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H.I. #50: Queen of Spades

 

  Well here we are episode number fifty. Amazing. You know than very amazed. [TS]

  So we're going to do some sort of fiftieth episode. Celebration stuff. A bit later. [TS]

  Psychics we can talk about fifty and reminisce and talk about the good times and the bad times and she do it.. [TS]

  He shows do when the need to cheap out which we have a a clip show that the last X. [TS]

  I'm using be of grain daytime if you lost lying in the background. Yeah. We need to think of just the barest. [TS]

  The Barry structure to hold together a bunch of clips of things that have happened in the past because the production [TS]

  budget is running out in your last episode. That's usually what T.V. Shows do. [TS]

  Do you think you could add something together that not only had sort of the case. Highlights and if he laughs. [TS]

  And stuff but you could. You could ring at a few tears as well just think you could get some emotion and. [TS]

  Where do you think we're too impersonal that there have been no moments where people would sort of tear up and guy. [TS]

  Goal of those goes. [TS]

  I don't think the two of us are the kind of guys who have tear jerking moments where a motion lot in that respect. [TS]

  We are in serious. Unless of course it is a plane crash corner. Every plane crash corner. Then it's deadly serious. [TS]

  Quite literally quite literally will come to the fiftieth shortly. [TS]

  But I should apologize in advance for the poor sound quality on the fifty S. [TS]

  but I am once again on the road with some dodgy sound set up going here which is a series of ropes and rocks [TS]

  and thing [TS]

  but that you know holding everything in place I apologies I'm not using my usual set up now that's because you are at [TS]

  the spiritual home of number file correct. You know I love it when you say that. [TS]

  Then I said What's its actual name and you never get it right. I should have from ferret really. I couldn't. [TS]

  The Mathematical Sciences Research Institute in San Francisco. In Berkeley. Berkeley. [TS]

  I've been I've been in New York for awake. And now I'm in Berkeley for the next two weeks. [TS]

  So I get that right the Mathematical Sciences Research Institute. You did. [TS]

  Oh I'm very proud of myself on her hand I'm a. I'm impressed. I'm impressed That's right and I'm in a little. [TS]

  I mean the little video room here where I can't for a couple of weeks when I'm filming all the mathematicians here. [TS]

  You have been a whirlwind traveler. I have the pains have been some interesting adventures but I think the highlight. [TS]

  And the thing that everyone's going to want to know first and foremost. Is that I drank my first cup of coffee. [TS]

  I cannot believe that you drank a cup of coffee. [TS]

  Pretty amazing you stirred up the people on the Internet as well because there have been just. [TS]

  It's like a Russian revolution where people want to tear down the statue of you being hard as nails [TS]

  and rejecting a cup of coffee. It's like you were you know you have failed to live up to that statue. [TS]

  I grab a gray if there's something you really really don't like. And then you go through and have it anyway. [TS]

  That is where is hard as nails. Having the coffee is what makes me hot is no. [TS]

  I see how I see how you're trying to play this Brady. [TS]

  It seems like in the video that you enjoyed your first cup of coffee. [TS]

  Is that a fair assessment it was a little bit little hard to tell how much you really liked it and how much. [TS]

  You were being polite. Well. What to give paper with a little bit a little bit of background. [TS]

  I was I was at the house of a person called Mark I meant here is a very famous app developer and computer guy. [TS]

  And most are very well known podcast or. [TS]

  But he's perhaps most known for his love of coffee and being a complete coffee snob. So when I said I was. [TS]

  I was going to his house he sort of. He knows I don't drink coffee but he checked out make your coffee haha. [TS]

  But not really. [TS]

  And when I got there he was offering me a drink and said Oh I've joined a cuppa Terry [TS]

  and I said I'm not going to come to the home of someone who is famous for Dallas the coffee [TS]

  and not know I have a coffee. That would be crazy. Asking he was a bit taken aback. I'm not not. [TS]

  I'm going to I'm going to try if I'm ever going to do a one out to you know if I'm going to lose my virginity. [TS]

  Not want to lose my coffee virginity to someone who knows that coffee. Seems reasonable. So he brought one up. [TS]

  He also recorded there is there is there is a video over there is even Oreo. So people can enjoy can enjoy it. [TS]

  For those who care about such details it was some Kenyan. [TS]

  Coffee and Marco roasts himself so he braced today at to a certain level that he thinks is is just dry [TS]

  and is not the norm [TS]

  and it was made with an arrow press whatever that is I didn't really say what he was doing that was there was some [TS]

  contraption that look a huge siphon that I used to use to clean up my fish tank [TS]

  but he was he made it with that whatever alone was. [TS]

  And he gave it to me and he asked if I wanted milk [TS]

  or sugar which normally would have been my thing I imagine because I like milky sugary things been a little. [TS]

  I want to I'm going to do a major problem if I'm going to be a bear I'm going to be a grizzly and. [TS]

  And I partook of the coffee. So the question is are you going to drink coffee. Again. [TS]

  Was your first experience something that you would want to repeat. Oh. [TS]

  I'm not in a hurry to have another one in many ways. [TS]

  In many ways it was what I expected it sort of tasted like it smelled and. It was quite bitter. [TS]

  I believe your exact words were. It tastes like dirt. [TS]

  I was surprised how the and like it tasted there were definitely nuances of dirt. [TS]

  And I don't and mean that in an entirely negative way. Right. Just kind of tasted it. [TS]

  I don't know folk of these lot that were just this kind of you know a Kenyan roast that was done by the. [TS]

  By the coffee Kerry. You started in at the deep end like that's a pretty intense coffee. [TS]

  And yet without any anything to deluded at all that that's going to taste. Earthy. [TS]

  I mean I'm drinking coffee right now. And I still haven't worked my way up to the. [TS]

  No additives whatsoever at the coffee like it. That's really intense. [TS]

  I do get a pleasant as from I didn't feel the effect by the caffeine or anything was quite a small cup loss. [TS]

  And I think I was being treated gently because it was my first time something. I didn't feel like some crazy drink. [TS]

  And certainly you know I certainly found it more pleasant than I find in to kill [TS]

  or Assam booka I thought which I have quite often quite unpleasant. Not quite unpleasant reactions to this. [TS]

  I'd certainly would drink a coffee before I did tequila shots. OK that's where it is on the hierarchy of drink. Yeah. [TS]

  It comes in above Sam book and tequila but and like she chase. But below most other things. [TS]

  There was ZERO say it was oh say I was given a very very nice piece of apple pie by mockers was HIS of women coat if he [TS]

  more importantly was wearing a re-union swamp and Tasia. First one out saying in the wild. [TS]

  Well you were wearing the Jamaican rice rat. Shirt. [TS]

  Was that was the first time out when I got a tip off that she was going to be wearing the reunion swamp [TS]

  and so I thought I'd be provocative and turn up in a Jamaican rice red shit just to sort of. [TS]

  If that thing going that at least put it up on Twitter. I think yes. [TS]

  Yes yeah I will still show the pictures Yes You know I was only asking because in that picture. [TS]

  You are pointing at the shirt. [TS]

  And I feel like on your travels you have sent me just a series of pictures were Brady point that things. [TS]

  This is what it looks like from my hand when Brady goes traveling it so you've met up with several people [TS]

  and you have sent me pictures of like yours you pointing at this person hears you pointing at this bag of coffee that [TS]

  you got from Marco. Here's you pointing at this other shirt over here. [TS]

  This is what Brady does when he goes on vacation. He points at things and he takes pictures of him pointing at things. [TS]

  Well I've got to guard your eye great because you know you're right and you a text [TS]

  or a picture you never get the point [TS]

  and I have to explain to you why I think you know I think it's I don't agree if I if I stop pointing at things you know [TS]

  at least know the point of the picture for the what do you thing here. [TS]

  That this is for my benefit that you can you can trust me to look at a picture [TS]

  and derive from it that thing you want me to drive or media. Here is the Statue of Liberty is the big grain thing that. [TS]

  I think we have never had any kind of misunderstanding over a photograph that you have sent me not once not ever. [TS]

  That's what I'm going to say I'm sure we have been I don't need your pointing. I tell you I had a fantastic experience. [TS]

  Just just before we started recording. Well I had a terrible experience but it turned fantastic. Oh yes. [TS]

  I got a cab from down on the flats of Berkeley. Down near the university. Here to the spiritual home in the clouds. [TS]

  Because the Spirit are Himes actually up in a mountain very appropriately and. I left in the back of the cab. [TS]

  A little important black case of mine containing. [TS]

  Oh so it's of valuable equipment like Go Pros and stuff like that and then I didn't realize I'd left behind. [TS]

  I was rather upset and twenty minutes later half an hour later the text Dr obviously found. [TS]

  Drove back up the mountain and returned. There are good people in the world. There are. Or indeed. [TS]

  Get people in the world. Of course the hello internet relevant question is did you tip him for his goodness. Well. [TS]

  Unfortunately he came in and dropped it at reception [TS]

  and no one told the building the papal reception knew I'd lost this thing. [TS]

  And I know the moth income I have left in the cab. [TS]

  He came in and dropped it off so they knew exactly what was in what was going on [TS]

  but they didn't tell me in the texture of was in a hurry unless try to Weiss I never got to say. [TS]

  And then the receptionist just came and said all of Brady. Your backs back. [TS]

  And I was so happy I was always he was used to hate Did you get his contact details if I had he's come to you know [TS]

  already given him how to give him a hundred. [TS]

  He saved me hundreds and hundreds of dollars out of had to reap all the stuff I would've given him a huge hit. [TS]

  But none. But I will get back down to the cabin this afternoon and the run. Millions of cabs in Beckley. [TS]

  If i same again. Will give him some cash now I am trying to track him down. [TS]

  I would I would love to track him down and reward him. I did give him a decent tip. [TS]

  When he dropped me off in the first place I maybe that helped maybe fun the off me in the first place. Right. [TS]

  If you hadn't acted all. All that stuff would be on the black market right now. It was it would need to be on a bank. [TS]

  I was just looking up. While you were talking. Where M.S.R. [TS]

  Is because I can never actually remember where the heck Berkeley is in relationship to San Francisco because of the [TS]

  same place in my mind and. I want to see where you actually are at the moment. And you weren't kidding that M.S.I. [TS]

  Really is up in the mountains Ron the some of the views of ridiculous the view is I have a hollow San Francisco Bay. [TS]

  Golden Gate Bridge Alcatraz all of San Francisco prop a boat down across the Berkeley campus it's the view is [TS]

  ridiculous. The director of M.S.R. Eye has the best of you have any office I've ever been in but none. [TS]

  Can you take a picture can we see you at the view I will take a picture from his office and share. [TS]

  Make sure you are pointing at the window. [TS]

  But I know what the point I would say that I would do that just for you to the problem is that you know a picture never [TS]

  looks as good as the the reality of [TS]

  and everything looks pretty small because with your eyes you looking at going on a Couldn't of the Golden Gate Bridge. [TS]

  And then you take a picture in a slight It looks like five pixels but actually with your US from a thing. [TS]

  Yeah it never fails that when you hold the camera up to a scene. [TS]

  Everything is way further away than my brain is how long are you. M.S.R. I for I'm here for two weeks. [TS]

  I'll be saying with mathematicians and the talks and. [TS]

  This is become an annual pilgrimage for you has an arc I come here a few times a year. [TS]

  You know semi semiannual by annual way three or four times a year. [TS]

  So try to quad quadrennial four times the A Probably does the trick. [TS]

  The adult Philippon all of your footage that you then added later. Yeah. I went to this conference in New York. [TS]

  It was really good I haven't spoken to about it since I went because we were talking about it beforehand. [TS]

  And I tell you are actually really enjoyed it. [TS]

  It was put on by this group called the Simons Foundation who are really into education. Outrage. [TS]

  And that's the foundation been by this. Jim Simons guy we've talked about before he's the. [TS]

  The mathematician who became really rich by. You know doing. Stock market stuff. Right right. [TS]

  The guy who only puffs a single puff from each cigarette. Is that correct. [TS]

  Membrane at story the right way you are misremembering it correctly. OK. So anyway. [TS]

  He gives a lot back and one of the things is he runs his foundation and I was asked to go along. [TS]

  And it was one of the main things was coming up with ideas about making society more interested in science [TS]

  and mathematics and stuff. [TS]

  Yeah the impression that I got from what you were talking to me about it was is about increasing. [TS]

  Science literacy in the general population or just just more broadly. Yeah. [TS]

  Increasing the sort of the as a science and math literacy of society. [TS]

  You and I could talk about it for hours because this is obviously topics that you and I really interested in. [TS]

  But I did have a funny experience that I think you'll enjoy. [TS]

  So we'll break it up into these groups and I was kind of brainstorming and coming up with ideas [TS]

  and I mean you know that you know it's kind of things like. [TS]

  And so I ended up in you know in a group in a subset of a group [TS]

  and you ended up in groups depending on your interests and what you want to talk about. [TS]

  And I want even more paper with the date house of that. But the. The upshot was. [TS]

  We had to come up with a bunch of ideas and make them into these little posters little pitches. [TS]

  That would be put up on the wall. [TS]

  It was actually it was more fun than it sounds it doesn't sound like everyone's cup day. [TS]

  It sounds a little bit in the garden is what it sounds [TS]

  but there were posters like with crayons they had little pro-forma sections in them like what's your idea what's it [TS]

  summarized in a sentence. [TS]

  What will it cost you know what are its weaknesses and stuff like that and we sat around coming up with ideas and. [TS]

  We come up with maybe you know how the great Alaric. [TS]

  And then we sort of looked at them [TS]

  and we thought gee what the problem here is that kind of a lot of these ideas are not really new. [TS]

  They're like ideas that people had before to variations on what's being done and. [TS]

  And I think we felt like we played a little bit safe. So I sort of said to the other seven right people in the group. [TS]

  Why don't we for the next ten minutes. [TS]

  Just go crazy and come up with the craziest stupidest ideas and see what comes from that. [TS]

  And I was like yeah that's do it. [TS]

  So I was trying out all these harebrained radio ideas just all the first things that came into my head [TS]

  and a lot of people look at going are you know it's really good you know that's actually quite good [TS]

  and then I started thinking more about them and thinking actually. [TS]

  This idea is better than I thought and you know if you do this and that and. And I became really enthused about them. [TS]

  So I picked up all these pro-forma posters and I was writing down these ideas [TS]

  and I was giving them crazy attention grabbing names and things like that and I was drawing funny pictures on them [TS]

  and being a bit wacky but also sort of throwing all these curve balls up. [TS]

  And I heard my posters up there with all the other ones. [TS]

  And then all the other groups so put their posters up so there must have been fifty post [TS]

  or something up on the walls of this. This big meeting remembering and then what happened next. [TS]

  Which I didn't know it was going to happen with the people running the conference. [TS]

  Gave all the delegates these red and green. Post. [TS]

  Notes and you had to put grain post not someone's You liked and read post a note someone's You didn't like [TS]

  and run little comments. So I went and sat down with a cup of tea and sort of watched what happened next. [TS]

  And for the next thirty minutes. I just watched my three or four posters. Just become this mass of red. [TS]

  Because I think a lot of the people there were maybe a bit more sort of conservative as well and they were like. [TS]

  You know serious papal administrators who look at an idea and straight away it was safe. [TS]

  Problems with it but this that this is real life down voting is what's happening and see it was it was. [TS]

  It was terrible as a lot that the the facilitators who at the time were saying all this is great radio being so [TS]

  creative and prolific and of coming up and putting this consolingly. On my shoulder. As sort of read post. [TS]

  After read post at night with all of these comments and criticisms were like stuck up on all my ideas [TS]

  and it was kind of what Jim magine there has to be a bit of a dog pile a fact that after a while where. [TS]

  If you if you're looking at all of these different proposals and one of them is just covered in red down votes. [TS]

  Who's going to be the guy who puts the lone green posted on that what I was going to do that [TS]

  when you're voting like that so openly and so publicly. [TS]

  I mean I was sort of saying to people I'm taking this bit of a badge of honor because it shows on a chemical soup [TS]

  agents and. You know I'm being disruptive. But if I'm a hundred percent honest I've got. [TS]

  If I've got a hundred grain post. I probably would have really liked that as well right. [TS]

  Yeah you would have taken a picture of it in a frame that somewhere. [TS]

  I took a picture of the of the of it with all the red just like from my own memory instant. [TS]

  And for the show now it's now known for the show and I thought it when he went to say the idea. [TS]

  I don't want to get I don't want to get rid post it notes on read as well. Anyway. It was it was actually. [TS]

  It was a really good conference I really enjoyed it like on type of where I went you [TS]

  and I were talking thinking oh this could be. Really challenging and difficult and that and. [TS]

  Actually it was a really it was really great experience [TS]

  and I met someone I met somebody kill Asli smart an accomplished paypal. I was the red post in the room anyway. [TS]

  So it sounds like it was all those conferences where they're just getting together a bunch of smart [TS]

  and interesting people in a room and brainstorming and seeing what happens. [TS]

  That's pretty much exactly what it was it was it was. [TS]

  It was throbbing just tough against the wall and and Brady stuff as well. [TS]

  There was the best kind of governance as though. And at the end we're everyone got up and did like pitches. [TS]

  Which is to the rest of the great to try and make the case for their ideas and that was that was it was good fun. [TS]

  I was like getting up and making a few jokes. Well I'm glad you had a good time. Brainstorming but I'm sorry. [TS]

  Your ideas didn't go down so well. [TS]

  The people running the company could keep everything so maybe who knows maybe in like a year [TS]

  or two one of those ideas will end up being a big thing and I'll be like What the heck. A nice. [TS]

  You would have read post noted my reunion Swan pen. Jamaican roster idea. [TS]

  Yeah without a doubt without a doubt I would have I would have read posted noted that but the people love their. [TS]

  Official unofficial official animals. Of the hello internet pod cast. I have seen many a fun. [TS]

  Photograph of someone wearing those T. [TS]

  Shirts in various locations around the world doing various things that stuff is always delightful to see and. [TS]

  Just the other day I got my rice rat and Jamaican Swan Pente shirt. So I now have them in my house. [TS]

  Freshly laundered and to be worn shortly for it [TS]

  and I've actually I've actually created like a little fight I gather isa paper wearing them as well so I will put that [TS]

  in the shots and you can go on the court how bunch of Paypal. I'm going to have to stop at some point. [TS]

  At the moment every time I see when I'm allowed that to the gallery and then I realize ing at what point. [TS]

  Well I just say OK that's enough pictures. Is this your team Rice right and teams want penned pages though. [TS]

  Yeah I think I gave him some not that. Yeah. Yeah. Don't pretend like you don't know you love. [TS]

  He loves stirring up a little bit of competition between the two sides. [TS]

  That's why they are on different pages team Rice has team rice and. It's one of us won't wrap course yeah. Right hand. [TS]

  Much. Yeah that's why you have those two different pages you like to you like to rile up the crowd a little bit. [TS]

  You're such an old man how your is get reunion Swan penned in Jamaican rice [TS]

  or mixed up with my dad could never say Beverly Hills nine zero two one zero he used to always say Are you watching [TS]

  that Beverly Hills. Know I know it's three eight. You said I'm like such an old man when you do that I have cut. [TS]

  Many more of me messing up trying to say the two second time that I couldn't make it into the podcast. [TS]

  So for every one time you hear me do this. I have done it at least five times. So in the in the. [TS]

  I did at the top of the show notes here in the follow up a possible corporate compensation corner. [TS]

  Who are the most exciting of the corners. It is I mean even though I get bored by this corner and and. [TS]

  And looking at it now I'm a bit reluctant to do it but I'll just give it. [TS]

  I'll just give an executive summary I don't how do you an executive summary of corporate compensation corner this is [TS]

  getting better and better. [TS]

  Yeah I feel like you need a white board in front of you right we can talk without circling back. Tabling discussions. [TS]

  Low hanging fruit. Yeah. My corporate compensation corner relates to ebay Mbaye now. I have a bad habit. [TS]

  Whenever I come to Berkeley of booking my ebay and paypal ice tonight. [TS]

  And I always during and all the good places a gone and I end up having to pick something I wish I didn't pick. [TS]

  I was really organized this time grass or he got in the story. I just want to remind the listeners. [TS]

  Hi there in case their new or just in case they forgot that the last time you were out there. [TS]

  You booked a place that ended up having. If I can remember correctly. [TS]

  A crazy woman with who had cats living in the apartment that peed all over the place that you were staying in some kind [TS]

  of hardball with this gets a friend ache [TS]

  and cats all over the place is it was is the impression that I had of your last a her body and B. Experience. [TS]

  That was actually my first Abby and the experience for a while ago [TS]

  and actually it was actually remains the nicest place I've ever stated that problem. [TS]

  Except But no it was actually a really nice house which any This one of the times. [TS]

  I stayed there a second time it was so no ice. It just want a woman in one of the rooms. Yeah. [TS]

  She kind of decided to keep a sickly kind of just out of squatting there [TS]

  when she wasn't supposed to be there anymore with her cat in a cat paid everywhere and it's a Raman Yeah. And yet. [TS]

  That's a whole other story. I just can't believe you ever decide you their BE IN be after that. [TS]

  If that was your first experience with me. [TS]

  I mean since then it's been I carry been again except I always booked a lie and I never get as nice a place. [TS]

  As I want to try never get quite the location I want so this time. I got in really early I planned ahead. [TS]

  I had soccer have my. My Pick of the best places in Berkeley. I picked one that I thought that really nice. [TS]

  And I was really looking forward to staying. What could possibly go wrong. And then two weeks before my trip.. [TS]

  I get contacted by the person saying. I'm canceling your stay. Can they do that on Air B.N. B. Yes they can. [TS]

  I guess they can obviously [TS]

  but is that within the terms of service I guess is what I mean like I'm in touch with some kind of compensation [TS]

  and stuff that we might come to an a minute. And also apparently then are allowed to then related to someone else. But. [TS]

  But this person who did this to me was perfectly upfront and set up nicely the person who's dying. [TS]

  Wants to stay for six months. [TS]

  Basically she got an offer she couldn't refuse right and right maybe she was doing a dodgy and doing it outside. A.B.M. [TS]

  Bait to get around this. You can't shop paypal thing. So I was really disappointed. [TS]

  I kind of understood because if someone offered me like a boatload of money and I just meant shafting one person. [TS]

  Maybe you would think. Carry out and I anyway I got done over. And I was really disappointed about a. [TS]

  I found another place which have checked into and. [TS]

  It's not as nice but it's fine and life goes on but it has taught me a few things about Ebay Mbaye. [TS]

  People are really passionate about Ebay Mbaye. It's a real has really zealous evangelists. [TS]

  And if you criticise ebay Embury. It's like talking about gun control or religion or something people. [TS]

  People get really upset when they negative things about ebay and day [TS]

  and not enough days I pay Paypal because one of the people he absolutely went on a rant about I went [TS]

  and looked at their Twitter account. [TS]

  And they seem to spend ninety percent of their time attacking random people who attack ebay. [TS]

  That was a really interesting thing for me it was off. I'm yet to encounter a brand that has such zealous. [TS]

  Advocates even today before the show up where I live a code to our listeners saying off anyone's got a good [TS]

  or a positive story about Abbie Mbaye. Let me know. No one is going to get. [TS]

  You know to take people's temperature and a few papers sent me the horror stories. [TS]

  But a lot more people sent me really long. [TS]

  Sort of advocacy a mouse full of telling me how great it was so it's a brand that a lot of people are really liking. [TS]

  But I'm having I'm having problems with it [TS]

  and I I think it's a really good example of the problems of the sharing economy. [TS]

  Yeah I think the sharing economy stuff is is divisive. Or polarizing. Yeah people and it seems like you like. [TS]

  I think we were time a trooper Last fall into this category of people have thoughts about over there. They love it. [TS]

  Like like I fall into that category or there's a continuum. [TS]

  But who really hate it and it seems like from your experience with Air B.N. B. It is doing the same thing. [TS]

  I've never used it for a bunch of reasons. But I can imagine that it would have the same the same reaction. [TS]

  The people who love it really love it. [TS]

  And that there might be some people who is like Oh it's awful and I hate it I never use it. [TS]

  I mean yes some people just seem to think that the sharing economy is you know the savior of civilization. [TS]

  Other people think it's like amateur hour and the end of the end of all you know professionalism [TS]

  and business we know it and and. [TS]

  I don't know where I fit in that but I do think the sharing economy has its problems I think the person and I and. [TS]

  It's funny to come from a cause of the two of us you would think on the person who's into more sort of you know. [TS]

  Personal relationship someone on one stuff there would be like Air B.N. B. Would be right up your alley. [TS]

  Yeah and of and as true of met some nice people as a result of an icon not that kind of like that [TS]

  but the sort of personal nature of it does take away the on personal nature of businesses that in some ways lets them [TS]

  handle problems better men and kind of their And you know. A big corporation or hotel chain is able to. [TS]

  While sometimes their personal service isn't good in otherwise they're able to do. [TS]

  Deal with the problem although I have. [TS]

  They have the size to do with a problem like if you've got a bad hotel room in a hotel for some reason. [TS]

  If a cat has weighed on the bed in a hotel. Move you to another room right. There are systems in place. [TS]

  It might be the with Describe it doesn't mean that they're great. [TS]

  But there's a there's a three ring binder somewhere which is filled with the D.N.A. Of the company and what to do. [TS]

  When something happens. That's partly why I haven't used. Air B.N. B. Is because I feel like when I travel. [TS]

  I'm really trying to optimize for consistency and to minimize downsides. [TS]

  I'm very happy to go to hotel where I think oh it's not going to be an amazing experience I know it's not going to be [TS]

  an amazing experience but I can also count on it not being it unexpectedly terrible experience. [TS]

  Like there isn't as gets a frantic with her cats. Across the hall from me. [TS]

  I will do almost anything to avoid that and so that's why I always feel like I have stayed away from Air B.N. B. [TS]

  For consistency's sake. [TS]

  But if I was ever doing what you're doing which is travelling to a location and you're going to be there for. [TS]

  For more time than you probably want to stay in a hotel room. [TS]

  That is almost certainly that the time I would give Air B.N. B. [TS]

  A tries Wellesley OK I'm going to be in some place for two weeks. [TS]

  Let me see if I can find a place that I actually want to stay in for two weeks. [TS]

  But I would be very nervous until I actually saw the room. Yeah. Explain to me as someone who has never used Air B.N. [TS]

  B. What do you perceive as the flaws like is is my perception. Correct or is there something else that's wrong with it. [TS]

  No I think what you say is it's a sort of a lack of consistency of not knowing what you're getting into. [TS]

  And there's always there's always personal problems like big. Because it's such a human thing. [TS]

  Because people letting at the individual house is such a human thing. There's always there's always a problem. [TS]

  You know how your friends have always got problems. It's a bit like that. [TS]

  You know the place you're staying always has a problem. Sorry Today's the day that. [TS]

  You know my mom has to come around and on the curtains and or of this doesn't work. [TS]

  And you never quite know what you're getting into a cause quite of no staying in the house of the person who's there [TS]

  with have or you're in a building attached to their house and right. [TS]

  It's just there's just a lot of this is always Will a stuff to do with and you hear from people who saw [TS]

  when stayed in a wonderful place in the enter [TS]

  and had the time a lot Brady had a you say anything bad about at the embassy. Every time I've stayed in Abuja may. [TS]

  There's been something. There's been enough. [TS]

  There's been something considerable that has you know as caused me a problem. But also also if I keep doing it. [TS]

  I keep coming back because the price is good and the advantages I outweighing the negatives. So I am to I am using a B. [TS]

  and B. Again. I've used to every time I've come to the equator this must be like seven or eight time of Donna. [TS]

  So I'm using it. They go check if I spread. How is the flag. Referendum going. The flag referendum. [TS]

  I'm so excited about this new thing that's what I still think it's one of the most exciting things we've done. [TS]

  Everyone has been sending us pictures. [TS]

  Putting their postcodes in post boxes from around the world will know I have absolutely loved. [TS]

  I love also that everyone's being really secretive about who they voted for like fellow is like obscure who they voted [TS]

  for with their hand or pixellated a up things like that. [TS]

  I know a lot as well it's like everybody's being really caught a have quite enjoyed of. [TS]

  I can't wait to get all the votes [TS]

  but kick the photos coming the absolute winner of the best photo is the person who sent their postcard from the post [TS]

  box in front of the muddy black stamp. [TS]

  Yes And you can see them putting in their postcard with the big their postcard with the building in the background that [TS]

  was fantastic. Yes and it was shot from an angle to make the mighty black stump look genuinely mighty. [TS]

  It's a low angle so it looks like a tremendous tower in the skyline. [TS]

  Like yeah like it or thank our something. [TS]

  but it's actually just a regular building I haven't been to the postbox because obviously. I'm not in the U.K. [TS]

  But I did a mouthing last night and I said. Have any postcards been coming in and they were like Yeah. [TS]

  I said I sickly your books is follow. [TS]

  And now we've just got a cardboard box on the ground that we're using to fill kick drilling it up I think I said over [TS]

  five hundred votes of come in sofa. That's pretty good. Yeah. But but keep them coming this is going to be awesome. [TS]

  And Gray and I'm going to go through every one of the postcards. I'm going to look at every picture. [TS]

  I can't wait to do the count. When we announced the referendum. We intentionally did not mention any deadline. [TS]

  This was a conscious decision to not mention it. [TS]

  Partly because you were going to be traveling were a bit uncertain like oh you know when [TS]

  when is Brady going to be able to get back [TS]

  and to count all of these these votes so we didn't want to say anything that might cut off when [TS]

  when someone was going to send the postcard. But the flip side to me is that is the. [TS]

  The mental image of this post box somewhere getting just overstuffed with postcards while you are away. [TS]

  I find it very entertaining mental image. A lot of people were very upset about the fact we didn't. [TS]

  And still haven't at this point. Firmly named a deadline at what point we weren't accept new postcards. [TS]

  On offer on a bit strange but I understand at some point we're going to have to say. [TS]

  And make it really clear that the vote is no longer open. [TS]

  And you know we would put that on the voting web page we would say. Don't send in your votes the vote is closed. [TS]

  But the fact we haven't said that yet people are so upset about it and that makes me a bit suspicious of them. [TS]

  As a teacher if you say an assignment. [TS]

  And then everyone just a midi said when he says gee [TS]

  when he says gee doesn't that just say the are they want to leave as late as possible and that they may have a slacker. [TS]

  Just. If you want to vote just said you vote as soon as possible and. What do you need a debt. [TS]

  If you if you say a deadline. That is just basically saying to Paypal. Be a procrastinator. You're But people. [TS]

  People know. People know they need deadlines. To motivate action. There's some portion of the population. [TS]

  That requires this. And I'm going to forget the details here but there's a there. [TS]

  There's an example of of a study like when you give students the option to set deadlines. [TS]

  Let's say at the university class. [TS]

  And you say others five essays that you need to complete in order to pass this class. [TS]

  You can either have them all do on the last day of class or. [TS]

  You can set your own deadline that you will fail that essay if you don't. Handed in by. And a huge number of students. [TS]

  Opt for the option to set their own deadlines. Spreading it out throughout the year which. [TS]

  Just from a purely rational perspective doesn't make any sense. [TS]

  Because in theory as I know you would want to give yourself the maximum amount of time to work on these essays. [TS]

  But people just know that like without a deadline and without a real consequence. [TS]

  That some people are just not going to do what they're going to leave it all until the last possible moment. [TS]

  So I think. [TS]

  I think you are hearing from the people who know that they want a deadline to motivate their own actions that's who [TS]

  you're hearing from was freaking out about when's the deadline. [TS]

  But there are plenty of people who obviously just won a vote straightaway [TS]

  and that's what we've been seeing on Twitter is all of the all of the postcards going into the post boxes around the [TS]

  world. [TS]

  What's more motivating there is the knowing there is a deadline because of course as a deadline because we have to [TS]

  count the votes some point. What's more motivating the knowing that is a deadline. [TS]

  But not knowing what the deadline is. [TS]

  I just I think that's not motivating for some people think because I think that's why you're hearing from them. [TS]

  They just give up hope and think are still probably miss a dirty rice I win by the. Yes some people just feel that way. [TS]

  Right it's just like a lack of knowledge. Leads to inaction. So we still. [TS]

  We have no answer for those people right now we still haven't. For complete decided. Nicely what we're going to do. [TS]

  But if you are hearing the sound of our voices and. You're the kind of person who needs a deadline. [TS]

  Let's just pretend that the deadline is the day after you hear this. This pod cast. Yeah it's not really the deadline. [TS]

  But we're going to pretend if that's what you need. [TS]

  That's what you need to to get your butt in gear and send in your post card for the hello internet flag referendum. [TS]

  Yeah. And you can't vote for this without going to the page because that's where the addresses. [TS]

  And if the vote is closed. It will be on the page at the top. [TS]

  That voting is closed so you're not you're going to send not know the voting was closed yet when you. [TS]

  When you take the address. You will say. Voting is closed. Yes. So that is hello internet dot F.M. Slash flag vote. [TS]

  Others say my other favorite thing about this referendum so far is. I've seen a number of comments. [TS]

  All of which are along the same lines of people saying how they have spent more time agonizing over this election than [TS]

  they have spent agonizing over the actual elections in the various countries where they live like we happen to do this [TS]

  right at the time. [TS]

  Canada was having an election [TS]

  and I've seen from a bunch of Canadians saying that there's been way more time thinking about the flag that they did [TS]

  about that election. [TS]

  Few other places around the world that had elections I've seen the similar things where people are like Man I'm just [TS]

  agonizing over these flags but I kept a political vote without even thinking about it. [TS]

  And also I don't want to talk about the specifics because if we talk about it. It will conflate the problem. [TS]

  But I do like the brain that little controversies breaking as where were people who say. [TS]

  Destroyed Navan Bay in the palm of this reason or there's this. [TS]

  You know this is insensitive or there are issues to do with this like like just like the New Zealand one. [TS]

  There's all these little pockets of controversy and things. So people are you know. [TS]

  You know shows even having like that election the silliest thing in the way you know a podcast flag you still have all [TS]

  your things will still get inflamed [TS]

  and controversial Exactly it's a microcosm of the bigger thing is precisely what it is. [TS]

  And my own my own final comment is. [TS]

  When talking about people who are indecisive over the flags and thinking thinking about it long and hard. [TS]

  I actually find myself in this category. Because when we recorded that episode. In my mind. [TS]

  I had no idea what the order was going to be. [TS]

  Not exactly but roughly I had a pretty good idea of how I was going to vote. [TS]

  But the instant the episode went live I found myself just filled with doubt and one certainty. [TS]

  And even now I keep thinking about my own vote how my going to vote I have thought about this so many times. [TS]

  I don't have a I don't have an idea in my own mind of how we're going to vote I might miss our own deadline. [TS]

  May not I thought. I honestly don't know what to fight for unless I'm really conflicted about it. Yeah. [TS]

  It's one of these things where as soon as it's real it's somehow different. [TS]

  And so it's like the instant it went up all of my certainty was was cast to the wind. Just good. [TS]

  Now I'm now I am entirely unsure about what do. [TS]

  Why do you care the euro is the guy who's like a one vote cut my Could difference anyway. So I care because it's fun. [TS]

  Obviously the one vote doesn't matter. But it's a fun thing to do. [TS]

  And I feel like I should probably vote in my own election. Or maybe I should abstain. [TS]

  Maybe it's like the queen right she's not allowed to vote in the elections maybe I shouldn't vote in this election [TS]

  maybe you shouldn't vote in this election. [TS]

  You consider yourself more like the queen than the president of hello internet. Yes. I think I am C.D.P. [TS]

  Gray the queen of hello internet. Yeah. There we go. I'll take lean and find. What are you. [TS]

  What are you Brady or what do you think of yourself as court jester. You're the court jester. Now works. [TS]

  Now I don't know what I am I would be I'd like to be. [TS]

  I'd like to be something that colder than that I'd like to be a lot. [TS]

  Maybe you're the queen and I'm you're hard as nails not. He like goes ingests. [TS]

  I'm thinking more like in a deck of cards the jack. But I don't ever really know what the jack is. [TS]

  Yeah but he looks had doesn't and he's got sort of the stuff he does. I'll take that I'll be the jack. [TS]

  What does the Jack do. If you're the Quene. If you are the queen of hello internet. [TS]

  And you're in a deck of cards what would you pay if you're a suit. What would you pay. Just in general what Sochi. [TS]

  Do you feel like best represents your. Spade. Yeah out of sets bad for you. I'm not pretty enough to be the. [TS]

  The Queen of Hearts. You seem like a club kind of guy I know all the time on. I think diamonds. I'd like to be. [TS]

  I wish you'd said diamonds. I'm sorry I didn't say diamonds but it never logs I've never liked the clubs. [TS]

  I just think they're bit. Flattery and curvy I just time. I want to be a diamond. [TS]

  OK we can say it we can say that you're the diamonds if that's what you like. [TS]

  Although I do that the idea of being a black once I can wish maybe it. Like a black diamond. Black Diamond. [TS]

  With that but now you're just making up things. [TS]

  You know you're a let's be honest if I was going to be any cat I'd like to be the draw for from you know. [TS]

  The what I don't know know. [TS]

  The draw for cotton a nice like I still get excited when I say one because if you get one it's a really powerful to. [TS]

  You know applies when I was an OK. [TS]

  We should play to know sometimes I have no idea I don't like I don't play games but I know you are you are just. [TS]

  Here's the thing. OK. Listeners if you've the background you need to know about this. [TS]

  There have been several incidences at conference where Brady inferi could play a board game. [TS]

  But he always backs down he always says no I'm not going to play a board game. [TS]

  And your reasoning if I can try to say it for you is that you get to intense. About the rules of the board game. [TS]

  That and winning. Yes. [TS]

  Winning but also that there are people who are sometimes wanting to play fast and loose with the with the rules [TS]

  or they're trying to optimize for like oh it's everybody have a good time and that's have fun and. [TS]

  You know that when you play you can't deal with that is that is a correct assessment. Yes. OK So here's the thing. [TS]

  This is precisely why I would want to play a game with you because I can never stand it [TS]

  when people are like oh you know whatever is out the rule most the time we like know. We have to follow the rules. [TS]

  This is why the rules are here. This game. [TS]

  This game makes no sense unless we're following rules like that that is the whole thing that it is if there are no [TS]

  rules. What are we even doing. We're just having a magine every play time together. You can't can't just do this stuff. [TS]

  But it's a lose lose great because say you and I were to sit down and play a game together. [TS]

  There are only two things that are going to happen on. I'm going to win. And then I'm going to feel a lot. Well. [TS]

  What's the point of that was supposed to have fun all of down there is bait my might and might my my Loza [TS]

  or the other option is. I'm going to lose. [TS]

  And I'm going to hit that even more because I was sitting in space to be having fun and I've just become a loser. [TS]

  So I like i'm a loser whether a widow lose. I guess the problem is I think that. [TS]

  Fun can be derived from following the rules precisely of the game. [TS]

  And there just seems to be many many bored players who just agree. [TS]

  Who they're trying to optimize for fun first and bend the rules to their fun. As I know. Following the rules is fun. [TS]

  I love. [TS]

  I love that you just like following rules just that I did a I made a film with a friend of mine who actually lives in [TS]

  San Francisco. And he's like a game developer. [TS]

  And I was talking to him about when he was a child what he was in toto I think he'd be a computer program. [TS]

  And one of the things he used to do was a little kid was make. [TS]

  Like the instruction book or the god like pretend games that he would like to make and he couldn't make the game [TS]

  and you know the game with the like but he would just like making like the row book and instructions for the game. [TS]

  This because he loved. Game rules so much. I imagine you would like that just making up. Instruction books. Rule books. [TS]

  Yeah. I didn't. I never did that. That kind of thing. But when I was much younger I played. [TS]

  Not Dungeons and Dragons but there was a game called heroes Quest. Which is basically like a baby's first. [TS]

  Dungeons and Dragons. And in that game I always took the role of the Dungeon Master. [TS]

  Which means that it was my responsibility to design the board and the level through which the other players would move. [TS]

  And I always found it very appealing so I think that in the same universe of on the playing the game. [TS]

  But I'm setting out. [TS]

  All of the spaces through which the other players are going to move unlike what traps are going to be where [TS]

  and what creatures are going to be where. And having to do it in in such a way so that it is it is fair. [TS]

  So that hopefully the players win [TS]

  but they feel like it was a challenge that I think that that isn't the same universe of this. [TS]

  Let me tell you some other stories about games [TS]

  when die how could talk for a long time about games eyes to play as a kid that in the fight that I think we're really [TS]

  picky. But. But we haven't follow up sorry but a crack on the he has a self. This does all up. [TS]

  I still say Brady you and I split in games. Yeah. Sort something out. Just a really quick update out. [TS]

  The heart stopper. Where nice. Ssion raising money for the children's Ben's trust has ended. It's S. [TS]

  Out for very impressed. A somewhat impressive. Nine hundred twenty pounds. For Africa chair of a reunion Swan So. [TS]

  One very generous by will be receiving that signed by us and and. We have very grateful. They have raised. [TS]

  Heart stopper awareness and they've also raised a boat load of money for a really good cause. [TS]

  Thank you very much and also. [TS]

  I also credit page where people could just make donations to the children's been stressed in the name of heart stopper [TS]

  awareness if they chose to and some people have been doing that as well and both Grant I really appreciate that [TS]

  and that more be going to them soon. [TS]

  And also what I want to do now is I want to talk to maybe we'll talk to the the the bank of hello internet [TS]

  or whoever does our banking for us and. [TS]

  I need a giant check there because obviously I was going to electronically transfer this money to the children's [TS]

  parents trust. But I want to. [TS]

  We need a giant check for public city for say we could really increase the pressure on on Starbucks. [TS]

  So we need to let you know. [TS]

  We need we need hard copy photos of of these giant checks and on hundred twenty pounds [TS]

  and heart stopper awareness written on it so if anyone knows where we can get one of those giant checks they use for [TS]

  charity auctions and stuff. Let me know I'm in the market for him we are making you know now giant shack. From. [TS]

  I mean they come from somewhere right. [TS]

  Well that is stunted up out there by printing companies surely [TS]

  but I always assumed that they were real that those things are legitimate There's no yeah I mean the whole. [TS]

  If you ever look into how checks work with all these crazy rules around what is Little do then let's just let Jack. [TS]

  That's that's talk to a bank yeah bank that's why I'm making a making note of it I want to see if we can get a gigantic [TS]

  legitimate Jack. Happy amazing. And law. [TS]

  Then we'll see if that to see if we can handed over to someone outside of style exercise like I'm going to [TS]

  or I can already hear my bank manager getting your IT hit by this request. One last bit of a follow up. Yeah. C.D.P. [TS]

  Gray the penguin. Oh yes. We have never actually known the gender of C G P Gray the penguin. [TS]

  This is the penguin that Bristol so that is named after grey in his honor. [TS]

  As a little thank you for our fundraising efforts there. [TS]

  But it's not until a penguin is about six months old [TS]

  or sorry that they do the tests to find out if it is a boy penguin or a gale penguin. The penguin sexing. Yes. [TS]

  I now know the gender of say Gee big red penguin. Oh yeah you know all this in suspense here Brady. [TS]

  I'm trying is it working. [TS]

  I feel like we win either way though I got another a knot on a I'm not on a particular team here. [TS]

  But we we were referring to you is the queen of hello internet a moment ago. And I'm here to announce that C.D.P. Grey. [TS]

  It's a go. Well are are that night they we go I said that that famous penguin. Bearing your name is a lady penguin. [TS]

  A nice little lady penguin. [TS]

  I hope you like the name seed if you VERY heavy feel about the show if you know your place for that. [TS]

  Yeah yeah of course I am and also if it's a girl it's just funny or this way. The girls I'm going to name the G.P. [TS]

  Great. So I think it out I think is totally oh in there again it's a go. Yeah. So people can go visit her in the zoo. [TS]

  Do that more advice to follow as and when they come in sometimes. The snooze. There are going to dance is you. [TS]

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  Get back leaves and protect your data. Today. Now. I don't know if you saw this Liberia stuff dry. [TS]

  But a pop up want to podcasts ago I sprung a flag on you that you will asked to look at and kind of review on the spot. [TS]

  The cypress lega. That was a surplus flag. As a result. [TS]

  We've been contacted by someone who asked you to cast an eye not over the flag of Liberia. [TS]

  Which is a perfectly serviceable flag. But the Liberia County flags. Now. Have you saying that the Liberia. [TS]

  County flags yet. From the button. No I have. I mean to I'm. I was typing into Google right now. [TS]

  But no I have not seen them so I have been pressing here and if you are like I say if you go to Flag of Liberia [TS]

  and look at Paideia. [TS]

  At the at the top you say the Liberian flag looks a lot like the American flag except A has one star instead of fifty. [TS]

  Right. But if you scroll down you will see the county flags of Liberia. Now I thought this was a joke. [TS]

  You obviously know who and I think this is this is worthy of people's time. [TS]

  Just to have a look at the Liberia is apparently subdivided into fifteen counties. [TS]

  Each of which has a sign fleg these oversea like states. You know things like that. H. [TS]

  County flag Bez the national flag of Liberia in the Canton seven the top corner he see like a miniature version of [TS]

  their flag. And then obviously they're free to do what they want with the rest. These are awful things are. [TS]

  It is extraordinary what these people have done. I would like to say they have used clipper. [TS]

  But I don't know where you would find clip of that bat. Yeah that's. [TS]

  That's the best waited to describe this are all of the flag have the already very busy Liberia flag up in the corner. [TS]

  Up in the corner very small I might add. So we're looking it looks it looks odd. The proportions of it. [TS]

  If you think if you think of for example the current New Zealand flag. That has the Union Jack in the upper corner. [TS]

  It's maybe half that size. [TS]

  It just it almost looks like a stamp on on the wrong side of a post like that it looks like a little potent menu [TS]

  or something sitting up there in the corner. Yeah. Yeah. So they all have it in the corner. [TS]

  Except as I'm scrolling through. Just one of them. Grand Cape mount. County. [TS]

  Doesn't put it in the corner like everybody else. They have a little bit away from the corner. So it's always great. [TS]

  Not even consistent with everybody. Good job there. Grand Cape MT County. Yeah. [TS]

  They're just it's so i'm sorry i'm struggling to describe this for someone who's just listening in audio form. [TS]

  It's basically like a child. Using M S paint. [TS]

  Yeah you know even if it and not even one he's very good at it like an unusually unusually. [TS]

  To Stickley untalented child using M S paint to draw pictures. Yeah. [TS]

  I think that that's that is exactly right it is every one of these things is childish. [TS]

  In a way that is quite surprised I mean. OK So let me let me try to me. I'm going to play on this about here Greg. [TS]

  Yeah I'm going to put you on the spot. I'm going to lay down the challenge here now for you to name. [TS]

  Which when you think is the worst. And beautifully there actually is a county code Maryland county in Liberia. [TS]

  And their flag is is a candidate for worst in the worst in the bunch. So. But don't let that pass you. Others but. [TS]

  OK let me just try to scribe something for the listeners here and I'll take the Maryland county flag as an example. OK. [TS]

  So one thing I will paint a beautiful audio picture for your listeners. Of this disaster in front of me. [TS]

  Let's hear your flag in the upper left hand. Tiny corner. Yeah. The flag is is divided. [TS]

  It's like a tri color in horizontally right so there's three horizontal stripes. The top on the bottom one or yellow. [TS]

  The middle one isn't a stripe though it's just a picture. OK So there's like. [TS]

  There's a picture of a I'm presuming it's a lighthouse. [TS]

  That someone has drawn the windows on the lighthouse are an even. [TS]

  One of them is touching the top in a way that wouldn't possibly work. The very tip of the lighthouse. [TS]

  Is floating above the lighthouse a bit. A bit like the eye on the U.S. [TS]

  One dollar bill like it floats on the top of the pyramid it kind of looks like that [TS]

  and then presumably they've drawn lines coming out from the lighthouse I presume are supposed to be the light itself. [TS]

  But they're all honey even some of them are joined at the base. Something the heart and. [TS]

  And so this lighthouse is all white. It's on a green hill. Thank you. Yes. Maybe but the green is very bright is it. [TS]

  It makes you think of M S paint because it's like [TS]

  when you select the default colour green in a painting to us like this green is just a green that doesn't look good on [TS]

  anything or no one should use this colour green. [TS]

  But is the default colour green for everything you ever do on a computer. OK. [TS]

  Next to this lighthouse and twenty five percent larger than it is the tree like a like a sort of a palm tree esque [TS]

  but not quiet times. OK so a magine a child has drawn a tree. And they've made it look saggy. [TS]

  So it has Leave that are coming down. The thing that amazes me is the drawing is just flat colors. [TS]

  Except one part of the drawing is shaded which is on the tree part. [TS]

  They've they've shaded in the bottom of the tree so that the leaves are. [TS]

  I guess they're trying to make the leave look around. But nothing else on the drawing is shaded. [TS]

  And then in the background is a just flat blue sky. There which again is a horrible color blue. [TS]

  That doesn't go with the green of the ground. And remember listener. [TS]

  This is just a one third of the flag size strip in the middle. Above and below is bright bright yellow. [TS]

  And there's also another flag on the top. It's hopeful. You're picking such minutiae to criticize as well. [TS]

  I mean you think it's because like you can't take in the whole thing at once like is just too much I'm trying to think [TS]

  about how to describe this this is amazing. [TS]

  It's like the president of Liberia asked his like ten year old kid to design some flags and put them up on the fridge. [TS]

  And then someone said. Actually what do we make them the actual flags. Yeah. I mean these are these are just. [TS]

  And I love how the Liberia flag [TS]

  and the can tone in the left corner like doesn't quite fill up the whole yellow section. [TS]

  That looks like it should but yeah quite Yeah. It doesn't. I mean this just jumping over. Is another. [TS]

  There's another one with trees on it which is River geeky County flag that. That is my. [TS]

  I think that that's in my top two worst. OK. [TS]

  But this has what is literally the exact tree that every kindergartner in the world draws where you have a trunk. [TS]

  And then there is there is a green. Cloud shape. On the top of the trunk. And there's the three of these trees. [TS]

  I hear you have to look at this flag you have to look at the flag of river G. or Rigby County in Liberia. [TS]

  You have to stop the pod cause now. You have to. [TS]

  If you don't have the Internet you have to walk into the nearest shop or whatever your knee M.C.I. Place. [TS]

  Police can I use your internet. And look at the flag of riff icky. County in Iberia. Right now. Yeah. [TS]

  I mean the there's a hill there's three trees on this hill. [TS]

  Or one of the things that I like here is the tree on the top. They didn't even draw it entirely on the ground. [TS]

  So the way it works is there's a tiny bit of sky poking below which should be the roots of the tree. [TS]

  Because they just didn't drop low enough to the ground. Again like when a kindergartener draw a stick figure people.. [TS]

  And they're just floating above the actual ground they're not X. The not touching the ground. [TS]

  I mean this is a joke great it is like someone taking the Mickey has someone hacked his son because flag of libraries [TS]

  clubs. [TS]

  No one would look like a compass and that the green of the leaves of the tree is exact same grain as what the hill [TS]

  and because one of the trade is on the Hill. Right. You can save. [TS]

  And then there's a river flowing which is like a hand drawn River which is flowing like from the trunk of one of the [TS]

  trees. Yes. It's the. [TS]

  These are they are so bad but perfectly [TS]

  but not bad like Maryland where you know it hits the Marilyn point like oh this is amazing. [TS]

  This is just crap like he's just absolute crap there's no way. There's no other way to describe it. But. [TS]

  I honestly hope this is just masterful trolling. [TS]

  That this is just a joke and that yes someone did this because the flag of Liberia wiki page. [TS]

  Probably doesn't have a whole lot of people really on top of it to make sure that nothing like this gets lived in then [TS]

  going to China for a secondary So this is what I was just opening up my own web browser like an OK you know like [TS]

  Liberia. If we have been taken for a ride. [TS]

  This is the best ride of ever been on very nicely I'm saying some of them in other sources but they kind of also like. [TS]

  Sometimes they're a bit different but still bat. [TS]

  Because it says on the wiki page article that they do fly at this rate. [TS]

  You can see them flying it like this some palace and I'm now saying photo of them of lying. I think this is rare. [TS]

  It's amazing. [TS]

  That's amazing that special [TS]

  and looking through some pictures here looks like other people have cottoned on to the joy of these in the past as well. [TS]

  So do yourself a favor. Check out the county flags of Liberia gray. [TS]

  We're going to throw out there is the worst I think the worst comes down to three there are three candidates for worst [TS]

  in my opinion. There are also bad it's that. [TS]

  It all are in fact I show us river GA river GA I think has to has to perhaps get it. But. But Bony County. [TS]

  The first one that I think you could make a strong case for that one as well. [TS]

  And you could also make a strong case for goodbye. Polo. [TS]

  County which is the bomb with the diamond in the flesh and a tray which is just bad. [TS]

  In in in many ways that the others haven't quite accomplished as well. [TS]

  Like it has a very special special levels of badness. [TS]

  I can honestly say I am just overwhelmed looking at these I find this impossible to select among. [TS]

  It's almost like someone serving up. Several plates. Each with a turd on them and they want and. [TS]

  He didn't like pick which one is the worst to eat that well they're all terrible. [TS]

  Oh oh what I've small like I'm saying which one of the unwilling to a turd is so bad to that you weren't ate it [TS]

  and you're all I want to be ready to. [TS]

  The only one of looking at here is is Sino County which is on the bottom is a flag that under normal circumstances I [TS]

  would probably make fun of. But it seems like it is a glorious bastion of good design. [TS]

  Yes And I think as a second option here there's grand Bassett County. [TS]

  Another flag that I would totally make fun of under any other circumstances. Media which just looks amazing. [TS]

  There just a guy that the guy that is our insider counties let the Jony Ive of Liberia. [TS]

  For the listener it's just the Liberia flag in the corner and then it's. It's just a green cross. Across the flag. [TS]

  And the grand past the county. One is a blue background and then there's a couple of red and white stripes on it. Well. [TS]

  It's awful but it looks amazing in comparison. They sack right site there of trick. Yeah. [TS]

  Listeners you do you do have to go. Look at these. [TS]

  If you're listening in Liberia and want to share more information with us maybe maybe make the case for them. I mean. [TS]

  I mean it's a completely different culture to what grade are from. [TS]

  I mean maybe in sort of Liberian culture the some the something about Liberian visual culture. [TS]

  That makes these a real trait. And these have gone through years of iterations and that they are the pinnacle of. [TS]

  I mean that is just an ass of the Brady That is just not possible if you look at look at the law for the county one. [TS]

  The one that had to decide. This embodied arm holding was holding like a rod of some golden thing. [TS]

  Across the river right. It's holding a cylinder. But here's the things that someone has done a three D. [TS]

  Gradient effect on the cylinder. Gradient. Always excellent on flags by the way I see who they just look amazing. [TS]

  But the gradient has spilled over onto the fingers. That are holding on to the cylinder. [TS]

  There's no way that this is a refinement of anything. This is just astounding. This is astounding. [TS]

  This is like the opposite universe version of the Japanese prefecture flags that's what this is they really good at I [TS]

  the Japanese. I have think of saying that good. And yeah. [TS]

  You will have seen the very good this is yeah this is that this is the reverse of that. [TS]

  Probably not the best way to calm down but let's do a better listener corner. Yeah what's in listener corner. [TS]

  I've been getting loads and loads of messages and photos of Paypal [TS]

  and because I'm on the road it's been a bit hard to get organized so I will revisit revisit your emails again soon. [TS]

  But I thought I'd share just a couple that have caught my eye some recently some less recent. [TS]

  So this picture has been sent to us by. Dana Dana says. [TS]

  Hello Internet was an invaluable companion to me on my recent months alone Trek street the desert of Kenya for which I [TS]

  thank you both. [TS]

  Although I had other pod casts only listening to hello internet could make the six hour walk through the scorching hate [TS]

  to feel more like three hour walk from the coaching hate. It was also a. [TS]

  Trysting in very conversations in English as most of my traveling companions were more comfortable speaking their [TS]

  native language of Swahili. I believe Dana who is a university student from Canada. Was in was in Kenya. [TS]

  With a small organization or helping them understand. Family Planning and birth control. [TS]

  The better in sort of some of the more underserved areas of Kenya. [TS]

  So she was there for a really good cause [TS]

  but the picture she has sent us is of her holding her phone Klang hello internet. [TS]

  And there's a bunch of camels behind her and she's in the desert. [TS]

  And I think the security or some setting to say say yes and. Yeah it's a really great photo if she's at the. [TS]

  Look like she's at the head of the camel train. [TS]

  And the big camels looming right behind us listening to hello internet it's really good photo I really like this. [TS]

  She says that that's a picture of her on the last day of a trip listening to hello internet. [TS]

  She says Brady given your adventurous inclinations I really think it enjoys a similar experience. Gray. I'm not sure. [TS]

  You need to be told this. But I would not recommend that you travel through the doors of Kenya. [TS]

  There are no nice hotels there. The man that was are my lists. But if a listen. Is that it's not a good idea. [TS]

  I have been to Kenya. And I will rise what it were you in Kenya doing. [TS]

  Well I I went on a safari there in the mess I'm era and. [TS]

  I did it quite luxury Asli I stayed in that really posh luxuries tents [TS]

  and I had a really good experience there I was not walking through a desert for six hours so that I could go to [TS]

  undersell communities and takes them about family planning. [TS]

  I think Dana will probably be going to heaven and I would not. But I have been to. I have been to Kenya. [TS]

  But I would I did not do in a particularly adventurous or heart is now why. Which Dana definitely did. Dana. [TS]

  You are today as hard as nails person. Here's another picture from a viewer. This comes from Jesse. [TS]

  I am a listener hello internet pod cast that you do with C G P grade which is handed to you don't think you just think [TS]

  I do know how they are in today's But I like a light that you explained. And recently talked about code. [TS]

  Your listeners do as well as you being tough as nails. [TS]

  Jesse says I'm a college football player at Bloomsburg University in the United States. [TS]

  And I regularly some to the the podcast during injury treatment or cardio. [TS]

  Recently I was injured in one of our games and when I went down I thought to myself I need to be hard as nails here. [TS]

  So Breda you managed to get me up. And after a nasty injury and recompose myself. Now be able to listen to more. [TS]

  While I get treated for the injury. And and he and Jesse said a picture of him in the locker room in his kit. [TS]

  He does the card is nice. Yeah he's looking very serious in the photograph. And he's holding. [TS]

  He's holding his fine playing how Internet as an awesome fighter jets see you also a heart is now as we have a little [TS]

  heart of this and today I'm feeling particularly unheard today. [TS]

  Here [TS]

  but you are the inspiration for some of this hardness BRADY Yeah I have I can now I can now sort of soften up a bit knowing [TS]

  that I've done my job right turn here job acting as a beacon for Africa. [TS]

  As an ambassador if they really knew how and how I was that overeat they'd be a lot of disillusioned people. [TS]

  This is a very special one just for you Greg. [TS]

  I'm going to send you a third picture that has been said to us by hello internet listener [TS]

  and I won't tell you what this is. [TS]

  But I think you may know the person who sent this has said that they have sent it from a historical podcast landmark. [TS]

  They believe this to be a hello internet landmark will see if you agree. [TS]

  Hello Internet landmark or historical landmark. [TS]

  Well historical hello internet let me know historical hello internet landmark. Yeah.. [TS]

  It was fifty episodes love now we can have historical M.X. No I guess we can. I guess we can. [TS]

  What am I looking at all I know exactly where they are. [TS]

  I know where they are there on one of the ads that Dulles Airport that's where this photograph was taken for I say. [TS]

  I would recognize that a horrible horrible. [TS]

  Space anywhere in the world where lots of people are packed in lots of poles to lean against. [TS]

  While the giant tank of the construction shuttles you around the airport. Anthony says. [TS]

  I'm sure this is no average no but I found into Tang that [TS]

  when I went to the dreaded Dulles Airport for the first time I was listening to the podcast [TS]

  and I entered into the famed at Paypal move his. [TS]

  It was such an honor to say this historical part because that much money has held up his phone. [TS]

  Showing the podcast applying amongst all the crowd of people in the at that I can recognize that from even just a tiny [TS]

  corner of the room for a size look at what the good stuff. Brady. [TS]

  Are going to do the bi weekly weigh in we are now the. [TS]

  I haven't got Sky was made but we were going to record this episode the other day. [TS]

  And we had to cancel at the last minute for various reasons. [TS]

  And I had weighed myself that day which was four or five days before funny remember when it lost. [TS]

  So I think we decided we were going to use the whites from that day. [TS]

  Yeah as opposed to the whites now because I think my wife might have gotten up some loose ends because I've been [TS]

  indulging in New York. So there's my weekly weigh in definitely is a bit of a historical one. For practical reasons. [TS]

  In that. [TS]

  It's more difficult to consistently weigh yourself while you are travelling [TS]

  and we have the weight measurement just before you left. And then all of the just for practical reasons of. [TS]

  Maybe we'll just do the next weigh in when you come back from America and see see what the damage done is dilute. [TS]

  Looky loos right back in time to [TS]

  when we were so sad last Saturday was it will move is going to record which was what it was that was that would have [TS]

  been there twenty fourth of October. And our previous measurement was on the tenth of October. Before I can. [TS]

  So how did you do in that period of time Brady. I again went down. [TS]

  Oh yeah and in that period I went down by one point two kilograms. Hey Very good very good breeding. Thank you and you. [TS]

  I'm pretty comparable to you. I went down one point six kilograms. Sob lightly ahead. Sorry. [TS]

  Is very close and of course in real measurements. That is minus three point five pounds. [TS]

  The way that works in nice way to a measurement. We both did well. [TS]

  Yeah I have to say I have to say we're both doing well I think. There's been a good streak for us. [TS]

  Of consistent down measurements and. I have now. [TS]

  I've crossed the boundary of of like being under two hundred ten pounds I'm actually just now kind of hovering around [TS]

  two zero five two zero six and. I've been seeing this on the scale. [TS]

  But there was something that happened which finally made some of the weight loss feel really real. [TS]

  Which was I was walking around one day [TS]

  and I realized I put my watch is just so loose like I do not like having a loose watch it all I always like having the [TS]

  watch rather tight and I realize that I had actually lost. Anough weight that I needed to take a link. [TS]

  Out of my apple watch and how that was just one of those moments with my poise feels really. [TS]

  This feels really real like I know that the composition of my body is actually changing [TS]

  and I'm actually feeling pretty good. But that that is definitely much more real when. [TS]

  When something like that happens. That's nice man has some nice Mastan Wotan Yeah and you won and. [TS]

  So I'm happy to move on to the next topic now. He shouldn't talk about shirts we thought Sure. Go in that. [TS]

  Baking it was just I'm just being a bad loser. So I believe it. You know being about the that we both win. [TS]

  And besides if anyone actually know. Because these points. Show someone's got some spreadsheet going somewhere. [TS]

  Yeah you know what I like I have no idea what the points are that somebody some nerd out there has to be keeping track [TS]

  of the spreadsheet so he didn't read it whoever whoever is actually been following from the beginning how are doing [TS]

  with his base there's been that many exceptions have yet some things that I don't think there actually is like a score [TS]

  shape I think it's just basically at some. It's more just like one off moments of glory rather than a long term. [TS]

  Right you know. But the latter is I'm sure someone out there is keeping track of things. [TS]

  But one of the things that has been on my mind is. I have seen. [TS]

  Anough feedback from people who are joining in with us on this. [TS]

  Hello Internet fiddle thon fit marathon thing that we're doing here this weight loss I thought. Come on. [TS]

  That's terrible. OK which is why it's my job to invent words. No I says I'm amazing at inventing words. OK. [TS]

  Them sorry I'm sorry you didn't like it last cast. [TS]

  Light last because I'm trying to I'm trying to come up with something has got podcasting and in NY. [TS]

  If the hello internet. Fit a Tron five thousand that's what we're doing to try to fit a Tron five thousand. That. [TS]

  There we go right. And I don't think this machine that is the hello internet fit a Tron five thousand. [TS]

  There are many people who want to get on board. This contraption. Yeah. [TS]

  Like there's a guy I know who was who I saw talking to the great health bot saying that he's in a race to try to beat [TS]

  me to two hundred pounds. [TS]

  And I just I've been hearing from a bunch of people who have taken this on board as a time to try to get more healthy. [TS]

  In their lives in one way or another whether it's losing weight or exercising more. And so I thought. [TS]

  Let's let's make this official. In some way. It's the official Lefkow of hell or internet. [TS]

  I didn't realize what I had just walked into there. [TS]

  Yes well I like the idea of trying to do something official about it even though now I'm just realizing that it is yet [TS]

  another official thing with the pod cast and. [TS]

  So I try things like what can we do and at least at the very start of this. [TS]

  We've decided that we are putting up a hello internet. Exercise shirt. Yeah. This is this is team. Hello Internet. [TS]

  Fit a Tron five thousand is it too late for you to push for it to try to five thousand. [TS]

  Dust under the leg or their I think you have tonight [TS]

  or any of the Late Show with that look that way because you would wear that it's not like embarrassing because it's [TS]

  just a little secret. You got to do that. [TS]

  Yeah you think you should put fit a trance five thousand and three that oh yeah yeah. [TS]

  So you can get your official hello internet. [TS]

  Fit a drone five thousand exercise patience to show sort of solidarity so [TS]

  when you're out on your run no sweat in the gym. You can just look down and think fit a Tron five thousand. [TS]

  Yes said you're not doing this alone. That there are other people out there in the world. Listening to the pond can. [TS]

  Who are also taking this. This moment into their hands and deciding. Yes. I'm getting on board and. [TS]

  I am going to increase my health. Whatever that may mean in your personal circumstances. If you want to lose weight. [TS]

  If you want to work out more. Whatever it is that you're trying to do. There is a hello internet. [TS]

  Fit a Tron five thousand. Team. Shirt for exercising in and podcast go along with exercising. [TS]

  So maybe you will be wearing the hello internet exercise shirt. While listening to hello internet podcast. [TS]

  While feeling the burn [TS]

  or some fifty episodes ago there's no way you would have just made up something for to turn five thousand [TS]

  and then a GREAT to slip on a tape show. Within eight seconds. [TS]

  If anything has changed about you were during the part gust. It is that you brought out my wild side Brady and. [TS]

  OBGYN when I want to put it on five thousand shit. I hope people do decide to take this moment on board. [TS]

  I mean maybe just because I'm feeling like I really have crossed a bit of a like a milestone really can feel different [TS]

  like I know it when I when I first started talking about losing the weight. You know. [TS]

  I was low energy and I was not feeling really good. [TS]

  But from the time that we started getting really serious about this. I'm down ten pounds in total. [TS]

  And it's enough that I can really feel like it has actually made a difference [TS]

  and I'm really glad that I have done this. And as I expected my energy levels have largely even doubt. [TS]

  Since the beginning. So I'm feeling really positive I feel like I am on the other side of this. [TS]

  Like I went through it like a difficult time and I've lost some weight and I'm feeling really good and. [TS]

  If I can lose like six more pounds that will be absolutely amazing if I can get under two hundred like that I'll be [TS]

  just unbelievable. But some feeling really positive about this and I genuinely hope that other people listening. [TS]

  Take this moment. To decide that they too want to try to get more healthy. [TS]

  Like don't don't do the thing that you're tempted to do which is tell yourself. [TS]

  I'm going to wait until New Years to do that now. That's that's a sucker's game. [TS]

  Right is postponing this kind of stuff. That is not the free to try to five thousand the way. [TS]

  It is not the finish on five thousand right. [TS]

  In some ways this is a very hard time to start this thing but you know what. It's always going to be a hard time. [TS]

  We're going into holidays. Whatever it's only hard. When it's hard. [TS]

  So I'm really I'm really hoping that some people do decide to take this up again exercise shirts. [TS]

  Get your butt to the gym. Join the team cry that was Aaron motional moment for app montage as well. Yeah. [TS]

  We talked about how you know I am really serious and on. This is made a difference. [TS]

  Now you feel now when we get up to one hundred episodes we can have. We can have the montage of people looking fit. [TS]

  If used to be doing a hundred. Hash tag finish on five thousand. [TS]

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  And my collaboration with gray. I decided to download the audiobook. Fifty shades of grey. [TS]

  Not something I would normally have done. Now this is a book for grown ups it is not for a younger listeners. [TS]

  And even for adult listeners. I'm not entirely sure this would be one I would recommend. I'm about eight chapters in. [TS]

  So I can't speak to the whole book. But here are some reasons I think maybe you should listen to it. [TS]

  Now number one is the title character is cold grey. And he's often referred to just as gray. [TS]

  Now this always brings a smile to my face. And in fact. Times he's even referred to by his initials C.T. Gray. [TS]

  The character of gray is bit of a control freak. He has an office in a huge glass steel building. [TS]

  He runs this thing called Grey enterprises holdings. It is very fun to listen to if you're a friend or fan of say G.P. [TS]

  Gray I've often found myself laughing out loud picturing him as the main character. [TS]

  The second reason is this is a very famous book it's been made into a movie. [TS]

  It has sequels it's out a boatload of copies. It's really entered popular culture. [TS]

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  And more appropriate for the younger ones. [TS]

  It's also read by Hannah herself I think she does a really great job it's always good to hear a book read by its author [TS]

  and Hannah has a really fantastic broadcasting voice. [TS]

  You can actually hear a little preview if you go to the lot of the website before you've even committed to buy [TS]

  or signed up to order bill or anything so maybe go check it out. That's the mathematics of love. [TS]

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  Now to decide if I'm actually going to. If the shades of gray. Oh nothing maybe I'm not on tonight. [TS]

  So the next topic is the thing we have to talk about the everyone wants to talk about even Paypal have been making the [TS]

  last few days of one of me to talk about to them in person. And I just can't be bothered with it. I know. [TS]

  I know exactly what you mean. [TS]

  The the elephant in the room for this episode is You Tube read that has been the talk of the town in youtube circles. [TS]

  And I feel somewhat the same way that you do of like oh this is you know like it's an important thing it's a big deal [TS]

  and I also feel a huge amount of. Do I have to like you I have to deal with yet another thing. [TS]

  I really don't want to have to deal with yet another thing. But we know we were asking people. [TS]

  You know what did they want us to talk about and. [TS]

  By far and away you two Bread was the number one thing that people want us to discuss this episode. [TS]

  So we have to at least talk about it a little bit. [TS]

  I've been trying to do some information gathering because I know that you just. You really really. [TS]

  So I've tried to put together some stuff on it but it's. It's a weird conversation. [TS]

  It's a weird conversation to have a great sense that you've been a little generalist on this one you've been even lot. [TS]

  Making inquiries and talking to humans and also it's by the sounds of it. [TS]

  Yeah I have had more conversations with actual humans than I would normally like in any research topic. But OK so the. [TS]

  Before we get before we talk about the talking to humans part of it let's let's back up for a second [TS]

  and pretend like someone listening has no idea what we're talking about right. So. [TS]

  For historical context you know for people listening. [TS]

  One hundred years from now we're feeling interested in the details of what was going on Him you by the time You Tube. [TS]

  Just last week. [TS]

  Launched this product that they call You Tube read [TS]

  and the executive summary of it is it is You Tube's subscription service. So they want people to pay you tube. [TS]

  Ten dollars a month. And in exchange for paying ten dollars a month. There won't be any of the. You too bad. [TS]

  So none of those pre rolls. None of the annoying pop up ads that appear on videos. [TS]

  That's the main thing that they're pushing. But it's also bundled with several other features. [TS]

  Google has some music streaming service that I am entirely unfamiliar with. [TS]

  And that also comes with this You Tube read service. There also allowing background audio to play in apps on phones. [TS]

  They're allowing you to download videos for offline use onto your phone. Say if you're going to get onto an airplane. [TS]

  And you want to listen to something while you're in flight. Something you can do. If you are a You Tube. Read a member. [TS]

  And then the last thing is they are allowing some creators to have exclusive behind a paywall content. [TS]

  As part of You Tube read. [TS]

  So that you can have is a not clear if it's just individual videos or channels [TS]

  but there is some some production of thing that is going to be behind a paywall done sent a virus paper to stump up [TS]

  some the money. Exactly. Example they keep using is that if you defy who is currently the number one. You Tube or. [TS]

  He has made some T.V. Show with the people from The Walking Dead and this is their their flagship example of. [TS]

  If you want to see puti pie. Screaming and zombies and walking dead people. A. [TS]

  Hey You Tube in order to get access to that. [TS]

  It feels a bit like it's their Netflix move like they want to have exclusive content [TS]

  and they want you to pay to get access to that content. [TS]

  That's a fair summary and obviously some of what I think we're going to talk about is what's happening with money. [TS]

  Now what does that mean for the creators. And I think we'll come to that in a second. [TS]

  In the cannot Isaak you for just a second to take off your hat of being a creation pretend you've never met a You Tube [TS]

  video [TS]

  and your loss let you do what You Tube videos because you do what some You Tube videos I think you want more than me. [TS]

  Is that an appealing. Product that's being offered. But is that something you're thinking. [TS]

  I'm going to sign on to the about the sound of. Is this. [TS]

  Does that have appealed to you just as a consumer before we talk about all the other implications and things going on. [TS]

  Yeah. So I actually don't watch a lot of You Tube videos. [TS]

  I think I actually tend to watch You Tube A bit like a bit like someone who is unfamiliar with You Tube culture. [TS]

  Watches You Tube videos as in I find popular videos on places like read it and so I will watch those videos but. [TS]

  I'm not like I'm not deep into the You Tube culture of watching videos. But. But nonetheless. [TS]

  I might as well say straight up that. When you to read becomes available in the U.K. [TS]

  Which it currently isn't it's as we're talking it's just available in America. I will probably sign up for it and. [TS]

  The main reason is I would just like to be able to have videos play on my i Pad and on my i Phone immediately. [TS]

  I find it really annoying. If I click on a link to watch a video or. [TS]

  Or what happens weekly if someone sends me a video and there's like oh look at this what do you think about this thing. [TS]

  And I just find it really irritating when I click that link. And then I get a thirty second on skippable ad. [TS]

  Just like I'm not going to use their music service. I don't really care about their exclusive content. [TS]

  I don't really care about the offline use the background audio is nice like I'll probably use that. [TS]

  But I would pay the ten dollars a month just to get rid of an skippable pre roll ads in front of videos. [TS]

  So I will probably sign up for this. When it is available from the consumer perspective. [TS]

  And there's no AD Look at that stop can stop those on scapegoat payrolls as that job anyway. [TS]

  So that's why I mentioned on my i Pad on my i Phone. I got a computer you can get ad lockers little block that stuff. [TS]

  But even though Apple has recently introduced at blocking technology to their platform. [TS]

  It doesn't work because the You Tube app is a totally self-contained space where they control everything so you can't [TS]

  you can't run that stuff. So if I didn't use my i Pad. [TS]

  And my i Phone as much as I do this would be a less attractive option. [TS]

  But since I do an enormous amount of work I'm on both of those devices. [TS]

  Getting rid of the inbuilt adds something that is is worth it to me to do just to get rid of that annoyance like I [TS]

  never want to think about this again. Yeah. [TS]

  That is my one hundred percent I am a consumer what is in it for me I don't care about anything else. Yet respective. [TS]

  So they regard. What about me right. [TS]

  Yeah well I think my son on the floor for the same reason I think the only thing that appeals to me is the. [TS]

  Not having to watch ads all the time. I don't run at blocking software right on my on my computer. [TS]

  So I get ads everywhere. I'm not I don't get. [TS]

  I'm not judging or anything I just it's probably more laziness and naive men this anything [TS]

  but I do spend a lot of my time. [TS]

  Not watching videos because of an ad like someone everyone everyone's talking about some of Covidien read [TS]

  or something I'm like oh we could all have a look at that. [TS]

  And then I start and there's like a thirty second I'm skeptical and I'm like no. [TS]

  And I just go off and do something else and forget that I was going to watch a certain. So I will get value out of it. [TS]

  And also like. I'm just someone who likes having you know. I do like having like the nice version of something. Yeah. [TS]

  So if there's two you know if there's a. [TS]

  If I could have a MacBook in a macro prairie I like having to proceed because I feel like of but the good version. [TS]

  Even if I didn't need it. That's a bad example because I don't need a map. Probe. [TS]

  So I'm a sucker for the upgraded the locks version of something. And if. [TS]

  And if it exists for you choose even though I don't particularly like the name. [TS]

  Mark come to light up a name with great. Yeah. So I think there's a really good chance. [TS]

  Get to and that's not that doesn't. [TS]

  That's not test approval or disapproval of of the whole concept because I don't really know where my headset with that. [TS]

  Do a fine. Adds an annoyance. And I realize I contribute to that annoyance as a chip maker has ads on videos. I get. [TS]

  I get that it's an annoyance. [TS]

  So yeah it's definitely is definitely an annoyance and making them on Skip [TS]

  but was the nobody you know I think I try not to have an skippable ads on my videos because I think. [TS]

  I don't like that I make them. Skip but when I have when I have that fine grand Contro. [TS]

  Yeah this is this is where everybody has their own preferences about what counts is as annoying [TS]

  and what doesn't count as and yang. Yeah. Anyway. Fake I. OK. [TS]

  So before we have this conversation it is the case that both of us will almost certainly get you to bread [TS]

  when it comes to the U.K. For yeah. I would say eighty percent seventy percent maybe it's very possible I want. [TS]

  I'm not my position is not phonier. Well yeah you know knowing much about it is a bit of the thing. [TS]

  So I went back in time because this whole project the idea of a youtube subscription service is something that we first [TS]

  talked about on the podcast six months ago. [TS]

  When You Tube started sending around notices to the creators that they wanted us to agree to this new terms of service [TS]

  and to sign on to this thing that was coming which was a subscription service. [TS]

  And so I will put a link in the show notes to us talking about it six months ago. [TS]

  And the reason I bring that up is because there was a little comment. [TS]

  When we were trying to go through like the contract that we had at the time. And how You Tube. [TS]

  Back then had a little notice about agreed to this now. But don't worry we will share more details. With the creators. [TS]

  Closer to launch was the thing that we heard from you. And the maddest Henri from a creator's perspective. [TS]

  And I think one of the reasons why so many youtube or years are talking about this why there's so many videos [TS]

  and so many articles about. [TS]

  You to bread is because of this massive one certainty that promise from six months ago about sharing more details. [TS]

  Was completely. Unfulfilled. By You Tube. This thing was just suddenly launching and. [TS]

  You too may be good at some things. [TS]

  But communicating clearly with the people who create content for its platform is something that they are terrible at. [TS]

  They are not good at clearly communicating what is going on [TS]

  and so I think a lot of people found themselves in the situation of basically You Tube says. Oh. [TS]

  Tomorrow we're launching a service. That might radically change how you make money on this platform. [TS]

  And we are going to offer no details on how that will be. Trust us. You'll make more money. But just you know. [TS]

  If you want any details. [TS]

  We have none of them for you that that's a bit of the maddest [TS]

  or a from the Creator perspective of of how this seems to have gone down there's just no real information. [TS]

  For the creators. Do you have a theory about that do you think it's because the people you have access to don't know. [TS]

  Or do you think it's like a deliberate. Obsess you know. Obscuring of a comment you have a G. [TS]

  or It's something about the. The scale of the company do you have a G.E. [TS]

  Can you expand on that oh it's just just the ideas. I don't know why. I don't know why this is the case. [TS]

  Here's the thing that all I really want from You Tube is. [TS]

  Some official link that I can go to that's like a policy page that explains to people who create things what is [TS]

  happening in the system. And that seems to exist. Nowhere. [TS]

  And for lots of things with youtube about like what is allowed [TS]

  and what is not allowed it is very hard to ever pin down. An answer to some of these things and. [TS]

  Let's just say broadly speaking. [TS]

  I have spoken to several people at several different levels inside youtube trying to get answers about this. [TS]

  And the feeling that I have come away with. [TS]

  Is that one hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing inside You Tube and. [TS]

  It's not just me that has been doing this so again so some of the like slightly behind the scenes stuff is almost every [TS]

  large crater that I know. And if you go search for videos on youtube or creators are talking about You Tube read. [TS]

  Almost every creator has done the same thing where they're trying to reach out to whoever they happen to know inside [TS]

  you tube. To get answers to their questions and. Everybody knows different people on You Tube. [TS]

  And then they're coming back with totally different answers about how the system is going to work behind the scenes. [TS]

  And then this just contributes to this crazy rumor me. [TS]

  Mill where everybody feels like who knows what's going on so it's like Tim the secret guy on the inside of You Tube has [TS]

  said this thing. And to meet as super secret guy on the inside of You Tube has said this other thing. [TS]

  And you just don't know what to go with. And so like. [TS]

  I guess that I've spoken to several people inside of you to have told me [TS]

  and usually contradictory things are like it's just it creates this whole feeling of on trusted mislike. [TS]

  Surely inside You Tube somewhere there is a document that says how this is going to work. [TS]

  Or maybe they just haven't really decided yet and they're just throwing stuff out and seeing how people react. [TS]

  I don't know what it is but I just get this feeling like You Tube is this big thing [TS]

  and there are parts of it that are not in communication with other parts of it internally. [TS]

  That's that's my impression of of what's going on all right. So what is going on before I say anything. [TS]

  I'm going to say this really clear listeners. Because I always see. [TS]

  When I try to explain something like the opinion gets distorted [TS]

  when people are talking about it later on so I want to say this really clearly. I expect that under the new system. [TS]

  Oh most certainly ome ost. Every single creator. Will make more money with you to bread. [TS]

  Than without it You Tube would have to really really screw the pooch on this one. To make it not work. [TS]

  And one of the reasons is if you can convince even a very very small subset of your users to directly give you money [TS]

  which is what you two Bread is trying to do. They literally count like a thousand times worth. People watching ads. [TS]

  So yeah. You'd. [TS]

  I think people always imagine like what is the success of this service in terms of how many people sign up like what [TS]

  percentage of of the of the audience do they get. [TS]

  And like you cannot imagine what a miniscule percentage they need to get in order to make this financially successful [TS]

  here when someone sort of a mouse us [TS]

  or something assess to us hey guys you know do you want me to what your ads although I throw a new cheaper Dios because [TS]

  Does that help you more I mean I usually don't reply [TS]

  but if I was going to apply I'd say to you what you want because that no point no no no no one of a cent. [TS]

  Is you know that's that's your contribution. [TS]

  You are your greatest contribution is just your attention [TS]

  and watching the video I don't think that you're making a huge financial contribution just by watching your money. [TS]

  Make a big financial contribution if he you know. [TS]

  Given patriotic or buy Teisho something that's when actually starts a Yankee defense to my pocket. Yeah. [TS]

  That's exactly right and they get to some of the You Tube specifics are are. We're not exactly. [TS]

  Allowed to talk to them. But I will reference something that is in the public domain. [TS]

  Which is John Green made a video talking about you to read [TS]

  and he he mentioned a number in there which I'll just talk about. [TS]

  Which is saying that one person giving you a dollar directly. Korean to John I'm not saying anything. [TS]

  Is worth a thousand to two thousand people watching your video. [TS]

  Like that says I'm just I'm just commenting on a number of the John is that that's all I'm doing here. [TS]

  But the still creators want to know how is this. How is this going to be working on now. [TS]

  I've done a thing where I have spoken to a few people who are. Not in the industry. [TS]

  But are familiar with the existence of something called you to bread. And I asked them how did they imagine. [TS]

  This works like what is the impression that you have gotten from you to bread. [TS]

  And interestingly everyone has the same response. So they're thinking. Oh OK. If I sign up for you to bread. [TS]

  I get these features. And then some of my money about half of the money is going to be split up. [TS]

  Among the You Tube channels that I watch. Yet. [TS]

  So most people are imagining that this is not only just for these features but it's. [TS]

  It's like many of the fund raising things that exist it is also a way to support the channels that you watch. [TS]

  And I just think it's interesting that this is the impression that outsiders seem to have. [TS]

  And one of the things I was trying very hard to get confirmed. And I would say I have satisfactorily. Confirmed. [TS]

  Is that this is not really how You Tube at this moment is planning to distribute the money. [TS]

  So if you sign up for you to bread. Yeah. You Tube says you know. [TS]

  They're going to keep half of the money and half of the money is going to go to creators. [TS]

  But it is not going to go to just the creators. That you watch. So if I sign on an ole I do is watch. [TS]

  C G P Gras and Smadar every day it's not like C.G. [TS]

  Pickard going to get five bucks and destines going to get five bucks and that's why it is back. [TS]

  That's not how split it's not like your views. Go to pay people you like right. [TS]

  That's not how it's going to work their way You Tube is running it is they're running it as one gigantic pool of money. [TS]

  So they're taking half of the red subscription money [TS]

  and putting it into a gigantic pile somewhere hidden Norma's pile of money. [TS]

  And then what they're doing is they're taking all of the videos. Across the whole of You Tube and saying. You. [TS]

  Dear creator. What percentage of the total watch time of all videos on You Tube were your videos. [TS]

  And so course obviously that's a very small percentage of it. [TS]

  But it's a very giant pile of money if this works out well. And so everybody gets a percentage of the total pile. [TS]

  Relative to the percentage of Watch time. [TS]

  That their videos were compared of across all of you to know that is the way that this money is going to be distributed [TS]

  as best I can tell from the various people that I have spoken to inside of you to other different. [TS]

  Pose they for example is tireless we've just been to get all the money. [TS]

  Or are they making separate like John Rizzo most of categories like does. Or is it is everyone competing on the same. [TS]

  Same footing. In our episode. [TS]

  Many months ago we made a comment about how there were some language in their contract about dividing people up into [TS]

  different slices in different pools. Yeah. So far I have heard nothing about that that it's just one gigantic pool. [TS]

  Now. [TS]

  Taylor Swift is an interesting example because I think I still think that the music stuff is in is the only thing [TS]

  that's in a different category. [TS]

  But I am not sure [TS]

  and I don't know the answer to that given that You Tube is also combining this with our Google is also combine this [TS]

  with their music service. This is just one of the very many things that is unclear. [TS]

  Because if they are doing it by Watch time. And they are including music in that pile is like well. [TS]

  All of the money essentially will be going to musicians. [TS]

  Because in terms of watch time like the listener numbers on those music videos are just call re use the hi there [TS]

  absolutely just crazy high but i'd that I don't know the answer to I don't know how that's going to work out. [TS]

  The thing with WATCH time that so so interesting and it's. [TS]

  That's where I know some doubt has come into things as being Paypal thinking. [TS]

  How does this benefit Mayhew to the length of my videos. You know someone who does very short. [TS]

  Very short videos of the season are going to get you know a minute or two of attention. [TS]

  And someone who has a long rambling video. [TS]

  That goes for the White House of them playing three a video game is going to have more of the Watch time. [TS]

  Is that going to give them a huge financial advantage [TS]

  and maybe it should give them a financial advantage if it does I don't know [TS]

  but there is a failing that does making short high quality content. [TS]

  Get penalize dresses people who just keep you watching for a long time. Yeah. I mean this is. [TS]

  This is while the two creators care a lot about the algorithms because the way they decide it affects the way the [TS]

  income distribution. Goes. But even still I like let's take my channel as an example right. Very short videos. [TS]

  Very infrequently uploaded. [TS]

  That are contributing almost certainly to a tiny tiny portion of the total watched time on You Tube compared to other [TS]

  stuff. So I'm probably on the losing end of this. But I'm losing on the air. [TS]

  I should say I'm on the losing end of this in quotation marks. [TS]

  Because I still expect that because of how poorly youtube ads pay. Versus someone giving you tube money directly. [TS]

  Even someone that the algorithm does not favor. I expect will still work out. [TS]

  Earning more in the end with You Tube read than without it. [TS]

  Like that that's my prediction right now like I am someone that this system is not very well optimized for. [TS]

  But I still think I'll probably be better off. After than before. [TS]

  That's just my guess just given the relative numbers of for Advani. It says that you've dropped the code gray. [TS]

  I'm trying to think about how to freight phrase The next thing right so despite saying that the spite saying that I [TS]

  expect that I'll probably make more money after than before. [TS]

  The thing that I find baffling about this whole process is like we discussed on that episode six months ago. [TS]

  It's the whole thing doesn't feel like a system that I want to encourage that. [TS]

  That I would like You Tube has not set up a business venture here. [TS]

  That I would feel like boy I would love to with the end of my video. Tell my subscribers. [TS]

  You should sign up for you to Brad. I will never do that under the circumstances as they are today. [TS]

  Because I think you can only ask your audience for a limited number of things. [TS]

  They it you can't at the end of every single video. Ask your subscribers to do a bunch of things. [TS]

  You have to pick a small number of things to mention infrequently. I think if you really want to have maximum impact. [TS]

  Yes. And so my feeling is OK at the end of my videos. Most of the time I mention something. [TS]

  And I have a few things that I rotate. It's like OK. Sometimes I mention my email list. [TS]

  Sometimes there is an ad it the end of my video that I've put there. [TS]

  Sometimes it's a link to go do something else or sometimes merchandise like there's a row. [TS]

  There's a rotation of things that I think are worth mentioning at the end of my videos You Tube read will never make [TS]

  that rotation. And I just feel like You Tube is missing out on something like they should design a system such that. [TS]

  I feel that yes. I should recommend to subscribers to use it. And I think the way people think You Tube read works. [TS]

  Is a situation under which channels would tell their users to subscribe to you to Bret. [TS]

  And so you can imagine say a channel that is smaller. That has a dedicated following of subscribers. [TS]

  If You Tube divided the money. [TS]

  Up among just the channels that you watched smaller channels with dedicated followers would have an incentive to [TS]

  recommend you to Brett. But under the current system. They don't. [TS]

  They don't have an incentive to recommend it I just feel like it's a strange way that You Tube has set this up like you [TS]

  are a platform. That depends on this and Norm is community of content creators. To constantly make something. [TS]

  And there's a way in which you can build this business system so that people would recommend it [TS]

  but you chose this option. That makes it very hard for anyone to recommend it to their own viewers. [TS]

  Isn't that what she would want you tube. But there's never a situation under which. [TS]

  If I had the decision and like OK what am I going to mention at the end of this video. [TS]

  And my going to mention patriotic or my going to tell people to sign up for you to bread. I'm never going to pick. [TS]

  You to bread under that scenario. Because if someone gives me a dollar on patriotic. [TS]

  It's a it's a thousand times better than getting one one millionth of a percentage of the total watch time of my videos [TS]

  on all of You Tube from there you to read subscription. I mean that my oh sorry pay the case. [TS]

  If they did do the other model if if people saw none were directly panky my still be better off on them giving money on [TS]

  picture on. But it just feels. [TS]

  Close a you feel more attached to it if you feel this like a kind of a user pays model and. [TS]

  There's a there's a direct link between the people who've signed on and you. [TS]

  If you two had a built in system like that. [TS]

  If they could make it right there on the page like there may be a case under which getting people to sign up for you to [TS]

  bread under this alternate model would actually be better because they're already there like they're on the You Tube [TS]

  behaves like maybe Google or the knows their account details like they could make it super easy to sign up. [TS]

  Whereas any time you send someone to a different thing like go over to patriotic now there's a whole other system [TS]

  and I need to make an account over there. [TS]

  You always lose a surprising number of people when you ask people to go somewhere else. [TS]

  So I can imagine that even even if the ratios were different like that the You Tube read option under this alternate [TS]

  model might still work out better. But so I guess like that's my fundamental feeling of this is is. [TS]

  I just I like a business arrangement where feels like everybody wants to be a part of it and wants to recommend it. [TS]

  And there's You Tube read thing is a story of having been bullied by You Tube over the past six months to agree to this [TS]

  contract that we had no other choice but to agree to [TS]

  and like getting e-mails from You Tube about why haven't you signed this contract like constant pop up notifications on [TS]

  our channel about sign a new contract you have to sign a new contract. [TS]

  And so just this feeling of like getting bullied into this thing. [TS]

  And that now that it's here that I would never recommend to my subscribers to do out of my own self interest as like if [TS]

  you want those features like go sign up for it I'm probably going to get it [TS]

  but I just I don't know I just I feel like I want to business. [TS]

  I want to business arrangement with you to where I feel like we are both benefiting from helping each other well cry I [TS]

  mean you know in a way what you said is kind of redundant at first because you will always benefit more from someone [TS]

  doing something directly feel like you're patriotic or you Tasia. So going and joining your email list. [TS]

  There is never ever going to be a there's no moto possible. [TS]

  That is lucky to Bradway you would prefer that the people going and just giving over their money directly AIG. [TS]

  So I think. I think in a way. It's asking too much for you cheap to create a model that is so good that. [TS]

  I'm going to recommend. I have all my other ways of making come. That I think that's unrealistic. [TS]

  But what you say that I do think history is the feeling that we were a little bit royal write it into. [TS]

  And even if it does end up being fair and good. I do think it's. [TS]

  Have a bit attached in the Alps that we were kind of that was given no choice. [TS]

  And oh and a wise man said to me and that wise man was you. [TS]

  Is that when only one party in a contract once the contract to be signed. That usually means it's not a good contract. [TS]

  Yeah. [TS]

  I think a better test for whether [TS]

  or not this is really good on our wouldn't be so much will I recommend to my viewers it would have been Do I want to be [TS]

  in the program. They should add a program called Use your breath that was voluntary. [TS]

  And I should have been knocking banging down the door saying our Goetia hope I get laid in. [TS]

  I hope I get to be on the red list. [TS]

  Yeah because because it's so obviously beneficial [TS]

  but I didn't do that they made a suspicious by saying we can explain what this is trust me it's fearing good sign here. [TS]

  Yeah. And that has created. Doubt. And you make me think. Maybe it's created out wrongly. [TS]

  That's that's where I think the problem has been in the birth process and not the any of this matters to the viewers [TS]

  but that's where the problem has been for us. Yes. The people listen to this pod cast to get up to the day. [TS]

  Behind the scenes and who's the U.T.I. I don't want to know I don't know if I'm not saying we should listen to her. [TS]

  I'm just saying they're out there on two billion people in the world. [TS]

  Really wiring about whether or not you know their particular create is a going to get a fax of the pie. Yeah. [TS]

  But it's definitely that feeling of railroaded ness of. No one likes to be forced into a thing. [TS]

  And I think the reason why people don't like that feeling is. Yes. Even if You Tube read works out better for creators. [TS]

  Which I suspect that it might. The fact that they can railroad you into the thing. [TS]

  And that they have railroaded you into the thing. It's just a reminder that they can. [TS]

  Do this at any time with and yang else. Yeah. Yeah. [TS]

  And I mean I got I got an e-mail from someone at youtube that they were talking about how like you have to sign this [TS]

  thing. Otherwise. We're going to take all your videos down like they're going to be private and nobody can see them. [TS]

  And it was like a total Mafia shakedown email. [TS]

  He was literally like it would be a real shame if everything you worked for on You Tube. Went away. [TS]

  Because you didn't sign this contract. [TS]

  And like come on like I really like this is really the email that you're sending me you've got to be kidding me. Humph. [TS]

  Yeah feels a little bit like the mob is visiting my corner deli that I OWN make a sandwiches for the neighborhood in [TS]

  L.A. Be a real shame if this place burned down wouldn't. I think yeah. It would be. [TS]

  Yeah I mean it's really going to affect your livelihood if your place bends down so maybe you should give me all that [TS]

  money. Yeah yeah yeah. You are NOW YOU'RE A It was. It was No I mean what an odd and I mean like I guess. [TS]

  I guess that I just got frustrated because now but with signing a bad side. [TS]

  I'm absolutely sure that the e-mails that we got from various people that I've heard lots of people being contacted was [TS]

  entirely because everyone I know it was playing this game of chicken with the Agree button. Of. Nobody was clicking it. [TS]

  I'm sure their agreement rate was less than one percent for the previous six months [TS]

  and then only in the couple days right up before it did anybody actually click agree. [TS]

  If it got almost every single sign up at the at the absolute last possible moment. [TS]

  I mean I'm assuming have you click the button you must have. I actually didn't have a button. [TS]

  I had to I had to print out and scan this tremendously large document which was have a. If I know what do I have. [TS]

  I have signed the agreement. I had to vote I would that would my videos would be watchable in America anymore. Right. [TS]

  Be a real shame Brady. [TS]

  I mean it was I mean what if they said you know what changing all your videos to black and white [TS]

  and putting a heavy metal track on to them a. Now. As if you don't want to study that. [TS]

  That's fine but that will go to private and what be this aboard America. Right and I could do that tomorrow as well. [TS]

  Yeah yeah ever peril but we always have been. That's why nobody likes to be reminded of of that scenario. [TS]

  And so I just think it's like You Tube is the biggest player in town. [TS]

  They can obviously do this [TS]

  but it's like hey You Tube if you wonder why sometimes very many of your large creators are very vocal in their [TS]

  criticism of the whole system is like stuff like this is why it is is just the way. [TS]

  The way that this is is handled in a very forceful manner. [TS]

  Is never to pull grade like you know how almost everyone hates their boss in a way. You know is inevitable. [TS]

  Does every creator. [TS]

  At the platform there on you know we disavowed cars that are made by developers and they're always [TS]

  when Jing about how Apple. The latest thing and store. [TS]

  I mean is it just human nature that every create a hates the platform their own people who are massive Twitter [TS]

  following site the new thing that twit is doing and we just all a bunch of winches. [TS]

  He did human beings like to complain yes I think human beings do like to complain. That's for sure. [TS]

  The only other thing that I just want to to touch on which was the main thing that I wanted to get confirmed. [TS]

  Is I think that there's this weird. Fundamental conflict in the You Tube read business. And the creators. Business. [TS]

  And this has to do with imbedded ads in the videos. Yeah. [TS]

  So like you do at the end of your videos you say oh you know thanks to Autobytel or for Squarespace [TS]

  or whoever it is Harry's. You know at the end of the video for sponsoring the video. I've done this in into videos in. [TS]

  Possibly not the next video [TS]

  but the video after that I'm planning to have a sponsor in that video like this is the thing that creators do. [TS]

  To greater or lesser extent. Yes and we were wondering a while back like well what does You Tube Read mean for this. [TS]

  Because if users are being sold pay ten dollars a month and you won't see any ads. [TS]

  But creators are putting ads in their videos like like centrally burning them in making right. Get written like what. [TS]

  Like what is You Tube's position on this. [TS]

  And the thing that made me particular curious about this is one of the very many reasons I haven't put ads in my videos [TS]

  for the large part is. This has been against the letter of the law for youtube for forever. That this is not allowed. [TS]

  According to their official terms of service. Like I had the. [TS]

  My lawyer look over the contract like I had some people confirm inside youtube like now this is against the rules. [TS]

  But so many creators do this that the impression that I have gotten over the past couple years is that You Tube's real [TS]

  policy is. We don't agree to this. But we are turning a blind eye to this year. [TS]

  It's more on it in the breaks than the observance but yeah. But yeah. [TS]

  Because You Tube is aware like a while our own ads. Don't pay very well. And the inbuilt sponsors pay much better and. [TS]

  OK fine like we're just going to we're going to turn a blind eye to this [TS]

  and we're just going to let it slide even though we didn't against the letter of the law. [TS]

  But I was one I like OK well what is it what is the. [TS]

  What's going to happen with You Tube read like isn't this a conflict with the with an ad for You Tube. Yes. [TS]

  And again as best I can tell You Tube has had an official policy change. [TS]

  Saying that burned in ads are OK as long as they follow a couple of guidelines. And the main guidelines there are. [TS]

  It can be no more than thirty seconds. At the end of the video. [TS]

  And it has to be a static image that it can't be like the person talking to camera. [TS]

  You can't be doing something for it can't look like part of the video. And it also can't look like a post roll ad. [TS]

  So this is now. The letter of the law according to You Tube. Is that they are sanctioning these things in a limited. [TS]

  Manner which are no such limit their value at imagine they fit with those conditions with. [TS]

  You know half the a pail of them is that they have the authenticity of being spoken by the people in the video [TS]

  and by looking at you and stuff but yeah I mean you can still talk over the static image of course yet here. [TS]

  They don't require it to be dead silent night not just a picture of a lot of folks are dead I know of it. [TS]

  Just that if they're the seconds of silence. Yes. I have seen. I have seen. Creators do. [TS]

  Very interesting things with the ads at the end and. Like I found out like one of the things I did. On my videos. [TS]

  According to the letter of the law is not allowed which is that I had the added the end. [TS]

  But then there was like a five second thing for people who stuck through the ad like as a little reward. Yeah. [TS]

  And they're like No no no that's not that's not allowed it has to be the last thirty seconds. Yeah. [TS]

  You know you can't have anything else. And so all I can think of is like OK Well once again. [TS]

  I doubt how much you tube is actually going to stick to this. [TS]

  Right like OK this is their policy like we'll see if they actually decide to crack down on it. [TS]

  But I just think this is. This is a bizarre thing. I keep your headlining feature is no ads on You Tube. [TS]

  I think your average user is going to be confused by that like well like I'm paying money to not see ads. [TS]

  And their ads in the video still I'm not sure how much. [TS]

  People care about the difference between a pre roll ad or a post roll ad. And an ad that burned into the video. [TS]

  If they're also the kind of person who is paying to remove ads. [TS]

  I'm just I'm going to be very curious to see how this goes. Yeah. Will it bring it to a head. Yeah. [TS]

  You Tube isn't a very difficult position here. Precisely because those ads pay way more than the You Tube. [TS]

  Advertising does. I mean some some create as a dependent on them I would imagine. [TS]

  Oh yeah definitely definitely some creators are dependent on them. And I imagine even. Even under the most optimistic. [TS]

  Of scenarios of you two bread. I don't think they'll be able to match those inbuilt ads. [TS]

  So You Tube is just in a really difficult position here. And I think it is really interesting that that. [TS]

  As far as I can tell. [TS]

  They have officially sanctioned this [TS]

  and I'm I'm just very curious to see a couple months from now like how does this how does this shake out. [TS]

  My only asterisk on This Is It has always like. I would love. [TS]

  Somewhere to see an official document somewhere in You Tube like saying this is the policy and this is the thing. [TS]

  Instead of just having to talk to people [TS]

  but you know you never get that with you to ever get that the free for the putting it is coming the testing isn't it [TS]

  just paper going to look at their figures in a few months time. [TS]

  Not this first month because of how of the debacle today with the free trial but yeah. [TS]

  The after after all the dust has settled. If people any more money. I guess I'll shut up. Yeah. And if. [TS]

  And if they scream bloody murder so I'm going to be depending on you to tell me how it's worked out because I'd not [TS]

  very good at following that kind of thing. Yeah I mean we could just mention it in passing that You Tube. [TS]

  Seems to be pulling the same thing that Apple tried to with their music service. Of everybody gets a free trial. [TS]

  And then the creators going hey wait a minute what like what happens to our ad revenue during this time. [TS]

  I think in no small part because the ad revenue is the highest in this quarter. [TS]

  So people want to like well like what's going to happen. [TS]

  There's a feeling that you have had Brady that I have I've definitely come to agree with over time that I didn't used [TS]

  to agree with and I feel like this You Tube read thing. And all of these details about like you know. [TS]

  Adding paid during the free trial like what's happening here. I just. I just have this feeling in my mind of like. [TS]

  I just hate all this business that I just you you said a while ago like you just want to make videos. [TS]

  And I feel really the same way that over the past few months. [TS]

  I've just been aware of like more and more of my time has been sucked up in like business related stuff. [TS]

  And talking about ad rates and I and I just like. [TS]

  I find it just I've just found it exhausting after a certain point and. [TS]

  When you talk to other creators it's very very natural that stuff. Turns toward business. [TS]

  Like we have done it that we start talking business like if we're just hanging out and if I have thought sometimes. [TS]

  I've ever seen Mean Girls Brady. I have no on Aida the classic the kind of rating. [TS]

  I should watch or you should watch it. We should have a slumber party and watch mean girls. [TS]

  That a day or two to them and count the votes because we well maybe we will. [TS]

  But there's a there's a very minor scene in Mean Girls that I have thought of a few times [TS]

  when I'm talking business with other creators. And the main character. Hates the Nemesis girl in this movie. [TS]

  But she catches herself always talking about the Nemesis to everybody and. [TS]

  There's a scene where she's talking to somebody else about the Nemesis. [TS]

  But her internal monologue is she saying to herself. Why do I keep talking about this. [TS]

  I am boring myself talking about this I don't want to talk about this but I can't stop myself from talking about this. [TS]

  And I have felt that way a little bit with just some of this business stuff. Over the past few months. Is like man. [TS]

  I just want to focus on videos like I don't want to have to worry about all of this stuff. [TS]

  But as the industry gets bigger and bigger it big it just it naturally becomes more and more a part of it. [TS]

  And I used to think like people who would hire. [TS]

  Social media managers to like deal with all of the back end stuff for the business I always used to feel like Oh that's [TS]

  ridiculous like it's just so easy to deal with You Tube directly and just manage the stuff yourself and I feel more [TS]

  and more like. I can totally understand that of just wanting to try to fire wall. [TS]

  You off from all of the behind the scene gears of the business and just focus much more on the on the creative and. [TS]

  No I totally agree. I totally agree. [TS]

  It's one of the nice things about doing a poet cost and some wise old argument at the buy [TS]

  but obviously we're talking that business [TS]

  but one of the nice things about doing a podcast is fellow Satou hours will say oh you're doing is like making a thing. [TS]

  Well yeah. It's too and like it's even better than like editing or animating organizing or maintaining a website. It's. [TS]

  It's like quite an intense period of just like hand to mouth making like the only time I get anything like it is [TS]

  when I'm filming someone [TS]

  or videoing because like that's almost took a one to one relationship between what you're doing [TS]

  and what ends up as output. But even that has like a higher thresh of higher amount of stuff that gets thrown away. [TS]

  And editing is obviously we did I print ten C N N An amazing he's really been tense if that podcast we've got a really [TS]

  good ratio of the amount of time I spend doing it to the amount of Continent it gets created the other end. [TS]

  Feels like a really like rewarding use of time. Oh yeah yeah. [TS]

  I complete I completely agree and I have that same feeling that. When we are making the podcast together. [TS]

  I am very focused on this thing. Like I'm very focused on the conversation that we're having. [TS]

  And what we're talking about. And on the screen. No I just have the show notes and a reminder that we're alive and. [TS]

  I watch the waveforms come across and feel like a we're making this thing that people are going to listen to [TS]

  and revoke a sonnet now and this is. [TS]

  This is nice that there's a big audience of people who enjoys it and it's relatively. [TS]

  It's relatively simple business wise. Compared to something like You Tube. [TS]

  You know the but the back end stuff of it like it's very rewarding is very rewarding. [TS]

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  Let's let So to to end our fiftieth podcast we're going to answer. And talk about a few things that use the listeners. [TS]

  Tim and Tim It's what you sect in a teen as. I think is a to me thought I don't know if you met me at and I I had. [TS]

  I actually had a a listener email. This week I think. Offering to increase their patriotic pledge to ashes. [TS]

  If we would replace Tim is a generic viewer name with the name. That's not for sale. That's not for Saddam. [TS]

  There were no I think is there were no figures thrown in an icon and what the person's name was but I thought that was. [TS]

  I thought that was one of the best product placement ideas I'm even vain. [TS]

  So we'll be talking we be talking about you like oh. [TS]

  Nike wrote in to tell us about that what you're trying to hear what you're saying we hope you hope you're enjoying the [TS]

  show. Ford Focus. Look we're back at business again very directly. Give business. [TS]

  They call I was alright yeah you're sorry but I just so I did think that was quite ingenious [TS]

  and it was it was sent in amongst over email yes questions. I thought was going to mention is my. [TS]

  My favorite team related comment that I've seen so far which is that team should be the collective noun for a group of [TS]

  hello internet listeners. A group of to a teams right. [TS]

  Right at him is a collection of hello internet listeners I like that. Yeah that's not bad. That's not bad. [TS]

  Oh yeah and that was like yeah. Like like how you have lot node Fatah's know you different. These houses let the team. [TS]

  Right so it's not for sale. It's about society. But make an offer. Brady still has a price. [TS]

  So I think probably the most common question that we've been asked why I'm mile. Was how did we mate. Now. [TS]

  Do you remember how we met Brady. I remember the very first time we met. [TS]

  I remember where he was sitting at I mean what you were wearing the. [TS]

  I remember I remember the first time I laid eyes on you see. This is this is so remain to quit. [TS]

  I don't remember anything about that you're going to have to tell me this story no remember it. [TS]

  Oh I know I I know the broad strokes of the story of how we first met. [TS]

  But I have no recollection for the specific moment so I am just as curious as the Tims are to find out the answer to [TS]

  this question. This one's feet seems the. [TS]

  There was a conference in held in Waterloo none other was organized by Henry of Minute Physics I'm [TS]

  and handcart had various educational He chases and say you were invited and I voted along with numerous other people. [TS]

  And I remember I arrived at the hotel we're staying at the day before. And I didn't know anyone. [TS]

  I'd never even met Henry and only a game out with Henry I knew no one had come over from the U.K. [TS]

  and I told Henry the odd arrived and he said I'll come and make come and me in my hotel room here with. [TS]

  I'm here with Dirk. A very stably I'm what I think he pronounced as Derek very Tassimo time. But he said I'm with him. [TS]

  And I'm with C. T. P. Gray. [TS]

  So I went to the hotel room and a knock down the door and the door opened and there was Henry. And there was Derek. [TS]

  And from memory I think I sat on the bed. [TS]

  Maybe on a chair next to the bed with Derek and he was not showing me some camera he had. [TS]

  And I was many of and for the first time. And you were sitting in the corner. Well. OK. [TS]

  Yeah I remember this now that you bring it up. I remember this. I don't know if I knew. [TS]

  Because I'm not someone who like researchers who everyone was so I don't know who was big and important he wasn't he. [TS]

  But I do remember. I don't think I knew. [TS]

  He were black I don't think Arnie are that's the that's the guy whatever cause I was right or aka what your videos [TS]

  but I do know him and they were a lot of people at the conference like you. [TS]

  Yeah quite reasonable to not know who the vast majority of the people were are tell you a funny story about John Green [TS]

  in that conference later if I remember cause there's a brilliant example of that. [TS]

  But but but then I remember you spoke. And at one point. I connected your voice with the U.K. [TS]

  Video because I was very familiar with the U.K. [TS]

  Video which not only famous your big famous first breakthrough video and. [TS]

  Because my brother in already like that and sent it to me and I do remember at one point saying Oh man. [TS]

  Yeah I do know [TS]

  and I remember commenting Well your voice is just like it is in the video screen a lot of other people aren't [TS]

  necessarily like that [TS]

  but I do remember I do remember at one point saying now I know he was because I recognize your voice from the U.K. [TS]

  Video. That's my new memory of that first meeting. And then lobby so you know we hung out at that conference. [TS]

  Loads and loads. But is that what your memory of that. Well the thing I'm reminded of is yes. [TS]

  I now remember that hotel room. Because that was when I first met. Henry and. Derek a very testy. [TS]

  But the main memory I have of that moment was of going into that room [TS]

  and strategically realizing that I needed to secure the chair as fast as possible that there was one chair in the room. [TS]

  And there was a bed. And it was a bit of like oh it's just a hotel room where people are going to meet and. [TS]

  I have gotten much better than I used to be. But like I'm never good at meeting people at even at my best. [TS]

  And I was worse headed then than I am now. And so I just remember like I could walk into that room and was like OK. [TS]

  I need to get the chair and I need to get the corner of the room so that my back is to the wall. [TS]

  So that I can I can see everybody coming in and I also have. [TS]

  I don't have to deal with any of the awkwardness of standing or like moving around [TS]

  or shuffling it's like no I'm going to anchor myself to the corner. And I'm going to be able to see everybody. [TS]

  And this is how I will deal with a parade of new people with my primary memory of. [TS]

  You gave the impression of having of being that guy. Now didn't you for a. [TS]

  I am I am not surprised at all that conference was for for me as it was for you where I met many of the people that I [TS]

  now know. On You Tube and would count as friends and associates. It was a great conference that Henry put together. [TS]

  And the back story for me on on that which Henry knows very well is that. I was having a really hard time. [TS]

  Securing whether or not I was going to be able to go to that conference. Because that was actually happening. [TS]

  A month before. My contract was up as a teacher. And I had quit my job. [TS]

  But going to this thing or sign on a month before it was two weeks before. [TS]

  That's right the conference was just a few days. [TS]

  But you know I had quit my job long ago the way it works in teaching is that you have to resign. [TS]

  Months and months and months before you actually leave. So my resignation letter had been in for forever. [TS]

  But my boss at the time. [TS]

  Just refused to have me be able to to take some time off and go to this thing like it was a really really big deal. [TS]

  And it came down to this big fight about like I was going to have to break my contract as a teacher to go. [TS]

  Because they're like oh you can't just go to this thing there's no the judgment reason for you to go [TS]

  and it was a really stressful time in my life and I was trying to make this decision like man if I. [TS]

  Well I give I break my contract and go and go to this conference. And then this youtube career doesn't pan out. [TS]

  It is going to be really hard to go back into the teaching world when the last job is like oh yeah he just left. [TS]

  Irresponsibly at the end and he's a teacher with a broken contract that all eventually got resolved [TS]

  but it was just it was only things where I had to make a very difficult decision to go to that conference. [TS]

  And I look back on that as. [TS]

  That was definitely one of of the best decisions that I made was like damn the torpedos [TS]

  and damn all the problems that are happening around this. [TS]

  This conference represented the future career that I wanted and if it meant. [TS]

  Screwing around with the past career that I had like that was a. [TS]

  That was the correct decision to make even though it was a very hard to do that at the time. [TS]

  It was a chance to make pretty hair and for you and look what that led to. [TS]

  But that this is exactly what I mean I guess there is no joke. [TS]

  Because of that conference we have this podcast I think it would be much less likely that we would be doing the pod [TS]

  cast now if I hadn't met at them. [TS]

  Definitely not before I talk about because we were also asked about how the pub Gus started. But before we sort of. [TS]

  Fast forward to that in Africa chip. My favorite story from that car yeah. When when it comes to who knew who I did. [TS]

  I didn't know anyone I don't know I did know he's a big deal and he's not all and I wasn't into a lot much. [TS]

  Grain brother stuff at that point. Although there were like massive but I had figured out who John Graham was. [TS]

  And John Graham was already a really big deal then. [TS]

  Not as big as he is now because of all the movies and stuff that I mean you know he's like a big megastar now [TS]

  but he was like a really big deal already then in the cheap land. And my favorite thing was I was. I was at reception. [TS]

  And John Graham walked into sort of lot in reception and know when they knew who he was. [TS]

  And I walked up to him and said all high Brady and. I think he might have known Yeah hi Brady and. [TS]

  He probably had looked up who I was a nice I met chemistry videos of. [TS]

  And he was I have I am we're having a little chat. And then some other paper at the conference. Came up to us and. [TS]

  For ever reason. They were very familiar with me and whom I work. And my work and had no idea who job was. [TS]

  And I know that's really an common. But that was just what happened. And they were like. [TS]

  And they were like are pretty it's so great to meet you and I will are. [TS]

  I'm even like a little bit star struck up in watching a stuff aside along it's really nice to me and I'm like are. [TS]

  That's. I think it's really nice. And then they. They turn to John and like. [TS]

  Just put their hand out and said you know hi I said they hear you. And he was a. John John Green. [TS]

  Oh it's nice to me which I find really funny because you know John such a big deal and [TS]

  but the best bit was that we all got on the bus. And I was like we were sitting. [TS]

  We're all sitting together and these people who still had a good. Didn't know who he was. [TS]

  We will talk about what we were doing next. [TS]

  And a whole bunch of people were going from this conference on to VITC on which is being held to the luck of the next [TS]

  week California and they left that they turned. [TS]

  They'd sort of turn their asking I said to me are you going to feed con after this and I'm not yeah I am. [TS]

  And then they turned to Jordan said. Are you going to feed con. That must to put George in the most orchid position. [TS]

  Yes because it. And he sort of. I don't think he knew how to answer. And he said he sort of. He was a total gentleman. [TS]

  But I just think he kind of froze about what to say so he just kind of went. Yeah yeah I am actually I own vid card. [TS]

  And I gave him such a hard time about that and thought for the rest of the conference. I was always. Hi I'm John Green. [TS]

  Yes. [TS]

  I own of it kept the minute it came out of his mouth ears are no that did not come it was supposed to come out right [TS]

  like I gave my resume West. The rest of the conference about that. That's just national debt rating. Yeah yeah. [TS]

  Sorry way. That was that was funny no one knowing who knew what else was and. Anyway. So that was kind of. [TS]

  I don't think I was humble breaking down in front of their grandfathers. Brag Cumberland you were just telling a story. [TS]

  That's all you were doing. You're just telling a story. There's no there's no humble bragging the Senate or anything. [TS]

  It's just it was just a story that's all. So anyway. [TS]

  For people who asked how the podcast started which we have to ask us to for but. We sort of. [TS]

  But we would we didn't become bosom friends as a result of that [TS]

  but we started saying it's other of various conferences. [TS]

  And also because you and I are the to go as he lived in the U.K. Right. [TS]

  We would occasionally see each other in London if I if I was coming to London for the day I was sometimes contact you [TS]

  and would just go for a drink or something and. Yeah. Very icky Usually though. Because I think. [TS]

  Regionally saw each other more. In San Francisco there were two. [TS]

  You Tube education conferences that happened in the subsequent years. [TS]

  And that's I mean like I feel like if we hadn't met at that first conference we wouldn't have been as friendly. [TS]

  At those subsequent conferences. And I think that that help things along ago I know this person from this other thing. [TS]

  And you feel closer than you would have if you were just me them for the first time. [TS]

  Yeah it was a bit like the paper that went to the Waterloo thing will almost like a little subset of that I had that [TS]

  extra history it wasn't. Yes exactly. That's exactly right you have a bit of an extra history. [TS]

  And yet so then we met a key usually in London but not very not very frequently. [TS]

  So what's your perspective on how the podcast started. Well I didn't know a podcast is but I was not podcast listener. [TS]

  And. And I didn't know that you particularly into podcast because it was not something we would have talked about. [TS]

  So I didn't. [TS]

  And I didn't know you're actually have a podcast fan [TS]

  and a big devout report costs just not something I knew about you but I was making a video phone number fall. [TS]

  At one point. [TS]

  And it was all about the different perspectives that Americans have on numbers and sort of the way numbers a said [TS]

  and the way we deal with numbers in everyday life. [TS]

  And I'd interviewed an American woman about it but the video wasn't quite strong enough [TS]

  and I wanted to sort of juice the video up a bit. And I knew that you. [TS]

  I think I had talked about this sort of thing with you before [TS]

  and I knew it was a sort of topic that would be of interest to me. [TS]

  So I asked you if I could do a little interview with you and you. [TS]

  I had interviewed you before Father video sort of you know. With your face obscured and stuff. Yeah. Just as you know. [TS]

  As sort of metta type things that you cheapest are together. So I said today. [TS]

  Could I interview just over six you know I have a Skype or on the phone or something or. I'll come to you in London. [TS]

  And I want to show your face or anything. [TS]

  And just talk to me about and then I'd have you animated to say that be like an animated gray. [TS]

  So you'd be like the second interview be on the topic. And I thought this was going to be quite a hard sell. [TS]

  Because you know your was pretty cautious in Iraq or new things and you were like really up for like straight away. [TS]

  You are yeah I'll totally do it and I was like. I think I was. [TS]

  I was probably saying join me to come to London for a something and you will know I know I'm going to record at this [TS]

  and I'm going to record on my computer while we do the Scott call that you're not really proactive with all the ideas [TS]

  of how you do it. Like you will. And usually agreeable and I fish is the rhetoric No Well I well I wasn't. [TS]

  Yeah I wasn't suspicious but I was surprised. So I let you know I find you up on Skype and. [TS]

  I asked you the questions I wanted to ask you when you chatted about them in your usual way. [TS]

  It made for a really nice video I think the video is actually my my have got to million views now some you know it made [TS]

  it made for weakness what you do video. You know. Mainly many thanks to you. And. And you did that. [TS]

  And then I turned into how you approached me after that you didn't. [TS]

  You didn't mention a podcast at the time then it oh. [TS]

  But subsequent to that at some point you brought up the idea of doing a podcast and I sort of city. [TS]

  I'm always up for doing anything in you know. On joy doing things with the sauce. [TS]

  I'm sure I was a great deal from the start but I did say I don't listen to podcasts very much. So you. [TS]

  You gave me a couple of podcasts. [TS]

  To listen to you gave me probably a list of five or six but I do remember there were two you said. [TS]

  In particular should this interview. And the thing that's funny about that is that the to use. [TS]

  You suggested I listen to our member were the accidental tech pod cast with you know Marco I meant Injuns her case [TS]

  or case it S. [TS]

  Which is discussed talking about technology [TS]

  and the talk show with John Gruber which is again it's another Apollyon this reflects that your quite into Apple a [TS]

  stuff. You suggest listening to that as well. And I listen to a few episodes of those. [TS]

  And I quite like them and the reason I find that's quite funny is that now at a fifth episode. [TS]

  The last two days I actually spent. Visiting. Both Mark I meant from A.T.P. and John Gruber from the no show. [TS]

  So it's kind of like really fitting that just as we're doing a fiftieth. [TS]

  I've actually spent some time like in person with with two of those paper that I listen to around the start to kind of [TS]

  get an idea of what a podcast is and how can where can and things that listen to a few of them [TS]

  and we talked more rest is history isn't it. I just pulled up because I want to check the dates. [TS]

  I pulled up the video that we did and the video that you have renamed now. British numbers. Confuse Americans. [TS]

  A number file it that one and a half million views are I am well. [TS]

  And that was July twenty fifth two thousand and thirteen. And then. [TS]

  The first episode of hello internet went up on January thirty first twenty fourteen. So about half a year later. [TS]

  Roughly speaker. And yes as listeners may have picked up in that story. [TS]

  I had always been thinking of a pod cast is something that I'm. [TS]

  I might want to do it even before my youtube career started like I always listen to a lot of audio my whole life. [TS]

  And I thought oh maybe a podcast is something that I could do. But it's a thing that you can just can't do it alone. [TS]

  I get it. [TS]

  The kind of thing that I thought maybe I could do it requires someone else to work with the like it's a team effort it [TS]

  can't be a solo thing. And so it had always been in the back of my mind and. Yes. [TS]

  In the beginning of two thousand and thirteen. [TS]

  When I had been doing You Tube for a little while I was much more seriously thinking about OK I do need another side [TS]

  project here. I want to have something else to work on in the afternoons when I'm not very productive but you to work. [TS]

  And so I was getting more serious about the podcast I was trying to think about who who would make a good host. [TS]

  And essentially that was a list of one person which was you. [TS]

  I don't know why [TS]

  but it just seemed very natural to me that you would be the person that I would try to do this with even though I [TS]

  couldn't. Clearly think of any reasons except for. You are a very good interviewer and. I am not very good at talking. [TS]

  So it seems like if I'm going to work with someone I have to have someone who can help the conversation. [TS]

  Go along and to listeners don't know about I have to edit myself to make myself sound WAY less awkward [TS]

  when the show goes up versus when we record it. [TS]

  I have to give you a lot of credit Brady like you do a lot of heavy lifting of keeping the show going [TS]

  and I really do appreciate that. That is very kind of you but is also a gross exaggeration and. [TS]

  I will say that great as an edit at that he doesn't add himself out. In that way. And he actually does. [TS]

  What you hear in the final show is quite a quite accurate depiction of a conversation. [TS]

  I make I make it much less awkward. The thing you about is asking me questions. Yeah. [TS]

  You know you're getting better that. It's awful it's all I really do I. We've talk. About it in private. [TS]

  I try so hard to get better at this but I am just so bad at it I just this is never been a skill of mine. [TS]

  But yes so that's why when. [TS]

  When you asked about the me doing this video I saw it as the perfect opportunity to test a podcast with the exact [TS]

  person that I thought a podcast would work great for as that that's all I was like oh yeah let's do this no no no I [TS]

  don't want to do it in person I think Blissett Lee don't want to do with a person we're going to do it over Skype. [TS]

  And then over the next few months there we started talking more seriously about doing it [TS]

  and recording the few episodes in advance and then whatever was half a year later it finally went out live. [TS]

  And for that that's the full story of how of how the show came to be. [TS]

  I think a more important question that we've been asked by a few the papal one is. Would you rather thought. [TS]

  One hundred Jamaican Ross rest sauced reunion swamp hands or one reunion swamp incised Jamaican Ross rat. [TS]

  The thing is more than one person asked that question. [TS]

  That was some talk about it rugged are some people were like would you rather five hundred reunion swap hands us to [TS]

  make and Ross rats or one Jamaican restaurants Austrian swamp and I mean that's a no brainer obviously. [TS]

  But what are your thoughts on that. Hundred hundred bra straps us what pence or once one pen. Russia. Maybe one. One. [TS]

  Rice hen. I'd fight one right hand is what I would do you this is no. This is the plenty of get it to work. [TS]

  And soon as you finish that sentence I forgot which way around it went. [TS]

  And when you said Oh if people got it wrong the other way. How was that different from the first one. [TS]

  I think these creatures must be roughly the same size I mean we're not talking about a horse size duck [TS]

  or a duck size horse here. [TS]

  No it's not that extreme but they're not that similar sized minaret a swamp in is a is a big bird. [TS]

  I mean but how big big like a turkey. Were big like a duck. Dig like a turkey. Like a turkey. [TS]

  Yeah there's a lot bigger than a turkey I'd say small but smaller than what you would Cohen E.-MU. [TS]

  And I would call an Amy. The move. Me on your pronunciation of a me. So the Rue and Amy. [TS]

  OK So the question is it's a rat the size of a turkey or a hundred turkeys the size of a rat. Not. Yeah yeah. [TS]

  Turkey is relatively big. Yes Gerad a rat the size of a turkey. Sounds a little intimidating. [TS]

  It does doesn't it a bunch of turkeys the size of a rat. [TS]

  But I could thank those bakes like a baked in the hundred of them. I think this is not an easy question. [TS]

  But I think it's I think it is. I think it's. [TS]

  It's maybe worthy of further consideration not I think it's a sort of question you can. [TS]

  You can just rush into it's like voting in the hello internet flag referendum this needs consideration. [TS]

  Because the killing a hundred of anything is a lot. And they do and they would have their little beaks. [TS]

  I think if I have to pick I think I would fight a rat the size of a turkey. [TS]

  Rather than a hundred turkeys that are rat sized. [TS]

  But I think there's a bigger downside though with a rat the size of a turkey leg I think that thing could actually kill [TS]

  you. Yeah where you can just kick away little things I always like to think just like keeps keep kicking them and. [TS]

  Yeah but like with a hundred of anything is a lot like if a hundred HODLER is rushed you you can kick them all away. [TS]

  Like no matter how small and useless they are you can't kick well away. Well I'm not going to discuss. [TS]

  If I would kick a hundred toddlers. If they're attacking or I'm right. OK thing. Yeah. Anyway. [TS]

  Maybe we need to scuff that fair. The. That's a topic for another show. I think I read it's not a discuss this. [TS]

  I think they're ready to have a big conversation about the strategic advantages and disadvantages of both he go next. [TS]

  What do you like someone asked about our Myers Briggs personality types. [TS]

  Do you know about myers briggs prating Yeah kind of do I think my mom go into them at some stage when I was young [TS]

  and stuff. [TS]

  Yes you have any idea what your Meyers break personnel and they are the ones that are like code like j entities [TS]

  and yeah yeah that's the that's the thing. I'd tonight. I did it when I was like a boy. Right. [TS]

  Would mean nothing but you know [TS]

  when my mom was into all that sort of stuff I think she got me to take one on the what do you rate it mom. [TS]

  She said I take this test. Yeah. And I don't remember what I was then and. Sorry. [TS]

  Obviously I don't know what I am now that I can. I mean. [TS]

  There is almost certainly not a teenager on the face of the earth who hasn't at some point. Done. [TS]

  The Myers Briggs personality type tests that examined various qualities. Around the Internet. [TS]

  My feeling on Myers Briggs personality types. Is that this is astrology. For smart people like this is just like. [TS]

  It's the same kind of thing that there are these broad categories that everybody just can read something into and. [TS]

  I mean astrology is just obviously bunk. And lots of people still get sucked into it. [TS]

  But there are plenty people who are like oh yes I'm totally into Myers Briggs. [TS]

  But astrology Oh no I would never get into THAT WAS LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT DO YOU DO THIS IS THE SAME THING. [TS]

  That's that's what that's what this Myers Briggs stuff strikes me as just broad descriptions that everybody is going to [TS]

  match up with. So that is my verdict on Myers Briggs. The so. [TS]

  Another thing that we've been asked about a lot over the last fifty episodes [TS]

  but we were asked a lot of especially for this anniversary. Episode is about the issue of guests on the podcast. Yeah. [TS]

  That comes up a look. [TS]

  People look at you should have because obviously you know we've got some interesting friends who we talk about all the [TS]

  time of usually right now we're just guests in general. [TS]

  It's not something we really discuss we at the very start we discussed that it was an option. [TS]

  You know there's no there's no banner. We've never said we wouldn't. But it's something we've never done. [TS]

  We don't we talk about it much harder than you need thought so that you would share with great. [TS]

  Are we having like an official policy about. [TS]

  No no no no I mean I think I think the most important thing about this is we've got a policy on nothing because rights [TS]

  were guys who are changing our minds but the thing I think about is be careful what you wish for. [TS]

  And I've never quite understood why people want so much because my attitude to that is like. I really like ice cream. [TS]

  And I also really like ketchup. But I don't like ketchup on my screen. So I like. [TS]

  And I think there's an ornament I think it's almost become like a culture of a shaming if you like one thing. [TS]

  And you like another thing. The two should be mixed. And I say that Oh. [TS]

  Like I listen to podcasts that don't have guessed [TS]

  and I would be really disappointed if I chew need one down there was someone you want to because I've kind of bow [TS]

  and pour into one thing so I don't know what it would be like if we had a guest and. We may find out. [TS]

  One day when you least expect it. But I'm surprised. [TS]

  I'm surprised that people think it's such a such a big deal and I think it's. And I think. [TS]

  I think we've partly created the culture in the You Tube world especially by doing the collabs all the time. [TS]

  Yeah it was like there's almost like this expectation that like oh if I like this person. [TS]

  And I like this person and I do a video together. That's the most of all something you could ever imagine. Right. [TS]

  I I don't completely buy into that. I like I caught. I think it's perfectly nice to have. And I would also say. [TS]

  Among among a couple of the paper that people say oh you should always get them on the show. [TS]

  Some of those people who I've spoken to have always said to me. [TS]

  Don't ever get me on your show like that would you shouldn't do that that would be crazy. So anyway. [TS]

  What do you have anything to add to that I think was asked enough times to be worth answering. [TS]

  Oh yeah as though it's always asked. [TS]

  And it kind of ties into another question that I saw some people ask which is what do we think of this show now versus. [TS]

  When it started in exhibit you go back and you listen to those first few episodes. [TS]

  They're very different from what the show is now. I know they were much shorter. [TS]

  And they were much more focused on a on a topic. Yeah. And now the show is a very different thing. [TS]

  And my feeling was always that those first few shows were never what I thought the show would eventually be. [TS]

  I thought that if. If it was going to succeed. What it is now is exactly what it would be. [TS]

  It would be the two of us being able to talk about whatever. [TS]

  Hopefully in interesting ways that people want to listen to. [TS]

  So where we are now is what I imagine that the show would be from the start [TS]

  and I view those first few episodes as what we have to do something or we have to start with topics. [TS]

  And you know it has to be cut in this particular way. But the there are almost aberrations. These first few episodes. [TS]

  Yet. You cut to a follow up in shows where there's nothing to follow up. Right. [TS]

  It's just a whole structure of it doesn't exist [TS]

  and as the show goes on you do you build up this whole world of of in jokes and past references. [TS]

  And that to me as a person who listens to a lot of pod casts is one of the very special things about what a pod cast [TS]

  can deliver this conversation that continually flows and continually builds on itself. And. My view one on guests. [TS]

  Is Like you I'm not ever going to rule out something. I'm not going to say oh no will never do this. Ever. [TS]

  But I I just think that this show is so much. The two of us. That changing. Who is on the show or adding people. [TS]

  Even if those people are great. It just fundamentally changes this feeling from the listener's perspective of. [TS]

  They are a friend. Sitting at a table. [TS]

  Listening to a conversation between friends [TS]

  and they just happen to be a mute partner in this like that is the feeling that I often have [TS]

  when I listen to podcasts is like OK I know these people. [TS]

  And I'm listening to them talk about interesting things and I just happen to not be contributing in the conversation. [TS]

  And my own experience as a podcast listener is. [TS]

  When shows chains like sometimes shows will bring on a guest every once in a while or they'll change host or whatever. [TS]

  I just never like that. I always react negatively to that. [TS]

  Even if they're bringing on someone who's interesting or who I like in a different context. So I would be. [TS]

  I would be very hesitant to to bring on a guest. Because I just think that that. [TS]

  That changes what the show is and it's very different from what the show is providing for people if it. [TS]

  If it provides any think it also that. That's kind of my feeling on it. [TS]

  Us or a comment I sorry I can't remember where I was probably read [TS]

  or something that someone someone said something that did to committee. They were trying to describe. [TS]

  To a friend who had no internet was. And the way they described their friend was. It's two guys on a pod cast. [TS]

  Talking for a couple of hours. About what they spoke about on the last part gust. I think that sums it up. [TS]

  That is beautiful braiding. That is exactly what we do here. [TS]