The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► sorry for the fish so long and thanks [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► for all them i'm not i'm not really i'm [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► not sorry [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► that's a reference drum I actually I i [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► have not gotten a lot of headphone time [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► since their new year's show and I'm i [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► actually haven't even heard the whole [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► the whole new year's run yet once you [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► see the hotdog flying around the room [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► no spoilers that was a great year though [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► I should have said the hotdog bouncing [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► around the room that's a reference [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► marker [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► yeah I know my belt was too far away [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► also was a terrible reference a bunch of [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► people wrote in via Twitter and in the [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► email telling you you really should have [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► tried airdrop when you were at i think [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► was tips Paris and you were trying to [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► send files around now i will be the [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► first to tell you i have a comically bad [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► memory a woefully bad memory but I could [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► swear you said during the show that you [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► had done one of these transfers with [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► airdrop is that not the case for did you [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► cut it what happened [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► I i did these transfer fired however [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► there's a couple of limitations there [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► drop number one the ipad has to be there [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► in the first instance my father-in-law [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► two-handed me just the card reader with [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► an SD card in it so that was probably [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► number one selling the ipad was not [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► actually nearby [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► normally i am a big airdrop user i use [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► airdrop probably at least two or three [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► times a week usually to send files [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► either from my phone to my mac or like [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► 24 between me and tiff like if one of us [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► was really cute video or photo and what [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► you wanted to be like in in are you know [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► in any other person's photo library will [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► play drop it over [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► they it usually does work very well [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► people who have airdrop troubles who [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► never works for at my biggest advice to [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► you is to switch it over to everyone [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► mode [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► I know it sounds crazy in reality at the [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► the risk from having an on everyone [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► receive mode seems fairly non-existent [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► unless you're like in a subway car [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► packed full every day and maybe people [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► might try to just do weird things to you [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► but you know i have never once had like [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► an unsolicited airdrop incoming thing [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► I've had my headset to everyone for a [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► very long time [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► so anyway when it's set to everyone it [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► works very reliably when it's set to [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► contact only it almost never works even [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► it you know whatever whatever [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► are using to match your contacts I guess [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► it doesn't work for me but and from what [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► I've heard about the people it seems [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► like it doesn't usually work for them [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► either but the everyone mode is very [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► reliable for me and works all the time I [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► use all the time and it's great i was [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► trying to do an airdrop to my own [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► computer with my own phone [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► oh yeah it doesn't even know even with [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► the mecard you know like the one that's [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► marked as like you which i assume is the [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► same on my phone and on my mac nothing [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► yeah but if you tell everyone it works [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► great and what what a lot of mine are [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► really about airdrop is the [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► implementation of it like therefore you [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► know a while back they were certain max [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► and things that couldn't do it like [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► certain old models and people thought [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► that was kind of BSE but there was [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► actually the reason for that basically [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► whatever drug does it uses either a [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► second radio or just like a second mode [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► of the Wi-Fi radio to basically create a [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► second like private Wi-Fi network [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► directly between the two devices so it [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► so even if the two devices that you're [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► sharing aren't even on Wi-Fi or one of [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► them's on a Wi-Fi network and other one [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► isn't there are different Wi-Fi networks [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► airdrop still works and that's pretty [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► cool and it just it saves a lot of [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► hassle so big fan of airdrop here keep [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► it on everyone mode if you want to work [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► it doesn't so if you see Marco WABC now [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► you all know what to do his phone is [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► totally open you can send him anything [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► but still prompts you to accept things [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► anyway so like there is a risk like it [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► will show you a preview of the picture [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► so if somebody wanted to like sounds [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► like a vulgar picture they you would see [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► the preview of it before kept saying [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► tonight so that I think would be the [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► risk but if it's so far that have to [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► happen to me i know i'm i'm inviting [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► horrible things but that just doesn't [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► happen in my everyday life so maybe [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► during a BC we got put on contacts [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► homely and just hope for the best [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► so I actually have a fun anecdote about [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► this this was a god maybe that though [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► this is maybe a year ago and I don't [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► think I ever told the story on the show [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► we were I believe returning home from [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► your house Marco I'm not a hundred [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► percent sure but we're certainly up in [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► the new york state of mind if you will [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► and we were in the Jersey Turnpike [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► really Declan it's a village also [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► noticing i just i still know that means [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► i just wanted to drop some sort of [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► reference John love me again [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► to lose ground easy it really is and so [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► are our way back to home and we stopped [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► at the Jersey Turnpike and we stopped [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► one of those like you know rest stops [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► that's on the turnpike and we went and [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► got a Roy Rogers burger maybe his burger [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► king whatever it was and then we're [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► sitting there and sarah and Declan me [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► and I meeting in somebody comes walking [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► up and I see this out of my periphery [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► and I'm and it looks like this person is [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► intent on talking to me which is fine [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► but surprising because nobody knows [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► where I am right now and it was a very [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► nice person I i don't recall his name [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► and I apologize if this very nice person [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► is listening I'm but they were very kind [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► and very nice and said oh my gosh I just [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► wanted to know are you Casey I just [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► wanted to introduce myself block and you [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► know i have to tell you a funny story I [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► didn't I i walked in and i was curious [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► if the place had any Wi-Fi and as i was [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► looking I noticed that there was [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► somebody broadcasting their iphones [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► Wi-Fi and it said casey Lissa's iphone [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► and I thought to myself oh my god [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► maybe he's here I should have a quick [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► look what happened was I was using my [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► iPad in the car and I personal data [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► tethering or personal hotspot whatever [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► it's called on and I just never bother [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► turning it off and so this this very [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► enterprising young man decided what [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► happened to see my my iphone in the list [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► and then looked around happened to spot [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► us and came up and said hi and he was [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► very very nice and very kind and it was [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► very funny but the goodness did it ever [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► take me by surprise that somebody had [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► like from across the room figured out [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► that i was there and came over with [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► intention to say hi it was startling in [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► the most flattering way possible and [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► quite funny so that's the be aware of [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► your personal personal hotspot and [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► airdrop I don't know aware of your [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► tendencies because it could catch in [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► trouble [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► well that was in trouble for me that you [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► read rename your phone to a VZW wireless [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► 1567 it's gonna shame that that that you [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► can't edit the Wi-Fi network name like [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► the only thing you could do is like [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► rename your your device and then it will [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► it will take on that I guess that's true [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► because wouldn't it be amazing if like [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► our thing was to get thousands of people [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► to change their hot spot [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► name two cases iphone and like you just [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► like this ATP fan the room [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► that'd be awesome about it but you can't [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► you you can't do it on the phone without [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► changing your phone's name to kc Lissa's [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► iphone yeah so be aware of your why your [TS]

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00:08:28 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► so we got a series of tweets from adam [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► Russell and I thought these are really [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► interesting and i'll just read them as [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► one contiguous block the answer to the [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► mac product progress quandary from jon [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► is simple the mac is obviously not the [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► future but you are all legitimate Lee [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► frustrated because the mac is being [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► functionally deprecated faster than the [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► iphone and ipad are being empowered [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► continuing to argue beyond that right [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► now is pointless we just need to wait [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► and see what Apple's does next [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► I thought that was a very interesting [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► summary and in by and large I agree with [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► that I I don't know if the mac is dead [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► or not we don't need to across the [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► spreadsheet 95th time at least not yet [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► anyway but I i do agree that while [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► incredible strides are being made on [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► iphone and ipad in iOS in general i [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► guess i should say it seems like there's [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► there's more going missing from mac OS [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► or just feels that way maybe that's not [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► even true [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► you know maybe if we looked at the the [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► featureless maybe we were crazy but it [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► certainly feels that way and so I just [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► thought this was a really interesting [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► point any thoughts from you Marco [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► I mean what they just I don't want to [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► get too far in the weeds on this because [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► we you know we could talk forever about [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► this because we have and usually do what [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► i do i've had for a future episode that [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► we should do after we've had a little [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► more time to think about it is like what [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► big things are still possible to do and [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► left to do on the desktop that like [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► what-what big challenges aren't being [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► solved that like you know major major [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► new directions or advancements that [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► desktop OS is still could use and spend [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► in particular mac OS still could use and [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► like there's some low-hanging fruit here [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► like obviously like the one of them i [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► mentioned before was cellular max and [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► the reason why there's no cellular max [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► is probably because of the you know that [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► all the different software needs that [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► would need for that right now you can [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► use things like trip mode Dutch to kind [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► of take it [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► sorry trip MoDOT helvetica but it would [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► be so much better [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► there was os-level awareness of cellular [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► connections which by actually there is [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► but if more things actually used to [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► hitting in it with it with the switch to [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► nsurl session that actually was added in [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► the API but nothing uses it at least any [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► meaningful amount on OS 10 [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► excuse me on Mac OS X are Stephen and [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► and so like they're like they're like [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► yeah you know what cellular max would be [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► awesome but why why don't we have that [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► oh well take a lot of work in the US [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► there's a lot of answers like that where [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► the where the question is like why don't [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► we have that all it would take to work [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► on the u.s. wire mac app so much harder [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► to develop for iOS programmers and iOS [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► apps [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► well some of those reasons are good [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► reasons that will see the forever but [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► part of it is that application UI kit [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► are very different and in a lot of ways [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► that that is that they will need to be [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► different [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► some ways they need to be different but [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► a lot of ways they don't and they are [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► for like legacy reasons and and select [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► there's their major advancement could be [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► made in the frameworks we could talk [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► about things like the security model i [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► have of you know like what they tried to [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► do the sandboxing which has mostly [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► failed you mostly I think because not [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► enough apps could fit within what the [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► sandbox requirements were and they never [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► really added new sandbox capabilities [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► but I think with attention and [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► maintenance and adoration I think that [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► model actually could work i think the [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► assumption that like desktop os's are [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► you know quote the past or finished and [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► are you know functionally complete and [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► there's no more advancement we had I [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► think that's totally wrong and you can [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► look at Microsoft just to see like even [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► though Microsoft messes up a lot of [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► things they try a lot of things they [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► tried don't work out but a lot of things [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► they try are actually you could see like [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► wow you know what if Apple tried to do [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► something similar and did a better job [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► of it that could be really great and so [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► I it not to mention not even getting [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► into things like AR and VR which might [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► be really useful in a general-purpose [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► PCOS we don't know yet [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► so there are lots of areas where PCOS [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► development could go with effort so to [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► say that the mac OS is done or finished [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► or pcs are solved problem we can move on [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► is I think incredibly short-sighted i [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► was looking at these tweets and I think [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► I disagree with every single sentence in [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► it really matter that there is a three [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► weeks it mostly in like technical ways [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► like if you want to get picky the way [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► you you know but yeah I really talked [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► about a lot in the past shows but [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► everything I just start with the last [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► first lessons I want to go through a [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► blow [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► but you know the answer to the the mac [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► progress quandary you know it's simple i [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► don't first let me know what you want to [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► talk about second of all the answer is [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► never simple right and like the lesson [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► skipping over all the stuff the lessons [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► continuing to argue beyond read the [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► beyond that right now is pointless mom [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► obviously i disagree with that was [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► probably won't talk about it for hours [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► and hours every week so anyway I think [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► I've got all these these points but [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► guess that we iive guess I agree that we [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► are legitimately frustrated that's the [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► part I agree [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► Wow [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► well tough crowd I thought it was [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► interesting if nothing else [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► alright any other follow-up before we [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► talk about something that's awesome [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► I'm follow up on the macbook pro the [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► more years of the more like it [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► the port still drive me nuts but the [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► airport sir me nuts and and the keyboard [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► arrow key lack of gaps drive me nuts but [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► so far everything else about actually [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► enjoying I've been running some tests [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► and I'm I've been finding this might be [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► going to blog post some point I don't [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► know but I'm running on battery test [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► because consumer reports i figure if [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► their waiter test council you know maybe [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► I can make my own and and so I made my [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► own kind of similar one but it that [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► involves a little bit heavier workload [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► things like like like periodic xcode [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► compilations to you know periodically [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► pegged the cpu is for a few seconds and [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► then go back to normal and kind of [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► simulate what I do and what I'm finding [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► so far is that the new ones battery life [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► is really mediocre but so was the old [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► one like I wrote this post a couple [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► years ago about disabling turbo boost [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► and and the the effect that has on [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► battery life on the previous generation [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► macbook pro it had a pretty noticeable [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► effect added something like twenty [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► percent battery life roughly and a [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► pretty pretty big effect what I'm [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► finding with the new one is by disabled [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► interest it does work you can do it but [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► the savings are much smaller that there [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► is some serious we have but instead of [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► adding an hour it's a tad like 20 [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► minutes or a half hour or whatever it [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► and of course is about this depend on [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► what you do but this one finding is that [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► the new ones battery life while it does [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► suck i don't think it's actually worse [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► than the previous one I think it's [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► actually [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► very slightly better under load but very [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► slightly worse when used lightly so it [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► depends on what you're doing but for my [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► uses that the battery from the new one [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► is actually very slightly better if you [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► really baby it if you turn off turbo [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► boost if you turn off the GPU uses and [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► various things like you can get it to be [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► so anyway i'm kinda I'm kind of enjoying [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► the the new macbook pro and it does feel [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► awesome like when you have to move it [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► around and pick it up and stuff it is [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► noticeably better so kind of enjoying [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► that in the more you use it the more [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► like it and the more I realize like okay [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► intel really screwed them on on progress [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► here but this is not that bad and then [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► in some ways in many ways and possibly [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► even most ways it's better than the old [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► one still coming around on the keyboard [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► i still hate the key switches but the [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► but it but I still feel when i use the [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► old one that it's mushy and horrible so [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► it's again it's like I'm like I'm in [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► then I'm in the middle now like I I [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► think it's more of an issue of the of [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► the the reduced gaps between the keys [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► and of the arrow key layout then [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► necessarily the key travel and when I [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► tried it briefly in the store and I and [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► I can't emphasize enough was super [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► briefly I felt like it was eighty [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► percent of my freaking beloved magic [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► keyboard I I sure have talked about this [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► 18 times on the show but I'll say it one [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► more time i love the magic keyboard it's [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► my favorite keyboard have ever used ever [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► i personally am NOT a mechanical [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► keyboard kind of guy [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► maybe you are that's fine it's not my [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► cup of tea [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► I love the match keyboard and I felt [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► like the the new macbook pro keyboard [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► got me really close but I wanted just a [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► little bit more travel on the keys and [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► then it would have been like just [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► perfect so I i I'm a little surprised if [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► you say that that the key travel doesn't [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► really bother you [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► it's not good but it is no longer the [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► thing about the keyboard that bothers me [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► like the the change in layout you know [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► eat certain things are just things you [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► get used to [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► yeah but certain things are actually [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► just like worse over time and I think [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► one of the things that really negatively [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► affects me about this keyboard that one [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► of the problems keeping [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► thing is just the lack of of like dead [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► space around the keys to feel as I as [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► i'm figuring out by using it turns out I [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► did that a lot like feel around the dead [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► space around the keys to kind of orient [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► myself physically without looking and [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► especially around the arrow keys so to [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► not have to have now the like shrunk [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► down little little tiny margin between [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► the keys now the keys are now much [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► bigger flattered and the end because the [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► reduce travel like the edges are [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► actually less less noticeable by feel [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► and everything else too so it's a [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► hardware keyboard to type on blindly for [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► me like i have to lie I make a lot more [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► mistakes but even even now that i'm like [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► more custom to the feel of it i'm making [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► a lot more mistakes with that involve my [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► hands not being oriented correctly on [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► the keys where I thought they were so I [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► that part i still don't love I still [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► think this is a bad keyboard but it's [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► only because the bar is pretty high [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► because for a long time Apple has made [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► laptop keyboards that I would never [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► describe them as great because they [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► still had laptops in Turkey switches [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► which are always a compromise right but [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► overall apples laptop keyboards i have [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► never get I haven't given them any [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► thought whatsoever ever until the [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► macbook one came out and now now that [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► keyboards on there are close enough to [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► that keyboard is on all the new ones all [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► previous Apple laptops have had before [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► this and I've had one of every [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► generation since the powerbook g3 [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► aluminum sorry for aluminum sorry [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► Stephen again even having a problem that [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► I bet with me but anyway yes since the [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► g4 aluminum powerbook that every [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► keyboard since then I've had no problems [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► with and I've enjoyed using it's been [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► great and fine and this is this this is [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► the very first time where they've made [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► like a to me a very controversial [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► keyboard and so anyway all that is to [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► say overall like it the new giant [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► trackpad I really do love i love that [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► since the beginning i have not had the [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► issues that people have had with with [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► the accidental input with your wrist [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► resting on it otherwise yeah overall [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► good computer the SSD speed increases [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► very very nice the GPU speed increase [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► might be affecting me I don't even know [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► probably not but anyway overall good [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► computer i wish the battery last longer [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► in heavy use but it turns out it [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► actually is no worse than the last one [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► heavy use [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► did you say you love the trackpad yeah I [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► do well since I so I love the the [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► largeness of it I do not love for stocks [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► I Air Force click whatever the whatever [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► the calling that feature on yeah that's [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► what you did to me you just mean [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► clicking like clicking in general we're [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► talking about you're not talking about [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► force like when you press really hard [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► like you know what you are what you are [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► by clicking because your complaint has [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► been like I don't like the the trackpad [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► that don't actually move in you got you [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► skip and done two shows you've been [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► reading about this is this entirely [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► because you're in tap to click was in [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► school with Harry yes if I actually have [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► to invoke a real like a real like normal [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► click by pushing you know forcefully or [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► by pushing someone hard and trackpad I [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► hate those clicks they're terrible and [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► the fact that everyone thinks they're [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► just as good or ok baffles me I have no [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► idea why anybody would think that's a [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► good click but I switched at a Catholic [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► mode and it's fine [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► any other follow it but i guess the I [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► keep the relevant if you want your [TS]

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00:20:36 ◼   ► best website builder i have ever seen in [TS]

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00:20:41 ◼   ► so ridiculously powerful yet also so [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► incredibly easy to use and it scales [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► well from novices who don't want to put [TS]

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00:20:51 ◼   ► skills to code their way through the [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► customizations all the way up to nerds [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► like me who can code if we want to but [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► either you but usually don't don't have [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► the time to or we probably shouldn't be [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► spending our time doing that but you [TS]

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00:22:18 ◼   ► consumer reports went into a safari [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► debug area and said hey guess what [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► uh we are going to turn off the cash [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► which ok i guess that kind of makes [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► sense because you want to make sure that [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► it's not just cruising along and and [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► just regurgitating the same stuff it has [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► over and over and over again [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► okay fine but nevertheless it's still [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► not a completely fair test and so they [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► spoke with apple and apples like well [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► you guys probably should have done this [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► most users won't have done that maybe [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► some developers do i can't say that i [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► usually do but also on top of that there [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► was some sort of issue that I've heard [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► was related to favicon fav icon whatever [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► they're called but I don't know if that [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► was ever confirmed or not and so there [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► was a legitimate bug here in addition to [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► them just meddling about so I don't [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► think they're really meddling because [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► the whole point of battery test is to [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► simulate real user activity that we [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► should put a link in the show notes for [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► Jason Stiles article he went over all [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► the stuff and having done some battery [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► testing myself I can relate to this [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► you can't actually human beings do your [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► testing because it to variable but to [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► try to simulate human activity is [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► actually very difficult these humans are [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► inscrutable but you needed to be exactly [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► the same every single time and you also [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► want to be comfortable from year to year [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► model to model and what they're doing [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► with the caches I mean it could be [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► argued that they should get thousands [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► upon thousands of unique web sites that [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► need to load but then you have to worry [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► about the variability of those websites [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► being up and then changing and so on and [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► so forth so instead they have [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► probably a small set of URLs a cycle [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► through and they wanted to load from the [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► network each time they don't want it to [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► be a test of how well it can read from [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► the cash right so they want to exercise [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► the Wi-Fi and all the other things like [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► in the end it's all a vague [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► approximation of what an actual person [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► might do with the computer and it's [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► probably not particularly scientific in [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► terms of like we let it but you know a [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► hundred users using a computer and put [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► metrics on every single input and output [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► and said how many bytes over Wi-Fi on [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► what intervals with what burst and what [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► seems like they don't do that and then [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► try to find artificial workload that [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► exactly matches it maybe Apple does that [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► but Consumer Reports doesn't like it's [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► all kind of guesswork but in the end it [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► doesn't really matter because I think [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► like Marco said in his thing like the [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► numbers they give you for like X amount [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► of hours that only applies to their [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► tests and even if it was done by a human [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► you're not that human you might do [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► different things with your computer all [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► you're looking for is is it better or [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► worse than the last laptop is it you [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► know you're looking four big swings like [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► we have it a light web browsing test and [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► like an intensive test and what is the [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► difference between them and is the light [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► test like two hours less time than last [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► year or more time with you know it's all [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► to do so i'm disabling the cash to say [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► we really want to test fetching this [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► information over the network every [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► single time so don't even bother looking [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► your disk cache I think it's a perfectly [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► valid thing to do and furthermore that [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► wouldn't explain their widely variable [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► results written like from 19 hours to [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► like three hours or something [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► disable the cash that except as the [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► story goes that disabling the cash also [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► triggered some other weird sorry bug [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► that I haven't seen a technical [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► explanation for but anyway I Apple [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► identify this bug they're going to fix [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► the bug report says I think they have a [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► beta build that fixes the bug and lo and [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► behold they get same testing results [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► marco was cranky about this he wrote a [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► blog post saying how the real story is [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► that this was an apple bug but apple's [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► press release about it tries to deflect [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► blame insights it Consumer Reports doing [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► a weird thing and Consumer Reports was [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► only doing a weird thing and so far as [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► artificial battery testing is a weird [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► thing I think everything is very force [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► was doing was reasonable what pretty if [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► you want to yell consumer reports about [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► something would be like it's pretty [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► clear some reports that you've [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► identified above [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► like you are not privy to some secret [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► information and no other person was this [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► laptop has figured out like everyone [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► else is getting anywhere from 19 23 [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► hours but they're not say anything but [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► you can some reports that I've revealed [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► this amazing secret so go ahead and [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► publish your story and say we can't [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► recommend these laptops because we're [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► getting crazy results out of the out of [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► our battery test that's a sign consumer [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► reports it's not time for you to publish [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► yet it's not you to figure out what the [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► hell's going on because if the entire [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► world was getting three hours to 19 [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► hours you would have heard about it so [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► that's why would you consider reports [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► about but instead Apple was like oh [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► they're using a special developer [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► setting the most people don't use is not [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► reflective a real-world use well no crap [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► is not reflected real reviews they have [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► to make an artificial benchmarked and [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► it's probably the same thing they've [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► been doing to mac laptops for years [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► anyway I'm going to work that out but [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► apple market in like their tone i [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► generally didn't like the the idea that [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► consumer reports doing something wrong [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► with their testing but I also didn't [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► like the idea of consumer board decided [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► to go ahead and publish before that [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► actually figured out what the hell was [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► going on even though they were pretty [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► close to figuring out like they waited [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► an extra week anyway there's enough [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► blame to go around here but the bottom [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► line is that the laptop's battery life [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► is pretty much what everyone has been [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► saying about it which is not fantastic [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► better than the previous ones worse in [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► some situations potentially better than [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► others if you learn how to do all the [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► magic things and marcos doing to it but [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► certainly not all you're going to three [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► hours now whereas be or possibly 19 it's [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► not that variable that that was a that [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► was a bug [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► well but again like i have seen the like [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► in in light usage so far from what i can [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► tell it actually is a step back for a [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► lot of depend on what your usage is what [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► it includes what apps you're using you [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► know what their needs are [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► I I think Consumer Reports was right to [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► point out the battery life on this [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► laptop is weird because it is like and [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► that's what you see that from users from [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► actual owners of it you're seeing like [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► yet the battery life on this life is [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► weird because what we're seeing is [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► everything is so incredibly aggressively [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► power managed to the last drop [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► if any factor takes more power than it [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► should have been you think it is or if [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► you have anything running away in the [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► background or turning on the discrete [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► GPU or burning cpu core for a while [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► if anything is not perfect your battery [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► life can be dramatically reduced like by [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► on the order of hours less than what you [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► thought of what you usually get that is [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► a real problem and you know in consumer [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► reports case it was because of seemingly [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► the Safari bug which you know you can [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► figure out like you know if it's if it's [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► a bug that only shows up when the cash [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► is disabled and it seems apparently by [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► some other statements related to so far [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► as caching of of icons and that makes a [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► lot of sense it's almost certainly like [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► the Apple touch icon or fabric on [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► infinite loop of fetching those things [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► because I think that doesn't have them [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► because they aren't in the cache music a [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► disabled so it's like it's probably that [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► you can you can any web programmer can [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► figure out okay that's probably what the [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► bug or the bug is probably in that area [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► but it doesn't really matter if that's [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► what it was [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► why would like I don't think what [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► consumers particularly revealing is what [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► you're talking about the variability [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► between you know idle and regular power [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► because as far as i understand from [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► reading the consumer reports thing they [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► were running the same battery test and [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► from one execution of that same test to [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► the next getting one time they get three [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► and a half hours one time they get 19 [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► the same test not people like users like [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► one day using Xcode the other day you're [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► browsing the web of course your your [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► results are going to vary and [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► potentially they could vary as much as [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► you said like if you spend the entire [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► time you know playing a game or doing [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► renders in a you know multi-core like [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► ray tracing program like you could get [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► three hours and you could get 19 just [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► text editing with everything turned off [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► right but Consumer Reports like we're [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► running the same battery test and we're [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► getting these widely variable results [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► and that I think is not eliminating in [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► the way that you are describing like it [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► to to inform consumers that the you know [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► that depending on your activity the [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► battery life can be variable it's almost [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► like they were saying the thing is [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► broken and unpredictable but if you buy [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► this laptop you never know what you're [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► gonna get [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► which is not the case but that's true no [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► that's actually like that's a real thing [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► and in this in this case like you know [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► it would this be the first time an apple [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► bug caused a process to go a little bit [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► crazy [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► no I don't know about it but it's a [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► related to a bug i mean that's true of [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► any laptop you have any laptop that has [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► some process grinding through an [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► infinite loop in the background [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► transparent about little slaughter your [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► battery life I mean like maybe they made [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► the fans too quiet so you don't have any [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► external indication remember when you [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► I used to listen to your computer to [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► tell how they were doing it here the [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► floppy drive going to know what's going [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► on later you hear the hard drive going [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► to be able to figure out is the thing in [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► the loop is it frozen it sounds like you [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► need more ram is it swapping is [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► something going wrong [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► we've got we're looking at dr lights [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► blinking and stuff of that we slowly [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► lost most of these physical [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► manifestations of the composite the [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► computer all we have left is that is [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► left on laptops and in particular on the [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► Apple I'm that terrible fan noise and [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► now even that is tamp down or do you [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► feel like when your phone gets hot [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► likewise my phone so high i don't think [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► i'm doing again or our laptops get hot [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► for that really you know but anyway I'd [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► like and it is true the performance is [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► variable but their battery test giving [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► these results in the same we just can't [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► recommend this because we just we can't [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► get a bead on the battery life that that [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► was not that was not a useful or [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► accurate statement where they should [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► have said is we think reveal the bug and [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► then you could have spun out into a [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► larger story about variability between [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► idol and whatever power and demonstrated [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► that by saying here we played some game [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► for this amount of time look what it did [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► to the battery life in here we just tool [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► around text editor like i don't i'm not [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► a fan [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► I'm for example i'm not a fan of [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► consumer reports who used cars because i [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► think they don't understand what makes a [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► good car and in general I haven't been a [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► fan of consumer reports reviews of [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► computers because they're especially [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► when it comes to apple they're prone to [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► go to press with something that sounds [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► sensational rather than working on until [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► we figure out what the hell's going on [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► because figure out what the hell's going [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► on [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► you still have a story there that you [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► can explain but it's like going to press [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► and saying we can't recommend these [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► laptops that is you know from coming [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► from us to show that has complained [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► about these laptops a lot that is too [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► far [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► it's not as if this is a broken product [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► that no one should buy like maybe [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► doesn't suit your needs or whatever them [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► to say we just can't recommend this [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► laptop that's that's not responsible [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► thing to publish given the fact that we [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► know so far [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► well and to be fair though they actually [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► did contact apple beforehand Apple even [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► some kind of like you know canned [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► response but it sounded like basically [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► it's just like you know basically a non [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► response from PR so they did first [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► contact apple to ask about this i know [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► about that that's still still on them to [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► figure out what's going to make a to [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► make the recommendation that's their job [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► as a publication and like to backslide [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► three days later when Apple [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► works them some more and find out the [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► bugs like well I don't I has been [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► playing a chat room like it can you [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► imagine a non-tech going through the [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► same thing and publishing thats it that [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► they figure out what was going on that's [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► why there are more trusted source for [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► how good computers are probably yes but [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► I have a hard time looking at this I [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► mean look consumer reports we we all [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► know that they're not perfect and that [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► they are prone to like click baby [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► headline sensationalism [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► however what they saw was a real problem [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► and it was not their problem and they [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► asked Apple about Apple here the [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► non-response so what we're supposed to [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► do these days sometimes it takes a [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► little bit of of pushing for apple from [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► the outside to get things fixed i think [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► it's on them though to realize that like [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► if they haven't heard this from anyone [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► else maybe it has something to do with [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► the fact that they are that they're [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► testing and under conditions that you [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► have to test under the testing our [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► official test edition which I said [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► aren't bad but they have to realize that [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► maybe what we're encountering because we [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► haven't heard anyone else have this [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► problem is because of something that we [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► have that we have to do is part of our [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► uniform testing procedure right for [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► example the way you can figure this out [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► is take your laptop that you're [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► supposedly testing and give it to one of [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► your staffers and have them take it home [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► with them at night and use it as their [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► regular work laptop and say when you use [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► it like a normal person does seem okay [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► to you that's a non-scientific test but [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► it can definitely tell you whether like [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► I you yesterday and I got this battery [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► life and use the next day to pretty much [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► the same stuff and got like 18 of that [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► and if they say no or it it's much more [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► consistent user like that will like make [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► an era Dawn's us maybe it's because [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► we're disabled in cash now greater [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► that's that's a little bit of debugging [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► there to understand that maybe you know [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► what are you doing to cause this problem [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► and removing variables and stuff like [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► that but if you're gonna come out as a [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► publication say we just can't recommend [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► that you know like they're like can't [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► recommend this laptop like you should [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► not buy this product that is going too [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► far for something that you know consumer [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► reports would agree if they guess it [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► does not manifest normal usage in the [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► way they saw that if you do pretty much [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► the same thing with it that you get when [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► you get that much variability in very [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► life because again if that was true [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► every single the publication review [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► these laptops would say i do pretty much [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► the same thing and sometimes I get you [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► know 6x the battery life [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► that I do other times and I can't figure [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► out why I i partly agree with you i [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► agree with some of the things you're [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► saying but basically I didn't think [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► we're having is like whether Consumer [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► Reports was reasonable to say what they [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► said when they should have done more [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► more work and testing or investigation [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► whatever and I think I don't think they [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► were perfect about it but I think that [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► given what they were seeing I think they [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► were mostly reasonable to say what they [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► said at that time and now they have new [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► information they said they are going to [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► retest it and that's great because you [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► know it would be one thing like if you [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► know if Apple eventually went to them [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► and figure this out and report said well [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► know our test is done sorry too late to [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► try again in 18 months when you release [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► a new one [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► you know that would be kind of a bad [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► move on their part but like in this [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► situation they were in with the very [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► little information they had and with a [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► non response from Apple when they asked [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► him about it i don't think it was that a [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► reasonable to publish what they did when [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► they did I would again I would make a [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► few edits but for the most part i think [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► it was in the ballpark now they have new [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► information now they're retesting i [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► think that is very reasonable [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► I end and I think you know the the [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► problem i had about this was you know [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► basically apples PR framing weight of [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► their official statement it really like [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► who at Apple's tone is really bitter [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► almost recently like the statement about [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► about about the dash developer Don [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► professor sorry if I mispronounced that [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► I their statement about that situation [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► was also really a little bit defensive [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► and weird and as more fact came out from [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► from both sides i think it became a [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► little bit clearer like that Satan was a [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► little bit too aggressive and bitter and [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► a little unnecessarily so there's [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► something up like one Apple gives a [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► defensive statement like that I I think [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► you can use some little more editing [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► them when it's getting before it comes [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► out because it's like if you want to [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► like write a nasty email like wait till [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► next morning to send it like I think [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► happens to do it all with with its a [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► defensive PR statement here because they [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► come out with this with this very overly [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► defensive attitude that's that's [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► honestly slightly BSE in in certain ways [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► i think they kind of BS around certain [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► certain facts of of the of the matter [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► whatever and it does not reflect well on [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► them you know they're usually a [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► the a trustworthy straightforward [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► company with clear communication and so [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► to to have these little defensive PR [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► statements where that's not the case is [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► just off putting a little bit concerning [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► for a company that we respect so much [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► agree that they are statements bad but i [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► still think it's a report what they [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► should have published was we're not we [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► can't tell what's going on because i was [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► the truth they did not know what was [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► going on and they should they should [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► have said is when normal people use this [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► we don't see this kind of variability [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► but in our battery test we get this [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► variability we can't explain that if [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► they want to say therefore we can't [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► recommend this [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► that's a matter of semantics like I [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► guess they can't recommend it [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► technically because if they don't get [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► results on their artificial test that's [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► their criteria recommendation that we [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► can't recommend it but the way was [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► written up it was almost there are [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► recommending against it seemed [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► conclusive there wasn't much of saying [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► look we were stumped [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► we can't figure this out something here [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► is going on that we obviously don't [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► understand i think the piece of [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► information was missing is that you know [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► we are not privy to special information [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► the rest of the world doesn't have the [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► rest of the world is using these laptops [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► other publications are testing them [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► other people owned them [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► this is the thing that only we are [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► seeing and that was you know if you were [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► to read this and and that was your [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► source your authoritative source you [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► would say well these these uh laptops [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► obviously haunted which is not the case [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► it was just like that because the report [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► was doing a thing that induce the bug [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► and the bug is a problem and you're [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► right there can be other kinds of bugs [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► but i don't know i just it just rubs me [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► the wrong way and you're right there is [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► some history there with consumer reports [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► doing similar types of things and in [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► general I don't like consumer reports [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► for it I guess at this point the advent [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► of the wire cutter I don't like it to [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► reports for almost anything anymore so [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► maybe maybe a little bit of my general [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► attitude about them is showing through [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► but like I said I didn't like the PR [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► statement for all the reasons you noted [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► like them framing is the consumer [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► resources doing a terrible thing that is [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► the wrong framing when the reality was [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► there was an apple bug should lead with [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► that like there was a bug [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► we fixed it Consumer Reports retesting [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► that's such an easy PR with you like if [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► we read that statement we go to be like [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► all right well that explains it thanks [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► Apple we all understand the bugs exist [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► but instead that led with consumer [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► reports doing a weird thing it's not [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► that weird anyway now mad at everybody [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► like they definitely think they couldn't [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► just say you know we discovered that the [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► the problems they were having was due to [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► a bug where we fixed it and everything [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► like that would be the the direct honest [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► way instead they had to drill in that [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► consumer reports his test was somehow [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► invalid or relevant a hidden feature [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► it's a checkbox in the press one yeah [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► looks like though they're like implying [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► intent and possible malice that consumer [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► reports with you know using this hidden [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► feature their medical reports to yeah [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► and it's it is it's like Apple couldn't [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► give a statement without showing how mad [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► they were about it and and that's that's [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► that's again it's becoming more common [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► with their defensive statements here and [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► I don't think that's that's a a [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► professional way to conduct yourselves [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► in the context of of PR like that's [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► that's what PR is not supposed to do [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► like it i don't see it's it's just it [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► leaves a sour taste in my mouth is all [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► on the flip side of the coin know you [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► could make the argument to kind of take [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► John's point to the next level [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► it was irresponsible and pyaari in a bad [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► way for for consumer reports to to say [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► oh we can't recommend that the batteries [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► crap you know it's the the direct report [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► like John said should have been well [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► we're not really sure what's going on [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► nobody else in the world seems to be [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► getting similar results so also either [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► don't publish anything or alternatively [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► you know right now we're saying no but [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► we got to get back to it whereas it [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► seems like it was from what I gather it [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► was it was a little bit more aggressive [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► than that like I don't think there was [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► malice there but the same way Marco that [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► you're reading all this like malice and [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► and and propaganda in the Apple response [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► which I think there's treats to that or [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► at least it appears to be true from my [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► point of view you can take that exact [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► same approach to looking at the Consumer [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► Reports statement which was in many ways [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► also irresponsible and also premature [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► and also pyaari and also just not good [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► consumer important maybe it's because my [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► standards are so low for consumer [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► reports because like John i have lost a [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► lot of faith in them over the years [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► yeah so maybe I'm grading on a curve [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► here but even if consumer reports did [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► something outrageous i don't think that [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► makes apples tone of their response ok [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► like that it like Apple should be the [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► bigger person here see agree exactly the [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► same are [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► unit was was made by a few people i [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► think including man Reese with with both [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► on professor about about dash like [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► apples to apples apple and you know [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► they're making these statements against [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► this one indie developer and this this [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► magazine / website that is that has cut [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► staff to the bone in recent years and is [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► like barely afloat like and their apple [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► right they are they are like Goliath [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► here like they don't I i'm sorry mrs. [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► Messick metaphor i know that's kind of [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► how the story goes but Apple does not [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► the Apple can afford to be the bigger [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► person here with their statements and to [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► not kind of play the bully almost and [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► and what that the tone they takin these [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► statements is like we're not going to [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► tell you what happened [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► we are going to discredit the people who [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► are making these accusations against us [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► first we're gonna make that we're gonna [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► drag them through member to make them [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► look like they were bad and in and [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► malicious and at fault and doing crazy [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► about things when actually it was our [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► problem [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► alright let's move on I on the Swift [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► evolution email list which the who knew [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► that email list were still think this is [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► like straight out in 98 anyway they r [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► for language nerds they are there is a [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► post from chris lattner that that the [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► title is update on the Swift product [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► project lead and there's a little bit [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► preamble and the meat of it is right [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► about that before you start reading the [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► the subject line of that email [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► having worked in corporate America for a [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► long time here we all know it slowly on [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► the subject subject line you can tell [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► what kind of news is going to be your [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► email but having seen enough emails that [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► euphemistically express personnel [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► changes or other bad news about the [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► company [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► yeah the best one is when the subject [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► line is somebody's name like the subject [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► line is from someone else in the company [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► and the name is like it is just be like [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► the employee's name sorry [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► either they died or they got fired but [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► that's one of the one of those two [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► things happened here for updates on [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► update on is another rainy a euphemism [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► is what happened yeah and by the way the [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► language used when somebody dies first [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► getting fired is pretty close yeah let's [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► not go there [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► ok not to say wrong but let's not go [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► so update on the switch project lead [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► from click chris lattner and walks when [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► he he is in a second but the meat of [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► this email or the is i'm happy to [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► announce that Ted criminal is that how [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► you pronounce it [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► do you guys know let's go with it okay [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► I'm happy 28th king of pronunciation [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► seriously that Ted chronic will be [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► taking over for me as quote Project Lead [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► quote for the Swiss project managing the [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► administrative leadership responsibility [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► for swift org this recognizes the [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► incredible effort that he has already [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► been putting into the project and [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► reflects the decision of made to leave [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► Apple later this month to pursue an [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► opportunity in another space way to bury [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► lead Chris yeah his decision wasn't made [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► lightly and I want you all to know that [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► I'm still completely committed to Swift [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► i plan to remain an active member of the [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► switch core team as well as a [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► contributor to the Swift evolution [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► mailing list and then there's some very [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► nice [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► no comments about working at apple blah [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► blah everything will be okay this guy's [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► following blah blah [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► that was about noonish our time [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► yesterday followed a few hours later [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► with a blog post on Tesla com welcome [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► chris lattner we would like to welcome [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► chris lattner who will join Tesla's our [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► vice-president of of autopilot software [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► Christmas reputation for engineering [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► excellence as well known he comes to [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► testify after 11 years of Apple where he [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► was primarily responsible for creating [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► Swift the programming language for [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► building apps on Apple platforms and one [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► of the fastest-growing languages for [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► doing so on linux prior to apple [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► crystals lead author of the LLVM [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► compiler infrastructure and open-source [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► umbrella project that is widely used in [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► commercial products and academic [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► research today [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► whoa so let's back up smooch John you [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► want to tell secrets liners [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► well I think both of those statements [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► had to his various titles in there i had [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► actually look this up i think his title [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► upon departure from Apple was senior [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► director and architect developer tools [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► department that's a comma inside the [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► title such a long time but he was [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► basically in charge of all dev tools and [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► when he came on board Apple he was [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► lowered down but also doing compiler II [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► stuff he is responsible for getting [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► apple off bc and onto [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► a was first agc work like compiler based [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► on the LLVM compiler building tool kit [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► that he made billions that he started [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► before he came to apples probably based [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► in one of the reasons i hired I'm sure [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► and then eventually claim which is [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► replacement for GCC and of course with [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► programming language that we all know [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► and love and or are avoiding that and [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► you know so that that's gristle and sees [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► the it for in LA and sort of nerds to [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► follow Apple parlance but don't own [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► personnel he's the guy who was onstage [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► announcing Swift at WWDC that's that's [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► the dude so very important person apple [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► has had a very illustrious career [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► obviously the driving force between [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► behind many of the biggest changes [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► having to do with developer tools at [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► apple with with the platform on which [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► development is at this point of his his [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► final title like I think he was in [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► charge of all xcode not just like the [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► compiler to be better he started off [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► just doing a pile of stuff and moved all [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► the opportunities you know have all dev [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► tools so wide-ranging influence and [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► unquestionably Swift is the biggest [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► thing to happen to develop an apple [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► platforms in many many many years and so [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► he's leaving and he's going to Tesla and [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► the first thing that occurred to me [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► about this announcement was that it took [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► place the first place I saw it anyway [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► and i'm pretty sure the first place that [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► it appeared anywhere publicly was on the [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► Swift evolution mailing list which is a [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► public man with about the open-source [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► development of the Swift programming [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► language because Swift is open source [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► thanks to chris's efforts inside apple [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► and that's where he chose to announces [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► departure not on Twitter not an apple [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► press release not in any other channel [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► not on his blog but on the open-source [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► mailing list and any buried you know two [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► paragraphs down an email about a change [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► in and leadership the open-source [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► separate which i think in itself is a [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► statement about his dedication to open [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► source and his respect for the community [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► that the the funerals who are following [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► a mailing list of all things you can you [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► believe who people old people like me [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► still subscribe to me that's the land [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► and that he that he is telling not the [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► public at large and not a bunch of press [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► let's but the people who contribute to [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► the evolution of the Swift language so i [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► thought that made a statement and at the [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► time it the the announced he was leaving [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► I didn't know where I was going but as [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► Casey points that we didn't wait very [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► long only have an hour to later and the [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► mystery was solved [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► yes is this is a this is a big deal as [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► far as I'm concerned I mean it's hard to [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► say from an outsider's point of view how [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► much Chris was involved in what women [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► should even say that since since it is [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► open source but i personally don't keep [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► up with the day-to-day doings on the [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► Swift project and certainly since Apple [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► was kind enough and I mean that [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► genuinely I'm not trying to be snarky [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► apples kind enough to upload the entire [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► commit history for swift to get hub and [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► people went digging through the early [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► commits forget 344 Swift and it really [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► was latter's baby for like a year or [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► something like that and then gradually [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► and gradually gradually more and more [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► Apple engineers came on board but I mean [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► this is the language in which i write [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► code every weekday and this is in many [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► ways how I pay for the roof over my head [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► this very moment so I mean I personally [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► oh a great debt of gratitude to chris [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► lattner and I think Marco does as well [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► by virtue of xcode being under chris [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► lattner as well and LEM and I like a lot [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► of other stuff to it not just Swift you [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► know there were a lot of other things [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► that he'd like you know I don't use with [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► yet as everyone knows haha but like he [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► also did tons of stuff for the entire [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► rest of developers back including the [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► compiler and objective-c yeah yeah so [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► this certainly strikes me as a pretty [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► darn big deal it's a pretty big blow to [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► see somebody that important that high up [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► and from everything i've ever heard that [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► well light leave Apple and then it's [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► just turning the dark knight for the [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► firm to be going to Tesla that's not a [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► bad thing necessarily but I've got to [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► imagine that Apple's pretty sensitive to [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► these sorts of defections and [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► this one's gotta sting and he's not the [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► only one as people are pointing out [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► right now there have been several [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► relatively high profile though I don't [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► think as high-profile Apple departures [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► on on their way to Tesla so this is this [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► is kind of a bummer for apple for sure [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► and we have a link in the show notes for [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► Christina Warren's article where she [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► gathered this big list of recent [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► departures and the companies that [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► they're going to and you see a lot of [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► Tesla on that list i mean obviously this [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► is not a scientific sample the Apple we [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► have no idea what Apple's normal [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► turnover is and if this is more than [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► usual or whatever but high-profile was [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► like this like those are the ones that [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► we notice and it's a good occasion to [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► see like if people are leaving Apple [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► where they're going and it looks like [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► right now you know prompt more people [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► than perhaps people thought were leaving [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► Apple to go to Tesla which I guess would [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► seem weird if there hasn't been rumors [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► of an apple car related project for so [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► many years but now just like yeah that [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► kind of makes sense right i mean like [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► and it depends on the person to like you [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► know somebody like like latter I mean [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► this is you know he's obviously an [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► incredibly smart engineer and and that's [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► like understanding things right [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► also is apparently really good worker [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► but anyway you know really smart [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► engineers tend to eat to tend to two [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► things either they get a job at one [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► company and work there forever for their [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► entire career like a place like Google [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► or something like you know they they go [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► there and they stay forever this is [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► often what what more academic [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► programmers tend to like to do because [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► it that tends to enable them to be a [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► little bit more academically free in a [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► way and and to really get established [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► and to really not have to worry about [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► like the employment situation much and [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► just do great intellectual things and [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► then the other pattern usually c4 really [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► talented very smart people in [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► engineering at least they'll do one [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► thing for a couple years and then want [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► to do something else because they just [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► want to keep like attacking new crazy [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► interesting problems and once they have [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► kind of gotten something stable or [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► released or whatever they get antsy i [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► want to move something else that usually [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► you see those two extremes with very [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► smart engineers because you know we know [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► chris's is that level of [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► of talent it could have just been the [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► latter like it's hard to look at this [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► and and to really read anything into [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► this one person changing jobs and and [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► that's not to say the aggregate doesn't [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► maybe say something but it is one person [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► changing jobs to a different company [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► somebody who's that smart [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► it is not unheard of for them to to [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► change and he's been an apple for a long [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► time and so to change what it was 11 [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► years i forgot 11 so many that's right [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► it's a long and that's a lot for [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► somebody of that caliber it's a long [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► time so the fact that he goes left and [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► even though he would he left it [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► somewhere that's that's possibly like a [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► bit of a red flag that alone I don't [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► think his reason for concern now if you [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► look at that there's a couple of things [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► about this that are interesting and and [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► possibly concerning if you're looking at [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► apple one I think is the timing is a [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► little odd you know at the apple is at [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► this point it's barely even secret [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► anymore that Apple is working on a car [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► project and that they're devoting a lot [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► of resources to it you can look around [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► what that what they're doing in the rest [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► of the product lines and it seems like [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► they're having a hard time keeping up [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► with pretty much everything and they're [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► devoting a lot of resources to something [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► less than before though if the rumors [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► are to be believed because before they [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► were devoting way more resources when [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► they were supposedly making an actual [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► physical car and then supposedly rumor [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► says that they laid off a bunch of [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► people and said no we're not actually [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► making a physical car instead we're [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► making self-driving software for cars [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► well it sounds more like the answer was [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► we're not making a car yet [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► I i think that was the actual pills or [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► at least we're not making this car that [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► we have been working on anyway we're all [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► we've got is remembers example and say [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► anything about this but but the non [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► rumor thing is what what is crystalline [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► are going to do a Tesla vice president [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► of autopilot software so if Chris was [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► actually interested in working on [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► software for self-driving cars [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► obviously we know for a fact Tesla has a [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► department working on that and [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► supposedly Apple possibly maybe if you [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► believe the rumors also had a department [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► doing that so it's not even as if he had [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► to leave Apple to work on car things [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► maybe [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► but I that's that's that's why we're [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► saying it's like twisting the knife to [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► go to Tesla because it's I mean it's [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► it's kind of strange to to compare [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► rumors of what Apple supposedly doing [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► with the concrete reality but we know [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► Tesla is doing but in and techniques [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► circles and the fact that Apple the [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► Tesla and apple have this open door [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► policy apparently with their personnel [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► going in both directions and the slight [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► animosity about poaching each other's [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► employees the competition the [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► competition between Apple and tehsil [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► seems to be a real thing whether it's [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► founded on an actual overlap in product [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► efforts is gone [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► yeah that's the thing is that [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► irrespective of whether or not Apple is [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► working on a car or car related things [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► it seems pretty clear even from all the [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► way on the other coast that there is [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► increasing amounts of animosity between [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► the two companies about defections from [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► one to the other [TS]