Roderick on the Line

Ep. 213: "Desk Bobbies"


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00:00:21   oh hai jaan hai Maryland was going [TS]

00:00:28   pretty good [TS]

00:00:31   mmm i get the sense every monday a [TS]

00:00:34   little bit after ten no big deal when I [TS]

00:00:37   am asking a question you really think [TS]

00:00:39   about it for a minute i say how's it [TS]

00:00:40   going and I really feel like you're you [TS]

00:00:42   know you're not responding by rote [TS]

00:00:44   you're turning it over maybe not awake [TS]

00:00:46   yet but it seems like something you're [TS]

00:00:48   turning over in your mind [TS]

00:00:49   yeah I I you know I think that I tried [TS]

00:00:52   to answer every latitudinal inquiry from [TS]

00:00:57   everybody authentically mean I'm not [TS]

00:01:01   somebody that's in the supermarket there [TS]

00:01:04   in your case the the line at bartels [TS]

00:01:06   cannot that is not how I played [TS]

00:01:09   walgreens walgreen oh yeah walgreens [TS]

00:01:11   well right yeah you're not that you're [TS]

00:01:13   not somebody that I'm not around I'm not [TS]

00:01:15   somebody rather who will sit there and [TS]

00:01:17   in response to the guy saying I did [TS]

00:01:20   today go are my sciatica vey vey iz Mir [TS]

00:01:26   but the other night I was at the grocery [TS]

00:01:29   store 1159 that closes at twelve was [TS]

00:01:33   having a bad day and the guy that was [TS]

00:01:36   working there has been working there for [TS]

00:01:38   a long time [TS]

00:01:39   he's always working there the late shift [TS]

00:01:42   he's not he's not like one of the old [TS]

00:01:43   guys he's in his late thirties and he [TS]

00:01:48   carries himself with a very sort of ice [TS]

00:01:51   cube level of intensity I've tried to [TS]

00:01:56   banter with him many times he's not [TS]

00:01:59   interested in bantering with me when I'm [TS]

00:02:01   in a good mood he doesn't care when I [TS]

00:02:05   just play it cool [TS]

00:02:06   he doesn't care he's not registering me [TS]

00:02:09   and whether it's you know i'm used to [TS]

00:02:12   flirting with everybody and he surely [TS]

00:02:16   has noticed me because I'm flirtin with [TS]

00:02:18   him like crazy [TS]

00:02:19   he just isn't gonna get any work [TS]

00:02:21   somewhere you know you are aware of more [TS]

00:02:26   people than you might realize that you [TS]

00:02:28   know like you probably at the newsstand [TS]

00:02:29   you could probably sit down if you [TS]

00:02:31   really put your mind to it at that time [TS]

00:02:33   had made a list of like 30 character [TS]

00:02:35   first the owner just a tiny bit about [TS]

00:02:37   all more than that I mean you're [TS]

00:02:38   absolutely right just like yeah a lot [TS]

00:02:41   but his vibe is just not happening [TS]

00:02:44   because he's a cool character that's [TS]

00:02:47   right and so it's just the two of us in [TS]

00:02:49   the store so 1159 the stores closing [TS]

00:02:53   I've tried to make chitchat with him [TS]

00:02:55   over the years sites i surrendered a [TS]

00:02:57   long time ago and not and not unfriendly [TS]

00:03:00   to him but just like I'm not chicken [TS]

00:03:01   right you know that's not what you want [TS]

00:03:03   but he says [TS]

00:03:05   how's it going tonight and I was having [TS]

00:03:08   a really bad day and I said you know [TS]

00:03:10   today's been really bad and I have no [TS]

00:03:18   idea why I did it I just he asked me a [TS]

00:03:22   question and they were you're vulnerable [TS]

00:03:25   uh-huh and you would want this story to [TS]

00:03:28   end with us like with him stopping what [TS]

00:03:31   he was doing going wow man tell me back [TS]

00:03:34   like a bartender but that's not how [TS]

00:03:37   historians he he continued to ring up my [TS]

00:03:40   my pity food which was like a piece of [TS]

00:03:45   cake a bowl of above box of ice cream [TS]

00:03:47   and the shore no pizza [TS]

00:03:50   oh no is your pity food and and then he [TS]

00:03:55   was like you know have a nice night or [TS]

00:03:56   whatever like zero acknowledgement I was [TS]

00:04:00   like yeah random I'm glad there were no [TS]

00:04:03   they were both still in character have a [TS]

00:04:04   good night [TS]

00:04:05   yeah yeah b- whatever okay getting at [TS]

00:04:09   but ya did you read that article Merlin [TS]

00:04:13   recently about the about the b division [TS]

00:04:17   of the Metropolitan Police in Britain [TS]

00:04:20   that is now using super recognizers [TS]

00:04:22   supertaster but faces [TS]

00:04:26   yes i just--literally guess that that [TS]

00:04:28   success very good everybody's better [TS]

00:04:30   everybody everyone is better accept [TS]

00:04:33   these people [TS]

00:04:34   ok so that's seriously what is it [TS]

00:04:35   because like this is a human humans as [TS]

00:04:38   they say [TS]

00:04:39   yeah we've had were all aware of [TS]

00:04:42   face-blindness being a real problem for [TS]

00:04:45   people that have face blindness [TS]

00:04:47   they they can't recognize I mean pure [TS]

00:04:50   face-blindness you can't even recognize [TS]

00:04:51   yourself in the mirror [TS]

00:04:53   yeah this is why reading those Oliver [TS]

00:04:55   Sacks books is such a trip because and [TS]

00:04:57   actually I do have a topic that I want [TS]

00:04:58   to bring up thats related to this where [TS]

00:05:00   you there are certain kinds of things [TS]

00:05:01   we're just even knowing that they exist [TS]

00:05:04   no matter how inoculated you feel or how [TS]

00:05:06   healthy you think you probably are you [TS]

00:05:09   cannot help but start doing like the [TS]

00:05:12   third act of 6 cents like running [TS]

00:05:13   through your head like are there times [TS]

00:05:14   when I had this and didn't know it [TS]

00:05:16   mm you know saying well this article is [TS]

00:05:20   really fascinating there's a minute [TS]

00:05:22   it's fascinating in part because it's so [TS]

00:05:25   obvious you know it's one of these these [TS]

00:05:28   moments where it's like God but it [TS]

00:05:31   wasn't like a didn't come from a [TS]

00:05:33   university it wasn't a science [TS]

00:05:34   scientists initiated program it was just [TS]

00:05:38   some detective at the at the you know [TS]

00:05:43   some bobby i guess i don't know what [TS]

00:05:45   Bobby is frankly the epic to be a Bobby [TS]

00:05:48   you have to have a hat and twirl up [TS]

00:05:49   nightstick turns out that's because the [TS]

00:05:52   London Metropolitan Police Force was [TS]

00:05:54   started by a man named Robert really [TS]

00:05:56   turns out by armed so I'm mom [TS]

00:06:00   so guys there's like look we've got [TS]

00:06:02   we've got more CCTV cameras than any [TS]

00:06:04   other place in the world by a factor of [TS]

00:06:06   10 but all this information is not being [TS]

00:06:09   processed because we don't have the [TS]

00:06:11   capacity to process that we keep buying [TS]

00:06:13   all these new computer programs but [TS]

00:06:15   computers can't really wait through the [TS]

00:06:17   millions of faces we record every day [TS]

00:06:19   this system is like a useless system but [TS]

00:06:22   he he noticed that there were certain [TS]

00:06:24   detectives that would just be sort of [TS]

00:06:27   out doing their job and somebody would [TS]

00:06:30   walk past and they'd be like that guy [TS]

00:06:32   there's a warrant out for his arrest [TS]

00:06:32   from 17 years ago for purse-snatching [TS]

00:06:36   likes a little bit [TS]

00:06:37   Dustin Hoffman right yeah yeah well i [TS]

00:06:40   mean if you don't I mean I'm avoiding [TS]

00:06:41   saying it but it's somebody is somebody [TS]

00:06:43   who has not just an uncanny ability to [TS]

00:06:45   see a face and associated but then to [TS]

00:06:47   have that data be able to pull up [TS]

00:06:49   quickly and like I know why I know that [TS]

00:06:51   person I see people in the street like I [TS]

00:06:52   think that person was my waitress five [TS]

00:06:54   years ago but could you are you exactly [TS]

00:06:56   well and so these are these people that [TS]

00:06:57   have this gift right there had a and and [TS]

00:06:59   so he started he made up a 10 [TS]

00:07:01   for them or there's some kind of test [TS]

00:07:02   face recognition test and they're all [TS]

00:07:05   these people working at the police [TS]

00:07:08   department already who are like oh yeah [TS]

00:07:10   I just I'm like I'm working the evidence [TS]

00:07:12   rumor you know I'm the lady that [TS]

00:07:14   processes all the data reams and he just [TS]

00:07:20   gave his testimony and and there are [TS]

00:07:21   certain people that can that recognize [TS]

00:07:24   all the the the bit characters in movies [TS]

00:07:27   and they're like oh that guy who's [TS]

00:07:29   playing the farmer in the background was [TS]

00:07:32   the guy that was playing the farther you [TS]

00:07:33   know the the 15th soldiers from the left [TS]

00:07:36   in in that war movie you know like this [TS]

00:07:39   have this photo recognition of faces and [TS]

00:07:42   he compiled them into a little gang and [TS]

00:07:46   said here now start coming through all [TS]

00:07:49   this CCTV footage that's kind of been [TS]

00:07:52   pre combed you know like using [TS]

00:07:54   algorithms we've narrowed it down to [TS]

00:07:56   just 10 thousand pictures or something [TS]

00:07:59   and this little team is like that's the [TS]

00:08:01   guy that's the guy that's the guy just [TS]

00:08:03   solving crimes just what i want to do [TS]

00:08:08   Merlin all i want to do is solve crimes [TS]

00:08:10   what all we all any of us want to do is [TS]

00:08:12   solve crimes and it's always there [TS]

00:08:14   these people are solving crime that was [TS]

00:08:17   something with something that they [TS]

00:08:18   already know how to do they have a [TS]

00:08:20   superpower basically it's a superpower [TS]

00:08:22   yeah and so then this article goes on to [TS]

00:08:25   say [TS]

00:08:26   statistically it's inevitable that there [TS]

00:08:32   are police officers out there who have [TS]

00:08:35   face blindness who are made a big part [TS]

00:08:39   of your job is like that's the guy I saw [TS]

00:08:43   him do it or you know like I recognize [TS]

00:08:47   the perp from across the store and there [TS]

00:08:50   are cops out there who are like yeah I'm [TS]

00:08:52   a policeman [TS]

00:08:53   I can't tell to completely [TS]

00:08:57   different-looking people apart and [TS]

00:08:59   they're making IDs and they're [TS]

00:09:01   testifying in court right notorious and [TS]

00:09:04   reliable right well and that's that's [TS]

00:09:07   true but but notoriously unreliable it [TS]

00:09:10   like like lineups and and [TS]

00:09:13   and that type of thing are unreliable [TS]

00:09:15   amongst the boy huh [TS]

00:09:19   but these people they're there are [TS]

00:09:21   people and now used and we start to [TS]

00:09:22   think about it like there's just there's [TS]

00:09:25   statistically a large number of people [TS]

00:09:28   that have this talent in varying degrees [TS]

00:09:30   and even among the people that habit [TS]

00:09:34   there are some who are recognized as [TS]

00:09:36   like amazing that's that's that's [TS]

00:09:38   amazing but they saw the article starts [TS]

00:09:41   to say why wouldn't you give this test [TS]

00:09:46   to every police officer and people that [TS]

00:09:50   have face blindness should not be beat [TS]

00:09:54   cops [TS]

00:09:55   it's a it should be experimentation [TS]

00:09:59   maybe desk Bobby's a desk Bobby right or [TS]

00:10:03   like some kind of mother Bobbi uh-huh [TS]

00:10:06   like a like an evidence room Bobby hora [TS]

00:10:08   like a morgue Bobby we need all [TS]

00:10:10   different kinds of Bobby's sure if you [TS]

00:10:12   want to be a Bobby you be more Bobby but [TS]

00:10:14   you owe and even more gonna have to [TS]

00:10:16   recognize and faces you don't want to [TS]

00:10:17   put the one guy in the one box and the [TS]

00:10:19   other gal in the other box so it but it [TS]

00:10:24   you know you sit there and you're like [TS]

00:10:25   okay this there's one police station in [TS]

00:10:27   the world that's doing this now and even [TS]

00:10:30   and and even that feels like it's feels [TS]

00:10:33   like somebody higher up good eliminated [TS]

00:10:35   in in an afternoon just because they [TS]

00:10:37   don't like the guy's face haha nice but [TS]

00:10:42   uh but it's just started this cascading [TS]

00:10:45   wave of in my head of what of what is [TS]

00:10:50   plainly obvious which is that people [TS]

00:10:53   have aptitudes I that's exactly what I [TS]

00:10:56   was thinking [TS]

00:10:56   yeah and we're always testing testing [TS]

00:10:59   you know testing kids testing testing [TS]

00:11:01   testing testing for four things you know [TS]

00:11:06   we're testing [TS]

00:11:07   I mean when I want to i would first [TS]

00:11:08   moved to Seattle I tried to get a job as [TS]

00:11:10   a doorman in a fancy building and I was [TS]

00:11:14   given like a 40-page test twice that was [TS]

00:11:19   one of those tests was like if I saw [TS]

00:11:21   fellow employees still a paperclip I [TS]

00:11:24   would a [TS]

00:11:26   call the police like is it like a [TS]

00:11:27   myers-briggs kind of thing around and [TS]

00:11:29   pie it's no it's trying to determine if [TS]

00:11:32   I am honest alright but it like like one [TS]

00:11:36   of these things like if I saw fellow [TS]

00:11:38   employees still a paperclip i would call [TS]

00:11:39   the police call the FBI tackle him to [TS]

00:11:42   the floor or a curl up in a ball and cry [TS]

00:11:46   and it's like it's none of the above [TS]

00:11:48   well you have to pick one like these [TS]

00:11:50   tests that are it's better just they're [TS]

00:11:53   just crazy and see a tortoise on its [TS]

00:11:55   back baking in the Sun I i totally agree [TS]

00:11:59   and not least because I think there are [TS]

00:12:02   super powers that probably exist that [TS]

00:12:04   are the kind of things you would see in [TS]

00:12:06   DC and Marvel but you also think about I [TS]

00:12:09   don't beer too reductive here but think [TS]

00:12:11   about giving kids tests in school which [TS]

00:12:15   is so rife with problems and it's just [TS]

00:12:19   but I mean so the basic idea is like [TS]

00:12:21   okay well i'm gonna give you a test of [TS]

00:12:22   what we studied this week and arithmetic [TS]

00:12:26   and you know these things we told you [TS]

00:12:28   that there's going to be a test and we [TS]

00:12:30   were going to give you this test the [TS]

00:12:31   thing is that like the the most [TS]

00:12:33   important thing about taking a test is [TS]

00:12:35   knowing how to take a test which we [TS]

00:12:37   don't teach people really until they [TS]

00:12:39   take an elective you know s80 prep they [TS]

00:12:42   don't you know where you learned that [TS]

00:12:44   there's a lot of gaining to it in some [TS]

00:12:46   ways for that kind of test yeah it's a [TS]

00:12:48   bit if there's a more standardized tests [TS]

00:12:51   but i guess i guess on trying to look [TS]

00:12:52   first of all I think we have to always [TS]

00:12:53   admit that in the same way that like [TS]

00:12:55   managers tend to hire people that they [TS]

00:12:57   would like to manage my manage somebody [TS]

00:12:59   who you're not going to hire somebody [TS]

00:13:00   you can't manage the way the company [TS]

00:13:03   changes and grows and if it's cancer [TS]

00:13:06   cases involves is gonna be heavily [TS]

00:13:08   circumscribed by the interests and [TS]

00:13:11   hang-ups of the people who are making [TS]

00:13:14   hiring decisions so it's I mean that's a [TS]

00:13:16   little bit of a of a rabbit hole here [TS]

00:13:18   but you know that's one reason companies [TS]

00:13:20   don't change as quickly as people would [TS]

00:13:22   like it because they're not changing the [TS]

00:13:23   kind of people that they hire so it's [TS]

00:13:26   kind of crazy to think that it would [TS]

00:13:27   change but it's also a matter of you [TS]

00:13:28   know and I I would never say anything [TS]

00:13:30   disparaging about teachers or [TS]

00:13:32   administrators that they've got a job to [TS]

00:13:34   do their job is to run the school you [TS]

00:13:37   know it's yeah sure secondarily with the [TS]

00:13:39   kids vs [TS]

00:13:39   educated but there is this professor x [TS]

00:13:41   part of my brain that thinks like you [TS]

00:13:43   know there's think about all of the [TS]

00:13:45   things involving mental organic chemical [TS]

00:13:49   things that we've learned that that's [TS]

00:13:52   make this vastly rethink the way we [TS]

00:13:53   treated what you might call mental [TS]

00:13:54   illness or madness over the past [TS]

00:13:56   millennium right it's not necessary it's [TS]

00:13:58   not bad humors it's not that you have a [TS]

00:14:00   troll living in your head you know and [TS]

00:14:02   kids that were in the brown reading [TS]

00:14:03   group when I was in the third grade we [TS]

00:14:06   now understand you might have a spectrum [TS]

00:14:07   disorder where they might have a [TS]

00:14:08   chemical imbalance or there could be all [TS]

00:14:10   kinds of things that help explain but [TS]

00:14:11   until we have a way to name and measure [TS]

00:14:14   it like it isn't real and so in this [TS]

00:14:17   this is what fascinates you know you're [TS]

00:14:18   saying is like how many things are out [TS]

00:14:19   there we just haven't figured out might [TS]

00:14:21   exist because we don't know what to call [TS]

00:14:22   it or how to measure it [TS]

00:14:23   well it and i think it I think what it's [TS]

00:14:26   inspiring me to think about is like we [TS]

00:14:28   spend a lot of time measuring and there [TS]

00:14:34   are a lot of things were afraid to [TS]

00:14:35   measure right this is this is one of the [TS]

00:14:37   big problems of liberalism more about [TS]

00:14:41   the problem of just equality the idea of [TS]

00:14:43   equality it's as soon as you start [TS]

00:14:45   measuring people your you get into this [TS]

00:14:48   posture of like let's say there's [TS]

00:14:49   somebody wants to be a Bobby and they [TS]

00:14:51   take a they take an exam and they have [TS]

00:14:55   face blindness [TS]

00:14:57   now you can make a strong case that face [TS]

00:15:02   blindness actually precludes them from [TS]

00:15:06   being able to properly do the job of of [TS]

00:15:09   policing street police but you can [TS]

00:15:12   imagine the lawsuit also that you know I [TS]

00:15:16   want to be a police officer take it like [TS]

00:15:18   a disability [TS]

00:15:19   yeah i'm being discriminated against [TS]

00:15:20   because i have faced blanks right and [TS]

00:15:23   you know and then the other side is like [TS]

00:15:26   well no I mean we we have a job for you [TS]

00:15:29   here in the in the in the Bobby morgue [TS]

00:15:33   and then you realize well now there's [TS]

00:15:36   800 people working in the Bobby more [TS]

00:15:37   because they all want to be police [TS]

00:15:38   officers and they all have faced blind [TS]

00:15:40   right and I've always said about college [TS]

00:15:44   professors like the people that the [TS]

00:15:47   right now we use [TS]

00:15:49   the phd system to determine who is who [TS]

00:15:55   are professors are but sort of like [TS]

00:15:57   running for City Council the ability to [TS]

00:16:00   get a PhD and the build ability to be a [TS]

00:16:02   good interesting instructor on a topic [TS]

00:16:04   are in some ways mutually exclusive like [TS]

00:16:07   running for City Council and being a [TS]

00:16:09   city councilperson are totally different [TS]

00:16:11   jobs and so our colleges are built [TS]

00:16:15   around the idea that phd's are the [TS]

00:16:16   teachers but ph DS Arnott interesting [TS]

00:16:19   but eh but phd's then people who have [TS]

00:16:22   had PhDs four years also become the [TS]

00:16:24   people who make the rules [TS]

00:16:26   yahoo to send me and what measure yeah [TS]

00:16:29   and so you know the best teachers are [TS]

00:16:31   storytellers and people that get up and [TS]

00:16:34   have a mental map of the topic and are [TS]

00:16:36   able to make it interesting and [TS]

00:16:38   connected to other things and your [TS]

00:16:39   scintillating and that requires a kind [TS]

00:16:42   of mind that is antithetical almost to [TS]

00:16:48   doing a deep dive on you know on Zelda [TS]

00:16:52   Fitzgerald's diaries and writing a you [TS]

00:16:57   know a 900-page exegesis on you know on [TS]

00:17:00   two months of Zelda Fitzgerald's Diaries [TS]

00:17:03   it's like that's not an interesting [TS]

00:17:04   story teller if you can do that [TS]

00:17:06   successfully congratulations here are [TS]

00:17:08   here's a chestful of ribbons you should [TS]

00:17:11   be buried in the stacks for the rest of [TS]

00:17:13   your career doing that which you clearly [TS]

00:17:15   love you shouldn't be like put put in [TS]

00:17:18   front of a group of 18 year olds who are [TS]

00:17:21   tossing frisbees in the back your class [TS]

00:17:23   and given the impossible goal of making [TS]

00:17:25   it interesting to them should be a [TS]

00:17:27   library Bobby should be library papi [TS]

00:17:29   yeah so for instance you know we talked [TS]

00:17:31   about there all the time this feeling of [TS]

00:17:33   being underused or of trying to find [TS]

00:17:35   your dock and in so many ways it's like [TS]

00:17:41   for me it's been obvious for a long time [TS]

00:17:43   i have i have a mental geography you [TS]

00:17:47   know I can and it's exactly like face [TS]

00:17:50   recognition there's that mean if you [TS]

00:17:54   give me a piece of information I can put [TS]

00:17:56   it into an architecture that I've built [TS]

00:17:59   in my mind of history and geography [TS]

00:18:03   and I and I and I find the little you [TS]

00:18:05   know it's like the it's like the Indiana [TS]

00:18:07   Jones warehouse and i wield a little [TS]

00:18:11   card of this new piece of information [TS]

00:18:12   down a long hallway and I turn left and [TS]

00:18:16   I know where it goes [TS]

00:18:17   you know it's catalogued in my mind and [TS]

00:18:20   when I interact with other people that [TS]

00:18:21   don't have it which is most people I've [TS]

00:18:24   always confused like oo IC you don't [TS]

00:18:27   not only do you not know that where we [TS]

00:18:30   stand where you live there are 15 [TS]

00:18:32   different roads you can take back to [TS]

00:18:34   your house because you only ever tickets [TS]

00:18:35   don't think that way better just don't [TS]

00:18:37   think that way you don't see it you [TS]

00:18:38   don't see your house and where we are [TS]

00:18:40   now in a in a map it's not that [TS]

00:18:42   different from having perfect pitch [TS]

00:18:43   where even if you describe it to [TS]

00:18:45   somebody still can't really know what [TS]

00:18:46   it's like right to tell you that like [TS]

00:18:48   every almost every sound that they hear [TS]

00:18:50   fall somewhere on like a map of tones [TS]

00:18:53   for them and you know everybody else [TS]

00:18:54   would even be aware that that exist let [TS]

00:18:56   alone be able to do it [TS]

00:18:57   yeah there's and there are plenty of [TS]

00:18:58   people who see that note and can pull it [TS]

00:19:00   out and tell you where it fits into [TS]

00:19:02   chords and you know it's like they have [TS]

00:19:03   it in their head let alone you know the [TS]

00:19:06   architecture of how does the French [TS]

00:19:08   Revolution play into how did the french [TS]

00:19:11   revolution effect wore one right that's [TS]

00:19:12   a similar kind of geography now what [TS]

00:19:15   what my face blindness azhar uh-huh i [TS]

00:19:20   can think of probably a few but again [TS]

00:19:23   you don't know what your face blindness [TS]

00:19:24   azhar like I don't [TS]

00:19:26   yeah I don't know where my where the the [TS]

00:19:28   big a canker sore in my you know smooth [TS]

00:19:34   skin is but there's no no one has ever [TS]

00:19:38   found a planet with you and I have found [TS]

00:19:40   this place we carved out a place where [TS]

00:19:43   we can use our our face recognition [TS]

00:19:48   ar-ar-ar-ar abilities here you know to [TS]

00:19:52   but but it's sort of even even here [TS]

00:19:57   incomplete because where we've never [TS]

00:19:58   really been tested for what we're what [TS]

00:20:01   it is okay and you think all the jobs in [TS]

00:20:04   the world that need a you or me or [TS]

00:20:08   anyone listening like all the all the [TS]

00:20:11   places where it's like oh my god you can [TS]

00:20:13   you totally it's a party trick for you [TS]

00:20:16   to name all the all the bits actors and [TS]

00:20:23   all the other movies you seen them in [TS]

00:20:24   that's like a party gag and then you go [TS]

00:20:26   back to your job of working in a factory [TS]

00:20:30   making milk shake mix when you're just [TS]

00:20:32   pushing a rock up a hill because that's [TS]

00:20:34   your racket now and there's never been a [TS]

00:20:36   way to know how to fit that stuff in and [TS]

00:20:39   civilization is like our whole culture [TS]

00:20:42   is missing [TS]

00:20:45   we're all losing out on being able to [TS]

00:20:49   use your ability which you know which is [TS]

00:20:53   native to you and you're missing out on [TS]

00:20:55   the experience of going to work every [TS]

00:20:56   day and saying solving crime solving but [TS]

00:20:59   if the person is in a position person or [TS]

00:21:01   persons in a position to decide whether [TS]

00:21:03   test for that doesn't doesn't someone [TS]

00:21:05   who suffers from face blindness not to [TS]

00:21:09   be nefarious but they have very few [TS]

00:21:11   motivations to go out unless they're [TS]

00:21:13   pretty big hearted in civil wanted to go [TS]

00:21:15   out and find people who do have it [TS]

00:21:16   here's what's amazing about this story [TS]

00:21:18   the cop that put this team of Bobby's [TS]

00:21:20   together does not have is not a super [TS]

00:21:23   recognizer he's not a super recognizer [TS]

00:21:25   yeah he just was a cop trying to solve [TS]

00:21:28   these trying to solve crimes and he's [TS]

00:21:30   like I keep having really good luck [TS]

00:21:32   going over to this a the small group of [TS]

00:21:35   people that sit over here in the in the [TS]

00:21:38   morgue and asking them if they've ever [TS]

00:21:40   seen this guy before and he had just [TS]

00:21:42   enough authority that he could say can [TS]

00:21:45   you know can these people be tasked to [TS]

00:21:47   me for this this period of time let me [TS]

00:21:49   try this out and I don't think he's a I [TS]

00:21:52   think he's not very hot popular with the [TS]

00:21:53   brass because he does people's by his [TS]

00:21:56   own rules [TS]

00:21:57   sure he's over there just like my garlic [TS]

00:22:00   all he's a little bit rogue it's like he [TS]

00:22:03   slapped his gun down on the debt well [TS]

00:22:04   it's easy Bobby so he slaps is is that a [TS]

00:22:07   hundred is Jenny club and he says [TS]

00:22:10   dominate you British blackness [TS]

00:22:17   I got so much to say about this into the [TS]

00:22:19   pan is I mean I right it's it like it it [TS]

00:22:26   reverberates throughout everything well [TS]

00:22:28   in here just real quickly here is that [TS]

00:22:31   you know I i'm very interested in these [TS]

00:22:33   ideas of what we test we measure what we [TS]

00:22:35   can see and we don't you know we got [TS]

00:22:36   these phases where we watch a lot of [TS]

00:22:38   harry potter and was just thinking [TS]

00:22:39   yesterday we're watching the six movie [TS]

00:22:44   and see how interesting is like how many [TS]

00:22:46   layers of nobility invisibility there [TS]

00:22:48   are in harry potter like for example [TS]

00:22:49   muggles can't see Hogwarts so if a model [TS]

00:22:53   were to go to Scotland and found where [TS]

00:22:54   Hogwarts was it would look like [TS]

00:22:56   destructed land because magic but the [TS]

00:22:58   point is that if you want me if you [TS]

00:23:00   walked across hard works we bump into [TS]

00:23:01   building i don't think so i think it's [TS]

00:23:03   disguised in such a way that basically [TS]

00:23:05   202 anybody who's not in the Wizarding [TS]

00:23:06   community it's just the sake of argument [TS]

00:23:08   let's just understand that they can't [TS]

00:23:09   see Hogwarts but let's say you are [TS]

00:23:12   always there a war which you come to [TS]

00:23:13   Hogwarts well then you have all these [TS]

00:23:15   additional further layers of these [TS]

00:23:16   things were for example there's a [TS]

00:23:18   certain kind of in this particular film [TS]

00:23:21   there's a certain kind of you know this [TS]

00:23:23   mythic beasts like ghost horse thing [TS]

00:23:25   with ghost tours kind of like one swing [TS]

00:23:28   this really cool but like Harry sees [TS]

00:23:30   this thing is like what does anybody [TS]

00:23:32   else see this and the only the person [TS]

00:23:33   who sees it as luna lovegood and Luna [TS]

00:23:35   says well the only people who can see [TS]

00:23:37   that are people who've seen death so [TS]

00:23:39   there's this but there's all these [TS]

00:23:40   layers and layers and layers and I know [TS]

00:23:42   that that's a fantasy novel for kids but [TS]

00:23:45   I think there's all kinds of stuff like [TS]

00:23:46   that going on we're just because you can [TS]

00:23:47   see this one thing doesn't mean you can [TS]

00:23:49   see these other things and sometimes the [TS]

00:23:51   only way we derive any understanding is [TS]

00:23:53   by accident so what did they tell us [TS]

00:23:55   when we were in high school they said [TS]

00:23:57   okay if you want to go to college [TS]

00:23:59   you gotta take the SATA or the acct and [TS]

00:24:01   here's the thing about the s80 PSAT like [TS]

00:24:04   here's what we know about the s80 is [TS]

00:24:06   that people who do well on the s80 [TS]

00:24:09   there's a high correlation between [TS]

00:24:11   people doing well on the s80 and doing [TS]

00:24:13   well in college which if you really [TS]

00:24:15   think about it is is super interesting I [TS]

00:24:18   think because it's not saying that like [TS]

00:24:20   it's because you're smart at stuff it's [TS]

00:24:22   because you test well on that one kind [TS]

00:24:24   of test now who knows there could be a [TS]

00:24:27   dozen other things that indicate [TS]

00:24:30   to a seventy eighty percent how will how [TS]

00:24:33   well you will or won't do in college but [TS]

00:24:35   that's that the blunt instrument we've [TS]

00:24:37   got and so this is usually important [TS]

00:24:39   decision about like whether we're going [TS]

00:24:40   to allow you into our colleges based [TS]

00:24:42   heavily on how well you did on this test [TS]

00:24:43   and it's not even it's not exactly how [TS]

00:24:45   well you did on the test that matters [TS]

00:24:46   it's that that correlation is what [TS]

00:24:48   matters [TS]

00:24:48   there's part of me that wonders like as [TS]

00:24:50   we blunder ignorantly through life not [TS]

00:24:53   knowing what causes what order for [TS]

00:24:54   eventually get to this minority report [TS]

00:24:56   like point where we can retroactively we [TS]

00:24:59   go back and look at Big Data to go like [TS]

00:25:01   oh here's big patterns like people who [TS]

00:25:03   did well in politics and we're honest [TS]

00:25:05   tended to show these patterns at [TS]

00:25:07   different points in life is so that's [TS]

00:25:09   that's what the interesting thing about [TS]

00:25:11   the SATA and the college is that all [TS]

00:25:15   makes sense up to a point right here we [TS]

00:25:17   have a college we want people to come [TS]

00:25:19   here who are going to do well on it and [TS]

00:25:21   this test measures what we you know this [TS]

00:25:23   test tends to measure skills that you [TS]

00:25:27   will need to do well in school and let [TS]

00:25:29   me drop the other shoe just to say state [TS]

00:25:30   the obvious the thing that we can't know [TS]

00:25:32   because you can't prove a negative is we [TS]

00:25:34   can't know the number of people who [TS]

00:25:35   never even took the SATA let alone [TS]

00:25:37   didn't do well on it we have no way to [TS]

00:25:39   know those could be the greatest student [TS]

00:25:41   we've ever gotten but the model we have [TS]

00:25:42   doesn't fit that kind of scattershot [TS]

00:25:44   approach there's no test out there [TS]

00:25:46   there's no means out there for going [TS]

00:25:47   unless you're gonna put a lot of wet [TS]

00:25:49   layer on it there's no way to really [TS]

00:25:50   know like who's this kid in the inner [TS]

00:25:52   city that might be the greatest student [TS]

00:25:53   we've ever got [TS]

00:25:54   well it depends what we call a great [TS]

00:25:55   student who's deciding who's allowed in [TS]

00:25:57   here and you know what we lose money as [TS]

00:25:59   an institution if we get people in here [TS]

00:26:00   who drop out like that is a bad pattern [TS]

00:26:02   it looks bad on the books and so we have [TS]

00:26:04   to stick with this conservative approach [TS]

00:26:06   that's all I want to say was yeah we [TS]

00:26:07   don't we don't know that's a very very [TS]

00:26:09   blunt instrument the the though I guess [TS]

00:26:12   the worser thing about it is that the [TS]

00:26:18   next thing I mean the extension of that [TS]

00:26:21   thinking is that if you do well in [TS]

00:26:22   college you are we will be valuable to [TS]

00:26:24   society like it because it has a height [TS]

00:26:28   there's a higher correlation for that [TS]

00:26:30   but that's that is the thing that's [TS]

00:26:31   unmeasurable like right you know if [TS]

00:26:34   you're if you if you're talking about [TS]

00:26:36   the University of Pennsylvania and [TS]

00:26:38   you're talking about here's what the [TS]

00:26:39   university of pennsylvania teaches [TS]

00:26:40   here's how this it's socially structured [TS]

00:26:42   here's where it's located [TS]

00:26:44   did here's you know here are the [TS]

00:26:46   parameters of the University of [TS]

00:26:48   Pennsylvania and what it's capable of [TS]

00:26:49   and then you say the s80 perfectly [TS]

00:26:53   measures who is going to do well at the [TS]

00:26:56   University of Pennsylvania you mean I [TS]

00:26:58   and it says oh it excludes all these [TS]

00:27:01   people that are from different cultural [TS]

00:27:03   backgrounds and excludes all these [TS]

00:27:04   people that have that have a face [TS]

00:27:08   recognition skills but don't you know [TS]

00:27:10   the better aren't good at math or [TS]

00:27:12   whatever like it maybe they do very well [TS]

00:27:14   at the Wharton School of Business [TS]

00:27:15   without taking into account that their [TS]

00:27:17   father will be learning the million [TS]

00:27:18   dollars in the near future that allows [TS]

00:27:20   them to create their empire just as a [TS]

00:27:22   random examples around moving is hard to [TS]

00:27:24   count for this thing's yeah but what but [TS]

00:27:27   the the massive fallacy is to presume [TS]

00:27:30   that our that the college's then became [TS]

00:27:33   the exclusive path to having a a like a [TS]

00:27:39   supervisory role in our culture right [TS]

00:27:42   you can you can work [TS]

00:27:44   you always were able supposedly to work [TS]

00:27:46   your way up from the mailroom but what [TS]

00:27:48   what we got the we put College in this [TS]

00:27:52   middle place that we're its job was to [TS]

00:27:54   filter out people who weren't going to [TS]

00:27:56   be supervisors who were who didn't have [TS]

00:27:59   the metal or the the the cognitive skill [TS]

00:28:06   to be a leader [TS]

00:28:08   it's like officer candidate school and [TS]

00:28:11   we net we've never thought about that [TS]

00:28:14   again right i mean colleges do not [TS]

00:28:16   actually do a very good job of finding [TS]

00:28:18   leaders and it colleges promote people i [TS]

00:28:23   mean being good in college does not make [TS]

00:28:25   you a leader and there's no and [TS]

00:28:28   statistically now all we have is well [TS]

00:28:30   did people who go to college [TS]

00:28:31   did they become leaders well yeah [TS]

00:28:33   because they're rich and because they [TS]

00:28:35   because it's self-reinforcing and all [TS]

00:28:38   that you know like all the all the [TS]

00:28:40   insanity around the idea that we would [TS]

00:28:43   have that we would we would impose a [TS]

00:28:47   system and then never really try to [TS]

00:28:51   validate its findings by any means other [TS]

00:28:54   than by using its own language [TS]

00:28:57   no like that and I felt this my whole [TS]

00:29:01   life write the sum of the smartest [TS]

00:29:02   people i knew when i was 15 the the kids [TS]

00:29:07   that were really really burning hot at [TS]

00:29:09   15 years old who were rebelling against [TS]

00:29:12   their parents already who were in [TS]

00:29:14   trouble with the school who and they [TS]

00:29:17   were kids right so they were they were [TS]

00:29:18   ding-a-lings they thought that that they [TS]

00:29:21   were going to be part of a revolution of [TS]

00:29:24   some kind or you know etcetera etcetera [TS]

00:29:26   but like the kurt cobain's let's call [TS]

00:29:28   just the though the outsiders [TS]

00:29:31   mmm at 15 years old some of the [TS]

00:29:34   fifteen-year-old outsiders were just [TS]

00:29:38   fucking smartish the smartest kids and [TS]

00:29:43   the the quote-unquote smart kids at [TS]

00:29:45   school really looked down their noses at [TS]

00:29:47   them and were threatened by them [TS]

00:29:49   everybody was threatened by them but the [TS]

00:29:51   whole system all the parents all the [TS]

00:29:53   teachers all that the school everything [TS]

00:29:55   were really targeting those kids to like [TS]

00:30:00   get him out of here [TS]

00:30:01   basically you know not even trying to [TS]

00:30:03   reform i'm not talking about the you [TS]

00:30:06   know the schools do a pretty good job of [TS]

00:30:07   like oh this kid is not excelling we're [TS]

00:30:11   going to put them in special class and [TS]

00:30:12   we're going to try and get him through [TS]

00:30:14   this process you know it's important to [TS]

00:30:16   the schools to like help people that are [TS]

00:30:19   struggling to get them through but that [TS]

00:30:22   small group of people a small group of [TS]

00:30:25   teenagers who are like from a very early [TS]

00:30:27   age 13 years old already may be [TS]

00:30:30   struggling with drugs already insecure [TS]

00:30:34   home life very very insecure home life [TS]

00:30:37   who are coming to school full of of [TS]

00:30:40   anxiety and aggression who are just like [TS]

00:30:43   just get stuff like if your parents find [TS]

00:30:45   a lot maybe you don't sleep very well [TS]

00:30:46   right or nerds fight a lot maybe that's [TS]

00:30:48   how you think problems get solved right [TS]

00:30:50   right uh and but they're like they're [TS]

00:30:52   hurting but there also is very smart and [TS]

00:30:54   sensitive like I just got a facebook [TS]

00:30:56   message from a friend of mine that he [TS]

00:30:59   was the first person I ever knew that [TS]

00:31:00   had a tattoo when he was 16 years old he [TS]

00:31:03   had a tattoo smiling skull smoking a [TS]

00:31:07   joint not a problem physiologically with [TS]

00:31:09   that [TS]

00:31:10   yeah my family all three how wait a [TS]

00:31:13   minute you're all island and the the [TS]

00:31:17   skulls tattoo on the inside of his left [TS]

00:31:18   arm and it was I mean this is before [TS]

00:31:22   this was back when the only people that [TS]

00:31:24   had tattoos were in the Navy and I was [TS]

00:31:26   like what did you do it yourself and [TS]

00:31:29   he's like what do you mean I got this [TS]

00:31:31   tattoo is like this is me man and he was [TS]

00:31:34   be that that was back in the days when a [TS]

00:31:36   punk rocker could get a tattoo of a [TS]

00:31:38   skull smoking a joint and there wasn't [TS]

00:31:41   any confusion about whether or not he [TS]

00:31:42   was a hippie don't mean like now he's [TS]

00:31:45   not a hippie he had a freaking tattoo [TS]

00:31:47   hippies didn't start getting tattoo [TS]

00:31:48   still later and he was like such a he [TS]

00:31:52   was so he lived in a trailer park his [TS]

00:31:56   parents were on drugs he was so [TS]

00:31:59   sensitive and such a delightful delicate [TS]

00:32:01   person and I watched life just hammer [TS]

00:32:05   him and after high school life continued [TS]

00:32:10   to hammer him and I got a message from [TS]

00:32:12   the other day still alive a lot of our [TS]

00:32:14   mutual friends that were closer to him [TS]

00:32:16   than me or are all dead that it was like [TS]

00:32:19   a it was they just died from from drugs [TS]

00:32:25   and from being too sensitive frankly he [TS]

00:32:29   didn't somehow he survived and I heard [TS]

00:32:33   from my hand for many years and every [TS]

00:32:35   time I every time I interacted with him [TS]

00:32:37   after high school I always had the same [TS]

00:32:39   feeling he was one of the smartest ones [TS]

00:32:42   of all of us and he was shit on [TS]

00:32:45   constantly he took it with good grace [TS]

00:32:48   you know he was just like.he he handled [TS]

00:32:53   it pretty well considering [TS]

00:32:54   and he made a life for himself but but [TS]

00:32:59   he was brutalized and I like I go on I'm [TS]

00:33:03   like talking to him on facebook and look [TS]

00:33:04   at his profile and he's an old man now [TS]

00:33:06   he's like a little man [TS]

00:33:08   and I think you know the aptitudes that [TS]

00:33:13   he had the artistic ability and the you [TS]

00:33:16   know the set the sensitivity right he [TS]

00:33:18   was meant for something he was meant to [TS]

00:33:19   do something it if we had an ability to [TS]

00:33:22   test for if we have truly had an ability [TS]

00:33:25   to test for aptitude we would have [TS]

00:33:28   culturally right at 15 years old [TS]

00:33:32   pull this kid out of school and said oh [TS]

00:33:34   my god hello like here is your hear [TS]

00:33:38   let's just let's we don't need this [TS]

00:33:39   anymore you know like high school isn't [TS]

00:33:41   where where you need to be you need to [TS]

00:33:43   be over here and we're gonna put you in [TS]

00:33:44   this special place and you're into these [TS]

00:33:46   special things and you know I i [TS]

00:33:49   obviously right we all kind of feel like [TS]

00:33:51   we wish something like that happened to [TS]

00:33:53   us or at least i have spent a lot of my [TS]

00:33:55   life wishing that somebody had grabbed [TS]

00:33:57   me by the hand but it was also but it's [TS]

00:33:59   also like in in my remember like senior [TS]

00:34:03   year remember my Americanism vs [TS]

00:34:05   communism class i'm looking for years at [TS]

00:34:07   this is what happens in the Soviet Union [TS]

00:34:09   like waiting with the age of whatever [TS]

00:34:11   the whatever arbitrary number they made [TS]

00:34:12   up but the age of 10 they give you a [TS]

00:34:14   test and if you don't do well nothing [TS]

00:34:15   you become machinist and there's a track [TS]

00:34:17   and once you're on that track you can [TS]

00:34:18   never go back to like America or anybody [TS]

00:34:20   can be the president right and that's [TS]

00:34:21   the thing we always say about japan [TS]

00:34:23   right if you don't you don't pass the [TS]

00:34:25   the preschool admission test then you're [TS]

00:34:28   on your way to the you know you're going [TS]

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00:36:58   it's a very high tonight you know I [TS]

00:37:00   don't need to say that the programming [TS]

00:37:02   jobs are hard to kill [TS]

00:37:03   now but yeah that's that's the that's [TS]

00:37:05   what i was saying before right like the [TS]

00:37:07   American premise is that that you should [TS]

00:37:14   be able to be a police officer even if [TS]

00:37:15   you have face blindness right the [TS]

00:37:17   American premise is that you should be [TS]

00:37:21   able to you know youyou muscle your way [TS]

00:37:25   in or use your ingenuity or your [TS]

00:37:29   for your guile to have any job you want [TS]

00:37:34   and there shouldn't be any limitations [TS]

00:37:36   and it is a very it's a very slippery [TS]

00:37:38   slope i think in a lot of our minds to [TS]

00:37:40   going from something very logical like [TS]

00:37:43   police detective should be super [TS]

00:37:47   recognizers to all of a sudden feeling [TS]

00:37:51   very uncomfortable about the fact that [TS]

00:37:55   there's predestination and yeah I and [TS]

00:38:01   we're altering people too hard and all [TS]

00:38:03   of a sudden you know you gotta get [TS]

00:38:04   through all these filters and then were [TS]

00:38:05   gattaca but it's also just to [TS]

00:38:09   problematize it a little bit it's the [TS]

00:38:12   things we talked about some of these [TS]

00:38:14   super recognizer recognized for what [TS]

00:38:15   they super recognizing act and it's it's [TS]

00:38:18   it just depends on what level the level [TS]

00:38:20   at which you want to try to solve the [TS]

00:38:22   problem that we call what disability [TS]

00:38:24   crime whatever you want to call it the [TS]

00:38:26   trouble is by the time you get down to [TS]

00:38:27   the level of Super recognizing all have [TS]

00:38:29   we vetted all the people whose faces are [TS]

00:38:31   being recognized I guess we're assuming [TS]

00:38:32   in this case that those are all [TS]

00:38:33   batteries right that have to to go down [TS]

00:38:37   I guess it's just interesting to think [TS]

00:38:38   about like in that case that's a very [TS]

00:38:40   interesting technical hack that really [TS]

00:38:43   sounds like it would work but it does [TS]

00:38:45   assume that the policing is being done [TS]

00:38:48   well fairly and justly and those are [TS]

00:38:49   bodies that need to be cut so they don't [TS]

00:38:51   blow up the the ferris wheel or whatever [TS]

00:38:53   I mean I think you're talking about that [TS]

00:38:55   the job of super recognizer is not those [TS]

00:38:58   aren't the prosecutors right there just [TS]

00:38:59   the tool it is a lot like minority [TS]

00:39:01   report in some ways I haven't seen that [TS]

00:39:04   is that the one where the the cars all [TS]

00:39:06   go up and down the walls like like [TS]

00:39:08   roaches that might be fifth element but [TS]

00:39:12   said minority report that the notion is [TS]

00:39:14   that there are these ghosts they can see [TS]

00:39:17   a little bit into the fuses mythological [TS]

00:39:19   characters these three sisters who like [TS]

00:39:22   lands pool water something something [TS]

00:39:23   magical science but basically they are [TS]

00:39:25   able they are often able to detect when [TS]

00:39:30   a crime is about to happen which you [TS]

00:39:31   know to begin with is a pretty great [TS]

00:39:32   idea for sci-fi story but then there's a [TS]

00:39:34   lot of interest in the next part to me [TS]

00:39:37   is in the implementation and evaluation [TS]

00:39:39   decorators yeah [TS]

00:39:40   and how the little wooden ball rolls out [TS]

00:39:43   and that there's this entirely [TS]

00:39:44   chain-of-custody to it and it's all done [TS]

00:39:46   part of what makes the I never read the [TS]

00:39:47   book or the story but but it's it is [TS]

00:39:51   very interesting and then in the course [TS]

00:39:52   you know that there's there has to be a [TS]

00:39:54   story which is like you actually really [TS]

00:39:55   trust the system do we know this but I [TS]

00:39:58   don't know I don't know I mean yeah I [TS]

00:40:00   mean it's I i think that like all like [TS]

00:40:03   all solutions technological solutions [TS]

00:40:05   and this does feel like a thought [TS]

00:40:07   technology huh [TS]

00:40:08   and so it is a technological solution [TS]

00:40:10   and it will it would invent it [TS]

00:40:12   invariably develop other problems right [TS]

00:40:15   but at what the problem that we get this [TS]

00:40:17   would be trying to solve is the problem [TS]

00:40:19   of false recognition and the problem i [TS]

00:40:23   think i think the the the the main [TS]

00:40:27   selling point of it is that it would be [TS]

00:40:29   addressing this perception that we have [TS]

00:40:31   that we're all being surveilled all the [TS]

00:40:33   time but like their cameras everywhere [TS]

00:40:36   but right get your if you get held up in [TS]

00:40:39   front of a convenience store and there [TS]

00:40:41   are five cameras pointed at you and you [TS]

00:40:43   say the guy [TS]

00:40:44   help me up right here and they're all [TS]

00:40:46   this all this footage of it nine times [TS]

00:40:49   out of ten i think the cops are like [TS]

00:40:50   well you know it's a minor crime and we [TS]

00:40:52   don't have the resources to devote to a [TS]

00:40:56   you know looking at every CCTV mean it [TS]

00:41:00   was it was like when I got robbed last [TS]

00:41:02   year and they found that you know the [TS]

00:41:04   neighboring Police Department found my [TS]

00:41:06   stuff the next morning but they didn't [TS]

00:41:09   have that's a terrific example that's a [TS]

00:41:12   no rate example they didn't have the [TS]

00:41:14   even the smock the small ability to to [TS]

00:41:20   cross-reference well in this zip code a [TS]

00:41:25   guy lost a tennis racket in that zip [TS]

00:41:27   code we found a tennis racket [TS]

00:41:29   what should we do well let's sell that [TS]

00:41:31   tennis racket at an auction and will [TS]

00:41:35   apologize profusely to the other guy [TS]

00:41:38   it's just like come on you know so so [TS]

00:41:41   yeah it's it it's trying to solve [TS]

00:41:43   certain problems in policing with this [TS]

00:41:46   new super super cops super Bobby's [TS]

00:41:51   but yeah it would if it doesn't solve [TS]

00:41:54   the problem of like well why did that [TS]

00:41:57   could take the take the wallet but you [TS]

00:42:03   wonder i mean and i think this is that [TS]

00:42:06   this is this is a little bit star trekky [TS]

00:42:09   now but like one of my big complaints [TS]

00:42:13   about next generation and boy you should [TS]

00:42:15   see the file of complaints about next [TS]

00:42:17   generation i have i'm intrigued I've [TS]

00:42:19   just started watching that program but [TS]

00:42:22   one of my complaints is that the [TS]

00:42:24   lighting what lines not very good [TS]

00:42:28   no it's not the lighting it is that [TS]

00:42:30   Ryker is very annoying to me i can like [TS]

00:42:33   record well it's because Riker sort of [TS]

00:42:36   resembles me [TS]

00:42:37   oh sure and I don't like it yeah I don't [TS]

00:42:40   get that it's uncanny valley people are [TS]

00:42:43   like Oh Riker and I'm like no no no that [TS]

00:42:46   is not the that record no I'm Riker [TS]

00:42:49   that's not record but no my problem is [TS]

00:42:53   that the idea of the premise of [TS]

00:42:55   commander Troi is never really fully [TS]

00:42:59   explored right here you see the empath [TS]

00:43:02   yeah okay here's Troy she's an officer [TS]

00:43:05   and she's and she's in this position [TS]

00:43:09   because she has a superpower right now [TS]

00:43:12   it's never suggested that Captain Picard [TS]

00:43:18   or that Ryker are in their command jobs [TS]

00:43:22   because they have super powers right [TS]

00:43:26   there's no you never get us [TS]

00:43:27   I mean they did well in command school [TS]

00:43:29   wrangle wil Wheaton's character is [TS]

00:43:32   precocious but yet but I'm sure that his [TS]

00:43:36   father pulled some strings but here's [TS]

00:43:39   Troy and she has this like this [TS]

00:43:42   basically the psionic power [TS]

00:43:45   she's she's a pro mutants right she's [TS]

00:43:49   sort of almost x many but she's only [TS]

00:43:54   used in that show to like as as like a [TS]

00:43:58   glorified school psychologist right she [TS]

00:44:02   sits down people she's like hi [TS]

00:44:03   feeling that she has like space rap [TS]

00:44:05   sessions yeah like is everything good [TS]

00:44:07   right now I can sense that your feelings [TS]

00:44:09   in a stressed or whatever energy like [TS]

00:44:11   that [TS]

00:44:12   what no like I it's absolutely right [TS]

00:44:16   that there should be empaths and we know [TS]

00:44:21   who they are in our own lives right who [TS]

00:44:24   are who your most empathetic friend you [TS]

00:44:25   know the people that have that ability [TS]

00:44:28   and a lot of the time and i would say [TS]

00:44:32   the majority of the time they are not [TS]

00:44:34   people who actually become psychologists [TS]

00:44:36   you know what I mean people the people [TS]

00:44:40   who are best of politics do not become [TS]

00:44:42   politicians that mean they do but [TS]

00:44:44   they're boy they really shouldn't be [TS]

00:44:45   there [TS]

00:44:46   well right and the people to be in my [TS]

00:44:48   experience that you guys that's the [TS]

00:44:49   psychology and political science is [TS]

00:44:51   where all the Nets go [TS]

00:44:52   yeah yeah I mean there's a lot of cooks [TS]

00:44:55   that become psychologists because they [TS]

00:44:57   want you know they want to be that [TS]

00:44:59   person they that they have this [TS]

00:45:00   tremendous desire to be the intermediary [TS]

00:45:02   they have a i think a lot of them start [TS]

00:45:05   out i think a lot of the reason people [TS]

00:45:06   sign up for classes freshman year was [TS]

00:45:08   like I know I'm a bobsleigh mess i need [TS]

00:45:10   to figure this out [TS]

00:45:11   yeah and in the end up becoming a [TS]

00:45:12   practitioner and anna and at like [TS]

00:45:16   running for office i really do think [TS]

00:45:17   that it is that that the perceived job [TS]

00:45:22   of a psychologist to a freshman [TS]

00:45:26   let's say is oh I get to sit in a [TS]

00:45:29   position of authority people come in and [TS]

00:45:32   they tell me their problems and I solve [TS]

00:45:33   them [TS]

00:45:34   now that's not what being a psychologist [TS]

00:45:37   is her or grocery checkout clerk right [TS]

00:45:40   it's a that's like that's i mean if you [TS]

00:45:43   want that kind of authority over people [TS]

00:45:44   you should join the army but those are [TS]

00:45:48   but the people that gravitate toward [TS]

00:45:50   that job or like make that initial error [TS]

00:45:53   and the people who are sitting and [TS]

00:45:55   saying like oh my friend is having a [TS]

00:45:57   really bad day I came I can't you know I [TS]

00:45:59   just can't go to work today I have to [TS]

00:46:00   stay with my friend because she's really [TS]

00:46:02   having a hard time it's like while [TS]

00:46:04   you're taking a day off work because [TS]

00:46:06   your friends having a bad day that's [TS]

00:46:08   amazing like that is a that is a talents [TS]

00:46:12   or a you know that's a mutant ability [TS]

00:46:16   but so next generation I kept waiting [TS]

00:46:19   for the storylines to I was competing [TS]

00:46:23   for the Troy storylines 22 hey you know [TS]

00:46:26   to like be really really crucial in the [TS]

00:46:30   sense that she does have this special [TS]

00:46:33   knowledge and special ability [TS]

00:46:35   that's so much greater than just and i'm [TS]

00:46:38   not saying she had I don't know who the [TS]

00:46:40   writers of that show how they intended [TS]

00:46:42   her to be but the whole premise that at [TS]

00:46:45   that point in the future we would [TS]

00:46:48   culturally recognize the importance of [TS]

00:46:50   empaths and put them into an officer's [TS]

00:46:53   job on a spacecraft it would suggest [TS]

00:46:58   that the culture at the time understood [TS]

00:47:00   impacts to be more meaningful than the [TS]

00:47:04   than the writing of the show suggested [TS]

00:47:05   right yeah I get it [TS]

00:47:07   it'sit's you know they put her in the [TS]

00:47:09   job of like that the others your it's [TS]

00:47:12   like dash it sounds like you're also [TS]

00:47:14   saying that the just narratively the [TS]

00:47:17   juiciness of somebody like the the plot [TS]

00:47:19   juiciness of somebody with that kind of [TS]

00:47:21   ability wasn't fully utilized in the [TS]

00:47:23   story is that right yes right right i [TS]

00:47:26   mean in the i'm talking about just [TS]

00:47:28   generally the next generation cosmology [TS]

00:47:30   huh i will if you're going to if you're [TS]

00:47:32   going to make the leap to say yes we [TS]

00:47:34   have sentient robots children and [TS]

00:47:39   empaths all having made it through [TS]

00:47:41   officer candidate school and on the [TS]

00:47:43   bridge of a spacecraft let's really [TS]

00:47:47   explore why they're there and not just [TS]

00:47:50   have them be you know like every once in [TS]

00:47:53   a while they get their own episode for [TS]

00:47:55   instance it wil wheaton if wil wheaton [TS]

00:47:57   is a teenager who is what was his job [TS]

00:48:01   like a pilot or something of the [TS]

00:48:03   spaceship [TS]

00:48:04   I don't know what was he precocious that [TS]

00:48:06   well that's a don't know he could he is [TS]

00:48:09   really smart you know where there was a [TS]

00:48:11   dead body of the retrial sure what but [TS]

00:48:14   uh what happens when you figure that out [TS]

00:48:17   I never saw that movie got to get moving [TS]

00:48:19   now it seems like it was for kids you [TS]

00:48:21   should watch stranger things on Netflix [TS]

00:48:22   don't have not [TS]

00:48:24   Alex of TV him um yeah uh I I kept [TS]

00:48:28   waiting on next-generation as they're [TS]

00:48:30   walking down the halls like short and [TS]

00:48:33   then they're walking down the halls [TS]

00:48:34   their kind of doing a West Wing except [TS]

00:48:35   on the spacecraft now I kept waiting for [TS]

00:48:37   other crew members to be teenagers they [TS]

00:48:40   caught talking track talking track but [TS]

00:48:43   like how come there were no like will is [TS]

00:48:45   not only he's not only this market he's [TS]

00:48:48   the only smart kid that ever got into [TS]

00:48:50   the air force that seems pretty weird if [TS]

00:48:52   you're living in a world where a really [TS]

00:48:54   smart kid could could get that far [TS]

00:48:56   yeah why would there be why would they [TS]

00:48:58   be like this market was it that wasn't i [TS]

00:49:00   don't know i see that you're not very [TS]

00:49:02   interested in my star trek know Mom a [TS]

00:49:04   little interested i also know that [TS]

00:49:06   mentioning anything about this is going [TS]

00:49:08   to get you so much feedback about what [TS]

00:49:09   you got wrong that i wish i could save [TS]

00:49:10   you from yourself all you talk about it [TS]

00:49:12   for Star Trek no effort Starchild ok [TS]

00:49:14   let's look at let's get away from Star [TS]

00:49:15   Trek them because you know our good [TS]

00:49:17   friends madam frantic and Ben Harrison [TS]

00:49:19   yes have an award-winning podcast they [TS]

00:49:21   did they were phony nominated for that I [TS]

00:49:22   think yeah that's right phony nominated [TS]

00:49:24   podcast about a next-generation and it's [TS]

00:49:27   such a it's so embarrassing i'm so [TS]

00:49:30   embarrassed for them that it's popular [TS]

00:49:32   um I i can't speak for my friends coming [TS]

00:49:37   LT but my friends coming LT does a show [TS]

00:49:39   called random track and I think he [TS]

00:49:41   should really be on it i think people [TS]

00:49:42   have mentioned this to you on the [TS]

00:49:44   internet before but i really wish you [TS]

00:49:45   would be on Scott show okay and so [TS]

00:49:47   basically happens is a big wheel spins [TS]

00:49:49   and a random episode of Star Trek is [TS]

00:49:51   picked and then someone talks about it [TS]

00:49:53   it could be somebody who's really into [TS]

00:49:54   Star Trek or could be me in one case i [TS]

00:49:56   was on an episode don't know anything [TS]

00:49:57   about normal fuck-all about Star Trek [TS]

00:49:58   but I think you would be if you be [TS]

00:50:00   willing to spin the wheel I think you [TS]

00:50:02   would be a nice asset for that program [TS]

00:50:04   really you know about me that I am [TS]

00:50:06   willing to spin the wheel my god or [TS]

00:50:09   anything true train [TS]

00:50:10   yeah let's let's just let's just spit [TS]

00:50:13   ball now he has a second who come up [TS]

00:50:16   with one superpower that you think is [TS]

00:50:20   present in sort of a a1 derivation of [TS]

00:50:25   mankind like it's like an undetected [TS]

00:50:28   superpower that you wish that we tested [TS]

00:50:30   for as a really good question and so [TS]

00:50:33   like just to so like something where [TS]

00:50:36   there's something that some people seem [TS]

00:50:40   capable of that feels uncanny maybe and [TS]

00:50:45   useful and you just don't have a simple [TS]

00:50:49   way of explaining why they are so much [TS]

00:50:52   better at a seemingly invisible talent [TS]

00:50:54   than other people right kind of em I [TS]

00:50:57   mean one of those this is not very funny [TS]

00:50:59   but one of those is good judgment like [TS]

00:51:01   some people seem to just and without [TS]

00:51:04   being like you know there is not [TS]

00:51:06   religious [TS]

00:51:07   it's not philosophical and ethical but [TS]

00:51:09   some people have a very like the same [TS]

00:51:11   way you talk about being able to see [TS]

00:51:12   kind of the tapestry of history like [TS]

00:51:14   Indiana Jones warehouse i think some [TS]

00:51:16   people have just a really built in sense [TS]

00:51:19   of like what the best thing to do right [TS]

00:51:21   now is yes that's a boring one but i [TS]

00:51:23   don't know but that's when I look at [TS]

00:51:25   people do you know what god you're so [TS]

00:51:26   right that makes so much sense there's [TS]

00:51:28   no risk associated with what you're [TS]

00:51:30   saying and huge potentially huge payoff [TS]

00:51:32   to interesting how do you miss your [TS]

00:51:34   whole life he's walking around knowing [TS]

00:51:35   what to do [TS]

00:51:36   yeah you do that well and that what's [TS]

00:51:38   crazy is in our culture we already have [TS]

00:51:40   a job called judge but the people that [TS]

00:51:44   get appointed to be judges have to go [TS]

00:51:47   through this whole elaborate ph.d [TS]

00:51:49   program and by the time you have been [TS]

00:51:52   filtered all the way to sitting up on [TS]

00:51:53   the bench and being a judge who knows [TS]

00:51:56   what skills you have and I mean that the [TS]

00:51:59   other part of this again i get so [TS]

00:52:01   cynical but the other part of that is [TS]

00:52:02   like it's back to the wire [TS]

00:52:04   I mean it's like you're part of a system [TS]

00:52:05   you are beholding to people to have that [TS]

00:52:08   job in some way no matter I mean [TS]

00:52:10   everybody who has a job like you always [TS]

00:52:12   say even Bono has a boss everybody has [TS]

00:52:15   somebody got to keep happy [TS]

00:52:16   there's no way you could be completely [TS]

00:52:19   neutral about something [TS]

00:52:21   well but that's what's so interesting [TS]

00:52:23   about the judge Wapner judge judy let's [TS]

00:52:26   say judge john hodgman where they found [TS]

00:52:30   you know in the case of Wapner and Judy [TS]

00:52:33   they found jurists selling a terrible [TS]

00:52:36   puppet show water and judy judy actually [TS]

00:52:39   made the first rotary engine i didn't [TS]

00:52:41   know that interesting the Watchers [TS]

00:52:42   opportunity there was named after the [TS]

00:52:44   sound admit fucking orgy reputable [TS]

00:52:46   but uh you know like I have always felt [TS]

00:52:49   again not that I have great judgment but [TS]

00:52:53   i have i have the the talent my dad had [TS]

00:52:56   with my mom used to say she would be she [TS]

00:52:58   was because she was his she ran his [TS]

00:53:00   office when he was in private practice [TS]

00:53:01   and she would say she would read the [TS]

00:53:03   brief of one side of this dispute and [TS]

00:53:06   she would say well they have an iron [TS]

00:53:07   iron tight case and then she'd read [TS]

00:53:10   she'd read the other one she liked my [TS]

00:53:12   cot they have an iron thank you know [TS]

00:53:14   there's absolutely no way you is gonna [TS]

00:53:16   be a stalemate an impasse there's no way [TS]

00:53:18   they're both of these there's no way to [TS]

00:53:19   decide who is right in this cuz they're [TS]

00:53:21   there's just no deciding yeah and then [TS]

00:53:24   my dad would waltz in incapable of [TS]

00:53:27   filing things alphabetically incapable [TS]

00:53:31   of working more than three hours a day [TS]

00:53:33   you know like incapable not only a [TS]

00:53:36   balancing a checkbook but of finding his [TS]

00:53:38   checkbook but my dad waltz in read both [TS]

00:53:41   things and say oh here's the solution to [TS]

00:53:43   pimp and it would be like what and both [TS]

00:53:46   parties would say I agree and they shake [TS]

00:53:48   hands and the problem was resolved and [TS]

00:53:52   my you know my mom still talks about it [TS]

00:53:53   having been divorced from him now for 50 [TS]

00:53:58   years or whatever 45 years she's like it [TS]

00:54:01   was the most of it was the most [TS]

00:54:02   incredible talent and he did it over and [TS]

00:54:05   over and I could never figure out I [TS]

00:54:06   would you know after having watched him [TS]

00:54:08   do it i would read these things and i [TS]

00:54:09   would try to apply his filter like retro [TS]

00:54:13   actively go reverse engineer his [TS]

00:54:14   decision [TS]

00:54:15   yeah we're just you know like now I I've [TS]

00:54:17   been doing this for a long time I know [TS]

00:54:19   him intimately well what is he gonna do [TS]

00:54:21   here [TS]

00:54:22   I cannot see what he's going to do even [TS]

00:54:23   though I know his process right now and [TS]

00:54:25   walk in and read both things and it's [TS]

00:54:27   not easy [TS]

00:54:27   he wasn't even aware of it being a [TS]

00:54:29   process is like old solutions plan alone [TS]

00:54:31   and there's so many things i'm someone [TS]

00:54:34   and again i'm not trying to be funny but [TS]

00:54:35   I think they're things as simple as [TS]

00:54:38   people who don't know if this comes out [TS]

00:54:40   the case or smell or what or a different [TS]

00:54:42   kind of judgment but people who are with [TS]

00:54:44   a very little training are just very [TS]

00:54:47   good cooks and no for example like just [TS]

00:54:49   what would be appropriate as an [TS]

00:54:51   ingredient as a dish as a component of a [TS]

00:54:54   larger meal that's something silly 1i [TS]

00:54:56   think that is kind of a special gift [TS]

00:54:58   another one [TS]

00:54:59   is that like I've seen this in some [TS]

00:55:00   friends where there are some people who [TS]

00:55:04   are who are unerringly kind and [TS]

00:55:08   thoughtful and know just the right thing [TS]

00:55:11   to do which again now to meet anybody [TS]

00:55:13   else to a normal person who just liked [TS]

00:55:15   by his palm our cars and sends them out [TS]

00:55:16   of the coma tada [TS]

00:55:17   but for me i look at that i go how do [TS]

00:55:19   you know just the right thing to say to [TS]

00:55:20   somebody when somebody in their family [TS]

00:55:21   died and not sound like a dick [TS]

00:55:23   how do you like you are on fucking [TS]

00:55:25   vacation in Honduras and new to buy this [TS]

00:55:28   particular to dollar item that somebody [TS]

00:55:30   would treasure for the rest of their [TS]

00:55:31   life you never even my friend Christine [TS]

00:55:33   she's like that Kristina always present [TS]

00:55:34   gift like how to just how you look [TS]

00:55:37   did I don't like how do you do that how [TS]

00:55:40   does your brain how do you like work for [TS]

00:55:42   George Lucas and still have the ability [TS]

00:55:44   to remember what all of your friends [TS]

00:55:46   like and have it somewhere floating [TS]

00:55:48   through your mind at a given time as [TS]

00:55:49   something to act on that feels like [TS]

00:55:51   magic to me that is the people that know [TS]

00:55:53   exactly what gift to give are truly [TS]

00:55:57   magicians and I think some of those [TS]

00:55:58   right like i had a friend whose job it [TS]

00:56:01   was to fill up the ipods of famous [TS]

00:56:05   people write all this year we had that [TS]

00:56:08   was she did Courtney Love's a ipod was [TS]

00:56:10   our doesn't droop somebody's barrymore [TS]

00:56:12   that's it you're very more uh and there [TS]

00:56:14   are a lot of people i think in college [TS]

00:56:16   who love music who think that their love [TS]

00:56:19   of music has a special talent and very [TS]

00:56:21   few people have like a supernatural [TS]

00:56:24   understanding of how music works with [TS]

00:56:27   one another you know the great djs like [TS]

00:56:29   but but but there are a lot of people [TS]

00:56:31   who want to be in music because they [TS]

00:56:35   love music uh-huh and but and and I [TS]

00:56:38   think there are people whose jobs are to [TS]

00:56:41   be like gift buyers but it seems like [TS]

00:56:46   such a it's such a bougie world where [TS]

00:56:52   yes I live in you know I live on the [TS]

00:56:54   outskirts of Beverly Hills and my job is [TS]

00:56:56   to be a executive gift buyer for that's [TS]

00:56:59   just that's how it evidence is itself in [TS]

00:57:01   this culture right now because we don't [TS]

00:57:03   have another way to harness their skills [TS]

00:57:04   right if you but but think about the [TS]

00:57:06   value of just like hang out your shingle [TS]

00:57:09   death in in the sunset in San Francisco [TS]

00:57:13   you open a storefront you graduate from [TS]

00:57:14   Stanford announces I've decided on my [TS]

00:57:17   career I'm gonna I'm gonna fill [TS]

00:57:19   celebrity ipods well that you know but [TS]

00:57:21   like take it out of the the world of [TS]

00:57:24   rich people can imagine being somebody [TS]

00:57:26   who's just like yeah hi i'll fill your [TS]

00:57:28   ipod and i'll find gifts for your [TS]

00:57:30   friends for a nominal fee and have and [TS]

00:57:34   and have us culturally recognize that [TS]

00:57:37   that is a skill and you no longer have [TS]

00:57:40   to beat yourself up because you don't [TS]

00:57:42   know what gifts to get people you just [TS]

00:57:44   go to the gift buyer and that's a that's [TS]

00:57:47   a legit just like letter-writing where [TS]

00:57:49   you can hire somebody to write important [TS]

00:57:51   letters for you [TS]

00:57:52   yeah that's the thing and that seems I [TS]

00:57:54   mean grant writer is one of the most [TS]

00:57:57   incredible but the people that are great [TS]

00:57:59   at writing grants and meet them all the [TS]

00:58:00   time yeah we're like I love writing [TS]

00:58:02   grants it's like really the thing that i [TS]

00:58:04   would rather gouge out my eyeballs with [TS]

00:58:06   us fucking fork then do all right love [TS]

00:58:08   to do and they're like oh yeah give me [TS]

00:58:10   some grants to write [TS]

00:58:11   oh boy it's just like okay now I've [TS]

00:58:14   really do feel like there are very very [TS]

00:58:16   different species on this planet all [TS]

00:58:18   masquerading as human if you love to [TS]

00:58:20   write grants oh yeah I love writing and [TS]

00:58:22   get them to write some more rock but the [TS]

00:58:28   people that amazed me are the are the [TS]

00:58:29   diffusers the people who are as somebody [TS]

00:58:33   who finds it very difficult to diffuse a [TS]

00:58:36   situation where there's where the [TS]

00:58:39   tension is rising [TS]

00:58:40   yeah those people that can just be that [TS]

00:58:44   can that can take a really tense [TS]

00:58:46   situation and then everything else on [TS]

00:58:47   everybody's laughing yeah and you're [TS]

00:58:49   like you can feel them in the room like [TS]

00:58:51   exuding a kind of magic [TS]

00:58:53   yeah what did you just do how did you [TS]

00:58:55   just do that was something you feel [TS]

00:58:56   everybody feels kind of small to make a [TS]

00:58:58   big deal about it like wow this week [TS]

00:59:00   until we deal with this [TS]

00:59:01   yes this is this is not perfect but like [TS]

00:59:03   wow this the temperature and barometric [TS]

00:59:06   pressure of the room have completely [TS]

00:59:08   changed with this person being here and [TS]

00:59:09   they never condescended to anybody you [TS]

00:59:12   don't feel like they're they're trying [TS]

00:59:13   to get over on you and they don't even [TS]

00:59:14   have to say hey you guys let's do to do [TS]

00:59:17   it is more like there's sometimes people [TS]

00:59:19   just have a certain kind of presence [TS]

00:59:20   that brings up people's better angels [TS]

00:59:22   and and so let's say a person that has [TS]

00:59:25   that talent [TS]

00:59:26   yeah they're also smart and they're all [TS]

00:59:27   so personable and they're also you know [TS]

00:59:30   like ambitious or whatever and they they [TS]

00:59:32   go to college and they do well and they [TS]

00:59:34   get a job at a at amazon.com let's see [TS]

00:59:38   let's call it [TS]

00:59:39   let's say there's a business called [TS]

00:59:40   amazon.com that hires the second parking [TS]

00:59:42   here and let's say they work their it's [TS]

00:59:44   a very unusual name for a thing it would [TS]

00:59:46   cut it conjures up the image of a river [TS]

00:59:49   yeah very large river but he sells [TS]

00:59:51   piranhas yeah just here watching piranha [TS]

00:59:53   and like freshwater sharks and and [TS]

00:59:57   leaves was just home leaves [TS]

00:59:57   leaves was just home leaves [TS]

01:00:00   please think about all the leaves and go [TS]

01:00:02   down the Amazon I but so this person is [TS]

01:00:06   working there in a in a capacity that is [TS]

01:00:09   a that have some authority there they're [TS]

01:00:12   managing a group of people and they're [TS]

01:00:14   doing a really good job and every once [TS]

01:00:15   in a while some situation arises between [TS]

01:00:18   two employees and this person is there [TS]

01:00:21   and it has a small subset of what they [TS]

01:00:24   do as a manager they resolve this [TS]

01:00:25   conflict and it's and everybody walks [TS]

01:00:28   away feeling good right and we see this [TS]

01:00:31   type of thing all the time [TS]

01:00:32   oh my managers really good resolving [TS]

01:00:33   conflicts but out there somewhere in [TS]

01:00:36   that job is a super diffuser somebody [TS]

01:00:40   who would be capable of resolving the [TS]

01:00:43   resolving state conflict so they're like [TS]

01:00:46   the wolf except for massive human [TS]

01:00:49   disagreements [TS]

01:00:50   yeah they have the ability they don't [TS]

01:00:52   have asked that I Drive fast to get this [TS]

01:00:54   thing settled let's get this thing [TS]

01:00:55   though you get some Windex you get the [TS]

01:00:59   sweatshirt has legs but like so there [TS]

01:01:03   are people with that kind of stat that [TS]

01:01:06   level of magic in resolving disputes but [TS]

01:01:10   it's masked by their just general sort [TS]

01:01:14   of talent and they end up in a job where [TS]

01:01:19   they do well and they are doing a good [TS]

01:01:22   job but we didn't find them we didn't [TS]

01:01:25   find them and say you have this talent [TS]

01:01:27   it's a super talent and where you where [TS]

01:01:30   we need you really is in the State [TS]

01:01:32   Department well and the thing or even [TS]

01:01:34   like let's say that's an aspect of your [TS]

01:01:35   job or because you know wow [TS]

01:01:37   jennifer is super good at making [TS]

01:01:41   everybody act like an adult without [TS]

01:01:42   being condescending but maybe Jennifer's [TS]

01:01:44   doesn't maybe that's not her main job [TS]

01:01:46   maybe that's not how she's rewarded [TS]

01:01:48   maybe that's not how she's acknowledged [TS]

01:01:49   maybe that's not how she was recruited [TS]

01:01:50   but that's not going to be something [TS]

01:01:52   that necessarily if she's a corporate [TS]

01:01:54   attorney who's merely a litigator that [TS]

01:01:57   may come up a couple times here but if [TS]

01:01:59   she's just there to be a bulldog and [TS]

01:02:00   like screen the other side down that [TS]

01:02:02   skill you know while being there may not [TS]

01:02:05   be beneficial to her work well or even [TS]

01:02:08   if it even if it really is a big part of [TS]

01:02:11   why Jenna [TS]

01:02:12   or became an executive vice president at [TS]

01:02:15   let's say a company called apple right [TS]

01:02:21   just wonder what you need lessly money [TS]

01:02:24   in these examples of making people [TS]

01:02:26   wonder who you're talking about Jennifer [TS]

01:02:28   Jennifer Jennifer Jennifer letter friend [TS]

01:02:30   that's the day that right but and we [TS]

01:02:34   think of her as being extremely [TS]

01:02:36   successful and of her problem solving [TS]

01:02:38   ability of her a conflict resolution [TS]

01:02:41   ability being a major component of what [TS]

01:02:43   made her success there but we never knew [TS]

01:02:45   was how gifted she was at that one thing [TS]

01:02:50   and how much that gift actually [TS]

01:02:52   overshadowed her management ability or [TS]

01:02:55   her you know her usefulness to apple [TS]

01:02:58   like she was she was the magneto of [TS]

01:03:03   solving conflicts [TS]

01:03:05   yeah but net but there was never an [TS]

01:03:07   opportunity to see how truly gifted she [TS]

01:03:10   was because she was you know she was [TS]

01:03:11   given these simple things like oh well [TS]

01:03:13   you know Bob said that Jim's plan is [TS]

01:03:16   radio too loud and jim says that he was [TS]

01:03:17   told you know that quietly after 11 [TS]

01:03:21   yeah that was a stapler or whatever and [TS]

01:03:22   she's like let me handle this and she [TS]

01:03:25   does everybody like wow they got [TS]

01:03:26   Jennifer's here but meanwhile you know [TS]

01:03:30   what meanwhile the Stuxnet is dissolving [TS]

01:03:33   centrifuges in Iran because we can't [TS]

01:03:35   find a single person that can make sense [TS]

01:03:37   of of the negotiation around the table [TS]

01:03:41   like yeah [TS]

01:03:42   Herman Blix or whatever isn't doing a [TS]

01:03:44   good enough job and if we put Jennifer [TS]

01:03:46   in there should be like oh listen he can [TS]

01:03:51   play quietly after eleven you guys you [TS]

01:03:53   guys can use these centrifuges to make [TS]

01:03:55   you know to refine uranium but only the [TS]

01:03:57   Jeffers up in a building full of nails [TS]

01:03:59   where they just need another hammer see [TS]

01:04:01   that's exactly right Jennifer and [TS]

01:04:02   ability for nails haha [TS]

01:04:06   haha actually gonna sell my balance [TS]

01:04:11   Sebastian that was second [TS]

01:04:13   mm I can't even do a fucking balance [TS]

01:04:16   Sebastian impression she rides the desk [TS]

01:04:19   she's the jockey of the dissolution [TS]

01:04:23   friends of mine [TS]

01:04:25   you're pretty good i got him she was the [TS]

01:04:30   hammer of the building and a friend of [TS]

01:04:33   mine uh you know what I think about it [TS]

01:04:37   here's something people do that was [TS]

01:04:39   probably the end but down i like i like [TS]

01:04:41   it but i but i also like I also like the [TS]

01:04:43   now there's much more to say but walk up [TS]

01:04:45   this up but you know here's another [TS]

01:04:46   thing I'm think about this when I I [TS]

01:04:49   don't know about a word for this and it [TS]

01:04:51   sounds creepy to even talk about it [TS]

01:04:53   think about it but if there's a kind of [TS]

01:04:54   I guess what you might consider [TS]

01:04:55   retroactive or like forensic research [TS]

01:04:58   you can do this goes back to something I [TS]

01:05:00   was saying earlier like I do sometimes [TS]

01:05:01   think like not just with crime but lots [TS]

01:05:04   of other situations like is there a way [TS]

01:05:06   to look at patterns of of some kind and [TS]

01:05:09   see that oh my goodness [TS]

01:05:11   given this set of conditions over this [TS]

01:05:13   period of time people who do the [TS]

01:05:15   following three things in this order [TS]

01:05:18   before the age of 20 will almost [TS]

01:05:20   inevitably do this one thing by the age [TS]

01:05:22   of 50 like that very very abstract right [TS]

01:05:24   huh [TS]

01:05:24   like I think that's the thing i think [TS]

01:05:26   that's I think that's a real thing and I [TS]

01:05:27   think you know what you think about like [TS]

01:05:28   a profile and current profile encourage [TS]

01:05:30   talking like what were these common [TS]

01:05:31   things people have but think about this [TS]

01:05:33   like why I think one of the ways it [TS]

01:05:36   seems to me we use that forensic ability [TS]

01:05:39   is to identify i'm going to use the [TS]

01:05:41   parlance here to identify at-risk [TS]

01:05:44   children right so that's a phrase we use [TS]

01:05:47   and what is that that's code is what [TS]

01:05:49   that means is that we know that there [TS]

01:05:52   are a set of conditions and that there's [TS]

01:05:55   a set of consequent maybe behaviors that [TS]

01:05:58   tend to lead kids to say you know get [TS]

01:06:00   into crime sell drugs whatever the a's [TS]

01:06:02   version of this is and if you're good [TS]

01:06:04   this you can you can identify at-risk [TS]

01:06:07   kids early and try to give them [TS]

01:06:09   opportunities that will at least keep [TS]

01:06:11   them from going the wrong way my sense [TS]

01:06:13   is that there is some kind of a forensic [TS]

01:06:15   thing they're beginning with where they [TS]

01:06:16   live ordinary are they in an area with [TS]

01:06:18   lots of you [TS]

01:06:19   no as we used to say broken family like [TS]

01:06:21   a living with her grandmother and [TS]

01:06:22   there's not a lot of money and not much [TS]

01:06:24   supervision maybe they're in a foster [TS]

01:06:25   home i bet there are seven things that [TS]

01:06:27   you go wow if this 12 year old black kid [TS]

01:06:30   in Philadelphia meets all seven of these [TS]

01:06:32   criteria we really need to keep our eye [TS]

01:06:34   on that guy and I I suspect that's the [TS]

01:06:36   way that you could use that kind of [TS]

01:06:37   forensic research and I guess I'm just [TS]

01:06:39   wondering now like is there something [TS]

01:06:40   more positive is there an opportunity [TS]

01:06:42   thing that we could do right like how do [TS]

01:06:45   we how do we go and identified that the [TS]

01:06:46   magneto of empathy somewhere in [TS]

01:06:48   Philadelphia I and that that is that [TS]

01:06:51   that's the million-dollar question right [TS]

01:06:52   how do we do [TS]

01:06:53   how do we do this positively without [TS]

01:06:56   without it becoming a test for who [TS]

01:06:59   doesn't get to be a conference at [TS]

01:07:00   precisely right yeah yeah yeahs division [TS]

01:07:03   this is not meant to be an exclusionary [TS]

01:07:05   think it's just that you know if this is [TS]

01:07:06   what we have to do testing with then it [TS]

01:07:08   is going to be selective in a way that's [TS]

01:07:11   going to be exclude people [TS]

01:07:13   yeah yeah there's a in music i was i was [TS]

01:07:16   walking down a a the aisle of the store [TS]

01:07:18   the other day and it was the third time [TS]

01:07:20   in a row i heard squeeze like each of [TS]

01:07:23   the following each of the prior three [TS]

01:07:25   days i heard squeeze playing somewhere [TS]

01:07:27   in the store and you know about the [TS]

01:07:29   third time you squeeze three days in a [TS]

01:07:30   row you're like what's going on some [TS]

01:07:31   sound like a message some kind of [TS]

01:07:33   squeeze quickening but we are ready for [TS]

01:07:36   the anchorman I was like coffee in bed [TS]

01:07:39   listening to squeeze I'm what I come the [TS]

01:07:42   a black cat what am I to the store and I [TS]

01:07:47   suddenly heard in squeeze the echo or [TS]

01:07:52   rather the the pre echo the pre verb who [TS]

01:07:56   of a songwriter that I used to love here [TS]

01:07:58   in Seattle his name is Rob Benson he was [TS]

01:08:00   a great songwriter a very great pop [TS]

01:08:02   songwriter and he was super influenced [TS]

01:08:04   by squeeze and you know in the way that [TS]

01:08:08   people used to say like always really [TS]

01:08:09   influenced by XTC and squeeze you could [TS]

01:08:11   hear the influences but there was a [TS]

01:08:13   certain passage of squeeze right was [TS]

01:08:14   like if you know if it if I didn't [TS]

01:08:17   already know this was squeezing I would [TS]

01:08:19   have thought it was a Robinson song [TS]

01:08:21   and it started me thinking about Rob who [TS]

01:08:23   was one of the most talented of all of [TS]

01:08:26   us just a natural milad assist a great [TS]

01:08:30   vocalist and he just didn't he didn't [TS]

01:08:34   make it all the way through to the big [TS]

01:08:36   show you know for whatever reason yeah [TS]

01:08:38   there's a lot of stories like that there [TS]

01:08:40   Bette well there are and and the thing [TS]

01:08:43   is that the name flop like shouldn't [TS]

01:08:45   flop in bigger shop flop should have [TS]

01:08:46   been a lot bigger and for whatever [TS]

01:08:47   reason wasn't and you see you come to [TS]

01:08:51   think of it and it's it particularly if [TS]

01:08:53   you have if you've made it over to the [TS]

01:08:55   other side a little bit you think of it [TS]

01:08:58   as like well you just have to it just [TS]

01:09:01   things people get weeded out right [TS]

01:09:03   it's not it's not a pure meritocracy [TS]

01:09:05   shrug you know you know that there were [TS]

01:09:08   there were a lot of ways in which rob [TS]

01:09:10   was a like one of the best frontmen but [TS]

01:09:15   Rob could never quite figure out how to [TS]

01:09:17   work his amp or what you know there were [TS]

01:09:19   always things about it was like well you [TS]

01:09:21   know that you that was an opportunity [TS]

01:09:23   that you guys could have taken a little [TS]

01:09:24   bit more aggressively and for whatever [TS]

01:09:28   reason you didn't so that's the reason [TS]

01:09:29   that's the Y so within music and the [TS]

01:09:32   arts and I think in business and in the [TS]

01:09:36   army [TS]

01:09:37   there's a sense that like well that the [TS]

01:09:40   the cream ribes rises to the top and [TS]

01:09:42   it's not always the guy that's the best [TS]

01:09:43   singer or the best sergeant or the best [TS]

01:09:47   banker but it's a competitive enough [TS]

01:09:50   process and hard enough to get through [TS]

01:09:52   that the people that do get there they [TS]

01:09:55   might not have been the most gifted but [TS]

01:09:57   they're definitely not dummies you know [TS]

01:10:00   like it was hard they got there but the [TS]

01:10:04   the stuff we're talking about which is [TS]

01:10:07   like well if if the magneto of problem [TS]

01:10:14   solve and decided at a young age they [TS]

01:10:16   wanted to be a guitar player and they [TS]

01:10:19   were good guitar player and got far [TS]

01:10:21   enough along that it seemed like they [TS]

01:10:23   were on their way to the show and then [TS]

01:10:25   they didn't make it and then frustrated [TS]

01:10:29   and defeated by that they went to work [TS]

01:10:30   at [TS]

01:10:31   at a warehouse like we triple quadruple [TS]

01:10:36   missed an opportunity [TS]

01:10:37   yeah just happens that sports a [TS]

01:10:39   warehouse was hiring yeah right and so [TS]

01:10:43   all these tests that were giving to [TS]

01:10:45   elementary school kids which are like [TS]

01:10:47   how well did the teacher put these [TS]

01:10:51   spelling lessons into your brain and how [TS]

01:10:55   you know how able are you two to [TS]

01:10:58   regurgitate them when we could be saying [TS]

01:11:01   okay everybody today here's what we're [TS]

01:11:03   going to do match the faces and [TS]

01:11:07   everybody takes the test and it's like [TS]

01:11:08   oh but we're not looking to grade in [TS]

01:11:10   anybody [TS]

01:11:12   we're just looking for the one kid in [TS]

01:11:14   the school who gets a perfect score [TS]

01:11:16   it's like what like Ender's Game four [TS]

01:11:18   men in black like you know there's all [TS]

01:11:20   these these elites have been trained all [TS]

01:11:22   of their life but like we're gonna find [TS]

01:11:23   this one kid is going to go into the [TS]

01:11:25   system [TS]

01:11:25   yeah the one kid that's like a super [TS]

01:11:27   recognizer and then we're just like hey [TS]

01:11:29   you know Janet would you like to come [TS]

01:11:32   with you remember me [TS]

01:11:33   yes Morse idea that's right would you [TS]

01:11:36   like to come with with the Barton he'd [TS]

01:11:38   like to show you a special room that and [TS]

01:11:40   Janice like okay and barton walked down [TS]

01:11:43   the hall and partners like Janet would [TS]

01:11:46   like to initiate you into a special [TS]

01:11:48   program out here you know and it and you [TS]

01:11:50   just like okay well Janet's not in [TS]

01:11:51   school with us anymore but now we're [TS]

01:11:53   gonna play some more games hey here's a [TS]

01:11:56   problem who can solve this problem to [TS]

01:11:59   the simulation one kid is like well the [TS]

01:12:03   answer is simple is about and they're [TS]

01:12:04   like how Elijah would you like to come [TS]

01:12:08   with Barton and we have to go talk to [TS]

01:12:12   your parents and the danger of course is [TS]

01:12:14   that all the people that are left in the [TS]

01:12:16   school that did not test out into [TS]

01:12:17   anything interesting are all just now it [TS]

01:12:22   there in some 1984 hellscape where it's [TS]

01:12:26   like okay well you know or her like [TS]

01:12:29   Brazil you keep trying to get more desk [TS]

01:12:30   pulling your desk through the wall or [TS]

01:12:33   less even animal house that I always [TS]

01:12:34   reference like it is madden but but you [TS]

01:12:41   know 222222 call the people [TS]

01:12:45   we are truly gifted oh it's just so as [TS]

01:12:47   soon as I use the word call you know [TS]

01:12:49   that's what it's so fraught with me [TS]

01:12:52   almost like you Jenica l'√©nergie we [TS]

01:12:54   talked before about that can be in the [TS]

01:12:56   age before we came along you call the [TS]

01:12:58   gifted class [TS]

01:12:59   yeah and then you have to come up with [TS]

01:13:00   all these squarely names in my case of [TS]

01:13:02   differentiated educational opportunities [TS]

01:13:04   or de Oh what they called it but it's my [TS]

01:13:07   gift it's not advance its CEO it's a [TS]

01:13:09   technology [TS]

01:13:10   yeah okay well they called it program [TS]

01:13:12   for academically and creatively talented [TS]

01:13:14   or pack nice but then uh then I think [TS]

01:13:19   but initially the first program was [TS]

01:13:21   called dig which was I don't know dicey [TS]

01:13:24   that's one of those ones where it could [TS]

01:13:25   mean either way at my kids school they [TS]

01:13:27   have a program called roar which is for [TS]

01:13:29   the opposite kind of direction right you [TS]

01:13:31   want to try and yeah but yeah so how do [TS]

01:13:35   you balance this with like the sense [TS]

01:13:36   that all men are created equal and and [TS]

01:13:38   and women included [TS]

01:13:40   uh-huh uh-huh everyone and Thomas [TS]

01:13:45   Jefferson I'm gonna compelling doesn't [TS]

01:13:47   include women in the sequel all men and [TS]

01:13:49   women included plus men everybody right [TS]

01:13:52   not just the way you don't need a TV to [TS]

01:13:54   listen to Hamilton you don't even need a [TS]

01:13:57   TV I get it I get it from you and from [TS]

01:13:59   hodgman and I've heard almost every song [TS]

01:14:02   [Music] [TS]

01:14:03   give me 15 minutes and i will change [TS]

01:14:05   your life [TS]

01:14:06   iron Adam Savage talking about it haha [TS]

01:14:10   just a moment just a moment it's coming [TS]

01:14:13   at me from all sides I feel like going [TS]

01:14:15   drowning in a bucket on my network put [TS]

01:14:18   up putting pool of pudding is handled [TS]

01:14:21   so Janet and eat from what's-his-name [TS]

01:14:25   bar and Elijah Elijah and party with [TS]

01:14:27   Barton they're taking tender out and [TS]

01:14:29   putting them in the Academy with [TS]

01:14:30   Harrison Ford pardons job he's three [TS]

01:14:33   sleep in town is to not scare kids as he [TS]

01:14:36   takes them down a hallway and he's that [TS]

01:14:38   he's the one he's the anti clown and [TS]

01:14:41   unfortunately he sounds like exactly [TS]

01:14:42   like Bob Odenkirk in the sketch right [TS]

01:14:45   Ted the people that you told me idea [TS]

01:14:49   please don't kill me we mention it every [TS]

01:14:54   week for all you know I want again i [TS]

01:14:56   watch the game like I know I didn't do i [TS]

01:14:58   what was I watching the other day I said [TS]

01:15:00   it's sean i was like i miss watching TV [TS]

01:15:03   with you [TS]

01:15:04   oh god you're right you know not being [TS]

01:15:07   creepy around kids and we'll just do a [TS]

01:15:08   lightning round [TS]

01:15:09   what are some other ones what are some [TS]

01:15:11   other super abilities [TS]

01:15:12   uh-uh no where to go for dinner [TS]

01:15:17   oh my god you could hire somebody whose [TS]

01:15:20   only job was to tell you that and not [TS]

01:15:22   you know that and they're not getting [TS]

01:15:24   any kickbacks it's not another lady we [TS]

01:15:26   don't think they just go ahead you know [TS]

01:15:27   what's gonna get those a green noodles [TS]

01:15:29   we like yeah you know would be perfect [TS]

01:15:31   tonight is the is a little bit of [TS]

01:15:33   ethiopian food I didn't even think of me [TS]

01:15:35   I never would have thought of that [TS]

01:15:37   yeah there's those that puts a lot of [TS]

01:15:38   these come down to you know like I'm [TS]

01:15:42   always mentioning perfect pitch because [TS]

01:15:43   that fascinates me because i don't have [TS]

01:15:44   perfect pitch [TS]

01:15:45   i have i have the kind of picture even [TS]

01:15:47   though I'm not a good singer like I can [TS]

01:15:49   frequently start singing the song [TS]

01:15:51   because it's kind of playing in my head [TS]

01:15:52   like I know I don't I couldn't tell you [TS]

01:15:55   what he just started him [TS]

01:15:56   yeah like I can start singing like I [TS]

01:15:58   know this is how talk about talk about [TS]

01:15:59   the passion is indie and this is how it [TS]

01:16:01   starts [TS]

01:16:01   not sure about the past and got that uh [TS]

01:16:04   Dunc down that's probably pretty close [TS]

01:16:06   check it out [TS]

01:16:07   um not gonna become more will now run [TS]

01:16:10   that through a meter and tell you that [TS]

01:16:11   was a deep I please don't do that I want [TS]

01:16:14   I have what I want I want I want I want [TS]

01:16:19   an ethicist there are people who [TS]

01:16:22   understand that that not everything is [TS]

01:16:26   black and white and there are people [TS]

01:16:28   that understand that the fact that [TS]

01:16:29   things are not black and white is not [TS]

01:16:31   confusing it doesn't you know there are [TS]

01:16:34   a lot of sides to every story but [TS]

01:16:35   so like their lives of omission that are [TS]

01:16:38   better than the truth sometimes there [TS]

01:16:41   are you know they're there are [TS]

01:16:43   conditions and solutions are there there [TS]

01:16:48   there is an ethical path there's a [TS]

01:16:49   there's a best practice and you know a [TS]

01:16:54   lot of time we live in a place we live [TS]

01:16:57   we live in a world where the people that [TS]

01:16:59   tell the truth all the time presume a a [TS]

01:17:03   like a moral superiority and if you tell [TS]

01:17:06   a little white lie or you you know you [TS]

01:17:09   kind of prevaricate a little bit you [TS]

01:17:12   feel guilty about it even if it's even [TS]

01:17:14   if it feels expedient and then you come [TS]

01:17:17   out of it saying like well we got you [TS]

01:17:19   know we got the project accomplished i [TS]

01:17:21   had to tell Bob that that we needed him [TS]

01:17:24   off-site that day when in fact we just [TS]

01:17:26   wanted him not to be here and the [TS]

01:17:30   problem is that people that that [TS]

01:17:33   privilege social expediency well people [TS]

01:17:38   that people that say complete honesty is [TS]

01:17:42   the highest good you know a lot of those [TS]

01:17:46   people are kind of sociopath right now [TS]

01:17:48   complete honesty is not always that [TS]

01:17:50   there is a reason that there's lying and [TS]

01:17:53   it's you know like if it right if [TS]

01:17:56   complete honesty were just a pure good [TS]

01:17:59   i'm happy that you like your baby but it [TS]

01:18:01   is a grotesquerie yes your your child is [TS]

01:18:04   the second ugliest baby I've ever seen [TS]

01:18:06   the first ugliest baby was a was just a [TS]

01:18:09   little uglier than your I realized that [TS]

01:18:11   if I told you it was the ugliest baby [TS]

01:18:13   I've ever seen you would not realize [TS]

01:18:15   that I have seen many many ugly babies [TS]

01:18:17   and I know them well enough to say that [TS]

01:18:18   yours is the second ugliest which is to [TS]

01:18:20   say a very very ugly baby right value [TS]

01:18:24   honesty hello hello [TS]

01:18:26   but you know my problem personally is [TS]

01:18:30   that if I learned as a young person to [TS]

01:18:34   obfuscate [TS]

01:18:37   my movements it [TS]

01:18:42   hmm alright that's like we're not just [TS]

01:18:44   talking about jumping out of a train to [TS]

01:18:46   last minute [TS]

01:18:46   no I what when you talk about codes and [TS]

01:18:49   dog whistles I'm a little bit in a sense [TS]

01:18:52   that it was if somebody said where did [TS]

01:18:56   you do last night and it and it was a [TS]

01:19:00   simple question I would and continue to [TS]

01:19:04   uh would often answer [TS]

01:19:07   oh I went to the movies last night when [TS]

01:19:11   in fact i went to the library haha [TS]

01:19:14   classic misdirection that's right and in [TS]

01:19:17   fact and this has been pointed out to me [TS]

01:19:19   a thousand times in fact saying i went [TS]

01:19:23   to the library was actually like cool [TS]

01:19:27   thing to say [TS]

01:19:28   um singing oh I went to the library was [TS]

01:19:33   at least a conversation starter [TS]

01:19:34   what we doing at the library i was just [TS]

01:19:36   reading why would you say you went to [TS]

01:19:39   the movies [TS]

01:19:41   well the answer is i did just didn't [TS]

01:19:42   want people to know ya what I was doing [TS]

01:19:45   yeah i totally agree but the problem [TS]

01:19:47   people not too many things about people [TS]

01:19:49   well they do yeah and I got into that [TS]

01:19:52   habit as a young person and and I think [TS]

01:19:57   motivated by a desire not to be [TS]

01:19:59   completely known motivated by not be [TS]

01:20:01   knowable not to be Noble and not to you [TS]

01:20:04   know i'm not motivated by a sort of [TS]

01:20:06   introverted desire to be separate a [TS]

01:20:11   little bit and and to be contained [TS]

01:20:17   you know or or to not just be at like [TS]

01:20:20   accessible to everybody but the problem [TS]

01:20:22   is as I've gotten older how that habit [TS]

01:20:26   and instinct really gets in the way of [TS]

01:20:31   being intimate with people [TS]

01:20:33   hmm because when somebody that you're [TS]

01:20:37   intimate with says where did you go [TS]

01:20:38   yesterday and you say i went to the [TS]

01:20:40   movies and they say that's weird because [TS]

01:20:44   I just bumped into our mutual friend and [TS]

01:20:46   they said they saw you at the library [TS]

01:20:47   bomb [TS]

01:20:48   you know and yeah I do and I'm like uh [TS]

01:20:52   and then they say why are you lying and [TS]

01:20:55   the and the the premise is online [TS]

01:20:58   because i'm covering something up and [TS]

01:21:00   i'm not i'm just that's that's that's [TS]

01:21:01   the point of spycraft that's right right [TS]

01:21:05   i mean no no if you only live once [TS]

01:21:06   something to cover up to be a terrible [TS]

01:21:07   spy [TS]

01:21:08   yeah right you get off the plane you [TS]

01:21:10   assume you're being followed plausible [TS]

01:21:11   deniability to write but but it but it [TS]

01:21:14   actually is becoming a major issue in my [TS]

01:21:16   life right now because I don't know how [TS]

01:21:20   to charm a full-grown man I have [TS]

01:21:22   responsibilities but they're sometimes I [TS]

01:21:25   just say that I am doing one thing when [TS]

01:21:27   i'm doing another just to preserve that [TS]

01:21:30   feeling of of uh what feels very safe to [TS]

01:21:35   me secure that feeling that I that you [TS]

01:21:38   know not everybody knows what i'm doing [TS]

01:21:40   and i would love to sit down with like [TS]

01:21:46   somebody that has a superpower of being [TS]

01:21:51   able to know being able to stores [TS]

01:21:55   resolve that problem for me right this [TS]

01:21:57   is a major issue and it seems like a [TS]

01:21:59   minor ten tiny little thing where they [TS]

01:22:01   could they could find a way for you to [TS]

01:22:03   be how to put this less dishonest but [TS]

01:22:06   still be able to have the sense of [TS]

01:22:09   security [TS]

01:22:10   I'm trying to try to freeze on a very [TS]

01:22:12   general way because i don't know what [TS]

01:22:13   the solution is but it would involve you [TS]

01:22:15   feeling better other people feeling [TS]

01:22:16   better but you still maintaining [TS]

01:22:18   something important to you [TS]

01:22:19   yeah because my whole life people that [TS]

01:22:21   are close mirror want to be close to me [TS]

01:22:23   have said well the solution to it is [TS]

01:22:25   that you just start telling me what [TS]

01:22:26   you're doing and I go yeah easy let's [TS]

01:22:29   slow your roll [TS]

01:22:30   I know I know and they're like well if [TS]

01:22:31   you know if you loved me you would you [TS]

01:22:33   would you wouldn't feel like you need to [TS]

01:22:35   be apart for me it's like well hold on [TS]

01:22:37   now like I love my mom I feel like I [TS]

01:22:39   want to be apart from her like an easy [TS]

01:22:41   easy you know and and and but I carry a [TS]

01:22:44   lot of guilt because because yeah I hear [TS]

01:22:48   what you're saying i'm not trying to [TS]

01:22:50   exclude you from me right and so but but [TS]

01:22:54   this is a kind of ethical problem that [TS]

01:22:57   doesn't rise up to the level of [TS]

01:23:01   like let's go to let's ask my priest or [TS]

01:23:05   let's get you guys some tips from [TS]

01:23:06   Jennifer or Janet yeah or somebody was [TS]

01:23:09   like oh I feel I feel this situation [TS]

01:23:12   here they see they see it just it's like [TS]

01:23:14   somebody who can like saw the word [TS]

01:23:15   search to just look at it and boom it's [TS]

01:23:16   just jumping right out I'm they would [TS]

01:23:18   see that goal obviously here's one way [TS]

01:23:19   you can do that [TS]

01:23:20   yeah small-scale spiritual counseling [TS]

01:23:22   that doesn't require that I tall I like [TS]

01:23:24   that right [TS]

01:23:26   whoo-hoo are then there are those people [TS]

01:23:28   all around us [TS]

01:23:29   whoo-hoo just have that ability and I [TS]

01:23:32   call you know I call my sister who is [TS]

01:23:34   very very uh she has she's very intense [TS]

01:23:39   into the world of emotion but you know [TS]

01:23:41   she's coming at it from a place of super [TS]

01:23:44   intensity like you know get to know [TS]

01:23:47   yourself break out break down all the [TS]

01:23:49   walls burn your burn your body and a [TS]

01:23:52   pyre rise up as a Phoenix and I'm like [TS]

01:23:56   yes I yes I do want to do that but I [TS]

01:23:58   also just want to just I kind of just [TS]

01:24:00   want to get my fingers around this [TS]

01:24:02   little issue of like I want to be close [TS]

01:24:04   to people i don't want them to feel I'm [TS]

01:24:06   excluding them but somehow i'm [TS]

01:24:08   constantly habitually telling little T [TS]

01:24:11   me lies of omission just to keep a [TS]

01:24:14   buffer between me and everybody [TS]

01:24:15   interesting and you know I just want a [TS]

01:24:18   little friend to say a little superpower [TS]

01:24:20   is sniffing out little eyes too [TS]

01:24:22   that's absolutely true there are people [TS]

01:24:25   you can lie to all day and they're just [TS]

01:24:26   like carpenter petal means I'll just [TS]

01:24:29   figure it out [TS]

01:24:30   yeah terrible judge of character and i [TS]

01:24:31   can tell when people are I can't tell [TS]

01:24:33   anything you can tell when somebody's [TS]

01:24:35   lying to you i can tell us i could tell [TS]

01:24:37   when somebody I feel like I can tell [TS]

01:24:39   when somebody is nervously bullshitting [TS]

01:24:42   me for reasons but now I just I don't [TS]

01:24:45   know I just I just throw my hands [TS]

01:24:48   these are all stupid that all of these [TS]

01:24:49   are require some ability to see a [TS]

01:24:53   situation in a way other people do not [TS]

01:24:55   and to identify a solution that's really [TS]

01:24:57   not obvious [TS]

01:24:58   yeah or not obvious to the people that [TS]

01:25:03   don't have yours your talent are you [TS]

01:25:06   still there [TS]

01:25:06   no I'm still here unless an ipod and [TS]

01:25:08   pausing the fucking podcast because next [TS]

01:25:11   door for the next two months [TS]

01:25:13   we're going to apparently be banging on [TS]

01:25:15   the wall all day long hear that yeah [TS]

01:25:20   yeah I was wondering if you were playing [TS]

01:25:21   the bongos more coffee [TS]

01:25:23   however the other was stones they were [TS]

01:25:26   there they were blowing up stones in the [TS]

01:25:28   floor and carrying the mountain and [TS]

01:25:29   dropping them what are they they're [TS]

01:25:31   going to turn it into a really cool [TS]

01:25:33   little oyster bar or something I [TS]

01:25:34   couldn't say [TS]

01:25:35   right right right oh that's right course [TS]

01:25:39   because if you said yes [TS]

01:25:41   my problem is I lie and then identify [TS]

01:25:43   that I just like that's my super skill [TS]

01:25:48   no it's not [TS]

01:25:50   [Music] [TS]