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H.I. #48: Grumpy About Art

 

  Every time I'm editing me I always think. Who is this idiot talking. And why does he sound so much like me to Brady. [TS]

  You have been up to some not enough. Since we last spoke. Yeah. I cannot tell a lie. What have you been doing. [TS]

  Well after you gave me official approval for their reunion Swan pin to become the official bird. Of ephod cast. [TS]

  And the Jamaican rice rep to become the official Ross rat of a podcast. Did I give you official permission. [TS]

  Or did I just not stop you. Oh well. [TS]

  I don't I I can I can't really lie because people just go back and listen to any way. [TS]

  I believe I have to Kemah fish to Zoe I I did get up to a little bit of notice. And I created. The official T. Shirts. [TS]

  Of the reunion swamp and the Jamaican Ross rat for hello internet fans. [TS]

  Visit and made a little a little page where people could buy them. Now I want to be clear here. [TS]

  I did this behind your back. But I didn't like going live with it without telling me I then at the very last minute. [TS]

  Sort of said Gregory of. I've done something right. And you're like oh no you're walking up to me. Shuffling your feet. [TS]

  Holding something behind your back. That's you then present to me. [TS]

  Which is the designs for the reunion swamp hen and the rice wraps. T. Shirts Jamaican rice rat. Jamaican rice red. [TS]

  Sorry the Jamaican rice right because there are other US rats but the Jamaican ricer as their official rice rat. [TS]

  Would I wouldn't want people to get confused of course not exactly. So they station it's a currently available. [TS]

  There's one of these counter deadline things on it that people have to buy them so hopefully by the time you put this [TS]

  podcast up there still will be some days left so if you would like a Jamaican Russ rat or Reunion Swan pan. [TS]

  Official hello internet. Say ship. And how could you not want to be honest. How. [TS]

  Could you now have you thought why I haven't bought a Jamaican rice rap. T. [TS]

  Shirt yet know the that that hasn't happened you know I like what you're saying yet. [TS]

  Yeah you think I need to leave the door open for that you were also it's a promotional T. [TS]

  Shirts given to you by your night's Why would you not we want to race. Do I Do I wear all sorts of promotional T. [TS]

  Shirts. [TS]

  I think you're confusing me with Derek a very happy I'm not in your record of the last part cost of the Minute Physics [TS]

  Taisha are meant to think human Henry did sneakily leave behind a Minute Physics T. Shirt. [TS]

  When he visited me here in London and. It has been making its way in the rotation. For my wardrobe. [TS]

  I'm not I'm not wearing shirts all the time. On the dark. [TS]

  So currently the reunion swamp hen is outselling the Jamaican rice Raptor That surprises. [TS]

  I mean it's a it's a rice rat. I'm not surprised that a hen is outselling a rice rat. Hen sounds nicer. [TS]

  Are they different colors I forget I only looked at them the ones that latest. Shook my head. Disappointment. [TS]

  They both come in grey of course. The official color palette Internet. That I will give you that I will give you. [TS]

  But the Jamaican roster also comes in blue. And the reunion Swan pen. Also comes in red. Oh OK. [TS]

  And their man designs and Lady designs available who can show you could buy two is H one CA and one for someone else. [TS]

  Of the opposite gender you know. There you go people had a good sweat for sales pitch how could you not want one. [TS]

  I don't know how one could not want the unofficial official. [TS]

  Henry threat of the hello internet pod cast I would say it's the official unofficial official share my so. [TS]

  It's official in the sense that the Hell Internet Corporation is going to be making money off of these T. Shirts. [TS]

  It's going to with your shot fund I'm surprised you're not talking it up. Yes it's official Hello into debt. [TS]

  Merchandise that I'm sure will haunt us at all public gatherings. From now until the rest of time. [TS]

  And as I said in the sales description for the raw stretch it may be extinct [TS]

  but it will live forever on the station at buy at where it. And tweak create a picture of it. [TS]

  You know it don't do we've got a picture of it. That's perfectly OK. You don't need to sweep me. [TS]

  You know you can tweet a picture of yourself. Hash tag. Never forget to make a rice rat. [TS]

  If you don't need to include me on that one. I think. I think few of them enough will say Oh that we can. [TS]

  That you could handle a few tweets. We'll see we'll see how it goes after the pod cast goes up. [TS]

  One of the happiest moments of my life will be the first time you are asked to sign a reunion swamp a nice. Oh yeah. [TS]

  Will you enjoy that will be funny to you on the card. [TS]

  I'm signing a reunion swamp into you share all this does is just confirm what I knew about you Brady. [TS]

  Which is that I give you an inch and. You haven't taken a mile. You take in miles and miles. Astronomical units. [TS]

  You should be admiring my entrepreneurial spirit. Very admiring us of how many things you get done. [TS]

  I can absolutely assure you any profits made from this will not be. [TS]

  In any way equipment they meant of time I spent on this. [TS]

  Thinking about it and enjoying it is the joke of it that warms your heart. [TS]

  It's the joke of it but the joke is funny of the more that so. [TS]

  So one of those that seem self-serving but I'll go along with I know you know. [TS]

  I mean if I could put all the profits towards bringing back. Jamaican rice rat well. But I'm afraid. [TS]

  If only they have it although I was listening to a podcast the other day about someone who's trying to bring back. [TS]

  Woolly Mammoths magnificent gigantic bully mammoths that would be amazing. But maybe. [TS]

  Maybe you can really sells a one on the Jamaican rice rat. Revival project instead. [TS]

  He said it so as the charismatic megafauna people want to bring back. They're so charming. [TS]

  Those charismatic like if I tell you we're not doing that cone of this weight [TS]

  but if we were going to be doing things Brady was obsessed with has a kid going to the woolly mammoth could definitely [TS]

  on that one. [TS]

  Love myself some will remember the action that you do your little cave man had a generally mammoth body growing up. [TS]

  I can't tell if you're being naughty or not so let's move a Swiss army knives. That coal and they are very cool. [TS]

  They are very cool we talked about how cool they were last time and for people who aren't familiar with them and. [TS]

  In my mind and I think most people's minds. The iconic color of a Swiss army knife is red. [TS]

  Yeah that's what in my mind is red and the white. Logo on it exactly. [TS]

  So we heard from a member of the Swiss Army in the last episode and I sort of put the question out there. [TS]

  Do you get given Swiss Army knives and other handles read. [TS]

  It was only afterwards it occurred to me maybe red handles would be the best for a member of the military. [TS]

  I guess if you're hiding in the jungles of Switzerland. They may stand there. [TS]

  I'm not sure that the watch who takes to Switzerland wherever you happen to be serving one [TS]

  or the other thing once more likely and it's not the Junco his name out right this comes from. Andrea's high Brady. [TS]

  I spent a short stint in the Swiss armed forces as a driver with the Signal Corps. [TS]

  Indeed we get issued with a Swiss army knife. But not the iconic red one. [TS]

  It is a rather dull alum India model See the attached picture of my own knife. [TS]

  However since two thousand and eight thousand eyes that issued anymore by the army at a different one is east. [TS]

  Say the wiki page. [TS]

  At the new model is a bit larger can be opened with one hand and the blade is locked in the apron position. [TS]

  I think it's funny how the English speaking world associates the north with the Swiss Army. [TS]

  We just call that second message. Which means pocketknife. We so shout it was Switzerland in general not the army. [TS]

  It is considered an object of cultural value. There is a common saying a proper Swiss always has a pocket knife on him. [TS]

  They are red not as standard. As my thread is not standard looks good in red though. And you want to. [TS]

  You want to useful multi-tool to be immediately identifiable. It will a bag full of gear. Read. [TS]

  It is for the terrorists maybe I mean my original one was read Having said that my current society not has a blue Hendo [TS]

  actually. Here it is in my hand that this is pod casting call this moment. [TS]

  I always love that you have so many things within reach of where you're sitting. We do wherever the conversation goes. [TS]

  Brady within arm's length has an object related to it. [TS]

  Thank everyone get ready this is going to be the click of me I think my Swiss Army knife [TS]

  and Ike And I give permission for people to use this is their ring time. Through it like the old i Phone on lock sound. [TS]

  Then I guess crashing through the follow up. [TS]

  But I have a feeling we're about to get bogged down those we enter the way out of hot stuff as I have much. [TS]

  Starbuck follow up. You want to hear about hot suppers Brady. [TS]

  I'm just so excited by how the word hot stuff has got traction so I quickly. [TS]

  With your help as well but normally your services didn't to my made up words. [TS]

  Resistance to your terrible made up words. But hot stoppers is great. It's fun to say. And it's roughly descriptive. [TS]

  So I it's why I'm on. I'm on board immediately. Here's here's the here's the thing Brady. When your ideas are good. [TS]

  I like the right away. And when they're bad I'm resistant to them. [TS]

  But you're eventually come around to the bad ones if you wear me down over the weeks in my view if your bad ideas are [TS]

  Pete it often enough that it's a bit like brainwashing and you think. I guess freebooting does sound all right. [TS]

  I can accept that word. [TS]

  Do you know what the funny thing about stop as is and don't get me wrong I love the word [TS]

  and we will continue using it is when I found that what the real name for these things were. [TS]

  That's a pretty and word as well. What's the real word. Splash sticks. Splash dicks. [TS]

  It's like hot stoppers that way better. Yeah. So here's my here's my follow up from this. [TS]

  There was much tweeting on the day the pod cast went out about the hot stoppers. [TS]

  Hang on a second grade on a second one before you get on your high horse [TS]

  and talk about has it was much tweeting you spoon fed paper based in. Oh yeah. You are responsible for most of this. [TS]

  You created this auto to wait wait if people just looked at their screen the wrong way they accidently tweeted [TS]

  something to stab looks about the issue. Oh yeah. [TS]

  I was totally trying to rile up a lynch mob here Brady I'm not going to deny this it all happened because I want my hot [TS]

  stoppers. And if I can foment an angry mob. With torches and pitchforks to storm Starbucks U.K. [TS]

  Headquarters to make hot stoppers happen. I'm going to do it. And I'm going to totally abuse my power. [TS]

  There's no denial here. I will stir this up for forever. [TS]

  The feedback that came out was some people were saying Oh we do have hot stoppers. [TS]

  In our Starbucks [TS]

  and so I believe it was the one in Nottingham in Dade the University of Nottingham stop us apparently does supply. [TS]

  Hot stuff as to its patrons. Yet another reason to go to the University of Nottingham. [TS]

  I will give that as a one hundred percent legitimate reason to consider the University of Nottingham above other places [TS]

  in the United Kingdom study. Put that in your league tables a better yet. Put it on your foot on your application form. [TS]

  Why do you want to come to our university. I hear they're hot stoppers in Starbucks. [TS]

  They could have let the front page of the universe devoting a prospectus is just a student having a stab us with a [TS]

  great big heart stopper it presses of who could say no. Nobody. While I was trying to rabble rouse and. [TS]

  And for home and. Foment Internet anger about this. This entirely trivial issue. [TS]

  That is deeply important to me. [TS]

  and just me maybe Pratt's was getting in on the action which is another coffee company here in the U.K. [TS]

  I saw their opportunities. Exactly. They were tweeting up a storm about oh we have hot stoppers and. [TS]

  I was trying to delicately. [TS]

  Blackmail Starbucks because I actually went out that morning for a coffee and I thought oh let me check and see. [TS]

  And I went to press and I confirmed Oh yes I've ordered filter coffee or prep. They give me a hot stopper. [TS]

  So I sent this passive aggressive tweet to Starbucks U.K. [TS]

  About how I go I got my morning coffee from Pret today and they have a lovely hot stopper. [TS]

  Your moves Starbucks and Starbucks was very quiet all day long and as I'm sure some P.R. [TS]

  Person was trying to figure out what the host going on here. [TS]

  What the hot stuff I think that freebooting guy get into out of context who knows what's happening. [TS]

  And then eventually they send a tweet to me which I think was attempting to placate me. [TS]

  But it just enraged me even further. Which was. They said Oh we do have hot stoppers.. [TS]

  But they are in the drive through Starbucks. Here in the U.K. We don't have them in the regular Starbucks or have X. [TS]

  I'd like to introduce you to my friend Gray who does not have a cause it's not just that I don't have a car. [TS]

  When they sent that. I immediately I hit little reply button on Twitter. [TS]

  And I must've typed out twenty different things to send back. [TS]

  And I kept a racing and trying to rewrite it and thinking like. How do I explain how do I explain in a single tweet. [TS]

  How you have in a fury to me even more because now I know that there isn't as you were suggesting last time.. [TS]

  Perhaps some dumb the choking regulation that's preventing hot stoppers. From entering the U.K. [TS]

  There might be some corporate policy. Oh no there's there's no reason for this totally off the track. [TS]

  Now we're using hot stoppers. In a situation where it is useful. And so it's just some some arbitrary. [TS]

  Arbitrary decision. And just. I. There are hot stoppers to be had but not for me. Not at my Starbucks. [TS]

  And I find this double e infuriating. Now. Now I'm angry or when I go to Starbucks.. [TS]

  As opposed to when I just thought oh they're not in the U.K. So listen to me angry mob. This is not over. [TS]

  Keep the tweets coming toward Starbucks. I am still serious about this. If the hello internet. Podcast. Accomplishes. [TS]

  This change. I think it will be the greatest thing this pod cast has ever done. Really hot stoppers. In the U.K. [TS]

  Greater than free pretty by greatest thing ever done. I really mean greatest thing for me. [TS]

  Every heard and I mean accrediting and. So I mean. OK I know that charity money we raise the canary out of Africa. [TS]

  Whatever. African penguin Penguin It's Megan. You know as they've been penguins live listen. [TS]

  Sometimes I spill coffee on myself. [TS]

  Although I did notice sort of the the equivalent population of a small African nation did tweet you to say you realize [TS]

  you can buy these things on non-serious that of. So other things that were infuriating me about the hot stopper. [TS]

  Debacle. On the Internet hot stuff the guy has become know. [TS]

  Yes that's right there is a million versions of two suggestions for people. Both of which I find if you're using one. [TS]

  You know that you can buy these on the Internet. And just keep. Them we keep you all the time. [TS]

  This I just find maddening. Who wants to keep track of this kind of thing. [TS]

  Oh I want to make sure that I always have some hot stoppers in my pockets or in my bag with me all the time. [TS]

  No not me I'm not going to do this. [TS]

  And besides it's the kind of thing where it's going to be down in your coffee so you need to make sure that it's [TS]

  relatively clean like I can't just throw it in my bag with all the other junk. This is no good. [TS]

  And it adds to this cognitive load of like oh I have to think in advance for this thing that should just be a trivial [TS]

  convenience. It's like a restaurant that just didn't have napkins. And they're like oh. [TS]

  Just remember to bring your own napkins. You know what. Ignoto I'm not going to remember to bring my own napkins. [TS]

  You're supposed to supply this this is this is the way this is a post or. [TS]

  You're talking about what stuff is but there are a fundamental human right. Parted So we're here for it. [TS]

  Each is own country. [TS]

  I kind of understand because there's nothing I hate more than [TS]

  when my wife spills coffee in Micah it's bit of a thing between a slut. [TS]

  She knows when she when she gets in my cover the coffee she's like don't worry I won't spell it. [TS]

  Because the smell of coffee. I mean you know how I feel about the smell of coffee. I do know. [TS]

  I mean that's obviously where the pressure came to pass that the drive through hot stuff as we just need to bring some [TS]

  of the pressure to bear for the on foot community. The other thing. [TS]

  Was this variation on a piece of advice that I get all the time from people across a wide variety of activities that I [TS]

  also find. Of Oh just be more careful. People who are telling me oh just walk more carefully. With your coffee. [TS]

  Why don't you pay more attention when you're walking with coffee and always someone so proud of themselves. [TS]

  Our walk with coffee every day [TS]

  and hive tempers build a drop of coffee on myself why can't you accomplish the same thing. OK. Listen people. [TS]

  The point of civilization. Is to be able to accomplish. [TS]

  A greater number of things without having to think about the details. That's what the path of civilization is. [TS]

  And so if I want to walk with coffee and not have to think constantly. Don't jiggle it. Don't bump into anything. [TS]

  Don't rotate your hand slightly too much. That's not progress. That's especially there's a solution available for this. [TS]

  And I just find the just be more careful thing. Absolutely infuriating. And in my mind. [TS]

  The iconic moment of this sort of advice was several years ago my wife and I had a had a friend staying over. [TS]

  And this was just after Apple had introduced the brand new mag safe. Adapters for their laptops and. [TS]

  We had gotten a new laptop with one of those mag safe adapters. And the friend. [TS]

  Dismissed it immediately she goes Oh that's dumb. Why don't you just be careful around your laptop. [TS]

  Why don't you just never trip over the cord like people who think that just drive me crazy it's like they're anti [TS]

  progress. It's like for you want problems in the world. You want problems that people can. [TS]

  Can solve in easy ways that we never have to think about a thing ever again. [TS]

  I just saw just be more careful just infuriates me as a vision. Absolute absolutely infuriating. [TS]

  Why should cry be more careful when we can just as a silly. [TS]

  Produce a piece of plastic that were never disintegrate [TS]

  and probably get stuck in the mouth of some polls little penguin chick in the ocean. Exactly exactly grade. [TS]

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  Well you tweeted today the picture of sort of your. [TS]

  It made a sound like I care finally decided on what face I want on my Apple Watch. [TS]

  And you should share that with the Weldon. And it just does my head in. [TS]

  Yet why did the do you had and do you not realize these. Look silly. [TS]

  It feels like us I think probably said it before it's. [TS]

  It's like Emperor's New Clothes are feel like you're walking down Oxford straight naked. [TS]

  To everyone look at my amazing robes everyone. And I feel like shouting crowd. You're not wearing amazing roads. [TS]

  You're naked. So you feel that my wrist is naked when I'm wearing an apple watch. [TS]

  No it's not it's not naked I just feel like I need to slap you in psych grade that doesn't look good enough. [TS]

  You're cool than that the you think I am cooler than my apple watch. Particular. Yes. [TS]

  Just as I want to suggest your co write an article that would not be a good suggestion that I have been many things in [TS]

  my life. Cool is not one of them aren't. And I know a lot of people who listen have Apple watches on like them and. [TS]

  I don't want to. And I know I've talked about a enough but it just doesn't look that good. I was thinking about it. [TS]

  You know of us are speaking about all these things before. And it's little no taste. [TS]

  And I and I understand all the good things about the Apple Watch. [TS]

  I think of figured out what the problem is for today at least when the Apple Watch. Lacks sophistication. [TS]

  That's what it lacks to help me. [TS]

  I was sort of grappling with this thinking Heck I don't even understand what I'm thinking. [TS]

  So what I did was I looked up the opposite of sophisticated in sophistication. And one of the words that was suggested. [TS]

  Was an refined. And I think maybe that's what the airport is suffering from and some ice. [TS]

  Because it's so new hasn't been through a process of refinement and. [TS]

  For once the thing it's up against as opposed to just a computer from ten years ago or twenty years ago [TS]

  or a phone mobile phone from ten years ago. The thing is up against is something that has been three. [TS]

  Many many many iterations of refinement and therefore [TS]

  when you compare it you're comparing a new ball on that just hasn't quite figured out what it is yet. [TS]

  Versus something that has figured out what it is [TS]

  and it's got a very different place in the world in a very definite Starner look. That's kind of you know. [TS]

  A valved and. And I think maybe that's the problem. [TS]

  Because one of the things people say and one of the things I thought [TS]

  when I look at the picture of on your wrist that you tweeted today. [TS]

  Is childlike that fits in with what I just said like it's a it's a newborn that still hasn't quite figured out what it [TS]

  is and looks like a child. [TS]

  I think that you are right in in the way that Apple is going up against this is stablished industry. So for example. [TS]

  A thing that we will talk about later is that I recently saw your watch collection. In person. Yeah. [TS]

  You have some very fine watches. And the watches span. A length of time. [TS]

  From your oldest to your newest they've been created over. [TS]

  I mean yes a sixty year timeframe from your oldest one to your newest one that about right. Yeah I guess. [TS]

  So it is definitely an industry that has been around for quite a while and one of the reasons why this is you. [TS]

  Up there where that I happen to be tweeting about the app watch today. [TS]

  Is that Apple just recently released their new version of the software for the Apple Watch. Which allows you to change. [TS]

  A few of the things on the face primarily that. If you have applications installed on your watch. [TS]

  They can use the little what Apple calls complications lots to display information. Them on the Apple Watch face. [TS]

  Normally you have the watches in the center and there's four slots around the edge where you can put stuff. [TS]

  The weather. How many TO DO YOU HAVE LEFT. These this kind of thing. And Apple having done this to me. [TS]

  Has actually made the watch a little bit more frustrating to use. [TS]

  Because when it first came out you didn't have very many options about what you could do. And this is them. [TS]

  Opening the door a little bit into customize ability. [TS]

  And it highlights the limitations with the designs that Apple has selected. [TS]

  I don't think they have a great selection of built in watch faces. [TS]

  And the watch faces that they do have are extremely limiting in various ways. [TS]

  So I think this is this is why I've been talking to a bunch of people about the Apple Watch [TS]

  and everybody feels the same kind of frustration about the fact that you can't change it more to look better. [TS]

  And that's one of the reasons why I was I was tweeting the thing that I did. Because my feeling was. [TS]

  I have settled on this. But I'm not super happy with this like this is not the ultimate way that I want this to look. [TS]

  But this is what I have decided is the way to make it look the best. Right now. So that's one of the reasons why I was. [TS]

  I was tweeting that and I would definitely definitely look forward to more refinement. In the design. [TS]

  On the Apple Watch. And in particular like Apple. Let other companies sell. [TS]

  Watch faces for people like there are ways to make this look. [TS]

  Are these five Johnny I've selected designed that you have built in which are really only two. [TS]

  Practically usable faces. Is not even remotely enough. That's why I feel this frustration. [TS]

  To others like an refinement. [TS]

  Is a is a good way to is a good way to put it was there anything interesting in the feedback that you solicited from [TS]

  people who did you wanted everybody to pile on my terrible watch design Well now did I think that it'll have it [TS]

  and I didn't want people to pile on I want to hear what other people thought. Good and bad. [TS]

  So I did get people to email me at my new email address that people should also use for the corners like what people do [TS]

  in this new Kona which is what is that address. Message for Brady. [TS]

  At Cheam out up com That's the best one to send to if you want to get something read on the podcast. [TS]

  Because my other email addresses you very likely just to get going missing. And that's the want to share. [TS]

  Before the pod casts a message for Brady. Number four. [TS]

  So people did email me today they're at your watch by would say over of the fade back I got which turns out I have [TS]

  printed out. Was sixty forty or seventy thirty. Against. And some people said they did like a lot. [TS]

  And a very jealous of your watch. My favorite comment was someone just you know. [TS]

  And a locust is better than fake kind of OK. Which I think is you know. Often my point. [TS]

  Having fake digital hands moving around protect the analog will always be something that baffles me. [TS]

  When I understand that time moves in a circle and it's easier to rate the time in this way [TS]

  and stuff like that we've already had to discussions. [TS]

  But the the one thing that came up a few times even from people that did like your watch face is the green seconds [TS]

  and they did their apoplectic by that. [TS]

  I tried to take a picture of how the watch looks when you're actually wearing it. [TS]

  Because Apple has this thing where you do the screen shot and it looks kind of funny it's. [TS]

  It's very hard to get a picture of how it looks. When you're really wearing it. I pick the green. [TS]

  Because to my eye that's very clear. [TS]

  It's also a bit of I don't think any of the other colors that Apple has are good [TS]

  or it to me they're they're hard to visually. Pick out. And so this is one of the reasons why I like the green. [TS]

  But the second is that I have always been a fan of the old fashioned look of computers. [TS]

  That I grew up with Yash is just green phosphorus on a black background. That color combination is. [TS]

  I think just because of the way I grew up a very attractive color combination to me. Yeah. [TS]

  So that's one of the reasons why I. I like that. I don't think there are any other options. [TS]

  That even if Apple came out with better colors. I'd probably stick with the green. [TS]

  But that's a that is totally a personal as that ik that I have always really liked that color combination for [TS]

  computerese stuff. [TS]

  And so the whole watch that I have is black and then that little bit of green is the only color so I like it. [TS]

  But I can completely understand that that would not be this. [TS]

  The color selection for probably the vast majority of people who would be using it. [TS]

  The need to open the floodgates of it [TS]

  and I'm just let people with bad Tice to express that bad Tyson paper with good test. Make the what shine betta Yeah. [TS]

  They really do is even trying to think this morning like how much money would I be willing to pay for custom watch [TS]

  faces. Apple. This is just your profit for you and. There's gotta be a huge amount of demand for it. [TS]

  And even when they open it up they always open it up in in this frustrating way. And so with the most recent update. [TS]

  Now people can put pictures as the background of their watch. [TS]

  Which I feel I got here we go like this is the beginning of people's watches looking terrible. [TS]

  Because there's going to be like a baby face taking up the whole watch. [TS]

  But even when Apple lets you do that it's like oh if you want to use the picture of your baby. For the watch. Well. [TS]

  Wary deciding that the only way you're going to do that is the time is always going to be in the upper right it's going [TS]

  to be small and you can have nothing else on the watch and. We're allowing you customization. [TS]

  But it feels like we're doing it. Resentful e. Think we'd really rather not have you. [TS]

  Putting this custom wallpaper here. [TS]

  So we're going to make the only watch that lets you customize it be as inconvenient to actually use day to day. [TS]

  As possible. Thanks Josh some just sent you a link. Looking at this link that you just sent me. [TS]

  Us thought this was interesting little story. You have sent here link. About the Magna Carta flying first class. [TS]

  To New York. On British Airways. Yeah so that obviously one of the twenty four. [TS]

  Original back to Qantas is going on display. So it's going on the line from from the U.K. [TS]

  Obviously this is just British Airways doing bit of a publicist on saying look we flew first class because that's how [TS]

  well we took take care of things. [TS]

  I read in the article that the Magna Carta has a price tag of twenty four million pounds do you think it's just a [TS]

  publicity stunt. [TS]

  You have course you know you think maybe it's not related to security that they want to have someone sitting next to [TS]

  the Magna Carta the whole time. You know and then. [TS]

  Yeah you had them in first class so that they're isolated like how also to ship. [TS]

  Yeah but then why you don't have to make that point. [TS]

  They probably fly prison is first class as well for the same reason [TS]

  but they don't really support a press release every time they do it. Well. [TS]

  I mean because nobody nobody cares about prisoners. But people do care about the Magna Carta. [TS]

  And it's funny to think about the Magna Carta sitting there in the first class seat. Exactly. Funny. [TS]

  Published of a they knew it would get attention. [TS]

  This is by the book but you're saying you [TS]

  but just what you're just saying you're saying it as though they'd have it down in the cargo hold. [TS]

  If it wasn't a publicity stunt. [TS]

  And I don't think so I think you'd be flying first class anyway that's not what I say that you know I have been having [TS]

  over the British Airways stuff how to get next to a first class seat. [TS]

  Carry their own that to throw not to get publicity. [TS]

  That's not my point my point is I know that you want to talk about the price tag. [TS]

  But the first class is simple message more interesting to me. Well. Like the twenty four million pounds. [TS]

  You know where does that number come from people think it is pulling a number out of the air. [TS]

  This is the point that it's more than I think it's worth. [TS]

  Do you think the Magna Carta would so for twenty four million pounds. Here's the thing if you put it up for auction. [TS]

  Who knows how much these things. Go for at auction. Yeah I just it just needs to Russian oil barons doesn't. [TS]

  Yeah that's exactly right. The auction is by no means any indicator. Her of the actual value of the thing. [TS]

  Bill Gates just spent a couple years ago like a ridiculous sum of money for like one of Leonardo's notebooks [TS]

  or something I can't remember what it was think Marvin the card expressed. [TS]

  So like Bill Gates buys this thing and then people say oh it's worth. X. Number of dollars. [TS]

  Well good luck trying to resell that. I don't think it's these numbers mean anything. [TS]

  They just want to come up with some gigantic number that says oh the Magna Carta is worth. This amount of money. Yeah. [TS]

  It's not meaningful. I think. Objects like this it is correct. To use the word. Priceless. [TS]

  Not priceless in the sense of infinitely valuable. But priceless in the sense of. [TS]

  It is impossible to put a meaningful number on the value of them. Irreplaceable. [TS]

  And if it's something to replace it with and it is priceless and I don't know about that go into. [TS]

  Why is that not cares. You just bring this on me. But I feel that there. There is a case to be made for things. [TS]

  Irreplaceable things are not intrinsically priceless. But I can think of nothing off the top of my head. [TS]

  We will leave it for the read it I mean I could occupy says well you could argue both sides of anything. [TS]

  Don't bother arguing with me. I just said it. Anyway. [TS]

  The thing that was more interesting to me about how first class thing was I remember you telling me. [TS]

  You know we have this ongoing discussion about you being willing to white weeks and weeks and weeks for a fly. Yep. [TS]

  Worth it. On standby. Yet. Because of that because of that sweet sweet sweet. [TS]

  It was a three Sweet see used when you talked about how much. [TS]

  How could you not at first class ones that sweet ass oblique first class. [TS]

  You tell me how wonderful it was so new I looked up this article when I rated first class cabin on different add ons. [TS]

  Man first class cabins on different airlines are still over there evil. Even within an airline. [TS]

  They are hugely variable. Hugely variable on this list that I'm looking at United Airlines Global first. [TS]

  Twenty fourth at a twenty four. So you enjoy that sweet sweet first class they're part of a file. [TS]

  After you've waited for weeks to get on the bottom of the pile. Compared to other people's first class cabins. [TS]

  Not bottom of the pile. Compared to a condom me. This is the relevant point here Brady say Oh. [TS]

  You spent a week at the twenty fourth best luxury hotel in the world. Oh poor you it must have been terrible. [TS]

  No it was amazing because it's a luxury hotel is the twenty fourth best in the world there [TS]

  but the thing you leave out of that story is the three weeks you spent in the slums of Calcutta waiting to get in the [TS]

  heart to oh by the slums of Calcutta. Do you mean. [TS]

  The two weeks that I spent extra visiting with my family over the summer and entirely comfortable conditions. [TS]

  You know I made Washington Dulles Airport. There's always Dulles there at the economy or not has always Dulles. [TS]

  So that doesn't make any difference to your parents aimlessly. This is my whole point. Staying an additional two weeks. [TS]

  No burden on me. Flying first class. Glorious it was a totally reasonable tradeoff to make think you're just grumpy. [TS]

  That you didn't fly first class [TS]

  and I think that's all this is I wouldn't want to fly in the twenty fourth best I want to fly in the best. [TS]

  Remember that the next time you're sitting in an economy cabin somewhere off. What was the best way. [TS]

  It's got to be like Singapore Airlines Singapore Singapore has I've seen that little promo video for it's amazing the [TS]

  other couples. Suite in the middle. [TS]

  It's just it's astounding that you have basically a very small hotel room in the middle of the Singapore Airlines [TS]

  flights. I flew Singapore Airlines to Singapore. I mean the effort class to define it was no. [TS]

  But I wish I did not first class because when we got there. [TS]

  Not because I wanted to actually fly on a certain date [TS]

  and I wasn't willing to just go in the whim of the airline about when I could fly right right or terms that when we [TS]

  when we when we did get there. [TS]

  That Prince William [TS]

  and Kate Middleton had been in first class on that plane was quite a nice asst in terms of a ips on your client. [TS]

  That's pretty good. That's pretty go on future king numb pressed. And my M. [TS]

  I mean i'm not impressed in the sense of you mean you didn't do anything to accomplish that you were just on the plane [TS]

  with them. I'm sure they take plane rides all the time. Yeah. [TS]

  I'm not impressed by your flying on the same flight with royalty if that's what you're asking me if I think it's [TS]

  interesting. But I'm not impressed by your ability to be on a human transportation device with other humans. [TS]

  Some of whom are notable. Sorry Baby steps are. [TS]

  Stand by does not rule stamp that Amber is a price you pay for something you want. [TS]

  It's not like it's not like I said HIV here. [TS]

  If you like this first class ticket for the day you're flying in your NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO I like the randomness of [TS]

  stand by. I don't want to know when I'm going to where I'm going to fly. [TS]

  You of all people control and wants everything the way he wants. You. Sometimes Brady just gotta live. [TS]

  Live life on the now. And it's and it's worth it. I can't miss despising that what you're always telling me. Yeah. [TS]

  I did realize you're listening. I'm just under doing the Brady thing in this scenario in reaping all the rewards. [TS]

  Continuing with. Hello it's Ned the official podcast of the New Zealand flag referendum. I've gotta say Brady. [TS]

  There is just man ting evidence that the hello internet pod cast. Is the decisive factor in the New Zealand. [TS]

  Flag referendum. We speak. They act. [TS]

  I don't know what they're doing in New Zealand but whatever it is they're certainly fading out God complex. [TS]

  Because I I feel like. All I have to do is suggest. Merely suggest something about the New Zealand flag referendum and. [TS]

  It is tomorrow's headlines. Exactly. The over those of you listening to the podcast. The relevant piece of information. [TS]

  Is that immediately after on the podcast. We discussed the red peak. Flag as the fifth contender. [TS]

  I mean within twenty four hours. The New Zealand government. Capitulated and has added red peak. [TS]

  To the official shortlist so that New Zealanders can vote on it in the referendum to decide what is going to go against [TS]

  the New Zealand flag. Eventually at some place it's obvious that we have very influential in New Zealand. [TS]

  I mean that's always been the case historically and this is just baring that happened. [TS]

  Getting back to the actual politics of what's going on here. This is craziness. I mean you said on the podcast. [TS]

  You hoop favors read Paco said. There was a snowball's chance in hell that it would be added. And I added it and and. [TS]

  That was a new pics cheap ID. You're exactly right. There is no way I should have done this. [TS]

  It seems insane for them to have done this. [TS]

  Just on the whim of the people I am all for responsive government the rest is none the less like there were a bunch of [TS]

  rules that were laid out for how this thing is going to go. And then at the last minute. [TS]

  They they want to change up the rules. I want to be really clear here. [TS]

  I am glad that red peak is being included on this list. What did. It seems kind of crazy. [TS]

  Like the New Zealand Government has has made. Has issued a statement saying. [TS]

  We're happy to negotiate with terrorists like that that's what this sounds like to me. [TS]

  I was going to happen are they going to have the final vote and then. [TS]

  If someone doesn't like it they're going to overturn the referendum because of a hash tag [TS]

  or something I mean this is crazy gray. Read pay. The Quds government wake. That is the new slogan of this. Oh Bernard. [TS]

  No seriously it's like how spineless that a pig bunch of people who signed an online petition. [TS]

  And they just said Alright which that one as well and this one was repeat even in the long list. [TS]

  That's an interesting question I don't I don't know if it even was in long last screechy going to pan out. [TS]

  Oh no it actually was on the long list it actually wasn't a long list. When I saw people saying that it's been added. [TS]

  I thought oh surely this is just a joke. You can't possibly be real. [TS]

  When I realize that it was real my immediate thought was oh so I guess it would be fun to organize an Internet outrage [TS]

  campaign to get another one on the referendum. Where does it stop. [TS]

  So I mean if they're at least going to stick with the with the forty one's [TS]

  or the thirty nine ones that were on that long list. [TS]

  I'd say hey let's let's start an Internet outrage campaign over the one that I think is probably. [TS]

  The worst choice is to go with that black jack flag that I mentioned last night. Which has the New Zealand. Style. [TS]

  Union Jack in the corner. Let's go right we're going to I'm going to start an Internet. [TS]

  Angry angry mob again Starbucks. Well. [TS]

  Clue what's the prime minister's Twitter like let's let's start a campaign for blackjack. This thing. [TS]

  It just encourages this kind of rabble rouser behavior [TS]

  and I find myself to almost unable to resist the notion of going all in on a totally fake outrage campaign for [TS]

  including the black jack flag. It's just a quick. Raising that it does I feel like there's a whole New Zealand. [TS]

  Flag referendum. Like it's amateur hour over a New Zealanders other so well. [TS]

  I mean I don't know why I'm subset because I'm a strategy and I should speed laughing [TS]

  and enjoying this debacle of New Zealand. But office sorry for them you know. It is been amazing. Because this thing. [TS]

  Which feels like it should have been a kind of boring. [TS]

  Bureaucratic process has been spitting out a surprising amount of drama over a long period of time to find so I texted [TS]

  my my in New Zealand the other dies on my best friends said to him. What do you think about the flags and. [TS]

  Who has replied one sentence. [TS]

  We fought to well it was on to the one we've got that stick with it though is an argument for tradition with them. [TS]

  There is you know. [TS]

  I'm not saying it's a good argument for not saying it is an argument that makes any kind of rational sense. [TS]

  There's certainly a portion of the population that is susceptible to things have always been this way. [TS]

  Let's not change them. [TS]

  The problem with the red pay can understand this is because I understand I already know if things are going to say. [TS]

  And everyone's gonna say. And this and that this is true of every flag including the United States flag when it was me. [TS]

  But the problem with bread take is a week ago. If you'd shine it to me. [TS]

  I would have had no idea what it was aware it was from. It doesn't it doesn't speak to me. [TS]

  Of New Zealand the way that that obvious obvious fit. And us. I just think that over thought or. [TS]

  I think that I've had I think I've had thirty years. [TS]

  Knowing that that next flag is going to be a plaque with a silver fern Ana. [TS]

  And I've gotten so used to it that when the time has come for them just to sign on the dotted line. [TS]

  They've had this crazy case of cold think. And gone. No it's just something pretty crazy and spontaneous. [TS]

  Like just do what you supposed to do. I know you feel that way. I'm still going to back. [TS]

  What I have seen online referred to as the hypno flag. The black and white Cory spiral of the name for it. [TS]

  The black [TS]

  and white fern thing I can totally understand that we're going to say this thing which which I hope has the effect of [TS]

  scuttling. The black and white flag option that they have. [TS]

  Which is someone pointed out to me this thing that I now cannot unsee [TS]

  and I want to spread this like a mind virus which is that the black and white fern. Has this weird. Almost three D. [TS]

  Effect to it. If you think about the white petals of the furniture the vertical ones. As though it's a row of Bush's. [TS]

  And then the black. Petals on the other side. Are the shadows being cast by those bushes or like at the picket fence. [TS]

  And the shadows. And I cannot. An see that now that I have heard it. And it would cause me to not vote for that option. [TS]

  I just I can't deal with that once I've seen it cannot unsee. So I want to spread this out New Zealand. [TS]

  And I'm only assuming as soon as the podcast goes live within twenty four hours. They're going to pull that flag. [TS]

  I mean if history. History tells us anything it's that black and white fern your days are numbered. [TS]

  As soon as this goes live. [TS]

  I tell you I don't not the black and white flag either that much but I but it's the only black and white ones I've go. [TS]

  It's the it's you know like in white fern one. Yeah. It's. Yeah it's the. [TS]

  You can keep your fans they do have hypno flag Brady. All hail hypno flag. [TS]

  I tell you I think crazy down there in New Zealand. Have you say no over and he read pick that started now. [TS]

  The first the first one I saw with some of some of the side of the thing I thought about. [TS]

  And if you're opposed to anything. Obviously the first thing you do is conjure up. Hitler and Nazi. [TS]

  Because that's that's how to win any. And the for so the first article I saw about red Pequots. [TS]

  This is the same logo that the Gestapo used on the checkpoints. And I was thinking. [TS]

  Oh that's inside and I can't use the Gestapo checkpoint symbol of their flag. And then when I looked at the picture. [TS]

  And it was just like of a hocussed up my hut. [TS]

  They just like cropped one little section of it in a certain way to show you sort of part of what red paint looks like [TS]

  it was pretty tenuous. [TS]

  They're trying to make it look like that [TS]

  and then the other one was someone saying that if you hold it in a certain way it makes a short stick up [TS]

  and that's true. If you get four flags and put the motor gather in a certain orientation. [TS]

  Sort of you know it's just like your wrist to hold of it the right angle. [TS]

  You can indeed make a short stick out of four red pick flags. [TS]

  And if you sort of a squint in turn your head in the right directions I haven't found then that you've got it. [TS]

  You've got to say having fun. At least the talking flags. And that's a good thing. I now feel this. [TS]

  The same kind of feeling that like childish delight of things going a ride. [TS]

  Is not you don't feel like really proud of this feeling as a human being with it is sometimes just irresistible [TS]

  and have little like. How can there be more trouble I how can we stir up some trouble. [TS]

  It's all because they let in the additional flag right it was it was just business is normal [TS]

  and then as soon as you show you're willing to capitulate in some way it's like our open the flood doors my friends [TS]

  over. Than they really Mattis want to anyway will be back next episode with with more. [TS]

  In fact just go into your news website now this probably stories are probably breaking already there live as his pod [TS]

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  Different characters a voiced by different actors. Nemo wife loves this series. [TS]

  And because she has a long drive to [TS]

  and from work each day she really most through the audiobooks should actually just finished one [TS]

  and was wondering what to try next. I said to her look. Another you don't listen to the podcast. [TS]

  If you did you know that gray recommended your beloved Golden Compass. She immediately downloaded it. [TS]

  Now mention she listens on her drive to and from work but she also listens to audiobooks around the house [TS]

  when I'm around. So I've heard many sections of this one. [TS]

  Of course I miss those hella long chunks when she tries to work but I already know the story. So that's I can my case. [TS]

  Now when I first heard the cast recording. I must admit I found a little strange. [TS]

  I wasn't sure if it was for me or not but I'd say within ten to twenty minutes. I was tidally loving it. [TS]

  This book really does lend itself to the format because of the. [TS]

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  and personalities all through the story you will my same room to have it all read by one person somewhere else. [TS]

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  I'm not going to barracks myself by trying to pronounce his name. But boy. [TS]

  That guy has a cove or so if he did a product as that would take over the world every time he comes on I say. [TS]

  I met this guy's voice is amazing how a lot of the book. [TS]

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  Just a quick Just a quick a. Just because a today news story at a time where recording. [TS]

  Such like a week out for the people listening or potentially a hero depending on [TS]

  when using has that help our cast work in a sunny that isn't. There was a at auction today. [TS]

  I believe was in London of movie memorabilia. [TS]

  One of the Awesomes that are only half jokingly I was talking with with their friend backpack I about maybe we should [TS]

  go halves and buy. I think he was serious. And I was an unserious was the sports our Monette prop. [TS]

  From The Back To The Future movies. Who now say now that we're. Be a cool thing though it would be. [TS]

  It would be like Matt was basically saying does anyone want to chip in with me for an icon of replied. [TS]

  Yeah like that's a code thing and made a few jokes but I was half hyping he'd get back to me and say. Seriously. [TS]

  We should do this [TS]

  but you know what I think he was thinking the same thing without admitting it because he followed the option live. [TS]

  And I think he might have bit because then he then said to me. He takes to me. Lakshman said I didn't get the almanac. [TS]

  We use the other person. Like I think he thought I was bidding against him. What are they go for in the end. [TS]

  It went and actually went for about four thousand seven hundred pounds I think it's like remove the numbers [TS]

  and the extra expense if I can't buy that [TS]

  but it's no Magna Carta is what I'm saying that would you would fly the economy. [TS]

  Fig's Ackley right you just put that in the patch in front of effects to the safety. Yeah. [TS]

  But I'm just thinking if I was if I was an eccentric millionaire. With a big house. [TS]

  I might I might bit on that sports all the knack. Prop and have it framed somewhere in the house like that is. [TS]

  That's cool enough like I really like that as a as an object [TS]

  and it's a fun prop because it's so pivotal to the movie as well. Is not just is not just. [TS]

  Here's an item that's iconic from the movie [TS]

  but that everybody uses is like that like the sports all men act move the plot so I I could definitely see to blame [TS]

  that on Omaha for granting that we didn't know get together and trying to chin for it now if we could live [TS]

  but if we're pitching in for it. I wouldn't want to share it with you and Matt Parker. [TS]

  And frankly a third of four thousand pounds is more than I would be willing to actually pay for it. [TS]

  I wouldn't go in on that. And we'd have to rotate it between houses is terrible. [TS]

  Oh it could have just been like an investment we could have put in a safety deposit box and. [TS]

  Oh and then none of us appreciate it. [TS]

  It's just it's an investment is like oh I have actual investments to invest and pose them elect that is not a. [TS]

  You couldn't sell that to me as an investment vehicle. The whole thing about it is that cool. [TS]

  Investment Vehicles are cool sounding that my wife now. [TS]

  Do you mean reasonable human reasonable [TS]

  and opposing you know that what you mean yeah I say I'm sounding like your wife opposing the making perfect sense yeah. [TS]

  When you're sitting at the kitchen table trying to pitch for Marty McFly sports all men act as an investment [TS]

  opportunity and she's thinking. No there's not a good idea. She was a supporter. [TS]

  But the thing is I have this incredible collection of framed or to graft. Astronaut photographs. [TS]

  And they currently sitting in this huge locked box. In a whole other city. And she's always saying. [TS]

  And I spent a fortune on either the is putting together this collection. [TS]

  But I'm too scared to put it on the walls because I don't want the sunlight to fight all the photos [TS]

  and because you have got all the men that walked on the moon autographed right. [TS]

  And she's what you got to get them out and enjoy themselves having them in a box. [TS]

  I mean she she doesn't want to look at them anyway I think she's quite happy not having them in the house [TS]

  but for my sake she says you should put them in your office or something because they mean so much here and [TS]

  and on my own No I don't want to ruin them or have anything happen to them than we were discussing this on my visit. [TS]

  I'm with your wife on this one. You should display at least some of them every day Brady. [TS]

  Every day you are one step closer to the grave. And your inability to enjoy those photographs. [TS]

  Why not put them up on the walls and enjoy them while you can. [TS]

  Something is seriously wrong in my life when I'm being given seize the moment advice from C G P Chris. Well it's just. [TS]

  It's just the worst aspects of having things. [TS]

  You're just a hoarder at this stage very best all you are you're just hoarding. Sighing photographs of astronauts. [TS]

  When you're telling the story. Just for the listeners here. When I visited you at your house. [TS]

  You showed me a trunk full of photograph of that was and that wasn't even the good stuff. [TS]

  But this is but this is what I mean now when you're telling me this story it's a zero. There are other trunks. [TS]

  In other cities with more photographs in them. [TS]

  You already showed me what I thought was an ungodly number of photographs. So you're just you're just a hoarder. [TS]

  And you're not even enjoying it. [TS]

  I'm a collector that's why I'm telling you write them on your wall no hold on the come back to you. OK. [TS]

  I mean you're not a hoarder in the sense of to walk into your office I didn't have to walk by stacks [TS]

  and stacks of a fucking to astronaut to the walls in every direction. But you say collector. [TS]

  But I'm going to say order because you're just not enjoying the things. [TS]

  This is why I'm telling you put them out in your office. Frame them. Have them up so that you can enjoy them. [TS]

  And if the sunlight. Fades. Ten of your precious photographs. [TS]

  Well you have enjoyed them while they are up there otherwise to enjoy things other than having them directly in front [TS]

  of your Abos by the way. Yeah I mean I guess if you enjoy the notion that you have locked them all the way. [TS]

  In your hoarder boxes in stash them in caches around the world. In different cities. [TS]

  I'm going to guess if that brings you pleasure. [TS]

  You go right ahead you go right ahead and do that but then I never want to hear again. [TS]

  Your comments about your regrets and your worries about hanging them up. [TS]

  You're conflicted about this that's why I'm I'm trying to help you through this conflict. But the model off. [TS]

  I'm telling you to decorate. You should give. [TS]

  I could make a lovely little museum in my second office could not like a little display room with people could come in [TS]

  at my two totally could we discuss this possibility. I really wish that you would defer it. [TS]

  But you're not you're just going to whoredom forever. And then you're going to die. [TS]

  And they'll look just as good on your deathbed. As they did the day that you got them. The end. The end of Brady. [TS]

  Remember in the last pod cast we spoke about car crashes and you speak about your car crash. [TS]

  Than we had and I kid you not a listener who had a car crash. [TS]

  As that section of the polka started and I was listening to it and that. [TS]

  OK this is the weird thing about about the numbers with the podcast that I have. I have a hard time. [TS]

  I have a hard time thinking about. When we were having that discussion. This thought actually passed through my mind. [TS]

  It did pass through my mind. It's not like the videos where we make. [TS]

  Where you have a pretty good sense of where is someone when they're watching one of your youtube videos. [TS]

  The answer is they are bunking off from work and watching one of your videos. [TS]

  If the analytics are anything to go by ninety percent of the traffic comes from people. During work hours at work. [TS]

  Procrastinating. This is where the whole You Tube economy is built on. But the pod cast. [TS]

  They go out in the world and people are doing different things and. I mean I was taking a look at our at our analytics. [TS]

  The other day and we can roughly say that that we might have like a quarter million downloads an episode now. [TS]

  Pod cast analytics are always crazy but I think that's that's fair to say and that's what the episodes get. [TS]

  And so this is like the whole realm of human experience is potentially out there. [TS]

  Happening when people are listening to the show just because the numbers are are that big. [TS]

  You know and so you know to so you're not a surprise. [TS]

  As I would have thought but that's because you're a smart guy and you've already thought of her. I'm not surprised. [TS]

  But it's a little weird to get confirmation of a thing that has crossed my mind. I mean here's the morbid part of it. [TS]

  Has someone died listening to the podcast in a car crash Liz you're not going to hear from them. [TS]

  But just dotted all just don't you don't take this responsibility too seriously Brady. [TS]

  But we might very well have been the last. Two human voices that someone heard. It just chilled me thinking about that. [TS]

  Wow you've really gone with this one great noble you're quite dismissive [TS]

  or you for one it's just it's been on my mind it's been on my mind in a way that I find on settling. [TS]

  But so let's hear the details of this. Before I give you the details of this car crash. [TS]

  One of the other times it's not as dramatic but it's always a reminder that the audience is reasonably large. [TS]

  Is that every time any podcast comes up some a move tweet or send a message saying oh this is brilliant. [TS]

  It's like you put it up for my birth that's my birth I said there's a new podcast out. [TS]

  And then ten minutes later someone else doesn't and ten minutes later someone else does [TS]

  and there's all these papers saying oh wow it's my first time in his new podcast [TS]

  and you begin to think oh wow what a lucky coincidence. And then. [TS]

  So I actually that's not very surprising if this is where I'm a terrible human being because every time I see one of [TS]

  those comments on the Read it or on Twitter. Again. [TS]

  I'll hit reply and then I'll always think why you're going to reply [TS]

  and say the thing that you're going to say just close the reply box there's no point to saying this because I always [TS]

  want to just say you know we didn't make it for you right. Happy birthday. But it's not for you. [TS]

  There's no reason to say that that person knows that you know they know it yeah [TS]

  but I just I have this literal response every time I see those kind of government that I feel like I want to correct [TS]

  the person like I'm happy this is a nice coincidence for you but it wasn't for you buddy. It's just your birthday. [TS]

  It is a well there's about seven hundred other people whose birthday is also listening to the podcast. [TS]

  Happy birthday to everybody who had birthday it is today. Happy birthday to you whenever you're listening to a cry. [TS]

  Don't tweak Ray Cellette me tell you that this character Ash. This is Nicholas. He's in I hired. He's a grad student. [TS]

  Brady brackets and gray. I love how you're always that brackets. [TS]

  You won't believe this but I was listening to your pod cast. And I was one hour and ten minutes in. [TS]

  In some diversion about a guy getting three being in a car crash. When I myself was in a car crash. [TS]

  A lady was coming the opposite direction from a took a left turn and head shape. [TS]

  Across the incoming lines and right in front of my hunter accord. Thankfully no one was hurt. [TS]

  I thought you might not believe this crap. So I emailed back. Nicholas and I said. Can you send me a bit more evidence. [TS]

  And I tell you. Up. Nicholas to live with the goods. [TS]

  Because he came back to me with multiple pictures of the crash saying the police report number. [TS]

  And the card given to him by the police officer. [TS]

  The name and badge number of the police officer who attended this his insurance claim for number [TS]

  and a copy of the insurance claim. [TS]

  And he then also proceeded to go into incredible detail trying to recount exactly what part of the podcast he was that [TS]

  with the crash. And he was telling me about how. [TS]

  When I was putting the rubbish our member you talking about this [TS]

  and I specifically remember as I was driving down this road. [TS]

  You were talking about that Reddit user code as Oxiana and like he went through. Oh I think it's the Rio do. [TS]

  I like this guy. The only way this could be more confirmed is if he had sent you dash cam footage of the accident. [TS]

  With audio where you could hear on the speaker system. Us. [TS]

  Happily chatting about a car crash while a car crash happened. The only way this could possibly be more confirmed. [TS]

  I mean this is more confirmed than the fighter jet God. [TS]

  He could have sent us like a copy of that day's paper like stained with his blood and that of the victim. Anyway. [TS]

  So there you go an act an actual car crash while listening to the podcast [TS]

  and listening to the start of the section about car crashes. It was just starting as as his crash happened. Matter. [TS]

  I mean it is that. Well no it wasn't bad because no one was hurt and it wasn't his fault. Drive safely people. [TS]

  Here's one other. What people do while listening. This comes from failure. Say is fifteen. [TS]

  And her dad Richard is forty eight. Hi. My father about enthusiastic listeners to hello internet. In fact. [TS]

  If that isn't together grey to that mean we're only getting one down light. To this news. Yes that does mean that. [TS]

  That's with no. Not the only ones doing anything wrong come just don't just think you know I'm thinking about stats. [TS]

  I always think that when someone sends me a photo of a classroom. [TS]

  Watching my videos I think that's thirty views counted as one. [TS]

  Yes all of them had watched it you would be up one one thousandth of the set for a long time his joked about being [TS]

  similar to gray. Very organized. Physics teacher who does it for the long holidays. [TS]

  Loves after are more of a Brady file. Nice use a file that. It's good that's good I look after the family dogs. [TS]

  I love astronomy. Especially your take sky videos. [TS]

  Public Service Broadcasting has suddenly become my favorite band recently. Inspired by the pod cast. [TS]

  We started doing our own family white last competition. Seeing as we are the healthiest part of this includes running. [TS]

  While listening to the podcast. I am currently winning. [TS]

  Thank you for a thank you for a brilliant and entertaining podcast. And I thought that lovely message from failure. [TS]

  Would be a nice lady into. The bi weekly Wayne. [TS]

  You don't sound happy Brady haven't already I actually know it is why I haven't my white hasn't changed. [TS]

  I did way myself this morning I just remembered you are like me last week with a with a null change. [TS]

  Now you have a spoiler though you already know the answer to how much I lost don't you know a time. I am following. [TS]

  Great book from one of my accounts but I haven't looked at that account [TS]

  and the last at the right time to see what's going on well Brady you will never look at that account at the right time [TS]

  because I wake up at times you don't believe exists. So normally I am way myself. [TS]

  Looking at the track record here usually somewhere around like six forty five in the morning. [TS]

  So I think that misses you by many hours. I sometimes get up to let Odrick for away at that time. [TS]

  So maybe a little out how to go right back to bed I'll check. Like I don't have it for that yet I don't check Twitter. [TS]

  Don't check Twitter just cope active. So this week. I am down four point four pounds Wow. [TS]

  And it hasn't even been to wakes. Yeah it's two kilograms for the metrically minded. [TS]

  It is the eggs were recording this recently after the last part kind of went up [TS]

  but one two three four five six seven eight nine ten. [TS]

  It's been ten days since the last measurements cry that's brilliant you smashed up my. It's gone pretty well. [TS]

  Turns out. When you feel like a bunch of people are watching you. You change your behavior. [TS]

  Now I am not willing to categorize this as an unmitigated win. Because I mean even five pounds of people's weight. [TS]

  Can fluctuate between five pounds. Yes. [TS]

  It is not like losing fifteen pounds we feel like OK I've definitely done something and. [TS]

  I know from personal experience that this range. That I am moving between. [TS]

  Which is about impound is about to tend to fifteen like. This is always the range. In which I normally. Yeah. Bounce. [TS]

  So I don't feel incredibly confident about this yet. But if you're like OK this is. This is in the good. [TS]

  This isn't a good direction. Well I mean for all we know just before the when you went and did a giant post. Well. [TS]

  I'm stalling here because I'm thinking like how much detail should we go with I'm just staying silent because I want to [TS]

  see what you say. Yeah. You know at that you have to keep about it. [TS]

  I guess we might we might as well go into the details but yes the. There was my brain for thing out for a moment. [TS]

  Seriously don't go into details if that was a joke I don't want to know [TS]

  when you did what we can just say that I have no food. Before weighing room. [TS]

  I decided to write from the beginning that. I basically get up and. I weigh myself. [TS]

  That there's there's no trying to mess with the numbers by. I like a you rely on Corey about it look you're like. [TS]

  Look I don't want to go into any details but let me just say I have no proof before way and row. [TS]

  Which is pretty much over data. I guess that is. But with the stuff you have to be consistent. [TS]

  You have to be consistent. Yeah. And you know. [TS]

  You can always deliver on on those kind of expectations so I figure this is the more consistent approach is just get up. [TS]

  Just way. And I'm hoping that that keeps down. Daily fluctuations. [TS]

  But even even the data that I have you're like you can see there is there is if you're weighing yourself every day [TS]

  there's up and down fluctuations. So that's why is the trend line is the trend line that matters. [TS]

  Yeah but the only comment that I really want to have on this was. [TS]

  It has been an interesting ten days because I have been very strictly following my plan for food. [TS]

  Which is basically a limb in aiding carbohydrates in the form of things like pasta and bread so we're cereals [TS]

  or anything like that and. Mainly focusing on on eating more things. [TS]

  More proteins like eggs and tuna and also things like salads and stuff. And in the past when I have done this stuff. [TS]

  I have almost always failed. Relatively quickly. Because I find myself in this really low energy state of like oh OK. [TS]

  My body is unhappy now with this sudden change. Why is there no ice cream to eat smaller watching T.V. [TS]

  I go this is disappointing. That's what my stomach is thinking. And so I have found that the great Twitter help. [TS]

  Health but has been helpful in not breaking the food rules here. So that is where it has been useful for me. [TS]

  But again I don't I'm not counting on that working long term I just think it's interesting that this is been a long [TS]

  stretch where I have been completely consistent. [TS]

  Without a doubt if this is made me think of the lightbulbs conversation we had way back at the beginning of the pod [TS]

  cast. About how there are these four dials in your life. Which are health. Friends. Work and family you know. [TS]

  I have been so where that. While this has been a very conscious. Turning up. [TS]

  Of the health light bulb the work light bulb has gone way down I can just sense that. [TS]

  I am so much low energy I have gotten. So no little done in the past ten days compared to what I normally do. [TS]

  And it is eight ages I feel like this is just this reconfirmation that OK maybe I'll eventually readjust. [TS]

  And kind of get back to a regular level. But for the moment when things are different. [TS]

  And I'm finding myself having to concentrate on the fact that things are different. [TS]

  That I can't just mindlessly grab whatever I want to eat. [TS]

  It's like well there's always the cost of the stuff and the cost is work. [TS]

  That work has gone way down so I feel like I have been relatively unproductive these past ten days but for the moment. [TS]

  I'm willing to make that trade off with health. Versus work. Because the energy you gotta come from somewhere. [TS]

  Great if you listen. If your side lacking in energy that it's affecting your way. [TS]

  I would argue that you're not being particularly healthy. [TS]

  But yes basically stuffing yourself so you can lose what I know I'm not starving I'm not starving because I mean you [TS]

  should have enough energy to work. I'm not a big fan of following. [TS]

  Particular things or particular schedules [TS]

  but roughly speaking I'm doing some kind of version of what's called slow carb or Akido. Which is are these diets and. [TS]

  Reading through them. I found that it is very common that people describe. [TS]

  Feeling this kind of effort to sing like slow carb flu. [TS]

  Where you just feel really really low energy as your body chemistry is readjusting that this is just kind of normal for [TS]

  people. But the whole point of these diets. Is that you're not depriving yourself of amounts of food. [TS]

  Like you can eat as much as you want as long as you're not eating pastas and breads. [TS]

  And so at no point in this time have I felt hungry. A gift. There's plenty of things that I. You eat. [TS]

  So it is definitely not a starving myself thing. But it is a. Just a feeling like a low low energy. Thing. [TS]

  But I'm not interested in in starving I know I'm not I'm not about housing. [TS]

  Suggesting that you're doing something you know silly. [TS]

  But I'm just saying you should have enough energy to work and I think if your dog is not. [TS]

  Is making you feel low energy and is affecting your day to day life then. [TS]

  I don't think you doing or are you are saying that I'm not working. [TS]

  Which is not the case well I'm just saying I'm working at maybe fifty percent capacity. [TS]

  There's a big difference between if the diet was so severe that all I was doing was laying around incapable of think at [TS]

  all because like. Yeah. [TS]

  I would agree Brady that turning the health light bulb to one hundred percent [TS]

  and turning everything else down to zero is not a good decision. Right no matter how much you want to get healthy. [TS]

  But I'm just saying that the health light bulb is out like fifty percent work light bulb is twenty five percent. [TS]

  And family and friends are getting the rest of what's left over well that's where I am right well I'm sighing [TS]

  and I'm sounding like my wife again here but what I'm saying is is obviously what you're doing is not sustainable. [TS]

  And what you should be doing is implementing a health and diet regime. [TS]

  That is sustainable for the rest of your life that has yet bucko white you're happy with and the level of health. [TS]

  You're happy with and an energy level you're happy with. And if you're that trading off here and doing. [TS]

  Sort of horse trading in thinking I'm not going to work very well for the next.. [TS]

  He wakes because I want to get to white. X. That's not a V.C. [TS]

  That's not sustainable [TS]

  and fair enough if you want to implement something that's not sustainable that's a perfectly legitimate thing to [TS]

  and there are reasons to. It's like you don't believe in transition costs Brady. [TS]

  We find these conversations really interesting with you. If this feeling of being low energy. Continues indefinitely. [TS]

  Then I would totally adjust the way I'm doing things. [TS]

  However I'm willing to undergo the assumption that the first time I am doing something that the first several weeks of [TS]

  doing that thing. [TS]

  Might be harder than normal [TS]

  and might require taking energy from other places have a GREAT THIS IS THE like your modus operandi and it's mind her. [TS]

  So I'm the same as a so this is a criticism of NATO. [TS]

  You know you can use your fancy terms and talk to me about trade of course and things like that. [TS]

  But what you're doing with your white is what you do with other things in your life. [TS]

  And that is he bade your Been juror you take it really easy for two or three weeks. [TS]

  And then you like don't sleep for four days to put a video. And this is. [TS]

  This is the way you work and now you to an exact same thing with your health. You're like a binge. Thing healthy. [TS]

  And what you probably should be thinking about. [TS]

  And what I should be thinking about I'm constantly told think of as well is just implementing an overall plan. [TS]

  That doesn't require three weeks of seventy five percent lot Bob followed by two weeks of eight percent light bulb [TS]

  and nine percent light bulb and then. Three days of crazy work and then five days a video games. [TS]

  You should just have like a balance where all your lot bobs is humming away. [TS]

  At the level they should be humming at and not be constantly switching one up for blast. [TS]

  And then switching one down and. You know I'm a crazy. I don't think you're crazy. [TS]

  I don't remember our lightbulb conversation. Well enough to years on now for whenever we had it. [TS]

  But I feel like we're revisiting the same thing where your notion is like oh just make every lightbulb right. [TS]

  And my feeling is that's not possible or no no no no not make them. Brought make them decide what they're going to pay. [TS]

  Make them all twenty five percent. [TS]

  No and there can be minor tweaking but what I'm saying is you practically you turn a broad up [TS]

  and write down I think you fluctuate too much. [TS]

  When you put video at do you not do two or three days of just crazy work. Working these kind of twenty hour days. [TS]

  To put a video and then use and then you stop and have a couple of days off. Is that not binge behavior. [TS]

  I totally agree with you that when I put the video out. [TS]

  I usually have two to four depending on the length of the video days of nonstop work. That definitely happens. [TS]

  But this is his I just feel like you then you then assume that it means oh I've done nothing for three weeks. [TS]

  And it all happened in the last couple of weeks that we have talked many times about how that's a particular phase. [TS]

  That I actually think happens faster. In this mode. But it's not as though. [TS]

  I'm sitting around going like all family and friends. [TS]

  They get all my time and attention for three weeks [TS]

  and then I like Oh she has a video like let me turn the dial to one hundred percent for work [TS]

  and they're like Oh crap now I just need one hundred percent relaxation time is not MY the experience the experience of [TS]

  my life there are definitely bursts where I work more but you know up. What I think it is. [TS]

  I actually think it is what you do that I know I can't know it because like I haven't got security cameras in your [TS]

  house. But. But the. But the growing body of evidence. I get is you say. It's balanced. And I say. I don't believe you. [TS]

  I didn't you can't you're putting words in my mouth. I don't say that it's balanced. [TS]

  Your proposition here is that the knobs swing. There one hundred percent. [TS]

  And everything else is zero or there nothing care when I know nothing. When it's an animation weekend. [TS]

  Without a doubt the work is out of balance. [TS]

  And this is a thing that I am constantly trying to fight against and claw back. [TS]

  But overall like a king I'm very happy with the relative balances in my life. [TS]

  And it's just that the health thing has reached a tipping point where it's like OK this really really super needs to [TS]

  happen dude. Like you need to fix this. [TS]

  And so I'm dedicating more attention to that [TS]

  and willing to accept the tradeoff that it means that my work out that will be less. [TS]

  It seems all very reasonable to me Brady. When you say in measured times and science reasonable. [TS]

  It sounds ration of though doesn't it though. But I think the reality is different. Look a. [TS]

  You know you go you go away for five weeks lot of people have all that ice [TS]

  but you just like say I'm going I five weeks and not working five wakes and I'm having this fellow period [TS]

  and then I'm going to go and do this and. Well again. I have to stop you right there. [TS]

  Because yes I did have a six week vacation. Over the summer. But during that vacation. I didn't work on any videos. [TS]

  But I still put out a pod cast while I was on holiday. [TS]

  Like it's not as though there's nothing happening there with the cortex every week during that holiday [TS]

  and then we did two hello internet we did. Right so that's eight pod cast over the six week period. [TS]

  Don't you paint your story of D.G.P. Gray. [TS]

  Sitting on a beach in Hawaii doing nothing for six weeks [TS]

  and then suddenly remember like oh maybe I need to do something. This is a few G.P. Gray in your mind. [TS]

  It's not the three G. Gray that I am. [TS]

  And you and you absolutely refute my accusation that you exhibit some binge behavior. [TS]

  I already agreed with you that I exhibit been dry here in animation weekends before videos go I can without I without a [TS]

  doubt. I completely agree with you there. Well whatever whatever. You've done well that's that's. [TS]

  That is like fluctuations and I fluctuations [TS]

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  Hello internets. I ready for the next bit. OK. Sorry. We had an adventure. We did. We had a real life field trip and. [TS]

  Because we are men of action. And professional. Yes How how does not know that sort of stuff. [TS]

  We didn't just go and have that venture which we took recording equipment. [TS]

  Say that the listeners could share a few snippets of while we talk about it. Well here's the first I K. [TS]

  So I've picked crap from the trying station and we've driven to the town of Western super Mare. On the Bristol Channel. [TS]

  We're looking across the Bristol Channel at the moment towards whilst over the say on up with Wells. [TS]

  That's why was I will be over there. I did not know. You can see Cardiff is like the big city. [TS]

  Not that we're in a movie. Anyway. Oh it's hard to find over there yet in the building Yeah that's part of the Wales. [TS]

  Anyway. But we're not here because a while we're distracted already whereas the usual secular ready. [TS]

  So how have you trying trip from London. It is very good very nice trip up. [TS]

  You know feeling uncomfortable being out of the big city. [TS]

  Not feeling uncomfortable although your wife I or the Internet is absolutely terrible. Up here. [TS]

  I notice the further I get from London. [TS]

  The worse my cell connection gets This is how I think of all the things that's always my thinking a train trip. [TS]

  There are apologies about that. So polish eyes. [TS]

  We haven't we haven't had a good look at Disneyland yet which is that destination it's just over there in the distance [TS]

  but how did you were describe the weather for papal suitably dismal. It is suitably dismal. It is very cloudy overhead. [TS]

  Very windy. We are at the edge of this to me extraordinarily shallow beach. [TS]

  Which looks very brown hand dismal today the water. Though yes everything is appropriate for the setting of Disneyland. [TS]

  Was the story here. We went to dismal land. Dismal land. I was a dismal. Dismal last night. [TS]

  He has you said it's probably more correct. Dismal last dismal and. But then fly did he lose the word dismal. [TS]

  When you sat I saw say dismal land. OK. Well they should have written it differently. [TS]

  If they want to people to pronounce it differently. It looks like Disneyland to me. But it is a Banksy art exhibition. [TS]

  Sort of kind of theme park. It's a it's a difficult thing to describe. [TS]

  Is it still actually there while recording this in the doorway recording it is but by the time this podcast goes out. [TS]

  It probably will have ended. [TS]

  I think it was five wakes should explain who Banksy is what you think everyone knows he Banksy is I don't know how to [TS]

  explain Banksy well. [TS]

  And I'm also not super familiar with him I think you have a much better sense of who he is so why don't you explain who [TS]

  Banksy is. Well Banksy is from Bristow he's hometown. [TS]

  Hometown guy from Aina man he is a street artist he sort of got his start doing. [TS]

  Well Cafe T basically but very witty clever and artistically clever. Graffiti and he just became a bit of a phenomenon. [TS]

  And now it's something of yours gets bank safe. If the front wall of your house gets a bank secrecy tiara. [TS]

  Pretty much what you took the first thing you do is put up a huge protective things are no one can touch it [TS]

  and then you sell that well for a million dollars. Because anything backseat. Touches A does is now. [TS]

  Highly sought after in the community. But he sort of has transcended just going and putting paintings on walls now. [TS]

  And he does. He does various exhibits and installations and cure rates things and but he's he's anonymous no one knows. [TS]

  Well. [TS]

  A lot of people actually didn't he is [TS]

  but technically no one knows who he is what he looks like he sort of anonymous figure. He has quite a striking. Style. [TS]

  Yeah. [TS]

  One of the things that was going around in London for a while was was spray painting these rats in various locations [TS]

  doing various things all over the city. So Londoners might be familiar with having seen them all over the place and. [TS]

  One of my favorite things that he did. Mainly because I get to enjoy the benefits of it now. [TS]

  There's a building in London which is called the National Theatre. [TS]

  Which is done in what's called a brutalist style which is exactly what it sounds like big sheets of concrete. [TS]

  Everywhere. Kind of an ugly building and he one night spray painted in gigantic little letters. Boring across. [TS]

  One of the very visible sides of this building it's on the South Bank so everybody can see it. [TS]

  Which I think was a little embarrassing for the theater. And ever since then. [TS]

  What they've done is they now have this route heating colored lights. That display all over the building at night time. [TS]

  And so every time I see it on the South Bank I think Oh thank you. Banksy. You have improved the skyline. [TS]

  By embarrassing this building into trying to live in themselves up at night. [TS]

  Today washboard enough that they wouldn't I presume they did. [TS]

  No one put up a big piece of glass over the boring and thought oh let's preserve this rather now. [TS]

  They got rid of that very fast and then I think. Tried to protect themselves from further. [TS]

  Further bank the as Asian say Americans also might be vaguely familiar with him now. [TS]

  He's actually very big in America now. [TS]

  He went and did a sort of a a residency for lack of a better word in New York [TS]

  and basically blitzed New York for a month and every day some new piece of slash creepy T. Slash would have you cola. [TS]

  Was appearing the morose in New York and that caused bit of a stir becoming back to dismal and. [TS]

  Basically there's a there's a seaside town that we were talking about in the little clip People just heard. [TS]

  It's just outside super Mare. Weston super Mare that just outside. Bristow. [TS]

  And it's sort of one of these towns you get around Britain. [TS]

  Still is a real holiday destination but more sort of a faded. Glory seaside town. Why now. [TS]

  Are really fond of and I live quite close to it. I go there what the docks. Sometimes. [TS]

  And one of the things on the seafront there is a form a. [TS]

  Lyda form a sort of outdoor swimming complex that has been shut down the years in years [TS]

  and it's such a desolate place [TS]

  and forever they've been talking about what's going to happen to this place so they're going to knock down is someone [TS]

  going to buy. Is going to get turned into anything because it was just a derelict building right well yeah. Sort of a. [TS]

  But not so much a building because it's quite open because it was a swimming pool and stuff [TS]

  but it has buildings to it in a big facade and. There was four walls around a former swimming space. [TS]

  Yet in some and somewhere that is the Fed scription. So anyway. About five weeks ago. [TS]

  It was just suddenly announced the sort of the dietary before I predicted lake that onion licked a couple of days [TS]

  before opened. It was revealed to that Banksy had put together. This sort of exhibition. [TS]

  Performance art whatever you want to COLA. In this. [TS]

  And it was opening in a few days and people could stop buying tickets. [TS]

  Tickets are really sought after and people came from around the world and everyone wanted to say it. [TS]

  So we went along to it. Yes. I actually went the diet first opened. [TS]

  Because because of some people are know I was able to get to get in [TS]

  and see it in your amazing contact my mazing contacts Yeah you know and I'm even circles. Such as I had been before. [TS]

  It was known to me and I've posted pictures of it [TS]

  and you probably saw me talk about on Twitter if you're one of the sort of people and. [TS]

  I was really came for great come [TS]

  and say how because I just want to ominous know it's a given I thought if we could for the podcast. So we went along. [TS]

  There was a massive key as there is every day. But we go in X. Here's another clip here's a clip.. [TS]

  After we first gone in and we're inside. It's our first impression. OK. I'm not going to lie. We skip the Q. [TS]

  We use that influence in context to get in a way we refer through the door [TS]

  and grazed his head his first side of dismal and he's looking at it now. Grey first impressions. [TS]

  This is very interesting. Interesting looking place in a very run down looking. There's a broken. Disney Palace. Style. [TS]

  Thing in front of us. If place scary looking. Ride or to a police van. That is stuck in the middle of a pond. [TS]

  It is quite the thing to look at when you first come in but where you were you feeling the force. [TS]

  The castle I want to go right to the castle that's like central thing. [TS]

  Let's look at that the to do so they excel there you go where inside and before we go to this castle. [TS]

  That you may have heard Gray mention. [TS]

  I think we need to better explain what this place is growing get a better idea of your first impression now that you [TS]

  had more time to mull over. How would you explain what does Melendez to someone. [TS]

  It's very hard to explain a few people have asked me about it since i was time that I went and. [TS]

  I mean I've said that it's like an anti Disneyland. But that doesn't really capture it's. [TS]

  It's designed to feel like a depressing Disneyland. Maybe is the best way to put it that the things are run down. [TS]

  When you walk on the inside and there's a castle that I mention in in that clip. [TS]

  The castle looks really broken and run down and. [TS]

  Everything looks just kind of awful like there is there's posters up everywhere that are torn to pieces. [TS]

  It's deliberately crappy. But it still has that theme park. [TS]

  Feel to it completely you know when you know when you're standing in a theme park [TS]

  and you think oh there's things around for me to look at and things to do. [TS]

  And background music in town no announcements [TS]

  and all those sort of things you associate with the famed Yeah so it creates this feeling of conflict where every other [TS]

  experience you've ever had an environment like this is IOW are at the county fair [TS]

  and we're going to check out all these fun things or oh you know your Coney Island [TS]

  or we're going to do all of this stuff. [TS]

  But here it's like oh yes there are many things for you to do all of them are kind of terrible. Or an enjoyable. [TS]

  In some way or super depressing. So that is dismal land. I would say. It is like. [TS]

  It's kind of like an anti same popular parody of a same pack all of the well it's crappiest same pop fifty percent. [TS]

  But the other fifty percent I think is more. A parody in a commentary also on kind of British seaside. And newsman. [TS]

  Parks and museums. Attractions. So part of it is an obvious poke at Disney. [TS]

  Like the big castle with a big crappy car so obviously looks like the Disney castle but falling to pieces [TS]

  and scorched and terrible and. [TS]

  You see people with Mickey Mouse ears and things like that [TS]

  but there's also you know all the staff of Mickey Mouse ears on yet. But there's also a real parity of just general. [TS]

  U.K. A seaside. An easement parks or a few jokes that I think a more I and find that. [TS]

  Yes See this is lost on me because I don't I don't have any experience of that yeah you're asking me if I'm deeply [TS]

  familiar with bridge seaside towns and. I've been to Bristol. [TS]

  Which is doesn't really count in the eyes of many English people [TS]

  but is is one of my few forays outside the walls of London in Brighton. Into. [TS]

  Yeah those are the uprightness what I meant. Yeah. See. I don't even know. Yeah you know. [TS]

  Because like the first whatever call the seaside temple. Brian Brian you would. Yeah. Thought had London. [TS]

  And then there's not London. That the you know. So anyway. [TS]

  So anyway and [TS]

  but there's also a lot of quite sort of biting political satire in our show we go into the castle that gets to a great [TS]

  we were the first thing we did was walk over this moat which is a really terrible muddy moat with rappers [TS]

  and is the saddest looking thing you've ever say. [TS]

  Into this castle [TS]

  and we were the first people of the day to walk into the car so because we were first people through the door. [TS]

  We went inside and. Well here is another snippet. Come inside the castle with us. Gray. [TS]

  What are you looking at the moment. If you like one of the grimmest things I have ever seen. It is. [TS]

  It's a big statue that Cinderella. In her pumpkin carriage that's been in a car accident. [TS]

  Cinderella is leaning out and she's dead. And there are statues of the paparazzi taking tons of pictures of her. [TS]

  It is really really depressing. Legitimately depressing. [TS]

  And I had to show a guy a good time to this or is just quite an introduction. This really set the stage. [TS]

  In some ways and was maximum a motional impacts. Because it's like Oh was this interesting thing. [TS]

  And I picked the most depressing thing to explore first just called to me and. Yes this. [TS]

  This piece of art which is this Cinderella carriage overturned with the paparazzi is just awful. [TS]

  It is just absolutely awful. [TS]

  But awful because it fits in perfectly with all of my preconceptions about what is the news like [TS]

  or what are industries that surround the news. [TS]

  Like it was just it was just a homerun on the emotional meter for like like just hit in the perfect way to really get [TS]

  to me. It was a perfect sort of merger of. I'm in the obvious Princess Diana. Saying and. [TS]

  And the Disney imagery and I kind of marry them together. It sort of set everything they wanted to say in just one. [TS]

  One piece of a a lot of the art installations at this price by the way by Banksy himself. [TS]

  He sort of his curated a lot of A. [TS]

  I'm not sure if that one's him I think someone else might have done that but it was a it. [TS]

  I was surprised by how affected you were his name because I'm hot as night was I kind of look at that age thing that [TS]

  you've done that it's very clever. But you genuinely same defect. [TS]

  Yeah well like I said it this just hits all of the right buttons and to me is like. Yeah. [TS]

  Of course you know I get tragic things happens. [TS]

  And there's a whole industry around exploiting tragic things for profit. And it's just. [TS]

  It was also this because it's a bit of a surprise. [TS]

  Like I just don't have any idea what to expect and so [TS]

  when you just hear the description of the thing it's like a day [TS]

  and I have a little video clip of it I'll put somewhere that you can see and if you just look at it as a OK well. [TS]

  Whatever. But it's a different experience to come a couple. [TS]

  To come upon a thing by surprise when you don't know what it is the bit like spoiler alert. [TS]

  Right you have a different experience of the thing [TS]

  when you don't know what it is in advance because you go in it's completely ducking you have no I have no idea what's [TS]

  coming. And then you sort of say the flashing law. [TS]

  And you sort of walk or you start off behind and you walk around to the front of and then you confronted by the. [TS]

  The dead princess and the snapping cameras and. [TS]

  Yeah it's very well done because you can see the paparazzi [TS]

  but where the way you enter you don't have an appreciation for what the thing is. Until you walk around it. [TS]

  And I think that that's part of the reason it's affective is because like oh you're curious to what is this thing that [TS]

  all these photographers are taking pictures of and then you took come around the corner and like oh. [TS]

  Now I feel bad for being curious that. That's the way they have it set up. [TS]

  And they also take your picture before you walk into this are to give it a not you know use together don't you let you [TS]

  in I would you not I said I opposed to gether we put our arms around each other [TS]

  and did oppose like i told us not knowing what was going on they say oh look at the side and smile. [TS]

  And it's like OK well that's kind of weird I guess they want us to take an ironic picture we're not looking at the [TS]

  camera. Whatever. And then sort of forget about that but when you leave the castle. [TS]

  They then do a photoshop thing where they have the picture of the piece of artwork. [TS]

  The paparazzi and they put you in the back. [TS]

  Looking like you're leaning over the pop Razzi and smiling at this dead Prince. You know thanks. Thanks Disneyland. [TS]

  Hope a delightful souvenir. You bought one. There was so well done as I want to remember the things that I bought one. [TS]

  Probably took a picture of it so that I would actually have a copy that I would care about [TS]

  and then lost the original some point you know. Should give it to me out of luck to. [TS]

  I did lose it on purpose I just like. It just disappeared. I actually think it's in your car somewhere. [TS]

  OK I'll have a look. [TS]

  So anyway I after that horrible stuff we buy sickly started doing the rounds and looked over the exhibit some in this. [TS]

  I don't know what to start talking about the thing that surprised me most. [TS]

  When I went there was how much stuff was there and how dense it was I was so much to say in look at [TS]

  and so many things that got you thinking a guy is laughing oh goody horrified. [TS]

  Were there any things you particular want to bring up. [TS]

  I was a little bit worried about you being there and having been there before. [TS]

  Because I thought you just going to be bored [TS]

  and you're basically babysitting me on this day as I walk around from thing to thing. But yes. It's super dense. [TS]

  The thing is. Everything has been constructed. [TS]

  All of the posters up on the wall is like hundreds of posters big posters tiny posters. [TS]

  They've all been put there [TS]

  and so even if you were to try to say read everything that's around it would take you the whole day to read everything [TS]

  is just so much stuff. That is there. [TS]

  So this introduction to Disneyland with the dead princess was was quite the thing. [TS]

  But then the rest of it is like oh OK this is much more like. As we're moving from place to place. [TS]

  It's individual art exhibits that are put on by different artists. [TS]

  They're all they all have a similar theme it all has the same feeling of depressing. [TS]

  This or like photo friendliness that's even more depressing. [TS]

  Or just weird they get it all fits together is pieces but you could feel that OK some of this. [TS]

  They're done by different artists. And they're they're trying to get different kind of reactions. Out of you. [TS]

  But the others. There's just there's just a ton of stuff. [TS]

  It was hard to react to on the day I almost felt a little bit like when when we [TS]

  when we left I was on has really overwhelmed by the whole day. [TS]

  As I know there's just so many things to look at and so many things to see. We were originally actually thinking of. [TS]

  We're doing something right after at your house and talking about it [TS]

  but I felt like I can't talk about it like there's just too much. And I feel like I need to process. [TS]

  Some of this stuff for later. One of the things that are really noticed particularly the first time I went. [TS]

  Not as much the second time but still very much. Was the how many people were taking photos of everything. [TS]

  I was really struck look at one point I remember walking around in that be like you know a hundred people [TS]

  or Emina felt like every single one of them was looking at of oath through their black rectangle. [TS]

  Taking taking photos it was a real interesting. [TS]

  Maybe I'm less used to that because normally galleries you're not supposed to take pictures [TS]

  but obviously photos of you can do whatever you want to the slice. [TS]

  I was amazed by how many people were just like running around snapping everything they could and maybe not stopping [TS]

  and looking at stuff and. And I was very guilty of that too to be honest. [TS]

  But that was one of the things that really struck me from my day there was how much people really came just to go crazy [TS]

  photographing everything. Oh yeah. And yeah we both took a bunch of pictures of things. [TS]

  Some of which I put in the show notes for people to see and. You can't not. [TS]

  But yes it does it does have a strange feeling of. [TS]

  This is sort of an art gallery so I feel like I'm just supposed to take pictures [TS]

  but it just also a crappy amusement park. And so you're allowed to take pictures of absolutely everything. [TS]

  You can just run around and do whatever you want. I don't know if one of his own. [TS]

  If this is almost too big to talk about here but it's going to the thing was a bit of this feeling of like. [TS]

  What is art. You know what I mean. Me on that math really looking at stuff and I feel like. [TS]

  What is this experience that I'm having like what is actually going on here. [TS]

  There's a huge number of human hours that had been put into this project. This temporary project and. [TS]

  I'm not exactly sure what is art what's going on here. What's happening. [TS]

  And it's but it sounds like you have a thought that's what do you think artists Brady. [TS]

  Well that's not the sort of the way I was thinking the question but to think of it. And the way does move them worked. [TS]

  I guess that we think about is more than was I don't want to sound alike in a. [TS]

  He fatty about it but I guess where this is very interesting is normally when you look at your there is the view [TS]

  and the art is there to look at or if you go to a theme park. [TS]

  You go as a person you jump into the roller coasters and play the games and throw everything and. [TS]

  Whatever but this is did both didn't. You did interact with a lot of. [TS]

  There was an art gallery off to the side where it was in here was a bit more traditional and where you went [TS]

  and looked at some clever art will talk with that minute promptly. When you're out and about in the outdoors pass. [TS]

  It was weird because you sort of. [TS]

  You didn't know which it was you didn't know whether this was a place for you to sort of. [TS]

  Have fun and interact with it and have amusements or whether [TS]

  or not you were supposed to be thinking like a lot of it was you having the mickey taken out of you with that in some [TS]

  ways without realizing it but one of my favorite little things there [TS]

  and you say some pictures of it because I've you know I'll put some of my pictures up as well. [TS]

  But there was this thing called like a selfie how. And it was just like a war where you could stick your head at right. [TS]

  And then that and there was a separate healthy to put your arm through with your mobile phone. [TS]

  So you could take a selfie. And it's like one of those things where you go to the safe side you put your head through. [TS]

  And there's like a painted body and it's funny because your heads on the painted body. [TS]

  But the whole purpose of this blank what wall was just to take a selfie of yourself and those to. [TS]

  And it just said Sophie how on earth. Yes there is nothing on it. [TS]

  Are there so it was always obviously just a tremendous piss take of acid of Sophie culture. [TS]

  And yet person after person after person including me was learning up there than taking a selfie is right. [TS]

  And it was like Sophie's crap and this is such a cutting clever way of taking the piss out of people who take selfies. [TS]

  And yeah I'm the person standing in it taking the selfie. So it's like you became. [TS]

  In many ways you became part of the art. [TS]

  And that was one of the interesting things about it whether it was deliberate [TS]

  or not that it was so hard to get tickets for this thing. [TS]

  And you had to go on the Internet for hours and hours and sometimes the Internet collapsed and then [TS]

  when you went that you had to queue thousand hours to get in and it was such a miserable experience to get. When. [TS]

  And that was almost a comment on these amusement parks and theme parks itself. [TS]

  Seven was saying Our thanks to he's a genius he's even making getting in dismal. [TS]

  And where are all lining up like lemmings thinking huh. Yes he so clever. [TS]

  Making is do this and we're standing in the laundering it. Like a bunch of idiots. You see that's what. [TS]

  This is exactly the kind of thing where I feel like you get lost in this vortex [TS]

  when you talk about art as because a bit like really though was that really part of the intention. [TS]

  Because there are actually there are the of these like these are glasses that people put on [TS]

  and then they lose their mind and everything seems like it's art. Yet and oh this is art that is art. [TS]

  The very fact that we're talking about the art is art. And now that we're talking about talking about the art. [TS]

  Isn't that also art. You know what you know. At a certain point. It's a line. [TS]

  Right and maybe it worked out really great [TS]

  and retroactively be like oh yes this was intentionally part of the experience. [TS]

  Now maybe it was on purpose maybe it wasn't like I don't know but I don't know it's just like. [TS]

  There's something here that just rubs me the really really the wrong way. Like. Partly I really and. [TS]

  I am very glad that we went to Disneyland. I'm super happy to go up. [TS]

  I really enjoyed the experience of going and seeing this thing I guess interesting thing to do. [TS]

  It's all kinds of new stuff I really like this but I just I've been mulling it over the past few days [TS]

  and just find myself like grumpy about art. Whenever I think about this thing. In in this. In this way. [TS]

  Who are you putting me in a tough position greit against you because I'm an only the one taking your position. [TS]

  Because my wife's really into. And we got an odd galleries and I'm normally the grumpy person sigh. [TS]

  By this I guess not or saying this is ridiculous this is say easy. I could have done this in might a million dollars. [TS]

  And then my wife or I says yeah but you didn't. Yet but the. Yeah but you didn't. IS NOT A is not a counter argument. [TS]

  No Well I don't know it works for her. But I know I know you may need. But because like the art world is just so. [TS]

  Arbitrary. And who happens to be famous or who doesn't happen to be famous famous it. [TS]

  For lots of people is just the vicissitudes of of the social world. [TS]

  And I like what that was the guy we were talking about the one who's there. Dynas Damien Hirst right OK. [TS]

  So this is that this is the guy with his is famous thing where he stuck a shark in a tank of formaldehyde. [TS]

  And he became a famous artist and. He had a few. Other pieces of artwork here. [TS]

  And one point that OK so there was a piece of art that we're looking at. [TS]

  That was a beach ball being blown above a bunch of knives. Michael covering about hovering above them ten. [TS]

  On a on a cushion of a will fall on the knives and of course evidence of course it never does right of course not. [TS]

  And so we're looking at this thing. And this is when you said to me I go I think this is just. [TS]

  This is just taking the piss. That this is this is Damien Hirst not being serious. [TS]

  And he made a little note in my phone at that point which is how would you know. [TS]

  How would you know if any of these pieces of arts are the art is being serious [TS]

  or just making fun of the whole institution of art. There's no way to know. [TS]

  Because in some way like there's nothing here. [TS]

  Like there's no objective miss about this that that's what makes our art is like this subjective interpretation. [TS]

  But also just find that really frustrating in some way of people looking at a piece of our being like. [TS]

  I think this is a. This is Damien Hirst's comment on Damien Hirst's own artwork like oh. Do you. [TS]

  I think this is what Damien Hirst thinks. Heaven is like are you right. Am I right. Guess what. None of us are right. [TS]

  Because we're just talking about things that are in our own mind. And that perfectly fine. [TS]

  Like when I when I was trying to sit down and think about like OK how would I define art. [TS]

  The best I could come up with just walking around an hour ago being frustrated here at. [TS]

  I think of art is like something that is designed to provoke an emotional response in a person. [TS]

  That that's kind of what I came up with for like OK if I have to just rough it here what am I going to say artwork is [TS]

  that that's what I'll say. [TS]

  But that makes it just almost impossible to discuss on any level is just so personal that it feels like conversations [TS]

  between people are almost meaningless. Kingpin can look at a painting. [TS]

  That looks like a white wall of plaster and derive great meaning from it. [TS]

  But everybody else looking at that just think oh it's a boring almost completely white painting. And so I don't know. [TS]

  I don't know where I'm going with this. But I just. [TS]

  There's something here which kind of irritates me if I think about it too much. [TS]

  Want to reiterate a greatly enjoyed going to do. But yeah. This is just I don't know. [TS]

  It's like the grain of sand in my mind that I just irritates me if bothers me. I don't know. [TS]

  I've done some interviews and videos over the years with various people who talk about it. [TS]

  And particularly movies and quite often the talk to me about a modern film. [TS]

  Say The Godfather something you know the talking about the directors trying to do this that trying to make you think of [TS]

  this the trying to get you to think of that and I've spoken to various people about various films [TS]

  and various bits of a. And they're usually academics. [TS]

  And they're very smart people and I have they know these films are these bits of I saw these books back to front. [TS]

  And I'll tell you all sorts of things that I think the artist of the director of the writer is trying to do. [TS]

  And a question I often ask them is. [TS]

  Have you have a phone or contacted the director and ask them what that what they were trying to convey. [TS]

  And seriously they look at me like I just did a poor on a coffee table [TS]

  when I say that like it is like I've suggested the most shocking to boo thing and I always say. Oh no no that you know. [TS]

  They basically say that's not how we do things right. It's if they react. [TS]

  They react in this way because you are fundamentally attacking their livelihood. Right. [TS]

  They might not consciously think about it that way. But you know what you are. [TS]

  Yeah I mean I mean obviously when the artist is dead there's a lot of room for this [TS]

  but quite often with contemporary stuff. If you want to know what an artist of a director and and. [TS]

  This whole thing with that they couldn't reply. [TS]

  It's often the director wants you to interpret it how you want to interpret it. Well OK fair enough. [TS]

  They're entitled to say that but they still must have had something in their head when I made it [TS]

  and that's what I want to find out. Well. I wish I could think off the top of my head of an example. [TS]

  But I know for a fact with my own videos. I have had people leave comments on them. [TS]

  Saying about how how clever This thing is that the G.P. Graded to connect this to that. [TS]

  And I read the comment and I think. I didn't do that on purpose. Like this is just something someone's read into it. [TS]

  But boy that sounds great like I'm going to run with that sure yeah maybe I did this on purpose. [TS]

  But it's not like it wasn't there. [TS]

  And until it really ever finding maining I've got bit of a traditional number far sometimes of. [TS]

  I think of mention to have put of making that you ration is a video. [TS]

  Relevant stuff I'm doing something about pi on that night video three minutes fourteen seconds long. [TS]

  And because I did that a few times. People now to see meaning everywhere. [TS]

  When I had we ever do and people look at a video that our See what you did with us in this time. [TS]

  Usually made a half this number times the square root of this. Plus for our genius I love you always do that and I'm a. [TS]

  If you turned it into numerology here doesn't matter what it is people are always going to be able to look at something [TS]

  and determine our Yes this is obviously numerically connected it's like well guess what you keep combining numbers. [TS]

  You're going to come up with something that's real. [TS]

  And I think that this is the same thing with art with like you know what if you look at something for long enough. [TS]

  People will start telling themselves the story about the thing. And the brilliance of the thing. [TS]

  My feeling of the are is like. What is my initial emotional response to this. And if there is none. [TS]

  Well that I've done this to me. And like a failure at a piece of art work but that doesn't mean that it's a failure. [TS]

  Objective Lee. Because there is no objective here in the higher Lee about the reaction inside the person. [TS]

  And I'm just looking and looking through some of the pictures from the day and. [TS]

  There's one painting that we saw the to talk about and it's vaguely traditional art. [TS]

  Which I thought like oh OK This worked on me. [TS]

  This got a little bit of an emotional response which was I don't remember if you saw but it was off in the corner [TS]

  but it was a a black [TS]

  and white painting of a forest where some lumberjacks had cut down the trees cut down a few of the trees. [TS]

  Everything in the painting is black and white. Except the painter has put blood on the top of the stumps. [TS]

  And one of the trees in the foreground is is cut in half and the blood on the inside of the tree and on the ground. [TS]

  Yeah I thought oh this to me is a successful piece of artwork. I have an emotional reaction to this. [TS]

  And it also makes me think about something in a in a very different way. Now. [TS]

  I don't necessarily agree with what I am imagining is the artist intent. [TS]

  But nonetheless as a piece of artwork it's like OK. Well done artist. You provoked a room. An emotional response. [TS]

  Through some kind of imagery. But I'm sure lots of people could look at that painting and be like now. [TS]

  Than do anything for me. I would say I'm a bit different T. I don't necessarily need an emotional. I mean you know. [TS]

  Like you said who way to say what's good what's on. And we are just as expert. [TS]

  As anyone else's expert in this field I can because there is no expertise to be had it's just a subjective. [TS]

  There is no it's to be had and I admit I haven't got a lot of knowledge. OK. You can be an art history professor. [TS]

  And you can name a lot of people and dates. Yeah. But I just think there isn't. There is no expertise to be. [TS]

  Had in the appreciation of art. Yeah. [TS]

  I think maybe that's one of my fundamental irritations here is people claiming expertise in a field where there is none [TS]

  to be had well when you went to Disneyland was just you and they will hang around [TS]

  and then we left there was no one sitting next to us. [TS]

  Telling us what was good and bad or what to think sort of know why you're you know. [TS]

  And I know you enjoyed the day [TS]

  but I don't know what were you saying this was just people putting a bunch of stuff there. [TS]

  It was like three pounds to go and have a look. Virtually nothing. [TS]

  And you could block it or not like it or laugh or be angry or whatever you could just not think anything [TS]

  or you could just go and have fun and go on the Ferris wheel and so yeah. Trust me. The day the day was very enjoyable. [TS]

  It would have been made. [TS]

  Vastly worse by an expert in art following us around telling us about things under under talking about like the broader. [TS]

  The broader our community here. Let me tell you about the. The to the tests. [TS]

  Plot ops to Saddam or lack of it up now at Disneyland there were always outdoor attractions and Ferris wheels [TS]

  and games and things like that and sang castles and. Look at pictures and you. You say some of the stuff. [TS]

  City interesting to look at after the saw there was this more traditional art gallery with a few sculptures [TS]

  and paintings. And it was in there that. That's the more traditional conventional art. They were to. [TS]

  There are two things in there that I really lot. And they both. [TS]

  Well there were probably about ten things there are a lot but there are two I'll talk about. [TS]

  Because they passed my test for what I consider to be that I really like. Now. And those to Tessa. [TS]

  Could I have thought of that. Could I have had that idea. Likely that I would have had that idea. And if. [TS]

  If it's the end the less likely it is that I would have had that idea. The Mojave I write it. [TS]

  So you know I mean obviously you know I'm a brazen to be smart guy with a. [TS]

  Jain Omas a guy so I could probably think I could have any idea. [TS]

  So I decide the less likely that I would have had the idea. The more impressed I am. And the second is. [TS]

  If I did have that idea. Could I have executed it would I have had the skills or the patients or the time. [TS]

  You know the ability to execute that idea. Successfully. And if and. [TS]

  The less likely that is the more highly I write it. And there are two things in particular that were there. [TS]

  That scored. Reasonably high. One the first one particularly highly. And I wish I had the artist name. [TS]

  I don't I have got the dismal AM program downstairs so it's be unforgivable that I'm not crediting the artist. [TS]

  but to take care of that shared X. I think their name was Tim Tim. That's it. [TS]

  And basically this was someone had the idea that obviously we're looking at frozen food packaging. [TS]

  And then obviously been looking at for a while and obviously unfrozen for packaging the food can look look look good [TS]

  or not look good [TS]

  but I always have little bits of green Ganesh then I quite often they'll have done some frozen were Sanya. [TS]

  And to make it look good on the box will have some little sprig of parsley or something. [TS]

  And what this person did was they took dozens and dozens out [TS]

  and I maybe even hundreds of boxes of frozen third empty boxes. And I like. They cut out all of these bits of Ganesh. [TS]

  I partly cut them out. [TS]

  And then make them sit up off the books I'll append the map of the books like it was a little plot. [TS]

  Growing off the box. And then they put them all into these planter pots. And I made this huge installation. [TS]

  Which looks like a whole bunch of potted plants of little bits of possibly a little bits of grain re crying up out of [TS]

  these parts. But still attached to the frozen food boxes. So you could tell what I will coming off. [TS]

  After that was quite a good idea. Oh yeah. [TS]

  And I thought it was brilliantly executed it looked amazing and I just sat looking at it [TS]

  and so that was one thing I looked at and so up. Could see a out and up call it what you want. [TS]

  I'm impressed by this thing. [TS]

  And like it was one of the things I couldn't wait to show you because I was so look at that Gray. Are like that. [TS]

  You definitely want to show it to me. And this. Even this violates my already flimsy definition of art. [TS]

  Because this didn't invoke any emotional response in me. I just I was clever. I like to look at this thing. [TS]

  So the other one I quite liked. You quite liked as well. And I'm not going to steal your thunder. [TS]

  But let's go to another one of our little audio clips. So that people can hear us talking about about it in situ. [TS]

  So we've been going through kind of the exhibition. [TS]

  Part of dismal and there's like an area off to the sought an art gallery for the paintings and sculptures and things [TS]

  and in a moment we're at this giant Dyer Rama of a of a city with these incredible police presence [TS]

  and there are blue lights flashing everywhere it's kind of. Why would you describe this guy. [TS]

  I was going to shank to buy the fact that there's someone doing graffiti of Maxwell's equations on the little board [TS]

  over here it is very detailed but yes it is like a disco be in rundown. City with police everywhere. [TS]

  You would expected to be model trains this look like a model train set up but there are no trains. [TS]

  There are just police earlier. There is a helicopter up there. I'm assuming it's a police helicopter. [TS]

  It's pretty cold it's it was a little model town. It was a huge moto tab. I was happy to say. [TS]

  I'm looking to figure out why they use the word little it was huge. It was in a big room. It was out of maybe like six. [TS]

  Billiard tables in size roughly from try to think about lining stuff arguing that around that's [TS]

  but that's a probably a good. A good analogy. The ballpark that's within twenty percent. Maybe of the size. [TS]

  But this was just a thing the home really liked the. The setting of the room was really good with the room. [TS]

  Being really dark so all the light was coming from the little town itself. And like a tyrant or basically wasn't there. [TS]

  I spent the most time. Just looking around this thing. And examining all the little details of it this was probably my. [TS]

  Favorite in the sense of most enjoy a ball. Thing in Disneyland. [TS]

  Her favorite in terms of most effective was definitely the dead princess. [TS]

  But in terms of like oh boy I could spend a lot of time looking at this. I enjoy the little town and. [TS]

  What I liked was as. [TS]

  You're looking around it becomes obvious that there's a there's the artist in their mind had some story of what's going [TS]

  on in this town so it's not just police cars everywhere. But as you look around you can see of. OK. [TS]

  There's there's action going on over here but there's guys in radiation suits over here moving mysterious containers. [TS]

  And there's a like a big pit in the ground the police are examining it there's some notion of a thing that is happening. [TS]

  You get the idea like an unusual event has occurred in this town. And all of the police are out in force. [TS]

  And I really liked it. I really liked it quite a lot. [TS]

  Yeah I mean there were like thousands [TS]

  and thousands of police in this town where there are no by see that providing thing is flashing blue lights. [TS]

  So it does that like something a couple of political fanatic It's pretty full on. [TS]

  You did cut back at us us sort of you could have a little bit of schoolboy fascination Didn't you for that one. [TS]

  Oh yeah I could have definitely spent way more time looking at that. [TS]

  It sort of appeal to the sort of try and sit there with her in a so when. [TS]

  Yes it did and we happen to be talking about trains that's on the way up so was a nice nice coincidence for the day. [TS]

  The reason I didn't spend more time looking at brings me to one of my the little bullet points about the day. [TS]

  Which is there was grumpy staff. Assuring us along. This dire Omma Yeah. And all of the staff. Throughout dismal land. [TS]

  Were grumpy staff was deliberately grumpy. Yes this is on purpose. Rude and grumpy. Obviously this was. [TS]

  This was the mandate. [TS]

  This is what they were getting paid for is to be rude and grumpy and disrespectful to everybody who's there. [TS]

  And while I would say the dire I'm a was my favorite thing. At Disneyland. The staff was by far and away. [TS]

  My least favorite thing. At Disneyland. But if we're talking about art. [TS]

  It did provoke a strong emotional response for me. Which was a response of danger. [TS]

  And I meant to mention this to this to you on the day but it just didn't come up that. [TS]

  Every time one of the staff spoke to me about anything. I would for a second. [TS]

  Forget because I'm thinking oh I'm just dealing with a normal human being [TS]

  and then in about one second I realize oh no wait. I'm not dealing with a normal human being I'm dealing with an actor. [TS]

  I'm dealing with someone who is basically wearing a mask. [TS]

  And a mask that gives them permission to do things that are outside of the social norms. [TS]

  And every time one of these people spoke to me. As soon as I remember that. [TS]

  It was like this emotional wall just slammed down in my brain. And all of my hairs stood up on edge. [TS]

  In the way like you are a dangerous person. Because you're like a person wearing a mask. [TS]

  And that makes people dangerous like I'm not really dealing with you. I'm dealing with some artifice. [TS]

  That you have created. [TS]

  And it just made me think of the clowns insert to Soul A which I have the same reaction to of like you are not a person. [TS]

  You are like this dangerous thing with your mask is why just. [TS]

  I kept having these very very negative emotional feelings every time the staff. Spoke to me. It was just. [TS]

  I kept forgetting because they weren't visually. Wearing something like a clown costume or. You know they like. [TS]

  They just look like normal people but every time it was like Oh right you are dangerous. I need to be on the defense. [TS]

  Sieve. Around every single one of you staff. Because you cannot be trusted when you are humans. Acting out a role. [TS]

  You're not humans. Acting as humans. That's funny because I understand what you meant. [TS]

  And there is a huge There is a degree of where is this. But I almost the exact opposite. [TS]

  Like for me that it empowered information makes me feel you're a person I can play with. [TS]

  Because because there are no rules like I can be rude to you [TS]

  or I can make jokes with the I don't have to be careful with you but I get. [TS]

  I get that as a game and I can play this game too so I actually quite enjoyed the banter with them. [TS]

  I enjoyed it not so much less probably less the day we went. [TS]

  But the first day I went I quite enjoyed engaging with them and. And playing the game and. [TS]

  And maybe being rude back or maybe plagued bumbling for Bakken things up so I understand why you would say that [TS]

  but I took something positive from a i i get i would call art but I enjoyed the game I enjoyed. [TS]

  I enjoyed the playfulness. Certainly more than clowns clowns can be a bit weird. Humans in masks are not to be trusted. [TS]

  I guarantee you that if you had a sensor hooked up to me which was an adrenaline surge detector. [TS]

  One second after you a member of staff spoke to me that adrenaline surge. Detector would be going off. [TS]

  Every time without a doubt by the time we left of the quarter. [TS]

  Quite busy had an upgrade when we went there was that we always had the place to ourself and just as we were leaving. [TS]

  That started ramming them in your action to queue up to to see if you things but I think we got pretty lucky. [TS]

  Yeah we were incredibly lucky on the day. And yes by the. By the time we left it was just jam packed with people just. [TS]

  Genuinely genuinely a dismal and. Anyway his I laugh at a bit of audio. I think we're kind of. [TS]

  I think we're pretty much coming to the end of every is that this is probably going to last of a in-situ recordings to [TS]

  get to go with AD deed Howden Alice is to come later. OK so. Thoughts. [TS]

  I'm very glad I came out to see it's very glad I came out to see if the last thing that we saw the little town was my [TS]

  favorites I feel they were leaving on a high. Because we started on one hell of a low with with the car wreck. [TS]

  And the paparazzi. [TS]

  So it was a little town which was like a little mystery about what happened in the town a while the police are there. [TS]

  That's a high I'm happy to leave on. [TS]

  And I'm very glad that I came up to see this and then you believe me into it Brady. [TS]

  Now we're gonna get real Weston super Mare. So they go. [TS]

  We then went to real Weston super Mare did when walked along the pier was all very romantic. Yes. Yes we had a. [TS]

  We had a lovely a lovely day. When into a mere a maze together. Rest GO CATS. So he raced go karts together. It was. [TS]

  It was very fun yet quite a crash. Not that bad a crash get him on a crash and. I would say it was a crash really. [TS]

  It was there were a lot of cost your position it did cost me a position. You did very well in the go karting. [TS]

  I know I just played it safe. Itis I guess I just sat out in front and didn't do anything. [TS]

  I thought we would just have fun driving the go karts around. But as soon as they started. [TS]

  I could feel the competition just read to Max in my brain is like I have got a. I've got a B. Brady. And of course. [TS]

  What actually happens with the go karting is that you go nowhere. [TS]

  It's almost impossible to change for you and less the person in front makes in the state. [TS]

  I started in front of it and that is where I stayed. We had a good day out. [TS]

  Did I buy flowers it felt like I might about you flowers I can't remember if last you came in for Audrey. [TS]

  You said Audrey. I did come and see Audrey and. We had had it we had a lovely day together. Yeah. Nice one. [TS]

  I'll go on a field trip with you. Any time Brady. [TS]