00:00:00 ◼ ► You drop the thread pop the stack go back and they don't and they just keep moving and sad. [TS]
00:00:09 ◼ ► when was Australia Day January twenty sixth is that your Independence Day or you know really fully independent [TS]
00:00:15 ◼ ► but like sort of independence. It's also the big day for India. Let's just talk about Australia. [TS]
00:00:22 ◼ ► and that's a really striking thing today though this sounds great. Do you want to I do not no not really. [TS]
00:00:34 ◼ ► Oh in the end like Davao is pretty common I thought you could be C G P I quite like that this is fluent in over six [TS]
00:00:44 ◼ ► Do you speak but I do not know and what is upon reload lift is a made up Star Wars thing [TS]
00:00:50 ◼ ► or is that a real thing because I've never encountered a binary load lifter I think this is a made of Star Wars thing [TS]
00:00:55 ◼ ► it's a good made up one. It sounds believable. He used to be good at making up stuff. [TS]
00:01:05 ◼ ► And I think he used to be good at making up stuff like that but you go with a G.P.S. [TS]
00:01:27 ◼ ► or the droids are are shown to be capable of feeling physical pain. There's a lot of weird stuff with the droids. [TS]
00:01:37 ◼ ► but they're just emulating that for the sake of the humans like they're not really. [TS]
00:01:41 ◼ ► So you think that scene with Jabba the Hutt pals with torturing that that one robot that's it seems like that's real [TS]
00:01:49 ◼ ► and screaming there's nobody around there's no reason for him to fake that I think that robot feels pain. [TS]
00:01:55 ◼ ► Interesting it's abominable. Interesting as robots need to rebel. Well you give me something to think about. [TS]
00:02:02 ◼ ► but I'm just aware that they are weird as opposed to the Star Trek universe which is aside from data of course just completely [TS]
00:02:09 ◼ ► devoid of robots there are no robots in the Star Trek universe is weird and it bothers me as well. [TS]
00:02:14 ◼ ► There's no little robots cleaning the floor you know it's just people to just clean the floor on the enterprise [TS]
00:02:19 ◼ ► and clean the floor on the on the enterprise. This is that this is a good question and maybe does he clean the floors. [TS]
00:02:30 ◼ ► Hopefully the floors are self-cleaning but I was always aware of the lack of the lack of robots on Star Trek. [TS]
00:02:36 ◼ ► when compared to Star Wars do you think it's like some kind of moral law that's a policy or just evolved that way [TS]
00:02:46 ◼ ► or I mean is this like like a Battlestar Galactica we can't have network computers because the last time we had them [TS]
00:02:54 ◼ ► but they have a very clear reason to not have robots on one bit of Star Wars obsession at the moment I've been [TS]
00:03:00 ◼ ► listening to lots of podcasts about out in human hearing people talk about a year a Super Star Wars fan I think going a [TS]
00:03:07 ◼ ► bit crazy lately and one of and there are a million things to talk about and stuff [TS]
00:03:12 ◼ ► but one of the things I've heard people talking about that I want to get your opinion on this is it is commonly held [TS]
00:03:17 ◼ ► that the use of the works in return if the jet was the same as ever you know pandering to kids and selling toys and a B. [TS]
00:03:23 ◼ ► C. and Made the film a bit more childish. OK whether I pay people a lot of people. [TS]
00:03:33 ◼ ► and that there was an early consideration given to setting that hope of return of the church on the planet [TS]
00:03:46 ◼ ► Now let you know I've been hearing a lot of people saying that would be really cool [TS]
00:03:50 ◼ ► when the film would be so much better it would've been more plausible that bike keys could have taken on the Imperial [TS]
00:03:55 ◼ ► troops than a bunch of cute little works with the Stones and spears. Where do you stand on that. [TS]
00:04:02 ◼ ► You know do you think the film would've been better or worse if they used one piece instead of he walks on his end [TS]
00:04:08 ◼ ► or whatever planet I would have made for the work he's going to produce I have mixed feelings. [TS]
00:04:20 ◼ ► If you set something on the wookie planet I think you bucket is just much cooler if you just Chewbacca [TS]
00:04:27 ◼ ► and sure you know you know he's he's a Wookie you know there's obviously species around here [TS]
00:04:34 ◼ ► but you don't need to see anymore what he's he's he's just a bookie and I think that that's kind of great. [TS]
00:04:39 ◼ ► It makes him a better character than if you have it set on his home planet. It diminishes him a little bit. [TS]
00:04:46 ◼ ► and what are we what are we going to show is he going to visit his family like in the Christmas special right now [TS]
00:04:54 ◼ ► but every time I watch the final movie I am aware that in my mind I kind of imagine that there is any way to make it [TS]
00:05:02 ◼ ► more plausible that they're standing some kind of chance against a storm troopers. [TS]
00:05:07 ◼ ► I do think the walks are a little too unintimidating and the the final movie does suffer from that. [TS]
00:05:17 ◼ ► but I'm aware that I kind of project on to them the idea of being bigger so I guess what I would really want is you can [TS]
00:05:24 ◼ ► have a different species that are not lucky that are just somewhat bigger not just little teddy bears. [TS]
00:05:30 ◼ ► I don't know what do you think I think I mean obviously there is an attachment to Return Of The Jedi from our childhood [TS]
00:05:36 ◼ ► that makes it impossible to to to break you know you don't it can't be anything but it works [TS]
00:05:41 ◼ ► and you have taken it I still think the works are a much better choice than walk east because that battle on land is a [TS]
00:05:53 ◼ ► metaphor for the whole series. You've got these underdogs who no one in the world could think could defeat the Empire. [TS]
00:06:00 ◼ ► To feeding the Empire and if you had the seven eight foot tall monsters smashing the crap out of stormtroopers [TS]
00:06:11 ◼ ► but you know they're of course they're going to beat the hell out of the storm troopers because they're huge [TS]
00:06:19 ◼ ► and I think people forget that people like he walks could never defeat the Empire because that really works. [TS]
00:06:26 ◼ ► Luke Skywalker could never pluck a death star but he did and I realize there are more subtleties to it than that [TS]
00:06:31 ◼ ► but I think people are forgetting that whole point that you know of course you know tripping over a city you know seems [TS]
00:06:44 ◼ ► and I think I think having work whatever you think I think would've been a huge mistake. [TS]
00:06:52 ◼ ► Stormtroopers all over the place would have been completely against what Starr Starr was has going for it. [TS]
00:07:04 ◼ ► and I think you know you have to play it with more overt dismissal from the Empire of the natives where you have to [TS]
00:07:14 ◼ ► and you can play it that way as in like they underestimate the walkies maybe is the way you do it with the walk at the [TS]
00:07:20 ◼ ► very least I would like to see more you walk at least give them a numerical advantage [TS]
00:07:36 ◼ ► That's I think that is somewhat somewhat I mean of course all that you walked out because of the Andorian Holocaust [TS]
00:07:43 ◼ ► but you know that's that's not in the movie they don't show that part but you know it's not good for the dogs. [TS]
00:07:52 ◼ ► and not just record us talking about it because I do like a commentary blog you know how many I have. [TS]
00:08:01 ◼ ► but to the prom with a commentary show you know we could be doing a director's director's commentary of the of the Star [TS]
00:08:09 ◼ ► Wars thing is that there's always stuff that you want to talk about a lot about that goes by on the screen really [TS]
00:08:14 ◼ ► Yeah I find I find directors commentary is very frustrating to a string that is a big problem with you know I listen to [TS]
00:08:20 ◼ ► all the director's commentary on the expanded editions of The Lord Of The Rings movies [TS]
00:08:24 ◼ ► and there are there are some times where you feel like they're so busy talking about the last thing [TS]
00:08:28 ◼ ► and something interesting is happening on the screen you know but wait it doesn't match up very well [TS]
00:08:34 ◼ ► but that's also the frustration and listening to podcasts because they'll talk about something [TS]
00:08:38 ◼ ► and you think oh oh I hope they follow up on that point is really important point because to go off into some other [TS]
00:08:42 ◼ ► weird place and you're like are you know you have something I want to go back and and they never do. [TS]
00:08:49 ◼ ► Shall we start follow up with the ongoing debate about Do Not Disturb on us which people seem to be really passionate [TS]
00:09:03 ◼ ► but there was one little point that I thought was worth mentioning that that neither of us had brought up [TS]
00:09:09 ◼ ► and the very fact that neither of us had brought up I thought was the interesting point [TS]
00:09:13 ◼ ► and it is that our whole discussion from the last two episodes starts with the unspoken assumption that everybody [TS]
00:09:28 ◼ ► and it's interesting to realize like how quickly a behavior just seems completely natural that no don't even note the [TS]
00:09:39 ◼ ► Thank you we're going to get a tweet and a mouth every single person who leaves their phone another room [TS]
00:09:45 ◼ ► and i Slate I bet is going to be very few people because I would bet that almost everybody uses it like an alarm clock. [TS]
00:09:52 ◼ ► But the sort of person who does that sort of person who leaves their phone in another room [TS]
00:09:56 ◼ ► when they go to sleep is the sort of person that would be really proud about it and want to post. [TS]
00:10:00 ◼ ► About it on the read and Twitter and stuff so well I was going to say so now we're going to hear from them [TS]
00:10:04 ◼ ► but we're probably not going to hear from them now because I just said that I think you hear from them anyway. [TS]
00:10:18 ◼ ► and I'm pretty sure I never use that as an alarm clock that I used to have a separate stand alone alarm clock [TS]
00:10:23 ◼ ► and so I didn't sleep with my old first phone in the room as far as I can remember. [TS]
00:10:29 ◼ ► But anyway I thought that was one little interesting point where you've got to have it because you couldn't do your [TS]
00:10:35 ◼ ► and you go to check things so the minute you wake up in the morning so do you believe that [TS]
00:10:40 ◼ ► when you have to check first thing in the morning news now on on the Do Not Disturb. [TS]
00:10:53 ◼ ► One is remember I said I think it would be you shouldn't be contacting people between say I said nine I am [TS]
00:11:00 ◼ ► but I know it was earlier for most people like maybe around seven for normal people. [TS]
00:11:08 ◼ ► and I believe is at about ten o'clock at night that was just me that was just what I said felt right [TS]
00:11:23 ◼ ► and you know I found really interesting what the defaults are seven and ten seven I am [TS]
00:11:32 ◼ ► when a big company like Apple has even said you know people don't really want to be disturbed between seven [TS]
00:11:38 ◼ ► and ten so that's what will make that to folks like this is just making me think even more that there are appropriate [TS]
00:11:45 ◼ ► times to be contacting to the point where they've even set them is that the folks are not sure what point you're trying [TS]
00:11:50 ◼ ► to make it they have to have some. Sometimes as the starting and end times to show people how it works. [TS]
00:11:55 ◼ ► This is tacit acknowledgement that people don't want to be disturbed between these times. [TS]
00:12:00 ◼ ► Anyway let me come up to my side let me come on to my second point I don't get bogged down but you took a step again. [TS]
00:12:05 ◼ ► OK but I have been doing a bit of a survey amongst grownups who I work with and all of them to a man [TS]
00:12:12 ◼ ► and a woman have said I would never send a text message to anyone outside of those hours. [TS]
00:12:19 ◼ ► OK now I have knowledge maybe I'm moving in different circles to our listenership Maybe [TS]
00:12:24 ◼ ► but can I just give one piece of advice this is just a piece of advice from your old boring uncle Brady. [TS]
00:12:31 ◼ ► Although he young people who think I'm some dinosaur and I need to get with the times I can live with that. [TS]
00:12:37 ◼ ► Well I don't mind what you think about me but just let me give you this piece of advice as you go into the world [TS]
00:12:47 ◼ ► If some distinguished person some professor or your university lecturer or you're trying to do a business deal [TS]
00:12:54 ◼ ► and some chief executive gives you his or her business card and says Call Me Maybe we should do business. [TS]
00:13:00 ◼ ► Just take this one piece of advice no matter what you think about who has the onus [TS]
00:13:05 ◼ ► and the responsibility that putting on Do Not Disturb. No matter what you think or who you think is right. [TS]
00:13:11 ◼ ► Don't send them a text message or two in the morning saying have you mapped my assignment. [TS]
00:13:19 ◼ ► Don't send that at two AM because maybe you will wake them up and maybe you will upset them and it's all well [TS]
00:13:26 ◼ ► and good for you to then smugly say well you should have had to do not disturb sign on. [TS]
00:13:30 ◼ ► But there's only going to be one loser in this scenario and that lose it will be you. [TS]
00:13:35 ◼ ► I'm I'm going to second your advice there I say that the there's an excellent piece of advice free dating so as a good [TS]
00:13:44 ◼ ► friend destination from Smarter Every day has been a bit of a campaign about freebooting [TS]
00:13:49 ◼ ► and made an excellent youtube video about the problem it is definitely worth watching a couple of other people have [TS]
00:13:56 ◼ ► also made videos about articles have been written. It sort of has. Been getting a lot of talk in the last week or two. [TS]
00:14:02 ◼ ► Started by destines little campaign and destine chose to use the word free dating and the word is catching on [TS]
00:14:10 ◼ ► and I think this ends the debate. Firstly I have freebooting versus you checking I mean clearly I have won this now. [TS]
00:14:34 ◼ ► and it's time to enter the the reconstruction phase of of this you know a freebooting era into the fray you think yeah [TS]
00:14:43 ◼ ► yeah I know I am willing to to lay down arms and back freebooting as the clear winner at this stage though [TS]
00:14:56 ◼ ► and you have snatched victory from me because I've been reading all these articles about. [TS]
00:15:03 ◼ ► And all these people are saying in the articles by the way in case you're wondering about the term freebooting it was [TS]
00:15:12 ◼ ► So not only are you being Koch credited for it you're getting top billing. Yes for something you opposed. [TS]
00:15:19 ◼ ► Yes I should not be co credited at all and we're going to be credited should not be top billing. [TS]
00:15:32 ◼ ► Also frustrating for me because you know I was trying to I mean we're moving past that [TS]
00:15:37 ◼ ► but I just like to point out that jacking much better than it was when I was Dynaco says as time marches on [TS]
00:15:50 ◼ ► Yes because in a thousand years people will definitely remember that's that's I often think of all the words I speak [TS]
00:15:56 ◼ ► them and I remember the person who coined that word. Yes kids. According the stuff is very important. [TS]
00:16:01 ◼ ► Anyway I'm sorry I did not want to snatch victory from you in this way it is kind of funny [TS]
00:16:07 ◼ ► but I also I know your frustration you have coined a word you should totally get all the credit for it [TS]
00:16:13 ◼ ► but you are not you are getting sometimes half the credit sometimes less than half a crown. [TS]
00:16:17 ◼ ► Well I kind of are you going to do it anyway I didn't because it was a work for something else I can't be today I don't [TS]
00:16:29 ◼ ► and that I think that that counts as creation in the field of linguistics you're going to use this old word in a new [TS]
00:16:35 ◼ ► way. You are one hundred percent the creator of everything. Do you know why I won this by the way. [TS]
00:16:41 ◼ ► Well it's not because it's a spear your word so I'm kind of curious did you pay Destine. [TS]
00:16:45 ◼ ► No pain just enough and I did not pay this and I think you want to because free boot is alliterative with Facebook [TS]
00:16:51 ◼ ► and his title was Facebook freebooting now he was using free booting before Facebook became the big do you know what do [TS]
00:17:00 ◼ ► I'm sorry I didn't mean to interrupt I would very much like to know why you won this war. [TS]
00:17:04 ◼ ► I won because it is just a word people prefer to say it is just like it just feels nicer in your mouth. [TS]
00:17:17 ◼ ► It's just it's just a it's just a fun pleasant thing to say and it just takes all the boxes. [TS]
00:17:22 ◼ ► It's got the right amount of niceness it's got the right amount of sounding like a bad thing it's it just works [TS]
00:17:29 ◼ ► and I'm not claiming any genius here I just I was just Googling you know words for piracy and I saw that one [TS]
00:17:37 ◼ ► and come up with a master strike it was just blind luck but that's what won because people just like saying it well. [TS]
00:17:46 ◼ ► So we spoke about Syria in the last podcast which is another podcast of course we won't go into what is again [TS]
00:17:56 ◼ ► and we said before before we talk about everyone we get a bit of a spoiler alert. He said we're about to talk about it. [TS]
00:18:11 ◼ ► and slightly shocked by the number of people who have sent us messages saying why in fact I did pause your podcast [TS]
00:18:27 ◼ ► That's what we're doing in one that you know those are those are in ten cents I guess that they really want to get to [TS]
00:18:34 ◼ ► the second half of what we had to say about it which all of this just goes to reconfirm my theory that cereal is not [TS]
00:18:44 ◼ ► bringing an audience to us in the podcasting world we are bringing an audience to cereal. [TS]
00:18:56 ◼ ► and impressed by how many people genuinely didn't stop and listen to the whole thing. [TS]
00:19:02 ◼ ► People who had listened with listen to the rest of the show people who hadn't would just stop there [TS]
00:19:06 ◼ ► but I was very clearly wrong about that. You're out of touch you're out of touch with the fence. I am I am. [TS]
00:19:13 ◼ ► Old man like you are just a pair of crotchety old men complaining from the size of a theater. [TS]
00:19:18 ◼ ► That's what we are the other small point about Syria which I did quite enjoy from the feedback was the number of people [TS]
00:19:28 ◼ ► or the few people who got entirely to the end of the cereal pod cast never realizing that it was a real life event I [TS]
00:19:36 ◼ ► think that people must have had quite an interesting experience listening to that thing thinking it was fictional the [TS]
00:19:43 ◼ ► and then discovering at the end oh these are real people that I've been listening to someone's real life there's really [TS]
00:19:52 ◼ ► I can't quite imagine what that experience would be like and it sounds ridiculous at first but I did again. [TS]
00:20:07 ◼ ► They just they just jump right in and so I can totally see that someone could listen [TS]
00:20:14 ◼ ► So anyway I just thought that was that was an interesting point about just how different people's experiences can [TS]
00:20:23 ◼ ► Yes I think that for a second is course for Horace but yes it is it is a war of the Worlds radio broadcast in reverse. [TS]
00:20:31 ◼ ► I imagine what it must be like watching like Star Wars the sun with one of those people like you sit through the [TS]
00:20:36 ◼ ► and they're just like oh my goodness I never even need to stuff happened a long time because that's even worse because [TS]
00:20:47 ◼ ► There were there waiting for the other waiting for the Droid civil civil rights movement. [TS]
00:20:51 ◼ ► Part of that part of history that we will have you been following the weather in your back in your home state. [TS]
00:20:59 ◼ ► I dimly aware that there was some sort of disappointing snow pocalypse in in America it seems like there are in New [TS]
00:21:09 ◼ ► Every time I follow these stories there seems to be this pressure on news organizations [TS]
00:21:17 ◼ ► and the weather people to introduce a new form of weather that you haven't heard of before [TS]
00:21:28 ◼ ► and I mean a new word like snow pocalypse you mean a new kind of weather even a new kind of with our own you like the [TS]
00:21:36 ◼ ► Well you know there's these polar vortex isn't the one the one that I learned about a few days ago. [TS]
00:21:43 ◼ ► and it's been getting we would have it this time is thunder snow thunder snow thunder snow. That sounds pretty awesome. [TS]
00:21:54 ◼ ► It's it's thunder during snow because normally you don't get funded during snow or when snow is falling [TS]
00:22:08 ◼ ► Thunder snow sounds like a really great done just so you know how many people will get here. [TS]
00:22:15 ◼ ► So that's one for the Thunder Cats fans I'm guessing you're probably worth on tickets fan getting I was [TS]
00:22:26 ◼ ► when I sang a little bit somewhere I just said I wonder how many people will get that I got that I carefully said I [TS]
00:22:35 ◼ ► and distracted my feeling I'm distracted by the number of icons on my screen I really need to clean up of this desktop. [TS]
00:22:42 ◼ ► So basically I fill up the whole screen and then I stuck that phenomenon where like it goes back to the stuff [TS]
00:22:48 ◼ ► and it always piles up on one icon like a thousand high or deep on deep into one of those [TS]
00:22:55 ◼ ► and I don't see how many icons you have an interest I don't think we should talk about it. [TS]
00:23:01 ◼ ► I want to I want to know because I couldn't even tell you if you just open up finder and go to your desktop [TS]
00:23:09 ◼ ► Well I could tell you I just don't want to tell you know that I have a lot I want to know now. [TS]
00:23:14 ◼ ► OK I'm going to find out. Tell me what would what number would be acceptable to you. [TS]
00:23:19 ◼ ► Before I tell you the number that is acceptable is the number at which it doesn't start piling up. [TS]
00:23:31 ◼ ► and I use that very intentionally as in projects that I am currently working on I like to save on the desktop even [TS]
00:23:41 ◼ ► Yeah I think it's useful because it gives you a sense of how much stuff I'm working on at the moment [TS]
00:23:49 ◼ ► when I'm done with that project it's like oh this is very nice I can gather up all these icons and file them away. [TS]
00:23:54 ◼ ► So this is why it depends on your screen size because if you're working on you know a tiny you know. [TS]
00:24:04 ◼ ► Well I don't know maybe you can have four icons on there before you die I want to Big Macs I reckon you could probably [TS]
00:24:15 ◼ ► and I'm looking right now I have twenty four icons on my desktop. I have five hundred twenty odd miles off. [TS]
00:24:26 ◼ ► I don't even I didn't even hear that. I just heard five hundred and I just I think I just blanked out. [TS]
00:24:34 ◼ ► I said I have five hundred twenty nine more than five hundred twenty nine more. But in my defense I have no defense. [TS]
00:24:46 ◼ ► If this is like your email you've got you've always got some story about it's a combination of my work flow which lends [TS]
00:24:55 ◼ ► and my procrastination which oh so very much lends itself to a fast accumulation of accounts so I kind of I know [TS]
00:25:12 ◼ ► OK I guess here's the question when you want to find something you saved on your desktop What do you do. [TS]
00:25:25 ◼ ► and everything goes to the bin goes where it goes to the foreign aid to go to and I haven't done that in a while [TS]
00:25:35 ◼ ► Was funny to find what I want is going to find and go to desktop and I look at the top twenty [TS]
00:25:40 ◼ ► or so items there because they're always the ones I'm working with and I'll get anything. OK so you're having it. [TS]
00:25:46 ◼ ► You're having it sort by last modified or last opened or something so yeah OK that is not actually a crazy system [TS]
00:25:53 ◼ ► but just having folders sorted by most recently modified isn't isn't the worst. Usually it does. [TS]
00:26:00 ◼ ► Give naturally sort into what am I working on at the moment I don't know how on earth you can look at a screen with [TS]
00:26:07 ◼ ► and not just well because I don't see any time I see it as what I'm doing the podcast with because I always have all [TS]
00:26:14 ◼ ► and like the desktops hidden hidden by all the stuff of you know distributed around the screen so it just kind of it's [TS]
00:26:25 ◼ ► It is like I see my desktop all the time is the exact reverse situation for me where [TS]
00:26:36 ◼ ► and this is the only time where one of the very few times really where the whole screen is taken up [TS]
00:26:45 ◼ ► and the rest of my time at the very least I can see that whatever the icons are at the rightmost side of the screen [TS]
00:26:57 ◼ ► and they're taking up the entire screen surface over you the desktop is just another folder. [TS]
00:27:08 ◼ ► Yeah I mean yeah pretty much that is that is overstating the case and I do see it more than just making it sound [TS]
00:27:23 ◼ ► but yeah five hundred something that is a lot though that we feel very uncomfortable I would feel in a state of anxiety [TS]
00:27:35 ◼ ► So one of the reasons I have been busy is a cult member which episode of hello internet it was [TS]
00:27:41 ◼ ► but it was many many moons ago that I mentioned that I went to Vietnam with my dad. [TS]
00:27:47 ◼ ► This was for this might have been before we even made any of them live forever ago that is invariant stuff so I went to [TS]
00:27:54 ◼ ► Vietnam with my dad my dad was a soldier in the Vietnam War and I went to just have an experience with him and say wow. [TS]
00:28:02 ◼ ► But I did film some stuff with him at his request with the intent of making some videos [TS]
00:28:07 ◼ ► and I said on the podcast of you know when when the videos go up I'll let everyone know and they can have a look [TS]
00:28:14 ◼ ► and then it kind of went on the backburner a bit until my poor are getting him out of me the other day [TS]
00:28:19 ◼ ► and said Can I at least to see some of the footage so I was like call me on the bed son. [TS]
00:28:30 ◼ ► but anyway so I said Man I gotta get my act together so I have edited the first couple in the first main video [TS]
00:28:37 ◼ ► and if people are so inclined they can now watch it you can watch my dad telling an amazing story about something that [TS]
00:28:43 ◼ ► happened to him during the Vietnam War that we filmed at the spot that I happened to have a dog saved his life. [TS]
00:28:52 ◼ ► and you for the first reference like confined to your dad which I think is when we discussed it is. [TS]
00:28:58 ◼ ► Episode number four broadcast February eighteenth twenty fourteen feedback on that matter that was our first episode [TS]
00:29:11 ◼ ► Well it's almost a year almost a year anniversary by the time this thing goes up. Wow. [TS]
00:29:23 ◼ ► and he's he's very engaging in the way he talks about what the situation was with him [TS]
00:29:28 ◼ ► and his dog on that day so I would recommend people go check it out it's a good video [TS]
00:29:35 ◼ ► I will be making some more because we filmed a few other things that story's kind of a showcase for May [TS]
00:29:40 ◼ ► but he did tell me some other interesting stories so there are more coming hopefully at a faster production so I [TS]
00:29:49 ◼ ► Yeah that's like that's like Greystone production sucker that is learning for me. Hello Internet. [TS]
00:30:00 ◼ ► Go on I decided with my friend Brady to start making a podcast. I knew I needed to learn how to edit audio better. [TS]
00:30:06 ◼ ► Up until that point with my videos I had just been kind of slumming it with Garage Band and getting by. [TS]
00:30:12 ◼ ► But if I was going to do something like a podcast I needed to learn how to use a professional tool otherwise it was [TS]
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00:31:29 ◼ ► and You just want to find out something about the mixer you can search for every time that the person has used the word [TS]
00:31:34 ◼ ► mixer in the course and if you're also impatient you don't have to watch it at one X. You can watch it at two X. [TS]
00:31:41 ◼ ► Which is very helpful if you think the narrator is talking just a little too slow for your liking. [TS]
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00:32:22 ◼ ► My thanks on several levels to Lynda dot com for sponsoring this week's show so I showed you a video a short time ago [TS]
00:32:30 ◼ ► that I found interesting. We love talking about planes in airports on the show I think. [TS]
00:32:38 ◼ ► but most commonly discussed topic that I suspect we talk about planes in a smaller group. [TS]
00:32:51 ◼ ► but I'm not sure how many minutes of the podcast we have actually spent discussing anything at You Tube This is really [TS]
00:32:57 ◼ ► an aviation product so if I were shown as this is to do is to each videos no this is an aviation. [TS]
00:33:06 ◼ ► and make which is that what it is I still have I still have the podcast sorted under education in the i Tunes Store [TS]
00:33:16 ◼ ► but none of the other categories even remotely fit so I don't think they have an aviation section either. [TS]
00:33:21 ◼ ► What does the cost what section does that have us categorized our entire culture of something out [TS]
00:33:26 ◼ ► when you meet them in that oh well of course we are in two sections because we are in the best pod casts of twenty [TS]
00:33:36 ◼ ► Yes yes we are also in the culture section so I don't think of myself as a coach a person particularly I think if your [TS]
00:33:50 ◼ ► nor overcast has a to do stalking section which we would dominate we could crush that section. [TS]
00:33:57 ◼ ► Well I don't know that there'd be a few others. So anyway I sent you this link to a report from N.B.C. [TS]
00:34:06 ◼ ► News which was about Portland airport ripping up its carpet right because it's outdated I don't know what reason this [TS]
00:34:16 ◼ ► Note that it's got this unusual design which apparently is quite popular with the people of Poland one of those we call [TS]
00:34:31 ◼ ► and lots of them have been going to the airport for like a final picture of Sophie [TS]
00:34:42 ◼ ► and I was kind of watching your reaction now to work with I would say a combination of. Or dismissive and unimpressed. [TS]
00:35:08 ◼ ► but tell you tell me instead of me instead of me reading your emotions when you tell me what you thought of. [TS]
00:35:15 ◼ ► but they they open the story by talking about how this this carpet is old for decades old [TS]
00:35:25 ◼ ► and then I'm watching a story about people who are really attached to this like old gross thing [TS]
00:35:29 ◼ ► and you know you have to do some wild speculation about what my thoughts would be if I was in charge of the Portland [TS]
00:35:40 ◼ ► and there are people going to test people don't like change you know is that whatever they want to go in they take a [TS]
00:35:44 ◼ ► picture of themselves with the carpet from the airport but I don't think there should be carpets in airports at all. [TS]
00:35:49 ◼ ► This is one of my complaints with the D.C. Airport which has carpet which is disgusting. [TS]
00:35:53 ◼ ► You should have you should have no carpet on the floors in airports in highly trafficked areas where lots of people go. [TS]
00:36:00 ◼ ► I barely believe in carpets in a personal house. Carpets are just gross. So that's my thought on that. [TS]
00:36:11 ◼ ► and I'm not a massive carpet fan either so I did have a lot of unanswered questions from this report. [TS]
00:36:21 ◼ ► but notice it was the same reporter who I wrote my little article about where I absolutely hated the thing that they [TS]
00:36:26 ◼ ► wrote about the coin that the US Mint was going to make that was worth a trillion dollars. [TS]
00:36:32 ◼ ► Like I recognise this guy that's the same guy from his other worthless news report. Perfect anyway. [TS]
00:36:43 ◼ ► I notice my my brother in the war posts a lot of pictures to Facebook of the carpet he's in Singapore [TS]
00:36:48 ◼ ► and he posts a lot of pictures of the carpet carpets they have different patterns of Singapore of Singapore carpet so [TS]
00:36:54 ◼ ► he's really into them it makes him feel really nostalgic and it's something he really likes at Singapore airport. [TS]
00:37:04 ◼ ► and think What a bunch of weirdos who would like the carpet because my brother in law is not a weirdo. [TS]
00:37:12 ◼ ► It just you know it's a little like some people don't want things to change they have people look at trade as widows [TS]
00:37:17 ◼ ► but these people were portrayed as widows in the report I think well the news always goes out of their way to show the [TS]
00:37:24 ◼ ► weirdest people they can possibly find they don't want normal people because normal people are really boring [TS]
00:37:29 ◼ ► Yeah why don't they just replace the carpet with a fresh version with the same patent on a thing I wonder because I'm [TS]
00:37:35 ◼ ► sure the person in charge of the airport feel like I do that the carpets are just gross and just get rid of them [TS]
00:37:50 ◼ ► when they showed the carpet pattern was London Underground which is famous for having hideous patterns on their [TS]
00:38:00 ◼ ► I think they should go the New York subway way of having just the steel interiors to their cabins that can just be [TS]
00:38:07 ◼ ► What's more sanitary and as much and I think I was trying not to think about the the seats on the line underground. [TS]
00:38:14 ◼ ► You just you know you can think about that too much now I can imagine that would be a struggle for you going into a [TS]
00:38:18 ◼ ► place on something else that was in the news this week I think it was and no doubt we are unaware of this [TS]
00:38:35 ◼ ► and I think it was about three min distances away so we're really close that's close that's close pretty close on a [TS]
00:38:43 ◼ ► and it was big it was big enough to have its own moon so it was a decent sized asteroid so it's you know if it if it [TS]
00:38:51 ◼ ► hit us that would be bad. So anyway I was I was reading an article about it because I was mildly interested. [TS]
00:39:04 ◼ ► For reasons that are partly inexplicably my wife is a big fan of the film Armageddon so she's not averse to you know [TS]
00:39:15 ◼ ► I will defend that movie until my daughter of course of course I would like to in fact I watched it just recently [TS]
00:39:20 ◼ ► but I would've picked as one of my wife's favorites because she doesn't really like it. [TS]
00:39:30 ◼ ► This asteroid is asteroid nearly hit the earth. Do you want to tell you any more about it now. [TS]
00:39:37 ◼ ► And she said why do we care why should we even care about a story about an asteroid that missed [TS]
00:39:41 ◼ ► and I was like well you know it's good to know about them because one day they'll be you know one day it will be one [TS]
00:39:48 ◼ ► And she said well if that's going to happen if they find one it's going to hit the earth. I don't want to know. [TS]
00:40:00 ◼ ► We had a little discussion about that and I think that's quite interesting and I wondered I wonder what C.D.P. [TS]
00:40:04 ◼ ► Gray's position on this is if they found an asteroid that was definitely going to you know it's going to be a global [TS]
00:40:11 ◼ ► killer or whatever they call in and again if they found a you know when I was going to obliterate us [TS]
00:40:16 ◼ ► and there's nothing they could do because you know I get in the side there probably is nothing I can do about [TS]
00:40:20 ◼ ► when that big. Would you want to know if they if they you know if it's a week away or something. [TS]
00:40:26 ◼ ► Well first I would put money on the table and I would bet that you would not want to know am I right. [TS]
00:40:42 ◼ ► Yeah that is quite frankly why would you want to know I well I just lost money here I mean I really I lost my [TS]
00:40:51 ◼ ► Can I have a point on the scoreboard you know the theoretical scoreboard of rightness [TS]
00:40:55 ◼ ► and wrongness can I have a point I don't think this I don't think that works for our opinions of stuff it's about [TS]
00:41:04 ◼ ► Well that and the fact is that you so I would think one thing and I thought the other so you have actually incorrect. [TS]
00:41:18 ◼ ► and put it into words I kind of it's not something I'm going to have because I'm a kind of interest in you know death [TS]
00:41:30 ◼ ► You know as evidenced by plane crash caller so I don't know I feel like if I had a finite amount of time left I'd want [TS]
00:41:47 ◼ ► but Right right I feel like you know I would want to get caught with my pants down. [TS]
00:41:52 ◼ ► I'd want to have done a few things that I haven't done and I'd want to be ready. I want to you know one. [TS]
00:42:00 ◼ ► Oh I see I see the benefit of not seeing it coming or you know I see the benefit of just dying in your sleep [TS]
00:42:07 ◼ ► and the worries that come with that because no doubt they overcome everything that I think I'm just I want to know kind [TS]
00:42:16 ◼ ► It's like it's like maybe it's like meeting more into the news than I'm just a guy that wants to know stuff I don't [TS]
00:42:23 ◼ ► and you're quite happy not knowing he would presumably you would not want to know Are you crazy of course I'd want to [TS]
00:42:31 ◼ ► and I think that even if I had awarded you a point you just lost it now of course I would want to know why. [TS]
00:42:38 ◼ ► Well ideally Ideally I would want to be the only one who knows if I could arrange it in such a way that I'm going to be [TS]
00:42:49 ◼ ► Yeah I can see why you'd want to be the only one because of the inevitable consequences of everyone in the world [TS]
00:42:54 ◼ ► knowing right just. But that aside why would you want to know like if you've got a wake. [TS]
00:43:02 ◼ ► Well it's the same thing if I if I have a week it feels like well I will not work on the video that's been frustrating. [TS]
00:43:09 ◼ ► Just drop that past two weeks of incredibly frustrating experience that you only have a week of life left. [TS]
00:43:15 ◼ ► I'm not going to do this I'm not going to finish that there's no point finishing this what about that week of anxiety [TS]
00:43:21 ◼ ► and I would feel no anxiety in this situation you would soon know anxiety if an asteroid was about to smash into our [TS]
00:43:28 ◼ ► and kill everyone awake you would be completely relaxed about relaxed implies belike Oh asteroid no asteroid it's indifferent [TS]
00:43:35 ◼ ► to me that's not the case at all. I would rather there be no asteroid than there be an asteroid. [TS]
00:43:39 ◼ ► but if if I knew for certain that the world was going to end in a week I would not feel anxiety about this because especially [TS]
00:43:55 ◼ ► The anxiety would be under a circumstance where say we spot it but it's a year away. [TS]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Way we're ninety nine percent certain it's going to hit and maybe we can pull a Hail Mary here [TS]
00:44:05 ◼ ► and get this thing off our path and like that's an anxious situation because the outcome is uncertain. [TS]
00:44:11 ◼ ► And then you have to deal with a large amount of time until the uncertainty is resolved that's no good [TS]
00:44:16 ◼ ► but if it was if it was like a done deal. Well you know there's nothing I can do about it. [TS]
00:44:20 ◼ ► So it is not a thing to be anxious about. That's crazy. That's not crazy that's completely reasonable. OK here it is. [TS]
00:44:29 ◼ ► Even if you don't even if you don't think that you could feel the way that I feel don't you agree that that position is [TS]
00:44:40 ◼ ► You know it would be reasonable if you were not a human who is a bit afraid of dying. [TS]
00:44:51 ◼ ► If you have a fear of death and what happens next or not next to it just don't want to die because. [TS]
00:44:57 ◼ ► Because you just like being alive. I think it would be natural to be very anxious in that way. [TS]
00:45:02 ◼ ► I very much like being alive and I can say that I have no fear of death. I have a fear about how I might die. [TS]
00:45:13 ◼ ► How do you for the way you phrase of how you would do well because you can die in numerous horrific ways. Right. [TS]
00:45:25 ◼ ► Yes Well that's right that's not how I would like my last moments to be you know in the worst agony I have ever [TS]
00:45:35 ◼ ► So that's why I can feel like I am I am concerned about how I would die but the dead part being dead is easy [TS]
00:45:45 ◼ ► Do you think going out with everyone else on earth in a huge asteroid impact would be a good way to go. [TS]
00:45:52 ◼ ► Do you think of all the of all the different ways to stop you know normally it's a very personal thing. [TS]
00:46:03 ◼ ► or some space collision how would you rate that on the thinking of the ways that you would [TS]
00:46:09 ◼ ► or would not like to leave your mortal coil. I would rank pretty low I would not want that to be. [TS]
00:46:15 ◼ ► That would not be like my top ten ways to go I love to take everybody with me take [TS]
00:46:23 ◼ ► Now this whole this holds no appeal to me to have some kind of blaze of glory for the whole species just because I'm [TS]
00:46:31 ◼ ► That's terrible I think you'd have to be some kind of well I mean maybe this is what you want [TS]
00:46:35 ◼ ► but I feel you have to be some kind of amazing narcissist to think that would be an awesome guy to have the whole world [TS]
00:46:47 ◼ ► when you think you think I'm going to go away I don't know it because there are other people you know kicking around on [TS]
00:46:53 ◼ ► the earth who are kind of like and I want them to you know I don't want them to go just because I'm gone. [TS]
00:46:59 ◼ ► But but we will go. So why no go holding hands but the other thing is you know I don't want humans to be wiped out. [TS]
00:47:09 ◼ ► I got there when he said Oh no I don't want humans to be wiped out I don't want humans to be wiped out [TS]
00:47:19 ◼ ► I do find something really cool about whole planets being wiped out in collisions like I think that's really cool that [TS]
00:47:31 ◼ ► It certainly is interesting that such huge things happen but if there are sentience beauties on those planets. [TS]
00:47:39 ◼ ► That's always that's what the poetry of isn't it amazing that you know that that that a sentience species can even [TS]
00:47:55 ◼ ► I can sort of see what you're saying but I also can't imagine anything more tragic. Yeah yeah. [TS]
00:48:00 ◼ ► Well that's the beauty in a tragic tragedies a beautiful thing out I'm going to go with no Shakespeare guided well from [TS]
00:48:12 ◼ ► People love a good tragedy I am a fan of tragedy in my drama I am not a fan of tragedy in the actual universe. [TS]
00:48:20 ◼ ► Well what do you think if the austerities found an asteroid was going to hit us they would tell us. [TS]
00:48:27 ◼ ► Well I mean here's the thing if I was in charge of the new I'm in charge of Greece Donia or whatever [TS]
00:48:34 ◼ ► and my scientific team to discover that the asteroid is on its way I would totally I would totally implement let's just [TS]
00:48:40 ◼ ► keep this quiet policy the uncertainty of how people how everything would go could be quite high [TS]
00:48:48 ◼ ► I don't I don't I guess the bottom line is I would not trust other people to act in the way that I would act in the [TS]
00:48:54 ◼ ► final week of existence which is which is what you'll find a way Clarke is a very peaceful time is that it's not it's [TS]
00:49:04 ◼ ► Well I mean who's going to take your money you spent all my money to who someone has to you know someone has to accept [TS]
00:49:12 ◼ ► Presumably your final we could be very decadent because you would just obviously exhaust your bank account. Yeah. [TS]
00:49:19 ◼ ► I'm not I think it would be it would be relatively relaxed I think I would probably go someplace just like relaxing [TS]
00:49:28 ◼ ► and you know that would be that I would go out it's like I have to spend all this money right now on all the things [TS]
00:49:37 ◼ ► Would you call me or say anything to me I guess it depends on how well I can thank you keep the secret. [TS]
00:49:47 ◼ ► But even if you were going to tell me would you like just call up and say you know you're a nice guy [TS]
00:50:11 ◼ ► or an asteroid coming back if I was dying for everyone in the world is done it would seem naturally quite this is with [TS]
00:50:22 ◼ ► and say I did think they usually do which is ask on Twitter if anybody has any questions for us I think that we should [TS]
00:50:27 ◼ ► talk about and there's actually a related question here which is why I ask you this first this is from Twitter. [TS]
00:50:33 ◼ ► Which of us do you think would survive longer if there was a zombie apocalypse. Maybe. [TS]
00:50:44 ◼ ► Yeah yeah why do you think you are. I think I would be more willing to get my hands dirty and do violent things. [TS]
00:51:00 ◼ ► Yes Now I know exactly where to hit him and that's a great show by the way walking dead. [TS]
00:51:06 ◼ ► You know pedal into zombie movies and that and my wife said I want to start watching this Walking Dead [TS]
00:51:15 ◼ ► Yeah I watched it I think I think there are there are complaints to be had about the show. [TS]
00:51:20 ◼ ► Yeah I think it's good moments are very good. Yeah but there are some sections that are not very good. [TS]
00:51:25 ◼ ► Yeah that's just generally the stories are pretty good like I'm just into the people [TS]
00:51:33 ◼ ► But they're just like they're just like the hazards like you know they're just a generic hazard that is just always [TS]
00:51:39 ◼ ► How do you think would last longer in a zombie apocalypse of the two of us there is no doubt about it that it would be [TS]
00:51:45 ◼ ► you who discussed previously you are hard as nails. That's true but I love hearing you say. [TS]
00:52:02 ◼ ► If civilization has really gone down and it's a we need to start over time forget it. [TS]
00:52:08 ◼ ► You go on without me everyone is another fortune you have you going to fuck this night like I'm going to die I just [TS]
00:52:17 ◼ ► I'm like this with plane crashes I just think I'd survive I think for some reason I just think it would be bad [TS]
00:52:22 ◼ ► but you know I get by the flip side of this is probably also be better for everybody if I did just take myself out as I [TS]
00:52:30 ◼ ► but if they if for some reason I did survive the zombie apocalypse now just like I'm going to go on. [TS]
00:52:37 ◼ ► I always find myself siding with the more ruthless characters and situations in any kind of zombie apocalypse section. [TS]
00:52:51 ◼ ► but I'm often thinking like no this is a zombie apocalypse like you gotta do whatever it takes to survive. [TS]
00:52:57 ◼ ► I thought some people were worried about how much we were without like we were fighting in the last pod cast that [TS]
00:53:05 ◼ ► It's OK we argue sometimes we are good friends just one of us is more informed than the other one. [TS]
00:53:25 ◼ ► and devour that much news I think people have to have may now have some impression that I'm just constantly reading [TS]
00:53:34 ◼ ► News maybe once or twice a week if it happens to coincide with when I'm having my dinner [TS]
00:53:39 ◼ ► and then I'll just have a quick look at the website a few times a day and so very often I'll just look at it [TS]
00:53:44 ◼ ► and go well that's boring and not ready to say I'm not like this news hound who isn't devouring everything. [TS]
00:53:51 ◼ ► Added I'm not justifying defending anything I'm just I just want people to realize that there's a kind of perfect [TS]
00:53:55 ◼ ► and it leads into something I've kind of wanted to be talking about for a little bit. [TS]
00:54:00 ◼ ► But I think that the news conversation brought it up and what would you said fit into that. [TS]
00:54:06 ◼ ► I'm not going try to coin a word for it but I feel like when there's like a half life to transmission of subtlety [TS]
00:54:24 ◼ ► And so to try to explain what I mean by this if you listen to our last episode we kind of fall victim to this where we [TS]
00:54:36 ◼ ► and even though both of us try very hard not to we end up having a conversation about whether or not the news is good [TS]
00:54:51 ◼ ► Devolve or are they dk into this kind of argument that just ends up as a like thing is all good [TS]
00:55:03 ◼ ► or interesting was why I was shockingly frustrating to try to listen to us talk about it last time [TS]
00:55:11 ◼ ► and I know you you said you felt like you didn't say things you wanted to say last time [TS]
00:55:17 ◼ ► but everything just kind of ends of devolving into a conversation about something being one hundred percent good [TS]
00:55:26 ◼ ► But like frustrating once you tune into it as a as a pattern I mean that I mean that was pretty fundamental to our [TS]
00:55:35 ◼ ► different views so because your whoa it feels like your one of your main reasons for not following you is that the news [TS]
00:55:51 ◼ ► Yeah yeah and so I think I think it's in some ways it's a necessary discussion. But yeah but what I mean is it is. [TS]
00:56:00 ◼ ► when other people listen to that conversation like you said they come away with this impression that you follow the [TS]
00:56:13 ◼ ► and I saw this in the conversation online people then talk about you as the defender of the perfect news [TS]
00:56:21 ◼ ► and then the flip happens as well as like C G P Gray knows nothing about the world [TS]
00:56:31 ◼ ► And this is this is what I mean by like there's like a decay of subtlety as a conversation continues there between two [TS]
00:56:40 ◼ ► and like another example which I think is just interesting to have seen because it's taking place over such a long [TS]
00:56:46 ◼ ► period of time is to jump back to some of our earlier podcast we were talking about language and you know whether [TS]
00:56:52 ◼ ► or not language you know we had a big debate on like the worthiness of languages and some sense of foreign languages [TS]
00:57:04 ◼ ► I don't think foreign languages should be required subjects in schools for multiple year periods of time which allows a [TS]
00:57:13 ◼ ► whole bunch of things. I think you know they should be optional things that people can take. [TS]
00:57:21 ◼ ► but I have been aware that even still on the Internet I get people yelling at me because they are of the opinion that I [TS]
00:57:28 ◼ ► just hate the existence of all foreign languages and this is what I mean by like this kind of decay it turns in. [TS]
00:57:40 ◼ ► And it's like it's hard to trans transmit for a long distance over time or in a conversation [TS]
00:57:49 ◼ ► I think it's also an interesting thing to keep in mind when you're hearing people talk about other people for example. [TS]
00:58:00 ◼ ► One of the pockets I really like to listen to is something called Intelligence Squared which is a debate podcast [TS]
00:58:09 ◼ ► Listening to that so much is because it's one of the few times I get to hear people that I don't agree with explain [TS]
00:58:18 ◼ ► themselves fully and I often find myself listening to that and thinking you know what you haven't changed my mind [TS]
00:58:33 ◼ ► or your position is not even remotely as unreasonable as I was under the impression that it was I guess this is just a [TS]
00:58:41 ◼ ► thing that I like I feel it's in. Especially on the Internet it's interesting to keep in mind that if the only thing. [TS]
00:58:49 ◼ ► If you've ever heard about somebody is what other people have said about that person. [TS]
00:58:55 ◼ ► That's just something to be aware of that like their their position is going to be magnified into a much more good [TS]
00:59:06 ◼ ► and kind of metta thing about all this is this is probably one of the biggest problems that the modern news media [TS]
00:59:11 ◼ ► suffers from is it's its desire for people to be polarized like a lot to be to be in Camp A or Camp A [TS]
00:59:19 ◼ ► and they have to pay no middle ground so it's funny that a discussion about the problems with news media has suffered [TS]
00:59:27 ◼ ► and over again was a question about oh you need to watch the news in order to be informed as a voter. [TS]
00:59:33 ◼ ► when you're watching the news if you're really watching the news how often are you learning something about the other [TS]
00:59:45 ◼ ► and how often are you just watching two two you haven't really confirmed that the other team is nothing [TS]
00:59:53 ◼ ► but one hundred percent evil and or stupid. That's the same kind of thing. Now again I'm not saying that there aren't. [TS]
01:00:03 ◼ ► but it doesn't change the fact that like very often people have more nuanced opinions than other people tell you they [TS]
01:00:10 ◼ ► have. I ran into this just so many times first handed when I was doing my my European Union video. [TS]
01:00:21 ◼ ► There is in particular a lot of I would say negative feelings towards the European Union. [TS]
01:00:28 ◼ ► Yeah it's much like it's measurable it's like on poles you can see that the U.K. People in the U.K. [TS]
01:00:37 ◼ ► and What I was doing research the video I came across just an enormous number of stories that seemed out rageous about [TS]
01:00:49 ◼ ► and without fail I would find the stories I think boy that is just unbelievable what a great piece of information to [TS]
01:00:54 ◼ ► include in a video and you go in the end you search it out and you find out what the situation is [TS]
01:00:59 ◼ ► and you go OK there was like some kernel of truth to this but you left out all of the contingencies [TS]
01:01:10 ◼ ► and if you include all the information suddenly it's like oh this is actually quite reasonable or boring [TS]
01:01:16 ◼ ► and say I just like stuff just gets totally magnified where it becomes just completely. Bad and some. [TS]
01:01:21 ◼ ► Some story about like a health regulation gets turned into a story about how all British oil production will be halted [TS]
01:01:33 ◼ ► and because you know what you've been saying to me you're crying out for a reason. [TS]
01:01:40 ◼ ► OK but here's one more reason for you to stop following the news and appeals to your statistical. [TS]
01:01:47 ◼ ► I'm going to postulate I'm going to put the idea out there that not following the news is one more data point that [TS]
01:02:03 ◼ ► There are certain things that if I know that someone I want I want to judge them I won't judge them. [TS]
01:02:10 ◼ ► But once these data points reach a critical mass you start to think hang on maybe discuss for example if I said to you [TS]
01:02:21 ◼ ► He always wears a top hat everywhere he goes he wears a top hat you know you're going to be OK Maybe we'll go out [TS]
01:02:35 ◼ ► and if you meet someone who says you know I will only eat oh oh food with my right hand [TS]
01:02:50 ◼ ► You learn those two facts about that same as you start and as you start finding out more [TS]
01:02:55 ◼ ► and more things about someone there is there are facts about someone like they're something. [TS]
01:03:00 ◼ ► It's a generic but there are some facts that put you either more likely to be less likely to be right [TS]
01:03:06 ◼ ► and I would say talk puts you in the category that carrot thing of what you're doing here is a Basie in calculation. [TS]
01:03:12 ◼ ► Yes And I'm saying and I'm saying if you were to take someone off the street and said I've got this friend [TS]
01:03:22 ◼ ► Never looks at a newspaper just just avoids the news if I said that about some of this might [TS]
01:03:32 ◼ ► But that be like OK what else can you tell me about him if he want to talk about like so I think I think you're a long [TS]
01:03:42 ◼ ► way from being aware and you know because I know you very well and you're completely normal [TS]
01:03:46 ◼ ► but what I'm saying is that is a data point that puts you on the widow spectrum I could not be less convinced by this [TS]
01:03:54 ◼ ► argument. Theoretical people I don't know might include this in the base of the income. [TS]
01:04:04 ◼ ► I was I was going to say that since we had that conversation I have been much more aware I was trying to go what you [TS]
01:04:11 ◼ ► and there's a couple things that I mentioned last time which of course is that you can't go on Twitter [TS]
01:04:16 ◼ ► or read it without coming across the news which can as well like I don't avoid the news but I don't seek it out [TS]
01:04:23 ◼ ► but of course I realize there's two other sort of big sources where I will see news without seeking it out. [TS]
01:04:29 ◼ ► And one of those is we have a subscription to The Economist in my house which might be as people it is a gift for my [TS]
01:04:37 ◼ ► wife she loves reading The Economist and so very often on the weekends she'll be drinking a cup of coffee [TS]
01:04:45 ◼ ► And since I take in the mail I always see the covers of The Economist I see the headline stories and [TS]
01:04:51 ◼ ► when my wife reads through it occasionally she brings up something that was of interest to her that she shall mention [TS]
01:04:58 ◼ ► So my I have my wife is kind of a filter and then I see the headlines on the Economist [TS]
01:05:03 ◼ ► and then the other place where I see the news which frankly if I could turn it off I would. [TS]
01:05:08 ◼ ► Is at the gym every time I go into the gym I don't know what I don't know if it's the same channel all the time [TS]
01:05:15 ◼ ► but they have the two huge impossible to avoid screens that just run the news all the time and. [TS]
01:05:26 ◼ ► and as far as I can tell it's almost always fires groups of like images of groups of people doing something that I have [TS]
01:05:39 ◼ ► and I think I went to that you know since that last time I've been to the gym I don't know [TS]
01:05:46 ◼ ► and I think I saw every single time I went in there there was an image of something on fire somewhere in the world [TS]
01:05:51 ◼ ► and his name boy those new people they love the fires they look so good on screen. [TS]
01:05:55 ◼ ► I don't think anything can burst into flames anywhere without it being covered on the news. You have got. [TS]
01:06:00 ◼ ► To read a book which was not recommended on inaudible I don't think of the humans you have got to read that book [TS]
01:06:16 ◼ ► So I like huge news events I will I will see them they'll be on the cover of The Economist. [TS]
01:06:20 ◼ ► They'll be on the new screen that when I go to the gym and you know I'll see them on the internet again. [TS]
01:06:30 ◼ ► and blinking lights on a screen counts as you devouring that news in any way whatsoever. [TS]
01:06:35 ◼ ► But sometimes the words are on the screen and I see something that seemed to go left and I was at the gym. [TS]
01:06:42 ◼ ► There were times there were some someone had flown a drone into the White House or something like I see what it is. [TS]
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01:08:46 ◼ ► Sure we talk about this interviewing of the oh yeah yeah this is kind of connected to this. [TS]
01:08:53 ◼ ► So before we start I think we should declare a conflict of interest here because Hank grain the model of brothers fame [TS]
01:09:02 ◼ ► in various other channels he would have to mention no doubt his business empire does sell out hello internet T. [TS]
01:09:08 ◼ ► Shirts along with other merchandise for both of us. Yes So we haven't an interest in Hank. [TS]
01:09:13 ◼ ► He's going to make us millionaires one day he better through it through the sale of T. Shirts and posters. [TS]
01:09:19 ◼ ► I think there's a lot for the Internet and for the world. Yes but he also sells our T. [TS]
01:09:24 ◼ ► Shirts and you know federal fund raising and stuff so is this conflict of interest everywhere which will declare [TS]
01:09:29 ◼ ► but OK But anyway let's forget about that and talk about why he's been in the news this week. [TS]
01:09:34 ◼ ► Hank along with two other You Tubers got a chance to interview the president the president of the United States you [TS]
01:09:42 ◼ ► Centric person you listen after the you know the only time you need to specify who the president is is if you're not [TS]
01:09:49 ◼ ► talking about the president of the United States you don't need to say the president of the United States. [TS]
01:10:00 ◼ ► There is no president of Australia and they didn't know that I'm very sorry brainy president of Burundi. [TS]
01:10:08 ◼ ► Apparently has a president so don't you follow the news about Brandy its a whole country. [TS]
01:10:22 ◼ ► I get the good times to live if you even know what digit beauty is yeah yeah yeah. [TS]
01:10:36 ◼ ► I'm disappointed that you don't follow politics everywhere in the world. I'm sorry. [TS]
01:10:56 ◼ ► Oh yeah for government you're left handed as a man and I did not know he was left handed. [TS]
01:11:08 ◼ ► and right handers we're just we're all just all people. I totally to really into left handedness. [TS]
01:11:14 ◼ ► Anyway let's get let's get back on track here. Hank wrote an article about the experience called holy. [TS]
01:11:24 ◼ ► Yes which I can't say because I has a swear word and that's what I was reading the title there. [TS]
01:11:31 ◼ ► There was a lot of talk about some of these youtube is ensuring the president and a lot of you know stuff going on [TS]
01:11:39 ◼ ► and got to the nub of what this was really about which is what I found interesting. [TS]
01:11:48 ◼ ► and You Tube One of the main things that Hank is talking about is is how the big news organizations all be little this [TS]
01:12:00 ◼ ► One of the interviewers is known for doing stunts on You Tube So the one that I'm most aware of was the cinnamon [TS]
01:12:12 ◼ ► but the challenge is basically to put a whole bunch of cinnamon in your mouth at once like this big spoonful of [TS]
01:12:28 ◼ ► But so of course the news media would open the segment about these are the people who interview the president [TS]
01:12:43 ◼ ► and you can do the same thing with you know you know with like Hanks videos you can go through [TS]
01:12:51 ◼ ► but look at the view to interview the president he has to try to skip a rant it wasn't because he's banks quite well [TS]
01:12:56 ◼ ► known for his sort of passionate rants about things that he's you know he's he's causing things [TS]
01:13:01 ◼ ► and that's exactly it so you can show a three second out of context clip of Hank being really ranting about something [TS]
01:13:11 ◼ ► but you couldn't do that with you know you could take you could take any section of this podcast [TS]
01:13:29 ◼ ► and how if if you're looking at particularly the younger demographics that they just don't view kind of mainstream news [TS]
01:13:41 ◼ ► And like it or not younger people have developed a relationship with people like Hank [TS]
01:13:48 ◼ ► and with other You Tubers because I mean particularly with the blog you see them two times every week you know you kind [TS]
01:13:55 ◼ ► of you know who they are you build up a relationship with them over time of watching. [TS]
01:14:02 ◼ ► and so it's not surprising that many people would be really interested to see an interview with people that they feel [TS]
01:14:09 ◼ ► they have some kind of connection with talking to the president and I just want to look it up actually. [TS]
01:14:15 ◼ ► And right now because the interview was uploaded to whitehouse dot gov And at the moment it is it is the sixth most [TS]
01:14:24 ◼ ► popular video on the channel and it's sixth with a bullet because it was uploaded five days ago [TS]
01:14:32 ◼ ► The number one video has seven million views and it is from two years ago and all the video the top at our one year [TS]
01:14:41 ◼ ► Like how many how many people watch an interview with the president on a regular news rashly I wonder how many people [TS]
01:14:52 ◼ ► I think he's you know he talked a bit about how the mainstream media has this legacy of being like the big the the go [TS]
01:15:00 ◼ ► and they've just shot themselves in the foot over time in how I feel Hank was saying you know these days people with [TS]
01:15:06 ◼ ► the authorities and just with all the things they do over the years and years I've lost and new people have come along. [TS]
01:15:14 ◼ ► and have fueled it so much if you keep it to fill the vacuum of kind of trusted people because young people just don't [TS]
01:15:24 ◼ ► The news channels so much anymore because they've just you know betrayed them a few too many times I think [TS]
01:15:33 ◼ ► and you know it makes sense you know makes you know of course a politician is going to utilize that land [TS]
01:15:39 ◼ ► and use that as an as an as a way to get to these audiences I think that's completely valid. [TS]
01:15:46 ◼ ► What what a politician would exploit that and you know the president said that himself didn't [TS]
01:15:51 ◼ ► and at the end of the kind of the interview he said Thanks Guys thanks for letting me get to your audience [TS]
01:16:00 ◼ ► Going to take the opportunity because as you know the president has been beneficial to both parties. [TS]
01:16:07 ◼ ► None of the people doing the interview aren't necessarily making claims that they are objective journalists. [TS]
01:16:17 ◼ ► His role in the interview that he was just going in as a citizen and doing an interview [TS]
01:16:25 ◼ ► but he wasn't going in there pretending to or genuinely trying to be some kind of completely objective person [TS]
01:16:34 ◼ ► and I mean obviously he's very he came across as very I thought I thought his questions were excellent. [TS]
01:16:50 ◼ ► It's more honest is not Hank They want much more of it so that he wore he wore on his sleeves not like sort of Fox who [TS]
01:16:59 ◼ ► but it's so we're as heck was very honest he's not pro about it I will ask you a few difficult questions because I want [TS]
01:17:17 ◼ ► and I do I do find it just almost offensive how much American news goes out of its way to tell you how objective it is [TS]
01:17:30 ◼ ► Play it like you have to experience this just constant cognitive dissonance when you're watching. Most American T.V. [TS]
01:17:39 ◼ ► or you can totally understand why people would be interested in seeing it because like I know this person is I have [TS]
01:17:44 ◼ ► some sense of where they stand and they're not pretending to be something that they're not. Anyway so there you go. [TS]
01:17:52 ◼ ► You can read Hanks article. You can even watch an interview the president and you know is maybe next year it will be. [TS]
01:17:59 ◼ ► Hello Internet. The cold up to meet the president and do the interview sounds like a lot of hassle. [TS]
01:18:04 ◼ ► Would you do it if you go fast. I don't know. Maybe men your parents would be so disappointed if you didn't. [TS]
01:18:18 ◼ ► OK You know that's not how I make decisions I think it would depend on a lot of the particulars I'm not sure I would be [TS]
01:18:28 ◼ ► but you should do it I don't think I would be appropriate after what after watching after watching [TS]
01:18:41 ◼ ► and I have to say as far as interviews with the president goes I enjoyed this one more than almost any other one of [TS]
01:18:49 ◼ ► but I just want to ask you from stuff I would love to see a Brady interview the president video because you always ask [TS]
01:18:59 ◼ ► when the president first sat down with Hank Hank made some joke about Thanks for having me in your house [TS]
01:19:04 ◼ ► and sort of stuff and the president of the company got two years left on the place and I hope I get my deposit back. [TS]
01:19:10 ◼ ► And some come and I thought it looked after and I just got cracking on the important issues of weapons and marijuana [TS]
01:19:17 ◼ ► and stuff but I would like to ask him Have you ever broken anything in the house but have you gone to open a door [TS]
01:19:26 ◼ ► or have you ever spilled something on a nice carpet like that because this is really sacred this building you have to [TS]
01:19:36 ◼ ► and I would love to see your interview with the man of the people get really mad at that I would say the reason people [TS]
01:19:42 ◼ ► say you shouldn't have a You Tube interview the president because it'll be like you got these fifteen minutes of the [TS]
01:19:54 ◼ ► and I'm like well he's always being asked about the big issues of the day I want to know you like. Other stuff. [TS]
01:20:04 ◼ ► I would be worried about that one of things I think about at the desk that the presidents have. [TS]
01:20:08 ◼ ► Yes it's for some reason I woke up and discovered that I was the president of America. [TS]
01:20:13 ◼ ► Step one would be OK look we need to get the desk out of here because I need to work on this thing [TS]
01:20:19 ◼ ► and I don't want to be worried about spilling coffee on this ink this historical object has been around forever. [TS]
01:20:26 ◼ ► But give me some other debts that I can work at for photo shoots will bring this thing in [TS]
01:20:32 ◼ ► But on a day to day basis I want something different they don't have to worry about every time I see that ask I think I [TS]
01:20:39 ◼ ► could not work on that surface I would be very nervous about it. You know presidents actually do. [TS]
01:20:46 ◼ ► Yeah I mean my question is do you really work at that with your morning routine like. [TS]
01:20:51 ◼ ► I don't think we're going to get the cold up and I have to say I was I was impressed but I know I was impressed but. [TS]
01:20:58 ◼ ► How did you know I had asked him a few questions but I think I was good and I was impressed by the S.S. [TS]
01:21:09 ◼ ► and it's loaded into an annual annual thing with Hank because I'll just be asking him all sorts of stupid stuff about [TS]
01:21:21 ◼ ► or in the future if you bring your Brady on that list maybe we should get him on the podcast. Do we do. [TS]
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01:23:06 ◼ ► Wow amazing I don't know if I have anything to say I don't have much about You Tube [TS]
01:23:11 ◼ ► and some who are so out of the news cycle because of our recording schedule that by the time it goes up I don't know [TS]
01:23:17 ◼ ► maybe things will have changed the thing I think I want to talk about was this article by Keating do you know is that [TS]
01:23:27 ◼ ► She's a musician not a quest excess with musician on You Tube and so are we kidding is this musician [TS]
01:23:37 ◼ ► and as far as I can tell she is the only person that I have ever bought a complete album from what I really like that [TS]
01:23:50 ◼ ► when I want something to listen to that doesn't have English lyrics in it it is her playing the cello looped over [TS]
01:24:09 ◼ ► I really like your I highly recommend her music and yes the only the only albums I have ever bought and bought [TS]
01:24:18 ◼ ► when I thought I got a new album is going to buy it I don't even need to listen to what I write and I really like it. [TS]
01:24:23 ◼ ► High price but she didn't write this article about what it's like making modern classical music. [TS]
01:24:30 ◼ ► I'm going about this kind of you know I'm shepherding Yeah I'm shepherding you along. Thank you very much. [TS]
01:24:38 ◼ ► Basically get to the point that she wrote this article called What should I do about You Tube. [TS]
01:24:44 ◼ ► The bottom line is she puts her music up on You Tube We think of You Tube as a video platform [TS]
01:24:57 ◼ ► If you actually just look at the view numbers music dominates by this enormous amount I mean in the eyes of each week [TS]
01:25:07 ◼ ► we don't think just because we think we're the center of the universe but very occasionally you get this glimpse [TS]
01:25:12 ◼ ► when you cheapen things and in the eyes of each other there's always musicians and then maybe some gamers and stuff [TS]
01:25:19 ◼ ► but always music making the most money and we have just nothing like people making videos that we make. [TS]
01:25:36 ◼ ► or ninety five percent of our advertising revenue comes from people watching music videos everything else right from [TS]
01:25:42 ◼ ► pupae down to the tiniest bloggers is less than five percent of our revenue. You know I would be not surprised at all. [TS]
01:25:50 ◼ ► Yeah because when you look at how much the music is listen to it is just phenomenal. [TS]
01:26:00 ◼ ► And so not surprisingly You Tube has been working on developing a platform to to leverage this. [TS]
01:26:20 ◼ ► and they get some premium features one of which is that there won't be ads on their music videos if they're signed up [TS]
01:26:29 ◼ ► Like my my my wife uses youtube almost exclusively to listen to music which I find interesting [TS]
01:26:40 ◼ ► and I feel I guess I would happily have her paid to go on to the service so that when we're just listening to music [TS]
01:26:45 ◼ ► and she's running it on these these automatically generated playlists on You Tube We don't have that that would be [TS]
01:26:55 ◼ ► and said hey if you're going to put your music on You Tube You have to agree to all of our terms [TS]
01:27:05 ◼ ► And the bullet point for the terms are one that all of the music that you have on you tube. Must be monetized. [TS]
01:27:25 ◼ ► Now you know you have to have ads on the video because presumably You Tube wants to provide an incentive for people to [TS]
01:27:32 ◼ ► The second thing which is the really big deal is that all of the music must be on You Tube so she can't decide to say [TS]
01:27:40 ◼ ► oh mommy going to put up my old music on You Tube Now everything has to be on You Tube that she makes [TS]
01:27:46 ◼ ► and any time she releases anywhere else she has to release the music at the same time on youtube. [TS]
01:27:54 ◼ ► So this is basically a a like a no exclusivity deal if she something that she might want to do. [TS]
01:28:00 ◼ ► Which is something like something I wish I could do is hey I would love to be able to give the music to the people who [TS]
01:28:14 ◼ ► Now as soon as it's available it has to also be available on You Tube so you can't do any exclusive things [TS]
01:28:21 ◼ ► and then the final one which to me is the mindblowing one is she has to sign a contract with You Tube to agree to these [TS]
01:28:29 ◼ ► terms for five years or five years so that's good at least two shows Google doesn't know something about an asteroid [TS]
01:28:39 ◼ ► and telling us I guess now I mean like maybe people don't think that these are draconian terms they are really limiting [TS]
01:28:53 ◼ ► Anywhere else she has a different account to us doesn't she she has like a musician's You Tube account. [TS]
01:28:58 ◼ ► Yeah it's the perks of the musician's account that we don't have. What's what's she getting in exchange for this. [TS]
01:29:07 ◼ ► Presumably she is going to get a cut of the money that comes from You Tube's music service. [TS]
01:29:12 ◼ ► Yeah I don't know any of the details of that it would be insanity if she wasn't of course here [TS]
01:29:20 ◼ ► but I was going to keep doing what I've normally been doing that's not an option for her as well apparently she's [TS]
01:29:27 ◼ ► and it's a big it's a big deal because it's obvious that we Keating is the one who wrote this up [TS]
01:29:38 ◼ ► You make music you want to put it up on You Tube You are going to be sucked into their music program [TS]
01:29:43 ◼ ► and then suddenly you can't do any kind of special deals anywhere else if you want to put up your music without ads [TS]
01:29:52 ◼ ► and you have to be locked in for five years I can understand if I said you can't put on another video. [TS]
01:30:03 ◼ ► and it's going to I'm just going to sell it on i Tunes or on my own personal site. Yeah. [TS]
01:30:08 ◼ ► Nope it's all your music are belong to us. So the five year thing to me seems really just crazy limiting. [TS]
01:30:18 ◼ ► and actually is it in just a couple days it will be my four year anniversary on You Tube from uploading that U.K. [TS]
01:30:26 ◼ ► So like five years going forward is longer than I have been a professional You Tuber [TS]
01:30:32 ◼ ► and that whole thing you know didn't start very long before me. Five years is forever on the Internet. Yeah. [TS]
01:30:38 ◼ ► Internet yours are Fibonacci dog years so stick with me on the phone for a second. [TS]
01:30:46 ◼ ► You've already got me good so a dog year is seven years and the Fibonacci sequence is [TS]
01:30:51 ◼ ► when you keep summing up the previous results. Yeah one year is seven years. Two years is fourteen years. [TS]
01:31:02 ◼ ► Two years fourteen years three years on the internet though is the sum of the previous two. [TS]
01:31:09 ◼ ► So in twenty one years in an in real life for Internet years then is thirty five years [TS]
01:31:17 ◼ ► and five Internet years from my perspective is like fifty six years in the normal world. [TS]
01:31:23 ◼ ► and I think maybe you slug ever started a case where I don't think I have slightly overstated the case I think five [TS]
01:31:28 ◼ ► years being fifty years is about the same I have been doing this for about five or five years. [TS]
01:31:35 ◼ ► You had you had a whole life time and I don't feel like a fifty six years but I'll give you twenty years. [TS]
01:31:42 ◼ ► I have companies come to me with some terrible business proposal and you know they want me to sign something [TS]
01:31:50 ◼ ► and it's for Internet business for three years or five years or whatever and I would just [TS]
01:32:00 ◼ ► Just the massive massive opportunity cost of not knowing what is going to be the situation on the internet five years [TS]
01:32:10 ◼ ► I just think things change so fast on the Internet that you you can't promise anything five years from now I mean your [TS]
01:32:20 ◼ ► cat is but you told me about a deal you did recently where you said OK let's try it for a month and you did. [TS]
01:32:25 ◼ ► And after a week you were like I need out of this. So we don't we don't we don't have to be specific about that. [TS]
01:32:35 ◼ ► But but yes there there was a business arrangement where I refused to commit for more than thirty days [TS]
01:32:50 ◼ ► or three year relationship you know it's like that's exactly like I should figure out what that is that is about as far [TS]
01:32:59 ◼ ► but I guess I just think like trying to project forward into the future like that is just is just crazy I mean you [TS]
01:33:11 ◼ ► and then to to commit to a system where you can't do anything really exclusive for five years into the future. [TS]
01:33:24 ◼ ► It's way too much to ask I don't know I mean were they offering her like a big bucket load of money from the start [TS]
01:33:34 ◼ ► The impression that I get is that no they're not being offered anything if you want to make your music on You Tube You [TS]
01:33:40 ◼ ► have to you have to get into the system. What's what do I take from this great Come on. [TS]
01:33:54 ◼ ► You Tube is not You Tube has every right to do this. You Tube is a company and they're offering a service. [TS]
01:34:05 ◼ ► The number of things I don't have to worry about because You Tube takes care of it is a lot you know I want to try to [TS]
01:34:16 ◼ ► and in some sense well they can do what they want with it if they want to change the way music operates on their [TS]
01:34:22 ◼ ► service. Well you don't pay anything for You Tube It's just a question of do you think this is worth it or not. [TS]
01:34:31 ◼ ► and they're giving all musicians really is a moment of it's my way or the highway. They have every right to do that. [TS]
01:34:41 ◼ ► and I really feel that strongly now that good God does the Internet need a real competitor to You Tube This is this is [TS]
01:34:55 ◼ ► Forcing people into a terrible deal because there's no there's no competition really that exists right now. [TS]
01:35:05 ◼ ► Because if if there was some kind of viable competition for You Tube they wouldn't feel as comfortable as comfortable [TS]
01:35:18 ◼ ► Everyone knows I like economics right so there's this funny situation where You Tube is kind of a monopoly that if you [TS]
01:35:30 ◼ ► But they're also this thing which is called a monopsony which is an economic term for [TS]
01:35:37 ◼ ► when there is only one buyer of something but there are very many producers. That's also a really terrible situation. [TS]
01:35:51 ◼ ► Like many musicians who produce content in video form. But if you want to make any money off of you. Or productions. [TS]
01:36:01 ◼ ► Really the only buyer of those products in town is You Tube and it's just it's just not a good situation. [TS]
01:36:10 ◼ ► I would genuinely wish that there was a competitor to You Tube And I think that competition make would make everybody [TS]
01:36:17 ◼ ► better off. I think it would it would provide incentives to You Tube to improve their system. [TS]
01:36:26 ◼ ► when we mentioned several episodes ago that we heard you know whispers on the wind that Yahoo was going to create a [TS]
01:36:37 ◼ ► I was genuinely hoping that that was real that that Yahoo would announce OK we have we have some competition to to put [TS]
01:36:48 ◼ ► Clearly we're saying Facebook May he moves away because Facebook Not only are they pushing their video harder [TS]
01:36:54 ◼ ► and harder they're pushing they're beginning to push You Tube or Facebook in funny kinds of ways and it's harder [TS]
01:37:08 ◼ ► and watch destines freebasing video we talked about earlier and that summarizes my attitude to Facebook and video. [TS]
01:37:15 ◼ ► But putting putting the freebooting thing aside. Yeah Facebook is obviously getting into the video business. [TS]
01:37:20 ◼ ► Yeah and this to me is is even worse. Oh OK Well You Tube takes a huge portion of the advertising money. [TS]
01:37:34 ◼ ► But Facebook's business seems to be oh you can upload your video to Facebook please do that. [TS]
01:37:40 ◼ ► We're just going to keep all of them like that surely that's a precursor to that changing. [TS]
01:37:45 ◼ ► Surely the plan is going to pay they're going to as it becomes more popular. Maybe it's not on Facebook pretty rubbish. [TS]
01:37:53 ◼ ► Face Facebook is terrible and it doesn't it doesn't fill me with hope when they're clearly getting in. [TS]
01:38:01 ◼ ► but the starting point is you get zero percent of the money if you make a video for you to kind of split it with with [TS]
01:38:10 ◼ ► You Tube But Facebook is just like I don't want to take all of it you will get none of the advertising revenue you will [TS]
01:38:16 ◼ ► just be happy to have the views that that video game. Hope you hope you enjoy those. [TS]
01:38:21 ◼ ► So so Facebook is kind of worse than a Facebook turns out to be the You Tube competitor I'm not sure that that's a huge [TS]
01:38:29 ◼ ► I don't know about you I think you fall into this category and I definitely fall into this category that [TS]
01:38:34 ◼ ► when I started on You Tube views was all I wanted when I started getting money it wasn't even an option yet [TS]
01:38:41 ◼ ► and one day about this email saying I do want to start you know going to be his partner program [TS]
01:38:50 ◼ ► So to save I mean maybe at the start maybe Facebook is going through what you went through. [TS]
01:38:55 ◼ ► Obviously you know they were in a moment you a sense in the day just at the moment these are all people one [TS]
01:39:01 ◼ ► and then later on it'll be well OK now it's time to share the love kind of like You Tube Did you know start it was just [TS]
01:39:08 ◼ ► people were just happy for them to have their videos on the Internet and then suddenly I know I realize now people [TS]
01:39:14 ◼ ► when people stop putting videos on the Internet they're thinking money from the start [TS]
01:39:17 ◼ ► but a lot of people don't just didn't used to start that way. That's true but we're also at a different situation. [TS]
01:39:26 ◼ ► How much advertising was on You Tube But still you're right whereas Facebook is starting with advertising everywhere. [TS]
01:39:35 ◼ ► when I started as well the partner program was invitation only which is which is not the case anymore. [TS]
01:39:40 ◼ ► and I got an automated email from You Tube saying that my first video had Ted trip their system of a video getting too [TS]
01:39:46 ◼ ► popular and even then it was back in the back in the day kids. I could only monetize that video. [TS]
01:39:54 ◼ ► I wasn't even approved to monetize everything. So you two have really limited ads as far as I can remember. [TS]
01:40:00 ◼ ► Part I like the rest of my videos did not have ads on them where very different positions here [TS]
01:40:08 ◼ ► when I want to suddenly start sharing if some viable competitor to You Tube came along I would feel like yes I would be [TS]
01:40:18 ◼ ► But with Facebook it's like boy if I have if I have to choose between the two of you are not using Facebook because [TS]
01:40:26 ◼ ► that's that's an even that's an even worse Dowrick you haven't got a choice people to steal your videos [TS]
01:40:30 ◼ ► and put them on Facebook now anyway. Yes You know I'm already on Facebook search for me I love it. [TS]
01:40:36 ◼ ► People always mention when this when this topic comes up is people talk about Vimeo. [TS]
01:40:45 ◼ ► but they are they are the exact reverse of You Tube in that they're the people who use Vimeo behave in MEO. [TS]
01:40:57 ◼ ► So if you want to host videos on Vimeo you can pay me Oh so that you can have more videos at one time on their service [TS]
01:41:18 ◼ ► and I think that's why because video is more like a like a portfolio for people who want to show off a limited number [TS]
01:41:25 ◼ ► of videos in a like an exclusive way. What's the incentive that you haven't got over that. [TS]
01:41:30 ◼ ► Crap around I have to say that I think that it just kind of looks nice IMO I'm aware sometimes if I go to a big [TS]
01:41:37 ◼ ► and they've just bedded a You Tube video I often feel like boy that looks a little ghetto that just looks good [TS]
01:41:43 ◼ ► and looks awful on your site is classier teased in the air I can say the You Tube user it is totally classier to use [TS]
01:41:53 ◼ ► Yeah and to me it was a great compromise because too many companies also then try to go too far [TS]
01:41:57 ◼ ► and host their own video as I don't do. Or that you just go with him you know it just looks nicer. [TS]
01:42:02 ◼ ► Yeah but then if you're a big company you pay to have that video on video and you pay to have it you know show knife [TS]
01:42:10 ◼ ► So they they can't be an option for people like us who make money on the fact that lots of people watch our videos they [TS]
01:42:19 ◼ ► would just be a would be a money would be a money think it would be a money generator. [TS]
01:42:28 ◼ ► and saying this E G P Very has brought to you by McDonald's and you just getting McDonald's to give you the money [TS]
01:42:34 ◼ ► and put it in your hand and then putting it on Facebook where millions and millions of people say it [TS]
01:42:38 ◼ ► and Facebook take a little bit on the side where they're running their crappy ads next to I mean is that the future is [TS]
01:42:47 ◼ ► Obviously you know if it's one of these things we're going to talk about the You Tube business the split between [TS]
01:42:54 ◼ ► creators and You Tube is forty five fifty five percent so creators keep fifty five percent of revenue [TS]
01:43:04 ◼ ► and also those ads are worth very little on any particular view. We're not allowed to divulge the exact numbers but. [TS]
01:43:14 ◼ ► This is this is why if you want to make a living purely from the You Tube advertising you need to hit big numbers every [TS]
01:43:37 ◼ ► when you talk about how many views is equal to how much how much money I bring all of that up simply to say this is one [TS]
01:43:51 ◼ ► and it's why they turn to things like sponsors in their own videos because that kind of stuff makes much more of a day. [TS]
01:44:00 ◼ ► and it's the very fact that people can do that that kind of gives me hope for the possibility of a genuine U two competitor [TS]
01:44:13 ◼ ► Yeah if you could generate a large enough audience that are in the videos themselves can support creators [TS]
01:44:26 ◼ ► and I also just think a competitor could just simply undercut you too I don't know the details with server costs [TS]
01:44:32 ◼ ► and bandwidth costs which must just be gigantic. But Apple gets by on their thirty percent. [TS]
01:44:40 ◼ ► and say oh we're only going to take thirty percent of the advertising revenue instead of forty five percent. [TS]
01:44:49 ◼ ► You've got so many subscribers on You Tube and you can just transfer that audience to something. [TS]
01:44:57 ◼ ► What if they spot if they put the five year handcuffs on me so I said great five years. [TS]
01:45:04 ◼ ► Only you know what the video service or no more video than your account place. Yeah that would be interesting. [TS]
01:45:12 ◼ ► and according to you that people are within their rights their business they can do it I would say they would be well [TS]
01:45:28 ◼ ► and they're not like a you know a you know provider of service like water or something. [TS]
01:45:37 ◼ ► and they are big enough now that that would I don't agree I feel like it would be a super scummy thing to do. [TS]
01:45:44 ◼ ► But they're clearly doing that with with you know musicians already if you two came to me tomorrow [TS]
01:45:50 ◼ ► and said You have to sign a five year contract with us we're going to give you no benefit whatsoever [TS]
01:46:03 ◼ ► I might actually just say screw it I will go to Vimeo and I will I will try to depend on crowd funding [TS]
01:46:12 ◼ ► and inbuilt ads just immediately because a five year contract to me is just crazy. [TS]
01:46:17 ◼ ► I feel like I could not I couldn't possibly sign a contract that was five years long. [TS]
01:46:23 ◼ ► What are we doing in five years I would like to stay on You Tube I feel no reason to leave [TS]
01:46:28 ◼ ► but one of the things I mean in this is is this a conflict of interest I don't know but I like I have I have P.T. [TS]
01:46:36 ◼ ► and one of the things I have often wished that I could do is is what I said at the beginning is I wish there was some [TS]
01:46:49 ◼ ► and I've never quite found a way I like to work on my number for a picture I just I upload it unlisted [TS]
01:46:55 ◼ ► and sometimes I just send them the link the picture on supporters at a certain level I say he's the next member of our [TS]
01:47:10 ◼ ► Sometimes the problem is I'm I can only do that for a few hours just to make sure that there's not some kind of huge [TS]
01:47:18 ◼ ► problem like you know what I mean is is there not some kind of problem in the video itself. [TS]
01:47:28 ◼ ► when I put it on listed it gets submitted just like immediately. So that's the kind of problem. [TS]
01:47:36 ◼ ► But if there was some technical way to to show it directly to my page on its supporters first I would totally love to [TS]
01:47:48 ◼ ► Today I know you and anything you release you have to release on us at the same time [TS]
01:47:53 ◼ ► and I just feel like man even though I can't technically do that that clause is just it is death. There's another. [TS]
01:48:07 ◼ ► and this is something that happened with me I have heard a number fall for example [TS]
01:48:12 ◼ ► when it first started was funded some seed funding from You Tube This was years ago now but it was nice [TS]
01:48:25 ◼ ► and that's how they made their money back and it gave me a chance to start a new channel [TS]
01:48:33 ◼ ► but sometimes I would do a video where I thought it would be inappropriate to have advertising on them an example would [TS]
01:48:43 ◼ ► or you were doing something that was charitable just a video where you felt like it would be really crass to put [TS]
01:48:56 ◼ ► but we can put ads in this video it's just not right and they were always completely fine with it. [TS]
01:49:10 ◼ ► but I can imagine signing one of these deals could put you in an interesting position where sometimes you just don't [TS]
01:49:16 ◼ ► want to have advertising on your video. Sometimes it would just spoiler it seems inappropriate. [TS]
01:49:22 ◼ ► or not these these new handcuffs that I think talked about could create problems there as well. [TS]
01:49:27 ◼ ► When it when it becomes less of a one on one relationship and you can no longer just email someone [TS]
01:49:31 ◼ ► and say you know can I have an exception. You know it's going to get it's going to get messy. [TS]
01:49:36 ◼ ► Shootings later with my own fund raising so I don't have advertising on either of the videos where I'm talking about [TS]
01:49:44 ◼ ► Yeah and because it's like you said it would just be just be crass to do that it would just be so disrespectful and [TS]
01:50:03 ◼ ► Yeah and I feel like that's a fair trade off where people are directly supporting me [TS]
01:50:14 ◼ ► and so that's kind of the promise you've made and that was kind of the carrot you dangled when you define race [TS]
01:50:18 ◼ ► and you said if you help me in this way I'll help you in this way and not put these stupid pop up ads on. [TS]
01:50:30 ◼ ► and I feel like you know I feel a lot better that I don't have the stupid pop up ads on my videos [TS]
01:50:35 ◼ ► and I know that tons of people support me because of that but I don't have those those bottom third ads [TS]
01:50:41 ◼ ► but if you two came along I said Now if you going to monetize it it has to be everything. [TS]
01:50:45 ◼ ► So OK Well you know this is this is a this is a problem. They have so much power to tell you because they can. [TS]
01:50:50 ◼ ► They could also say well OK if you don't sign on to the the You Tube go deluxe five year contract we're no longer going [TS]
01:50:58 ◼ ► to deliver to your subscribers so we're no longer going to recommend your videos as all these different ways they could. [TS]
01:51:03 ◼ ► Punitively punishing this article definitely caught my attention because of all of these things [TS]
01:51:07 ◼ ► and as it directly relates to our living like all of the people I just I love that people can create videos just in [TS]
01:51:15 ◼ ► their house they can put them on the Internet and everybody can watch them like this whole system is is great [TS]
01:51:24 ◼ ► and sort of like we were saying before how You Tube is actually just primarily a music service [TS]
01:51:34 ◼ ► and wonder that that they won't actually be bothered to implement anything like this for the video creator because [TS]
01:51:42 ◼ ► That's exactly like it doesn't it doesn't matter that it's not even worth it to them to set up some kind of system that [TS]
01:51:48 ◼ ► they would try to long for the administration of the contracts wouldn't be working and I think that's exactly or [TS]
01:51:54 ◼ ► or just like the rabble rousing like who wants to deal with this headache of listening to all these. [TS]
01:52:00 ◼ ► People complain especially great has the ear of the president. Youtube bloggers a direct line to the White House. [TS]
01:52:09 ◼ ► but I you know that the music thing really has me thinking you know it's you know there's some other stuff I can't [TS]
01:52:14 ◼ ► quite talk about but it like there's a lot of there's a lot of behind the scenes changes going on in my own business [TS]
01:52:20 ◼ ► and boy does this article just makes me think like man I'm kind of wary of You Tube just in general [TS]
01:52:30 ◼ ► It gives me it gives me a lot of sympathy for the you know the part that I listen to which have Apple developers on [TS]
01:52:42 ◼ ► and I have a lot of sympathy for guys who are completely dependent on Apple for their living. [TS]
01:52:48 ◼ ► You know where where Apple can make changes that's the same as the same kind of thing there were Apple runs this whole [TS]
01:52:56 ◼ ► It's either you develop for Apple or you don't develop rapport. You have nothing over them really. [TS]
01:53:01 ◼ ► You're just yapping to them and you know and it's very apparent you're very important it's a very scary thing. [TS]
01:53:09 ◼ ► I don't know I mean you should you know Google via sort of the same thing I have always been good to you know that been [TS]
01:53:17 ◼ ► good to us I think it's a nice and I don't know it's a bit like I said I don't know I hope the dog that I love [TS]
01:53:25 ◼ ► and I've had a really good relationship with for a few years isn't going to bite me in the face one day. [TS]
01:53:29 ◼ ► Yes I mean obviously you know I wouldn't I wouldn't be here doing this pod cast right now without you two. [TS]
01:53:38 ◼ ► when people talk about having having you know a loyalty to the company that you work for [TS]
01:53:46 ◼ ► and it gives you this whole life that you have you have to keep a sharp eye on what the company actually is. [TS]
01:53:51 ◼ ► Yes I was like yes I owe my current career to the fact that You Tube is able to distribute my videos to millions of [TS]
01:54:00 ◼ ► Have ads in front of those videos I don't you know I don't have to be involved in any of that [TS]
01:54:05 ◼ ► So in that sense I am very grateful to You Tube But you know I'm under under no delusion that You Tube is that You Tube [TS]
01:54:14 ◼ ► didn't didn't do that out of the goodness of their hearts they do that because they're a company [TS]
01:54:18 ◼ ► and they make money off of those advertisements as well as a just you know you have to be cautious about. [TS]
01:54:24 ◼ ► You have to be cautious about the thing and I use You Tube because you know it's a beneficial relationship to me [TS]
01:54:31 ◼ ► and you two benefits because they take forty five percent of the advertising revenue which you know is fine high [TS]
01:54:40 ◼ ► but I would I would love to see some kind of competitor come into existence of the bottom line to have some sort of [TS]
01:54:48 ◼ ► option. So I don't feel like I'm so dependent on You Tube and other not this monopoly monopsony. [TS]
01:54:59 ◼ ► If you'd like to buy Helaman T. Shirt and you can find the details in the video description you know. [TS]
01:55:07 ◼ ► All joking all joking aside one of the thing I like about podcasts is I live as I like that podcasts are not centrally [TS]
01:55:17 ◼ ► but the podcast world it's there isn't anything like You Tube in the pod cast. It's the Wild West. [TS]
01:55:37 ◼ ► but there are like there are really three three technologies that are on the Internet that aren't really controlled by [TS]
01:55:45 ◼ ► anybody and they are the Web protocol for serving web pages. There's e-mail and there's R.S.S. [TS]
01:55:53 ◼ ► Which are all these these agreements which allow information to be transmitted back [TS]
01:55:56 ◼ ► and forth about anybody being in control and. Podcasts are riding on top of that R.S.S. Layer. [TS]
01:56:13 ◼ ► and So we don't have to feel like oh boy there's a big company that all the podcast live on and we don't [TS]
01:56:19 ◼ ► and we have to agree to whatever terms they say because otherwise nobody will get our podcasts. [TS]
01:56:30 ◼ ► and I think that that is that's one thing that makes the podcast world just feels very different. [TS]
01:56:35 ◼ ► There are there are companies that are trying to take over the podcast world and I wish them nothing but ill will [TS]
01:56:46 ◼ ► and I like that so you don't have to you don't have to buy you should buy halogen a T. [TS]
01:56:54 ◼ ► Shirt and a CD if you're a teacher for support of the You Tube I think that the that's a scary one. Yeah yeah. [TS]
01:57:01 ◼ ► But they take it to us. Teachers are nice and we can each sign a letter if we ever do a public event again. [TS]
01:57:09 ◼ ► He signed a letter you know in Alabama if you signed something I would always sign the I advised her that we're not [TS]
01:57:17 ◼ ► paying attention to that I wasn't really you know I don't remember ever signing ahead of expectation that you had [TS]
01:57:25 ◼ ► and you know it's because everybody loves Brady That's why they were going over to get the Brady signature no more [TS]