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H.I. #23: Call of the Postbox

 

  I'd like to turn the camera off first they can feel like a gentleman. [TS]

  Well I know how I'm doing because you were looking at me on video a second ago and you told me I look dreadful [TS]

  when you say I had. You look terrible. [TS]

  I'm not going to lie you really really look you really look awful what's going on man. [TS]

  Well as you know I am back in California in Berkeley and I'm going to go I think that San Francisco yet [TS]

  but I am in the Mathematical Sciences Research Institute which is the spiritual home of number four [TS]

  and I'm hanging out with or some mathematicians but more importantly the World Series is on at the moment. [TS]

  Oh this is a this is a baseball event Gray I know in baseball I grew up in York. I know I know what it is. [TS]

  So the three games that are being played in San Francisco the middle three that's where the Giants are a home our as we [TS]

  record the third and final of those three. [TS]

  So the fifth game of the World Series is being played tonight in San Francisco [TS]

  and I have purchased a ticket over the last couple of not so I've had reason to be in San Francisco both not so I've [TS]

  seen the stadium all the top and so the excitement of the city [TS]

  and I felt I felt bad to the point where I was actually going to go [TS]

  and just stand outside the stadium just so I could say I was near. That would be really sad. Yeah. [TS]

  Just moping around kicking the ground with your foot listening to everybody on the inside having a great time at your [TS]

  plan. [TS]

  Well he kind of was actually a member we did a podcast not long ago where I talked about being in Bangkok [TS]

  when they had that big flick Taylor on the river. [TS]

  I guess I didn't I didn't go and say it was a mistake [TS]

  and you learned an important life lesson I learned an important lesson and I have. [TS]

  I've decided to not make that mistake this time because after today although I speak sang always in San Francisco [TS]

  during the World Series but I didn't. So I said no that's not going to happen. So I am going to go. [TS]

  Except there is a problem that is I need to print my ticket out because I've bought online [TS]

  and the institute's printed out at the moment so it could be a cruel falling at the final hurdle. [TS]

  But I'm sure also that I hope you enjoy it. [TS]

  Yeah I said why I'm a little bit excited about it well I was excited about it. [TS]

  I think I'm going to go to the game and take a selfie and say look here I am at the World Series [TS]

  but now you told me how terrible I look I don't feel bad now. [TS]

  Well I don't want to do it anymore I just want to crawl under a rock and put on a face mask [TS]

  and it will moisturize cucumbers over your eyes is that the idea. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  but you don't have to take a selfie there you can just take a picture at the World Series as as your memory shot [TS]

  but do you know what to watch [TS]

  when you're in Maine there are actually some professional photographers at the game who will probably take better [TS]

  pictures of the stadium the ME So if I was going to take a picture of the stadium with my i Phone like why would I [TS]

  bother doing that. I just I could just download a really good picture. [TS]

  The whole idea is to have my own perspective on it and what can I add to it other than to say look it's me. [TS]

  I was there you know they didn't they didn't go all the way to the moon [TS]

  and not take a picture of any astronaut on the moon because we're going to show the astronaut was there. [TS]

  How was it how was it on the moon Mr Armstrong and Aldrin a good look at all these pictures we took. [TS]

  Oh do you take any pictures of yourselves [TS]

  or not I know that would be self-indulgent if we didn't do that we just took some pictures of rocks and sand. [TS]

  We didn't want to spoil the same area with like showing that humans with their I love I love how your go to analogy is [TS]

  very often the Apollo space program or whatever we're talking about anything. [TS]

  It comes back to some kind of Apollo space program metaphor pretty much the same you going out to a baseball game [TS]

  and taking a picture of yourself just like astronauts on the moon taking a picture of themselves is the same thing at [TS]

  the same scale do you know there is no proper photograph of Neil Armstrong on the moon there is one almost sort of [TS]

  accidental one that was taken incidentally a while. [TS]

  Buzz Aldrin was photographing something else and runs off to the side but there's no posed picture [TS]

  or just normal picture of Neil Armstrong on the moon like still photo obviously is video footage and stuff [TS]

  but they just they didn't take one but the classic one from Apollo eleven is of Buzz Aldrin. [TS]

  All they do is you know Armstrong reflected in his visor that there's no there's no proper picture of Armstrong on the [TS]

  moon doing the Moon Walk there is a nice picture of him in the module there in that little space outfit you can't tell [TS]

  who's who anyway it doesn't matter if you know it could be anybody in those suits you know that's true [TS]

  or they're doing sums. [TS]

  Sometimes in the light in their missions [TS]

  when they didn't have the gold reflecting thing down all the time you see their faces a bit more [TS]

  but you're right you don't it is hard to see their faces. [TS]

  That's why in the later Apollo missions they started putting a red stripe on the helmet of the commander so you could [TS]

  even tell who it was because when they were both wearing the same white suits it was hard to even tell who it was. [TS]

  So anyway I'm going to the baseball and I'm fifty fifty or so feet now. [TS]

  If you do a selfie I want you to put a red stripe on your face before you can tell it's me. [TS]

  Remember one other thing that's been new to me on this U.S. Trip and I mean obviously up into the U.S. [TS]

  Before numerous times [TS]

  and as you are aware they drive on the other side of the road here they drive on the wrong side of the road. [TS]

  As an Australian and English person that I can be literal right side of the road. [TS]

  Yes the literal right side to the actual incorrect side this is never really posed much of a problem before you're [TS]

  somewhere like New York there is cars all the time. It never causes a problem. [TS]

  On this trip for the first time is causing me a problem. [TS]

  I'm staying up in the hills this time kind of I don't know what you call it like a sort of a little quiet suburban tree [TS]

  area very very quiet very nice and I'm walking to work each day which is like a half hour walk. [TS]

  But I'm walking through these kind of hilly trees straight with hardly any. Yes and no. [TS]

  I'll call them sidewalks because I'm in America. No footpaths. [TS]

  Some having to walk on the road all the time and there's not a lot of us. [TS]

  And when you're not constantly saying CA's [TS]

  and you have to walk on the road all the time around like all these blind corners and bends. [TS]

  Suddenly I am always disoriented about where I should be walking and will cars coming from behind me [TS]

  or in front of me and around the corner and for the first time I feel like I'm in peril on the roads all the time [TS]

  and I'm always making stupid decisions. [TS]

  I find it ironic when this hardly any because that's what I mean more danger than [TS]

  when I'm in a big city where there's just cars everywhere. That sounds exactly right to me. [TS]

  It's when when danger is infrequent that you get lazy as opposed to [TS]

  when danger is omni present you are much more on your guard. So it makes total sense that it's it's much more deadly. [TS]

  It's also more dangerous because everyone drives a Prius and they're like silent assassins. [TS]

  I think you have a podcast going and I come up on you don't even know they're there. [TS]

  All these all these hippies in their Prius has to especially especially if you are going around those curves to the [TS]

  Prius can't kick into high gear [TS]

  and use its actual gasoline motor if it's on the electric motor Yeah that is definitely silent silent driving I used to [TS]

  drive a Prius and I was always remarkable about how quiet they are like those who used to drive a Prius. [TS]

  Yeah I drove a Prius cross-country twice like hired Oh did you own one it was it was actually it was my parent's car [TS]

  that I was driving I don't really have a car in the States I mean this was this is years and years ago [TS]

  but I drove the car so much it honestly felt like it was my car. Hoops. [TS]

  Sorry Gray's parents in my disparaging comment about hippie Prius owners they won't mind my parents are not hippies. [TS]

  What's that with your I.Q. [TS]

  Well we got much to follow up from last time what's what we do have we don't have we have going to follow up the first [TS]

  thing I want to say is I want to apologize because I did cut one of your boring stories from the last pod cast we were [TS]

  together I honestly honestly right now I can't even. [TS]

  Remember what the heck it was that I cut [TS]

  but the only thing I feel bad about this was in the middle of it you mention the existence of your new Brady sub Reddit [TS]

  and so I just wanted to bring it up because I had I didn't I didn't want to cut that I got sorry for that one tiny bit [TS]

  of self promotion but I was in the middle of a bunch of nonsense or something I don't remember exactly [TS]

  but so I did want to do start out strong by giving you an opportunity to tell the good people that there is a place now [TS]

  on the Reddit for your discussions of it all your channels is it going to be for everything. [TS]

  Nearly every video gets put there because I sort of figure there isn't really one place to sort of follow where much of [TS]

  the video is you know because I've because of all these different Twitter channels in different Facebook pages [TS]

  and You Tube channels it does become a bit silent so there is sort of one place now which is just Brady Haran on as as [TS]

  a sub read it. [TS]

  That's great that's turned that well for me so instead of being sort of buried in the middle of a boring story at the [TS]

  end of a podcast on i get a big a big plug right at the run stop it's practically the lead [TS]

  when you say like slash slash. Really say it's slash Brady Haran Paypal and they were going to go there. [TS]

  Subscribe to the suburbs and participate in conversations about numerous videos. [TS]

  Actually how many how many times a day do you post that twice a day. [TS]

  Friday night I only put one thing on there a day so if I have like two two videos a day for some reason I tend to put [TS]

  the other one on like a day [TS]

  or so later because I don't want to edit out now I don't want to I don't want to annoy people anymore than I already do. [TS]

  So there you go you know I promise I will get it this time [TS]

  but I think you will I don't like the way the conversations get much hurt in the You Tube ones so that we will have a [TS]

  talk about more talking about Reddit comment threads one day because I know it's a question how do you know it's a [TS]

  topic of I've been putting off for forever. [TS]

  Mainly because I never have time to prepare all the prepared topic that they go will be the later [TS]

  and then of course that means we know. [TS]

  Over do them but yeah I think that for those first three and then after that it was all downhill. [TS]

  The next thing I want to bring up was something [TS]

  or a few shows ago so this is this is now ancient followup I think this was originally in our monkey Copyright one [TS]

  but we got into a little bit of a disagreement over how many people in America die from electrocution in their [TS]

  bathrooms. Yes because it was the genesis of this conversation was that in the U.K. [TS]

  To my eternal frustration you don't have real electrical outlets in the bathroom you have these wimpy shaver outlets [TS]

  that's nothing. [TS]

  Nothing is compatible with you can't can't really use them very well [TS]

  but that would mean things like if you want to have a hairdryer or a stereo or whatever in your bathroom. [TS]

  You can't because there's no place to plug it in or place that is full of water. As I also know it has. [TS]

  Yes Yes The place is full of water and steam and all that stuff right. [TS]

  That's your position was that there must be way more people dying in America because America allow such nonsense [TS]

  and we didn't know we were just kind of speculating [TS]

  and I figured that has to be basically nobody dies from electrocution. [TS]

  And yes someone sent in some numbers from receiving a political year. I have a suspicion about who was right on this. [TS]

  Well you know I'm bringing it out. Never went the other way. [TS]

  This is just we don't need to talk about it on my computer I think I'll be happy to know is in a different location. [TS]

  I'm in my office as opposed to my house so it is not as easy for me now to browse the Internet. [TS]

  My laptop is in a slightly awkward position so I think I will be listening to you with one hundred percent intensity so [TS]

  that when I have to so anyway there's just some numbers from the US where was it. [TS]

  Oh shoot I just took a screenshot of it but it was it was a federal agency. [TS]

  They enforce they don't break it down by rooms in a house [TS]

  but their estimate was that about fifty people a year in the United States die from. Electrical related injuries. [TS]

  Well that's fifty more than they should cry It is fifty more than they should. [TS]

  But it is much much lower than I would have guessed. [TS]

  However the means of the situation and yes they run [TS]

  but basically this is a you can round this off to zero in a population of more than three hundred million people that [TS]

  your chance of dying from electrocution is basically zero. [TS]

  So even if we pretended that all of those happened in the bathroom it's just in this is this falls under the category [TS]

  of completely freak accident that to the person whose brother died by electrocution in the bathroom. [TS]

  Well it would still be a freak accident but it would be an insensitive thing to say to that person [TS]

  but as you know that doesn't change the reality of the situation it is now. [TS]

  You Americans obviously know how to handle your electricity. [TS]

  I'm sure death by wild animal is approaching that number if we add up all the the grizzly bear [TS]

  and alley where you should have wild animals in the bathroom although that is entirely true [TS]

  but yes I guess it is basically is basically nothing new in that one they do have just a couple of little interesting [TS]

  points here saying that the. [TS]

  The age was relevant if you are forty to sixty years old you are twice as likely to be one of those fifty people [TS]

  and if you are male you are six times as likely to be one of those people. So this to me sounds like a dead zone. [TS]

  I were talking about males who are forty to sixty. [TS]

  They're working on something [TS]

  and then of course at the bottom there it mentions that the most likely cause for the fatal electrocution is power [TS]

  tools or large appliances. So that is the cause of those fifty deaths a year. [TS]

  So anyway that's a follow up from several shows ago on that. It does beg the question why the U.K. [TS]

  Has introduced this kind of nanny state over protective You can't have an. Or city anywhere near your bathroom rule. [TS]

  Like was it just born of a couple of freak accidents and they got a big trick pony and the like. [TS]

  There's obviously a story here. Well I know that the U.K. [TS]

  Redid their electrical system after World War two They changed a whole bunch of the electrical codes at that point [TS]

  because the whole country had been bombed into oblivion [TS]

  and you know if we're going to rebuild everything let's redo the whole electrical cord [TS]

  and there are many many things that I like about U.K. [TS]

  Wiring system and how it works I think it is very interesting I used that to teach us as part of G.C.S.E. Physics. [TS]

  My guess is it's just one of those things [TS]

  when people are updating the code they say well why don't we just make it safer in the bathrooms it just sounds like a [TS]

  reasonable thing to do. And who's the guy who votes against safety. [TS]

  No one so I can easily see that being just almost an afterthought. [TS]

  And then it just it just becomes part of the electrical code. I'm sure somebody out there knows. [TS]

  But they score one on the grave versus Brady who's right. Chart I guess. [TS]

  Well you know what I'm going to give you another point. Oh oh boy I'm starting out strong. [TS]

  I'm giving you one for free here because for various reasons which might come up later on in the podcast you [TS]

  and I I think it was you [TS]

  and I were having a discussion recently about how you start a seven four seven plane with that was us that was us. [TS]

  Yeah because they were because I was a seven support if I'm playing next to us [TS]

  and we were like you know I wonder if someone could just jump in and take off [TS]

  and steal a plane if it was you know if I had fuel [TS]

  and your position I think was pretty much you reckon you probably could just get in and start her up and go. [TS]

  Here's what the question was Is there any additional security in the inside of the cockpit to prevent someone who just [TS]

  walks in there from taking off with the plane. [TS]

  Yeah like is there a Katie because they really are a secret code [TS]

  or something a secret handshake with the airplane maybe I don't know. [TS]

  My position was no that I was going to guess that that the entire security is based on the. [TS]

  Back at seven four sevens are huge [TS]

  and in inconvenient locations so you don't need a key as additional protection because the seven four seven in an [TS]

  airport is its own kind of protection. [TS]

  Whereas my position was perhaps reinforced by the post nine eleven environment where it has been shown that terrorists [TS]

  are willing to learn how to fly planes and use them as weapons. [TS]

  I thought perhaps maybe they had introduced some kind of at least like keypad code [TS]

  or something to start the navigation system or something [TS]

  and I did mention to you that my friend was a seven four seven pilot you had a very ofay with the controls of a jumbo [TS]

  jet. So I did happen to ask him the other day and you are right. [TS]

  Pleae he said as little as you can probably read a checklist you can easily stop a seven four seven to the point where [TS]

  you could then fly down the runway [TS]

  and take off he said I think he said it would take two turns of a switch to get the engines running to enable to you [TS]

  and and I am very surprised. [TS]

  I can imagine before sort of nine eleven how that would be the case [TS]

  but you know now that they've put all these you know Fort Knox style doors on the cockpits [TS]

  and all the sort of things our thought the least thing they would do would be to put like a pin code on the on the star [TS]

  pad of the plane or something and I'm not saying you need to have a set of keys [TS]

  or something because obviously you could lose case. [TS]

  And boy with that pilot be chagrined with that that I would never imagine him doing the pat down in his pocket. [TS]

  Yeah we had a case of the fly. [TS]

  I think that right that as long as as long as she's fueled up [TS]

  and ready to go so you're too new to Gray Well THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU GIVE ME THAT one and then the next. [TS]

  Oh tweeting tweeting I was having a look at my paper cut I think as my paper was you were commenting about people live [TS]

  tweeting to you for your people people who live to a T.V. [TS]

  Like you know to some show I plan to watch later and someone did make the point and I think this is. [TS]

  I think maybe this is one of what we were grappling with but didn't say out loud. [TS]

  Maybe the rule of thumb should be you can only live tweet T.V. If the T.V. Itself is live. [TS]

  So if what you're watching is a live event being broadcast live then it's OK to be tweeting. [TS]

  If the event you're watching is recorded in any way then you shouldn't be live tweeting it. [TS]

  I think that's not a bad rule of thumb. [TS]

  So the first time that Breaking Bad is broadcasting that does not count as live because it's not literally live it has [TS]

  been recorded. [TS]

  Exactly where is if by some amazing thing they decided all for the finale of Breaking Bad That's like acted out live [TS]

  and transmit live well actually the thing that popped right into my head was thirty Rock did actually live episode. [TS]

  Of their sitcom on T.V. [TS]

  and So that would be the example that maybe breaks the rule here of can you live tweet that thirty Rock episodes [TS]

  and they actually like crazy people did it live and I can't even even watch that show [TS]

  when it's been recorded because I'm so anxious for them knowing that it was done on the West Wing election debate [TS]

  between Matt Santos [TS]

  and uneven ik I think was live done live as well before that I what I happened to watch a few days ago because I've [TS]

  just been really watching the final series of The West Wing I think that was done live as well [TS]

  and it's so interesting because you know you know Aaron Sorkin dialogue is like you know west window I look so amazing [TS]

  and snappy and to see say the actors even stumbling a little bit was it was amazing. [TS]

  I think that was that was yeah I'm pretty sure that was a lot of people will tell us. [TS]

  Anyway a good rule of thumb I'm sure we can find little exceptions like thirty Rock [TS]

  but I think that's a good rule of thumb I greet thing is if the thing is happening life like the humans are doing it [TS]

  live then you write and then you can tweet it. I think I agree that is a very good rule of thumb. [TS]

  Thank you to whoever in the suburb it suggested that another thing we discussed was. The call of the void. [TS]

  I hadn't I hadn't heard it called that before but you talked about that feeling [TS]

  when you're standing on like a ship at night and you think I could just jump off the ship into the water [TS]

  and no one would ever know. [TS]

  Yes I usually hear it in terms of you're standing on top of a cliff [TS]

  and you're feeling like I could just leap that is the call of the void. [TS]

  I thought of another time because try to start after the pod cast I had another experience where I experienced a [TS]

  similar emotion and I just wanted to bring it up to see whether or not you have to have that feeling [TS]

  and the other time I feel something that is comparable is posting a letter. [TS]

  You know there's that moment where you put the letter into the mail box and once it goes in you tend to get that back. [TS]

  Like it's like you know I have a uterus right did I put the right thing and I don't have like. [TS]

  And is there as that final seconds away ahold of me on what I would tell you to going to post box. Shall I let it go. [TS]

  Then when you finally let it go. I was a weird moment of terror that OK I'm done now. [TS]

  If I've written something wrong in that letter I should've sent it [TS]

  or I got the address wrong so I think those little red pill or post boxes in the U.K. [TS]

  Have their very own code of the void is the call of the mailbox. [TS]

  Yeah but if it's a reverse call of the void because it's a this cannot be undone. [TS]

  Feeling But that's that's the feeling that's kind of the cold of void thing too it's like if I jump off the ship I [TS]

  can't I can't jump I can jump back on. [TS]

  There's like a permanent there's a permanence to it there's a if I do it that's it. If I do it that's it. [TS]

  I get that with posting a letter once I've done it that's it. Once I've done it much Norm it's gone. [TS]

  Only laughing because I agree with you one hundred percent and this is just [TS]

  but this feels like such a tiny call of the void [TS]

  or it's it's called a void scaled down to such a Mundine level as to be almost laughable. [TS]

  Yet I feel the same way every time. [TS]

  And you might think I'm not a person who mails very many letters but one of my simple perks is sending out postcards [TS]

  and every time every time I drop a bundle of postcards into a red post box by my office. [TS]

  I feel that exact same feeling of oh god did I write all those things out correctly did I mess it up on my spreadsheet [TS]

  I get the lines wrong [TS]

  and I wrote the wrong thing to absolutely everybody all these postcards going to the wrong places [TS]

  and I do I do have that that that feeling [TS]

  and now I will not ever be able to disassociate that from leaping off a cliff as well this is because I have a void so [TS]

  I have to thank you for that. Because the call of the Facebook. Yeah. [TS]

  I'm just imagining a little voice inside now going hey have you got a scout. [TS]

  I still say I still say that's why there's something about it that to me is the reverse of the call of the void [TS]

  but it's the same it's the same feeling a million Haitians here it's a scary thing like you know it's like it's a [TS]

  vortex into which you cannot go [TS]

  and it's a point of no return it's an it's an event horizon for mio it is it is an event horizon from now on yes I [TS]

  definitely do pause for much longer than is necessary. [TS]

  Yeah I do that you can say I think of the last thing in the middle of I do with that with some of the automated deposit [TS]

  things at the bank as well. Oh I've never used one of them I don't use them. [TS]

  Those are scary because they are really big big bins almost that you can pull out [TS]

  and put in a whole bunch of deposit slips and the thing I worry about is that my bank [TS]

  when I pull open the automatic deposit drawer I am afraid of my glasses falling off my face [TS]

  and into this room where Gazans have never fallen off my face in any kind of normal situation [TS]

  but it's just a very big gaping maw is just waiting for me to drop important things into it. [TS]

  It's accidentally let go of the handle and it snapshot [TS]

  and then on their half blinds trying to explain to the bank people that I have my glasses are in there [TS]

  and I won't be able to get home unless they can get my glasses this is what I worry about this every time [TS]

  and so I actually even say it out loud. [TS]

  I often have one hand on or just touching my glasses [TS]

  but this is crazy right because that almost certainly increases the chances that my eyes are actually going to come off [TS]

  my face. [TS]

  But it's is it is exactly exact same feeling so that is another call of the void scenario this is the world is full of [TS]

  perils just normal guys like us and it really is to get like you know astronauts and firemen [TS]

  and stuff like that we've got a lot of mail imposed by the media [TS]

  and the pope had to do all those things from the exhaust of the dangers of mail boxes. I don't know I don't know. [TS]

  You've talked in the last podcast. [TS]

  At some length about where to store your wallet things and I know what's going on there. [TS]

  OK yes the end of the last show. [TS]

  If anybody made it past my first world complaining about my i Phone there was another whole section about me [TS]

  complaining about how I arrange things in my pocket which I'm sure was thrilling for people to listen to [TS]

  but I know people made it to that section because I ended up getting inundated with feedback about how other people [TS]

  want to solve my problems [TS]

  and there was a consistent theme to a whole bunch of the feedback that I thought is worth touching on. [TS]

  And so the problem was I have too many things in my pockets right that I don't know where to put my phone [TS]

  and my wallet and I have a pen and a stylus but I'm always carrying on me sir and your eggs [TS]

  and sort of put you ever tipping point now where yes it's just chaos is going to pay off anyway. [TS]

  I'm not I'm not going to dignify that. [TS]

  Just give me the faith back then was that the follow up what's the what's the latest with a consistent theme from [TS]

  people was pointing out the existence of two things one of which is combined styli [TS]

  and pence so you can get styli that have a style on one end and then [TS]

  when you flip it over it's a pen on the other hand [TS]

  and the second thing people pointed out was these i Phone cases that are also wallets [TS]

  and so people were sending me these every dual wallet i Phone case in the world I've seen people send an e-mail me [TS]

  and the same thing with every stylus stroke pen in the world people have sent to me as kind of a sort of nerdy Swiss I [TS]

  mean yeah sort of but [TS]

  but the reason I didn't bring this up is this to me is a perfect example of the kind of thing I see very often which is. [TS]

  A worst of both worlds solution where someone says oh hey you want to turn these two things into one thing. [TS]

  Well here's how I'm going to do I'm going to take the worst parts of both of them [TS]

  and make one thing out of them together and this is why [TS]

  when I obsess about reducing the number of things in my life you can imagine you very often come across worst of both [TS]

  worlds kind of problems. So in one of those case let's go give me an example there about how they have made them worse. [TS]

  But I've taken the worst elements and I don't choose one and explain well just for example the wallet. [TS]

  I Phone case now this is twice as cumbersome for getting anything out of my pocket twice as often so now if I'm getting [TS]

  out just my credit cards I also have to take my phone out at the same time or from getting my phone out. [TS]

  I have all of the bulk of my credit cards as well [TS]

  and also as one action that still just you stupid still want to go on living but it is twice the weight and also [TS]

  when you start talking about strong guy like I'm sure not strength issue you know that perfectly well it's just more [TS]

  awkward right. And then also with these things. [TS]

  The the wall it doesn't work very well as a wallet because you have to put a whole phone inside of it so you have to [TS]

  give up all of these other features that a wallet can possibly have. [TS]

  I spent for ever trying to find my latest while as you can imagine I might be very picky about the sort of thing you [TS]

  can imagine I spent years trying to find a wallet that would that would work for me [TS]

  and I finally found one in a very high I laugh at you for taking a long time to choose things that I agree choosing a [TS]

  ball is very difficult very difficult. It's so personal and you have particular needs of what you want. [TS]

  I finally found a company I like they're called Belle Roy [TS]

  and if anybody if anybody is like me if you're a picky person [TS]

  and trying to pick a wallet I highly recommend them they have a cute little Al a logo. I'm gonna look into that. [TS]

  I do I really recommend them. They are quite good. [TS]

  So the combined wallet i Phone cases I have seen are just terrible they're terrible at both things [TS]

  and then is the same thing with the stylus pen is I'm very picky about my pens. [TS]

  I'm very picky about my styli [TS]

  and now you're trying to find a device that matches both of my needs for these two things like the weight of the pen [TS]

  has to be just right [TS]

  but if you also have to stick a thousand now it's just terrible of both things so that is that is if you are a [TS]

  minimalist. [TS]

  The worst of both worlds is a kind of problem that you're going to come up against a lot where combining a thing is [TS]

  actually worse than just having the two separate individual items. [TS]

  So do you ever do you ever occasionally stumble over Jim That's the best of both worlds. [TS]

  Yeah you can you can definitely find Best of Both Worlds things but it's because life is eternally disappointing. [TS]

  Worst of both worlds is way more common than best of both worlds. [TS]

  I say you put in the follow up something also about my wallet [TS]

  and what's what's gone on the if you look at are you about to say something that does not cast me in a positive light. [TS]

  Well I'm sure we'll talk about later we met up recently and I did get a chance to see your wallet very briefly [TS]

  when you took it out. [TS]

  At one point [TS]

  and I have literally never seen a human being with a larger more stuffed wallet than yours I have quite a small wallet [TS]

  which is what looks I stuffed because I know I am a big believer in having a small wallet [TS]

  and because I always want a smaller it always is bursting at the same as if I had a big wall it would look Quest remind [TS]

  you must've had sixty pieces of paper in that wallet. [TS]

  That's ridiculous that is [TS]

  and that is counting all those twenty pound notes I haven't flown with money now I don't know what it was [TS]

  but I looked when you when you fold it over your wallet. [TS]

  The big clear receipts I don't know what the heck it was [TS]

  but the big thick white seam down the middle of your wallet that you're trying to press [TS]

  and crunched together to get it back into your pocket. [TS]

  Your heart was absolutely just overstuffed and all it made me think of is the famous gift [TS]

  and the wallets from Seinfeld which was supposed to be a joke but your wallet really did look like that. [TS]

  Whether or not we hadn't done my monthly resay clean that's there's always some reason given [TS]

  but that's what it I was just I was surprised that you were able to manage that wallet so you know what I managed on I [TS]

  get often I'm glad you do. I'm glad you do but I was just I was surprised to see it in person. [TS]

  Use your judgement to know I don't know I haven't touched judgmental on not just I was just I was surprised to see it [TS]

  and I couldn't live like that but if it works for you that's great. [TS]

  It's not John will surprise to say I couldn't live like it but I'm no judge [TS]

  but I think this is if I if I was judging you you would know it but I just you know I'm glad it works for you. [TS]

  Well now you know I agree astri Manuel is better. You know I've got better things to do in life then. [TS]

  Sitaram field stripping my wallet like I have totally fair I completely agree [TS]

  and I wish in very many ways I could be a more easygoing person [TS]

  but such is not my lot in life they are I guess sort of two more things that I want to follow up on. [TS]

  Yes The first one was we made an offhanded comment on I think I made the comment on the last show about there being far [TS]

  fewer Nobel Prizes than professional You Tubers with a million or more subscribers. [TS]

  Yeah we were sort of saying you know of course the Nobel Prize has more cachet because there are fewer winners than the [TS]

  Wrights million plus subscriber people right. [TS]

  You can't you can't swing a dead cat in San Francisco without hitting a whole bunch of people have a million [TS]

  subscribers on their You Tube channel. [TS]

  So the Nobel Prize just seems so much smaller you know I want to quickly interrupt before we finish that point. [TS]

  Yeah I was actually at with a few ichi business in San Francisco the other night [TS]

  and I was saying there are very few You Tube is in San Francisco [TS]

  and any time any of them become quite big they always move to L.A. [TS]

  To the point where they are all coming to each other [TS]

  and said we're going to start a little community here because there are many of them. [TS]

  So I don't know I don't know [TS]

  but they were kind of listing on one handle the You Tube is the really big huge wave is with you know [TS]

  and I had to find a really big reason now but I know this I know this is all very siloed as well [TS]

  and probably there's probably a whole bunch somewhere else [TS]

  but I'm just saying these people will be moaning the lack of a You Tube community in San Francisco that's the that is [TS]

  totally fair enough I just I think I said San Francisco because I just don't even like to think about L.A. [TS]

  Because it is obviously the worst city in the civilized world is horrible but if you want a career in the media [TS]

  or in entertainment in its broadest of forms yes you want to move to L.A. And so there. [TS]

  If anyone follows the You Tube professional world at all you know the pattern of someone starts a You Tube channel. [TS]

  They become relatively successful and then at some point they're all moving to L.A. [TS]

  and They don't even necessarily specify why the answer is because they want to be professionally in the entertainer. [TS]

  World you know they want to do T.V. or You know other other things that the only reason anybody moved to L.A. [TS]

  Because otherwise it's a it's a horrible horrible place. [TS]

  On the other hand Nobel Prize winners you do get a lot of in San Francisco. [TS]

  In fact Berkeley where I'm at the University of Berkeley has I think I've said this before has car parking spaces that [TS]

  have an L. Written on them which means they're reserved for Nobel laureates. [TS]

  So they have so many Nobel prize winners at Berkeley they even have their own car parking spaces. [TS]

  That is great is really great. [TS]

  The thing you are saying that the Nobel Prize winners we have since shed more light on this. [TS]

  Yes So let me just pull up the exact you know as opposed to say Nobel Prize winners by the way because it's not [TS]

  something you when you're a laureate I thought well it was like nominee [TS]

  and then the laureates of the people who have them they never they don't reveal who like the other people who were like [TS]

  nominated until last year's And so the laureates of the witness did not realize that after our last show. [TS]

  Says mobo in the Reddit comments. [TS]

  I looked up the numbers and at the time of the last show there were eight hundred and seventy six Nobel laureates [TS]

  and there were eight hundred and forty eight youtube channels with over a million subscribers. [TS]

  So actually just under the number of Nobel laureates or youtube channels with over a million and then OK So [TS]

  but we record a little while ago and said just today I thought oh let me look it up and see where it is [TS]

  and as of as of our time of recording. [TS]

  Nobel Prize dot org now says there are eight hundred eighty nine Nobel laureates. [TS]

  So I get a few more were awarded since last time we were there and there are eight hundred [TS]

  and seventy youtube channels with over a million subscribers. [TS]

  So by the time this point cast goes out it may well have crossed over that the moment. [TS]

  Still at the moment we are still more prestigious than Nobel Prize winners. [TS]

  You just find one that scene I have to say I'm surprised. [TS]

  It is remarkable how close that number is just one nine hundred different but yes by the time I edit this [TS]

  and the time it goes up it may very well be that we have just done the crossover point because the channels that are [TS]

  that are below the million subscribers are not below by a lot. [TS]

  And once you start getting up in those numbers your subscribers tend to grow quite quickly so yes by the time you do [TS]

  your internet listening are hearing this there may very well be more You Tube channels with a million subscribers then [TS]

  Nobel laureates which seems like that's the way it should be in the world. [TS]

  If I'm going to talk to the the Berkeley people see if they're going to give me a cup of space to let me know how like [TS]

  yeah why tell us something's been you know who has pots there must have like a million You Tube subscribers. [TS]

  They go oh I wonder how many people have been to the summit of Mount Everest. [TS]

  Can you google fu that for me [TS]

  and I think you know the one time it's difficult for me to google stuff you explicitly ask OK and so much of Everest. [TS]

  So I'm surprised you don't know the top of your head [TS]

  and every kind of people have stepped on the moon you missed a lot of the top if you had twelve. There we go. [TS]

  The church I can name all the people involved on the moment I collect their autographs. [TS]

  Last Yahoo Answers I don't trust anything you say. I'm guessing it's over a thousand for Everest. [TS]

  That's got to be I mean those those Sherpas are shuffling people up there like nobody's carrying them on their backs. [TS]

  Yes whether they lied. Ah so you are so ubiquitous. [TS]

  I know I'm finding numbers but they just don't agree and that's the thing. [TS]

  Whatever it is it's going to be higher than the the You Tube millionaires is not so. [TS]

  So we also have more pre-stage than someone who's got some added Everest in my opinion. [TS]

  Well again because of the Sherpas I might actually agree with you. Did you know have a ship a million subscribers. [TS]

  You made that joke last time you know if you can pay that exact to about Sherpas helping you make gentle What is in the [TS]

  making that Jake was it is unfunny that time ago it was better the first time so I'm going to run I'm going to run with [TS]

  Wikipedia here. [TS]

  I say by the end of the twenty ten climbing season there had been five thousand one hundred four cents to the summit. [TS]

  By three thousand one hundred forty two individuals. OK So yes I guess a lot of repeat business on Mt Everest. [TS]

  Imagine you get a bit of that that was worth it just to hear my joke again if you had great I tell you scary now that I [TS]

  can't even remember corny jokes of my life. [TS]

  Joseph There was the terrible thing is more as we start this podcast [TS]

  and I feel like I cannot remember for the life of me what we have talked about on the podcast [TS]

  but what we talked about just in person or what we have. [TS]

  I am I am terrified of telling the same stories again on the podcast like an old man. Yeah and no it hasn't habitable. [TS]

  Oh yeah that will happen over only like twenty three episodes in what's going to happen if this thing goes on longer. [TS]

  Just the last two podcasts I feel we've reached that point where I've used all my good stuff [TS]

  and I say like now every time I go to say something. Unlike you I'm sure I've told this before. [TS]

  It's also a damning indictment of how interesting I am that all the stuff that's come before is classified as my Google [TS]

  this is where it's so very different. [TS]

  Doing something like a podcast versus talking with your friends because everybody knows with friends [TS]

  and family you know. Will tell the same stories again. [TS]

  You'll hear the same stories from your family a hundred times and that's fine. Everybody's cool with that. [TS]

  Podcast is not cool anymore. If you can't you can't tell the same story every time that people need to be entertained. [TS]

  Yes but people do need to get to say that's probably the good reason that so good to do so much follow up. [TS]

  Yeah like he should because then like this reacting to what people we've never met saying there's a good chance you [TS]

  know. [TS]

  Yes At least I think we'll be talking about his new if not the jokes about that Jake was new to the to the listener. [TS]

  Hopefully I think I think you said it in the last podcast [TS]

  but now I don't know do we say it isn't right it is German person. [TS]

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  This is probably been one of the most sense links I have yet received. [TS]

  But the well known internet guy underscored David Smith who makes a bunch of i Phone apps for a living he's a [TS]

  professional developer. [TS]

  He actually made something which is sort of a solution to one of my complaints about the i Phone from last time which [TS]

  is that the icons are too far up for me to reach comfortably with one hand and I will put the U.R.L. In the show notes. [TS]

  But he set up a thing where you can basically have blank apps at the top [TS]

  but the cost is that you need to have a purely black background on your eye. [TS]

  On so you can lower the apps but you cannot have a wallpaper background [TS]

  but if if if the lower ness of the apps is vitally important to you [TS]

  and you're willing to sacrifice your wallpaper then this is a potential solution so I will put that in the show notes [TS]

  if people are interested and that is a very cool thing from underscore David Smith. [TS]

  So they become like kind of like stuffing or filler that will force the use of calms down into within some range. [TS]

  Yes he's basically using the training of how I.O.'s allows you to put bookmarks as kind of fake apps on your phone so [TS]

  that's the way he is doing that. [TS]

  But yes you still can have purely transparent ones [TS]

  but you've done a clever little trick so that it doesn't even have to have anything in the name either. [TS]

  So it it is a blank icon I tell you want talking about Apple in the podcast like we have the last couple of episodes [TS]

  has taught me that I'm going to add Apple products to the list of politics [TS]

  and religion of things that you should not talk about my God have you been have you gotten feedback from the people I [TS]

  know I've just been I haven't been following a bit of what you know people say on Reddit and Twitter [TS]

  and Like to people like. [TS]

  It doesn't matter that much like you know I know we talked about a lot [TS]

  but I mean we spent an hour talking about flags and no one complained and we talk about [TS]

  and I find that lots of people actually are in and like we use [TS]

  and we're like you know Internet people on a podcast called hello internet people like outrage that we would deign to [TS]

  talk about the release of this like world famous technology but everyone's buying. [TS]

  Yeah [TS]

  and I actually I put this I screen shot of this little moment because I thought the summed up things very well in this [TS]

  from one of our old shows [TS]

  but I had this interaction with an anonymous internet person where they said in response to one of the shows I can't [TS]

  believe you're a mac guy and then I replied I can't believe anybody cares. [TS]

  As Which really is my opinion on this [TS]

  and then he immediately replied that such a mac user thing to say this I think you can always says no I know you are [TS]

  but one of my like only mac users would say that they don't care that other people talk. [TS]

  You just there's no there's no winning on this [TS]

  and I can say I mean I can see why that person has replied that that's what that's that's playing to the stereotype [TS]

  that MAC people are all snobby [TS]

  and like you know like I can see what I can see why that that reply was replied to your reply [TS]

  but I also understand what you mean like you know yeah I guess this is not a life. [TS]

  I'm surprised people care so much anyway. People people care intensely and I think I'm gonna do. [TS]

  Some other people have a preference like I don't mind that people strongly feel that Android is better than Apple [TS]

  or you know the Yankees are better than the Giants [TS]

  or whatever like you know there's nothing wrong with Stop talking about it you know [TS]

  and you know we have complained a little bit about some Iowa stuff on the podcast and I don't know if you saw [TS]

  but I wrote an article a little while ago complaining about some particular problems that I have a file as are things [TS]

  that I want Apple to change and I've done these a couple times and always with things like a nothing [TS]

  but an enormous amount of feedback from people saying switch to Android [TS]

  and let me let me put Let me let me encapsulate what cars are from that appear of what they're saying to you [TS]

  and it is something you should address it is a fair question because everyone knows you are incredibly fussy you want [TS]

  you like things just the way you like them you know you spend months looking for a wallet you spend hours deciding on [TS]

  the wallpaper of your find so you're your guy he likes things the way he likes things. [TS]

  Yeah and yet you uh oh you do like Apple products. [TS]

  And they of you very much get what you're given when you buy Apple stuff when you know you happen to like it [TS]

  but you do get what you're given right. Whereas there's this lack of trust you can't customize things as much. [TS]

  How do you justify that justify that and then let's move on. [TS]

  OK well I guess my my my coming to Apple story really my coming to the i Phone story that's just constraints that was [TS]

  when I was originally thinking about getting a real cell phone as opposed to you know my my little like everybody used [TS]

  to have a little flip phone that you can just send text messages. [TS]

  But when the time came [TS]

  when I was thinking oh I'm going to get a smart phone I assumed knowing myself that I was going to get an Android phone [TS]

  for exactly the same reason which is well I know that I like to have an incredible amount of control over the way [TS]

  everything looks in the way everything Hopper rates and that is not what Apple gives you. [TS]

  So it just seemed very obvious to me like what I'm going to buy an Android for [TS]

  and I always just assumed that that's what it was going to be. [TS]

  But when it actually came time to pick a side on this team of Android vs i Phone when I went to look this was [TS]

  and for the record this was around the time of the i Phone for the Android stuff to me. [TS]

  Yes it was more customizable but I found everything just more hideous and awful just the default way everything looked. [TS]

  The apps that were available at the time how they worked how they interacted with things [TS]

  and on the i Phone Yes you had far fewer choices. [TS]

  But my perception was you were starting from a much better place [TS]

  and so I was actually quite surprised that I ended up with the i Phone I always assume that I would end up with Android [TS]

  and to to this day a huge portion of the reason that I use IO S. [TS]

  Now as my primary platform is the strengths of the apps that are on the i O. S. [TS]

  So it's really easy to complain about the operating system because. [TS]

  But he has problems with the operating system I wish it did this so I wish you'd let me put icons over this way I wish [TS]

  I'd had a real dark mode but the operating system is really just a gateway to the applications [TS]

  and now this is where my fussiness can come back into play because I know if you have an enormous choice of [TS]

  applications that are both a very high quality and maybe subtly different [TS]

  or do things in little different ways I should put a link to someone put together a big chart of all of the i O. [TS]

  West text editors and all of the various features they have and the list is just forever [TS]

  and I spent a long time going through that list and selecting OK I needed to be able to do this [TS]

  and you should be able do this and you to be able do this [TS]

  and oh by the way I also need three of these apps because I want to use each of them for different things so the [TS]

  incredible strength of the app ecosystem is is why I use it [TS]

  but you know the operating system complaints are kind of universal to everybody [TS]

  but I just I think the apps are are very useful tools to me but just like just like with talking about your wallet [TS]

  or keys before I don't judge people who use Android devices. If it works for you that's awesome. [TS]

  And I'm always really curious [TS]

  when I see people using things that are different from what I'm using I know tell me why do you do this what do you [TS]

  like about it. [TS]

  I cannot help but always be very curious and interested in what everybody else is using to get their own work done. [TS]

  But so that's I guess that's partly why I'm on I'm on I O. S. but. [TS]

  I think the question or the thing that people want to ask you [TS]

  or the Android people will now have is how often do you dip back into the world of Android to see how things have [TS]

  changed a lot. D. Every six months do you really have a proper look and think I actually have things improved. [TS]

  Is it worth the switch What do you do that now so I probably haven't touched an Android phone in the last six months [TS]

  would be my guess unless I'm a basher looked at one [TS]

  and this is exactly what people want to argue with you about oh well you know back when you were looking at the. [TS]

  No for sure Android wasn't that great but you don't know how awesome it is now and this is just irrelevant. [TS]

  This is not this is not like it is not my responsibility to keep on top of these things all the time because of [TS]

  something called switching costs where to move from one platform to another is an enormously costly [TS]

  and time consuming affair and I don't have but that's [TS]

  but one of the things I have noticed from the replies that I normally get on Twitter is that the people who just tell [TS]

  me use an Android phone. They seem to be college age people or much younger people. [TS]

  And it's the old joke about Linux that Linux is only free if you don't value your time [TS]

  and I used to use Linux in college and I loved Linux and I used to think why doesn't everybody use Linux it's free. [TS]

  All he need to do is constantly put in an enormous amount of time to make sure that it is always working. But. [TS]

  Now that I am an older person [TS]

  and I am self employed you get into the situation where by like you were talking last time you don't want to upgrade [TS]

  your mac because you don't want avid the editor that you used to change there. [TS]

  There comes a point at which when once you start valuing getting things done [TS]

  or your work much more than your time switching costs become a much much bigger deal. [TS]

  And so even if let's say we could just measure which operating systems were better in some in some possible way [TS]

  and let say we knew for a fact that Android was twenty percent better for me I don't think it is. [TS]

  But let's just say that we knew that it was. [TS]

  Yeah well I.O.'s is the foundational level on which I get everything in my whole life done. [TS]

  I spend most of my working time on an i Pad and that synchronizes back with my i Phone [TS]

  and i have a mac that is at home which as actor. [TS]

  As a server [TS]

  and I can kind of ping that server from my i Pad to do things for me which then come back like there's an enormous [TS]

  amount of stuff that's going on here that I have set up [TS]

  and twenty percent better is not worth the cost of switching over an incredibly complicated system that I have very [TS]

  fussily set up over a number of years. [TS]

  It's just at a certain point it's just not worth it because I have to there will be a point where Android could become [TS]

  sufficiently better that you would switch I mean I have a I could spent years creating a great catalog of V.H.S. [TS]

  Tapes and audio cassettes [TS]

  but eventually I had to say well they're now useless because anything on there must be a point where you would you [TS]

  would switch that's a bit of a different scenario though because V.H.S. [TS]

  Technology is not on going or what we're talking about two ongoing pattern. [TS]

  Yes OK And so what about what about taking that twenty percent. There must be a point where it could end. [TS]

  Could anything happen in the world of Android that would suddenly make it compelling [TS]

  or at least make you consider it has to be a huge obvious improvement across everything he does. [TS]

  It integrates like I always integrates very well with my Apple stuff which I use to edit the videos like the podcast [TS]

  right now recording this on a mac pro and I'm going to use logic for it. [TS]

  And so switching over to Android is not just oh let me just change my phone. [TS]

  Yeah it's also I'm going to change the way I professionally make videos for a living [TS]

  and now this is a very big question about What am I going to am I going to get a Linux machine with. [TS]

  With video editing software that is comparable to what I currently use. [TS]

  That's why our switching cost can be very very high. [TS]

  Once once you don't necessarily have a huge amount of time to put in things [TS]

  and the other thing that I think is a kind of unexpected problem is what you don't know about. [TS]

  That might cause you trouble. [TS]

  So people when I complain about something [TS]

  and then someone says Oh on Android you can arrange the icons anywhere that you want. [TS]

  Yes OK on that one particular issue. [TS]

  Android might be better but you have to look at the whole set of problems [TS]

  and benefits you get with one thing versus the whole set of problems and benefits you get with another thing. [TS]

  It's it's a bit like when people tell me how to switch Android if I've complained about something particular on I.I.S. [TS]

  It's a bit like if I'm complaining about my taxes and no taxes are really complicated [TS]

  and it causes me a lot of stress over the past six months and it's just been a hugely frustrating situation [TS]

  and somebody says Why don't you become a bear. [TS]

  Bears don't have to worry about taxes they don't have any of these kinds of problems you know bears just get to live in [TS]

  the forest you have to all of these human problems you have your worries about your pocket [TS]

  or your i Phone is two big bears don't have any of these issues. [TS]

  So I guess [TS]

  but being a bear comes with a whole other set of problems many of which I don't even know about at this stage I don't [TS]

  know I think they would be pretty girl I bet you would. [TS]

  If one of the two of us is going to live as a bear I think everybody knows which one of us is going to be the bear I [TS]

  often think in many ways I already am. You're half way there as a caveman. [TS]

  The other thing also is hardware hardware lock doesn't lock you in and makes change. [TS]

  Also difficult like even with my camera. [TS]

  I've bought a Canon and started buying all these lenses for and that made me buy a Canon video camera. [TS]

  Oh yeah don't say when a Nikon thing is the worst. [TS]

  Yeah I don't like so suddenly if someone was to say you should change cameras like I came maybe [TS]

  but I've invested so much in my lenses now that I kind of you know they you know that's one of the things that locks [TS]

  you in once you make that decision for whatever reason you made you talk about why you made the decision [TS]

  when you made it and then you start this kind of stage stack of buying of IMAX and MAC books and i Pads [TS]

  and i Phones That's exactly it. He kind of and it's not like you can just change them all in one fell swoop. [TS]

  I think there is a certain kind of nerd who was just driven crazy by that notion that someone might fully well [TS]

  acknowledge that the other thing is better but it does not compensate for the switching costs. [TS]

  Oh and that's just that's just the way things actually are. [TS]

  Well I should say that the comment that I see very particularly is people expressing disappointment in me because they [TS]

  go you know I thought I thought it was such a smart guy I can't believe he uses an Android phone. [TS]

  You know it's incredibly disappointing that he would make that sort of choice. [TS]

  It's just like that kind of thing I find so strange and I think that that is why the. [TS]

  The language of religion is sometimes appropriate [TS]

  when you talk about people picking sides in these these Iowa because if you are the kind of person who really invests [TS]

  yourself in a particular platform you almost have to come to the conclusion that everybody else who doesn't make the [TS]

  same decision as you is stupid or they're just deluded [TS]

  or they've been fooled by marketing because you know you are all in on whatever your platform is [TS]

  and so if everybody else doesn't use it you know you think that you have made this awesome decision [TS]

  and so you have to assume that everybody else is dumb or blinded [TS]

  and I think that that's just this is that this is a much broader thing about why I hate labels in general like you I [TS]

  just don't think people should self apply very many labels because it starts to limits your thinking [TS]

  and it changes the way you look at other people and it's like I happen to use MAC stuff as a bunch of reasons for it. [TS]

  I'm not you know I'm not incredibly I don't love Apple in the abstract. [TS]

  I use Apple because it gets things that I need done very easily. [TS]

  And part of the reason that works is because I already have Apple stuff. [TS]

  But I do actually think it is better but I can acknowledge that even if it wasn't that. [TS]

  They're the other alternatives would have to be much much better to the foundation of my whole life to change not just [TS]

  the house next door to my house which is almost exactly the same that was like two percent better because I had a nice [TS]

  a bathroom or something like I wouldn't sell my house [TS]

  and buy that house because of the pain in the neck of moving house and all the costs and all the taxes [TS]

  and all the things and all the time wouldn't be worth it just to get it just to get that slightly nicer bathroom sink. [TS]

  People I think people you know for whatever reason you went all in at some point and I'm sure maybe you know I think [TS]

  but I'm sure you probably are open to change if something compelling came along [TS]

  but it's going to be a lot more than you can arrange your icons [TS]

  but of course you have to be open to change because otherwise that's just insanity. [TS]

  The other position is I will continue to use Apple software no matter how terrible it gets. [TS]

  Which is the kind of implicit statement that people telling me to change over are sometimes making that they are [TS]

  arguing against this position as I go. I'm not taking that position. [TS]

  If for some reason the old company went terrible [TS]

  and they started producing awful stuff well that also affects the switching cost calculation right if if if if the [TS]

  thing that I'm currently using is just absolutely terrible but I mean I'm just now just pulling a number out of a hat. [TS]

  I would say that. [TS]

  At this point in my life in order to change over everything I would have to be looking at something like like a ten X. [TS]

  Improvement in just the just the the productivity or the features [TS]

  or however you want to measure it because otherwise it's not worth taking the amount of time to to switch over so [TS]

  anyway that's probably enough on this. Join up if you want to Brady's papercut. [TS]

  I would love a British paper cut Brady's paper cut is the security options of online banking too. [TS]

  Two things in particular three things but OK I will just tell you things maybe that annoy me. [TS]

  One is how long it takes before the page. [TS]

  Times out loud I'm a liar I do not have a good attention span and sometimes I'll stop doing something [TS]

  and then I'll quickly check an email or a tweet or Twitter or something and then I come back and the page is timed out. [TS]

  I feel like they should give me a little bit more time. [TS]

  I don't know what the time they give me is but it's not enough it's not enough it's not enough and [TS]

  and the main reason it's not enough is I have to read log in [TS]

  and I have enormous problems with this system they use where you have to give like the third seventh [TS]

  and our letter of your password. I find it impossible. [TS]

  Like is this something I don't know I'm always I'm always just counting them out on my fingers [TS]

  and then getting one wrong and then am I using my knuckle or what finger was I up to and is much does my thumb count [TS]

  and. What's going on and does I have to be that way. I know why they do that but it's still just it's infuriating. [TS]

  If you agree with me I completely agree with you. [TS]

  Logging into my bank is awful and I hate the little dongle that I have to use so I mean I understand. [TS]

  Obviously I don't want other people accessing my bank so this if there's any if there's any cases where inconvenience [TS]

  is worth the payoff of increased security. Your bank is that place it is still it is still very very frustrating. [TS]

  I have I happen to use one password to manage a lot of the passwords on my computer [TS]

  and for my banking stuff what I have done with the passwords that they ask where they say oh we want the seven [TS]

  and a half digit of your password. [TS]

  I have put a space after every three so I can very visually easily grab the ones they want so they only want one the [TS]

  fourth the ninth and the thirteenth. [TS]

  That's really easy to see if you've grouped the password into three space three space three. [TS]

  Yes that's that's the way I get around it but yeah I agree it is very first off. [TS]

  Yeah OK I mean as you know I have I have my little notebook of passwords. Oh yes of course. [TS]

  So I have it written down [TS]

  but then it like in red pen above I have the numbers of the password so I can see if I can read over that [TS]

  but if I haven't got my if I haven't got my notebook which I was going to say I'm not traveling with that book come [TS]

  away from home for like five weeks. So I'm knocking it. Well no I didn't which I think will please you. [TS]

  But the reason I didn't was because I actually forgot in a last minute I was really organized with my packing this time [TS]

  which would make you proud. [TS]

  But then at the very last minute I decided to make a change of bags [TS]

  and there was one little pocket on the old bag that I forgot to transfer which contained all my S.D. [TS]

  and All I know with US words and things like that so they're all still at home. An enormous pain in the backside. [TS]

  I'm sorry to hear that you know you're stranded without any of your passwords except the ones you can remember of stuff [TS]

  you have. Yes So they have a password changing going on but not actually doing or I'm actually doing something. [TS]

  Yeah yeah I think that was a that was a pipe and you're on board with that that was good to hear. [TS]

  I agree with you when you're being reasonable. We had an adventure like a real life adventure. [TS]

  We did we did I made a video recently and you came along for the ride it was very exciting. [TS]

  You left the London bubble I did which is very rare very rare as one of the first times of elude us. [TS]

  Actually I was quite I must I must of I don't know how I did I haven't been able to glue you to come up for like you [TS]

  know a dinner or anything but I live with you for a film. Did you enjoy the trip did you. [TS]

  You came up on the try [TS]

  and I know this because I'm not going to pretend to ask you how you came up because I picked you up from the train [TS]

  station I was a train trip. Do you like trains I get really excited going on a train trip. [TS]

  I still even though it's bit of a pain in the backside. [TS]

  Still at the very start have that nice little feeling of excitement when I buy my copy of a magazine and a drink [TS]

  and sit down like you must you must like that I do. I adore train stations. [TS]

  I absolutely love trains and everything about them. [TS]

  And yes when I went [TS]

  and came from St Pancras Station Terry didn't you which is a brilliant station So you're saying I think Chris Yeah I [TS]

  came across in Paris which is beautiful absolutely beautiful train station it is the one which if you've seen the Harry [TS]

  Potter films that's they're using the same bankers one although it is King's Cross in the books because of some [TS]

  confusion for J.K. Rowling when she was writing the book. [TS]

  But if you've seen the exterior of that train station that is a train station that I left from [TS]

  and yes I have to say that is one of the most gorgeous train stations I have ever seen the great. [TS]

  I also enjoy I think is very exciting to go get some coffee [TS]

  and be ready to go on a little train ride even if it's a relatively short journey. [TS]

  This I love everything about trains [TS]

  and if I made a note on this last journey because I thought oh great you might like to know this. [TS]

  I thought of something that is old and obviously less convenient than the modern alternative but that I like better [TS]

  and I thought I would I would tell you about an old thing that I like home and I can't tell you how excited you are. [TS]

  I don't know what to call them but I miss the claque e train signs that used to roll over when they would tell you [TS]

  when the platforms would change and would go clack clack clack clack clack clack clack. [TS]

  I have no idea what the name of those things are by ASCO. That's a good call. [TS]

  Yeah so I realize when I first moved to London which is eleven years ago now I know I can even keep track of it. [TS]

  When I used to take trains all over the place the stations that I went to particular Victoria Station had those old [TS]

  clack things on there so when you stand there and with her. [TS]

  When someone I used to go from now yeah Victoria is one I used to go to a lot tell you that. [TS]

  And there was ever the same. [TS]

  It was almost like this bizarre moment of excitement that once they start turning over it oh boy it it almost feels [TS]

  like like like a lot of people. [TS]

  Yes that is exactly what I was thinking of it's like the lottery balls rolling around [TS]

  and I go we're going to come out what platform is going to be show me strange clacking machine and it makes noise [TS]

  and I like has some random element involved because things are hitting each other. Yeah that's what. [TS]

  Obviously it's pre-determined there is no randomness here but if it's still it just feels exciting [TS]

  and the noise is just such a train station kind of thing and I was about that when I was standing [TS]

  and saying penny for I don't know how you've got to how I do I do. [TS]

  So thinking about that I was standing at the platform [TS]

  and I was I was waiting to find out what train I was going to get on to see you obviously the screen [TS]

  and I give it a lady's green a thumbs down. [TS]

  Even though I know it is a million times more practical for a train station to use all the L.C.D. [TS]

  Screens which is why they use them [TS]

  but I thought I could I could do with something that's a little bit more romantic here. [TS]

  Bring back the old train clacker signs. [TS]

  So would you put one in your house my house is not a train station so no why would I put it in my house just to have a [TS]

  go off randomly as you have no idea a terrible idea. [TS]

  Anyway besides the disappointment of not having a collector [TS]

  and besides that disappointment in the trench it was a most picturesque journey you came out as Lester [TS]

  and in sort of the middle of England it's not the most picturesque journey that one from London up to Leicester it's [TS]

  pretty it's a pretty boring scenery. [TS]

  Yeah I guess the reason the reason I'm hesitating there is because you know you know I'm a pretty optimistic guy about [TS]

  the future of the world in the state of society I'm pretty optimistic. The one time I feel a cloud. [TS]

  Of foreboding on the future of civilization and the State of the world is. [TS]

  If I'm on a train and I am in the quiet cabin and other people are not quiet I don't understand [TS]

  and understand the world and it makes me really grumpy and I feel like we're on that we're in the quiet train. [TS]

  People shouldn't judge you understand this is not the place for your cell phone conversation you two elected to be on [TS]

  the quiet train there's a whole bunch of other cabins they could move to. I know it's not like they're not catered to. [TS]

  I know that this is this is why I like this is we have tried to have this little area where self-selecting people can [TS]

  go and we can sit and we can be quiet together and ignore each other but when people are on the quiet train [TS]

  and they themselves cannot possibly be quiet that is what it is one time where I feel like all of society is doomed if [TS]

  we can't if we can't pull this little tiny bit off any time I think it's OK to make noise [TS]

  and have a phone call in the quiet cabin is if it's me who needs to make the noise [TS]

  or make phone calls so you are the problem. That is that is exactly right. [TS]

  So you are that if that is what I assume every one of these people on that you're quite sane is thinking oh my phone [TS]

  call conversation slash unattended daughter who is running up and down the aisle. Oh that's perfectly fine. [TS]

  Ana hang on I didn't say anything about unattended orders that's different. [TS]

  No no I haven't and I'm not saying that you don't have it on the ten dollars [TS]

  but I'm sure that that mother on my last train who I was particularly irritated with she's thinking the same thing too. [TS]

  Oh my kid is totally fine my phone conversation is totally fine. I'm in the quiet train everybody else is being quiet. [TS]

  They're giving me the stink eye but it's fine because it's me I was joking I like very well I'm a square. [TS]

  I follow the rules I don't like breaking rules. Why can't we pull this together people. [TS]

  It's not I'm not asking for a lot it's a bit like when I used to be a teacher. [TS]

  So we've kind of and I had to put this but I found it hard to understand the kids who just couldn't be quiet. [TS]

  All I'm asking for is in action it is literally the easiest thing in the world and you want to be loud [TS]

  and noisy which is more effort. You seem to not be able to do nothing. [TS]

  You seem to have to do something if you have a lot of puppies. [TS]

  It's like it's like you think why don't you just go to sleep happy. [TS]

  I just know you want me [TS]

  and I just want to do stuff that just got too much energy it's like trying to contain the sun inside a lunch box it's [TS]

  just too much energy. [TS]

  Now maybe I just whatever people are talking in a quiet cabin I look at them [TS]

  and I just think I bet I know exactly what you were like in school but you couldn't be quiet in school either. [TS]

  Quiet cabins make me feel like I can't believe this whole civilization project has worked out as well as it has [TS]

  and makes me slightly gloomy but a sigh. From that I had a lovely trip. So you came up to list. [TS]

  Maybe you should tell people what was going on like because I'm I think I'm a bit close to this project. [TS]

  Yeah I think maybe you should explain why you came up. [TS]

  So you invited me up because you had printed out a million digits of pi onto a one mile long strip of paper [TS]

  and you'd flown out to Denmark to get this done and you had this wheel of paper. [TS]

  Now here in England and you were going to unroll it on an airstrip which took you a while to find [TS]

  and this was all in service of celebration for your one million subscribers numbers which ties in very nicely with what [TS]

  we're talking about before this I was my Nobel Prize moment just like the Nobel Prize if the prize was You Tube [TS]

  describers and paper on an airplane runway. So that's that's what this was. You printed out the million digits. [TS]

  It was for your one million subscriber video. [TS]

  And yes if you found it I was a retired or retired but it was a it was a former Air Force [TS]

  but it was a bit unclear to me what they were currently doing but yeah it's a place called Bunting thought [TS]

  and it was it was like a you know one of these World War two bases so it has the you know the long huge long runway [TS]

  and it's gone through various incarnations since then its current use is a backup proving ground so they've kind of [TS]

  they use as a kind of test track and they have sort of the main runway is like the main strike [TS]

  and the taxiways are sort of driving [TS]

  and it's also used for storing cuz there's loads of like thousands upon thousands of cars there [TS]

  but it is also an air craft. [TS]

  Kind of museum slash storage place so the goal of these cold war jets [TS]

  and I've got I must of had fifteen seven four seven planes [TS]

  and they just taken delivery of a seven four seven which I'll start with why you [TS]

  and I were talking about seven was Evans [TS]

  and then just taken delivery of a retired Cathay Pacific seven four seven which was just sitting at the end of the [TS]

  runway like yeah still looking you know looking with all the livery on it and looking like it could just turn around [TS]

  and take off any moment it didn't look like it was retarded just like it had been parked which it pretty much was that [TS]

  the security guy told me it was totally air where the lucky could it could fly. [TS]

  Yeah so if you follow a checklist we would have been able to fly off of that seven Force I wonder how much fuel was [TS]

  and I don't know conceivably that would've been a hell of a million subscribers see Brady jump in a seven hundred [TS]

  eleven and just say we're doing it man. I wonder I wonder if we actually did steal a seven for seven. [TS]

  How long would it take before the R.A.F. [TS]

  Would just shoot us out of the sky and I don't think that necessarily may not be a loss. [TS]

  Saying if you have His eyes of a crash investigation I can handle this bad boy. I'm just thinking of that. [TS]

  There's a rogue seven four seven in British airspace. I don't think that would last very long. [TS]

  I don't think I can stay up for very a lot of media that would make the day you too young. [TS]

  So still a seven for seven [TS]

  and then got shot out of the other video they have to recover from the black box that we can from from the roof. [TS]

  This it would have go prison remand on him. [TS]

  That's pretty much that's what we did [TS]

  and that was about how many people do that ten percent of people in the end I think. [TS]

  So you I think you with a stent simply just to be an observer to witness the spectacle. [TS]

  Well this was how it was pitched it was pitched as come along and watch this fun thing that we're going to do [TS]

  and so that is what I signed up for but at the end of the day I had a flail he busted ankle [TS]

  and my hands were very dirty and I've been jumping in and out of a van and it was raining [TS]

  and dropping traffic cones all over the place that is honest to God the most physical labor I have probably done. [TS]

  In like ten years. Not only Monday and I was pretty impressed you were you know you were good you got it. [TS]

  I think it was one of the things it became very clear to all of us very fast that this was a this was a big job [TS]

  and it was going to be slow going. We maybe had bitten off more than we could chew. [TS]

  This was very quickly we need all hands on deck situation [TS]

  and it's still it's still felt to me like we just barely pulled that thing off in the end with a tear like with ten [TS]

  guys dealing with traffic cones and unrolling the paper and all kinds of craziness [TS]

  but it was it was I have to say it was very fun. [TS]

  I was very glad that you invited me along [TS]

  and I really enjoyed the day in spite of the physical labor that I was not told about in advance. [TS]

  It was it was very different it was very different to what. [TS]

  Like everything in life is different to what you expect is not you know [TS]

  and maybe there was a high degree of brain cracking going on here. But looming over them. [TS]

  Are we expecting today to be like what it is you think we're just going to roll it down the runway on its own. [TS]

  The the paper the mile long piece of paper was more difficult to manage than I expected [TS]

  and we obviously there was the paces of rain on the day which probably wasn't the biggest problem. [TS]

  It was it was inconvenient [TS]

  and although in some ways maybe we were lucky because it sort of it did maybe make things stick down a bit more [TS]

  and weigh the paper down a bit but the problem was wind [TS]

  and like I didn't quite comprehend how susceptible to wind that piece of paper all day and [TS]

  when the wind was very merciful to us it was not a windy day. [TS]

  If there had been a really windy day can you imagine what that will. It's would've happened wouldn't it wouldn't have. [TS]

  There was the slightest of breezes and it turned out that that was a huge problem [TS]

  when you're dealing with a mile long strip of paper [TS]

  and trying to keep it on a runway in a very very flat area that that tiny bit of a breeze was a huge problem. [TS]

  So we were quite lucky with the weather because yes we knew you kept messaging me fretting about the rain [TS]

  and this is not before for a week before you were fretting about the rain [TS]

  and sending me messages I can go back to my i Message history and poll times you start to worry about both [TS]

  but neither of us even thought about the wind as a potential issue and that turned out to be the real big problem. [TS]

  I know lots of comments under the final video saying that you want as you do on such a wet grey day [TS]

  and I like people I think it's a people think I just could turn around [TS]

  and use it on any day I liked like I don't know what people think but for those who don't realize this. [TS]

  Like I butcher this I booked it in advance and you can't have these places any time you like. [TS]

  Whatever the weather was going to be it was what the weather was going to be and there was no [TS]

  and it was not it was also not like. [TS]

  It wasn't given to me this was like an outlay [TS]

  and I'm not invested in this because it was because I have I don't know why I did it because I did love the idea too [TS]

  much fun and yes I was ill when I was only and whatever the weather was was what we had to do with. [TS]

  So yeah I've been hearing about you planning this for quite a while I had a while to get the to find a place to print a [TS]

  mile long piece of pie and took a while to find the airstrip [TS]

  but I do like you know you if you appease these kinds of comments whenever you do anything in public [TS]

  or people know why didn't you do this why didn't you. [TS]

  And there's a million reasons why we didn't do it just the way that you might have might have suggested [TS]

  and I do love the notion that you could just rock up at the airstrip at any time and say outs of rolled up paper today. [TS]

  So just. Even even if the airfields that I'll come down whenever we're not using it don't worry. [TS]

  You still need to coordinate ten other people and their schedules to get everybody there at the same time [TS]

  and you can't just roll a roll out of bed one Sunday morning stretch your arms take a look out the window [TS]

  and say I wanted to look like the day we're going to unravel the pie so it's a lot of planning in these kinds of things [TS]

  but they came off very well. You should feel very pleased about it. It was unable people to watch. [TS]

  Hasn't had time watched by many people but if you haven't already paused it and go [TS]

  and go watch the video you should definitely Myla Google mile of Pi operating properly and put in the Senate. [TS]

  I had some help with a couple people who were much better at operating cameras than me [TS]

  and we had a drone to do sort of all these cool aerial shots. [TS]

  Tell me that's not the coolest toy that the drone is amazing. [TS]

  The drone footage looks great and it was very fun to see the drone in action on the day. Drones are just great. [TS]

  I can I want to get one but I can't I can't. [TS]

  Yeah I was going to go right next to your telescope and which is still in the box and I'm sure I'm there. [TS]

  Or a number of other toys around jet wash my water jet wash still in the water washing over this one. Does it wash it. [TS]

  It's you know you can wash cars with blast pavement something like that but they disco things [TS]

  and I think one last Christmas and I still haven't used it last Christmas. OK So this is this is the problem. [TS]

  Yes maybe you can get a drone I imagine it would fit in a box in your house for quite a while before you ever actually [TS]

  unpacked it and tried to play with it. [TS]

  There's also a law isn't thing depending on what you want to do and how you want to use it's not it's not trivial. [TS]

  Where I live is like a quiet quaint seaside town like it looks really old fashioned It looks like from the Victorian [TS]

  era and it's got this old here and it's the seesaws Coello buildings hasn't been modernized It's very quaint [TS]

  and lovely and a couple of times a year the steam that comes out is so old fashioned steam [TS]

  and it goes to a few of the piers along the coast and picks tourists up and takes them on a big day trip [TS]

  and I was the hell is there. [TS]

  I was having like breakfast by the seaside with my wife the other day like it's very lovely all very lovely [TS]

  and then the woman serving us breakfast says all the steam is coming today and we'll call we had no idea. [TS]

  Oh that's nothing she said I will be here in half an hour make sure you stay for. [TS]

  So we went and sat on a bench by the sea and looking at the pier [TS]

  and then the steam we heard the statement coming from around the the other side of the point and what it could have [TS]

  but you could have been going back hundred years like that's what it was like it really was like it gone back in time [TS]

  and just as the steam started coming towards the pier [TS]

  and every breath was taken away by the beauty of the majesty of it all. [TS]

  This guy with a drug they wanted to capture the moment it is drying up. [TS]

  Needy they are going to roll out their arse and I remember the feeling I get over this. It hovered above the stage. [TS]

  And above the pier for the whole time the state code up on the whole time that people boarded in the whole time [TS]

  and it's like you know big unwieldy three point [TS]

  and it would have been the most beautiful thing ever except the whole time in this little mosquito of a rowboat was [TS]

  ruining the whole thing and all the pictures you know we were taking with their phones to capture the moment. [TS]

  Or had this snotty little white helicopter and so I do love that man made it said he made the pie video fantastic [TS]

  but there's a time and a place maybe out and out and I had and I want to thank It certainly ruined it for me [TS]

  but I'm sure he got some lovely footage the guy of the same. [TS]

  Yeah I mean this is what it is where in the in the in the eternal conflict between say the progress of technology [TS]

  and laws regulating that technology in which the laws are are behind the times normally [TS]

  and I usually I side with the let's go with with the technology here [TS]

  but the drones are definitely one issue whereas like what we need we need to decide as a society very quickly what the [TS]

  rules are going to be about these things because the price of the drones are just dropping very quickly. [TS]

  Sure right now it's only one guy with a drone but they are so loud. [TS]

  Yet it is like this this is one of the very rare cases where I would I would say I think we really need to sort out the [TS]

  legislation before we start having tons of drones in the sky that once you know [TS]

  when they hit a point where they are very very cheap and in particular [TS]

  when we hit a point at which you know like like Amazon is working on automated drones and drone delivery [TS]

  and say well we need to we need to sort out some stuff in advance before before this happens because you know rather [TS]

  than rather than chopping the price I wish they'd do something to chop the noice Well this is this is what I mean is. [TS]

  Legislate some kind of decreasing decibel level over time saying that you cannot legally sell a drone that is louder [TS]

  than X. Decibels this year and next year it's going to be X. [TS]

  Minus five decibels [TS]

  and like let's bring this down over time to make sure they're quiet because you have a lot of the issue with them I [TS]

  think would be resolved if they were quieter but it's also just in the States. [TS]

  There have been some some cases that have come out about what is reasonable expectation of privacy with people's homes [TS]

  and drones in airspace [TS]

  and you have cameras on those as like parts of people's houses that were never accessible from street level view are [TS]

  very accessible from a higher level view with a drone like that lots of questions about this kind of stuff [TS]

  and so yes the drones are super cool [TS]

  but we do need to decide what what the rules are going to be about these things anyway. [TS]

  But then I would be I would be very annoyed as well if I was enjoying the sight of an old steamer [TS]

  and some guys drone was ruining the whole thing for everybody there with the pie thing was cool shot that was that it [TS]

  goes over the seven four seven and then from San Bruno. [TS]

  There is some guy's house just on the other side of the tree line who can who have been sitting on his back yard [TS]

  and constantly employed by loud droning nude sunbathing. [TS]

  But but those shots are beautiful that that is that is that is for sure. [TS]

  What did the whole thing put you off or give you a taste for making real life videos with humans and nature [TS]

  and stuff I know I have I have on occasion thought about doing videos that are real life videos [TS]

  but I'm aware that this is probably not my skill set [TS]

  and it's also a question of trying to you know learning how to do that versus learning [TS]

  or doing that versus doing the current project so that this is also the problem of just being a self employed person. [TS]

  If you have way more projects that you want to do then you possibly have time and ability to do [TS]

  and there are a number of things around London that I constantly think about who I'd love to do this as a real life [TS]

  video but I know from watching you work on other occasions [TS]

  and particularly on the Pi Day that it is so much more work behind the scenes than you ever think it is I mean you had [TS]

  Matt Parker was there on the day with us who was the kind of on screen pie expert and if you were just driving up [TS]

  and down this runway with him for a huge portion of the day just constantly filming him talk about interesting sections [TS]

  of Pi and little facts about the sequence of numbers or that sequence of numbers [TS]

  and I mean I'm going to guess probably half of that you didn't use in the final video. [TS]

  I don't I mean I know I did put it in the long next director wanted half an hour along with the actual the actual [TS]

  millions of covers video I'm going to guess you use maybe half of the material you actually filmed not even knowing it. [TS]

  So I am I am very much aware of these things are a lot more work than than people probably think they are all of the [TS]

  video that you film. There's so much more that you have to capture than you actually do so. [TS]

  I think I'll probably leave the in real life videos to You but I think that's probably probably wise. [TS]

  Well I did I did get much amusement from saying you lived in traffic cones around and you're you're a real workhorse. [TS]

  Using you know you are. I was using you for your bra that is but that is definitely the case. [TS]

  Go it just have fun with it driving on a runway that you seem to really enjoy that you liked. [TS]

  I did offer to let you drive slow I was saying how fast I could go [TS]

  and I did say at one point do you want to do you want to do the next drive fast you can go in [TS]

  and I had no interest doing this know what So I thought maybe you'd say yes. He said No I just said. [TS]

  We worried about rolling my car over. [TS]

  Well first first of all I was shocked that you would let somebody else drive your car on the day you just like handing [TS]

  your keys to every passing stranger and letting them drive your car up [TS]

  and down the runway so I couldn't believe that you were that generous with your personal items. [TS]

  But now I it wasn't there wasn't much to hit to be fair I wouldn't be giving my keys to people if it was like you know [TS]

  a busy car park was my clue but if the positions were reversed [TS]

  and somehow that was my car you can bet no one would be driving my car but I had no choice. [TS]

  Necessity is the mother of generosity. But I guess I have never driven a car in the U.K. [TS]

  I've never been on the on the opposite side of a car. [TS]

  Well that's why I thought this was a perfect chance Fionn lucky two mile long runway that was like most of the one [TS]

  hundred metres wide as well like this was your perfect job. You know take a baby step. [TS]

  So I just I also I'm not a huge fan of driving and I don't ever plan to really drive in the U.K. [TS]

  So this is this is a baby step towards nowhere [TS]

  and I would not enjoy driving fast just for the sake of it because that feels like oh. [TS]

  Let's live dangerously for no benefits and I say no thank you to that. [TS]

  Well there's the benefit of getting where you need to go I'm not a fast driver. [TS]

  I am I am and I am an old granny driver as many people would say and even when I was like letting loose [TS]

  and going for the spade like we were really going that fast. [TS]

  So so it's not it's not like I would have been there saying for us to grow you know break the sound barrier. [TS]

  But anyway [TS]

  but anyway it was it was fun it was fun it was just fun driving on a runway like no not for the spade just for the like [TS]

  had like for the novelty. Yeah it was just something you don't normally do. [TS]

  And my favorite one of my favorite moments was the we had this problem weighing down the piece of paper because we [TS]

  didn't have in the end we were using traffic kinds we used a few bags of sand I brought along [TS]

  but we ran to Sam pretty quick and the movie using traffic cones [TS]

  and we ran traffic cams so we needed more white so I went looking for stuff. [TS]

  Off [TS]

  and in the end by luck at the other end of the two mile run my I found a whole bunch of traffic kind bases one is the [TS]

  base of kinds and they were really really heavy so you and I started firing back and forward [TS]

  and picking up all these bases and bringing them back to the the team who are rolling [TS]

  but the other thing that was down the other end of that Romo Yeah yeah there was like the runway had like a big giant [TS]

  hedge running along one side [TS]

  and at the end of the runway it turned in a right angle to sort of cover the cover the the end of the runway so it was [TS]

  as big right angled hedge and sort of buried in this right angle was like it was not the wreckage [TS]

  but it was like it was the fuselage of an old plane that had its wings removed and it was in bad condition [TS]

  and it looks it looked a mess and I Seamus used for training or something or spare parts I don't know [TS]

  but it looked it looked it looked pretty bad and I was just in the corner and that was plane crash course. [TS]

  It looks just like a plane crash [TS]

  and it was tucked right in this like this right angles that we couldn't have looked more color like [TS]

  and I was like you know that is why I was like that's a plane crash corridor and suddenly you it yeah. [TS]

  And we went we even went took Sophie sort of like your impression of me by the way is how I said What are you are you [TS]

  are unusually unusually slow on the uptake but maybe that in a different headspace to me [TS]

  and then let your face lit up when you realized maybe you're just exhausted from begging for those kinds. [TS]

  Yes Yes because you were driving the car and I was pulling the code bases out of the back of the car. [TS]

  Oh yeah and then and when we were dropping them off we had to drop them off stack [TS]

  and so I was driving alone just a couple of miles an hour and you are having to run to catch up [TS]

  and the children of the moving car that was at the Indiana Jones of you know it was a good listener. [TS]

  Yes it was it was very daring of me it's mostly just dirty because those girls were in some kind of typhoid swamp water [TS]

  at the end of the runway shot. Awful awful. [TS]

  It wasn't until I kept thinking of was do you just don't cut your hands on anything here if you don't want this water [TS]

  touching your circulatory system and who knows what's in here. [TS]

  Surgical It was awful but despite despite all of it over again it was it was a very interesting [TS]

  and very very fun day and interesting for me to see you pulling off a project managing a whole bunch of people [TS]

  and just all of this activity going on [TS]

  and in different places throughout the day it was it was it was quite an experience [TS]

  and I'm glad that you invited me up it was one I have to say like like it looks and sounds almost heroic [TS]

  but it was very I mean it was very unusual for me I never do things of disco [TS]

  and the thing that was really different for me [TS]

  and I imagine maybe this is what it's like for people who work on big Hollywood movies. [TS]

  Not that I'm comparing some comparing this to a movie but it was [TS]

  when you start doing something that involves this level of teamwork. You suddenly unaware of like so much stuff. [TS]

  Let me do this because there was a team that was using this big contraption to roll out the paper [TS]

  and they were kind of going ahead and just rolling out the paper [TS]

  and they were dealing with their own sets of problems and things that worked and didn't work and challenges [TS]

  and there was a lot of the time I was with Matt doing sort of filming further down the paper talking about numbers [TS]

  and stuff like that and then there were other little sub teams that were sent off on a mission to go [TS]

  and find more kinds or do this and that but everyone had a really different experience of the day. [TS]

  And like I watched obviously I was watching back the footage from the other people who were helping film like a day [TS]

  or two later and it was just whole things that I'd completely missed about the day [TS]

  and then it was quiet it was quite a new thing for me who's very sort of independent does everything on my own it was [TS]

  quite a new thing and quite and quite different and nice experience to sort of see and I can imagine it. [TS]

  I'm making a film and you have you know a second units going to doing other things and set designers [TS]

  and costume people [TS]

  but there's a whole there's a whole world going on you're unaware of right it was a that was a slightly new experience [TS]

  for me to manage to work in television so putting together the T.V. [TS]

  News so I'm aware of making a program where there are whole elements I had nothing to do with [TS]

  but this was in a different way because I was kind of the boss [TS]

  and had to put the final thing together it was a really weird sensation to not see the drone footage for two [TS]

  or three days and then have it sent to me [TS]

  and it's like a new surprise like days after the event was really it was really weird sensation but you're good at it. [TS]

  Yeah so is that I think Rajat going to be the there is one other one which is sort of in the pipeline [TS]

  but I don't think it will ever happen and once it's confirmed it won't happen I might not talk about it [TS]

  but I can in case it does happen I can't talk about it you know you tell me on not just you know you know that it's not [TS]

  just the secrecy is obviously for security reasons I forgot I'm better than the best friend I have no idea I was [TS]

  talking about. [TS]

  Yeah I can't talk about that one but that would be it wouldn't be as like difficult and as far as grand [TS]

  but it would be maybe catching but other than that oh pretty normal to have been made. [TS]

  Some interesting paper the last few days. Must I didn't tell you about this. I'm a vice president of Google. [TS]

  Oh yeah I'm I met a person one of those people who works at Apple but can't tell you anything about what they do. [TS]

  My first experience of that of most people at Apple. But yeah Yeah and but he seems really important right. [TS]

  And as are all their business cards just say from Apple [TS]

  and there's no title that's how I measure pure white business card and last night I met one of the world's richest man. [TS]

  He's been described as the world's smartest a billionaire I was I was going to ask on Twitter who that was [TS]

  but I thought he came I got hold of Jim Simons Jim Simon and Jim Simons who you know. [TS]

  When hardly anyone's head off he values I went ahead. I'm reaching for Google right now. [TS]

  He used to run a hedge fund that that complete relies completely on mathematics [TS]

  and like it's one of those you know the computer makes the decision [TS]

  and you know millions of transactions are happening every day in trades and and he's he's a mathematician [TS]

  and then he became super super rich by applying algorithms to the markets. [TS]

  So one of the salient thirteen billion [TS]

  or something on the rich twelve point five billion dollars are also incredibly generous incredibly smart. [TS]

  I was I was impressed by him I was impressed by his talk. [TS]

  I respect him for a minute or two afterwards but I was very impressed by him he does not wear socks. [TS]

  Which I found very confusing. [TS]

  OK I have in the back of my head someone had told me that was the case [TS]

  and I think maybe I've also read it somewhere else [TS]

  but did you add it as part of your interview I didn't know I didn't interview him this was just chatting to him [TS]

  but he wears because whenever I make someone who's really really rich like I've met a few really rich people I've met [TS]

  Rupert Murdoch and his sons a few times and stuff I was really fascinated by what they wear in their clothes [TS]

  and say I always like to say they look different to a normal person could you tell that person was a billionaire. [TS]

  If you didn't know they're a billionaire so I was looking at how he dressed he was dressed very normal just normal [TS]

  slacks and a jacket and he was wearing a nice loaf is I'm sure they're expensive Italian life is [TS]

  but I just like nice really nice brown loafers and no socks. [TS]

  I do not know why he doesn't my socks I must ask someone but that was my my abiding memory [TS]

  but I have a few abiding memories of what he said he was very wise and interesting [TS]

  but my abiding memory of what he looked like was he does not wear socks. So that's how he wants to be remembered. [TS]

  I think I think I think he's there I think as a few things he'll be remembered for. [TS]

  He's made a lot of really great mathematical discoveries like he's like [TS]

  but he's got a few things named after him he's he's not he's not a trivial mathematician but then his [TS]

  but then at some point in the seventy's or eighty's or something he said All right let's try this market thing [TS]

  and then he cracked it big time. Would you like to be really really rich. Obviously yes. [TS]

  Who's going to who's going to say no to that people who aren't honest with themselves. [TS]

  Maybe that you know quite practical though [TS]

  and it's no it's no secret that being incredibly rich incredibly rich comes with its own set of problems. [TS]

  Oh yeah of course and quite big problems so on of course you would like a few million dollars [TS]

  and never have to work again [TS]

  but I'm talking billions like would you like to be that kind of guy like you know one of the richest men in the world. [TS]

  Here's here's the thing is I think this James Simons guy this is exactly the kind of way that you want to be rich is [TS]

  almost completely anonymous. [TS]

  Nobody really knows who this person is and I think Bill Gates kind of rich is a whole different story. [TS]

  Gates I don't think there's a place on the face of the earth Bill Gates can go without being recognized as Bill Gates [TS]

  and that is that is a different question do you want to be rich and famous. No no thank you. [TS]

  Fame is not a desirable thing at all. So to be very very wealthy is good as long as you are also not shockingly famous. [TS]

  So that's that's the way I look at many of the downsides of being very wealthy are from other people knowing that you [TS]

  are very wealthy and in particular strangers knowing that you are very wealthy. [TS]

  So yeah I mean strangers knowing you're wealthy raises lots of extra issues [TS]

  and that's a good point you might even like. Even if you're like you know quite an anonymous billionaire. [TS]

  Oh everyone who knows you is going to know that. [TS]

  And that creates an interesting dynamic doesn't it with your friends and your family [TS]

  and this is why billionaires have billionaire friends. [TS]

  This is this is the whole this is the whole thing right is just take as as much as we as a society might like to [TS]

  pretend otherwise it is practically very difficult for someone who actually has billions of dollars to be friends with [TS]

  just normal people like the rest of us. [TS]

  Because the the gap in life is just so enormous that that it is like what are you even going to talk about sometimes. [TS]

  So this is also the same reason why celebrities tend to marry other celebrities is not because that they're oh they [TS]

  think they're better than everybody else and they're super exclusive. [TS]

  It's now this is it this is the orbit of people who understand the kinds of problems that you have if you're a wealthy [TS]

  and famous celebrity and. [TS]

  They can intermingle in a way that that it's harder to mix with people outside of that group of the billionaire the [TS]

  friends the billionaires rich celebrities are friends with rich celebrities [TS]

  and that I think that makes perfect sense so I guess I guess really what I'm saying here is ideally I would like to [TS]

  somehow completely anonymously have billions of dollars [TS]

  and also have nobody know it that would be ideal that be the best situation. [TS]

  Trying to think how I can be absolutely sure you don't have billions of dollars because you wouldn't if anyone was [TS]

  going to keep it a secret. But also I think he wouldn't be doing the podcast. [TS]

  Well this is I think from what the other things that you know about the I would I would still be doing the podcast if I [TS]

  had billions of dollars but I don't I don't think you would. [TS]

  Well this is everything you know about me says that the very fact that I work as much as I do is an indication that I [TS]

  don't have billions of dollars but maybe I'm being really clever this is. [TS]

  Really my cover for having billions of dollars. But it isn't sadly. [TS]