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0:00:15john now it's time around
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0:00:25hello hi John
0:00:28Merlin man John rado break Buddha dude
0:00:40bom bom yeah I'm kind of disoriented i
0:00:50am super-duper disorder god I'm so glad
0:00:53you're really was with your what's the
0:00:56opposite of too late you're punctual
0:00:58today yeah I'm super-pumped what's up
0:01:00with the hat
0:01:01well I just had a sebaceous cyst removed
0:01:06from my head like 20 minutes ago
0:01:08really your recently cistus I'm now
0:01:11systems for the first time in over 10
0:01:13years and so both I'm both quite
0:01:18considerably disoriented but also here
0:01:21on time said they ship assist sebaceous
0:01:26oh no you had like a lump big lump for
0:01:3012 years probably maybe 15 year i don't
0:01:34i don't a long long time we like we just
0:01:37like touching all the time
0:01:38yeah and it was on the back of my head
0:01:41kind of the reverse temple right not
0:01:44directly on the back of my head but at
0:01:46the same angle of a temple except in the
0:01:48battle if you had a second face on the
0:01:50back your head it will be on its its
0:01:51temple could be on the temple and so I
0:01:54couldn't really wear a hat very
0:01:56comfortably i couldn't i was it
0:01:59interfere with my sleep
0:02:01you know it's just go back to where your
0:02:02headlights on the pillow but I never did
0:02:04anything about it because man yeah I
0:02:07would you really did you know that it
0:02:09was a sebaceous cyst i did because you
0:02:12know when I first got it on the back of
0:02:13my head I was like oh dear
0:02:15yeah you don't you don't want lumps you
0:02:17don't want to lump on your head and then
0:02:18I did a little bit of asking around and
0:02:21was like oh it's a sebaceous cyst
0:02:23whatever it's nothing but then it was
0:02:26just it's been there forever and I just
0:02:29got the my first primary care physician
0:02:32in years and i think i even have
0:02:35mentioned it to doctors before and
0:02:36they're like a spacious system and
0:02:38you can get a little bit like they
0:02:40showed no concern about it
0:02:42no one even wanted the money that they
0:02:45would get from removing it they just
0:02:47feel like I you can do it or not I mean
0:02:49it doesn't matter but i finally got this
0:02:52primary care doctor and I was like yeah
0:02:54I'm gonna get that removed so I went in
0:02:57today and I I realized like I've been
0:03:00thinking about this guy for years
0:03:04think about it all the time reach up
0:03:06anytime i reach up and touch my head I'm
0:03:07like a and it moved around a lot
0:03:12goodness now that now that that's I
0:03:14would expect that
0:03:15no it didn't move around my head but if
0:03:17you grab din and like wiggled it will
0:03:19you would move you know and I and it was
0:03:21a party trick right i'd say hey one
0:03:23should grab my cyst and i realized that
0:03:29i have imagined taking it out myself
0:03:32with an exacto knife many many times it
0:03:35seems like something you can you've
0:03:37taken a cold sores bigger than this
0:03:38well except this is like a this is a
0:03:41sack the size of a turkey a liver what I
0:03:50mean it's no it was enormous it was I'm
0:03:52not definitely with with turkey organs
0:03:54and gimme gimme another example
0:03:56it was the size of a coin purse or yes
0:03:59Galgo yeah somewhere between the USB
0:04:01dongle and a coin purse and it was full
0:04:05of hummus and it was just sitting in
0:04:08there and so finally I was like why
0:04:11don't you take this at the doctors like
0:04:12I do it in 20 minutes and so he put some
0:04:15anesthesia in my sebaceous cyst and he
0:04:18cut it out with this
0:04:20exacto knife and and I was the whole
0:04:23time I was like listen I'd you've got to
0:04:25show this to me because I've been
0:04:26thinking about this guy for 15 years he
0:04:30and I have a relationship with this
0:04:31little fella who and I don't want to
0:04:33just have you cut it it's like that
0:04:35thing where they they take something out
0:04:37of you and then you're like let me see
0:04:38it they go we already threw it away
0:04:40I can't believe they throw things away
0:04:41they should you mean just foreclosure
0:04:43foreclosure thank you
0:04:45you know i'm not a big burial fan but I
0:04:46get the open casket
0:04:48yeah right you're like is he really dead
0:04:51thousands dead touch him nobody so it
0:04:55wasn't just a bunch of stuff under your
0:04:57skin
0:04:58he could actually show you like the
0:04:59sealed unit well so you know they cut it
0:05:02and then they squeeze it and then they
0:05:06cut out the little sack which is like I
0:05:09say like a like a bag huh a bag that
0:05:15seems like it's made out of chicken fat
0:05:17acceptance a bag
0:05:18yeah and then I was like I was like
0:05:20listen I want to see it all
0:05:22I want to see what was in it I want to
0:05:23see the bag i want the whole nine
0:05:25because i don't want to i mean you know
0:05:27i need to say goodbye but also i want to
0:05:30say fuck you to it but I just I've
0:05:33imagined it so much that I want to know
0:05:35what it is for a long time I thought it
0:05:36was full saline
0:05:38uh-huh but then I realized like no it's
0:05:40full of is full of what I would describe
0:05:43as matter
0:05:44yeah but they were describing as tissue
0:05:47I was like well there's for me there's a
0:05:50lot of it there's a big gap between
0:05:52tissue and matter you know but you know
0:05:57its nomenclature I think of tissue as
0:06:00being I'm not a physician I think that
0:06:03issue is being a little bit more solid
0:06:05like it could be squishy but it wouldn't
0:06:07be liquid yeah it's connected to you
0:06:10somehow and this is amazing you could
0:06:12just like the fact that you turn off a
0:06:13chicken John is it that kind of thing
0:06:15well that's what the bag look like but I
0:06:17swear to you the stuff that was inside
0:06:18look like Hamas internet Mediterranean
0:06:21tree only that's right
0:06:23palmistry uh huh uh and you know so in
0:06:28researching these sebaceous cysts i
0:06:31discovered that there isn't and for
0:06:33those of you who are who are eating
0:06:35while listening to the podcast first you
0:06:37should know not to do that for the ones
0:06:39we not you its second of all it's only
0:06:42going to get worse if you're queasy or
0:06:45that type of person I don't know go take
0:06:46a walk around the block but I discovered
0:06:49that there is an in there is enormous
0:06:52subculture of people who relax and deal
0:06:58with the stresses of the day by watching
0:07:01youtube videos of people squeezing
0:07:03pimples
0:07:04he he taught me about this last week
0:07:06alright this was only last week I talked
0:07:08about this
0:07:08yeah it was I every seven days yourself
0:07:10him must have been because i was
0:07:12thinking of my sebaceous mhm so but ok i
0:07:16guess as recently as a week ago you're
0:07:18still kind of on the bubble you're still
0:07:19on the system about whether this is
0:07:20something you want to get treated
0:07:22yeah yeah I was you know but I've
0:07:23thought about it all the time I'm
0:07:24surprised we haven't talked about it 50
0:07:26times because I think about it all the
0:07:27time and and within the context of the
0:07:31zit popping culture sebaceous cysts are
0:07:34right at the top of things that they
0:07:38want to see on youtube
0:07:40the squeezin and talk about closure
0:07:42because I dated a girl who was one of
0:07:45those Pickers and I think there are a
0:07:46lot of pictures out there there's a lot
0:07:48of closet poppers poppers and Pickers
0:07:51who just you know and like like they
0:07:53just want to lay there and pick at yeah
0:07:55well this that we talked before about
0:07:57that subclass of people you meet in
0:07:59college or a college town you want to
0:08:00clean your bomb because they want the
0:08:02resin and it was really weird
0:08:03ok it's right there your bond cleaner
0:08:05that while you Piper you know prototype
0:08:08clear there you're a Tusken Raider you
0:08:10know you're out there yet there but then
0:08:12there are also people who you can tell
0:08:14they're kind of their kind of eyeballing
0:08:15the kind of like hmm like what is going
0:08:17on you're like I can't pop that
0:08:19mm that's a thing right well being as I
0:08:22would never want to pop like something
0:08:23something on somebody's well frankly I
0:08:25don't want to pop anything you're not a
0:08:26popular picker but like I dated a girl
0:08:29that was a that was a strong picker
0:08:32uh-huh and she was it was very intimate
0:08:34to her it was something that we would do
0:08:36after lovemaking she'd be like oh look
0:08:38at that little thing on the back here
0:08:40next or whatever tender it's like it's
0:08:42like two monkeys but it's exactly like
0:08:44two monkeys but she was you know it was
0:08:47tender but also she would become
0:08:49monomaniacal and she and her girlfriends
0:08:53would sit and pick at each other and
0:08:55high and talk about it to talk about it
0:08:58later
0:08:59you know also and had and then I
0:09:02realized that there was not uncommon but
0:09:04that most people didn't feel that most
0:09:06even people that you were you know
0:09:08dating so certainly it's not a thing to
0:09:09bring up when you're casually dating
0:09:12but-but-but I discovered that given the
0:09:15opportunity if you broach the topic with
0:09:19somebody like what about what about this
0:09:22pic and they will typically you'll find
0:09:25more people than you thought
0:09:27we'll go like oh really could I could I
0:09:30you know like very taboo excited i got
0:09:34fifty shades of grey for dermatology
0:09:36yeah you like that before the internet
0:09:39you know like let's say you lived you
0:09:41might live somewhere and you didn't have
0:09:43the internet and you didn't have
0:09:45magazines and you didn't have to pay
0:09:46cable and you might have some kind of
0:09:49various pic cable the cable mean and how
0:09:53can i get the cable it's the medieval
0:09:56precursor to Showtime
0:09:57oh I see the cable milady where you know
0:10:03you might have something that you don't
0:10:05even realize you're special
0:10:06yes you i mean there are people you
0:10:08reach a certain age in life and you have
0:10:10enough exposure to the internet you
0:10:11realize that not only is your special
0:10:13thing a thing that it's it there are a
0:10:16lot of other people have your special
0:10:17thing and they might have your thing in
0:10:18a way that's much more special than you
0:10:20which actually kinda makes you feel
0:10:21maybe a little bit normal maybe a good
0:10:23weight since you feel you know I'm gonna
0:10:25crazy one
0:10:26wait i'm not the crazy picker here i am
0:10:29just a normal picker
0:10:31yeah i mean like imagine the first
0:10:32person the first person who said on
0:10:35their wedding night would you spank me
0:10:37right the first person that did that
0:10:40this is this is probably like that maybe
0:10:41the 1603 haha i think maybe even before
0:10:44but yeah right like but you know what is
0:10:48the thing is though II there's there's
0:10:49certain kinds of special things that
0:10:51you're aware of
0:10:52right like you might know about but
0:10:54stuff things or you might know about
0:10:55brassieres uh your toes like what might
0:10:59know about shrimping shrimping trippin
0:11:02yeah I don't know about shrimping that's
0:11:04what you on about you you get shrimp
0:11:06oh icic that's not a that's not like hot
0:11:08Karl that's actually shrimpin carbon
0:11:12shrimpin is a hot carl is like 30 said
0:11:15she's gonna be hot girls in the family
0:11:17of a dirty
0:11:18it's like a rodeo okay um yeah right
0:11:23well and I think this is this or this
0:11:25dovetails with finding your dock right i
0:11:27mean some people and your database also
0:11:29the thing about it though is its first
0:11:30of all it's like it's the kind of thing
0:11:32where like you know what let's let's say
0:11:33in 2016 if you're a like a
0:11:36fifteen-year-old girl it might be much
0:11:39more permissible to say hey would you
0:11:41spank me
0:11:42you could even see it to another lady
0:11:43and that would not be weird today
0:11:45whereas I think you might still feel
0:11:47some compunction about saying is it okay
0:11:49if we have some heavy petting and then I
0:11:51picked yours it's a little bit yeah well
0:11:53i think this falls into the category
0:11:54finding your sex duck right behind your
0:12:00sex doctor because when I was young I
0:12:02you know spanking was pretty taboo right
0:12:07there were there were like that you'd
0:12:08you watch it you find it a 8-millimeter
0:12:12movie about it you know where it's like
0:12:14oh boy these are some people in in
0:12:17schreiner outfits like spanking people
0:12:19in there in there there frilly panties
0:12:22yeah and they make it look they make it
0:12:23look like it's justjust acute thing you
0:12:25do this one time but the thing is the
0:12:27thing about a special thing is some
0:12:29people special things like that could
0:12:30become very much part of the workflow
0:12:32yeah well I and I think over time we
0:12:34become desensitized so now spanking just
0:12:37seems like normal normal sex play it's
0:12:40just like spank spank spank ya that's
0:12:43not a big deal you're not gonna you're
0:12:45not gonna you're not gonna need to join
0:12:48a special club he wouldn't eat you
0:12:51wouldn't
0:12:51in this day and age you would not have
0:12:53to find a friend of a friend who could
0:12:55tell you about a spanking bar right
0:12:57right right well and I think what we
0:12:59what I'm not sure how much of this is
0:13:02millennial mythology and how much of it
0:13:04is Millennials is so difficult to tell
0:13:06anymore but but you know that whole line
0:13:09of thinking that is attributed to
0:13:12Millennials which is that they wanted to
0:13:15keep their virginity virginity but they
0:13:17did engage in but play who they would
0:13:21they would put in one another's but oh
0:13:23it's a but first operation yeah and then
0:13:26that kept their virginity it took its
0:13:29kind of false i think if you have
0:13:31somebody
0:13:31has been in your butt your virginity is
0:13:33is a done deal but it was something
0:13:36that's a very it's very narrow
0:13:38old-fashioned view john well i guess i
0:13:41don't know i feel ya i I'll say I'll put
0:13:44it this way if somebody had put that
0:13:46idea in front of me that the notion that
0:13:49you could do butt stuff for a couple
0:13:50three years and still call yourself
0:13:51version i would have thought that was a
0:13:53little peculiar certainty for right
0:13:56because it always seemed that that but
0:13:58stuff was an elevation from normal sexy
0:14:02stuff that's like saying I speed all the
0:14:04time but I don't know how to drive a car
0:14:05you know what I mean you know kind of
0:14:08well you know you gotta walk before you
0:14:09run it you know usually start the front
0:14:11moved back but but I feel like this is
0:14:13the opposite of how you put on hair
0:14:14product by a car in the front moved to
0:14:16the back and hear about you starting the
0:14:17back with different you don't know what
0:14:19about white thing that you know a lot of
0:14:20people they wipe wrong also
0:14:22well let's not talk about that that's
0:14:23the thing that dads can talk about
0:14:25yeah but it's not a thing that's in the
0:14:27general parlance I'm that's not a that's
0:14:28not a thing to say almost like saying a
0:14:30lot of people a lot of people suffer in
0:14:31silence you wipe back to front
0:14:33hi good is good to meet you see what is
0:14:35just see that's the kind of thing in a
0:14:37few years that's gonna seemed really
0:14:38normal if there could be people have
0:14:39been talking about wiping for years but
0:14:41never had a choice vaginal intercourse
0:14:44but they're very comfortable talking
0:14:45about that I feel the same way about my
0:14:47eyebrows
0:14:48we're like I'm not a picker of the body
0:14:50parts i don't think but I've reached
0:14:54that age I imagine you reach this is you
0:14:57trim your eyebrows well yeah we're like
0:14:59the production of hair on top like I'm i
0:15:01got a pretty good head of hair
0:15:03I'm fortunate in that sense but i will
0:15:05tell you that the growth you know the
0:15:06way they measure like the problem with
0:15:07apple like everybody's mad apple right
0:15:09now because apples growth has gone down
0:15:11it's not that was losing money is that
0:15:13their growth has slowed down right so my
0:15:15growth it is not have been a big growth
0:15:17quarter for the top of my head I see
0:15:19whereas over here in the in the
0:15:22you-know-what in the iphone vertical you
0:15:24look at my either the ear you got the
0:15:25nose
0:15:25you got the eyebrows mean that that is
0:15:28that is that's what it's all happening
0:15:29that is a fecundity of apps my friend
0:15:32so what happened is my daughter will be
0:15:33sitting there and she might be more
0:15:35picture the meeting will be sitting
0:15:36there reading a book and she'll be
0:15:37staring at me I'm like what is it and I
0:15:39brown she's yeah
0:15:40mm just won't show it in there well no
0:15:42she's it's really starting to bugger
0:15:44because i think it's you know
0:15:45including some of the light and so I go
0:15:48into the room I get the fancy tweezers
0:15:49and pull out the one Brezhnev hair does
0:15:52she want to see that no no she can't
0:15:55stand blood or eyebrows she's like any
0:15:57of that stuff and then it pulls out the
0:15:58little hair sack
0:16:00that's when you know you've really hit
0:16:01it yeah well here's the problem here's
0:16:02the problem is it starts out this is the
0:16:04thing is it it starts out as I'm just
0:16:06gonna go in the bathroom for 20 seconds
0:16:08I'm gonna pull out this one Road hair
0:16:11oh but then you get going well then the
0:16:13trouble is now you're looking you
0:16:15discover two more rogue hairs over here
0:16:17on the other side
0:16:18uh-huh and then pretty soon you get to
0:16:21be one of the people doesn't have
0:16:22eyebrows
0:16:23well my sister see my dad got those big
0:16:25wizard eyebrows as years went on perfect
0:16:28you know just like unruly I don't like
0:16:31doing eyebrow
0:16:32yeah and my sister hated it you know and
0:16:36and developed this this thing that I
0:16:39think your daughter is also developing
0:16:40which is like she it became a trigger
0:16:44for her and so when i get a rogue
0:16:47eyebrow now which you know because we're
0:16:50young men
0:16:51we're still young dad's it's not like i
0:16:54have these crazy mad scientist eyebrows
0:16:57but everyone's while one will get going
0:16:59right and it will be four inches long or
0:17:03whatever we and always kind of with the
0:17:05with an insouciant curl
0:17:07uh-huh but if my sister sees it she'll
0:17:10get furious
0:17:12you know I'm gonna eat it really is it's
0:17:14a trigger for her oh it drives are not
0:17:16detected the wizard days with your dad
0:17:18yeah so she used to sit I think and even
0:17:20trim my dad's eyebrows like she's with
0:17:23little scissors she would like get in
0:17:24there and just because it drove her
0:17:26bananas Wow
0:17:27but so now that i'm doing it she's like
0:17:29do not do not let your eyebrows go and
0:17:34you know and of course I'm thinking to
0:17:36myself boy when I get really crazy
0:17:39eyebrows that is going to be awesome
0:17:41it's crazy eyebrows come on what does
0:17:44that say about a person i know will let
0:17:46me play pulls together a little bit here
0:17:47because there's a phenomenon
0:17:48I wonder if you seen this Dec somebody
0:17:53and this is this is going to be
0:17:54normative but you see somebody who has
0:17:56like a really distinctive mole
0:17:59then you might see somebody who has a
0:18:00distinctive mold it's really more like a
0:18:02hillock and it's like that's kind of
0:18:04cool you gotta face more you gotta get
0:18:05you rolling aaron neville let's say
0:18:07mhm and then the thing is those will
0:18:10grow a hair or 40 i see us so there's a
0:18:16guy I used to be a meanie driver in our
0:18:18neighborhood and I I was hypnotized by
0:18:21this man because he had he had a he had
0:18:24a face mole that was the circumference
0:18:26of a quarter
0:18:27you know I said good on you right it was
0:18:30raised it was kind of about the same
0:18:31proportions as a pitcher's mound and he
0:18:34had a mole beard he had I'm gonna say
0:18:38429 hairs that were to 25 inches long
0:18:42coming out of it oh so that when he was
0:18:46operating on another level
0:18:48he knew that it was there and he was let
0:18:50go immediately
0:18:51he's letting it happen he was the thing
0:18:54is how could you not get rid of those
0:18:56unless that was the thing that you are
0:18:57really exploring yeah right it's like
0:18:59it's like I mean there's owning it and
0:19:02then there's rocking it you know what
0:19:04I'm saying that's that that's a fuck you
0:19:06mole beard yeah right like you don't
0:19:08like them all how about how about a beer
0:19:09on a moment I feel about that that's
0:19:11that's rockin it and a and when somebody
0:19:15goes from and doesn't wanna say that
0:19:17seems like that's right in your
0:19:18wheelhouse in terms like being a large
0:19:20man wears tight pants taking pictures of
0:19:22yourself for the internet and in heaven
0:19:24and driving around and you know I public
0:19:26transit why you got a mole beer that
0:19:27seems like there's something you could
0:19:28really honor
0:19:29no not at all i would never if I had a
0:19:31big mole on my face I would I would I
0:19:33would almost certainly try and get it
0:19:35removed because there are vanities and
0:19:39then there are vanities and big crazy
0:19:41eyebrows that comports exactly with my
0:19:44sense of myself that I should be wearing
0:19:46a tweed jacket with the patches on the
0:19:48elbows and marching up and down in front
0:19:50of in front of a large lecture hall
0:19:52waving my hands are a collector and
0:19:55shaped like an owl
0:19:56yeah with the rubber bands in your beard
0:19:58on anything to put the pocket of my
0:20:01pants covered with chalk dust even even
0:20:03even though even though it's a it's a
0:20:06white erase board and no chalk is
0:20:09required just chalk dust right like me
0:20:12proud
0:20:12probably sell that to attend your
0:20:14professors you can just get a little
0:20:15packet of chalk dust i keep I keep a bag
0:20:17of chalk in my pocket from the price I
0:20:21swear to god officer it's chocolate
0:20:23shops the baguette rock is that a
0:20:25sebaceous cyst that beyond you know so
0:20:30but unruly eyebrows yes but uh but a but
0:20:33a large mole with hair growing out of it
0:20:35is the wrong kind of warlock you know
0:20:40like I'm my intent of this is the thing
0:20:43I don't consider myself a warlock i
0:20:46consider myself a wizard and I feel like
0:20:48there's a major difference if you're a
0:20:51warlock you can wear a mole beer
0:20:54forgetting that gender issues now a
0:20:56warlock is the gender male gender
0:20:59version of a which is that correct yeah
0:21:01but I i I'm not entirely clear on this
0:21:03but i believe that a warlock has
0:21:05different duties different skill set
0:21:07than a witch but i may be different
0:21:09alignment no same alignment like a
0:21:12warlock in which are sort of compare our
0:21:15like a synonymous more or less but like
0:21:20oh and here's an interesting thing now
0:21:23that I'm thinking about the gendering of
0:21:25a of magic who is there a female
0:21:29equivalent to a wizard or are female
0:21:31Wizards just also Wizards old don't
0:21:33imagine for a second i'm not thinking
0:21:34about because right is it was yeah I
0:21:36harry potter around my mind and I i
0:21:39think they refer to witches and wizards
0:21:42yeah a little bit i mean that's kind of
0:21:44like referring to like sergeant
0:21:46Colonel's little not exactly right i
0:21:47mean i think if you put an e on the end
0:21:49of wizard I think of wizards is being
0:21:51more in in in management
0:21:53I think of them as being at least like
0:21:55like a commissioned officer for ya for
0:21:58me I feel like warlocks and witches
0:22:00witches are standing around a cauldron
0:22:02whereas gizzards are carrying some kind
0:22:06of ball or staff okay right so like a
0:22:11wizard might have a chalk bag in his
0:22:14robes but also some other stone some of
0:22:17them you know shiny some of them you
0:22:20know semi-opaque
0:22:21and a staff and maybe a familiar in the
0:22:26in the shape of a large weird monkey or
0:22:29you know like a a bat can talk or an owl
0:22:34or something I recently learned that
0:22:36you've known since since your teen years
0:22:39I i did not know this
0:22:40I did not know that in the world of lord
0:22:42of the rings that Wizards which is it
0:22:46will give time from right here Wizards
0:22:47are actually kind of angel that right
0:22:49I don't think I don't think I don't
0:22:51think the wizard is a hopped-up human i
0:22:54think it's i think it's a human ish
0:22:56angel employer we're gonna we're gonna
0:22:58get some else about this one
0:22:59well and I think that's I think that's
0:23:01correct in my experience so having not
0:23:04fully digested the silmarillion but if
0:23:07within the Lord of the Rings cosmology
0:23:09that I understand there is never ever
0:23:12ever any mention of God there are just
0:23:16people that are good and bad and they
0:23:18get more and more powerful so like sore
0:23:21on if there was a god in Lord of the
0:23:24Rings you would think to God within a
0:23:26certain points a sore on is SuperDuper
0:23:29bad and he's using bad magic and he's
0:23:32he's like I mean sore on gives life to
0:23:34bad orcs even Solomon was giving life he
0:23:39was he was he was birthing a Hawkeye get
0:23:45that's not it i mean that's a god-like
0:23:47talent but but I i never got the sense
0:23:50that that gandalf was one other although
0:23:55he's never referred to as a man I i feel
0:23:58like i have to mention something at this
0:23:59juncture because almost everyone i know
0:24:01on the internet is yelling yes I am
0:24:03obliquely referring to a video my friend
0:24:06of the internet cgpgrey this is HSV is
0:24:10out John you would love this guy if
0:24:11you've seen a video explaining the
0:24:12difference between the British Isles and
0:24:14the UO I know these videos of course
0:24:17that's the sky cgpgrey this guy lives in
0:24:19England where he kind of does does this
0:24:20entertaining lecture and only got this
0:24:23is deliberately sap graphics zippy zap
0:24:25graphics but explaining for example
0:24:27explaining what this is great stuff
0:24:28explaining how uh the history of the
0:24:33monarchy in England yeah that was a
0:24:35great one although there was one and i
0:24:37forget which one it was where I take
0:24:38somewhat took issue
0:24:40yeah i'm not sure which one you like
0:24:42history of England I i like that that's
0:24:44a great or 82 what is one of his most
0:24:46recent ones is a real mind-blowing i'm
0:24:48sorry i said to my daughter basically
0:24:50trying to explain how the teleporter
0:24:53thing on Star Trek works oh I like
0:24:55basically coming on the only way that
0:24:57this thing makes any sense is that it is
0:24:59a death machine that basically kills you
0:25:01and recreate an exact version of you
0:25:03with your previous memories
0:25:04anyway super fascinating yes internet i
0:25:06hear you Lord of the Rings mythology
0:25:08video by cgpgrey is where I learned
0:25:10about this and also that link to you for
0:25:12for your approval
0:25:13according to wikipedia which is never
0:25:15wrong
0:25:17wizards of middle-earth or a group of
0:25:18beings outwardly resembling men capital
0:25:21m but possessing much greater physical
0:25:23and mental power they are also called
0:25:24the his story by the elves they were
0:25:28sent by Valar to assist the people of
0:25:30middle-earth two contests are on icy now
0:25:34now hobbits the hobbits are people but
0:25:36they're little
0:25:37yeah well it wasn't Pickers they got
0:25:39some serious don't have a lot of like
0:25:41like foot hair I did not I did not and i
0:25:44do not believe anywhere in the Lord of
0:25:46the Rings saga that there are any half
0:25:50hobbits so although elves seem elbe
0:25:55seymour other and more foreign two men
0:25:59because of their because of their
0:26:02eternal life
0:26:03you can have a half-elf a man and an elf
0:26:07can meet and buy man I mean men but man
0:26:11capital and then man man capital and I
0:26:14pray human person and a elf of what
0:26:17whatever however you describe we have to
0:26:19get the F pretty drunk though only are
0:26:22they want the elves pretty fancy about
0:26:23being else I except humans and
0:26:26Neanderthals made it so let's suppose I
0:26:30me just depends on like you know where
0:26:31your where you know I think that you
0:26:34start in for the winter you know piss on
0:26:36a spark plug right
0:26:37my sense of an elf is that yes having
0:26:40sex with a human would be slumming
0:26:41somewhat but when did that ever stop a
0:26:44person caught on the dl there's there
0:26:46yet
0:26:47there's a well on the dl actually
0:26:49started i think within the
0:26:51african-american things in the
0:26:52african-american community and as a
0:26:54description for being gay
0:26:56similarly as us as i disagree i think i
0:27:01think it started in the African
0:27:03communities way saying yeah I totally
0:27:05have sex with other dudes but we are not
0:27:07gay
0:27:08oh yeah right that's what I mean when I
0:27:10say having sex with other dudes on the
0:27:12down-low my assumption is that they are
0:27:15gay but are acting straight they are
0:27:18claiming not to be gay
0:27:20they're the center at the center but in
0:27:22but in fact that is the that was the
0:27:24only socially acceptable way to do build
0:27:28things thats thats download but I but
0:27:31you know I don't think elves having sex
0:27:33with humans is down low i think that
0:27:35that's just like something there
0:27:37well there's an element of sex seenus to
0:27:40degradation right that you know there's
0:27:43a kind of the sex is dirty we talk about
0:27:46it as being dirty the humans is rough
0:27:48trade
0:27:48it's a little rough trade yeah but I
0:27:51don't have any I've never seen any
0:27:54reference to a half Hobbit and it seems
0:27:58like is there a rough portrayed than
0:28:01having sex with a hobbit they like to
0:28:02drink they like to stay at home and they
0:28:05seem like they'd be ideal sex partners
0:28:07in a lot of ways they they left they
0:28:08love to eat in the books they don't talk
0:28:12a lot about girl hobbits but in the
0:28:15movies they really mean that the girl
0:28:20habits aren't part of the adventure but
0:28:21the camera loves a girl Hobbit in the
0:28:24moves right the camera just lovingly
0:28:27pans over these big feasts we're all
0:28:30these kind of voluptuous red-haired
0:28:31freckled girl habits are serving big
0:28:35platters of of beasts
0:28:37yeah and i have to say watching the
0:28:41films
0:28:42I was like why are there no half habits
0:28:45because i'd make a half Hobbit sure they
0:28:48making rap because people like you
0:28:50well exactly like send me through a
0:28:52round Ord mound house and let me make it
0:28:58happen when their pack of pipe
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0:31:00you may be no second breakfast
0:31:03oh they're gonna have a second breaking
0:31:06oh my goodness
0:31:07now I'll tell you what there's a lot of
0:31:09this off for me is you know they talk
0:31:11talk talk about imprinting on something
0:31:13and things i imprinted on the word
0:31:16warlock through bewitched
0:31:18oh yes so that's where I learned the
0:31:21word warlock we're really bewitched it's
0:31:23all about the witches right you got yet
0:31:24Tabitha you got Endora you got yet sexy
0:31:27bad Tabitha yeah but think about who
0:31:30played the Warlock okay you got your
0:31:32Paul in Paul in at any time Paul is on
0:31:35oh he is chewing up the scenery he's
0:31:38stealing the show
0:31:39yes and Pauline made warlock in sexy I
0:31:43could think of to other warlocks I'm not
0:31:45remembering their names one of them one
0:31:47of the Morlocks was there was uncle was
0:31:51uncle Arthur applause and uncle Arthur
0:31:53is pollen right you know that
0:31:55what's-his-name Maurice else and now you
0:31:58got that guy you got the guy who's like
0:31:59Duncan he's like the guy who always has
0:32:01the bomb guy in world war two movies you
0:32:03know
0:32:04ok i always like a British officer right
0:32:06right yeah but what I'm starting to
0:32:08notice is that all the Warlocks in the
0:32:10brook bewitched cosmology are on the
0:32:14down-low right they're all a little gay
0:32:17Oh in trysting maybe this explains why
0:32:21there's no half Morlocks I don't know
0:32:24what a half where I might even I I feel
0:32:27like maybe a half wizard you know what i
0:32:28mean like i am a wizard but what about
0:32:31the kid what about the kid they
0:32:32disappeared
0:32:33you've got to get Samantha and durwood
0:32:35and they got their kid they had the
0:32:36daughter
0:32:37uh-oh its daughter's name or your deep
0:32:40into it now I I can't go this deep on we
0:32:42got the daughter and then remember don't
0:32:44this is one of the early examples of
0:32:46disappearing a character from a show
0:32:48when they added they had the strap on
0:32:50kid you know when you get that you have
0:32:51a wedding you have a strapon ki added to
0:32:54the mix and they had this little kid and
0:32:56then the next season began
0:32:57he's gone well that's not even that's
0:33:00not even as close to as baffling as the
0:33:03fact that Darren changed from completely
0:33:06one guy to a completely different guys
0:33:08whole personality change to the original
0:33:11Parent the original Derek dick York
0:33:13was he was be funneled but he was Easter
0:33:16you could tell that he really loved her
0:33:18yeah and the second Aaron he seemed he
0:33:21seemed like it was a little crabby well
0:33:23here's a little bit crabby yeah and I
0:33:24guess that was the kind of amp up the
0:33:26how far we're gonna take this whole you
0:33:27know which in the suburbs thing
0:33:29yeah which in the suburbs huh I mean
0:33:32when you think about escape to Witch
0:33:34Mountain right escape to Witch Mountain
0:33:38that's the brother and the sister to
0:33:40disney movie i remember much happens in
0:33:43that wasn't the Benji era
0:33:44yeah that's right it was it was in the
0:33:46jodi for young Jodie Foster era escape
0:33:48too much medical she can tell she wasn't
0:33:50right that's right candleshoe to escape
0:33:52to Witch Mountain was a was a very
0:33:54formative film for me because the
0:33:57brother and sister had some magic powers
0:34:00some witchy powers
0:34:01yeah and they were being pursued by
0:34:04Donald Pleasence I love that guy or
0:34:07Donald Pleasence is yet on plus i don't
0:34:09you talk about the Donald Pleasence it
0:34:11at seven young ray milland ray milland
0:34:14who right uh but they had witchy powers
0:34:18and they were like you know they were
0:34:19being adults were bad and adults had
0:34:22authority over them and sort of power
0:34:24over them but then they could do these
0:34:25little tricks they could levitate cats
0:34:27and they could you know unlocked doors
0:34:30they had telekinesis and as a kid as a
0:34:33you know eight-year-old or
0:34:35seven-year-old I really really I wasn't
0:34:39I wasn't ready to imagine a world
0:34:42without adults imagine a world where
0:34:45adults couldn't put you in your room and
0:34:46lock the door but I was prepared to
0:34:49imagine a world where I had telekinesis
0:34:51and could unlock the door or could you
0:34:55know like get a bowl of ice cream from
0:34:57the kitchen and floated into my room
0:34:59while nobody was watching right so we'll
0:35:02escape from witch mountain very very
0:35:03very influential on me and it was scary
0:35:06to and then
0:35:08spoiler alert turns out there who foes
0:35:11are you even kidding me know their foes
0:35:14stranded stranded here because there was
0:35:17a new focus i never knew that I never
0:35:19knew that
0:35:20yeah because it's because it's a little
0:35:22confusing at the end you know all the
0:35:23way through the film they're having
0:35:24these flashbacks of
0:35:25like they're there in the waves there's
0:35:29like there's no and it goes from fantasy
0:35:31science fiction
0:35:32mm so it's not that they were little
0:35:35witches it is that they were who foes
0:35:39and and they didn't even understand it
0:35:41they were like what are these weird
0:35:43powers that we have because the
0:35:44spaceship crash happened in there very
0:35:47early memory
0:35:48okay what are these little power you
0:35:50know how can we do this we're we're such
0:35:52weirdos only we understand one another
0:35:54little incesti to uh huh
0:35:57they can talk to each other huh uh yeah
0:35:59they can talk to each other with
0:36:01psionics now psionics mm-my again
0:36:07my understanding is incomplete but i
0:36:08believe psionics are strictly a Dungeons
0:36:12and Dragons power there are several
0:36:16things that mark me as a slack dnd
0:36:19player as we talked about in the past we
0:36:22would never play encumbrance we wouldn't
0:36:24deal with the turn stuff we just want to
0:36:25like have adventures we also didn't do a
0:36:27lot with psionics with which frustrated
0:36:28some people i think it depends on what
0:36:30you grew up with now as a as somebody
0:36:32who came to the x-men late and is a fan
0:36:35of phoenix and stuff like that or like
0:36:37scarlet witch and I think we're talking
0:36:39I think you're talking about scarlet
0:36:40witch in Phoenix kind of powers right
0:36:41you're talking about mine things mind
0:36:44things so they look like an illusionist
0:36:46or a magic-user there that's a trade
0:36:50almost right yeah i mean you don't have
0:36:51to have spent my obviously you've gotta
0:36:52roll the right numbers but you don't
0:36:54have to have extraordinary abilities to
0:36:57take that up as a trade like to know
0:36:59what I'm going to mechanic I feel like
0:37:00ricky jay is a this world magic user
0:37:05rights I mean Ricky J he's an
0:37:07illusionist such thing as an illusionist
0:37:08well he's an illusionist but if you
0:37:10could be a magic-user in this world I
0:37:11think he would be able to be always work
0:37:14up some spells have been little hammer
0:37:16and pestle and you know take some grind
0:37:18up some herbs and make a little make a
0:37:21little spell ok causes you to forget the
0:37:24last six hours or causes you to
0:37:26you know like it makes a sword dance
0:37:31makes a candlestick dance you know what
0:37:33I mean
0:37:33hmm but but a magic-user and honestly my
0:37:40first dungeons and dragons character was
0:37:42a magic-user again because that's what
0:37:45your old no because that's what I
0:37:47thought
0:37:48yeah I wonder we get to yeah I was just
0:37:51like I'm making a magic-user make him i
0:37:55think he was also a half health half
0:37:57health magic user who really sure that's
0:38:00what my first character was because
0:38:03because again that's kind of how I
0:38:06thought of myself if you talked about
0:38:08this a bit in the past and I don't want
0:38:10to beat into the ground is a bit but it
0:38:12sounds like there have been times in
0:38:14your life where not to say that you
0:38:16believe you could conjure an orb but
0:38:18like it wasn't an impossible thing that
0:38:21we definitely never happen i kept being
0:38:23confused about why I couldn't
0:38:25let's say let's say that i was i was
0:38:28just a little disappointed a little
0:38:30confused and I think and and and this
0:38:32confusion was it long long predated my
0:38:37exposure even to lower the rings or
0:38:41really any kind of magic TV show magic I
0:38:47just I just didn't understand if anybody
0:38:51could do it
0:38:52it surely would be me why can I not do
0:38:55it and and write it and then it was hot
0:38:57that it was equally hard to accept that
0:39:00nobody can because that didn't seem
0:39:02right either
0:39:03like why with humans can do quite a bit
0:39:07of magic in the sense that you know we
0:39:10build bridges over rivers we it all
0:39:12seems kind of magical right
0:39:14why then would we not be able to to act
0:39:19at a distance with you know just
0:39:21tinkling our fingers or even even just
0:39:23holding out your palm and little spark
0:39:26stands
0:39:27yeah there's there's some in the in the
0:39:30Marvel world especially like in the
0:39:32x-men there are there's there are people
0:39:35who start out with these abilities that
0:39:36are super interesting but i think they
0:39:38feel like it's not enough for to have
0:39:40the whole character on to give my goal
0:39:41they can also get big or get super
0:39:43strength but there are people like I
0:39:44want to say long shot i want to say
0:39:46maybe psylocke but there are these do
0:39:49these characters who one of their
0:39:50abilities is what you could just roughly
0:39:53call luckiness uh-huh
0:39:55no it's really interesting but basically
0:39:56with scarlet witch before she's able to
0:39:58make you know Scott which is such a
0:40:01weird like huge deal in the comics and
0:40:03increasingly now and then the movies but
0:40:05she's interesting her basic skill at the
0:40:07beginning was that she could change the
0:40:10likelihood of things going our way
0:40:12how I would that be like so basically
0:40:15she but you get people like her it's
0:40:17only collecting harry potter takes the
0:40:18good luck serum right and same here like
0:40:21you have the ability to like somehow
0:40:23alter the odds of how things are going
0:40:25for you and your team they always give
0:40:26the awesome defensive skills to the
0:40:27women so it's like it's like now all of
0:40:29a sudden you have a fifty six percent
0:40:31chance of any outcome but it would seem
0:40:34to me within those worlds that that
0:40:36would that the temptation would be to
0:40:40just make look go their way every time
0:40:42right which wouldn't be as interesting
0:40:44as like well let's hope it's okay look
0:40:47goes away there's a better chance than
0:40:49even yeah but that's the story of people
0:40:50that's me miss Peter Parker so great is
0:40:52that like his whole obsession is that
0:40:54like he wants to take what he has and
0:40:56use it in a good way you know with great
0:40:57power comes great responsibility
0:40:59right right well let me ask okay here we
0:41:02have professor bald
0:41:05yeah and his school from you
0:41:08yeah right if you because mutant ability
0:41:13seems to you know it comes out across
0:41:15the human spectrum right yeah they're
0:41:18mutants from everywhere and they have a
0:41:20lot of different powers and it doesn't
0:41:21seem to me first of all two things
0:41:23within x-men
0:41:24hmm it doesn't seem that you ever get to
0:41:26people who have the same powers
0:41:30depends on how you define that but no I
0:41:33mean there there are Indians and I print
0:41:35yeah but I mean there's especially in
0:41:39the nineties there are way too many
0:41:41x-men with way too many powers and so
0:41:43there's less people there's lots of
0:41:43teleporters oh i see for example where
0:41:46there are people who can phase through
0:41:48solid things there's several characters
0:41:50that can do that see but it's like
0:41:51Cyclops had a baby with another mutant
0:41:55he did that did that baby also have
0:41:58Cyclops and powers
0:41:59oh way bigger than that now depends on
0:42:01which universe here in NYC is so like it
0:42:03is one universe where he and Jim Gray
0:42:06had a baby and is another another
0:42:08universe where he and Sam Madelyne Pryor
0:42:10had a baby but basically they hope
0:42:13summers his daughter becomes spoiler
0:42:16alert becomes the new Phoenix oh that
0:42:19side but I thought Jean Grey was
0:42:21basically top mutant and Jean Grey's
0:42:25feet when she became dark phoenix she's
0:42:29even beyond omega-level mutant point
0:42:31she's got she's got she basically she
0:42:33eats a world she pulls Galactus on this
0:42:35entire like star system so she's as big
0:42:37a deal as like big blue penis man that's
0:42:41interesting because big blue penis man I
0:42:43mean how do you have more powers and
0:42:44blue penis man I mean that's not all he
0:42:47didn't have the power to just not be
0:42:49interested in what humans thought yeah
0:42:52yeah they compare them to our reader
0:42:54issues a lot but you know I wish that
0:42:56Richard the stretching man he's
0:42:58stretching man you know i also have two
0:43:00I owe you an apology i read too quickly
0:43:02in the 1975 film escape to Witch
0:43:05Mountain that features both ray milland
0:43:07and Donald Pleasence so ray milland was
0:43:10Donald Pleasence his proxy
0:43:12alright instant Aristotle bolt and Lucas
0:43:16Deranian yeah right so Donald Pleasence
0:43:19was the one that was sitting with a
0:43:21white cat like slowly petting a white
0:43:23cat on it literally was he was if you
0:43:25remember I believe he was that guy i
0:43:28remember all too well wasn't he in the
0:43:30in the James Bond movie was that guy
0:43:32it was the pepper white cap what's his
0:43:34name was with the name of Boris Bob
0:43:38Boris Karloff right for the great
0:43:39universalmovies but here's another thing
0:43:42about x
0:43:43and that i want to ask this seems like
0:43:44something that is that i do not know I
0:43:47don't even have a gag about yeah it's
0:43:49just a question if you were a mutant who
0:43:52had some time about professor groovy
0:43:56Ilan's house of mutants
0:43:59yeah school mean yes if you're a mutant
0:44:02power was that every time you sneeze
0:44:07sneeze glitter let's say you just sneeze
0:44:11glitter that was your that's a
0:44:13definitely a mutant power
0:44:14yeah right like whoa if you were like a
0:44:17glitter sneezer your friends and family
0:44:21and stuff would be very concerned and
0:44:23then ultimately like not into you right
0:44:25like you can't live among us your
0:44:28Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer
0:44:29that's right you're you're very much a
0:44:31mutant so this glitter some user has all
0:44:33the problems of immune like don't live
0:44:35around here every time you sneeze we get
0:44:38glitter all over us
0:44:40glitter in that it's impossible to get
0:44:41off the characters names gesundheit
0:44:44[Music]
0:44:45but is glitter sneezing a big enough
0:44:48mutant power that that Professor Xavier
0:44:51will have you in his school I like would
0:44:53you pass the audition yeah right i mean
0:44:55it's it's the school can't contain
0:44:57everybody can have every single glitters
0:45:00and using mutant no no it's a good
0:45:02question so where would you go live
0:45:03where you mean gene is out there right
0:45:05new gene causes people to have these
0:45:07mutations they usually appear somewhere
0:45:09around puberty and the truth is for most
0:45:11people like run-of-the-mill like people
0:45:14are trying to pass you know they don't
0:45:17want to get clocked as being immune
0:45:19because obviously become an outcast and
0:45:21a know the very the very first like four
0:45:23pages of the 1975 x-men is them trying
0:45:25to like burned down the building that
0:45:27night crawlers and because he's a mutant
0:45:29yeah and so I mean that's that's kind of
0:45:31the whole thrust of the story is that
0:45:32these people are different so you got a
0:45:33lot of people have to her trying to set
0:45:35the word pass
0:45:36yeah we're trying to pass as being a
0:45:38homo sapien and and so if you're just
0:45:43out there and don't think the one thing
0:45:44you can do is like talk two mice but
0:45:47mice don't really have that they don't
0:45:48have a way to talk to you
0:45:50well or they can have you know everyone
0:45:51very powerful walkie-talkie or you know
0:45:53even if you can communicate back and
0:45:55forth
0:45:56his cheeks yeah mice don't have much to
0:45:59say right
0:46:00holy shit she's pooped cheese rod by
0:46:03Todd gap and so that's your heard that's
0:46:06your ability
0:46:07uh-huh and you're like not even you're
0:46:09not even like ant-man and men who
0:46:11initially was so lame and initial
0:46:13ability was to control ants and
0:46:14communicate with dance haha
0:46:16the thing is they kept hitting him up
0:46:17within like like fewer than like 10
0:46:19issues they were joining him up to where
0:46:20he can not only get very tiny than a
0:46:22giant managed to come really big but
0:46:23first the very first issue the Avengers
0:46:26you basically Loki has fooled Hulk and
0:46:29is trying to cause he's basically like
0:46:31trying to cause this this giant to send
0:46:33all the Avengers are going after hawk
0:46:34because they think he's a monster and
0:46:36it's like you know iron man is doing
0:46:38this in capital know this before Captain
0:46:39America but you know and Thor's doing
0:46:41this and it's like a man says I will
0:46:42send my ants all over the planet to try
0:46:44to find the Hulk get the edible but in
0:46:47this case you're saying you're not even
0:46:48a mouse wrangler at this point you're
0:46:50just as you get your mouse whisper you
0:46:52can't make the my students because
0:46:53you're like my go-to the place and
0:46:55they're like a cheese geez cats they're
0:46:58not smart metal but you know my friend
0:47:01Mike Squires who is a terrible person
0:47:05he said that if he could have any
0:47:08superpower it would be to give it would
0:47:11be 22 telekinetically psionically give
0:47:16anyone explosive diarrhea talk about
0:47:20spooky action and it starts right
0:47:22because even if you're fighting captain
0:47:25america even if you're fighting Jean
0:47:26Grey if you give her explosive diarrhea
0:47:29all of a sudden she's got bigger
0:47:32problems she's got something else to
0:47:33think about you get I mean not across
0:47:35the universe here you get Superman super
0:47:37diarrhea
0:47:38yeah he's all of a sudden in his super
0:47:41drawers
0:47:42he's got a fucking problem he's gonna
0:47:45want to get out of there and go get
0:47:47cleaned up
0:47:48that's pretty good right cuz nobody's
0:47:49gonna want to fight you when they're all
0:47:52messy know so be very distracting
0:47:55yeah so Mike's thing was like explosive
0:47:57diarrhea defeats all other superheroes
0:48:00and bad guys because it's just like
0:48:03think about somebody who's so fucked up
0:48:06that they will continue to fight you
0:48:08after like it's awful it's an awful idea
0:48:12he's a terrible person but it's kind of
0:48:15fucking great
0:48:16that's a good i see I person I'm very
0:48:17attracted to what I will call the
0:48:19defensive skills nigga now let's get
0:48:22back to the meetings in a minute because
0:48:23actually an explanation kind of what
0:48:24you're asking about
0:48:25but like yeah I'll my favorite my
0:48:27favorite skills the defensive skills
0:48:28yeah right like no reporting teleporting
0:48:30is kind of a defensive skills the
0:48:31ability to create a portal that other
0:48:33people can jump through that's a
0:48:34fantastic skills wonderful kk t product
0:48:36kitty pryde one of my all-time favorite
0:48:38character she has the ability to
0:48:40basically phase through solid objects so
0:48:42she can do stuff there's a hostage
0:48:43situation she shows up she can start
0:48:45sneaking people out through the floor
0:48:46and stuff like that
0:48:47I love those kinds of skills so I mean
0:48:49like the banner like Marky characters
0:48:51are the people who can hook and pound on
0:48:53each other
0:48:54yeah but imagine if you could instill
0:48:56really crushing self-doubt alright in
0:49:01someone even temporarily think that the
0:49:04character's name would be mom Jewish mom
0:49:07like here comes Superman Mike Squires
0:49:10causes him to have explosive diarrhea
0:49:11and then I give him a momentary crushing
0:49:15self-doubt so he's just like him
0:49:17all fuck am I doing this right no I why
0:49:20do I even bother what am i what's my
0:49:22pope and he's just like I died exploding
0:49:24on another planet so you could live like
0:49:25this
0:49:26yeah he just sort of floats off like the
0:49:29brow furrowed yah pants soiled and boom
0:49:34who cares apiece as strong as as as
0:49:37kryptonite you know he can't a lot of
0:49:40strong people that don't have
0:49:41self-confidence you don't hear about
0:49:42them
0:49:43yeah precisely so so my superpower the
0:49:46one that I devised after after that the
0:49:51most awful Mike Squires put into my head
0:49:55that it wasn't necessary that you have
0:49:56like a strength some kind of like a pop
0:50:01OH
0:50:02if power yeah I that's when I started
0:50:06calling myself the oxidizer oh is this
0:50:09you want to be rust I wanted to be rust
0:50:11right business because although rust
0:50:15wouldn't work against Superman message
0:50:17sarily within because i'm thinking of
0:50:19clothes i'm thinking more of a mutant
0:50:21power rather than like a superpower but
0:50:24as a mutant on earth you could you could
0:50:30wreak a lot of havoc being able to just
0:50:32trust all metal that's a very
0:50:35destructive power
0:50:37yeah it is a because like once its
0:50:40rusted you salted the earth you can't
0:50:42really use it again but the thing is
0:50:43like it's it's just it's defensive and
0:50:45when you turn every car into a Fiat for
0:50:48just a short amount of time might kinda
0:50:50actually be into that because there's a
0:50:51lot of cool fiat right ok but like let's
0:50:53say the cops are like comin atcha you
0:50:56it's not like you're gonna kill the cops
0:50:57or even like magneto like take their
0:51:00guns away and because magneto it's not
0:51:02that he takes their guns away it's that
0:51:04he turns the guns on them right he's
0:51:07like he's a batty you can stop the
0:51:09bullets and turn around and all kinds of
0:51:11stuff
0:51:11yeah but what if you just rusted the
0:51:13guns my mom and then it's not that you
0:51:17haven't killed them you have no there
0:51:19are no threat to them
0:51:20you've just taken away their power
0:51:22you've taken away their human power I
0:51:25get it I get it right like and so it's a
0:51:28destructive power if it's misused but i
0:51:30think it would be a be a great I think
0:51:33you could be you could be an agent of
0:51:35peace
0:51:36Marlon because you would you go over to
0:51:38conflict areas and swords into rusty
0:51:41plowshares yeah exactly exactly you
0:51:43hammer swords into yeah right like when
0:51:46the great bluesman like general rusty
0:51:48plowshares and almost to plowshares who
0:51:50had the power of tetanus button tennis
0:51:54and slowly was blind blind at birth but
0:51:58yeah I think about that you could go
0:51:59over and there's big armies attack each
0:52:01other and you're just like rust and then
0:52:04what do they do you have to have to play
0:52:06soccer on christmas day we increasingly
0:52:08have fewer things made out of metal
0:52:10though I mean you've got things like you
0:52:12got to think about the armor that people
0:52:14wear isn't that kind of like a super
0:52:15plastic mmm yeah but i think that i
0:52:19think that the metal like here's your
0:52:22big titanium airplane right it'sit's
0:52:25yeah here's your stainless steel which
0:52:27mccollins right but then the call
0:52:30amp that's holding the wires that are
0:52:36that are part of the fly-by-wire system
0:52:40like the staple that ultimately holds it
0:52:43all together is still made out of steel
0:52:46and again I get it I get it
0:52:48and so you just you know you just take
0:52:50it apart like like all those ceramic
0:52:52guns that people are worried about
0:52:54getting through airports or whatever
0:52:56they're the barrel is still metal huh
0:52:59right it's there's a lot of ceramic in
0:53:02it but as far as I know there's no
0:53:06ceramic barrel and and then ultimately
0:53:10like they're on ceramic bullets right
0:53:14the casings are still metal you going to
0:53:16make it would suck to have a kind of
0:53:17power that like when they come up with
0:53:20in the 40 50 60 is incredibly powerful
0:53:23but then over time it just becomes less
0:53:25and less relevant like you have the the
0:53:26ability to disrupt 9600 baud modem for
0:53:29something higher the ability to cause
0:53:32all a hairpin mod suddenly gone and all
0:53:36all the Popular's fallen hero is the
0:53:39ability to blend just raised her right
0:53:43that would be terrible because you
0:53:46gradually I mean I feel a little bit
0:53:48like that a lot of my superpowers are
0:53:49becoming important more irrelevant the
0:53:52ability to tell a 54 les paul from a 56
0:53:55Les Paul isn't just nobody cares anymore
0:53:59don't seem like such a loser anymore
0:54:00this the ability to argue with someone
0:54:03for four hours about whether or not the
0:54:06long and winding road is a good song is
0:54:09not i mean although i was practicing
0:54:11that just yesterday but I feel like 20
0:54:14years from now it's gonna be a lot
0:54:16harder that's what side you're on
0:54:18on that long and winding road yeah uh
0:54:22I'm original list who so i do not like
0:54:25let it be naked
0:54:26I mean I like it as a document oh yeah
0:54:28sure interesting sort of like oh that's
0:54:30interesting sort of like all that
0:54:31beatles box set stuff that came out what
0:54:33you're saying this is the one that went
0:54:34up on the screen how do we feel about
0:54:36that right and I don't feel I do not at
0:54:40all believe the river
0:54:43the paul mccartney revisionism because
0:54:45AI do not believe McCartney revisionism
0:54:47just in general as a blanket because i
0:54:51do not trust Paul McCartney to not be
0:54:54working to try and preserve what he
0:54:58imagines he wants his legacy to be yeah
0:55:01right like Paul the whole like I was the
0:55:03first one to take LSD it's like mmm I
0:55:06don't know Paul maybe but seems weird
0:55:09that you're saying that now but all the
0:55:12polls whole business of we never wanted
0:55:16Phil Spector to to do all that just
0:55:20seems a little suspect like you sure you
0:55:23didn't
0:55:24are you sure I i buy that with XTC and
0:55:28Todd Rundgren because I get the feeling
0:55:30Todd Rundgren's had this record is like
0:55:32it's a pretty good record but like I can
0:55:34only make this way better i'm gonna go
0:55:35away for a little while I'm gonna do
0:55:36some stuff to it
0:55:37yeah now as it happens I have to be one
0:55:39of people who likes what he did to it
0:55:41and I think in the fullness of time even
0:55:42in Trapani Partridge kinda came around
0:55:44on skylarking and so you know actually
0:55:46did a really good job with that but the
0:55:48phil spector stuff the promise and I
0:55:50don't hate the long and winding road but
0:55:52i think it's a so I think it's somewhat
0:55:53slight a song i mean as the but the
0:55:57bones of the song are not that great
0:55:59it's a little grandma e as a John would
0:56:02say not a bad song is not a bad song but
0:56:05what you remember about that song
0:56:08probably is the phil spector part that's
0:56:11exactly right my mom pom-pom that's what
0:56:13people remember if I mean if you think
0:56:15about the lyrics like the law the wild
0:56:18and windy night that the rain washed
0:56:21away has left a pool of tears crying for
0:56:25the day that is terrible that then
0:56:29that's no and your bird can sing and
0:56:31write and not only is it terrible but
0:56:33it's the very beginning it's the
0:56:35foreshadowing of all of McCartney's
0:56:38garbage lyrics from the seventies
0:56:40yeah right and so here here it is this
0:56:43is the moment in the beatles where John
0:56:46is no longer contributing to Paul what
0:56:50you John is with the OCO somewhere he's
0:56:52in he's it he's having a bed in
0:56:56and he's strung out east he's yeah i
0:56:59mean i love it i feel i feel like this i
0:57:02have an albatross here which is I used
0:57:04to be one of those people that I know
0:57:05kind of you know roll my eyes but I
0:57:07didn't know the full facts about what
0:57:08John's life was like I thought he was
0:57:10mostly just being an asshole he was
0:57:12incredibly depressed he was what
0:57:14probably addicted to heroin and
0:57:15marijuana at that point he was but John
0:57:17was a very very troubled person what it
0:57:20i guess i consider myself a
0:57:21meteorologist which is silly because I
0:57:23never really knew the extent to which
0:57:25even by 1965-66 John was not happy
0:57:29person in the people's yeah but I think
0:57:30of as their creative zenith was almost
0:57:34that's an improbable fluke that they had
0:57:37two or three records as good as they did
0:57:38because jon was so checked out
0:57:41I mean he was depressed well he was
0:57:42depressed and I think when I think about
0:57:44that I think it is because jon was an
0:57:46anti-authoritarian and he was happiest
0:57:49when he was assailing the walls of the
0:57:51castle and then once he was inside the
0:57:53castle who could he hate right he was
0:57:57the top and everyone count out to him
0:58:02right think of the the the the bowing
0:58:05and scraping and groveling that most
0:58:07people did around John Lennon circus 66
0:58:1067 and so he could no longer be the anti
0:58:13mean he could give back his MBE or at
0:58:16the very least he always considered
0:58:17himself an underdog an outsider right
0:58:19underdog an outsider and all the sudden
0:58:21he was the consummate insider whereas
0:58:22Paul just what you know he just loved it
0:58:25was a performer
0:58:26he was a performer he was having a good
0:58:28time in 62 he was having a good time in
0:58:31yeah and I think that's Paul's greatest
0:58:32strength but John must have found Paul
0:58:36incredibly intolerable when John's role
0:58:40as the gadfly and the you know and thus
0:58:43not the sniper was was gone because we
0:58:47have Paul flourished in that world but
0:58:49heroin
0:58:51I think took him out of the game and
0:58:54also disinterest and so you know when
0:58:57Paul comes to you and says woke up to
0:59:01load up in to breakthrough because it
0:59:04like John could be like yeah but
0:59:08you know here we go right like he's
0:59:11going to give you the he's going to give
0:59:14you the that the ugly side the dark side
0:59:16whereas when you know he's sitting there
0:59:18kind of half nodding out and yoko is
0:59:20cleaning his ear with a fuckin toothpick
0:59:22and Paul's like the world would be noted
0:59:25that the rain washed away has left the
0:59:27pool of Tears going for the day and just
0:59:29like whatever man
0:59:30fine all right you know good good
0:59:33because Paul's like he recognizes at
0:59:35that point that he's he's trying to get
0:59:37with he's trying to get up to John's
0:59:39thing he's trying to appease John with
0:59:42using the word tears and crying you know
0:59:45he's like he's making it is trying to
0:59:48make it morose because Paul wants to
0:59:50fill every space so he's trying to he's
0:59:53trying to preempt John's criticism by
0:59:56saying like no no this isn't like a
0:59:58vaudeville song about how
0:59:58vaudeville song about how
1:00:00happy I am this is like now the wild and
1:00:02windy night it's like that's um George
1:00:04Harrison styles that you notice i sound
1:00:05sad I'm sad now so there's so you have
1:00:09no there's no criticism you can offer
1:00:11right you're not going to add anything
1:00:12to my satsang and John's like a you know
1:00:17and yoko's picking nits out of his hair
1:00:19throughout his beard and it's just like
1:00:21yeah it's all you know it's all going to
1:00:23shit here but within the beatles cannon
1:00:27i am not somebody I mean think about
1:00:31think about why don't we do it in the
1:00:35road which obviously is a great rock and
1:00:37roll song but a pretty weak effort as
1:00:42from a songwriters perspective he sees
1:00:44pandering not to the audience but to
1:00:46John because he knows that the one thing
1:00:49that will get John out of bed in the
1:00:51morning is rock and roll by the Blues
1:00:53dump dump dump dump doesn't just don't
1:00:56like a 12-bar blues song basically yeah
1:00:58i mean so he's he's you know Paul's
1:01:01trying every angle here to like not only
1:01:05to win back John but also to you know to
1:01:09fill to fill the space that John
1:01:11previously occupied and Paul that's not
1:01:15what that wasn't the best job for Paul
1:01:17right Paul's job was to was to make the
1:01:20killer the killer melodies and the kill
1:01:22he's you know he's killer right
1:01:24no but like many times I've been alone
1:01:31in many times I've cried anyway you'll
1:01:33never know the many ways i've tried
1:01:35that's good that's good because he
1:01:39writes great bridge a great bridge
1:01:41wasn't he slays the bridge meister top
1:01:43bridge meister alright if he could just
1:01:45if he was just like a script fixer for
1:01:49other bands just just like you bring
1:01:53your song Paul he writes the bridge you
1:01:56get out I mean he would pop music would
1:01:58be better but but
1:02:00so I don't subscribe I don't think Phil
1:02:03Spector should have gotten involved i
1:02:04think that that was some fashion that
1:02:06was some trendy pandering that was like
1:02:09having eric clapton play on my guitar
1:02:12gently weeps
1:02:13didn't belong there they shouldn't have
1:02:15done it but they were bored and they
1:02:18were you know and they they were bored
1:02:21and they were insecure right now but
1:02:23then they also say that i don't remember
1:02:24exactly when this happened when they
1:02:26added billy preston didn't that kind of
1:02:28liven things up he was such a positive
1:02:30presence of a great player such great
1:02:32team player but all such a positive
1:02:33presence on the scene that was a welcome
1:02:35distraction for a time
1:02:37yeah super fun guy and he's out there
1:02:38he's adding just brilliant shit all the
1:02:40time like and the thing about Billy
1:02:42Preston's they don't push him forward
1:02:43right he's not like Billy president's
1:02:45not putting a he's not Clapton on while
1:02:53your guitar gently weeps he's just he's
1:02:54just filling up the space and you could
1:02:56what he's playing the way it's mixed you
1:03:00could listen to it and not think what's
1:03:02this foreigner doing here right it could
1:03:04have been it could have been just a
1:03:06London studio guy could have been
1:03:08included in hordes Martin could have
1:03:11been george martin right but it's not
1:03:12it's a fight fun friend like that
1:03:15doesn't bother me but i think the
1:03:17combination of Dylan Dylan and 64 really
1:03:21i think really hurts
1:03:22yeah 66 really destabilize the beatles
1:03:25because he was so cool and he and and
1:03:29John wanted to be the kind of cool that
1:03:31Dylan was not the kind of cool that he
1:03:33was so that that inserted this you know
1:03:37this insecurity and then swing in london
1:03:41right swing in London of the late
1:03:43sixties where everybody was an artist
1:03:46and everybody was having fun and sexy
1:03:48times and the and Paul in particular but
1:03:52the beatles in general were out in the
1:03:54clubs they were they were trying to be
1:03:57part of the swing and seam and they
1:04:00really felt like they had to I think
1:04:03that's where the phil spector stuff
1:04:04comes from
1:04:05that's where the clapton stuff comes
1:04:07from there trying to like make it within
1:04:10this cool scene that probably on the
1:04:13street level when when Paul walked into
1:04:16a club there was a lot of like Oh Paul's
1:04:18here but there was probably also also
1:04:20from the cool kids a lot like oh
1:04:24Paul's here and Paul could feel that and
1:04:29he didn't like it
1:04:29right yeah and and then all of a sudden
1:04:32you've gotten the long and winding road
1:04:34through whereas when Kirko but when Tony
1:04:40lash mixed nevermind and two years later
1:04:48Kurt was totally disavowing it in the
1:04:52press I think at the time when they got
1:04:57those mixes back
1:04:58Kurt was like this is incredible this is
1:05:01this is so much better
1:05:03what gets lost in that is that he loves
1:05:05I mean it's so funny compete for
1:05:07watching the game check the raincoats
1:05:08alive and then you go use the raincoats
1:05:10and like oh my god this is at we banned
1:05:12mhm the thing is he had a huge pop
1:05:14sensibility he loved it he liked the
1:05:16meat puppets papi songs like he he love
1:05:18pop music like Carly am and how you
1:05:21could tease out what was happening not
1:05:23just obscuring it in layers that big
1:05:25muff but like being able to pull out
1:05:26like what this song wants to be
1:05:28yeah all the harmonies I mean he loved
1:05:30what Tony last to do not ever make that
1:05:32mistake but then two years later because
1:05:35every time Kurt Cobain walked into a
1:05:37room where he wanted to be cool right a
1:05:39Mudhoney house and there was that same
1:05:43thing like oh you know Curtis here and
1:05:45then also like huh
1:05:47Kurt's here God all of a sudden he's
1:05:52like oh I didn't like the sound of
1:05:53nevermind i wanted it to be
1:05:55roar and grittier and it's like no you
1:05:59didnt first of all and second of all
1:06:01those songs you could have made them
1:06:02sound as bad as as you wanted but they
1:06:05were fucking pop songs like there's
1:06:08nothing you know touch me I'm sick
1:06:10there's no way you can record that where
1:06:13it doesn't sound like it sounds you you
1:06:15could mix that anyway you wanted still
1:06:17can touch me I'm sick but like you know
1:06:21come as you are you can make that could
1:06:24have made that dirty here even even in
1:06:27bloom in terms of like theme and
1:06:31execution like it's it's kind of like a
1:06:34course is just look at three chord pop
1:06:37song
1:06:37yeah there's some sugar on everything he
1:06:39did and it just it disgusted me at the
1:06:42time right because I was right in the
1:06:44thick of all that who was like what you
1:06:46doing asshole don't disavow that shit
1:06:49don't try and pander to those fucking
1:06:51scumbags that a limpiar bullshit like
1:06:55that's the worst thing that's the worst
1:06:57part of this whole culture I'm some
1:06:59standing knee-deep in this culture and I
1:07:01know that's the worst part of it that
1:07:03whole Oh Kurtz here like fuck you and
1:07:08but that was the that was the voice in
1:07:10his head that was his Dylan in 66 you
1:07:13know Dylan made those guys wait think
1:07:16they came to the royal albert hall and
1:07:18you know and somebody came back in there
1:07:20like the Beatles are here and he's like
1:07:22Oh are they
1:07:23that's like park yeah they are
1:07:27the beatles are here like put your
1:07:30teacup down and fucking talk to him at
1:07:34least give me a break
1:07:37it was like oh hmm you know maybe all
1:07:40they can really they can come back here
1:07:42in a minute after I you know after i
1:07:45type up some more nonsense and I'm babe
1:07:49huge Dylan fans
1:07:51I'm not shitting on Dylan I'm just
1:07:53shitting on his attitude
1:07:54yeah yeah fuckin attitude
1:07:57yeah that was his brand I was so mad
1:07:59occurred cocaine
1:08:00Marilyn I think I've expressed it
1:08:02because well but I mean you know me the
1:08:06money morning cobain here but part of
1:08:08that also is like he got way more famous
1:08:09than he wanted to be I don't even know
1:08:12about that really well I think he wanted
1:08:15to be that famous i think it was part of
1:08:17trying to reject me in rejecting same
1:08:19for the appearance of wanting fame which
1:08:21is just an anthem on the Pacific
1:08:22Northwest you like don't you think even
1:08:24part of needing to appeal he's rejecting
1:08:26Fame it's useful to also then reject the
1:08:28thing that you all liked him for being
1:08:30famous for
1:08:30yeah yeah butBut and that's exactly
1:08:32right he he what he really wanted to
1:08:35appear to reject fame but he was so
1:08:38caught up in the culture that he
1:08:40couldn't separate wanting to appear to
1:08:42reject fame from actually internalizing
1:08:45it and and and rejecting things like I i
1:08:47think in 1990-91
1:08:50early 91 i read several interviews with
1:08:53him where he was like we're gonna be the
1:08:55biggest band in the world and he was
1:08:57being ironic and he was being sarcastic
1:08:58because he never thought it would happen
1:09:00and he was you know he was yanking
1:09:03everybody's chain like we're gonna be
1:09:04the biggest in the world
1:09:05fuck you and then he was the biggest
1:09:08band in the world and all of a sudden
1:09:11it's like well did you did you want to
1:09:14be and what pissed me off was that he
1:09:17was and he could have used that power
1:09:19and he could have used that money and he
1:09:21could have used all that attention to
1:09:24accomplish the things that he wanted to
1:09:26do you know and and he could've made the
1:09:29world a better place I was watching him
1:09:31closely because I wanted we all we all I
1:09:37mean it
1:09:37george herbert walker bush was the
1:09:39president like we were ready to flip it
1:09:44and it and it was the moment where you
1:09:46know where our generation came online
1:09:47and was like yes we're here and look
1:09:50what we can do and then it was like oh
1:09:52yeah what we can do is you know sit in a
1:09:54thrift store chair and barf on ourselves
1:09:56and then die and well that's a little
1:10:00bit anti-climactic dinner instead of
1:10:04interest or chair in a loser t-shirt
1:10:07barf on ourselves from heroin sickness
1:10:10and then died I was like oh well alright
1:10:13i guess that wasn't my role model after
1:10:15all and for me that meant you know
1:10:19spending five more years sitting in a
1:10:21godfather's pizza eating garbanzo beans
1:10:25because nobody would miss them and
1:10:27wondering what the fuck did you look
1:10:32what he did he write it's just like I'm
1:10:34sitting there stealing garbanzos from a
1:10:35salad bar and thinking nobody else was
1:10:40counting that nobody's counting
1:10:41garbanzos nobody uses those and uh and
1:10:44now Clinton's president and nobody in
1:10:48the culture really has anything to say
1:10:50about it and and kmart is selling grunge
1:10:54hats and it just all went to shit and
1:10:58that and now we have stained you know it
1:11:01just was like boom boom boom boom boom
1:11:03and I
1:11:04I just I put it all back on kurt's lap
1:11:06and you know whatever
1:11:09Courtney wasn't even picking nits out of
1:11:10his beard you know what they make
1:11:14garbanzo beans into the sebaceous cyst
1:11:18plus right this bus and a little bit of
1:11:21garlic
1:11:22it's good stuff i do that do you do this
1:11:24where you go by you're at the grocery
1:11:26store and you're like you know what I
1:11:28want to be the kind of person that hates
1:11:30hummus i got on haha aspirational
1:11:34shopping it's aspirational Highness
1:11:36right i want to be somebody that's got
1:11:38hummus in the fridge i want to be
1:11:39somebody when he's looking for a snack
1:11:41get some hummus any butt wipes it on
1:11:44something
1:11:45yeah Thomas wipe on son yeah I bahamas
1:11:49and it's in the fridge for six months
1:11:51well you do because I mean it's a good
1:11:54aspiration it's a good aspiration but I
1:11:55like for example like for me a better
1:11:57one with those would be like mixed nuts
1:11:59and here's why because you pop the top
1:12:01off the mixed nuts and eat them just as
1:12:04a thing
1:12:05Thomas doesn't tell you this on this on
1:12:07the shelf but Thomas once other things
1:12:09yeah come on government and what is how
1:12:11much mostly want bread
1:12:14oh it was a pita bread yeah which should
1:12:16need a lot of time trying to avoid that
1:12:17but you could also have carrots carrots
1:12:20see that's what i want i want to pick
1:12:22aaron thomas because if I'm at a party
1:12:24let's say I'm at a party and there and
1:12:26there's no antipasto Trey who is just
1:12:30too but it's like they got the vegetable
1:12:32platter of the crudite I'll sit and dip
1:12:35mini carried into humus all day
1:12:38yeah happy as can be but if I'm always
1:12:41by open my fridge and it's like you know
1:12:44there's so many carats alright there's
1:12:46no mames alright and it just sits there
1:12:47so I'm still fucking here did
1:12:49yes I'm not going anywhere it's not a
1:12:51bottle you bought me asshole
1:12:53that's right you bought me and then you
1:12:54know after like three weeks like is that
1:12:56even still good many carriers are
1:12:59starting a little dried out
1:13:00we did an example of that see my wife
1:13:02wants us to live she tries that you know
1:13:05have nice things in the house for us to
1:13:07eat that are you know the comfort good
1:13:09point but they can be kind of
1:13:10aspirational one of the primary
1:13:12disconnects that my wife sometimes buys
1:13:14things even though I tend to do the more
1:13:16than fifty percent mother
1:13:17amount of the cooking yeah so like but
1:13:19like here's that thing that happens is
1:13:21my daughter goes out to the garden at
1:13:22school tears off a postage stamp size
1:13:25thing of kale and eats it and says i
1:13:27love kale
1:13:28really yeah yeah and she did in that
1:13:30moment because it's fun to tear off a
1:13:32postage stamp Michaela needed and that's
1:13:34probably much kills most people want so
1:13:36but then we get kale and independently
1:13:38my wife and I both get kale and now we
1:13:40have two giant refrigerator filling bags
1:13:43of kale sitting there saying that's
1:13:45right asshole you bought me and you and
1:13:47my brother here to the kale brothers
1:13:49right then they're just they're just
1:13:50staring at us and like there's not that
1:13:52many nights were like I you know when i
1:13:54start to cook is when I'm hungry I don't
1:13:55I i sometimes when i'm doing sous-vide
1:13:57stuff I gotta think ahead but when it
1:13:59comes down to like 515 and time to make
1:14:01dinner you know pretty much the last
1:14:03thing on my mind is kale kale is is
1:14:06maybe a third it comes in third you
1:14:08gotta you gotta get a you got a protein
1:14:11far away the number one focus heavily on
1:14:14breaking their necks want to make just a
1:14:15protein and then i'll cut up some did
1:14:18you know some demonstration cucumbers
1:14:19just going to say I get my canned
1:14:21vegetables right but she got you got the
1:14:23primary protein then you get the second
1:14:25thing which is often a start you think
1:14:26it could be a rice it could be a noodle
1:14:28yep rice or noodle and those are those
1:14:31that that's the main part of the meal
1:14:32for my daughter because she's a child
1:14:34she'll chili all the noodles chili ramen
1:14:36chili egg noodles chili pasta whatever
1:14:38she's all about the noodles and then you
1:14:41know I got to be honest with you like it
1:14:42before
1:14:43if it's getting to be 545 and I might
1:14:46leave off the scale
1:14:47right right well yes I I you have a
1:14:54juicer though
1:14:55yeah we have a juicer but it's a whole
1:14:57thing you got to take it out you have to
1:15:00interact with it you know yeah i'm a
1:15:03range topman I do a lot of things with
1:15:04the range and the microwave but you've
1:15:07got gas you got gas yeah yeah and I
1:15:09don't know it
1:15:10my house is plumbed for gas but i have a
1:15:12have one of those
1:15:13cooktops that's like a black glass top
1:15:16that just makes me I don't know what it
1:15:19makes me want to do makes me want to
1:15:20break it with a hammer
1:15:21yeah that's one of those decisions were
1:15:23even if it does produce the same BTUs it
1:15:25feels like a design based decision
1:15:26rather a functional decision pursue
1:15:28small we wanted this to look pretty we
1:15:30didn't have the school
1:15:31oils like our parents yeah I wanted I
1:15:33don't want to look pretty i wanted to
1:15:34look functional and cool yeah uh
1:15:36incidentally I need to go back and i'm
1:15:38sure i've already gotten 40 tweets about
1:15:40this but it was not Tony lash who mixed
1:15:45never much big know butch big produced
1:15:48it hood andy wallace oh who mixed it
1:15:51andy wallace famous for having mixed the
1:15:56Slayer records are produced the Slayer
1:15:58record is that right yeah so they picked
1:16:00andy wallace because layer was heavy and
1:16:03cool and they wanted to sound like
1:16:05Slayer which again feels like an ironic
1:16:08somewhat ironic choice like yeah let's
1:16:11get this layer guy and then he made it
1:16:14like cool like weird sounding a little
1:16:18bit you know new wave and according to
1:16:23wikipedia which is never wrong
1:16:24both Wallace and big noted years later
1:16:28that upon hearing Wallace's work the
1:16:29band loved the mixes after the album's
1:16:33release however members of Nirvana
1:16:35expressed dissatisfaction with the
1:16:37Polish sound the mixer had given
1:16:39nevermind nerve cobain said income as
1:16:44you are the definitive rock book by my
1:16:48pal said looking back on the production
1:16:52of never moment who that is who comes to
1:16:56our author you make me look this up
1:16:59aren't you
1:16:59her about it
1:17:02only the Gonski husky Emily makowsky I'm
1:17:08trying to figure out who will come as
1:17:09you are
1:17:10wait a minute now I'm now I'm googling I
1:17:18don't even know what I'm another look
1:17:21about so that way about sex
1:17:24uh-oh up e a new bomb little i'm so
1:17:30sorry i derail this to bow away as they
1:17:33mentioned in the book
1:17:35oh uh right uh let me go back here butch
1:17:40vig oh no Michael as a rad
1:17:42oh that guy from others that could be
1:17:44your life
1:17:44yeah right that's great and he's like a
1:17:47super nice guy too and he runs now the
1:17:52talkhouse website where i have written
1:17:55several article that's him huh guys
1:17:59really enjoyed that book
1:18:00yeah and he's a smart very smart guy and
1:18:02a very very committed music dancing
1:18:04anyway music
1:18:05mhm within within his book come as you
1:18:08are
1:18:09Kurt says the following looking back I'm
1:18:12gonna do my Kurt boys okay looking back
1:18:14on the production of nevermind i'm
1:18:16embarrassed by now it's closer to a
1:18:19Motley Crue records that it is a punk
1:18:21rock record what an asshole a asshole
1:18:30thing to say
1:18:31be it was never a punk rock record you
1:18:33ding-a-ling and see what an asshole
1:18:36thing to say like like okay well want to
1:18:39go make a record with steve albini while
1:18:41he actively scorns you through the
1:18:45entire production my sense of being in
1:18:47that studio was without being like yeah
1:18:51that's that was pretty good i mean
1:18:53finally I think he seems like a pretty
1:18:55straight-up guy to work with
1:18:56well yeah but albini went on record
1:18:58saying he thought that Nirvana was like
1:19:02a middling the punk band like up kind of
1:19:06a middling mid talent band and it wasn't
1:19:09that impressed with them
1:19:10Wow and it's like well if you're going
1:19:12to say that after having made a record
1:19:13with them
1:19:14I can only imagine what you were like
1:19:16day to day he's walked a lot of stuff
1:19:20back in recent years he seems like he's
1:19:22mellowed a lot and I'm not trying to
1:19:25apologize for him but there's a lot he
1:19:26said some very controversial things in
1:19:28the capacities kind of walk back because
1:19:30I think I realized he was being kind of
1:19:31a dick
1:19:32well yeah I mean here pinky I think we
1:19:33don't think of albini as being young
1:19:35because he seems like prematurely old
1:19:40and wise to us right but yeah he was not
1:19:43he was not that old
1:19:45here the the the tracks is recorded kind
1:19:49of as a lark but me and cheap trick
1:19:51we're doing a record and then they ended
1:19:53up recording a bunch of tracks from in
1:19:56color
1:19:57re-recording them with
1:19:58him really yeah it's really good i mean
1:20:01you know everybody listens to that
1:20:02question color is famously like this
1:20:04very thin sounding album
1:20:06yeah um with some great songs on it like
1:20:08everybody be many people would be
1:20:10surprised you the original version i
1:20:11want you to want me because it's pretty
1:20:13thin but that was kind of style you know
1:20:15the thing is now course they to run that
1:20:18for 20 years and then they record this
1:20:20thing without being in 1998 and it's got
1:20:22barely any overdose it's very basic
1:20:24sounds fucking great
1:20:25yeah well and he's like no overdubs
1:20:27thing totally a like I get it right that
1:20:31was the the Seattle band that i had in
1:20:34the mid-nineties the drummer a a friend
1:20:39of mine named Lewis and he's a wonderful
1:20:42guy but he was he he said to me very
1:20:46early on in the in the time that we were
1:20:48playing together he was like listen
1:20:49reverb shit don't use reverb on anything
1:20:52it's garbage
1:20:54I was like really I mean it's a knob on
1:20:57my amp says reverb why would night
1:21:00why would I turn it kinda like had
1:21:02turned the mids like I don't know what
1:21:03the midnight does either but why
1:21:05wouldn't i use the reverb not but he's
1:21:06like reverb garbage and he was coming
1:21:09out of that school of like gated snares
1:21:12are garbage
1:21:13it's like well gated snares are just an
1:21:15effect there an effect like chorus there
1:21:17an effect like anything and reverb is
1:21:20just an aspect you can put it on or not
1:21:22put it on you can use it as a tool it's
1:21:25just a musical sounding thing right but
1:21:28this all these all these prohibitions on
1:21:30what you couldn't couldn't do in order
1:21:32to make music that like sounded whatever
1:21:34it's like park so and I was in I was
1:21:37influenced by this so I'm walking around
1:21:3945 years going on reverb is bad i didn't
1:21:43believe it but I also didn't know how to
1:21:46counter it and and what it turned out
1:21:50was I liked reverb and I didn't have
1:21:52enough i didn't have enough knowledge
1:21:54self-knowledge because i wasn't a record
1:21:56listener i was I didn't stay
1:21:58contemporary I was just sort of when I
1:22:02was you know I was I was susceptible
1:22:05right but
1:22:09I mean albini was 30 years old when he
1:22:14made in you and yeah i mean i remember
1:22:2030 years old I probably still would have
1:22:22said the reverb looks or whatever you
1:22:26know like I would have I wouldn't have
1:22:28known better and he probably knew a lot
1:22:31better than me but he would do stuff
1:22:33with the room
1:22:34it wasn't yeah into Mike's around he did
1:22:36it like old-fashioned style but but you
1:22:39know there's a difference between doing
1:22:40the thing strictly because it sounds
1:22:43good and doing it slightly motivated by
1:22:46because it's slightly motivated by the
1:22:50feeling that if you say you did it this
1:22:52way that sounds good
1:22:54you know what I mean like if you move
1:22:56the mics and it sounds better to you yes
1:22:58if you put the mic in a coffee can it
1:23:00sounds better to you yes but if you put
1:23:02the mic in the copy can sort of kind of
1:23:05thinking about how that's going to read
1:23:06in an interview after you do it
1:23:08oh yeah we put the bikes in a coffee can
1:23:10yeah that changes things and I was never
1:23:13a hundred percent able to it it seemed
1:23:17to me a lot of that stuff was in order
1:23:21to say that you didn't do any / times
1:23:24more than because overdubs didn't sound
1:23:26good
1:23:27which is not it's a little bit soft work
1:23:29it's a little bit ignorant is too strong
1:23:32a word when you make blanket statements
1:23:34about anything like that anymore it's
1:23:37the same kind of people who say like oh
1:23:38you know cgi is ruining movies which is
1:23:41like a common thing people say which is
1:23:42such a silly statement such an ignorant
1:23:44statement because it indicates a little
1:23:46understanding of like how movies are
1:23:48actually made and you know it's like a
1:23:50ghost and Syracuse of the day like it's
1:23:52almost like people saying salt is
1:23:53ruining food assault ruins food if you
1:23:55use it too much and it's all you can
1:23:57taste like salt actually does a lot of
1:23:59good stuff and I'm a chorus chorus that
1:24:01you barely even notice reverb that has a
1:24:03certain effect in this one part that can
1:24:05be extremely effective you won't do and
1:24:08just reject it out of hand
1:24:09well and also i mean think about think
1:24:12about band of horses and what they what
1:24:15they do with reverb right it's a it's
1:24:17absolutely crucial to their sound
1:24:20and it enables you to sing like ah and
1:24:26it sounds big right it's like we think
1:24:29about reverb as something that India
1:24:32uses and at first of all any is great
1:24:35sounding if you think about what i think
1:24:37and you did the music to the gladiator
1:24:41any is fascinating i just read a very
1:24:44long article about area
1:24:46what did you do any did a music did a
1:24:49song that got used by CNN after 911 and
1:24:54she got you know I residuals whatever
1:24:58you call it like you have to eat for you
1:24:59for every time they would go to their
1:25:01let's talk about 911 to play this little
1:25:03bit from an ending song and she she's
1:25:05making money like a doorknob in a wet
1:25:07sweater and now she lives in a castle in
1:25:08there with cats and doesn't talk to
1:25:09people doesn't talk to be right
1:25:11fascinating what a way to go with it be
1:25:12great when it's great to be able to be
1:25:14great to just go live in a castle with
1:25:15some cats wealthy we've talked about
1:25:16this before right I always wanted to
1:25:18live in a castle with cats until I moved
1:25:20out to rainier beach and I realized oh
1:25:22shit i just kind of want to sit in a
1:25:24cafe and be around people i don't want
1:25:26to talk to them but I don't want to not
1:25:28be around them and if i lived in a
1:25:30castle in Northern Ireland and never saw
1:25:32anybody i think i would go bananas which
1:25:35i think is what yeah well I mean like
1:25:36you know you like my friend in college
1:25:38used to say you are your options so I'm
1:25:40just saying if one of your options is a
1:25:42cast for cats
1:25:43that's a nice nice nice thing to have in
1:25:45your utility belt see that's very dope
1:25:47doesn't want that to be it wouldn't want
1:25:49that to be my only residence if I get
1:25:50great reverb in there too well so here's
1:25:52albini in 2011 albini says I can't
1:25:58really Express how much my admiration
1:25:59for nirvana grew during the course of
1:26:02making that record in utero in utero
1:26:05this 2011 I was familiar with them but I
1:26:08wouldn't have considered myself an prior
1:26:10to working on that record but during
1:26:12that making of that record i genuinely
1:26:14came to respect them as artists now this
1:26:16is the type of quote that people will
1:26:17send me to refute my contention like low
1:26:22know he came to respect them that's what
1:26:23he says well that's what he says in 2011
1:26:26but i remember in nineteen ninety three
1:26:28or four
1:26:29reading him say I was familiar with them
1:26:32but I wouldn't have considered myself an
1:26:34and then following up that statement
1:26:37with and i found that they were a pretty
1:26:39mediocre punk band in the course of
1:26:42recording them and you know and I'm i
1:26:44understand revisionism I know what
1:26:47happens all the time I got into fucking
1:26:50big flame war on the internet with 45
1:26:52people that I ended up blocking when i
1:26:54was talking about Tom Petty the look on
1:26:57Tom Petty space when Prince stole the
1:26:59show at the at the rock and roll hall of
1:27:02fame induction of george harrison there
1:27:06are a lot of people that were forwarding
1:27:08me an article written just recently
1:27:10where they interviewed tom petty and he
1:27:12was like oh I was so psyched I was so
1:27:15amazed at prince and I was so psyched
1:27:17and and he looked over at me and I was
1:27:19like go man go
1:27:21it's awesome I think there's a couple
1:27:23ways you can read that face that's one
1:27:25of them
1:27:25well I don't think you can read it that
1:27:27way but but ok you thought it was more
1:27:30like okay Tiger dilated huh well not
1:27:33even that I thought it was like night
1:27:35you know like way to step on my way to
1:27:37step on this awesome celebration of my
1:27:41friend George Harrison with your ego
1:27:45solo
1:27:47yeah that's what I like his compulsive
1:27:48one-upsmanship well and also like Prince
1:27:51I mean I had a lot of people have
1:27:53responded to me and in this but oh I
1:27:58think a very interesting comment and you
1:28:01know and were in that stage of lionizing
1:28:04Prince this is the wrong month to open a
1:28:08critical critical appraisal of threats
1:28:11right but you know one of the things
1:28:13about prince was he wasn't above showing
1:28:17off in a way that wasn't necessarily
1:28:20like musically brilliant not you know he
1:28:24was capable of sitting down and playing
1:28:25fuckin brilliant stuff but when he was
1:28:29on stage he he understood that his job
1:28:32was to show off and two wasn't really
1:28:35alone especially as he got more and more
1:28:37kind of isolated or choosing to not be
1:28:40out much like it was always an
1:28:42opportunity for him
1:28:43drew seemingly as fans the way we read
1:28:44that is it was always an opportunity to
1:28:46remind us that the kids still still got
1:28:48it
1:28:48yeah right and so his solo is thrilling
1:28:52it's increase incredible but it's not i
1:28:55mean he he pulls out every little windy
1:28:58with you know he's like doing stuff
1:29:00that's kind of corny almost and the guys
1:29:05on stage are going to recognize that to
1:29:08write those guys are no dummies
1:29:09everybody on that stage knows that when
1:29:12Prince goes well we will its he showing
1:29:17off right so anyway be sure you want to
1:29:19pursue this any way I I saw that look on
1:29:22Tom Petty space and it could I it could
1:29:24have been clearer to me but you know it
1:29:28his a his response
1:29:32several years later ten years later when
1:29:34somebody interviews in is oh yeah we
1:29:37totally loved it and it was amazing and
1:29:39if you watch that he claims in that
1:29:42interview that he had three or four
1:29:44interactions with Prince during that
1:29:46solo where prince came over and they
1:29:48were looking at each other and he was
1:29:49like keep it going man keep it going and
1:29:52you don't see any of that in the footage
1:29:55and you know set that another person
1:29:57commented to me that how convenient that
1:29:59all these all these six that you know
1:30:02these moments where petty was you know
1:30:04going do it do it man
1:30:06I didn't make it into the final cut and
1:30:10of course there were cameras on
1:30:11everybody at that show and you know if
1:30:13you were directing that film that if Tom
1:30:17Petty was saying to Prince keep it going
1:30:20man that that would have been assumed in
1:30:24on that that's not a thing that you
1:30:25would have said well we could look at
1:30:27that or we could spend that 2 seconds
1:30:30zooming in on the keyboard player so
1:30:35that kind of revisionism i understand it
1:30:39100% nobody wants to say yeah I used to
1:30:44shit talk Nirvana a lot and now my
1:30:47opinion has changed me that the impulses
1:30:52to say oh no I really came to respect
1:30:54them over the course of that record well
1:30:56no you really came to respect them over
1:30:57the course of ten years of thinking
1:30:59about that record I don't know it's you
1:31:02don't get very far in in in my world
1:31:05shit-talking nirvana
1:31:06I'm sorry should talk to steve albini
1:31:07and that's not what I'm doing
1:31:10yeah i'm just making an observation one
1:31:14of the things I've never understood and
1:31:16this is such a can of worms at this
1:31:18stage of the podcast yeah yeah but i
1:31:21I've never understood in Mike I huh you
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1:34:33yeah thnkx us know where I love this
1:34:41song i love the song overkill by men at
1:34:44work
1:34:44I've always loved it even at the time it
1:34:47was one of the songs I felt like I don't
1:34:49exactly know what this is about but it
1:34:51seems important and remember even
1:34:53thinking this song is kind of a cut
1:34:54above the typical like new wave hit and
1:34:57I mean I'm always drawn to listen Colin
1:35:00Hay performances like Colin ages playing
1:35:02that solo still doing it still sounds
1:35:04fucking great i think that the amazing
1:35:06thing about them is how dark they were
1:35:11at in in all of the tunes other than the
1:35:17super hits and even kind of in the super
1:35:19super hits still have it like a
1:35:21even a dark sense of humor or something
1:35:24a little bit like whom these guys are
1:35:26quite right right there something you
1:35:29know they're goofin and a way not
1:35:33they're not goofin like they might be
1:35:34giants that they have like kind of like
1:35:36almost like this is gonna sound weird
1:35:37but like a who circuit 1967 you have
1:35:42like oh this could be about diddling
1:35:44kind of feeling like yeah right it could
1:35:45be fucked up here super fucked up and
1:35:48and I in the ice mentioned they might be
1:35:50giants in the sense that their songs are
1:35:52really dark if you a lot of them if you
1:35:54dig into yeah it flows into the lyrics
1:35:57to be listened to the lyrics and think
1:35:58about it even for a second but like a
1:36:01you know be good Johnny you know they're
1:36:06it's not just it's not an overkill right
1:36:09yeah it's a mistake like those tunes if
1:36:12you really dig into him even sonically
1:36:15their dark you know they're weird the
1:36:18lot of weird minor chords and and
1:36:21strange sort of sonic constructions that
1:36:24that even at the time when when there
1:36:27was a lot of stuff on the radio like men
1:36:29without hats like men at work versus men
1:36:33without hats there's nothing I couldn't
1:36:36dig into anything deeper on men without
1:36:38hats than safety dance
1:36:40yeah this is terrific song but it's kind
1:36:42of a novelty song yeah whereas men at
1:36:44work I felt like there was there was
1:36:47that there was a reason in a way and
1:36:49this is another can of worms in a way
1:36:51like dire straits there was a lot of
1:36:55deep dive on dire straits got going to
1:36:58criticize them now my god I couldn't you
1:37:00know like the man's too big demands too
1:37:02strong i listen that's one of those
1:37:04songs i listen to 40 times in a row
1:37:07because it was just still it was
1:37:09imparting so much to me but like dire
1:37:11straits up
1:37:12I don't understand a single criticism of
1:37:15them maybe a little bit like we know
1:37:20they're there just socialize with me
1:37:23there hit record like so many of the hit
1:37:25records at that time does sound a little
1:37:27dated but you know how can you blame
1:37:30that on anybody
1:37:31whereas something like even like there's
1:37:34their second
1:37:35record like still I mean they sound like
1:37:37maybe like a record from the eighties
1:37:38but I think Sultans of Swing has a
1:37:40timelessness to it
1:37:42well not just that but like okay you
1:37:43take money for nothing out
1:37:45let's just say money for nothing is just
1:37:47out it's just we're not even gonna talk
1:37:49about it but like brothers-in-arms the
1:37:52tune yeah i mean i'm looking here there
1:37:55is some there is some weird production
1:37:57on that like the sound of rain falling
1:37:59that you're a little bit like really
1:38:00thunder and lightning on it ok but i'll
1:38:03let you know that's a little bit Bob
1:38:04Seger but yes but the tune itself
1:38:07incredible and I think of so far away
1:38:12let's get some I mean there's even in
1:38:16you know like industrial disease is a
1:38:17little bit sort of proto money for
1:38:20nothing but Romeo and Juliet that's a
1:38:23terrific Siamese that's what i'm
1:38:24thinking of like or that skate away song
1:38:27well that's romeo and juliet right uh I
1:38:30I just you know what's funny is like I
1:38:31remember I new songs a swing from when
1:38:33he came out but then dire straits for
1:38:36one of those bands Oh No skate away is
1:38:38the name yeah well but it was one of
1:38:39those are it was one of those going back
1:38:43a little doll that alchemy live record
1:38:44was so good but it was you know one of
1:38:46those bands where they would have these
1:38:47videos these weird videos on MTV that
1:38:50were not like other videos you know I
1:38:53mean they were just they were more like
1:38:54it's not be colic but they were like
1:38:56sort of they're not just weird like
1:38:58little like tone poems or something
1:38:59yeah i mean so so they're goofball songs
1:39:03twisting by the pool money for nothing
1:39:09and i don't know like calling elvis or I
1:39:15mean they had some they had some tunes
1:39:17that were a little herp derp but but
1:39:23they had so many so many good tunes and
1:39:26i think that i think that the fact that
1:39:28Marv not mark knopfler is friends with
1:39:30both eric clapton steam is one of the
1:39:33reasons that it's hard it's hard for
1:39:35people to casually appraise them it's
1:39:39like in a a he wore a headband be he was
1:39:42friends with sting
1:39:43normally that would be all you have
1:39:45that's as deep as you have to go right
1:39:46that's two strikes two strikes and
1:39:49you're out
1:39:49headbands people won't remember that
1:39:51even by this time staying with seeming
1:39:53pretty insufferable really bad during
1:39:56the synchronicity era was the outfits
1:40:01that he would wear and and i will be
1:40:03interviews the interviews with him it's
1:40:05like with his stunt classes in yoga talk
1:40:07i would never criticize that album
1:40:11because 10 rated so overrated
1:40:17wow that's that's tough talk
1:40:19synchronicity to it's a good song but I
1:40:22mean it'sit's know like ghosts in the
1:40:25machine
1:40:26ok alright i agree with that and you're
1:40:27not in the Machine and was it not send
1:40:29Adam and daughter was the other one
1:40:30because the machine was the one right
1:40:32before it
1:40:33ya gotta Madonna holy shit those two
1:40:36albums i mean because the machine was
1:40:38like wow you here's an add-on like all
1:40:40my god what more could they do and it
1:40:41goes the Machine oh my god so good
1:40:44well and this is I mean if you think
1:40:46about the first 14 REM records
1:40:50yeah the first for you to records
1:40:53yeah i mean all those early police
1:40:55records its yeah a lot of good stuff
1:40:58there and then it all went to shit in
1:41:00all three cases so anyway Colin k is a
1:41:07great singer walking in your footsteps
1:41:10come on synchronicity to king of pain
1:41:13even if you hate wrapped around your
1:41:17finger it's still good to ya yes every
1:41:19breath you take look I'll come on you're
1:41:22killing me every breath you take is like
1:41:24you choose one if it was if anybody else
1:41:29any other band did that Thun you would
1:41:32think even as a one-hit wonder
1:41:34but like if a even if dire straits had
1:41:39done every breath you take but like if
1:41:40every breath you take had been done by
1:41:43donovan even I mean it would be like the
1:41:45best song in their cattle 3255 titles
1:41:48three to five titles you ready for this
1:41:50but number one spirits in the material
1:41:52world number to every little thing she
1:41:55does is magic in
1:41:57number three invisible son member for
1:42:00hungry for you number 5 Demolition Man
1:42:02yeah ride one
1:42:04alright that's a tough that stuff back
1:42:05to follow I mean that's that's that's up
1:42:08there with like master of puppets for
1:42:09like an amazing side one
1:42:11yeah yeah oh my god you gotta make a man
1:42:14oh man even they're throwaways they're
1:42:16so fun and admittedly tea in the Sahara
1:42:20is that another and e1 no tienes sara is
1:42:24sting doing his sheltering sky song like
1:42:29he read the sheltering sky and he wrote
1:42:34a song about it and it's so awful
1:42:40because it's like well it's like his
1:42:42song about Lolita uh-huh right like
1:42:45don't don't read a book and then I mean
1:42:51because you just feel like he's not come
1:42:53memories not like it's not a tribute to
1:42:55it as much as it is an a cooperation of
1:42:57it
1:42:58okay here's the thing is i remember
1:42:59reading an interview with him in
1:43:02probably like maybe guitar player knows
1:43:04it was through some major music
1:43:05magazines around the time the dream of
1:43:06the turtles or whatever you dream about
1:43:08it and then like to talk about the
1:43:09interview instincts sitting there and
1:43:11his bare feet like with his yoga outfit
1:43:13on and he's he's got a yellow legal pad
1:43:15and a rhyming dictionary and put some
1:43:18reason and I was like you know what like
1:43:20that's why that's so awkward because
1:43:22here's the situation i want to write a
1:43:24service went away on a week's vacation
1:43:25yeah parents say nothing but trouble but
1:43:30but but so you know this thing is
1:43:32sitting there going like there's i want
1:43:33to mention that i've read this book
1:43:36yeah yeah yeah you know but I can't just
1:43:39I you know I don't want to just mention
1:43:40it like it has to be a little more slide
1:43:42in that so just mentioned the hop
1:43:44author's name but here's the problem
1:43:45his name is kinda hard to run haha she
1:43:51starts to shake and cough yeah just like
1:43:55the old man in that book by now but god
1:44:01it's still still pretty great you just
1:44:05what you want to kick him in the shin
1:44:06but also like it was that video go watch
1:44:08that video and tell me you don't want to
1:44:10be in that
1:44:10man if that was the only if that was his
1:44:12only crime yes you get you just say like
1:44:15awesome right yeah it's one of those
1:44:17crimes where it's like that was awesome
1:44:19and then reflecting back on his later
1:44:22crimes you go oh that was just a
1:44:25harbinger like you would not i mean it
1:44:28was trouble for a long time when Elvis
1:44:30Costello got this beef for being a
1:44:32racist where he had used eight the wrong
1:44:38word used the N word to describe rate
1:44:41rustles and also called him blind and
1:44:43ignorant
1:44:44now that was the story that went around
1:44:46for a long time
1:44:47turns out from what I hear he was doing
1:44:50that to troll
1:44:53oh yeah Bonnie Raitt up on the right on
1:44:55doing any and bonnie bramlett yeah but
1:44:58basically he was trolling them because
1:45:00they were they were being all like Oh a
1:45:03certain way
1:45:04yeah he was he was he was an active
1:45:07elvis costello not only loves break all
1:45:09this music but like it's a giant fan of
1:45:11huge amounts anyway but basically he was
1:45:13a total troll toll troll now that's true
1:45:16that's what I've heard
1:45:16yeah I think he got punched in the eye I
1:45:18think it not only do I feel like it's
1:45:20true but absolutely plausible and as
1:45:23usually the kind of thing i'll discuss
1:45:24teller would do as you know I was Elvis
1:45:26Costello's driver for two days that's
1:45:28true you were and elvis costello that is
1:45:30absolutely in keeping with him and it
1:45:34just it just so happened that that kind
1:45:36of that that trolling happened in
1:45:40earshot of a of a reporter that wanted
1:45:42to take him down and what can
1:45:47what can you say I mean yeah it it it
1:45:50negatively affected his career and maybe
1:45:54maybe that taught him a lesson right i
1:45:56mean he he pulled that same stone on
1:45:58Saturday Night Live and they never had a
1:45:59back or you know or or a similar degree
1:46:02of like I'm going to stop this on that
1:46:05we agreed i was going to do and I'm
1:46:06gonna do the song that we agreed i could
1:46:08not do right that I specifically told me
1:46:11not to do
1:46:12yeah right and and you specifically told
1:46:14me not to do it because of bullshit
1:46:16corporate reasons 1234 32 terror and
1:46:21it's like yeah that was cool except the
1:46:23people watching probably didn't realize
1:46:25how cool you were being here and the
1:46:28people who were your kids are gonna love
1:46:31it
1:46:32yeah like the people who are running the
1:46:33show uh it was not cool to them and yet
1:46:37so at elvis costello did a lot of things
1:46:40that in the fullness of time we look
1:46:43back and they seemed kind of legendary
1:46:45like wow he he did that well he you know
1:46:48and you forgive him
1:46:49you forgive him for what he said about
1:46:50Ray Charles because it's a little bit
1:46:52like them
1:46:53it's a little bit of Mussolini's train
1:46:54running on time like it's he was being
1:46:57it he was being ironic
1:47:00just as the italians were being like yes
1:47:02when it and it entered the it entered
1:47:05the lexicon as a thing meant you know
1:47:07it's a thing taken straight when it was
1:47:09meant to be you know taken to mean the
1:47:11opposite but so what do you you know
1:47:15anyway Colin Hay is fantastic singer
1:47:17still today I'm going to be just six
1:47:20titles only six titles
1:47:22ok don't stand so close to me yeah
1:47:24driven to tears proven tutus and then of
1:47:28course you straight into when the world
1:47:30is running down you make the best with
1:47:31what still around
1:47:33number four canary in a coalmine 05
1:47:36voices inside my head 6 bombs away at
1:47:39and what I don't know what that man in a
1:47:42suitcase into da what I what I don't
1:47:45know is that we're talking about albums
1:47:48from an era where we bought albums and
1:47:50listen to them all the way through and
1:47:51you newest knew every song not only knew
1:47:54every song but every transition you
1:47:56would get to the AP if you hear one of
1:47:57those songs on the radio now attending
1:47:59doesn't go into when it was running down
1:48:01that you start seeing in the next tune
1:48:04for stars that's likely we will rock you
1:48:06without playing we are the champions and
1:48:08and I and I wonder if that
1:48:12if that will ever it will ever return to
1:48:15a time when people digested complete
1:48:18works in that same way they'll let the
1:48:21those first four police albums you know
1:48:25all of the Beatles records all of the
1:48:29mean in a way for me all of the early
1:48:33ZZTop records
1:48:35although i know not everybody follows me
1:48:36there well but I know I i take me like
1:48:39you right now you going to call her the
1:48:40Beatles are good
1:48:41let's do a match them up with them with
1:48:43a super shuffle in here bones she came
1:48:45in through the bathroom when you called
1:48:48me a fucking break yeah that's not a
1:48:50song you hear that's a that's a better
1:48:52part that's the part that's like that's
1:48:54like that's like the only reading the
1:48:56nouns
1:48:57yeah that one and you know the the
1:48:59beatles number ones right that was put
1:49:02out as a record or I mean and the open
1:49:04here's the problem
1:49:05the blue album and the red album our
1:49:07albums to me
1:49:09oh god that was that was where it
1:49:10started for me right and so I started
1:49:12with the I want to see the blue album i
1:49:14started with the second one
1:49:15yeah yeah yeah that's that's not able to
1:49:17use your Madonna oh my god i love that
1:49:19album so much so I when I get to the end
1:49:22of a song i'm as likely to think of the
1:49:26next song the blue album as I am to
1:49:28think of the next song on the album that
1:49:30those records that doesn't that mean
1:49:32Young's decade
1:49:33oh yeah that that is that mean like
1:49:35that's one of the ones we like a you
1:49:37know if you only want to have one neil
1:49:38young title in your house that that's
1:49:41arguably i'm done that even the biggest
1:49:43proponent of going on by a best out but
1:49:45that covers so much ground and has so
1:49:47many extremely good songs on it you know
1:49:49what I mean yeah well so like REM is
1:49:52eponymous with my god very early to do a
1:49:55greatest hits record on a band that but
1:49:57you know but it was with a free copy of
1:49:59dead letter office but I'm sorry well
1:50:02I'm sorry not upon us dead letter office
1:50:03had the outtakes plus it came with a
1:50:05copy of chronic town which felt like
1:50:07magic to me pretty smart and the promise
1:50:09was pretty good that was there IRS hits
1:50:11right right and that was IRS trying to
1:50:14do I mean was that contractual
1:50:16obligation record i think but also
1:50:19trying to capitalize on the Warner
1:50:21success we have the fact that like hey
1:50:23you guys this is all good
1:50:26get back here you know and we've got
1:50:28this catalog and please lots of strong
1:50:31record that's so good
1:50:33yeah you know what do you like greatest
1:50:36hits records can also be awful
1:50:39I mean the Eagles greatest hits are kind
1:50:41of the only thing you need to own and
1:50:43even then you
1:50:44well I don't know maybe not maybe not
1:50:48maybe the Eagles are your reverb yeah
1:50:50maybe you're right i mean I'm and I well
1:50:53I don't watch that did you watch that a
1:50:55two part movie on netflix i did i watch
1:50:58it like once here we have really loved
1:51:00it i just for joe walsh if nothing else
1:51:02but like i don't know i get a lot from
1:51:04watching that the when you think about
1:51:07the Eagles when they looked their best
1:51:12oh man it's kind of like the Beatles
1:51:14during sergeant pepper like the Eagles
1:51:17looked so good when they looked at their
1:51:20best and then they looked so bad when
1:51:26they didn't look their best like glenn
1:51:28frey's for I was empirically hot was a
1:51:31really cool good-looking guy when he had
1:51:34a mustache and was wearing likes the
1:51:37aviator glasses and the furry the collar
1:51:39yeah and the faded like very tight
1:51:42bell-bottom denim when they all were
1:51:46wearing that denim like the denim era of
1:51:48the eagles they couldn't have been
1:51:51cooler looking and then almost
1:51:54immediately when glenn frey like got
1:51:57into weight lifting or put gel in his
1:51:59hair whatever whatever it was they all
1:52:03of a sudden looked awful and i don't i
1:52:07don't know how I don't know how that
1:52:10would have how you and I mean I have to
1:52:14say like maybe I fell prey to this
1:52:18myself like every photograph that my
1:52:21band ever took and publicized looked
1:52:25awful because i kept shaving two days
1:52:30before our photoshoot for some reason
1:52:34for some reason I kept feeling like
1:52:37the beard was a thing that I wore all
1:52:40the time as a sort of as a muffler as a
1:52:43scarf and existential muffler
1:52:46yeah but when it came time to like
1:52:48actually represent the band and show up
1:52:51for a photo shoot
1:52:52yeah I'd shave it here your dad's voice
1:52:54in your head like a tie and then i
1:52:56looked like shit and then I mean we grew
1:52:59the beard back and so everywhere i went
1:53:02here i am with my beard and my shaggy
1:53:04hair feeling good and I walk into the
1:53:06club and there'd be an enormous picture
1:53:07of me with my big fleshy face that what
1:53:12it was it wasn't looking like the cousin
1:53:14you're not sure if you want to invite to
1:53:16the wedding
1:53:16yeah I look so terrible and and it was
1:53:18not just that but I had only shape two
1:53:20days before so my face was kind of raw
1:53:22but it just wasn't and so when you think
1:53:24about the Eagles during that period
1:53:26you're like to its don't shave your
1:53:27mustache is you look amazing and they're
1:53:30just not thinking that way right Don
1:53:33Henley in his in his like it literally
1:53:37his henley shirts every I don't know he
1:53:40did that on purpose but all the
1:53:43seventies he was wearing Henley's like a
1:53:45collarless shirts which we call handling
1:53:48I didn't know that
1:53:49and his name is Don Henley and you're
1:53:51just like really there's a guy's a
1:53:53visual pun it's a little bit part me but
1:53:56we should talk about handsome guitar
1:53:59parts i won't talk about david gilmour
1:54:00someday that that guy was super handsome
1:54:02when he was young im so hands and he was
1:54:04really is a good player
1:54:06well he's Pashtu I think all those guys
1:54:08are popular pretty posh who I did go
1:54:11more is my if I were a wizard
1:54:15I would have kind of three choices for
1:54:17what my familiar would be okay and I
1:54:20think to I could have any to write I
1:54:22feel like if I were an idea and I do
1:54:24believe I maybe half wizard but if i
1:54:26were a full-fledged wizard and what I
1:54:30wasn't when I wasn't making half hobbits
1:54:32with the hobbit winches I i would be
1:54:39walking around and it can make a little
1:54:41bit make a little well not Bilbo's they
1:54:43be bill bill rods
1:54:45I will ride the hobbit little bill rod
1:54:50half wizard if Wizards are at our angels
1:54:53of some kind but i would have to
1:54:55familiarize right i would have a raven
1:54:58that was flying ahead and checking for
1:55:01nas goals and just you know he's just
1:55:03flying ahead right he's watching sure
1:55:06sure see you crow her and then he's
1:55:08either coming back to report to me or
1:55:10he's psionically reporting to me he's
1:55:12the three-eyed Raven but he's also a
1:55:14little like Rottweiler were like he
1:55:15knows when to go off and do his own
1:55:17little campaign and then come back
1:55:19yeah he's doing his own business and
1:55:21he's a little bit independent of me
1:55:23right sometimes he's not dependable
1:55:24because he's working his own angle em
1:55:27right but he's mostly allied with me but
1:55:32he's easy easy independent guy and we
1:55:34don't have a formal you know the formal
1:55:36Raven human relationship butBut it's
1:55:40something we're like the out of
1:55:41friendship and mutual admiration and
1:55:44even really a mutual mission
1:55:45yeah you can each other most of the time
1:55:47yeah he keeps close but if they're a
1:55:49bunch of other Ravens it's not like he's
1:55:50not going to work for you
1:55:52exactly he's like a giant eagles like if
1:55:55Gandalf can summon giant eagles to take
1:55:57to rescue Frodo it as the as saw Ron's a
1:56:00mountain of fire collapses
1:56:02ok why couldn't get off have just some
1:56:03of those Eagles to take him there in the
1:56:05first place very obviating the need for
1:56:07the entire quest i guess it's because
1:56:10Iran would have seen the Eagles coming
1:56:13but it also seems like maybe the Eagles
1:56:15could have taken this quite a bit ly
1:56:17content with strip quite aways right if
1:56:20you have connected vehicles
1:56:22maybe I could have taken the taking the
1:56:24party all the way up to God or at least
1:56:28ok so million number one choice number
1:56:30one in this array John considers the
1:56:32Raven the right The Raven is there and
1:56:35he's you know he comes and goes but he's
1:56:36he's be pal okay and yeah you and then a
1:56:40raccoon
1:56:41ok a raccoon who is kind of scampering
1:56:44along i imagine a raccoon kind of like
1:56:47the guardians of the galaxy record
1:56:49although maybe not that contentious who
1:56:51like a raccoon that also can kind of
1:56:54communicate with me and he's the he's a
1:56:56little bit of a trickster
1:56:58you if I'm if I'm having a conversation
1:56:59with somebody on the trail he'll sneak
1:57:01around behind them and that's what he's
1:57:03there for that's his performance
1:57:04characters you don't you don't tell a
1:57:06raccoon not to the camper and and
1:57:09Twitter and ang I've I guess we can see
1:57:11skitters right so he's so there they are
1:57:14you know I'm like arguing with some
1:57:16trolls and the middle part about my
1:57:19backpack and the raccoon is going
1:57:21through their luck it right
1:57:23yeah he's got their luggage he's fucking
1:57:25with them is I'm gonna shoe laces
1:57:27looking looking for middle-earth
1:57:29traveler's checks
1:57:30yeah right he's fucking he's like he
1:57:32squirted some toothpaste on their bag
1:57:34and then i can say all you've got a leak
1:57:36in your bag and then I fucking rip them
1:57:37off
1:57:38it's it's it's going papermoon you hate
1:57:41we recommend have a long gone in
1:57:43electric that's exactly right so the
1:57:45Bible salesman if you think about the
1:57:47combination of a rubber raven and a
1:57:49raccoon has two familiars I'm thinking
1:57:53that's some wizardry right there but i
1:57:55know i had a third familiar it would be
1:57:58David Gilmour and what we like you asked
1:58:09what he do for you
1:58:11I mean it can be handsome think about
1:58:13traveling with David killed he has you
1:58:16know what though like he's he's a ranger
1:58:18right exactly a ranger you're exactly
1:58:21right because he's got he's got charisma
1:58:23he's got wisdom he's got strength and
1:58:26he's got very very high charisma and I
1:58:29think he could probably do a lot of
1:58:30sweet-talking but i bet he is great he
1:58:32has great taste we all know he has great
1:58:33taste is very restrained he's gonna keep
1:58:36you on even keel super-regal now think
1:58:38about your coming into it you're coming
1:58:40into a border town
1:58:41yeah right you get through the gates and
1:58:43you're going to the inn and you walk
1:58:45into the in and everybody in there
1:58:48smoking pipes and they've got their
1:58:49hoods on their cloaks up and the
1:58:52conversation stops when you walk in the
1:58:54door and everybody turns and looks at
1:58:56you and then normally they would go back
1:59:01to their conversations and you would
1:59:02feel like sort of lokale let's saddle up
1:59:05to the bar and see if there's a room at
1:59:06the end but now reimagine that scene
1:59:09with david gilmour
1:59:10war you push him a little bit forward he
1:59:13walks in stands in the doorway the bar
1:59:15everybody turns and listens and stops
1:59:17talking
1:59:17hello and then they continue to stop
1:59:20talking because it's funny david gilmour
1:59:22there and he walks over is like your
1:59:24finest room please and they give you the
1:59:26finest room king anything miles is a
1:59:29little sparkle fucking david gilmour is
1:59:31here right was very very handsome
1:59:34well and when david gilmour walks into a
1:59:35to a club in 1969 on London and
1:59:39everybody goes to the gills here no one
1:59:43says from David kill Moore's here right
1:59:47right
1:59:48he looks he looks like he looks like he
1:59:51could be in the dismemberment plan you
1:59:53know he was less handsome he's so
1:59:54wonderful look at a chi and I mean when
1:59:57David Gilmore says here's how I record
1:59:58my solos
1:59:59I just
1:59:59I just
2:00:00and the amp all the way up the end right
2:00:04you're like I believe you I believe that
2:00:06and I don't think that that is a put-on
2:00:08I don't think that's pretentious at all
2:00:10he turns his amp all the way up and
2:00:11that's how he gets his sound that that's
2:00:14all you need to know he described
2:00:15anymore it would ruin the lesson
2:00:17yeah has everything you need to know now
2:00:19you'll figure it out yeah turn your app
2:00:21all the way up right and then your
2:00:23guitar will respond differently and
2:00:26that's that it's but it's it but the
2:00:28thing is it's not a recipe it's a way of
2:00:30life you can't use a way of life to make
2:00:33toast
2:00:33that's a nice piece for it's a recipe
2:00:35right out that's right and then also
2:00:37happen so I mean it's not a recipe in
2:00:40the sense of going like okay you're
2:00:41gonna have a perfect sourdough bread
2:00:43after you turn up your am no that's not
2:00:45it at all
2:00:45turn up the ramp and double play for 20
2:00:47years ago play well and also be inspired
2:00:50and brilliant and wonderful
2:00:51yeah be really good that's the other
2:00:52thing I don't think that other tip
2:00:54that's the other tip I don't think
2:00:56having David Gilmour as your father
2:00:57would be very great though I think that
2:01:00he is maybe a little bit of a love with
2:01:03holder if you if you give me if you get
2:01:06my drift
2:01:07that still does not count him out for
2:01:09the campaign though you got a ravenous
2:01:11raccoon David cab get a ravenous raccoon
2:01:13david gilmour that you're gonna have a
2:01:15very interesting campaign
2:01:16yeah well I'm the thing is I don't need
2:01:17love from david gilmour in that in that
2:01:19moment because the Ravens not give me
2:01:21any love and the raccoon barely is I'm
2:01:24and frankly I'm getting my love from two
2:01:27things Hobbit girl and a young Linda
2:01:31Ronstadt oh man is she wearing skates
2:01:34well was she on the campaign and skates
2:01:38oh my god yeah all right right even the
2:01:40nozzle would turn away she's wearing
2:01:42giant hoop earrings and roller skates
2:01:45who had a raccoon and a raven David job
2:01:50market later on stand around it's giving
2:01:53me blue bayou just think about it I mean
2:01:55I mean shit what why is this not my life
2:02:01now this should be a module this should
2:02:04be I mean talk about like I didn't roll
2:02:07for this character i chose this
2:02:09character
2:02:10haha oh I'm so sad
2:02:16fire t-shirts oh shit yeah then we can
2:02:19talk about it too much for two hours in