Roderick on the Line

Ep. 230: "Forest of Meat"


00:00:00   hello [TS]

00:00:05   thanks John I'm Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:08   super good [TS]

00:00:11   you sound good yeah thanks I'm [TS]

00:00:13   broadcasting live from Venice California [TS]

00:00:15   you sound like you have good internet [TS]

00:00:20   today [TS]

00:00:21   oh that's good you sound clear you sound [TS]

00:00:24   like you're in a Cathedral [TS]

00:00:25   oh well you know what it is i think i've [TS]

00:00:28   got a little natural reverb it's it's [TS]

00:00:31   got a nice it's got a nice crisp report [TS]

00:00:33   to it [TS]

00:00:34   well a crisp report em like this I like [TS]

00:00:40   that sound good [TS]

00:00:41   like the short happy life of Francis [TS]

00:00:43   Macomber that'sthat's to know that the [TS]

00:00:45   abortion one that's not like elephants [TS]

00:00:46   em down [TS]

00:00:48   I maybe i'll try on this episode maybe [TS]

00:00:50   all of you know trying to sound good you [TS]

00:00:53   talk about your gonna try on your end [TS]

00:00:55   so I some performance i think is we [TS]

00:00:57   could take that as a red right now right [TS]

00:00:59   now I'm always here i got i'm in the [TS]

00:01:01   moment [TS]

00:01:01   yeah but yeah you people don't like when [TS]

00:01:04   they can hear me typing I think my [TS]

00:01:05   typing has gotten louder with cow kamap [TS]

00:01:07   be well you know i'm not using my [TS]

00:01:10   keyboard i'm using mine on keyboard but [TS]

00:01:13   a little bit of a stay inside baseball [TS]

00:01:15   and sometimes you know i'm writing [TS]

00:01:17   things down that you said that with a [TS]

00:01:19   friend told me no no clicking I love the [TS]

00:01:22   electronic lifestyle now [TS]

00:01:23   yeah i mean this is that would you tell [TS]

00:01:26   panhandler you accept a bit clean but [TS]

00:01:34   you know I'm putting the show together [TS]

00:01:36   while the show's having everything that [TS]

00:01:38   happens on the show is on the show yeah [TS]

00:01:40   that's true [TS]

00:01:41   thank you as I said when I just typed [TS]

00:01:43   you I said there might be some [TS]

00:01:45   electronical troubleshooting but you [TS]

00:01:47   know that always makes for a great radio [TS]

00:01:49   great radio so you're in Venice what [TS]

00:01:52   well it's cold here my office is 63.9 [TS]

00:01:54   degrees that's insane well sometimes if [TS]

00:01:57   i run the dehumidifier heats it up a [TS]

00:01:59   little bit yeah it's the middle of [TS]

00:02:00   winter why should be cold [TS]

00:02:02   yeah I i live a very primitive modern [TS]

00:02:05   life so like my office without saying [TS]

00:02:08   too much i have a heater but it's kind [TS]

00:02:10   of on the [TS]

00:02:12   their side of the office and it doesn't [TS]

00:02:14   really reach me so it mostly really [TS]

00:02:16   heats up the area right by the door I'm [TS]

00:02:17   not have you tried a space heater [TS]

00:02:21   I i haven't I I feel like they might be [TS]

00:02:24   a dangerous scam m.o interested but I [TS]

00:02:27   don't know that's one of those things [TS]

00:02:28   where I feel like I need to really read [TS]

00:02:29   up on it because it reached that age in [TS]

00:02:31   life worry about electricity [TS]

00:02:33   well let me let me just save you a [TS]

00:02:35   little bit of that reading up [TS]

00:02:36   okay thank you there's a kind of space [TS]

00:02:39   heater which is effectively like a [TS]

00:02:41   radiator like a like a like and a water [TS]

00:02:47   radiator then let's take a look at [TS]

00:02:48   accordion [TS]

00:02:49   yeah it looks like a big accordion and [TS]

00:02:51   inside is some sort of lift fluid times [TS]

00:02:55   i'm guessing you know a some sort of [TS]

00:02:57   whale oil [TS]

00:02:58   hmm but it's completely sealed within [TS]

00:03:01   and then the electrical element just [TS]

00:03:04   heats up the liquid and it radiates just [TS]

00:03:08   like a radiator but it's a kind of [TS]

00:03:09   saying second-order heat it's not that [TS]

00:03:12   kind of heat where you get basically [TS]

00:03:13   like a big hair dryer doesn't scare me [TS]

00:03:16   it's not that crazy dry heat there's no [TS]

00:03:19   there's no element of it where if you [TS]

00:03:21   knocked it over it would catch paper on [TS]

00:03:23   fire [TS]

00:03:24   it's just a big tall you know it's just [TS]

00:03:26   a big sort of metal accordion that just [TS]

00:03:29   sort of being you know radiates this [TS]

00:03:33   very comfortable already mitigated heat [TS]

00:03:36   it's already been mitigated by the [TS]

00:03:38   Hollywood and love mitigated heat [TS]

00:03:40   yeah exactly I i want to end the phrase [TS]

00:03:43   I like a lot that i use occasionally I [TS]

00:03:44   want to take the edge off [TS]

00:03:46   I don't need the place to be hot right I [TS]

00:03:48   just needed to be less cold i think [TS]

00:03:50   there's a difference [TS]

00:03:51   so this is a very much the edges way off [TS]

00:03:54   of this heat I have one that I use in [TS]

00:03:58   you've been to my home and you have [TS]

00:04:00   there is a you know there's a there's a [TS]

00:04:02   secondary wing what I you know what I [TS]

00:04:05   call the other way and that wing when I [TS]

00:04:09   first moved into the house is like the [TS]

00:04:11   room under the stairs yeah but this is [TS]

00:04:13   the room next to know the room under the [TS]

00:04:15   stairs doesn't qualify as a wing because [TS]

00:04:17   it's just one more part of the part of [TS]

00:04:19   the thorax [TS]

00:04:20   yeah that's right it's it's in the house [TS]

00:04:23   because the wing is the is the room [TS]

00:04:25   adjacent to that which is like not part [TS]

00:04:29   of the house you open the door and you [TS]

00:04:31   go in and there's a whole other world in [TS]

00:04:33   there so that room but that sometimes if [TS]

00:04:36   it's not in the thorax [TS]

00:04:38   it's not benefiting from the nation heat [TS]

00:04:40   of the of the birdhouse are pretty small [TS]

00:04:43   right the when that when that win was [TS]

00:04:46   added to the house the furnace the the [TS]

00:04:50   hvac hookup was also added afterthought [TS]

00:04:54   the plumbing was at in it and every time [TS]

00:04:57   I let something go down the sink [TS]

00:05:00   let's say I imagine the way I imagined [TS]

00:05:03   the way it must travel all the way back [TS]

00:05:05   to where it goes into the city drain you [TS]

00:05:08   know however I never used to think about [TS]

00:05:09   these things and I think I think about [TS]

00:05:11   all this is something your family I feel [TS]

00:05:13   like it was somebody in your family for [TS]

00:05:15   generations back who worried about the [TS]

00:05:17   electricity coming out of outlets wasn't [TS]

00:05:20   something i said i think that was you [TS]

00:05:22   but somebody friend of mine was saying [TS]

00:05:23   how one of their older relatives some [TS]

00:05:25   generations back worried about the [TS]

00:05:28   electricity escaping from outlet and [TS]

00:05:30   like getting introduced into the house [TS]

00:05:32   no my people were very practical about [TS]

00:05:34   scientific matters and no one would have [TS]

00:05:37   no one had any superstitions not [TS]

00:05:39   practical science and your family for a [TS]

00:05:40   while now at just as I say it just as I [TS]

00:05:44   said I realize there is no superstition [TS]

00:05:47   in my family at all in any direction [TS]

00:05:51   there's no it seems like there's not a [TS]

00:05:53   lot of what they might be magic like [TS]

00:05:55   disney magic or the magic of Christmas [TS]

00:05:56   but it seems like you don't have a lot [TS]

00:05:58   of magical thinking in your family [TS]

00:06:00   there's a lot of crackpot thinking okay [TS]

00:06:03   alright that's a nice distinction and [TS]

00:06:05   some of it does extend to the spiritual [TS]

00:06:08   realm of the world of God causality no [TS]

00:06:13   no literally to the world observe [TS]

00:06:15   spirits [TS]

00:06:16   ok but I think it's more it's more a [TS]

00:06:20   that it had that has to do with the [TS]

00:06:22   cycle of life and have and whether or [TS]

00:06:25   not the cycle of life is is monitored or [TS]

00:06:30   whether the cycle of life is a [TS]

00:06:33   you know whether it's whether there's an [TS]

00:06:35   uncaused cause whether whether it's a [TS]

00:06:38   it's a clockwork that's you know there's [TS]

00:06:41   a lot of there's a lot of like kooky [TS]

00:06:44   let's say cookie theory or m-theory [TS]

00:06:48   essay for those of us for those [TS]

00:06:52   listeners who are currently at [TS]

00:06:54   universities it's it's a nude to new [TS]

00:06:56   discipline cook that could carry so yeah [TS]

00:06:59   but there's no no no one in my family [TS]

00:07:02   would ever hear a creek in the house and [TS]

00:07:04   I think I'm the only one maybe my sister [TS]

00:07:06   too but no one here creak in the house [TS]

00:07:08   and think it's a ghost [TS]

00:07:09   no one would you know my mom would not [TS]

00:07:13   hesitate to walk across its cemetery on [TS]

00:07:16   a moon a moonless windy night obviously [TS]

00:07:20   bring it on bring it on says says mom [TS]

00:07:23   yeah she's just she's got issues on this [TS]

00:07:24   side of the cemetery she's got to get to [TS]

00:07:26   that side of the cemetery it's the [TS]

00:07:28   quickest way you know so there's not [TS]

00:07:32   there's not a ton of like that kind of [TS]

00:07:35   whoo-hoo [TS]

00:07:37   but if you say to my mom [TS]

00:07:41   do you believe in karma [TS]

00:07:45   mhm yes [TS]

00:07:48   now who's running the car machine i [TS]

00:07:51   don't know right she doesn't care who's [TS]

00:07:54   running the car machine but she believes [TS]

00:07:56   people will get theirs [TS]

00:07:57   that's what people get pretty wound up [TS]

00:08:02   in in the thinking less about the carmen [TS]

00:08:04   more about the Machine and operator I [TS]

00:08:07   think that's another nice distinction [TS]

00:08:09   yeah yeah that's right that's right and [TS]

00:08:10   you know and and my mom is a big [TS]

00:08:12   proponent of reincarnation [TS]

00:08:14   yeah he told me this yeah but not [TS]

00:08:17   interested in the operation of the [TS]

00:08:19   mechanism i love this [TS]

00:08:21   it just is a bit it's just a feature [TS]

00:08:24   just as a just as the wind or just as [TS]

00:08:28   the just as the mountains or the earth [TS]

00:08:30   revolving around the Sun it just is a [TS]

00:08:32   it's like yeah there's a problem there's [TS]

00:08:36   a mechanism to get dinner phrase on [TS]

00:08:39   cargo cults a cargo cults yeah there was [TS]

00:08:44   a band called cargo [TS]

00:08:46   Alton well I mean the way I've heard [TS]

00:08:48   this and who knows this could be it [TS]

00:08:50   turns out a double turns out but we have [TS]

00:08:52   heard this explain was that there was a [TS]

00:08:54   point i think after World War Two where [TS]

00:08:58   the United States was delivering a lot [TS]

00:09:02   of aid to as the storm just the same as [TS]

00:09:06   the story goes so i'm going to edit this [TS]

00:09:08   for four times but because they were [TS]

00:09:10   Marshall Plan aid or other kind of like [TS]

00:09:13   it might have been even sooner but the [TS]

00:09:14   basic idea was that there were people on [TS]

00:09:16   fun very remote islands dotted around [TS]

00:09:20   the Pacific who needed a lot of help [TS]

00:09:24   yeah after the war and these were [TS]

00:09:26   delivered by very large cargo planes [TS]

00:09:29   right and so on a fairly periodic basis [TS]

00:09:34   a giant plane with land and these these [TS]

00:09:37   men in uniforms with headphones would [TS]

00:09:39   appear and come and bring food medicine [TS]

00:09:43   and and all different kinds of supplies [TS]

00:09:45   and the story goes that in some of these [TS]

00:09:49   places this became a kind of a guest [TS]

00:09:53   religion were basically they started [TS]

00:09:56   making headphones out of coconuts to [TS]

00:09:59   please the gods where they started [TS]

00:10:01   making out of like like Franz would make [TS]

00:10:04   the equivalent of like Abby what's a [TS]

00:10:07   what's a supply might be at the time you [TS]

00:10:10   waiting like a big plane make a big [TS]

00:10:12   plane out of Franz yeah let's let's call [TS]

00:10:14   it a you know what would they have been [TS]

00:10:16   it would have been a DC for okay yeah [TS]

00:10:19   yeah but the the way we get to this [TS]

00:10:21   though is that the story goes that the [TS]

00:10:24   these visits came and and people started [TS]

00:10:27   believing that it was their worship of [TS]

00:10:29   the gods and the sort of totems that [TS]

00:10:31   they made that were pleasing the gods [TS]

00:10:34   and catch them coming back [TS]

00:10:35   all right with this is true then the [TS]

00:10:37   story of course the turn is that for [TS]

00:10:39   years after those planes stop coming [TS]

00:10:41   people continued to make the idols they [TS]

00:10:44   thought they were doing something wrong [TS]

00:10:45   there because now the plans seems like [TS]

00:10:47   you could solve like so many things you [TS]

00:10:49   could solve that with better [TS]

00:10:50   communications but that's the story and [TS]

00:10:52   so that's a phrase people use a lot to [TS]

00:10:54   explain where why there's something we [TS]

00:10:56   end [TS]

00:10:57   doing and we're not sure exactly how we [TS]

00:10:59   started doing it that way and especially [TS]

00:11:01   like program called cargo Colton and [TS]

00:11:03   it's just this idea that like like well [TS]

00:11:05   why do we why do we always do it this [TS]

00:11:06   one way well that's the way we've always [TS]

00:11:09   done it and letting him die starvation [TS]

00:11:11   yet so must be working i'm very curious [TS]

00:11:13   about the way this exact kind of analogy [TS]

00:11:17   makes its way into computer people talk [TS]

00:11:20   yeah because it seems like every few [TS]

00:11:23   weeks it is revealed to me and maybe all [TS]

00:11:26   these things have been all maybe people [TS]

00:11:28   have been you know analogizing this as a [TS]

00:11:32   cargo cult for 25 years but it seems to [TS]

00:11:34   me every every few months [TS]

00:11:37   I'm an a new sort of analogous tech [TS]

00:11:41   syllogism mm-hmm arrives where a somehow [TS]

00:11:48   in the in the software business someone [TS]

00:11:51   says oh well you know you've heard the [TS]

00:11:53   phrase uh-huh you you've heard the [TS]

00:11:56   phrase the Arctic sandworm haven't you [TS]

00:11:59   and I'm like what's the architects and I [TS]

00:12:01   don't think that's big right now a lot [TS]

00:12:03   of people think about the Arctic's and [TS]

00:12:04   the hard exam where mrs. you know it's a [TS]

00:12:07   little bit of a mixed metaphor but well [TS]

00:12:09   then I don't like the idea of the Arctic [TS]

00:12:10   Sandler is but if you go somewhere [TS]

00:12:13   that's very very cold it's gonna look [TS]

00:12:14   like one continuous sheet of cold and [TS]

00:12:17   ice right which that seems logical but [TS]

00:12:20   shall continue this is a double turns [TS]

00:12:24   out and what I don't know what I don't [TS]

00:12:26   understand is somewhere because a lot of [TS]

00:12:28   the software engineers that I know are [TS]

00:12:30   not [TS]

00:12:31   yeah i don't know like how would they [TS]

00:12:35   know about a cargo cult let's just put [TS]

00:12:36   it that way but somewhere out there I [TS]

00:12:38   mean how do I not know about a cargo [TS]

00:12:40   cult that seems right in my wheels right [TS]

00:12:42   in your wheelhouse in but uh but [TS]

00:12:44   somewhere out there there is someone who [TS]

00:12:46   is trying to analogize a computer [TS]

00:12:49   problem or a systems problem who also [TS]

00:12:52   has in the their experience knowledge of [TS]

00:12:57   cargo cult something fairly arcane and [TS]

00:13:01   then also has the type of mind to relate [TS]

00:13:04   the two together in order to create a [TS]

00:13:05   new turn of [TS]

00:13:06   yeah well this goes i think this in some [TS]

00:13:10   ways goes back to a lot of jargon like [TS]

00:13:13   we're jargon comes from and you know [TS]

00:13:16   it's this is kind of a simplistic way to [TS]

00:13:19   look at this but like when you're trying [TS]

00:13:21   to talk about something like a business [TS]

00:13:22   model involving software and services it [TS]

00:13:27   can seem probably a little bit dry a [TS]

00:13:28   little bit gray you want a way to [TS]

00:13:31   physicalize or put into the real world [TS]

00:13:34   what it is that you're talking about and [TS]

00:13:35   cigarette up borrowing like almost like [TS]

00:13:38   like loan words and phrases and stories [TS]

00:13:41   and sometimes they are as they say very [TS]

00:13:43   sticky which is another piece of jargon [TS]

00:13:45   chicken like a cargo cult yeah [TS]

00:13:47   absolutely another one might be a [TS]

00:13:49   classic piece of jargon from the late [TS]

00:13:50   90s was boiling the ocean is familiar [TS]

00:13:53   with that one [TS]

00:13:54   how you have used the phrase boiling the [TS]

00:13:56   ocean before and but a lot of lot of [TS]

00:14:00   this jargon by the time it gets to me [TS]

00:14:02   it's already it's already a joke [TS]

00:14:05   yeah you've already been using it for a [TS]

00:14:07   long time and the first time I hear it [TS]

00:14:08   you are already putting a ton of like [TS]

00:14:12   ironic spin on it [TS]

00:14:13   yeah and so I'm like boiling why is [TS]

00:14:15   boiling me I think I think that's [TS]

00:14:17   hilarious boiling the ocean and you're [TS]

00:14:19   like is point because when the way you [TS]

00:14:21   communicated to me it already contains [TS]

00:14:23   the voices of the people who have said [TS]

00:14:26   it to you that you have contempt for ya [TS]

00:14:29   and that's partly yeah you're right [TS]

00:14:31   and part of that I think comes out of [TS]

00:14:33   having SAT through back in the day [TS]

00:14:35   having SAT through so many meetings and [TS]

00:14:39   lunches and just like conversations you [TS]

00:14:42   overhear where there are these certain [TS]

00:14:45   kinds of things that some very lively at [TS]

00:14:47   first these bits of jargon they sound [TS]

00:14:49   because they really capture a certain [TS]

00:14:50   idea if you don't try to boil the ocean [TS]

00:14:53   yeah I mean I'm trying to give a good [TS]

00:14:54   example of this but I think for example [TS]

00:14:56   that there there was for a time like for [TS]

00:14:59   example before people knew better during [TS]

00:15:01   the.com days people did a lot of [TS]

00:15:03   sometimes they were what you might call [TS]

00:15:05   a pure digital play where you might say [TS]

00:15:07   hey look we're going to make this new [TS]

00:15:09   way of like finding information but a [TS]

00:15:11   lot of times as things got a little more [TS]

00:15:13   ambitious you get like a pets.com st [TS]

00:15:16   pets.com you say well like we don't [TS]

00:15:17   really have anything yet but we're gonna [TS]

00:15:19   head [TS]

00:15:19   is this thing where you can get a 40 [TS]

00:15:21   pound bag of dog food delivered to your [TS]

00:15:24   house and so in you know insufficient [TS]

00:15:27   just for pets [TS]

00:15:28   well it could be i mean if you're hungry [TS]

00:15:30   enough anything food you know but but [TS]

00:15:33   like this this came up a lot like at the [TS]

00:15:35   place where I work which is a real [TS]

00:15:36   estate dot-com and the observed the boil [TS]

00:15:39   the ocean idea it would pretty much what [TS]

00:15:41   it sounds like [TS]

00:15:42   which is that you know that this this [TS]

00:15:44   crazy idea we have for business will [TS]

00:15:46   work as long as and probably large [TS]

00:15:49   number of people that we have no reason [TS]

00:15:51   to believe whatever do this do this for [TS]

00:15:53   way more money than we expected for way [TS]

00:15:55   longer than we expected and we're going [TS]

00:15:57   to put a tremendous amount of effort [TS]

00:15:58   into doing something like for example [TS]

00:16:00   let's say you're going to spend all this [TS]

00:16:02   time getting doing research on every [TS]

00:16:04   person in the united states and sending [TS]

00:16:06   them exactly the right amount of coupon [TS]

00:16:07   for something we're still losing money [TS]

00:16:09   on every order and he's describing the [TS]

00:16:11   business model of indie rock to how [TS]

00:16:13   should talk about that but that's [TS]

00:16:16   because the demo the demo so I'm not [TS]

00:16:19   putting that particularly well but like [TS]

00:16:20   that you get things like open the kimono [TS]

00:16:21   which is what i'm saying i'm going to [TS]

00:16:23   speak openly about this as though I was [TS]

00:16:25   showing you my dick in a rope [TS]

00:16:26   well that's the thing the first time you [TS]

00:16:28   said open the kimono to me you know it [TS]

00:16:30   it came in the middle of I think maybe [TS]

00:16:33   at the time you were talking into your [TS]

00:16:34   wallet yeah that was me that was [TS]

00:16:36   formerly man and I was like yeah when [TS]

00:16:39   you were man and I said Wow open the [TS]

00:16:41   kimono and you know what it made me [TS]

00:16:43   think of was Hawkeye Pierce and pj [TS]

00:16:45   Honeycutt bathroom defending a man they [TS]

00:16:48   were on leave in Seoul we're standing by [TS]

00:16:50   their still let you know when they would [TS]

00:16:53   wear literally go to Tokyo or so when [TS]

00:16:55   they wear a little kimono yeah they go [TS]

00:16:56   to Tokyo for for some massages [TS]

00:16:59   there are from R&R and they be wearing a [TS]

00:17:02   kimono in your any and so opening the [TS]

00:17:04   kimono obviously like when i first heard [TS]

00:17:06   it was shocking and titillating yeah um [TS]

00:17:08   the first time somebody said who moved [TS]

00:17:10   my cheese up w you know what you just [TS]

00:17:13   did a really good hot guy impression [TS]

00:17:15   right there [TS]

00:17:17   ah my partner to the few but i'm just [TS]

00:17:23   curious because it's a like I understand [TS]

00:17:27   that business school is ninety-eight [TS]

00:17:29   percent just coming up with this type of [TS]

00:17:31   thing [TS]

00:17:32   because there's because people are [TS]

00:17:34   paying a lot of money to go to business [TS]

00:17:35   school and its end there and nothing [TS]

00:17:37   actually happens there except for the [TS]

00:17:39   communication got a lot of questions lot [TS]

00:17:41   of questions about business school [TS]

00:17:42   because kind of like who moved my cheese [TS]

00:17:44   level of insight into the world but but [TS]

00:17:48   I don't understand when the language is [TS]

00:17:50   so colorful when it's such a you know [TS]

00:17:53   like a cargo cult in and of itself is a [TS]

00:17:57   fascinating reference to make once in [TS]

00:18:00   your lifetime you know and it requires [TS]

00:18:03   so much explanation as to what it is [TS]

00:18:06   that it that its usefulness is also kind [TS]

00:18:12   of predicated on an idea that this is a [TS]

00:18:14   very small inclusive culture just to say [TS]

00:18:17   cargo cult is also not just like as a [TS]

00:18:22   metaphor but it's also a code that says [TS]

00:18:24   absolutely absolutely [TS]

00:18:26   anyway that understands this has already [TS]

00:18:28   read the wikipedia page and the only way [TS]

00:18:31   they did that is that someone initiated [TS]

00:18:33   them into the into the understanding of [TS]

00:18:35   this representative language becomes it [TS]

00:18:38   goes from being so you have looked on a [TS]

00:18:40   technical basis you might have jargon [TS]

00:18:42   whether certain kinds of things that [TS]

00:18:43   people use as like a heuristic to get [TS]

00:18:46   past a certain concept we all basically [TS]

00:18:48   understand but then it goes from jargon [TS]

00:18:50   to being really like a patch wha-what [TS]

00:18:53   like you can you can say these phrases [TS]

00:18:56   and it shows it's just like you're one [TS]

00:18:57   of your Brooks Brothers suit it shows [TS]

00:18:59   that you're part of the in-group when [TS]

00:19:01   you're able to make the right reference [TS]

00:19:03   at the right time in a non-title betide [TS]

00:19:05   you if you make a reference that's too [TS]

00:19:06   old because that shows that you're not [TS]

00:19:08   up on the latest nobody is boiling the [TS]

00:19:10   ocean these days but but but my mic for [TS]

00:19:14   curiosity is where is that that being [TS]

00:19:17   generated like who are mean I because I [TS]

00:19:21   know a lot of people in business [TS]

00:19:23   obviously don't know as many people in [TS]

00:19:25   in internet business as you but they [TS]

00:19:29   don't in general seem like language [TS]

00:19:32   generators you know but somewhere in the [TS]

00:19:34   machine [TS]

00:19:35   there are people who are [TS]

00:19:37   frustrated poets or yeah for sure [TS]

00:19:40   somehow using this laying the using [TS]

00:19:44   language this way and incorporating what [TS]

00:19:45   they read into creating new language to [TS]

00:19:48   describe processes I it's a I just love [TS]

00:19:53   it and I wish that there was some kind [TS]

00:19:55   of because it's you know it's like this [TS]

00:19:57   is the etymology right and some some [TS]

00:19:59   days some etymologist is going to have [TS]

00:20:01   to is gonna have to wade through all [TS]

00:20:03   this a beach grass to find like who did [TS]

00:20:08   that come from [TS]

00:20:09   I know right and it and and something [TS]

00:20:11   like cargo called it feels like it has [TS]

00:20:13   an originator it's not something that [TS]

00:20:16   just got into the parlance by you know [TS]

00:20:20   the like the same way that that so many [TS]

00:20:25   of our phrases kind of come from [TS]

00:20:26   Shakespeare but but forget get mangled [TS]

00:20:30   on the way or from the Bible but like [TS]

00:20:32   this is a this feels like one person use [TS]

00:20:37   this the first time right and they were [TS]

00:20:39   so clever but we don't have a record of [TS]

00:20:41   his life he presented TEDTalk 0 [TS]

00:20:45   it's like it's where for the the font [TS]

00:20:47   from from which so much of this these [TS]

00:20:50   mental models come from right not just [TS]

00:20:52   the font but also the font and found [TS]

00:20:56   mr.right yeah my three [TS]

00:20:58   it was absolutely right baby you know i [TS]

00:21:00   think i think mental models can be very [TS]

00:21:02   powerful and you know is that guy the [TS]

00:21:04   guy who wrote that book don't think of [TS]

00:21:05   an elephant before that he'd written [TS]

00:21:07   those things like off had written a book [TS]

00:21:08   called metaphors we live by this whole [TS]

00:21:11   deal is a Knothole deal but a lot of [TS]

00:21:14   what he talks about has to do with the [TS]

00:21:15   metaphors are more than just a way of [TS]

00:21:18   understanding a situation that's foreign [TS]

00:21:20   to us or you know that we have an [TS]

00:21:22   experienced before the metaphors [TS]

00:21:23   actually become a way that get sort of [TS]

00:21:25   ingrained in our thinking so I don't [TS]

00:21:27   have mental models exactly the right [TS]

00:21:29   word but you know life is a journey you [TS]

00:21:31   know that there's basically all these [TS]

00:21:33   things and you might even move my cheese [TS]

00:21:36   that's just definitely one of them [TS]

00:21:37   but just the idea that you know I think [TS]

00:21:40   what you're talking about here is that [TS]

00:21:41   there's an idea that grabs you and you [TS]

00:21:45   make some kind of connection in your own [TS]

00:21:46   head and go i get that joke or I [TS]

00:21:48   understand that reference and then it [TS]

00:21:49   can be difficult to shake you know and [TS]

00:21:52   and there are certain kinds of like [TS]

00:21:53   pithy you know kind of almost [TS]

00:21:55   Shakespearean like rhythmic little bits [TS]

00:21:58   of language that people say and repeat [TS]

00:21:59   and repeat over and over again and [TS]

00:22:02   sometimes might it might take a few [TS]

00:22:04   months for to catch on but then it might [TS]

00:22:05   take a decade for people to really kind [TS]

00:22:07   of unpack welcome what is that really [TS]

00:22:08   what doesn't really move and is that is [TS]

00:22:10   that still like that it does that [TS]

00:22:12   heuristic still work as a way to explain [TS]

00:22:14   the way things are happening right now [TS]

00:22:16   yeah i mean i imagine like a phrase like [TS]

00:22:18   rat race [TS]

00:22:19   there was a time when only people i mean [TS]

00:22:24   you know that that probably came you [TS]

00:22:27   know rat race is one of those things [TS]

00:22:28   where it might have come from a [TS]

00:22:30   Elizabethan England when people actually [TS]

00:22:32   were racing rats but it also could be a [TS]

00:22:35   thing that entered the lexicon in the [TS]

00:22:38   fifties when scientists were doing a lot [TS]

00:22:41   of experiments on on rats in mazes and I [TS]

00:22:46   bet it's I bet it's just the way that I [TS]

00:22:48   mean I'm soon as now there's certainly [TS]

00:22:50   going to be a double or triple or [TS]

00:22:51   quadruple turns out here but I imagine [TS]

00:22:53   it's what it looks like when you watch a [TS]

00:22:55   bunch of people moving through manhattan [TS]

00:22:59   it looks like a bunch of rats racing [TS]

00:23:01   well sure but it but in order to in [TS]

00:23:03   order to make the connection i wonder if [TS]

00:23:05   at that at in its earliest stages [TS]

00:23:08   whether rat race was also a little bit [TS]

00:23:11   of insider language in that you had to [TS]

00:23:13   be educated enough to understand that [TS]

00:23:15   scientists were like not not just [TS]

00:23:19   observing humans in the like a level one [TS]

00:23:24   of my time trying to get like a like [TS]

00:23:26   because we use well and went against a [TS]

00:23:30   long time but like habit trails you [TS]

00:23:31   remember when I want everybody have a [TS]

00:23:33   trail when everybody had a Habitrail and [TS]

00:23:35   and there and there it was a very [TS]

00:23:37   popular that was that was piqued Amster [TS]

00:23:39   yeah very popular a analogy in its time [TS]

00:23:43   to think of yourself as a hamster on a [TS]

00:23:46   wheel [TS]

00:23:47   for a hamster within a Habitrail which [TS]

00:23:49   you know which meant that you were [TS]

00:23:50   exploring your whole environment you had [TS]

00:23:52   this whole environment you lived in but [TS]

00:23:54   you weren't cognizant of the fact that [TS]

00:23:56   this was just a let the wheel wasn't [TS]

00:23:58   going anywhere [TS]

00:23:59   yeah i miss that this and it was an ant [TS]

00:24:01   farm and that's another one that but you [TS]

00:24:04   don't use and far more Habitrail [TS]

00:24:06   references anymore because nobody has in [TS]

00:24:08   farms or rabbit trails like those pads [TS]

00:24:12   have passed [TS]

00:24:12   yeah but i wonder i mean there are a lot [TS]

00:24:15   of things I think that we use that that [TS]

00:24:17   the analogy was at one point in time [TS]

00:24:19   sort of predicated on on being a member [TS]

00:24:23   of us much smaller group that understood [TS]

00:24:26   that scientists were working on rats or [TS]

00:24:28   that understood what a what a what some [TS]

00:24:32   of these you know like school hoops or [TS]

00:24:34   whatever but like I mean like maybe a [TS]

00:24:36   common one would be all the various [TS]

00:24:38   spins on point I'm going to remember [TS]

00:24:42   words always right in front of you BF [TS]

00:24:45   Skinner and Pavlov some all the [TS]

00:24:47   variations online like a pigeon checking [TS]

00:24:51   for a pellet which is another kind of in [TS]

00:24:53   some ways related to the cargo cult idea [TS]

00:24:54   or the idea of the Pavlovian response [TS]

00:24:57   right that have lost dog got ya jus like [TS]

00:25:00   a like exactly how we were and and I [TS]

00:25:03   remember first being introduced to that [TS]

00:25:05   concept and having to have pavlof [TS]

00:25:07   explain to me and it's pretty gruesome [TS]

00:25:10   experiment when you really read about it [TS]

00:25:11   you know you know about this [TS]

00:25:13   yeah we're just sitting here with a shot [TS]

00:25:15   glass trying to capture spill I think [TS]

00:25:17   they actually cut a hole into the dog [TS]

00:25:19   and then put like a special channel in [TS]

00:25:21   there so they can capture scientifically [TS]

00:25:23   well you gotta captured scientifically [TS]

00:25:26   that's why you get around a label [TS]

00:25:27   science [TS]

00:25:28   listen if you can't if you can't find a [TS]

00:25:31   reason to cut a hole into a dog I don't [TS]

00:25:32   think you're doing science that's a [TS]

00:25:34   really good point about a champ for a [TS]

00:25:36   monkey but we should be sure you cut [TS]

00:25:37   monkeys a coconut monkeys right and left [TS]

00:25:41   not that sounds like an indie-rock term [TS]

00:25:42   right coming up monkey [TS]

00:25:44   haha cutting monkeys if i don't hear [TS]

00:25:46   that yeah we described eternity and [TS]

00:25:49   Craft services by the by the end I was [TS]

00:25:51   cutting out Monkees well i think i think [TS]

00:25:52   it's going to be much more thing where a [TS]

00:25:54   guy in a boardroom who's not wearing a [TS]

00:25:56   tie [TS]

00:25:57   because because real rich people don't [TS]

00:26:00   have to wear times [TS]

00:26:01   alright well i'm going to start [TS]

00:26:02   capturing i will be typing here I must [TS]

00:26:04   examine a few of these that we might be [TS]

00:26:05   able to introduce as a service to our [TS]

00:26:07   listeners these are some potentially [TS]

00:26:09   context-free jargon phrases I really is [TS]

00:26:12   a little bit of a letterman bit here but [TS]

00:26:13   if they come up i would like to have [TS]

00:26:15   some some new phrases that we could [TS]

00:26:18   encourage people for the year 2017 to [TS]

00:26:20   start introducing in their life and you [TS]

00:26:22   can decide what it means [TS]

00:26:23   yeah i think that cutting cutting a hole [TS]

00:26:24   in a dog uh-huh that's real good cut [TS]

00:26:27   monkeys [TS]

00:26:28   ok also good and I think those represent [TS]

00:26:31   very different business processes [TS]

00:26:33   uh-huh um you got to cut a hole like [TS]

00:26:35   these are really grounded in fiscal how [TS]

00:26:37   about maybe like put your head in the [TS]

00:26:39   freezer put your well so here's the [TS]

00:26:42   thing this is actually a good analogy [TS]

00:26:44   ok i was reading the other day that if [TS]

00:26:47   you have mods in your cashmere and [TS]

00:26:50   models in your cashmere [TS]

00:26:51   mm that's another one guy that got it if [TS]

00:26:55   you have models in your cashmere don't [TS]

00:26:57   be alarmed now it's just bringing in a [TS]

00:26:59   queen [TS]

00:27:02   one thing you should do respect what you [TS]

00:27:09   can do is put your cashmere in the [TS]

00:27:10   freezer [TS]

00:27:11   oh I know I know it's serious ok that's [TS]

00:27:14   all so so I don't want to use kashmir [TS]

00:27:17   and all these things right let down that [TS]

00:27:19   I did it as a possible John that [TS]

00:27:26   everything we have to learn can be found [TS]

00:27:28   in the lyrics of led zeppelin to do I [TS]

00:27:30   believe it i believe i have already [TS]

00:27:32   lived this philosopher Gary and one word [TS]

00:27:35   my will sustain it's all it's all [TS]

00:27:38   connected with confounded bridge it's [TS]

00:27:41   all in less that far ahead of this [TS]

00:27:45   yeah so so put your role in the freezer [TS]

00:27:47   let's call the phrase alright which one [TS]

00:27:48   the fries right that so that's like not [TS]

00:27:51   just a prophylactic [TS]

00:27:53   it's also the Emergency Response this [TS]

00:27:55   the same time Lucinda had some of these [TS]

00:27:57   feel like they could be from Silicon [TS]

00:28:00   Valley boardroom where they might be for [TS]

00:28:02   Will Rogers right [TS]

00:28:04   wow what will countries would say put [TS]

00:28:07   your woman freezer right okay i'll let [TS]

00:28:09   you win the freezer about me sometimes [TS]

00:28:13   even a Dirt Farmer needs to fill the [TS]

00:28:14   tractor from that too long even a Dirt [TS]

00:28:18   Farmer needs two yeah we got a short in [TS]

00:28:19   that down ok alright umm hmmm what could [TS]

00:28:23   it be [TS]

00:28:24   let's see your your heart will break [TS]

00:28:27   your glasses because you don't like the [TS]

00:28:28   movie [TS]

00:28:29   don't break your glasses because you [TS]

00:28:31   don't like the movie you know I think we [TS]

00:28:34   got lots jazz it up don't sit on your [TS]

00:28:36   glasses because you don't like the mad [TS]

00:28:37   about that don't sell your glasses that [TS]

00:28:40   make you know that don't sell your [TS]

00:28:42   glasses because you don't like the movie [TS]

00:28:43   see that but those are that's stretching [TS]

00:28:45   a little bit you want something that's [TS]

00:28:47   gonna be a lot picture that's not boil [TS]

00:28:48   the ocean [TS]

00:28:49   ya know boil the ocean that should be [TS]

00:28:51   our thing we can make a little more [TS]

00:28:52   mysterious we could just say things like [TS]

00:28:54   yet jiggle the handle [TS]

00:28:57   ok jiggle the handle there you go put [TS]

00:28:59   that down right i mean this is all the [TS]

00:29:01   thing is this is just blue sky solution [TS]

00:29:03   earring at this point we're just we're [TS]

00:29:04   just putting ideas on the board [TS]

00:29:06   yeah right i don't take your windshield [TS]

00:29:08   wipers off despite the rain [TS]

00:29:09   ok i'll spit into the wind will not pull [TS]

00:29:12   the mask off the old lone ranger right [TS]

00:29:14   and don't mess around we don't mess [TS]

00:29:15   around with jim that's number three [TS]

00:29:17   you know what don't mess around with jim [TS]

00:29:18   is a is a pretty good i I can't remember [TS]

00:29:21   i wasn't trafficking in adult life in [TS]

00:29:25   the seventies amongst adults who would [TS]

00:29:28   say things like don't mess around with [TS]

00:29:30   jim mhm you know like the adults that [TS]

00:29:32   were standing around me who's a language [TS]

00:29:35   i was trying to pick up on they weren't [TS]

00:29:38   wearing blue jeans you know what I mean [TS]

00:29:39   right [TS]

00:29:41   I barely knew anyone that any adult [TS]

00:29:44   person who had ever worn blue jeans I [TS]

00:29:47   did the home dungarees a yeah I believe [TS]

00:29:50   you know my dad certainly didn't wasn't [TS]

00:29:52   going to wear a pair of dungarees [TS]

00:29:54   don't know a lot of John I've known [TS]

00:29:55   Bobby I've done a lot of adults like [TS]

00:29:57   this [TS]

00:29:58   I've known thinkin of the father of a [TS]

00:30:01   lady friend of mine whose father wore a [TS]

00:30:04   suit for everything and like when it was [TS]

00:30:07   time for him to dress up for Halloween [TS]

00:30:08   he wore a suit buddy a towel and said [TS]

00:30:10   that he was a chic haha because he [TS]

00:30:14   couldn't suffer the idea of appearing [TS]

00:30:16   anywhere not in at that time a [TS]

00:30:17   three-piece suit right [TS]

00:30:19   what I think I've told you the story [TS]

00:30:21   almost certainly I have the that at [TS]

00:30:23   Christmastime in 1984 or something i had [TS]

00:30:30   been introduced to Levis but my mom was [TS]

00:30:34   telling the story the other day where [TS]

00:30:36   she said you know in 1983 or something I [TS]

00:30:40   took Susan my sister who is my mom [TS]

00:30:44   talking she took her to the thrift store [TS]

00:30:45   because my sister was a punk rocker and [TS]

00:30:48   my mom said you know go crazy you can [TS]

00:30:50   buy as much much stuff it in this thrift [TS]

00:30:52   store as you want and so Susan bought 15 [TS]

00:30:56   bags of of like a bebop dresses or their [TS]

00:31:03   dollar the dollar went a long way at a [TS]

00:31:05   thrift store at that time [TS]

00:31:06   oh my god and there was so much genius [TS]

00:31:08   stuff because there was an unless you're [TS]

00:31:10   getting a suit you might spend three to [TS]

00:31:11   six dollars on a suit but like but [TS]

00:31:13   really two dollars was the most you [TS]

00:31:15   would spend on a shirt for example three [TS]

00:31:17   other pair of pants and hipsters weren't [TS]

00:31:19   really there yet in all mass and so [TS]

00:31:22   through stores were full of fifties [TS]

00:31:24   Levi's all this was the case let's be [TS]

00:31:26   honest had recently died you're getting [TS]

00:31:28   quality stuff from people with good [TS]

00:31:30   taste [TS]

00:31:31   well and also a up to a certain point [TS]

00:31:34   there was no what we would call now bad [TS]

00:31:37   stuff you know like all that stuff was [TS]

00:31:40   handmade somewhere in new york city by a [TS]

00:31:42   in in like a in the garment district [TS]

00:31:45   even the cheap clothes were like i used [TS]

00:31:47   a diff told you this but I used to have [TS]

00:31:49   a to focus Ryan is developing like [TS]

00:31:51   collections and there was cautioned not [TS]

00:31:55   to remember now but you for years [TS]

00:31:56   jcpenney had a line of like basically [TS]

00:32:01   not not not feel somewhat the kind of a [TS]

00:32:03   little bit like Pendleton they had like [TS]

00:32:05   these really nice like plaid [TS]

00:32:06   work shirts that they made for years the [TS]

00:32:08   name is escaping me but for years and [TS]

00:32:10   years if you I would just look through [TS]

00:32:11   the labels and look for those and find [TS]

00:32:13   those because they were always really [TS]

00:32:14   great i call paul westerberg sure it's [TS]

00:32:16   clear Paul Westerberg whenever one of [TS]

00:32:17   these but that was a terrific shirt and [TS]

00:32:19   this is in the days before the ground [TS]

00:32:20   she got understand for the gun and [TS]

00:32:22   everything [TS]

00:32:23   oh yeah before the crunch so she goes [TS]

00:32:24   and she buys shoes bags dresses well and [TS]

00:32:27   so she was mocking me in this [TS]

00:32:28   conversation this conversation happened [TS]

00:32:30   a week ago by the way and she said yeah [TS]

00:32:33   and at that point in time jon was always [TS]

00:32:35   you know he was in his preppy phase and [TS]

00:32:38   so he had to go to nordstrom and for the [TS]

00:32:41   cost of three garbage bags full of [TS]

00:32:43   sixties close that Susan Bobby Jon only [TS]

00:32:45   got one shirt long haul and I said let [TS]

00:32:51   me set the record straight here [TS]

00:32:52   first of all I never owned a shirt with [TS]

00:32:57   a logo on it because my mom even at the [TS]

00:33:01   time would have mocked me mercilessly [TS]

00:33:03   for their own smiling alligator shirt [TS]

00:33:05   yeah I made smile and alligators instead [TS]

00:33:07   and second of all the only time my mom [TS]

00:33:10   ever took me to nordstrom was during [TS]

00:33:11   their half-yearly men sale that happened [TS]

00:33:14   like basically right about now right [TS]

00:33:16   after Christmas and I was you know I was [TS]

00:33:18   allowed to shop in certain sections and [TS]

00:33:21   I i was constantly going to school [TS]

00:33:23   everybody else had my keys with a red [TS]

00:33:25   stripe and I was wearing stay Diaz or [TS]

00:33:28   some shoes that have to remember that [TS]

00:33:30   they had a whale on WIC and I had a [TS]

00:33:34   wonderful was Montgomery Ward's or [TS]

00:33:36   pennies but what I mean the thing is [TS]

00:33:37   this is the time when you had to have [TS]

00:33:39   you are in a key person or you were in a [TS]

00:33:41   devious person or you were a weirdo and [TS]

00:33:43   most of the kids were making people [TS]

00:33:45   having you sure she didn't have a whale [TS]

00:33:47   or a fox on had a pair for monkey Ward's [TS]

00:33:50   that had four stripes instead of three [TS]

00:33:51   on a little worse for the upside down [TS]

00:33:55   almost swoosh around 1981 one of the [TS]

00:33:58   brands the department store brand [TS]

00:33:59   started putting it was like a swoosh but [TS]

00:34:01   it was like it was Drew's going upside [TS]

00:34:03   down and not quite a solution in sight [TS]

00:34:05   I mean ye you're better off you're [TS]

00:34:07   better off you know you know where [TS]

00:34:09   napkins on your feet look like such chod [TS]

00:34:11   I would and and so this is this is the [TS]

00:34:14   the like the fashion [TS]

00:34:16   the the like wasteful fashion maven that [TS]

00:34:21   I supposedly was when i was in ninth [TS]

00:34:22   grade just desperately trying not to get [TS]

00:34:25   thrown into a pot of boiling oil and I [TS]

00:34:27   was already not i was nowhere even in [TS]

00:34:30   the running [TS]

00:34:31   I just didn't want to wear things like [TS]

00:34:34   you're saying that were that were [TS]

00:34:35   visibly knockoffs of a thing right now [TS]

00:34:38   and and so is it because it looks like [TS]

00:34:40   here's the thing it looks like you think [TS]

00:34:42   you're pulling it off and there's [TS]

00:34:44   nothing that makes you look weaker than [TS]

00:34:46   not pulling off something in acting like [TS]

00:34:47   you're pulling it off [TS]

00:34:48   yeah let you either that you're pulling [TS]

00:34:50   it off or that you are so blind to what [TS]

00:34:54   constitutes good that you think there's [TS]

00:34:58   no difference which is even a worse a [TS]

00:35:01   like thing to put on you write that [TS]

00:35:04   you're just like all these are these [TS]

00:35:06   have a red stripe [TS]

00:35:07   uh-huh and you don't even have the like [TS]

00:35:09   the the visual information processing [TS]

00:35:12   power to know that the stripe is upside [TS]

00:35:14   down and there's a time in your life [TS]

00:35:15   that where you can imagine like you know [TS]

00:35:17   if somebody did buy you a pair of $15 [TS]

00:35:19   shoes that the wrong stripes on you feel [TS]

00:35:21   like what is wrong with you [TS]

00:35:23   you'd be like that that's how I feel [TS]

00:35:24   today like I still don't know who Nelly [TS]

00:35:26   is oh yeah [TS]

00:35:28   either you know the feeling that like [TS]

00:35:30   there's dunno where it happened but I [TS]

00:35:31   pass through some some kind of long [TS]

00:35:34   hallway at some point and I just know [TS]

00:35:35   what the fuck's going on anymore [TS]

00:35:36   well I it was also a time of course when [TS]

00:35:39   you couldn't if somebody bought you a [TS]

00:35:40   fifteen dollar pair of shoes you [TS]

00:35:42   couldn't not wear them [TS]

00:35:43   oh come on right it's not like you're [TS]

00:35:45   it's not like you're going to put them [TS]

00:35:46   in the closet and never touch them [TS]

00:35:47   because they're female and you know you [TS]

00:35:49   have to look at it when you go and get a [TS]

00:35:50   job you can go by your $40 necks exactly [TS]

00:35:53   anyway so it looks like nice nice [TS]

00:35:57   immediately six months after this you [TS]

00:36:00   know this particular moment when my mom [TS]

00:36:02   is describing me as like the the biggest [TS]

00:36:04   most wasteful like land pig she'd ever [TS]

00:36:08   seen and I was I had figured out [TS]

00:36:11   oh you can buy preppy clothes at thrift [TS]

00:36:13   stores too and then you know but [TS]

00:36:16   apparently I still in in my men my mom's [TS]

00:36:18   version of the world i'm still like this [TS]

00:36:20   guy of throwing money at izod shirt so I [TS]

00:36:23   don't even know there's this thing [TS]

00:36:25   she'll never [TS]

00:36:26   visual acuity maybe she thought my smile [TS]

00:36:27   an alligator really was a anyway all [TS]

00:36:30   worse than a snob on a budget think so [TS]

00:36:35   all this is to describe that moment when [TS]

00:36:39   I had gotten hip to Levis finally yeah [TS]

00:36:42   and i bought online what are we talkin [TS]

00:36:44   here eighties nineties never known him [TS]

00:36:47   for mid eighties I resisted them for a [TS]

00:36:49   while until things when they were still [TS]

00:36:50   this is when they were still I mean [TS]

00:36:54   levis are costly now but you could do [TS]

00:36:56   you get you some twenty dollar Levi's [TS]

00:36:57   back then [TS]

00:36:58   well but also their world there were so [TS]

00:37:01   many rules about wearing Levi's because [TS]

00:37:03   they were the only jeans other than [TS]

00:37:05   Wranglers with nobody was gonna wear or [TS]

00:37:07   they survived the great gene Wars mm I [TS]

00:37:10   mean that they were always going to be [TS]

00:37:11   wrangler and Lee people and yeah but but [TS]

00:37:14   Levi's really emerged as the go-to they [TS]

00:37:17   started as the go-to denim brand and [TS]

00:37:19   ended as to go to denim brand and partly [TS]

00:37:21   I think this no I don't want to get into [TS]

00:37:23   too much of it turns out here I'm not [TS]

00:37:24   gonna go freakonomics on this [TS]

00:37:25   go ahead i think it well i think in the [TS]

00:37:27   same way that there was backlash against [TS]

00:37:29   Disko because of homophobia and racism I [TS]

00:37:32   think in some ways that was giant [TS]

00:37:33   backlash against designer jeans because [TS]

00:37:34   they they seem snooty right and and [TS]

00:37:37   being well and they seemed kind of disco [TS]

00:37:39   the idea of spending forty dollars or [TS]

00:37:41   eighty dollars on a funeral gloria [TS]

00:37:43   vanderbilt jeans writer Jordache guess [TS]

00:37:47   jeans Caliban and the thing is a lot of [TS]

00:37:49   people are listening they're not [TS]

00:37:50   understanding because now of course [TS]

00:37:52   there are a thousand kinds of very [TS]

00:37:53   expensive jeans now get Levi's in the [TS]

00:37:56   fifty dollars and it that's that's like [TS]

00:37:58   some of the less expensive brand jeans [TS]

00:38:00   oh dude you can spend 250 dollars on a [TS]

00:38:02   pair of jeans just I could I could I [TS]

00:38:04   could throw a baseball from where I'm [TS]

00:38:05   sitting and hit a pair $215 jeans for [TS]

00:38:08   sale you got a good arm [TS]

00:38:09   well you know yeah i'm also sitting [TS]

00:38:11   pretty darn close to an expensive jeans [TS]

00:38:14   place I was Alexander sent me some new [TS]

00:38:17   jeans [TS]

00:38:18   yeah and then I found out what they cost [TS]

00:38:19   and I was a little bit beside myself [TS]

00:38:22   we've talked about this before the the [TS]

00:38:23   arrival on the scene of the seven from [TS]

00:38:25   mankind jeans that suddenly made [TS]

00:38:27   everybody's butt look good [TS]

00:38:29   and and prior to that i really do think [TS]

00:38:31   in these terms that prior to that moment [TS]

00:38:33   the 720 mankind like technology but [TS]

00:38:38   technology but shaping technology and [TS]

00:38:41   jeans I still don't understand how it [TS]

00:38:42   works but there was a there was a time [TS]

00:38:44   before this when you [TS]

00:38:48   mm when you look across a cityscape [TS]

00:38:49   looking at but as I so often did yeah [TS]

00:38:54   you saw a whole range of butts up [TS]

00:38:57   monopoly of butts and some were good and [TS]

00:38:59   some were bad and some of the square and [TS]

00:39:01   some looked you know like pears and [TS]

00:39:04   there were there it was a sense of much [TS]

00:39:06   more ambivalent some somebody for [TS]

00:39:09   ambitious it was a great American [TS]

00:39:10   melting pot it was a color wheel of [TS]

00:39:12   butts and then this gene technology came [TS]

00:39:15   out I just still I still AM amazed by it [TS]

00:39:17   i do not know what exactly happened [TS]

00:39:20   where it was some kind of placement of [TS]

00:39:22   the pockets and some sort of addition of [TS]

00:39:25   a couple of percentage points of spandex [TS]

00:39:28   into the been to the levis are so I [TS]

00:39:30   don't know what happened but all of a [TS]

00:39:32   sudden all but look the same and it was [TS]

00:39:36   and it was a good same like they had [TS]

00:39:39   achieved they achieve this but not just [TS]

00:39:42   making but look good but then i made it [TS]

00:39:46   accessible to every like about [TS]

00:39:47   singularity well a little bit like you [TS]

00:39:50   look around here like that that's that [TS]

00:39:51   the women or maybe but definitely [TS]

00:39:53   nobody's butt looks heinous nobody's [TS]

00:39:55   butt looks things and everyone everyone [TS]

00:39:59   wants their but to look good even if [TS]

00:40:02   they don't say it [TS]

00:40:03   they're thinking it i think everybody [TS]

00:40:04   yeah and a bloody bored aren't brave [TS]

00:40:06   enough to say I remember walking with a [TS]

00:40:08   girl a girl I was dating at the time [TS]

00:40:10   this is many many years ago early early [TS]

00:40:12   nineties and I was in a group of friends [TS]

00:40:14   like seven guys that were all my friends [TS]

00:40:17   one of them was somewhat somebody's [TS]

00:40:18   little brother but you know it was like [TS]

00:40:20   a bunch of guys that I considered 11 of [TS]

00:40:23   my groups of friends and we're walking [TS]

00:40:25   along she's very fashionable girl and [TS]

00:40:27   she and I are bringing up the rear [TS]

00:40:29   if you will and she says just kind of [TS]

00:40:32   you know casually out of the side of her [TS]

00:40:34   mouth she's like eight guys I'm not a [TS]

00:40:36   single good at [TS]

00:40:37   Wow and I looked at it I looked ahead [TS]

00:40:41   and all of a sudden all these friends of [TS]

00:40:42   mine like they just stay where they went [TS]

00:40:44   from color to black and white [TS]

00:40:46   I was like oh my god she's right there's [TS]

00:40:48   not a single good but in the group and I [TS]

00:40:51   wouldn't have noticed because each but [TS]

00:40:54   was different and I was appreciating [TS]

00:40:56   like the whole you know this guy likes [TS]

00:40:58   this guy has already adopted that weird [TS]

00:41:00   super big big pants thing that we may be [TS]

00:41:04   using a little bit more forest entry [TS]

00:41:06   yeah this guy over here's gotta chew can [TS]

00:41:08   ring in his pants like they haven't [TS]

00:41:09   really figured it all out and she just [TS]

00:41:12   said like an eight guys are not a good [TS]

00:41:14   but in the bunch and then of course the [TS]

00:41:16   second thought i had was like ah through [TS]

00:41:18   what about my body [TS]

00:41:19   that's right am I can I be so lucky as [TS]

00:41:22   to be the best but in this group that [TS]

00:41:25   seems a lot mean that seems a little bit [TS]

00:41:28   risky to think it's amazing how you can [TS]

00:41:30   go from not knowing about something to [TS]

00:41:31   have it being the most important thing [TS]

00:41:33   in your life in like half a second [TS]

00:41:34   well and she's going out with me right [TS]

00:41:36   so she obviously it matters enough that [TS]

00:41:38   she would have chosen my book so from [TS]

00:41:40   that moment from 1991 to the present i [TS]

00:41:43   have always carried around with me a [TS]

00:41:46   sense confirmed by many like fishing [TS]

00:41:50   expeditions fishing expeditions by which [TS]

00:41:53   i mean do these pants look good on me [TS]

00:41:54   uh-huh yeah they were good i mean to [TS]

00:41:57   look like great on me [TS]

00:41:59   oh yeah they look fine uh-huh I mean [TS]

00:42:01   here check it from this angle or is this [TS]

00:42:04   good pair pants [TS]

00:42:05   yeah and it's like i'm i'm i'm i'm [TS]

00:42:10   including that data in my in my general [TS]

00:42:12   survey for calculating a notion that you [TS]

00:42:14   might have a good but though i'm [TS]

00:42:16   calculating a notion that i have on a [TS]

00:42:18   fine buck on okay one acceptable [TS]

00:42:23   yeah one that passes muster enough that [TS]

00:42:25   no one's gonna walk behind me and say [TS]

00:42:27   like you or or or worse nobody's gonna [TS]

00:42:31   walk behind me and just not notice much [TS]

00:42:32   about your not a grotesquerie but you're [TS]

00:42:34   not going to win any contest [TS]

00:42:36   well because and I've I've floated this [TS]

00:42:38   balloon enough time [TS]

00:42:40   and have really never once gotten a [TS]

00:42:43   single like oh yeah those pants look [TS]

00:42:46   good and I'm not it not maybe in that [TS]

00:42:49   tender maybe an octave up but but still [TS]

00:42:52   like enough I i I've taken enough [TS]

00:42:56   surveys to know that if people are [TS]

00:42:59   physically coming coming me it isn't for [TS]

00:43:01   that reason [TS]

00:43:02   okay but i have never adopted modern [TS]

00:43:08   gene technology either i continue to [TS]

00:43:11   wear a dumpy Levi's which do not [TS]

00:43:15   actually fit [TS]

00:43:16   yeah my frame right so maybe if I was [TS]

00:43:19   our pants leave as our process with 12 [TS]

00:43:22   about this and at the time in the early [TS]

00:43:24   eighties right people were ironing their [TS]

00:43:26   Levi's to perfection [TS]

00:43:29   oh so back to my original point i bought [TS]

00:43:31   my dad a pair of Levi's I've i think i'm [TS]

00:43:34   sure i've told you this i bought my dad [TS]

00:43:36   apparently vies for Christmas like here [TS]

00:43:38   you go dad like get with the times a [TS]

00:43:41   little bit and join the Pepsi generation [TS]

00:43:42   yeah I'm 14 years old or something as [TS]

00:43:45   though my dad's never seen a pair of [TS]

00:43:46   jeans and I'm like hey man these for you [TS]

00:43:50   know you don't have one of these and we [TS]

00:43:52   gonna do about this like a lot of kids [TS]

00:43:54   are listening to heavy metal [TS]

00:43:56   I'm I'm not gonna turn you on to a new [TS]

00:43:59   thing to Levis pants and my dad opens [TS]

00:44:03   the opens the package and it was like [TS]

00:44:06   that one time one time many many moons [TS]

00:44:09   ago where i bought a girlfriend of mine [TS]

00:44:10   a gold chain i was in new york city and [TS]

00:44:13   i bought this very delicate little gold [TS]

00:44:15   chain at one of those stores on on [TS]

00:44:19   forty-second Street where it's just a [TS]

00:44:20   guy sitting in there with a loop on his [TS]

00:44:22   classes land sure and he's got a smoking [TS]

00:44:25   a cigar and you're like I want to buy a [TS]

00:44:27   gold chain he's like alright and i [TS]

00:44:29   bought this gold chain and I gave it to [TS]

00:44:31   her on her birthday or something and she [TS]

00:44:32   opened the package and looked at me [TS]

00:44:34   looked immediately up at me and said do [TS]

00:44:35   you do not know me at all like oh oh I [TS]

00:44:41   spent a lot of money on that [TS]

00:44:43   no every way so I my dad opens this box [TS]

00:44:46   and there's a pair of Levi's in there [TS]

00:44:48   and I'm like those are called Levi's dad [TS]

00:44:50   they're like a thing that everybody's [TS]

00:44:52   wearing now [TS]

00:44:53   get with the times you know they're very [TS]

00:44:54   versatile and my dad said looked up in [TS]

00:44:58   the same way as as a my old girlfriend [TS]

00:45:00   and said I'm not an enlisted man I don't [TS]

00:45:04   dress like an enlisted man [TS]

00:45:06   w-whoa another man that one to the list [TS]

00:45:11   don't dress like an enlisted man and an [TS]

00:45:13   enlisted man right he said I'm an [TS]

00:45:15   officer I wear khaki I work for a living [TS]

00:45:20   and it was something from the United [TS]

00:45:23   States maybe in 1948 does a whole [TS]

00:45:28   different signification for him yeah [TS]

00:45:29   it's a it wasn't a swabbie you for your [TS]

00:45:34   time ago with a mop on on deck [TS]

00:45:37   yeah you're an NCO the and if you're you [TS]

00:45:40   know your casual work clothes if you're [TS]

00:45:42   an NCO were dungarees pants for semen [TS]

00:45:45   and if you and your formal outfits to [TS]

00:45:48   our blue pants blue wool pants and the [TS]

00:45:52   officers were always in in khaki pants [TS]

00:45:55   either casual or or when they're in [TS]

00:45:59   their dress uniforms and it was [TS]

00:46:01   something that had been baked into him [TS]

00:46:03   at a very very young age and I think he [TS]

00:46:07   he i think that that back in nineteen [TS]

00:46:10   the nineteen-thirties that was that had [TS]

00:46:13   already been true in the Navy for so [TS]

00:46:15   long that it was understood you know [TS]

00:46:19   like the introduction I think of khaki [TS]

00:46:21   pants into the culture only came through [TS]

00:46:24   the Navy Wow turns out that's a good one [TS]

00:46:27   and the end the introduction [TS]

00:46:29   introduction of blue jeans really you [TS]

00:46:31   know they came off of the farm but they [TS]

00:46:34   came out of AI mean and the story goes [TS]

00:46:36   in in this neck of the woods that the [TS]

00:46:39   levi strauss basically there was a [TS]

00:46:42   demand amongst gold miners and the [TS]

00:46:44   people who are making money off of gold [TS]

00:46:46   miners for something more sturdy and he [TS]

00:46:48   started making them out of the canvas of [TS]

00:46:50   tense is well the story goes like this [TS]

00:46:52   so that's that's where the original I [TS]

00:46:54   think blue jeans come from or so [TS]

00:46:56   levis are from San Francisco so everyone [TS]

00:46:59   in San Francisco knows the whole story [TS]

00:47:00   like probably I think technically my [TS]

00:47:03   amendments everything I mean obviously [TS]

00:47:04   that's where their base but I mean the [TS]

00:47:05   old country is where people were buying [TS]

00:47:07   them out east of here but you know but [TS]

00:47:09   the thing is the here's the thing [TS]

00:47:10   ah I think I know that I'm older than a [TS]

00:47:12   lot of our listeners but I wasn't [TS]

00:47:14   allowed to wear jeans to school [TS]

00:47:17   that's right i'm not trying to cheat me [TS]

00:47:18   like jeans or dungarees as my [TS]

00:47:20   grandmother called them that was that [TS]

00:47:22   was something you would wear to like you [TS]

00:47:24   know plant tomatoes that is not [TS]

00:47:26   something you wear anywhere about at the [TS]

00:47:27   house we're going to like a picnic you [TS]

00:47:29   know come on england all the boys wear [TS]

00:47:31   shorts and like a short pants how you [TS]

00:47:33   know somebody still a kid [TS]

00:47:35   it's better down there they're just put [TS]

00:47:36   that on the list what's that short pants [TS]

00:47:38   is how you know someone still a kid [TS]

00:47:40   I'm not enlisted man i'm not an enlisted [TS]

00:47:45   man yeah my mom used to talk about in [TS]

00:47:47   the nineteen fifties that all the [TS]

00:47:49   fashionable girls you would never of [TS]

00:47:50   course wear this to school but you know [TS]

00:47:53   on the weekends you would wear your [TS]

00:47:54   brother's jeans and your brother's white [TS]

00:47:56   dress shop that is cute isn't that is so [TS]

00:47:58   cute but you know that required that [TS]

00:48:00   your brother's jeans and brothers white [TS]

00:48:02   dress shirt only be slightly bigger than [TS]

00:48:04   you [TS]

00:48:05   it was when people were much more people [TS]

00:48:07   sometimes I learned this at goodwill in [TS]

00:48:09   the in the eighties is is all people are [TS]

00:48:12   small [TS]

00:48:12   yeah and they were small they were like [TS]

00:48:15   echo small people didn't people didn't [TS]

00:48:17   really get big until at least the [TS]

00:48:18   seventies if you look at if you look at [TS]

00:48:21   pictures of people in the film which of [TS]

00:48:24   course we all do [TS]

00:48:25   yes the standard seems to be that the [TS]

00:48:28   man be what three inches taller than the [TS]

00:48:31   woman yeah and maybe like just slightly [TS]

00:48:35   better known like not not even any more [TS]

00:48:38   broad I think somebody had to stand on [TS]

00:48:40   an Apple box look at it look at it had [TS]

00:48:44   to stand on an Apple box keep getting me [TS]

00:48:46   what you're about to put your booking an [TS]

00:48:48   Apple box but that's the that's that's [TS]

00:48:50   as who moved my cheese any um but you [TS]

00:48:55   know like for me to for me to be [TS]

00:48:58   standing next to my leading lady [TS]

00:49:01   where I'm three inches taller than her [TS]

00:49:05   she would have to be a very large woman [TS]

00:49:06   and if you think about Archie comics [TS]

00:49:09   right moose and mid that was played for [TS]

00:49:12   laughs [TS]

00:49:13   moose pigment bridges small wall [TS]

00:49:15   contrast but you know but moose was [TS]

00:49:18   probably 595 an amazing person it's like [TS]

00:49:22   a senior Jackson thing [TS]

00:49:23   yeah yeah it's like Peter Jackson [TS]

00:49:25   sometimes forced perspective and you do [TS]

00:49:27   if everything's the same size everything [TS]

00:49:29   used to be smaller they talk about this [TS]

00:49:31   now I'm not trying to be anything is but [TS]

00:49:33   then talk today about how you get for [TS]

00:49:34   Americans you gotta make seats bigger [TS]

00:49:36   write it like if you when you try to put [TS]

00:49:38   people of our time on to a ferry for [TS]

00:49:41   example some kind of conveyance that was [TS]

00:49:44   built in another generation they don't [TS]

00:49:46   fit you gotta get a retro the retrofit [TS]

00:49:48   the ferry you okay right now went down [TS]

00:49:51   at camera fairy might you know a lot of [TS]

00:49:54   my people in the show business [TS]

00:49:56   mhm this was an interesting thing i [TS]

00:49:58   learned many years ago from a from a [TS]

00:50:00   booking agent with someone that we would [TS]

00:50:03   call a buyer which is to say someone [TS]

00:50:05   that's booking a club not a cellar which [TS]

00:50:08   is a booking agent that represents a [TS]

00:50:10   band talking now learn some jargon this [TS]

00:50:12   is yeah so so yeah so booking agent at a [TS]

00:50:15   club is buying the artist and the and [TS]

00:50:19   the booking age of the worst form of [TS]

00:50:20   course is selling ok so a buyer once [TS]

00:50:23   told me because I at many years ago [TS]

00:50:27   probably 2003 i started to be able to [TS]

00:50:29   estimate the capacity of a club pretty [TS]

00:50:33   easily from the back of the room you [TS]

00:50:35   know you and it's a skill that you have [TS]

00:50:36   to learn when you're in the business [TS]

00:50:38   because you walk into the room you're [TS]

00:50:39   like oh this place can you know this is [TS]

00:50:41   a capacity 320 and then the the booking [TS]

00:50:46   agent walks up and he's like a capacity [TS]

00:50:50   so you're doing you did a little bit of [TS]

00:50:51   arithmetic based on things like [TS]

00:50:53   guarantees and things like that right or [TS]

00:50:55   less like estimated like what you can [TS]

00:50:57   expect to make that night right what [TS]

00:51:00   would constitute to sell out here [TS]

00:51:02   ok is the thing that everybody really [TS]

00:51:04   cares about you know and if it if he's [TS]

00:51:08   saying it's a sellout [TS]

00:51:11   and he says the capacities 275 then [TS]

00:51:14   that's how he's gonna settle with you [TS]

00:51:15   people 320 people in that room it's [TS]

00:51:18   something you should know i got it [TS]

00:51:21   are you picking me up are you reading me [TS]

00:51:24   loud and clear oh yeah you're [TS]

00:51:25   five-by-five you sound great gonna hurt [TS]

00:51:27   somebody don't find my five mins yeah I [TS]

00:51:29   heard somebody coughing and I heard that [TS]

00:51:30   when i'm guessing it's probably lacroix [TS]

00:51:32   opening at one point [TS]

00:51:33   yeah but no sound great you sound like [TS]

00:51:35   you're in a Cathedral 55 is an [TS]

00:51:37   indication of the strength and volume of [TS]

00:51:42   your signal [TS]

00:51:42   Wow can I learned something good that's [TS]

00:51:46   pretty good jargon huh well so the buyer [TS]

00:51:48   was saying the capacity of this room at [TS]

00:51:53   a of montreal show or the capacity of [TS]

00:51:58   this room at the boards of canada show [TS]

00:52:00   is about 200 more people than the [TS]

00:52:06   capacity of this room at a Melvin show [TS]

00:52:09   or a mastodon show and it's not all i [TS]

00:52:14   see interesting [TS]

00:52:16   yeah he said at an indie rock concert i [TS]

00:52:20   can put so many more people in this room [TS]

00:52:23   because the people are themselves [TS]

00:52:26   smaller whoa and a at like a heavy metal [TS]

00:52:31   show an old-school rockabilly punk rock [TS]

00:52:36   show that the fans themselves are so [TS]

00:52:39   like demonstrable a larger people that [TS]

00:52:43   it cuts the capacity of this room by a [TS]

00:52:46   couple hundred and he's not a big room [TS]

00:52:48   huh [TS]

00:52:49   um and I was just like that cannot [TS]

00:52:51   possibly be true and he said you know [TS]

00:52:54   come to two shows and tell me I mean [TS]

00:52:59   tell me your experience and of course [TS]

00:53:00   I've been to all those shows and you [TS]

00:53:03   know it's absolutely true there are rock [TS]

00:53:04   shows that i can go to where I have a [TS]

00:53:07   perfect line of sight of the stage no [TS]

00:53:09   matter where i'm standing in the room [TS]

00:53:10   because the average size is 58 of the [TS]

00:53:13   people at the show [TS]

00:53:15   and Montreal attracts a pretty pretty [TS]

00:53:18   slight slight of build right right near [TS]

00:53:21   our as if i go to a mastodon show huh i [TS]

00:53:25   feel like i am enough i'm like in a [TS]

00:53:27   forest of meat like i can't i can't [TS]

00:53:32   necessarily see the stage because there [TS]

00:53:35   are there are like tents in leather [TS]

00:53:38   jackets standing all around me and and [TS]

00:53:43   that's that's astonishing and that's the [TS]

00:53:45   type of thing that is you know across [TS]

00:53:49   other like using that as a metaphor [TS]

00:53:52   it's very hard now days to not get into [TS]

00:53:55   tricky territory when you start talking [TS]

00:53:57   about audiences for things for you I [TS]

00:54:00   think it's better to probably yeah [TS]

00:54:01   mhm but it's you know people in the [TS]

00:54:05   people in the world of show business are [TS]

00:54:07   saying are having you know this this guy [TS]

00:54:10   is saying I can't put the I can't put [TS]

00:54:13   max capacity in this room I'm losing [TS]

00:54:15   money [TS]

00:54:15   um because they're just as a root for [TS]

00:54:19   the people that's a strange constraint [TS]

00:54:24   UK oh yeah I'm great I was just opening [TS]

00:54:29   a look Roy and I wasn't really but i [TS]

00:54:33   have a have a mute button here [TS]

00:54:35   oh that's terrific Oh huh i have a mute [TS]

00:54:38   button now and I'm I'm learning to use [TS]

00:54:40   it because I even I've heard over the [TS]

00:54:43   years that it's something that you [TS]

00:54:45   should learn to use haha and I mean I'm [TS]

00:54:50   still gonna clear my throat on the [TS]

00:54:51   program that's that you know everything [TS]

00:54:53   within the shell is part of the show [TS]

00:54:55   yeah I'm you I'm unified urinate and I [TS]

00:54:58   right if I make coffee right now I'm [TS]

00:55:01   unify open a new trick I'm still on my [TS]

00:55:03   just at the tail end of my coffee and I [TS]

00:55:06   got the same same same cells right here [TS]

00:55:10   yeah i'm gonna get conventional isn't [TS]

00:55:12   done this is your craft John you know [TS]

00:55:14   somebody who's not afraid to cut up some [TS]

00:55:15   monkeys you you know that this is your [TS]

00:55:17   craft and you're always working to [TS]

00:55:18   improve it [TS]

00:55:19   let me explain you know i'm i'm i'm [TS]

00:55:22   recording from from California as I say [TS]

00:55:25   and so my situation has changed quite a [TS]

00:55:27   bit i'm i'm using a computer that's that [TS]

00:55:31   doesn't belong to me right now because [TS]

00:55:34   although i have my mobile podcast rig [TS]

00:55:37   that I carry with me everywhere I [TS]

00:55:40   invariably forget one key component of [TS]

00:55:43   it every time one time I forgot the cord [TS]

00:55:47   that hooks my mic to the computer one [TS]

00:55:49   time I forgot my headphones and now [TS]

00:55:52   twice I've forgotten the power cable for [TS]

00:55:55   the computer links don't work but takes [TS]

00:55:59   the the very I see what you're saying [TS]

00:56:00   LOL so your dongle hell right so here i [TS]

00:56:04   am i'm recording on a macbook air [TS]

00:56:07   normally i have a macbook row is that [TS]

00:56:11   what it is and the and the two power [TS]

00:56:14   cables never the twain shall meet [TS]

00:56:15   because their debut know they're [TS]

00:56:16   separated by two years or something and [TS]

00:56:19   so it's separated by six months and then [TS]

00:56:22   having like you know turn and so it [TS]

00:56:26   anyway so my experience here is is [TS]

00:56:27   different in two crucial ways one there [TS]

00:56:30   is almond milk in my coffee instead of [TS]

00:56:32   cream [TS]

00:56:32   I don't think that's really melt it's [TS]

00:56:35   not at all an open all right there are [TS]

00:56:38   certain kinds of vegetarians I think now [TS]

00:56:41   where every single thing they eat eat is [TS]

00:56:44   made of almonds in the same way that it [TS]

00:56:46   used to be made of soy beans and tofu [TS]

00:56:48   right behind the day but now you can get [TS]

00:56:50   an almond Loaf baked in almond milk [TS]

00:56:52   covered with almond cheese you know what [TS]

00:56:56   the with some almond chicken wings [TS]

00:56:59   I mean it's insane when you go to the [TS]

00:57:00   store if you could just if you could [TS]

00:57:02   turn your your google glass so it only [TS]

00:57:05   allows you to see things made of almonds [TS]

00:57:07   oh IC r you know google glass r.i.p yeah [TS]

00:57:11   but the other difference is that this [TS]

00:57:15   computer is set so that it goes to sleep [TS]

00:57:18   pretty fast [TS]

00:57:20   that's because the millenniums like to [TS]

00:57:22   save energy yeah yeah it's going to [TS]

00:57:24   sleep now twice on me during this [TS]

00:57:26   program and then it just has a screen [TS]

00:57:30   screensaver of basically the apple logo [TS]

00:57:33   and then the name of the owner of the [TS]

00:57:35   computer and the words macbook air just [TS]

00:57:38   sort of bouncing around a black screen [TS]

00:57:41   ok you find out a little bit just now [TS]

00:57:43   have you did you did you did you do [TS]

00:57:45   anything are you downloading anything [TS]

00:57:46   no no in fact I I can't download [TS]

00:57:49   anything because of the computers [TS]

00:57:51   consciously and I can't wake it up [TS]

00:57:54   without a password all dears [TS]

00:57:56   yes you wanna I'm saying oh gosh this [TS]

00:57:59   was probably on borrowed time [TS]

00:58:00   no I don't think so because I've done [TS]

00:58:04   the classic thing of talking about it on [TS]

00:58:07   the Internet program enough that that my [TS]

00:58:11   my my lady friend and my millennial [TS]

00:58:16   girlfriend yes heard what i was saying [TS]

00:58:19   OK and came over in a fairly perfunctory [TS]

00:58:22   way and then spit input her password [TS]

00:58:25   into the computer so now i'm back up [TS]

00:58:27   back up online [TS]

00:58:28   and crisis narrowly averted and now i'm [TS]

00:58:32   going to sit here absent-mindedly [TS]

00:58:34   running my fingers over the mouse pad [TS]

00:58:37   the mouse is there [TS]

00:58:40   yeah so the mounting surface doesn't run [TS]

00:58:44   your finger on the mounting surface [TS]

00:58:45   mm that's kind of their retrofit the [TS]

00:58:48   ferry you know I think we need to be [TS]

00:58:51   probably just need to sit with this for [TS]

00:58:52   a while [TS]

00:58:52   well we'll get some good ones are there [TS]

00:58:55   are you see I also i like the ones that [TS]

00:58:58   that really don't mean anything [TS]

00:59:02   I guess we've got a few of those but I [TS]

00:59:04   also would like to explore more of the [TS]

00:59:05   ones that literally don't mean anything [TS]

00:59:07   and that to me that's the ones i could [TS]

00:59:08   really subtraction coming along [TS]

00:59:10   yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't try too hard [TS]

00:59:13   this is what happens when you when you [TS]

00:59:14   do a blue sky solution area you just got [TS]

00:59:16   to unclench when you just got to class [TS]

00:59:18   i'm gonna add that pretty good [TS]

00:59:20   you've gotta get you if you're doing [TS]

00:59:22   blue sky the solution earring you have [TS]

00:59:25   the unfun judge also include John [TS]

00:59:27   unclench your the ocean you're probably [TS]

00:59:31   getting some interference [TS]

00:59:33   we'll listen I promise you as your [TS]

00:59:34   friend did something happen it does drop [TS]

00:59:36   out i will hit the bell and we can the [TS]

00:59:38   show like gentlemen [TS]

00:59:41   hello right I'm Merlin you know how [TS]

00:59:47   Sharia how to handle that it's got gold [TS]

00:59:50   in there I don't leave any of that out [TS]

00:59:52   no no it's all good in a form of [TS]

00:59:55   sympathetic magic many people in cargo [TS]

00:59:58   cults built life-size replica [TS]

00:59:58   cults built life-size replica [TS]

01:00:00   the airplanes out of straw uh-huh and [TS]

01:00:02   cut new military style landing strips [TS]

01:00:05   out of the jungle hoping to attract more [TS]

01:00:07   airplanes that says this almost got it [TS]

01:00:09   right [TS]

01:00:10   yeah yeah attract more airplanes coconut [TS]

01:00:14   internet phones [TS]

01:00:15   yeah i'm looking at headphones that's a [TS]

01:00:19   good that's a good indie rock band name [TS]

01:00:21   coconut headphones i am i'm happy to say [TS]

01:00:24   that my advancing age I i have thumb [TS]

01:00:27   I think I've give my family a gift in [TS]

01:00:28   some ways medic eft which is that now i [TS]

01:00:30   have now settled into being very happy [TS]

01:00:34   with getting mostly the same things for [TS]

01:00:35   Christmas every year because actually [TS]

01:00:37   look you want and need them [TS]

01:00:39   well i mean the the one of the top items [TS]

01:00:42   is getting pretty bottle once i get fun [TS]

01:00:45   no nobody got a new pair 50 once every [TS]

01:00:48   year every 1225 I get me a new pair 3433 [TS]

01:00:52   433 43 to get a new pair of 50 ones and [TS]

01:00:56   then the cycle continues [TS]

01:00:57   um you get a new pair of 30 32 33 34 35 [TS]

01:01:02   think it 3430 3432 something like that [TS]

01:01:05   huh yeah yeah I get that I get some [TS]

01:01:08   socks i usually get like a sweater Santa [TS]

01:01:12   really got me some of these long sleeve [TS]

01:01:13   t-shirts that I like a lot and I am that [TS]

01:01:15   I'm happy as a pig in clamps when that [TS]

01:01:17   happens so so a so every year you get [TS]

01:01:22   one pair of 5440 it's probably more 501 [TS]

01:01:27   the classics unwashed that we've talked [TS]

01:01:30   about i don't really even need them [TS]

01:01:32   because I heard them for longer than a [TS]

01:01:33   year but my daughter is nine and she is [TS]

01:01:37   becoming more confident aggressive about [TS]

01:01:42   telling me what I should do differently [TS]

01:01:44   and we're here i need to stop wearing [TS]

01:01:46   pants with holes in the one to pick her [TS]

01:01:48   up at school is rational sends em she's [TS]

01:01:52   done with those so do you have do you [TS]

01:01:55   have a silo filled with Levi's that you [TS]

01:01:58   consider still very wearable and usable [TS]

01:02:01   but that you have semi-retired because [TS]

01:02:04   because your daughter no longer feels [TS]

01:02:06   like they're acceptable [TS]

01:02:07   beware that's a great question basically [TS]

01:02:09   there's three there's three levels [TS]

01:02:11   there's the current vice where you're [TS]

01:02:13   going to wear them to dinner and people [TS]

01:02:15   wouldn't go like this like this those [TS]

01:02:18   and then you've got the ones that are [TS]

01:02:21   faded they might have some holes you get [TS]

01:02:25   the iphone hole on the left side is [TS]

01:02:27   getting my feet above all the span span [TS]

01:02:31   invagination and in the things that you [TS]

01:02:33   get the third group which the ones i'd [TS]

01:02:35   like to hang on a little bit longer but [TS]

01:02:36   i'm getting stink eye and usually they [TS]

01:02:38   donated to my daughter to be cut up and [TS]

01:02:41   used as fabric for sewing projects [TS]

01:02:43   oh I fee um but so there aren't any [TS]

01:02:46   Levi's that are that are that are [TS]

01:02:48   trashed but you can't surrender [TS]

01:02:52   well that was the case with that there's [TS]

01:02:54   a there was a pair that fell into that [TS]

01:02:56   third group in the last six months I was [TS]

01:02:58   really sorry to say goodbye to but as we [TS]

01:03:00   talked about many times before [TS]

01:03:01   everybody's Levi's blowout in in a way [TS]

01:03:04   that is peculiar to them [TS]

01:03:05   tryn like always it's one knee before [TS]

01:03:08   the other for me it's one pocket before [TS]

01:03:10   the other four me and ends the right [TS]

01:03:12   side of the crotch starts to blow out [TS]

01:03:13   and I don't want to put the action there [TS]

01:03:15   because this is 1972 I'm not gonna live [TS]

01:03:17   like that [TS]

01:03:17   well you know Mike Mike Rotch blows out [TS]

01:03:20   pretty darn early [TS]

01:03:21   yeah just because I mean who knows why [TS]

01:03:24   yeah but uh I have probably in the silo [TS]

01:03:29   in in group 3 of my Levi's I probably [TS]

01:03:34   let's say 18 pairs of group 3 Levi's [TS]

01:03:37   that I keep in a duffel bag some of them [TS]

01:03:45   you know a lot of them dating back to [TS]

01:03:48   when Levi's were still made in America [TS]

01:03:49   so american-made Levi's where they are [TS]

01:03:54   still wearable except for a crotch blow [TS]

01:03:59   out and oh honey blowout that are very [TS]

01:04:03   patchable some of them have been patched [TS]

01:04:05   already like a lot of them have that [TS]

01:04:07   thing where the crotch blew out and they [TS]

01:04:08   were patched and then the knee blew out [TS]

01:04:11   and I didn't have the I didn't have the [TS]

01:04:14   foresight when the sewing machine was [TS]

01:04:15   out and the patches were going on [TS]

01:04:17   to say like let's also patch that me [TS]

01:04:19   okay because it's very hard to get the [TS]

01:04:22   sewing machine back out two weeks later [TS]

01:04:24   to put patches on all the pants again [TS]

01:04:25   true and so back in the old days of [TS]

01:04:29   course I would have worn them with the [TS]

01:04:30   knees blown out until they were just [TS]

01:04:32   like shredded I'm not sure when I'm not [TS]

01:04:35   sure when that stop being permissible to [TS]

01:04:38   me a blown out knee is not an a you know [TS]

01:04:41   a cloud climate ending event like to [TS]

01:04:43   have blood on these but it's just the [TS]

01:04:45   thing that the point crotch that said [TS]

01:04:47   that that throws a signal you don't want [TS]

01:04:49   to do that but i don't know i guess [TS]

01:04:50   maybe it's just not okay to have a you [TS]

01:04:52   know holding your knees anymore [TS]

01:04:54   yeah I mean I think we're grownups now [TS]

01:04:56   you can't really walk around with the [TS]

01:04:58   knees in your pants blown out but i but [TS]

01:05:00   i just had a i just recently so I've [TS]

01:05:02   been carrying around these genes in a [TS]

01:05:03   duffel bag for a long time because you [TS]

01:05:09   know there are a lot of things about [TS]

01:05:10   them they fit me like a glove as much as [TS]

01:05:13   we advise can never fit me like a glove [TS]

01:05:15   you know they have well-worn patina that [TS]

01:05:19   belongs to me it's nobody else's picture [TS]

01:05:21   patina it didn't come from [TS]

01:05:23   it didn't come from factory it's not [TS]

01:05:25   something I found in a store it's patina [TS]

01:05:27   patina that I built with my own blood [TS]

01:05:29   sweat and tears and most of all and also [TS]

01:05:34   their american-made and you can't get [TS]

01:05:36   those anymore unless you want to pay top [TS]

01:05:38   dollar but most importantly they are [TS]

01:05:42   still service perfectly serviceable [TS]

01:05:44   pants and just recently now that I'm [TS]

01:05:48   spending all this time in California the [TS]

01:05:52   it was like it was like the sun came out [TS]

01:05:54   on these jeans I realized that they were [TS]

01:05:58   all perfectly prepped to be cut offs [TS]

01:06:03   haha and down here in California when [TS]

01:06:06   it's warm [TS]

01:06:07   a lot i was going to say all the time [TS]

01:06:09   but I'm looking out at grey skies and my [TS]

01:06:12   feet are freezing because it's freaking [TS]

01:06:14   cold here right now even though it's [TS]

01:06:16   wintertime better there's all these [TS]

01:06:19   cut-offs just waiting to the judge that [TS]

01:06:21   kind of weight we're still wearing [TS]

01:06:23   cut-offs well this is the thing in [TS]

01:06:25   California who can tell me what to do [TS]

01:06:26   next right it's a really especially [TS]

01:06:28   Venice Beach venice beach [TS]

01:06:30   and I got all I've got a like a lifetime [TS]

01:06:33   collection of Hawaiian shirts that are [TS]

01:06:36   not they're not magnum p.i Hawaiian [TS]

01:06:38   shirts they're the kind of why insurance [TS]

01:06:39   where the like the bold side of the [TS]

01:06:43   fabric is turned in and the outside the [TS]

01:06:46   faded sort of like the through side of [TS]

01:06:50   the fabric is turned out know what those [TS]

01:06:52   are called the guy I know what you mean [TS]

01:06:53   nowhere look so yeah its stated yeah I [TS]

01:06:55   know what you mean the rain Spooner's or [TS]

01:06:57   whatever and they're all there are none [TS]

01:06:59   of a button [TS]

01:07:00   none of them unbuttoned all the way down [TS]

01:07:02   there kind of their anorak style or [TS]

01:07:04   whatever the only button like four [TS]

01:07:05   buttons down and their pullovers I don't [TS]

01:07:08   know why when I was a kid I got one of [TS]

01:07:10   those shirts and I really thought it was [TS]

01:07:11   great and so my whole life I've only [TS]

01:07:15   ever have only they were tolerated that [TS]

01:07:17   kind of Hawaiian shirt like the rayon [TS]

01:07:20   ones that have hula girls on them and [TS]

01:07:21   that type of thing I don't want anything [TS]

01:07:22   to do with em I don't want to touch [TS]

01:07:24   those with a ten-foot pole [TS]

01:07:25   I want ones that have a flower motif and [TS]

01:07:28   are turned inside out and have a you [TS]

01:07:32   know like an Iraq style [TS]

01:07:33   well I don't know if those are cool or [TS]

01:07:35   not that's the only kind i have and i [TS]

01:07:36   wear them all the time down here because [TS]

01:07:38   what who can you know there are people [TS]

01:07:40   walking down venice beach dress like [TS]

01:07:42   Jimi Hendrix on a unicycle so i started [TS]

01:07:46   turning these Levi's into cut-offs and I [TS]

01:07:50   remember when cut-offs cutoff jeans were [TS]

01:07:53   like the cool its genes and so I feel [TS]

01:07:57   very cool them really cut them off a [TS]

01:07:59   little bit high and not so not so high [TS]

01:08:02   that your pockets are sticking out okay [TS]

01:08:04   are all okay all right you know like mid [TS]

01:08:06   mid thigh he could you give them a cost [TS]

01:08:09   per diem them [TS]

01:08:10   oh no no you let them bring out let them [TS]

01:08:13   pray and pray and I'm so pleased because [TS]

01:08:17   you know these pants still fit good i've [TS]

01:08:18   already mended the crotch in most cases [TS]

01:08:20   and now i'm just walking around like I [TS]

01:08:23   look like I'm ready for a hacky sack [TS]

01:08:24   game at any moment i'm also wearing [TS]

01:08:27   checkerboard vans because I you know how [TS]

01:08:30   you really you've got a whole look [TS]

01:08:31   together but I think so together I i [TS]

01:08:34   look like and this thing I can't decide [TS]

01:08:37   because when I walk into a lot of the [TS]

01:08:40   they're like cool cafes here in Venice [TS]

01:08:42   yeah it's like a lot of times when you [TS]

01:08:45   walk into places in Los Angeles where [TS]

01:08:47   actors and and script writers and things [TS]

01:08:49   hanging out you walk in the door and at [TS]

01:08:53   least in my case a lot of people look up [TS]

01:08:56   and look at me for up for like three [TS]

01:09:01   beats they got the heads-up display [TS]

01:09:03   yeah scanning scanning scanning that's [TS]

01:09:05   right like is this somebody who is this [TS]

01:09:07   is this somebody that la thing nobody in [TS]

01:09:10   seattle ever looks up nobody writes for [TS]

01:09:13   the Oscars [TS]

01:09:14   yeah right this is he does he write for [TS]

01:09:16   parks and parks and community [TS]

01:09:17   shush her you know and so I so I don't [TS]

01:09:23   mind that right because I'm used to kind [TS]

01:09:25   of feeling like when I walk into a room [TS]

01:09:27   everybody should look up for a second [TS]

01:09:28   totally him up but but increasingly it [TS]

01:09:32   with this outfit the cut-offs and the [TS]

01:09:34   vans and the client shirt [TS]

01:09:35   I'm not sure whether I look like [TS]

01:09:38   somebody who's really had a success in [TS]

01:09:41   Hollywood is really like he's written [TS]

01:09:43   some killer scripts and now he gets to [TS]

01:09:45   like lebowski it everywhere he goes yeah [TS]

01:09:47   or whether i look like somebody who [TS]

01:09:50   shouldn't be allowed in the cafe right [TS]

01:09:53   like somebody who's a so like a person [TS]

01:09:55   is gonna walk over and say can I help [TS]

01:09:57   you sir [TS]

01:09:57   yeah but you know you that that kind of [TS]

01:09:59   can I help you search you know you carry [TS]

01:10:01   yourself with a lot of dignity [TS]

01:10:02   yeah like a scriptwriter well right like [TS]

01:10:05   some like somebody who want a couple [TS]

01:10:08   emmy award for these things at least an [TS]

01:10:10   option a few times you've been optioned [TS]

01:10:11   hope for sure for sure I've been [TS]

01:10:13   optioned I'm so terrified of that world [TS]

01:10:16   down here you see so many people just [TS]

01:10:19   helplessly one tape so they're just want [TS]

01:10:24   so much to be cast in something to get [TS]

01:10:28   that opportunity to get their script [TS]

01:10:30   looked at and they're they're you know [TS]

01:10:32   they're like turning all the time going [TS]

01:10:35   to all this stuff like really really [TS]

01:10:36   really climbing or hiking the clock's [TS]

01:10:40   ticking the whole time clock is ticking [TS]

01:10:42   you know under there i'm at least on [TS]

01:10:44   there i mean in a long time since on [TS]

01:10:45   their age you know and what they'll be [TS]

01:10:47   suitable for because the options go down [TS]

01:10:49   as you get older but also probably is [TS]

01:10:51   not like an unlimited amount of money to [TS]

01:10:53   keep that thing afloat [TS]

01:10:54   well that and also i think i'm not sure [TS]

01:10:56   because i'm not i'm not embedded in the [TS]

01:10:58   culture but there's another clock that's [TS]

01:11:00   ticking which is how long have you been [TS]

01:11:02   in Hollywood and nothing's happened for [TS]

01:11:04   you maybe that's a sign [TS]

01:11:06   nothing's gonna happen for you like [TS]

01:11:07   applying for too many credit cards [TS]

01:11:09   yeah right like in stock goes down by [TS]

01:11:11   the number of scripts that you've [TS]

01:11:12   written that haven't gotten me in god [TS]

01:11:14   I'm so it ought best so it all just [TS]

01:11:16   feels and also i mean i had a friend [TS]

01:11:18   that work down here that was an actor [TS]

01:11:20   and eventually he decided that he didn't [TS]

01:11:22   want to be an actor he wanted to be a [TS]

01:11:23   professional waiter because it was at [TS]

01:11:26   least something he was good at and he [TS]

01:11:27   got tired of of applying for a job as a [TS]

01:11:33   waiter in a restaurant where all the [TS]

01:11:35   other waiters were were like really [TS]

01:11:37   really beautiful actors and he realized [TS]

01:11:42   like waiting you know in most places [TS]

01:11:44   waiting isn't that hard [TS]

01:11:46   why would you hire this four-year-old [TS]

01:11:47   person when you can hire a 22-year old [TS]

01:11:49   person bet that looks like Keanu Reeves [TS]

01:11:52   right but that's the other problem down [TS]

01:11:56   here there's always gonna be somebody [TS]

01:11:57   more beautiful than if if you're being [TS]

01:11:59   and somebody just the obvious when [TS]

01:12:00   somebody who wants it more for somebody [TS]

01:12:02   who will sacrifice more for go more [TS]

01:12:04   right right so it'll end up doing to go [TS]

01:12:07   to upkeep c22 wait no he waited tables [TS]

01:12:10   here in Hollywood for a long time [TS]

01:12:12   because i think he got a good job in a [TS]

01:12:13   fancy restaurant where it was important [TS]

01:12:15   that he be a good waiter but also he was [TS]

01:12:17   a very handsome a like character actor [TS]

01:12:21   you know what I mean like he wasn't ever [TS]

01:12:22   going to be a leading man but he was [TS]

01:12:24   definitely going to be he was perfect to [TS]

01:12:26   be the henchman of the villain judgment [TS]

01:12:29   huh who is the long blond hair blond guy [TS]

01:12:32   in die hard the valet guy right [TS]

01:12:36   yeah the valet guy yeah [TS]

01:12:38   we have was no what's-his-name that [TS]

01:12:41   Porsche cough it's the guy died [TS]

01:12:43   oh yeah you got huh I hard boys is [TS]

01:12:47   killing me you know he was a great [TS]

01:12:49   sidekick Alexander good enough good [TS]

01:12:52   enough right [TS]

01:12:53   he was a you know he was a good like [TS]

01:12:55   Chief bad guy [TS]

01:12:56   chief henchmen bad guy because the [TS]

01:12:59   because mr. bad guy in die hard with [TS]

01:13:02   chief bad guys Gruber the Hans Gruber [TS]

01:13:04   he's not a guy that's ever really going [TS]

01:13:06   to pick up a gun my god movie so good [TS]

01:13:08   unless he has to unless he's like [TS]

01:13:10   trapped in a back hallway with the you [TS]

01:13:14   know with all this but then he's going [TS]

01:13:16   to pick up a gun but but for the most [TS]

01:13:19   time he's like I've been holding the gun [TS]

01:13:20   is gonna be a thing but he was in [TS]

01:13:22   witness i forgot that he was in witness [TS]

01:13:24   right of course he's very much he's our [TS]

01:13:26   mission witness i forgot about that and [TS]

01:13:28   via you know and the german accent it [TS]

01:13:30   helps with the witness to yeah yeah but [TS]

01:13:33   so you know i would i would not mind [TS]

01:13:35   having a you know bad guy for a waiter [TS]

01:13:38   know right he's you know he's one of [TS]

01:13:40   those people that when he puts on one of [TS]

01:13:42   those dumb porkpie hats that all the [TS]

01:13:44   ding-a-lings where yeah it looks in [TS]

01:13:46   instantly natural he's very Tom we gotta [TS]

01:13:48   have the head for that [TS]

01:13:49   yeah yeah and you put it on you gotta do [TS]

01:13:51   I feel like you gotta have a whole you [TS]

01:13:53   have to look like an old-fashioned [TS]

01:13:54   person like your face has to local [TS]

01:13:56   fashion for me [TS]

01:13:59   I you know I can only get away i think [TS]

01:14:01   with Al Capone hats or at some point [TS]

01:14:04   like I decided that Oscar Wilde / Al [TS]

01:14:06   Capone we're going to be those two guys [TS]

01:14:08   with you might have mentor [TS]

01:14:10   yeah because there's no way i'm not i'm [TS]

01:14:12   not gonna wear tom waits at it just look [TS]

01:14:14   stupid on me to go for a full-on Quentin [TS]

01:14:16   crisp O'Quinn Chris pad we get you like [TS]

01:14:19   a big peak get purple how would maybe [TS]

01:14:21   like a feather on likely not your wild [TS]

01:14:22   hat [TS]

01:14:23   yeah you have to know what role you're [TS]

01:14:25   auditioning for EM anyway my friend [TS]

01:14:28   eventually you know what he did but he [TS]

01:14:30   moved to Seattle and he described him to [TS]

01:14:31   move back to Seattle and described [TS]

01:14:33   himself as a climate change refugee [TS]

01:14:35   settlement which well apparently the the [TS]

01:14:40   really forward-thinking people down here [TS]

01:14:42   starting to see the writing on the wall [TS]

01:14:43   they're starting to see the water is [TS]

01:14:45   never going to return 0 asking they and [TS]

01:14:49   also they they trend toward conspiracy [TS]

01:14:52   let's be honest I'm starting I'm [TS]

01:14:54   starting to look at look at people's now [TS]

01:14:55   and say you know just based on looking [TS]

01:14:58   at you walking down the street which way [TS]

01:15:00   do you trend on conspiracy [TS]

01:15:01   okay like if it is not whether but which [TS]

01:15:05   yeah if there's no if there's a new [TS]

01:15:07   conspiracy do you adopt a somewhat of a [TS]

01:15:11   skeptical take on it but still very [TS]

01:15:14   interested to see you know like does [TS]

01:15:16   this conspiracy involved the Rothschilds [TS]

01:15:18   does it involve a one-world government [TS]

01:15:21   or is it more about the jet fuel can't [TS]

01:15:26   melt steel beams yeah but obviously they [TS]

01:15:28   all they'll blend together at a certain [TS]

01:15:30   point [TS]

01:15:31   yeah but her but you can tell a lot [TS]

01:15:33   about somebody by their conspiracy [TS]

01:15:35   theory because you know it's what I do [TS]

01:15:36   what attracts you and then but also what [TS]

01:15:39   keeps you engaged or something about [TS]

01:15:40   this you couldn't hook from right well [TS]

01:15:42   and I so last night I'm I i played for [TS]

01:15:46   my millennial girlfriend a something a [TS]

01:15:48   little bit of the a couple of building 7 [TS]

01:15:51   videos [TS]

01:15:53   ok just to see what would happen you [TS]

01:15:56   know like here's some building seven [TS]

01:15:57   stuff what do you feel how do you feel [TS]

01:15:58   about this and she immediately found it [TS]

01:16:01   very appealing like turn to me a couple [TS]

01:16:04   times said well how do you answer that [TS]

01:16:06   what do you say to that is just the one [TS]

01:16:08   that went down and it seemed like it [TS]

01:16:09   shouldn't really gone down [TS]

01:16:10   yeah like seein no 67 hours later this [TS]

01:16:12   building collapse and from the footage [TS]

01:16:14   very much seems like it's collapsing [TS]

01:16:17   exactly like a las vegas hotel right [TS]

01:16:20   like a like it collapsed very perfectly [TS]

01:16:24   you couldn't have collapse that building [TS]

01:16:26   any better if you had that top shelf [TS]

01:16:29   global building collapses much to watch [TS]

01:16:33   9-11 documentary last week and I you [TS]

01:16:35   know it was a it was first fall of very [TS]

01:16:38   upsetting [TS]

01:16:39   yeah you don't really get over that day [TS]

01:16:40   but also liked it is pretty pan Nana's [TS]

01:16:44   that those two big buildings went so [TS]

01:16:47   directly down just like right straight [TS]

01:16:49   down and the thing is if I drop [TS]

01:16:51   something off the roof of our house it [TS]

01:16:52   would land further away [TS]

01:16:54   still things did right last night if you [TS]

01:16:57   if you were throwing a if you were [TS]

01:16:59   throwing melons up top of a three-story [TS]

01:17:01   building uh-huh [TS]

01:17:02   they're gonna they're gonna land in a in [TS]

01:17:04   kind of a splatter pattern [TS]

01:17:05   yeah you're not going to get those [TS]

01:17:06   melons right in the same spot each I'm [TS]

01:17:08   so utilitarian conspiracy bone a little [TS]

01:17:11   yeah yeah and I you know I don't think [TS]

01:17:13   it was a world that she'd been exposed [TS]

01:17:14   to before interest necessarily where [TS]

01:17:16   it's like wait a minute there's an [TS]

01:17:18   incontrovertible evidence here I feel [TS]

01:17:21   like it's like somebody's never played [TS]

01:17:22   zelda or something like I hear about [TS]

01:17:24   this world and then I don't realize how [TS]

01:17:26   deep it is until you just going to do is [TS]

01:17:27   google search like a person and ohmygod [TS]

01:17:29   there's a lot in the documentaries John [TS]

01:17:32   there's a lot of documentaries i watched [TS]

01:17:34   a real like a legit documentary like you [TS]

01:17:36   know straight mainstream documentary I [TS]

01:17:39   don't know which one to Alex Jones [TS]

01:17:40   territory or even appearing see some [TS]

01:17:42   amazing how do you know they're gonna do [TS]

01:17:43   your own research [TS]

01:17:44   one of the things that happened here on [TS]

01:17:47   the building seven documentary uh was it [TS]

01:17:49   get did extend to a general 911 hot take [TS]

01:17:52   and that hot take what as in all [TS]

01:17:56   seriousness that both airplanes were in [TS]

01:17:59   fact Holograms ha ha ha that Holograms [TS]

01:18:03   that no that's right that no airplane [TS]

01:18:06   actually hit either Tower because if you [TS]

01:18:10   look at the footage if you study it if [TS]

01:18:11   you slow the footage down but you got to [TS]

01:18:13   really look at it you have to really [TS]

01:18:15   look at its load all the way down ok you [TS]

01:18:17   realize that the way that the planes [TS]

01:18:20   impacted the building was physically [TS]

01:18:22   impossible and there are 25 scientists [TS]

01:18:26   on tap here that will confirm that [TS]

01:18:29   that's not what would have happened [TS]

01:18:31   something it's not clear what would not [TS]

01:18:32   even their science obviously i was [TS]

01:18:35   leaving the thing is that a 757 had [TS]

01:18:38   never crashed into a World Trade Center [TS]

01:18:40   before [TS]

01:18:40   yeah so we can't be sure what did you [TS]

01:18:42   have to get to in 20 minutes [TS]

01:18:44   yeah but we could be sure that it [TS]

01:18:47   wouldn't happen that way hmm uh and and [TS]

01:18:50   said it was weird that we have the [TS]

01:18:51   conversation here in the house because [TS]

01:18:53   one of the things that they said in the [TS]

01:18:55   documentary was only three buildings in [TS]

01:18:59   history have ever collapsed due to fire [TS]

01:19:02   I mean talk about skyscrapers [TS]

01:19:04   only three scribes skyscrapers have ever [TS]

01:19:06   collapsed due to fire and all three of [TS]

01:19:08   them were at world trade center site [TS]

01:19:10   that day that paid for by building one [TS]

01:19:13   building to building seven and make sure [TS]

01:19:15   that as far as I got my probably that's [TS]

01:19:17   exactly right but the buildings that [TS]

01:19:18   were destroyed in toto were almost [TS]

01:19:22   solely World Trade Center related [TS]

01:19:25   buildings they basically like a [TS]

01:19:27   one-to-one ratio they were completely [TS]

01:19:29   World Trade Center buildings and of [TS]

01:19:30   course there was that it wasn't girls [TS]

01:19:32   junior or something [TS]

01:19:33   no there was no Carlton you're there [TS]

01:19:36   the the little church that was there got [TS]

01:19:38   a got you know some buildings got [TS]

01:19:40   damaged but they were repaired and there [TS]

01:19:43   was one tree that survived i think and [TS]

01:19:47   was replanted at the current world trade [TS]

01:19:50   center site as far as i know but the way [TS]

01:19:53   this was the way this was stated and and [TS]

01:19:56   and my millennial girlfriend repeated it [TS]

01:19:58   to me like only three buildings in the [TS]

01:20:01   history of time or destroyed by fire how [TS]

01:20:04   do you explain that as though that in [TS]

01:20:07   itself was conclusive no special is that [TS]

01:20:10   it do we know that that's a true [TS]

01:20:11   statement [TS]

01:20:12   I believe you know as far as skyscrapers [TS]

01:20:13   go can you think of another one was [TS]

01:20:15   destroyed by fire is part of the problem [TS]

01:20:17   though is like I'm not a skyscraper for [TS]

01:20:18   expert but like right somebody presents [TS]

01:20:20   that as a fact i'm letting sure where to [TS]

01:20:22   go exactly to check it as someone [TS]

01:20:25   speaking of someone who a is a [TS]

01:20:27   skyscraper experts ok and very [TS]

01:20:29   definitely if a skyscraper has ever been [TS]

01:20:31   destroyed by fire [TS]

01:20:32   I would absolutely would have seen it [TS]

01:20:34   now has the infrastructure God why are [TS]

01:20:38   we talking about this i have to temper [TS]

01:20:39   this by saying I did not know about [TS]

01:20:41   cargo cults which also seems like a [TS]

01:20:43   thing that a week ago I would have said [TS]

01:20:45   if there's such a thing as a cargo I [TS]

01:20:47   would know about it because you have [TS]

01:20:49   room to grow right all right that's [TS]

01:20:50   right but my my only take on that was a [TS]

01:20:54   phrase that sentence just slightly [TS]

01:20:56   differently [TS]

01:20:57   the only three skyscrapers in history [TS]

01:20:59   have ever been destroyed by fire so we [TS]

01:21:01   don't really have a wide set of [TS]

01:21:04   information to determine how it is [TS]

01:21:06   supposed to happen right right [TS]

01:21:08   like all three of them collapsed just [TS]

01:21:10   perfectly straight down maybe that's [TS]

01:21:12   what happens when its skyscrapers [TS]

01:21:14   I mean and that's the pill but how many [TS]

01:21:16   buildings of greater than 80 stories [TS]

01:21:18   have had a plane fly into them right [TS]

01:21:21   how many buildings greater than 80 [TS]

01:21:23   stories have ever been dealt destroyed [TS]

01:21:25   right right we'll let alone destroyed [TS]

01:21:28   and that the answer is zero i don't [TS]

01:21:31   think any building over 80 stories has [TS]

01:21:33   ever been destroyed [TS]

01:21:35   I think they'll let you can get now I [TS]

01:21:38   think they were I think everyone that's [TS]

01:21:39   ever been constructed is still standing [TS]

01:21:41   rock is how you're gonna take one down [TS]

01:21:43   maybe we should move in the same we [TS]

01:21:44   don't time today but maybe we should [TS]

01:21:46   pivot here from the clever catch phrases [TS]

01:21:49   in jargon now into facts we can produce [TS]

01:21:53   some facts for people [TS]

01:21:54   mmm interesting interesting how what [TS]

01:21:57   kind of facts would you like to produce [TS]

01:21:58   oh I mean I think you kind of thing [TS]

01:22:00   that's really obvious until you think [TS]

01:22:02   about it and it doesn't make sense or [TS]

01:22:04   the kind of thing that would be [TS]

01:22:05   difficult to prove or the kind of thing [TS]

01:22:07   that seems really smart but is actually [TS]

01:22:08   just really obvious [TS]

01:22:09   well over ninety percent of the people [TS]

01:22:12   living in Canada will die in the next [TS]

01:22:13   hundred years i believe it i mean that's [TS]

01:22:16   bad that you just phrase that as fit as [TS]

01:22:18   a statistic but but for me it always [TS]

01:22:21   turns that always turns the opposite [TS]

01:22:23   direction which is to say if you were [TS]

01:22:25   going to destroy those buildings with [TS]

01:22:27   explosives which is the contention [TS]

01:22:29   basically have all these conspiracy [TS]

01:22:31   theories they all they all no matter how [TS]

01:22:34   many videos you watch of the airplane [TS]

01:22:36   slamming into the building we're like [TS]

01:22:38   that couldn't have happened that's a [TS]

01:22:39   hologram [TS]

01:22:41   it always arrives at the at the point [TS]

01:22:44   where those buildings were destroyed and [TS]

01:22:47   if they were destroyed by explosives [TS]

01:22:50   I do have a sense of what it would take [TS]

01:22:52   to destroy the world trade center with [TS]

01:22:54   explosives and what it would take is [TS]

01:22:57   dozens of people wiring the entire [TS]

01:23:01   building with explosives going off at [TS]

01:23:03   intervals going off at precisely [TS]

01:23:06   determined intervals but we're talking [TS]

01:23:08   about a building that had people working [TS]

01:23:11   in it every day [TS]

01:23:12   yeah and so how do you flood this [TS]

01:23:14   building with demolition experts and [TS]

01:23:17   flood the building with all the cabling [TS]

01:23:19   the wiring the fuses that the bombs and [TS]

01:23:22   put them in the precise location that [TS]

01:23:25   they need to be which currently is [TS]

01:23:26   covered with wallboard because it's a [TS]

01:23:29   freaking office that's occupied with [TS]

01:23:30   people typing I have to guess this has [TS]

01:23:32   all been covered i'm not sure [TS]

01:23:36   well by the people who they probably all [TS]

01:23:38   you know what the government showed up [TS]

01:23:39   and put it in the elevator shafts but [TS]

01:23:42   that wouldn't destroy any way it always [TS]

01:23:44   seems to me we really have you actually [TS]

01:23:46   thought about this before yes i have [TS]

01:23:48   bone and even get to the level of why [TS]

01:23:51   would they do this who pitches which is [TS]

01:23:54   the level that's really fun right [TS]

01:23:55   because the elevation right well because [TS]

01:23:57   of the Jews usually yeah if you really [TS]

01:24:01   go all the way back to use all the [TS]

01:24:03   tickets because the choose it always is [TS]

01:24:06   you have to uncoded you have to unpack [TS]

01:24:09   but eventually who are always up to miss [TS]

01:24:12   you know what I mean yes [TS]

01:24:14   mm uh-huh but uh but that's why it's [TS]

01:24:19   just at the level of how like you've got [TS]

01:24:22   if you're going all the way to making a [TS]

01:24:23   hologram of a jet crashing into a [TS]

01:24:25   building in order to avoid actually just [TS]

01:24:28   crashing a jet into the building because [TS]

01:24:29   you have a plan is that people just [TS]

01:24:32   trick the the airplane hologram [TS]

01:24:34   listen and you ever read the protocols [TS]

01:24:36   of the Elders of Zion it's right there [TS]

01:24:39   I mean it's not they didn't have [TS]

01:24:41   skyscrapers and don't you shoot the [TS]

01:24:43   hologram the the the image the image [TS]

01:24:46   that's being projected onto air you know [TS]

01:24:48   you shoot that from different angles it [TS]

01:24:50   looks like a plane exploding a building [TS]

01:24:53   well here's what required [TS]

01:24:54   okay i know there i know they're good [TS]

01:24:56   after there's a good with money [TS]

01:24:58   yeah but they may close they're very [TS]

01:25:03   very good at exploiting the blacks for [TS]

01:25:06   making rock music that's another thing [TS]

01:25:09   they're good at but uh but what was [TS]

01:25:12   required in order to make the [TS]

01:25:13   holographic jets is stealth aircraft [TS]

01:25:19   technology because the hologram for [TS]

01:25:21   being broadcast from other planes ok [TS]

01:25:25   it was only when you put it that way it [TS]

01:25:27   doesn't seem crazy right so their [TS]

01:25:28   clothes aircraft sure Wonder Woman jets [TS]

01:25:31   I like an invisible jet invisible jet [TS]

01:25:34   that is that is projecting holographic [TS]

01:25:36   Chet's who are slamming into the [TS]

01:25:38   buildings in impossible ways which is [TS]

01:25:40   which is that the possibility of it is [TS]

01:25:42   detectable by him the human eye in order [TS]

01:25:47   to make it plausible that these World [TS]

01:25:50   Trade Center buildings are being [TS]

01:25:51   destroyed by explosives which is [TS]

01:25:54   something that ultimately is part of [TS]

01:25:56   what the jews are up to some kind of [TS]

01:25:58   mischief that they're up to I loved [TS]

01:26:00   their mischief don't think the other do [TS]

01:26:01   and this is a thing that you want to put [TS]

01:26:03   like 400 documentaries on the internet [TS]

01:26:05   about and then and having successfully [TS]

01:26:10   created Holograms of jets to cover up [TS]

01:26:12   the fact that they were playing with [TS]

01:26:13   these buildings the Jews get wet [TS]

01:26:15   mm oh I'm sorry reg emoni over our [TS]

01:26:20   thought uh-uh alright what they're [TS]

01:26:23   trying it's all it's all a big comentary [TS]

01:26:25   and candidates think it's all a big [TS]

01:26:26   distraction [TS]

01:26:28   yeah it's a big distraction it'sit's [TS]

01:26:30   gaslighting all the way down [TS]

01:26:31   uh-huh and what it what it ultimately [TS]

01:26:34   means is that they you know what they're [TS]

01:26:36   creating in us is uh like a Truman Show [TS]

01:26:40   level of but that we believe that we are [TS]

01:26:44   living in a world that [TS]

01:26:45   we are actually not living in the world [TS]

01:26:48   are actually living in if you take the [TS]

01:26:50   red pill is this world where the [TS]

01:26:53   Rothschilds are bleeding us dry [TS]

01:26:54   ok then it makes people in the crackers [TS]

01:26:57   and whatnot [TS]

01:26:58   yeah oh yeah yeah I'm not they're making [TS]

01:27:01   me the crackers and throw them down [TS]

01:27:02   awhile but that's the thing that you [TS]

01:27:06   need to open your eyes about okay well [TS]

01:27:08   right yeah thats so the ultimate the [TS]

01:27:11   ultimate point of all these videos and [TS]

01:27:13   that's why they that's why they faked [TS]

01:27:14   sandy hook too because they do that to [TS]

01:27:17   ya did they fake sandy hook which is [TS]

01:27:20   just another way of taking our guns [TS]

01:27:23   ah i see if you want to take our guns [TS]

01:27:26   we're going to do just because people [TS]

01:27:27   were upset about sandy hook [TS]

01:27:28   yeah that's right nice so you're gonna [TS]

01:27:30   you're gonna fake this thing where we're [TS]

01:27:32   disturbed teenager goes into an [TS]

01:27:34   elementary school and kills a bunch of [TS]

01:27:35   kindergartners that's how you're gonna [TS]

01:27:36   get our guns IC IC and that the most [TS]

01:27:39   efficient way to to get the guns right [TS]

01:27:42   and the reason you want to get the gun [TS]

01:27:43   because the Jews did you gotta get all [TS]

01:27:47   the way back you I'm not gonna you know [TS]

01:27:49   there's a lot of steps in between but [TS]

01:27:52   when you finally get all the way back [TS]

01:27:53   there [TS]

01:27:54   it's george soros sitting on top of a of [TS]

01:27:58   a pilot killed [TS]

01:27:59   yes said Israel and he making holographs [TS]

01:28:04   he's trying to you know hit there is a [TS]

01:28:06   there is a world of reality that he [TS]

01:28:08   understands that we don't because we're [TS]

01:28:09   blind God we're blind anymore but the [TS]

01:28:15   thing is I'm woke Ryan yes I think yes [TS]

01:28:18   absolutely and so I you know so I'm not [TS]

01:28:21   living in in this state of affairs [TS]

01:28:24   there are two paths you can go by but in [TS]

01:28:26   the long run there's still time to [TS]

01:28:27   change the road run right there's two [TS]

01:28:29   kinds of people in this world [TS]

01:28:30   literatures losers start out Anna [TS]

01:28:35   call it if you can end the show on a [TS]

01:28:42   lindsey buckingham calls [TS]

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