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0:00:00we were at the Foo Fighters concert

0:00:01today that was fun i didn't know who

0:00:03fighters were you really didn't I did I

0:00:07i would just like who are these people

0:00:09I'm so used to you know some of the

0:00:11Steve Jobs people like norah jones and

0:00:14John Myatt was like who's van like I

0:00:18didn't know that was just gonna tell you

0:00:20how old I am

0:00:21hmm now that was a big one for me and

0:00:23i've i've come to a bunch of these were

0:00:24those guys and I like john meyer john

0:00:27mayer how do you pronounce it mayor he's

0:00:28John Mayer the CEO of Yahoo is marissa

0:00:31meyer right even though they spell it

0:00:32the same yeah I I appreciate him i do

0:00:36think he's like amazingly gifted

0:00:37guitarist like just amazing but I don't

0:00:41really love his music foo fighters is

0:00:42actually one of my favorite band so i

0:00:44was really kind of like blown away so

0:00:46they just really want to make you happy

0:00:48yeah now you know what I think it was to

0:00:49make my wife jealous because this was

0:00:51like the first time she's not really

0:00:53into all this stuff like maybe she wants

0:00:54a new iphone but she doesn't really care

0:00:55she's not really all that excited about

0:00:57apple and now today's the first time

0:00:58where she's like I think she was pretty

0:01:01jealous like i was there and she wasn't

0:01:03well I you know a lot of people enjoyed

0:01:06it

0:01:06no I was just reading that's all

0:01:09so I'm here today joined by ohm Alec

0:01:12what's your title what is your title

0:01:15I'm just the founder of key go no title

0:01:17no title

0:01:18you're just don't ya oh and out you know

0:01:21one of things I want to talk to you

0:01:22about is you have now you it is your

0:01:24name your name is own it's just spelled

0:01:26om but that's your Twitter handle ya biz

0:01:28aren't you get a lot of garbage just

0:01:30because it's only two characters and all

0:01:32you have no idea i am big in Indonesia

0:01:35it's just like I have no idea what it

0:01:39means in the language they use their but

0:01:41it's like a very common phrase and like

0:01:44my my @ replies are pretty useless at

0:01:48this point i right because I forget who

0:01:51I know who has there's one guy I know

0:01:52who has one of the rare one character

0:01:56twitter names kevin chang yeah because

0:02:01he's got @k right right right and his

0:02:04his replies feed is it it makes your

0:02:09head brain almost blow up because it's

0:02:10just the most random gibberish it looks

0:02:12like somebody

0:02:13their cat was standing on a keyboard I

0:02:16should send you some of the screenshots

0:02:18i'll have to look for it

0:02:20yeah so own last week before we get to

0:02:23the apple stuff that we're at the apple

0:02:24event were recording live or not live

0:02:27really but together in the same room

0:02:28which is unusual for the talk show

0:02:30usually I do this over skype we're here

0:02:32together in the beautiful mule radio

0:02:36network studio here in San Francisco

0:02:39pretty awesome it is it's actually a

0:02:42very Swank setup but before we get to

0:02:45today's stuff I want to talk about last

0:02:46week now last week the three things that

0:02:49I thought I could think of there was a

0:02:50motorola had an announcement and to me

0:02:54that's sort of like in hindsight so like

0:02:55I who cares really i mean is just any of

0:02:58those phones memorable i don't think so

0:03:00i don't even know why some why they

0:03:03bother are times i think they should

0:03:05focus on one or two things instead of

0:03:07trying to do too many things all these

0:03:10company just do so much like four

0:03:13without any idea why they're doing it

0:03:17what is their market watch their

0:03:19approach it just as frustrating to see

0:03:21really smart people make bad decisions

0:03:25next up speaking of bad decisions

0:03:28nokia mm same day and that stuff broke

0:03:34last week while i had John Smoltz on the

0:03:36air we kinda are known as the amazon

0:03:37stuff that broken while we're on the air

0:03:39but anyway nokia announced their stuff

0:03:40two new phones and really it first

0:03:46everybody had a thing like well what's

0:03:47the shipping date and what's the price

0:03:49and then as like the days went on a kind

0:03:52of became clear that they don't even

0:03:53know i think the biggest sign for a

0:03:56company in distress and a product which

0:03:59is not going to work is when they don't

0:04:01let you touch it right like if you have

0:04:04a real product which is going to ship

0:04:06people can buy you let people check it

0:04:10out people use it they want to let

0:04:12people do it which tells me it is not

0:04:15happening anytime soon

0:04:16and guess what in announcing this

0:04:18whatever little sales of windows phones

0:04:21they were going to have they've killed

0:04:23right it really just seems bizarre

0:04:27like as bad as it would be if you were

0:04:29nokia and your phone isn't ready yet

0:04:32here on sep tember 12 2012 your phone is

0:04:37not ready at whether it's the software

0:04:39the hardware everybody's not quite ready

0:04:40and you have to sit here and watch apple

0:04:42unveiled the new iphone 5 and start

0:04:46selling it two days from now and

0:04:48shipping at nine days from now and watch

0:04:51all these sales rack up and you've got

0:04:52to sit there and wait until your thing

0:04:54is ready

0:04:55I'd still would be better than what they

0:04:57did which is they made an announcement

0:04:59which did get a lot of attention but I i

0:05:02don't see if they're not going on sale

0:05:04until november i don't see how that it

0:05:06just seems like a disaster you called it

0:05:08i think you call it a shitshow yeah

0:05:10pretty much

0:05:10that's exactly what it did i do think

0:05:13that Nokia as a company whose expertise

0:05:18I've covered Nokia's and maybe 96 and

0:05:22like very faithfully I've always enjoyed

0:05:24their products love their phones

0:05:27I used to be the only reporter out there

0:05:29talking about Nicki Evans the the razor

0:05:33was the shit right and I always felt as

0:05:37a company they knew how to make great

0:05:39products they knew they had a great

0:05:42logistics in a team then you have to put

0:05:45products together get them out to market

0:05:47in time built to scale

0:05:49I don't know what happened ever since

0:05:51the new CEO came Stephen Elop the

0:05:54company's lost the ability to do just

0:05:56that

0:05:57forget breathing the new software I can

0:05:59understand having crisis of confidence

0:06:01and your operating system in your

0:06:04product a unit roadmap but how can you

0:06:07not be able to ship the only thing you

0:06:10do you only make phone then you can get

0:06:12them out on time I mean somebody should

0:06:14be fired and it should start at the CEO

0:06:17and then the boat like I just think the

0:06:19whole board has to go because they're

0:06:21letting this screen and nonsense go on

0:06:23with an iconic brand of our time I love

0:06:26nokia and to see you die the way it is

0:06:29dying

0:06:30it just is unreal the last time I saw

0:06:33brand like this dye digital em remember

0:06:36them

0:06:36yeah what a great laptops they used to

0:06:39take nobody bought them but it's the

0:06:42same thing with me and my opinion and

0:06:45then they got caught faking up the

0:06:48photos and videos from the device now

0:06:51and all kind of it is not excusable but

0:06:54it makes sense it's because the software

0:06:56wasn't ready

0:06:57you know so they had to make these

0:06:58promotional videos before the software

0:07:00but the whole thing is that they've

0:07:02rushed this announcement to the degree

0:07:04that they somehow convince themselves

0:07:05that it was okay to shoot a demo video

0:07:10showing the image stabilization of the

0:07:12video not using the actual phone itself

0:07:16you know because it's it's it's like

0:07:19that one bad decision to will come hell

0:07:22or high water we're going to announce

0:07:23that the first week of September whether

0:07:25it's ready or not leads to all of these

0:07:27other problems as a direct result like

0:07:30once you start with that that rotten

0:07:32decision now you've got phones that you

0:07:34don't let the press handle at the event

0:07:37you-you-you fake the camera stills and

0:07:42videos you've got a ship date that's two

0:07:46months out at maybe if they're lucky

0:07:49so the way I think about John I think

0:07:53it's they're working from position of

0:07:56weakness right they're always playing

0:07:58catch-up for him so they never really

0:08:00will catch up

0:08:01I think that's the problem they have

0:08:04done everything possible to try and

0:08:07catch up with apple and android and they

0:08:09haven't been able to and that's just as

0:08:11a problem right like instead of trying

0:08:14to like they're they have a lot of great

0:08:18people at nokia I still talk to many of

0:08:21the employees there's a lot of smart

0:08:23engineers and they're smart software

0:08:25people smart you I people i love many of

0:08:28the people i know that unfortunately the

0:08:31company's unable to leapfrog like its

0:08:34own you know short come i think it just

0:08:37is now we hit a point of just like it

0:08:40doesn't know how to go forward I think

0:08:43you just is stuck and like you said it's

0:08:45really it just comes down to simple

0:08:47execution that they they no longer seem

0:08:49able to ship a phone on time

0:08:51and and say we will about samsung

0:08:52samsung has come from a position where

0:08:57when the iphone ship five years ago was

0:08:59not one of the leading phone makers

0:09:01maybe by numbers but they weren't really

0:09:02a known for smartphones certainly yeah i

0:09:05think that the like somebody showed on

0:09:06Twitter the other day that the picture

0:09:08Steve Jobs showed of here's what today

0:09:11this is five years ago 2007 here's what

0:09:13today's leading smartphones look like

0:09:16and they all look the same and it was

0:09:18the Motorola was at the q i think i'm in

0:09:22the queue or the blackjack but was a

0:09:23motorola a palm a blackberry and a nokia

0:09:29those were the four and think about

0:09:31what's happening to all for those

0:09:33companies in the last five years palms

0:09:35out of business

0:09:36they're gone I rim is circling the

0:09:40toilet

0:09:41motorola got sold to google I mean and

0:09:46really saw its you know leadership it in

0:09:49the handset numbers really diminish I

0:09:51mean they're really know where I mean

0:09:53they're not even the leading android

0:09:54handset maker I don't think it's even

0:09:57close and then nokia is the last one and

0:09:59boy it really seems like you know the

0:10:01only reason that they're not as in bad

0:10:03position as the other three is that they

0:10:05were so far ahead they had so much

0:10:08farther to fall so i think the the the

0:10:12game of you know smartphones is that a

0:10:15scale right like Apple s scale and

0:10:18Samsung as scale because they have scale

0:10:21they can introduce interesting complex

0:10:23technologies into their devices make

0:10:26them interesting and sell to the people

0:10:29and still make money whereas smaller

0:10:32companies are always working on

0:10:34razor-thin margins which which is really

0:10:37hard for them because they're always all

0:10:39these little guys are in position of

0:10:41weakness right like Samsung at scale

0:10:43because their own so much after the

0:10:46supply chain they they make the chips

0:10:49that you know the the screens that flash

0:10:52memory the whole nine yards right so

0:10:55they can bring scale there an apple as

0:10:57Bart the future supplies or so they have

0:11:01skills whereas all the other guys they

0:11:02don't have scale

0:11:03if they don't have a scale they don't

0:11:05have margin if you don't have margins

0:11:07you're not gonna be in the business I

0:11:08mean it just is there you know they're

0:11:10all on the long road to nowhere

0:11:12that's that's the bottom line right now

0:11:14and I think Nokia was the one company

0:11:16that really we should maybe even should

0:11:18still today being a position to have

0:11:20managed that sort of scale because

0:11:21they've shipped i think literally in

0:11:24their history billions of funds i think

0:11:26they've shipped over a billion phones

0:11:28I mean of some sort of you know some

0:11:29kind of mobile phones but maybe they're

0:11:31not smart phones but they know how to

0:11:33ship it scale people always part of them

0:11:35as a phone company they're actually a

0:11:37logistics company said they had the best

0:11:39logistics amongst all mobile phone

0:11:42makers that's why the event but they got

0:11:44addicted to making those cheap feature

0:11:47phones so much right that they forgot

0:11:49where the money comes from

0:11:51they just looked at the wrong numbers

0:11:52this is the classic spreadsheet

0:11:55jockeying which happens to companies i I

0:11:59just feel bad like there's just so many

0:12:01great people on the upside all these

0:12:04great engineers are leaving nokia and

0:12:06starting companies and thinking

0:12:07innovative things so that might actually

0:12:10help our their home country a lot more

0:12:12in the future right like maybe they're

0:12:14worth more

0:12:15just as the talent broken at ya doing

0:12:18new things I think finland has some of

0:12:20the best engineers so you could see some

0:12:23interesting innovation coming out of

0:12:25there i just heard from somebody who's

0:12:28making some kind of an electric racing

0:12:31car and they're from being a friendly

0:12:33and they're going to come see me in a

0:12:34couple of weeks pretty fun to see what

0:12:36they're doing

0:12:37I think it and you know one of the

0:12:39things with its fun about getting

0:12:41together for an event like this when I

0:12:42fly in to town I get to see a bunch of

0:12:45people i don't see on a regular basis

0:12:46face-to-face is you know we just started

0:12:48geeking out talking you know phones

0:12:50phone stuff for you know whatever's on

0:12:52our minds and i'll tell you what i mean

0:12:53everybody has talked to today I mean

0:12:55it's almost unanimous they'll say

0:12:57everybody feels bad about Nokia's future

0:13:00and feels that they've really botched

0:13:02the this year's new Lumias these that

0:13:05they do know that the timing is just off

0:13:07they botched it but everybody it's

0:13:09almost unanimous agrees that they're the

0:13:11only company that is competing with

0:13:13apple in terms of quality of fit and

0:13:15finish for the devices that

0:13:17before you even turn it on and talk

0:13:19about the software just the phone is off

0:13:22it in your hand it's arguably be you

0:13:24know as good as any phone in the market

0:13:25always has to be right every i still

0:13:28have all my nokia phones

0:13:30I don't want to throw each one of them

0:13:32away like I love they did the port this

0:13:34still work like nothing has gone wrong

0:13:37yeah you don't have one of them you gave

0:13:38me you sent me 70 and several years ago

0:13:41I never sent it back to you

0:13:42that's okay you can have very consented

0:13:45to the cellphone museum or something and

0:13:49then the other big announcement last

0:13:50week was amazon now there's a company

0:13:52who I think I really think that they

0:13:54have their act together and you wrote

0:13:55something nice on

0:13:57I like the pc wrote on your your own dot

0:14:00co website which is amazingly short URL

0:14:05yeah it's kind of awesome but you said

0:14:08it was pretty short but you more or less

0:14:09just said that you think Jeff Jeff Bezos

0:14:11is the the heir-apparent to steve jobs

0:14:15in the industry

0:14:16it was a little uncomfortable thing to

0:14:18write right you know I was like a virgin

0:14:20you know having being an Apple watch her

0:14:24for a long time I felt a little queasy

0:14:27writing that because you know there is

0:14:29one steve jobs but i think there is only

0:14:32one chef measles there's very few people

0:14:35like him who are willing to be wrong in

0:14:38public I steve was willing to take

0:14:42chances and that's what made him steal

0:14:45like you know yes he was a perfectionist

0:14:47and all those things and Jeff is willing

0:14:50to take chances on things which may look

0:14:53completely outrageous like you know you

0:14:56know seven years ago

0:14:58amazon web services from amazon cloud

0:15:00services to make much sense to a lot of

0:15:03people but it made sense to him and his

0:15:06team and look how they're changing the

0:15:08economics of startups and same thing is

0:15:11with kindle when the kindle came out the

0:15:13idea of like who wants to read the

0:15:15e-book readers were like so maligned at

0:15:17that time right and the cab trying and

0:15:20trying to the garden right and i think

0:15:21this is what I like about them is that

0:15:24they believe in something in the long

0:15:26term

0:15:27they actually try i wish they made more

0:15:29money like Apple but hey that's another

0:15:32story for another day

0:15:34yeah they've obviously got some kind of

0:15:35they've got a plan in that regard I

0:15:37don't know what it I don't see it but

0:15:39they've you know they're clear

0:15:40I guess the way I put it is that they're

0:15:44not making that much in profit but they

0:15:47don't seem to be trying to make much in

0:15:49profit it's not like they're trying and

0:15:50falling short it seems like they're kind

0:15:52of shooting for this growth and revenue

0:15:56growth and kind of just get enough

0:16:00profit to keep it in the black all right

0:16:01that seems to be their goal and that's

0:16:03what they're hitting it seems like a

0:16:04weird strategy to me but it does it

0:16:08doesn't seem like they're failing right

0:16:09you know i like what you don't like

0:16:11which was like way which is actually

0:16:14pretty insightful that that Jeff Bezos

0:16:19is special mostly because he's not

0:16:22trying to reach steve jobs but I think

0:16:25like a lot of people forget that being

0:16:27original is much harder than being a

0:16:30copy guy right like you're never gonna

0:16:32be the next Bob Dylan if you're trying

0:16:34to make your voice sound like Bob Dylan

0:16:35like you've got to make your voice sound

0:16:38as unique as bob dylan's you know this

0:16:41it's the only way and so it's a weird

0:16:43way like the only way to be like steve

0:16:45jobs is to not be like steve jobs but to

0:16:48have his sort of aspects of his

0:16:52personality like that you see these

0:16:54things that nobody else sees and you

0:16:55don't care if everybody thinks them

0:16:57they're wrong if you think they're right

0:16:58you're just going to pursue it

0:17:00dogged Lee until you get it done and I

0:17:03totally see that with with basis i also

0:17:05like agree with what you say where he's

0:17:07not afraid to be wrong and if he is he's

0:17:11gonna fix it or try to fix it at least

0:17:13and not just go into denial and pretend

0:17:18he's not wrong so I thought for example

0:17:19with the kindle fires last week watching

0:17:21after having watched the announcement

0:17:23event I almost didn't say was wrong but

0:17:26I kind of think he did it seem like

0:17:28maybe he took the criticism to heart

0:17:29that the last year's kindle fire was

0:17:31really rather poorly reviewed as it just

0:17:34as a gadget in terms of the interface

0:17:36and and how laggy the screen is

0:17:39and so I feel like he really emphasize

0:17:43that a couple times in the any event

0:17:45last week where he said last year we

0:17:47tried to be the best tablet at a certain

0:17:49price this year we're trying to be the

0:17:51best tablet at any price

0:17:53you know I never really you know they

0:17:54put the work in and put in a really nice

0:17:56IPS display with a really nice at least

0:18:00retina dish quality resolution he said

0:18:05you know they know you they said the

0:18:07event that the likeness is not there but

0:18:09I saw it you know seems like the reviews

0:18:11are little mix from the people who had

0:18:13hands-on but at least they're trying

0:18:14right i mean I i played with it for

0:18:17about 20 hours i had it for three days

0:18:20the new one the kindle fire that sent

0:18:23you one but another i wrote a review as

0:18:26well I'm actually a pretty balanced view

0:18:29in my in my opinion had I never used an

0:18:32ipad and had an ipad not existed it

0:18:35would actually be okay device to buy for

0:18:38me i'm not talking about other people i

0:18:40I am so I I you I use iPad as my primary

0:18:44computer so imma just a little bit

0:18:47biased in that sense however there's a

0:18:50lot of challenges the silk browser isn't

0:18:52up to snuff there is a lag it mean and

0:18:56it's perceptible but like the email

0:18:59client is like pretty shoddy however if

0:19:02you are

0:19:03amazon digital content buyer like I am

0:19:06man that thing is pretty good like you

0:19:09know the books are quick to you know

0:19:11access amazon cloud player is pretty

0:19:14awesome the amazon prime is with videos

0:19:17is great like I'll all those things are

0:19:20great it's an easy to hold in your hand

0:19:22you know it the battery life is pretty

0:19:24decent the Wi-Fi is pretty decent

0:19:26however it i just feel that for all

0:19:30those purposes $200 is just too much i

0:19:34think they should be at giving it away

0:19:35to people who have amazon prime for free

0:19:38right

0:19:39I wonder if I wonder how strong and

0:19:42where they must have thought about that

0:19:43or at least at least offered it at a

0:19:47profound discount too and I know that he

0:19:49said explicitly during the event and

0:19:51even in

0:19:52you afterwards basis that they reject

0:19:55that razors and blade business model

0:19:58where you lose money on a selling the

0:20:00thing up front and then make it up by

0:20:01selling you know the blades and serrated

0:20:04in the tech industry that's the printing

0:20:06model right you sell the printer at a

0:20:08ridiculously low cost and then you make

0:20:10all of your money by selling

0:20:11ridiculously overpriced in container

0:20:14I mean HP even sells paper i'm out i

0:20:18wonder how much paper h peace sells but

0:20:20by selling the stuff that you put in the

0:20:22printer and he says that they reject

0:20:25that so that they price things to the I

0:20:27I get the feeling like what he's saying

0:20:29is that in terms of like when you buy a

0:20:32kindle fire from amazon they make about

0:20:35as much money on it as they do when they

0:20:37sell you anything on amazon a little bit

0:20:39little bit of profit right well I

0:20:42thought you know it would make sense

0:20:44that if you buy a lot of books like I do

0:20:47by a lot of books from them and it would

0:20:49make sense for them to make me more

0:20:52addicted to buying books on kindle fire

0:20:55by creating an even more addictive

0:20:58buying experience and I think if they

0:21:00kill their business model around that

0:21:03this thing could actually be pretty ok

0:21:06for them in my opinion I do like what

0:21:08they've done so far though I you know I

0:21:10wouldn't dismiss it

0:21:11I have a lot of respect for that company

0:21:13they haven't copied Apple they haven't

0:21:17just followed the android heard they've

0:21:20done their own think and I think that is

0:21:22that has to be larger you have to

0:21:24applaud people who are trying to do

0:21:27something different and on top of that

0:21:29they're actually putting a product out

0:21:32in the market which can actually buy and

0:21:33not not like talk about it that's it

0:21:37it's so funny that we have to praise

0:21:38them for the hell yea me I it so it's so

0:21:42frustrating as that for the longest time

0:21:44I've always wondered like why do you

0:21:47call your event a launch event when the

0:21:49product is not in the market like just

0:21:51say we are announcing this product

0:21:53that's it end of story is just it's like

0:21:56it's my pet peeve units been and it's

0:21:59not since today like almost in 15 years

0:22:01I've always wondered like okay maybe my

0:22:05understanding of English language is

0:22:07very literal but that doesn't make any

0:22:09sense to me right and it almost comes

0:22:11back to the literal meaning of the verb

0:22:14launch right where if if there's like a

0:22:16ship and you're going to have that

0:22:17ceremony where you break the champagne

0:22:19bottle against it and like people want

0:22:21to see the boat going down water nothing

0:22:23you know if it's shrinking it's okay or

0:22:25like a launch event for like NASA you

0:22:27know it's like people want the rocket

0:22:29ship to go up in the air that you don't

0:22:30want to see just well you know be ready

0:22:32in a couple of yeah i will let you know

0:22:34thanks for coming now yeah alright now

0:22:37alright let me away you know one more

0:22:40thing on amazon is is the other thing

0:22:42that struck me and as the week is gone

0:22:44on it really seems and today's apple

0:22:46event sort of clarified it even further

0:22:48with the second half of the event today

0:22:50is just how us-centric amazon's

0:22:54approaches at least for now

0:22:57like they really only sell the candles

0:23:00in the u.s. especially the kindle fire

0:23:03and the reason why and at this baffled

0:23:06me last year I was definitely lost I

0:23:07just thought maybe they just didn't have

0:23:09their act together but now I see that

0:23:11it's it's it's not because the they

0:23:14don't want to sell the kindle or kindle

0:23:17fire to anybody they only want to sell

0:23:18the kindle fire to someone who is likely

0:23:21to buy a lot of music and books and TV

0:23:24shows and so if you live in a country

0:23:26where they don't have movies and TV

0:23:28shows they don't want to stay won't even

0:23:29say the device because they're not going

0:23:31to make money i do think this set of

0:23:33Kindo readers across the world yeah the

0:23:36reader i guess they do and I guess

0:23:37that's because the the right to books

0:23:40are so much less entered tangled with

0:23:43stupid bullshit and laws as movies and

0:23:46music music and movies are our way more

0:23:49region control i mean just think about

0:23:52the way DVD's work with the stupid the

0:23:55the region coding so you can even play

0:23:58the same DVD in one country is another

0:24:00the one thing you know i will upload

0:24:02amazon for that they were not a gadget

0:24:05company 34 years ago maybe five years

0:24:09ago now there are full-on gadget company

0:24:11and kind of pretty telling how much they

0:24:15have some other cool stuff you know what

0:24:17they're working on down and who

0:24:18patina yeah and they also a couple of

0:24:23years ago we're not really a digital

0:24:25content company either i mean they

0:24:27really started as I mean I I'm soul i

0:24:29still think of them as starting as a

0:24:31bookstore that all they sold was books

0:24:33but just brought a little bit they

0:24:36started as an online retailer warehouses

0:24:39full of physical goods and a website

0:24:42where you could find them by them easily

0:24:45and review them and then you know two

0:24:49days later is knock on your door and

0:24:51there's the thing but i'm i'm curious

0:24:57how hard they're working on expanding

0:25:00the movies and TV shows and stuff like

0:25:02that to more countries like Apple has I

0:25:05i would think that they must but maybe

0:25:07that's just a much harder problem that

0:25:09i'm thinking i think it's a pretty

0:25:11complex problem and they are there are

0:25:14they are in UK now so and they are in

0:25:16Europe they're making headway there

0:25:18they're competing with netflix in the

0:25:20inn in Europe but it's not that easy i

0:25:23mean we like to think it's very easy but

0:25:25the right so now it's a mess and you

0:25:27know i would i would give them full

0:25:29marks for trying and you know in a year

0:25:31the this is the great thing about Amazon

0:25:35the Amazon of today is going to be very

0:25:37different you know from the Amazon off a

0:25:40year ago and next year it will be an

0:25:41entirely different thing I think that's

0:25:44one of the things which i like about

0:25:45that companies to lick the ability to

0:25:47constantly change and totally see that

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0:27:57yeah you're a watch guy to I am I my

0:28:00love watches

0:28:00yeah you always have an interesting

0:28:02watch yeah i like i like you a little

0:28:05life you need to have a little analog

0:28:08you know we had to digital in our lives

0:28:10yeah I where I were an analog watch as

0:28:12well I like our traditional stuff I like

0:28:14people to make things with hands and you

0:28:17know the craftsmanship is it something

0:28:19we need to celebrate in our society we

0:28:21just start like so mechanized and so

0:28:24mass-produced that we don't appreciate

0:28:26the little things people do their hand I

0:28:30i totally agree with that I feel like

0:28:34it's like everything like i always feel

0:28:36like it's at the extremes that

0:28:38everything is most interesting at the

0:28:40biggest or the smallest you know the

0:28:43newest stuff the oldest stuff that's

0:28:45where stuff

0:28:45is most interesting and I feel like

0:28:47that's a good point I I kind of feel

0:28:49like the stuff like the iphone where

0:28:50there's like 20 million of them on a

0:28:52ship airplane coming out of China that's

0:28:55interesting but like a watch that was

0:28:57put together by hand

0:28:59you know by a guy just putting all these

0:29:02putting this whole thing together piece

0:29:04by piece that's fascinating to III go

0:29:07look for all vintage watches I like I

0:29:10spend a lot of time looking for that

0:29:12that's one like my one like I gave up

0:29:14smoking drinking so i gotta do something

0:29:18and I have some kind of everybody needs

0:29:20advice like yeah so

0:29:21antique watches what I look for ya so

0:29:25let's let's get into today's apple event

0:29:27and while we're talking about watches

0:29:29let's do it in in sort of the opposite

0:29:31order Apple did where I the one day I

0:29:34came away thinking and I don't I can't

0:29:36ever recall an apple event that was

0:29:37point like this where it really was to

0:29:40events it was two very distinct events

0:29:43separated way like a half time where the

0:29:45first event was iphone 5 with Phil

0:29:48Schiller and Scott Forstall and then

0:29:51that was it and actually almost felt

0:29:53like it was over missouri mo I thought

0:29:55maybe it was over I really did when Tim

0:29:56Cook came back out and then he says now

0:30:01we're going to talk about ipods and

0:30:02music and jaws comes out and Eddy Cue

0:30:06come out and it was like a second event

0:30:08so let's do that one first let's do the

0:30:09ipod and itunes in the music stuff first

0:30:12because one of the casualties of today's

0:30:18announcement the new ipods is that whole

0:30:20market of using an ipod nano as a

0:30:23wristwatch because they've gotten rid of

0:30:25that that that sort of watch sighs nano

0:30:28I don't know that that was a very big

0:30:32market I think it was a big market they

0:30:34wouldn't have gotten rid of it but it

0:30:36it's one thing like a hawk couple people

0:30:39cooks filing out of the the hands-on

0:30:41area like everybody sort of had a wait a

0:30:42minute isn't this this means all those

0:30:44wristwatch things are dead are I would

0:30:47say there's a premium on them now

0:30:49mmm think in those terms that's the

0:30:51thing with watches the older they get

0:30:53the raider they become more expensive

0:30:55they get so maybe you should run to the

0:30:58idea

0:30:59store and get a couple of those nanos

0:31:00did you did you ever try wearing an Anna

0:31:02was watching that it's too digital from

0:31:04right like I'm not like i have enough

0:31:06digital watches around me that I don't

0:31:09need another one on my wrist

0:31:10i bought the one on Kickstarter I think

0:31:13it was the tick-tock na and i bought it

0:31:17knowing that I wasn't gonna like it

0:31:19i bought it because i wanted i thought

0:31:20it was a great idea and i just love the

0:31:22idea of a couple of guys making her own

0:31:24hardware and you know I just like I just

0:31:27love the night sometimes I back

0:31:29Kickstarter projects that i don't really

0:31:30want myself but I just want them to

0:31:32succeed that's why did and I I tried it

0:31:35and it's you know it failed for the

0:31:37exact reasons that I thought it would is

0:31:39I can't stand having a watch where the

0:31:42time isn't always displayed you have to

0:31:43hit a button to wake it up it's like

0:31:45that defeats the whole point if I was

0:31:47willing to do that i would just take my

0:31:48phone out of my pocket and hit a button

0:31:50which is what everybody who doesn't wear

0:31:52a watch does to find out what time is

0:31:53right I i do the same thing and

0:31:56Kickstarter I just support a lot of

0:31:58projects in a most like sometimes I look

0:32:02for electronic music project gadgets

0:32:04whatever it's just I kind of feel it's

0:32:06the same thing i have about our

0:32:08traditional stuff that is very few

0:32:10people who are very creative in this

0:32:12world we have to support them and you

0:32:15know I had that watch them do the trick

0:32:17for me i dunno people bought them like

0:32:20in by the Lord's and and i love the tik

0:32:23tok guys they're pretty creative punch

0:32:25card Wilson is the name I think he's

0:32:28just such a great designer like that

0:32:31product he did was just awesome

0:32:33yeah I don't know I think maybe maybe it

0:32:37can come back after if you you know few

0:32:39years they can bring it back that the

0:32:42ipod nano or something

0:32:43I know there's a lot of talk about the

0:32:46variable in a wrist computing and like I

0:32:49just wonder if like we might see you

0:32:52come back and I partner i wonder i don't

0:32:55know i see i think that was the other

0:32:56problem the other fundamental problem

0:32:58with that whole idea of wearing a nano

0:32:59as a wristwatch was that the nano

0:33:01because it wasn't designed for that

0:33:03didn't have any kind of wireless

0:33:07connectivity you know like I feel like

0:33:10the whole idea

0:33:12it falls short if it doesn't have any

0:33:16actual a digital information on all the

0:33:18head was time really and you know then

0:33:20songs that you had already loaded on it

0:33:22whereas announced its slipping my mind

0:33:24right now but I've already back then

0:33:26there's a kickstarter project for this

0:33:27watch

0:33:28let's have 0 what is called pebble

0:33:30pebble that's it right the pebble watch

0:33:32which uses like this it's not quite the

0:33:35ink but it's like II think so its low

0:33:37power and it can stay on all the time

0:33:39but it uses bluetooth so that it can

0:33:43communicate to smartphone and stuff like

0:33:45that again I don't know that i'm going

0:33:47to really love that pebble watch I think

0:33:49it's too big i kind of don't really even

0:33:51like digital watches i kinda like an

0:33:53analog watch but i did i've supported

0:33:56them because I do want to see them drive

0:33:58and I love the idea of a small start-up

0:34:00taking a shot at a big problem like that

0:34:01but I feel like they're on the right

0:34:03track in a way that the Nano is a watch

0:34:06never could be because it actually has

0:34:07the bluetooth and is communicating you

0:34:10know you're getting data i think these

0:34:12states if you're making devices and they

0:34:14don't have networking like they don't

0:34:16have connectivity built into them

0:34:17they're pretty pointless

0:34:20I just feel pretty strongly about that I

0:34:23I don't really like one of the biggest

0:34:26one of the things i have is the sony

0:34:28camera sony nex-5 and it doesn't have

0:34:31built-in Wi-Fi and I have to use like I

0:34:35Phi and all those other hacks to you

0:34:38know make it work and it just is like

0:34:39it's just not a seamless experience i

0:34:42wish they had and which is why i always

0:34:44end up using my iphone for taking

0:34:46pictures just because it's just so much

0:34:48more convenient you can just take

0:34:51pictures and boom share them upload them

0:34:53to whatever i think that's that's the

0:34:56key difference is sort of agree with

0:34:59what do you think of the the new ipods

0:35:01today so I love the the new I ipod touch

0:35:07they introduce my money my nephews and

0:35:11nieces are getting that instead of

0:35:13getting an iphone i was considering

0:35:16sending them an iphone but i think the

0:35:19ipod touches just just a good option and

0:35:22i think it could have a pretty serious

0:35:26his impact on the at home gaming

0:35:30business the consult

0:35:33I like it gets pretty ready it's very

0:35:35powerful it has airplane built into it

0:35:38it can have an impact like you know if

0:35:41they could do if Apple could sell the

0:35:45ipod TV for cheaper like four forty nine

0:35:48dollars right they could actually have a

0:35:50serious console competitor I literally

0:35:54like that the the other the ipod nano i

0:35:58don't know like I'm not I've never

0:36:01really cared for that product and this

0:36:03one too

0:36:04I'm not all that impressed by i think

0:36:06one of the things that's interesting is

0:36:08so one of the things I've seen already

0:36:10and you know with there wasn't really

0:36:13much of a surprise with the iphone five

0:36:15but now that we've seen its official

0:36:17here's what it really is and there's

0:36:18sort of the backlash against it the the

0:36:21negative take that I've seen is its

0:36:23there's nothing new here it's just the

0:36:25same thing it was but better and I say

0:36:29duh thats you know when you have like

0:36:31the most popular product in the history

0:36:33of the tech industry you know you

0:36:35probably don't want to change it that

0:36:36much but as much as the iphone i really

0:36:40do think you could argue and I don't I i

0:36:42don't mean that I mean this is a

0:36:43compliment not as a complaint that it's

0:36:45the exact same idea is the original

0:36:47iphone from five years ago just improved

0:36:50year over year over year one year at a

0:36:53time faster better screen thinner

0:36:56lighter you compare that to the ipod

0:37:00nano where it really when they showed

0:37:02the history of the device it's like they

0:37:04really are all over the place you know

0:37:06in form factor and dimensions and even

0:37:10in terms of like just what is it meant

0:37:12for like is shouldn't be able to play

0:37:15video and it didn't and then it did and

0:37:17then didn't and now it does again it's

0:37:20like that that's a pretty big feature

0:37:21that they just keep you know that

0:37:23they're they're using the same name but

0:37:25they're really inventing like all new

0:37:26products for this thing every year to

0:37:28right yeah you're right about that i was

0:37:32surprised by the use of color yellow

0:37:35it's like what's with the yellow man

0:37:37like I mean I'd like I

0:37:38don't want yellow device I'm sorry yeah

0:37:40I would never buy we have to say yellow

0:37:42would probably be the last one I would

0:37:44buy like you have to be really special

0:37:46person to buy yellow device i want to do

0:37:48they call it yellow i'm not even sure

0:37:50they call you or do they call it gold

0:37:51whatever they might call it some

0:37:53ridiculous name but it's still yellow

0:37:56yeah I you know so one thing which the

0:37:59observation i had of the event today

0:38:01especially from the ipod spectrum is

0:38:05that how much of the unification of

0:38:08design and manufacturing process and

0:38:10materials has happened across all apple

0:38:14products they vary anodised aluminium

0:38:16very simply a very the lines are very

0:38:20laser card ready straight everything has

0:38:23that uniformity I think that's something

0:38:26very unique this time I saw which is

0:38:29pretty interesting i think the only

0:38:31thing which actually looks out of place

0:38:33now at the ipad yeah maybe a little bit

0:38:36the ipad one was actually more closer to

0:38:40this design language than the new one

0:38:44yeah and one thing with the with the

0:38:46iphone and the ipod touch for the first

0:38:50five years up until today if you looked

0:38:52at them straight on when they did look a

0:38:54lot like the same thing you know it's

0:38:56the same exact sort of thing but when

0:38:59you turn around look at the back

0:39:00they looked totally different yeah

0:39:02although always from the beginning where

0:39:04the ipod touch always had this sort of

0:39:06classic ipod shiny metal back like the

0:39:12the fingerprint smudge material and the

0:39:16i phone always had is buried you know

0:39:20the original one was that bead blasted

0:39:22the lunar morever and then there were

0:39:23the two years where they had the black

0:39:24plastic and and now it was glass with

0:39:30the iphone 4 and 4s but now they seem to

0:39:32be like you said there's a very the

0:39:35colors are different but there's a very

0:39:37similar material aesthetic right you

0:39:42know the same exact aluminum so somebody

0:39:46I spoke to like not you know it's like

0:39:48not I I don't know enough to kind of

0:39:51write a blog post

0:39:52it's about it but apparently I'm told

0:39:54that Apple currently has some of the

0:39:57best materials engineers in the world

0:40:00working for it i would be surprised by

0:40:03that and that is why you can see this

0:40:06uniformity like so they've actually just

0:40:09as they spend a lot of money making

0:40:11their own chips they have spent a lot of

0:40:13time making their own like material

0:40:17decision and you can see it like i can

0:40:19and and the the the Retina Display

0:40:21MacBook Pro is actually like the

0:40:25epicenter of this design language of

0:40:28this product design language which is

0:40:29something very unique i haven't seen it

0:40:32in many other products except maybe I've

0:40:35seen it like when when you look at the

0:40:37high end cars they do that they are very

0:40:40similar materials to use

0:40:41across-the-board like companies once it

0:40:44started using carbon fiber it starts to

0:40:47become part of their whole manufacturing

0:40:49process so that's one thing i noticed in

0:40:52in this presentation today

0:40:54yeah did you catch the part in the the

0:40:56design video for the iphone 5 where they

0:40:59talked about the diamond cutter

0:41:01yeah that cuts the they called the Sham

0:41:03fur here that slight edge slight

0:41:07diagonal edge that takes the sharpness

0:41:09of the the sides and it when you look at

0:41:16that part of the phone it's it's really

0:41:18kind of stunning it it's just this tiny

0:41:21little edge and it is so impossibly

0:41:25shiny actually looks shinier than the

0:41:26glass you know it's it's amazing like

0:41:31they have done such interesting work on

0:41:34on manufacturing production materials i

0:41:37wish i could talk to those guys

0:41:39yeah they just never let you talk to the

0:41:42night there just aren't like that is in

0:41:45my opinion that is the real work

0:41:47Apple doing Nov we get all caught up in

0:41:50the features an hour faster processors

0:41:53but I get totally excited about all

0:41:56these like you know manufacturing

0:41:59nerdiness a little bit like that i think

0:42:03the ipad i'm sorry the IP

0:42:06hard nano is an interesting product I I

0:42:10just him not something i'm going to

0:42:13think about a lot

0:42:14no not mean I will say this though too

0:42:17though it now that it has a slightly

0:42:18bigger screen i know that the you know

0:42:20the last year's model had the the iOS

0:42:23style interface but now that has a

0:42:25bigger screen and it has a home button

0:42:27it really does feel like a tiny little

0:42:31iphone and it's not running iOS as far

0:42:35so far as anybody knows i think it's the

0:42:36same embedded OS is the old nanos but

0:42:39it's so clearly shares the same physics

0:42:43algorithms as iOS like when you're in

0:42:46the settings app and you get scroll down

0:42:48and you get to the bottom the bounce is

0:42:50like it's the iphone bounce and when you

0:42:52stretch at the top of a scrolling list

0:42:54it stretches the exact same way that

0:42:57list i mean it it could not feel more

0:42:59like iOS i mean that's that's the

0:43:02experience they have to offer like

0:43:04across-the-board otherwise like what's

0:43:07the point of having a design philosophy

0:43:09and design language when all your

0:43:11products are not unified around that do

0:43:14you think it would make sense in a year

0:43:15or two if they could to make a device

0:43:17like that the ipod nano but that did run

0:43:21iOS so they could open up apps for it

0:43:23yeah I think they should do that and in

0:43:27fact connectivity should be part of it

0:43:29like I just believe no apps

0:43:32let's say this is the lie this is I've

0:43:34been talking about this for a long time

0:43:36in order for a device to be successful

0:43:38it has to have two elements it has to

0:43:41have connectivity and it has to have

0:43:44usability usability comes from services

0:43:47in case of Apple those services are apps

0:43:50and connectivity is what makes those

0:43:54services alive and more services you

0:43:57have more you use your device

0:44:00the more you use it the more you wanted

0:44:02more likely to break it or by an upgrade

0:44:04so that's key think that's the the

0:44:07philosophy they need to have i'm pretty

0:44:09sure that's the philosophy they have we

0:44:11just don't know i don't think that you

0:44:13would ever want to type on a device like

0:44:15that like I think it would have to be

0:44:17like not

0:44:19the iphones version of iOS running

0:44:21smaller it would have to be like a new

0:44:23branch you know in a way that there are

0:44:25ipad apps and iphone apps they would

0:44:28have to be like nano apps grano for lack

0:44:30of a better what I don't think you don't

0:44:32need many apps you just had ipad sorry

0:44:35I've ipod nano with the networking with

0:44:37the Wi-Fi connection right with city

0:44:40right City play this song I mean yeah

0:44:42voice voice as your input instead of a

0:44:44keyboard I think games could be

0:44:46interesting on it but like information

0:44:49status information stuff like that

0:44:51I i do that i think the form factor is

0:44:53interesting but as it stands its you

0:44:55noticed I i do think this is one big i

0:44:59would say Apple as a little lagging as a

0:45:01company is that they don't think of

0:45:04services as engagement right like sound

0:45:09like you know how the facebook people

0:45:10send you these stupid notifications all

0:45:13the time so you keep using facebook even

0:45:16though you know you hate it they have

0:45:18worked really hard and making us

0:45:20dopamine addicts and Apple needs to kind

0:45:22of work on something similar to keep

0:45:25people using those devices all the time

0:45:27I just like that's my at least that's

0:45:30how I think about it and the I the new

0:45:34ipod touch it is so remarkably thin

0:45:37light

0:45:37I mean did you did you did I did play

0:45:40with it for like two minutes like that

0:45:41too many people I I never heard it was a

0:45:44lot less crowded around the ipod touch

0:45:45than the iphone so i spent more time

0:45:47with the ipod touch

0:45:49it's it's so impossibly thin

0:45:53yeah it really is and people were saying

0:45:55over and over again that they kind of

0:45:56couldn't believe that it was this is the

0:45:58action this is what really it's like

0:45:59it's almost like hard to believe

0:46:01hey it'sit's you can touch it you don't

0:46:03have to hide it behind a glass and and

0:46:08I'm a little so I'm a little surprised

0:46:10and I know that it leaked out before the

0:46:11event and that there were some whispers

0:46:13over the last week like 9to5 mac had it

0:46:15and they they always get it from these

0:46:17sk use that go into the apple retail

0:46:19system and that when these sk use for

0:46:23new ipods show up it's a really it's

0:46:25almost like a sure sign that the new

0:46:26ipods are coming very soon but the

0:46:29reason I found it hard to believe and I

0:46:31was a little skeptical all the way up

0:46:32until they actually

0:46:33announced it was that i still i found it

0:46:35unusual to announce the ipod touch with

0:46:38the new foreign screen and and radical

0:46:41new you know major new features at the

0:46:43same time as the iphone that it's based

0:46:45on I I didn't even think they were gonna

0:46:50be I apart touch update now I well I'd i

0:46:54wasn't sure i don't know but it and one

0:46:56reason why and it's not that it makes

0:46:58the I the new iphone 5 look bad but it's

0:47:03like the the ipod touch was always

0:47:05thinner than the iphone because it you

0:47:06know there's all sorts of antennas they

0:47:08don't need to include and I guess it

0:47:09probably needs the smaller battery

0:47:11because it doesn't have to power those

0:47:12antennas so I've always thought boy

0:47:16wouldn't be want to be able not even

0:47:18wouldn't but won't because I know Apple

0:47:20moves towards thinner and lighter want

0:47:23to be great when the iphone is that then

0:47:25in light and that's what the new iphone

0:47:275 is it is thin light as the old ipod

0:47:29touches and immediately they've already

0:47:32up the bar with these new ipod touches

0:47:35which our way thinner and in just call

0:47:39it I almost hesitate to say to light but

0:47:42but if there is such a thing as

0:47:43something that's too light it's it's

0:47:44these things they almost feel like they

0:47:46wouldn't fall at the full rate of

0:47:48gravity so I phone 5.5 really be pretty

0:47:5110 like it would be ten like this like

0:47:55the word the current iphone 5 right but

0:47:57it will have a lot of things which would

0:47:59be different and the number one thing

0:48:01which will be different will be the

0:48:03battery i can tell you they are going to

0:48:05spend next 12 months focusing on battery

0:48:09power they they are I know their apple

0:48:13people have been talking to a lot of the

0:48:14battery companies and technologies and

0:48:17they've been doing a lot of research and

0:48:19they're not alone a lot of companies are

0:48:21but that would be there many of focus

0:48:25and the lessons they learn from the ipod

0:48:27touch usage are going to help them make

0:48:30the ipod iphone battery in a act more

0:48:35smartly because it's a lot it's like

0:48:37software and battery design and they

0:48:39will need to figure that one are you

0:48:41know and the reason i bring that up is

0:48:43that two years ago apples biggest week

0:48:47miss was its radios like wireless radios

0:48:51night and then in two years and what

0:48:53they launched today people have

0:48:55completely glossed over like how

0:48:57difficult it is to support so many

0:49:01different standards in such a 10 device

0:49:04using a very smart networking video

0:49:08networking technology that that is

0:49:10happening last two years and I think

0:49:12their work systematically on it I think

0:49:14that's what I find impressive it is not

0:49:18something people glom onto but it's a

0:49:21very hard challenge and battery is the

0:49:23next hard challenge so yes in two years

0:49:27you will have an iphone which will be

0:49:29like as tender than I part touch and it

0:49:32will have the same battery power

0:49:34probably more than what we have today I

0:49:37i lied i do believe that their next big

0:49:40breakthrough is going to be on batteries

0:49:42I wouldn't be surprised it's got to be

0:49:43because it has to be

0:49:45I know it is it's the biggest thing

0:49:46inside the phone okay and so if they you

0:49:49know it's going to be the sticking point

0:49:51toward getting them smaller and lighter

0:49:54I mean that is one thing that when you

0:49:55put it in hand and you know it it's

0:50:00obviously you pulled in your hand it

0:50:03does feel taller than your I've then the

0:50:05old iphones and it definitely feels like

0:50:07the top of the screen is farther away

0:50:08but side to side because it is the same

0:50:12size as the iphone it still feels like

0:50:14the iphone form for us and to me it's a

0:50:16much more comfortable size just holding

0:50:18it just holding in one hand then the

0:50:21bigger android phones and like the the

0:50:23big windows phones like I really find

0:50:26those uncomfortable not uncomfortable

0:50:29but just not as comfortable to use it

0:50:32just seems like they beg to be used

0:50:33those bigger phones the way that android

0:50:36phones have gone to four-and-a-half

0:50:37inches or 5 inches even in some cases

0:50:38they beg to be used with two hands all

0:50:41the time not one hand so I i don't use

0:50:44too many android phones not because

0:50:46they're bad phone that just is the

0:50:49keyboards just turn i'm not very

0:50:52inviting

0:50:53that's like--that's my big things like

0:50:55yeah I have all those phone i like you

0:50:57know I like some of the work goo

0:50:59we'll just done with this nexus devices

0:51:01and they're pretty you know the

0:51:03development devices there faster

0:51:05powerful the the the OS is not not iOS

0:51:11but it's pretty good and a lot of people

0:51:14are writing applications for it but I

0:51:17just find little things are not there

0:51:20like the email client is not very good

0:51:22even though it's google built in our are

0:51:25the tactic the keyboards are not all

0:51:28that great but beyond that I think the

0:51:33key thing on this new the new size

0:51:37iphone 5 is actually going to be our

0:51:41ability to deal with excess information

0:51:45on the screen and I i think people

0:51:47always forget get more information you

0:51:51cram on the screen it kind of you know

0:51:53is a shock to the system which is why i

0:51:56think the bigger android take a little

0:51:59time getting used to it because they're

0:52:02just more stuff crammed onto the screen

0:52:04and I think the is I i'm looking forward

0:52:08to using my iphone 5 whenever it comes

0:52:12to market from me i'm still unconvinced

0:52:15whether it's AII still why wonder

0:52:19whether it's not just a look

0:52:22marketing-wise we kind of need to be at

0:52:24four inches because this is we know

0:52:27people don't buy on specs but if

0:52:30everybody else is making 4-inch phones

0:52:32we kind of need a 4-inch phone and that

0:52:34it's not really going to make that much

0:52:36of a difference people are not going to

0:52:38when they upgrade or not going to say

0:52:40wow I really appreciate the exercise

0:52:42here so if I was not writing about apple

0:52:46and iphone and devices i probably would

0:52:50not rush out and buy it just because

0:52:52it's called a 4-inch display right it's

0:52:55just not like a decision making right

0:52:56thing for me I like yeah okay whatever

0:52:59well anyway I guess that brings us to

0:53:01the iphone 4 absence we've been talking

0:53:03about it and that was the it's clearly

0:53:05the big announcement to that so before

0:53:08we go to the iphone though i would say

0:53:12thank God for upgrading the itunes uh oh

0:53:15my god that thing I've become such a pig

0:53:17I really did and you know what it kind

0:53:19of reminds me of a little and I i I'd

0:53:22heard I had not seen nobody has shown me

0:53:24I no no little birdies had filled me in

0:53:26that's to what the new itunes look like

0:53:28but i was told I've been told a couple

0:53:30people that yeah this is like a serious

0:53:32this isn't like a wink-wink nudge-nudge

0:53:35it's an update it's a real rethinking of

0:53:38what the itunes app for mac and windows

0:53:40should should look like and I I you know

0:53:44I haven't used it yet but I really from

0:53:47what I saw a boy really does seem

0:53:48appealing

0:53:50it's very start and i have to say from a

0:53:52UI perspective it doesn't really seem

0:53:54like anything I've seen before

0:53:55it seems like a new type of that like

0:53:59Apple has all these apps that have you

0:54:01know and a third party apps to but the

0:54:03the same layout as itunes old itunes

0:54:06sidebar on the left in a column that's

0:54:10narrow and then you click something in

0:54:12that sidebar on the left and it fills in

0:54:15the right with what that is and that

0:54:19same yet that's how the mail at some

0:54:21mail works that's how all sorts of other

0:54:23apps work and it really seems like

0:54:26that's the also the best measure of how

0:54:28complicated itunes got is because that

0:54:32source list got longer and longer and

0:54:36longer before you even got to the stuff

0:54:38that you make like playlists and stuff

0:54:40like that but just in terms of how many

0:54:42items are in there in a default

0:54:44installation of itunes it was this that

0:54:45the other thing it's all gone now it's

0:54:48just one big window so it looked a

0:54:51little bit like Rdio to me like I

0:54:53couldn't put in put my finger on it but

0:54:56so I treated out ask people just looks a

0:54:59little familiar and like a lot of people

0:55:01tweeted out saying it looks like our do

0:55:04and i went and checked and it does and I

0:55:07just feel like our God let me try this

0:55:10because i hate my current itunes like

0:55:14just completely utterly useless it just

0:55:17slowly it's slow and I can't act like

0:55:20and you know like I just think the idea

0:55:22of playlist as we know it needs to be

0:55:25the record completely well I but I'd you

0:55:29know hold your thought on that because

0:55:30at one thing I say I'd unless i missed

0:55:32it the hands-on area did not have

0:55:34anywhere you could play with the new I

0:55:35tuna now so that's and that does make me

0:55:38wonder about the timing of the

0:55:40announcement today is that why it seems

0:55:42unusual that she was a little weird that

0:55:44they announced the new itunes but it's

0:55:46still october yeah or late October even

0:55:49or did they say october i think sometime

0:55:51in October well it's you know it's well

0:55:52over a month away

0:55:53yeah and they didn't have it in the

0:55:57hands-on area i saw that there's a new

0:56:00sieved which was kmart oh so maybe they

0:56:03do that i didn't i have i've been

0:56:05offline all day i don't i don't know

0:56:07I've contracted like I would probably go

0:56:08home and try but it really does seem

0:56:10like they've in addition to just simply

0:56:13reducing visual clutter in the interface

0:56:16they've also really seem to have done so

0:56:18with a specific goal in mind which is to

0:56:21get you back to just using the app to

0:56:23play music and maybe secondarily watch

0:56:26movies right and not have it be this app

0:56:31that was a device manager for gadgets

0:56:35you know these gadgets that you tether

0:56:37to your computer and you do all this

0:56:39stuff to do that it sort of got away

0:56:41from that and its back to use this app

0:56:44to play music so one observation i

0:56:48thought it would be really cool if Apple

0:56:51did visual playlist making capability

0:56:55drag-and-drop because now we have such

0:56:57good touch on our own our pond laptops

0:57:01that you can actually swipe in touch and

0:57:03create like really create playlists vs

0:57:06creating like those manual add to the

0:57:09playlist kind of nonsense so i am really

0:57:12looking forward to playing hard with

0:57:13that whenever it comes out that's that's

0:57:17my that's my who I have that was on my

0:57:21wish list and I got it

0:57:23there's that I forget what they call the

0:57:25new feature though but I'd it's the one

0:57:28that's like add to your list now or or

0:57:30something like that played now it's like

0:57:32if you're in the middle of a playlist

0:57:34but you're going on next up next that's

0:57:36it that's it up next

0:57:37that to me is I've thought of that

0:57:40feature but never really thought it

0:57:43through enough to like actually like

0:57:45right about it or ask for it

0:57:47I just know i can remember many times

0:57:49being in that situation where I'm

0:57:50playing music I have a playlist that i

0:57:52don't want to stop playing but I'm just

0:57:55digging around my itunes and I say i'd

0:57:57like to hear this song right now or next

0:58:00at least but I don't want to stop the

0:58:02playlist and I don't want to add it to

0:58:04the you know like maybe it's a smart

0:58:06playlists and the smart playlists

0:58:07doesn't even have this it's not what I

0:58:10can't add it to the playlist

0:58:12maybe that's what people also meant for

0:58:16the pandora like service that happened

0:58:19was going to launch which is like the

0:58:21same feature a pen I would love to have

0:58:24pandora features on my own library right

0:58:28like when it's so hard to sum the genius

0:58:31hasn't really been genius for a long

0:58:32time and that's how I feel like they

0:58:35needed to improve that as well so maybe

0:58:38that that comes out in the ABS about the

0:58:40next version of itunes I'm key i'm

0:58:43curious what the I don't think they've

0:58:44shown it i'm looking at the website

0:58:45right now i'm curious what the the

0:58:47windows version will look like Adam

0:58:50camera

0:58:51yeah who cares i know a lot of people

0:58:52have been asking me the Reader's have

0:58:54been asking me of what do I think

0:58:56they're going to do about Windows RT

0:58:57since Windows RT doesn't run the desktop

0:59:00Windows apps and I think the answer is

0:59:02that forever windows RT device you don't

0:59:04get itunes you're not going to use it

0:59:06the whole reason they have it for

0:59:08windows is so that you can use a windows

0:59:11pc to manage your ipods and your iphone

0:59:14not through iCloud and I think that now

0:59:17they're getting to the point with iCloud

0:59:18where they don't really care you had a

0:59:20if you have a PC they would love you to

0:59:21buy an iphone but i don't think they

0:59:23care so much about you being able to

0:59:25tether it to your pc you go through

0:59:28iCloud I i would like they did say

0:59:32though it's coming out for for pc to

0:59:35yeah I you know I think the the thing

0:59:43with the pc itunes was that i always

0:59:47find actually work better than the mac

0:59:49one really yeah

0:59:51huh I just like it just just felt more

0:59:54robust and you know less I've never even

0:59:57tried I tried a few times in 10 years I

0:59:59don't think I've ever

0:59:59don't think I've ever

1:00:00right itunes on pc and it's like I have

1:00:01I have one pc which i kinda try out

1:00:05things on I also really thought that the

1:00:07demo of the mini player was really

1:00:09fascinating because it seemed to me like

1:00:11I could leave my itunes in that mini

1:00:12player state almost all the time and you

1:00:15just type that I like that did the live

1:00:17search i like the way it looks the

1:00:18search results they didn't say it and it

1:00:23is sort of a different visual treatment

1:00:24but it kind of reminds me of the ipad

1:00:27interface with the pop over for the

1:00:29results you know like you just got this

1:00:30little tiny thing you type in the field

1:00:32and then here's the results click on it

1:00:34and you're playing mm so I've missed

1:00:37that part i was busy taking pictures and

1:00:40uploading them so so the scuttlebutt

1:00:42though and itunes kind of plays into it

1:00:46the scuttlebutt is that it that Apple

1:00:49didn't really decide applies a lot of

1:00:51stuff to announce as it before today

1:00:53they had a lot of stuff they wanted to

1:00:55announce in the next month or two and

1:00:58that they've been maybe thinking about

1:01:00two events I mean clearly the big thing

1:01:03that everybody is expecting and it has

1:01:05not yet been announces this ipad mini

1:01:07thing

1:01:08ipad air whatever you want to call it

1:01:09and that they've more or less felt like

1:01:16they had a lot of options as the how to

1:01:18do it should they announced the iphone

1:01:20all by itself like they did last year

1:01:22should they obviously the way they did

1:01:24go announce the iphone with the ipods

1:01:27and have a music event with the iphone

1:01:29or should they have a music event next

1:01:32month with the ipods and this new

1:01:35miniature ipad and call that the music

1:01:38event and I feel like and from what I've

1:01:41heard a couple people have heard is that

1:01:42the decision on that didn't get made

1:01:44until relatively late

1:01:46I mean did not last minute obviously

1:01:48just from the polish and the precision

1:01:50of the of the event they made it but you

1:01:54know relatively speaking as much as you

1:01:57know whatever time it takes to put on a

1:01:59event of that level of Polish that's

1:02:03when they made the decision and I think

1:02:06it kind of fits

1:02:07with the fact that itunes the app is not

1:02:10ready yet so I thought maybe you know

1:02:12seems a little bit and the ipods aren't

1:02:14coming till next monday there you know

1:02:16the the this is not this late the Apple

1:02:19is changing clearly so things are going

1:02:22to be a little different i'm pretty sure

1:02:23you have better idea on what's going on

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1:04:37alright you're back so the iphone it

1:04:44starts with a with Schiller I guess he

1:04:47said a little bit but any more lessons

1:04:49here let me show it to you any gestures

1:04:51and this pedestal i guess they had it

1:04:53for lack of a better word Rises out of

1:04:56the floor and start spinning around I

1:05:00and like I was sitting next to Dan Morin

1:05:03from macworld and I just said you know

1:05:05where do you buy where they buy

1:05:07something like that because you can't

1:05:08just go to the store and buy the

1:05:10pedestal that rises out of the floor was

1:05:13like something out of like a James Bond

1:05:14movie you know like that's where his

1:05:17watch comes out of this crazy

1:05:20over-engineered pedestal that comes out

1:05:23of the floor and they've got these

1:05:25little micro spotlights just to show

1:05:27that just hit the phone that was pretty

1:05:31cool i thought so too i thought that it

1:05:33comes n and I think people got it too

1:05:35because there's a lot of people laughing

1:05:36like it it was it was very well done

1:05:39I mean they did it to the nines I mean

1:05:41and the way that it rotated was super

1:05:44smooth it was timed perfectly with the

1:05:49movie behind it like where when the

1:05:51iphone was exactly sideways to the

1:05:53audience the phone on the video behind

1:05:56it with sideways to the audience but it

1:06:00seems crazy because it only was up there

1:06:01for like a minute it was up for like a

1:06:03minute it spun around twice and then it

1:06:04went down so like somebody that Apple

1:06:07like had the job of like engineering

1:06:08this robot pedestal that for one minute

1:06:13in one event right that's the luxury of

1:06:15having couple hundred billion dollars

1:06:17lying about

1:06:18yeah I do think so and then to fast

1:06:21forward all the way to the end of the

1:06:22event I when the foo fighters came out

1:06:27I had this thought Tim Cook's up on

1:06:29stage and he's saying you know we love

1:06:31to have an act by just being a music the

1:06:33heart of the company in DNA the coming

1:06:34we always like to end with one of our

1:06:36favorite acts and we have one of those

1:06:37acts today and then they put a foo

1:06:39fighters album up so I knew it was the

1:06:41food fighters and everybody started

1:06:42getting excited but I thought well how

1:06:44are they going to come out and i will

1:06:46use what i thought i thought maybe it

1:06:47wouldn't be the full band that wouldn't

1:06:49be drums maybe just the lead singer

1:06:51David Grohl would come out with a guitar

1:06:52and one or two the other guys maybe with

1:06:55guitars that walk out onstage you know

1:06:57but it wouldn't be the full electric

1:06:59setup because there was clearly know

1:07:00where there where that could be and like

1:07:02years ago like I forget if it was a john

1:07:05mayer one of those things but it was in

1:07:06a Moscow knee event though which is a

1:07:09much bigger stage huge stage he came out

1:07:12like from the side like on a thing that

1:07:15rotated around from the back or maybe

1:07:18the African it was but but there was

1:07:20room for something like that and here

1:07:22all of a sudden the screen goes up and

1:07:24this platform comes out again so super

1:07:27smooth this moving platform that the

1:07:30band was on and I i asked at the the

1:07:34hands-on area and at it that somebody at

1:07:37apple said that

1:07:39yeah that was custom to like built that

1:07:42just for the thing

1:07:43well it's pretty impression that was

1:07:46pretty impressive i was like taking a

1:07:48back four minutes like wow idea the way

1:07:52you put those good is that that's those

1:07:54are the sort of little touches that you

1:07:56can do when you've got a hundred billion

1:07:57dollars in cash

1:07:59yeah so my mom I enjoyed myself was just

1:08:03like 44 for a few minutes it felt right

1:08:06damn these guys work really hard to make

1:08:08this happen yeah and I think they do

1:08:11work really hard and presentations it's

1:08:13not as there's a lot of work which goes

1:08:16into it

1:08:17my two cents i do too and I I've been

1:08:23thinking about this and i'm sticking

1:08:25about it in the context of amazon last

1:08:27week to that I think that there's a

1:08:29really strong correlation between a

1:08:33company that's able to put together a

1:08:35cohesive smart easy-to-understand

1:08:39presentation

1:08:40for a product and the fact that the

1:08:43product itself is actually thoughtful

1:08:45and cohesive and well-thought-out like

1:08:48there is you know and it's an inr night

1:08:50sometimes I worry i think well maybe

1:08:52that's just because i'm so close to

1:08:54apple an apple does both those things

1:08:56well does good products and does good

1:08:58things but I thought amazon's thing last

1:09:01week showed that it you know it's true

1:09:02for other companies to wear a really

1:09:05strong presentation from bezels and a

1:09:07really easy to understand message of why

1:09:12you would buy these candles and who

1:09:13therefore right and i think if you look

1:09:16around in the fashion world you can say

1:09:20like there's like if you go to a Tom

1:09:21Ford show and the way then stores are

1:09:24the products are not that I will never

1:09:26fit into one of his heart fits but but

1:09:30there is a cohesive thought process like

1:09:32you know it goes starts from the very

1:09:34top and goes right the way to the bottom

1:09:37and it is across product presentation

1:09:40experience like people don't quite give

1:09:44the importance to the experience part of

1:09:47apple or any company like Apple you know

1:09:50there is like you go to herman miller's

1:09:52you know products when you buy a like an

1:09:55Eames chair

1:09:57it is an experience you don't just buy a

1:10:00word you know you're buying a certain

1:10:02kind of an experienced it doesn't matter

1:10:04whether its cost twenty bucks or two

1:10:07hundred thousand dollars it is about

1:10:09creating that experience and that

1:10:11experiences you're in bed sensibility

1:10:13you need to have it inside you to

1:10:16actually be able to project it to rest

1:10:19of the world and I think that's what

1:10:20Amazon short last night last week and I

1:10:24you know there's even like a rhymin a

1:10:26reason to the people who get trotted out

1:10:28now Amazon did it with one man it was

1:10:30just Jeff basis and he didn't call

1:10:31anybody else and that's one way to do it

1:10:33and I think in the past apple has had

1:10:35two events like that with steve jobs now

1:10:37they're not only they're ever going to

1:10:38have an event like that again I think

1:10:40now it's a team player team player type

1:10:43thing but it's it's almost like

1:10:45parentheticals or layers of a hierarchy

1:10:48we're at the top level there's the root

1:10:50level and that's Tim Cook and then he

1:10:52says

1:10:53ok now we're going to talk about new

1:10:54iphone 5 here's Phil Schiller and so

1:10:58Phil then is like one layer down in the

1:11:01hierarchy and his thing is the iphone

1:11:03and then in the middle of his thing to

1:11:06talk just about the software then it

1:11:08goes to scott forstall and forestall

1:11:11leaves Phil comes back out to close his

1:11:14parentheses and then fill leaves and

1:11:17comes back out and you're back at the

1:11:18root level and then it starts all over

1:11:20again with the ipods and itunes with

1:11:22Eddy Cue and jaws react and with Jeff

1:11:26Robyn coming out to demo the new itunes

1:11:28but guys come out for specific reason

1:11:30and when they leave the guy who

1:11:32introduced them comes back out until you

1:11:34get back to Tim Cook at the end and it's

1:11:36all over

1:11:37compare that to microsoft and at the

1:11:39windows 8 again to borrow your technical

1:11:42term shit show a couple months ago where

1:11:45it's like there was no logic to it but

1:11:48yet it was it just seemed it was almost

1:11:50like the internal politics of the

1:11:51company laid just exposed where here's

1:11:55the people who need to come out because

1:11:56they want to come out but there didn't

1:11:58seem to be any logic to it there's one

1:12:00guy showing the one tablet and here's

1:12:02another guy who comes out to show a

1:12:03keyboard and then here's this other guy

1:12:05who comes out to show a different type

1:12:07of keyboard and then the tablet didn't

1:12:11work you know and now here we are

1:12:14months later and it's not just that

1:12:17their presentation wasn't good now we're

1:12:19at a point now with you know with

1:12:21windows 8 and windows phone 8 where is

1:12:25it going to ship on time are they going

1:12:27to have these things ready for the

1:12:28christmas season and you know it seems

1:12:30like it's a question it in a confusion

1:12:34is not just in your mind it's everywhere

1:12:37right but i always look at those things

1:12:39i always think it's me and it's just

1:12:41like when I was a kid it goes back to

1:12:42when I was a kid if I ever read a book

1:12:44that was like above my grade level and I

1:12:48didn't get it I just thought well i'm

1:12:49just not smart enough

1:12:51I'm not a good enough reader yet I this

1:12:53is beyond me and I just always blame

1:12:55myself and or like if I stayed up late

1:12:58and I got to watch a TV show with my

1:13:00parents that was on late and was like an

1:13:01adult show and I just didn't get it

1:13:03I just didn't understand what the heck

1:13:04is going on just always thought it was

1:13:06me and I still

1:13:07feel that way like I watched that

1:13:08microsoft event and i got like half way

1:13:11through before i started blaming them

1:13:12like halfway through I was like you know

1:13:14I'm just so unfamiliar with Microsoft

1:13:16I'm just so used to apple I don't get

1:13:18this and it just doesn't make any sense

1:13:19to me and I got halfway there that you

1:13:20know what this is just this is just a

1:13:22mess my I had a great editor when I that

1:13:26force.com David sure work he taught me

1:13:30the most important lesson of my life he

1:13:32said you know you're going to write a

1:13:34bar technology going to write about

1:13:36companies are going to write about money

1:13:38but you always have to remember

1:13:40everything company's products they're

1:13:44all about people companies are people

1:13:47you're not right in the garden

1:13:48institution you're writing about people

1:13:51who just don't know it you PA attention

1:13:54to the people and their own internal

1:13:56politics and their own internal

1:13:58confusion that's the company right there

1:14:01for you and that's exactly what i

1:14:03intuitively you are getting on to that

1:14:05tina glomming onto that thing when you

1:14:07look at the the nokia people write like

1:14:10five years ago they didn't have that

1:14:13level of confusion

1:14:14except they had a certain type of a CEO

1:14:17who was so metrics driven whose

1:14:20background was law and the guy who was

1:14:23continually pulling the you know was the

1:14:25puppet master was finance guy so they

1:14:28were only going to do things which made

1:14:30sense to them and that sprinkle the

1:14:32things that made sense in a spreadsheet

1:14:33right and that's exactly what it is it's

1:14:36like company that people kill people

1:14:39make things companies don't make things

1:14:41like how is that like so difficult for

1:14:44people to understand the other thing

1:14:46about today's presentation which I've

1:14:48seen it every single time between

1:14:51various product groups in a filler

1:14:53forestall and all these people come and

1:14:55go there is that little video from

1:14:58Johnny I've and Bob Mansfield tells you

1:15:02though that the guys were making it

1:15:04happen while these guys are making it

1:15:06happen so there is there is like a

1:15:08connective tissue that is designed

1:15:10manufacturing and the internal hardware

1:15:14technology I think that's really

1:15:16important for the company and I almost

1:15:18feel like like you could feel the pride

1:15:20that they have in it like like everyone

1:15:24for all they get caught up in some of

1:15:25these details like the emphasis on the

1:15:27Sapphire lens on the thing and it's like

1:15:30all anybody really cares about is does

1:15:33the camera really take good pictures but

1:15:35they're so you know and it looked

1:15:36awesome is my favorite part of that one

1:15:38of my favorite parts of that video of

1:15:40how they're making it I like that part

1:15:41with the laser cutter and I like that

1:15:42part where they take the Sapphire cut it

1:15:44up into a bunch of circles and then they

1:15:47have that like little suction cup thing

1:15:49coming and picking them off and moving

1:15:50them down so don't like those too

1:15:52I like my favorite like just watching

1:15:56them like the stuff they do it's just

1:15:58amazing i'm like i'm always amazed at

1:16:00the engineering which goes into the I

1:16:03I'll like I was so obsessed with the

1:16:05Retina Display MacBook Pro not because

1:16:09it's a great laptop I just feels right

1:16:11look at that engineering like the very

1:16:13idea that you're going to engineer the

1:16:15whole damn thing so that it looks a

1:16:18certain way and it works a certain way

1:16:20and it like nobody does that like you

1:16:23know that's that's the problem i think

1:16:25did you catch the part in the video

1:16:27where they said that like all right

1:16:29here's one iphone 5 frame comes down the

1:16:33pipe take a snapshot of it and analyze

1:16:36exactly the dimensions that it got cut

1:16:39and you know that this one piece of

1:16:41aluminum is cut and then you go over and

1:16:43there's like here's the camera and they

1:16:45have like 37 cameras that they've imaged

1:16:48and they pick the one that is the most

1:16:50ideal fit for this particular iphone

1:16:53frame I mean that's crazy i'm pretty

1:16:56sure they're all the theme I it almost

1:16:59defies belief

1:17:01you know but that you know why not

1:17:02though if it's going to do it why not i

1:17:03guess there is some very like they said

1:17:05they're measuring these things down two

1:17:07micron and so if there's like a micron

1:17:09or two difference in this one and that

1:17:12one and there's a micro to difference in

1:17:15this iphone 5 frame and this iphone 5

1:17:18frame

1:17:19why not pick the one that's the big down

1:17:22to the micron better fit right but it is

1:17:25obsessive I mean it really is and it

1:17:27shows the rich shows and the result is

1:17:29nothing wrong with that i think the the

1:17:31lot of people don't know this the

1:17:33sapphire

1:17:34glasses what is on the color on these on

1:17:37these high-end watches right and that's

1:17:40I think I was just like when I was

1:17:42watching that is like wow they really

1:17:44were paying attention like the scratches

1:17:47on on the lenses are a problem and they

1:17:49picked the right solution I'd and I do

1:17:51think I think the comparison to like

1:17:53just to sort of bring the show full

1:17:55circle but to go back to the high-end

1:17:57watches I do kind of feel like that's

1:17:59the level of craftsmanship that they're

1:18:02bringing to this and we haven't really

1:18:04you and I haven't which we should

1:18:05probably bring the shoulder him but we

1:18:07haven't really talked about the iphone 5

1:18:08itself however you should talk about it

1:18:10I I mean I want to know what you think

1:18:13like literally I late i think like

1:18:15everybody else I want to know what you

1:18:16think you know III don't know I i guess

1:18:19my first impression is just that it's

1:18:21almost startlingly lighter-weight I mean

1:18:26it really you know looking at the

1:18:28numbers in grams just doesn't seem to do

1:18:30justice to when you put it in your hand

1:18:32to sort of bouncing up and down had had

1:18:34different fields

1:18:36other than that you know it's just nicer

1:18:41newer faster iphone and android and i

1:18:43don't mean that to say that I'm

1:18:44disappointed it's you know it's like

1:18:46what last year you know this is what

1:18:47they do you know I I loved in internal

1:18:51the internal work which is gone into it

1:18:53i love the radio engineering they've

1:18:56done which is pretty amazing kudos to

1:18:58them the new chip is six is pretty again

1:19:01the kind of stuff nobody really cares of

1:19:03art yeah you know what they're going to

1:19:05care about is when everything is twice

1:19:06as fast yeah and I was talking to anand

1:19:10from a non-tech and you know he's like I

1:19:12always whenever I see him at these

1:19:13events I always check with him because

1:19:14he knows these components let's try it

1:19:17out but inside out and he said yeah

1:19:18that's you know the the description of

1:19:20the chips they're using for the a sexist

1:19:22yeah that should be twice as fast as the

1:19:244s which is huge

1:19:26pretty big deal like such a tiny pack

1:19:28I've mentioned this before and it it it

1:19:31really you know it because I do a lot of

1:19:33web surfing sir i read a lot of websites

1:19:34on the phone it's a one of the main

1:19:36things i do i would buy an iphone if if

1:19:38it was the only a pinhead with safari I

1:19:40would be happy i would miss all the

1:19:42other stuff but I could get by

1:19:43I and it's like it's easy to forget it

1:19:47as we often waiting for the network if

1:19:49you have spotty connection or whatever

1:19:51but it's easy to forget just how much of

1:19:53the time it takes when you're loading

1:19:55web page is the phone rendering the HTML

1:19:58like it's actually because our computers

1:20:01have gotten so fast at it that they

1:20:02don't take much time to render a page

1:20:05where is the phone still does like when

1:20:07you load the new york times com

1:20:09it takes time for the phone to just

1:20:11render it let alone the network so 2x

1:20:14improvement in speed is is huge i think

1:20:17i want to know what what to do next like

1:20:19what kind of engineering internal

1:20:22engineering they do next I'm still very

1:20:25obsessed about that i think you know

1:20:27let's like before we go I think we

1:20:30should we should really take a minute

1:20:33and applaud the radio engineering which

1:20:36is gone into it like that just multiple

1:20:39bands across multiple networks more

1:20:43Wi-Fi

1:20:44yeah i just think that is yeoman's work

1:20:47and it's smaller yeah i think though

1:20:50that the people will get no credit no

1:20:53they're never on stage

1:20:55nobody talks about them but those those

1:20:58people who worked wonders

1:21:00you know the networking like networking

1:21:03is the the blood and nerves of any

1:21:08connected device and I think that is so

1:21:10important

1:21:11having that like I was just blown away

1:21:13by the the amount of stuff they've

1:21:16crammed into that little device

1:21:18yeah and I also wondered that now it

1:21:20supports bluetooth 4.0 which is

1:21:23everybody I I don't know much about but

1:21:25everybody tells me everything I've seen

1:21:27about it is that it's really going to be

1:21:29a big deal because it's low so low power

1:21:32and now you just leave it on you can

1:21:33just leave it on instead of worrying

1:21:35about turning it on turn it off you

1:21:37leave it on and then other bluetooth 4.1

1:21:40things can just push stuff to your phone

1:21:42or whatever device has it because it's

1:21:44always on and then you always have it

1:21:46and you're not using this sort of it and

1:21:49it's just so low power that you have to

1:21:51worry about leaving it right but they

1:21:52didn't have any demo they have bluetooth

1:21:544.0 but they didn't have anything to do

1:21:57with it so that's what makes me they

1:21:58wouldn't have put it in if they don't

1:22:00have you

1:22:01mrs. in mind I think music is number one

1:22:04in my opinion I think he can have you

1:22:07know job own dark job jambox right i

1:22:11don't like I listen to it all the time

1:22:13like when I'm in the bathroom like turn

1:22:15on my you know pipe my music through

1:22:19bluetooth and it's ok but it runs down

1:22:21the phone really fast and they just live

1:22:24a waterphone so but i think it is that

1:22:28there is also you can do a lot of you

1:22:30know bluetooth bluetooth you know

1:22:33connectivity like you can do five

1:22:37transfers which is important like

1:22:38there's a lot of applications which are

1:22:40going to come up it might actually be

1:22:42you know bluetooth might actually

1:22:45average moment under the Sun right now

1:22:47huh

1:22:48it's a technology which is always

1:22:50deliver less than it should have

1:22:53the other thing I would point out just

1:22:57as one big like ya in person it really

1:23:00really stands out is the display and

1:23:03that it it to me instantly looks better

1:23:07than the iphone 4 4 s display and a

1:23:09couple of regards first the integrating

1:23:13the touch sensors into the same layer as

1:23:17the display absolutely noticeably puts

1:23:21the pixels closer to the surface and

1:23:24that was the thing I really focused on

1:23:26two years ago in the iphone 4 came out

1:23:28was how much closer to the surface the

1:23:30pixels were then on the original iphone

1:23:33in the three in the 3g s 3g and 3gs I

1:23:37feel like this is that big of its is big

1:23:39again a leap towards painting the pixels

1:23:42on the surface like it it's as to me is

1:23:45as big a step forward as the retina

1:23:47display the original one was to getting

1:23:49the pixels on the surface this one is

1:23:52again I i SAT there at the the table in

1:23:55the demo area and like called the phone

1:23:57sideways and I'm like.he it it's pretty

1:24:00thin it's really thin and now I look at

1:24:02my own personal iphone 4s right here and

1:24:05I see all this parallax between the the

1:24:07glass and the pixels underneath so let

1:24:10me ask you a question what's your take

1:24:11on the connector I

1:24:14think that they could the new connector

1:24:16is long overdue

1:24:18I can't believe that they lasted the old

1:24:19one lasted as long as it did I think

1:24:21it's ugly and I think it was a ton appel

1:24:23like design and I think that it was a

1:24:25bunch of compromises to that made sense

1:24:29in 2003 but it's just it was just ugly I

1:24:32mean it has sharp edges it was all

1:24:34exposed it it makes the the hole in the

1:24:38phone is way too big it's always filled

1:24:40with dust and it's like real gross in

1:24:42there it just looks weird

1:24:44yeah I just always thought it was a

1:24:45weird-looking adapter so I think that

1:24:48it's just been long overdue to be

1:24:51replaced i mean compared to the original

1:24:52like the original ipod shipped in 2001

1:24:55with firewire because it was Mac only

1:24:58and all Max had fire fire was a really

1:25:00nice port it was it had like a shape

1:25:05that you couldn't put it in wrong and

1:25:06you couldn't guess wrong and it went in

1:25:09and made like a nice it was a nice

1:25:11feeling that was Dick he wouldn't you

1:25:13know none of the modern ipods and

1:25:14iphones could ever use a firewire

1:25:16connected two or three times too thick

1:25:17but it just was a knife to me that's an

1:25:21eye apple-like port firewire and USB is

1:25:25just a little weird looking it's not as

1:25:27nice it's not bad for the pc industry

1:25:29it's actually a pretty good-looking port

1:25:31but I thought even just a USB plug is

1:25:35better-looking aesthetically then the I

1:25:38than that 30-pin connector so I'm really

1:25:41just surprised it took them this long

1:25:42and the new one the Lightning port to me

1:25:45is the epitomized epitomizes what I

1:25:48expect from an apple custom-designed

1:25:50port meaning you can put it in upside

1:25:53down there is no upside down you just

1:25:55put it in and there's nothing sharp the

1:25:57corners are rounded off and it just

1:26:01feels nice when it goes in it doesn't

1:26:02feel like brittle like it's all the

1:26:05other thing about 30 the old 30-pin was

1:26:06always like metal-on-metal when you're

1:26:08putting it in never liked it so is this

1:26:10like is it a pre-approved still like the

1:26:13standard connector for other devices to

1:26:16i know i don't think so anymore than the

1:26:1830-pin I think it's every bit as prize

1:26:20areas that the 30-pin connector they're

1:26:23like something like europe european

1:26:25commission wanted them to conform to

1:26:28yeah I actually don't know how they're

1:26:29getting around that I think that the in

1:26:31Europe there's some kind of law that you

1:26:33have to use like a standard the

1:26:36connector which more or less it means

1:26:38you have to use the USB micro USB or

1:26:41mini USB and i have no idea how they're

1:26:43getting around that maybe by shipping

1:26:44and free adapter i think maybe that's

1:26:46the loophole is that as long as you have

1:26:47an adapter your you your you comply with

1:26:51the law

1:26:52I don't know I think I'm a little bummed

1:26:56out about like all my accessories are

1:26:58going to be pretty useless now you have

1:27:00a lot of accessories see I don't have a

1:27:02lot of accessories so a lot of stuff

1:27:04it's just like really I mean God like

1:27:07you know so like that would prevent me

1:27:09from buying a new phone

1:27:10it's just like oh I like to change this

1:27:13and that like oh my god I don't want to

1:27:15do that so you're not gonna buy it I'm

1:27:17not gonna buy like you know like i don't

1:27:20know i do think and I really do believe

1:27:23it i don't think it's BS spend just to

1:27:27get you to buy adapters and get on board

1:27:29that i really do think that they

1:27:31couldn't make that it was limiting out

1:27:33then they could make the devices and

1:27:35maybe they could have made this new

1:27:39iphone 5 with the old dock connector but

1:27:42i don't think there's any way that they

1:27:43could have made the new ipods any of

1:27:46them

1:27:46the nano or the touch with the documents

1:27:50just there to thin the Newton the GNU

1:27:52touch new ipod touches so then there's

1:27:54no way that they could have made it with

1:27:56the old adapter i think they could have

1:27:59easily gone the route of micro USB and

1:28:01it would have been okay when you don't

1:28:04really have to do a lot of things that

1:28:05we like to real people by non apple

1:28:09accessories if it has micro USB

1:28:12probably not well that is a good

1:28:14question what they would they lose

1:28:16something if they had gone with micro

1:28:18USB I think this one might be stronger i

1:28:21think one of the problems with micro USB

1:28:22is it hard to make a doc and I've heard

1:28:25from other people who have had fun

1:28:26because I speculate and it was actually

1:28:28on that old episode of the talk show

1:28:29where I said talking about ranting about

1:28:32how ugly the 30-pin adapter that adapter

1:28:35ism you know maybe they should go with

1:28:37something like micro USB and somebody

1:28:38said that you can have like a phone that

1:28:39has that

1:28:40port and you have a dock for it gets

1:28:42bent very easily

1:28:44ok you know I'll give you that yes I

1:28:47don't know but I can't vouch for that

1:28:49because i don't have a dr USB well but

1:28:52that was it that was like my one quibble

1:28:54for now but i think it was overdue and I

1:28:56feel like the longer they waited maybe I

1:28:58still think i would have been better if

1:28:59they could have moved sooner because

1:29:01then there'd be fewer the longer they

1:29:03waited the more peripherals they were

1:29:05out there more cars there were with the

1:29:07car kit you don't need this adapter and

1:29:13I don't know I wonder how many of those

1:29:14adapters people will need because the

1:29:16other thing you might need maybe you

1:29:18could just get by with the cable because

1:29:19all you know the cable that comes with

1:29:22the phone has regular USB on one side

1:29:25and the Newport on the other so for all

1:29:27of your power chargers and stuff like

1:29:29that

1:29:30as long as you're plugging in USB you

1:29:32don't need an adapter right you know i

1:29:34have one observation and the iphone from

1:29:37a business perspective I think the from

1:29:413gs to refer we went from 2g to 3g it

1:29:47was an obvious upgrade from 3gs 24 it

1:29:51was an obvious upgrade for s25 it's not

1:29:57really that clear and obvious upgrade i

1:29:59think apple may have some work cut out

1:30:01for them

1:30:02ah well I I've long thought I really

1:30:05think that they designed with the

1:30:06two-year contract in mind and I feel

1:30:08like they're not really shooting to have

1:30:10a phone i do i'm an idiot I I mean

1:30:13totally i'm going to buy a new one every

1:30:15year I bought whenever you're so far but

1:30:16I'm not over near and i'm not even close

1:30:19to being a normal iphone consumer I

1:30:21think for normal ones they are very very

1:30:23keenly looking at the two-year contract

1:30:28cycle and getting people to you know the

1:30:31I don't think they expect people with an

1:30:34iphone 4s to upgrade just like I don't

1:30:37think they've ever expected people with

1:30:38last year's phone to get the new 1i

1:30:40really down right well i think that

1:30:43would be still I do think that would be

1:30:45something to watch for like over the

1:30:47next couple of months the most

1:30:49interesting news in my opinion of the

1:30:51entire day

1:30:52the free iPhone 4 mm it looks like for

1:30:56us right feels like for us all your

1:30:59friends have a you know you will never

1:31:01feel like right like lesser person

1:31:04because you have an iphone4 right in

1:31:06terms of the iphone as a status is what

1:31:09who

1:31:09it basically it's the worst news

1:31:12possible for nokia windows 8 ecosystem

1:31:16and the part of the blackberry ecosystem

1:31:19not i'm not so sure how it impacts the

1:31:22Android but the two weakest players

1:31:25should be really worried about the free

1:31:27iPhone 4

1:31:28yeah and i have i still wonder i wonder

1:31:30how many of those they sell and I know

1:31:31that that the new the best-selling model

1:31:34is the highest one and the best-selling

1:31:35model for the next 20 years

1:31:36assuredly is going to be the iphone 5

1:31:38even though it's more expensive but i do

1:31:41think that those free phones are I think

1:31:45they're definitely important and i still

1:31:47think a lot of people it's a lot of

1:31:48times people maybe even go into the

1:31:50store thinking that's what they're going

1:31:51to get you know I'm going to get that

1:31:52free iPhone 4 and then they get talked

1:31:54into a ninety nine dollar upgrade to the

1:31:564s look at all these you know nvm knows

1:31:59we have out there you never spent a

1:32:01bunch of them that is prepared you know

1:32:03come in a contract I mean iphone 4 on

1:32:06prepaid contract for two years well any

1:32:08other big thing with the iphone for

1:32:11taking over as the free one is that now

1:32:16they've got it at verizon and sprint

1:32:17because the 3gs was only gsm right so in

1:32:22the u.s. it was only an AT&T now they've

1:32:24got one and all three of the major

1:32:26carriers and I think that's and that's a

1:32:28huge factory so now you can go into a

1:32:30verizon store and get a free iphone that

1:32:32I think that is the the probably the

1:32:35required earthquake that was unleashed

1:32:39in the market right now be fun to see

1:32:41what that does and i also think that it

1:32:44does it tightens up i mean in the 3gs

1:32:46served Apple very well I mean it's you

1:32:49know it's the first iphone that they did

1:32:52the thing where they keep it around year

1:32:53after year after year who knows how many

1:32:56magazines of them they had but it really

1:32:59was long in the tooth to never retina

1:33:00display and it didn't look like an

1:33:02iPhone like I feel like this sort of

1:33:04this form factor this rectangles and

1:33:08sort of straight edges look sort of has

1:33:11become the iphone brand and now all

1:33:14iphones that you can buy today have that

1:33:16same visual brand take it doesn't need a

1:33:19logo on the front there's no apple logo

1:33:21on the front doesn't say iphone on the

1:33:22front because the phone itself is the

1:33:25representation of the brand right yeah

1:33:28actually be very fun to see how that

1:33:30does you know there's a lot of second

1:33:32gear carriers who would make a lot of

1:33:35money on that thing just regency like

1:33:38law all these regional carriers they

1:33:40will sell a ton of those i'm pretty

1:33:44excited to see the outcome of that move

1:33:46so the other the other change to and you

1:33:49were praising their antenna design you

1:33:50know across the board but now they've

1:33:52gotten away from the external antenna

1:33:54design where now the exit did the

1:33:56outside is still metal but it's a it's

1:33:59all just unibody it's all just there for

1:34:01the frame which means there's no longer

1:34:05any kind of need for a bumper or a case

1:34:09for that and ten you know the whole

1:34:10antennagate attenuation issue so Apple

1:34:14isn't selling bumpers anymore

1:34:16the bumpers are maybe there's still

1:34:17something for the older ones but there's

1:34:19no bumpers for this phone

1:34:21no that's what I have no idea what

1:34:24they're selling for this one I'm going

1:34:26to be breaking up at like midnight on

1:34:28friday and put in my order in like

1:34:32everybody else so i have no clue tell

1:34:35them you know the other thing which is

1:34:39interesting about this event was was I

1:34:45just still think that the the the

1:34:48end-to-end unification of the production

1:34:52and the design language and

1:34:55manufacturing processes is going to

1:34:57drive down the costs are doing business

1:35:00for this company

1:35:01I think that's the mean night I think

1:35:03it's the key i think is the key part of

1:35:05their insane compared to everybody else

1:35:07profit margins is the way that they they

1:35:11they get these sort of spend a ton of

1:35:15money to make the first one

1:35:18but then make so many of them that it

1:35:20gets cheap right eye and another thing

1:35:22one of the way I keep thinking of other

1:35:24things for my notes here but another

1:35:25thing this is the first time this year

1:35:28that the ipod touch the new ipod touch

1:35:31has the exact same display as the new

1:35:34phone so like that the 4th generation

1:35:37ipod touch had a Retina display and had

1:35:40the exact same size and pixel density as

1:35:43the iphone four for us but it wasn't the

1:35:45same display anybody's ever looked at an

1:35:47ipod touch and iphone 4 4 s side-by-side

1:35:50knows it the colors are a little bit

1:35:51more washed-out just isn't quite as nice

1:35:53that I i double-checked with the pr at

1:35:57the hands-on area what jobs react set on

1:35:59stage was exactly true is the exact same

1:36:01display right and it's surely more

1:36:05expensive and I think that's why the

1:36:06starting prices on those new ipod

1:36:08touches are higher that they don't have

1:36:10one of those at 199 I but there's got to

1:36:13be a huge efficiency there where they're

1:36:16only making 14 inch display and no

1:36:20matter how many you know millions of

1:36:22each device they sell its one display

1:36:24right and they just keep cranking them

1:36:26out and they have two chips a5 and a6 s6

1:36:29at the top right and lower end is all 85

1:36:33like the using up all whatever is right

1:36:35now and like next year

1:36:37everything will be a six right that's

1:36:39pretty it's like very exactly what Intel

1:36:42used to do right like a charge a lot of

1:36:44money for the the pentium trees and

1:36:46pentium fours and the pentium celeron

1:36:49was selling cheaply and but then two

1:36:52years later you use that same technology

1:36:53and that was the high-end try to do

1:36:56something else now you're making it as

1:36:58the low end but you can make it it's

1:36:59almost like you can make it with your

1:37:01eyes closed at they got more start

1:37:02working for that home

1:37:05thank you for being here John honored to

1:37:07be on your podcast it's great show i

1:37:09listen to it every we can to love mylife

1:37:13big i was i I wish I could do this every

1:37:16week and have my guest here in person i

1:37:17feel like this was much more personable

1:37:19after open to help it

1:37:20hope it sounds like that when you listen

1:37:22to the show it's way better than

1:37:24doing it over skype absolutely and see

1:37:27you in San Francisco relatively soon

1:37:30yeah I think so yeah I didn't get up

1:37:33alright thanks