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Ep. 221: "Riding the Ham"

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0:00:00hello hi John

0:00:07hi Merlin how's it going well i'm proud

0:00:15to be an American who huh oh well at

0:00:18least I know I'm free

0:00:19oh no I like that song i'm proud to live

0:00:23in the land i love and that gave its

0:00:25life for me was that I guess I don't

0:00:28have all the lyrics that's pretty good

0:00:29song

0:00:31yeah it had it came under fire a lot

0:00:33well I'm trying to you know get away

0:00:35from the way to generate criticism or

0:00:37whatever how it got used but I i like

0:00:39the like the tune the tone the tune the

0:00:42tone i feel like it's been helpful as

0:00:48they got a lot of crazy names today I

0:00:49feel like that came under fire just like

0:00:51just like the man who composed well how

0:00:55I'm trying to say is like the I mean the

0:00:57there's the famous line from the song

0:00:59but there's a reason we sing that line

0:01:01and it's because it's really catchy it's

0:01:04not what you expect in a chorus it's

0:01:06hooky well and what it does is I i I'm

0:01:09tired i mean i don't have the song front

0:01:11of me I don't have a guitar but I feel

0:01:12like it starts on the one chord let me

0:01:17ask you if you did have a guitar right

0:01:18now would you be capable of playing it I

0:01:21haven't been used to be restoring no no

0:01:24I don't mean would you be capable of

0:01:26playing the guitar but would you be able

0:01:28to play i'm proud to be an American is

0:01:31it a song with in your repertoire now

0:01:34but you know how it is when you do

0:01:37enough like playing well we've talked

0:01:38endlessly about playing along with

0:01:39records and how you get a feel in your

0:01:42hands for like when it's 24 and when

0:01:44it's 250 you know that feeling your

0:01:47hands if you like you know what I mean

0:01:48oh right yeah it's like the feeling of

0:01:50victory

0:01:51mmm the green one in the morning

0:01:54Thank You 105 but I feel like I feel

0:01:58like it's probably like a pretty much

0:02:00like a one-in-four kind of cadence for

0:02:02most of it's not it's not super

0:02:04interesting but the arrangement and the

0:02:06fact that it starts on that ago i'm

0:02:07proud to be an American

0:02:09it's it's just a it's very catchy catchy

0:02:12tone yeah

0:02:13it is the day's cachito yeah but that's

0:02:16how I am I'm that's I'm that proud

0:02:20oh that's nice yeah yeah i think i am

0:02:24too good

0:02:25yeah well let's start off this show with

0:02:29some American pride did you get tickets

0:02:31to the private property lose em coming

0:02:36up on four minutes after the hour we're

0:02:38going to talk about pride pride pride is

0:02:41a it's a front topic it is you know it's

0:02:44one of the seven deadly sins is that

0:02:46right yeah

0:02:47pride goeth before a fall huh

0:02:51Oh actually was a technically I think

0:02:53it's pride goeth before destruction and

0:02:55a haughty spirit before a fall

0:02:57is that right yeah i think it's Romans

0:02:58uh so why do I have it was just a

0:03:03condensation of of that it's sort of

0:03:05like a maid the trains run on time type

0:03:07situation I think we just trying to

0:03:10explain that and every time I try to

0:03:11explain that anecdote that you told I I

0:03:13don't tell it with the ferocity and

0:03:15clarity that you do because it it filled

0:03:19me with so much joy it's so great but

0:03:21it's like explaining a pun

0:03:22yeah it's like going to go see if I said

0:03:25you had a beautiful body would you hold

0:03:29it against me see it's a double entendre

0:03:33yes see that they were actually saying

0:03:36that he made the trains run on time

0:03:38it's that now we know that way if you

0:03:41give me that obviously believe me

0:03:43yeah absolutely I I that anecdote made

0:03:49me cry when I first heard it and then it

0:03:52made me cry when I retold it and it was

0:03:55it was one of those things like a like

0:03:57you know that you hear something to make

0:03:58you cry man here again it makes you

0:04:00crying

0:04:01there were there were three or four

0:04:04three or four times that I told that

0:04:07story a where it made me cry before I

0:04:10finally like got right when we got like

0:04:13tempered two questions first of all we

0:04:17were crying in different ways and second

0:04:19is your daughter there no now was I

0:04:23crying in different ways no my

0:04:24daughter's you can take the first

0:04:25question first

0:04:26was I crying in different ways yes I

0:04:29mean I was crying with like i was i was

0:04:33crying tears of joy at the ludicrous

0:04:37business of of humanity

0:04:42I mean it just seemed like it was an

0:04:43anecdote that made me that just that

0:04:46just said so much it's spelled so much

0:04:49it's in line with that the reason i

0:04:51think one reason to keep conflating our

0:04:52getting it wrong in thinking it was

0:04:53Stalin is it's very much in line with

0:04:55that classic black russian sense of

0:04:59humor

0:05:00yeah you know what I mean we talked we

0:05:02talked about this but there it's so in

0:05:03line with that it's like it's such a

0:05:04perfect instance of that kind of black

0:05:06humor

0:05:07yeah then and and yet I and I don't know

0:05:11it just makes so much sense it so it's

0:05:14so hilarious

0:05:15I i am i've been out of coffee

0:05:20Oh to get out of coffee

0:05:24well see this is the thing I don't worry

0:05:26my toilet paper on amazon prime

0:05:28ok I wait that's not i'm sorry that

0:05:31sounded like it don't take the hit you

0:05:33know that's what I can get your attitude

0:05:35copy but surely look at me she was a big

0:05:39ok something like the logicians might

0:05:42call that a non sequitur but what if you

0:05:44know just a little dislocated

0:05:46no I where I had to go to the bathroom I

0:05:49go I don't shop very well or often and I

0:05:55don't here's the thing

0:05:57Oh generally i get my coffee for free

0:06:01because it's in a swag bags

0:06:07oh yeah right right like anymore if i go

0:06:10to an event there they give you a pound

0:06:13of coffee and a pair of like cheap

0:06:17sunglasses and whatever it is indeed a

0:06:20USB Drive ever John I I i have a few of

0:06:25them hanging on the doorknob right in

0:06:27in view of where I'm sitting I can see

0:06:28like four USB drives hanging on lanyards

0:06:32but yeah pound copy is typically the

0:06:35gift that you give someone that you're

0:06:38not paying very well that if they come

0:06:41to to be part of your presentation and

0:06:44so I usually wait around until I'm

0:06:48invited to something like that I get my

0:06:51pound of coffee and then there's always

0:06:54another pound of coffee laying around

0:06:56that somebody didn't want that at the

0:06:58end of the at the end of the event when

0:07:00I'm the last person to leave the

0:07:01dressing room like numbers that pound of

0:07:04coffee right and then somebody typically

0:07:07there are a couple of things that were

0:07:08they give you a pound of coffee and a

0:07:10bottle of wine and I usually stand in

0:07:14the middle of the room at events like

0:07:15that and I say trade my bottle of wine

0:07:17for a pound of coffee LOL sounds all

0:07:20trading places everybody yeah i'll tap

0:07:23tonight so somebody's like what what

0:07:25and so so I'll typically come home from

0:07:28an event like that with with the with

0:07:30the patio but you know bag of coffee

0:07:32like a I'm sorry a bag of bags of coffee

0:07:36and that will you know part of me along

0:07:39until the next event so but I had run

0:07:41out so this could also be a lot of the

0:07:44bellwether that maybe you should do more

0:07:46events exactly right i was thinking that

0:07:48same thing like wait a minute i haven't

0:07:50been to Portland in a month and a half

0:07:52and then portland is famous for this

0:07:55movie i'll give you up a pound of coffee

0:07:57you know just for showing up a bridal

0:08:02shower huh

0:08:03no I've never been to a bridal shower

0:08:06i'm not invited to this but anyway so go

0:08:08ahead you're about to say something

0:08:10no I just did coffees one of those

0:08:11things that I really trying not to run

0:08:16out of ya is one of those things like I

0:08:18mean the obvious once you get your

0:08:19toilet paper and paper towels and your

0:08:21whatnots or your you know milk for the

0:08:23kid that I i usually have one in the

0:08:25chamber you don't want to run out of

0:08:27what not especially you heard that

0:08:29phrase three is 22 is one and one is

0:08:30none

0:08:31it seems like it's sort of good

0:08:35schenectady to the phrase one boy can do

0:08:39the work of one boy two boys can do the

0:08:41work of half a boy and three boys do no

0:08:44work at all

0:08:44that's terrific mmm that's so good i got

0:08:48some grandfather shit right now i think

0:08:49that the phrase that I was citing is I

0:08:52think it comes from the world of

0:08:54material like you know you're the what

0:08:58is it sergeant sale or whatever like you

0:09:00you're that you're the supply person

0:09:01sure and I learned about it you're

0:09:03serian yeah right yes Aaron I learned

0:09:06about it from the Pakistan videographer

0:09:08cgpgrey whose videos I think you've seen

0:09:11and and he says that when you have

0:09:14important things in your life that it's

0:09:17an excellent principal and something's

0:09:19really it's really stuck in my head

0:09:20because that the idea being that too is

0:09:2211 0 and 0 is negative 1 right

0:09:25yeah 322 is one is none and if you think

0:09:28about it in terms of let's say you've

0:09:30got you've got deployed like you got a

0:09:31base somewhere and if you have the

0:09:34moonbase well I could be yeah sure you

0:09:37more than ever more than ever in that

0:09:38case but let's say you've got I don't

0:09:40know arbitrary let's see about three

0:09:41generators that are available to like

0:09:45run the unit need this one generator

0:09:47well you have to basically act like that

0:09:48one generator is broken because it once

0:09:52it's broken you really only you won't

0:09:53have three anymore you have to you have

0:09:55to ensure this gets dead so to get to

0:09:57the bottom of the stack it to one is

0:09:58none which means that once you have one

0:10:00bag of coffee left you essentially have

0:10:01no coffee left sure you're screwed well

0:10:03just from a supply standpoint I is it

0:10:05you know it's sticky saying I like yours

0:10:07too about the boys that's good

0:10:09well this is what this is why i always

0:10:11think uh I always think in increments of

0:10:13four million dollars interesting because

0:10:17if you had four million dollars and this

0:10:20applies to four hundred dollars but I

0:10:22like to think of it in terms of four

0:10:24million dollars because my daydream who

0:10:26write yeah but you have four million

0:10:29dollars you put two million dollars

0:10:31immediately somewhere that you can't get

0:10:33it he put it

0:10:35somebody put into bonds or you put it

0:10:37give to barry bonds he you do something

0:10:40with two million of it half of it where

0:10:43it immediately goes away

0:10:44into some special place where you

0:10:47stopped but mostly in a special

0:10:49unattainable money whole unattainable

0:10:51money hole but but in particular you do

0:10:53that only so that you stop thinking

0:10:55about it as belonging to you to my

0:10:58daughters gone so now you have two

0:11:00million dollars ok so now forced to for

0:11:03us to exactly and then with the two

0:11:05million dollars then you divide the 2

0:11:07million dollars so that 1 million

0:11:09dollars is in it you still think of it

0:11:12as belonging to you as being like

0:11:14accessible money but it's in it very

0:11:16difficult to play it's like in savings

0:11:20its deeper there's little deeper levels

0:11:23you put a million dollars into like deep

0:11:25freeze it's not all the way into I don't

0:11:27miss any more in your mind but it's in

0:11:29free floors 22 is 12 as one and now

0:11:33within one then you start having you

0:11:37know then you start having the one and

0:11:39into i guess i would put it into thirds

0:11:43right one-third is what you're living on

0:11:46one third is your money and one-third is

0:11:51your money that you are thinking about

0:11:54what i'm going to do with this money and

0:11:58then one third of that you find a way to

0:12:00give it away

0:12:00wow you should write an e-book is that

0:12:04does that is that ebook level of of like

0:12:08think think technology is just my

0:12:10opinion

0:12:11I'll tell you why because it's not an

0:12:13idea that really needs like a 300-page

0:12:15book or like a whole like blu-ray like

0:12:18that is it's a larger than pamphlet

0:12:20sized idea it's a family fun pop it's a

0:12:22pamphlet sized idea but the

0:12:24implementation of that idea is like

0:12:26really that's where the texture is and

0:12:28and but you wouldn't necessarily put on

0:12:29something to Waldenbooks because i don't

0:12:31think they have all the books anymore i

0:12:33don't suppose we're going to sell your

0:12:34gold where those Christopher Walken

0:12:36walking accept that this is it gets

0:12:40guide has been on my ass or did they

0:12:43only sell throw not anything that's

0:12:47hardly a courtesy lab Maya

0:12:51but ah so I my mom a frequent character

0:12:57on this podcast my mom said you're out

0:13:01of coffee

0:13:01she came by the house you're out of

0:13:04coffee she said yeah I know she said

0:13:06bartels which is our locally owned

0:13:11drugstore chain here

0:13:12yeah she said bartels has a sale on

0:13:15coffee

0:13:18it's like 499 a pound for a brand of

0:13:23coffee that's pretty darn good

0:13:24that's pretty good and I was like whoa

0:13:27that's pretty good and she said you want

0:13:28me to get you something I said yeah she

0:13:30said well I can't go to my bar towels

0:13:32because i already got i already use the

0:13:35coupon I OIC she got to wear a fake

0:13:38mustache or something yeah that's right

0:13:40they all know me there but i can find

0:13:43another coupon and go to go to a

0:13:44different bar tells its it's starting to

0:13:46sound like a like a little bit of a

0:13:48george costanza move now uh huh

0:13:52she's gonna go to a different bar tells

0:13:53and and get me get me some you know get

0:13:56max out the coupon for four pounds of

0:13:59coffee this is the folgers no no its

0:14:01like a this is a this is the tight

0:14:04this is beans to bag of beans out of 10

0:14:08that's it that's a very good deal where

0:14:10your deal and it's you know and it's a

0:14:12brand you recognize but they're not

0:14:13advertising on our podcast so why would

0:14:15I give them or a light totally agree

0:14:17you know what i mean i'd say that you

0:14:18know what you mean do you remember a

0:14:20time when people were taping over the

0:14:23name taping over the word fender on

0:14:25their stratocaster because they because

0:14:28they didn't want to be didn't want to

0:14:32advertise yea yea or their amps and you

0:14:36see you still see it in TV shows a lot

0:14:38we're in order to show reality you want

0:14:41to show everybody using either an apple

0:14:43or Adele usually guess what people use

0:14:46for laptops but an apple laptop is very

0:14:48distinctive not least because it has a

0:14:50large apple on it and so you'll see

0:14:52people putting putting stickers and

0:14:53whatnot on there i mean i've been asked

0:14:55to cover my apple on a video on video

0:14:57things yes I've definitely been told to

0:14:59turn my water bottle in my hand during a

0:15:03photoshoot

0:15:04oh so they don't see that you're an

0:15:06Aquafina man not a dishonest man that's

0:15:08right well you can tell him out of the

0:15:09Sami man just by looking at I want to

0:15:11circle back to that because I got some I

0:15:12got some updated thoughts on dasani ok

0:15:14but the world isn't so so let's see 3321

0:15:18coffee mom's gonna go to bartells she's

0:15:20going to scare up another coupon right

0:15:22and it

0:15:23mm well so wait I jumped ahead i'm sorry

0:15:26ok let's let's let's go back we don't

0:15:28know if mom has done that or not

0:15:30ok it in the timeline of the stylet it

0:15:32out then i go to a wedding i went to a

0:15:36wedding this weekend where every person

0:15:39at the wedding

0:15:40waiting for them at the dinner table was

0:15:43a coffee mug with the with the emblem of

0:15:46the wedding party has its own kind

0:15:49little mark wedding party had their own

0:15:51brand or their own watermark who and

0:15:56it's on the coffee mug is delightful

0:15:58little thing and then within the coffee

0:16:00mug kind of set in the in the mug at a

0:16:03jaunty angle is a pound of coffee

0:16:05nice a pound of good coffee mm when I

0:16:09walk thing its wedding coffee so I walk

0:16:11in there's 200 people at this dinner and

0:16:13I survey the room and I'm like they're

0:16:15200 coffee mugs and 200 pounds of coffee

0:16:18in this room and I know for a fact and

0:16:21I'm one of the groomsmen

0:16:23oh my gosh so I'm there early and I know

0:16:25I'm going to be there late and I know

0:16:27there's going to be some rogue coffee

0:16:30bag you know people are going to you

0:16:32John you know how this works first of

0:16:33all you're in a position of extreme

0:16:35privilege and in a good way you should

0:16:37be allowed i think is in the Magna Carta

0:16:38I think you're allowed to go up and

0:16:40basically get people's coffee

0:16:41here's the other thing a lot of people

0:16:43are going to some drinks they're going

0:16:44to take off the shoes to get a dance and

0:16:46they're going to leave without

0:16:48remembering to take the coffee

0:16:49that's right and you just you just sit

0:16:52there like a crow on a wire just waiting

0:16:53and watching watching wing it's three

0:16:56o'clock in the afternoon and i'm already

0:16:58planning for 145 in the morning and I'm

0:17:01marking the people in my head who are

0:17:04going to get carried out of that wedding

0:17:05reception on a gurney and I would like

0:17:09wading into who i don't want to forget

0:17:11my local market my coffee nothing i can

0:17:13do that

0:17:14no they're not they're going to be like

0:17:15well

0:17:16Colin uber and I mean 17 that the same

0:17:19arena

0:17:19somebody cut the total that's the point

0:17:21out i'm gonna swoop down and and so I

0:17:28walked out of that wedding at an end up

0:17:29at a certain point the the reception is

0:17:32coming to a close and the staff the

0:17:35people who are going to tear this this

0:17:38party down who are swooping in and

0:17:41they're starting to clean up and they're

0:17:43sweeping up the debris and they're taken

0:17:45together they got they got out what we

0:17:47call that when you are you strike the

0:17:48set

0:17:49they got to get ready for the Abramowitz

0:17:51but Mitzvah that's exactly right that's

0:17:52happening tomorrow morning huh well no

0:17:55tomorrow morning there's a there's like

0:17:57a flower show

0:17:58ok then the bottom it's what happens in

0:18:00the afternoon but they're swooping in

0:18:03there they're striking the set and I'm

0:18:05saying kind of in the kind of been

0:18:08through the the four is 22 is 11 is none

0:18:12yeah one is one-third I'm saying you

0:18:16know I've gotta tie the sum of this copy

0:18:18to these people because I'm looking

0:18:20around there's probably there's probably

0:18:22nine unattended how you know you're at

0:18:26the point where having the one and your

0:18:28figure out how do I spread the wealth

0:18:29that's right that a nice John

0:18:31these guys are you cleaning up the clean

0:18:34up the place and you know and they're

0:18:36kind of looking around like this coffee

0:18:38just gonna the phrase you would use in

0:18:42the cavities is for anyone that's right

0:18:44this for anyone is this is this gonna

0:18:47get bend or is this gonna find its way

0:18:50into my messenger bag and so you know I

0:18:53again as you say i have the authority i

0:18:55have the privilege of being one of the

0:18:56people in a pink tie if you will

0:18:59who so I swooped in i swoop across the

0:19:03room I survey the room and I'm like that

0:19:05one that one that one that so anyway I

0:19:07come home with six pounds of coffee

0:19:10jiminy Christmas good quality copy and i

0:19:13arrived home to find there are four

0:19:16pounds of coffee in my refrigerator that

0:19:19my mom bought with a coupon

0:19:21oh my gosh that is so nice

0:19:22step but now i have 10 pounds of coffee

0:19:27which witch too many I I don't want to

0:19:32introduce triangulation here but are you

0:19:34i'm guessing you're recording from home

0:19:35today

0:19:37oh uh no I don't like asking terms of

0:19:41the the coffee situation

0:19:43oh yes that's right ok so you have

0:19:45access to coffee now have access to

0:19:47coffee and I'm and I'm feeling pretty

0:19:49good caffeinated ok but I'm but I'm

0:19:52concerned I'm concerned about my

0:19:55well-being because now I have too much

0:19:56coffee and I'm concerned about the

0:19:58coffee's well-being because i don't know

0:20:00if i have the I don't know if I have the

0:20:02facilities to maintain 10 pounds of

0:20:06coffee in a in a in a min estate ready

0:20:09now right

0:20:11like I feel like I should put five

0:20:13pounds in a place where I don't even

0:20:15think I have it I got it I got it

0:20:17where is that where the copy isn't going

0:20:19to be isn't going to be kind of is going

0:20:23to spoil it something some way that's

0:20:25the kind of thing that makes me wish I

0:20:27lived in like a rich people suburb and

0:20:29had like a second refrigerator and a

0:20:30deep freeze and all that kind of stuff

0:20:32because that's kind of like your

0:20:33unattainable money hole in some ways not

0:20:35precisely but you know another thing

0:20:36they say out of sight out of mind right

0:20:38and also to really let's be honest a lot

0:20:40like cats wanting to see i'd like to

0:20:41have a look at for companionship

0:20:43it's nothing got 12 cats right so I mean

0:20:46that's not good for you or the cats and

0:20:47in this case the coffee's can be saying

0:20:48what was going on with me

0:20:50speaking of cat yeah I noticed that the

0:20:53latest update of the iOS is Sierra uh

0:20:57yes that's correct

0:20:59do they run out of cats the they chose

0:21:03to do a pivot from big cats two

0:21:06locations in California and there's a

0:21:08there's a kind of a subtle way the date

0:21:12Telegraph how important or big the

0:21:15change in the release is by for example

0:21:18like you somebody is a big deal and then

0:21:20el capitan is a smaller deal because

0:21:22that's just a place in Yosemite who

0:21:24knows how far they're gonna go i miss

0:21:25the cats so I've always enjoyed the cats

0:21:27so do you think there's going to be like

0:21:28an iOS Compton em on iOS launch

0:21:33that's iOS but no I don't think they

0:21:37would I think they're sticking with the

0:21:38numbers but it can be very very

0:21:39confusing and then this also extends to

0:21:41their the different models of a computer

0:21:43of things because that those get

0:21:45confusing names too and so a lot of the

0:21:47human cry right now Isabella oh my gosh

0:21:49what's gonna happen what they can

0:21:51announce on thursday is going to be a

0:21:53macbook is going to be a macbook air is

0:21:55there going to be a macbook pro or

0:21:57they're going to be the features of what

0:21:58we used to call a macbook air in

0:22:00something that's no longer called a

0:22:01macbook air

0:22:02this is some people have podcast about

0:22:04why are you all humans didn't talk about

0:22:07that today you mean well the thing is

0:22:10it's important that i talk about these

0:22:11things with you because I keep telling

0:22:13people when they say what you do for a

0:22:15living again

0:22:15yeah I say I'm kind of I'm kind of in

0:22:20the text fear and they may tilt their

0:22:24heads quizzically and their spouse does

0:22:27to like like a dog that just harmonica

0:22:29and it's a go

0:22:34I'm kind of disruptive within the

0:22:36texture

0:22:37oh and then make up their heads the

0:22:40other one go

0:22:41mmm only Nixon could go to China that's

0:22:44right and so periodically I think it's

0:22:47important that i talk about text oh

0:22:49that's that's a terrific idea

0:22:50yeah because it it repositions me

0:22:54centrally in the disruptive a quadrant

0:22:58of the texts fear right is every spirit

0:23:02is divided into quadrants that's right

0:23:04every sphere has quadrants and over here

0:23:05you got a normative quadrant you're not

0:23:07interested in that there's no future in

0:23:08the normative quadrant new you want to

0:23:11be another disruptive cause a dominant

0:23:13quadrant and then there's the what was a

0:23:19missive no I don't think submissive I

0:23:21think it would be a subversive oh I see

0:23:25you say you're going to the dominant

0:23:28quadra subvert the dominant quadrant of

0:23:30the sphere right

0:23:32ok so that's where I like to locate

0:23:35myself for being located i don't know if

0:23:38you can locate yourself

0:23:39I think you can I think you need to be

0:23:41located

0:23:42bye-bye others by the culture by the

0:23:47conventional wisdom and in order to do

0:23:49that you have to maintain a foot in the

0:23:52in the selected quadrant okay you know

0:23:54what no I'm gonna allow it i'll tell you

0:23:56this I'll tell you one thing i don't

0:23:57like about about Bill Clinton was that

0:23:59he introduced the word grow as far as i

0:24:02know into the parlance as a transitive

0:24:04verb i do not like when people use grow

0:24:06as a transitive verb I don't think

0:24:08detect you don't want to grow our

0:24:10quadrant to see I think that's going to

0:24:12be happening in the in the

0:24:13counter-revolutionary non-dominant hand

0:24:15of the public of the severe well I think

0:24:18what we're doing here fires didn't

0:24:20correct me if I'm wrong but if you want

0:24:21to use locate as a reflexive verb to

0:24:26talk about where you decide to see how

0:24:29about this how about you situate

0:24:30yourself i'm pretty sure all to sarah

0:24:33said you can situate you can situate

0:24:35others and I imagine with a little bit

0:24:37of effort you can situate yourself i

0:24:39think i'd ride to such I think we I try

0:24:42to situate myself within your and my

0:24:44context so then it's like a Zen sphere a

0:24:49sense their spirits fears upon spirits

0:24:51fears all the way down huh

0:24:53I tried to be nice try to situate myself

0:24:56with you within our text within our

0:24:58sphere which is within the text fear

0:25:01okay okay I think I got it I'm situating

0:25:03myself with you as the disrupt or

0:25:08but i am but i think that that that it's

0:25:15not capable

0:25:16I'm not capable of well for instance I

0:25:18don't think you can say about yourself

0:25:21that you're woke oh yeah it's like

0:25:24calling your own verse poetry

0:25:26yeah i think only someone else only a

0:25:29stakeholder can describe you as woke you

0:25:33i know another one thought leader

0:25:36oh you're not allowed to call yourself a

0:25:38thought later somebody else calls you a

0:25:40thought leader you can punch him in the

0:25:41nose but but i think if you call

0:25:43yourself a thought leader you can have a

0:25:44heater problems and let's be honest just

0:25:46because you have one bag of coffee two

0:25:48bags of coffees three coffees bags that

0:25:51doesn't mean you can also have a larger

0:25:53bag in which to situate those coffees

0:25:55these are the weddings or speak speaking

0:25:58events now if you are Steve Aoki can you

0:26:00call yourself a thought leader Steve a

0:26:03key is he the guy in fargo i think use

0:26:09isn't here in electro house musician

0:26:13yeah I don't mean like you I don't use

0:26:16it like a musician in houses were

0:26:18nothing like he's an electrician he

0:26:21might be an electrician like an

0:26:23electrical engineer i'm thinking of the

0:26:25guy that Frances McDormand goes to visit

0:26:27in in the Twin Cities I thought that I

0:26:32steve aoki like who's like weirdly

0:26:35really creepily one sort of cheat on her

0:26:38husband that's a really good movie that

0:26:40is a nice me like that movie i do that's

0:26:42a fine fine movie

0:26:44oh boy like that movie line i like those

0:26:46guys that make those movies becomes I

0:26:49like those guys today there one of those

0:26:51one of that they're they're the kind of

0:26:54artists were like regardless of how i

0:26:55feel about every single thing that they

0:26:57make

0:26:58I always will be attracted to their

0:27:01point of view

0:27:03yeah you know I didn't make it even all

0:27:05the way through health Caesar that's

0:27:06okay it happens I'm I try again but yet

0:27:09really that's that's my daughter really

0:27:11wants to watch it because it's really

0:27:12funny yeah it with the trailer looks

0:27:14funny but we're but that was that it was

0:27:16like not funny it was it was it was hard

0:27:19to watch because it was

0:27:21because they they land so many punches

0:27:24normally throughout their career they

0:27:26have and this was just a swish that

0:27:29everybody in it and frankly I honestly

0:27:32this is hard for me this is really hard

0:27:34for me to say okay say slowly not so

0:27:41sure about Clooney not so sure about

0:27:46Clooney yeah yeah I don't like to say it

0:27:51yeah I don't like to ruminate on that

0:27:53one because I'm pretty easy kind of the

0:27:56Pantheon for me I before me too i'm kind

0:27:59of pro Clooney I go I look out into the

0:28:01world and I go Clooney right if there

0:28:04was a knock on the door I opened the

0:28:06door and there were two people standing

0:28:09there and dark sunglasses in black suits

0:28:11uh-huh and they said Clooney I'd say

0:28:15Clooney yeah right you're not gonna stay

0:28:18and see like no and I feel like I feel

0:28:21like you know a barring any information

0:28:23to the contrary my god is that he's a

0:28:26he's a good guy a good guy right i feel

0:28:29that same way about pit innovative these

0:28:31two guys at the door like Clooney and

0:28:32Pitt Clooney and poke

0:28:34I was I'd say yeah they do my taxes yeah

0:28:36like I i love cleaning but there are

0:28:40there are there's I think ample evidence

0:28:42to say about pit at least there's ample

0:28:46evidence where you could be any one of

0:28:48them but hmm yeah really i just i always

0:28:53felt like that charm that smile

0:28:56he's gonna get away with it there's

0:28:59something a friend of mine likes to say

0:29:00about why i'm not on a lot of his

0:29:01podcast which is that he likes to deploy

0:29:03me tactically which i think is a very

0:29:06nice way of saying he just doesn't want

0:29:07too much of me on it shows which i think

0:29:09is an entirely reasonable point of view

0:29:10it is what you're saying here that maybe

0:29:12cleaning is something we should deploy

0:29:13tactically what I'm saying is Clooney as

0:29:17a comedic actor I feel like that's the

0:29:22leap that we have that we that we are

0:29:24making one reflectively and we need to

0:29:27stop we need to take a step back at ya

0:29:30Clooney's very charming he's wonderful

0:29:33he's handsome

0:29:34is he truly a comedic actor oh brother

0:29:37where art out

0:29:38well this is what I'm saying oh brother

0:29:41where art down is a very very

0:29:43interesting film that will get a lot of

0:29:46people love it's sort of like Moonrise

0:29:48Kingdom no doubt very good or i would

0:29:52even say steve zissou it's one of those

0:29:54like if you don't like the general Wes

0:29:57Anderson deal don't start with steve

0:29:59zissou but I feel like Moonrise Kingdom

0:30:02is one of the films where a where like a

0:30:08fans of the director can differ there is

0:30:15a lot I don't think that's the

0:30:16apotheosis of what wes anderson is

0:30:19capable of right now I mean people who

0:30:22are fans are like this is this is the

0:30:24one right and then there are others like

0:30:29me who feel like no that is not true

0:30:34that is not this is it's not it's not

0:30:38the nadir either but it's like I have I

0:30:41have strong criticisms of that film ever

0:30:43and oh brother where art thou

0:30:45I feel is very similar in the sense that

0:30:48at the center of the movie is an act or

0:30:52that does not belong there

0:30:55uh-huh ate a little bit like CII more of

0:30:59those weirdos that I like the the Great

0:31:01Khan brothers movies that everybody

0:31:03likes and I also i really-really jail

0:31:05enjoy some of the slider films like I i

0:31:08really like the hudsucker proxy a lot

0:31:10and some people removing some people

0:31:12really don't like that movie and I think

0:31:14it's wonderful but in that case is it

0:31:17just is it is it a little bit too coen

0:31:20brothers and that's not helped by the

0:31:21clooney what about later type of years

0:31:23Ladykillers you got Tom Hanks with a

0:31:24stutter I feel like I feel like Clooney

0:31:29is clown and Clooney is clowning clooney

0:31:32is clown in that movie he is Hammond

0:31:35Hammond it up and the thing about the

0:31:37Coen brothers is that everybody's hand

0:31:40all the time in all their movies but

0:31:42they're not smirking they're showing

0:31:47John Goodman it's like swinging from the

0:31:49rafters but he's committed he's

0:31:51committed

0:31:52yes John Goodman is really happening but

0:31:55he's not clownin you believe it

0:31:59uh-huh and you look throughout all the

0:32:01Coen brothers movies who are the who's

0:32:04clowning and it's Clooney's class

0:32:06Clooney's clownin yeah so you can see

0:32:09all the way through

0:32:10oh brother out there which is a great

0:32:12film everybody else is like is all the

0:32:16way in happening there there there ham

0:32:21Virginia ham been having the hand and

0:32:24Clooney is riding the hand all i see is

0:32:28like slim pickins on the on the the bomb

0:32:31you know you don't you don't fly a

0:32:33rocket ship you're right it

0:32:34that's right that's right and eating

0:32:36with Virginia ham you need to be in the

0:32:39ham you need to be the ham have it to

0:32:40hangout ride that that's right so let's

0:32:44go with the ham right you don't have the

0:32:46ham ride you in transitively so if be if

0:32:50your brother where art thou clooney is

0:32:52you know he's playing the role but he's

0:32:54right in the ham ya been at OC old

0:32:57Caesar or hail caesar right who's not

0:33:01even he's just like he's sweating

0:33:04through the oldies if you know what I

0:33:06see how this yes Jackie kind of fake

0:33:10teeth in hail caesar did they do things

0:33:13to make his teeth more funny in that I

0:33:15find feel like yes although when you

0:33:19comment on Hollywood actors teeth i know

0:33:21i mean in a like this is obviously fixed

0:33:25fake teeth sort of like like Matt and

0:33:27Matt Matt Matt Damon uh the kid from the

0:33:30eighties movie chillin chillin in that

0:33:34one movie with the other guy we have all

0:33:37yeah with the girl with the girl would

0:33:39be a few minutes in hair

0:33:41yeah so like okay and I'm kind of going

0:33:43somewhere with this and this is this is

0:33:44a large unified field theory that might

0:33:46be a ham

0:33:47but i'm thinking also think of the movie

0:33:48snowpiercer which owes us a lot of

0:33:51fucking money arm very good movie but

0:33:54till the Swinton she has a character

0:33:57with fake teeth she's cloud in the ham

0:33:59too

0:34:00she's transformed by those 50 she is i

0:34:03think i think in many of these instances

0:34:05the teeth make people a little Clowney

0:34:07yeah and and i think it doesn't always

0:34:10work

0:34:11I'm gonna you know I'll fight anybody in

0:34:13the snowpiercer fight ring you know I

0:34:16can

0:34:18there were interesting

0:34:21snowpiercer is is a series of

0:34:23interesting vignettes stitched together

0:34:26with the incomprehensible like one page

0:34:31the one page of snowpiercer makes no

0:34:34sense of the the four three two one on

0:34:36that is I feel like the first quarter of

0:34:38it is riveting

0:34:40yeah the second quarter maybe half of

0:34:43that and then by the time you get to the

0:34:45end you get to the front you're like oh

0:34:46yeah you really had me ask me a little

0:34:49bit yeah you lost me here I'm I've been

0:34:53wondering that we've talked about this

0:34:54quite a bit like how do scripts get made

0:34:57in particular howdy shitty scripts get

0:34:59all the way to Maine ok I've just been

0:35:03recently watching the very popular

0:35:05television show strange strange things

0:35:09strange strange ways

0:35:10stranger things stranger thing to eat a

0:35:13new password re-establish my old

0:35:17password

0:35:18oh that's good for mending fences yeah I

0:35:22made a that's right that's right and I i

0:35:26watch the show and it was a thing where

0:35:29you know at first you're like is this

0:35:31just a TV show and then things start

0:35:34happening here like this interesting TV

0:35:36show and then a little while in I

0:35:39started to feel at least like there's

0:35:42acting happening here some of what i

0:35:44thought was just not very good acting is

0:35:47good acting then I got you know a little

0:35:51bit like mm that relationship between

0:35:53those people is annoying me now

0:35:55I feel like if I warriors yeah if I were

0:35:58in the writing room I would have I would

0:36:00have done that I would have handled that

0:36:01a little better put a little bit of

0:36:02backspin on that who and then about what

0:36:06would you what would you say

0:36:08four-fifths of the way through i said

0:36:10this had better not be one of those

0:36:13shows where the writing falls apart

0:36:15four-fifths of the way through the show

0:36:17because nobody thought about how to end

0:36:20it i remember getting i want to say into

0:36:22the penultimate episode and thinking wow

0:36:25they have a lot of loose ends to clean

0:36:29up in an hour

0:36:30that's right and and it felt very much

0:36:33like you guys didn't think this all the

0:36:35way through and i'm picturing you in the

0:36:37writing room and no there's no person in

0:36:39the writing room who's sitting back in

0:36:42their chair and saying now wait a minute

0:36:44what why in the universe of this all

0:36:49happening like why or furthermore like

0:36:54not just what

0:36:56but like that that thing has motivations

0:36:59to yeah I know I that that's the most

0:37:01interesting kind of story is that bring

0:37:03the thing has motivation see it's like

0:37:05what you name another just to go to an

0:37:07old example alien and aliens like you

0:37:10know the particular alien it has things

0:37:12that it wants

0:37:13mhm sure does a like so many of these so

0:37:17many monster movies now that the the

0:37:22thing is just a thing

0:37:23ya mean Jason had a motivation who

0:37:27Michael Myers had motivation who i'm not

0:37:31sure about the one with the sweater and

0:37:34the little over four sky with the stripe

0:37:36sweater

0:37:37yeah who came into your dreams and did

0:37:39bad things yeah uh what was his

0:37:42motivation he was be was dream he was in

0:37:44a dream and he's mad i think was a child

0:37:46molester who that throwing a furnace who

0:37:49I think and then he gets in your dreams

0:37:52yeah yeah child molester in first that's

0:37:55terrible ah uh-huh

0:37:59I know I know I thought will meet i take

0:38:03the heat I deserve it but then but then

0:38:06that the the stranger things arrived at

0:38:09its end and I was relieved of my of my

0:38:15relieved of the horror of of having

0:38:19spent a season with this and then

0:38:21meeting to hate it yeah but like I I get

0:38:25it arrived at the end and I went alright

0:38:28television you have you you succeed use

0:38:32you didn't i'm not sure you stuck the

0:38:34landing but you made the landing you

0:38:36arch your back put your hands in the air

0:38:38now it's up to the judges

0:38:39yeah did they stick it yeah now it's up

0:38:41to history to judge you i don't feel

0:38:44ripped off guiding good question i

0:38:46didn't watch lost be ever one time early

0:38:52on we were on tour and uh and a very

0:38:56delightful band we were opening for a

0:38:58for a delightful band and they gave us i

0:39:01pod the first ipods that had TV screen

0:39:08oh neato yeah those are neat with it was

0:39:10that the ipod need oh ok i thought

0:39:12needed came with a sock em so we all got

0:39:15ipod nose and the other guys in the band

0:39:19loaded their ipod nose with things

0:39:21immediately and I don't know how they

0:39:23did it

0:39:24probably online people mover whooping

0:39:27all this on their ipod those are four

0:39:29things now I kept my yard and then you

0:39:31have to use the ethernet cable they did

0:39:32somehow we were in Europe I don't even

0:39:34know how they did it

0:39:35that's a whole different voltage there

0:39:37well yeah exactly right you can't even

0:39:39play Betamax tapes over multiple pal but

0:39:42uh I kept mine in the box probably for a

0:39:46year and then my mom a frequent

0:39:50character on this podcast LOL she found

0:39:53my ipod no in the box and she was like

0:39:56what's this nice and it's an i pad pod

0:39:58and she said oh my now and then she took

0:40:02it and loaded up with stuff she loaded

0:40:04up with the history of indie rock to

0:40:06create a thick and she's been that was

0:40:08pre Creed

0:40:10and she's I don't know she used it until

0:40:12it caught on fire but anyway one time we

0:40:14were driving through Austria or

0:40:16something and i was maybe sick and I was

0:40:20just mad and Eric course on the bass

0:40:23player the long winter said here why

0:40:24don't you watch an episode of lost the

0:40:26very popular television show who on my

0:40:29ipod ipad nido with my papito then and

0:40:33the ipad needa yet no i don't know i

0:40:36don't have the timeline is very

0:40:37confusing to play your sick that was i I

0:40:39IX chap I yeah

0:40:44carrabelle up eggs the American

0:40:49Shorthair so so I got ready stucked is

0:40:56that in the car and I watched I tried to

0:40:59watch lost on this little teeny phone

0:41:02thing in a moving vehicle and I became

0:41:06very frustrated with up with every stage

0:41:10of the like what is this in

0:41:12comprehensible television show it's like

0:41:14I'm watching somebody play the video

0:41:16game missed who but on a thing that is

0:41:20like this the size of a large pack of

0:41:22candy cigarettes and this vehicle is

0:41:25moving through space and i'm building a

0:41:26little car second i was sick already

0:41:28with so that not an ideal introduction

0:41:31know it was a little bit like a

0:41:33clockwork orange introduction my

0:41:35eyeballs were pinned back i was taped to

0:41:37a chair

0:41:38Ludovico technique and I was like I

0:41:40don't want to watch this loss and I was

0:41:42grateful later when the when there was a

0:41:44cataclysmic sigh of disappointment

0:41:46throughout the culture i inhabit wearing

0:41:50hit or inhibit the closer you get it but

0:41:54it makes me which you choose to look at

0:41:57yourself

0:41:58that's right the culture in which i'm

0:41:59located that I choose to inhibit i said

0:42:02haha rules i didn't want your dumb show

0:42:06because I wait and I wait until the jury

0:42:09is in ya and now you all feel like

0:42:14you've been hoodwinked like you were

0:42:15gasps lighted by some people that didn't

0:42:19write the story in advance

0:42:20that's not a thing that I don't like to

0:42:25watch that thing where the story wasn't

0:42:26written in advance i listen to a

0:42:28wonderful thing this weekend which was a

0:42:311960 interview studs terkel interviewing

0:42:35Buster Keaton in 1962 my god which is

0:42:39pretty interesting to think about it

0:42:40anyways I'm but she was still kicking

0:42:42around at the time he's talking about

0:42:44like trying to release his films in

0:42:46Europe and but it was a of course that's

0:42:48terrible that's who I acted love that

0:42:50guy just love his whole deal and there's

0:42:53just lots of interesting little tidbits

0:42:55and little just really talking about

0:42:57anything about his movies or 40 years

0:42:59old at that point he was still kicking

0:43:01around but they were it was very

0:43:03interesting just talking about you know

0:43:04how you how you make those movies and

0:43:06what went into it one thing he said that

0:43:07was so remarkable was that in this

0:43:09gravelly voice for her from the secrets

0:43:12that would eventually kill him he's like

0:43:14yeah we really know what we would do

0:43:15this we would always we had to have a

0:43:17really a very good start and a fantastic

0:43:20ending and then we can fill in the

0:43:21middle easily but you gotta know how it

0:43:23starts

0:43:24and you've got to know how it ends and

0:43:25they never used the script which is if

0:43:27it is true is amazing because you think

0:43:29about you know today like they're a lot

0:43:31of people who use you know primarily Mad

0:43:32Max famously had storyboards rather than

0:43:34like a written script but like whatever

0:43:37ambitious idea when I put a different

0:43:38time and I I don't have been turning it

0:43:41over in my mind like wondering if I

0:43:43think that's entirely true

0:43:45I assume it is but also think about the

0:43:47implications of only really having a

0:43:50beginning and an end and then that how

0:43:52that governs what you do for the parts

0:43:53in the middle I are you familiar with

0:43:57the author Maria simple she wrote oh

0:44:01she's a blow friend of the guy who we've

0:44:05talked about she's a friend of the guy

0:44:07who talked about she's she's there isn't

0:44:09she the daughter of Lorenzo simple

0:44:11junior so we're remembering that's

0:44:13correct

0:44:13ok Maria Semple yes you talk to you

0:44:15talked up talk about her don't tell me

0:44:17about Maria Semple well Marie simple is

0:44:19a writer she has she has written a

0:44:22popular book where'd you go Bernadette

0:44:25which was a

0:44:28the best she was in the it was in the

0:44:30best sellers fear Bernadette and she

0:44:35just a friend she is married to George

0:44:37my er one of the peaches were just the

0:44:39simpsons yes yes yes and was a he was a

0:44:42writer he was that I guess head writer

0:44:44on the early david letterman show the

0:44:47david letterman show that we all do only

0:44:48love you when you weren't allowed to do

0:44:52anything normal we have guests and hope

0:44:56that they're know that we have anybody

0:44:59who's ever been on the Carson show nope

0:45:02you better you better send the reception

0:45:04is from a drug clinic to the bus station

0:45:07what are you there you there all the

0:45:11high be on TV free peanuts in the world

0:45:12are going to fix that would you like a

0:45:15hot i'm sorry i love that show anyways

0:45:21yeah so sure you duh

0:45:24funny funny kind please learn a dead

0:45:27what am I thinking of my singing that

0:45:29that's a who's that guy there the guy

0:45:31from George in the wheelchair passed

0:45:33away was that guy's name

0:45:35no the one guy plan huh Tony Orlando

0:45:39Tony Orlando let's save Tony Orlando

0:45:43thinking of thick chest alone just not

0:45:47hear the sonic lisburn dad giving away

0:45:50the chestnut were with did a long tour

0:45:52of europe with the chestnut I that was

0:45:54colorful it was extremely colorful and I

0:45:59loved and adored him but I felt like

0:46:01when he died he and i were estranged

0:46:04he's a pretty complicated guy wasn't

0:46:06yeah and there was a bet and then lived

0:46:09in a world of complicated people

0:46:11yeah i surrounded by complicated i saw

0:46:12him at some in noe valley from nineteen

0:46:15ninety thousand time to show there was

0:46:17pretty riveting

0:46:18yeah he's a he was great intense

0:46:20performer yeah people's freedom with

0:46:23lamb chop

0:46:24that's right and that was in Matt era

0:46:26that was in that that exact error that I

0:46:29toward within the lamb chop chop era el

0:46:32nido fact we all played a show together

0:46:35in

0:46:36Barcelona barthelona a small sample

0:46:41herpaderp oh maria semple gave just gave

0:46:45a talk where she was describing her

0:46:47writing process and it was that she

0:46:51imagine some characters and then she

0:46:55wanted and then she decided what was

0:46:57going to happen to them

0:46:58here's what she hears what she has she

0:47:00has the characters and then she knows

0:47:02what she wants to happen to them at the

0:47:05end she was she knows where they at

0:47:07where she wants them to end up and then

0:47:09the book writes itself and I I thought

0:47:13about that she was speaking and then I

0:47:14walked away with it I've been turning it

0:47:16over in my hands over sentence

0:47:17huh you said you know I've got these i

0:47:20got this character a a callow shrill

0:47:24woman and I want her to get her

0:47:27comeuppance and I want to come up and

0:47:29still look like this and so here we go

0:47:33and here's her journey on her way to her

0:47:36comeuppance

0:47:36I was like me that's a that's very

0:47:41different from like starting in the dark

0:47:44and feeling your way toward like 900

0:47:48pages of gibberish and then trying to

0:47:50filter that down into 10 song at how

0:47:53light the light give creating a fiction

0:47:57book a novel in any way is just seems

0:47:59like such a staggering idea to me and

0:48:01wonder how I wonder I wonder if that

0:48:03process works for more than one book

0:48:04she's describing it as as working now

0:48:09successfully for her through three books

0:48:12wow she that's that's she's got a good

0:48:14mind

0:48:15yeah you need a good mind to do

0:48:17something like that very smart and

0:48:19writing a novel i got i wish i could

0:48:23yeah i've never tried so I don't know if

0:48:27I could take you have to start with

0:48:28short fiction so short fiction I think I

0:48:32friends and Outsiders in Outsiders

0:48:33somebody who enjoys fiction from as an

0:48:36outsider point-of-view kind of seems

0:48:37like that's the it feels like in a

0:48:39really perhaps dumb way that's the

0:48:42training wheels for learning how to tell

0:48:43a story is to write something you know

0:48:4510 pages long before you write something

0:48:47300 pages

0:48:48well I I may have done this because it

0:48:53was very self-serving but a long time

0:48:55ago I said the novel is a is a high art

0:49:03but then the short story is a higher art

0:49:07because you have less room fewer words

0:49:13to tell the entire tail and then poems

0:49:19as commonly would say aren't even

0:49:24further and even higher art because you

0:49:26have now reduced it you have reduced the

0:49:30short story to or the rather you reduce

0:49:34the novel's worth of story two stanzas

0:49:39and then the highest ours is the pop

0:49:44song because now you've taken the poem

0:49:48and cleanse it of all of its impurity

0:49:52wash the filth out of it through and

0:49:56made only the gold only the little

0:50:00shining nuggets and that is why the pop

0:50:04song sits atop the pyramid of all

0:50:07writing as the true condensation now

0:50:13that may be that may be self-serving but

0:50:16i don't think so

0:50:17who I think I i think it I think that

0:50:20within the within the sphere that that I

0:50:24grow I grow the sphere were in it the

0:50:30one in which he located yourself

0:50:31that's right I be the sphere I i see the

0:50:35spear I be the sphere living rooms and

0:50:40within that groans here I i think i've

0:50:44reduced the I budget reduce the sum

0:50:47total of all human knowledge to a to a

0:50:50poster that could go on the wall of a

0:50:52dentist's office

0:50:53I don't think that sounds self-serving

0:50:53know my pitches photographs of furniture

0:50:57that is made on it on the walls of his

0:50:59place

0:51:01no it's much worse it's much more

0:51:02clockwork orange it's why I don't go

0:51:04there anymore

0:51:05he's very much you mean does he play his

0:51:07his sons band over the over the intercom

0:51:11it's kind of worse he's very gregarious

0:51:13nom everyone is it well yeah I mean I I

0:51:19I don't want to talk to the over guy

0:51:21definitely want to talk to my dentist is

0:51:22a very nice guy but there's a very very

0:51:24large screen in your face that is

0:51:26nominally they're so like a kid could

0:51:28watch dora or something but he has his

0:51:31screensaver for a TV screen it's a big

0:51:34big big TV screen that you have to look

0:51:36at because you can either like look look

0:51:37at him while he's in your mouth or you

0:51:38can look at this screen right right

0:51:41exactly Hobson's choice and so but up on

0:51:43the screen is a canny mix of furniture

0:51:46that he is built and cartoons about

0:51:49dentistry that he regards as funny I

0:51:51don't know

0:51:52yeah I can't see the Beethoven anymore

0:51:56I mean it's like kind of blue whoo-hoo

0:51:59oh my my my

0:52:07the Newport home companion yeah ha ha ha

0:52:11tinh know you haven't listened to the

0:52:17old prairie home companion except when i

0:52:18was over at friends houses in mind

0:52:20looking for aa really this is this is

0:52:23we're going with this you did you've

0:52:24never listened to prairie home companion

0:52:25not voluntarily okay Herman what's now

0:52:29hosted by that that that funny

0:52:31nice hilarious talented man who plays

0:52:33mandolin in the band that's not it's not

0:52:36Nickelback used to be a nickel creek

0:52:38that's right he's extremely talented and

0:52:40funny and has made the show fun uh a

0:52:43friend of the show John Hodgman was on

0:52:45this week's episode

0:52:45oh that's fun that is it is fun and

0:52:48they've had great they had lake street

0:52:49dive which is my favorite band i've

0:52:51discovered in 2016 they were on

0:52:53okay good but they're not they're not

0:52:55being too cute about it still got a lot

0:52:57of flavor of the old show you never

0:52:58listen to on purpose right

0:53:00all the kids are beautiful and all of

0:53:04the trucks run on time

0:53:06yep ethanol here at Lake Wobegon at

0:53:08least at least garrison keillor made the

0:53:10trucks run on time

0:53:11well so I am I would consider myself

0:53:14pretty darn good friends with sara

0:53:17watkins chance she's very talented home

0:53:20then she'll be on the old show you

0:53:21didn't listen to quite often she's no

0:53:23cindy cashdollar but she would be on

0:53:25fairly often

0:53:25yeah well she and her brother and the

0:53:28other otherwise it's now hosting it

0:53:29that's right in the other where they

0:53:30were Nickelback the three of them they

0:53:32were Nickelback and they are amazingly

0:53:34charming wonderful tear them cover

0:53:36pavement curl your hair

0:53:38yeah take the cover spit spit on a

0:53:41stranger and sublime they there's a lot

0:53:44of sublimity in one lady subliminally am

0:53:47and I thought when he got that show that

0:53:51if there was a chance for someone to

0:53:54come in and take over for garrison that

0:53:57this always like Hong Kong garrison

0:53:59garrison who he garrison himself in that

0:54:03in that a saint paul public radio

0:54:06building and I thought that there was a

0:54:10very good chance that that would be a

0:54:12success because of the because of the

0:54:14slept sublimity and the and the talent

0:54:17has good taste too and it sounds like

0:54:19it's happened also you can rip like

0:54:21everybody playing mandolin like he plays

0:54:23he plays the mandolin like a genie pages

0:54:25of guitar player is pull offs are crazy

0:54:27but being about the mandolin is that

0:54:29that as mandolin playing gets better and

0:54:32better

0:54:33it becomes clearer and clearer that the

0:54:36mandolin is the mandolin is just there

0:54:39to make it make no clouds

0:54:42mmm yeah Pat Allen who bad mandolin

0:54:47playing is like his mandolin playing

0:54:51that bad mandolin playing is is fairly a

0:54:54musical right because it's someone

0:54:56that's used to playing the guitar picks

0:54:58up the mandolin figures out for five

0:55:00chords and then it's just a really high

0:55:03little little guitar be loop loop like

0:55:06you know like the same setup

0:55:08yep oh no kidding so what do you mean is

0:55:11that the same setup no I don't like four

0:55:13ok but i do think that if you're if

0:55:16you're used to playing the guitar you

0:55:18can sit in a noodle on it and be like

0:55:19well I put my finger here it sounds like

0:55:21that but you know you you make chords

0:55:23you find chords I'm gonna learn about

0:55:25mandolin tunings but as you get better

0:55:27and better

0:55:28the mandolin and you get faster and

0:55:29faster and pull-offs get faster and

0:55:31faster it becomes just that you know

0:55:33that like it's every note all the time I

0:55:35bet it's hard i mean that the tension on

0:55:37the strings is pretty high but you don't

0:55:39get a lot of slack it's not like a Les

0:55:40Paul right it's not like it's not like a

0:55:43fretless wonder it's not like a black

0:55:45black les paul custom home but he the

0:55:49advantages that the notes are really

0:55:51close together and you don't have sure

0:55:53so you have time hands or something tiny

0:55:55hands you believe me

0:55:56Miss Elizabeth notices yeah looks like

0:55:58the opposite of a guitar upside down

0:56:00guitar so it's ji ji Dae GD I he used to

0:56:05throw shit all over the stage all I

0:56:07remember him he's going to cut himself

0:56:09GD yeah cut himself and then smear his

0:56:11poop in it

0:56:12yep something and we and that was art

0:56:14research magazine GG dae I know that

0:56:20seems ukulele John what's ukulele team

0:56:22up to ninja hang on a telephone

0:56:25telephone uq leili tuning I don't know

0:56:29how ukuleles tuned even though i play

0:56:31them all the time because I picked them

0:56:33up and I tune them to the to my best

0:56:36casts oh yeah so all all instruments

0:56:40that I that somebody that are left in my

0:56:43hands long enough for me to take

0:56:45ownership of the tuning who I end up

0:56:49tuning at least in the form of the high

0:56:51for strings of a guitar interesting and

0:56:55did you ask a person before you enter

0:56:57ukulele letter and ukulele right if

0:57:00someone hands me there ukulele and says

0:57:02here you go

0:57:03I do what I'm suggesting is what i would

0:57:05do on the mandolin I would never try to

0:57:07the mandolin but I just said and I yeah

0:57:10I just play notes until I find chords

0:57:13and then I'm like MJ mandolin seems like

0:57:15a circle of hell because you got doubles

0:57:16of everything it's like a 12-string but

0:57:18with the none of the 12 string guitar

0:57:20notes of it

0:57:21yeah a drink that's tuned some some

0:57:24other way and but that's what I mean

0:57:27when I say if someone leaves their

0:57:29ukulele with me long enough that i would

0:57:31take over possession of the tuning which

0:57:34is to say

0:57:35more than overnight somebody if you

0:57:38leave your ukulele with me overnight

0:57:39somebody let you ukulele right if

0:57:42somebody said like hey I left my ukulele

0:57:45at your house i'll be back in six months

0:57:48enjoy it yes i would take over the

0:57:52tuning of it sure would sit and look at

0:57:53this thing and just be like mm canada

0:57:57and so at that point i would tune it

0:58:01like a like a guitar and I and i'm not

0:58:03sure i would even know

0:58:05dge 2gb now so that's just like it's

0:58:10just like it's guitar i get out you know

0:58:12I've got a I've gotta a ukulele guitar

0:58:16that I like a lot to tell you about this

0:58:18ukulele guitar

0:58:19yeah so it's a it's a guitar that's like

0:58:22the size of a big ukulele and you just

0:58:24have it sitting around in the family

0:58:25room doesn't stay tuned

0:58:28not too bad it just uses classical

0:58:30guitar strings basically it really needs

0:58:31to change I've had a frog almost couple

0:58:33years now i love having around here's

0:58:35the ball thing I did

0:58:36normally you tune this thing the ease in

0:58:38a yeah i'm doing right I'm doing drop

0:58:41gee I took down add my friend gee sounds

0:58:44great

0:58:45totally exactly totally baller that is

0:58:49that does sound cool you pick one these

0:58:51up they're not very expensive and there

0:58:52would be ideal for someone like you can

0:58:55leave a key backer he held the

0:58:57backpacker if you're a lock and welder

0:58:59anything like that

0:59:01walking welder we also got something our

0:59:03house the other day that that's a lot

0:59:04like what your what your meat sticks

0:59:06called was called jagermeister no

0:59:09seniors lon Yolanda yauger they are we

0:59:13are we have a new salami product in our

0:59:15house it's like it's basically about the

0:59:17circumference of the key tip but it's

0:59:19made out of salami and it's a delicious

0:59:21three did you snap into a slim jim you

0:59:23don't happen to you get from trader

0:59:25joe's uh mhm mhm

0:59:29anyway it was somebody write somebody a

0:59:31good a good friend of mine a good friend

0:59:34of this program that you might not know

0:59:36okay gave me very generously gave me a

0:59:40basket of laundry eggers boy

0:59:44and said you know we drove all the way

0:59:46across town in our town different from

0:59:49my town and bought these land jaegers

0:59:51and we love you to have them

0:59:52that's so nice it was incredibly nice

0:59:54really i think this is the problem i did

0:59:57not prefer em there

0:59:57not prefer em there

1:00:00and Yeager's to my own land oh there

1:00:02because Langer's you know they can go a

1:00:04lot of different directions

1:00:05absolutely and so I figured like say

1:00:08anything about that really what you're

1:00:09saying is like there's a form factor

1:00:11here we want this thing that's like

1:00:12super comfortable like a husky pencil

1:00:14yeah nobody's gonna make it out of I bet

1:00:17there's a lot of options there a lot of

1:00:19options and how are you going to grind

1:00:21up this stuff that you're going to put

1:00:22in it

1:00:23our season casing seasoning casing m.i.a

1:00:27and so I figured you know these were

1:00:31originally meant to be carried around in

1:00:33the pocket of a farmer for however long

1:00:36for azzaro at in the pocket of a

1:00:39goatherd or somebody somebody that goes

1:00:41up into the mountains and then comes

1:00:43down some indeterminate time later huh

1:00:46and so I put them in my pocket and

1:00:47walked around figured they needed a

1:00:49little bit of pocket curing Tokyo sure

1:00:51and it didn't improve them and so they

1:00:55said in my refrigerator a while and I

1:00:57said maybe what they need to be is they

1:00:59need to be desiccated because these

1:01:01things are are better when they're

1:01:03desiccated but no that didn't help them

1:01:07either

1:01:08and then I would be like that the easy

1:01:09sticking a bag with like some silica

1:01:10packets

1:01:12well i think if you leave a thing in the

1:01:14refrigerator long enough it will self

1:01:17discipline and self test case yeah so

1:01:19that didn't prove them and at the whole

1:01:21time I was covered in a little bit of

1:01:23shame because i like that i like the

1:01:25people that gave me the land jaegers and

1:01:28I and I did consider the supreme act of

1:01:31generosity but i just could not stomach

1:01:33these Landers and eventually they went

1:01:34down the river

1:01:36mmm yeah which was you know terrible i

1:01:39just want their land Yeager for the

1:01:41first time it's bigger than I thought it

1:01:42would be it's not a slim jim it really

1:01:44old like it's like a small-ish like

1:01:46legitimate sausage

1:01:47yeah it's a it well and the more that

1:01:51the the more that the moisture goes out

1:01:53of it the more it becomes it's like if

1:01:56you're let's see it's bigger than your

1:01:59finger

1:02:00yeah it's bigger than its like if you

1:02:03took a candle your typical candle em you

1:02:07burned it for an hour and then you a

1:02:13it around in your pocket okay for a

1:02:15couple of weeks and I mean like it's on

1:02:18stage and pocket candle its that's right

1:02:20it's a candle that has had wax dripped

1:02:22down the side of it from having burned

1:02:24for an hour and then you took it out and

1:02:25carried around your pocket for let's say

1:02:27the length of time it took you to get

1:02:29these goats over the mountain but it

1:02:30matches the performance characteristics

1:02:31you look for in this kind of thing it's

1:02:34not like you're going to carry around

1:02:35like what like poached eggs or porridge

1:02:37in your pocket and you need something

1:02:38portable something's gonna be Hardy that

1:02:40idiotic let's be honest if you fall off

1:02:42the tractor it's not gonna ruin your

1:02:43lunch

1:02:44well sure a it's it's like if you could

1:02:49carry a pickle in your pocket I'd love

1:02:51that a little pickle

1:02:52yeah you can't carry a pickle in your

1:02:54pocket it's going to get your that the

1:02:56the brine is going to give you a rash

1:02:59oh that's a shame but al and Yeager's

1:03:01not going to give you a rash who and

1:03:03it's um yeah I carry them around the

1:03:06thing about beef jerky is beef jerky

1:03:08gets its hard to eat get stuck in your

1:03:12teeth

1:03:12yeah it isn't it is this a little more

1:03:14moist to desiccate it as it is a little

1:03:16more moist and jerky

1:03:18absolutely it snaps my guests like a

1:03:21slim jim

1:03:22there's more to it it doesn't involve

1:03:25any kind of pro-wrestling element

1:03:27yeah I understand when you bite into it

1:03:29you imagine I mean like if this was a

1:03:33television commercial and I've never

1:03:35seen a commercial for land taker but if

1:03:37this was a television commercial

1:03:39I'd be like a guy just a normal guy

1:03:41walking around his normal guy clothes

1:03:43and then I'd snap into a land jager

1:03:46instantly i will be wearing lederhosen

1:03:48what you want italian hat and I Rowland

1:03:51had and I would go world and the the

1:03:54commercial the tagline would be land

1:03:57eager turns you into a tyro lien em they

1:04:00can I workshop that little more hit land

1:04:03jager welcome to garmisch-partenkirchen

1:04:05mm and that well yeah okay so that's not

1:04:10a great i'm looking at him right now and

1:04:11they they look they look really to some

1:04:13you've never had you never have I don't

1:04:15know if I have I have I forgot it

1:04:18you have to go find the Bavarian butcher

1:04:21shop either like the Bavarian quarter of

1:04:23the sphere go to the Bavarian quarter

1:04:26well yeah san Francisco's famous

1:04:27Bavarian court who which is right over

1:04:30there by italian town and yeah you walk

1:04:34the streets and you you

1:04:37yo for landecker that's the phrase you

1:04:40know for Yeager y'all for a jager didn't

1:04:44want to tell you addicted

1:04:46yeah oh he's more local la you get he go

1:04:53la de cola i think that the the process

1:04:58of making and jager kills ecoline I'm

1:05:00gonna just come right out and say

1:05:02whatever you you want my friends food

1:05:03podcast right direction that is not

1:05:06gonna he may agree or disagree

1:05:08uh-huh you make that he's got a lot of

1:05:10thoughts he doesn't get the consensus on

1:05:12that podcast seem to be everything you

1:05:15put in your mouth there is an element of

1:05:17risk and all we can do as eaters is to

1:05:22measure the risk and bite into those

1:05:26things where we've determined that the

1:05:27risk is manageable life would be so much

1:05:32better if we acknowledge that that's the

1:05:33way everything is yeah i think that

1:05:36there is not an inherent risk in things

1:05:38that causes problems everything is risky

1:05:41everything is risky just haven't

1:05:42quantified yet yeah that's why anxious

1:05:44people are technically right

1:05:47hello um and so capacity Podsednik be

1:05:54technically right about time how I

1:05:55you're technically right little the

1:05:58capacity to live in the world is

1:06:00determined by your ability to or we're

1:06:03on the sliding scale of risk management

1:06:05you're gonna you're gonna put the marker

1:06:08where you say this is the amount of risk

1:06:12I'm willing to take em and my risk

1:06:15marker is way out

1:06:17I think relative to others I'm going to

1:06:19take a lot of risk not knowing that

1:06:24knowing that everything could everything

1:06:26can potentially kill you

1:06:27I mean I have a basket full of swords in

1:06:29this house yeah which is not when you

1:06:32know when my child was born and there

1:06:34was all that all that talk in the

1:06:36culture of the people who were around me

1:06:39at the time who were helping me make

1:06:42manage the transition between not having

1:06:44a child in my house and having a child

1:06:46in my house I think they would if they

1:06:48had known about the basket of swords

1:06:49they would have said you need to get

1:06:51that out of here called baby-proofing

1:06:52yeah baby proofing your house they put

1:06:54they were telling me I should put things

1:06:56in the electrical outlets right now

1:06:57should take all the cleaning supplies

1:06:59out from under the sink and all the

1:07:01things we supposed to do they don't even

1:07:03do that they don't even didn't know

1:07:05about the basket swords I didn't really

1:07:08baby proof my house I house proof my

1:07:10baby that's a smart but what I did do

1:07:13was I took all of the vintage a

1:07:16barristers both cases out of what became

1:07:19the baby's room because that the glass

1:07:23in the front of those cases is fairly

1:07:25thin

1:07:25oh yeah me and it's not exactly like

1:07:27shatterproof and I said maybe I should

1:07:30transform this library that is now the

1:07:33baby's room into an actual baby's room

1:07:35and take all the things that could kill

1:07:36her out of here and i moved all of my

1:07:39vintage poisons to higher shelves in to

1:07:42outsmart the SMART we just I think as

1:07:44far as i know i've removed as of this

1:07:46weekend i remove the last piece of

1:07:50baby-proofing we unintentionally kept

1:07:52around it's all going to what we will be

1:07:55doing for years so it starts out with

1:07:56the first thing you got to get rid of is

1:07:58that bullshit that makes it hard to open

1:07:59things so write it like the things that

1:08:02keep your poison drawer like I know you

1:08:03don't have this with your vintage

1:08:04poisons but a lot of times you put some

1:08:05kind of a clasp on there we got to know

1:08:07the secret knock to get into where the

1:08:09windex is and and you take those

1:08:12officers you can cause that's the worst

1:08:13because you're living with that every

1:08:14day and then eventually like the

1:08:16doorknob things that won't let you lock

1:08:17a door and that's the kind of stuff you

1:08:19get those off but I finally took off the

1:08:21last one it was a safety because it

1:08:23didn't matter that it was an inert form

1:08:25of baby-proofing that we didn't need to

1:08:27worry about

1:08:28it's one of those things where you put

1:08:29it over a lights ah look at little to

1:08:32pick knows light outlet power outlet and

1:08:35allows you to snap a cover onto it so

1:08:36you can still have stuff

1:08:38yeah so I remove that so we could put

1:08:40the the cat the cat relaxing diffuser

1:08:42into their without bumping up against

1:08:43the edges of the plastic you have a you

1:08:45have some kind of electric device that

1:08:47diffuses your cat with two electric

1:08:49devices in our house

1:08:50that uh that dispensed through the

1:08:54diffusion method defuse a chemical into

1:08:56the air that relaxes the cat haha I

1:09:03couldn't do that when is baby-proofed so

1:09:05it's like a febreze for cats

1:09:08mhm it's a febreze for cats emotions

1:09:11abroad for cata motion for brees does it

1:09:14does it counteract the triska dekha

1:09:18plasmosis

1:09:19oh right thing we don't eat the poop

1:09:21because they don't let ya have trusted

1:09:23your cat lover

1:09:24yeah yeah I don't know I I can't tell

1:09:27this is again this is one of those you

1:09:28know one of those things where you can

1:09:31it's hard to tell if it works you know

1:09:32whether the guy says they were guess

1:09:33what he doing he says I'm here scare

1:09:35away the alligators and mrs. there's no

1:09:37alligators here is to see it's working

1:09:38its work so we got two of these and we

1:09:40within a week we noticed the cats seem

1:09:42calmer so it's difficult we don't have a

1:09:44control cat once again we're back to

1:09:45that old problem there's no control

1:09:46group does your cap suffering from

1:09:48anxiety sure she does she's very

1:09:50skittish I see and I think she does it

1:09:52on purpose to provoke me she's been

1:09:55living with us since februari and she

1:09:56knows that we walk through the house

1:09:58yeah we walked through the house on a

1:09:59regular basis and so he's just got that

1:10:01that stands in the hallway and she

1:10:03stares she stares into something in a

1:10:05state of readiness she at first she just

1:10:08kinda looks like some kind of hairy cake

1:10:09and she just sits there and then she

1:10:11looks at me and her face is like

1:10:12what-what and I walk a little bit and

1:10:14she was into a ready position and then

1:10:16she starts walking in the direction that

1:10:18she knows that I am walking one step in

1:10:21front of me she stops acts terrified

1:10:24jumps a little bit to where she knows

1:10:26I'm gonna walk more than does kind of a

1:10:28180 and starts running in abject fear

1:10:31and does this keep your because it

1:10:35doesn't impede establishing a gentle

1:10:38pace for you are you are you saying oh

1:10:41you're trying not to step on her you're

1:10:43trying your like I'm also kind of

1:10:45startled now just one thing you know

1:10:47about me John you notice that I like

1:10:48velocity this it's important to me to

1:10:51get in motion

1:10:52you can't stay in motion until you get

1:10:54in motion right this is not addressed

1:10:57because a trap it's very hard to get out

1:10:59of the house on a weekend morning

1:11:01because I

1:11:02velocity in the form of my child she

1:11:05will not allow me to have any velocity

1:11:06until at least 12 30 so it's like you

1:11:10know you gotta get the shoes we gotta do

1:11:11the thing we got to go do that thing

1:11:14that you're cranking up an old air raid

1:11:16siren like and the cat she knows what

1:11:20she's doing she knows which and then and

1:11:22then at night as she comes into powder

1:11:24for two hours so that's we have a very

1:11:27good relationship but but now I think

1:11:29she's just I think she's just frightened

1:11:31ham to be honest

1:11:32yeah you don't mean I think I think she

1:11:34knows what she's doing at some point in

1:11:36the nineteen eighties my mom was in the

1:11:381960s my mom raised board boys and a and

1:11:44considers herself that my mom is a

1:11:46frequent character on this podcast she

1:11:48considered herself to your grant or

1:11:51something is there we should get maybe

1:11:52like some kind of macarthur thing

1:11:54yeah pell grant or a parent talk for a

1:11:56witness

1:11:57um huh

1:12:00she raised boys and I and I think maybe

1:12:03not in accurately credits herself partly

1:12:07with reestablishing the borzoi as a as a

1:12:10viable breed in the Americas

1:12:13wow just the boys were were fairly

1:12:16endangered because at during the Russian

1:12:19Revolution the the Russian peoples the

1:12:23revolutionary Russian peoples killed the

1:12:25board boys all mass because they were

1:12:27the dogs of these ours all those is he

1:12:30had killed a symbol

1:12:31yeah kill the simple kill the dogs of

1:12:33the Czar's and so the the borzoi only

1:12:35survived in the population of boys that

1:12:38had been given to other Kings as gifts

1:12:41but czars and so my mom raised boys and

1:12:46sold borzoi pups to the people who are

1:12:49now credited with having re-establish

1:12:52the breeds for the breed so she so she

1:12:55reads the history of the borzoi in

1:12:57America as you do

1:12:59who and it sort of goes back to the

1:13:03Johnson family and the percocet family

1:13:06or whatever sure that then percocet the

1:13:08percocet boys

1:13:09yeah then the New England percocets okay

1:13:11uh and it's the Walla Walla Walla

1:13:15mhm and she says you know what I sold

1:13:17three puppies to the to the New England

1:13:19percocets and that's that's where they

1:13:21got their dogs right so another coming

1:13:25back to the well that's right the

1:13:27percocets are coming up dry and they

1:13:29have to go outside New England to find a

1:13:31borzoi now and they're going to call

1:13:33oh no I think that it was the i think

1:13:35it's it's even earlier than that I think

1:13:36they were sitting up there in New

1:13:37England and they were reading a magazine

1:13:39and they said oh we want boys

1:13:41I and my mom had the had one of the few

1:13:44populations I ok I get it

1:13:46this is in the sixties so she connects

1:13:49with all the credit but they weren't

1:13:50really on the boys I'm a flower like

1:13:53your mom was that's right that's right

1:13:54she's the she's the herbivores like uh

1:13:57huh and she got rid of her boys in the

1:14:02late sixties when manouschka her chief

1:14:06her chief mayor a bit me like 40 times

1:14:14in the face right face of one-and-a-half

1:14:16side block that out but now i remember

1:14:17that's horrible

1:14:19so we didn't have boards for a long time

1:14:21but then in the nineteen eighties when I

1:14:23was in high school mom decided that she

1:14:25wanted a borzoi again and so she bought

1:14:27this board is only puppy tell us be

1:14:29honest she wasn't that worried about you

1:14:30anymore

1:14:31at that point if a borzoi bit me on the

1:14:33face it was probably my fault he

1:14:35probably had it coming

1:14:36that's right i wasn't i if you're

1:14:38antagonizing the borzoi that's right the

1:14:40two don't antagonize the board's away

1:14:42and I wasn't antagonizing the board but

1:14:46she bought a borzoi puppy and if you

1:14:48know anything about boys even as a even

1:14:51as a puppy a boy's about the size of a

1:14:54comfort horse and so here you'd have you

1:15:02have a comfortable with that in the form

1:15:04of a dog either covered horses and

1:15:06you're not aware that twice I've seen

1:15:08guys saw the comfort duck the other day

1:15:10I see pigs sure we remember all too well

1:15:14because I didn't want to be able to take

1:15:15a horse on a plane seems like that

1:15:17stick-up

1:15:18I just want you right now to google

1:15:20comfort horse ok because they're small

1:15:22horses like lil Sebastian ok come house

1:15:25but it's still a horse so I don't you

1:15:28can make a horse as small as maybe you

1:15:31would want if you had a comfort animal I

1:15:34mean it but apparently people who want

1:15:37comfort animals who need comfort animals

1:15:39find the comfort horse to be very

1:15:41comforting

1:15:43I can i no know this and I I i get that

1:15:46like if you have you happen to have

1:15:47stables and require comfort horse seems

1:15:50like a great fit to me well but a

1:15:51comfort horse doesn't need a stable

1:15:52comfort worse i think can curl up on in

1:15:55a basket oh my goodness but it's got to

1:15:57be a big basket

1:15:58ok mm and so the borzoi puppy was the

1:16:03size of a comfort horse but it was a dog

1:16:04and it had it was it suffered from an

1:16:10anxiety disorder that meant that anytime

1:16:14it saw you it immediately ran in every

1:16:17direction simultaneous on now because

1:16:19the depositor you know going each each

1:16:22Paul going a different direction because

1:16:24it's a it's an enormous wolf hunting dog

1:16:26that's living in a home on my gosh

1:16:29and then it would hide under bet

1:16:31couldn't fit under the couch it would

1:16:32have tried to hide under the couch of it

1:16:34could because it thought it was the size

1:16:35of a rabbit all the poor thing

1:16:37it was terrible and so I was living in

1:16:40the house with a with a comfort horse

1:16:43sized dog that wanted nothing at all to

1:16:47do with me it never allowed me to touch

1:16:49it and I was a I was a rambunctious teen

1:16:52that was myself the size of a comfort

1:16:55horse i was even bigger than comfort

1:16:57oars tell me hands

1:16:58I'm unit 210 hands hi I'm Stan hands

1:17:02uh-huh and and you know I behaved i was

1:17:05i was the size of a comfort horse but I

1:17:07behaved like an African cat and I but

1:17:13but even so a product you look a little

1:17:17bit of a of a leaping predator i'm going

1:17:20to be an African Cats see that's just

1:17:21how your bread you just go straight up

1:17:24in the air huh

1:17:25and you can catch you could catch a

1:17:27comfort duck that was those in the

1:17:29process of taking off we can probably

1:17:31get a lot of small comfort animals

1:17:32I mean there's like a 50 seconds are

1:17:35things you get probably comfort rat or

1:17:37it but if you were if you had enough

1:17:40African Cats you could take down with

1:17:41the Beast moon and i'm not talking about

1:17:44a comfort will or something i'm talking

1:17:47about a roar and Mellie's more

1:17:53comforting than a small wildebeest

1:17:55especially with has a big basket Wilbur

1:18:00beast in a basket i know i've had the

1:18:05name it feels the same law so soon was

1:18:10very I felt anxious and I hardly ever

1:18:13feel like this sounds like quite a bit

1:18:15toxic else to for everyone involved

1:18:17well sure because I when your mom your

1:18:19mom's got it she's got arbitrate right

1:18:20well she's your favorite the borzoi she

1:18:25was able to communicate with the board

1:18:27because the board's I borzoi bonded with

1:18:29her as some sort of parental or at least

1:18:32you know the the borzoi perceived my mom

1:18:34as the feeder they did a car lauren said

1:18:36the boy imprinted on your mom imprinted

1:18:39on them all

1:18:39that's right my mom would ring a bell

1:18:41and the boards i would get the wood

1:18:43would stand on the stool to get the

1:18:45banana who

1:18:47so but I can I was the first one home

1:18:50every day right I got off of school and

1:18:53I could transport myself and my sister

1:18:55would just go hang out under the statue

1:18:57of Captain Cook and smoke clove

1:18:59cigarettes but I went home because I

1:19:03wanted to take a nap on the on the sun

1:19:05room couch and so I would walk in and

1:19:08who knows what the board was doing all

1:19:09day but then there would be this like

1:19:11clattering hooves as it ran to find

1:19:15shelter somewhere you know where it

1:19:18couldn't be somewhere I guess it thought

1:19:20that it was it was a pray for Eagles

1:19:23because it would hide under things and

1:19:26my icing animals that hide under things

1:19:28are scared of eagles all that demux

1:19:32sense right if you were hiding from a

1:19:34cat you wouldn't hide under a bed you

1:19:36want to go Wiegel Eagles won't dare

1:19:38that's right now button so you go under

1:19:41for eagles / for cats smart or what

1:19:45about behind that's like you're being

1:19:47attacked by a deer or Wilbur fees are

1:19:49will feast

1:19:50ok if you about your if Wilbur pieces in

1:19:52your house is that comfortable for

1:19:54East no i'm talking about the standard a

1:19:56standard or okay you don't need to hide

1:19:59from a comfort will feast but if you're

1:20:02looking i think in order to in order to

1:20:04hide from will be simple and bulls and

1:20:07boars huh that's behind the couch

1:20:11alright because i don't know about their

1:20:13eyes is making about making a lot a lot

1:20:14of sense to me

1:20:15yeah right up for cats down for Eagles

1:20:18behind four boards and and and and will

1:20:21blow her face and you just want to nap

1:20:22i'm just trying to get on the sunroom

1:20:25count yeah 10 and and you think the dog

1:20:28was intimidated by the thought you were

1:20:30an eagle

1:20:30no I just think the dog and the dog had

1:20:33an anxiety disorder and eventually after

1:20:35you know after nine months which in the

1:20:38life of a teenager is a long time no God

1:20:40and this thing got bigger and bigger

1:20:42until it was the size of a comfort piano

1:20:44get a comfort animal for your animal

1:20:48because i know i saw a really sweet

1:20:50picture of a dog that has its own

1:20:52seeing-eye dog

1:20:53I mean I as is a comfort all the way

1:20:55down it can you can you keep providing

1:20:57layers of comfort by adding adding new

1:20:59animals to the situation to have to be

1:21:01animals do they have to live together

1:21:02could just be like a correspondence but

1:21:04is there some way that that you could

1:21:05bring in maybe an ironic animal maybe

1:21:08you could bring in a really nice eagle

1:21:09and it would really look first at first

1:21:11to be really scared but then pretty soon

1:21:13as pet Neagle you've seen the you've

1:21:16seen the videos of the cat and the foul

1:21:18the guy who has the only pussy cat

1:21:22yeah that's right he has a pet owl and a

1:21:24pet cat and they play with each other

1:21:26the owl will swoop down huh this is a

1:21:29this is a swoop and now this isn't like

1:21:31a house out my it's not comfortable

1:21:33well is it ties into your cat and

1:21:36possible situation where you go hey you

1:21:38know turns out it seems like these these

1:21:40guys are going out for each other but

1:21:41they're sitting around playing connector

1:21:42in their underpants sure because they

1:21:44understand that's right there in the

1:21:45there there in the book a return of

1:21:48animal mentality that's right so that

1:21:51the owl swoops down and the cat leaps up

1:21:54because they're leapers who jumps up in

1:21:56the air to like bat at the owl and the

1:21:59AL keeps going back and forth on purpose

1:22:02so the cat can leap at it and they both

1:22:06are having a merry old time

1:22:08and then they retire together to sit and

1:22:11groom one another all that is so sweet i

1:22:14would love to see that

1:22:15well I think it's on the internet okay

1:22:16and you've seen the big dogs with the

1:22:18little kittens Leslie this is my entire

1:22:20day my entire day and now that my spirit

1:22:22has been broken by this election cycle

1:22:24all i do is look at cute animals on the

1:22:25internet it's a pretty much all my

1:22:27family looks at now and then tells you

1:22:29how many cute animals on the Internet

1:22:31oh my god saying there are a lot of cute

1:22:32animals we did that to ourselves color i

1:22:35know i know you need that we need it we

1:22:36need we need our own comfort animals

1:22:38yeah well that's exactly right where's

1:22:40my deck we took a angry hunters who and

1:22:44wee-wee natural natural selected them

1:22:47who we evolution evolution eyes because

1:22:50the hand of the the unseen hand of

1:22:52evolution that we've located in this

1:22:54particular sphere that we found

1:22:56that's right now my hand and we took the

1:22:59we took the beasts and we turn and we

1:23:01turn them into into big-eyed doze and

1:23:06and moo cows that give us milk and so

1:23:10now we have an owl and pussycat

1:23:13it's only a matter of time before they

1:23:15figure out a way to mate and how you get

1:23:18what you gonna do when you see one of

1:23:19those in your barn I couldn't contain

1:23:21what what what would you say is the

1:23:23difference between you play D&D what you

1:23:25see is the difference between a familiar

1:23:27and a comfort animal do is Magic

1:23:29required

1:23:30i I really really really want to the

1:23:36familiar i could see that well in any in

1:23:38the course of trying to make an orb it

1:23:40seems like maybe having a cat that you

1:23:42can talk to might be useful

1:23:44I feel like a familiar is somewhat under

1:23:46your either under your direction or at

1:23:51least you're able to consult with it

1:23:53ok I'm looking over here so if you had a

1:23:55capuchin monkey that could put your food

1:23:57in a microwave oven and spend cook it

1:24:00okay that's that's getting pretty close

1:24:03too familiar like I said today we might

1:24:05call that a helper monkey helper monkey

1:24:07is I feel like getting into the familiar

1:24:10zone

1:24:11ok if you're just feeding and petting

1:24:13the thing that's more of a blow fieldcat

1:24:16ok so we've identified you have an

1:24:18animal in the wild might like a will

1:24:21feast

1:24:21you've got you get animals in the wild

1:24:23you got animals that have been

1:24:24domesticated for work you have animals

1:24:27that are domesticated for pet things

1:24:29you've got animals that can be at from

1:24:32one of those things i guess you pivot

1:24:34and you convert them to I guess what

1:24:36comfort animal

1:24:37yeah but then you also have helper once

1:24:39now would it be ethical to have two

1:24:43horses in your house one of which is a

1:24:45helper horse and one of which is a

1:24:47familiar and just for fun throwing a

1:24:49third what if you get a third one is

1:24:50even cuter that's a pet

1:24:52ok when they get along should they get

1:24:54along do they sleep in different baskets

1:24:56I don't feel like a comfort animal is

1:24:59much aid to you other than being

1:25:01friendly

1:25:03although and asking to make you eggs I

1:25:06wouldn't i wouldn't say like comfort

1:25:08animal can you get up on that high shelf

1:25:10and bring me down that chachki ok bring

1:25:12me down the jar of sugar

1:25:14bring me that sword bring me the sword

1:25:15from the sword basket comfort beast I

1:25:19would not ask that

1:25:20and yet even the niceness I think is a

1:25:26is called into question by the presence

1:25:28of a comfort turkey because i do not

1:25:30believe that turkey can be nice

1:25:32turkeys are pretty mean-spirited they're

1:25:34mean and i don't think that a turkey has

1:25:36the capacity to be nice

1:25:38whatever part of the brain locates the

1:25:41niceness whatever lies they are located

1:25:44yeah within the spirit of the brain of

1:25:45an animal the truck is missing that part

1:25:47of the brain

1:25:48okay so apparently a confidence is

1:25:50nothing and non-existence fear part that

1:25:52we would think of as being like in

1:25:54necessarily familiar could still be a

1:25:56familiar it would not it could be a pet

1:25:58faked it but it's not going to be

1:26:00comforting and certainly will make you

1:26:01eggs i think the comfort animal is a

1:26:03vessel into which you prove that you

1:26:06project your desire for comfort you your

1:26:10desire to be comforted when the animal

1:26:13reflects your desire to be comfortable

1:26:15for comforted back to use a cipher so

1:26:18it's right here you're looking at the

1:26:19turkey and if you see if you seek

1:26:21comfort in the turkey it is prima facie

1:26:23CAA comfort turkey for seasonal whatever

1:26:27you find comforting is comfortable

1:26:30proceed

1:26:31small you could have a comfort waste

1:26:33basket right if you bought up if you

1:26:36bought an extra ticket for a seat on an

1:26:38airplane for a wastebasket

1:26:40okay wait we were events it could

1:26:43fulfill that role

1:26:45mhm what is the largest comfort animal

1:26:48you would personally feel comfortable

1:26:50how do I put this what's the largest

1:26:52comfort animal you would be willing to

1:26:54take on a plane I assuming let's assume

1:26:57that you know what let's get let's

1:26:59assume economy plus right

1:27:02is that fair yeah uh what about a

1:27:04comfort Sal now salads a big male hog me

1:27:09right i think it sounds a big female

1:27:11it's a big ladyhawke lady hog here's the

1:27:14question at something I don't know about

1:27:16hogs can hog sit in a chair with these

1:27:20slips it if you put hog on its butt and

1:27:24melt it in a hall would sit comfortably

1:27:27candidates architecture support itself

1:27:29sitting on it has little holes in his

1:27:31lap yeah writer or maybe the way that

1:27:35they're built the homes would just be

1:27:36sticking straight out maybe you'd have

1:27:38to put the tray down it can put the

1:27:40hub's top top hooves on the tray right

1:27:42right and then it's like you pull the

1:27:44curly tail under ok little tip of the

1:27:47curly tail sticking out probably in

1:27:49orthopedics eat that can accommodate a

1:27:50curly tail but what happens what if what

1:27:53happens when one more of us exercise our

1:27:55right to put a vest on animal and bring

1:27:56it on a plane

1:27:57what happens when we get into something

1:27:59a little more as John syracuse it's a

1:28:01Darwinian like what happens if one

1:28:04person has a comfort eagle and the other

1:28:06person has a comfort boards away or a

1:28:08comfort rabbit comfort comfort rep like

1:28:11what if you got what you got an allen

1:28:12the rabbit and a rabbit in the two aisle

1:28:14seats across from each other

1:28:16cool do we do we expect that they're

1:28:19just gonna leave each other alone

1:28:20because they got the best and they know

1:28:21what the deal is

1:28:22mmm

1:28:22mmm has lost a lot to ask john are you

1:28:25introducing a problem right and fouls

1:28:27not going to be friends with a rabbit

1:28:28let's just stipulate that and of course

1:28:31you're going to give your comfort animal

1:28:32the aisle seat

1:28:34I think center if it's a helper animal

1:28:36you wanted in the island probably a

1:28:37little introverted you probably like to

1:28:38have the window so yeah right whatever

1:28:42you have comfort animals John sure he

1:28:46was happy and my must happen

1:28:48statistically and i think almost

1:28:50everyone has a comfort animal so i would

1:28:52have to imagine we've now gotten to that

1:28:54point like homosexuality and veganism

1:28:56where it's crossing broad spectrum of

1:28:58the sphere removing way beyond this

1:29:00quarter that quarter this Venn diagram

1:29:02now more and more people are going to

1:29:04find comfort in animal and let's be

1:29:06honest it's good for the airline

1:29:07industry lot of times they can't fill

1:29:08those seats

1:29:09that's right you might find they're

1:29:10gonna charge you full price if you bring

1:29:12a salad on an airplane they're gonna

1:29:13charge you full price

1:29:14absolutely and I think if you want to

1:29:16check a bag maybe 75 bucks

1:29:18my sense is that there are comfort their

1:29:21actual comfort animals that are actually

1:29:22providing needed comfort to people who

1:29:25need comforting and then there are fake

1:29:28comfort animals that are the comfort

1:29:31animals that you are kind of reply or

1:29:33referring I want you to get all the

1:29:35email for this but it's my understanding

1:29:37that this has actually become a problem

1:29:39when i'm not saying any of this is right

1:29:42wrong or whatever I honestly don't want

1:29:43to get involved but it's my

1:29:44understanding that a lot of people are

1:29:45making vests at home because they want

1:29:48the pen on the plane

1:29:49yes right i mean it's like so we talked

1:29:52about this i think even last week the

1:29:54testing of your child to see if they are

1:29:56gifted who do we talked about this last

1:30:00week we talked about previously the

1:30:01efforts that should be in some program

1:30:03with an acronym right that's right if

1:30:05your if your child needs to be in a

1:30:06program with an acronym and they get

1:30:09tested to see if they qualify and so

1:30:13they sent us an email saying a do you

1:30:15want to have your child tested and we

1:30:17said yes and then they immediately wrote

1:30:21back and said you're testing is sunday

1:30:23morning at 7am October row 28 and we or

1:30:28whatever and yeah I follow that and we

1:30:30said what when we said yeah I guess so

1:30:34we didn't know that

1:30:35and that we were supposed to report

1:30:37somewhere for an sa80 test for a

1:30:38five-year-old little presumptuous and

1:30:41right and what kind of I mean they can't

1:30:43right you're not going to give them a

1:30:44thing that says pick the pic which wich

1:30:48example doesn't fit with the others

1:30:49this is how they picked the Dalai Lama

1:30:51they might take him out too like I like

1:30:52a picnic put some things on a blanket

1:30:54you know if you pick up the ride altoids

1:30:57you know you grab the right set of you

1:30:59know USB headphones that that's how do I

1:31:01know that you're the next gifted child

1:31:03yeah then so then a monk throws some

1:31:05confetti in the air and they're like its

1:31:07you write the white smoke comes out of

1:31:09the mark

1:31:10mhm but in this case we we were startled

1:31:13by this and we talked to some other

1:31:15parents well it's so here's the

1:31:17anecdotes up we talked to two different

1:31:20people who said we had our child tested

1:31:24and they didn't get into the gifted

1:31:26program so we hired an independent

1:31:29tester and in the Seattle School

1:31:32District I guess you have to have your

1:31:34child tested by the city first but if

1:31:38your child doesn't pass the city test

1:31:40you are able to hire a private tester to

1:31:44verify the city's findings and in both

1:31:47cases

1:31:48wow the parents whose child did not get

1:31:52into the gifted program when they were

1:31:53tested at five years old to see if they

1:31:55were gifted then hired an independent

1:31:57tester and guess what i'm going to guess

1:31:59that that child turned out to be gifted

1:32:01that's exactly right the independent for

1:32:03higher tester determined that the city

1:32:05was mistaken and their child was in fact

1:32:08gifted to get a vest at that point on I

1:32:09think they do get they get what they get

1:32:12to get a Robin Hood hat

1:32:13oh that's doesn't that's a nice hat yeah

1:32:15the show some way to distinguish the man

1:32:18I'm just gonna be honest with you off

1:32:19the record this to me says going to jam

1:32:21ups this to me sounds like a who's who

1:32:23among american high school students like

1:32:26they're going to get you to catch out

1:32:26that we got a live one here they want

1:32:28the testing is going to get a lot of

1:32:30weird male well and respect you might

1:32:32want to use a fake name

1:32:33I hit it seems to me that if you can

1:32:37test if you can pay to have your child

1:32:39tested into this program then it is just

1:32:41a place where

1:32:42like busybody rich people are are

1:32:47putting their kids have no like it's a

1:32:48vest mill yeah no longer seems exactly

1:32:51printing you go in there you want a vest

1:32:53will make you a vest

1:32:54that's right you're a novelist now hey

1:32:56somebody to do to copy and paste your

1:32:59book into something

1:33:00mike is so we decided as a family last

1:33:02night that we were not going to go to

1:33:06this test that our child was going to

1:33:08the public schools and let the chips

1:33:10fall because this all sounds Bologna and

1:33:14no thanks no good for you I I you know

1:33:18for what it's worth I think you did the

1:33:19right thing because look at what do you

1:33:21suppose what you're gonna get like if

1:33:23they are gifted what changes

1:33:25yeah well they go over to a special

1:33:26place where they get to play with you

1:33:28know where they get to make origami

1:33:30swans Hoover trains to get to make

1:33:35cranes probably when I was in the gifted

1:33:37program in fourth grade in seattle which

1:33:40was called The Dig program the acronym

1:33:43stood for damn interesting a gadfly who

1:33:48I don't remember what it stood for but

1:33:50we may actually taught us to use slide

1:33:52rules because it was the move was the

1:33:56last gasp the dying day of the slide

1:33:59uh-huh and they talked to a bunch of

1:34:01fourth graders to you slide rules which

1:34:03was obsolete before they were they were

1:34:05they found me slide rules in a dumpster

1:34:08behind the the jet propulsion laboratory

1:34:11and which was you know they they all had

1:34:14digital calculators at that point they

1:34:15were like what are we going to do with

1:34:16these let's give them two gifted kids

1:34:17and see what they make and you know if

1:34:20they left us alone for three more

1:34:21minutes we would have made a like a

1:34:24toothpick Eiffel Tower out of these

1:34:25slide rules but in fact they had

1:34:28somebody come in and teach us how to use

1:34:29I couldn't use one now I think we get

1:34:31you and I could slam dunk this today if

1:34:33we got the resources we got your mom

1:34:34behind it's got some help from her i

1:34:36think that we go a little way beyond

1:34:38montessori i do we go basically we get

1:34:39the cheapest building we thought maybe

1:34:41the place you're being used to practice

1:34:42by the hugo house maybe you can get that

1:34:43back

1:34:44we got that because of one room

1:34:45schoolhouse and here's what you get Yuki

1:34:46bring your kid in and what we have we

1:34:48have we have encyclopedias we've got

1:34:51atlases yeah and we got her for horses

1:34:54and that's the schedule a

1:34:56and you you have to test into this

1:34:57program i don't know i'm not sure how

1:34:59you would get you definitely the best

1:35:00but you come in and and basically you

1:35:03just you read through the Encyclopedia

1:35:05all day long if you don't get dictionary

1:35:06go look it up in the dictionary

1:35:08we got atlases and then periodically you

1:35:10going to comforted by a horse so their

1:35:11horses small horses just milling around

1:35:14in the room where the shelves are just

1:35:17full of atlases and encyclopedia of

1:35:19course of course and and you know if you

1:35:21don't get an education in there somehow

1:35:23forget it

1:35:24you don't deserve to be a given that

1:35:25vest

1:35:31further