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  We need to go no go for recording the five a deputy go hijack go face time go show don't go. [TS]

  Roger that we are go for launch. [TS]

  I hear you went to a balloon festival of some sort I went to a balloon festival with the Bristol International Balloon [TS]

  Fiesta. [TS]

  Balloon Fiesta that sounds even better than a festival I don't think that's like them being silly I think that's what [TS]

  you call the balloon fiesta so I think that's what you call the police first of all I think that's like the [TS]

  acknowledged name like the collective noun maybe a fiesta [TS]

  or below are here what is the collective noun for hot air balloons. [TS]

  I'm shakin with is like their first degree search of the poker if you are what fifteen seconds in [TS]

  and already there is some Brady keyboard typing that I'm going to be cutting out collective noun for billions. [TS]

  Adrift of hot air balloons. According to one person than this and I am shocked. [TS]

  Are No hang on there's there's all sorts of things here there's heart some silly ones here so I think some of these [TS]

  and a victory I don't really believe most of these collective Now there I think is just people making up words [TS]

  and you know how we feel about people making up words. It's delightful and it's of them that way. [TS]

  Reboot of hot air balloon a free bit of infringements that's what it would be a free version of infringed. [TS]

  Yeah so I did go to the Bristol International Balloon Fiesta for for a day and got a special V.I.P. [TS]

  Packing purse I've got to go into the balloonist carpark got me know I needed to get me really close to the action [TS]

  but it also meant you could get out really easily. [TS]

  Which is very handy because two hundred thousand people went to go and one of those [TS]

  and getting it out for civilians is an absolute nightmare. [TS]

  Like hours and hours it takes to get out [TS]

  but I went straight to the emergency road with all the vans that chasing the balloon so I had a I had a much better [TS]

  experience than the average Joe. I'm going to be honest here he told me you went to this this hot air balloon fiesta. [TS]

  What I had in my mind was some little local event with you know a few hobbyist hot air balloon hit I guess [TS]

  but two hundred thousand people that's a serious that the serious number of people this is this is a really do is for [TS]

  real to I mean I went to every morning and evening throughout the event which goes for three [TS]

  or four days later these mass a sense where a whole bunch of balloons or sort of take of together and I reckon sixty [TS]

  or seventy must've gone from on I made a video I sent it. [TS]

  I mean you saw the video [TS]

  and that's just some of the balloons going up it's to big thing you getting images what I was googling for Actually I [TS]

  was thinking how big our balloon festivals because the only one I know off the top of my head is the one that happened [TS]

  in New Mexico every Yeah I mean that's the granddaddy of them all this [TS]

  and I thought oh this is why I was thinking we are that's going to be my scale of comparison here because I think [TS]

  that's the biggest one and I don't see numbers of people [TS]

  but numbers of balloons is five hundred at the New Mexico one so you figure the one that you went to is just slightly [TS]

  less than half as big as the biggest That's pretty impressive and it's in your backyard. [TS]

  I mean Bristol is one of the world capitals of hot air ballooning the the biggest hot air balloon company in the world [TS]

  is based here in a couple of other ones it's a it's a hotbed of hot air ballooning here pursue [TS]

  and quite often in the evening you to say want to tell you flying H No if the weather is good [TS]

  but this is a this is quite I saw it when the when the fiesta [TS]

  and you say that you be I was driving home one of the other dice along the murder weapon just looked at the left [TS]

  and you just see dozens and dozens [TS]

  and dozens of balloons just like zooming passes it's quite amazing the idea of of just on [TS]

  and on a normal day looking up in the sky [TS]

  and seeing a hot air balloon floating along doing a little thing that sounds delightful. That's. [TS]

  I don't like a really a really nice thing to randomly see in the sky just a that a happy little hot air balloon [TS]

  floating along I have a real special relationship hot air balloons Toyota the years I've three Some films are my reach [TS]

  out [TS]

  and i even if you know about that there was a a scientist at the University of Nottingham who in her spare time with this [TS]

  amazing world record hot air balloon assist who did only is amazing things [TS]

  and she talked to the university into buying her a hot air balloon it became the University of Nottingham hot air [TS]

  balloon with all the branding all over [TS]

  and I sort of followed her through the journey of having it made him I wish I actually went on its first flight over [TS]

  the Swiss Alps and things like that so I had this like quite a long standing relationship with balloons and [TS]

  and this particular balloonist who really sadly actually then died she got she got cancer [TS]

  and daughters really really sad and she always was a really really amazing lady [TS]

  and making these videos with her was one of the reprieve religious of my life [TS]

  and I still can't see a hot air balloon without thinking if I had I was Jennifer oaks and she's an amazing woman [TS]

  but because of her I have this real love an interest in how Evelyn's So [TS]

  when I moved to Bristowe it was grassing are going to this balloon fiesta [TS]

  and for the first couple of years I was here for some reason I just never went [TS]

  but this time I finally went I went to the master sent to fight a battle civilian areas it was great it was really good. [TS]

  Are definitely beginning again. Yeah you're going to become a regular. [TS]

  Yeah I have learned you spend a lot of time waiting around when you follow the Hot air balloons [TS]

  and do things with hot air balloons. There is a lot of down time. [TS]

  Yeah well I noticed the the footage on the video that you sent me is sped up in many places. [TS]

  Yes billions are very slow and very very just gentle manatees of the air as it were there. [TS]

  Sailing along would you go in one. [TS]

  Now Never Now I get a creepy feeling in my feet just thinking about being in a hot air balloon over the Alps he feels [TS]

  surprisingly safe in them I found the walls of the basket. [TS]

  The Lehigh Yeah you never feel like you're going to fall are anything although I have to say I did one of the other [TS]

  events I went to with Janet was this balloon is called the cordon alone rice [TS]

  and this is actually different balanced this is. They fill balloons up with harsh in this isn't how dare they. [TS]

  Susan up with Hartigan and then they just all take off on our race and in this case they just all went across Europe [TS]

  and who have a goes the furthest before they have to land. [TS]

  Wins and obviously you can't top top up the heart each [TS]

  and you can only just let off white so that's how the races were P.C. [TS]

  and It's almost a bit of a it's bit of a blinking contest if you know who's going to blink first [TS]

  and I hope they'll just go for it [TS]

  and Janet break a world record on one of them for so women balloonist her another woman broke the distance record for [TS]

  women but on this particular When I went to A R I went and waited [TS]

  and I watched them all a for it was an amazing sight I made a video and I'll put some links in the shyness [TS]

  or people who who want to watch the race but on that particular race one of the balloons the went missing and the [TS]

  and the people in it are they they go into a storm and couldn't get out and plunged into the ocean. [TS]

  It's it's it's not without risk [TS]

  and rice everyone so I saying these famous videos of the ones that catch fire it's not good P.R. [TS]

  For balance but I think they're pretty safe. [TS]

  I'm very surprised to hear you say that there are still balloons that use hydrogen because of course the only thing I [TS]

  can think of is the hidden Burke I thought out didn't we stop with the hydrogen at that point this is quite a [TS]

  specialized This isn't like touristy stuff this is a very special rice for the pros you know over a simple though the [TS]

  gigantic sack of hydrogen would want to be in a lightning storm. [TS]

  Flying one of those know it I think that's what happened to those people who died the other was Reserve. [TS]

  When they do balloons on air crash investigation to somebody right up whatever it is that the P C R B reports that you [TS]

  like so much I'm sure that I don't know I've never read a hot air balloon crash investigation report [TS]

  but I'm sure the N.T.S.B. Does investigate them say yeah it's a V. [TS]

  Shape right someone has to write a report on Maginnis them I don't know for sure you've never seen a hot air balloon on [TS]

  air crash investigators I don't believe I have one thing I did want to talk about from from all of this is it did occur [TS]

  to me while I was watching all these balloons taking off and two hundred thousand people watching. [TS]

  Absolutely captivated [TS]

  and I think probably ninety percent of them taking photos was vetted of us advertising billboard hot air balloons are I [TS]

  think they're a great way to advertise most of them I think are sponsored by companies smart able anus get some company [TS]

  to pay for the balloon have their name on it and I've got a toy to play with for the next five years [TS]

  and the company's got a big flying advert for the next five years there I think they're wonderful wonderful adds a [TS]

  public relations. Machines hot air balloons because who does who doesn't love them. [TS]

  There's nothing but good will towards them. [TS]

  Everyone loves whether you're scared of going into my not everyone loves a hot air balloon that's exactly what I said [TS]

  before it is a one in the sky and it makes you smile [TS]

  and then you think of Bob's burger joint has also helped make that thing fly Exactly exactly. [TS]

  I mean it was a genius public relations move by the University of Nottingham to to give Janet the money for herbal [TS]

  or because she traveled all around the world with a you know there wasn't lying over this for saps in fact on that [TS]

  first few days. [TS]

  Flurry I took a photograph of it flying over the Swiss Alps just just with my normal Cameron I'm no one winning [TS]

  photographer but when you've got a hot air balloon and mountains you almost can't go wrong. [TS]

  I took me aside and thought nothing else nothing of it [TS]

  and a couple of years later I was in the office of the the vice chancellor of the university [TS]

  and there's a huge framed picture of the balloon flying over the mountains [TS]

  and I was in the waiting room waiting to meet him and I was like. [TS]

  That's bloody My photo I don't know how it ended up with him I don't know he got I oversee gave it to the university to [TS]

  to use and it got blown up to the sort of the size of a window [TS]

  and friends because they didn't didn't burst into his office and accuse him of copyright [TS]

  and for your best action the University of Notre Dame a good people [TS]

  but it was quite it was quite amazing I'm sitting there looking at and I'm not that's my psych I might sing at [TS]

  but it [TS]

  but what that reason I make that I make the point is that it shows what wonderful public relations things out that with [TS]

  all the great things these big universities to the post of the how uni the thing they don't have up on the wall this is [TS]

  what I believe. Everyone loves going to play. Yes impressive and it's fun. [TS]

  Other I wonder what the rates are for advertising on hot air balloons I mean I don't think they're interchangeable like [TS]

  that I think you know the envoy like as it's called the balloon so if it is a pretty pair been thing I think you can [TS]

  chop and change the ads so I think it's it's a one off isn't it. [TS]

  I mean one of the problems for how ever learns is that not clickable that's one of the weird things in the world of [TS]

  advertising is precisely these these brand moments so you can definitely say that the University of Nottingham for [TS]

  example gets a lot of friendly P.R. [TS]

  and A lot of recognition from people around the world from seeing the University of Nottingham on the balloon [TS]

  but yes you can't you can't track it like we do with our advertisements where there is a code that the advertisers know [TS]

  then exactly I go what's the return on investment for advertising on various things you never have any idea what the [TS]

  return on investment for advertising on a hot air balloon is [TS]

  or even just just regular old billboard advertising it's very hard to have any idea about how much is that worth in [TS]

  terms of just a raw R O Y calculation I mean your rights it must be a nightmare and to measure [TS]

  but it's still a very real thing and a very important thing that happiness that people feel is real [TS]

  but it is impossible to put a number on how much should we spend on hot air balloons this year it's not me the [TS]

  happiness that's a real value like it does convert into stuff I mean there's no better example than the videos I make [TS]

  with the University of Nottingham and I now go to the university as of city before [TS]

  and I'll walk around there now because I've been doing this way too long. [TS]

  Lots of people come up to me [TS]

  and say oh you know you were that Brady got you know I go to this university because of those videos I watch them [TS]

  when I was SCO and I really love them and therefore I chose the University of Nottingham and you can measure that [TS]

  and the university probably doesn't know how many people are there for that reason [TS]

  or how many people are there because they want so the balloon and they're probably right we'll know that [TS]

  but it was still money well spent a time well spent say that has to be very strange for you to know that there. [TS]

  There are students at the university directly because of your work I think of you like that's a very one to one [TS]

  relationship between you make videos [TS]

  and people make changes in the whole rest of their life based on those those videos are [TS]

  and if it's one to one because obviously they're really amazing people in my videos [TS]

  and a lot of other people involved in them it's not just me who makes them [TS]

  but in terms of that video to the person relationship is it is amazing I always joke with people who say that I say [TS]

  don't make any decisions based on May ninth I know where the cheese grater is in my house yelling what university [TS]

  should go to set a record of the University of Nottingham if you're unsure. [TS]

  Yes and when they say where did you hear about us. You write down. [TS]

  Brady's video Brady Haran Brady hair I'd love a big Ghraib alone with H.R. [TS]

  and The big doctor square on that how cool with that I think there would look really good on a balloon that would be [TS]

  quite strike I wonder if Gray is like an illegal color for a balloon [TS]

  when you shouldn't use because it like midges into the sky [TS]

  and it becomes a hazard because I can't think of many great hot air balloons I've seen over the years [TS]

  and I've seen quite a few. [TS]

  There might be a lower gets greater loads I wonder maybe maybe you could put blinking lights around it you could get [TS]

  around that we don't have the docs could blink the hot air balloon you would have loved that was being tested at this [TS]

  particular Fiesta was a solar powered hot air balloon and basically it was all Pete was pretty much mostly black [TS]

  and so could absorb all the hate to heat up the air to keep in the air. [TS]

  Oh a cover [TS]

  and you would have loved how it looked it was like a kind of at night just looked Co It looked it looked bad ass didn't [TS]

  get a picture of it I didn't see it the day I was there [TS]

  but I say it's a video of a savable that would take some pictures up to show people it was made by Cameron balloons up [TS]

  with a few are doing a search for an you can't tell [TS]

  when I'm typing now because they don't have my quick you work hard now I can tell that worry me [TS]

  and you can still you can still tell picked her. [TS]

  Oh OK I see this one I think this one has [TS]

  or has it has the the stripe it's a symmetrical little bit black on one side white on the other it's cold looking it is [TS]

  very cool looking very cool looking. [TS]

  Interesting does have burners on board in case of you know the sun getting blocked [TS]

  and things by Laura has to have been as well to heat up if it has burners on board in case of clouds I certainly hope [TS]

  so even the world of hot air balloons has technological progress within it. Oh yeah definitely. [TS]

  Let's move on from whatever lines what we got in the follow up list here that we have a lot I think you wanted to talk [TS]

  about how wrong I was on the Internet you were rooting for him to I mean surely you should know by the out you should [TS]

  never state something as effect on the progress because never will immediately go and look and if it is not a fact. [TS]

  You're going to hear about [TS]

  but I get this is this I thought was funny we're talking now about the neutral video that we mentioned offhandedly last [TS]

  time and having the same number of thumbs up and thumbs down [TS]

  and this is an interesting experience because again my Twitter feed is filled with nothing [TS]

  but pictures that are all the thumbnail of the that image of the guy in the future on the clip [TS]

  and then someone circling below at the number of thumbs up or thumbs down being slightly off. [TS]

  The thing that's interesting to me about this is I feel OK I make these You Tube videos that lots of people watch [TS]

  and I will have little errors in those videos and I hear [TS]

  when he's you know what a lesson about errors in my videos now than I do an offhanded remark which I'm clearly not even [TS]

  backing on the pod cast says I I was just speculating I believe that maybe this was hard coded into you do because I've [TS]

  never seen it be different and a holy God have I heard from people about how it's different. [TS]

  So it does seem that your speculation is correct that it is community powered [TS]

  and not hard coded which is impressive because there are many of these videos around You Tube [TS]

  and it seems that almost all of them are within five or so always of being the same on the mess up and thumbs down. [TS]

  Grey Nomads a diligent nerds are diligent The Probably a few people watching them with with O.C.D. [TS]

  Making sure to keep it even as much as possible. [TS]

  Yeah so another little piece of follow up with something Atia got to tell you about which was a nice little story let's [TS]

  talk about ports for a second OK you having you're having a million about your airport you hate so much. [TS]

  Douglas I do love a good moan about an airport. [TS]

  Yeah especially Dallas Daily I do love a good moan about Dulles is actually what you know if there are many nice [TS]

  airports that I travel through about which I'd say nothing. [TS]

  Welcome talk endlessly about the less which I hate I wonder if like the head of published it in public relations at [TS]

  Dulles Airport get stuck chills down their spine every time you have ever into its relation. [TS]

  Yeah he has a Google Alert out that thirty hello internet Pigford mentions of Dulles to know if you need to go into [TS]

  into P.R. [TS]

  Damage mode I don't even talk last time about the birds that were flying there is a Others too much to complain about. [TS]

  Can't even mention everything that happens every time I go there in a committee meeting right now saying am I going to [TS]

  pay this great gotta show up today there was a distro to you [TS]

  but if you praying you're going to read this one dollars Airport I will not accept your advertising dollars dollars [TS]

  Airport was to give us money for a P.R. [TS]

  Spot you would have to read that one I think [TS]

  and I'd charge them double you take that maybe he just wouldn't do the raid Yeah I think maybe that would even be [TS]

  better let me tell you about an airport Well actually I have it is kind of a problem for the airport [TS]

  but it wasn't a problem for me and it became a wonderful experience. [TS]

  OK When I arrived at Marrakesh a few weeks back now will set the front of the plane so we got our first [TS]

  and we got to the passport control fast [TS]

  and there were lots of people standing around as there often are at these airports in exotic countries the culturally I [TS]

  don't understand lots of people standing around. [TS]

  None of them seem to be doing any work except for one guy who was stamping passports [TS]

  and because we are at the front of the Kerry we quit straight three we were first ones very absolute berries [TS]

  and I think behind us there must have been some family of eighteen people who all want to carry through together [TS]

  and half of them didn't have their passports or something because whatever happened with the we went through [TS]

  and then there was a long long long time before anyone else was going to get three [TS]

  and I was waiting at the luggage carousel with my wife and all the bags started coming out [TS]

  and obviously there was no I want to take them we were the only people in the bank it show we were the only people the [TS]

  place was completely empty it was amazing was huge huge area just two of us the carousel fill it up with all the bat [TS]

  with all the bags it could it could take right and because it was no one to take them away that was it. [TS]

  So so they couldn't put anymore bags on the carousel so we were just standing there watching the same bags going past [TS]

  not Abbott's thinking well we're going to be stuck in now until everyone else gets three possible control [TS]

  and create some more room on the carousel [TS]

  and it was do no one through fifteen twenty minutes not a single cell that come through OK this is getting suspicious. [TS]

  Yeah it was a bit so anyway. [TS]

  I was I mean how big was this plane how far ahead where you it wasn't it was just an it was an easy chip line everyone [TS]

  was in the queue the next people behind us were standing right behind us every woman standing behind us there was I [TS]

  guess I guess what I'm trying to figure out is where you want to plain with nothing but [TS]

  but the sketchiest looking people all of whom need interviews through customs [TS]

  when they are I like how on earth can you be the only people I don't know I don't know it right up to a promise I'm [TS]

  telling you the tree so it got to the point where I was edging closer [TS]

  and closer to the little how they were all the bags come out that leads to the outside [TS]

  and I started like taking my head through to see if there were other bags waiting [TS]

  and around the same time this this Moroccan man picked his head through to see what was going on a wire. [TS]

  None of the bags were were moving there we kind of men are eyes and and he looked into the hole [TS]

  and saw that I was the only person there and he straight away I knew what the problem was [TS]

  and I said I'm trying to get my bank [TS]

  and I could see all these trolleys parked on the tarmac outside with all these bags on it [TS]

  and he said which one which one is yours. [TS]

  So I ended up sort of pointed and he walked over to the trolley [TS]

  and I was not hanging my head through the through the hole over the conveyor belts [TS]

  and see that black white under those two red ones to the right of that blue one and he's this one here [TS]

  and I'm a year and he pulled that one and then I found my wife [TS]

  and said here that want that second one up on the other trolley No no no not that one that one now I know below that [TS]

  what this one yes and he sort of pulled it out like a like a gentler pace and all the other begs came toppling down [TS]

  and he got so he got two bags [TS]

  and then he physically pass them through the How To Be Like handed them to be hand to hand it was a brilliant [TS]

  and they were still a service it was rarely if ever so I slipped into the money I tipped him as like thanks man you [TS]

  saved me a lot of pain and and then we went off through and got cab got a car that was waiting for us. [TS]

  Still no to come very So I would have been there forever waiting for those other people if it wasn't for that nice man. [TS]

  America's airports. Spend those two dollars wisely my friend. [TS]

  That's all ahead on me I need to tell of them if they're guilty but it was all had in my pocket. [TS]

  They guy America ship thumbs up thumbs up for their valley luggage service some stab for their passport control if you [TS]

  know the first two people in the line I'm very glad that your bags came through in that you have this nice little [TS]

  valley experience that's nice and all [TS]

  but my mind just keep focusing on hair were all the other people that's a part of the story that I keep wanting to go [TS]

  back to this feels like a mystery. [TS]

  Yeah to you don't you don't think about who's behind you cry you crack on you walk faster that passport control you you [TS]

  hope right there is nothing but a bunch of children [TS]

  and slow old ladies in front of you that you can stride on by fast as possible without actually breaking into a run so [TS]

  you look like a jerk if I go in August walking fast trying to get past everybody because if you're at the if you're at [TS]

  the back of those big passport lines forget it. [TS]

  Deter look I'm white that is a terrible time to say all that me just go to the bathroom [TS]

  and then you're behind six hundred people. The toilet is not an option. [TS]

  This does just remind me that I made a little note about something on my last flight where I wanted to tell you that [TS]

  you were correct about something like this. [TS]

  Wow Brady is correct about something Kona we had a disagreement a while back about whether [TS]

  or not the self checkout machines in the grocery stores are faster or not remember this. Yes Yeah. [TS]

  Don't get excited because I'm not going to tell you that you're right there you're totally wrong. [TS]

  OK However I'm pretty sure I made some broad sweeping statement about how I using the machines are always faster. [TS]

  Let me tell you I ran into a machine while traveling were all I could think of was I was just shaking my little fist [TS]

  thinking Brady is right this machine is terrible and it was at Dulles Airport [TS]

  and I was going through customs the United States has the equivalent of the grocery checkout machines for going through [TS]

  you. U.S. Customs if you are a U.S. [TS]

  Citizen is this customs or passport control immigration I mean where they're checking your passport [TS]

  and seeing if they're going to let you into the country where you know that have that most U.K. Upwards now as well. [TS]

  Here's the details about these machines. [TS]

  Yeah I've never seen them before and I walk up and I go oh OK well I'm sure this is going to be great [TS]

  and ice little automated machine it's certainly going to speed up the line No it's not going to speed up the line I [TS]

  have never seen a machine designed like this but you are required to scan your passport [TS]

  and I was standing there watching everybody else trying to scan their passport and I'm trying to scan my passport [TS]

  and the little machine goes just be tricky is buzzing at me saying it's not scanning the passport correctly [TS]

  and I'm looking around and I see maybe the twenty other people who are also using these machines. [TS]

  Everybody is having a hard time scanning these little passports Yeah something what's going on I was determined I'm [TS]

  going to figure out this machine I'm not going to ask the nice lady for help I'm going to figure this out the design of [TS]

  this passport scan [TS]

  or was that you have to hold your passports stick it in this little tunnel basically for the scanner you have to put [TS]

  your hand all the way in [TS]

  and inside the tunnel where you cannot see your hand much like those secret voting boxes that we were talking about on [TS]

  our special episode inside there there's a little lever that you have to reach for with your hand that you can't see to [TS]

  pull down and it pulls down some scanner on top of your passport but you have to do it physically with your hand. [TS]

  Otherwise the machine will not scan the passport I care that is a little bit more is where it [TS]

  and I thought this is the craziest self automated machine I have ever seen [TS]

  and it did work I pulled down the little lever so that it eventually scanned my passport it puts everything up on the [TS]

  screen and I confirm Oh yes this is me here the reason that I'm coming. [TS]

  And blah blah blah [TS]

  and of course because the United States the machine also takes a little picture of you because I'm sure it's going into [TS]

  a gigantic database somewhere you know who knows where but somewhere they know that goes into this database [TS]

  and so this machine was just taking everybody a really long time [TS]

  but I figured OK It least I figured it out I can make it happen really fast the next time next time I use it will be [TS]

  great but know it gives you the little ticket [TS]

  and then you just get in the line totally is normal then you still have to talk to the regular guy who asks you all the [TS]

  regular questions you just show him that you did the little auto scan of your receipt [TS]

  but he also scans your passport it was just again an astounding example of this like bizarre airports inefficiency is a [TS]

  great this machine takes longer and I still have to do all the normal things anyway. [TS]

  Accra we could do a hope of cost about how I feel about various self passport machines [TS]

  when I came back into prestigious the other day there were forty [TS]

  or fifty people waiting in like the human flesh line and there was a five or six people in the row by a lion [TS]

  and a store I go into the rubber line and the woman there who was like shipping paper three just looked at me [TS]

  and shook her head and said seriously it'll be quicker over there and I just nodded. [TS]

  I walked away I was I hear your system that's the person to trust I mean the British ones are not a stupid Is that what [TS]

  you just said with all these new levels in that and never reasonably simple to use I I can use them [TS]

  but I swear they must have some kind of brain zapping laser because I'm a soon as people walk into them they become [TS]

  completely incompetent human beings incapable of doing basic procedure is [TS]

  and I just stand there watching them go for goodness sake I just want to go on yank the past we're out of the hands I [TS]

  put it here. Look there. Step there get out of my crazy. [TS]

  The thing that really impressed me about the these ones for the U.S. [TS]

  Customs was I have already scanned my passport earlier at the. [TS]

  Airport at a different machine which didn't have this mechanism I have scanned my passport at many airports that don't [TS]

  have this mechanism and almost everybody who's on this plane with me has certainly done the same thing. [TS]

  Why on earth would you make the situation. [TS]

  Difference for the second time for almost everybody who's getting off the plane right because everybody who boarded [TS]

  that plane. [TS]

  Scanned their passport in one way when they were getting their tickets [TS]

  and now you introduce this new more complicated thing at the end of the flight that they have to scan it was like hey [TS]

  whoever made these machines by the scanners that were made by that other company [TS]

  and then it will be at least be consistent you give people a fighting chance. [TS]

  Might cost a hundred bucks more per machine those things it may be but I was looking at those machines [TS]

  and I'm looking at everybody's struggling through them and I thought there is no way this is clearing the line faster. [TS]

  My suspicion is that the whole purpose of that machine is actually the part where it takes your photo I thought this is [TS]

  why they're doing this is to build some gigantic database it's not at all about making the line any faster I take your [TS]

  photo when you go through the flesh. [TS]

  Line as well but you have to look at it a little camera and I take a picture they have never done that if you are a U.S. [TS]

  Citizen so it used to always be well we only take pictures of dirty foreigners [TS]

  but now it's all we also take pictures of dirty Americans trust nobody. [TS]

  They take my side I owe my fingerprints and then give me a twenty minute interview about each a video as air travel. [TS]

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  and your team I just want to very quickly to my new favorite thing which I know you don't like. [TS]

  I'm quickly going to give people an update on where the two hello internet flagships as we record we are the only put [TS]

  cast in the world that has official flagships but they're not official flags are there no official flagship space [TS]

  and nothing official about them their unofficial flagships there like mascots that mascot ships how Internet of course [TS]

  I'm talking about. Anthem of the say he's currently sailing off the coast of Spain. [TS]

  Towards Southampton is coming to England. Grey How are you going to go meet it. [TS]

  Gino was like to because I looked a little bit about where it's going to pay over the next year. [TS]

  OTOH And it's actually about to leave Europe [TS]

  and I don't think it's coming back for quite some time this might be at only chance to join a head down to south [TS]

  and didn't have a look at it probably not new in America. [TS]

  Stone Anyway it's traveling at twenty knots I love [TS]

  and I just love saying knots so what's the Not that I never know what home fast little bad of mph while they say mph [TS]

  than of the Baron are tying knots and rights and Siling and stuff but I think it's coaches [TS]

  and knots sir for once at some of the faces actually sailing and not sitting in a pause. [TS]

  But their second mascot ship as second flagship Majesty. [TS]

  The SES is docked at Key West so I said for those of you following the progress of a mascot ships there you go. [TS]

  Following the non-live progress of the ships because by the time they hear this part gas those ships are somewhere else [TS]

  they will long have since left Southampton and you will have had dinner with the captain [TS]

  or whatever going to do with imagine that if I had dinner with the captain of anthem at the say now that to be pretty [TS]

  special. [TS]

  We could talk about nuts [TS]

  and if you were having dinner with a ship captain what sort of things which you ask Well I'd really want the ship [TS]

  captain to take me down to the engine room. [TS]

  Oh yeah that's the thing that I would run the Sarah Lee on board with your hair straight to the engine room I'd be I'd [TS]

  be less stuff is MY Let's let's say on the move I want to pull the horn Yes yes I want to see the engine room I want to [TS]

  talk about huge propellers [TS]

  and I want to see a maps I expect to hear all about the engine room after you have dinner with the captive breeding [TS]

  warhead [TS]

  or that he might not take me down a mutt he might have lots of questions he wants to ask me about video isn't part [TS]

  curtain we might reach an impasse there. [TS]

  I'll be like shaming your propel us [TS]

  and who will not tell you tell me about what software yet are that's going to be the Congress tell me about your band [TS]

  with problems listening to you too. How long does it take to process the video I'm so excited. [TS]

  Ally in each other I do show you the intrusive tell me what is a G.P. [TS]

  Gray really looks like let's move on from ships because if we talk about them for any longer I'm just going to give you [TS]

  too much of interest use to cut this section of the park. [TS]

  Oh it's already going to be short [TS]

  but I can get over the fear your finger hovering over the big button in fact you probably start recording at the moment [TS]

  taking a little break thank you for [TS]

  and doubting me shall I indulge you even further by introducing the next topic which is freebooting takes the world by [TS]

  storm corner there comes a time in life when your children leave home. [TS]

  You're no longer responsible for them you no longer have to give the money [TS]

  but also they no longer have to abate your commands. [TS]

  This this is a natural part of life and so it is with the word free baiting. [TS]

  I think freebooting has come of age in the last few weeks and you [TS]

  and I as co-founders of the word parent hello internet. [TS]

  As as the parents of this word with this new He's of the word for the. [TS]

  Illegals taking and react loading in hosting of on line content particular videos. We have to let it go. [TS]

  It's it's gotten bigger than us and it has left the nest and gone into the world to place its own path [TS]

  and arm while I will forever be proud of it. And our little role in in its creation it's moved on. [TS]

  It has moved on there have been a few articles [TS]

  and I think the reason why you're describing it this way in that the word has moved on is that we have for the first [TS]

  time seen people use the word freebooting without making any reference to Brady Herrin and C.P.G. [TS]

  Gray as the creators of those words. [TS]

  Yeah which which is far and [TS]

  but in addition to that it has sort of also gone into some bigger bigger reign as now I mean we saw we saw Hank grain [TS]

  user in his excellent article that he recently wrote about that favorite thing we've seen on the baby see website [TS]

  saying places like Slate and it's and it's just being used as the normal word now [TS]

  and the days of us getting excited going your Look that's a little victory for us they're over [TS]

  but also I think it's really important to really quickly point out that while we will always joke around about the word [TS]

  and its and its humble origins here and hello internet free trading itself is very serious issue. Do not agree. [TS]

  Yes that is what I know I love thing I'm agreeing you don't know you're laughing I'm laughing because of your tone of [TS]

  voice Brady was a bit hard to who specialize in yeah that's exactly right. [TS]

  Ever we've all had fun this afternoon by the drug addiction is a serious problem. [TS]

  Like is it because the way you're saying it even though it is a serious problem. [TS]

  Certainly doesn't sound like there was a funny story in a picture that came from Destin in Alabama I think away Cotto a [TS]

  guy he's obviously been a real campaign around this issue [TS]

  and he has also been one of the real trial places using the term for evading and his local T.V. [TS]

  Station in Alabama I think I have actually spoken to him about this [TS]

  but this is what I've sort of sketch together from various text messages we've shared I think his local T.V. [TS]

  Station decided to do a story about free voting in Facebook favorite NG [TS]

  and I guess they were taking the parochial angle of you know local guy makes good [TS]

  and laid to the charge sort of thing you know. Local Alabama man and you cheap stuff. [TS]

  Campaigns against the mighty say spoke so I think they did an interview with him [TS]

  and spoke to him about it I haven't actually seen the report yet but what happened was they then said to him. [TS]

  Destine Can we please use some of the footage from your free version video to kind of illustrate our report. [TS]

  You know examples of the stuff that was for a dated [TS]

  and presumably footage of destiny which makes perfect sense because you know they want to catch him in the terms of [TS]

  being this you cheaper [TS]

  and Sherry shown example of so of course distance said Yes you know in that go ahead you can use my footage so you know [TS]

  what they did they went into destines video about freebooting [TS]

  and the one clip they took at to use with the clip that he borrowed for me of orgy playing with bubbles [TS]

  and they put they put that into their report and had that like Mark to You Tube dot com slash matter every day [TS]

  and there's Ordre chafing problems are perfect so I got for a very good. [TS]

  Desson of course did have permission to that but with what age but I don't know about Alabama. [TS]

  Television stations I don't think permission is a transitive property destine thought it was hilarious set me if I die [TS]

  of the from the reports I have a look at this it is pretty funny about that you touched upon the reason why I think [TS]

  this word has now come into its own is that while you know it has left our house of hello internet [TS]

  and it has gone in many ways to the house of Facebook to cause a lot of problems because that's where I see it always [TS]

  being used in in context is talking about the changes that are happening at Facebook as Facebook is clearly making some [TS]

  moves into the video world [TS]

  but that's where the word is always being used about how Facebook is making money off of other people's content [TS]

  and not sharing back the revenue and intentionally dragging their feet [TS]

  and so I this is where I have seen it being used as describing this as Facebook freebooting. [TS]

  Almost all the time [TS]

  and that was partly the topic of of Hanks' article yacking about how Facebook is doing things like inflating the [TS]

  numbers of views on their videos by huge orders of magnitude if a video appears anywhere on someone's Facebook feed [TS]

  even if they don't look at it itself a Facebook counts that as of as a view of a snake [TS]

  and started playing before you have time to react. [TS]

  Yeah they started they started playing immediately [TS]

  and I owe you watch this for a tenth of a second before you hit pause that totally counts as a view [TS]

  and that's part of the reason why the view numbers on Facebook are just astronomical he sees the numbers just in the [TS]

  tens of millions or billions or trillions You know [TS]

  when it like there's not enough humans on Earth to have caused all these views was like oh no it totally counts all of [TS]

  Facebook's little little tricks are kind of a little story right now [TS]

  and that's where we also see the word freebooting come into play because it's a nice alliteration it is Facebook [TS]

  favored NG is an oscillator I shouldn't [TS]

  and I can't even tax credit for that I think destine start at that with these videos allowed to acquit them serious [TS]

  thing then before we continue with our various bits a follow up to causing the tone you have favored because all I have [TS]

  had a little interesting interaction over the last couple of days so I thought I'd tell Well I'll tell you about I have [TS]

  told you about it yet. [TS]

  News and those people listening to how they would set can a stripe because that's pretty much how this works. [TS]

  Yep now there is a this all relates to a Twitter account a twist of fate at this stage I don't I do NOT going to say [TS]

  what it is because I want to give him free publicist a part right because also I don't want to sort of the lynch mob [TS]

  or judge and jury over an individual you know you know how I feel about that so I don't want to be too. [TS]

  Myself after the last episode resave don't like lynch mobs. [TS]

  It would not seem great if you were at the head of a lynch mob today. [TS]

  Exactly [TS]

  but there is this Twitter account which I came across this week actually just set the Twitter handle to you not twenty [TS]

  minutes ago. [TS]

  How would you explain this to Twitter accounts to paypal just scrolling through and looking at it right now [TS]

  and this is an account that tweets gifts and they're tweeting. Gifts mainly from science or science the related videos. [TS]

  Yeah and as I'm scrolling through. [TS]

  I mean it's just an endless list of stuff they didn't make much of which is actually water marked with the real [TS]

  creators sometimes yeah I want one of the videos I'm looking at right now is a gif [TS]

  and it is clearly cropped very awkwardly So this is one that that someone decided they could take out the water mark. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  but it is it is basically a freebooting type of account because they're taking the best parts from various science videos [TS]

  from various creators and tweeting it's without any link back to the author even at a bare minimum [TS]

  and even if they were doing that I wouldn't condone it but I certainly not doing that either. [TS]

  People on the internet always go isn't it OK if someone just credits you [TS]

  and the answer is No it's not credit doesn't make it OK [TS]

  but they're not even doing that that the barest of bare minimums of saying oh this comes from a video with whatever [TS]

  they're just saying look at this cool explosion look at this cool science experiment [TS]

  and all the gifts are again like the prime five seconds of a whole lot of science videos. [TS]

  Exactly I think this is like the online video equivalent of one of those rooms they have a police station just full of [TS]

  stolen property. [TS]

  Infringe property full of infringed properties it's it's a free polluting Fiesta Yes [TS]

  and there are lots of Twitter accounts like you know this is a problem [TS]

  and we talk about free version being a big problem on Facebook and it is [TS]

  and I think that's the most important place at the moment and it's a. [TS]

  Nice to be whether the battle line is drawn but I think the sort of gee if gift free boating is OSA really big issue [TS]

  and perhaps once Facebook saw there has set up this is the next place where this battle needs to be for the Sony Well I [TS]

  was going through this to to fade and then there were [TS]

  and there still are lots of clips from my videos in there now I am far from the handy victim as we speak now you see [TS]

  Derek numerous times and other videos from people I know I saw one there by the physics go [TS]

  and I'm sure destiny must be on there as well as his video to say good for that sort of thing this is one of the parts [TS]

  of free voting where I feel like you're a bit lucky and because as a G.P. [TS]

  Gray video doesn't really make sense if you haven't got the home video you don't normally have a golden bullet that can [TS]

  be stolen from your video but I do have the problem where someone takes all of the slides from my video [TS]

  and writes an article with a little caption below each of the it becomes like a like a Power Point almost it'll turn [TS]

  into one of those crap slide shows where they try to get twenty clicks out of you. I.K. [TS]

  I can understand why it happens but the gift freebooting is huge where I see it for example is on Reddit Yes [TS]

  and I cannot believe the number of times [TS]

  when a gif of a video makes it to the front page where even linking to the video would be a vastly more enjoy it will [TS]

  experience than linking to the gifts I find it very surprising but there's something about a gift [TS]

  and they're looping this that seems to really really catch people's minds [TS]

  and encouraged credibility even in situations where a gift seems like the worst possible way to show whatever it is you [TS]

  want to show I find it very very surprising how how fast and how far just the worst gifts can spread. [TS]

  Yeah so I went to a couple of the the gifts here on the six out that way for my videos [TS]

  and I kind of was just lying in bed so I actually had to decide on have a look at what the press. [TS]

  This is for making a copyright report on Twitter because I've never done it before. [TS]

  Oh yeah I never had to do it either interesting Yes So anyway I went through the process it wasn't too bad it was like [TS]

  all these copyright processes they put quite a few hurdles in your way and they make you work for the right [TS]

  but I did it for two of these gifts that I've found I I reported them that been on the Twitter feed for quite a while [TS]

  they've been rate waited [TS]

  and favorite in the thousands of times so they had paid I had gone everywhere you know that day was done [TS]

  but I reported them just out of out of the public as I wanted to say the process [TS]

  and reasonably quickly I got an email back from Twitter. [TS]

  Sang we've removed the I then scroll down the tree to fate [TS]

  and found a bunch more of mana thought gosh how many of these two I have to [TS]

  but before I got to any of that I received an email from the person who runs the Twitter account. [TS]

  Hey Brady are so you filed a copyright climb for one of my GIF images I've shared I've removed both of the pictures [TS]

  Well actually I think Twitter moves into maybe here maybe the center [TS]

  and then he said do you think it's possible to remove the copyright claim from my account. [TS]

  Yeah I've had this thing on and then he helpfully said and he's there more content you want removed. [TS]

  I will gladly tell you say so I didn't reply to that because like you said we get that kind of thing a bit. [TS]

  Let me interject something here which is just that the listener understands the reason it sounds like Twitter has a [TS]

  similar is system to youtube [TS]

  and the reason he wants you to remove your copyright complaint is it leaves the way it works on You Tube is that if a [TS]

  You Tube channel has I think it's three simultaneous outstanding copyright complaint against it that channel the whole [TS]

  thing will just get taken down so there's a cumulative punishment for repeatedly infringing copyright on You Tube which [TS]

  is a channel banned if it happens enough but if. [TS]

  You convince the person who filed the claim against you to remove it you just basically have another free shot at [TS]

  infringement every single time I ever file a copyright complaint against anybody I hear back from them saying Oh we [TS]

  took it down [TS]

  and please remove the complaint which as far as I'm concerned is just a request like please allow us to continue. [TS]

  Infringing copyright in the future that the only way to interpret that message [TS]

  but then I got an even longer e-mail ready Heron I am the owner of Twitter dot com slash the name of this account which [TS]

  is a page of beer as a hobby. From finding and sharing science related. [TS]

  GIF images from all over the internet I do not profit from the tweets I simply do it for fun. [TS]

  Let me stop there can I just say this Twitter Cam has approaching nine hundred thousand followers [TS]

  and if you think building a following of nine hundred thousand people on Twitter is not a form of profit profit you [TS]

  have made with this material which I think a lot of you shouldn't have I think to defend on the whole prophet thing [TS]

  and then the final sentences would you mind taking down the notice the hits and I wanted to withdraw my my thing [TS]

  and also said I thought this was unbelievably cheeky and also Would you send the clips you would like me to upload. [TS]

  Anyway I did rip I did reply at this point I believe I was polite and respectful and I wish them success [TS]

  but I also made my position clear about what I thought was not right about what they were doing [TS]

  and I got another really long reply I won't read it all but I'll try and find a couple highlights here. [TS]

  Brady I'm sorry you feel this way I've been going through all the content trying to remove anything that seems to [TS]

  affect your you chip general than I thought it was more of a free promotion as if someone wanted to watch the full clip [TS]

  they would search online and find your video I'll stop here again for just a second. [TS]

  That's a crazy claim because lives virtually no identification of what what the clip is a where it's from [TS]

  and you would have to you have to have very good google fu to go from these animated gifs to find my video [TS]

  but that's by the by. People don't do that anyway. Once I've seen the money shot. [TS]

  Why would they do that anyway I never apply. [TS]

  The actual video only ever afford a five second gif and no sound and I mostly find my content from read it [TS]

  or nine gag which is why I was unaware so they're saying I don't even know where it came from I just took it from [TS]

  somewhere else. [TS]

  Ferrari other people watch the video but I don't even know where it's from science gives a very popular on Reddit [TS]

  and usually if you look at the tweets someone post the video so does to traffic to your videos also I thought I was [TS]

  within fair use Polish policy as I'm sharing for knowledge purposes only I also still state in the Twitter bio that I [TS]

  do not own the content. [TS]

  Cover right not injured and I think I think this battle the laws their true knowledge [TS]

  and also has also in the Twitter by and there is and and there was a removal request I have my email in the by [TS]

  and I always remove So I mean he's basically saying I put the mail there because I'm always getting complaints [TS]

  and told to remove stuff he says hopefully we can resolve this I'd be happy to work with you in the future are feel [TS]

  like someone has come into my house and taken a whole bunch of my things like my T.V. [TS]

  and My sorry for my computer I know you do I know you think it's different because the let's let's let's cysto I feel [TS]

  like a film or taken my T.V. [TS]

  I'm a safer in my computer in my fridge no they things [TS]

  and so I've I've suffered I have suffered even unknowingly in this case but I've suffered for a little R. [TS]

  and Then I have found out where my T.V. In cipher is and I said. [TS]

  Boy how I want to back and this person who said look he's you know he's a T.V. [TS]

  and You Saif and I know I know you've kind of done without and I've benefited from having it for the last few weeks [TS]

  but I've given up back can you not press charges because I don't want the police on to make because if the police are [TS]

  on to me I won't be able to go and steal everyone else's T.V. [TS]

  Encipher can you can you not press charges so the police went prosecute me on by the way I've still got your computer [TS]

  in your fridge but if you if you want them back. [TS]

  I'll give them to start stop me from taking other people's stuff is crazy. I'm displaced. [TS]

  Your analogy is terribly tangled [TS]

  but we will draw from at the value that is within it because in this analogy if we were continuing it further other [TS]

  people would be coming to his house and watching stuff on your T.V. [TS]

  and He would be asking if it's OK for him to continue using the T.V. As long as he tells everybody that it's your T.V. [TS]

  Without work well in this analogy marry you that makes sense or improving the analogy. [TS]

  Good for her his this falling down into a mess of that a new to Latino a lot of other alike A Different know even what [TS]

  that even the heart of the terrible the one point that jumped out to me on this which is a conversation that I see [TS]

  happen over and over again on Reddit and I stay out of it because it's frustrating [TS]

  but I just want to put on the record here is someone will link to say a free booted material [TS]

  or the link to a gift for the link to some subsection of someone's content. [TS]

  And because Reddit is usually pretty good about someone knows where this thing is from the top comment will almost [TS]

  always be over this source is this thing right so if you click on the discussion you'll see right away at the top. [TS]

  Here's where it comes from now. [TS]

  As as someone who has had many things on Reddit I've even gotten things on the front page of read it [TS]

  and has also been someone who had infringed off get very high on Reddit [TS]

  and then I see the top comments as though the source of this is originally see G.P. [TS]

  Greg I actually have a bunch of data about what the difference is between those two things [TS]

  and everybody seems to think that oh this source comment makes it all OK [TS]

  but it can be a difference of two orders of magnitude how many people click on the link on Reddit to go to the [TS]

  infringed thing versus how many people click on that comment that says oh the original source is from here think it is [TS]

  by no means making up for it or making it OK and I just see people say like oh isn't it isn't it free promotion. [TS]

  Aren't you happy to get this promotion [TS]

  and I always feel like if the people making the things are don't want this kind of promotion it should be pretty clear [TS]

  to everybody in the discussion that no it's not the kind of promotion that people want [TS]

  or it is not as helpful as people think it is but I just see this argument over [TS]

  and over again where people say oh anybody using your material is just great promotion [TS]

  and I even get tweet sometimes people say oh I saw your video on some news channel in some foreign country [TS]

  and you know isn't that great promotion for you and it's always like news to me that is there [TS]

  and no it's not any kind of great promotion almost always [TS]

  and I would never agree to it if they ask me ahead of time which is precisely why they don't so it's just further [TS]

  discussions in the frustrations of online creators when this exchange first started it did cross my. [TS]

  Mind that maybe I was I was going to be dealing with a kid to retain nature because you know kids [TS]

  and teenagers can get lucky and have or some Lee followed Twitter accounts as well and so [TS]

  and there were points during this exchange where I was stunned by the naive it eating displayed that I thought maybe it [TS]

  was a child I mean reading back I think it is an adult [TS]

  and there are a few things that tell me that I am dealing with an adult [TS]

  but than the naive ity in the lack of understanding of what's going on here is is starting to me [TS]

  and for someone like that to then have wield the power of nine hundred thousand Twitter followers is we live in [TS]

  worrying times you know some of the guidelines about what counts as copyright infringement [TS]

  and people always say though I didn't make any money off of it [TS]

  but one of the key factors is does the use of the material impact the market for the original thing. [TS]

  Yeah and without a doubt the use these gifts just totally decimate the market for the original thing. [TS]

  There's nobody who follows through [TS]

  and wants to watch the rest of it because they've already seen the heart of it like that's not what fair use is what [TS]

  everybody seems to take fair use as oh I'm not making any money and I like sharing this so isn't that fair [TS]

  and the other thing though is not [TS]

  and the other thing I find a little bit frustrating is there seems to be this mindset towards educational material that [TS]

  it's different and that it sort of actually stick and because its sharing knowledge [TS]

  and sharing knowledge is like a good thing and it's not just trying to sow. [TS]

  Kansas going into all of that everything could be shared in ever and it's all one big group hug and [TS]

  and if I'm sharing knowledge and talking about knowledge and facts and information around helping educate people [TS]

  and I'm using your awesome footage do it that's OK because education is good and education is good [TS]

  but I tell you what you've got to start a Twitter account where you just show gifts of every home run hitter in Major [TS]

  League Baseball each day [TS]

  and you see how long that countless I've spoken to some people who work in the world of writing educational books [TS]

  and the things that publishers will say to them is is just shocking words I owe you do you want to get paid what a [TS]

  normal author were get paid for your education book. [TS]

  Don't you just want to write a book that's got that that is read by a lot of people [TS]

  and we don't really need to pay for that right because you just love you just love sharing knowledge [TS]

  and who just keep all that like the money there's still money somewhere it hasn't just disappeared [TS]

  but you know there's this weird in the whole industry of media production this this kind of this presumption of of [TS]

  discounts. [TS]

  Towards anything that is vaguely educational if it's I think it's kind of understandable that feeling [TS]

  but it's still very frustrating if you are the producer of educational material that also lots of people want to watch [TS]

  that's popular [TS]

  or let's take money out of the equation for a second let's pretend we live in a world where money doesn't matter [TS]

  and we have a different currency and say the currency was Twitter followers or you choose subscribers or just fan [TS]

  but it has in many ways that is a currency this person [TS]

  and people like at stealing that they're building they're following based on my content and [TS]

  and people may not even know the stuff came from a [TS]

  and they could have been people that started following me instead so even if they haven't stolen dollars from my wallet [TS]

  that stolen another form. [TS]

  Current say I often think that the real currency that we deal with on the Internet is human time and attention [TS]

  and that sometimes that converts as at a rate into dollars but [TS]

  when you're on the internet that is really the currency exchange that is happening between various parties is how how [TS]

  is human time and attention. [TS]

  Spent in various ways [TS]

  and I do think those are those are two slightly different things you know how much time do you spend on something [TS]

  and how much attention do you pay to something that that's that's like the bottom level of the economy really [TS]

  and then other and other things are built on top of that but particularly on the Internet or yes a science. [TS]

  Twitter account that's taking other people's stuff you can measure the amount of human time [TS]

  and attention that they have acquired for themselves do you have any other thoughts hearing any of that exchange we [TS]

  struck by anything this interaction with the with the real life free version I mean there really is a it's just it [TS]

  sounds so very similar to the same things that I get for myself every time you try to track someone down which is why I [TS]

  don't really think that it was as you were saying before naive it say I just think it's a situation where if I'm [TS]

  hearing the same thing from everybody every time there's anything going on about infringement as I think I think they [TS]

  know and they're just running down the list of plausible deniability reasons trying to delay [TS]

  or tire you out in the interactions that you just give up. [TS]

  Yeah maybe I'm not maybe at this I thought this person was cheap it maybe I'm not giving them enough credit. [TS]

  There we go. [TS]

  And after that this episode has been sponsored by fracture Now this is a great service you get your pictures literally [TS]

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  and I really recommend their website for some nice shots and video about how it all works. [TS]

  They obviously explain away better than I will. [TS]

  Now we've been talking long enough about these guys some of you have cottoned on to how cool they are [TS]

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  and as is the way of the world some of you have been e-mailing us the results I was particularly impressed by one from [TS]

  Jake heard some really nice family shots done they caught my eye because Jack was wearing a Liverpool Football Club [TS]

  ship that always ends and enthusiastic reply [TS]

  but they look really good you also Martin member Derek the scar diver from a previous pod cast That's Derek Derek Not [TS]

  took Derek he takes or some free for photos and he told me that he's now sent off to have one of them fractured [TS]

  and I guess put up on the wall or something like that I told him [TS]

  when he does what he should do is take the fractured picture up on a scar dive with it [TS]

  and sort of how did that as he falls [TS]

  and then get that picture fractured seven he'll have like a fracture of fracture some sort of photographic inception [TS]

  going on here. [TS]

  Now if you've got pictures gathering virtue dust in your computer archives one I'll get them out [TS]

  and have them on show [TS]

  and this really is a brilliant way to do it the website is fracture Me dot com That's obviously where you can get them [TS]

  but also learn all about how it works it's really pretty and and here's the important bit the code hello internet. [TS]

  Oh one word will get you fifteen percent of your first order fifteen percent that's the word hello internet use that [TS]

  code. Fracture Me dot com And our thanks to fracture for supporting the. [TS]

  Podcast don't forget to send me your pictures when they're done. [TS]

  I've got something I'm really looking forward to great things in jobs that people do all this name to the hello [TS]

  internet podcast corner. [TS]

  Oh you have more emails after loads [TS]

  but I haven't got loads you now I'm just going to a couple of quickies first of all my most important question is are [TS]

  they printed on paper right now. [TS]

  Oho I think that the paper is a fundamental part of stuff people do while listening to the pod cast corner I really [TS]

  like the paper in error. [TS]

  You've got paper I want to set the mood before we talk about people's careers [TS]

  or other things they do not just career us already funny comment either on Twitter [TS]

  or read a current member where my current member who wrote some Sorry for not giving you a name check [TS]

  but with I were talking about LA last times things people do while this need to hello internet podcast Cora you know [TS]

  how I've built it up and said This is amazing and you said and your wired it wasn't going to be amazing. [TS]

  They said as they were listening they sort of thought to themself [TS]

  or set out lay out if this job doesn't end up involving Barack Obama I'm going to be disappointed [TS]

  and sure enough we delivered. [TS]

  Anyway we haven't got anything quite so Presidential this time but I've got to quick is that I like. [TS]

  I've received many I am keeping quiet few of them and will do more [TS]

  and more talk about it more light of it would still a couple of quickies Now this one comes from Emilie [TS]

  and it says Dear Brady and gray I was listening to the most recent episodes at work today [TS]

  and it occurred to me that you especially Brady might be interested in what I do I'm a member of the operations team on [TS]

  the Cassini mission. Cool I don't control the spacecraft directly but I thought you'd both enjoy knowing sometimes. [TS]

  Summer in the world there is someone listening to your pockets while she designs. Observations for a camera. [TS]

  Orbiting Saturn love the show. [TS]

  Emilie I mean Cassini is that's pretty good that's the glamour mission for me as well I mean that's like that's that's [TS]

  the pretty boy space mission is a net with all those great fighters a Saturn you can't go wrong. [TS]

  That's that's a pretty good one not I mean all the space missions are cool here [TS]

  but pictures of Saturn Saturn you know is unusually photogenic for a planet. So there's M.L.A. Obviously designing. [TS]

  Servatius I'd like to know more about what that means presumably she programs what what's going to point [TS]

  and went to take all the pictures [TS]

  but you can certainly email me again Emily you cannot email me too many times about what you do on the Cassini mission [TS]

  I'd love to hear more but that's that's a good one that is very good one [TS]

  and I'll just do one more this one comes from someone who sounds various trailer comes from Dave Dave says get a [TS]

  fellows. [TS]

  First off I'd like to tell Bradley hey hey that I'm a fairly Adelaide Ian had to move for employment however as a kid I [TS]

  did not find the Grenfell center the [TS]

  or inspiring pace of architectural grandmother hated by also have never heard anyone [TS]

  but him call the black stump that makes me think Dave might be younger than me because it was only really famous before [TS]

  when it was the tallest building and when it was no longer the tallest building it kind of fell into obscurity [TS]

  but maybe who knows. Anyway let's hear about Dave's job because that's where things get really interesting. [TS]

  Yeah but you always have to mention though that a later you love the Adelaida. [TS]

  Adelaide like the secret keyword to getting through you just saying that has reminded me of several other Adelaide [TS]

  emails I've received this week that I could talk about [TS]

  but I want it is a look at the tight little cluster of Adelaide excitement in your brain. [TS]

  Oh those are my job may not seem the most exciting think again. I absolutely love it. I drive a fuel truck. Code an A.P. [TS]

  Quad in the outback Western Australia Western Australia was the biggest day of a strategy of its massive my truck fully [TS]

  loaded can hold roughly one hundred thirty five thousand litres a few diesel mainly [TS]

  and a bit of petrol for service in remote areas. Surveys as well. A strange Coast service stations of carriages. [TS]

  This does a B. Quote a truck that Dave drives is fifty three point five metres long. [TS]

  It weighs around one hundred sixty five tons loaded and has eighty six tires. [TS]

  The run I was all the run I do is about fifteen hundred kilometers around trip from depo to the mine site. [TS]

  Towns obviously there's a lot of mines in Western Australia [TS]

  and he's obviously delivering all this diesel fuel to all the mines anyway. [TS]

  Another about the truck I can't tell you how to support that was to read those words because I could have heard about [TS]

  that truck forever for a feeling of ways but more about the know that will come back to the truck [TS]

  and all of the gang of listening to this is this sounds like a truck to have in a Mad Max style apocalyptic future. [TS]

  I know if guys have bared an outback Australia where better for a Mad Max track anyway [TS]

  and that's about the track I listen to your podcast on the twelve hour shifts I drive on the track it was a good laugh [TS]

  hearing that people fall asleep during the podcast if I were to fall asleep on the job. [TS]

  Entire towns could be blown off the map. Unfortunately I don't have a photo. [TS]

  Brackets apparently because of terrorists over according of our trucks is banned and brackets. [TS]

  However the one attached is near enough to what I drive [TS]

  and he attaches a picture of this sort of semi trailer with one to do let me see the missing who are all five fuel [TS]

  tanks talking behind it and I'm going to send it to you now in between all the waking up and looking my hand [TS]

  and let me get it for you actually was going to send it to you I didn't think I'd be so mean to hang on no I want to [TS]

  say I think coming here because I want to see big year man I want to see it coming. [TS]

  Victor you're saying [TS]

  when you go play with Audrey I'm going to look at this drawing books I'm sending that destiny he would like it [TS]

  but he might get confusing. He's going to love it. I'd send a test and hippo The reply was I'm not. [TS]

  Yep drove one of them yesterday. Yeah there we go you should have. Wow if trucks could be snakes that's what this. [TS]

  Looks like Boy that is really interesting in a strategic Oh they sing road trains [TS]

  and I mean you can see on the front there it's got row trying written on front of it. [TS]

  Often of same on that lot of same ones that about two or three trials [TS]

  but obviously the use need so much fuel that those mines I have never seen anything like this just to describe it it's [TS]

  I mean usually I've seen the truck and it has the single cylindrical container behind it that's on an additional four [TS]

  or five sets of wheels [TS]

  but this picture that he sent of a similar truck has four of them it looks like chained up behind it I didn't even know [TS]

  you could do that. [TS]

  It's a love you know a bad one there that is so it's not quite the presidential stairs [TS]

  but in some ways it's as impressive this is very interesting to me you know this is the I like logistics I wonder if [TS]

  these things are even allowed in the US I've never I've driven a lot around the US on a lot of roads where there's a [TS]

  lot of a lot of cargo being transported and I have never seen anything like this I wonder if it even exists in the U.S. [TS]

  or If this is just a bad ass Australian thing that I prepare pretty pretty hard as nails over there say yeah I just did [TS]

  a search a google search on a B. [TS]

  Quad and it takes you to write a drain [TS]

  and the tend to talk images the one he sent So that's obviously where he got it so if you look at that we get paid your [TS]

  article you look at all the different rules and regulations and classes and there's these cake last one [TS]

  and it says These represent the largest road trains operating in a strategy and the world. [TS]

  Kota power trine or a body and six there's a whole bunch of stuff about them on Wicca Paideia of course. [TS]

  Wow this is exciting. [TS]

  I never knew these things existed [TS]

  and now I want to see one in real life I want to see one of these key trains with one two three four five six seven [TS]

  cargo slots behind them. [TS]

  I'm not lying [TS]

  or I want I want to say one with the hello internet podcast on the phone in front of it I'm not going to lie there any [TS]

  Cape train drivers if you're out there if you have if you have one of these trains. [TS]

  Hello Internet logo on your i Phone in front of the stream that would be that would be appreciated by would really like [TS]

  to see one real life as well as some point. [TS]

  Very exciting I like this a lot what's going on over there what's that noise [TS]

  or tree she's got not how is Audrey making that much noise. She's court knows me for that one. [TS]

  Going to make any noise for the microphone. [TS]

  Are Now she goes silent because she's getting attention she just makes them a snuffly knows you get the picture. [TS]

  The dogs a sleeping at your feet. All right let's move on I don't know what to do about O.J. [TS]

  That I'm just gonna lay for a minute she starts getting to know as a well I think I'm on your bed [TS]

  and you petted wanted to go I'm going to go you can see on placing his guy. [TS]

  Now technically it is Lulu her bed pretty much that's pretty much how it works. [TS]

  OK cry this is that moment we've all been waiting for in the last park asked we heard from a listener who has gustatory [TS]

  synaesthesia Yes In this particular case what happens is [TS]

  when they hear words they they taste them words have different tastes [TS]

  and they sent a list of ten words that they wanted to be said by you because I thought I would taste interesting they [TS]

  particularly wanted to hear them and there's one they wanted to hear from a as well [TS]

  and obviously this person tapped into the little bit of competitive nature between us and [TS]

  and knew how excited I was that there was a word that might sound better for me so they have been in touch since you [TS]

  and I read this list of words and they tell us what each of those words tastes like [TS]

  and they tell us which one of us says are in a more tasty Why then are you ready for this. OK let's go. [TS]

  Because Ari because now because tastes like Frank and pains and it tastes better when I say it. Welcome welcome. [TS]

  No welcome. [TS]

  Taste like something that I don't actually know what this is that maybe you do a graham cracker [TS]

  or graham cracker I don't know that is its purpose. I was about to say in the most unhelpful way it tastes. [TS]

  Graham cracker e does I don't know how I feel like oh a graham cracker their thing you give kids you know in [TS]

  kindergarten to munch on a lace waitress a very slightly sweet the a soft a soft I don't know what to compare them to [TS]

  its software was a cult a cracker a fossil crackers were hard. [TS]

  Well OK here's the thing it's their staff because when you're a little kid you gum on them write any [TS]

  and they sort of become soft in your mouth I don't has gotten their cookie like is the best description maybe. [TS]

  It tastes better when you say it [TS]

  but only just apparently it was very close run next word before before that is rich pay not butter crackers [TS]

  and there is a tie between the two of us the next word is like like that taste like cottage cheese [TS]

  and it tastes unusually strong [TS]

  when Gray says that unusually strong your lot is very coaches cheesy gray Next we have into group interger macaroni [TS]

  and cheese. [TS]

  Firstness gray sort of stumbled was saying it so there was no taste when he said it [TS]

  but to be honest the way using Brady said it tasted worse than average [TS]

  but I have a very high standard for this one because of the way my calculus teacher said at which tasted very good [TS]

  possibility possibility this is if you silly pastor a pastor with red sauce and grated cheese. [TS]

  Yeah but the complicated one. [TS]

  Yep and the listener says this one is kind of weird though to be fair all of this is weird [TS]

  but the red sauce cheese ratio was a lot higher [TS]

  when Grace said it I have to say listening to all of this I am very glad that I do not have gustatory synaesthesia [TS]

  waiting waiting. [TS]

  Tomato soup and it tastes better when Gray says the next word family family but now and it tastes better [TS]

  when Grace as an owner of banana taste like banana hard and I think a question actually I did. [TS]

  When you say the food does it taste like the food I wonder if there are like special words that about you know a lot [TS]

  palindromes and things that that taste like themselves that's a good question I didn't ask [TS]

  and passion passion some sort of barely carbonated fruit juice substance that I've never quite been able to place [TS]

  but I think there is melon involved and apparently both of us pronounce it in a way that tastes better than average. [TS]

  Now the last word which is the one that he thought would test bed for me was party party [TS]

  and I carry that tastes like chocolate cake. [TS]

  Seems appropriate and as I suspected it taste significantly better when Brady said your accent makes words with. [TS]

  The T R sounds sound better because when you say party it sounds like the T. [TS]

  Becomes a daylight you're saying party not party yeah that's part that's partly my my growing up in New York. [TS]

  Sliding through there is the T.D. [TS]

  Transition I have a very hard time with words like that words like water as I cannot say that word normally with a T [TS]

  sound there's a decent [TS]

  or I say water you can tell grades at the word Norty is completely tasteless for me the vast majority of words don't [TS]

  have a taste and Norty happens to be one that doesn't. [TS]

  So I replied with a few little follow up requests so of course of the bit of extra information for you here. [TS]

  I asked whether our names. [TS]

  Tasted like anything [TS]

  and apparently they don't the only two names of people that do have ties to paranoia emulate which takes like banana [TS]

  and Rachel which tastes like Cherry And I did confirm that both Derek and to not have tests [TS]

  and also I can confirm that freebooting does not have a test and that's about it for now. [TS]

  For what words and taste like quarter getting too specific. [TS]

  I heard you had an interesting meet up recently I did one I did [TS]

  and this is want to thank the hello internet listeners for in many ways so I'm sure people remember you [TS]

  and I both spoke about the album the race for space by Public Service Broadcasting which I love. [TS]

  Yeah and you spoke quite highly of as well I thought it was good he was not for me personally [TS]

  but Hatch Lee I have listened to it a couple more times since then I feel like it might be growing on me ever so [TS]

  slightly but I would still recommend that everybody give it a listen. [TS]

  Brilliant out pretty eminent for those who don't remember it's this these musicians this band that combine disco modern [TS]

  music that I happen to like anyway with Odio samples [TS]

  and historical audio samples from out propaganda films in newsreels an archive [TS]

  and things like that so the race for space deals with. [TS]

  Sputnik in Eureka Garren in the Apollo missions using all the old broadcasts from the time that all the out NASA radio [TS]

  transmissions [TS]

  and they too are in a really clever way really clever way is the Brady album couldn't be more for Brady It couldn't be [TS]

  more from [TS]

  and one of the songs they did before they someone of their other albums about Mount Everest so I was joking that these [TS]

  are like my dream people thought I was beginning it up in the flesh ring way that these things happen a lot of the [TS]

  listeners gave a try based on a recommendation and a lot of people said they really liked it [TS]

  and a lot of them said so on Twitter and on social media saying thanks for the recommendation [TS]

  and they kind of coded out [TS]

  and shouted out to the band as well this is that there are a London based band then as a result suddenly I think these [TS]

  guys were saying kind of their Twitter faith full of a lot of talk about hello internet and at Brady Haran and C.D.P. [TS]

  Gray and so suddenly they sort of became aware I think that at least that we existed. [TS]

  So basically as a result a little bit of Twitter conversation ensued [TS]

  and they actually performed at the question be music festival that I went to and I had actually a range to try [TS]

  and meet up with them and we sort of date jokes that were going to buy me a side [TS]

  or for helping themselves to more albums but I ended up leaving. [TS]

  Leading question barely I'm one of the guys in the band wasn't well so that never happened so I thought well that's an [TS]

  opportunity missed but we have stayed in touch [TS]

  and amazingly the sort of the the creative force behind the band kind of the main the main man who served his stage [TS]

  name is Jay will goose Squire interesting character that does not is real name at the stage name apparently So anyway I [TS]

  don't know how I think I must of these gentleman tricks [TS]

  but I persuaded him yesterday to come along to the Royal Society [TS]

  and appear as a special guest in my objectivity video you bring everybody to the Royal Society though I think that was [TS]

  obviously that was obviously the bite so so he came along and I had actually a range with Kate. [TS]

  The head librarian and we arranged a series of really amazing space artifacts to do with Sputnik and Garren [TS]

  and Apollo we got some real amazing things that that I was rolling all over and we took Jay down to save them [TS]

  and spoke to him and he appeared in the video another video and then [TS]

  and then we went out afterwards in the port we must siders and we hung out for a while [TS]

  and had a really good time got along really well and that wouldn't be possible if it wasn't for hello internet [TS]

  and then the the instilling good comments from hello internet listeners the made moral of the story here is if you ever [TS]

  do anything because of hello internet that you think could have any positive anything positive coming from [TS]

  and make sure you go or Twitter [TS]

  and tell the people because they're really helps us to do our job because I can't imagine I would have ever got two of [TS]

  them did what we did if it wasn't for people on Twitter [TS]

  and it seems it seems like a little it actually really helps so I think so thank you everyone [TS]

  and hopefully in the wake of this podcast goes out that video might be as well and people can can have a look [TS]

  but it was it was Rico were you able to convince him to do that adorable to our based album we were discussing last [TS]

  time we didn't get on to the topic of chew our best albums I feel yeah I feel I missed opportunity. [TS]

  He's a he's a lot like you know a lot of ways great there are a lot of things about Jerry that remind that reminded me [TS]

  of you I think you two would get along really well as well [TS]

  and one of them is his secrecy about upcoming projects which I guess is are even more important [TS]

  when you make outcomes so he was he was tightly around like a smart man hears like much more is a very smart man he was [TS]

  tight lipped about the topic of the next hour and rightly so. [TS]

  It was good it was really good it was good fun I was wondering if you had a fan girl did in the meeting I think I think [TS]

  I played a pretty girl. Yamin squeal. [TS]

  Know how mean I definitely have a lot respect for for what these guys are creator think it's a really great thing [TS]

  and I do have a disproportionate amount of respect for people who can create news it [TS]

  but even my friend Alan who makes music for my videos and who wrote the Hello into that little jingle stats show. [TS]

  I like I'm amazed by people who can he can do what they do so I've got loads loads of respect [TS]

  but I don't know because of because of my job over the years are kind of get exposed to lots of people who are who are [TS]

  famous so I'm not I don't get particularly particularly star struck and it did help that [TS]

  when we were walking down the street together in London someone came up to us and recognized me [TS]

  and not him so that if you're OK Give us an advantage in the celebrity meet up the dynamic wasn't really like that [TS]

  anyway but it was it was funny but it was really get it's really curious. [TS]

  Videos turn out well [TS]

  and seriously like I can't recommend the abdomen after the music video for go which I think is really good. [TS]

  Was made by a company in Bristol I think for the long coat go which is the Apollo eleven song it's got like something [TS]

  like three hundred thousand views I think that's criminal I think there is criminal that you know Taylor Swift we have [TS]

  one hundred million views on a video of the I like tell a swift and I songs [TS]

  but that would have like a hundred million and this can have three hundred thousand. There's something wrong. [TS]

  Well the world there's probably a gif of it somewhere that has twenty million views a soundless looping gift it was a [TS]

  it was interesting how much we had to talk about in common about things like who had East Twitter [TS]

  and how do you feel about copyright infringement [TS]

  and things like that like a lot of the things we had to discuss was surprisingly similar. [TS]

  Except on really crappy music and he made he made we call him the ability to make music. Seems like magic to me. [TS]

  Yeah how do you do that I find it impressive as well. [TS]

  Anybody has any kind of musical skill I was I was talking to him about the random acts of intelligent show [TS]

  and I said if they don't put on one of their shows at that Rocket Center in Huntsville the something wrong with the [TS]

  world can you imagine seeing them do their Apollo set under the satin far with all that oppose Apollo space ships [TS]

  everywhere that would be pretty cool. [TS]

  Who would become the best setting for any show in the world and the best setting if you are. Space themed what's next. [TS]

  Sorry I was just freaking out because I was trying to be a reporter [TS]

  and come up with some questions to ask you he didn't do well. [TS]

  Greg No I know I didn't a very sorry [TS]

  but I'll never you cheaper never get you to be one of those people who are into these the president the United States [TS]

  and I would never interview the president of the United States but I was trying to think that they'd ask you [TS]

  and it was just silence in my brain are so I assumed it was something going wrong in the office or your computer. [TS]

  Who's breaking That's how awkward inquiries that was that just was that if you try to think of a question to ask. [TS]

  Honest to God Brady I was trying to think of think of questions to ask you because you told me that I need to be a [TS]

  little bit of a reporter if we do this segment [TS]

  and I was I was just I don't know what to ask what do I ask this is where I have told you many times that you have this [TS]

  natural interviewing skill that you seem to just disregard because it comes so naturally to you. Let me start this way. [TS]

  Yeah I totally think I sent you a message saying oh I just met with the guy from public service broadcasting right what [TS]

  do you want to know what's the first thing you think was the first question that comes into your head not what do you [TS]

  think you should ask what do you want to ask because that's probably a good stuff. What's the first question you have. [TS]

  Yeah the first thing I asked you was how the do have you made up and yet that's what you told us. [TS]

  OK I told you that because Twitter because he writes he had say no these tweets mentioning us so he kind of we got [TS]

  force fed to him by sickly and brand and [TS]

  and then I'd exchanged a few emails of progress to Marie who we dealt with that so now you know that right. [TS]

  And then and I message I also asked you if you fan girl the big time when you met the person and the very did that. [TS]

  Yeah right and then and then I feel like I don't know I don't know what to ask next. [TS]

  OK you don't want to there's nothing else you want to know I guess the thing is I feel like oh if there's something [TS]

  interesting you'll tell me and I don't know what to ask. And that is that I know nothing about the situation. [TS]

  Aren't you going to tell me the interesting things about this situation how would I know what to ask is interesting [TS]

  when I don't know what the interesting thing is you know what the interesting thing is yeah that's not really had to [TS]

  earn this works but you know this is not how journalism works and it's also why I'm not a journalist [TS]

  but I just I just say again every time we've ever discussed as you disregard your interviewing skills because they just [TS]

  come so naturally to you and for me I'm panicked [TS]

  and sitting here sweating trying to think of a question to ask you if you're telling your story [TS]

  and I can't we don't have very sorry you just have to say what comes into your head sometimes nothing comes into the [TS]

  head well it's [TS]

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  Igloo the Internet you'll actually like homework we mentioned last time the Martian as some homework to do this episode [TS]

  is coming out relatively soon after the other one so maybe not everybody has read it yet I don't know for the record [TS]

  everyone I said to grab that I thought it was too soon to be talking about the book with a Martian a week after setting [TS]

  as I work. Cry cry insists we do it now. [TS]

  I don't inside Well I guess I'm sort of insisting I am making you do this [TS]

  but it's largely because I already read the Martian I think from my perspective two and a half weeks ago [TS]

  or three weeks ago [TS]

  and so I think I'm good I'm just going to forget the details if we wait any longer because it might be a while until we [TS]

  record the next one like the half life of the Martian in my brain is quickly diminishing so we have to talk about it [TS]

  now I do have some respect for that position great because I read it I don't know [TS]

  when I read it it must be six months maybe even a year ago around the time I recommended on on a notable at [TS]

  and I have forgotten what were still full of I'm not going to be massively useful although I have read a cross the book [TS]

  but I won't have the kind of intimate knowledge of data that used to have over your already oversell thing my position [TS]

  but I guess the bottom line for the listener is one prepare yourself for spoilers from this point on [TS]

  and to prepare yourself for perhaps the worst [TS]

  and least detailed conversation of any homework assignment we have yet given. Now. [TS]

  Naturally the first thing I want to know [TS]

  and I know you I don't know you've already got your little plant in place so I'm not going to be able to shake you from [TS]

  A but I am curious as to whether you'd like to [TS]

  or not I am I going to know that what I have to wait for that to be revealed over series of sleight of hand. [TS]

  Gray isms you always want you always want to jump right to the very to the heart of the thing. [TS]

  Why do you always want to do this because I'm a journalist it's an inverted pyramid right if the world ends before this [TS]

  conversation finishes I'll never know if you like the book [TS]

  or not that doesn't make any sense I will say simply I was I think it gives a context to what you're saying. [TS]

  Knowing if you like the book [TS]

  or not like it changes the the the salt the grain of salt I'm I'm taking with what you say. [TS]

  Anywhere you to how you want what you want to say about this book you said as homework you must have something you want [TS]

  to say so the reason that I wanted to set it as homework was you know I don't read a lot of. [TS]

  Fiction books Normally I tend to read mostly non-fiction this is a case where a bunch of people in my life [TS]

  and a bunch of science the people in my life as well. [TS]

  All recommended this book there was a bit of a gay universal wall of recommendation from people so I thought you know [TS]

  what let me give this one a try. [TS]

  Even though you don't read a lot of fiction [TS]

  but I'll I've heard from people that I trust not only that I should read this book [TS]

  but also that they think I would like this book so I thought OK I'm going to give it a try. [TS]

  This is the strange modern experience [TS]

  but I bought it while sitting on the runway at Dulles Airport waiting for my plane to take off to San Francisco [TS]

  and I realized oh I need to get something to do on the airplane as I was able to just buy it on my i Pad [TS]

  and have a download on the runway because I was being the hardy [TS]

  and I hadn't turned off the data connection even though they told me to call it literally downloaded as the wheels were [TS]

  lifting off the crowd and but you know you don't tell us Latins about that it's OK This is the context [TS]

  and so I started to read it on the airplane. [TS]

  Yeah if you want me to come to the meat of it all haha sorry that was an adorable little foul you head up to the set [TS]

  with a little That's the last know is orgy makes the Shiva as she's like noting off that's so sweet she looking into of [TS]

  the podcast any time she wants with that adorable No he interrupted a brilliant moment [TS]

  and because you were just about to give us the verdict of the book if you want me to cut [TS]

  and he said if you want me to cut to the meat of it [TS]

  or I was I was thinking what does that mean does that mean he'd like to want to like it because I didn't know you'd [TS]

  heard the know there was a there was absolutely adore. [TS]

  Yes So what I would say is if I'm going to cut to the heart of it there is no way in the world I would ever have [TS]

  finished this book were it not for the fact that I was on an airplane and had limited options of other things to do. [TS]

  Rock so I wouldn't say that it was a bad book. [TS]

  Yeah I don't feel the way about the Martian say the way you feel about getting things done [TS]

  but I disobey lug for guys to other yeah I made a note about it [TS]

  and the note at the top of my page was just ne'er was kind of the way I felt I felt about the book [TS]

  but I did have some specific complaints [TS]

  but it was it was just an interesting experience reading it because I could see why people would think that I would [TS]

  like this book [TS]

  but it was actually probably those parts that most annoyed me about the book would be the things that people would [TS]

  think that I like the most I didn't think you'd like the book. Oh really interesting didn't you recommended to me. [TS]

  Not on us maybe I did [TS]

  but I'm not surprised you don't like it why are you not surprised I think I'm in this is going to more be that where [TS]

  you have several of them up I did enjoy this book this seems like a Brady enjoyable book. [TS]

  There are like the book but a lot your for a few specific reasons and an [TS]

  and those reasons are because it was a good book the Martian is it is a book that will be liked by people who don't [TS]

  read many good books the Martian in the legally don't know what a good book is actually like particularly science geeky [TS]

  people who don't read a lot of books or particular don't read a lot of fiction books [TS]

  and haven't got much to compare it to and just thinks it's awesome that book has been written about Mars [TS]

  and modern science and almost the people who are almost blind cheerleaders for science [TS]

  and which is cheer the fact a science book has been written and has gone mainstream and it could and the [TS]

  and it could have been written in Latin and in crayon [TS]

  and they wouldn't care because it's a science book that's gone mainstream and that means good good good. [TS]

  So there that there's a lot of that going on you know is such a something starts in the mainstream it must be good [TS]

  and we must be cheerleaders because we share everything science and I find that a bit frustrating. [TS]

  Men it's also not a particularly well written book you know it's pretty it's pretty basic you know it's not it's not a [TS]

  Brittany crafted book and it's not full of many clever twists [TS]

  and turns plot wise sister pretty linear story so that's the things that's wrong with it. [TS]

  There's a few things that are good about it which I talk about in a minute or may not depending on where things go [TS]

  and things I liked about it I mean the divin she carries an is. [TS]

  Is another example of a book that's not a particularly good book that is very compelling to rate [TS]

  and I found the Martian a bit like that I have always had to read the next chapter because it was very had had certain [TS]

  hoax through it that that was very clever much like the different chic it doesn't and you can sit back [TS]

  and be sniffy about the different she Curtis I hope it's not a good book that [TS]

  when you're reading the defense she cut it's like heroin and you had to rate the next chapter [TS]

  and I got the margin a bit like that the motion is a bit like I cannot stop because I have to read the next chapter [TS]

  and it's not because I can't wait to see what brilliant turn of phrase is going to be used for other reasons [TS]

  but it's interesting to hear you say that you felt compelled to read it because I did not feel that way at all [TS]

  and I was so close to putting down the book. [TS]

  So for those those who haven't read it this is no spoiler it starts off straight away with the premise that a man has [TS]

  been left on Mars after after a space expedition there and the storm has forced the rest of his crew to retreat yet [TS]

  and it starts off as this first person narrative. [TS]

  Basically of him saying he's on Mars and he screwed and he's injured and how is he going to try [TS]

  and survive on the planet yet which is a good a good premise for a book [TS]

  and it's a compelling story about a man trying to survive. Yeah it's sort of cast away in space. [TS]

  Perfect that's how you would pitch the movie might very well be how the movie was cast away in space [TS]

  and we should come back to the movie trailer later but I'm reading it [TS]

  and the first seven chapters are all told from the first person perspective of this guy and mark what NE is the here [TS]

  but I found the first two chapters like oh OK this is an interesting premise it's good so far [TS]

  but after about Chapter two. [TS]

  All I could think of as I'm reading this book was technobabble on Star Trek [TS]

  and in Star Trek they always have technobabble which boils down to someone says something is broken [TS]

  and then another person has a a made up series of nonsense words about how they're going to fix whatever the thing is [TS]

  and I just always feels like Can we just move past this I Why does this always have to be the plot point of made up [TS]

  problem. [TS]

  Made up solution neither of which matters it just matters that the thing got fixed such I remember thinking that to be [TS]

  fair in the book are I do remember getting fatigued by the take by the number of things that break [TS]

  and then get fixed is to be like OK here we go again but I never never member thinking was that would never happen [TS]

  and that solution same such style I saw well that probably would happen among us and that probably is a Y. [TS]

  You could fix it so while I found found that sound a bit repetitive in that sense I don't remember thinking [TS]

  technobabble This is why I think people would think that I like it because they're plausible solutions. [TS]

  He's actually talking about actual things so have I have a little segment here that's highlighted as a as a passage [TS]

  from the book where he says I need to ration my E.V.A.'s as well as food. [TS]

  The C O two filters are not clean a bill once they're saturated there done the mission accounted for a four hour Evie a [TS]

  perk crew per member per day. Fortunately C O two filters are light and small. [TS]

  All told I have about fifteen hundred hours of C O two filters after that and then he just like he goes on [TS]

  and on with this description about all of the equipment [TS]

  and I just I just kind of fresh I find it kind of frustrating because. [TS]

  It's almost like it's written as though it's a real story [TS]

  but I can't get past the fact that everything in it is made up. [TS]

  Right that the author has is providing the character with a certain number of air filter that he's going to be able to [TS]

  get through or like the descriptions of machines that have to be connected. [TS]

  Pink sickly Apollo thirteen Style right of oh we have this square peg to fit in this round hole [TS]

  but I'm just constantly aware of the author as creator of problems for which the character Mark is going to give me far [TS]

  too detailed descriptions of how to fix them [TS]

  and I just found it really really tedious in the first seven chapters I can sometimes sort of talking to that point [TS]

  but from a slightly different than the last so again my memory's not as good as your post because I was alone with [TS]

  ongoing [TS]

  but I thought the problem there was more a case of the also was trying to to justify everything he was trying to show [TS]

  that he'd done the math to to show that this is what would happen. [TS]

  It's a bit like OK you don't need to you don't need to prove to me that yeah that he has this many faces for this race [TS]

  and because the sin that is what would have happened if that disaster hadn't struck it was a bit all rot I came [TS]

  and Sarah you know you've done your homework I know you've done your homework it doesn't mean you have to shave me oh [TS]

  you're working out exactly I just read I'm randomly flipping through the book on my page on my computer [TS]

  and I just started another sentence to be viable soil needs forty liters of water per cubic meter my overall plan calls [TS]

  for nine point two cubic metres of soils all eventually need three hundred sixty eight leaders of ones like God damnit [TS]

  do it like I don't need all of this it is just too much and I'm flipping through pages and the number of pain. [TS]

  OK two pages over right to says like several paragraphs after the thing that I just read you in sixty two square meters [TS]

  I could grow maybe a hundred fifty kilograms of potatoes in four hundred days that's a grand total of one thousand one [TS]

  hundred fifty calories a sustainable average of two hundred thirty it's like it just flip flip flip I flip over to the [TS]

  next page OK there's numbers all over that page I flip over to the next page there's numbers on this page flip over [TS]

  there's no numbers on this page finally Oh no there is there's a number of hundred six in the middle of flipping over [TS]

  again there are at least twenty numbers on this page [TS]

  and it's just for ever I almost I almost don't know why I like I made it through this first section [TS]

  but I was that whatever it was chapter six and I said I said to myself in my head. [TS]

  If the next chapter is like this I'm just going to stop. [TS]

  Like I'm not going to go any further because I cannot stand this [TS]

  and perhaps unfortunate for me again not like I didn't like the book [TS]

  but I could have done something better with my time on the flight the very next chapter is where it finally switches [TS]

  perspective and it goes to NASA headquarters and them trying to figure out what has happened [TS]

  and so I thought OK book I'm going to give us I'm going to give you a little bit more time because maybe you just [TS]

  wanted to establish all of this [TS]

  but for me it was it was just it was unfortunate because there was just enough of the other stuff that I ended up [TS]

  feeling like I'm going to keep finishing this book [TS]

  but all things told I would rather have read a different book than this book [TS]

  but yeah I just found almost all of the sections where Mark is talking about his solutions to the problems just way [TS]

  over tedious [TS]

  and I think you're right it's like someone who's very very eager to show you all of their work that actually actually [TS]

  reminds me of back when I was in college I had a job doing research for one of the professors [TS]

  and for various reasons at some point we went to Washington D.C. [TS]

  Where we had to present to some Congress people what what our research projects were and what we were working on. [TS]

  And I'll never forget that the professor told me before we went into some of these meetings he wanted to impress the [TS]

  fact of your day may be filled with all of the details of what you're working on [TS]

  and that's what's on the top of your mind but when you're talking to somebody else. [TS]

  Don't tell the Congress person about the details that seem important to you you have to think about what he might be [TS]

  interested what are the practical results of this research you know or why the funding should continue [TS]

  but you don't want to talk about how hard it is to do all of this research [TS]

  and the complicated data analysis spreadsheet you had to use for high energy frequency plasmas this does feel like it's [TS]

  just too much like there's a way to move the story forward without having all of the details he showed he showed you [TS]

  too much detail of how the sausage is made [TS]

  and it put you off the sausage if this was a book about a real event that had occurred I may find those details much [TS]

  more interesting but but again it's just like it's just the fabricated nature of it [TS]

  and I have I have a note here where I wrote made up solutions to made up problems and then him brackets. [TS]

  Obviously that's every book you know this just this just bothered me for some reason. [TS]

  I can't quite put my finger on on why but it just it really did it really did bother me [TS]

  and I found a good I found it rather rather tedious. [TS]

  Was there anything redeeming about the book the oh I have more things to complain about [TS]

  but I was going to ask if there were other things you like about the book what do I like about of a you know what do [TS]

  you like about the book that I do like the nest out of Jack de like SPOILER ALERT algea I do like that they use [TS]

  previous historic NASA missions [TS]

  and equipment that has landed on the planet nearby to save the yeah that I have to say that was the best part that was [TS]

  absolutely the best part I thought that yeah he uses he uses one of the previous crashed missions on the General's act [TS]

  maybe it was so generally don't member exactly but I have to say [TS]

  when that development happened in the book I thought Oh that's very clever. [TS]

  That's a good way to do things so I like to that but I think the biggest strength of the book from memory. [TS]

  Is and perhaps don't think this way about us [TS]

  and I think it's the likability of the main character I don't know if it was skill or luck [TS]

  but I think the way that Mark what made the main character was written. [TS]

  Appeared to me a lot to him a lot but he was funny [TS]

  and had a sense of humor I found him funny like because at this obviously the first part of the book is him writing a [TS]

  journal like he's keeping like a a log isn't a sort of that people will probably find after he's died he suspects [TS]

  but he keeps a journal and I think his purse I think the personality of this main character I really liked him [TS]

  and I liked that he was at a little bit of a rebel strict to authority Three him [TS]

  and I think he is what made me care the reason I cared about the book is because I liked him [TS]

  and I cared about what happened to him I felt I felt a relationship with him [TS]

  and I actually thought whenever they went back to NASA [TS]

  or they went back to the other spacecraft that's heading back to Earth the people that have left him behind. [TS]

  I found all of that completely boring because there were no characters there I cared about there was no on a lot [TS]

  and I thought that was all quite the factory and was very believable to me it is felt like or any old book [TS]

  but are so Mark what needs a character I liked him I thought it was Cohen to be friend. [TS]

  He's smart and he's funny he's joking around but he's resourceful and [TS]

  and there are always problems with the way things are written [TS]

  and there's all that tedious detail to get through about litres of water and spreading. [TS]

  But a lot to the guy and I wanted him to somehow get get out of this problem [TS]

  and that's what kept me going I couldn't I just want to know whether [TS]

  or not my night was going to get out of I'm not of course on the reverse here where I found the sections where they [TS]

  switch the narrative to NASA [TS]

  and everybody running the mission as like a as a relief in the book I thought oh boy I want to find out if this team of [TS]

  people can pull off this mission of what are they going to do. [TS]

  Which again is kind of ridiculous because that is also a made up problem that they're coming up with made up solutions [TS]

  for but I found that the details whenever they were talking about the NASA section were at a more appropriate level [TS]

  and I enjoyed those sections much better know that there's a daytime may be true [TS]

  but I thought the people walk on even remember any of them. [TS]

  Carnivorous I can remember the captain of the ship I think [TS]

  but I can't remember any of the other characters I would completely just went by me like the land nobody's Yes [TS]

  but I have a note here. [TS]

  Laughing out when you were describing your like of the main character because I wrote Does anyone find this funny. [TS]

  Question mark question mark because this this was my other main main bullet point which is do you read any Stephen King [TS]

  books well I'm listening to what at the moment [TS]

  but I haven't read a lot of red to us right maybe a yeah yeah I know you're listening to the J.F.K. [TS]

  One [TS]

  but you haven't you haven't read a bunch of his books not definitely know a bunch of crap a thing that I kept thinking [TS]

  when I was reading this is there's a certain kind of humor. [TS]

  Which I find in books which I felt that this character Mark what me had which to me just seems like saying silly things [TS]

  and I find no humor in this at all and I like Stephen King quite a lot but one thing that really irritates me [TS]

  when I read lots of his books is when he wants to have a funny character. [TS]

  It read the exact same way as the Mark Wotte me character in this book reads of Stephen King will have a character say [TS]

  a silly thing and it just it does not register with me at all it does not move the humor needle at all [TS]

  and I just find it an extraordinarily grading person how they so all of the sections where he's making jokes. [TS]

  Is none of that registers [TS]

  and I would be the annoyed guy at NASA can we move along here you know we were we have something to do [TS]

  and great I think that's if you know I mean I mean you're here I'm a NATO is is not always the easiest thing to move [TS]

  anyway there's lots of written stuff that I find funny [TS]

  but this just seemed another incarnation of this same way that [TS]

  when an author wants to make a character funny I feel like the characters are always funny in the same way. [TS]

  Where they're really just silly or wacky and I highlighted this was almost at the very end of the book [TS]

  but I highlighted the one passage that really put me over the edge in terms of this kind of joke. [TS]

  Yeah like NASA is asking him if he needs anything [TS]

  and he says if I could have anything it would be a radio to ask NASA for a safe path. [TS]

  Around the ramp Well if I could have anything it would be a green skinned beautiful queen of Mars to rescue me so she [TS]

  can learn more about this earth thing called love making [TS]

  and I just feel like it's not funny it's just silly it's just that one was just like it's as a groaned out loud I think [TS]

  on the airplane I can't remember that one of the way you read it certainly is certainly didn't make me for not giving [TS]

  him any favors the with the with the way I'm reading that kind of gallows humor [TS]

  and I imagine I would be like that confronted with that situation I would have that kind of gallows humor. [TS]

  He knew where the weather with it I mean he was definitely corny he was differently like making data Corning is a good [TS]

  way to the but but that was his personality and when he started having email contact or text contact back with NASA [TS]

  and he starts making like silly silly jokes to me and I tell him to be serious. [TS]

  Well I met just what his luck he's like he's a corny dude and he's Columbo [TS]

  but that that is a personality trait I know cornball corny people and some of the movements and a lot of them [TS]

  and I would not describe them as like comedy geniuses but I like them and that cornball corny jokes nature to him [TS]

  and that gallows humor he keeps using isn't the only part of his personality [TS]

  but he just seems like a real character to me and women of the with the at last a character [TS]

  or don't like a character if a character seems real I find that quite compelling [TS]

  and I feel for whatever reason I remember thinking when I was reading a lot what needs seems like a real guy to me. [TS]

  He I don't know I just. [TS]

  I did kind of like him but also importantly I believed I believed he was real and therefore I wanted him to live [TS]

  and all those NASA paper which is cardboard cutouts sitting sitting sitting at computers and analyzing data [TS]

  and sinking [TS]

  and even the people in the ship were kind of characters I feel so guilty we we we made a mistake we must go back I will [TS]

  agree with you there I mean even though I enjoyed the sections where they're they're talking about the astronauts who [TS]

  are currently in space. [TS]

  Aside from the captain I kept being aware of I don't know how many other people are on the ship [TS]

  and our just I'm confused with the dialogue because yes there was there were no distinct characters there whatsoever [TS]

  and I think oh I like the NASA sections better [TS]

  but casting my mind back I have his vague recollections of there's a director and there's like a pushy P.R. [TS]

  Person and there's the hard working woman who get he made the breakthrough yet [TS]

  but it's very it's very hard to to come up with anything in particular but you're totally right with the corny [TS]

  and this is just a a personality difference because you mentioned for example dad humor and I have always thought [TS]

  but what is it that happens to men where it seems like once they have a child. [TS]

  There's some chemical shift in their brain. [TS]

  We're now puns are the height of humour and I've just I've never found a pun funny [TS]

  but I have definitely seen men all of a sudden after having a baby. [TS]

  Shift into this bizarre dad humor [TS]

  and I really think some kind of biological shift I wonder if I were to have a baby would I suddenly think that puns are [TS]

  punny right because they're not a bit as just that kind of stuff drives me crazy [TS]

  and he has this sort of humor was along those lines so is why I would be much much more resistant to it that I'm not a [TS]

  big I'm not a big fan of that stuff but side bar is there. [TS]

  A biological change in men when they have children about the humor they like I demand answers. Someone's Ph D. [TS]

  In neuroscience. Needs to be on this topic. Alright so thumbs down from grass. [TS]

  I'm giving it a thumbs up it's not a masterpiece it's just been I just it's the other thing is it's A.Z.'s pottery [TS]

  and it's it's not yeah it's that's the other reason it's you know it's like a hot knife through butter reading that [TS]

  book you just it's a real Pike you're not you know sitting there. [TS]

  Think shall engine anyway [TS]

  and it was always hopeful that may definitely contributes to why it is a more popular book I mean I have to say I'm [TS]

  always very happy to see anybody who starts off as self published as this author was achieve a nominal success I always [TS]

  like that you know easy to read. [TS]

  Definitely definitely goes along with that it helps grease the wheels the only other thing I did want to talk about was [TS]

  just the movie a little bit. [TS]

  Yeah how did you feel I guess you didn't carry through this experience that it because I read the book before the movie [TS]

  was announced I was going in the Headed you feel [TS]

  when you heard that Matt Damon was going to be not quite two things here the first was [TS]

  when I decided I'm going to buy the Martian and give it a try [TS]

  when I went to buy it the cover is a big picture of Matt Damon's face [TS]

  and this is always something that drives me crazy with books I've never ever you know what I used to buy a lot of books [TS]

  I'm sitting in a room right now with a whole bunch of books that have been collected over over my lifetime my parents [TS]

  lifetime and I would never ever ever buy the movie version of the book. [TS]

  Yeah I can only assume that they sell well because they always come out but I personally hate them [TS]

  and I'm always suspicious of the kind of reader who would buy the movie cover of the book. [TS]

  Totally with you on that one Greg. [TS]

  Yeah and I had a thought which if anybody at Apple is listening I was looking at the thing [TS]

  and I thought this is an electronic book it's not a real book. [TS]

  Why can I select the cover that I want to have in my library. [TS]

  Why do I have to have Matt Damon's face looking at me if this is not a physical object anymore I should be able to [TS]

  select whatever the first edition cover was but no man to man was there [TS]

  and it was almost enough to make me not buy the book but I did. [TS]

  Overcome at the last second to get it just as the wheels were lifting off Matt Damon [TS]

  but it did also cause the problem as I was reading the book I kept thinking Matt Damon is he this character. [TS]

  Remotely I don't think so I mean I can imagine that would have really affected how much I'd like to mock what NE [TS]

  and I mean that dime a dozen more right stuff and he does some rubbish and [TS]

  and you know you can think what you want to bet him but I did have a blank slate for my mouth. [TS]

  What may [TS]

  and if I had met Damon preloaded as much what name I might not be saying quite the nice things about him that I am well [TS]

  maybe Owatonna I'll never know because I can't do it again but I don't have strong feelings about Matt Damon one way [TS]

  or the other so it's not like oh I don't [TS]

  or do really like him I just add a few times I thought because of the humor I thought I have a hard time imagining Matt [TS]

  Damon do this [TS]

  but I didn't feel like Matt Damon was in my brain as I was reading the book because I thought these characters seem so [TS]

  different. [TS]

  He seems like a very strange casting choice for this person but so I always knew that the movie was out [TS]

  and just just before we started recording this pod cast I thought I want to watch the trailer because I've seen some [TS]

  people talking about it when it first came out [TS]

  and the trailer is the perhaps the most magnificent least spoiler task Dick trailer I have ever seen it with this. [TS]

  Down doing I mean the trailers whatever it is two or three. [TS]

  Three minutes long but it hits every single plot point in the whole book. Yeah I was amazed. [TS]

  I'm trying to remember actually I have watched a few times and I don't remember [TS]

  when I showed it to my wife because she knew that I enjoyed the book [TS]

  and I said other making the film let's watch the trailer together and I think we watched it twice. [TS]

  Larger of being struck by the quantity of spoilers and I do agree I do agree with your observation [TS]

  but if you want to look at it. Join watch it again. [TS]

  Yeah I to let me watch it you want to right now I'm watching it [TS]

  and watching it OK you watch it on your watch again as well it is a good trailer if you ignore spoiler issues it does [TS]

  make you think I want to go and see the film. [TS]

  I wish to cry so you just watch the trailer again I wish there was one thing I thought they didn't spoil them around [TS]

  that it spoil all of the major plot points the trailer hits yet which if you're listening to us talk now we're assuming [TS]

  that you're OK with spoilers with it's the storm that comes his have has an explosion he finds the probe The [TS]

  communicate with NASA NASA comes up with the plan to rescue him. The astronaut's already in space. [TS]

  Decide to do a mutiny and turn their space ship around [TS]

  and they show that the final take off where he is rescued from Mars it's just amazing they even have a shot showing [TS]

  like the number on the wall how many days he's been alive [TS]

  and things like that whether it's always it's always deliver you know what there are so many spoilers it didn't even [TS]

  cross my mind that showing him writing four hundred sixty one on the wall is also a massive oil [TS]

  or I love you if you're going to survive the it's amazing I will I will say this face if you hadn't read the book a lot [TS]

  of those spoilers would have been lost on me. [TS]

  That is truly like you would do the take off your pre-programmed couldn't of clocks that was him taking off from. [TS]

  Somehow you could easily have missed that you wouldn't have clocked at that was the old NASA probe that he was rubbing [TS]

  the dust off [TS]

  and using to to get back in touch with you definitely wouldn't have picked up on that if you didn't know the book [TS]

  or you weren't very annoyed with mushing history so in some ways the spoiler is only spoiling for people who've read [TS]

  the book anyway and it's telling us what things of matter [TS]

  and what have it I don't think it shows him flipping his vehicle which is was a big moment in the book as well wasn't [TS]

  it when he dropped when he's driving long distances [TS]

  and if that's true that's true I don't think the show that maybe they had films that yet so they couldn't couldn't cram [TS]

  later here might not be in there but I will I will just say again that at least for me [TS]

  when I watch these trailers what I mean by spoilers is even if I don't know what the thing is I am very aware of shots [TS]

  like oh there's a different space ship taking off and [TS]

  when I'm watching the movie My brain just has a little checklist of all of the shots that we saw in a trailer [TS]

  and is ticking them off and I've been in movies so many times where I'm just sitting there in my brain is thinking. [TS]

  Others to things in the trailer we haven't seen yet we haven't seen him seen him go up to a pile of robotic stuff [TS]

  and we haven't seen that second spaceships I'm just waiting and just hate that so much so yeah. [TS]

  Even if you don't know what's going on is still spoilers I haven't got your memory for trailers I don't have what the [TS]

  same problem you are lucky you are right [TS]

  and that is that that trailer is that is basically the whole film from start to finish this you know it really is if [TS]

  they as look you know the only thing they don't rule out is that there's a last second he dies because of some mishap [TS]

  in the transfer [TS]

  or something that they didn't show him back on Earth that there have been you're lying for like having a having a drink. [TS]

  Tussling is kids hair or whatever that's the way and Hollywood one in the movie The My final thought on this though is. [TS]

  Watching the trailer I thought this is going to make a way better movie than a book. [TS]

  There there are times when books are turned into movies that are superior than them [TS]

  and watching the trailer I thought oh I bet this is going to be a much much more enjoyable movie than the book because [TS]

  I think the movie's going to force it to cut down on the techno babble a little bit [TS]

  and seeing Matt Damon playing the character I thought OK he's just playing a character [TS]

  but it is it doesn't necessarily have to be exactly like the guy in the book me can just be a you know a slightly [TS]

  wisecracking astronaut and it is much more palatable sometimes on film if you I my my where edgier bit more map more. [TS]

  Yeah it more chase him down one bit less exactly exactly he can be more Jason Bourne and less Mark what me [TS]

  and so I just that was my conclusion was I thought this is probably going to be a movie that is way more enjoyable [TS]

  and successful than the book is I think my critics I think the movie will be poorer for not having that unusual written [TS]

  log [TS]

  and I think there's something quite special about the transition from him only being able to write to them being able [TS]

  to you know text in that [TS]

  and I think turning into of a log which is what they're going to do because I have to yeah the media they have to do. [TS]

  Yeah I think that's a loss. [TS]

  I think something's lost there [TS]

  but I don't know I'm always a bit worried about Martian films because I always have high hopes for films about mass [TS]

  and they so often disappoint mission to Mars from a remains the worst film ever made in the history of movies. [TS]

  Yes although there is a bit of American flag that film because whenever it's on T.V. [TS]

  A I will watch it because it's so bad it wraps around her self [TS]

  and I join the parents of a so I've watched the way more than of what some films I love that motion films very often [TS]

  missed the mark so let's hope let's hope this one's OK. [TS]

  There's a mostly my my final thought you could not disappoint a few people that really love the book because [TS]

  when you set as homework a few people got pretty excited because I love the book so much so you're going to disappoint [TS]

  you see people there but you've got a call that you got a call if you see it grow [TS]

  and my disappointment for things shouldn't affect how other people feel about things. [TS]

  That's not relevant if they read the book and they enjoyed it I am I hope they did. [TS]

  Yeah and I would never wish a bad experience on anybody I would hope that they enjoy the book [TS]

  but you know we have to complain about something on the part cast Yeah that's that's that's how this works. [TS]

  Yep there we go. The Martian you Rick. [TS]

  Yet again we have recommended a book for homework and then [TS]

  when the time comes to discuss that one of us has absolutely slammed thought it was a waste of time to raid yeah is to [TS]

  say not awful [TS]

  but I would have I would have rather read almost anything else they're not going to put that on the cover of A [TS]

  and also I would rather have read almost anything else. C.D.P. Great hello internet. [TS]