The Incomparable

280: They're Not Alone

 

  the comparable number 280 December 2015 [TS]

  welcome to this the fourth i believe [TS]

  episode of the star wars incomparable [TS]

  series of spectacular series of amazing [TS]

  this i don't even know so I'm your host [TS]

  Raeleen some standing in for Jason I'm [TS]

  because one can only talk about Star [TS]

  Wars so much i am joined today by the [TS]

  lovely voices you heard while people are [TS]

  attached to those voices elisa [TS]

  Schmeisser welcome to the show [TS]

  I'm so happy to be here me to Erica [TS]

  inside welcome thank you so much i am [TS]

  thrilled [TS]

  last but certainly not least mr. David [TS]

  jail or hello [TS]

  and so is our first topic of the night [TS]

  kylo Ren's hair or is it kylo Ren's hair [TS]

  my mind Laurens hair haha actually so [TS]

  it's amazing like well actually this is [TS]

  really unfair um I'm sorry I've just [TS]

  been so excited to talk to somebody [TS]

  about his hair for days now I've been [TS]

  sitting on an important but i guess i [TS]

  need to find a picture of him because i [TS]

  did not even notice his hair what he's [TS]

  got this here it blends into his state [TS]

  under God to get something like that [TS]

  that the helmet he where should be sold [TS]

  to children under the product name vo5 [TS]

  that's how insanely well-conditioned his [TS]

  hair is in this it's just this big [TS]

  luxurious it's anyway um I I maybe I i [TS]

  may just a real estate before we started [TS]

  this thing um maybe the way to start off [TS]

  with this is to talk about what you may [TS]

  or may not have been expecting and how [TS]

  we manage our emotions going into this [TS]

  and what the experience of watching it [TS]

  for the first time was like and what you [TS]

  have been chewing on since you left the [TS]

  theater [TS]

  yeah i think that sounds great i was [TS]

  gonna ask for opening statements so [TS]

  that's salisa why don't you start sure [TS]

  I'm i saw on saturday with my local nerd [TS]

  posse and we got there an hour ahead of [TS]

  time there is still a very very long [TS]

  line and [TS]

  and going into it I had tried i had [TS]

  basically got off the internet like 30 [TS]

  but once the months the movie premiered [TS]

  I got off the internet and said I didn't [TS]

  want to be spoiled [TS]

  I didn't want to be inadvertently [TS]

  spoiled like I knew what the name of [TS]

  some of the characters were and had a [TS]

  rough approximation of all things a [TS]

  stormtrooper whatever but I didn't want [TS]

  to know any plot twists and so you know [TS]

  off the internet for 36 hours reading [TS]

  home design books and we go inside and i [TS]

  have to admit i like the minute that the [TS]

  kraal started at the exact same angle [TS]

  and the music comes up and you see the [TS]

  field of stars like I'm alone I was [TS]

  applauding along with everyone else in [TS]

  the theater and I let out this breath i [TS]

  had been on where i was holding and as [TS]

  the whole movie unfolded I was like this [TS]

  feels very familiar and at some point in [TS]

  the middle of movies like I really don't [TS]

  be J Andrews because who wants to be [TS]

  handed this huge franchise along with ok [TS]

  get a whole new generation excited and [TS]

  involved in a way they haven't been [TS]

  before but try not to irritate the [TS]

  people who spent the last 35 years of [TS]

  their lives being emotionally invested [TS]

  in the you know the stuff that came out [TS]

  in the seventies and by the time the [TS]

  movie was done and we got the theater ho [TS]

  my god he did it he did but I'm so [TS]

  relieved that could have been really bad [TS]

  and it was entertaining and i do want to [TS]

  see it again because i want to see the [TS]

  stuff i miss and huh [TS]

  and like any year where I was really let [TS]

  down by avengers age of ultron and I've [TS]

  had to reckon with my feelings about the [TS]

  marble franchise to come back to the [TS]

  franchise that I legitimately like [TS]

  kickstart kick-started like my sense of [TS]

  self is up as a kindergartner even like [TS]

  to come back to that and to see somebody [TS]

  who is pushing it in new directions [TS]

  while remember what made it fun in the [TS]

  first place [TS]

  oh my god it was such a sense of relief [TS]

  yeah yeah I I'm on board [TS]

  David what about you well before I say [TS]

  anything else about it i should say that [TS]

  I loved it great time but oh god I loved [TS]

  it but I loved it but I went to see it [TS]

  thursday night 8pm first showing in the [TS]

  area took the boys my wife did not want [TS]

  to see it [TS]

  she's been the star wars fan in the [TS]

  family all this time but she did not [TS]

  want to see it yeah and we went in and [TS]

  you know we watched it and I was I was [TS]

  surprised it was not packed it was full [TS]

  it was more full than I thought it was [TS]

  going to be by the time the movie [TS]

  started because when we got there was [TS]

  deserted like oh ok we got here really [TS]

  early and the boys were great you know [TS]

  we watch the movie and the whole time [TS]

  I'm with it and and I thought he did a [TS]

  great job working Spock into there and [TS]

  you know that was tough but I i did you [TS]

  just say Spock is this lady Ashley don't [TS]

  encourage it doesn't encourage him [TS]

  don't encourage him well I mean JJ spent [TS]

  two movies trying to turn Jim Kirk into [TS]

  luke skywalker so you know this is what [TS]

  he's been meant to do and and and that [TS]

  might give away that I'm not a huge fan [TS]

  of JJ's work [TS]

  this is the best thing I think he's done [TS]

  he did a great job with it and and yeah [TS]

  it is a daunting thing to have to take [TS]

  over and be the first person to do this [TS]

  not just not just that you're doing a [TS]

  Star Wars film but the first one who [TS]

  isn't like blessed by George Lucas [TS]

  however I thought there were a little [TS]

  too many repetitious plot threads and it [TS]

  was you know I appreciate fanservice [TS]

  some of that was okay I appreciate [TS]

  echoes and resonances and and all that [TS]

  and that's great and it is it is grand [TS]

  mythic saga storytelling that's fine but [TS]

  the only things that really worked for [TS]

  me in the movie where the things that [TS]

  were completely new that were unusual [TS]

  that surprised me that I didn't say oh [TS]

  well I know what's going to happen next [TS]

  everything where I started to see [TS]

  residences I was like okay I know what's [TS]

  gonna happen next and hopefully he's [TS]

  going to surprise me and not one study [TS]

  surprise me [TS]

  so you know but i loved it was a great [TS]

  ride the whole time and after having [TS]

  seen the prequels in the theater this [TS]

  was redemptive this was Star Wars again [TS]

  so I'm okay with that you know I'm [TS]

  waiting to see if the next two are gonna [TS]

  be different [TS]

  yeah I should hope so Erica what about [TS]

  you why just first of all I want to say [TS]

  to be fair [TS]

  David you have like a superpower of [TS]

  being able to tell where things are [TS]

  going and i'm not talking about how many [TS]

  times you have just known the entire [TS]

  plot of what you're watching from the [TS]

  beginning so I really don't think that [TS]

  your assessment is is one that should be [TS]

  it should be judged without knowing that [TS]

  piece of information i should say part [TS]

  of why my wife didn't want to see it is [TS]

  because as soon as Harrison Ford was [TS]

  cast she knew exactly what was gonna [TS]

  happen and she knew exactly who the [TS]

  villain was and she's not a writer so [TS]

  when I came out and she goes well and I [TS]

  went [TS]

  yep that was it so it wasn't even like [TS]

  oh well this is how much screen time he [TS]

  has this is don't know it was just the [TS]

  fact that he was cast in it that's it i [TS]

  have seen it twice now the first time I [TS]

  thought was a Thursday night and you [TS]

  know completely full theater and then [TS]

  the second time was sunday night in [TS]

  another theory that was pretty much [TS]

  completely full [TS]

  so so yeah I loved it enough to to go [TS]

  and see it a second time I think the [TS]

  second time i watched it I enjoyed it [TS]

  more simply because i was so nervous the [TS]

  first time just because I was you know I [TS]

  was worried that it wasn't going to be [TS]

  good and I don't have the same quite the [TS]

  same like childhood connection to star [TS]

  wars that a lot of people do but I think [TS]

  I was more worried about it just for my [TS]

  friends sakes because you know we're [TS]

  deeply deeply invested in it and I was [TS]

  worried it was gonna suck and they were [TS]

  going to be crushed and I don't want my [TS]

  friends to ever be sad because that's [TS]

  just that's how i roll so the second [TS]

  time i was able to just kind of relax [TS]

  and take it in a little bit more than [TS]

  what than the first time and I i really [TS]

  enjoyed all of it and this is coming [TS]

  from someone who knows a lot about the [TS]

  star wars universe and likes it a lot [TS]

  but doesn't feel the same way about it [TS]

  the kind of everybody else does [TS]

  I mean I love the original trilogy but i [TS]

  also love the Phantom Menace so we're [TS]

  going to know if you are interested in [TS]

  why I'm not going to go into it here [TS]

  because this is not the time or the [TS]

  place [TS]

  listen to episode 10 of unjustly [TS]

  maligned [TS]

  on the incomparable network nice cross [TS]

  roll motion that was wonderful yeah well [TS]

  and that was my thing I mean I i did I [TS]

  grew up with it but it wasn't I mean I [TS]

  was always the star trek fan [TS]

  this was the thing I liked right but my [TS]

  wife was always the huge fan and she [TS]

  didn't want to see this night and I said [TS]

  is because of the prequels she said no [TS]

  when she was younger she was not you [TS]

  know fairytale princess and all that she [TS]

  was not that kind of girl [TS]

  Star Wars was her fairytale and I think [TS]

  it's safe to say that if people have [TS]

  listened to this mini and incomparables [TS]

  about this movie we don't have to worry [TS]

  about the spoiler horn basis you know I [TS]

  was gonna say this is tyler episode just [TS]

  take that for granted everyone [TS]

  so basically you know it the the thought [TS]

  of han and Leia having you know been [TS]

  estranged for many years and their child [TS]

  is on the dark side and all this like no [TS]

  she didn't want to see that all she does [TS]

  not want to see this movie even now even [TS]

  knowing even even when I said you know [TS]

  all the rest of it is really cool and it [TS]

  worked i love the new characters really [TS]

  that's great [TS]

  not interested don't want to see I'm [TS]

  going through a midlife crisis stuff I [TS]

  don't want to see that in my favorite [TS]

  movie couple ever [TS]

  no I can totally I can totally [TS]

  sympathize with that is jarring to see [TS]

  the characters that you identified with [TS]

  who have entered your own personal [TS]

  headcanon fixing a certain spic plates [TS]

  in space and time it's jarring to see [TS]

  the main and and and the mortality and [TS]

  you know being a parent now and seeing [TS]

  these was you know that hit me which I [TS]

  was not expecting yeah I am I grew up [TS]

  with him so I was the story i've been [TS]

  telling to people is and I was seven [TS]

  months old when Return of the Jedi came [TS]

  out the whole God my mind sorry did you [TS]

  shrink down in your seat to just then [TS]

  no I'm reaching for the fish all the [TS]

  lubricant by joint so that this burning [TS]

  jeredy yeah yeah yeah so I was seven [TS]

  months old in Return of the Jedi came [TS]

  out and my mom went to see the theater [TS]

  everyone to see that the theater and she [TS]

  took me with her because she didn't have [TS]

  a babysitter so return of the jedi was [TS]

  my first movie and I remember when I was [TS]

  very very little like watching watching [TS]

  and mom being like no look at the teddy [TS]

  bears like watch the teddy bears and so [TS]

  I don't have the hatred for for the the [TS]

  he walks as many nerds do and because [TS]

  that was like my gateway into Star Wars [TS]

  and its kind of always been a lot like [TS]

  Star Trek it's always kind of been in [TS]

  the background of my life like it's just [TS]

  something I've always taken for granted [TS]

  because it's always been there and I [TS]

  didn't let myself think about the force [TS]

  awakens until we were in the theater [TS]

  my husband was like are you excited I'm [TS]

  like no I'm managing expectations are [TS]

  you excited yet no I'm not thinking [TS]

  about it I mean [TS]

  you my expectations and I cried I cried [TS]

  like four times during the movie [TS]

  I cried when when the opening crawl [TS]

  started i like because I totally see [TS]

  David what you're saying about like the [TS]

  fanservice but for me that hit all the [TS]

  right notes that was like my my pat on [TS]

  the back from JJ he totally has has [TS]

  destroyed star trek for me that was my [TS]

  pad on the bag like it it's okay this is [TS]

  for you I understand where you're coming [TS]

  from and who you are that was you know [TS]

  and and even though the second time i [TS]

  watched I was like okay some of these [TS]

  Han and Chewie exchanges maybe you know [TS]

  we could do without but you know it was [TS]

  still like that reassuring like this is [TS]

  okay and I think that's why they're in [TS]

  there and and I i didn't really mind [TS]

  those it was it was purely the the plot [TS]

  elements that were slavish Lee [TS]

  duplicated like just no style [TS]

  ok you are going to have to debate this [TS]

  a little bit and well because my overall [TS]

  theory theory of Star Wars it's two [TS]

  thoughts star trek theory of track [TS]

  sounds much cooler at the whole point of [TS]

  Star Wars it's even and universe to it's [TS]

  an epic cycle and the worry and the way [TS]

  I saw the reason I saw so many [TS]

  intentional parallels between episode 4 [TS]

  episode 7 was to prime the audience for [TS]

  the fact that the same struggle is [TS]

  happening and it's just as a new [TS]

  generation that's picked it up and the [TS]

  dramatics takes that we have in this [TS]

  iteration of the cycle the questions are [TS]

  will we see history repeat itself is the [TS]

  cycle unchanging or can people do things [TS]

  that permanently alter the the [TS]

  permanently alter that the circuit of [TS]

  events that's good that's going to come [TS]

  around totally and you know and and i [TS]

  like that they made Han Solo the Ben [TS]

  Kenobi figure I'm not ice [TS]

  I love that and what I really love about [TS]

  that is when he came on and using a [TS]

  swashbuckling but my first snipe that [TS]

  was Oh Harrison Ford's just too old to [TS]

  pull this off and then I realized that [TS]

  what they were doing is this is a dude [TS]

  who's basically [TS]

  going through the motions and falling [TS]

  back on unhealthy coping mechanisms [TS]

  because something so big and so bad [TS]

  happened that it probably broke him and [TS]

  his capacity to believe in himself as a [TS]

  better man and like once I started and [TS]

  then once i looked at the performance [TS]

  that way like it made a lot more sense [TS]

  and I was a lot less irritated with the [TS]

  initial hump presentation and so I I'd [TS]

  like the parallels I like that layer or [TS]

  Ghana has gone from being this 19 year [TS]

  old upstart to you know this this really [TS]

  tired general and I like that we're [TS]

  already seeing variations on the theme [TS]

  on the NSA my cycle because you have [TS]

  somebody you know like the baddies mom [TS]

  is fighting for his hole which is not [TS]

  something that's happened in the [TS]

  previous cycles i love that are Luke [TS]

  Skywalker's a woman this time around [TS]

  like I can't even begin to talk about [TS]

  like how powerful and moving that is to [TS]

  me and i also like that we're seeing [TS]

  more fleshed-out elements of what it's [TS]

  like to live under the the Empire and I [TS]

  think these are like little plot too [TS]

  many clues that this iteration of the [TS]

  cycle is going to be slightly different [TS]

  directions but you are going to have to [TS]

  expect things like a warped train or [TS]

  trainer mentee dynamic family issues [TS]

  working themselves out [TS]

  you know stuff like that I i should i [TS]

  should say I'd all of that is exactly [TS]

  right [TS]

  I'm a hundred percent with you it is [TS]

  literally the mechanical plot elements [TS]

  of they have to destroy it's like okay [TS]

  if the Death Star didn't work twice then [TS]

  let's just build a gigantic version of [TS]

  it with the same problem with the same [TS]

  with the same kind of flaw to it [TS]

  yeah and you know let's let's hide a [TS]

  little piece of information in a droid [TS]

  ok let's go to the same kind of high of [TS]

  Richard scum [TS]

  it's ok to do other things along the way [TS]

  the grand the grand parts of it were [TS]

  perfect [TS]

  it's you look at the elements though [TS]

  like finding that piece of hidden [TS]

  information is always part of any [TS]

  narrative quest and the fact that like [TS]

  it obviously worked for Princess Leia so [TS]

  like why wouldn't this be part of the [TS]

  Rebel playbook right i mean i said [TS]

  like something that Luke would totally [TS]

  do be like you know he's a little bit [TS]

  sentimental as he's going away [TS]

  why not do exactly that and building a [TS]

  death building like a planet star [TS]

  whatever you want to call it sucks the [TS]

  energy out of the Sun because hand-wave [TS]

  hand-wave hand wave like this is exactly [TS]

  what you would expect nazi general [TS]

  weasley to come up with because this is [TS]

  the Empire and they can't believe they [TS]

  can win they can't be so they can't put [TS]

  the thing is do you really think the [TS]

  Empire like is filled with scientists [TS]

  are like we're going to disrupt the [TS]

  paradigm of planet blower-upper thing is [TS]

  like like there's no silicon valley in [TS]

  the Empire it's just not that's [TS]

  generally that just they tried to [TS]

  improve upon their model and instead of [TS]

  instead of building a new one they used [TS]

  a planet to create one and let's just [TS]

  make it bigger [TS]

  yeah I ever and it wasn't like there it [TS]

  was not like there was you know an open [TS]

  hole that somebody could fly into and [TS]

  just shoot it let's let's let's be fair [TS]

  they're actually had to send a squad and [TS]

  it took more than one shot and one ship [TS]

  was yeah as a matter of fact that all of [TS]

  those shots that didn't work at all what [TS]

  it took was the people are physically [TS]

  sneaking inside blowing it up from the [TS]

  inside which created a new hole that [TS]

  they were then able to to to use to get [TS]

  in there and blow it up so it was the [TS]

  only reason a an x-wing was able to get [TS]

  in there and blow it up is because on [TS]

  solo had done the work first right well [TS]

  in and speaking of resonance and you [TS]

  know one of the things I worried about [TS]

  when when the movie started and so [TS]

  they're estranged and all that was the [TS]

  thought that well you know the journey [TS]

  he went on in the first trilogy where [TS]

  he's kind of redeemed from being the [TS]

  scruffy smuggler type [TS]

  well that's all out the window but with [TS]

  a dove they did a beautiful job of [TS]

  actually carrying it forward and [TS]

  implausibly going ok this is where he [TS]

  would be if this happened and not only [TS]

  that he's not really the scruffy stuck [TS]

  smuggler anymore i almost said scruffy [TS]

  snuggler which everybody i think is that [TS]

  for a while to me was always yeah that [TS]

  happened and but you know it is sort of [TS]

  the resonance of that final moment on [TS]

  the bridge right we're now it's echoing [TS]

  that moment where Ben and Darth Vader or [TS]

  about to [TS]

  fighting the Death Star and they're all [TS]

  watching that happen right and and he's [TS]

  the one is like my kid we just gotta go [TS]

  no now but now he's the one who's not [TS]

  only making it happen he's the one [TS]

  stepping forward he is literally been in [TS]

  that moment [TS]

  exactly which is beautiful you had that [TS]

  whole thing that's you know I can I can [TS]

  forgive all the other plot mechanics [TS]

  just because that was so nicely done and [TS]

  and it carried his protagonist journey [TS]

  to its proper our conclusion was just [TS]

  lovely [TS]

  I knew that was gonna happen like I knew [TS]

  he was gonna die when they embarked upon [TS]

  the rescue mission right when it was [TS]

  chewy and hot and and Finn going into [TS]

  the base I was like yeah he's he's gonna [TS]

  die because he he's obviously been right [TS]

  well he spent the whole movie saying hey [TS]

  this is great tomorrow is my my [TS]

  retirement this is your last day of work [TS]

  of course yeah there's also too much of [TS]

  him in there for him to be back for more [TS]

  movies you know that but like so I spent [TS]

  that whole time they were on the base [TS]

  just like okay he's gonna die when is it [TS]

  going to happen when is it can happen [TS]

  like when it like I was just waiting for [TS]

  him to die like that whole time I kind [TS]

  of was [TS]

  I'd forgotten about it by that time but [TS]

  the the moment that I figured out that [TS]

  Han Solo was going to die was actually [TS]

  when I was listening to the incomparable [TS]

  episode where Jason and red and John and [TS]

  Danny were talking about their [TS]

  excitement for the movie and like their [TS]

  expectations the spoiler free one not [TS]

  talking about a trailer and serenity was [TS]

  saying how she was was really excited [TS]

  for this film and the thing that made [TS]

  her get her hopes up the most was seeing [TS]

  Harrison Ford be interviewed about it [TS]

  and how he's such a notorious grump in [TS]

  interviews and he actually seemed kind [TS]

  of enthusiastic and a little bit jazzed [TS]

  about this film and she thought if this [TS]

  is enough for Harrison Ford to be you [TS]

  know kind of smiling and enthusiastic [TS]

  and having fun with it that means it's [TS]

  probably a really good movie and in my [TS]

  head I'm going know that means his [TS]

  character is going to die he's a giant [TS]

  grumpy troll and he's just sitting there [TS]

  on the stage thinking haha guys you're [TS]

  gonna have to watch me die and it's just [TS]

  relieved you start with the franchise [TS]

  now we don't I don't [TS]

  to come back for two more exactly yeah [TS]

  but that it was I liked that there were [TS]

  all of those echoes because um and and I [TS]

  liked him [TS]

  I can't remember Lupita's character's [TS]

  name and the possible as mom as cannot [TS]

  mass cannot thank you cannot i have [TS]

  you're always gonna find watering holes [TS]

  in frontiers I mean I get that we had [TS]

  the Tatooine thing with the wretched [TS]

  hive of scum and villainy and you meet [TS]

  han Solo there and so on and so forth [TS]

  but this is one of the things I've [TS]

  always appreciated i like the trading [TS]

  posts i love seeing cloud city in the [TS]

  but the last iteration of the cycle for [TS]

  example i actually think that was one [TS]

  thing that was kind of missing from [TS]

  episodes 123 was all the cultures were [TS]

  so siloed and the Jedi seem to be you [TS]

  know the only ones that come to move [TS]

  around i like the idea that you do have [TS]

  these shifting you do have these places [TS]

  that after shifting borderlands where [TS]

  course that's where Han Solo that's what [TS]

  console is gonna he's gonna find another [TS]

  one [TS]

  yeah that's right he's gonna know where [TS]

  they are it's a place to exchange [TS]

  information six place to be well it's [TS]

  supposed to get lost it's a place to [TS]

  find something you're looking for but [TS]

  what I loved about this one was it felt [TS]

  so timeless I mean you have that statue [TS]

  up there which which gave the impression [TS]

  of of great age as it were [TS]

  he did say she'd run it for a thousand [TS]

  years exactly and then you all those [TS]

  banners and whether or not it was [TS]

  intentional as kind of a guide invited [TS]

  to it and I like entrust that character [TS]

  as well i'm a sucker for mortal [TS]

  bartenders i guess and method I i was [TS]

  also getting kind of a Marion Ravenwood [TS]

  vibe to it's like that's like her place [TS]

  and raiders I like the whole well this [TS]

  works for these cultures so you know [TS]

  we're going to go back and we're gonna [TS]

  finally blown up all that we've blown up [TS]

  all the Jacen and Jaina Skywalker pink [TS]

  get whatever business that that Lucas [TS]

  with the twins and and all that you know [TS]

  we blow up all this stuff that you nerds [TS]

  have considered continuity for years and [TS]

  we're starting fresh but i like that it [TS]

  seems like there's a lot of really rich [TS]

  cultural texture that they're they're [TS]

  pulling into it the same way I'm kind of [TS]

  fascinated by the thriving scavenger [TS]

  business that's going on Jacko like the [TS]

  fact that the Empire doesn't come back [TS]

  to clean up or salvage any way shape or [TS]

  form [TS]

  I find that really interesting and weird [TS]

  and I really this is their way of doing [TS]

  the salvage I mean they very very likely [TS]

  could be the ones you know the first [TS]

  order that are buying all of those parts [TS]

  off of the merchants who are selling you [TS]

  know buying it with bread and now [TS]

  because i'm wondering why you wouldn't [TS]

  just you know send all those are all [TS]

  children of their stealing from other [TS]

  cultures in turning into stormtroopers [TS]

  why you wouldn't just do like if you can [TS]

  ascend pushing a broom as a sanitation [TS]

  engineer in a facility could certainly [TS]

  have these dudes trippin around the trip [TS]

  around that's necessarily I mean they [TS]

  may have lost a good chunk of their of [TS]

  their workforce [TS]

  well they want a big-ass rocking into [TS]

  this movie [TS]

  very true so I mean I think it's [TS]

  probably the priorities are keeping [TS]

  things set on under their new Starkiller [TS]

  base as opposed to you you know [TS]

  scavenging parts that may or may not [TS]

  even be useful i am just who leaves its [TS]

  small child on a planet like that I want [TS]

  to find out the like I like that they're [TS]

  enraged to questions that are bugging me [TS]

  and he it was Lou he's not supposed to [TS]

  have kids like this is how we got-we [TS]

  we've gotten three generations of [TS]

  skywalker DNA monkeying with the [TS]

  universe's is that one of them couldn't [TS]

  keep his pants maybe I don't know I feel [TS]

  like that the loop thing is a little eat [TS]

  that's a little too i think so too yeah [TS]

  first that's without my first I was like [TS]

  all it's obvious but then actually then [TS]

  Stephen my husband was pointing out to [TS]

  me that in that very last scene where [TS]

  it's it's just the two of them and [TS]

  they're not speaking he's not actually [TS]

  looking at ray he's looking at the [TS]

  lightsaber that his daughter he would [TS]

  not be looking at the lightsaber yeah [TS]

  yeah maybe she's a Kenobi [TS]

  mm well interested that's the raises the [TS]

  question did obi-wan Kenobi bother [TS]

  sticking to the Jedi Code after he ran [TS]

  off to Tatooine [TS]

  oh god no i mean like you had a girl [TS]

  having a backwater and I board but let's [TS]

  talk about Ray because she is [TS]

  I mean I'm sure that other panels talked [TS]

  about her but whatever we're gonna do it [TS]

  because i have enough to be squeezed [TS]

  right of any right or no [TS]

  over and over again so we've got this [TS]

  little girl we get like this very brief [TS]

  glance of her backstory and other than [TS]

  seeing her be amazing like taking things [TS]

  apart exploring the desert inn in an [TS]

  effort to take things apart and we have [TS]

  some hints that are past like she's able [TS]

  to pilot she knows about the [TS]

  modifications made to the more the the [TS]

  Falcon so like obviously she's i know i [TS]

  don't know there's like something [TS]

  happening there and she's really complex [TS]

  and really really awesome [TS]

  she uh gosh i love her so much as a [TS]

  character yeah i might might you know we [TS]

  have the thing of you know why aren't [TS]

  there any action figures of rain why are [TS]

  they all the men why why does the [TS]

  multipack like all the men and then like [TS]

  an extra tie fighter pilot why isn't ray [TS]

  in there instead of a TIE fighter pilot [TS]

  right here and and mine mine goes yeah [TS]

  i'd like to get raked she's cool she's [TS]

  the hero [TS]

  I guess we can get fit and post so she [TS]

  can rescue them [TS]

  yeah so she can rescue them actually [TS]

  like yes this is the greatest part is is [TS]

  I loved it when she's like stop holding [TS]

  my hand is her haha markets and I i was [TS]

  thinking back to how I would have [TS]

  reacted seeing this as a five or [TS]

  six-year-old because i saw at the time [TS]

  so I told the story and podcast before I [TS]

  saw stars my kindergarten class was a [TS]

  field trip and I distinctly recall like [TS]

  my feet being too my legs sticking out [TS]

  on the cinema see because the seat was [TS]

  so big but like the reason and i [TS]

  imprinted on Princess Leia his she was [TS]

  literally like nothing else I had ever [TS]

  seen you know and this is the kind of [TS]

  business I want to be rather than the [TS]

  one that sits around Simpers of birds [TS]

  until she falls asleep or whatever you [TS]

  you and my wife we get along [TS]

  I don't be letting and when I watched [TS]

  this and I saw ray [TS]

  it was almost like traveling back in [TS]

  time to that younger person and thinking [TS]

  wow this is you she's even better than [TS]

  princess late because granted Princess [TS]

  Leia that's a really high bar for what [TS]

  she could do but you have somebody who [TS]

  you know who survives is really brutal [TS]

  world you know she's surviving she's not [TS]

  she's not thriving necessarily but she's [TS]

  not it [TS]

  she she's not you know so destitute that [TS]

  she's in danger of [TS]

  of dying for any for any reason you know [TS]

  she's she's got ambition she's got focus [TS]

  she's got skills and she's adaptable and [TS]

  has a principals in her code and is [TS]

  resilient and tough and large source [TS]

  file and learns quickly [TS]

  yep and you know you look at everything [TS]

  that she is and she does and how [TS]

  fiercely loyal she's to people and how [TS]

  donation she is and I kept thinking wow [TS]

  that is there are going to be the little [TS]

  girls across this country who I'm you [TS]

  know if they were using justin from toy [TS]

  story is there a little before like [TS]

  raised on their mental toy shelf next to [TS]

  jesse and Rainbow Dash and all of the [TS]

  other all of the other strong determined [TS]

  tenacious resourceful characters that [TS]

  populate the world and i love that we [TS]

  have that I love that she's not a [TS]

  girlfriend like this has been my big [TS]

  complaint about the star trek reboot is [TS]

  how poorly the female characters have [TS]

  fared yep and I've been having that [TS]

  problem and having that problem with [TS]

  Marvel to like I think this is one of [TS]

  the reasons i'm so happy about jessica [TS]

  jones is because it's breaking the [TS]

  streak but you know I've been going to [TS]

  marvel movies where I asked you were [TS]

  asked where asked to imagine a world [TS]

  where space aliens are secretly vikings [TS]

  and and Mandy can turn into giant [TS]

  reading range machines after being [TS]

  exposed to radiation and like apparently [TS]

  the idea that women would maybe hang out [TS]

  with each other or have agency or [TS]

  anything like that like that beggars [TS]

  belief [TS]

  so that's that science-fiction yeah Oh [TS]

  what that's crazy talk so it was nice [TS]

  that star wars just treat it so [TS]

  matter-of-factly like of course a of [TS]

  course Leigh is the general who has more [TS]

  experience with crazy Skywalker's going [TS]

  to the dark side and cheetahs and of [TS]

  course ray manages very well on her own [TS]

  and she's strong in the force and of [TS]

  course the thousand-year-old bartender [TS]

  who happens two to run one of the most [TS]

  successful culture trading post as part [TS]

  of the university's lady and of course [TS]

  like I was telling my husband who would [TS]

  go see a movie with me because he really [TS]

  liked that turned off by the prequels i [TS]

  was like i said it was so nice to just [TS]

  see when included they were just there [TS]

  like everywhere there in the background [TS]

  they were running things that was [TS]

  fighter pilot was a woman because i can [TS]

  remember watching she was child and [TS]

  being like why are there no female [TS]

  pilots or why why are there no female [TS]

  smokers and like it was so nice just to [TS]

  see how much more radical egalitarianism [TS]

  this this movie was in the stuff that [TS]

  came before it [TS]

  well to be fair i believe Jedi did have [TS]

  a female pilot which is still the same [TS]

  ratio that we have for this one yes [TS]

  there's only one in this correct [TS]

  yeah she has lines that which I'm very [TS]

  excited I is I honestly thought she was [TS]

  gonna die because I'm like oh god [TS]

  anytime you see a woman who's hanging [TS]

  with the boys she gets killed I all I [TS]

  could think was if if there had been a [TS]

  female fighter pilot in the original [TS]

  Star Wars it's like naming the fat guy [TS]

  Porkins here would have been like [TS]

  pleading guy or something [TS]

  flylady yeah well sliding five are you [TS]

  ready to this is the first movie I've [TS]

  walked out of in i do walked out of it [TS]

  out but i don't know where i was going [TS]

  to say recent memory but like just [TS]

  memory where I I felt really good [TS]

  because you know the typical thing is [TS]

  like oh we've got this woman and she's [TS]

  strong and resourceful and tenacious and [TS]

  like all those those traits that Lisa [TS]

  listed and then in the last half hour [TS]

  she needs to be rescued by the fin and [TS]

  Han and Chewie and she didn't ray didn't [TS]

  need that Ray was capable written up [TS]

  later so I loved it right the whole [TS]

  thing and I you know I walked out of [TS]

  guardians of the galaxy feeling really [TS]

  really bad i walked out of an age of [TS]

  Ultron Ultron feeling really really [TS]

  meant like scarlett johansson is is the [TS]

  Hulk's girlfriend in that movie [TS]

  well like kind of an kind of Hawkeye's [TS]

  like I don't know like jealous of his [TS]

  family like I don't it was just bizarre [TS]

  to me and the same for Star Trek we have [TS]

  and we have scientist lady who strips [TS]

  down to her underwear for no reason like [TS]

  constant constant let downs in my [TS]

  science fiction which is a kid nearly [TS]

  disappointing and this didn't have that [TS]

  and I walked out and I was like this [TS]

  this is the movie i have been waiting [TS]

  for forever at the bit at the [TS]

  the risk of bringing it down i still [TS]

  think it's aight i still think it's [TS]

  hogwash that you cast a woman of color [TS]

  and then hydrogen cgi I was just going [TS]

  to say that like I don't understand why [TS]

  we don't have did they decide after she [TS]

  was cast if they were gonna make that [TS]

  character cgi because that would suck [TS]

  I don't know I don't know I don't think [TS]

  so but yes I'm okay then i but then i [TS]

  don't feel like that but I mean I think [TS]

  she was designed to be Yoda sk yeah but [TS]

  which again resonance it's such a it is [TS]

  a little crazy to me that in Star Wars [TS]

  you have more characters who are you [TS]

  know made with rubber masks or CGI or [TS]

  who are droids who have lines and agency [TS]

  and and speaking parts in this world [TS]

  then you do men of color much as women [TS]

  of color like it's it's still a [TS]

  relentlessly white universe and we just [TS]

  the thing that kind of baffles me you [TS]

  know and anyone spreading a wide net [TS]

  here to also include star trek and also [TS]

  include the marvel vs um it is crazy to [TS]

  me that if you have a medium that isn't [TS]

  that that is inherently built on we took [TS]

  this world moved at 45 degrees and [TS]

  through and crazy stuff that like [TS]

  somehow your standard is still lots of [TS]

  white dudes you know [TS]

  yeah and so while i'm excited that John [TS]

  boyega is obviously going to be an [TS]

  important part of this franchise hooray [TS]

  and Daisy Ridley hooray [TS]

  you know it's it's still it's a lot of [TS]

  dudes and I was the others along a lot [TS]

  of white people [TS]

  yeah this is a long way to go but i i'm [TS]

  i'm still at the same time happy that [TS]

  they've gotten as far they have and then [TS]

  going back to just talking about Ray for [TS]

  a moment [TS]

  um one of the things I love about her is [TS]

  that she is super awesome and super [TS]

  capable but she's not infallible like [TS]

  she's right of getting to see her screw [TS]

  up for example accidentally opening the [TS]

  doors to the ship to let go crazy [TS]

  monster monster beast that was such a [TS]

  great sequence which was you know kind [TS]

  of it a little bit of hilarity and then [TS]

  also just seeing her screw up and she's [TS]

  also kind of socially a little bit weird [TS]

  and awkward because she's lived by [TS]

  yourself in an at4 like her entire life [TS]

  practically so it's a [TS]

  it's nice that she isn't a hundred [TS]

  percent on the ball all the time and we [TS]

  get to see it when she's not [TS]

  yeah and it's nice to see your mess up [TS]

  and be like instead of like beating [TS]

  herself up she's like okay that didn't [TS]

  go the way I expected [TS]

  how do i fix it and it was good to see [TS]

  and that's the kind of attitude you'd [TS]

  expect from somebody who grew up and [TS]

  managed to make it to the age that she [TS]

  is at on a planet like Jack who [TS]

  yeah and it's like all the talk online [TS]

  from certain quarters that all she's a [TS]

  mary-sue well you know friends look well [TS]

  no no no no a hero is designed to be [TS]

  idealized his he or she is designed to [TS]

  be the person that we identify with that [TS]

  we want to be in that story a mary-sue [TS]

  is someone who comes into the story that [TS]

  as a proxy is a proxy for the writer is [TS]

  a proxy for the fan who is the best [TS]

  thing ever and then leaves they're not a [TS]

  permanent part of that story they're not [TS]

  the enemy that's it came from Star Trek [TS]

  fan fiction that's where the term comes [TS]

  from and you know it's like oh here's an [TS]

  insulin who saves the ship and saved [TS]

  everybody's lives and gets promoted all [TS]

  the way to Admiral in the course of half [TS]

  an hour that's a mary-sue this is just a [TS]

  hero and she's meant to be the [TS]

  cornerstone of this next section of the [TS]

  saga that is not a mary-sue that is a [TS]

  hero [TS]

  so I guess the question I have is is [TS]

  nerd culture or more specifically dude [TS]

  nerd culture so accustomed to women as [TS]

  objects to be one or supporting [TS]

  characters who give the men something to [TS]

  do IE rescue them with them whatever or [TS]

  or background wallpaper that they can't [TS]

  handle it when women have that the [TS]

  defining traits of of the protagonists [TS]

  in the hero that might be part of it but [TS]

  i think i think what it boils down to it [TS]

  and even a deeper level than that is [TS]

  that as women we have been taught our [TS]

  entire lives to we've learned how to [TS]

  empathize with the male characters who [TS]

  have been at the center of all these [TS]

  adventure stories boys were never taught [TS]

  to do that with girl characters so they [TS]

  now see this person who is awesome and [TS]

  who is the center of this film and they [TS]

  are many of them are not equipped to [TS]

  empathize with this character that they [TS]

  feel that it's wrong for them to sort of [TS]

  put themselves in this character shoes [TS]

  because my god she's a girl [TS]

  whereas we've been doing that with point [TS]

  characters forever and ever and ever so [TS]

  we have no trouble with it so it's it's [TS]

  it's basically a new skill set that [TS]

  needs to be built by an awful awful lot [TS]

  of people [TS]

  yeah and I mean honestly if more people [TS]

  could step outside of themselves and [TS]

  empathize with someone who doesn't look [TS]

  just like them [TS]

  what does that solve a lot of problems [TS]

  in the world today [TS]

  no didn't you know i mean i was i was [TS]

  raised when I was a child my mother was [TS]

  a single mother and so everything that I [TS]

  got all of the the pop-culture I got [TS]

  came filtered through that experience [TS]

  and and the importance of being able to [TS]

  see elements of yourself four elements [TS]

  that you would like to be part of [TS]

  yourself in people who were not at all [TS]

  like yourself and you know I i feel very [TS]

  lucky about that I try to do that but [TS]

  with our kids it's like you know it's [TS]

  okay i mean that's what it my 14 year [TS]

  olds favorite movie of the year was fury [TS]

  road my 11 year olds favorite was inside [TS]

  out our favorite altogether was was the [TS]

  force awakens what's the thread they're [TS]

  all females they're all that's the hero [TS]

  anyway and that's and I do it as you [TS]

  kind of mentioned before lean i love [TS]

  that that they don't really make a big [TS]

  deal out of the fact that she is a girl [TS]

  they don't make a big deal out of the [TS]

  fact that that fame is a black man they [TS]

  just they are these characters and [TS]

  they're interacting in the way that they [TS]

  are just as people like currently own [TS]

  and I'm sure this which this I'm sure [TS]

  this will change after I've seen it a [TS]

  few more times because my favorite bits [TS]

  of movies always change but my current [TS]

  favorite chunk of the film is from the [TS]

  time that thing gets to the outpost [TS]

  where where ray buerre lives and you [TS]

  know sees her and goes to rescue her and [TS]

  then realizes why don't let me just idle [TS]

  away here she clearly doesn't need any [TS]

  help and down all the way like all of [TS]

  their interactions through running [TS]

  through stealing the Millennium Falcon [TS]

  until the point where they have escaped [TS]

  the planet and it's in an open the [TS]

  autopilot in space or something like [TS]

  that and they meet each other in the [TS]

  corridor and their excitedly talking [TS]

  over each other [TS]

  and they just they're so jazz in the end [TS]

  with this big hug it's like that's [TS]

  that's the kind of reaction that i want [TS]

  to see more in movies after an [TS]

  experience like this so often characters [TS]

  just sort of like yeah they brush it off [TS]

  we've just been through something crazy [TS]

  cool we lived know this is this is what [TS]

  I would be doing I'd be freaking the [TS]

  heck out what somebody hug and that is [TS]

  what they do and they don't make a big [TS]

  deal that she's a girl he's black [TS]

  they're just they just hug right i think [TS]

  what made my gave me a lump in my throat [TS]

  of that though is they're both such [TS]

  lonely people [TS]

  yes and part of the reason they're so [TS]

  getting and they're hugging is because [TS]

  for the first time they're not alone and [TS]

  that it and and it's it's it's our hood [TS]

  oh my god you know it's it's they like [TS]

  leveled up in humanities or it like it's [TS]

  about community here I got a whole new [TS]

  world the whole experience but you know [TS]

  you had two people who he says he was [TS]

  taken from a family he doesn't remember [TS]

  and they have that senior captain fast [TS]

  was talking about how it was set for [TS]

  reconditioning and you'll note that the [TS]

  picture of him on the profile they bring [TS]

  up is not the adults in the little boy [TS]

  they stole right and and again ray was I [TS]

  guess left by somebody who is concerned [TS]

  about her well-being when she was only [TS]

  six or seven years old so they both have [TS]

  the experience of being ripped from you [TS]

  ripped from their families they've been [TS]

  rated they've either been raised to [TS]

  raise themselves and very you know cars [TS]

  Harrison isolationist environments [TS]

  they're both very lonely people who are [TS]

  also a little bit confused as to why [TS]

  things are happening to them the way the [TS]

  heart and and they survive an experience [TS]

  together and what's more is that like [TS]

  it's the together part that I think [TS]

  moves the more than the survive part [TS]

  because they have probably separately [TS]

  survived pretty awful things and had [TS]

  nobody to process it with but this time [TS]

  there is somebody who not only will [TS]

  listen to that other person cares what [TS]

  happened to them and that's like a whole [TS]

  new experience for them to and it just [TS]

  gave me like a lump in my throat you [TS]

  know what one and not only that but ten [TS]

  tell me if I'm mistaken when when they [TS]

  first meet and they're you know they're [TS]

  running they're being chased any and he [TS]

  keeps grabbing your hand here dad got in [TS]

  my hand isn't is that the only time that [TS]

  anyone sort of makes a very [TS]

  stereotypical your girl come on [TS]

  I i think that [TS]

  the only time in the whole movie and and [TS]

  what's really great about that whole [TS]

  sequence is that it starts off with [TS]

  their they are kind of formal the area i [TS]

  mean they had know each other at that [TS]

  moment and just through that whole [TS]

  experience they come back around to [TS]

  having a shared experience which they've [TS]

  never really had with anyone before and [TS]

  that's what culminates in the hug too [TS]

  and I mean it's just a beautiful moment [TS]

  so the grabbing of the hand do you think [TS]

  that was some of the JJ Abrams all [TS]

  thrown some levity to get people [TS]

  invested and have them laughed through [TS]

  the tension or do you think that was [TS]

  honestly supposed supposed to point to [TS]

  something where maybe Finn is kind of [TS]

  remembering some of the social mores [TS]

  that may have been that he may have [TS]

  experienced before abduction and and [TS]

  conditioning [TS]

  I think that's both i think it is a very [TS]

  proper traditional this is how you were [TS]

  raised [TS]

  you do this and complexity stormtroopers [TS]

  being big on chivalry [TS]

  yeah I wonder I've been wondering about [TS]

  that too I was wondering if this was JJ [TS]

  Abrams sending up the action convention [TS]

  or if this was at work because you know [TS]

  it's not like they're there are things [TS]

  he does that seem anachronistic or see [TS]

  mostly to be done to you know connect [TS]

  audiences and make them feel like was a [TS]

  reverent um as opposed to stuff that [TS]

  might be in there deliberately to try to [TS]

  set to try to lay down clues or sending [TS]

  messages and with the hand-holding thing [TS]

  i'm honestly not sure because again [TS]

  JJ Abrams does sometimes do stuff that's [TS]

  meant just to win audiences over like [TS]

  James Kirk of the song sabotage its kind [TS]

  of necklace of some young man today [TS]

  driving his car around to like a 1920s [TS]

  bootleg tune I got the impression that [TS]

  he would be doing that same sort of [TS]

  thing I mean possibly even if it was a [TS]

  guy that it that's just his his reaction [TS]

  especially you know Keith he was a [TS]

  stormtrooper his first battle he sees [TS]

  one of his friends died you know [TS]

  thank goodness for us that he does so we [TS]

  can recognize him cause he's completed [TS]

  his mask and then the the first person [TS]

  that that he it connects to in any way [TS]

  is actually po Dameron and then they [TS]

  escaped together so that's his first [TS]

  experience of working together with [TS]

  someone and having that that [TS]

  togetherness experience which is Lisa [TS]

  said that's a really important and [TS]

  powerful thing and then hold eyes which [TS]

  had to have been such a huge blow to him [TS]

  that I think you know that his his [TS]

  natural reaction after [TS]

  that fact is if he sees you know maybe [TS]

  somebody that he is has any kind of [TS]

  connection with you know even though [TS]

  he's only said a few words to her they [TS]

  they are now somewhat connected [TS]

  something scary at all [TS]

  he grabs your hand and he runs when in [TS]

  the end the stormtroopers are big on [TS]

  chivalry but they are big on proper [TS]

  orders and this is the purple violet [TS]

  printed that can talk this is the proper [TS]

  thing to do in this moment and you do [TS]

  this right it's not it's not your choice [TS]

  you do this because this is what you're [TS]

  supposed to do and that's I mean that's [TS]

  how I was trained chivalrously right you [TS]

  know you hold the door for ladies you do [TS]

  this you do that did you don't question [TS]

  it right and so I did that [TS]

  it struck me as it was combination of [TS]

  both of those things from the other side [TS]

  it's interesting too that you know ray [TS]

  keep saying stop taking my hand I can [TS]

  run without you taking my hand which i [TS]

  would expect from somebody who has his [TS]

  load on her own for so long [TS]

  which to me makes the the hug scene [TS]

  after they survive even more touching [TS]

  because she's been you know sort of like [TS]

  you know not wanting the physical [TS]

  contact and now she's just so [TS]

  overwhelmed with with the happy feels [TS]

  that she's good with a hug [TS]

  hmm oh yeah it's it's certainly more [TS]

  subtle emotional development that we've [TS]

  gotten into the others i think the other [TS]

  installments and I say this is somebody [TS]

  who loves movies four through six [TS]

  episodes four through six and would be [TS]

  really willing to revisit episodes 1-3 [TS]

  so I i revisited 13 when the kids were a [TS]

  couple years younger and been revisited [TS]

  them several times and then I finally [TS]

  snapped and played them the incomparable [TS]

  episodes about the first the the one two [TS]

  and three and now we've heard Steve [TS]

  let's say go wash your droid more than [TS]

  we've actually seen the prequels now so [TS]

  nature and nurture i purposely did not [TS]

  listen to the in comfortable episode [TS]

  about episode 1 because I just don't [TS]

  want to hear at you don't they know [TS]

  their problems with that movie but I [TS]

  don't like you but you don't want to [TS]

  know you don't have to go to ebay i'm [TS]

  happy to listen to rip apart 2 and 3 i'm [TS]

  good with that haha [TS]

  special means if we're gonna talk about [TS]

  things that bothered us about the movie [TS]

  one of the things that bothered me was [TS]

  and they they just like anyone they met [TS]

  they were like oh yeah this droid has [TS]

  has the map to Luke that was like that [TS]

  but the bumpers are you already headed [TS]

  in everything [TS]

  wait did he hide something in all the [TS]

  droids dude you know and it starts when [TS]

  it starts with poe you know and it's a [TS]

  very blatant think it's an orange and [TS]

  white droid completely unique and you [TS]

  know like it starts with with po telling [TS]

  thin and then fingers to the planet he's [TS]

  like oh yeah [TS]

  plantilla and it's just like everyone [TS]

  they meet and I'm like it's just like [TS]

  Rubik's droids okay do not know how to [TS]

  keep secret service feel people out like [TS]

  did make me laugh every time but it made [TS]

  sense to me that pole would tell Finn [TS]

  because he's trying to convince him [TS]

  listen this is something that we really [TS]

  need to do it is that important you know [TS]

  this is the this is where we're going [TS]

  and then I i don't know why i fain would [TS]

  have any like it he wouldn't have any [TS]

  reason to keep stuff like that a secret [TS]

  so much like he doesn't care that much [TS]

  he just he's running away [TS]

  ok doesn't necessarily he's never lived [TS]

  in this rebellion world he's always been [TS]

  given orders and just marched to them so [TS]

  he might not have a filter for that kind [TS]

  of for that kind of information and then [TS]

  the next time that we get somebody tell [TS]

  told about it it's han Solo and chewy [TS]

  which you know that makes sense to it's [TS]

  still it's still funny every single time [TS]

  somebody's like yeah [TS]

  map to Luke Skywalker like come on guys [TS]

  how do you really know these people are [TS]

  who they say they are like I just I [TS]

  don't know like I was raised to be more [TS]

  suspicious so here's something where I [TS]

  didn't know everybody yeah that's all [TS]

  true that there is there is there is [TS]

  that were you just like you [TS]

  no wonder you are always getting blown [TS]

  up everything [TS]

  um my complaint and I feel odd making it [TS]

  I honestly expected poder run to die and [TS]

  like that in my opinion it would have [TS]

  been perfect if he had died in that tie [TS]

  fighter crashed and i think he was [TS]

  originally supposed yeah and that would [TS]

  the perfect MacGuffin where you're like [TS]

  oh it's the handsome leading man type [TS]

  and he's roguish and makes friends with [TS]

  the storm trooper who rescued him and [TS]

  they have a caper together and oh it's [TS]

  over because i'm kind of a sucker for [TS]

  that sort of sort of like one of my [TS]

  favorite comic book starts off on black [TS]

  orchid by Neil Gaiman starts off with [TS]

  that kind of swerve and so when Pope [TS]

  someone pode a man came back hello back [TS]

  and I thought oh my god you could lesli [TS]

  you and that's you still got that swerve [TS]

  like for a good chunk of the movie i [TS]

  really did think he was dead and there [TS]

  was a time I would've liked it if you'd [TS]

  stayed and I mean not because and this [TS]

  is nothing in Oscar Isaac who I may [TS]

  emphasize is his own special effect [TS]

  that's how funny looks [TS]

  I noticed such things to note that I [TS]

  would you know but why not you can't [TS]

  amazing hug at the end yeah in here like [TS]

  others which are you able to ship go and [TS]

  fen if yeah we're at here's my nasty [TS]

  suspicious mind at work though is it's [TS]

  awfully convenient now he's alive in [TS]

  background like what if you working with [TS]

  some way you know because it's the [TS]

  Empire and for all we know like there [TS]

  were a lot of Weasley's maybe there's a [TS]

  bunch of weekly generals in different [TS]

  parts of the of the Empire and they have [TS]

  wheels spinning within wheels and was [TS]

  like I'll have a couple moles in the [TS]

  resistance and this programmer and guy [TS]

  who's a really great fighter pilot he [TS]

  just happens to be good enough to get [TS]

  into scrapes and maybe he's playing a [TS]

  long con he's like some variation on the [TS]

  inside type thing so I'm like a little [TS]

  suspicious [TS]

  he's pretty shady then if he does that [TS]

  because I mean he had he blows up their [TS]

  planet killer so if he's if he is a mole [TS]

  he is he's in the deepest of deep cover [TS]

  yeah I'm pretty I i would not be [TS]

  surprised i like against wheels within [TS]

  wheels [TS]

  um I i want to be po'd amarin you you [TS]

  don't say that about perfect [TS]

  oh yeah [TS]

  you have higher factions like we don't [TS]

  like that all of our resources are being [TS]

  dictated by some jawless hologram madman [TS]

  and his luscious maine daca light so let [TS]

  you know my revolution from within block [TS]

  a few planets to finally cast aspersions [TS]

  on this this Death Star strategy we keep [TS]

  trying you know to be fair it may be [TS]

  like that worried him caucus of the [TS]

  entire you know [TS]

  oh no I i really liked podium and he [TS]

  swashbuckling he's like he's great I [TS]

  just feel like he was granted back into [TS]

  the plot like I would have liked to stay [TS]

  down for that reason well well and I and [TS]

  I and I think bb-8 is frankly the cap [TS]

  from inside llewyn davis but the thing [TS]

  is that it was a I mean I figured he [TS]

  would come back because that's a very [TS]

  classic cliffhanger switch you know it's [TS]

  like all these dead [TS]

  no he's not there's no way he could have [TS]

  gotten out yeah he got out of class [TS]

  second you know it's like all right [TS]

  that's that's fair enough that's in the [TS]

  that's in the DNA of Star Wars but if [TS]

  they were going to do that it's it's too [TS]

  convenient for him to just suddenly [TS]

  appear you know if there had just been [TS]

  one hint Finn doesn't need to know it [TS]

  Finn can still think he's dead but we [TS]

  need to have just one little tiny [TS]

  establishing you know a footprint [TS]

  walking away from the crash or or just [TS]

  something i don't know what you have [TS]

  been missing to ruin the host of the [TS]

  whole swerve as Lisa put it I'm glad [TS]

  that I didn't know I wouldn't i wouldn't [TS]

  have wanted a clue to that because then [TS]

  I wouldn't have had that delightful [TS]

  surprise at the end where you see that [TS]

  getting that wasn't then they didn't do [TS]

  it for me this this word for me is is [TS]

  for Finn right Finn is the one who gets [TS]

  surprised by it and then and his his [TS]

  sadness and then his joy at the end [TS]

  that's what makes it for me it's not [TS]

  it's not the plot machinations of all he [TS]

  survived it was because they did work on [TS]

  me and I think it probably worked a lot [TS]

  of kids insured yeah I'm sure did it was [TS]

  kinda like the in the man from uncle [TS]

  movie this summer where they they would [TS]

  like intentionally leave out details and [TS]

  then they would go back and show you the [TS]

  details they left and said see aren't we [TS]

  so clever like no you're just scared [TS]

  with us that's no that's not ok so it [TS]

  rubbed me that way it was like uh huh [TS]

  you know and like I said it doesn't have [TS]

  to be a big thing it could be something [TS]

  that we might miss but it should be just [TS]

  like in the corner of the screen [TS]

  somewhere so you go [TS]

  ah he did survive it is okay it is he [TS]

  didn't just miraculously show up alive [TS]

  later but but Finn was thrown out so far [TS]

  away like if you look right wreckage my [TS]

  baby knit one even had a footprint that [TS]

  wouldn't I was scared but if if in the [TS]

  distance you say yet but yeah and if in [TS]

  the distance you see like the trail of a [TS]

  parachute lying over the top of the dune [TS]

  that's where he landed we fin mrs. that [TS]

  entirely and he's walking something like [TS]

  that you know and yes i love the jacket [TS]

  i want the jacket [TS]

  oh god you have to know if anyone wants [TS]

  to buy me the jacket i was coming i want [TS]

  that jacket to that check is amazing [TS]

  oh no wonder if in like that I know [TS]

  ok so speaking of costumes i think what [TS]

  i really like and appreciate about this [TS]

  there's no metal bikini is anywhere in [TS]

  sight and you know raise race stuff is [TS]

  mostly functional when you think about [TS]

  it I mean there's a little bit of the [TS]

  whole cold shoulder off guard [TS]

  you know business top of the arms going [TS]

  on but I like that hurt her clothing is [TS]

  clearly functional um I like that is [TS]

  really change much that she's in pants [TS]

  the whole time I like that lady is [TS]

  actually in pants for much of this to [TS]

  actually the little girl I can't tell [TS]

  you how excited I was to see in return [TS]

  of the jedi that she was like wearing [TS]

  pants and jumpsuits everything was [TS]

  completely practical because you know I [TS]

  was like oh my gosh at last I think it [TS]

  was to balance the middle bikini in the [TS]

  first quarter [TS]

  oh no thats that returning to that I was [TS]

  just an uneven and I mean it worked on [TS]

  me as a as a boy just hitting the right [TS]

  spot and even at that point I was like [TS]

  yeah that's too much [TS]

  that's no no [TS]

  alright so we're at about an hour let's [TS]

  and let's do some closing closing [TS]

  thoughts happy thoughts let's end on a [TS]

  high note so and then will will will [TS]

  unfortunately call it good but America [TS]

  let's start with you [TS]

  well first of all I did bring up a [TS]

  picture of kylo Ren so now I know what [TS]

  he's talking about with this hair and um [TS]

  I don't know that I would call that [TS]

  lusciously condition it looks greasy to [TS]

  me which makes sense because you know [TS]

  he's been wearing a helmet all the time [TS]

  so of course his hair is going to be [TS]

  greasy I would keep my hands away from [TS]

  that as far as not that any fair picture [TS]

  you totally have to see this movie there [TS]

  is its own special effect of the movie [TS]

  I'm serious [TS]

  look it's giving me the kind of like [TS]

  creeping will use a little bit there no [TS]

  and nobody like the first time when he [TS]

  takes off his helmet and and you know [TS]

  what it's like it's awfully hard to [TS]

  block has how many he takes it off and [TS]

  the hair comes out I was like maybe the [TS]

  dark side of the force keeps you the [TS]

  ability to withstand helmet hair and [TS]

  that is compelling as the most [TS]

  compelling argument that can feel for [TS]

  the parts that I i will say my my only [TS]

  issue with kylo Ren I mean I have a [TS]

  natural that the riffing is strong in [TS]

  this one and and so there were too many [TS]

  moments where like you know he takes is [TS]

  this thing off and I go hey its Vinny [TS]

  Barbarino um aurorae CMS his character [TS]

  from girls which is not what you want to [TS]

  be seeing when you're watching this [TS]

  I've never been girl so I I can i yeah [TS]

  duh [TS]

  mhm no but but at the very end you know [TS]

  the the lightsaber duel which was really [TS]

  well done and I've said this online [TS]

  before my my feet are partners a fight [TS]

  director and and has taught me what to [TS]

  look for so I appreciate really good [TS]

  fight choreography right and i'm [TS]

  watching this and this is you know [TS]

  really good stuff and and at the same [TS]

  time I'm seeing the Black Knight from [TS]

  monty python and the holy grail and so [TS]

  every few seconds and I'm tis but a [TS]

  flesh wound [TS]

  no I'm like oh just put just a little [TS]

  bit of color in his costume you wouldn't [TS]

  have that but I'm like oh god no so i [TS]

  kept getting ripped out of them [TS]

  the moment by little things like that i [TS]

  mean the fight scene is beautiful in its [TS]

  it's kino it sort of has a real curse [TS]

  our feeling to it which is again [TS]

  absolutely right most of that's me [TS]

  teacher let me be your teacher [TS]

  yeah they're said and it's not because [TS]

  he and it's against that hold desperate [TS]

  need for human connection you realize my [TS]

  god he is as lonely as Finn and as ray r [TS]

  and this is the way he's chosen to [TS]

  handle it instead [TS]

  well I'm and again to go back to star [TS]

  trek for a second is everything goes [TS]

  back to star trek yeah it he reminded me [TS]

  of Charlie ex who was the the little boy [TS]

  who is raised by the aliens when his is [TS]

  his ship was marooned somewhere and all [TS]

  the adults died and the the all-powerful [TS]

  beings saved him and and and he ends up [TS]

  having to go back with them he did they [TS]

  take him away from the enterprise at the [TS]

  end of the episode spoiler horn and it [TS]

  reminded me of that because if if his [TS]

  biggest connection to anyone right now [TS]

  is is smoke i mean that's that's no way [TS]

  to live [TS]

  that's that's perhaps even worse than [TS]

  being isolated on a desert planet living [TS]

  on a hat [TS]

  ya know so again it's that desperate [TS]

  need for connection that was Vader's [TS]

  issue to write like he had the Emperor [TS]

  and people here for our joke [TS]

  yeah yeah not know enough to not what [TS]

  you'd call a fun holiday list know it [TS]

  take to get back to bite my happy thing [TS]

  to end on though it is it is a member [TS]

  you bring it back up here you guys I'm [TS]

  not gonna let you rest it down is that [TS]

  was my excitement over the character of [TS]

  thin because he's just he's kind of this [TS]

  wild card that we haven't really seen [TS]

  that kind of a character type in star [TS]

  wars before and you know he's it [TS]

  he's it its it's self-interest but it's [TS]

  it's nice self-interest like he mostly [TS]

  wants to run away until the end when he [TS]

  he goes back in and helps out but but i [TS]

  love the idea that i have absolutely no [TS]

  idea what his character arc is going to [TS]

  be where he's going to go in [TS]

  next movie he ends up unconscious and we [TS]

  have that many lovely scene of Ray [TS]

  kissing him on the forehead before she [TS]

  leaves and I just am thrilled to death [TS]

  with the idea that i don't know what [TS]

  he's going to do in the next movie [TS]

  that's great [TS]

  see that's that's the thing I loved all [TS]

  of the new characters were not analogues [TS]

  of the old ones they had their own [TS]

  twists their own interests they were all [TS]

  really well-crafted they were really [TS]

  well cast and-and-and exactly i don't [TS]

  know where that's going I don't know [TS]

  where she's going to wind up i don't [TS]

  know what's going on with po and and and [TS]

  all that i want to i walked out of the [TS]

  the theater saying all right i want the [TS]

  next one now I've and watched all the [TS]

  rest of them this week where is the next [TS]

  one [TS]

  some of the criticism that I've heard [TS]

  about the pipe then 10 is that he didn't [TS]

  receive a lot of character development [TS]

  and I think that's a good thing because [TS]

  throughout the movie he was reacting it [TS]

  wasn't about like oh that let them grow [TS]

  as a person it was like no friends in [TS]

  this really crappy situation he's in [TS]

  fight-or-flight mode [TS]

  yeah like that's it there's no room for [TS]

  character development he's still [TS]

  developing his character he's been [TS]

  indoctrinated into the cult of [TS]

  Stormtroopers the whole time he hasn't [TS]

  had any other experience usually having [TS]

  to train as we watch [TS]

  yeah I think that's what's great about [TS]

  him is you know he spends only he's [TS]

  basically a puppy and he spends the [TS]

  whole movie just just kind of you know [TS]

  huge paws flailing everywhere you know [TS]

  running in circles trying to figure out [TS]

  what's what'n and he finally focus he [TS]

  finally focuses on this one person who's [TS]

  offered him the idea of what life could [TS]

  be like if you're not living in constant [TS]

  terror highly regimented constant terror [TS]

  and and have some semblance of human [TS]

  connection and so when something of [TS]

  course happens to her you know he i have [TS]

  to go rescue her and then all of a [TS]

  sudden everyone else like and we will [TS]

  help you and it's such a it's a foreign [TS]

  experience but it's one he's really open [TS]

  to and that's what I love about fit as a [TS]

  character is he is radically open like [TS]

  in a way that you don't see a lot of [TS]

  characters in these kind of saugus [TS]

  typically because most the time like the [TS]

  typical exchanges personne [TS]

  cultural convention cultural convention [TS]

  skill skill quest person B react react [TS]

  tourism and Salter or quip gradually [TS]

  coming around to your way of thinking [TS]

  but you rarely see it were the first [TS]

  person you know conveys information the [TS]

  second person like abhorrent or I can be [TS]

  useful or something like that and I just [TS]

  loved how sweetly open he was [TS]

  loved how sweetly open he was [TS]

  it was it was it was wonderful you know [TS]

  if there's there's there wasn't a whole [TS]

  lot of distancing cynicism or irony and [TS]

  i was actually a little bit worried [TS]

  about that since it's infested the star [TS]

  trek ethos as it were and it's one of [TS]

  the defining hallmarks of the Marvel [TS]

  movies at this point so I liked that [TS]

  this movie is it goes back to this this [TS]

  people act on genuine motives and [TS]

  emotions are things that you take [TS]

  seriously and you know you honor the way [TS]

  to have them to act on them and finn [TS]

  just completely bodies that I loved it [TS]

  and a beautiful thing with his character [TS]

  all throughout everything he starts out [TS]

  in in in a in just constant terror and [TS]

  fear and all he wants to do is run and [TS]

  get away and he keeps getting thrown [TS]

  into situations where he has no choice [TS]

  but to keep moving forward instead of [TS]

  running and then eventually it gets to [TS]

  where he makes the choice to go and help [TS]

  and then he makes the choice to fight [TS]

  ran at the end with the lightsaber which [TS]

  has not been trained in and he's got a [TS]

  Jedi is ready hold it like a baseball [TS]

  bat is a stereo yeah yeah but the things [TS]

  he tries to rise to the occasion like [TS]

  every time he's presented with a hard [TS]

  choice he he's terrified but he does it [TS]

  like like thatthat battle is formatted [TS]

  forum and and some of them i mean [TS]

  they're not he doesn't even really have [TS]

  a choice right [TS]

  he doesn't have a choice when he's in [TS]

  the TIE fighter because he can't fly it [TS]

  he doesn't have a choice when he [TS]

  stranded on the desert planet in the [TS]

  crash tie fighter right and but then you [TS]

  know he has the choice at mazza's to to [TS]

  turn and run here to stay and and he [TS]

  does stay but it still was still he had [TS]

  to overcome that and and by the end it [TS]

  is it's not even a choice it's it's I'm [TS]

  going to do this because this is the [TS]

  right thing to do and he says that at [TS]

  one point it's like I'm doing this [TS]

  because it's the good thing to do it's [TS]

  the right thing which i think is a [TS]

  lovely it's it's a really important [TS]

  thing that a lot of movies and and [TS]

  especially hero movies have been letting [TS]

  me down on the the idea that you can be [TS]

  a good person because you are inherently [TS]

  good that's ok too right yeah at Lisa [TS]

  what's your point my have honestly [TS]

  it was finding out who kylo Ren's dad [TS]

  was I was well I was oh I'm so excited [TS]

  about him as a villain [TS]

  I'm just beyond excited because we're [TS]

  going to get to see I is we're [TS]

  completely invested in whether or not [TS]

  this guy can be redeemed and i love that [TS]

  like that's gonna be the thing that [TS]

  happens it because the question is set [TS]

  up in this movie like his because his [TS]

  mom I still believe there's some light [TS]

  in him and and you know when she and [TS]

  Hansel have that we need to talk about [TS]

  kevin moment with their son Carlo and I [TS]

  still believe there's some Lightning him [TS]

  and so go die you die to save him [TS]

  well I don't think she sent him up to do [TS]

  that although it does neatly solve the [TS]

  whole i made a baby with a scoundrel [TS]

  issue [TS]

  I'm but you know it's it's interesting [TS]

  to me that somebody who largely who grew [TS]

  up with a surrogate family that got [TS]

  blown up by dot star had so much faith [TS]

  in a father-son relationship when she [TS]

  kind of had a front-row seat to how [TS]

  mentor-mentee skirt out but like this [TS]

  whole movie you've liked you find out [TS]

  that Kyle is not completely committed to [TS]

  the dark side and that whole scene study [TS]

  has like I'm really torn and I need your [TS]

  help and I thought oh god that here's [TS]

  the here's the sort of here comes [TS]

  because he doesn't want to kill his dad [TS]

  but he wants his dad to give permission [TS]

  do it no but because we see him [TS]

  struggling and we see he's lonely and [TS]

  because he's tied two characters that we [TS]

  know unlike and Luke blames himself for [TS]

  kylo like we have a stake in kylo Ren's [TS]

  Redemption because we want this guy to [TS]

  come over to the light side of the force [TS]

  we want Luke to be redeemed since his [TS]

  Jedi experiment is thus far as something [TS]

  of a failure I'm so we want Luke to have [TS]

  the same kind of redemption and [TS]

  gratification that Ben Kenobi got in [TS]

  movies 4 through 6 [TS]

  it's it's just so like they've made an [TS]

  interesting precisely because he isn't [TS]

  he isn't a one-dimensional battery like [TS]

  Palpatine was and the problem that we [TS]

  had not the problem the thing about [TS]

  movies 436 was you had already seen [TS]

  Darth Vader after the battles clinical [TS]

  lost and [TS]

  like the redemption was kind of a sort [TS]

  of his character there but you have to [TS]

  admit for like one and seven eighths of [TS]

  a movie he's like the most terrifying [TS]

  thing going and then all of a sudden he [TS]

  does that I'm your father's work and he [TS]

  becomes that the like oh my god and you [TS]

  know that the the last movie whatever [TS]

  but I'm like this one like you're [TS]

  getting those in origin stories it was [TS]

  and so the big question is is he really [TS]

  gonna go with the jobless wonder that he [TS]

  talks to or is there hope for him to [TS]

  generally come over and if he comes back [TS]

  to the light side [TS]

  what is the sacrifice what's the price [TS]

  that has to be paid um so for me kylo [TS]

  Ren kind of as a high note because it's [TS]

  a complex villain in a way that we [TS]

  haven't seen before and it's a villain [TS]

  who has very personal ties to people we [TS]

  already care about and who has crafted [TS]

  personal ties to people we have come to [TS]

  care about like Ray and fit because he [TS]

  had awfully nasty normally person within [TS]

  and like I gotta be honest I'm a little [TS]

  worried for Finn in the next two [TS]

  installments because captain fastball [TS]

  went to the compactor and when she gets [TS]

  out of it because you don't cast when [TS]

  Christy and throw after like three seems [TS]

  completely 1000 gets up she's gonna want [TS]

  sum of around back and like the fact [TS]

  that it and the fact that kylo Ren like [TS]

  c-span and screams your traitor and like [TS]

  like he really takes us personally and [TS]

  so that's going to be thing 2 i'm just [TS]

  really set the zoom I think with a [TS]

  villain that is worthy of the saga and i [TS]

  love it [TS]

  no see I am I kind of took that scene [TS]

  the other way I didn't see him [TS]

  struggling I saw him luring hands-on in [TS]

  town and playing playing on you know [TS]

  playing it being innocent help me [TS]

  uh-oh me know because I struggle because [TS]

  he was monster the force earlier and the [TS]

  fact that he monologues to his grandpa's [TS]

  helmet and and all that and when he has [TS]

  that throw line 22 terrain where he's [TS]

  like--he'll only disappoint you [TS]

  um like it's easy to hate your parents [TS]

  when they're out of the room and you're [TS]

  an angry teenager but when your parents [TS]

  are driving you to hockey practice [TS]

  it's kind of hard to roll your eyes and [TS]

  so like when he's confronted with his [TS]

  dad and realizes that that solo has put [TS]

  his life on the line for love him [TS]

  it hits that party in the king [TS]

  commit to the dark side and what's worse [TS]

  it becomes made aware that part and he's [TS]

  already sensitive about the fact he [TS]

  can't use the force on the rain she can [TS]

  use it on other people so he's already [TS]

  insecure he's already angry and we all [TS]

  know from previous installments like [TS]

  that does not make for good for this [TS]

  building so no and that will see ya and [TS]

  then again when you jump to the the [TS]

  thing with ray when he when he battles [TS]

  with her and he screams you need a [TS]

  teacher let me be your teacher like it's [TS]

  not because he cares about how expertly [TS]

  the forces wield it's because he's so [TS]

  desperate to have a pier and he's lonely [TS]

  and he's desperate and he wants someone [TS]

  to connect when he wants to create a [TS]

  family of some sort [TS]

  you know having just killed part of his [TS]

  own but yeah I think he's a great [TS]

  villain III it's complex and interesting [TS]

  and and not boring and that's kind of [TS]

  what i want for my villains David what [TS]

  about your high points for high point my [TS]

  my high point is just the the characters [TS]

  themselves and the fact that i want to [TS]

  know more about them and I want to know [TS]

  I want to see more adventures with them [TS]

  right this second and you know that I [TS]

  haven't felt that about star wars in [TS]

  forever you know decades decades [TS]

  yeah for me it was definitely that [TS]

  feeling walking walking out of the [TS]

  theater and getting home and still being [TS]

  excited and still like yes this is [TS]

  amazing this was Star Wars this felt [TS]

  like Star Wars I can see myself in the [TS]

  characters you know that that feeling I [TS]

  carried with me for a couple of days did [TS]

  you also try to find find tickets for [TS]

  another show and discover it was sold [TS]

  out all weekend and then cry like I did [TS]

  no only I live in a very big metro areas [TS]

  so i can drive a while and get to the [TS]

  theater that has tickets but i did buy [TS]

  tickets at the theater before we started [TS]

  the first viewing so so I want to get [TS]

  ahead [TS]

  yeah i went to the first screening in [TS]

  phoenix on thursday night and then I [TS]

  went again Sunday afternoon with friends [TS]

  and I imagine we'll probably go back [TS]

  another timer to so yeah but but yeah [TS]

  and i don't i don't really watch movies [TS]

  in the theater I can't remember the last [TS]

  time i did that and so I said I saw the [TS]

  Phantom Menace nine times in the theater [TS]

  so okay yeah just met [TS]

  i got i did not but we're just going as [TS]

  a beautiful world that don't blame you [TS]

  for going back its it was it was fun to [TS]

  look alot of those those vividly [TS]

  rendered environments plus Liam Neeson [TS]

  yes now [TS]

  McGregor your mom like to think the [TS]

  panel so much for your thoughts and I [TS]

  think we could as everybody has probably [TS]

  said we could probably talk about this [TS]

  for hours and hours and hours and still [TS]

  talk about it more but i'm really [TS]

  excited and happy that I got to share [TS]

  this time with you at Lisa Schmeisser [TS]

  thank you so much for joining us [TS]

  I had a great time i'm so glad i got to [TS]

  talk to people I kind of feel like you [TS]

  know trying not to say anything on [TS]

  twitter because I know a lot of people [TS]

  who haven't seen it yeah it's just so [TS]

  much I want to say I'm going to explode [TS]

  so this is this was a nice outlet we [TS]

  need to talk about kevin I've been dying [TS]

  to use that we need to talk about the [TS]

  time when it's not about cabin I've been [TS]

  dying to say that for days and you know [TS]

  Phil I'm Phil nursing this weekend and [TS]

  I'm kind of interested to see how he [TS]

  reacts to it but I'm excited to see you [TS]

  again i'm so excited to see begin [TS]

  yeah it's I think the holdup and Erica [TS]

  and sign thank you so much for joining [TS]

  us thank you so much for having me you [TS]

  know much as I love the Phantom Menace [TS]

  the the prequels were not what everybody [TS]

  wanted a star wars and I think the first [TS]

  line of this film which was something to [TS]

  effective this will begin to make it [TS]

  right [TS]

  yeah that's it hmm it has mhm and David [TS]

  Laura thank you thank you all i can say [TS]

  is live long and prosper [TS]

  mmm crossing the streams again they see [TS]

  him trollin they hatin and I've been [TS]

  your host Raeleen sims and really [TS]

  excited to host my first panel on the [TS]

  incomparable mean show [TS]

  and and it's been a joy talk to you [TS]

  later [TS]

  may the force be with you [TS]

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