Roderick on the Line

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◼   ► hello hi John I'm Merlin how's it going [TS]

◼   ► mmm pretty good huh [TS]

◼   ► I have a little nosh tell em who else in [TS]

◼   ► my coffee while you're eating [TS]

◼   ► yeah I always forget where you are but [TS]

◼   ► you're really johnny-on-the-spot [TS]

◼   ► johnny-on-the-spot for starting at eight [TS]

◼   ► yeah yeah there's a spot and i am [TS]

◼   ► johnnie upon it you are upon it and m [TS]

◼   ► boy I gave I gave you the signal [TS]

◼   ► yeah which is an unflagging an effect on [TS]

◼   ► inflected beep that's right right we we [TS]

◼   ► established this very early or very [TS]

◼   ► early on we would say bleep or bloop [TS]

◼   ► yeah I don't think we've discussed it [TS]

◼   ► much or ever but that's how we would [TS]

◼   ► speak to each other on the internet we [TS]

◼   ► would say blue pen blue porcelain [TS]

◼   ► doesn't such a bleep and bloop for a [TS]

◼   ► very long time not to be confused with [TS]

◼   ► gleep glorp no no I have nothing to do [TS]

◼   ► with it all you would say bleep and I [TS]

◼   ► would say blorp or vice versa and then [TS]

◼   ► we would start the show [TS]

◼   ► yeah and then it got shortened some at [TS]

◼   ► some point along the way to beep uh huh [TS]

◼   ► i would just write beep with not no [TS]

◼   ► punctuation so I sent you a beep just a [TS]

◼   ► minute ago and you immediately called me [TS]

◼   ► and i had a mouthful peanut butter [TS]

◼   ► sandwich cheese Louise I'm sorry I'm [TS]

◼   ► late [TS]

◼   ► ok i turned a corner here's something I [TS]

◼   ► turned upon which johnny turned a corner [TS]

◼   ► is my son [TS]

◼   ► yeah okay i'll share this with you ah [TS]

◼   ► you know I think there's a couple [TS]

◼   ► schools of thought well as many schools [TS]

◼   ► of thought there's many many schools of [TS]

◼   ► thought about doing things and two kinds [TS]

◼   ► of people [TS]

◼   ► yeah right two kinds of people one kind [TS]

◼   ► thinks there are many yes their schools [TS]

◼   ► of thought [TS]

◼   ► yes yeah and so I I historically was was [TS]

◼   ► a variety of things that i do [TS]

◼   ► differently than other people [TS]

◼   ► something is doing the past that almost [TS]

◼   ► everybody does here's the thing most I'm [TS]

◼   ► trying to diagram with them [TS]

◼   ► okay well it's hard to describe this [TS]

◼   ► here's the thing we don't how can I put [TS]

◼   ► this [TS]

◼   ► I don't edit this show it is it is fun [TS]

◼   ► funny and farcical to me when I see what [TS]

◼   ► my wonderful wonderful friends go [TS]

◼   ► through with editing a show and they [TS]

◼   ► proudly display all these millions of [TS]

◼   ► cuts to take out every mm and all and [TS]

◼   ► the extent of editing I've done on here [TS]

◼   ► was before I eat you [TS]

◼   ► he just started saying your daughter's [TS]

◼   ► name like a crazy person I used to try [TS]

◼   ► to bleep it then I said forget it i'm [TS]

◼   ► done with that it's too much work down a [TS]

◼   ► bleep there and then occasionally these [TS]

◼   ► episodes I just didn't put out that's [TS]

◼   ► that was my editing but it's too big [TS]

◼   ► swim lanes straight o'clock across and [TS]

◼   ► it might my thinking you know it's a yes [TS]

◼   ► and as soon as we are on the stage [TS]

◼   ► the show has begun for so let's share [TS]

◼   ► with our listeners that unless you're [TS]

◼   ► your internet brakes which it does we [TS]

◼   ► don't have a thing where we I say good [TS]

◼   ► morning John are you ready to record our [TS]

◼   ► podcast no no because that would ruin it [TS]

◼   ► because we're going to you yet that you [TS]

◼   ► gotta just you i want you to see us [TS]

◼   ► we're picking up the phone were speaking [TS]

◼   ► to each other and we don't there's no [TS]

◼   ► there's no like I don't want to kind of [TS]

◼   ► in band signal about whether you're [TS]

◼   ► ready to use your phone beep beep bloop [TS]

◼   ► and so then the other part is so I [TS]

◼   ► believe in that and and lots of people [TS]

◼   ► disagree with that because they love [TS]

◼   ► their editing I know do they love their [TS]

◼   ► editing the other thing is I used to be [TS]

◼   ► the kind of person that said when I saw [TS]

◼   ► you saw a person show up on skype skype [TS]

◼   ► at them and I'd say hi [TS]

◼   ► are you ready to record our internet [TS]

◼   ► podcast and they go yes I'm ready to [TS]

◼   ► record our internet podcast or no [TS]

◼   ► I'm almost ready to record our internet [TS]

◼   ► podcast I gotta go go make a number one [TS]

◼   ► or a coffee [TS]

◼   ► yeah I stop stop doing that to see I [TS]

◼   ► stopped doing that so now if you did to [TS]

◼   ► me I'm like this they ok recording i [TS]

◼   ► would say yeah you know I was ready for [TS]

◼   ► love I'm here [TS]

◼   ► yeah right i was really when I was here [TS]

◼   ► w you stop doing that with everybody is [TS]

◼   ► that what you're saying well I you know [TS]

◼   ► the let the last one was a nice to John [TS]

◼   ► siracusa yeah he's the worst he's the [TS]

◼   ► worst at this because like I he shows up [TS]

◼   ► exact exactly our point i'm always [TS]

◼   ► always always [TS]

◼   ► that's right there a problem yeah he's [TS]

◼   ► nice and he's an Italian so he shows up [TS]

◼   ► and then I used to say hi [TS]

◼   ► uh-huh you require internet podcast for [TS]

◼   ► podcasting here and right and so what [TS]

◼   ► you would turn into the penguin [TS]

◼   ► Oh Squidward but yeah and then these [TS]

◼   ► hours and then eat the we've recorded i [TS]

◼   ► don't know how many episodes 37 episodes [TS]

◼   ► of that show and he's never the first [TS]

◼   ► one to talk [TS]

◼   ► so all the line has been picked up he [TS]

◼   ► does not acknowledge me and so then I [TS]

◼   ► say they said and eventually I said you [TS]

◼   ► know it's funny I said to him I said [TS]

◼   ► it's funny chance acusa you never never [TS]

◼   ► talk first [TS]

◼   ► yeah and then he stays quiet for a while [TS]

◼   ► oh and eventually I realized it's [TS]

◼   ► because he's one of these monsters who [TS]

◼   ► is used to being on a show that is [TS]

◼   ► edited we say hi [TS]

◼   ► are you ready to reporter internet [TS]

◼   ► podcast oh and then you do you go around [TS]

◼   ► he says everybody recording you say is [TS]

◼   ► everybody had their stuff turned off [TS]

◼   ► turn off your air conditioner and go [TS]

◼   ► through all this stuff that this show is [TS]

◼   ► what's the word energetic everything [TS]

◼   ► that happens on this show is happening [TS]

◼   ► on this show that is one hundred percent [TS]

◼   ► true that include that one conversation [TS]

◼   ► about the show everything that happens [TS]

◼   ► on this show is happening on this show [TS]

◼   ► it's all happening right it's very [TS]

◼   ► unusual for us to do anything that is [TS]

◼   ► not part of the show on the show it so [TS]

◼   ► well I can't think of a single time it's [TS]

◼   ► happened but then I've never listen [TS]

◼   ► never seen the show yeah I when I go on [TS]

◼   ► someone's when i'm on guest as a guest [TS]

◼   ► on someone else's podcast and they pick [TS]

◼   ► up they call me on the skype and I say [TS]

◼   ► hey whats up guys and they say hey John [TS]

◼   ► it's me bill and hide [TS]

◼   ► me Tony or you know they let me start by [TS]

◼   ► telling you a little about myself [TS]

◼   ► well then you know where we have I have [TS]

◼   ► guessed it on podcast where we talked [TS]

◼   ► for 15 minutes [TS]

◼   ► top shelf talking at least on one end [TS]

◼   ► who and then there and then they say [TS]

◼   ► well we should get started uh i have [TS]

◼   ► almost I've almost logged off [TS]

◼   ► I've almost locked off the internet [TS]

◼   ► forever when that has happened that goes [TS]

◼   ► up are you are you are you fucking [TS]

◼   ► serious thats that's monstrous you think [TS]

◼   ► I've got 40 40 hours to do this I was [TS]

◼   ► just giving you that was that was [TS]

◼   ► already good good good shit always be [TS]

◼   ► always be taping you know just get it [TS]

◼   ► get it all [TS]

◼   ► that's good because you know it's a [TS]

◼   ► potentially shows these people were [TS]

◼   ► talking about podcast but be people to [TS]

◼   ► get their outline and they get their [TS]

◼   ► banter and get the bit like and get [TS]

◼   ► explain to you how old this little for [TS]

◼   ► you come on we're going to describe who [TS]

◼   ► you are and we're going to talk about [TS]

◼   ► that and you know I when I went on a car [TS]

◼   ► ride one time with a couple of the [TS]

◼   ► couple of people from the internet this [TS]

◼   ► was a this is a car ride IRL [TS]

◼   ► oh dear ok arm and they were in town to [TS]

◼   ► do a live version of their podcast these [TS]

◼   ► are people that we know you know what [TS]

◼   ► I'm saying oh these are some people that [TS]

◼   ► I know [TS]

◼   ► ok so we're driving we were driving [TS]

◼   ► around after their live podcast show and [TS]

◼   ► they were talking to one another that [TS]

◼   ► are still performing let's be honest [TS]

◼   ► they don't even off the stage for an [TS]

◼   ► hour we are we were on our way to an [TS]

◼   ► ihop to it which is for those of you in [TS]

◼   ► other countries it's the International [TS]

◼   ► House of Pancakes ironic [TS]

◼   ► yeah so if you don't have a hops there [TS]

◼   ► you must not have international pancakes [TS]

◼   ► in your country probably flying i think [TS]

◼   ► it's called flag of convenience right [TS]

◼   ► well the flag of convenience of [TS]

◼   ► international house of pancakes is if [TS]

◼   ► you recall all the flags who released [TS]

◼   ► all the scandinavian legs who remember [TS]

◼   ► the original the original branding was [TS]

◼   ► like like all the flags skin maybe I [TS]

◼   ► remember that feeling [TS]

◼   ► like a what kind of a kind of house we [TS]

◼   ► call a frame that it had a kind of [TS]

◼   ► Scandinavian feel to it and I remember [TS]

◼   ► they had a variety of syrups on the [TS]

◼   ► table they did they did and the roof was [TS]

◼   ► was was an a-frame in order to for the [TS]

◼   ► snow to slide off in the in their home [TS]

◼   ► country of Scandinavia where [TS]

◼   ► International House of Pancakes surely [TS]

◼   ► started just like haagen-dazs ice cream [TS]

◼   ► yes is a great scandinavian brand who [TS]

◼   ► imported directly from scanning that's [TS]

◼   ► right and not at all made in a suburb of [TS]

◼   ► New Jersey whatever and I remember when [TS]

◼   ► you know International House of Pancakes [TS]

◼   ► it is for me dated to a time back when [TS]

◼   ► certain kinds of chain fast food was [TS]

◼   ► still fancy remember when absolutely we [TS]

◼   ► had like.we chain called bill Knapp's [TS]

◼   ► and was kind of like upscale ok nappp [TS]

◼   ► and it was kind of like a slightly make [TS]

◼   ► nicer than Perkins but like slightly [TS]

◼   ► upscale chain comfort food but it's like [TS]

◼   ► where you got places to go after church [TS]

◼   ► if you didn't go to the cafeteria you go [TS]

◼   ► to one of these kinds of places bob [TS]

◼   ► evans is another woman Bob Evans bob [TS]

◼   ► evans that's a quality brand [TS]

◼   ► yep and i want to be I want to be called [TS]

◼   ► Bob map from now on [TS]

◼   ► Bob naps built up your bill maps I feel [TS]

◼   ► like that's a that's a super good [TS]

◼   ► internet handle high my hand building [TS]

◼   ► outcome our guest this week we're gonna [TS]

◼   ► bring bill Knapp's anyway i'm driving [TS]

◼   ► with these guys yet always you get [TS]

◼   ► started i was driving with these guys [TS]

◼   ► and they were talking that this was not [TS]

◼   ► a thing that they didn't solicit my [TS]

◼   ► opinion but they were like yeah you know [TS]

◼   ► the thing about our podcast that makes [TS]

◼   ► it so successful is that where you know [TS]

◼   ► we both come from radio yeah this is the [TS]

◼   ► best not cast and so we know what we [TS]

◼   ► know what people want to hear we know [TS]

◼   ► how to make podcasts because II came [TS]

◼   ► from radio and the thing you know one [TS]

◼   ► thing I can't stand the other guys like [TS]

◼   ► what what I can't stand those podcast [TS]

◼   ► was just two guys talking and they don't [TS]

◼   ► do any editing [TS]

◼   ► and.and I was sitting there sitting on [TS]

◼   ► my hands at this point who I had a lot [TS]

◼   ► of pop in so i wouldn't talk [TS]

◼   ► yep and they went on a 10-minute screen [TS]

◼   ► about how podcast that are edited are [TS]

◼   ► just the worst like crime against the [TS]

◼   ► listener because people want crafted [TS]

◼   ► radio people want podcast that are [TS]

◼   ► crafted handcrafted and hand and I was [TS]

◼   ► just I was sitting there like well shit [TS]

◼   ► no no hard part is pretty fun it's fun [TS]

◼   ► to do that went with you know and up [TS]

◼   ► until this point [TS]

◼   ► Merlin up until this point we have never [TS]

◼   ► spoken about we've never spoken with [TS]

◼   ► pride about the lack of work that we put [TS]

◼   ► into this podcast i think a lot of [TS]

◼   ► people think you're supposed to be [TS]

◼   ► ashamed of not working [TS]

◼   ► boy you should listen to my speech I [TS]

◼   ► gave it XOXO this year [TS]

◼   ► oh yeah that's right so that all right [TS]

◼   ► oh yes yes so there's the podcast CD [TS]

◼   ► with me that you don't listen to write [TS]

◼   ► that you are you felt bad you thought it [TS]

◼   ► was I think your phrase we were [TS]

◼   ► illegitimate it was jimit legitimate all [TS]

◼   ► the work that I do that is the best is [TS]

◼   ► also work that I feel is legitimate but [TS]

◼   ► that's a whole other everybody should go [TS]

◼   ► I don't know if that speech is even [TS]

◼   ► online yet it is it online I haven't [TS]

◼   ► checked it ok i'll look that up [TS]

◼   ► no it's not that you have to check it [TS]

◼   ► would just come down your timeline right [TS]

◼   ► it would just end up in your feet at the [TS]

◼   ► MIT our primary TL yeah yeah on your [TS]

◼   ► feet [TS]

◼   ► I see I i enjoy unlike I think I'm like [TS]

◼   ► you you seem like you don't really [TS]

◼   ► listen to podcast at all do you [TS]

◼   ► I mean less unless it's something but [TS]

◼   ► for a reason it's not part of your [TS]

◼   ► workflow you're not a big podcast person [TS]

◼   ► for the most part until well let's see [TS]

◼   ► let me think about this now for a second [TS]

◼   ► if I can still say this i believe i can [TS]

◼   ► still say that I have never heard a [TS]

◼   ► podcast ok i listened to our an [TS]

◼   ► irresponsible number of podcasts that [TS]

◼   ► are often very very different types and [TS]

◼   ► kinds of podcasts where I mean [TS]

◼   ► especially with this particular I don't [TS]

◼   ► talk about politics but with this [TS]

◼   ► particular season i have adopted [TS]

◼   ► half-a-dozen really good luck [TS]

◼   ► cast about politics that our second ago [TS]

◼   ► I'm sorry to interrupt now everything [TS]

◼   ► that's on the show is on the show and [TS]

◼   ► secondly when you said types and pop [TS]

◼   ► kinds of podcast was that a sort of [TS]

◼   ► insider podcast way of saying that some [TS]

◼   ► kinda haha like you know me feel like [TS]

◼   ► I'm gonna let you wonder it's like types [TS]

◼   ► and island types and kinds of podcast [TS]

◼   ► but I also let's do thai it's like [TS]

◼   ► saying things like fam like you just [TS]

◼   ► assume that somebody's vernacular that [TS]

◼   ► must mean something [TS]

◼   ► damn they say fam and then other people [TS]

◼   ► safe and because they heard other people [TS]

◼   ► say fam earlier this day when when i [TS]

◼   ► wrote you earlier this day that's good [TS]

◼   ► right that's my daughter just a moment [TS]

◼   ► just a moment earlier this day when are [TS]

◼   ► we going to eat this day earlier this [TS]

◼   ► day when i wrote you a text and I said [TS]

◼   ► can we start recording a half an hour [TS]

◼   ► later than we normally do and you said [TS]

◼   ► yes [TS]

◼   ► what did I right back you said too many [TS]

◼   ► things one of them was TTYL which I [TS]

◼   ► think well I taught your you i'm sorry [TS]

◼   ► you taught me that [TS]

◼   ► TTYL you had to go to urban dictionary [TS]

◼   ► to figure out what you're saying be [TS]

◼   ► careful on that site content was the [TS]

◼   ► other one wasn't like i said there's a [TS]

◼   ► bazillion or something what did you say [TS]

◼   ► I said perfect perfect ! a thing which [TS]

◼   ► as i did it i realized i had never done [TS]

◼   ► that's not part of my electron eyeliner [TS]

◼   ► it [TS]

◼   ► oh I like that i sometimes respond [TS]

◼   ► sometimes with my with my wife and me [TS]

◼   ► and I a starting with other people got [TS]

◼   ► very confused i would adopt 00 [TS]

◼   ► pronunciation of the great Richard vase [TS]

◼   ► from the first scene in the office which [TS]

◼   ► is same ethnic perfect i was a perfect [TS]

◼   ► perfect that doesn't mean anything [TS]

◼   ► anybody but my wife and me if I see [TS]

◼   ► perfect [TS]

◼   ► nobody's gonna know what that means i [TS]

◼   ► don't think that's a bit but i like i [TS]

◼   ► like i like your I liked your neologism [TS]

◼   ► perfect perfect i will max out [TS]

◼   ► pronounced right it's not perfect so I'm [TS]

◼   ► trying to say is I wanna get back to [TS]

◼   ► these pancakes years [TS]

◼   ► all I'm trying to say is everything that [TS]

◼   ► happens on the show happens on the show [TS]

◼   ► and and and Miley point being that I [TS]

◼   ► don't understand this is what Freud [TS]

◼   ► calls narcissism of minor differences [TS]

◼   ► don't understand why there has to be so [TS]

◼   ► much hue and cry Sturm and Drang about [TS]

◼   ► all of the people who are doing [TS]

◼   ► everything wrong because they're not [TS]

◼   ► doing it like you I mean my god I first [TS]

◼   ► of all have saved a lot of the podcast i [TS]

◼   ► hold dearest in my heart are similar to [TS]

◼   ► our show are not high production value [TS]

◼   ► things i'm here because i love the [TS]

◼   ► people is that there's a program that a [TS]

◼   ► lot of our listeners also listen to that [TS]

◼   ► I will not mention my name to very very [TS]

◼   ► funny podcast that's not a comedy [TS]

◼   ► podcast cuz I don't like comedy podcast [TS]

◼   ► but Adam Carolla his pancakes are not on [TS]

◼   ► my plate and it's it's kind of a running [TS]

◼   ► joke that like they've been doing the [TS]

◼   ► show for almost 10 years and i still [TS]

◼   ► can't quite get the audio quality where [TS]

◼   ► they like it to be but you listen to it [TS]

◼   ► because because about Marco our Moon's [TS]

◼   ► cocinar Marco Arment now he's got notes [TS]

◼   ► for us [TS]

◼   ► I'm not specifically because I I don't [TS]

◼   ► know if you still listen to the program [TS]

◼   ► because you blocked him [TS]

◼   ► no no I love Marco I'm but the but he is [TS]

◼   ► a really he's very into audio quality i [TS]

◼   ► don't know if you're aware of this [TS]

◼   ► mm so like for example and and work this [TS]

◼   ► isn't the show yet so we're going to cut [TS]

◼   ► all this out audio quality the yeah cuz [TS]

◼   ► I mean we do eventually need to teach [TS]

◼   ► you how to record your side that got our [TS]

◼   ► money you know [TS]

◼   ► no i'm not making this about you I make [TS]

◼   ► this about the industry penis about the [TS]

◼   ► privilege that people don't realize they [TS]

◼   ► have having editing skills but here i [TS]

◼   ► just don't know I i don't i'm sounding [TS]

◼   ► more dramatic about this I actually feel [TS]

◼   ► I actually feeling is more like this [TS]

◼   ► noise [TS]

◼   ► poof-poof because it's like well can't [TS]

◼   ► you just can't there be different kinds [TS]

◼   ► of things we all just get along can't we [TS]

◼   ► all just can't we all just get along and [TS]

◼   ► I guess what I'm trying to say is that [TS]

◼   ► like its it would be very weird to me [TS]

◼   ► for somebody who claims that they're [TS]

◼   ► really into podcast to only listen to [TS]

◼   ► really highly produced radio style shows [TS]

◼   ► because that's not what I consider a [TS]

◼   ► classic podcast I don't think reading a [TS]

◼   ► very well written essay / music bed is a [TS]

◼   ► podcast either i listen to shows like [TS]

◼   ► that i consider a classic podcast to be [TS]

◼   ► it spur of the moment talking between [TS]

◼   ► people about whatever [TS]

◼   ► see now that's a classic podcast well I [TS]

◼   ► I don't know but I mean like I mean then [TS]

◼   ► you take something like you know another [TS]

◼   ► program i used to do with this cotton [TS]

◼   ► Adam and that was edited within an inch [TS]

◼   ► of its life too much great effect right [TS]

◼   ► and that's why you don't do it anymore [TS]

◼   ► that got time consuming [TS]

◼   ► yeah my sense is that if we had if we [TS]

◼   ► had made any attempt to edit this [TS]

◼   ► podcast or do anything to it at all and [TS]

◼   ► I don't know what the other things you [TS]

◼   ► can do a podcast are besides edit it but [TS]

◼   ► i think that there must be some things [TS]

◼   ► that you could do you could run through [TS]

◼   ► a filter you could run this entire [TS]

◼   ► podcast through a flanger even we could [TS]

◼   ► go to be talking into vocoders where [TS]

◼   ► it's turned way up there or a Maryland [TS]

◼   ► how are you [TS]

◼   ► I just add a flanger to just that little [TS]

◼   ► bit because I i think i can do that but [TS]

◼   ► i'm not sure cuz im using a ten-year-old [TS]

◼   ► program to go go just running through to [TS]

◼   ► run through a flanger said it you said [TS]

◼   ► it from your mouth to Rodney King's here [TS]

◼   ► why can't we all just get along can't we [TS]

◼   ► just let people like the things that [TS]

◼   ► they like does it doesn't have to turn [TS]

◼   ► into some kind of land war in Asia just [TS]

◼   ► because people do things differently [TS]

◼   ► it's so odd [TS]

◼   ► my sense of this conversation is that [TS]

◼   ► you have so first of all do you believe [TS]

◼   ► me when i say i've never listened to a [TS]

◼   ► podcast [TS]

◼   ► no I see I think I would be very [TS]

◼   ► surprised i don't know i'm done you act [TS]

◼   ► but you asked me from ok everything on [TS]

◼   ► the show is on the show that's right i [TS]

◼   ► would be very surprised if you had not [TS]

◼   ► listen to almost all of the song explode [TS]

◼   ► episode about the commander thinks aloud [TS]

◼   ► you're right i have listened to a [TS]

◼   ► podcast because I listened to that one [TS]

◼   ► time [TS]

◼   ► Wow boom boom it's true I i was [TS]

◼   ► listening so here's here's my problem [TS]

◼   ► which is that this is the only problem I [TS]

◼   ► alright it's amazing that somebody that [TS]

◼   ► has only one problem and is able to [TS]

◼   ► identify that puts you that the US air [TS]

◼   ► it's a pretty rare my friend [TS]

◼   ► well as my mom likes to believe people [TS]

◼   ► are on earth living iterations of their [TS]

◼   ► former lives based on how they performed [TS]

◼   ► in earlier are you your mom believes [TS]

◼   ► that yes so so exciting to me as you [TS]

◼   ► progress through the through the ladder [TS]

◼   ► of enlightenment you are here on this [TS]

◼   ► planet living a life in order to learn [TS]

◼   ► things that you did not learn earlier [TS]

◼   ► but also with the presumption is that [TS]

◼   ► you are advancing so there are there are [TS]

◼   ► people who are here and they've they've [TS]

◼   ► been bumped up from being a dog or [TS]

◼   ► whatever there-there humans but they're [TS]

◼   ► really at the beginning of the ladder [TS]

◼   ► and then there are old souls who are at [TS]

◼   ► the you know they're really up there [TS]

◼   ► with very few things to learn left but [TS]

◼   ► the things they do have to learn boy [TS]

◼   ► they really i mean that's a whole [TS]

◼   ► lifetime just in the pursuit of learning [TS]

◼   ► this thing and then at a certain point [TS]

◼   ► you know youryour you reach Valhalla [TS]

◼   ► holy mackerel andy so the one thing that [TS]

◼   ► I have that's true about me let's say [TS]

◼   ► that is that I like to read reviews I [TS]

◼   ► like to read reviews more than I like to [TS]

◼   ► consume any of the things being reviewed [TS]

◼   ► is the bet you'd make this something [TS]

◼   ► separate from criticism in the second [TS]

◼   ► that in the in the classic kind of [TS]

◼   ► academic sense i like to read criticism [TS]

◼   ► your you your OneNote let me I'm sorry [TS]

◼   ► to interrupt you but day you studied it [TS]

◼   ► wasn't comparative literature it was the [TS]

◼   ► history of ideas now what was it [TS]

◼   ► that's right come the comparative [TS]

◼   ► history of ideas [TS]

◼   ► I don't like a conflict with a master's [TS]

◼   ► degree I mean it's a lot of like [TS]

◼   ► thinking about things in the app [TS]

◼   ► tracked you think about the thinking [TS]

◼   ► about things who metacognition mm and so [TS]

◼   ► reviews have always been a big part of [TS]

◼   ► my so there's criticism but there's also [TS]

◼   ► just the its younger its younger sibling [TS]

◼   ► the jolly little review which and review [TS]

◼   ► is a very uncomplicated child depending [TS]

◼   ► on how well it's written but i enjoy [TS]

◼   ► and-and-and-and mad magazine was an [TS]

◼   ► early a purveyor of this to me i never [TS]

◼   ► saw the movie Kramer vs Kramer but I [TS]

◼   ► remember mad magazines parody of kramer [TS]

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◼   ► Roderick online black versus lap and and [TS]

◼   ► so you know very early on I realized [TS]

◼   ► that you could get the gist of something [TS]

◼   ► by reading the capsule review of it and [TS]

◼   ► that when used then saw the thing it [TS]

◼   ► either confirmed or exploded the review [TS]

◼   ► but that even didn't matter like it even [TS]

◼   ► a bad review i loved i love to read [TS]

◼   ► there was a there was a magazine [TS]

◼   ► published in the Pacific Northwest and [TS]

◼   ► by magazine I mean broadsheet like an [TS]

◼   ► alternative paper i don't know if you [TS]

◼   ► remember this but it was called snipe [TS]

◼   ► hunt and snipe hunt was just an entire [TS]

◼   ► newspaper like as big as the SF Weekly [TS]

◼   ► but all it was was capsule reviews of [TS]

◼   ► new records by by indie bands [TS]

◼   ► oh the entire thing and the reviews none [TS]

◼   ► of them were more than about three [TS]

◼   ► column enters and every single record [TS]

◼   ► was reviewed by Snider bonds and I never [TS]

◼   ► have never known [TS]

◼   ► like who the snipe on people were or how [TS]

◼   ► it was that this thing existed but it [TS]

◼   ► was just like a free paper that you [TS]

◼   ► would find lying around in bars [TS]

◼   ► and whenever I saw and it came out [TS]

◼   ► quarterly or something it wasn't [TS]

◼   ► something they could do every week but i [TS]

◼   ► would grab snipe hunt and I would just [TS]

◼   ► at first I would go through and i would [TS]

◼   ► read every one star review because [TS]

◼   ► that's what you really want you want [TS]

◼   ► every one star review first and then i [TS]

◼   ► would read every five star review and [TS]

◼   ► then I would you know God go through [TS]

◼   ► eventually i'd read every review because [TS]

◼   ► it was so great and I had no intention [TS]

◼   ► of listening to any of those albums not [TS]

◼   ► even a single one not not even the [TS]

◼   ► five-star five-star review you know what [TS]

◼   ► I get this i totally get this and so [TS]

◼   ► listening to you talk about podcasts is [TS]

◼   ► in a lot of ways better than listening [TS]

◼   ► to podcast yes sir [TS]

◼   ► who knows i'll never let me go song the [TS]

◼   ► song exploded that featured me I finally [TS]

◼   ► listen to after you know after being on [TS]

◼   ► the receiving end of 400 tweets that [TS]

◼   ► were like this is great i listened to it [TS]

◼   ► and it actually i actually was like huh [TS]

◼   ► this was a nice thing this song exploder [TS]

◼   ► that people praised was really nice it [TS]

◼   ► was nice to listen to it made me feel [TS]

◼   ► emotional about my own song because of [TS]

◼   ► the weather was craft that show that guy [TS]

◼   ► like he's so wonderful i can never not [TS]

◼   ► going to begin to try to pronounce his [TS]

◼   ► name but he prefers to go by reaching ok [TS]

◼   ► he he's very good and His that's it [TS]

◼   ► that's interesting you should mention [TS]

◼   ► that example because i often have no [TS]

◼   ► idea who the artist or the song is but [TS]

◼   ► like um like MGMT you know that one that [TS]

◼   ► big hit they had back when MGMT had the [TS]

◼   ► first big hit like the breaking down how [TS]

◼   ► that song it's that one song you know [TS]

◼   ► how it goes and but ask [TS]

◼   ► yeah it's the one and so you a whole [TS]

◼   ► blue [TS]

◼   ► oh but no that doesn't example the show [TS]

◼   ► were like even if i don't know or I'm [TS]

◼   ► not into the song I i really liked the [TS]

◼   ► format for how it doesn't it's very [TS]

◼   ► solemn maybe a little too solemn but the [TS]

◼   ► the way he puts that show together is [TS]

◼   ► terrific now that's an example of a very [TS]

◼   ► heavily edited show that i think is very [TS]

◼   ► well done [TS]

◼   ► he does a very good job [TS]

◼   ► I anybody's it doesn't hurt at all that [TS]

◼   ► it's one of your best known and [TS]

◼   ► certainly one of the most moving songs [TS]

◼   ► and the storytelling stage was just the [TS]

◼   ► way you tell it was great [TS]

◼   ► yeah yeah well it was nice that it was [TS]

◼   ► in front of a live audience but I so i [TS]

◼   ► have this I have this terrible [TS]

◼   ► experience the other day which was a [TS]

◼   ► recapitulation of a terrible series of [TS]

◼   ► experiences i've had over the decades [TS]

◼   ► questions follow-up did we cover the one [TS]

◼   ► thing that II you don't do well that you [TS]

◼   ► know that you like reviews better than [TS]

◼   ► things well 60 here we're about to work [TS]

◼   ► sorry I came to another room of it [TS]

◼   ► because this is what I have to learn in [TS]

◼   ► this life because my mother has never [TS]

◼   ► called me an old soul [TS]

◼   ► she'll talk about you know we'll talk [TS]

◼   ► about kids that she met his old souls [TS]

◼   ► but you know I stand there with my with [TS]

◼   ► my hands in my lap waiting for her to to [TS]

◼   ► bless me with old sold them and she [TS]

◼   ► never does she passes over me she passes [TS]

◼   ► over me like the angel of death because [TS]

◼   ► apparently there's some others blood [TS]

◼   ► splotch on my door but uh but it but [TS]

◼   ► opposite right she's not she's not [TS]

◼   ► preserving me I think she's throwing me [TS]

◼   ► back into the pond because he thinks I [TS]

◼   ► have other things to learn than what i [TS]

◼   ► think i have to learn in some subsequent [TS]

◼   ► life but uh but i don't know maybe at [TS]

◼   ► some point chill chill chill bump me up [TS]

◼   ► a few notches in her estimation but she [TS]

◼   ► has decided once again that she's [TS]

◼   ► clearing out her house my mom and I have [TS]

◼   ► very different ideas about how much [TS]

◼   ► stuff should be in a house and my [TS]

◼   ► version of how much stuff should be in [TS]

◼   ► houses as much stuff as the house can [TS]

◼   ► contain who and her version is the [TS]

◼   ► opposite right as little stuff as a [TS]

◼   ► house can contain if you walk into a [TS]

◼   ► room it should have a couch in it or it [TS]

◼   ► should have something to justify itself [TS]

◼   ► the room should announce what its [TS]

◼   ► purposes and it should justify itself by [TS]

◼   ► by its contents but as a few contents as [TS]

◼   ► possible [TS]

◼   ► and so she decided that she was going [TS]

◼   ► now to go into the basement which is a [TS]

◼   ► space that I think should be an archive [TS]

◼   ► and she was ready to get rid of stuff [TS]

◼   ► and so I i came into her house i sat [TS]

◼   ► down on the on the on the the knockdown [TS]

◼   ► chair that we've had since I was in high [TS]

◼   ► school [TS]

◼   ► hey what's up and she said oh I'm glad [TS]

◼   ► you're here and then she goes into the [TS]

◼   ► room and she plops a bin ab in from a [TS]

◼   ► bin store the plastic bin full of cds [TS]

◼   ► and she says I want you to go through [TS]

◼   ► this and I go boy [TS]

◼   ► what is this about and she said I'm [TS]

◼   ► getting rid of all these cds and I want [TS]

◼   ► you to go through and take the ones out [TS]

◼   ► that you want like Tom these cds belong [TS]

◼   ► in the basement that's not necessary [TS]

◼   ► that you go through these and if you are [TS]

◼   ► going to go through them you should go [TS]

◼   ► through them when you're 85 years old [TS]

◼   ► but alright i'll go through these cds [TS]

◼   ► and the bin just contain CDs that start [TS]

◼   ► with a and B they're not it's just like [TS]

◼   ► the beginning of this enormous [TS]

◼   ► collection of CDs cowboy and so I start [TS]

◼   ► going through them and I realized that I [TS]

◼   ► have a collection it contained within [TS]

◼   ► these cds of every album released [TS]

◼   ► between 1998 and 2007 like every single [TS]

◼   ► one that you get gates you you get down [TS]

◼   ► what's the word on comps but a [TS]

◼   ► pre-release you know [TS]

◼   ► yeah kinda stuff right and and some of [TS]

◼   ► them are some of them are very unique [TS]

◼   ► like the first band of horses album i [TS]

◼   ► have the demos of when the band was [TS]

◼   ► still called horses and ben bridwell [TS]

◼   ► said hey I want you to listen to the [TS]

◼   ► demo of my new band the songs that I'm [TS]

◼   ► working on and it is all the songs of [TS]

◼   ► the first band of horses record with him [TS]

◼   ► scatting over them it's the same exact [TS]

◼   ► melodies of the tunes mom but he did [TS]

◼   ► have the lyrics yet so it's like you [TS]

◼   ► know seven never dabbled a bit too [TS]

◼   ► badoo badoo know that song he had the [TS]

◼   ► layer he had at least 100 but you know [TS]

◼   ► there's a lot of scouting on it and he [TS]

◼   ► was a guy that was onion bear [TS]

◼   ► just about have a hanging about handing [TS]

◼   ► his best friend I mean people he knows [TS]

◼   ► this CD like with scouting on it because [TS]

◼   ► he was so proud of it already [TS]

◼   ► like I have documents that are better [TS]

◼   ► very very interesting of lots of bands [TS]

◼   ► that sent me early copies that I ever [TS]

◼   ► tell you about the time i was i was [TS]

◼   ► there i was i played a show in montreal [TS]

◼   ► and and these kids came up after the [TS]

◼   ► show and they handed me their their CD [TS]

◼   ► right right and then they became the [TS]

◼   ► band that wave the wave their flags and [TS]

◼   ► played the typewriter that's right they [TS]

◼   ► had drumsticks on the helmet that's [TS]

◼   ► right drumsticks on now [TS]

◼   ► ok some other ones were the thinking [TS]

◼   ► when they came back wah john they were [TS]

◼   ► yeah there were some of them are typical [TS]

◼   ► huh [TS]

◼   ► they spoke with the adorable from [TS]

◼   ► Jackson's they were young kids at the [TS]

◼   ► time and they were like with you know we [TS]

◼   ► want you to hear this we love your show [TS]

◼   ► we want you to hear this demo and then I [TS]

◼   ► became like a very big very big band so [TS]

◼   ► I have a lot of things like that in [TS]

◼   ► addition to every every release all of [TS]

◼   ► them you know cut out since them and my [TS]

◼   ► mom pops this bin down in front of me [TS]

◼   ► and I realize and then she starts [TS]

◼   ► talking about them talking about the [TS]

◼   ► record and I realized that she has [TS]

◼   ► listened to all of these albums she's [TS]

◼   ► gone through what [TS]

◼   ► listen to them put them into her itunes [TS]

◼   ► put the CD into her computer loaded into [TS]

◼   ► our itunes put the song on her ipod mini [TS]

◼   ► and you can listen to it at least once [TS]

◼   ► and then she wrote a review of it on a [TS]

◼   ► post-it note and stuck the review to the [TS]

◼   ► CD and the reviews are often like tunis [TS]

◼   ► yell p soft rock you think she was doing [TS]

◼   ► it to jog her memory or to just be have [TS]

◼   ► some closure with that particular item [TS]

◼   ► yeah i think it was a little ways that [TS]

◼   ► note for that's a good question i think [TS]

◼   ► ultimately it was for me because again [TS]

◼   ► my mom doesn't she [TS]

◼   ► they're the same consumptive habits that [TS]

◼   ► i do and she was trying to make it [TS]

◼   ► easier for me to listen to this music [TS]

◼   ► and if it was tuneless yell p soft rock [TS]

◼   ► she put that on their kind of to save me [TS]

◼   ► the trouble but the problem is that [TS]

◼   ► tuneless yell p soft rock maybe at would [TS]

◼   ► be something that I would think is good [TS]

◼   ► because she has different taste tonight [TS]

◼   ► sure and so but the primary difference [TS]

◼   ► is that i'm never gonna listen to those [TS]

◼   ► records i have listened to like four [TS]

◼   ► percent of the records that are in this [TS]

◼   ► bin and mostly it is the four percent of [TS]

◼   ► I mean it's bad it's almost that I've [TS]

◼   ► heard the songs of four percent of these [TS]

◼   ► bands because the ones that I've heard [TS]

◼   ► are ones that have toured with or seen [TS]

◼   ► live [TS]

◼   ► I i hardly ever put a CD in a machine to [TS]

◼   ► listen to it or listen to a man mp3 now [TS]

◼   ► so I'm going through this and I'm seeing [TS]

◼   ► that i actually had an enormous slice of [TS]

◼   ► the culture that I was actually a part [TS]

◼   ► of I had not just access but ownership [TS]

◼   ► of this this wall of cds or groom of CJ [TS]

◼   ► your witness to history [TS]

◼   ► I i have a possessor of history i have [TS]

◼   ► the amber the hair with amber eyes here [TS]

◼   ► and I did not consume it and now it [TS]

◼   ► feels like too late to consume it i'm [TS]

◼   ► playing cds and I'm like I remember this [TS]

◼   ► band [TS]

◼   ► this was the band you know this was this [TS]

◼   ► band from modesto that one of the [TS]

◼   ► members was you know formerly dated the [TS]

◼   ► younger brother of one of the members [TS]

◼   ► one of the later members of grandaddy or [TS]

◼   ► whatever this was the guy that that this [TS]

◼   ► was the CD of the bartender at the [TS]

◼   ► mercury lounge and I'm going through and [TS]

◼   ► I'm just like well the only ones of [TS]

◼   ► these that i want to keep frankly are [TS]

◼   ► like everyone so while you pull out on [TS]

◼   ► Sam Cooke record you like I could keep [TS]

◼   ► this sam cooke record [TS]

◼   ► you know the greatest hits of lynyrd [TS]

◼   ► skynyrd gotta get going to keep gold and [TS]

◼   ► platinum and i sent the rest into you [TS]

◼   ► know into the river because my moms [TS]

◼   ► cleaning it out i don't want to bring [TS]

◼   ► these things home to my house I know I'm [TS]

◼   ► never going to listen to them is really [TS]

◼   ► and I'm i stand amazed you pull this off [TS]

◼   ► baby you're amazed maybe i'm amazed with [TS]

◼   ► the way you got rid of those cds all the [TS]

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◼   ► well ends and so but I was sitting there [TS]

◼   ► a little bit covered in shame my 82 [TS]

◼   ► year-old mother had a better sense of [TS]

◼   ► what a much better sense of what indie [TS]

◼   ► rock in 2001 was then I but as far as [TS]

◼   ► the recorded output of it than I ever [TS]

◼   ► would and she listened to all the demos [TS]

◼   ► everything that came across my bow she [TS]

◼   ► took because she was looking she was [TS]

◼   ► curious and she was looking to develop [TS]

◼   ► her musical tastes and she wanted to [TS]

◼   ► know what was happening in the in the [TS]

◼   ► indie rock world that I inhabited and I [TS]

◼   ► like I have no context for i don't i [TS]

◼   ► don't know what she experienced in that [TS]

◼   ► and now right now she's super into Myles [TS]

◼   ► Kennedy who is in a band [TS]

◼   ► who's the singer of a band featuring at [TS]

◼   ► least two members of creed my and so she [TS]

◼   ► listen she puts myles kennedy on it's [TS]

◼   ► like she's eclectic she decided at one [TS]

◼   ► point that slash's snakepit was good in [TS]

◼   ► case remind our listeners roughly the [TS]

◼   ► age of your mom going to be specific [TS]

◼   ► she's 82 ok and and so then through that [TS]

◼   ► she said should I listen to Crede and I [TS]

◼   ► said no and she said I think I'm going [TS]

◼   ► to ignore your advice and she went and [TS]

◼   ► listened to accrete album and she said [TS]

◼   ► this guy sounds like an asshole but this [TS]

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◼   ► can't get past the fact that this guy [TS]

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◼   ► Duncan jump.john of the tunes and she [TS]

◼   ► was like that's you know I think the [TS]

◼   ► band is good and I think this asshole at [TS]

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◼   ► bought all the Creed records and she's [TS]

◼   ► walking around I'm sure right now she's [TS]

◼   ► out for a walk with her ipod mini [TS]

◼   ► listening to creed and so on the one [TS]

◼   ► hand she's listen to all indie rock [TS]

◼   ► music that was ever made but on the [TS]

◼   ► other hand that has delivered her unto [TS]

◼   ► Creed whereas I never listen to any of [TS]

◼   ► that music and so I am I'm absolved [TS]

◼   ► there listening to creat she's but she's [TS]

◼   ► having a more pure experience of the [TS]

◼   ► music as a as its own thing [TS]

◼   ► orderly orderly peaceful fair yet she [TS]

◼   ► has no sense of like this band belongs [TS]

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◼   ► these people are from this part of the [TS]

◼   ► country which is instead of like that [TS]

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◼   ► craft services or I know I know the real [TS]

◼   ► deal with this guy [TS]

◼   ► she'sshe's unburdened by your insider [TS]

◼   ► knowledge as a professional and as a [TS]

◼   ► kind of fan but like somebody in the [TS]

◼   ► industry she's unburdened by that burned [TS]

◼   ► by that and also unburdened by what what [TS]

◼   ► John Flansburg used to call trouble [TS]

◼   ► kicking indie rock which was when it [TS]

◼   ► comes on [TS]

◼   ► she doesn't even contextualize it within [TS]

◼   ► the history of rock [TS]

◼   ► she's just listens to every album more [TS]

◼   ► or less with it with a clean slate [TS]

◼   ► she puts it in and she's like I mean I [TS]

◼   ► don't even I don't even think she looks [TS]

◼   ► at the cover and sees how put a bird on [TS]

◼   ► it some of these bands are she doesn't [TS]

◼   ► go in prejudiced like a lot of the bands [TS]

◼   ► i'm flipping through the cds i watch the [TS]

◼   ► i was i'm watching just from the covers [TS]

◼   ► the rise and fall of put a bird on it [TS]

◼   ► culture and I see the proto the proto [TS]

◼   ► birds a lot of those records where the [TS]

◼   ► band would never in a million years put [TS]

◼   ► a picture of themselves anywhere on the [TS]

◼   ► record for any information about [TS]

◼   ► themselves at all because that would I [TS]

◼   ► don't know what say something about them [TS]

◼   ► but by not doing it they are very [TS]

◼   ► definitely saying something about them [TS]

◼   ► and i'm watching these cds go by and I [TS]

◼   ► see quiet is the new laughs [TS]

◼   ► would go up and down icy loud as the new [TS]

◼   ► quiet common go and so I have all this [TS]

◼   ► this historic context and in a way i'm [TS]

◼   ► i'm writing reviews of records that I've [TS]

◼   ► never heard just by just by watching [TS]

◼   ► them good just as just going through a [TS]

◼   ► bit of the A's and B's and then the next [TS]

◼   ► time I come to her how she plops down a [TS]

◼   ► bit of the season DS season these nuts [TS]

◼   ► which is a joke from this era right I [TS]

◼   ► never heard it with the sea season the [TS]

◼   ► season nuts i don't know i never knew [TS]

◼   ► what that meant it was something from a [TS]

◼   ► movie [TS]

◼   ► yeah it was a i was reminded the other [TS]

◼   ► day of icing did you ever get ice [TS]

◼   ► I don't know you can't give a high level [TS]

◼   ► on what I sing is there was a fad [TS]

◼   ► backstage at festivals for a very brief [TS]

◼   ► period somewhere back there in the [TS]

◼   ► mid-2000s where some beer that was [TS]

◼   ► called ice ice beer [TS]

◼   ► oh the ice beer era ice beer area [TS]

◼   ► getting but ice right and to be iced was [TS]

◼   ► a pretty one of these ice beers was [TS]

◼   ► particularly terrible and even maybe use [TS]

◼   ► a keystone know wasn't it wasn't that it [TS]

◼   ► was terrible because it was cheap [TS]

◼   ► it was terrible not maybe not only [TS]

◼   ► because it was cheap but because of it [TS]

◼   ► was just terrible [TS]

◼   ► I don't remember why because I don't [TS]

◼   ► drink beer okay but to be iced was to [TS]

◼   ► walk up to somebody and take a knee bend [TS]

◼   ► down and hold up this brand of ice beer [TS]

◼   ► which it's kind of like the ice bucket [TS]

◼   ► challenge now that a person has been [TS]

◼   ► down and handed you this ice beer you [TS]

◼   ► have to drink it you have to drink this [TS]

◼   ► terrible beer which everybody agreed was [TS]

◼   ► terrible and then you had to then then [TS]

◼   ► you were tagged you had to go ice [TS]

◼   ► somebody else I saw this go down [TS]

◼   ► I saw this go down many times backstage [TS]

◼   ► this and and then you know some whenever [TS]

◼   ► somebody would try to ice me I would ice [TS]

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◼   ► everybody's doing this and now nobody's [TS]

◼   ► doing this because it was idiotic so I'm [TS]

◼   ► going on that's going to be using the DS [TS]

◼   ► everyone pass everyone that passes [TS]

◼   ► through my hand I feel a little bit of [TS]

◼   ► guilt at not having listened to and not [TS]

◼   ► having because some of them I'm sure our [TS]

◼   ► gems some of them would be those albums [TS]

◼   ► that are like wow this album really [TS]

◼   ► changed me that he still had posted [TS]

◼   ► notes at this point a some of them do [TS]

◼   ► some of the post-it notes have been and [TS]

◼   ► when I find a stack of my mom's post-it [TS]

◼   ► notes that are detached from the thing [TS]

◼   ► that they posted originally detached [TS]

◼   ► from the post those are also wonderful [TS]

◼   ► and you can make little notes and [TS]

◼   ► remarks about things [TS]

◼   ► yeah you could you make coffee table [TS]

◼   ► book just of her post it no saying you [TS]

◼   ► should because she's also funded because [TS]

◼   ► she likes to put things away but i would [TS]

◼   ► i would yell at her because she would [TS]

◼   ► put things away and I couldn't find them [TS]

◼   ► because my organization style is I know [TS]

◼   ► where things are over there already put [TS]

◼   ► away that one is put away on the coffee [TS]

◼   ► table underneath some other things that [TS]

◼   ► she thinks it's not put away enough it's [TS]

◼   ► not put away and if it has to go in the [TS]

◼   ► draw uh-huh [TS]

◼   ► and so she would put something away but [TS]

◼   ► then she would leave me a post-it note [TS]

◼   ► saying the thing that you're looking for [TS]

◼   ► that was under that stack of other [TS]

◼   ► things is now in the following draw in [TS]

◼   ► the third drawer to the left please a [TS]

◼   ► little little breadcrumb trail little [TS]

◼   ► breadcrumb trail and if I didn't [TS]

◼   ► immediately go and retrieve that thing [TS]

◼   ► and put it back where I wanted it then [TS]

◼   ► the note became completely out of [TS]

◼   ► context because because a lot of them [TS]

◼   ► were referring not specifically to the [TS]

◼   ► thing itself but the prior location of [TS]

◼   ► them of the thing and its present [TS]

◼   ► location and those locations change over [TS]

◼   ► time [TS]

◼   ► so becomes a treasure map to treasure is [TS]

◼   ► constantly in motion and I find those [TS]

◼   ► still all the time because a lot of [TS]

◼   ► those post-it notes I didn't want to [TS]

◼   ► throw away and so I put them in an [TS]

◼   ► interest in a stack of thing haha whoa [TS]

◼   ► yeah so I'm going through a stack of [TS]

◼   ► things i find a note about a prior stack [TS]

◼   ► of things that she's moved because that [TS]

◼   ► goes in the note collection [TS]

◼   ► yeah and I and I think do I keep this [TS]

◼   ► note because it's so that must drive her [TS]

◼   ► crazy she's hosted by our own petard [TS]

◼   ► she is or do i get rid of the note now [TS]

◼   ► that it's meaningless but if i start if [TS]

◼   ► I stopped and got rid of every [TS]

◼   ► meaningless note like how would I how [TS]

◼   ► would I recognize my own path [TS]

◼   ► well I mean what what we mean by [TS]

◼   ► meaningless sure she took the time to to [TS]

◼   ► believe me these insensible notes that [TS]

◼   ► are describing / need to move my things [TS]

◼   ► into drawers and i would love I would [TS]

◼   ► love a record of that I don't blame you [TS]

◼   ► i mean i keep I keep garbage like that I [TS]

◼   ► keep like my wife must mix our daughters [TS]

◼   ► lunches now but in the time when I was [TS]

◼   ► making lunches a lot i would always have [TS]

◼   ► taken index card i put a sticker on it [TS]

◼   ► and then make some kind of a remark and [TS]

◼   ► I would always do and I say about the [TS]

◼   ► lunch [TS]

◼   ► well it was usually like a Marvel [TS]

◼   ► character sticker and I try to say [TS]

◼   ► something clever that was really just a [TS]

◼   ► dad joke you know be thorne would say [TS]

◼   ► enjoy I lunch or whatever and just [TS]

◼   ► really stupid stuff but I save those and [TS]

◼   ► i'm glad i am glad i did that for me [TS]

◼   ► it's not for her they're not [TS]

◼   ► particularly clever right well she was [TS]

◼   ► like four years old and couldn't read ya [TS]

◼   ► better policy really good reader no well [TS]

◼   ► I imagine knowing she's just really [TS]

◼   ► really good reader now I think being a [TS]

◼   ► good reader is better than being good [TS]

◼   ► sports oh please [TS]

◼   ► but not everybody shares that feeling hi [TS]

◼   ► now some people think that being a good [TS]

◼   ► sports is better is it more important [TS]

◼   ► more important to be smarter kind or is [TS]

◼   ► that is that a nonequivalent an unfair [TS]

◼   ► comparison [TS]

◼   ► well that could put that in easier ways [TS]

◼   ► for you actually say it could say is it [TS]

◼   ► better to test well or be a good person [TS]

◼   ► Anjali deliberately leaving a little bit [TS]

◼   ► wavy gravy they were talking about this [TS]

◼   ► on the national public radio today and [TS]

◼   ► I'm thinking about it a little bit i [TS]

◼   ► mean do we need to we need more kindness [TS]

◼   ► I feel that we have we have a little bit [TS]

◼   ► of kindness over our kindness overload [TS]

◼   ► right now because it's not politeness [TS]

◼   ► this is kindness kindness [TS]

◼   ► well yeah because the definition of [TS]

◼   ► kindness is moving target [TS]

◼   ► well see here's the thing they talked [TS]

◼   ► about on the National Public Radio and I [TS]

◼   ► thought this was a nice distinction a [TS]

◼   ► bully you take a bully you take a lien [TS]

◼   ► on scut Farkus but let's say taking [TS]

◼   ► Eddie Haskell think of all mrs. cleaver [TS]

◼   ► man ran like a bully can be extremely [TS]

◼   ► polite but is not very kind [TS]

◼   ► well sure but you can you can be the you [TS]

◼   ► can be kind you can attempt to be kind [TS]

◼   ► and what what ends up happening with a [TS]

◼   ► lot of kindness is that you are [TS]

◼   ► presuming to know what other people need [TS]

◼   ► your presuming to know what other people [TS]

◼   ► need and what what they want or what to [TS]

◼   ► expect even or what they expect [TS]

◼   ► and so I see this a lot in our in our [TS]

◼   ► current culture people are presuming to [TS]

◼   ► act on behalf of other people and [TS]

◼   ► generally motivated by a desire to be [TS]

◼   ► kind but but what ends up happening is [TS]

◼   ► that they are imposing their worldview [TS]

◼   ► they're taking other people's agency in [TS]

◼   ► a lot of ways are there they are [TS]

◼   ► presuming that what the person needs is [TS]

◼   ► them an unrelated person behaving a [TS]

◼   ► certain way and real kindness which is [TS]

◼   ► just going I mean going through life and [TS]

◼   ► acting kindly is a thing that doesn't [TS]

◼   ► need to be talked about on NPR it's not [TS]

◼   ► a thing that we need to write think [TS]

◼   ► pieces about how we need more [TS]

◼   ► it because it's the things piece [TS]

◼   ► inspires people who are looking for [TS]

◼   ► accolades who are imagining that they [TS]

◼   ► are saintly who are trying to trying to [TS]

◼   ► change the course of the culture in ways [TS]

◼   ► they think the culture need needs to be [TS]

◼   ► changed and kindness is a thing that you [TS]

◼   ► i think some people have and some people [TS]

◼   ► are forced to have huh [TS]

◼   ► but and the people that have it are our [TS]

◼   ► kind and and and I and I think a lot of [TS]

◼   ► it really as a parent now I see things [TS]

◼   ► like that being present innately in [TS]

◼   ► children where they haven't been taught [TS]

◼   ► it there are there are children i met [TS]

◼   ► when they were one and a half years old [TS]

◼   ► that we're already intrinsically kind [TS]

◼   ► and there were children that were awful [TS]

◼   ► and it wasn't a thing that their parents [TS]

◼   ► had any effect on it was just like Oh [TS]

◼   ► apparently God thought the world needed [TS]

◼   ► another unkind person and so he made [TS]

◼   ► this one check and then he needed some [TS]

◼   ► more kind people and so he made these [TS]

◼   ► but but ice i see people assuming that [TS]

◼   ► they're kinda assuming that their [TS]

◼   ► kindness is needed and a lot of them are [TS]

◼   ► any Haskell's and they decided it could [TS]

◼   ► be it can be a kind of [TS]

◼   ► passive-aggressive or even aggressive [TS]

◼   ► move [TS]

◼   ► yeah because then you get to put your [TS]

◼   ► frame on how this situation is happening [TS]

◼   ► yeah when you're when you're under the [TS]

◼   ► guise of being kind of being in or being [TS]

◼   ► helpful [TS]

◼   ► yeah right that people i mean i think i [TS]

◼   ► think one of the most common problems [TS]

◼   ► that people interacting with one another [TS]

◼   ► is that um and and again that there are [TS]

◼   ► there are lots and lots of extra verts [TS]

◼   ► in the world who aren't thinking this [TS]

◼   ► much about interaction they're just [TS]

◼   ► being and when you talk to a lot of [TS]

◼   ► introverted people who / think their [TS]

◼   ► interactions they will say I don't trust [TS]

◼   ► extroverts because they aren't neurotic [TS]

◼   ► and neuroses seems like a good indicator [TS]

◼   ► of intelligence and without Charlotte at [TS]

◼   ► least thoughts on this platform this but [TS]

◼   ► I'm you know a thoughtful in a sense if [TS]

◼   ► you think about things and thinking [TS]

◼   ► about things is how we describe [TS]

◼   ► intelligence you know like that yeah I [TS]

◼   ► mean you know what i mean like i do but [TS]

◼   ► i think there's a difference between [TS]

◼   ► book intelligence and emotional [TS]

◼   ► intelligence and i think i'm not [TS]

◼   ► advocating for yes thought I'm just [TS]

◼   ► joking right [TS]

◼   ► um thinking a lot about introversion [TS]

◼   ► these days well yeah I mean because I [TS]

◼   ► because I'm i have self-identified as [TS]

◼   ► one and so introverts now talk to me [TS]

◼   ► about it but uh but what I what I see [TS]

◼   ► people doing is they are they're [TS]

◼   ► imagining that their behavior is [TS]

◼   ► important and whether or not they are [TS]

◼   ► racist or not a racist is important in [TS]

◼   ► the world and what they're doing a lot [TS]

◼   ► of cases is leaping ahead of the present [TS]

◼   ► predicting the future and I'm talking [TS]

◼   ► about even in immediate terms like [TS]

◼   ► predicting the future of this engagement [TS]

◼   ► 15 minutes from now imagining in that [TS]

◼   ► future there the other person the person [TS]

◼   ► they're talking to and trying to move [TS]

◼   ► the experience move the interaction in [TS]

◼   ► the direction of what they think the [TS]

◼   ► future should be rather than letting the [TS]

◼   ► interaction unfold and so they are you [TS]

◼   ► know they're trying to behave in a [TS]

◼   ► certain way to produce a certain outcome [TS]

◼   ► which they have arrived at and are now [TS]

◼   ► trying to accomplish as a form of being [TS]

◼   ► kind to this person or sensitive to them [TS]

◼   ► and their needs but they're also not be [TS]

◼   ► a very good improviser they're not [TS]

◼   ► improvising and they're not and what [TS]

◼   ► they're ultimately doing is trying to [TS]

◼   ► take control and trying to and they am [TS]

◼   ► and I think in this process they imagine [TS]

◼   ► that they know better what the other [TS]

◼   ► person needs then the person themselves [TS]

◼   ► is it possible they are not aware [TS]

◼   ► they're doing that its absolute I think [TS]

◼   ► they're in most cases they're not and i [TS]

◼   ► think it derives a lot of time from [TS]

◼   ► teachers and parents having listened to [TS]

◼   ► an NPR piece about how we need more [TS]

◼   ► kindness and then they interact with [TS]

◼   ► this [TS]

◼   ► it's light mischaracterization but allow [TS]

◼   ► it's you know like the think piece on [TS]

◼   ► how we need more kindness it was about [TS]

◼   ► it was about ruminating on nevermind go [TS]

◼   ► ahead but there's a lot of this in the [TS]

◼   ► culture their billboards now that's a [TS]

◼   ► like we need to combat bullying and i [TS]

◼   ► think that at one level and we you and I [TS]

◼   ► have talked about this and in terms of [TS]

◼   ► your own daughters experience in school [TS]

◼   ► like yes we need to combat bullying [TS]

◼   ► I you know it in in the sense that we [TS]

◼   ► don't tolerate bullying but what ends up [TS]

◼   ► happening is that we're leaping ahead [TS]

◼   ► and and stand addressing students who [TS]

◼   ► aren't bullies addressing the the wide [TS]

◼   ► spectrum of people with the goal of [TS]

◼   ► eradicated bullying which is bullying is [TS]

◼   ► not a single thing it's not a it's not a [TS]

◼   ► certain kind of behavior like it's a [TS]

◼   ► mentality it's a it's something [TS]

◼   ► intrinsic to humans it some kids and [TS]

◼   ► again I've seen two-year-olds that were [TS]

◼   ► just born bullies but in this in this [TS]

◼   ► desire to not have bullying affect the [TS]

◼   ► sensitive kids we're making these [TS]

◼   ► blanket assumptions about how people [TS]

◼   ► interact trying to head them off at the [TS]

◼   ► pass and so then we create kids who are [TS]

◼   ► self editing editing their friends you [TS]

◼   ► know vigilant over vigilant over things [TS]

◼   ► that could potentially be bullying and [TS]

◼   ► creating not necessarily a culture of [TS]

◼   ► kindness but a culture of [TS]

◼   ► hyper-vigilance about other people's [TS]

◼   ► behavior and about potential outcomes of [TS]

◼   ► interactions that aren't really even [TS]

◼   ► sewn in the interaction they're not [TS]

◼   ► they're not present there there only [TS]

◼   ► present in the prognostication and so [TS]

◼   ► you know part part part of it is from [TS]

◼   ► hearing you [TS]

◼   ► part of it is that in our drive to [TS]

◼   ► eradicate this thing we all agree is bad [TS]

◼   ► we end up artificially rerouting a lot [TS]

◼   ► of how people operate with each other is [TS]

◼   ► that that's part of it [TS]

◼   ► well yeah because I mean you're charging [TS]

◼   ► young kids with the authority to know to [TS]

◼   ► look at it in you to look at an [TS]

◼   ► interaction between people and and and [TS]

◼   ► try and headed off identify behaviors as [TS]

◼   ► as certain kind of behavior behaviors [TS]

◼   ► that are in Psychological silo and [TS]

◼   ► you're teaching kids and I missing [TS]

◼   ► whether I agree disagree but I just [TS]

◼   ► clarify its also it also seems like be [TS]

◼   ► careful with that kind of stuff because [TS]

◼   ► you're creating a new kind of pattern [TS]

◼   ► matching machine [TS]

◼   ► yeah right i mean you're you're [TS]

◼   ► encouraging your ears you're encouraging [TS]

◼   ► people for whether it's a good better [TS]

◼   ► whatever reason or outcome that you're [TS]

◼   ► looking for you are in the same way that [TS]

◼   ► like high-stakes testing makes kids [TS]

◼   ► won't have to be good at tests in this [TS]

◼   ► case you're encouraging a certain kind [TS]

◼   ► of pattern matching that on somebody [TS]

◼   ► using equipment that maybe isn't [TS]

◼   ► completely developed yet right or and it [TS]

◼   ► was even capable of being developed like [TS]

◼   ► my personal version of it dating back to [TS]

◼   ► the nineteen seventies and eighties was [TS]

◼   ► that I was raised in an environment [TS]

◼   ► where i heard all the time about how men [TS]

◼   ► wanted sex and pretended to understand [TS]

◼   ► what love was in order to accomplish sex [TS]

◼   ► and women wanted love and they pretended [TS]

◼   ► to enjoy sex in order to get love and it [TS]

◼   ► was a completely simple reduction of the [TS]

◼   ► truth in order to exploit [TS]

◼   ► truth in order to exploit [TS]

◼   ► Ain a perception of the gulf between men [TS]

◼   ► and women that was a product of the kind [TS]

◼   ► of revolution both sexual revolution and [TS]

◼   ► feminist revolution of the late sixties [TS]

◼   ► early seventies and so that was [TS]

◼   ► transmitted to me as a young person in [TS]

◼   ► the seventies and transmitted to me in [TS]

◼   ► the hope that I would not be this type [TS]

◼   ► of person that if we could reach a [TS]

◼   ► generation of young men and say this is [TS]

◼   ► the this is the this is our perception [TS]

◼   ► of the of the conditions currently and [TS]

◼   ► if you know about it and you are and [TS]

◼   ► it's explained to you and it's explained [TS]

◼   ► to you that this isn't something we want [TS]

◼   ► to recapitulate then we can interrupt [TS]

◼   ► this long-standing resort patriarchal [TS]

◼   ► pattern and what it produced in me was [TS]

◼   ► when i was sitting in interacting with [TS]

◼   ► girls in my in my early days i was [TS]

◼   ► trying to head this tendency off at the [TS]

◼   ► pass and say listen I don't just want [TS]

◼   ► sex from you i do want to experience [TS]

◼   ► love and I want to be there for you in [TS]

◼   ► the ways that you want me to be there [TS]

◼   ► and in a lot of cases that was just [TS]

◼   ► wrong [TS]

◼   ► it wasn't a description of what was [TS]

◼   ► happening at all it was the best thing [TS]

◼   ► that my parents generation could come up [TS]

◼   ► with to describe what they proceed but [TS]

◼   ► in a lot of instances the girls i was [TS]

◼   ► interacting with as a teenager [TS]

◼   ► we're saying what no I just want to [TS]

◼   ► experiment with sex [TS]

◼   ► I'm excited about it and I just want to [TS]

◼   ► play in that space and I was like I know [TS]

◼   ► you think that but this is part of our [TS]

◼   ► indoctrination and what we really need [TS]

◼   ► to do is and by that time a lot of those [TS]

◼   ► people had already gotten up out of the [TS]

◼   ► chair and we're going to somebody else [TS]

◼   ► to talk to them and hope hope that next [TS]

◼   ► person might just give them some sex [TS]

◼   ► and for many many years my own [TS]

◼   ► development was inhibited by what by the [TS]

◼   ► job that I'd been given by adult humans [TS]

◼   ► who thought they understood what human [TS]

◼   ► interactions were and thought they had a [TS]

◼   ► formula and all we needed to do is teach [TS]

◼   ► our kids and i created more problems [TS]

◼   ► both in my own life and for other people [TS]

◼   ► because i wasn't leaping ahead in our [TS]

◼   ► interaction to a time when the girl was [TS]

◼   ► sitting sobbing because all I wanted was [TS]

◼   ► sex you know like I imagined that I knew [TS]

◼   ► better than they did what they wanted in [TS]

◼   ► the future and so I see in our culture [TS]

◼   ► now another iteration of that we can [TS]

◼   ► never know in our own time [TS]

◼   ► how ridiculous we're going to look to [TS]

◼   ► people 30 years from now and our [TS]

◼   ► understanding of what we need and what [TS]

◼   ► and how much we can intervene is going [TS]

◼   ► to seem ludicrous but we're doing it so [TS]

◼   ► actively and so aggressively like [TS]

◼   ► getting into kids minds trying to create [TS]

◼   ► a trying to engineer a future that we [TS]

◼   ► imagine day is better for them and and [TS]

◼   ► those kids are just like okay I guess [TS]

◼   ► you know like the contemporary versions [TS]

◼   ► of it are are something else we we think [TS]

◼   ► we've unlocked the the secret and you [TS]

◼   ► know where within my own interactions [TS]

◼   ► with my kid I try to just sit in the [TS]

◼   ► chair and listen to what she says [TS]

◼   ► there's a kid in school right now that [TS]

◼   ► hits her and every day she comes home [TS]

◼   ► and says well you know Billy hit me [TS]

◼   ► again and we're sitting here as a family [TS]

◼   ► going is the teacher not watching this [TS]

◼   ► is is he is she's saying that he's [TS]

◼   ► hitting her and he's hitting everybody [TS]

◼   ► and it's a it's I mean what she doesn't [TS]

◼   ► seem super traumatized by she just [TS]

◼   ► doesn't want to play with Billy doesn't [TS]

◼   ► understand why is hitting her [TS]

◼   ► and so today we're writing a letter to [TS]

◼   ► the teacher saying is this happening [TS]

◼   ► would you watch this would you see what [TS]

◼   ► this is [TS]

◼   ► uh-huh but yesterday I got a letter from [TS]

◼   ► two parents in the school who in my [TS]

◼   ► daughter's class and the teacher this is [TS]

◼   ► a kindergarten class the teacher has [TS]

◼   ► been assigning homework and the home and [TS]

◼   ► you bring it home and the homework is [TS]

◼   ► trace the trace the letters find the [TS]

◼   ► hippopotamus learn the following 15 [TS]

◼   ► words by sight [TS]

◼   ► you know kindergarten uh-huh and my [TS]

◼   ► daughter loves it she just it's work [TS]

◼   ► that she loves to do but there was a [TS]

◼   ► letter sent around to everybody in the [TS]

◼   ► class by two parents who obviously work [TS]

◼   ► in high-level tech world and the letter [TS]

◼   ► was 40 paragraphs long saying we don't [TS]

◼   ► think it's right that the kids be [TS]

◼   ► assigned homework because of the [TS]

◼   ► following series that we've read about [TS]

◼   ► childhood development and the nessus [TS]

◼   ► necessity of play and the danger of of [TS]

◼   ► high expectations and so forth then they [TS]

◼   ► will they ran down 40 different theories [TS]

◼   ► of childhood development that they had [TS]

◼   ► read and a big part of the letter i [TS]

◼   ► think was to illustrate all the things [TS]

◼   ► that they read and how it how and it and [TS]

◼   ► and and really wasn't communicated was [TS]

◼   ► we are a high-achieving parents and we [TS]

◼   ► want our kids to be high achievers and [TS]

◼   ► the way to get a kid to be a high [TS]

◼   ► achievers to not stress high achievement [TS]

◼   ► in them but to let them just learn and [TS]

◼   ► love and play and they were trying to [TS]

◼   ► enlist all the other parents in [TS]

◼   ► confronting the teacher about the [TS]