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0:00:00We have the real me if you want to be the role I don't know I'm being original trying to tell you my Al story

0:00:07but if you're out you know like by now says ones that look really like they look like I look mean and weird.

0:00:15Yeah beautiful but they're also quite mean and weird looking you know

0:00:18and I know exactly what you mean I was home one day alone at my old house and I was in the kitchen

0:00:25and I just looked to my left

0:00:26and standing in the dining room at night was one of those bands like just looking at me like in the house in the house

0:00:35and to this day I don't know how I got in I think it musta come down the chimney but like it looked properly mane

0:00:41and it didn't look happy to be there

0:00:43and I was like What am I going to do so I kind of went towards it it's something I don't remember what I did

0:00:49but it completely spoke to it and just out of flying around the house it flew into my office and was going crazy

0:00:54and then it flew at Louie Louie my dog. Who is the least braved OK Steve Doakes.

0:01:01Jesus she's a very sweet dog but she is not a guard dog she was terrified.

0:01:06So anyway like I had I took her away and locked her in a room and continued my pursuit of this very scared Al

0:01:14and it kind of eventually kind of cornered itself.

0:01:18And like I got this big blanket and I went to throw it on the air and because I was a bit a bit nervous

0:01:25and being a bit wary I like didn't throw a fire and I found it like social.

0:01:29Yeah and I think by this point the bird was just like sick of it and it just likes it basically looked me in the eye

0:01:35and said look I think you're going to have to do that again and I slaved over and picked it up

0:01:40and threw a second time and this resigned itself and like then I picked up the Allen side a blank

0:01:45and took it outside and threw it in the air flew away to tell you gosh I was excited.

0:01:51I kind of that kind of exciting stuff doesn't happen to open to others like us very often.

0:01:56No it doesn't but I would be. Concerned about that big barn owl because those things have claws that are no joke. Amen.

0:02:06Oh it was scary.

0:02:07You know I think if I came home

0:02:11and there was a barn owl in my house I might just try to make sure all the windows were open and then just wait.

0:02:18Just think OK you will eventually. Now you can you can put your head in the sand.

0:02:25Why oh why couldn't I have them thinking about the current the current house that I'm in now there's a door that

0:02:31divides the flat basically into two sections.

0:02:35And so whatever section the owl was in I would just make sure the windows were open in that section

0:02:39and then close the door and just spend my time in the other section.

0:02:43It's going it's going to leave there's nothing to eat in the flat.

0:02:47If you could go for days without food

0:02:50but I just I can't do it just for the same reason that I think it's a wild animal stumbled across me in the woods the

0:02:59wild animal could reasonably think well this is not a creature who belongs in the forest I'm sure if we just wait to

0:03:06leave and go back into that indoor environment where he lives.

0:03:09I would look at the owl and think the same thing now

0:03:12but I wouldn't think that if you were like in its nest then it would be hang on a second I'm going to take action here.

0:03:18This thing's in my nest.

0:03:20Yeah but it's not as it should I would wait for the owl is the bottom line those talons are are big

0:03:26and scary we're not talking about that like a little screech owl.

0:03:30Those I mean if a little screech owl that's different I would figure OK with a blanket.

0:03:33I would be much more concerned about injuring the screech owl a barn owl is I mean nothing that big.

0:03:38I don't I didn't oh well but I think it was the right course of action I think locking in a room with a window open

0:03:44and hoping for the best was not there was no way I should have been done.

0:03:48I like you I really hope destiny doesn't listen to this now manly country bumpkin friend I think probably he probably

0:03:57wrestles ALS every morning just for exercise.

0:04:00Destin is an amazing human being and definitely a very manly guy he would have known what to do.

0:04:07He would but I almost think that destine he wouldn't have to wrestle with the hour.

0:04:12He would just know some barn owl whistle that he could make and it would fly fly over land on his arm

0:04:18and then he would just roll with it outside and release bird and it would it would often go and slow motion.

0:04:25Exactly that is what would happen if you had an owl in his house.

0:04:31We forgot last week our Like most important announcement.

0:04:36Well I feel like I forgot I feel like my one job is to remember a few things and because I don't have check lists

0:04:44and that is that is a very exciting expansion of the hello Internet empire. Yes Empire indeed.

0:04:52The hello internet pod cast is now on You Tube as I mentioned in my announcement video on my own channel not only is it

0:05:00on You Tube It is on You Tube with stunning H.D.

0:05:04Visuals of things you can just order one huge if you go to have a video to go with it.

0:05:09There are plenty of park at the Just use of the logo but I thought that's not that's not the way that we should go

0:05:14and you have provided some excellent footage for the first two with a couple of toys that people can go see on the You

0:05:23Tube channel.

0:05:24I do have to say I was kind of baffled because in a number of the comments I saw people wondering

0:05:31when we just put the first one up which is the very famous drinking bird in physics you have a video explaining about

0:05:36how the how the the stringing bird works.

0:05:38It's everybody knows that it's the bringing bread from the episode of The Simpsons that was during the nuclear power

0:05:42station for a little while anyway. People saw people sleeping in the Commons wondering if this was if this was mine.

0:05:51If I owned this thing and I found it kind of baffling that anybody could could listen to the show and also think.

0:06:00That I would own such an object and also you are clearly the video guy. So just for the record here people.

0:06:07Brady is filming these things and I presume that you're keeping them somewhere in your house on the site

0:06:13and I am I am keeping a little show of Net To be fair I didn't write it thinking dipping bird thing either.

0:06:20I am buying these things for the podcast

0:06:23but because they are becoming Internet famous I am now keeping them honest shelf as each one appears in one of the

0:06:29videos and I'm like I'm retiring

0:06:31and I'm hoping to have like a show full of all the styles some stage maybe will have a big bike in a charity auction

0:06:38or something

0:06:39or like a private commercial auction want one of the you know be able to just like give them to really rich people

0:06:44maybe Bill Gates will make is enough.

0:06:46Yeah now that I didn't duck that was in the hello internet podcast thing yes you can put a shelf

0:06:52and the house I expect to see a shelf in the house then if I come and visit.

0:06:55Try to have a lot of shelf space in my office at the moment some more official space I have are asking if you have an

0:07:01empty shelf space you don't need it you need to fill it with things you can't just leave it empty

0:07:06and the sounds perfect.

0:07:07Well you do know and what we have to this is no episode I think this is thirteen today that we're recording this out

0:07:14and even though so that is eventually going to be at least thirteen objects we're committed to season two so relieved

0:07:21twenty objects and I can reuse any toy that has to be a new toy.

0:07:26Yes Yes We don't want to reuse stuff that's just leaving.

0:07:29So are you planning on trying to visualize how the shelf space is going to go with twenty objects.

0:07:36I think I should I'm going to start trying to find and suggest unusually large toys for you to film.

0:07:42I think it would be helpful.

0:07:44OK try to find a think of the biggest thing that is also reasonable to film

0:07:48and acquire awkwardly sit on your shelf for anyone who hasn't actually seen the videos you know obviously this is just

0:07:57this is just the pod cast. But this is key. Ten us however long the pod cast is video of this toy just doing its thing.

0:08:04So it's like a dipping duck for like nearly an hour and it won't surprise you to know gray that in my past actually

0:08:11when I used to work at a newspaper in Australia I did start a little collection of little desk toys like little little

0:08:18things I could turn around and things like that and I don't know why did I just I just had them there

0:08:23and it became a real a real feature of the office and people used to stop by my desk and play with them all

0:08:28and look at them

0:08:29and people people really enjoyed it so I feel like recapturing a part of my early life to collecting these again.

0:08:35So it sounds like a productive working environments to have people causally stop it which might have been what you were

0:08:39aiming for was that it was an enjoyable job it was a job for which you were looking for distractions.

0:08:44None I was I was a newspaper journalist it was busy and I didn't have time to play with

0:08:48and you know so just a nice though just a nice thing. That's fair enough.

0:08:53So with the pod cast on you as I mean you're in charge of this release are asking you more than anything what these are

0:09:02kind of about ten episodes behind they so people can watch what you listen to them on You Tube and episodes behind

0:09:10or follow us in the usual ways for the kind of more up to date stuff for the time being anyway that the You Tube

0:09:17version is going to be about to see them behind is what you can assume and we did that.

0:09:21Partly because I was surprised by how many people requested the podcast actually be on youtube.

0:09:27It's funny I'm falling for that same bias I think everybody does where you assume other people are much more like you

0:09:34than they necessarily are

0:09:36and so because I listen to all of my podcast basically on my phone through a podcast app I assume everybody listens the

0:09:44same way. But I obviously have from feedback that we've gotten that is not the case.

0:09:49People listen in lots of different ways

0:09:50and I was I was surprised because You Tube seemed to be one of the least of the messages I got one of the clear

0:09:55contenders for another option that people wanted so that's what that's what we're doing for that.

0:10:00I'm being and yes I will I will be relying on you for continuous interesting toy videos and stocking up on them

0:10:08and if anyone's got any toys they want to suggest a safe aged Ono's any sort of you know high profile toy supplies you

0:10:16know get in touch you can email Graham be ignored he may and maybe get a reply

0:10:22or put something on the road that way who definitely will say it.

0:10:24Email Brady I like those

0:10:25but we've actually had this happened a couple of times where you have passed on to me something interesting that

0:10:31and you have received an email from a listener and I like this I like the system that people e-mail you

0:10:36and then you will let me know about a few things that make if your own filters I I am one hundred percent in approval

0:10:42of this system. Have the ones that have made it through email.

0:10:45Been good enough like am I proving in effect if they would like have you looked at them

0:10:49and said yeah Brady was right to pass that one on him.

0:10:51Yes No I definitely I definitely think that you would have heard much more vocally from me otherwise if I if I didn't I

0:10:57didn't think what you are passing on was was worth passing on

0:11:01or you would have just heard nothing because I wouldn't have replied

0:11:03but I think I've applied every sentence so yes it definitely isn't is.

0:11:07Email Brady briefly is the great keeper here I show you I ignore laws well put something on the Reddit because we both

0:11:14like to read less true history.

0:11:17Yet somehow the people who listen to podcasts on Egypt as I just opened it like in a separate tab

0:11:22and just have in the background or they sit there and watch that stuff.

0:11:28From what I've From what I've heard people will just have it on in the background they have on as a as a separate tab.

0:11:33Although there was one commenter who said he basically put the duck on loop all day

0:11:39and muted to go at it you know nothing about it but you know whatever works for you buddy.

0:11:45He said he found that the video was really soothing to him and so whatever works.

0:11:49I'm happy the video

0:11:50or the video that we've put on the second podcast I actually quite like watching like I could watch that for a while.

0:11:56The DOT gets pretty tired pretty quick but the second one without. That colorful liquid toy.

0:12:02I really enjoyed looking at that one it's the second one is much more beautiful. The Duck has drama though.

0:12:08You're waiting for it to take a drink of water.

0:12:12I am looking forward to seeing what you come up with for our future videos.

0:12:15So if people are interested you can go on You Tube and for the moment search for L. O.

0:12:19Internet and it's the one that comes up right at the top and subscribe on there if you prefer to get the show that way.

0:12:29I was surprised in the last pod cast I asked how many people listen to this podcast who don't watch your videos

0:12:40or my videos.

0:12:41Basically people who found the pod cast first and I kind of assumed that there would be nobody but there

0:12:50when there was enough feedback both on Reddit and on Twitter from people who had found the podcast in other ways

0:12:56and you know listen to the podcast

0:12:58and only then afterwards worked out who we are because we had no introduction at all in the first episode really we

0:13:05just we just went went straight ahead and I was.

0:13:09I mean no offense to those people and I'm really grateful for them and I've said such nice things

0:13:15but if you've never watched one of Gray's videos

0:13:17and you've got no interest in my videos I'm amazed that someone would listen to a single word he said

0:13:23but just a couple of idiots that was kind of my feeling as well as I can't believe anyone who doesn't follow the videos.

0:13:31It's I think that goes in some ways to demonstrate the strength of the of the to do.

0:13:35John Wright if you if you like the conversation between the two dudes because there's no other reason to listen I think

0:13:42as we have clearly established we are not experts on very many of the things that we talk about so it's just it's just

0:13:48a conversation between two guys.

0:13:49So I am very very grateful as well to listeners who don't follow our our work on You Tube that's that's perfectly fine.

0:13:58I was just completely surprised that anybody.

0:14:00Would listen for more than just the briefest of moments

0:14:03but as best I can work out they were there were two sources most of those people came from

0:14:08and the first is an app for i think it for i Phone

0:14:11and Android called Pocket casts which is a podcast manager for your phone

0:14:18and they have a little featured section which you have been on the front of for a little while so thank you to whoever

0:14:24is that pocket Cason has decided that we are worthy of being in the featured section I appreciate that very much.

0:14:31You have a brown paper bag full of money coming your way.

0:14:34Say thank you and all but it will put a link to their app in the descriptions of people want to check it out.

0:14:40Go ahead if you don't use a park as a manager you should definitely check out there's a whole bunch of really great

0:14:45ones pocket Catholic great to so go check them out. And the second one is apparently the Web site Digg has a weekly.

0:14:53What's interesting and what's new around the Internet

0:14:56and so some gracious editor at Digg include us on that list as well so thank you to that person

0:15:01and those got to be the main places people found us there are a few messages

0:15:04and this is just anecdotal from people who are saying that listening just because like a friend recommended it like

0:15:10someone who probably does watch the videos and listen to the podcast

0:15:13and I said to their friend Look I know you've done my videos and stuff but listen to this

0:15:17and I've learned how to listen and enjoy it really warms my heart.

0:15:21Stories I quite like the idea of that

0:15:23but like just old fashioned someone just recommending something like tea with their mouth into your ears like that stew

0:15:31happens it's so analog. But I agree with you and I'm on a on a similar note is one thing.

0:15:40If we're talking about things that have warmed our hearts there's one thing I have definitely noticed in the comments

0:15:46which catches my attention is the the reverse situation of that people who have said that they basically never listen

0:15:56to podcasts they never really listened to audio in.

0:16:00This form until they either found the pod cast from you or from my video my announcement video

0:16:06and because because of that they have gone into pod cast so that they're collecting a whole bunch

0:16:12and now they're listening to a lot of podcasts and they're finding it enjoyable feature of life

0:16:17and that really warms my heart because I think we've talked about before I maybe even I said it

0:16:22and one of the ads I can't remember but I feel that listening to audio in some form is just a huge part of my life.

0:16:33I'm always listening to audiobooks or I'm listening to podcasts

0:16:37and I know they're just big spaces in my life where I can't imagine not listening to something while I'm doing

0:16:44something else that I really like that I feel that it adds a lot to my life and so I'm very very happy to hear

0:16:50when other people say that they have they have been introduced to the podcast world even if they don't like our

0:16:55particular pod cast and they just they move on from there and they find other other shows that they like.

0:17:00That's I think that's just great I'm very happy listening to stuff it's not good now because it's that's that's how it

0:17:06works if I would like people to just join the world of of things to listen to obviously I would prefer that they listen

0:17:12to our show all the time as well. But there's no accounting for people particular preferences.

0:17:18But anyway I've got just a bunch of messages like that I've seen a bunch of messages or people say Oh.

0:17:23Thanks I'm subscribed to a bunch of podcasts now I never did before and I think that that's really great I hope.

0:17:28I hope people enjoy this as this other dimension to life that can be added with listening to things like podcasts

0:17:35and congratulations to anyone out there who managed to warm grace that is an accomplishment.

0:17:41Now in the last forecast we talked a lot about your net neutrality video and other people's

0:17:47and the net neutrality debate in general and you talked about the upcoming F.C.C. Ruling.

0:17:55What happened the thing that was fidgeting about this was this is he does this.

0:18:00This announcement and immediately afterward there's a bunch of news stories about the F.C.C.

0:18:06Announcement and it was impossible to tell from these news stories what happened.

0:18:14So I noticed a couple things that the let's just say that they were technical web sites who were covering this who

0:18:22wrote articles that were basically content free

0:18:26and then within three minutes of the announcement being finished on two major newspapers

0:18:34and I think it was the New York Times

0:18:36and The Washington Post they both immediately posted stories with big headlines that drew the opposite conclusions

0:18:43about what happened.

0:18:44So one of them had a story that net neutrality was defended forever

0:18:48and the other one that net neutrality was just sunk forever for me. Again it reminded me of your coming out be first.

0:18:56Being wrong but not for long. Wrong but not for long. OK Right now the sound even better.

0:19:01But for you those newspapers and I was just thinking. Good job guys good job. That's some quality workmanship here.

0:19:08Two major newspapers can't agree on the whatever it was.

0:19:12But you're going to you're going to plow ahead anyway and publish your stories well done guys I really appreciate that.

0:19:17Got to pay him looking to going to click. People keep people looking.

0:19:22God forbid we try to figure out what someone actually said anyway what I thought it was kind of an interesting rollout

0:19:30because I'm sitting here than trying to find out well what what really happened from this F.C.C.

0:19:36Ruling what's going on. I did see a couple of your tweets you did seem confused.

0:19:40Yes

0:19:40and I pointed out the same thing I was just saying that there's just tons of headlines all over the place that aren't

0:19:45aren't being clear and there was there was just this bizarro rollout where then the F.C.C.

0:19:52Made public the notes that they had handed out to reporters in the room which didn't say anything clear at all

0:19:59and then.

0:20:00Finally they made an outline of the proposal available online which I read through

0:20:04and did you glean anything from this.

0:20:06Well the relevant fact is that nothing happened and there's a consultation period which is going to last for months.

0:20:14Consultation period. Yes And then the actual law is going to go into effect or the or the actual F.C.C.

0:20:21Proposal I should say is going to go into effect if he sees in this.

0:20:25But anyway it's just kind of infuriating

0:20:29and I thought it was just a great example of what happens with trying to report on a topic like this

0:20:36and it was very interesting to see on Twitter people again on both sides just flipping out

0:20:41and saying oh net neutrality is destroyed forever

0:20:44and I was very consciously trying not to be one of those people because of the confusing headlines

0:20:49and because of the confusing nature of what had actually occurred

0:20:52and we don't actually know people is not clear in the slightest.

0:20:56But what if this document says we're going to have four months of consultation.

0:21:01What was being jumped on rightly or wrongly by people for them to draw any conclusions.

0:21:07Was there some Was there some word or phrase somewhere that was setting off bells

0:21:12or seizing people's worries now that this was a problem there was basically this hour long boring conference where

0:21:20different members of the F.C.C. Board just said a whole bunch of stuff about their thoughts.

0:21:24And then at the end made an announcement about what everybody was talking about their individual thought process

0:21:29leading up to their decision their decision to make a consultation period basically.

0:21:36So it was you could you could have gotten out of that almost anything you want because people on the F.C.C.

0:21:42Board had contrary opinions the vote was not a unanimous vote so I think the story would be very anti climactic.

0:21:50Yeah it was it was the most anticlimactic thing that could ever possibly happen

0:21:55and I also I just want to have an enormous asterisk before.

0:22:00For this statement but I I read the I don't know what the correct term for it is

0:22:04but the formal outline for the actual F.C.C.

0:22:09Proposal and from my reading of it I would came away from the conclusion of this doesn't this doesn't sound terrible.

0:22:17I'm having a hard time seeing why everybody is completely flipping out it is both a a non-story.

0:22:23Nothing has happened

0:22:25and is least the way this outline is phrased for many things from my own perspective I would say it doesn't it doesn't

0:22:32sound too bad there are a couple of parts where it does make me wonder a little bit

0:22:36but is rapidly getting beyond my my skillset here

0:22:41and I would have to rely on much more technical people to read the actual one hundred page real legal documents

0:22:50and I can't even if I wanted to I couldn't read and understand that in any way.

0:22:54Something or something is going to be written both in technical and legal terms

0:22:57but the outline seemed kind of reasonable

0:22:59but I think it's also because I have a very I have a very narrow perspective on net neutrality

0:23:06and precisely what that means and I guess I will try to get it on the record here.

0:23:11Engineers If you are talking about asynchronous peering agreements I am on board with this.

0:23:17I have always been on board with this.

0:23:19I understand why this is necessary I just intentionally chose not to talk about it in the video because it means

0:23:25nothing to most people but my own. Some can put me on that list are you talking about till the are for F.C.C.

0:23:32Nothing happened but we'll see you again in four months.

0:23:35Another thing that we just touched on briefly when we spoke in the last podcast was about the name net neutrality.

0:23:43Yes maybe not being a useful device in the kind of political discourse

0:23:50and we sort of threw it out there for people to come up with other suggestions.

0:23:53Have you seen or heard anything that you like the look of eyes. I saw some other ones but I was not.

0:24:00Being nothing grabbed me I think in another way it's hot isn't it.

0:24:05It's very hard I think to have a term that is both a meaningful and evocative.

0:24:14I think you know I think choking and throttling and words like that are a step in the right direction

0:24:19but someone I someone had a description that was something about talking about I S P choke holding networks

0:24:28and it's the same thing as they are that's the closer

0:24:32but it is then it still has to be something clumsy about it is who is doing the choke holding up under the ice.

0:24:41I didn't see anything that really grabbed me.

0:24:44I didn't think enough about give us some also on the come back to you and I when you're going to solve this for us.

0:24:50Yeah well although even if I solve it who's to say you weren't stabbed me in the back like you have a free voting I

0:24:56have just had a Jew in the back of stout you're going to do because I think we're free for you to have been born

0:25:04and you even supporting it

0:25:05and giving me like a pat on the back for this urban dictionary thing I And then last episode you know like in life

0:25:11recruiting I think it should be the checking that is not exactly what I said pretty much what you said.

0:25:21It's people people's minds can change it was as as as I thought it over more I lean more toward jacking to get heavier

0:25:32when I realize that the jacking is a mistake for two reasons obviously why don't why don't you tell me what the reasons

0:25:39are that Wells one is a sounds of rude it sounds like you know are you jacking I'm not pregnant pause there.

0:25:51Well I dunno I don't need to spell it out. And second they only. Pertains to visual media.

0:26:02What if someone free broach this podcast and as a podcast somewhere else there's no going on there.

0:26:09That's already a Jack and I I will. Actually I don't think that the rudeness is necessarily a problem.

0:26:18I think like an evocative word is not necessarily bad.

0:26:22I do agree that it has the weakness that it is related only to visual media

0:26:27but the biggest can tell you why I keep having a problem with with freebooting is the the way I saw people using it.

0:26:36People almost always use it in terms of piracy private piracy as in someone downloaded a copy of a movie that they

0:26:46didn't pay for and watched it and people were saying that they were freebooting it

0:26:50and I think I love how you're talking about it as if it's become this like sensation.

0:26:56Probably three people have ever used it but I spend most of my Reddit time now on my own Reddit which is strange

0:27:04but that's where I see all the common people using it on Twitter I think it's great it's really funny

0:27:10but I am aware that I rarely see it used in the context for which we were trying to define it which is somebody else.

0:27:18Profiting off of of the work of a third party without permission as in the newspaper's view Jack.

0:27:25Our videos that I almost know very famous had the jacket

0:27:30and this is why in my mind because it was the prom with the English language in general that all words lose their

0:27:39specificity over time and become increasingly meaningless versions of themselves

0:27:46and I think you jacking freebooting has gone through this in just a very fast lane reading at the time it has taken it

0:27:55to do I don't know ten podcasts. It's not a part of the page.

0:28:00Qantas has never acted with your group in the world and we're already having to like one episode seriously

0:28:08and it will be trying to come up with words to replace freebooting because it's become so I would have.

0:28:13Yeah that's true that's true.

0:28:15Taking of words and we had a we had a little talk about aluminium and aluminum last episode but what we did

0:28:24and we also talked about the fact that you used to memorize the periodic table which is sounds like a longer discussion

0:28:30for another day but we didn't talk about the fact we are going to get a new name on the periodic table.

0:28:35Oh and another element one hundred seventeen has been confirmed now.

0:28:42So it was a while it was a few years ago now that the Russians into open created a few atoms over and

0:28:49but that's never good enough and now the the other nine people that do this that the Germans have also created.

0:28:59So that counts as confirmation. And once you got confirmation that means you're going to cook up a name.

0:29:08So name a new element who I'm trying to think what the most recent new names have been decided to sell it to the to the

0:29:16teams get to decide Oh yeah it will be the tames I'm not sure if it's the Russians and Germans together

0:29:22or the Russians get priority.

0:29:25I'm not I would imagine the Russians would get priority but normally there's a few discoveries at once

0:29:31and there's a bit of compromise but here we seem to have just one element.

0:29:35So for example last time we had two new elements named and one was given an American and it was little more

0:29:42and then we had Phil Roe v M which was named after the Russian chap.

0:29:47So there was kind of a you know one for one deal but here we've got just one element.

0:29:52Oh it's one thirty one thirteen is still unnamed. Yeah that's interesting.

0:30:00Or it has whatever the and the placeholder name on and training him.

0:30:05Yeah whatever it is it's interesting that they so they they confirm the existence of one seventeen four one thirteen

0:30:12interesting also is it one one fifteen as well. Interesting interesting there's a few available still.

0:30:19Service will be the next one I reckon.

0:30:22Well I didn't do the video to appear in the videos

0:30:26and the professor the professor who's in my videos all the time because we've gone through this cycle probably four

0:30:33or five times now and every time I ask him what do you think it should be cold not that he has any.

0:30:37Not that he has any sway and he's always favored planking.

0:30:40He's always thought Max Planck the scientist should be honored and plain came as quite a nice name

0:30:45but he seems to have abandoned that now because when I asked him this time he's going for fine mania.

0:30:52I think that's how you pronounce it

0:30:53and anyway naming after Richard Feynman I mean I mean very big fan of Richard Feynman I have always loved the career of

0:31:02Richard Feynman as I would feel that I would want to back this because Fineman is just an just an amazing amazing

0:31:10example of a human being but that that said I I don't know if I'm in. Made any real contributions on a chemical level.

0:31:23It is primarily working in physics and it I think that the the periodic table should be biased towards chemists.

0:31:33So I would say this is where my my knowledge is is just weak.

0:31:37I'm not I'm not sure I could come up with a very long list of people who are not on the periodic table already who had

0:31:44influential impact on the chemical field so I was curious about who gets to decide whether there's plenty of place

0:31:54names on the periodic table but if if there are any. Any chemist scientists out there.

0:32:00Who are unrepresented on the periodic table it feels like the I love I love Fineman

0:32:05but they didn't feel like they should be ahead of him on the periodic table as a fundamental particle names.

0:32:12OK we can have a refinement on next for the next particle that we come across that would be perfectly OK I'm in face

0:32:20these creating these super heavy elements which they do by kind of smashing the atoms into each other to make like a

0:32:27bigger one. It's become a real physics game now anyway.

0:32:30Once you get down to this part of the periodic table and there's a lot of physicists you know

0:32:35or people that bridge that physics chemistry divide being on it you know see pork I think bridges the divide you know

0:32:44Einstein it has an element. Yeah I mean recently the Germans named one after Copernicus.

0:32:50So I don't you know they're pros. That's the most recent one I see here. One one one one twelve.

0:32:58Yeah that's why I was kind of curious to see who gets to decide but I well I think that I think the Russians

0:33:05and the Germans will decide and I will give a name to the to I you pack.

0:33:12Which I'm incorrectly name to last on the International Union of pure and applied chemistry.

0:33:19Well I think I said I think I said applied

0:33:22but they they usually I think pretty much rubber stamp the recommendations but if it's a group of Russians

0:33:29and Germans I can't see them recommending a famous American scientist could I could I you pack veto this if there were

0:33:38is that say the teen came up with some name that just everybody hated that Putin Putin another of those exactly what I

0:33:45was thinking I was going to say it

0:33:47but I was like Putin is that like I don't think I would I would never allow it to be named after a politician Charlie

0:33:55said. I was but I'm wondering if yes they would have if they would have a pair of eight. I'm sure.

0:34:00Yeah I think if I were if I was actually in charge of doing this I might try to try to scheme on the silliest possible

0:34:08name that you could think. You Packwood would not pass on.

0:34:13I think that would that would be an interesting an interesting game.

0:34:17I just have a ridiculous name for an Elephant Man are you going to point out there are sources I could think of

0:34:23something

0:34:23but not try thinking off the top of my head I cannot I cannot think of anything good suggestions in the right place.

0:34:30Yes just as in the book is the best one to mention.

0:34:33Next week maybe maybe one last one not a follow up

0:34:39and that was a pace of do you call a fan not a coder fan so I guess I guess we could call a fan out yes.

0:34:47Here we sort of privately discussed this before that the word fan is as awkward connotations.

0:34:54I think I have on the pod cast that the word fan a couple times

0:34:57but I don't I don't like to use it I don't I don't think it's a good descriptor. But in the U.R.L.

0:35:02The person use they themselves called it fan art so I think that it is fair to to gays

0:35:08but it is a deviant ART user named kiddie ninja fish which is a code name in a cell God I love the internet I love that

0:35:16that that can be a thing where you just look for getting into a fish that you are looking for and they put together

0:35:23or this this person did a very good drawing a cartoon of of the two of us

0:35:31and you want to try to describe it for our internet listeners.

0:35:34Well it's obviously riffing on this little craze that has started of where where I'm depicted as a caveman

0:35:41and you are a robot and people have been finding photos of cavemen

0:35:46and robots together which in itself I found very amusing that this person is actually rather than sourcing an existing

0:35:53picture has created their own and to be taking it to the next level. Yeah and it I guess it I would say it.

0:36:00Maybe not a very you know a very handsome a but a pretty accurate measure sitting at a computer in my cave hunting

0:36:11and pecking and with a little plane plane crash.

0:36:17Own imitating above me as I noted to my interest in aviation and as sort of a robotic C.G. P.

0:36:24Grey which I love in the background looking exasperated at my knee and so attempts at using a computer.

0:36:33Yes Yes I'm looking very exasperated in the background it's a very Marvin The Paranoid Android kind of look just you

0:36:41know hand on head exhausted by your hunting

0:36:44and pecking as I would be if I had to watch in real life he was very very good. Yeah I can you draw a euphoria.

0:36:51Do you have any artistic talent I have zero artistic talent on the terrible though I want to bring up this piece of fan

0:37:02art to be so well done the person who has done it clearly has a lot of talent

0:37:07and reshape that because I have no talent

0:37:11and I understand even for something simple like that a lot of effort goes into it and so I thought it looks great.

0:37:18Link in the show notes of people want to check it out and I don't know if you do and even I can give thumbs up

0:37:22or likes or hearts or something I dunno I couldn't I want to leave them a comment you had to have an account

0:37:27or something you know so I wanted to contact them and.

0:37:30Naively I was thinking I'd have to get the original That's a really nice thing

0:37:34and then I realized he's done on a computer has a nice and almost certainly he's done that on a on a tablet.

0:37:39Oh yeah you you can have the original and so can everybody which is why internet is great

0:37:45but yes so thank you very much to get into Phish really well done and it really made me smile I liked it so much.

0:37:53Thank you Ira. Metaphor Melissa getting along are full of of looking at the timer now.

0:38:00Now our follow up is now longer than the first episode was easily you and me chatting. We should just stop right here.

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0:40:00Show where space everything you need to create an exceptional website so one other thing that what we normally do after

0:40:07follow up is catch up the steps now taking as much as we can. Segments this is what we do. I mean since we last spoke.

0:40:16OS Like been to a whole other country.

0:40:18This is mind blowing to me because you know you he went to America and you lean back

0:40:24and from my perspective you came back before I even had a chance to miss you before you even realize that you were

0:40:30probably because you sent me a message.

0:40:32Brady's gun OK for a couple days and then it felt like the next time I paid attention.

0:40:36You were already back I didn't even have time to send you a message about how and

0:40:40when I was going through actual seven times a day as I think I went for that.

0:40:44That's very fast on my time scale that this is a this is fast because I

0:40:50when I went to California tours that's a fair distance is where were you.

0:40:54Was is the same thing you were doing last time if I went to I went to.

0:40:58Yeah the CLI again for some number of our business.

0:41:01So much was going on and yes basically just across the bay from San Francisco.

0:41:05See I'm getting into it now calling a pass right now and and then I went to San Diego and I met someone who's kind of.

0:41:17Oh we had kind of hero in a way.

0:41:20Oh yes that was a guy called Ron Graham who is the kind of divines invent discover use of a famous number code.

0:41:31Graham's number. Oh right right. Yeah.

0:41:34So for a long time it was sort of you know in the Guinness Book of Records as the biggest number ever used

0:41:40and I mean it has since been you say it's a long story

0:41:44but it's this whopping number that no one can comprehend I measure the number of video I can link to there is a

0:41:51Graham's number number for video but there are also hopefully in the weeks to come will be even more amazing

0:41:57when I spent a lot ites.

0:42:00Ten I was with him and we only recorded like two or three videos

0:42:05and the rest of the time we just need to tell me cool stories and tricks and taught me math stories

0:42:10and went to dinner and at the end I was just thinking I wish I was recorded this whole thing it was incredible.

0:42:16So there's really good is really good.

0:42:18So anyway that's what I've been up to but you know I say in the notes I have paid watching movies.

0:42:28Yes you you have traveled a third of the way around the world. I've been there and back again.

0:42:34You have been there and back again

0:42:36and what I can only imagine took the same amount of time he watched the first two hope it will be for you watch both of

0:42:44them first. Yes Yes I watched.

0:42:47It's an unexpected journey and the Desolation of Smaug I think is for them

0:42:51and before I ask before I ask have any stars to give each of them so I know what to expect.

0:42:59That that is actually there is actually a hard a hard question to answer.

0:43:04Again I happen to have an opportunity where I had kind of a the whole evening free

0:43:10and I thought you know what let me just do this let me just sit down and watch movies.

0:43:13Again I don't know if you have this experience

0:43:15but I have often found that if you have a low expectation of a movie it often improves your experience of watching the

0:43:24movie and the girl versus the reverse is true. You have really have.

0:43:27There's nothing worse than if everybody tells you something is the greatest thing ever and then you go to watch it

0:43:32and I was fine but you have such high expectations.

0:43:36I've only found one exception to that in my whole life which is the wire which I have been hearing about for years

0:43:41and years with the greatest T.V. Show ever made and I finally sat down to watch it and it was the greatest T.V.

0:43:47Show ever made because I got the story for another time. Yet though I have had four I mean a good few years now.

0:43:57Low expectations of The Hobbit.

0:44:00From what I heard about him stretching into three films

0:44:02and everybody who's ever watched it who's talking about it including yourself came back with no reviews at best

0:44:12and usually reviews about it being really boring and I said

0:44:17when I was walking into this with incredibly incredibly low expectations I think there are very few movies that I have

0:44:27on my own turned on to watch that I had lower expectations for than this movie

0:44:34and you know because the sentence you have on the books and that yes I would I would say I'm a fairly large token fan.

0:44:42So anyway so that these these expectations were low and remarkably the movies managed to Limbo below

0:44:52and high on the floor a set expectation of The Hobbit.

0:44:57I was expecting I was expecting just nothing and it was kind of worse than that and people's people's I don't know.

0:45:10I felt there is when people tell you boy these movies feel really long.

0:45:15There is there's no way in words someone can explain to you how long they really feel you have to experience this for

0:45:22yourself. And even Brian's number it's it's unbelievable and.

0:45:31I mean it was it was one of these things where right from the start I felt we were in trouble here where all that

0:45:42saying of the first somewhere there and having like dinner and singing songs.

0:45:47OK you've already skipped at least an hour into the movie. But let me let's go through a couple things here.

0:45:55But first of all the first Hobbit movie opens up with the prologue.

0:46:00Saying about what has happened with smog attacking that little bit was OK is fine that you know for a few minutes it's

0:46:10like you know as well.

0:46:11OK it was fine for a few minutes but I remember watching that scene

0:46:14and even that I think I remember thinking if I was the editor here I would have cut this down in half.

0:46:20I don't need all of these scenes of a dragon attacking the town. Yeah we get it we get this fire this smoke I get OK.

0:46:29It then opens and this is this is where I really felt no where

0:46:33and we're in trouble here in the same way that I remember when the well bring it up again.

0:46:38The first Star Wars movie came out my father has always said he knew that we're in trouble right from the beginning

0:46:46because that opening crawl makes reference to taxes and the Federation.

0:46:51Ted said as soon as he read taxes in the opening sentence you thought oh this isn't this isn't the good side

0:46:58and my father is a tax attorney who's I think

0:47:02and this is also to do with code than let's say with his tax law he would expect that but no.

0:47:10So if the Hobbit after they do this exciting prologue there is this scene between Bilbo and Frodo.

0:47:19Which I'm watching

0:47:19and it's a little I had such a hard time placing where in the timeline of The Hobbit is this scene supposed to be

0:47:27taking place.

0:47:28It's sort of Bilbo's writing in his book and he's saying oh Frodo I've told you many things about my trip

0:47:35but I haven't told you the entire truth of it and Frodo sort of walks in and they have this little discussion

0:47:41and they're clearly preparing for something

0:47:44and I get a pretty big token fan I know the timeline I think it took me forever to figure out

0:47:50when is this supposed to be happening.

0:47:52And then oh right this is supposed to be happening on the same day in The Lord Of The Rings film this is Bilbo's

0:47:58birthday party that they're preparing.

0:48:00Four year and all

0:48:01and already it's so confusing you're going to start with this thing that happens on the same day in the previous movies

0:48:10but there's no need for this whole scene.

0:48:12It doesn't need to be that you could just completely cut it

0:48:15and nobody would notice if it was supposed to be like the novelty of Frodo being in the film again I think that was

0:48:22because I remember I didn't know he was in the film again and

0:48:24when I first saw him I was like uh oh he's back oh yeah and I mean that is to the for the sake of sake of that

0:48:30and I'm sure that's the exact reason it's

0:48:32and it is just so that that you have a lodge of wood as Frodo for a few moments but though I'm looking at the scene

0:48:38and again immediately I mean maybe I was just a little bit slow here but I was confused about

0:48:43when is it supposed to be taking place. Allies are with here and there.

0:48:46There's this problem this is problem with Bilbo.

0:48:52In Holmes' a character the actor who plays Bilbo I believe he has to be one hundred twenty years old.

0:48:59Now he is very old and he is a noticeably older than he was in The Lord Of The Rings movies

0:49:06and this is always a problem

0:49:07when you're filming sequels prequels is always it's going to happen except a fundamental property of this character in

0:49:16the stories is that he does not age that this is something that everybody has to comment on it's one of the opening

0:49:22things in the movies they comment on the fact that Bilbo doesn't age.

0:49:26It's it's just it's very distracting and especially in a scene where you just don't even need it.

0:49:31This doesn't need to be here

0:49:32and the same thing the same thing comes up with with legalists legalist the same actor Orlando Bloom.

0:49:40I think he has his whole noticeably older that it's it's impossible to look past its you're so aware of it in every

0:49:51scene because it's almost like I I don't know I don't know how old he was in the film the first movie's actors look it

0:49:56up. But it's almost like you take someone who's in there.

0:50:00Their early twenty's and then ten years later in their thirty's.

0:50:04They're the same person but he looks like a real grown up man now.

0:50:09Yeah and it is just so just use his face is wider broader you just a different person. Not a pretty boy anymore.

0:50:16Yeah he's he is less selfish and it's the same thing. Oh you're a mortal OK or maybe not all the elves age in reverse.

0:50:26Is that what happens here because the only thing that makes any sense I mean I just I don't I could go on forever about

0:50:33how much I dislike movies.

0:50:34Clearly clearly were not a fan sort of and obviously it sounds like you could pick

0:50:43and then pick some places for quite some time and I'd be quite happy for you to do that

0:50:47but if you were going to give an overarching problem you think it's curation as I suspected

0:50:53and as I heard from other people it's just they're trying to turn something into a trilogy which cannot possibly be a

0:50:59trilogy.

0:51:00It should be two movies at most and two relatively short movies to begin with and there's three or

0:51:09and I say that there's two kinds of issues where I see this pop up the first is the.

0:51:19And I suppose this is the thing that that I could pick apart would be forever

0:51:23but if there's one thing that I found I found personally offensive in the movie is the whole addition

0:51:32and expansion of the character of Radagast. So Gandalf. OK So Gandalf is a wizard. Yeah.

0:51:40And Radagast is in the movie they show him as this is nature wizard kind of hippie top one he's the guy in the in the

0:51:49forest now that this drove me crazy because in the original Hobbit books there is there's none of this if you if you

0:51:57seen these movies any scene where Ratigan. As in the movie.

0:52:00None of this happens in the original books this is all brought in to extend the story line and to make it bigger

0:52:07and it it doesn't it doesn't make any sense in the whole in the whole in this whole world is that this character is

0:52:15supposed to be a wizard just like Gandalf he's supposed to be a powerful magical wizard

0:52:20and our introduction scene of him shows him not being able to to fix a hedgehog who's sick.

0:52:26It's simple if you're getting because in this world he's he's he like and off as a lesser angel.

0:52:32They're basically like tiny tiny demi gods and they play him off as is this joke character

0:52:37but so all of this stuff was brought in and all of these scenes with him everything you see Gandalf do going off

0:52:44and his other adventures like none of this is in The Hobbit

0:52:47and I feel that all of that that stuff is trying to make these movies into his big dramatic Oh the Necromancer is

0:52:55coming in Gandalf and Radagast are dealing with this whole problem. And it just it doesn't it doesn't work.

0:53:02It distracts from the main story of what is Bilbo and the Dwarves What are they up to.

0:53:09What are they doing like that you have this central story that you can tell

0:53:13but the movie keeps going all over the place and it's just got it so many things were just awful with it

0:53:21but it was really just just stretching it out for four lengths and.

0:53:26I think the other half I will stop I promise

0:53:30but if I can give an example of that I have never seen a more boring fight scenes almost ever and that and the

0:53:40and the one that I was waiting for that I thought oh I know it's I know something they're going to drag it out.

0:53:46I was waiting for was the scene in the second movie where all the all the dwarves escape on the barrels in the in the

0:53:55book this is two sentences this keep on the barrels there in the.

0:54:00I'll talk to can see them because I was sharing that fight scene.

0:54:04I want to go back in time and I swear it must be twenty minutes long and it is the most boring fight scene

0:54:12and most implausible fighting I may have ever seen.

0:54:14I mean it's it's it's slightly more implausible than the mutt fight in the Indiana Jones

0:54:21and the Crystal Skull movie when he's doing sword fighting and there's a man that is everywhere

0:54:25and in that kind of the other thing that kills me about that one is just that I don't I have

0:54:34and I just you know I feel sometimes

0:54:37but I want to be in a different life I think I would want to be a second script writer in Hollywood

0:54:44and I couldn't write an initial script but I think I could do a lot to improve existing scripts.

0:54:50You know you could newspaper subeditor you know you've got your board to count.

0:54:54Yeah maybe

0:54:55but I'm one of the things with that scene that just drove me crazy is is OK so you have these three E's three characters

0:55:01that the dwarves who are in the river and then there are Orcs

0:55:05and Elves fighting on either side Orcs are trying to kill the Dwarves and the elves are trying to kill the Orcs

0:55:11and maybe the dwarves as well it's also unclear.

0:55:16But you see the elves just taking these just amazing perfect shots every time

0:55:22and killing orcs by the hundreds so it just gets completely boring.

0:55:26But then as soon as the elves are trying to stop the Dwarves the main characters they're protected by this main

0:55:32character magic in a movie that makes the elves suddenly incompetent every time they're trying to get hands on the

0:55:38Dwarf and you can't have it both ways movies. Either the elves are amazing everything they do or they're not.

0:55:45They can't just be amazing when they're fighting the Orcs but that scene just went on for so long

0:55:50and was so boring I couldn't I couldn't believe it.

0:55:53And the childishly ridiculous sort of maneuvers they were pulling off you know bouncing off this

0:55:58and jumping on to that one. Yes yes.

0:56:00Yes Yes That was the one shot that I really just rolled my eyes but I cannot believe this was before the fat dwarf.

0:56:07He's in his barrel and he rolls rolls off on to the side of the river and knocks down a hundred Orcs

0:56:13and then also there's weapons in consistently possibly an armed

0:56:18but then he pops out of the the barrel with two axes I mean I guess he got them from the Orcs and chopped down

0:56:23or all the Orcs.

0:56:24This is the tiniest thing that I'm about to say but this I can't believe about to nitpick on this

0:56:29but it just bothers me so much. So he's on the he's on the side of the river in his little barrel.

0:56:35He breaks open the barrel and he's fighting all of these orcs

0:56:38and then he jumps back into the river into a waiting open barrel which is like that.

0:56:47That just bothered me because they clearly showed there was one barrel per dwarf that dwarf just broke his barrel he

0:56:53jumped back into the river into a waiting open barrel.

0:56:56Where did that additional bank you know I could go on I could go on forever.

0:57:02You know if you know the worst as you know the worst is I know I'm going to watch the next movie. Now that I've seen.

0:57:07Now that I've seen do you have it. It's just like Star Wars like well I guess we have to get this over with.

0:57:13Yeah so baby baby will have an episode where I can complain about everything even more when we do the third one.

0:57:19But it was just it was more awful than I ever imagined it could have been.

0:57:25So we've been going so long that we should probably leave behind a few other things and crack on to the main part.

0:57:32If you are working in any kind of creative field how original Does your work need to be

0:57:43or how much can influences influence you. How much do you need to do your own thing. So I think it's an interesting.

0:57:54I'm not I'm not sure given the nature of your your work if you think about that as much as I do but his death.

0:58:00Only something that's on my mind a lot is worrying about that or or

0:58:05or thinking about that I don't know if you think about it much for what you do.

0:58:08Yeah like yeah I guess so I mean do you worry do you worry that somebody else if somebody else already has a gram is

0:58:17number video I mean does it cross your mind to worry about doing a video on Graham's number if somebody else already

0:58:22has. I mean the thing that you've got to come to realize is that there's almost nothing is new.

0:58:31This is like it's you know it's so rare that you would do something that no one has done before because we are like

0:58:42explorers or discovers So it's not like we're going to skive a new element

0:58:47or a new country ourselves we can only talk about what other people have done or what exists in the world.

0:58:55And there's just so much stuff not you know not just on You Tube You know so many books have been written and T.V.

0:59:01Shows and movies made and to do something that is completely original in that respect is quite rare.

0:59:09You can

0:59:10and you can only bring original treatments original interpretations you know fresh perspectives so a little clever

0:59:22twists to things that it's very rare that you're going to.

0:59:26Say something or do something

0:59:28or make something that is entirely unique in some ways I mean you know you try to strive to you know I don't know is

0:59:42that what you meant you mean originality of like Team image narrative style or originality of content.

0:59:50Well I think it's it's sort of both and I think my I think my start in You Tube is is an interesting example.

1:00:00This and so there's there's three things that are that came together for my my initial You Tube career

1:00:12and it's you brought up the I think before it's a certain kind of I don't say artistic style

1:00:18but a certain kind of way that I draw things a particular topic

1:00:22and a particular influence kind of was the beginning of of my own You Tube career so this is your U.K.

1:00:30Video you can actually like a video is the start of this this video

1:00:34and I don't want to get into the like the why of this video let's just put that aside for the time being

1:00:40but kind of how did it how did it come into being

1:00:43and I would say that I was very influenced by one particular creator on the Internet that that made me start to think

1:00:53Oh.

1:00:55I might be able to put together some kind a very simply animated video that would still be good

1:01:04and that creator is someone I still follow today and he's got C.

1:01:08Who does zero punctuation which is a series of very fast talking much faster talking than me.

1:01:17Video game previews for those who haven't seen his his videos he has kind of a not a stick figure

1:01:23but a little blocky representation of himself.

1:01:27The videos are almost always done just on a yellow background

1:01:31and the animations are so simple he uses the same couple stock images every time to represent a few things.

1:01:41If you watched a lot of his videos you can almost always recognize eighty percent of the things that you're going to

1:01:46see because he's used them before he's just recombining them in different ways

1:01:50but I think that there they are an excellent combination of someone with something that's interesting to say is a great.

1:02:00Editorial voice again a bit like Red Letter media he's going to be divisive.

1:02:05Some people will not like his presentation.

1:02:09And a good visual style and I had been watching him for a little while

1:02:14and I will say that I was very much influenced by him just by realizing oh I've always thought that animation would

1:02:21require an enormous amount of drawing skills

1:02:25and familiarity with digital animation which is something I didn't have any familiarity with in the slightest.

1:02:32But I could see how he's These are basically just just some drawings.

1:02:37These are basically just a couple of screen shots that are played one after another where things change in a very basic

1:02:43way. And so that was a big influence.

1:02:48And then I had had a little bit of a visual style that I've been developing for years as a teacher.

1:02:54Through my own stuff and that was somewhat original

1:02:59and I had this topic idea which was to do the United Kingdom versus England thing

1:03:03and the the question about originality you think is very interesting here because I searched around on youtube for

1:03:11other videos that had done this I was looking to see how anybody covered this topic before

1:03:16and the answer was plenty of people had covered this topic before I was by no means the first person to do a video on

1:03:23youtube about United Kingdom England and Great Britain.

1:03:27And so my whole career started off in covering a topic that was not original by any means but I look at those videos

1:03:36and I thought Oh I think I think I might be able to do a different kind of spin on the ins and I

1:03:41and I thought that there were there were things that I didn't like about those other videos

1:03:45and so I thought I could make my own that I would at least think was better.

1:03:50But ever since that even though I know my my very first video started off this way.

1:03:56I still I still worry about originality and it's partly big. Because I see sometimes.

1:04:02Commenters expect originality or

1:04:06when I see people do sometimes as on if somebody else covers a topic later that I have covered.

1:04:12People will leave comments on the video saying that that that person has ripped me off

1:04:15and I think it's always terribly unfair.

1:04:19If that's not the case at all

1:04:21but people tend to think that whatever whatever thing they saw first was the original thing

1:04:27and then somebody else came along and just rip somebody else's work off

1:04:31and so I guess part of the reason why I wanted to talk about this is I think you should people shouldn't leave these

1:04:38kinds of comments saying that oh somebody ripped me off or in the reverse which is bound to happen sooner

1:04:44or later someone saying that I ripped somebody else's video off his car I mean that the place I see that the most is

1:04:50probably with my on my math videos the number of videos where a lot of people leave comments saying quote After

1:04:56something Mark VI Hatch already done this you know and it'll be something that kind of like you know Euler

1:05:02or someone discovered. And I'm sometimes tempted to write what I actually do.

1:05:08People have been doing it for a few hundred years before most of all why I did it

1:05:12and usually And usually I haven't I wasn't even aware she's done you know because right I haven't seen all her videos

1:05:18because I started following her more recently but and it's a bit frustrating.

1:05:24Well I don't I say used to be frustrating now I'm just like whatever

1:05:28when someone says this is already there's already a video about this.

1:05:32It's like Yeah that probably is what's you know what's your point.

1:05:37Well it's a it's a strange it's a strange thing to deal with and nobody owns the facts

1:05:44and is as you said before we are not we are not original researchers I didn't I didn't go out

1:05:52and discover the difference between the United Kingdom in England that was well known this is well trodden area before

1:05:58I came along and did this.

1:06:00Like you said that your mathematical form is nobody owns the facts if you if anyone is doing an educational video on

1:06:06any topic

1:06:08and presuming that they are not an original researcher They are building upon the work of somebody else a by by that

1:06:13way something is not.

1:06:17These kinds of things can't be original

1:06:20and it was with my own videos it's it's it's interesting to say like it's not difficult to predict topics that I might

1:06:29cover in the future. If you watch my videos.

1:06:33But that doesn't mean I own those topics

1:06:36and it doesn't it doesn't mean that somebody is stealing an idea from me if they cover those topics.

1:06:41These things are just out in the world there are topics that people can talk about

1:06:45and you can end up having videos that cover the same thing in slightly different ways

1:06:50and kind of going back to the zero punctuation Yahtzee example and thinking about.

1:06:56I get a lot of questions from people who who want to know about how to start on You Tube

1:07:00and I sometimes sometimes people send me clips of their early stuff I think I'm trying to get a start on You Tube you

1:07:08know what do you think and what I often see and you watch that stuff. If people catch me in the right mood I do.

1:07:17I do watch those things move anyway.

1:07:21Well here's the thing I have almost I have almost never responded because it's sometimes it's hard to know how to

1:07:30respond in a way that is helpful and I'll often come across people who I think are doing just great on their own.

1:07:41It's it's very strange to see stuff that that people might be having at the start of a career.

1:07:48But it's interesting because I think one of the things that strikes me is you almost universally a bad sign is someone

1:07:59is. Trying to be another person.

1:08:05See a video and say for example this person is trying to be obviously a well known blogger for example there.

1:08:13They're using the same style or they're using the same language or I see this with a cow.

1:08:20I don't I don't want to be specific here

1:08:23but I see some videos where people are clearly down to lots of the details mimicking the style of somebody else.

1:08:32Yeah I think something they say is like a formula for success.

1:08:36That's a good way to put it the thing is big because I think the success of that stuff can give you an initial boost.

1:08:45But my piece of advice is that if you really want a long term career in in the arts in general I don't care if it's if

1:08:52it's writing or making videos you really do have to find your own style

1:09:00and I was trying to I was trying to trace it down earlier today

1:09:04but the some of the some quote that I really liked the the world advice to starting writers

1:09:11and it's something like the world doesn't need another Stephen King. You shouldn't go out and try to be Stephen King.

1:09:18We already have a Stephen King

1:09:19and he's very good at being Stephen King he's going to be better at being Stephen King than you will ever be at being

1:09:25Stephen King.

1:09:26Now you can write horror novels but you should develop your own style

1:09:32and your horror novels can even cover the same kinds of things in Stephen King novels do because horror novel like

1:09:38everything else they have similar themes authors are naturally going to come across the same kinds of stuff.

1:09:44But you need to have your own style to it and I think I think a couple of exactly call them hard but

1:09:51but Neil Gaiman's for example has written a couple of books which are sort of scary books

1:09:56and he has such a different style but you do the math.

1:10:00When Steven King writing that book I could imagine you know gay men writing a Stephen King book

1:10:04but they would be such different experiences because of who those people are

1:10:07and I think that's that's one of the things that I I see very often that is is I think is not necessarily a good sign

1:10:15for long term career for people starting out and so the reason I want to bring up as your punctuation and IATSE

1:10:22and my own influence in that is because I was looking at his animation style and I think if people watch videos

1:10:30and they watch mine I think you can see some some influence that he's had on me in the way I animate things.

1:10:37But the important thing is I didn't watch his videos

1:10:40and then try to also become a fast talking videogame reviewer that I might have gotten some some initial attention if I

1:10:50had done something like that but it would be just death for a long term career.

1:10:55You have to you have to develop your own your own style I think in to to do things in the long run it would strike me

1:11:01as a very hollow existence a very hollow victory like say I completely ripped off the Minute Physics style of star

1:11:10or something like that and made videos just like just like them and then I got.

1:11:15Five million subscribers and and a fortune I stew. I wouldn't enjoy a like.

1:11:22I don't think I would enjoy work

1:11:24and enjoying what's really important to something very satisfying about doing things doing your thing your way.

1:11:30But these people that just knock things off

1:11:34and sort of live their lives by copying hon I guess that makes them money OK

1:11:44but it would just seem really an unfair failing

1:11:48but I do also I think there is a lot to be said by being positively influenced what you talk about like you say like a

1:11:55camera shop or a way of doing something and you know you'll always be influenced by that.

1:12:00I think oh I really like how that thing looked and it can feed into what you do

1:12:04but if you're just going to say oh I'm going to make a you know if the way you would describe your channel would be

1:12:11it's kind of like a C.D.P.

1:12:12Gray

1:12:12but you know I think you're already on a loser if you if the way you describe what you're doing is by reference directly

1:12:19referencing someone else in that way in that in the whole how all of Hollywood movies are pitched so it's it may take

1:12:29Jurassic Park I'm going to cross that with Love Actually.

1:12:33They pitch every single movie and yeah that's the way that works.

1:12:36I don't like and I don't I don't I I'm sure I've been guilty of it because it's a helpful way to sell things

1:12:42and make people understand things but I don't think I could describe anything I do in that way.

1:12:51Like if you said to me I described one of your projects in those terms.

1:12:57Tonight doesn't immediately spring to my mind and it doesn't spring to mind for a fee or for you

1:13:03or for a lot of the other guys and gals we know who are successful like they are just their own thing.

1:13:08Like I could describe what it is like if you said to me just drive a minute physics for example by you know by Henry

1:13:16right. Then you could say.

1:13:22You know it stick figures and this happens and that happens and how he does it

1:13:25but you couldn't say it's you know it's this meets this close kind of this and it's the same thing a little bit

1:13:33but there's there's been subsequent channels that you could say it's kind of like Minute Physics but with color

1:13:37or it's like Minute Physics

1:13:38but you know the thing that yeah it's funny bring up you bring up Henry because I thought I saw he's got what he's got

1:13:49a very minute style now has Yeah I mean I mean he didn't invent doing that star himself but you know

1:13:54and he'd be the first to say that but in this kind of field he's become very minute now. I saw a T.V.

1:14:01Commercial that I thought whoever made that T.V.

1:14:06Commercial became what it was for that they had to have have intentionally made it as close to a Minute Physics video

1:14:13as possible there are a lot of little details about Henry's work that if you pay attention to them you can notice about

1:14:20particular ways things are done a few things very consciously but like how the hand is represented on the video

1:14:26and I want something I thought man there's no way that person didn't.

1:14:30Didn't you have the advertising agency didn't just say oh we're going to we're going to run with this because it's a

1:14:36it's a cool it's a cool style that it's a it's a strange it's a strange it's a strange world to be in

1:14:44and again it is it's it's where things get so hard with with influences and you know where do you draw the line

1:14:51and I think that's where everybody who works in this field worries about that to some extent I think you worry about

1:14:58maybe mimicking somebody else too much it is just becoming your own thing.

1:15:03I don't know how do you say when it goes the other way when you are mimicked or you are the you have the inspiration

1:15:10or the influence does that give you flattered by that. Do you sometimes feel a bit offended by it.

1:15:16Where do you stand on that side of things. It's it's tricky and that's the one.

1:15:24OK So the longer I have been the longer I have been doing you too professionally the less I have actually been watching

1:15:34You Tube videos of that as a general statement.

1:15:37That's a very conscious decision on my part is I used to watch just a ton of You Tube

1:15:43and now I almost never really watch youtube unless it's one of the conferences where we're getting together

1:15:49and then I've been to watch everybody's stuff to see what everybody's been up to in the last year

1:15:54and watched all at once

1:15:55and then that's also great because it's fresh on my mind so I can talk to everybody about what they like.

1:16:00Greatest remembers oh my video.

1:16:01So yeah he's awesome

1:16:02but I just want you know the night before I think I think I'm the last one I didn't quite work my way through Derek's

1:16:10back catalog.

1:16:11I think Eric was irritated because I was coming up short for very task only because I hadn't I hadn't Iran at a time I

1:16:19didn't think I had to be at home. But so this is.

1:16:26So I'm going to a roundabout answer to your question which is I partly do that because I don't kind of want to be

1:16:34influenced by other people's stuff.

1:16:37I totally relate to I say that all the time and people think I'm crazy

1:16:41but I think it's a really I do it so I don't want to be influenced to know other people are doing in some ways

1:16:48and people tell me that's crazy

1:16:49and if there's if there is a topic that I know I'm very well may be covering at some point in the future I will never

1:16:56watch anybody's video if they cover that same thing.

1:17:00Because the problem is I'll get I'll give it up because this is probably video I'm not going to make

1:17:06but for a while I was thinking about doing a video about capitalism versus communism versus socialism

1:17:12and around the time I was thinking of doing it.

1:17:15Crash course with John Green did a video on capitalism communism and socialism

1:17:20and I am not going to watch this video and the reason I cannot watch that video is because.

1:17:27The writers and johns are going to come up with some clever little way to describe something or some funny little joke.

1:17:35And the problem is if I were to ever try to write my own video it's impossible to get that out of your mind.

1:17:42If if somebody has has thought of a clever way to describe something you can't not hear that in your own mind.

1:17:50So if my own videos are going to have anything remotely unique in them it's going to be sometimes the way I describe

1:17:57things or the way I put things together.

1:18:00And so I have to preserve that and not watch videos on on things that I may cover

1:18:07and an even more extreme example I happen to notice that Hank on a crash course recently started a crash course

1:18:15psychology.

1:18:18And there is a topic that I'm working on now which is vaguely psychology related

1:18:25and I don't even want to know what topics crash course psychology has covered because even if if I know that they've

1:18:33they've touched on things that are similar to to what I might work on I know that that will inhibit me from wanting to

1:18:38work on it it will feel like oh the Hanks' already done it and there's no there's no point in me doing that.

1:18:44Even though as I said at the beginning I feel the same feeling of well none of us own the facts

1:18:49and all of us are covering stuff that people may cover before and you know cover again in the future

1:18:55and that's that's fine what matters is a person's individual take on it.

1:18:59But I do I am aware of constraining my You Tube intake and.

1:19:07That's it's a little bit that can be a little bit weird professionally sometimes.

1:19:11But to answer your original question about what happens when people send me videos that are much like my videos and

1:19:19when I first started out in the first year I would watch everything particularly things that that looked like my own.

1:19:27I wanted to see what people were doing.

1:19:30But I would say in the last year as as I've also cut down my You Tube In general I especially don't want to see the

1:19:38videos that are like my own videos because it's just I it's a similar kind of thing it's like if somebody is doing

1:19:49something in a similar style I don't want to see at all what twists they put on it

1:19:55or how they've done it slightly differently because you can't help but be.

1:20:00Influenced or affected by that kind of stuff if you see it so

1:20:04but it is those influences not be positive sometimes could you know like like if I say someone who does something

1:20:10really clever with a camera angle or a bit of lens flare or something

1:20:13and I think oh that's a nice thing I should try and incorporate that one day

1:20:17and maybe a year later it was appearing from time to time that cannot improve improve what you're doing take out of

1:20:25that and that can but what I'm talking about in particular people on Twitter.

1:20:28Well straight up send me a link that says something like this video looks exactly like a C.D.P.

1:20:33Great video and then they say I don't click on those links I don't want to see those in particular

1:20:38but what you're talking about Gen Gen influences. Oh that that's completely true and that happens to me all the time.

1:20:45I'm really aware of when I'm watching for example documentaries or let's say informational T.V. Programs.

1:20:54I can't help but be just hyper aware of how either the editor

1:21:00or the person on camera is choosing to talk about whatever information they're talking about how they're choosing to

1:21:07walk through an explanation and most that I'm very aware of

1:21:14and I'm keenly paying attention to oh this person does a really good job of talking through a complicated explanation

1:21:20or what is honestly more helpful is oh this person does a terrible job of walking through this explanation.

1:21:26Why is it bad.

1:21:28What has made this a bad explanation and that kind of stuff can definitely filter through

1:21:33and can show up in later videos

1:21:35but that's a whole different thing from seeing videos that that look that looks just like my own videos although I do

1:21:46not

1:21:46and I want to find one find one example which I think is is is an interesting example hold on a missing moon moon month.

1:21:58Well pull it up. I heard just saps Yeah Kurt Curtis KIRK Except I don't know exactly.

1:22:14You may have seen some of their videos.

1:22:15They're very slickly animated videos and they're covering sort of science topics for the for the most part

1:22:25and I think this is a great example of someone who's come along.

1:22:30They're doing very well they're currently at one hundred twenty thousand subscribers

1:22:36and I think they're a great example of someone who is entering the educational space is covering you know topics that

1:22:46people have covered before.

1:22:48But it has a real style and and the style is definitely a very very slick very visual very animated style

1:22:58and you can see that this person's been influenced by the pre-existing You Tube channels

1:23:04and he has other channels listed in the sidebar like Crash Course is listed I'm listed there there's the brains group

1:23:10with family they're all listed there so they're like this person obviously knew that they exist.

1:23:14But it's it's just such a good example of of finding your own way

1:23:20and so I think a slightly awkward name aside I expect to see the channel be growing in the future so I put it in the in

1:23:28the in the show notes.

1:23:30It sounds like after advice to be telling people to be original like that seems like the most natural thing in the

1:23:37world today.

1:23:38Do you think people will shy from it because they don't have original ideas or they don't have the courage

1:23:48and the confidence in their ideas or because they think knocking something off is more tried and tested

1:23:54and therefore more likely to be successful. What stymies originality.

1:24:01It's not our products and trying to parse your question I think it's partly I'm not I'm not sure.

1:24:13I love it when you say you're passing my question makes you sense I reporting.

1:24:18Well no I really I really need you to rephrase that question again because I'm not quite sure what you're going for

1:24:24their originality of ideas or originality of style or why what stymies originality.

1:24:30When Joe Blow says I'm going to start a You Tube channel Why am I doing something original you kind of need to start by

1:24:38mimicking stuff that you've seen it's very it's very hard to just sit down

1:24:42and create from whole cloth something brand new.

1:24:47Everybody starts start out by mimicking other stuff

1:24:51and in the in a past life I kind of I kind of wanted to be a non fiction writer

1:24:58and I definitely very consciously mimic the style of some authors that I liked

1:25:03but that's that's why there's this quote about in the world doesn't need another Stephen King It already has a Stephen

1:25:10King.

1:25:12That really struck home with me

1:25:15and it's like it's OK to have this in this initial period where you're just trying stuff out

1:25:21and so you're trying to find your voice

1:25:24but you really should find your own voice in your own style as fast as possible and do things on your own

1:25:31but it's it's it's not possible for someone to to make something that's just completely brand new

1:25:40and original just right from the start that's quite a tall order

1:25:47and even even even just being original at all is is quite tricky I was there's a podcast I like it's almost a time it

1:25:56was so good I don't want to listen to it. They cracked a pod cast I don't know if you listen to this one or not.

1:26:04It would you know Cracked dot com Yes it's that Web site

1:26:08and they have a bunch of their their writers sometimes get together

1:26:12and they're basically they're basically doing audio versions of a bunch of the articles they've written on the site.

1:26:18Yeah but I really like hearing about the I really like hearing the authors talk about it

1:26:23and just just mention a whole bunch of other stuff.

1:26:25I think it's a really good example of how you don't need to have brand new stuff all the time.

1:26:30I am happy to listen to those authors to talk about their articles for an hour.

1:26:35But they did they did want to pursue it recently where they were talking about submissions to their Web site this is an

1:26:42incidental thing they mention

1:26:43but how they're just always amazed by how many times they will get basically the exact same article

1:26:52or video skit posted to them by people who are on the other side of the country

1:26:57but they get their submissions on the same day.

1:27:01Even even though these individual groups are thinking that they are being original in the mass of humanity it's hard to

1:27:09actually be original to come up with an original thought.

1:27:13And that this whole episode was in the broader context of all kinds of things that.

1:27:20Just are remarkably similar so they were going through examples like how how many books are exactly like Harry Potter

1:27:26from all of these lawsuits that J.K. Rowling had at the time.

1:27:30Because people say I wrote a book and it too also has a twelve year old wizard who goes to wizarding school

1:27:35and he has a scar on his head and he has black hair and he has a pet owl

1:27:39and they go through all the interesting reasons talking about why no matter how original you think you are if you're

1:27:46going to write a story about wizards there are some story decisions that are going to lead everybody into the same

1:27:54conclusions How old is the boy need to be.

1:27:56What do you need to make him look like if you're going to be an antihero and so.

1:28:00The very notion of it being original is is not necessarily the case in the beginning

1:28:05and a really good day today example of that that you sometimes say is when someone very popular tweets something

1:28:13or does something on social media and a funny little line or come back a witty remark comes into your head

1:28:19and you think who should I post and response.

1:28:21How within a minute or so twenty other people will have written the exact same thing. Yes Yes And you're so busy.

1:28:30Yeah or it's it that I see the same thing on Twitter. I'll say something.

1:28:35It's weird to get back the same joke sometimes four or five people within a very short period of time

1:28:42and they're only one of them sorry. So yeah it's I think that can just be interesting just to see that.

1:28:56Where or there are certain constraints that push people towards certain things.

1:29:01Just one more example that I was really aware of is

1:29:05when I made my video a while back on the no see bow the one that starts with the fake headache in the beginning is the

1:29:13opposite of the placebo effect.

1:29:14Yeah

1:29:15when I was doing research for that I came across a whole bunch of just startles talking about the new CBOE effects just

1:29:22in the popular press. An article in The New Yorker or or whatever.

1:29:27And the thing that really struck me with that was almost every one of those articles about the Cebu effect sounded

1:29:34exactly the same.

1:29:36All of those authors made the same structural decisions about OK we're going to start off with a paragraph that gives

1:29:44an example about how the placebo effect works. OK paragraph two.

1:29:48We're going to reverse that and introduce them to it

1:29:52and it was it was it was remarkable how similar all of these articles sound that you would have assumed they were all

1:29:58written by the same person. Many of them covering the same examples going into the same stuff.

1:30:03But these these articles were sometimes decades apart in different newspapers written by different people.

1:30:10And one of the things was I was looking at my original script

1:30:14and realizing I had done the exact same thing with my outlines and that's an example of sometimes

1:30:18when you're explaining something there's a very natural progression for how you're supposed to explain something

1:30:25and I think it can sometimes help with originality to fight against that intentionally

1:30:32and in my new video I set myself a challenge which was to not be allowed to use the word placebo in that video.

1:30:41And so that structurally made me write it in a different way that it couldn't follow the same kind of script that other

1:30:48other people did. But it's interesting just to see sometimes that that that that happened. Have you.

1:30:56Have you reached a point where you don't need to be original anymore because you've kind of got a thing like if you

1:31:01were to do something really original

1:31:02and different it would really throw I think that's actually that's that's something I worry about.

1:31:09Like if you were to do C.D.P. Greatest song.

1:31:12Yeah I worry I worry about that because the way I view it is that my channel is seen to be grey it's not C.D.P.

1:31:23Gray's five minute explanation videos and I have always been intending to put more different stuff on there

1:31:32but it all hasn't worked out for various reasons the primary one of which is that it almost always makes sense for me

1:31:38to work on the main thing that pays my bills which are those videos

1:31:42and so doing doing something different is is is risky

1:31:47but it's something that I really want to try to do on purpose because I don't want to be I don't want to be constrained

1:31:55into always making videos that are are very similar.

1:32:00To each other in a way and he gets it gets her out of the big get it does it does and I mean that you sort of.

1:32:07Now I've mentioned this to you a couple times and I alluded to it in my original solvable video.

1:32:13But there there are a couple of projects I've been trying to work on which are different.

1:32:19A twenty minute long little mini documentaries on a particular topic is interesting to me I have been trying to work on

1:32:27this for almost a year now and that is a total disaster

1:32:32and part of it is I'm I'm a very I know how to do these little five minute formats

1:32:38and I can feel that this is true this longer twenty minute format is something that I don't I'm not as familiar with

1:32:46and I don't have as much confidence in how how to do it or how to present it.

1:32:52And it's also it's a topic that I'm afraid afraid of getting scooped.

1:32:56But what if the other people eventually really need to get my get my act in gear on this but it's not.

1:33:03Rahm's number is that you know it's his thought about grams now this is what I am very glad that of all of the people

1:33:10in our little group that I am the relatively least science see of them because science seems to be a central focus for

1:33:16a lot of the people that we know at least

1:33:20when I'm covering stuff that's not directly directly science I can feel like I can take a little a little breather

1:33:25and not worry about someone scooping me because whenever I work on whatever I'm working on a topic I do get really

1:33:32worried that somebody else is going to come out with a thing that I'm working on right now before me which would be

1:33:37kind of a disaster if I have a particular topic

1:33:40and then somebody else has a huge video two weeks before I'm going to put mine up people are going to know you just

1:33:46copy it and know I've been working on it for three months but this is the way it's going to look

1:33:52and the worst thing ever happened to me once which was I was I was I usually think you know just calm down nobody else.

1:34:00Probably working on this everybody else has their own projects but

1:34:03when I was working on my video about Pluto not being a planet.

1:34:08Yeah I had the same feeling of OK I got it at the time I was doing is this is already a ten year old news story

1:34:15but I was still worried that somebody was going to put together a big You Tube video about it so I was rushing rushing

1:34:19rushing. OK Let me get this out and someone's chasing me let me finish it publish it get it out great.

1:34:27Actually sent me an email saying I can't believe it you totally screwed me I was working on the same thing that I

1:34:34thought oh no this is the worst thing that could happen to me because it confirmed my paranoia about working on

1:34:41something at the same time as somebody else and not being aware of it and that's a that's that haunts me.

1:34:49I mean I can say as I said I said earlier in the show I can say as much as I want.

1:34:53Nobody owns the facts and everybody can do their own stories. But you still don't want to release.

1:34:59A video about the same thing just after.

1:35:02Well somebody else especially someone like you who's a bit more because of the infrequency of your relay says you're a

1:35:09bit more dependent on them becoming viral and you know less likely to be viral if there's been another video about it.

1:35:16The week before.

1:35:17Yes That that that that's a structural problem that I do face that most other people don't

1:35:23but it can even if that was the case I still wouldn't I still don't want to release something that someone that sort of

1:35:29a colleague at least a little bit earlier and out there would just I just feel kind of bad but.

1:35:35But to answer your question I do I do feel constrained sometimes to continue to release videos that are like the videos

1:35:45that I have released before and I am aware of this as a problem

1:35:49and I have sense that maybe you don't believe in originality.

1:35:53BLACK Oh well I think if this is there's a question here of.

1:36:00I'll like you develop a style and that's perfectly fine to not necessarily develop on that style

1:36:10but it's different running a You Tube channel because some You Tube channels are very well known for just releasing

1:36:16completely unrelated stuff

1:36:19and because I haven't done that very often I'm just I'm not sure how well received it would be if I released a video on

1:36:25my Main You Tube channel that was not like the others but precisely because of that it really makes me want to.

1:36:32It makes me want to establish the fact of I can I can upload anything that I want on this channel

1:36:38and I know that it's mostly educational videos. But you know maybe sometimes it's it's going to be something else.

1:36:45And and I hope that's OK everybody and I think it will be

1:36:49and it's just like just like with everything you overestimate how much other people care.

1:36:56In some sense most people are not really worried about what kind of thing is going to appear on the sea to be great.

1:37:02There's only one person who is really worried about that maybe and it's me I think.

1:37:07Now say something about it but then you and you sit there looking at the comments thinking oh I've made a mistake.

1:37:14Unaware that they have written that comment and then gone off and had a cup of tea and walk their dog

1:37:17and not thought about it again. So you next to the videos. Yes and forgot about it immediately.

1:37:21Although I will say that I pretty much ignore the U.

1:37:25Two comments completely at the stage and I like the the Reddit comments are much better

1:37:29and they're much much more serious

1:37:30and I feel I feel that the rate of people with much more understand if I put up something that was different

1:37:35but if it was if it was poorly received on my own sub or that that would be that would be a little crushing.

1:37:42If I did something different so I will wait for that day

1:37:45and then I'd love to I'd love to watch a twenty minute video by P. Well I hope you do it sometime.

1:37:51I interest I may I may at some point in the near future ask you for some advice on a longer form stuff.

1:38:00So I am having some troubles with that

1:38:02and you produce a lot more longer form stuff than I do you know that that's more from lack of discipline than than any

1:38:09expertise in the area but so hard on yourself. Well I've been there. You can ask me anything you like.

1:38:20OK Well I'll tell you what I think it would it would be it would be interesting

1:38:24and that wasn't really the originality discussion I was expecting. Have we covered the things you want to talk about.

1:38:32Wow Well look what were you what were you expecting I don't know what I was expecting I think

1:38:38when you told me you know

1:38:39when you told me half an hour before the podcast in your usual style I told you yesterday I told you I said something

1:38:46told me I am thinking of originality and then

1:38:48and then I see you put a tweet out now before the podcast going hey everyone can't decide what to talk about no idea I

1:38:53said is not what I said at all that is not what I said it all now it makes me angry at what I hear.

1:39:00I said I said tell me what you think we should talk about which is very different from oh I haven't.

1:39:06I'm an indecisive person I was unable to think of any.

1:39:09No I perfectly knew I just thought maybe there'd be something in the follow up section to talk about it.

1:39:15So that wasn't a call for a main topic then no I will

1:39:17when I lie I have sometimes said a main topic I've been very clear with my tweets I think you're making me angry.

1:39:25So it's great to say that a little like a revelation

1:39:29but that what it is what your emotion chip is obviously set to high your high sensitivity What were you thinking

1:39:35when I told him you know five minutes before the start time.

1:39:38Yeah yeah you told me after the first ad get lighter and lighter

1:39:44and I don't know I think I was expecting something a bit more like a bit more about you know a scam you Ripper of

1:39:49freebooter Copia types rather than you know a wholesome discussion about you know how we should stop. That's.

1:40:00Oh how it hands

1:40:00and be original together both of which is good really even if I thought I thought it was going to be more about what do

1:40:06you do when people rip you off and then are original and but that's not what you were discussing though

1:40:10and as I don't think Mike My conclusion was let's let's all work together I think my conclusion was that topic

1:40:16originality is almost impossible but that style originality is what people should aim for

1:40:26and I think that's the conclusion from this.

1:40:48Ma'am I'm going have to cut down that boring section about The Lord Of The Rings.