0:00:02Can I go to a small skinny hot chocolate place. Now I thank you. Now that's fine thank you Mr.
0:00:24Do you have the Right now use that have nothing. Thanks. How come you're running every popular.
0:00:41Maybe there's been some big run on them not all right. Sounds like it's going to nationwide shortage or what stop it.
0:00:56They're trying to take away my over. This was only a matter of time. But oh yeah.
0:01:01You know what London's like and you know what black cab drivers are like by a lot of mafia of London and I. Well.
0:01:06I don't really know what black cabs are like.
0:01:08Because I try not to use them because they are hugely expensive and not that pleasurable. Of an experience.
0:01:17So no I don't really know what black cabs are like how to I take issue with one thing you said that they are too
0:01:23expensive. But I quite like sitting in a black cab.
0:01:26Of the cabs that I have taken around the world I will probably put the black cabs up pretty high on that list possibly
0:01:35the top of cabs I have taken anywhere.
0:01:39They're very fun and communal
0:01:40when you're in a group like it's very fun getting in a black cab because your face each other
0:01:44and they're really spacious.
0:01:45But oh so if you're like me and you've got like eighteen camera bags and your carrying them around good my condition.
0:01:51I could show up when a black cab pose a pose up
0:01:54and opens the door it is good to sort of tumbling in all your bags can just sketcher across the floor.
0:02:00Very good for me.
0:02:01The black cabs are smartly optimized for large groups of possibly intoxicated people because you can all just pile in.
0:02:11And also the floor it reminds me of the inside the black cabs of say.
0:02:15The interior of the New York subway system where it looks like you have designed this so it is optimal to clean it so
0:02:22that you have a bunch of people come in there. Some of them possibly drunk.
0:02:25That floor is really easy to clean up like a not club.
0:02:28Never look at the nightclub with the lights on and it is also optimized for.
0:02:32You have a ton of stuff and you just need to dump all of it is like they are quite spacious compared to other cabs.
0:02:39So I say we pay people who have been out drinking and people with lots of bags basically that might for me.
0:02:47Which is why I am not surprised that seconds into our conversation. You are defending the black cabs.
0:02:52But as someone who doesn't drink very much. Very rarely travels in large groups.
0:03:00I would say that the black cabs are not optimized for me.
0:03:03And the Yoopers are WAY nicer so my familiarity with the black cabs is relatively low.
0:03:08But I'm a little bit angry today. Because I discovered that T F L.
0:03:13Transport for London which is the kind of transportation regulatory body here.
0:03:18Has this proposal for a bunch of changes that they want to make to what they're calling car hiring services.
0:03:26But are obviously aimed straight at making her worse and.
0:03:31I am real I just found out about this just a couple days ago it has been on my mind
0:03:35and making me just absolutely furious it's like there's this thing that has come into the world.
0:03:39And it makes the world better and. Because it is competing with a kind of a stablished governmental monopoly.
0:03:47There's a they want to put all of these regulations on it. To limit it. And I know who Barisan mazing.
0:03:52I was walking around earlier and I was trying to think about this pod cast on like.
0:03:55I was reflecting on the past ten years of my life and thinking. What things in the past ten years of my life.
0:04:04Have Changed my life. Significantly for the better. If I had to make a shortlist was I on the list.
0:04:11You're on the list now. Last minute contender. Hello Internet podcast is of course. Number one on that list.
0:04:23Previously number one on that list was getting married but maybe he cast it says that out.
0:04:28You can move them to look for number eighty eight with the web.
0:04:31Because I know your wife listens and you know if you're going to be pressed. Let's say equal number one.
0:04:36Let's say equal number one tire one feeling OK. So that's great and I'm thinking OK what makes else on this list.
0:04:43Becoming self-employed. Makes it onto this list. My life before and after an i Phone makes it onto this list.
0:04:49And I'm trying to like rack my brain for other stuff.
0:04:51I would honestly say that lube are is one of the biggest changes in the last ten years of my life that has just made so
0:04:57many things. More convenient.
0:05:00And so that's why I am just having this visceral reaction against the proposed changes from T F L. I'm very upset.
0:05:07The proposed changes. The big one is a five minute wait time. If you want to book a private car. In London.
0:05:17It will not be allowed to come to you for the first five minutes.
0:05:24It's let make it's like making them carry huge said bags in the but yeah.
0:05:28It's Harrison Bergeron right like that's all this is here. Oh. We're going to play this down.
0:05:32And of course if you're a normal mini cab company.
0:05:35This doesn't affect you at all because you're never going to be there right within five minutes you're not you're not
0:05:40able to book a car like this.
0:05:43Within a five minute window so it affects exactly no one except for as I was looking through I'm like OK.
0:05:48What on earth is the justification for this. And that C.F.L.
0:05:53Proposal has this big paragraph about how this is for customer. Safety. Here's a little paragraph explaining this.
0:06:01A delay between the booking and commencement of a journey will reduce the risk of a customer.
0:06:06Getting into is the wrong car and or into an unlicensed vehicle. Now. I've taken over many times.
0:06:13I don't know how someone would get in the wrong car. Like they have the license plate. You have a picture of the guy.
0:06:19Has anyone in the U.K. Ever booked a nuber and stepped into the wrong car and someone drives off. I highly doubt it.
0:06:27And any reasons that you would do that because I can see how you might walk up to the wrong car.
0:06:32And if your really unobservant. Maybe try to open the door a lot because it because it's a pretty common looking car.
0:06:38But how is the five minute rule going to fix that.
0:06:41Still after five minutes you going to walk out to the straight and maybe open the room door. If you're that dumb.
0:06:46Brady the paragraph says it's going to reduce the risk. Days that.
0:06:51So it must be true let's just be honest about it and just treat it like you know. Tariffs and things like that like.
0:06:57It's just you know. This is a deliberate. Thing. To give a fair a guard to the established businesses.
0:07:04Just just be honest about it.
0:07:06But the other thing about this delay and the safety which I'm trying to think of is like OK.
0:07:09What is the scenario under which is bad let's say you walk up to the wrong car. And you open the door.
0:07:15The person who's in the car. I guess they. They happen to be a kidnapper who's cruising around and thinking.
0:07:24Oh I was going to grab someone off the street. But boy Today's my lucky day. Just matured right in the car.
0:07:31Thank you Transport for London. Joe what is the scenario here. I don't understand I don't understand.
0:07:37And yet so the next thing is it says. It's for passenger safety. To make sure that the passenger. And the driver.
0:07:45Are able to ensure a safe pick up location. Now here they try to justify themselves. If the pick up time was too short.
0:07:54The passenger. May run into traffic. To get the vehicle. How how does making the the waiting time longer. Fix this.
0:08:02It doesn't fix this.
0:08:03And what's more dangerous than heiling black cabs when it comes to running into the road
0:08:07and putting you so if it doesn't this is exactly it right the only time. Time.
0:08:11I have ever endangered my physical safety. Trying to get a car is trying to get a cab. Where I'm standing in the road.
0:08:19Leaning out face first into all the traffic.
0:08:23Possibly trying to upstream other people getting cabs you know you're moving around the cabs are obviously manifestly
0:08:29more dangerous. But now. Now we have to fix it for the other little detail like here.
0:08:33Because it's like we're not targeting Uber in particular
0:08:37but cabbage Irene companies must not show vehicles being available on any maps on any apps.
0:08:44They may or may not have like OK. I'm not quite sure who that is now. I have one more here which I absolutely love.
0:08:53They want to restrict automatic. Carpooling. So has the service in London where you can.
0:09:01You can say that you want to be able to share the ride with other people who are going in the same direction as you.
0:09:07So it's an optional carpooling with strangers. Now. You might think a city like London.
0:09:14Would be hugely in favor of this. Anything that can reduce the number of cars would be amazing. But no.
0:09:20Now they're saying this is not allowed. Again. For customer safety.
0:09:25It's not as though the cut like the customers are able to decide of this is something that they want
0:09:29or something that they don't like I've never used it because I can't imagine anything more on a comfortable than being
0:09:36in a car and pulling off and having a stranger get in and sit next to me like oh God this is the.
0:09:40This is combining the worst parts of a taxi and a bus.
0:09:43I would never do that but obviously some people would want to do it.
0:09:47But this thing about restricting the car pool just shows me it's like it's so clear.
0:09:50They're targeting Uber to get rid of it or to him to impede it I should say.
0:09:56In a way that just it just absolutely makes no sense and I'm just infuriated by this.
0:10:00Robin obviously it makes sense and you're Snuka that they're obviously two things going on here. The.
0:10:06The power of the black cab. Lobby. And it's not insignificant. Yeah but oh sorry. It cost and.
0:10:11Slip balm to get a black cab Lawson's and that's obviously a huge income spinach Transport for London.
0:10:16And if all the black cabs got a business. Service Transport for London maybe they're figuring.
0:10:20I say it doesn't make sense because I was it's like I wish the world didn't operate in this way.
0:10:25Is really what I'm saying
0:10:26when I say it makes no sense I know say their justifications don't make much sense they could have done a better job no
0:10:31they just of their justifications. Are Absolutely. Absolutely ridiculous.
0:10:36For listeners who are already getting angry because they don't like Uber.
0:10:41I need to specify that Luger works very differently in the U.K. Than it does in the US. In the U.K..
0:10:47Are drivers have to be licensed drivers with C.F.L.
0:10:52They are not allowed to just be like hey I'm a guy with a car an app I'm going to drive like you can in some other
0:10:57places. I didn't either. T.F. Else other suggestion is that drivers are only allowed to work for one company. Now.
0:11:06Almost every single member driver I have spoken to they are guys who were transitioning from some cab company that they
0:11:13work for that they hated.
0:11:15And they were trying out to Burger
0:11:16and almost without exception every one of them said Hoover was a better deal for them.
0:11:21And that they were doing more and more time on Hoover and taking fewer and fewer days. With their other cab company.
0:11:27And I just like this is this is anti competitive.
0:11:30They're trying to restrict the driver's abilities to try out a better system is just infuriating Brady is just
0:11:37infuriating. I'm sorry can I if it works out for you I hope it works out for me too because I'll tell you.
0:11:45Taxis are just barbaric. The last time I took a taxi. Don't you laugh they really are.
0:11:52The last time I took a taxi was in Las Vegas. And I had forgotten how by. Beric they were.
0:11:57And the only reason I took a taxi in Las Vegas.
0:11:59Was because Las Vegas at that time was going through this same kind of thing that uber had to temporarily withdraw from
0:12:07Las Vegas. And they weren't allowed to operate. Because the taxi unions had pressure the government to make it so.
0:12:14And so I had to take a taxi.
0:12:15As like oh God this is awful i forgot how terrible this is like the taxi driver has no incentive to make his car good
0:12:22because nobody rates his service.
0:12:24You're just getting in the car with like a random dude who you will never see again who doesn't care who has no
0:12:29responsibility. And that the car is disgusting and there's ads blaring on the inside of the car is terrible.
0:12:36Absolutely terrible. Out and I've just got this.
0:12:38You're not going to like this but I've just got this feeling that the bizarrely cool because it's new
0:12:43and it's doing well and I think it's of the time is no I when there is going to go down the pipe shapes
0:12:49and become a rubber service as well.
0:12:51And if I'm going to start complaining about I don't know what's going to go wrong it.
0:12:54I don't know if it's going to involve advertising on some change in the balance of power between customers
0:13:00and drivers but I've just got a feeling in my bones that it's going to go south anyway.
0:13:07And maybe that's why I'm not like rushing to its defense.
0:13:10I just I feel uneasy about you but I'm skeptical about its future. Well we all know what the future of Hooper is.
0:13:16And it's self driving cars. Oh was that driving. No no no.
0:13:21Amazingly shockingly to me in a way that I always feel like are you sure you want to say that out loud. The C.E.O.
0:13:29Of Google or is very publicly openly into the self driving car thing.
0:13:33He's always being really clear that he wants Hooper to transition into a self driving car company has things like a guy.
0:13:39Maybe you don't want to say that out loud because. The value drivers.
0:13:43You know you're trying to persuade to leave there are the company's income work for everybody. It's like Listen.
0:13:48I'm on board with Uber C.E.O.
0:13:50I think that you started this company with humans solely because you couldn't do it with with robots
0:13:56and it will eventually be with robots. But your company has to last until the robots are available.
0:14:02Like you can go bankrupt between now and then there's no guarantee that you're going to make it through the point
0:14:08when the autos take over. That is so clearly an obviously the way that Hoover is designed to be.
0:14:13I mean I basically use it as though it is a self driving car company.
0:14:17Because I have so little interaction with the drivers most of the time.
0:14:20By the way don't take my kind of not colinear on the use of autos as some kind of tacit approval for that word is a
0:14:27tacit approval. I have not given official approval to that word. Oh I didn't know that I needed your official know.
0:14:34And you've given me so many words that do I need to bully you into this
0:14:38and of almost given your autos as like as a as a thank you for the what if you give them a as a soft you finish to
0:14:50finish a little over rant. I'll finish my Ober rants. No finished.
0:14:54Well we might come back to in future episodes once we've exhausted all the other campaigns
0:14:58and battles where waging at the moment.
0:15:01Maybe we can do that very broad but we can't spread ourselves too thin across all these battle fronts.
0:15:06No we can't we can. Now that she would do some follow up. We might as well. We might as well do some follow up.
0:15:11How the T. Shirt sales do and you know the final numbers the T. Shirt sale has finished. The the rice rat.
0:15:16And let me do this justice. The Jamaican restaurant. I was going to.
0:15:22I was going to drop you there isn't a certain species corrected me it is lime it is it is the Jamaican rice red
0:15:27and the reunion swamp and the teacher and say oh has now finished and that we are going to say we.
0:15:35When we set up the salad course we didn't set sail I met them behind your back for the. What's this I had started.
0:15:43It was never sort of added tension for it to be like a competition between the two.
0:15:47It was just you know which year you know get one. If you like Swan pens.
0:15:51This one if you let Ross rats get this one could very quickly yeah yeah people were expressing their innate preference
0:15:58for rice wrath over swine and it became pens over a threat.
0:16:00And because sort of taste bring make the sales numbers quite public it became a sort of a showdown.
0:16:06And amazingly and I don't know whether there was no what Enos going on here I just happen naturally. But.
0:16:13It was neck and neck. And it was sometimes it was changing that would never more than five a pot.
0:16:19They were usually within one or two is each other and right down to the final minutes.
0:16:24It was not known which would sell more to a ship's. It was astounding to watch.
0:16:29And I kept thinking of that neutral video on You Tube where you know I have no feelings about this one way
0:16:34or the other with thumbs up
0:16:35and thumbs down which I have massively heard back from people that it is not exactly the same all the time.
0:16:41But it is so close most of the time that you won't notice. Yeah. And that's what this race looks like.
0:16:47But I have a theory. I have a theory as to why these numbers were so please tell me. I'm dying to know.
0:16:53I think there's almost no one who prefers the rice rant over the swamp pan.
0:16:59I think oh most everybody who was buying one was also buying the other.
0:17:04And when you went to look and see what are the two numbers doing it like you were catching it in mid order.
0:17:10Where someone had just placed their swamp in order.
0:17:14And then they went to go place their rice right order but they hadn't done it yet.
0:17:17And I think that's why so many times it was off by just one or maybe two. I bet. Almost everybody who got one.
0:17:24Got both of the type I think Iraq. I am right. Just let us know some how tight not. I'm not and I.
0:17:32Here's how you do this Brady. So you don't get overwhelmed with a million people right. Yeah. You're go to is Twitter.
0:17:38Not Twitter on the Reddit people there will be some thread. You can reply to it on the Read it.
0:17:43Let us know what you did with purchasing them. Don't tweet it. Go to read it. This is what it is for I.K.
0:17:50Go to bed and. But don't like don't go on there if you go.
0:17:52But yes yes that's what we want to know how many people just got one
0:17:56and we'll just assume everyone we don't hear from got to Jeep I want in the end on a technical night. I bought two.
0:18:05One of H. Yeah but one of each This is how I came up with this their side of the.
0:18:13We have to coordinate our outfits Brady if we ever go somewhere we have to make sure that we're both not wearing the
0:18:17rice rat or the one pan it'll be so embarrassing. The final tally was Jamaican rice rat. Two hundred forty four T.
0:18:27Shirts reunion swamp pan. Two hundred forty five. Wow. So I swan Penn wins by one. That's a photo finish. That is.
0:18:38I have had some contact from people who didn't go until after the deadline.
0:18:43Because they listen to the podcast light or that is disorganized.
0:18:46Asking if we're going to make them available again because with taste when you can.
0:18:49You know you can have like a second chance to get things.
0:18:51You have any thoughts on that of shut it down for an hour but I don't mind a kind of luck that it was a one off.
0:18:57Do you feel a bit sorry for people who missteps. I have no sympathy.
0:19:01No sympathy at all you have to listen to the podcast when it comes out immediately
0:19:05and take advantage of what's going on everybody who got your rice rats in the region making FLARM pens the way.
0:19:16Every union swap hence. It's an amazing. Limited Edition shirt that you have near that you can frame it in your house.
0:19:23You can pass it down through the generations. You can store it in a trunk. To make sure that the U.V. Light.
0:19:29Never damages at some but these are limited edition. Collector's items.
0:19:34Now that's settled then I'm sorry if you missed out. I'm sorry if you missed out.
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0:21:54I'm going to say something that's going to make a few people hit that. SKIP button. Area. Yeah.
0:21:59Three things to say about Apple Watch. I occupied. I'm even I feel like three. I'm sorry. Brady.
0:22:07Before you even say anything yet listen listen. People are different. Villa difference.
0:22:13Let me let me say my three things are absolutely have a three things. Now.
0:22:18People need to understand the my main issue with the Apple Watch.
0:22:22If they haven't realized by now it's great you can you tell people what my main issue with the After watching.
0:22:36You tell them. What's Brady's main issue again the Apple Watch.
0:22:41It's not at all it's not the fact their computers on your wrist it's not the fact they have the answers right here mere
0:22:47main issue is that they like their reproducing the way. Old watches look.
0:22:53And they're not doing their own thing is that is that a way to summarize it I believe it's silly to have an end to
0:22:58pretend it's an analog looking watch.
0:23:00I have come up with two new examples in the last week that have given me that feeling again.
0:23:07I'm going to give her very quickly because I want to and it's my podcast to so do with it. You.
0:23:16You say that like I have no idea that this is our show. You do have that. You know Apple X.
0:23:22but You do have the out of it veto. I made a video. This week about the physics and mathematics of drums and drumming.
0:23:32Really good fun I was doing it with.
0:23:34Professor Phil Mariotti who I know is when your favorites in in my videos as well and he's a big music head.
0:23:40He's got these aero drums.
0:23:42Where you just hook up a sensitive computer and you can just got little sensors on your fate
0:23:46and on the ends of drumsticks and you can just see in the middle of your room and drum away in mid-air.
0:23:51Knowing where the drums would pay. And it recreates the drum. Experience. It's like air guitar.
0:23:58If you could still play guitar with drums. It's a coping and I know. And I see all the benefits of it.
0:24:04And he loves the stories he was that when you make this video Brady let's do all using the area drums. And I said.
0:24:11Phil.
0:24:12If we're going to do this video we have to do it properly and get a proper drum kit
0:24:15and smash the drums because a great prop and it looks good and it's the real deal.
0:24:19And he was like are do we do we need a real drum kit can we just use the arrow drums. And I was pretty insistent.
0:24:24Do you agree with me. OK.
0:24:26I feel you're trying to trick me into me into agreeing with you on a different point than the specific
0:24:31and I can I tell you you've got exemption from being tripped I just just in the case of this video.
0:24:36In the case of you are doing a. Video about the physics of drums. Yep. You need a drum in the video.
0:24:42I will agree with you one hundred percent you need a physical drum that someone is hitting it
0:24:46but it was about the drummer in the rhythm the drum eases
0:24:49and things like that so he could conceivably have done it with era drums. But.
0:24:53But I'm agreeing with you you know that I don't you're doing a video. You need the thing. I care is a good thing. OK.
0:25:00So when we set it up and. We had my make sure on there playing the drums. It looked awesome and Co and then.
0:25:07And then fail set up his arrow drums and sat next to him and just out of the washing away in the air and the drum
0:25:14and it sounded like he was playing drums.
0:25:16But I sat there looking at him thinking you look at the sale and there is the real deal.
0:25:20That's what a real drum kit looks like.
0:25:22And you're sitting there with only gives nose in gadgets and wires and sensors
0:25:26and little reflective things on your fate thinking this is like driving to me I just felt like saying that's not
0:25:33drowning. Those bad boys there. That's real drumming. That's how I feel about Apple watchers and I don't like watches.
0:25:40When I say someone with their Apple Watch. Turner.
0:25:43And look at the hands and fail proud of their watch I feel like saying.
0:25:46My That's not an adult watch this is an analog watch the. You're playing ninety spoony here.
0:25:54That's not a knife this is the ones that are doing exactly what they are there is another example which I wish to share
0:26:00with you that made me feel the same thing. I'm going to send your picture. OK.
0:26:04Because I know you don't watch Formula One racing. How do you know that.
0:26:09I am a big fan of Formula one racing and I'm going to send you a picture of the racing gloves.
0:26:15Worn by the Misael drivers. OK so I'm looking at a pair of gloves with a picture of a watch on the gloves.
0:26:25It's like a picture of a Swiss watch.
0:26:27Basically printed on to the glove so that when you see these drivers with their racing gloves.
0:26:31It makes me think of the T. Shirts that look like ripped abs and packs Yeah.
0:26:38That's what this is of watch glove a quibble and of that yet. That's how I feel.
0:26:42When I see an analog watch on your wrist. On the front of an apple watch. I feel like you've got to ten abs.
0:26:48On your wrist. Like Ray You haven't got an analog watch. They aren't hands.
0:26:54They aren't moving like come on man at all just point out that this man's glove watch. Does not tell him the time.
0:27:03I know. Now here's my third point which I think you may find more interesting. Can I Just before we go really quickly.
0:27:10These glove watches kindest. Make sure I understand what's going on here this is for. This is so that on T.V.
0:27:16This is like a branding advertising thing.
0:27:18Yes they wanted to look like they're wearing the was the watch company wants to sponsor the driver because of the shots
0:27:23of him he's wearing rice and gloves in the car you can see a watch. By paying to watch on his racing gloves basically.
0:27:29OK so that's why this is happening.
0:27:31OK I just I just want to otherwise of the is this some kind of crazy fashion thing that I don't understand.
0:27:37I just all of that said. I think I'm going to get an apple watch. Oh no no no no no. Brady It's just you know.
0:27:51Just been niggling at my mind lately the whole you know listen listen to me man. Listen to me.
0:27:58You should not get an apple Why no you say that I say it because I mean it. I say it because I care.
0:28:06I'm just curious now. Christmas is coming and.
0:28:09My wife doesn't know what to get me for Christmas and I've been thinking about it.
0:28:12And I'm getting a bit into my exercise now
0:28:14and that's the one who has the one thing I do you think is strong about the Apple Watch the fitness aspect.
0:28:18And I'm just thinking. You know I give you a hard time about it and hop on that maybe I should try.
0:28:24I'm thinking I might get one. OK. OK. I think this is a terrible idea. Yes. I was doing some work on the.
0:28:34Hello Internet. You Tube channel. Just a couple days ago.
0:28:38And the most recent video that we put up happened to be the one where we were talking about almost a year ago now.
0:28:45Should Brady get an apple watch when they come out.
0:28:48And I happen to relisten to that section where I was encouraging you to not get an apple watch that I thought it was a
0:28:54terrible idea. And I was listening and nodding my head along thinking.
0:28:58Yeah that guy from the past has some good points he's right this is not a good idea from Brady.
0:29:02And so I feel the exact same way up with the Lincoln to show notes of people. But at the same time.
0:29:08Current me is also now. Perversely curious to see. Since I've gotten over the initial shock.
0:29:14What happens to Brady when he gets an apple watch. I don't know.
0:29:18I mean I'm like I think it's going to end up in a drawer. Within a few weeks. That would be my prediction is that you.
0:29:24Yeah. You get bored with it. Very fat. Maybe within the two week. Return window. I don't. I don't return things gray.
0:29:32Oh yeah. I'm amazed that you do written things I thought I was sort was a mild thing to return things.
0:29:37If I buy something. And like it doesn't fit or I don't like or it doesn't look good. My attitude is. My mistake.
0:29:44Put in a couple. You're going to bite the bullet on that one.
0:29:48Rather than go to a shop and returns and that's just not how it works. It is a hassle sometimes.
0:29:54I do then just have to ask.
0:29:57Do you have any idea which Apple Watch you're going to get I know that you're not a fan of any of the designs
0:30:03but of the designs they have available is there one that called Do You.
0:30:07I'm going to have to go and have a look again to remind myself but I've seem to remember when I tried them on.
0:30:12Like just for fun when they first came out.
0:30:14I did like the leather bands with sort of more normally buckles I like I like the band in the buckle to look as out
0:30:21and authentic as possible to sort of contrast the watch.
0:30:24I don't like the whole kind of you know everything being plastic or space age and stuff I like.
0:30:29I do like some natural materials and a bit about scope so I imagine going down that path.
0:30:35OK So like the leather buckles they have.
0:30:37They have new leather buckles and they have one in particular which is fairly old the looking.
0:30:45I do like a sort of a where that out looking brown leather I think it's quite nice me to see if I can pull maybe a lot
0:30:51because it looks better with the.
0:30:52Watch out of the knot and I hear here I want to look at this one I'm going to send you.
0:30:57Here's my guess for the most Brady looking one that they currently have available for the listeners this is the.
0:31:04What they call the saddle Brown. Classic buckle.
0:31:07Which looks like as old fashioned of a leather the loop men buckled as as you're going to find probably I asked think
0:31:14that is probably the most likely contender. I think my what my one resists I should use because I'm looking this.
0:31:20At this is a possible fitness device and something I specially want to have when I'm doing fitness things. And then.
0:31:26And that's can sometimes be a time when I'm out running and getting sweaty.
0:31:29How could a mixes the sweat and the leather.
0:31:31But I actually think that's a good mix I like my liver to get crept up a bit as the Millennium Falcon.
0:31:37Aesthetic of a very looks better. A little bit worn and leather is a material that looks good a little bit worn.
0:31:43I may change moment this could just be a passing fad. In my mind.
0:31:47But I'm thinking maybe I should to do you have any preference between steel and aluminum or gold.
0:31:54Maybe gold rating rose gold.
0:31:56More not go out at night which everyone which everyone is best is usually my my to change my attitude been buying
0:32:03things is by no ice or by twice.
0:32:05WAIT WHAT say this again by nicer by twice by NASA part twice means by the nice one otherwise he's going to end up
0:32:11buying two anyway because you couldn't buy the nice one litre OK. Or you will have to buy twice.
0:32:17I see that I say or you may have to cause a break so you may have to cause you to start not having the correct one.
0:32:21I think I originally interpret that as basically you thinking.
0:32:25You should buy one steal watch or buy two of them when was interpreted that I was the math used. Other To be fair.
0:32:34I think that there is there is not a clear cut.
0:32:38Which is the better one with the steel vs the aluminum probably I'll get whichever one looks more up.
0:32:44Brushed and bait up a not too shiny shiny.
0:32:47If you don't want shiny shiny then you want to loom and I'm like you want to go like a well very interesting.
0:32:52I look forward to following up on this. In the future Toji the. Enjoy the second part of that rant. I.
0:32:57It was so shocked at first. That's crack on with follow up. We got a lot to do today. Magna Carta.
0:33:02We discussed how a copy of the Magna Carta was flown to the US
0:33:06and it was flying first class for sort of protection reasons
0:33:09and things like that for perfectly one hundred percent legitimate reasons. I never questioned the reasons of such.
0:33:15I just thought it was kind of milk for pay our raisins a little bit
0:33:18and you probably didn't need to like have Anyway let's not go there again. You may be right that they milked it for P.R.
0:33:24Reasons. But did you see the poor. Koalas that somebody left us.
0:33:29It was like Air Australia made some big show about flying koalas first class.
0:33:34But that actually was nothing
0:33:36but a photo shoot that they did with the pair of koalas lounging around in the first class cabin.
0:33:41And they actually just put them in crates and put them in the hole for when they actually move them.
0:33:46That to me is what I what I think of when someone says Oh you did it for P.R. Reasons right is oh here we go.
0:33:53Let the koalas eat some eucalyptus in first class. Take some pictures. Down in the hole you go.
0:33:58But that's kind of what I think I think in the case of the Magna Carta because they were there how do you get in the
0:34:03photo
0:34:03and you could not contain the paper that all the thought surely the best way to do it would be to have it in like a
0:34:08locked steel case way you couldn't say anything
0:34:11and you'd slide it into some sort of show for covered like where the Ashes test was put all their stuff.
0:34:18And you'd have a guy with a gun in first class like Brighton next to it.
0:34:22So if anyone even opened the door he'd shoot the head off. Lucky.
0:34:25Right you wouldn't like put it in the Satan put a seatbelt on and.
0:34:29And that's kind of the for trying it like it has its own Satan they you know it's going to get serve drinks
0:34:33and stuff for myself and it did look a bit like. If you were careless you could spill your champagne on it. Yeah.
0:34:38Like like oh yes that you sitting next to zero. Have you not met my friend Meghna. Anyway. This is anyway.
0:34:45Let me let me read to see now from Leanne Leanne tells us. I was the think the latest episode how to. Sting.
0:34:57I recently graduated from the Archives and Records Management Program at U.C.L. At University College London.
0:35:03And one of the people that came to talk to a string at program was one of the head conservationists in the House of
0:35:09Lords. Where the parliamentary library and archives to help out all acts of parliament that leave the U.K.
0:35:16Opes I fly first class in their own sake. Not only that they have to caretake is an archivist.
0:35:23And a conservationist I believe. One of which must stay with the act at all times.
0:35:29The act is also kept in a special books that only a few people know how to open the caretakers are also under strict
0:35:35instructions not to open the box while others are in the room. Hope you found this somewhat interesting.
0:35:41I found that very interesting as did I thank you very much Liane.
0:35:45Thank you I have another e-mail you very organized that you are showing me before. Very proudly.
0:35:51How you add color coded your printed out notes for today. Now this. Magna Carta was sent to have the US.
0:35:59As we were discussing. This comes from Marco. Marco says. I went to the New York Historical Society today.
0:36:07And photographed. This picture. I'm going to send you the picture he sent us correct. It is the Magna Carta.
0:36:16And someone listening to our episode. Grumpy about art on their i Phone.
0:36:21So they've got insane the bag Nica and head out there are a stone in front of and photographed.
0:36:26Their i Phone showing hello internet in front of the said Magna Carta.
0:36:31I will never stop getting a kick out of these photos of people listening to hello internet.
0:36:37In various locations I always just love the.
0:36:39Because it is one for the first thing I love about it is and we are not ignorant to this problem this news.
0:36:44It is not easy to photograph your phone and listening to how their Internet. Because you need a second camera.
0:36:50To photograph your phone which you probably uses your camera so there are this is a two camera operation for most
0:36:55people and we're appreciative that.
0:36:57I will guarantee there are people who intended to take a picture of their phone with hello internet on it in front of
0:37:04the thing. But didn't realize the exactly just a GO problem.
0:37:08Until they arrived at the place and took out their phone and went again aren't see that it up
0:37:13and depressing great today I silo ascended Mount Everest listening to your podcast not to the Top forty I can't because
0:37:21I was listening on my phone as the any camera had said Marco says Now you can say that hello internet has same the
0:37:27Magna Carta. Well done. Michael Well done. We to speak about.
0:37:31Unlucky numbers recently and how the number four in China is considered unlucky because of its associations with death.
0:37:38Right because in Chinese the word for four.
0:37:41Sounds like the word for death yeah there there are some there's some similarity in the way that said
0:37:46or written I think it said. Many are and I and where this came from Joe. He says he sent us.
0:37:54Another picture with reference to the picture below.
0:37:56The flows in my apartment which has the number of which have the number four and such as twenty four for example.
0:38:02I replaced by placing an eye. Behind the previous floor. Therefore the for change. Floor of my apartment.
0:38:08Is notated as thirteen.
0:38:09A which is a good example he chose because there are so many apartment buildings that don't have a thirteen but anyway.
0:38:15This phenomena is prevalent in apartments in my state of Penang in Malaysia.
0:38:19As most property groups here are owned and managed by Chinese people. So if you until you get that picture they grow.
0:38:25Yeah yeah. This is the picture of the floor selector. All in the elevator.
0:38:32And the floors are listed as two three three a five right
0:38:38and then then the going over bet it's twelve thirteen thirteen a fifteen twenty two twenty three twenty three.
0:38:46A twenty five. And so on message.
0:38:50I wonder if that building goes into the forty's in the hip a real trouble then with my. I just.
0:38:57I cannot stand stuff like this. Oh I love a love a level that quick you know. I bet you would.
0:39:03But that if I were to build a skyscraper. It would have a thirteenth floor.
0:39:09It would have floors with the number four in it. You just you can't kowtow to this. Pointless. Human superstition.
0:39:17You just encouraging it. Yeah but then when it goes towards floor thirteen it's going to be entirely your fault.
0:39:22I'll accept the burden of that possibility.
0:39:25I just I don't think this kind of stuff encourages people to assume superstitious people right not rational people.
0:39:32But people who are bent to this way anyway.
0:39:34It validates their fears of the number four zero of apartment buildings don't want to put four and.
0:39:39It must be better if they don't want to put thirteen in it must be bad. I'm never offend even if one elevators do the.
0:39:45The mezzanine basement. Lower basement and you know yeah and you can't tell wedlock. To I want to get out at L. or J E.
0:39:52Yeah. Where do I get wet How does get out of this building. Listen. Elevator developers. I have the solution for you.
0:40:00This is how this should work. The floor. Which is level with the earth. That's at the ground level.
0:40:07That is floors hero. And you start counting up from that.
0:40:11So the floor above where you walk in is floor one two three four five six and so on
0:40:18and then all of the floors below the ground. Are negative numbers. So the basement. Is negative one.
0:40:26And then if you have a lower basement.
0:40:28It's negative to negative three and so on this is the only way to number elevators.
0:40:34This is the way all elevators should be numbered.
0:40:36What if it's one of those buildings that has like split entrances are like on the north side of the building because
0:40:41it's on the side of a mountain. Ego out to the ground floor. One flaw that to go out on the south side of the building.
0:40:47It's like a flow allow a. I knew you were going to ask this. Are now.
0:40:51Actually just I could feel you waiting for a monkey wrench into my plans and what he did but.
0:40:57Every single building has a main entrance an entrance that is on a busy year road.
0:41:04I'm just thinking of I'm thinking of that building that would usually have this multiple level problem
0:41:09or something like a hotel.
0:41:10When I was in Hawaii you'd see lots of hotels that were on hills
0:41:13and could have multiple levels that are exposed to the ground.
0:41:16But wherever it is that the vast majority of people coming to the building for the first time are going.
0:41:23That is floor zero. The end. Tweet Creo your exceptions pay for. No there are no exception there I was building owner.
0:41:32You with the building owner. It is your responsibility to set an axis. To set an origin point at which ever floor.
0:41:41Is most sensibly the main floor floors here if there's any doubt you choose the door that would have had the ribbon
0:41:48that was cut by the Queen when you're building was open.
0:41:50Which entrance are people going to take their picture in front of which is the entrance where people come in I don't
0:41:55think it's hard but more importantly it just matters that you pick one.
0:41:58You just pick one and then you have a consistent numbering on the inside.
0:42:01But everybody should get into an elevator and know that if they press floors zero.
0:42:06They can exit the building on that floor.
0:42:09Speaking of appealing to people's emotions or juries looking up to me with such cute.
0:42:15Sad Eyes right now that I'm going to have to banish air from the room. Here is there cuteness too distracting for you.
0:42:22I can't handle it and she's also going to start getting restless but just so I just say that you know that this.
0:42:29I'm not lying to you I'm going to send you a picture of have keep She looks right now I'm a put this in the show you
0:42:34know so that people can know what I've been having to put up with for the last ten minutes
0:42:39and will understand why this has to be dealt with because this is a. This is hard to take.
0:42:44We're having a acute intermission have a look in the King at what we have been pod casting.
0:42:50I'm going least two seconds Well you tell people the pictures like him. OK this is pretty cute.
0:42:56And it is pretty distracting. Yeah. Listeners.
0:43:00You should go to the show notes and take a look at this little doggie photo.
0:43:04And I have to admit that were I trying to pod cast. Under such circumstances. I too would find it difficult.
0:43:11Background.
0:43:12I know what a hard core code how to grow but you are but if there's one thing that stimulates your emotion chip.
0:43:18It is Audrey. Had cues that.
0:43:19I agree with you that her cuteness is so great that you were under adverse working conditions with it was harassment.
0:43:29So I can't take that level of emotional blackmail. So.
0:43:34Cracking on like we do need is time for us to come to the burning issue of the last fortnight.
0:43:42Now people will have heard at the start of the show hopefully a little moment I had today when I went to Starbucks.
0:43:49The drive through drive thru Starbucks is the one place in the U.K. Where supposedly you can get hot stoppers.
0:43:55For those who don't know hot stuff as these little sticks that you put in your takeaway.
0:43:59Coffee lives so that the hot hotness doesn't spill out of the hole and burn you.
0:44:04Yeah hot stop is a word invented here on how the Internet by the way but taking the world by storm as all that was to.
0:44:10I tried to get my heart stopper at the drive through today.
0:44:12And I was a toad they didn't have any as people may have heard. And they have been trying to order a new ones.
0:44:18For the last few days.
0:44:20And they haven't been coming in
0:44:21and I can only I can only assume the pressure that we have been bringing to bear on Starbucks to put hot stoppers.
0:44:28In all of their outlets. Has caused a run on orders. And the suppliers are now thinking.
0:44:35What the hell's going on why the why don't have a Starbucks suddenly what Bio hot stuff is
0:44:39and there is a shortage they haven't ramped up the supply in time. And it's causing problems.
0:44:44See you are an optimistic man Brady.
0:44:47Because when you say that they don't have any and they haven't been able to get any.
0:44:51I automatically assume that Starbucks. Vindictively and foolishly is pulling hard stoppers. They're saying.
0:44:58No the heart stopper is everywhere. Yeah you're taking the pessimist. The pessimist live there.
0:45:05They're going to go for corporate consistency over this crazy frustrating inconsistent system that they currently have
0:45:11there been a lot of tweets you must be happy with how people have been getting on board with your tweet campaign.
0:45:16I have been very happy with the number of people who click the Twitter button and harass Starbucks.
0:45:21But Starbucks has been suspiciously mute. On this entire topic. They have been.
0:45:26I don't know where to take this campaign from here braiding. Well.
0:45:29I've been giving of a thought to this even though it's even though it's your baby and your issue.
0:45:34You know me give me an inch Now take a mile. You will take a mile. And also Brady.
0:45:39Being the newspaper media man that you are. You have a certain media manipulation skills that I lack.
0:45:48You think about things in a way that I just don't. You are the media manipulator.
0:45:53As some people may know from a previous episode if they if they listen to our advertising moments. I had fractured.
0:46:01I had printed onto a piece of glass. And a picture. As a gift for gray. Of the reunion swamp him.
0:46:08And this created some interest in fact one of one of our listeners who lives near the fracture. Factory.
0:46:14Before they were able to dispatch it to me. Actually went to the factory.
0:46:18And like knocked on the door and asked if they could see.
0:46:21Say the artist and I said to the company apparently Brady from hello internet has had a reunion swap
0:46:27and fractured it's in the factory and I say and it was still there. And he went to his father take it with it.
0:46:32This is amazing to me bread is it is my you have. You have imbued this thing with the fame.
0:46:39That it has no right to rule this it's like you have Mona Lisa. This fracture. Exactly.
0:46:46So this fracture is now an item of considerable value. I would say so yeah. And it has made it to my house. It is here.
0:46:55It is a wonderful item. It's Maxine my first fracture I was very impressed by. Now it is a gift CA.
0:47:01But let's be honest. It was never going to make it integrates house because it will great as it really decorate.
0:47:07Well it was for this way. It might make it into the house because I would think oh. Was this package from Brady.
0:47:14I wonder what's in here. That would open it up or go oh. If the reunion for Penn.
0:47:20But it would not make it onto the wall. You know that's that's the key thing. Yeah. So with Grace Commission.
0:47:28The decision has been made that we are going to the auction. The Mona Lisa fractures.
0:47:34The reunion swamp in the in the one.
0:47:36The very one that was married and gray and I are both going to sign it
0:47:41and it will be optioned in the name of heart stopper awareness. Now. One may be thinking.
0:47:49How can how can you raise money for heart stopper awareness. And what exactly is hot stopper awareness.
0:47:54It is it is raising awareness for the need for heart stoppers. Starbucks outlets.
0:48:00Oh stop bucks outlets not just to drive through these you know. So you're probably thinking.
0:48:05What are we going to do with this money like. We can't give it to Starbucks. Because without these in sign right.
0:48:12So what we're going to do with any money that is raised. Is donate the money to the children's Burns trust..
0:48:21Here in the U.K. And when we do we're going to make a big song and dance about it.
0:48:25To put more pressure on Starbucks basically. Now you're probably thinking.
0:48:30Well that's a bit unfair that way where we're exploiting the children's parents trust for our own purposes.
0:48:36And that is one hundred percent correct yeah. We are doing that we are doing that.
0:48:42But this is not a stupid as you may think and if I can be serious for a minute.
0:48:47If you go to the Children's Trust Web site which I have in front of me at the moment there.
0:48:55Three main object I have three main objectives.
0:48:58And the one by list first is working with others to raise the awareness of burns and skulls.
0:49:05Including prevention campaigns. And then if you look on the side panel of their Web site at the moment.
0:49:12As I look at it now.
0:49:14They have a an animation of a steaming cup of coffee and a campaign that they call drink responsibly.
0:49:21And they have these bullet points here. On their Web site saying a hot drink.
0:49:24Can still scold a small child up to fifteen minutes after being poured over fifty percent of children admitted to
0:49:31hospital. Presumably even at a hospital with burns as they have been burnt by hot drinks.
0:49:38Burns and scouting accidents often require extensive skin grafting and plastic surgery over several years. So.
0:49:47The Children's Burn stressed. Is very into awareness about the risks of hot drinks. As is say G.P. Gray.
0:49:54I'm not talking I'm not making any link between hot stoppers and Starbucks and children burning themselves.
0:49:59But whatever happens. We're going to auction this picture.
0:50:02And any money we raise is going to be given to the children's parents trust which are doing excellent work for a very
0:50:10good cause. And I do think there are some synergy Smith Yeah.
0:50:14Between between their campaigns to get people to in King hot drinks responsibly and Grace campaign..
0:50:20To have hot stop is in oh stop us in the U.K. Yeah.
0:50:24I think it's brilliant BRADY Yeah I think it's brilliant where raising money for a good cause heart stopper awareness.
0:50:33I have not spoken to children's parents trust by the way that they're not like indorsing us
0:50:37or anything they don't even know the money's coming. I'm going to die night the money to them.
0:50:41When we've got it so I don't think that they're there. Rabble rousing with us again stab X.
0:50:45but If we're going to rabble rouse demise will get a few dollars out of it.
0:50:49And if you tried to call them and explain what the situation was. I think that might be a rather long phone call.
0:50:55Were to send them a link to the podcast and they can. I can make what they want to.
0:50:59Yes we're going to put the link up on e Bay. Yeah it'll be in the show notes. It's for a good cause.
0:51:06Raising money for the U.K. Burn center. And the winner gets the Mona Lisa. Fractures signed by you signed by me.
0:51:14And we will be letting Starbucks know that we have done this. Yes. Ha stopper awareness hot stuff or awareness.
0:51:23So granted you're not a news hand but maybe because you're bit of a science geek.
0:51:28You saw there was a story this week about NASA. Yet again. Announcing water on Mars. I didn't see this on Twitter.
0:51:36And the way you have started this conversation is exactly.
0:51:39The feeling I had which was everybody was super excited that water was discovered on Mars I saw people rushing to push
0:51:45out You Tube video. Those And I thought all of this fury over it. And I thought we menace. Again.
0:51:51Didn't this happen when I was in high school a long time
0:51:54and like I X swear I remember this exact same thing happening before. By NASA.
0:52:00You know I love space and I love Nasser and I'm a real space nerd. And I don't want to be like Mr paper.
0:52:06But let's let's leave the cynical side of this aside from Into the. Let's not talk about public relations.
0:52:13Let's not talk about funding natural ways wanting funding and money to justify and links and massing.
0:52:20Net Let's not talk about the incredible coincidence of this being announced
0:52:23when a big Mars movie is out which we talk about later anyway.
0:52:27Which isn't a glitch is a wonderful piece of serendipity. I did think that's amazing.
0:52:33I wonder if they held it whatever this announcement was until then I just think Nestor is turning a little bit into the
0:52:39Boy Who Cried Wolf. When it comes to finding water on Mars.
0:52:43And one day some rover is going to go over the crest of a hill. And they're going to find a lake.
0:52:48Full of fish and trees and everything and they're going to say you're not going to believe what we found.
0:52:53And we're all going to go early if their water did have the rover is going to splash down into the lake a camera will
0:53:00just be showing all the amazing Martian fish swimming by.
0:53:02And no one will fully Mary when will this they're going to go to water the water. We're going to be. Yep.
0:53:08Check out the we could pay to Article code chronology of discoveries of water on Mars.
0:53:13No there is a link in the notes and you will see a great big log.
0:53:18There's a separate article that's just cold water on Mars and we keep it here.
0:53:23It's in there at the link I can't believe this is real dating back to Mariner and.
0:53:29I spoke to some astronomers the other day and now say now it's different this time this time the waters you know.
0:53:33This is a long article on a no.
0:53:36You don't need to email me and explain to me why this times different
0:53:39and it's not like historic It's time the waters there and also stuff. You don't need to email me and I I still think.
0:53:46NASA is turning into the boy cried wolf and they need to maybe they're paying for their past sins
0:53:51or something I don't know I don't know I saw it as a gradual process.
0:53:55And the discovery of water maybe a series of huge press conferences at NASA. But even me.
0:54:01He loves space is getting a bit jaded by the anything there now it's more often than water discovered on Mars is.
0:54:07Voyager probes leaving the solar system which I think they must the Voyager probes must be on some kind of rubber band
0:54:14or don't know you know because they have left the solar system about forty times now.
0:54:18OK so I don't follow this stuff as closely as you and there's looking through this
0:54:21and Norma's list of announcements of discovery of water on Mars. And about a thousand pictures.
0:54:28Here's my question to you as someone who does follow this more closely. When they have a press conference like this.
0:54:33How did they how do they treat the previous press conferences that have happened. Do they just pretend like it.
0:54:38It hasn't occurred or. Well if they were talking to you if they were talking to you or me.
0:54:43I don't know maybe that have some explaining to do.
0:54:45But because they're talking to a bunch of journalists that just want to put water on Mars there may be life on the
0:54:51front page of their paper. And I think they really need to worry about that very much.
0:54:55OK So this is a case of everybody's in on it.
0:54:57It's just a bunch of goldfish with no memories in the audience goes to water on Mars ever.
0:55:02Oh a slow news day that's good values that we maybe we could tighten with Matt Damon somehow.
0:55:06OK OK So that's what that's what's happening here it's it's this media cycle.
0:55:11We will publish something that will help you sell newspapers.
0:55:14And you don't look too closely at the details or the history of it. This is different this time.
0:55:19You don't need to get angry Grana I'm just a bit jaded by and being grumpy.
0:55:25Call it a papercut maybe that would justify maybe a gram paper
0:55:29or like that we haven't had a real Bradys paper cut in a while that's today's paper kept telling that water out of
0:55:35constant announcements of water on Mars is today's Bradys papercut. I'm announcing at the end of the section.
0:55:41To be clear to people. Actual water on Mars. Amazing. The paper cut is the constant discovery of the water on Mars.
0:55:50You know maybe. I mean maybe.
0:55:52Maybe this one is the discovery maybe this is the big one but I don't know it seems to go way over the last week
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0:58:08I have no idea what your status is.
0:58:10I don't know if you've lost or guide why I have no idea what you're about to announce the I guess.
0:58:16This is one of the many cases.
0:58:18That comes up between us all the time where each of us is not able to understand the mind of the other.
0:58:25Because if you don't think that is but that's basically the subtitle of. Heller Internet. Hello Internet. To do.
0:58:33Who's talking. Neither understanding the other that my pay the growing title of our show. Subtitle of our show us flex.
0:58:45If you are publishing your weight on Twitter every day. There is no way I would not be following it.
0:58:51There is no way I wouldn't have my own spreadsheet.
0:58:55Of scrapes data from your Twitter feed to compare constantly against mine because you're obsessed with me.
0:59:00That's right. Brady. I'm totally obsessed.
0:59:03You're lucky I'm not in the tree outside your house with my binoculars trying to see how much you weigh
0:59:07when you're doing it in the morning. I don't know that you're not.
0:59:10Don't have maybe I do know exactly how this is going since the last podcast. What has been your change in mass.
0:59:18I am down one point eight pounds which comes out to be. Point eight kilograms and braiding. Since the last podcast.
0:59:31My mass has decreased by two point seven kilograms. Well over THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU that's the all time record.
0:59:43I had have been a fan to show because I'd kind of not been working very hard. So I've got myself into bit of a state.
0:59:50But I have hit the calorie counting Had I been doing a better running. I'm a bit of an effort.
0:59:56And I'm feeling pretty good about it. That's amazing. Well. How does now is not. This is this is the top record.
1:00:04And you blew my last week one which I thought was amazing. Four point four pounds you blew that out of the water.
1:00:12You have to lose the blue that of the water well done Brady you are what the based you work the dieting based.
1:00:20Yeah apparently did. So your crediting it to Calorie counting is that what you're doing. Calorie counting. Exercise.
1:00:29The fact that I had put on a bit too much white. That put me over to start with. And then how does now.
1:00:36Well we all can't be as hard as nails nerves you.
1:00:39That's the thing that's just intrinsically part of what you are I have found it very motivating. I'm now.
1:00:44Of now thinking because I'm going to the US in three weeks.
1:00:47I'm thinking if I could get to a certain toggle white by then I can then set myself a girl staying at that light while
1:00:52I'm in the US and things such cook. Scott.
1:00:55I'm quite pleased I thought nah I don't know if these things with may sometimes I dislike lose interest
1:01:00and it could fall apart. But as of today I'm thinking wow that worked. I'm going to crack on.
1:01:05I have done it successfully before doing this so it's making me think. Maybe I'm really proud of you Brady. Thanks.
1:01:12I'm still not going to stop. Bought. I figure you're not going to start a bot. But now that's. That's absolutely.
1:01:17That's absolutely great I'm really happy about it. And now. This gives me a chance to pull out my. My suspicion.
1:01:25Slightly that I was going to mention earlier. But I felt slightly sabotaged on this round because of this pod cast.
1:01:33I went to see. Not one but two movies. And I would find life. Not worth living if I couldn't go to a movie theater.
1:01:44And not eat popcorn and other junk while I'm there. And so for this podcast. Since the last time we did the way in.
1:01:52I went to the movies. Twice. And I've probably been to the movies. Five times in the last five years. So I definitely.
1:02:02Way over indulged at the movies. To the point where I felt the need to make a note on my spreadsheet.
1:02:09So that people would understand what happened. But they needed league games and wait. One of those movies.
1:02:16I had no intention of seeing. Which is Everest. And I was honestly thinking. I wonder if Brady's trying to sabotage me.
1:02:24By convincing me to go to Everest.
1:02:28But the thing is I'm still quite pleased that I was able to have two days where I told myself I was going to blow it.
1:02:35And still be down overall like I'm pretty happy about that is true. But I am I am.
1:02:41I'm super impressed by your weight loss. Thank you if you don't have a few know what he dies then.
1:02:46You know laughs not worth living so you could to give yourself no he dies on these you get get right back on the back
1:02:51on the horse. Yeah. I wouldn't call them ninety days. Because that's obscene.
1:02:57You do have to have times where you can feel alive.
1:03:00Mike my feeling that I was able to be down at all with two to ridiculous days. Is pretty pleasing.
1:03:06But this is great as every Why in that's down is a victory so good stuff. Now. Speaking of Y. and Z. You know how.
1:03:13When I say something and I say that I haven't told you about and like a picture of something you get really nervous.
1:03:18Yeah. Yeah I always do. We are about to get really nervous. OK. That doesn't help Brady. Now in a manner.
1:03:25This is not going to help but just how don't see it but. And you get through the other.
1:03:30You'll get through the other and then everything a better. The Has I have an exclusive photo people.
1:03:36I have a photo of a C G P gray Y. and. And while I send this photograph which he's like. Now here's the thing. Brady.
1:03:48Before I made a joke about standing outside your window watching you weigh yourself that way.
1:03:53Now I'm wondering are there cameras in my house.
1:03:56You made reference to last time not knowing what I'm up to without cameras. Yet what have you done.
1:04:01Things are about to get kind of with say OK. Well move on with this. While I said Gray a photo of the C.D.P.
1:04:09Gray way and we are going to catch to some sound effects which will give you a because I haven't just got pictures.
1:04:16I have already I of this way and. So to hell. Exactly. Knowing. So you. You. Listeners can enjoy that already.
1:04:23I while I send the picture to grab a
1:04:25and oh will be revealed in just a few seconds time with how is this pretty key the sand. It comes the picture gray.
1:04:35Yes A two I five. Age three and less body condition for me if I kill six light up nine.
1:04:53I find it easy I got more control than most they get on the street
1:05:01and learn to get things like abscesses she's a she's a spirit. OK Can I tell you something. Yeah I think something.
1:05:16Yeah. I just want to pull up. Because I was curious.
1:05:19I have a watch heart rate is a hundred fifteen be permit right now it's just waiting for whatever the hell is coming
1:05:25through from Brady land. You know what comes through. C G P Gray the penguin.
1:05:34Which I'm presuming because I have no idea what you're up to I'm presuming you had penguin noises playing in the sound
1:05:39no no I've got a video I've got a video of the how thing so what.
1:05:42What people just heard so they knew before you write a new before you know that it was C.G. Degrade the penguin.
1:05:49Had his big health check the other day and the people.
1:05:52Which included a Y N nine the people at Bristol recorded it for me I was that little penguin doing. Well. He is. He is.
1:06:02I don't want to speak ill of anyone.
1:06:05But some of the people hoping met with the communications of crystals have not moved as quickly as I would like they
1:06:13sent me this footage and said. Someone to be in touch this afternoon to explain it to you and give you all the details.
1:06:18Nothing. I've sent all these follow up emails. I mean it's not like we're like Major benefactors if there's a you know.
1:06:27So I actually don't know what he weighed.
1:06:31I don't even know if he's a hero she yet we still don't know what gender he is.
1:06:35I think the gender test was part of this process. Well I don't all say is city great the penguin. From the photo.
1:06:44Looking pretty good looking pretty solid. And also looking much more like a penguin.
1:06:49Yeah his last time he was all brown He was a little Angwin check the he looks like his parents now doesn't
1:06:55and they grow up so fast
1:06:57and they're breeding for people who have NOT TO cannot see the picture basically the penguin is like.
1:07:03It looks like it hung itself. It's sort of hanging from a noose. But it's a noose is like under its wing and.
1:07:10Obviously they just dangling to figure out what ways.
1:07:13And it was White back in May and I think wait about two point nine kilograms then.
1:07:17I don't I don't know what it was now. I do know that it's body condition was five out of nine.
1:07:24Which apparently is good luck that's what it was supposed to be a it.
1:07:28It was checked for bumblefoot and had some mild thing on its foot but it was like a mild bumblefoot OK. There were no.
1:07:36There were no abscesses on it's preening glance.
1:07:41And the eyes and the mouth which checked and I and I also I learned from watching the video that.
1:07:46Penguins don't like him and Safin linger around with their mouths. Who is a fan of someone else.
1:07:52Fiddling around with your mouth shut when their fingers in your mouth. Nobody. Cry now you think nobody.
1:07:58I am only being naughty if that's the kind of thing that you're into which you have just revealed your hand Brady.
1:08:05So penguin. H two O. Five eight three named C G P gray in honor of see G.P. Gray has had its health check.
1:08:13I still don't know if it's a boy or a gale. There is still much information that is unknown. But watch this space and.
1:08:20So look even the Penguin has Wayne's.
1:08:23He's got to go in the opposite direction he's got it he's got to put on some weight gain some muscle.
1:08:27Drink some protein shakes. Only to a certain point. You know of course.
1:08:31Of course only to a certain point that's how that works. Although I don't want to hear C.G.
1:08:37Bigger the Penguins suddenly making excuses that I had to go to the movies too many times. I'm not making excuses.
1:08:45I'm not me I walked into that theater. This wasn't one of these things where as I go.
1:08:49I fell down on the job and I'm really ashamed of myself like now. I'm walking into the theater. And I'm understanding.
1:08:54What's happening. And I'm going to pay the consequences. Systems of wait. And as I have discovered.
1:09:02If you don't eat many carbs. Your body sometimes reacts. Very poorly. To a sudden influx of popcorn.
1:09:11And I learned that the first time. At the first movie.
1:09:15And then a week later I walked into the second movie and said to myself. I'm going to pay these consequences.
1:09:21I'm not going to sit in this movie theater and not a popcorn and damn the gastrointestinal repercussions.
1:09:28You know at the end of Everest. I decided because where US or is right next to a Five Guys. My burger joint.
1:09:37So at the end of the film I decided I'm going to treat myself I'm going to blow the calorie budget today I'm going to
1:09:41get myself a hot dog. And I'd like I had steeled myself I'd mentally prepared myself for the note Enos.
1:09:50And then I got to Five Guys. And the queue for a hot dog was such a long.
1:09:55The couldn't do it was what I would have died in that he is ridiculous I think he's the keys.
1:10:03That is not fast food that I thought and I know this stuff school is not a locket but I know so. Sam So that stuff out.
1:10:09It's not supposed to be fast food like McDonald's is fast food. On night.
1:10:13And I know you get away from to cook up but you have to wait twenty minutes to order it.
1:10:18I mean this is how this is how popularity works. They're there they're popular. They make good stuff.
1:10:23They are perhaps the only good burgers available in the whole of the United Kingdom. That's a big yeah.
1:10:32It is a big call. But I have spent YEARS. Just realize. Because the. I have spent years in London.
1:10:37Which again in my brain is like the whole of the United Kingdom. Searching for a good burger and.
1:10:44It was like Jesus descended from the heavens when five guys opened their burger place in London and. I have to say.
1:10:53One of the main advantages of doing a low carb diet. Is that technically a Five Guys Burger. Without the bun.
1:11:01Instead in a weird thing called a lettuce wrap.
1:11:03Which does take some getting used to is still a OK and is still on the menu.
1:11:08So I can actually eat Five Guys Burgers on my diet which. I'm pretty happy about it because again.
1:11:13Makes life worth living. I don't feel like a starving rabbit all the time. Could do a few listener a mouse.
1:11:19Yeah yeah listener emails. OK.
1:11:22First of all I mean we don't always answer questions of course but there was just a question that just tickled me.
1:11:27So and it was a good one here so I thought. I put it to this numbs from test us. As a big fan of hello internet.
1:11:35I'd love to hear your opinion
1:11:36and Grace I guess on Mike to be honest he only wants yours I don't know why he wrote it like that on my country's flag.
1:11:45I am from Cyprus. And I personally think Affleck. Isn't that good.
1:11:53It would be great if you two could share your thoughts on the podcast. And I know the.
1:11:57I know the Cyprus flag off the top. We say west leg next we don't even have to look at it.
1:12:01Talk about them pulling and pulling it up just to make sure I get all the details rights and OK. But.
1:12:07Make your first Brady What do you think about the Cyprus flag. Do you know up. I shouldn't like it. But I do. Yeah.
1:12:18Yeah
1:12:18and I think before we speak up it looks like that maybe we should discover that looks are first a tiny fair isn't it
1:12:25how would you describe the Cyprus flak.
1:12:26Oh you don't know how would you describe the surface of the Cyprus flag is all white background.
1:12:37And then it has the island of Cyprus. In Orange.
1:12:42In the center as in the shape of the island of Cyprus quite in a white sheet out a quite detailed map of you know the
1:12:48coastline. Yes it is not simplified at all it is very detailed Viper's It's like a.
1:12:55It's like someone took the outline of a topographical map of Cyprus. And then they colored it in an orange.
1:13:00And then below it.
1:13:01It has a green green olive branches in the same kind of branches that they use for other like oh this is an award
1:13:08winning film right they put a little olive branch in the lower.
1:13:11That's a bit with this looks like it that is not on the side but it's.
1:13:14It's below and of reaching up around Cypress a little bit that's what the flag looks like. Yeah. The little.
1:13:20Laurel underneath us something.
1:13:22Yes a laurel Thank you that's in the that's the word I'm reaching for them
1:13:25and that's sort of yeah that's a green colour of course. So my view on the surface flag. Is it should not be liked.
1:13:34It should not be considered a good flag. No I do like it. And I think. I think the reasons.
1:13:41It's just kind of iconic from A
1:13:43and it's always been the kind of oddball it's always been the weird one that has its own map on a.
1:13:49And a bit like how you could have a group of friends new school one weird friend that always wears a top hat that you
1:13:56except you have that one weird friend.
1:13:57In the
1:13:58when you look at a whole bunch of flags I think there is room for a few weirdos that you can have an opponent there
1:14:04we're trying ghosts and they can be the odd ball that wants to look different with the shape.
1:14:08And you can have Cyprus is the one or both don't want to have the map and that.
1:14:13And I think if everyone started doing it would be unacceptable. But it's OK if one doesn't. And Cyprus Guardian.
1:14:18Said I could have. Well Cyprus isn't the only one. No I give Antarctica has Antarctica on it more and that's different.
1:14:26And I'm sure there are different how is that different. Well. Antarctica is not.
1:14:29It's nine think really is OK it's not the only one anyway.
1:14:32But so I persist cypresses the guys have got it for me it feels like they are not or is it
1:14:39or maybe what I'm saying is this is one of those legs that Rep surrendered itself.
1:14:42Yeah that it passes the Marilyn point person. Marilyn point and it's so bad that it becomes good again.
1:14:47Because it does look like someone with not much style designed on M S paint
1:14:52and then thought let's buy stuff like somehow on this.
1:14:54And someone didn't get the memo and thought that was a Finnish flag. Yeah I'm not a fan of the Cyprus flag.
1:14:59But I'm looking at this flag and I'm realizing that I am I am. Unfairly biased against this flag. Right now.
1:15:08For reasons that is going to sound crazy but I'm really disliking the Cyprus flag.
1:15:15Not so much but because of what it is. But because it's making me think of all of the apps on my i Phone.
1:15:23In the past several years that have transitioned into. After I conned. That have a central logo on a white background.
1:15:31I have so many apps on my phone that have done this. And I just think it looks hideous.
1:15:36And so now looking at this site first flag and just thinking.
1:15:39Oh you look like these Apple I can't I have to deal with words a bunch of white backgrounds with the central logo.
1:15:45And I don't think it looks good. So I'm feeling a feeling unfairly harsh against the Cyprus flag.
1:15:51It's not fair but that's what it is. I'm just scanning the article about the.
1:15:56How the flag was designed and a proposed alternative flag that may come into being at some stage in the future and.
1:16:03It's pretty fascinating like any flag stuff so. Oh yeah. Maybe this is a.
1:16:07Maybe this is a topic for another diabetes care
1:16:09and have a rate of the Wikipedia article which we don't want to get bogged down by the surface flag.
1:16:13Because that ate into good news even flicked on. Now there's a there's always that to talk about with flags.
1:16:20I think you could make this lag way better if you just stylized. The island slightly.
1:16:26In my my vector drawing programs there's a command which is simplify.
1:16:30As you can hit like this this Cypress Island needs about four or five levels of simplify.
1:16:36So you could turn it into more of just an abstract shape. Just doing that I think would make the flag much better.
1:16:42Or just go in hard with more detail and pull all the towns and topography and everything on there her.
1:16:47If you going to be a baby a grizzly go with OK that's actually. In some ways it's not a terrible idea.
1:16:54Just make your flag a mess. Just go all in.
1:17:01So let's quickly crack on to the things that people do while listening to the hello internet podcast Korda this.
1:17:08I had an email from Rob who talks. Who apologizes for not flying far to jets or driving. Road trains.
1:17:17Honestly new in high school currently applying to several universities to write the many required tedious S.A.'s.
1:17:23I listen to H.R. and The words fly by one prompt for the University of Southern California.
1:17:29Asked my favorite thing on the Internet. And I naturally chose your wondrous podcast.
1:17:34I was listening to how the Internet while writing about hello internet
1:17:38and remembering my favorite parts of hello internet. It gave me a smile. That's from Rob.
1:17:43Did you have to write like I say supplying to universities where you talk about stuff like that farmer brain is just
1:17:50blown because I cannot imagine being. I cannot imagine. Listening to a pod cast while trying to write anything.
1:17:58No in a. Could not the. I couldn't I couldn't possibly do that and I cannot imagine that this person can do it either.
1:18:05Well maybe maybe Rob can maybe Rob should say in his that locations by the way.
1:18:09I'm writing this while listening to a podcast and the paper of the universe to be suppressed by that.
1:18:13That's how you get a place. Well it depends on the quality of the S.N. Now doesn't it right. Because they might say.
1:18:20Of this makes sense for the kids of that line that's for maybe he's writing in to try and. But to the right at.
1:18:29All I can remember is that my application to university was different because I was going on a on a different track.
1:18:37Where in New York state if you knew which university wanted to go to which college you wanted to go to.
1:18:46They had a way that you could apply to just one school. Way Orly in the year. And I did that system.
1:18:55But I don't remember really what the application was like. I just remember that.
1:18:59I was accepted to it some time in I want to say in late November early December it was before Christmas.
1:19:06And so then I spent the whole rest of my senior year feeling like the high.
1:19:11What's the point of this like can I go on to college already. Why do I have. I've been accepted into university.
1:19:16And it was a huge.
1:19:16It was a huge relief while everybody else was stressing out at towards the end of the year about the university
1:19:21applications and I already had it sorted. But the tradeoff was it did make. Senior year. Rather boring.
1:19:27And probably feel twice as long as it should have.
1:19:30I mean you're also an exception because you're on mathematics scholarship obviously. Oh yeah yeah yeah. I was.
1:19:38I mean you're talking out between with the Don't even go to university. Oh just sign that N.F.L. Contract.
1:19:43Yeah that I mean the pros. Could have been a whole different life. If I had been in the pros.
1:19:49If I if I had played in the Super Bowl. Than one. If you hadn't taken that arrow in the NE hey.
1:19:57Nobody you know allowed to make that joke.
1:20:00I was trying to you know I was just trying to show that you know in touch with whatever.
1:20:05You know listen listen the very fact that you made that joke that shows exactly how out of touch you are that is a
1:20:12thing that got so beaten to death that it is for ever. Banned from all jokes.
1:20:19For all of rest of time I have been suitably reprimanded by the joke police. You mean.
1:20:28I thought you know I may I like things that are rectory. I'm going to.
1:20:31If you're not careful I'm going to start a campaign to bring it back.
1:20:34And by the end of the weight we're going to have arrow in the near you. Hello Internet T. Shirts.
1:20:38Said So just what you step. Going to happen. You can get up and you can certainly have shown already.
1:20:45Here's another email this you haven't quit power. I'm not drunk with power the Internet just. But the Wild West.
1:20:54Anyone can do what they want. Thanks I didn't talk about that when we talked about the T.
1:20:59Shirt thing all the teaching that was going on with people just up there. People just take your design of a teacher.
1:21:05And the start selling as well as crazy. The close won't.
1:21:10Rice red tape shows other people just like oh it's an OS design a nice. Put slap was trying to slap on T.
1:21:15Shirts and sell a crazy. Yeah. I mean it's crazy but they didn't sell any teacher.
1:21:22Nine and I but let me ask you this for a second that Nick let me on that subject.
1:21:27On the subject of people who do dodgy things it could be very boaters it could be T.V.
1:21:33Routers like I just spoke of a gift voters. People who are basic.
1:21:38You know what I'm talking about people who are taking things
1:21:41and trying to make a quick buck by writing on other people's ideas or popularity.
1:21:48And there are many many ways to do this and it's just a part of loss
1:21:52and it's become an even bigger part of life because of the Internet.
1:21:56The sick the thing I was just thinking the other day in a quiet moment.
1:21:59Is there are people who've almost make their living in this way.
1:22:03But there's still people who like eight hamburgers and walk the dog and love their family and go to the movies
1:22:13and have feelings for the human beings. Right. Of course. What they what they feel about their job.
1:22:21If your job is stealing other people's stuff and trying to make money out of it quickly.
1:22:25Like do they feel bad or what do you think they've created a paradigm in their mind where it's like.
1:22:31This is completely justified in normal.
1:22:32Or is it is that like they're guilty secret and everything else about them sign but this is just a dodgy thing they do.
1:22:38Or do you think they sort of thing but have they convince themselves this is OK.
1:22:43You have to think about them as people that these these these things these Norty people who we often talk about the
1:22:49podcast you ever think Lucky nicest but they probably have a couple of men talk at the moment.
1:22:55I have never literally thought oh they're probably cuddling their dog. At the moment.
1:23:01Here's another difference between you and me braiding.
1:23:04I may be wrong about this because I have a track record of being wildly wrong about what you think about things.
1:23:12But as an outside observer. It seems to me that you. And some other people that I know.
1:23:19Get really really a motion really involved in this.
1:23:25About hang there even angry about infringements on various intellectual materials.
1:23:33Intellectual property materials I should say. And I can totally understand that feeling.
1:23:39Because I think the best way to explain it to someone who doesn't create things for a living on the Internet is
1:23:49when you see people do this. I think the best comparison is the feeling of.
1:23:55Somebody else in school cheating off your test. A sort of powerless. Frustration.
1:24:01But it's also a weird situation because in some ways you haven't lost anything.
1:24:06Really nothing there's nothing less out. And nothing has been removed from you but it still feels. Unjust.
1:24:14I think that that's the kind of feeling of of it. I don't totally agree that nothing's removed from into.
1:24:19I think that is probably one of the nearest comparisons you can might but yeah it's the nearest comparison.
1:24:24Possible and again. This is the whole reason why you originally invented the word freebooting.
1:24:28Is this point of disagreement between us. Yeah you feel that it's much closer to stealing. Yeah.
1:24:36And every every time you say the word stealing. I cringe.
1:24:40Because I just can't ever think of it that way because so I am less emotionally involved when these things happen.
1:24:50It's still frustrating. And it's more frustrating. The larger that the institution is but.
1:24:58For example the tea booting which happened recently with the rice. Rice rat and the swamp hen.
1:25:04I gave that basically zero seconds worth of thought. Yeah.
1:25:06Because my perspective on it was a someone's trying to rip off the teacher designs and. They've sold none and.
1:25:13I care exactly zero. It doesn't really faze me and so I end up not really thinking about the person. Very much.
1:25:20The closer the closer comparison is I do wonder about people who people whose lives
1:25:26or livelihood is based to some degree on deception and trickery and I do wonder how do they think about their lives
1:25:34and I just presume that they have built a mental model where they are acting in an appropriate way.
1:25:42Because nobody ever thinks that they are the bad guy in their own life.
1:25:46I don't even think that talking about people in terms of bad guys are good guys make sense.
1:25:51We are all good people under some circumstances and. We are all bad people under other circumstances. OK. Interesting.
1:26:01Do you not agree with that. I think there are good guys and bad guys. Yeah I think I think. I think there is. Yes.
1:26:09You probably I think there is right and wrong.
1:26:11And he wouldn't want to get to it because we also owe bad guys yeah in fact guys are people here to ferret out as a
1:26:16people who do wrong. And good guys. People who do right. Just as well have back up a second there.
1:26:22If you think that's a very pretty in no way am I arguing for the non existence of good things
1:26:29and bad things like I think I am I am arguing people.
1:26:33Actions are heavily influenced by the circumstances that they find themselves under.
1:26:39And that even varies from person to person. And DAY TO DAY. Yeah.
1:26:42Just feet clear like torturing someone is a bad thing.
1:26:48And someone who commits torture to me is very likely to be someone who I'd be quite comfortable calling a bad guy.
1:26:54Under many circumstances
1:26:56but that's exactly it right you can imagine circumstances where you wouldn't be immediately assuming that the person
1:27:03engaged in torture is a bad person or we can construct.
1:27:07Easily a scenario under which you would think that you can construct a lot of things to justify a lot of things
1:27:12but let's crack on. You're making sense I'm not disagreeing with a with our teachers because you know that.
1:27:17But no disagree with me Brady this is good this is good it is good
1:27:20but we've got to just go with their brain right with it what I mean. Gray. You told me it was my job today.
1:27:27To keep us on schedule and get to the main pub the podcast. I feel I would be failing.
1:27:31If we started discussion about we just found the main part of the now we have not found the main part of
1:27:36but let's do this another day. The mind. OK.
1:27:38We just got the my part of the put costume to come
1:27:40and go to review these two movies are well over a move on what we've been going for like an hour and fifty.
1:27:45We can move in the fun for you know after the show the people are interested I know I'm not I'm not in the mental state
1:27:55to talk about the fundamental ness of right and wrong. Tonight. You were the one who brought up.
1:28:03What do I think about people
1:28:04and their entire lives I was writing like wrong thing for about you know someone cuddling a dog before there is you
1:28:12want with their what you want your show Brady I guess I'll go.
1:28:17Now I don't know if this was deliberate or not because the person who Center is Dutch. This comes from.
1:28:23This was a very good subject failed to get my attention. Jobs while listening to hello internet cricket.
1:28:30Pain us as the Brady.
1:28:32I've been a faithful hello internet listener from the start the pod cast
1:28:35and I'd like to tell you about the work I do while listening. I'm an M.S.A.
1:28:39Student in evolutionary biology and I listen to hello internet. When I have to tedious and sometimes boring work.
1:28:45I'm currently preparing hundreds of Alpine Bush crickets. To go into the collection of a Dutch Natural History Museum.
1:28:52This involves pissing them with a needle and positioning them. With more needles for support.
1:28:57However I also need to take out to their genitals. So you could say I'm fiddling with bush cricket painter says.
1:29:04While listening to your smooth silky voices. Why does he take out the penises.
1:29:10I did ask this question and I actually engage in a bit of dialogue with one K. and It turns out.
1:29:15The pain is a taken out because they are the best way to determine what species of cricket. It is exactly.
1:29:22Because apparently these vary from species to species.
1:29:25And if you are interested grey I can now furnish you with various diagrams of cricket painless is that have been sent
1:29:32to me. Showing said differences. And also named K. Then sent me some fabulous microscope.
1:29:39Pictures of cricket pain assess. And we will share some of these in the show notes for people who wish to say them.
1:29:45OK But wait why does he have to remove it though. Why can't he just examine the cricket penis in situ as it were.
1:29:51If the penis is the best way to identify the cricket. And he's removing them.
1:29:56This is like you're taking all the labels. Off of the very items that you are trying to archive.
1:30:01You should leave labels on Gray That's an excellent question. I just reply. I just replied.
1:30:05Why do you need to remove the genitals and link I replied to determine which species it is.
1:30:11They look quite alike but the genitals can be different.
1:30:13Some scientists decided that is what made them different species I'm going to look at the genetics to see if the
1:30:19species. Really are different. I've included two pictures of the my genitals I have to remove these a coat.
1:30:24To the latest. These parts are hard and made of cheatin. The rest of the pain is soft.
1:30:33So there is no use in removing that because the shape is lost.
1:30:36It sounds to me like you've got to get in there and pull them out because they're sort of in these sort of titillate
1:30:43or pits. Structures. Wow this gets pretty hard. Any males to do send back and forth about the couple to couple.
1:30:53It goes really and had cord sort of how the males and females. Have noted time together.
1:30:59And it sounds like it's quite a bruising affair. What do you think about the morality of capturing crickets.
1:31:06For museum. Study in preservation. Where you think about that breeding.
1:31:11That is that a morally right thing to do the wrong thing to do hammer out with it. Yeah.
1:31:17Yeah you're right with it so that ends. Listener.
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1:33:42and this seems to cause a real a surreal speed bump in people's hello internet listening so what are we going to say
1:33:49here. This is why if we are talking about stuff that is in the world of spoilers. We put it at the end of the show.
1:33:57So if you're listening to the show and. We're we're ever going to talk about something that has spoilers.
1:34:03We put it at the end. So we're going to talk about the Martian movie a little bit.
1:34:07And we're going to talk about the Everest movie a little bit. And so. Spoilers Ahoy. Turn back.
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1:34:21Right ahead.
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1:34:36That's all it is basically things are going to peter out from here. If it's now as we never could track the stuff.
1:34:41Even for regular listeners or our favorite stock about the Martian and Everest.
1:34:46These are two movies that we saw recently.
1:34:49Did you see it through stuffing your face with popcorn out I'm honestly barely. I'm not going to lie.
1:34:55I'm not going to lie because I have to explain a slightly awkward situation where the reasons that I saw these movies.
1:35:01Was because. They were both playing at as I have mentioned in previous pod cast. This fancy movie theater.
1:35:09That's near by me where you can pay about fifty percent extra on the ticket price
1:35:13and you get these these nice cozy seats. And it's a much smaller theater and.
1:35:18Ever since I went in there the first time I have decided I will never see a movie again.
1:35:23Unless it is in a similar environment. Because I hate movie theaters. And so had these movies not been playing there.
1:35:30I wouldn't have gone. OK. However the one downside of this is that in this movie theater.
1:35:37They don't really let you buy a gigantic bucket of popcorn. To bring it with you.
1:35:43They have this system where it's almost like you're on an airplane
1:35:47and you know you can press the flight attendant button and to get the person's attention.
1:35:51So there's a button on the seat. Which brings over a waiter who you then have to tell what you want.
1:35:57And then they bring it to you.
1:35:59The thing is you feel a bit awkward when the guys getting to know what you want before he gets to the seat.
1:36:06Because you keep saying. More popcorn. Like I know. I know that I have seen you four times in this base at this movie.
1:36:14And you have brought over these frankly. Far too small bowls of popcorn.
1:36:19But I'm going to keep asking for another one I was going to say how small are these containers Oh how much popcorn do
1:36:24you eat.
1:36:25The containers are small and my hunger is large popcorn is one of those foods that it does absolutely nothing to C.C.H.
1:36:35You need just a positive feedback loop or. GIGO sway or savory salty popcorn of America has the only.
1:36:42That's the only way to go. ICE to go to the movies or someone who would pull a pack of Moe tazes into that popcorn.
1:36:48Knows quite a nice mix that works quite well you see that working.
1:36:50But the other the other complicating factor here is that in this theater. You can get an alcoholic drink.
1:36:57And I think oh this is nice. Maybe this is more common in Europe than it is in America.
1:37:01But this is the only time I've ever had like a drink with watching a movie. This also just means that my judgment is.
1:37:07Additionally impaired. So that any restraint. That I may have had just goes totally totally out the window.
1:37:16Because it's like yeah keep bringing those martinis over yeah. More popular and body just keep it coming.
1:37:22This is an experience of the movies. These are going to be glowing reviews. Oh man I love to a lovely idea.
1:37:30Maybe we should talk about it now because in addition to my enormous gluttony. There is one other common experience..
1:37:36It's to these two movies. Which was watching the movie. In three D. Now did you watch the movies in three D. I Y.
1:37:44Watched Everest in three D. and I watched the Martian in today. Do you have any thoughts on three D. Movies Brady.
1:37:50I do not like them. OK why don't you like them tell me. I find an unnecessary. Gimmick.
1:37:57It's like it just I spend the first twenty minutes of the movie thinking about issues of three Danus.
1:38:04Before I kind of eventually suspend three day belief or whatever you call it
1:38:09when you no longer noticed the three day
1:38:11but occasionally think as casually things will still come along that within just me back collected
1:38:16and it could be just some string or ribbon.
1:38:18Hanging from an event and it's like oh this is three day I want to have a film that.
1:38:22I wonder what this looks like with my three D. Glasses off.
1:38:25I also sometimes things that look they look a bit like a bad Photoshop.
1:38:28Where someone has like Defoe cause to the background. Way too much. I find it distracting.
1:38:35It doesn't ruin the movies for me. ARC and I occasionally find things I like about it but given the choice.
1:38:44I will choose to day. Of A I had never seen a three D. Movie. Until the Hobbit.
1:38:51Which we have which we talked about many pod casts ago. That was the first time ever saw three D. Movie.
1:38:56And then I saw the Martian. And I saw Everest as well. My expectations were that I would hold only holy hate. Three D..
1:39:07I was kind of. Surprise that I don't hate it but I also am completely baffled about the whole three D. Thing.
1:39:15Because it obviously has to add more trouble when they're filming the movie and. My perspective as.
1:39:21As an audience member is this adds exactly. Nothing..
1:39:27Ninety five percent of the time that the experience is not enhanced by three D.
1:39:33I don't find it distracting the way that you do. But it's like most of the time I just don't even notice this.
1:39:39I just don't think about this at all and. The only time I notice is when something. Screws up the effect..
1:39:47If you're a director. You have to think differently about filming a movie in three D.
1:39:53Because the thing that will ruin the three D. Effect every time. Is.
1:39:58Let's say you have a character in the mid ground who is in focus. And closer to the camera.
1:40:05But on the edge of the screen is someone in the foreground who is out of focus. The way. The three D.
1:40:13Looks in the movie.
1:40:14There's a thing that's clearly wrong because the person in the corner is supposed to be closer but the the three D.
1:40:20Edge. Three D. Effect falls apart at the edge. And so every time you do a classic like a B.
1:40:26Camera shot of looking over someone's shoulder as you're talking to another character and swapping back and forth.
1:40:32Like you just can't do that in a three D. Movie it looks wrong every single time. So I just don't know.
1:40:39I don't know why they bother with the three D. Movies I just think it adds nothing. And it is a key easily distracting.
1:40:46Was says that you agree with me. But what I mean is.
1:40:50I'm not constantly sitting there thinking like this is awful no I go I go I'm not constantly thinking it's awful I'm
1:40:55just distracted by in much the same way you said what technical aspects of it. Distract me.
1:41:00Like what you just said I think oh I wonder how they did that
1:41:03or I wonder if that's not working probably because of this maybe it's because of my job making videos.
1:41:08I'm a little bit more interested in it than other people might be but I just like I said it doesn't ruin the movie.
1:41:14It just doesn't enhance much.
1:41:15And it distracts me because it gives me all these other things to think about that the
1:41:19or curse being a video maker I never think of the technical aspects. Well.
1:41:23Having just talked about a shot from the edge of the thing.
1:41:26It sounds to me like you're looking at it like a video I guess the only reason I ever think of A.B.
1:41:31Shots is because of the red letter media. Camera a camera big has that refute a movie.
1:41:38And the only other complaint about three D. Movies is always feel like they're a little too dim.
1:41:42I know there is a technical aspect where it's hard to make those movies. Bright. But. So anyway I just like.
1:41:48If I could watch movies in two D. Just like you I would. I would definitely take it. I will give.
1:41:53I will give us lights. A slight note. Jumping ahead to Everest and say that. Of the movies that I have seen in three D..
1:42:00Everest did have a few shots where it felt like oh OK. This is cool to see in three D. I have.
1:42:06I have a sense of this mountain and this place. Yeah.
1:42:09But a part of that overall I would say like movie makers you should pass. You should totally pass on this.
1:42:14Yeah basically so people at home. Understand we were just going to do the Martian.
1:42:19But I went
1:42:20and so Everest because as regular listeners to the podcast would know I'm really interested in Mount Everest
1:42:25and I've been to by scamp a couple of times and.
1:42:27I always tell Gray he should come to base camp with me on a trip so I'm a real Everest not.
1:42:31And we've talked about on the pub cost. I went so far. And then I said to cry. If we're going to be in motion.
1:42:36Why did we do Everest as well. Would you be willing to go and see. It. And you add it to your list so you.
1:42:42You saw you said Ike I. And you went so or.
1:42:44So he was going to be the Martian Everest probably wasn't on your To Do list
1:42:48but you see you get it from a definitely not the only not yet.
1:42:52Spitz talk about the Martian we have reviewed the book of course people would I.
1:42:56Gray was Gray was very negative about it. All I'm not negative about the book The Martian.
1:43:01People seem to think I was because I kind of. I jumped on with you and gave it a few punches in the ribs as well.
1:43:06But I remember I did like the book.
1:43:08And I have recommended the book previously so I'm not anti the book as much as gray. Now you're not.
1:43:14Someone did a photo shop from that episode where we talked about the Martian
1:43:18and they put two quotes from us on the cover as though they were they were reviews.
1:43:23And I cannot remember what your quote was.
1:43:25But they selected a little segment where I said it wasn't bad but I would have rather read almost anything else.
1:43:34As I go and I cut. That kind of summed up and your Of the two of us I was definitely much more hardware.
1:43:39So I walked into this. I made a prediction on Twitter. Right before I went into the theater. Yeah. Which was that.
1:43:46I predicted that this would be a much better movie than it was a book. Yep and.
1:43:51Since I know you don't like it when I build the something I'll just you know.
1:43:54I'll just reveal it ahead of time that that prediction was definitely correct. Yes I watched the Martian.
1:44:00And even had I not been drinking alcohol. I would have thought. This is a fun movie. I like this movie.
1:44:08I think it definitely exceeded expectations. And this was an interesting case because I think I liked it. Way more.
1:44:18Because I read the book. Right. And I kept finding myself watching various scenes and.
1:44:26Glad that I had a lot of the background from the book. Enhanced the scene a little bit.
1:44:32And I suspected that might happen just. This being constantly aware of the book versus the movie.
1:44:38So I have actually brought along. My wife.
1:44:42In no small part because she was super excited by the trailers and she want to see the movie.
1:44:46But I also wanted to use her as like a control in an experiment. Yet she had not read the book.
1:44:53I wanted to see how does she react to this movie. Not having the background information and.
1:44:59There were a few times in the movie where I was wondering.
1:45:02I was trying to look over at her face
1:45:04and try to see if she confused now I think maybe the movie skipping over too much detail maybe this isn't obvious to
1:45:11someone who hasn't read the book exactly what's going on but her is the control was also very successful.
1:45:17She liked it a lot. She thought it was was fun. And she had a great time.
1:45:22And she never felt like they were skimming over stuff or she was missing.
1:45:26Missing detail that was necessary in this funny I took my wife as well who also had not read the book area.
1:45:32And I was assigned on the drive time. I said to her.
1:45:35You know I said to you haven't read the book and you're not really into Mas and NASA.
1:45:38Did you feel like there were times where you wished more was explained here
1:45:42or you didn't understand what was going on and she said. Not once not what not but that's the problem.
1:45:46I was I think I probably can't cross rather condescending. And I was far enough. Followed at the top.
1:45:52I did a similar thing where at one point as we were walking home from the movie. I asked my wife I said.
1:45:59Did you understand what was going on with the different areas missions. Did you understand why.
1:46:05There was a spaceship already on Mars that he was going to win how that got there. And she came to me a look like.
1:46:12What do you think I'm stupid. You think I can't follow the movie fought Yeah. It was just.
1:46:17I was like OK or very sorry I I regret even after you that question.
1:46:22I think we may have had a similar experience there. Of. She was taking it as. Do you think I can't follow a movie.
1:46:30And I was just overly concerned because when you when you know all the details from the book.
1:46:35You just you're aware of how much is being left out versus how much. How much is in there but yeah.
1:46:41So yeah definitely I would say way better movie than book I would recommend the movie.
1:46:45Even though I didn't like reading the book. I am glad to have read the book.
1:46:50Because it enhanced the experience of watching the movie. I expected to not like it very much. Oh interesting.
1:46:58Interesting. I don't I and at the start and in the first few minutes. When the big storm happens on mass.
1:47:05That is sort of you know it precipitates the how catastrophe. And it was old lad out in there was and there.
1:47:11And there was big wins are thinking on No it is going to be one of those films that's really loud noisy
1:47:15and action packed. And I was feeling a little bit like Odia and and testing was very short and very necessary.
1:47:25And from then on including that saying and from then on I thought the film was a perv.
1:47:30I've got a couple of mine effects too but I thought the film was way beyond what I expected it to pay.
1:47:38My wife also I thought it was really really good. And she had a big smile and a face and said I really enjoyed that.
1:47:46So I think it was. It was a total total when. I thought the cuts they made the cut they cut.
1:47:54You know several of the bad things that happened to Mark What me.
1:47:57When he's on mass little catastrophes that keep happening to him. They.
1:48:01They cut quite a few of the really big key ones that are in the book. I thought those cuts were excellent.
1:48:07You know there's those cuts were good decisions.
1:48:08But I couldn't help but laugh
1:48:10when I realized we had passed something that we referenced on the podcast we were talking about the trailer
1:48:15and all the spoilers. Yeah. And you said on the last one.
1:48:18Oh they didn't show the scene where the rover flips over as he's going down the ramp in the in the Martian crater that
1:48:24is probably because they didn't film that one.
1:48:26And I was like Yup that's exactly what the African didn't show in the trailer because they didn't film it.
1:48:32I thought the film had. We had a slightly different tone to the book.
1:48:38But also it was quite true to the book lacks the things that I liked about the book. I think came through. I think.
1:48:44Mark what the character of Mark what me being funny.
1:48:49Came through like his occasional CONUS his sense of humor which I think was the key to the success of the book was also
1:48:56a part of the film that really made on three and.
1:49:00I mean I don't know what you thought of that but I know I liked
1:49:03and I my wife really liked the character he was incredibly likable.
1:49:06And the thing that I thought was the weakness of the book which was the sort of two dimensional crappy characters back
1:49:12on Earth and on the spaceship was corrected in the film.
1:49:16Partly probably because they they put in some pretty heavy hitter actors like a like a quality actors to play those
1:49:22roles and I think that really. Salvaged. And it proved that part of the film.
1:49:28I told you when I read the book all the stuff set back on earth I was like get me back to Mars that's where what me is.
1:49:33But desire my quite enjoyed going back to Earth because a lot of the people there.
1:49:37Yeah the ground cast was really strong. Yeah. I fit.
1:49:41One of the things that I guess I didn't think of when I read the book but was really noticeable in the film and.
1:49:48Maybe I didn't like it that much. With the amount of technology everywhere that it was really really techie.
1:49:54And of course at future mass mission will be super high tech because it's the future and already.
1:49:58Space travel a super high tech but just kind of the technology everywhere I found a bit. What do you mean the just the.
1:50:07The look of the yet on the or just let you know there were cameras absolutely everywhere and go praise everywhere.
1:50:13And to be fed the use of those cameras in the filmmaking was actually quite clever. The cutting to cutting to.
1:50:20You know the go pro shots and helmet cam and old the C.C.T.V.
1:50:23Type cameras actually was a really useful filmmaking device.
1:50:27But you have to just find it slightly distracting that they were actually go pros.
1:50:31That's just going to collect with the battery life on those things how are they charging to meeting those S.D.
1:50:35Cards I know exactly what a Go Pro is it shouldn't be there. Yeah. Yeah.
1:50:39So that was just something that I remember care to me like been distracted by.
1:50:44You know laptops and computers and technology everywhere. Sometimes And it didn't feel entirely necessary.
1:50:50But the production values on the film I suppose. It looked expensive.
1:50:55And it looked like that paid a lot of attention to detail making the film. And that all just made the film even better.
1:51:00Was it was really well made. I found myself a couple of times looking around.
1:51:05You know because since I read the book you know what's happening.
1:51:08And just noticing stuff in the background that I probably would have under normal circumstances watching the movie.
1:51:14And they definitely paid a lot of attention to the details.
1:51:18And I really like even just a lot of the camera overlays if you look at them you could tell some nerd spent a bunch of
1:51:24time making sure that the camera overlays look good that are displaying the scientific information on the side that
1:51:29they definitely were people paying attention to the details who cared
1:51:32and I always appreciate that kind of stuff in the Mary.
1:51:35There's a feeling that killed movies for me which is this feeling like nobody on this project. Cares.
1:51:41When you just see stuff being sloppy
1:51:43and this was the total opposite of that it felt like every little detail of everything. Somebody thought about.
1:51:50Like even the coffee cups on the spaceship was like some prop guy spent a lot of time.
1:51:54You know going to find the right looking coffee cups.
1:51:58For the spaceship over the there was definitely some heart put into this movie. Yeah. That Ridley Scott guy.
1:52:04He's got a future. I think he should make more movies. He sometimes makes terrible movies.
1:52:10Left alien on was off I'm very glad to get a good day this time.
1:52:14So the nit picks I've got some but you go first because I imagine that the police won't be dissimilar.
1:52:19I just want to get it on record First though that. I did like the tone down. Matt Damon humor. I found Matt Damon.
1:52:28In this role. He was a better Mark Wotte me than Mark want me.
1:52:33That's that's the way I would put it like I just found him externally likable in the role I found that I did not find
1:52:40him. Corny. He just struck me as a guy with a sense of humor in a bad situation. So yeah definitely. Matt Damon.
1:52:51Thumbs up. Matt Damon. For marks.
1:52:54He did were hated Well I mean I joke about my time in but he's often very good that he is a good actor.
1:52:59I think I think he did a very good job in this one.
1:53:01I really really do is get the gimmick give me an epic because I only have one which is a ridiculous nitpick.
1:53:06But you tell me what your I have. I have two minor ones and they both pertain to that ending of the film.
1:53:14I do think they play it up a little bit too much the celebrations all live a at the end like her a he's alive like I
1:53:22didn't think I needed to go quite that she must see. At the end in itself a bit. Minute. At the Coney and a bit.
1:53:30Beneath Ridley Scott. To have gone that kind of let So celebrate around the world. Everything's great her a.
1:53:36We saved a fellow human really. Year. I thought it was such that it was a bit.
1:53:42I found a bit cringing and completely unprovoked my wife at the same thing.
1:53:46Maybe it's just as sensibility that we both saw that edge that's the.
1:53:50The montage of celebrations around the world was a bit.
1:53:53Made me feel a bit or could there maybe my judgment was severely impaired by this point.
1:53:57You're up you were you standing up cheering is your third martini and eight wine. As a quick side note. I find movies.
1:54:07Much more affecting in this. In the special movie theater when I'm also having alcohol as like oh.
1:54:14All your cheap movie tricks like they work. After a few drinks like this is why. This is why people do it and.
1:54:20Also I've noticed the same effect happens when I'm in an airplane. For some reason. If I want an airplane on a movie.
1:54:26I'm way more susceptible to all of the emotional heart pulling moments.
1:54:32You know or heartstring moments in a movie like.
1:54:34I don't know why but I'm just more susceptible under certain environments but yes so I the.
1:54:39The celebrations at the end.
1:54:40Didn't faze me in this light
1:54:41and I feel like oh I'm happy he's rescued of course the whole earth is happy to I was happy you know I didn't mind
1:54:47mission control over celebrating and having no meaningful looks and hugs
1:54:50but I just thought I just thought it was laid on a bit too thick.
1:54:54And my other complaint is sort of similar in general terms. I don't think they Nyota the ending.
1:55:01Like a gymnast that as a great retain and has a little stumbles that lands.
1:55:04I thought the ending could have been better. I do acknowledge he couldn't end the way the book and.
1:55:09From memory the book just ends with what needing put into the ship and.
1:55:12Right yeah it just ends he's on board and it's just that and that was a classy ending for the book.
1:55:17And I don't think he could have ended the film that way. I do think. Because there's so much peril about getting home.
1:55:25I do think we needed for a film we need to see what me back on Earth. As we did. But I just think.
1:55:32I don't know I'm not saying I've got a lot of better ideas but I just think the end. Could have been better.
1:55:39There are a few things about the ending I liked a lot of the moment when. All the trainees were joking past.
1:55:44Matt Damon as he sort of sat reflective on a bench and I sort of stopped with reverence
1:55:49and a lot I liked the idea that
1:55:50when what he does get back to earth he is this like super hero he is this near LOM strong that everyone wants to make
1:55:57him. And I just think the ending was a little bit flabby. And they didn't Nial it. They did well it didn't ruin a.
1:56:05But I didn't Iowa. You know. I do agree with that. It was fine. Yeah. I was watching it thinking.
1:56:11I'd probably cut this down by half.
1:56:14Yeah I think you could do the exact same thing with just edit it within an inch of its life
1:56:19and you'd be fine because the movies over it like we need to just get out of the theater as fast as possible taught by
1:56:26heart the loose ends quick smile and.
1:56:28Because you know when when Matt Damon then goes into the room with the astronauts and gives them a little lecture.
1:56:34There are a couple of humorous moments and the end of that same with I'll put their hands up is really good.
1:56:38But there was a still there was a little bit too much.
1:56:41Preaching to us a little bit too much message and you know use you science and use your brain and with me.
1:56:46Yeah that's already come across in the film you don't need to hammer that home we know idiots.
1:56:50I think you do that exact same scene. But where were Matt Damon is looking up and the cadets are walking past.
1:56:56And you could start the voice over then. Show him walking.
1:57:01Have a quick ending of it with him talking
1:57:04and then say any question hands go up real credit yeah right you do it do it in a quarter or half the time
1:57:10and I think you'd be more effective Yes but is it pretty nitpicky that that is nit picking. But yes.
1:57:19If you have what your nit pick. OK This nitpick is ridiculous because it would not be practical to do this.
1:57:26I kept being distracted by how Martian gravity is exactly the same as Earth gravity. I was just aware of this.
1:57:35In all of the scenes. When he's moving around or picking stuff up.
1:57:40It's not an unreasonable decision to make that you just can't constantly show that stuff is lighter
1:57:48or that a person would move differently on Mars..
1:57:51But I was just I was really aware of this feeling of it you just cannot walk like that. If you are in point four G.
1:57:58I don't know it just it was something I just kept being aware of in all of these outdoor scenes.
1:58:03But it may be partly because when I read the first book in the Mars. Trilogy.
1:58:09They are constantly harping on that book about how.
1:58:14Things are different on Mars about how people have to walk differently about how the structures can be built
1:58:19differently about how you move things around differently. It's a recurring point over and over again.
1:58:24And so I was just. I was just aware of that. I think.
1:58:28Had I been directing the movie I would probably have made the exact same decision there with the special effects team
1:58:33of like look eyes were not even going to try because it's too much of a hassle.
1:58:36And will never get it right all of the time. So we're just we're just not going to bother. But that was my nitpick.
1:58:42Was no Martian gravity special effects. That didn't bother me in the slightest.
1:58:47That is perhaps the nit picky is didn't it picks.
1:58:50That I have ever had or will ever However though I mean that was when the film came out when people.
1:58:55You know how whenever films of this come out there is obviously all the cheerleading
1:58:58but then there's also the science community pointing out the mistakes that
1:59:01when the myth that was a pretty common thing.
1:59:03I read articles where people were saying Well well the brevity wouldn't be like that that was a like that was.
1:59:09That was not an uncommon. Talking Point. At the time of the film was released. I don't know this.
1:59:16This nitpick to me is almost almost of the level of where your average astronaut isn't as attractive as your average
1:59:22person in Hollywood right. It's like OK but they're making a movie.
1:59:26And to just it just said you've got to change some stuff sometimes
1:59:29but also I remember the film that I said before that I think the worst film ever made.
1:59:33Mission to mass right I tried to be really honest about a few things like when there was a crisis in space
1:59:39and I had to Lot repair the ship. As it was suppressing mass because I think I think to little to little mate.
1:59:44Meteo it to something
1:59:45but they had I don't remember the plot box on the way to be employed on the way to mass something hits the ship
1:59:51and there's like a crisis and I have to like repair it.
1:59:55And they tried to be honest to what like doing space walks would be like and how slow things have to move
2:00:00and how silent things have to pay and some of the most tedious. Tedious filmmaking. In the history of film I think.
2:00:07And that made me realize and similarly in in Mission to Mars when they are making a few last minute changes to the.
2:00:14KEEP IN THE have to blow something up
2:00:15and do something to help get closer to mass to say what may I think they deliberately spread that up a bit and made.
2:00:22Space walking a bit less realistic. Just for the sake of the pace.
2:00:26Pacing and I'm pretty comfortable with it because it anyone who's watched a real space walk on live NASA T.V.
2:00:33or Something like that. My God Yeah it is about having taste both.
2:00:37So you have to say you can't you can't be honest about.
2:00:41Like I know this is the pinnacle of human achievement in some ways but it's also has both celebrity.
2:00:51I get the sense that you would love for me to at some point. Travel to Everest with you are asking. Guy.
2:01:00I think it would be a good fun trip I did it with my brother in law I went to beis camp in the I went with no i went to
2:01:05buy scan with my wife the first time in that was the trip of a lifetime.
2:01:09And I later I later on went with my brother in law and that was a really good. You know.
2:01:12Really good bloke bonding trip and brother in there as well.
2:01:15And I just think it's a great trip and I'd love to do it with more more friends
2:01:18and you know you're a good friend of mine and and. I think there's lots of things about it that would interest you say.
2:01:23I think we should do it one day I think we should do the trick to base camp.
2:01:27You realise sending me to movie like Everest.
2:01:30It does not increase your odds of me ever heard greening to this sort of trip.
2:01:36I know that you want to share your Everest excitement with me.
2:01:39But I'm not sure that you are able to perceive this movie. Through my eyes.
2:01:45Because just as the film was about to start. You sent me a text message which was something along the lines of.
2:01:53Don't forget. I only want to take you to base camp.
2:01:57So the first fifteen minutes of the film is really what that would be like if not the whole rest of the movie. Yes.
2:02:03Because because after that I knew it was going to put the fear of God into it right there. But the thing about that is.
2:02:08I don't think you perceive the first fifteen minutes of that movie in the same way that I was one of the opening shots.
2:02:17Is a helicopter flying over a slum in Katmandu to go to a rope bridge.
2:02:26No not in a thousand years and my stepping in that helicopter going to that bridge. In that country.
2:02:35Never never going to happen. But from your perspective it's like oh the first fifteen minutes. It's like a.
2:02:44It's like a gentle right on the ferry go around. I what I meant yeah. What I really meant was the first fifteen.
2:02:51The first fifteen minutes.
2:02:52Is a semi It was a very accurate depiction of what that walk from look like to buy scamp is like so yes I realize scary
2:03:00and there are high bridges and. You have to. You would get a helicopter to look like we'd fly that.
2:03:06But it is it is we don't fly in that airplane that crashed shortly after you were there that one.
2:03:11I'm no I'm not saying there are many many obstacles between you and a trip to Everest.
2:03:18And it probably will never happen I know if that but just what I wanted to make sure didn't happen.
2:03:23Was that all the stuff that happened above by scamp on the mountain did not add to those of us because the first
2:03:31fifteen minutes. Was obstacle enough. And that's a discussion for for many many of the days.
2:03:39And it was and I'm sure I'm sure will both.
2:03:42I'm sure this discussion will be continuing into were both too old to do the trip so that it would no longer be a
2:03:47problem. I'm actually just trying to run out the clock on you here BRADY Yeah.
2:03:51I think we're probably getting pretty close as it is now. Anyway.
2:03:56Anyway is that aside that aside what I didn't send you to say this is a. As part of my campaign Richards brochure.
2:04:02Basically.
2:04:03I went to say it because I'm in every sincere easiest and I wasn't going to say and it just suddenly occurred to me.
2:04:09I will have to say to someone some point. I might as well say on the big screen.
2:04:13You know what we had a conversation about this when I went to visit you while ago. Yeah.
2:04:17And you internally seemed deeply conflicted about whether you should go see the Everest movie.
2:04:24And as we were walking around in. And you were hemming and hawing and thinking about it. My thought was.
2:04:29This is a man who doesn't know he's going to go see the Everest movie and quite soon probably.
2:04:34You were quite conflicted about it but it was just inevitable that you were going to go. Yeah.
2:04:39I guess couldn't you couldn't not go. No that's true. And then after I'd say and I thought oh well you know.
2:04:45With the like something I don't like something.
2:04:47Whenever you're saying something you always want the people closest to you and your friends to say it.
2:04:51And now you know I thought I would want my fellow pod cast mate to say it just so I just so I could totally talk to
2:04:57someone about it right because your wife didn't go to this one that she didn't know she didn't say it's pretty it's
2:05:04pretty hard for us to find good spaces of time that we can go to the movie Things days without pretty busy but.
2:05:09And I thought she would like the Martian. And I thought she would not like Everest.
2:05:13So I used my wife time on the Martian. And I used my personal time on Everest.
2:05:19There's probably a good decision probably good this isn't there. So as as the Everest. Enthusiastic.
2:05:26What is your review of this movie. Well when tin.
2:05:31Pretty confident that I was going to be disappointed
2:05:34but like anything you can give you know a lot about what you know more than the average person about.
2:05:40You know you can to pick holes in a. And yeah it's just death sometimes.
2:05:45And it didn't it didn't same to get a lot of good reviews and there wasn't a lot of hype about it
2:05:50and a not a now I just I thought it might come across a bit telly Navy
2:05:55and a bit crappy So I did go in with low expectations. And you know what I thought it was really. Good.
2:06:03Yeah yeah I really liked it. It exceeded my expectations. All the things I thought it was going to do wrong.
2:06:10And upset me. It didn't. It wasn't flawless and there are things I didn't like about it.
2:06:16It wasn't you know it's not it's not my favorite maybe ever.
2:06:19But I think because my expectations had gotten so low that. In fact you know.
2:06:26It did really well and my
2:06:27and if I went in thinking it was going to be the greatest movie ever made I certainly would have walked out very
2:06:31disappointed man that because I went in just thinking. I'm saying this almost as a chore.
2:06:37And I kept waiting for it to fail and disappoint me. By the end of good really good really lacked it.
2:06:45And then I give a. I really approve of I give a thumbs up. Movie expectations are always so critical.
2:06:52With the best way to enjoy a movie is to think it's going to be terrible. Yeah. That's probably true. What about you.
2:06:57What's your where you stand. So the average movie is based on crack hours book. Into Thin Air.
2:07:05Well actually it's not it's
2:07:06but it's it's based on that incident that that same OK All right you've had this to me before about so confused by
2:07:12because I said to you before I went into the movie I said Oh in this based on crack hours book
2:07:17and he went oh no it's not based on crackers book.
2:07:19And then Jon Krakauer shows up in languages like oh really doesn't know what he's talking about Jon Krakauer decides
2:07:24being a journalist who wrote a book about it was a key character in this is a ninety ninety six I think was ninety six
2:07:30in this ninety six disaster on Everest Krakow that was that was a character. So the film is about that incident.
2:07:38And therefore Jon Krakauer is a character in the film
2:07:41but he didn't like authorize the film I think he's not a fan of the film and quite a few people depicted in the film
2:07:47or relatives of them. And not one hundred percent placed with this film. Krakow but one of the.
2:07:53It is the same incident as the book that he wrote. Frank. Yeah. OK. Yeah.
2:07:59But as I mean he basically I think they didn't buy the rights to his book. But yeah yeah yeah I know many of us.
2:08:06So when you say is that based on Krakow his book. I would say.
2:08:09The answer to that is no it's not by some crack house book
2:08:13but it's based on it than the ninety six disaster that crack I wrote about right. Right.
2:08:19But I think we can like the company right thing before we can fairly assume that the script writers are drawing.
2:08:26Extraordinarily heavily from his book about this incident I think for legal reasons they would say they didn't.
2:08:32And to and just quickly that I'll the books written about this incident.
2:08:35It's not the crack I wrote the the bestselling book about it but it's other people have written about it
2:08:40and have different versions of and. So you can very easily describe and write about this incident.
2:08:47Without using crack house book. Of course of course and everyone said I book.
2:08:52So I guess that's what I was just so thrown in the movie
2:08:55when cracker shows up I'm like oh Brady doesn't know what he's talking and I can is like OK.
2:08:59You're using this narrow legal istic sense in which nobody cares about like oh yes it's not really based on that book.
2:09:05Thank you I thought the way I was I'm that. This is.
2:09:09This is your Everest nursery showing my Everest notary and infamous miscommunication on text messages.
2:09:16And I can say it's based on the ninety six disaster and Everest. A bunch of think we died on the mountain.
2:09:21Jon Krakauer later. He was on the mountain at the time to write a magazine article about Everest climbing.
2:09:27Ended up getting the story of his life. And he survived and write a very famous book about a coat into thin air.
2:09:33Right hip. Upon which his movies obviously based echo. I had.
2:09:38I had read Into Thin Air as an audio book actually years ago on a road trip with my wife
2:09:44and we both really liked it because I read it years ago I had a dim memory of the events of what was occurring.
2:09:52But it was not like the Martian where I could remember.
2:09:55All sorts of details and pick up on little things in the Martian movie.
2:10:00That are references to the book like Oh isn't that clever they put the Chinese.
2:10:03After not in the montage at the end for the next scene.
2:10:07For the next Aries missions I I was not that level of detail with Everest but I did have a dim notion of it.
2:10:12Yes and I would say overall I really like the Everest movie. I enjoyed it but I had a good time.
2:10:20I did not think you would. Why didn't you think I'd like it. I didn't think the story would speak too much.
2:10:26I didn't think you would get You'd be very engaged by the the narrative and.
2:10:31As far as I know you're not a massive lover of mountains. So I didn't.
2:10:35I didn't know what you would like about it but I guess I'm about to find out. Even though.
2:10:40Climbing Mount Everest is not a thing that I'm interested in doing.
2:10:43I can completely sympathize with people who have the drive to do something like that and I can understand.
2:10:52I can understand wanting to achieve a goal like that and the characters in the people are are sympathetic. And you.
2:11:01You know I like the one. The one guy who has tried before and hasn't succeeded. You.
2:11:08You want someone like that to succeed so you're naturally on that guy's side.
2:11:11Yeah I feel like OK come on we've got to get you to the top of this mouth they did they did a pretty good job didn't I
2:11:16sort of fleshing out. Quite an ensemble of characters quite quickly so you. You're engaged with.
2:11:21Because it's the problem with a sort of stories are there are so many people scattered through it
2:11:25and they're all over the mountain
2:11:26and it gets to a point where you thinking on his host so to get us to get sympathy quickly I think they did that pretty
2:11:32well. Yeah and they characterized people. Pretty well.
2:11:36Yeah and this was even the my wife and I really did like the book. Our one complaint about into thin air.
2:11:43Was there are so many people and.
2:11:48Jon Krakauer as an author I had a bad habit of switching between first and last names.
2:11:54Brenda was like OK there's too many people already. You can't.
2:11:58Half of the time refer to them by their first name and half of the time by their last name.
2:12:02Essentially doubling the number of things that I need to keep track of.
2:12:06But yes so the movie had a number of people in it
2:12:08and I think it did a better job of having a sense of who's who of course. Doing a good job of picking primary color.
2:12:14Snow outfits for the main people that you need to keep track of your they require actual moving I did that well because
2:12:19I thought.
2:12:20Often with films like this it's very hard to tell who's who
2:12:23and they did that well didn't they let us A even though they're all in they say it's and I've got masks
2:12:27and go cause a lot.
2:12:29They did that Welsh letting you know who was there
2:12:30and they also got to detect their masks off a lot to have little chats.
2:12:33Which shows I have read for the things they would say. Yes. So the so all of that all of that worked really well. Yeah.
2:12:40And yes I found myself. I found myself getting wrapped up in the movie and I enjoyed it.
2:12:45The one thing which is very hard to do in a movie. And that I remember being better in the book is that.
2:12:55Probably about halfway through the disaster when you have people stranded all over the mountain
2:12:59and various things are going on it's hard to have a sense of the relative location of these people. Yeah.
2:13:07And says OK I know we're base camp is I know where everyone they're radioing down to is. But then a K.
2:13:15We're at which camp are they trying to get to is it Camp for.
2:13:18And then OK we're talking about the top of the Hillary step or the bottom of the Hillary step and.
2:13:24When he said that the Hillary step they think he's at the bottom but he says it's at the top and that's a big deal
2:13:29and so I'm a guessing these must be very far apart. But. I don't know if you could have stylistically done it.
2:13:37But there were a few times I wanted a bit of a bit of a thing like in Lord Of The Rings.
2:13:43When they get together and I like hey we need to talk about we're everywhere this battle is going to take place
2:13:48and the cameras going to focus on a map and people's hands pointing.
2:13:51I did feel a bit like I needed some someone at some point.
2:13:56Needed to show me a map of exactly where these things were made maybe they could have done a bit of exposition
2:14:02and by scam couldn't I was saying Oh Joe is up there and it was down there.
2:14:06Well the thing was they actually had something which I wonder if it got caught. If it got cut. But in the base camp.
2:14:13Section of the movie. They had in the background. A pinboard with people's photos.
2:14:18And they were moving them about where they were on the mountain.
2:14:21But the camera never zoomed in and never used that to help me is that as a viewer. Think of like where.
2:14:27Where are these people but it might just not of work in my have to slow things down.
2:14:31But I would have honestly even just love the little overlay on the screen like a heads up display like
2:14:35and someone show me where this is
2:14:37but it just might have been it might have been too distracting is that was perhaps maybe my.
2:14:41My main complaint has made a comment because I'd do understand all that quite well and therefore you have a ridiculous.
2:14:48Unfair Advantage which is you know exactly where it is
2:14:51but I actually thought they did that OK LOT I thought basically what they did was they just stripped all away
2:14:58and it did get to a point where I felt like that is had by scant which we all knew was far away and.
2:15:03Nothing to write anything. The summit of Mount Everest.
2:15:06This thing called the Hillary step which was a tricky little bottleneck. And then the some medium camp.
2:15:12That they're all trying to get back to
2:15:13and I think they did away with camp for in camp three in camp to a pretty quickly and.
2:15:17There was just this of a camp that I was trying to get down to that was safer. So I thought they kind of did. Simplify.
2:15:23But you. Evidence they didn't. Yeah yeah. I am aware that they simplified it. But yes I would say that it was.
2:15:32I don't think you could have simplified it further without losing what's actually happening right now just having to
2:15:38change the whole situation. I just would have.
2:15:40I could have used a little bit more hand-holding about the precise locations of these of these various people.
2:15:46But again. That's a relatively minor complaint and they didn't get in.
2:15:51It didn't get in the way of mine join the movie it was just a bit of like oh something.
2:15:55I feel like something's missing here slightly.
2:15:57But I don't know if this next thing is a complaint or not but when I read Into Thin Air.
2:16:05It completely changed my opinion of people who climb Mount Everest and took it from. The level of say.
2:16:18Astronaut's like people who walked on the moon. And people who have climbed Mount Everest.
2:16:25Are pretty close in accomplishments. And it took it down syndrome many notches. To basically slightly above.
2:16:35Fancy adventure holiday. And that. That's where there's now ranks. In my brain that this is.
2:16:41This is a high high on the level of adventure holiday. But you know what. It's something that.
2:16:48If I really wanted to I could prepare for and possibly do. Yeah. Way less impressive.
2:16:54And the main reason of course is Sherpas rather have basically didn't have any notion of Sherpas.
2:17:02Before I read Into Thin Air and. It's because people who climb Everest. Often leave out. This detail about Sherpas.
2:17:09I think I may have mentioned on the podcast previously. We had a woman who climbed Mount Everest.
2:17:14Come give a talk at one of my schools. And I'm sitting there in the back listening to her give the talk.
2:17:18And she gives the impression as though she was there with her ice picks. Pulling herself up by her arms.
2:17:25All on her lonesome making it to the top of Everest and. She made a critical mistake.
2:17:30Which was off handedly referencing the ropes. At one of the pool at one point in her talk.
2:17:34And a clever girl in the audience picked up on that. And after who put the ropes in.
2:17:39And then she had to explain Sherpas.
2:17:41And it was like all of the energy got totally sucked out of the room like oh you're not really climbing this mountain.
2:17:46You're following a path that someone has carved for you into this mountain.
2:17:51Still difficult but not remotely the same as the image that is often portrayed of this.
2:17:56I mean that's the real message of the book Into Thin Air
2:17:59and oh say this movie that I mean this is the ninety six every stride today.
2:18:04Is considered the moment that this was exposed wasn't the fact that.
2:18:08Taking terrorists up the mountain is all well and good and they do just follow a path
2:18:12and hang on to the right to put it simply. But then when things go. Wrong. If you're not a mess.
2:18:18If you're not a mountain air and haven't got certain skills then that's. That's when those people get found out.
2:18:23This is sort of the famous thing is and that's the that's the that's the moral of the stories and.
2:18:28Yeah that was really the thrust in the Book of these people. Possibly shouldn't be on this mountain.
2:18:34And it was the set up of the film I mean it was the. The little text. Stuff.
2:18:38Pretty much was about that was
2:18:39and the meat there are a couple of a wood references to it through the film about you know.
2:18:43It's not my style contractors' up the mountain right. I mean it's. That's why Rob hope dies row yeah.
2:18:49Ruffo died because he it was dragging an amateur up the mountain. Because that was what he did.
2:18:54And that's why they both died. Sorry. I mean he should come away. I think that's glossed over by the film.
2:19:01Oh no I don't think that's glossed over by the film at all but my.
2:19:06My reason for bringing up the Sherpas is just that the Sherpas are such heroes.
2:19:12That I felt they should have more on screen time I guess obvious that the Sherpas are doing a bunch of stuff.
2:19:18But even in this movie. This feeling of like. I don't think you really understand how much the Sherpas are doing yeah.
2:19:24Sarah says. The camera is focusing on the main characters and they kind of give orders to the Sherpas.
2:19:32And then you know the Sherpas are going out and doing stuff and then when they're going to climb like there's ropes
2:19:36and things there. Again. There's not time to show all of this. But if anybody gets short changed.
2:19:41Relative to the amount of work they're doing. It is the Sherpas by by by far. I missed of course this tree.
2:19:48The more Sherpas in every Everest movie. I don't think this film needed more characters.
2:19:53Oh definitely trying to share because I absolutely here is of Everest. With Without a doubt without a doubt.
2:20:01So the only thing. I wish I could have remembered. The book better. When I was watching the movie because.
2:20:10In addition to Sherpas are heroes. As one of the big takeaways from reading the book.
2:20:16My main other memory of reading that book was that this disaster. Was an excellent example of how.
2:20:25A number of very small problems. None of which are problems on their own can compound into a total disaster.
2:20:37And when I was watching the movie I was.
2:20:39I was kind of hoping to be reminded of what the details were of how this went wrong and how this went wrong
2:20:45and how this went wrong. And the movie didn't have that.
2:20:50And it's maybe it's not a fault because again a movie can't possibly cover any everything.
2:20:55But I did find myself after the movie wondering like I should go back
2:20:58and look up what those details were that they were they were just slightly short of oxygen at this point.
2:21:05And they were just slightly far behind at this point.
2:21:09And you know there was just one too many people crossing the get
2:21:12and like none of these things on their own would have been a problem. But all of them together.
2:21:16Were a disaster at least that's at least as my memory of the book from a long time ago
2:21:20but I don't know if that actually. If that actually was the case. I think.
2:21:24I think the the myth film I have got buried in the New sure if it did that
2:21:28but you're right that there are you know a lot of information is lost in this room.
2:21:32I think in the movie you got the feeling that this was ninety five percent the storm's fault.
2:21:39And I remember my takeaway from the book was the storm happened. But all of this could have been avoidable.
2:21:48If these other minor problems didn't also occur.
2:21:51And I just think those are those are very different feelings to have of like this Everest movie in some ways felt like
2:21:58the mountain version of a perfect storm.
2:22:01That they're like there's a big storm that's coming and it's humans versus the storm. Yeah and that the book.
2:22:08The book perspective might have been much more that this is a manmade disaster. Yeah.
2:22:13That is a tragedy of small area and it didn't dwell on the folly of humans it did a little bit but not much.
2:22:18Not as much as the book did that. The trick to the mountain. At the start as a point to a second ago.
2:22:24I particularly enjoyed because it was just to the memory line things may not a lot of the shots of the walking
2:22:30and neck sheep is a so I was very I felt very nostalgic about that path. The fail. I did.
2:22:36Couple of nearly points there are obviously like in every snow it can sit there
2:22:40and think you should know that now you should have done that not that there was only one real nerdy moment that made me
2:22:48unhappy. And it made me unhappy because it was so incredibly unnecessary.
2:22:52Like a lot of a lot of things the nerd and you can say. Can say that's not accurate but I know why they did it.
2:22:57But this just seems so unnecessary.
2:22:59There was a line early on in the film when the rep when the people arrive at base camp.
2:23:03And someone says something along the lines of Yep it's the same view that George Everest had
2:23:08and that line really bugged me because it didn't add anything unless they wanted to make it clear that.
2:23:14Maybe the thing that we're trying to add. Was that Mt Everest is named after a person called Everest.
2:23:19And that's with an income from. Maybe that's the reason the line was in the film.
2:23:22But George every story versus Is his name's actually pronounced. Never actually saw the mountain.
2:23:28That's quite a famous thing yet were guarded by scamp.
2:23:31He never even paranoia he never even saw it with a telescope from miles away. So.
2:23:36So to put that law in in almost felt like it was a deliberate wind up. Because that's like a famous face of trivia and.
2:23:44Even if he did say it which I don't think he did. Even if you did see. He most certainly did not go to base camp.
2:23:50I mean you can't say man ever struck by Skip anywhere but that's another net. Then the way.
2:23:56I'm sitting there the theater. Drink in hand to corner the other hand. Thinking.
2:24:02Oh yeah it's named after a guy that I react like I wasn't for then you know you make my point and.
2:24:10Another thing before I saw the film I think. I had read that.
2:24:13Scott fish a Scottish It was one of the the two guards of the two companies. Both these guys got START.
2:24:21Guy could rob how they got go Scott Fisher who were leading teams.
2:24:26And I read an article by Scott fish's wife beforehand. Was a very well written article our law.
2:24:32She's she's very eloquent has really interesting things to say about it and.
2:24:36She's very negative about the film for lots of reasons. And one of the reasons. She.
2:24:40It's really interesting article she also writes a lot about how if you become like a character.
2:24:45A character who's famous.
2:24:47You lose kind of all rights to self in the film company could just say what they want to bury him with the defend yeah
2:24:52he's a public out. Such a really interesting topic but I won't go it down that path.
2:24:56But one of the things she said was she was unhappy with the depiction of him
2:25:00and reading between the lines I think she was right he was depicted as a bit.
2:25:03Bit of a stoner or something a bit of a you know. Hippie told he was careless and. So I went into the film.
2:25:10Quite a change to that. And the white Scott Fisher was depicted. He was played by check giving a hole in the film.
2:25:17And I think he was depicted a bit that way is bit of that the wild child in the hip A but also he was depicted OK.
2:25:25I think the depiction of Scott Fischer where there was accurate
2:25:27or not I mean it could be a million miles from where he was like as a man. I don't think I came out of the film.
2:25:34Thinking really negatively about him.
2:25:36I just want to say that because I thought it was going to be really unfair on him and make him look like a really Dia.
2:25:41And I think. I came across I came into thinking I locked the guy. And you know. I'm sorry he died.
2:25:48I've no idea what he was like in real life but I don't think he got a really rodeo in the film. Did you.
2:25:54Again at as the person with much less background on this my take away from of the character was maybe he was a former
2:26:04hippie. Or he was still a bit of a hippie. But he was also clearly in charge of the more serious team. Yeah.
2:26:14I think that's that's the way that the movie portrays him that I came away with the impression that he was.
2:26:20Maybe the more competent. Climber and team leader of the two main characters.
2:26:26Yeah hug I came across as bit more of a maverick but he had it work outs. You know he was a was a good climber.
2:26:32And when when when the crunch came he could. He could do a lot of stuff.
2:26:36Yeah I I came away with nothing negative about this character.
2:26:40So yeah I mean whatever I just thought it was interesting because the wife had made such a song and dance.
2:26:47Quite well within her rights to it hits her husband died on the mountain. Yeah that or said.
2:26:52But I just thought I didn't. I didn't come across come out thinking scarf Isha. You know. If you could have an idiot.
2:26:58Another graph I had was the way some of the exposition. Was done early on at base camp. Like I know you need.
2:27:06Stuff for. Dummies.
2:27:09And you need stuff for people who have no win like me when I put your IP is slightly above dummy though. But like.
2:27:16When they get to base camp. And it obviously needs to be explained to people that when you climb a mountain.
2:27:23You go to you go up a bit to a camp one.
2:27:26Then you come down the got to Camp three and you come down and you move up and down to a climate or us
2:27:31and that needs to be explained to people because otherwise earlier in the film you can be really confused as to why
2:27:36people are going up and down across in ivory tower.
2:27:39But the way they chose to explain it was all of these climbers who are about to go up Mount Everest have arrived by
2:27:45scamp and they go into the tent. And the woman who sort of in charge of by scamps it's the mode am.
2:27:52And she explains them that's what's going to happen.
2:27:55And that is ridiculous because all these people have climbed many mountains before.
2:28:00They have spent months and months preparing for this trip. They know everything that's going to happen.
2:28:06It's completely unrealistic.
2:28:09That the head of the mission would wait until they're arrived at base camp and then explain to them. OK.
2:28:14This is what we're going to do. We're going to go up to Camp one. Them again to come down. They know where this stuff.
2:28:19And I know it needs to be explained using exposition.
2:28:22But surely they could have come up with a more creative way to explain a lot
2:28:26and not not not insult our intelligence by having all the experienced climbers been told how a mountain is about to be
2:28:33climbed she's just she's just going over the schedule. That's all that that father was she will you go ahead.
2:28:39This is so you can a climatized. These people know you always have to go over the schedule Brady. It doesn't matter.
2:28:47It doesn't matter how many times people here are there are good for the person in charge needs to go through the
2:28:53schedule one more time. I have I would have been much more comfortable if they used. You know.
2:28:58A tracker or a journalist or something. Asking a question and the to and having explained.
2:29:04And that would have seemed more realistic. That that that just that bothered me.
2:29:08And after that because I don't think this film insulted our intelligence.
2:29:12That that little bit insulted my intelligence. Other things. I thought the film.
2:29:17One thing I do think the soon get well. Was convey the size of everything really well. And that's where C.G.I.
2:29:24Really came into its own didn't. You know you couldn't have made this film. You know. A while ago.
2:29:30And done such a good job of sophist time of the man Everest is big and.
2:29:37Because they're able to do their shots where they start on a person and Penrod out
2:29:40and show how small they are in comparison and that's often lost in a lot of mountaineering films
2:29:45and that that the scale of things. I thought this did a really good job of conveying scale. Oh yeah.
2:29:52And that's what I was same for with this was the best use in some ways of the three D.
2:29:56Effect of to to add to that scale. So they go is the. The worst use of three D.
2:30:02In some ways because of the sheer number of people in the foreground on the edge of the screen. But the.
2:30:08Miss is the only movie I can say where they go yet. For these parts three D.
2:30:11Definitely added to it and having that sense of scale helped.
2:30:14The reason I didn't think I was going to last film as I thought it was very quickly going to turn into one of those
2:30:19films where a big storm hits every like I said with a Martian everything was going to turn dark.
2:30:26Everyone was going to start shouting at each other you were going to have no idea who was her you know the swirling
2:30:31snow.
2:30:32And I was just going to become a mess
2:30:35and I was going to be like knowledge of what's going on just make the noise stop I want to go home.
2:30:40But I thought they did a really good job of just a second old man here
2:30:44but they didn't make it to a layout they didn't make it too complicated and they had faith.
2:30:49They made the storm look bad and scary
2:30:52but they didn't make the storm this epic howling wind that just completely made the film impossible to follow.
2:30:57That kind of turned it down pretty quick.
2:31:00And let us concentrate on the people in the problems that we're having without having to shell out the problems that is
2:31:05through the snow all the time. It's a good movie. For Old Men Brady.