The Incomparable

205: Love Machine


00:00:00   the incomparable number 200 fine just [TS]

00:00:13   welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:14   uncomfortable podcast I'm your host [TS]

00:00:15   Jason L and in this episode we're going [TS]

00:00:17   to be talking about brad bird's 1999 [TS]

00:00:21   animated motion picture the movie made [TS]

00:00:24   before he made the incredibles it's the [TS]

00:00:26   iron giant it was a box office bomb but [TS]

00:00:28   it is universally loved by critics and [TS]

00:00:31   by many people out there and has had [TS]

00:00:33   quite a following after it left the [TS]

00:00:36   theaters that nobody the empty theaters [TS]

00:00:38   and went on and a home video where it is [TS]

00:00:41   is beloved we're going to talk about it [TS]

00:00:42   tonight [TS]

00:00:43   let me introduce the the panel that is [TS]

00:00:45   going to be discussing the iron giant [TS]

00:00:47   with me David laura is out there [TS]

00:00:49   hi David hello there good to have you [TS]

00:00:51   Steve let's also out there hi Steve [TS]

00:00:55   hey there scout very nice everybody [TS]

00:01:00   drink some espresso and Tony sindelar [TS]

00:01:03   joins us tell me it's good to have you [TS]

00:01:05   here [TS]

00:01:06   hey squirrels in my pants Jason it's [TS]

00:01:07   climbing its way out of here yeah [TS]

00:01:09   everybody avert your eyes [TS]

00:01:13   John syracuse oh we we we have to when [TS]

00:01:15   we're talking about animated films we [TS]

00:01:17   have to have you here thanks for being [TS]

00:01:18   here [TS]

00:01:19   I like bread before was cool you know [TS]

00:01:21   yeah and I called in the big guns for [TS]

00:01:25   this one also somebody i enjoy talking [TS]

00:01:28   about animated movies with Merlin man is [TS]

00:01:31   back hi Merlin no I remember the raccoon [TS]

00:01:33   boy i love it when people come prepared [TS]

00:01:38   with references because i don't so I'm [TS]

00:01:41   glad you guys are picking up the slack [TS]

00:01:42   for me that this great so we I so like I [TS]

00:01:46   said 1999 brad bird made this movie [TS]

00:01:48   traditional animation it was costs like [TS]

00:01:53   70 million dollars and made made 30 [TS]

00:01:56   million yeah ouch so so I don't know [TS]

00:02:01   quite where to start because i never do [TS]

00:02:03   with these things i guess i should ask [TS]

00:02:04   if anybody has any opening remarks to [TS]

00:02:06   give up this film because now would be a [TS]

00:02:08   good time because it's the opening [TS]

00:02:10   nothing all right you did [TS]

00:02:13   you've dragged it out of me haha oh [TS]

00:02:15   that's harder than usual i don't have a [TS]

00:02:18   weii i do have a thing to start with and [TS]

00:02:21   the thing I think I thought of room we [TS]

00:02:23   watching this is that this movie we just [TS]

00:02:26   discussed this movie has a lot of [TS]

00:02:27   problems as a product because as a [TS]

00:02:30   product as as conceived it's a it's a [TS]

00:02:33   family movie you know for children and [TS]

00:02:36   adults set in a time period no children [TS]

00:02:39   will have any memory of or poor the poor [TS]

00:02:42   the parents of those children quite [TS]

00:02:43   frankly yeah or maybe that maybe it'll [TS]

00:02:45   be like their parents memories or [TS]

00:02:47   whatever and the the underlying themes [TS]

00:02:49   of the movie are it's not just arbitrary [TS]

00:02:52   the setting like that the themes of the [TS]

00:02:54   movie are intertwined with this whole [TS]

00:02:57   Cold War setting and everything and so [TS]

00:02:59   and you know there's no cute animal [TS]

00:03:01   sidekick [TS]

00:03:02   there's no royalty there's no monsters [TS]

00:03:07   it is yes it does not work well on paper [TS]

00:03:10   if you were to if you're goddamn right [TS]

00:03:12   it almost makes me that this movie got [TS]

00:03:14   made because it doesn't look like it [TS]

00:03:15   should work at all and truth be told [TS]

00:03:17   watching it back again some parts of it [TS]

00:03:19   work for fine for me as an adult I'm [TS]

00:03:22   like our kids ever gonna lie I kind of [TS]

00:03:25   understand why didn't make a lot of [TS]

00:03:27   money which is a shame because it's a [TS]

00:03:28   great movie but it it [TS]

00:03:30   alchemist a little conceived but I just [TS]

00:03:33   think like boy how did he ever manage to [TS]

00:03:35   get this made while reading up on the [TS]

00:03:37   production on the ever useful wikipedia [TS]

00:03:40   it sounds like just as they were ramping [TS]

00:03:44   up production on this thing quest for [TS]

00:03:45   camelot came out and did absolutely [TS]

00:03:48   horribly and kind of threw the whole the [TS]

00:03:52   whole Warner Brothers animation studio [TS]

00:03:55   into whack and somehow that translates [TS]

00:03:58   to them not paying that much attention [TS]

00:04:00   what Brad Bird was doing on this [TS]

00:04:02   production and him being allowed to do [TS]

00:04:03   basically whatever the heck you wanted [TS]

00:04:05   not sure how that works exactly but it [TS]

00:04:07   was also originally conceived as a [TS]

00:04:09   musical if you can imagine what that [TS]

00:04:10   would be like well it was a musical as [TS]

00:04:12   sort of it p towns and put together the [TS]

00:04:15   his his version of it which was supposed [TS]

00:04:18   to be it's been awhile since tommy was [TS]

00:04:20   out and I feel like producing another [TS]

00:04:21   horrible rock opera so [TS]

00:04:23   let me find this ancient this ancient [TS]

00:04:26   book by the guy who married sylvia plath [TS]

00:04:29   and and we'll set that to music that [TS]

00:04:32   explains why des McAnuff is is credited [TS]

00:04:35   here too because they were the [TS]

00:04:36   collaborators at the la jolla playhouse [TS]

00:04:38   in fact on on Tommy I and so that [TS]

00:04:41   explains why there inexplicably credited [TS]

00:04:44   as producers on this movie [TS]

00:04:45   well they did produce this for the stage [TS]

00:04:47   at one point at the what the old vic in [TS]

00:04:49   London or something [TS]

00:04:50   I think so yeah I i remember when the [TS]

00:04:52   concert album came out because i was [TS]

00:04:54   working at a record store at the time [TS]

00:04:55   and and they had us put up a huge [TS]

00:04:57   display and nobody ever bought a single [TS]

00:04:59   thing come out there but you know we had [TS]

00:05:01   to play it and listen to it in the [TS]

00:05:03   stores like Iron Man Iron Man and you [TS]

00:05:07   know it wasn't awful [TS]

00:05:09   I could see why nobody ever did anything [TS]

00:05:12   else with it but I guess brad bird had [TS]

00:05:14   so much free rein that at one point he [TS]

00:05:16   just decided to jettison all the songs [TS]

00:05:18   and townsend said whatever I got my [TS]

00:05:20   check it seems like it has a real [TS]

00:05:22   affection for the setting mode because [TS]

00:05:24   it's almost like a period piece where it [TS]

00:05:26   is it's not it's not incidental like he [TS]

00:05:29   almost makes you think like this is how [TS]

00:05:31   he grew up but he's not that old [TS]

00:05:32   right so it's not how here maybe that's [TS]

00:05:34   how his parents grew up but there's a [TS]

00:05:36   real you know it really speaks to me out [TS]

00:05:39   on that level which is really weird when [TS]

00:05:41   I think about the person who made it in [TS]

00:05:43   the intended audience [TS]

00:05:45   well this is also a love letter for the [TS]

00:05:47   for the movies and the culture of this [TS]

00:05:51   period even if you didn't live through [TS]

00:05:52   it i mean the idea that there's the it's [TS]

00:05:55   not just the Cold War setting but it's [TS]

00:05:58   the you know the war of the worlds [TS]

00:06:00   oh yeah when he's watching that [TS]

00:06:02   black-and-white TV that black-and-white [TS]

00:06:03   TV section I feel like it's the best [TS]

00:06:05   part of the movie like what's on the [TS]

00:06:06   television screen and my daughter asked [TS]

00:06:09   if that was a real movie because she [TS]

00:06:10   wants to watch it with the stilted [TS]

00:06:11   dialogue in the brain that skills across [TS]

00:06:13   the floor and the acting from the lead [TS]

00:06:16   male character in that movie and the [TS]

00:06:18   maple commercial is a real ad from the [TS]

00:06:21   fifties one thing is so great in these [TS]

00:06:22   and you know you see it again in the [TS]

00:06:24   incredibles with Frank and Ollie [TS]

00:06:25   appearing in that as well is the [TS]

00:06:28   absolute affection they have for the [TS]

00:06:29   animation of that period as well you [TS]

00:06:31   know and how much this really could be a [TS]

00:06:33   maple commercial in some ways some of [TS]

00:06:34   the animation and all the care that [TS]

00:06:36   is it just you know one thing I noticed [TS]

00:06:37   this time is like everybody has glasses [TS]

00:06:39   the glasses are just a little bit tinted [TS]

00:06:41   they don't they're not just clear that [TS]

00:06:43   there's a lot of care put into to every [TS]

00:06:45   frame of this [TS]

00:06:46   yeah it's it's it's beautiful it is [TS]

00:06:48   funny that we've got the fifties his [TS]

00:06:51   Hogarth is our main character his mom as [TS]

00:06:53   a waitress in a diner Harry Connick is [TS]

00:06:56   basically a beatnik artists there are [TS]

00:06:59   lots of this is it main so you've got [TS]

00:07:01   sort of like the the the guys who work [TS]

00:07:04   on the boats and then you've got the [TS]

00:07:05   guys with like the deerstalker caps and [TS]

00:07:07   the and the shotguns and you know where [TS]

00:07:09   all these types and it feels like you [TS]

00:07:12   know I having lived through the fifties [TS]

00:07:14   I i assume it feels like what depictions [TS]

00:07:17   of the fifties retro actively felt like [TS]

00:07:21   and not what the actual he's felt like [TS]

00:07:23   but it definitely has that it is of a [TS]

00:07:25   time [TS]

00:07:25   this is what you know this is a post-war [TS]

00:07:27   cold war story and and and it place it [TS]

00:07:32   up and I i really enjoyed it but you [TS]

00:07:34   know i'm not sure my kids really got I [TS]

00:07:35   mean we can't explain this is the Cold [TS]

00:07:37   War this is and they know what a beatnik [TS]

00:07:38   is alright but just the cold borrow the [TS]

00:07:41   culture war all these thing I mean they [TS]

00:07:43   say the word beatnik in the movie to try [TS]

00:07:44   to maybe give the kids something that [TS]

00:07:46   they can like us they could google it [TS]

00:07:47   back then the kids pick it up I mean [TS]

00:07:50   he's just he's a cool guy who lives on [TS]

00:07:52   his own in a you know a junkyard and [TS]

00:07:54   wears bathrobes and yeah and in many [TS]

00:07:57   respects like that the setting like we [TS]

00:07:59   just an hour you know how much care to [TS]

00:08:01   put into setting but you could this [TS]

00:08:03   story is strong enough that you can set [TS]

00:08:04   it almost anywhere just gets reinforced [TS]

00:08:06   by this setting with the cold war stuff [TS]

00:08:08   but every every other part of the movie [TS]

00:08:10   like works like the story structure is [TS]

00:08:11   very sturdy is just the theme like put [TS]

00:08:14   it up on top of a mountain you can take [TS]

00:08:15   that same story structure and put it on [TS]

00:08:17   the ground in any setting it would still [TS]

00:08:18   work [TS]

00:08:19   well I think you have a much easier time [TS]

00:08:20   selling the fact that the military is [TS]

00:08:22   willing to send a bunch of trucks and [TS]

00:08:24   tanks out you know in the midst of the [TS]

00:08:26   Cold War when Sputnik is just launched [TS]

00:08:28   and they don't know you know they're [TS]

00:08:29   dealing with a big Russian invention or [TS]

00:08:31   death ray or something at this point [TS]

00:08:32   it's definitely got this [TS]

00:08:34   this movie has got the at the start it's [TS]

00:08:37   a classic boys no boys dream street [TS]

00:08:41   fairytale kind of thing where it's who [TS]

00:08:44   what what kid in the fifties wouldn't [TS]

00:08:46   dream of giving as Home Guard says my [TS]

00:08:48   own giant roll [TS]

00:08:49   bot right so he finds this real body be [TS]

00:08:52   friends then there's a little bit of [TS]

00:08:53   that Mouse taking the thorn out of the [TS]

00:08:56   paw of the lion kind of thing happens [TS]

00:08:58   where he saves the iron giant from being [TS]

00:09:01   electrocuted at the power station and [TS]

00:09:03   convenient giant off switch that every [TS]

00:09:05   perception has outside that is a super [TS]

00:09:09   useful feature for your power plant you [TS]

00:09:11   have to have what is the master control [TS]

00:09:13   in case something happens and a giant [TS]

00:09:15   robot is caught in the power lines you [TS]

00:09:16   can just go Boop this as an insurance [TS]

00:09:18   thing in the fifties he had to have an [TS]

00:09:19   on-off switch [TS]

00:09:20   yeah you just run up to it yeah well [TS]

00:09:22   there was a fence the fence got knocked [TS]

00:09:24   down but you know that's true good point [TS]

00:09:26   that will then it makes perfect sense it [TS]

00:09:29   was behind defense that's that's ok but [TS]

00:09:31   then the robot is sort of you know he's [TS]

00:09:33   somebody has shown him a kindness and [TS]

00:09:35   the robot obviously has no has no memory [TS]

00:09:37   we have no idea where the robot came [TS]

00:09:39   from there's no it's never explained [TS]

00:09:41   which I which I kind of love but that's [TS]

00:09:43   how the story starts as we mean Hogarth [TS]

00:09:45   we know that he's got a mom but not a [TS]

00:09:47   daddy you know she works really hard so [TS]

00:09:50   she leaves him to take care of himself [TS]

00:09:51   sometimes he had it he watches that [TS]

00:09:54   really hilarious Bob zombie movie [TS]

00:09:57   basically definitely that feeling of the [TS]

00:10:00   old black and white TV but his antenna [TS]

00:10:02   gets eaten so he has to go out on a on a [TS]

00:10:06   journey with and that's where he meets [TS]

00:10:08   the robot and that all happens up to the [TS]

00:10:11   point where where the robot starts [TS]

00:10:12   following them around like a like a [TS]

00:10:14   stray dog that he's collected it up to [TS]

00:10:19   the point where there's a train wreck [TS]

00:10:21   caused by the giant not being able to [TS]

00:10:23   put a try to eat the tracks and try to [TS]

00:10:25   put them back and then the train hits [TS]

00:10:27   any breaks up into a million pieces and [TS]

00:10:29   i like how chill the engineers are after [TS]

00:10:31   that I mean the engineers literally hit [TS]

00:10:33   a giant monster at dark in the middle of [TS]

00:10:36   the woods in Maine and the train derails [TS]

00:10:38   and the engineers like someone out there [TS]

00:10:41   everything ok hows it Collin he has seen [TS]

00:10:44   with bandages around his head afterwards [TS]

00:10:46   so perhaps he's just you know concussed [TS]

00:10:48   and that's the that's the the Cameo [TS]

00:10:52   right there right from the classic [TS]

00:10:54   animators of of Disney who we see again [TS]

00:10:56   in the incredibles yeah they were they [TS]

00:10:59   were what they call it the column circus [TS]

00:11:01   this like the seven old man nine old men [TS]

00:11:03   and they worked on Bambi and Dumbo and [TS]

00:11:06   maybe snow white pretty much everything [TS]

00:11:08   from the 32 the fifties amazing so they [TS]

00:11:12   invented you know the the 12 principles [TS]

00:11:13   of disney animation which are still talk [TS]

00:11:15   to this day those two work together on [TS]

00:11:18   the illusion of life is a really great [TS]

00:11:21   book written by the two of them that's [TS]

00:11:22   like that's a classic textbook in a lot [TS]

00:11:24   of animation courses so this is the the [TS]

00:11:26   the train wreck is what brings us are [TS]

00:11:28   our plot when the the the Fox Mulder of [TS]

00:11:34   ya can't Mansley appears on the scene [TS]

00:11:37   hehe is from some office of of [TS]

00:11:42   Investigation he's from the Bureau of [TS]

00:11:44   unexplained phenomena yeah you only see [TS]

00:11:47   his car door briefly because his car is [TS]

00:11:48   then eaten and I have to say I mean [TS]

00:11:51   christopher mcdonald those voices he [TS]

00:11:53   does a great job with it but it is the [TS]

00:11:55   william atherton role and he's doing [TS]

00:11:58   william atherton voice it's amazing he [TS]

00:12:00   sees like that he's totally like the [TS]

00:12:02   nineties that guy i don't know i'm not [TS]

00:12:04   sure Atherton would have tried so hard [TS]

00:12:05   to ingratiate himself to the kid just [TS]

00:12:07   doesn't seem his style but after African [TS]

00:12:10   would have done a chloroform on the kids [TS]

00:12:11   oh yeah that's for sure [TS]

00:12:13   probably probably before even talking to [TS]

00:12:14   him I don't know that the immigration is [TS]

00:12:16   so smart me when he tries to be so you [TS]

00:12:19   know so-called befriend Hogarth that you [TS]

00:12:21   never believe it [TS]

00:12:22   Hogarth doesn't believe it nobody [TS]

00:12:23   believes it is I i would say I think of [TS]

00:12:27   william atherton in something in [TS]

00:12:28   something like like Ghostbusters a real [TS]

00:12:30   genius especially where he he is he has [TS]

00:12:34   that ingratiating like is what we can [TS]

00:12:37   Ghostbusters what is the magic word [TS]

00:12:38   right but he doesn't mean that he is [TS]

00:12:40   just a jerk and Mansley is exactly like [TS]

00:12:43   that debts that's a good call [TS]

00:12:45   he's got that qualities at the quality [TS]

00:12:46   that I used to have somebody who thinks [TS]

00:12:48   that people like him any and yes you [TS]

00:12:50   have thanks yeah I easy text he also he [TS]

00:12:53   thinks he thinks he understands kids you [TS]

00:12:56   know when you meet somebody who's like I [TS]

00:12:57   understand he Spitz work you know me [TS]

00:12:59   Ranger are you doing guru ji wrote I [TS]

00:13:02   wrote a bunch of those down thats great [TS]

00:13:03   tiger Slugger cowboy champion sure it [TS]

00:13:06   just [TS]

00:13:08   he's got a smile on his face and a lot [TS]

00:13:10   of movies every single one of the smiles [TS]

00:13:12   slightly different all incredibly [TS]

00:13:14   aggressive like his eyes are angry but [TS]

00:13:16   his mouth the smiling always good it's [TS]

00:13:17   good animation man's journey is is funny [TS]

00:13:19   too because he comes to investigate the [TS]

00:13:21   same thing is a real thing and he he is [TS]

00:13:24   doing investigative work and he finds [TS]

00:13:26   that is a real thing and he calls the [TS]

00:13:28   army in the army doesn't want to hear [TS]

00:13:29   him and that's when i wrote down that [TS]

00:13:30   he's he's the Fox Mulder of the of the [TS]

00:13:32   fifties they don't want to believe him [TS]

00:13:34   but he he believes that he he's not [TS]

00:13:36   wrong but then his hit then he becomes [TS]

00:13:39   like uncontrollably obsessed and declaw [TS]

00:13:42   reforms the kid and and and later toward [TS]

00:13:45   the end of the movie he calls on calls a [TS]

00:13:46   nuclear strike against everybody else's [TS]

00:13:48   orders on a town in the United States [TS]

00:13:50   the town that he's in you have a bit [TS]

00:13:52   extreme [TS]

00:13:53   at that point he kind of loses it and [TS]

00:13:55   the most important thing about about [TS]

00:13:57   Mansley of course is that Steven I'm [TS]

00:14:00   sure you appreciate this [TS]

00:14:01   he is the source of a long long string [TS]

00:14:04   of poop jokes because he has fed [TS]

00:14:06   laxatives so many poop chicks [TS]

00:14:09   yes poop jokes are measured by a [TS]

00:14:11   buttload so that's appropriate [TS]

00:14:13   oh I did my favorite is that he crumples [TS]

00:14:14   up the laxative and demands milkshake [TS]

00:14:16   and he asks what it's called they said [TS]

00:14:18   it's called a landslide which of course [TS]

00:14:20   yeah but he's describing is describing [TS]

00:14:23   the is going poop poop [TS]

00:14:26   what's going through the air its goal [TS]

00:14:28   that one he's got that there's that [TS]

00:14:30   there's that moment where he's got to [TS]

00:14:31   find that he's gonna find the bathroom [TS]

00:14:33   and then and then later he's like behind [TS]

00:14:34   a bush and he's just like no I just [TS]

00:14:37   can't and and it's and it's not even [TS]

00:14:39   said it's just it happens and if you're [TS]

00:14:41   not paying attention you don't know [TS]

00:14:42   what's going on at its all sight gags [TS]

00:14:45   and I know that's the so anyway I was [TS]

00:14:47   amazed by that that's the that's a [TS]

00:14:49   beautiful thing that happens in the [TS]

00:14:50   middle is that the the kid gets back by [TS]

00:14:53   make it making poop you know one thing [TS]

00:14:56   we didn't grab no from even from the [TS]

00:14:57   very beginning and all throughout the [TS]

00:14:59   film is how much this is so classic [TS]

00:15:03   Disney when it's done well it's like how [TS]

00:15:05   much care because into every character [TS]

00:15:07   like every minor character is is unique [TS]

00:15:10   they've each got their own funny [TS]

00:15:11   expression their own funny t throne [TS]

00:15:12   funny little quirks and way of talking [TS]

00:15:14   like my name is when you see those [TS]

00:15:15   little like a little you know exercises [TS]

00:15:17   where they're showing like how this [TS]

00:15:19   character is going to walk it does they [TS]

00:15:20   did [TS]

00:15:21   and then walk like this other guy like [TS]

00:15:22   everybody's got their own little thing [TS]

00:15:23   and it's I you know from the from the [TS]

00:15:26   from the end wash guy at the beginning [TS]

00:15:28   through you know that the guys in the in [TS]

00:15:30   the diner like everybody you know to the [TS]

00:15:32   shore like everybody's got their own [TS]

00:15:34   little like tick you know [TS]

00:15:36   yeah i mean i actually had a hey it's [TS]

00:15:37   that guy moment with one of these [TS]

00:15:39   characters was like where we've seen [TS]

00:15:41   that guy before a this is a cartoon I [TS]

00:15:43   haven't seen him anywhere before but it [TS]

00:15:45   felt like this is an invoice probably [TS]

00:15:47   was but it's like this is a character [TS]

00:15:49   actor [TS]

00:15:49   this is a face that I've seen in a [TS]

00:15:51   million things like the guy who's having [TS]

00:15:53   his car hood he has like two lines and [TS]

00:15:55   he's so memorable [TS]

00:15:56   you know it has a large bite out that's [TS]

00:16:00   why i'm selling it [TS]

00:16:02   even the woman character like that the [TS]

00:16:03   blonde waitress who has no lines i think [TS]

00:16:06   it's just that comes out of the door one [TS]

00:16:07   point and that brushes against her [TS]

00:16:09   awesome like that yet they actually [TS]

00:16:10   manage our women who look different [TS]

00:16:11   which is apparently a difficult thing to [TS]

00:16:13   do in modern animation when you've got [TS]

00:16:15   the same character with different color [TS]

00:16:16   hair and makeup [TS]

00:16:18   the blonde waitress I remember because [TS]

00:16:19   she is so like she's so incredibly [TS]

00:16:21   different from horse mom and so that and [TS]

00:16:24   she has no lines you know so just like [TS]

00:16:26   that except ever every character unique [TS]

00:16:29   and like each character is an [TS]

00:16:31   opportunity to do something fun with [TS]

00:16:32   animation basically i think the fact [TS]

00:16:35   that Hogarth has uneven front teeth is [TS]

00:16:37   the master stroke though that adds so [TS]

00:16:39   much character without means that he [TS]

00:16:41   doesn't have a lot of defining [TS]

00:16:42   characteristics but the teeth are enough [TS]

00:16:44   to just immediately get you on his side [TS]

00:16:46   there's also they do a lot with sound in [TS]

00:16:48   general i was noticing this time watch [TS]

00:16:50   it by myself so little quieter in the [TS]

00:16:52   room noticing like how much stuff in the [TS]

00:16:54   background you can hear conversations [TS]

00:16:55   like actual conversations that the [TS]

00:16:57   waitresses are having and stuff like [TS]

00:16:58   that [TS]

00:16:59   a nice touch you can make out like those [TS]

00:17:01   words on the newspapers words on the [TS]

00:17:03   television in the background with [TS]

00:17:04   people's conversations and they managed [TS]

00:17:06   to make it they know you're only gonna [TS]

00:17:07   pick up one or two words but they [TS]

00:17:08   managed to make them relevant to the [TS]

00:17:10   setting or the plot events in some way [TS]

00:17:11   the diner has like three different [TS]

00:17:13   conversations happening simultaneously [TS]

00:17:15   that if you listen they are all relevant [TS]

00:17:17   and they all lead into you know you can [TS]

00:17:19   hear the guys at the booth behind them [TS]

00:17:21   having that conversation the whole time [TS]

00:17:23   before they interrupt and it becomes you [TS]

00:17:26   know it's it is that's a great scene [TS]

00:17:28   although how they managed to discuss [TS]

00:17:30   anything with no ear holes is utterly [TS]

00:17:32   behind [TS]

00:17:32   yeah stylistic choice that's weird when [TS]

00:17:35   they're years or so big i was happy that [TS]

00:17:37   they all had they had ten fingers you [TS]

00:17:39   know not all cartoons have 10 fingers [TS]

00:17:41   did make their hands like a little [TS]

00:17:43   bigger because horse and look a little [TS]

00:17:44   bit comical but all the other features [TS]

00:17:46   exaggerated a little [TS]

00:17:47   some of the checkpoint on the breadboard [TS]

00:17:49   was born in 1957 so maybe this is not so [TS]

00:17:52   far off from his child obviously would [TS]

00:17:53   be an infant during this time and not a [TS]

00:17:55   child but the thing that sets up the [TS]

00:17:57   eurosport yeah I know let that so the [TS]

00:17:59   thing is the thing I was picking up on [TS]

00:18:01   for the memories of just being a boy in [TS]

00:18:04   anytime the kid thing details [TS]

00:18:07   one of them was when he has to distract [TS]

00:18:09   his mother by making a noise that we can [TS]

00:18:12   drag the big robotic hand through his [TS]

00:18:14   house [TS]

00:18:14   I has a coin and instead of just [TS]

00:18:17   throwing the coin into the other room he [TS]

00:18:18   did he flips the coin does anyone know [TS]

00:18:20   how to do that when you snap your [TS]

00:18:21   fingers and point your elbow the target [TS]

00:18:22   you want to hit snap your fingers [TS]

00:18:24   yeah he does that with the coin rather [TS]

00:18:26   than just throwing it and that's that's [TS]

00:18:28   a kid thing to do a learning that [TS]

00:18:29   whatever when he dismounts his bicycle [TS]

00:18:31   riding to the junkyard at one point he [TS]

00:18:33   gets off on one side and glides while [TS]

00:18:34   standing on the pedal for a little while [TS]

00:18:36   there's no reason to do either one of [TS]

00:18:37   those things you could've just thrown up [TS]

00:18:38   any you could've just arrived on his [TS]

00:18:39   bicycle gotten off the normal way but [TS]

00:18:41   that's not what little boys do little [TS]

00:18:43   boys learn to do all these little boy [TS]

00:18:44   things and so you know those little [TS]

00:18:46   details really pull you into the setting [TS]

00:18:49   it and makes me think that like that [TS]

00:18:51   Brad Bird is if not drawing himself [TS]

00:18:52   drawing like parts of his own childhood [TS]

00:18:54   I think about the first scene where he [TS]

00:18:57   appears in the diner and he runs up to [TS]

00:18:58   the counter any jumps on the stool and [TS]

00:19:00   he doesn't think where he's talking with [TS]

00:19:01   mom and he's swiveling is like you know [TS]

00:19:04   torso back and forth on the on the on [TS]

00:19:06   the stool because you know he's a kid [TS]

00:19:07   he's not going to sit still while he's [TS]

00:19:09   talking to his mom he's going to be [TS]

00:19:10   fidgeting with everything i love his a [TS]

00:19:13   is child phone manners and the you know [TS]

00:19:16   formal but completely dead inside [TS]

00:19:19   hi this is Hogarth Hughes who's calling [TS]

00:19:21   please also if you want your mother to [TS]

00:19:23   leave you alone [TS]

00:19:24   what you do is go into the bathroom [TS]

00:19:26   again poop you go into the bathroom take [TS]

00:19:28   lots of grunting noises and Franco you [TS]

00:19:30   okay and there are five leave me alone [TS]

00:19:32   that apparently works for Mansley to ya [TS]

00:19:36   lot of poop jokes in this that's all I'm [TS]

00:19:39   saying let's see what else what else [TS]

00:19:43   should we talk about I mean we talked [TS]

00:19:44   about the giant [TS]

00:19:46   yeah he some pieces he's a piece of work [TS]

00:19:48   and I I didn't realize in the first few [TS]

00:19:50   times i watch this that he's cg while [TS]

00:19:53   the rest of the film is hand-drawn so [TS]

00:19:55   he's like the the spaceship in futurama [TS]

00:19:57   where he's ECG designed to look like cel [TS]

00:20:00   animation i didn't i didn't know that [TS]

00:20:02   the first time I saw it but now now I [TS]

00:20:04   see that but I saw a note today that [TS]

00:20:05   basically to make his motions fluid [TS]

00:20:08   would have been tough with ya his [TS]

00:20:11   movement is so fluid that it's clearly [TS]

00:20:12   computer-assisted I don't know the [TS]

00:20:14   details of how how that works [TS]

00:20:16   so he sticks a wet say when they just [TS]

00:20:18   started doing this with the [TS]

00:20:19   incorporating cg in traditional [TS]

00:20:21   animation it was very difficult to get [TS]

00:20:25   it to look like it fits the beauty and [TS]

00:20:27   the beast just the example right that [TS]

00:20:29   the big dance scene and beauty and the [TS]

00:20:30   beast is a CJ scene but even beauty the [TS]

00:20:32   beast that background is like oh now i'm [TS]

00:20:34   looking at something different or [TS]

00:20:35   Aladdin Aladdin at the cg carpet ride [TS]

00:20:37   that is not incorporated well the Iron [TS]

00:20:40   Giant is incorporated amazingly well for [TS]

00:20:42   how early it came I think it's actually [TS]

00:20:43   incorporated better than futurama to [TS]

00:20:45   give another obviously TV budgets are [TS]

00:20:47   different than 70 million dollars for [TS]

00:20:48   movie but futurama you know is that the [TS]

00:20:50   more modern examples everyone knows a [TS]

00:20:52   lot of the times you know the spaceships [TS]

00:20:53   and stuff [TS]

00:20:54   poke out yet cg like it's almost like [TS]

00:20:57   like you know your advice [TS]

00:20:58   John on how to set your TV so you don't [TS]

00:21:00   get that soap opera effect it's almost [TS]

00:21:02   like when you c cg stuff in cell [TS]

00:21:04   animation it looks too fluid there's [TS]

00:21:06   someone in miyazaki sometimes there's [TS]

00:21:08   one where was it howl's moving castle [TS]

00:21:10   now it was one of the ones with this big [TS]

00:21:12   Walking castle big walking structure and [TS]

00:21:14   it looks really cg you know it's too [TS]

00:21:16   smooth there's too many parts moving at [TS]

00:21:18   once it doesn't have any kind of like [TS]

00:21:20   jumpiness in the frame it looks out of [TS]

00:21:21   place didn't get that at all that's why [TS]

00:21:23   I couldn't tell it first [TS]

00:21:24   well so i'm princess mononoke that not [TS]

00:21:26   to return to miyazaki podcast on the the [TS]

00:21:28   nightwalker with all done in CG and [TS]

00:21:30   miyazaki didn't like it and read it all [TS]

00:21:32   by hand or have them read it behind or [TS]

00:21:34   whatever so and you know it's it has a [TS]

00:21:37   high bar for that but the big thing if [TS]

00:21:39   you're looking for it if you're not [TS]

00:21:41   looking for like I wasn't looking if [TS]

00:21:42   it's in like it's a bad Matt job or like [TS]

00:21:44   it looks like a specular highlights but [TS]

00:21:46   nothing else does or whatever the big [TS]

00:21:48   thing to look for is that three things [TS]

00:21:49   rose perspective correct right so when [TS]

00:21:51   you rotate the camera around they look [TS]

00:21:52   exactly like they would for nothin where [TS]

00:21:53   is hand-drawn animation is not [TS]

00:21:55   perspective correct many cartoon [TS]

00:21:57   characters you know Charlie Brown [TS]

00:21:59   you know it's great example do not look [TS]

00:22:01   like any real physical 3-dimensional [TS]

00:22:02   object could look like from from various [TS]

00:22:04   angles and you have to transition from [TS]

00:22:06   this pose where we know what Charlie [TS]

00:22:07   Brown looks like to this pose and there [TS]

00:22:09   is no in-between that makes any sense [TS]

00:22:10   there was a 3d shape you model it and [TS]

00:22:12   and you put the virtual camera on and it [TS]

00:22:15   looks it looks correct from every [TS]

00:22:16   possible angle so it's usually very easy [TS]

00:22:18   to pick out the 3d things even if they [TS]

00:22:21   do a perfect job of blending the [TS]

00:22:22   textures but in this movie because the [TS]

00:22:24   Iron Giant is an iron giant his [TS]

00:22:27   perspective correctness and his [TS]

00:22:29   proportions and everything works like [TS]

00:22:30   he's a robot he's not a flesh-and-blood [TS]

00:22:32   wiggly you know [TS]

00:22:34   yeah squash and stretch disney animated [TS]

00:22:37   character he's a robot so we should look [TS]

00:22:38   like that and they just such a great job [TS]

00:22:40   with the detailing that he never looks [TS]

00:22:41   like he's popping out from the frame he [TS]

00:22:43   always looks like he's there before I [TS]

00:22:45   realized it was CGI on the robot I'd i [TS]

00:22:48   wrote the note that i was impressed and [TS]

00:22:50   how they managed to get the perspective [TS]

00:22:51   on the robot just right from down at [TS]

00:22:53   Hogarth's level because there are [TS]

00:22:55   several scenes that are taken from where [TS]

00:22:56   Hogarth sad and you're looking up at the [TS]

00:22:58   giant towards his head and you really [TS]

00:23:00   get this amazing sense of how huge it [TS]

00:23:02   must be from the perspective of the kid [TS]

00:23:04   and I found that pretty impressive and [TS]

00:23:07   unless impressed now that I realized it [TS]

00:23:09   was a computer behind you should be so [TS]

00:23:10   impressed that they fooled you [TS]

00:23:11   that's what I'm I'm getting there is it [TS]

00:23:13   the fact that it didn't that it didn't [TS]

00:23:15   stick out like a sore thumb to be is [TS]

00:23:16   also impressive so I can't believe this [TS]

00:23:18   thing was I mean the couple things I [TS]

00:23:20   read suggested this was pretty [TS]

00:23:21   constrained he had to pull in people [TS]

00:23:23   from CalArts to help out with some of [TS]

00:23:24   the animation if this does not feel like [TS]

00:23:27   a rushed movie to me [TS]

00:23:28   I mean you know maybe thank God for [TS]

00:23:31   quest for camelot that you could get the [TS]

00:23:32   poop jokes in but you know it's amazing [TS]

00:23:34   that I you know I thought it felt like [TS]

00:23:37   the everything he wanted probably got [TS]

00:23:38   into this even the Dean unzipping his [TS]

00:23:41   pants and unleashing the squirrel which [TS]

00:23:42   I didn't get the studio has been paying [TS]

00:23:44   attention might not have made it to the [TS]

00:23:46   final cut and the opening scenes where [TS]

00:23:48   they had the they have the giant waves [TS]

00:23:51   in the opening scene the waves of water [TS]

00:23:53   and that that's always expensive to do [TS]

00:23:55   anything with water but the fact that [TS]

00:23:56   they opened the movie with that I think [TS]

00:23:58   they went back to her like that's and [TS]

00:24:00   they did the waves are all so CG because [TS]

00:24:02   you know that I maybe that was cheaper [TS]

00:24:03   to do that but in 1999 saying you're [TS]

00:24:05   going to open your animated movie with [TS]

00:24:06   sequins in the water that was really [TS]

00:24:09   good water for 1999 yeah i mean it was [TS]

00:24:11   there with stylized fit in [TS]

00:24:12   the rest of the movie but I it doesn't [TS]

00:24:16   like you said does not look like a movie [TS]

00:24:17   where he was like time or budget [TS]

00:24:18   constraint because you would just like [TS]

00:24:20   you know you would have just drawn that [TS]

00:24:22   from the perspective inside the boat and [TS]

00:24:23   had rain lashing is the window instead [TS]

00:24:25   of spending all this money on a CG waves [TS]

00:24:27   so Jon I am obviously saw this movie [TS]

00:24:30   many times before i ever saw castle in [TS]

00:24:33   the sky and when I saw castle in the sky [TS]

00:24:36   I thought hey nice robot I wonder and I [TS]

00:24:39   assume that this is a huge influence on [TS]

00:24:41   Brad Bird for doing the orange and I [TS]

00:24:43   know that the probably it's possible [TS]

00:24:45   that the book that the ted hughes book [TS]

00:24:48   influenced castle in the sky I don't [TS]

00:24:50   know but the the certainly when I saw [TS]

00:24:53   castle in the sky I thought oh I felt [TS]

00:24:56   very iron giant e to me because it is a [TS]

00:24:59   long tradition of big giant robots in [TS]

00:25:01   japan so I don't think you can pinpoint [TS]

00:25:02   anyone influences that [TS]

00:25:04   design-wise the bucket head the [TS]

00:25:07   trapezoid chest the sort of simplified [TS]

00:25:10   design may be contractually I forget who [TS]

00:25:13   among the pic sorry and people are the [TS]

00:25:15   rabbit miyazaki fans and who merely just [TS]

00:25:18   like him so i don't know i can offer you [TS]

00:25:20   can draw a straight line but we can look [TS]

00:25:21   it up after the show and it certainly [TS]

00:25:23   reminded me of that but I don't know [TS]

00:25:25   what the influence is that's the robots [TS]

00:25:27   that like guard the garden [TS]

00:25:28   yep yeah yeah it did I immediately saw [TS]

00:25:32   that in gas on this guy [TS]

00:25:34   yeah yeah I came to mind anyway now [TS]

00:25:37   there's a statue my twelve-year-old took [TS]

00:25:40   one look at it before we watched it and [TS]

00:25:41   so this is like a giant alien Rock'em [TS]

00:25:44   Sock'em robot right as well kind of [TS]

00:25:48   he just overcomes programming but but he [TS]

00:25:51   immediately was like picking out [TS]

00:25:52   different robots that had been reminded [TS]

00:25:54   him of the garment the night when I see [TS]

00:25:58   the end part of this movie I think of [TS]

00:26:00   Brad Brad Bird school notebooks because [TS]

00:26:03   during that this is not the point of the [TS]

00:26:05   end of the movie but just another detail [TS]

00:26:06   at the end of the movie when he went all [TS]

00:26:08   the guns come out research bristling [TS]

00:26:09   with weapons the weapons the heat that [TS]

00:26:12   the iron giant has inside him are [TS]

00:26:14   interesting and imaginative at to the [TS]

00:26:16   point of like the things that kid some [TS]

00:26:18   kid with doodle in his notebook it's not [TS]

00:26:19   just like a series of godlike the [TS]

00:26:21   articulated arms or the little the [TS]

00:26:23   little thing where he fires off shots in [TS]

00:26:24   different directions by it [TS]

00:26:26   I intersecting the spinning disk with a [TS]

00:26:27   little needle type thing that sends them [TS]

00:26:29   out [TS]

00:26:30   it shoots it like a revolver like a [TS]

00:26:31   Western revolver like ticket yeah I [TS]

00:26:34   could totally see that on Brad bird's [TS]

00:26:35   peachy folders back right baby could [TS]

00:26:38   have spent ok a bunch of guns come out [TS]

00:26:40   and now he's in battle mode or whatever [TS]

00:26:41   it's like no there's like we gotta think [TS]

00:26:42   of seven awesome imaginative weapons and [TS]

00:26:45   they got one give me with the War of the [TS]

00:26:46   Worlds type B me snake things on the [TS]

00:26:48   head but everything else they did was [TS]

00:26:50   fairly original and interesting and is [TS]

00:26:53   on screen for a split second is not [TS]

00:26:54   important to the plot of the movie but [TS]

00:26:56   clearly a lot of thought went into what [TS]

00:26:57   is the payoff of seeing that the Giant [TS]

00:27:00   is a weapons platform and that he has [TS]

00:27:02   made 44 destruction that is the payoff [TS]

00:27:04   but you're right it's there for a second [TS]

00:27:07   and then we don't see it again i think i [TS]

00:27:09   think that's a big that's a big part of [TS]

00:27:11   the movie on multiple watchings for me [TS]

00:27:13   is minorities awareness but like what [TS]

00:27:16   the robot knows you know I I like you [TS]

00:27:19   Jason I like the fact that i don't [TS]

00:27:20   really know where he came from or like [TS]

00:27:22   why he doesn't know what he's for but i [TS]

00:27:25   don't know i make no sense that dent in [TS]

00:27:28   the head in space or the answers by the [TS]

00:27:29   way [TS]

00:27:30   well the only the only issue with that [TS]

00:27:31   and it's not really addressed by the [TS]

00:27:33   film and obviously 44 clear reasons we [TS]

00:27:36   are totally screwed as soon as more of [TS]

00:27:38   these robots show clap now they're all [TS]

00:27:41   friendly just don't shoot them they'll [TS]

00:27:43   be fine [TS]

00:27:43   I I assume it's a planet i think it's a [TS]

00:27:46   planet hulk situation I think he got it [TS]

00:27:48   ended up falling off and ending ending [TS]

00:27:50   up in the wrong place but I but you know [TS]

00:27:52   I mean to me that becomes some more [TS]

00:27:53   poignant because it's not so different [TS]

00:27:55   from the Cold War mentality of like hey [TS]

00:27:57   listen I don't want to be a monster I [TS]

00:27:59   don't want to kill anybody but if [TS]

00:28:00   somebody shoots at me I'm going to [TS]

00:28:02   destroy their country [TS]

00:28:03   yeah no I think it's pretty clear that a [TS]

00:28:04   robot that's loaded down with that many [TS]

00:28:06   different kinds of weapons is not a [TS]

00:28:07   peace-loving robot well or but he's a [TS]

00:28:10   defensive robot though he's he's his job [TS]

00:28:12   is to go somewhere and and be a guard or [TS]

00:28:16   defend I guess any or maybe till he's [TS]

00:28:18   activated but i liked i think that work [TS]

00:28:19   says I don't know for me that worked as [TS]

00:28:21   an analogy for the cold war in some ways [TS]

00:28:23   to which is nobody thought they were a [TS]

00:28:24   monster at the time nobody thought that [TS]

00:28:26   what they were doing with arms as [TS]

00:28:27   escalation was something that was gonna [TS]

00:28:30   you know in danger generations of people [TS]

00:28:32   they thought they were doing what they [TS]

00:28:33   had to do because they knew so little [TS]

00:28:35   about what the other side was doing [TS]

00:28:37   we've got it we've gotta get [TS]

00:28:38   I'll get all these guns otherwise you [TS]

00:28:40   know we're gonna be dead and that not [TS]

00:28:42   knowing what's going on i think really [TS]

00:28:44   feeds into that Cold War paranoia that's [TS]

00:28:47   what made a paranoia is we didn't we [TS]

00:28:48   didn't know what a shambles to see the [TS]

00:28:50   inn was you know [TS]

00:28:51   yeah I think that's why the the [TS]

00:28:53   emotional bit at the end of this movie [TS]

00:28:54   that will eventually get through the [TS]

00:28:55   reason why i think that works or at [TS]

00:28:57   least it works for nerds of our stripes [TS]

00:28:59   i can include us all into this is that [TS]

00:29:01   if you identify with the robot not [TS]

00:29:04   Hogarth but the robot that is a lot of [TS]

00:29:08   the emotional payoff at the end of the [TS]

00:29:10   movie because you know it's kind of an [TS]

00:29:12   edward scissorhands situation you know [TS]

00:29:13   who you know what alienated child has [TS]

00:29:15   not felt that they are large capable of [TS]

00:29:18   mass destruction but ultimately [TS]

00:29:19   misunderstood and being shot at by [TS]

00:29:21   everybody and you know you don't like [TS]

00:29:23   that's at by the end of the movie where [TS]

00:29:26   identifying with the robot [TS]

00:29:27   we're not thinking of ours anymore and [TS]

00:29:29   that's yeah that's maybe why this is a [TS]

00:29:31   cult classic and not a widespread movie [TS]

00:29:33   because maybe you need a certain kind of [TS]

00:29:35   disposition or childhood experience or [TS]

00:29:38   both to identify with the robot in this [TS]

00:29:39   movie I would also like just to clarify [TS]

00:29:42   for my own purposes we differentiate the [TS]

00:29:45   end of the movie and the ND Mick [TS]

00:29:48   and-and-and of the movie because I got [TS]

00:29:51   some thoughts on all right two things I [TS]

00:29:53   don't like about this movie I'd like to [TS]

00:29:55   return to but you know yeah i mean the [TS]

00:29:57   the entire like what should have been [TS]

00:29:58   the end of the movie absolutely [TS]

00:30:01   staggering you know you think the cat [TS]

00:30:03   should be talking at this point is what [TS]

00:30:05   you say [TS]

00:30:06   time for a break for me to tell you [TS]

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00:30:39   now let me tell you for years I have had [TS]

00:30:42   a mac mini server in my house i'm on my [TS]

00:30:45   second and third now of the upgrades [TS]

00:30:48   over time and that's where I store all [TS]

00:30:51   my media fly [TS]

00:30:52   yells all my junk that especially as a [TS]

00:30:54   laptop user I don't have the space on my [TS]

00:30:57   macbook air for this sort of stuff i [TS]

00:30:59   have it on my server it's also attached [TS]

00:31:01   to my TV so i can play some stuff back [TS]

00:31:03   on my TV right there from the media [TS]

00:31:05   server runs music server lots of things [TS]

00:31:08   and about two months ago I attached a [TS]

00:31:12   drobo 5d to it because previously I had [TS]

00:31:16   attached a whole chain of Thunderbolt [TS]

00:31:20   and firewire and USB hard drives over [TS]

00:31:22   the years i ended up with his motley [TS]

00:31:24   collection of i think i have three [TS]

00:31:26   external drives and they've even got [TS]

00:31:28   their own power plug and then they're [TS]

00:31:30   chained together and some of them are [TS]

00:31:32   kind of finicky and then if the power [TS]

00:31:34   goes out one of them is off and doesn't [TS]

00:31:37   come back on until I press that button [TS]

00:31:38   and it was a mess and I replaced it with [TS]

00:31:40   one thing the drobo 5d it is this cool [TS]

00:31:43   black box with me lights on it you can [TS]

00:31:45   control and you can turn them off you [TS]

00:31:47   don't want to see the lights and you [TS]

00:31:48   slide drives into it and it shows up as [TS]

00:31:51   in this case a single drive i have this [TS]

00:31:53   single amazing 17 terabyte drive waiting [TS]

00:31:58   for me but more impressively than that [TS]

00:32:00   if i wanted to pop out one of the drives [TS]

00:32:03   let's say one of the drives goes bad [TS]

00:32:04   hard drives to go bad from time to time [TS]

00:32:06   I don't lose any data because drobo is [TS]

00:32:09   protecting against hard drive failure [TS]

00:32:11   it's got this amazing system where it's [TS]

00:32:12   writing the trade data to multiple [TS]

00:32:14   places so if your hard drive dies you [TS]

00:32:16   pull it out you put in a new drive drobo [TS]

00:32:19   works to repair all the all the problems [TS]

00:32:22   and you're back in action i've been [TS]

00:32:24   using it a lot of the 5d the model but [TS]

00:32:26   i'm using attaches to my mac mini server [TS]

00:32:29   i'm on a gigabit ethernet network here [TS]

00:32:31   at home I take all my incomparable [TS]

00:32:32   project files when i'm done night I [TS]

00:32:34   dragged him over the network drop them [TS]

00:32:36   onto the drobo superfast all my media [TS]

00:32:38   files are on there it's it's great i [TS]

00:32:41   really love it [TS]

00:32:42   it has a thunderbolt which is how i'm [TS]

00:32:44   connecting also has a USB 3 interface [TS]

00:32:47   there are other dromos to there's drobo [TS]

00:32:49   mini which is much more portable [TS]

00:32:51   it's a about three pounds it can it can [TS]

00:32:54   have up to four two and a half inch [TS]

00:32:56   drives and there's also the drobo 5n [TS]

00:32:59   which is a network version of what I've [TS]

00:33:01   got [TS]

00:33:02   it'll actually attached to your TV and [TS]

00:33:05   stream video to your TV using plaques [TS]

00:33:08   and it also just attaches to your [TS]

00:33:11   network so if i didn't have my server [TS]

00:33:13   I'd probably get the drobo 5n and use it [TS]

00:33:16   as my network server my target for time [TS]

00:33:19   machine and my media jukebox that's [TS]

00:33:23   pretty cool and you can also add a an [TS]

00:33:26   msata SSD accelerator which accelerates [TS]

00:33:29   reading by adding a little SSD into the [TS]

00:33:31   equation and sort of cashing your files [TS]

00:33:33   and making it even faster than before so [TS]

00:33:36   drug has been around a long time the [TS]

00:33:37   first Robo launched in 2007 it's come a [TS]

00:33:40   long way since then [TS]

00:33:41   now they're super fast attached to your [TS]

00:33:43   network or attached to thunderbolt and [TS]

00:33:44   there's even a mini version that small [TS]

00:33:46   and portable and yet full of great [TS]

00:33:48   storage plus protecting your data [TS]

00:33:50   against drive failure which is key [TS]

00:33:52   because drives are going to fail like [TS]

00:33:54   human beings drives are mortal [TS]

00:33:57   anyway here's what you need to do you [TS]

00:33:59   want to check out the Robo go to drobo [TS]

00:34:01   store.com dr OBO store.com [TS]

00:34:05   and here's the offer code to use for [TS]

00:34:07   fifty dollars off either the drobo 5d or [TS]

00:34:10   the drobo 5n offer code smell [TS]

00:34:14   yeah that's a good one my name put in my [TS]

00:34:16   last name he had fifty dollars off [TS]

00:34:18   either the dribble five-year the drobo [TS]

00:34:20   5n at drugstore.com and thank you so [TS]

00:34:23   much to drobo for putting a single box [TS]

00:34:26   with all my stuff on it in my house and [TS]

00:34:29   for sponsoring me uncomfortable i wanted [TS]

00:34:31   to mention a couple a couple gags that I [TS]

00:34:33   really liked early 11 game that I like a [TS]

00:34:35   lot is the when hoegaarden Dean Hogarth [TS]

00:34:39   eventually takes the robot to dean at [TS]

00:34:41   the junkyard and there's that moment [TS]

00:34:43   where we're first Hogarth drinks [TS]

00:34:47   espresso and is bouncing off the walls [TS]

00:34:49   which I really like and you get all of [TS]

00:34:51   his backstory and that mean that 32nd [TS]

00:34:53   minute everything you ever learned about [TS]

00:34:56   Hogarth you get in 30 seconds well he's [TS]

00:34:58   hopped up on espresso [TS]

00:34:59   his name is Dean we like Dean is a very [TS]

00:35:02   nice line and then there's the really [TS]

00:35:04   funny things like nope nope no way see [TS]

00:35:06   forget it see you later cut to 37 [TS]

00:35:08   minutes later alright that's a really [TS]

00:35:12   nice guy like he can stay scene is also [TS]

00:35:15   really chill just like those engineers [TS]

00:35:17   you [TS]

00:35:17   he's there's there's some kids sneaking [TS]

00:35:19   around is scrap yard in the middle of [TS]

00:35:20   the night he's like come on in its main [TS]

00:35:22   you know gonna come hang out with this [TS]

00:35:25   crap art or scrap artist and have some [TS]

00:35:26   expresso will hang around my kimono i'm [TS]

00:35:29   totally i'm totally not creepy you know [TS]

00:35:30   you can't trust the man from the [TS]

00:35:32   government and that child grew up to be [TS]

00:35:35   Stephen can [TS]

00:35:36   yeah you know the yeah I like that [TS]

00:35:38   though there is that feeling of like [TS]

00:35:39   this is a town where people don't lock [TS]

00:35:41   the doors and you know and it's and it's [TS]

00:35:43   like sure kid whatever I mean and I [TS]

00:35:46   really feel it's like I know who your [TS]

00:35:47   mom is I know where you live you know I [TS]

00:35:49   go to the diner it's fine whatever [TS]

00:35:51   what's going on and he's cool he's cool [TS]

00:35:54   about it he doesn't have any chloroform [TS]

00:35:56   that he's staring first person he was [TS]

00:35:59   paying enough attention that he offered [TS]

00:36:01   him espresso and not something else at [TS]

00:36:02   least this is interesting though in that [TS]

00:36:04   it's a pg-rated animated movie where [TS]

00:36:07   they they clearly reference alcohol in [TS]

00:36:09   several occasions like they accused the [TS]

00:36:11   old codger at the beginning of being [TS]

00:36:13   drunk on whiskey or beer when he sees [TS]

00:36:15   the giant robot and then later you see [TS]

00:36:17   the general sitting in his room watching [TS]

00:36:19   some Western rather on TV while Mansley [TS]

00:36:21   talks to him and he's got some whiskey [TS]

00:36:23   neat sitting on sun the side table next [TS]

00:36:25   to him in general i like I always liked [TS]

00:36:28   when is a rational military person so we [TS]

00:36:31   have we have immensely being all the [TS]

00:36:33   crazy a detergent i think but the [TS]

00:36:34   general for the most part [TS]

00:36:35   John Mahoney he's totally reasonable I [TS]

00:36:38   mean he sees a little bit excitable but [TS]

00:36:40   in the end is like he wants to not harm [TS]

00:36:42   children he doesn't want to nuketown [TS]

00:36:44   main like he's got you know that's what [TS]

00:36:47   it takes to be reasonable [TS]

00:36:48   yeah I know everything or even when or [TS]

00:36:50   even when the guy calls him up assistant [TS]

00:36:51   giant robot is like stop bothering me [TS]

00:36:53   yeah i need to actually you need some [TS]

00:36:55   evidence i'm not getting out of my chair [TS]

00:36:57   until there's an actual robot not just [TS]

00:36:58   tales of her about whereas if he was [TS]

00:37:00   like a robot we got you know this if [TS]

00:37:02   he's not as cartoonish as he could be [TS]

00:37:05   yeah i like i like ammonia at the end he [TS]

00:37:07   is very clearly acting rationally hehe [TS]

00:37:10   he doesn't believe that the crazy robot [TS]

00:37:12   talk at the front and then at the end [TS]

00:37:13   it's very clear you know this movie [TS]

00:37:15   would have been a much lesser movie i [TS]

00:37:17   think if everybody in the town [TS]

00:37:19   misunderstands once lighting robot [TS]

00:37:21   doesn't becomes an angry mob and all of [TS]

00:37:23   that we have to kill the robot [TS]

00:37:25   united and no it's like he saves the kid [TS]

00:37:27   who's fallen the kids were falling off [TS]

00:37:29   the building and because they're looking [TS]

00:37:31   at him but he saves those kids and what [TS]

00:37:33   actually seems awfully miyazaki esque as [TS]

00:37:36   well [TS]

00:37:37   yes there's no ticker-tape after he [TS]

00:37:39   catch them up so there's that but you [TS]

00:37:42   know and everybody's like everything [TS]

00:37:43   like yeah we know yeah the robot and and [TS]

00:37:46   and the generals like this is not what [TS]

00:37:49   you know this is not what we thought it [TS]

00:37:50   was that we know we're not gonna we're [TS]

00:37:52   not going to do this I enjoy that after [TS]

00:37:54   Mansley orders the launch he uses his [TS]

00:37:58   last couple minutes on earth to like to [TS]

00:37:59   him out right [TS]

00:38:00   he's like I don't think a little bit of [TS]

00:38:02   time here i want to make sure that you [TS]

00:38:03   know how dumb you are before we die or [TS]

00:38:05   are making sure he can escape as if you [TS]

00:38:07   could drive away in gbg fast enough to [TS]

00:38:09   escape the do the oncoming nuclear blast [TS]

00:38:12   but he's looking for something to duck [TS]

00:38:13   and cover under I think there's nothing [TS]

00:38:16   out of the town square that he can hide [TS]

00:38:17   underneath this is the the cartoon [TS]

00:38:19   version of the add-on for Red October [TS]

00:38:21   you know you've murdered us it's not you [TS]

00:38:23   fool [TS]

00:38:25   but you know it's all okay in the end [TS]

00:38:27   what else before we get we shouldn't you [TS]

00:38:29   know get the end yet what else do people [TS]

00:38:33   i already talked about poop jokes that [TS]

00:38:34   was key that i bring up poop jokes i [TS]

00:38:37   like i like the way their relationship [TS]

00:38:39   evolves you know there's a lot of stuff [TS]

00:38:41   i was you know willing to well I'm not [TS]

00:38:44   like super critics but I was willing to [TS]

00:38:46   overlook you know a lot of stuff about [TS]

00:38:47   the skepticism like the town's not that [TS]

00:38:50   skeptical that a robot just save these [TS]

00:38:51   kids the mom seems to warm up to the [TS]

00:38:53   robot pretty fast I was okay with all [TS]

00:38:55   that because i love the way that Hogarth [TS]

00:38:57   and I mean you know really the heart of [TS]

00:38:59   the film the middle of the film so much [TS]

00:39:01   of it is about their relationship and [TS]

00:39:02   how quickly the robot is is getting this [TS]

00:39:07   new culture and I think that's a lot [TS]

00:39:08   really where the heart of the movie is [TS]

00:39:10   the you know beating heart of the movie [TS]

00:39:12   is you know getting the idea of Superman [TS]

00:39:14   and understanding you know this new [TS]

00:39:16   world that he's in I thought that was [TS]

00:39:17   that was all really well done and doing [TS]

00:39:19   it in this little steps and you know [TS]

00:39:21   doing the Cannonball and all that stuff [TS]

00:39:23   I thought that was really well done the [TS]

00:39:24   superman vs at amo thing is brilliant to [TS]

00:39:27   write because it's visit robots are [TS]

00:39:28   supposed to be the bad guys and and not [TS]

00:39:31   only is that a piece of pop culture from [TS]

00:39:34   the from the fifties like here's a [TS]

00:39:36   superman comic book [TS]

00:39:37   let's let's read it [TS]

00:39:38   trying to teach you about life on Earth [TS]

00:39:40   by showing you about this Superman an [TS]

00:39:42   evil robot which is not life on Earth [TS]

00:39:44   but you know it and and that he's like [TS]

00:39:47   no tomm Oh Superman beautiful [TS]

00:39:50   yea even even after showing the lesson [TS]

00:39:52   howarth wants to play act that game and [TS]

00:39:54   fourth wants to be the good guy wants [TS]

00:39:55   the robot to play the bad guy the robot [TS]

00:39:57   feels bad about playing the bad guy [TS]

00:39:59   because he doesn't want to be the bad [TS]

00:40:00   guy when that was one of my favorite [TS]

00:40:02   moments was not not just that you have [TS]

00:40:04   where he showing the comic books and [TS]

00:40:06   saying here Superman and here's Tom oh [TS]

00:40:07   but he also shows them the spirit which [TS]

00:40:10   is almost a throwaway moment [TS]

00:40:12   its just oh and here's the spirit here's [TS]

00:40:14   another good guy but you know the it's [TS]

00:40:16   very thematic because he's a hero who is [TS]

00:40:20   thought to be dead and he wakes up from [TS]

00:40:22   suspended animation and just becomes a [TS]

00:40:24   hero and it was just a really nice sort [TS]

00:40:28   of subtext great there and it's like oh [TS]

00:40:30   and then we'll go into Superman is that [TS]

00:40:32   a DC comic it is now the most the most [TS]

00:40:35   recent one the most recent book by [TS]

00:40:37   Darwyn Cooke was a TC book right but [TS]

00:40:39   that's a classic it's a classic [TS]

00:40:41   oh yeah that's from the forties yeah [TS]

00:40:43   okay that we should talk about the band [TS]

00:40:45   be seen there is a beautiful deer that [TS]

00:40:49   they spot and that that comes up to the [TS]

00:40:52   iron giant he touches it snows and it's [TS]

00:40:54   this really nice thing at least skittish [TS]

00:40:55   dear of all time of all time know they [TS]

00:40:57   are obviously feeding the deer in Maine [TS]

00:41:00   they're feeding it by hitting them by [TS]

00:41:01   hand well I mean we see that you know [TS]

00:41:03   like that dear doesn't you know it's [TS]

00:41:05   gonna have some light lifetime issues [TS]

00:41:07   with how far it's gonna make it [TS]

00:41:08   there's a big summer in florida subject [TS]

00:41:10   metal nipple that delivers dear food and [TS]

00:41:13   that's why he's not freaked out when the [TS]

00:41:14   gigantic fingerprint approaches knows [TS]

00:41:16   maybe dear aren't afraid of robots only [TS]

00:41:19   living things and maybe he has hearing [TS]

00:41:21   issues it's unclear yeah so then so then [TS]

00:41:24   the deer dies and and Hogarth is put in [TS]

00:41:26   the position of trying to explain like [TS]

00:41:28   death and other issues of the you know [TS]

00:41:31   death and what happens to us when we die [TS]

00:41:33   to this giant robot from outer space [TS]

00:41:36   which is fascinating to see a an [TS]

00:41:38   eight-year-old kid trying to explain [TS]

00:41:40   these these weighty matters to a robot [TS]

00:41:42   who basically doesn't even understand or [TS]

00:41:44   at least compared Lee speak any words [TS]

00:41:47   well he's trying to figure out whether [TS]

00:41:48   robots die is like well I guess you your [TS]

00:41:50   cut your mission [TS]

00:41:51   I mean but you have feelings and like a [TS]

00:41:53   lot of robots he doesn't thinking out [TS]

00:41:56   loud which you know maybe not realistic [TS]

00:41:58   but it's good for the movies where he's [TS]

00:41:59   talking about when he first finds the [TS]

00:42:00   robot [TS]

00:42:01   alright so what I can bring to my mom no [TS]

00:42:03   no get the screaming problem again [TS]

00:42:05   really just you know that we don't do [TS]

00:42:07   that that's what makes people shoot you [TS]

00:42:09   you know so like he's he's going to the [TS]

00:42:10   same thing when he gets asked this but [TS]

00:42:12   the robot are to explain death is like [TS]

00:42:14   no are you alive [TS]

00:42:16   guess you're alive yeah you're alive you [TS]

00:42:18   say you're probably died too [TS]

00:42:19   there's really a lot of exposition in [TS]

00:42:21   this film with the characters sort of [TS]

00:42:23   explaining what they're doing as they go [TS]

00:42:25   which normally I find kind of irritating [TS]

00:42:27   but in this case I was watching with my [TS]

00:42:28   seven-year-old son and there was a lot [TS]

00:42:30   of stuff I didn't have to explain to him [TS]

00:42:32   and it wasn't just over-the-top [TS]

00:42:34   irritating kind of a you know i am now [TS]

00:42:36   going to go to the bathroom kind of [TS]

00:42:38   stuff that was one like that he didn't [TS]

00:42:40   like when her off its not going to snow [TS]

00:42:42   that what's-his-name says he's [TS]

00:42:43   unconscious but he's ok right grant got [TS]

00:42:46   established in one line [TS]

00:42:47   yeah he could he could have a traumatic [TS]

00:42:49   brain injury who knows no no he's fine [TS]

00:42:51   well you just need to move the plot [TS]

00:42:52   along you need you need the road to [TS]

00:42:53   think he's dead you need the audience to [TS]

00:42:55   realize he's ok I mean I think that's [TS]

00:42:57   kind of the best part of the movie is [TS]

00:42:59   all the stuff we're Hogarth is you know [TS]

00:43:01   he's talking to us-based talking to the [TS]

00:43:02   robot and the robot the Giants not going [TS]

00:43:04   to say anything excited you know it's [TS]

00:43:05   not Lily's not verbally and look funny [TS]

00:43:07   robot guttural things but it works [TS]

00:43:10   really well and I think part of it is [TS]

00:43:11   the animation is great if you watch [TS]

00:43:12   those scenes again yogurt is Hogarth is [TS]

00:43:15   so kind of exaggerated and expressive he [TS]

00:43:18   talks with his hands in a way that I [TS]

00:43:19   don't think any children actually do but [TS]

00:43:21   it works really great i mean what one of [TS]

00:43:23   the things you can kind of do in terms [TS]

00:43:25   of like evaluating how effective that [TS]

00:43:27   animation is you know watch it with the [TS]

00:43:28   sound off in terms of seen you know what [TS]

00:43:30   does he communicate with his body [TS]

00:43:31   language that matches up with what he's [TS]

00:43:33   saying there's also just kind of looking [TS]

00:43:35   at him as like a silhouette he does so [TS]

00:43:37   much with his hands and like away from [TS]

00:43:38   his body on the totally conveys what's [TS]

00:43:41   going on and you know makes those things [TS]

00:43:42   interesting and not just exposition [TS]

00:43:44   about what's going on [TS]

00:43:45   it's also the look of somebody who's [TS]

00:43:46   trying to teach somebody who doesn't [TS]

00:43:48   understand your language is that [TS]

00:43:49   involuntary like you start getting into [TS]

00:43:51   the body language trying to like gesture [TS]

00:43:53   your way to understanding and that's [TS]

00:43:55   what Carter is doing with the with the [TS]

00:43:56   giant of a lot of points I think I [TS]

00:43:58   thought the scene where the robot was [TS]

00:44:00   imitating him worked on a lot a lot a [TS]

00:44:02   lot of levels because it was it was a [TS]

00:44:04   great [TS]

00:44:05   shortcut to helping us understand that [TS]

00:44:07   the robot we know was a learning machine [TS]

00:44:09   it could pick stuff up and it was trying [TS]

00:44:11   to emulate him and but it also sort of [TS]

00:44:14   showed that he wasn't threatening you [TS]

00:44:16   know what i mean and also the great [TS]

00:44:17   animation of like the weight of the [TS]

00:44:19   robot like blink landing you know to to [TS]

00:44:21   imitate Hogarth beautifully done [TS]

00:44:24   I love that where he sits where he sits [TS]

00:44:26   down the exact such an amazing little [TS]

00:44:29   little bit for all that that helpful [TS]

00:44:31   exposition sort of help my son get it as [TS]

00:44:35   because he was going along i think the [TS]

00:44:36   deer scene was maybe a little too [TS]

00:44:38   weighty for the seven-year-old his [TS]

00:44:41   response at that point as the deers [TS]

00:44:42   lying there and that the two rifles are [TS]

00:44:44   lying in the snow next to him he turns [TS]

00:44:46   to me and says that would be cool if you [TS]

00:44:48   picked up those guns and attach them to [TS]

00:44:50   himself and then when something bad [TS]

00:44:51   happened he'd go people watch tonight [TS]

00:44:55   with a nine-year-old the twelve-year-old [TS]

00:44:56   and they loved it but the nine-year-old [TS]

00:44:58   was wrapped from the first the first [TS]

00:45:00   scene is watching Hogarth getting [TS]

00:45:03   knocked unconscious as a little rough to [TS]

00:45:05   right i mean that's like I mean because [TS]

00:45:08   it's a kid and it's the protagonist that [TS]

00:45:10   feels a little you know this is why you [TS]

00:45:12   need to have parental guidance they [TS]

00:45:14   suggest parental guidance so guide he [TS]

00:45:18   got it immediately you know it's like [TS]

00:45:19   right right in that moment he's like but [TS]

00:45:21   the robot saved him [TS]

00:45:22   this well yes keep watching they also [TS]

00:45:26   have to have the robot like I mean it is [TS]

00:45:27   the so many it's not a lot of fat in [TS]

00:45:31   this movie that's there for no reason [TS]

00:45:32   like the train crashes to establish that [TS]

00:45:34   the little parts come back together [TS]

00:45:36   which will be important at the end of [TS]

00:45:37   the movie The Moron doesn't like and the [TS]

00:45:39   poking of the deer that one of the year [TS]

00:45:42   is dead like he goes to touch it is like [TS]

00:45:43   I don't touch it or he was about to like [TS]

00:45:45   stand it back up which i thought would [TS]

00:45:47   have been hilarious but me also another [TS]

00:45:48   program for kids movie but he does the [TS]

00:45:52   same gesture to her when her brothers in [TS]

00:45:53   the snow he goes to touch him and he [TS]

00:45:55   does the same little motion and hope [TS]

00:45:57   that doesn't move and you know he [TS]

00:45:58   doesn't understand the difference [TS]

00:45:59   between unconscious and dead or whatever [TS]

00:46:00   I you know that shorthand a lot of a lot [TS]

00:46:05   of economy of motion there they they get [TS]

00:46:07   things out that's why I think the plot [TS]

00:46:08   is really well structured like this [TS]

00:46:10   looks like we talked about Pixar's you [TS]

00:46:12   know brain trust and everything this [TS]

00:46:14   this looks like a movie that had gone [TS]

00:46:15   through a lot of story beat [TS]

00:46:18   polishing to say we got this this this [TS]

00:46:20   and it all fits together into a nice [TS]

00:46:21   beautiful puzzle and you know there's [TS]

00:46:23   and and everything is there for a reason [TS]

00:46:25   and it all works in it you know it's not [TS]

00:46:27   overly Telegraph that were insulting the [TS]

00:46:29   intelligence the audience but it is [TS]

00:46:31   clear enough that even a kid will get it [TS]

00:46:32   and you can have a gentle the robot is [TS]

00:46:36   like the the he gets that this is [TS]

00:46:38   something he needs to protect maybe like [TS]

00:46:40   the dairy cups in his hands even when he [TS]

00:46:42   like puts his hands down to have whole [TS]

00:46:44   earth walk out of his hand like his [TS]

00:46:45   fingers like turn into a little ramp [TS]

00:46:47   that Hogarth can walk down you know it [TS]

00:46:49   doesn't think I can just all drop them [TS]

00:46:51   from 10 feet and he'll be fine [TS]

00:46:52   it's it's got a general quality inn and [TS]

00:46:54   that's part of what's amazing to me [TS]

00:46:55   about the animation is how much the [TS]

00:46:57   robot is in the movie it isn't just like [TS]

00:46:59   this but there's a shot of a kind of [TS]

00:47:01   rubber suit over here [TS]

00:47:02   I mean he really is he's interacting [TS]

00:47:03   with everybody and you know understands [TS]

00:47:06   almost like a massive if you ever known [TS]

00:47:08   like a really large dog a dog that's [TS]

00:47:10   like really aware of how big it is in a [TS]

00:47:12   room he seems a little bit like cowed by [TS]

00:47:14   how big he is and how powerful he is [TS]

00:47:16   compared to these little people really [TS]

00:47:19   warming up to the idea that he is that [TS]

00:47:21   his actual purpose is something that is [TS]

00:47:23   like a guard and you know because I what [TS]

00:47:25   I don't want to really believe is that [TS]

00:47:27   he is a killing machine that is you know [TS]

00:47:30   about just being sent places in the [TS]

00:47:32   universe to slaughter people that well [TS]

00:47:34   if he were it would have been a really i [TS]

00:47:36   mean and i agree with you because i [TS]

00:47:38   think it worry I mean that would have [TS]

00:47:39   been a movie he would have he would have [TS]

00:47:41   been war of the worlds and he would have [TS]

00:47:43   looked for the weakest thing he could [TS]

00:47:44   destroy it anytime [TS]

00:47:45   that's the whole point of the the dent [TS]

00:47:46   in his head he's he lands on his head [TS]

00:47:48   and he ends up you know violating his [TS]

00:47:51   programming because he's temporarily my [TS]

00:47:53   name is the self-determination think [TS]

00:47:54   it's like you choose what you are if you [TS]

00:47:56   are just a thing than someone then it's [TS]

00:47:58   just like an animated gonna have a bad [TS]

00:48:00   guy has the gun has bad things with a [TS]

00:48:01   good guy has a gun it is good that you [TS]

00:48:03   know everybody if you are not just a gun [TS]

00:48:05   if you're not an amateur object then you [TS]

00:48:07   have a choice about what to do and what [TS]

00:48:09   he's fighting against his you know he's [TS]

00:48:10   a programmer or whatever is defensive [TS]

00:48:12   and that even if you choose to be a good [TS]

00:48:14   person or even if you are a good person [TS]

00:48:15   in your heart if you if your eyes turn [TS]

00:48:18   into little red tits right every time [TS]

00:48:20   points good you're getting active the [TS]

00:48:22   Cold War things like oh yeah now we're [TS]

00:48:24   all good people but don't point a gun to [TS]

00:48:26   me because then I turn into the giant [TS]

00:48:27   crazy thing with the million [TS]

00:48:28   you know laser-shooting snakes coming [TS]

00:48:30   out of my shoulders and and and that's [TS]

00:48:32   that's why it's important that every [TS]

00:48:34   time he does that is because it is [TS]

00:48:36   purely defensive reaction he's not going [TS]

00:48:39   out there and hunting things and that's [TS]

00:48:41   why I like to believe that the dentin [TS]

00:48:43   his head is to have him lose his mission [TS]

00:48:46   and not know where he's supposed to be [TS]

00:48:48   here who he is but I i would like to [TS]

00:48:50   believe that the United again we are [TS]

00:48:53   arguing about the personality of a giant [TS]

00:48:54   metal the creature but i like it on time [TS]

00:48:57   ya sure ya later we'll talk about the [TS]

00:49:00   real robots so I'd like to believe that [TS]

00:49:06   the that the giant isn't fundamentally [TS]

00:49:09   is a defender I think that's a really [TS]

00:49:10   good way to think that he acts he [TS]

00:49:12   responds with lethal force when attacked [TS]

00:49:15   but he's not going out and seeking [TS]

00:49:17   things to destroy and so I like that [TS]

00:49:19   thought that this is a creature that's [TS]

00:49:21   built with huge armaments but you know [TS]

00:49:23   is not fundamentally we see he is not [TS]

00:49:26   fundamentally a destroyer of things he [TS]

00:49:29   he only acts when he's when he shot at [TS]

00:49:31   now I think that's something that's [TS]

00:49:32   plausible like you be he might be shot [TS]

00:49:34   out like a decent part of some [TS]

00:49:35   intelligent alien force you might be [TS]

00:49:36   shot out to some planet where we don't [TS]

00:49:38   know what's gonna happen [TS]

00:49:39   hey listen don't shoot the place up [TS]

00:49:41   unless somebody's shooting at you and [TS]

00:49:43   then that's something we need to know [TS]

00:49:44   about and you need to defend I think [TS]

00:49:46   it's sensible alright well either way [TS]

00:49:47   we're totally screwed because even if [TS]

00:49:49   he's a defensive weapon [TS]

00:49:50   what are the odds that for five more of [TS]

00:49:52   these things land on Earth and they are [TS]

00:49:53   shot and it stays worry it came here [TS]

00:49:56   accidentally but I think he's an [TS]

00:49:57   offensive weapon and i think that the [TS]

00:49:59   reason that's like the defensive stuff [TS]

00:50:01   like your reflexes if you touch [TS]

00:50:02   something hot like you can't that's not [TS]

00:50:04   gonna come out of you from getting a [TS]

00:50:05   knock in the head but you forget your [TS]

00:50:07   programming so he's essentially you know [TS]

00:50:09   forgotten what his programming mission [TS]

00:50:11   is and could be commanded to be an [TS]

00:50:12   attack robot I think that's what he is [TS]

00:50:14   an attacker but underneath it all is the [TS]

00:50:16   well you don't defend yourself so the [TS]

00:50:18   defensive stuff is still there and at [TS]

00:50:19   the end when he gets really mad because [TS]

00:50:21   they killed Hogarth the dent pops out of [TS]

00:50:23   his head and after that he's ready to [TS]

00:50:25   shoot Hogarth fourth is not a threat to [TS]

00:50:26   him heart's not pointing got an empty [TS]

00:50:28   was about the blast him until Hogarth [TS]

00:50:30   you said you choose you have to choose [TS]

00:50:32   who you are so on and so forth so I i [TS]

00:50:34   totally think he's an offensive weapon [TS]

00:50:35   on the planet that he came from or [TS]

00:50:37   whatever it's just that programming and [TS]

00:50:39   not [TS]

00:50:39   Adam and all that was left was like the [TS]

00:50:40   brainstem kind of if you are threatened [TS]

00:50:43   by something looks like a gun and what [TS]

00:50:44   and you know what a gun looks like 200 [TS]

00:50:46   baht you react but at the end he goes [TS]

00:50:48   full bore offensive he's destroying [TS]

00:50:50   everything in its path including almost [TS]

00:50:51   home birth because his anger you know [TS]

00:50:53   pops a dent out of his head in typical [TS]

00:50:55   animation exaggerated fashion always [TS]

00:50:58   pretty good about targeting the the [TS]

00:51:00   tanks and the military vehicles and [TS]

00:51:02   things and not taking out buildings and [TS]

00:51:03   whatnots GI joe people check just in [TS]

00:51:05   time you know [TS]

00:51:06   yeah well you know he's he's not [TS]

00:51:08   Superman at least the man of steel [TS]

00:51:09   superman because he actually takes care [TS]

00:51:12   of buildings John you know I i we can I [TS]

00:51:15   like i said i would like to buy I like [TS]

00:51:17   this idea of trying to believe that he's [TS]

00:51:19   not a killing machine although that [TS]

00:51:20   definitely is a perfectly reasonable [TS]

00:51:21   interpretation i only mention this to [TS]

00:51:24   mention that in a chat room we have an [TS]

00:51:26   opinion that the Iron Giant is actually [TS]

00:51:28   a Love Machine and i think i just wanted [TS]

00:51:30   to put that out there i think that's [TS]

00:51:32   wise words wise words that's a different [TS]

00:51:35   really know what I've seen that movie [TS]

00:51:37   too [TS]

00:51:37   I i want to mention a couple of things [TS]

00:51:39   while we're talking about a giant so we [TS]

00:51:42   got to talk about Vin Diesel I think you [TS]

00:51:43   know is this vin diesel's greatest [TS]

00:51:45   performance or only you know well now it [TS]

00:51:47   is [TS]

00:51:48   we'll find out next month Groot yeah [TS]

00:51:50   pitch-black pitch-black is pretty good [TS]

00:51:52   yeah [TS]

00:51:53   pitch black is good I bet he's gonna be [TS]

00:51:55   a great group I got a good feeling [TS]

00:51:57   sure similar number of lines yes you [TS]

00:51:59   know so he's good in moderation or in [TS]

00:52:03   lots in quantity both really versatile [TS]

00:52:05   but it's it's a great i mean you need a [TS]

00:52:07   rumbly you need a rumbly robot voice and [TS]

00:52:10   Vin Diesel provides a great rumbly robot [TS]

00:52:13   voice for the iron job he says voice is [TS]

00:52:15   so process though he has so few lines in [TS]

00:52:17   it so process that the animation does [TS]

00:52:19   most of the acting from a tiny did a bad [TS]

00:52:20   job or anybody's he's buried in this [TS]

00:52:22   movie and yet one of his best [TS]

00:52:24   performances this is what I'm saying [TS]

00:52:25   it's supposedly they wanted to have like [TS]

00:52:28   a purely mechanical voice but then they [TS]

00:52:30   decided I i feel like i can hear a voice [TS]

00:52:32   in there one of the wacky things in this [TS]

00:52:33   movie that I want to mention is Bogaerts [TS]

00:52:35   sleep off with Mansley it haha one one [TS]

00:52:39   step above a staring contest is the [TS]

00:52:42   they're both across the hallway from [TS]

00:52:44   each other [TS]

00:52:45   bowing to stay awake and not let the [TS]

00:52:47   other one have the upper hand by being [TS]

00:52:49   awake but so brilliant know how it [TS]

00:52:51   incorporates like the helm [TS]

00:52:52   that we've been seeing him where his [TS]

00:52:54   dad's helmet like how great is that [TS]

00:52:56   yeah and then at the end Mansley it has [TS]

00:52:59   has 1 and then he falls asleep he falls [TS]

00:53:01   asleep and wakes up and sees the whole [TS]

00:53:03   car still in his bed and goes haha our [TS]

00:53:04   morning can then he walks by this [TS]

00:53:08   morning got a loud laugh from myself [TS]

00:53:10   what might my gag my favorite gagging [TS]

00:53:13   the movie is when you open can't is on [TS]

00:53:16   the phone with the with the Frasers dad [TS]

00:53:18   and and freaking out and he staring at [TS]

00:53:20   the oven mitt with the wacky face like [TS]

00:53:22   making like the goofy face as if to say [TS]

00:53:26   don't you tell me I'm crazy flips the [TS]

00:53:28   oven mitt around such a perfect note [TS]

00:53:31   when John was talking about how compact [TS]

00:53:34   this movie is I just wanted to bring up [TS]

00:53:36   the fact that it's it's refreshing after [TS]

00:53:38   to a two-and-a-half-hour animated films [TS]

00:53:41   to encounter one that gets it done in [TS]

00:53:43   one and a half hours it's it's amazing [TS]

00:53:46   i've been for a while watching this film [TS]

00:53:48   the first time for the first time in I [TS]

00:53:50   don't know 15 years or whatever it's [TS]

00:53:52   been like man that there wasn't that [TS]

00:53:56   much to that movie and it took me a [TS]

00:53:57   while to realize yeah that's fine [TS]

00:53:59   they didn't need anymore everything [TS]

00:54:02   that's in this movie is in here for a [TS]

00:54:03   reason and that's it there's not a bunch [TS]

00:54:06   of fluff and there's not a bunch of [TS]

00:54:08   extra gags turn in for no reason it's [TS]

00:54:10   fairly light on the gags even though the [TS]

00:54:11   ones that are there good and involve [TS]

00:54:13   poop generally but the last film that i [TS]

00:54:15   watch for this for this podcast with [TS]

00:54:17   1776 haha how did how does that compare [TS]

00:54:22   you to watch this movie back forward [TS]

00:54:23   then backward and then forward again the [TS]

00:54:25   poop jokes aren't quite as good [TS]

00:54:27   that's true but the poop songs are [TS]

00:54:30   amazing but but you can actually get [TS]

00:54:32   through this movie without having to [TS]

00:54:33   poop which is nice so we talk about the [TS]

00:54:35   end let's talk about the end [TS]

00:54:38   okay does this man have an opening [TS]

00:54:41   statement about yeah you know I don't [TS]

00:54:43   want to [TS]

00:54:44   I you know I don't wanna be pegged with [TS]

00:54:46   that I i like the end that I think maybe [TS]

00:54:49   kind of should have been the end I think [TS]

00:54:51   it's one of the UH god I mean like huh [TS]

00:54:54   room getting hot and dusty at the end of [TS]

00:54:56   this movie does not i get real dust we [TS]

00:54:58   watched we watched it the other night in [TS]

00:54:59   mind my daughters like you know why do [TS]

00:55:01   you always get weird and smoothly and [TS]

00:55:03   like that's it it's [TS]

00:55:04   it's it's amazing how it gets its it's [TS]

00:55:07   so perfect and you know I I just feel [TS]

00:55:09   like it really is [TS]

00:55:11   hmm so we're going through two things [TS]

00:55:13   just very unrelated to what you guys [TS]

00:55:15   just said we've been with huge Harry [TS]

00:55:16   Potter movies at our house we watch [TS]

00:55:18   harry potter movie like every night and [TS]

00:55:20   the watch tonight is a hundred and [TS]

00:55:22   fifty-seven minutes long [TS]

00:55:24   it was really good but it's really [TS]

00:55:26   really really long time trying to [TS]

00:55:28   explain to my daughter the idea of [TS]

00:55:29   compression in storytelling like the [TS]

00:55:31   idea that like when you see Hedwig like [TS]

00:55:33   flying and it's green and then flying [TS]

00:55:36   and it's white and snowy out like that's [TS]

00:55:39   a real attorney explained her that's a [TS]

00:55:40   good piece of compression like letting [TS]

00:55:41   you know now it's Christmastime right [TS]

00:55:43   you know just those little things that [TS]

00:55:44   like we don't have to tell you [TS]

00:55:45   everything that happened every day but [TS]

00:55:48   geez sometimes it just feels like it [TS]

00:55:49   goes on and on every move you watch [TS]

00:55:51   these days that's like fantastical or [TS]

00:55:53   sci-fi is always two and a half hours [TS]

00:55:55   long [TS]

00:55:56   you know I don't mean that I don't have [TS]

00:55:57   a don't have a note on how to make that [TS]

00:55:59   better but it just feels like and [TS]

00:56:01   certainly in those books are like making [TS]

00:56:02   movies shorter how about that one that's [TS]

00:56:04   a pretty good one but that's a 4-inch [TS]

00:56:06   book so I understand like why that [TS]

00:56:08   happens but but also just this idea of [TS]

00:56:10   like and they're almost restrained with [TS]

00:56:12   with harry potter by the fact that if [TS]

00:56:14   they're not utterly slavish to the book [TS]

00:56:15   that they get huge complaints from them [TS]

00:56:17   the hordes of potter fans they got they [TS]

00:56:20   got people that people thought they were [TS]

00:56:21   too slavish with the first couple and [TS]

00:56:23   then after that they weren't slaves [TS]

00:56:24   enough anyway but but also you know just [TS]

00:56:27   getting into that idea of like how much [TS]

00:56:29   of this like keep the story moving [TS]

00:56:30   forward and actually honestly most of [TS]

00:56:32   the harry potter ones are pretty good at [TS]

00:56:34   that but like you know the adventures is [TS]

00:56:35   good but it's so long all these movies [TS]

00:56:37   are so long [TS]

00:56:38   this one I thought that by the time we [TS]

00:56:41   get to the point where stuff is really [TS]

00:56:42   going down in rockwell like I I felt [TS]

00:56:45   like like a lot of the lot of the [TS]

00:56:47   different threads in the movie came [TS]

00:56:49   together like really elegantly write it [TS]

00:56:51   right you know all the stuff that they [TS]

00:56:53   want to say about guns also if they want [TS]

00:56:54   to say about the Cold War about [TS]

00:56:55   understanding i felt like that all came [TS]

00:56:57   together really well at the point of [TS]

00:56:59   three catches the kids and I just [TS]

00:57:01   thought it was amazingly well done given [TS]

00:57:02   you know how how tight the story was [TS]

00:57:05   that was amazing [TS]

00:57:06   this is the point where you you've [TS]

00:57:07   gotten to the point where you believe [TS]

00:57:08   that this robot is is a is a person with [TS]

00:57:12   his own decisions that he can make and [TS]

00:57:14   so when he makes his act of [TS]

00:57:16   self-sacrifice there's the moment where [TS]

00:57:18   he realizes that this killing machine or [TS]

00:57:20   at least this machine armed with all [TS]

00:57:22   these these weapons what he decides to [TS]

00:57:24   do is not you know it is not anything on [TS]

00:57:28   that level he decides to just fly upward [TS]

00:57:30   to intercept the nuclear missile and [TS]

00:57:32   save the town and sacrifice himself that [TS]

00:57:35   is a decision you know [TS]

00:57:36   hogar says that you got to choose what [TS]

00:57:38   you want to be and he chooses super [TS]

00:57:40   being Superman especially given that we [TS]

00:57:43   just we just saw that like Hogarth like [TS]

00:57:45   causes him to like shoot off kind of off [TS]

00:57:48   to the right of blowing up the the boat [TS]

00:57:50   out on the water and we get that he is [TS]

00:57:52   kind of a bomb like he could be a very [TS]

00:57:54   serious threat but his reaction is to is [TS]

00:57:56   to be Superman [TS]

00:57:57   yeah well it had already decided early [TS]

00:57:59   in the movie he decided what he wants to [TS]

00:58:01   be that's the whole that's the whole [TS]

00:58:02   identifying with the robot aspect of the [TS]

00:58:04   movie soon so the comic book is like you [TS]

00:58:06   know Tom oh whatever he says now [TS]

00:58:07   Superman yeah that's the address on the [TS]

00:58:09   thing like he totally decided I'm going [TS]

00:58:11   like so many of us is that I'm going to [TS]

00:58:13   be a good person right but he failed he [TS]

00:58:15   fails in well that's interesting too [TS]

00:58:17   because he seems intrigued by at amo at [TS]

00:58:19   least briefly what he wants to know what [TS]

00:58:21   everyone else thinks of him but he but [TS]

00:58:22   he wants to be Superman and he fails at [TS]

00:58:24   being Superman repeatedly constantly [TS]

00:58:25   whatever gun comes out he's almost [TS]

00:58:26   camera skills whole got the couple times [TS]

00:58:28   he almost nukes that the the battleships [TS]

00:58:30   I and the end of the movie isnot now I [TS]

00:58:33   finally decided to be what he was trying [TS]

00:58:34   to be good the whole time the end of the [TS]

00:58:36   movies him successfully being good for [TS]

00:58:38   him from turning his desire to be a good [TS]

00:58:41   person into actions that you know you [TS]

00:58:43   don't mean it's like that so it's not [TS]

00:58:44   that hard to want to be Superman it's [TS]

00:58:46   hard to actually do it on the day right [TS]

00:58:48   and especially hard for him because you [TS]

00:58:50   know he's its programming or the do it [TS]

00:58:52   is designed he's designed to be he's got [TS]

00:58:54   all these weapons coming out we designed [TS]

00:58:56   the building up that's what he's good at [TS]

00:58:57   all these excuses of why he's failing to [TS]

00:59:00   fulfill is everything at the end of the [TS]

00:59:01   movie it's it's him realizing as he goes [TS]

00:59:04   up to the missile that he is he has now [TS]

00:59:06   become the thing that he wanted to [TS]

00:59:08   become and also is dying at the same [TS]

00:59:09   time which is why we land in like that [TS]

00:59:12   watching the movie many many many times [TS]

00:59:14   it every time I watch it I think it's [TS]

00:59:15   not going to affect me this times I've [TS]

00:59:17   seen it I've seen it so many times like [TS]

00:59:18   it's so it's so corny you know i am now [TS]

00:59:20   I'm not a gun it's like it's like is [TS]

00:59:22   that little on-the-nose writing-wise [TS]

00:59:24   it's like it's like three is three [TS]

00:59:26   syllables three syllables and you're [TS]

00:59:28   like all right and it's and it's also so [TS]

00:59:30   on-the-nose you're like oh is that you [TS]

00:59:32   can come up with something better than [TS]

00:59:33   that it's like a kid's mind that it's [TS]

00:59:34   still it's still works every time [TS]

00:59:35   well it's perfectly orchestrated right i [TS]

00:59:37   mean he's flying through space the the [TS]

00:59:39   missile turns around there's a great [TS]

00:59:42   swell the score you get Hogarth echoing [TS]

00:59:45   in his head you are what you choose to [TS]

00:59:46   be [TS]

00:59:47   he says Superman kind of you know stoic [TS]

00:59:50   Lee and then he closes his eyes and [TS]

00:59:52   that's what kills me he closes his eyes [TS]

00:59:53   and it's he's got like a little bit of a [TS]

00:59:55   smile on his face even though he knows [TS]

00:59:57   what's coming and it should be you [TS]

00:59:58   couldn't possibly have [TS]

00:59:58   couldn't possibly have [TS]

01:00:00   orchestrated that better it works so [TS]

01:00:02   perfectly [TS]

01:00:03   yeah it's kind of like pie too bad it [TS]

01:00:06   wasn't this episode with you Jason but [TS]

01:00:07   kinda like The Karate Kid corny in every [TS]

01:00:10   possible way that you could be corny but [TS]

01:00:12   when the host party pieces come together [TS]

01:00:13   in just the right way you realize why [TS]

01:00:15   this is a formula that works so we [TS]

01:00:18   should talk about the end and part which [TS]

01:00:21   is the you know what I've been starting [TS]

01:00:23   to call the ET ending which is you you [TS]

01:00:26   know i have an opening statement for [TS]

01:00:27   this sort of oh ok well i can't wait to [TS]

01:00:31   the end and it's not really an opening [TS]

01:00:32   statements not my opening statement so [TS]

01:00:34   at this point in the movie [TS]

01:00:36   my son had been watching the whole thing [TS]

01:00:37   in raptured my daughter walked into the [TS]

01:00:40   room to have some lunch she decided not [TS]

01:00:41   to watch with and she was munching on [TS]

01:00:45   something at the table and the whole [TS]

01:00:48   real ending happens where he blows up [TS]

01:00:50   and she says this movie is sad didn't [TS]

01:00:53   see any of it up to this point but she's [TS]

01:00:54   clearly this movie is sad and then my [TS]

01:00:56   son the seven-year-old with a smile [TS]

01:00:58   turns around and says no it's not going [TS]

01:01:00   to be sad i know what's going to happen [TS]

01:01:02   it happens in all movies who is not [TS]

01:01:07   wrong it and yeah a little bit later he [TS]

01:01:09   gets presented with the bolt and he [TS]

01:01:10   looked back with the most knowing green [TS]

01:01:13   i'm casey i have an opening statement [TS]

01:01:16   here too [TS]

01:01:16   I don't stipulate I like I I against my [TS]

01:01:19   better judgment I i still find myself [TS]

01:01:21   melting a little bit at the endemic and [TS]

01:01:24   and I think partly because of the [TS]

01:01:26   swelling music and it is very well done [TS]

01:01:28   and that wonderful like sort of like a [TS]

01:01:30   simulation like a tracking shot like you [TS]

01:01:32   know yeah that was great but the pieces [TS]

01:01:34   moving in the fog [TS]

01:01:36   yeah it's very very well done and you [TS]

01:01:38   get to that face and it's it's it really [TS]

01:01:40   is great and I'm so happy for my kid [TS]

01:01:43   that she gets to see the the robot being [TS]

01:01:44   alive but I kind of the two things I [TS]

01:01:51   don't like about this movie are the [TS]

01:01:52   typefaces in the credits and and it's [TS]

01:01:55   been attacked on ending and I there's [TS]

01:01:57   still this part of us i was just [TS]

01:01:59   shooting with a friend of mine who works [TS]

01:02:01   at Pixar about this like you know I [TS]

01:02:03   still have really mixed feelings about [TS]

01:02:05   that ending I kind of feel like it it [TS]

01:02:07   should have if it really was all the [TS]

01:02:10   breadboard movie a kind [TS]

01:02:11   give I don't know either my Karma's sake [TS]

01:02:13   I kind of feel like it shouldn't have [TS]

01:02:14   had that ending you guys prefer the like [TS]

01:02:16   the alternate ending to ET where it's an [TS]

01:02:18   alien autopsy video is I discover he [TS]

01:02:23   said oh yeah he's still white and being [TS]

01:02:25   dissected that's what you guys are [TS]

01:02:26   looking for [TS]

01:02:27   well supposedly brad bird's original [TS]

01:02:28   script had had a very different ending [TS]

01:02:30   with with the USA and USSR at war or [TS]

01:02:33   something [TS]

01:02:33   I tried to be good I i will say normally [TS]

01:02:37   I hate that kind of you know the feeling [TS]

01:02:40   of attacked on your always a happy [TS]

01:02:41   ending but now this this is coming from [TS]

01:02:44   sort of a theologian you know if he's [TS]

01:02:47   also a Christ figure right you have to [TS]

01:02:50   have a resurrection at the end you know [TS]

01:02:53   it just it it connects that way so it [TS]

01:02:55   made sense to me it was like it was ok [TS]

01:02:57   watching it today I almost thought it [TS]

01:02:59   would be better if if they had just [TS]

01:03:01   ended it on the scene of the bolt sort [TS]

01:03:03   of rolling through the grass towards god [TS]

01:03:05   knows what I yeah that's the same it's [TS]

01:03:07   the same ending mow it is effectively [TS]

01:03:09   because you know that the head has to [TS]

01:03:11   have its little antenna to be attracting [TS]

01:03:13   the pieces to it but it's a little on [TS]

01:03:14   the nose to end with with him being okay [TS]

01:03:17   after another atomic well i'll let you [TS]

01:03:19   gotta like tune in next week for the [TS]

01:03:20   other net further adventures of the iron [TS]

01:03:22   giant you want to go into the cereals [TS]

01:03:24   that the science-fiction cereals that he [TS]

01:03:25   was watching this movie pays homage to [TS]

01:03:28   so much that I mean I i agree didn't [TS]

01:03:31   need to be there for kids movie it's a [TS]

01:03:32   type of thing i can imagine an executive [TS]

01:03:34   side while the Giants gotta live right [TS]

01:03:35   we have got to have that damning but on [TS]

01:03:37   the other hand it's not like whether the [TS]

01:03:40   bolts rolling away you see the smiling [TS]

01:03:42   face [TS]

01:03:42   I think the main problem is story-wise [TS]

01:03:44   is that you don't you don't have [TS]

01:03:45   anywhere to go from there [TS]

01:03:46   that the move like you already had your [TS]

01:03:48   ending and now you've introduced this [TS]

01:03:51   new thing that that is intriguing over [TS]

01:03:52   the Giants alive and then immediately [TS]

01:03:54   you think kid or adult well then what [TS]

01:03:56   happens now to Syria somebody go back to [TS]

01:03:57   heart as you live in the town does he [TS]

01:03:59   work this he carries lumber you carry [TS]

01:04:01   lumber for main I mean like at some [TS]

01:04:03   point we're gonna run out of scrap to [TS]

01:04:04   feed this guy and then what's gonna [TS]

01:04:06   happen quickly edit and like you say ski [TS]

01:04:08   then his buddies his buddies are gonna [TS]

01:04:09   come down it's not gonna be so fun [TS]

01:04:10   you honestly the fact that he survived [TS]

01:04:12   the bomb just makes me more worried [TS]

01:04:14   about let's go well and also his I [TS]

01:04:17   thought about that when I watched it [TS]

01:04:18   that the surviving the bomb like oh how [TS]

01:04:20   could how could you have survived that [TS]

01:04:22   you know that they go bomb and I feel [TS]

01:04:23   like the the design of this robot is [TS]

01:04:25   such that is designed to come apart [TS]

01:04:27   easily so the nuclear blast doesn't [TS]

01:04:29   doesn't melt him but rather just [TS]

01:04:32   disperses the parts and of course the [TS]

01:04:33   sparks are autonomous and they can find [TS]

01:04:35   those you want the thing to break apart [TS]

01:04:36   and spread away from the blast rather [TS]

01:04:38   than sort of absorbing it doesn't really [TS]

01:04:40   make much sense but it makes a little [TS]

01:04:41   bit of sense actually I'm not I'm not [TS]

01:04:43   entirely convinced that the the nuclear [TS]

01:04:45   bomb itself goes off i think that maybe [TS]

01:04:47   he impacts the missile in at edits at [TS]

01:04:50   its height and the missile explodes and [TS]

01:04:53   you know if you hit a nuclear so what [TS]

01:04:54   you're saying is that there's atomic [TS]

01:04:55   space junk still floating around up [TS]

01:04:57   there oh it's a dirty bomb well it's [TS]

01:04:59   floated all over the AK could have been [TS]

01:05:00   outside the atmosphere and it could have [TS]

01:05:02   just you know got swept away and burned [TS]

01:05:04   out because you know that I I an atomic [TS]

01:05:06   bomb has to be very precisely detonated [TS]

01:05:08   or it doesn't actually do the chain [TS]

01:05:09   reaction so I think he smashed into it [TS]

01:05:11   flung into a million pieces the the [TS]

01:05:13   missile itself you know plunged into the [TS]

01:05:15   Atlantic and it was the prettiest thing [TS]

01:05:17   it's the percussion of the strike [TS]

01:05:19   yeah yeah he backed into it and and [TS]

01:05:22   prevented from doing the big big nuclear [TS]

01:05:24   Club that's what i'm gonna choose to [TS]

01:05:26   believe what do we know an atomic bomb [TS]

01:05:28   does in space where it doesn't have air [TS]

01:05:30   as a medium or at least not much if this [TS]

01:05:32   if this were a whaling now in retrospect [TS]

01:05:33   that reminds me of the end of wolverine [TS]

01:05:37   wolverine origins movie for Deadpool put [TS]

01:05:40   his head back on like this what is this [TS]

01:05:42   what a Marvel movie that would have been [TS]

01:05:43   after the credits i like wow that's [TS]

01:05:45   that's true I i think i do think you [TS]

01:05:47   have to end the movie this way and I [TS]

01:05:48   don't mind because I i feel i feel that [TS]

01:05:50   the Giants it when this with this kind [TS]

01:05:53   of ending is bad is when in hindsight if [TS]

01:05:56   you feel like the the it wasn't a [TS]

01:05:58   sacrifice that they didn't truly make [TS]

01:06:00   the sacrifice expecting that it would be [TS]

01:06:02   a sacrifice but he knew it was he knew [TS]

01:06:04   it was a sacrifice [TS]

01:06:05   yeah he closes his eyes he's expecting [TS]

01:06:08   that this is the end and and then you [TS]

01:06:10   also get the what i think is really [TS]

01:06:12   important you get the town has built [TS]

01:06:14   this statue of him which is also one of [TS]

01:06:18   those things that makes the room a [TS]

01:06:19   little dusty for me is that they he was [TS]

01:06:22   appreciated and not hated and here is [TS]

01:06:24   he'll always be here in the children [TS]

01:06:25   will look at this this statue of the of [TS]

01:06:27   the iron giant and then at the end yeah [TS]

01:06:29   it's more like it's just a nice it's not [TS]

01:06:33   it puts a smile on your face at the end [TS]

01:06:34   o [TS]

01:06:35   oh but but wait and then that's it and [TS]

01:06:38   you never get the door closes and and [TS]

01:06:40   you feel like isn't that nice that he [TS]

01:06:41   still has possibilities and the end [TS]

01:06:43   right maybe he'll grow up to be the king [TS]

01:06:46   of Iceland or something I don't know but [TS]

01:06:48   robot King benevolent robot king of [TS]

01:06:50   Iceland well he can fly back to where [TS]

01:06:52   he's from and tell him not to blow the [TS]

01:06:53   crap out of us because maybe what the [TS]

01:06:55   second movies about I'm I'm just happy [TS]

01:06:57   he didn't wink at the end haha but you [TS]

01:07:02   know as as as it goes black and I'm [TS]

01:07:04   sitting there looking at the font and [TS]

01:07:06   cringing and twitching can we talk about [TS]

01:07:08   the font is it just me yeah it's no it's [TS]

01:07:11   not just you [TS]

01:07:11   what is that like euro-style what is [TS]

01:07:13   that oh god it looks like the opening [TS]

01:07:16   credits from tech war it's it's like [TS]

01:07:19   what is with this fun but you know we're [TS]

01:07:21   sitting there and then my [TS]

01:07:22   twelve-year-old immediately says so when [TS]

01:07:24   do they make iron giant two giant harder [TS]

01:07:26   as well [TS]

01:07:28   nah I don't know yet that's when the [TS]

01:07:30   love robot programming really comes out [TS]

01:07:32   kind of horrible face who would pick [TS]

01:07:35   that would pick that is look at the [TS]

01:07:37   here's the thing here's the thing about [TS]

01:07:38   Brad berg you look at like all of this [TS]

01:07:40   stuff in his movies he cares so much [TS]

01:07:42   about like how every newspaper looks you [TS]

01:07:44   go and look at like in the incredibles [TS]

01:07:46   look at how all of like all that stuff [TS]

01:07:48   looks who picked those fonts it was not [TS]

01:07:51   brad bird it's kind of like being an [TS]

01:07:53   author where you don't get to pick the [TS]

01:07:54   title of your book will in non Pixar [TS]

01:07:56   studios and seems like people who make [TS]

01:07:58   the movies don't get to pick the credits [TS]

01:08:00   no I mean this was made on a very very [TS]

01:08:02   low budget you know for an animated [TS]

01:08:03   feature and on a very tight schedule so [TS]

01:08:06   maybe this was just one of those things [TS]

01:08:07   we're gonna do 70 million dollars that's [TS]

01:08:09   not a low-budget did you guys see you [TS]

01:08:11   guys see this [TS]

01:08:12   I I had no idea like I've been off the [TS]

01:08:13   cable for a long time did you guys see [TS]

01:08:15   this when it was played on what they say [TS]

01:08:18   on cartoon network they would play this [TS]

01:08:20   for like 24 hours once a year to get [TS]

01:08:23   guys know about that is that is our you [TS]

01:08:25   guys for sought I saw their one-year [TS]

01:08:28   this is their Christmas this is like [TS]

01:08:30   their christmas story like they would [TS]

01:08:31   they would play this for 24 hours on [TS]

01:08:34   yeah that's what wikipedia says anyway I [TS]

01:08:36   heard about this from roger ebert you [TS]

01:08:38   know because he gave it a really [TS]

01:08:39   positive review and while she's gotta [TS]

01:08:41   wash now that was what what made me say [TS]

01:08:44   it before we had kids was problem that [TS]

01:08:46   was probably Roger [TS]

01:08:47   childhood too so of course he's going to [TS]

01:08:49   give it a big thumbs up I didn't want to [TS]

01:08:50   go back to get it was very briefly [TS]

01:08:52   mentioned but i really like that scene [TS]

01:08:54   where he's presenting the comic books [TS]

01:08:56   and he goes through you know the [TS]

01:08:59   superman comic and he goes through tommo [TS]

01:09:01   and it's it's clear at that point that [TS]

01:09:03   the the Giant is intrigued by the atomic [TS]

01:09:06   comics a very short little subtle thing [TS]

01:09:09   but he sees a Tommy goes oh it's me and [TS]

01:09:13   then Hogarth very quickly so he's a bad [TS]

01:09:15   guy and covers it up with a Superman [TS]

01:09:16   comic and in that in that mirror moment [TS]

01:09:18   there you could almost see you know an [TS]

01:09:20   alternate version of this story where he [TS]

01:09:22   does go bad but you know in that in that [TS]

01:09:24   brief moment that's also a kindness of [TS]

01:09:28   Hogarth right he did he he doesn't want [TS]

01:09:30   to think of this robot is a bad guy and [TS]

01:09:34   so he's like he doesn't know the world [TS]

01:09:36   is racist against the robot yeah check [TS]

01:09:38   out Superman he's awesome and also it's [TS]

01:09:40   at amo which is a little on the nose but [TS]

01:09:42   still probably at the atomic Holocaust [TS]

01:09:46   video in the classroom is great with the [TS]

01:09:48   gun but it's almost like what's-his-name [TS]

01:09:50   something k where the ren & stimpy guy [TS]

01:09:53   where the kid is left on the desk and on [TS]

01:09:55   the pedestal of Earth that has been [TS]

01:09:57   unharmed but the blast the desk is there [TS]

01:09:59   too [TS]

01:10:00   what's that what's the right instead of [TS]

01:10:01   you guys named John Kruk floosie yeah [TS]

01:10:04   that that that animate that whole film [TS]

01:10:06   strip looks like something he could have [TS]

01:10:07   done [TS]

01:10:07   yeah that's the one that's your that's [TS]

01:10:10   your modern snarkiness inside the [TS]

01:10:13   fifties thing is these media portrayals [TS]

01:10:15   that we get when we get the duck and [TS]

01:10:16   cover video we get the horror movie you [TS]

01:10:18   want to stick that in notes [TS]

01:10:19   Jason if I to atomic cafe remember that [TS]

01:10:22   that is beyond USA at night it was all [TS]

01:10:25   like is it is that my remembering that [TS]

01:10:27   right David it's all like old like [TS]

01:10:28   fifties like duck and cover was a thing [TS]

01:10:31   they really were like it's ok just [TS]

01:10:32   getting your dad's well atomic cafe was [TS]

01:10:35   a documentary film I think you're [TS]

01:10:36   thinking of night flight [TS]

01:10:38   that is the u.s. I think that showed [TS]

01:10:40   like all these weird fifties movies and [TS]

01:10:43   stuff [TS]

01:10:44   yeah but yeah there was one that had out [TS]

01:10:45   that like had collected a whole bunch of [TS]

01:10:47   those wackadoodle like like fifties you [TS]

01:10:49   know municipal safety films yet that is [TS]

01:10:52   atomic cafe [TS]

01:10:53   that'sthat's that what else what else [TS]

01:10:55   but i I've got a sort of everything [TS]

01:10:57   covered here but I don't want to go [TS]

01:10:59   before everybody gets their gets there [TS]

01:11:00   say about [TS]

01:11:01   after they want to talk about about the [TS]

01:11:02   iron giant anything else you know what [TS]

01:11:05   that that duck and cover video in the [TS]

01:11:06   iron giant it looks like it's modern [TS]

01:11:09   snarkiness and it clearly is but it's [TS]

01:11:11   not that frankly is not that different [TS]

01:11:12   now i'm looking at the thumbnail the [TS]

01:11:14   thumbnail from duck and cover is a [TS]

01:11:16   turtle wearing a helmet know like it's [TS]

01:11:19   not gonna be good to get your shell [TS]

01:11:20   maybe games right that's fine that's [TS]

01:11:22   fine that's not why it's so funny when [TS]

01:11:24   Mansley he's gotta go duck and cover [TS]

01:11:26   somewhere I guess I hope we've covered [TS]

01:11:28   Mansley enough because he's so [TS]

01:11:30   tremendous in this I I what a fun [TS]

01:11:32   character that Mansley I work for the [TS]

01:11:34   government [TS]

01:11:34   I chris chris mcdonald is superb that [TS]

01:11:36   he's made a living on on doing a [TS]

01:11:38   weaselly boutique law reforms Hogarth it [TS]

01:11:41   doesn't end up for being being for any [TS]

01:11:42   reason it's just to be a disturbing [TS]

01:11:44   would later become armed guards and then [TS]

01:11:46   Garth wakes up in his bed and no [TS]

01:11:48   significant time has passed [TS]

01:11:51   maybe just ended the interrogation said [TS]

01:11:54   alright let's go to bed now that would [TS]

01:11:55   have been had to come back there but it [TS]

01:11:58   was but it's not like it's not like he [TS]

01:12:00   went into the bunch of stuff while [TS]

01:12:01   Hogarth was drugged it's just like now [TS]

01:12:03   your bed and I'm gonna stand here and [TS]

01:12:06   what I know I I think Marlon Marlon can [TS]

01:12:08   probably relate but he really wanted to [TS]

01:12:10   avoid is having to tell him for the 900 [TS]

01:12:12   time together but jamas on brothers me [TS]

01:12:14   which part of its bedtime don't you [TS]

01:12:18   understand [TS]

01:12:19   perhaps more disturbing in that scene is [TS]

01:12:20   the fact that mom stays out all night [TS]

01:12:22   she's working she's a single mom it was [TS]

01:12:25   it was surprisingly little sexism and [TS]

01:12:27   shunning of the single mom in this movie [TS]

01:12:29   we said we've said almost nothing about [TS]

01:12:30   about her grass mom she was off on a [TS]

01:12:34   date with ross for the whole thing I i [TS]

01:12:36   cannot separate jennifer aniston from [TS]

01:12:38   her voice in this movie that's my [TS]

01:12:39   problem with the mob [TS]

01:12:41   I kinda like that actually I'm in mind [TS]

01:12:44   this is around the time she did office [TS]

01:12:46   space to ya les flare on the on this [TS]

01:12:51   waitress them i have a similar problem [TS]

01:12:52   with frazier's dad but that's only [TS]

01:12:54   because after all those years of seeing [TS]

01:12:55   him as Frazier's dad and he was on a [TS]

01:12:58   what was it was it using say anything I [TS]

01:13:02   was so great that I didn't have a whole [TS]

01:13:05   lot of notes here I'll i really like the [TS]

01:13:07   the image of just the head with the eyes [TS]

01:13:10   lit up that you see in shadow from the [TS]

01:13:11   distance oh yeah several times in the [TS]

01:13:14   mood [TS]

01:13:14   I think that that's really well done and [TS]

01:13:16   nice and subtle I mean even just the [TS]

01:13:19   first before the first moment races i [TS]

01:13:21   see the lighthouse and and then it turns [TS]

01:13:23   and there's two eyes you go i love a [TS]

01:13:26   scene where where they turn back where [TS]

01:13:28   the armies leaving town and they turn [TS]

01:13:30   back in there and the Giant is towering [TS]

01:13:32   over every building in the entire town [TS]

01:13:33   that is a wonderful scene and he's just [TS]

01:13:36   hovering he's not doing anything and [TS]

01:13:37   that's and then Mansley of course says [TS]

01:13:39   he's attacking the town is everybody all [TS]

01:13:41   worked up and there's a moment right in [TS]

01:13:43   the beginning where it's it's the waves [TS]

01:13:44   its after you know it's like when you're [TS]

01:13:46   just seeing the waves then where it's [TS]

01:13:49   almost exactly the composition of the [TS]

01:13:52   great wave of kanagawa by jaco sigh [TS]

01:13:54   which we have hanging on our wall so [TS]

01:13:56   both of the kids went hey yes i know [TS]

01:14:00   that what about the pop songs are those [TS]

01:14:02   real song to where they written for the [TS]

01:14:04   movie because they feel like real pop [TS]

01:14:06   songs which pop songs that like trade [TS]

01:14:08   that trini lopez song during the trini [TS]

01:14:10   lopez sounding song during the montage [TS]

01:14:12   yeah that's not a real song [TS]

01:14:16   yeah okay yeah those are those are [TS]

01:14:18   genuine Zhan searched in every whichaway [TS]

01:14:20   that's that's a classic [TS]

01:14:21   oh I didn't know that mhm was a was wig [TS]

01:14:26   out really a thing in 1950s yeah because [TS]

01:14:30   we got at least three different workouts [TS]

01:14:31   although well you know [TS]

01:14:33   Dobie Gillis and beatniks and all that [TS]

01:14:35   that would be about the right the right [TS]

01:14:36   time I wonder if they were used week out [TS]

01:14:38   on that we just assume 64 that because [TS]

01:14:40   of the whole wig element of it [TS]

01:14:42   yeah my daughter loves when a Dean is [TS]

01:14:47   reading the paper after the after the [TS]

01:14:50   the Cannonball all the water national [TS]

01:14:53   yeah yeah that seems problematic for me [TS]

01:14:56   too are you in the road he's just [TS]

01:14:58   murdered like half of lakes worth of [TS]

01:14:59   fish [TS]

01:14:59   yeah and that raccoon is not long for [TS]

01:15:01   this world either a suspect [TS]

01:15:03   no yeah i mean i was a nice button on [TS]

01:15:06   that to just you know fish fish fish [TS]

01:15:08   raccoon also the animation of Dean [TS]

01:15:11   floating through the wave is a little [TS]

01:15:13   weird [TS]

01:15:14   I like that he's holding on to his arm [TS]

01:15:16   rest and that keeps him oriented [TS]

01:15:17   properly throughout the many lands [TS]

01:15:20   yeah they do eggs exaggerated cartoon [TS]

01:15:23   physics sparingly like the other thing [TS]

01:15:24   that I think of it [TS]

01:15:25   the hand is crawling back to the robot [TS]

01:15:27   it lifts up the corner of the barn and [TS]

01:15:29   goes underneath it's like you have your [TS]

01:15:30   allowed like one or two seconds of [TS]

01:15:32   ridiculous cartoon physics and you go [TS]

01:15:34   back to their movement of the hand is [TS]

01:15:36   also a dog the hand behaves like a dog [TS]

01:15:38   which is cute [TS]

01:15:40   it's more of a cat really well i think [TS]

01:15:41   it's a dog it's good it's a fast wag on [TS]

01:15:43   the tail [TS]

01:15:44   yeah have you ever had a dog take the [TS]

01:15:45   toilet paper apart because that's a very [TS]

01:15:48   cat thing [TS]

01:15:49   yeah but that dogs eat it toxic more [TS]

01:15:51   than that didn't know I decide later I [TS]

01:15:59   think you got it in a legit in the case [TS]

01:16:02   the camera and all right now [TS]

01:16:03   alright I think it's time to wrap it up [TS]

01:16:05   then do you remember the raccoon but [TS]

01:16:07   alright well that brings us to the end [TS]

01:16:14   of our discussion of the iron giant [TS]

01:16:16   which was lovely and I'd like to thank [TS]

01:16:17   my panelists were discussing with me [TS]

01:16:19   Steve let's thanks for being here [TS]

01:16:21   Oh glad I could be here Jason it was a [TS]

01:16:23   fine time I wouldn't want to talk about [TS]

01:16:26   those poop jokes with anybody i was [TS]

01:16:28   gonna say yeah I almost you to join in [TS]

01:16:30   but I knew you would be sad if they were [TS]

01:16:32   poop jokes discussed and I was not here [TS]

01:16:33   to it would feel wrong I would feel as [TS]

01:16:36   if one part of my body had popped off [TS]

01:16:38   and was slowly beeping its way back to [TS]

01:16:40   me so I'm glad you could be here [TS]

01:16:42   it's a very disturbing image yeah yeah [TS]

01:16:45   dollars that would be if it was yeah [TS]

01:16:47   David lower thanks for being here it's a [TS]

01:16:52   queue anytime anytime well then i'll [TS]

01:16:55   take that as about you know I appreciate [TS]

01:16:57   it [TS]

01:16:57   Tony sindelar thank you for being here [TS]

01:17:00   John siracusa thank you for being here [TS]

01:17:02   to talk about animation again we we [TS]

01:17:04   veered into anime just for a moment [TS]

01:17:05   there want to talk about some other [TS]

01:17:07   animated films in the future i think yes [TS]

01:17:09   i am also not a gun all right I've heard [TS]

01:17:13   that about you good to know everyone man [TS]

01:17:15   thank you for coming back [TS]

01:17:17   I really appreciate you being here this [TS]

01:17:18   was a lot of fun I rest my case [TS]

01:17:20   alright that's good no final statements [TS]

01:17:24   no finala [TS]

01:17:25   finala I don't even know what I'm saying [TS]

01:17:28   here that I think the cat was stalking [TS]

01:17:31   the campus yet you think the cat is a [TS]

01:17:33   cat magical or was his magic and Kiki [TS]

01:17:36   all along [TS]

01:17:37   thank you for having me on it was great [TS]

01:17:39   to have you and for the incredible i am [TS]

01:17:41   your host Jason snow once again thanks [TS]

01:17:43   for listening we'll see you next time [TS]

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