The Incomparable

207: I Am Groot


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  welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

  I'm your host Jason Snell and in this [TS]

  episode which is very exciting week we [TS]

  often will record far in advance and we [TS]

  talk about things that happened far in [TS]

  the past and I creates a timeless [TS]

  quality which is great because you can [TS]

  say hey go back and listen to episode 43 [TS]

  and I don't even know which one that is [TS]

  and it'll be as just as timely today as [TS]

  it was back then and but we're going to [TS]

  do something a little more current which [TS]

  is we're going to talk about the [TS]

  guardians of the galaxy which just came [TS]

  out like a little more than a week ago [TS]

  as we record this and we're going to get [TS]

  out there are striking while the iron is [TS]

  mildly warm as opposed to the usual cold [TS]

  that it often is when we talk about [TS]

  works and joining me to talk about the [TS]

  latest Marvel spectacular film are a a [TS]

  lovely collection of people including [TS]

  but not limited to David J lower hi [TS]

  David all come on man star lure also [TS]

  joining us [TS]

  Monty Ashley oh yeah and then there's [TS]

  Tony sindelar i am tony and finally it's [TS]

  good to have her back [TS]

  serenity Caldwell hello hello I'm gonna [TS]

  try not to suck all the joy out of [TS]

  everything so also i'm in i'm informed [TS]

  that our episode 43 is about fringe [TS]

  which is currently streaming on netflix [TS]

  so it's totally totally relevant [TS]

  perfectly cromulent there you want to go [TS]

  listen to episode 43 so guardians of the [TS]

  galaxy [TS]

  this is [TS]

  yeah this is a fascinating film because [TS]

  it is a Marvel movie in the Marvel [TS]

  Cinematic Universe and yet with one [TS]

  character I think connecting it to the [TS]

  rest of everything that they've ever [TS]

  done [TS]

  obviously there are comics of guardians [TS]

  of the galaxy that are connected in many [TS]

  different ways but this is a step [TS]

  outside of the comfort zone i think it [TS]

  would it would be safe to say for from [TS]

  Marvel it's a really different movie in [TS]

  terms of topic in terms of location in [TS]

  terms of tone and I thought we start [TS]

  there is just like how how different [TS]

  this movie is and how it feels like a [TS]

  very different kind of movie then say [TS]

  captain america or the Avengers yeah [TS]

  well it doesn't have the all of Marvel [TS]

  movies up to this point have had sort of [TS]

  the grounded of fantastic realism to [TS]

  them where it's the lake [TS]

  yes the comic book universe is a [TS]

  universe very similar to our own where [TS]

  it's possible for people to rise up and [TS]

  become greater than they are on whereas [TS]

  this film very much bucks that almost [TS]

  immediately [TS]

  Hey look at our are overly normal the [TS]

  first 10 minutes the movie without how [TS]

  much we always spoiler warning [TS]

  everything I let's so this is always a [TS]

  explore have horn philosophy 101 is [TS]

  where we are now I I'd say let's listen [TS]

  maybe keep it light on on on the [TS]

  spoilers for another few minutes maybe [TS]

  that that sounds good to me [TS]

  alright so just you know to keep it [TS]

  spoiler spoiler spoiler free within the [TS]

  first 10 minutes of the movie they make [TS]

  it very very clear what kind of movie [TS]

  this is and it's not slightly a slight [TS]

  magical realism it's oh we're just going [TS]

  to go into full on syfy magic with a [TS]

  dash of action adventure basically [TS]

  raiders of the lost ark in space [TS]

  yeah it's a and it's it is really [TS]

  irreverent in a way that I mean I guess [TS]

  the original Iron Man felt quite [TS]

  irreverent but this is even more so than [TS]

  that a loose adventure story it's a [TS]

  sci-fi story and not a xanax earth-based [TS]

  like action-thriller superhero movie [TS]

  yeah it's not a superhero [TS]

  the movie at all although it's very [TS]

  comic booky and there are characters [TS]

  with superhuman powers all of the [TS]

  superhuman powers are attached to [TS]

  interpreters who aren't human [TS]

  Yeah right there super super human back [TS]

  here and I mean speaking of setting the [TS]

  tone right up at the top [TS]

  i loved how I mean you know obviously I [TS]

  went in knowing the trailers and knowing [TS]

  the basic tone but you know even if you [TS]

  go in completely cold you know it starts [TS]

  at like you know this desayunaste [TS]

  fiction landscape and you know i mean [TS]

  almost the one thing i want to say is [TS]

  the whole movie looked like covers of [TS]

  galaxies and the magazine of fantasy and [TS]

  science fiction and you know all these [TS]

  wonderful science fiction landscapes and [TS]

  you know you see that you see this [TS]

  figure moving through this landscape and [TS]

  then music kicks in and he just starts [TS]

  dancing and you know that's that's just [TS]

  this wonderful moment that says alright [TS]

  we're not just another space we're going [TS]

  to be silly and i love that my favorite [TS]

  part of that which is kind of meta is [TS]

  that it was an opening credit sequence [TS]

  which movies don't do anymore [TS]

  yes yes I loved that my kids actually [TS]

  inform me a few months ago that they [TS]

  know when a movie is old when there are [TS]

  credits at the front of the movie notice [TS]

  said this yeah I noticed that this movie [TS]

  has unlike all the other Marvel movies [TS]

  in fact they can't have your traditional [TS]

  mid-credits sequence in some ways [TS]

  because they don't have the initial [TS]

  credits to run at the end that it's [TS]

  actually at the beginning and it and [TS]

  it's great because you set that tone and [TS]

  i love i love the choice and i know this [TS]

  was something that was added by by the [TS]

  director James Gunn the the choice of [TS]

  tying Peter quill who is ultimately play [TS]

  by Chris Pratt who is great i think that [TS]

  is a great find of what a what a what a [TS]

  nice piece of casting he is such a a a [TS]

  winning winning kind of actor you want [TS]

  to root for him it feels like a regular [TS]

  guy and hear of simultaneously which is [TS]

  really hard to do [TS]

  time to earth and the only seen that [TS]

  happens on earth in the entire movie is [TS]

  the first scene of the movie where Peter [TS]

  is a kid his mom is dying she gives him [TS]

  she wants to talk to him she dies she's [TS]

  got this cassette tape that he's [TS]

  listening to and he's got a gift that is [TS]

  his grandfather puts in his backpack and [TS]

  he's abducted by aliens and that's the [TS]

  beginning of the movie and then we we [TS]

  get that mixtape throughout the movie [TS]

  and it's the one thing that attaches us [TS]

  to the earth and uh what a great not [TS]

  only does it set the tone because it's [TS]

  all like classic rock but it also is the [TS]

  one thing that kind of keeps us grounded [TS]

  in the entire movie because if this [TS]

  movie i think really risked being [TS]

  completely untethered from reality right [TS]

  it's like yeah i think the weakest thing [TS]

  in the first 30 minutes is the the [TS]

  download of information it it felt very [TS]

  much like some other sci-fi movies where [TS]

  you have so much terminology and so many [TS]

  like weird [TS]

  loading we have weird names and stuff [TS]

  was like well it's a nose and he's [TS]

  related to Ronan and there's the necks [TS]

  and our oh my god Ryan there's some very [TS]

  expositional dial it's rightly right but [TS]

  I was bad but i'm good now trust me [TS]

  right right and and and a lot of times [TS]

  when that happens it can lose an [TS]

  audience where they're like I don't know [TS]

  what the hell is going on and you know I [TS]

  felt that way about there are a lot of [TS]

  movies that I've ended up not liking [TS]

  have been like that but I feel like the [TS]

  the grounding of it with earth and with [TS]

  the music and with the tone is like the [TS]

  movies trying to send you a signal it's [TS]

  like all right first off if you don't [TS]

  get it it's fine it'll be fine because [TS]

  we're gonna have fun and second off uh [TS]

  you know you you can just it if you [TS]

  dunno know about this stuff you you know [TS]

  about it and that's good for you but if [TS]

  you don't know about it [TS]

  it's ok we got you covered because it's [TS]

  gonna be a fun ride anyway there's music [TS]

  and stuff you recognize I just felt like [TS]

  that was a high-wire act because there [TS]

  is so much I'd argue there's too much [TS]

  and they probably could have simplified [TS]

  it but there's so much there but they [TS]

  managed to make you not hate the movie [TS]

  in the first 30 minutes when they're [TS]

  throwing out where the kill and there's [TS]

  Drax and there's Nova prime on sand are [TS]

  American free and there's Roman energy [TS]

  on do and there's the peace treaty [TS]

  between the cramming areas Andorians and [TS]

  the Ravagers who kidnapped [TS]

  oh my god and that all of a sudden it's [TS]

  the weakest or [TS]

  minutes of the movie yeah but you know [TS]

  what the timing of the script and the [TS]

  timing of the movie and the editing that [TS]

  is what I think hold it together is [TS]

  because you do have all of this [TS]

  ridiculous exposition but you have James [TS]

  Gunn has an innate ability to know [TS]

  exactly when a joke needs to happen so [TS]

  we've got time to long time to throw in [TS]

  something funny that people don't just [TS]

  start to get their eyes glazed over and [TS]

  he doesn't repeatedly throughout the [TS]

  movie and actually some of my criticism [TS]

  of james gunn in the past as a director [TS]

  has been that at times he doesn't know [TS]

  when to rain back like I super is a [TS]

  great example of a movie that I really [TS]

  wanted to like and that has some really [TS]

  great stuff but also some some stuff [TS]

  that goes way too far and you're like a [TS]

  James Gunn comeback comeback but the the [TS]

  combination here whatever you know [TS]

  whoever James Gunn was working with in [TS]

  regards to marvel to balance this script [TS]

  out is just it's it's note it's almost [TS]

  no perfectly there are a couple [TS]

  instances where it doesn't quite work [TS]

  but even like with all of the exposition [TS]

  and the I just want to say really [TS]

  quickly about that opening sequence when [TS]

  I was a Disneyland a couple weeks ago [TS]

  thats the sneak preview that they were [TS]

  showing they showed the start of Peter [TS]

  getting on landing on the landing on the [TS]

  planet landing on Morag up through his [TS]

  ship getting a nice waterfall on it is [TS]

  the best spoiler lite version i can [TS]

  describe and from from like two minutes [TS]

  of watching that i just i went from [TS]

  being moderately excited for this movie [TS]

  being like yeah I love you know i love [TS]

  Chris Pratt and this is gonna be fun and [TS]

  then as soon as the music kicked in and [TS]

  the big giant guardians of the galaxy [TS]

  came up my mind my job kind of dropped [TS]

  and I went oh oh yeah this is this is [TS]

  this kind of a movie this is the kind of [TS]

  movie that i am going to really really [TS]

  latch onto and two weeks later three [TS]

  weeks later absolutely right no right on [TS]

  the money [TS]

  I don't see why we shouldn't fire off [TS]

  the spoil [TS]

  around here by the way because quite [TS]

  frankly you need to go see this movie [TS]

  it's in theaters now go go watch it are [TS]

  watching this time to go watch it and [TS]

  stream it and then come back and listen [TS]

  to it so i hear it coming now here comes [TS]

  the spoiler horn [TS]

  ok ma Monty you're going to say [TS]

  something I really like how the opening [TS]

  sequence isn't just action it actually [TS]

  establishes Peter quills character [TS]

  because for the movie to work it's [TS]

  essential that we buy him as basically a [TS]

  goofball but also very competent at what [TS]

  he does [TS]

  hmm so we have to the whole movie think [TS]

  oh sure this is a guy who might try [TS]

  doing a dance off to distract somebody [TS]

  but also somebody who when the chips are [TS]

  down can actually shoot all the right [TS]

  people [TS]

  I did question the strategy of putting [TS]

  on headphones while trying to infiltrate [TS]

  a secret temple in order to steal an orb [TS]

  but I think that's like that's part of [TS]

  who we think he's just goofing around [TS]

  he's right [TS]

  well yeah maybe she'd also like that's [TS]

  like and also like he knew he knew where [TS]

  that room was and like they shot a hole [TS]

  in it he was out of the temple in one [TS]

  second right without having to navigate [TS]

  the whole thing but like you know this [TS]

  is him by himself you know and he thinks [TS]

  nothing conduction band he's gonna dance [TS]

  around and not worry about the weird [TS]

  carnivorous aliens in this the this [TS]

  temple because that's that's what he's [TS]

  doing that is his day at work you know [TS]

  that is 925 I can't tell you how much i [TS]

  run i love the idea that I'm that the [TS]

  this is the idea of a hero who has a [TS]

  cool name like superheroes do except [TS]

  nobody knows it and nobody gets it and [TS]

  nobody cares is it such a great [TS]

  there are so many great running jokes [TS]

  every character basically has their own [TS]

  running joke that they can tell i think [TS]

  but with with him its star-lord which [TS]

  nobody knows and nobody cares about the [TS]

  very end somebody called star-lord and [TS]

  he's like alright finally man i may [TS]

  appreciate that made it because there [TS]

  because although the whole movie it's [TS]

  like I you know star-lord and like no [TS]

  prints no no okay don't know anything [TS]

  about name is not that we're never heard [TS]

  of it [TS]

  nope for what it's worth that's probably [TS]

  the biggest change from the yeah yeah [TS]

  yeahs the kind eyes [TS]

  I i read that I've read some of the [TS]

  comics because i read the whole [TS]

  annihilation think i'm a big nova fan [TS]

  actually and you know nova in someone [TS]

  has to be someone has to be it's me it's [TS]

  me well Green Lantern you know it [TS]

  no visit the knockoff Green Lantern [TS]

  basically in the Marvel Universe but I [TS]

  like no rich writer and all that and and [TS]

  and annihilation conquest sort of [TS]

  started as a nova story but it was also [TS]

  a car [TS]

  into the galaxy story and by the way [TS]

  this is the point if you have the [TS]

  over-under at 20 minutes or whatever [TS]

  there's a point where I point out that [TS]

  one member of the guardians of the [TS]

  galaxy [TS]

  yes maybe my choice yeah you please god [TS]

  so there's a micro not according to the [TS]

  galaxy link here one of the characters [TS]

  not burden by intellectual property [TS]

  issues that can reappear in Marvel [TS]

  Comics is bug and so he's been in the [TS]

  Guardians but anyway that it is a [TS]

  different story [TS]

  this is this is like they become a strip [TS]

  mind the recent Guardians story 444 [TS]

  pieces but it's not mean that that's the [TS]

  beauty of this in some ways nobody [TS]

  really cares if you change the story cuz [TS]

  nobody asked the guardians of the galaxy [TS]

  or anyone [TS]

  well I recently became obsessed with [TS]

  kind of the origins especially if Groot [TS]

  and Rocket i read the annihilation [TS]

  prologue trade paperback which gives the [TS]

  origins of a bunch of nonsensical space [TS]

  creating characters many of whom are [TS]

  exactly identical star-lord and quasar [TS]

  and Nova all have the same origin and [TS]

  practically the same name but I was [TS]

  really happy that group whose origin was [TS]

  in nineteen sixty as a monster from [TS]

  Planet X in the movie when they're doing [TS]

  the kind of lineup thing and you see [TS]

  they're like powers listed as [TS]

  superimposed on the screen it says [TS]

  groups origin is X ah so even in the [TS]

  universe [TS]

  he's from Planet X them case there are a [TS]

  lot of little subtle nods in that script [TS]

  that's the sequence which I appreciated [TS]

  also noted that it does indeed say that [TS]

  rocket has broken out of prison 22 times [TS]

  he's pretty little this show when he's [TS]

  got a plan he's got a big friend yeah [TS]

  little guy with the big friend go away [TS]

  so yeah so when I saw this movie trailer [TS]

  i thought uh I thought it would rain [TS]

  mentioned raiders of the lost ark is I [TS]

  thought of Star Wars obviously and one [TS]

  of the things that I think is lacking in [TS]

  a lot of sci-fi movies these days I feel [TS]

  like we've gotten so dark and gritty and [TS]

  all that that that that we've actually [TS]

  lost a lot of the funds maybe truce of [TS]

  superhero movies too but it's certainly [TS]

  trap silently it and that's from the [TS]

  trailer i thought okay this has the [TS]

  potential to be that kind of movie The [TS]

  Star Wars kind of movie where it is a [TS]

  rollicking good [TS]

  i manned up more or less delivered [TS]

  I I you know I wouldn't say that I would [TS]

  I I wouldn't consider this a great movie [TS]

  but uh I think it's a good movie and I [TS]

  think one of the reasons that it gets me [TS]

  on its side is because of the fun it has [TS]

  the fact that in these really weird and [TS]

  street weird sci-fi settings like the [TS]

  the severed head of a giant alien that [TS]

  is now used as a space station there [TS]

  minding it which is and they're mining [TS]

  the cranes and snuffling think that's [TS]

  very farscape that is like a really [TS]

  bizarre thing i love i love that but in [TS]

  there you have these characters and you [TS]

  have you have on and there are in a [TS]

  proposition with the Nova Corps who are [TS]

  are totally straight-laced serious and [TS]

  that's where you've got you've got your [TS]

  uh Peter Serafinowicz and gents ear and [TS]

  john c reilly right and so I I [TS]

  restaurant the real actors all live [TS]

  where they live on over there no end and [TS]

  yeah writing is your Glenn Close [TS]

  Tehran's and are there the well and as a [TS]

  nova fan i find it really hilarious [TS]

  because what they've decided here to do [TS]

  is is do something that's actually a [TS]

  really funny thing that Marvel Comics [TS]

  due to which is going to roll their eyes [TS]

  at the Nova Corps is like yes and are [TS]

  they are the perfect planet everybody [TS]

  loves them they've got the Nova Corps [TS]

  the interstellar police people and [TS]

  everybody roll their eyes at them [TS]

  because they're just too perfect and [TS]

  that's who our characters are as they're [TS]

  not the perfect people they are this [TS]

  ragtag bunch of people who meet [TS]

  essentially and-and-and bond in in jail [TS]

  what kind of movie is that while they [TS]

  bond in jail it for like 20 minutes [TS]

  sure they don't spend a lot of time as [TS]

  prisoners well they would all die they [TS]

  stuck a stick around but that it is it's [TS]

  made a lot of people [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah and so everybody's got [TS]

  their thing uh we got rocket raccoon who [TS]

  is voiced by bradley cooper who I found [TS]

  unrecognizable I would never have [TS]

  guessed bradley cooper in a million [TS]

  years who is a Ricky raccoon and so one [TS]

  of my favorite things in the entire [TS]

  movie is when Chris Pratt says basically [TS]

  like dude you're like a raccoon and he [TS]

  says what's a raccoon [TS]

  because he's not from Earth he's never [TS]

  been there he doesn't know what a [TS]

  raccoon is that's great and group who [TS]

  says I'm group and all he ever says I'm [TS]

  group [TS]

  what a great and yet great character [TS]

  like the iron giant voice by vin diesel [TS]

  great it's that the expressive eyes and [TS]

  the and the vocal patterns just the eyes [TS]

  and big black eyes and smile [TS]

  oh so that yeah that's too that's and [TS]

  later in the movie but there is there is [TS]

  one moment with group that I think [TS]

  everybody probably knows what I'm [TS]

  talking about if you seen it where [TS]

  something very big and violent happens [TS]

  and normally you'd be like oh god that's [TS]

  kind of horrible and then group turns [TS]

  around and gives you the biggest happy [TS]

  and smiling like there's also he's so [TS]

  powerful because I mean Groot is like [TS]

  the secret weapon because he can grow [TS]

  things and he's got his likely to make a [TS]

  little flowers for people and give them [TS]

  to him which is adorable he is he is [TS]

  this amazing character but when they're [TS]

  breaking out of the jail there's [TS]

  definitely that moment where all of this [TS]

  jeopardy happens and then group shows up [TS]

  and the comment is something like oh [TS]

  sure now you show up right because they [TS]

  like keep him out of the out of the [TS]

  movie for a little while because he's [TS]

  gonna be too helpful and they need to be [TS]

  that they need to put everybody at a [TS]

  little bit of a risk before group comes [TS]

  back because groups pretty awesome i [TS]

  think what made this movie so surprising [TS]

  for me is that so many of the core group [TS]

  of ragtag heroes have a really high [TS]

  degree of difficulty like group could [TS]

  have gone seriously wrong [TS]

  yeah rock it out Roger kind of luring [TS]

  right yeah I think rocket could have [TS]

  been a complete disaster rocket could [TS]

  have gone wrong two ways but he has [TS]

  great facial expressions somehow cgi is [TS]

  that good [TS]

  also just were all sick of the randomly [TS]

  homicidal character except this time [TS]

  we're super fun and even Drax after a [TS]

  wrestler is highly risky [TS]

  yeah but he works for me that guy's [TS]

  hilarious yeah his deadpan let's take a [TS]

  break so i can tell you about something [TS]

  cool and this is cool and it's new it's [TS]

  from drobo and it's a new third [TS]

  generation [TS]

  model of drobo if you don't know what [TS]

  drobo is dro a sense for data robotics [TS]

  the original storage robot was the [TS]

  concept way back when when drobo was [TS]

  started the idea is these are smart [TS]

  devices you put hard drives in them and [TS]

  it figures out how to use them [TS]

  it gives you redundancy it protects your [TS]

  data and lets you store huge amounts of [TS]

  data in one box and you can swap the [TS]

  drives in and out if you have a failure [TS]

  or if you want more disk space it's very [TS]

  cool but let me tell you about this new [TS]

  gen 3 troppo it's a 4dr units you can [TS]

  fit up to four full-size hard drives in [TS]

  it and those hard drives can contain a [TS]

  lot of data so a drobo box with four [TS]

  drives and it can contain a huge amount [TS]

  of data it's faster than the old models [TS]

  is a USB 3 interface as a new faster [TS]

  dual-core processor powering it and as a [TS]

  result it is a much faster device it's [TS]

  between three and five times faster then [TS]

  its four-day predecessors but here's the [TS]

  amazing thing it's more economical it is [TS]

  a great value the original forbade Robo [TS]

  cost 499 the new third-generation drobo [TS]

  starts at 349 lot of people told Robo we [TS]

  love the idea of the drobo 5d i have a [TS]

  drobo 5d here in my house and i'm using [TS]

  it and it's great but what people said [TS]

  was we don't need that massive [TS]

  performance and the price is way too [TS]

  high so this is a much more economical [TS]

  third-generation drobo at 349 and I told [TS]

  you about a lot of the other things it [TS]

  has including the data protection it's [TS]

  optimized for Time Machine have a hard [TS]

  drive crashes you don't lose data [TS]

  because it's on other drives too because [TS]

  drobo is smart it's not a dumb hard [TS]

  drive [TS]

  it's a smart storage system with a whole [TS]

  bunch of drives providing the storage [TS]

  and there's a great deal for [TS]

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  of data you want to store and you get [TS]

  frustrated by hooking up a whole bunch [TS]

  of separate standalone hard drives in a [TS]

  chain to your computer and I've been [TS]

  there until I got my drobo and now I'm [TS]

  much happier not having it there so if [TS]

  you are thinking about if you need [TS]

  storage for your computer and you want [TS]

  it all in one place and you wanted to be [TS]

  safe [TS]

  so the different drive crashes you'll be [TS]

  okay drobo is the answer [TS]

  check them out thank you so much to [TS]

  drove for sponsoring the incomparable [TS]

  use code smell at drobo [TS]

  I have to say Drax was the big surprise [TS]

  for me that about how much I loved [TS]

  tracks because it is dave batista he's a [TS]

  wrestler he's big and bulky and looks [TS]

  like a wrestler and you get the sense [TS]

  the Drax is just a big wrestler he's a [TS]

  big tough guy but to have him take [TS]

  everything literally is such a great [TS]

  comedy moment and is in it and it sounds [TS]

  like put it that way it sounds like it [TS]

  could be sloppy but it's not like the [TS]

  way it's played it is that for me that [TS]

  was where my wife and I were laughing [TS]

  the most in the entire movie is when we [TS]

  finally realized the tracks takes [TS]

  everything literally and it's like had I [TS]

  never call me for saurus again right and [TS]

  i think would go over my head [TS]

  my reflexes are too fast i wouldn't [TS]

  change anything it's so it's so great [TS]

  and and again if the movie was taking [TS]

  until itself too seriously you you [TS]

  wouldn't do that [TS]

  yeah and I like that dress is always [TS]

  shirtless even at the end when they've [TS]

  gotten their medals or whatever on Nova [TS]

  Gomorrah has put on a reasonably body [TS]

  covering outfit and she's standing right [TS]

  next to Drax whose shirtless as always [TS]

  well there's that really nice moment [TS]

  when they're gearing up to two cherry [TS]

  bomb and they're all putting on their [TS]

  Ravager armor clothing and tracks you [TS]

  know start by putting on the pants and [TS]

  takes a look at the jacket and then [TS]

  throws the jacket away [TS]

  yeah like nope this is how I am he's [TS]

  just never cold he's like great circle [TS]

  and said to even in the darkness of [TS]

  space that is Fascisti his tattoos or [TS]

  his fashion he needs to show you why [TS]

  would you cover those tattoos up the [TS]

  full upper body tattoos the five hours [TS]

  of makeup tattoos I don't even know that [TS]

  I call them tattoos they're like [TS]

  embossing [TS]

  well together like scarred right yeah [TS]

  yeah he's yeah the composition of this [TS]

  group again could have gone wildly wrong [TS]

  it shouldn't have worked for when for a [TS]

  million reasons that shouldn't have [TS]

  worked [TS]

  yeah I mean especially because on paper [TS]

  some of them are so similar right and it [TS]

  could be that we just have like three [TS]

  basically homicidal maniacs and then [TS]

  group who doesn't [TS]

  you know you could get to express [TS]

  himself in any way but they all get to [TS]

  become interesting right yeah there's no [TS]

  18 dynamic multiples of these guys are [TS]

  the muscle [TS]

  yes yeah yeah we have a lot of muscle on [TS]

  this team [TS]

  well they're on and not one of cradles [TS]

  know that you know even even rock and [TS]

  the little guy has you know has a gun [TS]

  the size of him whenever he needs it [TS]

  right listen can we talk about how [TS]

  beautiful that gun is just every every I [TS]

  saw this so I've seen this movie a [TS]

  couple times and twice and 3d and normal [TS]

  and post converted 3d you but just even [TS]

  seeing it in 2d the way that the rack [TS]

  focus goes on that gun when it's like [TS]

  level-1 level-2 level-3 oh yeah it's [TS]

  it's just such a gleeful happy I reminds [TS]

  me of being a kid and like playing with [TS]

  nerf guns kind of gleeful nuh swear it's [TS]

  like oh gee you think that you know what [TS]

  this is but no no there's more fun [TS]

  coming was like when i first read about [TS]

  it whenever guess when they first [TS]

  announced it i didn't really know much [TS]

  about the Guardians because i have not [TS]

  been a big Marvel Universe guy and he [TS]

  didn't even big Marvel Universe people [TS]

  don't know anything about winery well [TS]

  yes they're super instant and not big [TS]

  bumper right here yeah right so you know [TS]

  I read about it and went ok that's going [TS]

  to be the one that they finally snap [TS]

  thats that's it can't be good because [TS]

  that's nuts that's insane [TS]

  and then I saw the first trailer and [TS]

  it's I can't remember the last time I [TS]

  saw a trailer where I immediately wanted [TS]

  the rest of the movie right that second [TS]

  and from that point on you know my only [TS]

  my only disappointment in the movie was [TS]

  after after singing in the trailer i was [TS]

  waiting for spirit in the sky [TS]

  oh yeah we've been beautiful [TS]

  deleted scenes man i hope i do [TS]

  cannot connect kimura I mean one of the [TS]

  challenges in the comics Kimura is [TS]

  actually a really great character [TS]

  because she's sort of like this [TS]

  super-awesome but also kind of evil [TS]

  character who sort of comes around [TS]

  eventually [TS]

  and I feel like one of the problems with [TS]

  her character here is that she has to [TS]

  come around really fast land before the [TS]

  movies before the movie started [TS]

  essentially on screen right there with [TS]

  ya [TS]

  turns out that were set up that she's on [TS]

  on the side of the bad guys on the on [TS]

  the side of Ronan and Thanos and then [TS]

  sushi sort of says no no I'm actually [TS]

  opposed to them and actually says it's [TS]

  too yeah it's too bad because um I think [TS]

  what makes my character really [TS]

  interesting is that they set her up in [TS]

  the comics at least to me and violation [TS]

  comics they set her up as this [TS]

  incredibly frightening character who is [TS]

  going to destroy you and then she [TS]

  basically comes around kind of gradually [TS]

  and you realize oh wait she's on our [TS]

  side now wow this is really great and [TS]

  the shorthand movie it's kind of too bad [TS]

  because she doesn't have much of an arc [TS]

  she sort of like presented with karen [TS]

  gillan as nebula as the green and the [TS]

  green one the blue one yeah and then I'm [TS]

  SS and one of them turns out to not be [TS]

  bad i guess maybe that's that's kind of [TS]

  my one big quibble with the movie and [TS]

  you know I I liked it a lot i think it [TS]

  was it's a lot of fun but the the kind [TS]

  of its like it almost need to come [TS]

  packaged with like a ridiculous org [TS]

  chart of like the evil organization [TS]

  really it's like there's a nose and he's [TS]

  not your daughters they're not actually [TS]

  his daughter so like he's adopted [TS]

  daughters and they don't like each other [TS]

  and they're working for some other guy [TS]

  wrote it will turn on Thanos and maybe [TS]

  they'll turn on each other but it's not [TS]

  really clear what their motives are and [TS]

  you can run it also has a guy below him [TS]

  who get a couple lines of dialogue so [TS]

  like you're gonna get to see a lot of [TS]

  different levels of our evil [TS]

  organizations yondu and he's with the [TS]

  reasons the Ravagers and the Ravagers [TS]

  have their own or bad but really just [TS]

  space literally no way but my heart is [TS]

  cool then there's yes of the cooler line [TS]

  in the heart of Guardian galaxy [TS]

  something that like their spaceship is [TS]

  more like a space pickup truck and not [TS]

  like a spring evil blacks [TS]

  you don't worry about them a twisting [TS]

  lego brick the ship was like a booze [TS]

  sound we at no point can you spend a lot [TS]

  of time thinking about the movie because [TS]

  then you start saying things like I've [TS]

  had a Walkman and I've listened to a [TS]

  cassette tape for six months of the time [TS]

  yeah that's not gonna work you don't eat [TS]

  the tape [TS]

  what happened to the double-a batteries [TS]

  i assume and this is one of the things [TS]

  that was a TV show you would see I [TS]

  assume that over the years Peter quill [TS]

  had gotten like a space battery 22 to [TS]

  keep it charged also they don't explain [TS]

  like he you don't see this time not with [TS]

  I'm not worried he's got wherein he's [TS]

  got also got the dashboard cassettes [TS]

  yeah that says I'm not worried he's [TS]

  gonna walk me on an infinity so i think [TS]

  its pace it's really important to him [TS]

  it's he's taken care of I think they've [TS]

  got him yeah he's got he's got like [TS]

  these space tape conditioner that has [TS]

  worked it's not really something that [TS]

  you that you need to question is [TS]

  probably not even set ups he's really [TS]

  coated those two a little little passion [TS]

  is just inside that to inside the like [TS]

  plastic he like guardians of the galaxy [TS]

  universe [TS]

  I feel like it read kanji this now I i [TS]

  am happy to say this is headland we're [TS]

  good i'm happy to say that my kids did [TS]

  not do this but I heard several people [TS]

  in the theater when the when the tape is [TS]

  there just go in the Walkman what is [TS]

  that room yeah and that's what's playing [TS]

  music where's mine are like a Walkman [TS]

  yeah well we're going to that you're [TS]

  gonna skip past that because you're [TS]

  raising them Amish I think we're but [TS]

  we're looping around where people have [TS]

  you know they have their phone cases [TS]

  that look like a Walkman so we're okay [TS]

  yeah well by those and put them on the [TS]

  phone and then they'll sort of know what [TS]

  it is what I like about Gomorrah is that [TS]

  she doesn't she doesn't have Trinity [TS]

  syndrome and she doesn't really have a [TS]

  girlfriend syndrome she actually is a [TS]

  badass like Drax's I what I don't like [TS]

  about her is the tracks has the sketch [TS]

  of his past which is that his family got [TS]

  killed and he's mad and Gomorrah has got [TS]

  this [TS]

  she's you know she's got a flowchart [TS]

  she's got a weird background and she [TS]

  comes around immediately or was already [TS]

  around but we didn't know it and it's [TS]

  just that one that one bug me because I [TS]

  felt like that character probably could [TS]

  have been handled better and i think [TS]

  that was probably just a matter of space [TS]

  but yeah but she felt like shorthand [TS]

  yeah it's a matter of space and also a [TS]

  matter of dialogue I mean you look at [TS]

  the various characters and they all [TS]

  almost all of them get to have a sides [TS]

  with each other you know you have that [TS]

  lovely scene mid movie with that's just [TS]

  tracks and Groot and Rocket everybody's [TS]

  got dead people [TS]

  I'm Gomorrah every scene she has [TS]

  including her one one or two asides with [TS]

  quill are almost all very exposition [TS]

  heavy [TS]

  yeah it's almost all so what happened to [TS]

  you and not whereas all of the other [TS]

  interchanges that happen with the other [TS]

  like two in three groups are are more of [TS]

  a back-and-forth pattern and I mean it's [TS]

  it's hard in some way because quills [TS]

  quills brand of humor is largely [TS]

  physical comedy / accidental pop culture [TS]

  references i want to talk about that a [TS]

  little bit but um and then Gorman [TS]

  Gomorrah is just not really she's not a [TS]

  funny person or just like sheets there's [TS]

  there's some humor to her character but [TS]

  by and large like she grew up and really [TS]

  terrifying situations so you don't like [TS]

  you don't really I i think that it might [TS]

  have just been a loss of how to how to [TS]

  have that conversation that's where as [TS]

  you know all the other conversations we [TS]

  can we can put in like injection little [TS]

  doses of humor and with that with quill [TS]

  and Gomorrah interactions it's either [TS]

  dead serious or well we have a little [TS]

  bit of romantic tension and maybe we can [TS]

  play with that but then otherwise it's [TS]

  all it's all expository which which is a [TS]

  challenge it's kind of said I feel like [TS]

  they handled like rockets to hug their [TS]

  thinking more in terms of like he's a [TS]

  little bit like about his kind of like [TS]

  sadness that he is the only one of his [TS]

  kind like you know it's just kind of him [TS]

  against the universe and that back kind [TS]

  of works out better than her dialogue [TS]

  unfortunately I think it is really just [TS]

  the dialogue it's not the actress or [TS]

  anything no I think zoe saldana is [TS]

  excellent and you do that actually the [TS]

  thing the thing i wanted to commend her [TS]

  on is that later in the movie you get [TS]

  she she uses this you know otherwise [TS]

  kind of stale dialogue and really puts [TS]

  in some [TS]

  she she's presented at the beginning of [TS]

  the movie like this steel face character [TS]

  right she is a badass she is an assassin [TS]

  have I ever failed and mid movie you [TS]

  start to hear these sort of not-quite [TS]

  Quivers in her voice but the when she's [TS]

  talking about something that really [TS]

  matters to her everything kind of starts [TS]

  to break down and the the one that comes [TS]

  to me is when they're in the Ravager [TS]

  ship about mid movie when she's like [TS]

  quill is up against the wall with the [TS]

  with an arrow at his throat and she's [TS]

  trying to be like you've got on like [TS]

  we've got to do something they're going [TS]

  to hurt people and she puts all of her [TS]

  emotions into it and for Gomorrah that's [TS]

  maybe not a lot of emotion but it's it's [TS]

  just enough that you start to get the [TS]

  the sense that this is really important [TS]

  to her and in a way to something else [TS]

  isn't I just wish you had an arc [TS]

  emotionally instead of her being always [TS]

  on the side of good because I felt like [TS]

  I mean I get why they get what they did [TS]

  it which is they wanted a strong woman [TS]

  in the cast and more as a great [TS]

  character but they didn't she didn't [TS]

  have a journey there and you know sort [TS]

  of in in some ways Karen Gillan's [TS]

  character and so is held on his [TS]

  character are the same character and one [TS]

  of them just chose side a and the other [TS]

  chose side be my little blue mini y-yeah [TS]

  yeah well you could you could have shown [TS]

  her being strong and evil but growing [TS]

  stronger by turning good and you know [TS]

  fighting off nebula or even a moment [TS]

  very early where she's like oh this is [TS]

  really terrible i was already having my [TS]

  doubts but this is bad but I felt like [TS]

  she might like it's too late it's too [TS]

  bad it's a fun character and she's a [TS]

  strong strong personality and so we sell [TS]

  down Donna has now been like a billion [TS]

  different syfy French but yeah get into [TS]

  Star Wars gets into Star Wars she has [TS]

  the full to be ready dad are worse she [TS]

  knows a guy [TS]

  yeah i was reading about how she's got [TS]

  some problems because she has to be in [TS]

  Gary's the galaxy to an avatar 2 and 3 [TS]

  and she's pregnant [TS]

  Wow boy now for avatar i don't think [TS]

  that matters that much she's a motion [TS]

  capture all the way right but the [TS]

  Guardians yeah yeah I don't know I we [TS]

  have more of about the characters before [TS]

  you move on to other things we have more [TS]

  about you want to single up [TS]

  about I feel like we've been talking [TS]

  about these characters I i want to [TS]

  praise Groot again because i feel like i [TS]

  am Groot is gonna be set on school [TS]

  playgrounds all this fall and I I what a [TS]

  great what a great choice to bring that [TS]

  character in and what a great [TS]

  realization he he looks great he is a [TS]

  tree who move this and is way better [TS]

  than Treebeard sorry Lord of the Rings [TS]

  way better than three beard turns out if [TS]

  you don't let them talk and monologue [TS]

  haha so many so adorable and only says I [TS]

  am Groot and the thing that I I knew [TS]

  going in he was only gonna say I'm group [TS]

  thing that I didn't realize is that he [TS]

  was gonna have a conversation with [TS]

  rocket for rocket knew exactly what he [TS]

  meant [TS]

  even though all he said was I am group [TS]

  that blew me away that was such a great [TS]

  scene they are ungrateful right yes okay [TS]

  i will have a dream twelve percent [TS]

  better than eleven percent between [TS]

  Treebeard and group i have groudon my [TS]

  desk right now [TS]

  yeah as you I beard and eventually even [TS]

  between-group sorry between groups and [TS]

  rocket i have it on my desk where like I [TS]

  really like rocket as a character and I [TS]

  he's definitely one of my favorites in [TS]

  the film but as for the thing that you [TS]

  know you kind of want to take home and [TS]

  like smile at the light crude yeah I [TS]

  mean well groupies kind of pure the way [TS]

  the other characters are not right and [TS]

  when he is the other guys are all are [TS]

  all misfits and and you know should be [TS]

  in jail and it's kinda like it's just [TS]

  there because he happened to be standing [TS]

  next to a rocket hold my bag claim right [TS]

  i mean like who doesn't misfit and that [TS]

  he doesn't fit in with these other [TS]

  people but not because of anything [TS]

  inherent to him its yeah he's not he's [TS]

  not a bad guy he's not a bounty hunter [TS]

  he just hangs out with a bounty hunter [TS]

  right you know and yeah I've actually [TS]

  got rocket on my desk that's because I [TS]

  opened a random heroclix from know that [TS]

  is your time don't see Riley only does [TS]

  so so rocket I wanted to do something i [TS]

  wanted to mention my rocket that I think [TS]

  is really clever and it's a smart thing [TS]

  to do in this movie is that the to the [TS]

  types you know you can hero types and [TS]

  you get you get you get a supporting [TS]

  character types and rocket is we could [TS]

  actually go back to the a team you know [TS]

  rocket is is kind of like the muscle he [TS]

  or he could be faced man only because [TS]

  when Bradley Cooper right but he's also [TS]

  the brain with this [TS]

  that's the trail is that is that by [TS]

  making Peter quill a goof [TS]

  by making Chris Pratt be like he's smart [TS]

  but he's not that smart he's he's [TS]

  survived but he was in the operational [TS]

  speak yeah yeah it doesn't really have [TS]

  it together and he doesn't have a plan [TS]

  and Bobby's a pretty face but putting [TS]

  that in rocket and saying in that [TS]

  wonderful breakout seen you know i [TS]

  gotta-i i'm working on and he totally [TS]

  has this amazing plan sketched out i [TS]

  love that because that takes that takes [TS]

  first optics Peter quill into being more [TS]

  interesting in that he's got that more [TS]

  he's gonna be like all right well I'm [TS]

  gonna go get that guy's leg and it'll [TS]

  all work out and then any it makes [TS]

  rocket nuanced because rocket is then [TS]

  not just the itchy trigger finger [TS]

  mercenary guy because he's got there's a [TS]

  reason he's a space grifter and bounty [TS]

  hunter [TS]

  it's because he's really smart and get [TS]

  underestimated and he has an itchy [TS]

  trigger finger and so yes so we can get [TS]

  modulated by the other people but he's [TS]

  he's still the smart one and that that [TS]

  that means he's not the usual type and i [TS]

  love that I love that he's not somebody [TS]

  I've seen a million times before [TS]

  well something I liked in that scene was [TS]

  even though the leg is just for comedy [TS]

  they took a actual character moment that [TS]

  we see that Peter quill gets the leg [TS]

  through negotiation and not just [TS]

  attacking the guy right now they're [TS]

  really nice and while crazy things are [TS]

  exploding he's having a conversation [TS]

  come on man get the leg [TS]

  I got some stuff here will try to do [TS]

  some credits [TS]

  it's just it's it's a nice its subtle [TS]

  building out of quill and and the fact [TS]

  that rocket does have these these [TS]

  tendencies [TS]

  despite the fact that he's you know he's [TS]

  very smart as an itchy trigger finger [TS]

  but also has a you know a very wry sense [TS]

  of humor and the fact that it gets [TS]

  carried up again and we're gonna need [TS]

  that guy's I it's important to me [TS]

  yeah alright night is basically sold on [TS]

  this movie from the trailer is like ya [TS]

  reckon with a machine gun also that I [TS]

  mean yeah but like and and rocket is so [TS]

  much more than that I think he's [TS]

  actually even perhaps even more than he [TS]

  is in the comics which which I went back [TS]

  and read well I don't know he's really [TS]

  great [TS]

  she's very nuanced time to take a short [TS]

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  on the subject of I am Groot i just want [TS]

  to mention this because i actually did [TS]

  the research group start off talking [TS]

  like a while like a lordly tree monster [TS]

  when he first year at 1960 and even in [TS]

  an isolation conquest [TS]

  he's talking normally there's an [TS]

  annihilation conquest star-lord [TS]

  miniseries that kind of brings him back [TS]

  he talks normally through all of that [TS]

  then the miniseries annihilation [TS]

  conquest I'm fascinated by this he only [TS]

  says I am Groot in issue 3-4 he talks [TS]

  normally again man different umpires [TS]

  he's back to saying only I am Groot my [TS]

  red one comic where he kind of he talks [TS]

  like in caveman speak and I was like I [TS]

  don't understand and know your God [TS]

  because i was sold a bill of goods [TS]

  obviously in the the screenwriter saw [TS]

  episode 3 & 5 & 5 oh that's really good [TS]

  we could use that the guy who always I [TS]

  am Groot they decided during that [TS]

  miniseries I guess didn't tell the [TS]

  person who was writing issue for ya [TS]

  it wasn't like 2008 and ever since then [TS]

  he's only said I am Groot [TS]

  welcome to the consistency of marvel [TS]

  comics and then see ya [TS]

  Oh Marvel I wanted to I wanted to toss [TS]

  out [TS]

  um I about the Nova perk or just because [TS]

  i wanted to i want to mention that I [TS]

  thought the ships were kinda neat and [TS]

  the fact that they can make like a [TS]

  little fully and web Kelly when yeah [TS]

  that's all thank you i said it was [TS]

  pretty neat me because in the in the [TS]

  comics the Nova Corps are superheroes [TS]

  basically and so they made them instead [TS]

  they made them fighter pilots which i [TS]

  think is good and if they ever wanted to [TS]

  do a nova movie eventually they could [TS]

  say well now that those guys died we [TS]

  made the superheroes instead but and [TS]

  then john c reilly is fun and peter [TS]

  serafinowicz who I if you watch UK TV or [TS]

  listen to our UK TV episode [TS]

  look around you is fantastic but he was [TS]

  also avoid he was the voice of darth [TS]

  maul not the body just the voice he's [TS]

  great he's perfectly cast because [TS]

  there's a moment where he has to speak [TS]

  over the radio to Peter Quillin you have [TS]

  to know exactly who that is [TS]

  and luckily even if you don't know Peter [TS]

  Sarafina which your recognizes will know [TS]

  the boy has a very distinctive are you [TS]

  looking forward to those Andorian police [TS]

  procedural where it's him happily [TS]

  solving like muggings every week [TS]

  ok i would make it happen his brother [TS]

  and our long in the past [TS]

  when they were there were cookies they [TS]

  were just at the end it's a prequel yeah [TS]

  yeah and Johnson so Peter Serafinowicz [TS]

  and john c reilly and and Marvel trivia [TS]

  nerd guy you know how in Greenland in [TS]

  green lantern was a Green Lantern [TS]

  crashes on earth and he gives his powers [TS]

  to a human because he's dying totally [TS]

  different subject in the anova number [TS]

  one Novak or guy comes to earth and dies [TS]

  and gives his powers to somebody's [TS]

  totally different totally different but [TS]

  anyway that character is john c reilly [TS]

  is character the guy who bestows the [TS]

  Nova powers on Richard rider in nova is [TS]

  Roman day so they they are recycling is [TS]

  like totally random Marvel Comics things [TS]

  which I really liked but I thought that [TS]

  was I thought that was fun and I thought [TS]

  them in the police lineup was really [TS]

  great i do have a tone question here [TS]

  which is this is a Marvel movie where we [TS]

  get a lot of like shits but they say a [TS]

  holes and that was yeah who is it is [TS]

  cool to say a whole now instead of [TS]

  asshole over that serafinowicz realizing [TS]

  that's funnier [TS]

  I don't I just think it's weird funny I [TS]

  was like a while they can't say bad [TS]

  words and then there's then there are [TS]

  multiple shifts in this movie wasn't [TS]

  over cork it's where they're coming but [TS]

  I think they used up their pg-13 on the [TS]

  shits [TS]

  yeah I met on the shits and I think it [TS]

  sprinkle and it's yeah I don't read a [TS]

  rabbit's áááhole yeah i mean they're [TS]

  definitely there definitely is specific [TS]

  tonal speech for all of the Nova Corps [TS]

  the they are the uptight and you have [TS]

  again they have they're using that [TS]

  Angela close to they are the super we [TS]

  are way too perfect and we're not on the [TS]

  side of the perfect sci-fi society right [TS]

  where we're we're not there boring we [TS]

  want to have fun with the guardians of [TS]

  the galaxy which i think is really [TS]

  effective and they do throw in the word [TS]

  dast which is the all-purpose Marvel [TS]

  cosmic space they a swear word because [TS]

  you need one if your site is your [TS]

  frakkin yeah it's here you know [TS]

  yeah it's your filter powering its a [TS]

  filter carve its rashad spot uh the best [TS]

  but I'm not [TS]

  I was a little love that was a Robin [TS]

  Williams tribute they're a bit [TS]

  benicio del toro makes a select a brief [TS]

  visit is the collector who I remember [TS]

  from contest of Champions which was in [TS]

  many ways the original comic book [TS]

  miniseries where they got all the heroes [TS]

  together and he's in a very weird scene [TS]

  which sort of says to me this is going [TS]

  to be connected to other movies in the [TS]

  future kind of thing more than anything [TS]

  else [TS]

  there's a cot picture of the Cosmic Cube [TS]

  from the Avengers in that in that scene [TS]

  and then he's in the end credits scene [TS]

  with Howard the Duck I kind of thought [TS]

  we were going to see more of the [TS]

  collector in this movie I think I think [TS]

  there's something rather movies all [TS]

  right because there may be there may be [TS]

  only so much you can do with the [TS]

  collector right and because it's he [TS]

  doesn't go places he has agents that you [TS]

  know do stuff for him and then you have [TS]

  to come to his hideout which is a little [TS]

  blown up right now so uh huh [TS]

  check in with me later when every model [TS]

  you get that kind of feeling of course [TS]

  from the from the end credits sequence [TS]

  in the the last or movie that he's [TS]

  collecting what we now know are infinity [TS]

  stone [TS]

  yes right mom and while that may tie [TS]

  into of adventure story i think it's [TS]

  interesting the react when faced its [TS]

  phase 3 because of the robot 4tube but [TS]

  I'm it may not just be you know Santos [TS]

  wants the gauntlet but there may be I [TS]

  feel like we will see more of him [TS]

  probably not more empowered the duck [TS]

  hopeful probably not although that's a [TS]

  funny that's a funny little reference [TS]

  and their stano's who is actually josh [TS]

  brolin who is going to be in other [TS]

  Marvel movies and assigned a signed [TS]

  contract and whether it's if he appears [TS]

  again in Avengers 2 or whether he's only [TS]

  saved for Avengers 3 or Thor 3 or [TS]

  something like that certainly guardians [TS]

  to certainly is to write and then that's [TS]

  a nose and I thought that was really [TS]

  interesting i'm jim Starlin who created [TS]

  a lot of these cosmic characters created [TS]

  a nose and he created I think credit [TS]

  star-lord and you know that's a really [TS]

  interesting character because he is like [TS]

  a super the whole idea of those cosmic [TS]

  villains it's like it's like dark side [TS]

  on on DC it's like they're so power [TS]

  you've only met the villains were bad on [TS]

  with now there are these villains who [TS]

  are so powerful they can destroy [TS]

  everything in the universe and fantasies [TS]

  like that right and so yeah he's in one [TS]

  scene and and you he's the crossover [TS]

  with the Avengers because he's in the [TS]

  post credits sequence for the Avengers [TS]

  he's kinda like the guy who made the [TS]

  deal to send the army to Loki to attack [TS]

  New York and the Avengers and I thought [TS]

  that was a perfectly flying little scene [TS]

  with him [TS]

  I'm i don't know but it's just it's all [TS]

  world-building it's not it doesn't [TS]

  really have it and it's part of that and [TS]

  confusing exposition part of them it's a [TS]

  homework scene right is this is so we [TS]

  can do other something I thought it was [TS]

  kinda silly and a little you know it's [TS]

  you know popped in there without and and [TS]

  I didn't even really like the imagery of [TS]

  that scene and i like so much of the [TS]

  image of the other stuff i was just like [TS]

  you have to come meet with me on my [TS]

  league on my ass parade always fighting [TS]

  every route even though clearly we have [TS]

  a great Skype connection that's gonna [TS]

  work in other ya know this is my [TS]

  floating rock that you saw the Avengers [TS]

  remember and her this rock sweet take [TS]

  some of the power away but you're doing [TS]

  this is still a movie you wouldn't do it [TS]

  right you just wouldn't do it sit [TS]

  eugenic road [TS]

  Ronan the big bad and you wouldn't worry [TS]

  about it but they gotta set up other [TS]

  stories and so you caught this movie was [TS]

  just a little but it was hard because [TS]

  they also kind of sacrifice like I mean [TS]

  we have not talked about wrote in that [TS]

  much so far because I think he he kind [TS]

  of laughed a lot why [TS]

  yeah I mean it's like we you know all we [TS]

  know is he's angry like that it's his [TS]

  backstory right yeah like he's angry and [TS]

  that's bad now you take your issues but [TS]

  anger issues about everything I guess I [TS]

  mostly like he's treaty [TS]

  yeah peacetreaty he's angry about it I [TS]

  almost wish they had like cut out the [TS]

  shadows part and giving us a little bit [TS]

  more to work with in terms of like who [TS]

  is run in why does he have this stuff [TS]

  you know what oh yeah Tony you know I [TS]

  think that is the number one problem [TS]

  with this movie is that Ronan develop a [TS]

  little italy pace he's an interesting [TS]

  actor and this is Ronan is a a a blank [TS]

  he is not interesting in anyway he's you [TS]

  know you know do we can debate whether [TS]

  he is more or less interesting than Eric [TS]

  Bana and star trek but it's one of those [TS]

  characters where he's a big bad and he [TS]

  supposed to be scary and [TS]

  he's nobody and it's really a shame when [TS]

  you have all of these other powerful [TS]

  personalities and Michael Rooker from [TS]

  the walking dead is you as yondu is [TS]

  interesting and john mahama sue is an [TS]

  interesting [TS]

  yondu kind of gets a better seen to show [TS]

  how a better badass vs raw my god kill [TS]

  like 20 guys with my arrow I control by [TS]

  whistling that's really cool i haven't [TS]

  seen a movie with the arrow controlled [TS]

  by whistling yeah maybe never know where [TS]

  is Ronan gets like I'm gonna walk into a [TS]

  room and people are gonna put black [TS]

  cloaks on me and that's how you know i'm [TS]

  bad throw dust on my torso [TS]

  yeah i'm i'm going to monologue that's a [TS]

  great point or so does is a sign of a [TS]

  villain [TS]

  no you're right red that's your so dust [TS]

  is a big deal just nobody [TS]

  yeah yeah going back to the star wars [TS]

  comparisons for a second I feel like [TS]

  they're like oh well we've got that we [TS]

  can get the darth vader character and [TS]

  the Empire and the Emperor character and [TS]

  you know Darth Vader has that scene [TS]

  where like the helmet comes on so maybe [TS]

  that's what we're gonna do is we're [TS]

  gonna build up this character is big and [TS]

  scary and and assuming but we never you [TS]

  know we don't get the force choking seen [TS]

  never have yes i do we get him we get [TS]

  the oh I'm gonna hit somebody with my [TS]

  big giant hammer who's already in [TS]

  changed which is its I understand the [TS]

  comparison and where they're going with [TS]

  it but it just doesn't it doesn't quite [TS]

  work and eat and he doesn't the the part [TS]

  where Ronan starts to be a little bit [TS]

  interesting is his reaction to Peter [TS]

  quill doing a dance off doesn't yeah so [TS]

  don't get some last-minute yeah it's [TS]

  also it's hard because none of the [TS]

  guardians are really taking that [TS]

  seriously either right i mean obviously [TS]

  Peter takes nothing seriously but you [TS]

  know tracks thinks that he can take them [TS]

  on one-on-one so it's like definitely no [TS]

  one really thinks he's all that scary [TS]

  right you know i gotta be allies that [TS]

  beyond the temp workers do right [TS]

  you know the big difference between read [TS]

  something so they're really struck me [TS]

  the big difference between this movie [TS]

  and star wars is that I in star wars [TS]

  darth vader is one of the main [TS]

  instruments of this giant impressive [TS]

  vampire and so when we see him he is [TS]

  he's not just a scary guy but he is [TS]

  commanding a whole bunch of people who [TS]

  are doing terrible things at no [TS]

  Universal guardians of the galaxy the [TS]

  Empire such as it is is zan dar and the [TS]

  Nova's and everything else is chaos [TS]

  so we've got bad guy org chart Tony [TS]

  right bad guy or chart [TS]

  well actually i'm showing on the screen [TS]

  by the way yes and yes it's good [TS]

  microsoft has a plug-in that lets you do [TS]

  that and then there's the good guy or [TS]

  charts order for the rogue or chart i [TS]

  suppose which is the guardians of the [TS]

  galaxy and you've got your your your [TS]

  Ravagers or chart with with michael [TS]

  rooker but it it's um it's all these [TS]

  different factions of rebel which [TS]

  actually is less complicated than some [TS]

  of the guardians of the galaxy comics [TS]

  where there is then a separate like [TS]

  scroll or Carol I'm sure has the Kree [TS]

  Empire all that money out my point is [TS]

  that Ronan then is not this enforcer [TS]

  from this giant star and part Emperor or [TS]

  Empire he is a bad dude who works for [TS]

  another bad dude who's fighting with all [TS]

  the other groups of bad dudes over stuff [TS]

  and that that's not Darth Vader he's not [TS]

  Darth Vader he's just some hired you [TS]

  know tough guy and as a result Ronan's [TS]

  kind of a blank I i totally think that [TS]

  this is an example where because they [TS]

  have to split the difference between [TS]

  running and Thanos that the movie is not [TS]

  as strong as it could be because the [TS]

  villain has to get weekend for [TS]

  continuity it's more like odd jobs [TS]

  throwing a tantrum while he's taking a [TS]

  break from Goldfinger you know if he's [TS]

  he's not that scene where own and throws [TS]

  that throws his hat and somebody's been [TS]

  weird because I mean Ronan doesn't get [TS]

  to do a lot because then Ronan has his [TS]

  own guys that he sends out and does [TS]

  stuff right immediately core office the [TS]

  first bad guy that we see right who's [TS]

  his top henchmen who's who's down on the [TS]

  planet trying to chase Peter quill and [TS]

  keep them from getting the Infinity [TS]

  stone and like you know he kind of gets [TS]

  almost a decent amount of screen time [TS]

  and interact with the the good guys [TS]

  way way before opponent for actually act [TS]

  like interacts with anybody except like [TS]

  via spooky skate connection so yeah he's [TS]

  he and management [TS]

  yeah that's yeah there's a one of us [TS]

  right based on your face [TS]

  middle management personnel management [TS]

  so much paperwork [TS]

  there is a wonderful post at the [TS]

  dissolved com [TS]

  that's called Marvel's big bad is [TS]

  becoming a problem and i'm not i won't [TS]

  even go into the whole thing i'll just [TS]

  say go read it because it's wonderful [TS]

  that talks about how basically after all [TS]

  these films so far and all these [TS]

  confrontations and everything they're [TS]

  building up what his nose done [TS]

  he's got the Avengers together and he's [TS]

  gotten the guardians of the galaxy yeah [TS]

  and all the Infinity stones and gone and [TS]

  stuff are safe so far and basically [TS]

  Marte the thesis of this is that a [TS]

  better comparison for Thanos than [TS]

  Emperor Palpatine is dr. Claude from [TS]

  inspector gadget is about as effective [TS]

  as dr. clay no no you don't understand [TS]

  he is he is making all this happen fano [TS]

  says Stanley well there ya so he is a [TS]

  bad guy [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah I mean it's I find a fan [TS]

  knows the character again deeply flawed [TS]

  and i think at a certain point they [TS]

  realize it like I think during [TS]

  production they kind of realized well [TS]

  it's going to be hard for anyone to take [TS]

  this this guy seriously because he is [TS]

  middle management and because he's a [TS]

  rodent groaning yeah groaning sorry not [TS]

  not not a knows he's middleman he's you [TS]

  know he's he's supposed to be the big [TS]

  bad but he's not the big bad and it's [TS]

  it's a compromised roll yeah so now they [TS]

  may I mean you have the Guardians not [TS]

  taking him so seriously and kind of [TS]

  rolling rolling their eyes with the [TS]

  exception of course Gomorrah who i guess [TS]

  probably knows a little bit more about [TS]

  what Roman actually has done beyond you [TS]

  know malady me into one person but there [TS]

  was a there was an interview that i read [TS]

  with james gunn after I saw the movie [TS]

  where he mentioned that originally his [TS]

  plan was to have to have a nose as the [TS]

  big bad and that midway through Marvel [TS]

  was kinda like yeah we're gonna take him [TS]

  and we need him for Avengers 3 yeah [TS]

  exactly exactly and so they're like oh [TS]

  crud [TS]

  yeah we rework this a little bit so i [TS]

  think the you know it was supposed to be [TS]

  a little bit dr. Clough [TS]

  scooby-doo ask when the Guardians the [TS]

  Guardians butting heads against the [TS]

  house and having the first big [TS]

  confrontation and instead you got to get [TS]

  this thing with Ronan which again I feel [TS]

  like because the Guardians don't take it [TS]

  so seriously when I went in and watched [TS]

  it the second time I didn't really take [TS]

  it all that seriously either and looking [TS]

  at him as though I'm a you know I feel [TS]

  so big and powerful because I've got a [TS]

  warship and I'm gonna do things and then [TS]

  you basically have that scene where [TS]

  Thanos kinda is just leaning back in his [TS]

  chair being like oh boy you silly person [TS]

  you know you you go fetch me my stone [TS]

  and have some fun nicer by the way you [TS]

  yeah mmm yeah it's real easy d it's got [TS]

  a little vibrator in the back for like [TS]

  but the lumbar support [TS]

  well I mean if you're sitting on an [TS]

  asteroid all day getting a little bit [TS]

  hurt [TS]

  yeah i don't know if i was on the [TS]

  airplane was because you can I want to [TS]

  talk really quickly about Peter quill [TS]

  because we talked a little bit of sweat [TS]

  the thing for me that really made him [TS]

  such an interesting character is [TS]

  actually the thing that normally really [TS]

  bugs me about movie's release lately [TS]

  which is the pop culture references on [TS]

  in terms of the fact that quill is [TS]

  painted and in such a wonderful way as a [TS]

  twelve-year-old with space toys as I [TS]

  like he's he's supposed to be the early [TS]

  thirties in this movie on and in some [TS]

  ways you can tell that yes he is [TS]

  competent he's a very good spaceship [TS]

  pilot and he knows how to get himself [TS]

  out of a jam but you've got the music [TS]

  which we've talked about to a certain [TS]

  extent on influencing his his abilities [TS]

  and his uh you know steadfast devotion [TS]

  to these things of his childhood because [TS]

  the only things he knows and the only [TS]

  things that tie him to earth so you've [TS]

  got these occasional weird pop culture [TS]

  references and you've got him talking to [TS]

  rocket ohakune you know you've got far [TS]

  Ranger Rick all of that fo and it's yeah [TS]

  it's it's pulled out so it's pulled out [TS]

  so intentionally on that it [TS]

  it works as a way to further define hit [TS]

  it works as a way to further define hit [TS]

  character rather than just we're going [TS]

  to say a pop culture reference and it's [TS]

  gonna be funny you just he's innocent [TS]

  you know he's in he's the ultimate kid [TS]

  and arrested development [TS]

  he's a kid who got to you got abducted [TS]

  and then now has eight his own spaceship [TS]

  and as you know some deep-seated [TS]

  deep-seated a belief in doing what's [TS]

  right when it really comes down to it [TS]

  but it is kind of a tool like a lovable [TS]

  tool but what a tool and well you know [TS]

  if you think about it [TS]

  three-fifths of them are no you know [TS]

  grown man child type unique will and [TS]

  group and racks and it's getting more [TS]

  and rocket who are presumably mature [TS]

  adults and maybe that's not the word but [TS]

  Jillian but I don't know but but but [TS]

  peter has never had to grow up right in [TS]

  fact I think that writer of the [TS]

  suggestion here is that because he's [TS]

  been with the Ravagers he is in this XP [TS]

  extended period of being like a teenager [TS]

  he's not a adult he's uh yeah this [TS]

  within the Lost Boys this definitely [TS]

  movie feels like this [TS]

  Peter quills story here is that he's [TS]

  finally got to grow up a little bit yeah [TS]

  i did like that he's not just saying pop [TS]

  culture references he's saying the [TS]

  appropriate pop culture references for [TS]

  this character right nothing after 1988 [TS]

  and nobody out of ya after I got out of [TS]

  the movie I was a little bothered by the [TS]

  fact that they were all accurate because [TS]

  i'm not sure how well I do at saying [TS]

  only things that happened to me up until [TS]

  I was 12 if I never had abducted by [TS]

  aliens right if that was your night Hank [TS]

  yeah you you would focus on it and to [TS]

  turn those over and over and over and [TS]

  over in your head but wouldn't it be [TS]

  more fun if he got one wrong maybe he's [TS]

  got his trapper keeper in his backpack [TS]

  with like he's like top 10 list yeah you [TS]

  know we we have seen over again we see [TS]

  the little cards that he has stuck [TS]

  around the spaceship and we see the [TS]

  trolls and yes good use electro ball [TS]

  yeah troll doll because I was like well [TS]

  alright I'm going to take another break [TS]

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  one thing I really liked about this [TS]

  movie is how colorful it is especially [TS]

  comparing it to DC's movies especially [TS]

  but yeah that's the seemed are going on [TS]

  a chromatic yeah sad be wound leak i [TS]

  really like the scene where quill and [TS]

  Gomorrah are out on that balcony outside [TS]

  the bar and the background is just this [TS]

  crazy swirling mass of color that looks [TS]

  like jim Starlin painted it [TS]

  oh yeah and that one scene it felt like [TS]

  Marvel space comics to me and also had [TS]

  more color than will be a whole Superman [TS]

  vs Batman the entirety of nowhere [TS]

  yeah that oh I so I want to go see it [TS]

  the movie again on on our local 80-foot [TS]

  I max screen specifically to see that [TS]

  scene again and i imagine that I [TS]

  probably want to go another time to the [TS]

  like it's like it's not necessarily that [TS]

  the movie is so amazingly over-the-top [TS]

  good that I'm like again again again [TS]

  oh it's it's pretty good but the the [TS]

  visuals are really they demand being [TS]

  seen on a big screen in a way that a lot [TS]

  of movies recently don't so much like [TS]

  okay you can see a lot of buildings [TS]

  blow-up that's fun but a if but being [TS]

  able to like yes the giant head of a [TS]

  dead Celestia and then we zoom in and [TS]

  it's this beautifully intricate mining [TS]

  colony with things flowing over and [TS]

  beautiful color theory and you've got [TS]

  managed a dream blasting in your ears [TS]

  it's just it's so note perfect [TS]

  yeah yeah i mean i want to see it again [TS]

  and again just because it's beautiful to [TS]

  look at [TS]

  I was saying about the landscapes it [TS]

  just it looks like all the great you [TS]

  know thirties and forties Golden Age of [TS]

  sci-fi pulp magazine covers it is a you [TS]

  know Chesley bone still paintings and [TS]

  the whole goal here is to have I mean [TS]

  this is about eight a fun movie in a [TS]

  space movie and Marvel a kind of feel [TS]

  like at times Marvel's plan with the [TS]

  houses money here they're like you know [TS]

  we have done so much that's been [TS]

  successful the weekend afford to take a [TS]

  chance on something and let's make it a [TS]

  sci-fi movie and let's make it fun and [TS]

  irreverent and make it look not like [TS]

  every other sci-fi movie and that you [TS]

  know you can get it does feel like a [TS]

  gamble [TS]

  I'm not necessarily a totally insane [TS]

  gamble but it does feel like they they [TS]

  had enough clout that they could they [TS]

  could do this and see how it went and [TS]

  and it has been wildly successful which [TS]

  is great to see ya [TS]

  and honestly whoever is cutting their [TS]

  trailers need to raise oh my god [TS]

  well the trailer is the trailer is [TS]

  better than the movie i actually think i [TS]

  like i like the movie and I love the [TS]

  trailer the trailer and although i will [TS]

  say this this is something that you know [TS]

  so many trailers give away all the [TS]

  anything that's funny they give away all [TS]

  the good jokes the trailers there are a [TS]

  lot of fantastic jokes in this movie [TS]

  that were never spoiled by the trailers [TS]

  and thank i gotta give them a raise for [TS]

  that too that they did they they kept [TS]

  their powder dry [TS]

  they only use some of the jokes they [TS]

  kept some of the jokes behind and he was [TS]

  almost nothing of rocket i know right [TS]

  and the use of hooked on a feeling the [TS]

  first trailer and spirit in the sky in [TS]

  the second trailer beautiful cutting of [TS]

  of visual you to audio and and there's [TS]

  almost none of those songs in the movie [TS]

  I mean hooked on a feeling is just in [TS]

  the background makes you wonder why [TS]

  hooked on a feeling [TS]

  a why that choice right and then when [TS]

  you see the movie and you see the tape [TS]

  like oh it actually yeah it actually is [TS]

  like a planting a seed for the for what [TS]

  the movie is going to have in it which [TS]

  we have instead of it being just a [TS]

  quirky mood music choice it's actually [TS]

  about the plot of the movie was very [TS]

  integral yeah when Great has been killed [TS]

  me [TS]

  and at the beginning of the movie when [TS]

  young peter is there and his mother is [TS]

  dying and and my twelve-year-old kind of [TS]

  these areas are you gonna cry no no I'm [TS]

  fine I'm fine and you know it's just [TS]

  it's really dusty in here it was getting [TS]

  a little dusty but you know I I held it [TS]

  together but at the end when when he [TS]

  finally opens up his his gift from his [TS]

  mother that he never hand up and I won't [TS]

  say what that is because spoiler or not [TS]

  that should be a good surprise [TS]

  I looked over and he's just kind of you [TS]

  know yeah like are you going to craigs [TS]

  yeah at the end of the day I think one [TS]

  of the things that i love about this [TS]

  movie and one of the reasons why I've [TS]

  gone to see it a couple times and and [TS]

  want to see it again is that it has [TS]

  heart and it has emotion in a wave that [TS]

  a lot of movies recently you know [TS]

  especially genre films i do not and I [TS]

  don't mean emotion Justin the you know [TS]

  it's dusty in here kind of emotion but [TS]

  it makes you laugh so hard it makes you [TS]

  hurt you know there are the moment the [TS]

  moment where group sacrifices himself [TS]

  it makes you it makes you hurt it really [TS]

  like you may not you may not be balling [TS]

  but you you feel something even that the [TS]

  climactic moment of the movie which [TS]

  should be so ridiculously can't be that [TS]

  you would laugh is actually moving and [TS]

  touching and then there's that one [TS]

  there's sort of a flash which again I [TS]

  won't spoil on as to how it had goes but [TS]

  during that climax where Peter quill is [TS]

  looking at somebody and then suddenly [TS]

  he's looking at somebody else and don't [TS]

  know that yes you are yes you it's me as [TS]

  hell but it works [TS]

  yeah they've earned it and it's to me [TS]

  the fact that this movie can pull that [TS]

  off despite its flaws despite its quirks [TS]

  means that it's a it's something that's [TS]

  going to stick with me and it's [TS]

  something that i wanted i want to see [TS]

  again and i want to quote and I want to [TS]

  you know put on my shelf out of the rest [TS]

  of you a sort of rate this calibrate [TS]

  this movie we all have spoken charitably [TS]

  of it but I'm kind of curious [TS]

  nowhere what do you know where does it [TS]

  where does it fall is it a you know [TS]

  really fantastic fun movie is it sort of [TS]

  in the middle i'm i'm curious about that [TS]

  David what do you think I you know it's [TS]

  one of those movies where I can see [TS]

  little problems with it that maybe I [TS]

  would tweak and especially hearing about [TS]

  how Marvel said no no we want fantasy [TS]

  you have to rework this and it's like [TS]

  well [TS]

  oh that explains a lot of the little [TS]

  issues ahead with it you know i think [TS]

  that the first half hour could be a [TS]

  little tighter i think it doesn't really [TS]

  take off until the prison break but from [TS]

  that point on it's just it hits the [TS]

  ground and keeps going except when you [TS]

  have to like see brown and talking but [TS]

  yeah that doesn't happen [TS]

  no it doesn't happen a lot especially [TS]

  out of the first 30 min and and it moves [TS]

  again it moves really quickly and so [TS]

  it's one of those movies that i just [TS]

  installed android so damn much [TS]

  I don't care about the problems that I [TS]

  never picked out with it [TS]

  thank you know I it's like the Harlan [TS]

  Ellison line from from his movie [TS]

  reviewing days [TS]

  it kept me wrapped and happy as a dance [TS]

  before my eyes and it did it's just you [TS]

  know and it's it's it's the thing you [TS]

  said and and Wren said it's it's just [TS]

  fun and so many movies have forgotten to [TS]

  be fun and especially comic book movies [TS]

  they've forgotten to be fun and they've [TS]

  forgotten that heroes can be heroes [TS]

  because they're just good people [TS]

  Superman is just good he's not [TS]

  conflicted shut up anyway [TS]

  ok I wasn't on that podcast oh don't [TS]

  thank goodness for that [TS]

  well that's okay we have been weeded to [TS]

  death anyway oh yeah you you get you [TS]

  gotta Tony what do you think about where [TS]

  this one fits i i'm i'm in agreement on [TS]

  i think this was really fun movie for me [TS]

  and there are things I quibble about and [TS]

  that I you know I can always kind of [TS]

  nitpick but i was i was really fun and I [TS]

  have pretty high expectations going into [TS]

  this I you know I enjoy all the kind of [TS]

  marvel cinematic movies of the last [TS]

  couple I think have enjoyed a lot but [TS]

  they have definitely been not as fun if [TS]

  you look at the like phase 2 right i [TS]

  mean 42 and Captain America to our i [TS]

  enjoyed those release other people and [TS]

  out of but they're not they're not [TS]

  really as fun as some of the earlier [TS]

  ironman steyr man 3 not as fun as [TS]

  earlier iron man so for me this was [TS]

  really fun I i would put this up there [TS]

  is you know I think this is probably the [TS]

  most fun movie I'd seen since the [TS]

  world's end you know one of the most fun [TS]

  super seen in a long long time but uh [TS]

  but it's also not super far back so yeah [TS]

  they're the things i can nitpick but [TS]

  there's there's a lot about this movie [TS]

  that's really good and it was really fun [TS]

  for me and I was i I waiting with high [TS]

  expectations and my expectations were [TS]

  surpassed nice Monty what it was your [TS]

  overall verdict [TS]

  well like everyone else I thought this [TS]

  movie was super super fun [TS]

  um it's not flawless i agree with some [TS]

  of the people on the internet who [TS]

  pointed out certain sexist elements of [TS]

  the movie like Drax is completely [TS]

  literal with everything except for that [TS]

  time because Gomorrah whore [TS]

  yeah yeah yeahs not grant yeah but I [TS]

  don't like the climactic bitch Tyrone in [TS]

  either quite frantic yeah but i enjoyed [TS]

  watching this movie so much that I view [TS]

  those as flaws in a really fun movie [TS]

  where it's my didn't enjoy the movie i [TS]

  might view them differently [TS]

  yeah well I mean as we said with [TS]

  everything in this is like goes back to [TS]

  winning and he was on talking about the [TS]

  Avengers just like look if the spell is [TS]

  broken or if it's never cast for you [TS]

  then it's just not gonna work and that [TS]

  happens with movies sometimes I'm with [TS]

  i'm with you guys I I think we're all on [TS]

  a but we didn't like to a loyalty test [TS]

  before we started this episode i'm with [TS]

  you i I'm like I think Rand is the most [TS]

  enthusiastic about it I i liked it i [TS]

  didn't love it but I liked it and I want [TS]

  to see it again because it was fun and [TS]

  because i feel like the more I watch it [TS]

  the more I'm going to appreciate a lot [TS]

  of the details that I i focused in on [TS]

  that I really love like fruit for [TS]

  example but a lot of it is really fun [TS]

  and I and if that goes a long way to me [TS]

  is it is seeing a movie i mean i i've [TS]

  said this before in this podcast like [TS]

  when my wife and I came out of serenity [TS]

  the the firefly follow-up movie we [TS]

  looked each other and were like that was [TS]

  just fun that we haven't come out of a [TS]

  sci-fi fantasy movie and just felt like [TS]

  exhilarated with how fun the ride was in [TS]

  a long time [TS]

  which isn't to say that there are other [TS]

  our amazing movies in the genre and that [TS]

  isn't great that sometimes John movies [TS]

  take themselves seriously and say [TS]

  serious things but there is something to [TS]

  be said for a movie that's fun and [TS]

  guardians of the galaxy is fun i don't [TS]

  think it was as good as Captain America [TS]

  to actually I like that movie better if [TS]

  I I all the way sources with Tony saying [TS]

  it was not that's not weird comparison [TS]

  as fun when yeah very different they're [TS]

  very Tories are you totally didn't I [TS]

  I've seen some people say oh Marvel this [TS]

  is the greatest thing at like yeah I [TS]

  actually I I wouldn't it's not the best [TS]

  movie I saw this summer it's not the [TS]

  best Marvel movie I saw this summer but [TS]

  it's fun in a way it is the most fun me [TS]

  is like Thor 2 is terrible but anyway [TS]

  that's another there are more fun movies [TS]

  I should be watching don't know but yeah [TS]

  I my money that where it's funny that [TS]

  we're all worried grab me that work [TS]

  bored fun but I'm right there with you [TS]

  it's like it buys off a lot of flaws [TS]

  because of the tone and the style and [TS]

  the joy in the telling and the fun of [TS]

  these characters and how they're a [TS]

  little bit different from the usual so i [TS]

  might I just liked that it was it was a [TS]

  movie that i took both of the boys to on [TS]

  opening night for the first show and [TS]

  they were both excited about it and we [TS]

  all watched it and we wanted to watch it [TS]

  immediately as soon as it was done and I [TS]

  don't think we've seen anything that's [TS]

  done that all that's something else I [TS]

  really appreciate about it now we no [TS]

  longer have midnight Thursday night [TS]

  showings we have seven pm-3 and showing [TS]

  so I can see the first showing yeah it's [TS]

  a bed [TS]

  yes much much more fishy old person's [TS]

  women yeah p.m. the thing actually that [TS]

  I wanted to to say before we can close [TS]

  it out is it actually serenity is a good [TS]

  a good comparison and and that's [TS]

  actually where i would rank where like I [TS]

  really enjoy this movie and it it's one [TS]

  of those things where it's like like [TS]

  serenity like The Rocketeer you know [TS]

  movies that mark I wouldn't necessarily [TS]

  put in my top five like desert island [TS]

  pics but movies that like I want to feel [TS]

  a certain way you know I want to not be [TS]

  depressed I want to have a good fun [TS]

  escape his time at the movies [TS]

  guardians is definitely on that list and [TS]

  probably very high up that list where [TS]

  it's like this this captures a certain [TS]

  a certain kind of fun a certain emotion [TS]

  that you want to pop in on like a rainy [TS]

  day and just be like oh you know what [TS]

  I'm gonna go visit my friends chris [TS]

  pratt & and so is saldana and and [TS]

  Bradley Cooper and watch them take over [TS]

  the you know the computer models of [TS]

  crude rocket yes it's fizzy yes can I [TS]

  recommend another james gunn movie [TS]

  people may not have heard of sure it's [TS]

  the specials from 2000 or 2000 2003 it's [TS]

  a about a group of misfits superheroes [TS]

  and it stars drop rob lowe and Thomas [TS]

  Haden Church and judy greer and pageant [TS]

  rooster he made it for a million dollars [TS]

  and it's super cheap and I think it's a [TS]

  lot of fun huh [TS]

  alright it's way more fun than the [TS]

  Super's ok the specials not the Super's [TS]

  not the ropers internationals got it all [TS]

  right well I think we've reached the end [TS]

  but this was fun to talk about a movie [TS]

  that we've seen recently instead of a [TS]

  movie from the distant past which is [TS]

  usually what we do on this podcast so [TS]

  and I'm glad I finally got to see it [TS]

  because i don't see that many movies in [TS]

  theaters these days and I got to see [TS]

  this one within a week of its release [TS]

  which is really exciting [TS]

  alright we've reached the end so I want [TS]

  to thank my guests as i always do monte [TS]

  Ashley thank you so much for being here [TS]

  thank you it's great having you here [TS]

  David lower thank you for being here [TS]

  your skype avatar is now you with Rocket [TS]

  Raccoon boy i'm i'm gonna need that [TS]

  guy's I before we go [TS]

  yeah that's right i'll get to the but I [TS]

  got to this leg what are you talking [TS]

  about that i need the leg and the eye as [TS]

  he secretly building a person it could [TS]

  be rocket and I wouldn't put a password [TS]

  or like an exoskeleton he can he can [TS]

  like whereas a disguise [TS]

  oh yeah that might be fun it's important [TS]

  yeah Tony Tony similar thank you so much [TS]

  for being here [TS]

  well presented a podcast is better than [TS]

  eleven percent of a podcast and [TS]

  guardians of the galaxy called well [TS]

  thank you for people because it's a [TS]

  plated serenity in your heart you see so [TS]

  it's [TS]

  very nice i appreciate it thank you for [TS]

  being there was a lot of fun I'm glad [TS]

  I'm glad we got to talk to talk about [TS]

  with you [TS]

  me too all right and thank you everybody [TS]

  out there for listening to this super [TS]

  current unless your listing from 2019 [TS]

  episode of the uncomfortable talking [TS]

  about guardians of the galaxy we [TS]

  appreciate it and we're going to be [TS]

  stuck with us we'll see you next week [TS]

  and thanks for listening to buy [TS]