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H.I. #47: Charismatic Megafauna

 

  Hello can you hear me. [TS]

  Brady to who try to lead you to him he can you hear me kinda him you can only hear me was committing me can you hear me [TS]

  can you hear me can you really CAN YOU him I can hear you can you hear me. [TS]

  Kenya him me here you have the can you hear me I can hear I hear me say I can see you sing in harmony. [TS]

  Yes hello hello hello hello hello hello hello. [TS]

  Goodness I would like to open the pod cast by lodging a formal complaint against Starbucks in the United Kingdom. [TS]

  Wow formal complaint one of the things that I like about America is just this feeling of everything is convenient. [TS]

  From big ways we have a gigantic Wal-Mart that contains everything that you could ever possibly want. [TS]

  Plus other stories that you may need to use while you're in Walmart like a bank [TS]

  or haircutters from the biggest thing America is very convenient to the smallest little details. [TS]

  America is very convenient and one of those little details is when you order coffee in Starbucks in the U.S. [TS]

  They have for you to use these little sticks that you can put in your coffee lid to block the place where the coffee [TS]

  pours out of I don't know the name for these things do you know you have laughing they do you have any idea what I'm [TS]

  talking about my fat person assistant sticks you know they're not fat person assistance sticks you know there's a hole [TS]

  where the coffee pours out of it's a little it's a little block [TS]

  or like a like a tiny cork that you can put on I know what I mean it's [TS]

  but it's just like it's just a many many toes the fat people of America have to help them continue in their becoming [TS]

  fat How is this related to becoming fat this is just convenient and so [TS]

  when you get a coffee you can put the little stick in it and it prevents coffee from spilling out on your hand [TS]

  when you walk to the car when you walk somewhere else while you want to. All the cup of coffee. Totally reasonable. [TS]

  So basically it's assisting paper that even when you're walking [TS]

  and moving you can still have something incredibly Keller ific in your hand [TS]

  or just coffee regular coffee is not super Keller effect fairness he do with the Frappuccino is what they do there is [TS]

  they give you the extra wide straws for this you kids get up faster. [TS]

  Right that is much more that person assistance technology that exists in America and is necessary [TS]

  when I don't know in theory one might buy several Java Chip property knows [TS]

  and you want to make sure that you can get all of the big chunks of the bottom nice and easily [TS]

  and they don't get stuck in this drop that fat person this is the technology. [TS]

  Although if you have to why destroy diameter when you do get towards the end does get harder to pull stuff up. [TS]

  Yeah you almost need a second fins draw to sort of hoover up that last bit that's when you just poured in your face. [TS]

  Getting back on track here I'm talking about I can drink corks that's what I'm going to call it it's a drink [TS]

  or it also doubles as a little stir for your cause I want to call them hot stuff as that's about a nine hot stopper hot [TS]

  stuff all right I'll give you that stop or I'll let the pilot that passed. [TS]

  Thank you so the Hans toppers You can also use them to store your drink very can be [TS]

  but it drives me crazy that here in the U.K. The exact same company Starbucks doesn't have these things. [TS]

  If you get a coffee in the U.K. [TS]

  They don't have any hot stopper has for you to use yet they're just unavailable [TS]

  and the thing that really bugs me about this is that Starbucks unlike McDonalds is not a chain Starbucks actually owns [TS]

  all of the locations like they are a single unified corporate entity that is in charge of all of these Starbucks [TS]

  locations they don't care they don't change it out there's no franchises there shouldn't be any local variation. [TS]

  Why why are there no hot stoppers here why do I have to suffer little tiny bits of of boiling hot coffee coming out of [TS]

  the lid of the Starbucks coffee here and on to my hand [TS]

  when I want to walk from the Starbucks to my office this is happened multiple times [TS]

  and it makes me curse Starbucks in the U.K. [TS]

  and Somehow it also just feels very typical of all of England I love England very much [TS]

  but it does feel like English people sometimes enjoy the minor inconveniences of life that they would feel that life [TS]

  was diminished if they didn't have trivial things to constantly complain about [TS]

  and I feel like is this the reason that Starbucks doesn't have the hot stoppers because English people would actually [TS]

  complain that I go with a hot stoppers Well what am I going to do well if I don't get to complain about drops of coffee [TS]

  on my white shirt or on my hands up in as a reason [TS]

  but I think it's your reason I appreciate the I appreciate the humor of your observation about the crumbling of the [TS]

  British people and I do you compare it with your observation [TS]

  but seriously there probably is a reason this probably some eighty men died or something to do with choking hazards [TS]

  or something to do with litter and recycling I bet there's a reason I bet there's a stupid law. [TS]

  I wanted to know the reason. [TS]

  So badly that I actually spoke to some of the people at one of my local Starbucks has just just recently where our You. [TS]

  must really want to know if you spoke to see someone of the staff X. I went in and I said the guy said hey. [TS]

  You don't happen to have any of these little sticks that you put in the lid to stop coffee from spilling over in the [TS]

  back do you like your are they there are they are they in a box and you just don't know to put them out front [TS]

  or something like I I actually he was willing to overcome my great social resistance and speak to a person [TS]

  and try to find out the answer to this [TS]

  and the worst thing was the guy said to me No there aren't any me completely agreed with me [TS]

  and he said he went to some Starbucks manager training in America and saw these things [TS]

  and thought that they were absolutely amazing [TS]

  and he has been trying to get them in his own local Starbucks no luck thus far so I don't know the reason [TS]

  but there's gotta be something has got to be something have you now for just like a sort of special connection with [TS]

  that guy that means you can no longer go to that statics again I will not go into that Starbucks for quite a while [TS]

  until he forgets the trick it's about the guy who wanted to know about the hot stoppers that's the price one pays for [TS]

  trying to find out the answer to a question I can say well if you go I'm really impressed by how quickly you have [TS]

  adopted the post office [TS]

  or we need something I can keep saying the stick that you make the coffee with it also prevents an offer from spilling [TS]

  on your hand or that's a terrible name for a product. I.K. [TS]

  There we go I say shall we start real follow up we just aren't real follow up I think the feedback in the number of [TS]

  comments we had about tipping was high. Yes is a fair observation yes it was very high. [TS]

  Yes you have anything that you want to mention about the feedback on tipping she know what I would say no. [TS]

  It became so overwhelming if safe to being something that I felt like I could fade back on it was just I kind of just [TS]

  got swamped by the avalanche of comments and advice and experts and and and rules [TS]

  and to the point where I'm just like whatever this perfectly plays into what was my main point about the feedback on [TS]

  tipping the overwhelming sentiment was hey you guys you're just way over thinking it. [TS]

  Tipping is really simple [TS]

  and then the person outlays how they tip under what their senses which then everything really prescriptive Rose write [TS]

  fiction very bright with this group of employees yes those group of employees know this group it's twelve [TS]

  and a third percent right that a group with nineteen point two five percent but only if it's Wednesday [TS]

  and then the commenter was always acting as though like we are the idiots who just don't understand these rules [TS]

  but the best part about being on the receiving end of this kind of follow up is that you see everybody's drastically [TS]

  different opinions but everybody thinks it's very obvious right everybody's coming at it from this. [TS]

  Oh well you just do this. [TS]

  Everybody know that why why do you find this confusing even though you're hearing from a hundred people a day who have [TS]

  different opinions about what the correct procedure for tipping is [TS]

  and I was trying to I was trying to think like a comparison to this the only thing I could think to compare it to is [TS]

  sometimes like the rules of of grammar people will argue over like that away too. Make a sentence. [TS]

  Grammatical or what what a sentence or how a sentence should be structured [TS]

  and everybody just think that the grammar rules that they learned from Mrs to or will be in the fourth grade. [TS]

  Everybody knows those are the universal grammar rules that we use in England [TS]

  but the English is horribly messy language [TS]

  and you don't have necessarily super consistent grammar rules everywhere so it's reasonable to be confused about what [TS]

  is the true state of this because there is no true state of it there is no better example of that from A [TS]

  and I don't want to start a whole talk about this now [TS]

  but there's no better example of what you just said to me than the Oxford comma. [TS]

  Oh yeah there's a holy war waiting to happen and I have I'm on the office Assad to on that one [TS]

  and I have absolutely no justification for other than just what I was taught to do [TS]

  and the other way seems wrong to me [TS]

  and I can hear the arguments of the other side of that makes absolute perfect sense to me [TS]

  and I say yeah you brought everything you say is logic logical Yeah that comma should go there [TS]

  and you know I just refused to do it because it's just not it's just I think it's wrong [TS]

  and I have no explanation other than it's just that's my room I was taught no Oxford comma in school as a kid was [TS]

  really nailed into us as an adult I have broken free the shackles placed upon me by my education [TS]

  and I will use the Oxford comma but you're never completely free of the shackles in your mind because you know even [TS]

  when I write out the Oxford comma I have to do it somewhat intentionally and it will still look weird to me [TS]

  but I think is the is the wave is the way of the future we have to live we have to go with this. [TS]

  Oxford comma [TS]

  but I can completely understand your side of this of just like it just feels wrong even though it doesn't make any [TS]

  sense. [TS]

  It's like someone has a really religious upbringing [TS]

  and then decides to become an atheist I still think even that person if they are [TS]

  and I think for the rest of their life every time they declare their I.C.'s I'm They probably think sorry about that [TS]

  god is just the way I think I'm sorry but how do the gets me. [TS]

  I just don't believe it I am sure you will receive no feedback on that remark for Haiti. [TS]

  So ever I think the Oxford cover of paper mournful and in the how I see isn't things. [TS]

  Yeah without it without a doubt Oxford comma will be more of a religious war than actual religion to other minor points [TS]

  that I just want to have on our tipping discussion for follow up. [TS]

  One of which was many many people were telling me what I already knew which is that in the United States the way the [TS]

  law is supposed to work with waiters [TS]

  and waitresses is that if they don't earn enough from tips during their shift to have earned minimum wage their [TS]

  employer is supposed to cover the difference. [TS]

  Yeah he's very aware of this [TS]

  but I have also spoken to people who actually work in that industry who unsurprisingly report that that just basically [TS]

  doesn't happen that if you're if you're stiffed on tips or you're working a bad shift [TS]

  and you're your salary doesn't equal what minimum wage is opposed to be you're not going to get that money out of the [TS]

  employer is never going to happen [TS]

  and what are you going to do like this is one of these situations are going to start trying to sue your employer for [TS]

  the money back like you're going to spend many years on a class action lawsuit like is not going to happen which is [TS]

  precisely why restaurant owners feel that they can stiff waiters [TS]

  and waitresses out of what should be minimum wage that's why I can I reiterate I know people think inferi it's OK not [TS]

  to tip in America [TS]

  but I would say it is not OK not to tip in a restaurant in America you just you just have to do that now [TS]

  and the final point that I want to say that just goes to my feelings about how tipping is uncomfortable for everybody [TS]

  is a number of people were telling me about how some drivers do want to expect tips [TS]

  and that Goober drivers some of them will rate you as a bad passenger in the system if you don't. [TS]

  Tip them as a way to try to let other drivers know not to pick you up one of the things that I think is great about the [TS]

  whole Hooper system is that you have a rating that the driver can see before they choose to pick you up so that some [TS]

  over drivers are trying to drive down the averages for people who don't tip so that they can pick up tipping customers [TS]

  more on average [TS]

  and they like Oh great great thanks yeah this goes exactly to what I think about tipping like it's complicated it's [TS]

  socially awkward and fundamentally it feels kind of like blackmail kind you know kind of like bribery. [TS]

  It's just it's just a don't like it. [TS]

  Apparently I don't know if this is true enough but I was told that song blazing [TS]

  and I'm now repeating it so it is true that when you're shopping [TS]

  and haggling in places like Thailand where it's almost expected that you do a bit of haggling if you just walk up to [TS]

  have stolen say how much for that Taisha that's the beginning of the negotiation. [TS]

  Right and some people obviously drop out about guns and others but apparently if your really hot by going to [TS]

  and you're a bit of an ass what they do is when they finally agreed to the sale [TS]

  and they put you all objective boil in a bag they have different colored shopping bags that would help the other store [TS]

  onus don't deal with this person he's an ass and you'll spend half an hour into the kitchen down to eight [TS]

  but where is the if you're not much of a bag and your bit of a push I give you a different color bag [TS]

  when you go into a negotiation the store [TS]

  and in knows what to expect because of the bags are hoping from the store you're in before right. [TS]

  He's looking at all those green bags thinking this person is money for me I I am just going to assume that is true [TS]

  because it is delightful to think that it is true fact you heard on how the Internet now we've been talking over a few [TS]

  episodes about puns and dad humor and I think we need to go ever too much more [TS]

  but I did receive an email that I enjoyed and I want to share with you. So he's the type of gray. [TS]

  Oh wow you know I let my emails and bits of paper do scans. [TS]

  From Isaak I believe you [TS]

  and Mr Gray are wrong about puns because obviously you're not being a little bit negative about puns even though I am a [TS]

  big user of puns good puns are a great form of humor. I've lived for a couple of years in here we go. [TS]

  How do you say this. [TS]

  Gotham Berg Gothenburg head which you say in Sweden I say Gothenburg [TS]

  but let's go with Gothenburg for now apologies to the people of that fine city I have me for a couple of years in [TS]

  Gothenburg a city known for having a strong pun culture here people of all ages and social status is tell puns [TS]

  and they can be very inventive and well timed so I was obviously intrigued by this. [TS]

  Him telling me that the city is is well known for its patent coach or [TS]

  and I was obviously going to make a little joke about it you know I say have funny how people think their city's famous [TS]

  was happening but when I did a little bit of research it turns at Gothenburg is famous for its part in coach [TS]

  or oh yeah oh yeah. [TS]

  Apparently I found because I found this other code which was based on a survey a nationwide survey done in Sweden by [TS]

  Comedy Central that decided the people have gotten the with the funniest in suede shoes paranoid their accents are [TS]

  quite funny but also it says in the article. Gotham Burke's favorite joke. [TS]

  Puns are the funniest type of Jericho according to the Swedes followed by irony and slapstick. [TS]

  So so Swedes do find puns funny [TS]

  and the people of Gothenburg with a funny accent a famous for their pants there must be a side effect of the language I [TS]

  heard from a few people that puns are really big in China [TS]

  but that it is a side effect of the way the Chinese language is structured [TS]

  and thinking the Swedes it's something with their language [TS]

  or their overlapping all the languages that make them really enjoy puns. Yeah that's quite possible. [TS]

  Think this isn't a terrible anguish for putting that is that you know [TS]

  but you can imagine of a language that was better suited to puns. [TS]

  Now I'm glad I don't speak that language whatever it would be because they're not funny. [TS]

  So what's a language is well suited to puns one where there's more confusion and overlap or one where the overlap [TS]

  and confusion is rare and therefore the pun is more of a a diamond in the rough. [TS]

  The impression that I got from some feedback was that because Chinese. As this. [TS]

  Tonality part of indicating meaning that it's not just the sound it's also the rising [TS]

  or falling tones that this lends itself to lots of puns or you can make things that sound very similar. [TS]

  I'm going to guess that a language that has a great deal of overlap is what lends itself to putting as opposed to a [TS]

  language that is bearing an overlap where puns are rare I mean that would make sense doesn't that tallies with the [TS]

  whole Chinese number thing isn't it where the numbers they like [TS]

  and don't like it because you know I just number sounds like the word for death [TS]

  and this number sounds like the word for money [TS]

  and things like someone familiar with the liquor that's on the drifting I mean Chinese people are obsessed with the [TS]

  number eight. [TS]

  I do on hers I think I think it's eight and if they so like a license plate [TS]

  or a house that house that's number eight on the street it was more than all the other ones. [TS]

  Humans have great curb appeal is trying to change the number of the House they're like we talk about how in big cities [TS]

  everything is one. [TS]

  London Bridge may be in the Chinese cities are there are they all like to be eighty eight and six a sought after [TS]

  and four is a bad number. A current member why I think it must be something to do with death. Chinese lucky numbers. [TS]

  I'll send you a link later if you want to find out more I learn something new to the things you learn on hello internet. [TS]

  You learn about the Chinese love numbers [TS]

  and how you're going to get different colored bags in markets around the world. [TS]

  That's right now one thing you have been learning from time to time in here recently was the location of two ships to [TS]

  cruise ships that I was constantly looking up on the internet telling everyone where they are [TS]

  and I beg without your permission. I made these the official flagships fellow internet Yes you did. [TS]

  I'm not going to lie. [TS]

  Gray wasn't keen on the idea of me looking at the positions of the ships in every pod cast because he's a good friend [TS]

  and a very tolerant person he was letting me do it so I'm happy to report much to his delight over there he doesn't [TS]

  agree with. My reasoning I have decommissioned to these two ships. Oh really. [TS]

  I'm not even speaking then nineteen that is the extent of the decommissioning that's really sad. [TS]

  Brady That's really sad and as as gray where we know [TS]

  and I'm not going to go into in data out here because he's already left me way too much [TS]

  and I'm not going to give him another opportunity to do this do you mean the twenty minutes we've got from the last [TS]

  five gal I don't know what you're talking about basically I contacted like the cruise line in charge. [TS]

  Royal Caribbean [TS]

  or Royal Caribbean which is another discussion that we with Kat because we probably spent way too long on it because I [TS]

  just want to go when the ship was next in England I wanted to go [TS]

  and have a look at it maybe you know to a pod cast there was something I didn't know what I wanted [TS]

  but I was not should show sufficient love by the by the public. [TS]

  Flesh do you want to do you want me to summarize the conversation that we had no I'm very certainly did not want you [TS]

  know that the upshot was I was showing insufficient respect but the public relations people in my opinion [TS]

  and career has already pointed out to me that an eighty billion dollars company lot row Caribbean can probably live [TS]

  without the love of hello internet and also I don't imagine many of the blue rinse set who'd like going on cruises. [TS]

  Hello Internet listeners either although I will point out two things in the wake of that would you like going to the [TS]

  wake of that I will point out two things in the wake of that one is I have actually in the last couple of weeks. [TS]

  Received an email from passenger on one of these ships psycho I was just listening to podcasts [TS]

  and I was on the ship so we do have listeners on the ship and also we love talking about like robots [TS]

  and things being taken over by machines and things timely especially grey [TS]

  and it turns out one of these ships has like robot bartenders and we could have spoken for hours about that [TS]

  but you know what. [TS]

  When not going to hear is now gray Terry Terry you stay out of there I'm going to say I was going say four you've [TS]

  called it The live on the corner you didn't want. [TS]

  You've got rid of a whole corner you didn't want you should just be happy [TS]

  and move on I am very happy I am very happy [TS]

  but i just one I just want to tell listeners that if you ever receive a phone call from Brady Be sure to show him the [TS]

  respect that you think a man in his position in life does [TS]

  or because if you don't if you don't roll out the red carpet for Mr number file you know maybe he will. [TS]

  It is like Hell hath no fury like a Brady scorned that that's all I'm going to say you work for P.R. [TS]

  and Brady calls if it's not the way that he thinks is going to go you'll be dead to him for ever so even though even [TS]

  though Brady in some ways is trying to play this as C.D.P. [TS]

  Gray didn't like this corner where we discuss an arbitrary location in the ocean every week is actually the much more [TS]

  Brady scuttling the ships to the bottom of the ocean are has been entirely honest about my motivations. [TS]

  Your dislike for my checking on the ship has absolutely nothing to do with the end of it it is entirely my displeasure. [TS]

  Oh yes public relations person I just want to make it crystal clear for feet. [TS]

  Let let me let me clarify that message that gray just sent out to the public relations people of the way where I don't [TS]

  quite think that way about Brady calling me take that way about people from new media calling it because although you [TS]

  may not be tied tightly aware of the S. O. D. [TS]

  Newspapers printed with ink on to dead trees is not the only place that you can go on a publicist in the world [TS]

  and if a gift horse comes along offering you oso have lovely things don't shun it just because it doesn't print its [TS]

  message on to dead trees. Can we move on now. Given we can move on. [TS]

  Well I will let you have I will let you have the final word. Hello Internet. [TS]

  Let me tell you a story a story of sadness followed by great happiness. [TS]

  So this summer I was visiting my parents and as parents are they are sad [TS]

  when it is time for their child to leave the actual morning of departure is a difficult one for parents I was getting [TS]

  ready for the flight. [TS]

  Packing the final bags moving them into the car but I had prepared for this moment you see all summer long. [TS]

  My parents kept mentioning how there was this one photograph of Brady that really made them laugh every time they saw [TS]

  it. It's Brady trying to read getting things done. A frown on his face. Audrey on his chest. [TS]

  Also looking at the book also frowning It's an amazing photograph. [TS]

  So as I was doing the final preparations to get ready to go the doorbell rings the delivery man is there [TS]

  and what arrives but a fracture of the photograph of Brady [TS]

  and let me tell you it turned the whole morning around there's magic in photographs [TS]

  and fracture wants to take that magic out of our digital lives and into our physical lives [TS]

  and digital man that I am the physical is different now I had never seen a fracture before this was actually the first [TS]

  time I had ever ordered one and I was really impressed with seeing it in person. [TS]

  Now many times you have heard how great fractures look this is all very true it looks beautiful [TS]

  but I want to focus on the thing that was most surprising to me which is that the fractures are very light. [TS]

  I kept hearing on all of the ads how it's printed on glass [TS]

  and in my mind I imagine that this was going to be very heavy that this was going to be a real solid thing that would [TS]

  be difficult to mount on the wall for display somewhere in the house [TS]

  but no it's surprisingly light so installing something like this in your house it's not a big deal if you've been [TS]

  hearing. Photographs printed on glass and like me kept thinking must be really heavy. [TS]

  Don't want to deal with it that is not the case. A physical picture as a gift. [TS]

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  and brighten up someone's day I think that we have some follow up for the imho G.P.D. A wolf. [TS]

  Oh yes I'm very excited about as well. Remember Wolf Kate right that this was the Adria Modi's were confused about. [TS]

  Yes because my wife and I had very few I sense use the wolf face a Moji as a representation for [TS]

  or tree literally because they're both kind of beige cut the dogs [TS]

  and they look a little bit like the will face on the i Phone [TS]

  and it turns out that the wolf only looks like that on the I sign and if you use Android [TS]

  or Windows I'm looking at least aero Samsung and Twitter and Facebook they all have different I'm a G.'s [TS]

  and all of there is not only look quite different. [TS]

  They gray colored It's only Apple the has this kind of for one color that's like my docs right there looks nothing like [TS]

  a war. [TS]

  Apple is clearly wrong with their with their drug [TS]

  and I hate all of Apple bocce so terrible in date if this is supposed to be a what I mean I didn't know it was a Wolf [TS]

  we just code with code or generally or it looks probably more like a fox. So many of their Moji S. [TS]

  Are terrible [TS]

  or they're terrifying if you zoom in on them like a lot of the faces in the family was like don't look at don't look at [TS]

  it too close because they're terrifying I am not a vet I wanted actually the opposite there Wolf once actually is much [TS]

  nicer than the than the other ones although if it's supposed to be a what than there probably be other that's right [TS]

  because it's much nicer because it's a puppy is what they've drawn over who's in charge of a mode is over there at [TS]

  Apple [TS]

  but you know let me show you a picture of a wolf we've already discussed this a considerable length much more than you [TS]

  could think two guys could discuss won a Major but anyway we did discuss one point how out debate on this issue. [TS]

  Caused a spike in the number of people viewing the wolf page on a Moji Pedia which is a website that I didn't know [TS]

  existed until we drive all this traffic to it. [TS]

  I don't know if this is like some big operation like Wikipedia [TS]

  or some Mickey Mouse operation that just one person is doing in their basement. [TS]

  Either way it's like a encyclopedia of emerges and it looks it looks pretty well done to me to be honest. [TS]

  Lou And one of the things they're doing obviously to sustain this art or to make money [TS]

  or whatever is there are allowing people to sponsor pages on their on their web site instead of having ads you know [TS]

  obviously the trying to make the money with ads [TS]

  and they're thinking maybe a better way to do it with a to get people to give the money you know how these things go. [TS]

  Anyway I was contacted by Jeremy from a major Pedia [TS]

  and he has candle eighty made Louis an ordinary The official sponsors of the wolf. [TS]

  Page are really on a major Pedia So if you go to the wolf. [TS]

  Page on a major PITA instead of being served some grotesque ad that you don't even want to say he will say that O.J. [TS]

  And Lou the other sponsors and there's even a link off to orgies Facebook page other we go. [TS]

  Sponsor yet this won't face a Modi has been adopted by a hundred [TS]

  and Lulu like that still owe the fact that I agree at the Facebook to do vary the should be more people following that [TS]

  same which key you have a thousand people following your to our YOU WANT MORE. [TS]

  Yeah well he deserves more how many does Audrey deserve. I would say ten to twenty K. Ten to twenty K. [TS]

  That that you think I'd read the A divert all to our deserve Yeah I think that would be nice I base that on nothing [TS]

  but that's a good look at odds are Jerry is sponsoring emergencies like we will have by the way I've been meaning to [TS]

  talk to you not to that because we've got way too much talk that [TS]

  but we will have a discussion at some point about whether [TS]

  or not I'm going to be able to persuade you to get a dog because we've been avoiding this issue for too long on the [TS]

  park have we been avoiding this issue. I feel like we haven't been avoiding this issue because. [TS]

  If you constantly badger me about it in just our normal lives like is that we open stark about it in their normal lives [TS]

  we talk about a lot that we don't talk about on the podcast much [TS]

  and I'm just going to I need a bit more time I want to put together my arguments a light you want to get together all [TS]

  your paperwork for that one in making nice with a scale actually what I really want to do it is by one entity for [TS]

  Christmas in the presence of your wife and then watch what you do yeah you I'll show you what I do you go ahead [TS]

  and try that another piece of follow up here. [TS]

  This is a link that I don't know where this thing came from I'm sure it was sent to us by someone say thank you person. [TS]

  Good job or credit their baby. Yeah at U.B. [TS]

  Sion some people seem to think it's right they have to just be attributed if they send us something [TS]

  or suggest we talk about something who are member one time on the podcast I just mentioned are someone sent me a link [TS]

  and so much to pray to your freebooting you're freebooting by not attributing I'm not sure that it's very very sick [TS]

  but anyway I'm not entering the debate I'm just putting it in. [TS]

  The only reason I called you out on it it is because if listeners go back [TS]

  and listen to us talk about stuff I never even make any attempt to try to attribute things because they feel like who [TS]

  knows where it comes from it just comes from the Internet. [TS]

  I just I loved I loved your attempts [TS]

  and then immediately just giving up on trying to attribute it whereas I feel like the only the only winning move here [TS]

  is just is to not try it's just so hard to keep track of this stuff that's why didn't you do think it's nice to do it [TS]

  when you can but unfortunately it does create a precedent that everyone expects they create the president [TS]

  and then you also end up with a podcast where a good ten percent of the podcast is discussions on how a person's name [TS]

  might be pronounced [TS]

  and then also apologies for not pronouncing it correctly you did that to a whole city just moments ago. [TS]

  Sorry ideas at least I didn't go to each person in the city one by one but let's say this link came from Tim OK [TS]

  but it him sent us a report all some saw you can click on its ear in the shop knives how far this comes from the the [TS]

  safety cast at the Civil Aviation Safety Authority in a straight into something nice the plain people in Australia [TS]

  and it's this big report that was done and I haven't I haven't thought this looks boring. [TS]

  Yeah I had watching I think it looks quite interesting but I haven't read it but basically it's about whether [TS]

  or not it I've done my research into whether or not people are paying attention to flight safety videos [TS]

  and have actually used feverishly used some of them will give me a key ones as their exam. [TS]

  Yeah we see that the reason this looks terrible is that it opens with the standard opening line for articles that just [TS]

  is never a good indication which is the what do X. Things have in common. [TS]

  So this report opens with what do the following have in common. [TS]

  Bilbo Baggins Lady Gaga and the Manchester United football team I think now this is always a terrible open open are [TS]

  but all three have been featured in the preflight safety demonstration videos the reason I brought it up was in the [TS]

  last part cost when I said I thought it was quite conceivable that research is done into whether [TS]

  or not people pay attention to safety videos also if you're a bit dismissive [TS]

  and didn't think that was particularly likely and I said was thinking. [TS]

  Assad is likely so I'm just bringing this up to point out not only is it likely we now know that it does happen people [TS]

  do research people's attention to airline safety videos and that was the first plank of my argument about whether [TS]

  or not it's that there are legal reasons for mixing it up with the airline safety videos [TS]

  and I don't want to put that in there you know can't just skimming through this though [TS]

  and I am unconvinced by their bullet points here because the big headline here is the problem is people don't pay [TS]

  enough attention and so the answer they're giving examples of [TS]

  when people don't pay attention so as an example they list an airplane that had the oxygen masks deployed [TS]

  and as we all know Brady oxygen may be flowing to the mask even though the bag does not inflate. [TS]

  Yes I have heard that but they hear say that two crew members had to get up [TS]

  and assist to passengers who were concerned about the bag not inflating on this particular flight [TS]

  and all I can say is two people out of an airplane that's amazing like my experiences as a teacher is you can't give [TS]

  instructions to a room full of twenty people [TS]

  and be guaranteed all twenty of them are going to follow the instructions that's cuts actually really impressive. [TS]

  Yeah even if you have everybody paying attention one hundred percent there was kind of I should bring this up now [TS]

  but there was a kind of kid who I don't have described as but I would just say. [TS]

  There were some kids who weren't Horan like dumb but you would give instructions to a group and they would sit there [TS]

  and then the group would get started doing whatever you told everyone to do [TS]

  and they would wait for you to personally explain the thing to them [TS]

  and they seem to just not believe the group instructions could possibly apply to them [TS]

  and so that's why like I just skimming these things over here there's another one is another example here about you [TS]

  know six people on an airplane didn't fall the appropriate instructions eight people on an airplane [TS]

  and as like these numbers seem tiny to me like so I I'm not convinced that the the opening statement the problem people [TS]

  do not pay enough attention is actually a problem I think you're starting from the assumption that if you could get [TS]

  everyone to pay full attention to your video that they would follow instructions perfectly I think that is a false [TS]

  false assumption [TS]

  and I'm also not convinced that making the video more engaging is also going to be guaranteed related to an improvement [TS]

  in knowledge about what to do like you can have people watch a thing and learn [TS]

  and retain nothing from it I think for example you can watch one of my videos where I talk very quickly [TS]

  and moments later maybe remember absolutely nothing even though you were paying attention so I disagree. [TS]

  I disagree with the premise of at least my two seconds of skimming this report my skim of this report I was equally [TS]

  unimpressed by but to spot the by the whole point I wanted to make was this is an area of research [TS]

  and I thought it was inevitable that would be research because airline safety gets research to death [TS]

  and I found it impossible to believe this area was in another area that gets researched [TS]

  and then so it is whether it's paying well researched or researched by idiots [TS]

  or it's just well funded kind of jobs where it's I don't know and I haven't read this well enough to say for sure [TS]

  but I wasn't massive impressed. [TS]

  First glance as well but anyway I just want to start out there you know [TS]

  and I love I love I need an excuse talk about airlines [TS]

  and plans on the Hill would do it again even in this part cast Yes I know it's coming. [TS]

  I kid feel it looming looming over the horizon [TS]

  but while we can still talk about airplanes I was quite delighted to discover the answer to How do pilots relieve [TS]

  themselves [TS]

  when they're flying fighter jets across the Atlantic Ocean for ten hours this was a great read commentary by the way [TS]

  from let's try [TS]

  and say this name X X X I X A These Octavia the season see how yeah I spent a good minute trying to figure out a site [TS]

  that you just you speak read it so much better than me so what did his ease Oxiana have to say these Oxy the these Axia [TS]

  it's no easier though because it just ends with an I let it go Rick let a can it these archaea that's how you say it's [TS]

  just the whole trick is to say it confidently and don't apologize for it that's how I need to do [TS]

  and so that's not somewhere G'day new like that's not like the name of some Demon From lot of the rings that I should [TS]

  know when you're laughing I don't even know you have never heard of something [TS]

  or other the first time I've seen that word and you just I just run with it and don't don't look back [TS]

  and I liked often [TS]

  but yeah so the doc the linked us to the year in collection devices that are commonly referred to as piddle packs that [TS]

  the people in jets will use [TS]

  and the thing that is most interesting to me is that they can basically they are little almost like the airline [TS]

  sickness bags [TS]

  but there they are shaped in a little bit of an arc so that they can be attached to mail a quip meant rather easily [TS]

  that you can urinate into and they contain a powder that turns into gelatin. [TS]

  When it is contacted with liquid so you you are not. [TS]

  Doing the thing that say a long haul trucker does which is taking your empty bottle of Mountain Dew right [TS]

  and then just hoping to seal it up right that these these pill packs will turn your urine into something solid [TS]

  and presumably more easy to deal with in the confines of a fighter jet [TS]

  and the answer about what they do for number two is they wait I would find rather stressful for ten hours. [TS]

  Sometimes it has to be done I also found it really interesting that these are also a often used by military snipers [TS]

  when they're in their hides a knife a long periods of time say what's colder than pilots [TS]

  and snipers on high not many things one for his are so cool. [TS]

  Yeah I mean the whole killing thing it's a killing people things I guess not great [TS]

  but it's still pretty cool you know how [TS]

  when you talk about plane crash corner you tell me to put aside like the horrors of it [TS]

  and just discuss the things that that goes with fighter jets and snipers like aside from the murder. [TS]

  Let's talk about how. [TS]

  Sniper's super cool [TS]

  and I often thought if I was ever going to be in the military sniper training it just seems like that would be amazing. [TS]

  I would love to be a sniper if I had to do that. [TS]

  The BE GREAT my first instinct is that you would not be a good sniper I might be terrible at it [TS]

  but I would be willing to give that a go. [TS]

  Like it if you have to be on the ground I mean really if I was in the military if I had if I was drafted [TS]

  or something my number one strategy would be to convince them about like hey I can program computers like let me let me [TS]

  let me sell how I can be useful to you. [TS]

  Military in a way that is not being on the front line but if I had to be in the front lines. [TS]

  Sniper is what I would I would try for I would try to do that. What about you. [TS]

  Brady five pilots Yeah I mean fighter pilot and then I drive you know a tank or something [TS]

  but now if you had to be you don't get a you don't get it. [TS]

  Just cherry picked sniper and now you're saying I can cherry pick a Cojo [TS]

  or what I what I mean is if you had to pick a job where you don't get to surround yourself with the protective machine [TS]

  would you be the guy holding the telephone I know it's very I wouldn't classify fast a pilot as the safest job in the [TS]

  military would have talking about if it's safe [TS]

  or not I'm just saying you're a dude on the ground would you have a rocket launcher would you be the medic. [TS]

  I'm going to follow in my dad's footsteps and they don't track a dog track [TS]

  or have you finished those videos yet we talked about those like a year [TS]

  and a half ago done did I tell you that I've done to tell the viewers that on the second one in the series there is [TS]

  another there is another video with my dad you know what you know you never mention there's a second one there is [TS]

  another one. I'll put a link in the show. [TS]

  All right there isn't there is a new video with my debt this one is about him climbing up a hill [TS]

  and sort of showing you the geography of the base where he was with his in Vietnam there we go it's like a it's it's [TS]

  not quite the gripping story of action. [TS]

  And combat of the first ones but it tells you a lot of about how how it worked and how that helicopter in and out [TS]

  and things like that it's pretty good it's are are holding to you can have a look if you like in the Shona Yeah look at [TS]

  that became you know I see the plug the grave that even many today. [TS]

  Course I meant to and check out the book and check out the book available on Amazon. [TS]

  Now you just track as the book the book The good part don't watch my video the books we should be rating to get the [TS]

  videos I think we have shredder follow up this is also very exciting to me so much the only one. [TS]

  Just asked for sure to follow up [TS]

  and just because someone asks for something doesn't mean they're going to get on the podcast [TS]

  but in this case they are because I did has been sure to follow up. [TS]

  Oh yeah [TS]

  and that is that is the news that I have not been shredding for quite some time now because I have suffered a major jam [TS]

  that I cannot fix all I mean the paper jam in your shredder is that what you mean. [TS]

  Yeah yeah I put through too many bits of paper at once and it seems to of course I've tried like going forward [TS]

  and reverse [TS]

  and this is a thing which traders is they tempt you to push them to the edge of the always think this seems good I can [TS]

  I can I can fit eight simultaneous pieces of paper or maybe tens I'm not a nice piece and then sooner [TS]

  or later there's some there's some trouble my trick yeah I have found is use a letter opener as the best tool for D. [TS]

  Stick defying a shredder. [TS]

  Let me try to literature the sound what the should be on your other point cast if we're talking about things like [TS]

  letter writing has and documents [TS]

  and things I have not tried to let our i've got a Swiss army knife I stick by bin Laden and see what happens. [TS]

  The other the other great solution is to just buy a bigger shredder that's really wonder strategem tells you that it's [TS]

  time to buy a bigger shredder I don't think I need a bigger strata you can always use a bigger shredder I could do you [TS]

  think about how big is yours I'm I am still using what in my mind was just some temporary shredder writes The problem [TS]

  is that has been jammed so I guess I don't have an excuse to get into one to sort of realize your lender to make for a [TS]

  few days drive take care that after the show I'm going to run all these tax documents there to try to jam it real good [TS]

  so I do have an excuse to pick [TS]

  or I did want to ask you what you thought of that good news new Lego using Google's new logo you like [TS]

  and no it didn't like it you don't like it really interesting I do like I'm coming down on the side of I do like it [TS]

  and they pull it up I mean no I'm sure another way Croteau ever used to [TS]

  and I was twenty five remember what the album was but I don't like a fly don't you like it. I think it's too childish. [TS]

  There is no arguing that it is very childish [TS]

  and I'm betting that the design spec was make it look like the magnetic letters that go on people's refrigerators that [TS]

  has to be what they were going for because that is exactly what the logo looks like then why do you lack of the [TS]

  childishness So what why do you like it I don't know I think this is one case where it where it works I mean Google [TS]

  Google is just a silly word you know Google Google Google GOOG agoa right it sounds like babies Yeah [TS]

  and Google's Google's corporate image has always been somewhat playful I think maybe a is the way to describe it. [TS]

  Playful simple [TS]

  and then this also fits in with their overarching Google is now a subsidiary of a company called alphabet like this [TS]

  kind is kind of works in with that I'm a fan of the new logo [TS]

  but what I have to say what I like is is not even so much just that the like on the Google search page that this logo [TS]

  but even they redid their favorite con on the Web site to be the big G. [TS]

  And also if you do any voice search with Google they redid the way the little microphone works to match up with a [TS]

  little Google colors then I just think the they re branded [TS]

  and I think they did a good job making it look consistent across a bunch of stuff I'm going to give it a thumbs up. [TS]

  I know lots of people seem to dislike it. [TS]

  I'm a fan I think it's it's clean and I think the childishness is is perfectly OK in in this moment. [TS]

  Although it did take me longer than usual to actually notice because I have actually recently finally release which to [TS]

  Duck Duck Go which I maligned many podcasts ago for not having great search results but they have been improved. [TS]

  Over time and so now Dr Goh is my default search engine. [TS]

  Everywhere now instead of Google so I won't actually be looking at the Google logo every single day [TS]

  but I do like it I mean given the thumbs up on this one now that the search results a better on Dr go why have why [TS]

  moved them why move away from Google what do you not like a baker who is a fictitious the creepy data stuff [TS]

  or what do you not like about cable because the searchers up some pretty good on yeah their search results are pretty [TS]

  good [TS]

  and at least for the moment one of the things I like on Google is the option to search for stuff within a time period [TS]

  so Dr Goh doesn't have that for the moment [TS]

  but often if I'm trying to do some like I'm looking up a solution to some tech problem I'm trying to fix something on [TS]

  the computer it's really helpful to be able to say on Google. [TS]

  Show me results that are only from within the last year because very often all you know if you don't do that you get [TS]

  results from years and years ago that aren't relevant but so Google definitely still has its purposes [TS]

  but mainly I just feel like I want to separate. [TS]

  The you to business stuff from just like oh I'm a person searching for things on Google all day like I'm just aware [TS]

  it's it's impossible on my browsers to not always be logged into at least one of the You Tube [TS]

  or Google accounts that are directly related to business stuff all the time [TS]

  and so I just feel because Google does have that little bit of a creepy we're always watching you [TS]

  and using all of this data to predict stuff about you that I do want to put a little bit of a barrier between like oh [TS]

  this is the sea G.P. [TS]

  Grey Google account that is used for You Tube and official business stuff and then separate out like high M.C.G. [TS]

  Gray a person who's just searching for stuff on the Internet like you just want to put a little bit of distance between [TS]

  those two and now that Duck Duck Go results are good enough. I'm happy to have them be the default everywhere. [TS]

  Plus they have a dark mode which I quickly [TS]

  when I was a big fat that it always comes down to my stark mode goes a long way and where it comes down to duck [TS]

  but do you think of those creepy like this is one of these things where like how do you feel about that do you think [TS]

  about Google. Keeping all your search results. [TS]

  Yeah creepy doesn't worry me as much as it were easier Nom I'm you know as I was going to say paranoid [TS]

  but if it were just cautious I'm not as cautious as you [TS]

  but yeah tonight I mean it depends on my mood in a given day my mood today is what you're saying makes a lot of sense [TS]

  and I feel like I should do that I should make away from them I don't need them and you know I use them for work [TS]

  and off as it is with my two hundred thousand G. [TS]

  Plus accounts and she became a major said also be you know searching for a recipient on them as well paranoid [TS]

  or even cautious is is overblowing it because even I can't quite put my finger on why I feel this way. [TS]

  Yeah because if you made me sit down to write on a piece of paper. [TS]

  Someone says What do you think is the worst case scenario here it's very hard to say what that would even be it's like [TS]

  oh Google Google the algorithms know more about me and like and I care why not really I have a hard time placing. [TS]

  A solid thought on why I feel this way [TS]

  but I'm just happy to have a little bit of separation between me searching for stuff [TS]

  and the thing that I use for the vast majority of my business now that it is a more practical possibility [TS]

  but I can't say I can't say why and I don't feel like I have any convincing arguments for why that would be why [TS]

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  saving our thanks to Harry's for supporting the podcast. By weekly why and how you feel and over their body. [TS]

  Heavier feeling heavier do it this is feeling increasingly more pointless to make us a bit like doing at a bi weekly [TS]

  check on how I'm going making a quilt and another quick Micah any I thought. [TS]

  You know in the stuck with an are you not a quilt maker. [TS]

  Well I'm just not doing any sort of white loss things and I meant [TS]

  and in fact I'm doing quite the opposite this week I since since our last weighed myself I have put on one point five. [TS]

  Put on one point five kilos. [TS]

  OK I am down but just barely point nine pounds which I think comes out to be zero kilograms [TS]

  and I can remember how it works and so you're pretty much the same a head down and I'm out. [TS]

  We like the worst Romo to well well this is exactly it because the point nine down is one of the things where this is [TS]

  well within the the uncertainty of measurement. [TS]

  Oh you think that comes down to what you're wearing when your way so [TS]

  when you went last went to the toilet exactly right that this is this totally falls down into how long has it been [TS]

  since you've gone to the bathroom territory which basically doesn't count as all at all so I feel like yes I have made [TS]

  no progress and you have made negative progress and so you know we are terrible role models for people [TS]

  but here we are here we are none the less. Now I thought you were Twitter account must have been hacked today. [TS]

  Oh yeah why did you think that have you really started a Twitter account way your lot putting all your personal [TS]

  information about the old white fat things and stuff up on the Internet. [TS]

  Yeah I guess I guess since we just had a discussion about what worrying about how much Google knows about us. [TS]

  Yeah I was I would have been disappointed in myself as a human being since our last weigh in because I have made [TS]

  basically no progress and in no small part is because when I'm under a big work pressure like that is just [TS]

  when I am at my my worst in terms of like just eating crap to get through the day [TS]

  and I just always find myself kind of justifying it is like well you're up all night for. [TS]

  The third night in a row like you know you're going to need some soda or something just to stay awake [TS]

  and you can't possibly drink any more coffee and the like [TS]

  but I always do this like I've been doing this for two years this guy this like habit [TS]

  and essentially like making no progress really [TS]

  and so I thought well how can I step up my own personal accountability [TS]

  and so yes just this morning it arrived I got a scale. [TS]

  Allows me to auto tweet from high embarrassing potentially no progress. [TS]

  Weight loss so I have put that up there on the Internet as a way of trying to hold a gun to my head not just once every [TS]

  two weeks which has been unsuccessful for me [TS]

  but hold a gun to my head once a day so yeah that's a real THE at great health bought really was me I didn't get hacked. [TS]

  Wow I don't know what to say. Had asking if some steak. [TS]

  Yeah we think it's a mistake well it's not mistake I just think it's well that wouldn't work for me I'm learning this [TS]

  doesn't work for me because because I have imagined they would have been a time where our D. [TS]

  So worried about what people think of me and not fear of failure that maybe it would work [TS]

  but I think having made You Tube videos for so long I feel like of almost become a not kill a to to what people think [TS]

  about me so so so the so the shame of of you know putting all my losing weight or doing something embarrassing [TS]

  or doing something good like it almost is it doesn't mean much to me anymore I really appreciate like you know I fade [TS]

  back and the audience isn't things out but I just don't think it well it obviously is not working and and I [TS]

  and use same you seem to have an even stronger ability to not worry about what other people are signing I see her [TS]

  putting it forward like this is going to help you much so this is really interesting to me that you're coming out from [TS]

  this perspective for me it's it's not about like the the feedback from other people it's it's more about like I have [TS]

  put it out there that I am attempting to do with thing and if I do not succeed the thing my failure is very public. [TS]

  And this is a thing that I have declared is important to me to do. [TS]

  Like it's very it's very different from like putting up a video [TS]

  or something were five put up a video that was a total failure. [TS]

  Like well it's going to happen sometimes right sometimes videos aren't good [TS]

  and if you end up getting a hundred thousand people saying you suck. [TS]

  I'm very immune to that kind of feedback at this point like anybody who makes a living on the Internet you just have to [TS]

  be [TS]

  but this is this feels like I am really putting me on the hook because I have said this is a thing that is important to [TS]

  do to try to lose weight [TS]

  and if I am not able to do it then this is in a very public way saying like I have I have failed at this thing that I [TS]

  have set out to do so that's why I have put it out there it's much more about like what this says about me if I am not [TS]

  able to do it as opposed to like people tweeting at me at fatty fatty McPhatter sense exclamation mark kind of thing I [TS]

  don't feel like it's something that if I asked your advice about you would advise you devise against life I'm just [TS]

  thinking you know I you know I can imagine may ring you up and sang cry about this problem [TS]

  and here's one thinking here's my options [TS]

  and the sort of advice she normally give would be along the lines of you know I do have a cost benefit analysis [TS]

  and what do you hope to achieve what's the good outcome of the bad outcome [TS]

  and you sort of you know you rationally go through in your way we just did this the other day we did do it we did do it [TS]

  the other day on another issue and. [TS]

  The and the thing that would happen but what happens here you are either you either lose the weight [TS]

  and could fear you've accomplished what you wanted to accomplish because you know you did and I'm happy for you [TS]

  or you don't and yet and how bad you feel about it is just compounded by the fact that you did this health bar thing [TS]

  and I don't see you know I see what you're doing you're thinking this would hope he's succeed this will become you know [TS]

  a stick or carrot I don't know which it is probably more of a stick is much more of a stick if the step [TS]

  but I think it's just an it's just another you know you said you said I feel a bit bad about myself [TS]

  when I don't do it this is just going to make if it was a I think it's got more downside than upside [TS]

  but I'm sure you have thought about it and you've made it even a decision based on that so yeah you know you doing [TS]

  but this is one of those cases where the fact that it has more downside is the upside from my perspective that I I [TS]

  obviously when I think about like OK I've tried to lose weight over the past like year and a half two years sort of [TS]

  and without much success like I'm pretty much the same way now that I was two years ago [TS]

  and I have kept like turning up the dial of like OK what do I need to do to lose weight and I have made some changes [TS]

  but none that have been sufficient [TS]

  and so this to me is like one continuing down this path of like I want to lose some weight [TS]

  and I need to keep cranking this dial of what our further things that I can do and this is. [TS]

  Probably one of the most severe things that I can think of to do is to make this very public this smacks of Last Chance [TS]

  Saloon to me because you know this is a God that's famous for not telling people what he's working on a very very [TS]

  secretive about things you do in till you do them [TS]

  and now for the first time of your sighing this is what I'm doing followed me from day one this is this this goes [TS]

  against everything about you in terms of other aspects is either I know normally I don't know you're working on a [TS]

  project till the day you don't like [TS]

  nor the typical why I would expect great white lost to work with it every time I ask you about how your weight loss was [TS]

  going you would say nothing not talking about it and change the subject and then like six months later I'd see [TS]

  and you'd be like a wife and I'd be like oh my goodness and you're like a surprise I didn't tell you but look at me. [TS]

  On amazing but this time it's the exact opposite you're like come [TS]

  and followed me look you know it's it's this is this is desperation stakes if you ask me [TS]

  but it is funny because in a in a way I don't regard the way it is like personal information even though I know for [TS]

  some people it feels very personal. [TS]

  Whereas what I'm working on a psycho No of course I would never tell anybody what I'm working on [TS]

  and there are lots of aspects of my life that I'm very private about [TS]

  but how fat i am i feel like there's not private like people can look at me [TS]

  and he can see actually in your in your case that's not the case is there you're kind of the one exception to that [TS]

  you're the one person the strangest can't look at I was a meaning in my professional life I mean just like [TS]

  when I'm walking around yeah you can't you can't fool anybody about what you look like because that's what you look [TS]

  like so it [TS]

  but those people those people in the street don't know you're trying to do is the way it's you know sort of fans [TS]

  and followers a day if you were walking around with a sign on your shirt saying hello I'm trying to lose weight [TS]

  and he walked around the train stations [TS]

  and streets of London wearing that that would be different that we created the i wouldn't do that you know it's [TS]

  terrible idea I would advise me against that very strongly is no better then surely kind of what it feels like you're [TS]

  doing you were doing on Twitter except you do have the advantage of people not knowing what you look like you know I [TS]

  mean video is everywhere you can stuff like that people look at me [TS]

  and say man I post photos of myself because because I'm a normal person but he's a little bit [TS]

  and can never let it slide. [TS]

  It wouldn't be how they are Internet great [TS]

  but anyway I think it's I think it's co-authored it's really interesting what you've done [TS]

  and I may even follow what's a coach at what great health but great health but I think it's one of those who do it man. [TS]

  Thing that two weeks well I won't be a surprise for me in two weeks because I don't know exactly how you're doing. [TS]

  Yeah I'll give you an unfair advantage in some way you know exactly how things are going to need to act [TS]

  and they try had. This weather is not helping. Now headed heading into heading into the dark season in England. [TS]

  Doesn't help anybody. By nature rejoined a gym maybe you know I do like swimming. Oh yeah. [TS]

  Swimming is really good from a creative like that that's what I have I have all my best ideas [TS]

  and we have to discuss this I have all my best ideas in water that's why I have really really long shadows because it's [TS]

  right to sit and think I'll stand and think OK that makes sense because lot [TS]

  when I last visited your house you were discussing with me this engineering problem that you're having where you wanted [TS]

  to have a minimum of sixty minute ninety minute long showers hot showers [TS]

  and for the bombers the plumbers were telling you about how this was not possible [TS]

  and you knew you were basically saying make it possible [TS]

  and they were going to be additional boilers that were installed on the upper levels of your house is satisfy you. [TS]

  Norma's quantities of hot water that you require for your morning shower. [TS]

  But this makes more sense now because if you're having your best ideas there this is like a business expense so is this [TS]

  makes way more sense. Way more sense. [TS]

  Yeah just just so that people don't leave commits an email me because that would have been to real pain in the [TS]

  but I do not have sixty minute showers [TS]

  and there was no talk of installing another boy was for me to have them shows that is that why you live with them it's [TS]

  like the word discussed in the no no no you know if you think you've misinterpreted [TS]

  or misunderstood a few things there but I do you have unusually long showers [TS]

  and they might desire for long showers was a factor in deciding some of the equipment we had instilled in him says punk [TS]

  things right yeah [TS]

  and the water reserve that's right you know the the like of the like a water company had to build a new reservoir [TS]

  and I create a fund on a kick status as I could I could have my shadow is here. [TS]

  Anyway I do have very long shadows but all your best ideas come in water. [TS]

  Yes How do you know I do more creative in water for some reason [TS]

  and I don't want to stop now before I send any more like a lovely darling no no it's of my most creative main Its [TS]

  when I'm in the water. Darling it's just because you're separated from all the other stuff. [TS]

  Taking a shower it gives your brain a little moment to relax and make some other connections [TS]

  and make you think he's winning is going to be the same thing right with with swimming your your you were forced to be [TS]

  separate from other stuff yeah it's like when I [TS]

  when I go to the gym I'm very conscious of not listening to podcasts not having something that occupies my mind is not [TS]

  quite the same as being in the shower or your brain really is just all on your own listen to music instead [TS]

  but it's like twenty five percent that so I'm not surprised that swimming swimming is [TS]

  when you have all your creative [TS]

  and yes some more swimming for Brady the shell can say the shells one place way you can sort of be on the Internet [TS]

  and on why five that's not true for Destin deafness Face Time To me from his show before that's not even that's not [TS]

  going to lie I would believe it it was for it was family friendly by the way before people make silly comments [TS]

  but let them as nations around while Brady in that man's got to get the maximum out of every hour of the day. [TS]

  Shall we do. [TS]

  Corners corner we have so we have so many corners now that we need a corner store over corners this is just a hello [TS]

  internet polyhedron what people do when listening to the head of Internet put craft corner very good. [TS]

  I better here's some paper. [TS]

  Yet some type it I've gone for a few more just normal ones this time I feel like we've been upping the ante [TS]

  and raising the bar so much that short of I don't know what [TS]

  and Eilean I don't know how we could put the right we've been having lately so so I want to go back to just a bit of [TS]

  normality [TS]

  and also you know I want I want none of the listeners to know you don't you don't have to be a fighter pilot to listen [TS]

  to how the Internet it helps but you don't have to be so here we go this is Mike Mike is a. [TS]

  Fission or magician and mind reader he says I make my living by doing impossible things which is a good thing. [TS]

  He's addressed this e-mail to me in money because I don't think that sentence would go down very well with that [TS]

  but then he thinks he can expect to have most of my work is intertwining guests at weddings However couples a terrible [TS]

  planning their big day [TS]

  when I turn up to start entertaining people they're always running light I therefore have to wait around before [TS]

  starting the magic and mind reading I take this opportunity to listen to. Hello Internet. [TS]

  It puts me in the right mood to do amazing things. Following your recent discussions on free will. [TS]

  I've used as a theme in the magic someone makes an apparently free choice and I show them I predicted that beforehand. [TS]

  This really freaks them out. [TS]

  The are nice because there's no free Well that's why I get freaked out exactly I like this one this comes from Martin [TS]

  from Canada and my wife [TS]

  and I took a road trip to the east coast of Canada in May this year it was nearly six thousand kilometers over twelve [TS]

  days and before you ask. He's put in brackets. Three thousand seven hundred miles for the robot. [TS]

  Thank you my wife who is a professional musician [TS]

  and was doing a performance to it does not drive a standard transmission so I had to do all the driving myself we were [TS]

  able to listen to episodes one to twenty six and half of twenty seven on that one trip [TS]

  but some marathoning That's amazing. [TS]

  Has anyone listen to more consecutive Hello Internets in one in one batch than that I'd love to hear from you if you [TS]

  have Martin has since caught up and he appears to be on real time now so he says he is listening. [TS]

  Normally like some kind of peasant It is a sad moment [TS]

  when you catch up on a pod cast that you like I know that feeling of going through the back catalog [TS]

  and as like are now or now. Now I have to wait. [TS]

  Arable it is bad like that with watching that box it's to have to see a big series that I've been really getting [TS]

  getting really into and I just finished and then we went to download the next series and I was like it's not out yet. [TS]

  The haven't even made it yet but I want to watch it now. [TS]

  We were attacked we were peripheral I tell you what it is it's The Good Wife [TS]

  and it's a really good show we really enjoyed it [TS]

  but we're not we're caught on with it now let me tell you listening to the two of you just melted the hours away. [TS]

  You're able to put my mind into some magical with Zen like try to [TS]

  and I can't thank you enough for turning what would have been utterly awful amount of time in the car into a wonderful [TS]

  trip. [TS]

  Here's the best part I was so happy that as soon as I got home I mediately became one of your Patriots that's pay [TS]

  Korean dot com slash hello internet is that right. Is how Internet Slash'em Internet gallon you know you want to. [TS]

  So thank you Martin. [TS]

  But I got this email from this person code Thomas who is a student and he had like a car crash [TS]

  and he wrote his car over and he sent me a picture of the crashed car but he said I can't share it [TS]

  and he said he crashed his car he said when he crashed I was a bit of a panic mode [TS]

  and thoughts rushed through my head and I have to say the moment somehow though Internet [TS]

  when you spoke of the Hard as nails mentality. Push to come down and get myself together and get up out of the car. [TS]

  Thankfully I managed to come out with only minor cuts and bruises [TS]

  but I don't think I would have had the guts to get at with that you would grade my head now I know he's taken that [TS]

  making I don't think the Brady I think they're going to be using Brady hard as nails as a visualization tool in the [TS]

  military soon do you think you're going to be telling guys you need to be more like Brady get through this. [TS]

  Offered up mentally I mean I know you're joking cry [TS]

  but I'm enjoying it so that the reason I want to re to actually cry was I want to ask you if you have been in the car [TS]

  crash. Yeah I was in a car crash. [TS]

  You sound I may be almost ten years ago now eight years ago it's been a long time but you know [TS]

  and that this is something I did not know that something you'd ever talk about her as a sort of a private matter [TS]

  and I just said I mean just like you know it's just it's a car crash we were my wife and I were T. [TS]

  Boned going across an intersection and anyone hurt or York. [TS]

  OK it was one of the things that was it was shockingly shockingly lucky because one the guy T. [TS]

  Boned us directly outside of the police department so there were a general police [TS]

  and people there immediately on the scene which is very reassuring because they were in the building right right across [TS]

  America happened were also very lucky because the car. [TS]

  Oh most flipped over [TS]

  and if it had it would have landed on a bunch of children who were waiting for a school bus on the other side of the [TS]

  intersection [TS]

  and then to top it off the thing that was quite relieving to me was that we was a Toyota Prius that we were in [TS]

  and my wife and I will never ever rent [TS]

  or drive a car that does not have side impact air bags now because the medical people on the scene were like yeah your [TS]

  wife would have died if you didn't have side impact air bags here I would have been fine [TS]

  and my wife would have been dead. [TS]

  Fellow you're getting a car check out [TS]

  and make sure they have side impact air bags it is a necessity for us at this point so we always cherry Where way was [TS]

  in America was yeah I was on one of our road trips in America has a Change your attitude to driving. [TS]

  Yeah a little bit I have been a little bit more gun shy about driving ever since then. [TS]

  But the problem is also that this was the last big road trip that my wife and I did [TS]

  and it just so happened that very naturally I have driven very very little since then normally because I've been living [TS]

  my whole life in London I very rarely even the America where my parents happened to be I usually don't need to drive [TS]

  very much at all so I haven't driven a whole lot since then and it's a combination of just not needing to [TS]

  and also being like slightly hesitant about driving because of that. [TS]

  The autos are coming soon so I don't really have to worry about it in a couple years. [TS]

  Thought that without the smashing into each other all the time when I [TS]

  when someone hacks the network now that I'm not worried about [TS]

  but I have honestly I've honestly been just ticking down the time until autos are available because I can't wait to do [TS]

  another road trip in a self driving car like when and when I can get my hands on a real self driving car. [TS]

  I will definitely take the time to do another road trip because that will seem like magic [TS]

  but magic that I have been waiting for my entire life I cannot wait to do that. [TS]

  Hurry up autos I've just got a quick one here from eally A O L E A from Baron whose Witsel [TS]

  and just saying I know I can't possibly one up some of the other submissions to the corner [TS]

  but just for the sake of diversity I want to let you know that I'm a corporal in the Swiss military [TS]

  and I listen to the podcast a lot while driving to the shooting range. [TS]

  Helps calm me down and focus so I just thought that was a nice one. I'm a I'm really fascinated by the Swiss Army. [TS]

  Yeah why I'm so if you if you want to email again a way to tell me all sorts of stuff about what it's like being in the [TS]

  Swiss Army and all the hidden all those hidden bases you have [TS]

  and do you get given blood do you have a swiss army knife to the Q fuels. [TS]

  Sam enough unless we saw me knows they have to have a swell [TS]

  and I'm more of a Swiss Army the same out was to show would be it would be madness if they didn't have Swiss Army [TS]

  knives in the swiss army like standard issue. Entered I don't I get to choose color or do they all have the red handle. [TS]

  Now I've got to be red military uniform. [TS]

  Everybody gets the red handle on I think a Swiss army knife is it was one of the best presents I have a call from my [TS]

  dad a Swiss army knife is the best present that any father can get his son through his soon to the kids old enough to [TS]

  be trusted with something sharp. Swiss Army Knife is the way to go. [TS]

  Do you still carry a PA like a multi to I don't carry it with me [TS]

  but I have got us I've got a Swiss army knife here on my desk that I use I use all the time [TS]

  but I don't carry it with May around away from home the a user a lot like it sits on my desk in my pen part that's how [TS]

  often the thing about like a father giving his son the Swiss Army knife thing is you mediately realize all the [TS]

  circumstances under which it is actually quite handy to have a little tool around you like as soon as you have it there [TS]

  are a million circumstances under which you want to use it so it's army knives very cool cool. [TS]

  So let us know if you have one. [TS]

  Ilia there a guy says some listeners I've got lots more Keep them coming I really enjoy them and I'll I'll try [TS]

  and dribble a few more out of the time as gray lets me cannot do a quick plane crash Congress I couldn't possibly stop [TS]

  you well before we do this let me tell you this let me give you the proof the prelim here. [TS]

  My wife was away for the weekend a few weekends ago and it just so happened that coincided with a stamp [TS]

  and postcard fair coming to like a local school where I was so all these. [TS]

  You know how these things work I don't know how stamp [TS]

  and postcard fares work I've no idea which talking about basically lots of dealers of you know stamp sellers [TS]

  and postcard sellers and things of this John. [TS]

  Oh OK It's like a trade show but the trade shake on it yet like that so I get a big school gymnasium [TS]

  and I set up login those typos and they sell their wares and I love I love this [TS]

  and because my wife was away because my wife's like a real get to the point kind of woman whereas I like to just browse [TS]

  for hours [TS]

  and hours I can see that I can definitely see that so I said this is brilliant so I just went there for hours [TS]

  and hours and I just sat in the chairs and went through all the posts I'm not that into stamps [TS]

  but I'm into a lot of the that's kind of what you call all the stuff that's the word the Phils fillin [TS]

  and I stuff to do with postage [TS]

  and stuff like that I really enjoy for the Lalage e Finland silat Anyway I was going through the stuff I was having I [TS]

  was having a great time and then suddenly I saw a little section in one of on the one of these tables [TS]

  and it was code at had written crash my oh this was a new thing for me to switch to video. [TS]

  I'll get well into this I go home to her we got to switch to video now OK because if the video because I made some [TS]

  purchases. [TS]

  Let me show you would have let me show you what I mean it's really I have been recording the video of my screen [TS]

  when you said let me make some purchases because you had just the brightest twinkle in your eye. [TS]

  So excited like a little boy. [TS]

  What I can't wait to see with this is these are in their protective plastic slaves were home be able to eat you told [TS]

  that you tell the viewers what you say could can you get a good look at that oh no there's it looks like I'm looking at [TS]

  a and on the loop and says well it's as handwritten address on it [TS]

  and says damaged damaged in plane crash in one nine hundred fifty five that can write in like it was a place there's a [TS]

  step it's Hollywood but not that holy Hollywood different Hollywood so so there's that set [TS]

  and that that damaged in plane crashing is like stamped stamped on it there's a handwritten letter [TS]

  and here's some more there's a there's an there's there's another there's another letter [TS]

  and that one you see on it says they're salvaged mail from an air crash in Prestwick and nine hundred fifty four [TS]

  and this is this one here was you know was in a shipwreck here [TS]

  and it's gone them planets I damaged by a mission in sea water had it look so damaged that [TS]

  when you did does looks it looks exactly like what you would ask a Hollywood person [TS]

  and make it as a prop for a piece of paper another one [TS]

  and here's one last one this one this one's got scorched this one's in terrible condition. [TS]

  Yeah this one looks like it was in a fire or something so basically So it's a net [TS]

  and now you are reading the personal correspondence of the dead from plane crashes that's what you're doing it's not [TS]

  the person it's not the personal correspondence if you are you don't have to look at many more if you don't want to you [TS]

  can't all you can on how great it's so weird I'm going to going to minimise Iraq. [TS]

  Basically this is it turns out these things called Crash covers or crash is is a hope. [TS]

  Subjoined are of collecting Oh I love the world sometimes when a plane crashes I mean quite often is [TS]

  or is carrying postage obviously a mile in bags underneath the plane and if if the Mayo is recoverable. [TS]

  What happens is the mail agency will get [TS]

  and now stamp on it with a stamp saying this because in a crash of the village you need to explain why it was July to [TS]

  what looks a bit worse for wear [TS]

  and things like that right a person moves a person still receives that are though I put a rate [TS]

  and do what I want with it but sometimes the on Violet not the lesser self but they own the like is retained. [TS]

  Finds its way into these collecting communities [TS]

  and becomes quite a cherished item this is the ACA you know a letter that survived a plane crash is considered a [TS]

  collectible thing an interesting thing [TS]

  and I found that so fascinating I got so taken by the idea of a of these little mementos that had gone through this [TS]

  adventure and come out the other side that I couldn't help myself [TS]

  and I spent more money than I should of buying them [TS]

  and I'm sort of up in looking up a little bit about the actual crash is that these letters were in a planning on a [TS]

  moron a blog or something you know in all about them until this story because I've got really into it [TS]

  and the tonight I'm not going to rule out maybe even buying some more if I get a little bit addicted [TS]

  but for now these five and I'll take some pictures of them [TS]

  and we'll put them in the shower nicer people can have a look at them as well but I just thought it was a nice thing. [TS]

  Something different for a plane crash go into and it might not be quite the right fit [TS]

  but this feels almost like it could be a bit of a lanyard video on something for objectivity. [TS]

  Men know the objectivity focuses in on on Keith and his work [TS]

  but yes this is this field like it could there's something to talk about here of these other drugs representative of of [TS]

  these events you know you're right that's exactly In fact that's exactly why would a through stupid that I didn't think. [TS]

  To do [TS]

  or are sinking off I knew you had a You Tube channel that has something to do without objects I kind of lose track of [TS]

  them sometimes it's understandable that they will do. [TS]

  Yeah yeah yeah you're right I hadn't a company I hadn't thought of that I would I mean obviously most of the [TS]

  objectivity videos to focus on the Rossetti but there's no hard and fast rule [TS]

  and we do sometimes freestyle elsewhere so I would do on my personal objects [TS]

  and tell the story of these these on flex one day good idea you know you could you could good idea great you should not [TS]

  you cheaply is for a living I should I should give that a go. I hear that I'm mostly a park after these days. [TS]

  Well it seems like it you know you are you are an online Swiss Army knife very generous of you. [TS]

  Let's let's quickly try my new experimental corner as the final corner in Brady's corner of course. [TS]

  I suggested that we talk about things we are obsessed with as a kid as a little corner. [TS]

  Yeah you brought this up last time [TS]

  and you also Message me this morning asking me to try to think about things I was fascinated with as a child that I [TS]

  feel fascinated with as an adult and I was having a difficult time with this [TS]

  and I felt like you were getting really frustrated with me over its message which is many of our conversation we often [TS]

  on different wavelengths for their instant messaging that's what Clarkson [TS]

  when the something I want to talk about you're like oh yes I mean message I'm like Can I just Koichi Yeah you know what [TS]

  I will I will give you carte blanche to just call me you can just call me any I would never call you with that I would [TS]

  never call you with that warning right now you can just call me it's fine it's fine I'll see that happy Brady face on [TS]

  my phone and unlike every other time when my phone rings and I assume. [TS]

  Ogata must be some kind of emergency I think I can eventually train myself to the think Bono is just Brady [TS]

  and we need to talk on the phone because we can't really talk very well [TS]

  and is the messenger because I am terrible at understanding what your just have you come up with something that you [TS]

  think might fit and I'll tell you if you've done well [TS]

  or not I understand you don't yet understand this corner so I won't judge. [TS]

  Tony [TS]

  and I don't blame you can understand it because basically the the nature of this corner right here I know the nature of [TS]

  the corridor is read Brady's mind yeah yeah OK so that I had something brought that you didn't like [TS]

  but then I realized oh actually maybe there is a little sub sub thing here but. [TS]

  As a kid I was always fascinated by robots I always just love robots as a kid I have lost the little robot toys [TS]

  and as as you do with a kid like you'd think about robots and an amazing future with robots [TS]

  and maybe one day being a robot and like that that was a kind of stuff that I know the kid me used to think about [TS]

  and that adult me still does think about [TS]

  and has the feeling of the future kid me was waiting for is finally arriving [TS]

  but that I am still very interested in developments in robots in the modern world. [TS]

  Does it fit what you were looking for in this this good yeah. [TS]

  Did you have like did you have of oh your robot toys did you have like a fight you for that one that sticks in your [TS]

  mind the most like you have any you know you mentally related robot toys I had tons of Transformers [TS]

  and I had just lost a lot I remember like in wood shop class you had to build something I tried to build a robotic arm [TS]

  and was very sad that of course is just made out of wood and it's not a real working arm that can do anything. [TS]

  Had just trying to I'm just trying to pull it up here because [TS]

  when I was last in America my parents were trying to go through some of the stuff that they had left over from my [TS]

  childhood [TS]

  and one of the things that were going through was as a mentor before on the show that my mom was a flight attendant for [TS]

  United for very many years and [TS]

  when I was a little little kid she used to bring me toys from Japan because Japan was her regular her regular flight [TS]

  and she brought me when I was a little kid. [TS]

  These transformer robots but they were also the letters of the alphabet I had those for forever [TS]

  and I absolutely love them as a little kid [TS]

  and it was a bit of it was it was quite the blast from the past as a grown up to find a box full of these things [TS]

  when I went back and I was going through some old stuff in my parents' house last time I was there. [TS]

  Would you describe yourself as having more of a collective that at shoot to the robot so we head into playing with them [TS]

  unlike bashing them against each other and making them do things would you like to sort of display them [TS]

  and cattle love them and have them on the shelf and collect a set [TS]

  and that So now I was totally into playing with them as a kid I was not a I was not a collector a kid I've always been [TS]

  rather rough with the object that I own so no I was not that I was not displaying them prominently did you have to make [TS]

  robots like you know I kind of Lego McConnell type things. [TS]

  No I never really made robots but I always was very interested in can. [TS]

  Or programming [TS]

  and I was always frustrated by some of the limitations at the time of like you can't really do anything with this in [TS]

  the real world [TS]

  and I do look with envy at some of the stuff that's available for kids these days with relatively simple robotic tools [TS]

  that are programmable and I think oh man I would have loved that as a kid but it was not available to me. [TS]

  Them we sort of like a young visionary [TS]

  and you're aware that the robots of the future wouldn't be these kind of unite humanoid C three POS [TS]

  and they were more likely to be take a different form all was little naive great thinking we'd all have luck [TS]

  Bicentennial Man living in a house and fixing coffee [TS]

  and things like that no no I definitely even as a kid was always thinking like oh these Star Wars robots they're fun [TS]

  but they're almost like trolls [TS]

  or else they're not real that this is not this is not what people working in robotics are really going for so I was I [TS]

  was very interested in like some of the very primitive robotic stuff that was around but I was aware [TS]

  when movies were just being movies like you know the Johnny five movies like short circuit with Johnny Five Alive it's [TS]

  like OK this is just like you would be awesome of robots were like this [TS]

  but this is just a total fantasy even though real robots are real thing [TS]

  but this is not a real representation of of what they are. [TS]

  Robots robots goes on Grace List [TS]

  but the now my understanding is that this corner is really just stuff really want to talk about corner so would you [TS]

  want to bring up my my one for the LIST today that I was obsessed with is going to be extinction the whole idea of X. [TS]

  Animals going extinct like completely fascinated me as I go out I just thought it was luck had everything it had like [TS]

  nature and drama and you know a day [TS]

  and the we didn't bring up your own mortality as well no I just I very rarely extrapolated the extinction of animals to [TS]

  the extinction of humans [TS]

  and I think that's something that came later I think I mean obviously dinosaurs foremost in a young Brady's thinking [TS]

  when he's thinking about animals to go extinct [TS]

  but also as a young Australian I think the the pin up boy for extinction is the Tasmanian tiger. [TS]

  So the thigh listening as it is also known as a little boy [TS]

  and strata aside dinosaurs of course the the the pin up boy of extinction is testimony in Tiger. [TS]

  I am unfamiliar with the Tasmanian tiger. [TS]

  See also you're going to say of course like that's bit of a cliche [TS]

  but then one of these moments where I realize this isn't a striking thing the Silas nane the last one died I think in [TS]

  nineteen thirty six [TS]

  and it's like oh I do know this thing I do know that you know I've seen pictures of this it is one of the Along with [TS]

  like something like the Dodo I think it's one of the cliched animals that went extinct animals. [TS]

  Sorry that's obviously Rio roof a very fast and because I could go to like the South Australian Museum as well [TS]

  and see like a stuffed one certainly is just want to be told they no longer exist that was caught. [TS]

  Scott powerful thing [TS]

  and I think extinction still has quite a powerful hold over certain have my brain what do you think about extinction [TS]

  and you kind of this kind of you know pragmatic Well that's part of you know the way it's the nature works [TS]

  or do you think of as a kind of pollution thing as well that has a has an effect on you I mean it's just it's it's both [TS]

  things that if the problem is I think the term in the industry is talking about charismatic megafauna that we have as [TS]

  humans. [TS]

  Great over emphasis and concern for charismatic big animals [TS]

  and you are much more concerned about the extension extinction of say pandas even [TS]

  when panda's seem to be doing everything they possibly can to make themselves extinct. [TS]

  Pandas just want to lay down for a long sleep and humans will not let them because we love them [TS]

  and their door ball so it's like extinction is a very very broad brush thing where there's many there are many [TS]

  creatures where it's like oh mosquitos if I could snap my fingers [TS]

  and make them all extinct I would so it depends on who you're talking about with extinction would be petted mosquitoes [TS]

  went extinct there one of these things were all but there are porn part of this whatever. [TS]

  Cycle and or they just bad news all around. If I'm a bad news all around. [TS]

  They're bad boys at Iraq thing that I've looked into it is that people usually argue about oh there's so many things [TS]

  that eat mosquitoes but there's nothing that mosquitoes are the majority of its diet and K. [TS]

  So animals would that you know they had they figure things out if the mosquitoes were gone they would just eat some [TS]

  place the more of something else [TS]

  and frankly much more concerned about the suffering of humans than I am about the suffering of mosquitoes. [TS]

  Right [TS]

  or a bird somewhere being slightly more hungry so it has to even additional caterpillar like in the grand scheme of [TS]

  things I'm going to say that the human suffering matters more because humans are able to conceptualize the suffering [TS]

  but doesn't the balance then get thrown out like you say I would've stayed in the bed late next to Caterpillar [TS]

  but then suddenly too many caterpillars get tipped over the balance and then this does [TS]

  and that has been so whenever we mess with things for what we think is the greater good. [TS]

  Don't we always not going up with me what you mean. [TS]

  Always like have you seen civilization is a civilization is nothing but us constantly messing with stuff [TS]

  and the next game it is easy to focus on the part of the west out of our animals What are some animals we've driven to [TS]

  extinction or one that nobody [TS]

  but the OK But now now you're talking about a specific thing about with extinctions you say whenever we know it with a [TS]

  new baby. Example of getting rid of all the mosquito. [TS]

  Yes I'm not saying we should build roads or have cities or have running water [TS]

  but I'm talking about you said you'd be happy to get rid of all the mosquitoes. [TS]

  Yeah I would I would without a doubt I would without a doubt. [TS]

  Snap my fingers and roll the dice on getting rid of all the mosquitoes I'm not even saying you're wrong. [TS]

  Right you're probably right. [TS]

  I'm just wondering if you can for my intellectual curiosity tell me another animal that way. [TS]

  Watch out it's quite possible we have I don't know maybe there is an animal that was just bad news [TS]

  and we got rid of some little bad bug or something it would be. It would be an animal might go to example is polio. [TS]

  Although you can argue whether or not polio is alive or not [TS]

  but that is something that we certainly drove to extinction you know what no one's no one's cry [TS]

  and said here's over polio [TS]

  and how it knocked over the internal ecosystem of humans where do things like any kind of parasites you know that you [TS]

  try to get rid of him he would populations like we've What is it like tapeworms in the United States are basically [TS]

  extinct and you know what the ecosystem in the U.S. [TS]

  Is in isn't worse because of that I'm not going to rule out extinction has universally bad it depends on what is going [TS]

  extinct. I was I don't tweet me environmentalist of the night. [TS]

  Oh I didn't realize clothes just look I went out to get paid to look at an extinct animals before hand because you know [TS]

  I'm no expert at the first one of the top things that came up was that there was a whole page dedicated to animals from [TS]

  Al could out favorite Reunion Island that is going to come yeah which risk which I didn't realize it was such a famous [TS]

  island that has its own extinction page so I thought [TS]

  and I'm going to go through the list profit I'd give a special shout out to the reunion. [TS]

  Swan pen Yeah because you know you are like a tree three things you do you do love your arbitrary high I know I know I [TS]

  I know we've got a soft spot for the African penguin because this one named after you write I was wondering whether [TS]

  or not you'd let me name the reunion swamp in the official bird having internet broadcast no no [TS]

  and I are just if I give you a nice if I give you an inch on that Brady you've been hearing everything the something [TS]

  or other official thing of hello internet how does that if a few How does it affect you. [TS]

  I don't know that we have been since you birds I don't even know how it affects me [TS]

  but shouldn't shouldn't clearly the penguin be the official bird of all the animals you have to pull out of the hat is [TS]

  a community a penguin. [TS]

  Well no I think it should be the reunions won't pan right yet and I'm sticking with that [TS]

  and if you don't if you can give me a better reason why I can't pay. [TS]

  And if we can't have an official bird of the park this is the Google thing all over I don't have any reasons I just [TS]

  feel so resistant to it for thought what was the like if we were going to have like an official flag obviously that's [TS]

  has to be a joint decision. [TS]

  Right Things like the name and logos and things [TS]

  but surely an official bird of the podcast which he couldn't give two hoots about you just let me have an official bit [TS]

  of the park as kind of like you have official I guess the official flower of a podcast like a Florida should probably [TS]

  be that I'm a G. [TS]

  Way sent me I don't think I want to go I want to go with the reunion swamp in as their official bird because I also [TS]

  think it would be a really good trick question in pub quizzes at the future [TS]

  when people are yeah what is the official bird of hello internet. [TS]

  Everyone will say the African penguin right [TS]

  and it's like no question see what exactly the reunion small pen write the extinct reunions want pain that this is like [TS]

  the What animal is are the canary Isles named after like are now is not birds not canaries dogs cannot say so that's [TS]

  what you want. [TS]

  Alright fine for pub trivia purposes you can have your union flop an excellent Now the next thing I want to I want to [TS]

  talk to that reunion swamp and take share. [TS]

  No I was looking at other now that we've now that we've cleared that up I wanted to I also didn't realize this because [TS]

  I'm obviously don't know enough stuff on especially about America [TS]

  but I didn't realize the California gristly on their slack is extinct. [TS]

  I didn't realize that either since it's a nine hundred twenty S. California grizzly look at I'm looking at right now. [TS]

  California good liberal but we still have grizzly bears. [TS]

  Yes yes but not that not that one not that iconic one and extinct species of Ridley [TS]

  but it looks like a grizzly bear I couldn't tell them looking at this picture thinking I can tell the difference [TS]

  between this and a goodly where [TS]

  but I'm looking at a picture of a grizzly bear you have character in fact there's look at this picture [TS]

  and I was like that look just like a grizzly [TS]

  but it the caption was this is a grizzly which is the closest living relative to the thing that we don't have the where [TS]

  they bigger. [TS]

  What was the biggest bear ever see that's the point it was smaller than it's like OK well whatever [TS]

  but if they're bigger than modern Grizzlies than than as a little filing you know that the the loss for hikers in the [TS]

  woods because Americans love things that a big added as if the abbey as a big advantage as a ten percent bigger you [TS]

  know one thing I always notice [TS]

  when I'm in America compared to other countries how much more often the food the merits of food is advertised by the [TS]

  size of it. [TS]

  How else are you supposed to measure food Brady will put that Lee but it's never like this is the healthiest [TS]

  or this is the most delicious all this it's always this is twenty percent bigger than the other one of the it's now [TS]

  fifty percent bigger than it was last week. [TS]

  You now get to you and it's even cheaper than the ways [TS]

  but it's volume I don't know I don't know how else you would measure food that's the right thing with food I was [TS]

  looking up at the American animals that became extinct because anybody care about America most the time. [TS]

  Yeah that's a that's that's fair as human as the ex bath the Jamaican rice rat. [TS]

  Could we have an official Russ right [TS]

  and no we can't have one of the this is exactly this I promise I promise this wasn't planned beforehand this is coming [TS]

  to my head now [TS]

  but I did notice they want to see that point kinds of rice rats with them tell them during the Ross rats you should [TS]

  have read the rest of the thing is you don't have to plan it ahead of time this is just what happens with you I don't [TS]

  like don't get me wrong I wasn't thinking that you were scheming about how can you get an official rice rat I just know [TS]

  this is the path down which we have started now that I have given you an inch [TS]

  and we're going to have an official everything with the pod cast [TS]

  and several pod cast from now we're going to have to have a little section where you decommission the rice rat because [TS]

  you realize how ridiculous it is because the rice red community didn't respond to you with the gratefulness that you [TS]

  thought you should have received. [TS]

  That's where this initial Let's read a book going I think it would be brilliant to have an official rice rat have many [TS]

  pod cast can claim to have official Rice threats and imagine if all of a podcast [TS]

  or decided they would like another one decided that they would have the marsh Rice read that original rice rat I don't [TS]

  even know to Russ right is I'm not even looking at the page because it doesn't even matter. [TS]

  Even matter what it is clear that is the Brady fascination that the well well well I'm calling it the Jamaican rights [TS]

  right the official right throughout the broadcast that [TS]

  when your other anyway we must get an official flag of the podcast. [TS]

  Yeah we have that we do [TS]

  but you must we do have to dig for it could have a little I could never do Jamaican Russ right at the center of it. [TS]

  No we already have two designs that we're talking about we have we have to narrow down from the two that we've got sick [TS]

  but that's news to me it's very good news you have to tell me what those two you might send me the to know the Sydney [TS]

  one the other day and you said no I want to think about it and you never got back to me that sounds possible. [TS]

  Extenuate was talking about extinctions at some point [TS]

  but I think I think we've probably would said that to my list of things I was obsessed with the cicada along with [TS]

  volcanoes and I think we have extincted that topic it is we're done with all right now I would [TS]

  and now before we move on I would just like to give a moment's silence to the extinct Jamaican restaurants fish [TS]

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  Last pod cast as many put cats before we found speaking about flags the Super Bowl of flags that is currently going on [TS]

  in New Zealand [TS]

  and boy has it been a drama full couple of weeks since we put out that pod casts could we have times the podcast any [TS]

  better basically came out the day before they put their long list down to a short list of four it's almost like they [TS]

  reacted to a podcast and we kind of set the wheels turning in New Zealand I said I carry Brady and grass bike [TS]

  and it's time for us to sort this crap out. [TS]

  Honestly it felt that way to me even though I have to keep reminding myself like you know New Zealand didn't do this [TS]

  because you just relief the podcast but somehow in my mind the next day [TS]

  when everyone was saying that they've come out with a short as I was like oh yeah I'm glad they finally did that now [TS]

  that we have if you have given them the kick in the butt necessary to get the next stage of this moving [TS]

  but there was not a reason to look into incidents [TS]

  but I did find my brain somehow taking credit for the so they have narrowed it down to four. [TS]

  Amongst which they must choose one to go head to head with the current flag some steps. [TS]

  Yeah so now here's the thing as I was a little bit confused [TS]

  when we were talking last time because last time we were talking about the I said the short list because I thought we [TS]

  were at the shortlist stage but in the last episode I should have been talking about the long list that with the four. [TS]

  Already. Semifinalists in this competition. [TS]

  Thirty nine because one got struck out on copyright grounds and so what I thought was going to happen. [TS]

  Was Of those forty I thought that forty was going to be put to a vote in the Alternative Vote method that they are [TS]

  using in New Zealand where people could say all right one two three four there was in my favorites [TS]

  and then I'm done with it that's what I thought was going to happen but that is not what happened. [TS]

  The committee then selected Of those thirty nine four and the [TS]

  and those four are the ones that New Zealanders are going to vote on that that is what is going to happen next. [TS]

  Says I have a public via on those four and then another public vote on the winner of those four versus the current one. [TS]

  Yes that's what's going to happen and both these votes done with people turning up to the polls [TS]

  or is there some kind of online component to this seems silly to have people actually go to the polls twice this is a [TS]

  question I don't know if I don't know if they're going to physical polls for the vote [TS]

  or if it can be done online if New Zealand is one of those modern countries like is Donia that has their act together [TS]

  and let people vote on things online [TS]

  or if like America you still need to treasure out to the physical voting polls somewhere I do not know the answer to [TS]

  that. [TS]

  OK Anyway even this narrowing it down to four has plenty to talk about yes this has been I would say quite contentious. [TS]

  So if. [TS]

  If we look at that if we look at the for there is the core root design I know I mentioned last time which is the black [TS]

  and white spiral design is the best movie scribe it yeah there is one flag that is just a fern going across the [TS]

  diagonal and one half of the flag is white with the fern having black leaves [TS]

  and the other half is the flag is black with the fern having white leaves [TS]

  and then they chose to designs that are exactly. [TS]

  The same except for a palette swap with have the New Zealand fern on the left side of the flag basically [TS]

  and the Southern Cross on the right side of the flag and one of urgent of this is red white and blue [TS]

  and one version of this is black white and blue but they are essentially the same flag [TS]

  but this means that of the four designs two are functionally identical [TS]

  and three are very very similar because the other black [TS]

  and white fern flag the furnace in the same kind of diagonal direction it's just missing the Southern Cross [TS]

  but it's really three very similar flags one different flag [TS]

  and I have to say we were discussing last time that the Zealand had just an over abundance of excellent flags to choose [TS]

  from. Yeah and this narrowing down to four is terrible it rich sites I've snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. [TS]

  Yeah yeah I have to agree with us be I'm going to lay my cards on the table right now I'm a big fan of the courtroom [TS]

  design the black and white spiral I like that I think if I was living in New Zealand there's no choice [TS]

  but to vote for that one just I think it's the best of these four [TS]

  but even to me it feels like if that wins it is an illegitimate victory because it is up against. [TS]

  The mediocre east of competitions and also just hard to differentiate. [TS]

  Competitions so it even if even if the core ruins I will feel like I was it should have been up against stronger flags [TS]

  and one so I'm looking at this I'm thinking if I have to put money on the table I might actually predict the New [TS]

  Zealand doesn't end up changing their flag. [TS]

  Geno why it has occurred to me that is how thing has been sabotaged this is what happened with this trial Ian in my [TS]

  opinion which is just not just one person [TS]

  but I'm going to cut out the In my opinion poll Yeah you just gotta tell you story and I've made mention of before [TS]

  but there was this famously a lot of a stratagems thought that strategy should become a republic [TS]

  and then there was a group that thought we should stay you know under the under the Monica a manner [TS]

  and it was a strong feeling that the reason we stayed as part of the monarchy was that the the vote between the [TS]

  Republicans was very cleverly split it almost like they think they pitched at the Republicans against each other about [TS]

  which model of Republicanism should be used right. [TS]

  They split the Republican vote and therefore the morning he won the day. [TS]

  Fair enough and then [TS]

  and you were using a first past the post vote so yes the strategy is to split the alternatives are to split the [TS]

  opposition [TS]

  and then yeah so that I feel like that's kind of what's happened if you wanted to keep the current New Zealand flag the [TS]

  best thing you could do is serve a bunch of lame options. [TS]

  And it almost I ask I mean not a New Zealand politics from Adam but it almost feels like maybe that's what happened [TS]

  but there's a few things to talk about here is lot going on I don't necessarily think it's a bunch of lame options [TS]

  but [TS]

  but the problem that I think with these three similar fern flags is that it makes it hard for anybody to feel like they're [TS]

  really backing one of them because it almost makes you doubt yourself when you look at them [TS]

  and you think who do I like it better with black in the corner or do I like it better with red in the corner. [TS]

  They should have just pick one flag with this fern design in the stars and then had two other different flags [TS]

  and make the choice clear for people I just think it even people who would have liked one of these flags under other [TS]

  circumstances will find their like of the flag diminished by now. [TS]

  Second guessing themselves with color palettes or slightly different design elements. [TS]

  Oprah is this not a son maybe of Michu a decision making I mean if you were designing the hello internet logo which he [TS]

  did by the way when you were designing the hello internet. [TS]

  I'm sure you thought of a few different things and then use eroding what you wanted as you got further [TS]

  and further down the process and I'm sure towards the end you probably had the big shot in the middle [TS]

  and you just you just faffing about with little mana changes to the border [TS]

  and slight changes of the shade of gray that you were thinking about and should dismiss a bit to the left [TS]

  and a bit to the right as you get closer to a decision would it not be the case that all your options start looking [TS]

  more and more similar and you're just fine shooting pallets and colors [TS]

  and if they are getting close to their final flag does not make sense that you've got to the signed with slight color [TS]

  differences I disagree because I think this is you're talking about the work of one designer working on one thing so [TS]

  this is what you should expect the designers of each of these individual flags to be doing like I'm sure the guy who [TS]

  was designing the core rule was homing in on that design [TS]

  and then figuring how far over do I want the spiral to be how thick should the spiral be that's very natural for that [TS]

  kind of work so you think that process is over [TS]

  and done with that at the time for that finishes what you're saying what I'm saying is that process is how you come up [TS]

  with the individual designs but the whole thing with the committee is selection between designs [TS]

  and so I feel like a fundamental part of that is to pick different designs. [TS]

  Right and to let people vote on them and so that's why I just I don't agree that this is like a narrowing down. [TS]

  Situation [TS]

  and you don't think the committee saying look we actually think they in day is the best the one with his pal a switch [TS]

  from red and black [TS]

  but we don't know which one of the which color should be there so we went eagerness to decide on their own by the way [TS]

  he's a career [TS]

  when another fair I wouldn't be surprised if this is a result of the the commission themselves having some split [TS]

  between these two color pallet swaps [TS]

  and this is almost almost the app absolute perfect example of bike shedding right where everybody likes to argue about [TS]

  the color of a thing and there are guys he couldn't you couldn't have just made the decision [TS]

  and pick pick one of the like this is your job as a committee as it I feel that there's something weird going on with [TS]

  the decision making here [TS]

  and then part of the scandal of what has happened in the past several weeks is that one of the women on the committee [TS]

  had to admit that you have a conflict of interest because she's on some government board which is which has the job of [TS]

  spreading the fern imagery across the great nation of New Zealand. [TS]

  Oh OK Well that's interesting [TS]

  and then we get three of these designs it's as if it's been it's been an interesting an interesting process to watch [TS]

  and see if you want to mention the the copyright thing. [TS]

  Well well there is that to actually suspected this last time because last time [TS]

  when we were talking eventually how you thought the versions of the firm that was being used. [TS]

  Didn't quite ring truth a little narrow bit rounder denied lacked the nice ages of the one associated with the opex [TS]

  rugby team the best land on the best looking one [TS]

  and a has turned out that that not slightly look better looking one used by the rugby Association was sort of struck [TS]

  out because of copyright the Brooke because we you know Eason asinine So the had to kind of slightly adapt it [TS]

  and make it look a bit different so they could get around this copyright issue which goes some way to explaining why [TS]

  the fans. [TS]

  Do look a bit different I think the rugby people should have you know been the big man here [TS]

  and let it go I think New Zealand you had one job your job was to have a black flag on it that's all you had to do. [TS]

  And the rugby people had to step aside and say look we're so awesome and I like I say [TS]

  or some of that now transcends just rugby [TS]

  and it's also going to be a flag that actually probably has some benefit in my it hasn't benefited them I can [TS]

  understand what their concerns with the pain but I think there had to step aside or the government had stepping [TS]

  but they had one job they still had an option that was the fan on the black flag that didn't make the final and [TS]

  and they haven't done a and I think it's I think there are bunch of silly beliefs [TS]

  and one of the arguments that was going around is this how it looks like ISIS especially I guess [TS]

  when it's not flying probably interactive might look like this. [TS]

  Islamic state flag that a lot of people associated with the you know hosts [TS]

  and people think it might look a bit nasty [TS]

  and the dumb argument I think that Saddam I can you know make a decision about a flag for the indefinite future based [TS]

  on the particulars of politics today and the black is such a striking color on a flag [TS]

  and unlike many other nations like New Zealand has a legitimate claim to the color black. [TS]

  If you if you have that you run with that if the either thing is dumb enough to serve absolutely dumb. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and it was well the prime minister who play didn't said that to be black on the flag a current member who was in having [TS]

  a look now it was a year the Prime Minister John Key said he wasn't Kanan on a black background. [TS]

  Another interesting thing that's come up I'm sure there are other things you want to talk about great is there's been [TS]

  this kind of a light contender for an for a new flag to be thrown into the mix. [TS]

  Yes this fifth this fifth option a locked case or minds me a bit of that. [TS]

  That Dan Brown book was the Dan Brown book that set the Vatican and when they're and they're voting on the pope and [TS]

  and the last minute they just have a wild card comes in the room and they Aleck Tim like by acclamation [TS]

  and he wasn't even part of the original vote. [TS]

  I quite like I was even the happen in the West Wing as well [TS]

  when the Democrats were deciding who was going to replace bottom I had like a last minute person come in here [TS]

  and they've gone through the primaries I know I like the idea of that some some last minute flag coming in [TS]

  and not been properly vetted and sweeping in and becoming a contender. What do you think of that flag. [TS]

  Yeah and look at this a thing that has happened it has been that big of an Internet campaign for this flag. [TS]

  Called the red peak and this is their minds me of you showed me that flag for Earth awhile back [TS]

  and one of the pod cast where someone had done a mock up of how does the flag for Earth look under various situations [TS]

  how does it look in space how does it look you know on the side of a building on the side of a ship [TS]

  and someone has done that for this red peak slag [TS]

  and while I was not really sold on that flag of Earth I have looked at this red peak design and I have thought. [TS]

  Sold I am one hundred percent sold on this I think it looks good I think it's a strong option [TS]

  and they like this to me is exactly the kind of different sort of design that should have been in the final four min [TS]

  it's very different for the listeners the red peak is if you imagine there is a triangle upright in the center like a [TS]

  pyramid from the base of the flag up to the top middle of the flag that is white there is a smaller red triangle within [TS]

  it that is the red peak and then the left hand side the space above the triangle is black [TS]

  and the right hand side the space of the triangle is blue. [TS]

  Saw I would say like first glance you don't I say it's like a Red Mountain with snow all over it and the sky [TS]

  and one half is black [TS]

  and the sky on the other half is below its beautiful Brady It's that pure poetry which is saying there. [TS]

  That's exactly right to New Zealand doesn't amount [TS]

  and says Say Yeah it does it does in the design page runs through why they talk about it [TS]

  and this to me just seems like it should something like this. [TS]

  Or this flag should have been in the final for something different something that is unrelated to traditional images in [TS]

  the way that we think of it like you can you have four options pick one that is something modern That is just something [TS]

  different even though I generally think that the the colors red white and blue are way over used on flags. [TS]

  Something about the ratios [TS]

  and the way this is done doesn't bother me at all it doesn't faze me in the slightest those red white [TS]

  and blue so I think this is a really really strong design contender for a New Zealand flag my problem with the red [TS]

  paper is that it doesn't like a national flag to me it looks like a semi for signaling flag [TS]

  or it looks like something that you should be using to communicate to another ship to keep to the left [TS]

  or something it doesn't say nation to me it says like I've got utility I'm just a useful flag that's used in a car race [TS]

  to warn you that this oil on the track ahead things like that I can see where you with me that comparison [TS]

  but I like it I think it's I think it's a good design if red paint had made a into the short list against Corey which [TS]

  would you have gone full access as a tough question I I might still go for Kaoru overread peak [TS]

  but this going back to my earlier complaint would feel like if Core one it would be a legitimate win [TS]

  and of course the last I could have no complaint with red peak as the victor that's minus all thought some I'm looking [TS]

  at it right now there is a there's a petition on Change dot org that needs fifty thousand supporters to I don't know [TS]

  whatever the trying to reach on on on change dot org But they're trying to hit fifty thousand petitions enters to get [TS]

  the red peak flag as an option for the fifth flag in the referendum I think they have exactly a snowball's chance in [TS]

  hell of ever getting this on the referendum vote no matter how many people signed the petition [TS]

  but I am still going to tweet it right after the pod cast because they have twenty four hours ago [TS]

  and they are about three thousand signatures short so I would like to help them get to their goal if I possibly can [TS]

  even though I don't think they even if they make it they're going to get on to the referendum [TS]

  but they totally should be there. If if coterie wins would you vote for that over the existing use own flag. [TS]

  I would vote for. Kaoru over the existing New Zealand flag without a doubt same with rhetoric. [TS]

  Would you vote for either of the other three finalists if they make it through versus the existing is in fact which of [TS]

  course is a moot point as you get to vote at all [TS]

  but you have of course not I get voted off I mean here's here's the thing I just don't think New Zealand flag is great [TS]

  at being a flag again it is not distinct its conflicts too confusing with us trail you it's it's too much in the past [TS]

  so I would vote for pretty much anything over it [TS]

  and if I'm ordering it I would go yes a Koran number one red peek Number two I would do just the black [TS]

  and white silver fern as number three the black and blue silver fern with the Southern Cross next [TS]

  and at the bottom of my list would be the major league baseball looking flag which is the red white [TS]

  and blue silver fern with the with the Stars The problem with the ones combining the Stop the phone [TS]

  and sort of the Louis look of the out flag is the one thing I shouldn't do [TS]

  and that is it's it's the one thing you fear a committee would do is compromise and have a bit of everything. [TS]

  Yeah that's exactly right [TS]

  and like we were site isn't this great looking this is a great dive dive in Boulder CO great designs that I've been [TS]

  really visionary that all sorts of cool stuff and then they sat down as a committee [TS]

  and then made the committee decision made a big plan stupid compromise what's your order here Brady because on my list [TS]

  implicitly the current New Zealand flag is at the bottom so how would you arrange things including the current New [TS]

  Zealand flag you know this how splitting the vote to keep the existing fled conspiracy theory. [TS]

  List just about worked on my file would file would almost hold off and say let's give another ten years [TS]

  and come back when this G.P. [TS]

  Committees overtired [TS]

  and that's get decent committee to know of it you can't do that Brady because that is like the alternative vote. [TS]

  Thing that happened in the U.K. [TS]

  Where the whole campaign to split the vote was well if we if we change to Alternative Vote now than will never change [TS]

  in the future [TS]

  and that is not a valid argument if you can make progress now even if it's not all the progress you want you should [TS]

  take it so you take a smiley face just to get rid of the existing flag I'm saying progress I don't think a smiley face [TS]

  flag I well for having current you do since I finished my so I said it's almost worked on me OK. [TS]

  I wouldn't take the car I'm sorry I think I think it's I carry I think it's I don't think it looks like a flag at the [TS]

  works you don't have to like the flag so I wouldn't I won't take the car I would take the black [TS]

  and white fair because it's the closest to what they should be doing right OK so the black [TS]

  and white fern is your number one yeah. [TS]

  Bodhi narrative the current New Zealand are recruiting read pick let's include red peak I'm including repeat the [TS]

  current New Zealand flag is my number two number two red Paik is my number three number three black and blue thing. [TS]

  Kaoru red and blue thing they have ever had and flew for it is just awful. [TS]

  Yeah it's just it's so look like Major League Baseball to me but I just have set up for [TS]

  when I say again I cannot believe they didn't get the plain black flag with the silver fern on it's it's amazing to me [TS]

  and mazing the papal Geneve the people didn't even get say Ana you know I can understand why the people in charge of [TS]

  the All Blacks might might want to fight the government. [TS]

  About using the same flag I can understand that [TS]

  but it is just a real shame that that's the way things of things have gone down because you you are totally right as I [TS]

  said I think you said the first time we've ever discussed as you said it was the most obvious choice in the world [TS]

  and look where we are now. [TS]

  Good luck New Zealand's good luck I don't know [TS]

  when the vote happens I see what happens immediately after this pod cast goes I was just I was just reading it looks [TS]

  like I must be online or because [TS]

  or by mail because it goes for a long time choosing between the for the first referendum goes from twenty November to [TS]

  eleven December for a long time [TS]

  and then the Super Bowl next year between the two is the third to the twenty fourth of March. [TS]

  We'll follow up then with live commentary but for now from maybe from Gray from the reunion swamp in [TS]

  and from the Jamaican rice rat have a pleasant evening. We're having technical difficulties. Be happening. [TS]

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