Roderick on the Line

Ep. 211: "Character of the Mountain"

 

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  hello hi John I'm Merlin how's it going [TS]

  good I when I when I picked up the phone [TS]

  i heard you make a sound which I almost [TS]

  never do you work in the middle of going [TS]

  oh you heard that [TS]

  yeah what was that wonder how far back [TS]

  the recording begins I'm not sure that's [TS]

  really awkward was a little time jump [TS]

  well I'm you know trying to get better [TS]

  about you know reducing my mouth noises [TS]

  was not right [TS]

  well you know I I hope it's you know [TS]

  subtle change I've always found your [TS]

  mouth noises to be fairly a fairly [TS]

  charming [TS]

  yeah sometimes I hear them and I [TS]

  realized there's a lot of making more of [TS]

  them i think my body is developing [TS]

  existential Fisher's oh dear [TS]

  yeah we'll just be like kind of random [TS]

  for coming from somewhere [TS]

  yeah I've been hearing sounds completely [TS]

  to again it sounds silly to also might [TS]

  have my array of unconscious anxiety [TS]

  noises has been widening posters give me [TS]

  an example of some of those well my [TS]

  classic I very similar in some ways to [TS]

  the dustin hoffman noise in the Graduate [TS]

  my classic used to just be this haha i [TS]

  remember that noise and then as [TS]

  sometimes when i'm waking up in the [TS]

  morning and I'm realizing what a rack my [TS]

  life is all go haha or again you know I [TS]

  i make something very similar to another [TS]

  classic does not annoy just a boy oh boy [TS]

  that's a good one [TS]

  leave the one you do in the morning I [TS]

  think Jonathan Coulton does that what [TS]

  how did he do it [TS]

  nah yeah oh no I totally do that [TS]

  sometimes in the morning i just did in [TS]

  the noises that we make there's a [TS]

  there's a noise that noise and my wife [TS]

  makes that i picked up which is like if [TS]

  you if you're in the middle of dropping [TS]

  something or you know goofing giving up [TS]

  something especially when you're [TS]

  dropping something she goes like this [TS]

  ah right just yeah and i started doing [TS]

  that I got a lot of them i got a lot of [TS]

  anxiety noises most of them are in my [TS]

  head but sometimes they they pop out [TS]

  I when i'm dropping something i do the [TS]

  thing that I guess I think of it being a [TS]

  Three Stooges sound but I've never [TS]

  really watched the three stooges enough [TS]

  to [TS]

  no it's right to make their curly noise [TS]

  yeah I do like me [TS]

  yeah that's a good one you want yeah [TS]

  yeah no no I don't do that it's like [TS]

  more [TS]

  yeah yeah oh it's like it's bouncing to [TS]

  the floor yeah like Big Mac once I do [TS]

  the i do that mm-hmm [TS]

  oh yeah we both do that i mean i make [TS]

  I've been told they make a lot of food [TS]

  choices i have a variety from noises but [TS]

  those are dyed to play those tactically [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  beginner the the parts about my broken [TS]

  like those come out little squeaks yeah [TS]

  yeah mm-hmm [TS]

  I'm not sure that I make a lot of [TS]

  squeaking sounds yeah you don't seem [TS]

  like you have things I well it's funny [TS]

  you know isn't it true though that when [TS]

  you when you read enough library books [TS]

  about mental health that it turns out [TS]

  that anxiety manifests itself as all [TS]

  other disorders [TS]

  there's a little its yet I this is it [TS]

  i'm not a clinician as you know [TS]

  no well but if you're right you do great [TS]

  nails don't think you do the best you [TS]

  can do a little flag you know I'll do [TS]

  you know Charlie Daniels Band your [TS]

  french nails are some of the best thank [TS]

  you 10 people say they're not classy but [TS]

  I think French the French tip is a nice [TS]

  tip that's a nice tip and you know uh I [TS]

  think you know I feel like there's a lot [TS]

  of things were you know the laypersons [TS]

  idea of mental health comes kind of [TS]

  falls down in these areas that are [TS]

  little unsubtle and so you may not see [TS]

  for example that there's anxiety and [TS]

  depression in so many different things [TS]

  and in fact there's anxiety and [TS]

  depression and there's depression [TS]

  anxiety which seemed mutual exclusive [TS]

  unless you've lived it [TS]

  yeah and they're they're both really [TS]

  right there mm you know they they work [TS]

  real nice their kind of salt and pepper [TS]

  of small mental illness [TS]

  uh-huh oh I love that salt and pepper [TS]

  record shoot shoot they do i'm so sad [TS]

  and my lifestyle flaming wreck [TS]

  dooby-doo that's a really good song that [TS]

  song came out making 93 it's still [TS]

  really good [TS]

  there are so many good that salt and [TS]

  pepper record their date that's where [TS]

  they took control you know spinderella [TS]

  is no slouch [TS]

  hmm but they had they had been i think [TS]

  they had a little bit i don't know a lot [TS]

  about this but I think they have a lot [TS]

  little bit of a situation with their you [TS]

  know every band has their that person [TS]

  that God let's talk about left eye lopes [TS]

  well she's so crazy [TS]

  sdlc the right oh yeah right that's what [TS]

  I get confused no no I can confused all [TS]

  the time [TS]

  TLC chase did they take counsel not to [TS]

  chase a waterfall [TS]

  that's right but but some pepper you you [TS]

  were saying that they had AI think they [TS]

  had they had a they had a marie wilson [TS]

  type they had a handler [TS]

  oh IC and I think that's the [TS]

  transitional record where the one lady [TS]

  was like look i can write really good [TS]

  songs you know and work on the [TS]

  production and that was kind i think [TS]

  Shoop was co-authored with their marie [TS]

  wilson and then and then they went on [TS]

  the road without that's a strong record [TS]

  and for its time I I mean that's always [TS]

  such faint praise but you know that was [TS]

  that was kind of a pretty wild like you [TS]

  know these are sexually empowered ladies [TS]

  like doing a really legitimate you know [TS]

  hip-hop song and it was like I was like [TS]

  a top x song top x I don't see I'm [TS]

  trying to look at wikipedia but i'm [TS]

  pretty sure it did well I'm sure to I [TS]

  think it might have been number one [TS]

  you're talking about number one hit [TS]

  well something like that shoot you know [TS]

  this was that that was precisely the air [TS]

  when I was not I was not a I'm not able [TS]

  to comment on popular culture between 91 [TS]

  in 94 with with any kind of reliability [TS]

  because those were the top years that I [TS]

  was not what I was disconnected out [TS]

  really thats I'd like to explore that i [TS]

  would also like to say publicly to [TS]

  apologize that you know you know me [TS]

  right [TS]

  you know I is still because of my own [TS]

  personal interests and time and focus i [TS]

  still think of 1989 as being kind of [TS]

  like the apotheosis of hip-hop move the [TS]

  dude of you haven't talked about this [TS]

  but you know what I i guess when I say [TS]

  that on the one hand i'm forgetting how [TS]

  much stuff was that I thought I was [TS]

  aware of was really good circuit 93-94 [TS]

  and now in retrospect going back and [TS]

  listening to more I can't believe how [TS]

  much I missed because I was one of those [TS]

  people who was like [TS]

  you know the gangster the dark stuff the [TS]

  gang stuff the East Coast West Coast all [TS]

  that stuff really put me off i was not a [TS]

  huge I didn't a time like a biggie but [TS]

  like I'm back and I've been listening to [TS]

  so much stuff from like 93 94 in [TS]

  particular and it's fantastic and I feel [TS]

  like a doofus for how much I missed [TS]

  there's a guy there is a guy follow on [TS]

  twitter [TS]

  whoo-hoo really really will take on all [TS]

  comers if anybody tries to step to him [TS]

  by saying that there's a better rapper [TS]

  than Vicki and I I'm learning that is a [TS]

  commonly held belief [TS]

  yeah and uh hilo watching his thread [TS]

  unfold as you know various people will [TS]

  say but but but what about and he just [TS]

  destroys them with with biggie defense [TS]

  big biggie because its empirical yeah [TS]

  i'm not familiar with the with with a [TS]

  lot of those catalogs because it all [TS]

  took place [TS]

  I mean I'm much more familiar with with [TS]

  the hip-hop of the last 10 years then I [TS]

  was at that central because you know i [TS]

  think i was still caught in in like I [TS]

  went I went down that tribe called quest [TS]

  corridor right during that period which [TS]

  fields which in some ways feels like the [TS]

  last chapter of that story in some ways [TS]

  yeah at it does it feels like a like a [TS]

  hip-hop was getting really smart really [TS]

  conscious it's and more and more [TS]

  ambitious like introducing jazz and [TS]

  stuff like that it really felt like wow [TS]

  this is going to get can get more [TS]

  interesting than this and while at the [TS]

  same time about the same time you gotta [TS]

  see hammer you got no ice [TS]

  eventually a crisscross you get you know [TS]

  how to paint and stuff like that we're [TS]

  like in my mind I was kinda like [TS]

  shutting down gonna go well this is jump [TS]

  the shark at this point like Biz Markie [TS]

  I mean there was a lot of there's a lot [TS]

  to related it splintered let's say huh [TS]

  then what survived it was not what I [TS]

  would have expected was gonna survive it [TS]

  right i mean the all the stuff that [TS]

  seems like really cool and [TS]

  and and intellectual I guess I mean that [TS]

  when Atlanta what Atlanta rose to the [TS]

  top was the was when I kind of felt like [TS]

  what is what why of all the things of [TS]

  all the directions that hip-hop could [TS]

  explore wise atlanta leading the charge [TS]

  and I said I I felt that way because i [TS]

  was a Pacific Northwest booster and the [TS]

  hip-hop here was always smarter and [TS]

  maybe a little bit less hook driven but [TS]

  also liked the stuff that was getting a [TS]

  lot of airplay was and i'm probably [TS]

  conflating my dates here but it was more [TS]

  like what became of the dirty south kind [TS]

  of stuff which and on for me but but you [TS]

  go back and listen listen to like late [TS]

  nineties outcast and its really good [TS]

  sure I mean like I Phi was not aware of [TS]

  that but I'm not back in like even the [TS]

  last week especially I've been listening [TS]

  to what I have to [TS]

  you're gonna hate me for this but like [TS]

  being into Hamilton you can go in kind [TS]

  of 10 here's the thing is you know what [TS]

  I should have a list of anxiety sounds [TS]

  that i make only what will start talking [TS]

  about Hamill yeah this is not a bit but [TS]

  i always say is that he is very generous [TS]

  about saying you know for example like [TS]

  you know this song like which one like [TS]

  satisfied [TS]

  uh it's very very similar in some ways [TS]

  that's very helpless is very similar to [TS]

  clockwise by Beyonce a song that i [TS]

  totally passed me by I go back and [TS]

  listen clockwise I'm like this long [TS]

  fucking great [TS]

  this is a really great song like a huge [TS]

  influence this song by Mobb Deep called [TS]

  this shook ones part 2 so freaking good [TS]

  now i'm going back and I listen to like [TS]

  illmatic a long time ago I finally went [TS]

  back and listened illmatic all the way [TS]

  through and it's fucking genius so or [TS]

  like now you know there's a time when I [TS]

  was really into tang clan and the [TS]

  offshoot albums they had a pretty good [TS]

  like pretty good like two years of like [TS]

  solo stuff and wu-tang stuff and it is [TS]

  really it is really special and I want [TS]

  to eat my words and say I was I was dead [TS]

  wrong [TS]

  it got different if not just better it [TS]

  definitely more sophisticated but the [TS]

  flow became more important you know the [TS]

  flow as we come [TS]

  I know how important flows it always was [TS]

  and so 91 we start with you any of this [TS]

  stuff that your clothes and well you [TS]

  know the heavy flow i would I you know I [TS]

  think that's actually what I well how I [TS]

  think of you [TS]

  well you don't need a medic mid 90s [TS]

  hip-hop is a lot like any kind of humor [TS]

  where a woman i thought i did not I did [TS]

  not mean that to go back into the 9700 [TS]

  I'm gonna say is that you can dissect it [TS]

  and say why this is more successful than [TS]

  that and you can talk about nozzles [TS]

  internal rhyme schemes but it doesn't [TS]

  really get at the thing it's like you [TS]

  know it's like trying to say like why [TS]

  this money python bit is funnier than [TS]

  that one but that's always going to say [TS]

  about you just described described [TS]

  months and months of my life I was not I [TS]

  believe me I thought about it but 91 294 [TS]

  you were still doing your thing then huh [TS]

  yeah well yeah and also completely [TS]

  unplugged from I'm gonna have people ask [TS]

  him how it is that i can i can claim [TS]

  that I don't consume media intentional [TS]

  not ask that and yet also have you know [TS]

  passing knowledge or i can at least keep [TS]

  in the game of a conversation about [TS]

  anything i can tell you a song comes on [TS]

  the radio I can identify it and say who [TS]

  it is and I can't explain that exactly [TS]

  either you know like I haven't bought on [TS]

  a record album in a long long time and [TS]

  and even then it was you know I bought a [TS]

  record album once like a i can count on [TS]

  a couple of hands the number of albums i [TS]

  bought since I was out of high school [TS]

  really but yeah I mean but what if I [TS]

  bought 15 albums maybe I mean the never [TS]

  talk about the the day out [TS]

  ok computer came out the day ok computer [TS]

  no I don't know about that day I think [TS]

  there's any year that didn't happen but [TS]

  that did that it didn't happen it was [TS]

  the only thing that happened [TS]

  actually hear about the typo i was [TS]

  sitting at my I was sitting at my in my [TS]

  store my little uh magazine store and I [TS]

  I love to read the british pop magazines [TS]

  q and mojo and enemy and stuff like that [TS]

  so I was sitting on my counter at work [TS]

  you know ringing ringing up people's [TS]

  newspapers and reading probably q and [TS]

  here's an article about Radiohead in the [TS]

  studio and they're in there and they're [TS]

  working on their new record they've been [TS]

  working on it for a long time and it's [TS]

  getting ready to come out and i'm [TS]

  reading this article and I'm like this [TS]

  is really interesting like you know but [TS]

  I don't know this band but but i really [TS]

  liked this article and it got to the end [TS]

  and you know we always got the british [TS]

  pop magazines on a little bit of a delay [TS]

  because they had to come in the post and [TS]

  it gets to the end of the article and it [TS]

  says you know the records coming out [TS]

  April whatever and i'm like 'that's [TS]

  today and so I picked up the phone how [TS]

  right i do instead somebody bring it to [TS]

  you [TS]

  yeah Ryan to write you remember this [TS]

  called the record store day at the end [TS]

  of the at the end of the neighborhoods [TS]

  like this [TS]

  Radiohead and he was like it just came [TS]

  out today it's incredible and I was like [TS]

  why I don't you know i don't get off [TS]

  until 11 and I know your store closes at [TS]

  nine is there anyway we can wear and he [TS]

  was like out bring it to you right and [TS]

  and I was so like every once in a while [TS]

  something like that will happen where it [TS]

  sounds like I'm a massive fan of things [TS]

  and like I had a guy bring me the record [TS]

  before the store closed but no that was [TS]

  just the one time that ever happened but [TS]

  it just so happened that it was ok [TS]

  computer and you know and that was [TS]

  obviously a record that was on it that [TS]

  was on heavy rotation only rotation [TS]

  maybe but so anyway during that period [TS]

  the early nineties right I was consuming [TS]

  a ton of stuff because i was living in [TS]

  seattle and surrounded by culture [TS]

  that was happening a certain culture but [TS]

  as far as what was on TV at that time or [TS]

  what the what the contemporary fashion [TS]

  was maybe or what any kind of music that [TS]

  was happening outside of my outside of [TS]

  the world that of happenstance and I [TS]

  guess that's what it is but it's a it's [TS]

  a happenstance thing we are we were on [TS]

  tour one time and Sean was DJing and the [TS]

  DJ game you know we're driving into the [TS]

  night we're the only two that are awake [TS]

  and he started he started asking me like [TS]

  what band is this what song is this and [TS]

  I could and I could tell him and so the [TS]

  DJ game became can Shawn play a song [TS]

  that I don't that I can't tell him what [TS]

  band is and we drove through the night [TS]

  and somehow and i have no idea how I was [TS]

  able to identify every band food and [TS]

  Sean's really trust you know like [TS]

  shooting out some obscure shit I [TS]

  couldn't do that now [TS]

  right but 2004 i could just be like yeah [TS]

  I think that's probably you know just [TS]

  sort of died it wasn't all very [TS]

  confident but I could listen to it and [TS]

  get the vibe of it and then pull down [TS]

  out of my you know Terminator menu like [TS]

  this is you know this has got to be [TS]

  behead coats and I was just thinking [TS]

  ahead [TS]

  I mean how would you know like I'd I [TS]

  cannot tell you how i would so it's a [TS]

  it's I think it's a like it's a there's [TS]

  a permeability to me that I here and [TS]

  register stuff but but I don't [TS]

  intentionally seek it out and I don't [TS]

  sit around and consumers voluntarily [TS]

  yeah and during that era I was just yeah [TS]

  I was soaking in it [TS]

  let's its I'm this is not totally [TS]

  analogous but it might be a little bit [TS]

  sports wear when i was a kid i was very [TS]

  into following sports professional [TS]

  sports especially baseball and most [TS]

  especially the Reds you know and just [TS]

  the National League in general and so [TS]

  far you know for a couple three years i [TS]

  would seek that out in addition to it [TS]

  being [TS]

  just a huge part of my environment [TS]

  living in Cincinnati but i mean i would [TS]

  look at the sports page i need the box [TS]

  scores i know who is out by two and a [TS]

  half games and stuff like that I knew [TS]

  who's batting averages were what that's [TS]

  here with the thing is you think about [TS]

  think about baseball think about the ND [TS]

  think about any of those things you have [TS]

  so much more attention for that stuff [TS]

  when you're younger so back then yes I [TS]

  did seek that out and I collect baseball [TS]

  cards etc etc all the things of the kid [TS]

  does but arm announced but now today I [TS]

  don't follow sports [TS]

  yeah but you can keep it moving in the [TS]

  Congo but it's it's everywhere so you [TS]

  kind of you know you kind of have to [TS]

  know at least a little bit about sports [TS]

  in order to be a man in America like you [TS]

  can't just get you considered I think [TS]

  it's considered somewhat confrontational [TS]

  to go into a discussion going to talk [TS]

  about sports [TS]

  I don't even like boards well yeah I [TS]

  mean like it obviously that's a certain [TS]

  kind of like you know I don't even have [TS]

  a tubular my now I know I don't even [TS]

  know what he was something I need the TV [TS]

  understand but I'm but I think that's [TS]

  part of it and we know you're just [TS]

  surrounded by it and it's it's what [TS]

  other people are talking about and [TS]

  you're just picking stuff up but you [TS]

  know music also is different because [TS]

  even though you may have heard the name [TS]

  the head coats don't know how to [TS]

  pronounce that the head coach many times [TS]

  you may not [TS]

  I mean how would you have known that [TS]

  particular like oh this is brian [TS]

  jonestown massacre like how would you [TS]

  know that you know i don't know i don't [TS]

  know let's um let's go let's go this [TS]

  direction do you think Pete Rose should [TS]

  be in the Hall of Fame I feel like Pete [TS]

  Rose yes probably [TS]

  and I feel like he should be under some [TS]

  sort of conservatorship I'm not the word [TS]

  is I think someone should be his power [TS]

  of attorney and like should get him to [TS]

  quit Donald trumping all the time being [TS]

  such a dumbass but no I mean you know uh [TS]

  I do I think that's I think that is a I [TS]

  don't think about it a lot but you're [TS]

  asking I think he is it is not a very [TS]

  nice person he's not a very smart person [TS]

  but he was legitimately great at what he [TS]

  did and what he eventually did in the [TS]

  late seventies early eighties shouldn't [TS]

  have an effect on the way 20 years that [TS]

  he was people right right giving praise [TS]

  lawns Barry Bonds should be in the whole [TS]

  thing I i'm home run hitter right yeah I [TS]

  I don't know that's complicated [TS]

  I Alex Rodriguez you like a murder not [TS]

  like the guys is right [TS]

  right now ya know why everybody but when [TS]

  people have strong feelings with it was [TS]

  here a doping scandal [TS]

  well yes ok but i think is so Alex [TS]

  Rodriguez was as was a seattle mariner [TS]

  how to do the Yankees he will eventually [TS]

  so he left he was a seattle mariner he [TS]

  was a very popular player i mean in the [TS]

  sense of his game but nobody really [TS]

  liked him right everybody likes ken [TS]

  griffey jr. here in Seattle it's ken [TS]

  griffey jr. walks into a restaurant here [TS]

  at everybody just falls on the floor it [TS]

  was it was easily mariner giggling he [TS]

  was a he was a mariner all through that [TS]

  he was the one he was the young guy that [TS]

  like brought the Mariners to Nationals [TS]

  you know his dad from the Rebs right [TS]

  right and he was just this charming kid [TS]

  that could hit the ball out of the park [TS]

  and everybody loved him and you know the [TS]

  stadium that we built here we certain [TS]

  people will call it the house that [TS]

  Griffey built I would never call it ok i [TS]

  would say it wasn't how you think about [TS]

  things [TS]

  it was the house that got built after [TS]

  three different three different citywide [TS]

  boats each vote Tony against the steps [TS]

  are different on the shirt but um but uh [TS]

  but so Rodriguez he was a great player [TS]

  but but that was the intro era tu and I [TS]

  mean it there were a lot of people to [TS]

  like and he was not one of them and then [TS]

  he signed the richest deal in the [TS]

  history of baseball 250 million dollars [TS]

  or something to place in texas rangers [TS]

  and then he traded to the yankees and I [TS]

  think the Rangers have to keep paying [TS]

  him somehow that so he gets paid by the [TS]

  AE ideal like that you should get that [TS]

  kind of deal i should have won the last [TS]

  25 years shit doc shit dog but anyway so [TS]

  Rodriguez like he's happy place on the [TS]

  yankees one of the all-time I think is [TS]

  the number for home run hitter in [TS]

  history [TS]

  barry bonds of course the great Barry [TS]

  Bonds being number one a deeply [TS]

  unlikable character you were here in San [TS]

  Francisco during his reign right yeah [TS]

  yeah yeah I mean it's funny he just he [TS]

  just radiates unpleasantness [TS]

  yeah yeah he doesn't seem likely see ken [TS]

  griffey jr. and it's like yeah just [TS]

  no he seems like he would talk to a kid [TS]

  but Barry Bonds part also the earring [TS]

  and only theory [TS]

  yeah yeah yeahs get ken griffey jr. I [TS]

  mean what ken griffey jr. bought a house [TS]

  in Florida and I don't this is a long [TS]

  time ago I don't care about baseball or [TS]

  any of that but when he bought a house [TS]

  in Florida I felt a little bit betrayed [TS]

  like Ken what are you doing why you [TS]

  buying a house in Florida man your [TS]

  seattle guy and then when he traded oh I [TS]

  was any I think he went to his dad's [TS]

  team right there was some reason hmmm [TS]

  but I felt like we didn't mean it's a [TS]

  little bit at the same way with a churro [TS]

  went it was like what you guys are [TS]

  Seattle Seattle where you going where [TS]

  you going man but we don't talk about [TS]

  that i think i think that the players [TS]

  moving other places is a super [TS]

  interesting phenomena Yeah a like hair [TS]

  like you know every game you go to every [TS]

  game you see so many people had a for [TS]

  the Giants in last year's had like a Tim [TS]

  Lincecum Jersey you know like you know [TS]

  as there's these characters who become [TS]

  so synonymous with the team and it's why [TS]

  people go to the games i had at one [TS]

  point I had a Jason Giambi days blouse [TS]

  and it's funny because like that he's [TS]

  not much was that more a housecoat and [TS]

  generally house could really i misused [TS]

  the word should we use all the time like [TS]

  else if something sells ago like it fell [TS]

  together like a like a wine i know you [TS]

  really should ease luxury is ashish [TS]

  model but yeah like that's a beautiful [TS]

  chemise and the person I'm complimenting [TS]

  will go huh [TS]

  no this is a chemise know that's like [TS]

  pingas it's a good word but it is funny [TS]

  because like you know it's it's such a [TS]

  complicated not of feelings and brand [TS]

  and business there in 44 everybody I [TS]

  mean for the team for the player for the [TS]

  people like you understand I'm again [TS]

  just to be clear I'm not trying to be [TS]

  cynical about this [TS]

  I've had those feelings i bought those [TS]

  products like I feel that bond [TS]

  I mean I have you know Marvel character [TS]

  sitting around here my my office [TS]

  it's just that it's funny though when [TS]

  somebody does leave them people just [TS]

  people are so sad they're so crestfallen [TS]

  and now like that that Lincecum jersey I [TS]

  mean like what you gonna do with that [TS]

  you can [TS]

  wear that around yeah what you got to do [TS]

  with that ya can't wear that around can [TS]

  wear that around [TS]

  well I mean I people people do I see I [TS]

  people at baseball games i mean the the [TS]

  sheer amount of mariners merchandise [TS]

  not to mention like Yankees merchandise [TS]

  I mean they're the the number of yankees [TS]

  baseball caps in the world has got to [TS]

  exceed the number of domesticated cats [TS]

  in the world like this time more yankees [TS]

  hats and people Empire is 1.1 yankees [TS]

  hats per person [TS]

  it's like cellphones in south korea 41.1 [TS]

  some like 1.1 1.2 cell phones per person [TS]

  in south korea so right [TS]

  they have their beyond one hundred [TS]

  percent saturation but well haven't you [TS]

  been hundreds in saturated never had [TS]

  that I happens to me all the time you [TS]

  know I often do this program in the back [TS]

  i I really felt strongly about it 0 and [TS]

  it was because he just had a grace as [TS]

  kind of personal grace and the fact that [TS]

  he spoke English but insisted on doing [TS]

  all these interviews through a [TS]

  translator the way he the way he walked [TS]

  out on the field his little quirks you [TS]

  know he was a tall man he was not a [TS]

  small guy huh his peers just reliable [TS]

  and there's a lot of criticism of him [TS]

  for the way he sort of appeared at least [TS]

  to be batting for himself and his own [TS]

  legacy rather than for the team i guess [TS]

  but III can't [TS]

  that just seems like weird sports talk [TS]

  that seems like sports radio talk and I [TS]

  often wondered why he singled so much [TS]

  when he clearly could have knocked that [TS]

  ball out of the park also like you know [TS]

  he could have he could have tried to be [TS]

  a hero like a like a Alex Rodriguez type [TS]

  where it's just like Grand Slam [TS]

  uh-huh but he just was this workman like [TS]

  plumped the ball into the field [TS]

  somewhere where nobody can catch it we [TS]

  call it a small small small ball move [TS]

  the move the the runners forward [TS]

  but I really admired it and I just liked [TS]

  everything about him I just like his [TS]

  physicality it's one of those things [TS]

  where I mean I don't are you watching [TS]

  the olympics one of the problems for me [TS]

  of watching the olympics is that I cry [TS]

  every time really doesn't thing [TS]

  interesting i heard the swimming lady [TS]

  did really well I saw an infographic of [TS]

  swimming and it looked very amazing [TS]

  she's extraordinary athlete but like the [TS]

  the way that they televise the Olympics [TS]

  the the the commentators are are so off [TS]

  like I mean really invasive ring but [TS]

  yeah I was a large community that was [TS]

  watching them yesterday and a [TS]

  commentator actually said well you know [TS]

  do you think she can pull it off and the [TS]

  other person said well I think she can [TS]

  pull it off [TS]

  the question is will she wow that's a [TS]

  really good point so it's actually [TS]

  Campbell will she [TS]

  yeah and I was just like wow you know I [TS]

  can do I could do that job [TS]

  yeah but is it really this game is going [TS]

  to come down to whoever puts more points [TS]

  on the board the events right that's [TS]

  right who I mean who's got hard [TS]

  oh and the other thing is these guys [TS]

  came to play ball but they really the [TS]

  the Olympics the way we televise them at [TS]

  least he doesn't like a bit there's a [TS]

  story there like I what I call file card [TS]

  you get a file card always mom drove him [TS]

  to pull every morning at 2am that cancer [TS]

  or the or the lately they're doing this [TS]

  thing that I've never seen in past [TS]

  olympics weather like this person has [TS]

  been is a five-time olympian who's never [TS]

  wanna metal all cinderella stories and I [TS]

  guess yeah you're just like wow we've [TS]

  been to the Olympics five times I've [TS]

  never won a medal luge on their do well [TS]

  and it just feels like okay you are one [TS]

  of the greatest athletes of our time [TS]

  because you've been to the Olympics not [TS]

  just once [TS]

  five times huh and yet she like Oh [TS]

  championship eludes you [TS]

  how must that feel I mean to be the [TS]

  greatest athlete like there there's a [TS]

  diver a competitive diver from China a [TS]

  woman who's been to the Olympics five [TS]

  times and has more [TS]

  gold medals than anyone in the history [TS]

  of diving and you just watch your diving [TS]

  you're like wow that's that's [TS]

  exceptional you know or watch the US [TS]

  gymnastics team you just like I don't [TS]

  even understand what's happening [TS]

  I couldn't describe that move if I had a [TS]

  if you know if I had a powerpoint [TS]

  demonstration right but to to be one of [TS]

  the greatest athletes of your country [TS]

  and of our time and have never won a [TS]

  medal [TS]

  yes i am now emotionally engaged in this [TS]

  like I just wanted two different story [TS]

  now it's also it's all it's a story [TS]

  about overcoming and it's also announced [TS]

  the aging but it's a story about getting [TS]

  older [TS]

  yeah there's no how many more chances [TS]

  are they going to have there's a gymnast [TS]

  from Uzbekistan just a 40-year old lady [TS]

  was fucking 40 years old that's crazy [TS]

  and she's out there competing with the [TS]

  you know with 16 year olds yeah but I [TS]

  don't even need any of that [TS]

  contextualizing drama building American [TS]

  television like let's make it you know [TS]

  let's make everything MTV's the real [TS]

  world impulse just watching sports [TS]

  people performing at their highest level [TS]

  i just will start to cry about any [TS]

  competition where I see somebody be [TS]

  performed beautifully because at that at [TS]

  that level of sport the difference [TS]

  between somebody who is one of the [TS]

  greatest in the world and the greatest [TS]

  in the world is so profound [TS]

  yeah you know like this person ran that [TS]

  race and they you know where within two [TS]

  tenths of a second behind the leader but [TS]

  the leader ran with this indescribable [TS]

  ility that I that I have this emotional [TS]

  response to and I don't know why and I [TS]

  don't know how I can't control it and I [TS]

  sit there I'm just like I'm I don't cry [TS]

  I don't cry but if firm you know if I [TS]

  saw somebody if I saw like well i think [TS]

  i would probably cry if I saw something [TS]

  bad [TS]

  I'm not sure maybe i do crack I don't [TS]

  typically cry in the course of a week or [TS]

  month [TS]

  four-year um I don't cry about things [TS]

  that happened to me but watching [TS]

  somebody do a race and and you know [TS]

  thrill of victory agony of defeat [TS]

  I just get so worked up and I and I so [TS]

  best thing [TS]

  ya feel that way about truly great [TS]

  moments in sports of all kinds when [TS]

  somebody does some baseball thing that [TS]

  that just is that's captivatingly good [TS]

  evenin a mundane game where some you [TS]

  know where fielder just pulls off a [TS]

  catch I'm just like oh and i'm not sure [TS]

  if i'm not sure if sports fans are [TS]

  experiencing those feelings too and [TS]

  that's why sports is so popular with [TS]

  people i find i find it almost a little [TS]

  overwhelming [TS]

  yeah yeah it's it's also my my my friend [TS]

  John Gruber as put it this way i think [TS]

  this is pretty smart you know there's [TS]

  some people who are into baseball for [TS]

  the numbers and some people who are into [TS]

  baseball for the story and I thought [TS]

  that was a really nice point the first [TS]

  person to say that but I think that's [TS]

  really smart and people who are into the [TS]

  story are into this much longer arc of [TS]

  like not just this inning [TS]

  we're not just not not this at bat this [TS]

  inning this game this are you know [TS]

  double header or whatever this not even [TS]

  the season is the grand Ark of the big [TS]

  story about the Yankees yeah oh and I'm [TS]

  looking I'm looking right now is funny [TS]

  you should mention that at an article in [TS]

  the new york post where is Jeter ranked [TS]

  in the top 10 greatest Yankees nice well [TS]

  except the writer says cheater isn't [TS]

  even in the top 10 Yankees and then he [TS]

  proceeds to talk about babe the babe the [TS]

  babe and lou gehrig enjoy DiMaggio and [TS]

  Mickey Mantle and Yogi Berra boo and [TS]

  you're just like there are a lot of big [TS]

  Yankees there are a lot of top Yankees [TS]

  where's Derek Jeter going to fall the [TS]

  writer [TS]

  wait so wait it is it written by Derek [TS]

  Jeter no oh no it is writing as a is [TS]

  writing it's being written in a way to [TS]

  like brushback the kids brush [TS]

  back ya hip-hop generation all these [TS]

  kids today with the rock-and-roll they [TS]

  don't know from Yankees yeah they're [TS]

  millennia their millenniums you know [TS]

  they're Derek Jeter up there it's like [TS]

  you don't even have you ever even heard [TS]

  of YT for you don't even you can't your [TS]

  jeter is your whitey Ford fan that name [TS]

  is less three albums not a fan Don [TS]

  Mattingly please [TS]

  and so yeah that arc of baseball the [TS]

  level where where the Chicago White Sox [TS]

  haven't won a game in two thousand years [TS]

  yeah the Boston whalers haven't scored a [TS]

  puck uh-huh [TS]

  in the 54,000 hundreds called the curse [TS]

  of the Gambino's and well yea rightfully [TS]

  so I really became pecker there are more [TS]

  there are more mobsters in Rhode Island [TS]

  turns out and in New York City deadly as [TS]

  a mobster be honest [TS]

  Ted is to moral he's not a wartime [TS]

  customary he's not at all [TS]

  that's exactly right you know what my [TS]

  father who's a better constantly area [TS]

  than my father [TS]

  that's right we're going to meet you [TS]

  somewhere else Tom and the thing about a [TS]

  thing about Ted is I think that Ted can [TS]

  talk two monsters and their moms result [TS]

  around 10 be waiting in the lobby [TS]

  either it is like a you know he's like a [TS]

  district to turn he's like Oh [TS]

  straight-shooting this is straight [TS]

  shooter yeah yeah who's Bruce brother is [TS]

  a mouse [TS]

  oh that looks like a like a showtime TV [TS]

  show kind of thing [TS]

  yeah I so with you just finish this one [TS]

  bit yeah i think that you know if you're [TS]

  someone like me who's a tourist like you [TS]

  can come in and just in you know enjoy [TS]

  game on its own terms but you know like [TS]

  my family my gosh my in-laws they are [TS]

  they're just they're screaming [TS]

  obscenities the whole game they're all [TS]

  they're mad about the calls and like [TS]

  they're very very invested but I get [TS]

  what you mean i'm going to just toss out [TS]

  something I didn't I I used to be really [TS]

  into the hitters like the big hitters [TS]

  but hold this is probably just a sign [TS]

  again and getting older I'm more and [TS]

  more really appreciate pitching and [TS]

  especially when you look at somebody [TS]

  like our God is an amazing closer for [TS]

  the Yankees a few years ago [TS]

  oh I'm so embarrassed the you know that [TS]

  one guy [TS]

  but yeah the guy you know who I mean [TS]

  yeah he's the latino guy whose name I [TS]

  can't remember [TS]

  yeah man and he's uh he's amazing and so [TS]

  but like when you go in particular he [TS]

  was pitching I think against the giants [TS]

  a few years ago in the World Series and [TS]

  just the coolness like The Incredible [TS]

  composure that it takes to come in at [TS]

  the end and and be able to keep it all [TS]

  together from pitch to pitch and if you [TS]

  fuck up bitch where you gotta not fuck [TS]

  up the next one and like you know you [TS]

  don't get to be a hero [TS]

  you've got you've got to make you gotta [TS]

  become a hero one pitch at a time and I [TS]

  really or a goat but like it you're as [TS]

  good as that game and oh wait i know it [TS]

  rod Rodriguez has a name I look it up [TS]

  thankies relief pitcher I i I'm saying [TS]

  is I'm coming too much more appreciate [TS]

  pitching and the composure and [TS]

  athleticism and intelligence that it [TS]

  takes to be a picture like to not get [TS]

  stuck in your own head like it's just so [TS]

  amazing to watch [TS]

  well but again there's some indefinable [TS]

  quality like Felix Hernandez for the [TS]

  Mariners and Ariana Mariano Rivera [TS]

  Mariano Rivera yeah something you know I [TS]

  i followed the Mariners most closely [TS]

  because it because it's part of our [TS]

  culture here [TS]

  well this is something you might not [TS]

  know but your local team a lot of times [TS]

  will generate more fandom among mode the [TS]

  local population to get the whole to get [TS]

  the national sport and there's different [TS]

  teams that are there nominally located [TS]

  around the country you're saying that [TS]

  the town that the in your hometown that [TS]

  team that franchise that business they [TS]

  tend to accrue more attention and [TS]

  affection typically among the local [TS]

  population so now my my dad is was from [TS]

  the Northwest he never lived in boss [TS]

  then he didn't leave never we never [TS]

  lived in Pakistan he grew up in Seattle [TS]

  went to college in seattle and then [TS]

  moved to Alaska so he so he had a very [TS]

  geographical fandom it was like em it [TS]

  was like Lyme disease right it was good [TS]

  but it went in a in concentric circles [TS]

  out from the initial wound and so he you [TS]

  know his number one favorite thing was [TS]

  Huskies the University of Washington [TS]

  Huskies and I think that he I think in [TS]

  the in the fifties and sixties he [TS]

  followed Huskies basketball but as time [TS]

  went on like the Huskies football became [TS]

  you became the big thing but he like [TS]

  college basketball and he would root for [TS]

  the team in any because he would watch [TS]

  any game any sports game he would root [TS]

  for the team or person who originated [TS]

  the closest to seattle so if they were [TS]

  to get there were two tennis players and [TS]

  one of them was from Baltimore and one [TS]

  of them was from you know was from [TS]

  Boston he would he would adjudicate in [TS]

  his in his geographic understanding of [TS]

  the country which was closest and i [TS]

  would say it's pretty hard to you know [TS]

  pretty hard to care [TS]

  that's so arbitrary yeah he was just [TS]

  like you know like he always rooted for [TS]

  berkeley over UCLA like just that just [TS]

  made sense to who [TS]

  um but so Felix Hernandez is a big deal [TS]

  here in seattle he's Abby's the you know [TS]

  he's a picture that has his own fan [TS]

  group in the stadium and he is a great [TS]

  picture but I just this is I'm you know [TS]

  this is one of those things I can [TS]

  explain [TS]

  I'm just not into Felix tremendous huh [TS]

  he comes out and i appreciate his [TS]

  performance i understand that he's a [TS]

  great picture but like I don't feel an [TS]

  emotional resonance with him sometimes a [TS]

  pitcher walks out there and just like [TS]

  this guy holy cat who I into this guy [TS]

  and I don't know what it is it so it's [TS]

  not just Flair it's just something I [TS]

  just feel like Felix Hernandez is kind [TS]

  of [TS]

  big kid maybe I feel like maybe he's a [TS]

  little bit of a bully in the dugout but [TS]

  like not have not a bully like he's just [TS]

  what he's always laughing but he's like [TS]

  he's that you know he's like grabbing [TS]

  the grabbing your underwear and pulling [TS]

  it up [TS]

  hmm so but that's that's where the weird [TS]

  thing about sports [TS]

  i I don't know how it is that i can tune [TS]

  into curling at two o'clock in the [TS]

  morning on a hotel room television and [TS]

  about everything that's on TV at two [TS]

  o'clock in the morning which is to say [TS]

  nothing but i will prefer watching [TS]

  curling to almost anything else if i can [TS]

  find it on TV and I'll sit else in the [TS]

  hotel room even if i have something due [TS]

  the next day and i'll watch curling as [TS]

  long as it's on the five o'clock in the [TS]

  morning and i'll get really invested in [TS]

  a curling match between prince edward [TS]

  island and Saskatchewan and we'll just [TS]

  be like really rooting in general i [TS]

  think i would probably root for Prince [TS]

  Edward Island and a but it would depend [TS]

  it would depend on how whether i like [TS]

  the captain or not the uniforms uniforms [TS]

  but you know if curling were just [TS]

  sweeping the way kids sweeps the [TS]

  mcdonalds it wouldn't be as fun if the [TS]

  intensity and focus of the sweeping that [TS]

  makes it compelling a little music kappa [TS]

  night but i find the sweeping aspect of [TS]

  it you know because that's where there's [TS]

  a lot of yelling you know a lot of [TS]

  yelling to go with that sweeping is that [TS]

  right yeah yell at each other they [TS]

  yelling at the puck the stone they're [TS]

  just yelling at the walls because [TS]

  they're very excited and they're [TS]

  sweeping is having get relative to the [TS]

  amount of energy they're expanding its [TS]

  having a very my new effect on the [TS]

  corner trying to make a little path [TS]

  right yeah a rough day rough up or [TS]

  smooth up for doing something to a [TS]

  certain area to make make the stone move [TS]

  a certain way a curve the stone Turner [TS]

  that the aspect the aspect that I like [TS]

  is the throwing of the stone because [TS]

  it's so focused and i understand it like [TS]

  and you start to see that your whole [TS]

  body slides with the stone [TS]

  and then you just set it free it's like [TS]

  fly be free stone and let the sweepers [TS]

  sweep as they may but i have set you on [TS]

  a course on a path through life are you [TS]

  going around these other stones are here [TS]

  and like parenting [TS]

  that's right are you going to hit these [TS]

  other stones head-on or you can move [TS]

  around these somebody come up and coming [TS]

  to combine clean up after you [TS]

  yeah you're gonna run down and fuck one [TS]

  of those cows are you gonna walk down [TS]

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  boy I'll say mhm have you ever watched [TS]

  an episode of the TV show girls i have [TS]

  seen the TV show girls [TS]

  yeah yeah I thought I thought it was [TS]

  that was good i don't have strong [TS]

  feelings I have friends who are very [TS]

  very into it I i thought it seemed good [TS]

  it's got kind of rain in it although it [TS]

  does have kind of run [TS]

  uh oh yes yes it does show you watching [TS]

  enjoy [TS]

  well i stumbledupon it was late at night [TS]

  in a hotel room that's a great time i [TS]

  have to say that is actually a great [TS]

  time discovered TV shows you're so [TS]

  predisposed to something that's not a [TS]

  knife commercial yeah I i well so I [TS]

  discovered band of brothers on hana [TS]

  flight it was one of the hanging was one [TS]

  of the early flights don't have to talk [TS]

  about crying there's two things I [TS]

  discovered on flights that true well [TS]

  let's say three things well I discovered [TS]

  delta airlines a trivia game with [TS]

  consistent as European sports think i'm [TS]

  so mad about frustrates you who is the [TS]

  captain of the of the nineteen seventies [TS]

  winning manchester united manchester [TS]

  united nothing about Lester look you but [TS]

  at another two TV shows i discovered the [TS]

  two not not TV shows the do [TS]

  entertainment i discovered on airplanes [TS]

  are Band of Brothers which I had avoided [TS]

  up until then because it felt like this [TS]

  is just some saving private ryan [TS]

  bullshit some steven spielberg produced [TS]

  ya tom hanks involved like weird fake [TS]

  war like high-definition war movie that [TS]

  I and I didn't see saving private ryan [TS]

  when it came out and my dad was still [TS]

  alive and we should have gone to see it [TS]

  together but I was like I don't want to [TS]

  watch some steven spielberg war movie [TS]

  hopefully you know that opens still [TS]

  pretty rough [TS]

  well and that's the things like when i [TS]

  finally watched it I said was I so [TS]

  afraid of this is just a great war movie [TS]

  and I have watched them all war movies [TS]

  but I'm on some flight and it was a long [TS]

  flight it was like from Europe and for [TS]

  whatever reason they had band of [TS]

  brothers and I started it starts getting [TS]

  no but I started soon enough i think i [TS]

  think i started episode 2 [TS]

  Johnny when you asked what a fucking [TS]

  cast yet incredible and it was streaming [TS]

  it was it was in order so i just spent [TS]

  ten hours watching band of brothers and [TS]

  it was it was like it was like the Civil [TS]

  War documentary can first ken burns or I [TS]

  guess what i think of as the first ken [TS]

  burns which I could watch that once a [TS]

  year for the rest of my life [TS]

  what's the shit what's the name of the [TS]

  battle in the weather stuck in the woods [TS]

  with your daddy [TS]

  yeah you know the one I mean yeah the [TS]

  one in the woods [TS]

  ah fuck what is wrong with us this week [TS]

  well yeah thanks Tom those bolts the but [TS]

  the bolt the yeah this is your damn [TS]

  right is it but it's the one where [TS]

  they're stuck in the woods outside the [TS]

  village in the fuck and it's very [TS]

  amusing bombs are just coming to just [TS]

  and they're just picking them off and [TS]

  like that is I think you know did the [TS]

  ability to tell that story and to keep [TS]

  drawing that out with so little relief I [TS]

  i think it's masterful and it's late [TS]

  it's like over at least one probably two [TS]

  episodes at least and it's just it's so [TS]

  relentless and so well done and I said [TS]

  that cast [TS]

  yeah I really good show you know what [TS]

  the public that show if I'm at this guy [TS]

  could be wrong but two things I remember [TS]

  coming out around nine eleven is jay-z [TS]

  record came out on 911 and there was our [TS]

  band of brothers came out just a little [TS]

  bit before nine eleven i think about and [TS]

  I we kind of lost in the lights because [TS]

  we at the time we were like it I really [TS]

  that sensitive you know you feel back [TS]

  then you know it's like I don't know i [TS]

  don't think i'm gonna go watch you're [TS]

  not gonna want to shoot him up [TS]

  it is so good the guy from homeland is [TS]

  so great on there [TS]

  well and that this is one of those [TS]

  problems of with actors right I cannot [TS]

  watch him in anything else [TS]

  DJ he just appeared in a new spy movie [TS]

  as like the the sort of Q spymaster [TS]

  character right in a damian lewis [TS]

  someone say i guess i like it i watched [TS]

  him in a spy movie just recently that [TS]

  involved some you know escaping from [TS]

  some baddies and he was the the another [TS]

  fairly a [TS]

  like a moral spymaster and andy and [TS]

  using his actual British accent and I [TS]

  just found the whole thing very false [TS]

  because I because he is lieutenant [TS]

  winters for me forever [TS]

  yeah the other thing I discovered on a [TS]

  delta or not Delta i'm not going to [TS]

  advertise for Delta here it could have [TS]

  been any airline yeah that had TVs in [TS]

  the back of the seat was David Blaine [TS]

  Street magic and hey I cannot tell you [TS]

  how much that first episode that first [TS]

  appearance of David Blaine Street magic [TS]

  how much I was just like God show me [TS]

  more of this street magic is real [TS]

  who cares i know he is out there like [TS]

  you know looking to shoot it happened [TS]

  like I think of a card [TS]

  ok six of diamonds what here call your [TS]

  mom how did you wait a minute how did he [TS]

  just full-on guess the card was the one [TS]

  since the ones writing this has been [TS]

  parody temp too much greater effect but [TS]

  it is really true it's like there's it's [TS]

  like you know you've seen that guy [TS]

  Apollo what's-his-name the greatest [TS]

  pickpocket in the world you know [TS]

  yeah yeah he's great my daughter and I [TS]

  just want to watch that video every [TS]

  couple weeks and I still I still can I I [TS]

  know how he does it and I still don't [TS]

  see him do it but he's doing it I that I [TS]

  believe I know there's some tricks in [TS]

  that but that is all I think genuine [TS]

  brilliant sleight-of-hand yeah but with [TS]

  the but I think don't you think it's [TS]

  probably more stagecraft with David [TS]

  Blaine you don't care i think it's david [TS]

  playing the guy is on a salad bar for [TS]

  six years and he's the guy who does the [TS]

  name the endurance things [TS]

  yeah which I don't find very interesting [TS]

  like he's increased in I alright top of [TS]

  the bellagio for and it's just like you [TS]

  all right you're starving yourself to [TS]

  death that is amazing i guess from [TS]

  within [TS]

  it's pretty slow reveal but there are [TS]

  those guys in India there's the one guy [TS]

  in India who has had one [TS]

  I'm raised for 15 years what the daily [TS]

  said or 40 years or something like that [TS]

  he's got one arm that he's just kept [TS]

  raised and it has become completely [TS]

  atrophied there's no muscle in the [TS]

  armoire fat if the arm that he holds up [TS]

  appears to just be his arm bone that's [TS]

  commitment and he and he does it because [TS]

  of that you know whatever that aesthetic [TS]

  a tradition is there and you know where [TS]

  you're just like I pound a nail into my [TS]

  nose his decision [TS]

  his thing was I'm gonna hold one arm up [TS]

  in the air which if you've ever tried to [TS]

  do it for a long period of time if [TS]

  you've ever been in a lecture hall and [TS]

  you're like who you're trying to cut [TS]

  somebody's hair you know how hard it is [TS]

  to keep your arms in the air for more [TS]

  than a couple minutes is a lot harder [TS]

  than it looks guys had is on one arm in [TS]

  the air for decades this is one thing [TS]

  that with the internets really good [TS]

  because you have to guess at some point [TS]

  somebody goes you know what I want to [TS]

  dedicate my life to God show this vest [TS]

  is an empty vessel without without our [TS]

  god I'm gonna put my arm up in the air [TS]

  and like a year in tuition because I you [TS]

  know another guy's been doing that for [TS]

  14 years already got fuck yeah sorry man [TS]

  now what am I gonna do think of [TS]

  something else left arm left arm but I [TS]

  but so I'm not interested in David [TS]

  Blaine's geegaws because what what [TS]

  interests me most about magic is [TS]

  close-up magic I don't want to see a big [TS]

  show I don't want to I don't want to see [TS]

  a lion disappear you know like all those [TS]

  things at Penn & Teller do where teller [TS]

  is walking around and some rubber ball [TS]

  is following him across the stage like [TS]

  it's not just all like legacy I I feel [TS]

  like that is just that's just show you [TS]

  like you like those clothes magic that [TS]

  really feels magical because they you [TS]

  know in those biggest shows they just [TS]

  set up the lighting in such a way that [TS]

  you can see the wires its own show its [TS]

  tricks but like the Ricky J stuff for [TS]

  your brother [TS]

  you can see that where those cards get [TS]

  rid of them they keep coming out of his [TS]

  sleeve [TS]

  butBut so David Blaine is doing the [TS]

  thing that I always wanted to do and the [TS]

  best part about David Blaine is that he [TS]

  uses magic any and again he's a complete [TS]

  cornball right like like they set it up [TS]

  in such weather like where should we go [TS]

  let's go to downtown st. Louis at one [TS]

  o'clock in the morning [TS]

  like the place that everyone is the most [TS]

  scared to go and they want their walking [TS]

  around with a TV camera with bright [TS]

  lights on in East st. Louis and these [TS]

  guys are kind of coming out of the [TS]

  shadows and even the the neighborhood [TS]

  guys are like are you crazy like this is [TS]

  the place of all places that you don't [TS]

  want to be why what are you doing and [TS]

  the David Blaine's like launch come over [TS]

  here and discarded as a manager [TS]

  yea big card and the guys are like pick [TS]

  a card [TS]

  alright because it is this your gun yeah [TS]

  this magic popping card picks a card [TS]

  David like is it the four of clubs and [TS]

  they're like wow I'm and it's that it's [TS]

  that idea that magic you did you don't [TS]

  need a common language you don't need ye [TS]

  it pretty it's like a protective bubble [TS]

  because your amazing people and and [TS]

  you're doing it like you're not taking [TS]

  their money it's not a game of dice [TS]

  you're just like let me show you let me [TS]

  show you something that's gonna blow [TS]

  your mind and it any and it universally [TS]

  blows people's minds anywhere and that [TS]

  is such a great that's what I always [TS]

  wanted to know it's like I wanted to [TS]

  know magic and I wanted to play the [TS]

  harmonica who because with what with [TS]

  close-up magic and with the harmonic you [TS]

  can go you can go anywhere right [TS]

  oh you're kidding me there's nowhere in [TS]

  the we're going to delight children all [TS]

  over the world if you can play the [TS]

  harmonica and do a card trick [TS]

  there's nowhere in the world where you [TS]

  can't go trains coming way and people [TS]

  are like yeah yeah god like you're [TS]

  welcome everywhere [TS]

  yep strand if you can be like where's [TS]

  the corner oh it was in your ear [TS]

  what every kid in the world is on your [TS]

  is on your side and then the [TS]

  suspicious-looking grandparents who are [TS]

  like what are you doing with the quarter [TS]

  in the ear is this are you some kind of [TS]

  pervert right and then you're like you [TS]

  were thinking of the four of clubs and [TS]

  then the grandparents say basically come [TS]

  stay with us [TS]

  that's the 1i love and a guy you don't [TS]

  because in the ground but did again that [TS]

  up i can remember the guys name Apollo [TS]

  Apollo Creed Apollo Robbins the the [TS]

  thing that he does [TS]

  is he can get things out of your pocket [TS]

  which is amazing and he's even gone in [TS]

  like shown how he does this the [TS]

  misdirection that he does he's here will [TS]

  lightly brush this part of your body [TS]

  where you don't even notice that he's [TS]

  touched you there but now that's where [TS]

  you're paying attention without even [TS]

  realizing it [TS]

  he can lift your wallet out of your [TS]

  jacket inside pocket [TS]

  hold it against you while he kept apps [TS]

  on another area the wallet drops he [TS]

  catches it puts it behind his back and [TS]

  you see it and even though he explains [TS]

  how he does it it's still magic within [TS]

  the part that kills me when he goes okay [TS]

  now look in your wallet [TS]

  oh and then you're right what the fuck [TS]

  how is their house their twenty-dollar [TS]

  bill and a pen [TS]

  wow what was it it's the driver's [TS]

  license of your friend who was standing [TS]

  there laughing like how could it's one [TS]

  thing to say like okay like I put you [TS]

  know Matt Lauer's pen you know in your [TS]

  pocket and it's another thing that's [TS]

  like now there's something in this Wendy [TS]

  do that anyway I'm sure there's a trick [TS]

  my friend yeah i think there's a trick [TS]

  lot of magic tricks are actually tricks [TS]

  I've learned the sense it's did very [TS]

  disappointing my favorite Apollo Robbins [TS]

  one is that I'm sure you read this if [TS]

  you followed his career at all as i have [TS]

  him in 10 [TS]

  Yeah Yeah right where he retakes the pan [TS]

  right smartass you know everybody wants [TS]

  to come to the big guy [TS]

  yeah yeah show me some demented [TS]

  president move and you and you know and [TS]

  pen is so unlikable [TS]

  yeah I can't think of a single person in [TS]

  the world who's a fan of pens you don't [TS]

  become an atheist because you like [TS]

  people [TS]

  well I'm pinjam the appointment I'll get [TS]

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  thank you i wish i had a bell oh I don't [TS]

  have already somebody's buying up a bit [TS]

  bail because you [TS]

  whatsapp it bill oh yeah people like a [TS]

  hotel but look like a pitbull yellow and [TS]

  orange bell [TS]

  uh I did go from the game pit pit hou [TS]

  who is buying that and we're sorry let [TS]

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  um well I listener has said that they [TS]

  are are going out at great expense [TS]

  obtaining a nineteen seventies orange [TS]

  bell from the game pit in order to have [TS]

  what you have been fucking task who good [TS]

  because that all those what the fuck is [TS]

  wrong with us why we not only need we're [TS]

  gonna do we're gonna we're gonna sell [TS]

  this is the year that we're gonna that [TS]

  we're going to monetize you know you [TS]

  2016 is gonna make 2011 seem like 1974 [TS]

  em John a fraction we're going where we [TS]

  are going we're going into the Hall of [TS]

  Fame merchandising podcasts this year [TS]

  2000 which everyone Giants its team [TS]

  effort i'm just honored to be here and [TS]

  really I want to just thank the Lord [TS]

  yeah you're just you're just playing for [TS]

  the team [TS]

  here I Penn Jillette a couple years ago [TS]

  decided that he was going to take on and [TS]

  i think i think that the teller and he [TS]

  probably don't like each other very much [TS]

  they are very they have they talked [TS]

  about this a lot they have a very [TS]

  professional relationship they have [TS]

  apparently turns out like zero contact [TS]

  that is not about the act [TS]

  yeah well and that was true also of [TS]

  Mythbusters write those two guys didn't [TS]

  is that right [TS]

  I didn't see eye-to-eye they seem very [TS]

  very different that the the guy who [TS]

  looks like the doobie brother he seems [TS]

  like he doesn't want to be there a lot [TS]

  of the time you don't think it looks [TS]

  like Jeff skunk baxter doesn't like Jeff [TS]

  skunk baxter he does you're absolutely [TS]

  right [TS]

  he seems like a really smart guy but he [TS]

  seems like he like everything like every [TS]

  time he is reluctant to have to be on TV [TS]

  show [TS]

  yeah i think that is as far as i know [TS]

  and i I'm not trying to reveal any trade [TS]

  secrets here who as far as i know he [TS]

  although was on a long-running [TS]

  television show that made him both [TS]

  famous and rich he was contemptuous of [TS]

  all entertainment so like at least not [TS]

  that that's a bad decision [TS]

  yeah like a libertarian mmm who says we [TS]

  made this or whatever like just let [TS]

  capitalism running [TS]

  capitalism running [TS]

  of course whose job whose business [TS]

  depends entirely on public roads which [TS]

  are paid for by taxes please John call [TS]

  um I i believe that be that Jeff skunk [TS]

  baxter in the in the Mythbusters parent [TS]

  would every single episode say a well [TS]

  why do we have to you know why do we [TS]

  have to dramatize this will just show [TS]

  the science and people that's what [TS]

  people tuned in for ya and it's like [TS]

  well where it's an hour-long TV episode [TS]

  or for half hour when he cut away to the [TS]

  b-team yeah cut away the b-team or like [TS]

  when something blows up act surprised [TS]

  yeah or what it's not you know you're [TS]

  not faking it is the thing is it is I've [TS]

  you know I've only ever seen I I like [TS]

  Adam a lot as a person he's 81 of the [TS]

  good people I've seen maybe five [TS]

  episodes of that show ever just cuz i [TS]

  cant it's not this show it's not even [TS]

  the people just can't tolerate the cable [TS]

  TV nosov it of the like you know the [TS]

  teasers and then it's just there's so [TS]

  much television metadata and like [TS]

  reminders and lower thirds and cutaways [TS]

  Andy story and it's like Jesus Christ [TS]

  there's like there's like four minutes [TS]

  of stuff here [TS]

  yeah well but that's the problem there [TS]

  is four minutes of stuff if you made a [TS]

  television show that long [TS]

  it's where you basically like a [TS]

  professional super professional youtube [TS]

  video that you've got to find a way to [TS]

  turn into like a whole TV show [TS]

  yeah but if you if you were making a [TS]

  half an hour long TV show or now I don't [TS]

  know how long those things are but if [TS]

  you were making that and it was all just [TS]

  science [TS]

  you would have to solve 15 mysteries per [TS]

  episode because it's like how you know [TS]

  does a bullet can a bullet go through an [TS]

  army helmet [TS]

  yes or no here's an army home there's a [TS]

  gun [TS]

  Wow answer yes the answer to everything [TS]

  is it depends [TS]

  yeah that's not a good TV and then that [TS]

  TV show called it depends [TS]

  that's not gonna be interesting it [TS]

  depends that's right like it the [TS]

  atmospheric conditions are right and [TS]

  your helmet possible for its actually [TS]

  rain inside it depends it depends what [TS]

  you call rain which call inside right [TS]

  next [TS]

  there was a that you know during the [TS]

  Black Hawk Down episode a lot of it was [TS]

  revealed that I think you can see this [TS]

  in the film that a lot of certain [TS]

  special forces people i think Delta [TS]

  Force [TS]

  I decided that helmets and this is [TS]

  probably true of a lot of Special Forces [TS]

  people they want to move fast they want [TS]

  to get in get out there and they don't [TS]

  want to wear one of those 10 pot helmets [TS]

  that like typical infantry are wearing [TS]

  and so what they did recognize that you [TS]

  need something to keep from bunking your [TS]

  head and so they were the Special Forces [TS]

  guys decided they were going to worse [TS]

  like skateboard helmets and if you watch [TS]

  in black hawk down the film which is a [TS]

  dramatization of the actual event and [TS]

  some some things are not as reported but [TS]

  the Delta Force guys are wearing [TS]

  skateboard helmets [TS]

  I can't believe they would be allowed to [TS]

  do that well you know that those these [TS]

  are the same guys that that grow they [TS]

  grow really long beards when they first [TS]

  went into Afghanistan before some [TS]

  general i'm not a military historian but [TS]

  I mean like a we've learned a lot about [TS]

  what we can do to prevent things like [TS]

  traumatic head stuff and second like [TS]

  dude you belong to the fucking military [TS]

  we tell you what to wear because we [TS]

  can't afford four you know what I mean [TS]

  like it'sit's hear eyewitness and [TS]

  operative well and like but you know GI [TS]

  right government issue like you you [TS]

  belong to the government you are our [TS]

  resource and you don't get to make [TS]

  decisions about stuff that might affect [TS]

  your safety or that of your unit because [TS]

  because you Dino other people are gonna [TS]

  die now we've got a fucking problem [TS]

  because you decided you want to go be a [TS]

  skateboard guy but i think within their [TS]

  own culture [TS]

  yeah they were there just their attitude [TS]

  was well if you make us wear ten pot [TS]

  helmet we're gonna take it off and throw [TS]

  it away the second we get out onto a [TS]

  mission of fashion thing it's also is [TS]

  hurting their ability to be agile though [TS]

  you can't hear in them you can't see out [TS]

  of them and also the helmet goes like [TS]

  quite can be quite heavy Clank there was [TS]

  an episode about 98 on 90% 99% invisible [TS]

  recently they talked about the problem [TS]

  of basically like you know should you [TS]

  were huh sures like you know you can [TS]

  take 32 decibels office sound I put [TS]

  these things in your ear but you lose [TS]

  the subtlety of hearing like somebody [TS]

  rustling around or somebody whispering [TS]

  it's a risk there they risk long-term [TS]

  hearing damage because it enables them [TS]

  to be able to hear smaller noises [TS]

  similar kind of thing right but so my so [TS]

  i think that the actually black cock [TS]

  down this is the interesting part of the [TS]

  story that they that inspired a redesign [TS]

  of the helmet for all of the Armed [TS]

  Forces turn me out closer to a [TS]

  skateboard helmet closer fitting you [TS]

  know with the ears more revealed so that [TS]

  you can hear better [TS]

  yeah a less clankety clankety is made of [TS]

  steel but there's a at as far as i [TS]

  understand this to be true there is one [TS]

  recorded example of a special forces [TS]

  person dying of a traumatic head injury [TS]

  one in the whole history of them wearing [TS]

  skateboard helmets [TS]

  wow so it seems like on the one hand [TS]

  that's too bad [TS]

  and that guy should have had a helmet on [TS]

  because maybe he'd be alive today but [TS]

  also they seem to know what they're [TS]

  doing and there they are saying to [TS]

  themselves one way to keep from getting [TS]

  shot in the head is to keep your head [TS]

  down like don't be a guy who's in a [TS]

  trench who's picking up over the top in [TS]

  your skateboard helmet if you're gonna [TS]

  do that [TS]

  go find another go find a different [TS]

  helmet over but Jenny if you're just [TS]

  running through some some situation in [TS]

  the middle of the night at the nobody's [TS]

  gonna shoot you in the head the chances [TS]

  of them scoring a headshot are pretty [TS]

  low and so we're gonna wear these other [TS]

  helmet and I admire that there was a [TS]

  there was a guy grow when I was growing [TS]

  up at Mount Alyeska who skied in a tank [TS]

  commanders helmet like a Russian you [TS]

  know the ones i'm talking about that [TS]

  they they are like it's not a helmet [TS]

  it's like it's like paths that go from [TS]

  your forehead to the back your head like [TS]

  five of them across the top of your head [TS]

  that looks like it doesn't look like any [TS]

  other kind of helmet maybe it looks like [TS]

  a bike helmet like an old-fashioned bike [TS]

  helmet just made a paths that's made out [TS]

  of leather dynomite my uncle have one of [TS]

  those yeah yeah [TS]

  and so there was a guy not always a [TS]

  little take a little Leatherhead cage a [TS]

  little head [TS]

  Leatherhead kids that's right which I [TS]

  always assumed was something some jurors [TS]

  a tank [TS]

  yeah let Leatherhead kids and Jason [TS]

  and he wore this has his ski hat right [TS]

  and and it was like uh it stood out but [TS]

  this is another question I have for you [TS]

  yes when I was a young preteen and teen [TS]

  ager the way people wore their ski hats [TS]

  at Mount Alyeska really mattered to me [TS]

  and stuck with me like everybody's [TS]

  wearing a hat huh [TS]

  because you're all on the mountain and [TS]

  there are a lot of ways to express your [TS]

  style on a ski mountain you know like do [TS]

  you have the latest sweater [TS]

  we are all watching for that stuff [TS]

  because it's very social [TS]

  skiing is very social sure so you're [TS]

  like oh those with this or this year's [TS]

  skis or those last year's keys or bull [TS]

  are those three years ago skis this but [TS]

  also you know Ski fashion changes very [TS]

  fast when i first started out everything [TS]

  was still wool and everything was role [TS]

  and red white and blue and then as time [TS]

  went on like by the nineties Ski fashion [TS]

  just looked like a stuff from in living [TS]

  color but I remember as a kid being very [TS]

  impressed with an interested in anyone [TS]

  who wore their ski hat in a jaunty way [TS]

  and i still can I can still can think of [TS]

  45 people some of them I knew some of [TS]

  them were just characters of the of the [TS]

  mountain [TS]

  who wore their hat it in a jaunty way [TS]

  and I'm just I thought about this quite [TS]

  a bit is that an actual was that because [TS]

  I was a teen and things like that we're [TS]

  making a very strong impression on me [TS]

  and I felt like the fact that this guys [TS]

  wearing his ski hats slightly askew is a [TS]

  bold move on his part and and is [TS]

  impressive [TS]

  I'm impressed by this and this is [TS]

  something i'm taking away so is that [TS]

  because i was a team is that because i [TS]

  had some latent interest in fashion that [TS]

  was that was different from other [TS]

  people's or a is it because it's [TS]

  genuinely it was genuinely impressive [TS]

  you know what I mean like the guy in the [TS]

  tank commanders had was that really like [TS]

  if I saw that today what I would I think [TS]

  cool what I think I'll i mean i think [TS]

  it's kind of both but I think part of it [TS]

  is that when somebody while wears [TS]

  something unusual or even weird i think [TS]

  part of it is the fact that the part [TS]

  that most of us dinguses mrs. like oh [TS]

  I'm going to put on a tank commander had [TS]

  look like that guy [TS]

  it's the confidence with which they pull [TS]

  it off that really tells I think this is [TS]

  the thing about fashion is and this is [TS]

  why there's so many missteps in trying [TS]

  to ape what other people do is you you [TS]

  try to like emulate the kind of dumb [TS]

  physical characteristics instead of [TS]

  trying to emulate the confidence and [TS]

  exuding of personality behind that John [TS]

  yeah but I think that's what sticks with [TS]

  you like me look at that guy how do you [TS]

  do that [TS]

  do you remember you remember Merlin Mann [TS]

  from the late to thousands who me [TS]

  the Merlin man whose hair was a was a [TS]

  character was a bigger-than-life [TS]

  character [TS]

  oh yeah I mean kind of yeah sure I [TS]

  remember him to remember this Merlin [TS]

  Mann family everywhere was working i [TS]

  like to think of him as the Merlin Mann [TS]

  of that photo site was that photo site [TS]

  that you like so much flicker flicker [TS]

  yeah and I had lots of hair problem you [TS]

  really were you really ran flickr I did [TS]

  I didn't have had a big hand in that [TS]

  thank you for having you ran the table [TS]

  over forget who and boy you're you're [TS]

  different hairs were very exciting to me [TS]

  every time I tuned in it was like that a [TS]

  lot of people try and do this [TS]

  will Wheaton is very big about is [TS]

  morning hair now it's one of his troops [TS]

  who don't follow wil wheaton from his [TS]

  work and his television personality is [TS]

  on names on Star Wars he was on Star [TS]

  Trek Star start back I always get those [TS]

  confused and it's the the newer [TS]

  generation [TS]

  yeah normal generation huh no I'm not [TS]

  missing this kind he likes cats he does [TS]

  i think also desire and his entire [TS]

  family is very handsome handsome family [TS]

  i mean i can probably had some no [TS]

  offense [TS]

  no it's all right i mean i don't have [TS]

  any dog in his race but but but your [TS]

  hair your pioneering hair explorations [TS]

  very very interesting and you you're not [TS]

  somebody who says like i'm gonna wear [TS]

  flamboyant shirt right Merlin man [TS]

  doesn't wear a flamboyant sharp Merlin [TS]

  man wears a pretty dependable shirts [TS]

  already probably a solid Pendleton or [TS]

  something you know that just says like [TS]

  I'm here I'm here I'm queer get used [TS]

  from but the hair yes you were bold bold [TS]

  bold choices because so kind of had a [TS]

  mind of its own i I never really i would [TS]

  have a hard time finding a haircut that [TS]

  I would like but I don't have a [TS]

  particularly distinguished record of [TS]

  deliberately doing something interesting [TS]

  mmm i sometimes stumble ass-backwards [TS]

  into something interesting interesting [TS]

  don't realize it for a while but I i [TS]

  just have such a fraud history of trying [TS]

  to do something cool and because i [TS]

  missed I mean not to keep quoting myself [TS]

  here but because I wasn't trying to [TS]

  emulate the physical characteristic or [TS]

  is the way I would put it like I was [TS]

  tracing a shadow on a sidewalk and I was [TS]

  trying to be somebody else like [TS]

  Hiroshima my absolutely ugly and [TS]

  reference [TS]

  Wow and brothers we happy few I and so [TS]

  that thing is to get you can't do that [TS]

  you gotta quit doing that unless you [TS]

  pull it off if you can pull it off [TS]

  that's great but like you know I really [TS]

  think that the thing I don't know I'm [TS]

  just repeating myself but that's but not [TS]

  wasn't trying to do a thing I said come [TS]

  here I saw a picture of a guy a few [TS]

  years ago [TS]

  yeah who was standing in front of a [TS]

  fashion show I don't know [TS]

  I you know I'm revealing a lot about [TS]

  myself that I am that I'm being exposed [TS]

  to photographs of guys standing outside [TS]

  of fashion show [TS]

  that's ok because it's a you know you [TS]

  have to pursue that that's not a thing [TS]

  you're just going to see right you're [TS]

  not going to open up a magazine John's [TS]

  countries changed a lot we're open to [TS]

  all kinds of points of view and fluidity [TS]

  it's it's ok if you've seen fashion [TS]

  photos [TS]

  thank you thank you thank by the way [TS]

  that September issue of Vogue is coming [TS]

  up just so you know I don't read those I [TS]

  don't read the I don't read the [TS]

  beginning you don't even have a TV [TS]

  because I can't stand magazines that [TS]

  have perfume in them find a magazine [TS]

  every once in a while somebody will uh [TS]

  or not somebody every once in awhile [TS]

  Vanity Fair will send some family fare [TS]

  at me intimated that sense of Vanity [TS]

  Fair at you [TS]

  yeah and I'm like don't do this yeah I [TS]

  don't want this you know like yes okay [TS]

  maybe there's a very interesting profile [TS]

  Ellen john f kennedy jr. in a Vanity [TS]

  Fair that I might actually want to read [TS]

  but do not send these to my mailbox on [TS]

  bidden because I open my box and for [TS]

  conflicting male perfumes the start [TS]

  pouring out and then I have an allergy [TS]

  attack and is no way to live [TS]

  I don't even carry an inhaler and I [TS]

  should have one just for an encounter [TS]

  with a random Vanity Fair terrible [TS]

  condition [TS]

  look but so I see this photograph of [TS]

  this guy standing out in front of a [TS]

  fashion show and he's wearing very old [TS]

  ripped you know like near ipped Levi's [TS]

  they're not just blown out at the [TS]

  neither like ripped all the way down [TS]

  like a carefully ripped settable sure [TS]

  Reagan who fancy rips but they're not [TS]

  fancy ripped on some pre ripped jeans [TS]

  they're vintage Levi's that have been [TS]

  fancy ripped and the way you fancy [TS]

  repair Levi's but a lot of people don't [TS]

  know this is you delicately run a razor [TS]

  just very delicate and then let entropy [TS]

  of the work that's right let you all [TS]

  you're doing is getting started [TS]

  you're just getting started with a [TS]

  little bit of a razor cut across the [TS]

  pants all the way down there you know [TS]

  and then then they fray very well so [TS]

  he's wearing these and then a [TS]

  double-breasted blue blazer with brass [TS]

  buttons and you know an open collared [TS]

  shirt and then his hair is really really [TS]

  slicked with a side part in a kind of [TS]

  let's just call it what it is [TS]

  brown shirt haircut Oh like a like a [TS]

  post Macklemore your pre Macklemore Mack [TS]

  all printing more pre Macklemore plus y [TS]

  plus 5 more a proposed by mar pre [TS]

  Macklemore ok and and i look at this and [TS]

  I'm like the element here the unexpected [TS]

  element is the double-breasted blazer [TS]

  which is like huh [TS]

  there's some there's some Flair [TS]

  happening with that double-breasted [TS]

  blazer that is not a thing that anybody [TS]

  expected who and so I the next [TS]

  opportunity got a double-breasted blazer [TS]

  with brass buttons blue hard to say a [TS]

  blue double-breasted blazer with brass [TS]

  buttons nice [TS]

  and i would put that blazer on in my [TS]

  house and I'd say here I go out the door [TS]

  in my blue double-breasted black [TS]

  brass-plated you know you can always get [TS]

  a couple of times I'll protools it and [TS]

  you'll be fine and I and I would get to [TS]

  the front door and I would be like huh [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  hmm what ways but you do them you [TS]

  deposit moment you die you think [TS]

  something wasn't quite right about it [TS]

  yeah I would stop and i would say it [TS]

  seems like on the face of it you're tall [TS]

  it seems like that would be a good look [TS]

  on you I think so too did you look like [TS]

  look out like a cereal mascot or [TS]

  something [TS]

  no I looked amazing yeah but I paused at [TS]

  the front door because it was not my [TS]

  invention [TS]

  o.k saw picture a guy and every once in [TS]

  a while you see a picture of somebody in [TS]

  here like that belongs to me that's not [TS]

  even yours you're wearing that but you [TS]

  don't even know what it is [TS]

  yeah you know you feel in your gut you [TS]

  not to think about it like you you know [TS]

  like oh that's my thing [TS]

  yeah yeah the first time well one time [TS]

  many many years ago Shawn Nelson and I [TS]

  were driving in the car and there and we [TS]

  were driving along i was driving and the [TS]

  light turned yellow the light turned [TS]

  yellow at and we were at a removed from [TS]

  that light sufficient that I could have [TS]

  applied the brakes and stopped should [TS]

  have probably if you want to be a [TS]

  stickler about the law but surveying the [TS]

  scene looking to the left and to the [TS]

  right I realized that there was no [TS]

  impediment to me continuing forward and [TS]

  I neither applied the brakes nor the [TS]

  accelerator but simply let the car move [TS]

  as it was moving [TS]

  he kept on keeping on I kept on keeping [TS]

  on and so went through the intersection [TS]

  as the light was changing to the stop [TS]

  let's say let's say I was in the [TS]

  intersection as it was still yellow but [TS]

  we continued moving through the red and [TS]

  Sean in a gesture where he was you know [TS]

  indicating a kind of like [TS]

  contempt even for my insouciance for my [TS]

  sort of like devil may care he raised [TS]

  his hands in the air and went out how [TS]

  like to shooting two pistols like a [TS]

  Bandido into the air but it was not in [TS]

  admiration he was doing it as a [TS]

  commentary like you know I guess the [TS]

  laws don't apply everywhere i'm a i'm a [TS]

  Bandido and I and I saw the gesture and [TS]

  I said that belongs to me now you you [TS]

  made that gesture in reference to me and [TS]

  it is not a gesture that you are using [TS]

  for yourself because it doesn't belong [TS]

  to you [TS]

  it belongs to me oh and i started to [TS]

  when i was about to do something [TS]

  reckless go out in the air with my [TS]

  fingers sounds like it sounds like a you [TS]

  bit [TS]

  that's right well it became a you better [TS]

  because it became a bit and now everyone [TS]

  I mean I do it all the time [TS]

  couple everyone i know associates it [TS]

  with me [TS]

  it's just a way of saying like okay well [TS]

  fucking school and sean has a long time [TS]

  ago I think saw me do it and commented [TS]

  like hey you got that for me you took [TS]

  that from me and sunshine probably said [TS]

  to you it's a it's called the not your [TS]

  friends show business [TS]

  well a little bit like what you really [TS]

  saw that one for him too yeah but we are [TS]

  you gonna do with that John you were [TS]

  never gonna use it again and it was when [TS]

  you were using it you were using it a [TS]

  like let's say against me and I [TS]

  repurposed it right it's my nigga right [TS]

  like I took it back [TS]

  Garrett I took those guns back all I get [TS]

  you taken back the night taking back the [TS]

  night to those jobs back and I made it [TS]

  up I made it a positive i spun it [TS]

  mm and and so there's a little bit of [TS]

  like I hope hope this is not a shed [TS]

  that's always listening to to learn [TS]

  english i was there so deep in in [TS]

  analogies and metaphors and at this [TS]

  point I'm so disoriented but your point [TS]

  is that sometimes it belongs better on [TS]

  somebody it's just that when it came to [TS]

  the blue block button button blazer you [TS]

  felt no no [TS]

  oh that's that guy's that's Hitler hair [TS]

  well i still can't so I have done this [TS]

  now several times i have I didn't get [TS]

  rid of the above the double-breasted [TS]

  blue blazer with brass buttons I and I [TS]

  put it on sometimes and I get as far as [TS]

  the threshold of my house and I stopped [TS]

  and I say this looks amazing on me [TS]

  there's no one else in Seattle that's [TS]

  that's doing this [TS]

  Commodore Schmidlapp miss ya business [TS]

  you know this is my this is my own Maj [TS]

  to caddy shack right or whatever it is [TS]

  looking like this guy was in New York [TS]

  City there's nobody nobody's gonna come [TS]

  at me and say wait a minute i mean now [TS]

  that I've revealed I've showed my hand [TS]

  on this program if anybody ever sees me [TS]

  in a double-breasted blue blazer with [TS]

  brass buttons they're gonna say I know [TS]

  that I know what you're doing but but i [TS]

  never was able to get outside in this [TS]

  thing and partly it's because I don't [TS]

  know when you sit down in a [TS]

  double-breasted blazer apparently you're [TS]

  supposed to leave it button and I and I [TS]

  can't do that and uncomfortable to leave [TS]

  the jacket buttoned when I sit down [TS]

  because i've been i've trained myself to [TS]

  unbutton the jacket boy sit down you do [TS]

  that thing that gentleman do where you [TS]

  are when you rise GG button button [TS]

  yeah but she's even unbutton your seated [TS]

  that's right i love that move [TS]

  it's a great move right man sometimes [TS]

  you know there's just this one section [TS]

  of 2001 that I'll just watch a lot it's [TS]

  that whole like you know in the middle [TS]

  of the don't know jack you call it but [TS]

  it's when working back its when [TS]

  what's-his-name [TS]

  hey good Marshall Floyd Floyd haywood [TS]

  when when when when he goes to the space [TS]

  station and it's just courtliness on a [TS]

  spaceship [TS]

  it's just sitting and having a drink [TS]

  it's doing a little phone call it's [TS]

  happening he goes and he has the meeting [TS]

  with the people he does that move he [TS]

  doesn't move very well as Heywood Floyd [TS]

  is that his name [TS]

  floodwood hey who wants a floor third [TS]

  floor leaflet hey wood floor i'm having [TS]

  a tough morning floor floor floor [TS]

  Heywood Floyd Heywood Floyd you were [TS]

  very close or even on it [TS]

  Heywood Floyd it's three it's very makes [TS]

  me it's one of those things when i watch [TS]

  that it's like watching James Coburn [TS]

  movie or something we like man I [TS]

  wouldn't mind being in the sixties [TS]

  mainland unbuttoned their their their [TS]

  jacket to sit down and they butted up [TS]

  against and you can still do it you can [TS]

  still do you don't worry that [TS]

  oh yeah I do it all the time but you [TS]

  can't do a double breasted well I just [TS]

  don't know i don't know that i used it i [TS]

  mean as much as I thought Letterman was [TS]

  a riot and when he started wearing the [TS]

  wrestling shoes with khaki pants and [TS]

  that was a funny thing but he's driving [TS]

  me nuts that he wouldn't button up his [TS]

  double yeah he was flapping around was [TS]

  so stupid [TS]

  it looked terrible he looked like he [TS]

  looked like a a manta ray fucking flappy [TS]

  wins it's like that time your geeky yeah [TS]

  well why not what you got to tie your [TS]

  get your fucking key [TS]

  well so anything about 2001 if you think [TS]

  about it it's a trick that's okay wit [TS]

  you think about 2001 a Space Odyssey [TS]

  right we think of it as expressing the [TS]

  sixties but really there was a there was [TS]

  a very brief moment where so much of [TS]

  what constituted the the sixties and i'm [TS]

  not talking about the hippie sixties but [TS]

  I'm talking about like that the tight [TS]

  the buttoned-up sixties the buzz aldrin [TS]

  sixties like Van Dyke sixties the Dick [TS]

  Van Dyke 60 so much of that was still [TS]

  reverberating or even absolutely reverb [TS]

  especially in the straight world you [TS]

  might grow your hair a little bit long [TS]

  but you still had a tailored suit [TS]

  absolutely and that carried into the [TS]

  seventies into our era when we were kids [TS]

  we were still we don't think you know [TS]

  2001 doesn't seem like out like a thing [TS]

  of our era but in fact it was because [TS]

  something that happened five years ago [TS]

  now i know i know i know it's like funny [TS]

  something that happened in 2011 [TS]

  everything I was in the Superchunk all [TS]

  morning and h times thing as so much [TS]

  super chuckles like every time a song [TS]

  came on and what this is 21 years old [TS]

  this is 21 years old 21 years old and [TS]

  and like to me like I would see [TS]

  distinctions within a given year about [TS]

  stuff you know when you're a little kid [TS]

  you like oh my gosh you want you [TS]

  it's like 85 like oh my god this rerun [TS]

  from the community to is so dated [TS]

  yeah right or this this this fashion [TS]

  from that from earlier in 1985 [TS]

  Oh [TS]

  page you were so again this goes back to [TS]

  the beginning I guess it's kind of [TS]

  environmental awareness where you're so [TS]

  you can't help but be super aware of [TS]

  certain things i greet you know I I [TS]

  still watch that and that timeless isn't [TS]

  too strong of a word but I still think a [TS]

  bunch of the sequences in that stand up [TS]

  so well today one and so when we were [TS]

  seven years old what that movie was what [TS]

  is 70 years old [TS]

  is it came on 69 it still works [TS]

  instantly so is it yeah it was only six [TS]

  years old when I was seven years old [TS]

  we're at a point when I was getting into [TS]

  space and imagining what life in space [TS]

  was going to be like like it was [TS]

  essentially the the most recent idea and [TS]

  what space was going to be was very chic [TS]

  and anybody it would be analogous to [TS]

  taking like a business-class fight [TS]

  yeah very exactly exactly right you know [TS]

  everybody was was dressed very well [TS]

  there were many girls shoes gonna bring [TS]

  a juice box [TS]

  pan pan american airlines was that was [TS]

  the purveyor and it was at a really [TS]

  influenced us and it was only when Star [TS]

  Wars happened and the aesthetic of Star [TS]

  Wars was like actually a lot of a lot of [TS]

  the spaceships are going to be writing [TS]

  in our kind of a little bit greasy yeah [TS]

  the cash like yeah yeah um but but that [TS]

  was so that any way it feels like that [TS]

  was a very brief moment in time when [TS]

  when we were imagining colonizing space [TS]

  and it was going to be elegant and then [TS]

  it became it became an elegance all [TS]

  through the space state overall through [TS]

  the shuttle years it always felt to me [TS]

  kind of like yeah astronauts were were [TS]

  the people that were you know that did [TS]

  pretty well in biology right where they [TS]

  want this swashbuckling Navy pilots that [TS]

  they had been in the sixties although [TS]

  they i'm sure all the astronauts were [TS]

  Navy pilots until recent times but it [TS]

  was much more like oh yeah we're going [TS]

  to send a teacher in space it's going to [TS]

  be you know it's it's much it's it's [TS]

  it's not elegant it's very much like [TS]

  we're working here this is we're doing [TS]

  work now it's not we're not just a [TS]

  like bold explorers we are up here doing [TS]

  tasks [TS]

  yeah there's there's there's there's [TS]

  work to be done here this is not some [TS]

  flight of fancy know like hey hand me [TS]

  that wrench and the person like the [TS]

  astronaut throws the wrench in it it [TS]

  flies across the other person grabs the [TS]

  rent and were like we were in space but [TS]

  really we're just doing some work we're [TS]

  working on cars up there like we're [TS]

  throwing wrenches back and forth instead [TS]

  of martinis like if somebody sent me a [TS]

  martini and you flew a martini over how [TS]

  different is that [TS]

  yeah then a wrench right and now we're [TS]

  introducing these four pay like Elon [TS]

  Musk jets and you think yeah there [TS]

  there's going to be some fake elegance [TS]

  there it's gonna be like flying Virgin [TS]

  Airlines where there's there's some [TS]

  purple lighting but I still that's not I [TS]

  mean maybe we've just maybe we've lost [TS]

  the elegance of the sixties and that's [TS]

  what I'm complaining about [TS]

  uh-huh even even the elegance of the [TS]

  sixties as prognosticated into space [TS]

  flight into into SSTs don't you wish [TS]

  that you'd written in SST I wish I don't [TS]

  know what I wish upon a star [TS]

  well part of it is the technological [TS]

  idea of like but it really would be neat [TS]

  to be living in a time when we were [TS]

  looking beyond oh well nothing like we [TS]

  even like that carefully looking at the [TS]

  problems of our planet but we're looking [TS]

  looking much broader than that because [TS]

  to me like if you start thinking about [TS]

  your place in the rest of the universe [TS]

  you can't help but think more about [TS]

  where you live and I think that's [TS]

  something that gets lost sometimes is [TS]

  when people talk about moving sidewalks [TS]

  and jetpacks is like when we lost the [TS]

  ambition to think about what was in the [TS]

  rest of the universe and put a budget on [TS]

  yes sure there's still stuff here and [TS]

  there but you know the in our kids like [TS]

  is somebody gonna go to the moon again [TS]

  like I don't know it seems like they [TS]

  have to at some point but why are we [TS]

  working on that because when we look [TS]

  beyond our planet we have to naturally [TS]

  think more about our planet [TS]

  anybody who comes back from space and [TS]

  seen that view comes back with this [TS]

  singular feeling about about their home [TS]

  this this planet Earth this spaceship [TS]

  and that we are already on and I don't [TS]

  know I don't you know it's it's not [TS]

  difficult for me to wax rhapsodic about [TS]

  this [TS]

  but I think that's one problem sure [TS]

  there's a part of me wishes I could be [TS]

  you know i would float and go like fly [TS]

  around in a suit and like you know maybe [TS]

  you need a sandwich with the crew you [TS]

  know going to see the obelisk and all [TS]

  that but now you're part of it is and [TS]

  this is just the old you know our old [TS]

  point which is like there's just [TS]

  something that makes me a little bit sad [TS]

  inside that we've lost our disaster for [TS]

  exploration and not just macho [TS]

  exploration but just exploration for its [TS]

  own sake that helps us to understand [TS]

  just more about the world outside of our [TS]

  world and i think that makes our life on [TS]

  this planet somewhat diminished as long [TS]

  as we're not doing that and I'm like [TS]

  about it a lot but i do think about it [TS]

  I'm always astonished that that like [TS]

  strong advocacy for space exploration is [TS]

  a controversial topic because you and I [TS]

  share a feeling of like yes we should be [TS]

  exploring space what why are we even [TS]

  talking about this [TS]

  I'm embarrassed that we are doing such a [TS]

  poor job of it and have been for so long [TS]

  not just that we should but like what [TS]

  the fuck are we doing get the family is [TS]

  something we are made made to do that in [TS]

  it and once we got that ability it seems [TS]

  like the kind of thing where like to go [TS]

  and explore even near space responsibly [TS]

  it feels like our destiny yeah and I [TS]

  wonder whether like when the bike gangs [TS]

  came to New landia or whatever they call [TS]

  it New Forest idea who up there in in [TS]

  the in the canada then nobody from [TS]

  Europe came back to the Americas for [TS]

  another 500 years right the vikings made [TS]

  it over here they dug some pits they [TS]

  forged some some iron as a Viking will [TS]

  do and then either those Vikings died or [TS]

  they got back on the boat went home and [TS]

  then never made it back here like [TS]

  Vikings made it to north america and [TS]

  then did not come back and four five [TS]

  hundred more years there was there the [TS]

  there be dragons until until the Spanish [TS]

  and the Italians and the 40 days the [TS]

  Portuguese like to get this [TS]

  headed back out and said like let's just [TS]

  go see if we can get rich by raping [TS]

  people [TS]

  yeah but then they made it here and then [TS]

  once Magellan's sailed around the world [TS]

  it's not like it's not like there was [TS]

  another hundred years where people in [TS]

  Europe or like whoa whoa let's take it [TS]

  easy this isn't in our budget right [TS]

  somebody and what it was was somebody [TS]

  found gold and no one has found gold in [TS]

  outer space yet right [TS]

  and so you know we went up there we we [TS]

  put over like whatever like theirs [TS]

  theirs unobtainium there's something up [TS]

  there that we need for this purpose and [TS]

  the space race starts all over again [TS]

  that kind of motivation we put a dozen [TS]

  people on the moon [TS]

  you know and it was like okay good we [TS]

  can do it and I bet the Russians are [TS]

  scared but there was no you get to the [TS]

  moon it was like dust minds [TS]

  let's bring back some more dust and dust [TS]

  is worth a lot of money only because [TS]

  only 12 people have been here how many [TS]

  people but yeah something's gonna happen [TS]

  up there where somebody realizes oh I [TS]

  can collect fairy dust up here and use [TS]

  that very dust to something you know to [TS]

  build a cubic zirconium are you know [TS]

  like it's a it's a it's big it's a bang [TS]

  maybe there's some new you know some new [TS]

  drug up there one that does what it [TS]

  should one that doesn't make you feel to [TS]

  back one because i make you feel too [TS]

  good to go into a few stay for a minute [TS]

  there [TS]

  the alright [TS]