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H.I. #33: Mission to Mars

 

  So so for those who don't know Gray has just been telling me off like a schoolboy from my what is it my sort of my [TS]

  microphone discipline he claims that I keep doing things to ruin his recordings. All I was asking. [TS]

  All I was asking is that you don't fidget with the microphone by touching it when you're not talking [TS]

  and I could see you doing it on the video camera and then you're telling me how you don't do it. [TS]

  I refused to believe I do are obviously doing unconsciously I refuse to believe I ever touch this microphone in front [TS]

  of me [TS]

  when you claim to have seen me do it so I will I'll be listening intently during this pod cast to see if I can catch [TS]

  you doing it while we're talking. [TS]

  If I can hear it over the headphones like what are you doing right now Brady and you'll look at me [TS]

  and I think yeah I think. I think passing a no no no. [TS]

  You like activate all the cameras immediately to so yes I saw you doing that [TS]

  and it was infuriating to edit out last time but that's fine. [TS]

  You know whatever you know how you know how we talk on the video first beforehand and then we start recording [TS]

  and you switch off the video right. It kind of like freezes in the last the camera freezes for the last shot. [TS]

  I sort of you so yeah [TS]

  and you phrase it this time in the middle of you doing a big gigantic laugh at this big happiest Smiley C.D.P. [TS]

  Gray I've ever sane [TS]

  and so caring for the steering from this crew that is really key is that we can look at the whole time [TS]

  and recording it is it is like OK it is so no matter what happens for the rest of this podcast I'm just going to think [TS]

  you're really happy that me and everything's good. Whatever works that works for you that's great. [TS]

  The funny thing is that's a complete contrast to what you really seem to be like at the moment I've been following you [TS]

  on Twitter and then you've been doing nothing then when you can grumble and sigh And yeah this is I'm not. [TS]

  Not at all I am I am Mr complaining pants on Twitter whenever I am animating [TS]

  and I've been at a meeting for the past two days. [TS]

  And yes I just use Twitter as a steam vent to just release frustration whenever I'm in the middle of an animation so I [TS]

  feel very badly for everyone who follows me during this time but that's that's just the way this is the way things are. [TS]

  Your Twitter usage goes through the roof when you're animating I can always tell [TS]

  when you're animating because all of a sudden you're on Twitter all the time. That is without a doubt that is true. [TS]

  And other people notice as well. [TS]

  If I am just like tweeting up a storm there is a very good chance I am doing something that is terribly tedious [TS]

  and that is usually animation the thing I don't understand [TS]

  and this is this is like part of the cycle of being friends with C.T.V. [TS]

  Is that whenever you have your video come out once or twice a month [TS]

  or whatever whatever whatever you thing is you go through this period we're on animating and I can't do anything [TS]

  and I'm really busy and I'm really stressed and you're a real pain in the backside [TS]

  and I don't understand why this is the case because you were actually researching these videos you know you're quite [TS]

  flexible. [TS]

  You take your time and you get everything just right and then you create this this official mad rush deadline [TS]

  and that you refused to be flexible on it like I'm going to get it done I'm going to get it done. [TS]

  This is the weekend from hell this weekend that you've pulled from the eighth. [TS]

  You've told us all this stress on yourself and I know you and I occasionally there is a reason for a deadline. [TS]

  If there's a particular event or you know maybe there can be other reasons [TS]

  but this video has no real extrinsic deadline that I'm currently working on you know what do you what this is this is [TS]

  ridiculous what why why does this happen. [TS]

  Why do you suddenly Why do you create these artificial deadlines [TS]

  and if you must do them why do you then start animating so night if you're Mr organized well historically speaking. [TS]

  I've always I've always just done exactly I'm doing now which is animating over the core. [TS]

  First of two days if I'm lucky or four days if I'm unlucky to put together the video [TS]

  and I think I've always partly done it all at once because I just I just hate it it's so tedious. [TS]

  It just takes so long [TS]

  and at the point at which I'm animating for people to understand the work flow is like OK I write the video I record [TS]

  the audio and then the animation always comes last. [TS]

  But in my mind my brain always feels like oh once you've recorded the audio we're done now right. [TS]

  You know is this is this is over and now it's not over there's actually many many hours of work to be done [TS]

  and I don't know why but I've always just found it somehow easier to chunk it all together in a big push. [TS]

  So it's like a really take long pulling off of the Band-Aid I am trying to condense that time it just takes a lot [TS]

  that's what I mean it's like it's as quick as it can. [TS]

  Yeah it does take two days [TS]

  but it is a pulling off of the Band-Aid it's getting rid of the unpleasurable thing as radically as humanly possible [TS]

  right. Just as quickly as humanly possible happens to be today. [TS]

  Yes Yes That's that is that is the best it's ever going to be. [TS]

  Now it's funny that you bring it up with this one because it just so happens that I have a whole bunch of projects [TS]

  going on at the moment right now and I have read a lot musky. No that's exactly it. [TS]

  You send people into space is one of my thing. No but. [TS]

  But so I've rejiggered some some of the way that my schedule works for making videos which I think is an improvement [TS]

  over all [TS]

  but one of the things that I was I was thinking about with my work schedule is exactly this issue of God I hate those [TS]

  weekends when I'm at a meeting it's just the worst. [TS]

  Let me try to actually spread this out over a longer more sane period of time [TS]

  and so I have actually been animating this video since last weekend but trying to do it on a reasonable. [TS]

  All time schedule of saying OK there's going to block out like a two or two and a half hour period each afternoon. [TS]

  And I'm going to try to just animate during that time to like move this part of the project forward without just [TS]

  dedicating a whole weekend to it. [TS]

  So I actually have been trying not to do it all at once [TS]

  but it turns out I hate that even more that this is just a deeply deeply unpleasant experience because it feels like it [TS]

  does really drag out the animation for a much longer period of time. [TS]

  And it it it makes it more frustrating [TS]

  and I think the cumulative hours is actually going to be longer of like OK sitting down to animate [TS]

  and kind of getting into the flow and then letting myself stop so I try to stretch it out [TS]

  but I think that this is just going to be. [TS]

  Part of the way that I work always that I have to kind of do the animation all in one big batch I'm not I'm not sure [TS]

  that I can stretch it out in a way that makes it easier or more pleasant so I do sympathize I mean [TS]

  and I might like you to but I do have animated sections in some of my videos and sometimes I do them [TS]

  and I do find that it is a really time intensive process and it is [TS]

  and is not pleasurable yet so I do it like I do yes I do sympathize with you in a gray [TS]

  but the other reason I often find you have to just do it in one big whack is it kind of has a momentum to it [TS]

  and it's a kind of a way I was I am what's the process for doing this and if you start to pick it up again next week. [TS]

  Sometimes it's a bit like oh what was my process for doing that and how was I admire in that [TS]

  and how was it working so sometimes you do it all in one big as well just because of the sort of the momentum [TS]

  and the [TS]

  and the work flow of it seems to work better if you just do it while you're in the zone for lack of a less do sheet. [TS]

  No I think you're totally right about that and that's one of the reasons why I suspect because I've been through. [TS]

  When the whole time I've been working on this video in particular a bit like this seems to be taking forever [TS]

  and I think it's not just the spreading it out over several days [TS]

  but I also think it is those transition costs of getting back into it OK where was I [TS]

  and I mean today I'm looking at transition costs of course you would know the cool term for it [TS]

  but you know what if anything any time you shift from one kind of task to another there there's a time period of [TS]

  ramping up. [TS]

  Yeah you know this famously comes from this whole notion that people think that they can multitask [TS]

  but actually they can't. [TS]

  One of the things that happens [TS]

  when you're multitasking is that your ability to judge how well you are doing things is impacted in a negative way. [TS]

  So you still think like oh I'm doing great work like just as if I was focusing on one thing at a time is like well [TS]

  actually no you're your very ability to judge how good your work is is impacted so you think you're doing fine you're [TS]

  doing terribly. [TS]

  But but yes every time you switch from one thing to another it takes a little while to kind of get into it [TS]

  and as we have discussed before on the podcast This is one reason why I do like to batch tasks together as much as I [TS]

  can [TS]

  and similar tasks as well so if I have an unavoidable meeting on some day I will do everything within my power to make [TS]

  sure that all of the meetings I may ever have in the next three week period if I can I will put them all together on [TS]

  that single day meeting with my accountant and like oh and I also have a dentist thing. [TS]

  Oh [TS]

  and I also have to go to the bank for something can I do all three of those on one day so I can just have a day where I'm [TS]

  out and running errands and I find that that is much more effective [TS]

  or I do all my administration work on a single day and I don't do very much else. [TS]

  I'm marveling at just how incredibly different we are again back on the exact opposite I'll be editing something [TS]

  and then I'll be home a bit bored of this so I'm going to stop for ten minutes and do my invoicing [TS]

  and then I'll be like Oh I'll look at Twitter oh oh what's doc's. [TS]

  Oh OK back to editing what I was doing and I know that silly for that. [TS]

  Any reason you say because of these kind of transition costs that I've mentioned before that I am kind of fascinated by [TS]

  people like you who are able to just work all day long even if I might make fun of the particular ways in which you [TS]

  work. I still marvel at the number of hours that you can put into something. [TS]

  Yeah but you probably also marvel at the amount of wasted time in there as well. [TS]

  Everybody everybody has wasted time [TS]

  but let's not pretend you know you on the lawn Musk's of the world aside everybody has even here one must I one of my [TS]

  my favorite tweets ever is Elan Musk. [TS]

  Now the truth is that I'm going to go to the gym but I mean I went to I hop instead. [TS]

  And like you know what really I love that you love. [TS]

  You sound so much more human now so I really I am really impressed [TS]

  and interested by people who can just work all the time and. [TS]

  I don't want people to have the false impression that I'm some kind of super productive person like I think I'm more [TS]

  productive than the average person [TS]

  but I'm also really aware that I have to do a lot of this stuff to kind of trick myself into working [TS]

  or to try to like squeeze the most amount of productivity out of my brain which is fundamentally lazy like you doesn't [TS]

  really want to do stuff and so I think that's one the reasons why a difference between you [TS]

  and me is I think that I have to think about productivity more because I am naturally much less productive than you are [TS]

  you will just naturally gravitate towards work more than I will [TS]

  and I am I'm quite envious in some ways of that fundamental trait I find an interesting statement [TS]

  and it would could be a debated statement to say that you are more productive than the average person because I mean [TS]

  you know we joke about it [TS]

  but it is also true that you know you don't you don't you're hardly flooding You Tube videos clearly your videos are of [TS]

  an exceptional quality and that's you know that that reflects the tone. [TS]

  If you put into them but you would hardly say that. [TS]

  He's like I'm ashamed to he puts so much content so if you were to describe yourself as productive What is this product [TS]

  that you are producing. [TS]

  Because other than a video every few weeks like I said a really good one but other than a video every few weeks [TS]

  and now the podcasts. You know what's one of the secret projects. [TS]

  What do you think what do you think about us productive. There's two think there's two different things here. [TS]

  Right One is the statement that I think that I'm more productive than the average person [TS]

  and I think that that is in no small part simply because the average person is her wrist prickly unproductive. [TS]

  What I'm saying here is that let's take an average of the productivity levels of everybody in the civilized portion of [TS]

  the world. I am above that average and I'm pretty well above that average Of course yes. [TS]

  But then [TS]

  when I say OK well now let's let's take a look at a different group of people like like the five of us who went to [TS]

  random acts of intelligence. [TS]

  Yeah I am definitely below the average in this much smaller group of people in terms of productivity [TS]

  and as you mention many times like Destin is probably at the top of that group I would guess that of the five of us [TS]

  and so it's like you have a particular frame of reference [TS]

  but then again destiny is one of the most productive people probably on the face of the planet in terms of looking at [TS]

  the number of things that he is able to get done. Like some people just not it not everybody can possibly be like that. [TS]

  He's also making an incredible number of babies in between all the other stuff. [TS]

  He's not only is he making loads of videos and stuff he's making humans. Yes he is. [TS]

  Justin has had a baby that didn't have the baby doesn't help to make the baby yet his wife actually did all the labor [TS]

  there of me. [TS]

  She did she she put in the work that I forgot about that I had a brief lapse in my understanding of biology there for a [TS]

  minute. Yeah I just I wanted to make sure you're really clear on that. Fraid Yeah OK. So obviously congratulations. [TS]

  But then he sends me the sends me text messages showing that he's at a monster truck rally and other stuff. [TS]

  Landowners and I find I'm saying I'm in Houston next week he just had a baby [TS]

  and I'm going to use to next week's i swear this five. [TS]

  Yeah they're they're really mostly All right so you are productive [TS]

  and they will make him pay you with all the unproductive people of the world. [TS]

  Well well no that's not what I'm saying I'm saying I'm above average. [TS]

  But yeah [TS]

  but this is also in no small part because people overestimate the great just because you think about productivity a lot [TS]

  doesn't mean you're productive. [TS]

  I do not question you are probably one of the world's leading thinkers about productivity [TS]

  but that doesn't make you productive. [TS]

  My comparison here is I think about me from several years ago how I first came across some of this stuff [TS]

  and passed me was terrible past me just awful at getting things done in any kind of organized way. [TS]

  And so that's when I think OK I think about this stuff a lot and I've tried out a bunch of stuff [TS]

  and I see what works for me and I see what works what doesn't what doesn't work for me [TS]

  and I am like I am definitely better then the me from ten years ago. [TS]

  Step out of it is you're looking at just your own improvement over time as well. [TS]

  Yeah because like any human being this is all you can do right you have to look at yourself [TS]

  and say OK what state am I in now. And are there ways that I can make myself better. [TS]

  You know from that perspective it doesn't even matter what the average level of anything is [TS]

  and in a society it's just OK Well then can you improve yourself in some way you know you just might have a different [TS]

  capability than the person next door like you know yeah yeah capacity I think it's a similar thing of like learning [TS]

  what you're good at and learning what you're terrible at [TS]

  and there's no other way that I think school is terrible at preparing people for real life like SPOILER ALERT schools [TS]

  want you to be good at everything but in the real world nobody cares. [TS]

  As if we get everything right people care that you're good at something [TS]

  and school seems to be all about mitigating weaknesses whereas I think the real world is much more about amplifying [TS]

  strength that's what gets rewarded in the actual world. [TS]

  But in school it's always like oh you have AIDS and all these classes [TS]

  but you know you got C's in these two So let's let's put all of your effort into the two classes are you getting sees [TS]

  nothing in the real world works like that. [TS]

  If they tell you you know you're doing great in these two areas do more of that. [TS]

  Figure out how to make it even better oh this thing you're not good at. [TS]

  Who cares if you don't have to be good at everything. That's how the actual world works. [TS]

  That isn't how everything works in the world. [TS]

  But take relationships for example if you're in a relationship with someone [TS]

  and there are some things you do really well [TS]

  and there are other things you do badly that are hurting your relationship your relationship doesn't improve by [TS]

  sweeping the bad parts under the carpet. [TS]

  If you've got problems with communication [TS]

  but you're really generous with your wife you can't say well I'll just give you even more presence [TS]

  and let's ignore the fact that the communication is really bad in relationships you do have to fix the weakness [TS]

  and yeah just amplify the strength that's true. [TS]

  I think in my mind [TS]

  when I was talking about that I was implicitly thinking about the working world I was thinking about like being self [TS]

  employed. But you're right with interpersonal relationships it's different but not always. [TS]

  Not always wildly different in some ways like you know you you have to accept if you're for interpersonal relationships [TS]

  with some people are just never going to change on particular things. [TS]

  That's just that's just the way it is sometimes you can't always fix everything with interpersonal relationships. [TS]

  I don't I just don't know how you know you're a parent you know where are we both are [TS]

  and I'm not I'm not quite sure we're talking about except I don't know I just felt that just felt like [TS]

  and rushing to finish the conversation [TS]

  and it was a terrible much you know as I was double down on your strength people like that that that's that's the thing. [TS]

  Do Yeah like with the productivity stuff with oh I guess we can go back to Ed to answer your other question about what [TS]

  it is that I produce you know what it is that I make. [TS]

  Yeah I make the videos and I mean now I do make the podcasts [TS]

  and I guess one of the things that I think that might just be a really slow writer compared to other people because [TS]

  that's really what I spend most of the time on is actually just writing the scripts [TS]

  and it's really rewriting the scripts and I've spoken to other people who do similar work or to similar work [TS]

  and I think it's just that I have to do many many drafts of a video to make it better and so that takes a long time [TS]

  and that for me is kind of how I'm measuring something is how much writing I was able to get done today was able to sit [TS]

  down and work through an additional draft of this video like great that's awesome [TS]

  and I do that a lot for any particular video and it just takes a while. [TS]

  So you're counting the thirty seven drafts of your script before the one that I say you're counting them as product [TS]

  and unfair and after and that's the way I look at it and from the outside. [TS]

  Yeah it's like a long time between videos because I definitely have to kill videos like there was supposed to be a [TS]

  video for January that got killed at the last minute like you know what this is isn't working [TS]

  and so that's why I like I don't have a video for January so that's the way I look and it's surprisingly I find. [TS]

  This is get a little airy fairy but I do find creative work is just different and hard in a in an unexpected way. [TS]

  I think probably the best thing to think about is stop me if I'm boring you [TS]

  but that's OK I just keep looking at your smiley face no you can't look at it look at the smiley face. [TS]

  When one of the most interesting transitions in my life from being a teacher to working for myself is that. [TS]

  When I was a teacher I had a very large number of very small projects. [TS]

  So every class that I had to teach was like a little project every homework assignment that needed to be graded was a [TS]

  little project I had a huge number of these things that I tracked in my Getting Things Done system at the time [TS]

  and I got very good at being able to accomplish a very large number of very small projects [TS]

  but the transition into being self-employed I now find myself in the exact reverse situation where as much as is [TS]

  possible I've tried to outsource various portions of my life [TS]

  or try to not do things that aren't related to the core business. [TS]

  But it leaves me with a very small number of very large projects. [TS]

  So any particular video is you know a six week project and maybe I'm dealing with two or three of those at once [TS]

  and then as you do know I always have one big secret project going on which I spend time on as well [TS]

  and that's that bag cost that we're going to pull off in the next three months [TS]

  and that is one of the one of the projects yes there are there are specific. [TS]

  OK I'll try to write out if I really feel good. [TS]

  But yes I guess I just I have found that this transition has been more difficult than I expected in going from to a [TS]

  small number of very big projects because it's not the same like with home work where I could sit down [TS]

  and say OK all I have to do is marked as one homework assignment from this one class and kind of go through it [TS]

  and like OK that little project is done and then look and see what the other project is like. [TS]

  So yeah that's this is what the learning process has been for me is trying to get better at this [TS]

  and I think I have over time I think it definitely have gotten better. [TS]

  But one of the other things to a throwback to an earlier episode of ours is that I have also gotten better at not [TS]

  living an incredibly stressed out one. [TS]

  The percent focused on work all the time life so I have been turning up the health light bulb [TS]

  and I have been turning up you know the family light bulb a little bit over time. [TS]

  You haven't been turning up the shaving light bulb you look very scruffy [TS]

  and I am really scruffy right now that that was the first thing you said to me when I came on air [TS]

  and this is this is the result of of this past week being very busy [TS]

  and where you said you might be doing the Herries that I will not be doing the how is that today if we have areas that [TS]

  I'm not sure we have today and then we never know until the end anyway. [TS]

  Speaking of small projects now that we've got that little bit of light opening banter out the way shall we do with [TS]

  follow up from the previous episode. Yeah I guess so I guess so let's look for it. [TS]

  You seem to have you seem to have although you have not prepared well for this podcast I have done nothing to prepare [TS]

  for this part you have been the main contributor to follow up items. [TS]

  So you'd better take the lead here and tell us what you got last time you spoke about You Tube half Asiri [TS]

  and oh my God it's a hard time with this half hour three I can't say it I can say it's my it's my Achilles heel so. [TS]

  So do not talk to us about cats [TS]

  and I just have I did have a couple of very quick points than the first which was we had what from my perspective was a [TS]

  horrifically boring conversation last time about the technical details of You Tube which was surprisingly well received. [TS]

  It seems like and I have a hard time judging the stuff but going through the Reddit [TS]

  and looking on Twitter it seemed like people were interested in the youtube talk I don't know did you get that feeling [TS]

  I think you apologized for it so much people were just trying to talk you back off the ledge by telling you it was all [TS]

  right. That may very well be true. That may very well be true. [TS]

  Anyway it's hard to it's hard to know what people will like [TS]

  and what people are not like that seems like people were interested. But yeah. [TS]

  Did get me to back away from the lead so we can do this pod cast again because that last exit was so terrible. [TS]

  The only little thing that I did want to mention was I was complaining about the inconsistency is with the cards [TS]

  and the way they work and yes you can listen to last episode for all those fun details [TS]

  and I got just a bunch of feedback from people on various Android devices [TS]

  and it turns out that the way cards work is different on Android devices [TS]

  and it is different on different Android devices so I got a bunch of screenshots from people showing how who the heck [TS]

  knows but it's always going to look different on Android in different spots and just so just [TS]

  when I thought things couldn't possibly be any more inconsistent with the cards. [TS]

  Turns out there's an entire ecosystem where it works just randomly apparently where the cards pop up [TS]

  and how they work and where you have to tap So thumbs up You Tube Well done on that. [TS]

  They even a even more half assed than we thought. If that's just a book. [TS]

  That's exactly right the other thing is we mentioned the MC ten thirty five which really any breakfast burger sandwich [TS]

  at McDonald's I have to admit I was pretty excited by the feedback on this one. [TS]

  Yeah do you want to describe feedback in particular what the thing was I think within minutes of the podcast going live [TS]

  pick people must've been in McDonald's when they download in the corner because within minutes of going live. [TS]

  People were tweeting us pictures of ten thirty five's and themselves in McDonald's buying these things. [TS]

  Yeah and we've heard from I don't know I have bigger audiences [TS]

  but I think at least thirty percent of it must work at McDonald's because every McDonald's employee on the planet has [TS]

  got in touch with us and told us about this secret menu. [TS]

  Sup some McDonald's employees who said yeah of course we know about it so it's totally a thing [TS]

  and then other ones have said there's no such things as a figment of your imagination you don't know what you're [TS]

  talking about so I think McDonald's needs to get its house in order here that there's not a lot of. [TS]

  Consistency on this. [TS]

  Well the inconsistency that I noticed was some employees saying oh yeah we love doing the special menu items [TS]

  and some people saying Don't you dare ever order those special menu items they're such a pain in the butt [TS]

  and we hate to do them and we will hate you for ordering them. [TS]

  So until I get really rolling the dice when you go to McDonald's [TS]

  and say you want to make ten thirty five about whether [TS]

  or not you're going to get somebody who's thrilled to do something different [TS]

  or somebody who spits on your burger patty because they hate you you just don't you don't know what you're going to get. [TS]

  But yes we did get a lot of feedback on that I do didn't want to give credit to James Morin who I believe was the very [TS]

  first person to tweet us a picture of himself eating a mic ten thirty five while listening to hello internet. [TS]

  And yes I think this must have been within thirty minutes of the podcast going live. Very impressive. [TS]

  All right wrist if I was shocked at how fast it was for this person is a time traveler or [TS]

  or he had a ten thirty five already on his phone. So always of the waiting or I get the. [TS]

  Statistically speaking there would be someone who had to make ten thirty five this is my moment. [TS]

  Although some people also tweeted us receipts so we had a time in a date stamp. [TS]

  So yes this is the funny thing with the pod cast audience growing is it's just like there's always somebody who now who [TS]

  is just stepping on a plane when they're listening to hello internet. [TS]

  It starts getting a little weird when you look at the statistics of those things [TS]

  but yeah because I kicked a cake thinking guy we've got such a jet setting audience like every single time a podcast [TS]

  comes out like twenty people say I'm just about to get on a plane is a plane crash caught on like one of these people [TS]

  that are flying so much but I guess that's just a sample. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and it's also that that's the person that you hear from right is the one who tells you all it's funny I was just stepping [TS]

  on a plane while listening to Hello. [TS]

  But [TS]

  when you start talking about tens of thousands of people listening someone somewhere is stepping on a plane what we do [TS]

  is shatter if you will. Just into the podcast and you're not going on a plane today. [TS]

  Send us a tweet of just what you want to just to say just to say hey I'm a listener [TS]

  and I'm not flying on a plane today. OK Make sure to send these tweets to Brady. That's really cool D.P. [TS]

  Grad from Bring out your hair and regrets he was one who suggested that. Excellent idea if you asked it to say T.P. [TS]

  Gray he will be twenty years this is the policy of the show is all feedback a great tweet read [TS]

  and e-mail Brady I'm saying oh they laid off all of a sudden realizing you're going to meet me for that you're going to [TS]

  your editing power here. That's a very unfair way. [TS]

  You've got another item here that says OK actually this actually does slide in quite nicely. [TS]

  Talking about tweeting me so. [TS]

  People now know that I don't follow the news who listen to the podcast for some reason people then feel compelled to [TS]

  tweet news events at me as as though they're trying to keep me informed about what's going on in the world. [TS]

  Sorry figured I realise you're just you're this ignorant guy and I try to help you try [TS]

  but it is a cultivated ignorance ignorance on purpose it's not like oh if only there was some way I could access the [TS]

  news [TS]

  but me sitting here in my house in front of the computer with my internet connection the only thing I have access to [TS]

  his Twitter yet I can't follow the Twitter news account [TS]

  but people just tweet news stories at me now I go Hey I thought you should know that this is happening. [TS]

  I'm not interested in the news stories [TS]

  but I do not want this kind of like maybe sending in the occasional piece of a Mao that I think you should say like [TS]

  right now you don't like reading e-mails but you should see this one right. [TS]

  Yes but I was tweeting tweeting random [TS]

  and will ask for a news story that me that's a fast way to get on my list so what is going to happen there. [TS]

  Let me tell you people I've got a real itchy trigger finger on that list and that's the fact. Way to get on it. [TS]

  Same thing if you treat me just to let me know that you're you know not getting on a plane tree to Brady. [TS]

  What's left what have you written Lahman you see this is where I want to go so people started tweeting me about some [TS]

  llama chase that was going on on in Arizona or something. [TS]

  I didn't quite get all the details I was just seeing the pictures and surely you must have known about them. [TS]

  The Lama the Lama the day the internet lost their mind about llamas. [TS]

  I have no I said I have no idea what you talking about that is amazing I can't believe that I know that the dress [TS]

  but I don't know about the lab so it's amazing that you don't you don't know about the llamas because they happened on [TS]

  the same day where the Internet was losing their mind about dress llama gate [TS]

  or whatever you want you want to call it I was lying on a page that day saying oh well it will get to that will get. [TS]

  But yeah so anyway people were tweeting me about the llama [TS]

  and the funny thing was is most of the tweets were saying Oh I totally understand why you don't follow the news look at [TS]

  his dumb stuff that they're covering that you know there's some guys out in Arizona trying to lasso a bunch of llamas [TS]

  in a parking lot. [TS]

  Everybody thought that I would agree with them about I'll look out for all of this is and I thought this looks awesome. [TS]

  I think you've been slow way of Jews trying to lasso down Salaam [TS]

  and I would watch that is what I got from the pictures that people were tweeting me like this look great I wish I could [TS]

  watch it live but I could. [TS]

  So it was just it was funny to have people sending me a message where they thought I would be all like you know in [TS]

  solidarity with them on this point that I could not be further from the truth. [TS]

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  I was in Dubai as I don't as I write as I said I said I was going there and I wasn't lying I did it and it was lovely. [TS]

  I don't think people doubted that you were telling the truth about how the hell you never know. [TS]

  I tell you if you ever happen to have any money in you like your wallet or your bank account [TS]

  and you want to turn into not paying money go to. [TS]

  By that that place is expensive but you get you get services and goods for your money. [TS]

  They're not just you know that's turning it into an empty wallet. [TS]

  Well yeah you get you know you do get glasses of water for like ten bucks or something crazy crazy town. [TS]

  But but it was it was it was I had a really good time. I really enjoyed it. [TS]

  Man the best thing about it is definitely the buildings are really impressive buildings you know that one cold is [TS]

  called the Burj Al Arab is the one the say that looks like a like a sail and where I stayed was right next to that [TS]

  and that was far more impressive in real life than in the pictures so you can see the picture of that sale looking [TS]

  hotel and your Mojito and it seemed like you were having a good time. [TS]

  Yes the one you go to say now is the Burj Khalifa which is the tallest building in the world and that is amazing. [TS]

  So yes that is the first time I've seen a building [TS]

  and it didn't look like it was real partly because the sky so blue as well. [TS]

  Things never look as real Wouldn't you get such a perfect sky I swear it looks like it's from Star Wars movie [TS]

  and the look it should be on you know this is a crosscut How do you say. Correct. [TS]

  Chorus on here it looks like it should be and chorus not it looked it looked unreal. [TS]

  It looks so told you didn't believe it was real when the cars are made of glass and it was so impressive. [TS]

  I didn't go up to the top on the observation deck [TS]

  or whatever I was out there I did I went Well I went as high as you can go you can go to the top it was interesting [TS]

  actually I kind of I kind of mucked up a bit but we went there were four of us and we hadn't booked ahead [TS]

  and it turns out if you poke a head and book a certain time you can get quite an affordable ticket [TS]

  but we didn't know that and I turned up and you know the communication wasn't very good [TS]

  and we said no we want to go up the building and she said Oh no problem you want to go to the town. [TS]

  And I think she was just saying you know I just thought she was going to go to the top [TS]

  but I think to the top is like an experience or something you pay for to go higher. [TS]

  Yeah we want to go to the top and then she tell us the amount of money and I kind of handed my card over and paid it [TS]

  and then when we looked at how much we just paid it was like it was a lot of money. It was a lot of money. [TS]

  You don't give me a ballpark here. [TS]

  The the thing stopping me is the fact I don't know [TS]

  but it was it was like they really don't have a word for that number [TS]

  and then I think I have to you know I have to use arrow notation that I was that was like in the IT WAS LIKE I think it [TS]

  was in the hundreds of dollars like it was a few hundred dollars it was crazy money [TS]

  and it was like he went off into a special room and they gave you a cuppa tea and you went up in a in a lift [TS]

  and you know you're a bit more away from the masses [TS]

  but you're still in a huge group of people of like sixty people so it wasn't like it was a personal trip to the top in [TS]

  a velvet elevator right. [TS]

  But but but this experience meant you did go to the higher observation deck I think it's like twenty [TS]

  or forty floors above the name in this observation deck and. [TS]

  Like any building that tall when you go well there was no building that tall but like the really tall buildings [TS]

  when you get that high. It kind of means nothing anymore you might as well be in a plane looking down at the city. [TS]

  So in that respect that wasn't the best part of it the best part of that building is completely free [TS]

  and that is just saying it from all different angles and you know seeing it from far away I'm seeing it from close up. [TS]

  Is it is an extraordinary thing and I just told buildings I love them. [TS]

  What where do you stand on the issue of tall buildings other dreadful There are four inches I can stand tall buildings. [TS]

  Then of course there are awesome. Yeah. [TS]

  Yet another example of man's domination over nature and I got a look at this there was some sand and some rocks [TS]

  and some ore in the ground. [TS]

  I built a mighty tower out of it just a miss is awesome [TS]

  and I'm all for super tall towers people who go to waste people are just trying to build the tallest skyscraper. [TS]

  I'm sorry did you not hear the words of the tallest skyscraper right. [TS]

  Whoever wants to build a taller skyscraper you go for it country just you know it's of course it's awesome. [TS]

  I've never been to Dubai. [TS]

  I love the Shard in London and I love the similar kind of thing where you can see it from so many locations [TS]

  and every time I can see it it makes me happy I just look at that guy. Mickey Mouse and I know it's so tiny. [TS]

  I know I know I'm not I'm not saying it's some huge skyscraper [TS]

  but it's the biggest building here was actually the biggest building in the European Union. [TS]

  But tall buildings are awesome. They're just great. [TS]

  What's wrong with Europe why don't they get their act together and build a proper skyscraper. They're falling behind. [TS]

  Question was how does the tolls in Europe that's disappointing the Shard is a half a kilometer is shorter than the Burj [TS]

  Khalifa of finding a Kurdish Khalifa is about eight hundred fifty meters tall [TS]

  and the Shard is three hundred six meters tall not even half. Yeah. [TS]

  Not even nearly half well maybe nearly not nearly half. [TS]

  OK now I need for comparison I know it's taller but don't know how much taller with the Empire State Building. [TS]

  And pirate state building what is your height. [TS]

  No web site I don't know the Empire State Building has an auto playing You Tube video on so classless. [TS]

  Why jump Why do you just want to look at Pavia list of buildings which has great resources on buildings. [TS]

  Yeah I know you know you know why it's just I was trying to Duck Duck Go This is the first linked article not super [TS]

  impressed. Uneven are you talking about much. Duck Duck Go is another. Alternate search engine that. [TS]

  I'm trying out but there I was like I want to like them [TS]

  but their search results are inferior that Google ones could give that [TS]

  when I go exactly what I'm doing right now this is because it really is as I said my the fourth search engine to Duck [TS]

  Duck Go and I search for something as I why these results are crappy All right now I type in Google [TS]

  and so I just added an additional step to my life here so the the tip of the Empire State Building is I was not that [TS]

  much taller. It's four hundred forty meters. [TS]

  The Empire State Building separate Skule facto Empire State blue Empire State Building [TS]

  or some They're building at their building a kilometer Hiwatt now in Saudi Arabia I think are really giving it the only [TS]

  hope and know it so you can read all about it I spent ages reading about it the other day I think it's in Jeddah. [TS]

  Maybe I mean it's ten years away [TS]

  but I have stout of it it's a way I think Bill Wells tallest building coming to Saudi Arabia. [TS]

  I follow skyscraper news on Twitter I don't I haven't seen this. I'm disappointed. [TS]

  A skyscraper in your case it is a skyscraper a news account on Twitter they just sometimes they just post awesome [TS]

  pictures of skyscrapers but they often don't. [TS]

  Yeah they often have news about what's going on in the world of skyscrapers so I follow it [TS]

  and that's the kind of new that I want. [TS]

  We're building more massive structures are more more more monuments to man's domination over nature. [TS]

  Thumbs up let's do that and look at all these pictures called Empire State Building [TS]

  and they like that building it is good it is good it's a good theory it is good [TS]

  and the other any other toll once you pay not to say and tell us that you know I saw them get hit by lightning [TS]

  when I was there but I realize that's pretty common across like all biologists by lightning but I think every man [TS]

  and his dog has a photo of people a lot in a second. I think it's rarer to go to Toronto or not see it by lightning. [TS]

  Yeah that's probably the case. [TS]

  So it does have that has the best glass floor of it on the way you like step on the glass floor [TS]

  and your brain like just when that you do it. [TS]

  Yeah yeah that would be that would be difficult to do [TS]

  and I guess the Empire State Building is the tallest building I've ever been [TS]

  and I think you can think of anything else it's been taller after I had have you been up to see it was the Sears Tower. [TS]

  I forget what it's called now the one in Chicago. [TS]

  No I've never been up to the one in Chicago which is it supposed to be called the Willis Tower now that's the actual [TS]

  name of it but it will always be the Sears Tower. Yeah. [TS]

  Sorry whoever you are Willis It's just is not going to happen so I'm trying to make Willis happen you know it's never [TS]

  going to happen. Growing up in Adelaide which has not told buildings. [TS]

  When I was growing up it was the tallest building in our life which has since been surpassed. [TS]

  But [TS]

  when I was growing up the top was good he had like this I think it's called the Grenfell tower it's just a black building [TS]

  which is probably I'm guessing. Fifteen to sixteen stories I like something ridiculous. [TS]

  Yeah but like I said on the Adelaide skyline it was this dominant thing and when your little guy [TS]

  when I was a little kid I would never go into the center of Atlanta but the C.B. [TS]

  Day I lived in the suburbs but you would say it like when you were driving towards the city or driving around [TS]

  and to me it was this mystical building [TS]

  and I had this nickname the black stump because it is that like a big black stump somewhere [TS]

  and it was always my dream to like being near it will go inside like it was amazing amazing thing. [TS]

  And then years later you know when I grew up [TS]

  and worked in Adelaide I actually worked like three buildings across from it [TS]

  and it was it was nothing I would go into every day and it was this really. [TS]

  And by that time it's funny a lot of the myths like the mythology of what was gone unlock it was not special to me in [TS]

  any way [TS]

  and yet whenever I switch into the childhood memory mode it becomes really magical again market does that make sense. [TS]

  It's it's this weird thing like the child maybe is still impressed by. [TS]

  Right at UP me is not the adult you find entirely unimpressed. Yeah but the child inside you still love that guy. [TS]

  I'm the kind of that I want to look at the black stump that I should search for Port Adelaide and black stuff [TS]

  and say what comes up. [TS]

  Adelaide black stump get a Facebook band called Black Stump Grenfell Center was the first result. [TS]

  I'm going to say if you're going to see now I've got to go to Google. Sorry Dr. It's not coming out. [TS]

  Maybe that's just what my mom called it. Yeah I'm thinkin field center. [TS]

  Oh my goodness it is even so it is even smaller than I am not sure I can find it. [TS]

  OK So I mean I'm on the maps going to go to Adelaide. [TS]

  Oh my goodness I found that hang on I want to send you this particular image. [TS]

  Are you ready are you ready for the building that as a boy blew me away. Are you ready. [TS]

  Going to send it to you here on the i Message here listen this is my fantasy building as a boy. [TS]

  This is like every boring office building in London. [TS]

  OK that is it is darker in color than the buildings that surround it. [TS]

  But otherwise you could not imagine a less through the filter. [TS]

  For me it was so imposing it was like this it was this moment it was like the Darth Vader of the skyline it was the [TS]

  tallest building [TS]

  and yeah just trying to I'm trying to looking at Adelaide I was the apple doesn't have Adelaide in three D. [TS]

  Sorry Adelaide I guess I'm not important enough for Apple to fly planes over you so I could get a sense of this [TS]

  building. Well anyway the picture is hilarious. Complex stamps. Yeah that's that's not that's not super impressive. [TS]

  Burj Khalifa very impressive isn't it. It must be apartment at the top right. [TS]

  Can we all know that high I don't even think it's apartments I think it's like business suites and things like that. [TS]

  It's got a real mixed use. It's going to hotel and it's got my Mounty hotel and it's got a commendation. [TS]

  It's got everything and it's very business that high [TS]

  and a lot of the stuff above the observation decks are also like like functional like maintenance [TS]

  and you know things to do with the running of the building. Right right. [TS]

  I'm sure I've mentioned this before [TS]

  but if I had infinite money I would buy an apartment at the top of the Shard I absolutely love that building [TS]

  and would want to live in their gigantic apartments that are up there. [TS]

  So if I had infinite money that's what I would do. [TS]

  I should put that into like a peach tree on goal if if I can end up getting a million billion dollars per video I will [TS]

  buy myself a nice apartment. That was eco then maybe it funny let me say your apartment as well. [TS]

  Yeah that yeah I'd invite you over if I had if I had an apartment in the Shard I would invite you over I would invite [TS]

  everybody over. [TS]

  You'd still be alive now and I'm still working on it and getting it right not that it's not ready for visitors. [TS]

  My billion I would love to know how much the thing that actually are. [TS]

  I downloaded all the floor plans and details about them when the Shard was first going up [TS]

  and I'm glad I did because they were good to have all that information once they sold the verb million dollars [TS]

  but I occasionally look at it like all those apartments are just so cool. [TS]

  Well that will also be handy for that high strip. [TS]

  Yes the other heist to steal the apartment in short I think you know to steal with a diamond that's kept in there [TS]

  and the secret map right here in your secret maps the secret map that reveals the location of the diamond right. [TS]

  Perfect. [TS]

  Again we will get we will get right on that [TS]

  and you know where they can find out that secret diamond is going to get the secret map I do not now know to offer the [TS]

  black stump. I wonder if there's anybody listening to this podcast in the black stump right now oh my goodness. [TS]

  If you see if you listen to hello internet even if you desist to hello instead [TS]

  and take a photograph of yourself in front of the Black stop I will read that definitely [TS]

  and I will I will heavily pressure greater rate wait it out should be well after I'm going to hear about the event if [TS]

  you could [TS]

  but you've got to it's got it you've got to be it's going to be like a contemporaneous picture so you have to be [TS]

  holding a copy of the Adelaide Advertiser from that day [TS]

  and I used to work for the ad that advertisers say I'm just also helping out with circulation because the circulation [TS]

  of plus one. Yeah but you know newspapers got to take whatever they can get these days. [TS]

  Photograph how to run out of time with the black stump in the background. [TS]

  Yuri and Yuri and I may even follow you for that. And you're really really going all in on this. [TS]

  Yeah I don't I still don't know if someone is inside the building right now listening to it really free time [TS]

  and yet I mean that's that's that's ridiculous if that's happening then you're the person [TS]

  and her name is Sarah that's going for freaked out right now you know will be even freaky is if someone is [TS]

  and they quote him and you didn't use a name. Your Mr jets. [TS]

  Anyway And that's of this and that's complete and utter ridiculousness there. [TS]

  So you were in Dubai last week [TS]

  and now you are in San Francisco I believe as I am I am speaking to you from my video room at the Mathematical Sciences [TS]

  Research Institute in Berkeley and your home of number file. Yes So you were. [TS]

  You say that more than maybe because I think it's a funny phrase I don't know why. [TS]

  Something about that is trying to be really funny. [TS]

  There are a lot of number of file people that's where I am and all is well. [TS]

  The this I want to show you a few stories like they're very they're they're pretty humble brag. [TS]

  You know but but then also what form could be better than this. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  but they're also they also just interesting social situations that happens as a result of making You Tube videos [TS]

  and I want to see how you would have reacted or what suggestion do you have in these situations. [TS]

  So it's it's the first I had to do with being recognized now. [TS]

  I don't get recognized to hold up you know partly because you know. Now video isn't that popular. [TS]

  They're not that big and also you know in very many of them. [TS]

  Right so you know I don't think I have a particularly recognizable face but I mean enough of them [TS]

  and I do enough for people to occasionally recognize me [TS]

  and that was especially likely if I meet somewhere where there's a very high concentration of nerdy people I don't mean [TS]

  to interrupt you here. [TS]

  But yeah for a while my dad was watching a number of file videos and he thought that you were James Graham [TS]

  and he was very he was very confused for a little while a few people think that because James was in so many of the [TS]

  early number father years especially they think he is number five. [TS]

  Yeah I guess they know that Grace doing a podcast with a guy that makes number five so writing in there as it might my [TS]

  dad made some comment to me about how he was O'Grady's voice and [TS]

  and the way he looks just don't don't match up at all it took me a long time to figure out that he wasn't talking about [TS]

  you he was talking about James [TS]

  and I care very much so I wonder if many people one of James has people come up to him saying you Brady Haran. Anyway. [TS]

  Anyway it doesn't happen to me very much [TS]

  but it does occasionally happen if I'm somewhere where there's a lot of nerdy people. [TS]

  So yes it is slightly more likely to happen [TS]

  when I'm lurking around math department buildings economics buildings at a place like Berkeley. [TS]

  Yeah I would say like Berkeley might be an epicenter for nerds like nerd flux density is quite high. [TS]

  Yeah so it doesn't it doesn't help it still doesn't happen very often [TS]

  but it's happened a couple of times on this trip and the first one isn't a fan. [TS]

  People do this more often than you think. They come up here and they say your Brady Haran. What do you say to that. [TS]

  Are you asking for advice from. [TS]

  Yeah I am the worst person to ask this advice so if someone came out [TS]

  and said Your C G P gray What am I supposed to say to that. [TS]

  Like like it's not because that would be fair enough because you know I think maybe you look a bit like that [TS]

  or like just telling me how I am. They've said like a weird thing. [TS]

  Another put me into a situation where I have no other option [TS]

  but to say a weird thing back which is usually yes yes I am and that's life [TS]

  and that's quite often the end of the conversation. [TS]

  And so other than just the two of you just walk away at that point that would then they just stand there [TS]

  and suddenly they've put the onus on me to do something [TS]

  and then I usually say something like who you are what you name and I start and then questions about themselves [TS]

  and like suddenly there's a complete and utter stranger who I'm like asking all about themselves [TS]

  and that Anyway I don't think that's a good conversation starter to walk up to someone to just tell them what their [TS]

  name is right. [TS]

  But yet that doesn't I would not receive that well yeah I don't mind I love you know it's rare enough that I actually [TS]

  like people coming up to me and saying you know it's a nice ego boost [TS]

  and it's nice to make someone who you know watch the videos because they are really important to me. [TS]

  But just that's a that's a weird thing. [TS]

  That's a weird thing to say [TS]

  and it's not a criticism of the people who say it's just a I don't know I don't know what I. [TS]

  I would say but do you have a recommended approach. [TS]

  I think I think asking if I'm if I'm Brady is a good thing to ask because you know you can you can never be sure it's [TS]

  not like it's Tom Cruise just went up and said are you Tom Cruise. [TS]

  That would probably be quite weird but I think asking how you broke you know. [TS]

  Anyway anyway and the [TS]

  but that doesn't seem like it's much better because then you say yes I am which is the same response that you've [TS]

  mentioned before and then you have it right but there is that then but then [TS]

  but then I feel like the onus is back on them like a conversation then goes on to them because now they've had their [TS]

  information confirmed it's time for them to like ping pong. They serve you hit back and now if you call them a whore. [TS]

  Yeah I don't know if this feels that way. [TS]

  Anyway this is a minor quibble I had a I had a more interesting one happened to me that a couple of days after [TS]

  and there's a little shuttle bus that runs from the center of the university campus into town it's probably a five [TS]

  minute drive. I got on this bus and this this guy he like he looks at me quizzically. [TS]

  And you can tell he thinks obviously he thinks he recognizes me right. [TS]

  And obviously most likely from the videos because we don't know each other personally but it gives you that look [TS]

  when you look at someone like I know I know that person and he squints intense he's headed it sideways [TS]

  and I'm thinking OK he's either now just going to ignore me or he's going to come up and say you already have it. [TS]

  Anyway I sit and I have no way to say it other than basically next to him by one say it with an empty seat between us. [TS]

  There's something that's going to happen here and he looks over at me again and and then he turns to his girlfriend [TS]

  and starts whispering and saying something. [TS]

  Last supercell you know well well they're not particularly sober but then then he pulls out his phone. [TS]

  Unlike starts calling up a lot of my videos and like Googling me and looking for pictures of me [TS]

  and stuff like that we can watch it with Guy Google you in front of you. [TS]

  I despair and it's really really awkward because I don't know what I'm supposed to say. [TS]

  Now I can't look at him because if I look at him I'm really curious I want to see what videos he's looking at [TS]

  and what pictures he's found because I'm just curious but I can't look because if he then looks at me [TS]

  and catches me looking at him looking at me. [TS]

  Analogy is really awkward it was asking lightly awkward before that so I'm kind of now just kind of looking away [TS]

  but because I'm a bit curious I'm trying to have sneaky glances at my phone to see what he's looking at [TS]

  and then he's having sneaky glances back at me to see if like I am like you know the guy right here he's holding up he [TS]

  holding up a picture of you and I think he's trying to be subtle about it as well but I've clocked what's going on [TS]

  and if you buy or what that funny it's so weird and then like [TS]

  but I don't know what part of me thinks you know because I can and Ted him and say Yes yes it's me. [TS]

  But also because then what if I did that and he that's not what he was looking up or like [TS]

  or he was just checking if he's alive it is body hair and I hate that guy he's such a task. [TS]

  Probably great as a podcast with him right. [TS]

  So I say I don't know what to do something and then like and then not the bus trip comes to an end [TS]

  and I get off the bus and I don't know whether I should sort of run away quickly [TS]

  or I should go slowly to give him a chance to say hello because you know I'm not people saying hello like I said. [TS]

  Then he's put his phone back in his pocket and he watched me go off and but never did anything. [TS]

  If you're that guy that was on the bus say hello next time say hello I don't mind. [TS]

  I was I once I once got on a plane with my wife and I I like the window I say Sorry sir [TS]

  and I want you to see your lover so. [TS]

  My wife usually lets me have it so I had the window I say and then she had the one next to me [TS]

  and then the guy on the aisle. Well OK the window seat is better if it's between the window seat in the middle seat. [TS]

  Obviously the window seat is better. Yeah yeah OK I didn't realize that was the comparison here. [TS]

  So that when they say she had the middle one and there was a third one and the Goddess and the I O. [TS]

  Like just the plane was started to take off. Leaned over and said and he and Brady Haran. [TS]

  I really love all these idiots and luckily it was only like a two hour flight [TS]

  or something for he spent the whole flight talking talking to me over and I thought I think. [TS]

  We didn't swap seats for some reason. I don't know why. [TS]

  Just like most of love that I think what happened I think she pretended to be asleep. So yeah. [TS]

  Anyway one and one other quick thing that can happen as a result of doing the job that we do [TS]

  and again I want to get your advice. [TS]

  I didn't get your advice on what I should have done the bus and sense that you have none. [TS]

  I just it was just weird thing that would just be really weird. Plain generic. [TS]

  What would you do if the person sitting next to you on a bus was Googling what to see G.P. [TS]

  Going to look like and looking for pictures of you and things like that instead of watching your videos [TS]

  and I would almost certainly just get off the bus no matter where the stop was that's that's what I would do if you [TS]

  have a car going to avoid this situation as fast as possible and I know that I know that you are Mr O. [TS]

  How do you know you're very friendly guy and you want people to come up and say hello to you [TS]

  and I am not that person that it is not that I don't appreciate having an audience of people who might know me [TS]

  but it's just that I am not. [TS]

  If I'm out and about in the world I am rarely receptive to strangers coming up and saying hello to me [TS]

  and it is super weird if people know. [TS]

  Know who you are [TS]

  and you don't know who they are I just would not presumably you'd never get that other than something that is that it [TS]

  is known you are going to be at. Like if it's not an event that it's known say G.P. [TS]

  Guys they're like random acts or some You Tube environment presumably you don't get that in the straight. [TS]

  Yes I am I am fortunate enough that I have never had someone just randomly come up to me [TS]

  and so my thought is it's a good way that that has not occurred. [TS]

  However since we have started the podcast in particular there have been a few scenarios where I am pretty sure that [TS]

  someone is trying to place my voice Where are just just like you said you can see when someone's looking at you [TS]

  and they're trying to figure out oh I know this person. [TS]

  Yeah I have occasionally like you know getting a coffee or at a restaurant or something [TS]

  and you can tell like someone is listening to you and trying to place it [TS]

  but no one has yet been able to place it which is really how things got [TS]

  or if they have if they have been able to place it they just pretend that they happened which is like oh what a relief. [TS]

  Either way it's good. So yeah I'm just I don't know. [TS]

  I've mentioned before like I have to spin up a certain part of social part of my brain for this pod cast [TS]

  and I feel like I'm just not ready to meet strangers walking around [TS]

  or just living my normal life so that's why I'm the person to ask for advice. [TS]

  I had one other minor problem and another of these first well you cheapen problems [TS]

  and this is one that has done me more about how famous you are. I cannot emphasize how rare this is like it's not. [TS]

  But anyway it's funny it's happened just happened yesterday so it's on my mind [TS]

  but this last thing is a bit more your sphere. [TS]

  I use the Twitter up on my siren for which you can judge me in condemning whatever [TS]

  but it's just the way life is turned loose [TS]

  and there are certain things about the Twitter app that that that I don't like that much about the design [TS]

  and one is that it's very easy to follow. Someone without meaning to. [TS]

  Luke and I followed someone who was just a viewer or someone who had probably had acted male made some comment [TS]

  and was in a list of people I was looking at and I had accidently followed this person. [TS]

  Yeah I know I know what you mean I know what you mean. [TS]

  Yeah yeah I pressed a little plus person sign away and it is too easy [TS]

  when looking at someone's profile to accidentally hit the follow button you don't even have to be looking at their [TS]

  profile. [TS]

  You just could be looking at that tweet and start following them I think really without them [TS]

  but yeah I know what to talk about it in anyway many of my dealings I've done on a daily [TS]

  or it's too easy to accidentally click and I follow it like oh no I just I just want to see who this person was. [TS]

  Yeah right whatever. [TS]

  Whatever happened I started following this person and didn't realize it [TS]

  and then they tweet tweeted something a while later. [TS]

  Basically along the lines of Oh my God I can't believe number files following me this is the best thing that's ever [TS]

  happened to me and they were really really deeply happy and they made this happiness very very public [TS]

  and very they really carried on about it. What do I now do what you want to follow them. You can't. [TS]

  That's almost like that's that's almost like someone coming I was saying it's nice to meet you [TS]

  and punching them in the face you cut and follow someone immediately after they've said OK then you mute them forever. [TS]

  We need them forever is your advice. [TS]

  Well my actual advices you on follow because if you don't you didn't want my actual advice [TS]

  and so I'm now ratcheting it down and trying to find something that you might do [TS]

  and so I would suggest you mute them forever so if you actually followed some schoolgirl that love C.D.P. [TS]

  Great videos and cheer Oh my God I'm so happy for me he's my biggest educational hero and he chose to follow me [TS]

  and this is maybe really happy and my puppy dog died yesterday but everything's OK now because they followed me. [TS]

  You would then go oh I didn't realize I'd done that. Oh I like this scenario. So it was really good. [TS]

  Her puppy dog tied house Yeah and you've taken away the pain by following right. [TS]

  I might I mean I might or might give that a week and that I don't follow [TS]

  or that I know for a fact that I have I have done that [TS]

  and at least once someone has commented to me they said something like That's really weird C.D.P. [TS]

  Go followed me for three minutes or so and that has happened but not not was like oh my puppy dog just died [TS]

  and all of my problems are now gone because of this thing [TS]

  and I'm not going to have this person on my Twitter timeline forever that's for sure and even if you mute them [TS]

  and say oh but they're still on my list of followers I go through [TS]

  and I try to prune the people I follow quite regularly [TS]

  and so what I have to always pass over I go right here the guilt trip that I'm going to just live with for the rest of [TS]

  the time that I have a Twitter account. Now eventually they're going to get unfollowed. That's the way that works. [TS]

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  and that is plane crash going to hang on this. This calls for an opening of the can of Dr Pepper. X. In this ep. [TS]

  Difficult a playing card is brought to you by Dr Perper what is with the Dr Perper they do I not know about the [TS]

  sponsorship it sounds like of quite lucrative I have tried to deal with them. [TS]

  Yeah I was hoping you would find that I thought that was subtle enough but surprisingly it was not. [TS]

  Living makes me worry about you opening up the can of generic brand name soda isn't real like you're really you're [TS]

  really settling in for the long haul. That's exactly right. Let me pull up a chair let me pull my put my feet up. [TS]

  We're going to get out a nice drink and get my cigar [TS]

  and now let me tell you all my plane crash stories with a nice leisurely. [TS]

  If I'm going to light a pipe and have a red setter sitting by my feet. Right right. [TS]

  What am I going to get to hear about a plane crash corner. [TS]

  I didn't want to do a plane crash corner and I didn't want to do one last episode either until you stole it. [TS]

  I did not steal it. It was still your plane crash corner. I promise you I will never mention it again. [TS]

  Well anyway I didn't particularly want to do it [TS]

  and also it's I think people need to realize like if a plane crashes that doesn't automatically mean we can talk about [TS]

  it on the podcast like life. [TS]

  Like that's not what we do we're not like you know we're not like the pod cast of record for plane crashes [TS]

  but so many things happened that I thought we need to talk about it. [TS]

  Let me teach there are four incidents I want to bring up now for four [TS]

  and I'm going to bring up each of them hopefully with some kind of reason to bring them up other than just to say they [TS]

  happened because I was boring. [TS]

  The first one is a plane skidding off the end of the runway at La Guardia [TS]

  and what happened during the week no one was injured. [TS]

  The reason I want to bring this one up isn't because of the plane crash because of weather [TS]

  and that's an interesting thing I'm finding about the U.S. [TS]

  Obviously this this happened in a really snarly environment [TS]

  and I'm saying all this stuff about all the snow on the East Coast of the U.S. [TS]

  At the moment [TS]

  and it's could not be any more different from the American experience I'm having here in San Francisco where every day [TS]

  is magnificent sunshine and like shorts and T. [TS]

  Shirts and all these people are meeting here at the mass Institute has just flown over from the East Coast [TS]

  and all the weather was so bad I got snowed in at my airport [TS]

  and this is an amazing thing about America that not many other countries I think have this incredible like diversity of [TS]

  weather in the one country. It's a strange things like T.V. [TS]

  and Especially California weather is amazing gray but it is really good every day. [TS]

  Californian in the world make sure that everybody from New York knows about. Let let let's tell you about our weather. [TS]

  Even even when you don't care they still. [TS]

  Everyone from California will always tell you about the weather is a true thing that I like. [TS]

  I feel stupid because I keep getting in Texas. [TS]

  And Mike I'm amazed at the weather and I said to the taxi driver Well I was not a great day today [TS]

  and they'll look at me like an idiot because it's just like that every day like oh my goodness the sky is blue [TS]

  and the sun's out. Nella Yeah well the San Francisco get cold. [TS]

  Now it does and today was actually quite a bit overcast but but even San Francisco is really good [TS]

  and San Francisco is the bad weather of California right. Yes that's the worst part as far as I can here. [TS]

  So it's only weather What is it what is the thing. [TS]

  Your comment here is that [TS]

  when you have a country that spans a continent there's different weather that was yelling out yeah I just thought you [TS]

  should know that. Thank you. [TS]

  That's really interesting I was I was one of two hundred two years I'm trying to go through each plane crash [TS]

  and have another point to make about other than a plane crash happened. OK work with me. [TS]

  Yes I'd like a joint venture to Spartacus you not understand the difference. [TS]

  I guess my question is did the the guard is the airport that is right on the water. [TS]

  How close is this private plane to going into the water because I was alone in and out of La Guardia a lot [TS]

  and that's that's. Clutch put your seat when you're landing kind of airport I mean those runways are crazy. [TS]

  Right on the edge you know you're a that's a lie one of them I do not want to know that California has great weather [TS]

  which I've never heard before. So are you saying you want more about the crash itself. [TS]

  I just because I happen to know this airport very well it makes me really happy. [TS]

  It is progress as a joint venture and I'm trying to ask follow up questions and trying to find a picture of it now. [TS]

  I can't remember what happened. People can look at the picture. Let's not get let's not get bogged. [TS]

  OK And the other one of the other time I've only time I ever had a question. [TS]

  But any plane crash the next one is a similar incident I think it was a Turkish client I'm not even listening to lining [TS]

  up. [TS]

  There was a Turkish plane that also had a coming off the runway no one dead crashed at Katmandu which is always of [TS]

  interest to me because of how much I love the Poland having gone to Katmandu Airport many times so many flights to go [TS]

  to Mount Everest [TS]

  and the reason I'm bringing this one up is I'm imagining is it is another dent at my attempts to get you to one day [TS]

  come to Mt Everest with me to base camp. Am I right about that. [TS]

  Well I think this is so far out of the realm of my consideration I didn't even realize this is a campaign of yours. [TS]

  Well it's early days. It's very early days but I'd love to I'd love to get some of you guys to come down to base camp. [TS]

  Spoiler alert there's never going to happen in a million years is absolutely impossible. [TS]

  I can't conceive of any reason I would ever go to base camp in the fall. It's very far away. [TS]

  It doesn't seem like there's a nice hotel there. [TS]

  There's some decent ones on the way they do the last minute on the way there is very different from their journey you [TS]

  had me in the green ones for a few nights two or three nights. [TS]

  OK [TS]

  but I don't have to be in green ones any nights now there is a price to be paid for saying amazing things are you not willing [TS]

  to pay the price. [TS]

  Well I can't count Everest's don't tell me you can look at a photo of her [TS]

  and you say no no I'm not I'm not that's not that's not actually what I'm trying to do. I said I was a traveler. [TS]

  OK So there's this. Y.A.Y. Convince me to go to Mt Everest base camp. [TS]

  Like what what do you what do you want to gain out of this well. [TS]

  I'll once again saying you have a great experience that would give me pleasure. [TS]

  OK if you want to see me have a great experience. [TS]

  I think probably taking me to Mount Everest in the Paul is a terrible idea. [TS]

  I'm actually I will at the end of this month be going on a trip and I'm going to be going to Las Vegas. [TS]

  That will probably be a great experience. If you want to come to Las Vegas with me sometime. That would be great. [TS]

  It's different you know. [TS]

  And in thirty years you know going to say remember that time I had a soda [TS]

  and a hot dog in Las Vegas you know going to remember that you have a great time and you're right to do it [TS]

  but sometimes you gotta do things that and I and I I believe [TS]

  and I've even seen it from you if you get dragged out of your comfort zone it's good for you you enjoy it you just need [TS]

  to be yanked out of it you know I decide when I leave my comfort zone [TS]

  and yeah i knowledge that you don't want to spend every every single day just living like oh boy everything is just [TS]

  perfect just the way I want it. [TS]

  You do need stuff that that's different but in the fall is a big ask I'm going to fly to Nepal. You know I don't. [TS]

  I'd like to fly across the Atlantic Ocean [TS]

  and you know that I imagine that you have to take the tiny planes like the one that almost killed you [TS]

  and I didn't almost killed me it was fine. It it did Q so brightly that we're not lighter right. [TS]

  Yeah that's I mean account that is almost killed you. OK OK that's my book. [TS]

  That's close enough so I didn't realize it was a campaign of yours [TS]

  but I there may be other things that you can get me to go see [TS]

  and I think that the Paul is one of the ones it's probably the you're not going to get some good bang for buck out of [TS]

  that one. [TS]

  You my what if I get dressed and then Henry [TS]

  and they are going to ask us to come along see that more convincing of everybody going except me that is like. [TS]

  No I guess I'm just a sad monkey who's sitting at home that's a bit different if that's the case [TS]

  and I say yeah I see my in anti-Semitic I just need to get some people you like more than me you know it's not that I [TS]

  like everybody the same. But it is like oh the the influence is cumulative. [TS]

  I was like oh OK there's more people here now there's more of a reason to go what if what if I can convince your wife [TS]

  to come with me. We then come to you who would never forgive my wife to get with you. [TS]

  So yeah I think I think she seems like a good sport there is no way you would get my wife to go with you to Nepal. [TS]

  Critique of religion and the situation in which you [TS]

  and my wife are travelling to Nepal together on your own is also a situation was like well I'm probably going to stay [TS]

  back here and file the divorce papers. I think I don't think this is this is a good strategy either. [TS]

  It will come back to this I'm going to sound like I'm going to do some negotiating with the other guys to get me there. [TS]

  We're doing random acts of intelligence base camp EDITION. [TS]

  Yeah yeah but I shouldn't have said that this is going to hear that nonstop organizing I know [TS]

  and you hear that within twenty minutes here with a book till the floods and everything. [TS]

  I've spoken to I've spoken to a guy base camp and he said he can organize a Swiss. [TS]

  Yeah hell I don't have one of those companies that set up gigantic tents for outdoor events like other already flying [TS]

  government there are five ninety Sherpas right now though it's going to be a plane crash corner now we don't I said [TS]

  and that's to add for the stone of the fifty piano in there you know if you're right I just sort of. [TS]

  Worth mentioning that because of the I think it's the one year anniversary of this M H three seventy. [TS]

  Malaysia Airlines disappearing plane thing that put a Malaysian government put out their big report on it today [TS]

  and you can read it and a great link to it in the show nights and I would recommend not reading this one. [TS]

  What I put in the show notes if you don't even recommend reading it just yeah OK it's a bit boring. [TS]

  They don't do as well as N.T.S.B. They have this to the masses of the plane crash reports say.. [TS]

  But it's worth maybe it's worth reading so that you can compare their style of plane crash reporting to the N.T.S.B. [TS]

  I just have to I just have to interject here. Yeah I love that you love this stuff. [TS]

  I just I just want to be clear on this. He couldn't stop looking at going is not my favorite section. [TS]

  I love how into this you are too late. [TS]

  You know what we have is it going to be like the style of this one is not of good will be like you know nothing [TS]

  but a thumbs up from me. They were clearly trying to be like the N.T.S.B. [TS]

  With their I do it is always been a frustration of mine the way that bureaucracy [TS]

  and government organizations sterilize language and you know police were always the master of it [TS]

  and you want to get a cool quote from a policeman via a newspaper article. And instead of saying you know I say. [TS]

  The alleged offender decamped in an easterly direction instead of saying the burglar ran away that way [TS]

  and plane crash plane crash reports are really good that they are really good at sterilizing things that are completely [TS]

  extraordinary. But anyway this is a this was a this was a one of A and N.T.S.B. [TS]

  Report and I don't think they quite correct it and value little procedure not to link it them. [TS]

  Still an amazing mystery. [TS]

  I did read something about that crash today actually that made me wonder what you would think [TS]

  and that was I was reading about. [TS]

  Some relatives who still believe and I [TS]

  and of course we can understand why they would believe this that maybe the plane was hijacked and taken to an island [TS]

  and everyone still alive and they're being held ransom or something and I know that's really impossible. [TS]

  But worst ransom ever. If nobody hears about it. Yeah of course there are terribly organized. [TS]

  You can see has someone clings to clings to hope if that if a loved one of yours was on the plane that went missing I [TS]

  mean you're the rational guy. [TS]

  Are you someone who would be capable of clinging to that kind of hype [TS]

  or would you be the super rational guy that's like it's all over. Amazing. [TS]

  I mean here's the thing I would hope that I would be capable of being rational. [TS]

  But this is exactly the kind of situation that is very difficult to be rational under so yeah I can I can easily [TS]

  imagine that that I would irrationally cling to an incredible long shot because that's just that's a very human thing [TS]

  to do. Like this is when people do under those circumstances. [TS]

  So you know it's it's a it's like hypothetical situations it's super easy to give the correct answer [TS]

  when you're sitting comfortably in a chair somewhere [TS]

  but I think that ignores how people actually react under difficult circumstances [TS]

  and losing a loved one in an ambiguous way definitely counts as a very different difficult circumstance that you can't [TS]

  expect people to react rationally to all the time. [TS]

  Last plane crash and I I'm really just praising this one to see if you heard about it you know I heard about all this. [TS]

  Yeah I know about this one this is the fourth one I have that this was impossible to miss on Twitter. [TS]

  Hell Hal had it up to it because you've been on Twitter a lot lately say certainly have you have now I saw a bunch of [TS]

  people even tweeting me about this one but all you have to mention the Harrison Ford did you then go [TS]

  and look it up like if you looked it up and read about it [TS]

  or I know literally nothing about it I just saw people tweeting me about it. [TS]

  You want is there anything interesting to know. [TS]

  I guess Harrison Ford is in a plane crash [TS]

  but you find this is amazing to me though that you know this happened someone said to you. [TS]

  Harrison Ford who I know you like right love Star Wars. [TS]

  You're like Indiana Jones I'm imagining you like Blade Runner you know this is this is an actor of some import. [TS]

  This is someone who has is a is a figure in your life where you know you have to admit you know this is a someone who's [TS]

  part of your childhood in your upbringing. I have you know found in his movies. Yes Yeah. [TS]

  So he's an interesting as far as celebrities go. [TS]

  Hayes's he's as close to an interesting celebrities they could be for you I would imagine. [TS]

  No I wouldn't I wouldn't say that all who were with him. [TS]

  I think of you on Musk within the plane now that doesn't count. That why doesn't that count. [TS]

  Well I'm talking about frivolous celebrities not people are actually doing stuff. [TS]

  OK OK all of that is after all of that all of that aside you were telling me that you became aware that a famous person [TS]

  who plays hand said I had a plane crash was in a plane crash and you didn't think I might look that up [TS]

  and like go to Google. Duck duck. Bang or whatever that thing is you're talking about. Dr Lama. [TS]

  You didn't go and have a look just like oh that's interesting. [TS]

  Oh I wouldn't mind reading a couple of sentences on that you just saw that [TS]

  and thought back to back to whatever whenever I saw it on Twitter I saw enough things in a short period of time where [TS]

  people the relevant information was conveyed to me. [TS]

  Harrison Ford is in a plane crash and he's fine and he was he was in a stable at a hospital or something. [TS]

  We're saying you don't know anything about it. [TS]

  Tell me what your imagination is what do you imagining happened to tell me what you think. [TS]

  Like you've just said to me OK pray tell me what happened. You're humoring me. [TS]

  What do you think I'm about to say happened. Well I'm imagining now. [TS]

  I may have the celebrity wrong but I thought Harrison Ford was like well known already for having a pilot's license [TS]

  and that he was he volunteered in some rescue scenario a few years ago so I vaguely remember this on the interview [TS]

  because I know how weird Would it be to be rescued. [TS]

  And it turns out it's Harrison Ford flying the plane so I'm just imagining it's some very small private aircraft that [TS]

  he was flying for pleasure that had some kind of mechanical problem. That's that's my guess is that far off. [TS]

  No that's pretty much on the money. Well area. [TS]

  OK so it was like a World War two He sent a replica plane the only interesting thing is he had some problem [TS]

  and he he kind of half crash landed half safe landed on a golf course on the fairway of a golf course [TS]

  and then people playing golf all rushed and rescued him. So there's some pretty cool footage and photos. [TS]

  But now you can. Too much on the money. Well there we go. [TS]

  He needs the news [TS]

  when greatest knows it naturally out of all of the celebrities who could possibly be in a plane crash this is the only [TS]

  one who I have some dim knowledge they fly planes. [TS]

  John Travolta flies like proper commercial jets just in his spare time. [TS]

  Yeah I think he's got like a figure like you know I don't know if it's a bowing [TS]

  but he's got like a huge he can fly like a lioness. [TS]

  He was an ambassador for Qantas for a while and I am I really was a pier Yes that's right. [TS]

  Harrison Ford was involved in the rescue of a lost hiker in Wyoming [TS]

  and sometimes got a helicopter license to say it was a helicopter job you already know it's a belt morrow seven [TS]

  underway that is his helicopter that is a helicopter. [TS]

  Hey you know I think he's had I think he's had three crashes now all three emergencies of note. [TS]

  Well you know someone should be counting up all those points on his licence and take away his ability at some point [TS]

  but what I'm really pleased to see that I think I'm impressed. There's nothing to be impressed by here. [TS]

  I'm still a bit proud of make any sense. I just feel a bit happy. [TS]

  Maybe it's because I'm still looking at that huge smiling face of yours. [TS]

  I'm going to take a screen grab of this just V.A. So that I can show you what I've been looking at the whole point. [TS]

  You should save this [TS]

  and just look at it every time we record a podcast so I'm going to make it a picture of you that comes up a lot [TS]

  when you text [TS]

  or a phone like it's going to be my my I kind of you know you know whatever you want to do man you know what if you [TS]

  know what image do you have come up when you get a message from me. [TS]

  And at the moment I had thought the gray symbol you know you see to be a great symbol. [TS]

  Well I have I use that picture where you're holding Audrey the very first picture that you sent me. [TS]

  Yeah one that even you know the one that I just I just cropped it so it's just your face hasn't poetry [TS]

  and there I sent it to you but that's what you look like on my contact book. [TS]

  I cannot work for any of us like that's a lot like my Twitter my Twitter avatar. [TS]

  Yeah I think I'm going to twitter out of time I'm going to send you this picture that I've been looking at for help [TS]

  because I want to hear your reaction. OK Are you ready. [TS]

  I'm reading obviously the I'm sorry listeners obviously are going to get to see it is for obvious reasons [TS]

  but there's gray that is a terrible photograph. But look how happy you know that is that is a horrifying photograph. [TS]

  As you should not have my picture in your contact work that really annoy you if I do I just don't think that's good for [TS]

  you is like I would not want to look at that all the time. It's terrible. OK If your contact book. [TS]

  I'll stick with the gray symbol I'm used to it now [TS]

  and there is something nice about you just being this faceless soulless icon rather than a human [TS]

  and everyone else has a face and then I just have this black [TS]

  and white symbol that talking to me this is a hoax from space. Tell me when I have to recall the product. It's perfect. [TS]

  Drugs I think those are just about right. [TS]

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  We get lots and lots of suggestions from listeners of things we should talk about which we appreciate and to look at [TS]

  and mostly ignore ignored a million suggestions today. [TS]

  Everybody wanted to talk about the dress which I guess we did mention offhandedly. [TS]

  Yeah but we're not talking about the dress. Let me read by the way let me read you this email I got to number four. [TS]

  It's quite common but this one for some reason this one tickled me. [TS]

  It says I believe I've come up with a proof of the Riemann Hypothesis. [TS]

  However I can't seem to get it reviewed or published used as fact I'm not a P.H.D. [TS]

  In mathematics do you have any recommendations on how to publicize my proof. I love your videos by the way. Thank you. [TS]

  What should I do about this is this is the for those who don't know the Riemann Hypothesis is like the holy grail of [TS]

  mathematics and that is the that's the I mean how can you explain that that's the that's the. [TS]

  The most crucial thing in all of mathematics [TS]

  and if that gets proven as well changing like I don't know I'm with the Riemann Hypothesis of my head. [TS]

  It's quite hard to explain actually but that's one of the things I know I have looked this up several times [TS]

  and then I just forget. I'll send you an excellent number five video all about it but as a wash. [TS]

  I don't like what was the thing all right just slides out of your mind. [TS]

  Yeah it is a bit out there but I did like that is just someone to say like it's written in a really deep. [TS]

  Usually when I get an email like this it's followed by a page after page after page of symbols and stuff [TS]

  but disguised as written just like he's just like he's saying you know do you want me to order that pates I'll see you [TS]

  on Tuesday on by the way I've solved the Riemann Hypothesis. [TS]

  Like a list of the casualness of it [TS]

  but that's not what we're talking about we're talking about Southern Africa I totally lost the thread of that what was [TS]

  going You gotta keep up with me you know I've got this I've got the Selectric brain is that amazing you know popping [TS]

  all over the place and you going to keep up. [TS]

  Yeah I've just got all these these rusty old gears in my brain [TS]

  and I guess I'm this this dynamic person who's just full of ideas [TS]

  and like you know I mean it's quite possible I will solve the Riemann hypothesis before this broadcast is over just [TS]

  just in the boring moments between sentences when you strike. That's that's how my brain works right. [TS]

  But getting back to this I think I think to whatever I don't even know what's going on the more the something in this [TS]

  Dr Pepper Dr Pepper the something in the Dr Perper Basically I find the I really hope I'm getting paid for it. [TS]

  It's got to put in there where you just heard from getting married. [TS]

  Anyone want any while you're this like take the money but for God's sake I hope you get a cut. [TS]

  On the mouse I can't name check this person [TS]

  but for once we're going to talk about something that was suggested because I thought it was a good suggestion [TS]

  and this person suggested that we talk about going to Mars. [TS]

  And one of the reasons they thought it would be an interesting thing to discuss with you in particular is is the How to [TS]

  by whether or not we should be so preoccupied with the idea of sending humans to mouse over whether [TS]

  or not with you know robots the way they should humans even apply to go to Mass or could you have a clever. [TS]

  Yeah that was nice I just thought of that just in terms of some sign that this is you know I just I don't know. [TS]

  Anyway like so I was really curious about where you stand on the idea of human exploration of Mars. [TS]

  I'll be clinging to the old fashioned days of Apollo and does it make more sense to send super advanced robots [TS]

  and artificial intelligence or does it even does even Gray I think there's merit to sending humans. Your thoughts. [TS]

  Place huge for me to open up on this one. You can stop. [TS]

  OK So I think there are there are two separate questions here [TS]

  and the first one is just a question of what we are trying to learn stuff about the solar system [TS]

  and the history of the planet like basically a scientific inquiry question sort of data gathering right. [TS]

  We want to know stuff about Mars we want to know stuff about the solar system and no doubt about it. [TS]

  Hands down a view if you want to get the most amount of scientific data per dollar spent. [TS]

  It seems like robots are obviously the way to go. [TS]

  Or you can get robots to Mars much more cheaply than you could possibly get humans to Mars. [TS]

  So in it in terms of an efficiency question is A Yes there should definitely be NASA and Space Exploration time [TS]

  and money spent on robotic exploration of the solar. [TS]

  Them if I'm going to go I want to stop you I want to stop you on that for a second because I'm not one hundred percent [TS]

  convinced it's a no brainer. [TS]

  And the sort of the famous the famous story about that to borrow from Apollo is you know I love today is Apollo fifteen [TS]

  famously came back with a particular rock code they call it the Genesis rock. [TS]

  Now one of the astronauts found on that mission [TS]

  and that was considered a real game changer for that understanding of the origin of the Moon I think it might be like a [TS]

  piece of original crust and I won't go into all the details part because I don't know all of them [TS]

  but it's very famous very famous and Dave Scott the astronaut on Apollo fifteen [TS]

  and the others involved always said you know I wouldn't have been able to identify and see it for what it was [TS]

  and there was like a real human aspect to the finding of it whereas if you just went and did random samples [TS]

  and rakes in areas and and AI robots are getting cleverer but there is just but so humans [TS]

  and I think there is still a component of it. [TS]

  I still think it's sometimes doing science even doing fieldwork science there is a component of a little bit of outside [TS]

  the box ness and a little bit of not following the algorithm that can lead to really important discoveries [TS]

  and breakthroughs and I do think having humans doing field work whether it's on Mars and does have an advantage [TS]

  and there's a really good argument to be have about where does that have biggest advantage compared with the incredible [TS]

  costs of getting the humans there. Yeah and I guess that's how you are about to reply. [TS]

  Well I still but I do think you get better quality. [TS]

  You do get a lot better quality data from humans if they do their job well. [TS]

  Yeah I mean it's funny because I actually I also think that the Apollo program is a particularly interesting moment in [TS]

  the history of this. We have humans and also the history of technology. [TS]

  I sometimes kind of idly speculate about about its role but that's kind of a question for another time. [TS]

  The only point I want to make is that at the time that we did the Apollo program. [TS]

  Well actually humans were more cost effective if you wanted to get something on the moon because if you did we just did [TS]

  not have the robotic technology at the time to do that. [TS]

  Yeah right as if you want to put a remote controlled robot on the moon that had the same kind of capabilities as our [TS]

  current Mars rovers do with like well I hope you have a trillion trillion dollars to do that [TS]

  and if you know it's just not possible and I really love the size of a gymnasium. [TS]

  Yes I think that you are still using vacuum tubes and all this other stuff so humans were the cost effective option [TS]

  and it turned out that the moon was an achievable goal with a cost effective option compared to something like robotics [TS]

  but of course as time goes on right robotics gets cheaper and cheaper and Mars is a much more difficult call [TS]

  and so yeah it's the cost effective question and calculation is very different between those two scenarios. [TS]

  Yeah I mean clearly clearly you're right as well because that is what we're doing you know sending out these robots to [TS]

  Mars all the time and yeah I mean the advantage of course with the robots is that they are. [TS]

  They are expendable in a way that humans are not where I think that some of the really interesting programs are like [TS]

  the deep space robots like hey we're going to land a robot on a comet right [TS]

  and it's going to take a sample from the surface of the comet like we did you say expendable or expendable. [TS]

  Both of you have got one point said that they are both both important [TS]

  and points you know you can you know we lost a robot. [TS]

  Well I guess that costs the money [TS]

  but you know the robot wasn't anybody's father you know like that you can just write them off [TS]

  and they know it's expendable to you that's what you know I think I think that like whatever we do. [TS]

  Thing robots on Mars. [TS]

  Well we can apply that to getting robots in places where we just can't even dream of sending humans like we're never [TS]

  going to land a human on a comet that swinging by in the solar system probably for a couple hundred years we're not [TS]

  sending any humans to Neptune right this is not going to happen now. [TS]

  But so the robots are able to go further so you kind of you get more by by investing in the robots in a way that you [TS]

  just don't with humans like Mars may be the only human reachable target for a very long time. [TS]

  So it's like they're just it's like it's like a franchise of all if we make a good product that works on much as we can. [TS]

  We had they were the same on everywhere. [TS]

  Yeah that's that's exactly right [TS]

  and you do things you couldn't possibly like hey we're going to send a probe just we're just going to take a very [TS]

  expensive robot and we're just going to throw it into the sun right [TS]

  and have it just record data on the way down like you knew you couldn't do that with a person would be very tragic [TS]

  and you know probably wouldn't be very good at recording data in the last moment which is the most unpleasant time. [TS]

  OK so from society's standpoint you're saying robots all the way. Yeah. [TS]

  However however I am also totally behind a manned program for Mars. [TS]

  I think you can do both of these goals at the same time in no small part because [TS]

  when you look at how much money is spent on on NASA [TS]

  and space exploration just in general it's it's not like it's a huge amount of money relative to governmental spending. [TS]

  It's a tiny amount of money. [TS]

  And I'm a big fan in hey maybe we should have an off site backup for the human species right this might be a good thing [TS]

  to do. [TS]

  This might be literally the most important project that humanity can possibly undertake is having humans on more than [TS]

  one planet. So I think that that is that is definitely a very important but very long term goal. [TS]

  But you don't reach long term goals unless you are progressively working towards them a little bit every day [TS]

  and so yes I think we should have in development an active program to land people on Mars no doubt I think that is [TS]

  important enough that if I was in charge of the government I'd be willing to double Nasa's budget on something like [TS]

  that as a hey take everything you doing now put it into robots and also we're going to double your budget [TS]

  and let's send some humans to Mars like this is however long it takes. [TS]

  Let's just get started on this and make sure that this is a real project that's happening. [TS]

  Just to pause for a second and come back to what you just said then why do you think that so [TS]

  but I always think of you as a kind of rational and when I'm dead I'm gone [TS]

  and all that sort of stuff why do you care so much about this kind of seeding of humanity in this insurance off site [TS]

  backup as you called it like I know you don't want everyone to die in a comet impact. [TS]

  We've discussed this before [TS]

  but no one like you who would be moved by the beauty of the experience that was your position if I remember it [TS]

  but you know I like don't you want to add in my words [TS]

  but like I was twisting a word that all of the exactly which is why I said I understand you know you don't wish ill [TS]

  upon your fellow humans and you know you want it [TS]

  but why do you why are you so invested in the future of humanity if you are one of these guys who you know [TS]

  when I was left my mortal coil nothing matters [TS]

  and Y U Y D Y E So why do you think we should be investing billions in that. And you know. [TS]

  Well because I'm thinking about it from a different perspective. [TS]

  When you're asking a question about a Mars program well me living in my individual life there's nothing that I can [TS]

  really do to get us on Mars sooner. [TS]

  But [TS]

  when you're asking the question about Mars exploration I think implicitly in that question is thinking about it from the [TS]

  perspective of something like a government you know should a government undertake this kind of project [TS]

  or should a crazy tech billionaire. [TS]

  Or take this kind of project is a worthwhile thing for people to do [TS]

  and I would say yes I think that is a worthwhile thing for people to do. [TS]

  That's what I'm thinking of that from you know from my thinking great perspective you know what I would I would I would [TS]

  I think that this is this has enough value over the long term to invest in. [TS]

  Yes [TS]

  and that's a different question from just a lot of other questions you asked me I'm thinking about it just from like oh [TS]

  it's just me in my personal life should I follow the news [TS]

  or should I not follow the news so that's a very different way of thinking about stuff. [TS]

  Yeah so that's why I'm I'm I'm big on this is that let's get people elsewhere I think that that is that is a good goal [TS]

  to have. [TS]

  Tell me what you think about these people who there's been a bit of it in the news lately but [TS]

  but you'd be familiar with the concept anyway. [TS]

  These people who put themselves forward as people who would be willing to go to Mars with no return ticket. [TS]

  People who are willing to pay these sort of sacrificial lambs in a way. [TS]

  Do you understand those people do you think that they are nutters. [TS]

  Could you be one of those people like what you think is I think you know I would never be one of those people. [TS]

  Not no forget it. The immortality of being the first wouldn't appeal to you. [TS]

  Again this is now asking me about my personal life [TS]

  and I would definitely trade living fifty additional years on Earth of my own actual life versus cutting that down to a [TS]

  two or three year lifespan. [TS]

  But getting immortality in the textbooks that immortality in the textbooks means nothing to me when I'm dead. [TS]

  So that's a very different question. Yeah would you do it. Would you go on a one way trip to Mars. [TS]

  You know if you'd asked me five or six years ago you would have got a shaky. I don't know maybe yes maybe no. [TS]

  But now as I get older it's more of an oh so it's more of a no injured yet. [TS]

  Yeah I don't want to leave my wife that when I laid my doggies. So. Audrey is your answer. [TS]

  Yeah but I dunno I think you maybe just get a bit older and cynical [TS]

  and while I still think the Armstrongs wholesome I do realize that he's just a guy who's dead himself [TS]

  and you know while I'm envious of what he got to do. Until then he's a good guy and one is an old maid. [TS]

  But if if you if you said to me Brady we go to Mars [TS]

  and there's a fifty fifty chance of coming back you know it might be a different story. [TS]

  Yeah it's a different story and although it might be a different story as you continue to get older [TS]

  when you're looking at the at the ever shortening event horizon of your life. Yeah well I'm seventy five. [TS]

  How much more time do I possibly have I might as well do something really interesting because then the calculus on this [TS]

  is different [TS]

  and like well how many years of my giving up versus spending the last two years of that doing something interesting [TS]

  that nobody's ever done before. [TS]

  Would you go you wouldn't go with the risk I like a feeler must code you up [TS]

  and said well that's not so much because you love him so much you do anything I would not do anything. [TS]

  Now I was the hook and this is like oh I was an important person that means something. [TS]

  The importance of the person should not change your calculation on whether [TS]

  or not you do something that's a terrible way to make you just told me you'd consider coming to Mount Everest if the [TS]

  other guys come that's a different that's totally different. [TS]

  Well let me put it to the so if there was a fifty fifty chance of you dying going to Mass on a special mission that [TS]

  made a ship so good except with a fifty fifty chance except for the fifty fifty chance except for the death would you [TS]

  go now. Would you go if they had really tested and all of us would go I know I would not. [TS]

  That's that's a no brainer [TS]

  and I go Well guys I'm going to I'm going to monopolize the educational market if you start this is a strategy years [TS]

  ago. Not only is there a downside but is actually an upside it's like like a hedge in the market here. [TS]

  Well can I have your logon details before you go just to just to preserve your legacy. [TS]

  So I mean just what would it take to go to Mass. [TS]

  So I just you know you have to be commonplace like if it was like I kind of assume that I will never not be on planet [TS]

  Earth. [TS]

  Well it's not exactly a wild assumption [TS]

  but yes there's a question of thinking forward into the future is it possible that within our life time travel to Mars [TS]

  becomes as if not exactly common not uncommon. [TS]

  Yeah I think in the in the course of our life that's a possibility [TS]

  and so that's that's why I say that question the way that I do is give me this in the great possibility sense of well [TS]

  of course anything's possible. [TS]

  Or do you think like there's a likelihood like because I I'm not convinced humans will go to mass while I'm alive. [TS]

  If I if I had to put money on the table I would say I would I would bet that yes within my lifespan there are humans [TS]

  who step on Mars. Really I would be surprised if that was not the case. Well a year ago I would've said no. [TS]

  Now I'm a bit more fifty fifty but. [TS]

  So that's why [TS]

  when I'm projecting forward I can imagine I can imagine a place where we could say something like travel to Mars is [TS]

  more frequent than travel to the International Space Station is today you know people go to the International Space [TS]

  Station but very few I can imagine a scenario where travel to Mars is more frequent than that. [TS]

  But but [TS]

  but that's why i'm also that I can also think like well you know I don't I don't like flying on a on a jet airplane [TS]

  across the Atlantic so I can't imagine there's ever going to be a scenario in which I would I would go to Mars even if [TS]

  it was even if it was a common ish in the future. I don't know what he's thinking over there. [TS]

  Sounds like you're mulling something over. [TS]

  I worry not about I think sometimes I think sometimes I think you're too happy to watch what other people do [TS]

  and you don't want to do enough yourself. [TS]

  But I'm on the other hand you do like doing stuff you know [TS]

  and you know you've driven across America a couple of times and you are a guy who goes and does things [TS]

  and say things I don't I can never quite figure out I can't figure that aspect of us out you know you're interested in [TS]

  science and exploration and you know you've got a fascination about nature and yet And yet [TS]

  and I guess you just pick up and know you're a bit nervous and now I'm not I'm not nervous [TS]

  and you might be better to say that I'm calculating with this stuff if you could if you could say that travel to Mars [TS]

  was as safe as air travel is today then that's a different question [TS]

  and I say OK now I can imagine a scenario under which I travel to Mars [TS]

  but I'm not imagining that within the scope of my probable life life that travel to Mars will reach that kind of safety [TS]

  level. [TS]

  That's that's kind of how I'm thinking about this here [TS]

  but again it's also a different thing where you know imagine again I'm like an old person then then then the [TS]

  calculation is also different there. [TS]

  Right now I'm in the prime of my life Brady you know Mars seems like a terrible idea. [TS]

  What do you think of it as a planet. [TS]

  Here it's pretty cold there that's all I hear is very good a lot is trailing the air's chilly [TS]

  and every time of year it's never been one that has never been a planet that has excited me a lot. [TS]

  Well I'm I'm really into you know you know I'm really just running in space and I'm really into the solar system [TS]

  and Miles is always this glamour plan isn't it. [TS]

  It's like the clich├ęd other planet that people love talking about and writing stories about stuff [TS]

  and I've always found it almost the least interesting of the other planets. [TS]

  Well it's the most similar to Earth that's that's also the thing. [TS]

  That's why people talk about going because the most similar but also kind of make that the least interesting. [TS]

  Yeah like I did I did lessons on the solar system with the kids that I used to teach this was just a regular part of [TS]

  the curriculum [TS]

  and I was always aware that the most interesting thing to talk about with Mars is the possibility of humans going [TS]

  but other than that yeah there's not like you can talk about like the amazing kind of weather [TS]

  or the interesting the interesting extremes on the planet because it's not that I say that you've got a limp us man [TS]

  seventy that's the that's the thing that's Yellin let me let me tell you a roomful of fifteen year old kids are not [TS]

  super impressed by all of this month's right you can you can do your best with that [TS]

  but it is not there's no way to make that capture the imagination the highest amount three times higher than Mount [TS]

  Everest. Again even the notion of Mt Everest to a room full of kids is like an abstract notion. [TS]

  And rebel there's a there's a thing that really big [TS]

  and it's three times bigger than the thing that's really big it doesn't it doesn't connect in a way [TS]

  but you can talk about you know or what might it be like to try to fly through Jupiter [TS]

  and go like that so they can kind of imagine this idea of like is that there's nothing really solid in this planet it's [TS]

  like a lie this planet it's a gas giant [TS]

  but with Mars is always the most interesting thing was just talking about people possibly going there like that would [TS]

  capture kids' attention than the particular physical features of Mars are not really interesting here. [TS]

  So that's why I think you also don't find it super interesting because from a geological perspective it is probably the [TS]

  least interesting of all plants. [TS]

  Now we're going to hear from everybody who knows everything about Mars geology like a nail [TS]

  and it's pretty it's pretty true. I can't say I should be able to member I cannot remember her name. [TS]

  The geologist in the Red Mars book. I will not have you not read. Have you not read Red Mars I have not. [TS]

  There's a really grumpy geologist while you still have is that the one where they have like a festival on a limb past [TS]

  months. Yes yes yes I have Family Robinson Yeah I have read that one. John Boone I tell you why. [TS]

  Well the movie Mission to Mars with Gary Sinise and Tim Robbins and those people is is my worst movie ever made. [TS]

  When people have a say what's the worst movie ever that you've ever watched I always say that one [TS]

  and you have watched it three or four times but I think there is though I think that is my worst movie ever. [TS]

  So I know that that is a terrible movie [TS]

  and you know that actually I don't know I don't know any of the time to bring that up. [TS]

  A mention this is a horrifying thing about teaching kids and realizing I would if people know about the world [TS]

  and the answer is way less than you think. Whenever I would do the thing about the solar system. [TS]

  OK so I now I would teach many classes like a whole bunch of kids. So let's say out of me B. [TS]

  One hundred fifty kids I would teach in a particular year when I would get to the part about Mars [TS]

  and humans maybe one day visiting Mars. [TS]

  Without fail there was always at least one kid every year who was confused because they assumed that humans had already [TS]

  been to Mars might not. Not unlike a pulling my leg kind of way but because this always happens every year. [TS]

  I just knew after a while this question was going to come up with some and some of looking confused in the back [TS]

  and I think it's an example of where it's easy to overestimate how much people know about the world [TS]

  and vs how much people have seen in movies. [TS]

  I'm absolutely sure that mission to Mars [TS]

  or other Mars related movies are the reason why some people actually do think we've already been to Mars. [TS]

  I never underestimate how stupid people can be when it comes to space stuff. [TS]

  Oh yeah yeah that he talked to everybody about the Apollo program [TS]

  but I don't know if you're touching a microphone right now by the way you use what I did I did. [TS]

  Oh look at that I'm going to tell you the price. You're amazing. Yeah I can hear it on my headphones. [TS]

  Did you did you look down and you saw your hands were touching it [TS]

  and you didn't even know you were doing it it was a bit of a fidget. Yeah. [TS]

  Just like your phone just went off right now on vibrate as well this is the other thing I can hear [TS]

  and I'm sorry that is my fault but now I am [TS]

  but now is on your end all of a sudden I'm not going to apologize for having my phone on because I do need to know [TS]

  what's going on but you are watching your microphone. I was and it was completely just fit. [TS]

  I am bit of a fidget to you and that was a complete fidget I was just an unnecessary rotation of the bass. [TS]

  Yeah and I can hear it over here I'm going to have to edit it out later on. [TS]

  Well you can't now because it's become a whole thing. [TS]

  When they think I don't I don't question is a no isn't a question I'm doing something that's creating you know ice [TS]

  but I did not touch the microphone. [TS]