The Talk Show

1: What If the Dolphins Had Thumbs, with John Moltz

 

  so John mother's day there's no better

  way to spend Mother's Day than watching

  baseball games on TV I was we really

  were really going to start off with

  baseball

  well I i just have to because it was a

  day game Yankees are playing and famed

  Yankees superstar Andy Pettit after a

  year in retirement is back on the mound

  for the first time since since 2010 and

  pitching in Yankee Stadium and that TV

  announcers i'm watching of course the

  Yankees telecast and they their their

  poll of the day I don't know if every

  other team does this but they always

  have i got a text message pole of the

  day we're there you know they ready like

  four choices in your text message

  different numbers to cast your vote was

  Andy Pettitte signature moment of his

  career and the winner was the 1996 world

  series game against the Atlanta Braves

  where he did the yankees won that game

  one nothing any outdoor world

  Braves Hall of Fame pitcher John Smoltz

  so now you see where I'm going with this

  I now I series and I'm explaining it to

  Jonas and Jonas was like well tell me

  all about it what what whoo

  and I say he said who's John Smoltz and

  all of a sudden Amy walks in and she's

  like you've got to be kidding me that's

  made up right and I'm like no he was

  that he was an all-star he was a great

  picture she's like John Smoltz really

  i'm sure and then she just wandered off

  and she thought that you would like God

  got a hold of like the Yankees

  announcers and yeah I don't know what is

  she doing here generation hear the TV

  guys talking about she heard me

  explaining it to Jonas and thought that

  I was just you know making up names of

  baseball players basically into the 45

  actual friends I have in life

  that'd be neat i don't know why it never

  really occurred to me until that very

  moment when she came in and said that

  never really occurred to me just how

  similar your names are yeah i mean i

  think they're completely unrelated as

  far as i know

  remember the guy used to play it

  certainly made my skill of baseball

  would indicate that you remember the guy

  who used to play for the Kansas City

  Chiefs John scrubber is a kicker now

  you're making it was a kid he was a

  kicker it became a placekicker now you

  are though you're not John Smoltz you

  are John molt's i am the last time I

  checked which was earlier today so I'm

  John grouper is we have to say that i

  usually don't get the actually going to

  cause confusion i did the whole thing is

  very confusing i just told you you want

  me to I just don't we just spent 30

  minutes I spent 30 minutes trying to

  figure out how to make a skype call

  because I I'm always wondering if that

  was the problem really was i I mean I've

  had a lot of problems with skype I've

  always had a lot of problems with skype

  I everybody has problems good

  I when I try to use skype i am at the

  your grandfather with the with a new pc

  and I'm you know I don't know how I'm

  I'm talking into the mouse I it is to me

  the most baffling application I've ever

  seen in my life died

  nothing you can do with it ever it seems

  to be what you want it seems to me like

  once you have somebody's contact and if

  you double-click them it should be like

  either start a call or like hey you want

  to call this person

  nope not what happened

  I'm so afraid escape that I have not

  updated it and let's let's see

  so must have been since 2008 it looks

  like i'm running version 27 and I think

  it's well well beyond that but it's like

  it works and i know that other people

  have had trouble after they've updated

  it so I'm just like I'm not on until an

  adult stops working on i would recommend

  that you know my problem is I was doing

  that on another computer where I'd

  upgraded to whatever the new version is

  in it and it really they just made it

  worse

  did way worse but then I had got a new

  computer of a new air over here and I

  mean I guess I could dig up the old copy

  of skype somewhere but i think it says

  something that they still make the old

  give you google hard enough you can

  still find the download for it

  I know usually that's a pretty as a

  pretty bad sign

  I think right right if this you

  shouldn't need to be leaving that out

  there for people who write like it's one

  thing if you have an old version because

  your new version only works on operating

  system from last year and newer and hey

  if you're on an old operating system

  here is an old version and there's a

  technical limitation that that that

  would help people out by request you

  know keeping an old version available

  but when it when it really is people are

  so confused by the new version it right

  at the camera it calls they can actually

  use it to do what it's supposed to be

  going like at some point you just know

  though and you just know that there's a

  meeting where there's somebody who like

  raise their hand and and and they were

  like hey maybe instead of keeping the

  old version available what if we what if

  we can fix the new version so it wasn't

  confusing and that you know they got

  shot down and then right and they just

  went back and had like a dead a desk

  drink

  you've got a new website 23 is it still

  is it doing yeah well I long do we

  yeah I guess so I mean yeah I mean I

  guess in internet terms it's not that

  new anymore but it's new to me it's

  couple months old it's it's a very nice

  resident how much it literally literally

  and figuratively

  it's very nice website done now John

  Smoltz is very nice website

  yeah I was going to mention is looking

  for something that I link to the other

  day because it was relevant to what we

  were just talking about is that you can

  still run windows 8 on max that you

  cannot run lying on wow which i found an

  interesting i installed windows 8 I got

  the preview copy of windows 8 just for

  fun

  and put it on an old I had the first

  intel mac mini is of course solo and it

  won't take lion but it took Windows 8 is

  kind of weird

  yeah i've got i mean i think that some

  of that just has to do with their

  different markets i mean i think but

  also it's just they're different

  attitudes towards you know backwards

  compatibility right and it's you know

  it's the fact that Apple is

  fundamentally a computer maker not an

  operating company make right-right-right

  microsoft is interested in selling you

  the operating system if you've got all

  the hardware yeah we'd love to sell you

  the operating system but for example

  yeah I know we'd really rather you go on

  my new Mac I've gotta upcoming headache

  on my hands where I've got family

  members who've got lion max max running

  lion takes a lion or is it snow leopard

  not snow leopard gotta go back further

  right snow leopard I see this is the

  thing and add good old wool French used

  to complain about it endlessly that you

  keep it only remember like the two most

  recent cat names and how they correspond

  in otherwise it's like right i remember

  that there was one called tiger i I'd I

  don't remember what the hell it was

  whereas if you just stick that 10 4 10 5

  10 6 you know which one was newer and

  older anyway I think they're all on 10 5

  which is snow leopard yeah and so they

  can't do I cloud and they've got mac.com

  or me.com mobileme and and the the

  mobileme apocalypse is drawing nigh 10-5

  is leopard alright when a 60 snow

  leopard 10-7 is like you would you would

  think i would have this really is a very

  unprofessional

  now I it gets me all the times you and I

  recently and I noticed that was tight

  because i have a I mean it as you might

  suspect i have a a mess of Max in my

  office of varying ages and I mean the

  way that I remember that is i

  fortunately I have all the boxes from

  the different operating system releases

  in a row on my shelf but right now

  they're all they're all like strewn

  across the room because I've been

  updating it

  I got a new you know Tom Carmen of

  course I he he's moving to San Francisco

  he had a yard sale and I picked up a

  lime imac from him and so i had to find

  something that would run and run on that

  you and iron it's a sick it is it's a

  sick as I people say stuff to me people

  say people write to me like hey I was

  digging through my garage and I found it

  an old Apple extended keyboard it's a

  great condition and the ID my mind I

  think send it to me I had a guy couple

  weeks ago who told me that he but had a

  an sp30 in the box and the end that he

  goes I don't know what I was thinking

  he seems like he was like you know it's

  a couple years older than us but he

  bought it in like nineteen eighty-nine

  or 90 brand new and never opened it

  thinking that that when he retired he

  would he would use it as his you know he

  would keep it and then when he retired

  get into it that's why we got a B says

  don't laugh it made sense at the time I

  didn't wasn't really thinking about the

  fact that computers really you know

  change every few years the ice you know

  I mean like it like in a sense like

  think about the way lady what I think

  and I don't want to put words in the

  fellows mouth but i think that he was

  thinking about it in a way that maybe 50

  years prior and I might have thought you

  know what when I retire I want to try to

  room taking take a shot at writing a

  novel and and buying the typewriter 20

  years first just like a little reminder

  that hey you know I'm a retired 15 years

  and i'm going to what I'm gonna do and I

  retires write a novel and there's the

  murders my typewriter i'm going to keep

  in the box and every couple days I'm

  gonna look at it and think about what

  I'm going to do I think that's how we

  went in to help with the computer but

  then racing you know it he's got it yeah

  twenty-five-year-old SE thirties never

  opened up

  yeah but in the bottom right I'm not a

  hundred percent sure whether he's like

  never even like crack the cylinder or

  and still and then he was saying that

  you can any thought you know I gotta get

  rid of this day and used he thought he

  could sell it for what he bought it for

  in 1991 or whatever and any found out

  that no you can't know you see 30 is not

  worth of $5,000 yeah yeah i had my first

  mac was an SE with the not the 30 but

  with the double I know that your

  identity our identity harddrive heard of

  floppy drive and I said you know I sold

  it to buy the next one in dino but i

  still had you know like 10 years later

  or whatever it was i still had all of

  the the floppy discipline LOL digital

  games i thought i'd be kind of fun to

  try these

  so this was like 10 years ago now and

  got on ebay and you know machine that I

  paid two thousand dollars for i got it

  for a dollar

  listen we got the same got the same shot

  for a dollar and now it's here it's here

  in the in my office with a with a mac

  plus that a friend found on the side of

  the road and i'm using for shelving you

  i have my instincts are on the same way

  and i have to fight it

  yeah every step of the way I think of

  course I want the head set out what

  that's what that's what diantha diantha

  suspect that she had this conversation

  with Amy Jean she said because what i

  bought the imac from she said you just

  like group you know and I don't have it

  set up like and I don't have a tie i

  don't have as many as you do and I'm

  trying to fight the instinct to collect

  more but my instinct is always to say

  yes and if I i would do the same thing I

  I didn't even really care for the the

  the candy colored Mac era didn't really

  even here for that whole aesthetic but

  if i was in comedies house and he's

  having is a moving garage sale and

  there's a nice limonene imac my instinct

  would be well I'll take that

  yeah that i missed it i missed a 12 inch

  powerbook by like 10 minutes

  what about that till just kicking my I

  was kicking myself but I walked out over

  the line my Mac I've never had one of

  this this generation either i went

  straight from a performance 6400 illa

  the g4 power

  you know we are you and I worked where

  we know we rehearse this show very very

  sure to put a lot of effort into the

  rehearsal tonight preparation but while

  we were doing that one of the things we

  we talked about you talk about what site

  you used to write for I guess you

  haven't really officially shut it down

  but cars the crazy apple rumors have it

  yeah ah uu if you tell me about a pc i

  had to abandon about the what what how

  would you describe her

  the the mac that clip liquid I mean I i

  assume that she's clipart I mean that

  she was like a not actually a person who

  worked there in that connection what the

  mac connection had a log used to buy

  yeah i mean the way that we got all the

  information back then was you get these

  magazines you could macworld to get mac

  addict or whatever and in the back he

  opened up and they're all these ads for

  places like Matt connection at macmall

  that you know where we used by all

  that's all of our stuff for the rabble

  stores because you know that was chances

  are there was no place in town that you

  could buy anything from apple if you're

  certainly if you were someplace you know

  smaller town maybe you can go to a

  circuit city organic was a computer

  saying and go back at you know sandwich

  between the peripherals of the Damned

  there be your Mac section but at most

  everybody bought stuff from the back of

  these magazines and so there was ok so

  they always said some pretty girl who

  was supposedly the phone the phone the

  person that you would call it would be

  ready and willing to take your your

  order and so the piece was you know

  going to be about what she's doing now

  because this place is though I don't

  think they do the pills and the thing

  just the thing to remember is that mac

  connection was one of the bigger names

  number two number two it is really dates

  I mean this is me and you were getting

  into grandfather mode here but you have

  to remember there was no web yet i mean

  we're talking early night right

  very early night yeah nobody trusts me

  nobody bought anything I mean before

  amazon really this is before there even

  was a web though I mean or if there was

  it would certainly creampies get on it

  yeah some of it yeah yeah so if you

  wanted to buy a new modem you had to

  have like a magazine handy where you can

  call one of these 1-800 numbers and tell

  them which one wanted and and do it but

  the thing with matt connection is it was

  always the exact same photo of this

  woman

  it never changed they never picked a

  different woman they only had one

  picture of her which is certainly one of

  the reasons i always thought it was

  clipart to that they you know it wasn't

  like to have a series of photos yeah

  they were taking a new picture of her

  every year and once you ordered

  something from one of these companies

  are in another big one is macmall I mean

  I don't know these things they might

  even still be around i don't know but

  but once you order that macmall

  definitely you you would get on their

  list and then once a month it send you

  an updated catalogue and this actually

  was this wasn't like annoying i wish

  they'd stop this was actually helpful

  because then you would you know that

  there's like the only way you know what

  the new prices were for stuff right I

  and find out of a new product right i

  mean i was effectively the the app store

  and Amazon all rolled up in one because

  that's how you actually have to buy your

  apps at by it your apps in a box but

  Matt connection always was the exact

  same woman and anybody from that era

  well now she I mean she was attractive

  but she wasn't like super attractive she

  was now girl-next-door yeah like totally

  feasible that maybe she was somebody who

  answered the phone for them and they're

  like hey Sally would you mind if we take

  a picture

  uh-huh maybe it maybe she was on the

  train I don't know for everybody maybe

  she did work there one right and hatred

  hey turn around click she didn't really

  she did not look like a model like a

  fashion model who was told he put this

  headset on and pretend you're on the

  phone for a second

  I'm you know but she is attractive but

  she also was very she also was very

  attractive in like a get the photo was

  very clearly taken in 1987 like she

  could not have looked more eighties and

  I even buy like the early nineties sort

  of started looking dated but exam

  yeah but it but we love to but she

  effectively was the logo from

  connection like she went with the Apple

  the apple with a bite out of it

  mark is to apple that that woman was to

  Matt connection like you wouldn't know

  it was Matt connection if you didn't see

  her and her photo was huge it was huge

  and catalog it was like where the people

  with this woman that's what you want to

  go get what you say that you go to sleep

  you have on their site to see if she's

  still there and you said you had to

  abandon the piece though

  yeah I got it just got too dark this is

  another good place to take a comedy like

  now that she's she's yeah it didn't end

  up well for her she's in an unhappy

  marriage

  ah so I feel like there's a lot going on

  I feel like like this is we're going to

  fill up an hour here easy on me today

  today is couple things that new stuff i

  mean stuff that just if we had recorded

  yesterday we would already be out of

  date right so what we got today

  run run run down the news today Samsung

  losses how much 19 gazillion 10 billion

  dollars wiped off its value

  following a report baby x digits packets

  man that's gotta hurt

  that's the worst damn billion white

  wiped off your value from a report by

  digitizing indicating that Apple place

  the large order for deer am from a

  Japanese better

  elpida it is create digit times

  yeah and I think I mean that's happened

  I mean maybe not to that degree but some

  of that has happened to apple the past

  certainly and I don't know maybe not

  source from digitize but definitely I

  mean there's been instances were some

  rumors of negatively affected apples

  your place but this is pretty

  I this is pretty big I mean it's old

  news I mean and everything you can find

  examples of it every week where the

  stock market is not rational and it you

  know tends to overreact it's a herd

  mentality but this seems right i mean a

  new and ironed it's not like we're fans

  of samsung in particular but this seems

  outrageously greatly fair to write to

  samsung

  I mean that Samsung is doing seems to be

  doing pretty darn well as a business

  say what you want about you know whether

  you like using the galaxy dingus phones

  or whatever but Rob but they seem to

  have a really rich business where they

  have a lot of things they're doing well

  in the phone market they're the only

  company other than apple making any

  significant profit I mean there's only

  two companies in the world making a

  profit serious profit selling phones

  apple and samsung and then the only 3rd

  company that's making like ten dollars a

  year is HTC everyone else is losing

  money so that's pretty good

  I they make their own screens they got

  manufacturing you know they did they're

  doing well in the TV business they they

  have a wide-ranging I mean they're a

  conglomerate in every sense of the word

  and it seems like they're doing really

  well and then digitize it says apples

  buying dear am from a deputy's company

  and they lose six billion dollars i was

  six billion 10 says 10 billion dollars

  in marketing campus is a lot like an

  electric least within several I I mean I

  presume that that will even out i'm in

  angles people will sober up after lunch

  and maybe the stock oh yeah even out but

  it just seems especially coming a day or

  two after Harry McCracken's epic alright

  let's say here's 25 digit time reports

  from the last few years right and then

  they run back in and and sell yourselves

  right and like like Keith that's like

  harry mccracken I mean that is like some

  serious claim child's cooking to go not

  just like one at a time but to do 25 and

  more or less the result was if the if

  the report from digit times even vaguely

  sensational interesting it ended up

  being complete bullshit and and the only

  ones that it that panned out were the

  ones that were kinda obvious like novels

  making the new phone this year right

  like anything that was actually like

  news where the internet and it's just

  that it just appalls me man over and

  over again people will still credulous

  Lee report things four digit times

  without i mean i think most of the most

  of the rumor sites now seem to at least

  being released to be putting some sort

  of disclaimer in about digital variety

  that they're very is a little

  they still yeah to me they're they're so

  bad it's not worth it and it's not even

  worth mentioning right i mean it's so

  bad that I think you could really use

  you would clean up

  I mean I got a preposterous set sense

  you would just clean up if you bet

  against anything there against because

  they're never there never write very

  strange

  now you like to gamble i do like to

  gamble I do you also identity you play

  the stocks now i don't i should but that

  because you know yeah it seems like

  those two things will go hand-in-hand

  I can see how it like I think it once

  you have a taste for it i do you know

  and then stuff like this JP Morgan stuff

  with a guy lost two billion dollars or

  difference of loops it really is it's

  the same thing it's just there's no

  difference between blackjack in the

  stock market except i think that the

  difference is there's no house in the

  stock market so if you're you know the

  big guy dominates the advantage to it is

  that you know you really you might be

  able to actually win in the long term

  since there's nobody taking a

  mathematical cut

  yeah somebody did a thing a couple years

  ago because if it was Matt how he or

  somebody but they just it wasn't super

  recent it was a before Apple really

  became huge it was when Apple was like

  in while apple's making a nice recovery

  but they're still like like one of the

  smaller players in tech but somebody had

  done a thing where they just tracked

  apple's stock price after keynote

  announcements and it like 44 times out

  of five right it went down the day of

  you know like the afternoon after a

  keynote and always recovered by the next

  week and inclined but you could you know

  that looked like you could really

  without paying any attention to the

  specifics of the rumors or even

  listening to what was announced in the

  keynote if you just bought apple in the

  afternoon after it dip five percent

  because they didn't announce you know 3d

  glasses that run on infinitely never run

  dry batteries as was predicted by

  analyst and engine sell it in a week

  after recovered and ever

  he was like hey you know they actually

  didn't have some cool stuff but when

  he's so good

  yeah you would you would like you can

  just make money you need money I I feel

  like there's a lot of padding

  programmable there's gotta be some

  patterns like that the stock market

  right there definitely are and I think

  once or twice I mean one every once in a

  while the little buck the trend but

  still if you did it if you did it over

  time enough you got you got to make a

  lot of money doing that there's a lot of

  I think that you can see a lot of gaming

  I mean it's almost you can see that

  there are people trying to float rumors

  leading up to events in order to try to

  affect the stock price right there's two

  senses of that there's the did nerd sent

  were we just listened and and we just

  want to know about the cool stuff and

  you know the sites like the verge and

  gadget we just want to hear it we just

  want to give us to give us the specs

  like I you know in a way that like we

  don't what we're happy when we have

  surprises in the keynote that aren't

  spoiled but if they're going to be

  spoiled let me read all the details

  about it in advance

  I can't help myself right ah but we

  really just they're doing it as nerds

  but there's also clearly another set of

  people who are setting things up to try

  to like it seems very clear that they're

  trying to move the stock right tells us

  what it's more like this time is more

  like this is more like poker then like

  you know more like we're sitting around

  playing poker with a bunch of different

  people as opposed to play nice yes

  exactly i have a friend who years ago

  actually did that and he decided he got

  he got into online

  we're playing poker online and then got

  so good at it that he decided he was

  gonna try and he's gonna take six months

  and try and make it his job and he did I

  mean he did ok you know his family

  wasn't having the street or anything but

  he didn't do it didn't do incredibly and

  but with the thing that really drove him

  back to do a regular job was that he

  just got tired of taking advantage of

  you because that's what you have to do I

  mean you go in there and I mean

  particularly around here he wasn't in

  vegas he was he was around here going to

  be no Indian casinos and and then you

  know you get to know the people who

  would play there and then you know what

  there with her weaknesses are and you

  would just exploit them and you know he

  figured he either had to really like go

  into that in order to make a good living

  doing it or he had to just you know give

  up and do something else so we just need

  to do something else but that I mean it

  seems like that situation is more like

  the stock market

  yeah i think definitely but it's also

  good the case to where I it's almost

  like poker where sometimes the cards you

  can just see everybody's cards like and

  i think apple is that type of company I

  guys it's like one of the like non-stop

  recurring themes of what I talk about

  what I write about is that Apple is

  really a fairly simple company they

  really i mean they're the Bible by

  market value their the biggest company

  in the world but they're really I really

  pretty simple i mean you can actually

  get to know the company just by walking

  into one of their stores because of the

  stores sort of represent everything they

  do and the emphasis they put on things

  in the stores is pretty close to

  relative the important it is to them as

  a company you know the iphones and ipads

  or upfront the most important max are

  the macbooks especially the heirs and

  cannot the iphone cases are in the back

  it's a really simple company and then

  you read you know if you're obsessed

  with the company like we are and then

  you've sometimes you see the financial

  analysts and and they're so bizarrely

  wrong and you disassociate from that's

  all they do is just study the company

  yeah that's a good point i didn't

  thought about that i mean it and it kind

  of think about like the microsoft store

  and how that is not true at Microsoft

  right i mean basically microsoft store

  is pretty much a copy of an apple store

  and it's their consumer and I guess it's

  maybe it's a good focus

  good lens on their consumer business but

  it it's not a good lens on the company

  in general because most of the

  businesses enterprise stuff right and

  that's you know it i don't know that it

  has to be that way and then you know the

  microsoft others might end up being good

  for them

  I don't know it doesn't it I just think

  it but again

  microsoft is not an easy as easy

  anywhere near as easy as a company to

  understand is as Apple right right um

  they do a decent I mean I've been up I

  have only been up past there's one up

  about 45 minutes to an hour from here

  and it's never as packed as an apple

  store is on saturday afternoon but and

  it's also you know it's right next to

  redmond so I mean maybe that's got

  something to do with it but on they do a

  decent into a decent business in there

  is usually me go by there on a Saturday

  afternoon and and it's it's full and

  their number of people walking around i

  don't know how many people buying things

  but at least that people in there

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  favorite icons ever it has one of the

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  I i applied almost any at icon that is

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  something I wanted to talk about and and

  I want to talk about it because I don't

  know what to write about it because I

  really don't know what I think about yet

  like I know it's something but i really

  i started my mind about it i don't i

  don't have my mind made up about it but

  its windows forearm windows forearm has

  rules that are a lot like those of iOS

  where that the only apps you can install

  our Metro apps and they have to go

  through the microsoft app store and the

  metro api's are like all brand new and

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  like that can have it so last week it

  came out I mean this is news that that's

  the way it's going to be but mozilla

  officially came out as being in

  opposition to this that because they

  can't do a full version of firefox for

  Windows RT making the argument that this

  not just is not the way it should be but

  that it shouldn't even be allowed to be

  this way because of all the the

  antitrust agreement microsoft has made

  do the unpleasantness and the the late

  nineties with the US department of

  justice and I guess you

  with your upto they've the European and

  so I can totally see I absolutely see

  why why

  mozilla would it push in this direction

  because it's certainly in their

  interests to have firefox going to be

  able to do a full version of firefox for

  all versions of windows so I don't fault

  them for pushing in this direction but I

  don't know I I i tend to think my the

  way eileen is that Microsoft is actually

  isn't doing anything wrong here

  right well you would like two piece that

  indicated and most of that stuff is

  written in terms of that there were

  restrictions were on intel-based heart

  right so and it seems to me it seems to

  make more sense i mean if you think

  about the tablet market it's not obvious

  that Microsoft is not in a minimum

  position on the tablet market so it

  seems like this should be considered new

  territory right there's a couple ways to

  look at and I think looking at it and

  everybody think the news was that

  Mozilla kind of crack the seal on

  wanting to look at this from a legal

  perspective and not that they filed a

  lawsuit

  I mean and and I've gotten there yet but

  they sort of at least like open the door

  and that you know indicated that maybe

  you know maybe such as you know whether

  it would be like a civil suit or whether

  it would be them petitioning the

  department of justice or the European

  regulators to look into this but that

  you know legal action might might end up

  being taken place but I actually think

  Microsoft might be on good ground in

  this regard because like you said that

  the actual findings of facts from 1999

  and the great unpleasantness really do

  mention over and over and over again 30

  sometimes Intel compatible pc operating

  systems

  yeah and that the thing that you think

  that you link to was specifically the

  doc Department of Justice settlement

  with Mike right off so I mean they may

  have a different issue with your plan

  situation so I mean maybe maybe that's

  another right and one of the things you

  know I remember this and I wasn't

  writing during

  i bought the time but I was certainly

  following the tech industry just as

  obsessively you know and just appear

  layman's understanding of antitrust laws

  that monopolies aren't illegal in and of

  themselves

  it's just that when you have a monopoly

  you have to play by different rules so

  it's not that hey you have a monopoly

  you've got to be busted up now it

  doesn't work like that but it's hey you

  have a monopoly you can't do certain

  things that you could do if you didn't

  have a monopoly on but there's all its

  it's hard to sometimes I think

  especially in the computer industry it's

  really kind of hard it depends how you

  divide something up to say whether

  something is a monopoly or not like I

  think the old AT&T phone monopoly in the

  US was as clear cases could be because

  if you wanted to call make a call to

  somebody who didn't live in your town

  the one and only way to do it was

  through AT&T and you paid whatever AT&T

  said you wanted to pay I I mean that's

  about as classic of a monopoly is it

  could be i think that the old railroad

  monopolies were as classic of monopolies

  you want if you wanted to ship something

  on a train from here to there had to go

  through these guys and there were no

  other options but when you start talking

  I mean I've heard people i have heard

  people endlessly talk about the fact

  that that like at accuse apple of having

  a monopoly on Mac OS that right that if

  you want a mac you've gotta you can only

  buy an Apple computer and I don't think

  I think that's I don't think there's any

  I don't think that actually is how

  things work but right uh just from a

  common-sense standpoint like you said

  couple minutes ago

  there's no I don't see how anybody could

  argue that Microsoft's monopoly on PC

  operating systems translates into

  tablets right that these that the

  machines that they intend to put Windows

  RT on Microsoft not only does have a

  monopoly they've got like nothing

  they've got zip

  I mean a tradition of try to saw windows

  as a tablet operating system for years

  and just not found anything but also

  this is just this is completely new

  marketing but I do it I I

  I you know I have to say and I've you

  know it's one of those things because i

  have wasn't writing daring fireball at

  the time and so there's no there's no

  record I can't prove it but I really

  have to say I was never all that

  comfortable with with the way that that

  the terms of Microsoft ended up agreeing

  to it and the antitrust agreement

  I've never i always thought that it just

  I I kind of saw microsoft side on it i

  do think that they did some things the

  way that they I think the things that

  they did that were wrong and clearly

  were illegal and deserve some sort of

  legal punishment were the the hardball

  tactics they took where it was like hey

  you're gonna do this like they go to del

  and say you're going to make Internet

  Explorer the default browser or we're

  not going to sell you any copies of

  windows period you know that right that

  right and that's illegal because they

  can't they needed L hat L needed

  licenses for windows otherwise they go

  out of business there were you know

  while there were other quote unquote

  Intel pc operating systems by the

  nineties you couldn't make any money

  selling computers that had used them

  ah but I don't know that they should

  have been forced to make some of these

  rules about windows and what they can do

  by default it really does yeah I always

  struck me as something that was going to

  hamstring them i think i thought at the

  time I was just happy that you know

  anything i was happy to see Microsoft

  get stuck by some right so I was a yeah

  certainly supported it at the time but

  probably not from a real logical stand

  right like first very specifically I

  remember and this was like a huge point

  of contention in the court proceedings

  was Microsoft's argument that internet

  explorer was part of the operating

  system not and it couldn't be the way

  that it was made it couldn't be dissin

  taken out uh and i think that the

  slashdot crowd really saw no merit to

  that argument whatsoever because at a

  technical level it certainly didn't have

  to be that way

  you certainly didn't have

  to make the browser part of the

  operating system but I actually think

  Microsoft was right that internet

  explorer was part of the operating

  system in the same way that WebKit is

  part of OS 10 and iOS that it's you know

  that that

  yeah David I think at the time I found

  that a convenient excuse

  you know they were trying to time and

  they were doing things like trying to

  make it the new windows explorer and

  that kind of thing and I thought that

  they were basically doing that in order

  to try to make it part of the operating

  system so they can use that as an excuse

  but I think in retrospect some of that

  was just my lack of foresight as to

  where they where they thought they were

  going with it but yeah and and that but

  I think now fast-forward flash forward

  fast forward I guess fast-forward to the

  present day and it really this whole

  argument really to me encapsulated the

  incredible tables are turned position

  between Apple and Microsoft mom you know

  where Apple's role in that hole late

  nineties Department of Justice

  investigation against Microsoft was sort

  of they like the fact that Apple didn't

  go out of business was like the best

  thing that ever happened to Microsoft

  because they could say hey we've got a

  competitor look at these guys these

  apple guys there you know they've got

  five percent of the market totally

  different operating system and and there

  was a don't take a right and there was

  you know I think that there is a I think

  everybody is largely an agreement that

  was that was sort of Microsoft

  motivation with the investment they made

  the famous you know on stage appearance

  big brother style behind steve jobs at

  the macworld expo where they said hey

  we're going to invest a couple hundred

  million dollars in non-voting shares

  we're you know we're buying some shares

  that have no you know special class of

  shares that doesn't give us any control

  over apple we just want to support the

  company

  and we're were committing to make a

  great version of internet explorer for

  the mac apple is going to make it their

  default browser and where you know

  committing ourselves right here in

  public to to the next version of

  microsoft office which is going to be

  fully compatible with Windows Office

  which all of it was true right that the

  internet explorer was a good Mac browser

  at the time office was compatible and it

  really did I think you know at the time

  it really was essential

  I don't know that apple would have gone

  on a business if Microsoft cancelled

  office for mac but it certainly would

  have hurt a compass a big appearance he

  is a bigger prize thing that there was

  certainly a sizeable number of mac users

  who if they couldn't have had a version

  of office maybe couldn't have been you

  know would have had to switch to a

  windows pc it's funny how big a deal

  that was back then I think about that

  sometimes how big an office suite men's

  it really was a huge in the 90 it was a

  huge deal because it really was i I

  think that a very basic level it was the

  reason that people had computers right

  that they'll I guess we just we printed

  a lot more back then printed a lot more

  printing was ridiculously huge LOL now

  I'm I / sometimes my printer like the

  yellow light blinks because there's

  something in it gets like a month not

  the only time I realize it is when I go

  in front of boarding pass for my next

  flight

  yeah I have a I bro for a long time are

  only our main printers in my office and

  and my wife is the only one that uses it

  and I mean it's still have every time it

  fires up it scares me gets I get

  startled by the noise and I actually had

  to turn it off in order to get to this

  podcast that is she is doing is your

  wife or print he earns more than I do

  see Prince study at more than I do

  yeah she's it carries just a crazy part

  she printed every time she will do

  things like and and smart stuff too like

  you're going on vacation or something

  she'll print like a temporary with all

  the basic information and so was I and I

  just think well it's in my phone

  somewhere and so like I'll just sit

  there like a jerk and

  and 20 minutes trying to find a

  confirmation code while I'm at the hotel

  checkout desk words just got like eight

  pieces of paper that have everything you

  could want to know right there but yeah

  I mean a couple must I coming months ago

  we went skiing and she you know was

  smart enough to have to force it to know

  that we were driving up into the

  mountains and would not get good cell

  coverage and so she printed out to the

  directions and you know and sure enough

  we got here we were we were just about

  lost at one point and I'm like I have no

  I've completely clueless because i have

  no cell connection that it's you it's

  like you're you and I are again exactly

  in the same boat because I would never

  think that I've to me printing

  directions is something i did when i was

  a kid right now it's not something a man

  does today got an iphone but i do it is

  really too many highlights the

  difference between Apple and Microsoft

  competitive positions where clearly i I

  really don't think that this is even a

  matter for dispute this isn't being an

  apple fanboy or anything I mean windows

  RT is chasing iOS I mean and it's going

  to be you know that the other thing

  they're doing is the next version of

  windows phone is going to be based on

  the big boy version of windows it's

  going to be a it's a serious I've Paul

  throughout throughout had a good piece

  about it last week I link to better you

  know it's a big deal for developers

  it's you know it's going to look the

  metro UI will be mostly the same but

  it's a real significant under the hood

  thing where it's not a grownup version

  of the old windows mobile it's a

  cut-down version of windows 8 and I

  think Apple again there's there's legal

  argument centres technical arguments and

  the technical side I think you know

  people have school down and it's no

  longer nobody's as hot under the collar

  as they used to be about the appstore

  rules is just the basic idea not the

  exceptional cases where it's you know

  there's some kind of edge case rejection

  right but just the basic idea that apps

  go through the app store they're all

  reviewed and there's a lot of things you

  know you've got to play within a tight

  set of

  sandbox rules that keep your app from

  you know running a monk you don't have

  background privilege or you're very

  limited background privileges you can't

  see the whole file system you can only

  see that your own data sandboxing does

  still get people developers on under the

  collar

  well in it that's a different issue on

  the mac though and part of that it

  really highlights and I think it shows

  the problems Microsoft's going to have

  moving forward is that it's a he was a

  huge advantage to Apple to say this is a

  new thing this is ios and here are the

  rules and it's all you know in fact they

  started with literally here's the

  weekend 2007 five years ago they said

  here's your phone running iOS it has no

  apps like the great like they started

  from a point where third-party

  developers were told you know you can

  write a web page

  ah yeah and so they grew from there

  and so the app store with all of its

  limitations was you know the proverbial

  I class ice water and he'll compared to

  not having any app third-party apps at

  all whereas trying to impose these rules

  on the Mac where developers were pretty

  much free to invite if you could make it

  and it runs can do it put it on your

  website people downloaded and you know

  whether it's an app that sticks to our

  recommended guidelines or whether it's

  you know some kind of Colonel Colonel

  plugin that implements you know low

  level stuff they could freeze the whole

  machine you can install it if you want

  around but that if you think they will

  always allow that on the mac i do I

  don't I really nice seriously do the

  quiz i think the bigger question is how

  long does the mac stay around i mean is

  the mac still around 10 years from now I

  you know 15 years from now that's the

  bigger question but as long as there are

  max I think that that stays I think that

  I I did

  I've talked to people at Apple about it

  and you know you never know again you

  can't

  no it's not like they're going to

  divulge if they really had a secret plan

  to to take that away in mac OS x 10.9

  Ocelot or whatever they're going to call

  it that I'd not sound like they would

  necessarily tell me even in confidence

  but just the conversations I've had with

  ppl makes me I i really believe it thats

  you know and that's also why I don't

  believe any kind of stories about iOS

  and OS 10 merging you know that there's

  gonna be 10 s that uh huh

  I just don't you know they may be

  similarities but to me it's fundamental

  to the way it works so once you start

  with something like a set of rules for a

  game all it's almost like it's like this

  changing the rules of the game like you

  just can't change them that much if you

  can't

  yeah you can't go in now and say

  baseball you can't be there is no more

  left-handed batters because left it's a

  too big of an advantage because there

  they start four feet closer to first

  base than right-handed batters so now

  everybody has to bat from the right side

  what you can't do that now it might make

  some kind of logical sense but you know

  you can't do it its 28 that's probably

  bad example i guess but you know I could

  see like doing that

  yeah you know what i should say that

  actually sounds like him but I I just

  think though I think one of the reasons

  that everybody's cool down about the the

  iOS rules is that it's clearly worked

  that it is proven to be wildly popular

  and it's hard even for us even for the

  type of geeks who like iOS and love

  their iPads and and love their iphones

  it's hard for us to and I know it's hard

  for me to understand how regular people

  see computers people who just that they

  just really have very little

  understanding of what the hell is

  actually going on and I just think that

  you just cannot there's no way to

  overstate the relief that they see what

  when they're using iPads and iPhones

  where they feel like they can't screw

  anything up there is no way to screw it

  there's nothing you can do that is going

  to render this thing in a broken just by

  installing software clicking the wrong

  button or something like that huh which

  is you know and it a problem on the Mac

  you know that you can buy stuff install

  too much crap in your menu bar that's

  always running and all of a sudden

  safari slow

  I i think it's a huge relief and it's

  like a piece of mind and I think it's a

  huge part of the ipads success in the

  market like why people are buying iPads

  and using them instead of using laptops

  is that these rules are good for people

  and it's not the point is not and this

  you know I i do see the the Free

  Software Foundation you know I see their

  argument that you don't want all

  computers to have this rule but they're

  all computers don't have these rules

  right it's just this huge job you know

  there's this huge opportunity that Apple

  was the first to take to make computers

  that had these rules and it's not

  supposed to be for everybody it's not

  you know all computers shouldn't have

  those rules but most I think should and

  I think it's idea i just don't I can't

  see how Microsoft should be disallowed

  from following with windows or you know

  and then again this is another one of

  those things where the sty and I

  personally always attributed to Ballmer

  but that this idea that everything has

  to be called windows it's got to have

  windows a name something I that's right

  I gotta think that's really holding them

  back and on so many regards I mean the

  names the names become increasingly

  ridiculous just from you know the way

  they sound because they keep putting

  different things on the end of Windows

  but also just just from like a branding

  perspective I think people are sort of

  tired of it and maybe that's just from a

  mac user perspective but I it doesn't

  mean having the xbox not named something

  windows i think is a great advantage for

  it

  yeah absolutely and I think that xbox is

  their best the best example and abet is

  that it's the only that's the best

  counter again it's the only thing that

  we need to slap windows

  every exactly and it's the best even if

  an I presume again I've never I don't I

  certainly haven't written an xbox game

  but I i presume and I'd I think that

  it's this is actually true that writing

  games for the xbox is largely or at

  least in many ways similar to writing

  games for windows you know that if

  you're good at writing you know like its

  software type games you know quake and

  those type of games for the pc on

  windows that a lot of the techniques you

  use and the code you use can be reused

  on xbox you know that so in the same way

  that iOS and OS 10 share these

  fundamental technologies the xbox does

  too but they just don't call it that

  right and i do think that that really

  hurts

  I and I think it hurts them in this

  argument you know and I see people who

  are you know I see that there's a lot of

  people supporting the Mozilla an

  argument that you know that they

  shouldn't be allowed to do this for for

  Windows RT and again you know it does

  kind of stink and you know it

  there's trade-offs nobody's saying that

  that these rules like in the app store

  and way that they want to run Windows RT

  that there aren't downsides to these

  rules i think clearly the fact that macs

  and pcs can run alternate browsers that

  can be set as the default it you know

  that there's been way more innovation in

  the browser space because of firefox and

  google chrome and all the WebKit type

  stuff then there would have been

  otherwise I you know and maybe somebody

  else is going to come out with a browser

  for mobile devices that iphone users are

  going to be left out in the cold from

  because they can't install it from the

  app store it's possible that you know it

  seems silly to think that WebKit mobile

  web kit is always going to be the

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  so you're with me on this that you think

  that that that the windows RT the

  restrictions on Windows RT are

  reasonable if it's not

  yeah I don't think yeah i mean i don't

  think there's any way that you could

  look at I mean you can't

  it seems like if you look at the letter

  of the agreement in and of itself that

  it's clear that it's focused on until

  based hardware and and then from a

  purely rational aspect of looking at the

  market they have no they have no

  monopoly over the tablet market so you

  know it the that agreement does not

  really apply

  yeah and it sort of seems like i mean

  the the guy from Mozilla who was you

  know he's a lawyer so he's looking at it

  from a legal perspective and he seemed

  to be saying I mean did seem like you

  know they might be taking action

  they're trying to take action but he

  also seemed to be stripped insinuating

  that it was against the the spirit of

  the law of the of the settlement which

  you know I mean maybe you can make that

  the case but you know companies aren't

  bound by the spirit of a settlement

  early found by down by the law and you

  can't really follow them i mean Apple

  would do the same thing right I

  completely agree and i do but i don't

  really fascinating to see how it plays

  out and i really do think

  and I it's you know that the Shakespeare

  quote rose by any other name would smell

  just as what nice

  whatever the hell he says we and what

  the hell Shakespeare you can rewrite the

  guy yeah I I really think it would make

  a difference if it were called Metro OS

  just you know I always that's my idea my

  mind free consultation to them is that

  they should call windows forearm metro

  OS or just metro just say this is metro

  and you can get it on your phones you

  get it on your tablet you can even get

  it on a laptop and if it's under the

  hood all standard the windows kernel and

  all of this code that's exactly the same

  as you know windows more power to them

  that's an engineering win we're not

  duplicating effort but you don't brand

  and i'm telling you if if they did that

  I think that their argument would have

  carry a lot less weight that's what it's

  just another reason why i think that the

  argument doesn't carry ways if they just

  change the name of the thing it seems

  like all the logic doesn't apply in a

  right

  how can I have a monopoly with an

  operating system that isn't even out yet

  for devices it is a little it is a

  little weird i mean i-i any i would

  probably agree on this too but I mean

  the fact that they still have that the

  full desktop experience and that they

  will ship a full version of office for

  Windows RT and and whatever other

  applications that Microsoft deems worthy

  of getting a pass i'm at that and having

  used windows 8 it's the whole switching

  back and forth between metro and the

  traditional Windows desktop is a jarring

  experience and I'd that I don't

  understand mean and I think you've

  posted this before to go but just just

  the packet everybody should have

  jettisoned the Windows desktop right on

  arm all right that would have made a lot

  more sense right and I just feel it's

  just another one of those things where

  there's it there's trade-offs you know

  like and everybody knows everybody is at

  least halfway Vicki knows that it can be

  frustrating on the iphone especially on

  the ipad i think it's more of a deal on

  the IP

  that because you can work on the ipad

  and sometimes you just feel like I wish

  I could just get a list of all the files

  on this thing just show me a list of all

  these files and let me just drag take

  this one and say I want to open this one

  in that app or I want to take this file

  and send it to my mac at home and

  sometimes the fact that you that there

  is no the equivalent of a finder whether

  it looked like the finder or not but

  there's no app that's like that it is

  frustrating and but there are there's a

  simplicity window that if it isn't even

  there then every app has to kind of

  encapsulate its data in a simpler way

  like the fact that it's not there and

  that developers can't say we'll just go

  to Explorer and you know change the file

  extension in and it should fix itself

  that if you don't even have the option

  of telling your users that you've got to

  you've got to do the work to present the

  data in a simpler way i do think that

  it's going to be I think of it just

  seems crazy that you can get this

  brand-new tablet with this fancy

  lovely-looking whether it's you know

  something you really want to use all the

  time I think it's up up for up for

  debate metro but it looks nice and it

  certainly looks new and it certainly

  doesn't look like anything windows ever

  done before and then all of a sudden you

  hit the explore button then you're in

  you know yeah like windows seven all

  over again

  yeah which I said I sort of take that as

  a compliment to us that we all seem to

  like it when lots of mac users have said

  that they liked the with the Metro

  interface and so you know there we

  weren't we were just need your Apple

  apologist for all those years where we

  said we hated windows we really it went

  yeah I totally did that totally agree

  with that yeah I just like nice things

  I've always said I just like nice things

  and it just happens to be that a lot of

  these companies never

  these companies never

  for make nice things yeah what else we

  got here the wall street journal

  confirmed today or that they did they

  left themselves some wiggle room but

  they said that Apple is going to switch

  24 inch iphone displays the rain luck

  and juro osawa reporting for the wall

  street journal as the new iphone that

  Apple incorporated is expected to unveil

  this year is likely to have a larger

  display than its current models have

  with the company ordering bigger screens

  from occasion suppliers people familiar

  with the matter said yeah you and I if

  we ever form a band we were talking

  before the show that maybe doing a song

  I don't know I maybe we'll wait till

  another episode but if we do I think

  maybe a name for our band people

  familiar with the matter

  oh yeah now that's a good name for a

  band and her band of it by people who do

  maybe media criticism all the songs will

  be about media criticism I feel like are

  you looking at the the one that has the

  picture the guy holding the white iphone

  i think something that was what it was

  yeah he's only got four fingers you know

  I didn't see that on that trip huh

  it's got a thumb and three fingers I

  think he's one of the simpson kids you

  know I had a conversation with Jonas

  about that about why it why do so many

  cartoon characters only have three

  anchors and a thought

  yeah he did not buy my explanation that

  it's easier to draw and and looks better

  over here is what helped Mike what did

  he have an alternate explanation

  no he thinks I'm hiding the truth from

  you know that he's not buying it huh

  there was an episode i believe there was

  an episode where the Simpsons where

  Homer imagined what his kids would look

  like if they were regular were actual

  and he said something about

  five-fingered freaks and they showed us

  showed a picture of them drawing more

  more normal picking any movie I believe

  he cried out in terror

  I do see this picture of the guy holding

  the white iphone

  yeah which is the normal you know that's

  the way right that he's got his indigo

  behind ya the index fingers just but

  it's completely yeah but it you know it

  doesn't look like he's got four fingers

  like maybe he was got caught shoplifting

  singapore something which would be a

  half but that would suck to it when its

  stock if they if if you got caught

  shoplifting and one of these countries

  when you're going to lose your finger

  and they go right for the index finger

  sure that the pinky I would be terrible

  and then that you see if you gripe I bet

  they're like you're lucky we didn't take

  the thumb

  exactly oh man can you imagine taking

  the taking the thumb that's what am I

  know where that's what my were sad that

  is

  I mean because then you just you're not

  even human anymore you remember a couple

  months ago when I had that goofy family

  every that's friend back at that

  happened I was I had that that cast or

  brace on all the way up to my elbow but

  I still had my thumb and it was it was

  incredibly frustrating to have my whole

  left hand in this thing and be done able

  to use any of my fingers for a couple of

  weeks but the fact that I still had the

  thumb was surprisingly useful

  surprisingly useful you know identified

  that I just remember thinking if I

  didn't have that thumb and I would be it

  i mean i could it was hard but if I had

  something in my right hand I could with

  that thumb I could eventually open a

  door knob yeah yeah I noticed also

  talked about how hard it is for my dog

  and the dog does not have thumbs and

  just the way he is that the way he has

  to hold something he's chewing on true

  that's no life and that's no way to live

  and we like to think that we're so smart

  in that we've you know we've got these

  great minds that have separated us from

  the rest of the animal kingdom but

  really all we've got a good thumbs right

  if you had thumbs you replace me in all

  right okay yeah i would imagine if the

  Dolphins had thumbs up always equally

  look man we have to be so screwed

  we're already not the smartest species

  on the planet right I they would just be

  able to better prove it right or

  elephants imagine of elephants had

  thumbs

  yeah they could really kick some ass

  they rang it sounds like there's a mean

  this is a stupid story but bringing

  things using iPads I saw that where I

  don't make it though I saw it were like

  what I didn't read it either but like

  one step away from Planet of the Apes

  you get those rankings iPads and were

  you know right now they're like

  communicating and stuff right there

  making plans and good they're going to

  get on facebook

  we're gonna start talking to each other

  and then and then the next thing you

  know you're running through the brush

  with Charlton Heston this for inside fun

  thing I've talked about this before and

  I've heard whispers about it i still

  don't know that it's certain nobody ever

  Apple it and people used to tell me

  things that apple now they did they

  don't tell me anymore i don't think that

  i think they've got way more secretive

  than before and i have i've been saying

  this to people I've had a lot of people

  ask me after Steve Jobs died you think

  apple is going to maybe open up a little

  bit more

  I honestly I'd for everything I've

  observed over the last nine months or

  maybe even call it a year because i

  think clearly job started winding down

  is his management before he actually

  retired I i think they've gotten only

  only on more secretive in my experience

  um but then I've heard the thing i've

  heard is that if they go to a 4-inch

  it's going to stay the same with and

  they're just going to make it taller and

  it's going to have the same pixel

  density in other words the same number

  of pixels print she's going to they're

  going to add more pixels make a more

  like a like a wider screen display or a

  taller screen display whatever you want

  to call it and that you know what about

  developers developers you know assume

  that this exact pixel count but that

  there already are things like when

  you're on a phone call and it you have

  like a double-height status bar

  nah that right you're already supposed

  to make your appt a little bit flexible

  in that dimension you know that

  apparently some apps don't do that as

  well as others they

  shrink they just let that green

  double-side statusbar take up space but

  i think that that's you know that's the

  the answer because i don't think the

  other thing is I don't think that they

  want to make a physically bigger fun

  like to me what's ridiculous with the

  android hope not

  giant phones is not the fact that the

  screen is bigger bigger screen is better

  in general for a phone but not the

  bigger devices are worse right to me

  thats the trade-off involved bigger

  screen

  yes terrific bigger device heavier takes

  up more space in your pocket harder to

  hold in one hand I not good so I you

  know

  yeah why not if they can keep the device

  the same size and devote more of the

  front face to the screen

  why not I because I'm holding my phone

  in my hand right now and I i can

  comfortably well i can not completely

  comfortably but I can touch all four

  corners with my thumb if it gets well

  maybe if it gets taller actually think

  right especially if you think that upper

  corner me and even that one but still

  pretty close and if you did if it were a

  half of it were at the top half the

  extra pixels are at the top and half her

  at the bottom I to me i don't think it

  really would make that big of a

  difference it might be a little bit

  harder to get there in the corner but I

  mean I think Apple clearly you know is

  aware of that everybody knows that they

  take these phones out i'm sure if you

  went to any beer garden in the san jose

  area greater cupertino area you can see

  dozens of these phones being used

  recklessly and left behind on some

  barstools any night of the week

  I mean they famously test these things

  you know you're not going to make it so

  big that you can't get that it's harder

  to get the corner to corner they found a

  bet they have a case that makes it look

  like a galaxy tab or galaxy note I with

  a stylus on this so i think it's totally

  believable what I would not believe

  would be if if these reports are coming

  out saying that Apple is going to make a

  phone that is a lot bigger physically

  bigger nah you know everything I've

  heard is that if they go to a bigger

  screen

  it's bigger than that one dimension same

  physical size dollars right and I've

  also talked about this that the way that

  they make these screens is they make I'm

  and I'm you know I could be talking out

  of my ass here but my understanding is

  away LCD screens are made is that they

  make big big sheets of these things and

  they find sect they identify sections

  that are known you know that don't have

  dead pixels and then they come cut them

  to size so it's like they don't like

  imagine a big sheet of paper and then

  you just a hot little three-and-a-half

  inch rectangles out of it and boom

  here's an iphone screen here is an

  iphone screen so if they the way that

  they would make these screens as they

  would be using the exact same sheets as

  the current iphone retina display and

  they would just be cutting slightly

  taller rectangles out of them and if you

  think of that you know that sounds crazy

  that sounds crazy I mean you're probably

  right i mean but because i know nothing

  about that but that just sounds like

  you're making taffy sort I think it sort

  of is

  and and so from an economies of scale

  perspective and this sort of the tim

  cook uh you don't have to retool and

  exactly is it you wait you wait another

  nanosecond as the things coming through

  in the crate from a Tim Cook operational

  genius perspective it makes a lot of

  sense right and that's also the argument

  behind the exact same argument behind

  the rumored 7.82 568 inch iPad you know

  this always it's just the other way

  well it would be the the if you have if

  you took a the the iphone 3gs screen the

  classic pre retina iphone LCD and you

  took a that exact LCD but imagine it as

  a big sheet the size of a table and you

  cut a 1024 x 768 pixel rectangle out of

  it comes out to be exactly 7.82 inches

  or something like that which is exactly

  the rumored size of the smaller ipod so

  in other words they these LCD screens

  that Apple has been

  producing ever since the first iphone

  because that's you know the 3gs has the

  exact same LCD displays the original

  iphone alright that they're still making

  today you know and still is apparently a

  pretty popular phone is like the third

  most popular phone at AT&T they don't

  have to make a new display for and a

  smaller ipad they just have to cut

  bigger size out of the displays that are

  already making right and presumably that

  would be you know by Apple's standard

  super cheap because they've got you know

  it's old technology you know it's

  pre-read meds right right

  never tried one of these super-sized

  phones now iĆ­ve I've got the you've got

  it you've got a couple of what you've

  got a windows mi6 lumia I got the loop

  and I have the lumiere you know you have

  a looming have the Lumia 800 though not

  the 911 is on sale but it's i love it i

  like it better and I've I've I've tried

  the 900 I i think the 800 is better i

  like what i really do because it's more

  comfortable in my hand

  it's it is very very roughly it is

  iphone sized more or less but like this

  rumored for enjoy iphone it's got a 3.7

  inch screen it's a good cause it's 69 I

  so it's taller

  it's got to be no more of the front a

  little bit more of the front face is

  devoted to the screen then on the iphone

  and i find that nothing but pleasing but

  it fits in my hand like the iphone and

  and you know so it's a little bit bigger

  it's like it's not quite four inches

  it's like 3.75 inches diagonal but I

  don't have any trouble going corner to

  corner with my thumb's just feels great

  my hand but the the Galaxy Nexus the top

  of the line android phone which is I

  think I swear I'm not making this up i

  think it's like a four point eight inch

  display

  ah it's it's just too big it's too big

  to use with one hand it really is it is

  it's nice to use with two hands it you

  know and and I'm not surprised and I'll

  i think i've said this before the way

  that android is meant to work where

  they're supposed to be a variety

  devices not surprised at all that some

  people would prefer a sort of as big as

  a phone could get without being laughed

  at phone right I'm not surprised at all

  that there's a lot of I'm not either and

  that's the whole advantage of the that

  that whole model that you can get this

  sort of variety that you're never going

  to get from apple because Apple is

  insane about these economies of scale

  and they're not going to make a fuck you

  know 222 new phones that are only

  slightly different you know in size are

  not going to do it

  I'm still shocked that there are 4000

  distinct android roms I mean that just

  seems like a crazy number this is a from

  arstechnica Casey Jones to johnston

  android fragmentation one developer

  encounter street 3997 devices just I i

  mean i have no idea how you mean I saw

  how that happens you see their story the

  other day about the game developer who

  took a picture of their testing room and

  they have all their android phones out

  on one table wasn't 4,000 phones but

  they had like a table with ya a hundred

  android phones off yeah yeah and 3,000

  of them were from Samsung I wonder you

  know just to play devil's ack just to

  play devil's advocate for a second you

  know it is it fair to say that it did

  say that there's 4,000 phones you have

  to support and how is that different

  than with your windows developer and the

  number of pcs that are out there i mean

  it's probably almost infinite the number

  of different pcs yeah but on the other

  hand I don't see windows developers did

  must be some some other differences that

  must be harder it must be different with

  mobile because you don't see windows you

  help her say our new games too many

  devices right well they don't have like

  a list our game runs on the HP pavilion

  blah blah blah

  the samsung well for years some sound

  cards have always been a big yeah issue

  and

  videocards I mean those two things being

  really for game development it is a pain

  in the ass and they have to you know

  they have to be really careful about

  what they do and try and hit the top

  that's you know how call that probably

  exactly it is that android is back in

  the pre microsoft sort of put the hammer

  down and sort of said look enough of

  this nonsense with sound cards and stuff

  like that if you want if you want to run

  the new version of windows you've got to

  have this that you know all of these

  people doesn't seem google doesn't have

  that lever right I think that's the

  difference is that Microsoft cleaned up

  I mean as fragmented is the pc market

  can be at a certain point microsoft said

  look here's the baseline and it covered

  everything

  it covered everything from the processor

  to the video to the sound card and you

  can use whatever you want but it

  these are the minimum requirements and

  if you don't meet all these minimum

  requirements you don't get windows and

  if you don't have windows good luck

  selling your pc right huh

  and it really did help and I think

  that's exactly where android is sort of

  back in the you've got to have a certain

  certain sound card and you've got to be

  able to run opengl 4.1 you know a good

  luck with your about typical person

  knowing whether their android phone is

  capable of the newest version of OpenGL

  this map of the map of all the different

  device types that looks like a resident

  mandal brought yeah it's just like it

  because it has that the major ones over

  the left and it could get that the size

  is a proportional size for each square

  is that there is the the number of

  devices out there and this gets smaller

  and smaller and smaller smaller it's

  like it's like it's a fractal this is

  crazy

  things we don't have all developers

  don't worry about now what else is going

  on

  sometimes I wanted to talk to you about

  about this ashton kutcher dress like

  steve jobs now

  yeah yeah I think I really don't care i

  really i have no hopes or expectations

  for either of these two movies and I

  mean just I have people seem to get why

  that Ashton Kutcher and like and then

  excited about Sorkin writing the other

  one and I just I really do not care

  alright I think I'm with you on that I

  I'm i don't care i would be great i hope

  both movies are good

  I I hope they're great i hope i hope

  every movie that's ever made is great

  but it's not gonna happen but here's the

  thing and I mentioned this in my wife

  pointed out and I'd sort of thought

  about my wife really called it out is

  what the hell is he doing dressed as

  Steve Jobs out getting coffee like it is

  he was he on his way to the set do

  actors typically oh I assumed i ii III

  assumed that it will I assume that was

  part of it was photographed like coming

  out of a starbucks right

  he always ok he's got like a like a cup

  of coffee I guys coffee in his hand and

  he's dressed like still looks like he's

  trying to walk like steve jobs too but

  he's got like young Steve Jobs Herot

  yeah and then a an old Steve Jobs is

  outfit on

  yeah like jobs when he had a thick head

  full of hair never wore that outfit my

  knowledge that the black turtleneck and

  jeans and new balance thing was a like

  1997 was spotted as he made his way to

  the set of the late Apple CEOs biopic so

  yeah he's got like a nice home I thought

  I see my thought is that maybe he's

  doing like some kind of method actor

  right now if he wants to be Steve John

  screens gotta be him all the time is

  good and that maybe he's not in costume

  he's that's just what he's wearing in

  his daily life now to to stay in that

  Steve Jobs mindset and then he shows

  firing a person every day right like

  he shows up and then to get the costume

  he's playing Steve Jobs circle like 1982

  and he's putting on like a plaid shirt

  and and somebody's Jordache jeans or

  whatever the hell jobs where back then

  and that he's just doing this and and

  amy was like ugh I mean you really i

  mean yeah i actually quicker method

  actor he's like the next Bob dinner on

  like I'm not saying it's good acting

  advice i'm saying it seems to me like

  the sort of crazy idea ashton kutcher

  would get his hair about how he needs to

  be right i'm not saying that this is how

  good actor needs to do it

  yeah you know i don't i don't think he

  read it read it in a book somewhere

  right i don't and an in-flight magazine

  I don't think Robert Downey jr. had to

  you know where the Iron Man suit out to

  get coffee just to get in the donuts you

  order to get diets that they're like

  just roll just roll with it roll roll

  camera

  this is great I yeah I I just have a

  hard time getting worked up over it and

  i hope the whole thing seems kind of

  dumb about the this is a good one

  Glenn Britt CEO of time warner cable and

  I'm not sure I know what airplay is so

  utterly unsurprising no not submit see

  so clearly telling like it would be one

  thing if the CEO of Time Warner Cable

  blew off airplay if it was asked about

  it in public and just said you know I

  just don't really think it's that

  relevant to I don't think it's relevant

  or something like that but to be genuine

  seemingly genuinely confused and say you

  don't know what it is you know and I

  don't think that again i don't think

  this is the sort of thing that that you

  and I in and guys on our racket kinda

  have to get our heads around is covering

  Apple the industry Goliath as opposed to

  apple the upstart right and I don't

  think again I don't think it's being a

  apple fanboy to say hey airplay is an

  important technology I think that it's

  hey if your business is showing people

  TV shows and video you've got me how can

  you

  not be worried about what a best buy it

  seems like that's just a problem with

  that kind of that kind of executives in

  that industry

  I'm i wouldn't be surprised if none of

  them know what I'm right there they're

  much more focused on making deals with

  partners then they are you know on

  technology but if I'm if I'm the CEO of

  Time Warner Cable I would be terrified

  of apple i would be so power or paranoid

  at least maybe terrified the wrong word

  but i would be paranoid about apple and

  I would look at anything Apple did that

  was even vaguely related to TV movies

  and video and I would study that with a

  fine-tooth comb because their apple

  there the hundred billion dollar-a-year

  the Wyeth well that would be the smart

  thing to do hey I think we're we're

  already beyond that now but and I do I

  just think it's one of those ways that

  Apple is it because they were dormant

  for so long that people underestimate

  them like i don't think that that if you

  know to go back 10 years to when

  Microsoft was the you know began to

  circle back to the Department of Justice

  area that late nineties microsoft I

  think that CEO of Time Warner knew

  exactly what Microsoft's like set-top TV

  plans were at the time may not have been

  worried about him but I think he was

  aware of them because they were

  dangerous right i guess i guess i don't

  know Nina I mean I don't you know I was

  then I really don't know I mean I have

  no recollection of reading anything

  about it at the time and no i haven't

  followed that industry that closely like

  that but it just seems like these guys

  don't operate that way it's their heads

  are so far up their asses

  it's ridiculous right so like a mg

  Siegler has been banging a drum on this

  thing forever with HBO shows not being

  available

  yeah to buy right and just was somebody

  did a study last week we figured out

  that

  game of thrones is like the most pirated

  TV show ever and it's like do not see

  the connection between the fact that you

  can't buy the episodes until like a year

  and a half after they're done airing

  then they'll come out with him on like

  then they'll put him on apple TV and put

  out the DVD F and the fact that it's the

  most pirated show right on television

  and they're in their response is

  basically the beatings will be taking a

  little around for exactly you know we're

  getting now you're going to need to buy

  you ticket i mean in order i forget what

  this is but you know like you need to

  have a cable subscription in order to

  get her conscious yes and online this is

  the thing that ties in with airplay and

  i find it very frustrating for me and

  particular with Game of Thrones so i

  didn't watch Game of Thrones last year

  my new policy on TV shows and it has

  served me very well is I don't want any

  new shows and I wait until season one is

  over and if people are still saying good

  things about it then maybe I'll buy the

  whole thing and I'll watch the pilot and

  if it's good then I'll buy the whole

  series and watch them again a binge like

  seven nights and yeah I and I did that

  with Game of Thrones and I enjoyed it

  very much unsurprisingly as a geek I you

  know thought it was terrific fun and

  very well done and and sort of you know

  like a nice that I let's take this sort

  of vaguely dungeons and dragon milieu

  and end right up the production values

  and sort of take it in a realistic

  quote-unquote and you and you famously

  did not like the Lord does not like the

  lord of the rings yeah and that is very

  famous so that's interesting i have not

  see I'm not seeing it and I have plans

  to see it and I'm looking forward to

  watching it the game of Thrones Game of

  Thrones because I i want to get into it

  and I all but at the same time I also

  know that season two is still area that

  was a trip and I'm really think that

  what's gonna happen is I'm gonna watch

  these one and then I'm gonna want season

  to immediately and I won't be able to

  get it for you know 48 months or

  whatever HBO signs so I've been away i'm

  kind of like I know I want to watch it

  but I'm holding on for a little longer

  to

  to try and shorten that time frame

  because of this stuff because they want

  well I just the thing we could put it up

  on on itunes that the insane frustration

  for me is that they have this HBO Go app

  which is actually pretty well done and

  it's a real paint to set up at first

  because it's not you they don't just

  want your money you can't just stay here

  let me pay you twenty dollars a month

  and watch all of your stuff you have to

  have like you said you have to have a

  cable subscription that has HBO right we

  do so you sign in i sign in with my

  comcast ID and a comcast password and

  HBO verifies it they've you know they've

  I guess it's one of the benefits of the

  fact that there's only a handful of

  giant cable companies now but you know

  comcast clearly a big one so I all of

  correction i'm sorry xfinity right

  that's what the comcast is the company

  and xfinity is that the cable service

  because everybody started associating

  comcast with crap but anyway but i have

  it be smart smart move there

  I have it will let you know that's the

  bed again the benefits of changing name

  but right exactly i have it and it works

  and so I can watch season two game of

  thrones on my ipad or iphone but I don't

  want to watch them on my ipad or iphone

  i have a big giant hundred sixty eight

  inch TV in my living room that I want to

  watch it on and it doesn't support

  airplay and it doesn't support the

  whatever the dingus you connect to the

  bottom you know the video out thing the

  thing you put you connected in the

  30-pin dock and then put an hdmi to your

  TV so you can hear it doesn't support

  that like it gives you this because i

  thought i was being clever and I thought

  that I thought that worked with anything

  I thought you could always mirror your

  iPad or iPhone onto the TV with that

  thing but you connect it when you fire

  up the HP HBO Go app and the system

  gives you this error that's sort of like

  the jackasses who run the company behind

  half you've given won't allow their

  content to go out over the hdmi cables

  that is connected to this iphone i know

  you can't believe this

  and I know that they've done all this

  stuff and verified that you've got a

  cable subscription that are already

  paying them and there's really no

  possible argument that could be made

  that preventing this from being played

  on the TV makes any sense whatsoever but

  you've got to believe us

  cancel or ok right

  do you have a gmail right yes but so

  what are you recorded on the tivo well

  one problem is that i started get i did

  the whole season one game of throne

  things after season to start so i

  mislike the first episode or something

  anyway any other problem okay so the

  other problem so you're so HBO Go shows

  you older stuff

  yes well no but you can also i no no no

  no HBO Go has all of the game of thrones

  like you can see it yeah that's that's

  what I mean it will show you but my tivo

  recording it from HBO can't go back in

  time to get right episode one of season

  that's that's once and the other problem

  that that we have is that we have a dual

  cablecard tivo yeah and one of the cable

  cards works perfectly and the second one

  works for anything except the HBO and it

  just gives you a black screen and you

  can tell the tivo hey that cable car

  doesn't get it so if fifty percent of

  the time we try to record something on

  HBO

  it's it's just black and everybody

  thinks well why don't you just call

  comcast and have this fixed and the

  reason is that we had guys out here like

  four times to get these they don't want

  to give you cablecard that's the thing

  and so when they send you it's super

  passive-aggressive and they send like

  their worst text and the guy never

  showed up with more than two cable cards

  and usually it would be like one didn't

  work at all and then he would say well

  you know what you want to do and i would

  say well that one doesn't work at all i

  would like to have to that work which is

  what I'm paying for anybody all right

  well would what they are going to be

  here schedule another guy to come out

  and then another guy would come out with

  two cable cards and would take the other

  two

  and i would say what can you just leave

  that one that seems to be working in and

  just replace the other one he said no no

  it's already been canceled because well

  soon as i showed up and I hit this

  button your old cable cards were di

  they're like sim card sort of my old sim

  card you know the old these old cable

  cars deactivated and you have to use

  these two and then one only got you know

  these channels and one didn't get the

  and that fourth time the guy had showed

  up again and i said i would say like

  four the fourth point can you tell the

  guy to bring more than two and they'd be

  like oh yeah I put a note in the thing

  bring a bunch of me and I shows up he's

  got to only 21 worked perfectly the

  other one worked with everything except

  HBO and Amy and I looked at each other

  like could you get out of here go go

  that's why I don't have game of thrones

  son on HBO

  but i have it on like HBO Go app and I

  can't hear play it to my TV even though

  it's right here and in the tvs right

  there at the time was a when coding that

  app they can choose to make the appt not

  airplane yep and they can also choose to

  make it not hdmi out enabled right which

  you know and I presume that if Apple

  hadn't made those things available that

  there would not be an H that they would

  rather not even have any would never

  have done it the first price because

  they don't want people right but i

  honestly can't see what they're what the

  argument is I like whoever it is who has

  that like yes or no I mean you are

  you're already paying for it on your and

  they verify it and they that it is i

  don't see write it I just feel like it

  would be like if I could find the guy at

  hbl who has the authority the guy who

  could say all right let's turn airplay

  on in next release

  I can make this happen if i say if I've

  signed my name on this line right here i

  would love to have an argument with that

  guy and see what he you know I I feel

  though that if they had the argument

  with him that his explanation he would

  use like biz dev terms that was your

  that would give me like like a headache

  like I wouldn't i would come out of it

  and not actually understand what he said

  like I would come out like I just

  the conversation in German which I don't

  speak it's just unbelievable

  I mean we don't we don't have cable

  anymore we got rid of it just I just

  said I was gonna buy everything off of

  itunes from now on I mean because I

  there's so much about broadcast

  television that makes me angry and and

  particularly about the cable companies

  that makes me angry that house that

  we're into coma though we have the nice

  thing is that we have actually have

  cable competition because the city has

  their own cable network so you can get

  cable TV through comcast or through the

  city of tacoma which is kind of nice

  because i feel like when i compare what

  we paid to what my parents are paying

  Connecticut it's just funny how that

  works

  that's absurd whatever yeah strangers in

  there that's the thing is the the hell

  of living in Philadelphia is that our

  city offers cable to call it was already

  called comcast oh yeah I walked right

  into it because we are of course cable

  time

  yeah how's that working out for you

  though I think giving the company the

  carpet no they're not having to not

  having cable without having or not

  having uh I pretty good we're obviously

  not watching as much baseball's we used

  to watch yeah and I can I could get that

  I could get them usually maybe then you

  wouldn't it wasn't here to let your

  teams you have a local seattle team

  right here certain that's right part of

  the problem so and then you know even if

  I could watch them be watching watching

  them lose so that's part of why i'm not

  watching too much television much

  baseball anymore either

  but yeah I mean I just we have worked

  out the math and i did just made before

  the amount of television that we were

  watching the amount of shows that we're

  watching it made more sense to buy them

  off of itunes then two then to pay 55

  bucks a month or whatever look and

  that's just to start

  I mean everybody i forget what yeah we

  were getting right we weren't getting

  any premium I mean many premium channels

  so

  we've got HBO but we don't have that

  then there's I don't know it's it's it's

  like trying to buy a car and there's

  seven different types of leather you can

  get for the sea I mean it's so

  complicated but we don't even have

  nearly the top tier of cable but we paid

  we do have HBO but we pay return item

  five hundred dollars a month or

  something ridiculous really stink that's

  a package

  yeah came with a hat you get you

  you can also not watch your shows by

  airplane right as part of the package

  xfinity yeah terrible name

  no it's not no it's not a good that a

  good name but I mean at the same time it

  probably was a good good idea on their

  part to name it something comcast night

  online cable town they should have gone

  with cable town they should just embrace

  it

  yes that's the name like the we're

  talking about ECAM the other day

  yeah that sounds good company

  nice guys name that sounds like it's

  from a different era that's what we were

  talking about how we got back on their

  the mac connection kick right ECAM

  sounds sort of like one of those em back

  at the catalog back of the maggots back

  of the magazine we sell everything and

  anything electronics sort of like radio

  shack without the class they never they

  never went full into that Reaper

  rebranding they were going to do

  Shaq Shaq yeah they did I forgot about

  that a little I think you like everyone

  will get a flier and it will say

  somewhere on the shack or something like

  that and you know that they those fliers

  that get stuck in the middle newspaper

  or the just dumped in the mail but I

  thought they were going to really like

  to the signs down and called the shack

  nope it's a darn shame all right I say

  we call the show

  alright alright thanks John John

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