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00:00:00 ◼   ► you know our I'm really stressed I've [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► been working really hard I don't know if [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► I'm coming or going the last few weeks [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► opinion sign but you've cheered me up [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► with a fun chat before the show and [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► you've put me in a good mood and I don't [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► think I'm at my best when I'm in a good [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► mode [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► I won't tell your story you want to tell [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► me a story about I went on a little [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► holiday to my favorite place in the [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► world [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► this is the mole Dave's that sounds very [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► lovely have you been to the motives [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► uh-huh the very fact that i am currently [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► just realizing i need to pull up a map [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► where i was going to quietly type [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► maldives into it on your steam-powered [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► keyboard there's no quiet typing with [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► you I was I was mentally thinking it was [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► somewhere in in the Indian Ocean kind of [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► it is sort of western shore Lanker list [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► of india a bit just a little emerald [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► sprinkled in the ocean and directly [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► north of the british indian ocean [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► territory went to I went to a lovely [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► lovely Island there and had a week of [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► niceness a week of blue ocean if the [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► photographs are anything to go by every [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► time you send me a photo there was just [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► just perfect perfect crystal light blue [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► water all around you [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► hashtag no filter that is what it looks [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► like that is what it looks like [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► what did you do now we have to conclude [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► hashtag no filter look at i think i [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► actually just went on Instagram [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► yesterday like I've just started a new [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► instagram account yesterday I think I [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► want to get it i want to get into [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► Instagram are you two huh I like I just [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► think it's a nice a platform [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► I've been enjoying doing our Audrey's [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► instagram and i thought i'm going to go [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► on there so i started one up and show me [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► the love people you can follow bringing [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► on Instagram and do Audrey on Instagram [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► to is that what I just got bored orders [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► on Instagram and now and now i am 25 if [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► you're going to follow 1follower Audrey [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► uh-huh [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► workers are there better so anyway one [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► of the really common things you find at [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► these more deviant islands of these [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► water villas that's that's a lot of [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► people staying there like the nice thing [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► to stay in and for people who are [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► unfamiliar with this concept because [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► these islands are so tiny [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► normally when you stay on one they build [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► like a little jetty out to say I just [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► want to understand [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► where you staying on a private island is [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► now is that what the description here [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► that all already the radios i would like [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► an untouched emerald and they go and [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► they build you your own peer that you [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► will then land upon it that was a no but [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► but it's a big but the way the Modi's [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► works is because all these tiny little [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► islands all around these assholes are so [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► small it's not like you go to an island [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► and there's like five hotels there and [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► you choose the hotel you want basically [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► you choose an island and there's just [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► one place on that island and it will [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► have a couple of restaurants and a gym [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► and you know a spire but like usually [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► the islands of the size of maybe two or [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► three football fields so what they do is [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► they build these jetties these peers out [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► to sea and then off these pic jetties [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► comes a series of little mini jetties [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► each one of the little villa sitting [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► above the sea basically on on stilts on [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► I don't go okay and i were talking about [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► and they're talking about so its eastern [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► border village so you're above the sea [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► at night and this particular one we had [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► had a like a partly glass floor so you [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► can look down at the scene look at the [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► fish and you've got your own little [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► platform for and/or out the back with a [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► little ladder that goes down into the [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► sea so you can go and swim with the fish [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► and it's all its it's so lovely so calm [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► so I've set the same we're staying in [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► this water villa and there's a series of [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► water villas that come of this jetty and [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► I went to the island i went i think i [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► went to the gym so to do it to do a [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► fitted on 5,000 meters on the treadmill [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► counts double when you're on holiday [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► exactly so my wife stayed in the villa [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► and she went out onto the deck at the [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► back of the villa to go and look at the [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► sea and I think she put her beats [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► headphones on and was listening to music [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► I came back and mikey had stopped [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► working [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► who was banging on the door and the [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► doorbell and she couldn't hear me [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► because she had the music on so i looked [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► at the Villa next door and the guy who [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► was like cleaning the villas who I knew [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► because I'd spoken to him on previous [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► days and ask him about things and you [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► know ask him about the motives we become [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► friendly of course with him and I said [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► I've got a problem I've locked myself [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► so he said I'll let you in and he was [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► getting his life master keyer was gonna [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► walk around that me and I said no no [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► I've got a better idea let me through [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► this villa so he let me walk through the [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► village he was cleaning to their back [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► over there back verandah area and then I [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► went down there ladder into the sea and [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► I swim across to our villa the next [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► Miller so i could then emerged from the [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► sea and just come up the ladder and just [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► appear before my wife like out of the [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► water like James Bond not the only thing [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► that would have made it cool that was if [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► I'd like ripped off my clothes and I had [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► a tuxedo underneath after surprised he's [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► your man and she just looks at me and [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► says well I didn't see you going to say [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► and I said I came from next door has [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► been locked out knocking on the door and [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► swam here from the Villa next door she [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► went huh [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► I thought maybe you'd gone for swimming [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► I hadn't noticed I was so deflated like [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► that was gonna be like that was gonna be [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► like the story that she would tell that [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► used to come of the day her husband just [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► emerged from the sea and because i feel [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► like i'm mostly on your wife side of [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► remarkable unimpressive pneus because [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► I'm looking actually at some satellite [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► pictures of these of these villas like [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► i've been i've been browsing around and [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► google while you're talking and yeah it [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► looks like these things these little [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► houses on the sea they can't be more [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► than 10 feet apart so well it's acting [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► like it's like you're trying to start [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► like your impact like you're super [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► impressive here like you swam across the [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► open ocean you know the next Island [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► right to the next Island when you got [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► locked out you know and like blown [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► across the ocean like but act but [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► actually what you're talking about is [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► you just got a little wet barely moving [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► any kind of distance like I looking at [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► these photos I who hates the ocean who [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► hasn't touched the ocean in a decade [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► possibly i would feel completely [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► comfortable swimming from one of these [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► villains to the others if I got locked [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► out just like this life i'm totally with [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► your wife on that's what this was not a [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► great fate of swimming i will i will [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► grab I will grant you that it's not even [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► like some genius plan that you came up [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► with like the obvious thing to do [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► no other things to do not use the [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► Aldean's equivalent of of walking [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► through you [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► neighbours backyard to get to your own [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► house yep that's what this is it's so [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► impressive maybe even building up his [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► story today about like oh we great you [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► would you just can't wait i have such a [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► story to tell you about getting locked [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► out of my hotel and I'm sitting here [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► like waiting for the story to happen but [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► I have just the just is unimpressed as [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► your wife is would you have been as [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► comfortable doing this swim if the night [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► before when you were looking through [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► your glass window in the in the floor [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► you had seen three count em three [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► five-foot-long sharks swimming under [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► your villa for 20 minutes this water [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► Brady is crystal clear you could you [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► could see sharks for miles [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► I'm you know that's not that's not true [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► which with that's not true with sharks [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► and fish even when the water is clear [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► and literally miles that's not true [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► there are many times I'm swimming in the [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► motives and suddenly like there's a [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► sharp like a reef shark or something [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► right next to me that you couldn't say [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► from from above but anyway yeah but reef [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► shark like you're not gonna get eaten by [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► reef shark and it's just you know it's [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► cool that this kind of thing to tell [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► someone who i was there was a reef shark [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► bite me but it's not gonna it's not [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► gonna eat you [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► this is this is no great white shark I I [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► think you're missing the point of the [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► story and you know you do i am you you [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► actually I think you're missing the [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► point of your story you actually hit the [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► point of the story without realizing it [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► was the point of the story you actually [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► said what I think the funny point of the [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► story is this is this was not a great [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► feat of athleticism but the thing that I [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► think is funny about this story is what [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► you said that the that the more davion [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► equivalent of going through your [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► neighbor's backyard to get into the [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► house involves swimming in the ocean [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► I think that's lovely it is it look [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► lovely yes remotely impressive now [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► well pumpkin like looking at the [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► satellite photos the very reason they're [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► able to do build these houses where they [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► are is because you're not over like that [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► like the continental shelf here with his [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► water resistant water that you down [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► forever you're on the top of a natal [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► it's just it's unimpressive in every way [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► could possibly be and you can I do swim [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► out to the dark part where the drop-off [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► goes because I because i love snorkeling [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► and you swim along and so it's quite [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► shallow and then you go to the drop-off [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► wear just plunges down into the dark [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► blue and that is freaky when you swim to [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► their like that that that's that's quite [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► scary and I see how far I can swim out [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► above that and yeah that the tech that's [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► terrifying [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► that's having fun rolling the dice on [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► your life right that's something I would [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► not do not under any circumstances not [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► ever [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► well I'll grant you there like that [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► that's why you were telling me that [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► these eight holes are all in like a [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► circle and so if you're telling me you [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► it's you know swam across the open a [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► business in the center to get to the [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► other side then I feel like now that's a [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► man i am impressed by like but this is [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► just it's nothing it's nothing [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► well if you can show me the text or the [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► email or remind me of the conversation [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► that happened where I said I did [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► something incredibly impressive to get [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► into a locked hotel room i will [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► apologize my recollection is that i had [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► just a funny light-hearted moment that [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► happened when I locked myself out of a [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► hotel and because it did not involve [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► putting my life at risk it seems to be [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► inadequate for the hello Internet [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► podcast and for that i apologize [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► you've been traveling quite a bit [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► ah yeah you've traveled twice to the [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► same place [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► amsterdam we didn't talk about it last [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► time but yes I went three months ago and [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► i was just recently in Amsterdam as well [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► again and I just just came back [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► yesterday or the day before yesterday as [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► i recently returned and you just go [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► there and work you just go there and [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► second stay in a hotel and see on your [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► computer basically and add yet my [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► swimming in the sea stories too boring [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► it wasn't about to tell you already have [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► an amazing story about how I was on my [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► computer and I locked myself out of my [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► room and went down to reception and get [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► a replacement card [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► why do you why do you do this great you [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► haven't you have a perfectly serviceable [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► apartment you have a little office space [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► as well in London you have you have all [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► your little libraries and coffee shops [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► and nooks and crannies you can work in [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► is that not enough for you it isn't [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► enough for me Brady heads true i need i [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► need more novelty [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► in my life on occasion this is the thing [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► that I have always done is to take [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► little breaks away from my normal [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► routine and now that I'm like [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► self-employed and I'm on my own it's [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► it's a situation like oh I can actually [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► take a break not just when I have off [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► from work I can do it at any point and [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► so I found a place that I liked in [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► amsterdam and yes I went there is most [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► recent trip I was there for two weeks [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► and everything about this experience I [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► like because I went there with the [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► intention of working and it was just [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► it just narrows my focus was like I [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► don't have to worry about a whole bunch [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► of other stuff like I'm just there and I [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► can concentrate on a few things like I [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► can concentrate on the finished Ron [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► lifestyle of course and I can [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► concentrate on some work that had been [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► on my mind for a while that I was trying [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► to complete and finish and concentrate [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► on writing and like that's it like life [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► is very simple it's very straightforward [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► and I I really I really benefit from [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► doing this on occasion so I did it [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► recently I i turn but i think its weight [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► but let's eat [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► why do you think it's weird I know why [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► you think it's weird you think it's [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► weird because you're a workaholic who is [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► able to just work all the time at any [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► time with no problems whatsoever that's [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► you break your the machine in this [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► relationship really you're always able [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► to crank out stuff [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► no that's not true and home has its [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► distractions like the knocking on the [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► door and the things of life but also [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► home has all the things i need and like [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► if I go away I and inevitably will not [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► have some things I need but I i don't [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► know i guess i'd have to travel so much [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► anyway that unnecessary travel like does [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► not appeal to me and you mean [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► unnecessary work travel like that's [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► that's the difference here because you [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► just did unnecessary and unnecessary [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► travel to the Maldives yeah but that was [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► well here's a key difference there I did [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► that with my wife who and the other [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► thing that I find strange about it is [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► that you go away on your own now I now [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► you're an introvert sort of stuff but my [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► wife has to work and she's also happy to [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► have me out of the house for a little [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► while [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► that's how relationships work you know [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► you gotta be on the same page about this [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► kind of stuff [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► yeah yeah she's cool with it but [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► I'm happy for you and you might you just [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► sit around the hotel de you don't got a [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► lot to and Frank's house and you know [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► walk the canals and stuff to sit in city [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► computer or so actually happened to when [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► I started this trip I happened to [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► install a new app on my phone which does [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► like automatic location tracking and [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► tries to build a little report of what [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► you've been up to which I felt like I [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► was interesting let me try this thing [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► and according to that i left the hotel [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► aside from phila tron lifestyle runs [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► which I was doing but excluding those in [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► 14 days i left the hotel three days [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► really one of them was to meet up with a [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► friend who came up to visit me for the [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► final day of the trip but mostly because [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► I just I just stay in in the hotel [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► the downside of this though is that the [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► hotel staff get to know me way too well [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► while I want to just be this anonymous [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► person in the hotel i also have like [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► picky requests with food or the way [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► think I want things done and so I'm [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► immediately identified and recognizable [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► by all of the staff one of the times [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► that I went out was to was to fix a [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► problem because i was originally only [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► supposed to be an acronym for a week and [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► i ended up extending the trip longer for [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► a week but because i only thought i was [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► going to be there for a week [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► I did not bring shaving supplies and I [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► had arrived slightly scruffy and I would [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► I thought like oh but i'll be leaving at [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► the end of the week it's it's it's no [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► big deal but when I extended longer i [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► realized around 8n that ok all of the [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► hotel staff know exactly who i am i am [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► this also this guy who's like clearly [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► not wanting to talk to anybody and is [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► super picky and is now also becoming [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► like extremely scraggly looking and I [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► realize like okay I am falling into like [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► a Howard Hughes type situation here in [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► this hotel you know how you just have [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► this feeling like I think the perception [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► of me is suddenly changing their [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► beginning to wonder if when i check out [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► there going to find bottles of pee in [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► the hotel room stashed away or something [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► one of the reasons i went outside at one [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► point was solely to catch shaving [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► equipment [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► because i wanted to shave but because i [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► felt this like responsibility to give [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► some kind of indication to the hotel [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► staff like don't worry don't worry don't [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► still a normal person who is able to [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► take care of himself [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► I am NOT just a weirdo who has checked [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► into this hotel and it's going to end up [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► living here but looking like a homeless [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► person in his hoodie unshaven and [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► scruffy so I i have never ever shaved [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► more thoroughly or more carefully than I [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► did at about day 10 in that 12 in that [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► hotel because I thought I need to look [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► so well put together I need to not be [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► coming out like cuts all over my face [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► covered with and I swear I swear to you [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► Brady the staff in the restaurant and [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► everywhere else did stop treating me [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► like maybe this guy's little weird like [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► after I had shaved this totally did in [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► their minds reset the clock to like okay [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► he's a person who can take care of [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► himself he's not just a freak is going [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► to live here indefinitely [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► that was your James Bond moment when you [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► came down the lobby stairs and your tax [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► all clean shaven and over all the [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► waitresses return they had it went wow I [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► had no idea who's that guy that's the [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► guy with the beard doubles OmniFocus [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► that is not the same i ah it looks [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► amazing there let me ask you this though [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► amsterdam you know it's one of the great [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► cities of Europe and as such it is [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► therefore not a cheap city to go to if [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► you want to stay in a nice hotel and [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► pretty much stay in a hotel most of the [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► why go to a city as expensive as [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► amsterdam why not find a luxurious hotel [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► in some remote location where you can [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► get more and nicer hotel fiat money [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► ok so Brady the thing is I didn't go to [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► Amsterdam the first time because i [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► thought oh I want to go to Amsterdam [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► like this is a city that I want to go to [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► now I did this ad exact reverse way [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► which is I was trying to find a hotel [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► that I would want to spend a significant [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► amount of time in and he didn't care [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► where in the world it was so i was [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► trying to find a place that looked like [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► a place that I want to stay and the [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► number one thing the number one thing [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► that I cannot stand with most hotels is [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► that they're just so fancy especially [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► European hotels where they have like all [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► of this French 17th century furniture [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► looking stuff and they cramp up the [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► rooms with everything I just I cannot [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► stand that kind of thing in a hotel like [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► I would I wouldn't want to stay in that [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► sort of hotel because it's just mentally [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► cluttering it's just overwhelming [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► so what I was really doing is how is [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► looking all over the continent of Europe [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► trying to find hotels that were [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► relatively minimalistic and that's that [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► was actually my primary thing and the [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► fact that it was in Amsterdam that was [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► just a secondary effect it could have [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► been anywhere and i would have I would [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► have travelled to it [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► Amsterdam is quite close which is handy [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► as well I guess that's not a long flight [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► do you fly there or now in July took the [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► train out I took the train out I thought [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► like that do this the nice way so it's [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► been like a day traveling out on the [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► train and a while at the hotel and then [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► I took the train back [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► so what do you do you get the Eurostar [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► to Paris and change or what haha yes [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► your started to Brussels and then [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► Russell's to amsterdam brussels which is [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► one of the ugliest train stations I've [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► ever seen process is horrible [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► mmm nice one so for a lot of people [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► listening I think Amsterdam is famous [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► for its tolerance of activities that [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► would be illegal in many other places [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► and and you obviously like one of the [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► squarest people i know so do you do you [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► ever wonder around and sort of [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► experience or not experience but you [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► know experience the city and look at all [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► that stuff going on and think wow this [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► is cool or be sort of how do you how do [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► you feel about that side of things [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► because if we don't talk about [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► everyone's going to comment on it turns [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► out you can't go to Amsterdam on your [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► own without your wife for an extended [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► period of time without people making a [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► lot of assumptions about the nature of [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► the trip [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► yes and no matter how much you try to [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► talk people out of it there is not going [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► to believe it this is nice and the thing [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► that i have come across but as I think [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► we've discussed before on the show like [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► I'm actually quite boring like I'm not a [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► person who has [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► done any illegal substances I would [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► never have guessed you would not have [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► guessed so you've decided enough of that [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► Maddie is gonna get crazy and you're [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► like two years or that's not it [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► so I am still I'm still boring in that [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► way also some of the other services that [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► Amsterdam makes available i have not [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► partaken in those services either but I [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► i think it is great that a place like [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► Amsterdam exists i am so on the side [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► like if you if grown-ups want to do [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► something and they are consenting or [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► they are not hurting anybody else like I [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► am very much on the side like obviously [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► that should be legal [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► that's that's my position and I'd like I [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► actually I quite like being in a place [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► where stuff that to me seems like [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► obviously this shouldn't be illegal [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► I'm kind of happy to be in a place where [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► it's allowed even if i am not partaking [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► in any of it just it just feels quite [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► reasonable [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► even though i'm totally on board with [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► them being legal it is kind of weird [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► nonetheless sometimes to turn a corner [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► and find yourself quite literally [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► face-to-face with this like you know i'm [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► totally on board with it sometimes I did [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► find it quite surprising on the [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► occasions i was walking around or even [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► just cut sorted by the hotel like go [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► outside and turn the corner and all of a [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► sudden it's like oh I am literally feet [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► away from someone selling the amsterdam [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► specialties and hospital it's like wow [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► the actual buying and selling of these [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► services that seems to be quite socially [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► awkward you're talking about the the [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► physical services not the chemical [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► services [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► yes the physical services that the [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► chemical services because their children [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► in the room of course we have to talk in [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► broad terms but yes it's a little weird [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► to look one of those vendors in the I [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► like at at close range unexpectedly like [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► oh do you ever and this is not this is [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► not a CD question because this is one of [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► the main tourist things of amsterdam do [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► you ever walk through it like the the [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► bespoke area of amsterdam that is a more [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► red in its illumination the redline [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► victory [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► yes I don't know what I don't know what [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► we're saying now you've reminded [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► we have all the little people this now [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► that is that's one of the most [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► interesting things to do in amsterdam [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► and I can assure you there are about [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► four thousand tourists for every one [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► person who was actually there trying to [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► partake in those services with my [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► feeling was mostly was like well this is [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► very strange like I'm again I'm glad [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► this thing exists but it's kind of weird [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► that it does i'm always surprised that [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► it's quite like it's quite a beautiful [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► area isn't the little little yesterday [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► in ways and canals and the complete [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► foreignness of what's happening [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► obviously makes it quite a bit a bit [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► disoriented but you know obviously it's [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► really strange thing to say sort of a [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► glass door and there's a lady there who [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► wanting to do business and give the [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► children Brady talking about about it [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► but but but but I certainly yeah it said [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► it's certainly very different it's [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► certainly very exotic an interesting [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► place and but also good place for [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► business obviously for the great [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► business [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► yeah definitely got a lot of work done [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► got a lot of things done very happy very [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► happy [TS]

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00:23:28 ◼   ► Snow Crash by neal stephenson it's a [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► classic science fiction book that was [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► written at a bit of the dawn of the [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► Internet age in the early nineties but [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► that i reread recently and still holds [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► up marvelously as always with these [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► things I don't want to spoil any of the [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► plot for you so if you trust me this is [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► just a recommendation that I'm passing [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► on though I will say the book has one of [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► my favorite lines ever about companies [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► will just say that companies play a [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► large role in this book and that line is [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► the franchise and the virus work on the [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► same principle what thrives in one place [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► will thrive in another you just have to [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► find a sufficiently very [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► Island business plan condense it into a [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► three-ring binder [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► its DNA xerox it and embedded in the [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► Fertile lining of a well-traveled [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► Highway preferably one with a left turn [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► lane then its growth will expand until [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► it runs up against its property lines [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► that's a hell of a paragraph i just love [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► that and I think about that every time I [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► see franchises along the highway [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► that's what a good book can do it can [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► plant a thought in your mind forever so [TS]

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00:25:18 ◼   ► were saying before the show that we [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► should just talk at length about gun [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► jams and still no no not going to five [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► guys germs and steel that we've had a [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► lot of feedback we have had a lot of [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► feedback but I need to I need to load it [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► all in my brain to be able to talk about [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► the whole thing I can't talk about this [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► now don't worry Brady because i know i [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► know there's nothing you love more than [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► really picky detailed follow-up I think [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► about a topic that you're not super [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► interested in I don't worry we'll get to [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► it at some point but not today not today [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► wasn't one person wrote a response iso [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► and I think their response was longer [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► than the book [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► yeah there there there have been many [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► many comments we were sort of time at [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► some point you're not going to drop into [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► it now is that what you're trying to do [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► honestly grey I cannot draw you into it [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► because i have not I have not processed [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► and read it like that you know I i flip [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► i skim read the red when it was early [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► days but I sort of i didn't understand [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► most of it we'll get back to it later [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► ok let's get to what you really love [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► which is the bi weekly weigh-in [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► bi-weekly way in which is more like a [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► try [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► monthly discussion little that's what i [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► was saying today we have to do the [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► bi-weekly way and because we haven't [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► done it in I can't quite remember how [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► long the last time we did it i just [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► remember saying I gained a bunch of [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► weight from Christmas yeah and I think [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► you hadn't weighed yourself then but [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► then you told me today that you haven't [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► weighed yourself again so how long has [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► it been since you weighed yourself man [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► i I don't know how would I know that and [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► I don't you have a spreadsheet you [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► haven't been keeping a spreadsheet i [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► haven't been keeping a spreadsheet and i [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► haven't actually been running for the [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► last couple of weeks either for a few [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► reasons so your region open the [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► spreadsheet to put my running times in [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► and i have not been running either so [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► I'm basically rubbish he said as he [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► rigged as he reached for another [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► schedule and soup of dr.pepper you reach [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► for a single skittle my kind of lots of [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► skills when the podcast because that [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► feel like my mouth but i can i can sneak [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► only get one in occasionally is that [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► what you do when recording is sneaking [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► skills into your mental now I'm not [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► normally but I've got back here at the [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► moment [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► look at that that sounds like a pretty [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► big pack of those jumbo pack of Skittles [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► yeah limited-edition darkside skills so [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► I've gone for the darkside skills not [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► officially part of the trial lifestyle [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► that's why they're dioxides get it was [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► great oh I just dropped him [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► oh they're all over the pillow know ru [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► darkside skills are to make sure I [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► picked them up before audrey gets back [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► they're everywhere great have bet that [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► you are it's like a big rainbow carpet I [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► think there's the filter on God's [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► punishing you can I that's great because [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► they're too big to vacuum as well he's [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► just getting up to pick the model up and [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► now it's messing with my head [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► don't say anything though it's still [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► here he's choking up I just put one in [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► my fingers are all sticky from picking [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► them up [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► it's all going wrong right anyway so [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► we'll like pick up skills why don't you [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► tell people that you know what your [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► weight is is something seriously going [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► to try to be picking up skills while [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► we're doing this podcast yeah that you [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► can't do it I'm doing it now [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► no you can't do this man Oh everyone and [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► I know I bet they are [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► i'll pick a lot of them up now [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► ok come on what are you a hater for our [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► bi-weekly way and theoretically this is [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► the week that I get to say that i am [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► finally at my goal of being under 200 [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► pounds no time [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► thank you i am super excited about that [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► just barely [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► uh I weighed myself this morning and i [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► am one 99.5 which is still within a [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► rounding error over 200 but I'm gonna [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► literally couldn't count that I'm gonna [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► count that last one [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► and what did you tell her but did you go [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► to five guys and pick up [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► ok so actually I didn't have a [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► celebration so we were talking before i [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► was at amsterdam right and one of the [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► other things like being in Amsterdam [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► being in that hotel one of the other [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► things it's really easy to do was like [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► okay well i'm not at home [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► I don't have the refrigerator like in my [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► room or anything there's limited food [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► selections there so while i was an [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► accident i was super focused on doing [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► the like the no-carb diet thing and just [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► like I'm not eating any carbohydrates [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► while I'm here I can focus on this I can [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► keep I can keep really really intense [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► with it and so I didn't eat any carbs [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► and that was partly why i lost about [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► about two or three pounds and each week [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► that i was there [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► well and but the thing was I knew as [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► soon as I've been there for a week I [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► thought you know what if I keep this up [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► I could just get under 200 pounds and my [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► my goal and my mental reward here was [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► that I knew that I had this friend [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► visiting on the final day and I thought [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► wow this is great [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► if if i can get under 200 pounds by the [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► time he arrives then i will allow myself [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► to not be a picky little person when [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► we're going out and we're eating if i [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► can get under 200 i will allow myself to [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► just have like a normal day of going out [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► with a friend like eating at restaurants [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► and just not being super picky cool and [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► so on the final day when my friend came [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► to visit we went out to this amazing [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► amazing omelet place which is actually [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► just by the Amsterdam Central Station [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► and I had a croissant with scrambled [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► eggs and cheese [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► I swear to god it was one of the most [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► delicious things I had everything ok [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► with it was the first bread that i had [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► had in two weeks you're like keep your [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► red light district i'm going to the [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► omelet district exactly it was as [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► sounding it was like this croissant with [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► these scrambled eggs is the best food I [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► have ever even in my whole life so nice [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► that was kind of my celebration and it [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► was after two weeks while actually [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► really a few days of every time the [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► hotel staff when i get breakfast there [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► they bring over like muffins and bread [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► and every morning I'd be like I know I [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► don't know I don't even want the muffins [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► on my table I don't want the bread on my [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► table and eventually they all learned [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► that I was the weird guy who didn't want [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► bread with anything quite like whenever [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► you order coffee in the hotel [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► it comes with some cookies and I'd have [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► to keep telling them like oh no I don't [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► want any cookies with this and then [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► eventually just learned brought me all [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► the stuff without anything right yeah so [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► that was my celebration [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► what now grey what-what-what next like [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► to look at do look now wait because [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► there are no more weight to conquer in [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► my mind I kind of thought that by the [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► time i was under 200 like everything [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► would be amazing and i would be some [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► kind of super Adonis but actually look [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► in the mirror and I realized like oh [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► what I really done is now i'm just a [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► normal person who could still go with [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► losing a few more pounds like para [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► actually what it is but I think for [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► prior to getting here I had imagined [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► that this was like the final end state [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► right so now I think I realize like I [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► still I still want to lose maybe five [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► more pounds and give myself a little bit [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► of a buffer to never be over 200 [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► again so 195 is the new target I think [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► 195 is the new target might take me a [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► long time to get there but I I think I'd [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► feel a lot more comfortable having a [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► buffer because if I can i really never [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► want to be over 200 again but yeah I [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► feel like a normal person and i realized [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► i was looking through some of my data [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► before and realize that I am now [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► 30 pounds lighter than i was at my [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► absolute fastest which was not years ago [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► nice work yeah so did you did you get [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► because your wife hadn't seen you for a [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► while when you got back from Amsterdam [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► did she like notice a difference and say [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► wow you look awesome [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► yeah pretty much which was very [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► satisfying yeah she noticed right away [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► when I came home she was just because [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► there was a bit like holy cow he look [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► like a different person followed by the [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► very satisfying you should go to [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► Amsterdam more often [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► hi everyone it's time for another one of [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► our sponsorship raids and this one's a [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► little bit different for me because i'm [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► currently standing at the top of the [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► hill overlooking all of san francisco [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► and the bay area it's quite the sight [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► the golden gate bridge is right in front [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► of me and out to my left stretching away [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► is the direction of Silicon Valley and [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► it's here in San Francisco this place of [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► technology that are mine must go to the [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► thing that underpins all of our data led [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► lives and that is back up [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► you guessed it i'm here to talk about [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► backblaze the place to go for online [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► backup I used backblaze and I cannot [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► tell you how much peace of mind gives me [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► it's just installed on my computer it's [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► worrying away in the background [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► continually backing up everything to the [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► cloud [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► I've got a really cool interface it's [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► really easy to use some ridiculous [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► amount of data i think it's like a [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► hundred and fifty petabytes has been [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► stored on the back place service which I [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► think that far away from where I'm [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► talking to you at the moment so funny [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► way I guess I've kind of come all the [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► way from England to be closer to my [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► backed up data now if you lose something [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► on your computer and it happens it could [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► just be a single file you can really [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► easily go to backblaze and just have it [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► restored or if the worst happens and you [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► have a catastrophe you can recover all [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► that data not just through the web but [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► you can also contact back plays and now [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► send you on a hard drive which i can [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► imagine would be somewhat quick [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► then trying to do it through the [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► internet pipes it's also really changed [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► five dollars a month per computer so you [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► can have it running on your main one on [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► your laptop on your wife's on your [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► husband's on your boyfriend's your [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► girlfriends on your relatives in fact I [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► should probably get on my mom's computer [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► i can't imagine how upset she will be if [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► she ever loses all the photos now if you [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► want to check them out go to backblaze [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► dot-com / hello internet if you put the [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► / hello Internet don't know you came [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► from here now you can give them a trial [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► no credit card required get back players [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► running see how easy it is see how much [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► peace of mind it gives you and I feel [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► really confident you're likely to sign [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► on for the real deal will have just come [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► back inside and unbelievably while I was [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► outside recording that I've had a tweak [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► and it says thank you hello Internet FM [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► for making me get back blaze which has [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► just saved my brackets vegetarian bacon [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► so literally while I was telling you to [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► make sure you're protected one of our [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► listeners had their digital life saved [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► by backblaze so I think if people are [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► listening contemporaneously the thing [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► that they expect us to be talking about [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► is the YouTube careful involving the [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► film creators known as the fine brothers [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► fire rose [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► finebros I don't know what you call them [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► then you can exploit you explain what [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► happened great because this is a I'd be [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► interested to hear your explanation of [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► the controversy for anyone who's the bad [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► guys when it goes up like i have seen an [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► enormous number of people asking us to [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► comment on the fine brothers Gate Park [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► lips like whatever you want to put it [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► however you want to like what suffix you [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► want to fix to this is this big thing [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► that has happened and I think perhaps [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► for people who are unfamiliar with what [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► we're about to talk about to talk about [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► maybe the the shortest way to describe [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► the the facts of the situation is that [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► the fine brothers are run a very popular [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► youtube channel which [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► before all of this happened had [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► something like 14 million subscribers [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► and they put out a video which was [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► aiming to discuss a new licensing [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► program that they wanted to put in place [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► and then the internet reacted very badly [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► to this video of theirs that they put [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► out they made an update video and the [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► update video made the whole situation [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► even worse and it kind of exploded into [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► a massive massive kind of internet fight [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► over copyright and trademarks and [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► ownership of things and how to make [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► videos for large groups of people and [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► the value of the work of the fine [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► brothers like it spilled over into just [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► everything possible and was i'm going to [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► say probably one of the biggest like [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► internet explosions i have seen in a [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► long long time like it was just [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► constantly on the front page of sites [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► like Reddit it was all over Twitter it [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► was just this big big explosion that [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► connected to a whole bunch of stuff i [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► don't think you've done a brilliant job [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► although i think you have very [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► accurately given an overview but I think [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► you've gone a bit too [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► overview there to really bit be much [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► used to people find brothers Gray said [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► very very popular youtubers wait way [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► bigger than you no way bigger than us [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► leagues above us they've become their [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► their huge big things like 10x the size [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► of our challenge goes one of the [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► format's that they make which is sort of [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► being there big format that become [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► really famous for is this series of [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► videos about reactions it's become a [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► genre of videos this react format I've [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► got one called kids react [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► they've got one called elders react [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► which is older people and they basically [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► show them viral videos or objects or [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► things and now just film these people's [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► reactions to them they'll interview them [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► about it and it's a pretty but now thing [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► when you think about it but they make [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► them very well and I've become hugely [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► hugely popular now [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► I think it would it seems to be the case [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► that to me I'm editorializing a bit now [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► that these people are feeling a bit [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► proprietorial about this format and [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► although they most certainly did not [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► invent the idea of people reacting to [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► things or filming people to react to [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► things i think because they had made it [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► quite popular they felt a degree of [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► ownership over and they announce to the [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► world that they were going to license to [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► people the ability to make react videos [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► so you could make a video just like [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► theirs and they will take some of your [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► money and they will help you make that [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► make these videos and once they announce [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► this which seen your kind of odd to a [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► lot of people people started scratching [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► a little bit below the surface and it [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► and it was realized that the fine [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► brothers had in fact trademarked the [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► names of some of their series and they [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► had also trade match just the word react [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► in this in this context and it seemed to [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► be the case that they were now going to [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► attempt to own the whole genre of [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► reaction videos and infect other people [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► started saying they've taken down all my [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► reaction videos and there and there was [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► an active campaign by someone associated [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► with them to take down videos that were [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► about reactions and at this point the [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► internet turned on them [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► I mean you say it was a huge big thing [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► it was certainly big on red and in [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► certain spheres and it certainly [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► affected them they sort of did a half [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► climb down and sort of apologized and [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► made this apology [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► Mia culpa video which was not very [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► successful didn't go down well and [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► wasn't good it wasn't good and that made [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► things much much worse for them and then [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► a couple of days later they did a [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► complete climb down as they were [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► hemorrhaging subscribers and everyone [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► was even some of their sort of friends [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► were saying they haven't done very well [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► here they did a complete climb down and [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► said we're sorry we're we're releasing [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► all our trademarks on the word react [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► we're releasing all their trademarks [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► even on the ones that we do we're ending [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► this whole idea of Licensing videos and [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► they went back into [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► shell completely beaten to death by the [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► internet now one of the people who beat [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► them with a stick was a good friend [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► cgpgrey what do you mean I don't know [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► what you're talking about pretty gray [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► was like obviously people were writing [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► blogs and making videos and really [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► getting stuck into these guys and gray [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► made a sort of a satirical Jackie video [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► that I'm sure most of you have seen [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► where he pretended that he was going to [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► trademark stick figures which he uses in [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► his videos and anyone else we ever [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► wanted to use it figures would have to [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► license from him and it was a rather [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► rather sarcastic video and it was done [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► in a away that kind of the parodied and [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► sat I'd they the original things that [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► the fine brothers were doing so great [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► was one of the people in in the the mob [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► that publicly shamed the fine brothers [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► in-app away from their position it has [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► been very interesting i have been [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► talking to a lot of people in the [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► business about this like because the the [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► phrase that I keep using to describe [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► what happens to everyone I talk to about [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► this is perfect storm this thing [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► exploded into a big conversation because [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► it just like it hit all of the like the [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► trigger points that it possibly could to [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► make this explode into a big thing [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► what are some of us well what one of [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► those is even in your own description i [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► think the thing that is is very tricky [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► about this is in the in the first video [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► that the fine brothers made you know I [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► came to this very late i saw both videos [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► at the same time because I i was just [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► completing my own business [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► no not on the internet very much and [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► just happened to accidentally come [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► across this thing but in the first video [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► that they made they explained what they [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► were doing kind of poorly because i [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► watch that video and I thought wow ok [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► one this is horribly made I don't think [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► it's a very good video but as someone [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► who works in the field of intellectual [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► property right like my business is built [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► on intellectual property i watch the [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► thing i thought okay [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► that they're doing they want to do [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► licensing deals right this is this is [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► what they want to do they want to [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► license the fine brothers name or they [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► want to license the particular assets [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► they used to make their videos to other [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► people to use to create you know [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► sub-channels and then they themselves [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► using example like you know america's [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► got talent and britain's got talent [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► right this is a common thing in the [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► entertainment industry to do [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► yeah yes it's not it's not unremarkable [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► not it would be it would be certainly a [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► new thing to do it on youtube and just [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► have anyone in their bedroom started to [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► license video Chandra's but someone's [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► got to do it first I guess ya doing it [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► on YouTube is it is a slightly different [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► thing but it is it is by no means like [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► some kind of outrageous thing to do [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► right it's exactly the kind of thing [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► that a media company would do if they [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► have a successful property because [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► that's what media companies do [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► yeah and so is not watching I'm like [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► okay well you know what this is [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► whatever about this but the but the [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► problem that happened was that as the [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► video went on they were talking about [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► other people like using their format or [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► like making similar videos to them and [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► ask your audience to kind of boycott [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► people who are infringing on their [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► intellectual property rights and that's [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► to me wear it [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► it flipped over into this perfect storm [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► because then there is this like [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► misunderstanding that the fine brothers [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► are claiming ownership of all kinds of [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► react videos which I don't think was [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► their intention in the original video [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► but it's like man if you guys make a [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► video and you put it out to 14 million [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► subscribers the vast majority of of your [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► viewers they don't have a clear [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► understanding of the difference between [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► copyright trademark and licensing and [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► branding deals that you can't expect [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► them to understand the distinction of [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► these things because they're really [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► complicated things and even as someone [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► who works in this field like you have to [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► think about it sometimes like okay what [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► are the difference between these [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► different things and so I think like [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► that was one of the things that made it [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► like a perfect storm is because [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► tons of people make react videos because [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► frankly they're very easy to make and so [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► then this video ends up kind of [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► unintentionally sounding like the fine [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► brothers are going to own all reaction [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► videos and I just I don't think that was [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► that their intention from the first [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► video but it sure is held sounded like [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► it i disagree with the i disagree with [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► you bro [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► okay was it i don't know i think it was [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► their intention they trademark the word [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► react on its own [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► yeah they did they didn't say that at [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► the time yeah yeah but they had done and [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► let me tell you something else who let [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► me take you back in time to 8 pro 2014 [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► ok i made a video no reaction video [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► which was basically it was really a [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► parody of reaction videos you know you [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► know how i make those parodies of [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► calculator and box comic and boxing [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► paradise where people i can calculate [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► the boxes i do like my comment on the [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► silliness of unboxing videos i made a [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► reaction video the same thing when I got [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► a bunch of the professors in my videos [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► to play the game 2048 I'm gonna like [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► this one where that one that was the [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► very sight guys to go don't go start [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► sending me messages about how threes [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► better i'm not our users but was [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► developed as a three way better if I [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► know if we will eventually three threes [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► is the one that I'd like but 2048x2048 [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► was the zeitgeist you think that week [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► and that's what we did I know that one [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► of the mindshare that one is the [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► mindshare anyway so i made that I made [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► that video i received an email from the [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► fine brothers now I i I'm not one for [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► sharing emails that are sent to me by [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► people because I just think that [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► correspondence between people but I this [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► does not feel like a very personal email [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► to me they didn't know who I was they [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► didn't use my name [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► even so it was clearly a it was clearly [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► quite a generic email and internet they [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► were pretty much warning me off starting [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► a professor's reactor series in 2014 [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► that they were really they were really [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► polite and nice and part of it said we [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► saw your video we thought it was we [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► thought it was really cool you know [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► we assume this was a one-off but are [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► hoping the plan isn't to start doing [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► things like this all the time calling [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► things blank react to and playing games [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► or watching videos like our company does [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► then held at and obviously already [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► thinking about this licensing thing [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► because they then talk about maybe [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► there's a way we could work on something [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► like this together but it would be [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► difficult with the distance but we could [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► maybe start talking about it but [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► everything I start talking about but in [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► the spirit of the YouTube community [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► we're hoping that this is just a one-off [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► and you're not planning to do more of it [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► so this was this was two years before I [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► made one reaction video and I was [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► basically been told don't do you [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► shouldn't do it again it would be [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► against the spirit of YouTube we hope [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► you're not planning to make more of them [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► like our company our company does so i [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► think i think that was thinking about [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► this then you know [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► yeah I mean yeah that that that doesn't [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► that doesn't look good [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► I but i have no I don't know these guys [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► by the way and I think you know [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► obviously make good videos I saw them [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► gave a talk once at VidCon but you know [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► I have no yeah yeah we should be sure [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► that it's minutes it's a funny position [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► to be in because as well i don't i don't [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► know the fine brothers and I don't watch [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► their videos but it's a thing like the [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► fine brothers know lots of people [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► because they have a whole channel that's [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► like whatever the whole series of these [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► youtubers react yeah they're very very [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► well-connected in the YouTube community [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► yeah they're very well-connected people [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► but i do not know them [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► I'm not familiar with their work yeah [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► very much but yeah I guess part of the [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► the stories that were going around at [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► the time and I can't say I like I didn't [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► go in and verify them but apparently [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► they had some spat with like TV channels [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► that we're doing people reacting to [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► stuff like I think they they clearly had [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► some sense of propriety over the idea of [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► react channels that were react video [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► that was [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► out of scope with reality [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► yeah that that's what happened i think [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► that they made something very good and [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► very successful and and continue to be [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► successful and I think they suddenly [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► thought I think I got it I got it I got [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► a bit carried away with how much it was [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► theirs i think obviously forgot that it [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► was not a new thing [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► yeah i mean ok so like to go into the [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► details of this for a second though when [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► I was watching this thing they're [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► talking about licensing and Trademark so [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► this thing comes up every once in a [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► while where you hear that the company is [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► trying to trademark a word this time it [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► happens to be the fine brothers and [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► react but this kind of thing comes up on [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► the internet every once in a while when [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► when companies do this [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► sony try to trade my let's play tonight [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► yeah I think they did so I mean one of [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► the things with with trademarks that [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► people need to understand is the [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► trademarks are relatively narrow and of [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► the three kinds of intellectual property [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► copyrights patents and trademarks I [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► think that trademarks are the least [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► problematic of any of them because the [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► idea of trademark is it supposed to be [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► you you as a consumer by seeing these [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► words in this circumstance know that [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► this company is the one behind it [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► this is that this is the whole idea like [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► coca-cola right like you can make soda [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► but you can't call it coca-cola because [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► that is a trademark to let you know that [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► the coca-cola company has made this [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► thing like they have the purpose of [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► trademarks and when people apply for [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► trademarks you have to specify where and [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► how those trademarks are going to be [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► used and the thing is funny about this [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► whole fine brothers thing this is like [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► it blew up over trademarks but like I [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► have the trademark and I that very [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► morning this fine brothers thing [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► occurred i had actually used a trademark [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► I hadn't forced to trademark to gain [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► control of like a URL squatter basically [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► like this is this is what trademarks are [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► 42 like you can't have someone represent [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► themselves as you or your company if you [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► have a trademark like this is the [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► presumably your trademark is your name [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► yeah that's that super weird thing right [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► like I have trained like cgpgrey just [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► very funny thing but yeah it would end [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► and that's what i was using it's like [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► someone else was was using cgpgrey [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► that's like okay that's nobody else's [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► name like I have trademark this thing [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► yeah represent yourself on the internet [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► in this way so when people talk about [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► like they were trying to trademark the [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► word react [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► I would be shocked if that trademark was [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► actually granted and even if it was [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► granted if it was enforceable because [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► it's just it's too broad it's too [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► generic and like there's no way they [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► were gonna be able to take down [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► everybody's videos that were using the [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► word we had apparently they were great [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► power because obviously the truck onian [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► way that the YouTube system works and [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► YouTube's fear of running into legal [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► problems is their kind of error on the [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► side of caution and if someone says RI [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► and the trademark on that word they kind [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► of take down first and ask questions [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► later and a lot of react stuff [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► apparently i don't know they didn't they [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► didn't take down my video two years ago [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► by the way they made no attempt as far [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► as I know they made no attempt to take [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► it down so I'm not saying they tried to [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► take mine down but a lot of other people [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► internet more recently have been saying [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► they have had problems with it i don't [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► know if it's true but a lot of people [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► were saying and and they've acknowledged [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► it because they say they have said all [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► we're trying to undo those now they said [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► we had nothing to do with i think they [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► said it was there there multi-channel [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► network that did on their behalf and [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► they said they were trying to undo that [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► mess now but so it does seem that it was [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► happening so that means that this is [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► again what why I think partly this blow [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► up into this this big thing is because [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► there's a lot of frustrations that [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► people have with the whole way that [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► YouTube deals with intellectual property [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► and and enforcement and yes there is a [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► bit of a like takedown first ask [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► questions later a policy that YouTube [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► has but but one of the things one of the [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► things that I was was just astounded by [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► is that that [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► Hank green wrote an article which was [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► talking about explaining that the the [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► whole controversy which you put it on [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► medium which are linked to but there's [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► one line in there which was astounding [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► to me where he said that YouTube [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► apparently gives some creators some of [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► the big creators the power to on their [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► own without oversight take down other [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► people's videos which is amazing to me [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► and I think maybe that's what's [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► happening work or that's what had [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► happened with some of these people [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► saying like the fine brothers were able [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► to just take down my video is that like [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► the fine brothers it sounds from this [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► were one of those people who have the [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► ability to just like press a button and [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► nuke someone's video off of off of the [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► YouTube platform and I just I cannot [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► believe that this is this is part of [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► YouTube system and it just it it's like [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► fuel on the fire so like I'm not sure if [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► they were you know properly enforcing [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► trademarks or what but it seems like [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► they were able to take down videos that [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► they thought and they felt were just too [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► close to what they were doing and this [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► is just bad it's really bad do I don't [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► want to come to your I don't want to [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► come to your video yet right I want to [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► ask you separately about your video that [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► you made on this issue in a couple of [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► minutes but the funny thing is the way [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► we've been discussing it so far [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► you almost sound more sympathetic to [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► them then than i do and i actually do [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► feel a little bit sympathetic to worry [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► about that [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► so it's kind of this conversation has [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► gone differently to what i expected [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► because i have I actually i feel i feel [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► a bit sorry for them in some ways but [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► your talk you you're talking like you [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► think they had pure motives and it just [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► came out wrong and I actually don't [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► believe that I think they are getting a [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► bit greedy and they got caught with [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► their fingers in the cookie jar [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► they got disproportionately slapped [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► around because of it we can discuss [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► whether it was disproportionately minute [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► they certainly got slapped around very [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► hard because of it and and they climbed [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► down from this position either because [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► they changed their mind or it was gonna [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► it was starting to have serious business [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► implications for them I don't know which [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► but they certainly climbed down and you [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► seem to be saying are they just didn't [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► communicate very clearly and therefore [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► they got in trouble [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► I think they were doing a bit of smoke [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► and mirrors and making it sound like a [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► great opportunity for everyone when [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► really they were trying to take [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► ownership of something that I'm not [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► entirely convinced they had the right to [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► take ownership of and they were and they [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► were getting dollar signs in their eyes [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► yeah i think there is there's no [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► argument about them [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► owning the idea of reaction videos like [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► this is clear prior art there's there's [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► no there's no universe in which they own [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► the idea of reaction videos justjust [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► without up without it [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► yeah without a doubt the question is of [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► this whole idea of like licensing what [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► they do in particular like that you [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► think that's a very different question [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► and you're great i was clearly trying to [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► setup this licensing program but i think [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► it was running in parallel with a more [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► concerted campaign to stop other people [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► making reaction videos i think that was [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► happening in parallel they weren't [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► talking about that so much because [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► that's not such a nice thing to talk [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► about in a positive let's do it together [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► video but that was clearly happening at [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► the exact same time these two things [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► were happening in concert [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► yeah maybe I guess that this is this is [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► the exact conversation that I've been [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► having with with many people with like [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► why are you more angry about this like [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► aren't you the guy made some videos like [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► super angry about this and and I do feel [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► like my opinion on this is largely like [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► that their trademarks would have been [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► just unenforceable anyway like you like [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► what it like the the worst-case scenario [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► here is that they would have gotten some [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► trademark but it would never have held [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► up you know the idea of trademarking the [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► word react just just like every other [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► company that tries to trademark a single [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► word [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► it just never holds up or it never gets [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► accepted because it's just too broad [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► it's too is not specific enough right [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► it's not like you're trademarking [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► mountain dew at when you are selling [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► sodas right it's just it's just not [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► specific enough so that's why I don't [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► like what it's not the trademark but [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► it's it's more water it's more the [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► intent at signals it's more the intent [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► that we're getting you know make it was [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► there were they were trying to create an [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► arsenal of weapons that would help them [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► stop other people may create videos and [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► a trademark [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► is one of the arrows in your quiver and [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► whether or not that arrow was successful [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► or got it got taken out of the queen of [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► it doesn't matter it shows what they [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► were doing another thing that shows what [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► they're doing with his takedowns another [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► thing that shows what they were doing is [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► maybe emails like the one I alluded to [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► before there were you know this was [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► clearly happening they clearly thought [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► it was their thing and other people [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► shouldn't be doing it so whether or not [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► the the trademark is a is a red herring [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► I admit that you know you're worried [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► about whether the trademark was [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► enforceable okay well they could be [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► court cases and whatever but there was a [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► whole other thing going on that was not [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► being talked about almost being hidden [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► by this whole licensing thing they [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► clearly felt a ridiculous ownership over [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► the idea of people reacting to stuff and [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► I don't like I just I just found it here [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► which is that the thing where they were [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► criticizing the ellen degeneres show [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► because they Ellen DeGeneres did it's [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► apparently some bit where she was [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► showing kids old technology [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► yeah and-and-and the quote here from the [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► fine brothers his wow the ellen show did [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► the kids reacting to old technology [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► didn't mention us that didn't check with [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► us not cool [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► you need to go to their Facebook and [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► blast the kids react links and it's like [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► okay well there there's them trying to [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► rally up an angry mob against the ellen [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► degeneres show for having people look at [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► things and make comments about them [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► yeah and to me that is like okay you are [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► just out of touch with what you have [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► made and its importance in the world and [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► your own [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► your own [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► ship of it and like that's the thing [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► that for me was was the really galling [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► part about it because like I totally [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► agree with you that the trademark in [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► some way doesn't matter i think the idea [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► of doing a licensing deal like whatever [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► it's just boring business who cares it's [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► a totally standard thing but to me the [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► the galling things like the way they [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► presented themselves was that was the [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► thing that just really set me on edge [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► like I cannot believe you guys have made [TS]