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H.I. #37: Penguins and Politics

 

  In the last episode you put that bit of sort of like made up bonus footage at the end [TS]

  and I think you put that like you know put it in because it like Justified you [TS]

  but I think it justified maybe like it vindicated my memory and you think it vindicated your memory. [TS]

  I put that that little that little audio clip at the end the end to vindicate me. [TS]

  However there was a problem when I exploited it that it did not include your audio. [TS]

  It only included my audio [TS]

  and if you only listen to my side of the conversation it definitely sounded like you were right. [TS]

  But trust me people I was right. I'm not working. [TS]

  I'm sending this evidence your honor and it actually makes my client look guilty [TS]

  but trust me it makes him look not guilty we have very little follow up before we get to the business of penguins [TS]

  and politics which I think are going to dominate this podcast. [TS]

  Yes we talked about a moment she and my ignorance of a mochi and to sort of set the record straight [TS]

  and help me better understand how Moji works rather embarrassingly. [TS]

  Everyone has been pointing out a video on the computer file Chano which of course is my channel [TS]

  but I must hasten to point out I did not make all the videos in fact I make hardly any of the videos on there [TS]

  and I do not watch all of the videos on there. [TS]

  It's run by my friend Sean and he made a video with Tom Scott all about M O G which I had watched some of to be fair [TS]

  but kind of had forgotten bits of it so never mind saying Brady How can you not know this you've got a whole video that [TS]

  you made about I have not made a video about a video was made about on my channel but not by me. [TS]

  So it is a bit awkward and embarrassing but it's not like I made the video [TS]

  and then forgot all the stuff to be fair though you could not possibly be expected to remember everything that has [TS]

  happened in all of the videos that you have made. [TS]

  How many topics have you covered for which you retained no knowledge now. [TS]

  I mean it must be it must be hundreds of topics. [TS]

  I guess it would have gotten to the point now where there are videos I completely have forgotten nation having made [TS]

  but I will also say that I am sometimes caught out slightly embarrassed in conversations for the same phenomenon where [TS]

  someone is asking me about a detail of something in my video and of course I have made vastly fewer videos than you [TS]

  and I find that my brain almost just dumps a huge amount of the knowledge I have acquired once the video making process [TS]

  is over and so I am reeling in aware of how if I'm ever thinking about linking back [TS]

  or vaguely referencing one of my videos I will have to watch that video again because I can't remember all the stuff [TS]

  that I researched about it like. But to pull one out of the air. [TS]

  I remember putting together a video about how the primary election system works in the United States [TS]

  and I remember being very interested in that. [TS]

  And today I couldn't hide confidently tell you very much about the details of how that works. [TS]

  I would I would need to reference my own video even though I made it. [TS]

  So these things can slip through the mind even if you do create them. [TS]

  The thing is even worse is actually still haven't gone back [TS]

  and watched Oh I was going to thinking are you about to enlighten me on a process by which emoji are selected. [TS]

  I'm just going to recommend a fantastic computer file video featuring the brilliant I'm so it was a really good video [TS]

  has been has been a good one is a good one. [TS]

  Tom is very good you know I gather a lot of good ones but I still haven't gone back and watched it. [TS]

  But speaking of You Tube We only have one more follow up on it [TS]

  and here I think this is this isn't even really a follow up item. [TS]

  We basically have a tiny segment now which is called half hour so we can have a segment that I can't pronounce grey you [TS]

  just make me look bad everywhere like half the raid half assed or a perfect perfect break don't don't overthink it. [TS]

  You're doing great. This isn't exactly half ass are you so much as just as just like a complaint that I want to. [TS]

  Only lodge with You Tube and it is there. I'm not exactly sure how new it is but it is there. Auto play feature now. [TS]

  Are you familiar with this new auto play feature on photo play was really on hold and then it went away [TS]

  and hasn't come back. Just different to what I'm thinking of you going to have to help me here. [TS]

  OK so what they have had for a long time [TS]

  and what I believe they used to call auto play was if you link to a video that is in a playlist the You Tube will [TS]

  automatically play the next video in that playlist but it feels like within the past six weeks [TS]

  or so if someone sends you a youtube video and they say oh here watch you know watch this this funny cat video [TS]

  when you click on the link right and there's a cat doing something funny for ten seconds. [TS]

  The instant that video is over youtube automatically starts playing another video then like if you like a ten second [TS]

  countdown or something but it's really hard to figure out where to click. [TS]

  There's a little dial on the screen that counts down from five [TS]

  or maybe it counts down from one I don't know whatever it is it seems to go by so fast [TS]

  and it's really hard to figure out what to click to stop [TS]

  and I know that I have done it wrong almost every time because I think that the center of the circle has a little [TS]

  triangle which is like play like oh do you want to skip this countdown [TS]

  and just immediately I know I've messed it up many times trying to not play the next video [TS]

  and I always end up playing it anyway but I find this feature just. [TS]

  So anti user is the best way to put it or the user hostile. [TS]

  Nobody would request this [TS]

  and say oh you know what I would love I would love every time I went to a youtube video it also showed me a random [TS]

  youtube video that I did not request. Nobody would nobody would want this. [TS]

  There is one person who may request you because if someone has just watched to see a G.P. [TS]

  Gray video I think it's more likely than not the recommended next video will be another C.D.P. Gravity. [TS]

  So actually if anyone benefits from. It's you and me. [TS]

  I don't I don't think it is because as far as I can tell [TS]

  when I have occasionally watched You Tube videos that have been produced by any of the people in our circle who make [TS]

  educational videos the next video just seems to be random. [TS]

  OK it's not like if I watch a smarter every day video the next one is a smarter every day videos Well it's it's bizarre. [TS]

  It's absolutely bizarre. [TS]

  And they're using their you know who they're who knows whatever it is they're magic algorithm to select a video out of [TS]

  the ether for you to watch next. [TS]

  It's just such a hostile system and I know what You Tube is doing [TS]

  and the only reason that something like this happens is I have to imagine a bunch of. [TS]

  Board members [TS]

  and You Tube sitting around smoking their cigars right in a dimly lit evil looking meeting room saying we need to [TS]

  inflate view numbers for advertisers so we can make more money how can we best do this. [TS]

  I know let's make sure to randomly start playing videos at every possible opportunity and I will use [TS]

  or love it no users will hate it [TS]

  but it will definitely at least double our view numbers which will also double our revenue. [TS]

  When I think of this feature that's how I imagine this went down in a meeting like I would love to hear from You Tube [TS]

  Tell Me You Tube What do you think is the benefit to users of this feature. [TS]

  I can't I have a very hard time imagining a convincing argument for the whole of course I can [TS]

  and I can imagine what that's how say oh it's helping them discover new [TS]

  and amazing content they would never have otherwise have found. [TS]

  We are using a clever algorithm to navigate them through the jungle [TS]

  and help them find the best possible content I can easily imagine what that lame answer will be. [TS]

  I'm sure that's what they would say [TS]

  but their mouth would just be smelling like that's all it would be like oh God Can you please turn away. [TS]

  Don't talk to me directly when you're saying I must leave unsaid. [TS]

  Because it is dirty it's a lie it's a lie that you tell yourself and that you tell others. [TS]

  Netflix are the masters of this I mean you need it you need a degree in computer science [TS]

  and the reflexes of a judge to avoid the next film or the next T.V. [TS]

  Show starting at the end of a show like because the screen shrinks and I say this is going to start in ten seconds [TS]

  and you're like you've got your little Apple Remote [TS]

  or your computer going oh we don't like which which button do I click in my head away. [TS]

  How do I stop it from the next one's already started. [TS]

  It's very funny it's very funny that you mention this because I was actually going to use Netflix as the counterfactual [TS]

  to this we have recently signed up with Netflix and we've been using it a little bit [TS]

  and I actually really like their auto play feature when you're binge watching television of course right. [TS]

  I think that like that is nice that is exactly what I want to say hey guess what Netflix you are right I do want to [TS]

  watch the next episode of daredevil please just keep it playing on the screen like let's let's let's work our way [TS]

  through this. [TS]

  I don't watch movies very often on Netflix so I don't know do they start playing a random movie [TS]

  when your movie ends I don't think they do. I'm applying more to T.V. [TS]

  As well like when I'm watching something like at the moment we're watching The Good Wife [TS]

  and you always get the next one straight away and I'm going to quote you back to you. [TS]

  I remember you talking about Kendall's I think it was and finishing a book [TS]

  and saying Can I just have a few seconds to just absorb what happened and think about it [TS]

  and not have another book like recommended to me immediately. [TS]

  Often that's not Netflix at the end of an episode of a show when something's just happened [TS]

  and you've had a finale I feel like I want just a few seconds to absorb or maybe turn to my wife [TS]

  and talk about what just happened not not be sort of panicking trying to think oh no how can I stop the next one [TS]

  starting I don't want to say I don't want to catch the first few seconds of the next one because it might spoil [TS]

  something or ruin the moment bike and I can't believe you don't think that I can't believe. You don't think. [TS]

  Hang on guys just give me a second. [TS]

  Well at least let me make a simple command to say let's have the next episode done to shove it [TS]

  and they don't throw it at me before I've had time. Yeah I'm realizing actually lasts. [TS]

  Yes Last night we did watch in my house a movie on Netflix and it did not auto recommend another movie [TS]

  and I would completely feel that way of hey guys give me a second. [TS]

  You know just watch the hobbit [TS]

  and I need a little time to just recover to grieve if you can't you can't start playing Legally Blonde right away it's [TS]

  just too much it's too much of a tone shift. They don't do with movies but with T.V. [TS]

  and Particularly I feel that a lot of the Netflix T.V. [TS]

  Is designed to be watched right in a row so I don't I don't have that feeling at the end of an individual television [TS]

  episode. Usually at the end of a T.V. Episode my exact thought is I need the next one. [TS]

  Right now I'm not saying don't make it easy to watch the next one. [TS]

  I'm just saying don't make it almost compulsory [TS]

  and difficult to avoid because like the guy always has a quick stop at stop before [TS]

  and I'm like oh I don't know what the facts would have started before I figured out how to work my Apple Remote [TS]

  and the wrong angle for the infra red and I know the next one's already started and like. [TS]

  Every everything about this to me is really funny because one I love the notion of the technological problem as being [TS]

  fifty percent of the problem in your house. T.V. Set ups like actual physical T.V. [TS]

  Set ups are always very difficult about which remote and what the input and how to do this [TS]

  and I don't live my life like that where I'm almost always watching Netflix just on an i Pad with my headphones in so I [TS]

  can just reach out with my hand and exactly press the button that I want and there's none of this remote nonsense. [TS]

  Or when my wife and I watch T.V. We don't actually watch it on a T.V. [TS]

  We just have and i mac that functions as a television so it's just a big computer but you want to have remotes [TS]

  and yes there's going to be panicking. [TS]

  Problem some things are going to go all wrong [TS]

  and it seems like maybe you are more susceptible than that to most people [TS]

  but I don't think Netflix are as evil as the way you should be doing it but I still think they haven't nailed it [TS]

  and I think you're being too kind on them I would say that the Netflix feature can be genuinely customer centric [TS]

  and you know that it is because they don't have ad numbers that they are potentially trying to inflate [TS]

  and as far as I can tell they are always showing you the next thing in a sequential series as opposed to You Tube which [TS]

  almost certainly is just trying to inflate ad numbers [TS]

  and as we have discussed many times has no concept of serial content no concept at all just two other minor points [TS]

  about why we are all we are talking about this that I just want to mention which when I originally set up my R.S.S. [TS]

  Subscription so that people could use R.S.S. To get my videos. [TS]

  I had a huge number of people say Oh but don't you know on your youtube channel there's a there's an R.S.S. [TS]

  Feed that people can sign up for so they can be notified of of when you have a new video up. [TS]

  And since we know that You Tube seems to be changing the way that their business works. [TS]

  One of the things they have now done is they have taken away the built in R.S.S. Feeds. [TS]

  So I've heard from a lot of people who used to be tracking all of their videos from various channels in order with [TS]

  R.S.S. That is now not an option. You Tube has taken that away. [TS]

  And apparently the subscription section on You Tube that people used to be able to go to to see all of the videos see [TS]

  all the channels that they have subscribed to. [TS]

  It used to have a feature called collections where you could arrange a bunch of channels together to say oh I want to [TS]

  see all the new videos from my favorite educational You Tubers. [TS]

  So here's crash course and here is periodic videos and he will be gray and I can see new ones from this group [TS]

  and I got a whole lot of e-mails from people so. [TS]

  Saying that You Tube has also removed this feature so it's just it's so clear like piece by piece You Tube is taking [TS]

  away all of the little abilities for the user to control and keep track of their own viewing experience [TS]

  and they just keep pushing more and more these features that sort of do it automatically [TS]

  or they want to try to handle it for you [TS]

  and I don't I don't like that I don't like that at all I just want to say to keep watching our videos on You Tube So [TS]

  people feel like we spend a lot of telling people how awful You Tube is just like our job. [TS]

  Well you can watch my videos on R.S.S. or On You Tube I'm perfectly fine either way. [TS]

  Please don't send Brady and I tweets or e-mails about how you can turn off the youtube auto play feature. [TS]

  I am very aware that this is a possibility. [TS]

  I'm sure Brady knows that you can turn off the You Tube auto play feature as well [TS]

  but there are many reasons why it won't work unless you're logged in or it's remembered your preferences [TS]

  or you use a different browser. So we're just complaining about it because we come across that kind of a lot. [TS]

  But yes I do know that you can turn it off but it is it cannot. You'll still run into it even if you try to avoid it. [TS]

  So I'm just trying to avoid a million e-mails. Good luck with that. [TS]

  Yeah they've already been sent That's the problem I did it in the beginning so before we've already gotten them [TS]

  and people never send Oh I'm sorry. [TS]

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  What a weekend we had I saw a whole lot of you breaking that sense. [TS]

  Rood We finally had a long awaited Star Wars penguin Bristol Zoo David Prowse mate. Hello Internet. [TS]

  Extravaganza Yes it was held on stand against the war it was Saturday May the night [TS]

  and only a small number of people with and of the risk of being a bit mean to the people who wanted to come [TS]

  but didn't get tickets I think we should talk about what a fun day we had to tell people a bit about it. [TS]

  The good and the bad the highs and the lows the laughs the tears the good times bad times. [TS]

  Any other opposite things I can say I know where you're going with this. [TS]

  And also it didn't it didn't to me seem like a small group of people. [TS]

  There were like forty people there all told you about a lot more people wanted to come who didn't get tickets. [TS]

  OK I guess if we're looking at the set of people who wanted to come versus the set of people who came it was a small [TS]

  number of people. [TS]

  But I'm thinking of it from the perspective of oh you and I right we should we show up at the zoo [TS]

  and there's a crowd of forty people standing around that's a lot of people I guess. I live near Bristol. Yes you do. [TS]

  You came up on the train you in your life you came up and then and met with met with us and we went for lunch [TS]

  and you walked over to the Clifton Suspension Bridge one of my top five favorite bridges [TS]

  and you you got to say it I was very impressed with the Clifton Suspension Bridge you look very nice even though half [TS]

  of it was under renovation at the time you took a photo were you doing that just to sort of to human made to make me [TS]

  feel good or did you actually want a photo of it I would never Uma you in such a way. [TS]

  Brady I thought it was great to get a photo of you and I in front of the bridge. [TS]

  Yeah I thought that was really good [TS]

  and they have to you have to remember the day because this is this is the thing you need the photographs otherwise [TS]

  future you will never will never remember what past you did unless you have photographs. [TS]

  That's true I'll be sad and cry he never came to the bridge and you can say yes I did and I'll be I know you didn't [TS]

  and then you say well look at this this is why we need proof. [TS]

  I do this all the time and they take pictures of stuff just to remember that it happened at some point. [TS]

  Oh and I want to get us on the bridge and it was it was the world's most lovely day to walk across the bridge [TS]

  and go to the zoo we really lucked out with the weather which was nice. [TS]

  We didn't date so we arrived and we met with all the various people who who had come along [TS]

  and then the first part of the day was a zoo expert whose name I believe was Nigel. [TS]

  He was like a curator of birds [TS]

  and he gave us all the special little talk about the penguins because this whole day was raising money for African [TS]

  penguins conservation of them which is done and down in South Africa and at that point the first surprise. [TS]

  As of the day was sprung upon you you know I like surprises you like surprises and you like being given objects [TS]

  and those two things both happened much much to my surprise. [TS]

  You had sneakily arranged for a penguin to be named after me at the zoo is that the best way to describe how this came [TS]

  out I was I was almost overwhelmed and confused when it happened and I was trying to think who did this [TS]

  and I think you did this and you arrange this. [TS]

  Well I suggest it's it's actually very unusual for animals at the zoo to be formally named And I think any one of two [TS]

  penguins of the numerous penguins have names [TS]

  but because we've managed to with the help of our viewers raise so much money for the conservation of penguins [TS]

  and because maybe they just thought we would NASCAR The zoo said OK we will we want to quit going to name a penguin [TS]

  C.D.P. Grey and they had a couple of newborn chicks so I went along on the first day before and said. [TS]

  Let's get some photos and video footage of the penguin So when Gray finds out I can put a video on You Tube [TS]

  or a blog and we can you know show everyone what the penguin looks like so I went along to the zoo [TS]

  and they had not yet chosen the penguin [TS]

  and there were there were two chicks so I turned up at the enclosure with the capers [TS]

  and I said Well which one are we going to go see to be grey [TS]

  and the decision was made so easy by the fact that there was one big fat very grey fluffy penguin coat grey with a grey [TS]

  number tag on a swing just sitting there next to his dad doing nothing [TS]

  and the other one was nowhere to be the other one was off having adventures. [TS]

  So I said I'm going to use that one the other penguin having adventures is informally named Well that's not the case [TS]

  but that the big fat slow when doing nothing. Procrastinating if you think of. [TS]

  Ask him for his father to vomit into its mouth. That is a G.P. [TS]

  Grey and I will tell you the penguin that is named after Gray always named C.D.P. [TS]

  Gray is the one wearing the wig tag number eight two zero five eight three. [TS]

  You need binoculars are very good vision to say because the tags are very small so that is you [TS]

  and there's a certificate they gave you an official difficult to do it [TS]

  and there's these official database of the zoo animals [TS]

  and that's going to be officially amended to have your name on it so it becomes the real deal [TS]

  but the thing I didn't tell you and the thing I found is we don't actually know what gender C.D.P. [TS]

  Gray and that is not something you will find until it has its six monthly health check when they take a sample [TS]

  and send it off they don't lift up the Fed doesn't have a look. They do it with science. [TS]

  So in about four months time we will find out if C.G. P. Gray The penguin is a boy or a girl. [TS]

  And presumably by that time it'll be more of a black and white penguin. [TS]

  Not such a great penguin luck is a moment when you say they do with science they do it with a D.N.A. [TS]

  Test is that what you mean. [TS]

  I think so I think that they take a bit of blood and they also take like Feather samples and they do it with. [TS]

  So I'm presuming that just yet. I must just today and I you know about chicken sexers. Yes. What do they do. [TS]

  What's the skill to that. [TS]

  The skill to being a chicken sexer is being able to quickly identify the sex of a chicken [TS]

  and there are some very funny videos of chicken sexers at work picking up chickens very quickly pulling up some [TS]

  feathers and then putting them in a pile whether they are the whether they are male chickens [TS]

  or whether they are female chickens so I thought that I thought I'd do that with the penguins [TS]

  but I think they like to touch them as little as possible and I keep keep it real I'm sure C.D.P. [TS]

  Gray the penguin would also prefer to be touched as little as possible. Yes So people go to the show no spot hopefully. [TS]

  TIME In this case I will got my act together probably with gray and will have pictures available [TS]

  and there's a little video of the of the penguin. [TS]

  But the challenge I want to throw down is I want people to go to a priest and take their own pictures [TS]

  or have a selfie with scenes of the grave the penguin in the background and if you do that and sort of Twitter [TS]

  or e-mail or whatever you are going to get the love at least from me maybe even from Gray. [TS]

  It's going to be quite a challenge to find that penguin in that enclosure. [TS]

  Yeah I mean first we're going to go to press to say but [TS]

  but even once you're there this is this is people going to be the hardest Where's Waldo ever especially [TS]

  when Grey grows up a bit [TS]

  and looks like all the other penguins at the moment he's quite unique because he's fluffy yatra [TS]

  and all the other penguins are black and white but in a few months when he becomes black [TS]

  and white you're right that's going to be that's going to Hardcore is basically the challenge is on easy mode now [TS]

  but in so if you want to practice while it's easy now is the time to go and then you can go later [TS]

  and show off your amazing penguin identifying skills later on because they did say the zookeeper did say that all of [TS]

  the Penguins eventually develop a unique pattern of black spots on the front of the chest [TS]

  and so maybe maybe someone when you see to be grey as an adult can find him or her and take a picture [TS]

  and show us the unique pattern of spots on sea to be. [TS]

  Do you feel any kind of attachment or bond lucky you know curious about sort of this penguin's future [TS]

  or are you just like whatever you stupid bratty [TS]

  or are you going to be like like do you think you go to the zoo we're going to say it [TS]

  or anything so this is this is the craziest of the crazy irrational thing that does work I think. Oh yes. [TS]

  For nonsensical reasons I do feel like I hope that penguin turns out OK I hope he has a great life in the zoo [TS]

  or in South Africa if they really reintroduce them into the wild. [TS]

  I don't know if they do that I don't I don't think that will happen to that Penguin it could get transferred to an. [TS]

  OK but I don't think they would really set a lot of time I don't even know I'm talking about. [TS]

  I feel like the bigger the penguin would vastly prefer the easy zoo life then living in South Africa. [TS]

  That might be much harder. [TS]

  I have already told them that I want to go to London film the six month health check up when they do two thousand [TS]

  and ten eleven feathers and stuff [TS]

  and I have also tell gray that I'm going to I'm going to take some extra special pictures [TS]

  and do extra updates for the patron supporters so if you follow how the Internet unpatriotic you will occasionally get [TS]

  like an extra high respect cheer and lack health updates and stuff. [TS]

  Maybe because I think only those people are kind of interested enough to be subjected to such minutiae of their life I [TS]

  think that is an excellent excellent thing to put on the Patriots. [TS]

  I was more I was more flattered than I expected to be and I was and it was a very nice if quite surprising and [TS]

  and slightly derailing for a few moments thing to have done to me so thank you very much for that Brady [TS]

  and of course thank you to the zoo for doing it. [TS]

  Did you have to tell your family that OK so I did tell my my family about it and particularly [TS]

  when I was telling my parents the very first question out of their mouth was why didn't Brady get a penguin. [TS]

  There was the first question. [TS]

  Well I'll tell you why I am more than happy for you to have the penguin because I find that far more amusing [TS]

  but I will say something that happened later on and ruin the chronology of the day. [TS]

  Because later in the day the zoo actually did spring a surprise back on me and it wasn't that I've named a line [TS]

  or something after but what [TS]

  but what they do do is they do have a very limited number of animals that people can adopt [TS]

  and for example in the penguin enclosure there's one penguin that everyone adopts. [TS]

  I think it's called something like Poly or something of that Polly the penguin that they made a special exception [TS]

  and they have made me the official adopter of C.D.P. Gray the penguin. [TS]

  And actually that I have this in front of me here it's in a box [TS]

  and I can see it's not even I haven't adoptions to figure out which which I'm holding in front of me [TS]

  and will all put a scan on the you know notes and stuff. Certificate of adoption. [TS]

  This is to certify that Brady Haran has adopted C.G. B. [TS]

  Grade the Penguin and the parental responsibility has had all these birth certificates [TS]

  and it's really like official looking document. It's really nice. [TS]

  It's somewhere between a real birth certificate and having a Cabbage Patch Kid. [TS]

  But anyway that's fantastic so I was not left out. [TS]

  You may have a penguin but I kind of have I have a daughter I have the adoption of you say everyone was a winner [TS]

  and everyone came away with a little certificate I will keep mine and probably display it in some way. [TS]

  What Grey would do with his. Well you know who knows who knows if he even still has it but I'm sure he does. [TS]

  I'm sure I'm sure even robot grey couldn't throw that one in the trash. [TS]

  It is in my wife's handbag as we speak how she's going to carry everywhere shooting like maybe that's the plan I don't [TS]

  know maybe no Anyway you're out. Anyway it was it was a really fun little moment it was really good with an O.L. [TS]

  I cannot tell you how beautiful the weather was with him when into the penguin enclosure [TS]

  and went to like the public talk and like enough a zoo keeper came out [TS]

  and like to talk to everyone about penguins while they were feeding them fish and stuff like that. C.D.P. [TS]

  Gray was just hiding in the corner with his mom order that he [TS]

  or she did not partake of the fish because Grace too young for that sort of thing [TS]

  but all the other penguins were just freaking out and eating tons and tons of fish. [TS]

  I do have to say that is the moment that I felt the closest to C.D.P. [TS]

  Gray the penguin was when there was a huge huge amount of activity and hustle [TS]

  and bustle going on in this penguin arena [TS]

  and here she decided that the corner was the best place to be the corner behind a bush. Basically by himself. [TS]

  Slate A slate if we're going to be honest the C.D.P. [TS]

  Grey was sleeping out and there was a moment when the zookeeper sort of said oh [TS]

  and by the way thank you to have the internet for coming [TS]

  and your support for the penguins like she'd obviously been told to say this [TS]

  and clearly had no idea what I would say it was the most robotic. [TS]

  Thank you but it was really funny [TS]

  and yet I felt strangely proud like I was like oh wow like we are real thing now because a zoo keeper sent us to a [TS]

  crowd of people and this was all this was all you are doing great now [TS]

  and I had never really was that whole this whole thing together I mean the day you you made the day happen [TS]

  and loathe you should you should take part of this is a magazine you did all the organizing are just part of your [TS]

  instructions and gave a few tips and said it will be funny if you named a penguin after Grey and stuff like that. [TS]

  It was Abby from the zoo who did all the actual work saying thank you to her. [TS]

  So anyway now all of this time by the way not only will be joined by thirty to forty hello internet listeners we were [TS]

  joined by David Prowse so he wasn't just going to sworn in at the end he actually came in listen to the talks [TS]

  and was I was hanging out with us. [TS]

  It was great I got a chance to to shake the hand of a man who has crushed many people's throats through telekinesis. [TS]

  It was quite the honor it was good. [TS]

  So from the from the in the penguin enclosure although it was a beautiful day we did put all kind of nerdy people [TS]

  and went inside to watch videos. [TS]

  It's honestly that did feel like the most perfect moment [TS]

  or as they look at the beautiful day we're going to go inside and watch a movie. [TS]

  So we we went into a little nice little sort of Education Center I have to say with that set up a little makeshift [TS]

  cinema. [TS]

  We were given some biscuits and some tea and we hung out a bit and then we all took S.A.T.'s [TS]

  and it was time to watch it was time to watch Star Wars Episode four A New Hope with the IN THE AUDIENCE Yes. [TS]

  Special time was and it was a very special time. It was a very special time. [TS]

  Now I want to I want to say something about this film. We're watching Star Wars. We're sitting down the lights are off. [TS]

  The movie begins and the way this works is [TS]

  when we were talking about originally we were going to be watching Star Wars one of my initial concerns was which [TS]

  version of Star Wars are we going to watch it is you just going to handle this how is this going to work [TS]

  and I wanted to make sure that we watched a version that I may have. [TS]

  OK I'm not going to die a virgin I do have which is the Star Wars de specialized editions. [TS]

  So for people who may be unaware that the specialized editions are this kind of amazing amazing piece of work where I [TS]

  think the team of people have gone through [TS]

  and done their best to collect as much of the original footage that has been made available from Lucas film from the [TS]

  original Star Wars and kind of. [TS]

  Correct for the colors and clean it up [TS]

  but also take out all of the George Lucas special edition nonsense stuff that was added in the late ninety's I think it [TS]

  was a Special Edition and On hundred percent sure. [TS]

  Well there are a few different special editions where it was kind of the meddling was kind of done in stages. [TS]

  That was yeah that was one of the things as well there are several versions of this [TS]

  but I don't I don't I don't know exactly who is behind this [TS]

  but I can tell you that if I was if I was in charge of the government I would give the people who have done those D. [TS]

  Specialize editions a medal of cultural preservation of the highest order. [TS]

  It's an amazing it's an amazing piece of work to see the only thing that's a little bit weird about watching them is [TS]

  that the resolution sometimes flips a bit from kind of low resolution footage to you. [TS]

  High resolution footage if they weren't able to get a couple of shots in high resolution because the only high [TS]

  resolution versions available are ones with specialized crap all over them. [TS]

  So the way this worked is we discussed it well OK obviously we have to watch the dispenser [TS]

  but these specialized editions so in my defense a gray You didn't even have to tell me this. [TS]

  I basically came to you and said This is what we're going to do [TS]

  and you were like of course you were like I felt like you were a bit proud of me like I said we're going to we're going [TS]

  to go fifty specialized family I had already thought about this [TS]

  and taken the bull by the horns I had already discussed this with you. Like I was I was all over this. [TS]

  I didn't need to be told this to either of the two of us I would probably say that you are the bigger Star Wars fan I [TS]

  think if you could rank Star Wars itude you would be higher on this than I am. [TS]

  And we discussed this many times I think it's because you're like you are slightly older than I am I never did you did [TS]

  you see them in the theaters or not I don't remember I saw the only one I saw in the theater was Return of the jet. [TS]

  OK they have that would make sense. Yeah I never saw any of them in the theater I only ever saw them on on V.H.S. [TS]

  As a kid yet. So but anyway. Anyway this is this is all to the side so I had to given you the D. [TS]

  Specialized addition [TS]

  and then you specialized isn't too busy we need to get you to actually give it to me quite a long time ago like almost [TS]

  a year ago. Yeah whatever whenever we first started talking about this. [TS]

  Yeah I gave it to you [TS]

  and then I think the day before the zoo I gave it to you again just to make sure I was like oh my God we got to watch [TS]

  the specialized addition you send to me again but I said Don't worry I've already give it to them [TS]

  but I sent it to them I said this is the one to show they said it will have a daily days back up [TS]

  and I said Don't worry this is the one to show and I had electronically sent to them. [TS]

  I said make sure this works played up on the big screen first if there's a problem that we know will bring on a year [TS]

  especially you know this is a very particular version we want to show and I would I would say I did. [TS]

  No from Adam but I would like [TS]

  or would you say I'm absolutely sure the zookeepers are like OK nerds like you don't know why you're being so picky [TS]

  about this but whatever guys. Yeah but this is basically the nerd equivalent of like there can be no green M. [TS]

  and M's in R M N M Bolduc it has to be this exact but you know you guys yet. [TS]

  But anyway when we [TS]

  when we start to watch the movie suddenly there is a moment where there are stormtroopers writing dinosaurs basically I [TS]

  thought oh my God this can't be [TS]

  but I was I was I was confused because I thought wait it's been a long time since I watched that the specialized [TS]

  addition where there are some shots that they just couldn't get any They couldn't get clear versions of [TS]

  and so were there a couple the shots with specialized stuff and if I had to destroy their arms in the air [TS]

  and say we can't save that one or something yeah. [TS]

  So and as the movie is going on I'm kind of getting more and more confused [TS]

  and I'm seeing stuff from the specialized addition [TS]

  but there's also a couple of shots where I'm thinking no I know that one Lucas put extra crap in [TS]

  but the extra crap isn't there. [TS]

  So do I just badly remember the do you specialize edition I basically was having a kind of anxiety attack in the back [TS]

  of the movie theater trying to think about what what possibly happened. [TS]

  Am I just misremembering I thought the specialisation was the greatest thing that humanity has ever produced. [TS]

  You were giving out medals a minute ago. I know and then I was like do I just do I does not remember it. [TS]

  In particular there's a thing like there's one shot where R two D two is hiding in a cave and I know for a fact C.G.I. [TS]

  Rocks were put all in front of him in a way that makes no sense. But that wasn't in this version. [TS]

  So I was like losing my mind and I thought oh my god I can't I don't know what's happening [TS]

  but as it was going on it became more and more clear especially when a dinosaur walks in front of the screen [TS]

  and literally blocks out the entire frame for a couple of seconds I was like OK No this is definitely the special [TS]

  edition. Yeah. A special edition. [TS]

  It's a special edition and if I don't know how this happened and I thought I gave I gave Brady the file [TS]

  and I know great like Brady passes on I thought oh my God I have made a terrible mistake like well you know what did I [TS]

  do. [TS]

  And I'm trying to pull out my phone and look on Dropbox to see like which version of the file that I give [TS]

  but you live on like the outer rim planet so you have no cell phone connection anywhere in that whole town as far as I [TS]

  can tell which is a slightly other complaint of mine. [TS]

  But so I couldn't get Dropbox and I was freaking out I was I just couldn't believe it [TS]

  and then we get to the scene where Han Solo is talking to just C.G.I. [TS]

  Job at the Hyatt and steps on his tail and there's like a squeaky sound when he steps on a step and I swear [TS]

  when that came on screen I had to leave I had to step out. [TS]

  I couldn't deal with it I pretended like I had to go to the bathroom. [TS]

  I really didn't I just had to walk out of the room for a minute like catch my breath [TS]

  and not also watch that absolutely horrible horrible scene doubting myself and I thought I somehow messed this up. [TS]

  And all I was thinking of is is one of our earlier conversations where I talk about how I don't have any regrets. [TS]

  This is going to be one of the things I will regret until the end of time. [TS]

  I made people watch the specialized addition not only that I made David Prowse Darth Vader himself watch the [TS]

  specialized addition and if it couldn't be any worse to add one additional dagger into my heart. [TS]

  There were three people with us that day who had never seen Star Wars absolute Star Wars virgins [TS]

  and what do they see for the first time the specialized addition [TS]

  and I did not know how this happened so I say my heart sank as well [TS]

  and I did have a like a bit of a moment not least of all because I've told people before the screening that we were [TS]

  going to watch the specialist one as well. [TS]

  I'd kind of brag that way we've got to control this and then we show them that some of those nonsense things [TS]

  but I have to say. [TS]

  After I got over the initial shock I didn't I didn't take quite as badly as you said he was a cock up of some scale [TS]

  but the thing that is amazing is the movie from my opinion that it still shines through the Special Edition. [TS]

  Right it is still definitely enjoyable. [TS]

  There's one thing that I wonder if I've occasionally heard that that younger people cannot tell the difference between [TS]

  the original Star Wars movies [TS]

  and the prequel Star Wars movies which is always horrifying to me whenever I hear this that there's this kind of no [TS]

  distinction drawn and I was one. [TS]

  Well as we're watching the specialized addition I thought ha I can kind of understand maybe why that would happen. [TS]

  Because everything that has been added in the specialized version is like the same kind of just childish [TS]

  or distracting stuff that is all over the screen that just doesn't need to be there that doesn't add anything to the [TS]

  plot. He sprayed some of that crap all over the good stuff to match the bad stuff. [TS]

  Yeah and I was kind of I was watching [TS]

  and thinking yeah I could see how the tone of these movies is much less different if you're watching the specialized [TS]

  addition at least in the very beginning of Star Wars. [TS]

  So when Gray says specialist edition as he keeps saying he means a special edition. [TS]

  Yes but as opposed to the specialist but yeah yeah. My bad my bad. [TS]

  We know him [TS]

  and I would really curious for feedback of people who've seen that is the first time they do do they notice all of this [TS]

  stuff. Does this detract like I would want to do A B. [TS]

  Testing on on groups of the population who haven't seen Star Wars [TS]

  and see what you know what do they think of the special the special version versus the D specialize edition why does it [TS]

  make as much of a difference as I feel that it makes or what I actually I almost don't want to admit [TS]

  but it's possibly quite likely. Am I just extremely sensitive to the changes because I love you. [TS]

  Original version so much. [TS]

  Well I would just be really curious to know I'm going to say to my credit first mind I knew it was the wrong edition [TS]

  well before you did. Like I was very akin to some very subtle differences early on. [TS]

  Like you I was thinking did the special that did the deed specializes you know have to make some compromises [TS]

  but I knew something was wrong very quickly. So I'm going to say that to my credit to big myself up as a stylus fan. [TS]

  Well yeah you notice you notice the scene difference that I would never have noticed. [TS]

  Yeah I noticed that the sky was different in a sane and things like that say so. [TS]

  So I'm thinking oh I'm Mr Starr I was here I for that but just to bring things back down to earth for everyone [TS]

  and I'm sure people have guessed this by now already. It was May he cocked up spectacularly. [TS]

  I supplied the wrong file because after the film I went up and checked it they put a D.V.D. [TS]

  In a something and not use my file and the D.V.D. [TS]

  I bought as a backup was still there in its plastic wrap [TS]

  and I've seen them start a computer file so it could only be the file I supplied [TS]

  and then it occurred to me what I've done wrong what we were talking about in the car afterward [TS]

  and you realized that you had done a Spotlight search for Star Wars and dragged over a file [TS]

  and apparently you you have a copy of the special edition which is which is amazing to me. All this is. I don't mind. [TS]

  He watched it enough that spotlight thinks it is the version you want oh no that's not saying that's not the case. [TS]

  Anyway I did have it I did have both a D. [TS]

  Specialized and that special edition I don't want to incriminate myself [TS]

  but I imagine I had the specialized addition once when I very quickly made a Star Wars sane for research purposes [TS]

  and ran probably do. [TS]

  Yeah that's the only reason I have to do specialized addition is as well I need it for research for fair use research [TS]

  purposes anyway I'm working on something like Red Letter media. [TS]

  It'll never be out but I'm working more now anyway so I took the wrong. [TS]

  Just copied across and didn't check [TS]

  but funnily enough as idle as I look back over the mistakes I've made there was an opportunity to pick this mistake up [TS]

  like an episode of air crash investigation where you look back over the things that went wrong [TS]

  and even one of those moments where some engineer could have done something differently [TS]

  or something while it could've difference which I did have that moment where I could have saved the day because I did [TS]

  check a few days before just to make sure the file worked. [TS]

  What does this video even play it in the end credits there is the stop there and obvious aims in the middle. [TS]

  So I randomly looked at the scene in the middle of the film [TS]

  and by coincidence it was the scene where Han Solo has his little interaction with Greta in the canteen of all the nice [TS]

  outline so I watched and thought I can let's watch to see if the shooting say the shooting happened [TS]

  and the shooting happened and I had that you know extra blast that was added were great I shot first [TS]

  and I was like oh yeah so in the day specialist EDITION. That's that's what was that's interesting I never knew that. [TS]

  And thought no more of it. [TS]

  So after telling everyone beforehand that I got a good addition and telling gray and that I stuffed up. [TS]

  And actually I have I have not yet apologized to everyone who came for that mistake. [TS]

  So this is my public apology it's my mia culpa. It was entirely my fault. It was not my intention. [TS]

  I'm embarrassed by it. [TS]

  I'm not surprised by it because I'm rubbish and stuff things up [TS]

  but they say sorry Gray sorry sorry everyone I want to be clear I'm not going to let you take one hundred percent of [TS]

  the blame because I was I was thinking later on. [TS]

  Initially when I found out it was it was you I thought I had this huge like all thank God sigh of relief. [TS]

  But later on I decided no no no I should have handled it the same way that I did and a lot of moments [TS]

  when you're teaching where everybody triple check stuff and so I thought I should have checked the file as well. [TS]

  I should have had a back up. So this is also partly my fault I will not let you take one hundred percent of the blade. [TS]

  That's kind of you I mean I don't agree [TS]

  but you can have you can you can have five percent you can have five percent of the blind makes you feel better so I [TS]

  will take forty percent of the time. Afterwards the man himself comes up the movie has ended. [TS]

  We have we have applauded him. [TS]

  I have to say that was one of my favorite moments from the day is the very first scene [TS]

  when Darth Vader steps stepped onto the starship everybody spontaneously just let out a big clap except I think you [TS]

  booed someone because I thought it's like the villain you're going to be the villain. [TS]

  Like I thought that was the thing to do whatever it was cheering like he was a hero. [TS]

  Life just goes in the room doesn't mean that it is not that bad a buddy but Darth Vader is awesome I have that [TS]

  but that was my absolute favorite moment of the whole day is Darth Vader coming on screen is like the man himself is [TS]

  sitting here and everybody except Brady cheered and yes you're right you know booing is totally fine here [TS]

  but then after the movie he went up to the front and he was taking questions [TS]

  and it was great to see a charming man he is he is a very charming man very charming. [TS]

  So he actually said I do not believe this. [TS]

  I do not believe this is true [TS]

  but he said it sounded like was only the second time he'd watched the whole film from start to finish. [TS]

  Now I was I was squinting my eyes at their answer [TS]

  and I'm not sure I one hundred percent believe this I mean you know I can imagine maybe he's just watched infractions [TS]

  like a million times and it doesn't ever watch it from start to finish but that is quite possible actually. [TS]

  But anyway that's what he said and you know we'll take it as our exclusive exclusive law and our public policy will be. [TS]

  We watched Star Wars with David Prowse for the second time he had ever seen the film. [TS]

  Yeah and he tells the North Atlantic some bits and pieces [TS]

  and I guess we'll leave those for the people in the room to enjoy [TS]

  and savor because they were the lucky ones to be there and then he posed for a bunch of selfies and. [TS]

  I signed autographs for people. [TS]

  I saw your wife went up and got a selfie with the man I noticed it was it was it was great you [TS]

  and I got a photo with Darth Vader's moment. [TS]

  Definitely I was going to miss that opportunity now and then and then once once David had done his duty for for this [TS]

  and for us he was able to depart and your OK speeding off in his tie fighter however you want to imagine. [TS]

  My favorite part of the day was earlier on when there was a bit like a traffic jam and we were outside [TS]

  and like I was trying to get out the way [TS]

  and David was following me on like he had this motorized scooter because he's got a leg injury [TS]

  and he was following me [TS]

  and it was like I was being followed by death later in a tie fighter stay on target stay on target. [TS]

  So anyway he and his wife departed. [TS]

  We're very grateful to them and then we had a chance to hang out with people and also do some selfies [TS]

  and we did say we're going to do some signatures and I thought we might have to sign a few posters [TS]

  and things like that. What I did not expect was the incredible amount of technology we were asked to sign. [TS]

  By my count I signed two candles one with a keyboard and one the beloved paper white three i Pads and five [TS]

  or six phones. Yeah it was. It was very expensive signing I was very nervous for this. [TS]

  When someone hands you their phone I remember this in Alabama as they oh you know ha ha ha you know one [TS]

  or two people had a sign sign phones but then to have a line of people who are holding their i Pads or phones. [TS]

  This is this is a lot of pressure not to mess this up to do a good signature because already I don't know I must mess [TS]

  up one in three signatures. [TS]

  Yeah yeah if I have a I have a video of me doing a time lapse of signing stuff assigning posters [TS]

  and you can see on there you know whatever it is. [TS]

  One out of ten or so you can see that I have to like been the poster because I apparently can't sign my own name. [TS]

  If you don't have that option. [TS]

  When is that while there you know we have seven i Devices that you need to sign in a row you need to get it right it [TS]

  has to be done right it's usually preferable I'm happy to do it. Point is that a lot of stress. [TS]

  Yeah it's a lot of stress so I felt relief every time someone came up with a post it was a bit like thank God I'm not [TS]

  going to accidently ruin possibly one of the most important technological devices in your life with my terrible [TS]

  signature I felt like a bit of a pretender sun in the candle I think it was clearly a cake because your the your the [TS]

  famous Kindle complained and they got you to sign and then they're like Brady we use on my Kindle to OK [TS]

  but clearly you just feel bad because I'm here I'm going to get me to do it [TS]

  but anyway I did it he got it you gotta catch em all you gotta catch em all you need both signatures. [TS]

  Yeah it increases or increases the resale value. [TS]

  People came from very far and we appreciate all that but it's only someone came from Italy. [TS]

  Bunch of people from Scotland. [TS]

  There was someone from Boston as well it was I was I was doing my best all day long to try to try [TS]

  and be able to talk to everybody at least for a little bit [TS]

  and that the group was as always big enough to be slightly intimidating [TS]

  but small enough that I felt like oh yeah I did get a chance to say hello to everybody [TS]

  and that was is genuinely nice I mean as I kept saying to everybody on the day it is also just a kind of very strange [TS]

  experience from my perspective but it was it was it was really good to be able to meet people and say hi [TS]

  and I really I really like the whole format of the day of oh we have stuff to do like like we're just a group of people [TS]

  and we're going to the zoo and we're going to look at penguins and now we're going to watch a movie. [TS]

  It had a very very different feeling to something like Alabama which which was an event. [TS]

  So I quite enjoy today [TS]

  and I felt for me anyway it made it much more natural to just kind of talk to people as as we're walking around [TS]

  and doing stuff in the day so I had a I had a pretty good time but I was very exhausted by the time it was over. Yes. [TS]

  Next one time to thank you everyone one more time thank you people thank you say [TS]

  and without forcing your pictures with C.G. B. Groh the penguin. Thanks everyone. [TS]

  Now most importantly after this you came back. [TS]

  I don't live in Bristol in Cyprus till he came back to to my place because he was you decide to spend the night in this [TS]

  part of the world so yes you stayed at a house and you got to meet Audrey. Yes I stated chateau hire and he did. [TS]

  And Guy did get to meet Audrey and Lulu. Yeah I mean I met Lulu before yes. [TS]

  Never touched Lulu because I don't want to make her too nervous [TS]

  or too upset to talk just now no I was going to you my dear. I like some savage days everyone touches and pats. [TS]

  She's not no no no it is it is the exact opposite is the exact opposite. [TS]

  She's very calm and she is very sweet [TS]

  but I feel that with dogs I don't want to bother them right if she wants to come up that's perfectly fine [TS]

  but I was very happy to have them around but I was not going to go bother her especially [TS]

  when she's lying on her doggie bed of a dog is lying on their little doggie bed that should be a safe space for them. [TS]

  They shouldn't have people coming up and poking them and petting them. [TS]

  They should always feel safe in a little doggie beds more than made up for it with the amount of touching of a tree [TS]

  that I could Audrey however is a very very friendly super happy little dog that I was very happy to pick up [TS]

  and to give belly rubs and to play with and to throw little toys for [TS]

  and it was very exciting to me the trick so that was that was also a high point of the trip. [TS]

  I kind of felt that you hoped Audrey a bit from your wife because you know what like to a tree [TS]

  and you were you always the one holding him petting her I thought I was I was not doing the you know that's not it's [TS]

  not true that's not true at all now and you know if anything I got far too little argy time [TS]

  and my wife was constantly holding on to is the way it seemed from from my perspective that's how it is with village if [TS]

  you haven't. Every every second you want to holding her seems like an eternity. [TS]

  And yes I did get to see the room has an atlas in it before you start doing the thing that you always do. [TS]

  I want to get it on record that I think your house is extraordinarily well decorated. [TS]

  I don't go in there and I'm not like you repulsed which is what you always seem to think [TS]

  but is in one hundred percent not the case at all [TS]

  and everyone great was very nice he wasn't making jokes about the house he was very complementary [TS]

  and he was a lovely house guest [TS]

  and we had a very nice time he said sort of how the Internet has been brought to you by fracture [TS]

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  Basically they're an online service which lets you print a photo or image directly onto the glass. [TS]

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  point eight to six point four inches right up to a big one which is twenty eight point eight by twenty one point six. [TS]

  Never saw a joint photos you can also order works. [TS]

  I think it's a really good idea for a gift because it's a really personal thing when you give a friend [TS]

  or loved one a picture that shares some kind of memory between the two of you. [TS]

  But this has the added bonus of being like a really cool technology. [TS]

  So when you give it to them it sort of a talking point a lot or look at that how does that work [TS]

  or what's printed on the glass that looks really cool. [TS]

  Also since learning about fracture I've been thinking about another cool thing you could say because basically I've [TS]

  heard there are lots of business people who order these things and they get like their logos [TS]

  or icons fractured on to glass using this technique. [TS]

  So I was thinking imagine getting like a fracture or a picture [TS]

  or some kind of graphic for every element on the periodic table and then hanging them on your wall as a Jew. [TS]

  All right periodic table like a messy installation. [TS]

  If you're any good at hanging things in straight lines [TS]

  and lining things up which admittedly are not I think that would be brilliant [TS]

  and you can steal that idea you go ahead [TS]

  and do it now there's a very special offer for your listeners if you order one of these go to fracture may dot com So [TS]

  it's all one word fracture Me dot com And then when you check out enter the code hello internet. Hello Internet. [TS]

  That means you get fifteen percent of your first order [TS]

  and they'll know you came here from the show this is a really cool product if you actually want to see an action I've [TS]

  got a nice little video on their website so I go and check them out. And thank you to fracture for sponsoring our show. [TS]

  Maybe we should get a fracture of C G P grade the penguin. [TS]

  Ari can these factors are the sole things Gray would hang in his house to cause the kind of minimalistic and coal. [TS]

  I have a little paper cut. Oh you have a paper cutter Grady's paper cuts. Oh yeah. He kind of he kind of sang that. [TS]

  So my paper cut is something I occasionally I'm guilty of that but there are times [TS]

  when it's more acceptable than others. [TS]

  My paper is when people send you a link to something in email but more often on something like Twitter [TS]

  or social media and they don't tell you what the link is to so someone might tweet Brady you should look at this [TS]

  and there's a link to it and you cannot tell from the link what it is or have you seen this or you will love this [TS]

  or I bet you hate this or check it out and you have no idea what you're clicking on and what you going to go to [TS]

  and it could be something really worthwhile that you're glad you saw or it could be a complete and utter waste of time. [TS]

  Whatever it is I know less and less now because I have pretty much imposed a blanket ban on clicking on links [TS]

  when I'm given no idea what the link is going to pay the debts are hard fastballs you know it's like all of my policies [TS]

  it's more on it's going to be a breach than the observance but porous. [TS]

  But that I am I am trying this does not apply to people to trusted sources. [TS]

  So Gray sends me a link and says watch this video [TS]

  and she says You Tube dot com slash X Y Z four three seven eight nine and I have no idea [TS]

  when the video is going to say I will watch it because Gray is a trusted source but if someone I've never met before. [TS]

  Emails or tweets [TS]

  and says Brady you have to say this I'm not going to click on that because it could be something awesome [TS]

  or it could be a complete waste of my time or it could be a joke or a prank or I'm just going to go away [TS]

  and if I say check this out really it's you know and they tell me what it is I can then make an informed decision. [TS]

  So do you have a position on this I mean this. [TS]

  Surely this comes under some sort of Internet etiquette that you will have a policy on and have read about [TS]

  and know all about because you know everything about the Internet. [TS]

  I believe that what people are doing when they do this is they are trying to be intriguing [TS]

  and they are hoping that they're intriguing this gets you to click on the link. [TS]

  I think that's what's going on in people's heads they are filing right. [TS]

  But if anybody has spent a long time on the Internet particularly I feel like the old Slashdot days you learn pretty [TS]

  fast. You don't just click on a link right just just for fun. [TS]

  You don't want to play link roulette with your eyes [TS]

  and with your brain because you never know what you're going to see. [TS]

  Yeah there are things that once you see them they can never be unseen. [TS]

  And so yes you don't play link roulette when someone just sends you a random link is not going to happen. [TS]

  I know tweets have limited characters but give me some context [TS]

  or at least make it case I probably still won't click on it because you may then be lying. [TS]

  But that that will help the only thing in my life which is somewhat like this where I do click on the links is again [TS]

  when you say someone you know sends you something and one person in particular who's kind of bad at this [TS]

  but lots of people do this where I will just get the people I know. [TS]

  Who know me well enough to be sending me I messages will just send me a U.R.L. [TS]

  and So it'll it'll just be like a You Tube U.R.L. [TS]

  I cannot stop my brain from Always assuming when you [TS]

  when presented with no context that whatever I'm about to click on is going to be horrible [TS]

  or that it's going to be some kind of problem that I have to deal with for the rest of the day. [TS]

  Someone stole a new video or something. Yeah yeah exactly like that. [TS]

  Or you know look you you know whatever there's a whole there's a whole universe of things that are sometimes problems [TS]

  that you have to deal with. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  when ever I receive a contextless link from someone I know very well every single time I have a moment of God What is [TS]

  this going to be. [TS]

  Yeah and I click on it and it's just I don't know maybe someone needs a title for their video [TS]

  or it's you know just something that they want to show me there's no reason that if anything bad you know I owe my [TS]

  brain just assumes that it's going to be bad news and that it's a problem and it makes me sad. [TS]

  So I do not appreciate the contextless links either and I try to do them as little as possible [TS]

  but every once in a while you do you just send someone a link [TS]

  and then you know for fear of you digging through a message [TS]

  and then incriminating me terribly I do feel like I try to do that with you if I send you a link. [TS]

  I try to put some kind of context on as in you know I want you to watch as I made it [TS]

  or something like So you say you're not playing that role. [TS]

  Yeah I feel like you're pretty good with that [TS]

  and I think you're pretty good with that as well because of your policy of not clicking on the links you're much more [TS]

  you much more aware and so I think OK. Anyway that's my pipe I don't want to have to wear them. [TS]

  There's something else that just came into my head the other day [TS]

  and it's one of the things I wanted to ask you about because you seem to know everything [TS]

  and have an answer to everything so I thought you'd know the answer to this. [TS]

  Now I'm worried I know just like for a few days in a row that they were I know you don't read news sites so this [TS]

  doesn't actually apply to you but you're aware that new sites exist [TS]

  and you know I am aware of the news as of yesterday and for a few. [TS]

  Days in a row source stories about semi famous people dying [TS]

  and these were people who are going to be honest I probably hadn't heard of like you know this old lady has died [TS]

  and she was famous for some hit songs she sang in the one nine hundred fifty S. [TS]

  or This guy directed some film in the one nine hundred seventy S. That was really popular and I to I don't know. [TS]

  So we got in. [TS]

  So you quite often see stories about people famous people dying and sometimes you've heard of them [TS]

  and sometimes you haven't but there's always there's always one of them every couple of days or so [TS]

  and so old person has died at the age of eighty three. She was a famous ballet dancer from the one nine hundred sixty S. [TS]

  and Caused a sensation with some controversy or something [TS]

  and you're thinking you know gosh now as the media becomes more and more saturated and I get older and older. [TS]

  Is there going to be a time in twenty years or say when this just going to be so many famous people [TS]

  or so many people that did things that I may know about that the news industry is just going to be like forty people [TS]

  dying a day because if I was shown a list of all the people who are older than me who I may have heard of. [TS]

  That list is going to be massive now like it's going to be full of cricketers and sportsman and movie stars [TS]

  and politicians and all these people have to die eventually. [TS]

  And is that going to be a collapse at some point as we all get older [TS]

  and older every day there's going to be no now that cricketer who I liked when I was a teenager has died today that T.V. [TS]

  Star who I used to watch in that soap opera in the 1980's died like are we going to get a son like is this death thing [TS]

  going to get crazy eventually. [TS]

  Are you worried that newspapers will be filled with the deaths of notable people [TS]

  and they won't have space for other things. [TS]

  No no no no but what I'm saying at the moment is when the when someone dies it is it's like it's unusual. [TS]

  So once I died today who would have thought. [TS]

  But that's because the people who are dying at the moment from an era [TS]

  when there weren't as many famous people say the right OK OK rather than the number of people is increase yes [TS]

  or they're out at the moment there are too many people dying it's kind of manageable does anyone maybe want to die. [TS]

  Julio who is worthy of a news article but it feels to me that in thirty [TS]

  or forty years maybe the number of people dying who by the same criteria are worthy of coverage is going to just have [TS]

  increased exponentially [TS]

  and my head's going to explode for the number of people dying that I that I have an interest in. [TS]

  Isn't this an argument for the role of editors that the editors just have to be more rigorous in their selection of who [TS]

  is who is worth reporting on. [TS]

  No because because say if there is someday in the distant future where three of my boyhood cricket heroes die [TS]

  and one T.V. [TS]

  and One movie star [TS]

  and one politician from my hometown all die on the same day I would be curious to know that all of those things. [TS]

  What I'm saying is is there it is the number of people going to get so high that it's just going to be hard to [TS]

  comprehend or is there some fact I'm missing about distribution of days or distribution [TS]

  but for example I know I've reached a point in my life now where. [TS]

  The number of famous people who are younger than me has become quite significant. [TS]

  So for example I will probably die before Taylor Swift. [TS]

  So it's unlikely I will read a new story about this pop star of the you know twenty tens who had a whole bunch of hit [TS]

  singles has died at the age of eighty three or something. [TS]

  I'm not going to read that story Emma because I probably already dead [TS]

  but there are a lot of people older than me who have a new stories I probably will read [TS]

  and I'm wondering how many of them there are [TS]

  and how dense that's going to become you know what's happening here brainy. I think you're beginning to deal with. [TS]

  Any older. [TS]

  That's what's happening here because as you grow older the number of people that you are just aware of in the world in [TS]

  any way in any way they're notability increases as a function of time. [TS]

  The number of people that you could have possibly heard about and have any interest goes up. Yeah. [TS]

  But as as you're getting older you are now more aware of those who you are aware of who have died. Yeah right. [TS]

  And when you're [TS]

  when you're thinking backwards about oh it seemed to be less I think it's much less that oh they're more famous people [TS]

  now and it is vastly more you knew fewer people. Yeah. [TS]

  Right and so that's true although I'm going to mention I can imagine now like some very very old person [TS]

  when that old ballet dancer from the nine hundred fifty S. Dies who I've never heard of. [TS]

  They probably have heard of them [TS]

  and they're thinking oh my god not another one although there were flaws in the get it immediately. I understand that. [TS]

  So it's a bit like I kind of I'm trying to think [TS]

  but there is also the there is also the fact there are more famous people now more media now so there are more that it [TS]

  feels like I feel like I will have more targets when I'm older than my good my grandmother did. [TS]

  Like you know I agree [TS]

  but I would bet that we're talking about like an order of magnitude difference in the effect that the increase in the [TS]

  number of famous people has increased the supply of potential deaths that you are aware of by ten percent. [TS]

  But your aging has increased your knowledge by three hundred percent. [TS]

  They are both contributing to this factor but one of your inevitable death [TS]

  and your inevitable aging is increasing to this vastly more than the fact that there are more famous people on on You [TS]

  Tube now than there were before. That's what that something is happening. [TS]

  I like how you described as my inevitable death like this not even a slim chance I'm going to avoid it. I think. [TS]

  Throw me a bone throw me a bone here. [TS]

  I was I was trying to talk in your terms you know I don't actually put the chance of my own death at one hundred [TS]

  percent [TS]

  but I figure you're the kind of guy who would just assume it was what do you not put your trust one hundred percent. [TS]

  Now I don't know I don't think that's what percent I mean extremely likely you know it's ninety nine with a bunch of [TS]

  nine but it's not one hundred percent no. [TS]

  This sounds like a topic for another day with the famous people thing I think I remember [TS]

  when I was younger being confused about why people cared about famous people dying [TS]

  but this was largely a function of the fact that I was a teenager I was in my early twenties. [TS]

  And so I just didn't I didn't have much of a connection with very many notable people because I hadn't been alive long [TS]

  enough to follow their careers or have any kind of level of interest and now [TS]

  but now that I am much older I'm aware that I can much more sympathize with why people get upset [TS]

  when notable people who they don't know personally die so now I can I can understand in a much more intuitive level [TS]

  when a famous actor dies it is upsetting. [TS]

  If you have seen a lot of their movies [TS]

  and you you know you feel like you have much more of a connection to that you know I would say I get upset very often [TS]

  when notable people who I don't die. But I do get affected. [TS]

  So I don't want to I want to make it seem like I'm sitting here reading through a news website in tears because some [TS]

  actor has to do something [TS]

  but that was not a thing that I was trying to imply I was I was just trying to say that I have come to this conclusion [TS]

  as well. [TS]

  Oh now as I'm sitting here there are many more people whose whose death I would be aware of than [TS]

  when I was seventeen and just an idiot. [TS]

  Are you saying you've now come to the realisation of this and you understand why city people like Brady are affected [TS]

  or are you saying you do. If it could as well now. Yeah I would I would say that I get more affected. [TS]

  I mean you know I was sort of ornamental people just you know the star like a little flame war. [TS]

  I was really really sad when I found out that Steve Jobs died [TS]

  and that was the first celebrity death that I can say genuinely affected me [TS]

  and that was partly because it felt like oh this is a person who has affected my life quite directly because I use [TS]

  products that the person has produced a lot [TS]

  and also is something that my you know my in my family Apple is a big topic of conversation [TS]

  and so in many ways it feels like I've been talking about this person with people who are close to me for very many [TS]

  years and now that is over that that that little part of our interaction is done now [TS]

  and so that like that that was probably the first one that I felt I felt like oh I feel sad in a way that is not [TS]

  rational because I don't know this person [TS]

  but it is a side effect of having been aware of a person in a particular way and [TS]

  when I was much younger you know I would hear about notable celebrities dying of like why is everybody so sad about [TS]

  this but it's because I hadn't been old enough to have any kind of connection with another person. [TS]

  Now there's a weird thing I think about sometimes which is that there are a large number of internet personalities [TS]

  and people that I have known for a long time. [TS]

  People I've been aware of on the Internet sometimes going back to college [TS]

  and before people whose careers I have followed and they're not people that I know. [TS]

  And sometimes I think there are people I've been following for fifteen years maybe or ten years [TS]

  and there are enough of them and none of them have yet died. [TS]

  And sooner or later some some person in this little group of people is going to die as well [TS]

  and that's going to be strange. [TS]

  I feel like I'm waiting for the first internet person death in a strange way where it's like oh the death of this [TS]

  person would not make the news. And there are. [TS]

  But I don't know but I would certainly find out about their death and that would be strange [TS]

  and affecting even though I've never spoken to this person [TS]

  and I know nothing I don't know them personally in any way whatsoever. I don't know I just got more of a drive. [TS]

  I've had a few people in my video start you know with my video still and sometimes go through what I'm out here [TS]

  and some reasons like a company of that person not here anymore this is it's a numbers game. [TS]

  You know [TS]

  when you start interacting with large I mean how many people must you have interviewed for a very yeah yeah I guess I [TS]

  mean you know hundreds and hundreds and [TS]

  when you start talking about hundreds of people it's not even oh we're just waiting for everybody to die of natural [TS]

  causes car crashes and all kinds of accidents and tigers [TS]

  and things because they're sort of you know some of them are a bit older because they're sort of you know learned [TS]

  professors and things like that of course. Yeah. Anyway there you go. [TS]

  Famous people I wouldn't be [TS]

  and how the Internet if we didn't talk about death in some way with it we didn't suddenly veer into a set. Yeah. [TS]

  What are you up to today. Internet. [TS]

  Listening to the show perhaps on a computer just like a casual question [TS]

  but do you have anything important at all on that computer. Your work files your documents your Ph D. [TS]

  Thesis your photos of your baby your photos of your dog. Have you back those things up recently or ever. [TS]

  I'm guessing you might not have that situation. It makes me nervous. [TS]

  Do your friend Gray a favor and go to the back please dot com slash hello internet [TS]

  and sign up to protect all of the digital files in your life. [TS]

  If you're like me that might represent a pretty significant chunk of your entire life. [TS]

  Computers They are wonderful but fragile things at any moment. A hard drive can go bad and everything on that. [TS]

  Our drive is lost forever. [TS]

  I actually had this happen to me a long time ago before back Blaise existed [TS]

  when I was in college I had a hard drive go bad my senior year [TS]

  and I lost everything I ever made in college it was pretty disastrous. All that stuff just gone. [TS]

  There was no data recovery place no nothing. But if you go sign up at back please. [TS]

  My fate will not be for you automatically without even having to think about it back please will just make a copy of [TS]

  all of your data and keep it safe in the cloud and then if something goes bad you can get it back. [TS]

  All is not lost backplate has over one hundred [TS]

  and fifty petabytes of data on their services a number so large it's impossible to even begin to understand. [TS]

  And they have restored over a billion files for their customers a billion files that might have been lost [TS]

  but then were saved. If you use back plays you can access your data from anywhere. [TS]

  You can use your i Phone app you can use your Android app [TS]

  and you can see what your files are from anywhere in the world. The company was founded by X.. [TS]

  Apple engineers but they are platform agnostic. It will work on your mac and it will work on your P.C. [TS]

  Now what does it cost you to preserve all of your digital life. [TS]

  It's just five dollars per month per computer for on limited backup. Do you have a lot of data. I have a lot of data. [TS]

  I couldn't possibly pay by the byte five bucks unlimited sold I have backplanes running on my computer right now. [TS]

  You should to pause the podcast go to back Blaze dot com slash hello internet. It will make me feel so much better. [TS]

  It will allow you to sleep at night. Please do this back Blaze dot com. Slash hello internet. [TS]

  Let's move to a topic that is much calmer. [TS]

  We're not inside any emotion people will be totally cool with and that is the U.K. General election. [TS]

  Yes let's talk politics with a nice way to calm down and let's discuss politics. [TS]

  Can I do my like big butt covering Kavli thing at the start before I start poking you with a stick. [TS]

  Disclaim away I am not massively passionate about politics. [TS]

  I said Don't think like I am putting any sort of positions on the table or any point if that comes about. [TS]

  And also I'm not as knowledgeable as gray about voting I don't think anyone who is not an expert professional expert on [TS]

  voting is as knowledgeable of this gray that voting. [TS]

  But I'm happy to talk to him about it because we've just had an election and let's do it. [TS]

  I was going to an executive summary. And I know this will upset people for going wrong but whatever the U.K. [TS]

  General election just happened basically the whole the whole parliament which is all the all the members of the [TS]

  parliament that represent the different electorate so constituencies around the country all get thrown out. [TS]

  Every constituency around the country votes to reelect [TS]

  or elect a new representative that will come together to form the parliament. [TS]

  The feeling was that it was all going to be a big tangled mess [TS]

  and we were going to have so many different people from various parties that no one would have much of a majority [TS]

  and we would end up with a big hung parliament [TS]

  and it would be really hard for one to have enough people to form a government. [TS]

  As it turned out that the ruling the party that was already in power the Conservative Party which was ruling by a [TS]

  coalition had a very successful election surprised everybody got the majority of seats in the house just [TS]

  and enough to form a government. So we now the Conservative Party the sort of the right wing party in the U.K. [TS]

  Won the election. [TS]

  Just has a majority from an American perspective there are many parts of that description which will make no sneer [TS]

  and I T L D R There is a conservative government in the U.K. Yet right that that's the result of. [TS]

  Yeah now can I ask you let's ask one big burning question right from the start do you vote like are you are you allowed [TS]

  to vote first. OK So this is going to like a whole big story. [TS]

  OK I will sit back and say something really bad when you finish. Yeah that's right. [TS]

  Just go go go play with the dogs to talk us through it but don't talk us through in too much detail [TS]

  but I will I will I will try to do this as briefly as I possibly can the short answer is that I can vote in U.K. [TS]

  National elections yes there's a whole complication about the European Union existing. [TS]

  and people moving all over the place. But the bottom line is that if say someone from Italy moved to the U.K. [TS]

  Even though they are allowed to live here they are not allowed to vote in national elections but the U.K. [TS]

  Has a unique agreement with Ireland which I am a citizen that Irish citizens are allowed to vote in national election. [TS]

  OK So under most normal circumstances a person in my situation would not be allowed to vote [TS]

  but because of some particulars I am allowed to vote. [TS]

  OK and just answer the same question in cases in people's heads because obviously I have this astride an accent [TS]

  and I also live in the U.K. I am allowed to vote and that is because I am a U.K. [TS]

  Citizen I have a bridge I have a British passport due to sort of a birthright involving my father so I am I am a fully [TS]

  fledged U.K. Citizen unlike Grey who is here on an Irish passport right. Yeah I'm a dirty immigrant basically. [TS]

  Yeah actually are regular Australians allowed to vote in the national election I don't think they are. [TS]

  Do you know why I thought the answer to that was no but I saw a friend write something on. [TS]

  I spoke the other day where where he talked about the fact he just realized the whole time he was here he could have [TS]

  voted and he didn't say the answer is I don't know the answer but I wouldn't rule that out. [TS]

  We are both eligible to the background is the upshot to that so the next question is did you vote. [TS]

  OK the way it works here is that you fill out a little a registration card that comes around in every October [TS]

  or so to basically let the government know. [TS]

  Hi I'm a person who resides at this address [TS]

  and yes I am legally allowed to say that I put you on the roll basically right and then [TS]

  when you fill that out the you get added to this big list of people who are allowed to vote. [TS]

  And unlike many places in America you cannot turn up on the day and just say OK I want to vote. [TS]

  Can you register me now is like not enough has to be done in advance so you need to be on this list. [TS]

  And so this this comes around and I always make sure to fill out this little form so that I'm on the list. [TS]

  You know you're eligible to vote in various elections. Now I have to confess something to you Brady because. [TS]

  I was entirely unaware that there was an election going on until the last time we were recording this podcast and [TS]

  when it was over. [TS]

  You made some casual remark to me about the upcoming election and I just went along with that I went Oh yes [TS]

  and the conversation sort of moved along and I was writing down on a piece of paper U.K. Election date. [TS]

  Question mark right as a thing to look into the conversation so I only I only learned of the election whatever it was [TS]

  two weeks ago when we recorded. [TS]

  That's crazy to me like that's just pain everywhere it's like everyone else in the country is like for God's sake let [TS]

  it end I'm so sick of it and you're writing down notes going and elections going on.. [TS]

  QUESTION The reason I was looking into it is because it's an R.V. [TS]

  As topic for video and when we hung up the phone after that I immediately was over them a lookup on the datas [TS]

  and I thought it was relatively soon and I ended up doing some initial research to try to make a video for it [TS]

  but then quickly realized I was not going to be able to do it in time [TS]

  and so yes it did come to kind of bite me in the butt because had I known about it ahead of time I would have been able [TS]

  to make the video in advance but I did not have a video this year for that reason I can. [TS]

  Oh we have to back up for a second because this is going to sound incredibly confusing to Americans this is not like in [TS]

  America where everybody knows until the end of time when all of the elections are going to take place. The U.K. [TS]

  Elections don't take place every X. Number of years for various complications that we won't get into. [TS]

  You can have an election that happens early. [TS]

  They just have to happen once every I think it's five [TS]

  or six years now I forget because it changed recently there has been some changes on that in recent years I think you [TS]

  should rate read up a bit more I looked into it and yes the way that it can happen has chair and the. [TS]

  The date for this election has been known for a long time like this this is the first time where the election wasn't [TS]

  quite as random as it has been in the past. [TS]

  Things have firmed up a bit there but anyway it is firmer but you still have uncertainty and [TS]

  when the date is going to be and you still only know when the maximum date is going to be unlike. [TS]

  I'm fully aware when all of the presidential elections for the rest of time will happen because I can count by four [TS]

  and that's so that's not the situation here [TS]

  and that's why in theory for someone it could be a kind of surprise that there's an election going on. [TS]

  OK So a couple of weeks. You knew it was coming. [TS]

  So getting back to the did you vote question model on election day people who are Follow me on Twitter knew that I had [TS]

  dedicated a week to administrative tasks to catch up on a whole bunch of stuff [TS]

  and it was during this week that election day was happening [TS]

  and I have to admit that I had no intentions of going out to vote because I thought I got a whole bunch of other stuff [TS]

  to do but the thing was I had Brady in the back of my mind and I thought I had some. [TS]

  You had mentioned that you wanted to talk about the election upcoming podcast. [TS]

  I thought I know Brady is going to give me a hard time about if I don't vote [TS]

  and he was like a little a little angel on my shoulder saying you should probably go out and vote. [TS]

  You've got to say I'm wrong [TS]

  but anyway this was what was in my mind this is what was in my mind you know what I really can't I got too much to do. [TS]

  There's too much stuff that I'm feeling bad about being way behind on I got to get this stuff done. [TS]

  But during the day at one point I go out to run some errands [TS]

  and as I'm going out to run some errands I literally on the same side of the street walk right by a gigantic sign that [TS]

  says polling station pointing into a library [TS]

  and there are people on the inside clearly welcoming welcoming me in to go vote. [TS]

  OK And so I thought now I'm going to feel like a real jerk if it's right here it will take two seconds [TS]

  and I don't actually step in to go vote. So I step in to go vote. Just before you say what happened next. [TS]

  Yes if you didn't even know the election was on. How on earth can you know who you going to vote for. [TS]

  I was wondering if you were going to pick up on this post because I hadn't seen any of the debates. [TS]

  I hadn't been aware of any of the issues being discussed. [TS]

  I could not be a more uninformed voter this is you are the advertisement for one of the biggest problems with democracy [TS]

  in my opinion because you know what that's like. [TS]

  I was keenly aware that this was a very funny moment of oh you know you tell people oh everybody should go out [TS]

  and vote. [TS]

  I I doubt that there was a person less informed in the nation walking into a polling station at that moment than myself [TS]

  in a grade that proves to me that you don't watch the news because despite the fact you didn't even know the election [TS]

  was on I guarantee you were in the upper echelon of people who knew about what. [TS]

  Because I see interviews with people on the street on the news with the Vox Pops [TS]

  and I say Who are you going to vote for for prime minister. [TS]

  Don't know who the prime minister is or they don't know who the party is in power [TS]

  or they don't you know people's ignorance never ceases to amaze me so even though you didn't know the election was on I [TS]

  am more comfortable with you voting than the majority of people who voted that day. But anyway. [TS]

  Oh thanks Brady that feels like a condemnation of the masses but I will take it as a compliment of me thank you. [TS]

  So you've walked into this library. What happens next. [TS]

  I go in there to vote [TS]

  but then I discover a thing which I did not know which is that you're not allowed to just vote anywhere you have to [TS]

  vote at a very particular place as a whole what is this nonsense I can't just like you can't take my vote here now. [TS]

  Now they tell me that they can't take my vote that the vote is based on where you live [TS]

  and they give me the address of the place that I have to go to actually vote and I take a look at [TS]

  and I know exactly where it is because they're all kind of local spot. [TS]

  Yeah and I think well this is exactly the opposite direction that I'm going to go in. Well shrug my shoulders. [TS]

  I tried I tried Brady and so I just kept walking on and doing my errands. [TS]

  OK So you didn't but that you do Way way the story is not over. [TS]

  Oh well there is more as it gets very exciting is amazing. [TS]

  So I run all of my errands and then I'm thinking I'm going to go back home [TS]

  and the place that I have to vote is past where my home is that is going to go home. [TS]

  However as you may be aware I now have an apple watch and on my way home I look at the Apple Watch [TS]

  and frowned because I had not gotten in the amount of walking and motion that I needed to for the day. [TS]

  And so then I thought well I guess I might as well walk to the voting station. [TS]

  OK so entirely to Philly raining on my Apple Watch. [TS]

  I walk past my house and to the polling station and I go in to vote and I tell the lady my name [TS]

  and tell her my address and she says you're not listed on this. This polling station you can vote here. [TS]

  I know that's the case already [TS]

  and I'll tell you the fact you didn't know where to vote tells me you didn't get a polling card sent to you [TS]

  and if you did have a polling center. It was me that you were on the right name and address on the list. [TS]

  Well the thing is I know I filled this out like I try to fill out this paperwork all the time [TS]

  and I am terrible with physical mail. [TS]

  There was always a huge pile of unopened physical mail in my house because I hate it. [TS]

  Yeah and so it is very possible that there was a polling card in there somewhere but I go to this location [TS]

  and they tell me no my name isn't on this list and then they ask if I moved recently which definitely was the case [TS]

  and they tell me oh don't worry about it it's no problem you can go to this third location to vote. [TS]

  If that happens to be right around the corner because I basically moved right around the corner. [TS]

  Yeah great OK here we go once again. [TS]

  I go to a third location to vote only to have them tell me that no my name is not listed there either as a person who [TS]

  had no intention to vote. [TS]

  I ended up walking to three polling stations to try and vote I was not able to vote at any of them but. [TS]

  But luckily it doesn't matter because my vote would not affect the election anyway. [TS]

  And it worked out well because I was able to close all of my apple watch activity loops. [TS]

  That's my story of trying to vote democracy in action. [TS]

  I'm not going to ask you you would have voted for because that's no one's business and I don't want to start that [TS]

  but you did know who you were going to vote for if you go in or were you just going to look at the paper [TS]

  and say whose name you like [TS]

  or have you could look at if you go leanings that would have just said well I always vote left or right of center [TS]

  and I just would have picked whoever represented your party of choice. What was what was your plan. [TS]

  What the reason why I felt comfortable going in [TS]

  and voting even though I knew literally nothing about any of the politics [TS]

  or any of the people involved in these politics was that I I had a vote that was a kind of strategic vote that was not [TS]

  relevant to the particular policies of any of the parties. [TS]

  OK so that's why I could feel like oh I can go vote in good conscience as opposed to just like you know randomly [TS]

  scribbling next to a name. So that. [TS]

  Why have I got a need to watch the news to know which way I was going to do it [TS]

  and that's not something you want to discuss that's kind of a political thing is now we will eat we'll leave it at that [TS]

  the vote was not relevant to Caltex. So did you vote Brady. [TS]

  I did vote [TS]

  and I come from Australia where voting is compulsory so it is kind of ingrained to me that on election day you vote [TS]

  and the luxury of having the choice to not vote is quite novel to me. [TS]

  So part of me sometimes thinks Oh I think I might not vote today just because I can't [TS]

  but that would not go down well in my house. [TS]

  My my wife is very thinks it's great that people vote and everyone should vote. [TS]

  And if basically any year when I jokingly say I think I'm not going to vote this year she just looks at me [TS]

  and says you are voting my friend so that's all I have no choice about voting that she tell you who to vote for. [TS]

  No no she doesn't know she doesn't tell me to vote for she's But she just thinks people should vote she thinks is [TS]

  important so I kind of I kind of and she is right. [TS]

  So but I do it more because of her pressure than than wanting to make a difference. [TS]

  I live in quite a safe city as well so I feel I can have a huge effect in what I would do anyway. [TS]

  We're always waiting for the person in power or against them but I did have a funny story. [TS]

  So to expand on what greatest explained the one thing he didn't include because he doesn't seem to realize this is that [TS]

  if you are on the electoral roll about a day or two before the election you receive a polling card with your name [TS]

  and address details about where to vote [TS]

  and also your voting registration number I think you have some code number associated with you. [TS]

  I am aware of that because I receive those before. [TS]

  OK I had mine and basically you can you don't have to have it with you they can tick you off the list without it [TS]

  but if you have your pollen count it makes life pretty easy because I just take you cut off the tick you off the list [TS]

  and you vote. [TS]

  So I went along to the local church churches often host the election which I find so funny with so separate. [TS]

  One of the three places I went to was a church you know [TS]

  and the other one wasn't explicitly a church it was officially religiously affiliated I just find that mind blowing. [TS]

  As an American every time I've done it to they not do that in America public is not held in churches depending on the [TS]

  state there may be states that do do it in churches but at least at least where I grew up it was always schools [TS]

  and we have a much stricter separation of church [TS]

  and state so the walking into a church just feels so weird on election day. [TS]

  It's usually like a church roller aside it's not usually you know you don't like walk down the aisle [TS]

  and I haven't put things on the altar where you put you know you have to vote on the altar in the moment of handing you [TS]

  the ballot. [TS]

  So I don't want to have the feeling that some crazy religious thing it's just convenient because most towns have a [TS]

  church and they usually have a hole where you can do it makes one hundred percent sense from a logistical perspective. [TS]

  They're so near I turned up at this church my wife [TS]

  and I with the voting just outside the church at the gate to the church there's all the political people hoping to you [TS]

  know give you a piece of paper or to smile at you and hope you vote for them. I'm used to that that's normal. [TS]

  That's fine. I walk past them. [TS]

  I already know how I'm going to vote and I walk through the church grounds [TS]

  but in this vestibule area there's this guy in a suit and he says may I have your bias in your polling place [TS]

  and I'm like OK well you know I mean the polling booth now his official this is obviously part of the process. [TS]

  So I showed him my polling card and my wife shows her public and he starts writing down our numbers on this list. [TS]

  Something you know I carry the you know the checking of the numbers and stuff. This is how it's all working. [TS]

  And then some. [TS]

  Latest something strikes me as wrong [TS]

  and then I notice like that he's wearing like a resent for one of the political parties [TS]

  and I'm like Who are you where are you from and he doesn't answer. [TS]

  He's taking all this information and I ask him again like a bit more family doesn't tell me. [TS]

  And then once he's got the numbers and written them down I ask him a third time. [TS]

  Welcome to creating a sane really [TS]

  but by this by this point it's probably noticeable that I'm unhappy I say Who are you where are you from. [TS]

  And he says he's from this political. He's just taking information now this is normal they do they do this. [TS]

  Other political parties do this for their own research purposes and that's fine I accept that [TS]

  but I felt like I was a bit tricked because this guy wasn't outside with all the other people he was like in like this [TS]

  the Holy of Holies he was in that he was in the church he was in he was like really close to the polling booths. [TS]

  I don't remember what I said but I did I was really unhappy there is nothing I could do [TS]

  and I just walked in sort of shaking my head and saying I think this is a bit out of order [TS]

  and I walk in two steps later this official guy because now I'm in the room where all the polling booths comes up to me [TS]

  and says Excuse me sir are you unhappy with what just happened. [TS]

  He obviously knew something was wrong and he obviously heard or saw this this incident [TS]

  and I said as a matter of fact yes I'm really displaced. [TS]

  I thought that guy was part of the polling process I wouldn't have given him my numbers are really just great he did I [TS]

  don't think he should be there. He should be out with all the others and this guy said You're right I'm sorry. [TS]

  I think he was on that earlier when it was raining and he shouldn't be there and I said Well go [TS]

  and make sure he crosses my number off his list because I don't want him having my details [TS]

  and my wife is I really embarrassed says I don't care he couldn't you know she just wants me to shut up because. [TS]

  Because now she thinks I'm creating a sane right. I'm not creating a sane. Of course not of course not I am being fair. [TS]

  Right so he then goes off and like do it with this guy obviously so I'm all riled up now and then [TS]

  and then I go up to the person who is supposed to cross me off the list and they give me my papers [TS]

  and they're like really apologetic they will feel really bad about what's happened I think I think that basically the [TS]

  people running the polling station know that I've stuffed up [TS]

  and they're probably worried I'm going to kick up a huge scene and get them in trouble so they'll come up [TS]

  and apologize to me and ask me to smooth things over and make some joke jokes with them and I went voted [TS]

  and then I went back outside and he was a bit further away from the door at this point and he said sorry [TS]

  and I said no problems have a nice day but I think he knew I was job and happy about the whole thing. [TS]

  So my voting experience of kind of you know exercising democracy was not like you know the sunny pleasant thing it [TS]

  could have been it was me being all right. [TS]

  As funny and then my wife's a shake and a headache I can't believe I can't believe it. [TS]

  You know Abraham Lincoln you know I believe in democracy [TS]

  and I believe in my right that's it I'm carrying on like unlike some [TS]

  when really I was just a bit riled up by some guy named McGreal Brady Haran defender of the sanctity of elections you [TS]

  know that there are two things that I think are important sensitive elections and the privacy of data [TS]

  and this guy like smashing both of them in my face so it was a perfect storm and then I think I can't MCO [TS]

  but I was firm and you know my was really lovely [TS]

  and would have you know I wouldn't disagree with anyone I have a conflict so I thought it sorry for him [TS]

  but no this is this is wrong. [TS]

  And look on the drive home saying I'm sorry I just think it's you know I think it's important because Barack and I. [TS]

  But whatever. I presume you don't want to reveal who you voted for. [TS]

  No just because it just gets people all riled up [TS]

  and it's like it's a relevant headline doesn't it doesn't really matter and I and also I don't care that much. [TS]

  I respect everyone's view no matter how extreme or liberal or left of center [TS]

  or whatever dislike whatever that's just but I think if everyone just votes what they think is best best for them [TS]

  and their friends and their people and the people they care about [TS]

  and all the people they choose to care about it will work itself out. [TS]

  But that leads to the next thing doesn't it doesn't work itself out. [TS]

  Yes it is the system fair again for people who are British. [TS]

  Sorry to rake over stuff you already know other than in the show I groaned I watch the news. [TS]

  Sorry to rake over stuff you already know [TS]

  but there have been a few little controversies to do with the selection to do with who got in [TS]

  and who got how many votes obviously I don't know anything about any of the controversies that happened during the [TS]

  election. [TS]

  Yeah but and I didn't follow it [TS]

  but the morning the morning after basically I thought oh I do want to see the result like I'm just curious to see how [TS]

  this worked out and I was pretty riled by the way things turned out and I. [TS]

  Also want to put my own little disclaimer in here which is that [TS]

  when I do my videos I try very hard to never mention particular political parties yet because people's brains just turn [TS]

  off the instant you mention particular political parties and they they stop thinking about it in terms of fairness [TS]

  and they start thinking about it in terms of like their sports team winning. [TS]

  Yeah and the only thing they care about is their sports team winning. Yeah. So there we are. [TS]

  I'm about to talk about particular political parties [TS]

  but I guarantee you dear listener I could barely know less about their particular policies. [TS]

  I am not advocating really for or against anybody. [TS]

  I just want to talk about it in the abstract [TS]

  but unfortunately since we're talking about a particular election we can't have this conversation in terms of gorillas [TS]

  and tigers. [TS]

  We have to talk about the particular parties in the way things worked out [TS]

  and unfortunately also one of the parties you're about to talk about [TS]

  and I suspect almost sound like you're going to sort of say they got a raw deal is the most controversial part of the [TS]

  election. The reason this election is particularly galling. It is. [TS]

  While I still think that America has everything you could want to go wrong with elections America basically does the [TS]

  U.K. Is a particularly interesting example of how First Past the Post voting can go wrong. [TS]

  Yes because of the way that this system happens to be set up and because the U.K. [TS]

  For various reasons has been able to hang on to having multiple parties in a way that the United States [TS]

  and lots of other places that that use First Past the Post don't. [TS]

  So in the US You always get a kind of like oh it's Republicans or Democrats [TS]

  and it's about evenly split because that's the stable state of the system. But the U.K. [TS]

  Still exists in a kind of unstable state where there are multiple parties. [TS]

  And that ends up in just absolutely bizarre results. [TS]

  The short thing that I think is really quite appalling is if you take a look at the votes. [TS]

  So the party that won were the conservatives. [TS]

  Yes and I'm looking at some pie charts here I'll put them in the show not on a nationwide level. [TS]

  Thirty seven percent of people voted for the conservatives. Yet now because the U.K. [TS]

  Is is divided into a bunch of constituencies the way this works is the election isn't really taking place on the [TS]

  national level. It's six hundred some odd local elections for who is going to be the member of parliament of the Shire. [TS]

  Right so they are going to pick their M.P. and Their M.P. [TS]

  Is then sent off to Westminster to represent the shire in Parliament. M.P. [TS]

  Is that member of parliament a member of our you have his constituency so every every constituency is saying we want to [TS]

  send Billy blokes from the Conservative Party to be a member of parliament for the next five years [TS]

  or we want to send Jane Smith from the Liberal Democrat Party. [TS]

  We want to send her to a member of parliament for the next five years [TS]

  and older people then come together six hundred fifty or however many. [TS]

  And it's based on who has the weight of numbers there decide who forms the government. [TS]

  Then please go off to Parliament. [TS]

  And if one party is able to get a majority of the seats in parliament they have complete control over the government. [TS]

  Yes they basically get to make laws and the reference here for Americans. [TS]

  The reason this is a little tricky to explain is that the U.K. [TS]

  System does not have the same kind of checks and balances that the US system has [TS]

  and I'm not I'm not saying that to say that it's worse or better [TS]

  but just that it's different so that the thing that blows most Americans minds is that the the prime minister is not [TS]

  the same. As the president in Britain you don't vote directly for prime minister. [TS]

  You are just voting for your local Member of Parliament [TS]

  and if your party gets the majority of seats in parliament they basically get to pick who is going to be prime minister [TS]

  who just happens to be one of those members of parliament and they decide write him like a man [TS]

  or woman their boss who just yet who just happens to be one of the members of parliament [TS]

  and this is why from an American perspective you can get really bizarre things that happen where no election occurs [TS]

  but the prime minister changes [TS]

  and that's because the party in charge has decided oh we don't like how this guy is doing things we're going to vote [TS]

  him out just amongst ourselves and put somebody else back in place. [TS]

  That can happen and I understand that's bizarre to Americans [TS]

  but just pick saying saying we're catering to Americans so much here I think we also need to point out during in one [TS]

  thousand nine percent of cases during the election it's not a mystery who the prime minister will be you know ahead of [TS]

  time. In fact the election is quite presidential in that way and although you're voting for. [TS]

  You're a member of parliament your little man or woman to go off and represent you. [TS]

  Most people don't even know who their representative is [TS]

  and they just go into the polling booth look for the name of the party you know who is associated with the prime [TS]

  ministerial candidate they prefer. [TS]

  And I just took that person's name so it is a battle to be between two prime ministers but yeah it is. [TS]

  It is finally back where it's like the practicalities of it because yes it is almost run as though it is a presidential [TS]

  election [TS]

  but there is the actual mechanics of it kind of have nothing to do with that it's very it's it's a strange an interesting [TS]

  system. [TS]

  But but but so the long [TS]

  and short of it is if you get fifty one percent of the seats in parliament because you also pick the Prime Minister you [TS]

  don't have any kind of opposition. [TS]

  You just get to decide what it is you want to do [TS]

  and you get to pass those laws for the most part please people don't email me with with lots of kind of stuff but like. [TS]

  Sounding it off ninety five percent of the time that's the case fifty one percent you're in charge. [TS]

  The weird thing is because of the way First Past the Post works because of the way the local constituencies work. [TS]

  The end result is that thirty seven percent of the voters for the Conservative Party happen to win fifty one percent of [TS]

  the seats in parliament. [TS]

  Yeah but then that also means because the thirty seven percent of the voters got fifty one percent of the seats. [TS]

  They also basically have one hundred percent of the power in the government [TS]

  and this is one of the things that I have a real problem with is allowing a plurality [TS]

  but not a majority of citizens basically to dictate the direction of the entire country. [TS]

  That's that's really what kind of sticks in my craw most more than some of the other things that we will talk about is [TS]

  is this very notion that the largest group gets to act as though they are a majority even though they are they are by [TS]

  no means a majority. That is a frustrating system and I think that that is very undemocratic. [TS]

  Thing is like I said I know you're a big expert on this and I don't feel particularly passionate about it [TS]

  and I will say I don't really like First Past the Post voting but that's what we've got. [TS]

  I think the thing here is there are actually two there there are two arguments going on here at the same time [TS]

  and I know you're aware of the subtlety but I'll point this out anyway. No no please don't. [TS]

  There is a debate about what voting system should be used in the each of these constituencies to choose our John Doe [TS]

  or Sally Jones to go off to parliament and that's an argument to have. Who's going to represent us. [TS]

  How are we going to decide our individual representative to represent me here in the hills and you day. [TS]

  Down in the city and stuff right. [TS]

  But then the other argument is the parliamentary system should we have these constituents [TS]

  and be represented in this geographical way [TS]

  or should we be represented by some committee that that represents all their views and how we all want to vote [TS]

  and it seems most people like the constituency model. [TS]

  I agree that when you talk to people people value the idea of a local representative. [TS]

  Yep so if we're going to have that system I think we're always going to have this problem where you can do very well. [TS]

  Let's just say that this is this party that the called the U.K. Independence Party Ukip in the U.K. [TS]

  And what happened in this election and it's one of the things that's being raised is they go about [TS]

  or they get ten percent they got thirteen percent of the vague [TS]

  or thirteen percent of the National Right now they're a very controversial party because they are to do with [TS]

  immigration and their nationalist party but all of us thought they got thirteen percent of the vote [TS]

  and they only got one seat in the parliament which turns out to be point two percent of Parliament yet. [TS]

  So that's that's the direct disparity to compare and everyone thinks that's very unfair and maybe they're right [TS]

  and I think Grey thinks that's unfair and maybe he's right. I'm not entirely convinced that's unfair. Tell me why. [TS]

  Well the thing is they spread themselves thin and then make a bit of noise everywhere [TS]

  and they going to get some votes everywhere. [TS]

  But that doesn't mean there's no there is only one constituency in which the majority of the people in that [TS]

  constituency. The plurality of the people of Iowa person let me tell you a story. [TS]

  Just to be clear though they didn't win a majority of the seats even there they want to plurality of the seats. [TS]

  Let me tell you a story you tell me a story [TS]

  and nineteen seventy four Your one of your most beloved countries Neverland. [TS]

  So all and whatever you want to call them that's called Neverland's going to make you happiest. That's perfectly fine. [TS]

  Benevolence. Whatever you want they'll be like Holland too. [TS]

  They had an awesome soccer team in nineteen seventy four and at the World Cup of soccer. [TS]

  They would they set the tournament alight and everyone was really excited by them [TS]

  and it looked like they were going to win and they got to the final and they stumbled at the final hurdle [TS]

  and they lost the final to Germany I think it was held in Germany so that probably gave the Germans an advantage anyway. [TS]

  They lost. Very said the next year nine hundred seventy eight they were still very good. [TS]

  People thought maybe they'll do it this time. Again they got to the final they got right to the end. [TS]

  And again they were really unlucky and they lost the final. [TS]

  Now kind of the bridesmaids again and then in two thousand and ten they finally met they made it to the final again [TS]

  and finally was this going to be their moment made it all the way to the end. [TS]

  Just lost the final to spine one nail they lost. [TS]

  Now this feels to me under a great model we would say you've done so well so many times in so many different countries [TS]

  and so many different tournaments against so many different people. Let's just give you a World Cup trophy. [TS]

  I know you've never actually won one. [TS]

  You've never actually won it but you've done so well [TS]

  and you've proven yourself to be a good soccer team we're going to give you a trophy anyway I think the same thing [TS]

  applies to the selection if you keep it going to put a candidate and all the six hundred odd states [TS]

  and you know get ten percent of the vote in that one and ten percent of the vote [TS]

  and that one in fifteen percent of the vote and that one and they keep doing well but they never win. [TS]

  They never win the final. [TS]

  Are we going to say you know what you did so well get over so many states that even though you never won. [TS]

  Let's just give you a whole bunch of seats in the Parliament anyway this I think is an interesting argument [TS]

  and this I feel like is the technicality argument where you're right they basically didn't win any of the elections [TS]

  and again people. These don't e-mail us. [TS]

  We are very aware of some of the complicating factors like Ukip running a candidate in almost every constituency [TS]

  and not every party does it that way so maybe the reasons why their votes are R. [TS]

  Seem larger than they should be like that we're aware of all of this. [TS]

  But but so when [TS]

  when you talk about winning a local constituency my view on it is the constituencies are the exact same problem as the [TS]

  national election but just smaller. [TS]

  The whole problem in my view is the idea which seems comical if you think about it that a single person is going to [TS]

  represent in any meaningful way the views of a large group of other people this is no longer about voting then it's [TS]

  that this is actually about the whole parliamentary system. [TS]

  Like to like how we represented we represented but because the Everything's going to come down to that problem. [TS]

  The president of the United States comes. [TS]

  Then to that problem the president is an interesting case because the president in large extent is a kind of veto like [TS]

  that is the president's primary power. [TS]

  Put it that put that aside for a moment [TS]

  but if you zoom down to any single constituency I looked up the numbers for the constituency in which I live has voted [TS]

  for the same party for as long as it has ever existed and almost always by a sixty percent margin. [TS]

  That right there is the fundamental problem that the idea that that person or whoever that party happens to run. [TS]

  Every single time for more than half a century for for more than twice my lifetime that that party completely [TS]

  and utterly represents the interests of this particular section of London. [TS]

  That doesn't make sense and I don't think that it is it is fair. [TS]

  And in this case at the very least in this constituency it is a majority and the majority of the voters. [TS]

  If you are selecting that candidate [TS]

  but it still means that for all of time the other forty percent of people who live in that constituency never have any [TS]

  influence or representation at the national level [TS]

  but there are they aren't the only true alternative the only totally fair alternative is that each of the sixty five [TS]

  or seventy million or have many people live here in the country have one representative for them and we have a [TS]

  and we have a parliament that has millions [TS]

  and millions of people in it so that we are overrepresented on every vote on every law you have to you have to at some [TS]

  point. But here's the thing that argument is the direct democracy argument right. [TS]

  OK Do you want to have a direct democracy where the people vote directly on the laws. [TS]

  Well I think it you can make pretty convincing arguments that that's not a good idea. [TS]

  But but there is an enormous degree of difference [TS]

  or there's an enormous amount of space in which there are options between direct democracy [TS]

  and a single representative per however many tens of thousands of people are in each constituency. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and this is this is one of the reasons why I made those voting videos to show that there are several systems that allow [TS]

  people to still have local representatives which they value. [TS]

  I think over value but it's what people want [TS]

  and still have national parliamentary results that better reflect the actual will of the people. [TS]

  That is my issue is that I think when you [TS]

  when you look at like I'm looking at these pie charts on my screen right now which would show where the thirty seven [TS]

  percent blue for the votes which end up with fifty one percent in terms of representation. [TS]

  And then I mean it's not even just Ukip it's I mean looking at this looking at this chart right you have Ukip had [TS]

  thirteen percent of the vote they end up with less than one percent of the seats. The Liberal Democrats. [TS]

  They got that basically. [TS]

  Eight percent of the vote they get one percent of the seats the Greens got four percent of the vote they get a point [TS]

  two percent of the seats like that to me when you look at that. [TS]

  I don't care who the parties are I don't care what they stand for. [TS]

  I think this is results where a third of the people end up with one hundred percent of the control [TS]

  and sixty six percent of the people end up with no control and no meaningful representation. [TS]

  That deal legitimises the entire process in my mind it makes it hard to say why [TS]

  and why does why does this ruling government have legitimacy when only thirty seven percent of the people voted for it. [TS]

  I find it very difficult for a government to make a convincing argument why they should have one hundred percent of the [TS]

  control. [TS]

  The reason why I don't like local representation so much is because if you control where those borders are drawn you [TS]

  control the entire election. [TS]

  You know if if someone said to me I get to redraw these boundaries you know I could I could instead make it an almost [TS]

  completely different government and I could put together a coalition of any other government that I want [TS]

  and that's one of the reasons why I think the local representation thing is just overvalued people people don't realize [TS]

  how much where those boundaries are drawn wildly affects the elections before we come on to the cause. [TS]

  Again that's a separate issue and I know the two are tied together because having power gives you. [TS]

  But let's leave the issue of boundaries aside and manipulating boundaries. Let's just stick for a bit longer. [TS]

  Yeah the U.K. Luckily doesn't really have that problem the boundary conditions are pretty good in the U.K. OK. [TS]

  But it but where those boundaries end up still does change the election. [TS]

  Yes OK let's put that to one side [TS]

  and let's talk a bit for bit longer about this whole issue of Tories only the Conservative Party sorry thirty seven [TS]

  percent of the vote and they're in power and these are the ones you know. Imagine a power. [TS]

  A woman that did represent over voting like you know a thirty seven percent. [TS]

  What a complete [TS]

  and utter quagmire a log jammed mess that would be is there not something to be said for the FF for the argument that [TS]

  you need to engineer the system so that whoever you decide is the winner whoever does win based on whatever voting [TS]

  system you use is then given some power is given some potency because if we had a committee in Westminster in London [TS]

  deciding our laws that was based on this make up of thirty seven percent thirty odd percent thirty percent they would [TS]

  just never get anything done. Don't you need to say OK for better or worse this party has won the election. [TS]

  Let's just give them some power for five years because otherwise the companies can't govern without power. [TS]

  You cannot have some wishy washy committee to come back to the World Cup of soccer. [TS]

  Can you imagine if they all played all their games for a month [TS]

  and then everyone said well we think we think Spain were thirty three percent the best team in the Netherlands with [TS]

  twenty eight percent the best a minestrone were five percent and England were two percent [TS]

  and they just carved up the gold trophy and gave everyone a piece of the trophy. [TS]

  Now to be ridiculous you have to you have to have your competition and then say OK one person gets the trophy. [TS]

  One person gets the power and for the next four years or five years or whatever it is you are the champions [TS]

  or you are the government you have the power. And that's come back again in five years and do it all again. [TS]

  I see what you're saying here. [TS]

  However this is the situation the reason why it really bothers me is you're talking about the national level you're [TS]

  talking about rules that absolutely affect everyone [TS]

  and I never understand this argument of we just need to play we just need to just do stuff we need to just be able to [TS]

  get stuff done. Even if it is very clear that people don't agree with each other. [TS]

  And at the at the at the national level [TS]

  when you're talking about things like you talk about things like national defense you're talking about national [TS]

  infrastructure national health care all of these vastly important issues. [TS]

  I don't understand the argument that if we if we can't get people to agree on these very important issues we should [TS]

  just let whoever happens to be the largest group but not a majority just decide everything. [TS]

  I don't see why people are so allergic to compromise because sometimes compromise doesn't work like. [TS]

  Like if you're there let me ask you something Brady right here. [TS]

  Here's here's the thing here's the reverse scenario because I think what happens is people look at the current system [TS]

  and then kind of back into reasons why they think it's good. [TS]

  But but imagine I think about it from a classroom scenario and the thought you have you know twenty kids in a room [TS]

  and you say OK kids here's what we're going to do we're going to let you decide. Some of the rules for the classroom. [TS]

  Now the first thing we have to decide though is how how are we going to decide rules that will affect everybody. [TS]

  How many votes do you think we need in order to make a rule that is going to affect everybody. [TS]

  I think all humans have it have an innate sense that if you're going to do something that affects everybody you should [TS]

  have at least a majority of people agree. [TS]

  I can't imagine you would have anybody in this situation where you haven't set up a system arguing that if six kids can [TS]

  agree together they don't need to compromise with anybody else they can just set rules for the entire classroom of [TS]

  twenty. You're talking about a very black and white situation here lacka lacka guilty or not guilty. [TS]

  If a jury or today we're going to go to the zoo or to they when they go to the museum. [TS]

  I mean the things that get in parliament a very nuanced. [TS]

  Yes but the bottom line is that a law is either passed or a law is not passed. [TS]

  Well again that's a very stats a very again that's a very simple statement of what happens when laws are created [TS]

  and there's huge amounts of compromise and negotiate. Stop stop stop stop right there though. [TS]

  There is compromise in negotiation if the party is forced to compromise and negotiate. [TS]

  Right but currently the Conservative Party does not need to compromise [TS]

  and negotiate with anybody because they have a majority of seats so they have to be one hundred percent of the power. [TS]

  Well you really don't watch the news much do you. [TS]

  If you think that that small majority at the Conservative Party have [TS]

  and the political situation is going to make it easy for them to push laws through then you are not [TS]

  but you know you know what I'm saying here right. Yeah they they are rounding it off. [TS]

  Yeah they have a huge amount of control. [TS]

  Yes there are always things around the edges with these systems [TS]

  but it doesn't change the fact that what is being discussed is largely under their control. [TS]

  I think if you had a different situation. [TS]

  Just every everything which has become a stick in the mud every every every minor thing would just get held up by [TS]

  political opportunism and immense [TS]

  and I mean you know I mean you know there are many like most countries have some kind of proportional representation [TS]

  and it's not like they're all falling to pieces and they can't get anything done. [TS]

  What just needs to happen is at a national level you need to get more people on board [TS]

  and I think that that's totally fine. [TS]

  Now as you go as innocent as you go down the power chain as you start talking about more [TS]

  and more local stuff then then I'm more OK with kind of giving up on compromise and [TS]

  and allowing smaller groups maybe to have more power. [TS]

  But I just think that the national level is the most important level. [TS]

  And if your party can't get an actual majority of the people supporting you you should have to compromise [TS]

  and work with other parties. [TS]

  But I think that if you were able to actually get a majority of the citizens of a nation to support your political [TS]

  party and elect you into office. I like that parliamentary systems then do give you an enormous amount of leeway. [TS]

  I think that that like that is a good way that parliamentary systems work [TS]

  and on the flip side with America like the American system people always always complain about how slow [TS]

  and how cumbersome it is and hard is to get anything done. [TS]

  But that whole system is designed to slow everything down it's designed to have elections at different times. [TS]

  You can't get anybody ever having a majority [TS]

  and I'm not always sure that that's good I feel like if a majority of people want to vote in a particular party that [TS]

  party should have more leeway. So I do like that in a parliamentary system. [TS]

  I just don't like it when it is a small number of voters who have ended up basically because of borders [TS]

  and because of an unfair voting system with the majority of the power [TS]

  and then act as though the majority of citizens have actually voted them in which is not at all the case. OK. [TS]

  Everyone who voted in the U.K. Election. Well this is not true. [TS]

  I'm going to say anyway everyone who voted in the election knows how the political system here works. [TS]

  Let's me use that as an. [TS]

  Sumption do you think you know weren't you just telling me that the vox pops demonstrate that nobody knows how for the [TS]

  sake of argument we're going to use for the sake of OK let's pretend we have nothing but inform voters [TS]

  and I think if you're going to have an idealized parliament where everyone sits around and compromises [TS]

  and knocked things out and nobody I know until you have your than arguing [TS]

  and I do you know no relation No I don't understand what I am arguing the exact opposite that they have ended up in a [TS]

  situation where they don't need to compromise. No what I was saying is you're being you're being quite. [TS]

  Academic about how parliament works so let me be academic about how the voters work for a minute [TS]

  and that's pretend all the voters and you know perfectly understand the system. [TS]

  OK Could you say that the reason we have say thirteen percent Ukip is because people vote [TS]

  and don't like kind of feel like we're not going to get in any way. [TS]

  If they knew that thirteen percent of their vote was going to put thirty percent Ukip candidates in the house they may [TS]

  vote differently this is a demonstrated effect this is called the nursery effect [TS]

  and it is it is without doubt true that people are more likely to vote for candidates [TS]

  and political parties that they don't think are likely to actually win this is true across the board [TS]

  and so is true for the Greens it's true for the for Ukip that it is likely they have a larger percentage of votes than [TS]

  they would get under an actual Your representative system so if it was quite self correcting Now this to me just even [TS]

  further de legitimizes the whole system because even when you're looking at the votes [TS]

  and trying to figure out how do people want to vote you you don't even [TS]

  or I should say you know for certain that these percentages aren't even necessarily accurate representations of how [TS]

  people would vote if they were dealing under a proportional system the whole thing is just is just garbage. [TS]

  It's absolute garbage. [TS]

  So interesting that you are so passionate about this topic and you're so passionate about the way you wake up [TS]

  and the fairness or the unfairness of it and yet you take absolutely no interest in the actual governing [TS]

  and you didn't even know there was an election because the reason that I don't take any interest in it is precisely [TS]

  because I know that my vote counts for Jack it doesn't count for anything [TS]

  and I have absolutely no influence on this whole system. [TS]

  You know the constituency in which I live is never going to vote for a different candidate not not not even close. [TS]

  Not ever. You know not until the end of time and so. [TS]

  So I like living here but as long as I live here you know my vote doesn't count for anything. [TS]

  So that's why I can I can be extremely frustrated with this system [TS]

  and be very interested in the mechanics of how better systems work [TS]

  and care nothing at all for how the gov like the particulars of how the government is working because I have absolutely [TS]

  no influence on those things. How do you know it's not working then how do you know it's not working. [TS]

  How do I know what's not working. [TS]

  Like how do you know the system isn't working and we're not being well governed if you don't know how we're governed. [TS]

  What I mean is that the system is not representing what I think is the will of the people that you see in the way the [TS]

  votes are distributed. [TS]

  That's what I mean I'm not I'm not talking about like are the trains running kind of thing I mean that the national [TS]

  level government is not any kind of reflection of how the people are expressing their But that's not what. [TS]

  But do you know that like the debate [TS]

  or the conversations aren't being shaped by like obviously the number of people with their bums on the chairs in the in [TS]

  the building don't represent the percentage of the votes [TS]

  but do you know that there are more subtle things at play here. Because everyone knows these numbers right. [TS]

  Like it and everyone knows another election is coming. [TS]

  Do you not think that the polls and the like and I know this is a bit wishy washy [TS]

  but I don't think I'm not sure what you're asking here. [TS]

  Well everyone are you asking to political parties pay attention to these polls you bet they did say that conservatives [TS]

  care a lot about the fact that you can't get such a big percentage. [TS]

  And if I was if I was the political strategist for the Conservative Party I would be very worried about those high [TS]

  numbers for Ukip [TS]

  and it seems from the little bit that I know that it is very likely that the conservatives have changed some of their [TS]

  policies to try to woo Ukip voters so that is correct you are quite right I agree with the I don't know if you are [TS]

  correct [TS]

  but I agree with you it does seem that way as well to me I mean that's my guess I don't know what that says to me that [TS]

  says to me Look you know I don't care about this and I think the voting systems are rubbish today. [TS]

  What this says to me if if the the party that's governing is being shaped by this thirteen percent of the vote that you [TS]

  can't go then even though they haven't got the bums on seats they are shaping the debate and the way we're governed [TS]

  and something's working. [TS]

  Somehow a bit of it happens to be sort of like a compromise but it's like a crappy second order effect. [TS]

  You would never design the system intentionally to work this way. [TS]

  If the the growing number of green voters slightly influences the Labor governments to change their policies in [TS]

  particular ways that is a benefit. [TS]

  But there are much better ways to design a system to do that on purpose without negative effects that the current [TS]

  system has. That's that's my frustration. Has any country got a national level in your opinion. [TS]

  Everybody everybody has their problems. [TS]

  I don't want to single out anybody in particular but I would say that in the developed world the U.S. and The U.K. [TS]

  And I would include Canada have particularly interesting combinations of problems that all exacerbate each other in [TS]

  unfortunate ways. [TS]

  Many of these things is like the first past the post system which is common to all three of them is terrible. [TS]

  But all three of them also have other things that make it worse. [TS]

  And so while many other countries that use different systems or even within the U.K. Parts of the U.K. [TS]

  Use things like single transferable vote which I do quite like. It's not exactly proportional. [TS]

  But if you have a slightly better voting system it can greatly mitigate other problems that the country has. [TS]

  Greg you just completely completely out of that like a politician like on the side of the politician What are your [TS]

  policies and they just didn't stop slagging off the opposition. I said I said What's a good one who's doing it right. [TS]

  I know you don't want to get people jumping on your back but could you name a bunch of countries [TS]

  or just like like I'm just kind of feeling like you just downing the U.S. and The U.K. [TS]

  and Canada and maybe rightly so but I just want to know where to look for someone who's who's doing it right. [TS]

  I don't I don't want to name anyone in particular people will just get mad. [TS]

  Do you like Australia I'm from Australia so I was the only one I'll ask about specifically as a strategy because that's [TS]

  where I'm from. [TS]

  Yeah it's I was one of you has let us try it because the funny thing about Australia is they have the alternative open [TS]

  as we discussed in a previous podcast they do it in the worst possible way [TS]

  but I still think it's better than than the way the U.K. System works. It's still not very good. [TS]

  OK So there are better ones than a strike you're out there. [TS]

  Yeah they're different but everyone's in a striking when you tell me which country does it. [TS]

  So I can go and read about them. [TS]

  Well I won't tell anyone what we can do we can talk some of the particulars off air gushing about you [TS]

  but will be like a ferret this is a spring podcast restrained. [TS]

  Yeah I thought to say I'd like but the first past the post really really makes things worse. [TS]

  And the problem on the national level about misrepresentation is the same problem you have at the local level about [TS]

  misrepresentation when you are only going to select one representative. [TS]

  You know if you if you look at any of the smaller places it's really interesting like if you just look at Scotland the [TS]

  Scottish National Party was really helped by the first past the post system. [TS]

  Yes because people been showing it on Twitter. This funny little map of the U.K. [TS]

  but It basically looks like Maggie Simpson because most of the country is blue except for Scotland which is the yellow [TS]

  head [TS]

  but it's a similar thing where the Scottish National Party basically took every single seat in Scotland which makes it [TS]

  look like everybody in Scotland voted for the Scottish National Party but that's not the case. [TS]

  You know that's that's not the case. But if you if you voted anything except Scottish National Party. [TS]

  Already in all of Scotland you basically you basically don't have any representation [TS]

  and first past the post helped them in that way where they got five percent of the vote [TS]

  but they ended up with nine almost ten percent of the actual seats in parliament so just like there's a whole system is [TS]

  just weird. [TS]

  You know if you can distribute your voters so that you get a plurality of votes you know that's awesome for you as a [TS]

  political party but if you know if you can't do that it's terrible for you. [TS]

  So I'm just frustrated with the whole thing. [TS]

  You make some good points [TS]

  and you know I mean you do seem like the sort of the wishy washy let's all let So let's all sit in a circle [TS]

  and they should be fairly represented and have a big hug and with them will just compromise [TS]

  and I guess I sounded a bit I don't I sound a bit more ruthless like I'm giving out World Cups [TS]

  and dismissing the losers to go and suffer for years and if you don't if you don't win on that day you never win. [TS]

  But you seem a bit you seem to want to reward loses Look let me ask you something. [TS]

  Let me ask you something do you do you think a third of the people should be able to decide whether [TS]

  or not the whole country goes to war like this is the kind of stuff that happens on a national level. [TS]

  Oh yeah [TS]

  and that's that's why it matters like you know what I think if you're going to declare war you need to get more than a [TS]

  third of the people to agree with you. You shouldn't be able to say oh we're the biggest group. [TS]

  Well let me put the opposite argument. Let me put the opposite argument to you. [TS]

  If some invading forces coming in pointing their nuclear missiles at you [TS]

  and they're just about to blow you off the face of the earth do you think a group of six hundred people should sit [TS]

  around and hold hands and think oh what do you think no no what do you think I don't know what do you think. [TS]

  Let's trade like trade you know let's just have someone in charge of body press the button. [TS]

  Let me ask you something don't you think. Right in an in an existential situation people would agree. [TS]

  Right people if the if you want to know is that isn't what you want to give someone Power I Am i am very happy to lay [TS]

  it on the table and this is this is this always happens in these conversations. People act as though. [TS]

  No humans can never possibly agree on anything. And like humans are actually very good at this kind of stuff. [TS]

  If you have a big obvious problem with a big obvious solution what do you think you're going to have people not [TS]

  agreeing about that of course people are going to I mean it does happen [TS]

  but anyway I mean you're right necessity is the mother of invention and I was probably also the mother of compromise. [TS]

  That's exactly right and I tell you where decorating our house at the moment as you know [TS]

  and before you even start before you even start this is what I was just about to say this exact thing that you're going [TS]

  to talk about the reason people imagine that committees argue and bicker [TS]

  and do all of this stuff is because the smaller the stakes the more people can feel free to argue about this kind of [TS]

  stuff and so when there's a huge debate [TS]

  and you can't get anybody to agree usually it's like it's not over something that is absolutely vital if it goes one [TS]

  way or the other. [TS]

  Right this is this is the this is the bike shed effect right everybody wants to argue about what color to paint the [TS]

  bike shed. [TS]

  And so you'll have a huge argument in the committee about that but when you [TS]

  when you get down to like important stuff [TS]

  and you bring experts to the table it's a lot easier to get people to agree on important stuff than it is an important [TS]

  that's not exactly what I was going to say I was going to say that we're decorating the house at the moment [TS]

  and we don't always agree on what color paint to erase but. [TS]

  So in the end I have given the power to my wife so we don't end up with rooms painted different colors she just given [TS]

  her the power to decide and I think there's something to be said for giving someone power to decide things. [TS]

  But you are voluntarily you voluntarily gave that power over right. [TS]

  You you have implicitly agreed to go along with what she said this is what a coalition is this is what a coalition [TS]

  government is right where you know you don't always get our way but we're kind of agreeing to go along with you [TS]

  but I can guarantee that if she came back with some kind of future that she wanted to paint the whole house [TS]

  and the dogs in you would withdraw your consent. Because that would be stupid. [TS]

  It just sounds like you want a big committee of millions of people [TS]

  and I don't I don't want to I think the Parliament is way too big I think that's actually one of the problems is [TS]

  there's too many seats. [TS]

  I think you need to keep you need to keep national parliaments [TS]

  and national governing bodies at something under a Dunbar number right you need like one hundred people so that the [TS]

  people who are actually working with each other have some notion of who the individuals are. [TS]

  I don't know what Dunbar number is. Dunbar number is about one hundred twenty. [TS]

  It's basically how many humans can a single human meaningfully keep track of like the relationships between them. [TS]

  OK And so I give I was Emperor of the U.K. [TS]

  You know one of the very first things I would do is I like listen we're cutting this Parliament down by a divisor of [TS]

  six right [TS]

  and we're going to have bigger constituencies each of which send more representatives so that it is more proportional. [TS]

  But you can expect six hundred people to meaningfully work with each other in any particular way. [TS]

  Yeah but you know like that's a separate issue and I think that the E.U. [TS]

  Suffers from that a little bit with like gigantic parliaments of listening guys like you know you can have proportional [TS]

  representation with one hundred people that's close enough like a hundred people going to get your error within one [TS]

  percent. OK that's fine but. [TS]

  Yes six hundred people is a crazy number of people so it definitely has to be smaller as well. [TS]

  They are not some are not some hippie. I just think if it's a big problem people will be able to agree on that. [TS]

  Or like the war thing. [TS]

  People will either vote yes this is a war to get involved in [TS]

  or no it is not it's not like there's ten thousand options. [TS]

  It's an important thing you'll get agreement to your faith in humanity restored my faith in you [TS]

  and it's been a pleasure talking about voting with me because you certainly I think a lot about it [TS]

  and know a lot about it I have no faith in humans. I have faith in. [TS]