or should you charge [TS]

  right out of the gate and the thing that [TS]

  I can never help but notice is that in [TS]

  in this this kind of argument that [TS]

  occurs people who are established [TS]

  professionals are the ones who always [TS]

  are pushing for you shouldn't do work [TS]

  for free [TS]

  yeah in the same way that this [TS]

  advertising company has put together an [TS]

  advertising campaign saying don't do [TS]

  spec work don't create your music and [TS]

  don't create your graphics and we're [TS]

  free and the thing is like I feel like I [TS]

  can't help but notice that's super [TS]

  self-interested like a dear listener can [TS]

  you imagine if i made a video saying [TS]

  don't make your videos for free only [TS]

  make your videos when you charge for [TS]

  them like when when you have a sponsor [TS]

  at the end who is going to pay for them [TS]

  it's like [TS]

  do you think there might be a reason why [TS]

  I would not want people to to just make [TS]

  videos for free is like of course [TS]

  because it's it's a way of reducing [TS]

  competition right if you are the [TS]

  established professional would you don't [TS]

  want is a bunch of people creating free [TS]

  work right like yes it's it's pulling [TS]

  down the market average and so I just I [TS]

  think that for people getting started on [TS]

  their careers in like it this is the key [TS]

  thing for people getting started [TS]

  free like your huge advantage like this [TS]

  is the one thing that you have going for [TS]

  you and yes i spec work totally sucks in [TS]

  a lot of ways like are you going to put [TS]

  in a bunch of hours and maybe not get [TS]

  paid for stuff [TS]

  yes and that totally sucks right I get [TS]

  that is sort of awful but it is also [TS]

  your competitive advantage [TS]

  this is this is just how things go like [TS]

  I even remember when I was qualified as [TS]

  it as a teacher and looking for a job [TS]

  one of the things that that I I heard [TS]

  from my advisers they were pointing out [TS]

  like yet you're not an established [TS]

  teacher but that is actually your [TS]

  advantage because you're super cheap to [TS]

  school like schools will be happy to [TS]

  bring on a new cheap teacher because it [TS]

  costs them weigh less than bring on old [TS]

  established teacher like the spec work [TS]

  thing is just a more extreme version of [TS]

  that like if you are working in a [TS]

  creative field you can do something for [TS]

  free which is totally a version of like [TS]

  getting your foot in the door into a [TS]

  field like starting to build up your own [TS]

  professional reputation so gray III [TS]

  agree with you and I thought the same [TS]

  thing about all the people who seem to [TS]

  be the most vehement in their statements [TS]

  about being anti spec work are people I [TS]

  would love to put a lie detector or get [TS]

  a time machine and have a look what they [TS]

  did when they were starting out because [TS]

  I bet most of them did it [TS]

  yeah exactly exactly but there are a few [TS]

  questions then spring tomorrow [TS]

  the first one is when do you make the [TS]

  switch from being someone who's making [TS]

  the sacrifice and doing it for free or [TS]

  doing things on the shape to try and get [TS]

  that start to being someone who says no [TS]

  you know I'm worth more than that now [TS]

  and I should be paid accordingly how [TS]

  does how does that switch happen [TS]

  my feeling on this is there is a [TS]

  supernatural switching point which is [TS]

  that when you start having more work to [TS]

  do then you have time to do it [TS]

  hmm that to me seems like the most [TS]

  obvious point at which you can [TS]

  legitimately start charging money i [TS]

  actually think that you could probably [TS]

  start charging money before then because [TS]

  if you're getting a bunch of work that [TS]

  is that is like a signal from the world [TS]

  that you are producing something that [TS]

  other people value again like just [TS]

  speaking in super broad terms about [TS]

  creative fields here give people keep [TS]

  coming back or if your people are [TS]

  accepting your spec work on a regular [TS]

  basis that is a signal to you that [TS]

  you're doing a thing that is good which [TS]

  is an indication that you can have [TS]

  prices like you can start raising prices [TS]

  but without a doubt when you start [TS]

  running out of time when so many people [TS]

  want you to do stuff that whatever [TS]

  amount of time you have in a week to do [TS]

  work on the side or to do spec work like [TS]

  one that's running out then you should [TS]

  totally charge more like this is how [TS]

  economics work like when the supply [TS]

  starts getting constrained like you [TS]

  should raise the price and in this case [TS]

  the supply is your available hours to do [TS]

  things when that supply starts getting [TS]

  limited then the price should go up the [TS]

  other question is and this is I'd like [TS]

  to hear some words of reassurance or [TS]

  scaremongering whichever it whichever is [TS]

  necessary now for the people who are [TS]

  sort of sitting higher in the tray and [TS]

  they're swimming and Manning and things [TS]

  are going really well for them in the [TS]

  creative world I guess their fear fear [TS]

  is these swarms of people below who are [TS]

  willing to work for free [TS]

  I'm going to topple them from their [TS]

  perch that's the fear isn't it that's [TS]

  why they're making lucknow suspect [TS]

  campaigns and things like that it's not [TS]

  because they care about the little [TS]

  people i think it's because they care [TS]

  about their position on the perch [TS]

  if you're on a perch and you're making a [TS]

  good living from creative work why [TS]

  should you not be scared of all the spec [TS]

  workers taking all your work away but [TS]

  you should be scared that you should be [TS]

  terrified [TS]

  yeah this goes back to the popularity [TS]

  thing from before where if a lot of [TS]

  people want to do something and also a [TS]

  lot of people are able to do with thing [TS]

  you should expect like the average price [TS]

  of that thing to go down yet so we live [TS]

  in a world where a large part of the [TS]

  population ends up having a fair amount [TS]

  of leisure time in which they can do [TS]

  creative work like that that's a thing [TS]

  that exists in the world now that didn't [TS]

  exist so much long time ago for a large [TS]

  portion of the population [TS]

  I don't think it is unreasonable to be [TS]

  worried about people doing free work in [TS]

  your field because again like the very [TS]

  fact that there are people who are [TS]

  willing to do the thing for free like [TS]

  that like that is it is a an indication [TS]

  to you like there are tons of people who [TS]

  want to get into that field and all [TS]

  right just as being the best at [TS]

  something not count because I mean I [TS]

  would have happily play cricket for [TS]

  Australia for free right but the guys [TS]

  who are playing cricket australia and a [TS]

  ton of money and I'm not getting [TS]

  anything coast right you're not getting [TS]

  any phone calls but that that's [TS]

  precisely where i was going with this is [TS]

  what we are indirectly describing here [TS]

  is superstar economies a field that a [TS]

  lot of people want to go into tends to [TS]

  have this this distribution where [TS]

  there's a small number of people who are [TS]

  doing very well and there's a ton of [TS]

  people who want to get into that field [TS]

  and like the average price of their [TS]

  earnings is very low [TS]

  Hollywood is of course the perfect [TS]

  example of this ya la the city that [TS]

  crushes people dream everyday boatloads [TS]

  of people land in la like dying to to [TS]

  work in the movie industry and so I'm [TS]

  sure like and all of their dreams are [TS]

  just crushed to a first approximation [TS]

  but like you end you end [TS]

  up with like this superstar effect where [TS]

  some people through hard work and also [TS]

  through luck end up becoming like the [TS]

  focus of a large number of people's [TS]

  attention this is what the art world is [TS]

  in in all forms like this is what the [TS]

  music industry is this is what all of [TS]

  these fields are like almost by [TS]

  definition an area of of the economy [TS]

  where tons of people want to work is [TS]

  also an area of the economy that can't [TS]

  help but create like this superstar [TS]

  effect and I think even to a lesser [TS]

  extent you can see it in places like the [TS]

  advertising industry that there are [TS]

  advertising companies that are extremely [TS]

  well known in their field and the and [TS]

  they become like the companies that [TS]

  everybody wants to work with like this [TS]

  is this is just what happens i guess the [TS]

  real the real lesson here is is like [TS]

  just like Hollywood these kind of fields [TS]

  they're not they're not feel that you [TS]

  can like wholeheartedly recommend that [TS]

  people should go into it's very hard to [TS]

  recommend that anyone become an actor or [TS]

  actress like you know what is probably [TS]

  going to be a bad idea [TS]

  like that's probably not going to work [TS]

  out for you but you can't convince [TS]

  people to not do it because these fields [TS]

  are very attractive which leads to this [TS]

  whole phenomenon in the first place your [TS]

  advice to people who want to break into [TS]

  sort of creative fields and have this [TS]

  conundrum before them of do i do spec [TS]

  work your advice is do it [TS]

  yeah do it get your foot in the door get [TS]

  yourself out there and then if you're [TS]

  good enough hopefully you'll be so much [TS]

  in demand that eventually you will be [TS]

  able to command higher prices [TS]

  yeah I would agree with that [TS]

  wholeheartedly ya know my my overall [TS]

  advice like if I'm speaking to generic [TS]

  high school kid who's thinking about [TS]

  careers and I don't know anything about [TS]

  the person i would advise like don't go [TS]

  into this field right this is probably a [TS]

  bad idea because you'll have to expect [TS]

  work like he wanted you want to go into [TS]

  creative field like okay yeah great [TS]

  you and everybody else like tell me [TS]

  about your future career as a as a [TS]

  professional cricket ear right like lots [TS]

  of people want to do this you know it's [TS]

  going to be a horrible grind in the [TS]

  beginning to try to try to get [TS]

  get your way to the top like so it's [TS]

  probably better yet but if you are going [TS]

  to get go into this field don't fall for [TS]

  this sweet siren song that the [TS]

  established professionals will tell you [TS]

  like don't work for free man that's a [TS]

  terrible your work should be respected [TS]

  like they're singing a song that you [TS]

  want to hear [TS]

  don't fall for it because it's just a [TS]

  trap look at the people who are singing [TS]

  that song and don't listen free is your [TS]

  huge advantage and I think I guess the [TS]

  final thing that I would say is that you [TS]

  should probably pay close attention to [TS]

  whether or not people are using your [TS]

  work like don't waste years and years of [TS]

  your life doing spec work for free [TS]

  this should be a thing that you say like [TS]

  okay I'm gonna try to do i'm gonna try [TS]

  to break into field x and i'm going to [TS]

  define some amount of time that i'm [TS]

  going to spend on it and see if people [TS]

  are interested in the work that i'm [TS]

  doing and if they're not then I'm going [TS]

  to I'm going to move on right because [TS]

  it's just everywhere you look it's just [TS]

  a graveyard of people who have failed [TS]

  trying to do this exact same thing great [TS]

  you you talk about the establishment [TS]

  having this siren syrupy song of saying [TS]

  come on don't do this trick works you [TS]

  know you you deserve more the thin end [TS]

  of the wedge and I hear that and I [TS]

  understand it but don't we also hear [TS]

  about the establishment and the big [TS]

  organizations doing the opposite and [TS]

  having another siren song where they say [TS]

  come on do some work for us for free you [TS]

  get good exposure this will be good for [TS]

  your career later you might learn some [TS]

  contracts because of her and isn't that [TS]

  just another form of exploitation of [TS]

  people you're talking about two [TS]

  different groups here the advertising [TS]

  agency doesn't want creative [TS]

  professionals doing doing the spec work [TS]

  for free but companies that need ads [TS]

  certainly will ask for free ads so it's [TS]

  like your fellow creators are singing [TS]

  one siren some tea and the people who [TS]

  want the creations are singing another [TS]

  siren song yes exactly [TS]

  apparently the the creator's who have [TS]

  been successful are the ones who are [TS]

  trying to say like don't work for free [TS]

  don't drop the prices down that's what [TS]

  you end up hearing I have done things on [TS]

  spec definitely mhm i also have done [TS]

  things for less than what I think [TS]

  they're worth voluntarily I remember the [TS]

  early days of periodic videos working [TS]

  insane hours like 20 hours a day working [TS]

  or not making all these films about the [TS]

  periodic table that no one was watching [TS]

  just thinking if I do this and make all [TS]

  of these videos i think someone will [TS]

  notice and all and all I was being paid [TS]

  at the time but that you know it was it [TS]

  was quite small grad so I consider that [TS]

  semi spec work and and and that spec [TS]

  work work it paid off me those three or [TS]

  four weeks i remember not sleeping and [TS]

  just making all these videos and putting [TS]

  them on youtube at the end of those few [TS]

  weeks i did get a bit of luck and i got [TS]

  noticed that led to it led to more work [TS]

  so my experience of spec work was it was [TS]

  the making of me and I don't know [TS]

  whether you consider your Britain video [TS]

  to be spic work or not but it was [TS]

  certainly the making of you as well and [TS]

  you did that afraid probably not knowing [TS]

  if anyone would ever watch it [TS]

  yeah that's what that's the whole [TS]

  YouTube economy is based on like you [TS]

  know oh I mean I guess I guess it's a [TS]

  bit different now because you can start [TS]

  making money off of the advertisements [TS]

  right from the start but again it's it's [TS]

  such a small amount of like no one's [TS]

  making any youtube videos at the very [TS]

  beginning that have a high return on [TS]

  investment in terms of your time [TS]

  right like you're not it's just it's [TS]

  just not happening so you're basically [TS]

  doing were kind of for free trying to [TS]

  build an audience and and build a future [TS]

  career on youtube from talking to you [TS]

  about this it seems that you have and [TS]

  I'm not surprised by this is so it's one [TS]

  of your defining qualities you seem to [TS]

  have tremendous faith in market forces [TS]

  and the economy and things sorting [TS]

  everything out like there's there's high [TS]

  demand is low demand that drives costs [TS]

  up and down etc [TS]

  do you not think there could be any [TS]

  protections in place to stop people [TS]

  being exploited should we just let the [TS]

  forces take care of her or wood should [TS]

  there be something to protect people [TS]

  from being exploited by spec work if [TS]

  this glut of people who are right for [TS]

  the picking [TS]

  should they let should we let people [TS]

  pick them [TS]

  ok out always always i disagree with [TS]

  your phrasing of things Brady it that's [TS]

  another of your defining qualities that [TS]

  was one of your defining qualities that [TS]

  you the to intentionally provocatively I [TS]

  think misrepresents what it is that I'm [TS]

  saying never [TS]

  it's not that i have want to be clear [TS]

  here is not that I have tremendous faith [TS]

  in markets i I've you markets almost [TS]

  like a natural phenomenon they are a [TS]

  byproduct of the way our monkey brains [TS]

  interact with the universe like it's [TS]

  just like a part of nature almost that [TS]

  humans compete in various ways for [TS]

  limited resources [TS]

  I just acknowledge that this is a thing [TS]

  that exists in the world i am not a [TS]

  markets are a great solution for [TS]

  absolutely everything guy I think [TS]

  sometimes markets are good solutions and [TS]

  sometimes you need counter market [TS]

  solutions [TS]

  it depends on what it is you're trying [TS]

  to achieve what you're trying to do I [TS]

  just think there are many cases where [TS]

  people try to futilely fight against [TS]

  markets and and this whole notion of [TS]

  like don't do spec work is precisely one [TS]

  of these moments like this there's [TS]

  nothing that you can do to fight against [TS]

  this you don't think that's a counter [TS]

  market solution to prevent spec work [TS]

  becoming too widespread I don't think [TS]

  there's much that you could practically [TS]

  do to stop it [TS]

  like I think you think you could try to [TS]

  do things like make make websites like [TS]

  99 designs are similar things that you [TS]

  could try to write laws to make those [TS]

  things illegal but i still think you're [TS]

  only ever going to be able to nail down [TS]

  the most obvious cases of what's [TS]

  happening [TS]

  I think it'll just end up becoming a [TS]

  much more informal process if if you try [TS]

  to get rid of it [TS]

  because I just think like that that tide [TS]

  of tons of people want to break into a [TS]

  cool field and will be willing to do [TS]

  lots of work at at little or no cost to [TS]

  do it [TS]

  i I just don't think that you can fight [TS]

  that I think like that will find a way [TS]

  one way or another into you know people [TS]

  just offering up their work for the [TS]

  possibility of payment in the future i [TS]

  think is very little that you could [TS]

  possibly do to stop it [TS]

  it is interesting because sometimes it [TS]

  feels like certainly a lot of creative [TS]

  and artistic people feel like they live [TS]

  in a society where art is not valued and [TS]

  then we have the situation where you're [TS]

  saying you know everyone wants to be an [TS]

  artist so of course you can't demand [TS]

  higher prices for your work that just [TS]

  sort of reinforces this perception that [TS]

  some people have that artisan isn't [TS]

  valued enough and they sort of [TS]

  strengthens their position doesn't make [TS]

  some say no my art is valuable and you [TS]

  should be paying top dollar for don't [TS]

  treat us like second-class citizens [TS]

  yeah but it is invaluable alright like [TS]

  in and and that's also why the art world [TS]

  has the same kind of superstar effect [TS]

  and I almost by definition you know [TS]

  paintings are are valuable because a [TS]

  bunch of monkeys have agreed that that [TS]

  painting is valuable right that there's [TS]

  nothing there's nothing intrinsic in it [TS]

  in the same way that like a liver [TS]

  transplant is an intrinsically valuable [TS]

  service that a professional provides [TS]

  right and Monet is not the same thing a [TS]

  Monet is like an artificial value you [TS]

  get a lot of liver transplants from my [TS]

  right you can get a lot of liver [TS]

  transplants for monday as long as the [TS]

  monkeys all agree that the Monet is [TS]

  worth a whole bunch of liver transplants [TS]

  right but it's like the the painting [TS]

  doesn't do anything directly for you [TS]

  right it's not valuable in in this in [TS]

  this direct way like art art is not [TS]

  valuable but ends up in this the same [TS]

  kind of superstar fact i think it an [TS]

  interesting just slightly shift i think [TS]

  an interesting other field that that has [TS]

  this phenomenon a little bit is actually [TS]

  the thing that I'm always promoting [TS]

  which is computer programming [TS]

  and is one of these things like I feel [TS]

  like I you know having grown up in [TS]

  exactly the time that i have that when I [TS]

  when I was a kid there was kind of this [TS]

  idea that computer programming was an [TS]

  incredibly rare skill but this was [TS]

  actually just a side effect of like well [TS]

  not very many people had computers and [TS]

  then I think that it's interesting like [TS]

  it has turned out that while computer [TS]

  programmers are not a huge portion of [TS]

  the population there are lots of them [TS]

  it's a decent size number of people who [TS]

  have this skill to be able to create [TS]

  applications on their computers like [TS]

  that is an intrinsically valuable skill [TS]

  but it's also a case of nowhere like the [TS]

  simple supply of people ends up driving [TS]

  down the value of the product they [TS]

  produce and I think we see this in for [TS]

  example the number of free apps that are [TS]

  available on your iphone i guess it's [TS]

  astounding how ridiculously cheap apps [TS]

  are on your iphone for the most part and [TS]

  part of that is just like there's so [TS]

  many people who want to be apt [TS]

  developers like it's a cool job to have [TS]

  like I'm just gonna sit in my house and [TS]

  program away at my computer and I'm [TS]

  gonna be able to do whatever was like [TS]

  well guess what there's tons of people [TS]

  who want to do that and just like people [TS]

  who produce art there are tons of people [TS]

  who can do that as like a part-time [TS]

  thing or there are lots of people who [TS]

  just like people enjoy creating art [TS]

  there are people who enjoy programming [TS]

  and so that enormous I don't want to say [TS]

  glut but that enormous supply of people [TS]

  who are able to do a thing changes the [TS]

  competitive landscape of that of that [TS]

  thing itself i'm always promoting the [TS]

  computer programming as as I can [TS]

  incredibly valuable skill but it still [TS]

  has this same kind of a fact that like [TS]

  lots of people once [TS]

  to do this and you can end up with this [TS]

  similar kind of superstar fact that she [TS]

  like a small number of apps make an [TS]

  enormous amount of money and a huge [TS]

  number of apps make basically no money [TS]

  whatsoever the price you pay for an [TS]

  enjoyable job [TS]

  yeah that's exactly it that's exactly it [TS]

  you know you if if you have you're [TS]

  looking to get a job that everybody [TS]

  wants to do then it's it's going to be [TS]

  hard because you have an enormous amount [TS]

  of competition like that's that's just [TS]

  the way the world works [TS]

  you don't get a lot of spec what [TS]

  toilet-cleaning on the hunt the flip [TS]

  side of this i taught at a school that [TS]

  we will say had just a very large number [TS]

  of very well-to-do students at one point [TS]

  and i was showing them a video about [TS]

  something or other it doesn't even [TS]

  matter but at one point in the video [TS]

  they show an assembly line that's [TS]

  producing kitchenware for for that for [TS]

  your household and on the video at one [TS]

  moment there's a guy whose whole job was [TS]

  moving a sheet of metal from one metal [TS]

  stamping machine to another metal [TS]

  stamping machine that would turn it into [TS]

  a bowl and then taking the finish bowl [TS]

  off and putting it on a conveyor belt [TS]

  and that was all he did like move the [TS]

  piece from one side to the other one [TS]

  side to the other and for some reason [TS]

  this caught the attention of the [TS]

  students in the class and these these [TS]

  kids were in year nine so they're like [TS]

  13 14 years old again all from very [TS]

  well-to-do families and one of the girls [TS]

  said is that that guy's job like is that [TS]

  all he does all day and so I thought [TS]

  like this little teachable moment right [TS]

  let's have a little a little [TS]

  conversation about that and I said oh [TS]

  yeah this this is this is what this [TS]

  person does for a living and never [TS]

  forget because she said he must get paid [TS]

  so much money to do a job that's so [TS]

  boring and then that what that was my [TS]

  moment to be like let's talk about the [TS]

  value of skills like this is going to be [TS]

  a moment for me to try to sell [TS]

  engineering degrees to everyone in the [TS]

  room [TS]

  right now like I will never have a [TS]

  better moment to sell it then this [TS]

  because like that is the other side of [TS]

  the supply equation like if you can have [TS]

  a an enjoyable job but if there are lots [TS]

  of low-skilled people like that doesn't [TS]

  drive up the price of that job that also [TS]

  drives the price of that job down and [TS]

  what a magic moment and great example of [TS]

  the important role that teachers play in [TS]

  the shaping of students and change lives [TS]

  that day [TS]