0:00:00the comparable number 280 December 2015
0:00:09welcome to this the fourth i believe
0:00:13episode of the star wars incomparable
0:00:16series of spectacular series of amazing
0:00:20this i don't even know so I'm your host
0:00:24Raeleen some standing in for Jason I'm
0:00:27because one can only talk about Star
0:00:30Wars so much i am joined today by the
0:00:33lovely voices you heard while people are
0:00:36attached to those voices elisa
0:00:38Schmeisser welcome to the show
0:00:40I'm so happy to be here me to Erica
0:00:43inside welcome thank you so much i am
0:00:46thrilled
0:00:47last but certainly not least mr. David
0:00:49jail or hello
0:00:51and so is our first topic of the night
0:00:53kylo Ren's hair or is it kylo Ren's hair
0:00:55my mind Laurens hair haha actually so
0:01:00it's amazing like well actually this is
0:01:04really unfair um I'm sorry I've just
0:01:06been so excited to talk to somebody
0:01:08about his hair for days now I've been
0:01:09sitting on an important but i guess i
0:01:12need to find a picture of him because i
0:01:13did not even notice his hair what he's
0:01:16got this here it blends into his state
0:01:18under God to get something like that
0:01:20that the helmet he where should be sold
0:01:23to children under the product name vo5
0:01:25that's how insanely well-conditioned his
0:01:26hair is in this it's just this big
0:01:28luxurious it's anyway um I I maybe I i
0:01:33may just a real estate before we started
0:01:34this thing um maybe the way to start off
0:01:38with this is to talk about what you may
0:01:44or may not have been expecting and how
0:01:48we manage our emotions going into this
0:01:49and what the experience of watching it
0:01:52for the first time was like and what you
0:01:55have been chewing on since you left the
0:01:56theater
0:01:57yeah i think that sounds great i was
0:01:58gonna ask for opening statements so
0:02:00that's salisa why don't you start sure
0:02:04I'm i saw on saturday with my local nerd
0:02:09posse and we got there an hour ahead of
0:02:12time there is still a very very long
0:02:14line and
0:02:15and going into it I had tried i had
0:02:18basically got off the internet like 30
0:02:20but once the months the movie premiered
0:02:21I got off the internet and said I didn't
0:02:23want to be spoiled
0:02:24I didn't want to be inadvertently
0:02:25spoiled like I knew what the name of
0:02:27some of the characters were and had a
0:02:29rough approximation of all things a
0:02:31stormtrooper whatever but I didn't want
0:02:33to know any plot twists and so you know
0:02:36off the internet for 36 hours reading
0:02:38home design books and we go inside and i
0:02:41have to admit i like the minute that the
0:02:45kraal started at the exact same angle
0:02:47and the music comes up and you see the
0:02:48field of stars like I'm alone I was
0:02:50applauding along with everyone else in
0:02:51the theater and I let out this breath i
0:02:55had been on where i was holding and as
0:02:59the whole movie unfolded I was like this
0:03:02feels very familiar and at some point in
0:03:05the middle of movies like I really don't
0:03:06be J Andrews because who wants to be
0:03:08handed this huge franchise along with ok
0:03:12get a whole new generation excited and
0:03:14involved in a way they haven't been
0:03:15before but try not to irritate the
0:03:17people who spent the last 35 years of
0:03:19their lives being emotionally invested
0:03:21in the you know the stuff that came out
0:03:23in the seventies and by the time the
0:03:25movie was done and we got the theater ho
0:03:26my god he did it he did but I'm so
0:03:29relieved that could have been really bad
0:03:31and it was entertaining and i do want to
0:03:33see it again because i want to see the
0:03:35stuff i miss and huh
0:03:37and like any year where I was really let
0:03:39down by avengers age of ultron and I've
0:03:42had to reckon with my feelings about the
0:03:44marble franchise to come back to the
0:03:46franchise that I legitimately like
0:03:49kickstart kick-started like my sense of
0:03:51self is up as a kindergartner even like
0:03:54to come back to that and to see somebody
0:03:55who is pushing it in new directions
0:03:58while remember what made it fun in the
0:04:00first place
0:04:00oh my god it was such a sense of relief
0:04:02yeah yeah I I'm on board
0:04:05David what about you well before I say
0:04:08anything else about it i should say that
0:04:09I loved it great time but oh god I loved
0:04:17it but I loved it but I went to see it
0:04:22thursday night 8pm first showing in the
0:04:25area took the boys my wife did not want
0:04:28to see it
0:04:29she's been the star wars fan in the
0:04:31family all this time but she did not
0:04:32want to see it yeah and we went in and
0:04:36you know we watched it and I was I was
0:04:38surprised it was not packed it was full
0:04:40it was more full than I thought it was
0:04:42going to be by the time the movie
0:04:44started because when we got there was
0:04:47deserted like oh ok we got here really
0:04:50early and the boys were great you know
0:04:52we watch the movie and the whole time
0:04:54I'm with it and and I thought he did a
0:04:56great job working Spock into there and
0:04:59you know that was tough but I i did you
0:05:05just say Spock is this lady Ashley don't
0:05:07encourage it doesn't encourage him
0:05:10don't encourage him well I mean JJ spent
0:05:14two movies trying to turn Jim Kirk into
0:05:16luke skywalker so you know this is what
0:05:19he's been meant to do and and and that
0:05:22might give away that I'm not a huge fan
0:05:25of JJ's work
0:05:27this is the best thing I think he's done
0:05:28he did a great job with it and and yeah
0:05:31it is a daunting thing to have to take
0:05:34over and be the first person to do this
0:05:36not just not just that you're doing a
0:05:38Star Wars film but the first one who
0:05:39isn't like blessed by George Lucas
0:05:42however I thought there were a little
0:05:47too many repetitious plot threads and it
0:05:53was you know I appreciate fanservice
0:05:56some of that was okay I appreciate
0:05:58echoes and resonances and and all that
0:06:02and that's great and it is it is grand
0:06:04mythic saga storytelling that's fine but
0:06:09the only things that really worked for
0:06:12me in the movie where the things that
0:06:13were completely new that were unusual
0:06:15that surprised me that I didn't say oh
0:06:17well I know what's going to happen next
0:06:20everything where I started to see
0:06:22residences I was like okay I know what's
0:06:24gonna happen next and hopefully he's
0:06:26going to surprise me and not one study
0:06:28surprise me
0:06:29so you know but i loved it was a great
0:06:32ride the whole time and after having
0:06:35seen the prequels in the theater this
0:06:38was redemptive this was Star Wars again
0:06:42so I'm okay with that you know I'm
0:06:45waiting to see if the next two are gonna
0:06:48be different
0:06:49yeah I should hope so Erica what about
0:06:52you why just first of all I want to say
0:06:54to be fair
0:06:55David you have like a superpower of
0:06:57being able to tell where things are
0:06:58going and i'm not talking about how many
0:07:01times you have just known the entire
0:07:02plot of what you're watching from the
0:07:04beginning so I really don't think that
0:07:06your assessment is is one that should be
0:07:08it should be judged without knowing that
0:07:11piece of information i should say part
0:07:15of why my wife didn't want to see it is
0:07:16because as soon as Harrison Ford was
0:07:19cast she knew exactly what was gonna
0:07:21happen and she knew exactly who the
0:07:23villain was and she's not a writer so
0:07:25when I came out and she goes well and I
0:07:28went
0:07:28yep that was it so it wasn't even like
0:07:32oh well this is how much screen time he
0:07:34has this is don't know it was just the
0:07:35fact that he was cast in it that's it i
0:07:38have seen it twice now the first time I
0:07:40thought was a Thursday night and you
0:07:42know completely full theater and then
0:07:44the second time was sunday night in
0:07:45another theory that was pretty much
0:07:47completely full
0:07:48so so yeah I loved it enough to to go
0:07:51and see it a second time I think the
0:07:53second time i watched it I enjoyed it
0:07:55more simply because i was so nervous the
0:07:58first time just because I was you know I
0:08:01was worried that it wasn't going to be
0:08:02good and I don't have the same quite the
0:08:04same like childhood connection to star
0:08:06wars that a lot of people do but I think
0:08:09I was more worried about it just for my
0:08:11friends sakes because you know we're
0:08:13deeply deeply invested in it and I was
0:08:16worried it was gonna suck and they were
0:08:17going to be crushed and I don't want my
0:08:19friends to ever be sad because that's
0:08:20just that's how i roll so the second
0:08:23time i was able to just kind of relax
0:08:24and take it in a little bit more than
0:08:27what than the first time and I i really
0:08:29enjoyed all of it and this is coming
0:08:30from someone who knows a lot about the
0:08:32star wars universe and likes it a lot
0:08:33but doesn't feel the same way about it
0:08:36the kind of everybody else does
0:08:38I mean I love the original trilogy but i
0:08:40also love the Phantom Menace so we're
0:08:44going to know if you are interested in
0:08:49why I'm not going to go into it here
0:08:50because this is not the time or the
0:08:51place
0:08:51listen to episode 10 of unjustly
0:08:54maligned
0:08:54on the incomparable network nice cross
0:08:57roll motion that was wonderful yeah well
0:08:59and that was my thing I mean I i did I
0:09:02grew up with it but it wasn't I mean I
0:09:04was always the star trek fan
0:09:06this was the thing I liked right but my
0:09:09wife was always the huge fan and she
0:09:13didn't want to see this night and I said
0:09:15is because of the prequels she said no
0:09:17when she was younger she was not you
0:09:20know fairytale princess and all that she
0:09:22was not that kind of girl
0:09:24Star Wars was her fairytale and I think
0:09:29it's safe to say that if people have
0:09:30listened to this mini and incomparables
0:09:32about this movie we don't have to worry
0:09:33about the spoiler horn basis you know I
0:09:37was gonna say this is tyler episode just
0:09:40take that for granted everyone
0:09:46so basically you know it the the thought
0:09:49of han and Leia having you know been
0:09:53estranged for many years and their child
0:09:55is on the dark side and all this like no
0:09:57she didn't want to see that all she does
0:09:59not want to see this movie even now even
0:10:01knowing even even when I said you know
0:10:02all the rest of it is really cool and it
0:10:04worked i love the new characters really
0:10:06that's great
0:10:07not interested don't want to see I'm
0:10:10going through a midlife crisis stuff I
0:10:12don't want to see that in my favorite
0:10:14movie couple ever
0:10:15no I can totally I can totally
0:10:18sympathize with that is jarring to see
0:10:20the characters that you identified with
0:10:23who have entered your own personal
0:10:25headcanon fixing a certain spic plates
0:10:27in space and time it's jarring to see
0:10:29the main and and and the mortality and
0:10:32you know being a parent now and seeing
0:10:34these was you know that hit me which I
0:10:37was not expecting yeah I am I grew up
0:10:40with him so I was the story i've been
0:10:42telling to people is and I was seven
0:10:45months old when Return of the Jedi came
0:10:47out the whole God my mind sorry did you
0:10:53shrink down in your seat to just then
0:10:55no I'm reaching for the fish all the
0:10:58lubricant by joint so that this burning
0:11:01jeredy yeah yeah yeah so I was seven
0:11:04months old in Return of the Jedi came
0:11:06out and my mom went to see the theater
0:11:08everyone to see that the theater and she
0:11:10took me with her because she didn't have
0:11:12a babysitter so return of the jedi was
0:11:14my first movie and I remember when I was
0:11:17very very little like watching watching
0:11:20and mom being like no look at the teddy
0:11:22bears like watch the teddy bears and so
0:11:24I don't have the hatred for for the the
0:11:28he walks as many nerds do and because
0:11:31that was like my gateway into Star Wars
0:11:33and its kind of always been a lot like
0:11:35Star Trek it's always kind of been in
0:11:37the background of my life like it's just
0:11:39something I've always taken for granted
0:11:41because it's always been there and I
0:11:43didn't let myself think about the force
0:11:47awakens until we were in the theater
0:11:50my husband was like are you excited I'm
0:11:52like no I'm managing expectations are
0:11:54you excited yet no I'm not thinking
0:11:57about it I mean
0:11:58you my expectations and I cried I cried
0:12:02like four times during the movie
0:12:05I cried when when the opening crawl
0:12:07started i like because I totally see
0:12:13David what you're saying about like the
0:12:14fanservice but for me that hit all the
0:12:16right notes that was like my my pat on
0:12:19the back from JJ he totally has has
0:12:23destroyed star trek for me that was my
0:12:26pad on the bag like it it's okay this is
0:12:29for you I understand where you're coming
0:12:31from and who you are that was you know
0:12:34and and even though the second time i
0:12:35watched I was like okay some of these
0:12:36Han and Chewie exchanges maybe you know
0:12:38we could do without but you know it was
0:12:40still like that reassuring like this is
0:12:42okay and I think that's why they're in
0:12:44there and and I i didn't really mind
0:12:46those it was it was purely the the plot
0:12:50elements that were slavish Lee
0:12:53duplicated like just no style
0:12:56ok you are going to have to debate this
0:12:59a little bit and well because my overall
0:13:05theory theory of Star Wars it's two
0:13:07thoughts star trek theory of track
0:13:09sounds much cooler at the whole point of
0:13:11Star Wars it's even and universe to it's
0:13:13an epic cycle and the worry and the way
0:13:17I saw the reason I saw so many
0:13:20intentional parallels between episode 4
0:13:22episode 7 was to prime the audience for
0:13:26the fact that the same struggle is
0:13:29happening and it's just as a new
0:13:31generation that's picked it up and the
0:13:33dramatics takes that we have in this
0:13:36iteration of the cycle the questions are
0:13:39will we see history repeat itself is the
0:13:42cycle unchanging or can people do things
0:13:45that permanently alter the the
0:13:47permanently alter that the circuit of
0:13:49events that's good that's going to come
0:13:51around totally and you know and and i
0:13:54like that they made Han Solo the Ben
0:13:57Kenobi figure I'm not ice
0:13:59I love that and what I really love about
0:14:01that is when he came on and using a
0:14:03swashbuckling but my first snipe that
0:14:05was Oh Harrison Ford's just too old to
0:14:07pull this off and then I realized that
0:14:09what they were doing is this is a dude
0:14:11who's basically
0:14:12going through the motions and falling
0:14:13back on unhealthy coping mechanisms
0:14:15because something so big and so bad
0:14:17happened that it probably broke him and
0:14:19his capacity to believe in himself as a
0:14:21better man and like once I started and
0:14:25then once i looked at the performance
0:14:26that way like it made a lot more sense
0:14:28and I was a lot less irritated with the
0:14:30initial hump presentation and so I I'd
0:14:33like the parallels I like that layer or
0:14:35Ghana has gone from being this 19 year
0:14:37old upstart to you know this this really
0:14:40tired general and I like that we're
0:14:43already seeing variations on the theme
0:14:45on the NSA my cycle because you have
0:14:48somebody you know like the baddies mom
0:14:51is fighting for his hole which is not
0:14:53something that's happened in the
0:14:55previous cycles i love that are Luke
0:14:58Skywalker's a woman this time around
0:14:59like I can't even begin to talk about
0:15:02like how powerful and moving that is to
0:15:05me and i also like that we're seeing
0:15:08more fleshed-out elements of what it's
0:15:10like to live under the the Empire and I
0:15:13think these are like little plot too
0:15:15many clues that this iteration of the
0:15:17cycle is going to be slightly different
0:15:18directions but you are going to have to
0:15:20expect things like a warped train or
0:15:24trainer mentee dynamic family issues
0:15:28working themselves out
0:15:29you know stuff like that I i should i
0:15:33should say I'd all of that is exactly
0:15:36right
0:15:37I'm a hundred percent with you it is
0:15:40literally the mechanical plot elements
0:15:42of they have to destroy it's like okay
0:15:45if the Death Star didn't work twice then
0:15:48let's just build a gigantic version of
0:15:50it with the same problem with the same
0:15:52with the same kind of flaw to it
0:15:54yeah and you know let's let's hide a
0:15:57little piece of information in a droid
0:16:00ok let's go to the same kind of high of
0:16:03Richard scum
0:16:04it's ok to do other things along the way
0:16:08the grand the grand parts of it were
0:16:10perfect
0:16:11it's you look at the elements though
0:16:12like finding that piece of hidden
0:16:14information is always part of any
0:16:17narrative quest and the fact that like
0:16:20it obviously worked for Princess Leia so
0:16:22like why wouldn't this be part of the
0:16:23Rebel playbook right i mean i said
0:16:25like something that Luke would totally
0:16:27do be like you know he's a little bit
0:16:28sentimental as he's going away
0:16:30why not do exactly that and building a
0:16:32death building like a planet star
0:16:34whatever you want to call it sucks the
0:16:36energy out of the Sun because hand-wave
0:16:37hand-wave hand wave like this is exactly
0:16:40what you would expect nazi general
0:16:42weasley to come up with because this is
0:16:44the Empire and they can't believe they
0:16:46can win they can't be so they can't put
0:16:49the thing is do you really think the
0:16:50Empire like is filled with scientists
0:16:52are like we're going to disrupt the
0:16:53paradigm of planet blower-upper thing is
0:16:54like like there's no silicon valley in
0:16:57the Empire it's just not that's
0:17:00generally that just they tried to
0:17:01improve upon their model and instead of
0:17:03instead of building a new one they used
0:17:05a planet to create one and let's just
0:17:08make it bigger
0:17:09yeah I ever and it wasn't like there it
0:17:12was not like there was you know an open
0:17:13hole that somebody could fly into and
0:17:15just shoot it let's let's let's be fair
0:17:17they're actually had to send a squad and
0:17:19it took more than one shot and one ship
0:17:21was yeah as a matter of fact that all of
0:17:24those shots that didn't work at all what
0:17:26it took was the people are physically
0:17:28sneaking inside blowing it up from the
0:17:30inside which created a new hole that
0:17:32they were then able to to to use to get
0:17:36in there and blow it up so it was the
0:17:38only reason a an x-wing was able to get
0:17:40in there and blow it up is because on
0:17:42solo had done the work first right well
0:17:45in and speaking of resonance and you
0:17:47know one of the things I worried about
0:17:48when when the movie started and so
0:17:51they're estranged and all that was the
0:17:52thought that well you know the journey
0:17:54he went on in the first trilogy where
0:17:57he's kind of redeemed from being the
0:17:58scruffy smuggler type
0:18:01well that's all out the window but with
0:18:03a dove they did a beautiful job of
0:18:06actually carrying it forward and
0:18:08implausibly going ok this is where he
0:18:11would be if this happened and not only
0:18:15that he's not really the scruffy stuck
0:18:17smuggler anymore i almost said scruffy
0:18:19snuggler which everybody i think is that
0:18:22for a while to me was always yeah that
0:18:24happened and but you know it is sort of
0:18:27the resonance of that final moment on
0:18:30the bridge right we're now it's echoing
0:18:33that moment where Ben and Darth Vader or
0:18:36about to
0:18:37fighting the Death Star and they're all
0:18:39watching that happen right and and he's
0:18:41the one is like my kid we just gotta go
0:18:43no now but now he's the one who's not
0:18:46only making it happen he's the one
0:18:49stepping forward he is literally been in
0:18:51that moment
0:18:52exactly which is beautiful you had that
0:18:55whole thing that's you know I can I can
0:18:58forgive all the other plot mechanics
0:19:00just because that was so nicely done and
0:19:03and it carried his protagonist journey
0:19:06to its proper our conclusion was just
0:19:10lovely
0:19:10I knew that was gonna happen like I knew
0:19:12he was gonna die when they embarked upon
0:19:16the rescue mission right when it was
0:19:17chewy and hot and and Finn going into
0:19:22the base I was like yeah he's he's gonna
0:19:25die because he he's obviously been right
0:19:27well he spent the whole movie saying hey
0:19:30this is great tomorrow is my my
0:19:32retirement this is your last day of work
0:19:34of course yeah there's also too much of
0:19:37him in there for him to be back for more
0:19:38movies you know that but like so I spent
0:19:41that whole time they were on the base
0:19:42just like okay he's gonna die when is it
0:19:45going to happen when is it can happen
0:19:46like when it like I was just waiting for
0:19:49him to die like that whole time I kind
0:19:52of was
0:19:53I'd forgotten about it by that time but
0:19:55the the moment that I figured out that
0:19:56Han Solo was going to die was actually
0:19:58when I was listening to the incomparable
0:20:00episode where Jason and red and John and
0:20:03Danny were talking about their
0:20:04excitement for the movie and like their
0:20:05expectations the spoiler free one not
0:20:08talking about a trailer and serenity was
0:20:10saying how she was was really excited
0:20:14for this film and the thing that made
0:20:15her get her hopes up the most was seeing
0:20:17Harrison Ford be interviewed about it
0:20:20and how he's such a notorious grump in
0:20:22interviews and he actually seemed kind
0:20:24of enthusiastic and a little bit jazzed
0:20:26about this film and she thought if this
0:20:28is enough for Harrison Ford to be you
0:20:30know kind of smiling and enthusiastic
0:20:32and having fun with it that means it's
0:20:33probably a really good movie and in my
0:20:35head I'm going know that means his
0:20:37character is going to die he's a giant
0:20:38grumpy troll and he's just sitting there
0:20:40on the stage thinking haha guys you're
0:20:42gonna have to watch me die and it's just
0:20:44relieved you start with the franchise
0:20:45now we don't I don't
0:20:47to come back for two more exactly yeah
0:20:50but that it was I liked that there were
0:20:53all of those echoes because um and and I
0:20:56liked him
0:20:57I can't remember Lupita's character's
0:21:00name and the possible as mom as cannot
0:21:02mass cannot thank you cannot i have
0:21:04you're always gonna find watering holes
0:21:06in frontiers I mean I get that we had
0:21:07the Tatooine thing with the wretched
0:21:10hive of scum and villainy and you meet
0:21:11han Solo there and so on and so forth
0:21:12but this is one of the things I've
0:21:14always appreciated i like the trading
0:21:16posts i love seeing cloud city in the
0:21:18but the last iteration of the cycle for
0:21:21example i actually think that was one
0:21:23thing that was kind of missing from
0:21:24episodes 123 was all the cultures were
0:21:27so siloed and the Jedi seem to be you
0:21:30know the only ones that come to move
0:21:31around i like the idea that you do have
0:21:34these shifting you do have these places
0:21:37that after shifting borderlands where
0:21:38course that's where Han Solo that's what
0:21:41console is gonna he's gonna find another
0:21:42one
0:21:43yeah that's right he's gonna know where
0:21:44they are it's a place to exchange
0:21:45information six place to be well it's
0:21:47supposed to get lost it's a place to
0:21:48find something you're looking for but
0:21:50what I loved about this one was it felt
0:21:53so timeless I mean you have that statue
0:21:55up there which which gave the impression
0:21:57of of great age as it were
0:21:59he did say she'd run it for a thousand
0:22:01years exactly and then you all those
0:22:02banners and whether or not it was
0:22:05intentional as kind of a guide invited
0:22:07to it and I like entrust that character
0:22:10as well i'm a sucker for mortal
0:22:12bartenders i guess and method I i was
0:22:15also getting kind of a Marion Ravenwood
0:22:17vibe to it's like that's like her place
0:22:20and raiders I like the whole well this
0:22:23works for these cultures so you know
0:22:25we're going to go back and we're gonna
0:22:26finally blown up all that we've blown up
0:22:29all the Jacen and Jaina Skywalker pink
0:22:31get whatever business that that Lucas
0:22:33with the twins and and all that you know
0:22:36we blow up all this stuff that you nerds
0:22:38have considered continuity for years and
0:22:39we're starting fresh but i like that it
0:22:43seems like there's a lot of really rich
0:22:46cultural texture that they're they're
0:22:48pulling into it the same way I'm kind of
0:22:51fascinated by the thriving scavenger
0:22:52business that's going on Jacko like the
0:22:56fact that the Empire doesn't come back
0:22:58to clean up or salvage any way shape or
0:23:00form
0:23:00I find that really interesting and weird
0:23:01and I really this is their way of doing
0:23:04the salvage I mean they very very likely
0:23:06could be the ones you know the first
0:23:07order that are buying all of those parts
0:23:10off of the merchants who are selling you
0:23:11know buying it with bread and now
0:23:14because i'm wondering why you wouldn't
0:23:15just you know send all those are all
0:23:17children of their stealing from other
0:23:19cultures in turning into stormtroopers
0:23:20why you wouldn't just do like if you can
0:23:22ascend pushing a broom as a sanitation
0:23:24engineer in a facility could certainly
0:23:26have these dudes trippin around the trip
0:23:28around that's necessarily I mean they
0:23:29may have lost a good chunk of their of
0:23:33their workforce
0:23:34well they want a big-ass rocking into
0:23:35this movie
0:23:37very true so I mean I think it's
0:23:40probably the priorities are keeping
0:23:42things set on under their new Starkiller
0:23:45base as opposed to you you know
0:23:47scavenging parts that may or may not
0:23:48even be useful i am just who leaves its
0:23:52small child on a planet like that I want
0:23:54to find out the like I like that they're
0:23:55enraged to questions that are bugging me
0:23:57and he it was Lou he's not supposed to
0:24:00have kids like this is how we got-we
0:24:02we've gotten three generations of
0:24:03skywalker DNA monkeying with the
0:24:06universe's is that one of them couldn't
0:24:07keep his pants maybe I don't know I feel
0:24:09like that the loop thing is a little eat
0:24:11that's a little too i think so too yeah
0:24:13first that's without my first I was like
0:24:14all it's obvious but then actually then
0:24:16Stephen my husband was pointing out to
0:24:17me that in that very last scene where
0:24:20it's it's just the two of them and
0:24:21they're not speaking he's not actually
0:24:23looking at ray he's looking at the
0:24:25lightsaber that his daughter he would
0:24:26not be looking at the lightsaber yeah
0:24:28yeah maybe she's a Kenobi
0:24:31mm well interested that's the raises the
0:24:34question did obi-wan Kenobi bother
0:24:36sticking to the Jedi Code after he ran
0:24:38off to Tatooine
0:24:39oh god no i mean like you had a girl
0:24:46having a backwater and I board but let's
0:24:51talk about Ray because she is
0:24:54I mean I'm sure that other panels talked
0:24:56about her but whatever we're gonna do it
0:24:58because i have enough to be squeezed
0:25:00right of any right or no
0:25:02over and over again so we've got this
0:25:05little girl we get like this very brief
0:25:08glance of her backstory and other than
0:25:11seeing her be amazing like taking things
0:25:14apart exploring the desert inn in an
0:25:18effort to take things apart and we have
0:25:20some hints that are past like she's able
0:25:22to pilot she knows about the
0:25:24modifications made to the more the the
0:25:26Falcon so like obviously she's i know i
0:25:29don't know there's like something
0:25:31happening there and she's really complex
0:25:34and really really awesome
0:25:36she uh gosh i love her so much as a
0:25:37character yeah i might might you know we
0:25:41have the thing of you know why aren't
0:25:42there any action figures of rain why are
0:25:44they all the men why why does the
0:25:47multipack like all the men and then like
0:25:49an extra tie fighter pilot why isn't ray
0:25:51in there instead of a TIE fighter pilot
0:25:53right here and and mine mine goes yeah
0:25:56i'd like to get raked she's cool she's
0:25:58the hero
0:25:59I guess we can get fit and post so she
0:26:00can rescue them
0:26:02yeah so she can rescue them actually
0:26:04like yes this is the greatest part is is
0:26:07I loved it when she's like stop holding
0:26:09my hand is her haha markets and I i was
0:26:12thinking back to how I would have
0:26:15reacted seeing this as a five or
0:26:17six-year-old because i saw at the time
0:26:19so I told the story and podcast before I
0:26:21saw stars my kindergarten class was a
0:26:23field trip and I distinctly recall like
0:26:26my feet being too my legs sticking out
0:26:27on the cinema see because the seat was
0:26:29so big but like the reason and i
0:26:31imprinted on Princess Leia his she was
0:26:34literally like nothing else I had ever
0:26:36seen you know and this is the kind of
0:26:38business I want to be rather than the
0:26:40one that sits around Simpers of birds
0:26:41until she falls asleep or whatever you
0:26:43you and my wife we get along
0:26:44I don't be letting and when I watched
0:26:47this and I saw ray
0:26:50it was almost like traveling back in
0:26:51time to that younger person and thinking
0:26:53wow this is you she's even better than
0:26:55princess late because granted Princess
0:26:57Leia that's a really high bar for what
0:26:59she could do but you have somebody who
0:27:01you know who survives is really brutal
0:27:06world you know she's surviving she's not
0:27:08she's not thriving necessarily but she's
0:27:10not it
0:27:12she she's not you know so destitute that
0:27:15she's in danger of
0:27:16of dying for any for any reason you know
0:27:17she's she's got ambition she's got focus
0:27:20she's got skills and she's adaptable and
0:27:24has a principals in her code and is
0:27:28resilient and tough and large source
0:27:30file and learns quickly
0:27:32yep and you know you look at everything
0:27:35that she is and she does and how
0:27:37fiercely loyal she's to people and how
0:27:40donation she is and I kept thinking wow
0:27:42that is there are going to be the little
0:27:44girls across this country who I'm you
0:27:47know if they were using justin from toy
0:27:49story is there a little before like
0:27:51raised on their mental toy shelf next to
0:27:52jesse and Rainbow Dash and all of the
0:27:56other all of the other strong determined
0:28:00tenacious resourceful characters that
0:28:02populate the world and i love that we
0:28:05have that I love that she's not a
0:28:07girlfriend like this has been my big
0:28:08complaint about the star trek reboot is
0:28:11how poorly the female characters have
0:28:14fared yep and I've been having that
0:28:17problem and having that problem with
0:28:18Marvel to like I think this is one of
0:28:22the reasons i'm so happy about jessica
0:28:23jones is because it's breaking the
0:28:25streak but you know I've been going to
0:28:27marvel movies where I asked you were
0:28:29asked where asked to imagine a world
0:28:31where space aliens are secretly vikings
0:28:32and and Mandy can turn into giant
0:28:35reading range machines after being
0:28:36exposed to radiation and like apparently
0:28:39the idea that women would maybe hang out
0:28:42with each other or have agency or
0:28:44anything like that like that beggars
0:28:45belief
0:28:46so that's that science-fiction yeah Oh
0:28:49what that's crazy talk so it was nice
0:28:51that star wars just treat it so
0:28:53matter-of-factly like of course a of
0:28:56course Leigh is the general who has more
0:28:57experience with crazy Skywalker's going
0:28:59to the dark side and cheetahs and of
0:29:02course ray manages very well on her own
0:29:05and she's strong in the force and of
0:29:07course the thousand-year-old bartender
0:29:08who happens two to run one of the most
0:29:10successful culture trading post as part
0:29:12of the university's lady and of course
0:29:14like I was telling my husband who would
0:29:17go see a movie with me because he really
0:29:19liked that turned off by the prequels i
0:29:20was like i said it was so nice to just
0:29:23see when included they were just there
0:29:26like everywhere there in the background
0:29:28they were running things that was
0:29:29fighter pilot was a woman because i can
0:29:31remember watching she was child and
0:29:33being like why are there no female
0:29:34pilots or why why are there no female
0:29:36smokers and like it was so nice just to
0:29:39see how much more radical egalitarianism
0:29:41this this movie was in the stuff that
0:29:44came before it
0:29:45well to be fair i believe Jedi did have
0:29:46a female pilot which is still the same
0:29:48ratio that we have for this one yes
0:29:50there's only one in this correct
0:29:52yeah she has lines that which I'm very
0:29:54excited I is I honestly thought she was
0:29:57gonna die because I'm like oh god
0:29:58anytime you see a woman who's hanging
0:29:59with the boys she gets killed I all I
0:30:02could think was if if there had been a
0:30:03female fighter pilot in the original
0:30:06Star Wars it's like naming the fat guy
0:30:09Porkins here would have been like
0:30:10pleading guy or something
0:30:13flylady yeah well sliding five are you
0:30:17ready to this is the first movie I've
0:30:20walked out of in i do walked out of it
0:30:23out but i don't know where i was going
0:30:26to say recent memory but like just
0:30:28memory where I I felt really good
0:30:31because you know the typical thing is
0:30:34like oh we've got this woman and she's
0:30:36strong and resourceful and tenacious and
0:30:38like all those those traits that Lisa
0:30:40listed and then in the last half hour
0:30:43she needs to be rescued by the fin and
0:30:45Han and Chewie and she didn't ray didn't
0:30:49need that Ray was capable written up
0:30:52later so I loved it right the whole
0:30:55thing and I you know I walked out of
0:30:57guardians of the galaxy feeling really
0:30:59really bad i walked out of an age of
0:31:01Ultron Ultron feeling really really
0:31:03meant like scarlett johansson is is the
0:31:06Hulk's girlfriend in that movie
0:31:08well like kind of an kind of Hawkeye's
0:31:12like I don't know like jealous of his
0:31:14family like I don't it was just bizarre
0:31:16to me and the same for Star Trek we have
0:31:19and we have scientist lady who strips
0:31:25down to her underwear for no reason like
0:31:26constant constant let downs in my
0:31:29science fiction which is a kid nearly
0:31:32disappointing and this didn't have that
0:31:34and I walked out and I was like this
0:31:36this is the movie i have been waiting
0:31:39for forever at the bit at the
0:31:42the risk of bringing it down i still
0:31:44think it's aight i still think it's
0:31:46hogwash that you cast a woman of color
0:31:48and then hydrogen cgi I was just going
0:31:50to say that like I don't understand why
0:31:53we don't have did they decide after she
0:31:56was cast if they were gonna make that
0:31:57character cgi because that would suck
0:31:59I don't know I don't know I don't think
0:32:01so but yes I'm okay then i but then i
0:32:05don't feel like that but I mean I think
0:32:07she was designed to be Yoda sk yeah but
0:32:10which again resonance it's such a it is
0:32:14a little crazy to me that in Star Wars
0:32:17you have more characters who are you
0:32:20know made with rubber masks or CGI or
0:32:24who are droids who have lines and agency
0:32:27and and speaking parts in this world
0:32:30then you do men of color much as women
0:32:33of color like it's it's still a
0:32:35relentlessly white universe and we just
0:32:38the thing that kind of baffles me you
0:32:40know and anyone spreading a wide net
0:32:42here to also include star trek and also
0:32:44include the marvel vs um it is crazy to
0:32:47me that if you have a medium that isn't
0:32:49that that is inherently built on we took
0:32:51this world moved at 45 degrees and
0:32:54through and crazy stuff that like
0:32:55somehow your standard is still lots of
0:32:57white dudes you know
0:32:59yeah and so while i'm excited that John
0:33:01boyega is obviously going to be an
0:33:03important part of this franchise hooray
0:33:05and Daisy Ridley hooray
0:33:10you know it's it's still it's a lot of
0:33:14dudes and I was the others along a lot
0:33:16of white people
0:33:17yeah this is a long way to go but i i'm
0:33:18i'm still at the same time happy that
0:33:21they've gotten as far they have and then
0:33:22going back to just talking about Ray for
0:33:23a moment
0:33:24um one of the things I love about her is
0:33:26that she is super awesome and super
0:33:28capable but she's not infallible like
0:33:30she's right of getting to see her screw
0:33:33up for example accidentally opening the
0:33:35doors to the ship to let go crazy
0:33:37monster monster beast that was such a
0:33:40great sequence which was you know kind
0:33:41of it a little bit of hilarity and then
0:33:44also just seeing her screw up and she's
0:33:46also kind of socially a little bit weird
0:33:49and awkward because she's lived by
0:33:50yourself in an at4 like her entire life
0:33:53practically so it's a
0:33:56it's nice that she isn't a hundred
0:33:58percent on the ball all the time and we
0:34:00get to see it when she's not
0:34:02yeah and it's nice to see your mess up
0:34:04and be like instead of like beating
0:34:05herself up she's like okay that didn't
0:34:08go the way I expected
0:34:10how do i fix it and it was good to see
0:34:12and that's the kind of attitude you'd
0:34:14expect from somebody who grew up and
0:34:16managed to make it to the age that she
0:34:18is at on a planet like Jack who
0:34:20yeah and it's like all the talk online
0:34:22from certain quarters that all she's a
0:34:25mary-sue well you know friends look well
0:34:28no no no no a hero is designed to be
0:34:33idealized his he or she is designed to
0:34:37be the person that we identify with that
0:34:39we want to be in that story a mary-sue
0:34:42is someone who comes into the story that
0:34:45as a proxy is a proxy for the writer is
0:34:48a proxy for the fan who is the best
0:34:51thing ever and then leaves they're not a
0:34:53permanent part of that story they're not
0:34:55the enemy that's it came from Star Trek
0:34:57fan fiction that's where the term comes
0:34:59from and you know it's like oh here's an
0:35:02insulin who saves the ship and saved
0:35:05everybody's lives and gets promoted all
0:35:06the way to Admiral in the course of half
0:35:08an hour that's a mary-sue this is just a
0:35:11hero and she's meant to be the
0:35:13cornerstone of this next section of the
0:35:16saga that is not a mary-sue that is a
0:35:18hero
0:35:19so I guess the question I have is is
0:35:21nerd culture or more specifically dude
0:35:23nerd culture so accustomed to women as
0:35:26objects to be one or supporting
0:35:30characters who give the men something to
0:35:33do IE rescue them with them whatever or
0:35:35or background wallpaper that they can't
0:35:38handle it when women have that the
0:35:41defining traits of of the protagonists
0:35:42in the hero that might be part of it but
0:35:45i think i think what it boils down to it
0:35:48and even a deeper level than that is
0:35:49that as women we have been taught our
0:35:53entire lives to we've learned how to
0:35:55empathize with the male characters who
0:35:56have been at the center of all these
0:35:57adventure stories boys were never taught
0:36:00to do that with girl characters so they
0:36:02now see this person who is awesome and
0:36:04who is the center of this film and they
0:36:06are many of them are not equipped to
0:36:09empathize with this character that they
0:36:11feel that it's wrong for them to sort of
0:36:13put themselves in this character shoes
0:36:15because my god she's a girl
0:36:16whereas we've been doing that with point
0:36:17characters forever and ever and ever so
0:36:19we have no trouble with it so it's it's
0:36:21it's basically a new skill set that
0:36:23needs to be built by an awful awful lot
0:36:25of people
0:36:26yeah and I mean honestly if more people
0:36:28could step outside of themselves and
0:36:30empathize with someone who doesn't look
0:36:32just like them
0:36:33what does that solve a lot of problems
0:36:35in the world today
0:36:36no didn't you know i mean i was i was
0:36:39raised when I was a child my mother was
0:36:42a single mother and so everything that I
0:36:45got all of the the pop-culture I got
0:36:48came filtered through that experience
0:36:49and and the importance of being able to
0:36:52see elements of yourself four elements
0:36:56that you would like to be part of
0:36:58yourself in people who were not at all
0:37:00like yourself and you know I i feel very
0:37:04lucky about that I try to do that but
0:37:05with our kids it's like you know it's
0:37:08okay i mean that's what it my 14 year
0:37:11olds favorite movie of the year was fury
0:37:14road my 11 year olds favorite was inside
0:37:16out our favorite altogether was was the
0:37:19force awakens what's the thread they're
0:37:21all females they're all that's the hero
0:37:23anyway and that's and I do it as you
0:37:29kind of mentioned before lean i love
0:37:31that that they don't really make a big
0:37:34deal out of the fact that she is a girl
0:37:36they don't make a big deal out of the
0:37:37fact that that fame is a black man they
0:37:40just they are these characters and
0:37:42they're interacting in the way that they
0:37:44are just as people like currently own
0:37:46and I'm sure this which this I'm sure
0:37:47this will change after I've seen it a
0:37:49few more times because my favorite bits
0:37:50of movies always change but my current
0:37:52favorite chunk of the film is from the
0:37:56time that thing gets to the outpost
0:37:57where where ray buerre lives and you
0:38:01know sees her and goes to rescue her and
0:38:03then realizes why don't let me just idle
0:38:05away here she clearly doesn't need any
0:38:07help and down all the way like all of
0:38:10their interactions through running
0:38:12through stealing the Millennium Falcon
0:38:13until the point where they have escaped
0:38:15the planet and it's in an open the
0:38:17autopilot in space or something like
0:38:19that and they meet each other in the
0:38:20corridor and their excitedly talking
0:38:22over each other
0:38:23and they just they're so jazz in the end
0:38:25with this big hug it's like that's
0:38:27that's the kind of reaction that i want
0:38:29to see more in movies after an
0:38:31experience like this so often characters
0:38:33just sort of like yeah they brush it off
0:38:35we've just been through something crazy
0:38:36cool we lived know this is this is what
0:38:38I would be doing I'd be freaking the
0:38:40heck out what somebody hug and that is
0:38:42what they do and they don't make a big
0:38:43deal that she's a girl he's black
0:38:45they're just they just hug right i think
0:38:47what made my gave me a lump in my throat
0:38:49of that though is they're both such
0:38:51lonely people
0:38:52yes and part of the reason they're so
0:38:55getting and they're hugging is because
0:38:57for the first time they're not alone and
0:38:59that it and and it's it's it's our hood
0:39:03oh my god you know it's it's they like
0:39:07leveled up in humanities or it like it's
0:39:09about community here I got a whole new
0:39:10world the whole experience but you know
0:39:12you had two people who he says he was
0:39:14taken from a family he doesn't remember
0:39:16and they have that senior captain fast
0:39:18was talking about how it was set for
0:39:19reconditioning and you'll note that the
0:39:22picture of him on the profile they bring
0:39:24up is not the adults in the little boy
0:39:26they stole right and and again ray was I
0:39:30guess left by somebody who is concerned
0:39:33about her well-being when she was only
0:39:34six or seven years old so they both have
0:39:37the experience of being ripped from you
0:39:39ripped from their families they've been
0:39:41rated they've either been raised to
0:39:42raise themselves and very you know cars
0:39:46Harrison isolationist environments
0:39:48they're both very lonely people who are
0:39:49also a little bit confused as to why
0:39:51things are happening to them the way the
0:39:53heart and and they survive an experience
0:39:56together and what's more is that like
0:39:58it's the together part that I think
0:39:59moves the more than the survive part
0:40:01because they have probably separately
0:40:02survived pretty awful things and had
0:40:04nobody to process it with but this time
0:40:06there is somebody who not only will
0:40:09listen to that other person cares what
0:40:11happened to them and that's like a whole
0:40:12new experience for them to and it just
0:40:14gave me like a lump in my throat you
0:40:15know what one and not only that but ten
0:40:18tell me if I'm mistaken when when they
0:40:21first meet and they're you know they're
0:40:22running they're being chased any and he
0:40:24keeps grabbing your hand here dad got in
0:40:26my hand isn't is that the only time that
0:40:30anyone sort of makes a very
0:40:32stereotypical your girl come on
0:40:35I i think that
0:40:36the only time in the whole movie and and
0:40:38what's really great about that whole
0:40:39sequence is that it starts off with
0:40:41their they are kind of formal the area i
0:40:43mean they had know each other at that
0:40:44moment and just through that whole
0:40:47experience they come back around to
0:40:49having a shared experience which they've
0:40:51never really had with anyone before and
0:40:53that's what culminates in the hug too
0:40:55and I mean it's just a beautiful moment
0:40:57so the grabbing of the hand do you think
0:40:58that was some of the JJ Abrams all
0:41:00thrown some levity to get people
0:41:02invested and have them laughed through
0:41:03the tension or do you think that was
0:41:05honestly supposed supposed to point to
0:41:06something where maybe Finn is kind of
0:41:09remembering some of the social mores
0:41:12that may have been that he may have
0:41:14experienced before abduction and and
0:41:16conditioning
0:41:17I think that's both i think it is a very
0:41:19proper traditional this is how you were
0:41:21raised
0:41:22you do this and complexity stormtroopers
0:41:25being big on chivalry
0:41:26yeah I wonder I've been wondering about
0:41:28that too I was wondering if this was JJ
0:41:30Abrams sending up the action convention
0:41:33or if this was at work because you know
0:41:36it's not like they're there are things
0:41:37he does that seem anachronistic or see
0:41:40mostly to be done to you know connect
0:41:42audiences and make them feel like was a
0:41:43reverent um as opposed to stuff that
0:41:46might be in there deliberately to try to
0:41:48set to try to lay down clues or sending
0:41:50messages and with the hand-holding thing
0:41:52i'm honestly not sure because again
0:41:54JJ Abrams does sometimes do stuff that's
0:41:56meant just to win audiences over like
0:42:00James Kirk of the song sabotage its kind
0:42:02of necklace of some young man today
0:42:03driving his car around to like a 1920s
0:42:06bootleg tune I got the impression that
0:42:08he would be doing that same sort of
0:42:10thing I mean possibly even if it was a
0:42:12guy that it that's just his his reaction
0:42:15especially you know Keith he was a
0:42:17stormtrooper his first battle he sees
0:42:19one of his friends died you know
0:42:20thank goodness for us that he does so we
0:42:22can recognize him cause he's completed
0:42:24his mask and then the the first person
0:42:28that that he it connects to in any way
0:42:31is actually po Dameron and then they
0:42:33escaped together so that's his first
0:42:34experience of working together with
0:42:36someone and having that that
0:42:37togetherness experience which is Lisa
0:42:39said that's a really important and
0:42:40powerful thing and then hold eyes which
0:42:43had to have been such a huge blow to him
0:42:45that I think you know that his his
0:42:48natural reaction after
0:42:49that fact is if he sees you know maybe
0:42:52somebody that he is has any kind of
0:42:54connection with you know even though
0:42:55he's only said a few words to her they
0:42:57they are now somewhat connected
0:42:58something scary at all
0:43:00he grabs your hand and he runs when in
0:43:03the end the stormtroopers are big on
0:43:04chivalry but they are big on proper
0:43:07orders and this is the purple violet
0:43:11printed that can talk this is the proper
0:43:15thing to do in this moment and you do
0:43:17this right it's not it's not your choice
0:43:20you do this because this is what you're
0:43:22supposed to do and that's I mean that's
0:43:24how I was trained chivalrously right you
0:43:28know you hold the door for ladies you do
0:43:30this you do that did you don't question
0:43:33it right and so I did that
0:43:36it struck me as it was combination of
0:43:37both of those things from the other side
0:43:39it's interesting too that you know ray
0:43:41keep saying stop taking my hand I can
0:43:43run without you taking my hand which i
0:43:45would expect from somebody who has his
0:43:46load on her own for so long
0:43:48which to me makes the the hug scene
0:43:50after they survive even more touching
0:43:53because she's been you know sort of like
0:43:54you know not wanting the physical
0:43:56contact and now she's just so
0:43:57overwhelmed with with the happy feels
0:43:59that she's good with a hug
0:44:01hmm oh yeah it's it's certainly more
0:44:05subtle emotional development that we've
0:44:06gotten into the others i think the other
0:44:08installments and I say this is somebody
0:44:10who loves movies four through six
0:44:13episodes four through six and would be
0:44:15really willing to revisit episodes 1-3
0:44:17so I i revisited 13 when the kids were a
0:44:22couple years younger and been revisited
0:44:25them several times and then I finally
0:44:28snapped and played them the incomparable
0:44:30episodes about the first the the one two
0:44:32and three and now we've heard Steve
0:44:36let's say go wash your droid more than
0:44:38we've actually seen the prequels now so
0:44:41nature and nurture i purposely did not
0:44:45listen to the in comfortable episode
0:44:47about episode 1 because I just don't
0:44:49want to hear at you don't they know
0:44:50their problems with that movie but I
0:44:52don't like you but you don't want to
0:44:54know you don't have to go to ebay i'm
0:44:57happy to listen to rip apart 2 and 3 i'm
0:44:59good with that haha
0:45:01special means if we're gonna talk about
0:45:05things that bothered us about the movie
0:45:06one of the things that bothered me was
0:45:08and they they just like anyone they met
0:45:12they were like oh yeah this droid has
0:45:14has the map to Luke that was like that
0:45:18but the bumpers are you already headed
0:45:23in everything
0:45:24wait did he hide something in all the
0:45:26droids dude you know and it starts when
0:45:30it starts with poe you know and it's a
0:45:32very blatant think it's an orange and
0:45:34white droid completely unique and you
0:45:36know like it starts with with po telling
0:45:38thin and then fingers to the planet he's
0:45:40like oh yeah
0:45:42plantilla and it's just like everyone
0:45:43they meet and I'm like it's just like
0:45:45Rubik's droids okay do not know how to
0:45:48keep secret service feel people out like
0:45:52did make me laugh every time but it made
0:45:55sense to me that pole would tell Finn
0:45:57because he's trying to convince him
0:45:58listen this is something that we really
0:46:00need to do it is that important you know
0:46:02this is the this is where we're going
0:46:04and then I i don't know why i fain would
0:46:06have any like it he wouldn't have any
0:46:09reason to keep stuff like that a secret
0:46:11so much like he doesn't care that much
0:46:13he just he's running away
0:46:15ok doesn't necessarily he's never lived
0:46:17in this rebellion world he's always been
0:46:19given orders and just marched to them so
0:46:22he might not have a filter for that kind
0:46:24of for that kind of information and then
0:46:26the next time that we get somebody tell
0:46:27told about it it's han Solo and chewy
0:46:29which you know that makes sense to it's
0:46:32still it's still funny every single time
0:46:34somebody's like yeah
0:46:35map to Luke Skywalker like come on guys
0:46:37how do you really know these people are
0:46:39who they say they are like I just I
0:46:40don't know like I was raised to be more
0:46:43suspicious so here's something where I
0:46:45didn't know everybody yeah that's all
0:46:47true that there is there is there is
0:46:50that were you just like you
0:46:52no wonder you are always getting blown
0:46:54up everything
0:46:58um my complaint and I feel odd making it
0:47:02I honestly expected poder run to die and
0:47:06like that in my opinion it would have
0:47:08been perfect if he had died in that tie
0:47:11fighter crashed and i think he was
0:47:12originally supposed yeah and that would
0:47:14the perfect MacGuffin where you're like
0:47:15oh it's the handsome leading man type
0:47:18and he's roguish and makes friends with
0:47:19the storm trooper who rescued him and
0:47:21they have a caper together and oh it's
0:47:23over because i'm kind of a sucker for
0:47:26that sort of sort of like one of my
0:47:28favorite comic book starts off on black
0:47:30orchid by Neil Gaiman starts off with
0:47:31that kind of swerve and so when Pope
0:47:36someone pode a man came back hello back
0:47:38and I thought oh my god you could lesli
0:47:39you and that's you still got that swerve
0:47:43like for a good chunk of the movie i
0:47:45really did think he was dead and there
0:47:47was a time I would've liked it if you'd
0:47:48stayed and I mean not because and this
0:47:50is nothing in Oscar Isaac who I may
0:47:52emphasize is his own special effect
0:47:54that's how funny looks
0:47:55I noticed such things to note that I
0:48:01would you know but why not you can't
0:48:03amazing hug at the end yeah in here like
0:48:07others which are you able to ship go and
0:48:09fen if yeah we're at here's my nasty
0:48:12suspicious mind at work though is it's
0:48:14awfully convenient now he's alive in
0:48:16background like what if you working with
0:48:18some way you know because it's the
0:48:20Empire and for all we know like there
0:48:22were a lot of Weasley's maybe there's a
0:48:23bunch of weekly generals in different
0:48:25parts of the of the Empire and they have
0:48:27wheels spinning within wheels and was
0:48:29like I'll have a couple moles in the
0:48:30resistance and this programmer and guy
0:48:31who's a really great fighter pilot he
0:48:33just happens to be good enough to get
0:48:34into scrapes and maybe he's playing a
0:48:36long con he's like some variation on the
0:48:39inside type thing so I'm like a little
0:48:41suspicious
0:48:42he's pretty shady then if he does that
0:48:44because I mean he had he blows up their
0:48:46planet killer so if he's if he is a mole
0:48:48he is he's in the deepest of deep cover
0:48:50yeah I'm pretty I i would not be
0:48:52surprised i like against wheels within
0:48:54wheels
0:48:55um I i want to be po'd amarin you you
0:48:57don't say that about perfect
0:48:59oh yeah
0:49:00you have higher factions like we don't
0:49:02like that all of our resources are being
0:49:04dictated by some jawless hologram madman
0:49:06and his luscious maine daca light so let
0:49:10you know my revolution from within block
0:49:13a few planets to finally cast aspersions
0:49:16on this this Death Star strategy we keep
0:49:18trying you know to be fair it may be
0:49:23like that worried him caucus of the
0:49:24entire you know
0:49:25oh no I i really liked podium and he
0:49:30swashbuckling he's like he's great I
0:49:32just feel like he was granted back into
0:49:34the plot like I would have liked to stay
0:49:35down for that reason well well and I and
0:49:37I and I think bb-8 is frankly the cap
0:49:39from inside llewyn davis but the thing
0:49:45is that it was a I mean I figured he
0:49:49would come back because that's a very
0:49:50classic cliffhanger switch you know it's
0:49:53like all these dead
0:49:54no he's not there's no way he could have
0:49:56gotten out yeah he got out of class
0:49:58second you know it's like all right
0:50:00that's that's fair enough that's in the
0:50:01that's in the DNA of Star Wars but if
0:50:05they were going to do that it's it's too
0:50:07convenient for him to just suddenly
0:50:08appear you know if there had just been
0:50:11one hint Finn doesn't need to know it
0:50:14Finn can still think he's dead but we
0:50:16need to have just one little tiny
0:50:19establishing you know a footprint
0:50:21walking away from the crash or or just
0:50:23something i don't know what you have
0:50:25been missing to ruin the host of the
0:50:27whole swerve as Lisa put it I'm glad
0:50:28that I didn't know I wouldn't i wouldn't
0:50:30have wanted a clue to that because then
0:50:31I wouldn't have had that delightful
0:50:32surprise at the end where you see that
0:50:34getting that wasn't then they didn't do
0:50:36it for me this this word for me is is
0:50:38for Finn right Finn is the one who gets
0:50:41surprised by it and then and his his
0:50:44sadness and then his joy at the end
0:50:47that's what makes it for me it's not
0:50:49it's not the plot machinations of all he
0:50:52survived it was because they did work on
0:50:55me and I think it probably worked a lot
0:50:56of kids insured yeah I'm sure did it was
0:51:00kinda like the in the man from uncle
0:51:01movie this summer where they they would
0:51:03like intentionally leave out details and
0:51:06then they would go back and show you the
0:51:08details they left and said see aren't we
0:51:10so clever like no you're just scared
0:51:13with us that's no that's not ok so it
0:51:16rubbed me that way it was like uh huh
0:51:18you know and like I said it doesn't have
0:51:21to be a big thing it could be something
0:51:23that we might miss but it should be just
0:51:25like in the corner of the screen
0:51:26somewhere so you go
0:51:27ah he did survive it is okay it is he
0:51:30didn't just miraculously show up alive
0:51:33later but but Finn was thrown out so far
0:51:36away like if you look right wreckage my
0:51:39baby knit one even had a footprint that
0:51:42wouldn't I was scared but if if in the
0:51:44distance you say yet but yeah and if in
0:51:47the distance you see like the trail of a
0:51:50parachute lying over the top of the dune
0:51:52that's where he landed we fin mrs. that
0:51:55entirely and he's walking something like
0:51:57that you know and yes i love the jacket
0:52:00i want the jacket
0:52:01oh god you have to know if anyone wants
0:52:02to buy me the jacket i was coming i want
0:52:05that jacket to that check is amazing
0:52:08oh no wonder if in like that I know
0:52:11ok so speaking of costumes i think what
0:52:13i really like and appreciate about this
0:52:15there's no metal bikini is anywhere in
0:52:17sight and you know raise race stuff is
0:52:21mostly functional when you think about
0:52:23it I mean there's a little bit of the
0:52:25whole cold shoulder off guard
0:52:27you know business top of the arms going
0:52:29on but I like that hurt her clothing is
0:52:32clearly functional um I like that is
0:52:34really change much that she's in pants
0:52:36the whole time I like that lady is
0:52:38actually in pants for much of this to
0:52:39actually the little girl I can't tell
0:52:41you how excited I was to see in return
0:52:43of the jedi that she was like wearing
0:52:44pants and jumpsuits everything was
0:52:45completely practical because you know I
0:52:48was like oh my gosh at last I think it
0:52:51was to balance the middle bikini in the
0:52:53first quarter
0:52:54oh no thats that returning to that I was
0:52:58just an uneven and I mean it worked on
0:53:01me as a as a boy just hitting the right
0:53:04spot and even at that point I was like
0:53:06yeah that's too much
0:53:08that's no no
0:53:11alright so we're at about an hour let's
0:53:14and let's do some closing closing
0:53:16thoughts happy thoughts let's end on a
0:53:18high note so and then will will will
0:53:22unfortunately call it good but America
0:53:24let's start with you
0:53:26well first of all I did bring up a
0:53:27picture of kylo Ren so now I know what
0:53:29he's talking about with this hair and um
0:53:33I don't know that I would call that
0:53:34lusciously condition it looks greasy to
0:53:36me which makes sense because you know
0:53:38he's been wearing a helmet all the time
0:53:40so of course his hair is going to be
0:53:41greasy I would keep my hands away from
0:53:42that as far as not that any fair picture
0:53:44you totally have to see this movie there
0:53:46is its own special effect of the movie
0:53:47I'm serious
0:53:48look it's giving me the kind of like
0:53:50creeping will use a little bit there no
0:53:52and nobody like the first time when he
0:53:53takes off his helmet and and you know
0:53:56what it's like it's awfully hard to
0:53:57block has how many he takes it off and
0:54:00the hair comes out I was like maybe the
0:54:02dark side of the force keeps you the
0:54:05ability to withstand helmet hair and
0:54:07that is compelling as the most
0:54:10compelling argument that can feel for
0:54:11the parts that I i will say my my only
0:54:15issue with kylo Ren I mean I have a
0:54:19natural that the riffing is strong in
0:54:22this one and and so there were too many
0:54:26moments where like you know he takes is
0:54:28this thing off and I go hey its Vinny
0:54:29Barbarino um aurorae CMS his character
0:54:33from girls which is not what you want to
0:54:34be seeing when you're watching this
0:54:36I've never been girl so I I can i yeah
0:54:39duh
0:54:40mhm no but but at the very end you know
0:54:44the the lightsaber duel which was really
0:54:47well done and I've said this online
0:54:49before my my feet are partners a fight
0:54:51director and and has taught me what to
0:54:54look for so I appreciate really good
0:54:56fight choreography right and i'm
0:54:58watching this and this is you know
0:55:00really good stuff and and at the same
0:55:02time I'm seeing the Black Knight from
0:55:05monty python and the holy grail and so
0:55:07every few seconds and I'm tis but a
0:55:09flesh wound
0:55:10no I'm like oh just put just a little
0:55:13bit of color in his costume you wouldn't
0:55:15have that but I'm like oh god no so i
0:55:18kept getting ripped out of them
0:55:19the moment by little things like that i
0:55:22mean the fight scene is beautiful in its
0:55:23it's kino it sort of has a real curse
0:55:26our feeling to it which is again
0:55:28absolutely right most of that's me
0:55:32teacher let me be your teacher
0:55:34yeah they're said and it's not because
0:55:36he and it's against that hold desperate
0:55:39need for human connection you realize my
0:55:41god he is as lonely as Finn and as ray r
0:55:44and this is the way he's chosen to
0:55:46handle it instead
0:55:47well I'm and again to go back to star
0:55:50trek for a second is everything goes
0:55:52back to star trek yeah it he reminded me
0:55:55of Charlie ex who was the the little boy
0:55:58who is raised by the aliens when his is
0:56:01his ship was marooned somewhere and all
0:56:04the adults died and the the all-powerful
0:56:06beings saved him and and and he ends up
0:56:10having to go back with them he did they
0:56:11take him away from the enterprise at the
0:56:13end of the episode spoiler horn and it
0:56:17reminded me of that because if if his
0:56:19biggest connection to anyone right now
0:56:22is is smoke i mean that's that's no way
0:56:25to live
0:56:26that's that's perhaps even worse than
0:56:28being isolated on a desert planet living
0:56:30on a hat
0:56:31ya know so again it's that desperate
0:56:33need for connection that was Vader's
0:56:35issue to write like he had the Emperor
0:56:38and people here for our joke
0:56:40yeah yeah not know enough to not what
0:56:43you'd call a fun holiday list know it
0:56:46take to get back to bite my happy thing
0:56:48to end on though it is it is a member
0:56:51you bring it back up here you guys I'm
0:56:53not gonna let you rest it down is that
0:56:56was my excitement over the character of
0:56:58thin because he's just he's kind of this
0:57:00wild card that we haven't really seen
0:57:02that kind of a character type in star
0:57:05wars before and you know he's it
0:57:08he's it its it's self-interest but it's
0:57:11it's nice self-interest like he mostly
0:57:13wants to run away until the end when he
0:57:15he goes back in and helps out but but i
0:57:18love the idea that i have absolutely no
0:57:20idea what his character arc is going to
0:57:23be where he's going to go in
0:57:24next movie he ends up unconscious and we
0:57:27have that many lovely scene of Ray
0:57:29kissing him on the forehead before she
0:57:31leaves and I just am thrilled to death
0:57:33with the idea that i don't know what
0:57:35he's going to do in the next movie
0:57:36that's great
0:57:38see that's that's the thing I loved all
0:57:41of the new characters were not analogues
0:57:44of the old ones they had their own
0:57:46twists their own interests they were all
0:57:49really well-crafted they were really
0:57:51well cast and-and-and exactly i don't
0:57:55know where that's going I don't know
0:57:57where she's going to wind up i don't
0:57:59know what's going on with po and and and
0:58:01all that i want to i walked out of the
0:58:04the theater saying all right i want the
0:58:05next one now I've and watched all the
0:58:07rest of them this week where is the next
0:58:09one
0:58:10some of the criticism that I've heard
0:58:11about the pipe then 10 is that he didn't
0:58:15receive a lot of character development
0:58:16and I think that's a good thing because
0:58:18throughout the movie he was reacting it
0:58:21wasn't about like oh that let them grow
0:58:24as a person it was like no friends in
0:58:26this really crappy situation he's in
0:58:28fight-or-flight mode
0:58:29yeah like that's it there's no room for
0:58:31character development he's still
0:58:33developing his character he's been
0:58:35indoctrinated into the cult of
0:58:36Stormtroopers the whole time he hasn't
0:58:38had any other experience usually having
0:58:41to train as we watch
0:58:43yeah I think that's what's great about
0:58:45him is you know he spends only he's
0:58:47basically a puppy and he spends the
0:58:50whole movie just just kind of you know
0:58:51huge paws flailing everywhere you know
0:58:55running in circles trying to figure out
0:58:56what's what'n and he finally focus he
0:58:59finally focuses on this one person who's
0:59:01offered him the idea of what life could
0:59:04be like if you're not living in constant
0:59:06terror highly regimented constant terror
0:59:09and and have some semblance of human
0:59:10connection and so when something of
0:59:12course happens to her you know he i have
0:59:15to go rescue her and then all of a
0:59:16sudden everyone else like and we will
0:59:18help you and it's such a it's a foreign
0:59:20experience but it's one he's really open
0:59:22to and that's what I love about fit as a
0:59:25character is he is radically open like
0:59:28in a way that you don't see a lot of
0:59:30characters in these kind of saugus
0:59:32typically because most the time like the
0:59:35typical exchanges personne
0:59:38cultural convention cultural convention
0:59:39skill skill quest person B react react
0:59:43tourism and Salter or quip gradually
0:59:45coming around to your way of thinking
0:59:46but you rarely see it were the first
0:59:48person you know conveys information the
0:59:50second person like abhorrent or I can be
0:59:53useful or something like that and I just
0:59:55loved how sweetly open he was
0:59:55loved how sweetly open he was
1:00:00it was it was it was wonderful you know
1:00:02if there's there's there wasn't a whole
1:00:04lot of distancing cynicism or irony and
1:00:06i was actually a little bit worried
1:00:08about that since it's infested the star
1:00:10trek ethos as it were and it's one of
1:00:13the defining hallmarks of the Marvel
1:00:15movies at this point so I liked that
1:00:18this movie is it goes back to this this
1:00:20people act on genuine motives and
1:00:24emotions are things that you take
1:00:25seriously and you know you honor the way
1:00:27to have them to act on them and finn
1:00:29just completely bodies that I loved it
1:00:31and a beautiful thing with his character
1:00:33all throughout everything he starts out
1:00:37in in in a in just constant terror and
1:00:40fear and all he wants to do is run and
1:00:42get away and he keeps getting thrown
1:00:45into situations where he has no choice
1:00:47but to keep moving forward instead of
1:00:49running and then eventually it gets to
1:00:52where he makes the choice to go and help
1:00:55and then he makes the choice to fight
1:00:57ran at the end with the lightsaber which
1:01:00has not been trained in and he's got a
1:01:02Jedi is ready hold it like a baseball
1:01:03bat is a stereo yeah yeah but the things
1:01:07he tries to rise to the occasion like
1:01:09every time he's presented with a hard
1:01:11choice he he's terrified but he does it
1:01:14like like thatthat battle is formatted
1:01:16forum and and some of them i mean
1:01:18they're not he doesn't even really have
1:01:19a choice right
1:01:21he doesn't have a choice when he's in
1:01:22the TIE fighter because he can't fly it
1:01:23he doesn't have a choice when he
1:01:24stranded on the desert planet in the
1:01:26crash tie fighter right and but then you
1:01:29know he has the choice at mazza's to to
1:01:32turn and run here to stay and and he
1:01:35does stay but it still was still he had
1:01:37to overcome that and and by the end it
1:01:40is it's not even a choice it's it's I'm
1:01:43going to do this because this is the
1:01:45right thing to do and he says that at
1:01:46one point it's like I'm doing this
1:01:47because it's the good thing to do it's
1:01:50the right thing which i think is a
1:01:51lovely it's it's a really important
1:01:54thing that a lot of movies and and
1:01:57especially hero movies have been letting
1:01:59me down on the the idea that you can be
1:02:02a good person because you are inherently
1:02:04good that's ok too right yeah at Lisa
1:02:10what's your point my have honestly
1:02:13it was finding out who kylo Ren's dad
1:02:15was I was well I was oh I'm so excited
1:02:20about him as a villain
1:02:21I'm just beyond excited because we're
1:02:26going to get to see I is we're
1:02:29completely invested in whether or not
1:02:30this guy can be redeemed and i love that
1:02:34like that's gonna be the thing that
1:02:35happens it because the question is set
1:02:36up in this movie like his because his
1:02:39mom I still believe there's some light
1:02:40in him and and you know when she and
1:02:42Hansel have that we need to talk about
1:02:43kevin moment with their son Carlo and I
1:02:47still believe there's some Lightning him
1:02:48and so go die you die to save him
1:02:52well I don't think she sent him up to do
1:02:54that although it does neatly solve the
1:02:55whole i made a baby with a scoundrel
1:02:57issue
1:02:58I'm but you know it's it's interesting
1:03:05to me that somebody who largely who grew
1:03:07up with a surrogate family that got
1:03:09blown up by dot star had so much faith
1:03:12in a father-son relationship when she
1:03:15kind of had a front-row seat to how
1:03:16mentor-mentee skirt out but like this
1:03:20whole movie you've liked you find out
1:03:22that Kyle is not completely committed to
1:03:24the dark side and that whole scene study
1:03:26has like I'm really torn and I need your
1:03:29help and I thought oh god that here's
1:03:31the here's the sort of here comes
1:03:32because he doesn't want to kill his dad
1:03:34but he wants his dad to give permission
1:03:35do it no but because we see him
1:03:40struggling and we see he's lonely and
1:03:42because he's tied two characters that we
1:03:44know unlike and Luke blames himself for
1:03:46kylo like we have a stake in kylo Ren's
1:03:49Redemption because we want this guy to
1:03:51come over to the light side of the force
1:03:53we want Luke to be redeemed since his
1:03:55Jedi experiment is thus far as something
1:03:57of a failure I'm so we want Luke to have
1:04:00the same kind of redemption and
1:04:01gratification that Ben Kenobi got in
1:04:03movies 4 through 6
1:04:05it's it's just so like they've made an
1:04:09interesting precisely because he isn't
1:04:12he isn't a one-dimensional battery like
1:04:15Palpatine was and the problem that we
1:04:18had not the problem the thing about
1:04:20movies 436 was you had already seen
1:04:22Darth Vader after the battles clinical
1:04:24lost and
1:04:25like the redemption was kind of a sort
1:04:26of his character there but you have to
1:04:27admit for like one and seven eighths of
1:04:30a movie he's like the most terrifying
1:04:31thing going and then all of a sudden he
1:04:33does that I'm your father's work and he
1:04:34becomes that the like oh my god and you
1:04:38know that the the last movie whatever
1:04:41but I'm like this one like you're
1:04:44getting those in origin stories it was
1:04:46and so the big question is is he really
1:04:48gonna go with the jobless wonder that he
1:04:51talks to or is there hope for him to
1:04:54generally come over and if he comes back
1:04:56to the light side
1:04:57what is the sacrifice what's the price
1:04:58that has to be paid um so for me kylo
1:05:02Ren kind of as a high note because it's
1:05:04a complex villain in a way that we
1:05:06haven't seen before and it's a villain
1:05:08who has very personal ties to people we
1:05:10already care about and who has crafted
1:05:13personal ties to people we have come to
1:05:16care about like Ray and fit because he
1:05:19had awfully nasty normally person within
1:05:21and like I gotta be honest I'm a little
1:05:25worried for Finn in the next two
1:05:26installments because captain fastball
1:05:28went to the compactor and when she gets
1:05:30out of it because you don't cast when
1:05:32Christy and throw after like three seems
1:05:33completely 1000 gets up she's gonna want
1:05:36sum of around back and like the fact
1:05:39that it and the fact that kylo Ren like
1:05:41c-span and screams your traitor and like
1:05:43like he really takes us personally and
1:05:45so that's going to be thing 2 i'm just
1:05:47really set the zoom I think with a
1:05:49villain that is worthy of the saga and i
1:05:51love it
1:05:52no see I am I kind of took that scene
1:05:55the other way I didn't see him
1:05:56struggling I saw him luring hands-on in
1:06:00town and playing playing on you know
1:06:03playing it being innocent help me
1:06:06uh-oh me know because I struggle because
1:06:08he was monster the force earlier and the
1:06:10fact that he monologues to his grandpa's
1:06:12helmet and and all that and when he has
1:06:16that throw line 22 terrain where he's
1:06:17like--he'll only disappoint you
1:06:19um like it's easy to hate your parents
1:06:22when they're out of the room and you're
1:06:23an angry teenager but when your parents
1:06:25are driving you to hockey practice
1:06:27it's kind of hard to roll your eyes and
1:06:29so like when he's confronted with his
1:06:31dad and realizes that that solo has put
1:06:34his life on the line for love him
1:06:36it hits that party in the king
1:06:38commit to the dark side and what's worse
1:06:40it becomes made aware that part and he's
1:06:42already sensitive about the fact he
1:06:43can't use the force on the rain she can
1:06:45use it on other people so he's already
1:06:47insecure he's already angry and we all
1:06:50know from previous installments like
1:06:52that does not make for good for this
1:06:54building so no and that will see ya and
1:06:57then again when you jump to the the
1:06:58thing with ray when he when he battles
1:07:00with her and he screams you need a
1:07:01teacher let me be your teacher like it's
1:07:04not because he cares about how expertly
1:07:05the forces wield it's because he's so
1:07:07desperate to have a pier and he's lonely
1:07:10and he's desperate and he wants someone
1:07:11to connect when he wants to create a
1:07:13family of some sort
1:07:14you know having just killed part of his
1:07:16own but yeah I think he's a great
1:07:19villain III it's complex and interesting
1:07:21and and not boring and that's kind of
1:07:24what i want for my villains David what
1:07:26about your high points for high point my
1:07:28my high point is just the the characters
1:07:31themselves and the fact that i want to
1:07:34know more about them and I want to know
1:07:36I want to see more adventures with them
1:07:38right this second and you know that I
1:07:41haven't felt that about star wars in
1:07:43forever you know decades decades
1:07:47yeah for me it was definitely that
1:07:49feeling walking walking out of the
1:07:52theater and getting home and still being
1:07:54excited and still like yes this is
1:07:57amazing this was Star Wars this felt
1:07:59like Star Wars I can see myself in the
1:08:02characters you know that that feeling I
1:08:04carried with me for a couple of days did
1:08:07you also try to find find tickets for
1:08:09another show and discover it was sold
1:08:10out all weekend and then cry like I did
1:08:12no only I live in a very big metro areas
1:08:16so i can drive a while and get to the
1:08:19theater that has tickets but i did buy
1:08:21tickets at the theater before we started
1:08:23the first viewing so so I want to get
1:08:27ahead
1:08:28yeah i went to the first screening in
1:08:29phoenix on thursday night and then I
1:08:32went again Sunday afternoon with friends
1:08:34and I imagine we'll probably go back
1:08:35another timer to so yeah but but yeah
1:08:40and i don't i don't really watch movies
1:08:43in the theater I can't remember the last
1:08:44time i did that and so I said I saw the
1:08:48Phantom Menace nine times in the theater
1:08:49so okay yeah just met
1:08:51i got i did not but we're just going as
1:08:54a beautiful world that don't blame you
1:08:56for going back its it was it was fun to
1:08:57look alot of those those vividly
1:08:59rendered environments plus Liam Neeson
1:09:02yes now
1:09:04McGregor your mom like to think the
1:09:10panel so much for your thoughts and I
1:09:13think we could as everybody has probably
1:09:15said we could probably talk about this
1:09:16for hours and hours and hours and still
1:09:20talk about it more but i'm really
1:09:22excited and happy that I got to share
1:09:23this time with you at Lisa Schmeisser
1:09:26thank you so much for joining us
1:09:28I had a great time i'm so glad i got to
1:09:30talk to people I kind of feel like you
1:09:33know trying not to say anything on
1:09:35twitter because I know a lot of people
1:09:36who haven't seen it yeah it's just so
1:09:38much I want to say I'm going to explode
1:09:40so this is this was a nice outlet we
1:09:42need to talk about kevin I've been dying
1:09:44to use that we need to talk about the
1:09:46time when it's not about cabin I've been
1:09:48dying to say that for days and you know
1:09:51Phil I'm Phil nursing this weekend and
1:09:53I'm kind of interested to see how he
1:09:55reacts to it but I'm excited to see you
1:09:58again i'm so excited to see begin
1:10:00yeah it's I think the holdup and Erica
1:10:03and sign thank you so much for joining
1:10:04us thank you so much for having me you
1:10:07know much as I love the Phantom Menace
1:10:09the the prequels were not what everybody
1:10:12wanted a star wars and I think the first
1:10:14line of this film which was something to
1:10:17effective this will begin to make it
1:10:18right
1:10:19yeah that's it hmm it has mhm and David
1:10:24Laura thank you thank you all i can say
1:10:27is live long and prosper
1:10:29mmm crossing the streams again they see
1:10:32him trollin they hatin and I've been
1:10:37your host Raeleen sims and really
1:10:39excited to host my first panel on the
1:10:42incomparable mean show
1:10:45and and it's been a joy talk to you
1:10:47later
1:10:48may the force be with you
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