Ep. 220: "Find the Hippopotamus"
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about the 2016 election
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hello hi John I'm Merlin how's it going
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mmm pretty good huh
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I have a little nosh tell em who else in
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my coffee while you're eating
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yeah I always forget where you are but
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you're really johnny-on-the-spot
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johnny-on-the-spot for starting at eight
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yeah yeah there's a spot and i am
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johnnie upon it you are upon it and m
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boy I gave I gave you the signal
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yeah which is an unflagging an effect on
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inflected beep that's right right we we
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established this very early or very
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early on we would say bleep or bloop
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yeah I don't think we've discussed it
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much or ever but that's how we would
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speak to each other on the internet we
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would say blue pen blue porcelain
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doesn't such a bleep and bloop for a
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very long time not to be confused with
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gleep glorp no no I have nothing to do
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with it all you would say bleep and I
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would say blorp or vice versa and then
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we would start the show
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yeah and then it got shortened some at
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some point along the way to beep uh huh
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i would just write beep with not no
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punctuation so I sent you a beep just a
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minute ago and you immediately called me
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and i had a mouthful peanut butter
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sandwich cheese Louise I'm sorry I'm
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ok i turned a corner here's something I
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turned upon which johnny turned a corner
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yeah okay i'll share this with you ah
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you know I think there's a couple
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schools of thought well as many schools
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of thought there's many many schools of
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thought about doing things and two kinds
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yeah right two kinds of people one kind
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thinks there are many yes their schools
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yes yeah and so I I historically was was
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a variety of things that i do
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differently than other people
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something is doing the past that almost
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everybody does here's the thing most I'm
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trying to diagram with them
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okay well it's hard to describe this
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here's the thing we don't how can I put
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I don't edit this show it is it is fun
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funny and farcical to me when I see what
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my wonderful wonderful friends go
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through with editing a show and they
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proudly display all these millions of
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cuts to take out every mm and all and
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the extent of editing I've done on here
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was before I eat you
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he just started saying your daughter's
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name like a crazy person I used to try
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to bleep it then I said forget it i'm
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done with that it's too much work down a
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bleep there and then occasionally these
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episodes I just didn't put out that's
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that was my editing but it's too big
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swim lanes straight o'clock across and
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it might my thinking you know it's a yes
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and as soon as we are on the stage
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the show has begun for so let's share
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with our listeners that unless you're
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your internet brakes which it does we
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don't have a thing where we I say good
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morning John are you ready to record our
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podcast no no because that would ruin it
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because we're going to you yet that you
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gotta just you i want you to see us
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we're picking up the phone were speaking
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to each other and we don't there's no
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there's no like I don't want to kind of
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in band signal about whether you're
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ready to use your phone beep beep bloop
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and so then the other part is so I
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believe in that and and lots of people
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disagree with that because they love
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their editing I know do they love their
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editing the other thing is I used to be
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the kind of person that said when I saw
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you saw a person show up on skype skype
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at them and I'd say hi
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are you ready to record our internet
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podcast and they go yes I'm ready to
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record our internet podcast or no
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I'm almost ready to record our internet
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podcast I gotta go go make a number one
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yeah I stop stop doing that to see I
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stopped doing that so now if you did to
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me I'm like this they ok recording i
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would say yeah you know I was ready for
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yeah right i was really when I was here
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w you stop doing that with everybody is
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that what you're saying well I you know
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the let the last one was a nice to John
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siracusa yeah he's the worst he's the
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worst at this because like I he shows up
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exact exactly our point i'm always
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that's right there a problem yeah he's
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nice and he's an Italian so he shows up
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and then I used to say hi
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uh-huh you require internet podcast for
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podcasting here and right and so what
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you would turn into the penguin
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Oh Squidward but yeah and then these
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hours and then eat the we've recorded i
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don't know how many episodes 37 episodes
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of that show and he's never the first
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so all the line has been picked up he
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does not acknowledge me and so then I
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say they said and eventually I said you
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know it's funny I said to him I said
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it's funny chance acusa you never never
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yeah and then he stays quiet for a while
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oh and eventually I realized it's
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because he's one of these monsters who
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is used to being on a show that is
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edited we say hi
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are you ready to reporter internet
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podcast oh and then you do you go around
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he says everybody recording you say is
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everybody had their stuff turned off
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turn off your air conditioner and go
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through all this stuff that this show is
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what's the word energetic everything
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that happens on this show is happening
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on this show that is one hundred percent
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true that include that one conversation
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about the show everything that happens
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on this show is happening on this show
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it's all happening right it's very
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unusual for us to do anything that is
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not part of the show on the show it so
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well I can't think of a single time it's
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happened but then I've never listen
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never seen the show yeah I when I go on
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someone's when i'm on guest as a guest
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on someone else's podcast and they pick
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up they call me on the skype and I say
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hey whats up guys and they say hey John
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it's me bill and hide
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me Tony or you know they let me start by
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telling you a little about myself
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well then you know where we have I have
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guessed it on podcast where we talked
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top shelf talking at least on one end
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who and then there and then they say
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well we should get started uh i have
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almost I've almost logged off
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I've almost locked off the internet
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forever when that has happened that goes
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up are you are you are you fucking
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serious thats that's monstrous you think
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I've got 40 40 hours to do this I was
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just giving you that was that was
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already good good good shit always be
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always be taping you know just get it
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that's good because you know it's a
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potentially shows these people were
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talking about podcast but be people to
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get their outline and they get their
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banter and get the bit like and get
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explain to you how old this little for
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you come on we're going to describe who
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you are and we're going to talk about
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that and you know I when I went on a car
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ride one time with a couple of the
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couple of people from the internet this
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was a this is a car ride IRL
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oh dear ok arm and they were in town to
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do a live version of their podcast these
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are people that we know you know what
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I'm saying oh these are some people that
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ok so we're driving we were driving
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around after their live podcast show and
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they were talking to one another that
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are still performing let's be honest
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they don't even off the stage for an
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hour we are we were on our way to an
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ihop to it which is for those of you in
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other countries it's the International
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House of Pancakes ironic
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yeah so if you don't have a hops there
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you must not have international pancakes
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in your country probably flying i think
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it's called flag of convenience right
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well the flag of convenience of
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international house of pancakes is if
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you recall all the flags who released
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all the scandinavian legs who remember
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the original the original branding was
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like like all the flags skin maybe I
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remember that feeling
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like a what kind of a kind of house we
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call a frame that it had a kind of
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Scandinavian feel to it and I remember
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they had a variety of syrups on the
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table they did they did and the roof was
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was was an a-frame in order to for the
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snow to slide off in the in their home
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country of Scandinavia where
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International House of Pancakes surely
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started just like haagen-dazs ice cream
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yes is a great scandinavian brand who
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imported directly from scanning that's
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right and not at all made in a suburb of
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New Jersey whatever and I remember when
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you know International House of Pancakes
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it is for me dated to a time back when
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certain kinds of chain fast food was
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still fancy remember when absolutely we
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had like.we chain called bill Knapp's
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and was kind of like upscale ok nappp
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and it was kind of like a slightly make
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nicer than Perkins but like slightly
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upscale chain comfort food but it's like
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where you got places to go after church
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if you didn't go to the cafeteria you go
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to one of these kinds of places bob
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evans is another woman Bob Evans bob
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evans that's a quality brand
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yep and i want to be I want to be called
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Bob map from now on
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Bob naps built up your bill maps I feel
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like that's a that's a super good
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internet handle high my hand building
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outcome our guest this week we're gonna
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bring bill Knapp's anyway i'm driving
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with these guys yet always you get
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started i was driving with these guys
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and they were talking that this was not
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a thing that they didn't solicit my
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opinion but they were like yeah you know
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the thing about our podcast that makes
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it so successful is that where you know
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we both come from radio yeah this is the
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best not cast and so we know what we
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know what people want to hear we know
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how to make podcasts because II came
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from radio and the thing you know one
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thing I can't stand the other guys like
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what what I can't stand those podcast
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was just two guys talking and they don't
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and.and I was sitting there sitting on
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my hands at this point who I had a lot
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of pop in so i wouldn't talk
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yep and they went on a 10-minute screen
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about how podcast that are edited are
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just the worst like crime against the
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listener because people want crafted
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radio people want podcast that are
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crafted handcrafted and hand and I was
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just I was sitting there like well shit
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no no hard part is pretty fun it's fun
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to do that went with you know and up
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until this point
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Merlin up until this point we have never
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spoken about we've never spoken with
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pride about the lack of work that we put
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into this podcast i think a lot of
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people think you're supposed to be
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ashamed of not working
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boy you should listen to my speech I
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gave it XOXO this year
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oh yeah that's right so that all right
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oh yes yes so there's the podcast CD
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with me that you don't listen to write
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that you are you felt bad you thought it
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was I think your phrase we were
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illegitimate it was jimit legitimate all
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the work that I do that is the best is
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also work that I feel is legitimate but
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that's a whole other everybody should go
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I don't know if that speech is even
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online yet it is it online I haven't
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checked it ok i'll look that up
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no it's not that you have to check it
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would just come down your timeline right
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it would just end up in your feet at the
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MIT our primary TL yeah yeah on your
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I see I i enjoy unlike I think I'm like
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you you seem like you don't really
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listen to podcast at all do you
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I mean less unless it's something but
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for a reason it's not part of your
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workflow you're not a big podcast person
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for the most part until well let's see
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let me think about this now for a second
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if I can still say this i believe i can
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still say that I have never heard a
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podcast ok i listened to our an
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irresponsible number of podcasts that
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are often very very different types and
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kinds of podcasts where I mean
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especially with this particular I don't
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talk about politics but with this
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particular season i have adopted
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half-a-dozen really good luck
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cast about politics that our second ago
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I'm sorry to interrupt now everything
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that's on the show is on the show and
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secondly when you said types and pop
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kinds of podcast was that a sort of
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insider podcast way of saying that some
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kinda haha like you know me feel like
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I'm gonna let you wonder it's like types
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and island types and kinds of podcast
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but I also let's do thai it's like
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saying things like fam like you just
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assume that somebody's vernacular that
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must mean something
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damn they say fam and then other people
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safe and because they heard other people
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say fam earlier this day when when i
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wrote you earlier this day that's good
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right that's my daughter just a moment
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just a moment earlier this day when are
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we going to eat this day earlier this
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day when i wrote you a text and I said
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can we start recording a half an hour
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later than we normally do and you said
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what did I right back you said too many
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things one of them was TTYL which I
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think well I taught your you i'm sorry
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you taught me that
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TTYL you had to go to urban dictionary
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to figure out what you're saying be
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careful on that site content was the
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other one wasn't like i said there's a
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bazillion or something what did you say
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stuff should be in a house and my
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version of how much stuff should be in
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houses as much stuff as the house can
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contain who and her version is the
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opposite right as little stuff as a
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house can contain if you walk into a
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room it should have a couch in it or it
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should have something to justify itself
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the room should announce what its
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purposes and it should justify itself by
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by its contents but as a few contents as
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and so she decided that she was going
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now to go into the basement which is a
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space that I think should be an archive
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and she was ready to get rid of stuff
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and so I i came into her house i sat
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down on the on the on the the knockdown
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chair that we've had since I was in high
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hey what's up and she said oh I'm glad
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you're here and then she goes into the
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room and she plops a bin ab in from a
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bin store the plastic bin full of cds
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this and I go boy
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what is this about and she said I'm
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getting rid of all these cds and I want
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you to go through and take the ones out
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that you want like Tom these cds belong
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in the basement that's not necessary
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that you go through these and if you are
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going to go through them you should go
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through them when you're 85 years old
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but alright i'll go through these cds
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and the bin just contain CDs that start
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with a and B they're not it's just like
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the beginning of this enormous
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collection of CDs cowboy and so I start
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going through them and I realized that I
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have a collection it contained within
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these cds of every album released
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between 1998 and 2007 like every single
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one that you get gates you you get down
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what's the word on comps but a
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pre-release you know
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yeah kinda stuff right and and some of
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them are some of them are very unique
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like the first band of horses album i
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have the demos of when the band was
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still called horses and ben bridwell
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said hey I want you to listen to the
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demo of my new band the songs that I'm
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working on and it is all the songs of
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the first band of horses record with him
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scatting over them it's the same exact
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melodies of the tunes mom but he did
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have the lyrics yet so it's like you
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know seven never dabbled a bit too
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badoo badoo know that song he had the
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layer he had at least 100 but you know
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there's a lot of scouting on it and he
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was a guy that was onion bear
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just about have a hanging about handing
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his best friend I mean people he knows
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this CD like with scouting on it because
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he was so proud of it already
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like I have documents that are better
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very very interesting of lots of bands
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that sent me early copies that I ever
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tell you about the time i was i was
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there i was i played a show in montreal
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and and these kids came up after the
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show and they handed me their their CD
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right right and then they became the
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band that wave the wave their flags and
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played the typewriter that's right they
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had drumsticks on the helmet that's
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right drumsticks on now
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ok some other ones were the thinking
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when they came back wah john they were
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yeah there were some of them are typical
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they spoke with the adorable from
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Jackson's they were young kids at the
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time and they were like with you know we
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want you to hear this we love your show
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we want you to hear this demo and then I
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became like a very big very big band so
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I have a lot of things like that in
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addition to every every release all of
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them you know cut out since them and my
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mom pops this bin down in front of me
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and I realize and then she starts
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talking about them talking about the
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record and I realized that she has
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listened to all of these albums she's
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gone through what
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listen to them put them into her itunes
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put the CD into her computer loaded into
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our itunes put the song on her ipod mini
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and you can listen to it at least once
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and then she wrote a review of it on a
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post-it note and stuck the review to the
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CD and the reviews are often like tunis
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yell p soft rock you think she was doing
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it to jog her memory or to just be have
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some closure with that particular item
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yeah i think it was a little ways that
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note for that's a good question i think
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ultimately it was for me because again
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my mom doesn't she
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they're the same consumptive habits that
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i do and she was trying to make it
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easier for me to listen to this music
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and if it was tuneless yell p soft rock
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she put that on their kind of to save me
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the trouble but the problem is that
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tuneless yell p soft rock maybe at would
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be something that I would think is good
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because she has different taste tonight
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sure and so but the primary difference
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is that i'm never gonna listen to those
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records i have listened to like four
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percent of the records that are in this
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bin and mostly it is the four percent of
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I mean it's bad it's almost that I've
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heard the songs of four percent of these
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bands because the ones that I've heard
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are ones that have toured with or seen
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I i hardly ever put a CD in a machine to
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listen to it or listen to a man mp3 now
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so I'm going through this and I'm seeing
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that i actually had an enormous slice of
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the culture that I was actually a part
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of I had not just access but ownership
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of this this wall of cds or groom of CJ
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your witness to history
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I i have a possessor of history i have
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the amber the hair with amber eyes here
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and I did not consume it and now it
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feels like too late to consume it i'm
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playing cds and I'm like I remember this
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this was the band you know this was this
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band from modesto that one of the
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members was you know formerly dated the
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younger brother of one of the members
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one of the later members of grandaddy or
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whatever this was the guy that that this
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was the CD of the bartender at the
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mercury lounge and I'm going through and
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I'm just like well the only ones of
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these that i want to keep frankly are
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like everyone so while you pull out on
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Sam Cooke record you like I could keep
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this sam cooke record
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you know the greatest hits of lynyrd
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skynyrd gotta get going to keep gold and
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platinum and i sent the rest into you
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know into the river because my moms
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cleaning it out i don't want to bring
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these things home to my house I know I'm
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never going to listen to them is really
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and I'm i stand amazed you pull this off
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baby you're amazed maybe i'm amazed with
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the way you got rid of those cds all the
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well ends and so but I was sitting there
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a little bit covered in shame my 82
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year-old mother had a better sense of
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what a much better sense of what indie
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rock in 2001 was then I but as far as
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the recorded output of it than I ever
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everything that came across my bow she
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took because she was looking she was
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curious and she was looking to develop
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her musical tastes and she wanted to
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know what was happening in the in the
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indie rock world that I inhabited and I
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like I have no context for i don't i
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don't know what she experienced in that
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and now right now she's super into Myles
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Kennedy who is in a band
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who's the singer of a band featuring at
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least two members of creed my and so she
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listen she puts myles kennedy on it's
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like she's eclectic she decided at one
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point that slash's snakepit was good in
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she said should I listen to Crede and I
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said no and she said I think I'm going
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to ignore your advice and she went and
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listened to accrete album and she said
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this guy sounds like an asshole but this
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music is great and I said that is the
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consensus of a lot of people some people
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can't get past the fact that this guy
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they can't even appreciate the like
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Duncan jump.john of the tunes and she
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was like that's you know I think the
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band is good and I think this asshole at
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least is this good singer and so she
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bought all the Creed records and she's
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walking around I'm sure right now she's
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out for a walk with her ipod mini
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listening to creed and so on the one
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hand she's listen to all indie rock
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music that was ever made but on the
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other hand that has delivered her unto
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Creed whereas I never listen to any of
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that music and so I am I'm absolved
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there listening to creat she's but she's
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having a more pure experience of the
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music as a as its own thing
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orderly orderly peaceful fair yet she
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has no sense of like this band belongs
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these people are from this part of the
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country which is instead of like that
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this person told me to not touch the
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craft services or I know I know the real
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deal with this guy
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she'sshe's unburdened by your insider
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knowledge as a professional and as a
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kind of fan but like somebody in the
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industry she's unburdened by that burned
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by that and also unburdened by what what
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John Flansburg used to call trouble
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kicking indie rock which was when it
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she doesn't even contextualize it within
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the history of rock
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she's just listens to every album more
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or less with it with a clean slate
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she puts it in and she's like I mean I
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don't even I don't even think she looks
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at the cover and sees how put a bird on
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it some of these bands are she doesn't
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go in prejudiced like a lot of the bands
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i'm flipping through the cds i watch the
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i was i'm watching just from the covers
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the rise and fall of put a bird on it
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birds a lot of those records where the
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band would never in a million years put
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a picture of themselves anywhere on the
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record for any information about
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themselves at all because that would I
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don't know what say something about them
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but by not doing it they are very
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definitely saying something about them
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and i'm watching these cds go by and I
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see quiet is the new laughs
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would go up and down icy loud as the new
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quiet common go and so I have all this
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this historic context and in a way i'm
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them good just as just going through a
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bit of the A's and B's and then the next
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time I come to her how she plops down a
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never heard it with the sea season the
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season nuts i don't know i never knew
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day of icing did you ever get ice
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period somewhere back there in the
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mid-2000s where some beer that was
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called ice ice beer
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oh the ice beer era ice beer area
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getting but ice right and to be iced was
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a pretty one of these ice beers was
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particularly terrible and even maybe use
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a keystone know wasn't it wasn't that it
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was terrible because it was cheap
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it was terrible not maybe not only
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because it was cheap but because of it
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was just terrible
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I don't remember why because I don't
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drink beer okay but to be iced was to
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walk up to somebody and take a knee bend
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down and hold up this brand of ice beer
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which it's kind of like the ice bucket
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challenge now that a person has been
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down and handed you this ice beer you
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have to drink it you have to drink this
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terrible beer which everybody agreed was
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terrible and then you had to then then
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you were tagged you had to go ice
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somebody else I saw this go down
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I saw this go down many times backstage
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this and and then you know some whenever
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somebody would try to ice me I would ice
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going on that's going to be using the DS
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everyone pass everyone that passes
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guilt at not having listened to and not
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having because some of them I'm sure our
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changed me that he still had posted
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notes at this point a some of them do
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some of the post-it notes have been and
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when I find a stack of my mom's post-it
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notes that are detached from the thing
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remarks about things
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book just of her post it no saying you
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put things away and I couldn't find them
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where things are over there already put
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table underneath some other things that
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she thinks it's not put away enough it's
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not put away and if it has to go in the
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and so she would put something away but
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then she would leave me a post-it note
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saying the thing that you're looking for
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breadcrumb trail and if I didn't
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immediately go and retrieve that thing
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constantly in motion and I find those
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still all the time because a lot of
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those post-it notes I didn't want to
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throw away and so I put them in an
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interest in a stack of thing haha whoa
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yeah so I'm going through a stack of
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yeah and I and I think do I keep this
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note because it's so that must drive her
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crazy she's hosted by our own petard
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she is or do i get rid of the note now
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that it's meaningless but if i start if
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I stopped and got rid of every
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meaningless note like how would I how
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would I recognize my own path
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well I mean what what we mean by
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believe me these insensible notes that
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are describing / need to move my things
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into drawers and i would love I would
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love a record of that I don't blame you
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i mean i keep I keep garbage like that I
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keep like my wife must mix our daughters
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lunches now but in the time when I was
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making lunches a lot i would always have
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taken index card i put a sticker on it
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I would always do and I say about the
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character sticker and I try to say
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something clever that was really just a
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dad joke you know be thorne would say
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enjoy I lunch or whatever and just
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really stupid stuff but I save those and
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i'm glad i am glad i did that for me
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it's not for her they're not
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particularly clever right well she was
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like four years old and couldn't read ya
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better policy really good reader no well
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I imagine knowing she's just really
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really good reader now I think being a
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good reader is better than being good
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sports oh please
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but not everybody shares that feeling hi
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now some people think that being a good
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sports is better is it more important
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more important to be smarter kind or is
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that is that a nonequivalent an unfair
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well that could put that in easier ways
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for you actually say it could say is it
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better to test well or be a good person
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Anjali deliberately leaving a little bit
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wavy gravy they were talking about this
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on the national public radio today and
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I'm thinking about it a little bit i
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mean do we need to we need more kindness
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I feel that we have we have a little bit
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of kindness over our kindness overload
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right now because it's not politeness
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this is kindness kindness
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well yeah because the definition of
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kindness is moving target
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well see here's the thing they talked
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about on the National Public Radio and I
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thought this was a nice distinction a
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bully you take a bully you take a lien
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on scut Farkus but let's say taking
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Eddie Haskell think of all mrs. cleaver
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man ran like a bully can be extremely
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polite but is not very kind
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well sure but you can you can be the you
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can be kind you can attempt to be kind
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and what what ends up happening with a
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lot of kindness is that you are
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presuming to know what other people need
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your presuming to know what other people
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need and what what they want or what to
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expect even or what they expect
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and so I see this a lot in our in our
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current culture people are presuming to
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act on behalf of other people and
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generally motivated by a desire to be
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kind but but what ends up happening is
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that they are imposing their worldview
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they're taking other people's agency in
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a lot of ways are there they are
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presuming that what the person needs is
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them an unrelated person behaving a
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certain way and real kindness which is
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just going I mean going through life and
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acting kindly is a thing that doesn't
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need to be talked about on NPR it's not
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a thing that we need to write think
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pieces about how we need more
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it because it's the things piece
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inspires people who are looking for
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accolades who are imagining that they
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are saintly who are trying to trying to
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change the course of the culture in ways
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they think the culture need needs to be
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changed and kindness is a thing that you
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i think some people have and some people
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are forced to have huh
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but and the people that have it are our
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kind and and and I and I think a lot of
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it really as a parent now I see things
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like that being present innately in
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children where they haven't been taught
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it there are there are children i met
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when they were one and a half years old
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that we're already intrinsically kind
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and there were children that were awful
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and it wasn't a thing that their parents
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had any effect on it was just like Oh
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apparently God thought the world needed
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another unkind person and so he made
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this one check and then he needed some
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more kind people and so he made these
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but but ice i see people assuming that
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they're kinda assuming that their
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kindness is needed and a lot of them are
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any Haskell's and they decided it could
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be it can be a kind of
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passive-aggressive or even aggressive
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yeah because then you get to put your
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frame on how this situation is happening
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yeah when you're when you're under the
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guise of being kind of being in or being
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yeah right that people i mean i think i
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think one of the most common problems
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that people interacting with one another
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is that um and and again that there are
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there are lots and lots of extra verts
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in the world who aren't thinking this
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much about interaction they're just
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being and when you talk to a lot of
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introverted people who / think their
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interactions they will say I don't trust
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extroverts because they aren't neurotic
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of intelligence and without Charlotte at
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least thoughts on this platform this but
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I'm you know a thoughtful in a sense if
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you think about things and thinking
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about things is how we describe
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intelligence you know like that yeah I
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mean you know what i mean like i do but
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i think there's a difference between
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book intelligence and emotional
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intelligence and i think i'm not
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advocating for yes thought I'm just
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um thinking a lot about introversion
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these days well yeah I mean because I
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because I'm i have self-identified as
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one and so introverts now talk to me
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about it but uh but what I what I see
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people doing is they are they're
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imagining that their behavior is
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important and whether or not they are
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racist or not a racist is important in
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the world and what they're doing a lot
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of cases is leaping ahead of the present
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predicting the future and I'm talking
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about even in immediate terms like
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predicting the future of this engagement
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15 minutes from now imagining in that
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future there the other person the person
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they're talking to and trying to move
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the experience move the interaction in
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the direction of what they think the
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future should be rather than letting the
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interaction unfold and so they are you
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know they're trying to behave in a
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certain way to produce a certain outcome
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which they have arrived at and are now
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trying to accomplish as a form of being
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kind to this person or sensitive to them
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and their needs but they're also not be
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a very good improviser they're not
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improvising and they're not and what
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they're ultimately doing is trying to
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take control and trying to and they am
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and I think in this process they imagine
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that they know better what the other
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person needs then the person themselves
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is it possible they are not aware
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they're doing that its absolute I think
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they're in most cases they're not and i
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think it derives a lot of time from
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teachers and parents having listened to
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an NPR piece about how we need more
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kindness and then they interact with
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it's light mischaracterization but allow
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it's you know like the think piece on
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how we need more kindness it was about
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it was about ruminating on nevermind go
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ahead but there's a lot of this in the
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culture their billboards now that's a
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like we need to combat bullying and i
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think that at one level and we you and I
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have talked about this and in terms of
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your own daughters experience in school
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like yes we need to combat bullying
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I you know it in in the sense that we
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don't tolerate bullying but what ends up
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happening is that we're leaping ahead
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and and stand addressing students who
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aren't bullies addressing the the wide
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spectrum of people with the goal of
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eradicated bullying which is bullying is
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not a single thing it's not a it's not a
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certain kind of behavior like it's a
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mentality it's a it's something
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intrinsic to humans it some kids and
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again I've seen two-year-olds that were
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just born bullies but in this in this
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desire to not have bullying affect the
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sensitive kids we're making these
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blanket assumptions about how people
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interact trying to head them off at the
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pass and so then we create kids who are
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self editing editing their friends you
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know vigilant over vigilant over things
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that could potentially be bullying and
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creating not necessarily a culture of
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kindness but a culture of
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hyper-vigilance about other people's
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behavior and about potential outcomes of
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interactions that aren't really even
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sewn in the interaction they're not
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they're not present there there only
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present in the prognostication and so
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you know part part part of it is from
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part of it is that in our drive to
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eradicate this thing we all agree is bad
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we end up artificially rerouting a lot
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of how people operate with each other is
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that that's part of it
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well yeah because I mean you're charging
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young kids with the authority to know to
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look at it in you to look at an
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interaction between people and and and
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try and headed off identify behaviors as
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as certain kind of behavior behaviors
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that are in Psychological silo and
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you're teaching kids and I missing
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whether I agree disagree but I just
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clarify its also it also seems like be
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careful with that kind of stuff because
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you're creating a new kind of pattern
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matching machine
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yeah right i mean you're you're
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encouraging your ears you're encouraging
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people for whether it's a good better
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whatever reason or outcome that you're
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looking for you are in the same way that
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like high-stakes testing makes kids
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won't have to be good at tests in this
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case you're encouraging a certain kind
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of pattern matching that on somebody
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using equipment that maybe isn't
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completely developed yet right or and it
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was even capable of being developed like
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my personal version of it dating back to
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wanted sex and pretended to understand
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what love was in order to accomplish sex
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and women wanted love and they pretended
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to enjoy sex in order to get love and it
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was a completely simple reduction of the
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truth in order to exploit
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truth in order to exploit
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Ain a perception of the gulf between men
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and women that was a product of the kind
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feminist revolution of the late sixties
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early seventies and so that was
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transmitted to me as a young person in
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the seventies and transmitted to me in
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the hope that I would not be this type
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of person that if we could reach a
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generation of young men and say this is
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the this is the this is our perception
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of the of the conditions currently and
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if you know about it and you are and
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it's explained to you and it's explained
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to you that this isn't something we want
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to recapitulate then we can interrupt
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this long-standing resort patriarchal
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pattern and what it produced in me was
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when i was sitting in interacting with
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girls in my in my early days i was
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trying to head this tendency off at the
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pass and say listen I don't just want
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sex from you i do want to experience
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love and I want to be there for you in
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the ways that you want me to be there
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and in a lot of cases that was just
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it wasn't a description of what was
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happening at all it was the best thing
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that my parents generation could come up
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with to describe what they proceed but
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in a lot of instances the girls i was
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interacting with as a teenager
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we're saying what no I just want to
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experiment with sex
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I'm excited about it and I just want to
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play in that space and I was like I know
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you think that but this is part of our
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indoctrination and what we really need
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to do is and by that time a lot of those
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people had already gotten up out of the
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chair and we're going to somebody else
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to talk to them and hope hope that next
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person might just give them some sex
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and for many many years my own
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development was inhibited by what by the
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job that I'd been given by adult humans
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who thought they understood what human
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interactions were and thought they had a
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formula and all we needed to do is teach
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our kids and i created more problems
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both in my own life and for other people
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because i wasn't leaping ahead in our
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interaction to a time when the girl was
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sitting sobbing because all I wanted was
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sex you know like I imagined that I knew
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better than they did what they wanted in
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the future and so I see in our culture
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now another iteration of that we can
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never know in our own time
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how ridiculous we're going to look to
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people 30 years from now and our
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understanding of what we need and what
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and how much we can intervene is going
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to seem ludicrous but we're doing it so
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actively and so aggressively like
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getting into kids minds trying to create
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a trying to engineer a future that we
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imagine day is better for them and and
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those kids are just like okay I guess
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you know like the contemporary versions
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of it are are something else we we think
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we've unlocked the the secret and you
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know where within my own interactions
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with my kid I try to just sit in the
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chair and listen to what she says
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there's a kid in school right now that
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hits her and every day she comes home
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and says well you know Billy hit me
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again and we're sitting here as a family
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going is the teacher not watching this
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is is he is she's saying that he's
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hitting her and he's hitting everybody
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and it's a it's I mean what she doesn't
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seem super traumatized by she just
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doesn't want to play with Billy doesn't
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understand why is hitting her
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and so today we're writing a letter to
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the teacher saying is this happening
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would you watch this would you see what
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uh-huh but yesterday I got a letter from
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two parents in the school who in my
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daughter's class and the teacher this is
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a kindergarten class the teacher has
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been assigning homework and the home and
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you bring it home and the homework is
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trace the trace the letters find the
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hippopotamus learn the following 15
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you know kindergarten uh-huh and my
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daughter loves it she just it's work
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that she loves to do but there was a
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letter sent around to everybody in the
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class by two parents who obviously work
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in high-level tech world and the letter
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was 40 paragraphs long saying we don't
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think it's right that the kids be
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assigned homework because of the
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following series that we've read about
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childhood development and the nessus
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necessity of play and the danger of of
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high expectations and so forth then they
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will they ran down 40 different theories
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of childhood development that they had
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read and a big part of the letter i
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think was to illustrate all the things
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that they read and how it how and it and
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and and really wasn't communicated was
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we are a high-achieving parents and we
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want our kids to be high achievers and
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the way to get a kid to be a high
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achievers to not stress high achievement
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in them but to let them just learn and
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love and play and they were trying to
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enlist all the other parents in
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confronting the teacher about the
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homework and and applying this like huge
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file folder of child development
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theories on a kindergarten teacher who's
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been doing it for 20 years and they
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wanted us all to sign onto this letter
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and you know we read the letter and it
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was like well gee our daughter really
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love doing that homework like didn't she
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also loves to play uh I don't feel
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comfortable signing onto letter i'm not
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opposed to you know write write whatever
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so yeah but I am I guess I'm I'm a
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little bit more like it if my kid was
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going around hitting people and i found
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out about it I'd sit her down and have a
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talk with her that we don't hit people
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but i don't think i would write a letter
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to all the other parents about like you
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know the theory of what to do when a
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child had some hits another child to get
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started you'll start show
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yeah we should get that we should get
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what's going on uh yeah super-good
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Merlin thanks for being on the podcast
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this is terrific let me start by telling
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you a little about myself
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do you have a outline of how you like
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this to go that's terrific
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my background is in content and in
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helping brands to express their brand
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eNOS with regard to content both earn
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content owner and content viral content
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are you going to be talking long enough
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that I can take a bite of this sandwich
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what you're talking about which I'll
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push the movie that's super but I don't
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know man I too much for me to get into
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MLG I'm gonna let you have this one boy
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I got my thoughts I got thoughts buddy I
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know you do I know you do
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I'll have i'll give you thought that we
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may not argue about and now this without
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experiment it's not even thought
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technology i'll just i'll say this
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snarkily and then walk away i like this
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stink bomb and walk away
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glad you like homework boy there's more
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well i don't personally hope you love it
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everybody were a lot of tier Chris I
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don't like homework as evidenced by the
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fact that i never did any of my own
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homework makes it very difficult this is
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a whole nother show as they say but yeah
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my homework that's a hell of a thing but
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you know it has everything I do think is
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you you you said something I agreed
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within their which is the part about
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outside it's really fucking hard to be a
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teacher and two and to be a teacher who
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has been through this and has this is
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this is not their first day as you like
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to say they've dealt with a lot of kids
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that were not just your special angel
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but they have they know from kids like
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they have done this for years and i
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always try to bear that in mind whenever
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i'm about to insert whatever about to go
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in email link to something i saw on the
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Atlantic I'm very circumspect about
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doing that because i think it's
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something people do and I bet it's not
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as useful as it feels and it for
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situations like that i am not saying I'm
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good at this but something I try to do
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if there's something I don't understand
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or something I and you know let's be
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honest a lot of times things that we
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don't like are ultimately things we
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don't understand especially when it
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involves something like it's cool
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because we don't know that place runs
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but we should have our records about how
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it works but if there's something I
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don't understand i have i have learned
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to do a couple things and this doesn't
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happen that often but let's let's say
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it's a concern or it's a record or
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something but one thing I do is I go in
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person like if I'm back to come and get
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every day so one nice thing is to go in
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person and then to ask a question and a
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question that you you think you can
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trick somebody in answering a certain
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way leading but you go and yet you ask a
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question like I go to the after school
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program and I say hey you know
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um is it you think there's any way that
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you could let us know if you guys are
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going to be at the playground till five
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just because that kind of throws us off
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in terms of what we're doing if we gotta
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go you know that kind of thing and
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they'll say well you know we thought
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about doing that something you want to
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say you know just if it's not hard but
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also you know I want to understand why
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you do it the way you do and that I I
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hope I don't sound like a dick when I do
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that because I actually i'm really
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trying to seek to learn and when
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homework becomes hours and hours of
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tears and night we went to the teacher
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and we asked about it and we got a lot
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of illuminating information we would not
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have gotten just from our daughter and
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from the handout but every time i do
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that i don't know if I'm why do they
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give tier inducing amounts of homework
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um I think there are many reasons so
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just as the one thought which is just
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that I don't know if that increment
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improves their relationship with me but
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I definitely feel like improve my
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relationship with them when I go in and
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I talked to the teacher and I say like I
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don't understand what's going on here
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let me just give you that going your
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doctor and like telling them what kind
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of cancer you have the fire like you
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don't have cancer you just need to walk
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like no no I'm pretty sure I have this
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thing I printed out from WebMD and I i
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do i'm not sayin I'm great at it and I
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certainly I but I genuinely like the
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people at this school and when I go
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there I do try to make it an opportunity
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to like you know first listen and find
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out what's going on before you make a
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lot of assumptions about one thing
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you're doing this but that's something I
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struggle god dammit why you're always
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fucking homework every night and then
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it's useful sometimes to go and ask and
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then to say hey just see you know like
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we're having a lot of drama about this
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homework and I want to understand what
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part of this is important to do well
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right thoroughly correct because the
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front do every stitch of homework
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perfectly my child will no longer have
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any time between Stockholm at that time
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this is my question to you he has
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somebody who's who's ahead of me in the
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parenting game let's just say you're
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down you're further down the line your
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further up the ladder right you only
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have certain number of lives parenting
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lives you need to live with to live
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yeah right and I have a lot more
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parenting lives to live but what are the
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consequences of not doing
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the homework that is upsetting only
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doing the homework that is interesting
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when you're in third grade
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are they not going to advance you are
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you going to be in trouble
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well I mean unless it's like like so
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many things in life I imagine it's the
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parents concerned anxiety that gets
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passed on to the kid liked for the kid
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is just a sheet in a folder and a
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request for us it's like it's a lot of
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hand-wringing and so it should this you
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are we focusing on filling up this whole
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area where all the lines are production
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is that is that really important like
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does it need to be this long longer does
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the spelling need to be right should we
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be worrying about the grammar do you
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have to color in the picture as well as
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drawn now you're asking you're saying
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yourself that's insane i could do that
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I know believe me I know it's it's
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something i could do I could do that
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homework in two minutes but I'm years
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old and this is and so it does become
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gets to be thursday night you get the
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homework assignments due on Friday
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morning and we have found out from asked
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talking to other folks we are not the
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only ones that have had some very very
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stressful wednesdays and thursdays why
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isn't there what is it for
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I'm not entirely sure and sometimes it
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seems like this is not a reflection of
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our score the teachers of the staff but
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this is just from time to time it's it
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really feels like busywork it's
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something somebody got off the internet
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and they printed out and then xerox
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something together them to assign
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sometimes it has typographical errors
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drives me crazy and the spellings and
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sometimes it has incredibly unclear
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instructions that if we're blind of what
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they have really wish my kids would get
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is like how important history the
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instructions because if you don't read
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the instructions you you know just read
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the instructions because you can read
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the manual i do but here's the thing
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there's three sentences that describe
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what you're supposed to do here if you
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just glance the headline that says story
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about your summer you might really miss
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out on what they're looking for here so
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this i think this does become a good
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testing skill to so you're describing my
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kid to go do a different picture because
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person like no no you gotta go redo that
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tabularasa and so if we treat them all
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we produce uniform outcomes and knowing
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your daughter just a little bit that I
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do it's possible that she's like me born
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to not read the instructions now and
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maybe there's a way that you can teach
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her to read them there was no way to
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teach me to read the instructions my mom
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reads the instructions compulsively she
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tried every method to get me to read the
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instructions and it just wasn't possible
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because that's not how I was made and
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fifth grade until the presence every
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Sunday night I was consumed by fear and
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self-loathing that I had not finished
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absolutely and I remember sit because we
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saturdays and sundays we were scheme and
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friday nights and friday night i would
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be skiing night scheme which is the best
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kind of scheme and I'd be thinking what
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point this weekend and then friday night
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we would have hot chocolate and we would
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sit around the fire and I wouldn't do
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the homework and then all day saturday
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i'd be skiing and thinking mostly
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thinking on the chairlift right because
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when you're skiing you're not thinking
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about your homework you're thinking
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about not falling but then you have all
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this time to sit on the chair left and I
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waiting in the cold and that was time
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you've really got to finish that
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homework but then there would be relief
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it's only saturday you're fine
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like you'll get it done it will happen
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magically at some point saturday night
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we would party sunday night or sunday
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day its fine there's still time and then
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sunday night skiing every week it would
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yeah i'm going to get down I'm gonna
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take off my skis I'm gonna take off my
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boots we're going to get in the car
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we're going to drive home by which point
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it will be seven o'clock and then from
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seven o'clock until whenever I collapse
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i have to write a 10-page paper on the
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life of a sell it and i don't know and i
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have never read any I don't know
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anything about the life of a cell it's
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feeling of not having it done had such a
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much larger effect on my life as an
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much larger effect on my childhood and
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the quality of my childhood then it ever
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specific knowledge of a general
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knowledge about a ton of things somehow
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it's very important to us as adults that
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the cell and if you don't you're going
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to get an F and all the other work
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reading you've done not only negated but
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heart when it becomes a kind of
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trying to figure it out because I mean I
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know that's very important to learn
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that we don't want to do it just it's
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very hard for me to really get my back
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into it when I think it's bullshit
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yesterday like just for fun I mean like
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quickly and she retains and like there
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writing when I was little because he did
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paragraph essay and that's never how my
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brain work it wasn't and I
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writing at all but it didn't i didn't
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know I was really little but like I was
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more excited to like make the book out
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of like wallpaper and stuff like that
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to like it but I also realized that
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people are trying they were trying
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useful information by showing me the
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right way to do this but travelers
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clarity but you're absolutely right i
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was probably have full it's just not
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what I needed to be full of for them and
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it made me neurotic it made me anxious
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it made me feel a little bit shameful
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that was not performing as well as I
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should and i knew i was supposed to feel
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bad about that and that was the point
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yeah I always assume that when you
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talked about index cards and you use and
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versions of our shows that there was
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something deeply ironic about it that
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your use of index cards was was
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connected to a failure to have used
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index cards when it was required of you
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in in tenth grade I never thought of it
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that way but it could be but also
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remember the use of index cards and this
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grinding you have a box with your index
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cards and you go and you have to write
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your is going to be the notes on this
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book and you have to write the title
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authors note this way and then I'm going
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to do this on the back in this way and
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the the shit that you're doing to to
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like basically allows your brain now
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creative stuff to get all the stuff out
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prescriptive process that has very very
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little room in it for how you actually
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you'd like to draw a picture first
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that i could put literally anything on
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and do literally anything with was very
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continues to be very free huh
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started my turn up they but my immediate
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challenge the the Jewish run media na
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started a new york times started liar
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started 22 to teach me how to write a
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report for college because that was an
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unimpeachable a plan right
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child is crying every Sunday about these
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reports the teacher the eighth grade
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teacher can say well this is the level
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told you before that my eighth-grade
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teacher required that all of our reports
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be written in pen because that was what
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was required in college and if you wrote
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in pencil she wouldn't accept the report
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and so I wrote my report including the
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life of a cell in pencil and those
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reports were not accepted and I got an F
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because the primary thing she wanted was
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for well for the for the rules to be
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followed exactly you didn't you didn't
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instructions you follow the instructions
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i read them she said then every time she
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put a big red elf on my page she said I
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told you then these need to be in pencil
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going to give and what ended up
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happening when I was in college was what
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I'd always done which was I read the
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book I never wrote a single thing down I
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never underlined or bracketed a single
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passage i read the book I thought about
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the thing was good and the teacher liked
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it and I got an A and I didn't really
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footnote things very well it wasn't you
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know it wasn't done correctly I never
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touched a single note card but this
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eighth grade teacher thought she was
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helping me be a better college senior
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and what it turned out was everything
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went through college the way I was going
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to go through college I chose the
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classes i was going to choose my
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teachers all had peace sign belt buckles
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said look I can't do these footnotes
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way but you're supposed to they were
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like oh man don't worry about it
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quality your work is really high love
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reading your piece and you know I found
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the path that was meant for me but in
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eighth grade I was consumed by shame
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ending ends and anxiety because i
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couldn't do it wasn't that I didn't know
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how it wasn't that I hadn't it hadn't
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been explained to me enough times it
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wasn't that that I hadn't been punished
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enough times it was that the punishment
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the shame punishment and the bad grade
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punishment and everything that went
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along with that was not sufficient to
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cause me to be a different person than I
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still walk around with the after effect
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of having spent eight years as a child
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being told by every adult that I
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encountered that I was doing it wrong
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it's no different than developing a
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often say habits are like muscles like
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whatever it is you do the most is what
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whether it's right or wrong and
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different but if if every if everything
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that you face is just a recapitulation
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of how disappointing you are you can
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help internalized that
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yeah well and and imagine that you're a
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huge disappointment everybody the rest
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of your life which is which is something
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not a disappointment
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I feel like I'm a disappointment to you
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other program this week that you also it
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has found not a disappointment to you
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my other program I don't know
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the the conversation
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listen to it with real ears didn't
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outline you weren't sitting at your at
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your work been working on your Geppetto
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doll which would be an area twist
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doll for a larger Geppetto that up but
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we should really start this show you
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ready to start and how's it going John
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being there was an insurrection I i I'm
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like to talk about this because i don't
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want to get anybody in trouble I don't
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official or pseudo officially this is
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but in my daughter's grade there was an
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insurrection early this year among the
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kids are among the parents amongst the
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teachers and arm I i guess it wasn't so
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whispers because you know it is when you
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don't want to ruin a thing but I you
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know you initially like you you get
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things to take home and do but it was
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into the school years like hmm this is
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we're not we're not getting this pile of
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shit somebody got off the internet still
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in copyright material and and eventually
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we learned that it was decided I don't
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sure who always involved but the
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teachers just decided they're not doing
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homework for sure
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there was an NPR whoa karate chop
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yeah so we were talking about it just
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last night where you know she was sad
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cuz not sad but she was like oh we can't
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watch anymore gilmore girls because this
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time for bed at school tomorrow
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yes all of those things are true but I
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was like you know isn't it kind of
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better and of course you'll never get
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with me on anything but i can tell you
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it's way way better and you know I take
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most of all what I don't miss is I i
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hope i can get you on my side with this
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one then I really don't miss the reading
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log some of it what is that even
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well it's it seems like such a good idea
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so what we want our kids to do read when
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you're gonna do it every night so part
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of the homework for at least two years
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was you you get this sheet this you know
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again xerox sheet it's like what did you
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read who is the author what time did you
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how many pages did you read my god yeah
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so because you gotta read and you know
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the understanding is you read at least
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you know 20 minutes a night which is I'm
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I'm sorry I'm on the verge of bragging i
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don't mean to be accepted i am very
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proud of our daughter she's okay she's a
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very intelligent least she's a reader
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and I could not be happier i want to
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sing it from the mountaintops so that's
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its she's and but there are other kids
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who are not i mean i have it i have
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really good pals who kids with kids who
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are really smart or you know really
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they're not awful but the general
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intelligence maybe maybe or maybe they
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just they just don't like fucking books
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like they're not into it but it never
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started it well you know the first time
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for everything depends on the kind of
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work he does so it seems like a good
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idea you come up with the sheet and you
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say okay diary of the wimpy wimpy kid
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number three I read these 20 pages guess
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who does that fucking nobody
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it's due on Friday and now guess what
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you have to do to use John circuses are
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you have to back solve your week of
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reading you've gotta go figure out oh
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god and so every night I said is right
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on your reading log and it's tearing
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it's tearing my I want to tear my eyes
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out saying that you fill out your
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reading log because chairing this
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country apart let's take this thing that
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this kids somehow figured out how to
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love and do every day and then let's
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make it into a timecard yeah so I'm you
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know what it's like if you don't fill in
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your timecard you gotta go and like
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figure out how you spend your week so
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yeah so then it would be a guess what
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now we've taken congratulations San
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Francisco you've ruined reading because
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now we found a way to take something
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this kid for whatever reason pound sign
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blast they like to read and now we turn
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it into work and i get i get i think I
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get why they do it they want to make
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sure that the kids are reading at home
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with the parents are reading to them
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did you did you read this with somebody
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did you read it by yourself wasn't ready
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to you how difficult was it please fill
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out all of these things and one this is
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like such a good idea in the abstract
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but it was a complete source of
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unnecessary anxiety not solving a
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non-problem at and I and I honestly feel
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and I and I know that the these are I
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know that you often go quiet when I talk
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oh god please please wonder how my god
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exactly our 25 know and I'm only going
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to say i'm going to say well one or two
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alright and then I hope hopefully you
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won't put this show into the show pilot
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that never got released but I'd but I
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feel like it is like be the attempt to
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prove that everyone is getting a good
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often results in this kind of what what
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what seems like a good idea because it's
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leveling behavior everyone can prove
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that they read the books and what it
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doesn't do is serve the kids that are
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then already read the book and and it's
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meant to prove that the teachers have
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done a good a good job and it's meant to
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prove that no one got left behind
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yeah aight in its it try it seeks to
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ensure i just a phrase people been using
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so much this election season i think is
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very interesting idea of the ceiling of
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the floor like into this candidate you
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know has a fairly high floor like for
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whatever reason he's probably not gonna
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drop much lower no matter what happens
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but he also has a fairly low ceiling and
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an instance you're saying well let's
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make sure that the floor doesn't get too
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low for everybody but let's put spikes
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on the ceiling because you have fun yeah
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and and what and my big question about
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the teachers that had a an insurrection
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and decided not to do homework is up the
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chain up their train their geppetto
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geppetto hmm is is going to suffer some
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consequences right there's pressure from
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the top down and from the sides i can
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just meet ping-pong that's gonna be some
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notes about why their kid isn't being
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yeah and and it has something that's
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really think and that all is you know I
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there's that cultural aspect of it but
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also somewhere up the up the school
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board or somewhere in this the school
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district favorite some articles and
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they're charged with that being their
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job they have no cards to do and
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footnotes to Rack is when the japan
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geppetto geppetto calls them into their
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Geppetto office and they say hey show me
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that everybody's reading their dick in
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your hand right and and when the SATs
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which are a bad indicator of people's
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education and intelligence and and
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future capabilities when those when
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those tests come back the that's how
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they determine whether or not the
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principal keeps their job right and no
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the thing is none of it worked for me it
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wasn't what I was meant to do and I was
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and when God made me he or she said we
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these we don't need a lot of these your
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limited edition but right now we need
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one of these and at every step along the
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way adults apart part half-educated
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adults some presuming to be educated in
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things that I don't think you can even
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be educated in which is could complete
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understanding of the human mind and so
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every step along the way adults were
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intervening and telling me that who I
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wasn't how I was made was wrong and
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needed and what I needed to do was this
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this this and this things that were not
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just incompatible to identify the
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problem misidentified the solution like
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right but is not part of it though it's
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this whole like well I'm i am here to
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set you straight
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I'm going to tell you that you are
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broken and then i'm going to tell you to
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fix it in a way that wouldn't fix it
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even if it were a problem it's around
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solution to a non-problem right and in
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the case of my own daughter
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I have said the following things do not
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put your hand down your underwear in a
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do not stand and hit daddy stand on a
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bench and hit daddy in the face
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do not have a breakdown screaming crying
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fit because there's rice on your plate
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beyond that the potatoes are ok you know
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she doesn't like potatoes because that's
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born into her now sets in her blood but
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beyond that like what's going on with
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you and what's your deal
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stop talking about feelings yeah and
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she's most of the time like you know I
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don't everything's fine i don't have a
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deal and I'm like all right
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right on i'm not going to sit here you
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know identity even though i think having
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a deal is very important oh god
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everything I got a deal just going to
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figure out what it is
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yeah I'm sitting you're desperate you
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got a year buddy you got a deal
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I'm in the I mean the catcher's Crouch
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with with my big catchers meant waiting
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for her to throw the pitch of her deal
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and I'm senator signals like please
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throw a heater right down the middle and
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she keeps turning around and throwing
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the ball to first base and looks at me
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and shakes off my calls
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I'm like well what can I do you know
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what the adults did to me what didn't
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work and my parents tried to correct the
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mistakes of their parents because their
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parents like every time I my grandfather
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told my mom not to stick your butt out
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oh that's it out because that was
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suggestive milestone was the second sexy
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yeah in the farm town of Van Wert Ohio
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in 1942 em if you walk with your butt
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sticking out its it's bad when you're
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walking home from school and so good so
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it changed the way my mom walks
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oh god and you know and my dad's dad was
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like you need to listen more when i wake
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you up drunk at two o'clock in the
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morning so I'm gonna put you into a cool
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bath tub like a bathtub the local high
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school so my parents were trying to do
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better than that
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yeah and I'm trying to be better than
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needed and in my case I like I don't
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know what's going to happen when she
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brings home homework that makes her cry
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but i'm pretty sure what's going to
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happen is that I throw it in the
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yeah and then when they send a note home
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with her saying your daughter isn't
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doing her homework
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I'm gonna send a note back that says I
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know and that's going to go on until the
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time they send me a letter that says we
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cannot advance your daughter to the next
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grade but that's never going to happen
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because at a certain point she will
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through her love of learning figure out
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a way you know she's never gonna get
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held back because she didn't because I
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didn't you know what i mean like i never
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got held back right
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they couldn't I even though they tried
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and so but that is it but that's maybe
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teaching her a terrible lesson about the
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world but i think the lesson I'm trying
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to teach her in the world is there's a
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place for you in the world there's a
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point for you being here and there's a
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and find it you know I'm not gonna tell
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you where it is don't let a teacher tell
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you where it is either like find your
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place in the world there is one that is
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good you know and and maybe I'm gonna
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have to homeschooler get that I get that
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Jeep start the long drive
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yeah if I homeschooler what will end up
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happening is she her mind won't get
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polluted with this evolution business
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oh my god from your mouth tub to
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Geppetto yeah you are a start
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should we do the show yeah I don't have
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my bell gonna eat the sandwich now
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Donald Trump says he alone can solve
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America's problems at his rallies he
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whips his supporters into a violent
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frenzy and says that people who have
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criticized in will suffer when he's
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president Trump blacklists members of
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the media that write negative stories
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about him and says that when he's
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president will restrict the rights of
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he openly calls for the u.s. to commit
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more crimes and says that we should
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torture and kill the innocent children
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of suspected terrorists regarding
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waterboarding he said even if it doesn't
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work they probably deserved it anyway
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a veteran told trunk that American
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soldiers wouldn't follow that order and
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Trump said they're not going to refuse
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me if I say do it they're going to do it
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dictators around the world love Trump he
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is praised by vladimir putin and Kim
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John's state-run media back in nineteen
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ninety Trump's wife told her lawyer that
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he keeps a copy of Hitler's speeches by
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his bedside Trump surrounds himself with
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the yes men sycophants and fools
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there's nobody in Trump's inner circle
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that will tell him no or correct him on
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the facts now Donald Trump gets
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classified national security briefings
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and he has repeatedly asked why the u.s.
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can't use its nuclear weapon
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as Americans it is our duty to resist
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fascist dictators wherever they rise up
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in the world this November we are not
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going to elect one here the nuisance
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