0:00:02Yeah. You collapse. How many would you like I was like three claps.
0:00:07Three in the you're so predictable you say OK now I would like eleven collapse eleven classes how many I want.
0:00:20You're so compliant. I guess what by the way. Well listen I've got something here for you. Yeah.
0:00:30Have you finally decided to have some sort of liquid refreshment in front of you while we are recording not just one I
0:00:38have just opened a third of a day like a third of a bottle of water a very adult type with a very small amount left in
0:00:50it and a bottle of very weird to licorice
0:00:53and chili flavored Danish Like you I was kindly given on a recent trip to Copenhagen
0:00:59but won't possibly drink because I cannot stand the taste of licorice. But they were very kind to give it to me.
0:01:06So excluding the alcoholic drink you really have one and two thirds of the drink in front of you.
0:01:13That's about and I know you're trying to make it sound impressive to make up for your lack of sustenance last time
0:01:20but if I was to have a bag of puppy traits and a candle.
0:01:24But the trees are there for an emergency that would be quite an emergency. How is R.J. Is she all right.
0:01:32She is excellent.
0:01:33She's downstairs today I've graduated to leaving her
0:01:36and Lulu downstairs together they seem to be getting along well already sometimes snuggles up
0:01:42and goes to sleep under there which is exceptionally cute you have already answered the question that I was going to
0:01:48have for you when that I had feedback from several people who wanted to know how the two dogs were getting together
0:01:54but you have already answered this with sound like they're getting along quite well. So what you are getting messages.
0:02:00Asking how Brady herons two dogs are getting along.
0:02:02Basically that that was from my parents they could not believe that on the last episode that you did not specify how
0:02:08the dogs were getting along they were very concerned about how Lulu was handling the whole situation.
0:02:13So no when asking for them. Lulu is handling it very well.
0:02:17She your parents by the way can just email me if they want to know anything of the them that I will answer their emails
0:02:23send the pictures out to all that stuff you know I will tell you I know you well so they might take you up on that that
0:02:31they get along really well.
0:02:32Lulay obviously being a big Greyhound looks ridiculous next to tiny little ot the child
0:02:37but there is normally indifferent but they seem to be getting out.
0:02:41They seem to be getting closer over time you know if Lucy lies down.
0:02:45Well she would sometimes go up and go to sleep against her.
0:02:48It's too cute for words that I as always will expect pictures.
0:02:55If what you wish for been a follow up from Matt from the extravaganza finale to me recently.
0:03:06Yes Yes We talked about many things on that episode
0:03:11but the one thing I just wanted to bring up was some people on the Reddit came up with the term for what we were
0:03:18talking about which was last time we were discussing Otto as a potential word to describe self driving cars
0:03:25but that I kept saying it has a linguistic conflict with German and as I have also heard since then Dutch
0:03:32and a few other languages use auto as their word for car and the term for this or four words that sound the same
0:03:40but have different meanings in different languages is false friends.
0:03:45So that is the term for what we were describing
0:03:48and as always there is a Wikipedia page which lists a bunch of false friends.
0:03:54But the example that I particularly like is from a Dutch advertisement that they have on the page.
0:04:00Age which reads is a picture of this little girl who's standing in a field
0:04:04and next to her there are the words Mama die die die and in Dutch that translates as Mom I want I want I want
0:04:15and it is a yogurt commercial so the child is actually requesting yogurt not the death of her mother
0:04:21but DI is an example of false friends there for those two words before I bring up the pronunciation of your good versus
0:04:30bad can I just ask because it's not immediately jumping into my mind was a cold false friends.
0:04:37That's that that term doesn't immediately make sense to me as why does it is obvious to you I think that the friends is
0:04:45supposed to be friends as opposed to be like a hominem they're their friends because these words sound the same.
0:04:52So you would assume that they mean the same thing you know they had their false friends that's the way I interpret it.
0:04:59Maybe that was really obvious to everyone but it wasn't it wasn't to me I think it sounds better than false hominids.
0:05:04That's just not as fun as a false friend.
0:05:05I did it I think I just don't think that's a good term for I don't know I feel like we have a consistent theme on the
0:05:12show being displeased with the words for something and then trying to come up with our own words.
0:05:18Do you have if you have an alternative to just make sure you are not referring I don't think Shanae like that could be
0:05:23like a thing we do one day. Like Aaron dictionary because that's what we're working towards ultimately here isn't it.
0:05:27Basically a week if we keep this up long enough there will be a large enough vocabulary of hello internet specific
0:05:34words on the topic of autos of all the of all of your firmly held positions on this pod cast.
0:05:43That seems to be the one that so far has brought the most disagreement even from your fans. I can use that term.
0:05:52Has your position wavered at all on that on the debate.
0:05:55Your insistence that self driving cars should be called auto stuff must.
0:06:00Appropriate name for them if a name must be coined.
0:06:02Well again it is on my insistence that everybody uses this this word this is this is my pet or this
0:06:08and this is my push I should say for the word in English to describe self driving cars
0:06:13and yes I read through all the Reddit comments and I see this does drive people kind of crazy
0:06:19but just like on our podcast in the red it I was also asking can people give me specific reasons why they don't think
0:06:27this is a good idea.
0:06:29And every example that I saw just seemed incredibly contrived of where this could possibly cause any kind of conflict
0:06:37so you know I remember now because I like your position on this because your position is it's only a problem if it's
0:06:42going to cause some fundamental like mistake like going to the parking lot
0:06:48and driving away in the wrong order in the wrong path.
0:06:51Confusion can be more subtle than the sort of black and white mistakes of wrong
0:06:57and right to can just be a general well what are we talking about here kind of vagueness.
0:07:03Even that confusion should be avoided.
0:07:05I guess we need to change the Dutch word for I want to then because there's a lot of confusion there over whether
0:07:11or not people are requesting things or instructing death to their conversational Q.
0:07:17No I think if the term I want had never been thought of before in Dutch
0:07:23and they were coming up with a new word they probably would avoid the word die.
0:07:28Yes I bet they would because this is this is much more severe.
0:07:32This is going back to the river looping back into safe argument with my son. I've heard of it or remain unconvinced.
0:07:41I CAN YOU ARE YOU are a better person because you are more concerned that I most certainly am not.
0:07:47You said you'll get I know you said you know you get younger
0:07:51and I said I was brought up saying you know you get to be in a strata that I've gradually had slipped out of me by the
0:07:58Brits to the point where I think I now am more.
0:08:00Like they say you look at you you obviously have not had that slipped out of me I don't think this is just come up very
0:08:08much. You know they do eat a lot of younger.
0:08:11Yeah there probably is there probably is a bit of yogurt consumption in this house.
0:08:15My wife likes them so that this is not this is not come up but I would stick with yogurt yogurt.
0:08:21Sounds ridiculous to me. I think you have to be very posh to pull that off. Now speaking of things that are ridiculous.
0:08:30You did what can only be described as a ridiculous job in trying to market at the last podcast.
0:08:39Yes Yes Not only was it at the end of the podcast but for some crazy amount of blank space
0:08:46or we discussed it just to make sure no one heard.
0:08:51You probably edit this that knowing you said let's just forget about it and you know it is it is true.
0:08:57Here at the start of season three might be a good time to inform people that we have very excellent.
0:09:02Hello Internet teachers that you can now purchase to help support the show.
0:09:06But yes I save this for the end of the previous podcast
0:09:11and then I mean honestly just just through my own mistake I accidentally had this enormous amount of blank space at the
0:09:18end of the podcast before we actually talked about that section.
0:09:23And so I do not know how many people actually got there. I will say we still sold a bunch of T.
0:09:29Shirts but I'm betting that there are a lot of people who just who missed that part of it.
0:09:34So I do apologize for my terrible editing skills though I do have one tiny thing to say in my defense which is that I
0:09:44have been trying out overcast lately as my main pod cast client I have a kitten I did write a little article on my own
0:09:53blog recommending people use particular podcast clients because I see all the time people in the Reddit say.
0:10:00How they listen on the Web site or they download the M P three files.
0:10:04And this is this is just the worst possible experience you could ever have listening to a podcast.
0:10:09You should totally get a podcast client. If you aren't listening to the sound of my voice on one right now.
0:10:16They're just such a such a better experience.
0:10:19And there are three that I recommend depending on your needs in that article.
0:10:23But anyway I am temporarily trying out over cast of my main podcast client
0:10:29and I do the final listen of the show in overcast
0:10:34but overcast has a feature which cuts out the majority of all of the silent spaces to kind of make the podcast
0:10:41listening go faster.
0:10:42So I'm going to partly blame overcast because it would make it harder to notice that there was a big gap of silent
0:10:49space at the end because overcast would cut out a bunch of that
0:10:52but overcast doesn't cut out all of that so I do have to acknowledge that it was also a large part just my own stupid
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0:12:40We have we have blown through the follow up at incredible pace.
0:12:45There's been there's been a lot of news happening in the last couple of weeks actually.
0:12:50Can I cannot drop in a place of yes. Yup sure it wasn't on our list but it is quite easy it even made national news.
0:12:57It made international news and it will have been asking me about it
0:13:02and asked if I would mention it on the podcast so I will.
0:13:06There was a huge fire at the University of nothing
0:13:09and oh yeah yeah people know I work with the University of Nottingham chemistry department on periodic videos they are
0:13:17building a new chemistry building a really expensive state of the posh building and.
0:13:24A few days ago now it caught fire and burned to the ground. It was it was seventy percent complete.
0:13:31It wasn't yet open there was no wind
0:13:33and if I happened not no one was hurt that this building that I've been really proud of I'm really looking forward to
0:13:40opening early next year.
0:13:43Burnt to the ground and it was such a spectacular fire that it was on the news and people around the world e-mailing
0:13:48and tweeting
0:13:49and messaging about it they all thought it was the actual proper chemistry building where we do all our filming
0:13:55and like Emma chemistry is done. But just I think when it was in that building.
0:14:00It's business as usual at the chemist's in Nottingham.
0:14:04But then you do it and they're going to rebuild it but it's going to give it away now and no one was hurt
0:14:10but the future of science has been set back through the hopefully not too much.
0:14:14Several years now how long was he how long did it take to get to where it was
0:14:17and how long it's going to take to rebuild. I think I've been doing for over a year now.
0:14:22I don't think it would take us long.
0:14:23Second time around I guess because certain foundations are in place and presumably they affected
0:14:30but they still don't know how the fire started what caused it with the design changes need to be made
0:14:36or it was just bad luck or bad people or what So it is too early to say
0:14:42but they're already coming out very strongly saying it's all going to it's going to happen again.
0:14:46That's going to that's going to start again.
0:14:50I just post a video today which Grahame linked with the professor talking all about it so if people want to find out
0:14:56more and see some pictures and footage of the fire they can they can have a look at that.
0:15:01But just for people in Boston people who might know about it and know that I have a a loose association there.
0:15:08That's what happened it wasn't the main chemistry building is the main message it was it was a new building.
0:15:13You went up with that in the show that's for people to see the fire the really big story is we're recording now
0:15:19and something we discussed in the last episode is the Scottish independence referendum.
0:15:25Yes So we are recording this on the morning of the nineteenth which is
0:15:31when the results are in for the Scottish independence referendum
0:15:34and on the off chance that you haven't already seen this on the news which seems probably unlikely.
0:15:40Vote has come in as a no
0:15:43and I think the last time I thought about it was about fifty five percent no to forty five percent yes on independence.
0:15:51So Scotland has chosen to remain a part of the United Kingdom.
0:15:55How do you feel about as we discussed last time this kind of.
0:16:00The issue is a funny issue to talk about if you yourself are not Scottish.
0:16:05It's sort of not my business which way Scotland goes I don't have a vote I don't think I should have a vote
0:16:12and it is a decision that the Scottish people are to make and should really have any input in that
0:16:20but it was funny because last night I happened to wake up at about three in the morning
0:16:27and just just couldn't get back to sleep
0:16:29and I was happen sometimes now that I'm an old man of integrity we should on the podcast
0:16:34and we should have that would have been great I'm sure my wife
0:16:37and neighbours would have loved me talking really loudly in the main room of our flat until morning.
0:16:45Maybe not maybe not so much but yeah so we were up at the same time.
0:16:49Well anyway so when I was awake I happened to then remember oh right the Scottish independence referendum.
0:16:57I wonder if the results are in.
0:16:58So I went online to check and basically at the point that I checked it was initially you know was in the lead
0:17:07but as the results were coming in it was swinging closer and closer to.
0:17:11Yes And at that moment I found myself thinking like boy I really realize right now how much I don't want this to happen
0:17:20you know it's always different when when things are real like it's easier to be neutral
0:17:25when you're further away from the event.
0:17:28But when it is three thirty in the morning
0:17:29and as we said last time even though we don't live in Scotland that would still affect us quite a lot.
0:17:36I was getting a little nervous that maybe this would actually tip over into a yes vote again if that's what Scotland
0:17:41wanted that would have been totally fine.
0:17:43But it it reminded me of I don't know if you know this this trick
0:17:49but there is a trick sometimes if you are deciding between two options where Tell me if you've heard this before
0:17:57but let's let's say Oh I'm trying to trying to figure out what you want four.
0:18:00Our dinner and we're going to go get a talian or are we going to go get Indian
0:18:04and you can't decide the trick is to flip a coin
0:18:08and as soon as the coin is in the air you kind of instantly know which of the two you actually wanted to be
0:18:17and if you've ever tried this. Sound familiar to you.
0:18:21I've not heard yet so sounds familiar of my head I can I can imagine that being the case that I have definitely done
0:18:28this and I'm always surprised that it works because you are on this watching sport.
0:18:33If there's two teams playing
0:18:34and I don't have a sort of preordained allegiance to one of them people who I say who are going to be going for in the
0:18:40big game and I never really know. And as soon as the game stops that you know within the first second of the game.
0:18:47No I just know who I want to win not because of anything that's happened it's just it just crystallizes in my head.
0:18:54Yeah I think that is the exact same thing.
0:18:56It seems like there's some funny architecture in the brain that refuses to consider things until they are actually real
0:19:03and then suddenly says we're going to make a decision on this and boom here's our decision.
0:19:07I definitely felt that way
0:19:09when the results were actually coming in it was crystallize that I was a very strong if you know if I can control the
0:19:15way the universe works I would want this vote to turn out to be No I have to say
0:19:18when I woke up this morning the first thing I did was check the news and see what the situation was
0:19:24and I was relieved that the vote came in as you know I'm glad that Scotland has chosen to stay.
0:19:31Just a funny thing
0:19:32when we spoke about it last time I felt that we probably both had that ever so slight bias even they were even though
0:19:39as we both say it's not really our business. I've almost went a little bit the other way.
0:19:45I mean we I really wanted to stay
0:19:48and some people who didn't follow particularly closely the polls for quite a long time we're making it look like it was
0:19:55going to be another Scott that was going to stay in the union and then.
0:20:00Week before the referendum happen the polls started to close and then started to look like maybe the U.S.
0:20:06Fight was going to was going to get there and they were going to break away
0:20:09and people started seriously considering hang on this might happen.
0:20:14So I started thinking about it seriously and I think thinking through the repercussions and how I felt about it
0:20:21and I think I can manage to convince myself that it wouldn't be as bad as I thought
0:20:26and I actually started to see you know I started looking for positives to some of them were very selfish positives.
0:20:33But other ones which is more general
0:20:36and by the time the vote was happening yesterday I was actually thinking actually will be a really good thing if they
0:20:42do it.
0:20:43It's not as bad as everyone says it's not as it's not as big a catastrophe
0:20:46and there are actually a lot of good things about it.
0:20:49And
0:20:50when the results did come through you know it was a it was a no Scott going to Stang part of me was relieved I guess like
0:20:57that coin toss part of me thought I can I am glad.
0:21:00But another part of me thought this is a missed opportunity because the saying May you live in interesting times.
0:21:06I think there's something to be said for being around I think would be a really exciting to be living in the United
0:21:11Kingdom at a time that part of it was being cleaved off.
0:21:15I remember a friend of mine many years ago happened to be in Berlin when the Berlin Wall came down
0:21:20and always talked about how exciting it was to be there and be part of history and
0:21:24and I'm not comparing this to the Berlin Wall coming down but you know there's something to be said for being around
0:21:30and experiencing interesting times.
0:21:32And instead you know they don't say May you experience status quo that that's what we're going to experience.
0:21:39Well maybe let's circle back to status quo
0:21:42but I'm curious before I before I move onto Parr what are your what were your selfish reasons for wanting a yes vote.
0:21:49Because I'm on the opposite side I have selfish reasons for wanting a no vote.
0:21:54But I'm curious what your selfish reasons are for wanting hours coming up with all sorts of all sorts of tenure.
0:22:00Things I mean give me a couple I'm curious. Well I mean I wouldn't mind the pound weakening just at the moment.
0:22:08Oh yeah that is because of a little income coming from the U.S. and I'm taking an absolute hammering on that.
0:22:15So that's a very short term kind of a you know there are many things other than the vision of vision the risk
0:22:22and effect currencies. I took his US cheque at the bank today on the day that the pound strengthened by four percent.
0:22:30I don't know I think a lot of the things that are out it's more a case that are lower you know I was clutching at
0:22:37straws
0:22:39and I think it's exciting Scotland today a separate country you know visiting it would be a slightly different experience
0:22:47and I go to Scotland a reasonable amount and I think it would add a degree of excitement to think of it.
0:22:54Clinician I was thinking Oh I like that I live in the same country is Edinburgh and yes and the Highlands but then
0:23:00and then I thought well that's stupid because I love Paris to it doesn't matter that Paris isn't part of the country I
0:23:06live in the mountains to go there and in fact it's more exciting to go there when it's a different country. So.
0:23:13So I think the main thing is I just think it would have been an interesting thing to live through.
0:23:17I like living through interesting times.
0:23:21I cannot tell a really tangental story here is that over time you know go ahead get out
0:23:28or this is a good life lesson that before I took the milk
0:23:33and I think probably I was going to drink to give you the sound effect
0:23:36and I dunno probably So I still have to do another crack. There we go.
0:23:41And let me have a sit here here's Brady story people love drinking fountain parka and spare my blushes.
0:23:54I thank you and I'll give you a really good one.
0:24:02Many many are used to there was barely time to silently drinking my coffee just to show I do drink silently like I had
0:24:13been drinking during this podcast already many years ago I was in Bangkok
0:24:20and I was there with I was traveling with an ex-girlfriend of well she was my cargo for at the time she is now an
0:24:26ex-girlfriend and we read something in the paper always saw somewhere that there was going to be some boats
0:24:35or something happening on the river and we thought you were going to have a look at that
0:24:41and we'd only been traveling around and going to the temples and doing all the tourist things that you do in Bangkok
0:24:45and we thought I don't think I can handle another day walking around in the crazy city.
0:24:50Let's just go to an air conditioned shopping center and buy some T. Shirts and that's what we did.
0:24:57The next day we looked at the paper
0:25:00and it turns out these boats on the water thing was this special thing that only happens like once every ten years
0:25:08or something where there's all these special barges and gold and boats and things like that that belong to the king
0:25:16and they get them all out in this huge flotilla and the king himself gets on his grand
0:25:21but that only comes out once in a blue moon and all of the paper to the city come and cheer
0:25:26and it's like this incredible once in a lifetime thing that people travel the world to go
0:25:30and say because it's so incredible and it happened to be on while we were in Bangkok and we didn't go on say it.
0:25:39And ever since then I have often thought like Don't miss out on interesting things because you're lazy
0:25:47or because you want to maintain the status quo or have the easy path and maybe it's that way with Scotland.
0:25:53Like it seems like all if Scotland is showing off it could be bad for us and bad things could happen.
0:26:01But maybe we also met a really interesting thing and something to tell your grandkids about.
0:26:06I remember when Scotland broke off I was there I was living in England at the time and all this happened
0:26:10and it citrus cetera.
0:26:13And I suddenly thought Scotland lazing must just be an exciting thing like the boats on the river
0:26:21and it would be a shame to miss it because of what happened and what happened in our lifetime now is that crazy.
0:26:28You've been very quiet. I just I am so angry about the drinking thing now. Sometimes I don't understand your stories.
0:26:39Thank goodness I think.
0:26:43Wait wait so you didn't see a thing in Bangkok which could have been interesting so Scotland should be independent
0:26:51but I also know that your vacations now you don't go see anything.
0:26:55But isn't that same logic and I don't go and don't bring in previous conversations that just come to mind
0:27:01and I didn't mean to tough it out because I was trying to follow the the metaphorical thread.
0:27:09Well I don't know I just made me think of it maybe it was a bad link but.
0:27:13I can sort of say in my head like really often you know a lot of people don't do things
0:27:20or don't want things to happen because they don't like change
0:27:25or they don't want to disrupt their plans they already have or they don't want to disrupt their life
0:27:29and I think nine times out of ten when you just when something does happen or you do something
0:27:35or change happens it's for the best. You know you and I could both be living in the cities we were born in.
0:27:40Right now if we didn't if we didn't at some point show a bit of gumption
0:27:45and say no that's changed let's let's change our surroundings and do something different
0:27:49and you can easily just stay where you are and think what life is OK here and I could move to England
0:27:54or move somewhere else and it could all go wrong. But we did and I think. Turned our on.
0:28:04Things turned out for the best. It has turned out for the best.
0:28:07I just it just suddenly occurred to me I think it could be just even just as a spectator it could be exciting if
0:28:13Scotland left and I shouldn't worry so much about about it.
0:28:19Anyway it's not happening now because I'm going to know if I have any now.
0:28:22But
0:28:23but talking about talking about change does bring us back to to one of the points which is that I don't necessarily think
0:28:29that this means that the status quo is going to be the case.
0:28:33And now of course well that's because the Westminster politicians got so scared that Scotland were going to leave they
0:28:39promised them a whole bunch of powers and extra DE Volution anyway.
0:28:44Yes Yes This is the sort of gets into the weeds of British politics which are.
0:28:49Very strange especially if you're an American. The way this whole system is set up.
0:28:55But yes Scotland was promised a bunch of
0:28:58but you used the word evolution which is a constant topic of conversation in U.K.
0:29:04Politics because unlike a country like America where the founders got together and they wrote out a document
0:29:11and they said OK well here are the rules and this is the way this is going to work
0:29:15and here is how much power the states have and here is how much power the federal government has
0:29:18and we've written it all down and at least when we change rules
0:29:22or we have amendments it happens everywhere all at once. A parliamentary government like the U.K.
0:29:28Nothing like that you have this this just stack of papers that goes back a thousand years
0:29:36and each piece of paper is some new rule or some exception to a previous rule
0:29:41or it's there because of a particular circumstance that happened at the time
0:29:46and then you can get a toehold out on a Thursday and things
0:29:49and you also end up with I mean some of the things like that I've been researching is like these ruled it happened
0:29:55because Scotland was independent for a while but then it came back and won.
0:30:00Or the circumstances under which it comes back and I like the thing that people get mad about
0:30:05and my videos are sometimes i don't show whales on the map but when I show the U.K.
0:30:11and That's because for a while Wales was just subsumed into England and then it reappeared years later
0:30:16but you have all of this crazy stuff that has happened over history
0:30:20and because of that you have this weird collection of what are the rules in these particular places
0:30:27and do evolution now is used to talk about what local powers do the various four countries England Scotland Wales
0:30:37and Northern Ireland of the U.K.
0:30:39Actually have and it sounds crazy to an American
0:30:42but they have different levels of power like say like Scotland controls its own education system whereas the way I was
0:30:50education system is controlled from England and right of married into the English one.
0:30:54Right which is where like when I got qualified to teach in England I was automatically qualified to teach in Wales
0:31:01but not Scotland. If I if I wanted to teach in Scotland I would have to go through another process to get approved.
0:31:07And also Scotland Scotland has their own like the N.H.S.
0:31:11Works in the National Health Service works differently in Scotland
0:31:14and the what is it the National Trust like the store. There's all of these things which you think are U.K.
0:31:22Wide but actually Scotland has their own version.
0:31:25So in this in the devolution actually Scotland has the most amount of power wells
0:31:31and Northern Ireland have some power but not as much of Scotland and the thing that seems almost crazy
0:31:38when you try to explain to people is that England has no power in devolution
0:31:43and say wait a most people living that is in England the most powerful one being gracious given it doesn't make any
0:31:49sense at all when you explain it but you have to remember these are all particular circumstances
0:31:54and so there's a lot of talk now about well if we're giving Scotland more.
0:32:00Power in terms of devolution in terms of what can they control that the U.K. National parliament can't override.
0:32:07Maybe it's time to to basically start over and write a new Act of Union
0:32:14and say look let's let's make this consistent between the four countries of the U.K.
0:32:19and How much power are they going to have and what is the national What should be handled at the national level
0:32:24and what should be handled at.
0:32:26Again I keep saying the country level because that's the right term
0:32:28but if you're an American the equivalent of the state level
0:32:32and I'm very interested in this I might my mind is a topic I have thought about very often of doing a video on because
0:32:40there are just there are lots of weird quirks about how the system works
0:32:43but it seems like it is definitely overdue for some kind of change with how how the power is distributed whether
0:32:52federalizing it.
0:32:54Yeah that's that's usually the term that it uses is making it into a formal federalized system which as a general
0:33:02principle I would I would be behind that. You know the notion is that the U.K.
0:33:07National parliament would be limited to things that concern all four countries so maintaining the military maintaining
0:33:13the currency but it would not be responsible for things like the education system.
0:33:20How the health system is handled in each of the countries in that that would be up to them as individual pieces.
0:33:25So I don't necessarily think that that we are headed into an interesting times.
0:33:32I think there is a lot that could be improved and may very well be improved if we are going going forward
0:33:39and as I said totally should happen.
0:33:41Give Scotland the additional devolution powers that they were promised during the referendum.
0:33:46Surely like Scotland like rebelling
0:33:48and leaving the union is more interesting then maybe that's going to be a whole bunch of laws
0:33:54and federalization things past that stands. Yeah sure it'll be an interesting I guess if you're.
0:34:00Not interested in that kind of stuff it sounds uninteresting I agree yes of course Scotland leaving is much more
0:34:05dramatic but I don't I don't think that this is necessarily the status quo.
0:34:11I was listening to the radio and the other thing that's been discussed obviously is if this happens
0:34:16and they start going down this kind of federalization route there are other things to be considered as well.
0:34:21For example the north of England which also feels quite sort of separate from the London Westminster bubble.
0:34:31There's talk about will power some powers be devolved to the regions of England as well so I guess there's a bit of
0:34:37bandwagon jumping going on at this point
0:34:41and all the sort of interest groups in parts of England are all sort of crying out now as well saying well if we're
0:34:46going to start doling out powers to people can we have a bit more control over destiny
0:34:51and not just be controlled by London. Nigel thing isn't it. You know oh I mean this is this is you know a lot of.
0:35:00They get one when I look at political stories.
0:35:02I often think that it's much it's often much less about a particular left right divide as it is often a major
0:35:11metropolitan areas vs non major metropolitan areas divide.
0:35:16Yeah I think that is often the the problem that people actually care about
0:35:22and maybe that gets tangled up in this other notion of left versus right.
0:35:28But there's no way to deny it that that the handling say transportation in the north of England is an entirely
0:35:35different question than how do you handle transportation in zone one of London the absolute center of the city.
0:35:42You cannot possibly have a as a same solution for both of those areas
0:35:49and that depending on how the federalization would work out I think it would totally make sense to say the North of
0:35:55England has devolved powers to handle certain things that make sense for that region to handle.
0:36:00Then it doesn't make sense for all of England to vote as a single block and what I think is that the U.K.
0:36:05Is actually quite lopsided with London because if you you know roughly sixty million people in the U.K.
0:36:13And again Ball Park ing it you can say there's about ten million people who live in the London Metropolitan area
0:36:19and so you have a country with like one sixth of the population broadly speaking lives in the capital city that that
0:36:27gets to a very strange system when you're trying to work out well what's what's going to happen
0:36:32when you're voting on particular issues so I could definitely I could see a very reasoned argument for those places
0:36:39having having more power but
0:36:40but this is always the problem you know in home patter that are where you are like oh you know I grew up in New York
0:36:46and.
0:36:47New York State politics was always the same problem right it was the downstate area which is Long Island
0:36:53and New York City versus everybody else which is upstate just as rural wasteland of cows
0:37:02and occasional farmers eking out a living among the rocks you know like
0:37:07but this is just this is just the problem that you have. He said that he will relieved that Scotland voted no.
0:37:18Why were you late. Why are you glad Scott on a stamp out of the Union.
0:37:21OK OK the most selfish reason is it feels like I got out of a homework assignment which was having to redo my U.K.
0:37:29Explained via you for having us any good.
0:37:34No no no but you see that currency reason might only that situation can change over the course of months
0:37:41but I will never be out from under the shadow of my U.K.
0:37:44Explain video that thing will always be my most popular most looming video
0:37:49and so the thought of having to redo that was not a pleasant thought I'd look at the one they think some of the
0:37:54mistakes and Norroway their mistakes do not go away at me but I also.
0:38:01The thought of trying to redo that again was very unpleasant it's a bit like it's a bit like remaking Star Wars like
0:38:10what am I going to do I'm going to go back and well you know I really wanted Northern Ireland to shoot first
0:38:16and you know that was the way it was always supposed to be
0:38:18and I'll never be the same kind of thing that the original was so I just I was not looking forward to doing that so if
0:38:27anyone would be the episode in which great companions you can explain to us
0:38:34but not that it is one of my selfish reasons I thought oh man who took it didn't care today.
0:38:41I'll give you that up this is like like a school snow day like man I just cut it out of a whole bunch of work out
0:38:46and I want to do it if they had voted yes. How soon would you started work on the new video.
0:38:53I would have had to wait until I knew what the situation was going to be again because of my production cycle.
0:39:01I cannot really make a timely video so I would probably wait until it was really sorted out what is the relationship
0:39:09between these places going to be.
0:39:11I could answer a bunch of the questions I would want to answer in the video I wouldn't want to do anything that was
0:39:16somewhat speculative.
0:39:18Had Westminster officials not given you sort of off the record break things in anticipation of you having to remake
0:39:24that video.
0:39:24No unfortunately unfortunately not now though I did have I did have a plan which I've had ever since I even heard about
0:39:31the Scottish independence referendum which was now of course it won't happen so I can talk about it on the show
0:39:37but I owned save the Union Jack dot com for I don't know two years
0:39:44or three years because I would if the independence referendum had gone yes I was going to go all in on a campaign to
0:39:52preserve the design of the Union Jack and to not remove the blue elements from it and I.
0:40:00As I was going to make a video promoting this I was going to have a website I was going to try to arrange write to your
0:40:06local minister campaign because I thought I would if if this does happen if there is independence I am very strongly
0:40:14behind the notion that the flag should remain the same
0:40:17but that that has that has not occurred so I don't have to do that's another bit of work that I got out of that was
0:40:23that like a business decision
0:40:24or was this just your passion for flags was that you know the touristic this is just my passion for flight you know I
0:40:30can imagine that would be a wildly popular video.
0:40:34Well I mean this is this is this is the weird scale of things right like I did mention before
0:40:39and I think sometimes by doing videos on English politics
0:40:42and compared to many of the other things on my on my list that is not going to be as popular as other stuff can
0:40:49possibly be but you know I like to make the videos that interest me
0:40:53and so the flat that one it would definitely be a passion project
0:40:57and I would really want to keep things the way they were with the flag I felt I felt really strong.
0:41:04Did you cut from the last episode because you cut my really boring stories.
0:41:09The staffer that they destroy you know friend them.
0:41:14You know honestly I don't remember if I cut that or not it sounds like something I would cut didn't go anywhere.
0:41:20Yeah well most of my stuff doesn't go anywhere but you keep some of it. Sometimes I do have.
0:41:24Yeah I did like the last amazing story about the one I looked up more about on a vacation once
0:41:31and then it was just like the time Australia should have voted for independence
0:41:34or love your thing a little bit Maine now I'm sorry.
0:41:39In one nine hundred ninety nine there was a strategy had the referendum about becoming a republic in ditching the
0:41:47quaint and I don't want to be controversial
0:41:50but I think it's pretty fair to say that the majority of Australians want to become a republic. But the referendum.
0:42:00I failed. Astray did not become a republic.
0:42:03Most people think that there could be an argument made here
0:42:06but a lot of people certainly think the reason it failed was because the pro republican movement had their vote split.
0:42:14Because
0:42:14when it was put to a vote the only option Australians were given was to have a president appointed by a two thirds
0:42:23majority of the parliament the elected representative so it wouldn't be a popularly elected president it would be an
0:42:31appointment by the politicians.
0:42:33Right so my dear Prime Minister we're not different to a prime minister actually brain is meant many many countries
0:42:41have again mindblowing three Americans. This kind of president role which is very separate from a prime minister.
0:42:47ROVE Yeah well one of the head of one is a head of state and one of them is the head of government.
0:42:52Yes
0:42:53and this was a little bit different to that I don't think this Astrarium president would've we still would've had a prime
0:42:59minister who was more powerful than the president anyway.
0:43:03How about a lot of the pro republican movement didn't want that they wanted a popularly elected president not the
0:43:09American model.
0:43:10Right
0:43:11and because of this split those people who didn't vote for the Republican cause it wasn't the Republic they wanted
0:43:18and I think the anti Republic people quite clever and engineered it to happen that way.
0:43:23Misplaced the vote they won the day and there hasn't been another vote since.
0:43:30I'm wondering whether
0:43:31or not there's any element of any element of sort of sabotage of the Scotland vote went on Hughie who sort of had some
0:43:40nice conspiracy theories in the last episode
0:43:44but it doesn't seem to doesn't seem quite that way to me it seems like that this is more of an accurate reflection of
0:43:50what the people of Scotland wanted.
0:43:54There was a fear mongering towards the end with a saying of Scotland if you leave you know your economy is going to
0:43:58collapse and all that. This is going to lave and you have to pay more for a loaf of bread and things.
0:44:04Yeah I mean there's always that that kind of scare mongering I mean
0:44:07when I thought about doing a Scottish independence video the one the one fact that I always thought was pertinent to
0:44:15this discussion which I actually forgot to bring up
0:44:17when we were talking about the last time before the vote the push for Scottish independence was always partly hinge ing
0:44:24on this notion of immediate acceptance into the European Union
0:44:28and this is this is what Scotland was sold as a basically we are going to leave the United Kingdom
0:44:34and then you know there's a special velvet ropes off section for Scotland to enter immediately into the European Union
0:44:41and the European Union parliament was really clear that this was not the case that Scotland would have to go through
0:44:49the regular process just like everybody else and that was that was one factor they always felt was a bit.
0:44:56Played down by the yes to independence movement is is oh you know oh don't worry Scotland is not going to be by herself
0:45:04on the world stage Scotland Scotland is going to be part of this massive European Union
0:45:10and the European Union was well well well well you know we have a lot of problems already with small countries that
0:45:18have joined
0:45:19and you know maybe we're going to want to test you just like all the others to see if this brand new zero year old
0:45:25country can handle itself before we actually want to lead it into the European Union.
0:45:30So I always thought that was that was not a scaremongering mongering fact
0:45:35but I think that that is a very relevant facts that would change people's votes because yes if it if the European Union
0:45:42was oh don't worry we have open arms Scotland can come around
0:45:45and that is totally changes the situation of how how do you actually want to vote.
0:45:50That makes a yes vote much more likely.
0:45:52But as many people pointed out in the Reddit discussion which I just want to highlight what I was saying last time
0:45:58about how there are no.
0:46:00Details and this making me wonder if if the people who are in favor of it were trying to scuttle it.
0:46:05Many people rightly pointed out that not having details for your plan is also just the correct debating tactic.
0:46:13If if you are kind of on the opposing side.
0:46:18For example you know if you are the minority party you say oh we want to improve the health care situation in our
0:46:24country
0:46:24but you don't give details about it because you want people to go along with well of course I'm for improving the
0:46:30health care system and I think the current system is rubbish.
0:46:32So let's vote for the guys who are in favor of improving it.
0:46:35And you don't say what the specifics are because you don't want your opponent to be able to shoot down why your reasons
0:46:42won't work. Keep yourself a small target. Yes that's exactly what you wanted.
0:46:46It's like decreasing the surface area of exposure by not mentioning specific So yeah I am with you from from everything
0:46:53that I can tell unlike what it sounds like happened with the Australian vote or unlike what happened with the the U. K.
0:46:59Vote on the voting system itself and this seems like it's a pretty genuine reflection of what the people wanted
0:47:07and so I feel very very comfortable in saying like Scotland has chosen to stay
0:47:12and that this seems an accurate representation of the will of the majority of Scottish people.
0:47:18Where is the line drawn for groups of people that can just decide to leave a country.
0:47:25I know you've got a very famous video about Texas seceding from the union
0:47:29and I'm not for a second suggesting that Scotland doesn't have the right to have this vote.
0:47:35They're pretty clearly delineated group part of the United Kingdom
0:47:41but like you know what's to stop you know me help having a vote
0:47:45and saying OK Brady in my house here is you know leaving the United Kingdom where where where is this line drawn this
0:47:53is this is just like it sort of like my oh my how many countries are there video it.
0:48:00It is very hard to know precisely where these lines are drawn and there is no way to to clearly define this.
0:48:09I have the independence movements are kind of the sort of a hobby of mine.
0:48:16I'm always very interested in groups trying to break off from from their main countries
0:48:24and one of the things I find endlessly fascinating is speculating on independence movements that failed in the United
0:48:30States.
0:48:31There are numerous times that various parts of the United States
0:48:35or various groups in the United States try to break away from that country as a whole and were unsuccessful.
0:48:41And if you look at the North American continent it has the lowest countries per Continental ratio of anybody of to less
0:48:48of course counting Australia which I think doesn't exactly count.
0:48:52I do just find that very interesting of what is what is this group
0:48:55but I think it really just comes down to a question of Is your group large enough that it is able to exert its will on
0:49:05the international stage either through military means
0:49:09or just through cultural means that like that is the bottom line is your group able to do this.
0:49:16And some groups are and some groups aren't. I don't think I'm there yet. I don't think we're there yet either.
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0:51:24There's been a lot of technology in years and I know you
0:51:28and I love technology podcasts although we don't consider this to be a technology podcast
0:51:33but it's going to have to be a little bit today because it's all been happening.
0:51:37Yeah so this is this is this episode is basically one hundred percent topical I think because a bunch of stuff has just
0:51:43happened either exactly today or in the past couple of days and we want to talk about all of it.
0:51:48So the Scottish referendum was the first on that list and we
0:51:50and then we have a few technology things that that we'd like to talk about the Kindle.
0:51:55Yes the Kindle I feel like and I feel like I should have a Kindle corner on. The show came about that all the time.
0:52:03Today's episode of Kindle call
0:52:05and so Amazon has announced a new Kindle which I was I was wondering if they were going to come out with a new one as a
0:52:13kind of slow with the releases on that which makes sense there are two very different product
0:52:16but the code is about code. OK So the official name is I have to look at it is a Kindle.
0:52:24Voyage is the name of the new one
0:52:27but I am just going to call it the Voyager because I know that is exactly what I'm going to call it every time.
0:52:32Anyway so let's just cut to the chase where I don't try to struggle with this every time it's the Kindle Voyager.
0:52:41Does Voyager straightaway conjure up Star Trek to you or the NASA probes.
0:52:46I honestly
0:52:47when I think into Voyager I think Janeway is what I think I don't think the probe that I hear Voyager I you know I
0:52:54think there's coffee in that nebula. That's what I think.
0:52:57Yes Amazon enough is I think just yesterday I think I have I know nothing about it I'm not saying I did not know it
0:53:03happened until you told me what does it look different. OK so I can't remember the last time I just feel it.
0:53:10I know why I should ask you because you don't know either
0:53:12but I think we decided that you have the Kindle Paperwhite that's OK so I had to say when you have yes.
0:53:19OK OK so the Kindle Voyager is basically the improved version of the paper white if you look at it it is the same size.
0:53:32It has roughly the same bezel around the edge but they have made it a little bit lighter
0:53:39and they have improved some of the complaints about the Kindle Paperwhite count on stopping a taste to get straight to
0:53:48what you want to talk about it.
0:53:50Let's get to justification of testosterone to talk about the rest of it but all right
0:53:57and then you can talk about the old that's all anyone wanted.
0:54:02OK so I hear oh there's a new there's a new Kindle how exciting this is what I originally you know in my heart of
0:54:10hearts thought their their their Phone announcement was everybody was looking at that video going OK
0:54:15or a new Kindle right because I knew I wanted to see. Now that I hear here is the real deal.
0:54:20Now if you watch some of their promo videos they have a very carefully selected big bold images that show left
0:54:29justified text and they show it because it looks good left justified text.
0:54:37Yeah Hughes is the catch
0:54:39and people have sent me screen shots all the time so I might look at the stuff stop sending me screenshots of left
0:54:45justified text on your Kindle because when when a publisher puts their book on Amazon service
0:54:53when they format the book they have the option to force left justify the text so it is not an option on the Kindle they
0:55:03can just specify this text needs to be left justified and all reasonable book publishers do that.
0:55:10Which unfortunately is not very many but some.
0:55:13Every once in a while I get a book and it is left justified
0:55:16and I just want to kiss the author for having that that be the case. And so I look at their promo video is like huh.
0:55:24Well isn't that interesting you seem to be showing off your your left justified text.
0:55:28But in every one of the hands on videos
0:55:31and if you look closely at a bunch of the screen shots you can totally see that it is the full justified text
0:55:37abomination on every Kindle that has come before with those same saying Oh those silly spaces so odd shapes
0:55:44and yes with with with if you if you if you read a book that has big words in it you're going to have big spaces on
0:55:50your lines and it just looks the thing that I always have in mind when when I'm reading a book on the Kindle is
0:55:56and you get to a line that has a whole bunch of spaces on it.
0:56:00Bases are just much bigger it's like the narrator in my head has to slow down to read that part.
0:56:05That's partly why it's so terribly distracting
0:56:09and on top of that Amazon doesn't recognize em dashes as proper punctuation so if you have a word dash you know clause
0:56:17dash go on to the next sentence.
0:56:18Amazon thinks that whole section is just one gigantic word
0:56:22and so you'll end up with some stupid stupid line that has half of it is blank space so pretty.
0:56:28Anyway the thing I'm not clear about are you saying that this is new to the Voyager that the publishers can do this
0:56:35let's justify this I haven't always been the case. OK even on my paper every once in a while I get a book that is left.
0:56:43Did you not know this before look at this new information to you because you did you never brought this up before.
0:56:47I never brought it up because it is it wasn't worth bringing up a trivial number of books like you it we did it why
0:56:53it's like Christmas morning when I get a book that is left justified.
0:56:57OK it just is so so rare that it's not worth mentioning. Thank you. It's also is there a change with the Voyager.
0:57:03OK So so I'm looking at this
0:57:05and then now I have to dig through every screenshot every video of this thing anywhere on the Internet
0:57:10and eventually I find through some of the hands on videos.
0:57:14The great disappointment that I'm expecting which is an image of the setting screen
0:57:19and sure enough there is no option for the justification at all it's the same crummy settings screen on the current one
0:57:27there isn't a way to turn on less justification and I am I am terribly sad about this.
0:57:33Now the thing that I have to say though is that I am also not terribly surprised by this because
0:57:42and now I'm going to have to get a little bit vague here.
0:57:45But let's just say I have been contacted since our first complaining about the Kindle show by people who are within the
0:57:55Amazon universe and.
0:58:00I've had a couple conversations with people in different areas of that universe
0:58:05and what they like in a car park like meeting in the middle of the night
0:58:08and stuff like that that that basically I guess what the hell I'm Dan so I can see them
0:58:12or some that like you need to know something awesome and the the the and I'm going to be a bit vague here
0:58:19but the information that was conveyed to me is that basically won it one of two states is the case.
0:58:30The Amazon the people in charge of the Amazon Kindle software are either unaware of left justification which is
0:58:40horrifying to me as as a possibility
0:58:44or the other thing that was conveyed to me is that they are indifferent to this as an issue in general which is even
0:58:53worse because if someone is unaware you have the hope of changing their mind if they are indifferent.
0:59:00There is absolutely nothing that you can do so I was since these people contacted me and
0:59:07and then since the Voyager came out I was hoping that maybe something had changed which is why I was looking for all
0:59:12the setting screens and trying to find everything that I could but I was not surprised
0:59:16when I discovered that no full justification is still the abomination that we all have to live with you have to let you
0:59:23have that confidential exclusive but that the people in charge of it don't.
0:59:29Well knowing about it or don't care about it.
0:59:31Well here's the thing what could have been yeah it could have been some technical reason
0:59:37but it could have been some technical reason which is which is totally understandable.
0:59:42But there you are saying is the new information the it's a big exclusive what you've been told in the car park here is
0:59:47there's not a technical or commercial reason that is that is correct
0:59:52but I think this is interesting to me because it is it is confirmation that like I said before you have to try this.
1:00:00I feel it about like what is what is going on inside another entity what are their reasons for yelling something
1:00:07and this is confirmation to me about a certain aspect of that. Yes there are forces at play here.
1:00:13There are forces at play here is just indifference. OK how is that is that is that is interesting information.
1:00:21And so what I'm going to say now what was also conveyed to me a little bit more than that it was the second meeting of
1:00:27the meeting.
1:00:30Yeah well I was I was planning on doing more with this at some point in the future
1:00:34but I will just mention it now is that Amazon.
1:00:38There can be faults of them as a company
1:00:40but one thing that they are quite good at is being relatively sensitive to their customer service I get is pretty good
1:00:47compared to most other companies and that is that is always kind of a Jeff Bezos. Make the customer happy rallying cry.
1:00:55Yeah I just read that his not his autobiography
1:00:59but the biography that was written about him the everything so it was interesting.
1:01:03But it was conveyed to me that basically the customer service people will report feature requests
1:01:13when people call in to complain about stuff on their various Kindles.
1:01:18So I am going to put some contact information in the show notes of this episode
1:01:24and if you are in America so that you can call the Amazon Kindle customer support please call them if you are on my
1:01:32side and let them know that you are dissatisfied with the horrific type hogger fee of the Amazon Kindle
1:01:39and that you would love it if they would consider adding left alignment as one of the options to the text.
1:01:46So I'm going to put that information in the show notes if you are on board with me on this one.
1:01:50I would absolutely love it if you called
1:01:53and made that request so that is something else that I would just like to put out there in the universe.
1:02:00I on the other hand would prefer you support Asia yet you know the varieties it can I can I ask you a question just to
1:02:08make sure I understand something probably yes.
1:02:11Coming back to this small number of publishers
1:02:14and left justify the text you know if the good citizens who you want to kiss.
1:02:19Yeah I think I said publishers
1:02:20but I should have said book authors I think is is really the case I think whoever is typesetting that particular book
1:02:28and I had to manually set it to be left justified is that is it is one or the other
1:02:33or is this something you can toggle between. That's what I'm not understanding you.
1:02:37You have no choice over how the text is displayed either way you can say OK this is left justified
1:02:44but if I press this button here the whole book will become.
1:02:46Yeah they're all there is there is no way to on left justify it you know not what you want for some reason you you are
1:02:53desirous of a vastly inferior reading experience
1:02:56and you have received as beautifully typeset book you can't press the button to turn it back into the horrible normal
1:03:01way which you know you know you maybe you want that and I think there should be an option to do that.
1:03:08So yes anyway that that is kind of what the main thing about the Kindle that I want to say is that I was hopeful
1:03:16and then expectantly disappointed about the main feature that I wanted
1:03:21but like a total idiot I pre-ordered it anyway because I do like my Kindle should I mean Amazon the people to be loving
1:03:31about this sounds to me like the typesetters and the publishers
1:03:34and the authors are the ones that we should be lobbying.
1:03:37Well I don't know if that would be I don't know if I would be more effective because that is just so distributed.
1:03:45And also the thing that I want is to be able to change the alignment in my books.
1:03:52But if if as you say the decisions being made by the publishers
1:03:56and some of them are saying I'm going to left justified because I think that looks bad.
1:04:00It sounds unfair to be blaming Amazon Amazon and giving these publishers both abilities
1:04:06and the publishers are choosing the ugly flock No no that's.
1:04:11That sounds true
1:04:13but here is the way the way that it technically works is that if you do not manually specify an alignment OK It
1:04:22defaults to fully justify case a block is default ugly block is default
1:04:27and specifying alignment is without a doubt more of a pain in the butt because you have to be mindful of the chapter
1:04:36headers or different sections of the book that you might want to be differently aligned.
1:04:40I was and it is a much easier job to just say define Oh right
1:04:45and here are the chapters Here's everything that's not a chapter just make it look good
1:04:50and it is it is an uphill battle if you want to make it look good.
1:04:54So that's why it is it is not quite not there's not quite the right way to look at it you can't think of a book that
1:05:00was left justified for shout out.
1:05:02Somebody showed me that some of them to screen shot the one I remember was a Malcolm Gladwell outliers was left
1:05:08justified taking I don't remember off the top of my head the book that I have seen because again it is it is just so
1:05:13rare.
1:05:13But before I get too far off the topic just
1:05:17but I do want to remember your listeners I normally don't ask for you to send me things
1:05:21but I would like for people to send me either via e-mail or by Twitter. Example.
1:05:29It's hideous hideous full justification on your Kindle devices.
1:05:34Sometimes you will come across a passage that is just comically awful and if you are this is on your paper
1:05:40or on your phone
1:05:42or on any of the Kindle devices that you use I would like you to send me screenshots of horrific examples of what
1:05:49happens when you fully justified the text
1:05:51and I have a little project for that at some point so they request from me to you.
1:05:56Dear Internet rest in peace grace in books. Now I almost don't want to.
1:06:02But there's no way that I could I could do this on my own so I would I would I would need help from the internet for
1:06:08what I have in mind. Do you want to talk about any other features of the new Kindle or is that really where it's at.
1:06:13That's really where it's at the only thing I will mention just very briefly
1:06:16and one of the reasons why I did pre-order it is that it has added not exactly buttons
1:06:22but pressure sensors on the side of the screen to make the page turning more easy
1:06:28and that was one of my big complaints with the paper white was that they took away the buttons on either side of the
1:06:33bezel to turn the page
1:06:35and instead you have to tap the page like it's an i Pad So that's one of the reasons why I thought who I'm going to get
1:06:42this I'm a little bit doubtful because of this weird pressure thing like Why don't you just make it a button.
1:06:49But I'm willing to give it a try and see how that works. That's talk Apple man. That's where it's at.
1:06:57It's been a bit of Apollonius there's been a lot of Apple stuff going on.
1:07:03What do you want to talk about so let's start with the new i Phones So we've got two new phones we got that we got the
1:07:11the i Phone six and six Plus. Yes those are the two new ones from Apple and both bigger than the five.
1:07:19They're both bigger than the five.
1:07:21Again we are not a tech as we were this is not us professionally talking about stuff is is that we are people who use
1:07:29Apple products and I guess are interested in what is coming out what the new things are probably more so than you
1:07:37but well we don't think you're pretty interested you know. I'm pretty surrounded by Apple stuff.
1:07:43So the interesting thing about these of course is that there's been speculation for a long time about Apple making
1:07:48bigger phones and they finally are here
1:07:50and there was expected that this would be quite popular the demand for these would be quite high.
1:07:57And you saw it but this morning I. They happen for various boring paperwork tax reasons.
1:08:03I happen to be around at The Regent Street Apple store here in London which is a huge Apple store
1:08:11and according at least to some of the employees I've spoken to there it is either the most
1:08:17or one of the most profitable Apple stores in the world which I can believe I mean it's it's right in the center of the
1:08:25main shopping district but anyway I happen to be in the area and the line was incredibly long so I actually went
1:08:34and filmed it from from start to finish
1:08:37and it took me about I think the video is three minutes long to walk from the beginning to the end of the line which
1:08:43doesn't sound too bad but there is this whole section where they thread the line through a park
1:08:48and you can't even get into the park unless you have one of these little tickets from the Apple people there.
1:08:54So the video makes the line look incredibly long
1:08:57but it is easily twice as long as it looks because of the people packed into the big spiral line in the center of the
1:09:05park so what did everyone think when you're walking past with a Go Pro in their face.
1:09:09So no I was not the only person like these are media circuses news people everywhere and professional camera people.
1:09:17You can't be on this line and not expect that you are part of a media event. Yeah.
1:09:23So the six is big and the six plus is bigger again. So they've gone up a size and then gone up artist.
1:09:32I can't remember the numbers four point seven and something I it's I can never remember the size of the screens
1:09:39and the only thing you need to know is sort of like each is you know I don't know roughly an inch bigger than the one
1:09:44before you have the old Apple phone which is the four and then you have the five
1:09:49and the six in the six plus in each is kind of like an inch bigger on the diagonal.
1:09:54But I can never remember the exact specifications. Has he gone and had a look at them or the Regent Street store.
1:09:59There is this huge.
1:10:00Line
1:10:00but they handle it very well because they filter all the people into one side for the people who are buying the phone
1:10:07but if you just want to go look the whole rest of the store is still available to you like normal.
1:10:12So I have pre-ordered an i Phone
1:10:14and because no one's seen the sizes before I had to guess about which side do I think is the size of them.
1:10:19I'm going to want to use and I thought well I'm here.
1:10:22The Apple stores open let me go inside and actually handle the physical phones
1:10:26and see if my guess about what I would want was right. You'd already pre-ordered you committed.
1:10:30Yeah you can cancel it hasn't shipped yet but I just want to see do I need to cancel my order
1:10:35and change my mind maybe I'll be wildly convinced convinced otherwise. So I went in I took a look around.
1:10:42It's interesting because I was a holding back a thought that I had until I saw the phones in person
1:10:49but unfortunately this guess was correct which is that putting the size aside for a second. These i Phones.
1:11:00Are the ugliest i Phones Apple has ever made. Really they are hideous looking in person.
1:11:08I was reserving judgment until I saw them in person.
1:11:12But all of the photos I saw online I thought these things look terrible.
1:11:17Let me hold back until I see it though I know I'm going to reserve judgment.
1:11:21But man
1:11:21when I saw them in the store I thought nope this is just as ugly as I thought it was what it is it is it just because
1:11:28of the dimensions I mean they haven't changed the look of them much
1:11:32but you know if you've seen pictures of them right yet I can't remember why I just thought they were the same as the
1:11:37other ones but just different dimensions.
1:11:40OK you're in front of a computer
1:11:41and if you go to Apple dot com a fuller picture of what they look like so you know we're talking about here
1:11:46and I want to paint a word picture for you I'll put the link in the notes to to some images a man on his hunting
1:11:54and taking him to get your Brady typing you know how do you pack. Yeah I think so I've got them.
1:12:00Yes they look a bit different there actually did a bit more sort of roundy like yeah that different Europe they're
1:12:07different.
1:12:07OK So the first i Phone I ever owned the i Phone four which in my mind is still the iconic most beautifully designed i
1:12:18Phone that they've ever made. I really like that one.
1:12:21It was it was smaller it had the glass front on the glass back which were shattered tast it but looked great.
1:12:27Yeah but it's like I kept mine in a case the whole time
1:12:31and I define member around London seeing lots of people who had this gorgeous spiderweb pattern across to the back of
1:12:38their phone because they dropped it so I know that needed to change
1:12:41but just from a purely aesthetic point I thought that was the best looking one.
1:12:45Yeah and then the i Phone five was a refinement of that not my favorite but I still felt look quite good.
1:12:51The my problems with with the six. I think the curved edge looks terrible.
1:12:56Yeah I bet we'll get used to that and so I spent you know they look they look like you know like a Samsung phone
1:13:03or something to me in that direction. Now my reaction seeing it in person was it just looks cheap.
1:13:11Something about that round edge I think just makes it look kind of junky I don't know a better way to describe it you
1:13:19know I'm not an A not familiar enough with them for some phones to say it looks like a Samsung phone.
1:13:24I just think the around it looks terrible I always like the really sharp edges of the four.
1:13:30Much better than the rounded edges of the three. And so I'm also making it more like a toilet making childproof.
1:13:37Yeah
1:13:38and they are holding it in your hand it does have that same kind of feeling like Oh you don't think I'm grown up enough
1:13:44for this sham furred adage you know you have to round out the edges so that I don't hurt myself with my brand new phone
1:13:51and something about it being rounded
1:13:54and bigger I don't know it's just makes the phone look dumber in this way that is hard. Too hard to specify.
1:14:01Yeah I agree with you
1:14:03and I think it looks even dumber on the bigger one like it looks it looks not great on gets like a child's toy it like
1:14:12I have not seen in person of course so I'm just I'm just going on pictures.
1:14:15Yeah thinking this is a topical show we're recording this on the afternoon of the first day that they have ever been
1:14:21available so it's and I wouldn't have seen it if I didn't happen to be in the area so the second thing was
1:14:27when I touched it the minute I know what it is
1:14:29but they do something about the back material also feels worse I mean it's supposed to still be aluminum just like the
1:14:35regular phones are but it feels more plasticky and I know they're always messing around with the materials
1:14:43and I get from yeah.
1:14:45That's again the word alloys you know like always mixing it with different material to get different properties.
1:14:51But something about the back of it just felt terrible
1:14:54when I touched it I could immediately feel oh the specific heat capacity of whatever alloy they have chosen is
1:14:59different which basically means that when I when I would pick up the i Phone four
1:15:05or the i Phone five it's cold to the touch. Yeah feels like metal.
1:15:10And if if you are you know if you're around if you're in a castle made of stone you touch the wall the walls are cold
1:15:15but if you are in a modern house where the walls are made of basically plastic
1:15:20or you know Styrofoam board you touch the walls and they are kind of room temperature and I was aware of that
1:15:25when I touch the phone is the same thing as oh it's not cold when I touch it.
1:15:30It's kind of not exactly warm but it's way closer to room temperature. OK.
1:15:35This combined with around corners makes it feel even cheaper
1:15:40but I think the thing that to me drags it from not great design into what I would say is fugly territory is the antenna
1:15:52bands around the top and the bottom line here and say them.
1:15:57I was looking at them on the picture and it was the same thing I thought.
1:16:00I'm going to wait until I see this in person and
1:16:02when I saw it in person it was worse than I would have ever imagined it is so hideous to look at
1:16:09and think I could not believe.
1:16:11Actually handling the phone is everyone was complaining that the camera lens is separate is a little bit elevated from
1:16:17the back it's not flush like it has been visited by something oh yeah.
1:16:23Cena Yeah the camera lens sticks out a couple millimeters.
1:16:25Honestly there's no big deal at all but that is the one thing on the phone where everybody was worried about that
1:16:30and I look at that thing. Doesn't matter at all this is I make a final picture saying I'm looking for more pictures.
1:16:35Yeah Apple tries to hide that bulge on their their promo page
1:16:39when they're out there which I think is not entirely an honest way to represent it
1:16:43but the camera bold if you are listening to this punk ass
1:16:46and you're worried about the camera bulbs don't worry about it all it is very slight in person
1:16:51and doesn't matter at all as I thought it was going to be ugly.
1:16:53Doesn't make a difference the thing that I could not believe is that those antenna spaces of the lines on the top
1:17:01and bottom.
1:17:03If you run your finger over it you can clearly feel the seam between the back and that antenna space
1:17:10and it is slightly elevated from the rest of the back and it is clearly plastic.
1:17:17So already the back feels cheaper with and and then you run your finger across the top of it
1:17:22and you can very clearly feel those antenna bands as distinct from the rest of the phone.
1:17:28And so I thought Man Apple thumbs down on the hardware design of this phone like I never never thought I'd have to say
1:17:35that I like.
1:17:37Now I just I think they are they are hideous hideous i Phones I mean their physical look so I was pretty disappointed
1:17:46in that. I mean I use Apple stuff all the time but this is I think this design look is not good not good at all.
1:17:53Did you. What should you do or did you change your order.
1:18:00Do you have a guess about which one I ordered I think I know I was just doing it for the fans.
1:18:06Or do you think can you order the six. Yes I did order the six over the salt the smaller one.
1:18:12And are you glad you did not how do you feel having seen them by now.
1:18:16My guess was that six plus would be way too big for me and that was just confirmed in the store.
1:18:24Handling the six is just comically large and you know I'm not a short person
1:18:29but my my thumb was inadequate for this phone
1:18:33and their little trick of double tapping the home button to make the icon slide down so you can reach them all.
1:18:39I don't need to add two extra taps to every step for everything that I want to do so that was my prediction I use my
1:18:45phone one handed a lot so there was just a complete deal breaker.
1:18:50Oh the bigger i Phone does have a lot of cool features like it it does rotate sideways in a way that the regular one
1:18:56doesn't like those things that are attractive about the big one
1:18:59but its size is just a total deal breaker for me so I went with the six as the one that I have ordered
1:19:05and I did at the time order a case for it.
1:19:10And I'm glad that I did because I feel like all of my previous i Phones I have reluctantly used a case
1:19:17and I've always thought out his i Phone is too beautiful to be in this case
1:19:20but I'm still going to use it for various reasons
1:19:23and the i Phone six I feel like this thing is too hideous to not cover up with a case I have an i Phone five
1:19:34and I'm feeling like I'm a veggie for any sign. We think less of me if I go for a five S.
1:19:40but Would that be stupid I know it's sick I know it's not a good performance but I just want to unlock has more fun
1:19:47and I like this this sort of the intrusiveness of a small phone in my pocket
1:19:51and so I would not think less of you at all and so I am I'm getting the six partly because my wife has a great design.
1:20:00Things on my five S she she gets she gets the old phone
1:20:05and so says she's she for a long time has looked with it with envy on the fingerprint scanner the Touch ID five S. Has.
1:20:14Yeah I really want that
1:20:16and so I am getting a new phone because she is getting a new phone so this is why I am getting the six you could get a
1:20:23five S. Of course and you could expect the five S's.
1:20:26OK Let me let me work towards the fact that I have
1:20:29but the thing is ever since I got the five I have actually never really liked the size of the five as it is always
1:20:38thought it was a little bit awkward because it Kato.
1:20:40That's exactly it is it is bigger but it was only bigger in one dimension it was just taller
1:20:46and for some things that's great but for lots of things I just found it awkward
1:20:50and it was a weird in-between device for me and so.
1:20:55I am hoping that I mean like why am I buying the six if I think it is so hideous why don't I just buy my wife a five S..
1:21:03I am hoping that I find the slightly bigger size more convenience for a bunch of stuff that I do. T.J.
1:21:11You talk about work things here work things that I do so very often I find myself out
1:21:15and about in the city I always have my phone on me and sometimes I do want to do some work on the phone
1:21:21and there's lots of stuff that I can do I mean this is a whole other topic
1:21:24but I.O.'s is basically my primary computing life.
1:21:29I do most of my work on my i Pad
1:21:31but that also means a ton of that stuff I can do on my i Phones So there is much for me to do.
1:21:37But if Apple and I know they won't
1:21:41but if Apple has had in addition released a new phone that was the same size as the old i Phone four I would have
1:21:52bought that because I would prefer a smaller phone and so I feel like I'm in a I'm in a weird.
1:22:00Space where like the i Phone five is just big enough to be a little bit weird
1:22:04but not big enough to feel like I can be really productive on it so that's why I am interested in trying the slightly
1:22:12larger size
1:22:13but I would totally go back to the i Phone four size phone if that was an option I wouldn't even hesitate about that if
1:22:20they came out with a new one in that in that size.
1:22:22So I wouldn't think any less of Hugh if you went and bought the five S.
1:22:28You know if you felt like the phone need to be updated
1:22:30or you want to touch ID which I do have to say is a feature that really changes how you interact with the phone
1:22:36and then the much much more convenient to use and a lot of ways so I don't think that is crazy or unreasonable.
1:22:44OK Is that what you're going to do are you going to get a five S I think after I mean I'll go have a look in the shop.
1:22:51I just like a small and sleek you know I like you know I want to be like a lightsaber.
1:22:56I don't want to be like a huge big you know lightsabers weren't small
1:23:01and sleek really well just like not so that's not slick I mean I you know I think there are signs yes there are you
1:23:08comparing it to a sword I guess it's small and sleek compared to a non collapsible sword is that the comparison.
1:23:15Yeah I think if let's say there's a lack sleek things they're cool they're very cool
1:23:21but if you actually look at a lightsaber close up they're kind of control he does you start telling me to look a lot so
1:23:26I have a close up let me tell you.
1:23:30We'll take a look at the wander into the great story of you angry like last time with the monkeys.
1:23:36OK was I when I
1:23:39when I got my first job is like a newspaper cadet there was comic book stories to go to all the time they have of
1:23:44course Star Wars memorabilia and stuff like that
1:23:49and there was some guy in Adelaide he used to naive to make replicas a lot saber handles he will
1:23:55and he made a huge metal weighty replica of Luke's.
1:24:00Because Return Of The Jedi light saber that the remade went first and I used to look at it and discovered it.
1:24:07Something terribly and I went home and told my dad you know I love it I love it so much
1:24:13and he didn't want to get on it but because like a hundred bucks or two hundred bucks
1:24:16or something which is like you know I know an incredible amount of money now
1:24:22but also what an incredible amount of money then considering I now had like a full time proper job
1:24:27but I didn't I still hadn't psychologically realized that I had a full time proper job I hadn't realized I had money in
1:24:34it.
1:24:35Yeah yeah
1:24:36and so it was the first time I spent like a couple of hundred dollars on something just like to indulge myself
1:24:42and I went and I pour water and I feel guilty by not like I feel like everyone in the world was watching me
1:24:48and I was going to sling money and it was this terrible thing
1:24:51but then I came home with it getting a bus home from town with a lot saber in your pockets if anything to do with it.
1:24:57But anyway so I'm very aware of sort of the weight and size of a lot so because this was an exact exact replica
1:25:02but gosh I'd love to I still have it. I still have it somewhere and I didn't even need to ask if you still have it.
1:25:09How could the fight is have it here in England I think if I do I will send you a picture of me with it.
1:25:16Oh please do please do.
1:25:17If I can find that song so I'm well aware of the dimensions of our lives and I'm sorry for for that.
1:25:24Suggesting otherwise. But I don't like and I find out nothing like a lot.
1:25:32Somehow reminds me of it's a kind of cool sleek thing in my pocket where is these the six looks like a big black Fisher
1:25:38Price toy.
1:25:40OK It just seems the shape of it
1:25:42and the feel of it doesn't quite seem right to me I wish I could be more articulate about this
1:25:47but you know I just keep coming back to the word dumb like the phone the phone.
1:25:54Look I don't mean that the design is done but it looks like the phone is somehow stupider. It's that I've done.
1:26:00It's just I don't know what is this is the rounded corners is that hideous antenna is the material it's everything
1:26:06about it is is just awful.
1:26:08So I now I now will be on a quest to find the perfect case for this thing
1:26:14but in the meantime I'll be covering it up in the application some kind of ashamed of us.
1:26:20But I do feel like obviously I listen to some of these podcasts that E.J.
1:26:24Like accidental Tech podcast and John Greaves podcast
1:26:28and I often marvel at their ability to talk about like the button on the side of an i Phone for like two hours.
1:26:35Yeah and I sometimes laugh at the end of it I can't believe I was going to spend all that time talking about it.
1:26:40I now realize how that happens because we're doing the exact
1:26:44when we are barely we're barely scratching the surface of the artist.
1:26:49We are just total average dudes talking about what you think about the new i Phone whereas you go back in the in the
1:26:55archives of their work
1:26:56and you can listen to the great mute switch debate of twenty twelve which is spread across four
1:27:03or five episodes on many different shows about let's discuss the true nature of the mute switch that is pro level Apple
1:27:13analysis we will never reach that kind of look at today and compare it to a light saber. Probably not.
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1:29:04We did catch up here in the wake. I happen to be in London and we went to dinner which was lovely.
1:29:09Yes and I asked you what you thought of the we didn't talk i Phones or no
1:29:15but I did ask you what you thought of the new Apple Watch and you refused to talk about it with me.
1:29:22No that is that is not it is not a correct Rovers
1:29:25and you didn't you didn't like well like I said What do you think of Apple what you told me what happened I said we
1:29:35should probably talk about that on the show
1:29:37and then immediately what proceeded to happen was you talk to my wife about the phone for the whole time
1:29:44and never asked me another question about it again. So that's what happened.
1:29:49Well I thought you made your position pretty clear. I felt ignored at the dinner.
1:29:55That's what it was you know you never never came back and everything just now was.
1:30:00No push Well I told you all the time you're once more interesting. Fair enough.
1:30:06Now you have my undivided attention
1:30:08and honestly honestly I'm dying to know what are you really being sarcastic now because you know talking about Apple
1:30:15for like an hour and I don't know.
1:30:17I seriously this is the best for last because I'm really really curious about what you think about the Apple Watch
1:30:24and I have no idea about your position yet. Did you watch the announcement.
1:30:29Yes I did I did watch the announcement live which I try to do I don't always catch it alive but if I can I'm happy to.
1:30:39It's interesting to see what's going on Apple make some kind of fun events
1:30:44and since I've been following it for years I know the cast of characters who come up on stage.
1:30:48So if I can watch it live I always well so it was interesting.
1:30:54It was interesting to see we tweeting though I have a car.
1:30:57I didn't say you know usually I have a lot of choice when an Apple event happened.
1:31:02Well this is part of my as I mentioned last last episode part of my failed project to stay off of Twitter
1:31:09and the Internet. You learn that noticeably less definitely on less.
1:31:14But like I said the Twitter habit is hard to break
1:31:17and I would say I was determined to get through the Apple keynotes without tweeting and without looking at Twitter.
1:31:26I thought no no you know what I'm going to do this this is part of my resolution I'm going to stick to it.
1:31:32But then of course if anyone who watch slides already knows what happens which is that during the first thirty minutes
1:31:37of their presentation they were Apple with having horrific technical problems. The stream kept dropping out.
1:31:43Harry is Lee It was dubbed in Mandarin for a good long time and I don't know what was going on there
1:31:50but it was it was awful.
1:31:53But of course then I'm thinking well I'm having a hard time watching this live but I want to know it.
1:32:00Going on and I follow people on Twitter who are almost certainly in the room in California where this is happening
1:32:06or I can maybe I should.
1:32:07And then of course this is like a drug addict maybe I'll just take one hit of heroin only just open
1:32:13and then it was just over.
1:32:15But I was I was restraining myself I was trying not to comment on everything like I normally do
1:32:20but I was still I was still on there.
1:32:22OK so some point in the presentation they unveiled the wearable we'd all been waiting for. Yes that's right.
1:32:29But the apple watch not to the i Watch yet have you know watch which is going to be hard to say I will I will try what
1:32:35was what was your immediate impression before we get into the nuts and bolts of the day for analysis.
1:32:40OK so my very first thought was I was honestly disappointed it was a watch
1:32:46and this is partly because of the eight I don't know if I'll be able to find it for the show notes
1:32:50but there was a Tim Cook interview at All Things D.
1:32:55I think maybe a year ago or so where they were talking about wearable technology and.
1:33:01Jim Cook clearly refused to talk about watches in particular
1:33:06and instead was talking about sensor technology in general.
1:33:10He was and is that there's a lot of things that are going on in the world of sensors and this is entirely true.
1:33:16If you follow technology there's a bunch of stuff that's happening right now with making sense there is much more
1:33:22ubiquitous and much more cheap and this is why there's this big push about recording Health Statistics
1:33:27and recording all kinds of stuff because it's getting really cheap to put sensors everywhere
1:33:32and so I was kind of hoping that Apple would have a different something different then a watch kind of based on his
1:33:39reaction or his description of things in that particular interview.
1:33:44The
1:33:44when it was revealed of the watch my initial reaction was oh I was kind of hoping I don't know what they would have
1:33:49but some sort of in a band with a bunch of sensors built in or you know who knows what they're going to do.
1:33:55Yeah so that was my initial reaction was I was a bit like. An original.
1:34:02I wouldn't say that
1:34:03but if you're asking for my initial thought it was a little bit of disappointment because I was thinking maybe it's
1:34:09something I haven't thought of and then it's a watch. But that was that was very fleeting.
1:34:13I was that was just my initial reaction
1:34:16and then it's like OK well Apple now show me show me in your apple the way this thing that you have made.
1:34:20Did you watch it live or did I did not watch it live and in the video.
1:34:25I haven't I haven't even watched the video I have not watched the video.
1:34:28I'm not saying any moving imagery of this watch at all at the scene of these pictures of the what do you I don't know I
1:34:33had pictures of it.
1:34:35I have looked at pictures of and I looked on the Apple site and so are all the different colors and different bands
1:34:39and things like that. OK So that's my level of do you have any reaction to watch it.
1:34:47I'm completely underwhelmed and really underwhelmed and I've not seen it in real life and I've not seen on a hand.
1:34:54Yeah I don't think anybody seen it in real or the people who were there have seen a real man it's not
1:34:58and it's not in the stores I've also because I haven't watched the video I've not yet seen on a hand.
1:35:02I imagine it looks a bit boxy and that's not what I think watchers should look like
1:35:07and I although I don't wear a watch face to face I have a great interest and love of watches
1:35:13and this is not something I would imagine enjoying seeing on my hand.
1:35:20So you look at you look at the poppy design and you think that's not something that you would wear.
1:35:24Yes I am because I am intrigued by the digital crown.
1:35:30I think that was and from what I can tell that looks like a nice touch and there are still a bit of innovation
1:35:38but I am not a fan yet but I am also very very ill informed and open minded.
1:35:50Also as you know there is there is a particular watch that I do want that I've been coveting for ten fifteen years now.
1:35:59Whenever I think what. That's all I can think about and nothing else compares.
1:36:02Go on tell us what it is you know you want to.
1:36:05I I don't think I type I don't think I ever go to an airport without drooling over the Amiga Speedmaster professional.
1:36:17There are various kinds of
1:36:18and I'm a very particular kind I like because not only is it just a very nice looking watch it is also the watch that
1:36:25was worn by the Apollo astronauts when they walked on the moon
1:36:30and we've never really talked about it much on the podcast I don't think and I'm sure we will sometime in the future.
1:36:34At length if I could persuade you but I am very very passionate about the Apollo program
1:36:42and the moon landings I just my greatest interest in the hobby
1:36:46and I'm a great collector of things Apollo related so I've always really fancied having one of those watches
1:36:54but they're very expensive and we also touched on the fact I don't take very good care of things right
1:37:00and I have not been able to take that leap that that was a small step for man
1:37:06but giant leap for Brady to buy one of them yet. So if I'm going to spend a large quantity of money on a watch.
1:37:16It will be one of those eventually
1:37:18and I will do it in fact if anything the best thing about the release of the Apple Watch is really motivated me to
1:37:25perhaps buy one of those watches and I've been spending a lot of time online looking at them the last few days.
1:37:30Much more time than I have been looking at the Apple Watch but I still look at the price
1:37:36and think that's had to just because I was I really like what Casio calculator watches and things like that.
1:37:42Yeah that the thing is I mean there is typically are these watches there in the what the the two thousand to three
1:37:49thousand four thousand pound range that's kind we're talking this is a major media watch yes yes.
1:37:55Which is no doubt about it. Very expensive yes. Watch as we may come back to later.
1:38:03I only want to mention the price because
1:38:04when you say very expensive people can think Rolex is thirty thousand dollars forty thousand dollars for a large I mean
1:38:14I spend so much and I spend I spend more on hard drives than I do than I could on that watch
1:38:20and I could wear the watch every day and get great pleasure from it as opposed to my hard drives crash
1:38:25and there is nothing but misery. Yeah. Spend more money. Yeah another reason I should get it.
1:38:31I will I will eventually get it.
1:38:34But anyway that's not we're not here to talk about I make a spade must've been anyone from a nigger is listening
1:38:39and they want to get some. They want to do an ad on the show. Cash would not be required.
1:38:46I regret we were both I think money from this thing they do need to pay.
1:38:51You can't just have Brady's Omega Speedmaster corner.
1:38:56I mean what if they said to me well I already have a watch and I do have a very nice watch.
1:39:01I mean you can get in touch for a sponsorship
1:39:04and Brady will give you the best sponsorship you've ever heard of your life.
1:39:07I think that probably would have had about three I think you could you could talk about it forever.
1:39:13Let's talk about your opinion on the air.
1:39:15When we left it with your first impression being slightly underwhelmed by only fleetingly
1:39:20and then giving them a chance to make their case yeah OK you know I've been next so here as we've just touched upon the
1:39:27Apple Watch. I'm very interested in the Apple Watch but they have a very difficult case to sell this to me.
1:39:37And step one is as we just mentioned I already wear a watch so right out of the gate Apple is not competing for unused
1:39:47space on my wrist. Apple is competing to replace a thing that already exists on my wrist.
1:39:54So like we have a technical We have a higher activation energy to get over.
1:40:00For this process to start yet so I was watching the whole presentation kind of with that in mind.
1:40:07Is Apple going to be able to convince me to swap my current watch for the Apple Watch.
1:40:14So either as I'm watching it Apple has to be clear they have a very early announce this you know that they have said it
1:40:21is available for sale early twenty fifteen which knowing Apple they'll push back until summer twenty fifteen
1:40:29and say oh we meant the first half of the summer you know.
1:40:33So it can be quite a long time before the fact this thing actually comes out which resulted in some parts of the
1:40:39presentation being a bit vague. Yes And so one of the key ones which is I couldn't resist from mentioning on Twitter.
1:40:48Well Apple the longer you don't tell me about the battery life of the shorter I'm going to assume this battery life is
1:40:56and I may that is kind of a joke but then I was pretty surprised
1:41:00when they ended they finished talking about the watch and they never mention the battery life once. Yeah.
1:41:06Does this last forty five minutes how long does how long does this watch do I have to just have a plug in all the time
1:41:12this is not a good sign.
1:41:13Is it possible they don't know yet is it possible they're trying to invent some new battery in the next six months.
1:41:18Yeah I mean this is one of the things I foresee
1:41:20when we're recording this that we mentioned before that the usual Apple pod cast crew you know grouper and A.T.P.
1:41:27I don't I haven't listened to any of their shows that are out so this might be the section on the watch might be
1:41:33horrifically uninformed because I don't know
1:41:35but if they found out any of the details I have listened to eighty page first one on the watch.
1:41:40Nothing about actually came out and I'm going to have a listen to their latest.
1:41:43Yeah I think it just came out with one this morning.
1:41:45So there may be more details now but I know I don't know
1:41:49and my guess is it is very possible given how early they are announcing this that Apple doesn't actually have a
1:41:54realistic X. Doesn't have a realistic idea of what the battery life actually will.
1:42:00Yeah
1:42:01but they hinted very strongly in the presentation that it will need to be they will need to be charged every night
1:42:08and they have their very nicely designed charger for it.
1:42:10But this is this is strike one because I have already have so many devices that I need to charge every night
1:42:19and I have many checklists
1:42:21and on my checklist is a couple of things I want to make sure are plugged in at night so that when I
1:42:27when I start the next day everything is fresh and going you know I'm starting to even fall out of love with politics.
1:42:35Yes this is what we talked about as the frustration and that thing is maybe you know once a week or you know
1:42:41but I mean devices that I have to charge every night
1:42:43and what I need to make sure our charging is one obviously the phone here too.
1:42:50I use my i Pad as my primary computer
1:42:53and so I have to make sure that my i Pad is charged in because often I just grab it in the morning and then I go out
1:42:58and I'm working wherever in the day and maybe I have access to electric socket maybe I don't.
1:43:03So I need to make sure that that thing is charged
1:43:05and then secondly I have this pair of bluetooth headphones that I adore that I totally love the Jaybird X bluetooth
1:43:15headphones they are amazing they're the best bluetooth headphones I've ever used. Jaybird feel free to get in touch.
1:43:23If you can keep track and everyone but but but they have to be charged every night. Yeah.
1:43:31So there are three things that at minimum have to be charged every night
1:43:35and then in addition to that I have my Fitbit and my Kindle which need to be basically charged on a weekly basis
1:43:42and I have a reminder for that as well as like this is getting to be a bunch of things. And as dumb as it sounds.
1:43:48Adding one more.
1:43:51It's like the difficulty of this is exponential it doesn't seem like adding one more is a pain
1:43:56but it's much more trouble than you would expect because there's also the cable.
1:44:00Management So this is one more cable that I'd have to pack with it
1:44:04and I was traveling so I already have three hundred able to totally agree with the Fitbit cable I have a lightning
1:44:10cable and then I have a micro U.S.B.
1:44:12and I'll tell you I keep getting terrified that one of my devices is going to be out of sync with that micro U.S.B.
1:44:18Kindle Voyager I'm looking at you right I was trying to find on the web page. They said oh it charges by U.S.B.
1:44:24Yes white U.S.B. Kindle I don't want to end up having to have two U.S.B.
1:44:29Cable so this is this is immediately a kind of strike against the watchers like you are going to be a hassle with this
1:44:37with this Contin I counter so battery power electricity issue I'm right
1:44:43but the thing the thing with technology is the real question is what benefit does it provide.
1:44:49Because I'm willing to charge it charge up all the things that I currently have because the benefit they provide me
1:44:54outweighs the hassle of the charging I get says it like this is how the universe works
1:44:58and so now as a sale I don't know if that's one of the fundamental laws of the I believe you have the four fundamental
1:45:06forces.
1:45:07OK And then after that there is technology growth is exponential
1:45:12and then immediately after that it is the benefit a device provides you is greater than the hassle of charging it.
1:45:21It's governed by greater confidence that's fixed so that this another watch trying to sell me on its utility yet so I'm
1:45:28watching this presentation with this in mind.
1:45:31Now another strike against the watch for me in particular is I'm looking at I think OK what does it do.
1:45:37And at least as they present it right now it does some interesting fitness tracking stuff which is great
1:45:45but I already use my Fitbit for that
1:45:47and my Fitbit is going to outcompete the watch because my Fitbit also does silent alarms which I use in the morning to
1:45:56sometimes wake up without disturbing my wife so I can cook. That's my pajamas and wake up.
1:46:02And well the watch can't do that because the watch is going to have to be charging overnight.
1:46:06Hello you haven't won on fitness tracking here
1:46:10and then the rest of a large portion of the thing that the watch can do I would say are related to communication
1:46:19and notifications.
1:46:20Yeah so the watch has to be connected to your phone for most things
1:46:26and it will display notifications from your phone on the watch face
1:46:30when I give you the hassle of taking your embarrassing ugly I fancy.
1:46:34I would've thought that was a big deal until I saw how hideous the i Phone six was and maybe that's Apple's plan right.
1:46:41We're going to make this i Phone so ugly everybody wants an i Watch or an apple watch.
1:46:46Did you hide it doesn't have to see the light of day
1:46:50and it's some kind of cave troll in your pocket that is doing all this grunt work
1:46:55and the beautiful I watch can actually if you're going to have a face of your communication that we that we are.
1:47:03So as you have been frustrated with sometimes the number of notifications I receive on my phone to begin with is almost
1:47:10zero. I actually look through my phone the other day.
1:47:13That's kind of curious to see how many things have I actually allowed access to notification.
1:47:18And it is basically three or four apps at most.
1:47:22Yeah messages can make my phone beep Omni Focus can make my phone beep if the navigation is on that can make my phone
1:47:30beep which I almost never use.
1:47:32And that has to be easily easily be ninety five percent of the notifications I ever receive on my phone.
1:47:39To top it off to make it worse I use the Do Not Disturb feature to even disallow those notifications every day starting
1:47:48at nine pm at night and continuing to one P.M.
1:47:52The following day so there's only even an eight hour window in which my phone can theoretically beep to begin with.
1:48:00Why so.
1:48:01Notifications for me with this watch also is not like I am not sold on this because it is not something that I use to
1:48:09know if I have a phone or a vein to get stuck on a ledge.
1:48:12You're the last person I'm going to call for help I should you should know by now that I am not the person to call if
1:48:17you need help with things. I will help you but it has to be asynchronous and cannot be immediate.
1:48:23You're my thinkin if here OK.
1:48:26That's exactly right that's exactly what you let me know a month in advance about something I might possibly be there
1:48:31if you need something at seven thirty in the morning you better be calling somebody else
1:48:37or have access to your bit so the world is all about notifications
1:48:46and you feel like you don't need a whole lot of notifying Basically I have almost no use for notifications as it is so
1:48:52the watch doesn't sell me on that future either.
1:48:54Now I don't think it is fair to say that the watch is all about notifications because again Apple is a little bit
1:48:59and clear and exactly what the capabilities are again because maybe they don't know precisely themselves
1:49:06but there were definitely some cool things with regards to ways to communicate with other people who have Apple watches.
1:49:14There's a way to tap the screen of the Apple Watch to make somebody else's Apple Watch vibrate very slightly.
1:49:19And I thought oh this is an interesting and different form of communication.
1:49:25And one thing that I did think was very cool was doing walking navigations with a watch.
1:49:32So if you set a destination you know I want to walk from here to the royal Royal Albert Hall the watch will do that
1:49:39navigation. But by using a vibration feedback on your wrist so you don't need to look at it.
1:49:45I don't know exactly what the mechanism is but they said it's different vibrations for whether
1:49:49or not you're supposed to turn left or right or go straight at an intersection and I thought that is great
1:49:55and that is a feature that I can totally see using because sometimes when my wife and I are walking around play.
1:50:00If we were in New York.
1:50:01I do want to keep track and make sure that we're going towards a particular place
1:50:06but I don't want to have my headphones in for the Bluetooth navigation you know while we're just relaxing
1:50:12or something
1:50:13and so I thought hey I can easily see on a vacation doing something like setting the walking directions to the hotel
1:50:22and then I would just always have a sense of am I walking towards
1:50:25or away from the hotel kind of ambient awareness of where is the hotel in relation to me.
1:50:32I'm not totally sounds a bit weird to me
1:50:34but still if my watch vibrated to tell me to turn left I'd still want a visual map.
1:50:40But for reassurance I'm not sure I'm going to just find that out. Now they're well not too new for me.
1:50:47I'm just I'm just trying to like run through as an action is presentational what might I possibly do
1:50:53and that was one thing that jumped in mind immediately and then I could use walking directions to either my wife
1:50:59and I are going someplace and I want to make sure that we're headed in the right direction
1:51:02and we're just walking around we're not in the car
1:51:05or this kind of I want to pin a location to be ambient Lea aware of
1:51:10when I'm just exploring the kinds of things I was thinking of
1:51:14but that is that's not a feature that that that sells me on this.
1:51:18So I think it's coming pretty clear to the conclusion that the Apple Watch does not in that presentation have anything
1:51:26that would make me think oh I have to go out
1:51:28and buy this I can't think what it looks like he sort of hinted at a thing that presentable face of the i Phone
1:51:34but I think it suffers from that same rounded childlike goofiness that the i Phone six is suffering from.
1:51:43I don't I don't actually like her looks that much I think it is.
1:51:48It reaches the heights of OK I think it looks OK It doesn't look great it doesn't look awful.
1:52:00Looks like a sleek smart watch
1:52:03but it's sickness still gives it away as you are wearing a tiny computer on your wrist and you are a nerd.
1:52:13I own they have a lot of the different bands which do look like they put a lot of time in there and they're great
1:52:20and they do have different faces that you know that you have the gold watches which I want to get back to as often so I
1:52:26think I think they have done their best with the current level of technology.
1:52:31But it doesn't it doesn't strike me as looking really great.
1:52:37I can't remember which one it is I mean it hasn't gotten great reviews
1:52:40but maybe it's Motorola I think the Motorola three sixty Yeah that's a slightly better looking watch that Moto three
1:52:47sixty six fat I think it's still fat but I think circular makes it look much nicer.
1:52:54I mean I've never like square watches just to begin with.
1:52:56Yeah I've always preferred circular watches
1:52:58and people make fun of the Moto three sixty because there's a little bit of blackness at the bottom where the image
1:53:03can't go all the way around because the way the screen is designed seems relatively trivial
1:53:08but the face of the Moto three sixty I think looks nicer than the Apple Watch.
1:53:13But here here's what I want to come back to you about the kind of summing up thoughts on the watches this
1:53:19and watching this presentation.
1:53:22And it's becoming clear to me as it goes on that this is this is not a product for me and that's totally fine.
1:53:29I suspect Apple will be very successful with it anyway.
1:53:32You know that everything has to be custom made for me although it would be nice if it was.
1:53:37But watching this I had a similar feeling to when I watched the first i Phone keynote which was the same.
1:53:48I have no use for this product right now.
1:53:51This is undeniably something cool and I also don't doubt that lots of people will find it very useful.
1:53:59But the first time.
1:54:00Phone was the same thing it didn't tick the boxes that I needed to take in order to feel like I can justify that
1:54:05purchase. Yeah but the key thing about both the i Phone and the Apple Watch is that they are not regular devices.
1:54:18They are tiny computers and so what really defines these devices is the software that runs on them.
1:54:28And so when I got my first i Phone is really my first i Pod Touch but just list keep it simple
1:54:35and say my my first i Phone right.
1:54:38The reason that I bought it was entirely because of a single piece of software which was the to do list manager I used
1:54:47at the time it was called Remember the Milk and they came out with an app for IO S.
1:54:52That allowed you to have all of your to do's in your pocket and then you could update it
1:54:56and it would synchronize back and you know everything would just work on your computer and in your pocket.
1:55:03And the instant that came out this equation shifted from that was your killer. Yeah.
1:55:09Suddenly the calculus is I am going to get an enormous amount of value out of this device
1:55:15and everything else about it it's a phone it's an instant messenger and it can do none of that is relevant.
1:55:22I would have bought it if it was just a dedicated.
1:55:25Remember the Milk device in a does nothing else because that was a valuable thing.
1:55:29Yeah and so I look at the watch and I feel like well well watch you
1:55:34and I have a date at some point in the future you know I don't know when that's going to be.
1:55:41But sooner or later
1:55:42when Apple opens us up to third party developers someone is going to come up with a piece of software that working with
1:55:50the limitations of the watch is incredibly valuable in a way that I am not thinking of currently
1:55:56and then I will buy it and I don't know when.
1:56:00It's going to happen
1:56:00but I feel it is even though I absolutely love the watch that I wear on my wrist now it is inevitable because of the
1:56:07very nature and utility of software that at some point it will out compete.
1:56:13My current watch for this space on my wrist because software gets better and more useful over time
1:56:20and the utility function of my current watch is a horizontal line that never improves it's high it is really high
1:56:27compared to the Apple Watch but it does not grow you have to watch don't step or watch can tell you the times.
1:56:33Oh that hasn't got the battery problem but it has a battery problem.
1:56:36It also has the problem that I can't wear it in the shower and I can't take it to the gym.
1:56:42I mean I was I was thinking of sometimes my gym routine is go to the gym shower
1:56:48and then immediately from the shower go into a sauna right incredibly steamy hot environment
1:56:55and then from the sauna go into an icy shower
1:56:59or the pool I just imagine the Apple Watch exploding under those environmental constraints.
1:57:05I can't imagine what you think about me wanting to get a watch that requires winding up and then you watch.
1:57:10No I'm I'm OK with that you're OK well I know what watches are mailed jewelry in some ways and the.
1:57:22A jury falls into a category everything that is not its utility is not measured entirely based on what it does.
1:57:30Yeah futility is also partly this intangible function of how do you feel about it.
1:57:35How do you like it how do you like the way it looks and the routine of winding a mechanical watch.
1:57:43I think that can be part of the enjoyment of the watch a relational Yeah there's one thing he said.
1:57:49You compared to the the release of the Apple Watch to the release of the i Phone
1:57:54and I think there are there are differences and there are of the similar.
1:58:00Yes but just to talk about some of the differences. The watch is more out there. It's more of a fashion thing.
1:58:08Like what it looks like matters more
1:58:11and I think in terms of something that looks nice on your wrist as hard as I've tried in my opinion and my taste.
1:58:19This is a real retrograde step for watches it's like this is this would be a step backwards for anyone who has a watch
1:58:26right.
1:58:27They would be having something that looks less nice on their wrist in my opinion the i Phone didn't feel like that the
1:58:33i Phone didn't feel like an abomination against all the telephones around at the time.
1:58:40If anything it was maybe not I'm looking at some of them.
1:58:43Now I agree there and the other thing is yeah I mean that's the main thing
1:58:49and the other thing is you know they aren't going to like an improvement on phones the Apple Watch almost feels like an
1:58:58improvement.
1:58:59You know a bad step backwards even though it's a computer
1:59:03and does all these things I feel like they've got a tougher job they've got a tough job
1:59:08and I don't think it's very good looking. Your criticism is valid.
1:59:15I think if anybody has a watch that cost more than a hundred dollars on their wrist the Apple Watch almost certainly
1:59:22looks worse aesthetically than the watch they're wearing.
1:59:25Yeah and I like when I talk about software improves hardware improves as well.
1:59:32And I saw a few people on Twitter actually made a comment we want to skip to the i Phone four version of this one that
1:59:42we had needs to grow into its looks.
1:59:44You need to go into its looks
1:59:46and also at you know as time goes on they will be able to reduce the thickness they'll be able to change various
1:59:53features about it and so that that kind of stuff will start I think allowing the watch to chip away at. That X.
2:00:01That it is losing out on and you know who knows how long it will take
2:00:06but I think we can say pretty confidently given that computers keep miniaturizing
2:00:12and battery technology is getting better although very slowly at some point they'll be able to fit them.
2:00:19The electronics of an apple watch in the same casing in design size of any other watch on the market today.
2:00:28You know who knows how long that will take but it will get there at some point
2:00:33and then it's a much more on a static level even playing field
2:00:37and then it is really about the utility of the software
2:00:41and what value that's if that's if that's a thing you say because usually
2:00:46when Apple releases a new product I know this is just personal taste and some people hate Apple but usually
2:00:51when Apple relations are product it looks cool.
2:00:55It looks like it's fashionable right now or even looks like it's tomorrow's code thing.
2:00:59But look like an i Pad or MacBook or even most of the i Macs and things like that. You look at it and.
2:01:09I Phone six to buy side to be off and you look at it
2:01:11and you think Man that's just so cool it looks like it was designed by someone from five years in the future and
2:01:17when I have come back and given it to us but all of it all fell out of the two thousand and one spaceship
2:01:23and it landed on the watched the Apple Watch It was a bit like it was designed by someone in the one nine hundred
2:01:29eighty S.
2:01:30Imagining what they think the future would be like
2:01:32and it's a bit embarrassing it's a bit like no that's not that's not what the cool watch.
2:01:38Everyone's going to be wearing looks like that's what you imagine that might look like if you were back then
2:01:43but it lingers in the curtain of the comparison it is almost the history of the future of what people thought it was
2:01:51going to look like.
2:01:52Yeah so I'm on time disappointed in that respect you know I'm not disappointed to watch as I said I really like watches
2:01:59and I think they called.
2:02:00Things and I'm happy for them still and I like apple and I think magical things
2:02:05but they haven't they haven't made something that looks cool no matter what it does
2:02:11and maybe I'll buy one because it will do something I can't resist.
2:02:14But no matter what happens at the moment I look at that
2:02:16and I think I don't want that on my wrist I don't covet that you know I have a i Phone five I have a MacBook so I kept
2:02:25at the Amiga Speight master professional but I don't covet this work you know
2:02:31and that's probably good because you should cover things.
2:02:34Yeah but if you're a company it is your job to design the comfortable
2:02:39and yes I think that they have they have failed in some respect on this one.
2:02:43There's only one other thing that I just want to mention.
2:02:46The price which had some for some reason had never really crossed my mind Apple said something something like Apple
2:02:54want starts at three hundred and fifty dollars and it was four hundred dollars I don't remember exactly.
2:03:00And they do that with every product they say oh it starts at whatever and sometimes they tell you what it goes up to
2:03:05and sometimes they don't but it's seems like so
2:03:09when they said that in my mind I felt like all of the other products where they say oh i Pad starts at five ninety nine
2:03:16and maybe the most expensive one then mentally you think of it so I could double that price gets me to the most
2:03:23expensive Yeah yeah at most.
2:03:25Yes you all the better memory and everything you know
2:03:27or with the computers like the IMAX you feel like OK I could probably go three times.
2:03:32Whatever the base prices
2:03:34and with their crazy ones the mac pros which I do covet their beautiful little cylinder computers I don't have a
2:03:42definitely would love to have those ones it's like OK this can go up to maybe ten times the base price.
2:03:50That's kind of the mental range that I was thinking and I'm looking at those watches
2:03:53and I was thinking OK let's say it's three fifty and my mental My mental projection was.
2:04:00This is like a mac pro product.
2:04:02So maybe the most expensive version of this that a person can possibly get is three
2:04:07and a half thousand dollars for the high end watch what for the best.
2:04:12And yeah yeah like OK I'm going to go all out I want the gold one and I want the fanciest bands that they have
2:04:19and like how much is that going to run me
2:04:22and I was mentally projecting I probably like three I have four thousand dollars something like that
2:04:26and I hadn't I just never really thought about it at all.
2:04:29The group that wrote this piece where he's trying to speculate about what is the upper price that the Apple Watch can
2:04:34possibly be. And he found out that one those gold watches are not gold plated they are solid gold all the way through.
2:04:45Which puts the resource cost of them at something like ten thousand times what are the minimum
2:04:53and then he starts going through
2:04:55and comparing it to the price of a Rolex is another high end luxury watches sort of like we were talking about at the
2:05:03beginning. How much does it cost to get a really expensive watch.
2:05:07He had this line which I copy pasted because I had just loved it I think it's great he says.
2:05:13I think Apple Watch prices are going to be shockingly high.
2:05:17Gasp inducing Lee get me to the fainting couch high
2:05:23and he give the number he throw the number there saying he wouldn't be surprised if the top price was thirty five
2:05:30thousand dollars for the gold watch with the best band which when I read it I swear I gasped out loud
2:05:38and I felt like I need to sit down to write that never even crossed my mind that it would be possibly that expensive.
2:05:45Mrs Gray I'd go a long way to putting in fact Hammett
2:05:47and OK She actually she is much more interested in the Apple Watch than I am she she was a presentation about who I
2:05:54could I could definitely get one of those.
2:05:55Yeah I will probably be starting with that sports band one of the you know three fifths.
2:06:00One day not today to talk too long. We have wanted to discuss a little bit about the mac vs P.C.
2:06:06or Mattresses Android world which is an interesting thing that is just unavoidable online.
2:06:11Yeah and there are a lot of people who really dislike Apple very viscerally
2:06:18and I cannot imagine the freak out that is going to happen if Apple does announce the price
2:06:24and they say oh it's twenty thousand forty thousand dollars for a high end watch.
2:06:28Yeah I think people really will just lose their minds over that price.
2:06:35It'll be interesting to see what happens with this
2:06:38and I feel like that is now actually one of the things I want to know the most about the watch.
2:06:42It adds to the cache of it like part of part of the thing I love so much about that
2:06:47and they thought is that it's expensive.
2:06:49It's the thing that stops me owning it but it also is the thing that it's one of the.
2:06:54It's one of the things I like about it like OK like it makes it say it's more exclusive you know and it's.
2:07:03Well this is this is how pricing works.
2:07:04Yeah yeah it's there's I mention a lot on the pocket
2:07:09but I love economics it is always a subject that has been close to my heart
2:07:15and there are many things that you can describe with just straight up supply
2:07:19and demand it answers a lot of questions about the pricing of various things but supply
2:07:25and demand gets really weird when you start talking about luxury goods that are not necessarily supply constrained.
2:07:35And then the very price of the good is part of the attraction of it.
2:07:41Yeah and it seems like it is crazy but there are points on that that pricing curve if you're a company
2:07:51or you can say you know we're going to triple the price of this item like this luxury watch knowing full well.
2:08:00All that we have just cut our audience in half who can possibly buy it.
2:08:04Yeah
2:08:04but we're still coming out ahead because we have we've sold it to these very this very small group of people who can
2:08:12pay a lot of money.
2:08:13Apple doesn't need to sell a lot of thirty thousand dollar watches to the huge amount of money on those things I mean
2:08:22you think how many phones does Apple need to sell to make fifteen thousand dollars in profit.
2:08:29Or how many one dollar apps does Apple need to sell to make fifteen thousand dollars vs pure profit versus selling one
2:08:37gold phone. You know if they make the margin that high anyway.
2:08:44Can I just say because I know this is going to happen so a nip in the bud to those people who are going to ride on
2:08:50either the veranda or send me a message saying Hey Brady you're not going to believe this
2:08:54but my dad bought me a lamp Strongs Omega space from a second hand shop in Ohio and when he gave it to me
2:09:03and now it sits on a shelf in my bathroom I gotta say to those people I'd rather not know.
2:09:10I don't feel the need to tell me. There can only be one of those people right.
2:09:18You know I mean you know Armstrong's as in the Smithsonian anyway you know. Interesting fact interesting fact.
2:09:23Yes Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin on Apollo eleven both had to make it.
2:09:27Speedmaster professionals Sorry about the little clock in the lunar module was malfunctioning for timing how long they
2:09:35were doing things you say because it wasn't working.
2:09:38Neil Armstrong left his watch in the module as almost like the official clock of the craft
2:09:43and didn't wear his on the surface of the moon.
2:09:46Buzz Aldrin did wear his on the surface of the moon so it was Buzz Aldrin swatch that was the first walked on the moon.
2:09:52Not know Armstrong was well I guess that's the one.