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H.I. #24: Mr Complainy Pants

 

  OH MY GOD THIS IS CRAZY people are running through the streets trading this stuff business playing [TS]

  when you're not online yet [TS]

  and I'm just testing the sound on my computer the thing I always do is sing like I sing a little segment of a song [TS]

  and then listen back to test that the microphone worked [TS]

  and now that I figured out how to work my microphone a bit better I realized I'm a really bad singing or really bad. [TS]

  You could sing it because you've got until you have a nice speaking voice I think you have a good speaking voice. [TS]

  What's your singing voice like I'm not going to ask you to sing because because I well that would be ridiculous. [TS]

  Yeah I think that they're going to waste my breath. You can have all you want is not going to happen. [TS]

  What would it take. [TS]

  Will I ever hear you saying like like if you have lots and lots of wine we sing [TS]

  or other circumstances under which you would sing in my presence. Probably not. [TS]

  Maybe if it's your birthday and everybody's singing you happy birthday. [TS]

  But that's not really singing and that is more like public chanting [TS]

  and you don't do you'd never do karaoke for example. No no what are you crazy of course I wouldn't do karaoke. [TS]

  I can stand up on the stage and sing like everybody in the whole wide world. [TS]

  If you ever sing you sound reasonably good in your own head. [TS]

  But if you ever have to face the cold hard reality of the recorded version of your voice you discover that you don't [TS]

  sound good and yeah just like with people hearing their recorded voice. [TS]

  In general [TS]

  when you're singing you're pitching your voice to the voice in your head which literally does sound different then your [TS]

  speaking voice so that causes the horrifying disparity it is worth saying I mean not listening to my voice back. [TS]

  Even on the podcast nobody told the writer. [TS]

  Yeah you know but it's singing just like whoa man that's like that isn't already a car crash. [TS]

  Well you sing for me and I know I did I do karaoke after I've had enough drinks I love karaoke. [TS]

  Well now when I need to go to a karaoke bar I guess. [TS]

  I'd love that and I think I'm amazing and obviously I'm not I'm sure I'm sure you are amazing. [TS]

  Great I remember one time I was doing karaoke and a friend of mine [TS]

  and I did read my mind by The Killers which is one of my favorite songs [TS]

  and I was amazing you know I was it was incredible. [TS]

  I think you know people wear it so anyway I thought I must own that song [TS]

  and then another time I was there at some place [TS]

  and making me in another crash this karaoke Patti I don't know it's a long story. [TS]

  We crashed this karaoke Patty [TS]

  and then I was like OK everyone I'm going to I'm going to blow you away with that remark by the killers [TS]

  and it turns out this was a slightly younger audience and they had not even heard of the song [TS]

  and I was literally they literally turned me off a half way through like they stopped in the middle [TS]

  and I should just walk out in shame. Well that was a that was a humbling moment. [TS]

  Yes that is a genuinely humbling moment. [TS]

  Man you get turned off at a karaoke party because not only was I sing terribly I was singing some terribly that no one [TS]

  had heard of so I was like and I was a stranger they didn't know me. [TS]

  So there was no goodwill just like everything was going against me that you know that that is the hat trick of karaoke [TS]

  terribleness that you pulled off their bad singing voice. They don't know you or the song. [TS]

  Yes I can see they're going to pull the plug on that one. [TS]

  I came back they let me back in later and I did if you sing a longs but there were no more. [TS]

  There were no more solo performances. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah but then you say hey I was a baseball game. [TS]

  I saw on Twitter that you posted a picture of your hotdog at San Francisco. [TS]

  Serious that's that's not a if that's not an enticing description of a thug looking to look at Brady's dog the it was [TS]

  it was really good. It was really good. I'm really glad I went. [TS]

  Good it was the I went to Game five of the which was the final game in San Francisco and it was good for a few reasons. [TS]

  It was interesting actually that they had like a tribute for Robin Williams at the start of the game because he was [TS]

  obviously a San Francisco guy and his kids came out and did the first pitch and Billy Crystal came out [TS]

  and spoke to the audience [TS]

  and then they played this video of Robin Williams firing up the crowd before a previous game he'd been to so that was [TS]

  really that was really nice of the game was excellent [TS]

  and San Francisco won which was really good because that meant it was a really great atmosphere in the stadium [TS]

  and everyone left and I was really happy. But almost more importantly. [TS]

  San Francisco went on to win the series in the seventh game. [TS]

  So and that means obviously you know that's great they won the World Series [TS]

  but it's great for me because it means I can say all you know I once went to a World Series game [TS]

  and you know it was in San Francisco and I won and it was a World Series they won. [TS]

  I'm going to feel a bit like if they ended up losing the series I would've been left with a pretty a pretty hollow brag [TS]

  because I would've been saying yeah I went to the World Series in San Francisco. [TS]

  Yeah they actually lost that series but anyway I went. [TS]

  So this now can say yes I was there I was part I was part of the victory. I played my small row. [TS]

  This makes it even better. [TS]

  I think that it enhances the brag some people have accused [TS]

  or they haven't accused me some people have used the term humble brag [TS]

  when talking about me going to the to the game this is not a humble brag. [TS]

  This is just plain brag I think people need I think that people need to understand that I am not humble bragging I'm [TS]

  just bragging [TS]

  but it would have been my new term hollow brag it would have been a hollow brag it didn't start new ones like it was [TS]

  you know people often think if I have a thought about it [TS]

  but I'm now thinking on the spot I'm trying to think of examples of hollow brags [TS]

  and I think I think maybe another example of a hollow brag could be. [TS]

  If you meet someone really famous for example and have a selfie taken with them and then they become disgraced [TS]

  and like you know you end up going to jail for some terrible abuse or something [TS]

  and you say oh you know I met that person Here's a photo of me and that person [TS]

  and that that person's not so great anymore that could be a whole library could not. [TS]

  I challenge people to come up with hollow brags. [TS]

  OK have holographic your internet only send these the Brady I send them out [TS]

  and I had to take all of them in the red if I'm going to come up with some more examples to my hollow brag would have [TS]

  been going to say San Francisco in the World Series and them losing the series which is not what happened. [TS]

  Right that's not what happened. So narrowly avoided a hollow brag but yeah and that was just a straight one. [TS]

  I mean if I was going to if I was going to humble brag I would say. Which is true I would say. [TS]

  Man I went to Game five of the World Series [TS]

  and I was in the nosebleed seats at the very top of the stand at the very end like miles away I could hardly say that [TS]

  would be a humble brag like you know to treat sickness from the seats at the World Series. [TS]

  Yeah I would I think you mentioned that you felt altitude sickness that was much more into the humble I don't know did [TS]

  you did you say I have been I have been so frustrated by the humble brag thing. [TS]

  Why do people not get this [TS]

  when I was editing the pod cast last time I usually need something to do while I'm editing it because it's largely just [TS]

  I'm listening through and trying to catch errors and things and cutting out my big morning story. [TS]

  Yeah I have to find the start and end point in the half an hour Brady's story so I know where to where to cut it out [TS]

  but I do need something else to do while I'm at it in the park. [TS]

  Sometimes it's gaming but this time I got frustrated about some people sending me not at all humble brags on Twitter. [TS]

  So the thing that I made during the last and it was the how to humble brag page which is now on her. No internet. [TS]

  Dot F.M. Did you see this. [TS]

  I did say No need to explain my humble brag was you included an example of a humble brag from yourself. [TS]

  Yes Yes So that was very humble humble of you just lit up your so yes I have the how to humble brag page on hello [TS]

  internet dot F.M. Says a humble brag requires two parts part number one is a self-deprecating remark. [TS]

  So this is the part that most people miss you have to be putting yourself down [TS]

  or criticizing yourself in some way that is part two. [TS]

  You're making that remark to draw attention to something awesome about yourself. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and yes there was I had a perfect moment on Twitter to make a humble brag which I prefaced by just telling people listen [TS]

  I'm about to humble brag. [TS]

  This is how you do it and so on Twitter I said seriously regretting not fixing that Twitter typo. [TS]

  Now that Gruber links to it in his Daring Fireball i Pad review this is a humble brag The only reason I would be [TS]

  talking about that sort of typo is to really tell people oh look John Gruber mentioned my tweet in his i Pad review [TS]

  there is I do slightly disagree with the definition. [TS]

  OK in that I don't think a humble brag has to be self-deprecating of oneself. [TS]

  It just has to be couched in the terms of this kind of negativity. For example you could say amen. [TS]

  The big change on my new Tesla is really rough. That would be a humble brag because you're being critical. [TS]

  You've been critical of like the car for example saying arm and the gear shift on Tesla's really is not good. [TS]

  But really it's an excuse to say I'll call them I've got a Tesla [TS]

  but you're not criticizing it in your being self-deprecating there [TS]

  but you are being deprecating deprecating something but I don't think it has to be self-deprecating I thing. [TS]

  This has to be it has to come across as if you're being kind of you know being humble [TS]

  or negative so that see that's the only slot and then them I would add to the definition. [TS]

  I feel like that example is a perfect example of advanced level humble bragging you know you very well understand what [TS]

  the humble brag is and you know how to play in that gray zone of is this humble bragger is right the people. [TS]

  This page is made for. [TS]

  They're not at advanced level humble bragging yet they start with the basics [TS]

  and we're going to make it really clear that this is this is that this is the starting point so this is what has made [TS]

  this page is mostly a joke but seriously people try to get it right if you send him your humble back home. [TS]

  Also one thing about the World Series [TS]

  and maybe maybe it is because I went as a neutral I guess we are getting into the realm of humble bragging now because [TS]

  I'm going to stop saying the things I didn't like about going to the game [TS]

  but I did feel a bit like the atmosphere was very good very good. [TS]

  But it felt pretty much on a par with some of the bad Yankees games I've been to because the Yankees as the team I can [TS]

  support and it didn't feel like orders of magnitude more amazing than some of the Yankees games I've been to [TS]

  and I don't know if that's because they get those games in New York just because they're such a well supported tame [TS]

  this is always a really good atmosphere at the games right. [TS]

  Or I'm invested in the Yankees more so I care more about the result [TS]

  but I did I did come away thinking that was really good in a really good atmosphere [TS]

  but it didn't feel that much more amazing than some of the other games I've been to. [TS]

  Definitely amazing just not just not like that Different us but us. [TS]

  I'll say it I'm sorry I'm sorry Giants fans I know have and you're now my second time because you know we've bonded. [TS]

  We've been printed but I think I did come out of the stadium thinking that I did think that was really good. [TS]

  But like it didn't feel that different. I didn't feel that much more expensive that's for sure. [TS]

  OK OK So your complaint is that your increased enjoyment was not proportional to the increased cost of the ticket is [TS]

  that which that that that is probably the case that isn't that isn't the point I was making I was just making you know [TS]

  regardless of regardless of ticket price so I'm try and quantify this. [TS]

  Yeah I mean I mean you know Yankees tickets are expensive anyway but that was the point I was making [TS]

  and if I were if I'd gone to both games for free I would have thought the same thing as they were going to start [TS]

  talking about the increased ticket price to have a discussion about the marginal value of dollars [TS]

  and what what happens as you increase the price of something and your increased value that you get from it [TS]

  and what is the value of the next dollar. [TS]

  Economics is very good for these kinds of things [TS]

  but well we should do that sometime that Johnson's economics would gray that would be great. [TS]

  Sure people would love that. That's like a that's almost every conversation with you. [TS]

  Well I guess I guess in some way that is similar to this but but [TS]

  but that's what your complaint sounds like to me though I paid three times more for this ticket [TS]

  but it wasn't three times more fun that was not my sole and at no point. [TS]

  During or after the game did I ever think about ticket prices. [TS]

  I really was just comparing what how did that compare to other games. [TS]

  Ok into it is a GREAT IS A It is a wonderful stadium where San Francisco play you can sort of see the water [TS]

  and it's a it's I saw that from your hot dog photo it looks great your heart I got a great view of the game it is a [TS]

  fantastic location for a for a stadium. San Francisco I have have done very well. [TS]

  They can't be many better situated baseball stadiums. What else we don't follow up. This Cole of the void. Oh yes. [TS]

  Just just very quickly this is one of the frustrations of editing your own podcast. So last time we talked about. [TS]

  The call of the void as you brilliantly related it to post boxes [TS]

  and hovering above the post box before you put in your mail [TS]

  and there were very many people on the Reddit who sympathized with this [TS]

  and they were talking about their own call of the blanks. [TS]

  I saw someone I really liked [TS]

  and there was a call of the garbage bin which is true you can you can have that same feeling there was a call of God [TS]

  Jews in apartment buildings especially. Yes yes those as well so. [TS]

  So several people were talking about their own call of the X. [TS]

  Feelings when you when you're hovering over something but [TS]

  when you do your own pockets it can be so frustrating to listen to yourself talk [TS]

  and this is this is one of these cases where you feel like why is past me such an idiot [TS]

  and in this case past me is not referring as I normally do to someone who was you know existed a year ago [TS]

  or ten years ago. In this case past me is yesterday me and I and you can blame the exuberance of youth. [TS]

  That's it that's exactly it whereas you know I did something two years ago yet that guy is dead he doesn't exist [TS]

  anymore I have no interest in his life. [TS]

  Yesterday me you know you can't you can't get away from that and [TS]

  when I was editing the podcast The final version that the listeners heard I only mention reverse call of the void twice [TS]

  but I must have cut out ten times in that conversation right interrupted you [TS]

  and then expertly tried to explain my feelings about AA but it's a reverse call of the void because [TS]

  and then I had some terrible thing that didn't make any sense [TS]

  and isn't listening to all that why why past me are you just completely unable to express a very straightforward [TS]

  thought have you crystallized it for me. [TS]

  Yes all of his is about the action in both cases the call of the void is something that is irreversible [TS]

  but that the reverse call of the void is you have to take. [TS]

  The action and it is irreversible [TS]

  and the call of the void is you have to not take the action because it would be irreversible. [TS]

  Jumping off a cliff when you have a feeling that one is going to leap into the Grand Canyon that's cold of the void. [TS]

  Yes because you shouldn't do it. [TS]

  Ignore the void the void is a little bad influence whereas [TS]

  when you're posting a letter the void is saying send me send me a letter that's a good call that's the call of the void [TS]

  being good. [TS]

  Yes you have to listen to that call of the void [TS]

  but it is still nonetheless a scary experience because the action that you take is therefore irreversible. [TS]

  But last week ago me was just completely incapable of expressing this thought in an adequate way [TS]

  and normally cut out your boring stories with the times like what is wrong with me [TS]

  and I can interrupt you again to go let me tell you about why I think that's a very cold [TS]

  and that voided then just said something more onic So I just wanted to put that in there as as Mainly this followup [TS]

  section is just for me I have to get this off my chest. [TS]

  But if you ever do a podcast people you will experience too listening to yourself say things that you can hardly [TS]

  believe that you are saying or that you just can't express and wonder if that's pretty much every episode. [TS]

  The void is a really cool time isn't like oh yeah this is a great word. [TS]

  I mean I was about to say I'm surprised it hasn't been used as a villain in the Boer War you know something in a T.V. [TS]

  Show or movie but I'm now sure four hundred thousand people are about a mile [TS]

  and message means I will actually avoid was the super villain in Spider-Man comic you know one hundred sixty three [TS]

  something is tickling my brain where some some show I watched the void was a very present very present word [TS]

  but yes the void is is just is a great word [TS]

  and it really really expresses something quite visceral that feeling so anyway follow it maybe unless you have anything [TS]

  else want to follow up on. Oh no. [TS]

  Oh quite a few people have commented that my voice is sounding different on the podcast. [TS]

  Yes and yes in fact Yeah in fact last podcast before we even started when we just first code up on Skype [TS]

  or whatever we're using at the time he said wow you sound so different [TS]

  and I thought it was because I wasn't feeling one hundred percent and I stood out now [TS]

  and I thought maybe I just sound a bit cranky and I'm also recording in a room that has slightly better acoustics. [TS]

  But I have now realised the true reason for it and that is [TS]

  when I travelled over to the US because I'm still in the US at the moment I packed my microphone up [TS]

  and wrapped it in socks and things and put it in my suitcase [TS]

  and I accidentally knocked a switch on the back of my microphone and put it into a different mode [TS]

  and apparently that is the mode I should've always been using for recording but that's the very stuff. [TS]

  So for the first time I'm actually using the microphone properly so that [TS]

  and I'm sure that doesn't surprise you I'm sure you were [TS]

  when we realised this show internally you were just shaking your head that your stupid caveman counterpart serendipity [TS]

  has brought us a better microphone quality from from your end you want a nice bed better [TS]

  or maybe just a more accurate depiction of my voice which is maybe not for the best. [TS]

  Yeah I guess I just assume that you would if you're using the using the Yeti to write is at the microphone you have I [TS]

  have got to yes the blue [TS]

  when I first got this microphone they have an adorable little instruction booklet which has a bunch of pictures of [TS]

  yetis engaged in various microphone related activities [TS]

  and showing you which setting you're supposed to use depending on which you happen to be [TS]

  and there was some pod casting [TS]

  and it showed the correct little setting on the back so I assume that you would have read through that delightful [TS]

  colorful Yeti related book I did look at it and thought it was nice and then sort of tossed away [TS]

  and then Oh how pretty this is and then you just you know wild it's summer. [TS]

  There and didn't actually a real man doesn't need instructions. [TS]

  I do often have that feeling where in my household my wife will read the instructions and I like an idiot. [TS]

  Often when we get something to think oh I can I can do it without the instruction book [TS]

  but I don't need to look at that and of course my wife reads the instructions [TS]

  and then figures out the correct way to use all sorts of things [TS]

  or tells me how what I'm doing is going to break the washing machine or the dishwasher [TS]

  when I think of the structured book or the like out of the hell with this right. [TS]

  I can figure out this new this new washing machine but [TS]

  but a instruction book at that is full of colorful yetis That's about my level for what I'm willing to accept with an [TS]

  instruction booklet. You'd think that to be the one that would work on me. [TS]

  I try I generally agree with that cliche you know I'm not always one for kind of you know gender cliches [TS]

  but I do see some truth in that but it is not the case in my house particularly [TS]

  when it comes to eye care instructions and like assembling furniture. [TS]

  I am probably because I've been burned so many times [TS]

  when I am religious about following the instructions from the furniture companies about how to make a bed [TS]

  or things like that and my wife is the exact opposite and she always likes to skip ahead and just give that a whack [TS]

  and that looks right and it is a it is a source of friction between us because she thinks I'm too slow. [TS]

  As I patiently try to figure out which screw it really is and which one is screwed [TS]

  and she's like if it fits check it in. Bang it in. I don't know that I get that IKEA stuff. [TS]

  I'm with you here they have some of those screws which are the you can't undo them screws [TS]

  or things have to be tightened in just the right way. Yeah yeah I agree with you there. [TS]

  Don't mess around with with just trying it with IKEA stuff. [TS]

  You only get one crack at some of those things [TS]

  but also I kid just like the instructions there are no there are no words there just friendly pictures on Ikea [TS]

  and that I don't mind so much so I guess that one from all of my instruction booklet is just Egyptian style pictograms [TS]

  that is required. Our words I can't do this. [TS]

  If Eileen's if Eileen's come down [TS]

  and land in Ikea you want them to be able to assemble that furniture without knowing our language that is exactly right. [TS]

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  Yes you are going to be doing that soon I expect. [TS]

  God yes yes we will be we will be in the same location in about two weeks one way. [TS]

  Yeah if it don't sound too excited about it right. [TS]

  I'll cut that out it's hard to parse the the part that I am excited about I think maybe the next time we talk to each [TS]

  other I will be seeing you in person in Alabama because we'll be getting together to hang out with Destin [TS]

  and the crew [TS]

  and taking part in the random acts of intelligent show which is come up very very fast on my calendar so that that is [TS]

  an exciting part and looking forward to that. [TS]

  There are still tickets by the way if people want to come to Alabama and hang out with C.D.P. [TS]

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  OK love you so so you come and so come and come along. It's not that I think people should come. [TS]

  People coming quite far about it sounds so yes that does and has sent me some some e-mails from people who are. [TS]

  Coming from a crazy far distances [TS]

  and I think last time I got an update from him it's about eighty percent sold out so if if you are listening to the [TS]

  sound of my voice I was about to say right now [TS]

  but of course definitional ie if you are this is I know you are listening right now even though again it may be [TS]

  hundreds of years in the future long after you and I are dead [TS]

  but I guess I would if you are listening in quotes right now [TS]

  and it is before the fourteenth of November twenty fourth teen you may want to look into getting a ticket relatively [TS]

  soon because I think last time Justin told me it is about eighty maybe eighty five percent sold out at this point if it [TS]

  is in the very distant future and were dead. [TS]

  Again this is creepy or you know ghosts from the past but otherwise get it if you're interested in coming. [TS]

  OK if we're dead like that and I don't really care what you do now. [TS]

  Thanks Thanks Stu thanks for listening I guess we're talking to you again. Him as. [TS]

  Futures based spaceship crashed I was going to say spaceship crash going on that is very unfunny at the moment. [TS]

  With that is that several years what we don't actually like could I could I have blundered into a worse thing to say [TS]

  but we'll talk about we might talk about that in a minute. [TS]

  Why don't why don't we just do that now let's let's let's yeah yeah like now that we have a world war is that way. [TS]

  Wow Yeah because some people have some people who have been in touch obviously saying if we're going to do a plane [TS]

  crash going on this week I guess something relevant to bring up is two two incredibly unfortunate incidents that have [TS]

  both happened to do with space travel and kind of rocket ships there was and there was an end Terri's life you say. [TS]

  Antares and only I am the wrong person to ask. [TS]

  Yeah it was a supply rocket that was taking taking some things up to the space station [TS]

  and that that blew up on launch [TS]

  and some of that I think that was a real kick in the guts you know it's a real kick in the guts I imagine sort of. [TS]

  Spacey rocket stuff when that happens yeah that was it I was at was an unmanned mission it was and it was unmanned [TS]

  when I land supply vehicle there was a Kickstarter project on there was a Kickstarter funded science experiment if I [TS]

  remember correctly which is a lot of a lot of people were personally bombed by that one and I didn't out you know. [TS]

  And that [TS]

  and there's even worse news I think of this as we record it was yesterday I think it was yesterday the sort of the the [TS]

  latest test flight for this sort of Virgin Galactic Space Ship Two craft which is planned to take you know people into [TS]

  the tourist into space that are doing a test in the California desert [TS]

  and there were actually two to test pilots aboard and that malfunctioned in spectacular fashion. [TS]

  And as we record I think co-pilot die in the incident and the pilot's quite badly injured the still no news about that. [TS]

  You know these very two very public misfortunes for space travel were kind of in there and not good [TS]

  when these things cluster together [TS]

  but I do wonder I mean surely this is even hit your radar I'm imagining following the mosque on Twitter [TS]

  and I saw him mention something about condolences to the family so I looked it up see I mean just in the in the [TS]

  projects that he is an involved in and so that's out. [TS]

  Yes it it did it did cross my radar through the Twitter verse and and of course it is it is unfortunate [TS]

  and that's you know I never I never quite know what to say when the plane crashed going or [TS]

  and I now I will not deny that the human tragedy the human tragedy Assad had before this had happened. [TS]

  Did you help if you could have views about this kind of space tourism you'd have you know rich people have been buying [TS]

  tickets pre-buying tickets to go on these flights. [TS]

  Leonardo Dicaprio is the name they always say is one of the people whose. [TS]

  Put down an enormous amount of money to go up in space on one of these things. Have you ever had a view on that. [TS]

  You know we talk about the value of money in World Series tickets. [TS]

  What do you think about the hundreds of thousands of dollars for suborbital deep into space. [TS]

  Well I get this this is a perfect example of the marginal value of doll if you are Leonardo Di Caprio [TS]

  or if you are a multimillionaire dropping a hundred thousand dollars to be one of the early people who does something [TS]

  that is that is not like you are a normal person who takes out a mortgage on your house to buy a hundred thousand [TS]

  dollars ticket to go into space. [TS]

  So you know if Basically however we need to fund space travel and space exploration whatever works. [TS]

  I'm perfectly OK with. [TS]

  So if if that means we need to do it through government means or if it means we need to do it through private ways. [TS]

  I am I am uninterested as long as it gets more spacecraft [TS]

  and more people up into space so it currently seems like all the all the action is in the private sector [TS]

  and get it that's working that's great. [TS]

  So if people want to drop one hundred thousand dollars on a ticket to fly into space. Thumbs up for me on that one. [TS]

  That seems great. [TS]

  Where do you see that because I think if he was quite a risk averse person [TS]

  and this week has shown more than ever how much risk is associated with space travel. [TS]

  Well this is this is a bit like talking about the risks of aircraft travel in the one nine hundred thirty is the [TS]

  equivalent. We were at that we're at the dawn of private individuals still killing into and even here. [TS]

  Spaces like in quotation marks are really talking low earth orbit. [TS]

  Situation So yeah it is it is risky [TS]

  but it's not exactly fair to compare it to something like like aircraft travel now which is incredible. [TS]

  But but we are talking about space travel and it is now so is risky. [TS]

  Yes Is it a risk you'd be willing to take if if you offered you know if if Richard Branson on Moscow someone called you [TS]

  up and said Gray we think the pod cast fantastic [TS]

  but if you want your brain to do the first podcast from space on one of these you know one of these flights would you [TS]

  do it would you do if money wasn't a factor and you just were assessing the risk. That's a difficult question. [TS]

  My my inclination is no because space is deadly. [TS]

  I mean I often joke about deadly deadly nature in my videos [TS]

  but I've mentioned it on podcasts which note is more deadly than nature. [TS]

  The void is more deadly than the absolute terrifying nothingness is more deadly than nature and so [TS]

  when you are going into space you are surrounded by the void and literally death awaits you. [TS]

  Inches away in every possible direction so the risk of space travel even low earth orbit. [TS]

  Space travel is just for me right now that is that is way too too far to the might die and of the end of the spectrum. [TS]

  I think even if we imagine fifty years in the future I would I think I would be very hesitant to do space travel under [TS]

  under very many circumstances. [TS]

  So that's that's kind of my feeling about it so we can all do the very first podcast from space. But what about you. [TS]

  If if if they said well Gray's not coming along but the ticket still available to you Brady would you take it. [TS]

  I mean at a time like this. [TS]

  This week is always a bad time to ask isn't it because of the risks of put front and center once again [TS]

  but I think this is the perfect time to ask this question when the risks front [TS]

  and center would you still say yes I am inclined to say yes because I'm a bit more I'm a bit more of the as I've as I'm [TS]

  getting a bit older a bit more of the thought that I want to experience things [TS]

  and I'm willing to take take the risk for the experience because you know I don't see the point of being eighty years [TS]

  old or ninety years old and thinking well I made it to ninety but I didn't do much stuff [TS]

  but then I also have to say like I am I am. People who know me know I'm a bit of a space nut. [TS]

  But they what they don't realize is I'm surprisingly unimpressed by sort of sub orbital flights or even even like low [TS]

  or even like sort of space shuttle stuff that has never excited I'm more excited by an unmanned probe landing on Mars [TS]

  than I am the space shuttle. KYLE Yeah that's fair. I think that's completely fair. [TS]

  Yeah I always think just orbiting the Earth is just you just flying really high you're flying so high above the earth [TS]

  that that air resistance is no longer a big deal. [TS]

  Whereas if you actually set sail for somewhere like the moon that impresses me more because you've got like if you're [TS]

  going to a different place. [TS]

  So so those kind of the sort of suborbital hops I think a bit of a car and you know you get a weightless [TS]

  and yeah you'll be really high and you see the earth's curvature in the sky will go black. [TS]

  But I still think you just really high on the thing [TS]

  but the other thing I want to talk about in the context of the the Virgin Galactic this crash [TS]

  and again you know again you know we're both really conscious that someone's died here [TS]

  and that comes before all else but just in more general terms. Has made me think you know that. [TS]

  Aaron published today I mean there's no one who's more there's no company [TS]

  and there's no person more kind of you know a hungry then than virgin and Richard Branson [TS]

  and you know he's a they Plus you know they're always releasing pictures and hyping things up [TS]

  and plastering their logo all over everything. [TS]

  And these times like this that it does come back to bite them in the backside of it isn't it because like the the [TS]

  defining pictures that are coming out of this disaster bits of wreckage on the ground in the desert with like the [TS]

  Virgin logo Plus of course all over [TS]

  and often you know to come back to kind of the plane crash go on I think I often do think that in plane crashes like [TS]

  you know having your Lego's alive your planes of course you have to do for various reasons [TS]

  and it would be ridiculous to suggest not doing it [TS]

  but it is something that does come back to bite you in the backside you know [TS]

  when you see these these seminal these defining photos of like the Pan-Am wreckage from Lockerbie [TS]

  or the tail of the Air France plane floating in the in the Atlantic after the terrible Air France disaster these big [TS]

  these big logos on the planes. [TS]

  Which always seem to be home parts of the plane that don't get too badly destroyed by a crash. [TS]

  I always wonder how these companies in these corporations feel about that logo that they fought so hard to get into a [TS]

  public consciousness sometimes become more famous for being plastered all over a bit of wreckage. [TS]

  I mean [TS]

  but that's as good as the purpose of a logo is is I want companies to feel like boy I really don't want to have plane [TS]

  crashes because people will see our logo and associate our airline with plane crashes is the point and it is not. [TS]

  Never thought of that this is the purpose of the logo is to be associated with the company whatever that means [TS]

  and it's the company's job to make this is. [TS]

  It's good and to avoid bad associations so yes that they I agree they don't like it [TS]

  and they would think well I really wish that that tail fin didn't make it through the crash [TS]

  but I think it is it is good for society as a whole that the tailfin does make it through the crash. [TS]

  I want them to be concerned about that. Good job logo doing your job. [TS]

  That's one of the cases where sort of the advertising and branding [TS]

  and logos are doing us a very good Yes Yes So anyway after that after that premature segue we were going to talk about [TS]

  that but I kind of forced us into talking about it early with my poor choice of words [TS]

  but coming back to preparing for America come along come along to random acts of intelligence a run jump on a plane [TS]

  slide it out a fly through the air search along the hundreds of miles an hour to come and say yes [TS]

  but how's your you know you work every time I bring up you packing for American stock. [TS]

  Well I think I said before if I just find the whole experience kind of stressful and I don't like it [TS]

  and I don't like to think about plane crashes when getting on a plane but it is usually all right. [TS]

  Thanks very for me usually that the source of stress comes from projects that I need to finish before I leave. [TS]

  So we happened to be recording this on Saturday night [TS]

  and my plan is to give you is going to be dangerous talking about this in advance [TS]

  but my plan is to have this podcast up on Monday morning and I also want to have a very very quick new minute [TS]

  and a half long log up on my channel on Monday morning. [TS]

  I am trying to get two things done before I go because I have blocked off before the random acts show I have blocked [TS]

  off about a week of time that I'm going to be spending with my family and I want to try to make sure that during. [TS]

  That time and then also during the time that I'm in Alabama I can actually focus on what I am there to do. [TS]

  So that means I want to make sure that I have a couple things up very quickly at the start of November [TS]

  and then I can relax [TS]

  and say OK I'm in North Carolina now I can I can just be with my family I will be doing some work [TS]

  but I don't have to feel under the gun to hurry up and get a podcast episode out [TS]

  or another video out because I've just done something even if they're relatively small it's still there [TS]

  and I can I can relax. [TS]

  That is where the story a source of stress comes from from me is whenever you have a clear date like a I am flying out [TS]

  on Monday kind of date you very naturally start dividing your life into all of the things that have to get done before [TS]

  that day and everything else [TS]

  and I find myself almost always with more things that have to get done before that date than might always be practical [TS]

  so that that is why I partly find it a bit of a. [TS]

  A stressful experience but there's no way you're going to get a podcast and get a video done on the same day. [TS]

  I've actually I have just before we called I just finished recording the audio for the next little blog that I'm going [TS]

  to do. So I know if I can get to that stage. [TS]

  Things are looking pretty good [TS]

  and I guess that is is going to be a very very simple little video so I think I'm going to make it. [TS]

  But nervous now we're courting that because I feel like I'm jinxing myself. [TS]

  So you do your future listener on the Internet you will know if I made it in time to have both of those things up on [TS]

  Monday before I leave. [TS]

  But current me Saturday night me does not know but he's feeling confident he's feeling confident. [TS]

  I always know when you're working on a video even when you don't tell me that you [TS]

  or your replies to me if they can if they can become more like the other day I messaged you what was talking to you [TS]

  about something and I was getting these really cool replies and then like and then like a few hours later [TS]

  or your kind of not really. It's the election stuff came out and I was like then that explains it. [TS]

  Like and like an old married couple. [TS]

  I can read I can read you know where you go how much time do you have to block off your packing [TS]

  and stuff you say you know you can activate your checklist. [TS]

  Yeah I really I already have I have a little program in Omni Focus that creates a new template for me so that is [TS]

  already that is already up and running and on my list of things to do [TS]

  and I have I have started to prepare some things are a bit pre-packed already. [TS]

  So as I've been able to try to get ready for that I have been doing that. So you're preparing for your preparations. [TS]

  Well you have to do pre preparations now. [TS]

  You laugh but [TS]

  but there are many things that are prepared for ations For example I have to make sure I have the right files on my [TS]

  computer says I have some things that are stored on the left or right. That's just preparation. [TS]

  I feel like like preparation is putting things in the bag. Pre preparations is getting things ready to be in the bag. [TS]

  For example have to make sure everything is going to bring with me is charged. [TS]

  I have an external backup battery for my i Phone so I have to make sure that that is charged [TS]

  but I can't charge that on the day so that has to fall under pre preparation there I think [TS]

  when you get to America great you know they have electricity over here and you know and you know they have it [TS]

  but the point is to be prepared for all contingencies with the underworld content. [TS]

  If there's no electricity in America I think you've got a problem with your phone where no no no I want I need a backup [TS]

  battery for my phone because you never know you never know [TS]

  when you're going to be in a situation where you need all of your i Phone battery. [TS]

  This is I don't know if I mentioned but I feel like I've mentioned this before [TS]

  but now now we are in that zone like we mentioned last time have I told this before have I not. [TS]

  I have no idea is too many episodes now. [TS]

  My mom was a flight attendant for very many years and one of the perks of being a flight attendant. [TS]

  Family members can fly standby very often. [TS]

  When I'm traveling to the United States [TS]

  or from the United States I am flying standby which means I don't exactly know which plane I'm going to get on [TS]

  or exactly what time I'm going to leave [TS]

  or you should explain why that's a perfect because so far it just sounds like an enormous hand [TS]

  but I guess I guess that's right it is a perk because one it is vastly cheaper than buying a ticket [TS]

  and the second perk is that if you are lucky sometimes you can end up in a business seat [TS]

  or a first class seat that is game changing. [TS]

  However if you are unlucky you end up in the middle seats in economy sitting next to may most likely to coin goes both [TS]

  ways on this one as low ahead though look at you you're in business class isn't that great tales. [TS]

  No in the middle of five in the back of economy. [TS]

  But by my calculation on this is the cost of saving plus probability of business class is worth it. [TS]

  Yet it does mean that I sometimes have longer days at the airport [TS]

  and this is why I feel I need to be prepared if I'm going to possibly be spending a day at the airport I want to make [TS]

  sure I have everything is ready to go. Like I'm camping I bring my own food. [TS]

  You know I want to make sure that I'm set with everything I could possibly need under all circumstances when traveling. [TS]

  But we're going to go into the airline lounge if you're on standby in that situation I'd like to get that because then [TS]

  you get food and power now to know that that lounge is only for people who actually pay for business class [TS]

  or first class there they don't let us stand by pleads into into that lounge I've never been in any of those lounges I [TS]

  don't know one of the looks like that they seem like magical places the door is open cool fresh air that that smells [TS]

  like so like a beach comes out all right now I have I have been in them in a couple of occasions for various reasons [TS]

  and I was to fancy. [TS]

  Yeah it's a long story but that they are not going to you can get ones that you pay to go into [TS]

  and they're quite nice to me I think that sometimes they're worth a little bit of money if you're going to be at an [TS]

  airport for a long time. Anyway I'll keep that in mind. [TS]

  All right OK so you're preparing and then preparing and you've written something here in the next about not bulbs. [TS]

  Now I was just thinking about this trip because it was a it was a good example of what we've talked about on one of our [TS]

  early podcast which was the four light bulbs episode about balancing work and family and friends and your health. [TS]

  So managing these four areas of your life [TS]

  and you only had Ray's famous for like Holmes was a terrible analogy for many reasons [TS]

  but the gist of it is fine that you only have so much energy to put into all of these different areas. [TS]

  Yeah I'm very aware of on this trip having made some decisions because for various reasons the past two summers that I [TS]

  was supposed to see my family in the States I was not able to do this in adequate ways. [TS]

  Two summers ago I was not able to pay as much attention as I would like to have because of some work stuff. [TS]

  And this most recent past summer I just wasn't able to go at all that I'm aware of the family labeled has been lower [TS]

  than normal. So this is the part of the reason why I've been aware of trying to do one. [TS]

  Clear the decks for this trip so that I can just kind of be present in the moment so I can have the family light bulb [TS]

  higher. [TS]

  But everything in life comes at a cost and so it has to come from somewhere [TS]

  and the place that it has come from in this case is work so I have I have had to dim down that let that light bulb out. [TS]

  As I said before I really think it's useful to think about everything in terms of tradeoffs. [TS]

  And for me the one example that that is the tradeoff here is [TS]

  when Destin first started talking about doing this as it like some sort of stage show [TS]

  and having us be all together in Huntsville my one requirement to Destine was I am on board as long as I don't have to [TS]

  do any preparation. Can I just show up. We're going to do a panel I can take some questions. [TS]

  You know we can do a meet and greet we can you know what. [TS]

  As long as I don't have to prepare for some kind of I am going to do a song and dance on stage I am in one of you [TS]

  and I going to do read my mind by the killers. Little do you know that's just going to be you. That's right. [TS]

  I just take the microphone at hand anyway. But yeah so that. [TS]

  So this this to me is one of these these these times where ideally I would love to actually do something like a more [TS]

  formal presentation but I know from myself and from from talks [TS]

  and things I've given in the past is that I prepare a lot for these kinds of things [TS]

  and so I like I have to make a decision that if I'm going to do a presentation like you can just pretend like you have [TS]

  infinite time [TS]

  and so I know that making that decision means saying no to family for basically the third time in a row so I had to [TS]

  make a decision about that that I can't. [TS]

  I have to make an adjustment here [TS]

  and in the way that I think is is is reasonable so this is one of those cases where like I said it is useful to you to [TS]

  consciously know how you are [TS]

  and how you're going to react under particular scenarios so family life is slightly higher this November then the work [TS]

  lightbulb would otherwise be. So how do you like spending. [TS]

  Like I love my parents and I know you love your parents and I'm always glad to say them [TS]

  and we both have parents that you know live in other countries so that opportunities are limited. [TS]

  But even when I go away to Australia and you know I will have a meal together and a catch up [TS]

  and tell some stories within about three [TS]

  or four hours I feel like we're off that you know how can you like say OK I'm going to spend a whole week with my [TS]

  parents like I'm just curious about how you feel that much time with some people who who you love enormously [TS]

  and who brought you into the world and have a great interest in each other but you. [TS]

  Well I liked different generations and you know how can you spend a whole week doing stuff with your parents [TS]

  and not doing anything else. Oh I wouldn't know how to fill the time. Yeah the key word there is availability. [TS]

  I want to be there and be available but that does not mean that my parents [TS]

  and I are sitting in a room looking at each other for eight hours a day all day that is not how it goes I just I keep I [TS]

  keep what I think of when I when I'm visiting as a work light routine. [TS]

  So instead of working almost all of the day I'm usually working in the mornings instead of having like a full workday I [TS]

  basically do a half workday and then I am available if my parents are around. But. [TS]

  If they are also very busy if they happen to be retired [TS]

  but they are the busiest retired people I have ever seen that ever. [TS]

  They're always going off to something or other so they might not be around if they're not around [TS]

  and I will continue to work. [TS]

  But if they happen to be around then I just I want to potentially be available [TS]

  and one of the things that can soak up an enormous amount of time which I think will sound familiar to lots of people [TS]

  is tech support for the parents. [TS]

  So my parents they literally keep a list of all of the things that they want me to fix [TS]

  or take care of from the last time I was there until the next time I am there. [TS]

  So I am I am in receipt of a list of things to do when I come and visit. [TS]

  So there is much to be done [TS]

  and this time in particular my parents are in the the middle of possibly moving so there are very many more things for [TS]

  me to help out with around the house than under normal circumstances so that's what I mean I want to be available [TS]

  but that doesn't mean that we are spending all of our time together one hundred percent of the day. [TS]

  I've got such a funny picture of you and your parents do sitting in a room together [TS]

  and looking at each other in silence. That's the way that's not what happens when we are in a room together. [TS]

  My wife commented on this behavior which I never even noticed because of course it's just what I grew up with but [TS]

  when we are even if it's even if like the T.V. [TS]

  Is on or we're together and it sort of dinner time everybody is on their own screens but even we're together. [TS]

  Everybody's also sort of half in their own little virtual world [TS]

  but yes it is a a screenful house whereas in my wife's family that is not at all the case that everybody does not have [TS]

  their own screen that they are also partly on so it is a very different environment. [TS]

  But for me I always thought it was normal like I was in every family like this and then I love my wife. [TS]

  No not every family is like. [TS]

  Do you do you have to scream [TS]

  when you're hanging out with the in-laws then is that it would be bad form for you to have your laptop open all the [TS]

  time when you're with them. Yes when I was when I was visiting my in-laws in Hawaii I was very aware of consciously D. [TS]

  Screening during dinner time. [TS]

  Oh oh we're actually going to all sit around this table together if you're going to say I was very conscious of not [TS]

  using my computer to only put away when there's when you're eating food. [TS]

  That was the time when I was I was aware of what they were actually all go on. [TS]

  I'm terribly sorry I were going to put on my Google Glass. [TS]

  That's so funny I thought yes I was very conscious to not use my screen at dinner time. That's terrible. [TS]

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  about Twitter and e-mail lists I would love to talk about that. [TS]

  I read your blog a couple of weeks ago and I wasn't that lucky I think but I have no sense of time I guess. [TS]

  Past Me made that I took I took from that that you were tired of all the different media platforms from pulling the rug [TS]

  out from under you [TS]

  and you're transitioning more to Iraq although I don't what I don't I used to tell people you wrote a little more [TS]

  eloquent and I am glad that I clearly communicated the intent of that article [TS]

  but I don't know if you wrote something about e-mail or whatever [TS]

  and this basically wasn't just a big long wasn't it just a big long plug for your email list. [TS]

  It was it was actually kind of a plug to unsubscribe from my email list but I will here let me let me get into that. [TS]

  No I that's that's well exactly what it was really a blog about this. [TS]

  So you're saying to me I wrote this piece on my website. [TS]

  I called it the professional share and what I was talking about is a certain kind of problem for you. [TS]

  I when I was a very broadly people who work in the public sphere in almost any way. [TS]

  So if you are a person who whose livelihood is in some sense dependent upon other people paying attention to you then [TS]

  then you have to be wary of social media platforms. [TS]

  I know the pattern that I have seen over and over again is that there's some new platform you face or whatever it is [TS]

  and you have you have people on that platform who are sharing creations that they make. [TS]

  So I make a video I post to you face and people who are following me on you face see that video. [TS]

  Yeah and this is kind of the promise of what platforms are you follow me. You get the thing that I've made. [TS]

  It's very simple but so. No beyond beyond just beyond hosting content this is sort of delivery. [TS]

  This is a delivery platforms Well yes it's a delivery platforms [TS]

  and in some places like You Tube may host the content as well so my videos actually live on You Tube But if I post [TS]

  something on Twitter that the video doesn't live on Twitter. [TS]

  But I'm I'm still people follow me on Twitter presumably because they want to see when I post new stuff [TS]

  and so they can see on Twitter oh he mentions here the new video up [TS]

  or whatever it is sort of like like a social network like a social network. [TS]

  So I'm using the term platform because this is this is the kind of business term as social networks get bigger [TS]

  and bigger and bigger. [TS]

  Eventually they start manipulating the relationship between people who are posting things [TS]

  and people who are receiving things. [TS]

  And so Facebook is the most famous example of this where I think most people know by now that [TS]

  when you log on to Facebook you don't see everything that your friends on Facebook post. [TS]

  You see some subset of everything that has been posted [TS]

  and it is Facebook that is making a decision about which things you see you know they have little bots that watch what [TS]

  you click or what you don't click and [TS]

  and they are using that information to determine what it is that you should see and I was [TS]

  but there's nothing there's nothing bad about this. I don't have a problem with the existence of that and. [TS]

  In very many cases people log on to Facebook and they don't want to see everything that everybody posts. [TS]

  They're very happy to have Facebook automatically filter that stuff for them. [TS]

  And this is this is been a kind of hullabaloo in the You Tube world is complaints for years about the way You Tube [TS]

  handles. [TS]

  How do subscribers receive the videos and You Tube has been very consistently transitioning from the clear relation. [TS]

  You see every video that everyone you're subscribed to posts to what they have now which is defaulting to the what to [TS]

  watch page which is again it is a youtube curating for you. [TS]

  What videos they think that you should watch presumably as you chew becomes more [TS]

  and more mature I guess you know people start subscribing to hundreds and hundreds of channels [TS]

  and they could be a bit they're figuring people could be a bit inundated [TS]

  or lost by under the avalanche if they get every single video delivered to them. Yeah that's their justification. [TS]

  Yeah there are two parts to this which is one You Tube has a data they know [TS]

  and maybe they're making a decision about we can see that the average subscriber numbers are just so big that no person [TS]

  can possibly watch all the videos to everyone they subscribe to so we're going to make this algorithmic decision the [TS]

  moment that a social network becomes large enough. [TS]

  The interests of the people using the social network [TS]

  and the interests of the social network itself start to diverge a little bit [TS]

  and this is where you if you are the owner of the social network you can start telling the bots that you want to [TS]

  optimize the site for X. [TS]

  and One of the things that you can do is say look we want to optimize this site to generate revenue. [TS]

  So [TS]

  when you are deciding what to show people if there are things that make us more money show them more of those things [TS]

  or at least at this current stage you know what. [TS]

  What would people presume what we're inferring that You Tube does is that You Tube is optimizing for two things which [TS]

  is watch length. [TS]

  So how long do you watch particular videos for and they're also optimizing for how long is your You Tube session. [TS]

  So how long do you stay on the web page. Yeah and you can see why this is in You Tube's best interest. [TS]

  But maybe it's not in the user's best interest because they're showing you things that that will get you to stay on You [TS]

  Tube but that is not the same as showing you things that you decided that you wanted to watch on purpose. [TS]

  Yeah that's that's the moment when a social network becomes particularly big and [TS]

  but we mentioned a couple episodes ago that Twitter had made a testing the waters announcement that they were going to [TS]

  start to use bots to adjust the timelines of people [TS]

  and a couple weeks ago I saw for the first time I logged into the Twitter Web site. [TS]

  Oh this is different from what I know is the fact of the order in which messages have been posted to my Twitter. [TS]

  So was the first time I saw Twitter has decided that they are actually changing the way the timeline works. [TS]

  And that put me over the edge. [TS]

  So you outlined the problem and this is that this is an age old problem [TS]

  and we've seen a few social networks going down this path now where their job is kind of just a sort of a neutral [TS]

  middleman. It is becoming distorted. You think email is the answer. It doesn't matter. [TS]

  Any future platforms that come along if they're owned by a single company it doesn't matter what they are. [TS]

  They're all going to suffer from the same problem that if they get bigger the incentives are always in this particular [TS]

  direction to start using bots to optimize for whatever it is they want to optimize for. [TS]

  And there happens to be a new social network that's trying to get off the ground right now called Elo I think you [TS]

  and L O has made this big deal about how oh we're not going to have advertisers we're not going to use bots [TS]

  and you know what. [TS]

  It doesn't it does not matter what they say because if the company ever gets sold [TS]

  or it gets bought out by somebody else this can change. [TS]

  So you didn't I'd like to make some big who How about assigning an official chart of a like a legally binding document. [TS]

  Yes Or is that just pay from what I was able to investigate it is essentially a P.R. Move. [TS]

  Yes this is legally binding for this company but there are ways around this which is OK with you just [TS]

  when you sell off the company well you happen to sell the assets [TS]

  and the assets are the user the now some other company owns the user [TS]

  and so it like from the outside it doesn't look like anything has changed. [TS]

  But legally are able to get around this because it's a new corporate entity that is not bound by the agreement of the [TS]

  previous one. [TS]

  Yeah it has nothing to do with a network in particular it has everything to do with the incentives of the players [TS]

  involved. And so Mike My conclusion is the only way around this is to use a very old technology which is email. [TS]

  I love that you just go to a very old technology. [TS]

  Well actually when I wrote the article I looked it up about when was the first email sent. [TS]

  And like many things it depends a lot on what you want to count as email button. [TS]

  It is sometime during the one nine hundred sixty S. [TS]

  Depending on where you want to put that line so I think that that that at this stage that counts as very old I mean one [TS]

  nine hundred sixty was yeah that's true five years ago that's not really that's not really even out I was as you [TS]

  and I know anyway. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  but I think I think it's fair to say that how old is the light bulb the light bulb is more than a hundred years old now [TS]

  but those original know little to nothing how old is the helicopter [TS]

  and then are you saying oh well Leonardo Davinci did Leonardo da Vinci never built a helicopter that you know I need a [TS]

  working a working prototype here [TS]

  and in the one nine hundred sixty there was a working email not well I just made up a thing [TS]

  and I drew it on a piece of paper you know he didn't invent the helicopter he drew a nice picture that looks like a [TS]

  helicopter is entirely different. [TS]

  He does not try to know that kind of stuff just irritates me earlier [TS]

  and I was going to get so much credit for what this great inventor. [TS]

  Now he wasn't a great inventor he was a great sketch or he was a fraud or that different. He was a total fraud. [TS]

  I'm not saying he's a fraud because I don't think he claimed to have invented these things. [TS]

  I'm just saying he drew some nice things in a notebook and some of those things happened to become real later on [TS]

  but he didn't build that tank and he just thought about it doesn't count if you just think about it. [TS]

  People who make the prototypes. That's what counts. [TS]

  So I don't mean to tell me to go off [TS]

  but so I do think it is fair to say that he now has a very old technology I guess with the conclusion of Y. Z. [TS]

  Mal The solution to the problem. [TS]

  Unlike a social network email is not centrally controlled so the Twitter company has complete control over everything [TS]

  about Twitter and they can unilaterally make changes to anything that they want at any time. [TS]

  But email is much more like an agreement between different parties. [TS]

  It is an agreement between lots of machines that use the Internet about how to communicate with each other [TS]

  and so since it is not as centrally controlled. [TS]

  There's nobody to say oh we're going to be the ones to make changes across all of e-mail to how people are ever going [TS]

  to receive e-mail in their own in boxes. Nobody nobody has that control. [TS]

  It is the one medium that exists that you can still have this direct relationship between the person who shares [TS]

  something and the person who wants to receive something [TS]

  and you can count on that to continue to exist into the future as well because e-mail has been around for quite a while. [TS]

  So it is reasonable to assume that e-mail will continue to be around for quite a while. [TS]

  So you basically want to e-mail every every single person who's a great fan you want to send them an email every time [TS]

  you make a video. I am making available an e-mail list that people can subscribe to is not a requirement. [TS]

  I'm still going to be using Twitter and Facebook and the wildly successful Google. [TS]

  I will still be posting things on there because people people want to use them [TS]

  and some people Facebook is their you know their primary place to see stuff [TS]

  and last time I checked my referral logs Facebook is still the number one source of traffic to the videos outside of [TS]

  You Tube itself. [TS]

  So I'm going to use all of those things but I want to have some kind of broadcast medium that is under my control [TS]

  and that I can reasonably trust in the long term and the only solution to that is email. [TS]

  So I it is it is an additional place where people want to they can subscribe [TS]

  but it's not like I am I'm resigning from the internet [TS]

  and I'm saying I'm not going to use any of these newfangled technologies that the kids use these days [TS]

  and I'm only going to use my old man email that's that is not the that is not the case [TS]

  but I think it is a question of control [TS]

  and I really I really think that if if there is anybody listening who like I said is any kind of work in the public [TS]

  sphere you want to make an e-mail list an available option for people to follow you. [TS]

  I think I have done so on your advice cry I started one as well. Oh yeah I saw that you started one. [TS]

  I thought you said it one bit but you you. You have a very timid sign up form on your your email list. [TS]

  Do you think it's out there like oh I promise never to email you I think is what you say on your blog. [TS]

  That's not what I say but let me say why I have a timid sign up because it leads to my next question [TS]

  and that is I guess my sign up form reflects in some ways my attitude to my team [TS]

  and that is for me now is kind of like a refuge it's like more of a it's more of a private place where you know my [TS]

  friends and family and you know I try to keep it uncluttered. I do badly. [TS]

  That but the idea of people who I don't personally know but follow you know on Twitter and Facebook and You Tube [TS]

  and then suddenly having access to that as well and deluging me there as well it's a bit like Oh for goodness sake. [TS]

  Now [TS]

  when can I go where these people can get me like you know if I want if I want to you know get things from these people [TS]

  I feel like I will go to them and I feel like it's a very exclusive circle being in the club [TS]

  and the idea of having having the outside world raining down on me there just means Onate suddenly put a whole bunch of [TS]

  controls in place there to keep those people out and then it defeats the whole purpose. [TS]

  When I wrote that post somebody made a funny little mean image there was a picture of my stick figure face [TS]

  and said something like at the top I want to send you a whole lot more e-mail [TS]

  and then at the bottom it says please don't ever e-mail Nick because I mean you famously don't like receiving an e-mail [TS]

  saying yes that is entirely it is entirely true [TS]

  and I've really got a good laugh out of that one because it it did it did kind of capture the situation [TS]

  and that's why I was making this is absolutely available for people but I agree with you. [TS]

  Email is of e-mail as a very very sensitive subject [TS]

  and it can already be a very busy channel there are a lot of people who are competing for time [TS]

  and attention in your e-mail inbox. So. [TS]

  That's what I wish that there was some kind of other solution for this [TS]

  and many people have have mentioned to me Well why don't you use R.S.S. So R.S.S. [TS]

  For those who might not be aware is a really simple syndication. [TS]

  I think it's a technology that is used to notify computers about updates and changes to Web sites [TS]

  and it seems like it is the perfect solution but I have to disregard R.S.S. [TS]

  Because it is too technical for a normal person. Two years. Granted this is exactly what R.S.S. [TS]

  Was designed for but the reality of the situation is that when I [TS]

  when I think about some of the people I know who subscribe [TS]

  and follow my stuff there's no way they're going to have an R.S.S. Clients to follow R.S.S. [TS]

  Feed so even though that would be the perfect solution it doesn't pass my can everybody use this test. [TS]

  So yes in an ideal world R.S.S. [TS]

  Would be what I use [TS]

  but that is not an ideal world so I guess another reason I've been more timid in my my selling of my email list as well [TS]

  is that you don't create as much content as me. Yeah so signing on for a C.D.P. [TS]

  Graham outfit was like Oh well I might get an email every few weeks about about a video [TS]

  or a pod cast whereas people know it's sort of you know I put a video up every day [TS]

  and I write so I want to make it abundantly clear that I don't have to my thing. [TS]

  They're not going to get an email every day saying new video new video in fact since I started a month [TS]

  or two ago I've only sent to him so I kind of I will only send an email [TS]

  when I think it's something super special clock I sent one for the PI video. [TS]

  Because I've got a percentage of it to that video and you know that this is worth it. [TS]

  So maybe maybe I do need to be fed up a bit and encourage people to sign on more [TS]

  but my timidity is also borne of that I don't want to I don't want to scare people off in that way. [TS]

  But you've you've you've thought about this as well by the looks of it because you've made some changes to your son. [TS]

  Well there's three three points to this. [TS]

  The first which is to get back to why did I write this was because when I [TS]

  when I first made my e-mail list I had a similarly I promise not to email you very often. [TS]

  Sign up form letter this is I'm only going to use it for occasional things the whole reason that I wrote this post was [TS]

  it was intended for the pre-existing subscribers on my e-mail list to tell them Look you subscribed under very [TS]

  different circumstances. [TS]

  Yeah I want to let you know that I have been kind of forced to make some changes to the system [TS]

  and I'm giving you the option to unsubscribe right now before this happens because this was not this is not the deal [TS]

  that we agreed to. So you kind of just letting them know you're going to move the goalposts a bit. [TS]

  Yeah and this is this is one of cases where you know it's very strange being a one person business [TS]

  but you can make you can make decisions that are real a real business with many people wouldn't make a real business [TS]

  would not send an e-mail out to people saying you might want to unsubscribe from our email list [TS]

  but I'm trying to think about it like if I was my own subscriber even if I was OK with the changes I would still want [TS]

  to do. [TS]

  I would still want to get something that was a notification that things are going to change so that is why I wrote it [TS]

  and then once I had written it I thought Oh well actually I can post it on my blog as well [TS]

  and so I did get additional subscribers from the blog post [TS]

  but I did also get a decent number of people unsubscribing when they got that message because they [TS]

  and I got a couple nice emails from people which I didn't reply to [TS]

  but I did read them saying I thank you for letting me know about the changes for you. [TS]

  I have to say I would feel like a terrible call of the void feeling putting my email into an email list for you because [TS]

  I would be worried as a man very protective of his e-mail inbox. [TS]

  I wouldn't even let it slip there's any sign of it and I decided to address. [TS]

  Once they are signed up and I'll click the Confirm link and I'll go get a sandwich and I'll come back [TS]

  and I am so mad that you said that that you now have to sign up to my email list and I'll be checking that you do. [TS]

  OK OK maybe just to prove it is not like that one of the reasons also that I like email as a potential option even [TS]

  though it does have problems is first on on my end. I happen to be using Mail Chimp at the moment to manage my email. [TS]

  A list and some not because I just use whatever you recommend. There we go. [TS]

  A male chimp you want to sponsor an episode maybe she can touch nature now. [TS]

  You could always say that but maybe they will send them out to make is great when I read it. [TS]

  Lester I was poking around in their settings [TS]

  and I discovered that I can arrange it so that people can say what things they do [TS]

  and what things they don't want to subscribe to. [TS]

  You know so I can send out a message only to the people who want articles or only to the people who want podcasts [TS]

  and not annoy people because I'm very concerned about. [TS]

  I don't want to be sending messages to people who don't want to get [TS]

  and that defeats the whole purpose you know the implicit agreement here is that you want something from me [TS]

  but I don't also want to send you stuff that you don't want. [TS]

  There is control on this side where I can say OK I've set it up in this particular way [TS]

  and the person can choose what they want to receive or what they don't want to receive. [TS]

  But the other thing that I like about email is how much control the end user has. [TS]

  So like you mentioned I have an enormous number of filters in my G. [TS]

  Mail System I actually counted it the other day [TS]

  and I have something like almost seventy various filters for my email inbox. [TS]

  And I like a system that lets the users control how they want things to be. [TS]

  For example if I signed up to your email list I will almost certainly set up a filter to put it in a folder to review [TS]

  later because I don't want to see it necessarily right when it comes out. [TS]

  But I do want to review it at some later point. And I like a system like that that lets people choose for themselves. [TS]

  How do they want to receive things [TS]

  when do they want to receive things as opposed to a system like Facebook where you don't have control over how you're [TS]

  going to receive the things that you've signed up for. [TS]

  Facebook has all of the control about how are you going to see things or how you're not going to see it. [TS]

  It's the day after I put that post up. [TS]

  Google announced that they have a new program called Google inbox [TS]

  and have you seen this at all Google currently has their G. Mail senior G. [TS]

  Mail dot com but they currently have a new interface that they're calling inbox [TS]

  and the best way to think about this is the Facebook is ation of your inbox. [TS]

  So why Google is going to do is they are going to use bots [TS]

  and algorithms to try to optimize your inbox based on how you interact with it [TS]

  and how you reply to messages to try to prioritize things for you. That's craziness. [TS]

  Well so so I put up this big thing about things like oh I email is great if there's one thing that we can trust [TS]

  and then the next day Google basically said We're Facebook izing e-mail so I got a lot of people saying what do you [TS]

  think about this and my responses. [TS]

  I'm perfectly OK with this as long as as long as there are other options like you know as long as we're not all full [TS]

  shovelled into the I am OK with it because it is still an end user choice if you want to use a Facebook ised email [TS]

  and you can take that is up to you and if you like that better that is perfectly great. [TS]

  How do you know it's not the thin end of the wedge gray and they're not going to like you know. This phase the G. [TS]

  Mail web interface over the next five years and just and then start integrating Google plus into this and that [TS]

  and we're all going to I don't know man I'm worried I can see why that you wear it and it [TS]

  and there may be a reason to be a little bit worried because G. [TS]

  Mail is such a huge portion of the e-mail world but I still say that as long as as long as G. [TS]

  Mail has an option to use external email clients. So G. [TS]

  Mail is my back end but I use the mail application on my mac to actually access it. That's fine. [TS]

  I am still in control of how my. Going to receive my email and then turn off that capability so if G. [TS]

  Mail turned off that capability then there would be some complaining. [TS]

  But but my bet is that even even Google would know that that is a bridge too far they can push [TS]

  and encourage people to use the inbox but if they require that if everybody who uses G. [TS]

  Mail has to use the inbox that is the point at which I switch e-mail providers because like that is that is just too [TS]

  much. [TS]

  But [TS]

  but even with email you can do all kinds of great things that you can't do like with Facebook where you can set up forwarding [TS]

  addresses in email you can have many many old email accounts that are like this where the email account is inactive [TS]

  but it has a rule that says any and all messages that come to here just forwarded to the next e-mail account [TS]

  and I have several chains of that going back through time with my only my old email messages back here nineteen sixties. [TS]

  So exactly right. I was negative twenty you know I don't know where you are Leonardo da Vinci. Yes that's right. [TS]

  So so that's why again I'm I'm perfectly fine with the Google inbox project I took I took a look at it I have to say I [TS]

  like the visual look of it I think it's much cleaner than the terribly ugly G. [TS]

  Mail interface so I'm very happy for people to be doing interesting new projects with e-mail [TS]

  and I give it a thumbs up [TS]

  but I think most people who are messaging me were expecting me to talk about how terrible it is [TS]

  but that's that's not the way I feel at all as long as the user has a choice about how they receive things. [TS]

  I don't I don't mind if my emails get filtered into a sub folder if that if that is what you are choosing to do [TS]

  and I want you to receive things from me in the way you want to receive them [TS]

  and email is the only choice that that can really meet that criteria. [TS]

  And that's what and anybody who does anything in public. [TS]

  I think that they should start an email list if they don't already have one. [TS]

  Because that's probably something that you can depend on existing in basically its current form [TS]

  and still be useful for a long time in your career. [TS]

  Well I followed your advice only for you to then tell everyone this thing to our point across not to sign on the minds [TS]

  I think that I know I didn't say don't sign on I said I would feel a call of the void that is not the same thing is [TS]

  don't sign up well you can sign on to graze they'll be a link in the show nights [TS]

  and they'll be monitoring in the show next to you [TS]

  and you'd better put money you'd better put mine in capitals with a big asterisk next to this is this is Mr complaining [TS]

  pads I put your sub Reddit in a nice big prominent position and I just now [TS]

  and you've got something like a thousand extra subscribers to you know read it yet because it's not because of me. [TS]

  I'm going to take one hundred percent credit that I am the king maker because Ed on the read it thank you. [TS]

  I will put your email list in there as well. People you you can subscribe with Brady. [TS]

  Although my question Brady is are you going to send more e-mail messages are you going to change the way you use your [TS]

  email list. No I'm not going to start sending them every every video I don't have a video but are you going to send it. [TS]

  More more than two. [TS]

  The plan is to send more than you know one every couple of months I don't know I mean maybe maybe I mean you suggested [TS]

  to me that maybe I should set up a system like yours for lots of different projects of people like number father don't [TS]

  like periodic videos or you know they like to go videos [TS]

  but don't like sixty symbols they can you know things are very good so maybe I'll do that down the track [TS]

  but at the moment it's just for like really occasional special things that I feel like I want to tell people you know [TS]

  gosh guys maybe because You Tube and Facebook and Twitter rubbish you do don't realize these things happened [TS]

  but I just really want you to know about it. [TS]

  This is been a particular bug bear in the in the You Tube world of people who is complaining about. [TS]

  Videos not not showing up on their messages every time I post something on You Tube I get several e-mails. [TS]

  People saying that that it never showed up in their own their own what to watch list [TS]

  and they would have known if they hadn't followed me on Twitter [TS]

  or something else oh yeah that's the slippery world I think you're talking a lot of sense on this [TS]

  and I see problems I see problems ahead as more and more people realize this [TS]

  and then email becomes the default thing to use for people like us then I think people you know civilians will have to [TS]

  put in a whole new bunch of Shields and filters [TS]

  and they'll be a whole bunch of new middlemen that'll come in to help out. [TS]

  It could turn into the same thing all over again and I still wonder if email is kind of like a semi sanctuary [TS]

  but I think you're right [TS]

  and maybe Mao will become this special little cave that just people let their favorite providers into you know I think [TS]

  that's what I hope will happen you know as someone who who who does like a bit of privacy the name Albert really loves [TS]

  C G P great videos will just let those exclusive into that little. [TS]

  So yeah I mean that's that's kind of how I use it right now so I because I am I'm a tech and I have an R.S.S. [TS]

  Reader that I use and I am subscribed to a whole bunch of Web sites with that R.S.S. Reader. [TS]

  But there are a subsection of those Web sites where I have signed up to their e-mail newsletter [TS]

  and I have a filter for that which puts it immediately into my flag folder so I can I can review it [TS]

  but I don't sign up for the email list of every web site that I use so I do have these kind of two tiers of I think I [TS]

  have two web sites that I really like that I have their e-mail lists because I want to have them above everything else [TS]

  and then everything else is in the R.S.S. [TS]

  Reader where I can kind of check it all at once and so I feel like that's a reasonable way [TS]

  and while you can expect most people to use an R.S.S. Reader that you can mix. [TS]

  Back to Facebook to be the equivalent of that that people sign up as fans of a bunch of stuff they like [TS]

  and then maybe only two or three or four things that they really like. [TS]

  They also sign up to get that stuff in their e-mail inbox. [TS]

  But I think it's a bit sad that You Tube has gone down that path. [TS]

  Maybe maybe on Boston to plink it here [TS]

  but I do feel like You Tube was was a platform where there was more of a bond on the sign up when [TS]

  when you subscribed to a child it was more of a commitment that you wanted everything [TS]

  and I feel that the movement of those goalposts is less fair [TS]

  but maybe I am not a good judge of how people use You Tube [TS]

  and people are subscribing to a billion channels without a care or thought [TS]

  and a trusting You Tube to sort the wheat from the chaff [TS]

  but I didn't feel it was that way I felt it was more of a contract. But yeah it's this is again is what. [TS]

  I trust that You Tube does things that are in You Tube's best interest so I I I know that that is what they are going [TS]

  to do so if if for whatever reason they want to optimize for watch time [TS]

  or youtube session I trust that the changes they are making will do that. [TS]

  People often complain when you to make changes or why this is happening [TS]

  but I'm absolutely cover that You Tube has very good internal reasons for why they have have done the things that they [TS]

  have done. [TS]

  Yes vaguely like I have spoken to people within You Tube [TS]

  and I confirm this for some things that seem like they are strange changes and then someone tells you they are reading. [TS]

  Oh OK That makes total sense. White doesn't necessarily like thinking of you specifically. [TS]

  That doesn't necessarily align with your interests. [TS]

  Well yeah that's what I mean is is that you actually may I tell you that I can imagine a C.D.P. [TS]

  Grey fan in particular is a sort of person he might say I think most videos on You Tube are rubbish but are. [TS]

  Really like Grace. [TS]

  So I just watched his and then I go off and you know I do my own thing in the robot world [TS]

  and don't watch another video. [TS]

  So someone who watches your videos are only watching like a five minute video and hanging around [TS]

  and watching twenty more videos and your videos are quite short. [TS]

  You know you're not good for watch time and you're not necessarily good for stick ability on the Web so you too [TS]

  but I may have overlapping interests but that is a very different thing from having aligned interests [TS]

  and especially as I talk about the professional share as the article title is that as soon as this becomes your living. [TS]

  If you are the person who are making things you have to think about this in a very very different way [TS]

  and you can not if you're going to have a long term career completely bank on a third party entity [TS]

  and you having interests that are aligned for ever that there may come a point at which they make changes which don't [TS]

  benefit you in the same way [TS]

  and what you said with that with the subscriber thing that has definitely changed over time in a way that I find less [TS]

  useful and I used to be subscribed to a bunch of channels on You Tube [TS]

  and at this point I have actually just unsubscribe from everything I am not subscribed to a single channel on youtube [TS]

  anymore because from from my perspective I just found it useless. Why am I subscribe to these things. [TS]

  This whole system just does not fit the way that I want to use You Tube And so I'm just I'm not even going to pretend [TS]

  that this is the case anymore. [TS]

  But again I trust that You Tube is doing that for reasons that are in You Tube's best interest. [TS]

  But this is this is a case where I want to give people who want to use it in a different way the option to do that. [TS]

  An e-mail is the only way that I can think of that would that would solve that that issue [TS]

  but yeah subscribers definitely mean something different than they did years ago you know. [TS]

  I think of it now as when someone presses the subscribe button. [TS]

  What they're really doing is giving the You Tube bots an additional data point for what to recommend on the what to [TS]

  watch page like it is it is a suggestion to You Tube of things you might want to see it is not a request to You Tube to [TS]

  guarantee that you will see those things in the very different relationship so I also think that as youtube makes those [TS]

  changes it's very likely that it affects user behavior that it pushes people to subscribe to more things if they don't [TS]

  feel like it's as big of a commitment that [TS]

  when they log in they're going to see oh I have twenty unwatched video so maybe that's why they make the change I don't [TS]

  know do you think. [TS]

  First well you shoot the complaints of the fans and all of a million subscribers [TS]

  and everybody you know I mean that's so that gold buttons there was a bit less special to tell you that. [TS]

  Yes since we have been discussing email so very much I thought I would mention a little thing about managing email [TS]

  which someone might need if say they subscribe to both of our email lists there is a there's a new feature in Iowa [TS]

  states that I have been playing around with and I think I like quite a lot which is thread notifications for email. [TS]

  So in Iowa you have normally been able to designate people as very important people and so you can have your phone [TS]

  or computer buzz when a very important person emailed you and that was and I was seven I think and I tried it out [TS]

  and I ultimately decided this is entirely unsatisfactory because while people may be important in my life not all of [TS]

  the things that those people send are important and so I didn't. [TS]

  I'm kind of feeling to look down at the moment I am making no comment about anybody who may [TS]

  or may not have been on a very important email list. The I have a lot of puppy photos I need. [TS]

  Right and those photos need to be sent they are super cute. [TS]

  And again I'm not commenting about anyone in particular [TS]

  but I'm just I'm just saying in general I tried it out for a little while with V.I.P.'s [TS]

  and came to the conclusion that my computer is beeping far too much. [TS]

  This is this is too much noise and not enough signal for me to actually use this. [TS]

  So but in Iowa they have a new feature which is thread notifications and so what you can do is [TS]

  when you send a message to somebody you can say I just want a notification [TS]

  when there is a reply to this e-mail thread not to a message from this person in general [TS]

  and I have been finding is a very useful feature although it comes with a bit of a cost for me because as I mentioned [TS]

  in previous shows Normally I have my i Phone set up so that I do not have access to e-mail at all which is the ideal [TS]

  case for me I don't want e-mail on my phone. [TS]

  But this thread notification feature currently only works with I O S A does not work with O S X. [TS]

  So I have to have it on my i Phone or my i Pad So I went with my i Phone And so it is. [TS]

  Really great for this kind of situation where you want to keep the ball out of your court. [TS]

  So my example is the video that I most recently released which is the single transferable vote video. [TS]

  I was working with the very excellent commute to do the art work on that one. [TS]

  And he's the same person who has done a couple of the amazing pieces of hello internet fan art. [TS]

  So I got in touch with him to ask him to help me out with some of the artwork for the video [TS]

  and because the turn around time was very short on this. [TS]

  I always wanted to know whenever he emails me I want to see that immediately so I can tell him you know a thumbs up [TS]

  or a thumbs down on a design change that he made or or suggest something that I want done a little bit differently. [TS]

  But we have to keep this moving because he's always going to be waiting on me to hear the thumbs up or thumbs down [TS]

  or two or changes that need to be made and it's couple of the things I've used the threat notifications for. [TS]

  As well some things with. Like I was complaining about my taxes that I have to do because I'm not a bear. [TS]

  There's a few things like that where I want to get the notification back straight away [TS]

  and I have put you sometimes on the thread notification but not always. [TS]

  To turn to turn stuff around that needs to get turned around so I have really liked it [TS]

  but it does come at this cost of having email on my phone all the time which I don't like [TS]

  and so I do find myself much more than I really want to just checking email which is a terrible habit to get into old [TS]

  let me just look and see what's in the email inbox in the scenario where I can't reasonably do anything about anything. [TS]

  Email should be a tool where you sit down and say Right I'm going to burn through a bunch of e-mail right now [TS]

  and this is not what I'm dedicated to do not just like oh let me fall into it [TS]

  and sort of look you know maybe I'll reply but I can't really because I'm on my phone [TS]

  and I have this tiny keyboard so it does kind I don't know I'm pretty much my life. You're describing the anyway. [TS]

  Yes that's terrible is not what you want to do. That feeds your dopamine addiction to always be checking my email. [TS]

  But I like the feature I think people should should try it out. [TS]

  But it does come at this cost and one of the times [TS]

  when it came at a tremendous cost to me I just felt like a total jerk as I was out with my wife [TS]

  and we were trying to find a new pair of glasses for me. [TS]

  So we're like we're out with a with a job in mind we're here we need to find new glasses which is the whole story of [TS]

  tragedy that will have to save for another time that could go on for hours [TS]

  but we're going to very many places trying to find a new pair of glasses that is acceptable to both my wife and to me. [TS]

  Ultimately we were unsuccessful in this adventure at one point. [TS]

  Well we need sustenance because otherwise we're just going to pass out. [TS]

  So we went to go get dinner together [TS]

  and I am very firmly of the position that if you are having a dedicated dinner with someone you shouldn't be on your [TS]

  phone. [TS]

  You can look at the phone when the other person gets up to go to the bathroom or something [TS]

  but you're not on the phone with the person either you're spending [TS]

  or you go to the extreme sneakily just to check your phone if you are a dupe a mean drug addict then yes you can do [TS]

  that otherwise I would say no. But anyway so I was having dinner with my wife. [TS]

  My phone beeps that it's a message from Knute and he needs some feedback. [TS]

  It happened to be we were going back [TS]

  and forth about the queen lion which was many many emails about actually checked something like sixteen emails back [TS]

  and forth with canoe to get these drawings done over the face of a very difficult person to work with this is I don't [TS]

  know if you will [TS]

  but it was one of those moments in life where my wife did know what was going on I had explained to her in advance I'm [TS]

  trying to get the stuff done [TS]

  but suddenly I realized I am that guy now I am that guy who is out to dinner with his wife but his phone has beeped [TS]

  and now he's going to take ten minutes to respond to somebody who is not physically at that dinner about a work related [TS]

  thing [TS]

  but the funny thing is well it's not like it was about like a whole bunch of stocks that were about to plunge in value [TS]

  by ten million dollars in cost to your house. [TS]

  Yeah it was like should the queen LUNs eyebrow be a little bit higher in the first picture. [TS]

  There was actually a discussion about the expression on the greenline face what. [TS]

  Even if I was looking turned around but it [TS]

  but it just it's one of those funny moments in life where you think oh I'm not this guy [TS]

  and then I discovered oh I kind of am this guy in this moment and I've never done that before. [TS]

  Taking a moment that is supposed to be a I'm with a person and we're spending some time together moment [TS]

  and turning it into oh guess what I'm doing work because of my phone so that I think that is one of the one of the very [TS]

  many reasons why I don't like even having the option of email on my phone [TS]

  but I have found a thread notifications very valuable enough that I am experimenting with this as as a feature for the [TS]

  moment so I just want to mentor you just reminded me of something. [TS]

  Oh I forgot to mention when we did the part where we talk about what we've been up to [TS]

  and it was a brilliant chance for me to brag [TS]

  and that was speaking of animators went to Pixar this way to move very exciting [TS]

  and I haven't got much to say about it I was just making a number file video which will come out eventually [TS]

  but the thing that I found really interesting was that they had the best one of the best brag things I have a saying [TS]

  and that is you know I've got this cool place you know just this ridiculously cool campus there on Hulu [TS]

  and you go into like the main building which is called the Steve Jobs yet hole of the Steve Jobs building [TS]

  or whatever with big and you walk in [TS]

  and the first thing you see on the right is this enormous glass cabinet full of Oscars. [TS]

  Larry all that has got all these other trophies is not the best trophy cabinet ever saying I mean you would hate it [TS]

  because you know your position on trophies but it's different for a company a company is not a human being. [TS]

  They can have a trophy cabinet full of all the things the company has accomplished because that is there to inspire the [TS]

  workers. It's very different from a person having a trophy cabinet of all of a lot of exciting. [TS]

  Look if you want a bunch of trophies as C.D.P. [TS]

  Gray the filmmaker I gotta get up in the morning and say your trophies and think you know I am loved. [TS]

  This is just very different. [TS]

  If you're a total narcissist you know that is you know I don't think it's very different [TS]

  but I do I don't think it's much different Pixar having a bunch of trophies to inspire the workers [TS]

  and you having won a few awards [TS]

  and having the monumental pace to inspire I think that we're talking about almost the exact same thing. [TS]

  It couldn't possibly be more different it's so different I don't even I don't even know how we're having this [TS]

  conversation really different what do you think true. So anyway I think they're working on I want to. [TS]

  Well I mean you know they're they're pretty pretty secretive place [TS]

  and they're pretty limited where I was allowed to go where I was let a point cameras. [TS]

  Then next movies like I was like can you tell me what movies you're working on issues well you know we've publicly [TS]

  announced that So the next three films they're working on are so public knowledge anywhere else I have come away with [TS]

  no information that I didn't have before. Other than the fact I have a totally awesome trophy cabinet. [TS]

  Oh and one other thing which I thought you would like is when you go you get given a visitor's badge [TS]

  and the visitor's badge has those little little aliens from the the closure [TS]

  and it has your name on the name badge underneath nicks that Eilean it says it says like a stranger from the outside [TS]

  world like identified as an alien while you're in the building that is the best visitor's badge I have ever heard about. [TS]

  Yeah and I know you'd like em and they like I said lightly and say Yeah I'll take a picture. [TS]

  Oh I'll send you a picture of it [TS]

  and you can you can I would very much like to see that you can share it with people whenever you put your mind to me [TS]

  because you know while you're while you're dealing with a canary I'm dealing with Pixar so we're both dealing with [TS]

  animators of the highest caliber. [TS]

  So speaking of doing this animating for you you put out another video you actually put a adjuring had put it out before [TS]

  our last podcast but I was so busy talking about myself [TS]

  and my video that we never we never even mentioned the fact you put a video out saying we must talk about it because it [TS]

  is also extremely timely about elections. [TS]

  Yes voting yes is the next one in the politics in the Animal Kingdom series [TS]

  and I figured I did want to get this out before the next midterm election. [TS]

  So it is up I had intended to get it out for the last midterm election but I missed that deadline. [TS]

  So it has it has been only I looked it up. [TS]

  This is only something like three years [TS]

  and eleven months since the last installment of the politics in the Animal Kingdom series [TS]

  but so have finally finally been able to update some of the annotations which is. [TS]

  Embarrassingly one of my early videos that something like single transferable vote in the works coming soon enough. [TS]

  It's more like a that is much more like four years. [TS]

  But because I remembered a couple of videos that I didn't work so I've promised sequels [TS]

  and then I think I'll do something else [TS]

  and the sequel is still still coming mid-term elections before I ask you about the video [TS]

  and single transferable vote in the midterm elections. [TS]

  I'm going to show my ignorance here because you know although of although I've watched the entire series of The West [TS]

  Wing three times I just wanna be clear on what happens in midterm elections is that like half the Congress [TS]

  or the Senate or what happens at what. [TS]

  Who's getting who's losing their job and who's being reelected what what happens at the midterms. [TS]

  So this really this awful memory so I think this is this is right [TS]

  but the situation is that the the the legislative branch of the United States is broken up into two parts. [TS]

  There is the Senate which represents the States which is two senators per state [TS]

  and there is the House of Representatives which is roughly but not really by population of the states [TS]

  and the tank has more than has major problems with the way they allocate votes but that's a whole other story. [TS]

  So when the mid-term elections take place all of the House of Representatives is up for election. [TS]

  So they have they have to be reelected every two years. [TS]

  Every congressman every one in the House of Representatives they only do to turn two year terms like it's that that is [TS]

  the house I saw some reason I thought they had four year terms but they were half out of sync. [TS]

  OK I don't have a mother with a what you're thinking of is the Senate and the Senate they have six year terms. [TS]

  But it is staggered so that only a third of the Senate is up for election every two years. [TS]

  Suddenly I'm wondering how did the Senate get started with staggering things that were there for in the first Senate [TS]

  draw hats and the unlucky guys only want to say don't do it by four years [TS]

  and just have it because then you could have one senator from each state for reelection I did it that way. [TS]

  It seems somewhat similar to the midterm election is a bigger deal than I thought then because they're actually [TS]

  sweeping out the whole the whole House of Representatives the whole the whole bunch of being swept out [TS]

  and swept by can you say something like it's a bigger deal than you thought. [TS]

  But the actuality of the situation is while it should be a big deal. [TS]

  You can almost not believe how much of a non-event the midterm elections are in the United States. [TS]

  I have spoken to several people over the last couple of weeks who were Americans who basically said oh the midterm [TS]

  elections happening I guess. That's right I saw I saw a sign somewhere about electing a local guy you know. [TS]

  Whatever my personal position on this is that him he cited states the executive branch with the president gets way more [TS]

  media and attention than it deserves relative to its power and the legislative branch gets WAY less media [TS]

  and less attention that it deserves relative to the power [TS]

  and I think that's partly because it is just easier to focus on a single individual [TS]

  and to imbue that individual with all of the responsibility of the entire government [TS]

  and then the gladiatorial contest is and there are presidential elections far more compelling than [TS]

  and all the tiny little skirmishes. [TS]

  Yes That's that's exactly it whereas you know in a vast simplification of it in many ways a lot of the business of [TS]

  governing is done in the legislative branch that is where laws get written that's where a lot of stuff gets hashed out [TS]

  and the president is basically the thumbs up thumbs down guy on the preexisting laws from from the representatives. [TS]

  So I say. [TS]

  There should be much more media attention on those races but again for various reasons the media doesn't want to cover. [TS]

  I mean almost five hundred separate races. [TS]

  I mean that's a very local look very local news event [TS]

  and the other reason why it tends to get very little attention is you know this is a particular United States problem [TS]

  is especially over the last ten years the districts that people get elected in are so gerrymandered that the number of [TS]

  elections that are taking place in the midterms that are actually competitive is very very few. [TS]

  It's something like fifty seats maybe out of the almost five hundred are in any kind of contention [TS]

  and the whole rest of them are done deals right from the start that how do you main done deals in the way that the [TS]

  boundaries were drawn I thought on those lines. [TS]

  So that's what that what gerrymandering means basically is that you are packing like voters together so you have a [TS]

  district that will be. Eighty percent of one party or eighty percent the other party. [TS]

  And so there is just no chance of the opposing party ever getting elected [TS]

  and the way it works is that in most states California is a notable exception [TS]

  but in most states it is the politicians themselves who get to decide where do those boundaries go. [TS]

  Even opposing politicians have an incentive when does and [TS]

  when designing the boarders to collude with each other to make sure they both have very safe seats [TS]

  and so that's another reason why. [TS]

  Yes even though the mid-term election should be incredibly important actually for the vast majority of Americans [TS]

  they're almost certainly in a district where their vote doesn't matter at all because there is no chance of changing [TS]

  who the elected representative is it's only a very small number of districts that there is any chance of it going one [TS]

  way or the other. [TS]

  So there are many problems with the American electoral system this is a very frustrating very frustrating system. [TS]

  I guess the question I have about the gerrymandering then is how do you how do you actually end up with states that [TS]

  affect on tests like how the head of the UN rigged ones even come into existence. [TS]

  It seems like things are so set up for that. [TS]

  The collusion this this is an excellent chance to plug my own gerrymandering video the answer to the question is is [TS]

  basically here the imagine that that that you know you have the two opposing parties they are arranging the districts [TS]

  together and what what you want to do when you're drawing the boundaries is make sure that you have safe seats. [TS]

  So it's usually like fifty five forty five split is safe enough that you can be pretty sure the election's never going [TS]

  to go the other way. Yes Are you are you are arranging districts that have a surplus of voters. [TS]

  But what can very much happen is if you have say five five districts in a state to create you can make for very safe [TS]

  districts. [TS]

  But it just so happens that because of the number of people in the state and [TS]

  and how you have had to pack those other districts with voters that you want you basically end up by accident with one [TS]

  last district that you can't manipulate in any way that is a side effect of having already arranged districts the way [TS]

  that you want. Now those sounds very mathematical. [TS]

  This is one reason why I can completely geek out about over the abstract of politics because it is very much a question [TS]

  about math and the so the particulars of politics I have very little interest in. [TS]

  But the [TS]

  but the abstract nature I think is is fascinating because it really is a quote It is really one of these places where [TS]

  mathematics intersects with normal people's lives and it sort of affects these very grand scales that at that. [TS]

  The way you set up the voting system is it is a mass side effect so I refuse to believe that all these videos that [TS]

  you've made about Election Systems and politics and voting [TS]

  and things like that have been driven by your geeky interest in mathematics because you're so passionate about it [TS]

  and like it's your life. This seems to be things you think are rotten things that you think are wrong. [TS]

  That kind of while you while your videos are very factual back one of the series is quite underpinned by some some sort [TS]

  of feeling of righteousness and I don't believe that's just mathematical. I don't understand. [TS]

  Well I don't know I guess why you make all these videos what's driving it what's what's caused this huge interest in [TS]

  politics. I enjoy them and. But I was wondering if you have ever expanded on a or if you would. [TS]

  I'm I'm I'm almost not quite sure what you're asking. Why do you make of these videos. Why do you make them. [TS]

  This is honestly one of those cases where I am making videos for me with these election videos. [TS]

  So again with my very accidental You Tube career [TS]

  when I made the very first video which was about why the voting system that most people use which is called First Past [TS]

  the Post or plurality depending on where you are is a terrible voting system [TS]

  and the alternative vote is a much better system though not a perfect system. [TS]

  If it was because I was just incredibly obsessed with the referendum that was taking place in the U.K. [TS]

  About the voting systems and I had never really thought about it before [TS]

  and I got very interested in the mathematics of it [TS]

  and I ended up having lots of interesting conversations with co-workers about how to do this [TS]

  and I just really like the topic and I basically ran out of physical humans in my life to talk to this about [TS]

  and so well I still want to think about this. [TS]

  And so I made that video as a as a way to kind of get this out of my head. [TS]

  Those first two videos and then since then I have become more interested in electoral systems and their mathematic. [TS]

  And advantages and disadvantages of different systems. [TS]

  So it is it is really for myself because I am under under no illusion that the United States is going to switch over to [TS]

  something like single transferrable vote that to me is a shockingly low probability event. [TS]

  So the video is not an advocacy video in that way it's just I am really interested in this [TS]

  and so I'm making these videos as a as a outcropping of that interest so you don't you're not carrying the sort of [TS]

  burning torch for the people who you feel are underrepresented because of an unfair voting system it's not like it's [TS]

  not something you're particularly passionate about. [TS]

  In that kind of justice sense it's more just you know isn't this isn't this really interesting these different [TS]

  mathematical models that can be made and the merits and problems with age. [TS]

  Well I don't know I mean even I do you get this is one the topic that you kind of get really riled up about and. [TS]

  I do feel a certain kind of injustice towards it and particularly with the United States. [TS]

  I swear the United States' electoral system just says the whole thing local elections all the way up to the [TS]

  presidential election. [TS]

  It's like at every possible decision someone could have made about Oshie we do this or we do that. [TS]

  They chose the worst option. [TS]

  Every time there is no country that is a democracy that has picked all of the wrong choices the choices that you can [TS]

  demonstrate mathematically are the wrong choice every time. And so the U.K. [TS]

  Government and the US government are in some ways very similar but the U.K. [TS]

  One isn't as frustrating because there are some of these choices where you know the U.K. [TS]

  They get in the right direction where the U.S. Said no we're going to keep zagging in the wrong direction. [TS]

  And so the U.S. In particular has a lot of problems that kind of that feed on themselves that make the pre-exist. [TS]

  Any problems even worse and so I do feel a kind of a sense of of fury and injustice about that [TS]

  and you know in very many ways if I look at the U.S. [TS]

  And like it's hard to take a lot of the politics even seriously [TS]

  when the whole system that creates it is just is just so broken. [TS]

  I mean it's a bit like it's a bit like in when I made the humans need not apply video [TS]

  and you were talking about you know other problems that I might be concerned about in the world and I said oh no [TS]

  but this is this is the biggest problem that affects all of the other problems [TS]

  and I feel a similar way about the electoral system in the U.S. In particular is it's like. [TS]

  If you're not having a conversation about the system of the U.S. [TS]

  Government you're not having a meaningful conversation because it is so broken at that level that it's almost hard to [TS]

  take the higher level stuff very seriously because it's just it is brought about in a quite terrible way so I knew you [TS]

  wouldn't have any sympathy for the school of thought that would say well what does it matter anyway. [TS]

  Because whichever party you get it's pretty much the same. [TS]

  Well it's almost like you know there are powers beyond them anyway that control the direction things head. [TS]

  I do have I do have some. [TS]

  This is one of these cases where I do have some sympathy for that that there are there are powers beyond the power the [TS]

  direct politics. [TS]

  I don't know if I just this thing is something I happen to just watch a series which ended sadly too soon [TS]

  but it is called a boss with Kelsey Grammer. Have you seen this. [TS]

  No I don't know I really like it it was a political drama it was only on for two seasons it ended far too soon. [TS]

  They want to show that I watch primarily because kill Hammer is just amazing in this role as the mayor of Chicago [TS]

  and he gets I am so used to him as Frasier and he's just. [TS]

  Completely different in this role and as it does a really great job. [TS]

  But there's a kind of theme throughout that show where the financier is behind the politics of people funding campaigns [TS]

  have a little bit of an unofficial slogan which is change on the outside continuity on the inside meaning that they [TS]

  know they're very happy to have new political faces come on the scene as long as the internals are still operating the [TS]

  way that they always have and this is kind of a fainter Even Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister. Yeah I do. [TS]

  I do want to watch that. [TS]

  So I had knowledge that there is an element of that in the real world that the people financing elections are in some [TS]

  ways much more important than the elections themselves and then this is again one of the ways in which the U.S. [TS]

  Is particularly broken in the way that it deals with money and politics but I'll also just say that [TS]

  when people of the two parties are the same you get two parties that are the same as a result of the system that you [TS]

  are using to vote and so the plurality system used in the U.S. Where you get one vote for your favorite candidate. [TS]

  If you can you can work out the math of that [TS]

  and the correct optimal solution to that voting system is to have two parties that are actually very much the same that [TS]

  are appealing to the extremes in opposite directions. That is the optimal mathematical solution. [TS]

  And so the problem is not over these two parties the same the problem is you are using a voting system [TS]

  and the answer to that is two very centrist parties that are trying to pretend that they are appealing to two more of [TS]

  the extremes whereas if you have a different system you can have a much more diverse choice of people to actually vote [TS]

  for. [TS]

  But you're not going to have that under First Past the Post so that's why I view it as this is the fundamental problem. [TS]

  The like O. The parties are the same is a byproduct of the fundamental problem. [TS]

  Unless you think it's good to have to develop you know a life that's not a question maybe that maybe that's a good [TS]

  system to have. Yes And this is part of why I don't like it is. [TS]

  Well this this is exactly why I kind of love the whole the whole question about voting systems [TS]

  and which one do you want [TS]

  and which one do you not want because while you can say something like the solution to plurality voting is two centrist [TS]

  parties ultimately a human has to make a judgment. Is that a good thing or is that not a good thing. [TS]

  Mass can tell you is that good or is that not. [TS]

  It can just tell you what is the optimal strategy given a certain set of circumstances [TS]

  and so that's why I think it is kind of fascinating [TS]

  and whenever I put out one of these videos you all the election nerd come out [TS]

  and it is huge arguments about one system [TS]

  or the other in the comments people are trying to argue with math things that fundamentally come down to subjective [TS]

  opinions and so you can have a question like should an electoral system have local representatives. [TS]

  There's no there's no math answer to that. [TS]

  That's a question about how do you how do you feel the government should be set up. [TS]

  Should you have local representatives or should you not have local representatives. Math can tell you that. [TS]

  But people do like to try to argue with math about which system is better than the others [TS]

  but you can demonstrate with math pretty pretty conclusively that. [TS]

  A plurality voting First Past the Post voting is the absolute worst of all possible voting systems that you can have it [TS]

  is just terrible but the thing I do want to ask your opinion on is compulsory voting. [TS]

  Should voting be compulsory because in Australia voting is compulsory. [TS]

  When I say compulsory you have to turn up to the election both and cross your name off the list. [TS]

  Right you don't have to live up to but you have to be there right. [TS]

  Yes I would tend [TS]

  and I guess they figure if you're a ten you probably thought you could spoil your paper only would have it do whatever [TS]

  you want but it is compulsory and you get free. If you don't do it. [TS]

  I don't actually know anyone who's ever been fined I don't know how vigorously pursuing the offenders [TS]

  but it's compulsory when I moved to the US When I moved to the U.K. [TS]

  The idea of sort of this apathy about the election where people be saying are you going to vote are you going to turn [TS]

  out. Are you even going to bother. [TS]

  It was like a whole new novelty to me the idea that I could be so apathetic that I could just go about my business all [TS]

  day and not even have to find my way to or at least to an election polling so it was very new. [TS]

  I've become accustomed to it now and you get people who really vigorously saying we must vote it's really important [TS]

  and I obviously are saying the similar attitude in the US Come on guys are going to get off our backsides [TS]

  and turn it up [TS]

  and to an Australian to the wood to the Australian in May That was a complete That's a completely foreign debate like [TS]

  that there is no debate about apathy at least about voting whether you care enough about the right issues is another [TS]

  debate. [TS]

  So it's interesting that that and everyone says I think it's crazy that voting could be compulsory in Australia [TS]

  but it certainly takes that issue away. So you lived under both systems What do you think. [TS]

  When I first moved to the U.K. [TS]

  I thought compulsory voting was a good thing because this whole debate about apathy I thought we were crazy guys if you [TS]

  just use our system. [TS]

  No one's apathetic and you know [TS]

  and I understand the whole debate that as well that well you know you can't complain about who you got in Australia [TS]

  because you all turned up on Election Day You know everyone had their say [TS]

  but over the years I guess I've softened a bit in lots of things in life and [TS]

  and I now have this constant thought that well OK well you know is is the ultimate freedom the freedom to not even turn [TS]

  up on Election Day is that is that you know is that part of democracy that right to the right to not care [TS]

  and the right to. OK and still complain about the government. [TS]

  So I think over time now that I've become a bit older and wiser and a bit more understanding of everything [TS]

  and you know you know you know understanding of all arguments I can appreciate I guess what I'm saying is I connect [TS]

  and appreciate both arguments. [TS]

  So I've gone from thinking compulsory voting was a good thing to not knowing what do you think. [TS]

  Well I was asking your opinion because this is probably one of the questions I get asked the most from people because [TS]

  I'm really in terms of if somebody is going to know about different voting systems they most likely know about [TS]

  compulsory voting in Australia so I get asked this a lot and. I I think it's funny because I can never decide. [TS]

  I go back and forth on this issue all the time. [TS]

  And there there isn't any mathematical answer to this this is again a kind of subjective question. [TS]

  Yeah and I think it is one of the more interesting questions because I just don't know. [TS]

  I don't I don't pick the team in this one [TS]

  but present me right now who Future Me might disagree with currently leans more towards the that compulsory voting is a [TS]

  good idea and it's partly because of my experience in the United States with the push to get people to the polls [TS]

  and I think that that encourages a certain kind of of of [TS]

  and encourages scare mongering tactics to get people to the polls on the reverse side of scare mongering. [TS]

  I don't know if this exact word but say hope mongering which is the reverse of of. [TS]

  Hey everybody we're going to set expectations so unreasonably high that you have to go and. [TS]

  Note and you know your vote really matters which doesn't but your vote really matters [TS]

  and you need to go to the polls because aren't we great and we're going to change the world. [TS]

  Both of those things I think are kind of in some ways a bit of a dis honest representation of what should be a [TS]

  relatively Mundine thing which if you make voting compulsory that look you know is going to go the polls [TS]

  and you have some decisions to make and you get to tick some boxes and then you go home [TS]

  and I think it just it pushes the thing in these two extremes of oh we're going to oversell voting because you can [TS]

  change everything about the way the world works [TS]

  or we're going to scare you about oh if you don't go all of these terrible things would happen. [TS]

  So I don't like that I think it distracts from. [TS]

  Potentially the actual issues that that the voting is about [TS]

  and you know I think that I don't like so much as you often see these get out the vote campaigns in the U.S. [TS]

  and To me they are often deeply intrinsically cynical because they are about getting out a particular vote that they're [TS]

  not really interested in everybody voting. [TS]

  They're interested in you know the people that they has in their demographic voting. [TS]

  So if someone has a particular party they want to win. [TS]

  I've got some data that suggests the lack of voters is hurting them. [TS]

  Yes that's when they start to get out to vote campaign. [TS]

  That's exactly right neutral but it's not neutral it's not neutral. [TS]

  And in the last election I read up on a bunch of just again people sort of like the humans you know video again people [TS]

  just have no idea of the kind of working technology now. [TS]

  A similar thing is people have no idea the kind of big data demographic computer number crunching information that is [TS]

  available to the political parties now. [TS]

  Like they they can know exactly who and where they need to approach and how many flyers to send to to get the vote. [TS]

  In the way that they want to have it [TS]

  and narrow it down to very exact addresses so you get out the vote campaign is actually only hitting one out of every [TS]

  three houses on the block [TS]

  and again obviously you're going to promote your own self interest you know if you have some audience that may be [TS]

  listening to you so go go vote [TS]

  but I just I don't know something about the things that sometimes strike me as intrinsically cynical would you still be [TS]

  doing this get out the vote campaign if you knew that the result would be against your own interests No of course you [TS]

  wouldn't. [TS]

  So I do think compulsory voting takes that off the tables and I don't want to get into the details [TS]

  but everything that I have just said now is ten times worse in primary elections in the United States which if you [TS]

  think nobody votes in the midterms really nobody votes in the primaries and I think the primaries are a lot [TS]

  and I mean I know what they are and how they work. I think there are a crazy thing. [TS]

  Anyway yeah I know that they are every problem that you can think about elections is ten times worse a primary Nowra [TS]

  Well I haven't asked too much of a single transferrable vote the people should watch a video and find out about oh. [TS]

  Can I Just before I forget before I forget I have to mention that we hear so member how last time we had a we're making [TS]

  a chart about who was right and who was wrong with various bets with your claim. Do you remember. [TS]

  So I have I have two nothing on the grave says Brady who was right charge. [TS]

  I thought I was I was going to I want to bring up I want to get a case where I have lost something. [TS]

  Sadly not with you I lost a bet with Derek about how the Australian single transferrable vote system works [TS]

  and I cannot remember it we were in person I don't know where this was single transferrable vote if you are going to [TS]

  sue people have watched the video [TS]

  but just very briefly the only thing you need to know is that you as a citizen go into the voting booth [TS]

  and you rank your candidates in order one two three four five of your preference and asst. [TS]

  If I knew that Australia happens to do a couple of things that are kind of not the best way to set up a single [TS]

  transferrable vote system. [TS]

  And so a couple of elections ago there was there was one election in particular where there were something like fifty [TS]

  candidates running and Derek was telling me that single transferrable vote was no good [TS]

  and his reason was that you have a ballot with fifty candidates and you have to rank everybody from one to fifty. [TS]

  Which of course is just wildly beyond what you can expect a normal person to do. [TS]

  I mean even if the people I know in my life if you if you gave me a list of fifty people that I personally know [TS]

  and asked me to rank them from one to fifty in order of my favorite to my least favorite That would be pretty hard [TS]

  right. Like you can do maybe the top ten and you can do maybe the bottom ten but. [TS]

  The middle third of the blue oh yeah I like him a little better than or I don't. [TS]

  Sometimes he gets annoying but her laugh is terrible right you just you can't you can't do that reasonably so. [TS]

  Anyway I was telling Derrick no when single transferrable vote you can rank as far as you care to [TS]

  and then you can stop you don't have to write in the morning. [TS]

  And Eric Eric said do you want to bet on it and I said yes and we shook on it. And sure enough Derek Derek was correct. [TS]

  That's one above the law no all below the line. [TS]

  Yes That's you do you have to rank every candidate if you want to pick them individually if you don't want to do what [TS]

  you've just referred to there which is the above the line vote which is basically saying I am delegating my voting [TS]

  power to this particular party to make the decisions for me so I did lose I did lose a bet there. [TS]

  My score chart on the gray versus Derek chart is you know taking a point because I knew that [TS]

  but I didn't bet you don't get a point for that you know when he got it right [TS]

  but this is like this is like your theoretical friend who could have scored a point against you had you made a bet we [TS]

  never. Made a bet you don't get a point you don't get to do. [TS]

  Scooping on Derek's point as well there gets a point not you. [TS]

  I'm sorry so I thought that was where you saw a Nobel laureates which is nominees [TS]

  but we also didn't make a bet they're making a bet. [TS]

  Everybody knows making a bet is a different thing this is not because there are no we didn't pay on either of those [TS]

  things I gave you a point I just gave you points. [TS]

  We didn't bear on the seven for seven thing we just had different opinion that's entirely true [TS]

  but you voluntarily turned over two points to me that's not my fault not my fault that you scored two. [TS]